**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 20 02:59:56 2008 Jul 20 03:06:15 wtf why is the sqlite3 source only building the libs (libsqlite3-0 and libsqlite3-dev) and not sqlite3 itself?! >_> Jul 20 03:11:26 *sigh* dependency hell every time i try to build something >_> Jul 20 03:11:28 whatev Jul 20 03:11:33 totally worth it Jul 20 03:16:29 what package is aclocal part of? Jul 20 03:16:48 dpkg -S is failing inside scratchbox <_< Jul 20 03:17:18 is it automake? Jul 20 03:23:04 lol Jul 20 03:28:06 Is this a serious bug report? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3471 Jul 20 03:28:36 He's saying, "Move the directory that contains the plugins and the plugins will no longer be installed, this is a bug" Jul 20 03:39:24 lol Jul 20 03:43:06 He's got several bad bugs lately. Jul 20 03:52:30 hrm Jul 20 03:52:59 so i create a table with 3 fields in SQLite Jul 20 03:53:03 and try to import this file Jul 20 03:53:11 sqlite> .import items.csv items Jul 20 03:53:11 items.csv line 23: expected 3 columns of data but found 4 Jul 20 03:53:24 so i drop the table and recreate it with 4 fields Jul 20 03:53:28 and get this: Jul 20 03:53:37 sqlite> .import items.csv items Jul 20 03:53:37 items.csv line 23: expected 4 columns of data but found 3 Jul 20 03:53:39 WTF Jul 20 03:53:59 the CSV has three columns Jul 20 03:59:20 fsck this is stupid Jul 20 03:59:31 thoroughly failing to import a CSV to an SQLite db Jul 20 04:03:49 bbl Jul 20 04:09:23 looking for help on building mapper under scratchbox Jul 20 04:09:33 getting "Your intltool is too old.." Jul 20 04:09:34 ? Jul 20 04:25:54 hey gang Jul 20 04:26:21 played about with the tablet all day, thought i figured it 'all' out Jul 20 04:26:43 the light at the end of the tunnel was definately a train Jul 20 04:28:06 finallt rebooted after i'd thought i'd straightened out my repos and ended up with a white screen after the hand grab Jul 20 04:29:03 just thought i'd check here before reflashing, anyone? Jul 20 04:30:03 aiiight, reflash it is then Jul 20 04:51:55 ol_schoola, "straightened out my repos". . . . Jul 20 04:52:04 What's to straighten out? :\ Jul 20 04:52:11 You enable maemo Extras. Jul 20 04:52:13 Done. Jul 20 04:57:53 ahh, sorry. just saw your msg. yeah, i enables mExtras, and followed a whole lot of other threads and whatnot in the forums Jul 20 04:58:23 i've been away from the IT for a few months. the n95 will do that to ya Jul 20 04:59:40 at one point or another, this thing got all fouled up. but i made a tremendous amount of progress before it bellied up Jul 20 05:01:58 to be hon est, it was running a factory 2007 os, upgraded by sheer force, intimidation and eventual outright torture to 2008, miraculously bumped to -34 and finally crapped out. and it survived a complete submersion in a hot tub, to boot Jul 20 05:05:32 wo Jul 20 05:05:34 :P Jul 20 05:05:43 that's nice to see so many people here :P Jul 20 05:08:54 GeneralAntilles: you know anyhtingh about a maemo/extras repo with the diablo/tools directive? Jul 20 05:09:07 afk for a min.... Jul 20 05:29:39 ´morning! Jul 20 05:30:01 *yawn*, good morning Jul 20 05:30:12 hey qwerty12! :) Jul 20 05:30:41 hey :) Jul 20 05:30:41 qwerty12: are you just got up? Jul 20 05:30:49 yeah Jul 20 05:30:53 how can i make my keyboard more sensitive? Jul 20 05:31:15 to act like the instinct Jul 20 06:13:10 Anyone willing to help a bash noob out? Jul 20 06:13:20 depends on the question :P Jul 20 06:14:21 It's an easy one :) (well, for everyone else :D), running cat /proc/led on my router returns: http://pastebin.com/m11631147 . How do I get echo to send the CR's and the rest of the text? Jul 20 06:15:06 What's to straighten out? :\ Jul 20 06:15:06 You enable maemo Extras. Jul 20 06:15:06 [Done. Jul 20 06:15:18 * ol_schoola ducks for cover Jul 20 06:15:41 qwerty12: "send the CR's and the rest of the text"? Jul 20 06:16:15 GA, I'll pick a beef with ya tomorra. 'Til then, good day, sir. Jul 20 06:16:40 Well, I'm not a good explainer >.<, but there are new lines, would it possible for me to echo it all in one line. :/ Jul 20 06:16:54 qwerty12: FOO=`cat /proc/led` ? Jul 20 06:16:57 echo $FOO Jul 20 06:17:06 oh, you want the \n's removed? Jul 20 06:17:09 Ahh, great, thanks Jul 20 06:17:49 FOO=`cat /proc/led | sed "s/\n//g"` prolly then, or maybe / /g if you want a space instead of a newline :P Jul 20 06:18:07 lol, 'pick a beef' . . . Jul 20 06:18:49 mm. it's morning and i already feel like having beef Jul 20 06:19:19 I'm always ready for beef. Jul 20 06:19:44 In London, having beef is fun to watch Jul 20 06:24:32 ~lart sed Jul 20 06:24:33 * infobot sends a legion of lawyers after sed's head Jul 20 06:28:39 Seems like my router is fussy over line breaks :/ Jul 20 06:28:49 All I want to do is disable the leds on it >.< Jul 20 07:02:17 hai Jul 20 07:13:21 * timelyx sighs Jul 20 07:13:30 X-Fade, GeneralAntilles, andre___: ping Jul 20 07:18:33 timelyx, pong. Jul 20 07:21:32 so, i'm thinking of just migrating the garage products to bugzilla Jul 20 07:21:37 even if i do it manually Jul 20 07:21:51 i'm sick of people filing browser-extras bugs in bugzilla:browser Jul 20 07:22:00 Ha Jul 20 07:22:34 i could also just enable browser-extras, but that'd be a /wee/ bit of an abuse :) Jul 20 07:22:47 Well, uh, I, personally, don't have a problem with it. Jul 20 07:23:14 browser-extras would make a good pilot. Jul 20 07:24:07 are you ok w/ everyone seeing the enter_bug page as is, or should we at least blog about it? Jul 20 07:24:41 The new bug templates are the only thing that worries me. Jul 20 07:25:05 * timelyx nods Jul 20 07:25:18 I mean, there's nothing terribly wrong with them, but people are easily confused. Jul 20 07:25:19 * timelyx sighs Jul 20 07:25:34 and that's a very visible and significant change. Jul 20 07:25:37 * timelyx sighs Jul 20 07:25:46 qgil attacked my mailbox by triaging bugs.maemo Jul 20 07:26:05 this n810 doesnt work so hot Jul 20 07:26:10 Hehe Jul 20 07:26:22 the gps aint all that i should say Jul 20 07:26:44 user_, buy a heating element and stick it in the battery bay. Jul 20 07:27:12 user__: did you forget to configure agps w. diablo? Jul 20 07:27:29 how long does it take to find a location Jul 20 07:27:36 configure Jul 20 07:27:38 ? Jul 20 07:27:48 i installed diablo Jul 20 07:27:56 but thats about it Jul 20 07:28:16 using maemo mapper Jul 20 07:28:31 but the fix never works Jul 20 07:28:34 I think we'd be pretty much good to go if that template were fixed. Jul 20 07:28:55 GAN800: check out the url from bug 2243 Jul 20 07:29:30 GAN800: i think the best i can offer is to change the description for Maemo Software Jul 20 07:29:33 i thought the gps was suppsosed Jul 20 07:29:41 "You probably want to file bugs here" Jul 20 07:29:46 to work with the n180 Jul 20 07:30:00 whats up w that? Jul 20 07:30:10 what's an n180? Jul 20 07:30:15 errrr Jul 20 07:30:16 is it like an n360? Jul 20 07:30:18 timelyx, shouldn't you have local access or something to be able to fix stuff like that? Jul 20 07:30:22 n810 Jul 20 07:30:28 myyy misssstake Jul 20 07:30:38 GAN800: well, um, i don't think i do :) Jul 20 07:30:42 but ya the gps isnt so hot Jul 20 07:30:57 Linux maemo-midgard 2.6.16-xenU20060830 #1 SMP Wed Aug 30 11:35:40 EEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Jul 20 07:31:02 is that box bugs.maemo.org ? Jul 20 07:31:04 Should I file an enhancement request? :D Jul 20 07:31:10 how do i see if the diablo installed properly Jul 20 07:31:10 Don't know. Jul 20 07:31:19 Doubt it, though. Jul 20 07:31:26 er diablo update that is Jul 20 07:31:40 Install agps-ui in Application manager. Jul 20 07:31:47 i just th Jul 20 07:31:49 right Jul 20 07:31:53 .... Jul 20 07:32:01 actually, i think it is Jul 20 07:32:37 anyway, i have an account Jul 20 07:33:46 hrm,... so... i'm actually in sudo'rs afaiu Jul 20 07:33:51 but i don't know my password Jul 20 07:35:03 So, I'm thinking something along the lines of the mockup I put on the wiki, but with h1/h2s with a description for Maemo Software, Nokia, Website with their products listed underneath and Garage at the bottom like it is in the mockup. Jul 20 07:35:28 assuming that's workable. Jul 20 07:36:10 agps-ui eh? Jul 20 07:36:20 That's the one. Jul 20 07:36:23 theoretically workable Jul 20 07:36:27 installing now Jul 20 07:36:43 but w/o www-data access to the box, i definitely can't do it :) Jul 20 07:36:44 maemo mapper doesnt work so well Jul 20 07:37:02 www-data is limited to ferenc Jul 20 07:37:11 I guess the other part of my worry with launching too early is having more than one major interface change in bugzilla. Jul 20 07:37:36 which is the other? Jul 20 07:37:45 did i forget to blog some other announcement? Jul 20 07:37:48 (probably/quite likely) Jul 20 07:37:53 hrmrm Jul 20 07:38:04 So, launching now with the current templates and changing them again in a week or two when we get improved ones in place would be confusing and bad. Jul 20 07:39:15 ah Jul 20 07:39:35 timelyx, re: 2243, no ugly error anymore, but it seems to just be an empty page. :/ Jul 20 07:40:10 ~lart MicroB's attention whoring Jul 20 07:40:11 * infobot runs at MicroB's attention whoring with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut Jul 20 07:42:11 Anyway, guenther's back in-channel, I told him we need to have a bugzilla meeting. Jul 20 07:42:41 I was thinking after the next sprint (22nd) might be good if it doesn't run as long as the last time. Jul 20 07:44:10 um... 22nd's the latest possible :) Jul 20 07:44:19 i'm heading for the new world at the end of this week :) Jul 20 07:44:25 i'll be there for a while Jul 20 07:45:41 I'll get with him today about it. Jul 20 07:46:23 GAN800: anything reported with 0.14-3 so far? all looking good? Jul 20 07:46:51 No issues, rm_you. Jul 20 07:46:55 cool Jul 20 07:46:57 sweet Jul 20 07:47:03 anyway, if you want to suggest a bunch of other guys to convert for a demo, i could do that Jul 20 07:47:16 How I can tell from a postinst script if the package is being installed for the first time, or upgraded? Jul 20 07:47:35 zap: iirc there's an argument Jul 20 07:47:47 timelyx, advanced-backlight will volunteer. Jul 20 07:48:18 YES! we volunteer! Jul 20 07:48:21 what is it? :P Jul 20 07:48:35 garage bugzilla components? :P Jul 20 07:48:39 Garage tracking on bugzilla. Jul 20 07:48:53 ok Jul 20 07:49:42 YES! we volunteer! Jul 20 07:49:44 :P Jul 20 07:50:02 I bet Jaffa'd be up for it with mediautils and mud-builder. Jul 20 07:50:17 though we're running out of bugs :P Jul 20 07:50:21 * rm_you knocks on wood Jul 20 07:50:23 Hehe Jul 20 07:50:38 Just wait until we had the light sensor. ;) Jul 20 07:50:46 s/had/add/ Jul 20 07:50:47 GAN800 meant: Just wait until we add the light sensor. ;) Jul 20 07:52:09 hrm, http://advanced-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 20 07:52:12 not such a great page Jul 20 07:52:21 do you have something against that page? Jul 20 07:52:51 http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 20 07:53:29 ok, browser-extras is called that, do you want to be Advanced Backlight or advanced-backlight ? Jul 20 07:53:42 i'd rather the former (and someday i'll probably force Browser Extras to get a rename) Jul 20 07:54:39 That reminds me, do we want to use the short 'unix' names (adv-backlight, browser-extras) for the products or the full names (Advanced Backlight, Browser Extras)? Jul 20 07:54:46 Er, stuck in fkb. Jul 20 07:55:01 Well, I'd prefer consistent. Jul 20 07:55:03 i'm all in favor of full Jul 20 07:55:12 and i'll rename Browser Extras now ... Jul 20 07:55:13 So I guess that'd be adv-backlight. Jul 20 07:55:21 lol Jul 20 07:55:32 Sounds good, full is much less confusing. Jul 20 07:55:50 yeah Jul 20 07:55:54 i wanted a short name >_> Jul 20 07:56:06 i wonder if i can / should get X-Fade to rename my garage project >_> Jul 20 07:56:33 Hehe Jul 20 07:58:10 btw, i think my notes need an update Jul 20 07:58:17 because i had the votes fields wrong Jul 20 07:58:35 ok, for histerical reasons, hrm Jul 20 07:58:47 should groups be hyphenated or user friendly? Jul 20 07:59:31 I'm generally in favor of user friendly. Jul 20 08:02:53 GAN800: do you remember if i disabled mail for the browser-extras qa contacts? Jul 20 08:03:34 Erg, dunno. Jul 20 08:03:40 i'd have told you Jul 20 08:03:44 * GAN800 pulls out a laptop. Jul 20 08:04:07 Gotta ssh into my box, one sec. Jul 20 08:06:29 rm_you: bugzilla id? Jul 20 08:07:16 ? Jul 20 08:07:18 ask GA Jul 20 08:07:33 What email do you use for bugzilla? Jul 20 08:07:38 try loading https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi Jul 20 08:07:57 if things look normal, then good, and we can fix that when someone answers the question Jul 20 08:08:35 * timelyx considers creating a preview account Jul 20 08:10:19 GAN800: ok, a-b should appear in enter bug Jul 20 08:12:46 qwerty12: do you own any garage projects? Jul 20 08:12:58 i'm starting to offer bugzilla product support for garage owners :) Jul 20 08:13:14 timelyx: I'm registered in one, but I don't own any :) Jul 20 08:15:08 rm_you: ok, reload enter_bug Jul 20 08:15:12 it would figure . . . the box/internet/power is down, can't get to the logs where you've told me. Jul 20 08:15:27 k.... Jul 20 08:16:13 timelyx, Community Kernels might be another good one. Jul 20 08:16:24 k Jul 20 08:16:34 GAN800: i presume you can see a-b? Jul 20 08:17:23 yes. Jul 20 08:17:29 look ok? Jul 20 08:18:10 Asside from a lame description, it looks great. ;) Jul 20 08:18:35 yeah um "i'm accepting proposals" Jul 20 08:18:45 you get what you pay for :) Jul 20 08:19:08 where is the GBA Emulator ? Jul 20 08:19:34 * timelyx kicks the indt team Jul 20 08:19:42 no obvious presence in bugs.maemo Jul 20 08:19:47 I assume product owners will be able to set their own descriptions? Jul 20 08:19:56 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=Advanced+Backlight&content= Jul 20 08:20:08 I was gonna say Canola, but that's non-free. Jul 20 08:20:19 at the present time they have to ask someone to fix it Jul 20 08:20:21 will I be able to add things like target milestones, components, versions? Jul 20 08:20:23 by filing a bug against me :) Jul 20 08:20:27 yes Jul 20 08:20:29 and they don't seem super gung-ho about maemo.org in general. Jul 20 08:20:46 rm_you: a roadmap url is appreciated Jul 20 08:20:57 i'll import all versions+milestones from that for you for free :) Jul 20 08:21:25 rm_you: fwiw, browser extras has 3 components (the third is "suggestions" because they let people ask them to add other packages) Jul 20 08:21:36 the 2 you have are essentially "boilerplate" Jul 20 08:21:41 yeah Jul 20 08:21:54 timelyx: don't think we have a roadmap ;P lol Jul 20 08:22:03 yeah well... make one :) Jul 20 08:22:11 heh k, will be a good exercise Jul 20 08:22:11 just so long as it lists your previous releases Jul 20 08:22:25 ideally it should predict the one next release Jul 20 08:22:36 first time running an open source project ( ... or any real project) Jul 20 08:22:46 GAN800: does CK have a web site? Jul 20 08:23:17 * timelyx needs to figure out if the mxr.maemo.org/garage sync finished Jul 20 08:23:44 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/kernels/ Jul 20 08:23:52 i.e. "no" :) Jul 20 08:24:12 and http://www.fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Jul 20 08:24:32 But, yeah, I guess no Garage page yet. Jul 20 08:24:50 * GAN800 might volunteer for that. Jul 20 08:25:29 oh no Jul 20 08:25:30 * timelyx cries Jul 20 08:25:46 i think i messed up the a-b product Jul 20 08:25:50 i'm probably going to destroy it now :) Jul 20 08:26:03 ONO! Jul 20 08:26:16 you haven't put anything into it yet, right? Jul 20 08:26:22 just one bug :P Jul 20 08:26:24 but it is fine Jul 20 08:26:29 it was a test :P Jul 20 08:26:33 mostly Jul 20 08:26:37 gah Jul 20 08:26:59 well, it was a real bug :P but i can add it again Jul 20 08:27:29 no..i wouldn't do that Jul 20 08:29:32 its fine Jul 20 08:29:57 nah, personal policy, no deleting bugs Jul 20 08:30:07 i'll just have to figure out what i did(n't) do Jul 20 08:30:11 lol Jul 20 08:30:12 maemo-devel repository is update once in 24 hours? Jul 20 08:35:20 GAN800: ck should exist Jul 20 08:36:20 sometimes i wonder about debian dependancies.. it's installing "A description of Finnish morphology written in Malaga" Jul 20 08:37:29 It does. Jul 20 08:37:29 timelyx: yep, great, it's there, thanks :0 Jul 20 08:37:32 *:) Jul 20 08:38:14 qwerty12: err, which is there? Jul 20 08:38:21 community kernels Jul 20 08:38:23 Stskeeps: :) Jul 20 08:38:32 um... i don't think i added you to ck. did GAN800? Jul 20 08:38:38 Stskeeps: i think i had it installed yesterday or something too Jul 20 08:38:47 should uninstall Jul 20 08:38:47 I did nothing. Jul 20 08:38:54 um, that's *bad* Jul 20 08:38:55 "Finish morphology" , Jul 20 08:38:56 ? Jul 20 08:38:57 Now I need lardman to come on, dsp-sbc discriminates against East London grime music :P Jul 20 08:39:08 Because Fins have a different morphology than us humans? Jul 20 08:39:16 qwerty12: you can see it in enter_bug ? Jul 20 08:39:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphology_(linguistics) :P Jul 20 08:40:22 timelyx: no, I can only see it in search Jul 20 08:40:28 GAN800: i believe i gave you grant users for ck Jul 20 08:40:31 qwerty12: ah Jul 20 08:40:40 GAN800: feel free to give qwerty12 membership :) Jul 20 08:41:12 crashanddie: fins have a weird language ;) Jul 20 08:41:25 rm_you, qwerty12, ... the products won't be public until someone fixes the page template Jul 20 08:41:35 or until we decide we have enough content and use that it's too late to wait for it Jul 20 08:41:45 until then, people will need a special bit to file bugs against you guys Jul 20 08:41:59 in the interim, if you own a product, please visit edit user prefs, go to mail prefs Jul 20 08:42:13 and add your general@ and www@ addresses to the watch field at the bottom Jul 20 08:42:22 this will let you get mail for your components Jul 20 08:43:52 qwerty12, you should be a Community Kernel group member, now. Jul 20 08:44:11 Thanks Jul 20 08:44:18 Finnish language can be a bit complicated. here are all the word-form of noun kauppa (shop) http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~fkarlsso/genkau2.html Jul 20 08:45:04 oilinki: i bit complicated? Jul 20 08:45:14 * timelyx raises oilinki a few bits Jul 20 08:45:29 The swear words in Finnish any good? Jul 20 08:45:35 no Jul 20 08:45:39 damn Jul 20 08:45:44 but the finns are proud of them anyway Jul 20 08:45:56 qwerty12: did you setup watching? Jul 20 08:46:02 timelyx: not yeat Jul 20 08:46:08 s/yeat/yet/ Jul 20 08:46:09 qwerty12 meant: timelyx: not yet Jul 20 08:46:39 (I'm not an admin of Community Kernels, just a project member if that makes a difference) Jul 20 08:47:13 qwerty12: not really, *someone* needs to make sure that new bugs get triaged Jul 20 08:47:22 if you don't want to be that person, find someone else :) Jul 20 08:47:29 qwerty12: Hattuvatti and Kaalisoppa are to common swear words Jul 20 08:47:40 s/to/two/ Jul 20 08:47:42 timelyx meant: if you don't want two be that person, find someone else :) Jul 20 08:47:50 * timelyx kicks infobot Jul 20 08:47:57 timelyx: you got it right first time :P Jul 20 08:47:57 oilinki =~ s/to/two/ Jul 20 08:48:16 dumb bot Jul 20 08:48:18 timelyx: ping jott/lardman/trickie :P Jul 20 08:49:18 qwerty12: um... i'm initial setup and changes. once something's created, you guys should finish up the setup w/o me :) Jul 20 08:49:33 GAN800 can give membership to those people Jul 20 08:50:51 Anybody knows if it's possible to refresh the "Packages" file in maemo-extras more often than once per day? Jul 20 08:51:36 the metafiles were updated at 01:01 and my package got into extras-devel at 01:21 so I must wait 24h to be able to install it... Jul 20 08:52:43 ok, any other projects to import? Jul 20 08:52:50 * GAN800 wishes editusers would search real name. Jul 20 08:52:53 otherwise, i go back to learning python Jul 20 08:53:32 GAN800: open a random bug, in the cc field, enter: @{first}{last}{nick}{domain} Jul 20 08:53:32 timelyx, the others are missing maintainers for the next month or three. Jul 20 08:53:33 then hit enter Jul 20 08:53:53 summer vacation? Jul 20 08:54:17 That and some non-Finnish vacations, too. Jul 20 08:54:29 gnuite is roadtripping. Jul 20 08:55:48 * zap sighs and reanimates his private repository Jul 20 08:58:04 zap, that sounds wrong. Probably has something to do with the non-updating that was, evidently, 'fixed' a few days ago. Jul 20 08:58:53 do we have maemo-mapper developers here? Jul 20 08:59:00 It took me about 1 and 1/2 hours for rootsh to be uploaded and Packages to be updated. Not bad imho. Jul 20 08:59:29 oilinki, no. Jul 20 08:59:46 GAN800: ok. thanks. Jul 20 09:04:04 Wee.. That finish language link is crazy ;) Jul 20 09:05:46 Blafasel =~ s/finish/finnish/ Jul 20 09:06:12 s/finnish/Finnish/ Jul 20 09:06:18 that nokia has a nice finnish Jul 20 09:06:24 * aquatix runs Jul 20 09:06:27 eton_: from Thailand? Jul 20 09:06:37 * qwerty12 finnish's off aquatix Jul 20 09:06:44 :) Jul 20 09:06:57 :P Jul 20 09:07:17 Anyway, the only Finnish things I need to know are Sauna and Nokia :P Jul 20 09:07:40 qwerty12: and.. the most important. Santa Claus :) Jul 20 09:08:08 Ooh, yes, Lapland looks nice Jul 20 09:08:11 Na.. The girls are nice as well. I derive that from the sample set I know (one). ;) Jul 20 09:08:50 ghehe Jul 20 09:09:02 sounds like a great sample Jul 20 09:09:25 That sentence sounded totally different Jul 20 09:09:54 * aquatix likely doesn't want to know Jul 20 09:10:10 You probably don't ;/ Jul 20 09:15:16 So, will anyone put pipeline's transmission in extras? Jul 20 09:16:44 I'd hope pipeline. Jul 20 09:17:00 But he seems to be idiotically anti-maemo.org Jul 20 09:17:21 * GAN800 lost a lot of respect for him during the itTSS nonsense. Jul 20 09:18:13 It doesn't seem that to me, I just don't know if he knows how to package properly. Like in his packages, his dependencies are always libc6, when there should be more. Of course, he may be doing on device compilication (spelling?). Jul 20 09:18:48 *compilation Jul 20 09:18:50 compilation. Jul 20 09:19:03 Ta Jul 20 09:19:49 Menu bar could do with hildonising. Maybe this is an good opportunity for me to learn... Jul 20 09:20:09 Gogogo! Jul 20 09:27:04 can i change screen size for gba games on n800? Jul 20 09:29:37 GAN800: a strange amount of people seem to be anti maemo-org <_< Jul 20 09:30:01 I'm against the speed of maemo.org Jul 20 09:31:58 rm_you, yeah, I don't get it. Jul 20 09:33:01 sometimes i think gentoo is popular because apt-get install just isn't very bloody verbose, compared to a compilation process Jul 20 09:33:45 and it's just bloody boring to watch apt-get install :) Jul 20 09:34:16 true Jul 20 09:34:30 with gentoo you're like, OH there goes part of KDE!!! I wonder if it is going to break Jul 20 09:34:44 there's always a level of suspense cause it might just FAIL in the middle Jul 20 09:34:48 Think it is time to get laid? Jul 20 09:34:50 * qwerty12 runs like shit Jul 20 09:35:33 It's funny because qwerty's 15. :p Jul 20 09:35:44 :P Jul 20 09:36:00 i thought he was 12 :P Jul 20 09:36:08 lol Jul 20 09:38:01 :P Jul 20 09:43:02 * aquatix feels old Jul 20 09:48:12 some very interesting NIT Debian screenshot.. http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/scrF1.jpg http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/scrF2.jpg http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/scrF3.jpg Jul 20 09:48:47 Is that the maemo version of flash? Jul 20 09:48:51 yup Jul 20 09:49:06 no gnash Jul 20 09:49:12 Work any better then in microb? :) Jul 20 09:49:37 didn't test it extensively, but it worked which is quite an effort :P Jul 20 09:50:00 was quite easy porting actually Jul 20 09:51:00 adobe recently released flash 10 beta, it includes support for v4l2 video camaras Jul 20 09:51:44 How easy is it to use on an N800? I remember switching to the chroot stuff because I found xfce awkward and gksu wanted me to enter a password which I could not as the gksu window took priority... Jul 20 09:53:01 qwerty12: as in NIT-debian or the flash thing? Jul 20 09:53:12 NIT-Debian Jul 20 09:54:34 qwerty12: well we're moving close to an actual release - it'll be a tar.gz with a installer that debootstraps the whole system and adds tablet specific things - and the end user environment is a deb too so if you get tired of it, you can edit it or remove it Jul 20 09:55:41 qwerty12: my goal is a debian that's more or as usual as maemo :P Jul 20 09:55:43 useful Jul 20 09:56:39 Great :) Jul 20 09:57:22 the current environment is a bastard child of matchbox and xfce4 Jul 20 09:57:22 :P Jul 20 09:57:31 Stskeeps: looks interesting! Jul 20 09:59:49 Stskeeps: does your debian work on the 770? itt says to nudge you on here about it Jul 20 10:00:51 Atarii: well i haven't tried it out, as i don't have a 770 :) Jul 20 10:01:02 Atarii: people are more than welcome to download the SVN and try it out and see what happens Jul 20 10:01:29 deak Jul 20 10:01:30 deal* Jul 20 10:01:33 * GAN800 doesn't really want to shoot down somebody willing to contrinute articles to the wiki, but that new /usr on Ext2 article is pretty bad. . . . Jul 20 10:02:58 Ouch. I much prefer the existing article. (sorry) Jul 20 10:03:31 Atarii: it requires fanoush's bootmenu atleast, and may need some things from chinook, but i guess we'll find out when it errors :P Jul 20 10:05:35 I need to install the bootmenu again, rm_you killed my setup recently lol Jul 20 10:05:42 lol I did? :P Jul 20 10:05:45 u oh Jul 20 10:05:47 * Atarii runs Jul 20 10:06:38 testing adv-backlight killed my mmc install :p Jul 20 10:06:51 Should have kept a backup :P Jul 20 10:07:19 there was nothin on there anyways Jul 20 10:07:38 it was half dead from me trying to compile drivers on it Jul 20 10:10:05 Atarii: That is what scratchbox is for :P Jul 20 10:10:06 bbl Jul 20 10:15:41 * GAN800 sighs. Jul 20 10:16:40 if you would be embarrassed handing it to your boss, then the grammar and capitalization aren't up to snuff. Jul 20 10:18:39 The article has stuff like 'power consumption [...] goes way up [...] it will not be able to work once the charge is too low' and he wonders why I want it gone. . . . Jul 20 10:19:22 https://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition Jul 20 10:24:25 GAN800 is that guy not natively english? Jul 20 10:24:35 "so this setup DOES shorten your autonomy... I did consider stepping back" Jul 20 10:26:47 Atarii, doubt it. Jul 20 10:27:14 it's a really bad way to extend the rootfs that I wouldn't recommend to anybody Jul 20 10:27:27 Which immediately makes me want to delete it. Jul 20 10:28:02 i agree it sounds like it is just going to cause problems Jul 20 10:28:19 and the fact that he can't find the shift key just exacerbates that Jul 20 10:28:47 GAN800, I have a package for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3470 if you want it Jul 20 10:30:00 Even if it had a red

DO NOT USE THIS METHOD, IT WILL KILL YOUR MOTHER, USE [[Booting from a flash card]] INSTEAD!!!!

I still wouldn't feel good about it. Jul 20 10:30:45 It is open source, isn't it? Jul 20 10:31:19 Nah, not too concerned about it personally, just something I'd like to see implemented in the future. Jul 20 10:31:29 Badass patch, though. :D Jul 20 10:31:40 yes it's opensource Jul 20 10:31:51 my first C patch ;) Jul 20 10:35:32 andre___, X-Fade, timelyx, Jaffa, milhouse, anybody else interested https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:100Days/Sprint3 Jul 20 10:39:37 https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Garage_bug_tracking_in_Bugzilla Jul 20 10:39:40 can you fix that? Jul 20 10:39:48 the link for "bug #630" is bad Jul 20 10:40:00 the syntax is show_bug.cgi?id=XX#cYY not XXc#YY Jul 20 10:44:51 Fixed Jul 20 10:49:42 you know you're going to hell when you do a libfakehildon.so to trick something into believing it has a tiny bit of hildon.. Jul 20 10:50:45 .. especially when it works Jul 20 10:53:19 * lcuk_zzz falls out of bed with a thump Jul 20 10:54:14 rm_you, did you get sqlite compiling? Jul 20 11:08:00 qwerty12, why is the powervr not used? Jul 20 11:08:36 lcuk: Well, it's not enabled is it :/ Jul 20 11:08:57 cant you compile up a patch or somethin? Jul 20 11:08:58 Wrong words, maybe Jul 20 11:09:02 i know :D Jul 20 11:09:14 Hah, me? :P Jul 20 11:09:31 pH5 wrote a patch that can power up the chip but that is it. Jul 20 11:09:35 you seem to manage to find everything else Jul 20 11:10:20 Gawd Mutiny32 is such an idiot Jul 20 11:10:21 yer i saw that once on my travels Jul 20 11:11:12 GAN800, You removed easyroot from https://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access however there is a link on the R&D section that points to it Jul 20 11:11:13 "I think I'm hip and rebellious because I don't let 'bullshit' slide, but I'm really just an asshole' Jul 20 11:11:30 ga: Did HE say it? Jul 20 11:12:02 Sarcasm quote Jul 20 11:12:07 bef Jul 20 11:12:08 ah Jul 20 11:12:17 bef0rd, it is a wiki. ;) Jul 20 11:12:28 then he is not anything unusual Jul 20 11:13:15 lcu,qwerty: btw any luck using omap3 datasheets to access omap2 hw? Jul 20 11:13:21 GAN800, orly? :P I'm going to remove 'Use easyroot instead.' then. Jul 20 11:13:25 bef0rd, fixed. Jul 20 11:13:32 heh ok Jul 20 11:13:39 GAN800, after seeing what he posted i tend to agree Jul 20 11:13:48 RST38h: I'm not working on this. I wouldn't know where to start :) Jul 20 11:13:57 oh, ok Jul 20 11:14:49 I know I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but with the LCD Controller being so shit, is it worth having PowerVR? Jul 20 11:15:06 qwerty12, is that you asking Jul 20 11:15:11 or a post from the forum Jul 20 11:15:16 qwerty12, anything is worth having over nothing. Jul 20 11:15:18 qwerty: maybe not, difficult to say Jul 20 11:15:21 No, it's me asking :) Jul 20 11:15:56 We've got the hardware, might as well be able to play with if, even if the results turn out to be largely useless. Jul 20 11:16:00 ok, then ill answer properly: i can see a real use for it. i really do think we can get a VERY fast and stable 640*480 gaming interface out of the powervr Jul 20 11:16:13 I would start by researching whether internal omap buffer can be displayed Jul 20 11:16:36 I just can't decide what Nokia were thinking with the lcd controller. It's connected using an Low Speed serial connection, if that was me, I know I'd want an high speed connection... Jul 20 11:16:53 at the moment the LCD framebuffer is in main memory. ANY hardware can fill that memory and get it rendered onto screen. currently the only hardware filling that memory is the CPU. i want to use the powervr and/or the IVA to fill it Jul 20 11:17:03 they were catching flaming monkeys flying out of their ass Jul 20 11:17:29 the LCD controller principle comes from the older OMAP1 chip used in the 770. it does not have any kind of framebuffer internal and NEEDs the external lcd chip Jul 20 11:18:29 when the 800 came out engineers went the simple way and carried on with the framebuffer because the internal one in the powervr was more difficult to setup and could not natively support 800*480 (the framebuffer inside the omap is confirmed as VGA) Jul 20 11:18:51 inside the omap2420 was ^ Jul 20 11:19:19 lcuk, I really object to people who want to abuse Nokia engineers over Nokia management decisions. Jul 20 11:19:45 i agree GAN, im not against the design they have used - i just want documentation and drivers so i can see what we can come up with Jul 20 11:19:46 We want to welcome engineers into the community, not drive them away. Jul 20 11:19:56 100% Jul 20 11:20:11 @Mutiny32's stupidity. Jul 20 11:20:40 I like his cause but I don't like the way he is doing it. Jul 20 11:21:38 Evince sucks, so badly. Must get Linux Adobe Acrobat Reader... Jul 20 11:21:42 qwerty12, best (free) Windows sftp client? Jul 20 11:21:52 Making full use of the hardware inside our machines is paramount to me. i hate seeing things go to waste. We *NEED* the help of those engineers hes threatening to get us documentation. Jul 20 11:21:56 winscp Jul 20 11:22:19 Someone looking for more open specifications, GAN800 ? Maybe you would recommend the Freerunner Jul 20 11:22:49 m-c, no, just somebody being an idiot. Jul 20 11:23:01 Oh, sorry, I came in late to the conversation. :-) Jul 20 11:23:22 and I wont be recommending the Freerunner to anybody until it can idle for more than half a day. ;) Jul 20 11:23:41 Thanks, qwerty12. Jul 20 11:23:47 Np Jul 20 11:23:57 At this moment in time, Freerunner features don't appeal to me. Get me an S60 phone any day. Jul 20 11:24:37 gan800: yeah, winscp Jul 20 11:24:47 omg facepalm Jul 20 11:24:54 "Roma wasn't built in a day" Jul 20 11:25:06 Very happy with the NIT here. Although I think one my units has crummy battery. Need to get it replaced. I bought the NIT as a laptop replacement, and not only has it excelled in that task but it is becoming a cell phone and desktop computer replacement, too. Jul 20 11:25:14 Roma is a little italian cafe just down the road from where I work. its just been rebuilt and that was a little joke Jul 20 11:25:37 good joke Jul 20 11:25:41 W Italy! Jul 20 11:27:41 * GAN800 gets out his Extra-Sharp maemo.org Team Poking Stick. Jul 20 11:27:50 * lcuk goes pussy hunting Jul 20 11:27:52 KILL Jul 20 11:27:53 * GAN800 pokes andre___ Jul 20 11:27:55 lcuk: aww Jul 20 11:28:09 lcuk'a such a player. Jul 20 11:28:16 http://www.oldhamcats.co.uk/news.htm Jul 20 11:28:17 s/'a/'s/ Jul 20 11:28:18 GAN800 meant: lcuk's such a player. Jul 20 11:30:04 what is the point in a progress bar which doesn't show progress, instead just wizzes left to right Jul 20 11:30:44 Atarii, to indicate that something's happening which may take an unkowable amount of time? Jul 20 11:30:58 s/unkow/unknow/ Jul 20 11:30:59 GAN800 meant: Atarii, to indicate that something's happening which may take an unknowable amount of time? Jul 20 11:31:11 Like establishing a connection to a server. Jul 20 11:31:24 hmm ok point taken Jul 20 11:35:10 sometimes you it first wizzing left to right and back, then change to a proper progress bar Jul 20 11:35:22 [like with the application manager] Jul 20 11:50:21 ugh, bug #3473 Jul 20 11:51:01 aquatix: there is a reason why it happens in app manager Jul 20 11:51:35 it shows progress separately for each repo but does not show which one Jul 20 11:53:34 hmm, something's not right, n810 battery goes to 0 in a day while it's idle Jul 20 11:53:51 wiza: modest. Jul 20 11:54:06 it hasn't done it before Jul 20 11:54:42 wiza: check process list every now and then Jul 20 11:55:11 most likely modest, but could be metacrawler or some other critter Jul 20 11:55:38 I installed a2dp stuff Jul 20 11:57:09 are you using it though? Jul 20 11:57:36 wiza That is the same problem I have with one of my batteries Jul 20 11:57:56 wiza And I have another one that will last well over a week in idle Jul 20 11:58:13 well, if it's a battery problem that's easy, I can get that changed Jul 20 11:58:21 since this is only couple of months old Jul 20 11:58:45 Hmm - As an experiment this week, I am switching the batteries between the units. Jul 20 11:59:22 I would suspect the battery last Jul 20 11:59:26 A day and a half of use, and the "good" battery still says full in the "bad" unit, so I think it is the battery Jul 20 11:59:39 What is a2dp ? Jul 20 12:00:03 meh, maemo's battery status applet is dodgy at best Jul 20 12:00:11 m-c: stereo audio to bluetooth headset Jul 20 12:00:18 Oh Jul 20 12:00:36 ~wikipedia a2dp Jul 20 12:00:42 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A2DP (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{vagueintro|February 2007}} A 'Bluetooth profile' is a wireless interface specification for Bluetooth-based communication between devices. In order to use Bluetooth technology, a device must be compatible with the subset of Bluetooth profiles necessary to use the desired services. A Bluetooth profile resides on top of the Bluetooth Core Specification and (optionally) add Jul 20 12:00:52 Well, someone here told me that putting the NIT into offline mode helps save the battery. Might check into that, too Jul 20 12:01:08 guys linux deb files like _i386.deb can work on IT? Jul 20 12:01:20 possible to install and run? Jul 20 12:01:34 no Jul 20 12:01:36 Italodance, like we've told you a thousand times already, no. Jul 20 12:02:38 GAN800 but possible to install or totally install is not too Jul 20 12:03:38 not possible to install Jul 20 12:03:45 and can it harm my device? Jul 20 12:03:48 arch mismatch Jul 20 12:03:50 no Jul 20 12:04:01 okay Jul 20 12:05:51 mutiny32 is cool Jul 20 12:06:02 faking ignorance now Jul 20 12:06:48 zap, I see bash2, was that what you added this morning? Jul 20 12:07:06 yes Jul 20 12:07:31 Well, it's less than 24 hours, anyway. ;) Jul 20 12:07:43 zap, for the best mc experience, should i install terminfo + bash2? Jul 20 12:07:57 qwerty12_N800: absolutely Jul 20 12:08:07 especially if you're using ssh Jul 20 12:08:15 ta, grabbing now :) Jul 20 12:08:56 GAN800: