**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 19 02:59:56 2008
Aug 19 03:00:25 <dougt> it goes through the boot process, then discovers that it can start X, and reboots itself.
Aug 19 03:00:28 <GeneralAntilles> flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-omap-wd
Aug 19 03:00:54 <GeneralAntilles> If that doesn't work, then flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset
Aug 19 03:01:06 <GeneralAntilles> Then it'll boot and ignore the fact that the xserver is dying
Aug 19 03:01:10 <dougt> cool
Aug 19 03:01:18 <GeneralAntilles> If it autoconnects, you can ssh into it and fix
Aug 19 03:01:31 <GeneralAntilles> This is your device or somebody else's?
Aug 19 03:01:34 <GeneralAntilles> ~flash-boot
Aug 19 03:01:37 <GeneralAntilles> ~flash-booting
Aug 19 03:01:41 <GeneralAntilles> ~boot-sd
Aug 19 03:01:43 <infobot> i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Aug 19 03:01:46 <GeneralAntilles> There it is
Aug 19 03:01:53 <GeneralAntilles> If it's yours, consider setting that up.
Aug 19 03:02:20 <GeneralAntilles> Also, remember to flasher-3.0 --clear-rd-flags=no-omap-wd,no-lifeguard-reset when you're done/
Aug 19 03:31:10 <moontiger> any word on the icd2 thingy related to PAN yet?
Aug 19 04:01:56 <GeneralAntilles> moontiger, fix is in the repo
Aug 19 04:02:00 <GeneralAntilles> See the bug for details
Aug 19 04:10:36 * hachi goes searching to see if there's a new OS release yet
Aug 19 04:10:44 <GeneralAntilles> Has been for a while.
Aug 19 04:10:50 <GeneralAntilles> Several, actually.
Aug 19 04:14:59 <hachi> maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FLASH....yadda yadda
Aug 19 04:15:04 <hachi> points to wiki.maemo.org
Aug 19 04:15:09 <hachi> which is dead?
Aug 19 04:15:44 <hachi> ooop, reloaded it 6 times, finally go the page instead of a white page
Aug 19 04:15:46 <GeneralAntilles> ~flashing
Aug 19 04:15:47 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 19 04:16:11 <hachi> yeah, it wasn't a url problem, the web server was returning an empty 200 response
Aug 19 04:17:43 <GeneralAntilles> Just reload
Aug 19 04:17:46 <hachi> is there a changelog?
Aug 19 04:17:49 <GeneralAntilles> server upgrades are coming in a week or two
Aug 19 04:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> ~diablo-changelogs
Aug 19 04:18:03 <GeneralAntilles> ~diablo-changelog
Aug 19 04:18:04 <infobot> i heard diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/4wafha
Aug 19 04:18:17 <GeneralAntilles> Just change the Bugzilla search to read 4.1.1
Aug 19 04:18:45 <hachi> wow
Aug 19 04:24:16 <moontiger> GA... its just that there was an update to MaemoPAN today and i got all excited and thought nokia might have fixed the icd2 thing
Aug 19 04:25:15 <GAN800> moontiger, they released a fix;
Aug 19 04:25:24 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: roughly what timefram can we expect to hear about the n<whatever is next>? Any idea?
Aug 19 04:25:43 <moontiger> really??? why can i not use PAN still then? do i have to do something?
Aug 19 04:25:57 <GAN800> uh?
Aug 19 04:26:22 <GAN800> summatusmentis, Nokia does not announce future hardware plans.
Aug 19 04:27:18 <GAN800> FCC should be around 90 days before release
Aug 19 04:28:18 <GAN800> expect some more details the day of release. ;)
Aug 19 04:28:45 <summatusmentis> GAN800: haha, I didn't know what the level of leakage was
Aug 19 04:29:21 <GAN800> low
Aug 19 04:29:46 <summatusmentis> bummer :)
Aug 19 04:30:22 <moontiger> ummmmm sorry for going on about it but... im not able to see my PAN connection still from the connections selector ... is that supposed to be fixed?
Aug 19 04:30:31 <hachi> awwww, segmentation fault
Aug 19 04:31:11 <GAN800> moontiger, did you look at the bug and install the fix? . . . .
Aug 19 04:31:24 <GAN800> it's got 'DUMMY' in the summary.
Aug 19 04:31:39 <moontiger> ummmmmmm where do i finfd that? im sorry :/
Aug 19 04:31:53 <GAN800> bugs.maemo.org
Aug 19 04:32:17 <moontiger> thnx :)
Aug 19 04:36:47 <moontiger> GAN800... cant find it anywhere there :(
Aug 19 04:37:34 <hachi> anyone know why nokia would choose to make a chinese font package, but not do japanese (or korean, but I don't care about that myself)
Aug 19 04:41:02 <Knowledge> Guys, any word on a successor to the N810 yet? I really want a new gadget that I'm not going to use and can't decide on waiting for the new iPod Touch, or the newer version of the N810...if such a beast will exist...
Aug 19 04:41:23 <doc|home> it might do, but it'll get even more closed :/
Aug 19 04:41:56 <GAN800> um?
Aug 19 04:42:15 <GAN800> OMAP3
Aug 19 04:42:24 <Knowledge> wow, I just realized that I could possibly control my IC-7000 with USB OTG...
Aug 19 04:42:38 <Knowledge> that's right GAN, I remember you telling me that a few weeks back
Aug 19 04:43:26 <Knowledge> But any ideas on when...or roughly around?
Aug 19 04:44:35 <GAN800> Knowledge, , Nokia does not announce future hardware plans.
Aug 19 04:44:38 <GAN800> FCC should be around 90 days before release
Aug 19 04:44:42 <GAN800> expect some more details the day of release. ;)
Aug 19 04:44:52 <Knowledge> I also remember you telling me that thing about Nokia...
Aug 19 04:45:39 <Knowledge> Grrr....I hate waiting...
Aug 19 04:45:49 <Knowledge> I could only imagine what the next beast is going to have....
Aug 19 04:46:16 <Knowledge> I just hope there's a d-pad on the OUTside of the thing....I never noticed that until it was mentioned here.
Aug 19 04:47:23 <moontiger> think i found it on itt :)
Aug 19 04:51:27 <Knowledge> is maemo.org the only place for apps? I could swear I saw an app related to Ham Radio a while back.....
Aug 19 04:51:34 <Knowledge> maybe on garage.maemo?
Aug 19 04:51:35 <Knowledge> hmmm
Aug 19 04:52:38 <GAN800> Where do you get Windows applications? :P
Aug 19 04:53:23 <Knowledge> demonoid
Aug 19 04:53:26 <Knowledge> ;-)
Aug 19 04:58:13 <moontiger> it works!! sooooo good :)
Aug 19 04:58:17 <moontiger> thnx guys :)
Aug 19 05:12:54 <Knowledge> g'nite guys.
Aug 19 05:38:20 <GeneralAntilles> Could the plenware guys be more useless?
Aug 19 06:04:58 <Khertgan_again> hi
Aug 19 06:05:12 <qwerty12> hello Khertan
Aug 19 06:10:16 <Khertgan_again> hello qwerty12
Aug 19 06:18:56 <liri> morning Khertan
Aug 19 06:19:06 <liri> how's the google notebooks app going? :)
Aug 19 06:23:08 * moontiger laughs
Aug 19 06:23:57 <Khertgan_again> liri: at this time ... there is no file created :)
Aug 19 06:24:13 <Khertgan_again> still working on mcalendar :)
Aug 19 06:24:36 <Khertgan_again> and i must finish mContacts before the summit :)
Aug 19 06:25:00 * qwerty12 decides whether to make a sudoers file or just depend on rootsh | easyroot | becomeroot :/
Aug 19 06:25:12 <moontiger> if i finish my lil app before then i'll have a go at it if you like :)
Aug 19 06:26:11 <Khertgan_again> you can :)
Aug 19 06:26:54 <moontiger> im starting to get the hang of things a bit more :)
Aug 19 06:35:28 <GAN800> qwerty12, rotation support?
Aug 19 06:37:06 <qwerty12> GAN800: Yeah. I'm not sure about one thing though. I'm taking the lazy way out and already providing pre compiled binaries of the kernel and Xomap. I don't know if there is a licensing issue there :/. I guess I can get the rules file to rebuild from source but I'm too lazy.
Aug 19 06:38:07 <GAN800> How does Nokia invoke flash-and-reboot?
Aug 19 06:39:01 <qwerty12> They have a flag set in the control file. But I'm not using flash-and-reboot, I'm just running fiasco-flasher straight from the postinst.
Aug 19 06:39:16 <GAN800> By the way, this is gonna be fucking awesome once you get it working. :D
Aug 19 06:39:32 <GAN800> ah, ok, that's probably a better plan
Aug 19 06:39:55 <GAN800> So you don't pick up an errant initfs image and overwrite somebody's bootmenu.
Aug 19 06:40:07 <qwerty12> Hehe :D. It's actually a package that I'm going to have to actually maintain >.<
Aug 19 06:40:10 <qwerty12> Yeah :)
Aug 19 06:40:11 <liri> writing over inifts=bad
Aug 19 06:40:34 <GAN800> kernel and rotation-support to Extras-devel, rest to Extras, right?
Aug 19 06:40:47 <GAN800> liri, that's how it has to be upgraded.
Aug 19 06:41:26 <hachi> only thing I would want rotation for is reading PDF
Aug 19 06:41:30 <qwerty12> I'm actually keeping it in one package. I don't want to upload an xserver and making people's ssu jump.
Aug 19 06:41:31 <hachi> are there other good uses for it?
Aug 19 06:41:55 <GAN800> anything that might work better in protrait. . .
Aug 19 06:42:28 <hachi> that could have gone without saying
Aug 19 06:42:42 <hachi> I'm fishing for slightly more concrete ideas
Aug 19 06:43:21 <GAN800> FBReader, browser, Notes, text editing, etc.
Aug 19 06:43:40 <qwerty12> This actually works pretty easily. The dependencies of the package will install advanced-backlight and all the postinst does is overwrite the Xomap binary with a symlink pointing to an Xomap with xrandr extension and flash the kernel.
Aug 19 06:44:23 <GAN800> Hrm, what happens when Nokia updates the xserve? Symlink is overwritten?
Aug 19 06:44:46 <qwerty12> Yep, but I include a reinstall script that just "resymlinks" it
Aug 19 06:45:15 <hachi> does this OS have dpkg-divert?
Aug 19 06:45:18 <hachi> you could use that
Aug 19 06:45:33 <qwerty12> And if in the rare event Nokia actually update libxrandr or the xserver, I'll just update the package.
Aug 19 06:45:40 <qwerty12> hachi: good point actually
Aug 19 06:46:27 <GAN800> qwerty12, what happens when they want to uninstall the package?
Aug 19 06:46:40 <GAN800> Where do you grab the xserver from again?
Aug 19 06:46:50 <hachi> dpkg-divert handles that just fine
Aug 19 06:47:19 <qwerty12> apt-get install --reinstall xomap-xserver would work as it's in the catalogue repository
Aug 19 06:47:39 <GAN800> You sure?
Aug 19 06:47:46 <GAN800> diablo-1, too?
Aug 19 06:47:58 <qwerty12> diablo-1 is blank, check the Packages file for it
Aug 19 06:48:18 <hachi> it sounds a bit dangerous, like you could end up removing your package and have no X server for a period of time
Aug 19 06:48:55 <GAN800> qwerty12, then where will you get Xomap?
Aug 19 06:48:56 <qwerty12> I haven't really thought about uninstalling. if you uninstall the package, you just uninstall the package. rotation is still there.
Aug 19 06:49:15 <GAN800> Uninstall need
Aug 19 06:49:21 <GAN800> s to uninstall
Aug 19 06:49:40 <qwerty12> GAN800: I don't know the specifics but even though diablo-1 is blank, it still picks up packages from diablo
Aug 19 06:50:05 <GAN800> diablo isn't in the catalog list. . . .
Aug 19 06:51:07 <GAN800> I'd like to hear why they thought it would be a better idea to ship a new goddamn repository for each freaking update. . . .
Aug 19 06:51:26 <qwerty12> For me it isn't but --reinstall still works fine. The only time it wouldn't work if the user had no internet connection or (stupidly) disabled the update repository.
Aug 19 06:51:41 <qwerty12> I think this one was to fix the apt-get message
Aug 19 06:52:10 <qwerty12> I hear emjayes has got rotation working easily, he has a button in his program that will install rotation
Aug 19 06:52:42 <GAN800> No package management? :/
Aug 19 06:53:09 <GAN800> I don't think we should unecessarily break or bypass the package management system.
Aug 19 06:53:56 <XTL> brilliant
Aug 19 06:54:15 <qwerty12> Nokia's version stuff has me doing it though. If I upload an xserver I hold the risk of bricking people's devices when they see it and think it's a shiny update.
Aug 19 06:55:03 <GAN800> It wont appear in h-a-m, though.
Aug 19 06:55:14 <XTL> Especially since the "not from Nokia" nag screen comes up wwhen installing anything useful
Aug 19 06:55:46 <qwerty12> Well, you know the fools that use red-pill mode without understanding it...
Aug 19 06:56:00 <GAN800> They get what they deserve.
Aug 19 06:56:12 <qwerty12> XTL: True. Think I can get mvo to program a not from qwerty12 screen :D?
Aug 19 06:56:28 <XTL> :)
Aug 19 06:56:49 <qwerty12> Hmm
Aug 19 06:56:51 * GAN800 still can't believe there's not a non-broken-as-fuck way to pick a dependency based on hardware.
Aug 19 06:57:13 <hachi> qwerty12: I'd blame the instructions on the wiki that tell you to use it without telling you what it is
Aug 19 06:57:17 <GAN800> The health warning is going to be reduced in annoyingness.
Aug 19 06:57:36 <GAN800> Which wiki?
Aug 19 06:57:59 <qwerty12> hachi: Lots of people say to use it. I won't deny I'm one of them but I say it in a time where it would actually benefit.
Aug 19 06:58:05 <hachi> http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access # for example
Aug 19 06:58:13 <GAN800> Has somebody asked a real Debian packager if there's a way to pull that off yet?
