**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 24 02:59:56 2008 Aug 24 03:10:57 * sp3000 sleeps Aug 24 04:07:53 GeneralAntilles: isn't officially supported _yet_ Aug 24 04:21:12 Hello Aug 24 04:39:39 what would you think if I told you I hadn't seen evil dead 2 yet Aug 24 04:43:55 i'd think you just watched high fidelity Aug 24 05:46:37 does anybody know how to move your gpg private key to another machine? Aug 24 05:46:58 moontiger: It's in ~/.gnupg/ Aug 24 05:47:00 in the keyring Aug 24 05:47:51 moontiger: gpg --list-keys Aug 24 05:47:53 find the one you want Aug 24 05:48:00 i did that Aug 24 05:48:04 then export and import Aug 24 05:48:07 but it doesnt work Aug 24 05:48:38 for example, one of my keys has the short name 26351E19 Aug 24 05:48:45 So I do gpg --armor --export 26351E19 Aug 24 05:48:55 What doesn't work? Aug 24 05:49:06 ok so im trying to use py2deb on the nit Aug 24 05:49:12 moontiger: If it's your personal key, you'll need --export-secret-keys Aug 24 05:49:15 but i set up my gpg keys on my laptop Aug 24 05:49:25 so i exported my secret key Aug 24 05:49:31 and imported my secret key Aug 24 05:49:34 on the nit Aug 24 05:49:58 check out ~/.gnupg/options Aug 24 05:50:05 but gpg --sign says it cant find a secret key Aug 24 05:50:06 see if it's using a different keyring than the one used by py2deb? Aug 24 05:50:40 weird Aug 24 05:50:54 You could also use default-key XXXXXXXX in the options Aug 24 05:51:08 My key sig is B0EF20CC, which I particularly enjoy. Aug 24 05:51:16 20CCs of beef please! Aug 24 05:52:17 can i just generate a new key? or wont it match the one in garage? Aug 24 05:52:38 I don't know anything about the garage, I've never uploaded a package. Aug 24 05:52:56 all day i have been trying to get my deb file ok to upload Aug 24 05:53:05 and still im f***ing around at it Aug 24 05:53:17 SO frustrating Aug 24 05:53:48 Look at your ~/.gnupg/options file, see if it specifies some particular secret keyring. Aug 24 05:53:58 Look at py2deb, see if it only check for the default keyring? Aug 24 05:54:05 Maybe there's a verbose mode for py2deb? Aug 24 05:55:06 there wasnt one Aug 24 05:55:18 just trust.db and the pub and priv keys Aug 24 05:55:26 i deleted them all Aug 24 05:55:38 so how should i import the private key again? Aug 24 05:55:44 as root or just a user? Aug 24 05:56:01 Well, I assume the secret key is saved as your user? Aug 24 05:56:15 i would assume too but gpg goofs out if u dont use root Aug 24 05:56:20 i'll try again Aug 24 05:56:27 That doesn't make sense. Aug 24 05:56:33 do u know the private key import command? Aug 24 05:56:40 gpg --import ? Aug 24 05:56:44 I've never done that. Aug 24 06:00:44 and of course on garage thees no way to actually change my key Aug 24 06:01:00 so im stuck with my key being on a machine that cant generate the packages Aug 24 06:01:15 and the machine that can generate the packages cant find my key Aug 24 06:01:43 Sorry, I don't know how to help. Aug 24 06:02:00 *smiles* no thank you for trying ... im sorry to let off ... im just so frustrated Aug 24 06:18:52 shapr ... it worked :) Aug 24 06:19:00 finally after the whole day :) Aug 24 06:32:20 :) Aug 24 06:33:46 beford, yah its painful for the first time but now i could do it much more easily Aug 24 06:34:17 its called "mgcal" in extras-cevel in case you use google calendar Aug 24 06:34:24 devel even Aug 24 06:34:34 :) Aug 24 06:41:13 moontiger: yay! Aug 24 06:41:22 yes :) Aug 24 07:05:26 well so if anybody uses google calendar i would appreciate some feedback :) Aug 24 07:06:11 hello Aug 24 07:06:55 yersterday morning i worked on charger battery of cell phone k608i Aug 24 07:07:06 it works fine Aug 24 07:07:40 now my nokia 770 can be charged with a charger batter of cell phone k608i Aug 24 07:08:06 why the charger battery of nokia 770 was borken Aug 24 07:08:32 now i am satisfied of my little job Aug 24 07:09:51 so if you never need necessity of a charger battery it is necessary to cut the shell, unmount the cable of sony ericsson and to munt the cables of nokia 770 Aug 24 07:10:05 happy hacking Paolo Aug 24 07:12:27 hi Pavlz :) Aug 24 07:13:04 hi Aug 24 07:13:08 all ok ? Aug 24 07:13:30 this night too i did later Aug 24 07:14:31 from 12 hours i go with my mom to eat a Pizza Aug 24 07:14:50 between Aug 24 07:14:56 Pavlz, yes all good :) Aug 24 07:15:09 almost time for bed again tho Aug 24 07:15:15 not so well Aug 24 07:15:28 i got my first app into the repos Aug 24 07:15:43 i work the night, bacause is cold Aug 24 07:15:49 really? Aug 24 07:15:53 the day is too hot? Aug 24 07:15:56 and in the morning is cold Aug 24 07:16:15 yes very hot Aug 24 07:16:18 for me Aug 24 07:16:26 and for my laptop Aug 24 07:16:36 heh here is not so hot in the summer Aug 24 07:16:43 in spring and fall it gets hot Aug 24 07:17:09 i prefeer winter Aug 24 07:17:16 i work better Aug 24 07:17:26 ah, i got a news Aug 24 07:17:49 i forgotten to communnicate last day Aug 24 07:18:04 ? Aug 24 07:18:12 the next 4 october 2008 Aug 24 07:18:18 last day = yesterday (in english) Aug 24 07:18:22 i had my 3 conference Aug 24 07:18:55 i don't remember if was yesterday or before Aug 24 07:19:00 heh Aug 24 07:19:07 what is 3 conference? Aug 24 07:23:17 yes about http://pdelbene.blogspot.com/ Aug 24 07:23:51 i talk in Italy about free software Aug 24 07:24:11 oh wow thats cool! :) Aug 24 07:24:53 but many people that want to use free software don't know the difference between free software and opensource Aug 24 07:25:10 or why too share between hackers Aug 24 07:25:18 which are the benefits Aug 24 07:25:44 and why the GNU General Public License Aug 24 07:27:00 how the universities gave their contribute to build kernel or microkernel.... Aug 24 07:28:13 right Aug 24 07:28:19 these are common issues Aug 24 07:28:34 as so i find myself to reply to guys or people that are more than 30 years old and don't know nothing about, because they are only journalist Aug 24 07:28:38 a lot of people dont realise free doesnt always mean zero money Aug 24 07:28:56 infact this is the story Aug 24 07:29:45 i guess if ur not a geek who loves writing and sharing code its hard to understand Aug 24 07:30:03 the idea of programming for the pure love of it Aug 24 07:31:06 i bought the t-shirt http://shop.fsf.org/product/happy-hacking-shirt/ and i payd 15 euro Aug 24 07:32:07 so yuo can see the shirt that i got and personally rms gave me Aug 24 07:32:25 nice :) Aug 24 07:32:39 rms?? u met him? Aug 24 07:33:23 yes, i eaten too with him to dinner to the ARA PACIS in ROMA (ITALY) to the RESTAURANT Aug 24 07:33:54 very nice :) Aug 24 07:41:34 beford: hey Aug 24 07:41:57 hi Aug 24 07:42:29 did you get pykaraoke_mini to play karaoke files Aug 24 07:52:09 moontiger i searched for you this http://www.laitspa.it/laitweb/festival_innovazione/programma.php?giorno=8 Aug 24 07:53:16 Pavlz, hahaha :) Aug 24 07:53:18 unfortunately the homepage is available in all the languages but these idiots, have not create a link to the homepage for english, spanish, deutch Aug 24 07:53:20 maybe next year :) Aug 24 07:55:02 you can always see http://www.fsf.org/events/ to know where rms is Aug 24 07:56:02 if i get time before i leave in december i will Aug 24 07:57:21 if you are in texas you are lucky Aug 24 07:57:28 are you in texas ? Aug 24 07:57:33 if im in texas im in the wrong place Aug 24 07:57:41 san francisco, california Aug 24 07:57:52 lucky you Aug 24 07:58:04 why lucky? Aug 24 07:58:29 wonderful california Aug 24 07:58:36 i saw many movies Aug 24 07:58:45 well its ok but its not like the movies trust me Aug 24 07:59:22 * qwerty12 likes Compton Aug 24 07:59:30 * moontiger prefers watts Aug 24 08:00:50 i must go to bed now as its late and im tired from coding all day :) Aug 24 08:00:56 i will be back 2moro tho Aug 24 08:01:22 25 (The Free Software Movement)-26 (Free Software in Ethics and in Practise) August 2008 in Houston Texas Aug 24 08:01:39 houston is too far from here Aug 24 08:02:02 qwerty12: why on earth would udev starting up cause a block device to become unfsckable? :( Aug 24 08:02:42 Stskeeps: No idea >.<. Are you sure it's udev and if so, what udev rules are defined? Aug 24 08:02:44 this available !!! do you prefeer Paraguay or Perù ? Aug 24 08:02:55 i think peru Aug 24 08:03:07 is more near Aug 24 08:03:19 just prefer the name :) Aug 24 08:03:19 don't seem me Aug 24 08:03:44 qwerty12: the fail upon boot which is replicable by popping battery and booting again, disáppears totally with dpkg --remove udev Aug 24 08:04:03 Pavlz, im off now ... ciao :) Aug 24 08:04:40 Stskeeps: crap. Hmm, do you have a copy of the udev rules that come with deblet by default? Aug 24 08:04:55 18 November 2008 El Peligro de las Patentes Informaticas Aug 24 08:04:57 mornint Aug 24 08:04:59 bye bye Aug 24 08:05:25 Lima Perù Aug 24 08:05:31 bye bye Aug 24 08:05:39 ciao ciao Aug 24 08:05:49 to this evening Aug 24 08:05:52 Pavlz: you still here? Aug 24 08:06:03 i go to bed now Aug 24 08:06:09 toodle pip then ;) Aug 24 08:06:14 qwerty12: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2008-February/012323.html <- i suspect this might be a fix (scroll down to SlugOS mention in the patch) Aug 24 08:07:18 Ah, hmm, it could be Aug 24 08:07:44 Would it be possible to make udev start after the file system check or the file system check before udev? Aug 24 08:08:16 probably, but its not healthy since udev is handy to have Aug 24 08:08:31 * Stskeeps will boot up his tablet after coffee Aug 24 08:09:16 Yeah, you are right Aug 24 08:10:05 Looks like mamona has that fix already Aug 24 08:10:22 manona's trac is a nightmare to go through, constant server errors :P Aug 24 08:10:24 how do they do it? Aug 24 08:10:50 doesnt mamona only do flash-based booting? Aug 24 08:10:51 * qwerty12 hates trac fullstop. Aug 24 08:11:07 i like trac for many things, not fond of the bug system but the rest is okay Aug 24 08:11:22 Stskeeps: no, i remember rodrigo booting off mmc. his blog post was the reason I started to modify initfs Aug 24 08:11:47 ah Aug 24 08:11:50 although not with functional mods :> Aug 24 08:12:11 lbt: btw InstallationProcess is out of date, so it might be more wise to base it on main page installation steps instead Aug 24 08:12:43 'k Aug 24 08:15:17 Greetings fellas! :) Aug 24 08:17:34 nice to see you again Addison Aug 24 08:17:47 in an irc sense, of course Aug 24 08:19:55 You can see me all you want pupnik!!!! If you would like, I can even strip down to my skivvies! *lol* Aug 24 08:21:26 are you female? Aug 24 08:21:34 Hey, it's good to see you as well ArnimS! I actually had a good question for you. Aug 24 08:22:14 "Ancient Domains of Mystery" just put up a new Telnet site for the first time, but certain characters aren't showing up. Aug 24 08:22:37 I remember something about Dawnmist saying that Xterm's colors is buggy. Is that correct? Aug 24 08:25:51 Addison: yes Aug 24 08:25:56 but don't know if that info is current Aug 24 08:26:57 i assume it works on your PC? Aug 24 08:28:24 talking about this Addison ? http://ancardia.ath.cx/adom_server_info.txt Aug 24 08:28:24 heh, - best way to watch maemo mess up, accidentially pivot_root inside it :> Aug 24 08:30:04 Yes exactly pupnik! Aug 24 08:30:32 It's not showing all of the junk of the screen. I think it has something to do with Xterm not showing the right shade of grey. Aug 24 08:33:29 are you playing atm Addison ? Aug 24 08:33:46 Nope. But I can give you a screenshot of it. Aug 24 08:33:52 i'm on as spectator Aug 24 08:34:39 There's no walls.... Aug 24 08:34:40 http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1128/adomxp1.png Aug 24 08:35:53 By the way, I've got a really great keyboard for that site. I probably should post it on the forums.... Aug 24 08:35:54 http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7741/screenshot2008082023084yz8.png Aug 24 08:36:10 yeah that's the bug. dark grey appearing as black Aug 24 08:36:42 Can you hack it, ArnimS or do you need the fellas at Maemo to clear out that bug? Aug 24 08:36:54 Addison: does the same behaviour occur with roxterm? If so, it may be a libvte problem. Aug 24 08:37:31 http://inz.fi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/shot-2007-05-15-14-14-01.png Aug 24 08:37:36 Yeah, I've also tried Roxterm immediately after. I also tried Putty but it doesn't want to accept the row and column feature within the program. Aug 24 08:38:27 You lost me on that last post ArnimS, is that a program to change the colors? Aug 24 08:38:46 http://www.cs.rice.edu/~scrosby/software/tf256color/src/256colors2.pl addison, qwerty12 you can test colors iwth that Aug 24 08:38:59 pupnik: cool, thanks Aug 24 08:39:52 Shit, now I'm lost. Is that a file within the tablet? Aug 24 08:40:25 it's a little perl script to display the colors you see on http://inz.fi - well maybe not exactly those Aug 24 08:40:58 run it with "perl 256colors2.pl Aug 24 08:41:30 So what is there to do in getting Xterm to see that it's being stupid with the gray coloring? Aug 24 08:44:31 For comparison purposes: Desktop: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/osso-xterm-grey-test-desktop.png Tablet: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/osso-xterm-grey-test-tablet.png Aug 24 08:45:13 * qwerty12 should have set the desktop xterm to black too >.