**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 12 02:59:56 2008 Aug 12 03:38:44 Can anyone recommend a password manager for maemo? I want to keep my encrypted password list in sync between my laptop and tablet Aug 12 04:37:26 . Aug 12 04:38:23 ^ Aug 12 04:44:54 v Aug 12 04:54:52 am I the only guy that the new update borked/ Aug 12 04:54:53 ? Aug 12 05:00:20 reflash after a borked ssu upgrade... Aug 12 05:00:29 oh, I already did Aug 12 05:00:30 hours ago Aug 12 05:00:34 I was just hoping I wasn't alone Aug 12 05:00:40 misery loves company. Aug 12 05:00:47 I'm reloading apps and such now. Aug 12 05:00:55 heh, it seem to have failed for t_s_o too Aug 12 05:01:02 it worked ok for me though Aug 12 05:01:11 new flash image? Aug 12 05:01:14 Funny, my SD card came in today, and I was thinking, "Boy, now I an work on backing up the entire partition... Aug 12 05:01:25 doc|home: No, slipstreamed upgrade Aug 12 05:01:29 oh well bugger Aug 12 05:01:30 downlaodable, no reflashing needed Aug 12 05:01:34 well Aug 12 05:01:37 let me rephrase that Aug 12 05:01:39 not such a good thing then :) Aug 12 05:01:40 none SHOULD be needed. Aug 12 05:01:45 heh Aug 12 05:01:57 in my case, and the case of a few others, yes. Aug 12 05:04:21 burnte, did you have a bootmenu installed? Aug 12 05:04:37 nope Aug 12 05:04:47 RD mode, root access, btu no boot menu Aug 12 05:10:34 can anyone else get to maemo.org? Aug 12 05:10:39 * bef0rd tries Aug 12 05:10:57 Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at maemo.org Aug 12 05:11:02 I can't from PA, another friend can't from Florida, so... yeah Aug 12 05:11:04 I thought so Aug 12 05:11:18 this is obviously a concerted effort to keep me from having a working tbalet. Aug 12 05:11:29 forst they break my tablet with their "update" then they keep me from my apps. Aug 12 05:11:35 EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET ME! Aug 12 05:11:54 lol Aug 12 05:12:00 tried flushing your dns cache? Aug 12 05:12:47 yes, although I doubt everyone was using my same DNS server. :) Aug 12 05:13:33 there's a router or server down Aug 12 05:13:37 hops fail after 62.176.60.162 Aug 12 05:14:14 maybe they applied the update and it broke the n800 webserver Aug 12 05:14:16 :P Aug 12 05:14:24 that's it! Aug 12 05:14:35 they tested the update on a production server, like any sensible admin would. Aug 12 05:16:43 lol Aug 12 05:18:26 Was there a recent update that caused problems? Aug 12 05:18:45 indeed. Aug 12 05:18:50 I think I've got some updates pending... Aug 12 05:18:56 burnte: What was the update? Aug 12 05:18:59 it didnt cause any problem for me :P Aug 12 05:19:35 ChanServ: The OS2008 update Aug 12 05:19:47 Have you guys managed to get a tool that safely stores passwords on both desktop / tablet? Aug 12 05:19:49 bef0rd: That's becaus eyou're obviously in on everything. Aug 12 05:20:15 chmac: Post-It notes are secure enough for me! Aug 12 05:20:15 burnte: You mean the flash update to OS2008? Or is it something that downloaded through application manager? Aug 12 05:20:26 burnte: Not very portable though! :) Aug 12 05:20:29 chmac: The slipstreamed update. Aug 12 05:21:31 burnte: Not sure what that is. Something I have to specifically download? Or will it try to auto-install? Aug 12 05:21:51 AFAIK nothing automatically downloads Aug 12 05:21:54 most people have been fine Aug 12 05:21:57 try to click 'check updates' Aug 12 05:22:02 but a few unlucky soulds got borked Aug 12 05:22:18 then you can choose if you want to download it or not Aug 12 05:22:29 I install all the repos from that list, so it takes forever to get updates, etc Aug 12 05:24:50 Looks like gringotts might be the best choice... Aug 12 05:25:11 Has a desktop and a tablet client... :) Aug 12 05:28:48 cool, didn't know the built in image viewer also included some basic editing stuff :) Aug 12 05:31:05 moo all Aug 12 05:35:50 moo. Aug 12 05:47:08 Anyone else using Gringotts? Aug 12 05:47:15 I've just installed, but it's missing a lib... Aug 12 05:54:37 did they fix the bluetooth PAN issue with this update at all? Aug 12 06:22:56 hi Aug 12 06:23:01 anybody here use att for their connection? Aug 12 06:23:04 using bt? Aug 12 06:27:50 try to divide the number of the users on this channel by the number of internet users worldwide, and then multiply it by the number of att customers Aug 12 06:28:02 you'll get the approximative probability of this happening Aug 12 06:28:26 ah yes, and multiply by the number of users using BT divided by the overall number of internet users Aug 12 06:28:47 My estimated guess is something like, 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% Aug 12 06:33:03 Mace_, I am. Aug 12 06:33:16 oh! this is a wonder! Aug 12 06:33:32 (wonder == very little chance event happening) Aug 12 06:33:34 moontiger, no, the dummy connection fixed were not pushed. Aug 12 06:33:55 * GAN800 eyeroll @ zap Aug 12 06:34:07 ;) Aug 12 06:34:14 maemo.org working for anybody else? Aug 12 06:34:34 nope Aug 12 06:34:40 Connection to 62.61.85.38 Failed Aug 12 06:38:30 internet is broken :X Aug 12 06:39:51 it is 0wned Aug 12 06:42:03 * qwerty12 is patiently waiting for kernel-source-diablo to be updated Aug 12 06:43:19 Is http://www.maemo.org/ unavailable? Aug 12 06:43:21 ughj Aug 12 06:43:33 I need the scratchbox install script Aug 12 06:43:36 stupid Aug 12 06:43:59 I believe its available at tablets-dev.nokia.com (dunno if that site is down too) Aug 12 06:44:11 Service Unavailable Aug 12 06:44:27 pwnt Aug 12 06:46:14 uh Aug 12 06:46:18 someone call nokia Aug 12 06:46:19 :-P Aug 12 06:48:12 _marcell_, fix maemo.org. :( Aug 12 07:09:28 thanks Aug 12 07:09:31 moontiger, Aug 12 07:09:40 ;) Aug 12 07:09:40 but I can't DCC :-( Aug 12 07:09:49 eesh ... do u have email? Aug 12 07:09:49 I'll get it in the mornin Aug 12 07:09:51 g Aug 12 07:09:53 oh ok Aug 12 07:09:56 thanks though Aug 12 07:10:01 its almost time to get some Zs. Aug 12 07:10:06 me too :) Aug 12 07:10:12 where u at? Aug 12 07:10:49 GeneralAntilles: It seems the ISP doesn't know how to read calendars. Aug 12 07:10:58 Ahaha Aug 12 07:11:00 Awesome. Aug 12 07:11:24 GeneralAntilles: So the servers are now in a truck :( Aug 12 07:11:36 ??!! Aug 12 07:11:46 you stole the servers?! Aug 12 07:11:50 * doc|home calls the cops Aug 12 07:11:51 Moving to another datacenter. Aug 12 07:12:00 nooooo way! Aug 12 07:12:05 oh yeah, says he with the "SWAG" bag Aug 12 07:12:29 X-Fade's getting a new server farm for his basement. Aug 12 07:12:33 hah Aug 12 07:12:44 * qwerty12 goes and hijacks a truck in Finland. dsme source code for all! Aug 12 07:13:41 Wrong server, qwerty12. ;) Aug 12 07:13:42 qwerty12: heh, I'm pretty sure it is not in there.. Aug 12 07:14:16 GeneralAntilles: Hmm, so garage isn't hosted on that server? Aug 12 07:14:22 X-Fade: hehe Aug 12 07:15:01 It's a shame dsme-commits and dsme-devel are dead :( Aug 12 07:15:09 I learnt a lot by signing up though... Aug 12 07:16:50 Anyway, I'm no longer hungry. Back to bed with me. You guys have fun with the hordes of confused newbies. ;) Aug 12 07:17:12 lol. Aug 12 07:17:21 * qwerty12 gets the guns out. time to go on a newbie hunt. Aug 12 07:17:31 gnight Aug 12 07:19:15 nn all :) Aug 12 07:49:29 estimated downtime left ? Aug 12 07:49:40 7hrs? Aug 12 07:49:54 Heh, there's an i-am-free app Aug 12 07:50:00 :D Aug 12 07:50:05 7hours ?? Aug 12 07:50:17 samppa: That is worst case.. Aug 12 07:50:35 samppa: But it will probably be back sooner. Aug 12 07:50:39 So make it 9 Aug 12 07:50:46 ok :) Aug 12 07:50:54 XTL: yeah, too bad it needs python :) Aug 12 07:51:03 Angry calls can go to the ISP :) Aug 12 07:51:24 :) Aug 12 07:52:12 am i reading right that the servers of maemo.org are being moved? Aug 12 07:52:26 X-Fade: Do they speak English? (My knowledge of English swearing is greater than my knowledge of Finnish or Dutch ones :)) Aug 12 07:52:50 qwerty12: Oh, I'm sure you will get the message across ;) Aug 12 07:53:09 Finnish does have a more tanglible edge to it, done properly Aug 12 07:53:22 But apart from them being a day early, we would have the same situation tomorrow.. Aug 12 07:55:27 so is this downtime becouse of isp ? Aug 12 07:56:02 Harware is being moved to another datacenter. Aug 12 07:56:10 aquatix: I got liferea installed on the NIT and guess what Aug 12 07:56:12 Go on X-Fade, you know you want to don your Superman outfit and get the Servers back of the trucks Aug 12 07:56:17 *servers Aug 12 07:56:23 aquatix: it still refused to get some of those RSS, said they were invalid Aug 12 07:56:35 aquatix: I found one RSS feed that it accepted but it didn't display hebrew :) Aug 12 07:56:39 so no luck for me there Aug 12 07:56:50 liri: hm :( Aug 12 07:57:06 interesting Aug 12 07:57:08 so is this going to be the end for maemo.org lagging ? Aug 12 07:57:14 actually the nameservers are down too Aug 12 07:57:17 liri: i guess you would have to mail the site owners with some feedvalidator.org results Aug 12 07:57:21 try to ping ns.nokia.com Aug 12 07:57:28 try to ping ns2.nokia.com Aug 12 07:57:30 nothin Aug 12 07:57:53 aquatix: yeah and I'll doubt they would actually take that into consideration :) Aug 12 07:57:54 nokia.com works though Aug 12 07:58:00 yeah Aug 12 07:58:06 aquatix: the weird thing is that the same website works fine on liferea on Ubuntu Aug 12 07:58:12 liri: well, it's their feeds, and they are invalid Aug 12 07:58:15 aquatix: so as it happens the versions DO differ! Aug 12 07:58:19 oh Aug 12 07:58:21 legind: That has nothing to do with this ;) Aug 12 07:58:22 weird Aug 12 07:58:52 yep Aug 12 07:58:53 X-Fade, I'm sure its related Aug 12 07:59:17 legind: Well, then I won't argue with you. Aug 12 07:59:37 :) Aug 12 08:01:04 wtf? maemo.org down? Aug 12 08:01:29 see topic Aug 12 08:01:48 trickie|work: uh. Aug 12 08:02:21 * Topic for #maemo is: http://maemo.org is currently down for scheduled maintenance (one day early) Aug 12 08:02:24 Says it all to me Aug 12 08:02:43 * tbf doesn't understand the meaning of "one day early" Aug 12 08:03:19 ah I wasn't aware it was scheduled Aug 12 08:03:20 This email was sent: "Our ISP is transferring the *.maemo.org servers to a new hosting center. Aug 12 08:03:20 Because of this, all servers will be down on the 13th of August, between Aug 12 08:03:20 07:45 and 17:00 (EEST)." Aug 12 08:03:37 As you can see, it's not the 13th of August and the ISP decided to jump the gun :( Aug 12 08:04:01 isp's are weird that way Aug 12 08:04:19 not quite professionel to shutdown the old servers before the move Aug 12 08:04:36 Yep. They can have your servers shut down and moved halfway to a new rack without you knowing anything about it Aug 12 08:04:48 (Not that that ever happened to me, no..) Aug 12 08:05:17 And when you bring in new ones, you find someone's UE sitting in your dedicated cabinet. Aug 12 08:05:28 if my hoster would do that to me, it'd terminate the contract immediatly Aug 12 08:05:42 But I don't do that anymore. Ahh.. Aug 12 08:05:55 Hi ! Aug 12 08:06:06 does someone have access to maemo.org ? Aug 12 08:06:12 Khertan: see topic Aug 12 08:06:14 * Topic for #maemo is: http://maemo.org is currently down for scheduled maintenance (one day early) Aug 12 08:06:38 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22733&page=16 Aug 12 08:06:38 Khertan: obviously Nokia hired the cheapest of all cheap web hosters for running maemo.org Aug 12 08:06:40 :) Aug 12 08:06:47 lol haven't see topic :) Aug 12 08:06:48 thx Aug 12 08:07:15 tbf > the hoster isn't bad ... just the driver of the 33.6k modem is unstable Aug 12 08:07:19 lol Aug 12 08:07:25 hehe Aug 12 08:07:28 surely a win modem used under linux Aug 12 08:07:33 damn... lovely planning... shutting down *.maemo.org almost at the same time as 100 free devices will be given to hackers at Akademy... Aug 12 08:08:02 there is more bad ... when many user get notifications of an diablo update ... Aug 12 08:08:05 ;) Aug 12 08:08:47 Khertan: That is not related. Aug 12 08:08:57 When there is a new diablo SSU update, do the FIASCO images get updated? Aug 12 08:08:59 someone know something about lightning session ? Aug 12 08:09:04 X-Fade > i know Aug 12 08:09:09 someone know something about lightning session organization ? Aug 12 08:09:10 :) Aug 12 08:09:16 a word was missing :) Aug 12 08:09:30 X-Fade > just kidding ... Aug 12 08:15:14 using windows at work is really annoying ! Aug 12 08:16:11 s/work/*/ Aug 12 08:16:22 :P Aug 12 08:16:25 yep :) Aug 12 08:16:27 thx Aug 12 08:18:12 each right click on a folder kill the explorer.exe Aug 12 08:18:24 copy a file ... lag of 30s Aug 12 08:18:39 i think something is wrong in the db registry Aug 12 08:18:54 X-Fade: you here ? Aug 12 08:19:24 ccleaner ... 552 dll missing Aug 12 08:19:25 lol Aug 12 08:19:32 Khertan: probably a dodgy shell extension loaded Aug 12 08:19:47 iirc http://nirsoft.net has a tool that can disable them Aug 12 08:19:48 one day downtime is from which timezone? Aug 12 08:19:59 yep ... this was that ... a dodgy shell extension where dll is missing Aug 12 08:20:16 ccleaner clean the registry and now work really better Aug 12 08:20:40 melmoth: yep Aug 12 08:20:47 mbuf: UTC-24? :) Aug 12 08:20:49 i m surprised as ... i ve only install a few things on this developpment workstation Aug 12 08:21:03 glade / 4D / 7z Aug 12 08:21:23 firefox, mirc, thunderbird Aug 12 08:21:27 and nothing else Aug 12 08:22:45 rha .... it s come back again ... Aug 12 08:24:29 anyone know if the cx3110x is capable of injection? Aug 12 08:25:42 X-Fade, :) Aug 12 08:26:08 X-Fade: remember the bugzilla 3416 ? (autoubild binary content change according to final architecture.) Aug 12 08:26:33 i was wondering if something was supposed to happen on it (ie, is somebody assigned to look at it) ? Aug 12 08:26:48 or if i should consider building a repo. Aug 12 08:26:59 melmoth > BAD IDEA ! Aug 12 08:27:47 Note that, because i already pushed successfully one library (clucene-core) in diablo extras, using the chinook binary ends up in a broken install Aug 12 08:27:51 melmoth: Ed is back from holiday. I will remind him about it again.. Aug 12 08:28:05 thanks. Aug 12 08:38:58 Hi Aug 12 08:39:31 is there a way to backup my n800 with image-file? Aug 12 08:42:56 creating a image, which i can flash back to the device would be cool Aug 12 08:43:30 you can create a backup with the backup tool Aug 12 08:43:41 it will restore almost anything after a flash Aug 12 08:43:46 even installed programs Aug 12 08:44:14 gives you a list with checkboxes which applications you want to install again Aug 12 08:44:29 worked well here Aug 12 08:44:37 A cleanly treated system should come up well with those, yes. Aug 12 08:44:51 And it won't back up everything (including breakage) Aug 12 08:44:59 mtd-tools will backup everything Aug 12 08:45:18 System gets rebuilt on flash+update and user backup is dropped over that afaik Aug 12 08:46:01 Hm.. pdumpfs might be handy. Although there's not that much changing on the tablet in normal use Aug 12 08:46:49 XTL: yeah, that's how that restore works indeed Aug 12 08:47:03 worked well here Aug 12 08:47:13 restored all my settings, contacts etc Aug 12 08:47:29 Worked well for me, too. I've done that once so far. Aug 12 08:48:51 * aquatix too, yesterday :) Aug 12 08:49:10 thank the Light for that OS2008 update asking to do a backup before proceeding Aug 12 08:50:24 :) Aug 12 08:55:04 Hmm ok, not good. Aug 12 08:55:24 Ah Aug 12 08:59:20 still many some 500 error Aug 12 08:59:22 +s Aug 12 08:59:30 "crap.." Aug 12 08:59:37 lol nice error :) Aug 12 09:00:11 http://wiki.maemo.org/ -> crap ... Aug 12 09:00:12 Should put a [Flame ISP] button on every errorhandler page Aug 12 09:00:14 hihi Aug 12 09:00:21 yep ! Aug 12 09:00:21 :-D Aug 12 09:00:42 who is the isp ? Aug 12 09:00:49 ARRGH, I'm uploading an avi to the XBOX and the mess of network cables makes me want to strangle someone with them Aug 12 09:01:05 qwerty12 > ? cable ? Aug 12 09:01:11 this thing still exist ? Aug 12 09:01:33 laaag Aug 12 09:01:33 Khertan, ethernet cables, scart etc Aug 12 09:01:47 I had to use an ethernet cable just this morning. Aug 12 09:01:53 I'm too cheap to get an cross over cable when I have a spare router :) Aug 12 09:02:04 Laptop windos decided there's no network reception. In the end it just needed a reboot. Aug 12 09:04:04 XTL: yeah, that's some backwards feature of windows Aug 12 09:04:30 i've even encountered situations where i needed to restart windows when i wanted to switch from wifi the ethernet or the other way around Aug 12 09:04:34 cables are great when using microwave oven Aug 12 09:04:43 oilinki3: :) Aug 12 09:04:56 oilinki3: don't put your tablet inside such a machine ;) Aug 12 09:05:30 Yeah. You can use an xbox for that. Aug 12 09:05:40 Remember to video it. Aug 12 09:05:42 aqua: no need. One time I even rebooted my wlan-router.. just to later figure out that the connection problem was caused by the microwave oven Aug 12 09:05:56 ;) Aug 12 09:06:25 you might want to try another channel Aug 12 09:06:32 slightly different frequencies Aug 12 09:06:35 "defrost" Aug 12 09:06:55 maybe another channel works better when heating your food Aug 12 09:07:01 I wonder how broad-spectrum the microwave interference is Aug 12 09:07:11 You haven't tried whether it hurts BT? Aug 12 09:08:14 oilinki3: or crank up your router's radio power :) Aug 12 09:08:26 I'm ok with that. we are not using the micro so often. just need to be sure that there is no voip call on progress when heating the food Aug 12 09:09:04 hum ... if you oven disturb your wifi don't stay too near when you use it Aug 12 09:09:09 it should not happen Aug 12 09:09:20 s/you/your Aug 12 09:09:57 true Aug 12 09:10:04 microwave oven should be shielded Aug 12 09:10:06 I suppose there is a bit of leak anyway. and yes. I rather be a bit away of it. Aug 12 09:10:27 The shielding won't stop all of the interference and things like positioning matter Aug 12 09:10:35 oilinki3: if bits of your body