Aug 19 06:58:14 <hachi> crap, wrong page
Aug 19 06:58:41 * GAN800 is scarred shitless of rm_you's dirty hack.
Aug 19 06:58:47 <hachi> http://wiki.maemo.org/Enable_screen_rotation_in_Diablo
Aug 19 06:58:53 <hachi> step 5
Aug 19 06:59:10 <GAN800> hachi, broken as page moved from the itT wiki.
Aug 19 06:59:15 <GAN800> s/as/ass/
Aug 19 06:59:16 <infobot> GAN800 meant: hachi, broken ass page moved from the itT wiki.
Aug 19 06:59:34 <GAN800> It'll be deleted as soon as qwerty12 gets the package together.
Aug 19 06:59:46 * qwerty12 has his doubts on the packge
Aug 19 06:59:49 <qwerty12> package even
Aug 19 07:00:02 <GAN800> qwerty12, anyway, talk to jott about it, would you?
Aug 19 07:00:17 <qwerty12> sure
Aug 19 07:00:23 <GAN800> There's a clean and robust way to do it.
Aug 19 07:00:28 <qwerty12> jott actually knows what he is doing :)
Aug 19 07:00:35 * qwerty12 passes the buck
Aug 19 07:00:55 <GAN800> Maybe drop -developers a line and see if you can elicit a response from some @nokias.
Aug 19 07:02:24 <qwerty12> Yeah, good idea. I'm in a whole lot of dilemma's with this package. I can't provide a quick and easy way to uninstall, because I can't run another dpkg/apt when hildon-application-manager is running. If I provide the original kernel and xomap with the package, it wastes space :/
Aug 19 07:03:02 <qwerty12> s/'s/s
Aug 19 07:03:17 <GAN800> I'd be interested in hearing if m-vo has any ideas.
Aug 19 07:04:20 <qwerty12> In all honesty, I'm tempted to leave the package as it is and just upload only to extras-devel
Aug 19 07:05:10 <GAN800> Hrm, start with jusy the kernel package for now?
Aug 19 07:05:19 <GAN800> just*
Aug 19 07:06:26 <GAN800> qwerty12, think you could ask about diablo-1 in the -developers email?
Aug 19 07:06:46 <qwerty12> Yeah. I still don't know if I can upload a binary only kernel and write a document on how I compiled this kernel. If I can't then it's gonna be a shitload of stuff I have to write in rules :/
Aug 19 07:06:51 <qwerty12> GAN800: Sure
Aug 19 07:07:21 <GAN800> Can autobuilder handle kernels?
Aug 19 07:07:36 <qwerty12> Yeah, the fuse package does it
Aug 19 07:07:58 <_marcell_> GAN800: what about the diablo-1? Maybe I can answer to some questions.
Aug 19 07:09:13 <GAN800> Why do we need a new upgrade repo for each new SSU push?
Aug 19 07:09:47 <GAN800> Tableteer updates WAS going to become a nice place go get replacement system packages.
Aug 19 07:10:12 <GAN800> But diablo-1/ hasn't been populated with anything, and diablo/ was removed.
Aug 19 07:10:43 <qwerty12> diablo is still there
Aug 19 07:10:54 <GAN800> So people with 30-2 can't replace their xservers (or any other system packages).
Aug 19 07:11:05 <GAN800> qwerty12, not here.
Aug 19 07:11:05 <_marcell_> as far as I remember the idea was to provide incremental upgrades. something might come that applies only on top of the first ssu.
Aug 19 07:11:10 <johnx> GAN800, they probably don't want a complete system floating around on a semi-public server
Aug 19 07:11:32 <qwerty12> Ok, this is how i see it as working.
Aug 19 07:12:41 <qwerty12> http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ has the updates in it. I know for sure as the kernel-diablo-flasher is now -29 instead of -23. The 29 corresponds with the latest update. diablo-1 is empty. The packages file is blank, so no files must be gotten from there. it's some odd sort of link.
Aug 19 07:12:57 <_marcell_> I am not completely sure but isn't it so that the plain diablo has the ssu repo configured as diablo/ then the ssu changes the ssu repo to diablo-1,
Aug 19 07:13:07 <GAN800> It causes a bit of trouble when somebody tries to apt-get upgrade without an osso-software-version and nokia-repositories removes theur ability to get it.
Aug 19 07:13:24 <GAN800> That evil damn nokia-repositories package.
Aug 19 07:14:14 <GAN800> The latest set of packages should at least be included in the latest update repo
Aug 19 07:14:20 <_marcell_> yes, I told kottori about the nokia-repositories and he promised to talk to mvo as soon as he gets back from vacation
Aug 19 07:14:45 <GAN800> It's passworded, so 'not having everything in one place' is a nonsense argument.
Aug 19 07:15:23 <GAN800> The end result is more pain and suffering for users with the current.
Aug 19 07:15:26 <_marcell_> yes, it's passworded, but with a not-so-secret password
Aug 19 07:15:30 <GAN800> setup
Aug 19 07:16:30 <GAN800> Which is sad, because Nokia seemed to be moving in a 'let's try NOT to make things harder for users than they need to be' with the way the pre-23-14 Diablo updates were handled.
Aug 19 07:16:33 <qwerty12> Is there really any point in keeping a password on it? From what i can see, I don't see much difference from what is actually already present on our tablets.
Aug 19 07:17:03 <GAN800> Same reason tablets-dev is authenticated.
Aug 19 07:17:11 <_marcell_> might be so and I am not trying to defend nokia too much here, but there are all kinds of legal restrictions and contracts with other third party providers like adobe, intel skype and friends that demand that we do not share the stuff with the general public before the official relese.
Aug 19 07:17:13 <_marcell_> release
Aug 19 07:17:32 <qwerty12> I see
Aug 19 07:18:12 <GAN800> Anyway, I'd like to see this talked out on -developers.
Aug 19 07:18:15 <_marcell_> from legal point of view having a password is good enough. even a not so well hidden password
Aug 19 07:18:43 <GAN800> Arguing it on a finger-keyboard is tiring.
Aug 19 07:19:25 <_marcell_> It's the same thing as export control to syria and a handful of other countries. This is mandatory, no way around and a huge pain in the ass to maintain a system which makes the lawyers happy.
Aug 19 07:20:35 <GAN800> Cloning the releases of all packages to diablo-1 from diablo would satisfy me for the time being.
Aug 19 07:20:36 * qwerty12 is doubtful this rotation-support package will get done. I'll work on it to the best of my ability (which isn't much) but there is SO MUCH SHIT to workaround, that is makes it impossible for me. I'm hypothesising so much possible problems, I'm getting an headache. No, usually, I'm not a drama queen.
Aug 19 07:21:05 <GAN800> qwerty12, poke the community-kernels crew, too. ;)
Aug 19 07:22:40 <qwerty12> GAN800: It's the xserver that is giving me problems. At the moment, I'm depending on libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.1-1). If nokia update it then there is a good chance the xserver wont start. If I specify libxrandr2 (= 2:1.2.1-1) then I may not allow a possible nokia update to happen :/
Aug 19 07:23:40 <qwerty12> I'll work on it as best as I can and then pass it off to a proper packager
Aug 19 07:24:38 <qwerty12> It would be so much easier if nokia would just ship the fucking xrandr xserver and kernel with each release
Aug 19 07:24:56 <GAN800> Hehe
Aug 19 07:25:14 <GAN800> Way too much testing before that'll happen.
Aug 19 07:25:17 <qwerty12> If nokia did then rotation-support = advanced-backlight :)
Aug 19 07:25:41 <Khertan_n810> i'm back again
Aug 19 07:25:57 <GAN800> Be nice if they'd warn us of releases.
Aug 19 07:26:12 <Khertan_n810> subway and 3g doesn t work very well
Aug 19 07:26:23 <qwerty12> I don't get it though, Nokia happily ship libxrandr2 and from what I could quickly see, the gtk is linked against it
Aug 19 07:26:38 <GAN800> But considering the community finds out before most of Maemo Software. . . .
Aug 19 07:26:38 <Khertan_n810> some engineer that don t know apt which have take this stupid decision to change repository diablo to diablo-1
Aug 19 07:26:55 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 19 07:27:10 <GAN800> One wonders
Aug 19 07:27:36 <GAN800> Nokia USUALLY doesn't do things for no reason, but I would like to get an explanation.
Aug 19 07:28:00 <Khertan_n810> yeah USUALLY
Aug 19 07:28:16 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 19 07:28:22 <GAN800> Whether those reasons actually make sense, well. . . .
Aug 19 07:28:26 * qwerty12 is glad to find out he is a virus :/
Aug 19 07:28:37 <GAN800> But at least they are reasons.
Aug 19 07:28:38 <Khertan_n810> ?
Aug 19 07:28:41 <aquatix> morning all
Aug 19 07:28:52 <qwerty12> Khertan_n810: google qwerty12.exe :/
Aug 19 07:29:03 * GAN800 still wants an answer on tablet-browser-ui.
Aug 19 07:29:18 <aquatix> How to remove qwerty12?
Aug 19 07:29:20 <Khertan_n810> lol
Aug 19 07:29:25 <aquatix> [first hit]
Aug 19 07:29:30 <aquatix> [modified slightly ;)]
Aug 19 07:29:34 <qwerty12> lol, i'm a hated man :D
Aug 19 07:29:44 <aquatix> ``Help qwerty12.exe pop ups driving me mad''
Aug 19 07:29:47 <aquatix> teehee
Aug 19 07:29:56 <Khertan_n810> it s a trojan
Aug 19 07:30:05 * qwerty12 steals jott's XB-Maemo-Icon-26. Hope he doesn't mind :)
Aug 19 07:30:49 * qwerty12 can't draw to save me life
Aug 19 07:31:42 <Khertan_n810> Identified as a variant of the Trojan.Win32.Agent.aoy Trojan.
Aug 19 07:32:11 <qwerty12> Ironically, it would be nice if I did actually make that virus because it means I can actually program :P
Aug 19 07:34:03 <aquatix> *g*
Aug 19 07:38:21 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12: lol
Aug 19 07:39:51 <qwerty12> For rotation-support, I'll go with placebo effect. When I'm uninstalling, I'll only restore the xomap. I'd like to flash the kernel but as they are given different numbers and flash-and-reboot has a tendency to delete them, I don't think that will work.
Aug 19 07:40:13 * Stskeeps pokes his kernel crashing debian with a stick on fire.
Aug 19 07:40:36 <qwerty12> It's odd that you have to have  DEBUG kernel enabled or mce crashes on shutdown :P
Aug 19 07:41:00 <Stskeeps> i have a really awkward problem with softcursor blowing up in my face :P
Aug 19 07:41:18 <qwerty12> eek, compiled in or modules?
Aug 19 07:41:59 <Stskeeps> modules
Aug 19 07:42:03 <Stskeeps> still wonders me wtf goes on
Aug 19 07:43:02 <qwerty12> fanoush's fb_update_mode is cool, using that and fbgrab, I managed to get a screenshot of my bootup
Aug 19 07:43:17 <Stskeeps> yeah, i use fb_update_mode as well
Aug 19 07:44:12 <qwerty12> Sigh. I'd give fanoush the black linuxrc and bootmenu.sh but I've made too changes :(
Aug 19 07:44:21 <qwerty12> *too much
Aug 19 07:45:02 <Stskeeps> hmm. i don't have a /mnt/initfs
Aug 19 07:45:07 <Stskeeps> i wonder if that fucks things up..
Aug 19 07:47:50 <Stskeeps> yup. pivot root to a non existent directory -really- blows up things
Aug 19 07:50:01 <RST38h> moo, all
Aug 19 07:50:28 * qwerty12 takes a break and de stresses himself by killing people, jacking cars and having a wanted level. In GTA of course.
Aug 19 07:50:30 <qwerty12> Hey RST38h
Aug 19 07:50:32 * Khertan_n810 still doesn t understand what is the purpose of twitter
Aug 19 07:52:13 <GAN800> Khertan, irc for losers?
Aug 19 07:52:42 <RST38h> Khertan: 1. Create buzz 2. Sell out to Google
Aug 19 07:52:48 <RST38h> 3. Go to Bahamas
Aug 19 07:53:11 <Khertan_n810> hum ...
Aug 19 07:53:29 <Khertan_n810> maybe i should make a similar useless website
Aug 19 07:53:38 * Khertan_n810 need to find a idea
Aug 19 07:56:28 <Khertan_n810> google have already bought jaiku
Aug 19 07:56:34 <bef0rd> oui
Aug 19 07:59:02 <Khertan_n810> bef0rd are u french ?
Aug 19 08:00:11 <bef0rd> no, but I like to say oui :D
Aug 19 08:00:57 <Khertan_n810> lol
Aug 19 08:01:11 <Khertan_n810> i m french and  like to say : ya :)
Aug 19 08:02:04 <rm_you> I'm american and I like to say "Neko wa kawaii desu" >_>
Aug 19 08:02:26 <rm_you> all people say ridiculous things around cats tho, so i think it's acceptable :P
Aug 19 08:02:40 <bef0rd> what does that mean?
Aug 19 08:03:05 <rm_you> approximately "The cat is cute."
Aug 19 08:03:16 <Khertan_n810> lool
Aug 19 08:03:54 <aquatix> hm, can the canola last.fm plugin scobble too?
Aug 19 08:04:12 <bef0rd> aquatix, supposedly
Aug 19 08:04:26 <Khertan_n810> yeah ! i ve received my tshirt
Aug 19 08:04:48 <rm_you> tshirt? :P
Aug 19 08:04:55 <aquatix> bef0rd: ah, good; its description only mentions playing music *from* last.mf
Aug 19 08:04:59 <aquatix> *last.fm
Aug 19 08:05:06 <Khertan_n810> yep ... the one for the summit
Aug 19 08:05:32 <Khertan_n810> with the logo : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png
Aug 19 08:05:35 <rm_you> anyone else remember Chocolate Starfish and Hot Dog Flavored Water? >_>
Aug 19 08:05:40 <rm_you> i think that's what it was called...
