**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 07 02:59:57 2008 Aug 07 03:05:56 <[yzf600]> rm_you: thanks a ton! Aug 07 03:06:25 <[yzf600]> I guess the nokia 770 python libs just aren't up to the task I asked Aug 07 03:07:31 <[yzf600]> rm_you: yea - I can't find any cheap 15 port switches either Aug 07 03:08:05 <[yzf600]> ebay may be best chance to get a deal Aug 07 03:43:40 wtf? Aug 07 03:43:57 how did ABL go to 23,000 downloads >_> Aug 07 04:06:28 ABL? Aug 07 04:07:38 advanced backlight Aug 07 04:08:39 there was like ten updates within couple of days ;) Aug 07 04:11:47 What sort of changes? Aug 07 04:11:51 * Mercury clearly needs to update his n810. Aug 07 04:12:25 mikkov_: They have not made it to diablo. Aug 07 04:12:29 * Mercury looks sad. Aug 07 04:15:09 updates were week or two ago Aug 07 04:16:04 i am just saying that updates bumped downloads a bit Aug 07 04:16:33 diablo should have all of the newest changes <_< Aug 07 04:17:12 Hrm. Aug 07 04:17:18 it's just that, when we released the newest (and current) version, downloads jumped from 2000 to 8000 in like two days and then sat there for a week... i was kind of expecting that to be it. Aug 07 04:18:18 Ahhh. Aug 07 04:18:20 i think that there is somekind of delay in downloads Aug 07 04:18:22 It's a very handy utility. Aug 07 04:18:42 Now, if there was a way to disable the default brightness thinggy as well, so it wouldn't take up space, that would be even better. Aug 07 04:18:58 Mercury: fairly easily done Aug 07 04:19:28 Mercury: settings -> control panel -> panels Aug 07 04:19:37 "status bar" tab Aug 07 04:19:45 uncheck "display" and "sound" Aug 07 04:20:40 rm_you: Thanks. :) Aug 07 04:20:52 np :) Aug 07 04:22:55 maybe downloads from repository are updated once a week and .install file clicks are real time Aug 07 04:25:11 ah possibly Aug 07 04:49:05 stupid USPS is trying to eat my n810 Aug 07 04:49:27 they tried to deliver it today, and they say i only have 24 hours to pick it up or they ship it back Aug 07 04:50:34 O_o Aug 07 04:52:36 not to mention i live in an apartment complex, someone in the office could have signed Aug 07 05:41:05 hi :) Aug 07 05:41:37 Hi ! Aug 07 05:41:53 heyyyyyyyyyyyyy are you the person developing the mcalendar thingy? Aug 07 05:43:01 that was to khertan btw :) Aug 07 05:44:42 well... i wonder if anybody can give some advice for development environment setup and choice? Aug 07 05:45:12 Khertan_n810, did you get pycrypto packaged? :D Aug 07 05:45:29 no ... Aug 07 05:45:39 i ve played with diablo Aug 07 05:45:49 but diablo2 from blizzard Aug 07 05:45:50 :) Aug 07 05:45:55 hehe :) Aug 07 05:45:55 heh Aug 07 05:46:25 moontiger > yes i m the dev of mcalendar Aug 07 05:46:48 lemme see if I can package pycrypto (bearing in mind, I'm more used packaging c apps) Aug 07 05:47:01 awesome ... i was going to write something similar but then found mcalendar Aug 07 05:47:16 im having a problem even deciding what dev env to use ... Aug 07 05:47:27 i prefer c/c++ but python is nice too Aug 07 05:47:48 :) Aug 07 05:47:56 but im having a hard time even getting to the point where i can get a simple "hello world" on the actual n810 Aug 07 05:48:08 c/c++ can t be compiled on board Aug 07 05:48:12 right Aug 07 05:48:18 so not many choice for me :) Aug 07 05:48:28 so what do you use for dev work? Aug 07 05:48:37 and python is so nice Aug 07 05:48:52 ahhh Aug 07 05:48:54 i dev on my nit in the train Aug 07 05:48:55 ok Aug 07 05:49:01 hehe coolio Aug 07 05:49:14 so mainly with pygtkeditor and osso-xterm Aug 07 05:49:15 so u use python on the actual tablet? Aug 07 05:50:16 i wanted a calendar for the desktop that reads my google calendar and shows events up to a month ahead Aug 07 05:50:39 so i knocked up a quick gtk / python desktop app that works (looks like crap but whatever) Aug 07 05:50:50 but i have no clue how to get that converted over to the n810 Aug 07 05:50:50 c can be compiled on the tablet. I know some people on the ITT forums and lcuk here does it. Aug 07 05:51:13 like ... do u use eclipse and pluthon at all? Aug 07 05:51:49 don t use at all eclipse Aug 07 05:51:58 ok cool ... its big and slow Aug 07 05:52:05 qwerty12 > yes but slow and hard to install Aug 07 05:52:21 i would prefer to use c / c++ but i have no clue how to actually use the scratchbox thingy :( Aug 07 05:52:24 true but slow and hard to install != it can't be done Aug 07 05:53:06 moontiger: run linux on any of your computers? Aug 07 05:53:32 all of them ... mostly xubuntu ... i got bored with compiling my own stuff Aug 07 05:53:36 moontiger > use the vmware applyance Aug 07 05:54:25 moontiger: vmware is the easy option to set it up, if you are a vmware hater, you can install it on xubuntu Aug 07 05:54:41 i set i tup ok ... just not sure what to do next Aug 07 05:54:46 log in and then? Aug 07 05:55:16 do i really have to use vi or something for an editor? Aug 07 05:55:20 Do you have the DIABLO/CHINOOK_ARMEL target installed? Aug 07 05:55:23 or *ubuntu Aug 07 05:55:42 yes i have the whole scratchbox / armel thingy installed with xephyr Aug 07 05:55:46 Inside scratchbox you do have to use vi, but you can get access to your files outside scratchbox and use gedit whatever Aug 07 05:55:48 on xubuntu Aug 07 05:56:03 god i hate vi Aug 07 05:56:05 :/ Aug 07 05:56:40 so vi / nano / joe and manual cmd line compiles yes? Aug 07 05:56:47 should do Aug 07 05:57:07 and then how do i get the apps onto the n810 when i want to dist them? Aug 07 05:57:52 Some people use ssh, I just go into /scratchbox/users/$USER/home/$USER and copy them onto the N800 over usb Aug 07 05:57:57 sorry for all the dumb questions btw but i *really* want to get started on some apps and this is frustrating Aug 07 05:58:18 oh so the compile is a static link and an xcopy deploy works? Aug 07 05:59:08 You should read this: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf Aug 07 05:59:14 That goes into packaging apps into deb files Aug 07 05:59:30 eeeesh .... ok thanks Aug 07 05:59:32 :) Aug 07 06:00:01 It's not a way of saying bye :), its just that can explain better than me :) Aug 07 06:00:18 oh ok thnx :) Aug 07 06:01:01 khertan ... is it considered rude for me to develop another desktop calendar thingy that reads from google calendar? Aug 07 06:01:13 i mean since you are writing one Aug 07 06:01:33 rude ? (sorry i m french) Aug 07 06:01:48 not polite Aug 07 06:02:13 im in san francisco right now but im moving to madrid at the end of the year Aug 07 06:02:44 no of course not Aug 07 06:02:49 bte that pdf is really good ... thanks so much :) Aug 07 06:02:55 i ll let more choice for user Aug 07 06:02:59 ok cool ... just making sure Aug 07 06:03:55 do you want to make a view in list like mcalendar or same view as google agenda Aug 07 06:03:57 ? Aug 07 06:04:43 i wanted to first of all make a scrollable window on the desktop to show me up to one month of events in my google calendar ... just simple "name" "start" "end" details for now Aug 07 06:04:55 then maybe allow editing locally and re-syncing Aug 07 06:05:10 i have some code that reads them now on my desktop in python Aug 07 06:05:47 eventually i wanted to use the inertial scrolling too Aug 07 06:06:25 then of course it would be good to link to a local store like mcalendar for when no net connection is available Aug 07 06:07:52 forgot my n800 Aug 07 06:08:00 wow its getting busy here now ... europe is waking up :) Aug 07 06:08:38 now i have to use my n95 Aug 07 06:10:09 moontiger: the coffee is starting to work Aug 07 06:10:10 :P Aug 07 06:10:24 hah Aug 07 06:10:30 * qwerty12 doesn't drink coffee and I was up at 6:30 :P Aug 07 06:10:59 sts. sorry. gave up on debian Aug 07 06:11:04 Macor: alright Aug 07 06:11:21 Macor: thought you did that already :) Aug 07 06:11:28 its great but the sound and bt support Aug 07 06:11:34 Mmm.. Coffee Aug 07 06:11:40 were killing me Aug 07 06:11:43 Bad coffee, but still Aug 07 06:11:43 Macor: think fatalsaint was looking at BT support Aug 07 06:12:13 if you guys make it as easy as maemo Aug 07 06:12:15 Macor: in any case, thanks for telling me the hald errors so we could get things rolling :) Aug 07 06:12:27 that would be awesome Aug 07 06:13:00 Khertan_n810: I've got http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pycrypto/ packaged Aug 07 06:13:09 hehe. not sure there's handy things like that built on this side of the pond. isn't there something like a networkmanager plugin for PPP connections? Aug 07 06:13:10 and the sound support. it would replace maemo hands down Aug 07 06:13:29 sounds support worked in johnx's beta3.. its a matter of finding out how it was done then Aug 07 06:13:36 you need a dnep module Aug 07 06:13:55 i gotta run to the bus now, ttyl Aug 07 06:14:05 later Aug 07 06:14:14 bfn Aug 07 06:14:32 ill get another sd tomorrow Aug 07 06:15:00 and work on it some more Aug 07 06:15:31 im just having some tea ...before i go to bed Aug 07 06:15:37 that way i can swap it out for maemo/kde Aug 07 06:16:03 it is awesome tho sts Aug 07 06:21:09 * moontiger re-installs scratchbox and the sdk Aug 07 06:21:13 internettablettalk.com is down? Aug 07 06:21:39 hah and it just started working again :) Aug 07 06:23:10 Glad we could help Aug 07 06:30:44 hi. anyone who tried java on maemo here? if i make my java app work on JamVM, will that work on maemo+jalimo too? should jalimo be my preferred target or is there something better? Aug 07 06:31:52 * qwerty12 loses faith in linux when it fails to mount a simple iso image. Even windows has no problems :/ Aug 07 06:32:35 permissions? Aug 07 06:33:13 Checked them. I think it may be the file name. A shame as even windows has no problems with that name. Aug 07 06:33:19 Heh Aug 07 06:34:53 [ 2510.113353] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. :/ Aug 07 06:35:40 arrgh, I think it's because I left it mounted in daemon tools. a restart beckons me. shit. Aug 07 06:41:16 i have a question about scratchbox. do you just have to change the target to arm and build most source like you would on aj pc? Aug 07 06:42:13 a pc Aug 07 06:43:24 or do you have to do a lot of src modifications to get it to work? Aug 07 06:45:09 n95 ... i think the idea is its just switch targets and rebuild Aug 07 06:45:29 afaik (and im new to this too) the scratchbox emulates the n810 on the x86 Aug 07 06:45:47 so when it runs on that ... change target so the right code is emitted then recompile Aug 07 06:47:55 thats what i figured Aug 07 06:48:10 else whats the point right? Aug 07 06:48:20 ill play with it more Aug 07 06:48:45 i wanted to make my own kde build Aug 07 06:49:18 to try to get kopete to have ssl support Aug 07 06:50:14 thats the only thing wrong with pb's install Aug 07 06:50:45 plus he has a ton of apps i would never use Aug 07 06:52:34 i wanted to have a bare kde install and make a rep to add crossed apps. keeping all of it seperate instead of a 1G install from a tarball Aug 07 06:53:31 all the hardware works in kde since it is run from maemo Aug 07 06:55:49 * qwerty12 should make an "I am rich" application for maemo Aug 07 06:56:07 ? Aug 07 06:56:28 http://www.iphonehacks.com/2008/08/iphone-iamrich.html Aug 07 06:57:07 Someone actually bought it as well : http://i35.tinypic.com/vfeo5.png Aug 07 06:57:50 im on my n95 Aug 07 06:58:26 dont think i can hop to www to easy from putty Aug 07 06:59:01 Armin Heinrich had released an app on the iTunes App Store called "I Am Rich". for $999.99. All the iPhone app did was display a red gem on the iPhone and iPod touch and nothing else as can be seen below. The description of the iPhone App in iTunes read: Aug 07 06:59:01 "The red icon on your iPhone or iPod touch always reminds you (and others when you show it to them) that you were rich enough to afford this. It's a work of art with no hidden function at all." Aug 07 06:59:15 :) Aug 07 06:59:20 Someone actually bought it as well Aug 07 06:59:28 Cute Aug 07 07:00:42 qwerty12> in fact buy an app on the app store is one click Aug 07 07:00:57 so author surely hope an error from someone Aug 07 07:01:20 there is already other overpriced app available Aug 07 07:01:20 And he got it : http://i35.tinypic.com/vfeo5.png Aug 07 07:01:27 That is a nice scam though Aug 07 07:01:37 haha Aug 07 07:02:07 lol Aug 07 07:03:14 i think ill get an n810 tomorrow Aug 07 07:04:12 id have to order it tho. dont think most stores carry them Aug 07 07:04:37 i need the querty Aug 07 07:05:03 er Aug 07 07:05:12 * qwerty12 pretends not to be flattered Aug 07 07:05:16 w Aug 07 07:05:22 hah Aug 07 07:05:53 qwerty12 > i see in log that you have packaged pycrypto Aug 07 07:05:55 thx Aug 07 07:06:10 in extras-devel repository ? Aug 07 07:06:19 I don't think I can upload it to extras though, I used bdist_debian Aug 07 07:06:31 Hmm, I'll see if I can package it properly Aug 07 07:06:56 hey, i read somewhere that the old email client is still somewhere in diablo, how can i change back to that old one ? Aug 07 07:07:27 This new email program is unstable, i keep gettin "internal error" program closed messages Aug 07 07:07:33 samppa: that was only if you did the leaked beta upgrade from chinook to diablo (like me) before diablo was out :/ Aug 07 07:07:48 ah okey Aug 07 07:07:55 is there away to hack that old back Aug 07 07:08:05 away = way Aug 07 07:08:06 modest doesnt work with my zimbra simap Aug 07 07:08:23 No, unless you mount a chinook rootfs and get to dpkg-repacking Aug 07 07:08:35 i just use claws Aug 07 07:08:53 i'm really inclined to use claws after some days with modest Aug 07 07:08:58 do you get errors in modest also? Aug 07 07:09:01 atleast under debian it was really useful and stable Aug 07 07:09:53 no. modest just wont ssl to my zimbra imap Aug 07 07:10:03 * qwerty12 remembers when people were getting excited that modest would be the default email client in diablo Aug 07 07:10:19 qwerty12: i actually liked the old one better, it didn't fuck around that much :P Aug 07 07:10:20 claws is nice tho Aug 07 07:10:44 Stskeeps: yeah that old one was much better Aug 07 07:10:47 modest has better lists Aug 07 07:10:53 Stskeeps: yeah. I don't remember modest having so much problems in chinook. Nokia must have applied their magic programming skills to it. Aug 07 07:10:55 maybe i should try claws Aug 07 07:10:57 modest is a real shame Aug 07 07:11:01 almost good Aug 07 07:11:04 but totally useless Aug 07 07:11:05 modest works very well for me Aug 07 07:11:18 and is really usefull Aug 07 07:11:43 Works for me too, but I don't use it much Aug 07 07:11:55 connecton will drop ... Aug 07 07:11:59 well. it wouldnt connect to my zimbra server Aug 07 07:11:59 there are just a few things that make it unusable for me Aug 07 07:12:02 maybe its not working when your email box is very large Aug 07 07:12:19 i gave up on it Aug 07 07:12:29 and like claws Aug 07 07:12:29 mine is actually very small - since i go by the GTD principle, my inbox is often just at 0 messages :P Aug 07 07:12:29 everytime i receive a message it is closed due to internal error Aug 07 07:12:45 claws works well enough even tho its a bit weird sometimes Aug 07 07:13:04 samppa ... thats a great junk mail filter ;) Aug 07 07:13:22 i like the interface Aug 07 07:13:24 hehe Aug 07 07:13:33 all dpad Aug 07 07:14:33 its not working even if my inbox has only 1 message...bu i do have lots of messages in other folders, messages i want to save Aug 07 07:14:41 they should let you use the onscreen kb from the dpad Aug 07 07:15:11 or have a side scrolling alphabet Aug 07 07:15:39 that you can use instead of pecking Aug 07 07:17:05 the onscreen kb is kind of irritating sometimes Aug 07 07:18:17 hmm modest bugzilla says that this bug has been fixed and will be available in the next update Aug 07 07:24:49 new version of mCalendar uploaded Aug 07 07:25:38 how do i switch the scratchbox compiler to output a file that will run on the n810? Aug 07 07:25:53 Next update = 2012 Aug 07 07:25:58 sb-menu, change to diablo_armel Aug 07 07:26:06 run sb-menu rather Aug 07 07:26:18 thats what i did ... then i compile and get a compiled file Aug 07 07:26:30 then i copy it to my n810 and try to run it but it wont run Aug 07 07:26:34 anyt houghts? Aug 07 07:26:47 you can't run straight of a vfat mmc, move to ~ and chmod +x it Aug 07 07:26:52 *off Aug 07 07:27:01 ahhhhhhhhhhhh cant run from the mmc's Aug 07 07:27:03 doh! Aug 07 07:27:04 thanks Aug 07 07:27:05 :) Aug 07 07:28:41 * qwerty12 notices that I don't get opengl problems in windows if I leave Catalyst Control Center open. Aug 07 07:29:13 hell yeah!! that did it ... thanks so much!! Aug 07 07:29:19 np Aug 07 07:29:21 finally i can develop for this thing :) Aug 07 07:29:39 lol Aug 07 07:29:49 Get the hang of packaging though :). Much easier then moving binaries around Aug 07 07:29:57 Morning. Aug 07 07:30:04 its so frustrating being a major geek and not being able to figure out the dev process for the platform Aug 07 07:30:05 Morning X-Fade Aug 07 07:30:07 morning x-fde Aug 07 07:30:17 morning X-Fade Aug 07 07:30:20 * X-Fade pokes zap with a very very very sharp stick. Aug 07 07:30:24 yah i will get the whole process sorted out so i can package Aug 07 07:30:35 X-Fade, good luck as he doesn't seem to be here under that name :/ Aug 07 07:30:55 qwerty12: Yeah, I know. But at least he will find it in the irc log ;) Aug 07 07:31:03 khertan ... what did you change in mcalendar just now? Aug 07 07:31:23 sync errors ... Aug 07 07:31:28 ahhhhh ok Aug 07 07:31:45 are you using the gdata python client lib for the