starts getting cooked, you know you're in trouble ;) Aug 12 09:10:41 If it breaks an otherwise clean conn from a distance, I'd worry Aug 12 09:10:49 basically it does not cut the lines, but there is a loads of erros and for example loading web pages does not work Aug 12 09:11:11 even changing your position 10cm could have effect Aug 12 09:11:12 XTL > the shield should stop frequency used by wifi on channel 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 Aug 12 09:11:34 iirc, the wavelength of wifi is about 20cm? Aug 12 09:11:37 if it don't ... change it ... the shield have been damaged Aug 12 09:14:07 it's a new oven so I tought that it should not be any serious issue. Aug 12 09:14:55 someone know spreadshirt.com ? Aug 12 09:15:04 Khertan: define "know" Aug 12 09:16:14 know -> mean ... are they serious ? how is delivery, fast, slow ... ? Aug 12 09:16:37 I think they're serious. Haven't done any business with them myself. Aug 12 09:16:56 i'm trying to make a nice tshirt for the summit ;) Aug 12 09:17:51 I think they have the idea that you can sell your own designs. Which is pretty neat if you have some low volume project (like a piece of sw) Aug 12 09:18:11 So you can have them offer shirts with fan logos to random people Aug 12 09:21:36 :) Aug 12 09:21:48 maybe they will be fan for my maemo tshirt :) Aug 12 09:22:22 based on http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png Aug 12 09:24:43 If the copyrights are not a problem, you could set up shop with all the logos :9 Aug 12 09:26:23 lol i ve made this logo ... i don't thing someone would wear this thing :) Aug 12 09:30:44 Ah, but try and mention it on irc and you might find yourself in a sea of your creations :) Aug 12 09:31:06 (I remembered the logo :) Aug 12 09:34:26 I found someone who is screenprinting random Maemo logo shirts for me for like $12 each Aug 12 09:34:36 which isnt spectacular, but not horrible Aug 12 09:34:54 I may blow up the Adv Backlight logo and put that on a shirt too :P Aug 12 09:36:23 ... hum ... Aug 12 09:36:25 12$ Aug 12 09:36:35 i ven't found something under 22Euros Aug 12 09:36:47 O_o Aug 12 09:37:00 maybe i should make tons, and sell them :P Aug 12 09:37:12 lol Aug 12 09:38:43 http://khertan.net/poubelle/tshirt1.png Aug 12 09:39:09 ouch ... +6 euro for delivery !!! Aug 12 09:39:34 30 Euros ... for a stupid tshirt.... it s a bit expensive Aug 12 09:39:52 oh yes Aug 12 09:40:20 does diablo automatically shut itself down under any circumstances other than flat battery? Aug 12 09:40:31 so there is a maemo logo at last. nice play with the infinity symbol. but why all this pale greyness? Aug 12 09:40:49 Khertan: maybe try threadless .. I think you need a bunch of people to vote before it's in catalogue but we might be able to manage that :-) Aug 12 09:43:15 http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/8870/bobesponjaillamk8.jpg Aug 12 09:44:20 omg, they found bob! Aug 12 09:48:34 any cool stuff on the new feature upgrade for OS2008? Aug 12 09:50:18 yep there is a new too kweel version number !!! Aug 12 09:50:19 : Aug 12 09:50:20 :) Aug 12 09:50:34 modest/microb mainly Aug 12 10:06:58 lol ... i found a printed tshirt for 15Euros ... with 15 Euros for delivery ... pffff Aug 12 10:20:47 yeah ... comboutique.fr ... 18Euros ... for one logo and one line of text in the back Aug 12 10:24:59 2008-08-12 maemo.org Sprint4 IRC planning meeting2008-07-28T07:43:22Z dab2a01e5c7811ddaefc737a25da451d451d Aug 12 10:25:33 ... hum ... Aug 12 10:25:35 it s today Aug 12 10:25:42 maybe i could join Aug 12 10:26:05 maemo wiki : Connection to 127.0.0.1 Failed Aug 12 10:26:34 Italodance > could you remember me the channel and time ? Aug 12 10:26:50 hi yeah Aug 12 10:27:00 Khertan umm Aug 12 10:27:14 ! Aug 12 10:27:30 ?!? Aug 12 10:27:49 lol found Aug 12 10:28:09 just a whois on x-fade is usefull ;) Aug 12 10:28:12 Khertan no Aug 12 10:29:33 #maemo-meeting Aug 12 10:29:55 is this going on atm? Aug 12 10:30:07 19:00 utc. Aug 12 10:30:17 X-Fade: cool Aug 12 10:30:38 Anyone here who knows about hw interrupts? Aug 12 10:30:49 hum ... i ll join :) just to see what is a maemo-meeting :) Aug 12 10:30:50 I'll be playing Quim tonight ;) Aug 12 10:31:15 X-Fade: right, I'll prepare a long list of questions to paste at you ;) Aug 12 10:31:16 Only I don't have the answers, like he does. Aug 12 10:31:21 lol Aug 12 10:31:30 today i refreshed my app manager and saw a new 3d game called ABUSE? anyone knows it? screenshot? Aug 12 10:31:43 Italodance .... rohh !:!!!! Aug 12 10:31:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_(computer_game) Aug 12 10:32:02 Italodance, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=157548 Aug 12 10:32:23 thank u Khertan & qwerty12 :D Aug 12 10:32:49 I was looking at the mp3.o dsp task and notice there are no DMA strings in there, anyone know if that is encapsulated by XDAIS? Aug 12 10:32:55 did feature upgrade update kernel too? mostly interested 'cause I'm using a2dp's dsp/arm decoupling stuff Aug 12 10:33:04 wiza, yeah Aug 12 10:33:05 ut's 15 mb wow should be good :( Aug 12 10:33:07 :) Aug 12 10:34:13 wiza: it might have overwritten bluez-utils Aug 12 10:34:53 Unable to forward this request at this time. .... rah ... could you come with some guy from the isp that run maemo.org at the summit ? we can so made a real deathmatch .... Aug 12 10:35:03 lardman: aah, that too, haven't tested a2dp after that upgrade, any updates coming to that or does the old version/kernel work? Aug 12 10:35:23 wiza: not much point in using the kernel atm as videos don't want to play with it Aug 12 10:35:42 lardman: not using internet tablet for watching video Aug 12 10:35:44 wiza: I'm looking at doing DMA/some other way of getting it to work with video output too Aug 12 10:36:02 lardman: gps, email, web and music is 'nuff for me Aug 12 10:36:08 wiza: in which case you still don't need the kernel, that just allowed you to push the ARM to full speed while using the DSP Aug 12 10:36:19 ok Aug 12 10:36:45 for you, it's pretty much done Aug 12 10:37:13 for people who want to be able to use it to redirect audio while watching video with mplayer, I need to work out why the mplayer frame rate drops to ~1fps Aug 12 10:37:33 lardman: there was some clitches in the sound, might be that canola was using way too much cpu... but that wasn't really annoying, rode my bike like 300km and it happened maybe 30 times Aug 12 10:37:59 wiza: ah yeah, qwerty12 mentioned some glitches too, I've not got round to look at that; I will do though Aug 12 10:38:14 sweet Aug 12 10:38:18 Were you playing mp3s? Aug 12 10:38:23 yep Aug 12 10:38:47 not that I'm needing that much now, weather is gettin' even more shittier than usual Aug 12 10:38:51 It would be useful if you or qwerty12 could chop out the chunks which are causing glitches, or at least tell me the time in the song so I can do so Aug 12 10:39:14 lardman, that song I sent you is glitched all the way through :) Aug 12 10:39:16 otherwise I need to convert the entire tracks to pcm, send it though and do a diff Aug 12 10:39:21 qwerty12: ok Aug 12 10:39:33 if you wish, just cut some seconds from the start Aug 12 10:39:34 qwerty12: isn't that the way it's supposed to sound? ;) Aug 12 10:39:56 lardman, nope as the default bluez a2dp stuff plays it fine ;P Aug 12 10:40:02 :p Aug 12 10:40:11 um, when is maemo.org planning on working? Aug 12 10:40:38 qwerty12: I'll take a look this evening, am feeling better (have had a stinking cold & couldn't be bothered to program() Aug 12 10:41:07 lardman, great, thank you. I think I'm feeling the start of a cold here (runny nose) :D Aug 12 10:41:33 Or it could be a result of eating these "chilli" crisps :/ Aug 12 10:46:54 johnx, ping Aug 12 10:48:39 qwerty12: chilli is about the only thing I can taste atm Aug 12 10:49:24 lardman, heh :/. have some chicken soup :P Aug 12 10:49:38 So, are hw interrupts assignable, or do they correspond to a given bit of hardware? Aug 12 10:49:53 qwerty12: mm, sounds nice; coffee to keep me awake though atm Aug 12 10:50:33 lardman, hehe. I *hate* chicken soup. Come think of it, you won't like my judgement as I don't drink coffee or tea either :P Aug 12 10:50:55 qwerty12: :) Aug 12 10:52:05 ah, don't worry about the hwi question, I read the code wrongly Aug 12 10:52:12 somehow burning cpu for a2dp grosses me out, when the function can be replaced by three wire Aug 12 10:52:16 ss Aug 12 10:52:27 3 wires? how? Aug 12 10:55:09 cable, headphones Aug 12 10:55:42 pupnik: oh, I see, not so wireless though then ;) Aug 12 10:56:01 yes Aug 12 10:56:29 not to disparage your work or anything Aug 12 10:57:55 no, that's ok :) Aug 12 11:12:30 i want this https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2423 for MicroB Aug 12 11:13:49 I think the better way is try to use firefox... Aug 12 11:14:08 that's interesting Aug 12 11:14:16 point is that i don't want firefox ;) Aug 12 11:14:39 can't you just wget -r wikipedia? ;) Aug 12 11:15:27 sure after i get my petabyte sd card ;) Aug 12 11:16:11 or the mysql db! :) Aug 12 11:17:25 talking about DBs, I didn't realise that mapper (i.e. onion's fork) didn't render using OSM data, silly me Aug 12 11:26:51 mikkov_: But microb not have a interface (bars and status bars) like firefox... then you need remake this addon... Aug 12 11:31:17 I wonder how much space wiktionary bodies in dense format (wiki text?) would take Aug 12 11:32:12 a current snapshot of wikipedia in bzip'd SQL form is like 2.6gb Aug 12 11:32:47 That's not too huge. Rest of wikimedia is out of that? Aug 12 11:34:20 that's likely only the text of english articles Aug 12 11:34:29 quite compact though Aug 12 11:34:56 Locales out, too, yes. Aug 12 11:36:06 its about 4gb bziped, and 200gb with images Aug 12 11:43:28 bah images. Aug 12 11:43:43 but it is SLOOOWWW on an IT Aug 12 11:43:56 SQL + IT == not fun Aug 12 11:44:16 \forall x : SQL + x == not fun Aug 12 11:44:24 haha Aug 12 11:44:51 Excepting the axe as usual, perhaps Aug 12 11:48:21 Hi hi hi Aug 12 11:49:43 bef0rd, why you always have your befr0d clon? lol Aug 12 11:49:58 crashanddie, ping Aug 12 11:52:10 What is mounted on /dev/mtdblock4? Aug 12 11:52:33 Well, is not mounted, is... Meh Aug 12 11:54:11 XTL: well, i don't think that xml version of wikipedia will be faster :) Aug 12 11:54:14 lcuk, pong Aug 12 11:54:41 my spidey sense was tingling, did you solve your problem Aug 12 11:55:15 depends, which one ? Aug 12 11:55:27 brb, gotta grab some coffee Aug 12 11:56:15 http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html Aug 12 11:56:54 maemo sdk vmware appliance already contains the cross compilation tool-chain doesn't it? Aug 12 11:57:12 as a faster alternative to xml wikipedia, i have software which will produce tiff images from the text, then ocr it back in Aug 12 11:58:10 liri, yes, but i dont know if its been updated for diablo Aug 12 12:00:00 lcuk > lol ... the worst solution ... Aug 12 12:00:56 vmware is setted for chinook ... but to make diablo compatible application just change repository and apt-get dist-upgrade Aug 12 12:01:11 s// / Aug 12 12:01:26 s/\//\/\// Aug 12 12:03:47 ? Aug 12 12:04:18 oh ... there is a python-qt wikipedia reader ... Aug 12 12:05:13 Khertan, when you move to qt you will find theres pretty much everything Aug 12 12:05:17 so i heard there were 2 versions of rdesktop? anyone link to both? Aug 12 12:05:33 lcuk > qt sucks ... Aug 12 12:05:34 :) Aug 12 12:06:03 lcuk: yep, I see it now Aug 12 12:06:10 the interest of a qt reader ... is to clean all this nasty qt thing ... Aug 12 12:06:16 Khertan, lcuk sucks more than qt ? Is that what you said ? Aug 12 12:06:19 to make a great gtk reader :) Aug 12 12:06:29 crashanddie > lol Aug 12 12:07:17 '>' is added by this stupid windows irc client i use. Aug 12 12:07:35 Khertan: config it! Aug 12 12:07:37 ;) Aug 12 12:08:30 aquatix > yep ... format c: Aug 12 12:08:44 Make it so. Aug 12 12:08:44 Khertan: no, cfdisk, format / Aug 12 12:08:49 Khertan, according to netcraft gtk is dying. qt is rising Aug 12 12:09:17 lcuk: according to my crystal ball, microsoft is going to use kde as gui in windows 7 Aug 12 12:09:29 netcraft ... Aug 12 12:09:34 who is it ? Aug 12 12:09:49 It's the online nickname of The Doctor Aug 12 12:09:55 netcraft is an internet statistics site Aug 12 12:09:59 crashanddie: lol Aug 12 12:10:14 Mmm.. internet statistics Aug 12 12:10:18 crashanddie: i've seen him! i've seen him! Aug 12 12:10:26 he was on the tellie Aug 12 12:10:30 aquatix, which one ? Aug 12 12:10:32 ah, ok Aug 12 12:10:38 everyone saw the doctor the telly Aug 12 12:10:45 crashanddie: i saw various iterations Aug 12 12:10:45 or has seen Aug 12 12:10:54 ;) Aug 12 12:11:13 * aquatix has a doctor captured on dvd Aug 12 12:12:21 anyone know if there's a bug about the freely moving desktop applets in OS2008 ? (as opposed to the locked desktop applets in OS2007) Aug 12 12:12:29 and if so, which bug # it is Aug 12 12:13:02 80833 http://www.maemo.org June 2000 Aug 12 12:13:12 from netcraft ... and you believe them ... Aug 12 12:13:14 arf Aug 12 12:14:00 does sjgadsby irc? Aug 12 12:14:21 fklsdjf lfjsdlfkj sdlfj ? Aug 12 12:14:29 not-my-fault Aug 12 12:14:47 offline wikipedia on nit would be pretty cool Aug 12 12:14:58 there already is, isn't there , Aug 12 12:15:11 actually there is, i've used it Aug 12 12:15:24 Although the point of the nit is kind of to have things online in reach Aug 12 12:15:32 i used some dict viewer Aug 12 12:15:53 Is there a dict to wp gateway? Aug 12 12:16:00 * aquatix solders the wifi chip off his NIT's motherboard Aug 12 12:16:01 i see that in 2005 there is something interesting in the maemo roadmap : "UI development tool e.g Gazpacho with Hildon widget support" Aug 12 12:16:06 no news ? Aug 12 12:16:19 there is dict files made from wikipedia dumps Aug 12 12:16:19 aquatix, wouldn't be soldering, technically Aug 12 12:16:27 Ah Aug 12 12:16:36 it would involve a soldering iron and melting Aug 12 12:16:44 * aquatix doesn't see the problem ;) Aug 12 12:17:11 anybody interested in a fun thing to port? http://siebn.de/index.php?page=burningsand/game Aug 12 12:17:20 i'd likely ruin the thing and the table i'm working on, but that's because my soldering skills are rather lousy Aug 12 12:17:21 well, see, soldering implies the use of heat and melted metal to attach multiple pieces together Aug 12 12:17:42 crashanddie: i'd reverse the process Aug 12 12:17:48 antisoldering then Aug 12 12:17:51 fair enough Aug 12 12:17:52 "desoldering" Aug 12 12:18:02 unsoldering Aug 12 12:18:06 (which mostly describes removing solder) Aug 12 12:18:11 sounds like unraveling Aug 12 12:18:11 pupnik_, that's not a fun part Aug 12 12:18:24 un might give images of just breaking the joint Aug 12 12:18:37 pupnik_, I don't know about you, but porting wine to an NIT looks like a major PITA Aug 12 12:18:44 crashanddie: in my case, it would still result in multiple pieces attached together Aug 12 12:19:00 like, motherboard fused with casing and such Aug 12 12:19:04 Running arm binaries with a win api? Aug 12 12:19:12 * aquatix should learn to solder correctly Aug 12 12:19:45 crashanddie: source is available, SDL display backend Aug 12 12:20:07 it's surprisingly fast - curious about the data structures Aug 12 12:20:25 * aquatix loves how the screenshots are exactly the same for win and lin Aug 12 12:20:28 aquatix, it's not hard, the main thing to remember is "don't use too much solder, in fact, use very little" Aug 12 12:20:45 Always tin your bit and all the leads you'll solder Aug 12 12:20:53 .. sparingly, of course. Aug 12 12:20:56 crashanddie: and don't sniff too much of the magic smoke Aug 12 12:21:20 Magic smoke improves when you hit a drop of cyanoacrylate with the soldering tip Aug 12 12:21:41 ooh Aug 12 12:21:54 so that'd make me sniff both magic smoke and glue? Aug 12 12:22:07 * aquatix choose the wrong profession when he went into software Aug 12 12:22:19 * XTL is in the process of remedying that Aug 12 12:22:40 XTL: but was that serious, or... Aug 12 12:22:54 * aquatix has heard weirder remedies Aug 12 12:23:02 I've soldered waayy too much :P Aug 12 12:23:19 * aquatix doesn't even own an iron Aug 12 12:23:27 i've soldering tin though Aug 12 12:23:27 I'm trying to get to EE. Aug 12 12:23:44 I always wanted to, but kind of got sucked in to being a programmer and sysadmin Aug 12 12:23:49 aquatix: I do, but I'm clumsy with hardware, so I hardly use it ;) Aug 12 12:23:58 hardware just sucks. Aug 12 12:23:58 Veggen: :) Aug 12 12:24:01 indeed Aug 12 12:24:02 Just bought a new iron/station Aug 12 12:24:05 ahs, ass Aug 12 12:24:06 it needs to work Aug 12 12:24:10 software is more my thing Aug 12 12:24:46 Hardware can be tortured. Aug 12 12:24:56 * aquatix uses software for that Aug 12 12:25:21 aquatix: But you'll know the software enjoys it Aug 12 12:25:32 uh-huh Aug 12 12:25:42 except when it starts panicking Aug 12 12:29:43 I wonder if electronics has the delicious cycle, too. Aug 12 12:29:56 "I have some leftover chips, I should get some pcb and make circuits" Aug 12 12:30:05 "I have some leftover pcb, I should get some chips and make circuits" Aug 12 12:30:24 :) Aug 12 12:30:44 "I have some leftover circuits, I should build me a robot army" Aug 12 12:30:46 (I always just have spare chips, but I'm a packrat) Aug 12 12:31:31 aquatix, I have 4 different soldering irons, and about 2kg of solder :P Aug 12 12:31:39 I should get some microcontrollers. Still haven't got around to it. Aug 12 12:31:47 XTL, where do you live ? Aug 12 12:31:54 crashanddie: oulu.fi Aug 12 12:32:18 ouch, ok Aug 12 12:32:26 Indeed :9 Aug 12 12:37:32 Nha, cuz I have a bunch of Atmel AtMega microcontrollers here Aug 12 12:37:43 XTL, and if you'd been anywhere near, could've sent you a bunch :P Aug 12 12:38:31 hm. there's nothing in /proc or /sys to look at power draw (mA/mW) for the n810 is there?) Aug 12 12:41:40 or in the hardware (accessible by software) any