**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 25 02:59:57 2008 Jul 25 03:00:40 bef, would you know the settings for gizmo's sip? Jul 25 03:01:30 I think that current rtcomm beta includes a profile for Gizmo sip Jul 25 03:02:09 let me check Jul 25 03:03:26 Thanks bef Jul 25 03:03:30 Making the move from skype to gizmo Jul 25 03:03:35 Caller ID is essential Jul 25 03:03:56 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 25 03:04:18 Hm. Anybody know what osso-software-version-rx44 is for? Jul 25 03:04:56 F-i-G, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7903 Jul 25 03:05:14 Thanks bef0rd Jul 25 03:05:23 oh Jul 25 03:05:27 I just tried that Jul 25 03:05:27 hmm Jul 25 03:05:34 i must be doing something wrong Jul 25 03:05:44 after @ what do you put? Jul 25 03:09:59 hmmm Jul 25 03:10:00 yeah Jul 25 03:10:01 i don Jul 25 03:10:06 i don't know if that's what im doing wrong or not Jul 25 03:10:12 what to put after the @ that is Jul 25 03:11:28 hmmpf Jul 25 03:11:38 can someone show me what they're using for their settings? Jul 25 03:12:00 my profile for siphone/gizmo is proxy01.sipphone.com Jul 25 03:12:23 erhm I mean, it says proxy01.sipphone.com after the @ Jul 25 03:12:43 proxy01.sipphone.com is the important part. Jul 25 03:13:52 sweet Jul 25 03:13:57 I'll try that Jul 25 03:27:17 sweet Jul 25 03:27:19 that works pretty good Jul 25 03:27:34 and i like the internal app much better Jul 25 03:27:37 awesome Jul 25 03:27:39 time to buy a number Jul 25 03:57:01 lcuk: lol damnit Jul 25 03:57:26 lcuk: so i got that all done and ready and then set down n800 on the table to put on socks and shoes, and forgot to pick it up again >_< Jul 25 03:57:46 so instead of reading i just walked to a sandwich shop and had lunch for an hour Jul 25 05:14:41 man Jul 25 05:14:50 putting an sd card into a n810 is a bitch Jul 25 05:14:58 does it not stay in or wha? Jul 25 05:15:07 It's in the sandisk adaptor and wow Jul 25 05:15:14 it doesn't stay in Jul 25 05:16:41 F-i-G: Er, what sort of SD card are you trying to put in? Jul 25 05:17:06 i got it in Jul 25 05:17:13 but it sure is finicky to get in Jul 25 05:17:23 time to download torrents Jul 25 05:21:21 well Jul 25 05:21:35 it's not being recognized now...i just created directories and then poof Jul 25 05:21:36 no longer there Jul 25 05:23:12 man Jul 25 05:23:20 does anyone have tips on keeping this sucker in? Jul 25 05:23:33 is it mini or micro sd Jul 25 05:23:38 micro sd needs an adapter Jul 25 05:23:44 micro sd Jul 25 05:23:44 and if you don't have one, well obviously it's going to not stay in. Jul 25 05:23:47 in an adaptor Jul 25 05:23:50 ...oh. Jul 25 05:23:51 I do have on Jul 25 05:23:51 shit. Jul 25 05:23:53 *e Jul 25 05:23:58 it recognizes it Jul 25 05:24:01 that's pretty f Jul 25 05:24:02 but then kinda pops out Jul 25 05:24:03 ail Jul 25 05:24:12 what model do you have, I don't want to buy that one :( Jul 25 05:24:21 (the card & adapter not your nokia) Jul 25 05:24:23 N810 Jul 25 05:24:28 oh Jul 25 05:24:29 not sure Jul 25 05:24:32 via amazon Jul 25 05:25:05 Link to the one you bought? Jul 25 05:25:08 So we can avoid it? :) Jul 25 05:25:59 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012Y2LLE Jul 25 05:26:16 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TLXCDW Jul 25 05:26:17 duly noted Jul 25 05:26:36 * Toba bed Jul 25 05:27:43 argh Jul 25 05:27:45 this blows Jul 25 05:35:56 Hi ! Jul 25 05:42:10 Evening Khertan_n810 Jul 25 05:42:48 morning brontide :) Jul 25 05:43:09 It's morning there... I should be sleeping Jul 25 05:43:39 uh Jul 25 05:43:47 :) 7:40 am here Jul 25 05:43:59 would anyone know why/how i lost access to both my internal and removal storage? Jul 25 05:44:00 what the hell Jul 25 05:44:39 Is this because of the wrong size SD card you are using? Jul 25 05:44:44 no no Jul 25 05:44:48 it's not the wrong size Jul 25 05:45:01 i was just pushing it in and it was popping it out Jul 25 05:45:13 lost access ? in which way ? Jul 25 05:45:44 both the internal and removable Jul 25 05:45:50 argh Jul 25 05:45:50 it keeps popping out ( according to my logs ) Jul 25 05:46:07 I no longer have access to the internal or removable storage space. Jul 25 05:46:57 Have you rebooted after the problems with storage earlier http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-25.log.html#t2008-07-25T08:14:41 Jul 25 05:47:14 Yeah Jul 25 05:47:20 I've rebooted several times now Jul 25 05:48:05 Do you have any ideas, logs, dmesg, anything that says WHY the internal is not mounting? Jul 25 05:48:19 I should sleep Jul 25 05:48:35 I'm checking in the file manager Jul 25 05:48:40 should i be checking elsewhere? Jul 25 05:49:20 sleep on it... the next step is really getting into the terminal to figure out what's going on Jul 25 05:49:35 aye aye Jul 25 05:49:36 sleeping on it Jul 25 05:52:30 Khertan_n810: how bad with the "quirks" in the google calendar data api's. I've run into one or two "bugs" in the documents api will erquire coding around Jul 25 05:52:48 * brontide shoots typist Jul 25 05:53:05 brontide > like a google intern dev says : Jul 25 05:53:18 'there is no bug ! it s features' Jul 25 05:53:30 heh Jul 25 05:53:51 sometimes date are return in different format for the same call Jul 25 05:54:15 it s due to how google store data Jul 25 05:54:16 Neat trick, I should try that sometime with my timecard Jul 25 05:54:27 see how HR feels about it Jul 25 05:54:33 don t see gdata as an traditionnal db Jul 25 05:54:54 It's hardly even atom at times ;-) Jul 25 05:54:55 brontide > what bug do u see ? Jul 25 05:55:14 so it s not gdata :) Jul 25 05:55:31 The server doesn't even acknowledge category changes for DocumentListEntry Jul 25 05:55:51 So you can't star/unstar/move to folder Jul 25 05:56:09 hum and what say the api doc ? Jul 25 05:56:29 i m currently studying tghe contact api :) Jul 25 05:56:40 for mContacts :) Jul 25 05:57:25 The API docs are silent on the move to folder, but starring and unstarring is in the codebase for java... it just doesn't work. You can see categories applied through the web, but not change them through the API Jul 25 05:59:05 made a search on google group aboutt Jul 25 05:59:06 it Jul 25 05:59:27 or post a report google dev will answer u about that Jul 25 05:59:37 http://code.google.com/p/gdata-python-client/issues/detail?id=146 Jul 25 05:59:53 So if you know a better place to post let me know Jul 25 06:01:06 I really would like folders since it would make it SOO much easier to sync documents Jul 25 06:01:30 lol wontfix Jul 25 06:02:24 category aren t currently supported Jul 25 06:02:40 i think it ll be in a near futur Jul 25 06:03:02 * brontide goes of and screams at the sky some more Jul 25 06:03:24 like I said "quirks" :-) Jul 25 06:06:26 anyways... off to bed. I might get 4 hours of sleep before the 2 year old awakes Jul 25 06:07:03 :) Jul 25 06:34:22 how about adeona for maemo Jul 25 06:34:26 http://adeona.cs.washington.edu/ Jul 25 06:35:56 that could include aircrack, gps location, pictures etc. so that the tablet would try to find out the route to the server if the user fails to authenticate to the application. Jul 25 06:59:35 Hi Error message how to resolve inside Scantch-box "(libosso >= 1 osso-ic) were not met:" Jul 25 07:48:40 Hello again (copyright Apple Computer 1986) Jul 25 07:49:41 Falls under fair use I hope Jul 25 07:50:50 morning Jul 25 07:52:08 Does http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/ accept any comments or is it only mine ? Jul 25 08:17:01 Hi @al Jul 25 08:18:24 I'd like to know if the RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, is the last firmware for the N810 ? Jul 25 08:18:44 That's not even for an N810. N810 = RX-44 Jul 25 08:20:47 ok, I've just seen this, sorry for the noise Jul 25 08:21:21 In fact, I'd like to know if the contact management under N810 differs from what I can actually see under N800 Jul 25 08:22:26 In the N800, I can't create a "postal" address for my contacts Jul 25 08:23:12 http://maemo.org/downloads/ Jul 25 08:23:38 the firmware and application is almost the same for n810 and n800 Jul 25 08:25:03 Khertan : thx Jul 25 08:25:29 So, sorry for being annoying but I'm really new in the maemo galaxy Jul 25 08:26:07 Do you know if there's a "real" PIM available for the N8*0 Jul 25 08:27:38 Hmm, "/dev/mtdblock4 249.5M 244.9M 4.6M 98% /" :/. Localepurge time... Jul 25 08:33:29 morning all Jul 25 08:34:38 I have some ~ hildon questions... if you create an app that doesn't do the dbus registering thing then I've read that it gets killed after "a while" Jul 25 08:34:43 is this logged anywhere? Jul 25 08:34:53 so I know it was killed and didn't die... Jul 25 08:35:09 also, does this apply to correctly built apps started from the command line? Jul 25 08:38:17 "This name is used to register a name on the D-Bus, Jul 25 08:38:17 and this will keep the task killer from killing the process later on (assuming the application was started via the Task navigator)." - shouldn't apply to the command line Jul 25 08:40:19 ah - so the task-nav thing only kills things it starts - (makes sense but you never know) Jul 25 08:40:53 arnooo: no pim for maemo Jul 25 08:41:36 My app just dies after a random time - usually when it's doing nothing Jul 25 08:42:02 (eg pop-up keyboard is up and I'm chatting before I type anything - poof!) Jul 25 08:42:11 *never* happens on Xephyr Jul 25 08:42:50 I'll get the gdb stuff up on the tablet and see what I can see... Jul 25 08:43:54 arnoo > there is mContact that is still in dev Jul 25 08:44:00 and not available yet Jul 25 08:44:08 mCalendar ... which is a dev version too :) Jul 25 08:44:19 but available in extras devel repository ... Jul 25 08:44:30 Doesn't gpe have a pim? Jul 25 08:44:43 Khertan: Do you know if there's some release date for those softs ? Jul 25 08:44:46 else : there is also gpe pim, or Date, Tasks, Todo, from pimlico Jul 25 08:44:55 arnooo > when i ll finish it :) Jul 25 08:45:08 Khertan : ;') Jul 25 08:45:17 i must add alarm to mCalendar Jul 25 08:45:31 and sometimes sync with google fails ... Jul 25 08:45:36 don't know why yet Jul 25 08:48:02 it s work for me ... but somes have errors :) Jul 25 08:50:09 yay planning for the summit is going forward! Jul 25 08:51:12 pim and maemo... Jul 25 08:51:31 by default you have Contacts which do not support birthdays, postal addresses... Jul 25 08:51:55 or you can install gpe pim which do not use maemo Contacts database so you get those data twice... Jul 25 08:51:57 hrw > you can resume by ... 