Aug 19 08:05:45 <bef0rd> yep
Aug 19 08:05:54 <Khertan_n810> rm_you: great album
Aug 19 08:06:00 <rm_you> randomly found a cd with one of those songs on it in my car
Aug 19 08:06:04 <rm_you> and i was like, wtf happened to them
Aug 19 08:06:43 <Khertan_n810> hum they ve made a fucking bad album
Aug 19 08:06:57 <Khertan_n810> and know we don t more ear it
Aug 19 08:07:05 <rm_you> sah didn't Borland leave or summat? >_>
Aug 19 08:07:47 <bef0rd> borland?
Aug 19 08:08:06 <bef0rd> fred durst
Aug 19 08:08:20 <qwerty12> IGP + Overclocking = Hell No
Aug 19 08:08:26 <rm_you> ah right
Aug 19 08:08:41 <rm_you> no
Aug 19 08:08:43 <rm_you> it was Borland
Aug 19 08:09:22 <rm_you> and now he does this:  http://www.blacklightburns.com/
Aug 19 08:09:52 <aquatix> way to go, an all-image webiste
Aug 19 08:09:59 <aquatix> man i can't type today :(
Aug 19 08:11:25 <timeless> why does http://maemo.org/profile/list/ not list a company for qgil?
Aug 19 08:11:42 <timeless> hrm, i'm not very high in the userlist
Aug 19 08:11:57 <timeless> how does one earn *negative* karma?
Aug 19 08:12:04 <timeless> http://maemo.org/profile/view/karoliina/
Aug 19 08:12:11 <timeless> Karma -192
Aug 19 08:12:26 <qwerty12> The community wants her sacked :/
Aug 19 08:12:28 <qwerty12> :P
Aug 19 08:12:30 <XTL> Impersonating a woman on the net
Aug 19 08:13:11 <XTL> And having a blog on expired domainname?
Aug 19 08:13:29 <rm_you> YOU're not very high!? i'm on page SIX! >_<
Aug 19 08:13:36 <bef0rd> there are no womans on the internet :|
Aug 19 08:14:02 <timeless> hrm, is maemo.org/community/wiki readonly?
Aug 19 08:15:05 <rm_you> I still can't login to the wiki >_>
Aug 19 08:15:07 <rm_you> so lame
Aug 19 08:15:13 <rm_you> I may revisit my bug report
Aug 19 08:16:30 <rm_you> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3512
Aug 19 08:16:38 <rm_you> no activity >_>
Aug 19 08:16:54 <rm_you> can i just like, post another comment asking for a progress update? >_>
Aug 19 08:17:13 <timeless> heh
Aug 19 08:17:20 <timeless> you can
Aug 19 08:17:25 <timeless> but you could also send email
Aug 19 08:17:34 <rm_you> ?
Aug 19 08:17:36 <timeless> i'd just poke andre__
Aug 19 08:17:40 <timeless> and make him do the nagging
Aug 19 08:17:42 <rm_you> andre__: poke? >_>
Aug 19 08:18:05 <bef0rd> https://launchpad.net/~karoliina-t-salminen
Aug 19 08:18:11 <XTL> What you do after a peek
Aug 19 08:23:48 <_marcell_> rm_you: I pinged Ferenc about 3512
Aug 19 08:24:05 <rm_you> thanks, I would love to be able to actually log in :)
Aug 19 08:24:32 <rm_you> not that it's unusable... i can still edit anonymously
Aug 19 08:25:06 <timeless> oh, hi _marcell_
Aug 19 08:25:22 <_marcell_> hi timeless
Aug 19 08:30:15 <bef0rd> hi _marcell_
Aug 19 08:30:45 <timeless> so um
Aug 19 08:30:53 <timeless> can someone please explain what bug 229 wants? :)
Aug 19 08:32:25 <timeless> and is tim samoff around?
Aug 19 08:32:30 <XTL> You mean originally or still?
Aug 19 08:32:35 <XTL> for the bug :9
Aug 19 08:32:45 <timeless> ?
Aug 19 08:32:52 <timeless> 1. what does the bug actually want
Aug 19 08:33:05 <timeless> preferably w/ a real web page and actual pictures showing what should change and how
Aug 19 08:33:14 <XTL> 1. I think, independent resizes for text and images
Aug 19 08:33:14 <timeless> and explaining why such a change makes using that web page better
Aug 19 08:33:30 <timeless> you need to answer the rest of it
Aug 19 08:33:51 <timeless> the little bit you have is the little unuseful bit the bug has
Aug 19 08:33:59 <timeless> 2. presence of tim
Aug 19 08:34:32 * timeless hunts glazout
Aug 19 08:34:34 <timeless> -t
Aug 19 08:49:03 <Stskeeps> woop, think i might have solved the fsck problem on deblet \o/
Aug 19 09:14:06 <bef0rd> buu
Aug 19 09:14:41 * gomiam jumps frightened
Aug 19 09:14:43 <gomiam> ;-)
Aug 19 09:14:58 <bef0rd> haha, hi.
Aug 19 09:15:30 <gomiam> "haha, hi"... it's the first time I see a written stutter :-)
Aug 19 09:16:21 <gomiam> anyway welcome to the sleepy #maemo channel
Aug 19 09:17:11 <gomiam> by the way, bef0rd, are from a Spanish-speaking country, by any chance?
Aug 19 09:17:12 <XTL> ugh, coffee's gone cold
Aug 19 09:17:24 <bef0rd> yea, I'm from Colombia
Aug 19 09:17:45 <gomiam> bef0rd: ya me pareció, cuando escribiste "buu" en vez de "boo" ;-)
Aug 19 09:18:17 <bef0rd> haha
Aug 19 09:18:24 * bef0rd failed at booing
Aug 19 09:30:51 <RST38h> yawn
Aug 19 09:31:29 <bef0rd> boo
Aug 19 09:32:41 * gomiam jumps frightened ("Stop doing that!";-)
Aug 19 09:33:45 * bef0rd does it right this time
Aug 19 09:33:47 <bef0rd> :P
Aug 19 09:33:56 <RST38h> "buu" is fine
Aug 19 09:34:49 <gomiam> :-D
Aug 19 09:48:37 <bef0rd> lolcatz make me lol.
Aug 19 09:48:51 <bef0rd> so gomiam, :P, where you from? spain?
Aug 19 09:48:58 <gomiam> yup
Aug 19 09:50:41 <bef0rd> cool
Aug 19 09:52:37 <gomiam> no, quite hot, currently ;-)
Aug 19 09:52:38 <t_s_o> hmm, i wonder how hard it would be to write a python app that would basically download random images from lolcatz and display them on the tablet ever so often...
Aug 19 09:52:50 <gomiam> (summer has these things)
Aug 19 09:53:09 <gomiam> t_s_o: if you don't know Python it will be a bit harder ;-)
Aug 19 09:53:28 <t_s_o> heh, all the more reason to learn i guess ;)
Aug 19 09:53:44 <bef0rd> that can't be hard, dunno what would be the appropiate way to display it
Aug 19 09:53:48 <bef0rd> home screen applet?
Aug 19 09:54:46 <aquatix> bef0rd: lolrus coat of arms http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/popculture/a37e/?cpg=ab
Aug 19 09:55:18 <t_s_o> i was thinking more like some kind of fullscreen app, like a digital pictureframe
Aug 19 09:55:38 <t_s_o> so that one could just put the tablet on a desk, plugged into the charger ;)
Aug 19 09:55:56 <bef0rd> and let the lulz begin
Aug 19 09:56:14 <XTL> Screensaver
Aug 19 09:57:48 <bef0rd> aquatix, heh they stole lolrus bucket :(
Aug 19 10:34:21 <Dazza> hi ppl
Aug 19 10:34:48 <Dazza> hi ppl
Aug 19 10:34:52 <Dazza> hows tricks?
Aug 19 10:35:39 <bef0rd> hi
Aug 19 10:35:57 <Dazza> howdy
Aug 19 10:36:55 <bef0rd> great, how about you?
Aug 19 11:25:42 <lcuk> meh
Aug 19 11:29:22 <Khertan> hey ... do you have see the intel wireless display project ?
Aug 19 11:29:34 <Khertan> it s look like the nokia nobounds projects
Aug 19 11:29:41 <Khertan> s/projects/project
Aug 19 11:30:01 <lcuk> Khertan, no, but does it require an additional computer still?
Aug 19 11:30:26 <lcuk> (mind you, there are thin client samsung lcd monitors now (which run linux)
Aug 19 11:35:11 <Khertan> lcuk: really ? do you have a link for this client samsung lcd monitors ?
Aug 19 11:36:33 <jott> Khertan: you could also get a asus eee box, they include a vesa mount :)
Aug 19 11:37:43 <lcuk> Khertan, http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=509V&tduid=b6a97dd90dc0776e1cb6e9d557c02491
Aug 19 11:38:21 <lcuk> or you could hack an n8x0 add a fresnel lens and have fun
Aug 19 11:41:40 <jott> i guess you get something faster and cheaper with the asus thingy :)
Aug 19 11:43:05 <XTL> I wish you could get fresnel lenses from somewhere
Aug 19 11:43:29 <XTL> I could probably use some
Aug 19 11:45:38 <Khertan> fresnel lenses ? what is it ?
Aug 19 11:46:11 <lbt> very nasty way of magnifying a screen...
Aug 19 11:46:20 <Eloi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_lens ;)
Aug 19 11:46:53 <lbt> afternoon all :)
Aug 19 11:46:55 <Eloi> Khertan: have you ever seen one of these "game boy" magnifier lens kit? that's a fresnel lens
Aug 19 11:47:04 <Khertan> hum ... lol
Aug 19 11:48:06 <Khertan> this work really well for lighthouse
Aug 19 11:48:15 <Khertan> but for display ... hum
Aug 19 11:48:47 <lardman> they are just very flat
Aug 19 11:49:00 <crashanddie> Now how good is that
Aug 19 11:49:02 <lardman> you get them in things like atlases - they can be almost paper thin
Aug 19 11:49:10 <crashanddie> Symbian called for a job interview, and I haven't even sent them my CV !
Aug 19 11:49:16 <lardman> and to stick on the back windows of cars
Aug 19 11:49:59 <aquatix> crashanddie: whoa
Aug 19 11:50:00 <XTL> Flat and light lenses
Aug 19 11:50:20 <XTL> Would be great. Not optically, but for directing light.
Aug 19 11:50:54 <crashanddie> hmm, my n810 ran out of battery tonight...
Aug 19 11:51:01 <crashanddie> I unhooked it from the charger around 2AM :/
Aug 19 11:51:52 <lcuk> you left it wardialing
Aug 19 11:52:28 <crashanddie> lcuk, it would seem that spam script you wrote, that uses the Maemo.org database to send my CVs is bloody awesome !
Aug 19 11:52:58 * lcuk wonders when he wrote that
Aug 19 11:53:50 <lcuk> why wont hotels let me  book the nights i want \@/
Aug 19 11:54:32 * lcuk will have to do some searching tonight
Aug 19 11:54:36 <lbt> they are worried about their bacon supplies...
Aug 19 11:55:15 <lcuk> yer, lardman has already pre-booked an entire pig for himself
Aug 19 11:55:39 <lardman> lcuk: yeah, but it's not got a hotel room :p
Aug 19 11:56:02 <lcuk> lardman, you sharing?
Aug 19 11:56:07 <lardman> nope
Aug 19 11:56:09 <lbt> that's it takes a lot longer to smoke a pig - did you ask for a smoking room?
Aug 19 11:56:16 <lcuk> spider-pig, spider-pig does whatever a spider-pig does
Aug 19 11:56:20 <lardman> not sure what kind of bed I've got either
Aug 19 11:56:24 <lardman> will have to check
Aug 19 11:56:35 <lbt> footprints on the ceiling..
Aug 19 11:56:37 <lardman> all this abuse :P
Aug 19 11:56:41 * XTL doesn't go there
Aug 19 11:57:12 <lcuk> well we have finally sorted out the pennies and getting round to arranging a room for the summit :( gonna have to do some extensive searching tonight cos the missus says its not looking good
Aug 19 11:57:24 <lardman> you both coming?
Aug 19 11:57:29 <lcuk> no
Aug 19 11:57:42 <lcuk> but she had some time this morning to help arrange
Aug 19 11:58:37 * lcuk wishes the world economy ran on bacon
Aug 19 11:58:59 <lcuk> "i'd like a room please"   "that will be 24 rashers a night"
Aug 19 11:58:59 <lbt> it doesn't?
Aug 19 11:59:11 <lbt> then you'd have to give it away
Aug 19 11:59:19 <lbt> and just get bacon crispies as change
Aug 19 11:59:25 <lcuk> lardman, you said something yesterday but i didnt understand it
Aug 19 11:59:27 <crashanddie> "Your search for `junior C++ london' returned: Senior Programme Manager - Public Sector / Integration - Cardiff"
Aug 19 11:59:39 <lcuk> :D london expansion plans
Aug 19 11:59:56 * crashanddie mumbles as he walks off to the kitchen
Aug 19 12:00:00 <lcuk> lbt, are you comin to the summit?
Aug 19 12:00:08 <lbt> no
Aug 19 12:00:22 <lcuk> and why not.. ?
Aug 19 12:00:24 <crashanddie> I've been thinking, the Summit seems plausible, but I don't think I'll be able to catch OSiM
Aug 19 12:00:31 <Khertan> last time i made a search on monster with 20km around option ... it give me a list with switzerland based jobs
Aug 19 12:00:33 <lbt> haven't been involved for that long
Aug 19 12:00:45 <lardman> lcuk: what was that?
Aug 19 12:00:52 <crashanddie> lbt, neither have lcuk or me
Aug 19 12:00:52 <lcuk> khertan, french KM are different to everywhere else :P
Aug 19 12:01:10 <lbt> I'd like to go next time
Aug 19 12:01:12 <Khertan> wiki.maemo.org is in holiday ?