way for that matter Aug 12 12:43:48 crashanddie: Nice. I'm not anywhere near most anything, though. Aug 12 12:53:20 xtl, if you are brave you could try microwave soldering ;) Aug 12 12:55:18 hi Aug 12 12:55:35 omweather does not update here Aug 12 12:55:41 someone got it too? Aug 12 12:56:18 sorry, quit using omweather ages ago Aug 12 12:56:32 Hrw|n810, IIRC, omweather simply uses Yahoo! weather Aug 12 12:56:46 Hrw|n810, dunno perhaps the webscraping has failed Aug 12 12:56:58 or the weather has stopped Aug 12 12:57:06 reboot the world and try again Aug 12 12:57:15 Hrw|n810, check if you have access to weather.com Aug 12 12:57:21 ok Aug 12 12:58:10 bbiab Aug 12 12:59:23 works here Aug 12 12:59:30 here too Aug 12 12:59:32 but he's gone Aug 12 13:00:21 meh, telepathy gabble or something was taking 200% cpu Aug 12 13:00:23 large tornado took him away? Aug 12 13:00:25 now my battery is drained Aug 12 13:07:50 forl @ jeppe Aug 12 13:07:56 *rofl Aug 12 14:06:26 hum... maemo.org still down ... Aug 12 14:08:15 its not down Aug 12 14:08:18 check your shit Aug 12 14:11:38 LinuxCode > main page is ok ... but look at the thing behind Aug 12 14:11:39 :) Aug 12 14:12:03 behind where ? Aug 12 14:12:20 http://maemo.org/downloads/ Aug 12 14:12:24 The following error was encountered: Aug 12 14:12:24 * Connection to 127.0.0.1 Failed Aug 12 14:12:28 The system returned: Aug 12 14:12:28 (111) Connection refused Aug 12 14:12:36 w.m.o also throws a real error now Aug 12 14:12:40 of course it depends on where you connect Aug 12 14:12:47 as there is many caching system Aug 12 14:12:58 sometimes real error ... sometimes crap Aug 12 14:14:09 is it possible to play midi files on the n8x0? Aug 12 14:14:35 I'm guessing there's no (exposed) hw synth, but you could run (port?) timidity and go through that Aug 12 14:14:58 icbw. Having a hw synth would be funny. Aug 12 14:14:58 I'm wondering cause that would open up a whole new karaoke joke box window :) Aug 12 14:15:08 there's pykaraoke Aug 12 14:15:09 FWIW, I'm getting intermittent errors on maemo.org too: can't login, some pages are blank, others are fine Aug 12 14:15:51 They saw that the move was tomorrow, so they're hauling it back. Aug 12 14:16:33 pykaraoke I think depends on libsdl though isn't such good news I guess Aug 12 14:18:21 libsdl ... Aug 12 14:18:33 is it available, isn't it ? Aug 12 14:18:51 I imagine it would be Aug 12 14:19:12 Yes, 1.2 Aug 12 14:19:34 there is many users complaining on itt about ssu Aug 12 14:19:35 In the base system even, isn't it? Aug 12 14:19:37 huhu Aug 12 14:20:20 One thing I hate is not having everything in apt's reach Aug 12 14:20:32 and in public Aug 12 14:20:57 I guess they want to keep some of it hidden away Aug 12 14:23:30 XTL > yes but make all thing visible , and you ll see more people complaining ... Aug 12 14:37:30 ouch ... some user complaining about ssu update seems to have also sdk 4.1 repository ... Aug 12 14:38:10 is there a gtk designer god here ? :) Aug 12 14:42:41 Khertan: I think you're assuming that GTK can look good Aug 12 14:44:11 Any knows if are a method to use socks5 under maemo? I think create a proxy and use it over a ssh tunnel (socks5) ...? Aug 12 14:44:42 kkkk GTK <> Look good!!! :P Aug 12 14:49:55 Anunakin, could you rephrase that? Didn't quite catch that Aug 12 14:50:17 brontide > :) Aug 12 14:50:29 Khertan, get rid of the " > " Aug 12 14:50:33 Khertan, it's annoying Aug 12 14:50:35 :) Aug 12 14:50:47 yep ... 2s ... i ll get a real irc client Aug 12 14:57:01 yep ... a real irc client Aug 12 14:57:05 on windows ... Aug 12 14:57:31 which one? Aug 12 14:57:34 irssi Aug 12 14:57:36 :) Aug 12 14:57:37 ah :) Aug 12 14:57:44 the only real irc client ;) Aug 12 14:58:23 some of linux user say that emacs is the only real irc client :) Aug 12 14:58:26 +s Aug 12 14:58:41 emacs is a nice OS indeed Aug 12 14:58:57 has a nice irc and email client too i heard Aug 12 14:59:08 too bad it's missing a decent editor ;) Aug 12 14:59:15 * aquatix runs Aug 12 14:59:23 Khertan: I've avoided the OS known as emacs Aug 12 15:01:03 maybe one day i should try it Aug 12 15:01:16 crashanddie: you see ? no more '>' Aug 12 15:01:20 :) Aug 12 15:01:27 aaah :) Nice Aug 12 15:01:30 Positive Aug 12 15:01:35 now make it a ",", and I'm really happy Aug 12 15:01:45 no no no ... irssi use ':' ... Aug 12 15:01:47 crashanddie: why? Aug 12 15:01:50 so it should be ':' Aug 12 15:01:51 , is weird Aug 12 15:01:56 indeed Aug 12 15:01:58 : is traditional Aug 12 15:01:59 no it's not Aug 12 15:02:06 crashanddie: then you're weird ;) Aug 12 15:02:09 it s the default irssi config Aug 12 15:02:12 Hell yes I am Aug 12 15:02:17 Khertan, way better, anyway Aug 12 15:02:17 so it s the standard ... Aug 12 15:02:18 :) Aug 12 15:02:19 and , is used in more in random sentences Aug 12 15:02:28 I'll tell you this Aug 12 15:02:52 :) Aug 12 15:03:09 i think `:' is better for addressing someone than randomly putting a pause character in a sentence Aug 12 15:03:16 < crashanddie> Khertan, way better, anyway Aug 12 15:03:18 ':' indicates a direction, a specification, ',' indicates an enunciation Aug 12 15:03:31 Was that to Khertan, Kertan and way better or Khertan, way better and anyway? Aug 12 15:03:33 crashanddie: exactly, i direct you Aug 12 15:03:47 +it to Aug 12 15:03:52 in other words, I'm not only talking to some person, I'm talking to that person, and anyone who wants to join in Aug 12 15:04:05 XTL, now you're just shagging mosquitoes Aug 12 15:04:07 hum ... Aug 12 15:04:20 crashanddie: illustrating my earlier point Aug 12 15:04:39 To a machine, that would be a killer problem. Generally, they don't care though. Aug 12 15:04:40 nooo you're not, you're just abusing your point of view to try and put me at wrong Aug 12 15:04:46 It's a matter of manners. Aug 12 15:04:53 * Khertan use is notepad and writing in the funny expression section : 'you re just shagging mosquitoes' Aug 12 15:04:54 it doesn't change a lot Aug 12 15:04:57 ;) Aug 12 15:05:15 s/writing/ write in it Aug 12 15:05:22 You know, this is the first channel I've seen any disagreement on this. Aug 12 15:05:26 crashanddie, : you are wrong :P Aug 12 15:05:28 haha Aug 12 15:05:38 And there's generally irc-illiterate sentiment here Aug 12 15:05:47 What's it been.. 13 years? Aug 12 15:05:48 I'm adding an application to the maemo website, and it says to save the entry before uploading a screenshot. I've saved the entry, now how do I edit it to add the screenshot? Aug 12 15:05:59 XTL, what did you just say ? Aug 12 15:06:08 ywwg: Use the floating bar. Aug 12 15:06:11 "(XTL) You know, this is the first..." Aug 12 15:06:13 that's my point Aug 12 15:06:23 XTL, see what I meant now ? Aug 12 15:06:23 ywwg: before use the floating windows Aug 12 15:06:29 ywwg: 'Page' -> Edit. Aug 12 15:06:36 so many clients, so many formats, no1 is wrong (except for crashanddie,) Aug 12 15:06:43 crashanddie: Yes. In 13 years or so, every other channel has taken it for granted that you use colon. Aug 12 15:07:02 hum ... why not using ([{[{[Khertan]}]})>:_: ? Aug 12 15:07:06 xtl, but xchat by default uses "[name], " Aug 12 15:07:09 And this is the only one where someone uses another char or another word for 'topic' Aug 12 15:07:10 it ll be clear : Aug 12 15:07:11 :) Aug 12 15:07:23 lcuk_work: I'm sure it does. Aug 12 15:07:27 XTL, so because they thought the earth was flat for a bazillion years, they were right ? Fundamental things should never be challenged ? :D Aug 12 15:07:35 aha. I didn't realize those were menus Aug 12 15:07:52 crashanddie: yep they were right ... ask to the inquisition ... :) Aug 12 15:07:52 < XTL> You know, this is... Aug 12 15:07:59 hahaha :D Aug 12 15:08:02 xtl, therefore its the right way. or are you gonna argue that x-chat doesn't rule the interwebs? :P Aug 12 15:08:04 I wasn't using a fallacy, I was diverging Aug 12 15:08:23 hey ... this is really not important ... Aug 12 15:08:37 no, its vitally important Aug 12 15:08:38 lcuk_work: It probably does. Windows and IE too Aug 12 15:08:45 gah, is the site incredibly slow for anyone else? Aug 12 15:08:52 ywwg, everyone else Aug 12 15:08:52 ok ... don't move i ll configure irssi :) Aug 12 15:08:59 irssi is right Aug 12 15:09:03 crashanddie: thought so Aug 12 15:09:17 dont the rfcs define this? Aug 12 15:09:23 nope Aug 12 15:09:26 At least the bitchx is dead. Aug 12 15:09:51 Protocol doesn't take part in content Aug 12 15:10:01 ¥< XTL> It's a matter of manners. Aug 12 15:10:39 * aquatix renicks to ..::aquat1x::.. Aug 12 15:10:40 yeark ... it s seems not configurable ... Aug 12 15:10:46 actually, it sortof does, the inner protocol uses [nick] : [msg] Aug 12 15:10:51 is there a reason for the libbz2-1.0 and libdb4.2 packages to be kept back in diablo? Aug 12 15:11:00 apt-get cannot upgrade them Aug 12 15:11:06 aquatix, yep, it's showing :P Aug 12 15:11:15 (neither the application manager) Aug 12 15:11:17 Mmm.. resonance :) Aug 12 15:11:26 ~lart the freenet irc server. I wanted to go in #dbox2 :( Aug 12 15:11:26 * infobot burns the freenet irc server. I wanted to go in #dbox2 :( to a crisp with a laser Aug 12 15:11:27 {('[lcuk_work]')}:> now i m sure something is good :) Aug 12 15:11:32 qwerty12: talking about netiquette ;) Aug 12 15:11:53 Khertan++ Aug 12 15:11:57 :) Aug 12 15:12:07 you forgot colouring Aug 12 15:12:19 Oh : ... colouring ! Aug 12 15:12:20 colors are disabled here Aug 12 15:12:20 no colouring, please, please no Aug 12 15:12:24 * aquatix waits till someone gets banned Aug 12 15:12:28 i forgot that ! Aug 12 15:12:30 yep ... Aug 12 15:12:32 crashanddie: thankfully Aug 12 15:12:37 aquatix, indeed Aug 12 15:12:39 thx to remind me this Aug 12 15:12:40 test Aug 12 15:12:47 but phat is still possible Aug 12 15:12:47 failed Aug 12 15:13:01 http://gizmodo.com/5035456/blue-screen-of-death-strikes-birds-nest-during-opening-ceremonies-torch-lighting Quality software ;) Aug 12 15:13:12 X-Fade: yeah, classic Aug 12 15:13:12 ^C-colours. That was the time mirc ruled the unwashed seas.. Aug 12 15:13:23 about time mirc dies Aug 12 15:13:28 X-Fade: is the autobuilder borked? Aug 12 15:13:31 mirc sukzorz Aug 12 15:13:50 haha Aug 12 15:13:55 mikkov_: I think it has something to do with the move of the servers. Aug 12 15:14:02 xchat is a minor nuisance compared to that Aug 12 15:14:05 no more questions on how to get online on that mirc chat network Aug 12 15:14:07 X-Fade: ok Aug 12 15:14:12 mikkov_: The builder itself seems to be broken/gone/messed up. Aug 12 15:14:40 I'm sorry, but I have to say this again: Aug 12 15:14:43 At least the bitchx is dead. Aug 12 15:14:46 :) Aug 12 15:15:02 X-Fade: lots of UNKNOWNs ;) Aug 12 15:15:24 mikkov_: Yeah, I guess the autobuilder doesn't know what hit him ;) Aug 12 15:15:54 mikkov_: -ESERVERMOVEDONEDAYEARLYSORRY Aug 12 15:16:22 kthxbye Aug 12 15:16:57 reminds me of my isp's system transition; also a day early Aug 12 15:17:22 Well, it messed up my day :( Aug 12 15:17:24 thanks guys, now i can't edit that document on my home server from work anymore Aug 12 15:17:50 test Aug 12 15:18:31 Khertan: pong Aug 12 15:20:16 i ll be back Aug 12 15:27:57 anyone has an example of HildonWizardDialog ? Aug 12 15:29:07 Can't think of any examples but it's used in Maemo FTP and Modest Aug 12 15:33:05 qwerty12: ok.. thanks.. i'll check the source Aug 12 15:35:58 howdy y'all, anyone using an N810 here w/either a bluetooth or plugin headset & built in SIP-voip client? Aug 12 15:44:22 gnieee Aug 12 15:45:22 is there a irssi client for maemo ? Aug 12 15:47:06 ... uhm bye ... Aug 12 15:52:33 Khertan: you can build your own irssi too :> Aug 12 15:52:52 still, XChat is much more suited for the touchscreen Aug 12 16:06:31 Anything interesting going on? Aug 12 16:07:38 Hm. My kernel is dated june 11th. Is that the most recent? (just did an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) Aug 12 16:12:48 Veggen: Jul 16 is the most recent Aug 12 16:13:36 what is up with the diablo extras autobuilder? everything I throw at it just returns a "[diablo]: ... UNKNOWN" e-mail. Aug 12 16:15:18 Is xmkmf in any diablo sdk repository? Aug 12 16:16:56 qwerty: hmm. Then I haven't upgraded all... Aug 12 16:17:09 qwerty12: isn't that provided by xutils-dev? Aug 12 16:17:21 qwerty: On uname -a? Aug 12 16:17:30 pH5: Yep, thanks. Just compiled it now. Aug 12 16:17:30 on ls -l, it's dated jul 16. Aug 12 16:17:49 Veggen: uname -a and /proc/version. Aug 12 16:17:53 Veggen: run flash-and-reboot Aug 12 16:18:09 ah, thanks. Aug 12 16:19:48 w3 Aug 12 16:21:25 Anybody gonna make a 30-2 announcement for maemo.org? Aug 12 16:21:58 GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure if that makes sense. Especially if these updates are weekly orso. Aug 12 16:22:07 Good question. I'm surprised that there has been no official one Aug 12 16:22:15 X-Fade, weekly? Aug 12 16:22:20 You're kidding, right? :P Aug 12 16:22:21 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3560 Aug 12 16:22:33 That guy needs to either learn how to file useful bugs or stop filing them. Aug 12 16:22:35 GeneralAntilles: Or whatever ;) Aug 12 16:22:43 I don't think he's filed a useful bug in his life. Aug 12 16:23:17 hmm. think browser *is* much faster, yes. Aug 12 16:23:21 I'm inclined to just INVALID most of them since they just end up sitting because nobody can actually figure them out. Aug 12 16:23:54 konttori: I can give you rights to post announcements? Aug 12 16:24:48 It's not my position to announce these things. Quim is on vacation and while he's away, I don't know who should be announcing such things. Aug 12 16:25:13 konttori: Well, I guess someone from your team should? Aug 12 16:25:55 so, diablo's iptables... not so great Aug 12 16:26:10 I'll talk tomorrow to people who should be announcing it. It may also be intentional that no so much noise is made of the update. Aug 12 16:26:27 It was really made to fix the email power drain issue Aug 12 16:26:45 And everybody will get a notification automatically. Aug 12 16:27:11 to be fair, DEF CON was quite a bit of a test. Aug 12 16:27:44 If Nokia is ever going to provide real changelogs, announcements should really be made on maemo.org. Aug 12 16:28:02 Besides, it's a COMMUNITY site, we may just take it into our own hands and relieve Nokia of the burden. ;) Aug 12 16:28:12 Using fbvnc on a tablet is a nice way to make you shut it down :> Aug 12 16:31:03 7pm UTC? Aug 12 16:31:08 See you chaps later on Aug 12 16:31:49 SSU includes a new build of libssl so things like x11vnc won't install without an override Aug 12 16:33:26 and why doesn't maemo have libssl.so link to the most recent version rather linking directly to bare versions Aug 12 16:34:10 hi all Aug 12 16:34:27 was ITOS affected by the debian libSSL low-entropy bug? Aug 12 16:34:34 pupnik, no. Aug 12 16:34:42 ^^ knows everything Aug 12 16:34:44 Our stuff was (sadly?) way older than it. Aug 12 16:34:48 hahaha Aug 12 16:34:49 Is there any interest in the community council any more? Aug 12 16:35:10 dneary, from me there is. ;) Aug 12 16:35:13 Or rather, is there anyone with sufficient interest in the community council to organise it? :) Aug 12 16:35:18 brontide, you mean newer than 0.9.8? Aug 12 16:35:31 That'd be Jaffa Aug 12 16:35:48 The issue he's worried about is a CoI since he's planning to run. Aug 12 16:35:53 I have to go in a minute, but if people think it's worthwhile, I'd like to take it on as a task for the next sprint (and since I'm taking 2 weeks holidays, it'll have to be rolling by Friday) Aug 12 16:36:04 Must have been from the chinook libs then since I have 0.9.7 ( needed for x11vnc to install ) Aug 12 16:36:07 Jaffa? Aug 12 16:36:15 dneary: ok thanks for the heads-up Aug 12 16:36:20 I'll help you avoid CoI Aug 12 16:36:21 dneary, gonna be here for the Sprint? Aug 12 16:36:23 pupnik: NP Aug 12 16:36:37 I'm gonna be here for the IRC meeting layer, and for the next 3 days Aug 12 16:36:46 either way there should be a libssl.so.X -> libssl.so.0.9.8 so that minor revisions don't bork apps Aug 12 16:36:55 And I've been pretty down in the dumps the last couple of days - pre-holiday blues Aug 12 16:36:58 s/Sprint/Sprint review/ Aug 12 16:36:58 GeneralAntilles meant: dneary, gonna be here for the Sprint review? Aug 12 16:37:08 Anyway, Jaffa'll likely be here then. Aug 12 16:37:09 GA: Yes Aug 12 16:37:21 s/GA/GeneralAntilles/ Aug 12 16:37:22 dneary meant: GeneralAntilles: Yes Aug 12 16:37:43 brontide, or, perhaps, better dependencies specification by packagers? Aug 12 16:38:05 Won't matter since libssl does not have synlinks Aug 12 16:39:33 so until libssl is fixed, apps will need to be linked against one of them and that will break some chinook<->diablo compatibility needlessly Aug 12 16:40:32 i don't see such symlinks on debian either Aug 12 16:41:17 ^ Aug 12 16:41:28 Symlinking system libs like that is usually a bad plan. Aug 12 16:41:46 That's really a packager issue. Aug 12 16:42:08 You mean all the other symlinked system libs are a bad idea Aug 12 16:42:17 maemo.org's about as unstable as it can be. . . . Aug 12 16:42:59 as far as I can tell libssl is the only system lib ( or one of the only ) that does not contain symlinks Aug 12 16:43:21 at least under debian/maemo... works fine under RHEL Aug 12 16:43:37 Gone - be back in a couple of hours Aug 12 16:46:22 brontide, maybe this is to the point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/155784/comments/17 Aug 12 16:48:39 well then they are doing it wrong since RHEL got it right Aug 12 16:49:16 Wouldn't be the first libssl mistake debian made Aug 12 16:50:49 i'm back Aug 12 16:51:29 ugh, karel's less then usefull trolling in the ssu update thread is starting to get to me :( Aug 12 16:51:40 X-Fade, what the hell is going on with maemo.org? Aug 12 16:51:46 Are we still mid-move? Aug 12 16:51:54 haha Aug 12 16:52:20 this is really funny to read some complain on itt Aug 12 16:54:24 hmm, this is a first, now browserd is stuck