its not the package I was talking about, I was talking about mc in maemo-extras Jul 20 12:09:00 oh, zap, the reason you need rootsh's stuff is because a bunch of scripts depend on sudo gainroot. Jul 20 12:09:02 err.. in extras-devel Jul 20 12:09:21 I don't touch sudo gainroot Jul 20 12:09:29 it's absolutely separate from sudser Jul 20 12:09:50 and most all of the howtos use that method. Jul 20 12:10:13 Right, you asked why you'd need rootsh if you had sudser on itT, though. Jul 20 12:10:22 That's why. Jul 20 12:10:38 no, I asked what could be merged between sudser and rootsh Jul 20 12:15:26 They each have distinct features sets. Add the sudoers modification to rootsh. Jul 20 12:16:23 * qwerty12_N800 personally has both installed Jul 20 12:16:43 I'd like to avoid unnecessary user confusion. Jul 20 12:44:23 * lcuk facepalm Jul 20 12:50:53 is noexecstack a bad gcc option on arm? i have a package that builds for x86 in scratchbox, but not for arm, and it seems that the arm compiler barfs on that option. it builds ok on arm without it. Jul 20 12:53:53 quit Jul 20 12:53:55 sorr Jul 20 12:57:06 fnordianslip, what does the option do? Jul 20 12:58:59 i dunno. if was failing the "does gcc work" test in configure. seems that noexec stack is in the AFLAGS and the LDFLAGS, and that dropping it from the LDFAGS allows the build to proceed. I'm not sure what the ramifications are. Jul 20 12:59:36 i mean it, not if Jul 20 13:00:39 fnordianslip: i don't think arm has exec stack protection Jul 20 13:01:05 er. pk. Jul 20 13:01:13 ok, even. damned fingers Jul 20 13:01:22 We can either patch each source file written in assembler and send the fixes upstream, or we can be lazy and simply force the package build system to assemble the source files with the GNU as option --noexecstack (but this is highly discouraged). Jul 20 13:01:26 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/gnu-stack.xml Jul 20 13:02:23 its fully supported in gcc 4.1, but im betting you are still using the older 3.4 Jul 20 13:02:38 er. ok. hang on Jul 20 13:03:12 or rather, that page says its fully supported Jul 20 13:03:20 yep, 3.4. default for diable scratchbox? Jul 20 13:03:26 unless you have cs2008 toolchain, by default sbox uses 3. gcc 4 is good, i had to use it for aircrack Jul 20 13:04:13 well, i'm on the tools for diablo. how come it didn't install gcc 4 ? Jul 20 13:04:13 fnordianslip, are you just buildign for your private use, or are you going to take over maintaining this package for maemo? Jul 20 13:05:27 not sure. perhaps the latter Jul 20 13:05:59 i'm wading through a bunch of ham radio stuff right now Jul 20 13:06:26 hm, wasn't there a swf player or something for maemo? does it use gecko and use libflashplugin that way? Jul 20 13:06:31 just take the flag out of the make process for now, deal with it again in the future Jul 20 13:07:03 works for me, well it builds. will find out if it works later ;-) Jul 20 13:07:36 Stskeeps, the getting started application? Jul 20 13:07:37 exactly, not worth learning a whole new set of things which noone else bothers about on this device (since the feature doesnt seem to work on the toolchain we use) Jul 20 13:08:31 qwerty12_N800: that's prolly closed source isn't it? Jul 20 13:08:40 yeah :( Jul 20 13:09:14 qwerty12_N800: i just have the perverted idea to make a flash UI thingie Jul 20 13:09:20 is there an oss standaline flash player anywhere? Jul 20 13:09:28 How do i set a program suid? Jul 20 13:09:41 there's prolly gnash, but since i got flash working under Debian it could be -neat- to use it ;) Jul 20 13:09:43 Stskeeps, :) you arent the only one. Jul 20 13:09:45 lcuk, gnash (not available for maemo) Jul 20 13:09:59 why not... ? Jul 20 13:10:18 does it depend on a toolkit not avail?> Jul 20 13:10:56 ~lart the north. can't believe i'm going oldham >.< Jul 20 13:10:57 * infobot flings poo at the north. can't believe i'm going oldham >.< Jul 20 13:12:10 nothin wrong with oldham. ok maybe theres plenty wrong with oldham Jul 20 13:12:24 what you comin to my hometown for? Jul 20 13:12:46 got to go to a wedding Jul 20 13:13:05 which end of town is it in Jul 20 13:13:15 no idea :/ Jul 20 13:13:41 heh, i could tell you if you need to electrify your car or not :P Jul 20 13:14:09 :D Jul 20 13:14:44 * lcuk launches a coin high in the air Jul 20 13:14:56 heads i code, tails i read a book Jul 20 13:15:18 huzzzah! im codin for the afternoon Jul 20 13:15:21 Hi, I have the problem of pdflush and jffs2_gcd_mtd4 taking up a large amount of CPU time. My root file system has 100MiB free and I have disabled the weather/RSS desktop applets. Are there any other suggestions? Jul 20 13:15:22 back later Jul 20 13:15:23 * qwerty12_N800 bets lcuk cheats Jul 20 13:15:41 didnt actually, i had to chase it around cos it rolled Jul 20 13:16:26 EvilGuru, is pdflush installed by default and do you use it? Jul 20 13:16:30 let it come to it's proper home in the south: the bank of england :p Jul 20 13:17:00 lcuk: I do not believe I have a choice, AFAIK it is a system task Jul 20 13:17:17 ~lart gtk for whining about setuid Jul 20 13:17:17 im so gonna watch the motorway sliproad and if i see some non conformist hacker bod sitting in the back of the car playing on an n8x0 im gonna egg it Jul 20 13:17:18 * infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives gtk a good jolt for whining about setuid Jul 20 13:17:51 welcome to manchester :P Jul 20 13:18:08 * qwerty12_N800 yawns Jul 20 13:18:09 :p Jul 20 13:18:24 when are you comin this way then? Jul 20 13:18:58 just so, like i dont have to setout a deck chair for weeks on end Jul 20 13:19:07 i'm setting off in about an hour and it takes a few hours to get there Jul 20 13:19:12 did anyone install fring on the n800? it doesn't start Jul 20 13:19:34 qwerty12_N800, bit of a late wedding isnt it? Jul 20 13:19:54 or are you the bride being fashionably late :P Jul 20 13:20:00 yeah :/ Jul 20 13:20:18 maybe in manchester things work like that... :p Jul 20 13:20:46 i'm wondering if i should remove noexecstack from the AFLAGS aswell as the LDFLAGS, even though the package builds ok with it? Jul 20 13:21:11 fnordianslip, take it out, put a comment that it doesnt work on maemo and have done Jul 20 13:21:17 maemo/gcc3.4 Jul 20 13:21:18 roget that Jul 20 13:21:26 bugger. roger even. Jul 20 13:21:37 have you asked roger if he wants to be buggered? Jul 20 13:21:40 damned macbook pro keyboard Jul 20 13:22:16 he always wants it. there's a guy at work called Roger Brown. he was unimpressed when I told him that his name was an anal sex joke. Jul 20 13:22:19 hey guys, have you problems entering in bugs.maemo.org? Jul 20 13:23:17 fnordianslip, i bet he was. just hope he never becomes your boss Jul 20 13:23:27 maemo has bugs? Jul 20 13:23:57 lcuk, only one or two ;) Jul 20 13:24:20 qwerty12_N800, lcuk: are there a lot of things to do in the UK that would appeal to all age groups? Jul 20 13:24:33 fnordianslip, meh, roger brown is nothing. i'm a perv by name... Jul 20 13:24:41 if this is OT, we could go off the channel too Jul 20 13:26:23 qwerty12_N800: you name seems kinda global Jul 20 13:27:16 is it entirely of one origin or a bit multinational? Jul 20 13:28:24 not that it matters, but i did wonder when i saw it. Jul 20 13:30:54 summatusmentis, what do you mean? as in outside activities - themeparks fairs playgrounds events ? Jul 20 13:31:14 hmm. i'm hoping i haven't inadvertently made myself look like a rascist or something. not intended. Jul 20 13:32:27 no, why would you think that Jul 20 13:33:18 * lcuk needs hitting with a cluestick, cos i dont see where you think you were offensive Jul 20 13:33:24 i felt i was perhaps digging myself a hole, and the channel went oddly quiet for a bit Jul 20 13:33:43 it does that for a multitude of reasons :) dont beat yourself up about it Jul 20 13:33:56 bothered? Jul 20 13:36:21 * lcuk really should pay attention to names Jul 20 13:36:48 fnordianslip, nope, not personally bothered at all - your cow orker might take offense though Jul 20 13:37:44 oh. eventually misunderstood. i was doing the " am i bothered?" gag. Jul 20 13:38:16 nahhh, you have to have a london accent to do that, when qwerty12_N800 tries it it works cos hes a chav Jul 20 13:38:40 leave my cow orker out of this. Jul 20 13:40:36 qwerty12_N800, is it tough getting andlinux and scratchbox to work nicely on the pc? Jul 20 13:44:55 I've just seen the irreco application, that one is simply a must have :) Jul 20 13:54:12 lcuk: d'you mind if I pm you? Jul 20 13:54:32 not at all :) Jul 20 14:01:39 /scratchbox/compilers/bin/host-gcc: Too many open files Jul 20 14:01:43 :s how do i fix that? Jul 20 14:03:58 Atarii: increase the number of file-max or close some other apps? Jul 20 14:04:44 how do you increase the file-max? Jul 20 14:05:21 either sysctl -w fs.filemax=NNNNNN or cat NNN > /proc/sys/fs/file-max Jul 20 14:05:27 might check to what it is set now ;) Jul 20 14:05:45 thanks :) Jul 20 14:05:45 erm fs.file-max Jul 20 14:07:10 Atarii: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr should tell you current and max value Jul 20 14:07:48 right: 2048 0 50096 Jul 20 14:07:56 mhh Jul 20 14:08:01 so this is not the problem :P Jul 20 14:10:39 [Off Topic] "Some U.S. motorists sick of getting clobbered at the pump seem willing to do just about anything for free fuel, from giving up the right to name their children to stealing from day-care centers to donating blood." Jul 20 14:11:48 "my car runs on O- blood, I get 300 miles to the gallon." - dracule, 1847 at a vampire conference. Jul 20 14:11:54 a Jul 20 14:12:52 anyone tried a recent owb (this webkit "fork") yet? Jul 20 14:13:29 not yet it needs building from source doesnt it Jul 20 14:13:40 yep that's why i am asking ;) Jul 20 14:14:02 give it a try jott Jul 20 14:14:15 hows qt coming by the way Jul 20 14:14:54 lcuk: looks quite nicely Jul 20 14:15:01 excellent Jul 20 14:15:15 still waiting for a reply from tt legal to make some bigger commits :/ Jul 20 14:15:24 tt? Jul 20 14:15:29 trolltech Jul 20 14:15:43 or "Qt Software" who knows :P Jul 20 14:15:51 ahhh yes, are you doing this under strict gpl, or are you happy with the part commercial aspect Jul 20 14:16:13 it's fine for me. Jul 20 14:16:18 now he's resorting to bugzilla spam. Jul 20 14:16:23 What an idiot. Jul 20 14:16:34 jott :) why didnt you tell me that when i was talking along these lines with liqbase :P Jul 20 14:16:50 lcuk: what? Jul 20 14:17:04 that part commercial is ok Jul 20 14:17:14 crashanddie: US motorists should drive less or buy a smaller car Jul 20 14:17:29 fuel here in europe is a lot more expensive even Jul 20 14:17:56 lcuk: it's your ip and as long as you hold the full ip, you may choose what ever license is feasible ... Jul 20 14:18:01 sometimes no way to get by without a car, and since everyone has big cars a tiny one stands no chance. thankfully the price increases and money troubles makes smaller cars more viable Jul 20 14:18:10 "stands no chance"? Jul 20 14:18:49 you are right jott, anyway, keep us informed and i would really like to see a nice clean easy route to qt on the device Jul 20 14:18:56 ShadowJK, it's commonly accepted Europe motorists drive a bit better than US ones :P Jul 20 14:19:10 ShadowJK, or rather, that the exam is quite harder Jul 20 14:19:26 crashanddie, ahhh, but are european WOMEN drivers any better than american women drivers? Jul 20 14:19:34 I've heard from people who visited france and benelux, that the drivers are batshit insane Jul 20 14:19:38 takes a few months to get a license here.. and then you have a learning period of 2 years Jul 20 14:19:54 jaska, US ? Jul 20 14:19:57 finland Jul 20 14:20:13 jaska, what age ? Jul 20 14:20:18 18 I guess ? Jul 20 14:20:19 Yep, 2 years "probation" time Jul 20 14:20:22 18 Jul 20 14:20:29 i didnt bother till 20 or so tho :) Jul 20 14:20:33 it's up to 3 years probation here in France Jul 20 14:20:41 finland has the advantage that winter tames drivers... well, had, winter isn't winter anymore Jul 20 14:20:54 See, I don't get how anyone could give a 16yo a full blown car Jul 20 14:20:57 * GAN800 facepalm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3473 Jul 20 14:21:17 so they buy fuel? Jul 20 14:21:25 yeah i often laugh when i see people in warm countries fail horribly at driving on snow/ice Jul 20 14:22:30 GAN800: Let me guess: The guy that is talking class a stuff in the forum as well? Jul 20 14:22:52 Yes Jul 20 14:23:04 and yet, when the first snow falls, lots of cars are wrecked. as newspapers put it, drivers are caught by surprise. to me it isn't much of a surprise that winter comes once a year... Jul 20 14:23:11 GAN800: ``othe Nokia Symbian platforms fully Jul 20 14:23:13 support the same chipset, so the Maemo implementation should have it as well'' Jul 20 14:23:20 Jul 20 14:23:23 wnd, its the same after a dry spell and you get rain Jul 20 14:23:31 wnd: :) Jul 20 14:24:03 the worst one was what i saw on slashdot - some car manufacturer is planning on putting a HUD display showing the edge of the road so old drivers get help whilst driving in fog etc Jul 20 14:24:13 I don't think I regress from winter conditions enough to ever even notice rain Jul 20 14:24:15 I feel kind of sorry for the people that are going to have to talk to him at OSiM. Jul 20 14:24:17 just drive at a safe speed in the conditions you are in Jul 20 14:24:38 lcuk, hey, that could help you drive again ! Jul 20 14:24:38 GAN800, hope alcohol is available Jul 20 14:24:39 Worst? That was awesome! Jul 20 14:24:45 lcuk, with HUD and all that ! Jul 20 14:24:48 :D Jul 20 14:24:54 crashanddie, it would have to be scrollable Jul 20 14:25:02 airvraft have HUDs like that, so should cars. Jul 20 14:25:08 i want a real HUD on my glasses Jul 20 14:25:17 I hope I didn't feed the troll on the board.. Jul 20 14:25:21 anything else would be wrong cos moving head to the side would move the image Jul 20 14:25:35 lcuk, I guess you'd just use a pencil to try to pan it around, and then start muttering about the lack of openness in the car mobile computing industry Jul 20 14:25:38 which did you reply to Blafasel Jul 20 14:25:55 The issue with adding technological help to drivers is that drivers will drive faster, and so they're back at being as incompetent/competent as in the beginning, except they now have more kinetic energy than before... Jul 20 14:25:58 if old people can't see well anymore, they should simply be disallowed to run a car Jul 20 14:25:58 lcuk: The PowerVR guy Jul 20 14:26:10 aquatix, agreed Jul 20 14:26:23 not at all, id spend a few months hacking it about and getting it to refresh properly before going to the manufacturer telling them that there IS a way to do it properly and if they opened themselves up a bit we might be able to use it Jul 20 14:26:47 lcuk: The PowerVR guy <<<<<<< yup, thats me :) Jul 20 14:26:51 i already see too many dangerous situations in which some elderly couple or whatever is driving way slow on a road Jul 20 14:26:51 People already hack on the chips in their cars today Jul 20 14:27:00 I believe hacking the engine control chip is particulary popular :-) Jul 20 14:27:01 or just barely miss pedestrians or people on bikes Jul 20 14:27:08 lcuk: No, the "sue for PowerVR guy". Still you? Jul 20 14:27:10 Ahaha, 'Now I feel emotionally damaged.' Jul 20 14:27:30 A few days ago, I got cut off from a roundabout, I was in it, signal on and everything, lights on, hard to miss... Some old frog just didn't even look at me, and engaged into the roundabout... Had to break as hell... When I hit the horn like mad, the guy was pissed, and gave me the finger... Jul 20 14:27:36 GAN800: Mine is the one before that (DarKlajid), but still I gues answering just makes the discussion longer Jul 20 14:27:44 aquatix, i see plenty of (young/old/male/female) people HIT pedestrians or people on bikes, and they have perfect vision Jul 20 14:27:55 lcuk: true, true :( Jul 20 14:28:10 i was not singling out elderly people Jul 20 14:28:22 But they are a risk Jul 20 14:28:27 sure you were: you find GILFs hot :P Jul 20 14:28:27 crashanddie, so was he slowing down or not when he was approaching the roundabout? :-) Jul 20 14:28:32 most of the dangerous acts i see in traffic are from people aged 20-50 Jul 20 14:28:56 ShadowJK, yeah, he slowed down, and maybe when I was at 5m from him, just started going again Jul 20 14:29:00 most dangerous fast driving is <30. most dangerous cautious drivers are >60 Jul 20 14:29:04 aquatix: most of the dangerous acts I see are from people in vehicles... Jul 20 14:29:08 well, old people usually cause danger by driving too slowly Jul 20 14:29:16 I'm thinking *everyone* should have a test every 3/5 years, short test, 10 minutes or so, but just to see if you're still able to drive correctly Jul 20 14:29:33 crashanddie: my gf was almost hit by a lady [30, 40yr old] that didn't even looked around while entering the roundabout; gf yelled, lady still didn't react Jul 20 14:29:35 crashanddie: good idea Jul 20 14:29:36 just drove on Jul 20 14:29:54 aquatix: either stupid or ignorant Jul 20 14:30:00 that's why you have a horn Jul 20 14:30:00 crashanddie: Agreed. Something like that is mandatory here for trucks already, I'd like to see it for cards as well. Jul 20 14:30:14 AStorm: not on a bicycle Jul 20 14:30:19 i think we should be able to "Digg up/down" drivers on the road. see someone cut you up - just click on their license plate. when a person gets so many downmods they get pulled in for a retest Jul 20 14:30:22 It's amazing how some people think that every other driver is incompetent, yet the same people themselves /drive/ like everyone else was competent drivers :-) Jul 20 14:30:34 aquatix: ah, yeah, people tend to ignore cyclists Jul 20 14:30:36 lcuk, hate-crime would be easy Jul 20 14:30:37 lol that's awesome lcdd Jul 20 14:30:39 lcuk* Jul 20 14:30:40 it should be done in a test Jul 20 14:30:48 I mean, specific bicycle questions Jul 20 14:30:54 (for drivers) Jul 20 14:31:00 ShadowJK: so true :( Jul 20 14:31:07 make everyone ride a motorcycle for a year - the survivors are allowed cars... Jul 20 14:31:13 * aquatix is a good driver though Jul 20 14:31:14 crashanddie, thats fine - modding people down randomly causes the modder themselves to be metamodded (sounds more like slash) Jul 20 14:31:26 lbt: no Jul 20 14:31:38 I have this bad habbit of rarely using the brake, but I should atleast touch it, especially when there are cars behind me, so that they get alerted that I'm slowing down. On the other hand, maybe they shouldn't drive so close Jul 