< Aug 24 08:45:32 * qwerty12 upload it again Aug 24 08:45:58 bbl Aug 24 08:46:28 Good job typing with your feet pupnik! Can't wait to hear from you again! *lol* Aug 24 08:47:16 Oh wait, perhaps "bbl" means something and I'm just too stupid to know? Aug 24 08:47:32 Hmm, is it me or do those colours look the same? I think it's something in libvte. Aug 24 08:47:38 bbl = be back later Aug 24 08:47:46 as far as I know Aug 24 08:48:25 Hey qwerty, how about you come here to the states and work for the NSA. They'll pay you top dollar! Aug 24 08:48:44 qwerty12: the "bright black" on the tablet is wrong... Aug 24 08:49:00 it's in the 2nd row on the left - below "System colors" Aug 24 08:49:18 bbl = be back later Aug 24 08:49:20 You are way too smart for your country. You really need to ditch that shithole space called England! :) Aug 24 08:49:33 Addison: Hehe, I'm not that smart :) Aug 24 08:49:43 pupnik: yes, I see it now, I must be blind :) Aug 24 08:50:43 Becoming blind only happens with unrelenting, obessive masturbation. Care to share your thoughts on this Qwerty? Aug 24 08:50:46 :) Aug 24 08:50:52 inz new about the problem ages ago. surprised it's not fixed. Aug 24 08:51:09 knew Aug 24 08:51:14 Addison: *sigh* Aug 24 08:51:49 Sorry qwerty, weird and unnecessary joke at your expense. At least it was fun typing it! :) Aug 24 08:52:00 :P Aug 24 08:52:19 holy crap the conversation we just had came up on a google search for this topic Aug 24 08:52:24 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html Aug 24 08:53:13 Happened to me yesterday, I was surprised as I thought it was slow at collecting logs :P :D Aug 24 08:53:42 Hey, the internet is just a daily, turd depository. Aug 24 08:54:01 the surprising part is that google indexed it so fast Addison Aug 24 08:54:21 I once tried to check up on something simple online and got a hit for "texas roadkill bondage". Seriously, what the hell? Aug 24 08:59:14 So can the grey mis-color junk be fixed or is it going to be a wait and see sort of thing? Aug 24 09:02:26 I'm blind too :| Aug 24 09:08:47 So pupnik, is there an easy fix to the weird bright black color in Xterm or is that something that I'll have to live with? Aug 24 09:17:51 Hey pupnik and Qwerty, I thought that we were having an engaging conversation with eachother...... What happened? :) Aug 24 09:18:07 * qwerty12 has nothing to say :) Aug 24 09:18:36 Are you angry with me for my stupid posts? Aug 24 09:19:06 No no, nothing like that, I just don't know what more I can contribute to this topic. + that I'm busy working on Conky Aug 24 09:19:07 If you say no, you're going to get more of them, you know this right? Aug 24 09:23:02 Well, it looks like I'm out like a fat kid in dodge ball. I'll see you all around sometime soon. :) Aug 24 09:30:10 Ok, so I want to install e2fsprogs - packrat says it's in the repository.maemo.org - but what line do I need in sources.list? Aug 24 09:30:16 http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=e2fsprogs&Section=&Repo=0 Aug 24 09:30:40 It's also in diablo extras-devel Aug 24 09:31:13 there is too much 'random knowledge' required!! Aug 24 09:31:55 * Stskeeps wonders why the hell O_EXCL, O_RDONLY fails on a block device Aug 24 09:33:45 or even how to list what holds the lock Aug 24 09:37:15 lock? Aug 24 09:38:12 kulve: i have a bizarre problem with udev causing open("/dev/root", O_RDONLY|O_EXCL) to fail with EBUSY Aug 24 09:38:43 fs is mounted ro and all Aug 24 09:39:20 (this happens in fsck.ext3) Aug 24 09:40:12 lsof and fuser might be able to tell who's using it Aug 24 09:40:46 why do you have the O_EXCL there? Aug 24 09:40:57 kulve: that's fsck.ext3 doing that Aug 24 09:41:26 which fails, causing boot process to stall Aug 24 09:41:33 as it cannot fsck root filesystem Aug 24 09:41:42 ah, ok Aug 24 09:41:44 it also happens with the "real" device, mmcblk1p2 Aug 24 09:56:18 would somebody instruct me how to ignore non-zero exit values in a .sh file? Aug 24 09:56:53 Mikho: program ||: Aug 24 09:57:08 I'm trying to write a postrm file, but it aborts to an unsuccessful groupdel command Aug 24 09:57:45 ||? Aug 24 09:58:46 command1 || command2 will execute command2 on a nonzero return of command1 Aug 24 09:59:38 ah, I see Aug 24 09:59:39 not sure whether that helps Aug 24 09:59:48 and : is a "always true" command Aug 24 09:59:53 i have a broken prerm here on my laptop Aug 24 09:59:54 ahhhh Aug 24 10:00:08 so I should "groupdel blah || :" Aug 24 10:00:18 ok, thanks Aug 24 10:00:25 Mikho: how many times should I say it? Aug 24 10:01:28 thanks trenka - you just fixed my laptop debian Aug 24 10:01:29 gern geschehen, pupnik Aug 24 10:01:39 * qwerty12 just uses || true Aug 24 10:01:42 trenka, had no idea what || or : meant Aug 24 10:02:49 Mikho: people write manpages for you Aug 24 10:02:57 at least for me, mpd is borked in debian sid.. Stopping Music Player Daemon: mpd failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript mpd, action "stop" failed. Aug 24 10:03:30 trenka, I got enough information now and I'm grateful Aug 24 10:05:01 sometimes scanning manpages is not the fastest way to do things, consider man gcc for instance Aug 24 10:06:48 some manpages require serious concentration and more than a few kb free RAM in your brain Aug 24 10:10:21 hello ianslip Aug 24 10:11:11 pupnik:, are you talking to me? i can't see the fnord. Aug 24 10:11:21 lol Aug 24 10:11:32 indeed. Aug 24 10:11:58 * pupnik wonders how many ppl here got that Aug 24 10:12:04 me too. Aug 24 10:12:19 I got it Aug 24 10:12:35 ...probably Aug 24 10:12:41 well done. a nice apple for you. Aug 24 10:12:54 golden, of course. Aug 24 10:16:43 RST38h: How does a Conky applet that you can't move around sound like? Aug 24 10:40:25 I'm wondering if there is any way of checking the binary compability of a shared library, without actually running the code and possibly encountering a segfault... Aug 24 10:48:19 Mikho: perhaps you could use 'file' ? I'm not expert though. Aug 24 10:49:35 "discordian popes" is one of the best band names evar Aug 24 10:50:39 pupnik: sounds good. what genre are they? Aug 24 10:52:10 don't worry, watching them on youtube now Aug 24 11:00:59 well, i'd have to peg them as avantgarde, I guess. Aug 24 11:17:07 hello Aug 24 11:17:30 i don't find irssi for nokia 770 Aug 24 11:18:05 and on maemo there is the link but not the software Aug 24 11:18:13 error 404 Aug 24 11:22:18 guess it's rotten Aug 24 11:31:48 ~geometric equations Aug 24 11:31:52 ~lart geometric equations Aug 24 11:31:52 * infobot blames geometric equations for all the evil in the world Aug 24 11:46:27 ~lart udev Aug 24 11:46:28 * infobot runs at udev with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut Aug 24 11:50:36 Stskeeps, are we frustrated just because its sunday morning? Aug 24 11:51:26 pupnik: i've just built a binary for ddate if you want to add some discordianism to your tablet. Aug 24 11:52:14 lcuk: no, frustrated over dealing with some fucked up bug in either linux kernel or in udev that locks the root file system block device :/ Aug 24 11:53:00 not good, is this for deblet? Aug 24 11:54:38 yeah. case is - have a ext2/3 filesystem as rootfs, boot normally - mounting rootfs read only and all that jazz.. in the case where the file system needs recovery (battery popped, for instance), fsck refuses to check, because something has a lock on the block device Aug 24 11:54:47 and this only happens when udev is installed Aug 24 11:55:50 it's pretty serious when a system crash causes the system to become unbootable totally Aug 24 11:55:53 :P Aug 24 11:57:19 yes sounds like it :(, unfortunately all that was way over my head, but have you had a look at what the actual lock that fsck is encountering Aug 24 11:57:54 it's not in lsof, atleast :P Aug 24 11:58:34 and linux kernel is not the easiest to get to divulge it's secrets Aug 24 11:59:26 can you compile a custom fsck and log whats triggering its failing? Aug 24 11:59:56 i ran with strace and it fails on open("/dev/mmcblk1p2", O_RDONLY|O_EXCL) Aug 24 12:00:00 with EBUSY Aug 24 12:00:01 >P Aug 24 12:00:42 theres not something funny on this device like a 5 second timeout delay or something in hardware? Aug 24 12:01:02 you'd think so - but when i run fsck in usbnet shell afterwards, even after 10 minutes, it still happens Aug 24 12:01:03 do you have the usb cable plugged in? Aug 24 12:01:29 yes, but g_file_storage isn't loaded Aug 24 12:01:39 (this is under debian) Aug 24 12:01:56 *deblet isnt it :P Aug 24 12:02:19 yeah, well, this isn't a specific deblet problem as far as i can tell, so i blame on the underlying base:P Aug 24 12:02:43 * Stskeeps ponders idly Aug 24 12:04:36 oh just saw usbnet Aug 24 12:13:26 but if anyone can solve wtf it happens, i'm buying them a pizza :P Aug 24 12:17:01 Stskeeps, wouldn't it be easier to ask this in #debian ? Aug 24 12:17:27 crashanddie: ten bucks i'll get told it's not debian Aug 24 12:17:38 deal Aug 24 12:17:58 and this channel deals with tablet issues ranging from maemo to the tablets and hacking them to do cool stuff, afaik :P Aug 24 12:18:40 btw, what's your problem exactly ? Aug 24 12:19:33 ok, I scrolled up Aug 24 12:19:52 you're trying to find out why you can't fsck on a mounted device , Aug 24 12:19:53 ? Aug 24 12:20:07 it's a mounted device, obviously, but read-only like normal OS'es Aug 24 12:20:14 crashanddie: when a mounted read-only ext2/3 filesystem on a MMC partition needs repair (usual when crashing..), fsck fails to execute due to Device or resource busy. This only happens when udev is installed. Additionally, the system is booted through a pivot_root initfs Aug 24 12:20:18 :P Aug 24 12:20:56 should be (usually *after* crashing) Aug 24 12:21:17 well, or not unmounting it cleanly Aug 24 12:21:36 that's still considered as a crash in my book Aug 24 12:21:54 well it's able to be replicated so Aug 24 12:22:16 btw Aug 24 12:22:20 are you sure it's read only ? Aug 24 12:22:36 positive Aug 24 12:22:43 i can't write to files on it either Aug 24 12:22:46 tried to write something on it ? Aug 24 12:22:46 ok Aug 24 12:24:21 and strace of fsck.ext3 claims the open(O_EXCL stuff from earlier :P Aug 24 12:24:24 with EBUSY Aug 24 12:24:39 Stskeeps, couldn't you blacklist the rootfs in udev conf ? Aug 24 12:24:59 crashanddie: there's even no mention of automounting in udev conf, so Aug 24 12:25:44 echo /dev/mmcblk1p2 >> /etc/udev/mount.blacklist Aug 24 12:25:53 been there done that, didn't help Aug 24 12:25:59 and add loglevel=8 and console=tty0 Aug 24 12:26:04 to the kernel boot parameters Aug 24 12:27:35 flasher set boot parameters won't work afaik Aug 