Aug 19 12:01:15 <lcuk> crashanddie, i think im just comin up to term now - almost 9 months
Aug 19 12:01:25 <crashanddie> shit
Aug 19 12:01:26 <crashanddie> you're right
Aug 19 12:01:28 <lbt> just timing wise I came in later to the community
Aug 19 12:01:43 <lcuk> dunno lardman, lemme see if i can find it - i saw it flashing didnt understand it and by the time i asked you were gone
Aug 19 12:02:24 <lardman> am going to find some lunch now, ask and I'll reply when I get back
Aug 19 12:02:24 <crashanddie> lcuk, oh god, times flies by... I remember the days when we were young and unknowing... We would question the happenings around us, demanding for explanation, but all we got, was... http://www.maemo.org
Aug 19 12:03:11 <zapppp> does someone know why I get this GtkWarning: gtk_tree_model_filter_row_has_child_toggled?
Aug 19 12:03:31 <crashanddie> do you have any kids in it ?
Aug 19 12:03:34 <zapppp> I can't figure out what's causing the warning
Aug 19 12:03:54 <crashanddie> when do you get this ? What are you trying to do that raises this warning ?
Aug 19 12:04:18 <crashanddie> because basically, just debug your program to see exactly when this warning is raised, and you should understand what's happening
Aug 19 12:04:59 <lcuk> lardman, "lardman	I just installed openlierox (spelling - worms clone), liqbase demo and some graphical du display"
Aug 19 12:05:17 <Khertan> oh ... someone know loic minier ?
Aug 19 12:05:47 <crashanddie> nope
Aug 19 12:05:47 <lcuk> ahhhhh it makes sense now, you were having bug troubles
Aug 19 12:06:09 <lardman> lcuk: ah ok,
Aug 19 12:06:17 <lardman> lcuk: yeah, micro-font
Aug 19 12:06:20 <lcuk> did you solve it by the way
Aug 19 12:07:01 <lardman> nah, have been busy
Aug 19 12:07:29 <lcuk> as always, speaking of which, ive got some advice notes which need taking care of
Aug 19 12:07:40 <lcuk> bbl
Aug 19 12:07:40 <lardman> have fun, bbiab
Aug 19 12:08:03 <Khertan>  	Ubuntu Technical Team Lead for MIDs
Aug 19 12:08:27 <Khertan> i ask because he take the same flight than me for comming back to france
Aug 19 12:22:41 <Khertan> lol there is a patent on how to fast format fat16 and fat32 storage ...http://www.google.com/patents?id=xugIAAAAEBAJ&dq=fat32
Aug 19 12:23:08 <crashanddie> Khertan, ooooh, you gonna get jiggy jiggy with an Ubuntu TL eh ;)
Aug 19 12:24:48 <Khertan> jiggy jiggy ?
Aug 19 12:25:45 <crashanddie> tu vas le sucer pour obtenir un taff? :D
Aug 19 12:26:16 <crashanddie> :-) O=====B
Aug 19 12:26:30 <crashanddie> :-o=====B
Aug 19 12:26:40 <Khertan> pfffff
Aug 19 12:26:42 <crashanddie> 8-O===B
Aug 19 12:26:42 <Khertan> no comment
Aug 19 12:26:52 <crashanddie> x-0B
Aug 19 12:26:59 <Khertan> tu sais je taff deja hein ... suis pas a la rue
Aug 19 12:27:17 <crashanddie> rholalala, te vexes pas lol
Aug 19 12:27:35 <Khertan> je cherche juste quelques chose en teletravail ou plus pres de chez moi
Aug 19 12:27:37 <crashanddie> moi je suis quasiment à la rue :D
Aug 19 12:27:53 <Khertan> tu t'es pas expatrié a londre ?
Aug 19 12:27:56 <crashanddie> si
Aug 19 12:28:01 <Khertan> ah bah voila :)
Aug 19 12:28:02 <crashanddie> j'y suis
Aug 19 12:28:12 <crashanddie> mais sans travail, j'vais pas durer longtemps :D
Aug 19 12:28:23 <Khertan> tu cherche dans quoi ?
Aug 19 12:28:26 <crashanddie> ...
Aug 19 12:28:52 <crashanddie> la réanimation et reproduction de dictateurs de XXe siècle à nos jours
Aug 19 12:29:09 <Khertan> ah ... euh faut venir en france dans ce cas
Aug 19 12:29:14 <crashanddie> MDR
Aug 19 12:29:18 <Khertan> c'est au gout du jour
Aug 19 12:29:22 <aquatix> -ELANGPARSEERROR
Aug 19 12:29:33 <aquatix> [good to test my french though]
Aug 19 12:29:42 <crashanddie> pourquoi, Sarko et LePen sont parti faire un barbeuc ensemble ?
Aug 19 12:29:46 <Khertan> au fait aussi des etudes de croisement entre nains et girafe ?
Aug 19 12:29:52 <Khertan> s/au/on
Aug 19 12:30:05 <crashanddie> anyway
Aug 19 12:30:19 <crashanddie> enough for the ad-lib, I'm off to get some cancer in these lungs !
Aug 19 12:30:25 <aquatix> eek
Aug 19 12:30:34 <aquatix> crashanddie: well, erm, have fun? :)
Aug 19 12:30:49 <Khertan> aquatix: ;)
Aug 19 12:32:38 <dbbddbdb> Hi!  Is it normal that Diablo updates repo asks a password (401)?
Aug 19 12:40:06 <XTL> dbbddbdb: When using directly or from the tablet sw manager?
Aug 19 12:40:29 <dbbddbdb> XTL: when visiting it with a browser or trying to apt-get update.
Aug 19 12:40:53 <XTL> I don't think the tablet's apt should complain but otherwise it's so by design afaik
Aug 19 12:42:51 <dbbddbdb> I can't use the Hildon packet manager because after some update (or maybe something else, I don't know yet) my N800 hangs before launching the GUI.
Aug 19 12:43:29 <dbbddbdb> I am trying to chroot there from a backup OS (on MTD) and update it manually, but the update repo is 401-protected
Aug 19 12:45:42 <profoX`> can anyone with a Nokia N8x0 confirm whether the device contains an integrated PowerVR chip or not, which is just "not in use"?
Aug 19 12:46:14 <crashanddie> profoX`, it's already been confirmed numerous number of times
Aug 19 12:46:29 <profoX`> ok sorry :)
Aug 19 12:46:40 <kulve> once a day
Aug 19 12:46:51 <kulve> yes, there is the hw, no, there is no driver
Aug 19 12:52:32 <jott> once a day? once an hour! :p
Aug 19 12:54:03 <aquatix> once an hour? once every 10 lines!
Aug 19 12:54:08 * aquatix runs
Aug 19 12:54:46 <crashanddie> once every 10 lines ? Once every ten words !
Aug 19 12:55:13 <aquatix> once every ten words? it's being talked about *the whole damn time*
Aug 19 12:55:27 <aquatix> what is a powervr chip?
Aug 19 12:55:30 <aquatix> ;)
Aug 19 12:56:31 <XTL> Rule #1 is, you don't talk about the powervr chip
Aug 19 12:57:54 <crashanddie> The second rule of #maemo is, YOU DO NOT TALK about the powervr chip
Aug 19 12:59:17 <mikkov_> Third rule: if you are new, you HAVE to write the driver
Aug 19 12:59:29 <crashanddie> no, that's rule number 8
Aug 19 12:59:35 <crashanddie> #3: If someone says stop, battery dies, or goes limp, the conversation is over
Aug 19 13:00:20 <crashanddie> #4: Only two guys talk at the same time
Aug 19 13:00:29 <crashanddie> #5: One topic at a time
Aug 19 13:00:40 <crashanddie> #6: No shirts, no shoes (we code in our underwear)
Aug 19 13:00:52 <crashanddie> #7: Flamewars will go on as long as they have to
Aug 19 13:00:58 <aquatix> underwear? what underwear?
Aug 19 13:01:11 <crashanddie> #8: If this is your first night at #maemo, you have to code !
Aug 19 13:03:03 <crashanddie> anyway, can anyone help me troubleshooting why scratchbox can't access the interwebz ?
Aug 19 13:03:13 <XTL> That would actually be a pretty good tos
Aug 19 13:03:38 <jott> crashanddie: make your resolv.conf shine? :)
Aug 19 13:03:56 <crashanddie> jott, it does, in many bright colours, but especially the OpenDNS ones
Aug 19 13:04:17 <jott> what does not work then?
Aug 19 13:04:50 <jott> as resolv.conf in the target is the most common problem i guess :P
Aug 19 13:05:09 <crashanddie> well... cat /etc/resolv.conf
Aug 19 13:05:09 <crashanddie> nameserver 208.67.222.222
Aug 19 13:05:09 <crashanddie> nameserver 207.67.220.220
Aug 19 13:05:28 <crashanddie> but
Aug 19 13:05:31 <crashanddie> wget www.google.com
Aug 19 13:05:32 <crashanddie> Resolving www.google.com... failed: Host not found.
Aug 19 13:06:53 <XTL> how about host www.google.com 208.67.222.222
Aug 19 13:07:18 <crashanddie> host: command not found :P
Aug 19 13:07:40 <XTL> Kind of guessed. But for dns debugging, dns utils are handy
Aug 19 13:08:04 <XTL> See if it's the resolver or the connection to the server was my thought
Aug 19 13:08:07 <crashanddie> works "aok" on my laptop
Aug 19 13:09:02 <jott> crashanddie: sure you checked /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf ? :p
Aug 19 13:09:37 <crashanddie> oh
Aug 19 13:09:49 <XTL> "oh" is always a good sign :-D
Aug 19 13:10:22 <crashanddie> Resolving www.google.co.uk... 208.69.34.230, 208.69.34.231
Aug 19 13:10:24 <crashanddie> cheers :)
Aug 19 13:10:29 <liri> there were a couple of applications for showing the ip address as well as system info (cpu/memory) but I lost the links
Aug 19 13:10:50 <crashanddie> liri, homecpu, homeip, and the like ?
Aug 19 13:10:51 <jott> itseasywhenyouknowhow
Aug 19 13:11:20 <liri> crashanddie: yeah, any of those is written in python?
Aug 19 13:11:26 <crashanddie> all of them
Aug 19 13:11:38 <crashanddie> jott, just doesn't make sense that there is /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf, and a /etc/resolv.conf in the sb environment
Aug 19 13:11:50 <liri> crashanddie: could you give me the links? I searched garage.maemo.org with no luck
Aug 19 13:11:52 <jott> sb is a big hack :)
Aug 19 13:12:01 <crashanddie> liri, they're in the app manager
Aug 19 13:12:20 <crashanddie> liri, they are CPU hogs though, they'll plunder your battery without regrets
Aug 19 13:12:36 <crashanddie> jott, one big ugly hack :P
Aug 19 13:12:48 <liri> crashanddie: I'm interested at taking a look at their sources, so a website for these would be better
Aug 19 13:12:50 <jott> one is supposed to be used by the target tools the other for the transparent tools .
Aug 19 13:13:25 <jott> still it could use /etc/resolv.conf in the first palce ;)
Aug 19 13:16:59 <liri> ahh they are all a product of Khertan work :)
Aug 19 13:17:21 <liri> though I see no link to the source
Aug 19 13:21:06 <jott> liri: it's python so chances are not that bad that it contains the source  :)
Aug 19 13:22:05 <liri> jott: yeah obviously, I wasn't trying to say anything else, except that it's not easily available on the website, rather it's packed as a deb.
Aug 19 13:22:12 <||cw> python generalt is just source, but it can be compiled
Aug 19 13:22:43 <liri> jott: I guess I'm used to watch software sources via svn/cvs http browsing so I was expecting that or a direct link to the python code.
Aug 19 13:22:43 <jott> yep
Aug 19 13:23:10 <jott> yeah wouldn't be that bad.
Aug 19 13:31:21 <bef0rd> jott, thanks for that /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf hint too :P
Aug 19 13:31:48 <crashanddie> jott++
Aug 19 13:31:54 <crashanddie> ~jott++
Aug 19 13:32:31 <jott> heh should be put in some FAQ as it seems :)
Aug 19 13:33:01 <jott> question one of the faq would most certainly be about powervr :)
Aug 19 13:34:15 <jott> hm let's see if everything falls apart when i push a newer cdbs to extras-devel :)
Aug 19 13:35:14 <aquatix> canola is still at beta9?
Aug 19 13:35:28 <jott> building a chain of dependencies is really awkward with something like the builder :(
Aug 19 13:36:18 <lcuk> why can't we talk about powervr?
Aug 19 13:36:47 <lardman> go powervr!
Aug 19 13:37:47 <lcuk> well its go alright, its got up, walked out of the box, through the door, down the road and into the pub for a pint and some bacon nibbles
Aug 19 13:38:06 <lardman> has it come back?
Aug 19 13:38:19 <lardman> and is it in a fit state to use?
Aug 19 13:38:22 <lcuk> i think  it drunk so much it forgot where it lived
Aug 19 13:38:39 <lcuk> it was last seen trying to suckle on the side of an ipod classic
Aug 19 13:38:47 <jott> hmmmm is arm building broken on the builder!?
Aug 19 13:39:03 <jott> last two builds did not produce arm ...
Aug 19 13:39:04 <XTL> what good is a builder with a broken arm?
Aug 19 13:39:25 <lardman> lcuk: oh well, homefully the beer compass will kick in and it will find its way to us eventually
Aug 19 13:39:34 <lardman> s/homefully/hopefully
Aug 19 13:39:44 <jott> it can't write nice packages with a broken arm :)
Aug 19 13:39:47 <lcuk> :)  i agree
Aug 19 13:40:18 <lcuk> if we cannot use the builder to make arms what chance have we of making the rest of the fembots?
Aug 19 13:41:02 <lardman> it's far too early for that level of humour!
Aug 19 13:41:16 <lcuk> lol speaking of which: i saw this earlier http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4557935.ece
Aug 19 13:42:11 <liri> I read google reader provide an aggregated account subscription, is that right?
Aug 19 13:43:13 <lardman> I wonder if the voice is synthetic too...?
Aug 19 13:43:13 <lcuk> bbiab
Aug 19 13:43:45 <lcuk> dunno but i wouldnt have known she was fake without bein told: passed uncanny valley
Aug 19 13:44:00 <lardman> yeah, very impressive
Aug 19 13:44:30 <lardman> they didn't specify whether they used the wireframe they recorded, or if they extracted the movements and applied it to something completely different though
Aug 19 13:45:09 <jott> who is actually in charge for the builder?
