**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 22 02:59:57 2008 Jul 22 03:01:59 Hey folks. Could someone help me with some questions about the advanced backlight statusbar applet? Jul 22 04:29:22 summatusmentis: https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 Jul 22 04:33:49 OK, I've finally got around to installing the Maemo SDK. Am I missing something or is the environment entirely missing all the apps that my own apps may want to wind up interacting with? Jul 22 04:51:57 UserID10T: yo Jul 22 04:52:01 UserID10T: what you need? Jul 22 06:02:55 anyone with a 770 who can answer http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22164 ? i'm personally a bit curious about -sources.tar.gz ;) Jul 22 06:04:39 UserID10T: yo Jul 22 06:08:52 Stskeeps, that'd really be a Nokia question. I've never seen a straight answer to that. Basically, it should be a collection of patches and scripts for turning OS2008+OS2006 into OS2008HE, but I don't know of anybody outside of Nokia who has managed to apply them Jul 22 06:09:03 They basically come with zero documentation. Jul 22 06:09:48 GAN800: well, there's both patches and -sources, and the last one is curious :P Jul 22 06:10:29 i guess i'm just too excited cos i just got my morning coffee ;) Jul 22 06:10:40 If you want a WLAN to grab them for nit-debian, I can furnish you with something. Jul 22 06:12:00 mm, might be interested, and just hoping it's not closed source stuff in it as that'd taint me :P Jul 22 06:13:30 Stskeeps, yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing :/ Jul 22 06:13:49 mostly curious because of differences between n770 and n800 Jul 22 06:14:04 johnx: saw my messages last night? Jul 22 06:14:09 yup Jul 22 06:14:54 and this one? ;) NIT-Debian, Flash, http://rafb.net/p/wI5uCi52.html and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg (done with import -window root nit-debian-fullscreenflash.jpg) Jul 22 06:15:22 which leads to a -lot- of interesting possibilities Jul 22 06:15:44 a flash based UI for you? :) Jul 22 06:15:54 well for anyone who want to implement it Jul 22 06:16:31 to make a UI it's a matter of getting cherrypy (python based webserver), slap a flash on top that uses json to communicate with the backend cherrypy, and a gtkmozembed script :P Jul 22 06:16:40 it's actually fairly fast loading Jul 22 06:17:00 that's pretty cool Jul 22 06:17:05 how's the responsiveness? Jul 22 06:17:33 well i only had lame .swfs to test with, but haven't seen any simple flash things Jul 22 06:17:53 the one i had in browser was okay in responsiveness, but it was prolly slowed down by having entire of ephihany loaded Jul 22 06:18:34 a pixel doubled 400x240 flash UI might be neat for some applications Jul 22 06:20:38 but i have the hack down to having a package Provides: osso-esd (which depends on a real esd), apt-get install libcurl3 libosso1, dpkg -i adobe-flashplayer, dpkg -i libplayback, and a LD_PRELOAD of libesd and my 'fakehildon.so' Jul 22 06:20:42 so it's fairly packagable Jul 22 06:21:02 if i can find something to inject a library dependancy into a .so we could avoid LD_PRELOAD Jul 22 06:26:27 anyone know why mpcc still isn't working? Jul 22 06:27:04 mmpc? Jul 22 06:27:17 er, possibly :/ Jul 22 06:27:34 qwerty12, interviewed? :P Jul 22 06:27:35 yes Jul 22 06:27:41 mmpc Jul 22 06:28:01 GAN800: Yep :/ Jul 22 06:28:39 I'm not much of a speaker though... Jul 22 06:29:09 Ha, Skype interview? Jul 22 06:29:44 He wanted me to do an podcast, I was too tired and would prefer to do an Q&A Jul 22 06:30:24 Hehe Jul 22 06:30:43 Not being Quim, the rest of us fail at 'live' interviews. :D Jul 22 06:30:54 Lol :D Jul 22 06:31:21 If someone was to live interview me right now, all they would hear was mumbles. Jul 22 06:31:23 irc interviews are much better Jul 22 06:31:24 :P Jul 22 06:31:29 <-- Too tired >.< Jul 22 06:31:32 voice is overrated ;) Jul 22 06:32:13 Voice is alright, but better left to people with experience with it. Jul 22 06:32:54 On both sides Jul 22 06:33:38 Stskeeps: Please fix the the backspace key in the installer! It sends a ^@ symbol instead, I was up to the root password part (which it took me a long time to get to) and I made a mistake and I couldn't go back to change it so I thought I would get the option to set it again and I didn't. The chroot failed and the installer kicked me out :( Jul 22 06:33:42 You can rarely get away from it, though Jul 22 06:34:24 That is a funny bs Jul 22 06:34:26 qwerty12: root password? then system is almost installed Jul 22 06:35:12 qwerty12: just chroot /mnt/nit-debian, passwd root, mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon /sbin/start-stop-daemon.FAKE; mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL /sbin/start-stop-daemon Jul 22 06:35:17 Stskeeps: I messed it up though. I'm not sure what was to be done next so I reformatted the partition :/ Jul 22 06:35:20 oki Jul 22 06:35:31 qwerty12: what TERM do you have? Jul 22 06:35:38 i think it's a screen issue so :P Jul 22 06:35:39 Funny way to say NUL? Jul 22 06:35:59 Stskeeps: I'm using the osso-xterm that comes with Diablo. Jul 22 06:36:40 qwerty12: ah, still tampering with not over ssh :) Jul 22 06:36:47 i'll see what i can do Jul 22 06:37:25 :), thanks, I can't ssh into my device so ssh is out for me. Meanwhile, I'll grab that terminal KotCzarny built with xvkbd. Jul 22 06:37:48 could you do a "set | grep TERM" in osso-xterm and tell me what it says? Jul 22 06:38:53 COLORTERM='Terminal' Jul 22 06:38:54 TERM='xterm' Jul 22 06:38:58 Maybe echo $TERM Jul 22 06:39:09 k Jul 22 06:42:58 neat, searching for ^@ on google groups causes a server error Jul 22 06:47:27 qwerty12: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/screen/+bug/29787 Jul 22 06:47:57 could you see if "and make sure "stty erase ^?" is set for the terminal" would work? Jul 22 06:48:30 or nevermind, i'll just grab svn and add the screenrc patch :P Jul 22 06:49:39 That's even nicer :P. BTW, I know I'm complaining a lot but I really appreciate your work into this. Jul 22 06:52:07 qwerty12: hey, software has bugs and if there's bugs reported, it only means people cared enough about the product to do it :P Jul 22 06:52:28 qwerty12: svn up, and screen -c template-screenrc, and try to run passwd or the likes and see if backspace works now Jul 22 06:53:18 Great, grabbing now. Jul 22 06:53:36 screen -c won't run an installer, just a sh session to see if it happens again :P Jul 22 06:57:12 I'm 80% sure it didn't work and when I tried testing again, mce restarted the device :/ Jul 22 06:59:14 No, password says the passwords I enter do not match. Jul 22 06:59:19 *passwd Jul 22 06:59:32 k, so i guess fix didn't work, hmm. Jul 22 07:00:09 did you have backspace problems when entering mirror? Jul 22 07:00:22 Yeah Jul 22 07:01:23 hmm Jul 22 07:01:38 Gtg now, bye Jul 22 07:02:33 guess i'll have to mess around with osso-xterm when i get home :> Jul 22 07:04:56 It's not the brightest term around Jul 22 07:06:19 If you run stty, is erase set to something funny? Jul 22 07:06:52 i'm not sure that i like my new sleep schedule >_> Jul 22 07:09:17 hey rm_you Jul 22 07:09:22 rm_you, why not? Jul 22 07:09:25 :P Jul 22 07:11:48 rm_you: http://xkcd.com/448/ so where are you now? ;) Jul 22 07:12:06 lol Jul 22 07:12:13 problem is, i'm going to sleep now Jul 22 07:13:25 rm_you: don't be too sure about that yet ;) Jul 22 07:13:45 gah Jul 22 07:13:47 whats up? :P Jul 22 07:13:52 * jott plays the riddler.. muhahaha Jul 22 07:14:04 jott: so, trying to figure out why this isn't working with anyone ELSE's tablet Jul 22 07:14:06 grrs Jul 22 07:14:19 no one else can get names of items to come up Jul 22 07:14:23 makes no sense Jul 22 07:14:26 works perfect on mine Jul 22 07:14:46 what version of libsqlite3-0 are you on? Jul 22 07:14:50 maybe you have a different sql database or sqlite version indeed .. Jul 22 07:15:07 hrm Jul 22 07:15:17 Installed: 3.4.1-1osso3 Jul 22 07:15:37 though it would be mindf*cked if the minor version would matter :/ Jul 22 07:15:50 using 3.5.9 here Jul 22 07:16:32 why not use the official one? Jul 22 07:16:38 dunno >_> Jul 22 07:16:40 will switch back Jul 22 07:16:42 OH yeah Jul 22 07:16:48 i needed sqlite3 to make the DB Jul 22 07:17:02 and for some reason the official one just straight up REFUSED to build the main package Jul 22 07:17:05 with the utilities Jul 22 07:17:24 you could always write a mini client .. :P Jul 22 07:17:30 lol Jul 22 07:17:32 sec Jul 22 07:17:42 need to grab the official one Jul 22 07:18:16 Hi ! Jul 22 07:19:02 yep wow Jul 22 07:19:09 it's the version of the lib Jul 22 07:19:12 gah Jul 22 07:19:14 fixing Jul 22 07:22:03 someone have see ubuntu ume first release ? Jul 22 07:22:20 does there is a pim ? Jul 22 07:22:26 calendar specially ? Jul 22 07:26:12 hrm Jul 22 07:26:43 jott: great... Jul 22 07:27:14 i think the db is broken Jul 22 07:27:22 in 3.4.1 Jul 22 07:27:25 >_> Jul 22 07:27:45 rm_you: oO Jul 22 07:29:12 stupid... Jul 22 07:29:17 indeed Jul 22 07:30:18 oops forgot to add the .h Jul 22 07:30:22 checked in properly now :P Jul 22 07:30:25 lol Jul 22 07:30:26 http://www.sqlite.org/formatchng.html mh ;) Jul 22 07:30:58 you and your "mh" Jul 22 07:31:16 "The previous file format change has caused so much grief that the default behavior has been changed back to the original file format. " ;) Jul 22 07:31:55 damnit Jul 22 07:32:44 still it should work.. this change as before 3.4 :/ Jul 22 07:33:05 3.4.2 to 3.5.0 -> The on-disk file format is unchanged. Jul 22 07:33:14 hah but it does not say 3.4.1 -> 3.5.0 ;> Jul 22 07:33:29 ...... Jul 22 07:33:32 this is stupid Jul 22 07:33:57 i'd go back to 2.8 if the API wasnt horribly undocumented and lame Jul 22 07:34:20 and i'd just convert the DB if there was a buildable version of sqlite for 3.4.1 Jul 22 07:34:20 can't you 'export' it to sql sentences and then create it again with 3.4.1? Jul 22 07:34:22 :) Jul 22 07:34:27 oh :P Jul 22 07:34:36 IT'S RIDICULOUS Jul 22 07:34:37 WHY Jul 22 07:34:47 WHY DOESN'T 3.4.1 INCLUDE THE MAIN UTILITY PACKAGE Jul 22 07:34:50 WHYYYYYYYY Jul 22 07:34:55 .dump exports Jul 22 07:35:03 and what will import it!? Jul 22 07:35:05 >_< Jul 22 07:35:32 Just running the output, which is SQL imports Jul 22 07:35:50 But without access.. :) Jul 22 07:36:49 You can't get to any tool or api that would let you run arbitrary statements? Jul 22 07:38:06 hrm Jul 22 07:38:09 working on it Jul 22 07:38:15 or just add the sqlite3 package description to the 3.4.1 control file? ;) Jul 22 07:39:23 I don't actually know what you're doing anyway :) Jul 22 07:40:28 cursing that 3.4.1 sqlite databases seem to be incompatible to 3.5.9 ones :) Jul 22 07:42:51 jott: it is in there Jul 22 07:43:01 rm_you: no Jul 22 07:43:20 jott: it so totally is :P well, in mine Jul 22 07:43:23 i tried messing with it Jul 22 07:43:25 atleast not in the osso one Jul 22 07:43:33 from diablo sources Jul 22 07:43:33 why does rm_you have 3.5.9? Jul 22 07:43:38 yep Jul 22 07:43:43 it just build the sqlite3 package Jul 22 07:43:44 bef0rd: i built it myself Jul 22 07:44:03 bef0rd: because the nokia folks removed the sqlite3 standalone from the control file :p Jul 22 07:44:15 and hence it's not build.. Jul 22 07:44:31 my touchscreen isnt working anymore :( Jul 22 07:44:37 doesnt even make the tick when you press it Jul 22 07:45:07 * jott disabled the tick Jul 22 07:45:33 hah, then re-enable the touch :p Jul 22 07:47:22 i just wanted to say, that the tick is not an indication for a working touchscreen ... :/ Jul 22 07:48:12 acydlord > check there is nothing blocked between the screen and the cover Jul 22 07:48:26 northing in there Jul 22 07:48:32 at least not that i can see Jul 22 07:48:33 reboot? :) Jul 22 07:48:42 reboot and reflash didnt fix Jul 22 07:48:51 ouch Jul 22 07:49:13 mh :( Jul 22 07:49:22 because as it not multitouch if something is pressing the screen between the plastique cover and the screen, user feel that the touch screen is defective Jul 22 07:49:53 also remove screen protector if you have one Jul 22 07:49:57 i looked down in there and didnt see anything Jul 22 07:50:02 no screen protector Jul 22 07:50:05 hum too bad Jul 22 07:50:12 anyway to pull the front face off to make sure? Jul 22 07:50:28 oh ... Jul 22 07:50:42 wifi at home drop ... Jul 22 07:50:52 it's an n810 Jul 22 07:51:03 acydlord: hm not that easy .. Jul 22 07:51:05 at least on the 880 i could pull the front cover off Jul 22 07:51:20 Would be useful tosee if the screen is registering anything Jul 22 07:51:38 i was gonna try to pull everything apart to make sure something didnt come loose but didnt get too fa Jul 22 07:52:00 hum ... if it s a n810 ... waranty should cover this Jul 22 07:52:03 the screen was resgistering touches off and on for the past 2 days, and then about 2 hours ago it just stopped altogether Jul 22 07:52:12 as n810 is less 1 year old Jul 22 07:52:22 rm_you: http://outpo.st/sqlite3_3.4.1-1osso3_armel.deb works here Jul 22 07:52:39 yeah Jul 22 07:52:46 k Jul 22 07:52:55 acydlord: and i would not open it as long as you have warranty ... Jul 22 07:53:00 but from what i've heard about the nokia repairs i may be dead by the time i get it back Jul 22 07:53:10 great thing that there is a 2 year warranty Jul 22 07:53:30 acydlord > it take 2 weeks to get mine come back Jul 22 07:54:03 I have a feeling it's something to do with the cable from the keyboard sliding Jul 22 07:54:11 acydlord: maybe also check with a local nokia store.. if they can fix it inhouse you can make better pressure Jul 22 07:54:11 2 weeks isnt too terribly bad Jul 22 07:54:24 i dont think i have a local nokia store Jul 22 07:54:29 guess i should check Jul 22 07:54:48 Laggy :( Jul 22 07:56:12 from looking at the itt forums it seems to be a common issue =/ Jul 22 07:56:22 acydlord > call nokia support, they will give you the nearest one Jul 22 07:56:42 i thought there was only one nokia store in the states Jul 22 07:56:49 ? Jul 22 07:57:17 when i was looking online awhile back they only had newyork listed Jul 22 07:59:12 repair center can be a store that isn't nokia one Jul 22 07:59:20 they just send it Jul 22 07:59:34 this was the case for me Jul 22 07:59:53 AHH Jul 22 08:00:15 now I'm worried about my touch screen :( Jul 22 08:00:31 CRAP, THE NOKIA SITE SAYS TO SEND A PROOF OF PURCHASE? Jul 22 08:00:37 eep sorry aboot the caps Jul 22 08:00:45 understandable Jul 22 08:00:51 I'm in the same situation... Jul 22 08:01:47 i hope they dont absolutely require the proof of purchase, i lost all that mess moving Jul 22 08:01:57 this makes me wish i handt sold my 800 Jul 22 08:04:37 acydlord, they don't in Finland at least Jul 22 08:06:38 in finland you hardly ever need a proof of purchase with nokias Jul 22 08:06:52 and with n810 you really shouldnt, as its not as old yet :) Jul 22 08:07:15 same thing in france Jul 22 08:07:57 but if u buy it online, you can also ask for a duplicata Jul 22 08:09:15 I bought it online, but the online store nokia used for the developers discounts sucks Jul 22 08:10:16 the nokia site really isnt friendly to IT owners Jul 22 08:10:20 Morning, all Jul 22 08:10:29 the repair thing first tells me to contact my service provider Jul 22 08:11:21 they should give developers special warranty services :P Jul 22 08:11:37 mmm. I like n810, but the phone bill will be high :) Jul 22 08:11:59 <---on vacation in ital. Jul 22 08:12:28 they should, but it seems the main arm of nokia is oblivious to the tablets Jul 22 08:12:52 I think it's kind of a pilot project at this point Jul 22 08:13:25 I wonder how it was when Nokia was first getting into mobile phones... Jul 22 08:13:33 i cant even get the repair taken care of without calling Jul 22 08:13:41 it requires a carrier and the cell number Jul 22 08:13:51 heh Jul 22 08:15:45 And when you call, they tell you to reinstakk windows, their software and see if it works Jul 22 08:16:04 Then tell you that version isn't supported Jul 22 08:16:15 jott: wtf Jul 22 08:16:23 jott: ok now i am getting the same as you, no names Jul 22 08:16:52 morning Jul 22 08:17:09 nm Jul 22 08:17:10 working Jul 22 08:17:19 just found ONE barcode that does ODD things Jul 22 08:18:38 jott: anyway, you can try it now, new DB Jul 22 08:18:44 man, i'm gonna be stuck using my centro for awhile if i have to ship my n810 out for repairs Jul 22 08:19:16 hehe Jul 22 08:19:23 Palm Powa ... Jul 22 08:19:29 yeah Jul 22 08:19:46 i hope they get the treo 800 palm version out before christmas Jul 22 08:20:14 hum ... personnaly i ll never buy palm product Jul 22 08:20:15 :) Jul 22 08:20:28 why is that? Jul 22 08:20:32 heh...saw a 16MB clie for $30 used at a local store...almost looked like it would be worth it to play with Jul 22 08:20:54 i was a fanboy in the past ... but they re api tend to be more and more ridiculous Jul 22 08:21:32 yeah, from a development perspective I would stay the heck away. but they're nice from a user perspective for some things Jul 22 08:21:35 i mainly got mine for all the dirty hacks you can do Jul 22 08:22:04 like circumventing sprint's 5gb a month PAM cap Jul 22 08:22:04 jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 Jul 22 08:22:10 same filename (meh) new DB Jul 22 08:22:10 example : to set the home button to launch an application there is a way to do this with api, but there is a new function incompatible with the old each time a new device is released Jul 22 08:22:14 should work now Jul 22 08:22:16 test? Jul 22 08:22:28 for treo680, there is two ... Jul 22 08:23:45 it s a real pain to use network socket for example Jul 22 08:23:58 * acydlord mourns his N810 touchscreen Jul 22 08:24:11 as library isn't the same for all device, and isn't documented for all device Jul 22 08:24:21 yeah, i gave up on coding for palm awhile back Jul 22 08:24:35 i ve pass many time to make kMeteo working on many device Jul 22 08:24:36 i dont even use it for much more than email and as a modem to be honest Jul 22 08:25:01 i'm using kmeteo on my centro :) Jul 22 08:25:04 :) Jul 22 08:25:18 i ve writted my own library Jul 22 08:25:24 rm_you, will test in a sec Jul 22 08:25:36 haha, and tis whole time i didnt notice it was one of your apps Jul 22 08:25:45 i should look at the about pages more often Jul 22 08:25:48 :) Jul 22 08:25:54 and it s open source Jul 22 08:25:55 :) Jul 22 08:26:14 it's the best weather app i've found for palm Jul 22 08:26:31 anywho i've got to get to bed, gotta be up for work in 5 hours Jul 22 08:27:56 thanks Jul 22 08:39:35 :) Jul 22 08:39:40 ;_; Jul 22 08:40:11 * johnx grabs upc3 Jul 22 08:40:23 did you get the db to work with 3.4.1 rm_you ? Jul 22 08:40:43 bef0rd: yes Jul 22 08:41:03 cool. What was it for? :P Jul 22 08:41:07 johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22164 , guess that explains what it is :) (fanoush's post) Jul 22 08:41:08 jot managed to strangehold the control file into coughing up the utility package Jul 