24 12:28:21 hmm Aug 24 12:28:48 That sucks ! Aug 24 12:28:53 yup Aug 24 12:28:59 it's been haunting me for quite a while Aug 24 12:29:31 can you check if udev is done with everything ? Aug 24 12:29:40 or if it's still busy with stuff ? Aug 24 12:29:48 it's all done according to itself Aug 24 12:29:58 even 30 minutes after Aug 24 12:30:08 have you checked using a /sbin/udevsettle --timeout=10 ? Aug 24 12:32:27 it says in console it has settled, so :P Aug 24 12:33:41 Stskeeps: does lsof show anything else having the device open? Aug 24 12:33:50 jott: nop, checked Aug 24 12:35:45 Stskeeps: could it be that the device changes due to different root? (as /dev/mmcblk1 <-> /dev/mmcblk0) Aug 24 12:36:26 jott: hm, good one - but i checked device major,minor of the root device matches with the partition Aug 24 12:37:29 * Stskeeps goes ask in #debian for the sake of it. Aug 24 12:40:32 Monster.co.uk: "Please enter your Target Job Title: 'Death; Apocalypse Knight; Dictator'" Aug 24 12:41:08 crashanddie, there will be a vacancy opening up in the labour party soon Aug 24 12:41:25 I'm not a British National Aug 24 12:42:24 Well... [joins fingertips like Mr. Burns] It is only a matter of time... Aug 24 12:42:39 No but really, what is my "target job title" ? Aug 24 12:44:40 crashanddie, you are the only one who knows that Aug 24 12:45:13 oh Aug 24 12:45:20 well, erhm, I fuckeled then Aug 24 12:45:27 but i think trying for gigalo wont get you many placements :P the record breaking gurning champion is higher on the list than you Aug 24 12:45:46 not, but what are example job titles for programmer ? Aug 24 12:45:59 code monkey Aug 24 12:46:15 developer Aug 24 12:46:17 slave Aug 24 12:46:17 :P Aug 24 12:51:11 Stskeeps: just wondered about labels... Aug 24 12:51:21 is udev looking at the ext label? Aug 24 12:51:41 could that somehow stay open... Aug 24 12:52:42 thinking about how it created /dev/disk/by-name type stuff Aug 24 12:57:58 satan's enema Aug 24 12:58:05 (C)XEvil Aug 24 13:00:46 although I guess it is a marketing position Aug 24 13:03:41 GeneralAntilles: why forget gronmayer, something wrong there? any other similar repository page? Aug 24 13:05:50 thux: fms.komkon.org/Maemo Aug 24 13:17:09 thux, because having 5000 different repositories isn't a good idea Aug 24 13:17:35 ok i see Aug 24 13:18:47 nokia should set up one community repository where everybody could upload their maemos Aug 24 13:19:22 guess what? it did! Aug 24 13:20:19 really i didn't know that Aug 24 13:22:35 is anyone hungry? http://lloydandlauren.com/?page_id=863 Aug 24 13:24:08 Given that they look like regular-volume people, they feed this stuff to strangers... Aug 24 13:31:51 lbt: i tried disabling volume-id atleast Aug 24 13:32:42 but that would be my thought to Aug 24 13:32:43 o Aug 24 13:44:12 nothing better than free wifi on trains.. and screaming babies Aug 24 13:50:56 Hi Aug 24 13:51:30 morning Aug 24 13:57:09 Sts <-- must be from Finland or something Aug 24 13:59:21 RST38h: hehe. nah, it's 5pm or so in finland :P Aug 24 14:01:59 does anyone know of a simple console application which will allow me to add color to gcc compilation logs? i want something i can pipe through and highlight errors Aug 24 14:03:25 colorgcc :D Aug 24 14:04:44 why not write your own perl script? Aug 24 14:05:13 sts: Some weird socialist state then. California? Aug 24 14:07:00 1) i dont know perl, 2) this is wrote in perl already. i knew i wasnt the first, but my initial google foo was in the wrong direction Aug 24 14:08:09 RST38h: .dk Aug 24 14:08:14 only takes a few minutes to write anyways Aug 24 14:08:37 Sts: 16:08 in Denmark Aug 24 14:08:39 yeah Aug 24 14:08:45 not morning =) Aug 24 14:08:50 feels like it Aug 24 14:08:50 :P Aug 24 14:08:58 Just two hours behind Aug 24 14:09:00 was up till fucking late messsing around with fsck Aug 24 14:09:51 never a good idea Aug 24 14:12:04 fscking around with it even? Aug 24 14:12:17 * johnx ducks Aug 24 14:12:29 hey Stskeeps, m00 RST38h :D Aug 24 14:12:34 boo, johnx Aug 24 14:12:56 'lo johnxx Aug 24 14:12:59 -x Aug 24 14:13:12 johnx: i suspect udev is messing around a bit :P Aug 24 14:13:20 interesting Aug 24 14:13:22 if i remove udev, fsck problem cannot be replicated Aug 24 14:13:28 I wonder why we didn't hit it before Aug 24 14:13:37 in beta3 or earlier in beta4... Aug 24 14:13:42 beta3 was mounted rw Aug 24 14:13:50 in bootmenu.conf Aug 24 14:14:06 the fsck bug has been around almost since the start :P Aug 24 14:16:01 i'm thinking to just default it with rw and let the boot process remount the stuff ro while it should Aug 24 14:16:08 even if that's not the correct technical solution Aug 24 14:16:46 Stskeeps, sounds good to me, but I always take the path of least resistance Aug 24 14:18:09 well since it's a showstopper to any kind of decent release, i dont mind least resistance :P Aug 24 14:19:19 jott, I'm about to start working on the progress bar :P Aug 24 14:26:45 * Stskeeps shakes his head Aug 24 14:26:48 rw didn't fix it Aug 24 14:26:51 * esworp is in a conundrum. Aug 24 14:26:54 :] Aug 24 14:27:34 bleb.org appears down, hwich is the home of the osx gui solution for flashing the firmware. Aug 24 14:27:56 has anyone got a copy of the flasher.app? I could really use it presently. Aug 24 14:30:15 wow. crickets chirping. Aug 24 14:30:18 :p Aug 24 14:31:11 maybe someone at ITT posted a mirror.. dumdedumdum... Aug 24 14:33:50 garage.maemo.org Aug 24 14:33:50 666 projects, 13410 users Aug 24 14:33:52 hah. Aug 24 14:33:57 :) Aug 24 14:34:31 Well, the maemo.org front page says 666, the garage.maemo.org front page says 662 Aug 24 14:34:38 and 13,513 users Aug 24 14:35:19 Maemo, sponsored by the devil Aug 24 14:41:49 whee I am getting good at typing on my N800 Aug 24 14:42:13 I wish it could autocorrect spelling mistakes. Aug 24 14:42:31 Like just now I typed "wprry" instead of "worry" Aug 24 14:45:55 probably the devil didn't correct that error because at no point in this discussion have you had to use the word "worry" whatsoever Aug 24 14:46:31 :P I am using my PC to talk in this channel Aug 24 14:46:52 Remember, the devil is just a demon, he's not like that sod of a God who "Knows it all" Aug 24 15:05:44 i read that as 'whee I am getting wood at typing on my N800' Aug 24 15:06:18 * pupnik ponders a random auto-miscorrect hildon input method Aug 24 15:10:46 s/wood/pood? Aug 24 15:11:19 nm Aug 24 15:23:29 * esworp looks at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/ and sees significant problems. Aug 24 15:24:04 the links to he downloads for the gui and cli flashers are missing. Aug 24 15:24:18 a google of the apps indicates the server hosting the fils is offline as of aug 15thish. Aug 24 15:25:10 so... who at nokia should I talk to? what are the odds that hey'll say 'go buy a windows machine...' Aug 24 15:25:24 not windows per se Aug 24 15:25:31 yeah, my bad.. Aug 24 15:25:44 well, the thing is, I don't believe Nokia cares about the Mac flasher Aug 24 15:25:56 they don't provide it, so they'll probably wash their hands off it Aug 24 15:26:19 that seems sorta not-in-the-spirit of the tablet, doesn't it? Aug 24 15:26:30 erhm Aug 24 15:26:34 no Aug 24 15:26:51 You can't ask Nokia to endorse all the third party apps possible, right Aug 24 15:26:58 i don't want them to support them.. Aug 24 15:27:05 just host the durn 630k file. Aug 24 15:27:08 So if hosting for a third party app goes down, it's not their problem, and rightfully so Aug 24 15:27:36 Your only chance is finding a charitable soul in the Maemo community who would have a copy of it Aug 24 15:27:44 Or just contact the website owner and ask for it by email Aug 24 15:27:54 i asked when i entered the chat room. :\ Aug 24 15:28:16 Yeah but IRC is not really a good representation of the community Aug 24 15:28:18 post on ITT Aug 24 15:28:22 i will. Aug 24 15:28:42 But I really don't think you should expect Nokia hosting something they didn't write Aug 24 15:28:57 especially for a consumer device, that's bound to cause problems Aug 24 15:30:18 i'm suprised, really. I was under the impression that a nokia staffer wrote it on thier free time. that, added to the notion that the less use I get out of this thing, the more likely I am to take my money to someone who make it easier to use with my setup (iphone ) Aug 24 15:31:31 Listen, I'm just trying to be helpful Aug 24 15:32:06 i'm not arguing or trying to get a rise out of yah, man. I appreciate the help. Aug 24 15:32:29 If someone from Nokia wrote it on their freetime, perfect, awesome, I'm sure it'll work fine, but as it has not been written by Nokia, and thus, Nokia doesn't own any rights on it, I don't see why they would risk hosting something, because, sadly, in our world, hosting = endorsing Aug 24 15:32:53 would the same go for the maemo community? Aug 24 15:33:00 I'm sorry if support for Macs is sketchy, but ranting about it, and saying you're going to buy yet some more Apple hardware, well, that's not going to change a damned thing Aug 24 15:33:13 i will expect to see /someone/ (me?) in the community take up the flame in terms of hosting the app. :] Aug 24 15:33:30 ~flashing Aug 24 15:33:30 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 24 15:33:40 That would be good, indeed Aug 24 15:33:51 What do you mean the macos x flashers have gone? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Aug 24 15:34:05 770Flasher should be hosted on maemo.org Aug 24 15:34:23 i didn't say they were gone.. but the meamo community page on how to flash had the links removed. Aug 24 15:34:29 the sentence ended with blank spaces. Aug 24 15:34:34 :] Aug 24 15:34:37 esworp, did you somehow miss the GIANT 'this wiki is deprecated message'? Aug 24 15:34:42 yup Aug 24 15:34:44 :] Aug 24 15:34:52 <--- not a morning person. Aug 24 15:35:18 770Flasher is just a GUI wrapper for Nokia's flasher. Aug 24 15:35:30 Made by Jaffa, a community person. Aug 24 15:36:02 lemme know if you bump into it. Aug 24 15:37:11 Just use the console flasher Aug 24 15:37:25 The instructions are right there. Aug 24 15:37:28 i am in the middle of that. Aug 24 15:37:46 * esworp was ranting? wow. Aug 24 15:39:32 GAN800, quite a storm you are havin over there Aug 24 15:39:45 'support' consists of flashing software. Aug 24 15:39:46 Fay? Aug 24 15:40:01 lcuk, what storm? Aug 24 15:40:14 I've gotten about an inch of rain. :P Aug 24 15:40:35 it was a total non-event here in the pandhandle. Aug 24 15:40:43 yes fay, werent you covering your windows Aug 24 15:40:53 No Aug 24 15:41:10 Not for a tropical storm that went in waay sough Aug 24 15:41:13 and sinking the chairs Aug 24 15:41:16 i bought a little more beer, in case of... a bonring rainy day. Aug 24 15:41:17 s/sough/south/ Aug 24 15:41:17 GAN800 meant: Not for a tropical storm that went in waay south Aug 24 15:41:38 Sank the chairs when I thought it was coming here Aug 24 15:42:08 Was ready to board if it went into the Gulf and got up around a cat3 Aug 24 15:42:42 But it didn't. ;) Cuba tore it to pieces then it went straight for more land. Aug 24 15:43:30 * GAN800 is really really tired of the cyrillic spam. Aug 24 15:43:34 what part of the state are you in? Aug 24 15:44:25 St. Pete Aug 24 15:44:41 i am in the panhandle presently, but used to work for noaa in the keys. Aug 24 15:45:07 We never actually get storms, even though all the predictions continually say they're coming here. Aug 24 15:45:08 something about living on a 4 foot tall island has you watching the forecasts, eh? Aug 24 15:46:25 Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2) Aug 24 15:46:33 that means... bogus download? Aug 24 15:46:37 corrupted file? Aug 24 15:49:37 Corrupt Aug 24 15:49:47 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2325 Aug 24 15:49:56 Safari likes to chew up the downloads for some reason Aug 24 15:50:08 an ooooooolllld post about this error presenting with the old installer Aug 24 15:50:17 There's an md5 you shoukd check it against. Aug 24 