**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 04 02:59:56 2008 Aug 04 03:00:13 hi gan800 Aug 04 03:00:18 check out mxr.maemo.org :) Aug 04 03:02:49 Hey, timeless Aug 04 03:02:57 Back from the States? Aug 04 03:02:59 no Aug 04 03:03:05 well, is YVR back from the states? Aug 04 03:03:08 i suppose maybev? :) Aug 04 03:03:25 lol Aug 04 03:03:35 * GAN800 really doesn't love the new logo. Aug 04 03:04:24 not my fault Aug 04 03:04:28 is it applied right? Aug 04 03:04:37 YVR's server bans mxr.maemo.org Aug 04 03:04:40 Yeah, looks fine. Aug 04 03:04:46 i can hit timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test and mxr.mozilla.org Aug 04 03:04:49 very very strange Aug 04 03:04:51 cool Aug 04 03:04:59 i'll be back to reality in 48 hrs or so Aug 04 03:05:24 * GAN800 is on vacation. Aug 04 03:05:33 enjoy Aug 04 03:05:48 Hehe, spotty internet out here. Aug 04 03:12:11 yvr offers free wifi, until it failed to allow mxr.maemo.org, i thought it was perfect Aug 04 03:12:55 RST38h, johnx: fwiw, the current a2dp does have a little arm asm in the inner loop Aug 04 03:12:56 TPA has awesome free wifi Aug 04 03:14:10 it copies stuff around too much but the computation is fairly tight now afaict Aug 04 04:28:12 anybody here get kopete working with ssl support? Aug 04 04:28:18 i'd sure love to know how you did it Aug 04 04:31:11 how often do you guys have to reboot you n810? Aug 04 04:33:57 X-Fade: Here? Aug 04 04:42:52 does maemo freeze much on you guys' Aug 04 04:42:54 ? Aug 04 04:45:52 no. Aug 04 04:46:08 ok...been freexing on me alot lately Aug 04 04:46:18 maybe i should reflash Aug 04 04:52:48 hi Aug 04 05:05:49 GA: Have you heard of any problems committing stuff to extras lately? Aug 04 05:05:59 Garage refuses scp Aug 04 05:13:01 RST38h, I don't have Extras access. Aug 04 05:13:15 and haven't been here for a few days. Aug 04 05:13:23 * GeneralAntilles is on vacation. Aug 04 05:13:31 Alright, somebody k-line his ass already. . . . Aug 04 05:13:53 So, uh, no, I haven't heard anything. Aug 04 05:15:33 understood. Aug 04 05:18:46 Hmm.. Aug 04 05:19:21 Stupid JIRC client. Aug 04 05:21:44 Somebody remove that in a few hours. :P Aug 04 05:29:57 GA: If you ban people, at least do it right Aug 04 05:30:14 *siovene@*.pp.htv.fi Aug 04 05:30:50 Otherwise he will come back =) Aug 04 05:30:57 I don't want him gone Aug 04 05:31:00 Permanently Aug 04 05:31:05 Just for the duration of his retardation. Aug 04 05:31:29 What could you be possibly doing to have that happen a million times? Aug 04 05:31:38 and not get k-lined? Aug 04 05:31:39 Dunno Aug 04 05:31:52 Maybe trying to paste the same 20 lines into #ubuntu over and over and over? Aug 04 05:32:20 RST38h, hopefully by the time he gets around to evading the ban he'll has stopped flooding. ;) Aug 04 05:32:25 s/has/have/ Aug 04 05:32:26 GeneralAntilles meant: RST38h, hopefully by the time he gets around to evading the ban he'll have stopped flooding. ;) Aug 04 05:33:47 GA: Depends on whether he was doing it on purpose *or* was a vicitm of someone else Aug 04 05:33:56 * GeneralAntilles shuoldn't try to do useful things on itT. Aug 04 05:34:39 RST38h, well, he hasn't come back so far. :P Aug 04 05:34:41 Make a list of posts answering 99% common questions, keep it in some file and Copy&Paste =) Aug 04 05:35:01 I should put together a bot. Aug 04 05:35:36 GA: Either couldn't figure out "this irc thing" or was called off by his mother for dinner/bath/sleep =) Aug 04 05:35:48 Hi, qwerty12. Aug 04 05:36:02 Hello,GeneralAntilles. Aug 04 05:36:05 qwerty Aug 04 05:36:13 Hi RST38h Aug 04 05:36:34 The alarm actually got me up at 6:30. Imagine that... Aug 04 05:37:05 Man, California is way in the past. Aug 04 05:39:41 your 6:30 is our 9:30 Aug 04 05:39:56 And Chinese have been up for at least 5 hours by now =) Aug 04 05:40:22 Your 9:30 is my 1:40:17 Aug 04 05:41:19 Raytray: Then what are you doing here? =)~ Aug 04 05:41:54 Anyways, work. Aug 04 05:41:58 I had a nice conversation with a friend and now I'm a bit alert to go to sleep yet. That and I'm kind of homing they might call back. :P Aug 04 05:43:01 s/homing/hoping/ Aug 04 05:43:01 Raytray meant: I had a nice conversation with a friend and now I'm a bit alert to go to sleep yet. That and I'm kind of hoping they might call back. :P Aug 04 05:46:00 THEY will definitely call you back, Raytray Aug 04 05:46:47 hehe Aug 04 05:47:47 Just trying to get me to stay up allnight? :P Aug 04 05:48:34 If you can't trust a man who is in the future, who can you trust? :P Aug 04 05:48:53 Definitely not qwerty12. Aug 04 05:49:00 Muahahahahaha Aug 04 05:49:10 And that is evil FAIL in the morning. Aug 04 05:49:16 To me that is. Aug 04 05:49:23 * GeneralAntilles wishes he could figure out this stupid PATH issue. Aug 04 05:50:01 anyone used the iptables in the repositories? Aug 04 05:50:37 Somebody needs to murder the guy who put together that gphoto2 package. Aug 04 05:50:53 Ouch, I'm just reading your problem :( Aug 04 05:51:30 root seems to be OK, but user and apt-get aren't happy. Aug 04 05:51:50 * GeneralAntilles wishes he had a real computer to test with. Aug 04 05:51:59 /etc/profile /root /home/user Aug 04 05:52:05 Where else could the problem be? Aug 04 05:52:25 Which gphoto package were you using? Aug 04 05:53:15 http://darethehair.googlepages.com/software.html Aug 04 05:53:25 Would check the package, but not on an XP laptop. :P Aug 04 05:54:32 Hehe, hmm, not sure how that package was done but it doesn't look like it was done with standard debian tools. dh_make would have wanted it to go in /usr by default Aug 04 05:54:47 I think jott has a [proper] package of gphoto2 Aug 04 05:54:52 /usr/local is just plain evil Aug 04 05:55:43 Yeah, I pulled this one off an EDGE connection in about a 20 minute window of connectivity in Yosemite two days ago after the camera filled up too quickly. ;) Aug 04 05:57:05 I'll see if I can reboot into linux and mount up the diablo image. I'd offer files off my tablet but due to lack of charger, it is dead for timebeing. Aug 04 05:57:27 Meh, don't worry yourself. Aug 04 05:57:48 I have other people I can coerce into giving me things. Aug 04 05:58:00 Hehe Aug 04 05:58:07 Wont have much time to troubleshoot for the next couple days, anyway. Aug 04 06:01:11 Out for a day or two. Aug 04 06:01:16 May pop in tomorrow evening. Aug 04 06:01:17 'night Aug 04 06:01:23 'night Aug 04 06:13:33 ffs, I install a "kernel service" and this wireless adapter disconnects my connection to the 'net Aug 04 06:18:05 kernel service? Aug 04 06:18:33 Windows, no idea what that means but libusb-win32 says it was installing one of them... Aug 04 06:19:29 oh heh, windows >_> Aug 04 06:19:49 Usually, I'm a linux user but this morning I needed the rapidshare downloaders... Aug 04 06:24:19 I've had to use it too :X I used to dual boot, bud I decided to remove it completly like 6 months ago Aug 04 06:31:13 Hmm, anyone want to make initfs logos under windows? Only bit of 0xFFFF I can get to compile... Aug 04 06:31:23 (the logotool that is) Aug 04 06:31:50 qwerty12 Aug 04 06:31:55 i can race for u? Aug 04 06:32:15 race? Aug 04 06:33:00 y scene Aug 04 06:34:18 oh internet slang :| Aug 04 06:37:12 btw, bef0rd thanks for the heads up re: defcon Aug 04 06:38:38 Luria, no problem Aug 04 06:38:48 i exchanged emails with avs, we'll probably meet up at some point Aug 04 06:39:50 he suggested using iptables, which i now see is in some repo on my it... anyone tried it? does stock diablo have kernel support for it? Aug 04 06:39:50 I hope so Aug 04 06:39:56 oh hey Aug 04 06:40:02 didnt see ya there Aug 04 06:41:16 was distracted, sending a fb message explaining the old login timing attack (to build user lists) to a nascent (or willing to learn) hacker, of sorts. Aug 04 06:41:34 iptables binary already comes with diablo Aug 04 06:42:17 didnt seem to be there Aug 04 06:42:24 Are you root? Aug 04 06:42:29 of course Aug 04 06:42:41 Hmm, I know it's there on my device... Aug 04 06:42:44 is there a locate type command in diablo Aug 04 06:43:16 or whereis or something Aug 04 06:43:20 Not really Aug 04 06:43:21 You can get slocate from free's debfarm repo. I use it on my device, works nicely Aug 04 06:43:28 k thanks Aug 04 06:43:31 mine has iptables too Aug 04 06:43:36 huh. Aug 04 06:43:36 but for now, you'll have to stick with find if you don't want to install anything Aug 04 06:43:50 ~# which iptables Aug 04 06:43:53 /sbin/iptables Aug 04 06:43:59 Yep, it *is* installed by default on a diablo device Aug 04 06:44:01 lemme look again Aug 04 06:44:16 the http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com update repo has it listed too Aug 04 06:44:29 i saw it in apt-cache Aug 04 06:44:36 it should be on the device Aug 04 06:44:59 but i dont think the binary was there. im sure im wrong, tho, as all of you have it Aug 04 06:45:13 holy crap is the email client buggy Aug 04 06:45:28 it crashed 2sec into a fresh boot Aug 04 06:45:57 apt-cache policy iptables Aug 04 06:46:11 See if it's installed Aug 04 06:46:26 Dpkg -L it to see where Aug 04 06:46:42 looking Aug 04 06:47:28 XTLi, are you on a n8x0? Aug 04 06:48:34 N810, yes. But haven't kept too close track on sw Aug 04 06:49:07 no, was wondering about the odd capitalization. :-) Aug 04 06:49:51 Right :) Aug 04 06:53:11 btw, whats the best bash? i see three versions in the repos Aug 04 06:54:06 ok, seems to be working now. weird. Aug 04 06:54:48 thanks for the help Aug 04 06:57:38 damn, i wish i could obfuscate ip packet source and destination Aug 04 06:59:50 it would be easier to shutdown the wireless connection on the n810 at defcon :P Aug 04 07:01:03 true, but what fun would that be Aug 04 07:01:47 i bought a 500mw 802.11g usb thing today Aug 04 07:02:05 a little big to call it a dongle, i guess Aug 04 07:02:28 i doubt/wonder if it will show in time Aug 04 07:02:52 defcon is next week? Aug 04 07:03:06 this friday Aug 04 07:03:11 blackhat is now Aug 04 07:03:20 but out of my budget :-) Aug 04 07:04:12 im getting in thurs, hopefully i can preregister on thurs Aug 04 07:05:00 i wish they took preorders Aug 04 07:05:47 afk, beer+cig = :) Aug 04 07:11:47 lol bef0rd Aug 04 07:15:48 heh, i'd like to go to defcon Aug 04 07:16:02 actually to any decent security conference / meeting Aug 04 07:24:39 bef0rd: I know what you mean Aug 04 07:25:00 bef0rd: I'm totally in another place in the world, can't imagine how I could get there anyhow Aug 04 07:25:28 bef0rd: actually the OSiM conference sounds interesting too and it's even in Europe, would be nice to attend it Aug 04 07:26:43 yea, I have no money though :( I went to a 'security' conference here, a guy was showing some shell code on the screen and everybody was like 'omg hack :O' Aug 04 07:28:01 hehe Aug 04 07:28:10 I guess people are amazed easily Aug 04 07:28:14 :) Aug 04 07:28:15 at least those with not much of a clue Aug 04 07:28:32 It's hard to amaze us oldschool guys Aug 04 07:28:40 * aquatix saw a presentation of a hypervisor hack, now that was cool Aug 04 07:29:08 somehow turn the current OS into a VM using hardware virtualisation without skipping a beat and the OS noticing Aug 04 07:29:22 * liri still has backup CDs of his Remote Access BBS directory back from 96' or so when he was running a 36k modem Aug 04 07:29:38 put it only and make it telnettable =) Aug 04 07:29:44 s/only/online/ Aug 04 07:29:44 RST38h meant: put it online and make it telnettable =) Aug 04 07:29:51 hehe Aug 04 07:29:56 nah Aug 04 07:29:57 try to re-write those, as cd-r's tend to get unreadable after a while Aug 04 07:30:05 would be a shame Aug 04 07:30:22 actually when the Internet cought up with everyone, the guys who were running BBSs like me moved to a telnet version of it, though I figured the time for BBSs kinda died so I just quit Aug 04 07:30:33 but I was running it straight for about 4-5 years I think Aug 04 07:31:17 here's a quick wiz - I called it THC BBS, anyone know what THC stands for? Aug 04 07:31:30 the hackers choice! Aug 04 07:31:34 lol yeah Aug 04 07:31:41 those were the days :) Aug 04 07:31:43 I was inspired with the group at the time Aug 04 07:31:51 even had a few email changed with van hauser Aug 04 07:31:53 he's a nice guy Aug 04 07:31:57 they had a good name too ;-) Aug 04 07:32:02 lol definitely Aug 04 07:32:22 I'm gonna get you a screenshot of the BBS directories I found just for the laugh of it :) Aug 04 07:32:32 sounds great Aug 04 07:32:40 I found that backup CD by accident when I was re-arranging my collection a couple of weeks ago Aug 04 07:32:48 I was totally shocked that I actually had that copy Aug 04 07:33:01 well, I'm not *that* old school hehe Aug 04 07:33:05 I installed DOSbox on one of my windows machines to try and access it heh, was fun Aug 04 07:33:07 somewhere I've got backups of the stuff I was trading around BBSes back in the day ... should be some great stuff in there Aug 04 07:33:21 aspect: definitely worth the look for it :) Aug 04 07:34:08 writing intros and diskmags in turbo pascal to try and get cred with the warez/hacker crowd :) Aug 04 07:34:19 Could somebody check if MG shows up ion Diablo Extras? Aug 04 07:34:59 * bef0rd checks Aug 04 07:35:21 morning Aug 04 07:35:34 sega 8bit console emulator Aug 04 07:35:39 2.6.0-1 Aug 04 07:36:02 aspect: you know what I misss Aug 04 07:36:10 aspect: the "paging to sysop" Aug 04 07:36:22 aspect: now that's a sound I'm gonna miss Aug 04 07:37:49 haha Aug 04 07:38:58 ymodem-g was the best advance ever Aug 04 07:39:06 chat with sysop while transferring files Aug 04 07:39:43 Heh Aug 04 07:40:12 even uploading the zip files which extracted files into ..\..\users.dat ;-) Aug 04 07:40:36 btw, hopetracker.donthax.me Aug 04 07:41:02 liri, thats for you Aug 04 07:41:36 bedf0rd: Is vgb there as well? Aug 04 07:41:42 ah. the days of pascal and pcboard... Aug 04 07:42:20 anyone remeber rip bbses? Aug 04 07:42:22 RST38h, yea, I installed it this morning Aug 04 07:42:47 Now, just need to find X-Fade and figure out ssh access problem... Aug 04 07:43:01 Luria: i used to run my own back in the days Aug 04 07:43:17 rip or pcboard? Aug 04 07:44:28 aquatix, btw, that tracker has a vm and security lecture, tho i havent watched it, nor did i attend when i was at hope Aug 04 07:44:33 Luria: pcboard Aug 04 07:46:33 ha. i set up a fake bbs with my school's permission, using their pcboard 14.5 license to get the hayes sysop discount on the new 28.8 vfc modem and (awesome) serial board. Aug 04 07:46:37 Luria: hm? Aug 04 07:47:22 used a spare line at home and "made" a temporary bbs with the help of some schoolmates help of Aug 04 07:47:35 err, typo :-) Aug 04 07:47:39 Luria: nice thanks Aug 04 07:47:42 Luria: I was afk :p Aug 04 07:47:45 np Aug 04 07:47:53 adam savagre was awesome Aug 04 07:47:57 savage Aug 04 07:48:15 damn, my eeepc needs a backlit kybd Aug 04 07:48:35 yeah, those should be default on laptops Aug 04 07:48:50 same with a light sensor Aug 04 07:49:21 cold boot was awesome and hardcore, as was port knocking Aug 04 07:49:49 how do i pwn was funny and somewhat insightful Aug 04 07:50:24 hardware obfuscation was also good Aug 04 07:51:41 unfortunately, there are still ~70 talks that are missing Aug 04 07:54:05 actually, macoute, i remember coming home from high school and seeing a call in from hayes to validate the "existence" of the bbs Aug 04 07:55:53 ah yes, thank you google for supplimenting memories of '94 Aug 04 07:55:59 the hayes esp serial board Aug 04 07:56:55 a 16550af on steroids Aug 04 07:59:30 . Aug 04 07:59:50 ! Aug 04 07:59:59 ? Aug 04 08:00:10 heh Aug 04 08:00:20 Luria: i knew that one was coming :) Aug 04 08:00:28 :) Aug 04 08:00:32 hoh Aug 04 08:00:48 bef0rd, which "security conference" was that? Aug 04 08:01:01 well i am sad :( Aug 04 08:01:05 * Luria is catching up with the scroll back buffer Aug 04 08:02:06 Luria where r u from? Aug 04 08:02:12 nyc Aug 04 08:02:15 http://blog.beford.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hacking.jpg Aug 04 08:03:11 white hats++ Aug 04 08:03:15 was it the presenters or the audience (or both) that sucked? Aug 04 08:03:43 most of the presenters heh, 2 of them were good though Aug 04 08:04:07 after hope and defcon, im thinking about berlin in the winter Aug 04 08:04:15 my problem isn't solved yet http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22313 Aug 04 08:04:19 i guess im getting back into this Aug 04 08:04:38 It was here in Colombia, I supposed it was not going to be very good, but I had to go anyway Aug 04 08:05:22 i understand Aug 04 08:05:33 sorry to hear that though Aug 04 08:05:56 ive been thinking about the offensive security certs Aug 04 08:06:13 anyone have any experience or opinions? Aug 04 08:07:01 Italodance, why not clear out your repositories, add the active ones from gronmeyer and update your package list? Aug 04 08:07:09 well I'm quite offensive but I'm not certified Aug 04 08:07:17 I kid people, curse, alot of these stuff... Aug 04 08:07:18 lol Aug 04 08:07:20 heh Aug 04 08:07:20 :-) Aug 04 08:07:29 "offensive" certs? Aug 04 08:07:39 avs, the bt3 people Aug 04 08:07:40 avs: he means black hat kinda stuff Aug 04 08:07:44 aa Aug 04 08:07:53 theyll be at defcon Aug 04 08:08:09 talking about bt... bt is now composed of 2 teams, one of which is Israeli :-) Aug 04 08:08:24 liri, you israeli? Aug 04 08:08:29 Luria: yep Aug 04 08:08:40 where from? Aug 04 08:08:58 Luria: you weren't here when I was made fun of when asking about GPS functionality in N810 and I was asked if I was going to put it in a Tank? lol Aug 04 08:09:17 heh. guess not. Aug 04 08:09:18 Luria: Ramat Gan, it's like 2 minutes from Tel Aviv Aug 04 08:09:39 ani makir gush dan, achi Aug 04 08:10:26 ah, bezeq. memories... Aug 04 08:10:27 Luria: heh, hazak Aug 04 08:10:34 Luria: you israeli? Aug 04 08:10:43 na'im me'od Aug 04 08:10:48 no, new yorker Aug 04 08:10:58 Luria: ahh, jewish or what? Aug 04 08:11:27 yeah, also a stint at heb u (har ha-tzofim) Aug 04 08:12:03 nice Aug 04 08:12:04 but i brought my hebrew along with me ;-) Aug 04 08:12:30 Morning, all Aug 04 08:13:08 so, israelis on the bt crew? Aug 04 08:13:30 you know them? Aug 04 08:14:22 Luria: well before it was BT it was called whoopix and the team behind it are Israeli, yes Aug 04 08:14:36 Luria: we're talking about the same thing here right? BT being BackTack Aug 04 08:14:42 yeah Aug 04 08:14:54 so yes Aug 04 08:15:05 I don't know them personally though I heard that Mati is good Aug 04 08:15:12 but again, can't really comment on it Aug 04 08:15:17 i thought you were talking about bluetooth heh Aug 04 08:15:23 lol bef0rd Aug 04 08:15:40 u'lai yesh hanacha "mishpachtit" lol Aug 04 08:15:45 hi Aug 04 08:15:54 Luria: I mean, anyone can piece together a distribution full of tools. the question is if these guys truly are skilled... that's another story and I don't really know Aug 04 08:16:02 Luria: lol Aug 04 08:16:04 fair enough Aug 04 08:16:06 Luria: lo nir'e li Aug 04 08:16:44 gam li. k'mo ha dag nachash, ein frayerim :-) Aug 04 08:17:07 is there some sort of distro for n800? Aug 04 08:17:20 diablo Aug 04 08:17:20 debian Aug 04 08:17:22 mamona Aug 04 08:17:32 poky? Aug 04 08:17:39 heh Aug 04 08:17:40 it seems there is some cissp credit given for the courses, so they cant be too bad Aug 04 08:17:50 I think there is angstrom too Aug 04 08:18:05 debian, maemo, android sorta... go to itt Aug 04 08:18:06 debian? like an actual debian distro for n800?? Aug 04 08:18:15 there is a forum section Aug 04 08:18:19 luria, cissp cpes aren't really a very strong proof of quality Aug 04 08:18:20 Poky Linux I mean http://www.pokylinux.org/ Aug 04 08:18:23 for alternative distros Aug 04 08:18:29 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian Aug 04 08:18:57 true, but if they do a decent job of covering the supposed course material, it could be interesting Aug 04 08:19:11 does nit-debian use maemo kernel wireless module? Aug 04 08:19:51 plus i heard a rumor that some of the 1st level materials are on some torrent site... something about a bay or something Aug 04 08:20:33 Luria, the bay near Sverige? Aug 04 08:20:51 wow Aug 