22 08:41:28 bef0rd: barcode scanner Jul 22 08:42:10 Stskeeps, think it's safe for people to look at that stuff? Jul 22 08:42:31 rm_you, ok, so I have the .db Jul 22 08:42:37 where should I get the program? Jul 22 08:42:52 johnx: not a single bit Jul 22 08:43:00 well, mce is already "out there" Jul 22 08:44:04 great. Nothing quite like a release of source that has more potential to cause harm than good. Jul 22 08:44:41 yeah.. there should be a law that once a source has leaked from official company page, it's public domain ;) Jul 22 08:47:07 god, i love my regen_repo script Jul 22 08:47:10 saves so much bloody time Jul 22 08:51:14 woo, http://rafb.net/p/KWZidu60.html :) Jul 22 08:54:00 slick Jul 22 08:57:55 johnx: is license on http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian#License okay for you? since i include a bunch of your hacks :P Jul 22 08:59:04 hmm, I wonder what Debian's policy is with regards to using the Debian name to promote Debian derivatives Jul 22 08:59:51 that's a good question Jul 22 09:00:09 else we'll just call it something else :P Jul 22 09:01:26 but then any of the projects around the tablets with Debian have issues, even the chroot ones ;) Jul 22 09:01:53 so not GPL? Jul 22 09:02:16 i doubt Debians name can be used in "closed" projects? Jul 22 09:02:58 johnx: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode Jul 22 09:03:09 macoute, it's essentially the BSD license unless I'm mistaken Jul 22 09:03:15 well, your license seems ok Jul 22 09:03:18 the BSD license is GPL compatible Jul 22 09:03:25 johnx: yeah, i just read it :) Jul 22 09:03:32 ah, ok Jul 22 09:03:34 johnx: it is the bsd license :P Jul 22 09:03:39 johnx: but is your version of bsd gpl compatible? Jul 22 09:03:50 theres no saying "BSD License version xxx" Jul 22 09:04:05 so its not BSD, althought it "is" BSD Jul 22 09:04:08 was the advertisement clause a problem? I forgot... Jul 22 09:04:19 yeah, it was Jul 22 09:04:22 but there's none in this one Jul 22 09:04:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_license Jul 22 09:04:45 macoute, since the BSD license allows you to re-publish under the GPL, it's de-facto GPL compatible Jul 22 09:05:31 johnx: yeah, BSD is, but no-one is sure that is your version of BSD Jul 22 09:06:01 johnx: as your license is not BSD (as there is no mention of BSD anywhere on your license) Jul 22 09:06:21 but that surely looks like a nice project :) Jul 22 09:06:29 i havent had the time to test myself yet Jul 22 09:06:31 macoute, ok, read the license. it clearly says you're allowed to do pretty much anything, including relicense Jul 22 09:06:34 macoute: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php Jul 22 09:06:35 :P Jul 22 09:06:50 basically same license, so Jul 22 09:07:26 yeah, i remembered incorrectly Jul 22 09:07:34 theres no mention of BSD in BSD license either :) Jul 22 09:08:04 Stskeeps, yes, the BSD license sounds fine Jul 22 09:08:23 johnx: goodie Jul 22 09:09:40 Stskeeps, the debian.org trademark page seems to have the answer: We allow all businesses to make reasonable use of the "Debian" trademark. Jul 22 09:09:47 more here: http://www.debian.org/trademark Jul 22 09:09:52 so it seems like we're fine Jul 22 09:10:39 it doesnt Jul 22 09:10:44 i was reading the same page Jul 22 09:10:50 Licensing is necessary any time anyone creates a company, product or set of services, certification program, or even a separate free software project that wants use the DEBIAN mark as part of its name. Jul 22 09:10:57 so you are using debian in the name? Jul 22 09:11:23 hmm, this is not the same page im reading, this is a draft. maybe that has changed? Jul 22 09:11:36 I figured we were covered since it said it was ok to make a CD and call it Debian Jul 22 09:11:44 the page I linked is the current policy Jul 22 09:12:21 *nod* Jul 22 09:12:23 johnx: it is ok to make a cd and call it debian if IT IS A debian :) Jul 22 09:12:30 it is a debian, really Jul 22 09:12:34 with packages on top Jul 22 09:12:34 :P Jul 22 09:12:34 but if you modify it it is not ok Jul 22 09:12:42 we don't touch any of the base packages Jul 22 09:12:44 http://wiki.mako.cc/TrademarkFreedom Jul 22 09:13:00 this is the draft (which is linked on johnx's pasted site) Jul 22 09:13:30 the copyright is not ready yet, though already registered Jul 22 09:13:57 if there starts being problems it'll be a matter of sedding and renaming :P Jul 22 09:14:08 thats true too :) Jul 22 09:14:20 we don't use it in our domain name, for instance Jul 22 09:14:35 and we do use their debootstrap Jul 22 09:14:40 and i kinda don't want another fight with debian-legal Jul 22 09:14:43 but id ask from debian, as thats a way to give some credit for debian too Jul 22 09:14:44 that was a fun time. Jul 22 09:15:05 and im pretty sure they would allow the use of debian name Jul 22 09:15:08 if asked Jul 22 09:15:11 we'd just call it "Debbie NITs" Jul 22 09:15:11 :P Jul 22 09:15:54 as the main goal for the debian copyright is to be as free as possible, only to protect debian trademark from any harm done Jul 22 09:16:25 let's call it good for now. :) Jul 22 09:16:28 hehe Jul 22 09:16:46 :) Jul 22 09:16:57 morning Jul 22 09:29:58 rm_you, awesome sauce! Jul 22 09:32:54 rm_you, yeah, lighting is definitely the key Jul 22 09:33:13 it's finding codes but no successful lookups yet Jul 22 09:33:19 just "unknown unknown" Jul 22 09:33:27 that's not entirely surprising though... Jul 22 09:38:31 johnx: yeah the db is a bit us/uk specific Jul 22 09:38:37 heh Jul 22 09:38:48 I got one of them to send me an SQL error Jul 22 09:39:01 I like the idea of running buffer overflow exploits on barcode readers :) Jul 22 09:39:06 haha Jul 22 09:39:45 ean14 would cause alot of buffer overflows in my code :) Jul 22 09:40:13 the barcode in question is: 4988602135084 Jul 22 09:40:16 Next step: rfid Jul 22 09:40:29 johnx > lol this could be fun :) Jul 22 09:40:47 maybe we can look to integrate an exploit Jul 22 09:41:04 with simple command line ... rm -rf :) Jul 22 09:42:17 johnx: you can submit codes at upcdatabase.com so the next db contains your items ;) Jul 22 09:43:36 I'd like to see a "search for this string with google" Jul 22 09:43:42 does tabletschool don't accept any comment ? or just mine ? Jul 22 09:44:23 johnx > add to mcalendar this event ... could be cool too :) Jul 22 09:44:59 Khertan_TheReal, does mcalendar listen for dbus messages? Jul 22 09:45:05 no :) Jul 22 09:45:14 maybe i should implement it Jul 22 09:45:22 this could not be very hard ... Jul 22 09:45:27 specially in python Jul 22 09:45:46 but at this time i don't see any interest ... :) Jul 22 09:48:32 johnx: if we get datamatrix working, we can do that Jul 22 09:48:40 encode urls / arbitrary text into barcodes Jul 22 09:48:44 will be awesome Jul 22 09:48:54 can make links as barcodes and print them and stick them to thing Jul 22 09:48:59 and scan them with n800 :P Jul 22 09:49:15 or just display text as barcodes on our n800 and have other n800s scan them :P Jul 22 09:57:22 rm_you > with the webcam ? Jul 22 09:57:50 yes Jul 22 09:58:12 someone have try ubuntu ume first release ? do u know what pim they use ? Jul 22 09:58:21 ~lart tosspot cow orkers Jul 22 09:58:21 * infobot drops a truckload of VAXen on tosspot cow orkers Jul 22 09:58:29 ~lart tosspot cow orkers Jul 22 09:58:45 * rm_you kills the tauren orkers Jul 22 09:59:59 johnx: SQL errors are normal I think? it means the resultset was zero rows... i think. maybe. Jul 22 10:00:05 <_< Jul 22 10:00:09 i have such a stream of not very nice language i could spout towards a certain individual :) Jul 22 10:00:10 i should go back and read my own code Jul 22 10:00:11 rm_you, ok Jul 22 10:00:14 just sayin' Jul 22 10:00:18 :P Jul 22 10:00:27 try scanning some of these on the screen Jul 22 10:00:43 http://www.upcdatabase.com/random_item.asp Jul 22 10:01:05 nooooo, the random item is not very worksafe Jul 22 10:01:12 lol Jul 22 10:01:17 better that way :P Jul 22 10:01:34 i can redirect any blame, and laugh :P Jul 22 10:01:41 it was random! Jul 22 10:02:08 lcuk: well, it is working nicely for anything in the database Jul 22 10:02:15 mind you, i think *cow orker* needs 00282387217 shoving up his backside Jul 22 10:02:16 now to work on amazon scraping later Jul 22 10:02:23 in a few days Jul 22 10:02:52 i hope to god thats a valid code and that its big and uncomfortable Jul 22 10:03:32 lol Jul 22 10:04:59 he might need some 0716770019486 Jul 22 10:05:04 * lcuk has a song about said worker but would be booted off freenode for singing it in channel :) Jul 22 10:05:28 oi Jul 22 10:05:30 lol i havent got the code lookup here Jul 22 10:05:39 not you crashanddie :) Jul 22 10:06:04 to go with his 0033171203994 Jul 22 10:06:04 :P Jul 22 10:06:05 how y'all doing ? Jul 22 10:06:11 lcuk, implementing file transfer Jul 22 10:06:40 lcuk: get your video client/server in testing yet? :P Jul 22 10:06:45 that should be fun to test Jul 22 10:06:46 i was havin a great mornin until warshat for brains got in my way Jul 22 10:07:02 $ ./sw_client -h 192.168.0.20 -p 32001 -l whatismyip.com Jul 22 10:07:04 :D Jul 22 10:07:18 crashanddie, :) excelleent Jul 22 10:07:23 lol? Jul 22 10:07:26 rm_you, :) yes, it will be fun Jul 22 10:08:17 * lcuk will finish the protocol and server tonight - theres more than just raw images required Jul 22 10:08:27 this item concerns me: 0022333462782 Jul 22 10:08:31 * lcuk still doesnt know how to create accounts and have security Jul 22 10:08:54 i dont want someone spoofing rm_you with a live goatse Jul 22 10:09:02 lol Jul 22 10:10:16 * lcuk ponders compression Jul 22 10:10:21 lcuk: i think you should divert your attention briefly to the datamatrix code :P Jul 22 10:10:22 where should I store temp files on the NIT ? Jul 22 10:10:31 lcuk: or maybe after you finish that :P Jul 22 10:10:36 /tmp Jul 22 10:10:38 crashanddie: /tmp/ ? :P Jul 22 10:10:55 rm_you, square barcodes will get attention from me when i see them in more places than the internet Jul 22 10:11:02 lcuk: lol Jul 22 10:11:07 QR is all over the place in japan Jul 22 10:11:08 but Jul 22 10:11:16 datamatrix is useful for other things Jul 22 10:11:17 am i in japan? Jul 22 10:11:27 datamatrix is useful for US to PLAY WITH! :P Jul 22 10:11:29 * lcuk might be actually Jul 22 10:11:30 and it is so close Jul 22 10:11:40 then get it working, its your baby Jul 22 10:11:43 lcuk, you could be ... if ... the Price is Riiiight! Jul 22 10:11:45 there's not enough space on /tmp Jul 22 10:11:46 i bet you could make datamatrix support work in less than 30 minutes Jul 22 10:12:03 I am not into imaging, i have no idea what is going on Jul 22 10:12:07 crashanddie, use ummmm /var then - aint that for files like that Jul 22 10:12:10 or C internal structures >_> Jul 22 10:12:22 crashanddie: /media/mmc1/ ? Jul 22 10:12:24 crashanddie: /media/mmc2/ ? Jul 22 10:12:26 or c code Jul 22 10:12:31 or c compilaiton Jul 22 10:12:33 lol Jul 22 10:12:43 I can do the compilation mostly :P Jul 22 10:12:50 lets face it, if c was like php or python you would be happy wouldnt ya :P Jul 22 10:12:56 the more I use C the more I hate it Jul 22 10:13:00 but yes. Jul 22 10:13:06 /Var/tmp is non-ephemeral tmp usually Jul 22 10:14:07 crashanddie, you already have your own branch /var/crash Jul 22 10:14:30 but you really want /var/cache Jul 22 10:14:49 or direct to destination Jul 22 10:15:05 bbl, sleep :P Jul 22 10:15:25 cya later Jul 22 10:15:27 in other news Jul 22 10:15:31 my skin is peeling off Jul 22 10:15:44 what exciting news Jul 22 10:15:47 ewww gross Jul 22 10:16:07 crashanddie, that's what you get for being out under the terrifying day star Jul 22 10:16:10 too much information Jul 22 10:16:17 Join the club Jul 22 10:16:25 Hi all. This was probably brought up a number of times, but here it goes: My n810 doesn't turn on (even with fridge technique). Flashing sequence is stuck at "Suitable USB device not found" (no usb hub). Tried some alternative switches to the command-line, but no luck. Any advices? Jul 22 10:16:57 forget the command line: does it turn on normally? Jul 22 10:17:09 glezos, well the good news is the freezer-hack thing only applies to the n800 as far as I know Jul 22 10:17:09 you are confuddling 2 different things Jul 22 10:17:28 and putting it in the fridge cant help that much can it? unless proximity to the milk helps Jul 22 10:17:34 lcuk: no, it doesn't Jul 22 10:17:37 If it doesn't turn on at all, the flasher isn't going to get anywhere :) Jul 22 10:17:44 then RMA it and let nokia help Jul 22 10:17:53 lcuk, it was a specific issue related to some timing issue with the n800 AFAIK Jul 22 10:17:57 the device was released less than a year ago, you have warranty Jul 22 10:18:07 this is 810 though Jul 22 10:18:14 XTLi: yeah, I figured that out. It was working properly before GUADEC, and when it was turned off, it never came alive again. Jul 22 10:18:27 try a replacement battery Jul 22 10:18:59 lcuk: will do that. Jul 22 10:19:20 but i think fridges and voodoo magic wont help Jul 22 10:19:48 Does it react in any way when the charger is plugged in? Jul 22 10:20:18 a little voice inside the 810 goes "owwwww, warm that bloody thing up before you stick it in there" Jul 22 10:20:38 You can try the battery but there's propably not much else to do Jul 22 10:21:05 "theyr gonna make me go to recall, i said no no no" Jul 22 10:21:23 * ccooke wonders what a sprint review is Jul 22 10:22:19 XTLi: yes, the screen flashes a few times with "NOKIA" on it Jul 22 10:22:37 n810 has two years warranty Jul 22 10:22:57 This thread shows it might also be a charger problem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20696 Jul 22 10:23:13 glezos > are u sure that you are using the right command line for flashing it ? Jul 22 10:23:53 Khertan_TheReal: yeah, I don't think it's a flashing issue though. Jul 22 10:24:32 glezos, ok, you say it DOES turn on but doesnt boot up properly and goes off again almost immediately Jul 22 10:25:00 lcuk: right. Jul 22 10:25:00 which is of course different to it wont turn on at all Jul 22 10:25:05 ok, sorry Jul 22 10:25:17 lost in translation. :) Jul 22 10:25:33 do u see the screen with two hands ? Jul 22 10:25:49 deffo try to get a different fully charged battery or try an alternative nokia charger Jul 22 10:26:04 Khertan_TheReal: no Jul 22 10:26:30 lcuk: yeah, that's what i was thinking as well. Jul 22 10:28:00 thank you guys Jul 22 10:41:20 muhahaha. now i can build apps which work on my Jailbroken iPod 2.0... for free. Jul 22 10:41:35 actually, now i don't have a clue what to make so it's pretty much useless Jul 22 10:41:38 oh well Jul 22 10:41:41 back to m NIT ;) Jul 22 10:42:21 You can ping localhost Jul 22 10:44:29 but can you telnet to 80? Jul 22 10:54:21 I guess I should put the wiki url in the title, but it's so long. . . . Jul 22 10:57:03 GAN800: for this evening's meeting? Jul 22 10:59:35 Yeah Jul 22 10:59:44 Since people don't know how to google 'maemo sprint' Jul 22 11:01:43 yawn Jul 22 11:03:59 2 "Thanks!" from 1,000 Jul 22 11:04:01 Then I can finally rest. Jul 22 11:04:52 Oh, it's tonight already Jul 22 11:05:12 GeneralAntilles, that title is a bit short, care to make it a bit longer? Jul 22 11:06:02 You mean topic? Jul 22 11:06:28 you say potato Jul 22 11:07:19 lcuk, how does "Sprint review today @ 1900 UTC in #maemo-meeting https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 | bugs.maemo.org meeting after the sprint | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | lcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksuxlcuksu Jul 22 11:07:40 coool, thanks GeneralAntilles, ill remember that Jul 22 11:08:29 Ahaha. This is so what my hair looks like right now (just having gotten out of bed): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Karadic_mainpage.jpg Jul 22 11:09:31 also known as "Pili trianguli et canaliculi" Jul 22 11:13:29 someone have tryed the first Ubuntu UME Release ? and see what pim they use ? Jul 22 11:15:47 lcuk, file transfer completed Jul 22 11:16:12 it took since last night to transfer 1 tiny file :P Jul 22 11:16:17 people arent gonna accept that Jul 22 11:17:18 lcuk, shove it Jul 22 11:17:35 i gather this is the windows pusher and a maemo daemon? Jul 22 11:17:54 linux pusher Jul 22 11:17:59 I don't care about windows Jul 22 11:18:02 *yawn* Jul 22 11:18:12 mornin jott Jul 22 11:18:14 ah right maemo meeting Jul 22 11:18:17 cool though Jul 22 11:18:35 lcuk, I'm really keeping the protocol extremely minimal Jul 22 11:18:50 Khertan_TheReal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ApplicationsOverview#mobile-applications-pimp Jul 22 11:18:56 "Here, have a file" Jul 22 11:19:22 does the desktop pusher get to choose any kind of location (like push to mmc or push to docs or push to favs? Jul 22 11:19:39 lcuk, unsigned int for transfer type (link or file), unsigned int for link/file size, content Jul 22 11:19:50 lcuk, not in this version, I'm doing everything on a temp file Jul 22 11:19:51 crashanddie: cat file.txt | netcat -p 1911 foo ? ;) Jul 22 11:20:01 anyone knows whether Quim hangs out on irc sometimes? Jul 22 11:20:12 eikke, sometimes Jul 22 11:20:17 eikke: he rushes in here from time to time Jul 22 11:20:19 eikke, yes he does but usually only when required. Jul 22 11:20:26 jott, yeah, that's about it Jul 22 11:20:32 ok, thanks Jul 22 11:20:33 hes like a superhero, dashing from scene to scene Jul 22 11:20:39 and he will attend to the maemo meeting today i guess Jul 22 11:20:58 jott, wouldn't cat struggle on binary files though ? Jul 22 11:21:07 speaking of superheros - jott are you gonna wear your costume at the summit? :P Jul 22 11:21:08 crashanddie: why should it? Jul 22 11:21:15 jott, dunno, just had that feeling Jul 22 11:22:01 * lcuk passes magic,content4cc,contentsize,contentdata Jul 22 11:22:04 crashanddie: there are arguments to break stuff, thats right ;) Jul 22 11:22:16 heh Jul 22 11:22:53 * lcuk randomly modifies cow orkers files Jul 22 11:24:52 * hrw plays with qemu Jul 22 11:24:54 lol Jul 22 11:25:02 I just got the "cow orkers" joke Jul 22 11:25:07 * crashanddie goes into hiding Jul 22 11:25:21 crashanddie: sent? Jul 22 11:25:33 hrw, wanted to ask a question, cover letter, yes or no ? Jul 22 11:25:44 hrw, and if yes, whom should I address it to ? Jul 22 11:26:42 * GeneralAntilles hopes the meeting is done in less than 4 hours. Jul 22 11:28:01 lol GeneralAntilles you dont have to stay for everything Jul 22 11:28:42 but he wants to have the last word ;p Jul 22 11:28:56 Gotta be here for the bugzilla meeting Jul 22 11:29:10 . . . and jott's thing. :D Jul 22 11:29:30 Dark Knight in IMAX at 7:15 Jul 22 11:29:34 I'm excited. Jul 22 11:29:42 GeneralAntilles, at the end Jul 22 11:30:05 screw those *!