15:50:20 yah Aug 24 15:50:35 i dont use safari Aug 24 15:50:40 but yah. Aug 24 15:51:27 Did you download flasher.macosx or flasher-2.0.macosx? Aug 24 15:52:02 * esworp looks Aug 24 15:52:25 RST38h, your claim about the bug isn't correct. Aug 24 15:52:32 pfft.. Aug 24 15:52:35 * esworp is retarded. Aug 24 15:52:37 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3629 Aug 24 15:53:00 Extras downloads are counted Aug 24 15:53:18 and if they're not, well, that's a REAL bug. Aug 24 16:17:08 Is there a good kernel project, which provides a complete ready-for-end-user kernel, easily installable through app manager? Aug 24 16:18:47 zap: official kernel is not ready for end user? Aug 24 16:19:24 it is ok for most users, but it has connection tracking disabled and this cannot be cured by building just modules Aug 24 16:19:34 BTobotras: great persons here, nice to meet :) Aug 24 16:19:44 B == Boris? Aug 24 16:20:52 indeed Aug 24 16:21:00 zap, the community-kernels project is working on that. Aug 24 16:21:16 GAN800: cool. Who I should contact? :) Aug 24 16:21:26 fanoush's kernels are really easy to install as long as you can follow instructions. Aug 24 16:21:43 zap, well, uh, probably fanoush Aug 24 16:21:52 or maybe trickie Aug 24 16:22:02 ty Aug 24 16:22:02 or qwerty12 Aug 24 16:22:22 qwerty12 is packing a kernel for rotation support. Aug 24 16:22:54 Anybody of the project is going to visit maemo summit? Aug 24 16:23:11 Probabky trickie Aug 24 16:23:17 maybe we can make just a single kernel, and pack features separately in modules Aug 24 16:23:22 Dunno about fanoush. Aug 24 16:23:41 fanoush.. sounds like something yummy at a curry restraunt Aug 24 16:23:53 I'm just thinking if it's useful to go there, see, there are a lot of kernel related activity in community Aug 24 16:24:03 "can I have the fanoush? ... extra fennel!" Aug 24 16:24:40 "and put some esworp on top" :) Aug 24 16:24:47 hehe Aug 24 16:27:03 esworp_, you don't know fanoush? Aug 24 16:27:15 nope.. not terribly 'hip' or 'cool'. Aug 24 16:27:21 where I can find him btw? Aug 24 16:27:37 * zap wonders why everybody on this planet does not use irc Aug 24 16:27:39 thux: Aug 24 16:27:41 ~extras Aug 24 16:27:41 extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Aug 24 16:28:01 zap, on the lists or through Garage or itT or something Aug 24 16:28:05 He's mostly everwhere Aug 24 16:28:14 It's just that he has, you know, a life and a job and such. ;) Aug 24 16:28:19 i don't usually zero in on the names so much. Aug 24 16:28:33 * zap sometimes has a life too :) Aug 24 16:28:49 esworp_, he's been around forever and is pretty much the first and foremost Maemo kernel hacker. :) Aug 24 16:29:21 does he have maemo groupies? "OMG he touched me!!" Aug 24 16:29:23 Did Planet stop updating again or are Maemo bloggers just being lame? Aug 24 16:29:31 "I'll never wash my stylus again." Aug 24 16:29:51 seriously, though.. the kernel stuff HAS to be hard. Aug 24 16:30:11 out of all the code manifestations.. the hardware side freaks me out the most. Aug 24 16:56:40 Hey does USB Control not work on diablo? Aug 24 16:57:39 Is there an error? . . . Aug 24 16:58:19 Won't install Aug 24 16:58:43 That's not an error. . . . Aug 24 16:58:44 Says incompable package Aug 24 16:59:21 Sorry slow typing on tabet Aug 24 17:00:19 AFBN810, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21376&page=2 that may or may not be useful. Aug 24 17:02:08 hi Aug 24 17:02:33 my n810 is missing ldconfig can not install the qt4 packages because of that. should i install some other pakcage before? Aug 24 17:03:13 GA... igot it working eventually ...thnx for the help :) Aug 24 17:04:55 alson will a gamepad work with the n810 and usb control? Aug 24 17:06:12 i am putting a quik guide together for the process if u would be interested in it for the wiki Aug 24 17:12:22 DanielW: ldconfig is in binutils afaicr Aug 24 17:12:59 moontiger, I misspoke last night. Python is NOT officially supported. ;) Aug 24 17:13:14 Wiki page sounds great. Aug 24 17:13:33 DanielW: no, it is in glibc Aug 24 17:13:41 so I guess it is on the system Aug 24 17:13:46 /sbin/ldconfig Aug 24 17:15:15 GAN: Who would think... Aug 24 17:15:24 Given how much stuff uses it Aug 24 17:16:45 AFBN810: yes, i've seen USB joysticks on N810s Aug 24 17:16:54 make that singular, not plural Aug 24 17:17:26 plural is possible with an USB hub Aug 24 17:18:25 pupnik do you know if it needs any extra software to make it work or is it just the gamepad I'm trying Aug 24 17:19:06 if its a standard HID device then it should work without any extra software, if it doesn't require more power than what the port can supply Aug 24 17:20:48 RST38h, Python isn't actually shipped or developed by Nokia. Aug 24 17:21:21 This is just a cheap gamepad that says no file system found when I plug it in Aug 24 17:21:41 well there usually arent filesystems on gamepads so that doesnt matter :P Aug 24 17:21:51 Normal, ignore that. Aug 24 17:21:57 It's just being pedantic. :P Aug 24 17:22:05 gamepads with fs'es.. he Aug 24 17:22:06 h Aug 24 17:24:25 ok I didn't even try it I knew there was no file system on a gamepad just nthought it might had thought it was a usb drive or something Aug 24 17:24:51 is there an easy way to make screenshots? Aug 24 17:26:41 think there's osso-screenshot or something Aug 24 17:26:50 http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/10/03/different-ways-of-taking-screenshots-in-nokia-n800/ Aug 24 17:27:00 (guess who wondered that) Aug 24 17:27:24 that would be good to port to the wiki DanielW - it's on my list :) Aug 24 17:30:31 http://www.fredoneverything.net/Military101.shtml Aug 24 17:34:39 i know ga but they do have examples and they do push it as a dev option Aug 24 17:34:43 thats why they should have at least the packaging and dist stuff too Aug 24 17:34:45 imo anyways Aug 24 17:34:55 :) Aug 24 17:35:43 "they" Aug 24 17:35:52 Nokia certainly doesn't push it Aug 24 17:36:16 Remember, maemo.org isn't Nokia. Aug 24 17:36:17 yes they do they have it on the nokia web site Aug 24 17:37:22 Link? Aug 24 17:37:56 il find in a bit when i get out of bed ...gimme 20mins Aug 24 17:38:43 brb Aug 24 17:39:03 ~30-2-changelog is http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/changelog.html Aug 24 17:39:04 GeneralAntilles: okay Aug 24 17:40:13 Good afternoon Aug 24 17:41:51 I am looking for a couple of packages. For example libmysqlclient1.2-dev for Chinook. According to gronmayer.com the file should be in http://repository.maemo.org/extras . But adding that line to my sources.list in the maemo appliance does not find the libmysqlclient1.2-dev Aug 24 17:41:59 Anyone has an idea, what I might do wrong? Aug 24 17:46:01 possy, Extras is included by default Aug 24 17:46:10 Erm, scratchbox Aug 24 17:46:12 Nevermind Aug 24 17:46:41 * GeneralAntilles demands that Nokia bugs mentioned in public changelogs be made public. Aug 24 17:47:35 GeneralAntilles, yes, it is, but I can't find it using apt-cache search Aug 24 17:48:12 probably has to do with the architecture. I just downloaded the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/m/mysql-dfsg/libmysqlclient12-dev_4.0.24-10sarge2_armel.deb file, but got an error regarding not matching my system Aug 24 17:48:22 (armel) does not match system (i386) Aug 24 17:48:39 Hrm, where should I file a bug bitching about mentioning Nokia bug numbers in changelogs. . . . Aug 24 17:51:51 hmm. any of you ever used initfs hacks to redirect console to a usbserial? Aug 24 17:52:32 GeneralAntilles, forget what I just said. I am just too stupid! Aug 24 17:52:58 GeneralAntilles, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Developing_Python_Applications_for_maemo Aug 24 17:56:16 Wiki Aug 24 17:56:19 Not quite official Aug 24 17:59:32 ummmmm its on nokia.com and it has their logos all over it Aug 24 17:59:40 sure looks like its blessed to me Aug 24 17:59:59 and i sure dont see any "NOT OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED" banners anywhere Aug 24 18:00:19 anyways..... Aug 24 18:00:46 my point is there could be some more docs explaining the process and im happy to make them up ... if you would want them in the wiki Aug 24 18:00:48 :) Aug 24 18:01:11 then at least i would feel i paid back for my frustration Aug 24 18:01:36 Is a wiki EVER officially blessed? :\ Aug 24 18:01:56 well if they DON'T like them they sure as hell say so Aug 24 18:02:15 wiki.forum.nokia.com is official part of their dev relations/site Aug 24 18:02:22 i think its like google's perpetual betas ... it means nobody can criticize them but they get the good stuff from it Aug 24 18:09:50 moontiger Aug 24 18:10:13 ? Aug 24 18:10:35 i am Pavlz Aug 24 18:10:39 Be happy that they've put any resources AT ALL into it. Aug 24 18:11:24 i turned back now in chat Aug 24 18:13:09 GeneralAntilles, im not trying to start a lawsuit or anything ... i just pointed out where some of my frustration came from Aug 24 18:13:16 and you asked for the link Aug 24 18:13:21 no big deal to me Aug 24 18:13:24 :) Aug 24 18:13:54 i wanted to write up a page detailing how to do the python packaging thing is all and wondered if you would be interested for the wiki Aug 24 18:14:00 hi pavlz :) Aug 24 18:15:12 moontiger: You should probably talk to Jaffa and/or Khertan Aug 24 18:15:37 RST38h, its cool i got it all figured out now ... my app is up in the repos Aug 24 18:15:40 moontiger: Jaffa is behind the python maemo packager, Khertan is the guy most actively using it afaik Aug 24 18:15:53 but i was going to write a wiki page detailing the process for others Aug 24 18:16:06 moontiger: what did you develop btw? been watching the talk here so :P Aug 24 18:16:07 moontiger: Jaffa should also be able to tell you where to place the wiki page Aug 24 18:16:12 * GeneralAntilles shoots his changelog rant off towards -developers. Aug 24 18:16:24 mgcal ... just a home screen applet for seeing your google calendar Aug 24 18:16:33 RST38h, what makes you say Jaffa has anything to do with Python on Maemo? Aug 24 18:16:34 something i needed and a learning experience for me Aug 24 18:16:37 That's INdT. Aug 24 18:16:39 moontiger: ah, sounds handy Aug 24 18:16:45 GAN: I remember he was behind the packager Aug 24 18:16:55 May be wrong of course Aug 24 18:16:56 No, that's MUD Builder Aug 24 18:16:56 it has lots more features coming but i wanted to get the first version out Aug 24 18:17:08 http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 24 18:17:21 ah Aug 24 18:17:32 with khertans py2deb mod and some trial and error it works well but getting there is a journey Aug 24 18:17:35 I'm not seeing a way to register to wiki.maemo.org Aug 24 18:17:53 liri, it tells you how to register on the login page Aug 24 18:17:59 it = the packaging process Aug 24 18:17:59 It uses the Garage accounts. Aug 24 18:18:23 btw id appreciate some feedback if anybody cares to :) Aug 24 18:18:30 GeneralAntilles: I'm not seeing that it says that but ok :) Aug 24 18:20:50 ok, I'm in, thanks. Aug 24 18:22:02 liri, looks like the notice was removed or overwritten or something Aug 24 18:22:09 It WAS there. . . . :\ Aug 24 18:22:37 GeneralAntilles: alright, so add it :) Aug 24 18:23:33 liri, I can't. Aug 24 18:23:37 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236 Aug 24 18:24:11 GeneralAntilles: I'm documenting how I got pykaraoke to work on the n810 which provides karaoke functionality to the tablet Aug 24 18:24:24 Just N810? Aug 24 18:24:39 GeneralAntilles: do you think a proper name for the page is how_to_install_pykaraoke or something more general like how_to_get_a_karaoke_machine ? Aug 24 18:24:51 GeneralAntilles: well it might work on the n800 too but I don't have one to test it :) Aug 24 18:26:08 They're identical except for the keyboard Aug 24 18:26:20 GeneralAntilles: so it should work Aug 24 18:26:29 Installing pykaraoke Aug 24 18:26:50 My point being, try not to limit it to a subset of devices unless it actually