**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 10 02:59:57 2008
Aug 10 04:24:09 <Italodance> .
Aug 10 04:24:46 <terbo> ^
Aug 10 04:26:02 <Italodance> :D
Aug 10 04:26:07 <Italodance> morning
Aug 10 04:26:42 <terbo> evenin
Aug 10 04:37:17 <GeneralAntilles> Who let "Share apps" past copy-editing for the maemo.org intro. <_<
Aug 10 04:46:00 * GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade.
Aug 10 04:50:33 <oilinki> hey. is there a ready made list how much each n810 component uses battery? eg. display min, med, max ,gps chip, wlan idle/action, bt id/action etc.
Aug 10 04:51:36 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Aug 10 04:51:46 <oilinki> oukki.
Aug 10 04:52:35 <oilinki> seems like the lid display is the biggest power hungry element in the system
Aug 10 04:54:29 <GeneralAntilles> Backlights are the biggest consumer of energy on most mobile devices.
Aug 10 04:54:56 <oilinki> maemo-mapper with bt-gps and display lit, the battery life was about 4 hours. display lit only when needed extended the life to 4 times more
Aug 10 04:55:20 <GeneralAntilles> Dropping the brightness can help a lot
Aug 10 04:55:30 <GeneralAntilles> If you're in a car, just get a power adaptor, though.
Aug 10 04:55:59 <oilinki> I had an old power adapter, but n810 seemed to refuse it. need to get a new one.
Aug 10 04:56:15 <GeneralAntilles> Gmail webmail is really slow right now, I'm waiting fo the message I just typed out to finish appearing on screen. <_<
Aug 10 04:56:29 <GeneralAntilles> Voltage is off if it says "Not charging"
Aug 10 04:56:44 <GeneralAntilles> You can pick up Nokia adaptors for about $2 a piece off Amazon.
Aug 10 04:57:27 <oilinki> I'll just go to a local little shop and check there.
Aug 10 04:57:48 <oilinki> I need to install one for my scooter as well.
Aug 10 05:00:00 <GeneralAntilles> Should probably tackle the maemo.org organization one section at a time. . . .
Aug 10 05:27:52 <Deka> Anyone here in BC?
Aug 10 05:28:24 <MAXLOOT> Hello can someone plz tell me a good maemo/n800 forum? thanks
Aug 10 05:28:40 <Deka> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/
Aug 10 05:29:44 <MAXLOOT> thanks deka
Aug 10 05:34:54 <lpotter> I drove though BC once. does that count?
Aug 10 05:42:02 <moontiger> does anybody know how to install something like gedit or whatnot inside sbox? nano is getting really old :(
Aug 10 05:43:10 <GAN800> How about vi? . . .
Aug 10 05:43:37 <moontiger> everytime i try to run vi i have to kill the process cos i can't even quit from it
Aug 10 05:49:02 <lpotter> jjust do Esc :q!
Aug 10 05:50:50 <lpotter> just use the editor on the host
Aug 10 05:58:48 <GAN800> moontiger, then learn how to use vi?
Aug 10 06:00:35 <moontiger> gan800 ... i know but i just really dont want to spend that much of my life learning a text editor :|
Aug 10 06:02:09 <GAN800> It'll take all of five minutes to get the basics.
Aug 10 06:02:56 <terbo> step one: writing an operating system
Aug 10 06:10:42 <moontiger> i would love to be able to use anjuta but i havent figured out how to even install it inside sbox
Aug 10 06:12:42 <RST38h> Eclipse? KILL.
Aug 10 06:12:56 <RST38h> moontiger: use pico
Aug 10 06:13:02 <RST38h> you do not need to learn pico
Aug 10 06:13:48 <moontiger> i can use joe and nano but really ... is there no way to use an editor with a gui ... it is 2008 no? *sighs*
Aug 10 06:13:58 <RST38h> there is
Aug 10 06:14:13 <RST38h> I have no idea why you would need a gui in the text editor, but gimme a moment
Aug 10 06:17:51 <RST38h> moontiger: http://geany.uvena.de/
Aug 10 06:21:04 <moontiger> thnx but what is the link for? i already use geany on my main dev system for web stuff ... is there a way to get that running insode of sbox? :)
Aug 10 06:27:20 <moontiger> forgive me ... im reading the ittabletalk pages now ... thanks :)
Aug 10 06:32:09 <trev0r> does syncing the n810 with a phone add anything besides the ability to use the phone's internet?
Aug 10 06:35:19 <moontiger> trevor ... i think you can xfer files if your fone is set up for that but essentially its for internet access i think
Aug 10 06:36:34 <trev0r> i was wondering if it would notify you of calls, etc
Aug 10 06:36:37 <bef0rd> I can 'control' the n810 from my SE phone
Aug 10 06:37:30 <GAN800> trev0r, phonelink
Aug 10 06:45:19 * moontiger is resigned to command line tools for dev work *sigh*
Aug 10 06:55:40 <RST38h> good boy
Aug 10 07:08:07 <bef0rd> why do you need to install the dev tools inside sbox?
Aug 10 07:08:58 <bef0rd> can't you just open the 'project' files outside of sbox, with your IDE, and just use sbox to type make?
Aug 10 07:13:24 <RST38h> bef0rd: Maemo SDK+
Aug 10 07:13:42 <RST38h> bef0rd: sb1 won't do it but sb2 (part of maemosdk+) will
Aug 10 07:14:27 <GAN800> I wonder if it's time to start tackling the branding for maemo.org now that the logo is in place. . . .
Aug 10 07:22:45 <RST38h> depends on what you mean by branding
Aug 10 07:23:02 <GAN800> maemo -> Maemo, etc
Aug 10 07:23:10 <RST38h> ah
Aug 10 07:23:12 <RST38h> yep
Aug 10 07:24:56 <GAN800> Now where's X-Fade. . . .
Aug 10 07:25:12 <GAN800> or bergie. . . .
Aug 10 07:30:23 <GAN800> Anybody have an opinion on site-wide full-justification?
Aug 10 07:31:04 <Proteous> I think anyone who has an opinion about site-wide full-justification should just shut up
Aug 10 07:31:10 <Proteous> keep it to yourself
Aug 10 07:31:24 <bef0rd> ok.
Aug 10 07:31:27 <Proteous> WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR QUIBBLES
Aug 10 07:31:54 <Proteous> seriously, no one really cares about it as much as you do, so you'll just be boring us
Aug 10 07:31:57 * GAN800 steals Proteous's Lucky Charms.
Aug 10 07:32:07 <Proteous> and belive me, no one wants to be bored
Aug 10 07:32:21 <Proteous> especialy by your justification viewpoints
Aug 10 07:34:04 <Proteous> you can blame GAN800 for my poor disposition
Aug 10 07:34:12 <Proteous> he stole all my breakfast cereal
Aug 10 07:34:21 <Proteous> that makes me cranky
Aug 10 07:34:29 <Proteous> now GET OFF MY LAWN
Aug 10 07:34:47 * GAN800 adds milk, eats.
Aug 10 07:34:52 * Proteous cries
Aug 10 07:45:48 * moontiger catches up.....
Aug 10 07:46:57 <moontiger> yah well right now im just doing some python for a home screen applet so its not too bad
Aug 10 07:47:14 <moontiger> when i start using c or c++ it might be more of a pain
Aug 10 07:47:30 <moontiger> btw ... can i use c++ for maemo apps? and glade?
Aug 10 07:49:33 <lbt> http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/index.html
Aug 10 07:50:21 <bef0rd> I saw gtkmm/glade libs with chinook, dunno if they are available to diablo
Aug 10 07:50:28 <lbt> yes
Aug 10 07:50:45 <lbt> (not sure about glade if that's what you meant)
Aug 10 07:51:51 <deckel> I could need a pointer on how to recover my non booting 810. The blue status bar is complete, but it doesn't go any futher.
Aug 10 07:55:00 <keesj> bef0rd: I think c++ dev was even officialy anounced
Aug 10 07:57:49 <lbt> if you want to look at a simple-ish c++ app then I'm currently writing Shopper: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper
Aug 10 08:34:28 <moontiger> lbt: thanks much :)
Aug 10 08:34:50 <moontiger> im developing a simple python home applet to get my google calendar right now just to get my feet wet
Aug 10 08:34:56 <moontiger> then i want to do some more ambitious stuff
Aug 10 08:38:18 <pupnik> deckel: have you tried reflashing?
Aug 10 08:39:08 <aquatix> morning all
Aug 10 08:39:19 <qwerty12> hi aquatix
Aug 10 08:39:21 <deckel> pupnik: I am sure that would solve the problem but I'd like to avoid that. Seems my installation of advanced-backlight caused the trouble. That was the last thing I did before rebooting.
Aug 10 08:39:40 <qwerty12> deckel, Do you have fanoush's initfs installed?
Aug 10 08:40:19 <deckel> qwerty12: No
Aug 10 08:40:57 <qwerty12> Then you are SOL. Fanoush's initfs can get you into a / either by telnet/ssh or booting another system of a memory card :/
Aug 10 08:44:27 <deckel> ok. I'll reflash and have a look at this. Thanks.
Aug 10 08:44:41 <GeneralAntilles> deckel, adv-backlight?
Aug 10 08:44:45 <GeneralAntilles> I don't see how. . . .
Aug 10 08:44:56 <GeneralAntilles> Unless there was something broken about your system going in. :\
Aug 10 08:45:16 <deckel> Yes, adv-backlight. I'll reflash and install adv-backlight again. Just to see if that was the problem.
Aug 10 08:45:22 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, hildon-desktop is a POS :(. I've had it crash on bootup just by updating the rss reader applet.
Aug 10 08:45:57 <GeneralAntilles> lol, qwerty12, everything's a POS to you, isn't it? :P
Aug 10 08:46:21 <GeneralAntilles> deckel, it wont.
Aug 10 08:46:22 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Of course :P :D
Aug 10 08:46:42 * qwerty12 so needs a bigger hard drive
Aug 10 08:46:58 <deckel> GeneralAntilles: it won't crash then?
Aug 10 08:48:23 <GeneralAntilles> deckel, thousands of people use it without issue.
Aug 10 08:48:44 <GeneralAntilles> There's very little chance that it was actually the culprit.
Aug 10 08:49:33 <RST38h> qwerty
Aug 10 08:49:43 <qwerty12> Hi RST38h
Aug 10 08:50:04 <deckel> So, it is impossible to find out what the problem was? I'll have a look at Fanoush's initfs. Maybe this helps if I run into a similar problem in future.
Aug 10 08:51:29 <GeneralAntilles> Well, boot issues aren't the easiest things in the world to diagnose.
Aug 10 08:51:39 <GeneralAntilles> Definitely install fanoush's initfs.
Aug 10 08:51:57 <GeneralAntilles> As that'll give you a usbnet ssh/telnet recovery route.
Aug 10 08:52:21 <GeneralAntilles> There are thousands of small things that can lead to reboot loops.
Aug 10 08:52:44 <deckel> Do I need a MMC or can I install it without?
Aug 10 08:52:52 <GeneralAntilles> You don't need anything
Aug 10 08:53:11 <GeneralAntilles> it's intended primarily to provide a bootmenu for multiboot
Aug 10 08:53:22 <GeneralAntilles> but you don't need to use multiboot to use it.
Aug 10 08:53:36 <deckel> ok. I'll reflash and install it right after that.
Aug 10 08:53:48 <GeneralAntilles> anything you did between your last poweron and the one that ended in a loop could've caused the loop.
Aug 10 08:55:24 <liri> RST38h: how's it going
Aug 10 08:57:15 <GeneralAntilles> Awesome. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=211972#post211972
Aug 10 08:58:00 <GeneralAntilles> Google traffic
Aug 10 08:58:04 <Jaffa> Nice.
Aug 10 08:58:05 <GeneralAntilles> That makes me a bit giddy
Aug 10 08:58:11 <GeneralAntilles> No need for FM sideband with that. :D
Aug 10 08:58:26 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, Jaffa. :)
Aug 10 08:58:44 <Jaffa> 'lo
Aug 10 08:58:47 <qwerty12> Like zap says, would be nice if it was compiled with optimisations :/
Aug 10 08:59:16 <zap> ?