comsuming 100% of the CPU Aug 12 16:55:19 bah, i need to cut back on the kaffeine while reading itt... Aug 12 16:56:12 t_s_o, just cut back on the itT. ;) Aug 12 16:56:39 i was also confused by the ssu. does it make sense that "update all" complained about each package, "update" on the "operating system upgrade" worked... Aug 12 16:57:12 f*** me, £210 for a dbox2, I don't feel like getting conned today :( Aug 12 16:59:26 dbox2? Aug 12 17:01:17 qwerty12: oh, that's quite a lot Aug 12 17:01:55 t_s_o, Cable boxes. Made by Nokia, not in production anymore. I'm interested in running linux on one. Though the DM7025 is tempting to me though as well. Aug 12 17:02:05 ah Aug 12 17:02:20 florian, yeah :(. I'd grab one of ebay but they are already running neutrino on them. Not sure if I'd be able to flash it easily. Aug 12 17:03:13 t_s_o, goddamn is that thread full of misinformation. Aug 12 17:03:33 tuukkah, please don't leave Red Pill mode on. Aug 12 17:03:37 Fucking Red Pill Aug 12 17:03:50 I'm going to have to begin punishing people who leave it on. Aug 12 17:04:32 heh, murphy is having a field day ;) Aug 12 17:04:48 i'd rather use apt-get, but i suppose i'd get punished either way =) Aug 12 17:05:00 Karel Jansens would rather get fucked by a rhino then reflash the N800. Sounds odd. Aug 12 17:05:10 qwerty12: you need the original os? Aug 12 17:06:24 florian, I've read you need the UCodes out of the original Betanova firmware :/ Aug 12 17:06:54 qwerty12: its karel, nough said... Aug 12 17:07:09 t_s_o, lol, yeah Aug 12 17:07:29 he seems to be channeling ballmer lately tho... Aug 12 17:08:05 lol Aug 12 17:08:20 sjgadsby looks shirtless in his profile picture. Aug 12 17:08:49 qwerty12: well, it might be not leagl but I guess google will find them :-) Aug 12 17:10:07 florian, so true, thanks. legality isn't a problem to me, I plan on following a friend who gets new keys every month on his eurovox :D Aug 12 17:10:26 hehe Aug 12 17:10:28 does u found that modest work better with gmail after the ssu ? Aug 12 17:11:09 metalayer is still here Aug 12 17:11:11 :) Aug 12 17:13:06 it work much better after a killall modest :) Aug 12 17:14:20 does anyone know which repo i can install "the ark" from? Aug 12 17:14:24 t_s_o, Application manager shits all over itself and dies when mmc2 is corrupted and read-only. Aug 12 17:14:27 I wish psdoom didn't use i386 asm :). It literally kills processors :) Aug 12 17:14:39 * lcuk_work is drowning Aug 12 17:14:42 ok, noted, i invalidated by request anyways Aug 12 17:14:49 It caches the .deb files to mmc2 Aug 12 17:15:01 I'm not sure about any temporary storage during the .deb unpacking and install Aug 12 17:15:02 hum ... extras builder still amnesiac Aug 12 17:15:10 which is what clean might clean out. Aug 12 17:15:32 lcuk, "the ark"? Aug 12 17:15:33 ah Aug 12 17:15:46 yer, big boat thing where i can survive a flood Aug 12 17:15:53 lol Aug 12 17:16:00 You have to build that from source Aug 12 17:16:05 :D Aug 12 17:16:16 "source" being a big stack of wood. ;) Aug 12 17:16:17 downloaded from god on a hillside? Aug 12 17:16:40 iu guess i should have tried to get the app manager to do the update rather then gone for -unlocked, but for me to remove the offending lib i had to clear out things like python (i guess i got what was coming for me for mixing diablo and chinook)... Aug 12 17:17:08 apt-get install ark-instructions Aug 12 17:17:08 Error: Depends upon Christianity faith. Aug 12 17:17:15 hmm, new mauku, interesting Aug 12 17:17:31 apt-get install faith Aug 12 17:17:38 -unlocked did fine here Aug 12 17:17:56 It'll be largely dependent on which repositories you have. Aug 12 17:18:03 apt-get install pistol Aug 12 17:18:04 Error: A pistol is too shit for you qwerty12, have an AK-47 instead Aug 12 17:18:12 Ha Aug 12 17:18:30 qwerty12, have you ever even seen a firearm? : Aug 12 17:18:37 P Aug 12 17:18:49 maemo.org profiles are a bit ummm bob. you get points for things like blogs or groups without actually supplying links to them Aug 12 17:19:01 lol Aug 12 17:19:09 GAN800, Well, does a Pump Pellet gun count :P Aug 12 17:19:18 * GAN800 hands lcuk a stick to go poke bergie with. Aug 12 17:19:29 qwerty, no. Aug 12 17:19:34 damn Aug 12 17:19:43 no, i cant go to the admins - if i do i have to admit the shame at digging myself down Aug 12 17:19:44 time to fly Aug 12 17:19:45 BBL Aug 12 17:19:48 much later :P Aug 12 17:19:56 you settin off already? Aug 12 17:20:01 * qwerty12 shoots rm_you while he is mid air Aug 12 17:20:09 lcuk, lie and tell them it was qwerty12. ;) Aug 12 17:20:20 lol Aug 12 17:20:28 they will know its me Aug 12 17:20:34 i shouldnt be able to mark myself down :( Aug 12 17:20:50 <<< FIAL Aug 12 17:20:51 They enabled it just for you. Aug 12 17:22:29 ... as extras builderiks still amnesiac ... i ll watch a zode of stargate ... bye Aug 12 17:23:03 http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/images/ss3.gif <-- My new favourite linux process manager Aug 12 17:23:08 wiki.maemo.org is still 2 out of 3, only 30% of my loads are crapping out Aug 12 17:23:28 * GeneralAntilles pokes X-Fade again. Aug 12 17:24:25 and _marcell_ ran away. . . . Aug 12 17:41:24 New approach: Aug 12 17:41:56 X-Fade, is there anything in particular you want help with for the meeting? :P Aug 12 17:43:16 * Jaffa sees his name in scrollback whilst waiting for the app to rebuild Aug 12 17:43:36 Community council Aug 12 17:43:54 Ah yeah Aug 12 17:44:01 dneary may or may not have volunteered to help push it. Aug 12 17:44:37 What we'll need is the voting system first and foremost; and as I've no idea of the underlying structure of *.maemo.org, I've *no* idea how much work that is. Aug 12 17:45:04 Apparently, from the lists, not a huge amount Aug 12 17:45:26 bergie and/or ferenc volunteered to work on that. Aug 12 17:46:50 GAN800: Stop poking me!!! :) Aug 12 17:47:17 Hey, this one has a treat attached! :D Aug 12 17:48:40 I'm getting permission denied when trying to upload to extras diablo Aug 12 17:48:45 Heh. Aug 12 17:48:50 Do I need to get special access to do so? Aug 12 17:49:10 As in, I've previously been able to upload to chinook with no issue Aug 12 17:49:52 konttori: No, that is intended behaviour. Aug 12 17:50:04 So. What do I need to do? Aug 12 17:50:10 konttori: Ever since the diablo release, it has been that way. Aug 12 17:50:21 konttori: Get your application into extras-devel first. Aug 12 17:50:21 ?? really? Why? Aug 12 17:50:34 Ah - into diablo extras devel I assume Aug 12 17:50:53 And promote it via the promoter: https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/diablo Aug 12 17:50:54 wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Aug 12 17:53:02 So, I upload to /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/diablo or /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-free/diablo Aug 12 17:53:28 konttori: Yes, but obviously we don't want too much non-free. Aug 12 17:56:15 there was no /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-free/diablo Aug 12 17:56:18 Modest is faster and more efficient than Gmail webmail on my 867MHz G4. . . . Aug 12 17:56:21 is it just incoming then? Aug 12 17:57:16 konttori: I've always uploaded to /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo Aug 12 17:57:39 konttori: You might want to read the documentation GA posted. Aug 12 17:57:46 * lcuk titters Aug 12 17:57:47 hey using maemo on SD? can I repatch the kernel? Aug 12 17:57:56 hey any using maemo on SD? can I repatch the kernel? Aug 12 17:58:04 Anunakin, what does "repatch" mean? Aug 12 17:58:14 Reflash a patched kernel? Aug 12 17:58:19 moo. Aug 12 17:58:42 yes Aug 12 17:58:44 AH. Indeed. Now it's uploading. Aug 12 17:59:11 the non-free is just fine for me. thanks Aug 12 17:59:11 GeneralAntilles: because after update ... this stay loading from flash Aug 12 17:59:13 Not that the package will reach the repo today... but hey ;) Aug 12 17:59:21 I did scan through the page GA posted. Aug 12 17:59:48 But I was not able to notice what was the 'free' location. anyway, thanks for your help! Aug 12 18:00:58 konttori: That is because we don't allow binary uploads to free. We always require source. Aug 12 18:01:24 konttori: And only non-free stuff should go to non-free, otherwise it will be removed. Aug 12 18:01:49 Well, I'm doing python stuff, so source is in there. However, the builder scripts might not work on it. Aug 12 18:02:04 konttori: Check out py2deb. Aug 12 18:02:39 Did anybody file a bug about the webmaster mailto on maemo.org server-side error pages being "" Aug 12 18:02:41 ? Aug 12 18:02:47 Khertan wrote that to package your python script up for the autobuilder. Aug 12 18:02:59 * GeneralAntilles doesn't seen one. Aug 12 18:03:02 * GeneralAntilles files. Aug 12 18:03:16 GeneralAntilles: I can't remember seeing a bug for that. Aug 12 18:05:15 zap, pH5: I'm sorry, the ISP messed up and not it seems they have firewalled off the builder ;) Aug 12 18:07:50 "Muhaha, no builder for these losers!" Aug 12 18:08:28 can you install unrar without problems? yesterday the apps manager was saying that the file was corrupted. Aug 12 18:10:04 anybody else also having problems with viewing wiki pages or is it just me? it needs several tries here to get the page displayed... Aug 12 18:10:18 andre___: Yes, server overloaded. Aug 12 18:10:22 ok Aug 12 18:10:41 #3563 Aug 12 18:11:00 We now have an extra type of error message to see when using the wiki Aug 12 18:11:06 It's like christmas. Aug 12 18:12:12 GeneralAntilles: I like the 'Crap...' one ;) Aug 12 18:16:04 Maemo is so cool. Aug 12 18:16:09 X-Fade: cool Aug 12 18:16:17 I love your developers. Aug 12 18:16:18 yes, maemo is soo cool ;) Aug 12 18:16:30 X-Fade: have you read my mail? Aug 12 18:17:33 news? Aug 12 18:17:37 new games? Aug 12 18:17:45 zap: Let me forward it to marcell, he should be able to look at it. Aug 12 18:19:18 I hope it gets fixed :) Aug 12 18:26:16 zap: It seems that the Packages.bz2 file wasn't marked as nocache. The others do. Aug 12 18:26:22 Hi ... again Aug 12 18:26:38 zap: So that will be fixed in the near future. Aug 12 18:26:53 well I don't know how that cluster tech works :) Aug 12 18:26:54 Italodance, the question to "new games?" is always, "No." Aug 12 18:27:12 I thought it should propagate changes between different hosts, like OCFS2 does Aug 12 18:28:04 zap: There are all kinds of options ;) Aug 12 18:28:42 brontide: You should have gotten an invitation by now? Aug 12 18:28:49 yep Aug 12 18:28:53 brontide: Great ;) Aug 12 18:28:55 lol, how can you claim to "undestand" Red Pill and still try and install the Operating System update. . . . Aug 12 18:29:38 Now I'm just going to have to figure out how to get this to work under PyPackager Aug 12 18:29:58 brontide: Ask Khertan ;) Aug 12 18:31:05 Look, I summoned him. Aug 12 18:31:36 Ha Aug 12 18:33:40 can I reflash from diablo back to chinook? Aug 12 18:34:16 Khertan: don't you know some replacement for g_filename_from_uri() in Python? It's a shame, but I see there isn't a direct wrapper for it... Aug 12 18:34:58 kkrusty, sure, but I can't imagine why you would want to. Aug 12 18:35:28 GeneralAntilles: Well I couldnt find pidgin and some other packages for diablo Aug 12 18:35:42 Just grab the Chinook ones, then. . . . Aug 12 18:36:05 GeneralAntilles: then why are they in chinook then? Aug 12 18:36:21 Because the package maintainers haven't put them through the Diablo autobuilder. Aug 12 18:36:26 In summary, for good reasons. Aug 12 18:37:33 Oh hell Aug 12 18:37:42 I forgot to attach the error message to #3564 Aug 12 18:37:52 Now I can't get maemo.org to throw one. Aug 12 18:38:23 Khertan: if I copy over .ssh keys and gpg keys I should be able to use the auto-upload portion of PyPackager, No? Aug 12 18:39:02 GeneralAntilles: Im handing over my N800 to my brother who isnt very linux friendly. I just figured that he could go wrong less with chinook Aug 12 18:39:18 Diablo is the way to go. Aug 12 18:39:25 * kkrusty feels he didnt have to tell GeneralAntilles his life story but did anyway Aug 12 18:39:30 How long until Maemo gets on other devices? Aug 12 18:40:08 er Aug 12 18:40:17 Well, uh, the Beagle can run Maemo. Aug 12 18:40:17 hi, in os2008 how i get battery status in command line? Aug 12 18:40:32 thux, nitapps.com Aug 12 18:41:52 andre___, lol too many mid-air collisions on #3564. I'm not typing my comment out again. Aug 12 18:42:07 Anyway, I mostly wanted to see what people think about having a bugzilla link. Aug 12 18:42:18 Since we have one for the documentation pages, it might also work on error pages. . . . Aug 12 18:42:22 GeneralAntilles, I mean, a phone. Aug 12 18:42:24 GeneralAntilles, you're quick. but i am too! :-P Aug 12 18:42:34 yeah, the idea is good Aug 12 18:42:45 Sargun, "Nokia does not announce future hardware plans." Aug 12 18:42:57 Sargun, either way, hopefully not anytime soon. Aug 12 18:43:02 hehe Aug 12 18:43:11 hopefully? Aug 12 18:43:35 Yes, because cellular BS is bad juju Aug 12 18:43:46 How come? Aug 12 18:43:53 Having to integrate it with Maemo will just negatively impact the whole platform Aug 12 18:44:17 Carrier requirements, government requirements. All sorts of stupid crap that takes time and effort away from making Maemo awesome. Aug 12 18:44:52 andre___, can we have all of tz's reports marked moreinfo by default yet? :P Aug 12 18:45:23 X-Fade, google is DDoSing the website, then? :D Aug 12 18:45:36 GeneralAntilles: And msn and yahoo and... Aug 12 18:45:39 too sad: -( Aug 12 18:45:40 :-( Aug 12 18:45:49 GeneralAntilles: Well, it only takes a few more connections. Aug 12 18:46:36 GeneralAntilles, haha, reminds me of one patch review by Karsten who once wrote "I hereby reject your next patch in advance" Can send you the link if interested :-D Aug 12 18:47:16 Ha Aug 12 18:47:18 Awesome. Aug 12 18:48:09 well, he was totally right. that contributor did nearly everything wrong in his patch Aug 12 18:54:11 Hi Aug 12 18:55:51 * Binky recieved a cold welcome Aug 12 18:56:06 Hi Binky ;) Aug 12 18:56:33 andre___, how's progress on doing away with "nobody@maemo.org"? Aug 12 18:56:33 Woo Hoo! Aug 12 18:56:36 4 minute meeting warning... Aug 12 18:57:36 GeneralAntilles, for some components it's good, for many it's that developers tell me that they don't have time to also watch maemo bugmail. again stuff to discuss with bosses in two weeks, hopefully... Aug 12 18:57:49 X-Fade, What? Aug 12 18:57:51 They need to make time, then. Aug 12 18:58:08 Or delegate somebody to be in charge of their public component. Aug 12 18:59:01 I know of thoughts to have more people for this Aug 12 19:00:00 oh, l Wanted to ask..., ls there any way to run jar files on ITs? Aug 12 19:00:28 I need a set of all-white clothes for dealing with chlorine. I can never seem to avoid spilling just a little on myself. :\ Aug 12 19:00:54 Poke @ everybody. #maemo-meeting Aug 12 19:00:57 Jaffa Aug 12 19:01:52 jaffa Aug 12 19:01:57 dammit Aug 12 19:01:57 wtf? GeneralAntilles , is that an IRC Channel? Aug 12 19:02:00 wrong paste again Aug 12 19:02:07 Binky, yes. Aug 12 19:02:16 today is not a good day for me to be on the internets Aug 12 19:04:01 what is it for? Aug 12 19:04:34 See the URL Aug 12 19:04:38 Sprint review meeting for maemo.org Aug 12 19:05:10 l don't get it. Aug 12 19:05:28 It's for maemo.org work. Aug 12 19:05:53 Ok,thank you. Aug 12 19:05:56 is there a known bug about diablo and batteries getting out-of-juice? Aug 12 19:06:02 (on n800) Aug 12 19:06:14 time to get playing with my 770 again :D Aug 12 19:07:14 worth flashing it to 07? Aug 12 19:07:29 I would go whole-hog and install OS2008HE myself. Aug 12 19:07:31 ~flashing Aug 12 19:07:32 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 12 19:07:39 heh Aug 12 19:07:41 * GeneralAntilles needs to add an SSU section. Aug 12 19:07:58 :P Aug 12 19:08:07 amr, if you boot from mmc, yes Aug 12 19:08:14 i don't boot from mmc Aug 12 19:08:18 not at the minute, anyway Aug 12 19:08:23 hello Aug 12 19:08:34 somebody can help me? Aug 12 19:11:10 i want to flash my nokia 770 with os2008HE, but i have a small problem Aug 12 19:11:24 good timing, i was thinking of doing the same Aug 12 19:11:40 i download the image, and the flasher-3.0 Aug 12 19:11:51 I'd also get flash booting going with that. Aug 12 19:11:56 and install the 48MHz kernel Aug 12 19:12:17 48mhz kernel, Aug 12 19:12:19 ? Aug 12 19:12:38 For MMC bus speed Aug 12 19:12:39 memory card memory speedup Aug 12 19:12:44 bunanson has a guide up somewhere. Aug 12 19:12:49 oh Aug 12 19:12:51 i read it Aug 12 19:13:04 bah, why did my 770 have to go wsod... Aug 12 19:13:20 :( Aug 12 19:13:20 but now i want flashing simple my n770 Aug 12 19:13:32 t_s_o, warranty? Aug 12 19:13:39 atka__, flash away, then. Aug 12 19:13:42 cos the brightest stars burn quickest Aug 12 19:13:44 What's the problem? Aug 12 19:13:54 GeneralAntilles: tried, nokia said no as its a usa model and im in norway Aug 12 19:13:56 Suitable usb device not found, waiting Aug 12 19:14:03 i plug the charger Aug 12 19:14:05 t_s_o, that's so lame. Aug 12 19:14:09 t_s_o, lame excuse really isnt it Aug 12 19:14:11 stupid end of life sale from expansys :( Aug 12 19:14:11 and this is the problem: Aug 12 19:14:16 You got a local consumer protection group you could take that up with? Aug 12 19:14:52 norway is close enough to take the device directly to finland and camp in the reception of nokia until they replace it. Aug 12 19:15:03 lol Aug 12 19:15:06 Usb device found at bus 001, device adress 003 (and under it:) Error claiming usb interface: operation not permitted Aug 12 19:15:14 it also happened after the 21 day complaint time that expansys works with, even tho i would expect it to work like norwegian consumer laws given they have a page and office here. but damned if i can get hold of anyone with half a brain... Aug 12 19:15:39 atka__, sudo flasher-3.0 . . . . Aug 12 19:15:47 hm... Aug 12 19:15:51 so i