requires that subset. ;) Aug 24 18:27:02 GeneralAntilles: I read ya Aug 24 18:27:49 GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking that I got a good set of midi files (33mb) installed on my desktop (from which I got the procedure going in the first place) through some other package, I'll try to track where I got it from Aug 24 18:29:10 I just went through and fixed a bunch of old articles that were for "N810-only" or "N800-only" and weren't actually anything of the sort, so. . . . :P Aug 24 18:32:30 hmm, anybody can try invoking "dpkg -s iptables" ? Aug 24 18:32:45 osso-software-version-rx44-locked depends on it, but for some reason it's not installed here? Aug 24 18:35:56 where can i find the old application catalogue ? Aug 24 18:36:34 "application catalog" ? Aug 24 18:37:02 yes Aug 24 18:38:02 quassel on maemo: http://arch.der-winti.de/quasseln810/ :-) Aug 24 18:38:48 needs work. Aug 24 18:38:48 for nokia 770 Aug 24 18:38:52 user_, what I mean to say is, "What, exactly, do you mean by 'application catalogue"? Aug 24 18:39:16 irssi for nokia 770 Aug 24 18:39:57 * GeneralAntilles is taking the easy way out: http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 Aug 24 18:40:07 it is not in any of the repos Aug 24 18:41:05 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/irssi/ Aug 24 18:44:56 Not found Aug 24 18:46:26 wee, #maemo on the nit Aug 24 18:47:15 * Grackle_ got better at typing on the n800 very quickly after he started ircing with it Aug 24 18:51:53 sometimes i just wonder about ITT.. "What partition do I install deblet in?" Aug 24 18:52:12 Stskeeps, run and keep running Aug 24 18:52:15 itT is a hellhole Aug 24 18:52:26 GeneralAntilles: it is, but some of the people on there aren't bad Aug 24 18:52:37 .. it's also a good place to retrieve guinea pigs to try out evil experiments Aug 24 18:53:00 Some of them, but most of the useful people are on here anyway. Aug 24 18:53:05 and the rest need to be recruited. Aug 24 18:53:20 i agree.. things would be a lot easier with people on here Aug 24 18:53:27 i'm getting tired of ITT's private message stuff Aug 24 18:53:31 Hehe Aug 24 18:53:37 Tell them to get on here Aug 24 18:53:45 I recruited sjgadsby and Benson Aug 24 18:54:01 oh, never saw benson on here, .. i think Aug 24 18:54:53 He was here for about a week, then dropped off for some reason. Aug 24 18:54:59 Bug qole, though. Aug 24 18:55:19 yeah, qole really needs to be on to discuss once in a while :P Aug 24 18:56:03 * Stskeeps runs strace on udev start just to have some reading for tonight Aug 24 19:00:29 Stskeeps, a cure for insomnia Aug 24 19:02:33 * johnx runs the latest version of deblet installer, puts off sleep for a bit Aug 24 19:03:28 okay, i've definately confirmed it's udev doing it :P Aug 24 19:04:29 ah, so we have a culprit Aug 24 19:29:46 !seen qwerty12 Aug 24 19:30:10 ARGG!!! Aug 24 19:30:26 * Stskeeps sends liri off to the mental asylum Aug 24 19:30:49 I wrote the entire page on the wiki and accidently hit the back button on the browser, then I went forward back to the edit page and it's all GONE Aug 24 19:30:51 GGEZ Aug 24 19:31:00 these kind of things can drive me mad! Aug 24 19:31:06 * liri gonna take a shower to cool off Aug 24 19:31:29 liri, after the shower set your browser to store POST data Aug 24 19:31:46 same thing happened to me so many freaking times... ;/ Aug 24 19:38:58 johnx: how is that done in firefox? Aug 24 19:39:09 brb, gone to the shower Aug 24 19:41:20 liri, I did it through tab mix plus, but I'm pretty sure it's available in about:config Aug 24 19:41:38 something about "store unlimted post data" Aug 24 19:42:03 Garage now has 666 projects. Aug 24 19:42:12 It is Apocalypse time!!! Aug 24 19:43:11 Woo! Aug 24 19:43:14 ~seen qwerty12 Aug 24 19:43:17 qwerty12 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9h 26m 34s ago, saying: 'RST38h: How does a Conky applet that you can't move around sound like?'. Aug 24 19:45:32 GeneralAntilles: sorry, commented with the missing details :) Aug 24 19:47:15 Yeah, just read that. Thanks! Aug 24 19:47:31 sure, you're welcome Aug 24 19:47:44 I just hoped I can add that later. Aug 24 19:47:56 hrm, someone here have the latest ssu? Aug 24 19:47:57 You well enough to check over this for any glaring errors? http://maemo.org/development/bugs/ Aug 24 19:48:04 timeless, I do. Aug 24 19:48:05 I'm really feeling like I am watching myself from the outside today... Aug 24 19:48:14 Hehe Aug 24 19:48:31 Load up on the Nyqil and sleep the day away. ;) Aug 24 19:51:02 GeneralAntilles: Looks good to me. Aug 24 19:51:14 Excellent! Aug 24 19:51:25 I went through and fixed most of the stuff in the development section Aug 24 19:51:55 Rather generic and the basics -- but no problems with that, and it doesn't claim anything wrong either. ;) Aug 24 19:52:28 IMHO it always is a good idea to mention these guidelines more than once. :) Aug 24 19:52:37 guenther, more sounds good to me. Aug 24 19:52:45 I just wasn't feeling particularly inspired. Aug 24 19:53:11 * guenther nods Aug 24 19:53:40 Hey, at the very least, it is a really good start. Aug 24 19:53:48 Mostly that was a branding and glaring typo fix, but some refinement would help a lot. Aug 24 19:53:57 We can always add more details, if appropriate. Aug 24 19:55:32 hmm... Aug 24 19:55:51 First thing that comes to mind for adding details: Aug 24 19:56:03 Community projects, etc. Aug 24 19:56:40 Currently it mentions the "Maemo platform" only. Aug 24 19:57:04 oh Aug 24 19:57:10 "Note! You will need an account in order to access bugzilla." Aug 24 19:57:15 That's not exactly true. Aug 24 19:57:25 s/access/file bugs/ # ;) Aug 24 19:57:47 Reading is free (as in beer and account). Aug 24 19:58:29 Yeah, I was saving the "and community projects" for whenever the new templates go live. :P Aug 24 19:59:09 Fixed the note Aug 24 19:59:29 cool Aug 24 19:59:41 right, we can add stuff later Aug 24 19:59:50 I know I shouldn't today. Aug 24 19:59:57 How are those templates coming, anyway? :p Aug 24 20:00:12 * guenther should not write anything public right now... Aug 24 20:00:20 What templates? Aug 24 20:00:43 For the Garage tracking in Bugzilla Aug 24 20:00:52 The new bug submission form templates. Aug 24 20:01:11 er... delayed Aug 24 20:01:30 I'm hacking on the stuff to get bugzilla in shape before the summit. :) Aug 24 20:02:10 lol Aug 24 20:02:11 When I'm done with the current hacking, mostly the filed bugs part of this Sprint, I'll take care about the Garage migration. Aug 24 20:02:19 * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to run out of inertia on the Garage stuff. Aug 24 20:02:24 OK, cool. Aug 24 20:03:19 GAN: Downloads from a repo do not increment Garage downloads counter Aug 24 20:03:25 yeah, I understand... probably another week or so, until I get some time Aug 24 20:03:27 Bug report submitted Aug 24 20:04:25 Hrm, I want a favicon with transparency. Aug 24 20:05:11 guenther, that would be nice Aug 24 20:05:18 The white corners are ugly on a gray toolbar Aug 24 20:05:25 exactly Aug 24 20:05:41 RST38h, there wont be any progress on that until at least September 6th Aug 24 20:05:51 Since Download's is X-Fade's domain. Aug 24 20:06:15 IIRC one can use PNGs, though that would be some other way to get a favicon, not the exact same as currently used. Aug 24 20:06:20 s/Download's/Downloads/ Aug 24 20:06:20 GeneralAntilles meant: Since Downloads is X-Fade's domain. Aug 24 20:06:29 Dunno how IE handles it, though... Aug 24 20:06:54 Personally, I'd hope it would choke on it and die. Aug 24 20:07:00 ah Aug 24 20:07:14 heh Aug 24 20:07:51 favicon is an .ico file [eeeek] Aug 24 20:08:05 and .ico files may contain transparency Aug 24 20:08:17 they can? Aug 24 20:08:28 http://mxr.maemo.org/mxr.png Aug 24 20:08:28 yes, you can set a separate mask Aug 24 20:09:21 That works as a favicon, too. Aug 24 20:10:35 GeneralAntilles: The problem with that very png is, that it is too big -- which results in sub-obtimal smoothness. Aug 24 20:11:14 Yeah, but it looks hot in places that use big favicons. Like bookmarks, etc. ;) Aug 24 20:11:36 you can have multiple icons in an ico file Aug 24 20:11:42 small one + big one Aug 24 20:12:18 infobot: you talk? Aug 24 20:12:24 hmm, is that how the N810 default bookmarks get the large icons? Aug 24 20:13:19 seen x-fade Aug 24 20:13:49 infobot: seen x-fade? Aug 24 20:13:51 x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 6h 59m 23s), last said: 'murrayc: Probably later this day.'. Aug 24 20:14:14 liri: if you installed the Live HTTP Headers then you can often do a replay and grab the post data in the event that the server times out or goes down. Worth having for when you need it ;) Aug 24 20:14:25 MishaS, he's on vacation. Aug 24 20:14:42 GeneralAntilles, thank you :) Aug 24 20:14:43 MishaS: use ~seen :) Aug 24 20:14:48 September 6th Aug 24 20:15:02 If you need help with Extras (FBReader, right?), hit up Ed Bartosh. Aug 24 20:15:09 GeneralAntilles, aha... good. Aug 24 20:15:18 GeneralAntilles, I was wondering about the download stats :D Aug 24 20:15:32 Yeah, RST38h is having trouble, too. Aug 24 20:15:33 qwerty12_N800, aha! thanks :) Aug 24 20:15:49 * MishaS does not really have a trouble... :) Aug 24 20:15:58 * MishaS just wonders if those "2 weeks" are really 2 weeks... Aug 24 20:17:05 moo, qwerty Aug 24 20:17:16 Not trouble, just finding them incomplete Aug 24 20:17:35 RST38h, well, the stats from Extras seem to be being counted for adv-backlight. Aug 24 20:17:39 hey RST38h. I kinda made conky into an applet... Aug 24 20:17:54 qwerty: Seen it, haven't installed it yet Aug 24 20:18:12 Given that people report it flickering, not sure if I want to... Aug 24 20:18:14 qwerty12_N800, what's the word on microb-pageupdown? Aug 24 20:18:42 RST38h: happened with the last version as well :/ Aug 24 20:18:44 GAN: Maybe I am mistaking, dunno Aug 24 20:18:53 qwerty: yes, that is why I had to remove it Aug 24 20:19:30 qwerty: basically, using a plain XWindow for it is wrong, I think. You have to use whatever applets use Aug 24 20:19:33 timeless didn't know what was happening. Aug 24 20:20:02 GeneralAntilles: Not sure, i'm not sure if it's just it's one person having problems or if it is a problem as a result of the update. Aug 24 20:20:10 RST38h, be cool if the "downloads xxxx times" were a link to a page with a breakdown of where that number comes from. Aug 24 20:20:12 RST38h: true >.