Aug 10 08:59:38 <qwerty12> The floating point stuff, I just took a quick look at rules
Aug 10 08:59:44 <zap> and it doesn't use them?
Aug 10 09:00:12 <qwerty12> Nope, rules just lists O2
Aug 10 09:00:28 <qwerty12> Well, this google traffic build anyway
Aug 10 09:00:35 <zap> indeed, no -mvfp
Aug 10 09:00:47 <zap> strange
Aug 10 09:01:14 <zap> maemo mapper author isn't aware that gdk-pixbuf-rotate.c uses heavy floating-point math?
Aug 10 09:01:35 <qwerty12> maemo mapper author is gone for a while afaik :(
Aug 10 09:01:47 <GeneralAntilles> He's roadtripping.
Aug 10 09:03:22 <qwerty12> ~lart libusb
Aug 10 09:03:22 * infobot strangles libusb with a doohicky mouse cord
Aug 10 09:04:24 <deckel> GeneralAntilles: Can I follow these instructions? https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_MMC_card
Aug 10 09:05:40 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, just the bootmenu part.
Aug 10 09:06:16 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i have this crazy idea to store something akin bootmenu.conf in --set-root-device .. not sure how much space i can fill in there though
Aug 10 09:07:00 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: it'd be interesting from the pov that you dont have to reflash or edit initfs to edit bootmenu, and its possible to do it through flasher too
Aug 10 09:08:10 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, nice
Aug 10 09:08:34 <Stskeeps> i'm just not sure when it starts keeling over :>
Aug 10 09:09:14 <qwerty12> Hehe, if the initfs is too big, flasher-3.0 will refuse to flash it. You get about 4MB, I've got around 1.3MB free on /mnt/initfs
Aug 10 09:09:21 <roadies> anyone know of a openvpn binnary that works with the latest n810 OS distro?
Aug 10 09:09:49 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: well i would be storing it in CAL instead
Aug 10 09:10:29 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, hmm, then I would be careful :/
Aug 10 09:10:51 <Stskeeps> either that or i should just get over myself and upgrade to diablo :P
Aug 10 09:10:57 <Stskeeps> for proper rw initf
Aug 10 09:10:58 <Stskeeps> s
Aug 10 09:11:28 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, that article seems a little less clear than it was the last time I cleaned it up. :\
Aug 10 09:11:34 <GeneralAntilles> Whose been screwing around with it. . . .
Aug 10 09:13:04 <GeneralAntilles> Why are we now linking tar to /home/user/bin, too. . . .
Aug 10 09:13:05 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
Aug 10 09:15:30 <mikkov_> roadies: openvpn is in extras-devel
Aug 10 09:16:03 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: what i'm really just looking for is a good way to have a grub style boot menu that OS'es can be asked to be added to, like, chroot /mnt/initfs bootmenu add "Deblet" mmcblk1p2 ext2 ro,noatime
Aug 10 09:16:48 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, that would pwn
Aug 10 09:17:05 <Stskeeps> because the current way is just.. too advanced
Aug 10 09:17:54 <Stskeeps> and ideally i would love it to have something like how macs dualboot, where you with dpad can select images/icons for what you'd like to boot
Aug 10 09:18:24 <qwerty12> Someone made a graphical bootmenu for 770 (well, it showed tux anyway) but I can't find it anymore :(
Aug 10 09:19:22 <zap> Anybody heard the internal flash memory to wear out when somebody uses it extensively for writing?
Aug 10 09:19:37 <Stskeeps> http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/data_files/2/7/8/apple-bootcamp-photo10.png <- mac
Aug 10 09:19:39 <zap> I'm a little worried since while developing I have to often install/uninstall packages
Aug 10 09:19:52 <Stskeeps> zap: could always clone to mmc
Aug 10 09:20:09 <Stskeeps> easier to replace mmc than internal
Aug 10 09:20:17 <qwerty12> and hope that flash chip holding initfs doesn't wear out :>
Aug 10 09:20:20 <zap> I'm thinking about using aufs for that
Aug 10 09:20:55 <qwerty12> zap, good luck. using unionfs to "union" /home/user would kill hildon-desktop :/
Aug 10 09:21:12 <zap> why?
Aug 10 09:21:20 <zap> unionfs sucks anyway
Aug 10 09:21:28 <qwerty12> If I knew why, I'd be a very happy person :)
Aug 10 09:22:00 <zap> Is it possible to write a control panel applet using Python?
Aug 10 09:22:01 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: why is it btw that people reflash the initfs when they could just remount it rw? or does that blow up things?
Aug 10 09:22:22 <deckel> GeneralAntilles: Installed the bootmenu. Thanks for your help.
Aug 10 09:22:30 <GeneralAntilles> OK, article is a little clearer now.
Aug 10 09:23:23 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I guess most people, regarding initfs, only install fanoush's bootmenu. It has to be compatible with all tablets and all hardware and you can only remount initfs rw in diablo compared to flashing it in all itos's
Aug 10 09:23:38 <deckel> I couldn't install e2fsprogs. Installed the alternative (forgot the name) instead
Aug 10 09:23:44 <liri> can I plug ordinary headphones to the  headphone jack on the n810? (not the nokia's provided headphones)
Aug 10 09:23:50 <qwerty12> liri, yep
Aug 10 09:24:02 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, give that a quick once over to make sure I didn't screw up, would you? https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Aug 10 09:24:24 <liri> qwerty12: ahh nice, so I can connect it to the fm tuner in my car
Aug 10 09:24:50 <liri> qwerty12: the n810 though has an N810 transmitter no? maybe I can transmit FM from the n810 itself :)
Aug 10 09:25:02 <roadies> mikkov_: I'm still new at this, where is extra-devel?  All I have is extra selection
Aug 10 09:25:08 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, sure, just checking
Aug 10 09:25:22 <qwerty12> liri, no, N810 has no fm radio/transmitter
Aug 10 09:25:36 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Aug 10 09:26:14 <GeneralAntilles> Time to remove the Diablo Extras note, methinks
Aug 10 09:26:34 <liri> qwerty12: thanks for clearing that out
Aug 10 09:26:44 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, you say to install wget which is fine. But extras should be enabled for wget
Aug 10 09:26:46 <qwerty12> liri, np
Aug 10 09:27:19 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Ah, I see that when they read root access, extras would be enabled
Aug 10 09:29:23 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Alas, diablo extras does not have a full e2fsprogs (http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/e/e2fsprogs/). To be able to install e2fsprogs, they would have to add the diablo sdk repository :/
Aug 10 09:29:23 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: how bad is a corrupted CAL btw? in terms of if i end up bricking something
Aug 10 09:29:44 <Stskeeps> (i have flasher access and fanoush bootmenu :P)
Aug 10 09:29:50 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, very bad. You would have to cold-flash
Aug 10 09:29:57 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, how do you feel about putting an e2fsprogs in Extras?
Aug 10 09:30:01 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: lovely
Aug 10 09:30:18 <deckel> querty12: I installed the alternative. apt-get showed me
Aug 10 09:32:02 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, I would do but I lost my ssh keys. I wonder if generating new keys and updating the lost ones in my garage page with new ones would work?
Aug 10 09:32:35 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, even more lovely is that steps for doing so are quite undocumented. keesj would be a good person to ask
Aug 10 09:32:46 <mikkov_> roadie: in that case install from here http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/o/openvpn/openvpn_2.0.9-4etch1maemo1_armel.deb
Aug 10 09:33:08 <qwerty12> deckel, is mkfs.ext2 present on your system (you may need to be root to see)?
Aug 10 09:33:20 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, dunno, but you can have one of my patented maemo.org Team Sharpened Poking Sticks if you want. ;)
Aug 10 09:33:45 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Thanks
Aug 10 09:34:03 <qwerty12> X-Fade, I'm poking you with GeneralAntilles's patented maemo.org Team Sharpened Poking Stick
Aug 10 09:34:06 <deckel> qwerty12: not present, but installing the bootmenu worked without.
Aug 10 09:34:20 <qwerty12> deckel, then, alas, it's not an alternative
Aug 10 09:34:40 <roadies> GeneralAntilles or mikkov_:  hummmm tried to "install" extra-devel from the URL link on the wiki and it fails with app incompatible....any idea ?
Aug 10 09:35:00 <deckel> qwerty12: but it is shown as a replacement by apt-get.
Aug 10 09:35:31 <qwerty12> deckel, but if it lacks the tools to format an ext2 partition, then I do not see it as an alternative
Aug 10 09:36:06 <deckel> qwerty12: me neither, just wanted to say that this was shown to me.
Aug 10 09:36:12 <GeneralAntilles> deckel, you actually don't need e2fsprogs for bootmenu
Aug 10 09:36:18 <GeneralAntilles> The article headings were sorted badly
Aug 10 09:36:21 <GeneralAntilles> I just cleaned that up.
Aug 10 09:36:25 <GeneralAntilles> roadies, dunno.
Aug 10 09:37:33 <mikkov_> roadies: use the link that I sent (to roadie ;))
Aug 10 09:37:42 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, that .install worked a few weeks ago.
Aug 10 09:38:01 <GeneralAntilles> Why would https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/install/extras-devel.install throw a "Incompatible application package."
Aug 10 09:39:46 <roadies> mikkov_: sorry, my multi-tasking this morning is off...well try the link *sign*
Aug 10 09:40:09 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, It has a mistake in it. It wants to add the catalogue "extras-devel" but only "[extras]" is in that install.
Aug 10 09:40:22 <GeneralAntilles> Aha
Aug 10 09:40:30 * GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade.
Aug 10 09:41:14 * GeneralAntilles is just gonna file a bug.
Aug 10 09:44:15 <GeneralAntilles> roadies, thanks for finding that. :)
Aug 10 09:45:28 <GeneralAntilles> Also: these are the best raspberries I've ever eaten. . . .
Aug 10 09:45:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: 128 is too long in set-root-device but 100 is okay - i might have wiped out my osso-software version but i think it was broken already before :)
Aug 10 09:45:51 <Stskeeps> but it still boots
Aug 10 09:46:10 <Stskeeps> wlan macs seem intact
Aug 10 09:46:16 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, osso-software-version in cal always corrupts when flashing :/. I've got a fix for it somewhere...
Aug 10 09:47:23 <roadies> GeneralAntilles:  OK what did I find?  person in confused state running around iwth no head on (aka me)?  mokkov_ gave me the URL but to be honest, I'm not sure it will load.  One thing I did do is config the extra-devel in the Apps Manager - however it doesnt see anything
Aug 10 09:47:25 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, running /var/lib/dpkg/info/osso-software-version<tab>.postinst will set the software version again
Aug 10 09:47:58 <GeneralAntilles> roadies, the .install file for Extras-devel was malformed.
Aug 10 09:48:03 <GeneralAntilles> Needs to be fixed.
Aug 10 09:48:05 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: ta
Aug 10 09:49:49 <roadies> oh, glad I could help.... whatever I did :-)
Aug 10 09:49:56 <Stskeeps> has anyone ever encountered initfs not able to mount / (flash fs)?
Aug 10 09:50:17 * qwerty12 gets excited over new midnight club
Aug 10 09:50:30 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, are you mounting manually? using ssh, bootmenu.conf?
Aug 10 09:50:54 <roadies> GeneralAntilles: If your fixing it, could U let me know when I can try again?
Aug 10 09:51:03 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: well, i'm just curious if it would be possible to put bootmenu.conf on the firmware image instead (in /, not initfs)
Aug 10 09:51:10 <GeneralAntilles> roadies, I don't have the access.
Aug 10 09:51:10 <Stskeeps> and just mount it readonly to get it
Aug 10 09:51:15 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade needs to fix it.