communication? Aug 07 07:31:48 qwerty12: He seems to have broken bzip2, which in turn breaks building some packages on the autobuilder ;) Aug 07 07:32:02 OUCH Aug 07 07:32:11 Khertan_n810: i have a feature request for mCalendar :) Aug 07 07:32:16 * aquatix stumbles in Aug 07 07:32:23 aquatix > :) Aug 07 07:32:27 qwerty12: But it is weird, because it is just an upstream ubuntu version. Aug 07 07:32:35 say i m open to new idea Aug 07 07:32:35 yeah, i got synch errors too btw Aug 07 07:32:42 :) Aug 07 07:32:44 well, all-day events Aug 07 07:32:51 X-Fade, That's really odd. Can't you revert to an older version for the time being? Aug 07 07:32:54 and `no end date' with repeating ones Aug 07 07:32:59 this is what i m working in Aug 07 07:33:03 cool Aug 07 07:33:08 qwerty12: yeah, I guess I would need to do that. Aug 07 07:33:12 thought so, but i thought i'd mention it Aug 07 07:33:32 Khertan_n810: any clue why i get synch errors atm Aug 07 07:33:40 yes no end date is a google calendar feature Aug 07 07:34:05 i have a `no end date' feature on my symbian phone too btw Aug 07 07:34:20 aquatix > error is due to me. I believe the google api doc, which i shouldn t Aug 07 07:34:43 lol Aug 07 07:35:07 aquatix > hum ... well by default i should make it with no end date Aug 07 07:35:44 that'd be nice Aug 07 07:35:50 that's how my smartphone does it too Aug 07 07:35:54 and google cal iirc Aug 07 07:36:30 :) Aug 07 07:37:43 * Khertan_n810 try to understand why when you set a reccurent day for all day on 7/8/08 Aug 07 07:37:55 end time become 8/8/08 Aug 07 07:38:05 and not 7/8/08 Aug 07 07:38:12 as it should be Aug 07 07:38:24 stupid idea ! Aug 07 07:38:27 :/ Aug 07 07:38:32 yeah, sounds odd Aug 07 07:39:14 there is many things like this Aug 07 07:39:40 hehe i got my python calendar thingy working on the n810 too ... i see what u mean about python being less hassle to get running than c/c++ Aug 07 07:39:55 date format change between two similars call for the same events Aug 07 07:40:33 moontiger > already done ? Aug 07 07:41:03 hehe just the basic crappy looking one ... it just pulls the events down and shows them in a window Aug 07 07:41:16 but now i can actually make it look nice and run as a home applet Aug 07 07:41:56 home applet is easy to do in python :) Aug 07 07:42:54 Khertan_n810: do you have any code/new version to test? Aug 07 07:43:03 really? im excited to get working on it tomorrow morning ... i just wanted to have the possibility to see a month or so of events on my home screen Aug 07 07:43:28 yes it will be available in few minutes in extras-devel 0.3.1 Aug 07 07:43:57 i have much to learn but thanks so much for all the help so far :) Aug 07 07:44:07 moontiger > you can now by using mCalendar and HomeCalendar Aug 07 07:44:15 :) Aug 07 07:44:32 the home page thingy can show me more than 2 days of events? Aug 07 07:44:36 Khertan_n810: ah great Aug 07 07:45:09 and a 0.3.2 in the end of the day Aug 07 07:46:22 btw i do use mcalendar and homecalendar ... they are good :) Aug 07 07:47:30 thx Aug 07 07:48:02 so why making an other calendar app ? Aug 07 07:48:07 for an other ui ? Aug 07 07:48:09 give me a few days or so to get up to speed on this stuff and if you need / want any help i'll be happy to get involved :) Aug 07 07:48:18 :) Aug 07 07:48:29 well i wanted to be able to see more than 2 days on the home screen Aug 07 07:48:50 so i figured that was a good enough excuse to get into maemo dev work Aug 07 07:49:00 :) Aug 07 07:49:05 i usually do a lot of web stuff these days and c/c++ desktop stuff Aug 07 07:49:21 but i wanted to be able to code for the n810 sionce i got one at xmas Aug 07 07:49:35 if u can discover how to made setting for a python home applet Aug 07 07:49:54 ok sure ... i will look into it Aug 07 07:49:56 i ll be happy to add setting for more than 2 days:) Aug 07 07:50:05 thats what i thought would be good Aug 07 07:50:51 im not teaching until next week so i have a few days to play around and figure it out Aug 07 07:53:24 i must go get some sleep now but i will look into that and be back in a day or two ... thanks again for the help guys :) Aug 07 08:34:04 Morning, all Aug 07 08:34:18 Morning Jaffa Aug 07 08:34:29 zap, X-Fade wants to have words with you :P Aug 07 08:35:10 qwerty12: Lol ;) I have already mailed zap.. Aug 07 08:35:31 Heh :) Aug 07 08:38:02 me? Aug 07 08:40:04 zap: The bzip2 package has a broken postinst. So I removed it from the repo. Aug 07 08:40:12 oh Aug 07 08:40:19 it did something wrong to you? Aug 07 08:40:31 zap: It broke builds that depend on bzip2. Aug 07 08:40:44 postinst doesn't work? Aug 07 08:40:49 And I was building qt4, which broke. Aug 07 08:40:53 aha Aug 07 08:40:58 okay, I'll fix this Aug 07 08:41:24 are you working at trolltech? Aug 07 08:41:28 morning Aug 07 08:41:50 zap: The update-mime-type thingie doesn't exist.. Aug 07 08:42:10 * zap checks Aug 07 08:42:11 zap: No, I'm not a troll ;) Aug 07 08:42:23 * qwerty12 eats trolls Aug 07 08:42:31 zap: /var/lib/dpkg/info/bzip2.postinst: line 6: update-mime-database: command not found Aug 07 08:42:33 update-mime-database Aug 07 08:42:45 well, it is present on tablet Aug 07 08:42:54 and it's part of the stock ROM Aug 07 08:43:16 * qwerty12 sees a problem with autobuilder. update-mime-database benefits the tablet. Aug 07 08:43:17 zap: I guess you need to specify a depend if you need it? Aug 07 08:43:20 zap: s/ROM/distro Aug 07 08:43:26 hrw: ok Aug 07 08:43:33 update-mime-database is in shared-mime-info Aug 07 08:43:46 I thought it's part of the default scratchbox Aug 07 08:43:56 never installed it in scratchbox though Aug 07 08:44:06 zap: unless your tablet has ROM instead of Flash. but then you have bad luck Aug 07 08:44:14 in this case all my packages need fixing Aug 07 08:44:19 zap: I pee on scratchbox Aug 07 08:44:57 hrw, I could program you a python toilet if you wish? Aug 07 08:45:14 with sounds? Aug 07 08:45:30 Well, it may take me a while to find a waterproof sound recorder Aug 07 08:45:41 will it include a python in it though, that is the question Aug 07 08:45:55 * qwerty12 remembers the snakes on a plane scene Aug 07 08:46:00 Although I detest sb2 Aug 07 08:46:33 zap: You might want to check what other packages do.. Aug 07 08:46:49 * zap checks Aug 07 08:56:52 X-Fade: okay, tablet-browser-ui does not depend on shared-mime-info and it uses update-mime-database Aug 07 08:58:13 hi Aug 07 08:58:54 zap: But maybe one of it's dependencies draws it in? Aug 07 08:59:16 I checked libhildonmime0 and it doesn't as well Aug 07 08:59:34 ah, I must just try dpkg -r shared-mime-info Aug 07 09:00:43 osso-imageviewer depends, libosso--gnomevfs2-common, hildon-application-framework-rx34-rx44 and osso-software-version-rx44 Aug 07 09:00:47 four packages Aug 07 09:01:34 oh well, scratchbox isn't going to change anyway, so I'll have to put in this dependency Aug 07 09:14:21 hm Aug 07 09:32:42 Anybody fluent in pygame ? I wonder if it is possible to have a gtk like textview sort of widget with it. Aug 07 09:33:08 Or may be, if somebody knows of a pygame application that render large chunk of text correctly, let me know the name please. Aug 07 09:43:13 got it http://www.learningpython.com/2006/12/13/textwidget-a-simple-text-class-for-pygame/ Aug 07 09:45:52 you should sacrifice a chicken for the ultimate pygame powers Aug 07 09:46:29 Or port and install chicken.. Aug 07 09:47:07 This N770 hacking thing is getting to be an illness :( Aug 07 09:47:33 I'll sacrifice a chicken when i find a -laarge chunk of text_ sample. This is more like a label thingy. Aug 07 09:47:40 At the best i could sacrifice an egg. Aug 07 09:47:47 I now have one with an extended battery (fully internal, removed the metal battery cage) and an internal full sized SD slot... Aug 07 09:49:54 And now I'm seriously considering how to do a 6 bit SD interface - Which means desoldering a microBGA, making a PCB and connecting a DQFN part. Aug 07 09:50:04 Then doing the required kernel mods. Aug 07 09:51:14 Pics + text along the way, I hope Aug 07 09:51:38 For the 6 bit mod? Unlikely. Aug 07 09:52:13 0.5mm pitch packages are really not starting material :) Aug 07 09:52:51 Pretty sure I have photos from the battery mod, though. Aug 07 09:53:41 Internal SD card is easy - Remove and replace the existing MMC slot with a bigger one. Requires dremel work of course. Aug 07 09:54:32 how do i make -dev package from my app ? do i have to use some fancy tool for this ? Aug 07 09:54:51 Dibblah: but does someone still use 770? Aug 07 09:54:51 if i want to make packages with headers and without Aug 07 09:55:10 hrw: :( Aug 07 09:55:22 * Dibblah can't afford new hardware. Aug 07 09:56:00 770 would be nice if unofficial sw support would keep up Aug 07 09:56:34 Aging hw could be affordable and available. Not just per person, but per task. Aug 07 09:56:44 That'd be hard since the hardware is so limited. Aug 07 09:56:53 770 can still do very much Aug 07 09:56:53 Meh, I could never be tempted to buy a 770. I have enough troubles on an N800. An slower processor and WSOD risk would make me suicidal. Aug 07 09:56:57 I've been thinking of making some terminals out of those Aug 07 09:57:18 i got 60 fps from a NES emulator on 770 Aug 07 09:57:22 Less RAM is the killer. Aug 07 09:57:28 yes for many things Aug 07 09:57:33 pupnik, wow, nice results Aug 07 09:57:37 Not for pocket computer uses so much Aug 07 09:57:47 But one thing that is good is that it plays videos better than N800 Aug 07 09:57:58 And it's impossible to upgrade, since they're using BGA combined RAM / EEPROM. Aug 07 09:58:11 Argh. Flash. It's not the 80s any more. Aug 07 09:58:11 samppa: when you start with dh_make, states it is a library you are apckaging Aug 07 09:58:38 It will create a template debian directory with the control file suited for a binaary and a -dev package. Aug 07 09:59:20 ah ok Aug 07 09:59:28 so i dont have to use cdbs or something? Aug 07 09:59:43 i do not know what cdbs is. Aug 07 09:59:54 so i guess it is not needed :) Aug 07 10:00:52 common debian build system - or something :) Aug 07 10:01:08 yop, just googled for it.. Never heard of it before. Aug 07 10:01:19 ok, good Aug 07 10:01:33 ill try as you said Aug 07 10:02:40 XTLi: 770 is impossible to support for non-maemo systems Aug 07 10:03:07 XTLi: same problem with other systems too -- no support for some important components Aug 07 10:03:18 Mm Aug 07 10:03:45 It requires too much hidden DSP magic for even simple stuff, IMHO. Aug 07 10:03:53 But it's the platform I have :( Aug 07 10:04:29 wuuut? Aug 07 10:04:48 You don't need the DSP to 9 out of 10 things done on the NIT Aug 07 10:05:00 s/to/to do/ Aug 07 10:05:00 crashanddie meant: You don't need the DSP to do 9 out of 10 things done on the NIT Aug 07 10:05:12 hrw: changing the rootfs works pretty nicely (keeping the initfs untouched) Aug 07 10:05:28 melmoth: Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs? which one should i select ? Aug 07 10:05:37 kulve: and you need to run closed dsme/bme to get battery charged etc? Aug 07 10:05:53 hrw: those are run from the initfs, iirc Aug 07 10:06:08 kulve: and system is no longer free... Aug 07 10:06:11 ie. they are run even if you reaplce the rootfs Aug 07 10:06:23 samppa, if you want the -dev one, I guess library Aug 07 10:06:58 crashanddie: ok, thanx Aug 07 10:07:34 Dibblah: you changed the battery.. Aug 07 10:07:37 kulve: not if I boot to rootfs Aug 07 10:07:47 XTLi: Yup. Aug 07 10:08:15 Would any of the nits run well off some other random DC source or battery than approved one? Aug 07 10:08:22 kulve: you do not need to boot to initfs Aug 07 10:08:38 The battery charger (being software based) is actually quite flexible. Aug 07 10:08:56 Would also be a good thing for "embedded" use not relying on aging batteries Aug 07 10:10:08 ETEN M700 battery is the same form factor - But 2400mAh. Aug 07 10:10:27 Obviously, it's deeper. Aug 07 10:11:08 samppa: LIBRARY Aug 07 10:17:16 zap: unzip 5.52-14-maemo3 is broken according to h-a-m Aug 07 10:17:24 h-a-m? Aug 07 10:17:31 hildon application manager Aug 07 10:17:54 well I haven't tried yet, thats why I was pushing it to extras-devel Aug 07 10:17:55 hrw: Is it still? Aug 07 10:18:04 it installs though fine with dpkg -i Aug 07 10:20:48 I've always wondered what things cause that invalid package thing and how to look for it Aug 07 10:24:24 XTLi: ham gave me unzip and unrar to update - unrar fine, unzip not Aug 07 10:27:23 strange, apt-get install unzip worked fine Aug 07 10:34:17 Can someone explain to me how the standard OMAP2420 is setup wrt LCD controller and framebuffer location Aug 07 10:34:19 ? Aug 07 10:37:08 for example, does the bare chip come with an lcd controller or is this normally part of the lcd itself? Aug 07 10:51:35 ok, so there's an internal LCD controller I see Aug 07 11:03:06 omap has a built-in lcd controller Aug 07 11:03:10 just like pxa Aug 07 11:03:13 yes Aug 07 11:03:30 that's what SRAM is dedicated for Aug 07 11:03:49 is it really, the kernel source doesn't make that very clear Aug 07 11:04:53 I'm not sure it can use other memory, but it's possible it can Aug 07 11:05:05 my question is really more to do with the pipeline and how it swithces between outputing to the LCD vs TV Aug 07 11:05:38 it outputs to both Aug 07 11:05:53 it can anyways Aug 07 11:05:58 not simultaneously though Aug 07 11:06:15 i think n95 outputs same screen to both Aug 07 11:06:20 i could test in a second Aug 07 11:06:31 there are ways to get around the pipeline issue, so I read Aug 07 11:06:40 but I'd like to know the structure of the pipeline Aug 07 11:07:14 lardman: The N95 can display 640x480 images on the TV while showing it as 320x240 on it's screen. Aug 07 11:07:32 the video encoder uses a different address Aug 07 11:07:43 it can of course be set up to pick the image from the same memory Aug 07 11:07:49 quite Aug 07 11:07:50 in which case you'll see the same Aug 07 11:08:19 so the omap contains a video encoder which can take the framebuffer data and output it as PAL/NTSC? Aug 07 11:08:25 yes Aug 07 11:08:36 we're not interesed in LCD encoder Aug 07 11:08:51 I know, but I need to pick the functionality apart Aug 07 11:09:05 X-Fade: any video played with symbians video libs gets scaled to fullscreen on the tvout Aug 07 11:09:30 glass: Yeah, but those are upscaled right? Not original resolution. Aug 07 11:09:37 makes presenting some apps from the tvout impossible Aug 07 11:09:45 so it's like 320x240 upscaled to NTSC? Aug 07 11:09:58 glass: I thought only the gallery application used full resolution. Aug 07 11:09:59 X-Fade: it can play 640x480 video too Aug 07 11:10:12 is the output res actually different to the LCD res? Aug 07 11:10:24 X-Fade: nope it happens if you use the video decoding/playing libraries from any app Aug 07 11:10:45 lardman: as far as I understand, tv encoder is set up separately from lcd encoder Aug 07 11:10:50 X-Fade: thres no direct api for controlling the tvout as a second screen though Aug 07 11:11:06 public one anyways Aug 07 11:11:44 zap: I was just wondering where the data comes from then, it would require two framebuffers if the TV out displays different res data to the LCD (assuming it's not simply scaled) Aug 07 11:12:21 yes Aug 07 11:12:41 we can use SRAM as the tv framebuffer, and ignore the lcd controller Aug 07 11:13:14 no, is that what actually happens? Aug 07 11:13:24 happens where? Aug 07 11:13:30 on the N95 Aug 07 11:13:40 no idea, but why we should look at n95? Aug 07 11:13:49 because I want to understand how the system works Aug 07 11:13:52 I think omap can use both SDRAM and SRAM as a framebuffer Aug 07 11:13:56 yes Aug 07 11:13:59 you just set up the address of it Aug 07 11:14:08 again, yes Aug 07 11:14:17 and define the parameters of the framebuffer Aug 07 11:14:24 separately for lcd and tv Aug 07 11:14:28 whats' unclear here? Aug 07 11:14:58 the question of why the N95 maintains two framebuffers with identical contents other than their resolution for one Aug 07 11:15:06 assuming that is true Aug 07 11:15:12 because the lcd framebuffer is 320x240? Aug 07 11:16:33 unless the Symbian libs specifically write to a different framebuffer for photos, videos, etc. Aug 07 11:16:53 lardman: thats why it has a separate framebuffer for tv, if it's true Aug 07 11:17:19 otherwise it just seems like a bit of a waste to have to effectively use a 640x480 framebuffer and have to downscale everything so it can go on the LCD too Aug 07 11:18:03 lardman: they can do that Aug 07 11:18:10 as far as I understand, the OMAP's lcd encoder can't take a 640x480 image and downscale it to 320x240 Aug 07 11:18:10 lardman: specifically write to the tvout Aug 07 11:18:15 like epson chip can Aug 07 11:18:32 anyway, it doesn't matter Aug 07 11:18:40 that's my point Aug 07 11:18:48 I've probably not exaplained why I want to know well enough Aug 07 11:25:05 interesting /* 2048 x 2048 is max res supported by OMAP24xx display controller */ Aug 07 11:25:37 ?! Aug 07 11:25:41 lardman: time to make dvi output? Aug 07 11:25:54 no idea Aug 07 11:25:59 in display.h Aug 07 11:27:48 what's the difference between GFX, video1 and video2 layers? Aug 07 11:28:00 they appear to just be 3 framebuffers, why the different names? Aug 07 11:28:21 moo, all Aug 07 11:28:36 lardman: got to hacking OMAP2? =) Aug 07 11:28:38 probably primary usage - normal desktop, gfx overlay1and2 Aug 07 11:28:49 video* layers are most likely YUVs Aug 07 11:28:54 RST38h: looking at it Aug 07 11:28:54 video^ Aug 07 11:29:08 ah