'by default you have Contacts which do not support' Jul 25 08:52:30 or you can install pimlico contacts which share with maemo contacts + dates (no alarms) + tasks Jul 25 08:52:34 There's threads about that on the list or itt Jul 25 08:52:36 or Contact from pimlico that use eds ... and contact are shared between nokia contact and pimlico contact Jul 25 08:53:03 XTLi > there is a stupid post on tabletschool about it ... which list only gpe Jul 25 08:53:03 or you can try mcalendar which is only calendar now and I do not know does it works without google or not Jul 25 08:53:14 it works :) Jul 25 08:53:34 no error from google should happen now, since this morning :) Jul 25 08:53:38 Khertan see your PM Jul 25 08:53:44 hi all Jul 25 08:53:46 how can if stop the process : /usr/bin/osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs Jul 25 08:54:00 except some from low connection and reset by peer :) Jul 25 08:54:08 Gukil > ? Jul 25 08:54:27 I want pim which use contacts from maemo but allow to extend it with more fields + calendar which has working alarms, timezones, recurence, attenders, categories, colours Jul 25 08:54:58 hrw: I think that's what the sdk is for ;) Jul 25 08:55:05 lol Jul 25 08:55:32 hrw > mContact should provide sync with google ... but also with maemo eds ... Jul 25 08:55:44 but eds sync isn't a priority for me :) Jul 25 08:55:47 (nb.... so do I) Jul 25 08:55:56 at this time i work mainly on google sync ;) Jul 25 08:56:04 as i ven't any contact in eds :) Jul 25 08:56:05 Khertan: I do not care about google ;) Jul 25 08:56:20 and I use maemo contacts for IM/VoIP Jul 25 08:56:40 lbt: do I look like person with lot of free time? :) Jul 25 08:56:43 Likewise Jul 25 08:56:56 Hi, lately my n810 has been complaining theres no memory left when theres 900 some mb os space left, any way to resolve this? Jul 25 08:56:58 yes. Jul 25 08:57:08 hrw > you get more if you don't waste your time talking here :) Jul 25 08:57:11 Syncing contacts with im systems is nice Jul 25 08:57:14 it's 10am and you're on irc... say no more... Jul 25 08:57:32 lbt: irc in background is normal in my work Jul 25 08:57:43 Outside that I don't really care on a device like this Jul 25 08:57:46 Firebird8 > sudo rm -rf / Jul 25 08:57:55 -... Jul 25 08:58:01 Firebird8 > don't do this ... joke Jul 25 08:58:04 nvm then Jul 25 08:58:44 and I like to have all pim data on device not "somewhere online" as I am not online all the time Jul 25 08:59:43 Hi everyone Jul 25 09:00:10 Khertan > look your pv its urgent thx :) Jul 25 09:15:28 Morning Jul 25 09:16:51 Blafasel, hi Jul 25 09:22:07 good morning Jul 25 10:17:43 hmm, autobuilder isn't forwarding binaries to extras-devel... Jul 25 10:18:07 mikkov_: Which package? Jul 25 10:19:45 barrage and everythin build since sometime yesterday Jul 25 10:19:47 X-Fade > i ve the same problem with mCalendar Jul 25 10:19:52 homeip Jul 25 10:19:56 homecalendar Jul 25 10:20:01 Ok, let me check ;) Jul 25 10:20:03 euh not homecalendar Jul 25 10:20:08 sources are forwarded Jul 25 10:20:35 homecpuspeed/ 25.07.2008 06:01 - Jul 25 10:20:35 homediskfree/ 25.07.2008 06:01 - Jul 25 10:20:35 homememfree/ Jul 25 10:20:37 :) Jul 25 10:20:43 i think problem started since builder: builder2 Jul 25 10:20:58 appeared in logs Jul 25 10:21:07 yes ... as mcalendar previous version builded before has no prob Jul 25 10:22:12 There is nothing in the incoming queue. So let's see what happened ;) Jul 25 10:24:36 It seems that the files in the repository.. Jul 25 10:25:41 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/b/barrage/ Jul 25 10:25:54 I don't see it Jul 25 10:26:29 Ah, the files are there. But they aren't in the Package database. Jul 25 10:28:58 X-Fade > for homeip 0.1.0-1 there is no file in directory if i believe http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/h/ Jul 25 10:29:51 seems like that the directories don't show up even if they are there Jul 25 10:30:07 lbt Jul 25 10:30:19 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/h/homeip/ Jul 25 10:30:45 i see your app is vanishing, its not because of hardware events like the screensaver etc is it - ie you are not bailing out like liqbase does? Jul 25 10:30:58 (or rather i see your posting about your app vanishing) Jul 25 10:31:48 lcuk2: Nah, dbus can be a little picky. I wrote a wrong dbus service file and the navigator killed it. Jul 25 10:31:51 damn, back later Jul 25 10:32:02 ahhhhhh qwerty12 Jul 25 10:32:19 anyway, time for some food, and more importantly: COFFEE Jul 25 10:32:31 mmmm coffee Jul 25 10:32:39 * qwerty12 fires up the xbox and plays hot coffee Jul 25 10:32:48 * lcuk2 tells ur mum Jul 25 10:33:18 * crashanddie fires up the PS3 and shows qwerty12 how Next Gen games are *supposed* to look like... In true HD Jul 25 10:33:58 * lcuk2 wishes he could fire up his powervr and show you all how its meant to be done... Jul 25 10:34:10 PS3 would still pwn that Jul 25 10:35:02 you could cheat with a video stream Jul 25 10:35:16 ;) Jul 25 10:36:54 mikkov_: Better now? Jul 25 10:37:05 MangoFusion: ah, the noBounds approach to cool things. Jul 25 10:37:26 need to apt-get update.. Jul 25 10:37:26 * Jaffa was somewhat surprised someone suggested noBounds as a demo for the OSiM World booth. Jul 25 10:37:49 Jaffa: We already suggested it for LinuxTag. Jul 25 10:40:09 X-Fade: still doesn't work Jul 25 10:41:03 X-Fade: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/b/ no barrage Jul 25 10:41:06 mikkov_: Hmm ok, I now see the problem. The caching network. Jul 25 10:41:20 lol Jul 25 10:41:26 still this problem Jul 25 10:41:37 removing it could solve more than keep it :) Jul 25 10:41:47 X-Fade: should I wait a bit? Jul 25 10:42:11 x-fade > samething for homediskfree ? Jul 25 10:42:28 * Jaffa has filed noBounds squarely in the "mis-understood, mis-reported and doesn't do what people think" category Jul 25 10:43:34 mikkov_: If you are in a hurry, replace repository.m.o by stage.m.o ;) Jul 25 10:45:29 yes same things :) Jul 25 10:45:37 thx x-fade Jul 25 10:45:41 mikkov_: I will inform the caching network guys. Jul 25 10:45:54 X-Fade: just would like to announce this great game ;) thanks Jul 25 10:46:09 kick off them :) Jul 25 10:47:10 * mgedmin has flights to berlin confirmed Jul 25 10:47:19 mgedmin: Nice ;) Jul 25 10:47:26 kwel! Jul 25 10:47:28 mgedmin: Put it up on the Travel page ;) Jul 25 10:47:32 just did ;) Jul 25 10:47:36 Ah :D Jul 25 10:47:50 Jaffa, hehe. Jul 25 10:48:10 That's gonna be the disappointment of a lifetime the way some people are freaking out over it. Jul 25 10:48:48 GeneralAntilles: indeed Jul 25 10:50:05 yeah noBounds isn't anything that some people seem to think Jul 25 10:52:11 "Magical pixies can come along and give me smooth 3D rendering at HD resolutions... and cure world hunger, and the credit crisis" Jul 25 10:52:39 Really? Where? Jul 25 10:53:11 jaffa - not magical pixies, its most likely the xp operating system underneath Jul 25 10:53:14 its 2 apps running Jul 25 10:53:25 lcuk2: indeed, this *I* know ;-) Jul 25 10:53:49 liqbase could do similar compiled on 2 systems ;) im even playing with networking stuff atm Jul 25 10:55:03 jaffa, this vala stuff you are doing, it compiles back to native c doesnt it Jul 25 10:55:16 Hi ! again ! ;) Jul 25 10:56:05 i m tired of this gdata ... permanently get 'connection reset by peer' trying to get my contact ! Jul 25 10:56:21 lcuk2: yep Jul 25 10:56:24 only 20 contacts .... pfff Jul 25 10:56:46 jaffa, is there a build for armel? Jul 25 10:56:51 i ll paid someone to kill this moderator nammed 'peer' !!! :) Jul 25 10:57:14 ie can i compile natively Jul 25 10:57:15 Khertan_n810: We'll talk later... Jul 25 10:57:26 ? Jul 25 10:57:40 qwerty12> about ? Jul 25 10:57:43 I offer hitman services in my spare time Jul 25 10:57:51 * GeneralAntilles still thinks this needs to go, and fast: https://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_file_system_on_flash_card_partition Jul 25 10:57:52 Khertan_n810, i think qwerty12 means he will gather the pitchforks and go hunting out peer with you Jul 25 10:57:53 ah great ! Jul 25 10:57:55 :) Jul 25 10:58:06 If you can't be bothered to hit the shift key. . . . Jul 25 10:58:52 bbl Jul 25 11:01:39 lcuk2: yep, in extras-devel Jul 25 11:02:27 ouch reboot Jul 25 11:02:45 my tablet reboot without warning Jul 25 11:04:28 mikkov_, Khertan_n810: The repository cache is being purged now, it should be better for you in about 10 minutes. Jul 25 11:04:47 X-Fade: thanks Jul 25 11:05:01 x-fade > thx ! Jul 25 11:05:42 yep ok for the new version of mcalendar Jul 25 11:10:41 Khertan_n810: Can you upload a new version of a package to see if this problem doesn't come back? :) Jul 25 11:11:07 euh not no i ll go to eat Jul 25 11:11:24 Khertan_n810: No hurry. Jul 25 11:12:17 ok i ll post a new one around 18:00 gmt+2 Jul 25 11:13:26 Khertan_n810: Ok, I'll check to see if the cache is picking it up. Jul 25 11:13:43 oki Jul 25 11:16:54 Stupid caching servers. Jul 25 11:20:15 jaffa :) ill have a look then hopefully Jul 25 11:21:19 lcuk2: I've not tested it on the device, only in Scratchbox - but if you've got a C compiler it should Just Work. Jul 25 11:31:22 X-Fade: I uploaded to chinook builder and it seems to work Jul 25 11:32:22 X-Fade: or maybe I uploaded before the fix was done Jul 25 11:32:30 GeneralAntilles > everyone get problem with caching server ... more than gain ... but everyone use it Jul 25 11:33:12 Eh, well, the Nokia servers would be up in flames 24/7 without the caching network. Jul 25 11:33:59 I guess that the problem is not with the caching network, but with the configuration. Jul 25 11:36:40 jaffa, im just looking for something OO that might help with a few things, using c++ was actually too slow. ill see how it does when i get a free moment and report back Jul 25 11:39:00 lcuk2: Started to look at binding stuff, seems rather easy (for certain values of easy..). I'll try to set up scratchbox this weekend. Can I bug you with questions about getting the svn version to build and test? Jul 25 11:40:28 GeneralAntilles > hum ... we have a small server at work ... and with 9000 permanent connection to a middlewar Jul 25 11:40:30 GeneralAntilles > hum ... we have a small server at work ... and with 9000 permanent connection to a middleware Jul 25 11:40:36 binding what stuff? Jul 25 11:40:37 and we don't need caching Jul 25 11:40:54 khertan, not has quite a few more customers ;) Jul 25 11:40:59 nokia ^ Jul 25 11:41:16 i say connection ... Jul 25 11:41:25 lcuk2: The canvas stuff. Jul 25 11:41:29 nokia customers don't connect every minutes Jul 25 11:42:10 this is the advantage of our solutions compared to competitors ... Jul 25 11:42:24 one of our advantages :) Jul 25 11:43:03 khertan, with literally billions of customers worldwide would your server cope? sure specific single servers might not need the cache, but as a global technology approach the caching servers make sense Jul 25 11:43:42 http://gizmodo.com/5015395/apple-introduces-iphone-3g-videoconferencing-kit-zomg Jul 25 11:43:43 tablets-dev really needs to be fixed. Jul 25 11:43:44 lol Jul 25 11:43:45 even if a tiny fraction connect im sure 9000 is quite small Jul 25 11:43:56 The corrupt flasher downloads for WebKit users are bad juju Jul 25 11:44:25 is there a bugzilla bug for that? Jul 25 11:44:37 GeneralAntilles > sometimes with gecko too Jul 25 11:44:44 marcell_, yes. Jul 25 11:44:53 I think Quim cced you on it yesteday Jul 25 11:44:57 Maybe day before Jul 25 11:45:14 I will try to search for it and take a look Jul 25 11:45:16 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3290 Jul 25 11:45:25 thx Jul 25 11:47:09 