**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 25 02:59:57 2008 Aug 25 03:00:30 I would like to take an oop course this coming semester. :/ Aug 25 03:00:33 pupnik, i have a big red sketch in my system saying "omg i dropped my nokia" Aug 25 03:00:42 well it seems to be alright. advanced- backlight still thinks i've got rotation though Aug 25 03:01:01 * Grackle_ ventures into oop on his own... *woosh* Aug 25 03:01:29 gregorovius: that's because you have the xserver installed Aug 25 03:01:42 the modified Aug 25 03:02:15 pupnik: ive droppes my n800. the battery shot out across the floor, but it was otherwise ok. Aug 25 03:02:27 can i reinstall that as well? Aug 25 03:02:53 gregorovius: yes package is xserver-xomap and again it's in /diablo/ not /diablo-1/ *grr* Aug 25 03:03:10 the 770 is extremely robust. i love that Aug 25 03:03:38 ok, i haven't changed it back yet Aug 25 03:04:02 pupnik: i sometimes think one of our cats throws it the ground when i leave it on the stand and go out :) Aug 25 03:04:25 sometimes i walk back and put it in the pouch :) Aug 25 03:04:30 pupnik: i would prefer the 800 hardware in the 770 case Aug 25 03:04:39 or put it in my pocket :) Aug 25 03:05:23 * jott could not live without a hw keyboard Aug 25 03:05:48 hmm, how similar is the hardware. is that possible? >.> Aug 25 03:06:44 jott: i've gotten much better at using the onscreen thunb keyboard. nothing teaches typing like irc Aug 25 03:07:07 of course, i still make mistakes. :P Aug 25 03:07:11 Grackle_: yes but i use xterm alot and i could not stand 90% of the screen wasted ;) Aug 25 03:07:35 * Grackle_ wishes for iphone-style spelling correction Aug 25 03:07:37 The 770 doesn't have room for stereo Aug 25 03:08:00 The iPhone's spelling correction only succeeds in pissing me the hell off. Aug 25 03:08:05 jott: oh, too true Aug 25 03:08:17 haha ga Aug 25 03:08:51 It "corrects" it to WRONG half the time Aug 25 03:08:59 jott, i did apt-get -reinstall install xserver-xomap, but still the same, advanced-backlight shows the rotate icons Aug 25 03:09:01 and since it's not 100% right, you always have to pay attention to it Aug 25 03:09:02 well, ill rephrase: i wish the nit would magically correct my mistakes :) Aug 25 03:09:05 which slows me down a lot. Aug 25 03:09:13 gregorovius: hmmm strange. Aug 25 03:09:13 --reinstall Aug 25 03:09:40 typo Aug 25 03:09:41 meh i just blast through and let peop figure out my mistakes Aug 25 03:09:50 unless theyre really bad Aug 25 03:10:45 Hrm, the flash timeless.justdave.net is empty. . . . Aug 25 03:10:59 s/the flash // Aug 25 03:11:00 GeneralAntilles meant: Hrm, timeless.justdave.net is empty. . . . Aug 25 03:11:25 man apt-get Aug 25 03:11:35 ;) Aug 25 03:11:44 might have to remove xrandr? Aug 25 03:11:56 xrandr is shipped by default Aug 25 03:12:51 Depends: python2.5-runtime, xrandr (>= 1:1.2.2-0), xserver-xomap (= 1:1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202), libxrandr2 (>=2:1.2.1-1), xmodmap, flash-and-reboot Aug 25 03:19:01 oh, hold on, i hadn't removed the sliderotate repo Aug 25 03:19:22 # apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xomap Aug 25 03:19:36 Reinstallation of xserver-xomap is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Aug 25 03:19:46 wth? Aug 25 03:20:19 dialbo-1/ ? Aug 25 03:20:33 make sure you have the diablo instead of diablo-1 repo :) maybe after reboot it was changed back automatically by the ham statusbar thingy :) Aug 25 03:20:59 (and then apt-get update ) Aug 25 03:21:41 oh, you're right... damn automation =) Aug 25 03:22:34 Be nice when they start consulting the