yes, different colorspaces that may well be it Aug 07 11:30:29 as far as I understand the Epson chip was added because OMAP doesn't support more than 640x480 Aug 07 11:30:47 maybe 2048x2048 is max resolution that fits in some register Aug 07 11:30:51 but doesn't really work Aug 07 11:31:01 zap: that was my understanding too Aug 07 11:35:50 there's not enough display bandwidth to use the video1 and video2 layers to show full-screen yuv Aug 07 11:35:59 it will shear Aug 07 11:36:25 the Xomap code does mystic shit and configures the epson chip to do its own overlay, and then writes areas of YUV data into the GFX layer Aug 07 11:36:30 it's all very exciting Aug 07 11:36:31 :) Aug 07 11:36:44 :) Aug 07 11:37:17 lardman: pxa27x has 3 framebuffers too Aug 07 11:37:32 ok Aug 07 11:37:35 lardman: one can be used to display hardware cursor Aug 07 11:39:46 Robot101, yuv mode seems to work quite nicely for me at 800*480 :) Aug 07 11:40:10 until you clip it, because the epson chip can't do a colourkey'd overlay, only a rectangle Aug 07 11:40:25 ok, so we will need to enable the display controller Aug 07 11:40:27 if you're playing a full screen video and pop up a menu, it will skip two frames I think, and then play more slowly Aug 07 11:41:03 thats because the menu is in the same overlay Aug 07 11:41:23 uh... no Aug 07 11:41:24 and also, when playing movies usually the dsp is active and it slows the cpu down Aug 07 11:41:55 what, by blocking on IO on the DSP gateway? Aug 07 11:42:06 menus intefere with the xv overlay - the same occurs with the silly notification message thing Aug 07 11:42:18 no, the cpu itself clocks down Aug 07 11:42:22 yes, but I just explained the mechanism of interfering Aug 07 11:42:52 it's because when it's doing a full screen overlay, the X server writes YUV data into what's meant to be the OMAP's RGB layer, then gets the epson chip to decode it directly onto the LCD Aug 07 11:42:53 lardman: I guess omapfb driver does that when loaded Aug 07 11:42:59 but that has to be a rectangular area Aug 07 11:43:20 if you pop an menu up, and the overlay area becomes clipped (ie not a rectangle), it has to move the overlay back onto one of the OMAP's two video layers Aug 07 11:43:25 zap: not sure what happens on the tablets yet Aug 07 11:43:44 which are slower, because the decoding is done on the OMAP and RGB data (ie, more per frame) is sent down the display bus Aug 07 11:43:48 lardman: well, somewhere there must be the code to enable it. And my guess it's in the framebuffer driver Aug 07 11:44:09 oh, I've got the code, I'm just wondering what needs to be done Aug 07 11:44:26 I had hoped the TV encoder stuff would be seperate and could be enabled on its own Aug 07 11:44:27 robot, which overlay gets moved? the one my app is writing to or the menu iteself? Aug 07 11:44:32 have you tried to build the .ko and modprobe it? Aug 07 11:44:56 no, I can't see it working that easily Aug 07 11:45:06 heh Aug 07 11:45:07 lcuk: the video is the overlay, it gets moved between the OMAP decoding it when it's clipped, and the epson chip decoding it when it's not clipped Aug 07 11:45:22 well the omapfb driver could get some data through the platform_data structure Aug 07 11:45:28 some hw-specific stuff Aug 07 11:45:48 Robot101, but the memory locatin i write to does not change in my software.. Aug 07 11:46:13 lcuk: yeah, X has to copy it Aug 07 11:46:23 the omap2 lcd driver itself isnt doing much on this device because we evolved from the 770 model with external fb Aug 07 11:46:54 does the omap lcd controller do anything at all on these devices? Aug 07 11:47:02 but that's still faster than doing the YUV unpacking on the OMAP and trying to send the full-screen RGB video through the display bus to the hailstorm Aug 07 11:47:03 i dont think so Aug 07 11:47:11 I guess there are devices where it's doing something :) Aug 07 11:47:15 i think when the 800 came out they tried to use the sram as a buffer Aug 07 11:47:23 er, yes, it does... Aug 07 11:47:25 word Aug 07 11:47:29 by the way, you may want to take a look at latest MontaVista kernel Aug 07 11:47:36 it could contain a improved omapfb driver Aug 07 11:48:00 it's still Xomap, it just uses the hailstorm chip for some extra misc (and displaying on a larger screen) Aug 07 11:48:03 lcuk: I don't see how you can use SRAM as a buffer for a 800x480 picture Aug 07 11:48:19 * zap wonders how Xomap does refresh through the Epson chip Aug 07 11:48:24 zap, nor do i "...they tried.." Aug 07 11:48:34 I don't even see how you can try :) Aug 07 11:48:40 the framebuffer's not mapped into main memory, every screen update has to be pushed from the omap to the hailstorm Aug 07 11:48:51 fanoush was saying something about a complex bit of code which mapped one plane onto the SRAM Aug 07 11:48:58 its just simple arithmetic: 800*480*2=768k Aug 07 11:48:59 I don't know where the hailstorm maintains its framebuffer though Aug 07 11:49:04 but in chinook and diablo its been simplified again and all planes are in SDRAM Aug 07 11:49:16 what is hailstorm? Aug 07 11:49:31 the epson chip Aug 07 11:49:34 Robot101, mapped from main memory to the lcd controller, the omap2 internal lcd controller is not included in this Aug 07 11:49:35 ah ok Aug 07 11:50:04 the epson chip has a internal memory buffer Aug 07 11:50:09 768k iirc Aug 07 11:50:17 e.g. just enough for 800x480x2 and not more :) Aug 07 11:50:27 lcuk: oh right, the lcd controller on the omap itself is not involved Aug 07 11:50:42 but what about the display controller, is that powered up? Aug 07 11:50:55 of course not Aug 07 11:51:00 shame Aug 07 11:51:02 it would eat the battery Aug 07 11:51:08 you enable it if you need it Aug 07 11:51:09 dispc? yes, that's used. Aug 07 11:51:13 unless it does something useful Aug 07 11:51:21 SoCs usually have means to disable every sub-chip Aug 07 11:51:25 Robot101: even on the Nokia devices? Aug 07 11:51:28 yes Aug 07 11:51:32 what does it do? Aug 07 11:51:47 overlays, acceleration, the usual display controller stuff Aug 07 11:51:55 on the Nokia devices? Aug 07 11:51:57 yes Aug 07 11:52:01 N810 is a Nokia device? Aug 07 11:52:09 ok, that's useful then Aug 07 11:52:19 Xomap <-- OMAP. O M A P display controller. it's not Xepson or Xhailstorm or Xblizzard, it's Xomap. :D Aug 07 11:52:31 Thats why I wonder about the refresh Aug 07 11:52:35 naming means little though ;) Aug 07 11:52:42 but Xomap also has some nokia specific hacks in it to do some extra stuff with the epson chip :) Aug 07 11:52:49 thats it Aug 07 11:52:55 fine, that makes life easier then Aug 07 11:53:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha6F2L5ePQ8 Ween - Baby Bitch [song] Aug 07 11:53:39 like migrate full-screen overlays to it to decode, and sync vblanks and stuff Aug 07 11:54:06 it's quite an effort in squeezing the most out of the hardware, I think. but daniel stone could tell you more about that :) Aug 07 11:54:12 i thought Xomap was graphics map? Aug 07 11:54:17 I'd assumed that the Epson contained both a video and lcd controller - they are afterall combined on the omap Aug 07 11:54:19 not omap as in our processor :) Aug 07 11:54:50 no Aug 07 11:54:50 no, it's omap as in the chip from TI with a display controller which that X server controls :) Aug 07 11:54:53 lardman, the older discrete components used to do one job, the omap24xx just puts everything on one Aug 07 11:55:07 well how does it work with our epson? Aug 07 11:55:28 I have to look at the Nokia kernel code now I have an idea of how the TV out works Aug 07 11:55:33 ie we tell the epson to rotate using xomap Aug 07 11:55:37 epson is absolutely unrelated to the omap, it just can receive framebuffer data over the bus and thats all Aug 07 11:55:48 lcuk: it has extra N8x0-specific hacks in it, as I said Aug 07 11:56:02 yes zap - agreed, im confused about Robot101s assertion that its specifically to do with omap Aug 07 11:56:22 it's kind of like the SiS USB TV-out thingy Aug 07 11:56:30 just faster :) Aug 07 11:56:33 it's entirely to do with omap. it also had code added to know how to use the epson to do the lcd control Aug 07 11:56:51 it's still using the omap for almost every drawing operation and stuff Aug 07 11:57:14 * lardman heads off for lunch Aug 07 11:59:49 What drawing operations can omap perform? Aug 07 12:00:03 I was assuming it's IVA involved with drawing, and thats not used Aug 07 12:00:18 and neither the powervr accelerator Aug 07 12:01:00 all ops so far as cpu bound :( Aug 07 12:01:56 hm Aug 07 12:02:01 i wonder how pb got qt to install Aug 07 12:02:07 er.. not install. build actually Aug 07 12:02:07 zap: actually I think they're mostly useless to X because the accelerated operations take longer to set up and do than just doing them in software, so as lcuk says I think most stuff is just done by the CPU Aug 07 12:02:18 zap: the theory is nice, but OMAP2's aren't /that/ good Aug 07 12:02:25 i've been trying to build it in scratchbox and it doesn't seem too friendly :) Aug 07 12:02:26 Mace`: qt4.garage.maemo.org Aug 07 12:02:44 x-fade - those are the bins.. but someone had to build it from src somewhere Aug 07 12:02:44 their YUV colourspace implementation is broken too, the X server has to swizzle the bits as it writes to the overlay layers. it's all kinds of funny. Aug 07 12:03:04 Mace`: who's pb? Aug 07 12:03:05 Mace`: I do that at the moment on that autobuilder ;) Aug 07 12:03:22 i was trying to build it in scratchbox Aug 07 12:03:28 *the autobuilder Aug 07 12:03:52 hm... it didn't work.. kept giving me qmake errors Aug 07 12:03:54 :) Aug 07 12:04:08 i always though building qt would build qmake during the configure Aug 07 12:04:20 It does. Aug 07 12:04:27 qt.garage.maemo.org doesn't seem to be up Aug 07 12:04:44 then why isn't it working .. hm... let me try again and see what i can figure out Aug 07 12:04:49 Mace`: Try these sources. I'm building those at the moment. Aug 07 12:04:52 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/sources/ Aug 07 12:04:53 maybe it's a problem with the latest src :) Aug 07 12:04:56 Robot101, the twizzling you mention is just the interleaved format the lcd expects. the iva could quite easily convert rgb to this yuv format (or yuv->yuv) Aug 07 12:05:13 yeah, the iva would've been nice. Aug 07 12:05:28 i am trying to build just a base kde Aug 07 12:05:33 but istr daniel saying the pixel format wasn't even the one it said in the spec :) Aug 07 12:05:36 you are right about lead time for small operations, however for full frame conversions and strechblits it will be invaluable Aug 07 12:05:41 and split all the programs up Aug 07 12:05:54 into seperate debs that i can host on a repository Aug 07 12:06:05 then just work to the planar yuv that xv uses and forget the odd conversion - leave it as it stands Aug 07 12:06:05 lcuk: I think this was the dispc's "acceleration" being sucky, I'm sure the IVA would help if they could've used it Aug 07 12:06:08 instead of it being a huge tarball with a lot of apps that are well.. duplicated Aug 07 12:06:39 and for the love of god.. put something in it other than konqueror Aug 07 12:06:48 it's an ok file browser.. but its web capabilities suck :) Aug 07 12:07:33 Robot101, you sound very negative about utilising it. either you know something we dont (as in EOL) or you are just too negative for your own good :D Aug 07 12:09:42 you have to love 108M of source :) Aug 07 12:10:06 Mace`, especially for a 51kb binary Aug 07 12:10:16 haha Aug 07 12:10:34 how do I use the agps utility? am i suppose to do anything after starting it? i have an active network connection, and also run the map program .. Aug 07 12:10:43 it'd be awesome if i could get this to work Aug 07 12:10:49 and make a kde repository :) Aug 07 12:11:31 Blastur: point somewhere where you life Aug 07 12:11:38 i wish debian was a little more functional Aug 07 12:12:01 once they get the bt tethering and sound working without a hitch it's an obvious replacement for maemo altogether Aug 07 12:12:06 Mace`: debian or debian/nit? Aug 07 12:12:14 sorry... nit-debian Aug 07 12:12:22 Mace`: now better Aug 07 12:12:30 ? Aug 07 12:12:33 I use debian since 2000 or even 1999 Aug 07 12:12:46 hrw: can i zoom the map in agps util somehow? i put the crosshair as good as i could, but its not exactly high precision .. should this improve Time to fix? still getting 0 satellites Aug 07 12:12:49 maybe they should call it tebian Aug 07 12:13:04 im just not sure if the agps program is actually doing anything Aug 07 12:13:05 :) Aug 07 12:13:12 Blastur: it gives ~300km precision which shoud be enough Aug 07 12:13:23 Blastur: but how it improve... thats not mine problem Aug 07 12:13:24 19% [======> ] 20,742,144 22.84K/s ETA 16:06 Aug 07 12:13:31 wow that's slow Aug 07 12:14:11 * zap seen yesterday debian' gzip source package to depend on mingw32.tar to build (~26Mb download) Aug 07 12:14:14 blastur, if you have no sats showing that means you are not on earth Aug 07 12:14:18 try again when you return Aug 07 12:14:34 or when he returns from hell Aug 07 12:14:38 lcuk: huh? i can assure you im on earth :) Aug 07 12:14:48 (or go outside and hold aloft your mighty n810 Aug 07 12:14:53 did they actually do major changes to the source on garage.maemo in this builder dir? Aug 07 12:14:55 * zap wonders if GPS works in the hell Aug 07 12:15:05 or did they just grab the src that compiles without problems? :) Aug 07 12:15:05 lcuk: well, for reasons I'm not entirely sure of, Nokia weren't able to use it on the N8x0s Aug 07 12:15:10 zap, only if they have a repeater Aug 07 12:15:18 lcuk: most likely to do with software licensing Aug 07 12:15:35 Robot101, most likely due to not using any of the underlying video aspects at full res Aug 07 12:15:40 lcuk: I don't know whether the IVA's any good or not, it probably would've been very useful, were they able to use it :) Aug 07 12:15:45 and not worth redeveloping it all themselves to work with the epson Aug 07 12:15:48 Robot101: all computer pirates will go to hell, everybody knows that. So they have no probs with licenses Aug 07 12:16:33 I think the IVA part of the OMAP isn't from TI, so there's all sorts of driver/spec IPR cross-licensing nightmares, and then you mix in linux and it was more than maemo could solve Aug 07 12:16:49 but anyway, time for me to get going Aug 07 12:16:52 the iva is just another arm chip - just like the dsp Aug 07 12:16:53 cya Aug 07 12:16:58 Mace`: qt4 on garage has some "major" changes when compiled with -hildon Aug 07 12:17:00 byeeeeeeeeeeee Aug 07 12:17:17 jott - i see.. was just wondering Aug 07 12:17:24 it could be "just another ARM chip" with a extended instruction set Aug 07 12:17:27 you have to actually set the flag? Aug 07 12:17:34 yer zap it does Aug 07 12:17:36 like ./configure -hildon Aug 07 12:17:36 or perhaps with a custom firmware? Aug 07 12:17:39 Mace`: vanilla qt4 just needs one change. Aug 07 12:17:52 Mace`: yes, look at debian/rules on what is done for the package. Aug 07 12:18:24 zap, its similar to the dsp (which is also an extended arm core) Aug 07 12:18:59 jott - i will ... just trying to build it at all right now.. i still have to figure out how to split all the pkgs up and still install properly Aug 07 12:19:01 all these extra arms and none of the can give us a helping hand :( Aug 07 12:19:14 btw Aug 07 12:19:16 i mean.... qt/kdebase/kdelibs should all go together Aug 07 12:19:23 but the rest could be added later Aug 07 12:19:49 in different debs on the repository Aug 07 12:19:49 Mace`: ?! it is a split build already, just use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Aug 07 12:19:58 is there anyway to reset the navigator program so i can do another 5 day trial period ? :P last time i activated, i was unable to get a fix so it was wasted completely.. now i get my new BT GPS tomorrow, so i hope i can get the map running finally Aug 07 12:20:01 ah you speaking of kde4? Aug 07 12:20:19 no.. kde 358 (penguinbait's) Aug 07 12:20:29 Mace`: kde 3 will not compile with qt4...... Aug 07 12:20:37 that's the pkg i used to install it.. it's a 1G install with a ton of programs Aug 07 12:20:38 doh! Aug 07 12:20:50 Mace`: just grab the debian or ubuntu kde3 and qt3 packages, they compile with minor changes. Aug 07 12:21:20 would kde4 even run on an n800? Aug 07 12:21:21 back later Aug 07 12:21:37 i know they kind of raped kwin and turned it into a vista type 3d interface (crap) :) Aug 07 12:21:39 Mace`: sure. not worse than kde3. Aug 07 12:21:56 Mace`: compositing stuff is optional. Aug 07 12:21:57 i wonder if it would build in scratchbox Aug 07 12:22:22 Mace`: not out of the box, there are some squriks with gcc 3.4.4 Aug 07 12:22:54 hm... my coding skills are not good at all.... i'll get both platforms and see how far i can get Aug 07 12:23:03 "squirks" ? :) Aug 07 12:23:15 Mace`: quirks :) Aug 07 12:23:43 hm Aug 07 12:24:01 well.. lets see what i can do and maybe i might be able to rape the kde code well enough to actually get it to do something Aug 07 12:24:14 once i get the base .... it should all be downhill Aug 07 12:24:40 Mace`: kde3 compiles just fine with the debian/ubuntu packages. Aug 07 12:24:46 i'll grab the kde3 stuff too just in case this proves to be very unsuccessful Aug 07 12:25:20 Mace`: just take the packages, get the dependencies you like/need and if you are at it push them to extras :) Aug 07 12:25:29 i don't understand what you mean by debian/ubuntu packages .... :) they have special debian src somewhere? Aug 07 12:25:40 yes... Aug 07 12:25:49 