# german cinemas, way too long to wait for this movie... Jul 22 11:30:18 best of all - they probably take this long to make a horrible dub Jul 22 11:30:20 GeneralAntilles, there's the thing with the guy and the dude Jul 22 11:30:29 Batman dies. Jul 22 11:30:50 with small child I do not remeber when last time I was in cinema Jul 22 11:31:00 GeneralAntilles: aw, you spoiled it Jul 22 11:31:19 hrw, what, no kid's movies? Jul 22 11:31:30 baby movie ;p Jul 22 11:31:32 aquatix, go watch it, no matter how many spoilers you've seen/heard Jul 22 11:31:44 GeneralAntilles: #define small "less then year" Jul 22 11:31:53 Stskeeps > so ... there is nothing done yet ... it s still in specifications process Jul 22 11:31:57 crashanddie: surprisingly, i read surprisingly few Jul 22 11:32:01 Ah, right. Jul 22 11:32:06 hrw, then you probably haven't seen a movie in about a year ? Jul 22 11:32:12 crashanddie: yeah, i should watch it i guess Jul 22 11:32:22 aquatix, heath is amazing Jul 22 11:32:47 I manage to avoid spoilers for movies pretty well, actually. Jul 22 11:32:49 hrw, answer to the questions above ? Jul 22 11:33:11 GA surfs the web with his eyes closed Jul 22 11:33:12 hrw, when are you going to do battle with fanoush's kid? ;) Jul 22 11:34:11 My computer summarizes everything I might want to read "Not a spoiler. Not a spoiler. Spoiler. Not a spoiler." Jul 22 11:34:31 Khertan_TheReal: some stuff is done Jul 22 11:34:49 Did you guys read that "Not a spoiler" on slashdot yesterday? It was pretty interesting stuff. :D Jul 22 11:34:50 anyone has some swf emulating a iphone interface or some "flash based UI"? Jul 22 11:34:55 crashanddie: last was February I think - when wife and daughter were in hospital. 'Jumper' was the movie Jul 22 11:35:38 hi mgedmin Jul 22 11:35:46 hi Jul 22 11:35:54 hrw, ha... in fact I was referring to the other questions :D should I send a cover letter, and if so, who will read it ? Jul 22 11:35:56 GeneralAntilles: ? Jul 22 11:36:14 Stskeeps > yes i m talking about pim apps Jul 22 11:36:20 GeneralAntilles: which of the 12? ;) Jul 22 11:36:22 crashanddie: someone in company will read. you can be 100% sure that it wont be me Jul 22 11:36:31 hrw, doing battle with fanoush's kid or my lame not-a-spoiler joke? Jul 22 11:36:38 battle GeneralAntilles Jul 22 11:36:59 Stskeeps > there is iphone's like keyboard in edje ... but don't know about it in swf Jul 22 11:37:22 hrw, fair enough Jul 22 11:37:31 hrw, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203891#post203891 Jul 22 11:44:23 http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2008072100135NWEM Jul 22 11:51:24 lol @ comments: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/wikipedia-tries-approval-system-to-reduce-vandalism-on-pages/ Jul 22 11:59:40 straNGE! i changed some skins for my xmms but the device memory is full now! (from 11 mb empty) Jul 22 11:59:55 Helo Jul 22 12:00:16 i rebooted it but didn't changed Jul 22 12:01:23 My usb hub powered is not recognized ;/ Jul 22 12:01:49 smyows what's ur app? Jul 22 12:01:50 To os2009 usb support must be impuved Jul 22 12:01:54 usb control? Jul 22 12:01:59 Yep Jul 22 12:02:01 HUH! Jul 22 12:02:11 try host and other parts too Jul 22 12:02:15 Is recognized but somtimes is, somtimes not Jul 22 12:02:21 smyows, there's a whitelist Jul 22 12:02:27 It may not be on it. Jul 22 12:02:32 Only in host works so so Jul 22 12:02:38 and there wont be an "OS2009" Jul 22 12:03:58 If i compile another kernel on sbox my hub and another usb devices works? Jul 22 12:04:06 Sorry my bad english Jul 22 12:06:46 * Jaffa sighs at the "Update to repositories" thread on ITT Jul 22 12:06:54 Ha Jul 22 12:07:09 It like a whole 'nother world of insanity that I can't get my head around. Jul 22 12:07:53 my xmms can't play songs! :( Jul 22 12:08:46 The most basic assumptions are so totally flawed that I'm not even sure where to begin trying to explain. Jul 22 12:09:46 GeneralAntilles do u have a job? Jul 22 12:10:02 I'm in school Jul 22 12:10:11 oh Jul 22 12:10:30 u are always 24/hour here for talk! Jul 22 12:10:41 Not really. Jul 22 12:10:50 I just keep odd hours so it appears that way Jul 22 12:11:01 ok! :D Jul 22 12:15:09 * GeneralAntilles notices new Nokia names in Bugzilla. Jul 22 12:15:17 andre__, gogogogogo! ;) Jul 22 12:15:21 ga: what school? Jul 22 12:15:35 heh Jul 22 12:15:58 GeneralAntilles: Where? Jul 22 12:16:03 RST38h, http://fsu.edu/ Jul 22 12:17:10 ga: cs?=) Jul 22 12:17:16 X-Fade, don't have any particular bug numbers in mind. Jul 22 12:17:20 RST38h, yes. Jul 22 12:24:18 I'm finally on Diablo, and seem to have the poor battery life bug as well. Jul 22 12:25:25 It was fully charged yesterday morning and has mostly been in offline mode the entire day and night. This morning, it was dead. Jul 22 12:30:17 which desktop applets are you using? Jul 22 12:30:17 mouser- > what is installed on it ? Jul 22 12:38:42 How come updated canola plugins are in diablo extras but canola itself is not? Jul 22 12:40:08 It's in Extras-devel Jul 22 12:40:14 They're finishing up testing, I think. Jul 22 12:40:36 I would've waited until Canola was there before promoting the plugins, myself, though. Jul 22 12:40:46 As it just leads to dependency issues. Jul 22 12:42:14 The world is full of nonsense. Jul 22 12:43:05 its weird because you cant use plugins from extras without canola from extras devel Jul 22 12:44:47 also looks like personal menu package is broken and mc package has got a problem with ncurses dependency Jul 22 12:45:19 and onboard user can't still upload package to extras-devel ... but it s an other story Jul 22 12:45:21 :) Jul 22 12:45:55 anyone have any idea why my ssh server doesn Jul 22 12:45:56 khertan: I talked to canola guys Jul 22 12:46:07 anyone have any idea why my ssh server doesn't work :S I can connect it locally but not from remote pc Jul 22 12:46:10 i know ... :) Jul 22 12:46:18 khertan: looks like you can dput to extras non-free Jul 22 12:46:26 no no no ... Jul 22 12:46:28 ;) Jul 22 12:46:35 it s a free package ... Jul 22 12:46:52 so really ? i can directly upload to non free with scp ? Jul 22 12:47:09 Khertan_TheReal, why can't you upload from device? Jul 22 12:47:09 It would be nice if you could set some pinning priorities in appman Jul 22 12:47:10 Khertan_TheReal: why can't you upload a package to extras-devel from a device? It's just scp. Did you mean you can't build a source package yet cos you've not worked out how, did you mean you can't *sign* a package on the device because of no debsign/gnupg, or did you mean you can't generate a key on the device to sign with? Jul 22 12:47:29 GeneralAntilles > dpkg-buildpackage don't work Jul 22 12:47:30 Almost makes me want to pin by hand as repos pile up Jul 22 12:47:40 Jaffa > gnupg is available Jul 22 12:47:59 i can up ... i can do it with chinook repository with pypackager Jul 22 12:48:05 Khertan_TheReal: I know. I was asking you why you think you can't upload to extras-devel. Jul 22 12:48:24 but as source can't be rebuild with dpkg-buildpackage Jul 22 12:48:30 as it s not standart debian source Jul 22 12:48:48 Right, so it's nothing to do with the device. It's a limitation in PyPackager - that's different. Jul 22 12:49:04 and can't do it onboard as dpkg-buildpackage failed with a 'sh: bad signal 's'' Jul 22 12:49:04 Jaffa: he cant create a source package on the device Jul 22 12:49:33 XTLi, use fewer repos. Jul 22 12:49:35 Jaffa > yes the dev of pypackager sucks ! his application can't do real debian packages ! Jul 22 12:49:36 Jaffa: pypackager or not, he is still screwed, unfortunately Jul 22 12:49:42 :) Jul 22 12:49:43 RST38h: there's no reason one can't, though. It's a tarball with a debian/rules file and a .dsc. Jul 22 12:49:59 Jaffa > yes ... just some rules ... Jul 22 12:50:01 RST38h: or am I missing something Jul 22 12:50:16 Khertan: maybe you should just extend pypackager :) Jul 22 12:50:18 but i m not funny enought to build rules by hand Jul 22 12:50:41 Jaffa: it is not a plain tarball afaik, but close enough Jul 22 12:50:54 RST38h > it s what i m trying to do by trying to install dpkg-buildpackage Jul 22 12:51:11 Khertan_TheReal: the bad signal stuff is easy to fix.. Jul 22 12:51:19 jott > really ? Jul 22 12:51:25 how ? Jul 22 12:51:58 its a "kill" argument in one of the dh_ scripts Jul 22 12:52:03 debian/rules is a trivial Makefile which has to support about 4 targets. A script to create such a file should be relatively straightforward given a tree of stuff. Jul 22 12:52:08 jott ... yes ... one :) Jul 22 12:52:17 All the dh_* stuff is to help people, but it's not essential. Jul 22 12:52:34 * RST38h does have a cut down rules file Jul 22 12:52:50 Jaffa > yes i know Jul 22 12:53:02 Khertan_TheReal: i am not at home atm.. Jul 22 12:53:10 i cant remember on top of my head :/ Jul 22 12:53:13 unfortunately it is not clear which rules are safe to kework Jul 22 12:53:21 but it was fairly straight forward to see where it stops Jul 22 12:53:42 RST38h: if you control the structure of your project, you're probably best building it up from scratch; especially if it's Python based. Jul 22 12:54:12 Woo, more super-sized monospace HTML email spam on -users! Jul 22 12:54:13 mine is c Jul 22 12:54:43 GeneralAntilles > configure your server ... mine filter html email :) Jul 22 12:54:51 RST38h: autoconf-based? Jul 22 12:55:04 Khertan_TheReal, gmail webmail at the moment Jul 22 12:55:10 Khertan_TheReal: and it's just a s/-s FOO/-FOO/ Jul 22 12:55:27 as busybox kill does not understand -s SIGNAL Jul 22 12:55:27 jott > thx i ll try to look Jul 22 12:55:42 GeneralAntilles > gmail can read mail on other server ... :) Jul 22 12:55:48 Well, at least he's polite: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-July/022035.html Jul 22 12:55:57 Khertan_TheReal: None that I didn't use before. The gpe PIM summary, rss reader (with autoscroll disabled) and another one Jul 22 12:56:18 hum ... and the other one is ? Jul 22 12:56:33 but I do control it myself because deb packaging is just a kludge on top of existing project Jul 22 12:56:51 Jaffa: no autoconf. no automake. Jul 22 12:57:12 compiles just fine without them Jul 22 12:58:25 more i understand how debian package work and are built more i found this too much complicated... Jul 22 12:59:08 and i m surprised that there is so many applications packaged ... :) Jul 22 12:59:30 Khertan: so is a lot of things designed by people who just like designing stuff Jul 22 12:59:30 lots of maintainers ;) Jul 22 12:59:35 Khertan_TheReal: debian packaging is easy. Jul 22 13:00:02 Khertan_TheReal: building for maemo is less due to scratchbox and lack of native building Jul 22 13:00:37 building for maemo is dead easy with sb2 Jul 22 13:00:40 actually building debian packages in scratchbox is fairly easy too .. ;) Jul 22 13:01:24 From the pkg front, yes Jul 22 13:01:47 Maybe even easier than building on the system you actually use Jul 22 13:01:51 sb1 does suck though especially if you use autoconf as maemo tutorials suggest Jul 22 13:02:04 Pull in deps as you need etc Jul 22 13:02:31 RST38h: tutorials... Jul 22 13:02:39 there is exactly one tutorial (hello world) that shows building without autoconf Jul 22 13:02:43 But sw dev/port itself might have some extra trickiness Jul 22 13:02:51 * jott never had real problems with scratchbox, just with gcc 3.4.4... Jul 22 13:03:01 I would like to see clean tutorials, not that 'how to port glade based app to hildon' Jul 22 13:03:05 Horror Jul 22 13:03:09 a lot of people miss it though and go for maemopad example Jul 22 13:03:48 and I would like to get normal sdk instead of scratchbox Jul 22 13:04:04 with normal cross-compiler + libs/headers Jul 22 13:04:11 just like Poky does Jul 22 13:04:29 true Jul 22 13:04:38 sb2 is close to that though Jul 22 13:05:09 prepend everything with sb2 and forget that you are not building natively Jul 22 13:05:10 I do not want to use "sb2 something" but just something Jul 22 13:05:16 Exist config.gz on maemo kernel? Jul 22 13:05:18 sb2 ls Jul 22 13:05:20 I understand Jul 22 13:05:43 but this you can avoid with aliases and a few makefile rules Jul 22 13:05:48 "sb2 cd source;sb2 vi configure.ac;sb2 ./configure --options-misc;sb2 make"? Jul 22 13:06:17 you only need to run sb2 in front of ./configure and make in that example, IIRC Jul 22 13:06:21 I'd do the vi without sb2 Jul 22 13:06:29 and I doubt it will work with cd Jul 22 13:06:45 can you sb2 apt-get install anything these days? Jul 22 13:06:47 hrw: sb2 sh :) Jul 22 13:06:51 iirc it used not to work Jul 22 13:06:58 RST38h: and "sb2 sb2 sh" Jul 22 13:07:09 I think apt-get works Jul 22 13:07:18 hrw: wont work Jul 22 13:07:27 maemo.org is down? Jul 22 13:07:34 RST38h: why? you just told me 'prepend everything with sb2' ;( Jul 22 13:07:41 not clear why you would want to run apt-get though Jul 22 13:07:55 hrw: but NOT twice:) Jul 22 13:08:00 RST38h: apt-get install foo-dev Jul 22 13:08:15 just working slower than life, i guess Jul 22 13:08:24 jott: ok, valid Jul 22 13:08:27 mikkov_: get used to it ;) Jul 22 13:08:42 RST38h: "apt-get upgrade" to get chinook->diablo Jul 22 13:09:13 hrw: I do not think sb2 guys have diablo rootstrap yet Jul 22 13:10:00 RST38h: in normal world rootfs can be built from packages... Jul 22 13:10:27 Well, we are in the Nokia world Jul 22 13:10:42 so be thankful it is not s60 Jul 22 13:10:48 hah Jul 22 13:11:37 with s60 situation is more clear - platform is closed Jul 22 13:12:27 well lgpl implies closed platforms too.. Jul 22 13:13:05 * jott stabs closed platforms Jul 22 13:15:03 maemo is not open either Jul 22 13:16:02 and you should get used to the fact that no established company will make its platform open in Gpl sense Jul 22 13:16:13 they aint stupid Jul 22 13:19:12 * Khertan_TheReal is thinking of option he have : making his own repository (--) / fix pypackager and be able to upload new package in december, mean that mCalendar ll not be updated during this time (----) / made his own application manager/updater with his own packaging system (can be build in one month) but problem with .deb package depandancies (---) Jul 22 13:19:37 I would go with #2 Jul 22 13:19:51 although #1 sounds tempting Jul 22 13:20:11 any other option ? Jul 22 13:20:50 ask someone else to make a package for mcalendar? Jul 22 13:21:03 johnx > :) Jul 22 13:21:09 and pygtkeditor Jul 22 13:21:15 and homeip Jul 22 13:21:21 and homethings* Jul 22 13:21:21 aren't python apps pretty simple to package? Jul 22 13:21:36 there are ... when dpkg-buildpackage can be installed Jul 22 13:21:39 :) Jul 22 13:21:43 It[ is possible to use the make menuconfig on sbox? Jul 22 13:21:50 just make dpkg-buildpackage work ;) Jul 22 13:21:55 hum... Jul 22 13:22:08 Khertan_TheReal, why can't you use scratchbox at all? Jul 22 13:22:08 btw are python-hildondesktop and hildondesktop-python-loader nokia supported? Jul 22 13:22:19 or get rid of busybox on maemo ;) Jul 22 13:22:20 smyows, yes, with a little hack. google should give you the answer Jul 22 13:22:28 johnx > because it s not available on n810 :) Jul 22 13:22:35 johnx: thx Jul 22 13:22:47 Khertan_TheReal, and you don't have an x86 computer at all? Jul 22 13:23:00 johnx: and the kernel os2008 configuration? Jul 22 13:23:01 Jott > i ve tryed replace busybox ... and the result was to flash my tablet :) Jul 22 13:23:24 Quick survey: I'm (in my day job) mostly a java/.net guy. Are there _any_ mono applications for the devices so far? Otherwise I'd probably go for vala, but.. The docs were rather sparse last time I checked. Jul 22 13:23:27 make it proper *rolleyes* :P Jul 22 13:23:29 smyows, google kernel compile site:maemo.org Jul 22 13:23:32 johnx > i ve one ... but don't have the time to sit in front of it :) Jul 22 13:23:47 a nice small 4800 Jul 22 13:23:48 Khertan_TheReal, ssh Jul 22 13:23:49 + Jul 22 13:23:53 johnx: thx again Jul 22 13:24:01 johnx ... hum ... yes ... i m dumb ... Jul 22 13:24:04 smyows: kernel config is with kernel sources Jul 22 13:24:13 #4 ... ssh it ! Jul 22 13:24:24 my build box is thousands of miles away Jul 22 13:24:41 only a problem when the real owner wants to use it or takes it down for some reason :) Jul 22 13:24:44 thousands of miles, what's that in milliseconds of ssh latency? Jul 22 13:24:53 mgedmin, slightly painful Jul 22 13:25:02 workable though Jul 22 13:25:04 this ll be slow with data connection ... Jul 22 13:25:29 but ... just to use dpkg-buildpackage ... this could be a solution ... Jul 22 13:25:30 vi rules on slow connections Jul 22 13:25:38 Khertan_TheReal, use rsync to only push changes Jul 22 13:26:02 rsync ... is the way that i ve scratched my work last time ... :) Jul 22 13:26:12 but there is a gui for maemo now ... :) Jul 22 13:26:26 inverted src / dst :) Jul 22 13:26:31 ick Jul 22 13:26:37 tar is the one that messes with me O_o Jul 22 13:26:56 it's hilarious when you accidentally concatenate your mp3s :) Jul 22 13:27:27 * jott hands Khertan_TheReal a --dry-run Jul 22 13:28:45 http://manatlan.infogami.com/py2deb Jul 22 13:28:54 a great module for python :) Jul 22 13:33:22 who has xmms here? Jul 22 13:39:55 hum ... i m just discovered scribes... a great apps ! Jul 22 13:50:06 I use n800_defconfig or nokia_2420_defconfig for n800 os2008? Jul 22 13:51:05 hello Jul 22 13:51:58 smyows: think guide says nokia_2420_defconfig Jul 22 13:52:13 Khertan_TheReal XMMS? Jul 22 13:52:39 What is the diference about n800 and 2420 Jul 22 13:52:46 smyows: one works and the other doesnt :P Jul 22 13:52:58 Italodance: Iran? Jul 22 13:53:45 I was wondering if a N-serie device could be handy as calculator, like using a CAS and a numeric program like octave or scilab Jul 22 13:54:31 but I wasn't able to figure it out, I searched and found some reference to a request for a "light octave" but nothing of interest. Has anyone tried this? Jul 22 13:54:42 anddam: octave works on the n8x0 Jul 22 13:55:01 so das mathomatic Jul 22 13:55:27 and probably alot other open source CAS and numeric programs Jul 22 13:55:37 you can also run a TI emulator ;) Jul 22 13:55:45 jott: I was aiming at a 770 due to low price of used items, I see there os2008 HE and I read it is an hybrid between os2006 binaries and os2008 structure Jul 22 13:55:55 anddam YEs Jul 22 13:56:34 anddam: yeah well, the 770 is slower (in particular due to missing vfp much slower for floating point operations) and has less memory Jul 22 13:56:37 actually I'm already owning and using a TI89 and I was wondering if a more modern device (backlight, wifi, screen, linux with its possibilities) can replace it in doing math Jul 22 13:56:38 Italodance > XMMS ? Jul 22 13:56:43 still, most basic stuff should work Jul 22 13:57:00 anddam: really depends on what you are aiming at.. Jul 22 13:57:09 jott: can you explain me what the difference between HE and standard are? Jul 22 13:57:16 i guess solving highly non-linear pdes will not be much fun on a 770 ;) Jul 22 13:57:24 Khertan_TheReal ok yes XMMS is a great app,agree with u,i like winamp Jul 22 13:57:45 i never said that ... i hate xmms and winamp ... Jul 22 13:57:54 i m talking about