**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 18 02:59:57 2008 Aug 18 03:05:09 OK - next question. Should i expect that Canola2 actually finds the MP3 files on my SD cards? Aug 18 03:05:51 Forget that last remark Aug 18 03:06:13 I thought that the eye meant that it was being searched, but it has to be a checked eye. Rather confusing. Aug 18 03:08:04 Does lightmediascanner support ogg in Diablo yet? Aug 18 03:22:09 * blahdeblah-lap is happy - smooth upgrade, and last.fm support in Canola2! Aug 18 04:12:47 blahdeblah-lap, did you install the SSU update? Aug 18 04:43:40 GeneralAntilles: Is that the one that is applied online after the upgrade? Aug 18 04:43:47 If so, yes - it went smoothly as well. Aug 18 04:48:43 Good to hear Aug 18 05:14:05 hi guys, i was thinking of getting an eeepc to take notes and do a bit of programming (low cpu+storage demand), but i'm wondering if an old n800 would do the job. Aug 18 05:14:39 The question is, how important is pocketability? Aug 18 05:14:40 all i need is 80 columns wide, a compiler, flex/bison and associated tools Aug 18 05:15:07 GeneralAntilles: not important Aug 18 05:15:22 Then I would probably get the EeePC Aug 18 05:15:29 That's basically the decision point Aug 18 05:15:38 For me, it's useless if it isn't thoroughly pocketable. Aug 18 05:16:33 GeneralAntilles: i'd also like it to be cheaper so it's easier to make a decision (i'm terrible with decisions) Aug 18 05:17:24 GeneralAntilles: have you done any programming on it? Aug 18 05:17:37 The N800? Aug 18 05:17:42 Only played around alittle Aug 18 05:17:51 Lots of people do their coding and compiling on it, though. Aug 18 05:17:55 Talk to khertan or lcuk Aug 18 05:17:58 really? Aug 18 05:18:30 that's good to know -- maybe i've found my portable programming device! Aug 18 05:19:31 compiling on the device isn't perfectly straightforward if you use autotools or lots of libraries Aug 18 05:19:45 lcuk, khertan: i believe you guys use the n8xx to program on directly -- how do you like it? Aug 18 05:20:09 johnx: no, just need a compiler, bison and that's about it. (oh and libc) Aug 18 05:20:39 this might be fine for you then. do you plan to use an external keyboard or the onscreen one? Aug 18 05:21:36 johnx: what's the onscreen one like? i type mostly symbols -- does n800 do handwriting recognition? Aug 18 05:21:59 it does handwriting recognition but it doesn't work well enough to be worth using Aug 18 05:22:10 let me find some screenshots of the onscreen keyboard Aug 18 05:22:48 for coding, get an external keyboard Aug 18 05:22:53 johnx: ping :P Aug 18 05:22:55 actually, just ask images.google.com: n800 onscreen keyboard Aug 18 05:22:57 rm_you, pong Aug 18 05:23:28 jack, there are two keyboards, a small "stylus keyboard" and a fullscreen "thumb keyboard" Aug 18 05:24:19 thumb keyboard is very usable for normal text input (in small doses) but not for coding really <_< Aug 18 05:24:31 you would need a bluetooth keyboard if you got an n800 Aug 18 05:24:37 I can't imagine coding on either of the on-screen keyboards -- thumbboard is barely adequate for shell work Aug 18 05:24:43 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html Aug 18 05:24:58 (if anyone has a good, small bluetooth keyboard to recommend, I'm all ears) Aug 18 05:25:06 iGo Stowaway Aug 18 05:25:15 Or the Apple board Aug 18 05:26:09 the iGo has a lag between keypress and char showing up ... AND the keys are in non-standard places that drive you nuts AND the number keys need modifiers to work Aug 18 05:26:16 not recommended by me at least Aug 18 05:26:27 apple sounds like the go. Folding