community on things like this in, oh, about 5 years. *g* Aug 25 03:23:29 GeneralAntilles: well maybe the summit will help to improve things. Aug 25 03:23:30 brb Aug 25 03:23:42 Yeah, we're moving in a positive direction Aug 25 03:23:54 and Fremantle will have alpha and beta releases. Aug 25 03:24:13 I just wish Nokia could pull their head of out their ass just a TOUCH more quickly. . . . Aug 25 03:25:00 Such is the way of big corporations Aug 25 03:25:02 yeah well it's a big company. :/ Aug 25 03:25:36 Blessing and a curse Aug 25 03:25:46 I wonder why the decided to ditch the "Tube" name that the press had been hyping and marketing for them for free for months Aug 25 03:25:52 why they* Aug 25 03:25:56 for example Aug 25 03:25:59 Because it's retarded? Aug 25 03:26:08 and Nokia isn't Motorola? :P Aug 25 03:26:29 they could quote that alaskan senator in their marketing Aug 25 03:26:34 Probably trademarked, anyway. Aug 25 03:27:12 well, that didn't work Aug 25 03:27:35 not a big deal, thanks all Aug 25 03:28:52 hehe i bet some insane nokia marketing guys insist on naming all devices by numbers :p Aug 25 03:29:28 "naah tube is bad, name it 5800 that's consistent with our other product lines" Aug 25 03:30:26 gregorovius: still rotation in advanced-backlight?! Aug 25 03:31:51 jott, yeah Aug 25 03:31:59 their non-marketing model numbers are cooler Aug 25 03:32:47 gregorovius: it did download *and* install the xserver?! Aug 25 03:33:27 hmm, i wonder if openpandora device will have capacitive or resistive touch screen... Aug 25 03:35:29 there has been no mention of multi-touch yet Aug 25 03:35:48 it's an ugly beast, but i will have to get one Aug 25 03:35:52 I can't imagine it not being resistive Aug 25 03:36:01 Yeah, I hope I have the cash to get a Pandora, too. Aug 25 03:36:03 GeneralAntilles: yes, you are probably right Aug 25 03:36:19 i really want a capacitive touch screen device though Aug 25 03:36:25 why? Aug 25 03:36:33 so can only hope Aug 25 03:36:51 pupnik: because it makes app development for some features so much easier and more responsive Aug 25 03:37:42 I just wish I could make my idea of where the stylus is, and the touch screen's idea of where the stylus is, consistent from day to day :-) Aug 25 03:37:57 (yes I know there's calibrate, but that doesn't help when my own idea of where the stylus is also drifts) Aug 25 03:38:05 i don't want stylus anymore :) Aug 25 03:38:08 Yeah, Nokia managed to find the cheapest touch panels imaginable Aug 25 03:38:18 I'd be a bit impressed if it weren't so pathetic. Aug 25 03:38:23 It also depends a lot on the angle you hold the tablet at. Aug 25 03:38:30 haha Aug 25 03:38:50 also dark/light? Aug 25 03:39:10 Capacitive is too expensive for the Pandora, I think. Aug 25 03:39:18 most likely Aug 25 03:39:36 hard to have that without subsidizing with cellphone contracts Aug 25 03:39:43 * GeneralAntilles would like to get Maemo running on the Pandora. Aug 25 03:40:08 cellphone contracts don't make anything cheaper :/ Aug 25 03:40:27 "cellphone payment plan" ;) Aug 25 03:40:39 i'm happy for any new linux device really Aug 25 03:40:40 Really, the touchscreen concerns me much less than the quality of the keyboard. If they had managed to make the keys any more clumsy or hard to press, I'd have been even more impressed than GA. Aug 25 03:40:43 does the pandora have accelerometers? Aug 25 03:40:50 no Aug 25 03:40:53 it's just a fancy way to buy a handset on credit, and make comparison between different plans nearly impossible as a side-effect... Aug 25 03:40:57 * GeneralAntilles doesn't want an N810. Aug 25 03:41:18 