scribes Jul 22 13:58:00 anddam: HE are hacker editions (not really officially supported) Jul 22 13:58:13 but with more modern system components Jul 22 13:58:16 Khertan_TheReal lol Jul 22 13:58:25 jott: nothing heavy, basic calculations, some matrix elaboration, some graph Jul 22 13:58:36 otoh, if you just want to run some CAS you might be fine with OS2005/06 Jul 22 13:58:57 jott: obviously having a full system on background offers much more using some programming language with numeric package Jul 22 13:59:14 hi there Jul 22 13:59:37 jott: it's still a thought, I'm getting infos Jul 22 13:59:47 jott: obviously there's the geeky factor too Jul 22 13:59:56 jott, are you named after that app? Jul 22 13:59:58 hehe i guess so Jul 22 14:00:01 binky: no :* Jul 22 14:00:03 :( Jul 22 14:00:14 lol, ok Jul 22 14:00:18 * jott curses jott.com Jul 22 14:00:53 THAT was what I meant Jul 22 14:00:58 jott: and card size limit for 770 is 2gb, right? Jul 22 14:01:12 anddam: not sure. i never had a 770... Jul 22 14:01:19 I believe, but you still can install the fanoush kernel for supporting SDHC Jul 22 14:01:41 binky: me? Jul 22 14:01:55 ah yes, I see Jul 22 14:02:20 sure, you. It's my firs time on IRC and I don't know how to get that little message with the name of the person who is supposed to be sent Jul 22 14:02:33 anddam: just try to find out what cas/numeric program you want to use. Jul 22 14:02:46 binky: just type the name :) Jul 22 14:02:48 or you have just to type it? Jul 22 14:02:52 ah... I see Jul 22 14:03:04 thank you... Jul 22 14:03:05 anddam: then we might can tell you if it runs on a n8x0 or 770... Jul 22 14:03:06 you can type the first few chars and tap to complete even Jul 22 14:03:21 scilab? Jul 22 14:03:33 I'd feel like in terminal then... Jul 22 14:03:46 aquatix: cool... thanks Jul 22 14:03:55 anddam: hmmm.. might be on the edge i guess.. Jul 22 14:04:10 binky: tab completion precedes the use of the fire Jul 22 14:04:28 jott: I read something didn't work properly, like gnuplot, due to Hildon Jul 22 14:04:38 jott: or better due to the fact that it didn't use Hildon Jul 22 14:05:18 anddam: no its a normal x server running, so almost all stuff should "work" without modifications. Jul 22 14:05:28 anddam: its just not "integrated" Jul 22 14:05:50 (like the default onscreen keyboard can be an issue) Jul 22 14:06:06 and... I'd like to ask a thing, maybe the most stupid, but... how the hell do you enlarge the on-screen keyboard? Jul 22 14:06:24 * jott has a n810 - no need for an osk :) Jul 22 14:07:11 I still with an arcaic 770 :'( [Paypal donations are always appreciated, do I merit it?] Jul 22 14:07:30 jott: oh, how's the hw keyboard feeling? Jul 22 14:07:32 there is (for example) xkbd http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=65137 Jul 22 14:07:40 anddam: i like it. but some people don't Jul 22 14:07:56 i guess it's how you can get used to it... Jul 22 14:08:03 best would be to try it out in a store. Jul 22 14:08:18 (though it takes a while to get used to it - so the first impression might be inaccurate) Jul 22 14:08:52 can you type in a medium long text (say a long email) comfortably? Jul 22 14:08:56 jott: you know, I'm thinking in porting some apps... but I don't know programmin, what language should I learn? C++? Python? Ruby? Perl? I'd like to have Audacity, Jokosher or Rosegarden Jul 22 14:09:56 binky: well i guess python is not that bad for getting started. Jul 22 14:10:06 binky: Different apps are written in different languages - and not all apps will be suitable on a tablet with limited cpu power Jul 22 14:10:26 Python is a good start for the libs, but the tutprials aren't very good. Jul 22 14:11:08 I think C++ ftw, because It's structurated and should not be hard to begin. but it's a looong way until i can do something like that Jul 22 14:11:32 binky: have you already learned to program? Jul 22 14:12:00 ccooke: nope. Jul 22 14:12:01 binky: I wonder how useful Rosegarden would be.. Jul 22 14:12:10 binky, the "what language to start with" is about as old as computers are Jul 22 14:12:18 binky, and there isn't a real answer Jul 22 14:12:27 i compiled milkytracker for the device.. runs really good ;) Jul 22 14:12:30 crashanddie: or "what linux distro do I choose?" Jul 22 14:12:34 and has not that high Jul 22 14:12:38 binky: in that case... hmm. Given the set you mentioned, Ruby is probably the 'easiest' to learn Jul 22 14:12:40 "jack" footprint ;) Jul 22 14:12:48 and it's not a bad choice of first language (few are!) Jul 22 14:13:00 binky, my personal opinion would be to start with a not-too-heavily typed language (scraps a few), learn basic concepts, and then step up to a more serious language Jul 22 14:13:06 ccooke: Thn Jul 22 14:13:08 it's also similar enough in syntax to python that you can make the jump easily enough Jul 22 14:13:19 (note the fact that I imply that languages which are not typed suck) Jul 22 14:13:19 n Jul 22 14:13:20 are the ruby hildon bindings still maintained? Jul 22 14:13:37 Sorry, I can't erase... I meant, thank you lol Jul 22 14:13:45 GeneralAntilles: hum, isn't garage-bugzilla relevant to -developers Jul 22 14:14:15 jott: They looked to be, when I was looking. They can't be much worse than the python libs documentation-wise, though ;-) Jul 22 14:14:36 well gtk documentation in general sucks pretty much ;) Jul 22 14:14:47 (Much more interesting than 'which language should you start with' is 'Which *shouldn't* you start with' ;-) Jul 22 14:14:53 anddam: as a... sort of musician, (and now, Timidity++ is available) is one of the greatest things we could see in our ITs Jul 22 14:15:18 ccooke: that should be easier to answer??? Jul 22 14:15:37 binky: seen milkytracker? ;) Jul 22 14:15:47 not so much easier (although a few: COBOL, for instance *are* easy)... but a lot more fun. Jul 22 14:15:56 jott: I'm googling it, but webpage does not load Jul 22 14:16:02 For instance - I'd say nobody should *ever* start programming with php or perl :-) Jul 22 14:16:12 mh.. indeed Jul 22 14:16:14 jott: forget it, I'll look for screenshots Jul 22 14:16:14 seems to be down Jul 22 14:16:38 yeah images.google to the rescue ;) Jul 22 14:17:14 jott: looks great, it does support differents MIDI instruments, doesn't it? Jul 22 14:17:35 binky: actually its a classical tracker with samples Jul 22 14:18:02 sp3000, website stuff is -community now. Jul 22 14:18:03 hm... is it in the garage or do you have a .deb? I'd like to give a try Jul 22 14:18:04 binky: so you can load pretty much every sound ;) Jul 22 14:18:16 i had a deb.... Jul 22 14:18:16 But, uh, yeah, there's probably some overlap. Jul 22 14:18:28 * jott looks under the pillows Jul 22 14:18:39 jott: how fast the response is? Jul 22 14:18:54 I mean, you press a key, how fast do you hear the sound? Jul 22 14:19:20 zap: its quite fast, its optimized for embedded use Jul 22 14:19:32 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21653 ah someone else also made a deb Jul 22 14:19:33 its not about embedded, it's about N8x0 Jul 22 14:20:03 Is the greatest thing since PyAno. I could record any sound for make it larger... maybe Ty could just add more keys and add my sounds... is he around here? Jul 22 14:20:12 zap: the n810 is an embedded architecture still Jul 22 14:20:14 I like the "Zap" button Jul 22 14:20:14 GAN800: if the developers of the relevant apps aren't involved, I don't see why anyone else should care Jul 22 14:20:36 i think i made 1-2 changes to have it accept rmb ... Jul 22 14:20:47 never tried the deb of pskosis Jul 22 14:20:51 psykosis Jul 22 14:20:54 sp3000, well, at this point most of them are on vacation. Jul 22 14:20:54 that is, maybe if it's in /really/ early stages it might be useful to limit discussion to the community-enabler-hackers circle Jul 22 14:21:03 but it's a nice app Jul 22 14:21:22 jott: OS2008 only... I can't try it. My 770 runs OS2006 U-_- Jul 22 14:21:33 I'm not trying to limit anything, but we're still in the technical planning stages atm. Jul 22 14:21:38 binky: should be still worth a try.. it just uses sdl Jul 22 14:22:01 bugzilla is a developer tool :) Jul 22 14:22:08 I'll do, but maybe dependencies will fail Jul 22 14:22:28 yeah --force-all ;p Jul 22 14:22:41 there are also some youtube tutorial videos Jul 22 14:22:51 (you can even paint a waveform ;) Jul 22 14:23:22 jott: Would be funny hear a loop of me doing "lalalal hey!, lalala hey!..." all the time...r Jul 22 14:23:56 many guys use load-applet? Jul 22 14:23:57 jott: dpkg -i --force-depends would work, no? Jul 22 14:24:14 binky: just try it ;) Jul 22 14:24:29 really - can't tell you Jul 22 14:24:55 GAN800: I don't care what box something belongs in, I care that the right people know about what's relevant to them Jul 22 14:25:33 sp3000, feel free to ping -developers. Jul 22 14:25:42 I'm not really able to at the moment. Jul 22 14:25:47 k Jul 22 14:26:10 also, if you can't thell, I get a rash whenever something is labelled "community" :) Jul 22 14:26:14 tell even Jul 22 14:26:27 PD: Anyone tried to donwload a large file, and IT says it's donwnloaded in less than a second. then you look, and there is a file with that name and 1 KB? Jul 22 14:26:34 Well, is maemo2midgard better? Jul 22 14:26:42 heh ;) Jul 22 14:27:01 binky: checked the files contents? Jul 22 14:27:07 My guess: HTML... Jul 22 14:27:08 * GAN800 is knee deep in an eMac mobo replacement. Jul 22 14:27:26 yes, it doesn't open. ? Jul 22 14:27:38 What doesn't open? Jul 22 14:27:42 less $file Jul 22 14:27:49 How can that fail? :) Jul 22 14:28:04 fsck ;O Jul 22 14:28:17 jott: installed sucesfully Jul 22 14:28:27 guenther: I'll give you the exact message, wait Jul 22 14:28:50 can I just tell dbus to launch a file, and it will try to open it based on Mime type ? Jul 22 14:29:43 COltrane_-_Love_Supreme --- 6 kB. I try to open and says "Imposible Abrir" what means "Impossible To Open" Jul 22 14:30:01 it says is a text/html file Jul 22 14:30:05 Don't double click it. Jul 22 14:30:09 crashanddie: dbus is an IPC system not a launcher ... Jul 22 14:30:12 Open it in a text editor. Jul 22 14:30:20 Aha, exactly my guess! :) Jul 22 14:30:29 jott, fair enough Jul 22 14:30:36 jott, does such a launcher exist ? Jul 22 14:30:42 What was the URL you tried to download? Jul 22 14:30:58 somthing from Rapidshare Jul 22 14:31:17 thanks for being as vague as possible, dude... Jul 22 14:31:25 he's not vague Jul 22 14:31:27 Complain to Rapidshare. Jul 22 14:31:46 binky, I'll bet the HTML file is something as a security check, or a 404 page Jul 22 14:31:53 crashanddie: Yes, he is. I asked for the URL. Not half of the doamin name only. Jul 22 14:32:15 guenther: Sorry ^^ It was... *searching* http://rapidshare.com/files/37812428/Coltrane_-_Love_Supreme.rar Is that what you were looking for? Jul 22 14:32:27 binky: yes :) Jul 22 14:32:41 crashanddie: A minute later, I downloaded it in my computer Jul 22 14:32:52 And how #maemo becomes an illegal link sharing service Jul 22 14:33:14 crashanddie: I prefer to download directly in my IT, because my 770 won't work with the USB cable Jul 22 14:33:28 binky, yeah, but you opened it with your browser on your computer, right ? Jul 22 14:33:30 binky: That is not the file. Despite it's name. Jul 22 14:33:39 TATAAAAA Jul 22 14:33:45 It IS a HTML page, that contains a link to the actual download. Jul 22 14:33:48 crashanddie: In record stores in my city there's only crappy pop, when I see something original that is worth, I buy it Jul 22 14:33:49 as I said :) Jul 22 14:33:59 :) Jul 22 14:34:12 * crashanddie does the happy penguin dance Jul 22 14:34:31 crashanddie: you are always right Jul 22 14:34:41 I know Jul 22 14:34:46 but thanks for confirming :) Jul 22 14:34:50 guenther: and why it donwloaded the HTML instead of the rar? Jul 22 14:35:02 because you told it to download the file? Jul 22 14:35:14 Just open the link in a browser. Jul 22 14:35:21 Don't mind the extension. Jul 22 14:35:25 It is irrelevant. Jul 22 14:35:39 It is an HTML page. With ads. Jul 22 14:35:45 GAN800: ook, I pushed the proposal mtg proposal at -dev Jul 22 14:35:48 And the link to the file you actually are after... Jul 22 14:36:24 I opened rapidshare in the 770, clicked on Free (^^) waited the period and clicked on download, as usual. I told to download a 75 MBs rar of relaxing jazz =P Jul 22 14:37:02 Good thing is, this channel is logged. And the logs indexed by google... Jul 22 14:37:06 crashanddie: there are some, run-mailcap is one of them and kfmclient is for kde, there is most likely something gnome specific.. Jul 22 14:37:24 Next time you forgot the link, just ask google for "maemo coltrane". ;-) Jul 22 14:37:57 I'm tempted to do ~coltrane is at http://rapidshare... Jul 22 14:39:19 crashanddie: gnome-open Jul 22 14:39:35 sorry, won't do that again... but you asked me for the link, so... Jul 22 14:39:38 jott, just found it :P Jul 22 14:40:14 binky: Heh, I didn't mean to complain. Jul 22 14:41:20 guenther: but is better to complain, I'd never learn then =P Jul 22 14:42:16 MilkyTracker rullz Jul 22 14:42:28 * zap listens to the Thraddash theme from sc2 Jul 22 14:42:34 yeah milkytracker is nice ;) Jul 22 14:42:52 i also showed it off at the linuxtag maemo booth ;) Jul 22 14:43:04 binky: Not a big deal... Jul 22 14:43:27 google for "the file hoster" instead of maemo... Lot of hits. Jul 22 14:43:43 but if you switch away from it, you're f*d :) Jul 22 14:44:16 Just keep in mind that IRC might be logged, before handing out your porn URLs... ;-) Jul 22 14:44:30 zap: http://outpo.st/milkytracker_0.90.80-1_armel.deb use my port Jul 22 14:44:34 its integrated ;) Jul 22 14:44:35 jott, you don't know of anything like gnome-open on the maemo platform ? Jul 22 14:44:39 i made it back in april :P Jul 22 14:44:44 it is "hildonized" ? :-) Jul 22 14:45:02 jott: why it's not in extras? Jul 22 14:45:05 Hildonise an SDL app? Jul 22 14:45:06 zap: yes.. atleast it integrates in the task manager Jul 22 14:45:12 zap: lazyness ;P Jul 22 14:45:28 i could probably push it there Jul 22 14:45:30 well when i get home Jul 22 14:45:44 guenther: in IRC is called pr0n Jul 22 14:46:18 jott: sorry, i installed milky tracker, but not tried it, I forget about... Jul 22 14:46:26 Nah, only by 1337 kiddies and early Mozilla devs. Jul 22 14:46:43 binky: no worries, it's up to you to use it or not ;) Jul 22 14:46:47 The GIF and JPEG lib was named libpr0n... Jul 22 14:48:00 guenther: we could make pornographic Unix? it could be called Linuxxx. ...Looks like I'm on drugs... Jul 22 14:48:23 there is already ascii pron ..... Jul 22 14:48:27 hehe Jul 22 14:48:32 jott: I click it, but does not boot it does not show "Loading Milkytracker" or anything Jul 22 14:48:48 binky: try to run it from the console Jul 22 14:48:49 Use the ao mplayer output... ;) Jul 22 14:49:09 binky: and the only milkytracker i tested is the one linked above ;P Jul 22 14:49:28 * jott writes a note that he has to push it into extras Jul 22 14:49:48 binky: Give me a copy of that distro plz Jul 22 14:49:53 milkytracker: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 22 14:50:19 binky: apt-get install libasound2 ? Jul 22 14:50:37 Lib asound should already be provided by the os Jul 22 14:50:43 qwerty12: here it is www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/ Jul 22 14:50:47 qwerty12: even os2005/06? :) Jul 22 14:51:07 binky: I want my Linuxxx! /me cries Jul 22 14:51:12 I was searching my stylus, I had it in my mouth... I feel idiot Jul 22 14:51:19 jott: Good point, never used 2005/06 :) Jul 22 14:51:28 * jott neither Jul 22 14:51:59 qwerty12 and jott : cool cats with their n8x0s.... Jul 22 14:52:29 * jott poses around Jul 22 14:52:32 with their ports of apps... their thousands of posts.... Jul 22 14:53:08 Temporary gailure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' D'oh! Jul 22 14:55:08 * qwerty12 feels like ripping apart my only xbox controller and shoving standard usb port on the end so I can connect to my N800. Fanoush has the module in his module pack Jul 22 14:55:47 * aquatix is thinking about using his wiimote for mouse pointer or something Jul 22 14:55:56 Bye, I liked so much, this channel, Is my first time with IRC =) Jul 22 14:56:09 binky: see you! Jul 22 14:56:13 meh Jul 22 14:58:15 So who wants to join me in making Linuxxx: Tux Strip edition? Jul 22 15:00:33 huhu ... there is a port of conky Jul 22 15:00:52 Tis was a half arsed compile put together by me :P Jul 22 15:01:14 lol ... i see that you have compiled qwerty12 Jul 22 15:01:21 arf ... not really surprised :) Jul 22 15:01:56 I actually made some improvements on it but it got deleted from my shift from AndLinux to Ubuntu :) Jul 22 15:02:01 this was just for fortune ? Jul 22 15:02:23 Nah, I liked the effect on my desktop, and I thought it would be nice on a tablet too Jul 22 15:02:37 Shame matchbox is a little dodgy :/ Jul 22 15:02:59 ? Jul 22 15:03:46 arg double buffer don't work ? Jul 22 15:04:06 I was messing around with a way to get it to draw on the desktop and be movable but matchbox only believes in one window at a time so it drawed it in some ugly white windows Jul 22 15:04:09 *window Jul 22 15:04:12 Nope :( Jul 22 15:06:21 hum ... Jul 22 15:09:04 qwerty12 > help your users : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19905&page=5 Jul 22 15:09:05 :) Jul 22 15:10:06 mrlanrat's website is up again and I did say it had to be installed in red pill mode :P (and no, I'm not shoving user/ in the section) Jul 22 15:10:39 * qwerty12 reminisces over that KDE picture and remembers how running KDE in a loopfs sucked. Jul 22 15:11:35 moo all Jul 22 15:12:05 * qwerty12 cuts RST38h and eats him. He says hi before that though. Jul 22 15:13:00 you should cook you meat before eating it Jul 22 15:14:03 Vhat iz diz cook u r on about? I eat raw. Jul 22 15:14:12 Stskeeps: Debian installer round 2 :P Jul 22 15:14:22 cannibal! Jul 22 15:14:38 Thanks, sp3000! Jul 22 15:14:48 * qwerty12 munches on a spare arm lying around Jul 22 15:15:03 Somehow, running kde sucked even without loopfs... Jul 22 15:15:08 it's slightly short notice though ;) Jul 22 15:15:19 qwerty: arm9 or arm11? Jul 22 15:15:37 sp3000, my other hope was that people interested enough would be paying attention to -community, the wiki and the sprints. Jul 22 15:15:57 RST38h: arm666 Jul 22 15:16:10 qwerty: and has it got jazelle?