**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 02:59:56 2008 Jul 21 03:00:10 GeneralAntilles: If I don't leave in the car I will forget it at home so I have no other choice Jul 21 03:00:12 leave it in the glovebox if you need to Jul 21 03:00:25 Get in the habit of keeping it in a pocket. ;) Jul 21 03:00:31 ...I think that might be a little cooler Jul 21 03:01:10 does anyone had it working with Bluetooth internet from the cell phone ? Jul 21 03:01:18 lots of people Jul 21 03:01:24 I am going to try to pair it with my motorolla cell and use dialup from the cell phone Jul 21 03:01:28 not me though. no bt on my cell phone Jul 21 03:01:47 if your moto supports BT DUN you should be fine Jul 21 03:02:13 yep it does Jul 21 03:28:36 jeez, I forgot how fast sd could be Jul 21 03:30:59 gramulhaozin: google around, depending on your cell provider, you might need to hack your handset a bit so it doesn't show up as DUN traffic Jul 21 03:31:09 but I use DUN from my centro just fine Jul 21 03:32:50 I used it before with my laptop Jul 21 03:32:58 It was really slow, but worked Jul 21 03:33:53 some carriers will cancel contracts if they find people using DUN Jul 21 03:34:05 im on sprint pam right now .. its not bad, good enough for irc and some web browseing Jul 21 03:34:51 I'm using sprint and USBModem Jul 21 03:34:56 no pam plan >_> Jul 21 03:36:15 i dont have pam either but am thinking about it. kind of .. testing it out. Jul 21 03:40:48 I use metropcs cheapass Jul 21 03:44:48 cheapass? lol Jul 21 03:57:17 Anybody present that can help me figure out an application manager problem? Jul 21 03:57:33 with using app manager? or hacking on it? Jul 21 03:59:21 Well, with getting the OS2008 update to work. It's listing well over a dozen applications that it can't find for the upgrade. Jul 21 03:59:43 Looking at gronmeyer's (sp?) repository list, I can't find *ANY* repos that have the apps in question. Jul 21 04:00:07 are you in chinook trying to install the diablo "feature upgrade" through app manager? Jul 21 04:00:59 I'm in Diablo trying to install the Diablo feature upgrade. Jul 21 04:01:05 hmm Jul 21 04:02:21 would you mind running apt-get upgrade from the command line and putting the result on pastebin.com? Jul 21 04:02:24 Dammit! Now I can't connect to the device either. :( Jul 21 04:02:32 That's what I was just trying to do. Jul 21 04:02:32 ah :| Jul 21 04:02:38 No path to device. Jul 21 04:02:47 Although I'm browsing *OUT* from the device no problems. Jul 21 04:03:09 try running a ping from the device, then sshing to it Jul 21 04:03:49 Ummm.... What? Jul 21 04:04:12 sometimes the power savings on the device seem to prevent it from receiving packets Jul 21 04:04:18 the CAM timeout is very agressive Jul 21 04:04:29 So what exactly am I supposed to do? Jul 21 04:04:37 on the device, run ping google.com Jul 21 04:04:42 Did you turn Red Pill on? Jul 21 04:04:43 on your desktop, try to ssh to the device Jul 21 04:04:52 Why do people see a feature upgrade with Diablo. :\ Jul 21 04:04:53 Yes, Red Pill is on. Jul 21 04:04:59 Turn it off. <_< Jul 21 04:05:40 * ttmrichter sighs. Jul 21 04:05:47 Ping wants root. Jul 21 04:05:57 I wish people wouldn't recommend Red Pill. Jul 21 04:06:00 Su wants root. Jul 21 04:06:13 I doubt 1 in 10 of the people that turn it on actually need it. . . . Jul 21 04:06:13 So to get root access -- su -- I need to be root. Jul 21 04:06:21 Who the HELL makes this stuff? Jul 21 04:06:22 ~rootsh Jul 21 04:06:23 rumour has it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ Jul 21 04:06:24 ttmrichter, you have ssh installed? ssh root@localhost Jul 21 04:06:31 ttmrichter, Nokia :/ Jul 21 04:06:40 but seriously, I know what you mean Jul 21 04:07:05 OK, I'm out of red pill. Jul 21 04:08:16 Still not able to connect inbound, even though I'm hitting outbound just fine (not with ping, mind). Jul 21 04:08:40 Is the update still visible. Jul 21 04:08:43 ? Jul 21 04:09:03 It's in the installed apps list, but not in the installable. Jul 21 04:09:11 as it should be :) Jul 21 04:09:52 ttmrichter, ok, here's what's up: your router likely isn't playing well with the aggressive power savings on the tablet. to test if this might be the problem, try starting a ping. This will keep the powersavings from kicking in long enough for you to test whether you can ssh into it or not Jul 21 04:10:10 if that doesn't help it may be that ssh isn't running for some reason or there may be another problem Jul 21 04:10:26 Hi ! Jul 21 04:10:30 Well, getting to the ping is a bit of a problem right now. ;) Jul 21 04:10:35 I'm still working on that. Jul 21 04:10:39 ttmrichter, you have ssh. ssh root@localhost Jul 21 04:10:44 right? Jul 21 04:10:53 my n810 don't boot ... again ! Jul 21 04:10:59 blank screen ... Jul 21 04:10:59 That's what I'm trying. I was concentrating on getting rid of red pill mode first. Jul 21 04:11:04 tired of flashed it Jul 21 04:11:36 khertan, install bootmenu Jul 21 04:11:39 OK, ssh doesn't like the host key of the device it's installed on. Jul 21 04:11:41 Then you can ssh in with usbnet and fix it. Jul 21 04:11:46 Head. Meet desk. Repeatedly. "Hi there." Jul 21 04:11:56 jott: >_> Jul 21 04:12:16 GeneralAntilles: so i suppose it s available now for the firmware, if you suggest me :) Jul 21 04:12:18 ttmrichter, hmm? it says "unknown key" or conflicting key? Jul 21 04:12:30 khertan, has been since about Diablo week 2. ;) Jul 21 04:13:11 Conflicting key. I got rid of it. Jul 21 04:13:17 I HAVE ROOT! YAY! Jul 21 04:13:18 We should send a team of baby sitters over to fanoush's place so he can finish up all the cool bootmenu features he's got in the pipeline. Jul 21 04:13:52 I am pinging google. I still can't ping IN to the device. Jul 21 04:14:27 ttmrichter, alright, try ssh -v user@your-tablet Jul 21 04:14:31 So while ping google.com is live, ssh says "no route to host". Jul 21 04:14:38 ah, ok Jul 21 04:14:47 when i try to download the last firmware i get a 27.7Mo Jul 21 04:15:02 ttmrichter, and you're 100% sure that you have the IP right (not trying to be a jerk, just wondering) Jul 21 04:15:05 file Jul 21 04:15:10 I'm positive. Jul 21 04:15:35 Oh, hang on. Jul 21 04:15:45 nokia should really do something with their server... Jul 21 04:15:51 No, I don't. What the connection manager is reporting and what ifconfig is reporting are very, very different. Jul 21 04:16:13 The connection is configured as 192.168.0.104 and ifconfig is reporting 192.168.0.200. Jul 21 04:16:14 Interesting. Jul 21 04:16:24 that's pretty strange Jul 21 04:16:29 khertan, works fine here. Jul 21 04:16:57 anyone have any fingerboard hacks? higher sensitivity different templates/layouts? Jul 21 04:17:23 It's even stranger, johnx. Jul 21 04:17:47 The network manager applet is set for static IP. /etc/network/interfaces is set up for dhcp. Jul 21 04:18:06 Why the radical disconnect there? Jul 21 04:18:41 ttmrichter, I think /etc/network/interfaces isn't used on OS200x/maemo Jul 21 04:18:48 It appears it is. Jul 21 04:18:58 Because the 200 is where my DHCP server starts handing out addresses. Jul 21 04:19:20 I reserve the lower 100 addresses for static wire IP and the second 100 for static wireless IPs. Jul 21 04:19:36 So any address that's 200+ in the final digit is DHCP-served. Jul 21 04:19:59 So it's going by the settings in /etc/network/interfaces instead of by the settings specified in the connection. Jul 21 04:20:41 or it's getting the dhcp thing from somewhere else Jul 21 04:21:04 ttmrichter, my /etc/network/interfaces has no entry for wlan0 Jul 21 04:21:08 only for eth0 and usb0 Jul 21 04:23:18 Oh, it's eth0 I was looking at. Jul 21 04:23:37 My mistake. I conflated eth0 with wlan0. Jul 21 04:24:10 right, so either you have static set for another wireless network and dhcp set for this one or the connection manager isn't paying attention to your settings Jul 21 04:24:29 the connection manager being flaky is definitely a possibility Jul 21 04:25:46 OK, I've deleted the wireless entry and re-entered all the data. Jul 21 04:25:50 See if that works better. Jul 21 04:26:58 Nope. Still getting the wrong address. Jul 21 04:27:58 anyone else having a problem with your tablet using dhcp when set to static? I can't check on mine right now... Jul 21 04:31:32 OK, now it's going right. Jul 21 04:31:40 did you change something? Jul 21 04:31:50 I deleted the entry. Rebooted the tablet. Re-entered the connection entry. Jul 21 04:32:04 It looks like this was an artifact of my upgrade to Diablo. Jul 21 04:32:54 ah, maybe Jul 21 04:33:12 I bet that static IP setups don't get the same kind of testing as DHCP Jul 21 04:33:16 Most people probably just use the DHCP, yeah. Jul 21 04:33:36 I use static because I have to connect to the device all the time and it's a pain in the ass to try and track down which IP it has this week. Jul 21 04:33:38 FIASCO subimage data length mismatch Jul 21 04:33:41 GRRRRR Jul 21 04:34:07 OK, this gets us back to the initial problem. Which was solved by turning off Red Pill Mode. :D Jul 21 04:34:09 wrong md5 Jul 21 04:34:10 ttmrichter, same here. I staticly assign DHCP addresses on my router to certain MAC addresses Jul 21 04:34:20 Thanks guys. You're a credit to the community. Jul 21 04:34:30 ttmrichter, glad everything's figured out Jul 21 04:34:31 I did that for a while, but my router sucks and occasionally gets confused. Jul 21 04:34:42 firmware server suck ! Jul 21 04:34:43 I need to get a dd-wrt capable router. Jul 21 04:34:49 in the future you might want to use apt-get instead of re-enabling red-pill mode Jul 21 04:35:12 I can't even remember why I turned on red pill. Jul 21 04:35:20 khertan, try downloading with a different client? Jul 21 04:35:21 It was kind of a reflex thing. Jul 21 04:35:29 some package probably needed it to install Jul 21 04:35:30 GeneralAntilles: done Jul 21 04:35:45 wget and firefox Jul 21 04:35:46 So... What is new in Diablo anyway? :D Jul 21 04:35:48 now link Jul 21 04:36:03 ttmrichter, there's a new bug with static IP addresses :) Jul 21 04:36:19 Wow! What a coincidence! I think I may have spotted that one just a few minutes ago! :D Jul 21 04:36:22 ttmrichter, new email client, in place upgrades after this, some various bug fixes and tweaks Jul 21 04:36:36 New email client? Jul 21 04:36:40 ~diablo-changelog Jul 21 04:36:41 methinks diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Jul 21 04:37:29 OH NO! They took away bme-dbus-proxy. :( Jul 21 04:37:35 (What is bme-dbus-proxy?) Jul 21 04:37:40 ttmrichter, and replaced it with something better :) Jul 21 04:37:50 bme-hald-addon wins :) Jul 21 04:37:50 This was a joke. ;) Jul 21 04:38:00 ~no diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/4wafha Jul 21 04:38:01 Ooh! Proper Chinese font support! Jul 21 04:38:01 okay, GeneralAntilles Jul 21 04:38:13 ttmrichter, heh...it actually made life difficult for me and Stskeeps a couple days back :) Jul 21 04:38:23 That's actually useful for me. (Guess where I live....) Jul 21 04:38:34 Do they have Chinese input yet or is that coming Real Soon Now? Jul 21 04:38:49 (If they had full Chinese support I could sell a hundred of these things -- all my students love it!) Jul 21 04:38:53 cjk input is provided by 3rd parties Jul 21 04:39:04 there was a third party CJK setup, but I don't know if it caught up to diablo yet Jul 21 04:39:10 it's usable, but not that fun :/ Jul 21 04:39:11 I tried the 3rd party CJK. It was not...good. Jul 21 04:39:32 Ooh. Proper GPG now too. Jul 21 04:40:20 Nokia, however, seems to be losing its marketing edge. Jul 21 04:40:27 hmm? Jul 21 04:40:47 For years it was THE brand name to trust in mobile phones in China. Now it's slipping fast. Not releasing high-profile devices with proper CJK support is a major factor in this. Jul 21 04:41:07 Samsung is now kicking Nokia's ass all ways to Sunday over this. Jul 21 04:41:13 the tablet project isn't very close to the phone department Jul 21 04:41:22 The phones have the same problem. Jul 21 04:41:23 AFAIK Jul 21 04:41:35 right, but that's a different problem :) Jul 21 04:41:36 The big multimedia smartphones had delayed CJK support. Jul 21 04:41:50 It's like Nokia is resting on its reputation in China instead of going after the market. Jul 21 04:42:08 entirely possible Jul 21 04:42:18 I wouldn't really know Jul 21 04:42:24 * ttmrichter sighs. Jul 21 04:42:37 So now I have to watch flash crap on my tablet? :D Jul 21 04:42:46 nah, turn it the heck off Jul 21 04:42:50 * johnx stabs flash Jul 21 04:43:08 I quite enjoy the flash-free web. Jul 21 04:43:33 I use NoScript on my desktop and will be turning flash off on my tablet as soon as I figure out how. Jul 21 04:43:41 turn it off or install flashblock Jul 21 04:44:02 This is the new mozilla browser, right? Jul 21 04:44:05 no worries ttmrichter, most of the flash content out on the web is not compatible with that of OS2008 anyway Jul 21 04:44:05 It's just a plug-in? Jul 21 04:44:22 What exactly is the appeal of Fring? Jul 21 04:44:30 Flash is always a plugin. . . . Jul 21 04:44:35 unixSnob_, Flash works fine here. Jul 21 04:44:39 Fring? Jul 21 04:44:42 * GeneralAntilles eyeroll Jul 21 04:44:45 ttmrichter, well, it's the same mozilla based browser as we've had for several months, but yeah, flash is just a plugin Jul 21 04:45:00 The chinook browser was mozilla? Jul 21 04:45:05 Same Mozilla-based browser we've had for almost a year now Jul 21 04:45:07 Wow. I never even noticed. Jul 21 04:45:20 Ugh http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204278&postcount=15 Jul 21 04:45:37 Just upgrade from your pre-Chinook release. <_< Jul 21 04:45:40 hey guys Jul 21 04:45:44 check out bbc news.. none of the content works in OS2008 -- along with every other site I've visited since I updated to the latest version Jul 21 04:46:01 I can't check out BBC news: it's blocked. :D Jul 21 04:46:19 I can get it on my desktop through my SSH tunnel, but I don't have such a tunnel set up on the tablet. Jul 21 04:47:46 Hmmm... Sounds like an applet to me: simple SSH proxy tunnel that I can turn on or off in the status bar. Jul 21 04:48:24 Talk about an orgy of the worst advice ever in the Fring thread. . . . Jul 21 04:49:15 hi folks. I recently reflashed my n810 using the latest official nokia firmware (diablo). I wanted to install gpg on it. when I ssh'd in and ran apt-get install gnupg, it complains about osso-softare-version-rx44 depending on flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher, kernel-diablo-flasher none of which are installed Jul 21 04:49:19 apt-get -f install offers to install them Jul 21 04:49:31 should I? is it normal to have the missing? Jul 21 04:49:35 will it hurt to install them? Jul 21 04:49:49 incidentally apt-get -f install also will *remove* osso-software-version-rx44 Jul 21 04:50:18 is this diablo? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2111&stc=1&d=1216405616 Jul 21 04:50:26 apt-get -f install Jul 21 04:50:30 CosmicRay, gnupg should be installed with diablo Jul 21 04:50:36 Googling for those will give you some background Jul 21 04:50:42 ah. so it is. Jul 21 04:50:52 CosmicRay, actually hang on a second Jul 21 04:50:57 hey guys Jul 21 04:51:06 N810 or HTC 9685 (att tilt ) ? Jul 21 04:51:07 Italodance, that's Debian hacked up into some sort of chroot insanity. Jul 21 04:51:19 gramulhaozin, yes Jul 21 04:51:30 GeneralAntilles, he doesn't want to remove osso-software-version-rx44 :) Jul 21 04:51:43 CosmicRay, did you try and install gnupg with a .deb file? Jul 21 04:51:51 apt-get -f install souldn't be removing it. :\ Jul 21 04:51:57 johnx: no. I was considering it. Jul 21 04:51:58 GeneralAntilles, read his message Jul 21 04:52:08 GeneralAntilles: that may be because of a libbz2 newer version, not sure. Jul 21 04:52:21 johnx: I have gnupg 1.4.6-2maemo1 Jul 21 04:52:23 You can reinstall it later without issue Jul 21 04:52:35 fair enough I guess Jul 21 04:52:37 I wouldn't know where to find gnupg for maemo. wasn't on maemo.org. was going to get it from mdebian if I couldn't find it there. Jul 21 04:52:47 odd that gnupg shows up in apt/dpkg but not the gui package manager. Jul 21 04:52:51 GeneralAntilles tnx Jul 21 04:53:08 gnupg is included with diablo I think Jul 21 04:53:11 * johnx checks Jul 21 04:53:43 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_changes.html Jul 21 04:53:55 I did google for the packages in question Jul 21 04:54:06 came up with 1 hit, in -- apparently -- russian Jul 21 04:54:14 but you didn't check to see if they were installed already? :P Jul 21 04:54:18 so my need for apt-get is gone in this instance, so I can safely ignore this I guess Jul 21 04:54:33 not gnupg, no. it never occured to me that it might be, I guess Jul 21 04:54:42 not used to computers coming with gpg preinstalled ;-) Jul 21 04:54:45 still, you'll want to get flash-and-reboot so that apt-get doesn't complain in the future Jul 21 04:55:13 apt-get -f install should be safe if all that it wants to remove is osso-software-version-rx44 Jul 21 04:56:04 that is indeed all it wants to remove Jul 21 04:56:11 there is also some gstreamer updatage occuring Jul 21 04:56:39 I'm a debian developer so I am good enough with apt to be quite dangerous, but bad enough with maemo to have no clue what these packages do Jul 21 04:56:53 yeah, the first rule is: maemo is not debian :) Jul 21 04:56:58 I found that out painfully Jul 21 04:57:10 not all packages are in repositories (and available for easy reinstall) Jul 21 04:57:20 which, incidentally, is a pet peeve of mine about the packages listed in the package manager. It seems 80% of the packages on maemo.org say "Maemo version of frotzbangbaz" without telling me what that is Jul 21 04:57:20 johnx: this is why I stopped by this channel ;-) Jul 21 04:57:37 there's a ton of semi-incompatible releases Jul 21 04:57:40 heh Jul 21 04:57:41 johnx: woot :P Jul 21 04:57:46 and repos all over the place Jul 21 04:57:50 