keyboards are horrid in my experience :) Aug 18 05:26:31 moontiger, the lag is unrelated to the keyboard model. Aug 18 05:26:45 It's an OS issue. Aug 18 05:26:46 GA... really??? that sucks Aug 18 05:26:48 there are two igo keyboards, right? one with 4 rows and one with 5? Aug 18 05:27:01 Sierra is the 4-row Aug 18 05:27:12 i have a mini usb keyboard but i have tohack the plug to be a micro usb Aug 18 05:27:29 khertan does a lot of python direct on the device and seems to like it Aug 18 05:27:36 the lag happens with usb keyboards too, unless you apply a couple little tweaks Aug 18 05:27:37 jolouis sells OTG adaptors. Aug 18 05:27:40 personally its too cramped for me to do that Aug 18 05:27:53 jolouis? Aug 18 05:28:04 johnx: what tweaks? Aug 18 05:28:17 moontiger, turn off type-ahead prediction Aug 18 05:28:23 ahhhhhhh yes Aug 18 05:28:41 i have that off already Aug 18 05:28:57 if it's still too slow, switch to the "performance" governor for the CPU Aug 18 05:29:07 whats that? Aug 18 05:29:20 normally the cpu switches between slow and fast to save power Aug 18 05:29:23 this locks it at fast Aug 18 05:29:33 hmmmmmmmmm..... how do i do that? Aug 18 05:30:05 GA... how do i find jolouis? Aug 18 05:30:47 moontiger, echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Aug 18 05:30:55 and echo ondemand > /... to turn it off Aug 18 05:31:12 heh nice ... thnx :) Aug 18 05:31:31 s/turn it off/switch back/ Aug 18 05:34:22 * Stskeeps pokes the coffee machine Aug 18 05:39:13 johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/bootmenu.d-and-linuxrc.patch.txt , - funky little patch for bootmenu that gets boot menu items from /etc/bootmenu.d on internal rootfs, and allows for a secondary linuxrc on the partition to be booted, that takes over the boot process totally, instead of going through initfs's crazinesses Aug 18 05:39:39 !! Aug 18 05:39:45 pretty neat Aug 18 05:40:42 did someone get sound working nicely in my absence? or should I work on it? Aug 18 05:41:02 no clue, think people are still stumped by it Aug 18 05:41:11 i finished my exams so i'm back in the loop :P Aug 18 05:41:29 http://rafb.net/p/0SMHzT81.html <- example bootmenu item Aug 18 05:41:54 that makes about ten times more sense than the other way of doing things :) Aug 18 05:42:34 well it also allows for clone to SD installers to add boot menu items easily and such Aug 18 05:44:44 it does add one or two seconds to boot process but compared to the benefit this gives, it's not -that- bad :P Aug 18 05:46:38 moontiger, http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1781 Aug 18 05:47:23 Stskeeps, you ever get ahold of fanoush? Aug 18 05:47:26 holy f***ing crap GA ... you're my hero!!! :) Aug 18 05:47:30 thnx :) Aug 18 05:47:30 You should request to join the garage project. Aug 18 05:47:47 * GeneralAntilles knows things and is happy to share the knowledge. :) Aug 18 05:48:09 GeneralAntilles: not yet, but i'll prolly send him a patch for this Aug 18 05:48:10 Stskeeps, drop a join request over here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bootmenu/ Aug 18 05:48:15 moontiger, I've got three, they work great. Aug 18 05:48:38 im ordering a few as we speak :) Aug 18 05:48:47 * GeneralAntilles still can't decide whether he wants to order one of those Samsung ToC LCDs. Aug 18 05:48:48 heres one thats cheaper http://www.anitec.ca/product/10848/generic_usb_type_a_female_to_usb_mini_5_pin_male_adapter/ Aug 18 05:48:59 tank-man, that's not OTG, though. Aug 18 05:49:21 Besides, I like supporting people who build peripherals just for the tablets. ;) Aug 18 05:50:12 GeneralAntilles: i am just mostly interested in getting linuxrc support into bootmenu and maybe a "standard" bootmenu.conf that does bootmenu.d, but beyond that i'm not that interested, since it fullfills my needs for Deblet :P Aug 18 05:50:31 (the linuxrc also allows for booting stuff like ubuntu and others much easier) Aug 18 05:52:18 * Stskeeps wonders what fanoush's e-mail is cos he can't seem to find it.. Aug 18 05:54:45 He's Frantisek on the lists Aug 18 05:55:40 thnx tank but i already ordered the others (3) ... thnx again GA ... ive been looking for that for ages Aug 18 05:55:48 how do i join garage btw? Aug 18 05:56:09 go to garage.maemo.org and sign up? Aug 18 05:56:30 oh heh cool :) *blushes* Aug 18 05:57:13 ok wow i already did that and forgot :) Aug 18 05:57:25 :D Aug 18 05:57:54 * moontiger looks for the brain... Aug 18 06:00:59 fwiw, i'm investigating mxr.maemo.org now Aug 18 06:01:01 sorry Aug 18 06:01:16 we earned our host 6months of a credit because of dreamhost downtime Aug 18 06:12:32 does anybody know if using gconf in python apps is ok to do? Aug 18 06:26:44 or possible? Aug 18 06:28:32 moontiger: it is possible Aug 18 06:28:49 any clue how to do it? Aug 18 06:32:53 * timely kicks andre____'s irc client Aug 18 06:33:17 andre____: i hope you've exported all the backup bugs to upstream Aug 18 06:33:29 because i plan to bother whomever owns backup when i get to work.. Aug 18 06:34:30 timely, did backup mess up on you? Aug 18 06:34:43 someone made me read some of its code Aug 18 06:35:15 moontiger: http://therning.org/magnus/archives/57 Aug 18 06:35:47 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-3591-0.1.deb was written to kill backup Aug 18 06:35:52 sadly, i think the host is down Aug 18 06:36:01 so i'll have to wait for dreamhost before i can link to it Aug 18 06:39:33 im on dreamhost and they seem to be fine right now? Aug 18 06:39:59 melmoth... thnx ... i didnt know if gnome.gconf was available on the platforms Aug 18 06:40:06 seems it is so all is cool Aug 18 06:40:26 moontiger: sanjay rebooted ~4 hrs ago and hasn't mounted my homedir Aug 18 06:40:58 sheesh i see a lot of probs on dh but i never have any ... maybe just lucky :| Aug 18 06:40:58 my user on an account resulted in a 6month credit for the account owner Aug 18 06:41:07 * timely is just *unlucky* Aug 18 06:41:18 do you need something hosted somewhere? Aug 18 06:41:33 yeah, sadly i don't have the file :) Aug 18 06:41:39 :( Aug 18 06:41:41 i'd host it in bugs.maemo.org if i did :) Aug 18 06:41:49 lbt might have a copy i suppose :) Aug 18 06:42:05 * timely wonders if google crawled it Aug 18 06:42:51 fwiw, the claws people weren't too bad Aug 18 06:43:04 they claim to have fixed their minor portion of the backup bug Aug 18 06:44:11 hey, stupid question Aug 18 06:44:18 is nitro available for end users? Aug 18 06:44:31 No Aug 18 06:45:02 There's likely a couple copies floating around if somebody needed to get ahold of it outside of Nokia, though. Aug 18 06:45:31 It was available from one of the repos with the Diablo testing releases. Aug 18 06:52:29 please forgive me asking probably dumb questions but... is there a special path im supposed to use with gconf settings for my app? Aug 18 06:53:37 there's probably a standard for it :) Aug 18 06:53:59 heh .... ummmmmm any idea what it would be or where to find such docs? Aug 18 06:54:43 dunno, but when you find it, feel free to send it to maemo software, we should read it ;-) Aug 18 06:55:41 * moontiger laughs Aug 18 07:06:12 i'll guess at /usr/share/ Aug 18 07:18:04 Greetings and salutations everyone! :) Aug 18 07:18:10 hi :D Aug 18 07:18:43 :P Aug 18 07:19:20 brb Aug 18 07:19:32 Hey guys! Anything exciting happening tonight? Aug 18 07:19:51 I'll head off to work in a couple minutes Aug 18 07:19:56 I guess that's pretty exciting :) Aug 18 07:20:09 Yeah, especially if you're a janitor! Aug 18 07:20:29 johnx: isn't it like evening there or did you switch timezone to something more european? Aug 18 07:20:45 Stskeeps, night shift :) Aug 18 07:20:53 ah Aug 18 07:21:09 also, if I'm leaving IRC that makes it night per UGT :D Aug 18 07:21:16 :> Aug 18 07:22:08 * Stskeeps is cleaning up his GTD inbox after two weeks away from work and trying to get his work organized Aug 18 07:22:13 * johnx works on sound in deblet Aug 18 07:23:52 my progress will be building a stable /linuxrc for deblet, lobbying for people to use bootmenu.d, change directions on page to use fanoush's bootmenu + my patch, add bootmenu.d support to deblet so we finally fix the bloody fsck problem Aug 18 07:24:16 and look at the GTK installer someone made for debootstrap on tablets Aug 18 07:24:35 Hi ! Aug 18 07:24:37 ah, is the fsck problem tied into this too Aug 18 07:24:45 ? Aug 18 07:24:46 I just hit it again Aug 18 07:24:49 indirectly yeah Aug 18 07:25:21 basically OS needs to mount fs read only and we need initfs not mock around with anything on the debian fs Aug 18 07:25:33 someone have tryed new version of omweather ? Aug 18 07:25:42 Khertan_n810, it's nice Aug 18 07:25:50 Stskeeps, alright, then I should test bootmenu.d too Aug 18 07:26:10 yep i like the ui Aug 18 07:26:18 does it a gtk ui ? Aug 18 07:26:47 i would like to know how they make a grey background Aug 18 07:26:51 johnx: still needing some fixes to deblet to support read-only booting, but i'll prod you when that's done Aug 18 07:27:16 fair enough Aug 18 07:27:26 is there some trick to get around the fsck problem in the meantime Aug 18 07:27:28 ? Aug 18 07:28:41 1. When filesystem is dirty, fsck it in Maemo/elsewhere Aug 18 07:28:41 2. If it still complains (likely/all the time), edit /etc/fstab so that the 1 on the / line is a 0, let it boot, then change it back Aug 18 07:28:45 3. Be happy, as it will boot cleanly (at least it did for me). Aug 18 07:28:48 (from capn_fish) Aug 18 07:29:10 ah, cool Aug 18 07:29:22 i'm just looking forward to getting rid of that bug :P it annoys me a lot since i cannot see what really causes it Aug 18 07:29:51 from what i see in source it s gtk Aug 18 07:30:34 is deblet the name for IT debian? :P Aug 18 07:30:40 Khertan_n810, it's the gtk default theme Aug 18 07:30:48 there's a setting for it in their settings window Aug 18 07:31:03 rm_you: yeah, we decided to avoid all the trademark/logo usage problems Aug 18 07:31:10 :) Aug 18 07:31:10 hum ... Aug 18 07:31:14 it's... cute? :P Aug 18 07:31:29 like mini-debian :P which i guess is the point Aug 18 07:31:38 reminds me of nublet <_< Aug 18 07:31:56 well as in debian on tablets Aug 18 07:32:32 johnx: i've also figured out how to establish charger status on boot and such so there'll be a package for that eventually Aug 18 07:32:40 so we can see how to act when booting Aug 18 07:32:51 Stskeeps, from "bootreason" right? Aug 18 07:32:53 yeah Aug 18 07:32:55 it s doesn t like a theme setting Aug 18 07:33:03 the linuxrc thing incidentially also fixes the blowing up on starting up on charger Aug 18 07:33:11 but more a background setiing on all widget Aug 18 07:39:47 Khertan_n810: http://i38.tinypic.com/125o07n.png - is a mockup. This is what you get in real life: http://i36.tinypic.com/iqwwus.png . https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tags/omweather-0.21.1/?root=omweather - source Aug 18 07:42:24 jack: On your original question (@ 15:14) about Eee PC vs. N800, one of my issues with the N800 is that the CPU power is very limited. Its portability is first class, but its power is not. Aug 18 07:43:00 If you're talking about old-fashioned C & stuff in command-line mode, it would probably do OK, but i frequently get frustrated with the fact that web pages take 4-10x as long to load on the N800 as they do on my laptop. Aug 18 07:45:31 thats partially propably because of the web browser itself being slow Aug 18 07:47:14 Kegetys: Whatever the reason, it's a pain. Aug 18 07:48:37 If it's more convenient to get up from the chair, walk downstairs, and boot up the laptop to browse Facebook, what's the point of having a mobile Internet device? Aug 18 07:48:37 I use it more as a PDA (with the GPE suite) and an MP3 player than as a MID. Aug 18 07:50:30 yeah it sucks a bit, though I wouldnt exoect the experience to be that comparable to a "proper" computer anyway, but it could be a lot faster and more usable I think Aug 18 08:01:52 andre____: gah, i so want to ban plenware Aug 18 08:02:05 me too. Aug 18 08:02:28 or an auto RTFM answer when posting anything Aug 18 08:03:06 thanks for the imports Aug 18 08:03:12 i'll go whack people in a few mins Aug 18 08:03:34 * timely is actually kinda sick and might: use bathroom, walk to work, schedule doctor's visit, visit backup people, go home Aug 18 08:03:53 :-/ Aug 18 08:12:03 Morning, all Aug 18 08:12:07 re Aug 18 08:16:08 hi ... again ... Aug 18 08:22:38 Development Aug 18 08:22:56 of Deb Aug 18 08:25:02 ... Aug 18 08:27:56 hello :| Aug 18 08:28:06 hey bef0rd Aug 18 08:28:31 how is it going qwerty12 Aug 18 08:28:53 All great here, thanks, how about you? Aug 18 08:30:20 cool, figuring out how to use regular expressions on c# Aug 18 08:30:49 andre: ping Aug 18 08:33:06 timeless, pong Aug 18 08:34:08 ok so i cant figure out the path to use for gconf on the n810 ... anybody got any clues? :) Aug 18 08:35:02 moontiger: Path? You can use gconftool if you wish, the raw gconf files are in /var/lib/gconf Aug 18 08:37:13 I think he means the path to store values for his app Aug 18 08:37:26 there should be a guide somewhere on gnome doc Aug 18 08:37:39 bedford: yes but i cant find any docs :( Aug 18 08:40:18 http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ Aug 18 08:40:32 It's not hugely documented, but what I've read seems pretty clear. Aug 18 08:40:43 (I don't really know what the problem is either) Aug 18 08:41:46 well the path '/apps//' works on my desktop but not on my n810 Aug 18 08:44:07 what's the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled? Aug 18 08:44:25 what does the GPE suite sync with? Aug 18 08:45:28 it's evolution dataserver, so it can sync with the same things evolution can i guess Aug 18 08:46:02 is there any command in os2008 which makes led flash? that i could ssh to tablet and say something to make it flash its led? Aug 18 08:46:29 <_marcell_> GeneralAntilles: ping Aug 18 08:46:51 aquatix: ahh, do you use it? Aug 18 08:47:05 aquatix: it would've been wonderful if it could have synced with google services Aug 18 08:47:27 liri: i don't use it myself Aug 18 08:47:36 mcalender syncs with google calender btw Aug 18 08:47:48 :) Aug 18 08:48:03 GPE *can* sync with google through 3rd party (syncml) services Aug 18 08:48:06 mcalendar :) Aug 18 08:48:13 sorry Aug 18 08:48:21 * aquatix has to wake up yet ;) Aug 18 08:48:24 khertan: :) Aug 18 08:48:26 the best calendar application for maemo :) Aug 18 08:48:33 :) Aug 18 08:48:39 moontiger > i ve tryed the widget setting ... Aug 18 08:48:43 well, it would be better if it could sync with my phone ;) Aug 18 08:48:43 thx ... it works great Aug 18 08:48:44 does mtask and mcontacts sync with google too :) Aug 18 08:48:57 mtask don't sync with google Aug 18 08:49:05 khertan: np glad i could help a little :) Aug 18 08:49:09 there's no todo thingee in google i think Aug 18 08:49:15 but mcontacts do it :) (not very well yet ...) Aug 18 08:49:23 aquatix: ofcourse there is Aug 18 08:49:30 liri > there is one ? Aug 18 08:49:31 oh Aug 18 08:49:32 well Aug 18 08:49:34 where to ? Aug 18 08:49:43 i don't want to trust google with all my data anyway :) Aug 18 08:49:49 i ll love to make mtask sync with it :) Aug 18 08:49:51 Khertan: ofcourse, there's Google Notes, I use it daily and I urge you to sync it with google services :) Aug 18 08:50:06 google notes isn't tasks Aug 18 08:50:32 google notebook to be precise Aug 18 08:50:55 Khertan: so mtask is a standalone application? Aug 18 08:51:02 liri > yep Aug 18 08:51:12 liri > and it s not a good application Aug 18 08:51:27 i ll rewrite it from scratch in a few weeks Aug 18 08:51:49 Khertan: well these on the go tools with online services sync are a must for me, I'd love to see you improve it Aug 18 08:51:51 hum ... can't enter end datetime for google notes book Aug 18 08:52:11 Khertan: and adding a google notebook app too would be great Aug 18 08:52:13 Khertan: :) Aug 18 08:52:35 _marcell_, pong. Aug 18 08:52:46 what's the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled? Aug 18 08:52:52 who can help me? Aug 18 08:52:57 liri > yep ... i ll surelly do it after mContacts will be finished :) Aug 18 08:53:06 Khertan: I'm waiting Aug 18 08:53:10 spcui: it's a funky kernel feature. What about it? Aug 18 08:53:35 someone know how omweather set bg color on his windows ? when i do it ... mine is still blank Aug 18 08:53:37 ? Aug 18 08:54:50 my scratchbox has broken when i installed the latest debian lenny system Aug 18 08:54:53 <_marcell_> GeneralAntilles: about the website typo and grammar bugs. I was wondering if you would be interested in fixing those. I gould give you webeditors access on maemo.org. Aug 18 08:55:53 I don't have any issue fixing those myself (I've got more on the list, too, that I just haven't filed bugs for). Anything I need to look out for when editing, though? Aug 18 08:56:23 khertan: doesnt look like there is a python client lib for google notes yet Aug 18 08:56:29 <_marcell_> don't change much in the content :) Aug 18 08:56:51 Khertan: my scratchbox has broken when i installed the latest debian lenny system Aug 18 08:56:53 I'm assuming there are some Nokia-only sections that are off-limits? Aug 18 08:57:09 What's the interface, just midgard wiki-style? Aug 18 08:57:27 <_marcell_> yes, pretty similar Aug 18 08:58:05 <_marcell_> I am not saying that any specific page is off limits, because fixing typos is ok anywhere. Aug 18 08:58:27 <_marcell_> you know, when in doubt, just ask. Aug 18 08:58:30 Just don't screw with the content. Aug 18 08:58:34 moontiger > http://code.google.com/apis/notebook/ Aug 18 08:58:37 there is :) Aug 18 08:58:46 Anyway, yeah, I can handle that. Aug 18 08:59:06 khertan: i just looked and didnt find a python one there! :/ Aug 18 08:59:19 <_marcell_> the official nokia documentation is the reference guide nowadays anyway, so everything else should be ok to edit Aug 18 09:00:29 or is it the same gdata libs as calendar? Aug 18 09:00:41 yep Aug 18 09:00:45 doh!! Aug 18 09:00:52 then it should be easy enough Aug 18 09:00:55 :) Aug 18 09:00:57 the same just