=) Jul 22 15:16:30 No, it's got flameinferno Jul 22 15:16:34 That's the CPU qwerty12 built with 2lbs of assorted resistors. Jul 22 15:17:04 neural design indeed Jul 22 15:17:05 I had some help from my friend and he wanted it named after himself... Jul 22 15:17:07 GeneralAntilles: dunno what the subscriber base of -community looks like, but I think it's more poeple interested in hacking on the community, less people hacking in the community Jul 22 15:17:17 qwerty12: k, still osso-xterm? i havent looked at it yet :P Jul 22 15:17:49 anyone here got a 770 with 2006OS? Jul 22 15:18:07 OS2006 sucks. :P Jul 22 15:18:19 Stskeeps: I'll head onto KotC's site and grab aterm & xvkbd Jul 22 15:18:40 indeed GeneralAntilles, but i need to find out what version of xserver it has Jul 22 15:18:58 Atarii: Go to the codename folder in the maemo repo's Jul 22 15:19:12 qwerty12: k, looking into it.. my xterm cant even backspace in shell in osso-xterm Jul 22 15:19:27 Atarii: For example, for diablo: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/x/xorg-server/ Jul 22 15:19:32 Stskeeps: :) Jul 22 15:19:42 qwerty12 good idea thanks :p Jul 22 15:19:46 * RST38h wonders if two passes through the same address in code indicate a busy loop wait Jul 22 15:20:00 given that all registers are the same Jul 22 15:23:52 bleh Jul 22 15:24:05 libhildonmime's documentation is virtually non-existent Jul 22 15:25:58 Woo, 1,000 Thanks! Jul 22 15:26:44 * qwerty12 presses remove button and makes it 999 :P Jul 22 15:26:58 For about 10 seconds because someone else presses it Jul 22 15:28:10 Hrm. It's time to put real pressure on Reggie for that "No Thanks!" button. Jul 22 15:28:21 Then I'll get -1,000 Jul 22 15:28:28 In two days. Jul 22 15:28:29 First on both ends! Jul 22 15:28:31 Woo! Jul 22 15:28:41 sjgadsby, I give it 8 hours. Jul 22 15:28:51 All the WFTs of the world will come pouring back in. Jul 22 15:29:18 qwerty12: got a six, sec Jul 22 15:29:20 fix Jul 22 15:29:57 Stskeeps: I haven't started yet, i'm installing xvkbd and aterm so I guess I got time :) Jul 22 15:30:37 qwerty12: svn up when time is of installer Jul 22 15:30:47 it has a backspace fix now, you can test using screen -c template-screenrc Jul 22 15:30:57 Great, can I checkout now? Jul 22 15:31:56 yeah, think so Jul 22 15:32:09 test template-screenrc first before installing ;) Jul 22 15:32:12 Good, because xvkbd crapped out on me in Diablo >.< Jul 22 15:32:42 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22141 <<< very funny ... Jul 22 15:33:05 the main problem is still between the chair and the screen ... Jul 22 15:33:36 Their ass? Jul 22 15:35:35 Stskeeps: Just out of question, is the first fat partition on the mmc mounted automatically? (I plan on making init script to swapon my .swap file so it's useful to know beforehand :)) Jul 22 15:36:11 Khertan_TheReal, I still can't wrap my head around that one. Jul 22 15:37:21 Khertan_TheReal, you get dpkg-buildpackage sorted? Jul 22 15:37:34 GeneralAntilles> yes by ssh ... Jul 22 15:37:46 mainly an temporary solution ... Jul 22 15:38:18 Ha Jul 22 15:38:19 Stskeeps: Hmm, fix doesn't seem to be working for me, got another program I can test with except for passwd? Jul 22 15:38:45 GeneralAntilles > i ll try a bit more ... with the repository for the sdk Jul 22 15:38:56 but i think i ll brick my n810 again :) Jul 22 15:40:54 Khertan_TheReal, bootable backup! Jul 22 15:41:42 qwerty12: not in debian mounted i think (mmc fat) Jul 22 15:42:13 Ta, I'll get it to mount that at /media/something too :) Jul 22 15:43:25 Stskeeps: Fix doesn't work, I just confirmed it at the mirror selection part. Unless you updated after I checked out :) Jul 22 15:43:51 Khertan, either that, or find a team of gullable minions with tablets and make them test for you. :P Jul 22 15:44:49 Nokia can probably tell you all you need to know about that strategy. *g* Jul 22 15:45:15 Ha Jul 22 15:45:30 qwerty12, how's the XChat with spell check going? Jul 22 15:45:37 qwerty12: blah :/ try with another term then Jul 22 15:46:04 GAN800: Made the packages but it won't do it :(. I plan on trying again sometime :/ Jul 22 15:46:10 Think I should file an enhancement request for a global spellcheck framework? Jul 22 15:46:26 What do they use on Linux? Jul 22 15:46:40 I'd like that :). Could be integrated into hildon-input-method. Jul 22 15:46:43 aspell, enchant iirc Jul 22 15:46:55 GeneralAntilles: aspell ispell myspell you name it ;) Jul 22 15:47:13 Somebody familiar with Linux spellcheck frameworks should probably file it. Jul 22 15:48:11 well i guess it might make more sense to push this on the upstream gtk front ... Jul 22 15:48:17 don't know about the situation there.. Jul 22 15:48:27 May be of interest: Royal mail are releasing their entire Postcode data for a govt 'competition' not 'free' but.... http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html#mail Jul 22 15:49:07 Haha, if address are included, this could make for some good knock down ginger... Jul 22 15:49:53 I think gtk has a spellcheck framework Jul 22 15:49:58 is it just not used on maemo? Jul 22 15:50:05 lbt: app idea: insert post code, provide driving directions. Jul 22 15:50:09 oh wait.. err Jul 22 15:50:12 already done. darn Jul 22 15:50:18 too late Jul 22 15:50:19 johnx: gtkspell? I'm sure that's seperate Jul 22 15:50:31 johnx, aspell ? Jul 22 15:50:42 MangoFusion: "public information" Jul 22 15:50:44 johnx, at least, I use aspell on my computer Jul 22 15:50:45 aspell is generic Jul 22 15:50:56 i dunno, but I seem to have spellchecking in every gtk app that works exactly the same... Jul 22 15:50:58 as in 'free' (or at least, paid for by taxes) Jul 22 15:51:02 qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3071 Jul 22 15:51:04 there has to be some abstraction/binding to gtk.. Jul 22 15:51:05 or is it actually a gnome thing? Jul 22 15:51:12 libsexy and gtkspell provides gtk spelling iirc Jul 22 15:51:27 qwerty12, that could be it then. I guess it's just commonly used... Jul 22 15:51:32 libsexy from the makers of libpr0n ? Jul 22 15:51:48 why is it I always happen to stride across the only libs that are not documented ? Djeezus Jul 22 15:51:48 Stskeeps: Hmm. Time for vte/osso-xterm changes me thinks... Jul 22 15:51:50 http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/data.html#ons Neigbourhood stats .... N800 screams loudly in high crime areas... Jul 22 15:52:25 jott: Hmm, what happens if I LD_PRELOAD libpr0n into my terminal? Jul 22 15:52:30 or keeps up a running commentary on house prices as you pass them... Jul 22 15:52:43 qwerty12: you pervert :P Jul 22 15:53:04 What have you got against my second name... :( :P Jul 22 15:53:24 qwerty12: try editing the templ screenrc to have that bind instead if the existing Jul 22 15:53:28 crashanddie: try developing a C++ app for hildon... that'll show you "not documented" Jul 22 15:53:50 lbt, thank you, I did, and I thought gtkmm was pretty well documented Jul 22 15:54:23 lbt, try to find any kind of info about libhildonmime :P Jul 22 15:54:29 I said hildon.... Jul 22 15:55:06 'use the source' crashanddie Jul 22 15:55:10 oh, wait. Jul 22 15:55:13 crashanddie: what are you exactly trying to do? Jul 22 15:55:36 qwerty12, just trying to find an easy way to load the default app for a given file Jul 22 15:55:52 qwerty12, basically, what I want is the behaviour of gnome-open myfile.txt Jul 22 15:56:04 lbt: Nearest hospital... automatic dial-in to arrange an appointment to cure IT addiction Jul 22 15:56:04 Arrgh, too much energy drinks. Made me too hyped. Jul 22 15:56:15 crashanddie: sounds a bit like that mime-open app Jul 22 15:56:28 what mime-open app ? Jul 22 15:57:29 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/38021?search_string=mime-open Jul 22 15:58:13 or just run-mailcap :p Jul 22 16:01:07 jott, mailcap is a PITA to configure first Jul 22 16:01:21 crashanddie: pfff :P Jul 22 16:01:25 whiner :P Jul 22 16:01:46 * GeneralAntilles is baffled by this light fixture. Jul 22 16:01:59 jott, feck off :P I asked you if there was something like it on maemo, you ignored :P Jul 22 16:02:41 i told you run-mailcap :) Jul 22 16:02:52 but i guess this mime-open is fine too Jul 22 16:03:05 What graphics processor does the N810 have in it? Jul 22 16:03:24 Sargun, nVidia 9800 Ultra x2 in SLI Jul 22 16:03:39 funny Jul 22 16:03:41 crashanddie: NOW you tell me Jul 22 16:03:49 me Jul 22 16:04:27 qwerty12, if you have any idea how to compile that app, I'd love it xD Jul 22 16:04:50 crashanddie: which app? :P. mime-open's already got a deb :) Jul 22 16:04:58 :/ Jul 22 16:04:59 qwerty12: any luck? Jul 22 16:05:20 Stskeeps: I'm trying again, I shall use the wonders of copy and paste :) Jul 22 16:06:22 with the change from bugs.maemo in templ screenrc? Jul 22 16:06:30 crashanddie, do it right. Jul 22 16:06:41 Stskeeps: Nah, can't be bothered :) Jul 22 16:06:47 k Jul 22 16:06:53 GeneralAntilles, ? Jul 22 16:07:00 GeneralAntilles, hanging myself ? Jul 22 16:07:10 That's one option, yes. Jul 22 16:07:21 It'd be more manly i you strangled yourself, though. Jul 22 16:07:24 ill include fix in svn then and hope it works:P Jul 22 16:07:26 crashanddie: If you do that, please leave your magic stuff in your will to me Jul 22 16:07:37 Somebody want to help my arrive at some sort of consensus here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition ? Jul 22 16:08:04 qwerty12, sadly, mime_open doesn't work :D Jul 22 16:08:37 Is this useful, crashanddie? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15194 Jul 22 16:08:48 crashanddie: >.<, what app are you trying to get to work? maemo gets sprung over dbus quite a bit :/ Jul 22 16:09:14 qwerty12, I just want to be able to open a god damned file, without caring about which program will open it Jul 22 16:09:27 GeneralAntilles, no, it's not Jul 22 16:09:44 Uh, isn't that exactly what that switchboard thing does, though? Jul 22 16:10:11 switchboard wants a list of applications it will open, crashanddie wants the system to figure it out itself Jul 22 16:10:24 because it already does... Jul 22 16:10:26 lol Jul 22 16:10:32 goodluckwiththat Jul 22 16:10:41 I mean, when you open a file in File Manager, it knows which program to use, right ? Jul 22 16:10:54 Scream at it really loudly. Jul 22 16:10:57 I bet that will work. Jul 22 16:11:15 crashanddie: It looks up defaults.list iirc Jul 22 16:11:24 qwerty12, I think the time-out is too short on mime_open... I get the banner "Images-Loading", but it dies too soon Jul 22 16:12:06 Hmm, if you are used to *really* long dbus-send commands, you can do it with that too... Jul 22 16:12:48 or map all files to being opened with a shell script Jul 22 16:12:54 then throw the logic in the shell script :) Jul 22 16:13:03 heh Jul 22 16:13:22 I have this open_url which works fine: http://slexy.org/view/s21OAr8ioG Jul 22 16:13:43 heh Jul 22 16:13:46 how to flash my new kernel an my modules into n800? Jul 22 16:13:56 when I started out this morning, I thought "how hard can it be ?" Jul 22 16:14:21 smyows, modules go in initfs, kernel gets flashed with flasher Jul 22 16:14:57 initfs is read only? Jul 22 16:15:11 You can remount rw in diablo Jul 22 16:15:33 But it's probably better to shove them in /lib/modules/ etc on the rootfs Jul 22 16:16:14 qwerty12, if he rebuilt all the base modules he probably needs them in initfs, right? Jul 22 16:16:14 hmm Jul 22 16:16:33 my new kernel size is 1676k Jul 22 16:16:42 is bigger to put on n800? Jul 22 16:17:28 johnx: Hmm, depends, for base modules, I would say you are right but for the extra ones, I'd put them in /lib/etc but I don't know what modules he compiled so I'm making assumptions :> Jul 22 16:18:15 qwerty12, I'm guessing too :) Jul 22 16:18:25 smyows, which is it? base modules or extra modules? Jul 22 16:18:59 so.. my modules is compiled with a new kernel config Jul 22 16:19:10 bye Jul 22 16:19:51 make modules_install, have installed the modules into /lib/modules/2.6...... Jul 22 16:20:03 in my sbox Jul 22 16:20:34 i ll copy to sd card and put in /lib/modules too? Jul 22 16:21:32 uhm...you need to have at least the same modules with the same name as those that are in initfs now in initfs Jul 22 16:22:07 hmm Jul 22 16:22:37 is possible to reflash kernel into n800? Jul 22 16:22:59 smyows, yes Jul 22 16:23:11 :D cool Jul 22 16:26:18 ym, shitty ati, graphics corruption. ctrl+alt+backspace for me :/ Jul 22 16:30:09 i try to move actual modules but is read only fs Jul 22 16:30:50 smyows, yes it is Jul 22 16:30:56 you need to remount it with rw Jul 22 16:31:00 hmm Jul 22 16:31:39 umount /dev/root ; mount -o rw /dev/root /mnt/initfs Jul 22 16:31:45 is it? Jul 22 16:31:54 hell no Jul 22 16:31:58 heh Jul 22 16:32:08 :P Jul 22 16:32:12 dsme will blow your tablet to bits :P Jul 22 16:32:15 dummy is a big problem Jul 22 16:32:23 mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs Jul 22 16:32:30 (ta hrw) Jul 22 16:32:31 uauhhuau Jul 22 16:32:40 thx Jul 22 16:33:27 lol Jul 22 16:33:50 if my kernel is wrong compiled is possible to reinstall os2008? Jul 22 16:33:59 smyows, of course Jul 22 16:34:04 Apple sent me a boilerplate "Here are the fucking support articles you fucking idiot" email in response to my "your stupid 'standards compliant' shit is no such thing" Jul 22 16:34:13 so, let's go Jul 22 16:35:48 flasher-3.0 -F --flash-only=initfs,kernel or something like that should sort you out if you fcuk up Jul 22 16:35:55 could anyone install http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/mime-open.deb and see if they can open a file ? Jul 22 16:35:59 qwerty12: Having ATI driver issues as well? Hrmpf.. Jul 22 16:36:44 wow, the gps on the n810 seriously sucks Jul 22 16:36:50 it still takes half a year to find a location Jul 22 16:37:14 qwerty12, my kernel have 1.7m , is bigger to reflash? Jul 22 16:37:14 zfigz, have you tried A-GPS ? Jul 22 16:37:15 Blafasel: Yeah :(. Run a screensaver and screen starts flickering like crazy. Can't see the enter password prompt and when I do enter it, everything's double and pixelated and I can't see anything. ctrl-alt-backspace made everything normal and of course, the xserver restarted :/ Jul 22 16:37:31 A-GPS didn't seem to work very well/. Jul 22 16:37:33 It was just a map Jul 22 16:37:44 zfigz, did you point at your current location ? Jul 22 16:38:15 qwerty12: I know the troubles.. Might even switch soon. Jul 22 16:38:16 hmm maybe i'll try installing it here again Jul 22 16:38:23 i just uninstalled it and it didn't seem to do much Jul 22 16:38:40 lol Jul 22 16:38:56 "3 different guys told me to use A-GPS, but I can't make it work, so it seriously sucks" Jul 22 16:39:04 zfigz: To my limited understanding the a/gps app just lets you (re)set the last fix point (which is updated with every fix afterwards) Jul 22 16:39:28 So I'd use both Maemo Mapper "and" A-GPS? Jul 22 16:39:43 Which in turn helps (if you have network access) to get a list of sats in view for your location -> speed increase Jul 22 16:39:55 zfigz, http://www.nokia.com/A41163987 Jul 22 16:40:09 In a way. You only start the app though if you moved far away from your last fix.. Jul 22 16:40:10 zfigz, just launch A-GPS, be connected to the internet, point to your location (roughly), start the GPS (be it Maemo Mapper or Map), and you'll get a fix within a minute Jul 22 16:40:19 a-gps sucks, it ate all my fries Jul 22 16:40:40 That bastard! Jul 22 16:40:41 all I was left with was a puddle of katsup Jul 22 16:40:50 my record from cold boot is 18 seconds using A-GPS Jul 22 16:40:55 * GeneralAntilles steels Proteous's katsup while he's not looking. Jul 22 16:40:59 * Proteous cries Jul 22 16:41:06 s/steels/steals/ Jul 22 16:41:09 lol Jul 22 16:41:13 so you need an internet connection eh? Jul 22 16:41:29 Sounds like a lolcat situation... Jul 22 16:41:32 zfigz: Exactly. wifi or packet data Jul 22 16:41:36 oh ok Jul 22 16:41:38 Steels might be fun, too, though Jul 22 16:41:41 so the gps is pretty faulty Jul 22 16:41:41 zfigz, yeah, amazing eh, on an internet tablet, who'd have thought of it Jul 22 16:41:44 Then you just have a puddle of cold metal. Jul 22 16:41:48 zfigz: Huh? Jul 22 16:42:00 You 'have' to have the internet to use the gps, right? Jul 22 16:42:03 No Jul 22 16:42:10 I love drinking Mercury. Jul 22 16:42:21 qwerty12, I prefer a good Jupiter Jul 22 16:42:31 crashanddie: I lik venus Jul 22 16:42:31 You have to have a connection for a-gps, packet data or wifi. Jul 22 16:42:32 i need to install kernel-diablo-flasher or fiasco-flasher Jul 22 16:42:38 apt-get -f install Jul 22 16:42:39 qwerty12, you lick Venus ? Jul 22 16:42:40 * GeneralAntilles should probably put together some notes for the Bugzilla meeting. Jul 22 16:42:46 when you are in range of known access points the GPS can use that to figure out what the nearby GPS sats are and get a fix faster Jul 22 16:42:50 crashanddie: hell yes Jul 22 16:46:00 eh Jul 22 16:46:04 gps still isn't working Jul 22 16:46:09 i think i'm just gonna trash it all Jul 22 16:46:22 Establishing GPS fix . . . . . . . . . . . forver Jul 22 16:46:23 Go outside Jul 22 16:46:25 maybe go outside Jul 22 16:46:33 lol Jul 22 16:46:37 You don't get fixes beneath a roof. Jul 22 16:46:38 Hello Jul 22 16:46:56 zfigz, you for real ? Or you just the same troll from the forums ? Jul 22 16:47:05 outside? i hate to go outside? nooooooooooo! Jul 22 16:47:08 *have Jul 22 16:47:19 MangoFusion, it worked :P Jul 22 16:47:22 FROM INSIDE MY FARADAY CAGE I CAN'T A GPS FIX WTF!!! THIS THING SUCKS" Jul 22 16:47:34 crashanddie, he's just a figment of your disturbed mind. Jul 22 16:48:01 GeneralAntilles, you know where you can figment my disturbed mind ? :D Jul 22 16:48:01 no troll here Jul 22 16:48:11 I'm not sure if it's a lot of people or just one person, but I keep seeing people telling me I have a disturbed mind on itT. Jul 22 16:48:23 My disturbed mind wonders who let the other personalities out. Jul 22 16:48:24 well, it's true Jul 22 16:48:43 My house really is a faraday cage Jul 22 16:48:47 It's all in your head... Jul 22 16:48:49 lead paint and plaster walls. Jul 22 16:49:11 so yeah... Jul 22 16:49:13 I open agps Jul 22 16:49:16 then maemo mapper Jul 22 16:49:17 and nothing Jul 22 16:49:25 OUTSIDE. Jul 22 16:49:37 I should go outside? Jul 22 16:49:50 No, stay inside Jul 22 16:49:54 outside is hot and no AC Jul 22 16:49:58 You don't want to go outside Jul 22 16:50:04 This is one of the rare times where gtfo literally applies :P Jul 22 16:50:12 * GeneralAntilles uses liqbase to take notes. Jul 22 16:50:15 Hear that luck? :P Jul 22 16:50:40 :) Jul 22 16:50:47 :/ my n800 is in loop Jul 22 16:50:49 is liqbase packaged? Jul 22 16:51:00 No Jul 22 16:51:05 eek, there actually is a luick too Jul 22 16:51:05 Nay, you have to unzip it yourself Jul 22 16:51:06 why not? O_o Jul 22 16:51:09 luck even Jul 22 16:51:25 lcuk! Jul 22 16:51:26 lol Jul 22 16:51:39 GNUton: People from the north have trouble using dpkg-buildpackage :P Jul 22 16:51:40 GNUton, because lcuk is a Linucks newb. ;) Jul 22 16:51:51 Leenucks Jul 22 16:51:57 Leesnuts Jul 22 16:51:59 qwerty12: ahha :) I think so Jul 22 16:52:07 leencuks teg Jul 22 16:52:28 Everybody laugh at lcuk's accent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI Jul 22 16:52:35 qwerty12, :) if its so easy please be my guest and show me how its done Jul 22 16:52:55 Me was laughing for a long time. I have the same accent, just a *lot* less Jul 22 16:52:57 GeneralAntilles: My accent is more funny!!! Jul 22 