rm_you, w00? Jul 21 04:57:58 jott / lcuk_zzz / lardman: got it pulling UPC codes from the database Jul 21 04:58:02 Well, SSU should largely solve the packages-not-available issue Jul 21 04:58:06 checked in r37 Jul 21 04:58:25 can now scan things and it will say what they are :P Jul 21 04:58:26 GeneralAntilles, I was pretty sure there was still some unavailable stuff Jul 21 04:58:36 question #2 is, and I *have* tested and googled for this... Why does the retrieve "messages and attachments" option in the diablo mail client not actually retrieve message bodies until you click on a message? (Dunno if it did in previous releases, that mail client sucked too much to use) Jul 21 04:58:37 :P Jul 21 04:58:39 CosmicRay, anyways, check which repo those gstreamer updates are coming from Jul 21 04:58:48 johnx, sure, not everything has been updated Jul 21 04:58:50 Give it time Jul 21 04:58:52 yes I do have a handful of 3rd-party repos Jul 21 04:59:00 Once every package has had an update pushed via SSU. . . . Jul 21 04:59:21 GeneralAntilles, You're so optimistic it's heart warming :) Jul 21 04:59:30 Not optimistic Jul 21 04:59:36 That's just the way it has to be Jul 21 04:59:45 If an update is pushed via SSU, it has to be in a repo. Jul 21 04:59:49 There's no way around that. Jul 21 05:00:28 is it just me, or is Diablo all fucked up? Jul 21 05:00:48 if by all fucked up you mean delicious, then no Jul 21 05:01:24 by all fucked up I mean that you can't install (e.g.) camera because /tmp is too small. Jul 21 05:01:52 Just you. Jul 21 05:02:00 http://www.fring.com/linux/N810.install They have got to be shitting me. Jul 21 05:02:09 SDK repo _ON DEVICE_? Jul 21 05:02:15 Hello, reboot loop. . . . Jul 21 05:02:42 CosmicRay, sorry, not booted into OS200x right now. can't check the mail client. Just make sure that the gstreamer packages aren't the ones conflicting with osso-software-version-rx44 Jul 21 05:02:52 anyone wants to buy an N810 NEW IN THE BOX NEVER TOUCHED for 317 ? Jul 21 05:02:55 USD Jul 21 05:03:18 johnx: pretty sure not Jul 21 05:03:24 I think it's two separate issues Jul 21 05:03:39 then go for it I guess Jul 21 05:03:51 I'm in the "don't fix what ain't broken" camp Jul 21 05:03:58 fair enough Jul 21 05:03:59 my n810 is working fine, gpg is there, I won't touch it ;-) Jul 21 05:04:01 reboot FTW Jul 21 05:04:48 CosmicRay, I just think it's easier to deal with it now then wait until you want to install something else only to have apt-get complain at you... Your choice of course :) Jul 21 05:05:08 I am used to dealing with apt-get complaints. Jul 21 05:05:13 I run sid on my workstations. ;-) Jul 21 05:05:55 nelson: your name sounds *very* familiar but I can't quite place it. Jul 21 05:06:35 CosmicRay: google for "russ" Jul 21 05:06:42 nelson, if you still have problems after reboot you might want to see if something is hogging all your /tmp space Jul 21 05:06:54 CosmicRay: context: packet drivers, freemacs, qmail, open source initiative. Jul 21 05:07:14 nelson: it appears you make people happy, own a restaurant, and are a cultural phenomenon in Norway ;-) Jul 21 05:07:14 ah! Jul 21 05:07:17 johnx: the reboot fixed it. Jul 21 05:07:25 CosmicRay: all of the above! Jul 21 05:07:28 heh Jul 21 05:08:00 ZOMG I'm not on the top page anymore. Jul 21 05:08:12 heh Jul 21 05:08:17 oh, how the mighty have fallen! Jul 21 05:08:26 keep hanging out here. The maemo irc logs show up on google a lot :) Jul 21 05:08:33 I suspect I used your packet drivers and maybe talked with you when I was on the SPI board? Jul 21 05:08:52 or maybe I just read your mails during the Nth Great Unpleasantness ;-) Jul 21 05:09:03 CosmicRay: probably the latter. Yep, likely. :-) Jul 21 05:09:06 hehe Jul 21 05:09:38 incidentally, googling for john will not find me. Jul 21 05:09:48 The ASSIGNED practice in Bugzilla seems really random. . . . Jul 21 05:10:33 I am also confused about the "last updated" field in the new mail client Jul 21 05:10:41 send & receive doesn't seem to make it update Jul 21 05:19:40 should /tmp be only 512k? Jul 21 05:21:40 i dont even make the front page of google for my LAST name >_< Jul 21 05:21:48 and i dont really have a common last name :/ Jul 21 05:28:01 Woo second hit Jul 21 06:04:02 anyone have the iphone keyboard working? Jul 21 06:05:04 wrong channel? Jul 21 06:05:22 for the n800 Jul 21 06:05:38 is there a different channel that i might be better suited asking in? Jul 21 06:06:15 i dont know what an iphone keyboard is Jul 21 06:06:31 http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ Jul 21 06:06:49 its just the iphone keyboard but on the n800, the iphone is a popular cell phone going around. Jul 21 06:07:05 which has its own touch screen keyboard layout. Jul 21 06:08:32 it was never released. apparently it didn't work out too well Jul 21 06:09:09 are they any other alternate keyboard layouts? I installed ukeyboards Jul 21 06:11:21 Jaffa, poke. Jul 21 06:14:08 mib_4wlxyu, well there's a dvorak layout here: http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ Jul 21 06:14:23 and you could always make your own *hint, hint, poke, poke* Jul 21 06:15:32 thanks Jul 21 06:16:47 Hrm, who added a captcha to the wiki? Jul 21 06:26:13 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla&rcid=5041 Jul 21 06:26:38 if anybody wants to jump in. Jul 21 06:27:55 hey guys Jul 21 06:42:32 Hi facing "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" Inside Scratch-box. Why so ? and How to fix ? Jul 21 06:48:52 I guess that isn't set by the target.. Jul 21 06:49:53 XTLi, so how to do it ? Jul 21 06:49:53 Wiki says it overrides a conffile setting Jul 21 06:50:09 It shouldn't be an error, I think Jul 21 06:50:29 But you can just set (export) it if you wnt Jul 21 06:51:22 Unless your target really doesn't have cpu transparency set. Jul 21 06:58:14 http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo-org_sprint3_irc_planning_meeting/ Jul 21 06:58:14 :D Jul 21 07:02:51 hey Jul 21 07:03:01 is it easy to get online from blueetooth dun ? Jul 21 07:03:56 gramulhaozin, it should be, yes Jul 21 07:04:37 johnx: do you use it ? Jul 21 07:04:48 nope. but a lot of other people do Jul 21 07:27:10 morning Jul 21 07:27:44 mornin' :) Jul 21 07:30:07 gramulhaozin: BT DUN is supposed out-of-the-box. Jul 21 07:31:40 Jaffa: got it Jul 21 07:31:40 it's nice Jul 21 07:31:45 cool Jul 21 07:31:46 I was thinking about it Jul 21 07:31:52 and saw a video on youtube about it Jul 21 07:32:25 Jaffa: is the GPS still really slow ? Jul 21 07:36:33 A-GPS helps Jul 21 07:37:32 a bit Jul 21 07:38:36 Jaffa: no the regular GPS on the N810 Jul 21 07:38:44 does it takes 5 minutes to find the sattelites still ? Jul 21 07:39:05 gramulhaozin: n810 gps is a-gps Jul 21 07:39:22 gramulhaozin: and for Diablo there is application to fetch satelite datas for agps. Jul 21 07:39:52 but it looks like each time when gps is started it do cold fix instead of trying to reuse data from last fix Jul 21 07:40:41 a-gps is different from GPS ? Jul 21 07:42:44 AGPS = assisted GPS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS Jul 21 07:44:01 Jaffa: but why does it take 5 minutes to get gps lock on the N810 ? Jul 21 07:45:07 gramulhaozin, it has a crappy GPS chipset and/or antenna and you're not using the A-GPS support Jul 21 07:45:38 gramulhaozin, http://www.nokia.com/A41163987 Jul 21 07:45:43 johnx: you mean on the N810 ? Jul 21 07:45:53 yes Jul 21 07:46:46 my old ass gps locks in about 30 seconds Jul 21 07:47:03 it's and old ass navman Jul 21 07:47:04 that's nice Jul 21 07:47:21 a-gps uses the internet right ? Jul 21 07:47:41 it can use different methods to assist the GPS Jul 21 07:47:47 it's a whole bunch of technologies Jul 21 07:48:45 johnx: so without a-gps how long does it takes to lock ? Jul 21 07:49:01 I don't even have an n810, but it would depend on the situation Jul 21 07:49:27 no offense, but this has all been covered before. Try searching. Jul 21 07:49:39 gramulhaozin: with or without it can takes eons or seconds Jul 21 07:49:46 usually longer then shorter Jul 21 07:50:43 johnx: Jul 21 07:50:51 people are saying 5 minutes Jul 21 07:50:53 3 minutes Jul 21 07:51:06 VERY IMPORTANT WARNING TO THOSE WHO USE sudser: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=205356&postcount=15 Jul 21 07:52:59 gramulhaozin, well those are certainly between seconds and eons, so I'd be inclined to agree that those are possible numbers Jul 21 07:53:09 wow Jul 21 07:53:12 but that's slow ass Jul 21 07:53:25 zap: if you want to be really geeky, keyboard + fb_update_mode would let you enter a password :/ Jul 21 07:53:27 need to go to Home Depot, okay wait 10 minutes to find satellite lock Jul 21 07:53:29 that's alot Jul 21 07:54:01 gramulhaozin: With a-gps I normally get fixes in about a minute. Jul 21 07:54:01 it depends on the conditions Jul 21 07:54:12 X-Fade: lucky you Jul 21 07:54:29 so I would not think about n810 as a GPS Jul 21 07:54:30 gramulhaozin, having a clear view of the of southern sky helps, using A-GPS helps, getting a warm fix helps Jul 21 07:54:38 my n810 usually starts from 0/0 satelites even if I use a-gps ui before Jul 21 07:54:38 Haven't tried very recently Jul 21 07:54:46 right gramulhaozin Jul 21 07:54:57 :( Jul 21 07:55:05 I think that it should start from 0/11 0/12 after agps-ui use... or after older fix Jul 21 07:55:06 hrw: With a-gps I get my 12 sats info in about 30 seconds. Jul 21 07:55:18 I will try that Jul 21 07:55:27 usually i only get 4 and no lock (trees, germany) Jul 21 07:55:36 I wanted to trow away my old ass navman Jul 21 07:55:41 no not with a n810 Jul 21 07:55:42 but looks like it will need to stay Jul 21 07:55:54 depends on your location and enviro though Jul 21 07:55:54 pupnik, maybe try climbing one of the trees Jul 21 07:56:19 i really have no problem walking out into the middile of a park Jul 21 07:56:34 and holding my n810 up towards the sun and freezing in that position for 5 minutes Jul 21 07:56:50 wow Jul 21 07:56:53 if anyone asks i'll mumble something about facing the sleeper beneath the sea Jul 21 07:56:53 5 minutes dude Jul 21 07:57:01 that's unusable Jul 21 07:57:05 and like the shoggoths Jul 21 07:57:23 does the gps subsystem remember the last lock? Jul 21 07:57:26 *fix Jul 21 07:57:26 I hate to have 300 gears in the car Jul 21 07:57:33 my car doesn't have any space for anything Jul 21 07:57:47 aquatix: Only within 2 minutes orso. Jul 21 07:57:55 Not woth that shifter, I'm sure Jul 21 07:58:15 XTL, that's exactly what I was thinking :D Jul 21 07:58:26 X-Fade: will agps 'learn' about wifi spots as it passes by them? Jul 21 07:58:31 hi all Jul 21 07:58:37 my car only has 6 gears (including reverse) :/ Jul 21 07:58:39 pupnik: I don't think so. Jul 21 07:59:04 pupnik: That is why there is a request for GeoClue -> a-gps ;) Jul 21 07:59:26 ah ty Jul 21 07:59:26 pupnik, that might make a neat thing to do with dbus-scripts though in the reverse order Jul 21 07:59:48 on connect -> add a tag to the current network with it's lat/lon Jul 21 07:59:56 johnx: how reverse? if gps has a lock and it sees a wifi, it would be nice to save that info Jul 21 08:00:08 oh i see yes Jul 21 08:00:20 that would be 3rd party doable :) Jul 21 08:00:33 make a database of wifi point locations :) Jul 21 08:00:43 well i think kismet can do this Jul 21 08:00:53 and it's preferable to active scanning Jul 21 08:00:58 maemo-plazer :) Jul 21 08:01:15 * johnx really needs to get a bt gps Jul 21 08:02:59 johnx: frustrated with the built in gps ? Jul 21 08:03:06 johnx has an n800 Jul 21 08:03:09 no GPS for him :/ Jul 21 08:03:48 pupnik, and kismet is pretty shaky even in the best situation Jul 21 08:05:08 stability? Jul 21 08:05:28 monitor mode isn't exactly awesome on the cx3110x Jul 21 08:05:30 on 770 it was solid for me. haven't used much on n810, but i remember some problems initializing Jul 21 08:05:40 there are some...issues on the n8x0 systems Jul 21 08:06:04 it seems like it's working but it seems to create hundreds of "ghost" access points or something Jul 21 08:06:54 anyways, I don't want a db of thousands of locked down, non-public access points. All I want to add are places where I've successfully used an AP Jul 21 08:07:04 the maemo-plazer thing looks nice for that Jul 21 08:08:17 john ?do you ever drive somewhere just to get free internet ? Jul 21 08:08:29 heh...definitely not Jul 21 08:08:47 my car is sitting parked in another country right now :) Jul 21 08:08:53 funny lwn (lkml, linus, and funny comments) Jul 21 08:08:54 Be careful what you say here, this channel is logged and I send a copy to the government every week. Jul 21 08:09:34 qwerty12, :P Jul 21 08:09:44 hehe Jul 21 08:09:53 This channel's logs _do_ show up often in Google searches. Jul 21 08:10:06 Meh, I'd probably get incriminated with some of the stuff I've said on here :P Jul 21 08:10:24 johnx, you do understand that my original query was about collecting snapshots of wlans at various locations for storage in a local cache that can be searched (quickly) for currently-in-range wlans and thereby retrieve their gps locations for the assist. just to be clear. Jul 21 08:10:47 pupnik, aaah, nope, I read it the same way x-fade did Jul 21 08:11:23 nevermind, actually I just only thought of half of why it would be cool Jul 21 08:11:33 ok Jul 21 08:11:40 but I get it now Jul 21 08:11:54 that database might be quite large... depending on how often/far you travel Jul 21 08:11:55 the only hard part would be feeding it back into A-GPS Jul 21 08:11:59 yep Jul 21 08:12:35 i could also make a nice algo for the cache Jul 21 08:12:47 but an additional field that confirmed that a certain AP in that db was an open, public AP you'd successfully used before would be nice too Jul 21 08:12:54 oh sure Jul 21 08:14:47 it's surprising how bad the N810's GPS/AGPS is. My free-with-contract phone takes at most a minute to get a lock even in rather dense downtown areas Jul 21 08:15:03 Any reason the bootmenu d initfs_flasher couldn't go in Extras or Extras-devel? Jul 21 08:15:06 possibly it was designed for a plastic case? Jul 21 08:15:19 maybe it's too haxxorish? Jul 21 08:15:33 I think it's the case/form not being the best for rf comms as well Jul 21 08:15:39 pupnik, I think the same GPS isn't exactly working well for the N95 either... Jul 21 08:17:00 somebody take it apart and test it without the case :D Jul 21 08:17:22 Undoubtedly Nokia has good antenna people etc, but you do get constraints on a device like this. Jul 21 08:17:25 maybe I could try without battery cover? Jul 21 08:17:26 yes Jul 21 08:17:47 You should have got AStorm to try when he disassembled his N810. Jul 21 08:17:48 also having the keyboard open or closed might make a difference Jul 21 08:18:13 If the nit was a "real" navigator, they'd propably try harder or compromise elsewhere. Jul 21 08:18:42 Of course they might just have picked poor (cheap, small) parts Jul 21 08:18:48 I think A-GPS must work a lot better for cell phones Jul 21 08:19:05 XTL, I think that both parts are likely Jul 21 08:19:25 The marketing for the GPS chip they chose screamed "bargain basement" Jul 21 08:19:47 what about a project bourse for maemo projects. subscribers pledge donations to a completed task. indy developer does it, releases it to the site - then after a quick check the site admin awards the project bounty Jul 21 08:19:53 Anybody have some input for me on that '/usr on sd' article on the wiki? Jul 21 08:20:12 I really want it gone. Bad article, bad info. Jul 21 08:20:14 cause auto-learning wlan agps assist could really help my device Jul 21 08:20:44 pupnik: Do you move around more than 100KM a lot? Jul 21 08:20:51 X-Fade: no Jul 21 08:20:58 Then it wouldn't matter ;) Jul 21 08:21:00 I still thing filesystem overlays and per-process fs namespaces would be a neat way to install sw Jul 21 08:21:08 bummer ok ty Jul 21 08:21:08 morning all :) Jul 21 08:21:15 GAN800: will look Jul 21 08:21:19 There is no need for accurate a-gps info. Jul 21 08:21:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition Jul 21 08:21:40 Wouldn't have to worry about fs space when each app could be whereever Jul 21 08:21:42 It needs to generally know what satellites to expect. But margin of error can be as much as 100KM. Jul 21 08:21:58 XTLi, it would mainly help for games I think Jul 21 08:22:07 otherwise everyone would have to repackage all the same dependencies Jul 21 08:22:27 Problem is that the gps feature doesn't remember where it was the last time. Or at least doesn't use that info correctly. Jul 21 08:22:29 That method offers no advantages to full-on sd booting and lots of disadvantages. Jul 21 08:22:32 Deps would have to be mounted first, yes Jul 21 08:22:52 Or be builtin to each image or root Jul 21 08:23:31 GAN800, does it work at all? Jul 21 08:23:42 Unlikely to come up on Linux anytime soon, though Jul 21 08:23:52 X-Fade you catch my proposal for a Bugzilla meeting after the sprint review? Jul 21 08:24:02 johnx, sure, but not well. Jul 21 08:24:02 Not a dist with legacy anyway. Jul 21 08:24:16 GAN800: Nope. Jul 21 08:24:17 GAN800, then leave it in place and stick a big warning at the top Jul 21 08:24:22 GAN800: perhaps the article should refer to the alternative of installing the full FS to flash and multibooting? Jul 21 08:24:29 right Jul 21 08:24:34 You're much better off using sd booting and that article will just confuse people. Jul 21 08:24:48 maybe some people don't want to mess with the bootloader for some reason Jul 21 08:25:03 That's one option, but even with a health warning the article is in terrible shape. . . . Jul 21 08:25:05 though i have no idea why the howto mentions reflashing Jul 21 08:25:31 and I'm not going to put any effort into making it not suck. Jul 21 08:25:44 X-Fade, hit the sprint3 talk page. Jul 21 08:26:04 If I'm not going to put the effort in, I doubt anybody else will. Jul 21 08:26:06 oh it already