Aug 19 13:45:15 <sp3000> I get the strangest errors using tablet-encode from a shell script
Aug 19 13:45:46 <sp3000> like someone is going and corrupting command line arguments here and there
Aug 19 13:46:35 <Khertan> use the --force parameters
Aug 19 13:47:01 <Khertan> and if it don't work try with --great-force
Aug 19 13:47:03 <XTL> I think she was esily fake because the face looked pasted on.
Aug 19 13:47:13 <XTL> It was in the wrong place or subtly the wrong shape.
Aug 19 13:47:26 <XTL> But that looks like a small modelling error. The movements are just uncannily real.
Aug 19 13:47:43 <XTL> Seems almost a shame to have that kind of thing spoiling the effect in a demo.
Aug 19 13:47:58 <XTL> But maybe it's just me
Aug 19 13:49:42 <lardman> RealPlayer videos are so shoddy I didn't even notice
Aug 19 13:50:03 <Stskeeps> god.. the days southpark episodes were distributed in rp, heh
Aug 19 13:54:50 <jott> is ed bartosh on vacation too? :)
Aug 19 13:55:55 <lionel__> Does anyone know why flasher-3.0 (running on Ubuntu 7.10) would fail when trying to put an OS 2008 image onto an N800 but still succeed when putting OS 2007 images onto it?
Aug 19 13:56:15 <timeless> planet doesn't seem to update much
Aug 19 13:56:19 <lionel__> The error I'm getting is: Write failed after 0 bytes
Aug 19 13:56:19 <lionel__> usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable
Aug 19 13:56:32 <timeless> ed responded to a phone call we made w/in the past 6 days...
Aug 19 13:57:06 <lionel__> P.S. I've already tried the workaround of removing all the memory cards.
Aug 19 13:58:50 <jott> timeless: so you think it's ok to write him about the broken builder? (and get reasonable response times..)
Aug 19 13:59:19 * timeless shrugs
Aug 19 13:59:21 <timeless> probably
Aug 19 13:59:43 <Khertan> are u sure that the builder is broken ?
Aug 19 13:59:53 <timeless> no :)
Aug 19 14:00:00 <jott> no :)
Aug 19 14:00:02 <Khertan> my package was build this morning :)
Aug 19 14:00:15 <jott> i just concluded that two different packages in row failed :)
Aug 19 14:00:18 <timeless> andre__: ping
Aug 19 14:01:04 <jott> maybe it's my fault..
Aug 19 14:01:15 <jott> mhm
Aug 19 14:01:17 <timeless> andree__: planet's maemo favicon is sucky
Aug 19 14:01:23 <timeless> can you fix it to use mine instead? :)
Aug 19 14:01:32 <timeless> same for bugzilla and friends
Aug 19 14:02:13 <Khertan> [2008-08-19 10:25:04] Building mcalendar 0.4.0-1 for target 'maemo-diablo-armel-extras-devel'
Aug 19 14:02:13 <Khertan> [2008-08-19 10:25:49] OK
Aug 19 14:02:51 <jott> Khertan: that does not tell anything :)
Aug 19 14:02:56 <Khertan> yep ...
Aug 19 14:02:59 <jott> (of the state of NOW :)
Aug 19 14:03:00 <Khertan> i know :)
Aug 19 14:03:15 <jott> any idea why the builder would not do armel builds?
Aug 19 14:06:57 <jott> aaah
Aug 19 14:08:33 * jott gives it another try
Aug 19 14:11:11 <andre____> timeless, are the four white corners in that favicon by purpose? see e.g. https://garage.maemo.org/ in FF3 (non-white background of favicon)
Aug 19 14:11:14 <jott> what's the difference between arch "all" and "any"?
Aug 19 14:11:27 <andre____> bbl
Aug 19 14:13:28 <jott> ah all is "platform independend"
Aug 19 14:15:04 <timeless> andre____: mine doesn't have corners
Aug 19 14:15:08 <timeless> it has transpareny
Aug 19 14:15:19 <timeless> the shape is round
Aug 19 14:15:31 <timeless> one has to assume they wanted transparency
Aug 19 14:15:45 <timeless> i could ask marketing, but i suspect they left for the day
Aug 19 14:16:59 <timeless> does the rss thing on maemo.org work?
Aug 19 14:17:07 <timeless> i pushed a new article to my feed earlier
Aug 19 14:17:12 <timeless> and another planet found it..
Aug 19 14:26:19 <Khertan> timeless > mine don't have transparency
Aug 19 14:27:17 <jott> Khertan: mxr.maemo.org has a transparent one.
Aug 19 14:27:24 <Khertan> jott > one made only for the current target, and the other for all target
Aug 19 14:27:30 <jott> yep
Aug 19 14:27:34 <jott> i gathered that
Aug 19 14:28:02 <Khertan> jott: mxr one is good :)
Aug 19 14:28:22 <Khertan> and the mxr.maemo.org is really good !
Aug 19 14:28:23 <Khertan> :)
Aug 19 14:28:51 <Khertan> 'Don't use a web-crawler to try and download all of these pages; the CGIs will feed you several gigabytes worth of generated HTML!'
Aug 19 14:28:53 <Khertan> huhu ...
Aug 19 14:35:58 <bef0rd> hey Khertan, do you know pygtk? :)
Aug 19 14:36:09 <crashanddie> yeah, he's under the shower atm
Aug 19 14:41:28 <bef0rd> heh, ok, trying to figure out something, it should be simple .. I believe
Aug 19 14:46:28 <josef|samba> hi... apparently EAP-PAP isn't supported in the OS2008 wireless code, what can be done for networks which do not offer other mechanisms?
Aug 19 15:04:03 <Khertan> rahahahahah !!!! fucking glade port !
Aug 19 15:13:40 <bef0rd> hmm
Aug 19 15:16:41 <bef0rd> Khertan, can I ask you a pygtk question?
Aug 19 15:18:19 <andre____> timeless, screenshot: http://home.arcor.de/ak-47/tmp/maemo-favicon.png - see the wide corners. but maybe it's FF bug ;-)
Aug 19 15:23:15 <nomis> mhm, in this variant this reminds me on "open embedded"...
Aug 19 15:23:49 <GeneralAntilles> andre____, same thing here in WebKit. :P
Aug 19 15:24:00 <GeneralAntilles> What's with the massive fonts? :P
Aug 19 15:24:10 <andre____> what massive fonts?
Aug 19 15:24:51 <GeneralAntilles> The big ugly ones on your menubar
Aug 19 15:25:25 <andre____> hehe
Aug 19 15:25:38 <andre____> does webkit fix that?
Aug 19 15:27:23 <timeless> andre..
Aug 19 15:27:35 <timeless> the png file is like that
Aug 19 15:27:47 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamnit
Aug 19 15:27:52 <GeneralAntilles> That's the second time I've done that.
Aug 19 15:27:57 <timeless> andre: try mxr.maemo.org
Aug 19 15:27:59 <timeless> it doesn't have those
Aug 19 15:28:05 <GeneralAntilles> Missed commit, hit reassign, then hit commit successfully.
Aug 19 15:28:43 <andre____> timeless, https;//mxr.maemo.org does not work. FF3 only provides background for SSL
Aug 19 15:28:58 <timeless> andre: data:text/html,<body bgcolor=blue><img src="https://garage.maemo.org/favicon.ico">
Aug 19 15:29:21 <timeless> note the white
Aug 19 15:29:27 <andre____> oh no, i'm lazy :-P ok
Aug 19 15:29:32 <timeless> just fix everyone to use the png i made
Aug 19 15:30:15 <timeless> just download http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png to the other servers
Aug 19 15:30:32 <timeless> note that bigger images are actually better
Aug 19 15:30:48 <timeless> because they're used in some places, like shortcuts on XP desktops
Aug 19 15:30:53 <timeless> or in ff3.1 tab switching
Aug 19 15:30:58 <timeless> (ctrl-tab)
Aug 19 15:31:50 <timeless> data:text/html,<body bgcolor=blue><img src="https://garage.maemo.org/favicon.ico"><img src="http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png">
Aug 19 15:31:56 <timeless> for some perspective
Aug 19 15:38:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'm tempted to dupe this and turn the earlier bug into a "Things in Chinook Extras aren't available in Diablo Extras" bug. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3611
Aug 19 15:47:00 <GeneralAntilles> Done.
Aug 19 15:47:15 <Khertan> Wackelkandidat < what does it mean ?
Aug 19 15:49:26 <jott> Khertan: something along "borderline canditate" or "not 100% sure we should consider him"
Aug 19 15:49:49 <jott> not a very common term :)
Aug 19 15:55:42 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Aug 19 15:55:52 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan, I thought you were highlighting somebody again. :P
Aug 19 15:58:05 <Khertan_n810> ? gniééé ?
Aug 19 15:59:38 <Khertan_n810> wie bitte ?
Aug 19 16:00:28 * Jaffa prepares to drop off the network
Aug 19 16:00:39 <Khertan_n810> GeneralAntilles: ?
Aug 19 16:00:59 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan_n810, those stupid
Aug 19 16:01:08 <GeneralAntilles> "GeneralAntilles > Hi there!"
Aug 19 16:01:18 <Khertan_n810> ah :)
Aug 19 16:01:28 <GeneralAntilles> I was thinking Wacheklhandidat was a nick and you were talking to him. :P
Aug 19 16:05:15 <Khertan_n810> GeneralAntilles: ah my german is a bit ... bad
Aug 19 16:06:04 <GAN800> Mine is non-existent.
Aug 19 16:06:26 <Raytray> Auf Wiedersehen is all I've got.
Aug 19 16:06:37 * nomis happily gives out advice on german  :)
Aug 19 16:06:40 <Raytray> And guten tag. Not even sure what that means.
Aug 19 16:06:48 * GAN800 chuckles at the autocomplete terms his tablet picks up.
Aug 19 16:07:12 <nomis> Raytray: "(have a) good day"
Aug 19 16:07:28 <Raytray> Ah.
Aug 19 16:07:40 * Raytray is suprerior to antilles in one more way now. :D
Aug 19 16:07:54 <Raytray> Bleh
Aug 19 16:07:59 <Raytray> I just had to mispell that.
Aug 19 16:14:35 <GAN800> andrewfblack, you think you could tag all the moved itT articles with [[Category:Internet Tablet Talk]]? A lot of them seem a bit . . . questionable, and I'd like to be able to run through them later to delete and revise where appropriate.
Aug 19 16:18:52 <andrewfblack> GAN800 Yeah I can do that
Aug 19 16:19:09 <andrewfblack> GA said to tag them with User is why I started
Aug 19 16:23:17 * GAN800 is GeneralAntilles on an N800
Aug 19 16:23:32 <GAN800> You can tag with both.
Aug 19 16:24:49 <manyoso> which package provides /usr/bin/Xomap on the N810?
Aug 19 16:24:59 <Stskeeps> xserver-omap i think
Aug 19 16:26:32 <andrewfblack> lol ok
Aug 19 16:28:42 <manyoso> Stskeeps: can't find it
Aug 19 16:29:29 <manyoso> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php doesn't list it
Aug 19 16:30:31 <Jaffa> re
Aug 19 16:30:44 <Stskeeps> manyoso: its packaged on the tablet.. use dpkg-extract to get it out or get rotation enabled xomap
Aug 19 16:30:51 <Stskeeps> er, dpkg-repac
Aug 19 16:31:17 <andrewfblack> Hey GAN800 I didn't touch the User page but I can't get it to open on the wiki now not sure if its jut me or not
Aug 19 16:47:58 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, also, the "using OS2008" or "on N800" and specific stuff like that should be removed from the titles.
Aug 19 16:48:26 <GeneralAntilles> "USB Host mode on the N800 using OS 2008" -> "USB host mode"
Aug 19 16:48:37 <GeneralAntilles> Perhaps "USB", even.
Aug 19 16:49:19 <andrewfblack> ok
Aug 19 16:49:57 <andrewfblack> Only way to change hte title will be to delect it and do it again right
Aug 19 16:50:29 <Jaffa_> GeneralAntilles: "USB" should be a general article linking to "USB host mode" and "USB networking", IMHO
Aug 19 16:51:38 <MangoFusion> anyone seen that beagle board?
Aug 19 16:51:53 <MangoFusion> omap with opengl. amazing
Aug 19 16:52:17 <MangoFusion> #include <nit_opengl_joke.h>
Aug 19 16:52:31 <andrewfblack> Jaffa_ so you want a article under User Cat that is just called USB and then under it have links to USB Host Mode, USB Networking and anything else involving USB?
Aug 19 16:53:01 <Jaffa_> andrewfblack: something like that. The top-level article should talk about plugs, capabilities etc. and then link into the two main articles on other subjects.
Aug 19 16:53:11 * Jaffa_ needs to work out how to boot his other self
Aug 19 16:54:06 <andrewfblack> ok, I'll work on that in a little bit for some reason I can't get to the User Category page
Aug 19 16:56:00 <lcuk> jaffa_ you will remain cloned forever, and the good looking version of you will get all the girls leaving you to sit and mope :P
Aug 19 16:56:18 <Jaffa_> lcuk: damn
Aug 19 16:56:43 <lcuk> alternatively, the time lines will fix themselves in a few minutes (unless you have another client still open at work)
Aug 19 16:58:18 <Khertan_n810> hi again ...
Aug 19 16:58:45 <Jaffa_> lcuk: unfortunately irritating bitchx autoflood protected me from nickserv when I wanted help.
Aug 19 16:58:55 <Khertan_n810> someone is motivated to help me to do the best maemo looking contacts applications ?
Aug 19 16:59:25 <henrique_> lcuk: do you use scratchbox to compile liqbase?
Aug 19 16:59:27 <Jaffa_> Khertan_n810: can we have the best offline calendar viewer first, please? :)
Aug 19 16:59:49 <Khertan_n810> Jaffa_: mCalendar is already the best
Aug 19 16:59:49 <lcuk> henrique_, i have been known to, but i prefer direct on device compilation
Aug 19 17:00:15 <Jaffa_> Khertan_n810: it didn't entirely look the best AIUI when I tried it; but I could be misremembering.