Aug 10 09:51:20 <Stskeeps> and i wonder if jffs can fuck so much up that it's unmountable
Aug 10 09:51:26 <GeneralAntilles> So it'll be whenever I can find him and accost him. ;)
Aug 10 09:51:39 <deckel> where can I find telepathy-haze-0.2.0-1collabora1? Need it for rtcomm-beta-os2008 v2.4
Aug 10 09:52:46 <RST38h> apparently, it has not been uploaded yet
Aug 10 09:53:22 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, try something like this. mount -t jffs2 -o rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=30000 /dev/mtdblock4 /tmp/mnt
Aug 10 09:53:26 <roadies> GeneralAntilles: when U do find him tell him, a poor slob is flapping in the wind with loose sails...as we say here
Aug 10 09:54:04 <GeneralAntilles> deckel, wait it out, or, maybe, bug Robot101 if you're particularly impatient.
Aug 10 09:54:21 <GeneralAntilles> roadies, it's a 5 character fix. ;)
Aug 10 09:54:28 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: well, i don't have an actual crash right now, just probing hypothetical situation that would mess up a initfs that loads its configuration from another FS than initfs
Aug 10 09:56:44 <qwerty12> cool
Aug 10 09:58:05 <liri> I'm guessing the common thing people do with their N810 is to clone the root partition to the 2gb partition. what do you do with the 256mb?
Aug 10 09:58:22 <Stskeeps> my idea is to have a initfs bootmenu.conf that just indicates which partition / filesystem and options to find the real "bootmenu" on.. for versions less than diablo it would be /dev/mtdblock4 for instance
Aug 10 09:58:48 <Stskeeps> so you dont have to flash for each change
Aug 10 09:59:11 <GeneralAntilles> liri, swap
Aug 10 09:59:24 <RST38h> and when it wears out?
Aug 10 09:59:46 <GAN800> That'll be abour never.
Aug 10 10:00:02 <liri> how's that GAN800?
Aug 10 10:00:04 <roadies> ok so I've got openvpn_2.0.2-2_arm.deb and attempting to extract it with dpkg but it needs an extraction directory.... is there a pseudo standard for what directories people use?  aka /usr/local/[package-name] or something
Aug 10 10:00:24 <liri> we know that reads and writes from/to flash wear it
Aug 10 10:00:56 <GAN800> Sure, but flash is a lot more durable these daya
Aug 10 10:01:02 <qwerty12> roadies, why would you want to extract it?
Aug 10 10:01:12 <GAN800> and the swapiness is about as low as it can ger.
Aug 10 10:01:18 <GAN800> s/ger/get/
Aug 10 10:01:18 <infobot> GAN800 meant: and the swapiness is about as low as it can get.
Aug 10 10:01:32 <liri> GAN800: and the 2gb sd card?
Aug 10 10:02:02 <GAN800> What about it?
Aug 10 10:02:15 <liri> GAN800: is it more durable than the 256mb flash or less durable?
Aug 10 10:02:32 <roadies> qwerty12: I'm following this road(ies) map:   http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installopenvpn/  but then again I'm a blind newbie here so I'm probably formatting my drive as we speak :-) *sign*
Aug 10 10:02:44 <GeneralAntilles> We're talking about two different things
Aug 10 10:02:45 <GeneralAntilles> Nevermind.
Aug 10 10:03:25 <GeneralAntilles> You usually don't use the built-in flash when you boot from SD.
Aug 10 10:03:28 <qwerty12> roadies, the date on one of those files is 2005 :/. I'd just dpkg -i the openvpn file and then apt-get -f install
Aug 10 10:03:41 <liri> GeneralAntilles: ahh?
Aug 10 10:04:00 <liri> GeneralAntilles: I can use the entire 2gb sd card as the root partition and put swap on the built-in flash.
Aug 10 10:04:57 <GeneralAntilles> You could make that work, yes.
Aug 10 10:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> I'd just format the 2GB with two partitions, myself, though.
Aug 10 10:05:56 <chelli> roadies: what are you trying to do? openvpn is available in extra(-devel)
Aug 10 10:06:13 <liri> I haven't done anything yet, I currently have the root partition on the 256mb flash and I'd like to 1. clone it cause I need more space and 2. put a swap file/partition as I read in ITT that it's an incredible improvement
Aug 10 10:07:09 <roadies> qwerty12:  mikkov_ gave me a URL with a file data 2008, I'm just using the URL I gave you as a HOWTO
Aug 10 10:08:10 <chelli> roadies: i believe this howto is very, very muc outdated
Aug 10 10:08:29 <roadies> chelli:  I configed (at least I think) App Manager with the respositry.maemo.com/extra-devel URL but it doesnt see it
Aug 10 10:08:37 <chelli> roadies: which device and which ITOS do you have?
Aug 10 10:08:45 <qwerty12> roadies, my point is that the wiki page is old
Aug 10 10:09:38 <roadies> chelli:  n810, with the latest OS (as of yeasterday), qwerty12: I agree very old, thanks
Aug 10 10:10:05 <liri> would putting the root and swap on the 2gb sd card wear it out? (btw, if it got wore out, could it be replaced with a new one?)
Aug 10 10:10:31 <chelli> roadies: respositry.maemo.com/extra-devel is wrong, it sould be repository.maemo.org/extras-devel
Aug 10 10:11:16 <chelli> roadies: openvpn is definetly available in the extras-devel-repository for diablo, because i uploaded it there last week ;-)
Aug 10 10:11:53 <roadies> chelli:  totally agree, I have that - missed type in my last chat to U
Aug 10 10:12:46 <roadies> chellI;  OK let me check the App Man config again
Aug 10 10:13:33 <chelli> roadies: can you start xterm and give me the output of "apt-cache policy openvpn" ?
Aug 10 10:14:48 <lcuk> crashanddie, ping back
Aug 10 10:15:08 <roadies> chelli:  per your request Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1# apt-cache policy openvpn W: Unable to locate package openvpn
Aug 10 10:15:26 <chelli> ok, then extras-devel is really missing
Aug 10 10:17:19 <roadies> chelli:  App Man is telling me refresh failed... I'm rechecking the URL again...so fair I just dont see a spelling problem with it
Aug 10 10:18:15 <GAN800> URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel
Aug 10 10:18:28 <GAN800> Components: free non-free
Aug 10 10:19:10 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i've put my proposal up in Alternatives on ITT if you want to comment/discuss :)
Aug 10 10:19:49 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, cool, I'll start reading :)
Aug 10 10:19:50 <crashanddie> lcuk, counter back ping
Aug 10 10:19:55 <lcuk> :D heh
Aug 10 10:20:08 <lcuk> theres a mail in the post to you
Aug 10 10:20:45 <crashanddie> :D
Aug 10 10:20:54 * crashanddie huggles lcuk
Aug 10 10:21:22 <lcuk> dont get excited, it says ".|.." :D
Aug 10 10:21:27 <TTilus> should n810 be able to retain time and date when it runs out of battery?  mine has a strantge habit of showing estimated 10 d of battery (when on stand-by) and after couple of days i find it dead and need to recharge before i get it to boot.  and when it does boot it has lost date
Aug 10 10:21:55 <GAN800> TTilus, plug the damn thing in. . . .
Aug 10 10:22:02 <lcuk> TTilus, are you sure you are not losing time through copious amounts of booze?
Aug 10 10:22:14 <GAN800> and, yes, it has a backup battery.
Aug 10 10:22:28 * TTilus has never been boozing, believe me or not  :D
Aug 10 10:22:43 <lcuk> TTilus, wormhole?
Aug 10 10:22:51 <TTilus> how often do you _really_ need to recharge
Aug 10 10:23:00 <TTilus> if you aren't using it
Aug 10 10:23:01 <lcuk> if on wifi quite often
Aug 10 10:23:11 <GAN800> Depends significantly on your usage.
Aug 10 10:23:19 * Stskeeps would love fuel cell for his n800.
Aug 10 10:23:20 <lcuk> not on wifi if theres nothing attempting to do stuff, it can last ages
Aug 10 10:23:21 <GAN800> just plug it in at night
Aug 10 10:23:28 <GAN800> it wont kill you.
Aug 10 10:23:36 <lcuk> i plug it in when im workin on it near the ocmputer, otherwise its off
Aug 10 10:23:51 <lcuk> its a fun game playing the "has my 810 managed to get through the night or did it die in its sleep"
Aug 10 10:23:59 <TTilus> haa, it could be wifi
Aug 10 10:24:14 <GAN800> lcuk, get a real AP. :/
Aug 10 10:24:38 <lcuk> no wifi at all - i disconnect a few seconds after moving away from computer
Aug 10 10:24:44 <qwerty12> My N800 dies each night in offline mode. I have too much programs killing the CPU :/
Aug 10 10:25:00 <lcuk> qwerty12, thats because it doesnt like the south
Aug 10 10:25:11 <lcuk> isntall "northern grit" and it will survive
Aug 10 10:25:16 <roadies> chellI:  as the song goes... "I think he's got it" !  I had "user" for the Catalogue Component and it should be "free non-free".... I'm so proud of myself ..... newbie talk here :-)
Aug 10 10:25:33 <chelli> :)
Aug 10 10:25:37 <qwerty12> lcuk, I broke my charger in the north. you people have dodgy regulations :p
Aug 10 10:26:09 <lcuk> :D
Aug 10 10:26:30 <TTilus> so turning autoconnect wifi off should extend battery life?
Aug 10 10:26:36 <TTilus> what other tips?
Aug 10 10:26:37 <roadies> chillie:  ahhhh now my update windows is chirping at me relentless oh the price of fame ;-)
Aug 10 10:26:57 <TTilus> lcuk: when you have your n810 dead, does it loose datE?
Aug 10 10:27:02 <GAN800> plug it in
Aug 10 10:27:12 <lcuk> TTilus, when on battery dim the screen as much as practical
Aug 10 10:27:14 <TTilus> (and please no jokes about dating just now)
Aug 10 10:27:26 <TTilus> lcuk: already doing it
Aug 10 10:27:26 <lcuk> no point in sitting on max brightness all day when half will suffice
Aug 10 10:27:40 <lcuk> back ater
Aug 10 10:27:44 <TTilus> lcuk: i'm on lowest possible all the time  ;)
Aug 10 10:28:22 <TTilus> GAN800: i just dont have the possibility always
Aug 10 10:29:04 <GAN800> Good, you don't need it always
Aug 10 10:29:04 <TTilus> GAN800: there are times when i'd like to survive 2-3 days without recharging, and i really don't need to use the device much, if at all
Aug 10 10:29:11 <qwerty12> TTilus, 1. don't trust the battery applet. 2. try /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/retutime --rtc-from-system as root
Aug 10 10:29:23 <qwerty12> retutime sets the hardware clock
Aug 10 10:29:27 <GAN800> just plug it in at night.
Aug 10 10:29:46 <TTilus> "there are times when i'd like to survive 2-3 days"
Aug 10 10:30:18 <GAN800> if you're not going to use it for a few days, plug it in.
Aug 10 10:30:19 <TTilus> GAN800: during workdays its usually plugged, at least for a while
Aug 10 10:31:06 <TTilus> GAN800: the thing is, i need it with me, i dont know ex ante if im gonna need it
Aug 10 10:31:18 <crashanddie> lcuk, improvement request: put the sketches in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/liqsketches, or something, but I reflashed, and lost all my data
Aug 10 10:31:39 <crashanddie> s/but/cuz/
Aug 10 10:31:40 <infobot> crashanddie meant: lcuk, improvement request: put the sketches in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/liqsketches, or something, cuz I reflashed, and lost all my data
Aug 10 10:31:44 <TTilus> and i'd like to know how can i survive 2-3 days
Aug 10 10:31:45 <GAN800> It should get 8-14 days on real standby
Aug 10 10:32:00 <TTilus> thats what ive been told, but mine does not  :(
Aug 10 10:32:10 <timely> TTilus: personally, i travel w/ ~5 batteries for my n800s :)
Aug 10 10:32:14 <timely> plus spare "chargers"
Aug 10 10:32:15 <TTilus> and it loses time when it dies
Aug 10 10:32:27 <crashanddie> it does ?