This politically correct "herself" "she" stuff is lame. Jul 25 11:47:21 andre__, poke. :P Jul 25 11:47:26 https://bugs.maemo.org/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.html Jul 25 11:47:38 +1 Jul 25 11:47:45 they/themselves/etc is fine. Jul 25 11:47:50 should change that, yeah Jul 25 11:48:59 Is khertan here? I would like to thank him for helping me with python. Jul 25 11:49:14 andre__, how heavily are you gonna be working on that today/tomorrow Jul 25 11:49:31 I can take a crack at a more Maemo-specific draft sometime tonight if you want. . . . Jul 25 11:49:56 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1288 Jul 25 11:50:40 Ah, already done, I see. Jul 25 11:51:10 The GOOD: ... section needs a closing quotation mark Jul 25 11:51:51 "Product: In which product did you find the bug? Jul 25 11:51:51 You just specified this on the last page, so you can't edit it here." Jul 25 11:51:53 Confusing. Jul 25 11:52:49 "OS: On which Operating System (OS) did you find this bug? (e.g. Linux, Windows, Mac OS X.)" Jul 25 11:53:04 Could probably stand to be more clear on the correct use of "IT OS" there. Jul 25 11:53:07 oh yeah, give me feedback, but do it as a comment to the report :-) Jul 25 11:53:31 No, it's not about that. it really offers linux, windows, mac os. see yourself :) Jul 25 11:54:01 I know it does, but it doesn't mention IT OS at all Jul 25 11:54:04 Which it probably should Jul 25 11:54:09 . . . but I'm lazy Jul 25 11:54:12 and you're right here. Jul 25 11:54:21 You should drop everything you're doing now to listen to my suggestions. :P Jul 25 11:55:05 no, i will silently slip away to get some breakfast while you continue talking to me here ;-) Jul 25 11:57:05 what's the normal way to write this herself stuff when gender isn't known? just asking because my language doesn't have he/she stuff at all Jul 25 11:58:14 they ? Jul 25 11:58:37 or does "one" exist? which language is it? :) Jul 25 11:59:12 in a phrase like this "If an engineer can't see the bug herself to prove that it exists," Jul 25 11:59:41 If engineers can't see the bug themselves to prove that it exists Jul 25 12:01:07 if I don't want use plural? :) "one" neutral but is it norm for the native speakers? Jul 25 12:01:48 "One" is fairly formal. Which may, in fact, be okay for technical writing. Jul 25 12:03:47 when you learn the language in school, it is hard to know what is considered too formal in normal speech Jul 25 12:04:34 mikkov_, I know what you mean O_o Jul 25 12:04:56 Heh, yeah, in johnx's case, politeness really matters. Jul 25 12:05:21 derf, but there is such a thing as being so polite you seem distant Jul 25 12:05:27 johnx: Just be happy you aren't in Korea. They have two entirely orthogonal axes of politeness levels. Jul 25 12:07:57 derf, fair enough. I'm not even completely sure that I'm doing the right thing as it is. Jul 25 12:08:25 Yeah, you never are. Jul 25 12:08:33 Which is okay, because you probably aren't. Jul 25 12:09:20 GeneralAntilles: btw, how long do you think we should wait for a reporter's answer on moreinfo bugs before closing them as incomplete? i have 3 months in mind Jul 25 12:10:35 That sounds reasonable Jul 25 12:10:45 I don't really have a strong opinion on the subject, though. Jul 25 12:12:50 yeah, me neither :) Jul 25 12:13:05 going to add that to the triage guide i guess Jul 25 12:14:25 Maybe it should be shorter. The closed email will give people more incentive to go back to the bug ;) Jul 25 12:14:36 Alright, andre__, my revisions are in the bug. :P Jul 25 12:15:04 thanks! Jul 25 12:30:01 X-Fade, we ever figure out what the procedure is for removing old versions with other distributions? Jul 25 12:30:41 GeneralAntilles: Nope. Not yet. Jul 25 12:30:50 And no response to my question either ;) Jul 25 12:31:56 I'm still in favor of the "bribe X-Fade to keep old packages" solution. Jul 25 12:32:35 GeneralAntilles: If you look at debian, they do clean their repos. Jul 25 12:40:58 X-Fade: for my local repository i use reprepro, which makes adding and removing of packages quite easy. but i can't tell if this would help with the current setup... Jul 25 12:42:08 jott: Yeah, I checked reprepro. But that is completely different from what we have now. Jul 25 12:42:40 yes, i assumed that :( Jul 25 12:43:44 I was thinking of making a script that made a Packages file with only uniques. Move those files to a shadow repository and clean it that way. Jul 25 12:43:45 you could always use tools to recreate all the index files (Packages/Sources/...) from an existing directory structure.. Jul 25 12:44:27 X-Fade: no, i think it is not bad to keep older version, atleast 1-2 Jul 25 12:44:29 Work time, later all. Jul 25 12:44:51 GeneralAntilles: Later. Jul 25 12:45:18 jott: Well, I could repeat it 2 times to get the last 2 ;) Jul 25 12:45:55 But I need to make sure I don't break any dependencies. And that is tricky ;) Jul 25 12:50:54 Jaffa: Ping? Jul 25 12:52:22 X-Fade: pong Jul 25 12:52:51 Can you test flasher download on OS/X ? Jul 25 12:53:05 Jaffa: with safari pls Jul 25 12:53:09 not atm Jul 25 12:53:11 marcell_ has applied fixes. Jul 25 12:53:18 GeneralAntilles might be in OS X Jul 25 12:53:25 Anynody on OS X ?:) Jul 25 12:53:29 * Jaffa is in Ubuntu ATM and can't reboot as in middle of working :-) Jul 25 12:53:54 At least I can confirm that the trailing comma issue is fixed. Jul 25 12:55:56 X-Fade> i ve got the same error with ff3 ... on NuxOIUT (a specific linux distrib) Jul 25 12:56:23 so this was not specific to osx Jul 25 13:02:24 Khertan: btw, did you upload mCalendar to diablo or chinook extras-devel? Jul 25 13:04:54 diablo Jul 25 13:06:56 hi Jul 25 13:07:05 Khertan: hmm, OK I'll have another look Jul 25 13:07:11 For some reason my n810 is not recognizing either internal storage or removable storage Jul 25 13:09:58 hello? Jul 25 13:13:15 anyone? Jul 25 13:13:30 Tried rebooting? Jul 25 13:13:59 yeah Jul 25 13:14:01 several times Jul 25 13:14:02 F-i-G, what have you done and/or installed between when they last worked and now? Jul 25 13:14:12 well Jul 25 13:14:24 i put in some removable storage Jul 25 13:14:27 it recognized it Jul 25 13:14:31 i created a directory on it Jul 25 13:14:37 and then it didn't recognize it Jul 25 13:14:39 and yeah Jul 25 13:14:43 i went to sleep Jul 25 13:15:13 every time i open the file manager there's no internal or removable storage Jul 25 13:15:14 *Both* cards, btw? Jul 25 13:15:20 yeah. Jul 25 13:15:31 I'm kinda choked up now Jul 25 13:15:42 Tried reinserting the external one? Jul 25 13:15:54 numerous times Jul 25 13:16:04 What happens when you plug the N810 into a desktop PC (e.g. Windows or Linux)? Do they show up then? Jul 25 13:16:19 haven't tried that Jul 25 13:17:15 um Jul 25 13:17:20 doesn't seem to be recognizing it either Jul 25 13:17:37 Got a cardreader you can try? Jul 25 13:17:48 yeah Jul 25 13:17:53 Tried it in that? Jul 25 13:18:01 Will identify if it's the card or the N810 Jul 25 13:19:23 weird Jul 25 13:19:45 i have the n810 plugged in Jul 25 13:19:50 i can see everything on it etc Jul 25 13:20:31 yeah Jul 25 13:20:39 the cd card isn't being recognized Jul 25 13:21:57 sd rather Jul 25 13:24:26 its weird Jul 25 13:24:36 i don't see the internal storage on the n810 itself Jul 25 13:25:00 fuck Jul 25 13:25:02 well i have to go to work Jul 25 13:25:52 flash your firmware and u ll know if it s hardware or software Jul 25 13:26:30 backup first though right? Jul 25 13:26:49 does this backup/restore work well? Jul 25 13:28:05 F-i-G: you don't lose stuff, but my RSS reader is broken post-restore from chinook -> diablo. Jul 25 13:29:03 backup if you want but don't restore it to make test ... Jul 25 13:29:16 I'll talk to you guys when i get to workand try it out then Jul 25 13:29:19 see ya later Jul 25 13:29:20 restore once you know where this error come from Jul 25 13:34:54 lol ... someone have port thunderbird ... Jul 25 13:35:04 see itt news ... Jul 25 13:48:23 :o Jul 25 13:48:30 the maemo email client sucks Jul 25 13:48:35 thunderbird will be welcome Jul 25 13:49:25 modest is quite decent Jul 25 13:49:32 and i like claws-mail Jul 25 13:49:41 i'm afraid thunderbird will be rather slow Jul 25 13:49:46 having xul on maemo is interesting though Jul 25 13:50:00 dunno if i have the spare space to actually install that Jul 25 13:50:06 I need to buy a minisdhc Jul 25 13:50:32 easier to get microsdhc + adapter Jul 25 13:50:52 modest gets the job done yes, but in sometimes it seems a step back from osso-mail Jul 25 13:52:36 yeah, get a microsdhc and buy a microsd->minisd adapter on dealextreme.com Jul 25 13:52:59 modest is sluggish with my huge-ish imap account Jul 25 13:54:07 cant comment on imap as i dont have a account that support it, and i dont feel like signing up for gmail... Jul 25 13:55:13 Toba ... Jul 25 13:55:24 modest is a good mobile mail client Jul 25 13:58:18 i wonder why it keeps mail around on the device even after one have deleted them... Jul 25 13:59:24 has anyone any experience on using bluez to create a serial port connection to a bluetooth device? Jul 25 13:59:55 The bluez documentation is insufficient Jul 25 14:00:47 It's was very interesting reading the recent threads from pvanhoof etc on maemo-developers/-users talking about issues with Modest and tinymail. Lots of effort on initial architecture design which then ends up not being used by Modest, and not followed through to the rest of the app. Jul 25 14:01:06 Also, for a mobile app doing so much in a blocking way when network connections may be transient or flaky is just atrocious. Jul 25 14:01:24 Relax relax, modest had its priorities and those had to be solved first Jul 25 14:01:40 Annoyingly, Outlook's "cached mode" gets this right without having to specifically enter an "offline" mode Jul 25 14:01:42 Now that they are solved, nothing is stopping anybody to do a community contribution (modest's code is open) to improve Jul 25 14:02:26 Khertan: not if you want to set up ssl and all that. it has very simplistic configuration. Jul 25 14:02:31 pvanhoof: indeed. It seemed sad to me that your initial blog posts worrying about every single byte of memory seemed to not carry through the lifetime of the development. Jul 25 14:02:41 I guess it probably can do it, though. Jul 25 14:03:02 Jaffa, modest is behaving quite good on network consumption Jul 25 14:03:18 Its current problem is a large file being rewritten every 5000 headers Jul 25 14:03:45 On features, it would be nice if it would support things like CONVERT, but most IMAP servers don't yet have this either Jul 25 14:04:11 About header downloads, it would be nice if it would selectively download headers in focus first Jul 25 14:04:22 So that you scroll and those that should be visible, are immediately fetched Jul 25 14:04:27 And for that pipelining is much needed Jul 25 14:04:51 All three things are tinymail things rather than modest things, although for the last modest would need to give tinymail some hints about its scroll position Jul 25 14:05:17 So, you can join the tinymail project and contribute