It's not like the buttons on the N800 are any better. Aug 25 03:41:21 derf, yes. The qwerty on their E70 and 6820 were much better Aug 25 03:41:21 well, thing I want most fixed in next N series device is the #($&#&(*%&$ screen tearing Aug 25 03:41:22 There's just fewer of them. Aug 25 03:41:31 screen tearing? Aug 25 03:41:34 it will be manyoso Aug 25 03:41:35 worst keyboard award goes to the olpc Aug 25 03:41:38 manyoso, that's fixed automagically by OMAP3. Aug 25 03:41:45 that's what i here Aug 25 03:41:54 Oh like vsync type tearing? Aug 25 03:41:54 it is unimaginably bad Aug 25 03:42:02 and the performance of xrender will also be automagically fixed i hope Aug 25 03:42:11 ShadowJK: yes Aug 25 03:42:13 how-did-this-pass-design-phase bad. Aug 25 03:42:19 yes Aug 25 03:42:22 hard to believe Aug 25 03:42:31 are you interested in helping with some game/emu ports manyoso ? Aug 25 03:42:35 Grackle_, we're keeping the 3rd world children from catching up too much be making it so they can't type. ;) Aug 25 03:42:48 pupnik: don't have time unfortunately Aug 25 03:42:56 haha, i guess so. Aug 25 03:43:21 jott: this is weird! when i compile my Qt app with -02 optimization setting it segfaults Aug 25 03:43:47 compiling without -0N option and it works fine Aug 25 03:43:56 manyoso: strange. Aug 25 03:43:57 what's more, Qt is compiled with -02 and it works Aug 25 03:44:07 and the crash happens in the X server!! Aug 25 03:44:18 yes. well gcc 3.4.4 has it's serious bugs :) Aug 25 03:44:20 it happens as a result of QMainWindow::show() Aug 25 03:44:27 just weird Aug 25 03:44:31 i wonder if anyone else has this Aug 25 03:44:43 Well, there's 10 hours of LotR done Aug 25 03:44:54 * manyoso eats now Aug 25 03:47:05 Oh hell, they've got Spider-Man on next? Aug 25 03:47:10 Damn you, TNT! Aug 25 03:48:44 >.> Aug 25 03:49:11 i have watched almost no tv since i came home from college Aug 25 03:49:28 my roommate had the tv on all the time Aug 25 03:49:39 on mtv mostly :X Aug 25 03:50:28 luckily my new roommate is a quiet gamer Aug 25 03:51:32 Ha Aug 25 03:51:46 I just DVR everything I usually want to watch Aug 25 03:53:34 i use bittorent, but it's a similar idea Aug 25 03:54:02 * Grackle_ was watching bsg religiously but then stopped for some reason Aug 25 03:54:10 Grackle, *laughs* Aug 25 03:54:33 dont like bsg? Aug 25 03:55:59 BSG has a weird tone to it that throws me off Aug 25 03:56:24 I loved it. Aug 25 03:56:41 I think I just got sick of TV. Aug 25 03:56:46 MXR is down. :\ Aug 25 03:57:16 bsg is kinda dipping its toe into surrealism, but it's kinda odd when it's only slightly surreal Aug 25 03:57:16 hmm, my imac's fan noise is a strange rushing burble. It is pleasing. Aug 25 03:58:06 hmm, indeed. Aug 25 03:58:31 unlike lost, which rolls around in it :P Aug 25 03:59:56 The fan noise on my G4 is somewhere near "jet during takeoff" at the moment. Aug 25 04:00:08 hah Aug 25 04:00:25 Still not quite as loud as my G5's "actually a jet taking off" fan noise levels when it KPs. :D Aug 25 04:00:34 ever heard a ps3 with fans going full blast? Aug 25 04:00:48 it should never do it during normal operation Aug 25 04:00:54 Never even seen a PS3 first-hand, interestingly enough. Aug 25 04:01:10 My 360 is fairly loud most of the time, though. Aug 25 04:01:13 sounds and feels like a public restroom blowdrier Aug 25 04:01:25 Ha Aug 25 04:01:39 my 360 is out for rrod repairs :( Aug 25 04:02:08 Hehe Aug 25 04:02:15 Mine was out of _4_ months for that Aug 25 04:02:32 They sent me a 12-month subscription for the trouble. Aug 25 04:02:43 the ps is generally quieter than the xbox, but if you