Aug 10 10:32:28 <crashanddie> wow
Aug 10 10:32:33 <GAN800> Don't dodgy stuff that eats cpu, put it in offline mode.
Aug 10 10:32:50 <timely> yeah, offline mode + lock screen
Aug 10 10:33:12 <qwerty12> Haha, nokia saw their mistake and should be renabling bluetooth audio service for the wimax tablet
Aug 10 10:33:22 <GAN800> timely, you still running Bora?
Aug 10 10:33:36 <crashanddie> TTilus, one thing you could do, is lock screen, like you always do, open an ssh session, and look at top to see if there's any app eating your CPU cycles
Aug 10 10:34:06 <TTilus> timely: spare chargers?
Aug 10 10:34:37 <timely> GAN800: i haven't updated any of my devices
Aug 10 10:34:42 <GAN800> lol
Aug 10 10:34:58 <GAN800> So, uh, early-2007 OS2007?
Aug 10 10:35:02 <timely> TTilus: i have a 770, 3 n800s,
Aug 10 10:35:08 <GAN800> How do you even use the thing?
Aug 10 10:35:08 <timely> GAN800: something like that
Aug 10 10:35:24 <timely> GAN800: when traveling i just need a basic web browser
Aug 10 10:35:34 <GAN800> The early Bora releases are pretty much as crappy as possible.
Aug 10 10:36:00 <GAN800> Opera? :P
Aug 10 10:36:02 <timely> TTilus: anyway, the devices i'm not using are just chargers :)
Aug 10 10:36:19 <timely> GAN800: one of them still has opera + microb(beta), and of course the 770 only has opera
Aug 10 10:36:37 <GAN800> :shudder:
Aug 10 10:36:42 <GAN800> ~flashing
Aug 10 10:36:43 <infobot> methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 10 10:36:52 <GAN800> ^ hop to it. :P
Aug 10 10:37:08 <timely> yeah sure...
Aug 10 10:37:15 <TTilus> GAN800: whats "dodgy stuff"?  ive installed maemomapper and ssh but nothing else
Aug 10 10:37:33 <GAN800> RSS home applet
Aug 10 10:37:54 <crashanddie> TTilus, do as I tell ya
Aug 10 10:38:32 <timely> oh yeah, get rid of the rss home applet
Aug 10 10:38:50 <timely> and if you don't use chat, you should probably make sure its various pieces are disabled
Aug 10 10:38:53 <timely> and that it doesn't have an account configured
Aug 10 10:39:10 <GAN800> I wish RSS didn't suck so much. I'd like to use it, but damn. . . .
Aug 10 10:39:34 <TTilus> crashanddie: you mean like ssh in n810 from another box or just open xterm and top?
Aug 10 10:40:06 <crashanddie> TTilus, ssh in the NIT from another box
Aug 10 10:40:15 <TTilus> crashanddie: or
Aug 10 10:40:19 <GAN800> Doing it locally with spike the cpu
Aug 10 10:40:20 <TTilus> damn
Aug 10 10:40:23 <TTilus> crashanddie: ok
Aug 10 10:43:00 <TTilus> crashanddie: in addition to the obvious top and sshd there are "OMAP McSPI/0" and "cx3110x" taking cpu, both under 1%
Aug 10 10:43:16 <crashanddie> hmm
Aug 10 10:44:26 <crashanddie> TTilus, do you have the wifi searching for networks all the time ?
Aug 10 10:45:08 <timely> also, do you have a flaky wifi basestation at any of your primary locations?
Aug 10 10:45:17 <timely> some basestations are known to kill poor devices dead
Aug 10 10:45:45 <timely> amusingly the  basestation used by nokians in the helsinki area for adsl was one of those :)
Aug 10 10:45:53 <crashanddie> heh
Aug 10 10:45:59 <crashanddie> well, "good for us"
Aug 10 10:46:07 <crashanddie> at least they noticed it right away :D
Aug 10 10:47:16 <TTilus> crashanddie: should not have, how do i check that, like for real check?
Aug 10 10:47:45 <timely> i can't remember when that was noticed/fixed
Aug 10 10:47:48 <crashanddie> click on the wifi icon, then "Connectivity Settings", then "Connect automatically"
Aug 10 10:47:48 <timely> or how it was fixed
Aug 10 10:48:03 <lcuk> crashanddie, i want the sketches (and everything else) to be in a database ideally.   first poweron should ask where
Aug 10 10:48:06 <crashanddie> TTilus, I've set mine to "Always ask"
Aug 10 10:48:13 <crashanddie> lcuk, fair enough
Aug 10 10:48:58 <TTilus> crashanddie: mine too has "always ask" in connection settings
Aug 10 10:49:05 <crashanddie> hmm
Aug 10 10:49:53 <crashanddie> TTilus, I don't know...
Aug 10 10:50:18 <crashanddie> TTilus, I mean, your CPU usage seems AOK, as does your wifi behaviour, I haven't seen anything else that could eat up the battery so fast
Aug 10 10:50:33 <crashanddie> maybe you just have a failing battery ?
Aug 10 10:51:15 <TTilus> and its not only the battery but the fact that the damn thing has like total amnesia when battery dies, and it always first asks for time and date
Aug 10 10:51:38 <TTilus> crashanddie: hum, batteries are cheap, should trie with another one
Aug 10 11:01:37 <roadies> mikko: GeneralAntillies and chelli:  Before I sign off here, thanks very much for allthe help
Aug 10 11:04:03 <mikkov_> roadies: use the link that I sent (to roadie ;))
Aug 10 11:04:17 <mikkov_> roadies: sorry old post ;)
Aug 10 11:05:17 <chelli> roadies: no problem :)
Aug 10 11:05:17 <roadies> mikkov_ not a problem... openvpn is downloaded via extras-devel.... building my cert's now..... thanks again
Aug 10 11:14:13 <liri> the clone OS script for a 2gb sd card uses the scheme of 128 swap, 128 fat and 128 for root partition. wouldn't it be more useful to create a 256mb swap partition?
Aug 10 11:14:24 <liri> I would think 128mb for swap would not be enough
Aug 10 11:14:59 <timely> um, how much ram do you have on your device?
Aug 10 11:15:16 <timely> some linux configurations can't really do particularly well w/ more swap than ram
Aug 10 11:15:22 <timely> and some user interfaces can't either
Aug 10 11:16:13 <liri> it's an N810 so 128mb ram
Aug 10 11:16:46 <zap> 256 won't be useful
Aug 10 11:17:06 <liri> so 128mb of swap is enough/ideal?
Aug 10 11:17:17 <zap> I'd say it's more than needed
Aug 10 11:17:25 <zap> but not that much to worry
Aug 10 11:17:25 <lcuk> no, 640kb is enough, more is ideal
Aug 10 11:17:54 <liri> lcuk: heh, well said
Aug 10 11:18:12 <liri> ok nice to know that 128mb would be ok
Aug 10 11:18:31 <liri> I'm also wondering why is it required to have the 128mb fat for /media/mmc2
Aug 10 11:23:02 <Stskeeps> liri: maemo complains otherwise :P
Aug 10 11:23:05 <Stskeeps> it can be less than 128 though
Aug 10 11:26:12 <rm_you> suck, i have to ship my computer tomorrow >_>
Aug 10 11:26:24 <rm_you> i'll be off and on for the next week as I travel
Aug 10 11:26:49 * rm_you is annoyed at the distinct lack of teleportation related technology
Aug 10 11:38:35 * lcuk has a pair of time travelling trousers
Aug 10 11:39:20 <timely> hrm
Aug 10 11:39:33 <timely> anyone know why planet.maemo.org sends me to http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo// (note the second slash)
Aug 10 11:39:59 <liri> Stskeeps: ahh ok
Aug 10 11:40:04 <liri> Stskeeps: 128mb is fine :)
Aug 10 11:40:18 <liri> Stskeeps: I'll give that clone os script a try, hope it doesn't do any harm to the current running os :)
Aug 10 12:03:05 <roadies> OK, your maemo developers are cool people !  I just downloaded the Apache webserver... what a cool thing, a web server on a tablet !  way way cool
Aug 10 12:07:20 <rm_you> wow, didn't know anyone had built apache for maemo <_<
Aug 10 12:07:36 <rm_you> figured it was a bit heavy, would prolly go with something like lighttpd
Aug 10 12:22:29 <rm_you> bbl
Aug 10 12:23:57 <Robot101> rm_you: apache is smaller than gtk dude :P
Aug 10 12:24:06 <rm_you> heh
Aug 10 12:24:17 <rm_you> but compared to lighttpd or something similar? <_<
Aug 10 12:24:49 * rm_you sleeps
Aug 10 12:25:03 <Robot101> aye its bigger, but it'll still work fine
Aug 10 12:32:00 <GNUton> hi
Aug 10 12:45:42 <RST38h> rm_you: packrat is down again
Aug 10 13:45:06 <crashanddie> Hi, can anyone check if they have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and if not, can they use the camera app ?
Aug 10 13:45:23 <crashanddie> because I don't have it, and I can't access the camera anymore
Aug 10 13:46:57 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: which camera app?
Aug 10 13:47:06 <crashanddie> erhm
Aug 10 13:47:09 <crashanddie> "camera" ?
Aug 10 13:47:12 <crashanddie> lol
Aug 10 13:47:21 <crashanddie> you know, the one to take pictures with ?
Aug 10 13:47:30 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, i have "videocamera"
Aug 10 13:47:32 <mikkov_> i have it and camera app works
Aug 10 13:49:06 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: i don't have it and video camera works. run cameratest in a terminal
Aug 10 13:49:25 <crashanddie> yeah, I get insertion problems with gstreamer
Aug 10 13:50:06 <crashanddie> http://slexy.org/raw/s21hs3Ma1u
Aug 10 13:50:55 <crashanddie> always good to see "cameratest[2563]: Should not come here --" in the debug output
Aug 10 13:51:24 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: that's odd. i don't have the ffmpeg thing installed
Aug 10 13:52:20 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, http://slexy.org/raw/s20qHMEiuE
Aug 10 13:52:29 <crashanddie> do you notice any difference with your NIT ?
Aug 10 13:53:55 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: http://slexy.org/view/s2u6Z8fDy9
Aug 10 13:56:10 <RST38h> "On the internet and in small meeting rooms in Britain and the US, flat earth believers get together to challenge the 'conspiracy' that the Earth is round.'"
Aug 10 13:56:12 <RST38h> Mhm
Aug 10 13:56:55 <RST38h> http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/
Aug 10 13:57:47 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: i'd click but i fear that link is stuck in the 1920's
Aug 10 13:58:26 <lcuk> RST38h, :D are you gonna join us then
Aug 10 13:59:00 <RST38h> no!
Aug 10 13:59:05 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, I added some -extra gstreamer packages, but still same problem... Weird
Aug 10 13:59:17 <RST38h> "What keeps the cylinder upright?" - their faq
Aug 10 13:59:21 <qwerty12_N800> I knew a northerner would support that... :p, always backward
Aug 10 13:59:37 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, so you believe that when you're on holiday ?
Aug 10 13:59:37 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: :/
Aug 10 14:01:02 <lcuk> if the world is a sphere how come its not difficult to walk northerly?   if we were round we would walk uphill
Aug 10 14:01:27 * lcuk might actually register at htis forum
Aug 10 14:02:27 <crashanddie> ok... this is... bad...
Aug 10 14:02:35 <crashanddie> I only found one reference to the error message I get..