Aug 19 17:00:46 <henrique_> lcuk: do you know all the libraries it needs to compile?
Aug 19 17:00:57 <Khertan_n810> Jaffa_: define what u call best AIUI for an calendar viewer
Aug 19 17:01:09 <lcuk> yes, they are in the makefile/debian rules thing
Aug 19 17:01:14 * henrique_ wondering if it is possible to compile it on ubuntu :)
Aug 19 17:01:41 <henrique_> lcuk: thanks
Aug 19 17:01:45 <lcuk> henrique_, :) it has been compiled for a laptop in the past but requires changes
Aug 19 17:03:17 * lcuk knows what those changes are and could feasibly use it on any Xv compatible computer
Aug 19 17:05:45 <henrique_> lcuk: can you tell me what I need to change?
Aug 19 17:07:43 <Khertan_n810> Jaffa_: have u ve tryed the last version of mCalendar ?
Aug 19 17:07:50 <Khertan_n810> 0.4.0
Aug 19 17:11:41 <Jaffa__> Khertan_n810: reinstalling it. I think my issues were around multiple calendars and/or a nice day overview
Aug 19 17:12:03 <Jaffa__> Khertan_n810: got a bug tracker I could stick some comments in now I've got it back?
Aug 19 17:12:06 <Khertan_n810> hum yep multiple calendar isn t managed yet
Aug 19 17:12:38 <lcuk> henrique_, i could but since you haven't confirmed if its gonna work for you on this device is it really worth my time discussing multi platform stuff right now?
Aug 19 17:13:58 <Jaffa__> Khertan_n810: the UI seems to consist of a large number of buttons showing lots of similar information (back/forward would be nicer as non normal buttons IMHO). And I just got: {'status': 400, 'body': 'Invalid request URI.', 'reason': 'Bad Request'} when syncing. Would like automated syncing when connected to WLAN; basically something a bit like the content area of Google Calendar but offline
Aug 19 17:14:36 * Jaffa__ has just worked out the buttons at the bottom switch between day/week/month view but it's done in a way different to any other calendar.
Aug 19 17:15:12 <Khertan_n810> why so huge button ... to be easy too use without stylus
Aug 19 17:15:16 <aquatix> Jaffa__: if you keep getting that error, you might want to throw away the db
Aug 19 17:15:20 <henrique_> lcuk: right, forget about that then :)
Aug 19 17:15:43 <henrique_> lcuk: I think I can use scratchbox, let me try
Aug 19 17:15:46 <Jaffa__> Khertan_n810: that I've got no problem with
Aug 19 17:15:47 <Khertan_n810> and why no view like google calendar, i think it doesn't fit in a such so small screen that nit have
Aug 19 17:16:10 <Khertan_n810> i ve tryed gpe and date ... and i found it useless
Aug 19 17:16:15 <Jaffa__> aquatix: ok, worryingly another sync gives 'body': 'Attendees can only update their responsestatus for recurring event.s You cannot update something else'
Aug 19 17:16:21 <lcuk> henrique_, it will compile properly in scratchbox, whether or not the emulator will work for actually running it is another thing (emulator isnt "full" emulation of hardware/libraries?
Aug 19 17:16:24 <Khertan_n810> but it s a point of view of course
Aug 19 17:16:28 <Jaffa__> Suffice to say, I now don't trust it with my calendar information.
Aug 19 17:16:36 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 19 17:16:42 <Jaffa__> Which may be harsh, but can I afford to take the risk? ;-(
Aug 19 17:16:50 <Khertan_n810> yep no prob
Aug 19 17:16:55 <henrique_> lcuk: just compiling it is enough
Aug 19 17:17:15 <Jaffa__> Khertan_n810: a compressed view of Google Calendar; or at least the pretty colours would be nice :)
Aug 19 17:17:21 <lcuk> yes, i spent the first couple of months building with scratchbox, i only moved onto my device because vmware was annoying as feck
Aug 19 17:17:37 <Jaffa__> I've got calendars syncrhonised from Outlook, one for personal, one for family.
Aug 19 17:17:39 <Khertan_n810> Jaffa_: hum ...
Aug 19 17:17:52 <lcuk> and it feels more logical in my mind compiling on native than in an emulated emulated thing
Aug 19 17:17:57 <henrique_> lcuk: same here, virtualbox sucks as well
Aug 19 17:18:13 <Khertan_n810> at this time only default is sync
Aug 19 17:18:38 <lcuk> has anyone seen my lighter?
Aug 19 17:19:18 <Jaffa__> Khertan_n810: big pluses would be automated download; multiple calendars; colours and a bit of visual flair on the buttons, given there're so many. (Seems odd that syncronising is so finger unfriendly given the largeness of everything else ;-))
Aug 19 17:19:42 <Khertan_n810> yep ...
Aug 19 17:19:52 <Khertan_n810> auto sync is planned
Aug 19 17:20:10 <lcuk> Khertan, put extra automatic backing up when you do that please
Aug 19 17:20:11 <Khertan_n810> i just need to found this fucking alarmd python doc
Aug 19 17:20:16 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 19 17:20:18 <Jaffa__> Khertan_n810: and definitely not in a battery draining way ;-)
Aug 19 17:20:32 <Khertan_n810> Jaffa_: of course
Aug 19 17:20:42 <Jaffa__> Khertan_n810: following aquatix's advice, where *is* the db? ~/.mc* no workee
Aug 19 17:21:03 <Khertan_n810> you can already sync it with a cron by launching it 'mcalendar -s'
Aug 19 17:21:09 <lcuk> is it a database or an ical file?
Aug 19 17:21:18 <Khertan_n810> a sqlite
Aug 19 17:21:20 <Khertan_n810> db
Aug 19 17:21:36 <Khertan_n810> /home/user/.mPim/mcalendar.db
Aug 19 17:21:41 <Jaffa__> Ah.
Aug 19 17:21:42 <Jaffa__> Ta
Aug 19 17:22:08 <Jaffa__> ~/.mPIM actually [for the logs]
Aug 19 17:22:49 <lcuk> what do i do if i want to store user information for multiple operators on maemo - i cant just use ~ because its always the same
Aug 19 17:23:20 <lcuk> if i *do* use ~ then move to another platform it will b0rken
Aug 19 17:23:38 <jott> lcuk: just buy another device ;)
Aug 19 17:23:44 <jott> or ask nokia for one :P
Aug 19 17:24:13 <jott> say yours fell into the toilet and you accidently flushed it.
Aug 19 17:24:17 <lcuk> :) not so far from the truth jott, but i want to be able to pickup a device and have user profiles within liqbase
Aug 19 17:24:29 <lcuk> ie "hello, who are you?   [gary]  [tracy]  [new user]"
Aug 19 17:24:50 <lcuk> take picture and info and have sketch library etc
Aug 19 17:24:52 <Jaffa__> lcuk: implement a user switching service which liqbase uses but others can too
Aug 19 17:25:04 <jott> lcuk: easiest solutin: liqos :P
Aug 19 17:25:04 <lcuk> other users can be added from remote with the irc chan side of things
Aug 19 17:26:08 <lcuk> window manager / dekstop / sugar maybe, but not a full os :P
Aug 19 17:26:37 <jott> liquestop :)
Aug 19 17:27:26 <lcuk> heh - i was reading throguh all the classes liqapp  liqscreen liqcamera liqfile   and thinking i best have cleaned my teeth
Aug 19 17:28:10 <jott> libliqlist
Aug 19 17:28:13 <lcuk> http://www.mahalo.com/Tongue_Hotel_Girl
Aug 19 17:28:51 <lcuk> i started going throguh everything last night and planning a rename and cleanup to make it a proper library :)
Aug 19 17:29:23 <lcuk> but i still dont know how to handle multiple aplications asking for the overlay
Aug 19 17:35:56 <Mace_> dpkg: error processing fuse-utils (--remove):
Aug 19 17:35:59 <Mace_> wtf
Aug 19 17:36:16 <timeless> you can manually walk through postrm scripts :)
Aug 19 17:36:22 <timeless> and then manually remove the meta data
Aug 19 17:41:47 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, you don't need to get to the category page to add a page
Aug 19 17:41:57 <GeneralAntilles> Just add the categories you want a page to be in at the bottom of the page
Aug 19 17:42:16 <andrewfblack> yeah I know but I cna't even view the Categories: User page now
Aug 19 17:42:28 <GeneralAntilles> So, edit USB host mode, go down to the bottom and add [[Category:User]]\n[[Category:Internet Tablet Talk]]
Aug 19 17:43:03 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Users
Aug 19 17:43:08 <GeneralAntilles> Er, "Users"
Aug 19 17:43:48 <andrewfblack> loading for me now sumetimes wiki.maemo.org and my work computer don't get along
Aug 19 17:45:08 <andrewfblack> I took [[Category:User]] off USB host mode I think jaffa wants all the usb stuff under a page called USB then link to other
Aug 19 17:48:31 <GeneralAntilles> It still goes in that category, though.
Aug 19 17:56:01 <GeneralAntilles> The old midgard wiki is seriously polluting the google results.
Aug 19 18:00:19 <MakeGho> uhm, anyone remember how I get the variable & function listing of an object?
Aug 19 18:00:23 <MakeGho> err, sorry
Aug 19 18:02:23 <andrewfblack> GeneralAntillies if I put the Category:User tag in both the USB page and all the USB pages doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose
Aug 19 18:05:59 <GeneralAntilles> Uh?
Aug 19 18:06:03 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Aug 19 18:06:06 <GeneralAntilles> Category:Users
Aug 19 18:06:14 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode
Aug 19 18:07:03 <andrewfblack> so whats the purpose of the page USB that links to all the pages about USB host mode and USB Networking
Aug 19 18:07:15 <crashanddie> shit I'm drunk
Aug 19 18:07:34 <andrewfblack> I thought purpose of the USB page was to keep from cluttering up the Category:User page
Aug 19 18:19:45 * lcuk is trying to find a hotel
Aug 19 18:20:24 <GeneralAntilles> Man these itT wiki articles are arbitrary.
Aug 19 18:20:35 <rm_you> arbitrary like your mother!
Aug 19 18:20:56 * rm_you goes and stands facing the corner
Aug 19 18:21:28 <GeneralAntilles> Talk about zero quality-control, too.
Aug 19 18:23:59 <lcuk> can i make google maps show me hotels nearby?
Aug 19 18:24:10 <rm_you> maybe?
Aug 19 18:24:12 <rm_you> where are you?
Aug 19 18:25:09 <lcuk> rm_you, im trying to find somewhere for the summit
Aug 19 18:25:27 <GeneralAntilles> hotels near c-base
Aug 19 18:25:33 <rm_you> ah.
Aug 19 18:26:00 <lcuk> ive managed it now i tihnk
Aug 19 18:26:05 <GeneralAntilles> http://maps.maporama.com/idl/accor/drawsa.aspx?xml=common&xsl=liste_hotel&Lang=En&MD_height=265&MD_width=372&_rawxml=1&MD_scale=0.00013333&SA_config=1&SiteOrigine=ALL&GC_address=Rungestra%C3%9Fe+20&GC_city=Berlin&GC_zip=&GC_country=DE
Aug 19 18:26:10 <GeneralAntilles> From the wiki
Aug 19 18:26:12 <lcuk> everytime i searched it removed the c-base moarker
Aug 19 18:50:20 <Andrewfblack|Awa> I didn't even move over most of the itT Wiki articles becuase they didn't seem worth moving
Aug 19 18:58:22 <lcuk> question regarding summit hotels.  quim has given a budget based on an amount per night for 5 nights. i cannot find a hotel in range for this rate, however i am staying for only 3 nights - has anyone else gone over the nightly budget ?
Aug 19 19:03:54 <rm_you> i'm staying with jott <_<
Aug 19 19:04:02 <lcuk> good for you :D
Aug 19 19:04:08 <rm_you> so, no :P
Aug 19 19:05:02 <lcuk> tsk tsk, you 2 could have made some money - get an invoice from jott
Aug 19 19:05:07 <lcuk> and share the money
Aug 19 19:05:21 <rm_you> lol
Aug 19 19:05:25 <rm_you> we thought about it <_<
Aug 19 19:05:34 <jott> who said my flat is free :P
Aug 19 19:05:38 <rm_you> hehe
Aug 19 19:05:43 <rm_you> may still have time to do it :P
Aug 19 19:05:44 <lcuk> 'otel Jott is 4*
Aug 19 19:05:54 <jott> it even has free wlan :)
Aug 19 19:05:56 <jott> erm
Aug 19 19:05:58 <rm_you> :P
Aug 19 19:06:02 <lcuk> but you have to do your own washing up
Aug 19 19:06:03 <jott> i mean only 20 bucks per night ;)
Aug 19 19:06:15 <lcuk> and make his breakfast
Aug 19 19:06:30 <rm_you> lol
Aug 19 19:06:36 <rm_you> i make good omelettes :P
Aug 19 19:06:36 <lcuk> jott would be more like basil fawlty
Aug 19 19:06:42 <rm_you> or fried egg sandwiches
Aug 19 19:06:48 <rm_you> or poached eggs on toast
Aug 19 19:06:49 <jott> bacon :)
Aug 19 19:06:54 <rm_you> or basically anything that involves eggs :P
Aug 19 19:07:00 <jott> nothing else :)
Aug 19 19:07:08 <rm_you> well, we're talking breakfast here :P
Aug 19 19:07:23 <rm_you> I don't really do pancakes, and cereal is kind of... well, that doesnt count as cooking
Aug 19 19:07:26 <rm_you> so yeah.
Aug 19 19:13:33 <pupnik> more OMAP3 porn:  close up of pandora board (1080i, 720p etc) http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=43653&st=15#
Aug 19 19:21:58 <RST38h> board != product
Aug 19 19:32:53 <pupnik> you gotta admit it's running finalburn smooth
Aug 19 19:37:49 <RST38h> yes, but you gotta have a product
Aug 19 19:37:56 <RST38h> one that sells, too
Aug 19 19:38:26 <GAN800> The interesting part is the OMAP3, not the Pandora.