to make proper debs ... Aug 07 12:26:39 where can i find the pkgs? just debian.org? Aug 07 12:27:20 yes. i think the ubuntu packages should be a bit better. Aug 07 12:27:33 packages.ubuntu.com / packages.debian.org Aug 07 12:28:18 hello world Aug 07 12:29:14 zap: btw. have you fixed the bzip2 package? Aug 07 12:29:16 these are pkgs though jott... aren't they just bins for ubuntu? Aug 07 12:29:35 Mace`: no. there are also the source packages. Aug 07 12:30:08 does it matter which ver? Aug 07 12:30:37 huh? Aug 07 12:30:46 of ubuntu Aug 07 12:30:52 read the changelogs... Aug 07 12:31:07 hardy is "stable" so.... Aug 07 12:31:53 hi Aug 07 12:32:08 ok.. then i'll start with qt4/kde4 and see what i can do and see what happens Aug 07 12:32:27 I have a couple of questions related to status bar plugins Aug 07 12:33:16 does someone know that is it possible to "shut down" and start status bar plugins? If so, how could it be done? Aug 07 12:33:59 Mace`: i think for kde4 you should use interpid. normal kde4 in hardy is very old. Aug 07 12:34:32 Ah, gotta love the TSA's security theater. Aug 07 12:34:55 Maemo's status bar plugin tutorial only says that plugin's init function is automatically called when the library is opened. Aug 07 12:34:57 qt4 has qt3 compatibility Aug 07 12:35:06 so shouldn't i still be able to build kde3 with qt4? Aug 07 12:35:09 Mace`: no! Aug 07 12:35:29 Mace`: qt3 compatibility just provides some deprecated functions to ease porting qt3 -> qt4 Aug 07 12:36:27 herwood: untick/tick them in control panel -> panels. Aug 07 12:36:30 you know where i could read up on the configure options for building it for maemo? is there a site explaining things like this? Aug 07 12:36:59 things like what?! :O Aug 07 12:37:19 jott: thanks for the response. What about my own plugins? Aug 07 12:37:24 things like the proper prefix dir and whatever else you would have to do in order to build and install it into maemo Aug 07 12:37:39 herwood: if you done everything right they should appear in the list ;) Aug 07 12:38:29 Mace`: ah, well maemo packaging guideline, debian maintainer guideline and that stuff. there are tons of documentation out there ;) Aug 07 12:39:16 "maemo packaging policy" that is Aug 07 12:39:57 these are the guidelines for putting them on maemo extras :) Aug 07 12:40:23 jott: is there any way to start it from the code? I'm trying to build my plugin so that if its not running when some other program tries to call my program's DBus method, then DBus would start it. Aug 07 12:40:24 Mace`: right, that's where you eventually put your packages. Aug 07 12:40:46 i don't want to put them on maemo extras.. i'd rather keep them on my own repository Aug 07 12:41:19 Mace`: anyway, same rules should apply.... Aug 07 12:41:27 and i meant the actual building process for the src Aug 07 12:41:41 Mace`: yes debian offers extensive docs. Aug 07 12:41:57 for maemo? Aug 07 12:42:10 Mace`: yes 99% of it applies. Aug 07 12:42:53 but i was looking for something that was more specific to maemo on how to properly build and install from src Aug 07 12:43:06 herwood: hmmmm.. not sure how you can start/stop statusbar plugins via dbus. Aug 07 12:43:46 herwood: you could also "hide" it when it is not in use (like bluetooth) Aug 07 12:43:56 yeah, I was thinking that too Aug 07 12:44:32 but it should be sure that all status bar plugins are started when the device boots? Aug 07 12:44:39 Mace`: the debian docs should cover the basics. Aug 07 12:45:09 herwood: no, just if it is "ticked" in the control panel. Aug 07 12:45:31 herwood: if you install it, it should be active by default. Aug 07 12:45:57 jott: my only problem in this case is that what to write to my program's service-file Aug 07 12:46:09 herwood: and if a users does not want to have it running you should respect his choice (imho) Aug 07 12:46:24 jott: yeah, you got that right Aug 07 12:46:30 http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/0.9.8/installdoc.html Aug 07 12:46:39 :) that's a start i suppose heh Aug 07 12:46:43 let me start reading Aug 07 12:46:54 Mace`: you should really start with something smaller than kde :) Aug 07 12:47:47 sbrsh: No such file or directory Aug 07 12:47:56 see.. stuff like that :) Aug 07 12:48:11 jott - but kde is what i want to make... i figure i can learn how to use scratchbox along the way Aug 07 12:48:51 kde is an awesome alternative since it has cups support and i've printed from it... i would rather learn how to build the pkgs i want for myself than rely on someone else to build them and hope they work Aug 07 12:49:06 Mace`: understand the basics before you go for something big and complicated ;) Aug 07 12:49:09 it would seriously be like having a really small laptop Aug 07 12:49:10 heh.. Aug 07 12:49:33 ~curse maemo for forcing devels that the only way of building is via scratchbox Aug 07 12:49:34 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo for forcing devels that the only way of building is via scratchbox ! Aug 07 12:49:44 configure ; make ; make install isn't that complicated ;) ... the complicated part is figuring out how to use scratchbox Aug 07 12:50:13 erhm Aug 07 12:50:14 i really wish you could just build from the n800 itself... it may take longer but at least you would be building for the enviroment in the actual enviroment Aug 07 12:50:19 lcuk doesn't use scratchbox for dev Aug 07 12:50:30 he does everything on the device itself Aug 07 12:50:31 jott: yeah, I try to figure out that what's the best way of solving my problem. Thanks for your help Aug 07 12:50:54 and scratchbox really isn't hard to figure out... It's just an extra shell... Quite obvious, really Aug 07 12:51:53 well... it's hard to figure out if you've never used it before.. might take a couple days to get past the learning curve Aug 07 12:52:02 what learning curve ? Aug 07 12:52:02 Mace`: and you do not "configure && make && make install" to make packages.... Aug 07 12:52:04 Seriously ? Aug 07 12:52:23 crashanddie: if you are new to linux that should be right :) Aug 07 12:52:27 jott - packaging comes after the building Aug 07 12:52:44 type scratchbox in a terminal ? use gcc, g++, and whatever just as you would in a normal environment ? Aug 07 12:52:45 Mace`: ... Aug 07 12:53:10 Mace`, that's where you're wrong. The packaging (dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -B) actually builds it for you Aug 07 12:53:11 I think people try and figure out what scratchbox is doing Aug 07 12:53:15 it's just magic Aug 07 12:53:23 nothing to see Aug 07 12:53:24 it's not magic, it's easy as pie Aug 07 12:53:40 you are clearly sufficiently advanced Aug 07 12:53:55 people don't ask questions how vmware runs Windows inside Linux Aug 07 12:53:57 yummy pie. Aug 07 12:53:59 to understand how some commands are using cross-compile, some are quemu'ed Aug 07 12:54:08 crashanddie - haha Aug 07 12:54:09 so why do they ask questions about how scratchbox works for armel ? Aug 07 12:54:14 I know Aug 07 12:54:16 that's my Aug 07 12:54:18 point Aug 07 12:54:22 it's just magic Aug 07 12:54:29 ignore it and use it Aug 07 12:54:34 exactly Aug 07 12:54:34 hi florian Aug 07 12:54:51 just pretend it's a pc that is trying to build src? :) Aug 07 12:54:54 yes Aug 07 12:55:03 Mace`, that's exactly what it is Aug 07 12:55:09 s/trying// Aug 07 12:55:11 re Aug 07 12:55:28 it works (almost) flawlessly Aug 07 12:55:39 Mace`, Most of the code I've written for scratchbox, is code I took from x86 programs at first Aug 07 12:55:51 and the instructions are (almost) idiot proff Aug 07 12:55:58 * lbt blushes Aug 07 12:56:00 :-\ i can't code Aug 07 12:56:07 i feel like the kid in high school who still can't read Aug 07 12:56:14 that's cool Aug 07 12:56:24 you can read - so read the tutorial Aug 07 12:56:26 you don't have to code to help out Aug 07 12:56:29 it too is excellent :) Aug 07 12:56:34 that's what i'm reading now ;) Aug 07 12:56:36 (assuming you want to code) Aug 07 12:56:39 there's many ways you can help out Aug 07 12:56:46 coding is just one of those Aug 07 12:56:48 and ask q's by all means. Aug 07 12:57:36 well. let me start by figuring out how to get scratchbox to configure and build the src ;) bbl Aug 07 12:58:00 Mace`: also take a look at http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf Aug 07 12:58:06 what is your host OS Aug 07 12:58:21 it covers some basics. Aug 07 12:58:31 the 4.1 docs are better than the 4.0.1 docs Aug 07 12:58:55 i'm usng the vm from indt Aug 07 12:59:14 url? Aug 07 13:00:16 lbt - honest to god i don't even remember :) Aug 07 13:00:21 maemovmware.garage.yaddayadda :) Aug 07 13:01:23 As well as the PDF jott mentioned, look here: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ Aug 07 13:07:46 wtf Aug 07 13:08:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6gWMsC5DzY kick ass... primus playing live Aug 07 13:16:44 argh Aug 07 13:16:47 jott: X-Fade removed it from extras-devel Aug 07 13:17:30 * X-Fade lets out an evil laugh. Aug 07 13:21:12 ok... one last question.. once scratchbox is installed... is there anything i have to do that is special to get it to actually compile for an arm? i should just be able to start building stuff right away or do i have to do something in sb-menu and set certain things up? Aug 07 13:22:23 Mace`: when you followed the documentation you should have an DIABLO_ARMEL target in sbox. this should give you an virtual arm environment. Aug 07 13:22:55 zap: you can still make it proper (if not done already ;) Aug 07 13:23:00 well.. i actually have a CHINOOK_ARMEL enviroment.... so i'm guessing this vm is outdated Aug 07 13:23:39 i'll just set it up on my gentoo box Aug 07 13:25:02 Interesting. Looks like this same 2400mAh cell will work in the N800... Aug 07 13:25:14 but after it is set up and set up the target.. then it should be just like you would be building for an armel cpu right? Aug 07 13:26:46 More disassembly required, of course, since the backplane goes all the way through the N800. Aug 07 13:26:59 Mace`: yes. Aug 07 13:27:24 ok.. thanks ;) i'm going to work on this for a while and see what i can do Aug 07 13:32:58 jott: I will do it of course, but this evening. It wasn't my fault really, there are other package with the same problem Aug 07 13:33:22 hrw: I tried to install unzip via h.a.m and it worked absolutely without any problems Aug 07 13:33:35 hrw: maybe you had some other unzip installed? Aug 07 13:36:28 zap: which other packages (remember packages indirectly depending on s-m-i are ok)? they should be fixed too.. Aug 07 13:37:17 jott: tablet-browser-ui for example Aug 07 13:37:31 do a dpkg -S /usr/share/mime/packages/*.xml Aug 07 13:37:42 most packages you will see don't have a dependency on s-m-i Aug 07 13:37:53 zap: older ver Aug 07 13:38:04 hrw: ah ok, so I must install the older version first Aug 07 13:38:23 hrw: just uninstall it if you just need the task done Aug 07 13:38:30 zap: but most of them indirectly depend on it i suppose. Aug 07 13:38:57 zap: will solve that later Aug 07 13:39:39 (hence do not break when installing on a clean sbox install) Aug 07 13:39:45 jott: do a dpkg -r s-m-i and will see 4 packages Aug 07 13:40:10 zap: yes and trace it to libosso-gnomevfs2-0 Aug 07 13:40:50 it would probably be better to have it in the dependencies. that is right. Aug 07 13:41:08 but it should atleast install ;> Aug 07 13:41:37 jott: well they have an advantage: they are all installed by default so they don't really need dependencies :) Aug 07 13:42:00 hm... no vmware appliance for diablo it seems Aug 07 13:42:22 zap: yeah and they all depend on libosso-gnomevfs2-0 which is used by almost all base gui apps :) Aug 07 13:42:30 jott: but dpkg-autodep or how's that tool called won't pick s-m-i as a dependency, and it looks like deps in nokia packages are autogenerated Aug 07 13:42:40 yep Aug 07 13:43:17 if postinst uses it, it would be better to have it in the dependencies. Aug 07 13:43:26 yep Aug 07 13:43:45 I thought about it, but since it's always installed on any tablet I thought I can omit it Aug 07 13:44:05 eh evil you :P Aug 07 13:44:05 since Debian policy says you may omit deps on important packages Aug 07 13:44:14 (or how's that keyword called) Aug 07 13:44:23 Fundamental:yes Aug 07 13:44:24 "essential" afair Aug 07 13:44:27 yep Aug 07 13:44:51 Hi ! Aug 07 13:45:02 does the communication manager (sip and jabber) stores the password/accounts in cleartext? Aug 07 13:45:11 zap: You could discuss it on the -developers list ;) Maybe one of the Nokia guys responds. Aug 07 13:45:15 liri: yes Aug 07 13:45:18 zap: anyway, as it'll be fixed it's fine :) Aug 07 13:45:19 np http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cmK75iy3kw Model 500 (Juan Atkins) - The Flow (1995) - superb.... (song) Aug 07 13:45:35 jott: I'll have to fix all my packages :-P Aug 07 13:45:35 liri: as well as email and network passwords Aug 07 13:45:40 zap: arg :O Aug 07 13:45:55 no problem anyway since they aren't promoted to extras yet :) Aug 07 13:46:03 brontide: I see Aug 07 13:46:07 brontide: not so wise I guess... Aug 07 13:46:14 zap > hum .... many user use extras-devel Aug 07 13:46:15 zap: yeah, well and when you install them on the device all is fine anyway. Aug 07 13:46:21 and complain that don't work ... Aug 07 13:46:23 X-Fade: sometimes I just give up and do workarounds :) Aug 07 13:46:41 Khertan: the problem only exists with autobuilder or clean sbox installs. Aug 07 13:46:45 zap: Or you can try to fix things permanently ;) Aug 07 13:46:59 zap> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22586&highlight=mCalendar Aug 07 13:47:00 Khertan: those users should know they're asking for trouble Aug 07 13:47:11 Khertan: It can happen that -devel breaks. It is intended for experimentation. Aug 07 13:47:22 I wonder if pidgin also saves account information in clear text Aug 07 13:47:24 X-Fade > yes ... i know that Aug 07 13:47:24 liri: short of a large rewrite there is not a whole lot that can be done. If the system can programatically retreive credentals then someone who wanted to could as well. Aug 07 13:47:24 X-Fade: I will fix them, but unfortunately I'm not a 24h maemo developer :) Aug 07 13:47:38 zap: Don't worry :) Aug 07 13:47:42 * jott rewrites zaps timetable :P Aug 07 13:47:45 X-Fade > and i mainly use with some great user to test before deploying to extras Aug 07 13:48:17 * X-Fade is thinking of some kind of staging.... Aug 07 13:48:19 Khertan: I thought you have some new screenshots of a beautiful GUI tehre :) Aug 07 13:48:23 brontide: I hear you pal Aug 07 13:48:39 brontide: I'll see if I can think of a solution for it Aug 07 13:49:14 brontide: I noticed that the device also has a "lock device" option in the shutdown menu, since I got the device 2nd hand and I've no idea what the password is, can I change it without getting myself locked out? Aug 07 13:49:37 dunno Aug 07 13:50:08 zap > actual gui is a bit better ... but not yet :) Aug 07 13:50:24 Khertan: waiting for a killer GUI then :) Aug 07 13:50:29 X-Fade > some message like this one don't motive to answer : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22586&highlight=mCalendar Aug 07 13:50:57 whats the default locking code that comes with the device? Aug 07 13:51:40 Khertan: What's up with that? Aug 07 13:52:20 Khertan: vect0r is user with lack of knowledge Aug 07 13:52:20 maybe i don't understand it well ... Aug 07 13:52:32 I know him from Polish nit forum Aug 07 13:52:38 but i found that it s a bit .... direct Aug 07 13:54:21 Khertan: The big problem is language. Not being a native speaker and trying to express yourself can be hard. Aug 07 13:55:24 X-Fade > true :) Aug 07 13:55:31 not being a native speaker and trying to understand smb can be hard as well Aug 07 13:55:39 X-Fade > i 'm one of the best example :) Aug 07 13:55:56 Khertan: you're progressing well Aug 07 13:56:04 thx, i do my best :) Aug 07 13:56:07 Khertan: Now imagine 2 of you talking to each other.. Aug 07 13:56:11 :D Aug 07 13:56:11 :) Aug 07 13:56:26 or maybe that's just me learning Khertan'ish :) Aug 07 13:56:37 right, well I've looked at the Nokia kernel code, all very exciting Aug 07 13:56:49 lardman: Sure it is.. Aug 07 13:57:45 Looks like starting up the video bit in the omap shouldn't be too hard, but I wonder about how to feed it power and how to setup the audio codec to allow pass through Aug 07 13:57:55 assuming we'll need to do these, and assuming it will even work Aug 07 13:58:29 lardman: Maybe if you init it, the tv part signals the audio part? :) Aug 07 13:58:30 will have to see what the Ti code does with the TWL4030, what it powers up, then see how to do that with the Menelaus Aug 07 13:58:47 X-Fade: may well be, will have to do some testing Aug 07 13:59:30 lardman: uhu ;) Aug 07 14:01:47 what i found strange is that there is a tool to make theme easily for chinook and diablo ... Aug 07 14:02:12 but there is only a few third party theme ... Aug 07 14:02:21 I'm not sure how much of the display controller is actually turned on, if at all (in dispc.c iirc), will have to see whether any of the functions are called Aug 07 14:02:29 Khertan: Probably because the default theme is ok? Aug 07 14:02:34 on other device there is always many themes made by many users ... Aug 07 14:02:51 X-Fade > or only a community of dev, that are so bad with design :) Aug 07 14:03:00 Khertan: With older themes I always installed Tigert's theme. But with the new ones, I don't have to anymore.. Aug 07 14:03:13 X-Fade: is autobuilder using the