Aug 10 14:02:37 <crashanddie> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=2119
Aug 10 14:02:47 <lcuk> just reflash and put apps on one by one
Aug 10 14:02:48 <crashanddie> And that's because the 770 doesn't have a hardware camera :/
Aug 10 14:02:57 <lcuk> its not major serious "the earth is round" type panid
Aug 10 14:02:58 <lcuk> c
Aug 10 14:03:28 <crashanddie> the earth isn't round
Aug 10 14:05:50 <lcuk> its "podgy" around the middle ;)
Aug 10 14:06:30 <RST38h> try to argue with them that the earth is in fact concave
Aug 10 14:06:40 <RST38h> with sun and moon at the middle
Aug 10 14:08:30 <crashanddie> if you want highly religious guy to believe in astronomy
Aug 10 14:08:59 <crashanddie> tell him the big bang *is* god, and that the whole universe comes from one central point, and that that point is god
Aug 10 14:09:11 <aquatix> :)
Aug 10 14:09:28 <crashanddie> usually, it'll shut them up for a few minutes
Aug 10 14:09:36 <crashanddie> enough to make a clean getaway
Aug 10 14:09:41 <aquatix> ghehehe
Aug 10 14:09:57 <crashanddie> timeless || timely ! NEED YOU
Aug 10 14:10:20 <crashanddie> oh, nevermind, /me reflashes
Aug 10 14:10:41 <RST38h> crash: it will not work
Aug 10 14:10:52 <crashanddie> it won't ?
Aug 10 14:11:04 <RST38h> crash: eventually they will find inconsistencies between this view and the bible and burn you at a stake
Aug 10 14:11:10 <crashanddie> ah
Aug 10 14:11:18 <crashanddie> I thought the reflashing wasn't going to work
Aug 10 14:11:42 <crashanddie> RST38h, yeah, may be so, but I'm a good runner, and I love a good fight :P
Aug 10 14:12:44 <RST38h> then just ask 'em why their drink faux human blood during their rites
Aug 10 14:13:04 <RST38h> and eat faux human flesh too
Aug 10 14:13:41 <crashanddie> it's not human
Aug 10 14:13:44 <crashanddie> that's the whole point
Aug 10 14:13:47 <crashanddie> it's supposed to be divine
Aug 10 14:14:08 <crashanddie> and that's why they eat low end potato chips, and sub par quality wine
Aug 10 14:14:28 <crashanddie> OK WTF
Aug 10 14:14:28 <crashanddie> Bootloader error log follows:
Aug 10 14:14:28 <crashanddie>   EP0 in RX state, but no incoming packet
Aug 10 14:14:28 <crashanddie>   Premature end of control transfer
Aug 10 14:15:47 <crashanddie> *phew* reflash worked
Aug 10 14:17:21 <lcuk> arghhhhhhhhhhh
Aug 10 14:17:36 <lcuk> i think i just lost the end of my elbow
Aug 10 14:17:45 <crashanddie> ouch
Aug 10 14:17:48 <crashanddie> where is it ?
Aug 10 14:17:59 <lcuk> ~lart chair being closer to desk than usual
Aug 10 14:17:59 * infobot makes a balloon animal out of chair being closer to desk than usual
Aug 10 14:18:03 * qwerty12_N800 spits out evidence
Aug 10 14:19:51 <lcuk> i hope i didnt knock your teef out wiv my elbowe
Aug 10 14:20:03 <lcuk> -e of course
Aug 10 14:20:50 <qwerty12_N800> nah, typical northerner, nothing there
Aug 10 14:22:34 <lcuk> so many things to do, and all of them require brain effort
Aug 10 14:22:49 <RST38h> crash: This reminds me of a joke where a jew tells the seller "I am not asking you what this fish is made of, I am asking you how much it costs"
Aug 10 14:23:35 <crashanddie> lcuk, reflashed, no apps installed, camera still dead
Aug 10 14:23:56 <lcuk> how are you testing camera?
Aug 10 14:24:11 <crashanddie> either using liqbase, or by installing the camera app
Aug 10 14:24:58 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: follow those pdfs on repairing the camera physically :> :D
Aug 10 14:25:12 <crashanddie> RST38h, yeah... I remember a variation of that... Some guy wants to buy flowers for a chick, goes down to a woman selling flowers "Good day to you sir, how much for 4 dozens of red roses ?" "$250" "No, erhm, I meant, how much time do they need to grow"
Aug 10 14:26:15 <lcuk> "hardware maintenance is outside our contract, if the peripheral is not working on a clean install using standard nokia signed applications and nothing else then you are out of luck
Aug 10 14:26:57 <crashanddie> that's fucked up
Aug 10 14:27:16 <lcuk> i dunno whats up wiv ur camera though, especially just after a flash it should all be nice and work unless something else is working
Aug 10 14:27:50 <lcuk> something else is getting in the way rather
Aug 10 14:28:12 <lcuk> did you just reflash, install camera and test it
Aug 10 14:28:18 <crashanddie> yup
Aug 10 14:30:01 <lcuk> remove meory cards etc?
Aug 10 14:30:04 <qwerty12_N800> i dunno why rtcomm upgrade is fucking up: the version it wants is here : http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo/pool/user/t/telepathy-haze/
Aug 10 14:30:17 <crashanddie> lcuk...
Aug 10 14:30:29 <lcuk> mmm
Aug 10 14:30:52 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: go a nokia authorised service center and tell them to run phoenix and choose the camera test
Aug 10 14:31:09 <RST38h> maybe it has not got indexed yet?
Aug 10 14:31:35 <crashanddie> anyone know where the camera is mounted in the fs ?
Aug 10 14:32:17 <qwerty12_N800> mounted? tut tut, /dev/video0
Aug 10 14:32:32 <crashanddie> nothing
Aug 10 14:33:08 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: it may have got disconnected inside, did your drop it?
Aug 10 14:33:16 <qwerty12_N800> *you
Aug 10 14:33:56 <crashanddie> not that I know of
Aug 10 14:36:25 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: updated it myself with the deb and rtcomm 2.4 installed fine
Aug 10 14:36:31 <crashanddie> :/
Aug 10 14:36:46 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, what's that phoenix shit ?
Aug 10 14:37:06 <crashanddie> and where the hell is there an authorised service center in SE london ?
Aug 10 14:38:52 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: phoenix is an internal flasher for bb5 based products. i have a cracked copy but you need special nokia equipment to use it with an n8x0 :(
Aug 10 14:39:09 <crashanddie> ok
Aug 10 14:39:50 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: nokia has a store locator on their site. my nearest one is in romford :/
Aug 10 14:40:13 <crashanddie> http://www.apps.nokia.co.uk/clubnokiaservice/ :/
Aug 10 14:43:40 <crashanddie> shit
Aug 10 14:43:46 <crashanddie> closest is halfway to waterloo
Aug 10 14:43:54 <crashanddie> phuket
Aug 10 14:47:28 <lcuk> crashanddie, many miles from you?
Aug 10 14:47:49 <crashanddie> quite
Aug 10 14:50:56 <t_s_o> weird, if i use the power button to boot diablo while its turned of and charging i get a white screen. if i then hit the power button again i get the dialog way up in the upper right corner...
Aug 10 14:52:58 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie: if you wanna have a go yourself, read original for the l1 + l2 and l3 + l4 n810 service guide
Aug 10 14:53:02 <Stskeeps> t_s_o: does the charger icon move?
Aug 10 14:53:08 <t_s_o> yes
Aug 10 14:53:16 <Stskeeps> powerlaunch installed by chance?
Aug 10 14:53:22 <t_s_o> nope
Aug 10 14:53:36 <t_s_o> stopped using it after i was told i could edit a file to get reboot in the native menu ;)
Aug 10 14:54:01 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, systemui.xml
Aug 10 14:55:06 <Stskeeps> i should really just uninstall that too.. i have some many bloody problems with it
Aug 10 14:55:58 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yeah, my alarms and lock on bootup wouldn't work with that. someone should point Austin Che to the rtcomm repo :/
Aug 10 14:56:37 <Stskeeps> powerlaunch was good to get DSME info though
Aug 10 14:57:28 <t_s_o> hmm, seems the diablo kernel could support the huawei E220 3G modem. that is, if it has usbserial compiled in...
Aug 10 14:58:13 <qwerty12> usbserial as module works fine
Aug 10 15:00:14 <Stskeeps> i'd kill for a 3g modem with internal battery so it didn't drain too much usb power
Aug 10 15:00:17 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 10 15:01:57 <t_s_o> qwerty12: i should have guessed that someone had tried it ;)
Aug 10 15:02:12 <t_s_o> Stskeeps: thats known as a mobile phone :P
Aug 10 15:02:49 <Stskeeps> t_s_o: yeah.. but in smaller size - i don't need a screen or a UI or keyboard
Aug 10 15:03:14 <Stskeeps> if nokia sold something like that as accesory to n8x0, they'd get rich
Aug 10 15:03:15 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 10 15:03:45 <Kegetys> well if you carry a phone anyway you might as well use that as the modem too
Aug 10 15:04:24 <t_s_o> hmm, i know nokia have something like that but im not sure if its 3G enabled or have bluetooth...
Aug 10 15:06:13 <t_s_o> or had, it seems to have dropped of their devices page (same page that still shows the 770 btw, weird)
Aug 10 15:07:21 <t_s_o> ah, it was older then i recalled, and not 3G enabled. and discontinued for that matter...
Aug 10 15:08:01 <pupnik> someone did pair a umts 3g modem with n800 and battery pack, iirc
Aug 10 15:08:18 <pupnik> or maybe a 770
Aug 10 15:31:07 <Proteous> 3g realy eats the juice
Aug 10 15:34:06 <Proteous> I can keep my edge connection on all day, most phones will only run a UMTS connection for a few hours
Aug 10 15:36:19 <Proteous> proFontWindows is a cool font for irssi on the tablet
Aug 10 16:07:02 <RST38h> The West Virginia DMV granted a religious exemption to a a small group of West Virginia eschatophobes, who fear that digital storage of their drivers license photos is setting up a "mark of the beast" scenario.
Aug 10 16:07:31 <RST38h> South Windsor police arrested Almighty Supremebeing Allah Thursday night... Almighty Supremebeing Allah, who lives in West Hartford, was accused of cocaine possession with intent to sell.
Aug 10 16:08:36 <zap> crude but effective
Aug 10 16:10:13 <RST38h> "A police investigation into the sexual assault and death of several sheep has been hampered because their main suspect has a twin brother who could also be behind the attacks" due to identical DNA.
Aug 10 16:10:51 <t_s_o> :S
Aug 10 16:11:05 <qwerty12> Some fucked people...
Aug 10 16:11:23 <t_s_o> heh, something tells me the press loves to write about it...
Aug 10 16:12:39 <pupnik> good to know Proteous - i wasn't aware umts took so much juice
Aug 10 16:12:55 <pupnik> < pondering dropping the dsl
Aug 10 16:13:27 <t_s_o> im guessing its related to the frequency used. from what i understand, there are plans to move umts to the gsm bands at some point...
Aug 10 16:13:41 <t_s_o> dont know if there is any current phone that would support that tho...
Aug 10 16:17:02 <Cptnodegard> since this is the biggest collection of linux geeks in my vicinity ATM, does anyone have anythign bads to say about the acer aspire one/linpus lite?
Aug 10 16:19:57 <t_s_o> cant say as i have yet to get my hands on one. but i tried the linpus lite live cd, and it could not figure out my ati hardware...
Aug 10 16:20:18 <Stskeeps> Cptnodegard: i loathe any acer machinery.. they're bloody impossible
Aug 10 16:20:18 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 10 16:20:52 <Stskeeps> always had problem with their hardware
Aug 10 16:21:34 <Cptnodegard> lol
Aug 10 16:21:52 <Cptnodegard> well hardware issues wont be...an issue...with the aa1 as its made for it
Aug 10 16:24:48 * qwerty12 debates whether to put in the time to port the ck patches: http://members.optushome.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
Aug 10 16:33:08 <lbt> qwerty12: hi - have a look at https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting and see if I missed anything...
Aug 10 16:33:35 <lbt> and I thought ck had stopped his kernel work?
Aug 10 16:33:47 <pupnik> is linpus the worst distro name ever?
Aug 10 16:34:27 <Stskeeps> anything involving pus in it's name is bad
Aug 10 16:34:28 <Stskeeps> (puss)
Aug 10 16:34:44 <lbt> oh I don't know about *anything*
Aug 10 16:34:54 <qwerty12> lbt: hi, You may want to make a note to remind the user to change MENU_2 in MENU_2_FBMODE="auto". rest seems fine.