04 08:20:59 do they have pirates or ninjas? Aug 04 08:21:16 the debian install looks very interesting Aug 04 08:21:22 They have a pirate party :/ Aug 04 08:21:32 oh, then probably, yeah Aug 04 08:21:43 Luria: better than that, pirate boats carrying ninjas. Ninjas for land actions. Pirates for sea actions. Unstoppable Aug 04 08:21:46 heh Aug 04 08:21:50 does it come with dev tools to build from source for armel? Aug 04 08:21:55 pirates wear black hats, ninjas, hoods Aug 04 08:22:06 MaceN800, It does the debootstrap on the tablet Aug 04 08:22:25 wow Aug 04 08:22:32 so, pirates in the bay Aug 04 08:22:38 Ho ! Aug 04 08:22:46 with the black hat booty Aug 04 08:22:50 looks like i have something to do tomorrow then ;) Aug 04 08:22:52 Ho? Aug 04 08:22:57 :P Aug 04 08:23:12 Hi ! (pirate version ) Aug 04 08:23:15 i want to install this deb distro Aug 04 08:23:25 what wm does it use? Aug 04 08:23:38 Khertan, Oh! I was thinking of something else, ignore me. lack of sleep... Aug 04 08:23:41 or do you use whatever? Aug 04 08:23:42 (ho == hi.pirate_version()) Aug 04 08:23:57 qwerty12 > and what do u think ? Aug 04 08:24:17 ice or kde, iirc Aug 04 08:24:19 MaceN800, Matchbox with xfce panel. it used to use full xfce but matchbox is better suited to tablets Aug 04 08:24:29 Khertan, nothing... Aug 04 08:24:54 ... Aug 04 08:24:54 whoops, really? did i misread the debian thread? Aug 04 08:25:08 good interface? Aug 04 08:25:13 RST38h: Ssh problem? Tell me? ;) Aug 04 08:25:16 what is browserd and why it eats 50% of the memory? Aug 04 08:25:35 oilinki: resident part of the microb Aug 04 08:25:44 do all the features work that you would find in maemo/hildon? Aug 04 08:25:46 X-Fade: Refuses scp login, tells the key is wrong Aug 04 08:25:48 browserd = The shit part of microb for diablo Aug 04 08:26:09 yep, somebody should tell nokia guys responsible for it to kework it Aug 04 08:26:13 oilinki > a stupid idea, that preload some part of microb Aug 04 08:26:23 my browser is not even started yet. Aug 04 08:26:27 RST38h: I'll check what the error is. Aug 04 08:26:33 takes memory, sometimes eats cpu cycles, does not do anything visibly good Aug 04 08:26:38 ah. preload with huge demand of memory. Aug 04 08:26:45 oilinki > yes ... a stupid idea ... Aug 04 08:26:45 i was wondering why performance seems to have crapped out since chinook Aug 04 08:27:08 Someone should dpkg-repack the chinook version of microb and icd... Aug 04 08:27:10 i used to be able to do 6+ windows, now i get lockups on three Aug 04 08:27:48 i really want to install this debian distro now Aug 04 08:27:51 RST38h: Remind me your username again :) Aug 04 08:27:58 * RST38h finds tendency to keep huge parts of maemo apps resident disturbing Aug 04 08:27:59 hope it doesnt suck Aug 04 08:28:00 X-Fade: fms Aug 04 08:28:16 then how about the maemo-launcher processes? seems to eat a lot of memory as well. can be killed? Aug 04 08:28:21 i take it microb will crap out if browserd goes away? Aug 04 08:28:26 oilinki, no, don't kill it Aug 04 08:28:31 Luria, yep Aug 04 08:28:33 * Khertan hope he can say what he think about this resident thing to maemo dev at summit Aug 04 08:28:40 We have now got 12MB of Modest in memory, 11-17MB of browserd, and I am pretty sure somebody will make Python resident shortly Aug 04 08:28:58 RST38h, python-launcher-daemon comes to mind but that one helps :) Aug 04 08:28:59 RST38h > already done Aug 04 08:29:02 btw, wtf is up with modest? Aug 04 08:29:07 Khertan: Python is optional for now Aug 04 08:29:09 RST38h > python-launcher Aug 04 08:29:13 Luria: Nothing Aug 04 08:29:20 Luria: Just disable it Aug 04 08:29:35 i boot my n810 and 2 seconds later, internal email crash Aug 04 08:29:49 Luria: Modest does not work properly. Aug 04 08:29:52 i need gpg anyway Aug 04 08:30:04 RST38h: What is your ip? Aug 04 08:30:11 will things go wrong if it is uninstalled? Aug 04 08:30:19 X-Fade: Good question but I am sure it ends with ultranet.ru Aug 04 08:30:22 Luria, yes. osso-software-version depends on it Aug 04 08:30:29 i thought so Aug 04 08:30:42 Luria: Don't need to uninstall it, just disable the sucker Aug 04 08:30:42 hm Aug 04 08:30:51 so to disable it, i need to edit some init somewhere? Aug 04 08:31:00 Luria: Remove all your email accounts form it Aug 04 08:31:03 RST38h: Or can you try it now, so I can monitor :) Aug 04 08:31:12 And disable the automatic update in settings Aug 04 08:31:15 Luria: This will leave it in memory (unfortunately) but will prevent it from doing harm Aug 04 08:31:22 X-Fade: Can't - I am at work Aug 04 08:31:28 are you kidding Aug 04 08:31:35 Luria: no :( Aug 04 08:31:39 RST38h: Ok, what time did you try it last? Aug 04 08:31:55 its like 1 step forward, two back Aug 04 08:32:03 X-Fade: 9:00-9:40 EU time Aug 04 08:32:20 Wait, no... 9:00-9:40 MSK makes it 8:00-8:40 EU time Aug 04 08:32:56 i love how stable rtcomm is, which isnt "released," but email doesnt work, doesnt support encryption, but takes up memory Aug 04 08:32:59 RST38h: Well, server is in finland time ;) Aug 04 08:33:06 Luria: The real problem was that the author did not concern himself with anything but very intricate IMAP protocol implementation Aug 04 08:33:10 is the IE team working at nokia? Aug 04 08:33:19 X-Fade: Is .FI GMT+2? Aug 04 08:33:27 +3 Aug 04 08:33:37 Luria: So the rest of the stuff got untested / unfixed Aug 04 08:33:47 sigh Aug 04 08:33:53 X-Fade: you are on Moscow time then, 9:00-9:40 Aug 04 08:34:17 Oh, shit, no daylight savings... :) Aug 04 08:34:34 is there any way to minimize the memory footprint? Aug 04 08:34:50 X-Fade: Sorry for the mess. Google says that you are an hour behind so login attempt must have happened in 8:00-8:40 EEST Aug 04 08:34:54 If there was, we'd all be doing it :) Aug 04 08:35:08 Luria: there is Aug 04 08:35:14 Don't use it? Aug 04 08:35:27 Luria: 1. Find whatever config runs modest and disable it there Aug 04 08:35:44 Luria: 2. Find where media crawler starts and disable it Aug 04 08:35:49 * liri is searching dealextreme for a micro to mini sd adapter for the N810... Aug 04 08:35:52 RST38h: Ok, I think I found your ip. Aug 04 08:36:00 AFAIK, there is no way to disable browserd Aug 04 08:36:04 I found http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7184 and http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5341 Aug 04 08:36:09 any ideas if these are good? Aug 04 08:36:21 rtcomm is pretty good indeed Aug 04 08:36:38 bef0rd: whats rtcomm advantage over pidgin? Aug 04 08:36:51 RST38h: The only thing I see is an incoming connection. Nothing more. Aug 04 08:37:03 liri, rtcomm supports voip Aug 04 08:37:04 voice and integration Aug 04 08:37:33 with Google Talk, gizmo, SIP Aug 04 08:37:35 one less thing to run, to take up screen real estate Aug 04 08:37:35 this deb distro looks awesome Aug 04 08:37:40 ahh Aug 04 08:37:50 deb distro? Aug 04 08:37:53 nice Aug 04 08:37:58 doc|home, debian-nit Aug 04 08:38:05 I'm used for pidgin already Aug 04 08:38:11 X-Fade: Right - it refused login Aug 04 08:38:18 qwerty12: got a link? Aug 04 08:38:21 once I reflash the device and hack it I might also check rtcomm Aug 04 08:38:26 doc|home, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian Aug 04 08:38:30 rtcomm is preinstalled Aug 04 08:38:31 :) Aug 04 08:38:31 maemo mostly works, i'm hesitant to go fucking with shit Aug 04 08:38:40 xfce looks like gnome Aug 04 08:38:42 could someone check one of those links above for the microsd adapter and tell me if this is the right one to get for the N810 Aug 04 08:38:42 I have enough of that with the freerunner Aug 04 08:38:55 You install it on a seperate partition Aug 04 08:39:04 does look nice though Aug 04 08:39:11 * doc|home long time fan of xfce Aug 04 08:39:16 liri, as someone who stil uses gaim and pidgin on another machine Aug 04 08:39:19 Xfce is gnome with a bit of cde thrown in Aug 04 08:39:22 will nit-debian built apps support cups? Aug 04 08:39:24 does it have a webkit browser? Aug 04 08:39:25 dump it, go with rtcomm Aug 04 08:39:27 Worst of both worlds Aug 04 08:39:35 liri, yes Aug 04 08:39:47 unless you need otr, which no one uses Aug 04 08:39:54 Luria, are you using rtcomm beta? Aug 04 08:40:02 if it can print with cups i'm sold heh Aug 04 08:40:06 bef0rd: thanks I wasn't sure if this would fit the N810 or not Aug 04 08:40:10 bef0rd: so I'll buy it Aug 04 08:40:19 i used it on chinook, and i installed it again tonight Aug 04 08:40:20 MaceN800, I think it does Aug 04 08:40:29 i stopped using my it for a while Aug 04 08:40:31 Luria: otr? Aug 04 08:40:40 off the record messaging Aug 04 08:40:57 bef0rd what browser are they using in the screenshots? Aug 04 08:41:14 * bef0rd checks Aug 04 08:41:25 can you build armel ffox? ;) Aug 04 08:41:39 Yes. If you like uber slowness. Aug 04 08:41:45 it looks like epiphany Aug 04 08:41:47 haha Aug 04 08:42:08 i'll install it when i get home Aug 04 08:42:42 can i get safari for it? Aug 04 08:42:53 i need a browser that's supported by bank sites ;) Aug 04 08:43:03 it would go well with my decor. Aug 04 08:43:12 and ajax support would be nice Aug 04 08:43:18 yea, its epiphany but it doesn't say if its using gecko or webkit backend Aug 04 08:43:43 i think gecko Aug 04 08:43:46 I want safari on the tablet just for http://www.tuaw.com/2005/05/02/porn-mode/ Aug 04 08:44:54 it does support the bt modem right? Aug 04 08:47:37 dunno Aug 04 08:48:24 but I'll probably install nit-debian next week end heh Aug 04 08:48:38 johnx: Stskeeps: about the nit-debian wiki. It says "deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free" change chinook to diablo - should that be diablo/tools? Aug 04 08:48:42 ok. i'll try it out tomorrow Aug 04 08:49:21 k, 'nite Aug 04 08:49:28 Stskeeps, it shouldn't be diablo at all. the diablo sdk repo doesn't carry a subversion Aug 04 08:49:51 i can always rebuild the maemo/kde install if nit sucks Aug 04 08:49:51 g' night Aug 04 08:50:28 Hmm, installing gnu utils for windows = good way to break batch files :/ Aug 04 08:50:29 if you have enough space there is information at the wiki to setup multiples boots Aug 04 08:50:50 i have 8G/8G Aug 04 08:51:11 but i dont like using the external Aug 04 08:51:28 qwerty: and "dir" Aug 04 08:51:43 maybe i'll get another 8G to swap out Aug 04 08:51:45 For some reason my "dir" command has become case-sensitive now Aug 04 08:52:09 MaceN800: I've been doing this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot not quite there yet but feel free to comment Aug 04 08:52:33 RST38h, heh. It wasn't gnuutils but the perl install that I got :/ Aug 04 08:53:52 heh... i dont mind wiping it Aug 04 08:54:14 lbt, which part of the script does not work? Aug 04 08:54:18 RST38h: I can't find why you can't connect. I'll ask Ferenc to look into it. Aug 04 08:54:22 n800 is just a toy right now until i find the best way to use it Aug 04 08:54:34 script is fine :) It doesn't boot afterwards Aug 04 08:54:46 I read on ITT that rootfs may be 'light' Aug 04 08:55:03 and I haven't got a console to see why the boot fails Aug 04 08:55:28 zap: Ping? Aug 04 08:56:08 ok tell you how it goes in a few hrs when i get home Aug 04 08:56:22 screenshots look promising Aug 04 08:56:29 Ah. It could be because you are using block2mtd Aug 04 08:56:29 . mtdram which does work (at least for initfs modding) would probably require a server with 5GB of ram to mount a rootfs (I have to use 88MB of straight ram to mount a 2.1MB image. People with 1GB of ram can't even mount it) Aug 04 08:56:37 ^@lbt Aug 04 08:56:43 got it Aug 04 08:57:10 I do modprobe mtdblock Aug 04 08:57:21 qwerty Aug 04 08:57:43 i have an 8G server if you need a shell... fbsd tho Aug 04 08:58:02 if you want to mod on it Aug 04 08:58:02 MaceN800, Thanks but I have no need for it personally, just a comment :) Aug 04 08:58:11 k Aug 04 08:58:12 sorry - missed your earlier comment d'oh Aug 04 08:58:53 I don't think there is a problem with the script - rsync is fine etc. however... Aug 04 08:59:09 X-Fade: will experiment with it when I get home tonight Aug 04 08:59:14 block2mtd works when I read files off a jffs2 image but then trying to make an new image using it always fails for me Aug 04 08:59:29 OK - I'm just reading ATM Aug 04 08:59:31 this guy: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=209854#post209854 Aug 04 08:59:38 RST38h: Ok. Aug 04 08:59:40 i need to set up apache and vhost n800.rancorous.net Aug 04 08:59:44 heh Aug 04 08:59:53 X-Fade: BTW, any idea if I can host Pack Rat at maemo.org? rm_you's server is having some problems Aug 04 09:00:08 Re-checking the contents, I found rootfs.jffs2 lacks ... a whole bunch of nodes within /dev/ Aug 04 09:00:25 X-Fade: And also I wanted to do a few more experiments like static dependency checking across repositories Aug 04 09:00:29 I only tried b4 bed last night so just something for l8r Aug 04 09:01:51 and I'm happy to extract and then mkfs.jffs2 to modify Aug 04 09:01:53 Maybe they are generated on first boot. You could use flasher to reflash the diablo image and then reflash an image of fanoush initfs and then backup the rootfs using usb networking after it has been flashed: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18433 Aug 04 09:02:23 yes - I was hoping for a fiasco extraction based scripted approach. Aug 04 09:02:37 looking at itt post though... Aug 04 09:03:30 You may also want to look at https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/rootimagescripts/ Aug 04 09:04:36 ta Aug 04 09:06:25 ah- 6 minutes and 4 seconds after kernel boot - that explains that then. I was looking in linuxrc etc for a bg'ed sleep/reboot... Aug 04 09:08:17 hello Aug 04 09:08:41 I've also hacked linuxrc to loop around the menu to allow retries if a boot fails (rather than just dropping to flash boot). This allows incremental connections from usb-nw to tweak initfs and then retry menu entries (ie forgot to specify ext module in menu) Aug 04 09:08:44 RST38h: is it still killing it every night? Aug 04 09:10:04 anyway - work now.... bbl Aug 04 09:10:20 it works when i do it manually... so it must be something with permissions Aug 04 09:12:54 This "classic" quantum sex joke just in: Aug 04 09:12:59 Q: Why didn't Heisenberg have a good sex life? Aug 04 09:13:04 A: Because when he had the time he didn't have the energy, and when he had the energy he didn't have the time. Aug 04 09:13:28 Someone should have just slipped him a blue pill Aug 04 09:14:01 so does someone integrated bootmenu into diablo initfs? Aug 04 09:14:14 hrw, fanoush has done it for a long time Aug 04 09:14:20 I did it before fanoush for the diablo betas :P Aug 04 09:14:40 hmm.. would have to look at it then Aug 04 09:15:55 I've currently got my bootmenu set up so I can switch the framebuffer into automatic mode and get boot messages Aug 04 09:16:25 1gb card now cost 1.5 eur.. Aug 04 09:16:30 rm_you: yep, it's dead now Aug 04 09:18:47 1.5? Aug 04 09:19:45 XTLi: 1.5 Aug 04 09:21:20 . Aug 04 09:23:30 did someone tested n810 with class2/4/6 cards? Aug 04 09:23:46 does it have a sense to spend extra money to get class6 card? Aug 04 09:24:26 RST38h: ok, testing one more thing Aug 04 09:25:47 hrw: is there a way to get the info of the class of the card without removing the card? Aug 04 09:26:16 i have my root fs on the card so i wouldnt want to remove it ;) Aug 04 09:36:39 hrw > tested with a class 4 and class 6 on n800 ... Aug 04 09:36:48 no many differencies Aug 04 09:36:53 specially for my use :) Aug 04 09:39:32 Khertan: its 50% price difference between class4 and 6 Aug 04 09:39:47 65 pln for 8gb class4 and 97 pln for 8gb class6 Aug 04 09:46:41 X-Fade: yes? Aug 04 09:46:58 zap: I found the problem with your packages. Aug 04 09:47:07 and whats it? Aug 04 09:47:18 zap: It didn't like the Original-maintainer after the files section. Aug 04 09:47:25 uhm Aug 04 09:47:27 got it Aug 04 09:47:31 zap: I have changed the script to fix that. Aug 04 09:47:40 zap: And they are now all in extras-devel. Aug 04 09:47:43 which script, my control file? Aug 04 09:47:48 or the builder? Aug 04 09:47:54 zap: No our queue manager. Aug 04 09:47:58 ah cool Aug 04 09:48:07 thank you very much Aug 04 09:48:18 I wanted to ask you long ago :) Aug 04 09:48:33 why DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS does not contain 'thumb' in builder? Aug 04 09:48:38 (and perhaps vfp?) Aug 04 09:49:12 zap: Default scratchbox settings. If you want something else, you need to specify it yourself? Aug 04 09:49:37 Well maemo-policy.pdf says that my control file has to support the 'thumb' keyword Aug 04 09:49:48 but it's not enabled unless DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS contains "thumb" Aug 04 09:50:02 same about vfp Aug 04 09:50:17 zap: Can you write a mail to -developers about that? So we can discuss the implementation there? Aug 04 09:50:23 okay Aug 04 09:54:52 zap: afaik, vfp isn't thumb, so you can't really mix those Aug 04 10:00:30 kulve: that's the problem of package maintainer to enable support for EITHER thumb OR vfp Aug 04 10:00:48 but imho the builder must say he wants BOTH thumb AND vfp Aug 04 10:01:07 ok Aug 04 10:01:09 for example, maemo mapper would definitely gain from vfp, and it's not using it Aug 04 10:01:29 (the bitmap scaling/rotation code uses floating point) Aug 04 10:18:01 rah ... glade will make me crazy ! Aug 04 10:19:23 whats wrong with it? Aug 04 10:19:28 so far I was very pleased Aug 04 10:20:07 i don't like it :) Aug 04 10:20:27 and more on windows ... Aug 04 10:20:29 crash a lot Aug 04 10:20:42 yes i know ... but i m at work ! Aug 04 10:22:06 it never crashed for me Aug 04 10:22:12 but I'm on Linux... Aug 04 10:24:00 zap> work much better on nux Aug 04 10:24:30 and my main problem with glade (and gtk) ... it s that all my interface isn't terrible ... Aug 04 10:24:46 what you mean terrible Aug 04 10:25:09 if you're used to Windows API, just forget the GUI approaches from windows Aug 04 10:25:13 gtk is 'think different' Aug 04 10:25:14 i found them ... how to say .... ugly Aug 04 10:25:34 zap> i'm not used to windows api (never use it :) ) Aug 04 10:25:46 then I don't see your problem Aug 04 10:25:58 gtk is a pretty, simple and effective API Aug 04 10:26:00 the problem ... me :) Aug 04 10:26:08 i'm a coder ... Aug 04 10:26:10 try to grok gtk Aug 04 10:26:13 not a designer :) Aug 04 10:26:20 and my ui is ugly Aug 04 10:26:21 :) Aug 04 10:26:26 um Aug 04 10:26:57 "try to grok gtk" << what does this mean ? Aug 04 10:27:05 well maybe you can find someone to build interfaces or you :) Aug 04 10:27:17 :) Aug 04 10:27:33 i ve tryed edje ... but not very well integrated in maemo Aug 04 10:27:34 what are you designing? Aug 04 10:27:47 Make it simpler Aug 04 10:28:07 what is edje? Aug 04 10:28:40 A library Aug 04 10:28:54 A part of EFL Aug 04 10:28:55 a library like libglade, that enable you to make gui like the canola one Aug 04 10:29:25 hi, i compiled the phonon-gstreamer separately for desktop succesfully but while compiling for the maemo device, it doesn't suport openGL , what should i replace the openGL with..? the pro file is http://rafb.net/p/a5nBEb25.html Aug 04 10:29:30 zap: hows vfp vs. fixed point performance in stuff like scaling, texturemapping or such? Aug 04 10:29:30 Meaning slow? Aug 04 10:29:43 google for "how to make beautiful gtk interface" ... first result "GTK+ NetHack" Aug 04 10:29:44 lol Aug 04 10:29:53 :) Aug 04 10:30:13 i understand a much more the GTK Style now :) Aug 04 10:30:25 glass: of course fixed-point is fasted than vfp, but maemo mapper already uses some library that does it in floating-point Aug 04 10:30:43 maybe i should make a ncurse gui ... Aug 04 10:30:53 ranit: thats a cool joke Aug 04 10:31:13 ? Aug 04 10:31:29 "it doesn't suport openGL , what should i replace the openGL with" <- hahaha Aug 04 10:31:40 Khertan: I once, in the pre-web-bank-era, was part of implementing an ncurses bank client. Aug 04 10:31:46 ranit > ncurse ? Aug 04 10:32:10 Veggen> :) i'ven't know this time :) Aug 04 10:32:33 Veggen> my bank client was made in cocoa :) Aug 04 10:32:38 :) Aug 04 10:32:40 Khertan: well gtk interface and