has 'what else you should consider' Jul 21 08:26:14 right near the top Jul 21 08:26:18 So the article is doomed to suck for all eternity. Jul 21 08:26:28 GAN800, yeah, kill it Jul 21 08:26:29 and only serves to confuse people. Jul 21 08:26:45 anyone who would benefit would figure this all out on their own Jul 21 08:26:50 johnx, put a comment to that effect on the talk page. Jul 21 08:27:11 Lacking good speedy deletion guidelines, I need some sort of concensus. Jul 21 08:28:33 where in the wiki are the guidelines outlined concerning what level of linux-user the wiki must address? Jul 21 08:28:37 GAN800: BTW, I'm suggesting we start the election process in the next timebox^Wsprint. Jul 21 08:28:43 GAN800: Where should I read that on the Sprint3 page? Jul 21 08:29:07 pupnik, I think the idea is to address as large a group as possible. Jul 21 08:30:01 X-Fade, https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:100Days/Sprint3 Jul 21 08:30:05 Jaffa, too. Jul 21 08:32:29 GAN800: I don't see any other bugzilla mentions other than the plugin? :) Jul 21 08:32:54 lol? https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:100Days/Sprint3#Bugzilla_Meeting Jul 21 08:33:22 GeneralAntilles: Ah doh.. The talk page ;) Jul 21 08:33:52 * GeneralAntilles pokes andre___. Jul 21 08:35:17 now unionfs might be a really cool thing :) Jul 21 08:36:27 X-Fade: how's it going in getting wiki.maemo.org's SSL cert fixed? Wasn't going to raise an issue since you said it was being worked on, but it's still b0rked. Jul 21 08:36:48 Jaffa: All people I need are back from holiday today ;) Jul 21 08:36:57 Jaffa: So I'm optimistic now.. Jul 21 08:38:00 Has anyone played with unionfs for the tablets? Jul 21 08:40:48 For anybody who missed it the first time around: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla Jul 21 08:40:55 Jaffa, lifted some stuff from your article. Jul 21 08:41:32 where can I find gstreamer-tools for diablo ? Jul 21 08:42:16 GeneralAntilles: Bugjar + bugzilla wiki plugin can be a good tool for better visibility.. Jul 21 08:42:35 GeneralAntilles: Nicer reports at least :) Jul 21 08:44:47 Re unionfs, there's also mhddfs Jul 21 08:48:00 I'm guessing there's no fuse in the kernel though Jul 21 08:48:47 XTLi, but there's a nice fuse package Jul 21 08:49:02 Oh? Jul 21 08:49:23 onion, XTLi : look on gronmayer.com/it :) Jul 21 08:49:49 Right. How didn't I think of that.. Jul 21 08:50:00 johnx: thanks Jul 21 08:50:15 I hadn't heard of mhddfs though Jul 21 08:50:18 I'll look at it Jul 21 08:50:33 I think it might be really ideal for games with lots of data that want to look for it in a common place Jul 21 08:50:42 It was just what I needed on some system Jul 21 08:50:55 and if it's fuse it doesn't need root permissions Jul 21 08:50:59 Haven't seen an unionfs since bsd forever ago Jul 21 08:51:34 there looks to be about 3 current unionfs implementations for linux...craziness Jul 21 08:53:28 mhddfs looks like it wouldn't make a good rootfs though :/ Jul 21 08:53:34 that's always the problem... Jul 21 08:54:08 Heh, no. I don't think it would Jul 21 08:55:46 qwerty12, have you ever heard of unionfs? Jul 21 08:56:05 johnx: yes, I did a 1/2 port to the N800 Jul 21 08:56:21 (The module itself works, the scripts don't :/) Jul 21 08:56:41 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19104 Jul 21 08:57:13 I was toying with the idea of trying to setup some kind of common framework for packaging games and other sometimes-used big programs as an fs overlay Jul 21 08:58:01 I know pipeline is using iso images that are mounted. Jul 21 08:58:12 ah, right Jul 21 08:58:15 that's who it was Jul 21 08:58:17 * johnx searches Jul 21 08:58:23 Hi ! Jul 21 08:58:30 Hi Khertan_TheReal Jul 21 08:58:33 hey Khertan_TheReal Jul 21 08:59:33 noone have made a new magical tool that can made source package to enable me to made package onboard to update it onboard to maemo extras ? Jul 21 08:59:35 :) Jul 21 09:00:04 I believe that magical tool is called dpkg-buildpackage Jul 21 09:00:37 Khertan_TheReal, you could try to install the debian packaging tools from the maemo-sdk repository (dpkg-dev dpkg-buildpackage) Jul 21 09:00:45 yes the same one that don't work on the device :) Jul 21 09:01:16 and once i ve successfully install all depandancies ... the device don't boot anymore ... Jul 21 09:01:16 why don't they work? Jul 21 09:01:25 ah Jul 21 09:01:27 sh: bad signal 's' Jul 21 09:01:41 busybox powa ... Jul 21 09:01:46 heh Jul 21 09:01:55 yeah, no luck I guess Jul 21 09:01:56 so i ve install many thing :) Jul 21 09:02:04 and at the end ... crash Jul 21 09:02:06 :) Jul 21 09:02:23 johnx > no luck ... yes it s the word Jul 21 09:02:49 i think i ll take less time to do my own repository and auto upload website Jul 21 09:06:39 amirullah seems to be having real problems getting his logo entries to display. Jul 21 09:13:54 OK, emailed -community about the meeting. Jul 21 09:14:14 Hopefully we'll be able to get some real traction going on some of these tasks tomorrow. Jul 21 09:15:57 ~lart git Jul 21 09:15:58 * infobot whips git with a wet and grimy noodle just because Jul 21 09:18:41 * sp3000 is sure git can handle noodles just fine Jul 21 09:22:27 Does gitweb have an option to download a tarball then? repo.or.cz is messing me around :/ Jul 21 09:25:05 bah, i just use github. easy as pie there ;) Jul 21 09:26:01 This isn't my projects :P, I'm trying to grab a few Jul 21 09:26:28 Anyway, just figured it out :/ Jul 21 09:35:40 is there a documentation on how to make own dictionary for predicting input? Jul 21 09:45:42 qwerty12, awesome: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=205375&postcount=19 <_< Jul 21 09:46:31 GeneralAntilles: Fuck that guy, poom don't even know what he is talking about. Jul 21 09:46:58 He posts shit like that all the time. Jul 21 09:47:02 So irritating Jul 21 09:53:27 GeneralAntilles: I know what dependencies he meant, kernel-flasher & company Jul 21 09:53:46 zap, likely. Jul 21 09:54:35 But the actual dependencies are rather less relevant than the fact that he's an idiot denigrating a perfectly good package for no good reason. Jul 21 09:55:59 Nokia should just go ahead and push something trivial through SSU so we don't have to deal with that stupidity anymore Jul 21 09:56:16 yes, rootsh hadn't broken any devices :) it even saved my friend's device Jul 21 09:56:52 GeneralAntilles, something to kill^H^H^H^Hfix annoying users? Jul 21 09:57:22 johnx, think we can reliably determine whether somebody's an idiot in 10 questions or less? :D Jul 21 09:57:26 I just think that guy was pissed off when he tried to apt-get rootsh and failed Jul 21 09:57:44 How do you apt-get rootsh without having root access :P Jul 21 09:57:50 he did not understood that it's not rootsh's problem Jul 21 09:58:13 qwerty12: perhaps he had becomeroot or something installed Jul 21 09:58:18 or ssh Jul 21 09:58:23 or that Jul 21 09:58:26 zap, he has a history of idiocy. Jul 21 09:58:52 True. If he had becomeroot installed, then it would have showed up as an conflicting package. There I can see his dependency problem. Jul 21 09:58:54 well, thats another story :) Jul 21 09:59:22 Hrm, the missing flash-and-reboot stuff will show up for any install on a clean Diablo, right? Jul 21 09:59:31 Yeah :/ Jul 21 09:59:37 * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like digging out a USB cable to flash his sister's N800 to confirm. Jul 21 09:59:44 OK, good, I'm filing a bug now. ;) Jul 21 10:00:18 I know if I flashed my sister's k750, she would kill me :P Jul 21 10:00:43 qwerty12, feel like grabbing as many of the "What are theses missing depencies threads" off itT as possible while I hit the mailing lists and finish up the bug? Jul 21 10:01:10 GeneralAntilles: Ok Jul 21 10:01:26 GeneralAntilles: got OS X up & running yesterday so will try and rename and iron out a few bugs in 770Flasher.app Jul 21 10:01:28 it's a known problem, Nokia have explained it on the mailing list Jul 21 10:01:31 Maybe a list of 2 dozen threads will convince them to hurry up with an SSU update. Jul 21 10:01:39 Jaffa, awesome! Jul 21 10:01:45 zap, yes, I'm well aware Jul 21 10:01:53 The bug is for them to hurry up and push an SSU update. Jul 21 10:02:14 Explaining to newbies that they have to run apt-get -f install is getting a little old Jul 21 10:02:22 and is leading to a lot of misconceptions Jul 21 10:02:30 well if it's a newbie he won't get root access :) Jul 21 10:07:04 GeneralAntilles, pong (but I guess that I'm too late now that I've read your mail already. Sounds good to me) Jul 21 10:07:23 GeneralAntilles: http://slexy.org/view/s2akzjDOg5 Jul 21 10:07:40 GeneralAntilles: might even try to get 0xffff as the underlying flasher and so remove the dependency on Nokia Jul 21 10:07:45 Beautiful. Thanks, qwerty12. Jul 21 10:08:17 No problem. Thanks for filing the bug, Nokia need to get a move on :P Jul 21 10:18:17 Hi, [sbox-CHINOOK_RAMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime => Error loading /usr/bin/apt-get Jul 21 10:18:26 How to fix ? Jul 21 10:18:30 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3478 Jul 21 10:18:38 It's, of course, not going to have any effect Jul 21 10:18:43 But we can hope. Jul 21 10:22:38 qwerty12, you, if anybody, might have poked at this, but any idea how to cleanly get Application manager to follow the theme's text color? Jul 21 10:22:40 Jaffa > osx ... do u have a mac ? Jul 21 10:23:26 GeneralAntilles: No, sorry, I've never actually noticed. Jul 21 10:23:51 GeneralAntilles, IIRC, the theme is hard coded into the appman Jul 21 10:24:08 GeneralAntilles, just needed to add support for it Jul 21 10:24:32 about the post of suduser and white screen ... Jul 21 10:24:45 I'd offer a recompile but my last recompile of the application-manager killed it off. apt-get install --reinstall hildon-application-manager saved my ass :/ Jul 21 10:25:04 do u know what the problem with the white screen ? Jul 21 10:25:21 They switched to Cairo for rendering the list in Diablo. Jul 21 10:25:25 as i get the same thing :) Jul 21 10:25:34 Khertan_TheReal, it's waiting for a password. Jul 21 10:25:41 ah ... Jul 21 10:25:42 oki Jul 21 10:25:49 so mine prob is different :) Jul 21 10:25:58 Didn't rpm have an option to repack an installed package into .rpm? Jul 21 10:26:13 Evil, but funny. Jul 21 10:26:21 * qwerty12 keeps meaning to try out fedora :/ Jul 21 10:26:24 XTLi, you might be interested in dpkg-repack :) Jul 21 10:26:40 debian packager for .rpm ? Jul 21 10:26:43 now that's evil Jul 21 10:26:46 I was jus wondering about that :) Jul 21 10:26:51 crashanddie, nah, that's alien Jul 21 10:26:59 dpkg-repack is pretty useful though Jul 21 10:26:59 johnx, isn't that the same thing ? Jul 21 10:27:04 * qwerty12 <3's alien Jul 21 10:27:11 crashanddie, dpkg-repack and alien? no totally different Jul 21 10:27:18 Making rollback packages was the intended use I think Jul 21 10:33:16 X-Fade, ping re #3477 Jul 21 10:33:28 GeneralAntilles: Yes? Jul 21 10:33:35 What are your bits? Jul 21 10:33:43 You're seeing the classification page, right? Jul 21 10:34:16 Yep. Jul 21 10:34:32 Well, normal users shouldn't be seeing that. Jul 21 10:34:45 So, the bug is mostly irrelevant for the time being. Jul 21 10:35:07 It'll be one of the bits your account has set that's making that show up for you. Jul 21 10:35:08 Ah, well.. Jul 21 10:35:34 We're mostly waiting to get with ferenc or guenther to update the templates. Jul 21 10:35:34 GeneralAntilles: I just saw a new 'All' option show up, and I _hate_ those ;) Jul 21 10:36:41 Which is one of the things we'll need to discuss during the Bugzilla meeting tomorrow. Jul 21 10:37:09 hi apt-get update is failing why so ? Anything going on web site side. Jul 21 10:37:11 It is unable to download the things/ Jul 21 10:37:27 But, uh, the plan at the moment is to move the website into its own classification, and move the current components up to products. Jul 21 10:38:27 Yeah, that would be a good thing. Jul 21 10:41:54 My current idea for the template would be something along the lines of:

's for Maemo Software, Nokia, and Website with descriptions and a list of their components under each, and an

for Garage with a description down at the bottom that takes you to a page with all Garage products. Jul 21 10:42:06 So there _probably_ wont be a need for All Jul 21 10:42:17 Goood :) Jul 21 10:42:22 /we can just make "All" small. Jul 21 10:43:07 i'd stick all in small at the +bottom+ Jul 21 10:43:24 Khertan_TheReal: not exactly, just wanted enough of a dev environment on my primarily Linux box to update the flasher etc Jul 21 10:45:25 Jaffa, you need a new, more generic icon. Jul 21 10:45:34 512x512 preferably. ;) Jul 21 10:45:38 Indeed. Provisions welcome :) Jul 21 10:46:01 ...and a name. Tablet Flasher's a bit boring. "Flasher for Maemo" I did think of with the new TM/brand guidelines Jul 21 10:46:56 Masher Jul 21 10:46:59 I like Tablet Flasher myself Jul 21 10:47:01 But "Flasher" is a technical term. "Updater" might be better. I'll also want beta testers with varying versions of OS X and a willingness to reflash devices Jul 21 10:47:11 Boring, but it gets the point across with little ambiguity. Jul 21 10:47:17 true Jul 21 10:47:36 Fits with things like tablet-encode and tablet-browser, too. Jul 21 10:48:16 The community uses "flash", "flasher" and "flashing" extensively enough that you're probably better off just using that. Jul 21 10:48:38 My personal feeling is that "Updater" is mildly confusing in light of SSU. Jul 21 10:49:11 The OS X/Linux flasher itself is called flasher too :/. Although you could argue that the windows one says update. Jul 21 10:49:24 https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification#The_GPL_violation_issue Jul 21 10:50:24 qwerty12: yeah, it was the name of the Windows one which prompted that thought Jul 21 10:51:55 Maybe if it were officially sanctioned by Nokia Jul 21 10:52:01 and appeared on the support pages Jul 21 10:52:23 But seeing as it's going to be community tool that's community supported. . . . Jul 21 10:52:41 s/it's going/it's/ Jul 21 10:52:42 GeneralAntilles meant: But seeing as it's to be community tool that's community supported. . . . Jul 21 10:52:54 Bleh Jul 21 10:53:25 It wouldn't appear on www.nokia.com for sure. www.maemo.org maybe, but they seem to be pretty stringent about it by the fact that you have to accept an license agreement. Jul 21 10:56:29 * qwerty12 thinks the flasher features of the OS X/Linux and the Windows flasher needs to be unified. Jul 21 10:56:37 Hi again :) Jul 21 10:57:00 * Khertan_n810 think windows flasher isn t needed Jul 21 10:57:04 andre___, FTV == Fit width to view Jul 21 10:57:06 boo. Jul 21 10:57:39 Khertan_n810: It is when the update servers are bogged down and the windows flasher can do load balancing :/ Jul 21 10:57:45 * RST38h thinks linux fanboys should go screw a penguin, while windows firmware updater stays Jul 21 10:58:01 FTV? WT...? :-) Jul 21 10:58:25 #1884 is resolved. ;) Jul 21 10:58:26 qwerty12 > before load balancing we need real server Jul 21 10:58:46 Also, if you were seeing library packages in Chinook, then it wasn't "broken", you had Red Pill enabled. :P Jul 21 10:58:48 today i must download 4 time firmware Jul 21 10:59:08 as firmware file was truncated 3 time Jul 21 10:59:14 Khertan_n810, keep the image on your hard drive this time. ;) Jul 21 10:59:24 That'd be a caching network issue, anyway. Jul 21 10:59:27 Torrent :) Jul 21 10:59:39 yes but my hard have failed recently Jul 21 11:00:06 Torrent without seed ? Jul 21 11:00:17 yeah, i probably was on red pill. never realized, though Jul 21 11:00:43 "Tablet Flasher" probably wins then. I'll await GA's new icon with baited breath :) Jul 21 11:00:47 Red Pill is mildly evil Jul 21 11:01:03 Jaffa, you'll be waiting until at least the end of August. Jul 21 11:01:13 do u know why application manager try to use the disabled proxy and apt-get update in cmd line work ? Jul 21 11:01:14 I'm not trying my hand at anything until I get back to my rig. ;) Jul 21 11:01:16 s/is mildly evil/the most wildly propagated piece of bad advice in the history of the world... ever/ Jul 21 11:01:29 Jaffa: In Jul 21 11:01:32 Oops Jul 21 11:01:34 Fair enough. I'll try and do something abstract and shiny. Jul 21 11:02:01 The Application manager icon on the Home view in Application manager probably needs to change to an exploding bomb when Red Pill is enabled. Jul 21 11:02:06 It's either that, or write code in XCode which isn't ObjectiveC. Probably Ruby, but dunno how well that works in non-10.5. Jul 21 11:02:45 jaffa > i can help u in objc if u need Jul 21 11:02:47 10.4 should ship with it. Jul 21 11:03:16 i ve made many dev in objc in the past Jul 21 11:03:32 I'll stfu Jul 21 11:03:38 particulary some driver Jul 21 11:03:42 s Jul 21 11:04:06 macos uses drivers written in objc? Jul 21 11:04:36 it can Jul 21 11:04:39 * GeneralAntilles has an uncontrollable urge to thumb all planet posts with "Spam my stupid blog everywhere, pls!!!!!" links at the bottom. Jul 21 11:05:33 khertan: ah, the horror... Jul 21 11:05:54 Khertan_n810: I'd hoped ObjC was more like C#/Vala/Java... it appears to eschew standard syntax to Just Be Different[TM]. I've no real desire to fight through syntax. I may stick with the current Perl app with Platypus wrapper, TBH; with the Perl app wrapping up a 0xffff executable if possible. Jul 21 11:06:04 ga: you know there is only one solution, dont you? Jul 21 11:06:23 Start spamming bug reports to have their feed removed from syndication? Jul 21 11:06:35 jaffa: it is more like smalltalk Jul 21 11:07:00 just because it is not like c++ does not mean it is nonstandard Jul 21 11:07:10 ga: of course not Jul 21 11:07:11 :) Jul 21 11:07:25 ga: the right answer is KILL ALL PEOPLE Jul 21 11:07:43 all is standard in this world look at xml office document Jul 21 11:07:43 Not like