Aug 10 16:35:07 <qwerty12> lbt: yeah, but his patches for 2.6.21 still work
Aug 10 16:39:06 <lbt> Chinook doesn't seem to want to boot from a Diablo initfs :(
Aug 10 16:40:06 <qwerty12> I used an chinook initfs on a diablo rootfs. To force mce not to shutdown the device, I had to enable no-lifeguard-reset
Aug 10 16:40:11 <lbt> got the chinook fs mounted, init ran, the blue bar got 80% across - and then it freezes for 10secs and does an orderly shutdown
Aug 10 16:40:26 <qwerty12> Of course, wifi didn't work in diablo with an chinook initfs
Aug 10 16:41:07 <lbt> that'd be OK - I just wanted to setup test environments
Aug 10 16:43:53 <lbt> can I set no-lifeguard-reset using the cal-tool(?)
Aug 10 16:44:24 <qwerty12> no, flasher-3.0 only
Aug 10 16:44:43 <qwerty12> cal-tool can set some values but no-lifeguard-reset isn't one of them
Aug 10 16:44:51 <lbt> 'k
Aug 10 16:45:12 <Cptnodegard> Veggen, you wouldnt happen to know how to get a norwegian KB to work with USB?
Aug 10 16:45:28 <lbt> do you think it is needed for the problem I described?
Aug 10 16:45:53 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: can't you just plug it in? I believe bluetooth keyboard settings in control panel lets you change layout of usb keyboard.
Aug 10 16:45:54 <t_s_o> hmm, it seems there is a rtcomm update out...
Aug 10 16:45:56 <qwerty12> lbt: it was for me
Aug 10 16:46:11 <qwerty12> t_s_o: forced an update, still can't tell what is new :/
Aug 10 16:46:33 <t_s_o> seems its having trouble with haze...
Aug 10 16:46:40 <t_s_o> telepathy-haze that is
Aug 10 16:47:00 <qwerty12> I installed -haze manually: http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo/pool/user/t/telepathy-haze/
Aug 10 16:47:14 <qwerty12> after that, update worked
Aug 10 16:49:44 <t_s_o> heh, my collabora entry was still set to chinook, i wonder if that could have an effect
Aug 10 16:50:02 <qwerty12> I changed it to diablo, nothing changed
Aug 10 16:50:19 <Cptnodegard> nice, worked, thanks qwerty12 :D
Aug 10 16:50:29 <t_s_o> hmm, seems the chinook subdirs are set up different then the diablo one
Aug 10 16:50:33 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: cool :)
Aug 10 16:50:45 <t_s_o> diablo only has user, not haze and others like chinook
Aug 10 16:51:19 <qwerty12> Hmm, didn't see that, I'll add a duplicate entry for chinook
Aug 10 16:52:33 <RST38h> t_s_o: Oh
Aug 10 16:53:09 <t_s_o> heh, going diablo and user made a libpurple update show up as well ;)
Aug 10 16:53:31 * qwerty12 is waiting for kernel with op_mode patch, rotation patch, brightness changing patch, 48Mhz mmc. japanese radio patch, musb fix patch to compile. I'll attack the ck patches tomorrow. 
Aug 10 16:53:48 <Cptnodegard> has ther ebeen a slution to the problem with USB kb dismount not re-emabling on screen kb?
Aug 10 16:54:04 <zap> qwerty12: what is 'musb fix patch' ?
Aug 10 16:54:36 <qwerty12> zap: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3026 - I believe you already commented on it. Nothing to do with usbnet :(
Aug 10 16:54:58 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: something about using gconf tool from personal menu to untick a value. I think its on planet maemo somewhere
Aug 10 16:55:40 <t_s_o> Cptnodegard: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=163217&postcount=17
Aug 10 16:55:52 <qwerty12> Typical, forget one #endif and the whole thing stops :/
Aug 10 16:56:07 <lbt> qwerty12: so that didn't help - it just hung for longer unil I power cycled it...
Aug 10 16:56:37 <qwerty12> :(
Aug 10 16:56:42 <lbt> ;(
Aug 10 16:57:50 <t_s_o> ah, never mind. seems you had allready seen that thread, and your question about a solution was more a question about a final fix from nokia or similar
Aug 10 16:58:15 <Cptnodegard> thank you qwerty12 and t_s_o! if i were to add a item to personal-launch with the command for enabling the KB, would that work?
Aug 10 16:58:48 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: yep, it should do. I know people use it with osso-statusbar-cpu fine
Aug 10 16:58:54 <t_s_o> think so, yes. never tried as i use the graphical gconf editor to fix it if it happens :P
Aug 10 16:59:10 <qwerty12> True, I use gconf-editor too :P
Aug 10 16:59:33 <t_s_o> basically i have not seen it happen enough to warrant its own icon in launcher
Aug 10 17:00:16 <Cptnodegard> it happens everytime if you use USB kb, at least with me
Aug 10 17:00:21 <qwerty12> trickie: this would be a nice thing in community kernels: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/
Aug 10 17:01:57 <trickie> qwerty12: make a patch for me?
Aug 10 17:01:59 <Cptnodegard> do i have to check "run in terminal" then?
Aug 10 17:02:05 <Cptnodegard> for it to work
Aug 10 17:02:25 <trickie> qwerty12: im lazy, don't have the sources atm
Aug 10 17:02:41 <qwerty12> trickie: I can try, my diff skills are weird
Aug 10 17:02:53 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: shouldn't need to, gconftool doesn't require user input
Aug 10 17:03:06 <t_s_o> hmm, a modest update as well. there goes the multiaccount gui i guess :S
Aug 10 17:03:21 <dannym> hi :)
Aug 10 17:03:34 <qwerty12> hello dannym
Aug 10 17:03:58 <dannym> qwerty12: ah, hi :)
Aug 10 17:04:31 <t_s_o> Cptnodegard: if your using a usb keyboard, make sure to unplug the keyboard from the converter before you unplug that from the tablet
Aug 10 17:04:31 <dannym> qwerty12: I was wondering, what's the difference between the "usb_modeswitch" you ported and the (Option) "rezero" program?
Aug 10 17:04:41 <trickie> qwerty12: no worries, i can do it later
Aug 10 17:04:45 <dannym> qwerty12: Is "usb_modeswitch" more generic or something?
Aug 10 17:05:15 <qwerty12> trickie: sorry. last time I tried, I had a patch that wouldn't apply. :(
Aug 10 17:05:22 <qwerty12> dannym: I think so, lemme see
Aug 10 17:05:47 <qwerty12> "This utility works differently to the excellent usb_modeswitch, it supports only the Option devices and it will support multiple Option devices. "
Aug 10 17:06:22 <qwerty12> t_s_o: I wouldn't update modest. It's the same version number.
Aug 10 17:06:45 <t_s_o> hmm, ok? seems it found it impossible to update anyways...
Aug 10 17:06:53 <Cptnodegard> wohoohohohohohoh it work s:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D thanks again people, youre lifesavers (actually $800 savers as i dont need a aspire one now)
Aug 10 17:07:18 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: lol, you were going to buy an aspire to use an usb keyboard? :D
Aug 10 17:07:32 <t_s_o> bah, i keep having chinook overlaps :S
Aug 10 17:07:53 <t_s_o> i should really clean out my repo list
Aug 10 17:08:00 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, == Section == is the top level section header, not = Section =
Aug 10 17:08:19 <dannym> qwerty12: I see... hmm, might make sense to use usb_modeswitch then (and put it into a package of its own) rather than hacking up the new HSO debian package with rezero :)
Aug 10 17:08:42 <Cptnodegard> qwerty12: no to get a working norwegian keyboard and not have to reboot the device to switch back. yes, i know, bad reason to spend that much money but ive made $1520 at work this work instead of taking my vacation so i want a need toy ragardless
Aug 10 17:09:08 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: Ah :)
Aug 10 17:09:09 <Cptnodegard> work = week
Aug 10 17:09:10 <dannym> qwerty12: I registered garage project "modem" (and SVN directory).. do you want to put yuor "usb_modeswitch" there, too?
Aug 10 17:09:11 <lbt> GeneralAntilles: OK
Aug 10 17:09:12 <dannym> your*
Aug 10 17:09:16 <t_s_o> seems changing my modest repo from chinook to diablo made the modest update go away. guess its there for those that still want to use chinook
Aug 10 17:09:43 <qwerty12> dannym: sure, I can put usb_modeswitch there sometime. Do you think I should package it?
Aug 10 17:10:08 <GeneralAntilles> Gb == Gigabits
Aug 10 17:10:29 <RST38h> Should I install Collabora's version of Pidgin or should I stay away from the sucker?
Aug 10 17:10:30 <dannym> qwerty12: yeah, it would be nice to eventually have everything in a nice normal Extras debian binary package... :)
Aug 10 17:10:34 <RST38h> It is 20+MB
Aug 10 17:10:42 <RST38h> The original one is just 5+MB
Aug 10 17:11:13 <dannym> qwerty12: and I think since "usb_modeswitch" is pretty generic it should go into its own package (since otherwise there would be conflicts if multiple drivers tried to install the same file :D)
Aug 10 17:11:44 <qwerty12> dannym: yeah :D
Aug 10 17:11:57 <qwerty12> I'll see if debian carry a package first, save me time :P
Aug 10 17:12:19 <t_s_o> ah, i see now. as modest is part of the firmware now, there is no need for the modest repo outside of chinook. stupid me...
Aug 10 17:12:33 <qwerty12> Ugh, I have to use such an ugly hack to unmount my mmc :(
Aug 10 17:13:16 <dannym> does anyone else have trouble after doing "apt-get update" in scratchbox (chinook) ?
Aug 10 17:13:43 <lbt> dannym: just recently - or ever?
Aug 10 17:13:57 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, Pidgin or rtcomm?
Aug 10 17:13:58 <dannym> recently...
Aug 10 17:14:27 <lbt> lemmesee
Aug 10 17:15:08 <dannym> a few days ago I updated (first time for a long time) and now I got a file fight between package "debianutils" and "passwd" for file "/usr/sbin/add-shell" ...
Aug 10 17:15:27 <dannym> (or is there a "diablo" scratchbox repository? I'm not insisting on using "chinook" ;))
Aug 10 17:16:01 <dannym> (and once there is any file conflict, apt-get seems to refuse to do anything until the conflict is fixed... :()
Aug 10 17:16:19 <RST38h> GAN: Pidgin
Aug 10 17:16:28 <RST38h> I installed new RTComm already
Aug 10 17:17:15 <lbt> mine seems OK
Aug 10 17:17:54 <dannym> lbt: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/add-shell" say for your Scratchbox?
Aug 10 17:18:20 <qwerty12> dannym: diablo sdk scratchbox: debianutils: /usr/sbin/add-shell
Aug 10 17:18:22 <lbt> I think it would be nice to see a wiki page showing the various sources.list entries that should be setup for scratchboxes
Aug 10 17:18:36 <lbt> debianutils: /usr/sbin/add-shell
Aug 10 17:18:47 <lbt> (CHINOOK_ARMEL btw)
Aug 10 17:18:59 <qwerty12> dannym: this will take some time. usb_modeswitch doesn't use makefile but "compile.sh" script. I will make a quick Makefile
Aug 10 17:19:22 <dannym> qwerty12: hmm... what's the "sources.list" for diablo sdk scratchbox? last time I tried to put "diablo" there it said it didn't exist...
Aug 10 17:19:52 <lbt> yeah - that's why a wiki page would be nice...