canola-like interface are two completely different things Aug 04 10:32:59 It wasn't in the pre-web-time, it was around 1998-1999, but it was around the time where people still made fat clients. Aug 04 10:33:06 ranit: no replacement for open gl Aug 04 10:33:30 we're still full of hope though :) Aug 04 10:33:31 It did, however, result in a pretty good screen-oriented ncurses-library that I'm gonna try fish out from the corporate veils. Aug 04 10:33:34 (some day) Aug 04 10:33:51 then is there any way i can compile the phonon-gstreamer, kulve Aug 04 10:34:02 zap> yes ... but i don't want to make a canola-like ... just use the lib to make a great design :) Aug 04 10:34:21 Khertan: I believe you can make great design with gtk as well Aug 04 10:34:23 kulve>ncurse could replace it :) Aug 04 10:34:25 I didn't remember/think of keeping it from myself, and anyways I don't own the rights. But I think it's actually good enough quality that I could have it released, I think. Aug 04 10:34:32 zap > some can ... me not :) Aug 04 10:34:36 And it's void of any business-logic whatsoever. Aug 04 10:35:01 ranit: I'm not familiar with the project, so I can't say, sorry Aug 04 10:35:20 Khertan: its like somebody thinks "I'll buy this Canon Mark III and then every my shot will be a masterpiece" Aug 04 10:35:53 Isn't there a sw Mesa libGL port? Aug 04 10:35:53 It's a little bit weird to use, though, since it's screen-oriented :) This is because it was intented for usage with a 3270-emulator-thing for customers with 3270-terminals. Aug 04 10:36:05 := Aug 04 10:36:15 zap: lot of people seem to Aug 04 10:36:30 XTLi: but for some reason it doesn't happen :) Aug 04 10:36:31 Instead, they'll video the rattling of the shutter Aug 04 10:36:50 zap > why not ? with interface builder from apple it s a lot simpliest to make beautifull interface Aug 04 10:37:02 zap > of course you still can make crappy things Aug 04 10:37:16 Khertan: it includes a "masterpiece mode" button? Aug 04 10:37:25 Veggen: :-D Aug 04 10:37:33 zap> no, but some auto features to help :) Aug 04 10:38:07 I don't know, never used apples, but I had no real problems with glide Aug 04 10:38:09 (off topic) more expensive cameras usually give more possibilities, but quality will probably not improve significantly between Canon 450D and Canon Mark III for "normal people". Aug 04 10:38:28 zap > the problem isn't glade again ... more me :) Aug 04 10:38:36 have you ever see mCalendar ? Aug 04 10:38:37 Quality of content especially Aug 04 10:38:44 i found the gui ugly Aug 04 10:38:55 Khertan: no, but I'll try to find it Aug 04 10:39:16 http://khertan.net/poubelle/mcalendar01.png Aug 04 10:39:57 * Khertan will try to come to summit with the maemo logo that should win .... http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png Aug 04 10:41:00 Khertan: ugly is lightly told Aug 04 10:41:52 hrw> hum ... don't understand the mean of your text ... this is worst than ugly ... or just a few ugly ? Aug 04 10:41:52 :) Aug 04 10:42:06 any one who have compiled phonon-gstreamer(Qt) for maemo ?? Aug 04 10:42:32 Khertan: it is worst that ugly Aug 04 10:43:29 hrw > :) Aug 04 10:44:39 hrw > remember that this is for a stylus free interface Aug 04 10:44:42 Khertan: I forgot my school French, but doesn't "Ajouter" mean "Help" ? Aug 04 10:44:52 Ajouter == Add Aug 04 10:44:56 ah ok Aug 04 10:44:58 (it s in fact gtk-add) Aug 04 10:45:07 and what's mercredi 23? Aug 04 10:45:20 Wednesday 23 Aug 04 10:46:07 and what means "Free"? Aug 04 10:46:37 When you click on the "Free Button" it display the free time available in the day Aug 04 10:47:02 so don't really need to look at disponibility ... click on free and you see it immediatly Aug 04 10:47:45 I would remove the time and the "juillet 2008" buttons Aug 04 10:47:55 the time is duplicated in the status bar Aug 04 10:48:06 and "juillet" can be changed in the top bar Aug 04 10:48:40 instead, you can make the "juillet" in the top bar clikable (button without borders) Aug 04 10:49:18 then, the "Next" and "Prev" buttons could be made larger, there is too much precious screen space lost on left and right side of them Aug 04 10:49:54 when you click on "Juillet" bottom button it display all event for the month jully Aug 04 10:49:55 and finally, I would add a little space between all controls (3 pixels or so) so that they don't glue together Aug 04 10:50:31 how do you remove events btw? I see "Add" but no "Remove"? Aug 04 10:50:46 in current displayed date in the top bar, click on it provide a calendar to go directly to a date Aug 04 10:51:14 http://khertan.net/poubelle/mcalendar03.png Aug 04 10:51:28 removing event is made in the event details itself ... Aug 04 10:51:45 aha, ok Aug 04 10:52:14 the event details screen is a bit different now ... Aug 04 10:52:15 Khertan: can we get agenda view? Aug 04 10:52:32 hrw > what do u call agenda view ? Aug 04 10:52:49 something with colored box where we can't see the event ? Aug 04 10:53:00 Khertan: list of events Aug 04 10:53:25 this is already a list of events Aug 04 10:53:30 displayed in a list Aug 04 10:53:34 Busy/free view? Aug 04 10:53:35 ah. ok Aug 04 10:53:57 XTLi> with a free view :) Aug 04 10:54:26 but i m still studying how to make a better ui Aug 04 10:54:38 and mainly fix google synchro problem Aug 04 10:54:39 <- Lagged. Gui or net, either way Aug 04 10:55:23 some reccurent event with by day setting is displayed at wrong date Aug 04 10:55:39 so ... i ll be back ... Aug 04 10:55:43 going to eat Aug 04 10:55:53 thx for your advice zap Aug 04 10:56:33 just trying to help with something Aug 04 10:57:19 maybe use a bandy list, like most PIM apps? Aug 04 10:57:26 hi Aug 04 10:57:30 one white entry, one colored Aug 04 10:57:53 makes it easier for eyes to distinguish one event from another Aug 04 10:58:03 also will make your app more colorful, it's quite B/W right now Aug 04 11:01:26 the buttons "next" and "prev" will move depending on the title... thats bad. I would make the center item expandable, and the buttons non-expandable so that they stay always at margins Aug 04 11:02:03 and perhaps leave only the icon, no need for text Aug 04 11:02:10 zap: what app are you talking about? Aug 04 11:02:38 logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ Aug 04 11:04:37 Zebra chainform look is pretty handy in subtle tones Aug 04 11:06:25 What are those really called in english? Aug 04 11:18:05 XTLi: alternative backgrounds? Aug 04 11:19:32 Hi, are there some DBUS - pros here? Aug 04 11:22:45 riderman: specific questions are more likely to get answers. Aug 04 11:24:34 okay, then here my question: I`ve got a Nokia 770 and want to be able to know how many percent of my battery are left. So I tried a small tool named battery-status but this didn`t work. Aug 04 11:25:15 Now i`m playin around with the D-BUS and i allready can find out how many Bars are shown in the Battery-Icon Aug 04 11:25:34 but how can I get the time that is left for the battery? Aug 04 11:25:55 excuse my bad english, I`m German... Aug 04 11:27:09 riderman: the english is ok :) Aug 04 11:28:15 with this command I get the Number of bars shown in the battery-icon: dbus-send --system /com/nokia/bme/request com.nokia.bme.request.status_info_req Aug 04 11:28:56 riderman: yeah, I am unsure how well documented the bme stuff is. It is one of the proprietary parts unfortunately. Aug 04 11:29:54 and with this I want to get the time left: dbus-send --system /com/nokia/bme/request com.nokia.bme.request.timeleft_info_req - I`ve been reading around many hours and normally, this should work, but it just doesn`t want to... Aug 04 11:30:42 riderman, batterystatus seems to get lots of info Aug 04 11:31:12 did you look at the source? (apologies if you already looked) Aug 04 11:32:14 at the source of the tool battery-status? Yes, allreda looked at it... The problem is that this tool doesnt work either on my 770 Aug 04 11:32:33 sorry, just looked over. didn't see that this was for a 770... Aug 04 11:32:54 * johnx reads his backlog Aug 04 11:33:30 this tool also works with com.nokia.bme.request.timeleft_info_req Aug 04 11:33:39 riderman: even doesn't work in OS2008HE? Aug 04 11:33:52 mhm, I don't seem to get status messages with dbus-send Aug 04 11:34:23 i had the OS2008HE for some time and there it didn`t work, too. But now i`ve the normal OS2006 again Aug 04 11:34:45 you have to run dbus-monitor --system in an other terminal Aug 04 11:34:55 ah. Aug 04 11:35:32 and you don't see the rpc's used to get the information you're interested in? Aug 04 11:35:55 what are rpc`s ? Aug 04 11:35:55 I mean, with dbus-monitor Aug 04 11:36:01 rpc == remote procedure call Aug 04 11:36:13 ah okay Aug 04 11:36:30 quite likely the timeleft_info_req has been added in later revisions of bme then, or? Aug 04 11:36:45 this could be! Aug 04 11:37:00 does the stock statusbar applet show it? Aug 04 11:37:06 no Aug 04 11:37:17 in this case it's very possible Aug 04 11:37:29 I think the time left is computed by some heuristic Aug 04 11:37:32 you could do the same Aug 04 11:37:36 the applet shows only the battery with 1-4 bars Aug 04 11:37:41 anybody from brussels here ? =) Aug 04 11:37:51 riderman: you can't get the battery charge in percents? Aug 04 11:38:03 this is what I want :) Aug 04 11:38:07 anybody in here running chinook who could email me his "/etc/operator_settings" file? Aug 04 11:38:17 MoRpHeUz: only brussels cabbage here Aug 04 11:38:29 andre___: chinook not diablo? Aug 04 11:38:39 the battery-status prog does this by calculating it ot of the time left value Aug 04 11:38:42 riderman: try to look in /sys then, I think it contains full info Aug 04 11:39:24 hrw, yes, chinook Aug 04 11:39:30 well Aug 04 11:39:36 hrw, want to compare regressions :) Aug 04 11:39:39 ah Aug 04 11:39:42 just got home.. let me see about installing this nit-debian distro Aug 04 11:40:20 hrw: i just need more hardware to be able to run everything here ;-) Aug 04 11:40:42 andre___: or qemu Aug 04 11:40:46 so you think the value is saved somewhere in /sys/power ? Aug 04 11:40:52 zap: =) Aug 04 11:40:54 hmm. that would be an option, indeed Aug 04 11:41:05 this would be the easiest way... Aug 04 11:41:20 riderman: its not in /sys/power Aug 04 11:41:38 its somewhere under /sys/bus/platform/i2c/ or something like that Aug 04 11:42:05 ah okay, thank you! I`ll just search a bit there now :) Aug 04 11:44:02 hm Aug 04 11:44:20 what was the nit-debian site again for install instructions? i know someone said it here earlier Aug 04 11:50:29 Macor, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian Aug 04 12:03:09 my god... there are many files :) Aug 04 12:07:59 there are many files, all alike. Aug 04 12:08:07 > N. Aug 04 12:08:37 You walk North. In a clearing near the glen is a folder and some binaries. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. Aug 04 12:23:27 > find . -type f -name 'treasure' Aug 04 12:27:38 i am trying to run an app with phonon support on meamo device but it's not playing the mp3 file.. so i decided to compile the phonon and phonon-gstreamer separatlely and make it work, but unfortunatly maemo doesn't support openGL and i am stuck... what to do.? Aug 04 12:29:29 build without gl Aug 04 12:30:20 XTLi: You find a dark pit. The tip of a tentacle slowly creeps over the edge, then quickly grasps your legs and drags you into the eternal darkness. In the distance you hear grues scream their last breath. Darkness envelopes you. Aug 04 12:30:33 * aquatix is in an evil mood Aug 04 12:31:39 maybe i should start a MUD Aug 04 12:31:42 I don`t find anything in this file-jungle... any Idea for what filename i could search? Aug 04 12:33:09 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.208.21.81 80] Aug 04 12:33:13 hm... wtf Aug 04 12:33:59 RST38h, you were right. :P Aug 04 12:34:22 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian <- these instructions are broken for diablo Aug 04 12:34:48 Macor: diablo doesn't have a single sdk repository anymore. Aug 04 12:35:01 Macor: diablo/sdk and diablo/tols Aug 04 12:35:19 s/tols/tools/ Aug 04 12:35:19 X-Fade meant: Macor: diablo/sdk and diablo/tools Aug 04 12:35:23 yeah... that sucks heh Aug 04 12:35:31 guess i have to change those in the lists file Aug 04 12:35:50 Macor: did you add that repo yourself manually or? Aug 04 12:36:01 but this is the outcome ..... http://rafb.net/p/7NZgxt10.html, hrw Aug 04 12:36:02 yes manually Aug 04 12:36:14 Macor: so technically it has nothing to deal with nit-debian? ;) Aug 04 12:36:27 ranit: no --without-gl option? Aug 04 12:36:40 deb http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk diablo free non-free Aug 04 12:36:47 so i'm guess it would look like that? Aug 04 12:37:01 not nit-debian.. but the install instructions on their page says to "just replace chinook with diablo" Aug 04 12:37:06 which doesn't work Aug 04 12:37:20 ah Aug 04 12:37:26 sec Aug 04 12:37:39 Macor: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free Aug 04 12:37:48 ah i see Aug 04 12:38:06 and diablo/tools Aug 04 12:38:17 Macor: yeah, you're right - thanks, i'll edit it Aug 04 12:39:54 for extras it looks like it would be ... Aug 04 12:40:02 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/ diablo free non-free Aug 04 12:41:14 sorry.. mean dists? Aug 04 12:41:19 i'm working a bit on a solution where i can avoid having to introduce dependancies to maemo at all.. the whole repo business is a bit messy at times :) Aug 04 12:42:48 hmm. what Maemo distribution is 'screenÃ' in, in Diablo? Aug 04 12:42:50 / repo Aug 04 12:42:58 (yes, i checked gronmayer) Aug 04 12:43:11 yeah.. i'm still trying to figure out how to set up the repository.maemo.org/ one Aug 04 12:44:10 seems like screen is missing in Maemo extras Aug 04 12:44:18 for diablo Aug 04 12:44:31 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free non-free Aug 04 12:44:47 does apt-get install screen work then? Aug 04 12:44:50 that's what their site says to use Aug 04 12:45:03 i'm actually trying to install subversion :) Aug 04 12:45:38 ah Aug 04 12:45:43 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 64.208.21.73 80] Aug 04 12:45:50 bastard :) Aug 04 12:45:52 oops Aug 04 12:46:56 Macor: just get maemo extras enabled and subversion might be there? Aug 04 12:47:01 i'm honestly not sure :P Aug 04 12:47:02 Macor: extras is http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free Aug 04 12:47:04 there is a dists ... Aug 04 12:47:15 there is one useless dists ... Aug 04 12:47:19 there is one useless "dists" ... Aug 04 12:47:22 pfff Aug 04 12:47:25 yeah.. i noticed ;) Aug 04 12:48:15 riderman: any success? Aug 04 12:48:28 Package subversion is not available, but is referred to by another package. Aug 04 12:48:34 wow are you kidding me :) Aug 04 12:48:42 i'm about to just downjload the deb manually haha Aug 04 12:48:49 no... still searching Aug 04 12:48:54 Macor: i'll make you a tar.gz of the current svn, sec Aug 04 12:49:04 riderman: I can tell you how its called on N810 Aug 04 12:49:30 that would be nice :) Aug 04 12:49:38 Macor: blah, nevermind, installer needs subversion too (..) Aug 04 12:49:53 or not.. sec Aug 04 12:50:11 i was talking about subversion itself Aug 04 12:50:24 Macor: yeah, i'd say getting the .deb yourself is easier :P Aug 04 12:50:30 it seems like it would be easier to just download the deb than to rely on the repostories Aug 04 12:52:50 riderman: joh, das ist ziemlich lästig. Es wäre schon cool, wenn man irgendwo eine Dokumentation aller DBus-APIs hätte, insbesonders von den proprietären Komponenten. Aug 04 12:52:54 arks. Aug 04 12:53:32 Indeed Aug 04 12:53:51 ok.. got it Aug 04 12:53:58 guess i can continue with this nit install now :) Aug 04 12:55:15 nomis: dokÅ‚adnie tak jak mówisz Aug 04 12:55:37 hrw: bless you! ;) Aug 04 12:56:01 ;) Aug 04 12:56:26 hrw: It actually was intended to be a private message. I was just complaining about a lack of documentation of the dbus api of the proprietary components. Aug 04 12:56:47 nomis: propertiary stuff is curse of maemo Aug 04 12:57:18 dbus is not really introspectable, is it? Aug 04 12:58:47 Stskeeps: Macor: I noted the self same issue on here this morning - I couldn't find a way to register on the Trac site to edit the wiki though Aug 04 12:59:10 Package binutils is not available, but is referred to by another package. Aug 04 12:59:16 wtf? Aug 04 13:01:09 lbt: yeah, wiki editing is for coders only for now, but bug reports are always welcome Aug 04 13:02:06 noting those issues when they arise Aug 04 13:02:07 what rep is binutils a part of? Aug 04 13:02:19 the installer doesn't seem to want to install binutils Aug 04 13:02:45 * zap would like to know to what LED refers /sys/class/leds/cover Aug 04 13:03:38 How do I detect if the keyboard is opened on a n810? Aug 04 13:03:48 via a GPIO Aug 04 13:04:01 pvanhoof: there is a dbus message for that. Aug 04 13:04:36 nomis, you know which one? Aug 04 13:04:41 hm Aug 04 13:04:43 my guess is, if its undocumented, better don't use it Aug 04 13:05:03 when you slide the keyboard open/closed it prints it in dmesg I think Aug 04 13:05:06 pvanhoof: sorry, it is gconf. /system/osso/af/slide-open Aug 04 13:05:52 is there a diablo rep with binutils on it ? i suppose it's not a part of maemo or maemo extras Aug 04 13:05:53 nomis, aha so I just listen for that key using GConf? Aug 04 13:06:43 pvanhoof: yeah. Aug 04 13:06:47 only rep i have found is chinook Aug 04 13:06:53 Macor: binutils is in sdk or tools repo Aug 04 13:07:12 mikkov_ - in maemo.org .. ok.. i'll look for it Aug 04 13:07:52 hm... now I found something interesting... theres a file in /sys/devices/platform/omap_uwire/spi2.0 named vbatt but the value into it is 0 Aug 04 13:08:29 the temperature is stored in temp0 and temp1 in this path, but I dont need this :) Aug 04 13:12:42 ok.. progress.. thanks Aug 04 13:13:54 seems to be going good now Aug 04 13:14:22 * Macor crosses his fingers and hopes debian installs :) Aug 04 13:15:49 lol, it even recognizes if the battery-cover is open or closed Aug 04 13:17:03 thats for N800 maybe to prepare for the inner SD card to be removed Aug 04 13:17:40 riderman: it seems the battery voltage sensor is in the "tahvo" chip, if I'm not mistaken Aug 04 13:18:09 it would be nice to have a button for stylus in/out, could be used to change UI between finger/stylus style Aug 04 13:19:05 you can use the keyboard out/in gpio for that Aug 04 13:19:19 at least for proof-of-concept Aug 04 13:19:29 okay, I`ll have a look... it found some locations with tahvo... Aug 04 13:19:31 it has some trigger in it? Aug 04 13:19:45 Stylus being in or out doesn't treally mean you're in any mode Aug 04 13:19:55 Kegetys: of course, OS always knows if keyboard is open or closed Aug 04 13:20:11 zap: stylus != keyboard :) Aug 04 13:20:21 Mine is often lying on the table and I interact on a whim Aug 04 13:20:59 it would be better imo than the current system where some elements are big and some are small, you could also have some way to manually toggle it Aug 04 13:21:19 This must have been talked to death before somewgere Aug 04 13:21:26 Make it a rule to cover light sensor every time you remove the stylus Aug 04 13:21:36 I haven't ever talked about it, if you dont want to talk about it then dont talk :P Aug 04 13:21:39 This way you can use light sensor as the stylus-out flag =) Aug 04 13:21:46 Unfingerable elements are a problem, though Aug 04 13:22:14 I personally find the huge elements to be more annoying as I usually use the stylus Aug 04 13:22:40 like the browser shortcut menu Aug 04 13:26:37 hm ... does it matter if i use LBA or not when making a 1G fat32/vfat partition for this debian install? Aug 04 13:27:29 Macor: it does not Aug 04 13:28:10 then 0B it is Aug 04 13:29:24 just wanted to be able to use swap and have a little space on it for the hildon on the internal flash Aug 04 13:29:38 The Knights Templar are demanding that the Vatican give them back their good name and, possibly, billions in assets into the bargain, 700 years after the order was brutally suppressed by a joint venture between the Pope and