c++ is a big ++ in my book Jul 21 11:07:44 :) Jul 21 11:07:51 THAT will stop those pesky brats for good... Jul 21 11:08:15 http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00362/Tom_Moran_362519a.jpg oh yes! evil! :) (sfw) Jul 21 11:09:42 [slashdot troll] But why use another language than C++ considering you can do everything with it ? Jul 21 11:10:16 define everything Jul 21 11:10:22 RST38h: yeah, I don't like C++ much either. There're other languages I'd rather get more to grips with (e.g. Vala) than ObjectiveC given my now limited Mac usage. Jul 21 11:10:23 #define everything * Jul 21 11:10:37 S/c++/brainf**k/ Jul 21 11:10:51 (applefanboystyle) because it s more simple to use objc Jul 21 11:11:06 goto++ powa ! Jul 21 11:11:30 goto++ , Jul 21 11:11:31 ? Jul 21 11:12:16 lol, Khertan_n810 you french propagand artist Jul 21 11:12:26 :) Jul 21 11:14:14 Khertan: that's about as ridicule as Jayce with his MultiDeskOS Jul 21 11:15:22 Stskeeps, did you do something to make the temp sensor work in debian? Jul 21 11:16:53 re :) Jul 21 11:18:10 lcuk_work, that was about time :P Jul 21 11:18:25 :D indeedy Jul 21 11:18:35 been busy Jul 21 11:18:46 so busy you slept at the office? :) Jul 21 11:19:22 lol merely in a rush this morning :P Jul 21 11:19:28 * lcuk_work got up late Jul 21 11:19:47 no shit, you woke up in time for lunch : Jul 21 11:19:48 :P Jul 21 11:19:49 i dunno why i went to sleep earlier than usual Jul 21 11:20:02 lcuk_work, cuz you were tired ? Jul 21 11:20:16 or do I sense a lack of comma there ? Jul 21 11:20:44 nahhh Jul 21 11:21:01 one minute i was reading the next i had missed my alarm clock Jul 21 11:21:23 i did have the good sense to actually lock my 810 and put it away though Jul 21 11:21:30 * lcuk_work cant remember how Jul 21 11:21:50 * lcuk_work makes mental note not to drink red wine again Jul 21 11:23:41 build good n810 habits for those 'special' times when you're not all there Jul 21 11:23:55 Hi everybody. I am uploading blobwars to autobuilder Jul 21 11:24:04 yaay blobwars finally Jul 21 11:24:14 how much work was it? Jul 21 11:24:19 but isn't there dput in maemo-sdk? Jul 21 11:24:22 great! i failed in getting that to run :) Jul 21 11:24:44 mikkov_, you are meant do it outside sdk Jul 21 11:25:14 made two changes to source and couple to makefile Jul 21 11:25:54 lcuk: I dont remember, have you found how to check what library a symbol belongs to? Jul 21 11:26:40 it would be easier if dput was in sdk, because I don't run debian or ubuntu and I don't wan't run any vmware stuff Jul 21 11:27:29 it may be easier for now to use the web interface Jul 21 11:28:53 yeah that's what I used. let's hope that package builds Jul 21 11:35:27 johnx: err.. what temp sensor? Jul 21 11:35:43 Stskeeps, the internal one :) Jul 21 11:35:50 the one that can tell the temperature Jul 21 11:35:52 that one Jul 21 11:35:52 johnx: is it n800 or n810 specific? but no, i did not Jul 21 11:35:58 Stskeeps, ze i2c one :p Jul 21 11:36:00 ah well, I think it works Jul 21 11:36:07 must be standard hal stuff Jul 21 11:36:22 alright Jul 21 11:36:26 or hald-addon-bme Jul 21 11:36:33 or -gpio Jul 21 11:37:11 cat /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.1/i2c-1/1-0048/temp1_input Jul 21 11:37:30 sounds like a thing to use on my "temperature in stskeeps' pocket" graph Jul 21 11:38:04 OMWeather is adding an entry for that sensor Jul 21 11:38:06 pretty cool Jul 21 11:38:15 ripped from internal-temp : cat /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.1/i2c-1/1-0048/temp1_input | sed -e 's/\(.*\)\(..\).$/\1\.\2C/' Jul 21 11:38:56 I can't imagine what sort of operation those Fring guys are running Jul 21 11:40:59 judging from how shitty fring is on s60, they are running it out of a barn Jul 21 11:41:26 and use cheap undergraduate workforce Jul 21 11:41:41 Their install procedure is quite unprofessional. Jul 21 11:43:21 Chinook Extras and Chinook SDK under Diablo. Jul 21 11:43:24 Awesome. Jul 21 11:43:34 I love how everybody on itT is totally enabling it, too. Jul 21 11:43:41 What are they after, anyway? Jul 21 11:43:55 Doesn't rtcomm/Pidgin provide the same stuff? Jul 21 11:44:21 exactly Jul 21 11:44:26 they are after skype Jul 21 11:44:39 but they will never become skype Jul 21 11:45:38 Which of course is nice Jul 21 11:46:22 it is neither nice nor bad Jul 21 11:46:46 just how things are Jul 21 11:46:57 I'm waiting for a telco to provide a SIP gateway with a billing/payment interface Jul 21 11:47:49 you can now try blobwars from extras-devel. tell how it works for you Jul 21 11:48:33 thanks, updating repos now Jul 21 11:49:27 where are fring guys based anyway? Jul 21 11:49:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fring Jul 21 11:49:48 Tel Aviv Jul 21 11:50:00 is there a utility that creates a menu of recently opened applications and documents? Jul 21 11:50:01 ah Jul 21 11:51:13 so fring/skype thing is roughly like icq/irc but there wontt be a coconut this time Jul 21 11:51:52 * timelyx notes that icq was also from israel... Jul 21 11:51:55 seems more like pidgin vs AOL/MSN/Yahoo Jul 21 11:51:57 multi-protocol Jul 21 11:52:03 but closed Jul 21 11:52:16 icq used irc for handshaking Jul 21 11:52:32 caused a lot of controversy once Jul 21 11:53:58 speaking of sip/voip, have I missed something or is it really not possible to use the default pim-framework on diablo to talk to users on platforms other than maemo? separately started applications such as skype do not count. Jul 21 11:54:36 by talk do you mean speech? Jul 21 11:54:57 yes, which is why I mentioned voip Jul 21 11:55:13 as long as you use gtalk it should work Jul 21 11:55:30 or standard sip Jul 21 11:56:53 so far I've tried using gtalk and jabber, but I still can't start a voip-call to my wife's mac. she has tried both ichat and adium. Jul 21 11:57:18 wnd, is that a bug though? Jul 21 11:57:25 I don't really know Jul 21 11:57:47 I've only managed to create a voip call between two n810s, so I kind of started drawing conclusions Jul 21 11:57:48 "im sorry hunny, i cant connect" *back to the pub and the game Jul 21 11:58:18 wnd, I use sip all the time, I can call anywhere Jul 21 11:58:42 back later Jul 21 11:59:06 crashanddie, and you're talking about this "New Internet call", and not some third party application? Jul 21 11:59:21 aye Jul 21 12:00:49 in that case I guess I'll just have to continue trying. I'd better try this between the device and my linux-box when I get back home. thanks. Jul 21 12:01:33 wnd, the SIP I use is provided by my ISP... I can tell you what exactly the settings are if you want Jul 21 12:03:04 I guess that wouldn't do any harm Jul 21 12:05:30 ok, hang on Jul 21 12:05:57 no hurries Jul 21 12:05:59 I'll PM them Jul 21 12:11:59 my ISP has a voip/sip service that lets me move my landline number to it if I wanted, haven't tried it though Jul 21 12:13:30 can anyone recommend a utility that populates a menu with recently opened applications and documents? Jul 21 12:15:46 that's an interesting feature request - an option to automatically repopulate My selection Jul 21 12:16:15 or maybe another category for recent Jul 21 12:16:58 yup, that's just what I was thinking Jul 21 12:17:09 sounds like a great project Jul 21 12:17:11 a separate category for recent items Jul 21 12:17:32 did you web search for it? Jul 21 12:17:44 ShadowJK, yeah, I have the same, I use it sometimes, works nice Jul 21 12:18:22 I did and didn't find anything. the search was basically for "(apps, programs, documents) menu" Jul 21 12:19:49 No, christefano, nobody has made anything like that yet. Jul 21 12:19:59 Do the requests to open go through dbus? Jul 21 12:20:34 GeneralAntilles: I thought so. :( thanks for the corroboration. Jul 21 12:20:38 Maybe that would allow trapping them and adjusting the menu Jul 21 12:21:01 Might even use that dbus scripts package Jul 21 12:21:13 (This is just hamdwaving) Jul 21 12:21:27 christefano, probably better off just installing personal-launcher and sticking all the applications and documents you need on your desktop Jul 21 12:23:02 okay, that's what I'll do. hopefully someone will find time to put into it Jul 21 12:54:04 mornign Jul 21 12:57:44 Anyone know of any os projects working with the n770's other than maemo? Jul 21 12:58:00 nit-debian Jul 21 12:58:03 Poky Jul 21 12:58:05 Mamona Jul 21 12:58:28 ravious, are you interested in working on nit-debian for the n770? Jul 21 12:59:19 eh, i prolly wouldnt be much help, not much of a dev Jul 21 12:59:31 what LED is controlled via /sys/class/leds/cover/ ? Jul 21 12:59:50 even being able to test it and say "works" "doesn't work" would be helpful. if you're interested you should give it a shot Jul 21 12:59:58 if you're not interested, that's fine too Jul 21 13:00:43 I might be if I had a 770 Jul 21 13:01:50 may as well, im always lookin for an excuse to reflash Jul 21 13:01:53 lawl Jul 21 13:02:12 ravious, great, do you have a clear rs-mmc card? if so, how big? Jul 21 13:03:36 i've got 64mb on this one, i could prolly get another one if needed Jul 21 13:04:18 er...sorry if I got your hopes up, but debian needs a little more space than that Jul 21 13:04:51 moo, all Jul 21 13:05:48 m00k Jul 21 13:08:09 morning all Jul 21 13:09:06 hey lophyte Jul 21 13:09:19 whats up? Jul 21 13:09:23 not too much Jul 21 13:09:26 just saying hi Jul 21 13:09:43 mmph... I should wake up earlier Jul 21 13:09:57 cool :) Jul 21 13:10:03 * lcuk_work w00ts for no particular reason Jul 21 13:10:06 Looks like Google Calendar is going to get offline mode using Gears - a small app to read the offline database and generatealarems on the tablets would be cool Jul 21 13:10:13 I'm waiting (im)patiently for my BT GPS Jul 21 13:10:32 jaffa, but gears is tied into the webcache in their format and not in a portable format is it? Jul 21 13:10:34 Jaffa: does gears is available in other form then browser plugin? Jul 21 13:10:53 * hrw does not use gears as there is no 64bit firefox plugin Jul 21 13:11:14 lcuk: isnt it using standard sqlite? Jul 21 13:11:15 actually, i shouldnt get involved with this discussion. back later after work Jul 21 13:11:59 * RST38h periodically has to spend time removing gears when some sneaky google applet installs it Jul 21 13:12:10 RST38h, might be, but i thought the data was internal formats rather than public sml type formats - sincei ts internal and not expected to be used by apps behind the gears framework? Jul 21 13:12:22 xml^ Jul 21 13:12:42 as long as it is relational you can cook it any way you like Jul 21 13:12:45 arghh back later Jul 21 13:12:52 and sqlite = relational Jul 21 13:13:39 anybody else sees a background process from google when gears is installed? Jul 21 13:20:52 rm_you, are you here? Jul 21 13:28:11 RST38h ? google gear ? background process ? sneaky applet install it ??? with Windows Google Desktop ? Jul 21 13:30:25 is it a bad background process? Jul 21 13:31:41 background process are always evil ... Jul 21 13:31:53 else they won't be hide in background ... Jul 21 13:31:59 that's why I hate init Jul 21 13:32:03 it's always messing with me Jul 21 13:32:07 starting other stuff Jul 21 13:32:09 killing Jul 21 13:32:14 die init, die Jul 21 13:32:21 rm it ... :) Jul 21 13:33:05 i would but I didn't trust rm so I deleted it :/ Jul 21 13:34:11 just wget or curl it from a reputable maemo repository Jul 21 13:34:22 :D Jul 21 13:35:58 lol Jul 21 13:36:09 we're lucky something like background processes exist Jul 21 13:36:31 I don't know about you guys, but I don't want a terminal for each and every of the services/apps that run on my computer Jul 21 13:39:07 Trusted computing with MS-DOS - no background processes Jul 21 13:41:14 * jott installs a tsr onto XTLi :P Jul 21 13:41:17 khertan: apparently Jul 21 13:42:01 khertan: I installed google earth plugin and after that found that a background process is always running on my mahine Jul 21 13:42:37 looked closely and found that it comes from google dir and is marked with google gears related signature string Jul 21 13:43:00 kikled it dead but then it somehow appeared again Jul 21 14:03:11 Should diablo's /tmp be only 512kb? Because I can't install maemo-mapper as the install file won't fit in /tmp Jul 21 14:05:46 <3 tmpfs Jul 21 14:06:23 I'd suggest using apt/appmanager to install it Jul 21 14:07:13 Alternatively, you could use something ele to dl the installer. I presume it's a browser putting it to /tmp Jul 21 14:19:27 hm, I just got my n800 back after not having it for over a year. is there any good resource for repositoris or a good list of apps? Jul 21 14:19:55 Tu13es, maemo extras is where all the fun happens Jul 21 14:20:02 i like fun! Jul 21 14:20:53 There's repo lists in maemo.org somewhere Jul 21 14:21:04 For a given os vintage Jul 21 14:21:12 yeah, i looked briefly but couldn't find it Jul 21 14:21:15 though I am an idiot Jul 21 14:21:36 well Jul 21 14:21:44 I'm sure you'll come across them Jul 21 14:21:46 you're using a n800, you can't be that much of an idiot Jul 21 14:21:51 :) Jul 21 14:22:20 GeneralAntilles, https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Triage_guide Jul 21 14:22:36 now, if you had an n810, it would be even better Jul 21 14:22:54 I know, that's a bold statement Jul 21 14:22:57 but it is easily proved Jul 21 14:23:22 by lcuk's IQ and mine combined hitting the 300 easily :P Jul 21 14:24:43 hah, then I picked the right model :) Jul 21 14:26:17 johnx would debian for 770 fit on a 1gb card? Jul 21 14:27:04 I'd say it should fit Jul 21 14:27:29 That's a fair bit of space on any base system Jul 21 14:27:37 andre___: That page is great imo Jul 21 14:29:19 Blafasel, thanks! just a first version, mostly copied and stolen from other places. :) Jul 21 14:32:31 lcuk_work: can't be that hard to reverse engineer a date & time, compared with - say - DSP access ;-) Jul 21 14:33:22 Jaffa: wiki cert fixed. Jul 21 14:34:10 andre___: Read that remark, but it's a nice start anyway. Jul 21 14:36:42 yeah. that was the triagers' part. now to the reporters themselves... Jul 21 14:43:49 wtf, trying to instal python 2.5, says to run apt-get, when I run it it says "blahblah problems, you may want to run apt-get to fix these problems" Jul 21 14:44:22 read more carefully Jul 21 14:44:50 yeah, apt-get update Jul 21 14:44:58 is what I ran and what it tells me to do Jul 21 14:45:25 apt-get -f install? :P Jul 21 14:45:31 "fixing problems" is usually ap...yeah what Stskeeps said Jul 21 14:45:36 sounds different, I guess Jul 21 14:45:39 but, pastebin Jul 21 14:47:10 jaffa, :) of course its not, but the date and time is a tiny part of the way it all fits together. it might just be extractable simply but it would be a lot more difficult getting something bi directional: we would be just as good looking at the xml feed for a calendar? Jul 21 14:50:50 hm, pb: http://pastebin.ca/1078433 Jul 21 14:51:15 That's nothing. ignore it. Jul 21 14:51:30 hmm Jul 21 14:51:39 does it not fail apt-get update then? Jul 21 14:52:29 No, apt-get ignores the message and carries on getting the list of Packages of the server. It only fails when there is an error (E:), not a warning (W:) Jul 21 14:52:51 ah, gotcha Jul 21 14:52:53 thx qwerty12 :) Jul 21 15:14:29 lcuk_work: don't want bidirectional though: with Gears the offline app would be the same as the online one; the only question is how to make it function as a reminder tool in addition to a review/edit/maintain tool Jul 21 15:18:02 anyone know how to replace the apps in the communications tab the web tab Jul 21 15:18:16 er the tab below the web tab Jul 21 15:18:47 Oh, the communication tab? Search for personal menu. Jul 21 15:22:05 How do I get sdl application name to show up in task switcher? I have tried all the tricks I could think/find of and only got ... Jul 21 15:22:09 RST38h: yo Jul 21 15:22:13 lcuk_work: yo Jul 21 15:22:15 jott: yo Jul 21 15:22:29 hey rm_you Jul 21 15:22:34 mikkov_: ExecWMClass IIRC Jul 21 15:22:51 back Jul 21 15:22:52 jott: you try out the UPC database thing yet? :P Jul 21 15:24:08 Hmm, is it possible to extract an msi in Linux? I don't feel like rebooting into Windows. Jul 21 15:24:18 rm_you: got a little suggestion Jul 21 15:24:27 ? Jul 21 15:24:53 Jaffa: that's how I got to that part. I've tried couple of other sdl apps and none of them show real app name in task switcher Jul 21 15:24:59 qwerty12: wine? Jul 21 15:25:09 X-Fade: yay, SSL cert fixed! :-) Jul 21 15:25:14 qwerty, search for personal menu? Jul 21 15:25:23 rm_you: Yeah, I'll have to install universal extractor in wine >.