< Aug 24 20:20:27 "xxx from Diablo Extras, xxx from Chinook Extras, xxx from .install" Aug 24 20:20:41 qwerty12_N800, I get: http://slexy.org/view/s21par6CIw Aug 24 20:20:56 snav is enabled and dpad moves line-by-line rather than page-by-page. Aug 24 20:21:09 So, uh, I have it installed, but it's showing the default dpad behavior. Aug 24 20:22:01 Hmm, the sed lines must have changed. i can repack debs off the tablet, i'll take a look. Aug 24 20:24:17 GeneralAntilles: I think timeless has put out a fix but not packaged it. Could you run dpkg -s microb-pageupdown and tell me the version number? Thanks. Aug 24 20:24:24 GAN: Yea, but the breakdown page may be too time consuming to do Aug 24 20:24:51 + I kinda doubt the current system stores information on individual downloads Aug 24 20:29:50 hrw Aug 24 20:30:23 hi Aug 24 20:33:32 qwerty12_N800: 0.1 Aug 24 20:33:41 Welcome back, hrw. :) Aug 24 20:34:09 GeneralAntilles: yep, he's got files for a 0.2. i'll package it up... Aug 24 20:34:16 hey hrw Aug 24 20:34:40 * qwerty12_N800 has yet to install n800 emulation. i'm a lazy asshole. Aug 24 20:35:53 http://cbs3.com/local/kimberly.jernigan.second.2.801089.html Aug 24 20:36:04 Woman Attempts to Kidnap Ex-Virtual Boyfriend! Aug 24 20:36:11 [and yes, she is ugly like hell] Aug 24 20:39:45 man thats a weird story Aug 24 20:40:29 most dailyrotten.com stories are weird Aug 24 20:41:23 RST38h: any news about your great calc? :) Aug 24 20:46:45 zap: released it Aug 24 20:46:54 zap: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ Aug 24 20:46:59 any changes wrt the version you gave me? Aug 24 20:47:11 The Garage page is up and I will make itt announcement as soon as it pops up in Extras Aug 24 20:47:18 cool Aug 24 20:47:22 zap: Screen size now changes properly Aug 24 20:47:28 megacool :) Aug 24 20:47:37 buttons are still same size? Aug 24 20:47:39 a few other things you reported have been fixed I think Aug 24 20:47:47 buttons become bigger in full screen mode Aug 24 20:48:03 good. My fingers are a bit too large for buttons in windowed mode :) Aug 24 20:48:08 I added labels in the plotter mode for the range selection Aug 24 20:48:14 zap: Grow nails =) Aug 24 20:48:26 I can't, I eat them regularily :) Aug 24 20:48:28 * RST38h can't press anything with his fingers Aug 24 20:48:43 can't even invoke finger keyboard Aug 24 20:49:05 you calculate using the stylus? Aug 24 20:49:13 yep. or a nail. Aug 24 20:49:37 I like how it takes derivatives :) Aug 24 20:49:49 I think singularities detection still does not work right though Aug 24 20:49:56 So some graphs look funny Aug 24 20:51:46 still asks for the folder on upgrade :) Aug 24 20:52:13 yea, I did not experiment with that option Aug 24 20:52:40 kinda afraid to, given how far from the "official template" my deb setup is Aug 24 20:53:13 I can help you with packaging, last months I made a lot of them Aug 24 20:54:44 I made the packaging stuff work Aug 24 20:55:06 But really hated the way it is overdesigned Aug 24 20:55:23 actually its really easy Aug 24 20:55:35 just don't use the dh_make template :) Aug 24 20:55:48 if you use cdbs, it's way easier to make packages Aug 24 20:56:32 hmm, if you enter, say, "8*" and then press F1 and choose, say "sin(x)" it will enter a carriage return Aug 24 20:56:38 is that how it's desiged to work? Aug 24 20:57:00 yep Aug 24 20:57:19 what if I want to enter 8*sin*cos? Aug 24 20:57:22 always enters the current input beforeapplying whatever Fx function you have chosen Aug 24 20:57:27 GeneralAntilles: Odd, i installed microb-pageupdown 0.1 fine, just stopped browserd manually by init. Here's version 0.2 anyway : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/microb-pageupdown-0.2.deb Aug 24 20:57:28 sin of what? Aug 24 20:57:46 x cannot be assumed Aug 24 20:57:54 I cannot enter anything after sin Aug 24 20:57:56 even the current version will let you enter other vars Aug 24 20:58:00 because after sin it does CR automatically Aug 24 20:58:11 enter: Aug 24 20:58:22 well, '=' Aug 24 20:58:37 8 | x sin | * = Aug 24 20:58:47 or open the keyboard and type 8*sin(x) Aug 24 20:59:19 hmm Aug 24 20:59:21 qwerty12_N800, http://slexy.org/view/s20rlC9FZL Aug 24 20:59:34 it partially works kind of reverse polish notation Aug 24 20:59:41 and partially like normal expressions Aug 24 20:59:55 I guess the confusion is because of the fact that I support both direct and polish notations Aug 24 21:00:06 depending on the input Aug 24 21:00:06 yep Aug 24 21:00:31 bunanson is such a spaz. Aug 24 21:01:16 given how few buttons are in the on-screen keypad, semi-polish notation looks like a better choice Aug 24 21:01:33 but for direct kbd input, direct notation is a way better of course Aug 24 21:02:00 btw is it possible to make ESC switch between graph/calc mode instead of MENU? Aug 24 21:02:11 I find myself often opening the keyboard just because of this Aug 24 21:02:50 GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Howto_install_pykaraoke Aug 24 21:02:51 yea Aug 24 21:03:08 I have got a similar request from someone about the emulators Aug 24 21:03:10 GeneralAntilles: that page needs some fix up to the styles of entries and such, but it's mostly there Aug 24 21:03:26 make ESC act as fast forward and make MENU invoke builtin menu Aug 24 21:03:43 fast forward in games? :) Aug 24 21:03:47 it kinda breaks the default behaviour though Aug 24 21:03:48 yes Aug 24 21:04:05 is there such a function there? Aug 24 21:04:20 of course there is, currently assigned to MENU Aug 24 21:04:36 in fmsx? Aug 24 21:05:08 * RST38h got used to it so much that often tries pressing PGUP (fast-forward in PC versions of emulators) when his laptop gets slow Aug 24 21:05:17 zap: in all of them Aug 24 21:07:42 GeneralAntilles: Sounds like it needs to be unfucked. Delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/microb-pageupdown.postinst and replace /usr/lib/microb-engine/chrome/toolkit/content/global/platformHTMLBindings.xml with this one : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/platformHTMLBindings.xml . the file after the update with pageupdown applied. after that, run apt-get -f install Aug 24 21:08:15 s/the file after the update with pageupdown applied/that is the file after the update with pageupdown applied Aug 24 21:09:18 * RST38h writes down the word "unfucked". Aug 24 21:09:50 Anyways, sleep time. Aug 24 21:11:43 liri, fixed. In the future, remember not to hard wrap. :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_PyKaraoke#Configuration Aug 24 21:13:01 Timidity... I have memories installing that in BeOS for prboom :> Aug 24 21:16:31 ssh couldn't be any more laggy Aug 24 21:18:19 * GeneralAntilles stabs snav to death Aug 24 21:18:27 That worked, anyway, qwerty12_N800. Aug 24 21:18:31 Minus snav still being on Aug 24 21:19:30 stop browserd and edit prefs.js. or about:config come think of it. Aug 24 21:22:54 * lbt plaintively asks if anyone knows about gtkmm show_all not calling show() of a class that overrides a container? Aug 24 21:23:31 I think show_all() has been 'optimised' Aug 24 21:24:36 qwerty12_N800, working fine now. Aug 24 21:27:36 This _is_ interesting: initfs-diablo (0.95.15-200819maemo3) unstable; urgency=low Aug 24 21:27:37 New usbflasher without gpl'd code. Aug 24 21:27:43 yep just saw Aug 24 21:28:07 That seems to mean Nokia owes us some code, no? Aug 24 21:28:14 someone sue nokia so that someone can write a cal flasher Aug 24 21:28:19 Hehe Aug 24 21:28:27 Well, might be worth asking about it, anyway. Aug 24 21:29:03 Download the diablo image off tablets-dev quick before they update it :> Aug 24 21:30:25 * qwerty12_N800 hopes the dsm svn repo on garage is haxed one day. Aug 24 21:32:03 qwerty12_N800: you could try to get commit rights to the garage web sites :P Aug 24 21:32:41 jott: hehe, i tried going into the project page but i'm not allowed Aug 24 21:32:56 and accidently comment out some authentication checks :D Aug 24 21:33:03 lol Aug 24 21:33:18 where do I sign up? :p Aug 24 21:34:38 There are a *lot* of binaries shipped with the system that read CAL. The only source we have that shows that is mce. Useless w/out dsme though. Aug 24 21:39:15 lbt... is show virtual? Aug 24 21:39:48 do I need to declare it as such? Aug 24 21:39:54 I'm not an expert c++ Aug 24 21:40:27 it should be declared as virtual in the base class afaik Aug 24 21:40:31 I am declaring a class as class ItemView: public Gtk::HBox Aug 24 21:40:51 so it will inherit all methods etc of hbox Aug 24 21:41:18 http://www.gtkmm.org/docs/gtkmm-2.4/docs/reference/html/classGtk_1_1Widget.html#a791d86a0bb3658e378e81d731dd0121 Aug 24 21:41:20 but if the show() isnt marked as virtual in the base afaik it wont call derived functions that overload the base Aug 24 21:41:29 OK Aug 24 21:42:10 so the base show_all() won't call my show() Aug 24 21:42:33 maybe you have to provide a show_all_vfunc() that gets the call Aug 24 21:42:50 I then overrode show_all() to call the base show_all() and then my show (which uses logic to hide some widgets) Aug 24 21:42:55 and then :) Aug 24 21:43:04 I wrote a show_all_vfunc Aug 24 21:43:09 from there you could call your show() func Aug 24 21:43:10 which was ignored :( Aug 24 21:43:23 void ItemView::show_all_vfunc() Aug 24 21:43:26 you didnt declare yours as virtual tho right? Aug 24 21:43:44 correct I didn't Aug 24 21:43:48 ok hmmmmmmm Aug 24 21:44:14 yep Aug 24 21:44:39 the first instantiation I removed all show() calls from my class - including contained widgets Aug 24 21:44:43 they all appear !! Aug 24 21:44:46 and the vfunc isnt called at all? Aug 24 21:44:52 nope Aug 24 21:45:24 I've been googling for it Aug 24 21:45:44 istead of inheriting from hbox maybe inherit from container? Aug 24 21:46:24 everything else works fine Aug 24 21:46:41 and container is a virtual class (?) Aug 24 21:46:44 abstract Aug 24 21:46:51 isn't it? Aug 24 21:48:07 and I'd need Box, not Container... Aug 24 21:53:22 im trying to find some info ... brb Aug 24 21:53:27 on subclassing :) Aug 24 21:53:32 with gtkmm Aug 24 21:53:45 'k Aug 24 21:53:52 The Modest "chagelogs" are a little hilarious: http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/changelog.html Aug 24 21:55:50 Their NB shit is a joke. Aug 24 21:56:15 It's really insane Aug 24 21:56:39 lbt ... do you have to register your new class with gobject? Aug 24 21:57:00 I thought the point of gtkmm was simple inheritance.... Aug 24 21:57:13 happy to try though Aug 24 21:57:42 http://library.gnome.org/devel/gobject/unstable/howto-gobject.html Aug 24 21:57:56 that talks about subclassing in gtk Aug 24 21:58:12 seems like you have to register your new class to get it "seen" Aug 24 21:58:16 yeah - that's the main reason I went to gtkmm ;) Aug 24 21:58:30 http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch05s02.html Aug 24 21:58:33 apparently you still have to do some of that Aug 24 21:59:05 eww Aug 24 21:59:07 what? Aug 24 22:00:29 wow thats ugly Aug 24 22:00:33 qwerty12_N800, I'm tempted to compile a "List of Shame" of all the Nokia engineers in that list who've made "changelogs" that mention NB# without any more information. ;) Aug 24 22:00:50 bear in mind that this app is 99.99% working - the only quirk appears to be a show/hide issue which I'm beginning to suspect is a bug in some optimisation somewhere... Aug 24 22:01:48 GeneralAntilles: You should. FFS, they are keeping bugs hidden for a open source product. Aug 24 22:02:11 lol: osso-af-startup (1.66-4) unstable; urgency=low * mkdir -p the f0rking /var/tmp directory, because, /apparently/, it doesn't exist. Halleluja! Aug 24 22:02:32 http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-tutorial/stable/x2191.html Aug 24 22:02:37 lbt that looks promising Aug 24 22:02:42 im reading it now Aug 24 22:03:35 Nokia's idea of open source is bullshit. Pussies are even scared to open source the memory applet. Aug 24 22:04:33 that's all the C/Gtk+ stuff though - why do you think it is relevant? Aug 24 22:04:41 ... just asking :) Aug 24 22:05:14 * qwerty12_N800 wants to add support for quickly making a swap file on mmc1. ke-recv supports enabling swap off mmc1. Aug 24 22:06:21 I really want to destroy the "competitive advantage" argument by getting all of the closed-source Nokia UI stuff replaced with much more useful open source alternatives. Aug 24 22:06:41 * GeneralAntilles started with the Backlight and Volume applets. Aug 24 22:07:30 GeneralAntilles: doesn't the kernel source provide some hints for the battery stuff? Aug 24 22:08:02 Meh, I'm more interested in * applets and the like Aug 24 22:08:09 lbt ... just seeing how the gtkmm stuff works under the hood Aug 24 22:08:10 I'll leave the low-level stuff to other people. Aug 24 22:08:26 the vfunc ... is there a func called "on_show_all()" Aug 24 22:08:32 to handle the event? Aug 24 22:09:52 err Aug 24 22:10:04 Widget doesn't declare on_show_all Aug 24 22:10:07 and nor do I Aug 24 22:10:42 there is : virtual void Gtk::Widget::on_show Aug 24 22:10:57 Hello there. Aug 24 22:11:20 Does wizard-mounter works on OS2008? I can't seem to find the packages with portmap and kernel modules anywhere :( Aug 24 22:11:26 hi yacoob - don't suppose you're shit hot at gtkmm are you? Aug 24 22:12:02 * yacoob checks Aug 24 22:12:05 ...nope. Aug 24 22:12:16 :P Aug 24 22:14:24 yacoob: dunno about wizard mounter - I ported autofs the other night. I compiled up the various nfs modules - dead easy. Aug 24 22:14:36 nfs-common has portmap AFAIK Aug 24 22:15:01 I'm busy atm but if you're