ended up getting a used N800 and have been happy with that so far. still, that 770 is to date a expensive paperweight... Aug 12 19:15:53 ok, i will test it Aug 12 19:16:14 atka__, "operation not permitted" pretty much always means you need root. . . . Aug 12 19:16:25 on the desktop end Aug 12 19:16:35 ^^ Aug 12 19:18:02 oooh yeah Aug 12 19:18:05 flashing Aug 12 19:18:08 thank you Aug 12 19:18:16 and sorry for my lame question :$ Aug 12 19:19:24 atka__, dont worry, ive been asking sillier questions for the last 8 months :) Aug 12 19:19:44 ^ the hilarious windows user. :P Aug 12 19:19:48 * lcuk is eternally grateful to the members here Aug 12 19:20:09 i think i'll give thememaker another go Aug 12 19:20:13 :) Aug 12 19:21:03 GeneralAntilles, :) i think im over my hump with most things now. gaining confidence and kinda seem able to do stuff Aug 12 19:21:05 i might just say screw it and buy an n800/n810 Aug 12 19:21:15 Do Aug 12 19:21:23 They're lightyears ahead of the 770. Aug 12 19:21:28 Just ask Hedgecore. Aug 12 19:21:35 yeah but i'm not really using my 770 as it is :x Aug 12 19:21:39 mostly for ebooks Aug 12 19:21:55 i regret not picking an n800 up when they were dirt cheap around january Aug 12 19:22:03 ebay Aug 12 19:22:08 then keep it as is - some people need a calculator but get sold a macbook Aug 12 19:22:09 yeah i'm looking right now :D Aug 12 19:23:05 i could really do with another 8x0 Aug 12 19:23:40 another? Aug 12 19:23:43 give me yours pls Aug 12 19:24:11 hmmm the os2008he sexiest than the os2007he :D Aug 12 19:24:13 no, i need a pair of them to test some networking code Aug 12 19:25:02 ah Aug 12 19:25:36 its not the same pretending my desktop is another 810 Aug 12 19:30:21 how handy, my tablet only receives data after it has sent some Aug 12 19:30:24 like on xchat Aug 12 19:30:29 messages only come in after ive just sent one Aug 12 19:30:35 psm Aug 12 19:30:43 Just let XChat idle. ;) Aug 12 19:30:54 i've been trying Aug 12 19:31:23 currently sat there with some old messages on it's screen Aug 12 19:33:13 :/ Aug 12 19:33:15 that's annoying Aug 12 19:33:35 Well, it only increases the battery life by about 4 days Aug 12 19:33:40 Feel free to turn it off Aug 12 19:33:50 It's in the connectivity controls somewhere under advanced. Aug 12 19:33:55 what, wireless? Aug 12 19:33:55 :p Aug 12 19:33:59 oh? Aug 12 19:34:03 lardman, how do we deal with projects like you suggested where the author is not around Aug 12 19:34:04 wtf i didn't know it actually did that Aug 12 19:34:15 here i am thinking my router is busted Aug 12 19:34:16 or my tablet is Aug 12 19:34:27 wifi power saving mode Aug 12 19:34:31 lcuk: no idea, assuming the author can't be contacted, I'm sure X-Fade could make someone new the admin Aug 12 19:34:37 Cycles the radio on and off a few times a second. Aug 12 19:34:53 lcuk: it's just that I'd not even seen these Aug 12 19:34:55 hmm i don't see it Aug 12 19:34:57 but thats a bit mean - i suppose people wont mind Aug 12 19:35:10 lcuk: perhaps I need to spend more time browsing Garage to see what's in there :) Aug 12 19:35:16 i agree - lots of things get started and not completed Aug 12 19:35:57 GeneralAntilles where abouts is it? Aug 12 19:36:02 yer, like i said - if you wanna head up a programming posse to try to fix up some projects (maybe away from the general mailing list) i would join in where possible Aug 12 19:36:03 not seeing a power saving mode option Aug 12 19:36:19 we can pool our skills and bring specific projects forward a litttle bit :) Aug 12 19:36:30 lcuk: I'm pretty busy atm with what I already have :( Aug 12 19:36:36 not the only one Aug 12 19:36:39 amr, somewhere in the per-connection configuration options. Aug 12 19:36:42 There's a tab for it. Aug 12 19:36:52 just keep it open - people will pull together when needed if the cause is worthwhile Aug 12 19:36:52 hmm i'll keep looking then Aug 12 19:36:53 thanks Aug 12 19:37:00 we shall give you a batphone Aug 12 19:37:06 but perhaps a bit of adversiting and a sort of sprint on a project might be good Aug 12 19:37:22 heh, i start the web browser, and my tablet reboot, nice... :D Aug 12 19:37:33 swap on? Aug 12 19:37:45 omg, no, thanx Aug 12 19:37:48 i see 'other' that talks about transmission power Aug 12 19:37:50 but not psm Aug 12 19:37:54 agreed - it was good seeing everyone doing a little bit on the barcode thing :) Aug 12 19:37:59 i see i can edit it using gconf though Aug 12 19:38:11 atka__, OS2008HE doesn't work without swap. Aug 12 19:38:14 let us know if you find something decent :) Aug 12 19:38:19 amr, OS2007? Aug 12 19:38:28 whatever is on the nokia 770 Aug 12 19:38:32 so uh, 06? Aug 12 19:38:38 OS2005-OS2008 Aug 12 19:38:44 Could be anything. ;) Aug 12 19:38:53 Ugly blue/red/green/orange theme? Aug 12 19:38:56 lcuk: I might trawl through Garage and look for projects which a) look cool and/or b) are quiescent Aug 12 19:38:59 i activate the swap, one minute ^^ Aug 12 19:39:05 That configuration was added in OS2007, I believe. Aug 12 19:39:18 ah Aug 12 19:39:19 Maybe gconf, maybe not configurable in the old OSes. Aug 12 19:39:41 (with IT2006, it is not configurable). Aug 12 19:39:42 ah shag. Aug 12 19:39:52 Put OS2008HE on there Aug 12 19:39:53 looks like i'm upgrading Aug 12 19:39:56 OS2006 sucks. Aug 12 19:40:04 do i need to do anything special other than flash it using the tool? Aug 12 19:40:14 Nope Aug 12 19:40:15 ~flashing Aug 12 19:40:16 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 12 19:40:20 cool beans, thanks Aug 12 19:40:24 Just make sure you enable swap Aug 12 19:40:38 and I would look into MMC booting and 48MHz kernel. Aug 12 19:40:52 i'll google those too Aug 12 19:40:52 thanks Aug 12 19:41:35 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22155 Aug 12 19:41:40 heh, that looks like exactly what i need Aug 12 19:41:51 now creating virtual memory for the card ^^ ): Aug 12 19:41:52 :) Aug 12 19:53:49 yeah, working Aug 12 19:55:30 hmm, that authoritative list is curious, are there really that many "hamradio" apps? Aug 12 19:55:46 Hehe Aug 12 19:56:06 Yeah, a bit strange. Aug 12 19:56:26 * lardman would be tempted to tweak AppManager to lump all non-allowed section tags to be placed under a "Junk" category Aug 12 19:56:46 Hehe Aug 12 19:56:58 I'm not entirely against that as a possible solution. Aug 12 19:57:09 Is there a list of the currently used section tags? Aug 12 19:57:10 But I'd rather just see things put in the correct places. Aug 12 19:57:13 what on earth is the 'swap key' ? Aug 12 19:57:15 i.e. the ones which we don't want? Aug 12 19:57:18 Why does autobuilder even allow non-sanctioned categories Aug 12 19:57:20 amr, Home key. Aug 12 19:57:25 ah Aug 12 19:57:25 ty Aug 12 19:57:26 brontide: indeed Aug 12 19:57:36 brontide, because we don't have a list of what's sanctioned Aug 12 19:57:48 and there wasn't a good consensus the last time it was discussed. Aug 12 19:57:59 GeneralAntilles: some people may always want their own category though Aug 12 19:58:01 There was a sizeable objection from gcobb. Aug 12 19:58:12 Whose opinion should weigh heavily. Aug 12 19:58:21 updating, woowoo Aug 12 19:59:02 I do like the idea of debtags though, not sure how to make it work unconfusingly though Aug 12 19:59:34 I really wish we had somebody with a lot of experience and a real opinion. Aug 12 19:59:47 Rather than a lot of us just flailing around. Aug 12 19:59:48 maybe an upstream guru Aug 12 19:59:57 Sounds like a good idea. Aug 12 19:59:59 GeneralAntilles: I don't see any real problem here though, we just make a decision, see if it works Aug 12 20:00:00 i really wish opensource had some nice program designers :< Aug 12 20:00:01 Gotta find one. . . . Aug 12 20:00:05 instead of good programmers Aug 12 20:00:18 lardman, well, it tends to be non-trivial to change these things on the fly. Aug 12 20:00:21 as well as good programmers ! Aug 12 20:00:23 even Aug 12 20:00:46 So getting something in that works well on the first try is important Aug 12 20:00:58 I do like the idea of App manager lumping everything that it doesn't understand into Other Aug 12 20:01:09 and then we can sort it out as we go Aug 12 20:01:12 and enforcing capitalization. Aug 12 20:01:27 An authoritative list enforcement by Application manager is good for localization, too. Aug 12 20:01:45 How about an autobuilder warning Aug 12 20:01:48 oh my Aug 12 20:01:50 2008 is hot. Aug 12 20:02:02 GeneralAntilles: I'll have to re-read the ml posts Aug 12 20:02:07 bbiab Aug 12 20:02:14 brontide, maybe. Aug 12 20:02:28 that will bring attention to the issue without changing the status quo Aug 12 20:02:29 Personally, I'm in favor of rejecting packages that don't comply. Aug 12 20:05:07 do I have to do anything special to install the "OS2008 Feature upgrade 1:4.2008.30-2" if I boot off a SD card? Aug 12 20:05:57 GA: I think we should be strict, that's probably the easiest option. If it doesn't comply, reject. Aug 12 20:06:04 gentooer, nope. Aug 12 20:06:10 GA: You're a pastafarian? Aug 12 20:06:38 lardman, only a little around the eyes. ;) Aug 12 20:06:52 I'm about as un-religious as they get. Aug 12 20:07:11 milhouse, yeah so do I, but we need consensus before we can do that. Aug 12 20:07:16 Just saw your "Praise FSM!" ;) Aug 12 20:07:46 Can't we just make a decision? :) Getting consensus seems to be one of the biggest problems - I'd say make the decision, and if anyone disagrees then deal with it after. Aug 12 20:07:47 is it just my device or is the max volume on 2008he super quiet? Aug 12 20:07:48 $DIETY wasn't coming to me, so I went with the next best thing. :D Aug 12 20:08:05 milhouse, prod that discussion on -developers again. Aug 12 20:08:17 GeneralAntilles, i just upgraded and overwrote my modified initfs and now i'm running off internal memory :( Aug 12 20:08:25 Some people who actually use the thing had some objections, so. . . . Aug 12 20:08:48 GA: Has the never ending packages debate kicked off again on -developers? I've not been paying attention to it much of late :( Aug 12 20:08:50 gentooer, when fanoush's flasher asks you if you want it to spit out a jffs2 image of the initfs, say "yes" Aug 12 20:08:55 Then copy that over to your computer Aug 12 20:09:08 Then you can re-flash your initfs with flasher-3.0. Aug 12 20:09:15 milhouse, not recently Aug 12 20:09:28 I'm still referring to the last big one from a few months ago. Aug 12 20:09:42 i thought we were close to agreeing a set list of categories, based on the maemo standard ones which everyone ignored ? Aug 12 20:10:01 No, the category list isn't the biggest issue Aug 12 20:10:05 It's still enforcement. Aug 12 20:10:09 if we now have autobuilder for extras, isn't it relatively easy just to boot out any non-confirming builds? Aug 12 20:10:15 oh right gotcha Aug 12 20:10:32 well, how much consensus do we need? will 2 do? Aug 12 20:10:33 ok this may be massively obvious Aug 12 20:10:33 :) Aug 12 20:10:42 but how do i turn the onscreen keyboard back on with 2008he ? Aug 12 20:10:57 amr, use center-dpad to activate Aug 12 20:10:57 i realise 2008 devices have a hardware keyboard so i assume that's why it's not coming up Aug 12 20:11:04 ah i'm a lemon Aug 12 20:11:04 Thumb detection is funky in Chinook. Aug 12 20:11:21 Diablo fixes it, but Diablo isn't yet (ever?) out for the 770. Aug 12 20:11:44 milhouse, we may want to put an RfC on the wiki and CC -developers. Aug 12 20:11:52 Give it a few weeks, see what people say, go from there. Aug 12 20:12:08 Helping X-Fade get the proposal in good shape is the first step, though. Aug 12 20:12:39 I would say that sounds perfect - make the proposal, and see what the reaction is... I'd say most will go along with it. Aug 12 20:12:45 a decision is better than no decision. Aug 12 20:13:24 Oh hell Aug 12 20:13:35 30-2 disabled maemo.org Extras. Aug 12 20:13:39 What the fuck, Nokia?! Aug 12 20:14:13 so it did - same here Aug 12 20:14:15 twats. Aug 12 20:14:16 * brontide picks jaw up off the floor Aug 12 20:14:21 heh, not a good start Aug 12 20:14:33 what do they use for regression testing a magic 8 ball? Aug 12 20:14:36 08he just soiled itself Aug 12 20:14:38 That retarded nokia-repositories package. Aug 12 20:14:56 andre___, should we add a 4.1+ version? Aug 12 20:15:05 yeah, i added some of repos... i love os2008 ^^ Aug 12 20:15:13 I'm tempted to file this Extras bug as critical . . . Aug 12 20:15:28 * GeneralAntilles is thinking out arguments to justify it as "data loss" in his head. Aug 12 20:15:54 atka__ is your sound screwed? Aug 12 20:16:17 seems like certain frequencies are being dropped Aug 12 20:16:23 like vocals in songs are massively reduced Aug 12 20:16:27 i can't hear sound effects very well Aug 12 20:16:59 GeneralAntilles, yeah, also thought about that Aug 12 20:17:05 will do that tomorrow, ok? Aug 12 20:17:15 andre___, yeah, no rush. Aug 12 20:17:15 amr, i cant mean your question Aug 12 20:17:29 :$ Aug 12 20:17:31 can you hear sound effects okay in 08he? Aug 12 20:17:52 oh, yes :) Aug 12 20:18:02 oh hrm Aug 12 20:18:22 but i switch off sound effects Aug 12 20:18:24 this is frustrating :( Aug 12 20:18:28 yeah so do i, but my sound is very broken Aug 12 20:18:39 i'll see if it's the same with headphones Aug 12 20:18:41 konttori, ping. Aug 12 20:19:13 GeneralAntilles, i want rush! push me! ;-) Aug 12 20:19:41 andre___, do everything now or stick poking will commence in 3... 2... ! Aug 12 20:19:47 off: there is a hungarian? :) Aug 12 20:21:11 eeks Aug 12 20:21:33 Joreggelt. Aug 12 20:22:02 :D Aug 12 20:22:27 Neked is. Aug 12 20:22:50 yeah my sound is definitely screwed Aug 12 20:22:59 and i'm randomly rebooting Aug 12 20:23:03 heh, think i'll download the image again Aug 12 20:23:29 ~flashing Aug 12 20:23:30 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 12 20:24:52 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 Aug 12 20:24:54 Please vote. Aug 12 20:25:03 konttori, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 anything you can do to push that internally. Aug 12 20:25:09 That's really unacceptable. Aug 12 20:25:14 Downright evil, really. Aug 12 20:25:18 For a variety of reasons. Aug 12 20:27:41 GeneralAntilles: vote + comment confirming Aug 12 20:28:18 Love it "Nokia doesn't arbitrarily screw with user settings on a live system." Aug 12 20:28:38 Man, that one really got to me. Aug 12 20:28:45 Everything about that is wrong Aug 12 20:28:56 There's no reason to touch Extras, they aren't changing anything. Aug 12 20:29:02 At this point why isn't Maemo extras enabled by default Aug 12 20:29:09 The only repository they need to touch is the Tableteer upgrade repo. Aug 12 20:29:15 brontide, ahahah . . . no. Aug 12 20:29:53 maemo.org Extras being a community repository and not a Nokia one, they have no business touching it. Aug 12 20:30:00 I didn't notice extras getting disabled.. Aug 12 20:30:21 Then why even list it be default Aug 12 20:30:25 The irony of ironies is disabling it with a package named "nokia-repositories" Aug 12 20:30:29 s/be/by/ Aug 12 20:30:29 brontide meant: Then why even list it by default Aug 12 20:30:41 Because it's where people get all of their software from Aug 12 20:30:48 Nope. Actually I got a second one Aug 12 20:30:54 So it's just a few taps to un-disable it. Aug 12 20:31:02 Rather than having to add it on their own. Aug 12 20:31:11 New profile listing is in place. Aug 12 20:31:12 It's just a single tap to run and .install file that will add it Aug 12 20:31:31 Meh, you have to open a browser and find a website that has a .install Aug 12 20:31:35 That's more work to me. Aug 12 20:31:45 What version of nokia-repository should there be on 30-2? Aug 12 20:31:49 brontide, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3279 Aug 12 20:32:05 is there anyway I can just mount the internal memory partitions and access them directly? Aug 12 20:32:05 https://maemo.org/profile/list/category/blogs/ for example. Aug 12 20:32:12 XTL, the only repository change is "diablo-1" for the upgrade repository Aug 12 20:32:20 Which seems like a bad way to do things to me. :\ Aug 12 20:32:25 how big an mmc do i need for mmcboot? Aug 12 20:32:29 08he if that matters Aug 12 20:32:36 amr, at least 256MB Aug 12 20:32:38 (Again, base packages don't show a repo for me on policy) Aug 12 20:32:40 oh that's mine Aug 12 20:32:41 fine* Aug 12 20:33:23 so basically, flash to 08he, get the 48mhz kernel, flash the kernel Aug 12 20:33:29 then look at mmc booting? Aug 12 20:33:36 amr, right. Aug 12 20:33:44 (sorry for being horribly new, i haven't touched my tablet in about a year) Aug 12 20:33:52 GeneralAntilles: Are you a user of oeforums? Aug 12 20:34:04 Anunakin, no. Aug 12 20:34:33 any particular reason the web-browser grinds to a complete halt whenever you visit a site with more then one or two flash items ? Aug 12 20:34:38 it just runs out of memory or ? Aug 12 20:34:44 Hrm, it'd be nice to have a full overview page for karma. Aug 12 20:34:46 GeneralAntilles: OK... because on old times... I saw a GA on Zaurus forums Aug 12 20:35:43 Having a bunch of separate pages for each individual item is kinda awkward. Aug 12 20:36:00 and bugs is missing from the "sort by" list. Aug 12 20:36:41 GeneralAntilles: Well, no. Now I can see that yerga is the absolute application king ;) Aug 12 20:37:53 30-2 would actually have been a good opportunity for Nokia to fix the Extras branding in Application manager if they were gonna fuck with it anyway. Aug 12 20:37:57 * GeneralAntilles rolleyes. Aug 12 20:38:36 christ i can't even open the repository list Aug 12 20:39:01 just rebooted, nice Aug 12 20:39:34 amr, OS2007HE is a bit more stable if OS2008HE doesn't work for you. Aug 12 20:39:46 yeah i might have to give that a bash, heh Aug 12 20:39:50 I use OS2008HE and like it a lot, but it's hit or miss for some people. Aug 12 20:39:53 which tablet do you have? Aug 12 20:40:49 770 and N800 Aug 12 20:40:57 son of a bitch... Aug 12 20:41:02 