20 14:31:39 AStorm: yes Jul 20 14:31:42 lbt, have you seen the startings of the barcode project. i keep thinking how cool it would be to integrate into your shopper to allow automatically ticking off required items Jul 20 14:31:50 getting my mom onto a motorcycle would be hard enough ;P Jul 20 14:32:00 lcuk: :D Jul 20 14:32:07 but you'd need a db of items Jul 20 14:32:08 I just bought a GPS so I can get directions to the correct aisle... Jul 20 14:32:13 ShadowJK, I make a point at having cars drive far away from me... Jul 20 14:32:25 lbt: which proggy? maemo mapper? Jul 20 14:32:39 no idea yet - the GPS is still in China... Jul 20 14:32:40 crashanddie: cars tend to show up close to my front bumper though Jul 20 14:32:45 lbt: pfff Jul 20 14:32:47 gps doesn't have the precision for aisle to aisle navigation, especially not indoors... Jul 20 14:32:50 :( Jul 20 14:32:57 crashanddie: especially those darn tourists Jul 20 14:32:57 ShadowJK: it does, if you're moving Jul 20 14:33:02 ShadowJK: that's half the fun :) Jul 20 14:33:04 in place, not Jul 20 14:33:24 lbt, once you get shopping and logging barcodes though you can follow your trace through the market: for instance you could stay in the wine isle for about 45 minutes Jul 20 14:33:32 It's a '51' GPS - much better - said so on the tin... Jul 20 14:33:39 yup Jul 20 14:33:45 ShadowJK, one nice technique, is (in full daylight) to just put your lights on very fast, and accelerate. Most of the time, the change of movement in your car, and the lights popping on, will be translated in their brain as "BRAKE !" Jul 20 14:34:06 It's illegal to not have lights on. Jul 20 14:34:10 I'm not sure how the barcode thing will work when shopping... I was thinking about it Jul 20 14:34:23 shackan, oh, well... You need something else than :P Jul 20 14:34:25 exactly Jul 20 14:34:29 ShadowJK: i wish it was here too Jul 20 14:34:31 err, ShadowJK ^ Jul 20 14:34:37 once you start to gather barcodes in a mini database/sml file you can start to automatically add items with the full UPN number Jul 20 14:34:38 grrr Jul 20 14:34:40 ShadowJK: by day i mean Jul 20 14:34:41 as key Jul 20 14:34:43 We have a barcode reader here that I got from ebay Jul 20 14:34:45 ShadowJK, where do you live ? Jul 20 14:34:47 lcuk: what abt sqlite? :) Jul 20 14:34:49 finland Jul 20 14:34:51 we use it read ISBN numbers Jul 20 14:34:52 aquatix, depends where Jul 20 14:35:03 lbt: trick is n810 is more portable Jul 20 14:35:06 illegal in Canada Jul 20 14:35:13 yes - that's the point Jul 20 14:35:17 crashanddie: the netherlands; we had some pretty bad weather lately in which still a lot of people drove with their lights off Jul 20 14:35:17 on my corolla the lights come on by themselves once the engine is running and the alternator is supplying power Jul 20 14:35:19 man...why is the n810 gps so bad at getting a fix? Jul 20 14:35:21 wheren't all that visible Jul 20 14:35:25 no need to drag things to the PC to scan them :) Jul 20 14:35:29 ShadowJK: good thing :) Jul 20 14:35:47 aquatix & ShadowJK: it's stupid in some countries... It really is. Lights during daytime should be reserved to bikers, as it allows motorists to spot them easily Jul 20 14:35:48 zfigz: it's a tiny, cheap unit. Jul 20 14:35:51 Some people really hate drl. Jul 20 14:35:54 ShadowJK: i just turn on the lights myself ;) Jul 20 14:36:02 zfigz: I hear that Diablo may make it better Jul 20 14:36:09 crashanddie: that's a good point i guess Jul 20 14:36:17 AStorm, sqlite is great Jul 20 14:36:19 lbt, i guess so... Jul 20 14:36:21 lbt: lcuk there is already a database with about 1mio upc/ean codes Jul 20 14:36:21 crashanddie: but when it's darkish and it rains, you should turn on your lights Jul 20 14:36:24 zfigz: I have an N800 so no clue :) Jul 20 14:36:29 crashanddie: and still people didn't do that Jul 20 14:36:30 crashanddie, the most annoying thing is in darkness when you're meeting someone with a light out, you can't tell if it's a bike or what :-) Jul 20 14:36:45 :-P Jul 20 14:36:52 lcuk: btw, I want to know how to make my n810 say something about GPS navigation ;P Jul 20 14:36:53 aquatix, agreed, that's why it's necessary to point out the location of such a law. Not *everywhere* Jul 20 14:36:58 ShadowJK: just drive by real close, you'll notice ;) Jul 20 14:36:58 jott, im thinking for davids shopper - once he has shopped a few times and looked up the codes it will be easy to add "4 pack of beans" Jul 20 14:37:05 Our supermarket (Sainsbury) uses 'scan and pack' Jul 20 14:37:05 ShadowJK, that's probably why it's illegal to only have 1 light working :P Jul 20 14:37:10 crashanddie: yeah, good point Jul 20 14:37:12 I know gps is sucky, but the map is so much better than my TomTom's Jul 20 14:37:13 it would be nice to integrate this somehow (rm_you started something).. Jul 20 14:37:14 lbt, most do now Jul 20 14:37:22 any idea how to make it so? Jul 20 14:37:23 crashanddie: would be stupid to do in sunny countries Jul 20 14:37:24 so we have a portable barcode scanner that we use as we shop Jul 20 14:37:27 lcuk: yeah and prices could also be stored Jul 20 14:37:28 maybe A* over bitmap? Jul 20 14:37:28 yes i know, for offline use it will be good Jul 20 14:37:39 plus add some flite Jul 20 14:37:39 aquatix, I'm in southern france atm... Pretty pointless to add such a law here :P Jul 20 14:37:40 jott - the normal big database wont know prices Jul 20 14:37:45 crashanddie: :) Jul 20 14:37:56 lcuk: yeah, those have to be entered locally anyway Jul 20 14:38:04 Well right now where I live in .fi, I wouldn't need headlights at all, 24/7. It doesn't get dark Jul 20 14:38:06 AStorm, whoooosh, i see you asking something interesting but i dont think i can read enough with all this going on Jul 20 14:38:09 but with a big touch friendly interface this would be nice Jul 20 14:38:15 :) Jul 20 14:38:17 so you could easily compare prices.. Jul 20 14:38:32 The opposite is true in winter, though, it never gets light enough :p Jul 20 14:38:38 crashanddie: i like what audi does btw; they added a strip of led lights that act as light-by-day, making them more visible too without having to turn on their real lights Jul 20 14:38:39 spinning off, you could even use the gps location to automatically tag the shop where the price was recorded ;) Jul 20 14:38:41 how can i find out which scratchbox version is installed? Jul 20 14:38:45 lbt - scan the isle label, get the barcode and the pricing info Jul 20 14:38:54 take a picture of the pricelabel thing Jul 20 14:39:05 ocr it later and grab the prices easily and simply Jul 20 14:40:47 lcuk: I'm wondering what use it would be... Jul 20 14:40:53 it's cool and all that Jul 20 14:40:58 lbt: price comparision Jul 20 14:41:12 barcode doesn't have price Jul 20 14:41:14 I go to the supermarket and buy what they sell Jul 20 14:41:15 just tag your data and the shoppinglist will tell you where to shop Jul 20 14:41:24 jott: scan the ticket you get at the checkout? Jul 20 14:41:28 have to enter that by hand. . . Jul 20 14:41:33 GAN800: yes, sure Jul 20 14:41:37 I don't drive 8 miles to the next one if the bread is 10p extra Jul 20 14:41:44 lbt - how do you know which specific things are rising in price at your own supermartket Jul 20 14:41:53 prices change week to week here. Jul 20 14:41:59 GAN800: lcuk just had the idea to take a picture of the price tag and associate it with the upn automatically Jul 20 14:42:00 would it be interesting to see that last week you paid 34p for something and now its 97p Jul 20 14:42:00 same here Jul 20 14:42:12 but scanning doesn't help there Jul 20 14:42:22 GAN800, soon you'll be exchanging salt Jul 20 14:42:24 yes it does because you scanned last week as well Jul 20 14:42:27 hello Jul 20 14:42:39 but scanning doesn't give me the price Jul 20 14:42:48 it *does* give me a unique id for the item Jul 20 14:42:50 * jott has atleast 8 different shops in the direct vicinity :P Jul 20 14:42:53 surely the supermarket price labels will be easy to ocr with the camera Jul 20 14:43:05 but this week I buy Hovis bread (it's on offer) Jul 20 14:43:05 so price comparision is feasible here ;) Jul 20 14:43:12 next week I buy Wharburtons Jul 20 14:43:24 "easy"... Herm... Have you ever tried taking a picture of something in front of you with the n810 ? Jul 20 14:43:33 jott: but scanning doesn't help Jul 20 14:43:35 price comparisons would involve more work than the saving's'd be worth. Jul 20 14:43:44 you need to manually enter the price Jul 20 14:43:54 lbt: scan the code get an id -> scan the price or manually enter it Jul 20 14:44:07 'scan the price' Jul 20 14:44:11 another solution Jul 20 14:44:12 it's usuall just 3 digits (in contrast to the 13 of ean13 ;-) Jul 20 14:44:13 how does that work? Jul 20 14:44:22 lbt: take a picture Jul 20 14:44:30 or enter the 2-4 digits manaully .. Jul 20 14:44:33 on the shelf edge? Jul 20 14:44:40 lbt: yeah for example Jul 20 14:44:56 * jott thinks manually entering it is not that problematic Jul 20 14:44:58 would be to have a generalised server, and store/compare prices there directly ? maybe select per country/shop/city Jul 20 14:44:59 uk - just understanding where you're coming from :) Jul 20 14:45:02 with a fingerfirendly interface Jul 20 14:45:11 (as an alternative) Jul 20 14:46:47 i mean just have really big 0-9 and "00" keys and you can enter every price in an blink of an eye... Jul 20 14:46:57 yep Jul 20 14:47:17 lbt: just check out the barcode project.. the code works pretty nice Jul 20 14:47:38 link - I've not noted it yet :) Jul 20 14:47:56 https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/trunk/ Jul 20 14:48:04 svn trunk version for you :) Jul 20 14:48:32 i wish i could make c++ compilation faster Jul 20 14:48:42 lcuk: compile on the host?! ;P Jul 20 14:48:45 scratchbox mate ;) Jul 20 14:48:58 scratchbox doesnt help me when im sat on the steps outside the office Jul 20 14:49:17 lcuk: you don't have internet outside the office? :) Jul 20 14:49:21 no Jul 20 14:49:29 i dont have wireless INSIDE the office Jul 20 14:49:33 oh Jul 20 14:49:45 but i dont actually do work inside there Jul 20 14:49:52 then just convince you boss you NEED one ;) Jul 20 14:50:01 but when im out havin a cig i will flip things about and tweak and adjust stuff Jul 20 14:50:01 for testing your killer mobile applications Jul 20 14:50:33 pafff--- warning: implicit declaration of function `round' Jul 20 14:50:41 ~lart math.h Jul 20 14:50:42 * infobot DoSes math.h Jul 20 14:50:45 hmm, it cant be right that a N800 should go from half a battery to empty in the space of maybe 12 hours in offline mode? Jul 20 14:50:46 my killer mobile applications are not commercially viable and so i am stuck coding vb Jul 20 14:51:01 t_s_o, if there's an app running, sure Jul 20 14:51:06 t_s_o, it is if something is running Jul 20 14:51:20 infact, i could probably drain it much faster Jul 20 14:51:23 should not be, only some desktop applet Jul 20 14:51:32 crashanddie, we have to stop that Jul 20 14:51:38 Morning, all Jul 20 14:51:47 GAN800: what'll I be up for? Jul 20 14:51:48 morning jaffa o/ Jul 20 14:51:50 lcuk, we have to stop what ? Jul 20 14:51:55 oh Jul 20 14:51:56 answering the same things Jul 20 14:51:58 yeah, we do :P Jul 20 14:52:05 lcuk, stop copying me Jul 20 14:52:16 * lcuk slap Jul 20 14:52:32 Jaffa, a couple of bugzilla products for your stufd. Jul 20 14:53:00 GAN800: oh, aye - definitely Jul 20 14:53:08 yeah - just scanned some biscuits Jul 20 14:53:19 yummy Jul 20 14:53:28 should beep when it gets a fix Jul 20 14:53:31 BUG Jul 20 14:53:40 some_dude: "you there?" me: "aye" some_dude: "define:aye" some_dude: "woops, wrong window" Jul 20 14:53:43 lbt: blinks when gets a fix ;) Jul 20 14:53:59 I'd like some input here on whether this article should be deleted: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition Jul 20 14:54:20 lbt: and yeah it's just a testing framework, waiting to be integrated in a shopping app ;) Jul 20 14:55:14 I do not blink when I get a fix and I resemble that remark!!! Jul 20 14:55:17 * lcuk likes testing frameworks Jul 20 14:55:19 The process is both significantly less useful and less reliable than straight SD booting and offers no advantages. Jul 20 14:55:28 OK - why not. Jul 20 14:55:30 lbt: do you have n800? Jul 20 14:55:41 yes Jul 20 14:56:05 lbt: hmm when using normal webcam apps, does the led go on? Jul 20 14:56:30 no Jul 20 14:56:34 ah..hmm Jul 20 14:56:34 ok Jul 20 14:56:45 but there's clearly an sme message to start the camera app Jul 20 14:56:47 well we might have to choose an other pattern then that works on the n800 ;) Jul 20 14:56:51 which wants subverting Jul 20 14:57:18 just make it beep Jul 20 14:57:20 s/camera/im/ Jul 20 14:57:37 lcuk: yeah but beeping in a shop is not the best thing you can do ;) Jul 20 14:57:44 hah Jul 20 14:57:51 thats what volume control is for Jul 20 14:57:56 the scanners beep all over the place nowadays Jul 20 14:57:59 hehe Jul 20 14:58:15 yeah we need an real scanner beep sample ;) Jul 20 14:58:17 can we actually get rumble iwth our devices? Jul 20 14:58:20 OK - gotta go. It's my wedding anniversary today... not allowed on here for too long... Jul 20 14:58:30 heh Jul 20 14:58:32 if we send out a 10hz signal to the speaker too low to be heard would we feel it Jul 20 14:58:42 congrats on surviving lbt Jul 20 14:58:43 lcuk: hm try it out ;) Jul 20 14:58:55 lcuk: 17 years (I think) Jul 20 14:59:00 you best be sure Jul 20 14:59:13 im sure mrs lbt will know, why dont you ask her Jul 20 14:59:22 lcuk, speaker isn't large enough to handle 10Hz Jul 20 14:59:24 what, again? Jul 20 14:59:35 GAN800, it should still move though Jul 20 14:59:43 i know we wont hear it Jul 20 14:59:48 Wont generate 10Hz Jul 20 15:00:14 * lcuk makes a signal generator to see what he can do Jul 20 15:00:32 horizontal = frequency, vertical = power Jul 20 15:00:40 lcuk: just use audacity and generate a sample.. ;) Jul 20 15:00:52 why, i wanna play tunes Jul 20 15:01:10 fullscreen strokes for an instrument Jul 20 15:01:10 * jott shuffles lcuks todo list Jul 20 15:01:25 oh grnnngngngnrngrnne you and your sensible things Jul 20 15:01:46 its all needed anyway cos im trying to arrange a widget framework and different kinds of interaction are needed Jul 20 15:02:22 but i could just setup a quick gstreamer chain and push data out Jul 20 15:02:22 heh make a "blast device speaker" button ;) Jul 20 15:02:40 * GAN800 pushes the brown note to lcuk's tablet. Jul 20 15:02:47 depending on the music, it could be "destroy device speakers" Jul 20 15:03:14 GAN800, now THAT wont move, your guts wont resonate with a tiny speaker (unless you shoved it up your .... ermm thats a bit offtopic isnt it Jul 20 15:03:50 lcuk, unless nokia secretely added a vibrator motor within... Jul 20 15:03:50 You hope they wont, anyway. ;) Jul 20 15:04:25 sxpert, well that was the effect i was thinging off, not for that purpose, but some way to give feedback to the user holding the device that there has been a successful scan Jul 20 15:04:29 maybe generating brown notes is the hidden n810 gimmick :) Jul 20 15:04:35 a low frequency hum would work i think Jul 20 15:05:03 Nokia's just waiting for the right moment to destroy the world. Jul 20 15:05:09 lcuk, those would be proably out of the speakers' frequency range Jul 20 15:05:18 250Hz Jul 20 15:05:33 * jott must think of the atmos device in doctor who ;) Jul 20 15:05:39 well find a resonant frequency that DOES match and see if it can be made to work. hence a little program to test frequency/power combinations Jul 20 15:05:45 that's not particularly low frequency Jul 20 15:05:59 Low enough Jul 20 15:07:10 http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=619847&cid=24261957 Jul 20 15:09:10 Somebody be useful and comment here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition Jul 20 15:20:27 crashanddie, the best one is the multiple function Jul 20 15:20:28 :D Jul 20 15:20:36 multiply even Jul 20 15:26:19 back later Jul 20 15:48:30 so my problem with the mcom evdo bundle is the wifi router, when i'd rather use bluetooth Jul 20 15:50:30 in the us at least .. the bt would last longer. Jul 20 15:51:12 anyone ever use w3m? :) xlinks2 is .. ok Jul 20 15:54:50 its not bundled anymore, but you could get a battery powered AP with a usb port, for the cdma modem Jul 20 15:56:16 * terbo is thinking .. wrt router with linux/usb? a battery pack Jul 20 16:02:26 jumping in without seeing more than two lines of your thoughts, could a Fonero fit your needs? Jul 20 16:07:01 http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Fon/Fonera fun little things they are Jul 20 16:09:00 * terbo looks around Jul 20 16:09:41 * terbo sludges along Jul 20 16:11:59 * ol_schoola chugs last bit of coffee dregs Jul 20 16:12:17 i dunno, don't see how to add usb .. i think two ports Jul 20 16:20:58 oh, sorry. didn't see you were looking for a USB<>AP solution. there IS a header on the Fonera FOR a USB ports and they did run a proto of the 2.1 with said USB port but AFAIK nobody's successfully modprobed it in the production models Jul 20 16:21:18 ports/port Jul 20 16:22:53 I might just use this wrt54 if I could put usb on it Jul 20 16:23:20 * terbo just wants internet allthewhere Jul 20 16:24:55 otherwise I'm going to have to have my laptop powered up all the time . . . . Jul 20 16:30:25 does anyone know of a concise list of important file locations for a software application. ie where are binaries meant to live, where to store configuration options, where user files should live. ive managed to find one in the past but my google foo is failing me this afternoon Jul 20 16:30:35 i see. i bit the bullet and got the n95 and the 15/month add-on with ATT Jul 20 16:32:14 lcuk_codin: in the redaht world, you would examine the spec file for the RPM. my debian knowledge is less than stelllar.... Jul 20 16:32:32 or dpkg for that matter Jul 20 16:33:16 yer, i can recall the page im thinking off - i know it exists but i think my terminology is a bit off so google is failing me Jul 20 16:33:35 i have really bad google foo myself Jul 20 16:38:52 GeneralAntilles: i flashed that n800 to diablo.23-14 last night and am starting fresh. care to chime in throughout the day as I uncover foibles? i'll gladly update wiki entries as appropriate. Jul 20 16:43:29 lcuk_codin: maybe you're meaning the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? Jul 20 16:43:38 this one, for example: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html Jul 20 16:43:47 http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_01.html Jul 20 