around tomorrow then I may be able to help... Aug 24 22:15:11 lbt ... can you get the event mask for your widget and see if its handling the draw events? Aug 24 22:15:52 I'm just a bit suprised that they've added smb to file dialog... Aug 24 22:15:54 moontiger: lets make sure we're on the same page :) Aug 24 22:15:56 ...but not to the system. Aug 24 22:16:35 and yes, I think I saw kernel modules including smb in other package, but I'd like to have a nice gui for mounting :) Aug 24 22:16:41 (hm, I can force dependencies...) Aug 24 22:16:56 lbt... if your widget isnt responding to show_all() right? Aug 24 22:17:02 I've got a class subclassing hbox. The class contains a label, button and some more boxes. I pack up the components into the hbox/class Aug 24 22:17:30 according to application state I *may* hide or show the composite widget Aug 24 22:17:39 right Aug 24 22:17:56 the very first time I show the widget, *all* the composite parts show Aug 24 22:18:04 ok Aug 24 22:18:08 thereafter they hide/show correctly Aug 24 22:18:36 the first time involves the hildon window doing a show_all Aug 24 22:18:48 * moontiger makes notes... Aug 24 22:19:04 now, if I remove *all* show() calls (including the composite parts) Aug 24 22:19:10 they *still* show Aug 24 22:19:12 !!! Aug 24 22:19:50 they show just by calling show_all() on the parent container? Aug 24 22:19:51 'tell you what - I'll publish the code... Aug 24 22:19:55 hello Aug 24 22:19:55 ok Aug 24 22:19:59 yes Aug 24 22:20:02 hey Pavlz :) Aug 24 22:20:28 the parent container has a show() which uses application state to decide if it should show. Aug 24 22:20:29 i finished now to write to the vice president of usa Aug 24 22:20:33 the show_all() must be calling the individual show() functions itself Aug 24 22:21:31 there is that "shaow_all_children(bool)" function Aug 24 22:22:22 is impossible that in the usa noboby say where : my aunt, his husband and my cousins are actually, they started 20 years ago from Naples Aug 24 22:22:24 i would imagine that is iterating over the containers children and calling "show()" on them Aug 24 22:23:22 now remain only fbi, cia and nsa Aug 24 22:23:23 Pavlz, whats the problem? Aug 24 22:27:22 is the wiki down? Aug 24 22:27:35 lbt, not here Aug 24 22:27:47 Maybe ferenc just restarted it Aug 24 22:27:51 Seems faster than usual, actually. Aug 24 22:28:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Aug 24 22:29:15 could be my cache I guess - is that page there for you Aug 24 22:29:21 the rest of the wiki seems OK : Aug 24 22:29:23 :) Aug 24 22:29:31 Yes, it's there for me Aug 24 22:29:40 Cached blank page? Aug 24 22:29:46 lbt ... shift-refresh Aug 24 22:29:55 *always* does that to me too Aug 24 22:30:16 ah - was doing ctrl-refresh... Aug 24 22:31:57 ah - at last.. hmm something odd... never mind :) Aug 24 22:32:09 :) Aug 24 22:32:33 GeneralAntilles, btw the auto-builder is really cool :) Aug 24 22:32:45 that's the problem when I make notes on how to do things off my LAN :) Aug 24 22:32:53 Yeah, it's a nice thing to have around Aug 24 22:33:12 It's especially helpful in cleaning up Extras. Aug 24 22:33:24 Is this the proper forum to ask questions about DosBox installation problems on a 770 w/ OS2006, or is this a development only room? Aug 24 22:33:42 This is everything Maemo Aug 24 22:33:59 Just don't expect everybody here to know the answer to everything at all times. ;) Aug 24 22:35:13 judging from the comments on the forum, the packages are simply gone. Woe upon me! :) Aug 24 22:36:58 lbt... if i can see the code you're talking about i *might* be able to help ... c++ is my fave language but im new to gtkmm and gtk Aug 24 22:37:36 No worries. I have just reflashed my 770 after several failed attempts to install DosBox and I was hoping to try again while this resource was available to help w/ problems. Mainly package issues, I think, but I confess that I'm no developer. Aug 24 22:38:04 well, this is my 'get back into it' - so I've never really done C++ and this is my first ever gtk/gtkmm code :) Aug 24 22:38:14 http://pupnik.de/dosbox.html Aug 24 22:38:50 heh then between the 2 of us we might be able to f*** it up even better! ;) Aug 24 22:39:21 :) Aug 24 22:41:05 im going to be writing a c gtk app for the nit next so its all good stuff to get into Aug 24 22:41:40 well, seriously - use c++ if you have any choice Aug 24 22:42:00 gtk+ will make you very miserable if you like C++ Aug 24 22:42:10 and actually gtkmm is pretty nice Aug 24 22:43:59 but the c++ bindings are an extra download for the nit no? Aug 24 22:44:06 makes the app "bigger" Aug 24 22:44:20 not so's you'd notice Aug 24 22:44:21 hm... ITOS2008 != OS2008? Aug 24 22:44:29 and there are enough apps using it now... Aug 24 22:45:50 try installing shopper from extras-devel Aug 24 22:45:51 yacoob, s/!=/==/ Aug 24 22:46:32 GeneralAntilles, ok, just wanted to make sure. Then I don't know where on earth authors of wizard-mount found the packages for 2008 :( Aug 24 22:46:45 what are you writing? Aug 24 22:47:24 moontiger: me? Aug 24 22:47:31 yes Aug 24 22:47:36 shopper :) Aug 24 22:47:46 ohhhhhhhhhhh .... *goes to install it* Aug 24 22:47:51 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/ Aug 24 22:48:21 i have the extras-devel repo so its in the AM Aug 24 22:48:54 says it will use 3.61mb Aug 24 22:51:24 mmm - I have an 8Gb SD card... Aug 24 22:51:47 wait 'til you get some Qt apps :) Aug 24 22:52:17 (or kde ones! :P) Aug 24 22:52:43 I could just fit enough of my kde packages on the default rootfs to be able to run plasma :) Aug 24 22:52:50 GeneralAntilles - No prerequisites? This is a squeaky-clean, freshly installed OS, no bells, no whistles. Aug 24 22:54:05 lbt, thats why i wont be using qt apps Aug 24 22:54:27 until qt is in the rom Aug 24 22:54:55 you'll like it when you do Aug 24 22:55:26 but although Qt is fairly new to the nit, it's pretty well established. Aug 24 22:55:31 i used to use kde a lot Aug 24 22:55:36 * lcuk will use whatever gives the crispest performance Aug 24 22:55:40 and i played with kdevelop Aug 24 22:55:43 and qt Aug 24 22:56:23 dont really like the look of qt apps altho the libs are really quite nice Aug 24 22:56:40 you choose the style i believe Aug 24 22:57:02 yes it is themed but i just never found a theme i liked Aug 24 22:57:05 according to some recent posts the visual style should be the same Aug 24 22:57:14 for 'hildon' Aug 24 22:57:15 hmmmmmmm then that would be nice Aug 24 22:57:27 but its a very large lib install Aug 24 22:57:34 so is a reflash Aug 24 22:57:39 the demo app in the repos is 7+mb Aug 24 22:58:07 thats tiny in real terms, dont reject it before we see what it has to offer :) Aug 24 22:58:21 well the nit only has 256mb storage Aug 24 22:58:30 half of which gets eaten anyways Aug 24 22:58:51 and if a whole generation of apps comes across and uses the libraries we wont need as much space for the old stuff Aug 24 22:59:01 true dat Aug 24 22:59:02 it works in the long run :) Aug 24 22:59:11 OK - my code is now here : https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=721 Aug 24 22:59:25 i mean its cool if we switch over to qt as the base ... but having both seems a little daft on a nit Aug 24 22:59:41 shopperView.cc contains the problem widget Aug 24 23:00:03 MainWindow::create_list_view is where it is called Aug 24 23:00:32 lbt, you have seen liqbase, i currently save away all new sketches automatically and named to reflect, i dont like to ever over write anything, but i know this is inpractical. do you trust your users to make backups of the shopping list and stuff Aug 24 23:00:32 uh... ssh connection to the tablet freezes ever so often :( Aug 24 23:00:36 I've thrown it at the autobuilder Aug 24 23:00:57 lcuk: I give them file->save Aug 24 23:01:07 :D Aug 24 23:01:14 but for the sketching thats long winded, in draw out Aug 24 23:01:16 (I also save on exit) Aug 24 23:01:33 (and open on startup) Aug 24 23:01:38 Okay, first attempt at DosBox install gives error that packages are missing, specifically libasound2 and libsdl-net1.2. Which repository is the best source for those? Aug 24 23:01:40 i use sqlite :) Aug 24 23:01:49 i like the way the wikis work, but this cannot be implimented without a database properly Aug 24 23:01:56 you need to provide some management - some sketches need binning Aug 24 23:02:03 and i want to share small subset folders without needing an extract Aug 24 23:02:04 yacoob, wifi PSM Aug 24 23:02:07 versioning? Aug 24 23:02:09 thats true, and any can be removed Aug 24 23:02:13 but i keep history Aug 24 23:02:19 git Aug 24 23:02:22 Turn it off and kill your battery life or keep something network-related running on the other side. Aug 24 23:02:22 well this is kinda what im thinking about Aug 24 23:02:51 the evolution of a set of related sketches sounds afwully like the evolution of a set of source files Aug 24 23:03:09 and the way they link together and are used in the project needs tracking Aug 24 23:03:26 octopus merges Aug 24 23:03:46 just looking.. Aug 24 23:03:49 GeneralAntilles, I just wonder whether tcpkeepalives would help here. If tablet gets traffic, it won't turn off the wireless... Aug 24 23:04:58 well, I've had a good night - I've fixed all my known crash bugs in shopper - a few other useability ones and just have the one left which is a bit of a pain... Aug 24 23:05:17 great stuff! Aug 24 23:05:31 thanks for this pointer, looks like ill be reading for some time :) Aug 24 23:05:32 so lets see if autobuilder does 3.3-buggy1 for the morning and I'll hit it again when I'm fresh... Aug 24 23:05:44 bank holiday tomorrow? Aug 24 23:05:55 * lcuk doesnt know where you are Aug 24 23:06:05 you need a proper linux box so you can play with git and some of the other stuff Aug 24 23:06:10 I'm in Reading - so yes Aug 24 23:06:26 (you have a bad memory mcr boy) Aug 24 23:06:59 yes i know and ive setup the laptop now so will be doing more on it in the next couple of weeks Aug 24 23:07:30 gitk I think is the gui - quite helpful to see git repos Aug 24 23:08:55 yer ill have a look, it does seem like what i want, or would at least recommend using when configuring sketch groups Aug 24 23:09:38 yes! just like a standard source editor doesnt care, as long as i think in terms of versioning and inform the operator as such i just say "bleugh and write over everything Aug 24 23:09:41 lbt i'll look thru the sources more later today ... looks ... complicated :) Aug 24 23:10:20 moontiger, have you ever been shopping, its serious business. they move stuff around on purpose. Aug 24 23:10:40 hehe yes i go often ... and they move stuff to increase impulse buying Aug 24 23:10:48 its careful psychology Aug 24 23:10:58 yes cos without shopper you forget what you want Aug 24 23:11:18 and depending upon hunger levels you impulse buy the bacon and tomatoes for some reason Aug 24 23:11:24 hahahaha Aug 24 23:11:28 * moontiger is vegetarian Aug 24 23:11:53 its only bacon, i thought that was like your candy? Aug 24 23:12:17 naaaaaa i dont eat animals ... animals are friends not food! Aug 24 23:12:19 ;) Aug 24 23:12:46 lardman has converted me. i have seen the light and it has a smoked aroma Aug 24 23:12:48 ltb if you want to enjoy with a GNU/linux box take the gp2x Aug 24 23:15:29 hehehe Aug 24 23:15:51 Pavlz, what were you saying about cousins and aunts? Aug 24 23:17:10 that your country does not say which end they did Aug 24 23:17:17 is impossible Aug 24 23:18:37 Pavlz, not my country ... im just visiting Aug 24 23:18:44 you mean how they died? Aug 24 23:19:18 no Aug 24 23:19:58 i need only and address or a zip, and i find him Aug 24 23:20:04 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Aug 24 23:20:12 well they have privacy laws here Aug 24 23:20:18 i find the broker ball of viagra Aug 24 23:20:18 have you tried googleing them? Aug 24 23:20:50 and i gave to the fbi Aug 24 23:21:29 we too have privacy Aug 24 23:22:07 but are my cousins and aunt Aug 24 