Aug 19 19:39:50 <RST38h> omap3 is just a chip. until it in inside a product...
Aug 19 19:41:17 <GAN800> OK, whatever.
Aug 19 19:43:24 <Andrewfblack> Hey were would I advertise if I wanted to hire someone to write a applicaiton for maemo for me?
Aug 19 19:43:42 <lcuk> you just did
Aug 19 19:43:48 <Andrewfblack> lol
Aug 19 19:43:59 <lcuk> the garage has things like this i think
Aug 19 19:44:22 <lcuk> but my internet is going slower than a slow day in slowville
Aug 19 19:44:52 <danilocesar> Andrewfblack: We hack for food =)
Aug 19 19:45:14 <Andrewfblack> I know you can post openings for devolpers on garage I didn't think about that
Aug 19 19:45:18 <lcuk> sod food, cold hard cash, what is it you are after
Aug 19 19:45:34 <Andrewfblack> ok danilocesar I'll feed you for a program lol
Aug 19 19:46:13 <lcuk> he would like to point out its very expensive food served in a 5 star hotel on a platter of naked virgins
Aug 19 19:46:30 <Andrewfblack> lol
Aug 19 19:46:59 * lcuk thinks its inpolite to not finish meal and lick the plate
Aug 19 19:47:15 <lcuk> with an m
Aug 19 19:47:49 <danilocesar> I'll just accept payments in BurgerKing form =)
Aug 19 19:48:21 <lcuk> counted by the truckload
Aug 19 19:48:50 <lcuk> danilocesar, if you continue to lower your prices none of us will be able to eat
Aug 19 19:49:03 <Andrewfblack> I would think its would be an easy program to write I just want it to pull data from a mysql database on my server and make it look nice on the tablet.
Aug 19 19:49:27 <lcuk> Andrewfblack, why not just use a php app on your server and use the browser?
Aug 19 19:49:49 <danilocesar> Andrewfblack: I would try http://www.getafreelancer.com/
Aug 19 19:50:11 * lcuk is just looking at databases as it happens
Aug 19 19:50:16 <danilocesar> lcuk: =)
Aug 19 19:50:21 <Andrewfblack> I have a php app now that looks good on desktop and I even have a mobile version of it but I was thinking it would run faster on tablet if I was just pulling data from database and not whole pages
Aug 19 19:50:21 <lcuk> but im re-putting in sqlite
Aug 19 19:50:41 <dannym> hi :)
Aug 19 19:51:48 <lcuk> Andrewfblack, what about the security aspect - your php app accessing a local database and producing a page and stylesheet cant be that slow can it?
Aug 19 19:52:06 <lcuk> opening db up to outside devices lowers overall security
Aug 19 19:53:48 <Andrewfblack> Icuk yeah I guess your right only other reason I wanted it as am app instead of on web was I thought I would make it better looking on the tablet but I guess I can do that anyways just have 2 version one for desktop on for tablet
Aug 19 19:54:24 <lcuk> yer, css styling can allow you to have 1 primary app styled however you want it for specific devices
Aug 19 19:55:06 <Andrewfblack> using that thing can't remember whats its called where the css can tell what browser your using?
Aug 19 19:55:56 <lcuk> yer, or you can just make a few styles available and let the user choose :)
Aug 19 19:56:05 <Andrewfblack> yeah
Aug 19 19:56:39 <lcuk> most sites have a coat of paint for normal no cookie access, and another light summer jacket for low bandwidth
Aug 19 19:56:51 <lcuk> *for diminishing values of most
Aug 19 19:57:39 <Andrewfblack> I hacked the crap out of this guys script I guess I can hack away at it some more
Aug 19 19:58:01 <lcuk> lol
Aug 19 19:58:57 <Andrewfblack> between him programming and me reprogramming I'm sure the code of this thing looks like crap
Aug 19 19:59:16 <pupnik> you using lots of client side scripting?
Aug 19 19:59:34 <Andrewfblack> no
Aug 19 20:00:24 <pupnik> then your model doesn't require an app on the client
Aug 19 20:00:36 <pupnik> or .. no?
Aug 19 20:01:02 <Andrewfblack> no I really don't need a app on the client I just figured if I had one I could make it look better
Aug 19 20:01:26 <Andrewfblack> Its a PIM website well thats what the script is being now lol wasn't really that to begin with
Aug 19 20:01:50 <pupnik> i guess it could.  if you're selling it, a program can make the product more 'real' and 'tangible' than a webservice
Aug 19 20:02:28 <Andrewfblack> naa not selling it mainly for my use and anyone else who wants to use it
Aug 19 20:03:05 <pupnik> i hope solmumaha picks up knots again
Aug 19 20:03:11 <pupnik> i liked that media streamer/player
Aug 19 20:03:31 <pupnik> i could browse my server video library and playback quickly on the 770
Aug 19 20:04:07 <Andrewfblack> I really need a real php programmer to fix my crap then someone to write a Tablet App lol
Aug 19 20:11:37 <Jaffa__> lcuk: I've gone over the nightly rate, staying for only 4 nights (the first nightly rate anyway)
Aug 19 20:12:00 <lcuk> ive booked now jaffa
Aug 19 20:12:12 <lcuk> thanks though - i took the chance
Aug 19 20:13:06 <lcuk> im not very close though and still gotta get flights sorted now, we had an extra bonus today which meant i could sort it sooner
Aug 19 20:26:11 <rm_you> lcuk: :P
Aug 19 20:32:04 <Jaffa__> lcuk: I'm feeling *very* broke at the moment
Aug 19 20:36:55 <lcuk> Jaffa__, pinching us all
Aug 19 20:43:56 <lardman> evening all
Aug 19 20:44:15 <lcuk> hi lardman
Aug 19 20:45:27 <lardman> hey lcuk
Aug 19 20:45:34 <GNUton> hi
Aug 19 20:50:58 * lardman is very tired
Aug 19 20:54:22 <Stskeeps> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23001 <- obvious evidence the tablets are female
Aug 19 20:55:58 <lcuk> Stskeeps, holy crap, hes got a few  bugs in his system
Aug 19 20:56:19 <lcuk> i think leaving his 800 by the pond wasnt a good idea
Aug 19 20:57:31 <lardman> nasty
Aug 19 20:58:27 * Stskeeps adds a thanks to that post just because it gave him the laugh of the evening :>
Aug 19 21:18:05 <lardman> what do you reckon, convert DSP-side mp3 code to use packed 16 bit chars, or convert ARM-side code to place a single 8bit char in each 16bit int (which will be read as a char on DSP)?
Aug 19 21:18:22 <lardman> the latter me thinks
Aug 19 21:19:47 * Jaffa__ would first try the latter
Aug 19 21:20:56 <liri> has anyone tried irreco+mythtv?
Aug 19 21:23:51 <lbt> liri: what IR device?
Aug 19 21:25:46 <liri> lbt: I'm not planing to use an IR device, I just want to control mythtv itself
Aug 19 21:26:15 <liri> lbt: I'm seeing in the package manager that there are backend packages, are those the plugins for irreco?
Aug 19 21:26:29 <lbt> not looked at it b4
Aug 19 21:26:56 <liri> ahh
Aug 19 21:26:57 <lbt> hmm - so does it simulate IR over a wifi
Aug 19 21:27:10 <lbt> there's mythetomer
Aug 19 21:27:22 <liri> so those backend are plugins, yeah.
Aug 19 21:27:35 <liri> irreco simulates a remote control over a wifi connection
Aug 19 21:27:47 <lbt> yes - and fakes X events
Aug 19 21:27:49 <lbt> eek
Aug 19 21:28:03 <lbt> TBH, this is all a bit X10
Aug 19 21:28:11 <liri> a bit'
Aug 19 21:28:13 <lbt> throw out a command and hope it works!
Aug 19 21:28:19 <liri> I haven't seen mythetomer before, have you used it?
Aug 19 21:28:27 <lbt> yes - it works
Aug 19 21:28:41 <lbt> but it's not my approach
Aug 19 21:29:06 <lbt> I think we need a solution that controls a frontend with feedback
Aug 19 21:29:28 <lbt> have you seen the new squeezebox control?
Aug 19 21:29:48 <liri> uhm, nope
Aug 19 21:31:01 <lbt> it's a wifi enabled remote control
Aug 19 21:31:07 <lbt> with a touch screen
Aug 19 21:31:26 <lbt> like a harmony IR control crossed with an iPhone...
Aug 19 21:31:48 <lbt> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/devices/3817&cl=roeu,en?WT.ac=ps|4398
Aug 19 21:32:17 <lbt> *that* is how to do it...
Aug 19 21:32:40 <lbt> GreyFoxx is also interested in Myth remotes...
Aug 19 21:33:03 <dougt> is there a way to make the n810 work on a wired lan?
Aug 19 21:33:15 <lbt> usb networking
Aug 19 21:33:18 <lbt> and bridge mode
Aug 19 21:33:28 <dougt> something without a requirement of a host.
Aug 19 21:33:28 <lbt> or maybe a usb/lan dongle?
Aug 19 21:33:33 <dougt> yeah ^^
Aug 19 21:33:44 <darkblue_B> ok, here's a classic question.. I have a N800.. I occassionally log into it.. no, I ddnt keep good records of my login credentials :-/.. I just logged in as user.. works fine.. tried to log in as root, and I *swear* the password  had set up.. and it fails.. chances of it being rooted?
Aug 19 21:33:49 <dougt> i wanna just be able to plug this device into a rj45.
Aug 19 21:34:08 <crashanddie> darkblue_B, hardly, just might have forgotten your password ?
Aug 19 21:34:18 <liri> looking at mythetomer it's basically just a remote style layout but somewhat primitive compared to irreco I think
Aug 19 21:34:21 <arachnist> http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog
Aug 19 21:34:29 <darkblue_B> crashanddie: I really dont think so. of course its possible
Aug 19 21:35:28 <lbt> yep
Aug 19 21:35:31 <crashanddie> arachnist, I'm wondering if I should ask you what you were hoping to find with such a query string
Aug 19 21:35:34 <dougt> arachnist: pig dog?
Aug 19 21:35:35 <darkblue_B> *sigh* I guess there isnt much I can do as user..
Aug 19 21:35:56 <arachnist> crashanddie: it wasn't me, it's a paste from another irc channel
Aug 19 21:36:05 <darkblue_B> I guess I'll re-flash it.. sfwr rev? for an N800?
Aug 19 21:36:14 <arachnist> dougt: dunno
Aug 19 21:36:14 <crashanddie> darkblue_B, diablo
Aug 19 21:36:42 <darkblue_B> the only ting I really need for t is the VNC app...
Aug 19 21:36:54 <darkblue_B> is there a newer VNC that works?
Aug 19 21:37:25 <dougt> arachnist: creative, at the very least.
Aug 19 21:37:52 <darkblue_B> I have x11vnc in Extras.. it deosnt work all that well
Aug 19 21:38:00 <darkblue_B> but it does work
Aug 19 21:43:30 <liri> lbt: just configured irreco, it's awesome
Aug 19 21:43:50 <liri> lbt: though they haven't got any preconfigured remotes for mythtv which is somewhat annoying
Aug 19 21:43:57 <lbt> I just dl'ed it...
Aug 19 21:44:02 <lbt> yep I was looking too :)
Aug 19 21:46:36 <darkblue_B> why does netstat show some connection to a comcast address?
Aug 19 21:46:59 <lardman> night chaps
Aug 19 21:52:42 <darkblue_B> now its gone... I dont like this
Aug 19 21:57:55 <GAN800> Fucking lame ass bugspam.
Aug 19 21:58:33 <GAN800> @hotmail.com of course.
Aug 19 22:05:30 <timeless> gan: why is planet broken? :)
Aug 19 22:07:05 <jott> timeless: because x-fade has to push a button every 2 hours - as he is on vacation now everything breaks down :P
Aug 19 22:07:42 <GAN800> jott++
Aug 19 22:07:58 <GAN800> X-Fade disappears and maemo.org goes straight to shit. :P
Aug 19 22:08:09 <timeless> heh
Aug 19 22:08:11 <GAN800> Job insurance or something. ;)
Aug 19 22:08:32 <lcuk> timeless, the planet is not broken, george bush will be out of office soon and hopefully we can get back to normal
Aug 19 22:08:45 * GAN800 rolleyes.
Aug 19 22:08:52 <lcuk> x-fade IS maemo.org - its run from his personal 800
Aug 19 22:09:05 <GAN800> Naive lcuk.
Aug 19 22:09:22 <lcuk> what the planet crack, or the server infrastructure?
Aug 19 22:09:42 <jott> you choose :)
Aug 19 22:09:46 <GAN800> Thinking it makes any difference which party is in office.
Aug 19 22:10:00 <lcuk> yer especially when im in england :P
Aug 19 22:10:08 <jott> well i had really good parties in the office :P
Aug 19 22:10:54 <lcuk> yer, office parties are fun
Aug 19 22:30:51 <lcuk> wtf - itT has a tagging section, but i can only apply 2 tags
Aug 19 22:31:39 <lcuk> i wanted to add bugs,banana,funny,roadtrip and it moaned about 2 too many tags \@/
Aug 19 22:32:35 <jott> tag spammer :p
Aug 19 22:33:01 <lcuk> well ive never used it before, i like to be descriptive :)
Aug 19 22:33:17 <pupnik> what does winCE use for 3D api?
Aug 19 22:33:58 <lcuk> i thought it was opengl es or whatever its called, but now i think is it something like directx-lite?
Aug 19 22:34:10 <lcuk> or it should be ^
Aug 19 22:36:35 * pupnik ponders 
Aug 19 22:37:02 <jott> it definitely supports gl es.
Aug 19 22:37:16 <jott> maybe dx is also available.
Aug 19 22:37:25 <pupnik> ah We thought it would be fun to do it, so we ported the recenly-GPL-released Quake 3 Arena from iD Software to Windows CE 4.2 for Pocket PC, as a test for our 'SpeedDemon' Windows CE profiler. The game support the Intel 2700g chipset for hardware OpenGL-ES rendering, as well as software rendering.