the King of France. Aug 04 13:30:05 sounds like black people in the US demanding money for slavery :) Aug 04 13:30:07 hahahah Aug 04 13:30:33 even worse, afaik the Templar order was completely wiped away off the place of planet Aug 04 13:30:48 today anybody may call himself a Templar and require payments Aug 04 13:31:00 well.. that's what you get for going against Jesus :) Aug 04 13:31:02 Not really, they have got real descendants Aug 04 13:31:14 because that is definately something Jesus would want Aug 04 13:31:16 thats a urban legend Aug 04 13:31:20 as is taught in the new testament Aug 04 13:31:23 They do look inbred though: http://www.osmth.org/ Aug 04 13:31:27 spreaded by the so-called new templars Aug 04 13:31:45 i think they are just trying to scam gold from the church :) Aug 04 13:31:57 sure they are Aug 04 13:32:33 Then they should declare a Crusade and lay siege on Vatican Aug 04 13:32:50 Isn't it the knightly thing to do? Aug 04 13:32:54 are you sure they know which side to grab sword from? Aug 04 13:32:59 *a Aug 04 13:33:27 hm.. is 128M really big enough for a swap for this? Aug 04 13:33:37 Well, that is of no concern to the public Aug 04 13:33:54 don't they still have the vatican guard.. in like.. old school knight clothes protecting the vatican? Aug 04 13:34:21 that's the swiss guard and i don't think they are dressed as knights Aug 04 13:34:27 i vaguely remember seeing that in euro trip Aug 04 13:34:38 where do the swiss come into this? Aug 04 13:34:52 no, they are dressed as clowns. Aug 04 13:34:56 Sitzerland? Aug 04 13:34:56 one day the pop decided to find the most neutral country in the world and say "you're going to have to protect us" Aug 04 13:34:57 no idea, but that's how the guard is called Aug 04 13:35:25 i guess because the swiss have all the countries' monies stored in their vaults Aug 04 13:36:06 all the blood covered, unlaundered monies Aug 04 13:36:11 hm.. do i set a bootable flag on any of these partitions? Aug 04 13:36:17 thats swiss guard indeed Aug 04 13:36:36 The Papal Swiss Guard in the Vatican was founded in 1506 and is the only Swiss Guard that still exists. Aug 04 13:36:38 in order to get nit-debian to boot? it doesn't say anything about it in the instructions Aug 04 13:39:15 to ext3 ... or not to ext3.. that is the question Aug 04 13:40:12 to Aug 04 13:40:32 Oh.. They really are dressed like clowns Aug 04 13:40:35 heh... yeah .. i picked ext3... but on an 8G flash Aug 04 13:40:46 yeah. they look all yellow Aug 04 13:40:53 with chef hats on Aug 04 13:42:36 well.. it seems to be finally installing to the partition.. this looks like it's going to take a year so i'm going to sleep.. hopefully it doesn't run into problems Aug 04 13:44:18 i hope this nit-debian install doesn't suck :) Aug 04 13:48:38 Damn. It's probably too late for me to apply Aug 04 13:49:42 for the swiss guard? :) Aug 04 13:50:11 Yes Aug 04 13:50:35 just walk up to the vatican in a monk suit whipping yourself in tongue Aug 04 13:50:59 Maybe a foreign legion.. Aug 04 13:51:34 wow.. nit-debian has a ton of debs for armel Aug 04 13:52:34 sure looks promising.. as long as cups works.. i'm a happy camper.. and maybe my bt keyboard.. that would be nice too :) Aug 04 13:54:50 Hehe, MPAA wants to illegalize analog video outputs Aug 04 13:56:03 argh... I find everything thinkable but no battery voltage or battery percents Aug 04 13:57:26 Nothing you can derive them from? Aug 04 13:57:39 i'm never paying to see a movie again in my life Aug 04 13:58:03 pupnik: what sucked? Aug 04 13:58:07 no Aug 04 13:58:18 mpaa. Aug 04 13:58:27 Tim Buckley - Song to the Siren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2QmQhYZEvQ Aug 04 13:58:29 "Oh my heart, oh my heart... shies from the sorrow." Aug 04 13:58:33 oh Aug 04 13:59:03 that, and there are better things to do with time, solmumaha Aug 04 14:00:53 could be Aug 04 14:01:06 let me know if you find something Aug 04 14:04:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW31ruQG1Xk&NR bill hicks - revelations Aug 04 14:07:13 Okay... enough for today - I`ll try tomorrow agin... bye Aug 04 14:24:33 Macor: you succeeded? Aug 04 14:27:16 Ok, I dont be want to be arrogant or anything, but i would like anyone to answer quickly. I bought a 2 GB card. My 770 says is corrupted or not formated. Can i format the card with it in the device and the deevice connected via USB? I don't know if it's mounted, because if i do as root umount /media/mmc1 it says umount invalid argument. Aug 04 14:27:26 does gnome-vfs is available on diablo ? Aug 04 14:27:44 does we can mount drive by ssh with it ? Aug 04 14:27:58 Binky: you should be able to format it vfat with a card reader Aug 04 14:28:01 Binky: I would format it with external card reader Aug 04 14:28:16 I do not know does 770 kernel handled 2GB sd cards Aug 04 14:28:39 my 770 handles and formats 2GB rs-mmc, but i forgot if it's an updated kernel Aug 04 14:28:56 pupnik, hrw , i would if i have one. That's why i'm so desesperated Aug 04 14:29:13 I have the first OS2006 release. Aug 04 14:29:27 so can you format with it connected to usb... is the question Aug 04 14:29:39 hrw - do you know? Aug 04 14:29:39 Binky: i think fanoush's page mentions something about it Aug 04 14:30:05 Stskeeps, thank you, i'll give it a look Aug 04 14:30:18 pupnik, yes, it is Aug 04 14:30:21 Khertan: there is gnome-vfs but no idea about ssh Aug 04 14:30:43 it should be formatable *IF* tablet see it properly Aug 04 14:31:01 Binky: insert card into 770 and check dmesg does it recognize card Aug 04 14:31:08 hrw > ok thanks ... i ll look Aug 04 14:31:19 there was a problem with >1GB sd cards several kernel versions ago Aug 04 14:31:51 [ 2226.326995] FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors Aug 04 14:32:09 if someone doesn't know what to do ... i ve pycripto to compile and update to extras devel :) Aug 04 14:32:16 [ 2226.327087] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on mmcblk0p1 Aug 04 14:32:38 Binky: tried to format it with os2006? Aug 04 14:34:09 From File Manager? If i click it says is not inserted Aug 04 14:34:45 And with efs2progs (or something like it) i have to umount it, where i didn't suceed Aug 04 14:48:32 Binky: please pastebin dmesg when you insert card Aug 04 14:48:34 ~pastebin Aug 04 14:48:35 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Aug 04 14:52:14 [ 4331.519226] MMC2: Command timeout, CMD7 Aug 04 14:52:23 Oh, i don't get it Aug 04 14:52:24 Lol Aug 04 14:52:31 ok, so it does not like it rather Aug 04 14:53:22 http://pastebin.ca/1092538 Aug 04 14:53:28 Here it is full Aug 04 14:53:47 no card then Aug 04 14:54:35 It is inserted in slot, but if i connect 770 to my pc, i'm able to write data Aug 04 14:54:51 then try to format it from pc Aug 04 14:55:07 but I do not have too good thinking about it Aug 04 14:55:20 When connected to my pc, can i format it or will i break something because its inserted? Aug 04 14:55:36 My 770 is not under warranty... lol Aug 04 14:57:04 Binky: mine never was Aug 04 14:58:01 As mine (second-handed) Aug 04 14:58:16 But is the second week it's in my possesion Aug 04 15:00:07 Binky: I am first owner of that 770 but I got it boxed from Nokia guy Aug 04 15:01:30 So, you got it free? Aug 04 15:01:39 yes Aug 04 15:01:59 Lucky you... Aug 04 15:02:00 otherwise I would not buy it - its too underpowered to be usable Aug 04 15:08:04 hmm? Aug 04 15:09:57 I'm going to reflash, bye Aug 04 15:10:11 t_s_o: ? Aug 04 15:10:27 i missed what device you where talking about Aug 04 15:10:32 770 Aug 04 15:15:05 ah Aug 04 15:15:48 i have one here thats whitescreened. but as its a us model that expansys sold of to cover orders in europe, nokia wont touch it for some silly reason... Aug 04 15:18:48 Has anyone got maemotex to work in n810? Would be so nice to get it :/ Aug 04 15:31:11 Is it quiet here, or my network connection is gone? Aug 04 15:32:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1lHb3ODuko 800-watt Optibike on dirt track chases train. Aug 04 15:32:23 shh, don't disturb the coders Aug 04 15:34:09 cool, electric bike is my dream Aug 04 15:41:39 that gang of young colorado freaks kicked all of the swiss', german, china's, japan's and korea's e-bike asses with that thing Aug 04 15:44:55 $9000, OMG Aug 04 15:48:43 * lcuk is huntin' wabbits Aug 04 15:50:26 * qwerty12 refrains from demonstrating the rabbit joke involving a farmer and a knife Aug 04 15:50:48 (well imaginary knife anyway. and imaginary rabbit come think of it too) Aug 04 15:51:43 you can get chinese grandmother e-bikes for a few hundred dollars zap Aug 04 15:52:06 this one, for example http://www.electric-bikes.com/bikes/kits.html#BMC Aug 04 15:53:46 hi I got a question regarding the performance of the maemo platform on email and imap Aug 04 15:54:19 I tried to get my gmail on imap on my n800 but I saw my app collapse by so much email. I wonder if it download the email to the system or can I fine tune it to show me the email of a period of time Aug 04 15:54:50 JZA, is this OS2007 or the latest OS2008? Aug 04 15:54:54 OS2008 Aug 04 15:54:55 Diablo Aug 04 15:55:20 nevermind then...just wondering Aug 04 15:55:33 out of curiosity, how many messages do you have? Aug 04 15:55:39 a lo Aug 04 15:55:41 lot Aug 04 15:55:52 around 30000 Aug 04 15:56:28 did you ever considering archiving or labeling some? Aug 04 15:56:32 I actually dont mind getting email, I just want to be able to send. Aug 04 15:57:21 It makes sense to create a folder called "Archive" and move all the contents of the inbox there Aug 04 15:57:25 johnx: do u mean archieve on n800 or on the Gmail account (web) Aug 04 15:57:39 on the gmail web interface Aug 04 15:57:43 but anyway, you better set up a account in the built-in mail application and read/write mail through it Aug 04 15:58:01 zap? Aug 04 15:58:22 johnx, well I'll give it a try Aug 04 15:59:11 JZA: sorry for my bad English, what you did not understand? Aug 04 16:19:21 hi folks Aug 04 16:19:51 does anybody know how to install a .deb into the removable card space? Aug 04 16:20:41 ie freeciv won't fit into my program memory so I wish to install it onto my sd card. Aug 04 16:21:09 camden: it's very difficult Aug 04 16:21:22 I was worried about that Aug 04 16:21:31 you'd have to reformat the SD card as ext2 (or ext3) and then set up bind mounts or symlinks or something Aug 04 16:21:42 or just copy your root fs onto it Aug 04 16:21:48 hmm Aug 04 16:22:46 o mgedmin Aug 04 16:22:52 meow Aug 04 16:22:54 mgedmin: hi, how was pythoon conf? Aug 04 16:22:58 nice Aug 04 16:27:39 camden, well you can probably move some data files, not executables from /usr/share to the sd card to free some space, and then simlynk Aug 04 16:29:43 Interesting Aug 04 16:29:57 It isn't practical to, say, just remount /usr onto the sd card? Aug 04 16:30:44 ... I suppose that was also entail never removing the SD card again :) Aug 04 16:30:45 if its not ext3 / ext2 I'm not sure if it gonna work, aren't there /usr/bin executables? Aug 04 16:31:01 bef0rd: well. ext3 sure, that's not a problem Aug 04 16:31:18 and I guess if I unmounted it the real /usr would appear - but then I'd have issue of keeping 'em in sync Aug 04 16:31:34 'spose some other space-sucking low hanging fruit would be a better target Aug 04 16:31:44 on my computer, that is usually /home :) Aug 04 16:32:07 bef0rd: that symlink sounds like a better idea :) Aug 04 16:33:08 well, I have no problem moving files, making symlinks, and such, but it's a lot of trouble. for now I'll remove the wasteful apps. Aug 04 16:33:12 thanks for the advice folks. Aug 04 16:33:31 heh, I actually only did that with lxdoom folder, I wanted to add several custom wads Aug 04 16:49:45 have a nice evening - I go for a walk Aug 04 17:05:43 is there strace on diablo? Aug 04 17:10:03 I believe it's available from a repository Aug 04 17:10:05 hendry: yes, in diablo/tools repository. Aug 04 17:11:01 johnx, the holy grail is also available from a repository, as is elvis. the trick is knowing which repo Aug 04 17:11:35 lcuk, gronmayer.com/it has strace. no idea about elvis. Jesus is ... right behind you! watch out! Aug 04 17:11:48 the FSM will protect me Aug 04 17:12:15 his noodly appendage is installed Aug 04 17:13:28 * nemo looks for FSM in cowsay Aug 04 17:13:39 apt-cache search fsm Aug 04 17:13:50 aww. not there Aug 04 17:13:58 guess I'll have to make one Aug 04 17:14:37 I have no sound on video playback on the N800 Aug 04 17:15:11 please help Aug 04 17:15:25 stock media player or mplayer? Aug 04 17:15:29 you need to tell us a little more info Aug 04 17:15:39 any video or a particular video? :) Aug 04 17:15:41 I am using the default media player Aug 04 17:15:51 have you tested more than one file? are you sure the sound isn't set to mute? Aug 04 17:15:58 volume up there and in control panel? Aug 04 17:15:58 I just copied an mpeg4 to the SD card Aug 04 17:16:03 what have you done/installed recently? Aug 04 17:16:08 volume is all up Aug 04 17:16:11 and sound is working Aug 04 17:16:14 check other files Aug 04 17:16:16 just not on the vid Aug 04 17:16:17 does the included video play? and what error do you get? Aug 04 17:16:34 have not installed anything in months Aug 04 17:16:46 the video plays very well Aug 04 17:17:00 alright, so a certain video you have isn't compatible Aug 04 17:17:03 is that correct? Aug 04 17:17:16 try mplayer, it's better and eats more formats Aug 04 17:17:20 is not compatible? Aug 04 17:17:29 mpeg4 Aug 04 17:17:35 a certain video you have doesn't work, but others do, right? Aug 04 17:17:46 sound could be encoded in a whacky format Aug 04 17:17:54 "mpeg4" is a name that contains a lot of sub-formats Aug 04 17:18:08 Audio Codec: MPEG 1 Audio, Layer 3 (MP3) Aug 04 17:18:15 <^meus> hello Aug 04 17:18:18 thats strange then Aug 04 17:18:27 but anyway, try mplayer Aug 04 17:18:29 Channel: Stereo Aug 04 17:18:38 is mplayer in the repos? Aug 04 17:18:42 should be Aug 04 17:18:56 yes, it is Aug 04 17:19:07 ok Aug 04 17:19:36 I had tried another mp4 file and the sound was there .. but off-sync Aug 04 17:19:41 zetheroo, any chance your audio system is in use? Aug 04 17:19:45 ahhh right Aug 04 17:19:59 audio on the device is working throughout Aug 04 17:20:07 but there is not other media playing other than the vid Aug 04 17:20:13 what is the resolution of the video that had out-of-sync sound? Aug 04 17:20:29 oof.. I dunno Aug 04 17:20:34 would it make a diff? Aug 04 17:20:57 the one I am trying to play now is 320 x 240 Aug 04 17:21:01 sure, N8x0 cannot play high-res videos Aug 04 17:21:25 mplayer can handle up to something like 512x304 Aug 04 17:21:32 and stock media player up to 400x240 Aug 04 17:22:18 i need some help Aug 04 17:22:52 i'm trying to load plugin outside of the plugin loader on maemo (diablo 4.1 is the one i'm testing) Aug 04 17:23:01 and i'm trying to load them with python Aug 04 17:23:02 the dimensions of the off-sync file was also 320 x 240 Aug 04 17:23:22 actually i don't know what i'm doing wrong with liboss Aug 04 17:23:24 libosso Aug 04 17:23:26 Audio Codec: MPEG-4 AAC audio Aug 04 17:23:31 or if i need to use dbus Aug 04 17:23:39 (python-dbus) Aug 04 17:23:45 zetheroo, reboto your nit, something might have screwed up with mp3? Aug 04 17:23:53 reboot even Aug 04 17:24:16 ;-) Aug 04 17:24:50 morgon freeman is in hospital :O Aug 04 17:25:01 somebody know something about this topic? Aug 04 17:25:16 ok mplayer is not at all playing this file... the sound is all scambled and the picture moves once every 10 seconds Aug 04 17:26:53 any ideas? Aug 04 17:27:49 try it on desktop Aug 04 17:27:56 zetheroo: is mplayer working fine with another kind of videos? Aug 04 17:28:12 try the video on a computer? Aug 04 17:28:23 I have .. it works perfectly Aug 04 17:28:32 very strange Aug 04 17:29:12 looks as if your video uses a very high bitrate Aug 04 17:29:16 too high for 320x240 Aug 04 17:29:41 what size (MB) and what length (hours/minutes) is it? Aug 04 17:29:50 zetheroo: is mplayer playing the audio fine? Aug 04 17:30:30 the file is 1 hour and 14 min Aug 04 17:30:40 280 MB Aug 04 17:31:08 Audio Bitrate: 128 kbps Aug 04 17:31:22 VLC plays it perfectly in Ubuntu Aug 04 17:31:57 Totem does not play it though Aug 04 17:32:38 looks fine Aug 04 17:33:33 300kbit video, 128kbit audio Aug 04 17:33:40 pretty easy to decode Aug 04 17:33:55 :) Aug 04 17:34:16 can you split a small piece of it so that I can download and see it? Aug 04 17:34:29 with avidemux2 for example Aug 04 17:34:34 hello Aug 04 17:34:35 how would I do that? Aug 04 17:35:00 install avidemux2 (apt-get install avidemux2) then open the video in it, set start and end point, select "copy" mode and save Aug 04 17:35:28 something like a 1Mb piece would be fine Aug 04 17:35:37 I have avidmux ... its what I used to convert this video Aug 04 17:35:44 ok Aug 04 17:36:12 You may want to try this converter: http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=9512 Aug 04 17:38:10 ok I have a 3.6 mb file Aug 04 17:38:19 how can I send it to you? Aug 04 17:38:48 just like that :) Aug 04 17:38:54 arm.com! Aug 04 17:38:54 cool Aug 04 17:39:11 dl.free.fr Aug 04 17:39:17 let us catch and torture him in our underground chamber! Aug 04 17:42:57 anyone that can help with python, dbus and/or libosso? Aug 04 17:43:13 epends Aug 04 17:43:19 depends. ask. Aug 04 17:43:42 ok lets see it... Aug 04 17:44:11 ok, i wanna load hildondesktop plugins Aug 04 17:44:26 without using the plugins loader of maemo Aug 04 17:44:58 and i don't know what i'm doing wrong with libosso Aug 04 17:45:48 (those are python plugins and the example i took of the loader is the one into the python-maemo web) Aug 04 17:46:05 so i create the osso.Context Aug 04 17:46:19 and the osso.Plugin Aug 04 17:46:39 but the osso.plugin_execute doesn't work Aug 04 17:47:45 i cannot execute it inside scratchbox or inside the device (N800 + Maemo Diablo) Aug 04 17:48:05 zetheroo: okay, here's my diagnosøû Aug 04 17:48:09 *diagnosis Aug 04 17:48:21 zap: ok Aug 04 17:48:23 zetheroo: the AVI index is somewhat broken (?) Aug 04 17:48:35 zetheroo: try playing from command line with the -forceidx switch Aug 04 17:48:51 then it plays fine and the CPU load is around 30% Aug 04 17:49:19 this seems a bit over my head Aug 04 17:49:42 okay, step-by-step: 1. open a terminal (know how to do it)? Aug 04 17:49:53 open Aug 04 17:50:09 now enter: mplayer /media/mmc1/*.avi Aug 04 17:50:17 (provided your avi file is in /media/mmc1) Aug 04 17:50:41 do I need to be doing this in the N800 or on the computer? Aug 04 17:50:47 on N800 Aug 04 17:50:50 ugh Aug 04 17:50:54 n800! :) Aug 04 17:50:56 oh ha Aug 04 17:51:02 okay, it has a screen keyboard anyway :) Aug 04 17:51:15 a bit easier on n810 but never mind Aug 04 17:51:28 ok so the terminal is open Aug 04 17:51:34 and? Aug 04 17:51:50 Anybody good at drawing icons? Aug 04 17:52:03 RST38h: borrow without shame from /usr/share/icons Aug 04 17:52:12 (if your program is GPLd, that is) Aug 04 17:52:22 hi is there a developer here? i want to have a very basic app for my n800 Aug 04 17:52:23 they are cc i believe Aug 04 17:52:26 zap: It is not Aug 04 17:52:38 zap: And I can't find the right icons anyway Aug 04 17:52:38 basically a dialg and 2 buttons, one to insert text, the other to send an the other to quit Aug 04 17:52:48 is there like a template of gui that I can just connect. Aug 04 17:53:02 zap: So looking for someone to draw three svg icons Aug 04 17:53:03 I got a simple bashscript "oneliner" that I want to put a gui on it. Aug 04 17:53:45 zetheroo: how its going? Aug 04 17:54:09 still trying to enter the proper command Aug 04 17:54:13 :) Aug 04 17:54:16 :) Aug 04 17:54:23 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/s/sdk-default-icons/ Aug 04 17:54:37 'free' as in 'GPL' :) Aug 04 17:55:03 Well, if it is LGPL then I do not mind Aug 04 17:55:07 Full GPL won't do though Aug 04 17:55:19 RST38h: you may take a look at the internets, there are sites with absolutely free icons Aug 04 17:55:33 zap: I already looked, really Aug 04 17:55:38 sad Aug 04 17:55:44 And even painted a few