extras-devel repository? Aug 07 14:03:24 zap > i think Aug 07 14:03:30 given that you had problems with bzip2, it should Aug 07 14:03:37 zap: Yes. Aug 07 14:03:46 zap: It uses the sdk and extras-devel Aug 07 14:06:06 X-Fade: I'm just thinking about a kernel-dev package, does it need to be promoted to extras? Aug 07 14:06:06 someone have see the mockup of the next version of omweather ? Aug 07 14:06:24 X-Fade: it would contain only kernel headers and makefiles, to help build kmod packages Aug 07 14:06:46 zap: It would only need to be in -devel, right? Aug 07 14:06:48 zap > needed if you want to promote you kmod package to extras :) Aug 07 14:07:11 Khertan: no, it would be needed only to build it Aug 07 14:07:20 zap: Or at least until it is tested :) Aug 07 14:07:31 well, the -dev package is needed only for the autobuilder Aug 07 14:07:39 (and in sb of course) Aug 07 14:07:51 there is only an autobuilder for -devel, so .. Aug 07 14:08:10 ok Aug 07 14:08:28 right now there are no autobuilt kernel drivers, right? Aug 07 14:08:30 zap > yes ... i was wrong Aug 07 14:08:43 zap: Only where they use a bad hack. Aug 07 14:08:52 which packages? Aug 07 14:08:54 zap: Like compiling the kernel during it.. Aug 07 14:08:59 hehehe\ Aug 07 14:09:07 zap: Check the fuse one.. Aug 07 14:09:13 oh :\ Aug 07 14:09:28 zap: They didn't have time to do it the proper way, I guess. Aug 07 14:10:00 It would be better if nokia would provide a kernel-dev package Aug 07 14:10:17 zap: I think we need to start with that first. Aug 07 14:10:28 with our own? Aug 07 14:10:43 It is easier to convince the right people if we already have a working solution. Aug 07 14:10:49 ok :) Aug 07 14:11:02 And I guess the kernel patches project would like it too ;) Aug 07 14:11:16 but the modules will be put in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ Aug 07 14:11:27 forget the insane /mnt/initfs thing :) Aug 07 14:11:33 Sure.. Aug 07 14:17:37 lardman: still convinced that tv out is possible? :) Aug 07 14:17:59 jott: I may as well give it a go Aug 07 14:18:11 lardman > you ve already something ? Aug 07 14:18:29 by using a usb<->vga with driver ? Aug 07 14:18:37 not sure how I'll recognise whether I've messed up the settings/not powered something up vs. the wire is disconnected mind you :) Aug 07 14:19:25 i was near to made a video output on my palm tx by changing some setting of the pxa to route data on the audio jack :) Aug 07 14:19:41 by i ve never been able to block the audio filter ... Aug 07 14:20:13 cotton wool Aug 07 14:20:24 s/by/but Aug 07 14:21:16 yeah, that's the plan, route the data out of the 3.5mm jack Aug 07 14:21:24 hehe just comparing n95 and n810 and seeing that the pin 3 is just connected to the mic on the n810 and to a mic/vid switch on n95 :) Aug 07 14:21:59 yeah, that may be an issue ;) Aug 07 14:21:59 so the TLV320AIC33 have to become magically a video converter :P Aug 07 14:22:36 jott: Well the diagram may be wrong, or X-Fade may be Aug 07 14:23:02 just solder the extra wire there Aug 07 14:23:03 lardman: Don't you put this on me ;) Aug 07 14:23:12 X-Fade: you started all this :P Aug 07 14:23:29 apt-get install little_wire_bridge_fromx2324_to_3434-dev Aug 07 14:23:33 yeah, you did suggest it; I'm easily suggestable Aug 07 14:24:21 lardman, did you know your wallet is not used enough. theres a way to make full use of it y.... Aug 07 14:24:32 yeah, Holly does that one ;) Aug 07 14:24:40 lol Aug 07 14:24:43 but i really can image the schematics are wrong, imagine all the level 3 service people wondering about the extra lines :P Aug 07 14:24:45 women the world over Aug 07 14:24:52 can't Aug 07 14:25:16 "arrrrr this line is wrong! i cut it! :)" Aug 07 14:25:17 jott: we are just going from that comment on the N95 docs, could the data be routed some other way perhaps? Aug 07 14:25:20 i have a hard time imagining that these devices get to level 3.. Aug 07 14:25:32 lardman: no. from pin 3 backwards :) Aug 07 14:25:36 jott: I really don't think they will ever attempt to fix a board if it is broken. Just throwing it in the bin is cheaper. Aug 07 14:25:43 but jott is right, if the docs say no, its highly likely they are right Aug 07 14:26:05 (of the audioplug) Aug 07 14:26:28 Well, I'm not scared to solder a wire bridge ;) Aug 07 14:26:41 X-Fade, i used to work in a coin mech company - and even though the boards were cooked and were all SMT we still had an assembly repair and test line - primarily to find out why the machine was spewing out bad mechs Aug 07 14:26:43 hah first n810 hardware mod :) Aug 07 14:27:11 * lcuk learnt how to remove SMT chips with a hotair dryer and a lot of wick Aug 07 14:27:56 and with a lot of lcuk Aug 07 14:28:15 :D well i did used to eat more pies Aug 07 14:28:21 now theres not so much lcuk Aug 07 14:28:25 more peas? Aug 07 14:29:12 hey lardman, i just had to impliment ean13 printing into our software. the boss looked at me all strange when he came asking and i was profient in the format and had an encoder to hand Aug 07 14:29:24 lol Aug 07 14:29:34 * lcuk is never proficient at spelling though :( Aug 07 14:29:46 ill test it with yours later :P Aug 07 14:29:51 I hope you said you looked at the docs for 5min and wrote the code straight off ;) Aug 07 14:30:40 lol Aug 07 14:31:26 not wrote, TYPED IN THE CODE straight off! Aug 07 14:32:11 in machine code! Aug 07 14:32:33 with only the toes! Aug 07 14:32:39 Any got firefox for qt4 sources? Aug 07 14:32:39 while eating pie. Aug 07 14:33:01 Anunakin: the are linked in the blog afair. Aug 07 14:33:04 I cant open this link http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ Aug 07 14:33:43 Anunakin: it's a garage page. be patient! :) Aug 07 14:33:51 um.... it used to work. garage is probably /.'d Aug 07 14:34:08 Anunakin: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/index.cgi/mozilla-qt Aug 07 14:34:14 romaxa was foolish enough to include a binary tarball on the site Aug 07 14:34:36 i suspect everyone's trying to download it and killing the server.. i considered slapping him when i saw the link Aug 07 14:34:45 * timeless leans over and slaps romaxa Aug 07 14:34:49 Go for the kill Aug 07 14:35:02 jott: Thanks !! Aug 07 14:35:09 * RST38h is regenerating test data for 900+ tests Aug 07 14:35:47 what is ape? Aug 07 14:36:37 monkey audio codec? Aug 07 14:38:17 hmm, jott, have you looked at the N800 schematics? Aug 07 14:44:29 lardman: mh not specifically Aug 07 14:44:47 just wondering if those lines might be connected on an n800 Aug 07 14:46:16 if only it was not that blurry :P Aug 07 14:46:39 It's blurry is it>? Aug 07 14:47:51 i wonder if there are vector based ones leaked :) Aug 07 14:48:07 need to ask Qwerty :) Aug 07 14:48:23 not here atm :/ Aug 07 14:49:09 man i feel like drunk looking at this pixelblurrytext :) Aug 07 14:49:43 need some CSI-style sharpen filters ;) Aug 07 14:49:46 ok, sorry.... i've updated the link Aug 07 14:49:51 haha :) Aug 07 14:49:55 hopefully eventually the server will come back Aug 07 14:50:06 romaxa says that browser.garage usually dies when we post something Aug 07 14:50:29 or maybe a couple of pint will improve the brain sharpen filter :> Aug 07 14:50:56 qwerty12: do you know if there are vector based (i.e. readable) n800 schematics leaked? :> Aug 07 14:51:31 jott, no :(. I looked to no avail Aug 07 14:52:16 Although if anyone is good with graphic files, I saved the N800 schematics in tiff if anyone wants to sharpen them up Aug 07 14:52:39 qwerty12: i think its pretty useless with the omap chart :) Aug 07 14:53:07 lardman had the idea of csi like filters :) Aug 07 14:53:13 Yeah :(. Any suspicions that it is leaked? if so, I'll start searching :) Aug 07 14:53:29 or you could try waving your fingers in front of your face :) Aug 07 14:53:51 or drink a couple of beer :) Aug 07 14:54:42 Alas, I can't. cigarettes don't give the same feeling do they? (gotta love british law, I can smoke legally, just can't buy it) Aug 07 14:55:43 well the lcd controller TV stuff is all grounded at least Aug 07 14:56:19 * qwerty12 reads logs Aug 07 14:56:20 yuck, I see what you mean about the omap Aug 07 14:58:06 * jott is out to grab some food Aug 07 14:59:31 Anyone know of any apps that relate to Ham Radio? Aug 07 14:59:39 http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia Quim replied again Aug 07 14:59:49 qwerty12: don't start smoking Aug 07 14:59:57 qwerty12: trust me, im trying to quit Aug 07 15:00:44 trickie|work, yeah, I'm just playing, never smoked and never plan to :) (although i've had benson and hedges large in my hands)... Aug 07 15:01:42 qwerty12: good :) Aug 07 15:02:00 :) Aug 07 15:02:02 lol Aug 07 15:02:12 I always find it funny when people say "don't start, I'm trying to quit" Aug 07 15:02:41 crashanddie: so did i until it was me Aug 07 15:02:52 but i guess everyone says that Aug 07 15:03:23 that's like saying "dude, you know, smoking really is awesome, it's so good, and so great, I just can't stop, no matter how hard I try. But yeah, it sucks, don't start" Aug 07 15:03:25 jott doesn't by any chance run a translation service? :P Aug 07 15:03:36 * qwerty12 is on a German site Aug 07 15:03:43 google translate it is Aug 07 15:03:47 i really wish someone has physically and violently stopped me from starting though... instead of just saying 'one day you will knwo what i mean...' Aug 07 15:03:48 qwerty12, link ? Aug 07 15:03:59 trickie|work, that's stupid Aug 07 15:04:02 crashanddie, http://nokiaport.de/ Aug 07 15:04:18 trickie|work, if someone "physically and violently" prevented you from smoking, you would've started anyway Aug 07 15:04:44 qwerty12, what do you want to know ? Aug 07 15:05:13 crashanddie: maybe maybe... but if they went to the trouble of punching me, then i might have thought there was more passion in their motivation for stopping me :) Aug 07 15:05:18 crashanddie, just sentences as I see them :). I see some schematics was leaked from that site so I'm looking there Aug 07 15:05:28 crashanddie: but yes, everyone has to learn themslevwes Aug 07 15:05:32 the hard way Aug 07 15:06:00 trickie, you don't have the passion to quit, what makes you think anyone believes you when you say you have the passion to prevent someone starting Aug 07 15:06:11 trickie|work, "do what I say, not what I do", right ? Aug 07 15:06:24 crashanddie: absolutely :) Aug 07 15:07:14 I say, fuck it, I smoke, I don't see why I would prevent anyone from doing it. I love it, I'm happy smoking, ignorance is bliss. Aug 07 15:08:01 crashanddie: for sure, each to their own, enjoy :) Aug 07 15:08:59 can't get a beer and have a smoke at any places anymore though Aug 07 15:09:04 a damn shame Aug 07 15:09:09 true that Aug 07 15:09:46 one of the most popular bars in Montpellier (french town) is on the edge of closing, because the smoke-ban is really killing them off Aug 07 15:10:26 they need to start a 'church of smokers' Aug 07 15:10:34 like they did in holland Aug 07 15:10:45 because people aren't allowed to smoke inside, they take their drink, and go outside... So the neighbours call it in because of the disturbance, and they have to close every night at 10 or 11 Aug 07 15:10:47 lardman, no idea if this helps a slight bit, http://www.nokia-tuning.net/index.php?s=pinout_n95av Aug 07 15:10:48 get around the ban for religous reasons Aug 07 15:14:35 qwerty12: thanks, I've got that Aug 07 15:14:43 could anyone slexy dpkg -l *gstreamer* on their NIT ? Aug 07 15:14:52 lardman, Oh, sorry Aug 07 15:15:23 np, thanks for trying Aug 07 15:15:55 From what I understand, do you need omap2420 schematics or something else? Aug 07 15:16:49 n800 schematics Aug 07 15:17:01 re Aug 07 15:17:10 Oh, ones that don't fcuk up at high zoom? Aug 07 15:17:18 on page one of those schematics, the microphone is not directly connected to the headphone jack, there's a sort of switchy thing in between. Anyone know what that is? Aug 07 15:17:21 qwerty12: yeah Aug 07 15:17:36 an audio filter ? Aug 07 15:18:03 which schematics? Aug 07 15:18:08 n800 Aug 07 15:18:20 link ? Aug 07 15:18:22 lcuk, if you need any, let me know Aug 07 15:18:26 I've got a collection Aug 07 15:18:39 lol - why doesnt that surprise me :P Aug 07 15:18:47 n800 is outdated lardman ... check possibility with n810 :) Aug 07 15:18:51 lcuk, I was the one who found the N810 ones first :P# Aug 07 15:18:59 lcuk, because he's a northerner living is East London ? Aug 07 15:19:14 Well, probably not first but I publicised them here :P Aug 07 15:19:19 Khertan_n810: the n810 appears to not have them connected Aug 07 15:19:27 lardman, link ? Aug 07 15:19:34 ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Aug 07 15:19:37 crashanddie: you'll have to talk to qwerty12 Aug 07 15:19:39 could anyone slexy "dpkg -l *gstreamer*" on their NIT ? Aug 07 15:19:45 lardman, tried looking in the level 1&2 service manual for n800? Aug 07 15:20:05 qwerty12, hook me up please (is the first one free?) Aug 07 15:21:22 lcuk, all of his stuff is free if you promise to keep him posted during the summit Aug 07 15:21:29 qwerty12, can you link me, too ? Aug 07 15:22:18 with what im planning im hoping morepeople can be "at" the summit Aug 07 15:22:51 lcuk > hum ... and what are u planning ? Aug 07 15:22:56 lcuk, you're right, get back to work Aug 07 15:23:00 :) khertan Aug 07 15:23:13 Khertan_n810, va falloir attendre un poil avant de le découvrir :) Aug 07 15:23:31 hum ... i don t like waiting ... Aug 07 15:23:31 well khertan, it involves n8x0s cameras irc channels and servers amongst other things Aug 07 15:23:51 * lcuk hopes he pulls it off Aug 07 15:24:09 hum can t found any link between camera and irc ... Aug 07 15:24:10 failing that theres always normal single user mode :) Aug 07 15:24:30 lcuk: sounds great :) Aug 07 15:25:44 * lcuk is having the most peaceful week at real work this week. ive not been this productive in a while - cow orker is off all week \o/ Aug 07 15:26:19 lucky you are Aug 07 15:26:59 i get the most perturbing week in the year as i m the only one from the dev team Aug 07 15:29:23 has anyone got a USB TV tuner working btw? Aug 07 15:29:36 lardman, someone got a dvb-h tuner working Aug 07 15:29:56 that's mobile TV? Aug 07 15:31:05 I think so, let me drag up the link Aug 07 15:31:26 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17704 Aug 07 15:31:36 Guy's documented his stuff quite well in my opinion Aug 07 15:32:16 lardman, switzerland or amsterdam ? Aug 07 15:32:34 amsterdam Aug 07 15:32:47 lardman, what was your question again ? On page one ? Aug 07 15:33:10 yeah, page one find the microphone and go left Aug 07 15:33:44 there's a block between the microphone and HOOKDET lines Aug 07 15:34:37 hello Aug 07 15:34:47 lardman, I found audio, but not mic Aug 07 15:35:02 bye Aug 07 15:35:15 is there anyway to easily disable the sidebar panel and title bars(WM fix i know)? Aug 07 15:35:17 bye hrw|gone Aug 07 15:35:27 crashanddie: rhs half way down Aug 07 15:36:01 qwerty12: was that the n800 schematics you uploaded there,...? I don't think so Aug 07 15:36:14 lardman, please, pm me instead Aug 07 15:36:48 qwerty12, lol... You told me to open Amsterdam... But Amsterdam has GPS :P Aug 07 15:36:55 crashanddie: have another look in a minute, you need the n800 ones not the n810 ones Aug 07 15:37:05 crashanddie, oh, my bad Aug 07 15:38:48 qwerty12: ah, DVB-T is too heavy decoding-wise Aug 07 15:39:52 lardman, DVB is only mpeg2, surely the NIT could manage that, no ? Aug 07 15:40:14 no idea, just going from the comments in the thready qwerty linked to Aug 07 15:40:14 it can barely drive its own screen Aug 07 15:40:19 crashanddie: With massive bandwith.. Aug 07 15:40:25 imgine decoding a movie to play and then reencoding it Aug 07 15:40:32 *bandwidth. Aug 07 15:41:02 Anyone tried a usb video card? Aug 07 15:41:25 At 720x576, that is alot.. Aug 07 15:42:30 hum ... vnc ? :) Aug 07 15:43:18 vnc needs another computer though Aug 07 15:43:29 lardman, looks like some kind of switch Aug 07 15:43:57 hmmmm switch? :D Aug 07 15:44:22 well that was what I was wondering, perhaps it allows something else to be fed to that pole of the jack Aug 07 15:44:56 ah, found what it is Aug 07 15:45:11 look on the line that comes out of GPIO_3 Aug 07 15:45:13 it says MIC_SEL Aug 07 15:45:25 basically, that block allows to select what it uses as mic input Aug 07 15:46:00 so it can select to use the inbuilt mic or the headphone one Aug 07 15:46:03 ah, nothing too exciting then Aug 07 15:46:12 nope Aug 07 15:46:36 So, you had me doing all that just to say it wasn't exciting?!? :P Aug 07 15:46:40 * qwerty12 goes on strike Aug 07 15:46:49 :D Aug 07 15:46:51 sorry Aug 07 15:47:04 Haha, I'm only joking, I'll do whatever I can to help :D :) Aug 07 15:47:10 I wonder if analogue TV would be a better bet for a usb decoder Aug 07 15:47:19 just the bandwidth then, no decoding to do Aug 07 15:47:56 lardman: dvb-h would be a more likely candidate. Aug 07 15:48:39 why's that? Aug 07 15:48:53 lardman, this still on the principle there might be video out on the 2.5mm jack ? Aug 07 15:49:03 crashanddie: yeah Aug 07 15:49:09 isnt there a secret data port at the bottom of the stylus tube? Aug 07 15:49:13 s/2.5/3.5 Aug 07 15:49:25 lardman: Lower bandwidth, made for mobile. Aug 07 15:49:27 that outputs fibre signals Aug 07 15:49:43 lardman, if this schematic is correct, I can definitely confirm there's no video connected to it Aug 07 15:50:32 X-Fade: analogue will have higher bandwidth, but there's no decoding overhead Aug 07 15:50:39 (why do I feel breaking the bad news is never good for the karma) Aug 07 15:50:54 yeah Aug 07 15:51:03 lardman: dvb-h is doable, for sure. Aug 07 15:51:16 X-Fade: what's your take on video out of the 3.5mm jack then? Aug 07 15:52:08 lardman: It would be cool, but I'm not sure it is possible at all. Aug 07 15:52:47 hmm :) I thought you'd seen it in action? Aug 07 15:53:07 lardman: I never said that. Aug 07 15:53:16 ah, I must have misheard Aug 07 15:53:22 -read Aug 07 15:54:12 ah well, it was interesting to learn about it anyway Aug 07 15:54:38 what are avilma and betty btw ? Aug 07 15:54:52 the 2 Nokia chips Aug 07 15:54:56 IC's (whatever that means :P) Aug 07 15:55:00 It would be good to get a definitive answer anyway.. Aug 07 15:55:05 integrated circuits Aug 07 15:55:10 Thanks Aug 07 15:55:31 http://www.nokia-tuning.net/index.php?s=partlist_bb5 Aug 07 15:56:59 we could connect the tv out pins on the epson :> Aug 07 15:57:21 major surgery though Aug 07 15:57:54 btw, are we supposed to be looking at these Nokia "COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL" schematics, lol ? Aug 07 15:58:15 Nokia Phone modders have been doing for years Aug 07 15:58:34 I've read the sony ericsson service manual for my W810 Aug 07 15:58:43 Infact, I've got a friend that leaks them out for sony ericsson phones. Aug 07 15:58:44 erhm Aug 07 15:58:45 guys Aug 07 15:59:01 noone said we read this crashanddie :P Aug 07 15:59:03 look at page 3 Aug 07 15:59:12 Amsterdam, or How_To? Aug 07 15:59:21 How_To Aug 07 15:59:33 there's "Display Controller" Aug 07 15:59:45 about halfway through the component, on its left side Aug 07 16:00:04 crashanddie: that's what i just suggest crashanddie with lardman obvious response :) Aug 07 16:00:11 there's a bunch of TVOUT, that are grounded Aug 07 16:00:21 that wouldn't exactly be major surgery Aug 07 16:00:28 I mean, if they're just grounded... Aug 07 16:00:33 crashanddie: the omap display controller can also do TV out Aug 07 16:00:45 [Top Gear] how hard can it be ? [/top Gear] Aug 07 16:00:45 crashanddie: and that's what we were looking at before Aug 07 16:00:57 lardman: i guess it is easier to use the epson actually if you really want to mod it ;) Aug 07 16:00:58 Probably a lot better than the Epson chip, knowing how crap Epson are... Aug 07 16:01:16 qwerty12: but the epson is fully documented ;) Aug 07 16:01:28 jott, mind pm'ing me links? Aug 07 16:01:40 oh the epson specs are official Aug 07 16:01:58 oh, ok, thanks Aug 07 16:02:03 * qwerty12 searches for the epson used Aug 07 16:02:05 http://vdc.epson.