16:53:02 but you will first have to sort out the /install section of the makefile and decide where all the files are going Jul 22 16:53:16 Maybe, GNUton, but do you have any cool YouTube vids? :P Jul 22 16:53:17 lcuk: Give me your debian folder so far :P :) Jul 22 16:53:30 ok gimme a mo Jul 22 16:53:33 lcuk, ~/.liqbase Jul 22 16:53:44 GeneralAntilles: not yet.. you all are lucky!!! Jul 22 16:53:54 hi again Jul 22 16:53:56 not ~/_aqd or whatever it is. :P Jul 22 16:53:59 anyone around with a 770? Jul 22 16:54:10 * qwerty12 has an android vid, except I ain't speaking on it :P Jul 22 16:54:22 errrrr how do i checkout my own source? Jul 22 16:54:23 * GeneralAntilles spotted a qwerty12 in that one. Jul 22 16:54:29 JOKING Jul 22 16:54:30 svn checkout Jul 22 16:54:32 qwerty12: vid as in video ? Jul 22 16:54:40 anddam: yea Jul 22 16:54:47 yeah....still establishing gps fix Jul 22 16:54:55 my gps is whack Jul 22 16:55:54 lcuk: oh, it's in svn? I can check it out from here :) Jul 22 16:56:32 lcuk: where do you live? Jul 22 16:56:52 Somewhere where the people talk odd Jul 22 16:57:08 qwerty12, the /debian isnt in there Jul 22 16:57:20 I have a choice of going there or halifax this friday :/, oh will the torture of the dodgy voices neva end? :P Jul 22 16:57:42 im gonna regrab whats there, add the debian folder and put it back Jul 22 16:57:46 lcuk: ahh Jul 22 16:57:50 the current source isnt exactly in a perfect state Jul 22 16:58:13 does it build? Jul 22 16:58:24 manchester Jul 22 16:58:36 does it blend? Jul 22 16:58:40 lbt - yes but theres stuff in there im not happy with yet and will change Jul 22 16:58:43 lcuk: ok thanks Jul 22 16:58:54 so im not puttin it up till ive tested and am comfortable with Jul 22 16:59:09 branch! Jul 22 16:59:28 I was hoping to buid and use it tomorrow... Jul 22 16:59:28 GeneralAntilles: I think that he have a perfect english accent.. or not? Jul 22 16:59:33 That way you have the revision history at least. Jul 22 16:59:35 s/buid/build/ Jul 22 16:59:35 lbt meant: I was hoping to build and use it tomorrow... Jul 22 16:59:44 GNUton: ell no :P Jul 22 17:00:14 Blafasel, i have revision history anyway, nightlies go up into a private tar.gz :) Jul 22 17:00:36 now, lemme get this network connected and ill sort out for qwerty Jul 22 17:00:39 lcuk: Okay. Hard to diff those in a sensible way for me, but ;) Jul 22 17:01:08 qwerty12: no ? ok.. ok, so I hope that anyone of you never hear my accent!! I´m italian and my english accent is really orrible! Jul 22 17:01:09 :) ive got surprises planned and they arent exactly surprises if everyone is looking now are they Jul 22 17:01:36 gahhhh xchat popup baloons have gone mad Jul 22 17:01:47 lcuk: lets make them more mad Jul 22 17:01:48 lcuk: 1 Jul 22 17:01:50 lcuk: 2 Jul 22 17:01:52 lcuk: 3 Jul 22 17:01:53 :P Jul 22 17:02:03 they only pop when ive not got window to front you numpty Jul 22 17:02:10 asshat :P Jul 22 17:02:22 wannabe southernboy Jul 22 17:02:27 besides, it's been a while since I used libnotify :P Jul 22 17:02:49 although you are annoying me every few seconds by telling me its in svn and you will check it out Jul 22 17:03:29 see if that helps Jul 22 17:03:52 It didn't. I'm still here. Jul 22 17:04:07 lol Jul 22 17:04:16 qwerty12, where are you expecting the binary to go itno Jul 22 17:04:26 bleeeeh, why doesn't hildon_mime_open_file() work :'( Jul 22 17:04:44 What does 'Doesn't work' mean? Just curious. Jul 22 17:04:56 lcuk: no idea, I just wanna get the debian folder with the sources :/ so I can find out where the binary goes :/ Jul 22 17:05:05 directly into /use/bin or into its own folder somewhere? cos currently i have a /sh to start it Jul 22 17:05:11 Blafasel, the banner pops up, showing "APPNAME-Loading", but then the banner just dies Jul 22 17:05:24 qwerty12: Part of his problem(s) is figuring out where they SHOULD go, to my understanding at least. Jul 22 17:05:37 lcuk: oh, /usr is the norm so I guess I'd try there :) Jul 22 17:05:38 dpkg takes its input from the "make install" Jul 22 17:05:46 Blafasel: Yep, just realised >.< Jul 22 17:05:47 there is no make install section Jul 22 17:06:03 * lcuk runs from source folder Jul 22 17:06:04 I'll j00k one from another project :P Jul 22 17:06:34 hmm Jul 22 17:06:37 lcuk: ping Jul 22 17:06:40 time to light a fag Jul 22 17:06:40 the problem ive had is looking at other projects files are splattered around Jul 22 17:06:51 * crashanddie dusts off the blowtorch, and heads to the basement Jul 22 17:07:04 crashanddie, when you return you can pleassssssssssse help me Jul 22 17:07:11 lcuk: there is some problem with xsp..on my device.. Jul 22 17:07:50 lcuk, I can try Jul 22 17:07:50 lcuk: u got any idea, how to enable xsp extension.. Jul 22 17:08:16 lcuk: I'll see what I can do as far as the install stuff goes. I'll see if I can make an quick sudoers file too. Jul 22 17:08:16 it should be enabled by default from what i recall? Jul 22 17:08:30 qwerty12, :) bonus gimme 2 then Jul 22 17:09:02 Just waiting for the debian folder to show up :) Jul 22 17:09:19 i checked xorg-xserver build configuration..its --disable-xsp in kernel flags.. Jul 22 17:09:23 qwerty12, you running diablo ? Jul 22 17:09:31 crashanddie: yeah Jul 22 17:09:40 lcuk, read up on POSIX. :P Jul 22 17:09:59 yes GeneralAntilles, that helps me when people are clamoring for things Jul 22 17:10:04 so how exactly do i get maemo mapper and a gps to work ? Jul 22 17:10:13 * lcuk stops for 6 months to read a few books and become one with unix Jul 22 17:10:19 The POSIX filesystem specs will be a good starting point Jul 22 17:10:25 lcuk: ? Jul 22 17:10:51 madhav, gimme a minute here please Jul 22 17:11:03 qwerty12, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt) Jul 22 17:11:19 lcuk, you still on chinook ? Jul 22 17:11:28 yes Jul 22 17:11:29 I would love to try but I'm currently installing debian atm :/. CPU = 100% Jul 22 17:11:39 qwerty12, hmm, ok Jul 22 17:11:59 lcuk, can you do what I just told q to do ? Jul 22 17:12:14 wikipedia had an article that I can't find now. :\ Jul 22 17:12:21 crashanddie, which is? Jul 22 17:12:35 lcuk, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt) Jul 22 17:12:49 madhav: in diablo xorg-server, it's set to --enable-xsp Jul 22 17:12:51 Ah, there it is. Jul 22 17:12:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard Jul 22 17:13:02 crashanddie, i can as soon as i push this update to svn for qwerty Jul 22 17:13:10 k Jul 22 17:14:18 Hi everybody, I would like to install debian on my nokia 770, but I can't find it on linserver.no-ip.biz no more. What would be the best resource to learn how to install debian on a N770? Jul 22 17:14:57 OK, miscellaneous bugzilla stuff Jul 22 17:15:04 Bug Jar and the new wiki plugin Jul 22 17:15:08 Triaging guide Jul 22 17:15:10 Or is there a howto to install it with debootstrap? Jul 22 17:15:13 zanshin: well, we've started a debian for nit tablets project in general and if you want to play guneia pig and help out with getting it working for 770 too, you're welcome :) http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian Jul 22 17:15:18 ok Jul 22 17:15:20 Guided submission form for people without canconfirm Jul 22 17:15:27 I know I'm missing a bunch of stuff. . . . Jul 22 17:15:30 as long as i havent ballsed anything up i think i am updating svn Jul 22 17:15:52 GeneralAntilles, is that the list for the discussion later on ? Jul 22 17:15:58 Yes Jul 22 17:16:11 Mostly just notes for stuff we need to hit Jul 22 17:16:13 Stskeeps: Ok I'll have a look Jul 22 17:16:34 craptastic. im gonna get the laptop setup for scratch-frikkin-box :) Jul 22 17:16:37 It's more of an informal get together Jul 22 17:16:50 theres a few "extra" files in the debian folder Jul 22 17:16:52 We're sorta failing at having all the right people together in the same place otherwise. Jul 22 17:16:56 i believe they would be temp files Jul 22 17:17:36 Stskeeps: I read it shout be possible to use debian for 880, but that one doesn'y boot. I got multiboot working but it hangs on boot. Jul 22 17:17:44 880? Jul 22 17:17:51 8x0 Jul 22 17:18:24 yes :) sorry Jul 22 17:18:46 zanshin: i think we require fanoush's initfs atleast (referred to on page), and then we can see what happens :P Jul 22 17:18:46 nice! Jul 22 17:19:02 Got that :) Jul 22 17:19:02 lcuk: enjoy. remember to do the vdso and mmap fix if installing on ubuntu hard Jul 22 17:19:08 Is there any trick to getting Maemo Mapper and A GPS to work? Jul 22 17:19:09 ive just been sent an email with >1000 names details and credit card stuff Jul 22 17:19:27 lcuk, awesome ! Jul 22 17:19:30 lcukm lucky you Jul 22 17:19:30 lcuk, slexy it ! Jul 22 17:19:31 zanshin: also having SSH access to your tablet is a basic thing since it's hell to do it on stylus keyboard :P Jul 22 17:19:42 :) yep Jul 22 17:19:56 lcuk: I see the debian folder, safe for checking out? Jul 22 17:20:09 yer i cant wipe the crap out of it Jul 22 17:20:10 what OS version do you have on the tablet, zanshin? and can the 770 handle 2gb SD? Jul 22 17:20:24 * lcuk makes a mental note to do things properly next time Jul 22 17:20:52 qwerty12, join the project and you can reupload if you manage to get it working Jul 22 17:21:18 lcuk: If I do manage to get it working, I'll just tar.gz my changes :) Jul 22 17:21:26 Stskeeps: Do you know how th initfs exactly works. When I checked debian for 8x0 there were no kernels in /boot so gues it takes it's kernel to boot from somewhere else. Jul 22 17:21:38 qwerty12, :) ok cheers Jul 22 17:22:30 zanshin: it uses same kernel as the existing OS, - it loads kernel first, then code in initfs and then through voodoo executes /sbin/init like a kernel would on the partition it boots Jul 22 17:22:34 crashanddie, loaded notes but then said "unable to open" Jul 22 17:22:58 lcuk, did you give it a real file ? Jul 22 17:23:09 lcuk: just out of question, ever tried using the vfp, march, mtune optimisations or didn't it have no effect? Jul 22 17:23:41 i tried lots of things back when starting but -O3 was plenty Jul 22 17:23:53 cool, just wondering :) Jul 22 17:23:56 and it was also the fastest Jul 22 17:24:24 not sure whether i tried *every* combination, but i got over 25fps and can drop ~ 100 lines of text on screen Jul 22 17:24:32 draw^ Jul 22 17:24:47 qwerty12, if i specify the full path to the file it opens Jul 22 17:24:52 but using local path it fails Jul 22 17:24:58 s/qwerty12/crashanddie :) Jul 22 17:25:00 damn, not qwerty12 i meant crashanddie Jul 22 17:25:04 lol yer Jul 22 17:25:12 lcuk, ok, great Jul 22 17:25:15 Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc1# ./hildon-open dmesg.txt Jul 22 17:25:15 Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc1# ./hildon-open /media/mmc1/dmesg.txt Jul 22 17:25:21 first one failed, second one worked Jul 22 17:25:34 lcuk, ok, thanks Jul 22 17:25:44 lcuk: Pretty awesome video Jul 22 17:26:01 lcuk: Would having liqbase_readme.txt distributed be an requirement too? Jul 22 17:26:08 Especially the note taking. Jul 22 17:26:23 OK, I need another guinea pig but who is running diablo now Jul 22 17:26:25 Blafasel, it doesnt actually do it justice, the stylus kept missing on the upstrokes (its sat on a foam pad so tablet moves away) Jul 22 17:26:33 qwerty12, yes Jul 22 17:26:40 thats why i wanted them in a folder on their own Jul 22 17:26:59 I'll make it move in /usr/share/liqbase then :), otherwise in /usr/share/docs docpurge will have it's way :) Jul 22 17:27:09 Blafasel, ive got 900 sketches now Jul 22 17:27:18 s/it's/its Jul 22 17:27:21 lcuk, how fast does it load ? Jul 22 17:27:55 a lot quicker now i've didled with it - i just do a scan of the folder, begin layout and load a few more every frame until complete Jul 22 17:27:58 it works quite weel Jul 22 17:28:16 but im reversing the direction Jul 22 17:28:26 i want to be writing at the BOTTOM of a big sheet of paper Jul 22 17:28:54 so i can automatically just look back over what ive done and advancing a page when ive finished is easier on the eyes Jul 22 17:28:56 ab ab ab ab Jul 22 17:28:57 lcuk: How are they arranged? I mean, the screen you write on is just prepended to the whole "paper"? Jul 22 17:29:15 s/ab ab ab ab/a*((ab)*|b*)/ Jul 22 17:29:15 crashanddie meant: a*((ab)*|b*) Jul 22 17:29:21 hmm Jul 22 17:29:26 ~/a*((ab)*|b*)/ Jul 22 17:29:34 each sketch is a rectangular area all fitted within the frame and laid out as neatly as possible Jul 22 17:29:44 Blafasel, +- zoom keys work Jul 22 17:29:51 Nice. Jul 22 17:29:54 and having 100 or so on screen as icons is wicked Jul 22 17:30:13 And your project contains the source for those sample apps as well or "only" for the drawing itself? Jul 22 17:30:14 arg, time for me to go, I'll take a look in the morning :) Jul 22 17:30:17 anyway, tea ready, back soon Jul 22 17:30:17 bye Jul 22 17:30:49 /ab ab ab ab/a*((ab)*|b*)/ Jul 22 17:30:51 Blafasel, liqbase contains everything i got stable until the day i released. i cleansed out the partial test stuff Jul 22 17:30:59 but now im full steam building them again Jul 22 17:31:12 Blafasel, you wouldn't be running diablo by any chance ? Jul 22 17:31:16 theres some more stuff in there that the video doesnt show Jul 22 17:31:18 crashanddie: I am Jul 22 17:31:23 back soon Jul 22 17:31:28 Blafasel, mind doing a small test for me ? Jul 22 17:31:44 crashanddie: Not at all, but I've to head home right now. 15min? Jul 22 17:31:53 Blafasel, purrfect Jul 22 17:32:02 brb Jul 22 17:36:00 m/purrfect/ Jul 22 17:36:22 hmm, infobot's perl implementation isn't that complete, is it ? Jul 22 17:39:31 crashanddie, it's a dumb IRC bot. :P Jul 22 17:41:14 based on GeneralAntilles's mind Jul 22 17:42:46 You see the depth of my disturbedness! Jul 22 17:43:38 lol yer Jul 22 17:43:52 im a bit freaked out about all these CC numbers Jul 22 17:44:23 Maybe trying them out one by one will help. Jul 22 17:45:21 lol GAN800, no - i seriously dont want them but i dont know what to do with them Jul 22 17:45:54 theres people from all over the world here and some from nearby Jul 22 17:45:55 :S Jul 22 17:46:06 Pass the buck, forward them on down the line. Jul 22 17:46:19 Hello everybody :) Jul 22 17:46:46 Hello wazd! Jul 22 17:46:47 :( theres even more than i thought Jul 22 17:46:55 [Message clipped] View entire message Jul 22 17:48:16 The result of that $1000 lcuk paypalled to that credit card scammer after he had that red wine. Jul 22 17:48:56 Can someone walk me through on how to get maemo mapper and a gps to work? Jul 22 17:49:31 * GAN800 restrains himself from making a joke about 'a gps'. Jul 22 17:49:46 the gps is seriously sketchy Jul 22 17:49:53 i was hoping for the gps to be a lil' more reliable Jul 22 17:50:34 When you hope for a "lil'" of anything, you set yourself up for disappointment. Jul 22 17:51:04 zfigz, what exactly is your problem ? Jul 22 17:51:15 ok, let's do this together, will ya ? Jul 22 17:51:35 get your NIT connected on wifi Jul 22 17:51:42 get close to a window/outside Jul 22 17:51:49 Evening, all Jul 22 17:51:51 launch a-gps beta Jul 22 17:52:00 Hi, Jaffa. Jul 22 17:52:01 note: GPS WORKS WELL WHEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PLANET EARTH Jul 22 17:52:16 hi jaffa Jul 22 17:52:25 lcuk, no wonder I've been having so much trouble. . . . Jul 22 17:52:34 and such lag playing wow Jul 22 17:52:36 my location is already set, so I'm not changing anything on the map a-gps shows me, but make sure the indicator is close to your area Jul 22 17:52:48 launch Map Jul 22 17:53:02 crash, it never locates me Jul 22 17:53:17 My friends have all gotten back into that shit after breaking their addictions 6 months ago. Jul 22 17:53:27 zfigz, have you attmpted to go outside with a clear view of the sky and set it going Jul 22 17:53:28 openning a gps Jul 22 17:53:31 gps does not work indoors Jul 22 17:53:34 lcuk, actually...no Jul 22 17:53:40 there ya go :P Jul 22 17:54:01 ok Jul 22 17:54:03 so do this Jul 22 17:54:05 open a gps Jul 22 17:54:07 then go to maemo mapper Jul 22 17:54:08 and voila? Jul 22 17:54:15 zfigz, agps beta isn't supposed to locate you . . . tap on the map where you are. Jul 22 17:54:48 You are the Assist in Assisted GPS. Jul 22 17:55:07 oh hell Jul 22 17:55:26 you need to show positioning system where you are?) Jul 22 17:55:46 ok Jul 22 17:55:48 i'm gonna go outside Jul 22 17:55:50 To within about 300 miles. Jul 22 17:56:12 GAN800: ah, thats better :) Jul 22 17:58:07 sjgadsby -> #maemo-meeting Jul 22 17:58:11 jaffa Jul 22 17:58:47 ive been sent an email which has disturbed me muchly. it contains well over 1000 names addresses and credit card details Jul 22 17:59:04 someone tell me where i can send this so it gets handled properly Jul 22 17:59:13 From who? Jul 22 17:59:27 i dunno, another gmail user Jul 22 17:59:41 lcuk: you're rich man! :D Jul 22 17:59:42 A very confused Nigerian scammer. Jul 22 17:59:50 no, these look too legit :S Jul 22 18:00:10 gmail-abuse? Jul 22 18:00:13 Something similar Jul 22 18:00:57 but its not abuse like that - ive just tried looking on police site n stuff but cant see anything major Jul 22 18:01:03 lcuk: please send it to me! Jul 22 18:01:28 * aquatix has some gadgets he wants to buy; having some CC numbers ready is nice ;) Jul 22 18:01:53 lcuk: UK? Jul 22 18:01:58 yes Jul 22 18:02:49 BTW, where can I apply for some bla-bla-bla time at the Maemo Summit?) Jul 22 18:02:58 lcuk: "fraud intelligence bureau"? Jul 22 18:03:08 wazd: the Talk page Jul 22 18:03:08 wazd: In the wiki? Jul 22 18:03:33 yeah Jul 22 18:03:35 crashanddie: Shoot Jul 22 18:03:36 didn't work outside either Jul 22 18:03:41 n810's gps sooks Jul 22 18:03:52 Jaffa, X-Fade: I realy have searched for something specific but I haven't found it( Jul 22 18:04:18 the Summit page on the wiki Jul 22 18:04:27 wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008 Jul 22 18:04:33 Stskeeps, thanks, that takes me to other periphery organisations where i can only signup for newsletters and leave comments Jul 22 18:04:48 the lightning talks and BoF sessions are being put together there Jul 22 18:05:02 Erk, lightning sessions now only 5 mins each (again) Jul 22 18:05:03 thats the right idea though Jul 22 18:05:10 Jaffa, i noticed that Jul 22 18:05:10 oh, thank you very much Jul 22 18:05:20 Jaffa, talk fast. Jul 22 18:05:48 I know a gps isn't supposed to locate me Jul 22 18:05:58 maybe implement a 2x transcoding feature for tablet-encoding ans use that on a recording of your talk? :P Jul 22 18:06:05 heh Jul 22 18:06:26 Locating you is exactly what a gps is supposed to do. *g* Jul 22 18:06:55 Jaffa, don't irc as root. :P Jul 22 18:07:10 GAN800: indeed ;-) Jul 22 18:07:35 how come it knows im lcuk Jul 22 18:07:45 * Jaffa 's keyboard was playing up in Ubuntu so had to switch OS Jul 22 18:07:45 dneary, got any opinion on that '/usr on sd' article? Jul 22 18:07:49 is possible to put a original kernel os2008 kernel Jul 22 18:07:53 Yep Jul 22 18:08:11 