icons myself Aug 04 17:55:57 The remaining three are ones I can't figure out on my own =( Aug 04 17:56:02 unfortunately I'm not much of a painter :) Aug 04 17:56:13 zap: ok I did it and its opened like before... garbled sound and jumpy video Aug 04 17:56:43 zetheroo: okay, now press the Up arrow (to open the old command again) and add -forceidx to the end of command (after a space) Aug 04 17:56:53 zetheroo, watch it on your big one and put it out of your mind for a while - you could have seen it all by now Aug 04 17:57:27 lcuk: you don't understand ... I am doing this becasue I will need to take video with me on a trip... on this unit Aug 04 17:57:38 zap: ok one sec Aug 04 17:57:38 zetheroo: but in any case, I would recommend to use my program that I pointed above - it will easily generate video that is playable on N8x0 Aug 04 17:59:10 lcuk: The ones in the archive are nice Aug 04 17:59:13 zap: still the same with the -forceidx at the back of the command Aug 04 17:59:15 No match though. Aug 04 17:59:41 zetheroo: strange, although I tried with -forceidx right after 'mplayer' Aug 04 17:59:46 * RST38h has to show a SEGA console, a ColecoVision console, and a GameBoy Advance Aug 04 17:59:49 e.g. mplayer -forceidx /media/mmc1/*.avi Aug 04 17:59:57 zap: oh ok Aug 04 18:00:00 not sure if it matters, I'll try again with -forceidx at the end Aug 04 18:00:27 hmm no, it works at the end too Aug 04 18:00:43 zetheroo: okay, then you may fix the index on your PC Aug 04 18:01:02 RST38h, just cheat and write the words in an icon - it will suffice for v1 wont it? Aug 04 18:01:13 zap: one thing though ... the file on the PDA ends with .mpeg not .avi Aug 04 18:01:29 is it mpeg4? Aug 04 18:01:39 oh Aug 04 18:01:51 looks like you embedded a MPEG4 stream into a .mpeg file Aug 04 18:02:01 don't do that, its pretty non-standard Aug 04 18:02:22 zetheroo, have you tried running it through one of the media converters? Aug 04 18:02:28 zap: when I just copied the file to the SD card the N800 could not open it at all becasue it said it did not have a program to open it with.... so I renamed it to .mpeg Aug 04 18:02:45 so it's an AVI container really? Aug 04 18:02:47 lcuk: It won't =( Aug 04 18:02:48 wow Aug 04 18:02:49 either the nokia one or the one zap said Aug 04 18:03:02 * RST38h wants correct icons not just some icons - those he can draw himself Aug 04 18:03:19 :( RST38h then do a quick GIS for the keywords and make an icon from the preview bitmaps Aug 04 18:03:52 zetheroo: try this on your PC: mencoder -forceidx -oac copy -ovc copy myfile.avi -o myfile-fixed.avi Aug 04 18:04:02 then copy myfile-fixed.avi to N8x0 and try playing it Aug 04 18:04:44 this worked for the clip you sent me Aug 04 18:04:49 lcuk: need 3 icons for Maemo alone + 88x88 .SVG icon for S60 + some icons for UIQ + of course a windows icon Aug 04 18:04:55 lcuk: So it has to be in SVG Aug 04 18:05:50 hi, I have a N810 and I'm trying to make the CPU go as fast as possible Aug 04 18:06:02 zetheroo: and plays even with the stock media player Aug 04 18:06:18 I've borrowed some cpufreq sysctls from http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17666&page=8 , although they didn't have much effect on my test case Aug 04 18:06:28 are there any othe tricks I should use? Aug 04 18:06:53 N810 uses a overclocked CPU anyways Aug 04 18:07:16 the normal running speed for OMAP2420 is 330MHz and on N810 it's clocked at 400 Aug 04 18:07:26 (I don't care about battery life) Aug 04 18:07:36 and about frying your CPU? :) Aug 04 18:07:44 yeah, I care a little about that :) Aug 04 18:08:02 there's a temperature sensor in the chip though Aug 04 18:08:04 but just for short-time testing, it shouldn't matter too much Aug 04 18:08:36 well I guess you will want to look at the kernel sources Aug 04 18:08:45 there should be the code to clock the CPU Aug 04 18:08:53 i thought the 2420 speed is supposed to be set by vendor from something like ~100mhz - 1ghz Aug 04 18:08:55 you will want to patch it :) Aug 04 18:09:22 really? so changing the cpufreq configuration isn't enough? Aug 04 18:09:22 Luria: well, on Texas Instruments OMAP2420 page it says the speed is 330Mhz Aug 04 18:09:40 runehol: cpufreq module exposes only four speeds, and the max is 400 Aug 04 18:09:49 ah Aug 04 18:09:50 if you want more, you will have to modify the cpufreq driver Aug 04 18:09:54 well, 400 should be fine Aug 04 18:10:02 it's at 400 already Aug 04 18:10:13 the strange thing is that changing the cpufreq configuration didn't seem to have any effect at all Aug 04 18:10:13 (when under load, that is) Aug 04 18:10:22 which let me to believe that I did it incorrectly Aug 04 18:10:40 if you see no effect, it means that the speed governor works very well ;) Aug 04 18:10:42 I've basically done the following as root: Aug 04 18:10:43 echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Aug 04 18:10:44 echo 400000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq Aug 04 18:11:10 in a constant load situation ondemand should be fine Aug 04 18:11:16 yeah, I suppose that might be it. I could try setting the max scaling frequency and see if performance goes down Aug 04 18:11:28 it's when the load dips down then comes back up often that it doesn't cope all that well... Aug 04 18:11:53 [root@tota|/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats]cat time_in_state Aug 04 18:11:53 165000 33111704 Aug 04 18:11:53 266000 26890 Aug 04 18:11:53 330000 346603 Aug 04 18:11:53 400000 5343148 Aug 04 18:12:00 runehol: try the above Aug 04 18:12:09 you'll see how much time it spends at every frequence Aug 04 18:12:11 330 to 1ghz Aug 04 18:12:13 yeah, I saw the 400000 stats increase after having pegged it Aug 04 18:12:42 thats it; ~120 (iirc) is power save idle Aug 04 18:13:27 note, this does not mean the n8x0 can safely do this given the cooling issues with its form factor Aug 04 18:13:50 thats why you'll want a plugin that shows CPU temperature Aug 04 18:13:59 and unfortunately, I don't know about one Aug 04 18:14:14 there's a little temp monitor app Aug 04 18:14:14 okay, and the speed of my test case goes down when setting scaling_max_freq to 165 MHz Aug 04 18:14:23 so basically, cpufreq does great out of the box Aug 04 18:14:25 don't know if it pulls from the CPU or another internal sensor... Aug 04 18:14:27 thanks for the help Aug 04 18:15:19 johnx: it's some device on the i2c-1 bus Aug 04 18:15:25 dunno where's that physically Aug 04 18:15:39 tmp105 Aug 04 18:15:51 the temp monitor I'm thinking of is at nitapps.com Aug 04 18:16:59 yes I've seen it, but it's a command-line app iirc Aug 04 18:17:12 oh, i like nitapps. Aug 04 18:17:24 i just realized i have the repo... Aug 04 18:17:33 the diablo image to reflash the n810 is 128mb big? Aug 04 18:17:53 there about Aug 04 18:18:23 yicks Aug 04 18:18:48 ... 129103249 2008-07-30 15:58 RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Aug 04 18:19:07 need an md5sum? :-) Aug 04 18:19:44 jott: thanks btw Aug 04 18:19:50 runehol, simplest cpu switching is just to change the ummmm gimme a minute Aug 04 18:20:02 (speaking of, i had an infinite reboot on my first flash. i dont know if it was because i used the static flasher or had a corrupted d/l, so i changed both Aug 04 18:20:42 zetheroo: any success? Aug 04 18:20:43 runehol, are you trying to set the speed from console, or something within your app Aug 04 18:22:50 and finally, runehol changing the scaling_governor is best way to work, you can choose things like powersave to always stay slow, or performance to always run fastest (400). the default governor (ondemand) does what it says on the tin, but does not scale equally so your app speeds up and slows down - it throws off all sorts of timings Aug 04 18:23:02 I'm on Windows already so I'll use Nokia's software to reflash it Aug 04 18:23:04 does it provide checksum? Aug 04 18:23:22 dunno, havent used it in months Aug 04 18:23:29 im sure it will be fine Aug 04 18:23:48 lcuk: I've just set it from xterm Aug 04 18:23:51 heh ok Aug 04 18:24:24 I can see som jittering in the timing with the default governor Aug 04 18:24:32 that sucks Aug 04 18:24:42 so I should probably whip up some scripts to set the governor when I need it Aug 04 18:24:43 b'hatzlacha Aug 04 18:24:53 i fell asleep while nit-debian was installing and there was some keymap thing that i was supposed to go through Aug 04 18:25:03 runehol, fair enough :) when i was writing the code for liqbase i went through similar - but very substantial jitter. Aug 04 18:25:03 so it just sat there :) Aug 04 18:26:04 i used to use a script from scratchbox which would echo the performance setting in, copy my app over, execute it and then knock the cpu back down after finishing Aug 04 18:26:17 Macor, yeah, so it goes >P Aug 04 18:27:00 haha Aug 04 18:27:10 runehol, http://de.pastebin.ca/986570 was what i used for ages Aug 04 18:27:20 how crappy :) now i have to wait for it to unpack a ton of pkgs Aug 04 18:27:25 now i dont bother and run in performance all the time im plugged in Aug 04 18:27:29 i was hoping it would be done and i could boot it by now Aug 04 18:27:45 wow 3G Modem drivers is coming to maemo :D iphone will be loser again Aug 04 18:27:53 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/modem/ Aug 04 18:28:00 3G modem drivers? Aug 04 18:28:00 lcuk: thanks Aug 04 18:28:26 er. i've been using my 3G phone with it since i bought it :) Aug 04 18:28:46 macor, whats the iphone like for writing on? Aug 04 18:29:04 for usb modems maybe? Aug 04 18:29:06 i don't know. i don't have an iphone. i was talking about on my n800 Aug 04 18:29:11 Macor what's ur phone? Aug 04 18:29:13 :D Aug 04 18:29:23 n95 Aug 04 18:29:38 no i am talking about Aug 04 18:29:40 why cant nokia make 3/4 band hsdpa phones Aug 04 18:29:40 OY Aug 04 18:29:42 IY Aug 04 18:29:44 IT Aug 04 18:29:45 y Aug 04 18:30:18 i wish my n800 had gsm for simcart :( Aug 04 18:30:31 er Aug 04 18:31:11 IT Could Won The World And Iphone Will Hide Aug 04 18:31:25 lol Hulk.R5.XviD-PUKKA Aug 04 18:31:49 Iron.Man.R5.XviD-BaLD Aug 04 18:31:51 lol Aug 04 18:32:32 RST38h, is there some trick to disabling the sound in vgba? Aug 04 18:33:42 Unpacking oss-wireless-module (from .../oss-wireless-module-1.2-1.deb) ... Aug 04 18:34:05 what kind of wifi does an n800 use? Aug 04 18:34:33 cx3110x Aug 04 18:34:46 Macor download wifi info app! Aug 04 18:35:11 how are ya johnx? Aug 04 18:35:19 pretty good Aug 04 18:35:35 but also tired Aug 04 18:35:44 any news for carman? Aug 04 18:35:46 no. installing debian on my n800 Aug 04 18:37:11 Macor http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wifiinfo/ Aug 04 18:37:16 Batman.The.Dark.Knight.720p.BluRay.x264-SEPTiC fake or no? Aug 04 18:37:41 Italodance, this isn't a warez channel :/ Aug 04 18:37:51 hehe y Aug 04 18:37:56 does this look like #l33thax0ingw4r3z? Aug 04 18:38:46 macor thats false advertising dude Aug 04 18:39:06 somebody know how can i load hildondesktop home applets out of the maemo plugin loader(python or c)? Aug 04 18:42:50 ap31r0n, you will have to build yourself something which gives the desktop framework without the desktop being there. why do you want to unhook the applets ? Aug 04 18:44:51 well, actually i'm developing some tools Aug 04 18:45:02 and i want to load or unload some applets Aug 04 18:45:06 from the main app Aug 04 18:45:21 depending on the use Aug 04 18:46:29 so you want your own applet framework? Aug 04 18:46:54 cos wont your app have different features than the hildon desktop Aug 04 18:47:15 uhm Aug 04 18:47:26 not different features Aug 04 18:48:01 i can load them from the applet loader Aug 04 18:48:42 the thing is that i'm changing the applets frequently Aug 04 18:48:55 so you are writing a new control panel doofer to control the existing applets, or you have your own window and you want to host applets within it Aug 04 18:49:31 well, it's like the first thing Aug 04 18:49:40 i've an app Aug 04 18:49:48 and i want to load some applets son the Home Aug 04 18:49:55 (on the home) Aug 04 18:50:11 for example Aug 04 18:50:37 i have and editor and i want to load a "post it" with some notes like an applet Aug 04 18:50:44 from my app Aug 04 18:50:49 What video format is best suited for the n810? Aug 04 18:50:51 or unload the old post-it Aug 04 18:51:01 zap: I have downloaded and installed that other app you told me of .... just wondering how long it takes for a video to convert? Aug 04 18:51:11 Which one uses the least cpu? Aug 04 18:51:15 nano- xvid with mp3 Aug 04 18:51:27 check Aug 04 18:51:34 Easy way to do it is to grab a copy og tablet-encode or ITVC Aug 04 18:51:47 make sure it's 44.1 or lower. Aug 04 18:52:06 There's a media encoding article at wiki.maemo.org Aug 04 18:52:23 Search for it, it'll tell you what you need to know. Aug 04 18:52:33 nice.thanks. Aug 04 18:53:06 ?? Aug 04 18:53:19 zap: you still here? Aug 04 18:53:22 ap31r0n, each applet on the desktop needs to have a .desktop file - wont that become unmanagable pretty soon requiring multiple .desktop files for each postit (whether shown or not?) Aug 04 18:53:37 anyone else know how to use TinyAVI? Aug 04 18:53:53 lcuk: uhm... i see Aug 04 18:54:04 zetheroo: yes Aug 04 18:54:13 zetheroo: whats the problem with it? Aug 04 18:54:31 zap: well it just seems to take much longer than Avidmux Aug 04 18:54:34 lcuk: well, that's not my problem Aug 04 18:54:45 lcuk: i only need one applet for managing that applet Aug 04 18:54:52 that notes Aug 04 18:54:52 zetheroo: how much? For me it's about 20-30 minutes Aug 04 18:55:08 ~tablet-encode Aug 04 18:55:27 zap: well its at 2 percent .... its been about 5 min Aug 04 18:55:35 is that normal? Aug 04 18:55:42 what CPU do you have? Aug 04 18:55:43 ~tablet-encode is http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ Jaffa's media encoding suite. Aug 04 18:55:44 GAN800: okay Aug 04 18:55:52 lcuk: the thing is that i want to control it from my app without copying it on the /usr/lib/hildon-desktop and /usr/share/applications/hildon-home ... Aug 04 18:56:39 or hildon at all :) Aug 04 18:56:41 heh Aug 04 18:56:44 zap: its a Duo Core 2.0 GHZ Aug 04 18:56:59 Desktop applets aren't really meant to be loaded and unloaded dynamically all the time. Aug 04 18:57:00 zap: it just seemed that Avidmux was alot faster ... Aug 04 18:57:09 im not sure if its possible Aug 04 18:57:12 zap: did a whole movie in about 25 min Aug 04 18:57:26 zetheroo: thats what I have on Core Duo 2/2.4Ghz Aug 04 18:57:27 Maybe not two-pads Aug 04 18:57:37 s/pads/pass/ Aug 04 18:57:37 GAN800 meant: Maybe not two-pass Aug 04 18:57:53 zetheroo: have you used two-pass encoding in avidemux? Aug 04 18:58:16 zap: not sure ... I did not manually change any settings Aug 04 18:58:22 tablet-encode is the way to go. ;) Aug 04 18:58:39 lcuk: anyway, do you think that i can load and unload one applet from my app without touching the applet loader? Aug 04 18:58:48 GAN800: have you tried my program, or it's just out of your head? Aug 04 18:59:05 GAN800: or you did any comparison? Aug 04 18:59:06 ap31r0n, ive just been looking, ive not found anything myself yet Aug 04 19:00:42 ok Aug 04 19:00:53 zap, something tablet-specific. I like and use tablet-encode. It's been around for a long time. Aug 04 19:00:57 zetheroo: what settings you were using, I'll try now Aug 04 19:01:07 GAN800: my prog is also tablet specific, so? Aug 04 19:02:06 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Aug 04 19:02:08 zetheroo: what settings are you using, I'll try it here Aug 04 19:02:11 son of a bitch! Aug 04 19:02:36 Chroot command failed: ['chroot', '/mnt/nit-debian', 'apt-get', 'install', '-y', '--force-yes', 'nit-env-stskeeps'] Aug 04 19:02:37 zetheroo: encoding a 1.4Gb file with N8xx/mplayer medium quality settings? Aug 04 19:03:14 zap: encoding a 700MB file with medium quality and size Aug 04 19:03:19 Macor: could you put the whole screen on rafb.net/paste ? Aug 04 19:03:19 ok Aug 04 19:03:32 Stskeeps - sure Aug 04 19:03:52 Macor: as i'll be able to figure out what goes on then :P Aug 04 19:04:01 zap: Mplaer angine - best Aug 04 19:04:24 zetheroo: by the way, you can encode two videos at once Aug 04 19:04:34 zetheroo: tinyavi will detect and use 2 cores if you have them Aug 04 19:04:44 zap: oh ok Aug 04 19:04:51 i'd like to compile a pure qt program for maemo diablo, what's the easiest way to do this? Aug 04 19:04:51 Stskeeps - http://rafb.net/p/vIRRc013.html Aug 04 19:04:58 it seems to be from the keymap Aug 04 19:05:56 chrooting and installing nit-env-stskeeps seems to work fine Aug 04 19:06:02 that's odd though Aug 04 19:06:04 zap, what advantage does your program offer over 'one more option'? Aug 04 19:06:17 no wait..... Aug 04 19:06:21 GAN800: try and see Aug 04 19:06:39 and compare result size/quality Aug 04 19:06:43 Sorry, don't have the time or equipment for that right now. Aug 04 19:06:46 zap: I ma at 21 percent now Aug 04 19:06:47 no it doesn't... it's nit-env-stskeeps Aug 04 19:06:52 i'll paste the error Aug 04 19:07:05 zetheroo: I'm at 5% and I started a couple minutes ago Aug 04 19:07:12 tablet-encode is just a mencoder front-end, it can be configured to do whatever. Aug 04 19:07:23 GAN800: sure, so is tiny-avi Aug 04 19:07:31 Slightly different default settings aren't an advantage. Aug 04 19:07:48 Macor: thanks in advantage, i don't have to rerun install myself then :P Aug 04 19:07:54 Why the need for two basically identical projects? Aug 04 19:08:20 GAN800: they aren't identical Aug 04 19:08:29 basically Aug 04 19:08:30 Stskeeps - http://rafb.net/p/lptJfT61.html Aug 04 19:08:37 so do i just re-run? Aug 04 19:08:45 that would suck :) Aug 04 19:08:48 GAN800, why the need for 20000000000 basically the same media players? Aug 04 19:08:52 Two mencoder front-ends, why not patch tablet-encode instead? Aug 04 19:08:56 you wouldn't happen to know why it messed up would you? Aug 04 19:09:04 lcuk, they aren't the same Aug 04 19:09:14 GAN800: because I would have to rewrite it almost 100% Aug 04 19:09:16 select file, play music/video Aug 04 19:09:17 Significantly different interfaces. Aug 04 19:09:27 lcuk, oversimplified. Aug 04 19:09:29 i'll try to boot it and see what happens... if it doesn't boot i'll go ahead and re-run the installer and see how it goes Aug 04 19:09:36 that's really odd tho Aug 04 19:09:37 GUI = 66% of the code Aug 04 19:09:43 zap: I wish tinyAVI would use both cores for one file... Aug 04 19:10:00 zetheroo: actually it can, but I haven't enabled this Aug 04 19:10:01 Finger/stylus, feature-rich, lightweight. Aug 04 19:10:24 Macor: no, you're quite close so :P Aug 04 19:10:31 Macor: give me some minutes to track down a debian change Aug 04 19:10:52 zap: can I enable it? Aug 04 19:10:53 zetheroo: its more effective to encode two videos at once than one video in two threads Aug 04 19:10:58 ok Aug 04 19:11:26 Stskeeps - ok... well if you know a way i can fix it from there by hand before rebooting Aug 04 19:11:32 zetheroo: its easy to enable that, but it depends what you will do more often Aug 04 19:11:39 i mean it just died on me for the x keymapping :) Aug 04 19:12:30 Anyway, zap, changing for the sake of changing doesn't work for me. Aug 04 19:12:52 GAN800: you see, I wrote tinyavi about a year ago Aug 04 19:13:04 Macor: well the apt-get is last step before mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon /sbin/start-stop-daemon.FAKE; mv /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL /sbin/start-stop-daemon Aug 04 19:13:26 but the apt-get dpkg is failing for that last pkg Aug 04 19:13:57 nit-env-stskeeps won't install Aug 04 19:14:06 whats the error Aug 04 19:14:14 zetheroo: indeed, the last version is much slower than previous. Thats because I concentrated on highest quality :( Aug 04 19:14:30 i pasted it Aug 04 19:14:32 zetheroo: do you think it makes sense to drop quality in favour of encoding time, or make that selectable? Aug 04 19:14:38 http://rafb.net/p/lptJfT61.html Aug 04 19:14:46 on my user terminal, `su` report applet requires root privileges! how do i get around this?: Aug 04 19:15:03 Macor: yeah, cos it relies on a wide range of packages :) it's not a package with files, it's a metapackage, tells apt what to get Aug 04 19:15:32 well.. let me see which pkg it actually failed on Aug 04 19:15:49 zap: I need to get as many videos as I can on a 4 GB SD card .... thats what I am thinking of the most... Aug 04 19:16:10 zetheroo: in this case current settings are the best for you Aug 04 19:16:28 Reloading system message bus config...Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_s Aug 04 19:16:28 ocket: No such file or directory Aug 04 19:16:28 zetheroo, taking your pron collection on holiday? Aug 04 19:16:29 zetheroo: and I would suggest you to put all the videos at once in the queue Aug 04 19:16:47 Macor: yeah, that's the bug i'm looking at cos other people ran in it too Aug 04 19:16:58 hm.... Aug 04 19:17:19 would the chroot matter for networking settings? Aug 04 19:17:22 zetheroo: you can add new files and press "Convert all", that won't affect the running conversion Aug 04 19:17:38 Macor: hm? Aug 04 19:17:48 lcuk: for my 3 year old daughter on a 14 hour flight .. Aug 04 19:17:50 like the resolv.conf is set for the localhost Aug 04 19:17:57 zap: ok ...thanks Aug 04 19:17:58 yeah, that's fine Aug 04 19:18:02 that would be a firm no then Aug 04 19:18:04 with network manager you get resolvconf Aug 04 19:18:17 Macor: you can apt-get install nit-env-basic and get a basic working installation Aug 04 19:18:24 which you can boot into and ssh Aug 04 19:18:54 i'm trying it now Aug 04 19:19:16 lcuk: did you see something?¿ Aug 04 19:19:16 i'll look into what happens with HAL in the meantime, after a smoke :P Aug 04 19:19:22 nope... same problem Aug 04 19:19:44 ap31r0n, i didnt unfortunately Aug 04 19:19:52 Macor: same error? that's odd Aug 04 19:20:00 lcuk: ok, thxs anyway Aug 04 19:20:03 brb Aug 04 19:20:19 Can't start Hardware abstraction layer - please ensure dbus is running failed! Aug 04 19:20:40 is there a dbus pkg that needs to be installed? Aug 04 19:20:50 within the chroot? Aug 04 19:20:50 hal returned: "im sorry Macor, i can't do that" Aug 04 19:21:34 i can start over and try again and see what happens. maybe i missed a step Aug 04 19:22:14 but hal is where it screws up... it tries to install hal then gnome-mount... network-manager.. etc Aug 04 19:22:40 yeah, i agree Aug 04 19:23:21 lemme just boot up my debian Aug 04 19:24:07 it's either hal or dbus that's causing it Aug 04 19:24:16 congrads to me again, now on diablo Aug 04 19:26:17 :) Aug 04 19:28:58 it has to be dbus Aug 04 19:29:12 dbus won't create a socket file Aug 04 19:30:08 it shouldn't, either Aug 04 19:30:14 it shouldn't try to start or reload it while installing Aug 04 19:30:34 ok well. i'll start from scratch and be careful with what i choose Aug 04 19:30:43 and see what happens. maybe there is some minute step i missed Aug 04 19:31:55 what about repos now after I upgraded to diablo? Aug 04 19:32:38 Macor: you said it failed before this? Aug 04 19:32:49 as in, before the first apt-get error? Aug 04 19:32:52 it got up to the apt-get for hal and gave me those errors Aug 04 19:32:55 ok Aug 04 19:33:01 i didn't receive any other errors before that Aug 04 19:33:12 you don't have to reinstall, just give me a couple of seconds :) Aug 04 19:33:16 i'm going to try again from scratch and see what happens. i'll also pick a different mirror Aug 04 19:33:34 i already reboot it :)... i guess i can mount and chroot again if you know how to fix it Aug 04 19:33:36 ah, okay Aug 04 19:33:43 yeah, i have a good idea Aug 04 19:33:48 ok.. sec Aug 04 19:34:49 ah crap Aug 04 19:35:00 later folks. Aug 04 19:36:11 gr Aug 04 19:36:19 i don't have a damn ext2/3 module loaded Aug 04 19:36:28 wtf... that should be something that starts by default :) Aug 04 19:36:35 tell the maemo people that :P Aug 04 19:37:26 where the hell does maemo keep its modules? Aug 04 19:37:37 /mnt/initfs/lib/modules is a good place to start Aug 04 19:37:46 you need to load mbcache and ext2 Aug 04 19:38:26 insmod: cannot insert 'ext3.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory Aug 04 19:38:33 that's gay :) i'll just mount it as ext2 Aug 04 19:39:03 wtf Aug 04 19:39:29 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on nit-debian/ failed Aug 04 19:40:10 you need jbd.ko or something for ext3 Aug 04 19:41:54 awesome Aug 04 19:41:58 remind me to autoload those Aug 04 19:42:08 wtf :) it's linux.. they should autoload by default Aug 04 19:42:38 ok.. i'm chrooted now.. any idea how to fix? Aug 04 19:43:33 well.. that was different Aug 04 19:45:04 http://rafb.net/p/77OH2l63.html Aug 04 19:45:04 i have unset local settings Aug 04 19:45:04 locale Aug 04 19:45:12 is there no point in configuring diablo repos/extras? Aug 04 19:46:01 ok.. i really must have missed something during the install Stskeeps ... i'm going to just start from scratch and see what happens Aug 04 19:46:06 Macor: no, wait :P Aug 04 19:46:09 got the solution now Aug 04 19:46:12 oh Aug 04 19:46:27 svn up in installer directory Aug 04 19:46:41 run ./postdebootstrap /mnt/nit-debian (if you have it mounted there) Aug 04 19:46:56 outside chroot? Aug 04 19:47:00 yes Aug 04 19:47:47 Connecting to trac.tspre.org|84.238.10.195|:80... Aug 04 19:48:27 should darn well be up :P Aug 04 19:48:43 that looks kinda ugly :) Aug 04 19:49:24 http://rafb.net/p/M9JOCX69.html Aug 04 19:49:46 what's with all that other stuff.. likt it's trying to chroot to /mnt/nit-debian on its own Aug 04 19:50:21 ofcourse it does Aug 04 19:50:37 and it succeeds, too Aug 04 19:50:45 it needs to chroot in like everyone else to install packages Aug 04 19:50:56 i see Aug 04 19:51:11 it just looks... :) brutish Aug 04 19:51:20 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/nit-debian/wiki/InstallationProcess Aug 04 19:51:24 ok.. well.. this looks like it's going to take a minute Aug 04 19:51:40 yeah, coffee is okay, but not going for a movie Aug 04 19:51:40 :P Aug 04 19:51:58 that's what i was going off of Aug 04 19:52:12 Macor: installers are brutish .. and since it's alpha software right now, it has to be verbose and show what's going on :) Aug 04 19:52:36 same error ;) Aug 04 19:53:26 eh Aug 04 19:53:33 what are the chinook repositories info? maemo.org seems to be outdated, listing only os 2007 repos Aug 04 19:53:41 http://rafb.net/p/MEqEE525.html Aug 04 19:54:17 seems to go ok until it gets to nit-env-stskeeps then gives me locale errors and then just stops installing :) Aug 04 19:54:49 yeah, .. it's a debian error it seems like Aug 04 19:54:54 i'm trying to see if i can do anything better Aug 04 19:55:06 this installer has worked for others before? Aug 04 19:55:27 liri: http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/source/chinook.sources.list Aug 04 19:55:57 Macor: yeah - including myself Aug 04 19:56:08 it it has worked for other people then i think it would be best for me to just start from scratch and try again just to make sure i don't miss steps Aug 04 19:56:21 i probably rolled onto the keyboard while it was installing and i was asleep or something Aug 04 19:56:23 Macor: nah, it won't help :P Aug 04 19:56:35 cos other people ran into the same problem Aug 04 19:56:40 just noone posted error logs :) Aug 04 19:56:55 well.. right now it is a final option .. it could very well be a problem with the mirror i'm using.. maybe they have a screwed up deb Aug 04 19:57:23 there could be quite a few variables why it isn't working.. maybe i have the chinese knockoff n800 that is missing a cpu instruction Aug 04 19:57:40 but i'll try that first and if it doesn't work then i'll keep pasting the error msgs i get to help you dev it Aug 04 19:58:47 well, give me 3-4 minutes to write something and commit it, that would definately help :P Aug 04 20:00:40 sure Aug 04 20:00:45 sorry. was grabbing some food Aug 04 20:00:48 just tell me when you're ready Aug 04 20:01:40 timely: I upgraded to diablo. I'm guessing only chinook repos is available now? Aug 04 20:01:48 ? Aug 04 20:02:40 Macor: svn up; LC_ALL=C ./postdebootstrap /mnt/nit-debian Aug 04 20:02:40 s{"maemo-logo.png"}{"/maemo-logo.png"}g' Aug 04 20:02:42 eep Aug 04 20:02:45 http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/diablo.sources.list Aug 04 20:02:57 Macor: er, do sh refresh-base /mnt/nit-debian first Aug 04 20:02:57 k Aug 04 20:03:05 just so we have a clean slate Aug 04 20:03:14 liri: depending on what you're actually doing Aug 04 20:03:20 there are definitely diablo repos Aug 04 20:03:23 Macor: ignore the last part :P Aug 04 20:03:28 although the ones there ^^ are for developers not devices Aug 04 20:03:28 (the refresh-base stuff) Aug 04 20:03:55 Cptnodegard: cannot stat '../nit-base-packages': No such file or directory Aug 04 20:03:55 find: /mnt/nit-debian/nit-base-packages: No such file or directory Aug 04 20:04:24 are you guys trying to debootstrap? Aug 04 20:04:36 Macor: yeah, just realized you prolly didnt check out base packages from svn.. lemme guess, /mnt/nit-debian/nit-base-packages is empty? Aug 04 20:04:37 Macer: why you adressing me? Aug 04 20:04:59 cpt - accident.. was supposed to be cp: Aug 04 20:05:00 timely: debugging post-debootstrap debian installer Aug 04 20:05:05 timely: I read that diablo sources have only a small set of applications available Aug 04 20:05:12 ah Aug 04 20:05:15 liri: correct Aug 04 20:05:32 sources cover the open source portion of the platform Aug 04 20:05:47 Macor: so is /mnt/nit-debian/nit-base-packages empty? Aug 04 20:05:52 (and my cross reference sadly is missing a couple of amusing pieces because it's missing a connecting node) Aug 04 20:06:04 timely: right, so where does that leave me? should I have both diablo and chinook repos? or only reone of them? Aug 04 20:06:18 chinook shouldn't be any different if you're using source repos Aug 04 20:06:22 is the wimax edition out yet?! Aug 04 20:06:23 the dir isn't even there Stskeeps Aug 04 20:06:31 ryoohki: ask sprint? Aug 04 20:06:57 timely: um, thanks, i think? :-) Aug 04 20:07:22 Macor: alright.. cd /mnt/nit-debian; svn export http://trac.tspre.org/svn/nit-debian/trunk/nit-base-packages Aug 04 20:07:26 http://rafb.net/p/UmsG5c44.html Aug 04 20:07:29 Macor: and then do the postdebootstrap thing Aug 04 20:07:32 Hi. I am going to reflash but, is it so important to have the battery full? Aug 04 20:07:51 timely: no idea what are source repos or how to enable them. I got the N810 like yesterday and I reflashed to diablo. it now has no repositories configured Aug 04 20:08:03 Macor: okay, my bad again :) i had 3 hours of sleep last night and it's starting to hit me Aug 04 20:08:27 heh Aug 04 20:08:44 it's grabbing the base packages now Aug 04 20:09:07 Exported revision 33. Aug 04 20:09:11 oki, after that svn up in installer directory and do LC_ALL=C ./postdebootstrap /mnt/nit-debian Aug 04 20:09:40 err Aug 04 20:09:52 if you open application manager, does it really show 0 repositories? Aug 04 20:10:06 because um... that's not supposed to happen Aug 04 20:10:24 http://rafb.net/p/PupRxu56.html Aug 04 20:10:35 didn't work Stskeeps Aug 04 20:11:24 Macor: wrong ver of python? Aug 04 20:11:44 who wrote debian_installer.py? Aug 04 20:11:45 timely: nah, bad coder (me) Aug 04 20:12:18 things take time ;) Aug 04 20:12:18 Macor: svn up in installer directory, it should give you revision 35, and the postdebootstrap line agai Aug 04 20:12:49 Stskeeps: i'd argue your filename should be sts_debian_installer.py until it's fairly finalized Aug 04 20:12:59 imo you're violating their branding namespace Aug 04 20:13:22 Updated to revision 35. Aug 04 20:13:53 same command? ... Aug 04 20:13:55 LC_ALL=C ./postdebootstrap /mnt/nit-debian/ Aug 04 20:13:57 yes Aug 04 20:14:26 ok... it's downloading linux-odules now Aug 04 20:14:32 er.. modules too ;) Aug 04 20:15:03 timely: and so does the debian chroot project if we're getting technical. i'm considering just renaming the whole thing to get around this discussion. i do believe source files should have names after their function and not their author Aug 04 20:15:51 and in this case, it's a debian installer, debootstrapping and loading packages on top to make users that want to run debian on their tablets able to properly Aug 04 20:15:59 +be Aug 04 20:16:18 Stskeeps: my background is that of one of the people who forced proper naming for proejcts Aug 04 20:16:22 a while huh? :) Aug 04 20:16:31 er... this is going to take a while was what i was trying to say Aug 04 20:16:32 it's up to debian to give themselves a good or a bad name Aug 04 20:16:42 treading on their name is a violation of their existence Aug 04 20:16:54 the same applies to maemo (see Maemo (?) guidelines) Aug 04 20:17:00 that's a little harsh don't you think :) Aug 04 20:17:04 and Linux and just about any other project Aug 04 20:17:14 Macor: it's important... Aug 04 20:17:26 i came in and thought "oh boy, debian's installer is buggy" Aug 04 20:17:40 that's unfair to debian. and it's not my fault. his product was misleading Aug 04 20:18:18 Stskeeps .... Aug 04 20:18:22 Macor: same error? Aug 04 20:18:40 http://rafb.net/p/WcU2Bx38.html Aug 04 20:18:42 no Aug 04 20:18:45 asking for root pw now ;) Aug 04 20:18:57 you have to set noe Aug 04 20:19:17 Chroot command failed: ['chroot', '/mnt/nit-debian/', 'passwd', 'root'] Aug 04 20:19:25 Macor: .. Aug 04 20:19:33 heh Aug 04 20:19:39 my bad on that one... Aug 04 20:19:46 damn wireless keyboard Aug 04 20:20:16 timely: i don't care for project politics. i've had my fair share of fights with debian-legal. i'm in this to make a good product that people can use to have a debian experience that isn't bugy on the tablets and pave the way for a free alternative incase nokia decides to stop supporting the tablets. Aug 04 20:20:25 and for people to have the most use of their tablets. Aug 04 20:21:00 Stskeeps: i'd be shocked to hear debian would let you keep the name Aug 04 20:21:01 Macor: hang on a second while i look at the source Aug 04 20:21:04 see... that's good old "don't give into the institution" type shit :) Aug 04 20:21:10 i remember debian going after other projects over that Aug 04 20:21:15 Stskeeps - no.. i think that was my fault Aug 04 20:21:46 just give me a minute... i don't know why i did it but i reran the command by accident.... it takes like 5 mins.. i think my wireless keyboard just screwed up Aug 04 20:21:56 timely: read what i said at the first line. i'm going to change the name, most definately. also, there has been no release of this stuff as such, just people discovering what we're doing and loving it. Aug 04 20:21:59 timely - then they are being far too restrictive :) Aug 04 20:22:02 and finding our svn Aug 04 20:22:38 Macor: in short, the law isn't flexible on it Aug 04 20:22:45 if you don't defend your marks, you lose them Aug 04 20:22:53 marks in opensource? :) Aug 04 20:22:53 * Jaffa mutters darkly at #3542 Aug 04 20:23:08 that's microsoft talk there young man Aug 04 20:23:24 Macor: nope Aug 04 20:24:30 it would be one thing if he were just doing it to be an immature child making bad code in order to hurt the name.. but he is actually trying to make a useful project and if anything the debian developers should be proud of it Aug 04 20:24:41 doesn't matter Aug 04 20:25:20 Jaffa: You are still using Modest? Aug 04 20:26:21 RST38h: I'm attempting to make the software which comes with the device work. I'm all for a specific mobile device email client; but basically want something with GMail's conversations, good GMail IMAP integration and a cached mode when the network connection is unavailable or patchy (without me having to select 'Offline') Aug 04 20:27:16 Jaffa: You are being a masochist. Aug 04 20:27:29 Is there something which meets those requirements? Aug 04 20:27:42 Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease :) Aug 04 20:27:44 Jaffa: BTW, it looks like they are not going to fix the 100% CPU usage bug saying that "it will all be fixed when we fix futexes in the kernel" Aug 04 20:28:23 RST38h: he wants software that "just works" Aug 04 20:28:30 it's too much to ask, but he's still learning :) Aug 04 20:28:35 tsk :) Aug 04 20:28:51 * Jaffa 's in a "I hate computers"; "I hate writing software" and "I hate using software" mode at the moment. Aug 04 20:28:52 timely: I also want software that just works. But once I figure out some software does not work, I stop using it Aug 04 20:29:09 ah, so you're vindictive Aug 04 20:29:15 Jaffa: the great outdoors welcomes you Aug 04 20:29:18 RST38h: figured I need to start making my morning commute more useful than sleeping for another 45 minutes. Aug 04 20:29:21 he's just an over eager optimist Aug 04 20:29:21 ;) Aug 04 20:29:25 Jaffa: I would probably try Claws, if I were you Aug 04 20:29:35 Jaffa: Or PINE compiled for Maemo Aug 04 20:29:37 * Jaffa says this whilst writing a berating email to a developer who should know better Aug 04 20:29:57 Jaffa: Complaining to Modest developers is useless. They are above your puny complaints. Aug 04 20:29:59 RST38h: I've yet to see a usable Claws UI on the tablet; but am willing to accept it may be possible to configure it. Aug 04 20:30:35 just install google mail for firefox w/ gears :) Aug 04 20:30:36 Jaffa: They are the mighty wizards who conquer IMAP API specs on daily basis and write diatribes about templates and other C++ features to the Planet Aug 04 20:30:55 Jaffa: What are *your concerns* in comparison with this? Aug 04 20:31:30 Jaffa: I mean, between you and STL, who is more important to the Programmer? Aug 04 20:31:44 timely: GMail's offline mode with gears isn't here yet is it? Rumoured to be a few weeks away AIUI Aug 04 20:31:45 [hint: "Jaffa" is a bad guess.] Aug 04 20:31:48 RST38h: :) Aug 04 20:31:48 linux tm Aug 04 20:31:55 http://www.linux.com/forums/topic/248 Aug 04 20:32:01 Linux.com :: Linux(TM) ....is it different from conventional Linux? Aug 04 20:32:12 timely: btw, you don't want to get me on to the performance of the JS version of GMail with microb in my current mood ;-) Aug 04 20:32:13 http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=tm&rno=1916230 Aug 04 20:32:27 Jaffa: ui=1 or ui=2 ? Aug 04 20:32:46 timely: erm, let me check Aug 04 20:33:06 I tend to use the static HTML for quick reading, but it's not exactly usable for replying well-formedly Aug 04 20:35:23 timely: ui=1 Aug 04 20:36:33 timely: issues partly related to size of GUI elements - probably more than anything else. Aug 04 20:37:02 Right. "Commit things better you numpty" email sent. Time for a cuppa and a cuddle with Mrs Jaffa & bump. Aug 04 20:38:16 numpty? Aug 04 20:38:23 err, hang on Aug 04 20:38:27 Jaffa: anyway, i think mxr.maemo.org is properly branded Aug 04 20:38:34 if people have complaints, they can give a yell Aug 04 20:38:47 when will maemo.org get the refresh, and is a new motto included? Aug 04 20:38:48 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/numpty#Noun Aug 04 20:39:14 timely: cool :-D Not heard anything about a motto or tagline; I hope/expect not. Aug 04 20:39:23 no tagline Aug 04 20:39:27 according to peter Aug 04 20:39:34 lbt: what do you mean no tagline? Aug 04 20:39:44 should i actually delete the tagline from my alt text? Aug 04 20:39:54 timely: I would. Aug 04 20:40:00 I think the current "code in your hands" Aug 04 20:40:04 is going Aug 04 20:40:10 to /dev/null ? Aug 04 20:40:18 yup Aug 04 20:40:31 but that's just my understanding Aug 04 20:40:51 lbt: so the alt text should be "maemo.org" ? Aug 04 20:40:57 please load mxr.maemo.org and confirm... Aug 04 20:41:07 I gues.... anyhow - where do gconf settings get stored Aug 04 20:41:17 /var/lib/gconf ? Aug 04 20:41:22 needs more yelloe Aug 04 20:41:24 w Aug 04 20:41:34 ? Aug 04 20:41:46 mxr.maemo.org Aug 04 20:41:51 not yellow enough Aug 04 20:42:00 in my considered opinion Aug 04 20:42:11 did i pick the wrong logo? Aug 04 20:42:20 the logo is right Aug 04 20:42:28 but the page is too grey Aug 04 20:42:37 timely: btw, any way to disable browserd? current or potential? Aug 04 20:42:47 and "About Cross-References" is the wrong font Aug 04 20:42:50 it clashes Aug 04 20:43:15 RST38h: not really Aug 04 20:43:16 