solutions for this, both tinymail and modest are 100% open softwares Jul 25 14:05:20 how about delete on server for pop users that download headers only? Jul 25 14:05:39 So together we can make this work, Jaffa. Just know that Nokia did not have these priorities at first Jul 25 14:05:46 that doesn't mean that they are blocking them Jul 25 14:05:52 pvanhoof: I'm not too worried about network usage (although I'm slightly paying per byte), but more of recognising that a really decent email client on a mobile device needs to handle network issues - and ideally be usable without any network at all. Jul 25 14:06:08 Modest can work without any network Jul 25 14:06:35 pvanhoof: Oh, I know I want the moon on a stick - but I've higher priority interests elsewhere than hacking on modest & tinymail, I'm afraid. Jul 25 14:06:53 Jaffa, then please don't whine Jul 25 14:07:24 Nobody is stopping you , and if it's really important you can pay people to do it for you too Jul 25 14:07:35 pvanhoof: oh sod off. On my projects I'm not egotistical enough to assume that if someone's not willing or able (for whatever reason) to contribute a fix that their opinion doesn't matter. Jul 25 14:07:58 Not saying your opinion doesn't, just saying that there are many opinions and many priorities Jul 25 14:08:07 And that your priorities were not the top ones for Nokia Jul 25 14:08:14 Did I say my opinion was most important? Jul 25 14:08:24 But just like with any other free software project, you can add weight to your opinion using code Jul 25 14:08:33 *Obviously* making it possible to mangage your email offline wasn't a priority for Nokia: cos it doesn't work. Jul 25 14:08:48 Managing email offline should work, and is a priority Jul 25 14:08:54 So just file bugs if it's not working Jul 25 14:09:29 Perhaps it makes the network management ask if you want to go online, just answer no Jul 25 14:09:52 Emails that have been retrieved already will be available, the ones that have not yet been .. will make it ask if you want to go online to fetch it Jul 25 14:10:09 We can't magically put the email on your device, so that's the wanted and expected behaviour Jul 25 14:10:40 If it behaves different, then that sounds like a bug. File it, perhaps attach a patch that fixes it too Jul 25 14:34:00 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3490 "Software update notifier applet drains battery" - anybody else who has seen this? Jul 25 14:38:04 hmm, something tells me that its not only about the update notifier. im starting to suspect that my battery life issue comes from my use of load applet Jul 25 14:38:30 I have loadapplet and long batlife Jul 25 14:38:35 do maemo "suspend" the running of its applets when going into a prolonged unused state? Jul 25 14:38:55 t_s_o: no, the applets have to react. Jul 25 14:39:07 hmm? Jul 25 14:39:42 t_s_o: they have to stop updating when the system signals idle mode or e.g. display shutdown. Jul 25 14:40:02 ok Jul 25 14:40:16 the statusbarclock might still have that kind of an issue as well, I'll update it this weekend... Jul 25 14:40:27 and the same is true for "desktop" applets as well? Jul 25 14:40:33 t_s_o: I'd guess so. Jul 25 14:41:16 funny, i just had the desktop reset on my, but without reseting the applets... Jul 25 14:41:18 t_s_o: whenever you operate with time-based events (vs. events due to external influences) you should stop updating when the display shuts down or the system goes idle. Jul 25 14:42:18 ok Jul 25 14:43:20 if there was some kind of tool for testing of this behavior is being upheld, and it was easy to use for people on the forum and similar, i think doing battery drain hunting would be a bit easier Jul 25 14:44:12 hum ... this is why my applet drain battery :) Jul 25 14:44:18 no check of screen die Jul 25 14:44:30 what applet is that? Jul 25 14:44:43 but it should be normally send by the pyhton binding ... in the background event ... Jul 25 14:44:48 but it s not the case Jul 25 14:45:05 t_s_o > homeip, homediskfree, home* Jul 25 14:45:09 ah :) Jul 25 14:45:52 i cant keep up with the nicknames of all the people writing interesting things for maemo ;) Jul 25 14:46:09 lol Jul 25 14:46:18 retains only one ... Jul 25 14:46:40 infobot :) Jul 25 14:46:41 (: Jul 25 14:47:20 btw, i seem to have gotten hold of a large desktop clock recenty, but with a very strange name in the applet list ;) Jul 25 14:48:30 there are times when i wish there was a duplicate entry checker for app manager repo list... Jul 25 14:51:05 Khertan: isnt background-event sent when screen goes off? Jul 25 14:52:41 mikkov_ > wasn't the case in chinook Jul 25 14:52:57 but ... it s true that my applet haven't drain battery since diablo Jul 25 14:53:25 Can someone recommend a place to buy an 8GB microsdcard ? Jul 25 14:53:29 so to be sure in need to test Jul 25 14:53:33 the one i bought isn't working Jul 25 14:53:42 lol Jul 25 14:53:43 I've tried it on 3 different devices. Jul 25 14:53:46 not on ebay Jul 25 14:53:49 try amazon Jul 25 14:53:51 I got this via amazon Jul 25 14:53:53 :P Jul 25 14:54:02 it was a third party seller Jul 25 14:54:04 real amazon ... not amazon auction Jul 25 14:54:10 or third party seller Jul 25 14:54:17 Yeah, that's what I did. Jul 25 14:54:27 I guess I'll just wait and have them send me a new one Jul 25 14:59:47 zfigz, hang on, you have an N810 right ? Jul 25 14:59:54 Yeah Jul 25 15:00:04 I'm guessing it's a microsd with an adapter ? Jul 25 15:00:10 It read my microSD for a second Jul 25 15:00:23 and then it didn't recognize it any longer and I thought my n810 was screwed Jul 25 15:00:26 so yeah Jul 25 15:00:34 I heard there were problems with SanDisk adapters from micro to mini Jul 25 15:00:37 I tried the card on 2 computers and it doesn't show up Jul 25 15:00:45 well I tried the card on computers Jul 25 15:00:53 with another adapter ? Jul 25 15:00:58 nomis > i confirm in diablo python binding to hindon desktop send a background event when screen idle Jul 25 15:01:25 confirmed by looking source, and test case :) Jul 25 15:01:32 boo all Jul 25 15:01:56 yeah Jul 25 15:02:01 sandisk sdhc thing again? Jul 25 15:02:02 Using the regular adaptor with the usb deal Jul 25 15:02:06 yeah Jul 25 15:02:36 You can fix it by using palin sd card adapter from sandisk with your sdhc card Jul 25 15:02:47 s/palin/plain/ Jul 25 15:02:47 RST38h meant: You can fix it by using plain sd card adapter from sandisk with your sdhc card Jul 25 15:03:16 what is the goal of something like jaiku ... Jul 25 15:03:18 just buy an extra 1gb card from sandisk - they are dirt cheap Jul 25 15:03:27 i don't understand what is the benefit Jul 25 15:03:46 Khertan: create buzz, be bought out by google Jul 25 15:03:53 lol Jul 25 15:04:01 i mean for user :) Jul 25 15:04:06 and user using it Jul 25 15:04:12 it is what web 2.0 is all about Jul 25 15:04:24 users do not matter Jul 25 15:04:30 true Jul 25 15:04:32 because it is all free Jul 25 15:06:00 All this time, all the money, all the technology, and still not a single company with KILL ALL PEOPLE as the corporate goal Jul 25 15:08:57 I bet Frys sells them cheap Jul 25 15:10:14 mikkov_: No repository problems with your newer versions? Jul 25 15:12:18 Khertan: yeah, there are libosso functions where you can register a callback. Jul 25 15:12:27 rm_you: Congrats! :) Jul 25 15:13:08 The statusbarclock just stumbled a bit, since osso_hw_set_display_event_cb() apparently is new in chinook or something. Otherwise I would not have omitted its use :) Jul 25 15:23:56 python powa ! Jul 25 15:23:57 :) Jul 25 15:23:58 ye Jul 25 15:24:00 bye Jul 25 15:30:12 have a nice evening/weekend guys Jul 25 15:43:54 hrw|gone, you too, take care Jul 25 15:58:34 there is a package rate application Jul 25 15:58:38 in repository Jul 25 15:59:00 where does the voting result go ? Jul 25 15:59:05 on maemo.org ? Jul 25 16:00:48 Trying my first scratchbox install.. Jul 25 16:00:50 hum maemo-launcher crash again Jul 25 16:01:21 it seems i ve found the faulty application Jul 25 16:01:24 x-chat Jul 25 16:03:09 ok Jul 25 16:03:24 oops - wrong window - sorry :) Jul 25 16:03:27 johnx: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/25/analyst-says-android-and-symbian-to-merge-nokia-and-google-to-g/ :-D Jul 25 16:04:13 summatusmentis, O_o Jul 25 16:04:15 eh? Jul 25 16:04:44 lol Jul 25 16:04:50 someone is suggesting android and Nokia's new OSS symbian are gonna merge Jul 25 16:05:06 analyst say many idiots things Jul 25 16:05:31 I don't believe merge...but some kind of app compatibility layer might be possible since android apps act at such a high level Jul 25 16:06:44 it'll be interesting nonetheless Jul 25 16:07:15 android doesn t target armel right ? Jul 25 16:09:21 Khertan_n810, errr? eh? Jul 25 16:09:26 yes, it does Jul 25 16:09:46 but the apps written for it aren't compiled into binaries, they're compiled into bytecode IIRC Jul 25 16:10:05 bytecode ? Jul 25 16:10:13 they use a vm ? Jul 25 16:10:30 they're written in Java essentially Jul 25 16:10:41 ouch Jul 25 16:10:44 Davlik is what Google calls it Jul 25 16:10:50 stupid idea Jul 25 16:11:01 well, we'll see I guess Jul 25 16:11:23 armel is not really powerfull Jul 25 16:11:30 the idea is all the speed dependent stuff happens at a lower level in C/ASM Jul 25 16:11:32 so with java between Jul 25 16:11:53 it's not full Java, I believe. it's supposed to be pretty lightweight Jul 25 16:12:05 i hope device will be correctly ram sized :) Jul 25 16:12:09 seems to run ok on a zaurus Jul 25 16:12:54 so Jul 25 16:13:20 with how amount of ram used ? Jul 25 16:13:36 well, less than 64MB Jul 25 16:14:05 we'll see if they get that reduced by the time they release it Jul 25 16:14:23 yes it s still in developpment Jul 25 16:14:53 when i see how google manage their internal data i don't doubt about their dev Jul 25 16:15:25 i found strange that they haven t use more python for android Jul 25 16:15:46 johnx: you've tried android on a Z? Jul 25 16:16:31 summatusmentis, yeah. I'll reserve judgement until I see a version of it that's actually meant to run on real hardware Jul 25 16:17:04 I'll say it has the potential to be a nice phone OS, but I don't think it's a great general purpose OS Jul 25 16:17:36 ah, I see Jul 25 16:17:45 :) Jul 25 16:17:50 same thing Jul 25 16:18:09 but then again, I have certain requirements for stability from a phone OS Jul 25 16:18:34 just like I'd flip out if my washer crashed or my cars ECU died :) Jul 25 16:20:38 * MangoFusion crashes Jul 25 16:21:29 * johnx sleeps Jul 25 16:25:49 android is not an os Jul 25 16:25:58 it is a set of java apis Jul 25 16:26:03 4127 user SW 134M 1307 0.0108.4 browserd Jul 25 16:26:07 ouch nice top Jul 25 16:26:33 browserd is known for doing it Jul 25 16:27:07 hum why is it s purpose Jul 25 16:27:38 it is a resident part of microb Jul 25 16:27:44 what the goal of this daemon ? Jul 25 16:27:59 make microb start faster Jul 25 16:28:00 caches web pages afaik Jul 25 16:28:18 RST38h, I'm pretty sure it's just for caching the browser, not pages Jul 25 16:28:19 usually just takes memory and sometimes