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=38&Itemid=40 Aug 07 16:02:16 cheers Aug 07 16:02:17 I don't want to do hw modifications, might as well use a usb vga adaptor, I just wanted something to plug and go Aug 07 16:02:34 lardman: when the mod is ready, then it is plug and go :> Aug 07 16:02:56 yeah, I guess so, but is there enough space to stick in another 3.5mm jack, etc,? Aug 07 16:02:59 crashanddie: you are welcome to try :) Aug 07 16:03:22 jott, looking at the amsterdam schematics right now Aug 07 16:03:50 * crashanddie finally feels his electronics degree servers him :D Aug 07 16:03:55 -r Aug 07 16:03:58 lardman: yeah well you could do the same as the n95 and connect a couple of TS5A6542 :) Aug 07 16:04:01 * qwerty12 feels like I should take one Aug 07 16:04:39 usb-vga adaptor Aug 07 16:04:53 No one really into ham radio huh? Aug 07 16:04:56 actually the n95 schematics should make it possible to properly connect a tv out to the omap :P Aug 07 16:05:18 lardman, Sounds like Graham Cobb's sis usb-vga stuff. I know Nokia put that module into the diablo initfs... Aug 07 16:05:26 jott: let's hope Nokia look at them as they design the next tablet ;) Aug 07 16:05:38 qwerty12: yep, exactly Aug 07 16:05:41 * qwerty12 bets they wont Aug 07 16:05:49 * lardman hopes they will Aug 07 16:05:58 360 degree videos... w00t http://demos.immersivemedia.com/ Aug 07 16:06:12 please, not another omap2 lardman :P Aug 07 16:06:20 anyway, home time, back to GPS stuff me thinks Aug 07 16:06:34 Aww, I was quite enjoying this :( Aug 07 16:06:37 jott: true, bring on the omap3xxx Aug 07 16:06:39 * Khertan_n810 oO° Aug 07 16:06:44 qwerty12: yeah, me too :) Aug 07 16:06:49 cu chaps Aug 07 16:06:52 bye Aug 07 16:07:19 bye lardman|gone Aug 07 16:13:57 From what I can see, avilma and betty are the chips that do all the battery/power management Aug 07 16:14:38 retu and tahvo in finnish I believe. This app gets its battery data straight from those chips: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ Aug 07 16:15:09 heh :D I'm good :D Aug 07 16:18:22 putain ! Aug 07 16:18:32 i ll be crazy with this gdata api Aug 07 16:18:51 some parameters aren't documented ! Aug 07 16:18:56 no type ... Aug 07 16:19:14 "start_index" : the start index Aug 07 16:19:24 great doc ! Aug 07 16:19:36 hehe reminds me of gtk docs :) Aug 07 16:20:46 yeah but there is some many open source software using gtk that we can look in it too find what we need Aug 07 16:20:54 not the case with gdata Aug 07 16:21:39 there must be a bunch of apps using gdata or? Aug 07 16:22:02 Yeah, by now, a lot of apps must be using it :/ Aug 07 16:22:36 a lot ? Aug 07 16:22:45 some stupid script ... Aug 07 16:23:07 what do you want to do? Aug 07 16:23:09 and commercial apps Aug 07 16:23:12 not many open source apps Aug 07 16:23:50 set the start index parameters ! Aug 07 16:24:04 on a gdata.calendar.service.Query Aug 07 16:25:12 query.start_index = 1 ... 400 bad query Aug 07 16:25:17 :( Aug 07 16:26:32 lo zanshin Aug 07 16:26:44 hey Stskeeps Aug 07 16:27:00 it's been a while :) Aug 07 16:27:50 yeah, from the polish mountains to a camping wagon on a music festival in .dk :P Aug 07 16:28:10 Khertan_n810: i'm gone again immediately, but a new version of mCalendar didn't show up in my app manager today Aug 07 16:28:21 you said you uploaded it, so maybe something went wrong Aug 07 16:28:21 zanshin: how far did you manage to get with the things? Aug 07 16:28:23 sounds better then painting a house :) Aug 07 16:28:26 gotta run now though Aug 07 16:28:34 Khertan_n810: good luck with the API ;) Aug 07 16:28:38 aquatix > extras-devel ? Aug 07 16:28:45 ah, devel Aug 07 16:28:48 good point Aug 07 16:28:49 :) Aug 07 16:28:57 will try that, thanks :) Aug 07 16:29:03 laters! Aug 07 16:29:06 Not much. The weather was good the last week, so I've been painting. Aug 07 16:29:09 i ll not validate it until i m sure Aug 07 16:30:21 I don't have the tools I need to open my n810 at the moment, so I can't access the S1D13745A01B20B chip ATM. I'll try to pick up some better tools one of these days, but I have no idea where they're going to sell those Aug 07 16:30:50 crashanddie, ask in any phone repair shop Aug 07 16:31:02 qwerty12, cool, thanks Aug 07 16:31:21 probably just a bunch of torx screwdrivers :) Aug 07 16:31:55 Well, I didn't think I'd need my mcguyver set when moving to the UK, frankly Aug 07 16:31:58 * qwerty12 hates torx. The set I got was dodgy, I only opened my K750 after a friend gave me his Aug 07 16:32:38 Why can't they all stick with good old philips screwdrivers Aug 07 16:32:55 Alas, they don't want you opening it up :( Aug 07 16:33:06 Well, I bought it Aug 07 16:33:20 They give me 3/4 of the OS open source, why can't I access the hardware itself ? Aug 07 16:33:38 if OpenMOKO was just better hardware I might jump on their boat Aug 07 16:33:48 and if they weren't all in TAIPEI xD Aug 07 16:34:19 Most of the code open sourced in maemo land isn't directly to do with the hardware :(. All I can think of is the kernel and xomap-xserver Aug 07 16:34:50 from what i have heard, openmoko is even worse than maemo from a usability standpoint ;) Aug 07 16:36:45 well, if nokia suddenly announced that they would be scrapping maemo for something QT based, things would be interesting ;) Aug 07 16:37:06 qwerty12, did you notice, that How_to.pdf is only page 200-209 Aug 07 16:37:14 qwerty12, which means there's a lot we're missing out on :D Aug 07 16:37:25 Yeah :D Aug 07 16:37:38 crashanddie, Read original yet? Aug 07 16:37:44 oh, no, wait Aug 07 16:39:55 if you are lucky the flex connector is fully wired :) Aug 07 16:40:26 crashanddie, oh, just reread your message properly. doh, let me see Aug 07 16:40:43 t_s_o> interesting for u Aug 07 16:41:00 Khertan_n810: sorry? Aug 07 16:41:31 ah, i forgot about writing it like this: "interesting"... Aug 07 16:41:52 Does anyone know if the code for MMC / SD access on the N770 is using hardware features, or is it just GPIOs? Aug 07 16:42:19 ie if I can scavenge an extra 3 GPIOs, can I use nibble mode? Aug 07 16:44:50 off to defcon :-) bbs Aug 07 16:45:22 jott, I doubt it's wired, considering it's grounded Aug 07 16:45:31 jott, worse yet, it's grounded with a bunch of other outputs Aug 07 16:45:52 jott, I can't say anything at this time without seeing the actual chip though Aug 07 16:46:27 Do they have Wifi in Heaven ? Aug 07 16:46:58 crashanddie, I can kill you and then you can tell us on #maemo Aug 07 16:47:42 The Church should play it smart, I mean, Muslims get 99 virgins (they didn't specify male or female though :D), so they have incentive to be badass for their religion Aug 07 16:47:59 But what do we get ? The promise of floating on a bit of condensed water for eternity ? Aug 07 16:48:38 * qwerty12 is a Muslim, but I'm not religious so I guess 99 virgins is out for me :P Aug 07 16:49:23 bye Aug 07 16:49:24 what the hell, garage is down again? Aug 07 16:49:53 shackan, must be, it was going slow for me about 10 mins ago :( Aug 07 16:49:59 shackan: i would wonder about the contrary :O Aug 07 16:50:07 meh Aug 07 16:50:15 I need python tough Aug 07 16:50:50 I mean, shit, reformulate that... "Smoke as much as you want, you'll never get sick, and it's free, free wifi, our tubes are unlimited and you always have 100% signal strength, you can play all your favourite MMORPGs 24/7, and still have time to socialise with your mates" and on the other hand "if you go to hell, your NIT will never have any battery left, wifi will always be good enough to get an IP address, but never any Aug 07 16:50:50 actual data, and your MMORPG character will get bashed/spawn killed ALL THE TIME" Aug 07 16:51:00 That's the way to get the geek community back in Church Aug 07 16:51:29 crashanddie, MMORPGs?!? Aug 07 16:51:52 so long as they can explain why god != imaginary friend then I'll listen... Aug 07 16:52:07 Give the geeks some free wifi in Church, so they can google/slashdot/twitter what they hear in there, and get the wine flowing, too Aug 07 16:52:42 anyway, time for a peanut butter sandwich :P, brb Aug 07 16:52:49 with jelly? Aug 07 16:52:51 crashanddie, God will retaliate when the time comes by making you listen to all those sermons you chose not to listen to when you were on your NIT :P Aug 07 16:54:55 i bet internet in heaven is filtered as hell :P Aug 07 16:55:34 That's like 2/3's of the world's websites gone :P Aug 07 16:55:43 Think the proxy in heaven supports POST? Aug 07 16:55:59 I suppose hell would offer much better websites in that case Aug 07 16:56:10 so true... Aug 07 16:57:13 it's a transparent proxy redirecting everything to www.vatican.va :) Aug 07 16:57:32 hehe Aug 07 16:58:13 so for all eternity you will reload and won't be allowed to curse :P Aug 07 16:58:52 Alas, I don't know if Heaven can stop my swearing :D. I swear too much >.< Aug 07 16:58:52 i think you'll be better off with just the usual death = nothigness :> Aug 07 17:00:47 well, with buddishm you can always get factory reset and reboot .. and start over again Aug 07 17:02:06 It'd be kinda funny, like, if the after life is completely different than what everyone says Aug 07 17:02:18 oilinki: just check your karma an maemo.org before you die :) Aug 07 17:02:37 it's not nothing, it's not reincarnation, it's not heaven or hell Aug 07 17:03:15 now that'd be funny Aug 07 17:03:17 ...it's the matrix :X Aug 07 17:03:27 cuz nobody could say "HAH ! I TOLD... wait" Aug 07 17:03:40 Hey, if I get to do all those matrix moves when I die, I aint complain Aug 07 17:04:03 well only problem you won't realize any of this as your brain stops working ;) Aug 07 17:04:12 qwerty12, you're 15 and spend your days in front of a computer, the only way you'll be doing funky matrix moves, is if hit by a train/car Aug 07 17:04:54 crashanddie, come east london beef ting, we'll decide there whos doing matrix moves :P Aug 07 17:05:10 haha, I'll eat you up mate Aug 07 17:05:33 sure you will bruv, lol, deres a firearm shop near me :P Aug 07 17:05:40 take a camera and make a live stream! "crashanddie vs. qwerty12" Aug 07 17:06:03 qwerty12, you're 15, you're not even allowed to look at it... But I'm 22, thanks for the pointer Aug 07 17:06:38 jott, but it would be broadcasting for only a few seconds as I shove crashanddie's head into the camera :P Aug 07 17:06:47 crashanddie, sure, you don't even know where to start Aug 07 17:07:06 ah, you are in london, we have enough cameras spotting at you anyway ;) Aug 07 17:07:32 jott: what are your thoughts on maemo-barcode? Aug 07 17:07:39 rm_you: you about? Aug 07 17:07:48 lardman: in which regard? Aug 07 17:07:56 jott: direction Aug 07 17:08:37 hm i would like to see it a bit modularized so it is pluggable in different frameworks (qt, python bindings, etc). Aug 07 17:08:49 do we have someone working on some web integration to use the ean/isbns from the 1D codes? Aug 07 17:09:02 ah ok, so you just want a backend? Aug 07 17:09:17 yes. just for the cv part. Aug 07 17:09:33 i think handling of web stuff is a matter of the toolkit language anyway. Aug 07 17:09:53 toolkit and/or language Aug 07 17:09:53 I need to do some work on the stacked 1D codes (pdf417 iirc), I'm not sure what the status of the QR codes is, but the datamatrix stuff is far too slow imo Aug 07 17:10:23 jott: would be good to progress from a test app to something with a use, if someone can see one Aug 07 17:10:24 ;) Aug 07 17:10:48 oh, btw, I used my NIT to hack Vista :P Aug 07 17:11:05 yeah, well i'd rather use qt for anything gui and network related ;) Aug 07 17:11:10 You know the ability Vista has to log someone in using facial recognition ? Aug 07 17:11:20 jott: hmm Aug 07 17:11:52 jott: ok, well we can pull the analyse_image() and all subfns out into a library I guess, then just wrap that Aug 07 17:11:53 Well... Taking a picture of the lawful owner of the laptop, and displaying it fullscreen, right in front of the webcam was quite enough to get access to the computer :P Aug 07 17:12:18 lardman: yep, i think this could also help with python bindings. Aug 07 17:12:26 crashanddie: lol Aug 07 17:12:35 crashanddie, Wow, it must be crap if the NIT's camera outfoxed it :P Aug 07 17:12:47 qwerty12, heh :D Aug 07 17:13:24 Hehe, I used to have a Siemens fingerprint mouse. Some German site found out that sellotape was enough to remove that threat :D Aug 07 17:14:05 my new sirfstar3 gps is pretty good, had it on in the office with no lock, then sat on my balcony and as soon as maemo-mapper came up it had a 3D fix Aug 07 17:14:21 pleasant surprise Aug 07 17:14:22 lardman, n810 or n800 ? Aug 07 17:14:34 n810, but doesn't matter, it's a bt one Aug 07 17:14:50 aye Aug 07 17:14:56 how much did you pay for it ? Aug 07 17:15:03 £25 Aug 07 17:15:07 nice Aug 07 17:15:12 J? Aug 07 17:15:25 yeah, built-in drove me mad in Chicago, had to get something that works Aug 07 17:15:26 qwerty12, yes Aug 07 17:15:29 qwerty12? Aug 07 17:15:55 Sorry, but what is J? I only understand GBP, USD and EUR :). And Yen. Aug 07 17:16:05 lardman: what kind of setting do you use with the bt-gps and tablet+maemo mapper? Aug 07 17:16:09 He said £ Aug 07 17:16:13 POUNDS Aug 07 17:16:19 the fucked up L Aug 07 17:16:21 ah, sorry, does this produce J? £ Aug 07 17:16:26 Hmm, font must be fcuked up then, I got a J :) Aug 07 17:16:27 nope Aug 07 17:16:33 gbp anyway Aug 07 17:16:45 £25 is very decent Aug 07 17:16:49 lardman, you buy stuff in GBP in the US ? You're not that smart, are ya :P Aug 07 17:17:01 lardman, so... in USD... You paid it something like $500 ? Aug 07 17:17:02 :D Aug 07 17:17:06 oilinki: set maemo mapper to bt and make sure the control panel applet is bound to the external gps Aug 07 17:17:07 seems like the gpsd does not start every time when I start maemomapper, which says 'searching for gps receiver' Aug 07 17:17:36 oilinki: set it to bt with no mac Aug 07 17:17:39 lardman: are you able to use other gps-programs, like gps_saver at the same time? Aug 07 17:17:56 then set the gps via the control panel/status bar applet Aug 07 17:18:10 oilinki: I can use m-mapper + map, so yes Aug 07 17:18:58 hmm. I tried some combinations. sometimes I needed to start the gps_saver before mapper, sometimes not. Aug 07 17:19:20 oilinki: the status bar bit should start gpsd, then anything can use it Aug 07 17:19:20 shouldn't the mapper start gpsd when it starts? Aug 07 17:19:40 yes Aug 07 17:19:47 oilinki: depends how you set it up, if you leave the bt map clear, it uses the proper way to start it up Aug 07 17:19:59 otherwise it's a private connection and nothing else knows about it Aug 07 17:20:33 lardman: ok, thanks, I need to understand it a bit better. basically I wish to have the gpsd to look for receivers (bt, and internal) and then serve the information to other apps. Aug 07 17:20:52 How to create a .source.changes file from a .dsc file? Is that possible? Aug 07 17:21:31 or alternatively, can dput upload just a .dsc file? :) Aug 07 17:23:09 