import change a bit Aug 18 09:01:09 moontiger > the sync isn't the hardest part ... the ui is :) Aug 18 09:01:25 im almost done with my gcal thingy so i can look at it after maybe :) Aug 18 09:01:34 hehe Aug 18 09:01:59 Khertan: I just want to know that what the /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled is Aug 18 09:02:19 i just have to get that nice transparent stuff going on and make a few changes and its ready to package and go Aug 18 09:02:41 spcui: what system are you running on? Aug 18 09:02:54 spcui > don't know Aug 18 09:03:14 thank you anyway Aug 18 09:03:47 moontiger: my system is running now Aug 18 09:03:48 <_marcell_> GeneralAntilles: you are now in webeditors, try to edit a page under development/ for example, and let's see if it works. Aug 18 09:04:41 khertan: i'll be happy to help out with anything ... i like doing ui's :) Aug 18 09:04:59 moontiger: i execute the command that 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled', then i can login the scratchbox Aug 18 09:05:34 spcui ... you need to alter the config of your system to disable vdso for sbox to run properly Aug 18 09:05:43 there is a simple way to do that Aug 18 09:07:01 add: "vm.vdso_enabled = 0" to "/etc/sysctl.conf" and it will go away ;) Aug 18 09:07:02 _marcell_, just changed development/sdk/ Aug 18 09:07:13 thanks Aug 18 09:07:48 if you get a warning about "vm.mmap_min_addr" you can fix that too Aug 18 09:07:49 moontiger: thank you very much Aug 18 09:07:49 <_marcell_> GeneralAntilles: cool, thanks. Aug 18 09:07:57 np :) Aug 18 09:08:00 I guess I'll pick up those bugs. Aug 18 09:08:04 Thanks, _marcell_. Aug 18 09:09:37 moontiger: what's the vm.vdso_enabled? Aug 18 09:09:59 someone know how to modify the background color of a gtk treeview ... where there is no row ? Aug 18 09:10:15 i get bg color for each row ... but not when there isn't Aug 18 09:10:20 spcui: its to do with virtual dynamic shared objects ... i *think* they are a hang over from a ways back in history so to speak but i wouldnt say for sure Aug 18 09:10:45 oh...thanks Aug 18 09:10:51 khertan: if there is no row maybe there isnt an item to have any properties no? Aug 18 09:11:12 moontiger > yep ... but the color is set for the treeview Aug 18 09:11:26 so the background should be the one of the treevie Aug 18 09:11:27 w Aug 18 09:11:32 not blank ... right ? Aug 18 09:11:36 khertan: but if there is no content maybe the color isnt applied? Aug 18 09:11:57 moontiger > yep ... this is the problem :) Aug 18 09:12:01 I'm sorry, but why do you call yourself the General if you never made it two steps out of your basement? Doesn't seem to make too much sense to me. :) Aug 18 09:12:20 So he doesn't appear Special? Aug 18 09:12:29 khertan: kinda like trying to set properties ona n html element Aug 18 09:12:51 Why not BasementdwellerAntilles? Seems more appropriate. Aug 18 09:13:04 hum ... it s seems that omweather don't set color bg in treeview ... Aug 18 09:13:12 troll spawn? Aug 18 09:13:24 Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, I think I'm being a little moody on my side. :( Aug 18 09:13:59 ok well i have to go get some sleep ... its late here ... nn all :) Aug 18 09:14:14 * GeneralAntilles rolleyes. Aug 18 09:14:51 Here in Florida, we don't have basements. Aug 18 09:15:15 * bef0rd puts on his robe and wizard hat Aug 18 09:15:20 moontiger: thank you for your help....see you tomorrow Aug 18 09:15:48 Addison, that computer seems to be doing bad things to your emotional state. Perhaps you should go upstairs and go to bed. :) Aug 18 09:17:23 hmm my computer keeps typing stuff