anyone have zimage to send-me? Jul 22 18:08:23 my n800 is in loop :P Jul 22 18:08:24 smyows, use the command qwerty12 gave you. Jul 22 18:08:40 ? Jul 22 18:09:14 flasher-3.0 -F --flash-only=kernel -R Jul 22 18:09:55 lcuk, what knows? Jul 22 18:10:22 well i logged in on my 810 just after jaffa Jul 22 18:10:26 i do not have original image Jul 22 18:10:29 mine said lcuk@ instead of anything Jul 22 18:10:49 smyows, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com Jul 22 18:11:10 lcuk: re the cc thing, i guess bank would be the best option to report it to as they have procedures internally about fraud :P Jul 22 18:11:19 You set your username in XChat? Jul 22 18:11:39 Stskeeps, but which bank, its countrywide list Jul 22 18:11:50 GAN800, so y did jaffas come up with root Jul 22 18:12:05 lcuk: your own to start with Jul 22 18:12:05 Because that's his username. Jul 22 18:12:19 ok Stskeeps :) Jul 22 18:13:16 lcuk: im deriving that from http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/fraud/ atleast Jul 22 18:13:29 since they are responsible for verifying the crime and reporting it to the police Jul 22 18:14:04 i find it hard to believe i cannot directly contact someone and say "OI this is dodgy" Jul 22 18:14:17 i might go out on the street with a camera - ill find a policeman in seconds Jul 22 18:14:26 yeah.. its ironic Jul 22 18:14:56 lcuk/GAN800: I'm not on my N810 as root (my N810 is showing it through a screen session on badger.bleb.org) but for following the meeting I decided that bitchx isn't the most easy interface to follow multiple rooms in. The OS I'm booted into only has one account at the moment, and it's "root" Jul 22 18:15:22 lol jaffa we are only pullin at your peel Jul 22 18:15:24 lcuk: bringing a printout of the first 30 pages prolly help to illustrate theres a problem Jul 22 18:15:37 or whatever seems overwhelming for the bank guy Jul 22 18:15:58 lcuk: indeed - I've given out the same advice many times :-) Jul 22 18:15:58 jott: ping Jul 22 18:16:02 ok, just gonna order some ink cartridges Jul 22 18:16:10 oh crap, it needs a cc Jul 22 18:16:23 hey hey Jul 22 18:17:55 hrm back Jul 22 18:18:34 Forward suspicious-looking emails 'from' HSBC to:phishing@hsbc.com <<< i can do that Jul 22 18:18:39 rm_you -> #maemo-meeting Jul 22 18:18:52 happening now? Jul 22 18:18:59 but i cant someonesentmethousandsofcreditcards@hsbc.com Jul 22 18:19:00 40 minutes Jul 22 18:19:42 GAN800: ok i will go take a shower now... got a dentist appointment at 2:00, need to leave by like 1:00 to get there on time, meeting starts at 12:00 >_> Jul 22 18:19:51 GAN800: so i'll prolly miss a bit of it if it is over an hour Jul 22 18:20:13 anything i should be thinking about pre-meeting? Jul 22 18:20:23 Cleaning or hole drilling? :P Jul 22 18:20:37 hole drilling :P Jul 22 18:20:40 they're going to gas me Jul 22 18:20:43 woo Jul 22 18:20:47 Woo! Jul 22 18:20:58 rm_you, :( Jul 22 18:21:02 lol Jul 22 18:21:04 Better than having to sit throug it. Jul 22 18:21:08 lcuk: it is very minor :P Jul 22 18:21:13 preventative work Jul 22 18:21:15 MINOR Jul 22 18:21:24 novacaine alergy? Jul 22 18:21:27 lol Jul 22 18:21:34 no, they will give me that too :P Jul 22 18:21:53 i need gassings just so they can inject me so they can repair it Jul 22 18:21:57 damn evil butchers Jul 22 18:22:03 minor + gas is odd. . . . Jul 22 18:22:11 I asked for it :P Jul 22 18:22:21 Ha Jul 22 18:22:24 Whimp Jul 22 18:22:25 How often can you legally get gassed out of your mind? :P Jul 22 18:22:48 This turns dentist trip from "meh" -> "woo" :P Jul 22 18:23:07 lcuk: stereotypes of british dentistry come to mind Jul 22 18:23:08 yaay taosynth was reactivated Jul 22 18:23:10 anybody do sound with linux? Jul 22 18:23:11 http://taopm.sourceforge.net/examples/sounds.html Jul 22 18:23:46 damn german dentists don't use gas, as a rule. Jul 22 18:24:40 anyway, brb shower Jul 22 18:24:49 Last time I was under was for adnoid removal Jul 22 18:24:50 should i have questions ready for the meeting/ Jul 22 18:24:55 or is it not that kind of meeting? Jul 22 18:25:13 They used ether, I threw up on the hospital steps leavinging. Jul 22 18:25:18 it was fun Jul 22 18:25:22 lol Jul 22 18:25:24 No questions. Just BS bingo Jul 22 18:25:26 rm_you, sprint review Jul 22 18:25:29 kk Jul 22 18:25:30 * Jaffa 's never had a general anaesthetic or, in fact, any form of gas :-( Jul 22 18:25:32 Not that kind. Jul 22 18:25:38 then brb Jul 22 18:26:21 I wish somebody would be cool and help me get together a useful agenda for a real maemo-meeting. :P Jul 22 18:27:24 GAN800 "world domination" Jul 22 18:27:55 I think I'm stuck in an un-useful mindset about it and need somebody else get some real direction going. Jul 22 18:28:05 GAN800: First point: "Socializing" Jul 22 18:28:10 http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo-org_sprint3_irc_planning_meeting/ ok then what? Jul 22 18:28:31 I've got a '20 questions with Quim' thing going on that's boring, topical and unhelpful. Jul 22 18:29:15 This is purely a sprint progress report meeting. Jul 22 18:29:25 oh Tue 11:30 PM ....it's 11 PM now! Jul 22 18:29:35 Y! Jul 22 18:30:55 Quim said it should be more like a real 'meeting' for the community, but I'm not entirely sure how to facilitate that without falling into stupid S60 fanboy question hell again. Jul 22 18:31:42 GAN800: I'm guessing that I need to put the channel on moderate soon ;) Jul 22 18:31:54 GAN800: Council led meeting FTW. Jul 22 18:32:01 Hehe Jul 22 18:33:10 well maemo guys will be here? Jul 22 18:33:23 boo. Jul 22 18:33:30 hoo Jul 22 18:33:37 only US!? Jul 22 18:34:14 yes, us and THEM. Jul 22 18:34:30 * GAN800 rocks out. Jul 22 18:35:29 is timeless around? Jul 22 18:35:47 RST38h -> #maemo-meeting Jul 22 18:35:59 Don't think he's here yet. Jul 22 18:36:08 ack. Jul 22 18:36:52 Hopefully he's not gonna miss the bugzilla meeting. . . . Jul 22 18:37:35 I have got the 100% cpu + hangup bug in microb/browserd again Jul 22 18:38:03 same site - livejournal.com, looks like some js goes haywire Jul 22 18:38:10 GAN800: is it alright just to lurk and observe, and not talk? not sure how public this sounds :P Jul 22 18:38:22 Hmmm I wonder why I haven't ever seen a software update notification on my N810 :) Jul 22 18:38:31 Stskeeps, most definitely. Jul 22 18:38:32 Something is up.. Jul 22 18:38:45 X-Fade, applet turned off? Jul 22 18:38:50 xfade: no repos added? Jul 22 18:38:52 GAN800: Nope. Jul 22 18:39:13 RST38h: Nope, I have lots of applications from extras and extras-devel on there. Jul 22 18:39:30 But somehow I don't get any notification. Jul 22 18:39:35 xfade: better tell why canola is still in extras-develop while its plugins are in extras Jul 22 18:39:54 RST38h: Check again ;) Jul 22 18:39:56 RST38h, scrollback. :P Jul 22 18:40:00 X-Fade: me neither, I've never seen *any* Jul 22 18:40:01 i am also Jul 22 18:40:07 ah! Jul 22 18:41:48 fffffffffffs ive just been onto my bank Jul 22 18:42:22 and no1 wants to do anything seriously: we hear all about bank details lost: well ive bloody well found them and hence theres a trail and no1 wants to do anything Jul 22 18:42:45 disconnected Jul 22 18:43:01 NEW STAFF http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/chat :D Jul 22 18:44:20 lcuk, Fight Club time. Jul 22 18:44:45 i got told to take it to my branch Jul 22 18:45:00 by the FRAUD department Jul 22 18:45:15 lcuk: ring your favourite national newspaper. Jul 22 18:45:18 ...or the BBC Jul 22 18:45:27 "we do not have access to the email addresses of our security personel for data protection reasons" Jul 22 18:45:35 lcuk: ?! Jul 22 18:46:16 that was the fraud people, i am shocked and outraged as well Jul 22 18:46:38 eventually the nice woman at the internet banking helpline told me to send it generically to phishing@hsbc Jul 22 18:46:46 9 Jul 22 18:47:04 but its not a frikkin phish, its an antiphish Jul 22 18:48:25 lcuk, i'm the bank manager. i'd like the details that were lost from our bank to be returned to me so i can deliver it in the morning and launch a full investigation. Jul 22 18:49:10 i once rang the bank to tell them that cookies could be copied over and a session could be kept between multiple computers. they jumped quickly then Jul 22 18:49:19 :P qwerty12_N800 Jul 22 18:49:33 I run the halifax :p Jul 22 18:49:33 !infact, ive prob still got the address Jul 22 18:51:42 * guenther slaps andre__ Jul 22 18:52:08 :) Jul 22 18:56:04 anyone checked the N810WE on Rogers' WiMAX? Jul 22 18:56:30 Nobody but Nokia personnel have N810Ws. Jul 22 18:56:56 I have received the following in my inbox which I think is a bit shocking. Jul 22 18:56:57 I do not know which bank or accounts the people are for, but am a customer of HSBC and think SOMEONE needs to look at these at a matter of urgency. Jul 22 18:56:57 I am surprised you have no other security addresses I can use anymore so apologise if this is the wrong address to forward this to. Jul 22 18:57:31 GNUton: pong Jul 22 18:57:46 GeneralAntilles: ah, thanks Jul 22 18:59:02 wtf? Jul 22 18:59:09 lcuk: sounds good Jul 22 19:00:00 not really: Jul 22 19:00:01 Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: Jul 22 19:00:01 phishing@hsbc.co.uk Jul 22 19:00:27 *sigh* Jul 22 19:01:05 you cant make this stuff up Jul 22 19:01:27 * lcuk resends Jul 22 19:02:00 lcuk, attach porno, should catch their attention. stick high priority on it too :o Jul 22 19:02:04 *:p Jul 22 19:02:51 pmsl Jul 22 19:02:53 :) Jul 22 19:02:53 wrong chan Jul 22 19:03:12 ive just sent hsbc the bounce Jul 22 19:04:38 wow Jul 22 19:04:50 Italodance: yes Jul 22 19:04:59 Italodance: please keep random questions in this channel :P Jul 22 19:05:21 yes, lets bollards Jul 22 19:05:22 sorry Jul 22 19:05:51 what has the world come to when an man cannot even get good wifi in the bathroom :o :p Jul 22 19:06:18 qwerty12_N800: sounds like you need another AP Jul 22 19:07:58 aquatix, i need 2 :/. this one doesn't support bridging or ssh Jul 22 19:08:39 i like asus wl-500g premium .. hasn't failed me yet and openwrt is fantastic on it Jul 22 19:08:42 :P Jul 22 19:08:47 and it's like 30 quid here Jul 22 19:08:56 Stskeeps: agreed Jul 22 19:09:11 i'll get my friend to ship me one from DK :p Jul 22 19:09:15 i have an usb soundcard and a usb-serial connected to fax modem attached Jul 22 19:09:35 and i absolutely love the feature of being able to move switch ports from WAN (straight on dorm lan), and LAN (behind lan) Jul 22 19:10:49 but tbh the broadcom wlan card in it sucks :/ Jul 22 19:10:55 * jott needs to get a decent one Jul 22 19:11:16 jott: running with 2.4 kernel and enabling wifi power save is just good for my nokia Jul 22 19:11:36 can't be worse than atheros's stuff :( Jul 22 19:11:54 * aquatix is happy with his v2 wrt54g Jul 22 19:11:57 Stskeeps: yeah it's works but reception could be better.. Jul 22 19:12:00 true Jul 22 19:12:10 crashanddie: Still need something? Jul 22 19:12:26 Blafasel, yeah, hang on Jul 22 19:12:40 an wireless router with usb for storage could be handy though Jul 22 19:12:40 Blafasel, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/hildon-open <-- download that, and try to open a .txt file with it (chmod +x hildon-open && ./hildon-open mytextfile.txt) Jul 22 19:13:00 Blafasel, try with both full path and just cwd Jul 22 19:13:14 crashanddie, i can test now if you wish Jul 22 19:13:35 qwerty12_N800, you can try it out too then, never too much tests Jul 22 19:14:27 Stskeeps, cp + paste worked a treat. network manager works great :) Jul 22 19:14:38 qwerty12_N800: you got it installed? wee Jul 22 19:15:01 jott: I´m updating the QGTKstyle code in the repository. Jul 22 19:15:08 yeah, heh, lart my router otherwise ssh ftw Jul 22 19:15:33 GNUton: yeah fine. i think i can apply my patches in the next days. Jul 22 19:15:50 GNUton: may changes should work on current svn head Jul 22 19:16:15 crashanddie: Will do, takes a minute though. Jul 22 19:16:50 GNUton: i can now officially contribute and have to see now how/if i can work together with jens on some outstanding issues Jul 22 19:18:22 jott: great! :) Jul 22 19:18:39 hello Jul 22 19:19:46 crashanddie, tried it on diablo, works nice as long as i give it a full path. it even runs under root w/out me resorting to prefixing run-standalone Jul 22 19:21:25 qwerty12_N800, that's the whole idea Jul 22 19:21:55 jott: There is an important issue to fix now.. Jul 22 19:22:02 GNUton: what is it? Jul 22 19:22:51 Italodance, and anyone else who doesnt know whats happening or what they are wittering on about, go see here https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3 Jul 22 19:23:06 * lcuk is trying to listen Jul 22 19:23:10 jott: QGTKStyle doesn´t theme the frame around the application Jul 22 19:23:42 mhh.. ah you mean this 2-3 pixel border? Jul 22 19:24:12 jott: of course Jul 22 19:24:57 http://www.gnuton.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/qt4-on-maemo.jpg Jul 22 19:27:09 mh but usually the background color should match the inner border color... Jul 22 19:29:31 http://outpo.st/qt4.png <- that's my current style :) Jul 22 19:30:36 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4364377.ece Jul 22 19:30:38 thats cool... assistant on maemo Jul 22 19:30:41 Finally! Jul 22 19:31:01 need to cross compil eit though :) Jul 22 19:31:03 qwerty12_N800, you know, hildon-open ? Jul 22 19:31:05 jott: however the file that the GTK style use to skin the borders of the top level window are qgn_plat_application_* Jul 22 19:31:08 qwerty12_N800, doesn't work on my NIT... Jul 22 19:31:35 worked for me :p Jul 22 19:31:38 qwerty12_N800, camera doesn't work anymore, mplayer doesn't work anymore, gps only works once and then I have to reboot Jul 22 19:31:48 I think I've been playing around with my NIT a bit too much :P Jul 22 19:32:37 GNUton: yeah not sure how to do it. i can't find anything in qstyle :/ Jul 22 19:33:19 crashanddie, my camera+mplayer still work. running any other kernels? Jul 22 19:33:39 qwerty12_N800, I switched to android at some point, then back Jul 22 19:34:33 crashanddie, that was me messing last night - sorry if i broke naything :P Jul 22 19:34:33 jott: by the way this is a Style issue.. this morning I watched the code... because i thought that was a WM issue.. Jul 22 19:34:50 "Wake up Michael, you're going to miss your flight" Jul 22 19:35:02 Hahahahaha Jul 22 19:35:06 Sorry for being slow. Worked for you, qwerty12_N800? Should I test it as well/still, crashanddie Jul 22 19:35:07 "MY NAME IS SEBASTIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN" Jul 22 19:35:20 crashanddie, did you get rid of the Android kernel? Jul 22 19:35:31 GeneralAntilles, I thought so Jul 22 19:35:34 hmm, my 1st android kernel has those problems, sounds like it's still there... what does cat /proc/version say? Jul 22 19:35:38 im sorry michael, im afraid i cannot change your name. the reasons are not serious enough" Jul 22 19:36:01 SEBASTIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN - woah. long name. Jul 22 19:36:10 lol Jul 22 19:36:13 GNUton: btw, do you know if you will join the summit now? Jul 22 19:36:28 qwerty12_N800, Linux version 2.6.21-omap1 (root@trice) (gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)) #2 Wed Jun 11 15:00:15 EEST 2008 Jul 22 19:36:45 oh, that's nokia stock :/ Jul 22 19:36:48 qwerty12_N800, you have no idea how long all my names are :P Jul 22 19:37:03 lol Jul 22 19:39:17 jott: I´m not sure yet. But there is a possibility! ;) Jul 22 19:39:36 jott: you live in berlin, isn´t it? Jul 22 19:39:42 yes Jul 22 19:39:44 i will be there :) Jul 22 19:39:50 great! :) Jul 22 19:40:23 would be ironic Jul 22 19:40:32 people coming from all over the world to berlin to attend the summit Jul 22 19:40:37 and a local not joining in :P Jul 22 19:40:51 i just consider doing a lightning session about qt4 on maemo progress.. as there are still slots open Jul 22 19:40:54 crashanddie: ahah :) Jul 22 19:41:36 "Why weren't you there jott ?" "Well, I had to take 2 busses and a tram... Couldn't be bothered" "I took 3 planes and a train" "Pfff, bragger" Jul 22 19:43:48 jott: My big problem is that my english is not very good.. but if you want we can have a session on Qt4 togheter. Jul 22 19:44:43 probably for september I´ve improved my speaked english! :P Jul 22 19:44:56 spoken Jul 22 19:45:00 :P Jul 22 19:45:02 ehhe :) Jul 22 19:45:04 thank you Jul 22 19:45:17 GNUton, best way, listen to the BBC 24/7 Jul 22 19:45:25 yes it´s irregular! :) Jul 22 19:45:45 crashanddie: I´m listening ESL podcast. Jul 22 19:45:57 Electronics Sports League ? Jul 22 19:45:59 That ESL ? Jul 22 19:46:06 and whatever you do, do not copy lcuk's accent Jul 22 19:46:11 ahha :) English as Second Language Jul 22 19:46:14 qwerty12_N800, AGREED Jul 22 19:46:23 GNUton: well slots are set to 5 min/person if we do it together we would get 10 minutes :P Jul 22 19:46:35 .