you need a sans-serif font Aug 04 20:43:25 lbt: write some css, i'll use it Aug 04 20:43:45 I only do manly code. Aug 04 20:43:48 css is for girls Aug 04 20:44:55 timely: are there at least plans to get rid of it? Aug 04 20:44:58 thanks - found my gconf stuff Aug 04 20:47:15 timely: it doesn't show 0 but it says the repos are unavailable Aug 04 20:48:00 liri: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ Aug 04 20:48:16 RST38h: absolutely not Aug 04 20:48:31 i'm hoping to see mozilla moving to using a similar system too Aug 04 20:48:45 (not necessarily a true daemon, but at least a second process) Aug 04 20:49:10 timely: it sucks. Aug 04 20:49:30 timely: takes memory. periodically goes into a 100% CPU loop. Aug 04 20:49:53 RST38h: you're making a very stupid assumption Aug 04 20:49:58 tmiely: Once it does that, it can only be killed using 3rd party apps because it has no close icon Aug 04 20:50:07 namely that the browser wouldn't behave exactly the same way Aug 04 20:50:16 timely: Taking memory and 100% CPU loop are not assumptions Aug 04 20:50:31 timely: I can quit browser. I can't quit browserd Aug 04 20:50:33 assuming that a non browserd browser wouldn't use 100% of the cpu is Aug 04 20:50:47 timely: Sure, it would Aug 04 20:50:57 timely: But it can be quit and browserd can't Aug 04 20:51:03 not true actually Aug 04 20:51:12 What not true? Aug 04 20:51:14 it's possible to have ui apps that aren't killable Aug 04 20:51:28 all you need is for them to be stuck in a system call Aug 04 20:51:28 Yes, but not in the case of MicroB Aug 04 20:51:34 no Aug 04 20:53:25 In the case described above, it is not being stuck in a system call. Wouldn't take 100% CPU Aug 04 20:53:48 i'm not actually sure about that Aug 04 20:53:56 it depends on how poorly implemented the system is Aug 04 20:54:03 timely: Well, if you think about it you will see why it can't Aug 04 20:54:03 fwiw in testing w/ microb pre browserd Aug 04 20:54:10 it was possible for the [x] to be absolutely useless Aug 04 20:54:18 i.e. you *couldn't* kill it from the ui Aug 04 20:54:24 even though it was using 100% of the cpu Aug 04 20:54:36 because it was *answering* "are you alive" (but not answering "please close") Aug 04 20:54:53 Well, you just had to wait for window manager to say "this app does not respond. kill?" Aug 04 20:55:01 nope Aug 04 20:55:02 didn't work Aug 04 20:55:07 weird Aug 04 20:55:10 the app responded to "i'm alive" Aug 04 20:55:25 it just was too busy to handle "please close" Aug 04 20:55:29 To a termination message? Aug 04 20:56:06 it acknowledged termination message but did not close? Well, that had to be fixed inside MicroB Aug 04 20:56:22 Browserd has nothing to do with it Aug 04 20:56:38 well, given there was no browserd... Aug 04 20:56:42 this was pre browserd Aug 04 20:56:51 but no, i can't remember where the fault was Aug 04 20:56:56 timely: well, now it hangs in browserd and we do not even have the [x] Aug 04 20:56:57 it could have been in the gecko side.... Aug 04 20:57:06 so get a stack trace Aug 04 20:57:14 does anyone know about qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264 Aug 04 20:57:14 timely: Can I suggest something, given that browserd can't get keworked? Aug 04 20:57:41 you can suggest whatever you like, the likelihood of it being ignored depends on what it is Aug 04 20:57:49 lbt: buy a newer qemu :) Aug 04 20:57:55 lbt: Open file dialog? Aug 04 20:58:02 timely: Ok Aug 04 20:58:24 RST38h: probably Aug 04 20:58:29 timely: Right now, there is always a copy of browserd lingering in memory and taking ~12MB RAM (5-6MB actually) Aug 04 20:58:40 lbt: Debug on real device, do not use emulation Aug 04 20:58:41 lbt: the qemu with sbox does not support all arm11 instructions. Aug 04 20:58:59 Aug 04 20:59:00 or arm v6 Aug 04 20:59:04 timely: I suggest killing this copy if nobody uses it for, let us say, 15 minutes Aug 04 20:59:04 depending on how you number your arms Aug 04 20:59:17 OK - I always compiled and debugged i386 version Aug 04 20:59:25 I see a few differences though Aug 04 20:59:36 RST38h: that mostly defeats the goal Aug 04 20:59:43 timely: Not really, look Aug 04 20:59:44 s/I see/I _think_ I see/ Aug 04 20:59:44 lbt meant: I _think_ I see a few differences though Aug 04 21:00:06 RST38h: the goal is that you should always be able to *quickly* open the browser from *anywhere* Aug 04 21:00:11 timely: Whoever uses the browser often will always open it with browserd still running Aug 04 21:00:26 timely: it is only the first time that takes a bit more time Aug 04 21:00:32 no Aug 04 21:00:45 timely: Also, I have to disappoint you because browserd does not appear to significantly reduce browser startup time Aug 04 21:01:11 timely: So whatever that goal was, it does not seem to be fulfilled Aug 04 21:01:14 hrm... if it isn't, then i'm fairly certain something's wrong... Aug 04 21:01:24 how many browserds are running after you open browser? Aug 04 21:01:28 timely: 2 Aug 04 21:01:28 1 or 2? Aug 04 21:01:32 ok Aug 04 21:01:35 right... Aug 04 21:01:35 timely: a 2MB and 12MB Aug 04 21:01:41 wouldn't it be easier to hack the filemanager to make it appear to be closed down? and just super-minimise it? Aug 04 21:01:51 and after it's closed for 15min, which is open, the 2mb or the 12mb? Aug 04 21:01:54 lbt: Qemu is broken. Do not use it. Aug 04 21:01:56 windowmanager Aug 04 21:01:57 timely: both Aug 04 21:02:11 * timely puzzles Aug 04 21:02:22 As I said, that 12MB copy is always lingering Aug 04 21:02:27 RST38h: I was barging into your conversation Aug 04 21:02:31 i don't mind it lingering Aug 04 21:02:39 i don't like it not improving start speed Aug 04 21:02:46 mind you, i'm not sure how you could possibly measure it Aug 04 21:02:59 will a timer do? Aug 04 21:03:07 what's your reference? Aug 04 21:03:18 timely: chinook vs diablo Aug 04 21:03:20 you can't compare it to chinook Aug 04 21:03:23 they're not the same gecko Aug 04 21:03:30 Hi there Aug 04 21:03:32 don't go around comparing apples and oranges Aug 04 21:03:36 but I can start it with the 12MB copy running and not running Aug 04 21:03:44 and measure both ways Aug 04 21:03:56 hello GNUton. Aug 04 21:04:06 hey jott! :) how are you? Aug 04 21:04:12 * timely shrugs Aug 04 21:04:17 i just got back from a business trip Aug 04 21:04:23 i don't really have energy to debate this Aug 04 21:04:23 fine. just played around a bit with qedje :) Aug 04 21:04:30 i haven't even taken my luggage upstairs Aug 04 21:04:37 timely: not debating, just going to measure and tell the numbers Aug 04 21:04:39 nor have i gone to work, which i intended to do hours ago Aug 04 21:04:55 jott: I read about it.. Aug 04 21:05:13 jott: I had a look at its code this afternoon.. Aug 04 21:05:31 18.48s when loading www.rbc.ru with browserd running Aug 04 21:05:37 jott: but I don´t tryied yet Aug 04 21:05:50 jott: what do you think? Aug 04 21:06:30 21.25s when loading www.rbc.ru with browserd killed Aug 04 21:06:41 GNUton: looks quite promising, as it offers qt based signal/slot communications and allows easy creation of "bling" interfaces. Aug 04 21:07:36 are there example to try it? Aug 04 21:07:56 GNUton: some basic canola style animation stuff. Aug 04 21:08:20 with a qDebug when something is clicked ;) Aug 04 21:08:55 RST38h, that site starts off REALLY well in chinook, but then as the flash elements start it slows right down and almost never finishes the page Aug 04 21:09:09 lcuk: 'cause you have to use adblock ;) Aug 04 21:09:28 * RST38h does not event see those flash elements ;) Aug 04 21:09:29 oh brother Aug 04 21:09:36 how about about: or about:blank or something? Aug 04 21:09:42 picking a heavy site isn't reasonable Aug 04 21:09:48 it's not Aug 04 21:09:48 does adblock on this device remove before addition of flash, or after the flash has been placed into the dom and initialized? Aug 04 21:09:50 jott: ok Aug 04 21:10:00 btw, I am actually using pda.rbc.ru - it is flash free Aug 04 21:10:01 you're skewing percentages to include something unrelated Aug 04 21:10:19 timely: I have used pda.rbc.ru - no ads, no flash, 18/21s Aug 04 21:10:29 less than 2 seconds refresh time? Aug 04 21:10:31 try about: instead? Aug 04 21:10:32 http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png <- also somewhat useable. merkaartor openstreetmap editor ;) Aug 04 21:10:56 Safari can¹t open the page ³http://pda.rbc.ru/² because it can¹t find the server ³pda.rbc.ru%e2%80%ad². Aug 04 21:11:01 pda.rbc.ru is a great page Aug 04 21:11:02 timely: But, you see, I am not using about: in my daily life. There is nothing to see Aug 04 21:11:06 timely: A moment Aug 04 21:11:22 finds pda.rbc.ru just fine Aug 04 21:12:02 pda.rbc.ru canonical name = adaron.rbc.ru. Aug 04 21:12:02 Name: adaron.rbc.ru Aug 04 21:12:02 Address: 80.68.240.193 Aug 04 21:12:47 ok, I will try with google instead Aug 04 21:13:12 * timely kicks firebug Aug 04 21:13:17 it beachballed my browser Aug 04 21:13:56 make sure you aren't getting google/ig or a logged in variant... Aug 04 21:14:14 really, what's wrong w/ "about:"? Aug 04 21:14:26 timely: there is nothing to see there, it is not a typical usage case Aug 04 21:15:18 17.12s on plain google with browserd on Aug 04 21:15:40 the question is proportionally for a local load how much does it improve things Aug 04 21:15:57 people should *not* be using remote pages as their start pages if they want to complain about speed Aug 04 21:16:08 20.14 with browserd killes Aug 04 21:16:27 timely, you are being unreasonable Aug 04 21:16:33 nope Aug 04 21:16:41 people use for their start pages what they are used to use for their start pages Aug 04 21:16:48 if i want a fast load experience, i will save a local copy of the page i want Aug 04 21:17:09 oddly, microb theoretically supports saving complete pages Aug 04 21:17:12 ok, should I measure to the time when it says loading" then? Aug 04 21:17:14 (no idea if it ever works) Aug 04 21:17:22 so load time will not be included? Aug 04 21:17:41 probably Aug 04 21:17:54 measuring Aug 04 21:19:25 fwiw, YSlow gives http://pda.rbc.ru/ a C- Aug 04 21:19:38 hi folks Aug 04 21:19:42 how's it going today? Aug 04 21:19:57 which is pretty bad Aug 04 21:20:18 RST: can I bug you with a repository setup a bit? Aug 04 21:20:23 18.60s without browserd Aug 04 21:20:26 liri? Aug 04 21:20:39 has anybody had luck setting up bluetooth pan networking with a windows mobile phone on diablo? (n810) Aug 04 21:21:25 15.08s with browserd Aug 04 21:21:37 sorry, timely, still no doughnut =( Aug 04 21:21:55 RST38h: on my new N810, I put diablo on it a couple of hours ago, booted it, went into application manager -> looked at the catalogs but they were all "failed to refresh" Aug 04 21:22:04 And this time was measured until I see the "connecting" message Aug 04 21:22:16 liri: no internet connection? Aug 04 21:22:28 RST38h: I have Internet, I think maybe the repos are out-dated Aug 04 21:22:41 liri: don't think so Aug 04 21:23:04 liri: any strange packages installed? Aug 04 21:23:09 liri: try checking for updates from app manager Aug 04 21:23:15 also, if you copy the urls from the repo list, can you reach them directly? Aug 04 21:23:35 just a sec, let's try it one at a time, I'll enable the repos Aug 04 21:24:10 timely: Anyways, if you still do not believe me that browserd does not shave any significant time off browser loading, I can ask others at this channel to measure their times and file a bug Aug 04 21:24:52 timely: But my strong suspicion is that browserd is just a "misfeature" right now Aug 04 21:24:59 more or less like Modest. Aug 04 21:25:45 modest makes me want to scratch my eyes out - even my SE cellphone e-mail client is more responsive :P Aug 04 21:26:44 yeah, modest = ass. claws is far better Aug 04 21:27:44 ok it needed a disable/enablething... so back to the repos. I currently have: 1. nokia catalog (http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/) and 2. nokia 3rd party software (http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certfied) Aug 04 21:28:11 liri: You probably want to add chinook extras Aug 04 21:28:29 RST38h: filing that bug is a waste of time Aug 04 21:28:31 we're not changing it Aug 04 21:29:09 you're free to nag eero about finding out what's wasting time before browserd is poked Aug 04 21:29:18 12s seems a bit long w/o talking to a browser Aug 04 21:29:22 RST: yep I need to understand these repos a little bit. chinook is only extras or other things too? Aug 04 21:29:27 RST38h: how big is history? Aug 04 21:29:39 no idea, never checked Aug 04 21:29:49 liri: just extras Aug 04 21:29:51 it's a file somewhere near ~/ Aug 04 21:29:57 lemme clear it Aug 04 21:30:02 find it, move it out of the way, check its size.. :) Aug 04 21:30:20 timely: If you are not changing it, you are fixing it Aug 04 21:30:34 RST38h: ok, how do I add extra then? :) Aug 04 21:30:34 um... i'm not doing anything Aug 04 21:30:37 timely: If you are not fixing it and you are not changing it, then you will get publicly booed =) Aug 04 21:30:43 oh brother Aug 04 21:30:52 I have a disabled maemo extras listed there Aug 04 21:30:54 liri: Add Repository Aug 04 21:31:00 liri: Enable it back Aug 04 21:31:13 how would it know if it's chinook or anything else? Aug 04 21:31:14 liri: And add a copy of it, but saying "chinook" in the distribtion field Aug 04 21:31:23 clear dist field = diablo Aug 04 21:31:34 the settings are http://repository.maemo.org/extras, free, non-free Aug 04 21:31:44 it is diablo Aug 04 21:31:50 ahh right Aug 04 21:32:06 I remember reading about it, if distribution field is empty then it takes the default as the image version Aug 04 21:32:23 ok so to enable it but add chinook in the Distribution field? Aug 04 21:33:19 timely: .browser_typed_urls? Aug 04 21:33:23 39 entries Aug 04 21:33:27 liri: No Aug 04 21:33:38 liri: 1. Enable this repository. DO NOT CHANGE IT Aug 04 21:33:52 RST38h: ahh, so to leave it as diablo. ok Aug 04 21:33:57 liri: 2. Add new repository. Copy fields from repository #1 to repository #2 Aug 04 21:34:07 yes Aug 04 21:34:13 liri: 3. In repository #2, type chinook in the distributon field Aug 04 21:34:18 timely: Is 39 entries a lot? Aug 04 21:34:27 * timely shrugs Aug 04 21:34:31 how long are they? Aug 04 21:34:41 i have one entry which iirc is thousands of chars long :) Aug 04 21:34:51 (This causes serious problems for the urlbar) Aug 04 21:34:53 whole file is 1968 bytes Aug 04 21:35:04 not long Aug 04 21:35:23 also, are you only using standard bookmarks, or have you made your own? Aug 04 21:35:28 * timely wonders if we eagerly load bookmarks Aug 04 21:35:35 (which would be both likely and stupid) Aug 04 21:35:50 RST38h: ok done. now both extras are enabled. fetch for updates now? Aug 04 21:36:19 the URL bar is not a file transfer protocal Aug 04 21:36:37 Proteous: it isn't? Aug 04 21:36:40 that's how i used it :) Aug 04 21:36:43 timely: Of course I have made my own Aug 04 21:36:59 timely: Is it bad? =) Aug 04 21:37:09 RST38h: for perspective, i visited a computer on friday which had enough bookmarks in ie Aug 04 21:37:18 211 bytes in .bookmark Aug 04 21:37:25 that when ff3.0.1 ran its first launch import favorites, it hung for a really really long time Aug 04 21:37:53 7367 bytes in MyBookmarks.xml Aug 04 21:37:54 if you less .bookmark, do you find that isn't the xml file you seek? Aug 04 21:38:07 yeah, the My one sounds more promising :) Aug 04 21:38:29 it is a bunch of XML crap Aug 04 21:38:38 lemme see, you are using libxml to parse it? =) Aug 04 21:38:38 \ Aug 04 21:38:44 on startup? Aug 04 21:38:57 RST38h: wouldn't the diablo repo conflic with the chinook one? Aug 04 21:39:02 *conflict Aug 04 21:39:03 use strace and figure out if we are reading it Aug 04 21:39:12 i'd place better than even money on us reading it at startup Aug 04 21:39:32 26 bookmarks Aug 04 21:39:35 liri: no Aug 04 21:39:56 timely: this will be about 2 bookmarks per second =) Aug 04 21:40:39 ok :) thanks Aug 04 21:40:47 * RST38h goes to clean his teeth, read Catch22, and hit the bed Aug 04 21:40:59 RST38h: for kicks, try having 1000 bookmarks (a reasonable approximation of the user i encountered) Aug 04 21:41:11 i'm not sure... but anyway... there are probably some really stupid things we're doing on startup Aug 04 21:41:19 and they're probably in the ui side Aug 04 21:41:20 timely: it is probably not the right time but when you get to work, do consider the possibility that browserd is screwed. Aug 04 21:41:26 I mean, in general. Aug 04 21:41:33 nah Aug 04 21:41:38 i have dozens of other things to consider Aug 04 21:41:42 timely: I do not visit that many sites =) Aug 04 21:41:45 like the fact that the ui itself is screwed Aug 04 21:42:22 timely: Well, if you add something to the system and it takes memory and does things and ends up being of no use, you probably should consider it first Aug 04 21:42:48 * timely shrugs Aug 04 21:43:07 timely: In the meanwhile, I will ask a few people here to measure microb loading times with and without browserd Aug 04 21:43:25 just to make sure I am not seeing ghosts Aug 04 21:43:34 * timely shrugs Aug 04 21:43:42 3s out of 10 is a very good win Aug 04 21:43:47 the goal was something like that Aug 04 21:43:49 no, timely Aug 04 21:43:53 not 3s out of 10s Aug 04 21:43:59 3s out of 18s Aug 04 21:44:03 if we're taking 20 instead of 10, then the problem is in the other 10 Aug 04 21:44:06 not in the savings near the 3 Aug 04 21:44:18 Browserd saves 3s out of 18s Aug 04 21:44:27 it is whopping 16.6% Aug 04 21:44:36 right, but you're chasing the wrong ghost Aug 04 21:44:41 and it is *not* noticeable Aug 04 21:44:42 why is it taking 20 instead of 10? Aug 04 21:45:05 and sadly, i don't think we have symbols for the ui, so you can't easily see where it's doing work Aug 04 21:45:06 no, no, that is not the original topic of conversation Aug 04 21:45:22 the original topic was that browserd takes memory while being of no use Aug 04 21:45:24 look. the design goal is to get the speed to very close to 5s Aug 04 21:45:35 I understand Aug 04 21:45:44 and a 3s penalty to start the browser makes it very hard to achieve 5s Aug 04 21:45:45 but it does not look like browserd is the way to do it Aug 04 21:45:51 err. Aug 04 21:46:05 If you ask me, realistically I would suggest trying to switch from xml bookmarks to plain text Aug 04 21:46:09 if those 3s can't possibly be saved by not using a browserd, then they're definitely the way to go Aug 04 21:46:16 * timely would just lazy load bookmarks Aug 04 21:46:21 (and urlbar history) Aug 04 21:46:26 but you do not know if they can right now Aug 04 21:46:31 this too Aug 04 21:46:39 but in any case, dropping xml may help Aug 04 21:46:43 * timely shrugs Aug 04 21:46:57 the xml flavor was some stupid "brilliant" idea from some "group" that long predates me Aug 04 21:47:03 i'm hoping it'll die soon enough Aug 04 21:47:11 timely: this sounds very familiar Aug 04 21:47:21 but atm the possible replacement for it has serious issues w/ memory cards Aug 04 21:47:28 timely: but try keworking it in the name of performance (should not be hard to test) and see hoe many seconds Aug 04 21:47:32 and doesn't have the best lazy load behavior Aug 04 21:48:10 RST38h: sadly, bookmarks was given 0 allocation for the next release Aug 04 21:48:20 Is there a channel that might be able to help me with a battery question about my n800? Aug 04 21:48:25 but yeah, i'll see if maybe sometime we can try to donsomething on this Aug 04 21:48:57 timely: commenting out a line that loads them and inits xml and testing won;t take much time Aug 04 21:49:03 I think it's time to check the gps functionality Aug 04 21:49:08 * timely is still looking for advice on colors for mxr.maemo.org Aug 04 21:49:13 liri: install agps first Aug 04 21:49:15 oh hey, speaking of gps: Aug 04 21:49:24 so with diablo installed I guess it's better to install agps Aug 04 21:49:44 if you have been having trouble with maemo mapper not finding your gps, go to settings, and make sure that the gps device is 'bluetooth' with no address entered, not 'internal' Aug 04 21:49:50 timely: what