Aug 19 22:38:06 <jott> we would run quake 4 if we had drivers :P
Aug 19 22:38:26 <jott> powervr ranting time!
Aug 19 22:38:57 <lcuk> rule 12
Aug 19 22:39:01 <lcuk> -2
Aug 19 22:39:34 * lcuk hopes we never get to needing rule 35
Aug 19 22:40:20 <pupnik> so one could make something using - say - sdl + opengl ES and port it to WinCE fairly quickly
Aug 19 22:40:21 <jott> the n9x0 omap3 driver issue? :)
Aug 19 22:41:45 <lcuk> if you can abstract the file system and OS functions away i believe the opengl interface remains the same
Aug 19 22:41:55 <pupnik> i was just curious about crossplatform sw
Aug 19 22:41:59 <lcuk> tbut of course, the same can be said about win/linux
Aug 19 22:42:48 <AStorm> for 3D you need less of OS functions though
Aug 19 22:43:14 <lcuk> yes, but you need to load those assets into memory from disk
Aug 19 22:43:22 <lcuk> and handle user input
Aug 19 22:44:40 <AStorm> malloc is portable enough
Aug 19 22:44:54 <AStorm> user input isn't though, but sdl takes care of that
Aug 19 22:44:59 <AStorm> :)
Aug 19 22:45:14 <lcuk> malloc doesnt understand disc access commands
Aug 19 22:45:21 <AStorm> there are portable filesystem libs
Aug 19 22:45:41 <lcuk> AStorm, no qualms at all, just running over what pupnik asked
Aug 19 22:46:58 <practisevoodoo> lol, there's a maemo version that i am rich iphone ap
Aug 19 22:47:20 <neilpwc> yep, i-am-free
Aug 19 22:48:16 <AStorm> ok, once we get high-speed GSM modem with drivers (there are many), open wifi driver and better GPS chip, world domination is assured
Aug 19 22:48:28 <AStorm> this kind of n900 would pwn iPhone
Aug 19 22:48:39 <AStorm> OMAP3 would be great too :>
Aug 19 22:49:04 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP3 will solve most problems.
Aug 19 22:49:25 <jott> open wifi? gps? gsm? no..
Aug 19 22:49:35 <GeneralAntilles> and Beagle is advertising accelerated OpenGL with the OMAP3530
Aug 19 22:49:40 <GeneralAntilles> Please no GSM
Aug 19 22:49:43 <GeneralAntilles> Please dear god, no GSM.
Aug 19 22:50:22 <GeneralAntilles> jott, did qwerty12 poke you about rotation-support?
Aug 19 22:50:29 <jott> not that i noticed
Aug 19 22:51:01 <lcuk> jott, i still notice the pandora isn't on 3d
Aug 19 22:51:06 <GeneralAntilles> Why do people insist on replying to bugmail?
Aug 19 22:51:27 <lcuk> :D its the best damned thread on itT EVER
Aug 19 22:51:56 <jott> well 3d makes the device closed :/
Aug 19 22:51:57 <lcuk> (yes, i know ive replied more than others :D)
Aug 19 22:53:30 * GeneralAntilles isn't going to help people who reply to bugmail instead of posting a comment in the bug.
Aug 19 22:54:03 <lcuk> ahhhhh you don't mean: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23001
Aug 19 22:56:32 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, what does that have to do with bugmail?
Aug 19 22:56:54 <lcuk> the guy has a real bug living in his 800 :D
Aug 19 22:57:02 * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like trying to explain things over and over and over again to people who don't pay attention on itT.
Aug 19 22:57:39 <jott> GeneralAntilles: FAQ :)
Aug 19 22:57:51 <GeneralAntilles> jott, that doesn't help.
Aug 19 22:58:24 <GeneralAntilles> Unless you want me to cover questions like: "Has Nokia tried to get their partners to be more open?"
Aug 19 22:58:27 <jott> then you can generate an autoreply "Please read the FAQ, kthxbye"
Aug 19 22:58:29 <jott> :)
Aug 19 22:59:34 * GeneralAntilles goes through and deletes some more crap itT wiki articles.
Aug 19 22:59:46 <GeneralAntilles> I now know where people were getting their bad advice. . . .
Aug 19 23:00:06 <lcuk> gen, take a deep breath and just reply.  obviously getting worked up about it wont help and you cannot fly out to every single first poster and hit them on the head with a cluestick.
Aug 19 23:00:18 <jott> hot tips: enable red pill, add crappy repositories,
Aug 19 23:00:19 <GeneralAntilles> If only.
Aug 19 23:00:30 <GeneralAntilles> jott, every. damn. article. . . .
Aug 19 23:00:54 <GeneralAntilles> Or covering every single possible way to do something.
Aug 19 23:01:05 <lcuk> fight fire with fire, put articles up about how to clean it off
Aug 19 23:01:09 <GeneralAntilles> Instead of just the two that are stable, sensible and straightforward.
Aug 19 23:01:35 <GeneralAntilles> The USB host mode article cleaned up OK
Aug 19 23:01:38 <GeneralAntilles> The rest. . . .
Aug 19 23:01:42 <lcuk> once google sees the new wiki properly the good will push out the bad
Aug 19 23:02:00 <GeneralAntilles> Let's just say I'm resting the responsibility for rotation on qwerty12's shoulder's instead of those articles.
Aug 19 23:02:14 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, the midgard wiki is this the first result for most things.
Aug 19 23:02:22 <lcuk> for now it is yes
Aug 19 23:02:31 <jott> and #maemo his pretty good ranked too :)
Aug 19 23:02:32 <lcuk> we therefore need to push it so google sees the change
Aug 19 23:02:35 <GeneralAntilles> I think I may have to get with dneary and see about going through the old articles to see what can be deleted.
Aug 19 23:02:53 <lcuk> jott, pov.lt is amazingly high isnt it :)
Aug 19 23:03:07 <jott> old wiki should just be shut down.
Aug 19 23:03:17 <lcuk> no
Aug 19 23:03:26 <GeneralAntilles> jott, problem is, there's still some mildly useful 770 information there.
Aug 19 23:03:32 <lcuk> old wiki is the one place where owners of old devices can get the info
Aug 19 23:03:43 <lcuk> that was the WHOLE reason why the new wiki could cut out the cruft
Aug 19 23:03:55 <GeneralAntilles> There's a lot of stuff that can go, though.
Aug 19 23:04:02 <jott> they should move along and update to 2008he :)
Aug 19 23:04:11 <GeneralAntilles> Stuff where the new article is relevant to all devices
Aug 19 23:04:16 <lcuk> the mess made because no1 knew a better way or had anything else to switch to
Aug 19 23:04:17 <GeneralAntilles> and the old one is just dragging things down
Aug 19 23:04:21 <GeneralAntilles> Like root access.
Aug 19 23:04:47 <jott> i really doubt its worth the confusion.
Aug 19 23:04:59 <jott> so much stuff is outdated and unmaintained even for 770
Aug 19 23:05:08 <lcuk> ok, so how do you ensure you keep the good stuff for n770 without destroying it by bulldozing through ripping out the 8x0 stuff
Aug 19 23:05:09 <GeneralAntilles> jott, as do I.
Aug 19 23:05:12 <jott> or just wrong :)
Aug 19 23:05:21 <GeneralAntilles> But there were a lot of knee-jerk reactions against deleting.
Aug 19 23:05:26 <GeneralAntilles> s/n770/770/g
Aug 19 23:05:30 <lcuk> jott, but the linux way is to allow the older stuff to survive
Aug 19 23:05:38 <lcuk> there is no solid fixed end of line
Aug 19 23:05:40 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, OK, that was COMPLETELY ass backwards
Aug 19 23:05:44 <lcuk> if people are using it, great
Aug 19 23:05:46 <GeneralAntilles> s/8x0/N8x0/
Aug 19 23:05:47 <GeneralAntilles> g
Aug 19 23:05:50 <jott> lcuk: make a downloadable archive :)
Aug 19 23:06:04 <jott> or point them to archive.org ;)
Aug 19 23:06:21 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the Windows user talking about the Linux way. :P
Aug 19 23:06:27 <jott> lcuk: problem is that there are old and possibly wrong information in it.
Aug 19 23:06:36 <jott> lcuk: and no one cares to work on it.
Aug 19 23:06:39 <lcuk> it shouldnt need to: what ideally will happen is google should start to give results for 8x0 from the new wiki
Aug 19 23:06:41 <GeneralAntilles> Definitely wrong information
Aug 19 23:06:54 <GeneralAntilles> Ideally, but doesn't right now.
Aug 19 23:06:59 <lcuk> good jott, it should be lower in the rankings but no1 said it has to die
Aug 19 23:07:09 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, we're not talking whole-hog deletions.
Aug 19 23:07:21 <jott> lcuk: some time you have to move along :)
Aug 19 23:07:24 <lcuk> once it goes off the google front page for normal 8x0 queries the problem will solve itself
Aug 19 23:07:29 <lcuk> agreed
Aug 19 23:07:33 <GeneralAntilles> I just want to kill some stuff that doesn't have any useful info not covered by the new article and is just getting in the way with lots of wrong info.
Aug 19 23:07:43 <jott> lcuk: and that's why stuff from the old wiki is moved to the new one.
Aug 19 23:07:53 <jott> lcuk: because there atleast the slight hope of improvement exists.
Aug 19 23:08:02 <lcuk> no jott, thats why the new wiki was given license to cleanup and kill all the old stuff
Aug 19 23:08:12 <lcuk> purely because the old wiki still existed
Aug 19 23:08:26 <lcuk> the problem here is people are clinging onto the old bad information
Aug 19 23:08:35 <jott> yes - so just remove it.
Aug 19 23:08:37 <lcuk> we need to push the new wiki instead of complaining about whats past
Aug 19 23:08:54 <lcuk> google will adapt if its pushed
Aug 19 23:08:56 <jott> no point in keeping wrong information on an official place.
Aug 19 23:09:23 <jott> move it to crapload.org so it's not affiliated with maemo.org
Aug 19 23:10:03 <jott> google often fails..
Aug 19 23:10:04 <lcuk> just a move itself would work..
Aug 19 23:10:13 <GeneralAntilles> I'm gonna get with dneary and see about killing the shitty pages.
Aug 19 23:10:13 <lcuk> nit_history.com
Aug 19 23:10:16 <lcuk> or similar
Aug 19 23:10:23 <jott> archive.org
Aug 19 23:10:27 <jott> should be enough :)
Aug 19 23:11:25 <jott> http://web.archive.org/web/20070507003026/http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ stored for "eternity" :P
Aug 19 23:11:34 <jott> just drop it from maemo.org and move along..
Aug 19 23:12:32 <jott> if there is something important in it then it should be in the new wiki anyway.
Aug 19 23:12:58 <jott> everything else is just pure bs.
Aug 19 23:14:13 <andrewfblack> hey
Aug 19 23:14:31 <GeneralAntilles> The old flashing pages need to be killed.
Aug 19 23:14:47 <GeneralAntilles> The old root articles need to be killed.
Aug 19 23:14:58 <GeneralAntilles> Where are the people with this kind of access when you need them. . . .
Aug 19 23:15:15 <andrewfblack> lol
Aug 19 23:15:27 <jott> i think x-fade should not be allowed to take vacations in the next year :P
Aug 19 23:15:37 <GeneralAntilles> ~jott++
Aug 19 23:15:39 <GeneralAntilles> ~jott++
Aug 19 23:15:41 <GeneralAntilles> ~jott++
Aug 19 23:15:52 <GeneralAntilles> ~karma jott
Aug 19 23:15:52 <andrewfblack> what irc program do you guys use on the tablets
Aug 19 23:15:53 <infobot> jott has karma of 2
Aug 19 23:15:58 <GeneralAntilles> ~karma jott
Aug 19 23:16:03 <GeneralAntilles> ~xchat
Aug 19 23:16:03 <andrewfblack> mibbit sucks on tablet
Aug 19 23:16:04 <infobot> i guess xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/
Aug 19 23:16:11 <jott> spam protection probably..
Aug 19 23:16:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's in Extras-devel.
Aug 19 23:16:32 <andrewfblack> ok i'll take a look at it
Aug 19 23:16:47 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Aug 19 23:17:11 <GeneralAntilles> My sister's out back blowing up water bottles with HCl and aluminum foil.
Aug 19 23:17:23 <jaska> o.O
Aug 19 23:18:36 <lcuk> jott, ok then, pull the plug.  off with its head so to speak
Aug 19 23:19:49 <andrewfblack> is extra dlevel not on gronmayer?
Aug 19 23:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, forget gronmayer
Aug 19 23:21:44 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Aug 19 23:21:46 <infobot> extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Aug 19 23:21:54 <GeneralAntilles> There's a .install there.
Aug 19 23:23:44 <GeneralAntilles> So, who wants to volunteer to do an SSH article? :P
Aug 19 23:24:48 <GeneralAntilles> Should cover key setup, security, x-forwarding and xauth
Aug 20 00:24:19 <nikosapi> ling long pagoda
Aug 20 00:25:21 <darkblue_B> so.. flashing a N800 from linux.. I am looking at DIABLO 4.2008.23-14
Aug 20 00:25:31 <darkblue_B> good?  stick with stable?
Aug 20 00:26:25 <darkblue_B> (I listed with dpkg --list just now for what is there already.. 2007 stable I think.. June?
Aug 20 00:32:16 <GAN800> 23-14 is old.
Aug 20 00:32:26 <GAN800> Upgrade to 30-2
Aug 20 00:50:39 <AFBN810> hey
Aug 20 01:03:17 <darkblue_B> 30-2 ??? where do I fnd that?  GAN800
Aug 20 01:03:59 <GAN800> Open Application manager, go to the 'Check for updates' section and tap the little rotating arrow in the bottom right of the toolbar.
Aug 20 01:10:46 * GeneralAntilles wonders why the information in the topic title is relevant. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=215573#post215573
Aug 20 01:35:25 <moontiger> GA: cos its a brilliant thread *laughs*
Aug 20 01:45:05 <crashanddie> http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4903/screenshot02do3.png
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