23:22:08 im not understanding you properly ... im sorry :| Aug 24 23:22:25 well anybody can say they are cousins and aunt Aug 24 23:22:47 it seems not so easy Aug 24 23:23:00 all beginned 1 month ago Aug 24 23:23:04 they moved here? Aug 24 23:23:25 and usa are not able to find people Aug 24 23:23:36 well it is a big place Aug 24 23:23:44 20 years ago are arrived in USA Aug 24 23:23:57 ok Aug 24 23:24:04 i take contact with whitehouse.gov Aug 24 23:24:29 you are trying to get in contact with them yes? Aug 24 23:24:33 with american embassy in rome (italy) Aug 24 23:24:51 with italian embassy in wdc Aug 24 23:25:29 and with ministero degli esteri (italia) Aug 24 23:25:55 i waith only a reply from vice pesident of usa Aug 24 23:25:57 Pavlz, what are u trying to do? Aug 24 23:26:11 to contact them Aug 24 23:26:17 ahhhhhhhhhh finally right Aug 24 23:26:22 and u have no address? Aug 24 23:26:28 no Aug 24 23:26:34 and u cant find them Aug 24 23:26:39 have u tried google? Aug 24 23:26:44 yes Aug 24 23:26:53 what state did they live in? Aug 24 23:27:03 i don't know Aug 24 23:27:22 this must to know usa Aug 24 23:27:40 ok i have to go out for half hour Aug 24 23:27:42 brb Aug 24 23:27:51 not i, they pay tax, they say where they live Aug 24 23:28:01 ok Aug 24 23:28:06 we wait here Aug 24 23:42:47 google is a censorship Aug 24 23:43:43 i tried to use httP://google.us and it redirect to http://google.it Aug 24 23:44:18 max i got was http://google.com Aug 24 23:53:59 anybody know if the tekkeon tek charge has an adaptor for the n810? Aug 25 00:01:55 does anyone know why this works: echo "hello error world" | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/' but then make | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/' doesnt Aug 25 00:03:10 make's errors are being printed to stderr, not stdout Aug 25 00:03:36 ahhh Grackle_, thanks - do you know how i can redirect them so that would work? Aug 25 00:03:43 you need to redirect stderr (see google, i forget how) Aug 25 00:04:28 heh thanks im lookin Aug 25 00:08:16 excellent Grackle_ thanks for the pointer: make 2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/error/\e[31merror\e[0m/' works as expected Aug 25 00:09:00 ah, good. you're welcome. Aug 25 00:15:01 Pavlz, so why dont they get in touch with you Aug 25 00:16:25 ? Aug 25 00:28:34 Pure awesome: http://www.tabletscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90 Aug 25 00:34:35 timeless, ping. Aug 25 00:39:51 GeneralAntilles: how new is that tabletscene site? Never heard of it Aug 25 00:40:01 Month-ish? Aug 25 00:40:07 It's krisse and Reggie's baby Aug 25 00:40:21 Intended for "newbies-only" Aug 25 00:40:42 Read: welcome to the Ubuntu forums where questions either get no answer or bad answers. :\ Aug 25 00:53:17 good day/evening! I don't know if this is the right place to ask this: How long is the N800 going to be supported? I mean, for example, how long will future ITOS releases work on it? (latest is OS2008 right?) Aug 25 00:59:40 Should be through Fremantle. Aug 25 01:01:48 when is Freemantle to be released? (sorry, not really familiar with the codenames :) Aug 25 01:08:29 There's no date Aug 25 01:08:48 Call it somewhere in the Q4 2008-Q2 2009 range Aug 25 01:10:13 aaah Aug 25 01:10:16 thanks :) Aug 25 01:40:38 anyone knows a place to download stable tarballs of libhildon, etc.? Aug 25 01:41:02 (Debian and Ubuntu have them, but do not indicate where the upstream URL is) Aug 25 01:41:08 apt-get source ...? Aug 25 01:41:39 Mek: well yes. but I want to package it for Fedora. Aug 25 01:42:13 Let people experiment with targeting Hildon without having to install the full SDK. e.g. to use MonoDevelop's Vala support for development Aug 25 01:46:03 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libh/libhildon/ Aug 25 01:46:38 hircus: ...and https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ Aug 25 01:47:21 GeneralAntilles: thanks Aug 25 01:47:36 jott: that works too, but I probably don't want to deal with SVN snapshots Aug 25 01:48:01 they also have tags - but you asked for the upstream url :) Aug 25 01:52:44 jott: indeed. I think there's a movement for Linux distributions to integrate directly with upstream's version control, but sadly we're not there yet Aug 25 01:56:23 Hi. l installed a kernel with rotation and l'm not using it. l'm wondering how can l go back to the stock kernel. Aug 25 01:56:52 Sure, but there isn't a whole lot of point to it. Aug 25 01:57:21 Just: flasher-3.0 -F --flash-only=kernel -R Aug 25 01:57:46 (l used the sliderotate package) Aug 25 01:59:01 well, i left my tablet overnight and found it with a dead battery... not sure if that was it, but anyway i'm not using the rotation. Aug 25 01:59:24 Looking for libasound2 for OS version 3.2006.49-2. Any repository suggestions? Aug 25 01:59:34 where do i get "fiasco image"? Aug 25 01:59:55 ~flashing Aug 25 01:59:56 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 25 02:00:04 It wasn't rotation Aug 25 02:00:09 It was something eating your CPU Aug 25 02:00:14 Like, say, a broken home applet Aug 25 02:00:16 or similar. Aug 25 02:00:48 i only have weather, radio and search Aug 25 02:01:35 i also have the cpu monitor tray applet to check if a process is eating up all the cpu Aug 25 02:02:03 i don't remember if i checked lastight, though Aug 25 02:02:48 Internal card could also be corrupted Aug 25 02:02:55 and the external card, too. Aug 25 02:03:42 https://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Stock_answers#Power_management Aug 25 02:03:54 it seems to be working fine, how could i check? Aug 25 02:04:54 Found libasound2 libraries on pupnik, but all versions give me "Unable to install. Incompatible package." message. Any help? Aug 25 02:22:38 GeneralAntilles, those instructions require a PC, isn't there a way to do it directly on the tablet? Aug 25 02:24:35 gregorovius, erm Aug 25 02:24:40 Well, yeah Aug 25 02:24:46 But you need to get the kernel image first Aug 25 02:24:54 Honestly, it's really not that important Aug 25 02:25:18 Leaving rotation installed doesn't do anything Aug 25 02:25:34 and, who knows, you may find yourself needing it at some point and wishing you had it. Aug 25 02:26:00 Assuming you can get a kernel image, then a: fiasco-flasher -k -f Aug 25 02:26:02 will work. Aug 25 02:26:51 may be, i usually tend to uninstall whatever i find myself not using, but'll take your word this time =) Aug 25 02:27:07 It's not a size issue, it's not a stability issue, it's not an anything issue Aug 25 02:27:55 the more anything, the more something can go wrong... Aug 25 02:28:02 Not in this case Aug 25 02:28:27 I can explain in more detail about why it's going to be a pain to get the kernel image (especially without a PC, as you seem not to have), but I'm not gonna invest the effort unless you're really interested. Aug 25 02:29:27 no, it's ok, i can get a pc tomorrow, i thought it would be simple. thanks. Aug 25 02:30:19 The procedure isn't particularly difficult Aug 25 02:30:22 gregorovius: fwiw, if you use diablo you could do apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot Aug 25 02:30:26 maybe the battery thing was an isolated event... i've had a few spontaneous reboots as well lately Aug 25 02:30:31 But getting the kernel image is a bit of a catch-22 situation Aug 25 02:30:33 still i don't see any particular need. Aug 25 02:30:44 jott, would --reinstall actually do it? Aug 25 02:30:47 * GeneralAntilles makes a not. Aug 25 02:30:52 s/not/note/ Aug 25 02:31:15 gregorovius, whatever the battery issue was, it wasn't related to rotation. :) Aug 25 02:31:33 jott, i am running diablo. so that's it? Aug 25 02:31:45 * GeneralAntilles takes back what he said about a catch-22 Aug 25 02:31:51 gregorovius: maybe do a apt-get clean before to make sure it's the package from the repository. Aug 25 02:32:24 gregorovius: so apt-get clean && apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot Aug 25 02:33:32 * GeneralAntilles iz still apt nub Aug 25 02:33:34 better have power connected while do so. Aug 25 02:34:10 * jott is a hildon application manager noob :D Aug 25 02:34:20 Hehe Aug 25 02:34:26 That one I'm OK with. ;) Aug 25 02:34:27 is an eternal-n00b Aug 25 02:34:40 :D omg i even forgot /me Aug 25 02:34:45 heh, ok, l'll give it a shot, thanks Aug 25 02:35:25 jott's method will do it for you. Aug 25 02:35:54 i kinda wished the nit just used ipkg. apt isn't really used properly, and ipkg would be a lot simpler for new devs Aug 25 02:37:51 Grackle_: install mamona :) Aug 25 02:38:12 http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BuildingIpkgs wee it is easy Aug 25 02:38:32 jott, really? cool. Aug 25 02:38:35 Anybody with an N810 want to reproduce this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3632 Aug 25 02:38:46 # apt-get --reinstall kernel-diablo-flasher && flash-and-reboot Aug 25 02:38:54 Grackle_: ipkg files aren't significantly different from deb files... Aug 25 02:38:55 Grackle_: mamona is openembedded based Aug 25 02:39:05 E: Invalid operation kernel-diablo-flasher Aug 25 02:39:10 oooh Aug 25 02:39:11 Grackle_: only the meaning of some fields is different I think, the format is the same Aug 25 02:39:15 gregorovius: sorry, missed an install Aug 25 02:39:23 apt-get --reinstall install kernel-diablo-flasher Aug 25 02:39:24 oh, very cool indeed. Aug 25 02:39:34 gotcha Aug 25 02:40:07 Mek, but the build and management system is simplified. Aug 25 02:40:30 The following packages have unmet dependencies. Aug 25 02:40:45 osso-software-version-rx34: Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200829maemo1) but 2.6.21-200823maemo3 is to be installed Aug 25 02:40:59 wooo! Aug 25 02:41:03 weird Aug 25 02:41:07 indeed. Aug 25 02:41:09 Weird one indeed. Aug 25 02:41:23 You installed the SSU update successfully, right? Aug 25 02:41:30 yeah Aug 25 02:41:44 apt-get --reinstall install kernel-diablo-flasher=2.6.21-200829maemo1 Aug 25 02:41:47 ah Aug 25 02:41:57 hmmm Aug 25 02:42:17 2.6.21-200823maemo3 shouldn't even be AVAILABLE in 30-2, actually. Aug 25 02:42:19 it's probably messed up with the diablo-1 stuff. Aug 25 02:42:42 cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Aug 25 02:42:46 then: slexy.org Aug 25 02:45:11 http://slexy.org/view/s21WugOK2K Aug 25 02:45:48 man nokia screwed up here. Aug 25 02:46:05 why so? Aug 25 02:46:23 (tablet noob here) Aug 25 02:46:35 the kernel is in the /diablo/ repository not in the /diablo-1/ repository Aug 25 02:46:42 (which was changed after the ssu) Aug 25 02:46:59 another reason to hate this -1 concept Aug 25 02:47:21 should i change it back? Aug 25 02:47:42 yes, change it back, do an apt-get update - install the package and change it back to -1 Aug 25 02:48:28 hm, app manager doesn't let me. mc to the rescue! Aug 25 02:49:00 * GeneralAntilles is waiting for m-vo to get back from vacation to discuss that bit of nonsense. Aug 25 02:49:09 Having a single upgrade repo was going to be so simple Aug 25 02:49:18 it worked fine during the Diablo pre-release period Aug 25 02:49:32 Why'd they have to cock it up so badly now that they hit a release? Aug 25 02:49:36 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Aug 25 02:50:29 gregorovius: after setting setting it back to diablo-1 do an apt-get update again. Aug 25 02:50:53 back to diablo-1? Aug 25 02:51:08 yes, after you installed the kernel change it back to diablo-1 Aug 25 02:51:15 otherwise the next ssu probably breaks. Aug 25 02:51:25 argh, okay Aug 25 02:52:02 GeneralAntilles: they should atleast put all packages that are currently installed into diablo-1 Aug 25 02:54:15 mkay, wish me luck... hopefully brb Aug 25 02:54:50 jott, yeah, at a minimum. Aug 25 02:55:21 * GeneralAntilles is hoping his "Nokia fails at changelogs" email will generate more noise by Monday. Aug 25 02:58:26 sometimes i almost drop the N810 and think i'll get a heart attack **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 25 02:59:57 2008