oilinki, at some point, I used SSH to forward the GPSD data to other stations Aug 07 17:23:33 actually it would be great if the maemo-mapper would be able to first check if there is bt-gps available. if not, then use the internal gps. Aug 07 17:24:18 oilinki: that's a specific requirement for you though, not generic Aug 07 17:24:35 oilinki: well at least if we had a decent internal chipset it wouldn't be generic anyway ;) Aug 07 17:25:05 crashanddie: shouldn't it be the other way around, so that that the other apps on other devices connect to gpsd ? Aug 07 17:25:38 so, location awareness in the built-in IM, how does one do that? Aug 07 17:26:02 oilinki, nope, I wanted my laptop to have access to the GPS data Aug 07 17:26:22 lardman: yeah :) I love the maemo-mapper, but when using it with the internal gps in the car, the device have to be on the front window all the time. Aug 07 17:26:39 oilinki: it's just a 3 tap change iirc Aug 07 17:27:11 oilinki: tbh until the inbuilt gps is very very sensitive a BT one makes more sense - easier to place somewhere with a good view of the sky as you say Aug 07 17:27:23 oilinki: likewise when walking around Aug 07 17:27:51 crashanddie: maybe I missunderstood the gpsd, but I tought that it would do that. get infomation from the chip and offer it to external apps. Aug 07 17:29:16 oilinki, gpsd is configured to only accept localhost sockets, nothing remote Aug 07 17:29:19 lardman: true. with a car or walking, external gps is almost a must. Aug 07 17:29:53 crashanddie: ah. but why? Aug 07 17:30:01 oilinki, at the time of my research, I didn't find how to change this behaviour, so I just tunneled the port through to another host using SSH Aug 07 17:30:59 oilinki, security, battery ? I don't know why it's configured that way Aug 07 17:31:23 oilinki, on the other hand, I wouldn't want everyone on the same network as me to have access to the GPS data, at least, no by default Aug 07 17:31:26 not** Aug 07 17:31:36 crashanddie: it should be possible to start gpsd with a switch to enable the network, though how to get libgpsmgr to do this I don't know Aug 07 17:31:58 lardman, yeah, that's exactly the problem I had, SSH was just an easier solution Aug 07 17:32:06 yep Aug 07 17:32:11 crashanddie: ok. I understand the reasons. Aug 07 17:32:26 Though, writing a small proxy shouldn't be that hard Aug 07 17:32:35 I even recall making one, don't know if I still have the source code though Aug 07 17:32:53 But the way to go here would be to delve into the configuration and get it to open up by itself Aug 07 17:34:08 lcuk, you should've worn underpants ! Aug 07 17:42:43 lardman, "On operating systems that support D-BUS, gpsd can be built to broadcast GPS fixes to D-BUS-aware applications. As D-BUS is still at a pre-1.0 stage, we will not attempt to document this interface here. Read the gpsd source code to learn more." Aug 07 17:42:44 :D Aug 07 17:59:12 crashanddie: neat Aug 07 17:59:16 * jott scrubs his eyes Aug 07 17:59:19 ack late for lunch appointment Aug 07 17:59:21 lol jott Aug 07 17:59:23 X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/armel.build.log.OK.txt :O Aug 07 17:59:31 ooo qt4 :P Aug 07 18:00:13 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt lol Aug 07 18:00:25 not much space left :p Aug 07 18:01:32 any sucess on build a firefox-qt4 .deb ? Aug 07 18:01:42 not tried yet Aug 07 18:02:38 wait firefox CAN be built on qt?! Aug 07 18:02:41 odd Aug 07 18:02:47 N E ways, bbl Aug 07 18:02:48 since yesterday ;) Aug 07 18:02:59 read the planet dude! :) Aug 07 18:04:25 yeah... firefox under qt4.4 Aug 07 18:09:46 Anunakin: what's the problem with the build btw? followed the steps on the wiki? Aug 07 18:18:44 jott: this? http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Pjohnsen/MozillaQtBuild Aug 07 18:19:53 Anunakin: yes. but as i said, i haven't tried it yet. Aug 07 18:22:40 OK ... I lets try it Aug 07 18:36:32 Hello Aug 07 18:39:53 hi AndrewfBlack Aug 07 18:45:33 what's the easiest way to get rid of documentation that is installed with a debian package? Aug 07 18:46:20 zanshin: docpurge on maemo already takes care of this Aug 07 18:46:49 It's not maemo :) Aug 07 18:46:59 it's debian Aug 07 18:48:16 docpurge on debian :) Aug 07 18:48:38 dpkg-query -L foopkg should tell you which files are installed by foopkg. Aug 07 18:48:42 thanks Aug 07 18:49:36 johnx, what package do you use for the onscreen keyboard? I can now boot into a xfce4 session, but I don't have a keyboard. Aug 07 18:50:03 matchbox-keyboard IIRC Aug 07 19:02:26 ' Aug 07 19:19:39 Is there any good way someone can think of to benchmark battery performance on an N770? Aug 07 19:21:58 there really aren't any comprehensive ones. Aug 07 19:22:22 johnx: I can't find docpurge? where or what is it? Aug 07 19:22:55 4-6 hours wifi/heavy usage, ~8 hours moderate-light usafe, ~24 hours wifi idle, ~1-2 weeks completely idle. Aug 07 19:23:11 zanshin: docpurge just does rm -rf /usr/share/doc/ && rm -rf /usr/share/man/ && rm -rf /usr/share/info/ Aug 07 19:24:01 ah ok thanks Aug 07 19:25:52 oops, guess I got confused with localepurge (which actually exists in debian and also may be of interested) Aug 07 19:27:14 how about a "metapurge" that purges all this stuff at once? :) Aug 07 19:27:27 slim down debian to 15mb :> Aug 07 19:27:48 emdebian? Aug 07 19:27:49 :) Aug 07 19:27:54 rm -rf / Aug 07 19:28:09 rm -rf GAN800 ? :P Aug 07 19:28:32 * GAN800 is stuck on the tarmac at the wrong airport and pissy. Aug 07 19:28:59 you're on a plane right now? O_o Aug 07 19:29:47 Yeaj Aug 07 19:29:51 s/j/h/ Aug 07 19:29:51 GAN800 meant: Yeah Aug 07 19:29:58 Sitting here, waiting. Aug 07 19:30:08 for another hour. Aug 07 19:30:24 madness! The internet really is everywhere Aug 07 19:30:32 EDGE Aug 07 19:30:43 It's really not, though. Aug 07 19:30:46 aaah...your crankiness is understandable :) Aug 07 19:30:55 I see about 12 hours with wifi on. Aug 07 19:31:04 Come to find cellular coverage is ridiculously spotty in California Aug 07 19:31:05 ... With my 2400mAh cell. Aug 07 19:31:20 Dibblah, OS2006? Aug 07 19:31:26 Yeah. Aug 07 19:31:42 Ah, well. Aug 07 19:31:55 No wifi PSM in os2006 Aug 07 19:32:04 http://pendor.org/shared/N770-Battery/scaled/ Aug 07 19:32:19 upgrade to one of the HEs for better wifi idling. Aug 07 19:39:48 has anybody built/ported Hedgewars yet? Aug 07 19:40:42 man so much to read Aug 07 19:47:33 pupnik, we need an 'learning by osmosis' machine we can sleep on. Aug 07 19:50:35 re Aug 07 19:50:44 * hrw tests SD emulation in qemu Aug 07 19:50:59 anything of value going on today Aug 07 19:51:52 does anyone know how to get rid of the error with the error message "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory"? Aug 07 19:57:22 pupnik: hedgewars uses opengl :( Aug 07 19:57:46 qemu n8x0 emu can use SD cards directly Aug 07 19:57:46 hrw, the emulator you have - does it fully emulate the epson graphics chip, or is this partly why you want the basic fb support? Aug 07 19:58:06 lcuk: compile it and try by yourself Aug 07 19:58:19 lcuk: I am not familiar with internals Aug 07 19:58:59 ill have a look into it Aug 07 20:00:29 lcuk: it has some basic blizzard support. Aug 07 20:01:12 jott, but no xv im betting? Aug 07 20:01:40 lcuk: want liqbase in it? Aug 07 20:02:02 im just thinking how "complete" the emulation is Aug 07 20:03:02 or beyond the ARM binary support, does the system run thinking it is an 810 or just an arm machine running maemo Aug 07 20:03:24 n810 or n800 depends on qemu select Aug 07 20:04:07 lcuk: it it pretty much a n8x0 Aug 07 20:04:10 it is Aug 07 20:04:23 there are most likely things missing Aug 07 20:04:36 but those should be considered as bugs :) Aug 07 20:05:03 no bt, no wifi for now Aug 07 20:05:11 and one sd card instead of two Aug 07 20:05:16 yesi understand :) just trying to get my head around it Aug 07 20:05:18 i thing wifi will be quite hard :P Aug 07 20:05:22 think Aug 07 20:05:25 hrw, and no glowing LEDs! Aug 07 20:05:31 * lcuk will not miss them Aug 07 20:06:03 hrw: what have you done to get usb network support? Aug 07 20:06:16 22:06 hrw@home:MAEMO$ sudo ~/devel/OH/test/qemu/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -kernel diablo/zImage -net nic,model=usb,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=tap0,script=/home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/trunk/scripts/poky-qemu-ifup,downscript=/home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/trunk/scripts/poky-qemu-ifdown -mtdblock /home/hrw/devel/OH/poky/trunk/build/MAEMO/diablo.qemuflash -serial vc -m 130 -usb -show-cursor -M n810 -usbdevice net:0 --show-cursor -sd /dev/slsd Aug 07 20:06:24 thats whole command which I use Aug 07 20:07:18 it give diablo system with n810 emulation + using real SD card as SD card + usb networking + visible cursor Aug 07 20:07:32 network is usb0 on maemo side and tap0 on host side Aug 07 20:07:47 ah i bet imissed the -usb Aug 07 20:07:59 -usbdevice net:0 Aug 07 20:08:06 ok thanks will try later Aug 07 20:08:23 lcuk: XVideo support is present Aug 07 20:08:26 i have glxgears running at 10 fps :) Aug 07 20:08:31 at least xvinfo returns that Aug 07 20:08:45 mikkov_: wow, quake3 will be next? Aug 07 20:08:48 cool, nice one hrw :) Aug 07 20:08:58 ut99 plz thx Aug 07 20:09:30 i was playing last night and i wanted to use my 810 for weapon swap with icons Aug 07 20:09:37 hrw: oh yeah. for some reason glxgears is only gl-app which runs Aug 07 20:10:06 mikkov_, how many steps to get ogl on the device? Aug 07 20:10:29 ut99 with software renderer should run ok shouldnt it? Aug 07 20:10:39 quake2 runs more or less smooth so.. Aug 07 20:11:06 lcuk: you now I so tired that I can't remember. And it doesnÃ't evn work completely :( Aug 07 20:11:26 hrw, the n800 extensions to qemu means i cannot just install and run qemu on windows and run the 800 emulator from there can i? Aug 07 20:11:45 but I think it was pretty simple after all Aug 07 20:11:49 mikkov_, :) ive spent the last year feeling like that Aug 07 20:12:12 but you persevere and make things work the best you can (especially if it personally matters) Aug 07 20:12:29 * lcuk goes hunting Aug 07 20:12:46 autobuilder seems to be full ;) Aug 07 20:12:48 jott - what do you recconm the chances of using the DSP for ogl rendering are? Aug 07 20:13:30 lcuk: ogl is quite heavy. Aug 07 20:13:39 ogl es might be in reach. Aug 07 20:13:51 yer, well most of the frameworks are heavy Aug 07 20:14:00 but a reference implementation could be put together? Aug 07 20:14:09 should i mention it to lardman :D Aug 07 20:15:08 lcuk: heavy in the sense that it takes several man years to implement a opengl complient library. Aug 07 20:15:28 look at mesa :) Aug 07 20:15:48 gulp Aug 07 20:15:53 lcuk: if you have recent qemu built for windows then you can use n8x0 emul Aug 07 20:16:24 ahhh hrw, i thought you actually modified the qemu source to manipulate the end machine type Aug 07 20:16:28 my misunderstanding Aug 07 20:16:45 hrw: about your problem with zip.... didn't you have zip3 installed? zip conflicts with zip3 and won't install Aug 07 20:16:48 so, its like vmware but for various processor types Aug 07 20:16:51 lcuk: I patched qemu to get Diablo working Aug 07 20:17:27 but diablo/chinook are software running on the same hardware - qemu shouldnt have needed changing should it? Aug 07 20:17:28 Nokia-N810-23-14:~# dpkg --get-selections |grep zip Aug 07 20:17:28 unzip install Aug 07 20:17:36 lcuk: partition sizes differ Aug 07 20:17:49 (which are hardcoded in qemu) Aug 07 20:17:55 lcuk: qemu does not use nokia bootloader but jumps to kernel directly Aug 07 20:17:55 hrw: so actually no zip is installed and it won't install? Aug 07 20:18:15 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/u/unzip/unzip_5.52-14-maemo3_armel.deb Size mismatch Aug 07 20:18:18 thats why Aug 07 20:18:23 %-O Aug 07 20:18:28 ok Aug 07 20:18:40 who played with packages without regenerating Packages files? Aug 07 20:18:53 Packages are regenerated seldom Aug 07 20:19:04 still same after 'apt-get update' Aug 07 20:19:10 ~curse extras repo Aug 07 20:19:11 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, extras repo ! Aug 07 20:19:22 let's wait until tommorow, then I'll bug X-Fade :) Aug 07 20:19:55 hrw: actually its not extras, its extras-devel Aug 07 20:20:03 anyway Aug 07 20:25:37 hrw - ahhh that makes more sense now, so its not a complete emulation of the full hardware but a reference cpu/memory system which you fire off in the right way. Aug 07 20:26:39 lcuk: it is emulation of machine with some features not emulated Aug 07 20:26:41 lcuk: qemu emulates quite some n8x0 specific hardware parts. Aug 07 20:26:50 lcuk: not emulation of cpu alone Aug 07 20:27:19 lcuk: if it would be emulation of 'reference cpu/memory system' then clean maemo image would not boot Aug 07 20:28:29 ill dig deeper later than Aug 07 20:28:45 lcuk: you do not have battery info other then 'less then 1 hour', no wifi, no bt Aug 07 20:28:59 lcuk: and it is a bit slow too Aug 07 20:29:14 gives you lot of debug infos Aug 07 20:29:29 tahvo_write: LCD backlight now at 3 / 127 Aug 07 20:29:32 for example Aug 07 20:29:58 or blizzard_reg_write: The display must be disabled before entering Standby Mode Aug 07 20:29:59 ahh so that would be where the real system would expect to alter the backlight i gather Aug 07 20:30:09 hrw: makes you curse at maemo sometimes :> Aug 07 20:30:24 and it alters BL but you do not see it Aug 07 20:30:46 set it to zero and clsoe your eyes :D Aug 07 20:30:50 close Aug 07 20:32:29 lcuk: I get black screen with 0 bl Aug 07 20:32:50 lcuk: there are two levels of BL: 0 (black) and any other Aug 07 20:33:10 heh - dont tell rm_you that Aug 07 20:35:10 :D Aug 07 20:36:30 ah - there is no sound too Aug 07 20:36:41 at least I did not get it running Aug 07 20:37:09 lcuk: opengl on the dsp sounds bad as the update rate is pretty slow, perhaps for optimisation of some of the maths, I don't know Aug 07 20:37:16 night all Aug 07 20:37:36 lol i was joking - just with you running off on the video trek and easily sidetracked :P Aug 07 20:37:41 damn Aug 07 20:37:48 * lcuk should look at the screen Aug 07 20:37:50 too late Aug 07 20:39:18 today has been looooooooong. ive had the missus ring up after electrocuting herself. twice. and having to repair/dry out all the electrical stuff/throw some away/teach eldest how to take stuff apart (i got him finding the laser). now youngest has just brought me buzz lightyear with a broken arm. Aug 07 20:39:28 * lcuk might outsource his fatherly duties Aug 07 20:40:05 * lcuk wants to code funstuff in the daytime Aug 07 20:41:05 you should train your childeren to become codemonkeys so you can assign tasks to them :P Aug 07 20:41:28 :) i think jake will when hes older. luke isnt patient enough Aug 07 20:43:01 lcuk: how old where they again? Aug 07 20:43:11 6 and 13 Aug 07 20:43:32 with 13 he should have written alot of programs by now :P Aug 07 20:43:35 get them to learn programming, that should keep them occupied Aug 07 20:44:30 no, luke (eldest) hasnt got the patience - bikes cars skateboards girls are more his thing Aug 07 20:45:03 hehe you have done something wrong educating him *scnr* Aug 07 20:45:43 use your second change :P Aug 07 20:45:46 chance Aug 07 20:46:08 heh, no lukes gonna be ok - hes very interested in medical Aug 07 20:46:19 jake is more laid back Aug 07 20:46:28 quite happy and comfortable using the computer Aug 07 20:46:55 6 is good age to learn BASIC Aug 07 20:47:14 or logo if that is still around ;) Aug 07 20:47:27 * jott pets the turtle Aug 07 20:47:32 Kegetys, few other things to deal with first Aug 07 20:48:00 * lcuk has buzz lightyear in pieces Aug 07 20:48:12 * lcuk feels like a doctor Aug 07 20:48:34 The doctor will see you now! Aug 07 20:48:36 jott: LOGO on 8bit Atari had 5 turtles ;D Aug 07 20:48:50 I think I've still got my Buzz - I was working at SGI when it came out... Aug 07 20:49:10 im actively pondering porting hypercard properly to liqbase by the way :) Aug 07 20:49:33 heh Aug 07 20:49:43 I still don't have a multi-boot device - Chinook won't boot Aug 07 20:49:52 does it do .txt, .pdf, and comix already? Aug 07 20:50:13 txt yes Aug 07 20:50:37 pdf, if rm_you's base pdf->jpeg works nicely, then kindof yeah, comix??? in jpeg format? Aug 07 20:51:21 brb Aug 07 20:52:37 comix, in whatever format they exist, would be natural to have Aug 07 20:53:35 i say jpeg because thats the only format i can read so far :P Aug 07 20:54:18 zap: you broke the autobuilder, six times state UNKNOWN in row, i wonder what this is know? ;-) Aug 07 20:54:32 ? Aug 07 20:54:52 * chelli is subscribed to the autobuilder mailinglist ;-) Aug 07 20:55:09 bzip2 this morning? Aug 07 20:56:21 it just listed unzip, zip, zip3, 2x tar and gzip all mails in the last hour Aug 07 20:57:59 zap: but you are at least not the only one who sees very weird behaviour of the autobuilder, i uploaded a new package, canola-flickr-plugin on tuesday, the build went fine, but it somehow just disappeared Aug 07 20:58:03 zap: btw, are you maintaining command line zip or the file manager plugin too? Aug 07 20:58:33 RST38h: I'm preparing a release of XArchiver, but can't release it until all command-line archivers are fine Aug 07 20:58:49 RST38h: I've separated the file manager thingy from the unzip package Aug 07 20:58:53 ~curse maemo for not handling modules in proper way Aug 07 20:58:55 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo for not handling