cpu though Jul 25 16:28:24 yes cache is really needed when microb isn t launch Jul 25 16:28:32 Khertan_n810, the line from top isn't really true though Jul 25 16:28:45 johnx: seems to change in size as you load more pages Jul 25 16:28:47 an other great idea like metalayer-crawler Jul 25 16:28:51 look at htop I think for more accurate stats Jul 25 16:28:56 johnx > of course Jul 25 16:29:11 RST38h, well, it's the actual browser engine, but the PID changes when you open a new window Jul 25 16:29:25 there is a guy named timeless on this channel Jul 25 16:29:33 * johnx really sleeps Jul 25 16:29:38 he is the guy behind browserd Jul 25 16:29:40 where can i found htop ? Jul 25 16:30:04 johnx: why do I need a resident browser engine? Jul 25 16:30:14 who is the faulty guy to kill which decided to make all this daemon ? Jul 25 16:31:07 rant-mode active? ;) Jul 25 16:31:11 timeless .... grrrr i ll say what i think of his idea to made an other daemon Jul 25 16:31:37 Blafasel > a bit too much today Jul 25 16:32:00 there is also a rant for peer Jul 25 16:32:41 the peer that closes connections? Jul 25 16:32:48 Hello there Jul 25 16:33:10 rst38h yes this one Jul 25 16:33:27 that kill all the time my gdata connection Jul 25 16:33:39 KILL IT BEFORE IT GETS YOU Jul 25 16:35:08 yes Jul 25 16:35:19 but i can t found it Jul 25 16:35:51 and haven t enought nuclear weapon to strike entire earth Jul 25 16:37:18 well, you can always decide to leave the bit you're standing on alone Jul 25 16:38:03 lack of generality is bad design mgedmin Jul 25 16:40:24 I've got to say maemo.org is really naff to navigate Jul 25 16:40:35 I'm just trying to install maemo mapper Jul 25 16:40:42 it's not in the app manager Jul 25 16:40:53 so I went to maemo.org Jul 25 16:40:56 it's dog slow Jul 25 16:41:06 I click on downloads, mapper and see the pagew Jul 25 16:41:20 no download link - but there's an obvious green 2008 button Jul 25 16:41:28 cool it knows I'm on 2008, click Jul 25 16:41:31 homepage Jul 25 16:41:34 WTF? Jul 25 16:41:55 Why the hell should clicking 2008 take me to a generic homepage Jul 25 16:42:03 maemo mapper is in the extras repository Jul 25 16:42:27 the maemo.org catalog is a bit of an EPIC FAIL now that OS2008 means both chinook and diablo, but the distros are different Jul 25 16:42:43 s/distros/repositories/ Jul 25 16:42:44 mgedmin meant: the maemo.org catalog is a bit of an EPIC FAIL now that OS2008 means both chinook and diablo, but the repositories are different Jul 25 16:42:47 fair enough - but I'm not that thick Jul 25 16:42:53 and its friggin hard!!! Jul 25 16:43:04 I run god knows how many linux distros Jul 25 16:43:10 I want this to be easy Jul 25 16:43:22 it is *NOT* easy Jul 25 16:43:25 it hurts Jul 25 16:43:29 yes Jul 25 16:43:41 HOWL!!!! Jul 25 16:43:42 I believe you can report website bugs somewhere Jul 25 16:43:46 productive howl Jul 25 16:44:04 browse all apps - 'cos I don't know which frickin category it might be in Jul 25 16:44:14 there's a search box in the corner Jul 25 16:44:24 I tried free - nope Jul 25 16:44:31 I tried maemo apps - nope Jul 25 16:44:48 user navigation? Jul 25 16:45:03 lol Jul 25 16:45:03 well maemo-mapper-topomaps-fi is there Jul 25 16:45:12 and agps-ui Jul 25 16:45:21 so how come mapper isn't Jul 25 16:45:42 I'm running Diablo Jul 25 16:45:54 maybe I need chinook extras still Jul 25 16:46:01 mutter, rant, mutter Jul 25 16:46:04 For? Jul 25 16:46:21 lbt, hehe, same here. i used chinnok extras for mplayer, maemo-mapper, doenst help ;) Jul 25 16:46:26 yes its in chinook extras Jul 25 16:46:30 but others, i will wait Jul 25 16:46:52 "doenst help" means, "there is no other way" Jul 25 16:46:54 gnuite's on vacation Jul 25 16:46:58 you can do it without problems Jul 25 16:47:08 So unless somebody else packages it up. . . . Jul 25 16:47:18 lbt, if there will be a diablo version, it updates automatically Jul 25 16:47:21 do it Jul 25 16:47:29 source is available Jul 25 16:47:42 after insatlling maemo mapper from chinook extras, just disable this repo again Jul 25 16:47:44 I didn't think this was Gentoo ;) Jul 25 16:47:52 eichi > automatically no , but u ll be noticed Jul 25 16:48:03 Khertan_n810, you got it man Jul 25 16:48:20 lbt > maybe you want a setup.exe Jul 25 16:48:26 :P Jul 25 16:48:28 for each application Jul 25 16:48:35 or a install.msi Jul 25 16:48:47 yes I do Jul 25 16:48:47 without update checking Jul 25 16:48:54 depandancies checking Jul 25 16:49:03 frankly it's an area that linux needs to improve Jul 25 16:49:12 update checking is for nerds... a app has to run, thats all Jul 25 16:49:14 without conflicting app checking Jul 25 16:49:18 Ubuntu is good like that Jul 25 16:49:22 some crashes a natural and have to be Jul 25 16:49:31 eichi > lol Jul 25 16:49:50 this nerd that install app for other system Jul 25 16:49:50 ops i have to go Jul 25 16:49:56 arriving at the train station Jul 25 16:49:57 wait that is availablr Jul 25 16:49:57 bye Jul 25 16:49:58 bakc to root shell and apt then.... Jul 25 16:50:06 ttfn Jul 25 16:50:08 or, wrong one ;) Jul 25 16:50:57 i think ll really need a specific #maemo-dev for developpers Jul 25 16:51:19 Khertan_n810: nah, plenty of devs hang here Jul 25 16:51:21 s/ll / we Jul 25 16:51:24 what's the issue? Jul 25 16:52:20 loosing time hearing user complaining about debian apt system Jul 25 16:52:27 phht Jul 25 16:52:46 hehe Jul 25 16:52:50 actually I edited sources.list, ran apt stuff and it's installing Jul 25 16:53:01 lol Jul 25 16:53:12 I'm complaining that that is a bug! Jul 25 16:53:34 not a bug, just not available yet Jul 25 16:53:34 it *shouldn't* be quicker/easier to go to a ssh and run apt Jul 25 16:56:11 guess what? There is a reason that there still exists command-lines, and some of us actually prefer it in many cases. Jul 25 16:56:53 and yes - there is and *will* be many cases where the command line is quicker and even easier, once you know how to. Jul 25 16:57:05 fine - that's the stated aim of systems like Gentoi Jul 25 16:57:12 s/oi/oo/ Jul 25 16:57:12 lbt meant: fine - that's the stated aim of systems like Gentoo Jul 25 16:57:31 but Diablo et al have a stated aim of non-expert ease of use. Jul 25 16:57:49 sure. And making the gui better is always good. Jul 25 16:57:51 your argument is fine but not relevant in this instance :) Jul 25 16:58:32 heck - I don't know how to use most of the gui controls Jul 25 16:58:44 occasionally I see someone use one and think "that's cool" Jul 25 16:58:53 then go back to emacs/shell... Jul 25 16:59:01 bye Jul 25 16:59:05 bye Jul 25 17:21:08 Jaffa: You don't happen to have a second, right? I'd love to install vala to my scratchbox environment. I found your thread, but being completely new to this scratchbox thing I wonder if I just add the extras-devel repository. And if the x86 version is somewhere as well Jul 25 17:25:21 Blafasel: add extras-devel to your scratchbox, apt-get update, apt-get install valac. Both x86 & armel versions in extras-devel Jul 25 17:25:43 for j in '-src'; do for i in '-devel'; do Jul 25 17:25:43 echo "deb$j http://repository.maemo.org/extras$i diablo free non-free" >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/extras-repo.list Jul 25 17:25:43 done; done Jul 25 17:25:47 apt-get update && apt-get install valac Jul 25 17:27:22 * GAN800 really is not having a fun time with the soft poweroff nonsense. Jul 25 17:28:06 Thank you Jul 25 17:29:32 Blafasel: Added to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/Developing_with_Vala Jul 25 17:30:05 Great Jul 25 17:30:31 * GAN800 really _really_ loves that double-keypress can be set up to ENABLE soft poweroff but can't disable it. Jul 25 17:30:39 Awesomely broken by design. Jul 25 17:31:00 'We're going to make this intentionally as stupid as possible' Jul 25 17:31:07 Typically Nokia. Jul 25 17:32:54 It's so telling of exactly what a waste of time Bugzilla really is when the recommended method of requesting new features is to ATTEND CONFERENCES AND SEEK OUT PRODUCT MANAGERS. Jul 25 17:36:40 * GAN800 sighs https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3461#c3 Jul 25 17:40:04 What does softpoweroff buy you over offline mode except some small battery savings? Jul 25 17:40:13 GAN800: All the more reason to get your a** over here in Sept ;) Jul 25 17:40:42 brontide, convenience. Jul 25 17:40:53 one button press. Jul 25 17:42:20 One button lock and offline? Jul 25 17:45:25 X-Fade, you just want patches for the CSS for the wiki? Jul 25 17:45:31 brontide, yes. Jul 25 17:45:44 check out /etc/mce/mce.ini Jul 25 17:46:11 GAN800: Or tell me what you want fixed. Jul 25 17:47:54 Is it possible to link the n800 up with a phone, via bluetooth or other, and send text messages? Jul 25 17:48:03 X-Fade, load it in MicroB. :P Jul 25 17:48:14 or WebKit. Jul 25 17:49:27 GAN800: We should move the styles to wiki.m.o, so there aren't any ssl warnings.. Jul 25 17:49:34 Of course if they opened mce we could easily add lock and offline as one of the options Jul 25 17:50:06 we are left scratching out heads trying to do workarounds for a rather trivial enhancement Jul 25 17:50:15 GAN800: It doesn't look too bad in microb to me? Jul 25 17:52:09 overlapping elements Jul 25 17:52:26 The user stuff up in the upper right goes offscreen. Jul 25 17:53:01 Front page hot topics box overlaps the menu. Jul 25 17:56:51 lol, 'crap..' :) Jul 25 17:58:36 Ha Jul 25 17:59:23 too much css makes your browser sick Jul 25 18:00:11 and btw, I have finally found a way to read itt on the tablet Jul 25 18:00:48 Better than goddamn tables. Jul 25 18:01:47 better but also leaving more opportunities to screw up Jul 25 18:02:19 RST38h: If only all browsers do css the same way ;) Jul 25 18:02:20 better if you can afford the processing power Jul 25 18:03:23 * GAN800 loves that Gecko decides that scaling should also make 1px == 2px Jul 25 18:03:51 lcuk2, where's my content? :P Jul 25 18:04:04 damn good point actually Jul 25 18:04:26 :$ i have been busy with head in code n packaging n stuff Jul 25 18:04:47 What about a little custom css chrome lovin' http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=198087&postcount=15 Jul 25 18:05:55 xfade: that too, but the same is true for tables Jul 25 18:06:28 brontide, i think thats the most remarkable thing i think ive ever seen (since getting home at least ;) ) does it noticable speed up scrolling etc since everything is gone Jul 25 18:15:55 Wow, XChat does not work terribly wonderfully on the N810, interface-wise :/. Are there better options or am I going to end up compiling irssi? Jul 25 18:16:07 rtcomm beta Jul 25 18:16:47 Atarii, I haven't tried rtcomm yet. It supports IRC? Jul 25 18:16:52 yes Jul 25 18:17:14 hi guys Jul 25 18:17:15 Wow. Hooray for libpurple! Jul 25 18:21:46 Is there an ad blocker for the mozilla browser on maemo? Jul 25 18:24:12 adblock has been ported Jul 25 18:30:24 Wow, looks like flashblock has been ported too. That'll be useful. Jul 25 18:31:28 Woo Jul 25 18:31:29 Awesome Jul 25 18:31:35 This is such a neat platform :) (just got my n810 two days ago) Jul 25 18:31:37 