it restarted again trying to open the repos list Aug 12 20:41:07 BULLE, because flash is slow and shitty. Aug 12 20:41:30 BULLE, flash brings my 2x2.5GHz G5 grinding to a halt sometimes. Aug 12 20:41:35 lol Aug 12 20:41:40 We have 400MHz and very little RAM to work with. Aug 12 20:42:06 07he is being downloaded Aug 12 20:42:19 what a pain Aug 12 20:42:44 amr, I'd just get an N800 and call it a day. ;) Aug 12 20:42:47 heh Aug 12 20:42:50 i'm very tempted Aug 12 20:42:55 oh it rebooted again :x Aug 12 20:43:15 Something's probably wrong. Aug 12 20:43:25 it's the applications manager that does it Aug 12 20:43:35 could be a corrupt sources.list Aug 12 20:43:42 hum Aug 12 20:43:52 Though odd that the watchdog would kick in for that. . . . Aug 12 20:44:28 it's computers - they're generally odd :( Aug 12 20:46:55 i don't know whether it's doing it automatically after a time Aug 12 20:47:06 i just typed in to x-term: cat /etc/apt/sources.list Aug 12 20:47:16 and as soon as i hit tab to complete sources.list - it rebooted Aug 12 20:47:21 It also kills it when it goes too lock in a CPU lock Aug 12 20:47:24 Oh? Aug 12 20:47:29 Sounds broken. Aug 12 20:47:33 sounds massively broken Aug 12 20:47:38 Reflash? Aug 12 20:47:43 Odd, though. Aug 12 20:47:49 already done with a newly downloaded copy of 08 Aug 12 20:47:52 i'll give 07 a go Aug 12 20:48:02 anything critical in 08 that isn't in 07? Aug 12 20:48:12 A lot of fixes and improvements. Aug 12 20:48:16 oh :( Aug 12 20:48:24 New software compatibility. Aug 12 20:48:32 I'd try 07 and see how it goes, though, Aug 12 20:48:36 well i made do with 06, hopefully 07 will do Aug 12 20:48:42 It's not super-critical. Aug 12 20:50:18 andre___, happen to recall the "tap-to-hide-notification-banner" bug number? Aug 12 20:50:32 Ahaha Aug 12 20:50:59 "It was my understanding that once OS2008/Diablo was installed, that future updates to the OS would not require a reboot". Aug 12 20:51:01 Awesome. Aug 12 20:51:15 Guess that guy is really, _really_ concerned about uptime, eh? Aug 12 20:51:32 well. i think he's just a very average user. Aug 12 20:51:51 err, don't even know which bug exactly you have in mind Aug 12 20:51:59 It's a Sean Luke bug Aug 12 20:52:01 I'll find it Aug 12 20:52:19 * timelyx chuckles Aug 12 20:52:25 my ipod required a reboot (or 2) for 2.0.1 Aug 12 20:52:33 reboots are not really a serious concern Aug 12 20:52:48 a more interesting requirement is that you actually be able to use SSU at all Aug 12 20:52:55 * timelyx is somewhat concerned about that part Aug 12 20:53:11 GeneralAntilles, 1253? Aug 12 20:53:25 That's the one Aug 12 20:53:31 I think that's resolved for Diablo Aug 12 20:53:40 most infobanners seem to go away when I tap them now, anyway. Aug 12 20:53:53 not all. Aug 12 20:53:56 heh, it was 08 that broke my sound, 07 seems to be okay Aug 12 20:54:08 No, active ones like "Updating..." don't Aug 12 20:54:17 i'm still annoyed that after removing the lock and tapping the loudspeaker symbol, i have to wait to change the volume Aug 12 20:54:21 BULLE: you shouldn't expect anything to handle multiple flash applets well Aug 12 20:54:28 But stupid ones like "Nokia thinks they're a really green company, and thinks this banner will impress you" do. Aug 12 20:54:39 haha Aug 12 20:54:45 ok, det ble ikke mer enn fire mil på sykkel. Vel, det holder vel. Aug 12 20:54:56 (pent og rolig og se seg om blir det jo sånn) Aug 12 20:55:15 * GeneralAntilles is still really pissed about that bug. Aug 12 20:55:26 uh, wrong channel. Aug 12 20:55:28 Veggen, does that really belong here? :-) Aug 12 20:55:29 They've added it to the charing screen, too. . . Aug 12 20:55:32 ah :) Aug 12 20:56:20 If Nokia ACTUALLY gave two licks about the environment, they'd stop producing billions and billions of disposable cellphones. Aug 12 20:56:29 Hypocrisy at its finest. Aug 12 20:56:30 GeneralAntilles: i was in the meeting about that Aug 12 20:56:38 it was very depressing Aug 12 20:56:53 but basically my understanding is that it came from some EU reg Aug 12 20:57:04 No shit? Aug 12 20:57:10 and basically had nothing to do w/ being green and everything to do w/ regulatory compliance Aug 12 20:57:17 Awesome. Aug 12 20:57:26 ~free market ftw Aug 12 20:57:35 Can't they ship a US-only firmware so as to not piss me the fuck off? :D Aug 12 20:57:50 i was there because i was making some other ChangeRequest and we got lumped together Aug 12 20:57:54 heh Aug 12 20:58:49 andre___, I'm so used to that stupid lock banner that I don't even notice anymore. Aug 12 20:58:57 Yet another reason we need soft poweroff. Aug 12 20:59:55 ...and i should stop working for today and get into a club. well, half an hour left :) Aug 12 21:01:35 andre___: so... how's templating? :) Aug 12 21:02:03 GeneralAntilles, wow, you seem like you've had a rough day Aug 12 21:02:16 chill, you're the king of nerves bro Aug 12 21:02:36 crashanddie, nah, I'm fine, just one of my steam release sessions re: Nokia. ;) Aug 12 21:02:39 timelyx, another topic for tonight? no way, ping tomorrow again ;-) Aug 12 21:02:58 oh yeah, tonight was supposed to be a sprint, right ? Aug 12 21:03:07 Yeah, just finished up a little while ago Aug 12 21:03:11 lol Aug 12 21:03:14 GeneralAntilles: can you ping sjgadsby about adding back bugjars to the blog w/ proper dates? Aug 12 21:03:21 I think I'm going to give titles to those sprints Aug 12 21:03:31 timelyx, I'll send him a PM. Aug 12 21:03:34 last month's sprint "the one with way too much things on it" Aug 12 21:03:35 thanks Aug 12 21:03:49 and this month's "the one nobody knew anything about" Aug 12 21:03:52 crashanddie, http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ logs'll be there whenever X-Fade posts them. Aug 12 21:04:04 GeneralAntilles, thanks Aug 12 21:04:05 Hehe, I thought it was on the 22nd for some reason. Aug 12 21:04:20 4 days ago the wiki page was empty as hell Aug 12 21:04:38 well, not that hell has been near emptiness at any point, but still Aug 12 21:05:55 maemo.org seems to be held together with bailing wire at the moment Aug 12 21:05:57 crashanddie, that's quite normal because people were working on Sprint3 at that time ;-) Aug 12 21:06:33 andre___, oh btw, you the one I talked about belgium after last sprint ? Aug 12 21:06:54 crashanddie, yes :) Aug 12 21:07:17 andre___, I managed to get the 1h30 long video about Belgium splitting Aug 12 21:07:25 andre___, I can share a link if you want :) Aug 12 21:07:44 yes! :) Aug 12 21:07:48 great! Aug 12 21:08:13 hang on Aug 12 21:08:57 andre___, it's in french with dutch subs, it's the best I could get, really Aug 12 21:09:17 it's both fine, definitely Aug 12 21:10:14 though i have to decide whether to listen or to read. hmm :) Aug 12 21:10:53 timelyx, pinged. Aug 12 21:12:02 thx Aug 12 21:15:46 * GeneralAntilles wishes guenther had been at the sprint review so he could've poked him about the templates. Aug 12 21:16:41 GeneralAntilles, he's got his birthday today. he should be back tomorrow Aug 12 21:17:00 lol Aug 12 21:17:07 * GeneralAntilles has a birthday present for him. :D Aug 12 21:19:50 night all Aug 12 21:20:18 andre___: so um Aug 12 21:20:22 4.1+ sucks Aug 12 21:20:33 could we possibly use 4.1, 4.1.1, 4.1.2, ... ? Aug 12 21:20:44 i think you'll find there are going to be a number of those Aug 12 21:21:07 I doubt anybody will actually be able to say it'll be coming with that sort of certainty. Aug 12 21:21:19 A bunch of Modest updates didn't make 30-2 Aug 12 21:21:40 well, predicting when things happen is hard Aug 12 21:21:52 but once they're resolved, it's certainly possible to fix things to the proper release Aug 12 21:22:14 Certainly Aug 12 21:23:08 * crashanddie is tempted to add "Happy BDay Guenther !" in the topic, but considering the formal topics in this channel, resists Aug 12 21:23:35 timelyx, it's been like always... i asked nokia folks, and nokia folks couldn't tell me any plans. from nowadays point of view i prefer .1 and .2 too, but at that time i had no idea whether nokia will have huge updates (like yesterday) or maybe release only one package at a time Aug 12 21:24:08 at least it would make querying for changes included in version X a little bit easier Aug 12 21:25:18 but i agree that "4.1+" is becoming vague now, especially if there's going to be a second update Aug 12 21:25:40 ...the General agrees here? that's nearly a bugsquad majority then ;-) Aug 12 21:26:12 I don't have a strong opinion either way Aug 12 21:26:20 There are issues with both implementations Aug 12 21:26:27 But 4.1+ is really ugly Aug 12 21:26:32 what's the issues with having .1 and .2? Aug 12 21:26:48 yeah, i expected smaller and more often updates at that time Aug 12 21:27:00 Well, it's likely to piss some people off when Nokia doesn't ship fixes according to the TM. Aug 12 21:27:15 you know, there's always a way Aug 12 21:27:23 fwiw, one approach you can use Aug 12 21:27:25 ship a new update, every wednesday (or other day of the week) Aug 12 21:27:26 is make a 4.1+ Aug 12 21:27:32 and then rename it to 4.1.1 Aug 12 21:27:35 even if there's no real work :P Aug 12 21:27:35 and then make a new 4.1+ Aug 12 21:27:37 (done) Aug 12 21:27:40 and move things out that miss the boat Aug 12 21:27:51 in the case where very few things actually make the boat Aug 12 21:27:53 just make 4.1 Aug 12 21:27:56 err 4.1.1 Aug 12 21:28:27 Weeklies are how they do it for the internal testing. Aug 12 21:28:51 * GeneralAntilles guesses he should remove the maemo logo from the ITOS article. . . . Aug 12 21:28:52 bimonthly would be nice, too Aug 12 21:28:56 don't expect weeklies for public releases Aug 12 21:29:03 why not ? Aug 12 21:29:15 because weekly is our increment of work Aug 12 21:29:21 just make two versions, bleeding edge, and stable Aug 12 21:29:27 um Aug 12 21:29:30 splitting qa is bad Aug 12 21:29:35 we're already splitting engineering Aug 12 21:29:53 bleh, splitting engineers isn't that hard Aug 12 21:30:05 * GeneralAntilles gets out a chainsaw. Aug 12 21:30:10 just a nice big whack with an axe Aug 12 21:30:21 GeneralAntilles, polluter Aug 12 21:30:29 and proud of it! Aug 12 21:30:32 GeneralAntilles, think of the children ! Aug 12 21:30:45 well, current update has a 30 in it. it was made public in 33. i don't think weekly public updates make sense right now, while having a beta of fremantle will make sense (different topic) Aug 12 21:30:51 Alternative answer: but it's a hybrid! Aug 12 21:31:35 I wish I had an answer for the wikipedia branding. Aug 12 21:31:45 GeneralAntilles, using hybrid doesn't make you eco-friendly, it just makes you a sheep who buys the marketing's latest invention Aug 12 21:31:50 ;) Aug 12 21:32:20 timelyx, I know we'll never see weekly/bimonthly updates, it's just wishful thinking Aug 12 21:32:37 though, am I right in believing the browser has gained some serious speed ? Aug 12 21:32:41 or just placebo effect ? Aug 12 21:32:50 It has gained speed. Aug 12 21:32:58 Especially with opening/closing windows. Aug 12 21:33:14 well, I've been feeling loading pages is quite faster Aug 12 21:33:25 quite a bit, actually Aug 12 21:33:51 I had a bit of a "this is where we should've been in 2005" moment when I used it. Aug 12 21:34:06 lol Aug 12 21:34:11 2005 ? With the 770 ? Aug 12 21:34:52 GeneralAntilles, you know, if people had started off seeing the NIT for what it was, instead of porting huge code-bases and then blaming the hardware for not being fast enough, we wouldn't be in such a mess right now Aug 12 21:35:05 Ha Aug 12 21:35:27 * GeneralAntilles can't wait for Fremantle MicroB. Aug 12 21:35:37 I'm not waiting for MicroB anymore Aug 12 21:35:44 I think I'm going to start writing my own browser Aug 12 21:35:45 I never was Aug 12 21:35:51 lol Aug 12 21:35:53 goodluckwiththat Aug 12 21:36:07 [clarkson] How hard can it be? [/clarkson] Aug 12 21:36:11 :-D Aug 12 21:36:15 well, not the whole browser, obviously Aug 12 21:36:31 but, things like the UI, stuff like that Aug 12 21:36:33 A need MicroB front-end not crippled by Nokia would be nice, though. Aug 12 21:36:57 hey... I'm curious about ogg vorbis in diablo, anyone knows when it might be ready? Aug 12 21:37:09 s/ogg vorbis/ogg vorbis support/ Aug 12 21:37:10 gregorovius meant: hey... I'm curious about ogg vorbis support in diablo, anyone knows when it might be ready? Aug 12 21:37:23 like, not having the boggled menus in the way, taking up god knows how much screen real estate Aug 12 21:37:40 gregorovius, held up by managers and lawyers. . . . Aug 12 21:37:48 having panning feel snippy and good responsiveness Aug 12 21:37:52 crashanddie: contribute to fennec :) Aug 12 21:37:53 I'm tired of sluggish browsers Aug 12 21:38:06 xul is such a space eater Aug 12 21:38:14 * timelyx shrugs Aug 12 21:38:20 Do you guys know fennec is slang for something not nice in french ? Aug 12 21:38:24 (but then again, almost everything is) Aug 12 21:38:28 fennec argues that you'll have no onscreen space spent on xul Aug 12 21:38:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_Fox Aug 12 21:39:50 GeneralAntilles, have you ever seen one of those ? Aug 12 21:39:53 I mean, for real ? Aug 12 21:40:08 Likely at a zoo somewhere, but I couldn't say for certain. ;) Aug 12 21:40:08 those things STINK ! Aug 12 21:40:32 Most animals do. ;) Aug 12 21:40:35 no Aug 12 21:40:38 most animals have an odour Aug 12 21:40:44 Fennecs stink Aug 12 21:40:49 GeneralAntilles: what do you mean? it's already working but held up by burocracy? Aug 12 21:41:09 timelyx, I've been thinking about it Aug 12 21:41:15 gregorovius, I don't know about anything Nokia has internally, but it's not really technical issues holding things up. Aug 12 21:41:24 Nokia is having some weirdness Aug 12 21:41:27 ^ Aug 12 21:41:36 They were weird about OGG in HTML 5. Aug 12 21:42:23 anyway, I'm going to watch 28 weeks later Aug 12 21:42:24 is there any way to unoficially fix this in the meanwhile? I installed mogg from the chinook repo and youamp, but I'd rather use ogg-support with canola Aug 12 21:42:33 I need to fry my brain a bit with poor acting Aug 12 21:43:01 anyone happen to know if a headset+mic that works with the nokia n810? (other than what came with it, a real headset for skype or sip) Aug 12 21:43:17 crashanddie, action's pretty good Aug 12 21:43:20 TO UNDERSTAND GEORGIA LISTEN TO THIS http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/audio/download/4102/Anti-War_Radio_%2811am_on_Aug_12th%2C_2008%29.mp3 Aug 12 21:43:26 how doesn't the one that came with it not work, dmz ? Aug 12 21:43:29 The sniper scene is quite a thing to watch. Aug 12 21:43:44 GeneralAntilles, no spoilers, kthxbai Aug 12 21:44:02 dmz, and other than that, I use the Nokia BT earpiece... 300 something Aug 12 21:44:03 crashanddie i need a better quality, i want it to not fall off, have better pick-up. i have a good headset for my cisco voip phone, good headset=good quality call Aug 12 21:44:43 dmz, from my experience (been on the SIP phone nearly 6 hours, today only), the call quality depends highly on the other end phone Aug 12 21:45:05 dmz, with my mother, there's horrible buzzing and echo, with my gf, the call is fine, really, quite awesome actually Aug 12 21:45:12 dmz, it's a standard 3-channel 3.5mm plug. Aug 12 21:45:15 my cisco 7960 has great quality, when i tried my nokia it sounded grainy Aug 12 21:45:26 generalantilles, thank you that's what i needed Aug 12 21:45:47 Shit Aug 12 21:46:04 rm_you's unlocked package may be causing some weirdness. . . . Aug 12 21:48:19 I like my Polycom IP501 Aug 12 21:49:09 lol... Proof of challenged Cops: http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6086/image001rv5.jpg Aug 12 21:51:40 07 seems to be playing nicely Aug 12 21:51:45 now i need to add my repos back in :< Aug 12 21:52:00 is maemo.org/downloads being funny for anyony else? Aug 12 21:52:09 getting errors from squid Aug 12 21:53:12 amr, the sites split up over two datacenters and was just moved this morning. Aug 12 21:53:19 ahh Aug 12 21:53:23 that'd answer it Aug 12 21:53:25 Just keep reloading until it works. Aug 12 21:53:32 hitting f5 a bunch of times seems to work Aug 12 21:53:33 ah yea Aug 12 21:53:34 Server upgrade are imminent Aug 12 21:53:41 It'll probably be up to speed in a couple weeks. Aug 12 21:53:50 s/upgrade/upgrades/ Aug 12 21:54:08 what codename is 07? bora? Aug 12 21:54:36 Yeah Aug 12 21:54:47 2008/4.0 is Chinook Aug 12 21:54:50 swish Aug 12 21:54:52 2008/4.1 Diablo Aug 12 22:03:49 Hi again Aug 12 22:04:08 autobuilder problem is still not resolved ? Aug 12 22:04:21 khertan, ISP-side, doubtful. Aug 12 22:04:52 GeneralAntilles: does maemo is hosted on a free ISP ? Aug 12 22:05:02 lol Aug 12 22:05:09 Seems like it, doesn't it. ;) Aug 12 22:05:41 so this is really a winmodem driver problem with the 33.6k modem Aug 12 22:06:24 thx for the info GeneralAntilles Aug 12 22:06:31 so ... i ll go sleeping Aug 12 22:06:36 They firewalled off the autobuilder machine or something stupid Aug 12 22:06:37 night Aug 12 22:06:45 good night Aug 12 22:07:14 * GAN800 is really digging Modest for mobile use. Aug 12 22:10:08 GeneralAntilles: really? Modest seems to be really slow Aug 12 22:10:26 althouhg i'm using IMAP, and 1x connection Aug 12 22:10:34 lol. . . . Aug 12 22:12:23 The application list just keeps looking better. Aug 12 22:13:12 i wish openssh would install faster :( Aug 12 22:13:15 ah there we go Aug 12 22:13:25 Keys have to be generated Aug 12 22:13:36 Slow on 252MHz. ;) Aug 12 22:14:11 yeah, heh Aug 12 22:14:18 ok, it says it changed my root password Aug 12 22:14:20 but it didn't? Aug 12 22:14:40 did it give you a prompt? Aug 12 22:14:49 it did Aug 12 22:14:52 i entered a new password Aug 12 22:14:58 but sudo -s says the password is wrong Aug 12 22:15:11 You entered a new password there? Aug 12 22:15:16 yea Aug 12 22:15:16 oh Aug 12 22:15:22 hrm Aug 12 22:15:26 user password wasn't set Aug 12 22:15:39 hm? Aug 12 22:15:41 GAN800, you