16:43:50 lol yes Jul 20 16:44:29 i eventually found my way to what i needed :) thanks zap yours is just as useful Jul 20 16:44:48 FHS is the standard, LDP contains just a intro for beginners Jul 20 16:45:34 dar! didn't see the forest in the trees there. no wonder my goo-foo sux Jul 20 16:45:36 * lcuk_codin is a beginner Jul 20 16:46:16 * ol_schoola has been a beginner since he took up mythtv in 2004 Jul 20 16:46:29 i just need lite details so i can plan where things should go - gotta get the "install" branch of the liqbase package ready and its reminded me about a few nonos ive hard coded in Jul 20 16:47:39 lcuk_codin: if you have doubts, ask here Jul 20 16:47:51 i'd still unwrap another known good pkg and see where others have successfully placed the bits. just a thought Jul 20 16:48:00 exactly, but i would at least like to plan where I think it should go Jul 20 16:48:19 well thats very kind of you lcuk_codin Jul 20 16:48:50 :) i do try to help myself first Jul 20 16:49:54 someone has read ESRs suggestions ;) Jul 20 16:50:39 ol_schoola, i did that to find out what was required for the /debian folder and looked at other projects using similar libraries and features, but the programs I looked at didnt want to touch as much of the os as i have in mind Jul 20 16:52:02 im already on the backfoot by releasing liqbase as it was, people are already creating data with it in a format and location I'm gonna have to import and convert. i wanna get it right :) Jul 20 16:52:29 well then with that, i'll step down as i am wading into deeper water than i should ;) Jul 20 16:52:46 ;) Jul 20 17:10:07 lcuk_codin / jott : yes Jul 20 17:10:19 i have the database of UPC/EAN in SQLite format now Jul 20 17:10:31 it was kind of ... a bitch Jul 20 17:11:10 because the import was totally broken due to CSV with embedded commas in the text >_> Jul 20 17:11:14 but i know regexp :P Jul 20 17:16:28 * RST38h is debugging that Pokemon bug Jul 20 17:17:24 Thought it was wrong shoft-by-constant implementation in the ARM core but apparently thats not it Jul 20 17:17:44 s/shoft/shift Jul 20 17:17:51 has anybody had problems udating libd4.2, libglade2-0 and python2.5-dev? Jul 20 17:18:59 RST38h: the one with the corrupted pokemon involving surfing around off cinnibar isle? :P Jul 20 17:19:06 * rm_you wonders why he knows this Jul 20 17:19:30 RST38h: did you see someone wrote a dynamic recompiler for dosbox x86->arm? Jul 20 17:19:56 or rather, implemented a simple one within the dosbox dynrec framework Jul 20 17:23:41 rm-you: no, the color bug Jul 20 17:24:09 pupnik: no, is it true? Jul 20 17:24:38 as far as I can tell yes, i haven't had time to try it on the tablet Jul 20 17:24:58 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?act=ST&f=45&t=42726 Jul 20 17:31:32 Is there a recommended distro and version for developing for N8x0? Debian or ubuntu? sid or etch? gutsy or hardy? Jul 20 17:32:57 pupnik: somehow, I suspect it will not be much faster.... Jul 20 17:33:13 edgester: hardy Jul 20 17:33:27 RST38h: thanks Jul 20 17:33:59 yes the author says as much. but maybe someone who knows x86 and ARM asm would see something to improve? :) Jul 20 17:34:08 hi everybody :) Jul 20 17:34:10 just plantin seeds... Jul 20 17:34:13 I'm wondering if my build environment is pooched, so I was thinking of rebuild my dev VM Jul 20 17:34:30 but I get similar errors from the autobuilder :( Jul 20 17:34:39 so it might not be my box Jul 20 17:35:03 pupnik: x86 address translation is a bitch. no way around it. Jul 20 17:35:37 Is the maemo devel vm updated for diablo? Jul 20 17:35:46 General, can you please give me a link to the advanced backlight theme archive? Jul 20 17:36:19 in theory you should be able to use chinook sdk just fine Jul 20 17:36:22 wazd: most of them are in the base package Jul 20 17:36:50 oh, hi rm_you :) Jul 20 17:36:51 wazd: the only one I know of that isn't is one of my custom ones that looks like shit, but it is posted on the forum :) Jul 20 17:37:06 * RST38h is dangerously close to having to write trace loggers and compare utiluty Jul 20 17:37:12 RST38h: I must compile diablo kernel modules Jul 20 17:37:13 wazd: yeah, we really need to start a theme archive, as such... Jul 20 17:37:24 :) Jul 20 17:37:28 edgester: oh Jul 20 17:37:37 and I need to split out the extra icon themes into a package called advanced-backlight-icons Jul 20 17:37:51 rm_you: nono, I just wanted a pack of files to create my own :) Jul 20 17:38:08 wazd: look at benson's post on ITT Jul 20 17:38:21 ok Jul 20 17:38:22 rmyou: its really better to keep themes for diff apps together somewhere Jul 20 17:38:23 wazd: he has an excellent script to get started with that, and that will give you the full set of icons Jul 20 17:38:50 wazd: the spec is now at 70 icons <_< though you can get away with 42 Jul 20 17:38:58 RST38h: ? Jul 20 17:39:17 rmyou: like they have themes for gnome etc Jul 20 17:39:47 every theme contains stuff for many different applications from different authors Jul 20 17:40:46 RST38h: right, we tried for integration like that, but it doesn't really work for us Jul 20 17:40:57 RST38h: because we have iconsets that have no relation at all to what theme you are in Jul 20 17:41:08 yep Jul 20 17:41:26 rm_you: thanks, already got it :) Jul 20 17:41:31 wazd: :) Jul 20 17:42:20 I've found some funky stuff today :) http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/NewIcons.html#AndrewZhilin Jul 20 17:42:48 I'm feeling like Tyler Durden from the Fight Club :) Jul 20 17:43:21 lol? Jul 20 17:43:32 emacs icons?! >_> Jul 20 17:43:35 A guy with same name and surname is a designer in opensource too :) Jul 20 17:43:42 ah lol Jul 20 17:44:05 but thats not me, I don't remember me dealing with Emacs :) Jul 20 17:44:42 heh Jul 20 17:45:52 I want to make something like that: http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/0807/bd/fcecb5191b45.jpg Jul 20 17:47:19 rm_you: what do you think?) Jul 20 17:47:58 wazd: that is cool i think, though you would have to really get used to which is volume and which is brightness Jul 20 17:48:10 wazd: benson's script CAN be used to make that though Jul 20 17:48:29 wazd: but you would need to increase the number of bars in one section as there are more brightness levels than volume Jul 20 17:48:59 rm_you: I was thinking to make color definition :) Jul 20 17:49:12 I agree, was going to suggest that :p Jul 20 17:50:23 omfg yes Jul 20 17:50:26 FINALLY Jul 20 17:50:46 been massaging this CSV to get it to import correctly to SQLite for like 4 hours Jul 20 17:54:36 rm_you: and talking about gradations, maybe if i'll siplify grightness that would not be big crime ^^ Jul 20 17:54:47 heh i suppose you could Jul 20 17:54:49 brightness* Jul 20 17:55:00 people might revolt Jul 20 17:55:02 not jott tho Jul 20 17:55:25 he thinks there should be no icon for brightness :P (since, you know... you can just LOOK and see how bright it is) :P Jul 20 17:56:02 rm_you: actually I think so too ;) Jul 20 17:56:06 lol Jul 20 17:56:16 well, you can do whatever you want, it's your iconset Jul 20 17:57:09 rm_you: When i've switched theme I suddenly got icon dissappeared. That was cool, mabe you can add an option to remove icon at all?) Jul 20 17:57:16 where is the host csv from rm_you ? Jul 20 17:57:24 lcuk_codin: upcdatabase Jul 20 17:57:29 cos i thought csv was a standard format - link? Jul 20 17:57:43 lcuk_codin: it is, but sqlite isn't designed to import this Jul 20 17:57:53 lcuk_codin: sqlite doesn't understand quoting Jul 20 17:58:12 it does - if it understands csv it should anyway Jul 20 17:58:15 lcuk_codin: i really should have imported it into something else that is full featured and understands quoting, then exported it as like, SQL Jul 20 17:58:30 lcuk_codin: but i was, again, very tired when i started this process Jul 20 17:58:35 so i didnt think of that till this morning Jul 20 17:58:42 but i was already pretty much dome Jul 20 17:58:44 *done Jul 20 17:59:09 ick Jul 20 17:59:17 -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 82374656 2008-07-20 10:57 upc.db Jul 20 17:59:17 -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 30914724 2008-07-20 10:57 upc.db.gz Jul 20 17:59:28 pain Jul 20 17:59:29 lol Jul 20 18:00:04 we will need BOTH options Jul 20 18:00:08 * lcuk_codin considers putting down the IDE. coding and wine aren't the best combination Jul 20 18:00:13 use local db, or if not present, use internet Jul 20 18:00:23 lol Jul 20 18:00:28 just use local anyway - saves a whole doubling up on code Jul 20 18:00:34 just warn them if its out of date? Jul 20 18:00:35 lcuk_codin: try cola :) Jul 20 18:00:48 lcuk_codin: but if they dont want to download and store 85mb >_> Jul 20 18:00:58 01 Jul 2008 upcdatabase-2008.07.01.tar.gz 17.32MB Jul 20 18:01:25 lcuk_codin: that is plaintext Jul 20 18:01:40 lcuk_codin: in SQLite it doubles Jul 20 18:01:51 yes, that is all they have to download though. even after this - it gets smaller because they have diffs Jul 20 18:01:51 but crazyfast lookup Jul 20 18:02:01 lcuk_codin: that isnt sqlite Jul 20 18:02:04 Ah, BTW, can anybody finaly explain the situation in A2DP in Diablo?) i got it working in Chinook but can't do it in Diablo( Jul 20 18:02:04 i KNOW it needs converting Jul 20 18:02:20 ... Jul 20 18:02:20 but thats the maximum download required. once they have it, its done and ready Jul 20 18:02:26 lcuk_codin: in what way Jul 20 18:02:32 lcuk_codin: that isnt usable for sqlite Jul 20 18:03:22 haven't you just written an import? Jul 20 18:03:26 no Jul 20 18:03:37 about 8 different sed lines Jul 20 18:03:43 used in various orders Jul 20 18:03:46 and manual tweaking Jul 20 18:03:55 is the data contained in that file now inside an sqlite database? Jul 20 18:04:00 yes Jul 20 18:04:05 then you have written an import Jul 20 18:04:11 ? Jul 20 18:04:15 no matter how inefficient it is at the moment Jul 20 18:04:25 a lot of it was by hand >_> Jul 20 18:04:38 manually changing the text Jul 20 18:04:48 i dont consider that "writing an import" Jul 20 18:05:20 ok, i just looked inside the file, it does follow standard csv guidelines? Jul 20 18:05:33 SQLite doesn't >_> Jul 20 18:05:56 like i said, would have been faster to import to a better SQL system and re-export as something else Jul 20 18:06:19 insert into tblUPN values( $linefromfile ) Jul 20 18:06:35 ... Jul 20 18:06:38 sql quoting uses the same syntax for quoting characters i believ Jul 20 18:06:48 hrm Jul 20 18:06:52 i shall check Jul 20 18:07:46 Does anybody know where I can find source codes of xomap? Jul 20 18:08:35 lcuk_codin: omg i think i hate you :P Jul 20 18:08:38 cvs, svn or some src-deb ? Jul 20 18:08:40 rm_you, it might blow up on empty fields in this example, not sure of the specfifics of how it will work Jul 20 18:08:51 im used to filling each field in Jul 20 18:09:09 sed -i 's/\(.*\)/insert into items values(\1)/' items.csv Jul 20 18:09:11 it is now in SQL syntax Jul 20 18:09:32 >_< Jul 20 18:10:07 does it work though? Jul 20 18:10:11 sqlite3 upc.db < items.csv Jul 20 18:10:13 appears to Jul 20 18:10:20 and... Jul 20 18:10:21 .... Jul 20 18:10:50 ;-) Jul 20 18:11:00 fuck. it's working, Jul 20 18:11:02 FUCK Jul 20 18:11:06 * rm_you strangles lcuk_codin Jul 20 18:11:11 hahaha Jul 20 18:11:14 Cheers ;) Jul 20 18:11:29 i am going to make a rule Jul 20 18:11:39 no coding after i have been up for more than 10 hours Jul 20 18:11:45 it'll be tough, but worth it Jul 20 18:12:07 rm_you, everybody has similar moments Jul 20 18:12:23 *sigh* Jul 20 18:12:42 // lcuk: damn all this time i have been calculating planes and offsets and sizes i could have used Jul 20 18:12:42 // properties from the XVImage itself. Jul 20 18:12:42 // what a plonker i am, ahhh well too late to adjust right now, that will come later Jul 20 18:12:51 lol Jul 20 18:13:02 Nice ;) Jul 20 18:13:03 plonker :P <3 brits Jul 20 18:13:44 there is something wrong with a person who appears perfect. Everybody makes mistakes. Jul 20 18:14:07 yeah i thought I already made my horrible mistake for this week ;P Jul 20 18:14:09 ah well Jul 20 18:14:09 I'm curious how much I understand from all the different accents during the maemo summit Jul 20 18:14:43 oh god, mistake #3: not redirecting the output of that command to /dev/null Jul 20 18:14:57 * rm_you has to wait through the terminal spamming every SQL command it just ran Jul 20 18:15:12 Blafasel, :) i heard more accents at linuxtag than ihave done in a longtime. i came back home thinking with an accent and hoping i got to do it again. im going to the summit and am looking forward to it immensely Jul 20 18:15:28 ctrl + z and bg Jul 20 18:15:37 At least doesn't annoy anymore. Jul 20 18:16:08 pretty sure it will still output to stdout in that terminal? >_> Jul 20 18:16:20 disown %% && exit Jul 20 18:16:21 Nope ;) Jul 20 18:16:25 lol Jul 20 18:17:00 push it to dev/nul? Jul 20 18:17:38 lol, i really hope i can go to the summit <_< Jul 20 18:17:49 i may have to try to raise the money myself <_< Jul 20 18:17:57 maybe i will do a bakesale Jul 20 18:18:14 ... or go stand up in the engineering department with a sign "will code C for $25 an hour" Jul 20 18:18:17 sell copies of bitbake and some wine? Jul 20 18:20:56 lcuk_codin: and somehow the database file is even smaller Jul 20 18:20:57 fsck Jul 20 18:21:10 oh i know why Jul 20 18:21:13 lol Jul 20 18:21:31 anywho... Jul 20 18:21:33 does it now only contain 1 copy of each line Jul 20 18:21:59 no it's because i had fixed the empty fields to read "Not Available" *in* the db Jul 20 18:22:09 which that should just be done in the app when it gets a blank response Jul 20 18:22:16 yes Jul 20 18:22:22 i wasnt sure how it would take blank fields tho Jul 20 18:22:27 but in this method it works fine Jul 20 18:22:32 .import is sketchy <_< Jul 20 18:22:45 just skipping it with a blank item "field1ok",,"field3ok" Jul 20 18:22:51 yes Jul 20 18:22:55 cool Jul 20 18:22:59 .import didnt like it tho Jul 20 18:23:04 but meh :P Jul 20 18:23:17 awesome, time to move to step 2 Jul 20 18:23:19 coding :P Jul 20 18:23:39 does the version of sqlite that you have used require explicit installation or can you recompile it using the standardly available one Jul 20 18:23:51 i will check Jul 20 18:24:23 obviously if would be better with the standard one Jul 20 18:26:08 rm_you: Where're you're from? Long way to Berlin? Jul 20 18:26:53 Blafasel: Texas :P Jul 20 18:27:35 Ouch Jul 20 18:27:44 google maps says it will take you 3 months to get to berlin. some of which involves a peddlo Jul 20 18:28:14 lol Jul 20 18:29:14 wow Jul 20 18:32:47 lcuk_codin: ok, also wrote a script called import.sh that will do everything, from having the original csv in the directory to having a nice database, using the shipper version of sqlite Jul 20 18:33:00 \o/ Jul 20 18:33:40 how long does an import take? Jul 20 18:34:19 a while. Jul 20 18:34:33 want me to time it? >_> Jul 20 18:34:37 multiple minutes Jul 20 18:34:41 i know that much Jul 20 18:34:48 on my 2.4ghz PC Jul 20 18:35:07 on device yer, we would know then if it can be something the user is asked about at startup or an explicit action Jul 20 18:35:42 hmmm, i wonder if a desktop app would help then Jul 20 18:36:00 the desktop downloads and converts for the tablet app? Jul 20 18:36:14 not vital yet, you have a standard base import anyway Jul 20 18:37:17 lcuk_codin: tempted to say "Option 1: download the finished database from here (35mb, less CPU time); Option 2: download the database from here and import it (17mb, multiple minutes CPU time)" Jul 20 18:37:35 i know i would choose option 1 Jul 20 18:37:44 Seconded Jul 20 18:37:49 i have ridiculous bandwidth Jul 20 18:37:56 but 56kers could choose option 2 :P Jul 20 18:37:57 yes, agreed, some people have no bandwidth issues Jul 20 18:37:58 i.e. unlimited. ;) Jul 20 18:38:04 but 56kers could choose option 2 :P Jul 20 18:38:51 im wondering if this is needed at all ;) Jul 20 18:38:55 ? Jul 20 18:39:05 the software should try to work iwthout anythinganyway Jul 20 18:39:14 well right Jul 20 18:39:27 this is just fancy save your fingers a tiny bit of work Jul 20 18:39:27 why i said, provide both, internet lookup and local DB Jul 20 18:40:14 and an interface for "oh crap i still cant find the description" Jul 20 18:40:24 yeah Jul 20 18:40:28 pops google? :P Jul 20 18:41:12 lcuk_codin: 8 minutes and counting on my DESKTOP.... Jul 20 18:41:19 lcuk_codin: still not nearly done Jul 20 18:41:37 hmm Jul 20 18:41:48 though *possibly* flash memory would drastically improve time Jul 20 18:42:08 as, it doesnt actually looks to be CPU intensive but for 1/10th of the time Jul 20 18:42:08 rest is disk access i think Jul 20 18:42:27 i will test on tablet Jul 20 18:47:07 11:43 Jul 20 18:47:18 that is start time for ease of remembering :P Jul 20 18:47:22 will see when it ends Jul 20 18:48:05 4 minutes to go from .csv -> .sql Jul 20 18:48:15 11:47 starting on import Jul 20 18:49:01 this is going to take at least 30 more minutes on my deskto Jul 20 18:49:04 *p Jul 20 18:49:13 so i will start on coding Jul 20 18:50:24 rm_you: How's the barcode stuff coming along? Jul 20 18:51:05 derf: datamatrix is almost there i think with the use of libdmtx, 1d looks excellent, right now i am working on database lookup of UPC to display product info Jul 20 18:51:10 never got to the QR stuff :( Jul 20 18:51:18 Aw well. Jul 20 18:51:42 I personally got totally distracted by polynomial root finding in finite fields. Jul 20 18:51:49 he Jul 20 18:51:51 *heh Jul 20 18:51:53 But on the plus side, R-S decoding should be loads faster if there are few errors. Jul 20 18:52:36 :P Jul 20 18:59:40 Anybody knows who uploaded ttf-dejavu to extras? It cannot be installed. Jul 20 19:02:56 Reading state information... Done Jul 20 19:02:56 ttf-dejavu is already the newest version. Jul 20 19:03:01 ?? Jul 20 19:04:18 actually, i dont see it in extras Jul 20 19:05:32 ttf-dejavu depends on defomap Jul 20 19:05:41 and defomap is not in extras, it's in sdk Jul 20 19:06:14 here's it in extras: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/t/ttf-dejavu/ Jul 20 19:10:55 weird it isnt showing up in apt-cache policy, and i just updated Jul 20 19:17:17 rm_you: apt-cache policy ttf-dejavu works for me Jul 20 19:17:38 zap: i mean, it shows up, just not as being in extras Jul 20 19:18:05 2.15-1osso1 0 Jul 20 19:18:05 500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free Packages Jul 20 19:18:09 thats how it shows for me Jul 20 19:21:41 lcuk_codin: wait, nm, looks like it broke on an odd symbol... will have to do a LITTLE more work with