Atarii, anay idea where I can get that? Jul 25 18:31:45 Calla, yeah...it's pretty sweet Jul 25 18:31:49 zfigz, google for microb adblock Jul 25 18:31:51 I'm downloading a torrent on mine now Jul 25 18:35:21 Do you guys know if you can unrar .rar files on maemo? Jul 25 18:35:49 Of course Jul 25 18:36:22 You only have to install the package 'unrar' Jul 25 18:40:02 I don't see unrar in the application manager Jul 25 18:41:35 it might be in extras Jul 25 18:43:27 Hm. Is there any way to get the included xterm to use Dejavu Sans Mono? It doesn't show up in my font list despite installing ttf-dejavu Jul 25 18:44:23 Callahad, fc-cache Jul 25 18:45:03 GAN800, I think the cache is fine; I'm using Dejavu Sans in Xchat right now Jul 25 18:45:33 Also, ack, is there a way to more permanantly disable the annoying typing autocompletion bar when I'm using a bluetooth keyboard? :/ Jul 25 18:46:21 Callahad: Yes, there is a setting in the control panel Jul 25 18:46:33 I have it turned off on my n810 Jul 25 18:46:44 Hm. I must have missed it. *goes back to check* Jul 25 18:47:56 Ah, there we go. Jul 25 18:48:15 Callahad: text input settings -> languages -> settings and uncheck next word prediction and completion and it should go away. Jul 25 18:50:01 brontide, Thank you. Is there a better resource for these things aside from bugging people in IRC? All I really know about are the maemo wiki and ITT Jul 25 18:50:42 heh, not really. Learn how to use the google search box on the home page of iTT is about the best there is Jul 25 18:51:37 I guess I'll be adding to the wiki, then. Once I get a handle on things. Jul 25 18:52:06 Yeah, can't find unrar Jul 25 18:52:07 mmm Jul 25 18:52:37 Gronmayer.it Jul 25 18:53:16 That web has got a large db of repos Jul 25 18:53:57 Sorry, www.gronmayer.com/it Jul 25 18:54:03 IS that the link to find unrar? Jul 25 18:54:33 woah Jul 25 18:54:35 a lot of repos Jul 25 18:55:14 In the right type unrar in search box Jul 25 18:56:51 thanks binky Jul 25 18:57:33 You're welcome ^^ Jul 25 19:00:35 Should I just delete all my repos and just add all of these? Jul 25 19:01:00 probably not :) Jul 25 19:10:33 debian arm package is compatible to maemo/os2008 Jul 25 19:10:53 no Jul 25 19:10:57 :/ Jul 25 19:11:04 i need onde ppp dialer Jul 25 19:11:15 wvdial for maemo Jul 25 19:12:35 smyows: get the deb source (.dsc .tar .diff files), then run dpkg-source -x *.dsc go into the dir and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jul 25 19:12:57 ok Jul 25 19:12:59 thx Jul 25 19:13:13 (in scratchbox, of course) Jul 25 19:14:31 o> Jul 25 19:15:47 my powered hub hack and my new kernel works, my 3g with usbserial modem works too, i need only dialer now :D Jul 25 19:16:26 i think there are options besides wvdial. is on internettablettalk.com forums i think Jul 25 19:22:03 Hey Jul 25 19:22:23 Does anyone know how to dial numbers while on a call using the comm app on the n810 Jul 25 19:22:23 hmm Jul 25 19:22:24 ? Jul 25 19:22:36 There's no dial pad Jul 25 19:22:38 really annoying Jul 25 19:22:42 There must be a way Jul 25 19:22:46 or that'd be "really" stupid Jul 25 19:23:15 sweet Jul 25 19:23:17 i got it Jul 25 19:26:46 what Jul 25 19:32:58 Hey, I just got an n810. Is there a way to disable that panel that appears across the bottom when you type on the built-in keyboard when you start typing? Jul 25 19:34:05 jeward, Hah, I asked that literally half an hour ago Jul 25 19:34:10 :) Jul 25 19:34:16 You just get yours too? Jul 25 19:34:31 Yep - two days ago Jul 25 19:34:40 The $300 CompUSA deal was too good to pass up Jul 25 19:34:40 I went to all this trouble sizing the vncserver just right and then the first time I type, it's all for naught! Jul 25 19:34:47 You got that right! Jul 25 19:34:49 :) Jul 25 19:34:59 Hey, the light sensor picks up infrared Jul 25 19:35:00 I'm doing vnc over openvpn. Jul 25 19:35:03 Anyway, check out the control panel under text input Jul 25 19:35:14 Over in dictionaries, hit settings Jul 25 19:35:30 Disable word prediction/completion/etc Jul 25 19:35:49 Oh, too bad, I like that feature. :-) Jul 25 19:36:07 I just don't want to give up the screen real estate! Jul 25 19:36:24 jeward, You can either have the autocompletion, or have the space back :p Jul 25 19:36:31 You can temporarily disable it with Shift+Space Jul 25 19:36:44 But that only lasts until you open and close the keyboard again Jul 25 19:37:20 I'll do without it for now. Thanks! Jul 25 19:37:40 Any ketboard shortcuts to enable it? Jul 25 19:37:44 keyboard Jul 25 19:37:56 Not that I've found yet Jul 25 19:38:08 I'm still trying to get my bluetooth keyboard working completely properly with Diablo Jul 25 19:38:44 I was driving mine from my laptop via ssh last night. :-) Jul 25 19:39:13 For what it's worth, this is just about right: vncserver -geometry 800x420 -depth 16 Jul 25 19:39:50 jwm seems to be a pretty good 1 button X window manager for this purpose. Jul 25 19:40:00 Heh, right now I'm shelled into my box at home setting up some backups in preparation for a reformat when I get off work. It's nice to be able to go both ways to and from the N810 Jul 25 19:40:30 Did you get the latest OS? Jul 25 19:40:40 I flashed mine last night, twice. ;) Jul 25 19:40:40 Yep Jul 25 19:40:51 I'll be reflashing this thing tonight, too Jul 25 19:40:52 Are these things cool, or WHAT? Jul 25 19:41:17 Or, word of warning, the LCARS theme is... not useable. Jul 25 19:41:28 Planning on setting up Scratchbox so I can try a ton of applications in a sandbox before comitting them to the device Jul 25 19:41:41 The application manager is black text on black background, for instance. Jul 25 19:41:45 Easily the coolest device I've owned Jul 25 19:41:53 Scratchbox? Jul 25 19:41:58 Scratchbox? Jul 25 19:41:59 * jeward googles Jul 25 19:42:00 The unix dev environment Jul 25 19:42:17 help people :D libwvbase.so: undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetTextRelBase' Jul 25 19:42:21 basically hildon in a vm Jul 25 19:42:29 How cool is that? :) Jul 25 19:43:34 Hm. Or is scratchbox the right term? Eh, whatever the dev vm is. Jul 25 19:43:35 scratchbox 2 is better? Jul 25 19:43:41 when compile wvstreams Jul 25 19:43:49 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2 Jul 25 19:44:49 Can you expand the status bar? Jul 25 19:44:52 anyone have another ppp dial for maemo? Jul 25 19:45:00 jeward, Have you tried out Maemo Mapper yet? Jul 25 19:45:10 I hate the more lil' apps you have in the stat bar it just makes a lil' arrow to extend them down. Jul 25 19:46:11 Callahad: I haven't gotten a GPS location yet. Jul 25 19:46:21 Apparently I need to take it outside. :) Jul 25 19:46:48 Can anyone recommend a theme? Jul 25 19:46:54 I'm using Hendrika Jul 25 19:47:00 I have it jumping between home and work wifi and bluetooth dun however! Jul 25 19:47:12 I recommend against LCARS theme., Jul 25 19:47:22 I'm using echo. Jul 25 19:47:32 It's pretty slick. It'll batch-fetch and cache map tiles for OpenStreetMap, Google Maps, Yahoo Maps, etc. Jul 25 19:48:11 It'll also fetch and save routes from the net. So you can have a decent set of maps without an active connection (or using Nokia Maps, which is horrid) Jul 25 19:48:45 I'll have to try that! Jul 25 19:49:25 the gps isn't terribly active Jul 25 19:49:37 you have to use A GPS to get it to work well Jul 25 19:49:48 well, not Jul 25 19:49:48 WOOHOO! Jul 25 19:49:53 !!!!!!!!!!!! Jul 25 19:49:54 lcuk2: Jul 25 19:49:57 jott: Jul 25 19:49:59 GeneralAntilles: Jul 25 19:50:04 ou! Plankton is nice Jul 25 19:50:09 you have to use new maemo-mapper Jul 25 19:50:09 "we have accepted your sponsorship request for Maemo Summit:" Jul 25 19:50:36 rm_you, Congrats! Jul 25 19:50:41 !! :P Jul 25 19:50:42 yes Jul 25 19:50:48 lcuk2: see you there :P Jul 25 19:51:09 :) excellent, bring an updated book reader with you :P Jul 25 19:51:21 rm_you: Hoorj. Jul 25 19:51:25 by the way, anybody can get built-in GPRS working with maemo-mapper without first launching the Mapper application? Jul 25 19:51:27 What version of Maemo Mapper is the latest? Jul 25 19:51:28 rm_you: 17:12 < X-Fade> rm_you: Congrats! :) Jul 25 19:51:31 I think this weekend will be qrcode weekend. Jul 25 19:51:31 AStorm: 2.4.1-os2008? Jul 25 19:51:32 :) Jul 25 19:51:33 lol Jul 25 19:51:36 missed that :P Jul 25 19:51:38 I've got 2.4.1 Jul 25 19:51:43 just woke up and got the email Jul 25 19:51:46 zap: yes, it works Jul 25 19:51:47 jeward, yeah Jul 25 19:51:49 that's it Jul 25 19:51:54 rm_you: Ehm.. Woke up? :) Jul 25 19:52:01 lol Jul 25 19:52:04 it's noon here, shh Jul 25 19:52:08 * jeward installs maemo-mapper. Jul 25 19:52:08 rm_you: Had a long sleep, did yah ;) Jul 25 19:52:15 AStorm: if I just launch maemo-mapper, the GPRS icon appears and then after some relative short time disappears Jul 25 19:52:17 hrm Jul 25 19:52:23 time to get travel stuff in order then Jul 25 19:52:31 AStorm: I have to launch mapper first, get a fix and only after that maemo-mapper Jul 25 19:52:40 hi Jul 25 19:54:24 zap, what do you mean mapper? Jul 25 19:54:35 zap, I use A-GPS Beta and then Maemo Mapper Jul 25 19:54:50 I mean the Nokia Map application Jul 25 19:55:01 huh Jul 25 19:55:05 zap: well, mapper works on its own Jul 25 19:55:11 Oh o Jul 25 19:55:11 at least here Jul 25 19:55:12 so maemo mapper doesnt do agps? Jul 25 19:55:20 yup Jul 25 19:55:22 zap, did you pay for the Nokia Map application? Jul 25 19:55:25 no AGPS here anyway Jul 25 19:55:41 so mapper is much better, as it remembers gps data Jul 25 19:55:44 zfigz: no, but it works in non-paid mode, just with limited functionality Jul 25 19:56:23 jeward, where' you get the echo theme? Jul 25 19:56:44 zfigz, Echo is the default in OS2008 Diablo, I believe. Jul 25 19:56:49 Yep. Jul 25 19:56:56 Oh ok, I don't see it in the theme selector Jul 25 19:57:07 How do I tell maemo mapper about my built-in GPS? Jul 25 19:57:09 oh wait Jul 25 19:57:11 (maybe even in Chinook? I only had a Chinook-based N810 for three hours though, so I'm not sure) Jul 25 19:57:12 there it is Jul 25 19:57:14 duh Jul 25 19:57:55 jeward, Select "Bluetooth" and leave the entry box blank. It should use the builtin Jul 25 19:58:02 ok well, i am going to go to lunch to celebrate, bbl Jul 25 19:58:33 rm_you, Enjoy a very happy lunch :) Jul 25 19:58:39 ^_^ Jul 25 19:59:16 How long do I need to go outside to get a fix? Jul 25 19:59:54 jeward, a minute or two for me. Hit the menu and you should be able to show the GPS status in a sidebar on Maemo Mapper Jul 25 20:00:16 Can anyone help me with maemo recorder? When i push the record button it shows 'Stopped' and won't let me record nothing Jul 25 20:00:38 Also, bluetooth keyboards are still slightly buggy in terms of sending multiple key events :/ Hello, maemmmmmo. Jul 25 20:00:41 * jeward lunches. Jul 25 20:00:47 rm_you, is it you thats done some wine website? Jul 25 20:01:03 lcuk2: yes Jul 25 20:01:11 \o/ huzzzzah thank you Jul 25 20:01:25 ? Jul 25 20:01:31 my mind hasnt completely gone to ruin Jul 25 20:01:41 :P Jul 25 20:01:46 i just got you mixed up - but it was either you or someone else