know what's surprising about 28 weeks/days later ? Aug 12 22:16:16 GAN800, I've seen *loads* of gore flicks, even the worst you can imagine. But 28* are part of the very few that still scare the shit out of me Aug 12 22:16:31 can't wait for 28 months later Aug 12 22:16:40 28 years :/ Aug 12 22:16:45 Hehe Aug 12 22:16:53 28 generations Aug 12 22:16:55 lol Aug 12 22:17:00 can keep it going for a while Aug 12 22:17:08 28 centuries Aug 12 22:17:10 hm, shag Aug 12 22:17:14 I don't remember the last horror flick that really got to me. Aug 12 22:17:18 i wonder if i reinstall becomeroot it will work? Aug 12 22:17:25 amr, do Aug 12 22:17:34 after a while, people won't even remember what the first one was... "yeah, but 28 x later than what ?" Aug 12 22:17:37 ok, i'll give it a whack Aug 12 22:18:38 it appears not Aug 12 22:18:42 still asks for password :( Aug 12 22:18:54 sudo gainroot4 Aug 12 22:18:57 sudo gainroot Aug 12 22:19:09 my bad Aug 12 22:19:12 it did work, i typo'd Aug 12 22:19:38 sudo uses user password Aug 12 22:19:42 There is no user password Aug 12 22:19:47 yeah Aug 12 22:28:19 How many packages are in the SDK? Aug 12 22:29:23 let's see if i disabled psm right Aug 12 22:29:28 Sargun, lots. Aug 12 22:29:34 GeneralAntilles, decimal? Aug 12 22:29:44 I'm wondering if this will finish today. Aug 12 22:29:57 92% [485 libsmbclient-dbg 11222/831kB 1%] 7779B/s 27m54s Aug 12 22:30:01 How long do I have left? Aug 12 22:32:54 a staffer? Aug 12 22:33:22 wut, you think staff isn't allowed in #maemo ? Aug 12 22:33:30 Welcome denny, how may we help you ? Aug 12 22:33:44 Staff is sort of like the secret police Aug 12 22:33:54 they only come out when they want to screw with something Aug 12 22:33:56 I'm okay thanks... haven't broken my 810 lately :) Aug 12 22:34:00 * denny laughs Aug 12 22:34:03 hah :) Aug 12 22:34:03 ;-P Aug 12 22:34:08 see Sargun, told ya Aug 12 22:34:13 Sureeee. Aug 12 22:34:26 maemo.org has been acting really odd lately. Aug 12 22:34:28 I should do the A-GPS upgrade at some point Aug 12 22:34:35 be nice to have GPS that actually worked Aug 12 22:34:41 Sargun, it's in two datacenters at the moment. Aug 12 22:34:45 Be happy it's up at all. ;) Aug 12 22:34:52 denny, well, you'll need to have internet connectivity Aug 12 22:35:10 denny, A-GPS really only is a show-and-tell helper for the GPS to start with Aug 12 22:35:14 * denny nods Aug 12 22:35:23 GeneralAntilles, do you work for Nokia? Aug 12 22:35:26 that's what it needs though Aug 12 22:35:37 Sargun, no, just an enthusiastic community member. Aug 12 22:35:38 same chip as the N82 I have, but that gets initial location from cell masts Aug 12 22:35:40 no, GeneralAntilles is just a student in his pants Aug 12 22:35:42 locks in seconds Aug 12 22:35:56 fuckin make babies Aug 12 22:35:57 and make sure they grow up ok Aug 12 22:35:58 then you have some spawn for when you die Aug 12 22:35:59 what the bitch likes for music or politics is NOT IMPORTANT Aug 12 22:36:02 whereas the N810 can fail to lock for 10, 20 minutes Aug 12 22:36:07 pupnik, wut the hell ? Aug 12 22:36:08 crashanddie, pants? what's the webcam URL? Aug 12 22:36:08 Isn't it going to retry: Aug 12 22:36:13 Aug 12 22:36:13 Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free libx11-6-dbg 2:1.1.1-1osso3 Aug 12 22:36:13 Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 69.26.190.58 80] Aug 12 22:36:13 Get:502 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free libxau6-dbg 1:1.0.3-2osso1 [15.0kB] Aug 12 22:36:15 :-/ Aug 12 22:36:18 or will it quit Aug 12 22:36:20 and fail. Aug 12 22:36:28 Sargun, give it a day or two. Aug 12 22:36:31 Sargun, wget will retry, and resume where possible Aug 12 22:36:40 Is that wget? Aug 12 22:36:43 if you like linux, make babies.. crashanddie Aug 12 22:37:05 babies! Aug 12 22:37:18 pupnik, weed is bad for your health, worse yet, it's bad for y00 karm4 Aug 12 22:37:22 pupnik-- Aug 12 22:37:37 pupnik's plan for populating the world with Linux babies. :D Aug 12 22:37:59 I think we'll be facing extinction soon the Aug 12 22:38:03 s/the/then/ Aug 12 22:38:03 crashanddie meant: I think we'll be facing extinction soon then Aug 12 22:38:35 * crashanddie ponders lighting a fag in his non-smoking flat... Aug 12 22:38:37 everyone in #maemo must have MANY SPAWN Aug 12 22:38:54 we're talkin obscene amounts of children Aug 12 22:39:07 pupnik's child army Aug 12 22:39:08 denny, no but really, can we do something for you ? You're giving me the creeps, just sitting there, saying nothing :P Aug 12 22:39:17 Can I paste 5 lines? Aug 12 22:39:19 denny, use your NIT, and don't login :P Aug 12 22:39:26 crashanddie, he's here frequently. Aug 12 22:39:29 Watching you. Aug 12 22:39:31 yeah I know Aug 12 22:39:31 Sargun: five?!?! ;-) Aug 12 22:39:34 that's the problem Aug 12 22:39:37 Sargun, slexy.org Aug 12 22:39:40 http://pastebin.ca/1168795 Aug 12 22:39:42 fine. Aug 12 22:39:43 He's like Ceiling Freenode Staffer. ;) Aug 12 22:39:45 anyways Aug 12 22:40:04 * GeneralAntilles had 3 staffers in a 10-person clan channel for a little while. Aug 12 22:40:05 how do I got about fixing Aug 12 22:40:19 yeah, and he just needs to look weird at a router, and there's a Freenode Catastaffee Aug 12 22:40:34 servers going down, services bouncing back and forth Aug 12 22:42:26 btw Aug 12 22:42:50 Isn't it really *sad* how the Contact feature in OS2008 doesn't even permit you to save an actual *home address* Aug 12 22:43:18 and I'm guessing, the saddest part, is that nobody actually noticed up till now Aug 12 22:43:22 Aug 12 22:43:43 there IS a bug report for it Aug 12 22:43:48 so you're not the only one Aug 12 22:43:58 ok Aug 12 22:44:10 how do I have to spell it out so people notice the tag ? Aug 12 22:44:14 * Sargun crosses his fingers Aug 12 22:44:25 crashanddie, SARCASM!!!111!!11!!! Aug 12 22:44:38 home address? is that this place where people live in reallife? Aug 12 22:44:50 andre___, Yes, its obsolete. Aug 12 22:45:11 Nokia is moving techforward. Where people's homes are not existent Aug 12 22:45:12 i heard stories from my parents about it Aug 12 22:45:13 or used Aug 12 22:45:18 we will all use teleporters Aug 12 22:45:41 i have an astral body projection for that stuff Aug 12 22:46:41 Sometimes I wonder if you guys just want to get into bash.org, or if you really believe the joke isn't old after 7 lines ? Aug 12 22:47:15 Who voted this guy the humor police? :P Aug 12 22:47:44 what joke? Aug 12 22:47:51 No one voted, you thought this was a democracy ? Aug 12 22:48:00 democracy never worked out. Aug 12 22:48:03 and btw, it's "humour" :P Aug 12 22:48:04 * GeneralAntilles pulls out his op. Aug 12 22:48:36 best parades and shows are still done by regimes, see the olympics opening for example. hence there's a good reason for regimes to exist Aug 12 22:48:46 Woo, parades! Aug 12 22:48:58 andre___, have you ever seen the red army dancers remixed to RunDMC ? Aug 12 22:49:13 The good thing is that with HDTV you don't even need to be a part of one to see them! Aug 12 22:49:15 nope :) Aug 12 22:49:20 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQb8vb4blA Aug 12 22:50:06 * andre___ procastinating Aug 12 22:50:52 lol, looks like they got a little West Side Story going on there for a second. Aug 12 22:51:14 I have an n800, with os2008 (the diablo one) and I want to use maemo mapper with a gps device. Can anybody suggest a particular model or place to look for a bluetooth gps adapter for about 50 bucks? Aug 12 22:51:30 i-Blue 737 Aug 12 22:52:52 will even work in a boeing Aug 12 22:53:01 where's that sold at? Aug 12 22:53:38 boeings ? Wow, you're asking in the wrong channel... Ask your local airport Aug 12 22:54:06 dmsuperman, http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4 Aug 12 22:54:48 Local airport? Aug 12 22:54:59 More like, contoct Boeing directly. Aug 12 22:55:19 yeah, or concoct a hijacking Aug 12 22:55:21 s/contoct/contact/ Aug 12 22:55:22 GeneralAntilles meant: More like, contact Boeing directly. Aug 12 22:55:25 :P Aug 12 22:55:38 * GeneralAntilles really hates this keyboard. Aug 12 22:55:44 * crashanddie IS ON FIYA Aug 12 22:55:50 Mushy, hard to push Apple piece of crap. Aug 12 22:55:57 oh, yeah, those are terrible Aug 12 22:56:04 I took my backup Unicomp board back up north for some reason. Aug 12 22:56:07 I don't really like the space there's between each key Aug 12 22:56:10 I should order another one. . . . Aug 12 22:56:17 It's an old one. Aug 12 22:56:22 Plastic Aug 12 22:56:29 hmm Aug 12 22:56:35 White Aug 12 22:56:41 yeah, grey now Aug 12 22:57:02 http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5936/directinapplexq7.jpg Aug 12 22:57:06 GeneralAntilles, how good is it? does it usually take ages to find itself? does it interact with maemo mapper well? Aug 12 22:57:21 oh btw Aug 12 22:57:25 dmsuperman, about as good as they get for that price. Aug 12 22:57:31 GA Aug 12 22:57:42 CAD Aug 12 22:57:52 anyone blaming the keyboard, when they type "contoct" instead of "contact", really needs to open the excuse book again :D Aug 12 22:58:11 Meh, the whole keyboard throws off my fingers. Aug 12 22:58:11 that's just finger fail Aug 12 22:58:15 GeneralAntilles, would you suggest it or don't bother at that price? Aug 12 22:58:22 dmsuperman, buybuybuy. Aug 12 22:58:32 GeneralAntilles, awesome, thanks :D Aug 12 22:58:36 dmsuperman, i-blue make incredible good hardware Aug 12 22:58:46 My point was more that, "Well, it's no 1000Hz $500 jet fighter GPS, but it'll do." ;) Aug 12 22:58:54 +0 Aug 12 22:59:03 Actually +2x0 Aug 12 22:59:21 just use s/// Aug 12 22:59:32 cuz +2x0 doesn't make a lot of sense Aug 12 22:59:42 Just go fall off a cliff. Aug 12 22:59:55 GPS tells me closest is Dover Aug 12 22:59:56 and do as your name says. :P Aug 12 23:00:33 * GeneralAntilles wants a 100Hz GPS Aug 12 23:00:53 I am wondering tonight, in the sun, on a bus to Dover Aug 12 23:01:13 Could you freeze me in, and defrost me when it's over... Aug 12 23:01:21 How's the internet in the UK? Aug 12 23:01:34 well Aug 12 23:01:41 quite comparable to the one I had in France Aug 12 23:01:46 it even has the same websites and everything Aug 12 23:02:03 That's good. Aug 12 23:02:07 yeah Aug 12 23:02:15 I thought I'd be completely lost, but I got lucky I guess Aug 12 23:02:19 :( Aug 12 23:02:21 finding a country which shares the same internet Aug 12 23:02:24 Dudes, there is a OS update for diablo. Did anyone notice? Aug 12 23:02:26 Too bad you didn't move to China, you get a whole new internet! Aug 12 23:02:42 m-vo, why did it disable maemo Extras for me. >:( Aug 12 23:02:45 GeneralAntilles, I think I would've lost a fair bit of internet, not got a new one :P Aug 12 23:02:52 Did it? Damn. Aug 12 23:02:59 nokia-repositories package Aug 12 23:03:12 * crashanddie lights a fag, I know, I shouldn't Aug 12 23:03:13 yaay Aug 12 23:03:18 maemo-sdk is installing Aug 12 23:03:47 m-vo, can't we just update from the application manager? Aug 12 23:03:50 Anyway, yeah, m-vo, people noticed. ;) Aug 12 23:04:14 Ahh, yes, last minute changes to nokia-repository... Aug 12 23:04:23 OOOoooh, so that's what the big orange icon was... Aug 12 23:04:29 lol Aug 12 23:04:38 GeneralAntilles, cool, I'm on vacation right now, I nearly missed it. Aug 12 23:04:57 * crashanddie doesn't see the point between vacation and noticing an update Aug 12 23:05:04 Ha Aug 12 23:05:06 GeneralAntilles, can't we just update from the application manager? Aug 12 23:05:15 Sargun, yes, we can Aug 12 23:05:26 Sargun, you should be updating from the application manager. Aug 12 23:05:27 * Sargun checks for updates Aug 12 23:05:32 It's the first update via deb packages! It's a milestone! There should be more huzzah. :-) Aug 12 23:05:41 huzzah. Aug 12 23:05:52 Upgrading microb-browser 0.0.8-3 to 0.0.8-4: apt-worker: Not handling unrelated package libacl1. E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libgtk2.0-0 package Aug 12 23:05:55 the whole point of app man updates is the click and forget it provides Aug 12 23:05:55 my package manager doesn't see anything Aug 12 23:06:01 application manager. Aug 12 23:06:07 i broke :( Aug 12 23:06:14 m-vo, I think most people are thinking more along the lines of "Well, we're finally about where my laptop has been for the last 8 years." ;) Aug 12 23:06:27 crashanddie, I work on that stuff and normally I know when things like this happen. Aug 12 23:06:40 m-vo, who you work for ? Aug 12 23:06:47 Nokia. Aug 12 23:07:13 you couldn't get me a job at Farnborough could ya ? Aug 12 23:07:24 repository.maemo.org is messed up Aug 12 23:07:34 Sargun, quite probably. Aug 12 23:08:25 GeneralAntilles, Where are they moving to? (DC wise) Aug 12 23:08:41 Somewhere near AC Aug 12 23:08:42 Sargun, dunno. Aug 12 23:08:45 crashanddie, nope, 'fraid not.. :) Aug 12 23:08:51 Somewhere with faster servers soon enough. Aug 12 23:08:54 I have been told that 2008HE was fairly stable on the n770, but I have just flashed it and I can't even open the web browser without it restarting. What did I do wrong? Can anyone help me debug this? Aug 12 23:08:56 oh well, it was worth the try Aug 12 23:09:13 770, there's no n Aug 12 23:09:30 Guest25897, did you enable swap? Aug 12 23:09:52 virtual memory was already enabled and set for 64mbs Aug 12 23:10:20 crashanddie :) Aug 12 23:11:13 GeneralAntilles: was there something else I needed to do? Aug 12 23:11:21 No Aug 12 23:11:32 Just weird otherwise. Aug 12 23:12:01 Guest25897, could try to launch the browser from the command line, and redirect the output to a file, so you can see if there are any error messages ? Aug 12 23:12:03 Crap, I can't remember the update repo username now. <_< Aug 12 23:12:06 * GeneralAntilles digs up the patch. Aug 12 23:12:13 could it have something to do with the card being too slow? I did not use the fanoush kernel Aug 12 23:12:33 crashanddie: sure Aug 12 23:13:02 goodnight all Aug 12 23:14:49 Hmm this time it worked... maybe virtual mem was not enabled and going to memory it automatically enabled it? Doesn't make sense... Aug 12 23:16:11 well that's odd Aug 12 23:16:22 my menus on the left Aug 12 23:16:28 sometimes are big icons, some are small Aug 12 23:16:32 sometimes* Aug 12 23:17:49 it grows to big icons when it detects what it believes is a inger press rather than a stylus Aug 12 23:18:13 amr: It's actually a nice feature once you figure out what the heck it is doing Aug 12 23:18:24 oh, that's kinda awesome Aug 12 23:19:07 yea :) Aug 12 23:21:36 ok so I heard the sound out of the speaker was unhearable....it doesn't seem that bad to me Aug 12 23:22:03 as a matter of fact I just turned the volume up and it seems quite loud Aug 12 23:25:35 earlier today, some guy in my street wanted to place a call to his gf in France Aug 12 23:25:45 and considering I have free SIP to France, I handed over my NIT Aug 12 23:25:58 Guest25897 yeah i had that problem, sound was really poor Aug 12 23:26:05 he dialed the number, and put the NIT to his face Aug 12 23:26:07 07 seems to be fine though Aug 12 23:26:10 Haha Aug 12 23:26:12 sound was maxed out Aug 12 23:26:23 Ouch Aug 12 23:26:28 his ear started bleeding when his gf said "HELLO ???" Aug 12 23:26:31 I cant figure out why it is fine, I thought it was a universal problem with 2008he on 770 Aug 12 23:26:46 crashanddie, it's not a phone! :-) Aug 12 23:27:01 yeah, *I* know :D Aug 12 23:27:36 I am really liking the feel of 2008 Aug 12 23:27:44 what program does everyone here use for their twitter updates? Aug 12 23:28:08 I wonder when the DC move will be complete. Aug 12 23:28:13 we don't twitter Aug 12 23:28:22 :( Aug 12 23:28:26 twitter is for people who are not cool enough to own an NIT Aug 12 23:28:28 amr, try Mauku? Aug 12 23:28:30 crashanddie, doesn't Nokia have a twitter clone? Aug 12 23:28:31 NIT? Aug 12 23:28:31 NIT? Aug 12 23:28:33 oh Aug 12 23:28:34 ahaha Aug 12 23:28:36 twitter bad Aug 12 23:28:36 nokia internet tablet Aug 12 23:28:36 hah Aug 12 23:28:37 They just added twitter support. Aug 12 23:28:40 Nokia internet tablet Aug 12 23:28:42 ~NIT Aug 12 23:28:44 oh sweet, cheers GeneralAntilles Aug 12 23:28:47 Nokia should do their own server. Aug 12 23:28:51 err, service. Aug 12 23:28:54 they are better than that Aug 12 23:29:01 ~NIT is Nokia Internet Tablet Aug 12 23:29:02 GeneralAntilles: okay Aug 12 23:30:56 http://uk.weather.yahoo.com/UKXX/UKXX0085/index_c.html Aug 12 23:31:06 the weather is unknown... nice prediction :P Aug 12 23:31:20 Urbanista diaries FTW Aug 12 23:31:52 so flipping the screen made everything unusable, is that usual? Aug 12 23:32:19 hm? Aug 12 23:32:55 You guys, Urbanista diaries is down Aug 12 23:32:59 in 2008 there is an option to change screen orientation, doing so chops things up and leaves things unusable Aug 12 23:33:10 oh Aug 12 23:33:11 eep Aug 12 23:33:31 Guest25897, did you install Advanced Backlight? Aug 12 23:33:37 yea.. Aug 12 23:33:47 Rotation detection is broken on the 770 for some reason Aug 12 23:33:54 I still need to poke rm_you about that. . . Aug 12 23:33:58 ok I will be sure to uninstall it them Aug 12 23:34:09 *then Aug 12 23:34:09 You'd need a patched xserver and kernel to rotate Aug 12 23:34:11 as in a gyro GeneralAntilles? Aug 12 23:34:13 Nah, you can use it Aug 12 23:34:20 Just don't touch the rotation controls. Aug 12 23:34:31 A reboot will fix it. Aug 12 23:34:35 Sorry for the mix up. :( Aug 12 23:34:49 well I don't want to be showing it off to someone and them do that to it... Aug 12 23:34:58 Fair enough Aug 12 23:35:05 rm_you is away for a little while Aug 12 23:35:06 but SOUND WORKS! Aug 12 23:35:11 I'm make him fix it when he gets back. Aug 12 23:35:41 whoever fixed that has made me quite happy Aug 12 23:36:57 hm Aug 12 23:37:03 looks like i need skype-installer for mauku Aug 12 23:37:24 Erm Aug 12 23:37:29 Did you remove it? Aug 12 23:37:33 i haven't touched it Aug 12 23:37:36 Huh Aug 12 23:37:39 Weird Aug 12 23:37:50 I actually don't know if they've