Aug 10 17:20:01 <lbt> WTF is it this week
Aug 10 17:20:22 <qwerty12> dannym: http://slexy.org/view/s2IPQ9vrlG
Aug 10 17:21:01 <dannym> qwerty12: yeah, no hurry... as you can see my build env is botchered for some reason and so having a proper modem autocompilable driver package will take some time anyway :)
Aug 10 17:21:21 <qwerty12> :)
Aug 10 17:21:38 * qwerty12 steals lcuk's Makefile
Aug 10 17:21:42 <dannym> hehehe
Aug 10 17:22:16 * dannym steals qwery12's pastebin text and puts it on a new wiki page
Aug 10 17:22:32 <lcuk> !oi
Aug 10 17:22:42 <qwerty12> dannym: lol
Aug 10 17:22:46 <qwerty12> lcuk: :p
Aug 10 17:22:47 <lcuk> that make file has special sauce
Aug 10 17:23:02 <lbt> too late - it's GPL !
Aug 10 17:23:04 <lcuk> thanks for adding it qwerty12
Aug 10 17:23:08 <qwerty12> lcuk: I'm ripping it out, all this program needs is gcc -l usb -o usb_modeswitch usb_modeswitch.c :P
Aug 10 17:23:12 <qwerty12> lcuk: np :)
Aug 10 17:23:19 <lcuk> lol lbt, qwerty12 has already added stuff
Aug 10 17:34:19 <dannym> <http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories>
Aug 10 17:35:27 <qwerty12_N800> dannym: "deb file:/home/*faheem*/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1 diablo explicit" ;)
Aug 10 17:36:25 <lbt> I'm very close on this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Multi-boot but I'm stuck. If anyone else cares about setting up a multiboot test environment then please take a look :)
Aug 10 17:36:27 <dannym> qwerty12_N800: yeah, saw that just now ;) removing the line :)
Aug 10 17:36:45 <dannym> qwerty12_N800: thanks ^^
Aug 10 17:36:56 <qwerty12_N800> dannym: np :)
Aug 10 17:38:38 <zach_> anyone know how to format an sd card?
Aug 10 17:39:39 <dannym> zach_: um... no, it's not magnetic :) but you can create a new filesystem with "mkfs" on one of its partitions or something...
Aug 10 17:39:47 <dannym> {/nitpicky}
Aug 10 17:39:50 * dannym hides
Aug 10 17:40:00 <lbt> https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card
Aug 10 17:40:41 <qwerty12_N800> the file manager can do it, if you are formatting it to ext* then resort to the command line
Aug 10 17:42:25 <qwerty12_N800> makefile variables are there to drive me crazy
Aug 10 17:42:57 <dannym> qwerty12_N800: hehe, try MSVC nmake... you'll be ready to throw the computer out of the window in no time :->
Aug 10 17:43:17 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Aug 10 17:43:22 <lcuk> you need to undefine  NORTHERNGRIT before trying to deploy it.  infact, you could just use the southern_jessie target
Aug 10 17:44:24 <dannym> oh great. I can't dist-upgrade before fixing the file fight either :(
Aug 10 17:44:49 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: at least in the south i'm prepared to use diablo_armel :p
Aug 10 17:45:09 * lcuk is happy with his helicopter OS
Aug 10 17:45:13 <dannym> lbt: What does your Scratchbox say about "dpkg -l passwd"?
Aug 10 17:45:21 <qwerty12_N800> dannym: post your error messages
Aug 10 17:46:05 <lbt> ii  passwd                      4.0.3-31sarge5.osso8        change and administer password and group data
Aug 10 17:46:29 <t_s_o> hmm, seems that while the modest package has a slight number bump, i cant get it to update...
Aug 10 17:46:43 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: ... until it crashes
Aug 10 17:46:52 <dannym> qwerty12_N800: <http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories#Warning>
Aug 10 17:47:13 <t_s_o> crap, now i see why...
Aug 10 17:47:16 <t_s_o> stupid me
Aug 10 17:47:18 <qwerty12_N800> dannym: quick fix is coming up
Aug 10 17:47:35 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, the only thing i can do to make it crash is code liqbase badly
Aug 10 17:48:08 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: i assume that's always happening?
Aug 10 17:48:25 <lcuk> heh, no
Aug 10 17:48:45 <dannym> lbt: mine says "ii  passwd              4.0.3-31sarge5.osso change and administer password and group data"...
Aug 10 17:49:01 <dannym> lbt: looks like it's cutting my field? or does it? *wonders*
Aug 10 17:49:05 <lcuk> dannym, you anret in sb then? just regular console?
Aug 10 17:49:06 <t_s_o> heh, even using apt-get it didnt work. conflict with modest-l10n
Aug 10 17:50:00 <dannym> lcuk: in the console in Scratchbox. My host system is Gentoo so I can't really confuse them ;)
Aug 10 17:50:16 <lcuk> dannym, dont worry its my eyes that need upgrading
Aug 10 17:50:37 <qwerty12_N800> dannym: apt-get install passwd; dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge5.osso7_i386.deb; apt-get install --reinstall debianutils
Aug 10 17:51:36 <qwerty12_N800> you may need to do dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils<tab> after the --REINSTALL
Aug 10 17:51:45 <qwerty12_N800> *--reinstall
Aug 10 17:52:00 <qwerty12_N800> ~lart hildon-input-method
Aug 10 17:52:00 * infobot strangles hildon-input-method with a 9-pole serial cable
Aug 10 17:53:09 <t_s_o> :P
Aug 10 17:54:08 <RST38h> again, again please!
Aug 10 17:54:16 <RST38h> until it is dead!
Aug 10 17:55:05 <lcuk> wont that raise neck_break() events?
Aug 10 17:55:06 <dannym> hehehe
Aug 10 17:56:05 <RST38h> lcuk: events be damned
Aug 10 18:00:39 <zach_> hmm "apt-get install e2fsprogs"..it says it may be obsolete or availiable from another source
Aug 10 18:01:44 <qwerty12_N800> dannym: got the Makefile sorted. just need to fix the install: section and remove the northerner stuff :p
Aug 10 18:02:52 <dannym> qwerty12_N800: cool :)
Aug 10 18:03:21 <dannym> (*mumbles* what's a northerner?)
Aug 10 18:03:50 <qwerty12_N800> dannym: lcuk :D
Aug 10 18:04:03 <lbt> he's not alone you know
Aug 10 18:04:11 <lbt> damned pansy suverners
Aug 10 18:06:00 <dannym> weeeird :)
Aug 10 18:06:19 <qwerty12_N800> yep they are :p
Aug 10 18:06:35 * qwerty12_N800 pretends i'm not from w.yorkshire
Aug 10 18:08:52 * dannym pretends he's not from Wien :)
Aug 10 18:09:14 <qwerty12_N800> Thats Vienna right?
Aug 10 18:09:28 <qwerty12_N800> well in English afaik
Aug 10 18:09:50 <RST38h> Should be  Vienna...
Aug 10 18:09:54 <dannym> qwerty12_N800: yep :) although I usually don't say that anymore because there's a "Vienna" in the US or something ;)
Aug 10 18:10:34 <dannym> qwerty12_N800: found out my typing "Vienna" in Google Maps and it telling me like 8013km... "swim across the atlantic" ;)
Aug 10 18:10:37 <RST38h> Washington DC suburb
Aug 10 18:10:43 <qwerty12_N800> dannym: :), lol
Aug 10 18:10:46 <RST38h> been there
Aug 10 18:10:47 <dannym> by*
Aug 10 18:11:26 <dannym> RST38h: oic :)
Aug 10 18:11:26 <pupnik> dannym: do you like Wien?  anything to recommend it as a place to live?
Aug 10 18:11:45 * pupnik is considering moving there
Aug 10 18:12:39 <dannym> pupnik: depends on the district... it's huge... (overall I like it)
Aug 10 18:13:06 <pupnik> i had a chance to see the huge t-systems building, but not much else
Aug 10 18:13:18 * RST38h just remembers marzipan chocolate bars from his short visit to Wien airport
Aug 10 18:13:38 <RST38h> Those were good though =)
Aug 10 18:15:13 <dannym> pupnik: didn't see the Prater yet? :) The original rollercoaster rides and other puke-inducing (the good kind) attractions ... check it out ;)
Aug 10 18:16:22 <zach_> Is it possible to format an sd card via usb on a desktop from a n800?
Aug 10 18:17:48 <dannym> zach_: you mean the SD card is in the N800 and the N800 is in device mode, connected to the PC... and you want the PC to "format" it?
Aug 10 18:17:58 <zach_> i mounted my n800 on my desktop...umounted and did "mkdosfs /dev/sdcard"
Aug 10 18:18:05 <zach_> on my desktop
Aug 10 18:18:17 <dannym> zach_: yeah, should work.
Aug 10 18:18:33 <zach_> it did...it deleted my files and shows up as "vfat"
Aug 10 18:18:34 <dannym> zach_: (I never tried without partitions btw)
Aug 10 18:18:42 <zach_> but...
Aug 10 18:19:30 * qwerty12_N800 will dh_make usb_modeswitch tomorrow, and if it works, send off the Makefile to the original author
Aug 10 18:19:31 <zach_> when the sd card is mounted on my n800..(it is 2gb)..it shows up as 120mb and none of my files
Aug 10 18:19:50 <zach_> are shown on it
Aug 10 18:20:42 <dannym> zach_: weird... is it an SDHC card? What does "dmesg" say it found?
Aug 10 18:20:46 <dannym> zach_: (on the N800)
Aug 10 18:20:59 <zach_> no not a sdhc..just a little sd micro
Aug 10 18:24:13 * dannym has a 2GB Kingston RS-MMC with an adapter next to the N800 battery, works fine (all 2GB) with both Chinook and Diablo
Aug 10 18:25:06 <zach_> well i cloned os2008 on mine so that i could install KDE
Aug 10 18:26:52 * qwerty12_N800 hopes uk police broadcast on japanese fm radio frequencies
Aug 10 18:27:02 <dannym> zach_: check "dmesg" output whether it's already misdetecting the device itself or whether it's messing up the filesystem.
Aug 10 18:27:28 <dannym> pupnik: Wien has a lot of trees and clean water (very clean water) and as such doesn't feel as "concrete desert" as, say, [parts of] Munich...
Aug 10 18:28:10 <dannym> pupnik: note that a lot of buildings are old (as in OOOLD) so be careful when choosing a residence :D
Aug 10 18:31:09 <zach_> dannym, dmesg doesn't anything about it o.o
Aug 10 18:31:33 <zach_> well
Aug 10 18:31:39 <zach_> a little bit but nothing useful
Aug 10 18:32:22 <dannym> zach_: then check /sys/block/<whatever_device_it_is>/size
Aug 10 18:35:42 <qwerty12_N800> http://sds.hpvisualradio.com/sdsweb/Search.do - where the nokia fmradio gets its channel list from
Aug 10 18:54:21 <qwerty12_N800> ok, now i know my router isn't dodgy in regards to ssh. i just tried sshing into my account at a webhost and it stays stuck forever after entering the password. on my desktop, sshing there works. when i ssh to my tablet from my desktop, it gets stuck on the password
Aug 10 18:56:01 <lbt> ssh -vvv <host>
Aug 10 18:58:51 <qwerty12_N800> ta, after entering password: http://slexy.org/view/s2PYQ4piBh
Aug 10 19:01:09 <qwerty12_N800> now i'm getting debug2: client_check_window_change: changed and debug2: channel 0: request window-change confirm 0 repeatedly
Aug 10 19:01:23 <lbt> you get : debug2: channel 0: request shell confirm 0
Aug 10 19:01:33 <lbt> on success I get: debug2: channel 0: request shell confirm 1
Aug 10 19:02:17 <lbt> my last few debugs b4 sucess http://slexy.org/view/s20gOHRdS6
Aug 10 19:02:30 <qwerty12_N800> thanks
Aug 10 19:03:30 <lbt> like this : http://slexy.org/view/s20jtIngWg
Aug 10 19:03:44 <lbt> I get that when I resize the 'xterm' window
Aug 10 19:04:16 <lbt> it stops when I stop resizing
Aug 10 19:07:40 <qwerty12_N800> i think those resizing messages may be when hildon-input-method pops up. but it gives up after: debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768
Aug 10 19:12:31 <lbt> http://www.networksecurityarchive.org/html/Secure-Shell/2007-01/msg00038.html
Aug 10 19:12:37 <lbt> running out of ptys?