< Jul 21 15:25:31 zfigz: google Jul 21 15:26:19 n810 personal menu? Jul 21 15:27:14 rm_you: not found an item that is in the db yet :P Jul 21 15:27:26 * jott does not have all this vagina stuff Jul 21 15:27:31 jott: did you actually GET the db? :P Jul 21 15:27:34 just checking :P Jul 21 15:27:47 I linked it a couple times Jul 21 15:27:51 up3.db Jul 21 15:27:52 err Jul 21 15:27:55 upc3.db Jul 21 15:28:12 mikkov_: tried SDL_WM_SetCaption? Jul 21 15:28:54 ~lart nokia for not providing md5sum Jul 21 15:28:54 * infobot beats nokia senseless with a 50lb Unix manual for not providing md5sum Jul 21 15:29:08 penguinbait has a binary available Jul 21 15:29:15 ha! Jul 21 15:29:28 jott > i can send u an python md5 version if u want :) Jul 21 15:29:59 hrm Jul 21 15:30:08 is there a more complete UPC db? Jul 21 15:30:16 rm_you: no i don't think so Jul 21 15:30:31 would be great to support xmlrpc for it to submit entries Jul 21 15:30:40 Khertan_TheReal: heh yeah well not that important ;) Jul 21 15:30:46 thanks anyway Jul 21 15:30:53 i will start on an amazon scraping for ISBNs Jul 21 15:30:59 i think Jul 21 15:31:11 qwerty12: yeah I have that. If you know any sdl app which can show other than in task switcher, I could take a look from there Jul 21 15:31:26 getting data for any book/cd would be good Jul 21 15:31:46 rm_you: there are mainly uk/us products in the db.. Jul 21 15:31:58 UK's good for me ;) Jul 21 15:32:06 yeah, noticed... Jul 21 15:32:18 I have tested tyrian, hex-a-hop and fred Jul 21 15:32:22 qwerty12: just try it out and have some fun waving items in front of your n8x0 ;) Jul 21 15:32:25 barely saw any items with german or any other language names Jul 21 15:32:37 qwerty12: download these two files: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode Jul 21 15:32:52 Thanks rm_you, grabbing now :) Jul 21 15:33:04 the bz2 unpacks to about 100mmb Jul 21 15:33:15 youll have to put it on an sd card and symlink it into place Jul 21 15:33:17 Ouch, I've only got 50 MB left :/ Jul 21 15:33:49 total, on every storage device? Jul 21 15:34:33 Well, I threw away my 1GB because dmesg was reporting IO errors on it, and my 8GB's only got 50MB left. Got nothing else, I'll see what I can delete off it. Jul 21 15:36:57 qwerty12: high-speed mmc kernel? Jul 21 15:37:16 hrw: Yeah, but the card was failing anyway. Jul 21 15:37:44 mikkov_: icebreaker? Jul 21 15:43:28 hrw: icebreaker seems to use that games startup screen, so it's not pure sdl Jul 21 15:45:59 <__t> nee, ich habe vorgestern zuletzt mit random gequatscht und der hatte die zugangs daten noch nicht Jul 21 15:46:14 mikkov_: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Game_development "Application name" Jul 21 15:46:23 lol... Jul 21 15:46:32 Reading a CV, I see: "Married with two children aged 9 and 12." Jul 21 15:46:38 now that's ambiguous :D Jul 21 15:46:55 <__t> oops, wrong window Jul 21 15:47:20 mikkov_: important part is the desktop file with "StartupWMClass=" Jul 21 15:47:22 crashanddie: english is strange sometimes Jul 21 15:47:41 mikkov_: and putenv("SDL_VIDEO_X11_WMCLASS=...."); Jul 21 15:48:27 jott: thanks, but with those instruction I got . Are those really supposed to work? Jul 21 15:48:34 hrw, agreed Jul 21 15:49:16 I have also osso_initialize() Jul 21 15:49:23 mikkov_: yes Jul 21 15:49:29 mikkov_: SDL_WM_SetCaption("title", NULL); for the title Jul 21 15:49:39 mikkov_: the wmclass for the task manager Jul 21 15:49:42 ugly but true Jul 21 15:50:06 oh and when changing video modes yo usually have to set the caption again.. Jul 21 15:51:25 crashanddie: lol, I think he needs a comma :P Jul 21 15:51:41 qwerty12 / jott: eh? Jul 21 15:51:54 crashanddie: imagine comma after 'Married' and it will sounds better Jul 21 15:52:00 rm_you: I don't remember saying anything :/ Jul 21 15:52:02 yeah yeah, I know Jul 21 15:52:08 but it's just funny Jul 21 15:52:08 yeah, asking for progress :P Jul 21 15:52:11 what it has to be exactly ("title",NULL)? what's the point, i wonder. but thanks I try that Jul 21 15:52:21 need someone else to test UPC thing, so far has only worked for me :P Jul 21 15:53:01 rm_you: My progress is null as the shitty kernel seems to have a problem with power to the usb when my battery is low :/ Jul 21 15:53:29 >_> Jul 21 15:53:31 plug in? :P Jul 21 15:53:47 I'll have to wait for the battery charge to go up as well :/ Jul 21 15:54:52 mikkov_: http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_WM_SetCaption Jul 21 15:57:23 so is there no way of putting apps into the communications tab? Jul 21 15:57:37 i only use mail inside of it Jul 21 15:58:06 zfigz: take a look at personal menu Jul 21 15:58:22 is that an app? Jul 21 15:58:24 rm_you: i have yet to find an item that is in the db :P Jul 21 15:58:44 zfigz: yes Jul 21 15:58:50 jott: lol, and you actually have the correct DB file? :P Jul 21 15:59:02 yeah i checked with upcdatabase.com Jul 21 15:59:03 jott: i found out that i had misplaced it the first time so nothing i scanned came up ;P Jul 21 15:59:06 ah Jul 21 15:59:06 lol Jul 21 15:59:15 i just fetched it from the above url again Jul 21 15:59:17 jott: scan something on your monitor? :P Jul 21 15:59:22 hah Jul 21 15:59:26 it works Jul 21 15:59:48 also, i think scanning was working very reliably before, but recently it got much harder for it to scan something :/ Jul 21 15:59:49 yeah i know Jul 21 15:59:54 not sure why Jul 21 16:00:09 what have you broken? :P Jul 21 16:00:12 also, still annoyed about camera not flipping :P need to figure out how to fix that bug Jul 21 16:00:13 lol Jul 21 16:00:22 flipping? Jul 21 16:00:29 it scans upside down :P that is neat BTW Jul 21 16:00:33 yeah... Jul 21 16:00:44 n800, rotate camera = image upsidedown Jul 21 16:00:46 yeah it should do 0,90,180,270 degree rotations just fine Jul 21 16:00:59 very annoying for trying to arrange camera Jul 21 16:03:28 * jott installs kbarcode Jul 21 16:03:31 mh Jul 21 16:03:44 your lookup does not really work :P Jul 21 16:04:21 just picked randomly 0000416010778 and it just shows two blank lines.. Jul 21 16:04:46 Got UPC data. filling strings... Jul 21 16:05:48 hrm Jul 21 16:05:53 is it in the DB? Jul 21 16:06:06 yeah i just picked something from the db Jul 21 16:06:11 RST38h, no i havent. i might have got it working last night but its a bit hazy :S Jul 21 16:06:20 hrm worked here Jul 21 16:06:25 rm_you, will test later Jul 21 16:06:26 just scanned this page Jul 21 16:06:29 http://www.upcdatabase.com/item/5410133831153 Jul 21 16:06:31 lcuk_work: k Jul 21 16:06:38 that barcode scanned properly Jul 21 16:07:07 hey, rm_you - do you have rizlas as well :D Jul 21 16:07:17 lol no :P Jul 21 16:07:26 still had page open from you :P Jul 21 16:07:41 only pullin ya leg, i kremember that par tof the conversation, and what i searched for after :D Jul 21 16:07:58 lol Jul 21 16:07:59 * lcuk_work will print out some special barcodes to take to the maemo summit Jul 21 16:08:05 jott: i am able to hit the "random item" link a lot Jul 21 16:08:09 and they all scan here Jul 21 16:08:21 jott: did you bunzip the db? :P Jul 21 16:08:23 back Jul 21 16:08:32 sounds like it is just finding blanks Jul 21 16:09:11 jott, are you shooting blanks then? Jul 21 16:09:14 rm: returning to the topic, can you add two more sliders? Jul 21 16:09:19 RST38h: ? Jul 21 16:09:26 for what, in what? Jul 21 16:09:26 rm_you: yes i unzipped it :P Jul 21 16:09:30 jott: lol Jul 21 16:09:32 jott: well Jul 21 16:09:48 rm: min/max cpu clock? in adv backlight or a new applet that shows cpu temp? Jul 21 16:09:49 weird Jul 21 16:09:59 RST38h: hrm Jul 21 16:10:17 CPU now... Jul 21 16:10:19 heh Jul 21 16:10:23 hehe Jul 21 16:10:26 and when it gets to 100deg can we make it whistle like a kettle? Jul 21 16:10:38 seems like that is something that should be handled maybe by osso_statusbar_cpu? Jul 21 16:10:41 lcuk: 100oF I assume? Jul 21 16:10:44 lol Jul 21 16:10:53 you: I dont think so Jul 21 16:10:57 jott: that is very odd Jul 21 16:11:00 hehe all-in-one-statusbar :) Jul 21 16:11:01 c more like Jul 21 16:11:16 lcuk_work: you have n800? Jul 21 16:11:26 statusbarcpu is unlikely to add it any time soon Jul 21 16:11:29 no, what would i type on? Jul 21 16:11:34 download these two files: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode Jul 21 16:11:56 you can shove the upc3.db file on an mmc and symlink it into the directory with the executable Jul 21 16:12:00 as it is 100mb unpacked Jul 21 16:12:04 lcuk: what do you do to omap to get it this hot?=) Jul 21 16:12:09 i guess something like cpu temp/clock would be fine in load applet or so Jul 21 16:12:14 ill just run the binary from mmc Jul 21 16:12:20 ok 71mb Jul 21 16:12:24 heh ok Jul 21 16:12:30 later when im home that is Jul 21 16:12:33 k Jul 21 16:12:49 how confident is the scanning ow? Jul 21 16:12:51 now? Jul 21 16:13:01 fairly Jul 21 16:13:06 is it better than my typing? Jul 21 16:13:21 scanning from my LCD monitor and it is working instantly and accurately Jul 21 16:13:26 depends a lot on lighting Jul 21 16:13:38 rm: so any chance of that?=) Jul 21 16:13:42 k, ill wait for a storm to test Jul 21 16:14:15 RST38h: seems like that is out of the scope of our project :/ Jul 21 16:14:20 Like, it would be neat, yes Jul 21 16:14:21 but Jul 21 16:14:35 rm: maybe a sister applet? Jul 21 16:14:38 we are not only getting a larger than intended memory footprint, but also RUNNING OUT OF SCREENSPACE! :P Jul 21 16:14:39 an info/status applet would be more practical Jul 21 16:14:45 yeah Jul 21 16:14:51 oh Jul 21 16:15:05 infact, personally wouldnt temp guages and stuff be better as simple desktop thingies Jul 21 16:15:12 what about an applet that lets you add "modules" in the form of oneliner shell commands Jul 21 16:15:32 and then you can check/uncheck them in options, and it just tiles them (two labels each, identifier and result) Jul 21 16:15:38 you: it already exists Jul 21 16:15:42 ah? Jul 21 16:15:45 what is it called? Jul 21 16:15:51 install this cool extension to rm_yous applet: "rm -rf /" or whatever syntax is Jul 21 16:16:00 but probably not with my status bar menu framework :P Jul 21 16:16:01 you: statusbarcpu or some clone of it lets you do that Jul 21 16:16:34 rst_cpuinternalsmonitorsuperjottlaidout_rmpontificatedover Jul 21 16:16:56 catchy name dont you agree? :D Jul 21 16:17:11 I'm waiting for it to be added to liqbase :P Jul 21 16:17:12 lcukapproved? ;) Jul 21 16:17:12 needs dashes Jul 21 16:17:15 RST38h: does it display whatever shell command you give it? Jul 21 16:17:32 you: think so. nosliders though Jul 21 16:17:49 qwerty12, other way round, ive gotta make an extension framework, but i want cpu freq throttling and clock and brightness and other stuff ;) Jul 21 16:18:28 eeks, who created the Advanced Backlight product in Maemo Bugzilla? Jul 21 16:18:40 * lcuk_work hopes to simply replace x11 in the longrun and use the precreated extensions Jul 21 16:18:48 andre___: i think timeless Jul 21 16:18:57 Lol, nice ;) Jul 21 16:19:06 we approved it though ;) Jul 21 16:19:14 jott: hmm, okay. then i will not complain, he knows what he does :) Jul 21 16:19:15 back later Jul 21 16:19:49 andre___: garage projects should use bugzilla in the future if they want to.. Jul 21 16:19:50 just wondering whether having a category-kind-of product would make more sense instead of having a product for each module Jul 21 16:20:00 jott, sure, i can only underline that :) Jul 21 16:20:00 we are one of the pet projects / beta testers ;) Jul 21 16:20:19 :P Jul 21 16:20:21 ok, if the community wants this, here we go. was just wondering :) Jul 21 16:20:26 It is exciting, yes? :P Jul 21 16:20:37 Did you nearly have a heart attack? :) Jul 21 16:21:17 not really. :-) Jul 21 16:21:23 is there any way to get the osso_context_t from a random bit of code, or do you have to pass it everywhere you want to use it? Jul 21 16:21:44 the more community, the less i have to work ;-)) Jul 21 16:22:15 Can you guys recommend the best dictionary for maemo? Jul 21 16:22:47 uff. bug 3474 is another techy report that i don't get. i should have become a hacker... :-) Jul 21 16:23:28 zfigz: as an application stardict does a pretty good job. the dictionary quality itself depends on your language and the availablilty of a free dictionary .. Jul 21 16:23:59 english :P Jul 21 16:24:18 and there isn't a torrent downloader yet is there? Jul 21 16:25:59 i thought someone packaged transmission? Jul 21 16:26:03 zfigz: there is a port of transmission Jul 21 16:26:47 andre___: the use of garage projects in Bugzilla shouldn't be restricted to only having a single component, though. For example, "mediautils" is a single garage project but having 2 components: mediaserv and tablet-encode. Jul 21 16:27:06 woo, gonna have to find it Jul 21 16:27:07 Jaffa, sure, i fully agree Jul 21 16:27:35 it will be interesting Jul 21 16:27:49 I wish we had gotten into bugzilla a few weeks ago though... Jul 21 16:27:54 back when we actually HAD bugs :P Jul 21 16:27:56 * rm_you knocks on wood Jul 21 16:32:11 is there an application which would improve the home-button on tablet? I'm looking for something that would give both the running applications and a list of 'my selection' applications at one go? Jul 21 16:32:14 * Jaffa really wants to see a simplified bug creation form: I've /always/ hated Bugzilla, and some of the recent problems we've had (alias, target milestone, priority etc. set on creation by the reporter) show that it should be simple to capture bugs, and then enrichment can use the current monstrosity ;-) Jul 21 16:32:20 rm_you, haha... we still have bugs. we do. :) Jul 21 16:40:40 oilinki: hildon-desktop is opensourced - feel free to hack it Jul 21 16:41:01 have a nice evening all Jul 21 16:41:24 hrw|gone: well yes. if I just knew how :) Jul 21 16:42:16 jott: can you look at the datamatrix code?! >_> Jul 21 16:42:35 rm_you: hmm :/ i'm not that motivated :P Jul 21 16:42:41 jott: i am still sad that it is broken when it is so close Jul 21 16:43:09 jott: so, it did not scan UPC/EAN from the upcdatabase site? Jul 21 16:43:36 rm_you: it did but the lables where set correct or what ever Jul 21 16:43:48 jott: right.. Jul 21 16:43:49 hrm Jul 21 16:43:51 it found something but it just showed blank lines Jul 21 16:44:02 OH Jul 21 16:44:07 where not set* Jul 21 16:44:07 BAH Jul 21 16:44:10 sorry Jul 21 16:44:14 not looked at the code yet ;) Jul 21 16:44:17 you need to install libsqlite3-0 Jul 21 16:44:37 forgot that Jul 21 16:45:03 it's installed :) Jul 21 16:45:20 as i said the db lookup *seems* to be performed Jul 21 16:45:27 but the labels are just blank Jul 21 16:45:43 (it would not even launch with a missing lib ;) Jul 21 16:45:46 Got UPC data. filling strings... Jul 21 16:46:07 as i said not looked at the code and i don't think i'll manage it today. Jul 21 16:46:23 err yeah but it should work Jul 21 16:46:33 any text after "filling strings"? Jul 21 16:46:53 upc: 1143380304 Jul 21 16:46:54 package: 5 x 50 Jul 21 16:46:54 name: Jul 21 16:46:59 mmh it's empty there too Jul 21 16:47:51 erk Jul 21 16:47:56 pick a different item Jul 21 16:48:03 do they all do that? Jul 21 16:48:25 i think so Jul 21 16:48:51 hi to all Jul 21 16:49:36 hrm Jul 21 16:52:00 GeneralAntilles, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3478 - what depends on those three packages? how to get these warning messages too? Jul 21 16:54:05 andre___: Use the command given in the report Jul 21 16:54:12 apt-get -f install as root Jul 21 16:54:44 I have a 2 year degree I obtained after the equivalent to my A-level... How would I translate this ? Jul 21 16:54:52 Bachelor of Engineering ? Jul 21 16:55:06 (I'm not really translating it, just want to give a rough idea) Jul 21 16:55:23 Higher National Diploma ? Jul 21 17:03:16 portable cellular video camera anyone? Jul 21 17:05:03 crashanddie: what's it say on your diploma? :P Jul 21 17:05:24 Brevet de technicien supΓ©rieur - Informatique et rΓ©seaux pour l'industrie et les services techniques Jul 21 17:05:33 no hablo francais Jul 21 17:05:37 lol Jul 21 17:05:45 I wrote that, and said under it (Diploma in Computer Science and Network Engineering) Jul 21 17:07:02 Tu13es, sound good enough ? Jul 21 17:07:22 *shrug* Jul 21 17:07:24 I'm confused Jul 21 17:07:37 are you not in the US? Jul 21 17:07:52 here we generally have Associate, Bachelor, or Master programs Jul 21 17:08:07 why would I be in the US ? Jul 21 17:08:36 I figured that'd be the source of my confusion Jul 21 17:08:43 no, I'm in France ATM Jul 21 17:12:09 jott: ok can you try a new executable? fixed some random stuff Jul 21 17:12:24 jott: redownload http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode -O maemo-barcode Jul 21 17:19:04 Aloha! Jul 21 17:28:05 hello, I am from the c-base and will lurk around if you don't mind :) Jul 21 17:31:58 portable internet camera anyone? Jul 21 17:32:53 housetier: Welcome ;) Jul 21 17:34:44 we are rather excited about having the summit happening at our place :) Jul 21 17:35:32 I'm rather excited taking part (probably) and lurking offline.. Jul 21 17:36:08 if you are in berlin, you should come by anytime. it's a very cool place Jul 21 17:36:51 Yep, the homepage looks quite interesting. But it's Cologne for me.. Jul 21 17:39:17 Blafasel, I do recall your nick from somewhere else though... Jul 21 17:39:20 ubuntu? Jul 21 17:40:28 No idea, I'm lurking in lots of places.. ;) Jul 21 17:45:28 housetier: i only have been at the bar a couple of times, never been on the other floors :) Jul 21 17:49:29 jott, when you come by next time, just ask a member if he/she would be willing to show you around Jul 21 17:50:01 if you want to hear LOTS of stories, ask for "hein-c", he's been around from the very beginning Jul 21 17:50:28 * jott will try to keep that in mind :) Jul 21 17:50:50 housetier: do you know where the main area for the summit will be? Jul 21 17:51:02 (looking at http://wiki.c-base.org/coredump/BauPlan :) Jul 21 17:51:38 anyone remember what file I edit to enable the thing that locks the n800 and turns off the screen? Jul 21 17:51:45 i forget what ti's called Jul 21 17:53:22 jott, the loungy stuff will happen in the mainhall. as for the talks and lectures, we rented extra rooms from the acting school next door. there will be plenty of room for 3 parallel tracks, chairs, flipcharts and wireless internet Jul 21 17:54:05 also we'll have a wardrobe, where you can drop your coats, bags, and stuff Jul 21 17:54:34 that'll be in the "ceminarraum" Jul 21 17:56:11 hey, does doxygen work for you in scratchbox armel target. I am getting segmentation fault Jul 21 17:58:38 housetier: ah i see. just wondered how this all could fit in the main c-base area ;) Jul 21 17:59:26 that was the first problem we had to solve when Quim wanted to "book us" Jul 21 17:59:37 Tu13es i was literally just reading your post on itt regarding chumby on 770 Jul 21 17:59:43 is it still a no-go? Jul 21 18:01:13 Atarii: *shrug* Jul 21 18:01:20 I finally got it working, but it could use a bit of work Jul 21 18:03:00 <||cw> chumby OS or just the applications? Jul 21 18:07:25 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian/ <- can I get some comments on this? :) Jul 21 18:08:37 Stskeeps, its a url Jul 21 18:08:45 it has nits Jul 21 18:09:05 Stskeeps, feature set is v.impressive :) Jul 