Jul 25 20:01:59 has anyone tried using libgd on the n810? Jul 25 20:02:16 * lcuk2 has a mind like a sieve today Jul 25 20:08:51 Handwritig Jul 25 20:09:16 reognition sucks Jul 25 20:10:20 haha. I've gotten better at it. Still haven't succeeded at writing a : Jul 25 20:10:24 RST38h, it could be worse: Dear aunt, let’s set so double the killer delete select all Jul 25 20:16:03 so many years and it is still a gimmick Jul 25 20:23:14 does anybody like simutrans transport simulation? Jul 25 20:25:07 it is called openttd Jul 25 20:25:26 google for openttd maemo Jul 25 20:26:05 no i'm talking about simutrans ;) Jul 25 20:26:13 Anyone use that weather application Jul 25 20:26:21 in the meanwhile: Ravenous Bears Raid Platinum Mine (two security guys already eaten, more to go) Jul 25 20:26:52 mikkov: then the answer is probablu no... Jul 25 20:27:48 simutrans is much more advanced that openttd. anyway I just compiled it for maemo Jul 25 20:29:33 mikkov_: how does it work? Jul 25 20:29:38 cool Jul 25 20:30:11 GNUton: pretty slow as expected ;) Jul 25 20:30:53 GNUton: I'll put to extras-devel waiting for the better times (aka N900) Jul 25 20:31:31 mikkov_: ok great so we can try it.. Jul 25 20:32:47 GNUton: do you want fullscreen or menu entry? Jul 25 20:32:58 ttd is already too advanced for me Jul 25 20:33:37 mikkov_: fullscreen Jul 25 20:34:52 nice mikkov_ ... you can identify bottlenecks with the oprofile-enabled kernel on device Jul 25 20:36:24 there's no way that I try to optimise simutrans at all. it can bring down any desktop on bigger maps Jul 25 20:36:27 :) Jul 25 21:03:59 Hey guys, in the page http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html#how-to-prepare-and-upload-source-packages-for-build what is the right fqdn in the dput.conf? Jul 25 21:04:08 Where do you put videos for canola to view them? Jul 25 21:04:20 hmmm, i think i might trash canola Jul 25 21:04:25 just seems so bloated Jul 25 21:06:11 allo? Jul 25 21:06:39 actually Jul 25 21:06:42 this app is cool Jul 25 21:07:39 does anyone use dput here? Jul 25 21:08:02 mikkov_: are you here? Jul 25 21:08:02 GNUton: garage.maemo.org - the HOWTO is assuming you've set up in ~/.ssh/config an alias of "garage". Jul 25 21:08:15 GNUton: You might also find http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras helpful Jul 25 21:08:25 Jaffa: thank you! ;) Jul 25 21:09:28 I think Mplayer is better than canola Jul 25 21:09:31 Am I right? Jul 25 21:10:01 canola uses mplayer to play the videos Jul 25 21:10:12 it doiesn't actually play them itself Jul 25 21:11:10 if you like the way you interact with canola to get to your videos/music/podcasts, then it is a worthwhile app Jul 25 21:11:20 yeah Jul 25 21:11:21 true Jul 25 21:11:48 I use mine for podcasts and music and it is great Jul 25 21:11:48 I'd think it'd be slower using canola Jul 25 21:11:51 jaffa! Jul 25 21:12:11 but it is all personal preference Jul 25 21:12:11 vala from diablo extras-devel installs fine in chinook if you add the right repo Jul 25 21:12:30 perhaps to make it easier, could you include it in the chinook repo? Jul 25 21:12:39 zfigz, mind if I'm really honest with you for a minute ? Jul 25 21:15:21 oh man. One quick edit to /etc/fonts/local.conf and now I have Dejavu Sans Mono in xterm, and it's wonderful. I can actually read things! Jul 25 21:15:31 zfigz, I think we'd all really appreciate it if you stopped bitching about everything 24/7. Seriously, cut us some slack. If you have a problem, or think you found a problem: Help out: File a bug report. Think it lacks some kind of feature ? File an feature request. Think you can do better, and the coders are idiots ? Start your own project and write your own app. But for crying out loud, STOP BITCHING. IRC really isn't the Jul 25 21:15:31 place for that, so take it out on twitter, or blog about it, but you're really not helping. Jul 25 21:15:37 [/rant] Jul 25 21:15:45 tablets-dev.nokia.com is teh broken :( Jul 25 21:16:19 anyone have a mirror of latest firmware and linux flasher? Jul 25 21:17:45 paste your serial so i can verify before giving you a url Jul 25 21:18:19 sorry crash Jul 25 21:18:21 I just got this Jul 25 21:18:23 sooooooo Jul 25 21:18:26 I'm just making comments Jul 25 21:18:50 yer funny, tank Jul 25 21:19:48 beezul, you need the serial to get on the website, but there's wrong with giving your serial out... lol Jul 25 21:19:51 it's just a mac address Jul 25 21:20:03 any network you've been connected to has the "serial" of your NIT Jul 25 21:20:07 Is there a cleaner way to remap bluetooth keys than xmodmap? Jul 25 21:20:14 he doesnt need my serial Jul 25 21:20:17 to give me a mirror of the firmware Jul 25 21:20:25 beezul, well in fact, he does Jul 25 21:20:33 hows that Jul 25 21:20:49 beezul, if he has an 770, he can only access the 770 repo, if he has an n800, he can only access the n800 repo, etc, etc Jul 25 21:21:04 beezul, because you need the mac address (serial) to access the repo Jul 25 21:21:10 beezul, what model is your NIT? Jul 25 21:21:13 n810 Jul 25 21:22:44 http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/nokia_N810.php Jul 25 21:22:49 which seems to be down atm Jul 25 21:23:18 i dont have a mirror, but that url is down for me too Jul 25 21:23:36 beezul, you'll have to wait AFAIK Jul 25 21:24:13 hello everybody, I'm trying to boot debian on a N770. I use 2008HE and I managed to get that booting from a mmc. I used the zip file for the N8x0 and installed it on the memory card. It doesn't boot and I can't see what's going wrong. Any idea's how to proceed? Jul 25 21:24:30 beezul, oh, and for future reference, want a serial, take a bite (pun intended): 00:1D:6E:D5:8B:D9 Jul 25 21:24:54 zanshin, you should talk about this with johnx Jul 25 21:26:11 erf Jul 25 21:26:12 ok Jul 25 21:26:16 i dont see a pun Jul 25 21:26:17 :P Jul 25 21:28:57 Flasher Goes Hi-Tech By Projecting His Junk on Buildings Jul 25 21:29:07 why did it take so long? Jul 25 21:29:18 hello Jul 25 21:30:05 What package is xev in? (or what repo, if not standard + extras?) Jul 25 21:31:27 beezul, serial, cereal, bite Jul 25 21:32:05 Callahad, gronmayer ? Jul 25 21:32:16 crashanddie, Which I keep forgetting about Jul 25 21:32:17 :) Jul 25 21:33:02 now that's useful Jul 25 21:33:16 joining up IRC, and type /away Jul 25 21:36:55 anybody knows how to launch a new browser with an html file in it? Jul 25 21:37:13 browser_dbuscmd.sh seems to work only if microb is already started Jul 25 21:37:31 yeah, I have a script for ya Jul 25 21:37:41 hang on Jul 25 21:38:21 browser --url= seems to work Jul 25 21:39:06 http://slexy.org/view/s21fLV2uSA Jul 25 21:39:49 ugh Jul 25 21:39:51 :) Jul 25 21:43:33 What applets do you guys use regularly Jul 25 21:43:39 and crash, i love the maemo community. Jul 25 21:46:02 I use vncviewer, xterm, ssh, sshd and web most so far. Jul 25 21:46:17 JUst getting it set up to do work if I need/want to. Jul 25 21:46:36 jeward, How does the vncviewerperform on the N810? Jul 25 21:46:47 AWESOMEly. :-) Jul 25 21:46:59 Greetings gentlemen! Jul 25 21:47:02 Be sure and get the experimental n810 one. Jul 25 21:47:17 I might have to :) Jul 25 21:47:29 Where'd you find the experimental build? Jul 25 21:47:32 I tried just using a vncviewer tunneled through ssh, but that leaves much to be desired. Jul 25 21:47:36 crash, I read apple2 had it running on an n700. Jul 25 21:47:42 I was afraid you'd ask me that... Jul 25 21:47:47 Let me see if I can find it. Jul 25 21:47:54 hah! Jul 25 21:47:56 But his howto disapeared. Jul 25 21:48:39 For the love of a motherless goat, could someone point me to a .deb file for libglade2-0 (1:2.6.1) I've just wasted the past two hours trying to find this little bugger online. Jul 25 21:49:30 heh Jul 25 21:49:47 Looks like debian builds libglade for armel... should work, shouldn't it? Jul 25 21:50:20 addison? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/libg/libglade2/ Jul 25 21:50:31 Callahad: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219 Jul 25 21:50:36 It may break dependencies Jul 25 21:51:07 What's libglade? Jul 25 21:51:12 hm, and glade libglade probably has a reasonably huge chain of deps :/ Jul 25 21:51:22 I think I tried that one before lcuk2, but I'll try it again. Jul 25 21:51:31 are you in chonook or diablo? Jul 25 21:52:46 So, how does the maemo community work? Does someone take responsibility for packages like debian proper and keep it up to date? Jul 25 21:52:57 lcuk2: you fill out this form already? Jul 25 21:53:53 As in, seeing that vncviewer is not available for diablo, I could take it over and make it so? Jul 25 21:54:06 Hey lcuk2, I'm using a fresh install of Diablo, nothing on it yet. Anyway, that version you gave me was 1:2.4.0, I need 1:2.6.1 Jul 25 21:54:17 Anyway, i am here asking for help. Maemo Recorder does not work for me. When I push the recording button it says ’Stopped’ and nothing happens, it won’t record. Jul 25 21:54:18 Assuming I can figure out how to cross-compile. Jul 25 21:54:27 try this then Jul 25 21:54:28 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libg/libglade2/ Jul 25 21:54:36 its brand new, not sure of actual ver Jul 25 21:54:47 rm_you, i have a technical delay. Jul 25 21:54:48 jeward, The maemo-sdk is pretty decent and has nice docs, iirc Jul 25 21:55:08 hrm, well... do you know if "GSM NBR: " means "cell phone number"? Jul 25 21:55:43 jeward, have you tried just grabbing the diablo .deb or adding the diablo repo to your list: the greater majority of the applications compiled for chinook will simply work Jul 25 21:56:00 grabbing the chinook .deb ^ Jul 25 21:56:24 lcuk2: It works fine. I'm just saying, I had to work pretty hard to find it. Jul 25 21:56:54 It's not available via the normal route. Jul 25 21:56:59 :) it took me longer to find the server Jul 25 21:57:11 Hmm, I haven't tried that! Jul 25 21:57:17 Where is it. :-) Jul 25 21:57:17 works really well Jul 25 21:57:31 oh feck knows - i think i found some build on a website somewhere Jul 25 21:57:37 :) Jul 25 21:57:46 lemme see if i have link - im normally quite productive like that Jul 25 21:57:52 Awesome! Jul 25 21:59:12 Hey lcuk2, that second link you gave me has the same thing, version 1:2.4.0, still trying to find 1:2.6.1 :( Jul 25 21:59:16 http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Jul 25 21:59:25 anybody know a way to include png files in a debian patch? Jul 25 21:59:40 Well, it's 5:00. Time to get out of work. Take care folks. Jul 25 22:00:22 lcuk2: want to do a lightning session for maemo-barcode? :P Jul 25 22:00:28 Thanks lcuk2! Jul 25 22:00:28 Addison, not sure then - whats it from that you are trying to run? Jul 25 22:00:34 lcuk2: we'd have to do a bit of work to get it to a nice usable state :P Jul 25 22:00:46 im already doing one on liqbase Jul 25 22:01:06 Trying to run Qwerty's Roxterm. Jul 25 22:01:10 i hope 5 minutes is enough, after last time it should be Jul 25 22:01:38 addison, if its qwertys it will be bleeding edge, you will hgave to see if he compiled it and put it up anywhere (look on his normal pacakage weblist) Jul 25 22:01:42 What's the Diablo Repo? Jul 25 22:01:49 its the repo of diablo Jul 25 22:02:02 Yes Jul 25 22:02:06 But do you have the link for it? Jul 25 22:02:14 So I can be sure I have it cataloged in the app manager. Jul 25 22:02:42 i dunno the deb format and i havent got it (im still on chinook)_ Jul 25 22:03:14 >> but thats the location http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/ Jul 25 22:06:13 lcuk2: could do a maemo-barcode one too :P Jul 25 22:06:34 hey, my DNS server just shat itself Jul 25 22:06:41 can anyone give me the DNS servers of opendns ? Jul 25 22:06:44 crashanddie: grats? Jul 25 22:06:45 lol Jul 25 22:07:07 (just type wikipedia opendns in google, give me the first IP) Jul 25 22:07:58 ~google wikipedia opendns Jul 25 22:08:04 ~lart infobot Jul 25 22:08:04 * infobot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats crashanddie until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with Jul 25 22:08:35 GAN800: yo? Jul 25 22:08:44 # 208.67.222.222 (resolver1.opendns.com) Jul 25 22:09:05 Hey lcuk2, this is what I've been after for the past 3 hours.... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20918 Jul 25 22:09:10 Jaffa: you going to have a mediaserv demo? you should Jul 25 22:09:32 Jaffa: and I could help run that if you have other things to do ;P Jul 25 22:09:42 would be good to show off how well the devices can play video Jul 25 22:10:01 and would be a more interesting demo if that also included using a streaming thing like mediaserv :) Jul 25 22:10:20 * lcuk2 hopes to be streaming things Jul 25 22:10:54 lcuk2: my goal will be to get barcode scraping amazon for books/cds/dvds/etc Jul 25 22:11:07 Any more ideas on this lcuk2? Jul 25 22:11:08 good on ya Jul 25 22:11:10 and then demo that Jul 25 22:11:19 Addison, no, im happy with my console Jul 25 22:11:24 Nuts. Jul 25 22:11:27 it could get amazon prices / dealtime.com etc prices Jul 25 22:11:55 I'll just email Qwerty then. :) Jul 25 22:12:03 im so gonna print off some of the better barcodes onto stickers Jul 25 22:12:10 lcuk2: LOL Jul 25 22:12:14 stick them on people's backs Jul 25 22:12:19 at OSiM Jul 25 22:12:45 you going to OSiM? Jul 25 22:14:01 X-Fade: do you remember why it was that I couldnt get into the wiki before? something about my username being weird? Jul 25 22:14:33 Has anyone tried any of the third party file managerse? Jul 25 22:14:38 DCM looks good Jul 25 22:14:55 MC I mean Jul 25 22:16:59 Okay, here's one last question. Does anyone know how to Telnet using "CP 437" coding instead of the default Unicode "UTF-8"? Jul 25 22:21:45 Ah crap, Qwerty's email bin is full and can't accept any more messages..... Then depression sets in. :( Jul 25 22:22:24 telnet doesn't care about what character set you're using Jul 25 22:22:58 I'm trying to use IBMgraphics in Telnet instead of DECgraphics. Make any sense? Jul 25 22:23:15 nope Jul 25 22:23:16 sorry Jul 25 22:23:28 im unfamiliar with graphical telnet sessions Jul 25 22:23:39 Yeah, I tend to confuse myself as well. *lol* Jul 25 22:24:15 sigh Jul 25 22:24:27 * beezul is waiting mostly patiently for tabletsdev to come back online Jul 25 22:28:51 Addison, why the hell would you want telnet to use some dodgy charset ? Jul 25 22:29:40 * lcuk2 puts money on nethack Jul 25 22:30:03 most people who want fonts in consoles want to play games Jul 25 22:30:30 it's not a font Jul 25 22:30:32 it's a charset Jul 25 22:30:44 which could mean he's trying to retrieve some file or something Jul 25 22:30:52 but again, why use telnet Jul 25 22:31:07 and if he's trying to watch star wars over telnet on his NIT Jul 25 22:31:11 he should be slayed Jul 25 22:31:22 lol Jul 25 22:35:29 Yeah, busted. It's simply for Nethack there crashanddie. *reels in embarrassment* Jul 25 22:36:13 flac experts here? mplayer (or even xmms with flac.so installed) skips some flacs after a couple secs playtime. ideas? Jul 25 22:36:31 lol Addison :D was i right Jul 25 22:36:36 What do you fellas use for a file manager? Jul 25 22:36:42 windows explorer Jul 25 22:37:34 hehe Jul 25 22:38:11 zfigz, i wasnt joking Jul 25 22:38:26 oh... Jul 25 22:38:32 :D Jul 25 22:38:35 I'm talking about via maemo Jul 25 22:38:41 there's 3 file managers Jul 25 22:38:42 GPE's Jul 25 22:38:45 default Jul 25 22:38:46 and Jul 25 22:38:48 MC Jul 25 22:39:01 default Jul 25 22:39:29 Same here. The default one is fine for me Jul 25 22:40:00 Woah, what's up with releases.maemo.org? Jul 25 22:40:10 if i ever need to breakout whilst on the device and edit a file outside pygtkeditor's file select nicely opens at / Jul 25 22:40:32 403 for you as well, robink ? Jul 25 22:41:01 Blafasel: Yeah Jul 25 22:46:55 what's supposed to be in releases.maemo.org? Jul 25 22:48:04 mikkov_: The maemo packagelists and .deb files. Jul 25 22:49:56 what's really in releases.maemo.org? Jul 25 22:50:00 isn't it repository.maemo.org? Jul 25 22:50:17 oops, got the two confused Jul 25 22:50:38 tabetdev is offline too Jul 25 23:25:45 Jaffa: ping Jul 25 23:40:59 bbl Jul 26 00:02:50 hii Jul 26 00:37:16 wow do I ever love my N810, even if it can't recognize my handwriting very well... Jul 26 00:38:39 i never use the handwriting support Jul 26 00:38:41 maybe i should Jul 26 00:39:05 (That took almost 2 minutes to write :() Jul 26 00:39:51 Or maybe it didn't. But it did feel like it. What are the timestamps? Jul 26 00:40:00 (between my join and that message) Jul 26 00:40:13 4 minutes. Jul 26 00:40:36 Hey, it only felt like two! That's a good user experience ;) Jul 26 00:41:15 Toba, I find it more natual to drop down to handwriting support if I already have the styus in my hand. Juggling between poking the screen and using the keyboard isn't terribly comfortable for me. Jul 26 00:41:41 Of course, I haven't found a way to hold the device that works for both the keypad and the touchscreen equally well. Jul 26 00:46:25 it'd be cool if you could write whole words then go back and put a separator between letters Jul 26 00:47:05 Or if you didn't run out of room while writing more than a word or two :) Jul 26 00:47:28 i can write pretty small Jul 26 00:47:41 but separating the letters takes forever Jul 26 00:47:55 could get comfortable with it Jul 26 00:47:59 couldn't Jul 26 00:49:12 Heh, even better would be writing whole words and just having them be recognized :) Jul 26 00:49:29 i think that might be asking a little too much Jul 26 00:49:58 but while we're dreaming, i could use a bluetooth mind-reading helmet Jul 26 00:50:08 Do any major desktop / tablet implementations support that at this point? Jul 26 00:50:15 i don't think so Jul 26 00:50:27 i haven't seen palm's lately Jul 26 00:50:30 but i doubt it Jul 26 00:51:10 Hm. I wouldn't think it would be too terribly hard for print, Look at the strokes in order, flush a letter when one matches. Jul 26 00:51:27 You'd need conditional lookaheads for things like | + - = t Jul 26 00:52:22 it'd be terribly hard for me Jul 26 00:52:28 to make :) Jul 26 00:54:01 The actual matching algorithm would be the hard part, but I think the stroke accumulator would be reasonably straightforward. Use some sort of unsupervised learning algorithm... Jul 26 00:55:09 Though I do have much easier targets to hit as I learn this platform. Namely, I want a quick GUI for ssh port forwarding and a home screen applet for tracking FedEx/DHL/UPS shipments :) Jul 26 01:26:13 * robink attempts to get pygtk reinstalled on his Gentoo system. Jul 26 01:26:25 I think the first apps I'm going to write for my N810 will be in Python. Jul 26 01:27:10 Somewhre, an embedded developer is crying. Jul 26 01:27:27 Python on embedded? Jul 26 01:27:54 * robink is more disturbed by the fact that he installed gcc on his Maemo device. Jul 26 01:28:34 hey now, my S60 phone runs python just fine :) Jul 26 01:29:14 Callahad: Online handwriting recognition isn't that hard, but you don't want to do it on a whole-word basis. Jul 26 01:29:46 Maybe build it up from trigrams or somesuch, but whole words is just too many classes. Jul 26 01:30:03 And don't ever try to support cursive. Jul 26 01:31:10 wouldn't a whole word pass against a dictionary provide a useful heuristic, though? Jul 26 01:33:11 A language model does give a boost to recognition rate, but you have to be pretty high already for the search to not be prohibitively expensive. Jul 26 01:34:07 and you end up with the flickr bug Jul 26 01:34:28 It's one thing when you have a letter or two off, and a simple string edit distance gives you two or three possibilities to check. Jul 26 01:34:46 http://www.google.com/reader/view/#search/flickr/5 Jul 26 01:34:50 It's another when you're unsure about 4 or 5, and there are 5,000 possibilities to check. Jul 26 01:34:55 doh Jul 26 01:35:08 http://www.tuaw.com/2008/07/22/your-iphone-dislikes-flickr/ Jul 26 01:36:13 derf, I hadn't thought about the scale of branching; that would be significant in this case, though Jul 26 01:36:37 I've done research in this area. Jul 26 01:37:08 ah Jul 26 01:37:34 derf: which is why I still think graffiti was genius. Simplify the writing to to the point where it hard to screw up. Jul 26 01:38:18 brontide: Yeah, that would be nice... Jul 26 01:39:38 hmm, i recall reading about a indian pda that used a 3x3 grid to tap out letters. i think they called their system tapatap. dont recall what happened to it tho, but the device was supposed to be linux based... Jul 26 01:40:29 bingo, its still there it seems: http://www.simputer.org/simputer/downloads/software/tapatap/ Jul 26 01:41:36 Ooh, I just remembered dasher -- has that been ported to maemo? Jul 26 01:54:30 the browser really needs a way to launch component settings. a simple button in the components dialog that would launch a url would probably do, as then one could point that at a chrome: Jul 26 01:54:54 Just make a bookmark. Jul 26 01:55:21 while that work, i dont see that as a ideal solution as bookmarks have a habbit of being deleted... Jul 26 02:00:03 I just use del.icio.us Jul 26 02:02:18 :P Jul 26 02:02:31 anyone tried the url "about:config" in the current browser? doesnt work for me, just sits there eating cpu Jul 26 02:03:06 or i should just wait longer Jul 26 02:03:19 took about 5 seconds Jul 26 02:03:30 guess its me Jul 26 02:03:37 do you have adblock or any plugins? Jul 26 02:03:38 works fine here Jul 26 02:05:38 thanks for the input, now to diagnose it Jul 26 02:05:59 how about diagear it? Jul 26 02:06:04 or diageye it Jul 26 02:55:12 hey all.. is there a way to export routes from google maps/earth to load into maemo mapper? Jul 26 02:55:37 through the interface in the maemo mapper app Jul 26 02:55:53 any other way? Jul 26 02:56:20 http://gnuite.com/cgi-bin/gpx.cgi Jul 26 02:56:24 * lophyte thinks it would be nice if there was a KML to GPX converter Jul 26 02:56:44 * beezul thinks it would be nice if the flasher and firmware upgrade site was up Jul 26 02:56:44 I've got a route that I custom-made with multiple waypoints in google earth, i was hoping to load that into MM **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 26 02:59:56 2008