Aug 10 19:13:01 <lbt> that's a kernel config that I've been bitten on b4
Aug 10 19:14:13 <qwerty12_N800> it shouldn't be. i've googled and it seems to be an dns error as sshing in from the tablet to 127.0.0.1 works (although not from my computer to tablet)
Aug 10 19:16:22 <acydlord> holy snap, a Ti flash is like $160
Aug 10 19:16:30 <acydlord> flask^
Aug 10 19:22:45 <dannym> ok, dist-upgraded to Diablo... and now:
Aug 10 19:22:48 <dannym> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/passwd_1%3a4.0.3-31sarge5.osso8_i386.deb (--unpack):
Aug 10 19:22:48 <dannym>  trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/remove-shell', which is also in package debianutils
Aug 10 19:23:01 <dannym> how... new... *bangs head on keyboard*
Aug 10 19:24:18 <dannym> (fixed it the same way as before :))
Aug 10 19:29:10 <liri> what key is to be pressed and hold to access the boot menu? it's running so fast I couldn't read it
Aug 10 19:37:38 <qwerty12_N800> openssh is still pissing me around. i've disabled dnsmasq to no avail. i'll build a proper openssh from cvs tommorow
Aug 10 19:54:31 <GeneralAntilles> liri, the menu key
Aug 10 20:05:28 <liri> GeneralAntilles: thanks, got it :)
Aug 10 20:06:04 <liri> GeneralAntilles: I've set with cal-tool ask:mmc2 although I want to remove the boot menu itself (it's there for 30 seconds and that's too long for  me) but leave the default mmc2 root partition
Aug 10 20:06:12 <liri> GeneralAntilles: any pointers on that?
Aug 10 20:06:23 <Cptnodegard> does abiword read .doc?
Aug 10 20:07:46 <dannym> Cptnodegard: depends on which ".doc". There are about 5 formats (that I know) that have ".doc" as file name ending.
Aug 10 20:08:12 <dannym> Cptnodegard: try "file -bi whatever.doc" and see what it says :)
Aug 10 20:08:44 <liri> is it just required to change the timeout option in /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh ?
Aug 10 20:09:39 <liri> ahh, it's a read-only filesystem too
Aug 10 20:11:29 <t_s_o> so, given the new modest package for chinook, is there some updates for diablo right around the corner?
Aug 10 20:13:32 <RST38bis> you should ask nokia that
Aug 10 20:13:34 <liri> ok got that boot menu resolved
Aug 10 20:13:58 <t_s_o> RST38bis: heh, true
Aug 10 20:15:09 <RST38bis> last thing i know, they have blamed modest crashes and hangups on a kernel problem
Aug 10 20:15:11 <Cptnodegard> dannym, whatever word 2003 spits out by default.
Aug 10 20:16:08 <Stskeeps> RST38bis: is Modest like heavily threaded or something?
Aug 10 20:16:24 <RST38bis> yep
Aug 10 20:16:25 <dannym> Cptnodegard: I've no idea, I'm afraid... try it :)
Aug 10 20:16:35 <RST38bis> using futexes too
Aug 10 20:17:14 <Cptnodegard> just did, just got a lot of ?????????'s
Aug 10 20:17:20 <Stskeeps> what happened to good old single threaded programs and poll()..
Aug 10 20:17:37 <Stskeeps> after using thunderbird and modest for a bit, i feel like going back to using mutt
Aug 10 20:17:37 <RST38bis> i made a suggestion to use software semaphores or some other mechanism and got brushed off
Aug 10 20:18:24 <t_s_o> Stskeeps: im tempted to reply that they where pushed out to pasture...
Aug 10 20:18:24 <RST38bis> and futexes are not properly implemented on arm
Aug 10 20:20:22 <Stskeeps> ah
Aug 10 20:21:19 <Stskeeps> and yeah, why not just use pthread semaphores :P
Aug 10 20:21:56 <Stskeeps> which reminds me.. where the hell is my pthreads book
Aug 10 20:22:08 <Stskeeps> ah, there
Aug 10 20:22:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 10 20:26:22 <liri> I previously saw that the N810 detected one of my laptop shares on the network, I think in the File Manager but I can't find it again
Aug 10 20:27:24 <zap> hmm... just noticed that diablo/control in kernel source packags says "Flashable Linux kernel for RX-34, RX-44, RX-48 hardware"
Aug 10 20:28:11 <zap> bah, debian/control not diablo/control :)
Aug 10 20:35:14 <dannym> finally, after 2 days and about 200 commands, "cdbs" is installed and I can use "dpkg-buildpackage". phiiew..
Aug 10 20:35:44 <Stskeeps> ow, isaac hayes/Chef died :(
Aug 10 20:36:07 <dannym> thanks lbt, qwerty12, lcuk :)
Aug 10 20:36:22 * dannym will try to get some sleep now for a change :)
Aug 10 20:38:33 <zap> cdbs rulez
Aug 10 20:39:03 <zap> was it any more complex than just apt-get install cdbs?
Aug 10 20:39:36 <dannym> zap: yeah, Scratchbox decided to bork on me.
Aug 10 20:39:41 <dannym> zap: see <http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_Maemo_Repositories>
Aug 10 20:39:51 <dannym> oh well, at least I have Diablo on Scratchbox now :)
Aug 10 20:41:00 <dannym> zap: and I reinstalled the devkits, including a 300MB or something doctools devkit (for "xsltproc") via a 12KByte/sec line for the rest of MUD to work.
Aug 10 20:41:21 <dannym> zap: almost painful... ;)
Aug 10 20:41:23 <zap> oh yes :)
Aug 10 20:41:29 <zap> lots of fun
Aug 10 20:42:58 <GAN800> liri, bootmenu.conf
Aug 10 20:43:00 <dannym> zap: I have to see the positive side, at least I didn't have to refetch the rest of Scratchbox... :->
Aug 10 20:43:11 <GAN800> Just set the timeout to zero
Aug 10 20:43:27 <GAN800> Refer to the README
Aug 10 20:43:57 <liri> GAN800: thanks I already got it resolved with the command option
Aug 10 20:59:20 <zap> Anybody knows how I can find out the version of a certain installed package?
Aug 10 20:59:41 <zap> I need the "Version:" field of the "dpkg -s" output
Aug 10 21:00:07 <zap> (and I know I can filter dpkg -s through sed, but I'm looking for easier solutions)
Aug 10 21:03:17 <blafasel> zap: apt-cache policy packagenamehere?
Aug 10 21:03:20 <blafasel> Does that help?
Aug 10 21:04:28 <zap> no
Aug 10 21:04:47 <zap> policy says a lot of not-needed things, I need just a string like "1.2.3-maemo3"
Aug 10 21:07:52 <lcuk> omg. the killed chef.  the bastards.
Aug 10 21:10:31 <blafasel> zap: Sorry then. I thought the version was part of the policy output.
Aug 10 21:13:35 <mikkov_> zap: dpkg-query -W -f='${Version}\n' dpkg
Aug 10 21:14:01 <chelli> mikkov_: you were 1 sec faster than me ;-)
Aug 10 21:14:13 <zap> oh my :)
Aug 10 21:14:22 <mikkov_> :)
Aug 10 21:14:54 <chelli> mikkov_: i just needed to figure out the options from the manpage ;-)
Aug 10 21:16:20 <mikkov_> chelli: manpage is misleading in one point: it needs '' , "" doesn't work :)
Aug 10 21:16:58 <chelli> LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy dpkg | grep "Installed:" | awk {'print $2'} would do the trick too, but dpkg-query is of cource a lot better ;-)
Aug 10 21:17:26 <chelli> mikkov_: yes, i also saw this, but the example in the manpage used '' already :)
Aug 10 21:18:18 <mikkov_> chelli: I first read manpage from web which didn't have  exact example
Aug 10 21:18:44 <chelli> :)
Aug 10 21:20:05 <GAN800> lol, lcuk, just getting to season 10?
Aug 10 21:20:52 <lcuk> no GAN800, isaac hayes was found dead :( tis in the news
Aug 10 21:21:02 <GAN800> oh really?
Aug 10 21:21:09 <lcuk> ya rly
Aug 10 21:22:01 <mikkov_> is there a way to upload packages to chinook non-free?
Aug 10 21:22:07 <acydlord> not a good weak to be a black entertainer
Aug 10 21:23:09 <lcuk> whats race or popularity gotta do with it? people die every day :(
Aug 10 21:26:45 <liri> The RSS feed reader rejected 3 rss sources I gave it
Aug 10 21:27:04 <liri> I'm guessing because of the language which kinda suck. has anyone experienced something like that?
Aug 10 21:27:46 <acydlord> just saying, cause bernie mac went, and then issac hayes
Aug 10 21:27:52 <acydlord> and i cant spell
Aug 10 21:28:31 <lcuk> i dont think you are alone spelling wise
Aug 10 21:36:31 <mikkov_> chelli: are you debian vdr maintainer?
Aug 10 21:40:50 <mikkov_> chelli: nm, i'm using e-tobi.net version
Aug 10 23:24:55 <mranostay> is there any patches that allow hildon-desktop to be used on a machine without a touchscreen?
Aug 10 23:25:05 <mranostay> basically for nav on the home screen
Aug 11 00:28:45 <pupnik> i want a music/ media player client that can respond to verbal requests
Aug 11 00:30:11 <smackpotato> any dj can do that
Aug 11 00:30:41 <smackpotato> should make it a web service
Aug 11 00:39:48 * jott imagines the infinite loops by samples like "rewind selector" in songs.
Aug 11 00:41:45 <Proteous> SUDO CHANGE TRACK
Aug 11 00:42:37 <Proteous> saying that maked me hungry for a sandwich
Aug 11 00:42:46 * Proteous goes to the kitchen
Aug 11 00:43:58 <pupnik> hahaha jott
Aug 11 00:44:09 <smackpotato> what i miss is the am radio blurb, i thought someone should do an rss fead that playes a blurb every so often as you listen to your own music
Aug 11 00:44:27 <pupnik> i want to make things that old people might enjoy
Aug 11 00:44:56 <smackpotato> like soup
Aug 11 00:45:18 <smackpotato> ?
Aug 11 00:46:04 <jott> bingo?
Aug 11 00:46:35 <jott> hmm is there a bingo for maemo? :)
Aug 11 00:48:29 <jott> could make a nice zen game, just show a random number matrix and then show random numbers :)
Aug 11 00:50:02 <egypt> anyone know where to find a ruby readline package, if it exists?
Aug 11 00:51:21 <clijunkie> Hello all. If I'm asking in the wrong place, please let me know.  I have a n810, and on some site I saw reference to a sd to minisd adapter that someone had gotten to work.
Aug 11 00:51:28 <jott> egypt: the ruby project is abandoned.....
Aug 11 00:51:42 <jott> (for maemo/itos that is)
Aug 11 00:51:58 <clijunkie> I don't have the url to the thread, but I have purchased the adapter.  Doesn't work for me.  Was wondering if there is a syslog in maemo?
Aug 11 00:52:06 <egypt> weak.
Aug 11 00:52:32 <egypt> clijunkie: dmesg works
Aug 11 00:53:12 <clijunkie> egypt: thank you
Aug 11 00:59:25 <egypt> jott: was there a particular reason it was abaondoned?
Aug 11 01:06:50 <jott> egypt: i think the maintainer disappeared / had no time anymore.
Aug 11 01:07:03 <jott> feel free to revive it :)
Aug 11 01:20:18 <robink> Someone needs to port Git and Boost, too.
Aug 11 01:28:34 <lcuk> robink, i believe git works if compiled from the sdk
Aug 11 01:29:22 <lcuk> i have a binary over here which works, someone who knows more than me (lbt) compiled it for me. :)
Aug 11 02:45:18 <spcui> how to upgrade busybox from 1.6.1 to 1.11.1 on N810?
Aug 11 02:45:35 <GeneralAntilles> goodluckwiththat
Aug 11 02:59:41 <Proteous> so mean
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