Aug 18 09:18:14 it types 'qweruiop879+' Aug 18 09:18:23 then lowers the volume :\ Aug 18 09:18:32 it's not me! Aug 18 09:18:34 Yeah, sorry about that. Aug 18 09:19:03 wrong terminal Aug 18 09:19:16 if I were using windows I would have thought about being backdored :P meh, gonna try getting another kb Aug 18 09:20:09 Have all the Maemo bloggers died or is Planet just not updating anymore? Aug 18 09:20:20 ... Aug 18 09:20:34 * qwerty12 evil plan worked. They ALL had my poison. muhahahaha Aug 18 09:20:51 * florian does not have free time for blogging Aug 18 09:20:57 * Khertan still trying to remove hildon windows blank border ... Aug 18 09:21:11 Anyone here who tried atd on Maemo? Aug 18 09:21:18 Khertan, kill it in a fire! Aug 18 09:21:33 GeneralAntilles > method not found Aug 18 09:21:36 Talk about the dumbest waste of screen real estate ever. . . . Aug 18 09:22:04 GeneralAntilles > yep ... gtk.window is more efficient for maemo than hildon ... Aug 18 09:22:20 omweather's guys found how to remove it ... Aug 18 09:22:29 they force fullscreen for their window Aug 18 09:22:30 :) Aug 18 09:24:17 I'm surprised it hasn't been fixed Aug 18 09:24:25 GeneralAntilles > ? Aug 18 09:24:25 Well, no, not surprised Aug 18 09:24:33 Nothing Maemo-related surprises me anymore Aug 18 09:24:35 the fullscreen windows ? Aug 18 09:24:43 or the with space Aug 18 09:24:47 It's interesting to note that that retarded border hasn't been fixed in 3 years. :P Aug 18 09:24:58 Good job GA, I really should go upstairs now and work on my emotional state. Thank you so much for your direction! It's so great to get advice from a social leper such as yourself! :) Aug 18 09:25:13 that retarded border ? Aug 18 09:25:19 Talk about unprovoked trolling. Aug 18 09:25:32 The whitespace border Aug 18 09:26:04 Addison, get back to me when you feel like making useful contributions beyond whining and random trolling. Aug 18 09:26:23 llol Aug 18 09:27:18 Hey, I'm just upset today and you were the first person I could jump on. Sorry, I needed to lash out on someone and you always seem to be the perfect target for those who don't know you. Aug 18 09:27:31 internet, serious business Aug 18 09:27:53 Addison, buy a stress doll instead. I'm not in the mood. Aug 18 09:28:11 run Eliza Aug 18 09:28:23 You're never in the mood, but yeah, I'll buy one. :) Aug 18 09:28:26 and don't forget to buy a new keyboard afterward Aug 18 09:32:44 lol setting frame or set_decorated(False) do nothing on a hildon window Aug 18 09:33:05 Khertan: kill it for disobedience Aug 18 09:34:35 set_border_width do nothing too Aug 18 09:35:03 qwerty12 > hildon.Window.killit("Brutally") method not found ... Aug 18 09:35:18 lol Aug 18 09:38:32 GeneralAntilles> there is no bug in bugs.maemo.org for hildon.Window border Aug 18 09:40:59 It's not alive, destroy it, not kill Aug 18 09:45:16 can't kill the undead Aug 18 09:57:28 Khertan, I swear there is Aug 18 09:57:29 GeneralAntilles > #3605 Aug 18 09:57:44 hum ... doesn't found it with search Aug 18 09:57:46 It may be hidden in one of Sean Luke's useless bugs, though. . . . Aug 18 09:57:58 so i ve just created #3605 Aug 18 09:58:14 but if you found it i ll mark as duplicate ... Aug 18 10:03:23 Khertan, I can't dig it up Aug 18 10:03:33 and don't feel like wadding through Sean's bugs to find it Aug 18 10:04:32 Khertan, that summary is basically useless. :P Aug 18 10:04:38 really ? Aug 18 10:05:01 I need to be able to know what the bug's about by looking at the summary. Aug 18 10:05:16 k ... Aug 18 10:05:17 Right now I get "something related to Hildon windows and borders" Aug 18 10:05:32