sed, but looks simple Jul 20 19:26:00 lcuk_codin: it doesnt like unquoted strings, which that includes Jul 20 19:26:10 prolly why it was taking forever Jul 20 19:26:19 it was trying to deal with them gracefully and failing Jul 20 19:26:47 0000000235525,"5.5 Oz.","""Trader Joe's"" Tuna for Cats" Jul 20 19:26:54 which code fails? Jul 20 19:27:04 sorry not answered, been grabbin a brew Jul 20 19:27:38 heh Jul 20 19:28:16 ahhh i see, items without spaces are unquoted Jul 20 19:28:34 0076795147022,,FRAME Jul 20 19:28:49 0076795141815,5X7,"IC FRAME 5X7 PEWTER W/BEAD" Jul 20 19:29:14 i didnt get that far down, damn Jul 20 19:29:26 yes Jul 20 19:29:32 working on it Jul 20 19:29:35 first one is Jul 20 19:29:44 s/,,/,"",/ Jul 20 19:29:44 s/\([0-9]*\),\([a-zA-Z0-9]*\),/\1,"\2",/ Jul 20 19:29:57 dont like that tho Jul 20 19:30:07 cant understand that anyway Jul 20 19:30:10 need to include symbols not just alphanumerics Jul 20 19:30:16 [a-zA-Z0-9]* Jul 20 19:30:21 that's fugly Jul 20 19:30:24 yeah Jul 20 19:30:29 * is way too greedy Jul 20 19:30:31 :alphanum: wasnt working Jul 20 19:30:36 no that is fine Jul 20 19:30:38 lol crashanddie you sound like a girl sayin that Jul 20 19:30:38 how long max ? Jul 20 19:30:46 my missus talks about shoes bein fugly Jul 20 19:30:59 crashanddie: we're dealing with CSV Jul 20 19:30:59 lcuk_codin, yeah, but your missus married you Jul 20 19:31:03 0076795141815,5X7,"IC FRAME 5X7 PEWTER W/BEAD" would fail Jul 20 19:31:17 0074305060038,2.8oz,"Bragg All Natural Herb Seasoning" Jul 20 19:31:22 that i mean, damn laggy c&p Jul 20 19:31:29 yeah Jul 20 19:31:30 i know Jul 20 19:31:35 need to include symbols, like i said Jul 20 19:31:45 need a good premade group Jul 20 19:31:56 i forget what they are Jul 20 19:32:07 i wonder just how long it would take to manually scan and insert those at runtime without trying to do a full db Jul 20 19:32:09 i thought [:alphanum:] was one Jul 20 19:32:27 rm_you: alnum :) Jul 20 19:32:29 turbo read lines with a single index tree built up from the primary key Jul 20 19:32:35 GAH Jul 20 19:32:41 thats it thanks AStorm Jul 20 19:32:43 rm_you: actually, [:graph:] is best Jul 20 19:32:55 AStorm: cant include quotes Jul 20 19:32:59 most alnums don't grab diacritics Jul 20 19:33:11 rm_you: then what about [^"] Jul 20 19:33:13 yeah Jul 20 19:33:15 was using that Jul 20 19:33:17 which means everything except quote Jul 20 19:33:20 i know Jul 20 19:33:22 :) Jul 20 19:33:22 but Jul 20 19:33:32 actually if i could get ^" && ^, working... Jul 20 19:33:37 is it [^",] Jul 20 19:33:40 it is Jul 20 19:33:41 or [^"^,] Jul 20 19:33:41 :) Jul 20 19:33:47 the first option Jul 20 19:33:49 k Jul 20 19:33:53 it wasnt working for some reason Jul 20 19:34:07 is it legal to allocate a single block of memory of 47mb on this device ;) Jul 20 19:34:19 well works now Jul 20 19:35:19 ok Jul 20 19:35:20 s/\([0-9]*\),\([^",]*\),/\1,"\2",/ Jul 20 19:35:25 lcuk_codin: well, pushing it, but should work Jul 20 19:35:42 eh? Jul 20 19:35:45 look decent? Jul 20 19:35:51 ok, just load up an index table generated form the file Jul 20 19:36:09 the index just stores the offset into the file for a particular ID Jul 20 19:36:23 no need to convert and is just available always Jul 20 19:37:46 also s/,\([^",]*\));$/,"\1");/ Jul 20 19:37:51 for the end of line ones Jul 20 19:38:58 rm_you, sounds reasonable, that will convert it to include blank quotes? Jul 20 19:39:11 i believe so Jul 20 19:39:17 ran into a problem tho, sec Jul 20 19:39:50 i messed something up in my original testing Jul 20 19:39:57 need to reset the file real quick Jul 20 19:40:27 back later on Jul 20 19:40:37 k Jul 20 19:42:07 ~lart weddings Jul 20 19:42:07 * infobot shoves a crumpet down weddings's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? Jul 20 19:44:01 GAH was missing an important bit of that regexp Jul 20 19:45:19 * jott hands rm_you an handcrafted parser Jul 20 19:46:27 my brain parses limited regexp :P Jul 20 19:47:14 Hi there Jul 20 19:47:26 hey Jul 20 19:47:45 hello rm_you! :) Jul 20 19:49:36 jott: do u have update qgtkstyle in the repository? Jul 20 19:50:24 GNUton: no not yet Jul 20 19:53:37 jott: ok Jul 20 19:54:12 Mek the guy that works on plasma for N810 and Openmoko Jul 20 19:54:28 had contacted me this morning and... Jul 20 19:54:53 this is his RMB code http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/soc-plasma-sff/kdebase/workspace/plasma/plasma/plasmaapp.cpp?revision=826078&view=markup Jul 20 19:56:34 unfortunatelly it doesn´t work fine, and it should be reviewed. Jul 20 19:57:15 I´m going to port it when I´ve a bit of free time. Jul 20 19:58:19 this week (I hope) I´ll move Qt4 in extra-devel Jul 20 19:58:52 speaking of hope, isn't the last hope soon? or did I miss it Jul 20 20:00:57 GNUton: that would be handy, then porting sqlite-browser would be much easier :P Jul 20 20:04:45 bbl, afk for a bit while i wait for this database to import Jul 20 20:06:47 rm_you: yes I thin that having Qt in extra-devel is very handly.. I hope to see more Qt app in extra-devel soon. Jul 20 20:06:58 think Jul 20 20:09:45 Churl: The last Hope was mentioned on /. recently. Yesterday? Jul 20 20:12:37 Which last Hope? Jul 20 20:13:40 Hackers On Planet Earth Jul 20 20:14:35 moo, all Jul 20 20:17:01 ljp / lpotter: how is the right mouse button handling in qtopia solved? Jul 20 20:18:14 hm RightOnHold Jul 20 20:19:52 ttf-dejavu should be in user/themes, in user/office, user/support or in user/other ? Jul 20 20:21:58 GNUton: http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=blob;f=src/libraries/qtopia/qtopiaapplication.cpp look for RightOnHold and PressTickWidget Jul 20 20:25:34 looks quite handy.. Jul 20 20:26:30 Woot! Typing this on a networked OS X box :-) Jul 20 20:26:57 wow! os x has network support nowadays? Jul 20 20:27:06 ;) Jul 20 20:27:36 Regarding git: I really like the git bisect stuff. Wish more SCM tools would support something similar (or maybe I just need to learn more about them) Jul 20 20:27:45 jott: Depends on the err, hardware, you, err, use. Jul 20 20:28:05 Thief! Jul 20 20:28:28 * Jaffa wants to rename 770Flasher.app, and that's about it Jul 20 20:29:55 is there a 770Flasher for intel macs yet? Jul 20 20:30:17 Apparently it works as-is, but never having had an Intel Mac, I've no way to check. Jul 20 20:30:25 Also might be interesting to try porting 0xffff to OS X Jul 20 20:36:21 well i tried it on my intel mac, doesn't work Jul 20 20:37:26 hi, jaffa Jul 20 20:39:35 hmmm.. any info on the flash 10 beta? Jul 20 20:46:02 jott: this code is very interesting! Jul 20 20:46:23 GNUton: yes looks reusable and works fine on my greenphone ;> Jul 20 20:46:36 jott: have you a greenphone? :) Jul 20 20:46:46 yes ;) Jul 20 20:46:48 great! :) Jul 20 20:47:48 jott: Do you know other interesting code to take from Qtopia? Jul 20 20:48:16 uhm probably there are some parts. depends on what you want to achieve.. Jul 20 20:51:34 the virtual predictive keyboard is nice .. Jul 20 20:52:02 but i guess many parts do not match with desktop qt applications Jul 20 20:52:57 ok.. Jul 20 20:53:04 hey I´m very very tired.. Jul 20 20:53:14 I´ll go to sleep! Jul 20 20:53:25 ok, sleep well and see you around! Jul 20 20:54:09 jott: I´m going to be there every evening! :) Jul 20 20:54:33 my client should be always on anyway ;) Jul 20 20:54:59 jott: thank you for your idea.. and let me know when you update qgtkstyle in the repository.. you can add also your patch. Jul 20 20:55:23 thank you and hav a good night. Jul 20 20:55:53 Hmm, if I invoke the terminal font selection dialog, I can see a font called "MHeiGB18030C-Medium", it looks like garbage. Is this present on all systems, or I broke something on mine? Jul 20 20:59:02 flasher-2.0 works ok on my MacBook Pro Jul 20 20:59:21 zap: ask google: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/fontconfig-monotype-nohint.patch ;) Jul 20 20:59:42 jott: have you got the same font? Jul 20 20:59:48 ah indeed Jul 20 21:00:06 what a mess really Jul 20 21:00:11 yeah i have it too Jul 20 21:00:44 sounds like a cjk font ;) Jul 20 21:00:52 yep Jul 20 21:01:11 looks like yet another badly designed patch Jul 20 21:01:16 * lcuk_codin has 25 mini mes on screen. Jul 20 21:02:07 or even like a bug in freetype Jul 20 21:02:24 this statement shouldn't imho result in a new virtual font appearing Jul 20 21:02:38 it just tries to disable hinting for certain font, which is not present in the system Jul 20 21:04:05 zap: yeh, well it's an actual font Jul 20 21:04:14 is it installed? Jul 20 21:04:14 zap: /usr/share/fonts/chinese/MHei18030C5.ttf Jul 20 21:04:21 %-O ah ok Jul 20 21:04:44 just a bit... erm... creative naming ;) Jul 20 21:05:42 I am trying to troubleshoot a battery draining very fast. The only issue I see is that every time the touch screen is pressed, there is a static through the speakers for several seconds. The static is more audible when headphones are used. Could this explain why the battery drains so fast? Jul 20 21:07:08 try to reflash the device, if this persists - go to repair Jul 20 21:07:53 Okay, the nokia 1-800 repair did not know the answer. I think there might be some short inside the circuitry. Jul 20 21:09:11 that could be Jul 20 21:09:24 m-c: is that with a vanilla flashed diablo image? Jul 20 21:09:38 Yes, plain old OS2008 Jul 20 21:09:47 without any apps installed? Jul 20 21:10:19 I have the Ogg Vorbis compatibility package installed and Gpodder Jul 20 21:11:09 But I have reflashed the device a couple times and the static - it is more like a hiss - is still there. Jul 20 21:11:41 mh yeah well bring it to service as long as it has warranty ... Jul 20 21:12:15 I am afraid they will just reflash it and then send it back, after saying it passes all their tests. Jul 20 21:12:56 how long does the battery hold? Jul 20 21:13:36 Depends on the use, but about 24 hours with moderate use with 30 mins of music. Jul 20 21:14:21 in offline mode? Jul 20 21:14:29 turn the brightness down as far as you feel comfortable, you wont miss much Jul 20 21:14:47 About a quarter of the time it is in offline more and the brightness is turned down. Jul 20 21:14:48 and you will extend your battery life by a long way Jul 20 21:15:10 m-c: you are not using adhoc wifi are you? Jul 20 21:15:11 but why does it need to be bright any of the time? Jul 20 21:15:19 I know most would say that it is not a problem, but I have another unit that lasts 4-5x as long. Jul 20 21:15:43 No adhoc wifi Jul 20 21:16:02 lcuk_codin: database STILL importing Jul 20 21:16:16 eugh not feasible that way then Jul 20 21:16:23 possibly looking at 2 hours Jul 20 21:16:25 >_> Jul 20 21:16:52 but yeah, import requires: Jul 20 21:17:03 m-c: hmm well, if you think it's noticeable worse then check with service.. or ask qwerty12 he has the nokia service software :P Jul 20 21:17:27 :-) Okay, thanks for your thoughts, jott Jul 20 21:17:29 sed 's/\(.*\)/insert into items values(\1);/' items.csv > items.sql Jul 20 21:17:29 sed -i 's/\(insert into items values([0-9]*\),\([^",]*\),/\1,"\2",/' items.sql Jul 20 21:17:29 sed -i 's/,\([^",]*\));$/,"\1");/' items.sql Jul 20 21:17:29 sed -i 's/\\/\\\\/g' items.sql Jul 20 21:17:49 need to work on combining those Jul 20 21:17:54 or not worry about it Jul 20 21:17:59 either way :P Jul 20 21:18:16 lcuk_codin: IT FINISHED Jul 20 21:18:18 omfg Jul 20 21:18:39 lol Jul 20 21:18:46 dont delete that file now ;) Jul 20 21:19:04 and now the stresstest: select elephant from africa; Jul 20 21:19:30 where earsize>25 group by tusklength;; Jul 20 21:19:57 lol Jul 20 21:20:03 throw a UPC at me Jul 20 21:20:11 from anywhere around you Jul 20 21:20:17 lets test this db Jul 20 21:20:24 5410133831153 Jul 20 21:20:31 heh it failed for stuff i tested :P Jul 20 21:20:34 but i added it Jul 20 21:20:53 5x50 Rizla green rolling papers multipack Jul 20 21:20:53 i guess a big part of it are us products Jul 20 21:21:11 lcuk_codin: :P Jul 20 21:21:18 yup Jul 20 21:21:23 its the only barcode nearby Jul 20 21:21:35 sqlite> select * from items where upc="5410133831153"; Jul 20 21:21:35 5410133831153 5 x 50 Rizla green rolling papers multipack Jul 20 21:21:41 :) Jul 20 21:21:45 ok, time for coding Jul 20 21:21:53 hello I'm getting: /scratchbox/login --> permission denied: /scratchbox/login, help :) Jul 20 21:21:53 I will save this DB to my server so it is DLable Jul 20 21:21:56 damn glad i didnt give you the code from the other packet Jul 20 21:22:02 lol??? :P Jul 20 21:22:04 yigal: check you are in the sbox group Jul 20 21:22:10 jott: I am Jul 20 21:22:20 yigal: have you logged out/in? Jul 20 21:22:27 yigal: or started a new session? Jul 20 21:23:13 jott: by starting a new session, does that mean opening a new shell, ${z,ba}sh ? Jul 20 21:23:28 lcuk_codin: now we are curious ;O Jul 20 21:23:39 jott: I'm in a 32bit chroot, in a 64bit system Jul 20 21:23:41 yigal: "ssh localhost" Jul 20 21:24:03 (as in new parent pid) Jul 20 21:24:37 jott: first have to install it in the chroot :), 1 min. Jul 20 21:24:49 only thing near me: Jul 20 21:24:50 sqlite> select * from items where upc="0022100001701"; Jul 20 21:24:50 0022100001701 PABST 24/12 OZ 2/12 CANS Jul 20 21:25:29 admit it. you just hunted through the database for something manly :P Jul 20 21:25:35 pft nope :P Jul 20 21:25:43 not that I drink this pisswater Jul 20 21:25:50 my roommate does :P Jul 20 21:25:59 jott: when I ssh localhost it takes me outside of the chroot Jul 20 21:26:26 just chroot again ;) Jul 20 21:26:31 rm_you, we know you really meant to show us "0000014248573,,"pink heart shaped dish with ""BE MINE"",""HUG ME"", ""TRUE LOVE"" on each corner" Jul 20 21:26:44 yigal: or just log out and relogin... Jul 20 21:26:52 ROFL Jul 20 21:27:10 haha Jul 20 21:27:18 all the other shit i have here is japanese and most of it is not in the DB :P Jul 20 21:27:42 jott: ok, now it says Scratchbox is not properly set up! Jul 20 21:27:45 yeah yeah Jul 20 21:28:19 yigal: mmmh.. Jul 20 21:28:19 OMFG damn! Jul 20 21:28:31 rm_you, you shouldnt have put your camera on the internet Jul 20 21:28:36 i just found what it scanned Jul 20 21:28:37 0000014122996,,"Fleshlight Insert: Vagina - P/N: PVSW" Jul 20 21:28:43 rofl Jul 20 21:28:53 yigal: maybe you need to make sure it's properly installed :/ .. i never tried it in a 32bit chroot... Jul 20 21:28:56 :D that database is a goldmine Jul 20 21:29:06 yeah all kinda of hilarious products :P Jul 20 21:29:19 jott: should I have scratchbox-devicetools installed? Jul 20 21:29:21 yeah jott, he should make sure its properly installed Jul 20 21:29:33 -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 100322304 2008-07-20 14:27 upc.db Jul 20 21:29:42 -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 33765290 2008-07-20 14:17 upc.db.gz Jul 20 21:29:42 -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 26438747 2008-07-20 14:28 upc.db.bz2 Jul 20 21:29:52 lcuk_codin: making the bz2 available Jul 20 21:30:02 6417182799310 is missing :/ Jul 20 21:30:07 im just readin the csv Jul 20 21:30:24 jott: after doing a dpkg -l scratch*, the one package that isn't installed is scratchbox-devicetools Jul 20 21:30:27 yigal: you should just follow the manual. .:/ Jul 20 21:30:30 jott: I just used the script Jul 20 21:30:34 mhmh Jul 20 21:30:51 lcuk_codin: heh Jul 20 21:31:01 maemo-scratchbox-install_4.1.sh* Jul 20 21:31:12 * Jaffa beds Jul 20 21:31:16 yigal: what distribution? Jul 20 21:31:22 rm_you, lookup 0031901925482 Jul 20 21:31:34 jott: I'm using debian testing Jul 20 21:31:42 ROFL Jul 20 21:31:43 lcuk_codin: wtf :P Jul 20 21:31:48 extra wide :P Jul 20 21:31:54 its extra wide!! Jul 20 21:31:56 jott: should I make a ubuntu chroot Jul 20 21:32:03 lcuk_codin: you are so horrible :P Jul 20 21:32:08 ok im officially needing the toilet Jul 20 21:32:29 :O 0031901925482 Jul 20 21:32:30 your brain *is* the toilet Jul 20 21:32:36 yigal: mmmh well might be worth a try but debian should actually work Jul 20 21:32:53 jott: this is what I thought? Jul 20 21:32:54 yigal: sorry no further ideas atm... Jul 20 21:32:55 well after that first one i had to see what else i could buy Jul 20 21:33:18 lcuk_codin / jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc.db.bz2 Jul 20 21:33:21 yigal: maybe check/write to itt or the mailing lists.. Jul 20 21:33:26 jott: thanks for the time, will revisit the problem another day Jul 20 21:33:36 how the hell did that last one get into the system? Jul 20 21:33:48 SQLite v2.8 db, works with libsqlite0 and sqlite Jul 20 21:33:56 0070847812968 <<< that one i mean Jul 20 21:34:18 LOL Jul 20 21:34:21 no idea Jul 20 21:34:22 pain Jul 20 21:34:31 prolly someone submitted it to be an ass Jul 20 21:34:33 lcuk_codin: it's a public database Jul 20 21:34:48 go to upcdatabase.com and submit your dream product ;) Jul 20 21:34:52 0700304001931 Jul 20 21:35:03 lol Jul 20 21:35:26 stop grepping for nasty words lcuk_codin :P Jul 20 21:35:42 ok, ill search for good words Jul 20 21:36:41 so if i printed out some barcodes with these items onto stickers and stuck them randomly around the shopping centre will the checkout ladies get a shock? Jul 20 21:36:54 LOL Jul 20 21:37:23 ;) Jul 20 21:37:46 it will at least give lbt a shock if i choose the store carefully Jul 20 21:38:13 anybody can suggest an application which has a font selection dialog? Jul 20 21:38:35 * lcuk_codin needs one of those as well Jul 20 21:39:16 zap: xfontsel? :) Jul 20 21:39:27 no, I mean a gtk app Jul 20 21:39:58 abiword? Jul 20 21:40:04 maemopad+ Jul 20 21:40:15 xorunal probably too Jul 20 21:40:20 xournal Jul 20 21:41:15 hmm, none of them in diablo-extras Jul 20 21:41:22 mh? Jul 20 21:41:23 not? Jul 20 21:41:30 Xterm has a font selection dialog Jul 20 21:41:55 xterm does not qualify, it shows just 4 fonts Jul 20 21:42:02 no idea why, thats what I want to check Jul 20 21:42:17 4== a selection Jul 20 21:42:34 not a great selection, but a selection all the same Jul 20 21:42:51 im trying to instal PyGTKEditor on my n810 and it needs python-pygtksourceview which in turn needs kernal-diablo-flasher and libxml2juuiiii. Anyone know where i can get these/ Jul 20 21:42:52 ? Jul 20 21:43:48 zap, Notes App? Format -> Fonts.. Jul 20 21:44:06 cool, thanks Jul 20 21:44:56 damnit, 4 fonts too Jul 20 21:45:19 * zap is confused Jul 20 21:45:33 which font are you missing? Jul 20 21:45:52 I made my own dejavu package and installed it Jul 20 21:45:57 still can't get any app to show it Jul 20 21:46:02 although fc-list does Jul 20 21:48:37 zap: tried to reboot? ;) Jul 20 21:48:41 not yet Jul 20 21:48:51 but I would like to get it