|.. Jul 22 19:47:00 jott, write my name down, I'll stfu all the time, just look cute; you'll have 15m that way :) Jul 22 19:47:35 haha yeah timeslot exploit :) Jul 22 19:47:51 in fact Jul 22 19:47:57 anyone who wants 5m extra, write my name down Jul 22 19:48:07 if I'm lucky, I'll just need to get a seat on stage and be done with it Jul 22 19:48:43 i'll come and start directing questions at crashanddie :p Jul 22 19:49:00 qwerty12_N800, ask me any question Jul 22 19:49:07 qwerty12_N800, and I'll be able to answer Jul 22 19:49:17 jott: ah ok! :) I thought that the slots get more time. Jul 22 19:49:29 they did Jul 22 19:49:33 it started as 10mins each Jul 22 19:49:36 crashanddie, wtf did you contribute to that :p Jul 22 19:49:45 qwerty12_N800, yes Jul 22 19:49:46 GNUton: well don't know there are still four open workshop slots.. Jul 22 19:52:32 um http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/agps-tablet GPS Beta can work on n800 too? Jul 22 19:54:15 qwerty12_N800 hi friend can u change the size of xmms? Jul 22 19:54:40 no Jul 22 19:56:48 GeneralAntilles: GAN800: ok heading out for dentist in a minute Jul 22 19:56:55 Have fun. ;) Jul 22 19:57:06 hope I don't miss "rm_you, respond now and we'll send you to the summit" or anything :P Jul 22 19:57:27 rm_you, I'll ghost your nick and reply Jul 22 19:57:33 lol Jul 22 19:57:47 Nah, that'll read: "rm_you, respond now or we're sending you the bill for everybody's expenses" Jul 22 19:58:11 lol Jul 22 19:58:38 i'll pick up the logs later :) Jul 22 19:58:41 bbl Jul 22 20:04:57 jott: ok, let me know what do you think.. Jul 22 20:12:05 lcuk: hi mate - where's the latest liqbase? Jul 22 20:12:25 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/ Jul 22 20:12:28 svn there Jul 22 20:12:35 'k Jul 22 20:12:43 i have got a modified version here but as i said earlier, its playing Jul 22 20:12:53 lcuk, where's my web content? :P Jul 22 20:12:56 different to the one you emailed me? Jul 22 20:13:24 web has a few bug fixes over what i emailed Jul 22 20:13:27 svn is the latest Jul 22 20:13:32 'k Jul 22 20:13:39 you playin Jul 22 20:13:48 just got a few mins :) Jul 22 20:14:09 been busy and tomorrow/thursday are probably toast Jul 22 20:14:13 :) cool, theres an example _apg folder with a few predefined sketches Jul 22 20:14:18 jott: I just added a new issue in the QGTKStyle issue list. Jul 22 20:14:32 on the graffiti wall, can you open an old sketch? Jul 22 20:14:35 we will do a playtest - ill grab shopper now, ive been meaning to for days Jul 22 20:14:40 or physics for that matter Jul 22 20:14:42 reopen to edit Jul 22 20:14:49 not right now Jul 22 20:14:55 how do you reopen? Jul 22 20:15:03 one shot dealio - like a postit note. Jul 22 20:15:11 ah Jul 22 20:15:22 editing is being built as we speak Jul 22 20:15:33 well not quite exactly now, but you know what i mean Jul 22 20:15:34 cool - ready for thursday? Jul 22 20:15:41 whats happenin thursday? Jul 22 20:15:47 lcuk: What about the packaging? qwerty12_N800? ;) Jul 22 20:16:19 * GeneralAntilles mumbles something about Extras-devel weeklies. Jul 22 20:16:33 i'm working on it in the morning Jul 22 20:16:43 Cool. What time is it now for you? ;) Jul 22 20:16:46 i can only throw my hands in the air and say i get confused by such things - it expects to have its own folder for a couple of local files Jul 22 20:16:48 re Jul 22 20:16:55 hi flo_lap Jul 22 20:17:12 * GeneralAntilles mumbles something more about web content. Jul 22 20:17:31 Blafasel, 9:17 PM BST Jul 22 20:17:42 lbt, can i step in your box Jul 22 20:17:51 i get up @ 6 am anyway... Jul 22 20:18:02 err, sure.... ? Jul 22 20:19:05 qwerty12_N800: Ugh Jul 22 20:21:12 qwerty12_N800: ouch Jul 22 20:21:23 * aquatix can sleep until 7am Jul 22 20:22:00 hehe, i could get up at 7:30 if i wished to but i don't :) Jul 22 20:22:47 and you sleep at 11? Jul 22 20:23:07 roundabout Jul 22 20:23:24 oops, separate words :) Jul 22 20:24:59 GNUton: maybe make a better screenshot for the bug report, the picture implies that the toplevel window is wrong not the mainwindow Jul 22 20:25:59 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper Jul 22 20:26:12 GNUton: and i'm not even sure we can solve this with qgtkstyle.. in the end it's an HildonWindow that is themed - maybe it has to be done at QMainWindow level.. Jul 22 20:28:36 (i.e. it won't be solveable by a plain qgtkstyle as HildonWindow is not a gtk base widget) Jul 22 20:29:46 (and as far as i can see Qt does not provide a way to theme this area with QStyle.. not 100% sure about this) Jul 22 20:30:32 jott: ok, but I want to be sure before starting to modify the Qt code. Jul 22 20:31:09 yes.. still, if at all, this can not be solved by qgtkstyle just by a "qhildonstyle" Jul 22 20:31:49 this bring us to the #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES too :( Jul 22 20:35:18 ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES.... argh Jul 22 20:35:37 hildon libs lack them in few places... Jul 22 20:36:33 the maemo Qt code has got a lot of #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON.. If this problem can be solved in this way.. it´s not a great proble for us, or nt? Jul 22 20:36:36 not Jul 22 20:38:06 GNUton: well... it all depends on how managable this gets (as forking from upstream is always problematic) Jul 22 20:38:39 and it would be good if qt4 on maemo does not do the same mistakes as gtk on maemo :p Jul 22 20:39:03 (ask hrw about it :P Jul 22 20:40:50 jott: I do not use maemo gtk with hildon libs on non-maemo Jul 22 20:41:18 hello i'm trying to get latex (texing) to work on os2008. it's installed, but when running pdflatex i guet the error "mktextfm: No such file or directory". does anybody have a hint? Jul 22 20:41:51 hrw|gone: but you where hit by the maemo gtk changes :) Jul 22 20:43:14 I have patches for it - and reported some of them to bugs.maemo Jul 22 20:44:13 does anyone know if xsel is available for the maemo platform ? Jul 22 20:44:39 jott: I know that a fork is best way. But the possibilty to add the the Qt4 maemo code in the upstream code exist. Jul 22 20:44:53 the full error from pdflatex is here: pastebin.ch/338 Jul 22 20:45:05 jott: sorry is not the best way :P Jul 22 20:45:58 GNUton: yes, just keep in mind that when you want to merge it upstream you can't easily allow 3rd party contributors Jul 22 20:46:36 mgmaps get routes by the internet (think google maps), maemo mapper gets too? Jul 22 20:46:45 it's a bit of a predicament.. Jul 22 20:47:05 jott: I think that there is not problem if oyu release your patches under BSD. Jul 22 20:47:35 jott: What´s the other way to have a Qt for maemo? Jul 22 20:47:44 GNUton: is this possible? it would voilate the gpl (ianal).. Jul 22 20:48:22 GNUton: sign a copyright assignment form. Jul 22 20:49:43 jott: mmm if the the code is under BSD, trolltech can change the copyright without any problem. Jul 22 20:50:27 GNUton: but the patch is a direved work of a gpl work.. Jul 22 20:50:38 so it technically can't be bsd... Jul 22 20:50:53 derived.. Jul 22 20:50:56 It´s true. Jul 22 20:52:16 But it´s also true that if you want collaborate with jens you must give him your patch under BSD license.. Jul 22 20:52:41 GNUton: no. that does not seem to be an option. Jul 22 20:52:56 because QGTKStyle will be integrated in Qt. Jul 22 20:53:32 i have to sign a copyright assignment form so trolltech/qt software/nokia (or what's it legally now) can use it without problems Jul 22 20:55:33 ok it´s true if you want release your patch with the Nokia or trolltech license.. Jul 22 20:55:48 as i said, i doubt it is possible to release a patch under bsd for an gpl work. though i am not 100% sure about it. Jul 22 20:56:13 jott: I agree with you... Jul 22 20:56:25 :) Jul 22 20:56:36 The patch can probably be BSD. That won't make the original work it applies to BSD, however. Jul 22 20:57:13 derf: isn't a patch basically always a derived work from the original base? Jul 22 20:57:26 (and hence has to be gpl compatible) Jul 22 20:58:31 jott: probably yes... Jul 22 20:58:44 jott: but I´m not sure.. Jul 22 20:59:08 i think a horde of lawyers atleast could fight about this a couple of month ;) Jul 22 20:59:59 I think so! :) haha :) Jul 22 21:01:00 Yeah... it depends on whether the patch can be "reasonably considered indpendent and separate". Jul 22 21:01:30 One might argue (probably successfully), that a patch for code that can't compile without the original work is not "separate". Jul 22 21:01:38 So you may well be right. Jul 22 21:01:48 we can try to mail R. Stallman... :P Jul 22 21:02:09 I think that him has a answer for us. Jul 22 21:02:23 Aloha! Jul 22 21:02:33 Aloha! :) Jul 22 21:02:37 better ask eben moglen :) Jul 22 21:02:46 sbaturzio: are you just got up? Jul 22 21:03:05 jott: who is him? Jul 22 21:03:13 jott, "The license may restrict source-code from being distributed in modified form only if the license allows the distribution of “patch files” with the source code for the purpose of modifying the program at build time. The license must explicitly permit distribution of software built from modified source code. The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software Jul 22 21:03:13 ." Jul 22 21:03:14 GNUton: no, just back home from work :) Jul 22 21:03:23 GNUton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen Jul 22 21:03:48 sbaturzio: a ok! :) now I know because you are so happy! ;) Jul 22 21:03:57 GNUton: :) Jul 22 21:07:17 GNUton: anyway, it's obviously not an trivial task license wise (additionally given that there are many jurisdictions), hence the usual approach for tt is to let the contributors sign a copyright assignment form. Jul 22 21:12:17 lcuk: made ldmia/stmia work? Jul 22 21:12:42 no RST38bis - ill mark it as a bug for now Jul 22 21:14:17 its plenty fast enough without and i think its down to compile optimisations and im sure its thumb by default Jul 22 21:14:30 btw, does xournal work properly on maemo? Jul 22 21:15:09 dunno Jul 22 21:15:22 RST38bis: does not work for me on diablo... Jul 22 21:15:47 somthing about xo-hildon_ui.xml.. not cared to debug/trace the problem.. Jul 22 21:16:07 (but it worked fine under chinook) Jul 22 21:16:09 anybody else tried using xournal, folks? Jul 22 21:16:24 oh Jul 22 21:16:54 it crashes on color selection and none of the tools work Jul 22 21:17:08 it does not even start here.. Jul 22 21:17:47 does not start from the menu, yes Jul 22 21:20:44 jott: do you have signed a copyright assignment form? Jul 22 21:21:27 I dont remember if I asked that to you. Your patches is very good. Jul 22 21:21:47 RST38bis: debian or maemo? Jul 22 21:22:06 maemo Jul 22 21:22:26 odd.. i had it crashing in debian in same way when Xinput support was enabled Jul 22 21:22:27 :P Jul 22 21:22:44 GNUton: yes, i recieved the form today. Jul 22 21:35:17 Hi ! Jul 22 21:36:06 Someone cross finger for me i m trying my first package created onboard with my new packager tool Jul 22 21:36:35 timeless: bugs.maemo chat in #maemo-meeting (garage foo and whatnot) Jul 22 21:39:05 X-Fade: Any chance of you giving me (and crashanddie perhaps?) a heads-up regarding the site access? For example: Where did you just remove the limit that fixed Bug 3177? Jul 22 21:39:31 Blafasel: How do you mean? Jul 22 21:39:39 Blafasel, I'm guessing svn would be a good start Jul 22 21:40:17 Blafasel: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo2midgard-commits/ Jul 22 21:40:18 Right. Links/pointers to the accessible parts. Where would I even start searching for the repository and how is the access restricted? Jul 22 21:40:32 Blafasel: Subscribe here: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=106 Jul 22 21:40:59 Both? Jul 22 21:41:06 How much noise is on the commit one? Jul 22 21:41:13 Blafasel: No, first is web archive. Jul 22 21:41:29 Blafasel: Depends on how much work/fixes we do :) Jul 22 21:41:37 Check the archive. Jul 22 21:46:16 Okay, found the project, the source, your fix. But that's a little counter-intuitive for newbies so far.. Jul 22 21:47:21 X-Fade, I'm guessing fixes must be reviewed before they're pushed live, right ? Jul 22 21:47:25 http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-07-22.html Jul 22 21:47:57 crashanddie: Sure, but now we have only 'inside' people making commits. Jul 22 21:48:18 crashanddie: So we would have to setup some ground rules of course. Jul 22 21:48:46 X-Fade, is there a mob branch or something ? Where we could push the changes freely ? Jul 22 21:48:54 Blafasel: And all these changes are done on top of midgard: www.midgard-project.org Jul 22 21:49:01 jott: :) Great! Jul 22 21:49:19 X-Fade: Got that already. ;) Reading some code right now. Jul 22 21:50:46 Maybe a list with important stuff (repository like maemo-extra, maemo-extra-devel are LINK_HERE, the website project is LINK_HERE, the wiki page are .. etc.) would be great as a starting point for someone with no clue but the will to help Jul 22 21:50:57 GNUton: i just wait for the reply of jens to see how we should proceed and hopefully within the week i can commit my fixes or let jens commit them upstream Jul 22 21:51:49 Blafasel: We use this midcom branch on maemo.org. http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/branches/MidCOM_2_8 Jul 22 21:51:52 jott: I´m very happy for you! :) Jul 22 21:53:16 Hey it´s to late! Jul 22 21:53:39 jott: thank you very much for the good chat.. Jul 22 21:53:57 I go to bed.... it´s time to sleep! Jul 22 21:54:12 night Jul 22 22:05:29 is pidgin in extras now? Jul 22 22:07:39 Why are there two bash packages? Jul 22 22:07:54 repository extras-devel and diablo/sdk Jul 22 22:08:03 It's confusing me. :) Jul 22 22:08:25 Also, why is there no lightweight emacs with less than 30 MByte? ;) Jul 22 22:22:53 X-Fade: Got a really small bug again, confirmed it and now I'm looking at the sources, somewhat clueless. Interested in fixing another bug in probably < 5min (uhm.. clueless guesstimation) and thereby showing me how to find the right spot? Jul 22 22:24:51 Shoot. Jul 22 22:25:14 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3389 Jul 22 22:25:47 This one seems cosmetic and obviously easy to fix: The "Do you want sponsorship" checkbox is sent as Yes/No, the "I understand I need a visa" as 1/0 Jul 22 22:26:19 I looked at the code below events/, but it was (yet) too much midgard magic for me Jul 22 22:27:07 i.e. $event->dm_array_to_string($registration_dm); this should be somewhere up the stack for the problem? Jul 22 22:28:48 hahaa faad version: 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo1 Jul 22 22:28:59 that's awesome Jul 22 22:31:05 X-Fade: If that's not obvious and I'm wrong: Don't bother, I'll figure it out. Just thought that looking at the commit might help me understanding some more stuff here (and fix another bug. Yay.) Jul 22 22:44:12 Blafasel: I'm not too familiar with that component. I don't know if that mail is styled or if it is defined in the module itself. Jul 22 22:46:43 could anybody tell me if you can leave canola running in the background? is it too resource-intensive? Jul 22 22:47:22 X-Fade: Well, the code there consists only of 6? 7? files and those don't seem to contain the contents. Any other place I can look for the definition? So far I'm browsing the repo like mad ;) Jul 22 22:47:53 Blafasel: yeah, so it probably is in net.nemein.registrations. Jul 22 22:49:16 Where'd that be? Jul 22 22:49:42 Blafasel: In the midgard-project repository. Jul 22 22:52:21 Damn! Garage (or maemo.org in general) is slow.. =( Jul 22 23:02:24 anybody? Jul 22 23:06:01 gregorovius__: always ;) Jul 22 23:09:14 Yay. First attachmend for maemo bugzilla.. Jul 22 23:09:20 attachment, even Jul 22 23:13:25 flo_lap, sorry, I didn't understand your answer Jul 22 23:15:55 gregorovius__: Well... I didn't understand your question. Jul 22 23:19:53 http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/maemo-meeting.log Jul 22 23:21:22 ok, I'm gonna try asking again :) could anybody tell me if you can leave canola running in the background, and if it is too resource intensive? or barely noticeable? Jul 22 23:21:39 gregorovius__, it'll drain your battery, most probably Jul 22 23:21:52 gregorovius__, the best way would just to launch a terminal and see how much CPU is used Jul 22 23:22:22 oh, I don't have a n800 yet, i'm thinking of buying one, and I'm curious on how well it performs as a media player Jul 22 23:22:36 basically if Jul 22 23:22:52 sorry, basically if I can leave it open and the tablet on, or if I have to close it every time i Jul 22 23:23:07 (damn laptop keyboard) every time I finish using it Jul 22 23:25:45 I hope I won't get killed for spamming in bugzilla now.. Jul 22 23:47:36 How I can add "thumb" to DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? If I just set this in a environment variable, dpkg-buildpackage overrides it Jul 22 23:51:42 Am i in? Jul 22 23:53:58 No. Jul 22 23:54:48 Woo rtcomm beta fully works with 2008HE Jul 22 23:55:49 gregorovius__: you should be able to put the device to sleep with canola running and not have it take up cpu time Jul 22 23:56:10 if it's not playing anything. otherwise they have a real design problem. Jul 23 00:04:22 GeneralAntilles: holy shite Jul 23 00:04:50 went from ~2700 downloads to ~4800 in like, a dau Jul 23 00:04:51 *day Jul 23 00:07:48 some very nice mellow, reflective dubstep on right now... http://dubstep.fm/ Jul 23 00:08:11 http://www.dubstep.fm/listen.pls Jul 23 00:09:09 doh Jul 23 00:09:24 mc compiled with -mthumb is 20% larger than pure 32-bit ARM Jul 23 00:20:00 MUAHAHA! I can feel my face again! woot Jul 23 00:20:24 o_ô Jul 23 00:22:00 * rm_you was at the dentist Jul 23 00:27:33 http://gizmodo.com/5027378/real-dinosaur-on-the-loose-in-a-museum-makes-learning-fun-extremely-dangerous Jul 23 00:27:40 dentists are mean Jul 23 00:27:54 have you seen that &&& Jul 23 00:28:00 ^^^ even Jul 23 00:29:23 no Jul 23 00:29:25 lol Jul 23 00:30:54 about half way down the comments someone has posted an about how they do it movie Jul 23 00:30:57 its amazing Jul 23 00:38:10 what a great costume Jul 23 00:38:29 theres no1 inside it, but it is being controlled Jul 23 00:43:42 eh? Jul 23 00:43:48 those legs look human Jul 23 00:44:09 look again Jul 23 00:44:36 lcuk, that's awesome Jul 23 00:44:39 hmm yer i did Jul 23 00:44:56 the second movie shows animatronic legs - you are of course right pupbik Jul 23 00:44:58 nik Jul 23 00:45:03 crashanddie, its amazing Jul 23 00:46:11 ohhh nice news on that site: http://gizmodo.com/5027606/osram-pushes-white-leds-to-world+record-brightness-super-efficiency Jul 23 00:47:14 lcuk, would be awesome to work in that industry, too :P Jul 23 00:47:15 gremlins wont be happy Jul 23 00:47:22 I'd love to do AI Jul 23 00:47:30 aii? Jul 23 00:48:01 have you seen the n770/800 puppy? Jul 23 00:48:13 I did Jul 23 00:48:33 s/did/have/ Jul 23 00:48:34 crashanddie meant: I have Jul 23 00:48:35 same principle - only this is afordable Jul 23 00:48:58 infact.. Jul 23 00:49:06 ill put that down for another year Jul 23 00:50:05 heh Jul 23 00:50:13 poo, its late and ive not finished what i started Jul 23 00:50:14 liqbase controlled mass-murderer Jul 23 00:50:16 liqkill Jul 23 00:50:22 lol Jul 23 00:50:33 "Hello Michael" comes to mind xD Jul 23 00:50:57 anyway Jul 23 00:50:58 I'm out Jul 23 00:51:00 better than your control software: crash-os crash-robot crash-car crash-plane Jul 23 00:51:16 who said my software is called crash-* ? Jul 23 00:51:55 is there easier way to check build-depencies than autobuilder? now trying 4th time ;) Jul 23 00:51:55 well what is it then (die-*) Jul 23 00:52:27 Firestarter, Breathe, Narayan, Climbatize, Mindfields, Tick Tock, QBG Jul 23 00:52:30 mikkov_, you should mark everything you use in your project and not leave anything out Jul 23 00:53:08 Firstarter-car Breathe-set TickTock-os Jul 23 00:53:26 set? i mean jet Jul 23 00:53:41 lcuk, all those names have a link :) Will you find it ? :P Jul 23 00:53:55 (one google search should give the answer) Jul 23 00:53:55 lcuk, yes but it's not written by me. anyway eventually it will build :) Jul 23 00:53:56 anyway Jul 23 00:53:59 I'm out Jul 23 00:54:09 gnite Jul 23 00:54:14 take care, see you tomorrow Jul 23 00:54:31 if you are going then i deffo am Jul 23 00:54:42 I'm wasted Jul 23 00:54:51 only slept about 30 minutes Jul 23 00:55:01 mikkov_, can you build it locally Jul 23 00:55:11 yes Jul 23 00:55:48 there were some "hidden" depencies Jul 23 00:56:27 just take each lib in turn from the makefile and double check which package it comes from Jul 23 00:57:20 thats what i will end up doin anyway. it might not be the right way but i will know then once all items from libs are found and listed it should work Jul 23 00:57:33 anyway, im off 2 bed Jul 23 00:57:35 gnite chan Jul 23 00:58:50 nite Jul 23 01:06:53 now it's building ok :) Jul 23 02:04:34 hi all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 23 02:59:56 2008