modules in proper way ! Aug 07 20:58:55 not sure if it's needed Aug 07 20:58:57 zap: until now the package is not in the repository, just to be sure i did 2 additional uploads, but with the same result Aug 07 20:59:06 lack of depmod... modules in non standard place... Aug 07 20:59:06 zap: cool Aug 07 20:59:07 argh Aug 07 20:59:14 zap: the file manager thingie is confusing Aug 07 20:59:30 zap: it uncompresses zpip into the same directory but isn't telling what it is doing Aug 07 20:59:32 fsck Aug 07 20:59:53 RST38h: well I've at least added a statusbar popup to it, but I'll wait anyway for Daniel (the author of the thingie) to review my changes Aug 07 21:00:50 chelli: we are kind of beta-testers for the autobuilder, so we must be prepared for mysterious things to happen :) Aug 07 21:01:05 :( Aug 07 21:01:29 i did all i could, but unfortunately we had to amputate the arm. Aug 07 21:01:37 whose? Aug 07 21:01:48 the ARM? Aug 07 21:02:06 my son was devistated :( Aug 07 21:03:02 oh my! Aug 07 21:03:21 seriously?! Aug 07 21:03:30 at least this time its not terminal. the last one lost his head Aug 07 21:03:36 it's a toy jott Aug 07 21:03:39 ah Aug 07 21:03:41 * lcuk wishes he had kept spares Aug 07 21:04:22 well please use smiles when you're kidding, with my poor English its not always easy to understand that Aug 07 21:05:28 :D ill smile when im telling him his favorie toy is armless next time :P Aug 07 21:05:31 though i agree with you Aug 07 21:06:43 lcuk: you should have kept the headless one for spares Aug 07 21:06:50 well my daughter got hit by a jeep about a month ago, so I'm a bit sensible to these things now Aug 07 21:07:03 zap: :( Aug 07 21:07:04 i know that, but he didnt have a donor card Aug 07 21:07:16 :( zap omg Aug 07 21:07:29 she's okay Aug 07 21:07:39 lcuk: you could always declare him to be at the field of battle Aug 07 21:07:43 i had mentioned to jott about it being buzz just up there ^^ Aug 07 21:08:07 zap: where? Aug 07 21:08:36 RST38h: in the courtyard Aug 07 21:09:18 scary shit =( Aug 07 21:09:43 zap i would hate to go through that Aug 07 21:09:59 was she injured? Aug 07 21:10:17 a bit, but now she already forgot about it Aug 07 21:10:28 qgil is on holidays from tomorrow - I hope that he will read my mail before leaving Aug 07 21:11:15 hrw, he reads lots of stuff - im constantly amazed by how many pies he is involved in Aug 07 21:11:25 its like he types with 2 computers :D Aug 07 21:12:28 zap: yes, of course but i still hope that issue this will be resolved soon, it is not very motivating when the infrastructure breaks over and over again :) Aug 07 21:13:55 chelli: just get a needle and puncture X-Fade until everything's fine :) Aug 07 21:15:37 zap: yes, he already got a few messages in a query yesterday and today, he promised to look at it as soon as re solved your problem ;-) Aug 07 21:21:24 hmm, 8 UNKNOWNs in a row Aug 07 21:21:30 and all for chinook Aug 07 21:24:28 disk is full? Aug 07 21:25:34 13 UNKNOWNs in a row Aug 07 21:26:46 the logs look funny :) Aug 07 21:28:23 last FAILED had No space left on device Aug 07 21:28:53 http://i42.servimg.com/u/f42/11/92/18/86/20perc10.jpg Aug 07 21:28:53 or 2 last FAILED ones Aug 07 21:28:54 haha Aug 07 21:29:54 bye Aug 07 21:33:15 mikkov_: yes, disk full really could explain the problem, i even know who used most of the space, hint: qt4-x11 takes about 6GB of space while building, afaik ;-) Aug 07 21:33:59 12gb as it seems as it builds x86 and armel :) Aug 07 21:34:55 jott: ok, you are right, the last time it seems it was sucessful with building for armel, but got disk ful while unpacking the sources for the x86 build ;-) Aug 07 21:35:50 no chance of me building it in a reasonable time on the 810 then Aug 07 21:36:36 :) Aug 07 21:36:56 hopefully nokia will be so generous and provide a machine with a bit more hdd space at one point in time :) Aug 07 21:37:33 can't you plug external usb drives into the tablets? Aug 07 21:37:50 i just need mmc space really, but 6gb is a massive build Aug 07 21:38:04 i think you also need a bit more of ram :) Aug 07 21:38:28 but 6gb shouldn't be a problem. Aug 07 21:38:29 MOAR everything, but no rotational devices tyvm Aug 07 21:38:51 its just a problem of it being a metric shitload of code Aug 07 21:38:58 lcuk: i guess when the build of qt4-x11 on the n810 is ready,you will be able to buy the n1000 in stores ;-) Aug 07 21:40:24 when things get that big, it might be better to just upload and let the autobuilder do it for me ;) Aug 07 21:40:46 but 6gb is massive by any codebase standards Aug 07 21:41:21 well documentation and debug symbols take a large part of it Aug 07 21:42:16 ahhh, whats the binary footprint of all this? Aug 07 21:42:17 well, as long as the resulting packages are installable on the internal flash of the n8x0 without removing all other apps first, i have no problem with it :) Aug 07 21:43:18 lcuk: i have no idea Aug 07 21:43:28 jott, should there be debug symbols in the standard build? Aug 07 21:43:31 needed packages are around 20mb Aug 07 21:43:40 lcuk: no they are in an extra package Aug 07 21:44:00 ahhh, so do not have to build the entire thing Aug 07 21:44:43 uh? as enduser / application developer you install the packages and maybe also the -dev packages. Aug 07 21:45:59 me as minimalist hacker. wanting to see what the core graphical needs but not be bogged down with 10 layers back Aug 07 21:49:56 saw this on git recently : http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~blynn/gitmagic/index.html Aug 07 21:51:37 "As Arthur C. Clarke observed, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." hehe Aug 07 22:09:42 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/07/poor_man_buys_i_am_rich_app/ Aug 07 22:09:50 Wouldn't have happened if he'd bought an NIT instead of an iPhone Aug 07 22:12:41 crashanddie: apparently 3 other people bought this app :) Aug 07 22:13:05 jott, cool, means there's $3k in my bank account Aug 07 22:13:05 * jott should also write some iphone apps :P Aug 07 22:13:11 well, 4 Aug 07 22:13:12 :D Aug 07 22:13:23 -30% ;P Aug 07 22:13:24 crashanddie: no, instead it would have been an app you needed to spend 3 days to get working ;) Aug 07 22:13:46 yes, xmoto Aug 07 22:16:59 Stanley Cube Bricked's new film ! GAN8001: The Space Odyssey, featuring lcuk's liqbase with hidden HAL features... "Hello Michael, would you like me to crash today" In theatres August 15th ! Aug 07 22:17:19 [/random crap] Aug 07 22:17:39 * jott starts to think crashanddie is a bot :P Aug 07 22:18:11 We'll see about that in Berlin Aug 07 22:18:27 attack of the cybercrashanddies Aug 07 22:18:53 I'll cough on you... "attack of the cyberflem" Aug 07 22:19:12 (that's just gross xD) Aug 07 22:19:27 I have the feeling one of my flatmates just jumped out of the window Aug 07 22:20:01 brb Aug 07 22:22:33 there was this sound on the roof, like trying to open the window vigorously, and then a loud/hard bang outside, coming from beneath Aug 07 22:22:37 and now it's very quiet Aug 07 22:23:05 and I don't dare yelling at him to see if he'll answer, nor going downstairs if there's a body Aug 07 22:23:36 better lookout. Aug 07 22:25:44 take a brolly. might be raining heavily Aug 07 22:26:13 well, I was thinking about what I was going to do (there really isn't a single sound) Aug 07 22:26:20 and I rolled a fag Aug 07 22:26:26 guess I decided without knowing it, bbl Aug 07 22:26:31 brolly, hehe learn a colloquial word every day with lcuk ;) Aug 07 22:34:23 hey khertan :) Aug 07 22:35:37 good news, there's no body Aug 07 22:35:41 bad news, I'm a wussy Aug 07 22:37:22 because you tried to disposed the body? :P Aug 07 22:37:31 and failed :> Aug 07 22:37:38 no Aug 07 22:38:16 because my heart was racing when I went in the garden, looking for it, and Andy (our hedgehog) scared the shit out of me when making noise in the bushes Aug 07 22:38:47 hedgehog? Aug 07 22:38:52 * moontiger smiles Aug 07 22:39:22 yeah, well I petitioned to call him Sonic, but the others failed to see the positive side of such a name Aug 07 22:39:41 * moontiger laughs Aug 07 22:39:47 cool name for a hedgehog Aug 07 22:40:02 hehe sonic comes as a natrual choice for a hedgehog name :) Aug 07 22:42:04 well, apart from the fleas, those things are cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute: http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04/HedgehogBNPS_450x300.jpg Aug 07 22:42:14 i used to have pet rats Aug 07 22:42:18 i loved them Aug 07 22:42:24 hedgehogs? Aug 07 22:42:30 yeah, I've had rats, too Aug 07 22:43:24 cant imagine hedgehogs sleeping in bed with me tho Aug 07 22:47:23 have to fly to LA tomorrow.. i can't stand airports Aug 07 22:48:57 flying is fun Aug 07 22:49:09 I love to make fun with the security guards Aug 07 22:49:42 well... Usually, it's just making fun of them, but sometimes they'll hop on the joyride Aug 07 23:03:44 i'd like a dpad that could play sonic the hedgehog Aug 07 23:09:09 haha Aug 07 23:09:15 yeah.. the dpad on the n800 sucks :) Aug 07 23:09:23 but then again it really wasn't intended as a gaming dpad Aug 07 23:09:30 yes Aug 07 23:09:31 although i'm sure they could have done something to make it a little more game friendly Aug 07 23:09:43 i'm not sure i'd know what would serve both purposes best Aug 07 23:09:46 * Mace` is trying to build qt/kde Aug 07 23:09:57 if it looks like a gamepad, it's also going to hurt the image of the device imo Aug 07 23:10:11 but i'd really like 8-way, low resistance steering Aug 07 23:10:41 heh.... well.. it's not its intended purpose Aug 07 23:11:17 kernel/qt_x11_p.h:69:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory Aug 07 23:11:20 wow are you kidding me? :) Aug 07 23:12:15 wtf Aug 07 23:12:26 pupnik: we should really find someone making something like this iphone gamepad. Aug 07 23:12:33 do you have to build x11 for scratchbox or something? Aug 07 23:12:57 Mace`: ... why are you wasting your time?! :( Aug 07 23:13:14 ? Aug 07 23:13:23 learning is not a waste of time even in failure :) Aug 07 23:13:48 if you tried to rebuild distributors packages it should tell you to fetch the needed -dev packages... Aug 07 23:14:28 (like libx11-dev) Aug 07 23:14:57 does the diablo have the libcurl libs installed? Aug 07 23:15:05 could you give me something small that i can try out in order to see what you are talking about jott? Aug 07 23:15:16 wow that was bad ... i can speak english really :/ Aug 07 23:15:59 moontiger: yes. "libcurl3" should be there. Aug 07 23:16:12 awesome thanks Aug 07 23:16:14 Mace`: packages.debian.org, packages.ubuntu.com Aug 07 23:16:23 that's what i'm looking at now Aug 07 23:16:37 which qt package did you fetch? Aug 07 23:18:58 http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kde/kde-devel Aug 07 23:19:53 that's just a meta package ... Aug 07 23:20:21 i think the problem is that i don't really know what a dev pkg would look like :) Aug 07 23:20:33 brb Aug 07 23:21:10 Mace`: that's why you should read something like the debian new maintainers guide Aug 07 23:21:26 Mace`, get the source files Aug 07 23:21:52 Mace`, then just dpkg-source -x file.dsc; cd dir; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -B Aug 07 23:22:03 Mace`, you'll get your -dev package Aug 07 23:22:41 see.. that's what i don't get.. my scratchbox install doesn't have dpkg-source on it Aug 07 23:22:53 or just dget -x http://foo/bla.dsc Aug 07 23:23:08 dget ? or wget ? Aug 07 23:23:11 dget Aug 07 23:23:18 Mace`, maybe you need to install some packages ? Aug 07 23:23:19 like dput Aug 07 23:23:34 oh, ok Aug 07 23:23:35 yeah.. i'm sure i do .. just have to figure out where to start doing that :) Aug 07 23:23:41 this will combine the "download and dpkg-source -x" step :) Aug 07 23:24:05 like.. starting with dpkg would help :) Aug 07 23:24:36 Mace`, dpkg-dev ? Aug 07 23:25:09 hm dget is even in my default sbox install. Aug 07 23:25:10 oh but look... $ apt-file search dpkg-source Aug 07 23:25:10 dpkg-dev: /usr/bin/dpkg-source Aug 07 23:26:28 it's in "devscripts" otherwise. Aug 07 23:31:40 ah.. i figured it out.. i missed a step Aug 07 23:40:06 * pupnik learns more about the aliens Aug 07 23:45:46 aliens and rpms Aug 07 23:50:40 HAHAHA "crop circles are to tune up the planet, and stabilizing the planet and prevent it from tipping on its axis" - George Green Aug 07 23:53:42 hm.. tried to build dpkg from src and it can't find curses.h but i just installed ncurses Aug 07 23:55:30 ncurses-dev ? Aug 07 23:55:36 libcurses-dev? Aug 07 23:55:53 most of header files are on -dev packages Aug 07 23:57:02 Mace`: please! read some very basic manuals. Aug 07 23:59:07 so im writing a home screen applet to read from a google calendar... Aug 07 23:59:43 and it has to be in C cos the python bindings aren't written yet Aug 08 00:00:06 so i was wondering if anybody knows of any c libs for the gdata stuff or do i have to write my own Aug 08 00:00:11 I believe Khertan wrote home applets on python, did not he? Aug 08 00:00:35 he did and i have spoken to him but there is no way to use the settings menu stuff for the home screen Aug 08 00:00:45 as the python bindings arent there yet (if ever) Aug 08 00:00:53 ah I see. Aug 08 00:00:54 and his talks to mcalendar Aug 08 00:01:11 i want something to just talk to my calendar and show up to a month of events Aug 08 00:01:21 my google calendar that is Aug 08 00:01:32 i have the code working on my desktop mostly Aug 08 00:01:37 so its a porting thing Aug 08 00:01:56 i was using pythin too until i discovered that problem Aug 08 00:02:21 and of course i can let khertan use the home screen applet for mcalendar too if he wants to Aug 08 00:03:10 anyways ... the question was about the gdata libs for C Aug 08 00:03:23 there are Objective C libs but they are for OSX Aug 08 00:07:52 moontiger: http://code.google.com/p/gdata-gobject-client/ not sure how well it works.. Aug 08 00:08:05 (just google foo :) Aug 08 00:09:55 jott ... damn!! you had me happy there for a minute but they didnt release any files yet so there is no actual lib :( Aug 08 00:09:59 but thanks for trying Aug 08 00:10:01 :( Aug 08 00:10:16 i'll just use libcurl and grunge thru the xml stuff Aug 08 00:10:17 svn contains stuff Aug 08 00:10:33 might be worth a try atleast :) Aug 08 00:10:38 <[yzf600]> can os2007 run on a nokia 770? Aug 08 00:10:40 (like running the test) Aug 08 00:10:57 [yzf600]: there is a os2007he Aug 08 00:12:01 <[yzf600]> anyone have experience running it? Aug 08 00:12:10 i might give it a shot but ive been looking thru the docs and the gdata stuff is just xml http posts back and forth ... in javascript it would be trivial Aug 08 00:12:28 but i can write a small lib using libcurl and xml parsing Aug 08 00:13:09 do you know what xml libs are on os2008 by default? Aug 08 00:13:48 ok... figured out a few things i did wrong already :) but it's cool... i'm reading the maint guide now jott .. i'll work on it after i'm done reading it.. tnx for the help Aug 08 00:14:31 moontiger: i think libxml2 and expat should be installed Aug 08 00:15:42 Mace`: you are welcome. just try to get some context for your understanding and ask here again. someone will most likely know an answer. Aug 08 00:16:10 ok coolio ... so im going to write the gdata stuff as a separate little lib that can grow in future and can be used by other people Aug 08 00:16:46 its just xml rpc stuff Aug 08 00:17:48 moontiger: why not try to contribute to the google code framewrok :) Aug 08 00:18:08 (not having seen it, but trying to encourage collaboration :) Aug 08 00:18:36 i will when i have something to submit ... i want to get it working first then i can submit and let it get developed more maybe Aug 08 00:18:50 thnx for the help ... libcurl and libxml2 is all i need Aug 08 00:20:01 off to see batman now ... bbl Aug 08 00:20:24 have fun. Aug 08 00:20:31 :) Aug 08 00:44:54 <[yzf600]> I'm trying out os2008 he for 770 Aug 08 00:44:57 <[yzf600]> I hope this works Aug 08 00:47:10 west wing cracks me up Aug 08 00:47:13 <[yzf600]> so do regular os2008 packages install on os2008he? Aug 08 00:47:34 <[yzf600]> I need to install openssh & xterm, but need to know what repository to add Aug 08 00:49:05 xterm should be preinstalled with os2008 :) Aug 08 00:50:45 hacker addition? Aug 08 00:55:36 know what.. i always wondered Aug 08 00:55:43 why did they get rid of the tabs in os2008? :) Aug 08 01:06:26 some friends and I are in a discussion.. how do you pronounce maemo? Aug 08 01:19:35 <[yzf600]> ma-mo Aug 08 01:19:37 <[yzf600]> for me Aug 08 01:19:44 <[yzf600]> or rather may-mo Aug 08 01:19:53 <[yzf600]> but I'm probably wrong Aug 08 01:24:23 is there a mail program that can connect to hotmail Aug 08 01:28:32 anyone here ever built maemo with OE? Aug 08 01:29:23 I've always pronounced it may-mo as well, but one of my friends who just bought a n810 was pronouncing it mee-mo.. and another friend (who also just bought one) corrected her and pronounced it mah-mo.. I was just wondering what the consensus was Aug 08 01:30:18 maymo Aug 08 01:33:34 aptitude install scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 ; <-- correct? ;-) Aug 08 01:35:07 aspect: Openembedded build system Aug 08 01:36:13 I know what it is, just hoping that's the correct package (and only one?) I need to install on debian Aug 08 02:51:57 anybody here know what would be considered a goaddy "class 2" cert? Aug 08 02:52:09 is that just a deluxe cert from goaddy? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 08 02:59:58 2008