working without reboot Jul 20 21:50:42 this tutorial lies -> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_AddFonts/ Jul 20 21:55:19 practisevoodoo, are you sure you need kernal-diablo-flasher, it sounds liek a heavy package Jul 20 21:55:36 i never needed anything like that when i installed it Jul 20 21:56:12 i believe it was only the main package and sourceview Jul 20 21:56:34 4 Jul 20 21:56:47 says i need python-pygtksourceview Jul 20 21:57:21 yes Jul 20 21:57:22 and when i try to get that it says i need flash-and-reboot Jul 20 21:57:22 , initfs-flasher Jul 20 21:57:22 , kernal-diablo-flasher Jul 20 21:57:22 , libxml2juuiiii Jul 20 21:57:50 apt-get -f install Jul 20 21:57:53 sounds a bit extreme Jul 20 21:58:03 A google search will turn up the explanation. Jul 20 21:58:32 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191277 Jul 20 21:58:37 well. a week of n810 on vacation is over. it *is* really useful when travelliing. Jul 20 21:58:38 mornin gan Jul 20 21:58:57 Howdy. Jul 20 21:58:58 veggen :) i loved having mine with mt Jul 20 21:59:02 thats weird, managed to download and instal it this time Jul 20 22:00:00 lcuk: three travel/hotel-confirmations stayed on n81 and was never printed. Jul 20 22:00:43 I'm up to date on mail,, after having used it at least twice a day to read mail. Jul 20 22:01:43 ..and mapping applications are useeful, although this time, my needs in that direction was very simple :) Jul 20 22:07:43 what is the default catalogue list? Jul 20 22:15:10 * RST38bis explodes in diabolical laughter Jul 20 22:15:46 hohohoho, the pokemon problem is FIXED!!! Jul 20 22:16:04 I'm not into pokemons Jul 20 22:16:51 are you into unaligned arm memory reads then? Jul 20 22:17:03 RST38: that phrase should be bookmarked :)) Jul 20 22:17:42 o_O %-O Jul 20 22:18:00 after reflashing I can't find maemo-get-passwd tool on the device %-O Jul 20 22:18:07 and this is the second time I get this Jul 20 22:18:33 mmmh, is it in some package? Jul 20 22:19:04 RST38, BTW, Marat, is that you?) Jul 20 22:19:46 wazd: well, I am one of Marats, thar is for sure. Jul 20 22:21:04 That was a reference to xkcd :P Jul 20 22:21:10 pretty http://uk.gizmodo.com/nokia%20touchscreen.jpg Jul 20 22:21:17 RST38: Sometimes I can't trust my eyes :) When I was a kid with Rover P3+ I was playing your emulators :) Jul 20 22:21:40 so similar to FreeRunner Jul 20 22:21:42 another sshot of the tube? Jul 20 22:22:24 wazd: that is me+Aaron Oneal Jul 20 22:23:01 RST38: yep, the author of MorphGear Jul 20 22:24:00 lcuk: the funny thing is, it is not even an nseries phone Jul 20 22:24:37 anybody can do "dpkg -S /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd" on his tablet? I don't understand anything. Jul 20 22:24:40 wazd: well, you can now play it on n8x0 as well. Jul 20 22:25:07 RST38bis: are they in diablo extras already? :) Jul 20 22:25:22 ~ $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd Jul 20 22:25:33 and the result? Jul 20 22:25:38 openssh-server: /usr/bin/maemo-get-passwd Jul 20 22:25:42 %-O Jul 20 22:25:44 thank you Jul 20 22:25:55 surprise :-\ Jul 20 22:26:02 lcuk: Well, I think it has too wide screen :) Jul 20 22:26:12 zap: not yet - get em from chinook extras for now Jul 20 22:28:30 RST38: pitty that Aaron left the project without sharing sources, morphGear was the only playable Genesis Emu on handhelds :( Jul 20 22:29:02 wazd: he has shared sources Jul 20 22:29:46 www.spicypixel.com Jul 20 22:30:07 RST38: I have "sources" link there not working Jul 20 22:31:09 As for him abandoning the project, it is mostly because of RL and unhealthy affliction with .net Jul 20 22:31:37 wazd: there should be information about svn Jul 20 22:32:12 I've found this: http://www.squish.net/generator/source.html Jul 20 22:33:15 RST38: well, then it was right choice Jul 20 22:33:33 wow the SQLite 2.x API is HORRIBLE Jul 20 22:33:37 .net or rl? Jul 20 22:33:37 why does anyone still use it Jul 20 22:34:04 what is horrible about it? Jul 20 22:34:07 wazd: sounds like a great opportunity to write a better playable Genesis Emu for handhelds ;) Jul 20 22:34:19 RST38: If RL = Real life then RL :) Jul 20 22:35:12 MangoFusion: I'm the last person on the whole planet to ask to make a port :) Jul 20 22:35:37 MangoFusion: there are animals after me :D Jul 20 22:35:48 haha Jul 20 22:36:25 mango: i would port my stuff to winmobile if i had winmobile Jul 20 22:36:37 ahoy hoy all, where would be the best place to go to find info on syncing the GPE calendar (os2007) to evolution? Jul 20 22:37:04 but it is so horrible that i can't make myself get even a debygging unit Jul 20 22:37:27 RST38: why not to try iPhone? It's a nice market Jul 20 22:37:54 wazd: there is no market for iphone Jul 20 22:38:19 RST38: official - maybe :) Jul 20 22:39:09 RST38: But guys like Rus project got their money for actually pirate soft :) Jul 20 22:39:18 you either write stuff for hacked handsets (and nobody will buy it) or you pay to jobs and he tells you to fuck off (no virtual machines allowed) Jul 20 22:40:22 RST38: Well, the situation with App Store is ridiculous, I aggree Jul 20 22:40:26 wazd: i am not making money pirating soft Jul 20 22:40:46 the only way apple is better than MS, is that Apple things tend to work. Jul 20 22:40:53 don't need a debugging unit. just need to spend some megabucks on visual studio. or if you want a cheaper solution, waste some time making a gcc cross-compiler. of course, this is all irrelevant if you don't have a winmobile device. :D Jul 20 22:41:01 Veggen: tell that to my ipod Jul 20 22:41:04 wazd: I do not really care about Apple Jul 20 22:41:09 i have half a dozen apps that all broke at the same time Jul 20 22:41:10 Veggen: you probbably haven't used macbook :) Jul 20 22:41:31 wazd: you are right :) Jul 20 22:41:31 btw, anyone here tried that pwnage tool with an iphone/ipod with the 2.0 firmware? Jul 20 22:41:44 mango: to reiterate: can't fully debug stuff on the simulator. Jul 20 22:41:48 yuck, why would i want to void my warranty ? Jul 20 22:42:09 Veggen: Apple products are 8told" to be seamless and shiny, bounded to work Jul 20 22:42:24 RST38x: that may be true, but then why would you want to debug winmobile stuff in the first place? i thought bugs were meant to be part of the experience! Jul 20 22:42:25 I teend to favour more oen platforms, alas it's Linux (and the BSDs) for me. Jul 20 22:43:07 mango: for winmobile maybe, for my stuff not. Jul 20 22:44:15 Hope they'll do something new in WM7 Jul 20 22:44:56 because now WM is really like an overmakeupped 120 yeared granny Jul 20 22:45:35 there won't be anything new Jul 20 22:45:41 hello im confused which platform to develop on..maemo or openmoko? Jul 20 22:45:56 and it won't magically start working. Jul 20 22:46:09 any ideas to make it portable for both platforms too? Jul 20 22:46:09 jag_: Maemo Jul 20 22:46:23 jag: what device do you own? Jul 20 22:46:39 actually i dont own either..but i want to and can buy only 1 :( Jul 20 22:46:46 to develop on Jul 20 22:46:53 RST38: Well, they promise new core, maybe it will chage something :) Jul 20 22:47:21 jag_: Maemo is way more spread Jul 20 22:47:30 anyone know which library i need to link to to support: init_sockaddr() or in a more general case, how do i find a library from a named reference? Jul 20 22:47:41 wazd: will add bugs. Jul 20 22:48:01 RST38: let's be optimists :) Jul 20 22:48:02 libsocket? Jul 20 22:48:20 wazd: with wince? Jul 20 22:48:31 RST38: yep Jul 20 22:48:39 no, i will rather be a realist. Jul 20 22:48:40 im looking to develop software musical instruments and the like..i can write good c/c++...can i go close to the metal with maemo? Jul 20 22:49:26 jag: no, but as there is no fm hardware in maemo, you will be fine Jul 20 22:49:42 jag_: its not about maemo but rather about the N8x0 device Jul 20 22:49:55 wave output is perfectly accessible. Jul 20 22:49:59 jag_: notably N8x0 has no native ALSA capabilities :-( Jul 20 22:50:18 but its got a gstreamer chain i believe Jul 20 22:50:28 lcuk: nm Jul 20 22:50:39 yes, a slow laggy gstreamer chain Jul 20 22:50:43 hmm i usually use portaudio on gnu/linux Jul 20 22:50:56 http://code.google.com/p/din is my gpl project Jul 20 22:51:09 no portaudion on arm devices Jul 20 22:51:21 cool stuff Jul 20 22:51:35 hi all Jul 20 22:51:39 i want todo a tap drumming realtime synth on moko or maemo Jul 20 22:51:52 jag_: with N8x0 you will get variable touchscreen pressure Jul 20 22:51:55 that will work Jul 20 22:51:59 not so sure about freerunner Jul 20 22:52:12 mutlitouch can be an issue for drumming Jul 20 22:52:23 you are right lcuk Jul 20 22:52:25 does freerunner have multitouch? Jul 20 22:52:32 no it seems Jul 20 22:52:36 only iphone has :( Jul 20 22:52:38 lcuk: oh! Another descent use of multitouch! :D Jul 20 22:52:45 :) Jul 20 22:53:11 :) Jul 20 22:53:20 there is a synth called kaossilator by korg which basically does what i intend to do but i suppose i can get some nice sounds Jul 20 22:53:20 So now we got fancy zooming and drumming!) Jul 20 22:53:42 i have been playing with the camera and have 25 mini mes visible Jul 20 22:53:49 all in scrolly display ;) Jul 20 22:54:04 jag_: I'd rather get a N8x0 though Jul 20 22:54:09 also is it possible during a voice call..to take the voice from the mic, add some fx to it..(think SAW movie voiceover) and then output that to the output? Jul 20 22:54:23 lcuk: yaya :) Jul 20 22:54:43 jag_: if you patch the phone program Jul 20 22:54:51 im just trying to connect to a server to make it 25 mini yous Jul 20 22:54:57 anyway, back later Jul 20 22:55:17 all right, sleep. Jul 20 22:55:50 jag_: n8x0 is not a phone, you know?) Jul 20 22:56:25 jag_: Well, not a GSM/UMTS phone Jul 20 22:56:29 yes wazd Jul 20 22:56:35 jag_: ok) Jul 20 22:56:36 im fresh from the youtube demos :) Jul 20 22:57:01 u mean n810? Jul 20 22:57:10 jag_: i think you should think of what you actually need Jul 20 22:57:27 jag_: a phone or an internet surfer Jul 20 22:58:06 basically i need a phone with touchscreen/single or multi touch with good audio for my synths Jul 20 22:58:22 and the software i write should be migratable to the new phones as they bcome available Jul 20 22:58:51 jag_: then buy Moko :) Jul 20 22:59:01 ohh Jul 20 22:59:16 jag_: Can't tell you bout it's audio quality but i'ts a phone for 100% :) Jul 20 22:59:31 if it plays mp3s well that is good enough for me Jul 20 22:59:39 on the other hand, n8x0 has very good speakers for their size Jul 20 22:59:54 even stereo :) Jul 20 23:00:04 zap: n8x0 have many attractive features but it's not a phone) Jul 20 23:00:06 think it plays mp3s and wavs too which is CD quality Jul 20 23:00:20 wazd: actually it's a Internet Phone :) Jul 20 23:00:24 actually i rarely use my phone :D Jul 20 23:00:45 jag_: then buy Tablet :) Jul 20 23:00:51 wazd: I payed 100RUR on sip.ru and now my n8x0 is a real phone ;) Jul 20 23:01:00 which tablet? Jul 20 23:01:10 zap: oh hell, Russians everywhere :) Jul 20 23:01:19 n8x0 is positioned as "Internet Tablet" Jul 20 23:01:26 whatever that means :) Jul 20 23:01:54 jag_: n800 is cheaper and have 2 SD slots and better speakers Jul 20 23:02:12 better speakers? Jul 20 23:02:36 jott: well, for me - yes :) Jul 20 23:02:50 im assuming nokia will soon add apple style multitouch, accelerometer etc and if hopefully they will run maemo and my programs will just need a recompile right? thats what i hope Jul 20 23:03:19 lol Jul 20 23:03:26 jag_: why the hell do you need multitouch :) Jul 20 23:03:29 they may change the api again, like they did with 770 -> 8x0 transition :) Jul 20 23:03:42 apple style multitouch is patented. by apple. >_> Jul 20 23:03:50 wazd: to play accords Jul 20 23:03:52 they'll change the toolkit ;> Jul 20 23:04:01 oh no, please no trolls Jul 20 23:04:01 playing chords Jul 20 23:04:21 also in drumming Jul 20 23:04:25 will be handy Jul 20 23:04:36 jag_: You want to make real time playing software or recording? Jul 20 23:04:45 realtime playing Jul 20 23:04:51 and recording :) Jul 20 23:05:01 imagine the phone as a musical instrument Jul 20 23:05:09 yeah recording is possible Jul 20 23:05:13 jag_: Weeeeellllll :)) Jul 20 23:05:16 well, we already have Pyano here Jul 20 23:05:20 so no need to imagine :) Jul 20 23:05:48 and milkytracker runs great too.. ;) Jul 20 23:05:51 jag_: I think you can go far from ordinary musical instruments Jul 20 23:06:05 jag_: like portable beatbox Jul 20 23:06:07 yeah i agree wazd Jul 20 23:06:12 new interfaces Jul 20 23:06:16 use n8x0 like a termenvox Jul 20 23:06:24 with a Wii controller or something Jul 20 23:06:34 jag_: Synth some weird groovy sounds :) Jul 20 23:06:47 zap, din is actually a theremin... if u saw my project page.. Jul 20 23:07:16 briefly: x is mapped to pitch, y is mapped to volume and notes are marked on the screen..you can move between notes for microtones Jul 20 23:07:40 yes wazd im excited Jul 20 23:07:40 jag_: Or maybe you can even make some DJ interface?) Jul 20 23:07:41 jag_: is it wireless like a real termenvox? Jul 20 23:07:54 no zap; it uses the mouse Jul 20 23:07:58 lcuk_codin: nah i am gonna use libsqlite3 Jul 20 23:07:59 aha Jul 20 23:08:00 like a bow Jul 20 23:08:02 lcuk_codin: it is fine Jul 20 23:08:12 lcuk_codin: it is already in extras Jul 20 23:08:39 u can hear some music ive created with friends on sound samples page Jul 20 23:08:55 I'll listen :) Jul 20 23:08:56 wazd: yes, like tonium pacemaker..that costs $1000 Jul 20 23:08:57 lcuk: oh, btw, will you show some awesome liqbase stuff on the Summit?) Jul 20 23:09:40 that pacemaker, you load 2 tracks...and mix between them..pitch bend / tempo mod...crossfade... Jul 20 23:09:50 we can use the touchscreen for the gui and will be nice i think Jul 20 23:10:19 jag_: yep, cool idea! Jul 20 23:10:26 jag_: But! Jul 20 23:10:35 does anyone use maemo-pt-connectivity with diablo and n810? Jul 20 23:10:41 jag_: the main pro against iPhone are buttons! Jul 20 23:10:42 maemo-pc Jul 20 23:10:55 u mean? Jul 20 23:11:12 jag_: any DJ software will suck on the iphone Jul 20 23:11:18 why? Jul 20 23:11:27 jag_: cause you can't do something blindly Jul 20 23:11:28 no buttons there Jul 20 23:11:47 blindly? example? Jul 20 23:11:50 jag_: you always need to look at the screen Jul 20 23:12:09 jag_: phone a number :D Jul 20 23:12:34 that is true but djs are always looking at their laptops/turntables no? Jul 20 23:12:53 also u can design certain controls smaller and some larger for gross manipulation Jul 20 23:12:55 jag_: actually no Jul 20 23:14:25 jag_: Anyway, you can easily bind d-pad for example to quick access to some menus Jul 20 23:15:06 yeah a keyboard is always an advantage Jul 20 23:15:09 jag_: Like "up-tracktor, down-mixing" and so on :) Jul 20 23:15:30 jag_: i'm not a DJ so forgive my weird examples :) Jul 20 23:15:36 nor am i Jul 20 23:15:40 hehe Jul 20 23:16:02 jag_: thats very good! Jul 20 23:16:13 yep that definitely ressembles a theremin Jul 20 23:16:27 ohh u listened? Jul 20 23:16:35 jag_: you can make some sampling software that will be fun for ordinary people Jul 20 23:16:44 lcuk_codin: LOL Jul 20 23:16:45 sure I did, I told you I'll do :) Jul 20 23:16:59 lcuk_codin: my build-box downloads the UPC database from my server at 10MB/s Jul 20 23:17:08 13:21:53 (10.04 MB/s) - `upc3.db.bz2' saved [26677051/26677051] Jul 20 23:17:09 zap: if u were going to i would have suggest the best of the worst that is there :D Jul 20 23:17:22 i love my mirror server's bandwidth Jul 20 23:17:33 rm_you, lcuk: are you summoning Lucifer?)) Jul 20 23:17:45 lol Jul 20 23:18:02 jag_: what are the faint bleeps and blops in the background? Jul 20 23:18:24 that is a another instrument played by a friend Jul 20 23:18:30 :) Jul 20 23:18:47 Well, g2g2 sleep :) Jul 20 23:18:50 which samples the melody i play and converts them into those bleeps and blops..he calls them rhythms..polyrhythms in fact Jul 20 23:18:57 See ya soon :) Jul 20 23:19:16 thanks wazd for ur advice Jul 20 23:19:16 pretty avantgarde :) Jul 20 23:19:43 jag_: no problem, thats my job :D Jul 20 23:20:10 zap: that software is called variseq and causes feedbacks Jul 20 23:20:17 sometimes the rhythms can go uncontrollable Jul 20 23:20:22 :) Jul 20 23:20:31 sometimes they go on for a long period of time with many subtle variations too Jul 20 23:20:39 u wont know what u would get though ;) Jul 20 23:20:53 jag_: you can write me to [drew.zhilin (at) gmail com] so we'll discuss this further :) Jul 20 23:21:09 write what wazd? Jul 20 23:21:20 what further? Jul 20 23:21:31 jag_: anything :D Jul 20 23:21:34 lol Jul 20 23:21:38 yeah Jul 20 23:21:58 share some code jag_ -- feedback can lead to interesting things Jul 20 23:22:01 i would love to develop avant garde :D synths Jul 20 23:22:06 jag_: well, if you'll decide to buy n8x0 and make a samling software, I can help you with UI designing :) Jul 20 23:22:13 din is free software, u can download it...if u like.. Jul 20 23:22:18 compile it Jul 20 23:22:26 make music with it :D Jul 20 23:22:34 ah i found it in scrollback - ty Jul 20 23:23:03 sometimes it's close to a violin Jul 20 23:23:05 wazd: i would like to do stuff with peoples voices Jul 20 23:23:15 zap: wow! thank you mate Jul 20 23:23:36 zap: work in progress but thanks :D Jul 20 23:23:36 oh my, that's a real violin? just read the description :) Jul 20 23:23:48 warm_milk.mp3 Jul 20 23:23:56 btw wazd for some reason generator wouldn't work on my tablet - forgot what's broken - if you get it running let me know pls Jul 20 23:23:58 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw Jul 20 23:24:08 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw Jul 20 23:24:11 aaaaaaaaaargh Jul 20 23:24:19 yeah on that track my volume was really low Jul 20 23:24:49 jag_: no offence :) Jul 20 23:25:18 pupnik: I am the LAST man on the planet to deal with compiling, porting or coding :D my hands are growing in the wrong direction :) Jul 20 23:25:19 zap: i have layers of thick skin now Jul 20 23:25:41 wow there's a new turn of phrase for me Jul 20 23:25:54 got pictures of your hands? :) Jul 20 23:26:09 wazd: i would like to sample voices of people and do processing with it in realtime Jul 20 23:26:18 conver that into rhythms Jul 20 23:26:35 pupnik, be afraid. if he reaches out to scratch his groin he will end up touchin his own ass Jul 20 23:26:53 there could be predefined beat patterns which change with feedback Jul 20 23:27:00 jag_: how you control the volume of the instrument? Jul 20 23:27:00 so they dont repeat all the time Jul 20 23:27:06 pupnik: I think your breakfast would be on your carpet :D Jul 20 23:27:28 * lcuk_codin ponders touching his 810 with greasy fingers Jul 20 23:27:28 zap: x is pitch, y is volume...see the screenshots... Jul 20 23:27:45 Don't do it! Jul 20 23:27:48 jag :) I was gonna code something like that today Jul 20 23:27:51 Use the napkins! The naaapkiiins! Jul 20 23:28:00 jag_: can you post a link to your project again please?) I've lost it in logs( Jul 20 23:28:10 http://code.google.com/p/din Jul 20 23:28:34 does it go down to 10hz? Jul 20 23:28:34 lcuk_codin: oh cool, u can look at the code if u like Jul 20 23:28:42 i know jag_ :) Jul 20 23:28:54 or some silly hz figure Jul 20 23:28:57 10hz audio? Jul 20 23:29:02 u cant hear it Jul 20 23:29:07 maybe if u were a dog :D Jul 20 23:29:12 or a cat Jul 20 23:29:13 jag_: ah, compilling, I surrender :) Jul 20 23:29:15 or a bat Jul 20 23:29:38 it can do the whole audio range Jul 20 23:29:42 20hz to 20khz Jul 20 23:29:52 lcuk: you should deffinetely show some crazy awesome 4D liqbase interface stuff on the Summit :) Jul 20 23:30:59 isnt 25mini mes in a scrollable displayport enough? Jul 20 23:31:01 :P Jul 20 23:31:10 * lcuk_codin has lots of little things which should be ready Jul 20 23:31:22 wazd: http://code.google.com/p/din/wiki/Sound_Samples Jul 20 23:31:43 wazd: if u want to listen to some 'music' :D Jul 20 23:31:45 jag_: what kind of synthesis you're using? plain FM? Jul 20 23:32:07 that reminds me that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmfHHLfbjNQ Jul 20 23:32:22 zap: its actually a new (forgotten, rediscovered) synthesis technique called bezier synthesis Jul 20 23:32:29 jag_: is your din supposed to compile with gcc 4? ;O Jul 20 23:32:30 but it is additive synthesis Jul 20 23:33:01 hi jott: maybe someone had a problem with a lower compiler i think Jul 20 23:33:23 jag_: I remember Yamaha bought an awesome method from some university to synthesize strings Jul 20 23:33:40 zap: instead of summing sine waves to produce a complex waveform, you just draw the waveforms as bezier curves like you do in inkscape Jul 20 23:33:41 jag_: it was in their YMF7x4 audiocard drivers Jul 20 23:33:51 zap: that is 80s stuff :) Jul 20 23:34:02 but it was the best software synth I ever heard Jul 20 23:34:12 jag_, 10hz would be noticeable Jul 20 23:34:16 the acoustic guitar was just real Jul 20 23:34:39 i dont know zap i havent heard dx7 Jul 20 23:34:42 jag_, the biggest problem wouldn't be feeling/hearing it... It would be producing it... It's kinda rare to have an acoustic system that is able to produce a 10hz sounds Jul 20 23:34:45 maybe u r right :) Jul 20 23:34:54 its not dx7, it was XG Jul 20 23:35:09 maybe cras...i have tried going below 20hz but the speaker just pops Jul 20 23:35:14 and its silence Jul 20 23:35:25 at around 30hz Jul 20 23:35:29 exactly what I'm saying :P Jul 20 23:35:30 the volume is already quite low Jul 20 23:35:38 and u can only 'feel' it Jul 20 23:35:42 silence is good Jul 20 23:35:49 jag_: that is quite like a violine :) Jul 20 23:35:49 i want feedback tiny haptics Jul 20 23:36:00 jag_: very close, nice work! Jul 20 23:36:02 see if its possible to use the speaker Jul 20 23:36:03 wazd: there is violin on 2 tracks Jul 20 23:36:08 so watch out wazd Jul 20 23:36:24 if u want to hear a track with just din hear this: http://din.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/33mins.mp3 Jul 20 23:36:46 jag: I've heard 145.mp3 Jul 20 23:37:01 wazd: yeah that is just din :D Jul 20 23:37:12 and variseq on rhythms..u can hear his intro Jul 20 23:37:51 lcuk: use the speaker? Jul 20 23:37:56 after popping it? Jul 20 23:38:24 whip it one way to the other with a square wave Jul 20 23:38:35 give maximum movement possible to see if the user can feel it Jul 20 23:38:46 jag_: have you tried with a good mouse? It could make a difference Jul 20 23:39:17 zap: yeah the mouse is very important..how light it is..clean it is..the surface! Jul 20 23:39:32 but more money doesnt buy a better mouse though as far as ive seen it Jul 20 23:39:44 something like a infrared-laser 1600dpi 2.4GHz beast Jul 20 23:39:57 zap: get me 1 zap, get me 1 :D Jul 20 23:40:09 yeah have to try ..but the mouse has to be light Jul 20 23:40:10 my ball mouse suddenly feels very old Jul 20 23:40:21 actually lcuk that is very good Jul 20 23:40:29 i know, i hate optical Jul 20 23:40:38 the mouse in din is the bow Jul 20 23:40:40 mechanical ftw :) Jul 20 23:40:43 and bow is very important Jul 20 23:40:44 jag_: adding #include to vector2d.h and compiling with -fpermissive worked :) Jul 20 23:40:57 cool jott Jul 20 23:41:01 jag, have you actually had it on a touch device yet Jul 20 23:41:09 i will be pleased if u can get it running..u need opengl drivers too... Jul 20 23:41:22 not mesa..something hardware accelerated Jul 20 23:41:22 ..need opengl hardware.. Jul 20 23:41:30 cough drivers Jul 20 23:41:38 non-free i know ;) Jul 20 23:41:56 but why does it need gl? Jul 20 23:41:59 jag_: what is it using lg for? Jul 20 23:42:00 gl Jul 20 23:42:05 i tohught it was audio Jul 20 23:42:06 gl is the ui Jul 20 23:42:15 on the screen the notes are marked Jul 20 23:42:24 notes of the mode (called raga in indian classical music) Jul 20 23:42:32 now i need to find a way to make it sound :) Jul 20 23:42:33 they are like guitar frets Jul 20 23:42:50 *dont* make install Jul 20 23:42:53 1-4 cycles through some curve modes Jul 20 23:42:54 goto src and run din Jul 20 23:42:58 sure.. Jul 20 23:43:04 yeah Jul 20 23:43:07 those are the beziers Jul 20 23:43:25 press esc from one of the curve modes Jul 20 23:43:26 how do i start the sound? ;) Jul 20 23:43:30 u will come to the screen Jul 20 23:43:37 where u see notes marked Jul 20 23:43:41 S g m d n S Jul 20 23:43:45 yea Jul 20 23:44:07 if u place ur mouse in the bar u should get a sound do u get it? Jul 20 23:44:18 no :( Jul 20 23:44:19 what mouse do we have? Jul 20 23:44:21 ok Jul 20 23:44:25 goto data directory Jul 20 23:44:32 vi globals Jul 20 23:44:44 and change SAMPLE_RATE 48000 to SAMPLE_RATE 44100 Jul 20 23:44:44 ok Jul 20 23:45:07 hrm Jul 20 23:45:07 be careful cos i dont do xml parsing so ... :D Jul 20 23:45:09 how do i include glib Jul 20 23:45:23 #include should be correct but fails? Jul 20 23:45:26 I hate C <_< Jul 20 23:45:30 i know its there somewhere Jul 20 23:45:38 look at the makefile to the barcode stuff Jul 20 23:45:39 Java / python doesn't have this problem <_< Jul 20 23:45:44 jag_: hm still no sound :/ Jul 20 23:46:01 u have to restart the program...i assume u have done it Jul 20 23:46:16 do you have portaudio? Jul 20 23:46:20 ok Jul 20 23:46:25 killed some apps Jul 20 23:46:31 no mp3s in the bg Jul 20 23:46:32 that might have blocked the audio.. Jul 20 23:46:32 yes Jul 20 23:46:34 yes Jul 20 23:46:47 dont pause the bg audio apps Jul 20 23:46:52 u have to kill them yes Jul 20 23:46:56 no it makes weird sounds ;) Jul 20 23:47:01 yeah!! Jul 20 23:47:03 wow Jul 20 23:47:13 u r probably the first person that compiled it Jul 20 23:47:16 and ran it Jul 20 23:47:21 im close to tears now lol Jul 20 23:47:22 jott is a superhero Jul 20 23:47:30 ok Jul 20 23:47:44 the instrument is over 3 octaves Jul 20 23:47:45 jott, binary linkage? Jul 20 23:47:55 ie S g m d n S g m d n S g m d n S Jul 20 23:48:00 is what u should see on the screen Jul 20 23:48:11 infact, doesnt matter Jul 20 23:48:13 im goin 2 bed Jul 20 23:48:16 yeah i see one octave... Jul 20 23:48:17 the 1st S g m d n S is lower octave, then middle octave and high Jul 20 23:48:20 so S..S Jul 20 23:48:24 yep Jul 20 23:48:27 S is tonic Jul 20 23:48:29 gnite folks Jul 20 23:48:33 nite lcuk_zzz Jul 20 23:48:34 m = perfect fourth Jul 20 23:48:47 just try to hit the notes marked and play the melody Jul 20 23:48:56 for vibrato shake ur mouse in X Jul 20 23:49:14 to change dynamic..move the mouse higher in the bar..the volume increases.. Jul 20 23:49:51 you basically make melodies..improvise...with these notes...S and m are sort of 'rest' notes Jul 20 23:49:56 where u can pause when you improvise Jul 20 23:49:59 resolve etc Jul 20 23:51:34 hehe i can see, it would be fun with a stylus ;) Jul 20 23:51:46 is there a way to edit the curves? Jul 20 23:52:13 actually you can edit the curves Jul 20 23:52:25 its a bit hairy tho :D Jul 20 23:52:45 the triangles u see at the bottom of notes in lower and middle octaves Jul 20 23:52:47 heh hit the control points in subpixel accuracy? ;) Jul 20 23:52:49 are sympathetic strings Jul 20 23:53:12 they will vibrate in sympathy to your melody Jul 20 23:53:23 just play a note and if u come down and out of the bar Jul 20 23:53:36 the note will stop playing but the symps will be vibrating for some time Jul 20 23:53:45 no curve editors have help Jul 20 23:53:48 F1 Jul 20 23:53:54 ah Jul 20 23:53:56 on 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 Jul 20 23:54:13 1 = map editor (edits the resonators), Jul 20 23:54:16 hehe wasd for panning ;) Jul 20 23:54:22 yep :) Jul 20 23:54:28 i dont forget my roots Jul 20 23:54:39 q & e for zooming Jul 20 23:55:03 2 = waveform editor (this is the bezier waveform) Jul 20 23:55:21 3 = channels editor (L and R you can change what is going into them for more spaced out sound) Jul 20 23:55:28 4 = sympathiser response Jul 20 23:55:32 5 = sympathiser waveform Jul 20 23:55:37 its quite hairy i told u :D Jul 20 23:57:36 the help will appear on the console...use ins/del to scroll up/down Jul 20 23:59:26 oops now it seg faulted :P Jul 20 23:59:35 aaww Jul 20 23:59:43 it does sometimes Jul 20 23:59:46 with the curve edits Jul 20 23:59:58 not when playing i can assure you ;) Jul 21 00:00:36 when playing without recording :P Jul 21 00:01:28 when playing it segfaulted? Jul 21 00:01:38 aaaww Jul 21 00:01:51 it never does on me :D Jul 21 00:02:03 yeah you can record phrases too have u tried that Jul 21 00:02:19 dont go on for a long time though as stl vector can quickly fill up :D Jul 21 00:02:51 heh yeah funny project... start removing a bit of the gl gui stuff and port it to maemo ;) Jul 21 00:03:20 could do Jul 21 00:03:56 basically will remove the editors once it is mature...joe user doesnt need all that sphaghetti Jul 21 00:04:28 anyone else heard of millenicom? Jul 21 00:04:43 thanks for compiling and taking it for a spin jott Jul 21 00:04:50 hope u liked it too! Jul 21 00:05:09 jott:what sort of system do u have? Jul 21 00:05:52 jag_: yeah it's a nice start, a bit unintuitive but that can be worked on ;) Jul 21 00:06:28 what is unintuitive..? Jul 21 00:06:31 jag_: ubuntu hardy on a q6600 .. Jul 21 00:06:47 jott:opengl drivers? Jul 21 00:06:48 jag_: well not so obvious what to do when you are not instructed ;) Jul 21 00:06:53 nvidia Jul 21 00:07:08 hehe just like a real musical instrument u mean ;) Jul 21 00:07:23 hah ;> Jul 21 00:07:37 yeah the curves etc Jul 21 00:07:46 the musician doesnt have to think about once its done Jul 21 00:07:52 the cos the instrument will be in tune Jul 21 00:08:01 so he will see the 'notes screen' only Jul 21 00:08:23 of course if he wants he can go down editing Jul 21 00:08:23 yeah true Jul 21 00:08:37 the thing now for me is Jul 21 00:08:48 what sort of processing power i have with maemo/n810 Jul 21 00:08:56 to port Jul 21 00:09:00 im happy i can code in c++ Jul 21 00:09:07 so most of the code goes unchanged Jul 21 00:09:14 well 400mhz arm... Jul 21 00:09:31 also its all synthesised so no samples and calculations in realtime..no memory access etc.. Jul 21 00:09:34 but this can't be too processor hungry ;) Jul 21 00:09:57 im glad you got that impression :) Jul 21 00:10:11 well running on a 2.4ghz quad core atleast :P Jul 21 00:10:19 how smooth is a stylus Jul 21 00:10:23 the stylus Jul 21 00:10:26 on n810 Jul 21 00:10:39 smooth enough for sliding around Jul 21 00:10:44 nice machine...eventually i will have 1000s of resonators running in multiple cores Jul 21 00:10:50 that will be lot of fun Jul 21 00:10:53 programming Jul 21 00:10:56 you could add a boxwave screen protector and get some extra sliding Jul 21 00:11:06 what is that? Jul 21 00:11:25 basically just some plastic foil ;) Jul 21 00:11:26 did u know u could wsad to scroll around that playing screen as well..i assume u would have Jul 21 00:11:31 yeah Jul 21 00:11:37 i figured that ;) Jul 21 00:11:41 yeah Jul 21 00:11:45 the quake idiom Jul 21 00:12:03 its my small homage to JC Jul 21 00:12:23 im so glad u got it...ive showed it to many ppl...and they didnt pick that out Jul 21 00:12:48 yeah your code needs some cleanup to be a bit more standard conform ;) Jul 21 00:12:58 like where? Jul 21 00:13:03 what are u looking at Jul 21 00:13:20 uh nothig in particular i looked at but tons of warnings while compiling Jul 21 00:13:29 and the need of -fpermissive ;) Jul 21 00:13:56 yeah mostly casts Jul 21 00:14:05 from floats to ints i guess Jul 21 00:14:06 and template stuff Jul 21 00:14:17 ah yes templates i use a bit Jul 21 00:14:21 anyone have any fingerboard hacks? higher sensitivity different templates/layouts? Jul 21 00:15:40 is it possible to run my synth while a call is in progress? Jul 21 00:16:20 jag_: uhm again, the n800/n810 does not have a gsm unit .. :) Jul 21 00:16:35 but it's a linux system so it supports multitasking ;) Jul 21 00:16:36 what? Jul 21 00:16:43 its not a phone? Jul 21 00:16:46 no Jul 21 00:17:00 really? Jul 21 00:17:07 i thought it was Jul 21 00:17:27 yeah well i guess lot's of people think that it is due to its nokia brand :/ Jul 21 00:17:55 aaaaaaaaaaaaw Jul 21 00:17:58 but it's still a gorgeous device Jul 21 00:18:11 aaaaaaaaaaaw Jul 21 00:18:54 surely in the near future a phone with maemo should come out from nokia Jul 21 00:19:40 for now i doubt that (with the near future at least) Jul 21 00:20:04 hmm Jul 21 00:20:05 man Jul 21 00:20:25 vgba on n810 is faster than visualboyadvance on my laptop :) RST38h Jul 21 00:21:00 vgba runs great, i agree Jul 21 00:21:23 does the new version have scaling or xsp? Jul 21 00:21:42 hm the last i tested had 2x scaling Jul 21 00:21:47 ok i try ty Jul 21 00:22:23 but afair RST38h talked about working on 3x .. Jul 21 00:23:41 * unixSnob_ uses his n800 as a phone... an internet phone, that is. Jul 21 00:24:34 oh right - forgot how low res vba is Jul 21 00:24:57 in germany all the umts data packages (flatrates) say they forbid skype/voip Jul 21 00:25:08 the ones i saw at least Jul 21 00:25:53 in fact, it could be used as a video phone Jul 21 00:27:17 yeah.. it sucks in germany. I think they're extra heavy on the net surveillance there too. Jul 21 00:27:30 I don't recall the context, but I was talking to a German and we came to the conclusion that we would have to tunnel our connections out of the country if we lived there Jul 21 00:27:51 gtg Jul 21 00:32:22 cheers unixSnob_ Jul 21 00:32:50 yes with the new data spying directive all your connections will be logged, and possibly tunneling/vpn/mix (tor) will be illegal in 2009 Jul 21 00:44:34 jott: sweet got it Jul 21 00:44:49 jott / lcuk_zzz : now to integrate into the UI Jul 21 00:47:19 im asleep, tell me tomorrow ;) Jul 21 00:47:34 * lcuk_zzz thought he would get some peace n quiet **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 00:49:46 2008 Jul 21 00:50:09 is there an alt browser than the mozilla browser for os 2008? Jul 21 00:51:58 looks like i broke my dns system. once i edited /etc/resolv.conf, it seems to stay at its setting and doesnt change to what dhcp delivers. Jul 21 00:51:59 jott: thanks for compiling and run my app Jul 21 00:52:08 g2g thanks all. Jul 21 00:52:43 can someone post normal settings in /etc/resolv.conf please? Jul 21 00:52:43 sven: mine seems to be set to 127.0.0.1 usually, since it uses a cache Jul 21 00:52:49 ah Jul 21 00:54:01 thanks, localhost works Jul 21 00:57:02 dougb, all the other browsers suck currently. Jul 21 00:58:53 well. im digging links2. xlinks has some promise too. Jul 21 00:59:22 i really want w3m-img and will try and compile it soon.. Jul 21 01:23:41 lol . . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19178&page=8 Jul 21 01:30:39 yeah, GeneralAntilles, it's pretty awesome, calls me an amateur then asks me to elaborate...heh Jul 21 01:30:55 itT is seriously in the shitter. Jul 21 01:31:15 I'm just waiting for Mutiny32 to reopen his stupid PVR bug again. Jul 21 01:34:51 Reggie should just drop the banhammer on his ass and be done with it Jul 21 01:58:19 tell me how that millenicom works out :) Im´looking at a slug right now Jul 21 02:46:26 OK, so far I've crashed the iPhone twice trying to browse the AppStore. Jul 21 02:46:39 So much for being so much more reliable than the tablets. . . . Jul 21 02:47:24 The grass is always greener... Jul 21 02:47:35 lollerpwnt Jul 21 02:49:47 I don't get the "it's so much faster than the tablet" people, I've always found it to be on par or even somewhat slower than the tablet. . . . Jul 21 02:50:35 I find their push messaging to be a very interesting idea Jul 21 02:54:52 lol, all the games on here are old Mac games from 4 years ago that've been ported. Jul 21 02:55:03 hey guys Jul 21 02:55:08 :P Jul 21 02:55:13 hey gramulhaozin Jul 21 02:55:28 bought a n810 today :P Jul 21 02:55:29 GeneralAntilles, i dunno. Monkeyball looked kinda fun *shrugs* Jul 21 02:55:32 happy Jul 21 02:55:37 gramulhaozin, congrats. Liking it so far? Jul 21 02:55:41 but it's coming the mail :P Jul 21 02:56:05 johnx, maybe, but it's also $10 Jul 21 02:56:08 I want to get a toolchain and make a software for my business on it Jul 21 02:56:23 ~sdk Jul 21 02:56:25 Software Development Kit Jul 21 02:56:27 Wish the categories were sortable. . . . Jul 21 02:56:30 johnx: how long does it takes for an 810 to bootup ? Jul 21 02:57:06 gramulhaozin, from cold power off: ~30 seconds. From normal standby: basically instant Jul 21 02:57:18 nice Jul 21 02:57:22 does it comes with a car charger ? Jul 21 02:57:28 I'm going to leave it in the car Jul 21 02:57:39 hope it likes the hot florida weather 60 degres inside the car Jul 21 02:58:00 30 seconds is good Jul 21 02:58:16 I'm going to get it for the customers to sign their "service orders" Jul 21 02:58:18 it'll stay on standby for a long time, so there's not much need to ever turn it all the way off Jul 21 02:58:22 just like UPS does with the packages Jul 21 02:58:34 that's pretty cool Jul 21 02:59:12 I would need a jelly skin for it Jul 21 02:59:17 to make a little bit more solid Jul 21 02:59:38 and would try to make it talk with my metropcs phone to get internet Jul 21 02:59:44 I wouldn't leave it in the car Jul 21 02:59:51 Your battery will be shot by fall. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 02:59:56 2008