compiled a version for OS2007. Aug 12 23:37:59 if i go into installed programs i don't see it though Aug 12 23:38:01 h Aug 12 23:38:04 ah* Aug 12 23:38:10 so mauku might not work? Aug 12 23:38:22 screw it, i'll use the twitter site Aug 12 23:38:45 Just order that N800. ;) Aug 12 23:38:56 the only thing with that is it takes a solid minute to fire up the borwser and load twitters site Aug 12 23:39:11 can't type today... Aug 12 23:39:52 heh, looks like i'll have to! Aug 12 23:40:11 GeneralAntilles, advanced backlight enables support for rotation ? Aug 12 23:40:19 hmm, I wonder if tehre are any command-line twitter clients Aug 12 23:41:00 Guest25897: there are Aug 12 23:41:05 mitter looks to be one Aug 12 23:41:06 twyt is a good one Aug 12 23:41:39 mauku is indeed working now Aug 12 23:41:45 so one of those should be fairly easily ported if they haven't been already. I still don't have to rely on going to the site Aug 12 23:41:51 apparently the install error means nothing Aug 12 23:42:06 heh, well forget command line then Aug 12 23:45:04 crashanddie, no. Aug 12 23:45:19 has maemo-mapper been moved to a main repo? Aug 12 23:45:19 It just provides controls for it if you have rotation support installed. Aug 12 23:46:03 Guest25897, it's in most of the Extras repos. Aug 12 23:46:05 GeneralAntilles, rotation should really be made easy Aug 12 23:46:13 Not Diablo Extras, yet, unfortunately. Aug 12 23:46:21 crashanddie, qwerty12 and jott are working on it. Aug 12 23:46:30 crashanddie: rotation is not overly simple Aug 12 23:46:45 It's actually pretty easy to do as a deb install with Diablo. Aug 12 23:46:46 GeneralAntilles, like for instance, now that there's this update to Diablo, I don't know if I should use the files provided in the ITT wiki Aug 12 23:47:04 Just need a way to get the correct osso-software-version-rx*3-unlocked on the device. Aug 12 23:49:03 yeah, I'm going to wait for qwertypants to show up and tell me what to do Aug 12 23:49:16 cuz I've reflashed way too often these days :P Aug 12 23:50:31 Eh, install his Diablo packages. Aug 12 23:51:16 A rotation support metapackage with the kernel in Extras-devel would be both cool and fairly straightforward. Aug 12 23:53:57 GeneralAntilles, you telling me if I install the diablo flasher, libxrandr, and xomap, I'll be fine? Aug 12 23:54:25 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 Aug 12 23:54:35 Just install those 4 packages in that order. Aug 12 23:54:49 Then flash-and-reboot to flash the kernel Aug 12 23:54:52 You'll be good as gold Aug 12 23:55:12 Alright, I've gotten Maemo. Aug 12 23:55:19 Now to get Moko. Aug 12 23:58:29 Anybody with an active Facebook account want to try to reproduce this? Aug 13 00:00:29 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3567 Aug 13 00:03:42 sure installing some stuff right now, give me a minute Aug 13 00:04:52 Guest25897, you'd need 4.2008.30-2 Aug 13 00:05:06 But thanks for offering. :) Aug 13 00:05:32 heh woops I just saw 2008 and kept goin... Aug 13 00:06:48 hmm do you know of any problems with maemo-mapper on 2008he? It can't find my gps Aug 13 00:07:28 None that I know of. Aug 13 00:07:38 It worked fine here last time I checked. Aug 13 00:08:03 it sat spinning for a good 10 minutes looking for my bluetooth gps Aug 13 00:08:20 Is the MAC in there and such? Aug 13 00:08:26 nope Aug 13 00:08:31 never showed up Aug 13 00:08:48 Tap Scan...? Aug 13 00:08:54 LOL Aug 13 00:09:08 and Bluetooth is turned on, right? Aug 13 00:09:12 yea I did ... thats where it was spinning Aug 13 00:09:32 GeneralAntilles: Just restarted, I am going to kick myself if it wasn't... Aug 13 00:09:43 cheers GeneralAntilles :) Rotation is nice :) Aug 13 00:09:54 Especially with adv-backlight. ;) Aug 13 00:10:22 I thought it'd be more sluggish Aug 13 00:10:30 Nah, hardware rotation Aug 13 00:10:39 No performance hit Aug 13 00:10:44 oooh Aug 13 00:10:56 that wouldn't work on the 770 right? Aug 13 00:11:11 It's so nice, in fact, that you should go here and expound on its virtues. :P http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ Aug 13 00:11:20 Guest25897, 770 has support, too Aug 13 00:11:30 But the last package set I saw was for OS2005 Aug 13 00:11:31 panning a webpage in 90 degree view does show a few artefacts, though Aug 13 00:11:40 heh, so same instructions as that link you posted a while back? Aug 13 00:11:46 I don't know if anybody has patched and packaged anything more recent for the 770. Aug 13 00:12:20 * GeneralAntilles still can't get over more than 23,000 downloads. Aug 13 00:12:22 sometimes I feel so sorry for 770 users Aug 13 00:12:40 Yeah, I sometimes feel sorry for 386 users too. :P Aug 13 00:12:45 it's like, they're almost able to do everything n8x0 users Aug 13 00:12:51 GeneralAntilles: don't, I paid $80 for mine a year ago, it was well worth it Aug 13 00:12:54 but nobody bothered to make it easy Aug 13 00:13:08 People develop for what they have Aug 13 00:13:22 Most developers either don't have a 770 or don't have time to focus on legacy support. Aug 13 00:13:24 yeah I know, I'm not making a case for them Aug 13 00:13:33 it's just, a bit sad, sometimes Aug 13 00:13:40 Cruel Aug 13 00:13:46 I plan on doing a good bit of development work to have my 770 interface via bluetooth with a robotics project I am working on this year Aug 13 00:13:47 It's actually a big conspiracy Aug 13 00:13:55 We're all laughing quietly at them behind our hands. ;) Aug 13 00:14:06 it's like, everywhere, we've hung posters with "technically, it could be done. But frankly, you should get yourself something up to date, you cheap bastard" Aug 13 00:14:16 Hahaha Aug 13 00:14:20 That's exactly it. Aug 13 00:14:33 btw I am an idiot, bluetooth was off Aug 13 00:14:49 Maemo Mapper isn't super-smart about stuff like that Aug 13 00:14:54 you idiot Aug 13 00:15:02 It'll happily chug along and never tell you. ;) Aug 13 00:15:09 you're called trev0r, you're not allowed to insult people Aug 13 00:15:49 what about my name? Aug 13 00:16:08 crashanddie, bring out the lame meter! Aug 13 00:16:23 ~nickometer trev0r Aug 13 00:16:24 'trev0r' is 97.280% lame, crashanddie Aug 13 00:16:28 OUCH Aug 13 00:16:50 nice Aug 13 00:18:00 who do you tell mapper to download maps for say an entire state? Aug 13 00:18:11 how Aug 13 00:18:29 Frame the state in your view Aug 13 00:18:50 Tap the menu, tap maps, tap manage maps... Aug 13 00:19:03 Tap Area, select your zoom levels. Aug 13 00:19:08 Then read the help. Aug 13 00:19:09 GeneralAntilles, remember how you said the nickometer sucked, because you were hoping it checked the logs or something ? Aug 13 00:19:17 Since it covers this stuff. Aug 13 00:19:24 crashanddie, yes. Aug 13 00:19:36 GeneralAntilles, I was just thinking Aug 13 00:19:42 GeneralAntilles, I'm fucking lucky it doesn't that :D Aug 13 00:19:48 Ehehe Aug 13 00:20:14 ~nickometer nickometer Aug 13 00:20:16 'nickometer' is 0.000% lame, nomis Aug 13 00:20:25 riiight! :) Aug 13 00:20:41 ~nickometer n1cK0M3t3r Aug 13 00:20:42 'n1cK0M3t3r' is 99.510% lame, crashanddie Aug 13 00:21:06 ~nickometer nomis Aug 13 00:21:08 'nomis' is 0.000% lame, nomis Aug 13 00:21:11 *phew* Aug 13 00:23:03 GeneralAntilles, so, you're a student right ? Aug 13 00:23:08 How many years left ? Aug 13 00:23:14 2-3 Aug 13 00:23:24 you're on summer break, right ? Aug 13 00:23:33 Couple weeks left Aug 13 00:23:59 and you're not working your ass off at mcdonalds ? Aug 13 00:24:25 what do you live on ? Pasta and donations ? Aug 13 00:24:42 I was doing some code compliance stuff at the old bookstore I work/worked for. Aug 13 00:24:55 But I just got back from vacation and haven't yet gone back. Aug 13 00:25:13 Spent most of the summer with summer classes. Aug 13 00:25:27 awesome summer '-_- Aug 13 00:25:49 Hehe Aug 13 00:26:23 I'm glad I'm done studying Aug 13 00:26:36 I'd be gladder if I had a job, honestly Aug 13 00:26:43 but still, it feels good when it's over Aug 13 00:26:48 Hehe Aug 13 00:26:54 Write some cool Maemo apps Aug 13 00:27:07 and be sure to make them "killer". ;) Aug 13 00:27:09 Yeah yeah yeah Aug 13 00:27:15 I'm doing some stuff Aug 13 00:27:18 Imagine if "killer apps" were actually killer? Aug 13 00:27:21 :shudder: Aug 13 00:27:29 By the way, how'd the site turn out? Aug 13 00:27:43 I got fucked Aug 13 00:28:09 I was supposed to install everything and go live a few days before moving to London Aug 13 00:28:34 But it being french bureaucracy Aug 13 00:28:59 what's the best way to mount my tablet's file system over the network? do you guys use SSHFS? Aug 13 00:29:07 sshfs is a good answer Aug 13 00:29:12 or just use straight sftp Aug 13 00:29:44 christefano, faster is directly via usb of course, but no1 really bothers Aug 13 00:29:44 is there a SMB server for the tablet? Aug 13 00:29:59 I'm sure there is Aug 13 00:29:59 Well, let's just say they had stuff to do, which denied me from coming anywhere near the servers, so the app is ready, but not installed Aug 13 00:30:07 But it's just more unnecessary overhead. Aug 13 00:30:14 crashanddie, awesome. Aug 13 00:30:20 yeah... Aug 13 00:30:28 And now I'm in London, nowhere near the servers Aug 13 00:30:33 yeah, unless someone can recommend an SMB server or something I think I'll stick to SSHFS Aug 13 00:30:53 which probably means I'll tell them to shove it, or go down in september to install and get paid Aug 13 00:30:57 crashanddie, you should help with the maemo.org reorg. ;) Aug 13 00:31:18 GeneralAntilles, there's such a lot I should do :P Aug 13 00:31:32 Yeah, I can keep on giving you more. :D Aug 13 00:31:41 s/, /and / Aug 13 00:31:41 GeneralAntilles meant: Yeahand I can keep on giving you more. :D Aug 13 00:31:51 ops Aug 13 00:32:06 My whiteboard is already filled to the brim Aug 13 00:32:23 * lcuk has an infinte blackboard Aug 13 00:32:32 HE'S ALIVE Aug 13 00:32:41 ish Aug 13 00:32:42 lcuk, where's my web content? :( Aug 13 00:32:48 ive been workin on somethin Aug 13 00:32:51 GeneralAntilles, IYA Aug 13 00:32:55 holy poo! Aug 13 00:33:02 winnie ? Aug 13 00:33:26 s/poo/pooh Aug 13 00:33:30 damn Aug 13 00:33:34 why didnt it work? Aug 13 00:33:57 no trailing / Aug 13 00:34:03 You didn't close it. Aug 13 00:34:07 gen, ive been so carried away with things recently Aug 13 00:34:12 ahhh Aug 13 00:34:15 this is a working test Aug 13 00:34:20 s/working// Aug 13 00:34:21 crashanddie meant: this is a test Aug 13 00:34:49 bee or not to bee, that is the question Aug 13 00:34:52 lcuk, yeah yeah yeah. :P Aug 13 00:34:53 s/bee/be/g Aug 13 00:34:54 crashanddie meant: be or not to be, that is the question Aug 13 00:35:32 question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; Aug 13 00:35:35 some test text to test infobot Aug 13 00:35:53 s/test/taest/ Aug 13 00:35:53 nomis meant: some taest text to test infobot Aug 13 00:35:55 infobot, you suck. Aug 13 00:35:56 and very well I might add Aug 13 00:36:03 hahaha :D Aug 13 00:36:10 ~$50 Aug 13 00:36:10 * infobot takes the cash and sucks generalantilles off Aug 13 00:36:17 Nasty bot. Aug 13 00:36:21 ok, it respects replacement options :) Aug 13 00:36:39 ~GA Aug 13 00:36:41 extra, extra, read all about it, ga is "go ahead" Aug 13 00:37:22 * lcuk will be ready soon enough Aug 13 00:37:24 ~cookie Aug 13 00:37:26 Hey crashanddie, zip 4243 is Lewiston Androscoggin ME Aug 13 00:37:36 wtf? Aug 13 00:37:40 lcuk, for the end times? Aug 13 00:38:08 lcuk, I've been doing some funky shit with liqbase Aug 13 00:38:22 He's been making it display dirt words. Aug 13 00:38:27 ~lcuk Aug 13 00:38:29 dirt words ? Oh yeah Aug 13 00:38:31 you arent the only one :) ive put in a proper layout model now Aug 13 00:38:36 s/dirt/dirty/ Aug 13 00:38:36 GeneralAntilles meant: He's been making it display dirty words. Aug 13 00:38:43 * GeneralAntilles really hates this damn keyboard. Aug 13 00:38:52 lcuk, like... Plugins? :-° Aug 13 00:39:23 i would hope so if required Aug 13 00:39:39 More like a porn browser Aug 13 00:39:50 heh Aug 13 00:40:06 i have stepped back from the default main loop and im seeing how much i can do without a main cycle and what else i need Aug 13 00:40:13 bloody hell 2008 is restarting on me a lot... Aug 13 00:40:16 but i think i need a style gallery Aug 13 00:40:28 Guest25897, why did you ~me Aug 13 00:40:42 lcuk, and I've also been thinkering about transition effects Aug 13 00:40:56 excellent Aug 13 00:41:20 anyway, nothing showable at the moment Aug 13 00:41:22 but we'll see Aug 13 00:41:47 and, I'm pretty positive my camera is dead Aug 13 00:41:51 excellent :) Aug 13 00:42:03 thank you for cheering the death of my webcam Aug 13 00:42:04 (!) image saving Aug 13 00:42:20 your actual 810 camera or is this 800 Aug 13 00:42:25 Fuck crashanddie's camera. YEAH! Aug 13 00:42:37 lcuk, I only have a n810 Aug 13 00:42:52 the n800 was at school Aug 13 00:43:03 thats a bummer, did you try a reflash and no updates and only install camera Aug 13 00:43:08 aye aye aye Aug 13 00:43:14 chinook? Aug 13 00:43:18 aye aye aye Aug 13 00:43:28 but it's worse than that, I don't even get a /dev/video0 anymore Aug 13 00:43:32 Warranty! Aug 13 00:43:52 GeneralAntilles, bought it on ebay from the states Aug 13 00:44:15 crashanddie, what does dmesg say when you load camera Aug 13 00:44:25 something activated, something deactivated Aug 13 00:44:28 hang on Aug 13 00:44:33 "u suk crashanddie" Aug 13 00:44:38 heh Aug 13 00:44:50 "bad touch! bad touch!" Aug 13 00:45:02 * lcuk nearly woke the missus up on the first comment Aug 13 00:45:24 [ 2691.570312] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Aug 13 00:45:24 [ 2695.500000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled Aug 13 00:45:27 waargh! Aug 13 00:45:47 Hey, shapr. :) Aug 13 00:46:03 y0 GeneralAntilles, how's code? Aug 13 00:46:09 I've been doing C# for months :-( Aug 13 00:46:14 crashanddie, you get those anyway im sure thats not the camera is it? (i barely use my camera and i get them a lot) Aug 13 00:46:22 hmm Aug 13 00:46:23 Hehe, I've been doing community stuff Aug 13 00:46:25 Not much code. Aug 13 00:46:27 dunno then, true, I get those a lot Aug 13 00:46:27 shapr, i feel sorry for you Aug 13 00:46:32 me too Aug 13 00:46:44 No more Haskell? Aug 13 00:46:51 Nah, that job is over. Aug 13 00:46:53 not to worry, i do vb classic in the daytime, but i wont move to .shit Aug 13 00:47:27 lcuk, I don't get anything notable in dmesg then Aug 13 00:48:04 try rebooting it and have a closer look at the log. you might find somethin Aug 13 00:48:26 lcuk, I've spent hours on it, really Aug 13 00:48:45 Hit it with a stick. Aug 13 00:48:59 yeah, I could try and let it fall on the ground Aug 13 00:49:02 well, thats whats up then isn't it. you've worm your doofer down Aug 13 00:49:10 Engadget did post my update announcement. :( Aug 13 00:49:24 there's something wrong there Aug 13 00:49:32 either the smiley, or a lack of negation Aug 13 00:49:42 stupid goddamn keyboard Aug 13 00:49:47 s/did/didn't/ Aug 13 00:49:48 there you go Aug 13 00:50:09 We need a maemo.org announcement and somebody else needs to tip them off. ;) Aug 13 00:52:43 lcuk, do you have a /dev/video0 ? Aug 13 00:52:49 http://dot.kde.org/1218580876/ Aug 13 00:53:35 no Aug 13 00:54:01 hang on Aug 13 00:54:13 that's just sad, GA Aug 13 00:55:20 :D freebies Aug 13 00:55:59 i do have a video0, i thought it was a folder at first Aug 13 00:56:13 then when i catted it it gave invalid arg Aug 13 00:56:38 ls /dev/vid* Aug 13 00:56:38 ls: /dev/vid*: No such file or directory Aug 13 00:57:13 which means it's not detected during boot/startup, thus either heavily damaged, or disconnected Aug 13 00:57:25 thats a bit cack Aug 13 00:57:36 Why do people think anybody cares what device they've decided to use? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=213102#post213102 Aug 13 00:57:50 either way, I need to get the special screwdrivers in order to access that part of the unit Aug 13 01:00:03 GeneralAntilles, because he feels guilty, disappointed, and beaten Aug 13 01:00:15 GeneralAntilles, he needs to feel superior, and lacks the courage to face the truth Aug 13 01:00:52 GeneralAntilles: On the good side, my new job lets me live two miles from MIT. Aug 13 01:01:06 MIT has a unicycling and juggling club :-) Aug 13 01:01:27 anyway Aug 13 01:01:29 I'm out of here Aug 13 01:01:55 gnite crashanddie Aug 13 01:02:02 lcuk, I might just need to go to manchester for a coupla days, I'll have to crash at your place, k ? Aug 13 01:02:02 night Aug 13 01:02:49 no Aug 13 01:03:19 :'( Aug 13 01:03:23 lol Aug 13 01:03:59 silly east coast rats Aug 13 01:04:00 crashanddie got shut down. Aug 13 01:04:10 * crashanddie throws lcuk into a pool of 4chan Aug 13 01:04:27 yeah... Aug 13 01:04:41 gnite Aug 13 01:05:02 lcuk@NIT:~$ /etc/init.d/crashanddie stop Aug 13 01:05:27 oh wow, I think he actually didn't appreciate that Aug 13 01:06:07 (and for the record, I'm not planning to go anywhere near Manchester :-°) Aug 13 01:06:14 He's a Windows user. Aug 13 01:06:28 As he's dropping a nuke there. Aug 13 01:07:11 GAN800, listen, our ATF file on you is big enough, so if you don't want it posted on youtube, I'd suggest you stop divulging our classified information all the time Aug 13 01:07:34 Woo, internet money time! Aug 13 01:07:37 we'll drop our bombs wherever we please, thank you very much Aug 13 01:07:50 I'n gonna be the most popular thing on youtube. Aug 13 01:08:10 Yeah, you'll even end up in South Park Aug 13 01:08:57 anyway, peace Aug 13 01:09:08 Take care Aug 13 01:42:57 just flashed the fanoush kernel and it seems to have gotten worse Aug 13 02:21:46 Ok so I am getting a bunch of reboots just doing everyday stuff and it seems to coincide with flashing the fanoush kernel on my 770. Also it seems that this does not happen with my mmc card out. I am running 2008HE. Any ideas what is going on? I used the same exact card that fanoush did all the testing with **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 13 02:59:57 2008