21 18:09:08 lcuk_eating: mm. nits Jul 21 18:09:46 i've got an spare 3gb ext2 partition on my sd, must grab Jul 21 18:09:49 In the goal statement, it should be "...that is just as functional..." rather than "...that are just as functional..." Jul 21 18:10:11 sjgadsby: ta, was wondering about that myself Jul 21 18:11:34 Stskeeps, on that line, the whole tail end of the opener reads wrong a bit Jul 21 18:13:16 sjgadsby, :) we havent spoken in irc from what i can recall Jul 21 18:14:02 Stskeeps, just a note, in diablo, you don't have to remove the extra stuff. Jul 21 18:14:11 lcuk: I believe you're right. Hi! Jul 21 18:14:15 qwerty12_N800: extra stuff? Jul 21 18:14:18 ah Jul 21 18:14:19 true Jul 21 18:14:21 initfs Jul 21 18:14:28 yep :) Jul 21 18:14:42 * lcuk is smiling today Jul 21 18:15:02 qwerty12_N800: changed Jul 21 18:15:27 * lcuk can see nice fast nokia graphics soon Jul 21 18:15:48 (well, as much as someone outside nokia can see) Jul 21 18:16:38 * qwerty12_N800 quite liked the response from nokia Jul 21 18:17:26 yer i do as well Jul 21 18:17:29 lcuk: WTF Jul 21 18:17:43 ? Jul 21 18:17:47 lcuk: if I have an int pointer and i need to set an int to the VALUE of that pointer Jul 21 18:17:49 it is like Jul 21 18:17:54 appdata->last_upc_value = *(resultlist[vote]); Jul 21 18:17:57 right? Jul 21 18:18:00 Stskeeps, you might want to change the link saying "http://www.fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/" to for convenience :) Jul 21 18:18:17 is resultlist an int *? Jul 21 18:18:18 assuming appdata->last_upc_value is just an int Jul 21 18:18:21 yes Jul 21 18:18:23 or is resultlist an array of int * Jul 21 18:18:25 hey ho Jul 21 18:18:32 show me the definition line for resultlist Jul 21 18:18:33 int *resultlist[MAX_VOTES]; Jul 21 18:18:42 :P Jul 21 18:18:47 an array of int pointers Jul 21 18:18:52 what are you expecting it to be Jul 21 18:18:57 that Jul 21 18:19:01 an array of int pointers Jul 21 18:19:28 When's the sprint meeting? I'm not in my usual timezone Jul 21 18:19:33 why do you need an array of pointers to int (int==32bit value, a pointer==32bit value) just make it an array oif ints? Jul 21 18:19:40 dneary, :) Jul 21 18:19:41 lcuk: blame jott Jul 21 18:19:47 lcuk: it is not my dealie :P Jul 21 18:20:02 lol is latest in svn? Jul 21 18:20:06 in a sec Jul 21 18:20:09 it will help with context Jul 21 18:20:11 committing Jul 21 18:20:51 maemo-barcode.c line 545ish Jul 21 18:20:57 rm_you, "the VALUE of that pointer" is the address that is in the slot of the variable? I guess you mean "the value of the slot that is referenced BY the pointer":) Jul 21 18:20:58 cmmitted Jul 21 18:21:02 dannym: done, ta Jul 21 18:21:05 yes Jul 21 18:21:36 *(resultlist[vote]) should get the VALUE of the int thats pointer is in resultlist[vote] Jul 21 18:21:40 i thought Jul 21 18:21:54 something there isn't working right Jul 21 18:22:00 lcuk: i HATE pointers <_< Jul 21 18:22:01 that should work Jul 21 18:22:19 Hi Jul 21 18:22:21 i believe, its dirty but is legal c as far as i know, lemme just see it in context Jul 21 18:22:23 lcuk: then tell me why it ISNT Jul 21 18:22:28 whats actually going wrong though Jul 21 18:22:41 line 562 Jul 21 18:22:43 rm_you: which repository? Jul 21 18:22:54 dannym: maemo-barcode Jul 21 18:23:03 lcuk: if i replace Jul 21 18:23:07 appdata->last_upc_value = *(resultlist[vote]); Jul 21 18:23:08 with Jul 21 18:23:13 appdata->last_upc_value = 5; Jul 21 18:23:31 it prints 5 when i do printf("Last upc: %d\n", appdata->last_upc_value); Jul 21 18:23:35 but Jul 21 18:23:43 if i leave it as is, it always prints 0 Jul 21 18:23:44 ok, what value does "vote" hold Jul 21 18:24:14 erm, some int Jul 21 18:24:20 appdata->label_text = (gchar *) number_to_string (resultlist[vote]); <---- works Jul 21 18:24:44 static const char * number_to_string (int *number); Jul 21 18:25:02 ok readin code now Jul 21 18:25:58 firstly, there are bugs where you can go beyond the MAX_VOTES array limit Jul 21 18:26:22 ahhh no, just silly indenting ;) Jul 21 18:26:26 jott! all jott! blame jott! :P Jul 21 18:26:41 i have no idea about his stuff Jul 21 18:26:57 all of my code is within that one if block Jul 21 18:28:03 he? Jul 21 18:28:08 it's a list of ints.. Jul 21 18:28:09 jott: ! :P Jul 21 18:28:15 a list of chars would be equally fine Jul 21 18:28:25 jott: it's a list of int pointers Jul 21 18:28:30 yes Jul 21 18:28:56 getting the value of the right one should be: *(resultlist[vote]) Jul 21 18:28:57 right? Jul 21 18:29:25 this should give you a pointer to a int[13] array.. Jul 21 18:29:31 erm Jul 21 18:29:51 the first value of it Jul 21 18:29:58 GAH what!? Jul 21 18:30:00 rm_you, as I read the code that would get you the first digit :) Jul 21 18:30:07 blaghnhfdhzseiufgsd Jul 21 18:30:16 it isn't just an int?! Jul 21 18:30:22 no.. Jul 21 18:30:23 bah Jul 21 18:30:30 k Jul 21 18:30:36 will write a converter function Jul 21 18:30:37 as it's 13 digits not one number Jul 21 18:30:40 thanks Jul 21 18:30:43 it CAN be one number Jul 21 18:30:45 easily Jul 21 18:31:01 how.. Jul 21 18:31:02 ah, the C array / pointer ambiguouty... gotta love C :) Jul 21 18:31:08 000001 != 1 Jul 21 18:31:27 yeah well, the database doesn't discern Jul 21 18:31:40 it was unavoidable Jul 21 18:31:48 unless i wanted to spend like 5 more hours generating it Jul 21 18:31:53 haha Jul 21 18:31:56 and it takes less space Jul 21 18:31:58 thats because your database contains a char[255] for the key :P Jul 21 18:32:09 no, it contains varchar(13) as the key Jul 21 18:32:19 w00t Jul 21 18:32:22 :D Jul 21 18:32:23 but it apparently IGNORED that when converting from sqlite2 -> sqlite3 via .dump Jul 21 18:32:38 but it takes less space this way anyway Jul 21 18:32:41 and doesnt matter Jul 21 18:32:45 drop leading zeroes Jul 21 18:32:48 won't change anything Jul 21 18:33:18 jott: i still hate your indentation method. so used to tabs <_< Jul 21 18:33:23 and so much less backspacing <_< Jul 21 18:33:48 pft.. i would indent differently with c++ or java code :P Jul 21 18:33:54 if that helps you ,) Jul 21 18:34:36 * lcuk noticed the indenting as well. thank god for having a decent ide Jul 21 18:34:55 you indent with spacing? Jul 21 18:35:01 yes, tabs are evil :P Jul 21 18:35:04 rm_you, depending on how long you need the value of "last_upc_value" to be valid, it may suffice to just change the type of "last_upc_value" to "int*" having it store the beginning of the array in resultlist :) Jul 21 18:35:13 s/spacing/spaces/ Jul 21 18:35:13 summatusmentis meant: you indent with spaces? Jul 21 18:35:22 jott: gross Jul 21 18:35:25 dannym: yeah i just didnt understand what exactly was in the resultset apparently Jul 21 18:35:28 yeah Jul 21 18:35:30 it is nasty Jul 21 18:35:38 and he converts all the code he touches :P Jul 21 18:35:43 i should start converting it back :P lol Jul 21 18:36:09 <||cw> tabs are better for spacing, lets the viewer choose how many "spaces" for na indent, and uses less file space too Jul 21 18:36:11 I stick to spaces as well Jul 21 18:36:11 haha the eternal spaces vs. tab issue :D Jul 21 18:36:21 heh Jul 21 18:36:28 * rm_you agrees with ||cw Jul 21 18:36:31 real men dont indent Jul 21 18:36:41 lcuk: then real men don't code python? :P Jul 21 18:36:44 write all the code in one line ;) Jul 21 18:36:48 hrhr Jul 21 18:36:57 eevil Jul 21 18:37:25 ||cw: actually the compressed file size is usually smaller with spaces :P Jul 21 18:37:35 rm_you, i agree, its only girls that code in python for a long time :P Jul 21 18:37:35 O_o Jul 21 18:38:01 <||cw> jott: code doens't live compressed Jul 21 18:38:22 yes it does. svn compresses doesnt it? Jul 21 18:38:30 or git? Jul 21 18:38:36 ||cw: sure it does, every .tar.gz .tar.bz is compressed Jul 21 18:38:38 <||cw> localy? Jul 21 18:38:41 lcuk, rm_you: real men code in relays: http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/ Jul 21 18:38:48 :P Jul 21 18:39:20 <||cw> lcuk: those are archives, not live Jul 21 18:39:32 relays, isn't that what young shipper snappers use in place of valves? Jul 21 18:39:38 lcuk: my girl codes c++ Jul 21 18:39:50 <||cw> and svn and git do more than compress, they delta as well Jul 21 18:40:02 Churl, you're girl is intelligent then :) Jul 21 18:40:06 but I have trouble programing my TI-85 graphing calculator Jul 21 18:40:08 lmoura, wow that thing must be really loud when operating... *click* *click* *click* argh :) Jul 21 18:40:19 she has math tattoos Jul 21 18:40:28 and reads xkcd no doubt Jul 21 18:40:32 oh yeah Jul 21 18:40:35 :D Jul 21 18:40:38 lol Jul 21 18:40:41 ask her if she will marry me Jul 21 18:41:00 hold on, want me to get her to join? Jul 21 18:41:06 :D Jul 21 18:41:12 lol hold on Jul 21 18:41:17 Tell her C++ is an awful language. Jul 21 18:41:22 * lcuk will run away screaming if he ever meets a girl for real Jul 21 18:41:58 what is MAX_LONG on tablet? Jul 21 18:41:58 c++ on the tablet is awful, it takes about 5x longer to compile simple little modules Jul 21 18:41:59 I was summoned for a marriage proposal? Jul 21 18:42:09 lol Jul 21 18:42:12 haha Jul 21 18:42:19 skmurphy, you have a trigger for people getting married? Jul 21 18:42:22 lol Jul 21 18:42:23 mine reads xkcd but no code :P Jul 21 18:42:25 lcuk: called out :P Jul 21 18:42:26 some people have the strangest things programmed in Jul 21 18:42:52 rm_you, i wonder how my real woman would feel :P Jul 21 18:43:01 * rm_you just hopes this channel doesn't turn into A/S/L spam Jul 21 18:43:08 Heheh Jul 21 18:43:24 rm_you, we dont need to: we know you are 21/f/usa Jul 21 18:43:26 a/s/l/programming language of choice? Jul 21 18:43:31 lcuk: lol Jul 21 18:43:42 asn.1 spam Jul 21 18:43:55 my pride, it almost felt that :P Jul 21 18:44:03 26/M/ATL TI-85 Jul 21 18:44:14 NO Jul 21 18:44:19 85!? Jul 21 18:44:21 really, just no Jul 21 18:44:25 active template library? Jul 21 18:44:29 Atlanta Jul 21 18:44:32 I did TI-BASIC on 83... and 89... 85!? Jul 21 18:44:33 ? Jul 21 18:44:45 Is there a difference between the 89 and 85? Jul 21 18:44:48 it's what I had in middle school Jul 21 18:44:55 I just used it to cheat on tests =/ Jul 21 18:44:56 yeah my bro had one Jul 21 18:44:58 well, I knew the 89 existed, that's one difference Jul 21 18:44:58 I never wrote anything neat Jul 21 18:45:11 my god if this is what its gonna turn out like im not gonna code up my maemo-spy program Jul 21 18:45:15 it was better in a few ways Jul 21 18:45:17 Heheh Jul 21 18:45:25 the xx in TI-xx is the a in asl rather :P Jul 21 18:45:28 churl, I know that - I meant as far as programing stuff on it Jul 21 18:45:30 lcuk: compiling profiles on all irc members via intelligent log parsing? :P Jul 21 18:45:38 through some obscure mapping Jul 21 18:45:44 anyone know how to add Sleep mode or whatever the n800 lacks? Jul 21 18:45:48 i was *hoping* to build up a tiny video wall of maemo users live cam images, but if you are all gonna get hot n steamy i wont bother Jul 21 18:46:14 heh... hrm Jul 21 18:46:19 i thought we'd moved past hot and steamy and on to Texas Instruments (they do say there's a fetish for everything on the internet, though) Jul 21 18:46:22 lcuk, nice pun Jul 21 18:46:23 my convert_number function fails, hard Jul 21 18:46:26 i have my camera showing me 25mini video images in a scrollable wall: i wanted a semi frequently updating view to allow a group to interact Jul 21 18:46:56 Rule 34 Jul 21 18:46:58 dinosaur comics! Jul 21 18:47:21 * lcuk facepalms Jul 21 18:47:35 lol Jul 21 18:48:27 my convert_number function fails, hard. Jul 21 18:48:31 err damnit Jul 21 18:48:36 anyway, what is max long? Jul 21 18:48:51 apparently, less than 13 digits <_< Jul 21 18:48:55 2^32-1 or somethin Jul 21 18:48:58 yes Jul 21 18:49:02 muchly so Jul 21 18:49:08 4294xxxxxx Jul 21 18:49:10 is there an int64? Jul 21 18:49:25 yes, but are you sure you can handle it? Jul 21 18:49:30 lol Jul 21 18:49:34 too much int? Jul 21 18:49:39 MOAR int Jul 21 18:49:57 rm_you: something like x=0; for(i=0;i<13;i++) x+=10*i+num[12-i]; ? Jul 21 18:50:03 im not sure if long longs compile on this system Jul 21 18:50:05 yes Jul 21 18:50:09 and i havent used them for a while Jul 21 18:50:15 <||cw> becareful when overclocking your int's Jul 21 18:50:21 you would be better keeping the UPN key as a string Jul 21 18:50:35 rm_you, yes, "unsigned long long" ... Jul 21 18:50:36 FINE Jul 21 18:50:36 sec Jul 21 18:50:54 would that be %lld in printf? :P Jul 21 18:51:07 dannym, im not so sure it compiles properly, i tried using it in a loop: so i could copy 64bits at a time Jul 21 18:51:15 it blew chunks Jul 21 18:51:20 * lcuk watches with interest tho Jul 21 18:51:39 rm_you, yes Jul 21 18:52:01 works Jul 21 18:52:11 nice Jul 21 18:52:21 * lcuk goes and tries somethin Jul 21 18:53:46 gah now WHY is it doing THIS Jul 21 18:55:35 dannym, pointer math should work with ull as normal shouldnt it? Jul 21 18:58:06 lcuk, hmm... it doesn't work here... Jul 21 18:58:25 i didnt think i was going mad Jul 21 18:58:34 so ull values can be held but not copied? Jul 21 18:59:11 qwerty12_N800: you playing with debian? Jul 21 18:59:41 dannym, this code fails to work no matter what i try for the 64bit copy (ive tried doubles and ull) http://slexy.org/view/s2js20ByOC Jul 21 18:59:42 lcuk, I meant that "unsigned long* position", then "(char*) (position + 1 - position)" is 1... weird... Jul 21 18:59:50 Stskeeps, i'm setting it up. i've installed initfs, i'm getting svn now Jul 21 19:00:20 if i remove the entire 64bit section it works properly, but with 64bit it cocks up Jul 21 19:01:48 (this is the core blitter within liqbase btw) Jul 21 19:02:34 lcuk: Are you doing it on ARM? Jul 21 19:02:42 yes Jul 21 19:02:48 so is rm Jul 21 19:02:51 What's wrong with using memcpy? Jul 21 19:02:55 lcuk: then you are doing it slowly Jul 21 19:03:02 YAY! Jul 21 19:03:21 qwerty12_N800: k, if there's any issues, just prod me Jul 21 19:03:22 lcuk: look at latest svn Jul 21 19:03:25 r39 Jul 21 19:03:30 i am using long long Jul 21 19:03:33 lcuk: whatr is the smallest amount of data you would like to transfer? Jul 21 19:03:33 and it works great Jul 21 19:03:35 ok rm, will do soon. Jul 21 19:03:41 rm_you: Your bus is no wider than 32bits Jul 21 19:03:43 1byte Jul 21 19:03:52 lcuk: no, i mean, for you :P everything is working perfectly Jul 21 19:03:54 rm_you: what the hell are you gonna win form using uuls? =) Jul 21 19:04:07 because it goes upto 800 bytes Jul 21 19:04:18 lcuk: sure about 1byte thing? Jul 21 19:04:21 RST38h: ? Jul 21 19:04:29 ]it takes arbitary width bitmaps/glyphs and copies them Jul 21 19:04:31 rm_you: Imagine what OMAP CPU looks on the inside Jul 21 19:04:32 yes Jul 21 19:04:42 i just wanted to store a 13 digit number in one int Jul 21 19:04:43 single pixel glyphs Jul 21 19:04:45 letter i Jul 21 19:04:46 rm_yous: It has a 32bit bus going to SDRAM Jul 21 19:04:48 it's cool, it works with long long Jul 21 19:04:52 i dont care about speed / etc Jul 21 19:04:53 Most likely even 16bit Jul 21 19:04:56 not calculating on it Jul 21 19:04:57 its 32 Jul 21 19:04:59 just storing Jul 21 19:05:08 So when you are using 64bit data it still gets copies in 32bit incremenets internally Jul 21 19:05:18 RST38h: don't care, it is only for storage Jul 21 19:05:24 RST38h, totally understood Jul 21 19:05:31 then there is no need to write such complicated code Jul 21 19:05:34 i'm not using it for math <_< Jul 21 19:05:46 it is very un-complicated now, due to use of long long :P Jul 21 19:05:47 but technically i can replace the 64bit block with SIMD instructions Jul 21 19:05:50 and move 128bits Jul 21 19:05:57 you can't Jul 21 19:06:05 32bit bus, lcuk Jul 21 19:06:17 you are moving 32bit data Jul 21 19:06:53 and? if i use 1 instruction instead of 2 and remove 1 add and remove 1 test to loop i save work Jul 21 19:06:58 ok, should I tell you how to do it? Jul 21 19:07:16 by all means show me the faster way. at present it only does 32bit Jul 21 19:07:19 lcdd, tried that code here and it works fine... Jul 21 19:07:24 oops Jul 21 19:07:26 all right, listen here: Jul 21 19:07:29 damn Xchat completion Jul 21 19:07:31 wow, soft poweroff is broken in diablo? lame Jul 21 19:07:57 First of all, if it unaligned addresses or small amount of data, default to memcpy Jul 21 19:08:11 it doesnt matter - ive tested on and off boundary Jul 21 19:08:14 its negligable Jul 21 19:08:27 Now, if it is aligned src/dst addresses and largish amount of data... Jul 21 19:08:33 do __asm { Jul 21 19:08:52 and in there, assign src and dst to two ARM registers and do ldmia/stmia in a loop Jul 21 19:09:14 that will be the fastest it can get. on an arm. with 32bit memory bus. Jul 21 19:09:20 100% agree Jul 21 19:09:23 ooo inline asm :P Jul 21 19:09:30 Let us see how much you can transfer in one pass of the loop: Jul 21 19:09:31 but then i cant use the code on x86 Jul 21 19:09:45 lcuk: fuck x86, use memcpy there Jul 21 19:09:58 lcuk: yeah can optimize... Jul 21 19:10:01 x86 will survive Jul 21 19:10:03 why? that works plenty quick enough Jul 21 19:10:08 #ifdef ARM Jul 21 19:10:12 let us see... Jul 21 19:10:14 and do asm Jul 21 19:10:18 #else Jul 21 19:10:19 You can make use of R1..R12 Jul 21 19:10:19 do memcpy Jul 21 19:10:24 R0..R12 rather Jul 21 19:10:37 because you are not using any local data, R12 is ok to trash Jul 21 19:10:48 i know i can make use of an awful lot - the asm is very muchly like 68k Jul 21 19:10:54 R0..R3 are temporaries anyway, R0=dst, R1=src, R2=cunt Jul 21 19:10:57 count, sorry :) Jul 21 19:11:01 heh Jul 21 19:11:05 I mean, seriously, have you tested memcpy()? Jul 21 19:11:09 R4..R11 you will have to save Jul 21 19:11:33 which gives us R3..R11 = 9 registers to play with Jul 21 19:11:36 It should check for alignment and do something not too unreasonable on all platforms. Jul 21 19:11:40 here is what you do: Jul 21 19:11:51 have alternative for wayfinde maps? Jul 21 19:11:54 derf, no Jul 21 19:12:03 ldmia r1!,{r3,r4,r5,r6,r7,r8,r9,r10,r11} Jul 21 