is wrong with current white? Aug 04 21:49:54 timely: ok, getting it Aug 04 21:50:02 RST38h: someone complained about the other colors Aug 04 21:50:10 the gray/yellow not matching the black/blue/purple Aug 04 21:50:15 ie if you have been running maps first to start the gps, then maemo-mapper to actually use it, this is the problem. Aug 04 21:50:23 (I was pulling out my hair on it for a while) Aug 04 21:50:24 i'm not sure i disgaree Aug 04 21:50:27 oh those Aug 04 21:51:08 timely: ok, black->black, blue->dark brown, purple->lighter brown Aug 04 21:51:25 timely: and change menu frame style to something neater =) Aug 04 21:51:53 ? Aug 04 21:51:56 make a mock up Aug 04 21:54:18 RST38h: http://mxr.maemo.org/style/site.css Aug 04 21:54:22 load that, then go back Aug 04 21:55:13 * timely thinks that the current "blue" could be used for "red" and maybe the current "purple" for "blue" Aug 04 21:55:29 * timely hasn't done color mixing in years Aug 04 21:56:30 timely: not yellow, brown Aug 04 21:56:44 wait, lemme mix them Aug 04 21:57:13 #330000 for links Aug 04 21:57:16 reload Aug 04 21:57:38 #703A00 for visited links Aug 04 21:58:12 also need one for :active and one for :hover Aug 04 21:58:19 something like this, but I would make unvisited links darker than visited ones Aug 04 21:58:29 the above two values should (probably) work Aug 04 21:58:38 have you reloaded? Aug 04 21:58:41 yes Aug 04 21:58:59 i now have a brown, an orangish and a yellowish orange Aug 04 21:59:12 timely: I set the red target at my area though I don't see any ok/cancel buttons Aug 04 21:59:26 looks ok to me, although I would swap visited/unvisited link colors Aug 04 21:59:44 liri: eh? Aug 04 22:00:07 timely: A-GPS Beta poped up the world map screen Aug 04 22:00:16 oh, i've never used it Aug 04 22:00:33 timely: I know I'm supposed to choose my location there and so I did. what now? Aug 04 22:00:44 timely: oh... didn't you se install a-gps? :) Aug 04 22:00:48 *say Aug 04 22:01:20 just because i know you need to install X doesn't mean i know how X works :) Aug 04 22:01:30 ahh hehe Aug 04 22:01:46 timely: do you use the gps with a-gps then? Aug 04 22:01:52 btw, you need X on your n810... but i don't even under stand gtk :) Aug 04 22:02:25 nah, i use google maps (java) to ask my phone where i am :) Aug 04 22:02:42 and for gps, i use a nokia bt gps module :) Aug 04 22:03:17 RST38h: reload? Aug 04 22:03:32 ahh ok Aug 04 22:03:35 thanks anyway :) Aug 04 22:04:18 liri: i work on browsers and mxr... anything beyond that is hearsay :) Aug 04 22:05:17 hey folks, is there a way to re-run the phone setup wizard? Aug 04 22:05:59 go to control panel Aug 04 22:06:11 if you pair a new phone it'll automatically nag you Aug 04 22:06:23 but the menus in control panel should offer something like "operator setup wizard" Aug 04 22:06:31 (actual strings vary by locale) Aug 04 22:07:13 timely: found it, thank you Aug 04 22:07:50 gah. I think I screwed myself on PAN funtionality by doing the phone wizard before I installed the maemo-pan package Aug 04 22:09:01 well... lets see if audacious works in this nit-debian install Aug 04 22:09:57 timely: yep Aug 04 22:10:31 http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/acpi/dispatcher/dsmethod.c Aug 04 22:10:33 how's that? Aug 04 22:11:21 timely: menu frame style - try border: 2px dotted #000000; Aug 04 22:11:32 you can also try dashed Aug 04 22:11:49 looks like this: http://fms.komkon.org/ Aug 04 22:13:02 whats the name of the wget package? cause I don't find it Aug 04 22:13:28 liri: fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ and type the name there Aug 04 22:14:56 so many tricks to learn :) Aug 04 22:16:52 whoa, how long was I gone Aug 04 22:16:54 ?? Aug 04 22:17:16 camden: 2days!! Aug 04 22:17:33 I think I was abducted by aliens. I'm experiencing lost time Aug 04 22:17:34 :D Aug 04 22:17:46 RST38h: reload http://mxr.maemo.org/ Aug 04 22:17:50 I guess I wasn't experiencing it, which is the unnerving bit. Aug 04 22:18:17 wait, moved to the tablet... Aug 04 22:19:05 RST38h: on that site I clicked the wget.install file and downloaded, it added a chinook repos (seems to be extras-devel) but stil couldn't find the wget package Aug 04 22:19:27 it should load on the tablet :) Aug 04 22:19:54 timely: to my eye looks ok Aug 04 22:20:01 is there a way to set a route in maemo mapper without having to download anything? I downloaded a bunch of maps ahead of time but can't seem to find where to set a from/to destination without connecting to the internet Aug 04 22:20:23 may need a spacer under the logo and/or centering th logo Aug 04 22:20:56 night Aug 04 22:21:28 i think in one of my variants, i had the maemo logo to the right of the table Aug 04 22:21:44 menu items need to be made nowrap Aug 04 22:21:59 they wrap on the tablet Aug 04 22:22:11 so, I know I asked a second ago, but has anybody had success using the maemo-pan package to use bluetooth PAN with a windows mobile smartphone? Aug 04 22:22:27 RST38h: wrap how? Aug 04 22:22:48 timely: another varisnt is to keep the logo above main text and menu at the left Aug 04 22:23:10 RST38h: yeah Aug 04 22:23:14 that's what i meant Aug 04 22:23:43 timely: you have got version name znd revisions in parents. revisions wrap Aug 04 22:24:13 reload http://mxr.maemo.org/ Aug 04 22:24:34 coooool Aug 04 22:24:35 RST38h: revisions are supposed to have a smaller font Aug 04 22:24:39 timely: looks much better with the logo on the right Aug 04 22:24:50 are not Aug 04 22:25:05 RST38h: yeah, i know Aug 04 22:25:09 that got lost at some point Aug 04 22:25:16 or never made it to mxr.maemo.org, whichever Aug 04 22:25:18 and font won't prevent them from wrapping Aug 04 22:26:31 hmmm.. found a hack for my phone that should allow sharing over wifi instead of bluetooth Aug 04 22:26:50 you do have lots of vertical space at the left Aug 04 22:27:10 which is sweet because bluetooth drains my battery like a frathouse drains a keg. Aug 04 22:27:19 may use it to reformat menu instead of nowrap Aug 04 22:27:35 hmm.. so you can't set a route offline with maemo mapper? Interesting.. what about the other navigation solutions for the n810.. do they have these features? Aug 04 22:27:54 RST38h, consider: http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/ Aug 04 22:28:03 and keep in mind that my internal version has hundreds of trees Aug 04 22:28:31 timely: i would center (or right align) the logo on the source-view pages. Aug 04 22:28:56 lol. there goes alternate universe me Aug 04 22:28:56 jott: um, hold Aug 04 22:30:16 timely: this one would win from moving menu to the bottom Aug 04 22:30:38 and breaking it into 3-4 columns Aug 04 22:31:36 reload / Aug 04 22:31:49 which looks better, diablo or os2008? Aug 04 22:32:19 i vote for the logo in the right column :) Aug 04 22:32:29 jott: eh? Aug 04 22:32:43 * timely is still trying to remember how to fix the image align Aug 04 22:33:04 hmm... what could be the reason that a binary compiled with -mthumb is about 1.5 times LARGER than without it? Aug 04 22:33:29 jott: you prefer http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/diablo.sources.list ? Aug 04 22:33:51 zap: thumb instructions are wider iirc Aug 04 22:34:03 no, they are 16 bit vs 32-bit in normal mode Aug 04 22:34:08 making font smaller looks wrong in the title Aug 04 22:34:28 thumb instructions are narrower Aug 04 22:35:17 zap: it might have to duplicate a few funcs in thumb and arm Aug 04 22:35:19 zap: the reason is that you'll need more instructions to do work like complex jumps Aug 04 22:35:28 or could be Aug 04 22:35:39 * timely would hope the compiler doesn't have duplicated functions Aug 04 22:35:46 RST38h: in which situation compiler will duplicate a func? Aug 04 22:35:53 the compiler doesn't duplicate functions Aug 04 22:35:56 sometimes it has to Aug 04 22:36:03 hi Aug 04 22:36:15 it'll execute a jump that switches from arm to thumb instead Aug 04 22:36:19 um, its a program, not a library. I wouldn't be surprised if it would duplicate them in a library... Aug 04 22:36:24 zap: when it somehow cant generate a bx Aug 04 22:36:28 did anyone here get calendar syncing working with Ubuntu? Aug 04 22:36:40 RST38h: what's a bx? Aug 04 22:36:50 ah, a b instruction? Aug 04 22:36:57 branch with exchange Aug 04 22:37:05 ok Aug 04 22:37:08 zap: jump+mode change Aug 04 22:37:16 where exchange means switch between arm/thumb mode Aug 04 22:37:34 afair switching is done by just jumping to a non-even address Aug 04 22:37:44 non-4-multiple Aug 04 22:37:45 zap: you can ask gcc for a map and compare Aug 04 22:37:55 indeed, I should do it Aug 04 22:37:58 I'm intrigued Aug 04 22:38:01 zap: jumping with bx Aug 04 22:38:08 b wont switch Aug 04 22:38:12 aha Aug 04 22:38:22 timely: yes, i think it looks better when centered. Aug 04 22:38:27 and jazelle wants bj Aug 04 22:38:35 I read the arm asm guide several years ago last time Aug 04 22:38:46 this will jump to jaava codr Aug 04 22:39:07 bj switches the CPU to the undocumented java mode? Aug 04 22:39:29 * RST38h knows much more about arm inst set than it is safe for sanity Aug 04 22:39:41 BXJ, but yeah Aug 04 22:39:45 zap: it is documented Aug 04 22:39:59 why nobody makes a hw java interpreter then? Aug 04 22:40:08 or rather, executor Aug 04 22:40:18 some do Aug 04 22:40:40 they will have to pay Sun a license fee? Aug 04 22:40:44 it isnt fullly documented though Aug 04 22:40:50 java really needs a JIT to run fast Aug 04 22:40:51 no they wont Aug 04 22:41:00 may have to pay arm Aug 04 22:41:07 jott: and http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/find ?? Aug 04 22:41:10 virtual method calls by default are expensive, and a JIT can inline those Aug 04 22:41:30 runehol: and hw support doesn't help? Aug 04 22:41:37 java needs a shotgun fired at it Aug 04 22:41:46 RST38h: just wait until we get silverlight :) Aug 04 22:42:01 zap: jazelle accelerates it at x3 at the average Aug 04 22:42:19 cool but not a holy grail Aug 04 22:42:22 timely: hm still think "center" is better but that's just my opinion :) Aug 04 22:42:25 zap: hw that just executes java opcodes can't do all those tricks Aug 04 22:42:50 does virtual method call involve a search thru a hash table or something like that? Aug 04 22:43:00 no, it's like in C++ Aug 04 22:43:07 why its expensive then? Aug 04 22:43:08 accessing an offset in a vtable Aug 04 22:43:12 jott: reload Aug 04 22:43:17 timely: the only way you are getting shitlight is with winmobile Aug 04 22:43:18 because every method is virtual by default Aug 04 22:43:34 unlike C++, wher you have to mark methods as virtual Aug 04 22:43:35 hmm, so a JIT could accelerate C++ as well? :-) Aug 04 22:43:41 it's the power of defaults Aug 04 22:43:48 RST38h: www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1197788 Aug 04 22:43:53 not true :/ Aug 04 22:44:16 timely: better Aug 04 22:44:36 jott: really? Aug 04 22:44:37 timely: thats marketing guano Aug 04 22:45:12 timely: we have seen ie on solaris, this will be another case of that Aug 04 22:45:14 timely: do you know if that's a pure software implementation or if you'll layer it on top of a graphics accelerator? Aug 04 22:45:17 timely: look at google/yahoo/ask they all center the logo :) Aug 04 22:45:39 well ask actually not anymore :P Aug 04 22:45:43 anyway Aug 04 22:45:50 i think it's better ;) Aug 04 22:46:26 RST38h: i've seen ie on hpux too... Aug 04 22:47:11 timely: was it usable?;) Aug 04 22:47:29 yes.. Aug 04 22:48:16 http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search Aug 04 22:48:22 jott: does that really look ok? Aug 04 22:50:22 really sleep now. Aug 04 22:50:25 timely: well i would phrase it this way: "i like it better than before" Aug 04 22:50:32 hm Aug 04 22:50:47 jott: i'm accepting more input :) Aug 04 22:50:48 sound doesn't seem to work in this debian install even though it says it does on their site :) Aug 04 22:51:01 eww Aug 04 22:51:27 46 and 64 are pretty close, right? Aug 04 22:51:34 * timely fixes a small dyslexic typo Aug 04 22:52:15 this is maddening Aug 04 22:59:20 jott: so,... back to / Aug 04 22:59:24 how do i make things smaller? Aug 04 22:59:39 ah, got it - when I was using -mthumb, configure disabled optimizations (e.g. no -O2) Aug 04 22:59:40 i don't really want to try to use columns Aug 04 22:59:42 it's a royal pain Aug 04 22:59:52 zap: heh Aug 04 23:16:04 Hi all. Can anyone help me 'modprobe' Aug 04 23:16:29 means? :-) Aug 04 23:16:32 I get "modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep" whenever I try and use it on the n810 Aug 04 23:16:37 hi andre___ Aug 04 23:16:50 bcharrow: you don't modprobe, you insmod on the tablet :) Aug 04 23:16:59 I see. Aug 04 23:17:15 The reason I ask is that I compiled powertop for the 810 and it seems to want to use modprobe instead of insmod Aug 04 23:17:16 hey timely Aug 04 23:17:29 hm.. i should be able to get an ouput from cat /dev/snd/controlC0 Aug 04 23:17:46 is there something i need to install to get /dev/dsp support ? Aug 04 23:17:54 like alsa-oss or something? :) Aug 04 23:19:26 Another question: if I compile a custom kernel using scratchbox (all I do is add 'CONFIG_TIMER_STATS=y' to the .config), it breaks wifi.... Aug 04 23:19:38 I recompile cx3110x from source and can put it on Aug 04 23:19:42 did anyone here get calendar syncing working with Ubuntu Hardy? I'm not finding packages for libopensync-plugins-gpe Aug 04 23:20:14 But I was wondering if there was a way to get the compiled .ko for cx3110x onto the device via flashing Aug 04 23:20:52 as it is, I have to transfer it the MMC, and then manually (i.e. using the command line) swap my new .ko for the original one Aug 04 23:24:38 bcharrow_: put the modules in the right location, (like /lib/modules/$(uname -r)) and run depmod ( http://sse2.net/depmod ) for using modprobe Aug 04 23:24:52 bcharrow_: on diablo you can just remount,rw the initfs Aug 04 23:26:51 jott / andre___: so, what else can i do to make mxr.maemo.org prettier? Aug 04 23:27:48 don't ask me for arty stuff ;-) Aug 04 23:28:17 timely: move the logo in the right column on the /diablo page to make it consistent ;) Aug 04 23:29:02 move how? :) Aug 04 23:29:05 center? Aug 04 23:29:25 remember, not all centers are created equal Aug 04 23:30:14 timely: no in the right column like on the startpage ;) Aug 04 23:30:31 (or the /os2008/ page) Aug 04 23:32:04 jott: Thanks! Do you know if there's a way to create a custom initfs, that I can just flash stuff over? Aug 04 23:33:10 yeah, i know Aug 04 23:33:14 bcharrow_: sure, search for fanoush initfs, but for diablo you do not really need tricks for modifications of it as it can simply be mounted as rw ( mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs ) Aug 04 23:33:20 but remember, there's a table that eats into the total space Aug 04 23:33:33 so if i center the logo, it's centered against a space without the left edge Aug 04 23:33:38 which means its center won't match Aug 04 23:40:26 jott: Really appreciate it. Everything is working just fine now. Aug 04 23:40:58 ok. i'm at a loss finding out how to get nit-debian to connect with bt devices Aug 04 23:41:25 hm Aug 04 23:48:20 or play audio :) Aug 04 23:51:37 timely: hey, did you notice I implemented a usable search Aug 04 23:52:04 it's not everywhere though yet Aug 05 00:02:38 or, more broadly useful is more to the point Aug 05 00:03:00 * sp3000 sleeps Aug 05 00:21:18 gah, getting ready to move and set up utilities and stuff in my new place is taking so much of my time <_< Aug 05 00:23:24 Live in the bus station. Aug 05 00:23:55 lol Aug 05 00:24:03 there are weird people there <_< Aug 05 00:24:18 and they're a different weird <_< Aug 05 00:24:25 * rm_you is definitely weird Aug 05 00:26:06 'You. Tonight.' Aug 05 00:26:30 lol Aug 05 00:26:51 hrm, someone recommend a good memory editor program in linux? >_> Aug 05 00:27:04 OK, quick poll, who got that reference? :P Aug 05 00:27:29 apparently not me Aug 05 00:28:58 ATHF Handbanana Aug 05 00:29:22 lol dunno if i saw that ep Aug 05 00:29:39 i think my favorite is the Broodwich ^_^ Aug 05 00:29:45 i'm installing kdebluetooth Aug 05 00:29:50 talk about taking the cheap way out :) Aug 05 00:30:05 i can get my phone to see the nit-debian bt but i can't get the bastards to connect Aug 05 00:30:07 how horrible Aug 05 00:30:30 Macor: basically you could follow johnx's a2dp guide for os2008 Aug 05 00:30:34 its a lot of the same stuff Aug 05 00:30:46 crap Aug 05 00:30:48 where's that at? Aug 05 00:30:48 just dont need to do the hcid.conf edits Aug 05 00:30:51 ITT Aug 05 00:30:58 Bah I want Boost and Git for Maemo Aug 05 00:31:10 ~a2dp Aug 05 00:31:19 a2dp is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 Aug 05 00:31:27 infobot: a2dp is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 Aug 05 00:31:28 rm_you: okay Aug 05 00:31:31 ~a2dp Aug 05 00:31:32 from memory, a2dp is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 Aug 05 00:31:44 infobot, we lost Scotty again Aug 05 00:32:01 i was looking for that forever Aug 05 00:32:08 they need to make a better search engine :) Aug 05 00:34:51 this is different rm_you Aug 05 00:34:57 right Aug 05 00:35:01 you need to do just some of the bits Aug 05 00:35:20 for a bt phone in nit-debian? Aug 05 00:35:25 well Aug 05 00:35:37 this is just for playing audio/etc Aug 05 00:35:44 for phone, you will need to use hcitool Aug 05 00:35:58 http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/hcitool1.html Aug 05 00:37:05 do hcitool scan Aug 05 00:37:09 then Aug 05 00:37:26 hcitool cc MAC_ADDRESS Aug 05 00:37:34 hcitool auth MAC_ADDRESS Aug 05 00:38:49 scan works... cc works.. but auth says "not connected" Aug 05 00:39:33 oh .. i'm sorry.. i mean cc didn't connect Aug 05 00:40:22 hrm Aug 05 00:40:29 but the phone showed up in the scan? Aug 05 00:41:00 yeah Aug 05 00:41:07 is there a way to tell the tablet to only expose one of the cards via usb? Aug 05 00:41:19 i can actually connect to the n800 with the phone but it will not pair Aug 05 00:41:56 hrm Aug 05 00:42:19 you could try asking in #bluez Aug 05 00:42:27 yeah.. thanks Aug 05 00:43:18 sorry :( the extent of my experience with bluetooth is mostly for audio devices and phones that "just work" (my motorola) Aug 05 00:43:20 <_< Aug 05 00:47:51 heh Aug 05 00:48:04 i dunno... my nokia n95 just worked in maemo ;) Aug 05 00:48:29 once i figure out how to do it i guess i'll send them a howto to put on their site :) Aug 05 00:49:37 damn thing just doesn't seem to want to connect Aug 05 00:49:41 what a bastard :) Aug 05 00:51:06 i'll install kdebluetooth... mayve there is some setting i'm missing Aug 05 00:52:13 i'm starting to suspect that it is a problem wtih the actual driver Aug 05 00:52:36 hcitool cc device "can't create connection: input/output error Aug 05 00:54:22 [ 2075.609375] cx3110x: WARNING prism_softmac_frame_tx_done() returned an empty frame. Aug 05 01:56:58 wow Aug 05 01:57:01 just... wow Aug 05 01:57:18 massive room Aug 05 01:57:43 so, yeah.. i'm trying to build a program for os2008 Aug 05 01:58:11 and the program requires perl Aug 05 01:58:16 but it can't find the libs Aug 05 01:58:20 in scratchbox Aug 05 02:02:33 :( how long do nicks stay registered on this server? Aug 05 02:02:41 also, dead room.. Aug 05 02:16:36 Trencher|, perl libs? or specific modules? Aug 05 02:17:02 if you setup the scratchbox environment properly you should have perl Aug 05 02:17:05 dpkg-query -S /usr/bin/perl Aug 05 02:23:04 :( reading up, maemo has no libperl-dev.. looking for libperl.a Aug 05 02:23:18 trying to build irssi+perl Aug 05 02:25:51 hmm Aug 05 02:25:59 maybe build perl lol? Aug 05 02:28:08 i will post pics if it happens Aug 05 02:28:11 and maybe even a deb Aug 05 02:28:19 i saw a deb on garage Aug 05 02:28:22 but it's down Aug 05 02:28:27 and didn't have perl anyway Aug 05 02:28:39 i think it'd be great to use the 770 as a shell Aug 05 02:28:49 very eco-friendly, and easy on the power bill Aug 05 02:29:04 probably slow as molasses Aug 05 02:29:10 but that fits my usage lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 05 02:59:57 2008