19:12:13 stmia r0!,{r3,r4,r5,r6,r7,r8,r9,r10,r11} Jul 21 19:12:18 RST38h, if i am using asm i will just use the SIMD instructions Jul 21 19:12:19 wayfinder is so expensive to brazilian people Jul 21 19:12:24 thats way to ragged Jul 21 19:12:26 subs r2,r2,#(9*4) Jul 21 19:12:35 bne ==> to ldmia Jul 21 19:12:50 and too much work for a genereal function that doesnt know specifically how much data it has Jul 21 19:12:51 lcuk: Once again: your SIMD instructions are no use Jul 21 19:12:57 and is called for every single glyph on the screen Jul 21 19:13:05 i would waste time loading it up for no reason Jul 21 19:13:05 lcuk: you are NOT using 64bit or 128bit data bus Jul 21 19:13:09 smyows, there is maemo-mapper, but that doesnt do offline routing, but maybe you can use a palm os mapping app to generate routes and export to .gpx format and import that into maemo-mapper Jul 21 19:13:24 no,but i ask it to move 128bits it will move them Jul 21 19:13:33 even if it takes 4 passes through the buss Jul 21 19:13:37 tank-man, :) cool Jul 21 19:13:40 thats handled in 1 instruction Jul 21 19:13:46 speaking of which, my browser complains about having too little memory every now and then with maemo-mapper running Jul 21 19:13:49 did anyone notice stop stuttering on a bluetooth earpiece on the n810 ? Jul 21 19:14:00 lcuk: It will, but here I have just asked it to move 288bits in 2 instructions Jul 21 19:14:05 lcuk: and it moved 'em! Jul 21 19:14:05 or get the route on net before Jul 21 19:14:09 I sort of get the feeling it's being a bit eager about keeping a memory tile cache around or something Jul 21 19:14:24 * sp3000 should read code Jul 21 19:14:27 ^ Jul 21 19:14:35 RST38h, you are right of course :) Jul 21 19:14:48 lcuk: And I didn't even use SIMD which isn't very kosher anyway Jul 21 19:15:05 you are right, i think SIMD instructions are catholic Jul 21 19:15:23 SIMD isn't present on low-end ARMs Jul 21 19:15:31 For example, GameBoy Advance can't SIMD Jul 21 19:15:43 * lcuk ponders Jul 21 19:16:17 OMAP1 can't SIMD for all I know Jul 21 19:16:31 *reads * cool :) Jul 21 19:16:32 even supposing i dont attempt to use all spare regs (cos i dont want to clobber them) Jul 21 19:16:41 Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/md9813ac - i have zap's bash2 installed. i'll edit py to install with --force-all :) Jul 21 19:16:52 hmmm RST38h :) Jul 21 19:17:48 lcuk: tested barcode yet? Jul 21 19:18:02 no, my mind has just gone wandering in the trees Jul 21 19:18:10 heh k keep doing whatev Jul 21 19:18:13 * lcuk likes RST38h's idea Jul 21 19:18:13 lcuk: btw, if you want to copy from unaligned addresses or short portions of data, it can also be done elegantly in ARM assembly Jul 21 19:18:16 i will find someone to test Jul 21 19:18:40 unaligned didnt actually make that much difference on here Jul 21 19:18:56 Then restrict your function to aligned stuff Jul 21 19:19:11 But you said you wanted it to copy single bytes, etc? Jul 21 19:19:21 ssvb did some test a while ago http://code.google.com/p/arm1136j-s/source/browse Jul 21 19:19:22 no, it should work still, ill run some tests, ill start small with 64bit :) Jul 21 19:19:29 ok Jul 21 19:19:41 qwerty12_N800: alright, isn't fatal, it's good it checks it first ;) Jul 21 19:19:47 (unaligned memcpy) Jul 21 19:19:52 thanks RST38h Jul 21 19:20:12 Some "Oksana" is offering "hot assholes filled to the top" Jul 21 19:20:23 For the 5th time today. Jul 21 19:20:40 surely they should be filled to the bottom? Jul 21 19:20:44 Is anybody biting, I wonder... Jul 21 19:20:51 qwerty12_N800: do you really want both bash2 and bash3? Jul 21 19:21:13 RST38h, I'm trying, but I fail to see how one can bite an asshole Jul 21 19:21:27 X-Fade: what will happen with packages in extra-devel if they aren't moved to extras? Will they clutter the -devel repository? Jul 21 19:21:45 lcuk: well, the spam is in Russian, and I am somewhat ignorant about linguistic correspondence in THIS particular part of the vocabulary Jul 21 19:21:53 lol Jul 21 19:22:19 zap, debian installer wants me to install. i must listen or penguin will put my face in "hot assholes filled to the top" Jul 21 19:25:00 * GAN800 facepalms at 'maemo.org web services'. Jul 21 19:25:03 debian installer could depend on bash2 | bash3 Jul 21 19:25:30 andre___, poke. . . Jul 21 19:26:36 why, is the asl database down Jul 21 19:26:36 GAN800, pong Jul 21 19:26:52 oh noes, the asl database is down! Jul 21 19:27:09 oh, there it is.' Jul 21 19:27:24 andre___, normal users shouldn't have been able to see the classifications page. Jul 21 19:27:42 GAN800, err what? where? Jul 21 19:27:46 Now, I think, you kinda pushed an early launch Jul 21 19:27:58 X-Fade's bug. Jul 21 19:28:08 3477 or whatever. Jul 21 19:28:14 Well. People don't need to choose Jul 21 19:28:24 what's the issue, and where? :) Jul 21 19:28:28 we can always revert... Jul 21 19:28:40 and that should be 'Website', not 'maemo.org web services'. Jul 21 19:29:22 'maemo.org' is _never_ capitaziled, anyway. Jul 21 19:29:23 it is Website now :-D Jul 21 19:29:36 zap: i only found bash3 initially.. is bash2 in extras? Jul 21 19:29:49 hmm. that capitalization debate... hmm Jul 21 19:30:09 Could a normal user tell me what they see when they hig new bug in bugzilla? Jul 21 19:30:24 andre___, it's not a debate. It's a fact. Jul 21 19:30:32 GAN800: What do you need to know? Jul 21 19:31:05 GAN800: All, Garage, Maemo Software, Maemo.org Website. Jul 21 19:31:07 sjgadsby, does it ask you to select a classification? Jul 21 19:31:13 oh oh. no cookies for little andre today. ;-) Jul 21 19:31:16 GAN800: Yes. Jul 21 19:31:29 can anyone explain to me what "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakehildon.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. Jul 21 19:31:32 means? Jul 21 19:31:36 in tech terms :) Jul 21 19:31:40 sjgadsby, you have editbugs? Jul 21 19:31:55 GAN800: I don't think so. Jul 21 19:32:05 I've never been told I do. Jul 21 19:32:13 GAN800, garrr... done. thanks for the comments Jul 21 19:32:20 sjgadsby, you should have i think Jul 21 19:32:25 * sp3000 doesn't see it Jul 21 19:32:39 How would I know if I have editbugs? Jul 21 19:32:44 andre___, there's some template work that needs to be done before we can deploy. Jul 21 19:32:56 sjgadsby: https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=permissions Jul 21 19:32:59 sjgadsby, pref -> permissions Jul 21 19:33:25 sjgadsby, now you have :-P Jul 21 19:33:26 meh, my picks are too heavy Jul 21 19:33:28 Ah, I have canconfirm and editbugs. Nevermind. Jul 21 19:33:36 just gave them to you. Jul 21 19:33:40 timeless has been shuffling some stuff around while keeping as many of the changes as possible invisible. Jul 21 19:33:50 sjgadsby, use them wisely. common sense blah blah :) Jul 21 19:34:00 GAN800, yeah, that's cool Jul 21 19:34:27 I will strive to use my powers for good instead of evil. Jul 21 19:36:06 sjgadsby: why? Jul 21 19:37:04 RST38h: Sadly, I tend to be lawful good. I'm terribly unfun. Jul 21 19:37:49 andre___, anything you can do to push #3478 more directly? Jul 21 19:38:56 sjgadsby: so I'm not the only one that is too tempted to click on random numbers :P Jul 21 19:39:45 sp3000: I blame GAN800 for creating tempting clicky things. Jul 21 19:39:52 * sp3000 has an excuse, his client is nice enough to linkify things like "bug 3478" usefully Jul 21 19:40:12 * GAN800 had put together a bug bot until it generated 101GB of logs in 24 hours. Jul 21 19:40:17 Stskeeps, it means that the loader tried to load something that was mentioned in the environment variable "LD_PRELOAD" and it couldn't... Jul 21 19:41:09 Stskeeps, probably need to use the complete path else it wouldn't find it half of the time and be a security leak the other times :) Jul 21 19:41:34 security problem* Jul 21 19:41:36 andre___, another facepalm @ 3472. I don't think you should even be able to see that. . . . Jul 21 19:43:15 Stskeeps, you really need to clear the screen before running cfdisk. i have no idea wtf i am doing :/ Jul 21 19:43:41 (what the hell is this 3472?) Jul 21 19:43:58 qwerty12_N800: i think cfdisk does clear the screen itself Jul 21 19:44:21 RST38h, bug number. Jul 21 19:44:36 You shouldn't be able to see it Jul 21 19:45:10 qwerty12_N800: are you sshing in or on tablet? Jul 21 19:45:28 Stskeeps, on tablet Jul 21 19:46:21 qwerty12_N800: ah, that's evil :P try full screen and ctrl-l Jul 21 19:46:34 qwerty12_N800: i always ssh in, i guess it would be a nightmare on tablet Jul 21 19:46:40 hehe, thanks, trying now :) Jul 21 19:46:58 GA: It is an advanced backlight bug Jul 21 19:47:26 for the UI designers among you.. NIT-Debian, Flash, http://rafb.net/p/wI5uCi52.html and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg (done with import -root nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg) Jul 21 19:47:34 Why would it have anything to do with Nokia staff? =) Jul 21 19:47:35 RST38h, can you see it? . . . Jul 21 19:47:42 yep Jul 21 19:47:48 er, import -window root Jul 21 19:47:48 damn. . . Jul 21 19:47:54 It doesn't Jul 21 19:48:10 andre___ fails at seeing products. :P Jul 21 19:48:22 RST38h, shouldn't have told. now where will we get our evil from :p Jul 21 19:49:09 qwerty: I will gladly make a daily human sacrifice for you Jul 21 19:49:34 qwerty: When provided with material and disposal facilities of course Jul 21 19:49:39 Wow, you would do that for me? Jul 21 19:49:45 * qwerty12_N800 sheds a tear Jul 21 19:50:52 =) Jul 21 19:51:46 qwerty: In exchange, I expect you to talk rm_you into creating a a cpu temp / clock control applet =) Jul 21 19:52:05 RST38h, i freeze everytime i attempt that opcode or attempt any copy over 32bits. it may be because of unaligned offsets but when i was first testing it i forced font glyphs to be 4 pixels wide all starting at 0, and had same results. Jul 21 19:52:29 rm_you, create a cpu temp / clock control applet :p Jul 21 19:52:35 i have a speed test which draws 1000 lines of a single string, then tells me how many FPS it would get Jul 21 19:52:40 lol Jul 21 19:52:47 my routine comes out with 7fps Jul 21 19:52:59 memcpy comes out with 3.5 Jul 21 19:53:04 64bit freezes Jul 21 19:56:18 if kerecv is doing its job right, my cards should be unmounted when removing back cover. lets see... Jul 21 19:58:02 ;cuk: Show me your code Jul 21 19:58:05 lcuk, who wants to bet mutiny32's going to claim responsibility for the driver progress? :D Jul 21 19:58:14 lcuk: shoe mr your code Jul 21 19:58:37 Shit, I forgot how to type on a real keyboard after these two weeks Jul 21 19:58:45 he better not GAN800 Jul 21 19:58:47 RST38h, 2 mins Jul 21 19:59:24 lcuk, don't worry, we'll sort 'im out northern style :p Jul 21 19:59:31 GAN800: ?? Jul 21 19:59:46 driver progress? Jul 21 20:00:12 Somebody be cool and reply to my bugzilla meeting note on maemo-community to up the visibility. :P Jul 21 20:00:30 rm_you, pay attention to the wiki. :P Jul 21 20:00:34 lol Jul 21 20:00:45 too much stuff to pay attention to Jul 21 20:01:23 so get a bigger attention span then init Jul 21 20:01:45 /etc/init.d/bigger_attention_span start Jul 21 20:02:09 sh: /etc/init.d/bigger_attention_span not found Jul 21 20:03:18 RST38h, http://slexy.org/view/s2JqdOCugn Jul 21 20:03:44 and that freezes. it never completes a blit Jul 21 20:04:04 infact, it might not even get to a blit, because i think its something to do with stepping ouit of thumb Jul 21 20:04:11 lcuk: let me see first Jul 21 20:05:00 urgh Jul 21 20:05:11 using gcc inline assembly in such a broken way Jul 21 20:06:37 lcuk: I can't guarantee this will work Jul 21 20:06:47 well that was on the link you provided Jul 21 20:06:49 don't use inline assembly, make a separate .s file Jul 21 20:06:49 nor can i Jul 21 20:06:59 No, I did not provide you a link with that Jul 21 20:07:08 that was from http://code.google.com/p/arm1136j-s/source/browse/trunk/graphics/inline-asm-mem-16bpp.c Jul 21 20:07:15 hmmm some1 did lol Jul 21 20:07:39 the thing is: this has the exact same effect as if i use any kind of 64bit value Jul 21 20:07:47 i think its a thumb issue Jul 21 20:08:41 ahhh, was jott :) Jul 21 20:09:22 the assembly that is given is arm32 Jul 21 20:09:25 it is not thumb Jul 21 20:09:44 Stskeeps, I'm too lazy to make a swap partition, is it possible to use the .swap already present on my vfat partition? Jul 21 20:09:45 yes so it will lock up my program if i use it and im compiled to thumb... Jul 21 20:10:02 i cant remember offhand whether the optimisations did or not or the default is or not Jul 21 20:10:58 hey guys Jul 21 20:11:12 anyone know if you can get skype to use the light on the n810? Jul 21 20:11:17 so it blinks when a call is coming thru Jul 21 20:11:25 qwerty12_N800: prolly, we dont use it in installer Jul 21 20:11:32 qwerty12_N800: just that it might come in handy later Jul 21 20:12:16 RST38h, if i put the code into a .s that has its own cpu opcode model (changing is at a functional/file level) Jul 21 20:12:22 so it was advice for installation since its hard to be undone, qwerty12_N800 Jul 21 20:12:29 Stskeeps, sfdisk and cfdisk are finding ways to piss me off. i'm not going to risk 5gb worth of data for a swap partition :) Jul 21 20:12:56 qwerty12_N800: hehe, just ignore it then :) Jul 21 20:13:04 and add a swapon somewhere in rc scripts when time is Jul 21 20:13:07 zfigz: i just started using skype .. it doesnt seem to be very extinsable/feature filled Jul 21 20:13:40 Stskeeps, good idea, i'll just get it to share my maemo one :) Jul 21 20:14:05 terbo, yeah...but it's better than fring. Jul 21 20:14:59 lcuk: it should generate a correct BLX opcode for calling it Jul 21 20:15:46 fring? i mean on the n800, specifically Jul 21 20:17:06 Gizmo is better than both. . . . Jul 21 20:17:55 Oh ok Jul 21 20:18:00 fring.com Jul 21 20:19:32 Fring is about the worst piece of shit I've ever seen on the tablets. Jul 21 20:19:50 It is much worse on S60 Jul 21 20:19:58 "(GAN800) Fring is about the worst piece of shit I've ever seen" <-- fixed Jul 21 20:20:04 Takes 1 second to move selection bar between contacts Jul 21 20:20:26 It was kinda cool on the iPhone but that's because the IPhone doesn't have skype Jul 21 20:20:33 RST38h, that's because there's network access everytime you highlight a new contact Jul 21 20:20:44 crash: WHY? Jul 21 20:21:24 RST38h, IIRC, err, check the actions available for a given contact, check if the contact is still online, stuff like that Jul 21 20:21:34 in other words: very poorly designed Jul 21 20:21:49 how do you check if a user is online without going online Jul 21 20:21:59 checking the network ^ Jul 21 20:22:32 lcuk, because usually, most protocols integrate a server issued message that tells you when someone goes offline Jul 21 20:22:47 lcuk, and clients don't ask for it *everytime* they want to Jul 21 20:23:12 servers push status to clients? Jul 21 20:23:22 aye Jul 21 20:23:51 ahhhh, for example: * yerga has quit ("bye bye bye...") Jul 21 20:24:10 and * eton_ (n=eton@ppp-58-8-3-206.revip2.asianet.co.th) has joined #maemo Jul 21 20:24:19 easiest way to implement this would be the publish-subscribe design pattern Jul 21 20:24:28 lcuk, now you're talking about IRC, I'm talking about MSN/Skype Jul 21 20:24:57 crashanddie, the principle is there, freenode tells us when someone enteres or leaves Jul 21 20:25:00 lcuk, but yeah, your example still stands Jul 21 20:25:26 Stskeeps, thought about running swapoff before unmounting? "umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy" "umount: cannot umount /dev/mmcblk0p2: Invalid argument" Jul 21 20:26:18 Stskeeps: yes, its in extras Jul 21 20:26:27 qwerty12_N800: add as a ticket - i didn't think of swapoff in the whole cover-installer-ass-in case something is mounted :) Jul 21 20:26:55 Stskeeps, hah, lol will do soon Jul 21 20:27:52 has anyone managed to instal PyGTKEditor on diablo? Jul 21 20:28:09 zap: ta, one less package to host :P Jul 21 20:28:22 Ζ) Jul 21 20:28:41 practisevoodoo: there's a thread on ITT about that Jul 21 20:28:56 TO THE INTERWEB! Jul 21 20:28:57 let me see if I can find it Jul 21 20:29:36 zap: and it doesnt screw up /bin/sh busybox? Jul 21 20:30:04 Well, it is set as default to my annoyance... Jul 21 20:30:10 Stskeeps: of course not Jul 21 20:31:28 zap: both chinook and diablo extras? Jul 21 20:31:35 νση Jul 21 20:31:37 yep Jul 21 20:32:06 practisevoodoo: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=190792&postcount=48 Jul 21 20:32:47 thanks (pending success) Jul 21 20:34:24 practisevoodoo, that's kinda rude, actually Jul 21 20:34:38 really? Jul 21 20:34:59 practisevoodoo, someone dug up a link, and you'll only thank 'em if it works ? Jul 21 20:35:13 They took interest in your problem, they should be thanked regardless of the results Jul 21 20:35:18 :P Jul 21 20:35:23 [/rant] Jul 21 20:35:23 he could've just left and not said anything :P Jul 21 20:35:34 well it was supposed to be more jokey than serious, should have put a smiley in there Jul 21 20:35:54 sorry lophyte Jul 21 20:36:02 no worries :) Jul 21 20:38:11 adblock extension ported to maemo, didn't it? Jul 21 20:38:25 it sucks on maemo Jul 21 20:38:33 slow? Jul 21 20:38:37 Yes, but's about as slow and crappy as they come. Jul 21 20:38:48 css/hosts is the way to go. Jul 21 20:38:49 try flash block though, that worked quite well Jul 21 20:40:29 thanks to advertisers flash block might be enough Jul 21 20:40:57 thanks Jul 21 20:41:49 hey guys Jul 21 20:41:59 what's the best dictionary for the desktop? Jul 21 20:42:06 camcorder: Have you heard how you can add a list of names to your hosts file to block those malicious websites? Jul 21 20:42:08 stardict isn't for the desktop it seems Jul 21 20:42:30 m-c, not head, but I'd probably prepare a hosts file from filterset.g Jul 21 20:42:56 m-c, though it might not be very accurate :P Jul 21 20:42:59 Yeah, I have one that I use that is very extensive. I can let you have a copy, if you are interested Jul 21 20:43:18 m-c, why not? can you put it somewhere? Jul 21 20:43:26 I will PM you the link Jul 21 20:43:30 k Jul 21 20:43:33 thanks Jul 21 20:43:50 Sure thing - if you find any more then let me know so I can add them Jul 21 20:44:58 You may see where the page looks like it is still loading because it cannot reach the malicious servers. If that bothers you, then you can use proxy software that resolves those lookups quickly and without error. Jul 21 20:45:10 zfigz: http://code.google.com/p/stardictproject/downloads/list Jul 21 20:45:16 Privoxy - I believe that is the best one Jul 21 20:45:28 Thanks Jott Jul 21 20:45:52 And because it is a hosts file, you can be sure no program - even outside your browser - will get to those domain names Jul 21 20:48:05 * GAN800 doesn't get people who sign forum posts. Jul 21 20:48:11 anyone tried profiling adblock? Jul 21 20:49:00 jott, which do i want to download? the debian vers? Jul 21 20:52:02 hmm Jul 21 20:52:12 "Unable to update stardict. Incompatible application package" Jul 21 20:53:09 qwerty12_N800: going to bed, if there's any issues just leave some info in /msg to me and i'll take a look :) Jul 21 20:54:54 Stskeeps, same here, i don't know if i will be able to finish the install today :) Jul 21 20:55:22 hehe, just let it stand and do it's job :P Jul 21 20:55:23 bbl Jul 21 20:56:01 my router gets turned off :/ Jul 21 20:56:41 zfigz: depends on what distro you are using.. Jul 21 20:57:02 jott, i downloaded the stardict from the app manager Jul 21 20:57:14 ah on the tablet?! Jul 21 20:57:25 you asked for a desktop version.. Jul 21 20:57:30 yeah Jul 21 20:57:32 :P Jul 21 20:57:41 I have it on the N810 Jul 21 20:57:43 sorry about that Jul 21 20:58:14 the tablet version is in chinook extras, the official desktop versions are on the google code page.. Jul 21 20:58:37 chinook extras? Jul 21 20:58:41 via the application manager? Jul 21 20:58:46 I have the app on the n810 Jul 21 20:59:01 just not sure how to get dictionaries into it and where i go to find the dictionaries Jul 21 21:01:26 still working on this PyGTKEditor issue, try to install sourceview and it says that it cant instal it but it still appears in installed applications Jul 21 21:02:58 zfigz: the dictionaries are here: http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php Jul 21 21:03:33 cool, thanks jott. Jul 21 21:04:21 zfigz: there are various places stardict looks for them ( ~/.stardict/dic for example) Jul 21 21:04:50 zfigz: just use "Help" on stardict on your n810 to get the list Jul 21 21:06:13 ok Jul 21 21:08:43 hmm, still can't find any dictionaries for it Jul 21 21:08:45 looking on that site Jul 21 21:08:49 can only find the apps Jul 21 21:10:36 zfigz: its an bit ugly but they are all linked from the site i posted above Jul 21 21:11:16 oh ok Jul 21 21:11:17 i see Jul 21 21:11:19 yeah Jul 21 21:11:21 a lil' ugly Jul 21 21:11:46 they should try to find a webdesigner ;) Jul 21 21:15:10 indeed Jul 21 21:16:32 is there a file manager that actually reflects the true data structure of the file system? Jul 21 21:16:43 because i don't know how to put this dictionary into the right directory Jul 21 21:18:34 well i downloaded it Jul 21 21:20:07 zfigz: xterm and ls ??? Jul 21 21:20:59 I just downloaded a stardict dictionary Jul 21 21:21:07 not sure how to get stardict to recognize it now Jul 21 21:24:03 Anyone know how to move the dictionary to the proper directory? Jul 21 21:24:47 zfigz, where did you download it ? Jul 21 21:24:52 Do Documents Jul 21 21:24:53 zfigz, open the terminal Jul 21 21:24:53 er Jul 21 21:24:55 To that is Jul 21 21:24:57 Ok Jul 21 21:25:01 Terminal opened Jul 21 21:25:29 zfigz, ls MyDods/.documents Jul 21 21:25:39 s/MyDods/MyDocs/ Jul 21 21:25:39 crashanddie meant: zfigz, ls MyDocs/.documents Jul 21 21:26:12 ok Jul 21 21:26:14 it's still tar'd Jul 21 21:26:22 do i need to untar it? Jul 21 21:26:28 I dunno Jul 21 21:26:29 probably Jul 21 21:26:47 how would i move it to ~/.stardict/dic ? Jul 21 21:27:31 zfigz, tar xvf MyDocs/.documents/yourfile.tar -C ~/.stardict/dic Jul 21 21:27:46 Is there a way to tell maemo-launcher to restart without rebooting the device? Jul 21 21:28:44 zap, /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher restart Jul 21 21:28:56 argh Jul 21 21:28:57 no such file Jul 21 21:29:05 zfigz, what no such file ? Jul 21 21:29:10 zfigz, ~/.stardict ? Jul 21 21:30:05 crashanddie: that reboots :-) Jul 21 21:30:11 um Jul 21 21:30:15 I think so Jul 21 21:30:27 zap, oh, I don't think there is then Jul 21 21:30:38 zfigz, mkdir ~/.stardict Jul 21 21:30:44 zfigz, mkdir ~/.stardict/dic Jul 21 21:30:52 (yes, you have to issue both commands) Jul 21 21:31:17 ok Jul 21 21:32:10 ok Jul 21 21:32:18 yeah Jul 21 21:32:21 i can't untar it Jul 21 21:32:36 ah cool, force-reload does the trick! Jul 21 21:32:53 zfigz, why not ? Jul 21 21:33:21 it's not in mydocs Jul 21 21:33:23 that's why Jul 21 21:35:00 I'm not sure how to find it via terminal Jul 21 21:35:05 via the file manager it's in documents Jul 21 21:36:12 there may be a hidden file called .documents in /home/user/mydocs Jul 21 21:36:24 use ls -la Jul 21 21:36:41 also the 'find' command is useful Jul 21 21:36:42 that's exactly what I said Jul 21 21:36:51 I wasn't listening :) Jul 21 21:36:53 MyDocs/.documents/yourfile.tar Jul 21 21:37:01 well I don't mind you not listening Jul 21 21:37:03 :D Jul 21 21:37:08 ok Jul 21 21:37:14 crashanddie: ever tried mkdir -p ~/much/more/directories/at/once ? ;) Jul 21 21:37:28 jott, I prefer educating new users the right way Jul 21 21:37:36 -p is the right way :O Jul 21 21:38:29 it also prevents people making mistakes such as mkdir Videos/Torrent/eMule Jul 21 21:38:38 well hmm Jul 21 21:38:40 can't find it Jul 21 21:38:43 where "Torrent/eMule" is meant to be the same directory Jul 21 21:38:48 doesn't make any sense Jul 21 21:38:53 I should just be able to move it easily Jul 21 21:39:32 Anyone know how i can find this in terminal? Jul 21 21:39:40 it's obviously not the same as the file mangaer. Jul 21 21:40:54 find /home/user/MyDocs Jul 21 21:41:17 ok Jul 21 21:42:03 ok Jul 21 21:42:51 bz2? Jul 21 21:44:28 zfigz, ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ Jul 21 21:45:11 ok Jul 21 21:45:19 did that Jul 21 21:45:23 a bunch of text went down Jul 21 21:45:28 shows that file i want to untar Jul 21 21:45:48 you need to install "bzip2" to extract bz2 ... installing dictionaries does not look very end-user friendly :/ Jul 21 21:46:23 hehe Jul 21 21:46:25 not at all Jul 21 21:46:26 :P Jul 21 21:46:28 ok Jul 21 21:46:29 i'll get that Jul 21 21:46:53 argh Jul 21 21:46:57 it's not in the installer Jul 21 21:46:58 annoying Jul 21 21:47:46 oh well Jul 21 21:47:51 no dictionaries for me i guess Jul 21 21:49:20 so there's no application to uncompress a bz2 file? Jul 21 21:49:25 on the n810 that is Jul 21 21:49:51 oh there should be.. Jul 21 21:51:12 jott, if i wanted to use the gnu socket library (#include ) which --lib should I include? Jul 21 21:51:27 --libs Jul 21 21:51:52 Package: bzip2 1.0.3-1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_diablo_free_binary-armel_Packages) Jul 21 21:52:03 lcuk: hmm i don't think you need any extra libs Jul 21 21:52:13 undefined reference to `init_sockaddr' Jul 21 21:52:24 at linkage Jul 21 21:52:26 * sp3000 treats himself to some desktop crashes Jul 21 21:52:45 andre__, ping. Jul 21 21:52:57 GeneralAntilles, pong Jul 21 21:53:12 lcuk: mmh what did you do? Jul 21 21:53:22 Still need more on #3478? Jul 21 21:53:24 hmmm, crashanddie just told me exact same Jul 21 21:53:31 it works direct without a makefile. Jul 21 21:53:39 im gonna clean it out Jul 21 21:53:55 sorry to disturb ya Jul 21 21:53:59 * lcuk scratches his head Jul 21 21:54:01 sp3000, how do i get that application? Jul 21 21:54:27 GeneralAntilles, more info is never bad :-P Jul 21 21:54:30 depends Jul 21 21:54:36 one would be, as root apt-get install bzip2 Jul 21 21:54:51 Well, sure, but I'm hoping I provided enough context. ;) Jul 21 21:55:15 (you need to enable the pre-defined maemo extras repository in app mgr first) Jul 21 21:55:29 GeneralAntilles, i think it's okay like this. let's see what the devs will say :) Jul 21 21:55:46 I mean, I know m-vo is familiar with the issue Jul 21 21:55:54 lcuk: does it work now? ;) Jul 21 21:56:17 GeneralAntilles, and he's the internal assignee for this Jul 21 21:56:32 grrr, gnome bugzilla is slow... Jul 21 21:56:45 Can't possibly be as slow as maemo.org. :P Jul 21 21:57:11 hah. Jul 21 21:57:42 I need some sort of evil mascot for unreproducible crashes Jul 21 21:57:51 unreproducible crash baboon? Jul 21 21:57:54 sp3000, use GeneralAntilles Jul 21 21:58:17 * GeneralAntilles sings and dances. Jul 21 21:58:24 whats the pass for root? Jul 21 21:58:35 * sp3000 gets another desktop crash Jul 21 21:58:38 3rd plug for anybody who hasn't already seen it: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_Bugzilla Jul 21 21:58:45 Needs more input. Jul 21 21:58:46 I may be trying to crash it, I'm not quite sure Jul 21 21:59:03 ~rootsh Jul 21 21:59:04 [rootsh] an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ Jul 21 21:59:12 jott, no im just trying to work out why Jul 21 21:59:19 but it crashes instead right when I stop trying S Jul 21 21:59:24 s/S/:S/ Jul 21 21:59:24 sp3000 meant: but it crashes instead right when I stop trying :S Jul 21 21:59:25 lcuk: have you actually defined init_sockaddr? :O Jul 21 21:59:59 doubt it Jul 21 22:00:12 lcuk: sooo.... .. . :) Jul 21 22:00:20 http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libc/Inet-Example.html#Inet-Example Jul 21 22:00:29 i was trying to start from the beginning Jul 21 22:01:10 lcuk: yeah well see, they show how to implement a function init_sockaddr :) Jul 21 22:01:43 * lcuk facepalms Jul 21 22:01:51 ok, i download bz2 but i don't know where it downloaded to Jul 21 22:01:53 * lcuk takes a bow Jul 21 22:02:16 i told you i shouldnt drink wine and code Jul 21 22:02:38 lol Jul 21 22:02:42 isn't that exactly what I said ? Jul 21 22:02:44 so now tonight im sat here thinking i coded it fine Jul 21 22:02:59 lcuk: just make sure you hit the ballmer peak ;) ( http://xkcd.com/323/ ) Jul 21 22:03:04 ;) Jul 21 22:03:17 i dont normally drink but opened a bottle of red lastnight Jul 21 22:03:25 I downloaded bzip2 but i don't know where it got downloaded to Jul 21 22:03:29 i used root to download it Jul 21 22:04:26 hm Jul 21 22:04:54 * sp3000 is starting to suspect the large statusbar clock minutes applet crashes eventually if the hours aren't enabled, or something Jul 21 22:05:53 hmm Jul 21 22:06:01 I'm thinking of just using a different dictionary application Jul 21 22:06:04 this is way too confusing Jul 21 22:06:43 sp3000, unlikely Jul 21 22:06:54 lcuk: whisky, a true coders drink Jul 21 22:06:57 What might be happening is that its alarm functions could be causing trouble Jul 21 22:07:05 Make sure the alarm stuff is turned off. Jul 21 22:07:14 zfigz, apt-get install bzip2 Jul 21 22:07:15 it's off it says Jul 21 22:07:32 ok Jul 21 22:07:33 i'll try that Jul 21 22:07:48 yigal, no way. i followed everything i had been taught and just missed one line. Jul 21 22:08:11 << PHAIL Jul 21 22:08:39 hmm Jul 21 22:08:41 i don't know Jul 21 22:08:43 this shite not working Jul 21 22:09:31 GeneralAntilles: but, yeah, it isn't that simple Jul 21 22:09:43 which is why I cue in ... Jul 21 22:09:49 unreproducible crash boboon! Jul 21 22:09:53 baboon even! Jul 21 22:10:01 yeah, i don't see that it was even installed Jul 21 22:10:04 hey jott, it compiles now Jul 21 22:10:08 *redfaced* Jul 21 22:10:29 What's the crash about, anyway? Jul 21 22:11:19 Unreproducible Crash Baboon says, "Hi" http://www.mnh.si.edu/exhibits/natures_best_2006/gallery/baboon.jpg Jul 21 22:13:20 Haha Jul 21 22:13:29 That baboon makes me think of me when I haven't shaved for a while Jul 21 22:14:15 that baboon would scare the missus Jul 21 22:14:30 even though she's used to you ? Jul 21 22:14:32 Print it out, fold it into a throwing star and throw it at here. Jul 21 22:14:38 s/here/her/ Jul 21 22:14:38 GeneralAntilles meant: Print it out, fold it into a throwing star and throw it at her. Jul 21 22:14:39 Does anyone know of a different dictionary besides this poopy stardict Jul 21 22:14:41 ? Jul 21 22:14:52 wiktionary.org Jul 21 22:15:09 Or tell her you're printing her out something important and send her to the print Jul 21 22:15:10 er Jul 21 22:16:52 its too similar to a clown Jul 21 22:17:28 "We have 500Gig of RAID storage, the database you will be designing should be able to work on that drive for the next 10 years, without space issues" "The database, with 15k users, 15k companies, 15k sensors, 45k test results, and 50k of random entries weighs about 500M" "OH MY GOD, BUT WE TOLD YOU TO THINK OF THE DRIVE SPACE !!" "How many companies/users/sensors have you tested in the past year ?" "Err 3" "I rest my case" Jul 21 22:17:31 mdictionary i guess is my best bet Jul 21 22:18:35 Is Map any better than maemo mapper? Jul 21 22:18:42 because wow, the gps locate is terrible Jul 21 22:18:44 zfigz, they're difference Jul 21 22:18:51 s/difference/different Jul 21 22:18:59 one costs money Jul 21 22:19:01 and the other doesn't Jul 21 22:19:10 Map doesn't cost money Jul 21 22:19:13 i know that...but i just wish i could have a gps program that worked a lil' butter Jul 21 22:19:15 er Jul 21 22:19:20 no? Jul 21 22:19:29 zfigz, have you tried A-GPS BETA ? Jul 21 22:19:40 crashanddie, you want one of my sharpened sticks to punish them with? Jul 21 22:20:04 crash, does that work pretty well? Jul 21 22:20:44 GeneralAntilles, I hide a sharpened n810 stylus Jul 21 22:21:10 it gets some data from the internets so it'll have a better guesstimate of which sats to listen to or such, so it gets a fix somewhat faster **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 22:24:27 2008 Jul 21 22:29:54 Don't forget! Sprint meeting in #maemo-meeting tomorrow, everybody! Jul 21 22:31:37 19:00 UTC Jul 21 22:35:44 A-GPS Beta looks a lil' clunky Jul 21 22:43:57 :) client and server are talking Jul 21 22:45:02 lcuk: now you can distribute your mini mes :) Jul 21 22:45:34 now i can see what kind of bandwidth is available Jul 21 22:47:19 lcuk: ? Jul 21 22:47:26 client/server of what Jul 21 22:48:22 rm_you, :) i have extracted the gstreamer camera data from the barcode stuff and am pushing the data from the live camera onto a liqbase bitmap Jul 21 22:48:44 that bitmap is being blitted live onto screen. i can nicely fit 25 such bitmaps on a screen Jul 21 22:48:59 i want to see whether i can replace 25 mini mes with 25 mini yous Jul 21 22:49:17 ROFL Jul 21 22:49:20 I will beta :P Jul 21 22:49:25 have decent up bandwidth Jul 21 22:49:32 I'm first :P Jul 21 22:49:37 i have no idea if it will work Jul 21 22:49:44 its just for the hell of it Jul 21 22:50:29 even if we update once every 10 seconds it would be a laugh Jul 21 22:50:48 gives us another thing to do with our devices :) Jul 21 22:51:52 should at minimum be able to update 2fps i would think Jul 21 22:54:31 i once wrote a program to do this (for my old college) which would show a preview of ALL desktops in a classroom - even those out of sight. the teacher could then click to zoom and get vnc type updates. they could send cautionary emails and messages tothe screens and log them out n stuff all with picture goodness Jul 21 22:54:44 anyway, this is similar but for camera images :) Jul 21 22:57:06 this mdictionary is ok...only if it had dictionaries in it Jul 21 22:57:32 isn't gstreamer supposed to push the data over the network too? Jul 21 22:59:28 jott, dunno, can it? Jul 21 22:59:37 yeah Jul 21 22:59:42 you can send it to a networked sink Jul 21 22:59:44 don't you love beating your head against a wall all day only to find out the bug is on the other end of the tcp/ip connection *gah* Jul 21 23:01:36 brontide: are you refering to layer 8? ;> Jul 21 23:01:59 actually google, what's up with layer 8? Jul 21 23:02:30 ahh... wikipedia to the rescue Jul 21 23:03:28 google's atom standards compliance leaves a *little* to be desired ( as in some things just don't work ) Jul 21 23:32:13 look here : http://geld-fuchz.1x.to/ Jul 21 23:57:10 What do I need to do to get gpsd to accept external connections? Jul 21 23:57:16 We could really use a gpsd wiki page Jul 22 00:09:06 jott: lcuk: I want to get datamatrix working... Jul 22 00:09:19 so that we can encode links and stuff on our tablets Jul 22 00:09:30 and then at the summit people can scan the images from people's tablets :P Jul 22 00:09:36 easy way to share links Jul 22 00:09:54 cool idea Jul 22 00:12:30 hey guys Jul 22 00:12:44 the N810 USB is host or client ? Jul 22 00:12:56 can I connect a wireless USB into it ? Jul 22 00:14:04 gramulhaozin: it is on-the-go Jul 22 00:14:07 so it can do host Jul 22 00:14:49 I'm wondering if I can plug a sierrawireless card into it Jul 22 00:18:55 rm_you: like an EVDO card Jul 22 00:19:03 rm_you: or 3g or edge Jul 22 00:20:01 gramulhaozin, if you can find drivers. Jul 22 00:20:09 and it'll need a power injector Jul 22 00:20:33 5volts right Jul 22 00:20:45 5 volts and 1/2 amps Jul 22 00:22:14 a little 5V LI-Poly batter would work Jul 22 00:23:23 Somebody set up video chat with their tablet, make yourself a hard hat and attach it to it so I can attend the Summit. Jul 22 00:24:56 there is linux support for the thing Jul 22 00:25:08 ATT sells plan for PDA for 30 Bucks Jul 22 00:25:27 can I get a GSM SIM from PDA and plug into a card and play ? Jul 22 00:44:05 GeneralAntilles: Sprint review? what does that mean? Jul 22 02:15:55 Haha Jul 22 02:16:13 I can launch websites on the NIT my console on my laptop :) Jul 22 02:18:52 http://slexy.org/view/s2cs8TPVoA Jul 22 02:52:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiYbQfDhGKg **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 22 02:59:57 2008