force the fan into full blast mode, it is much loude Aug 25 04:02:51 louder* Aug 25 04:03:01 oh geez Aug 25 04:03:16 * GeneralAntilles likes the no-noise Wii. Aug 25 04:03:36 mine arrived at the repair place a few days ago Aug 25 04:04:03 im not really a fan of wii games Aug 25 04:04:19 I'm a sucker for the first-party Nintendo stuff Aug 25 04:04:24 and it has a lot of party appeal. Aug 25 04:04:32 im not saying it's bad, it just isn't for me Aug 25 04:04:47 yeah, i suppose it does Aug 25 04:05:12 The SNES was my first platform Aug 25 04:05:17 * Grackle_ is more of a bloody-killing-things gamer Aug 25 04:05:29 though i do like a good story Aug 25 04:05:34 I'll play anything as long as it's fun. Aug 25 04:05:46 the atari 2600 was mine Aug 25 04:06:18 never really got into the nintendo stuff Aug 25 04:06:48 Really? Aug 25 04:06:49 Odd Aug 25 04:08:16 Well, I didn't have a console after the 2600 until I bought my 360, and I didn't really play games at friends' houses. Aug 25 04:08:38 Ha Aug 25 04:08:52 That is a, uh, large gap... Aug 25 04:08:56 Sounds a bit like me upgrading from a Performa 400 to a Rev.D Candy iMac. Aug 25 04:09:06 haha Aug 25 04:09:27 are you a mac user, then? Aug 25 04:09:30 Yeah Aug 25 04:09:44 * GeneralAntilles still can't bring himself to "upgrade" the G5 to Intel. Aug 25 04:10:26 Whee. I used to use macs, up until 2000 when I switched to "PCs" with lnux. Aug 25 04:11:16 I am currently setting up to make a hackintosh, though. Aug 25 04:11:40 Linux is too much work with little benefit over OS X for me Aug 25 04:11:40 For iphone development, mostly. Aug 25 04:11:49 makes sense. Aug 25 04:12:18 Besides, it hates my hardware. Aug 25 04:12:30 The G5 still doesn't have working fan controller drivers. Aug 25 04:12:33 A lot of windows users who think they want linux really just need OS X. Aug 25 04:13:04 Oh, that's not handled by firmware? Aug 25 04:13:13 weirdy. Aug 25 04:13:47 i touched OS X for a few minutes and immediately hated it Aug 25 04:14:14 That is one thing I hate about most x86 systems. Fuck shitty BIOS and ACPI implementations. Aug 25 04:14:14 "how do i get a command line?" Aug 25 04:14:33 pupnik, /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app Aug 25 04:14:37 pupnik: applications>terminal Aug 25 04:14:46 or that Aug 25 04:14:50 Or cmd-space "terminal" Aug 25 04:14:57 ah ok. it was at a party. we were sloshed. all i could was open a browser. Aug 25 04:15:02 it was like being castrated Aug 25 04:15:05 lol Aug 25 04:15:09 * GeneralAntilles shakes his head. Aug 25 04:15:31 OS X is just BSD with a lot of shiny. Aug 25 04:15:33 pupnik, i get your point though, i think. os x feels restrictive if you're used to linux. Aug 25 04:15:44 oh heh Aug 25 04:16:45 oddly enough, i dont feel that way in windows. i think that's because i expext it there. >.> Aug 25 04:17:04 agh so much typing on the n800 Aug 25 04:17:05 i am so damaged by microsoft, i can't begin to describe Aug 25 04:17:18 my thumbs are all cramped Aug 25 04:17:34 * Grackle_ has been ircing on it all day Aug 25 04:17:38 Gotta loosen up, Grackle_. ;) Aug 25 04:17:46 Tap light and fast Aug 25 04:19:08 mostly it is from curling my thumbs to hit keys near the bottom Aug 25 04:19:31 Ah, you're holding it too tight. Aug 25 04:19:45 Straighten your knuckles and joints a bit Aug 25 04:19:52 Let it rest on your fingers Aug 25 04:20:37 * GAN800 does way too much tablet-typing. ;) Aug 25 04:21:22 hmm Aug 25 04:21:56 i just needed a break for a minute or s Aug 25 04:22:06 or so, that's all Aug 25 04:23:59 Wow Aug 25 04:23:59 That was quite a power surge Aug 25 04:24:27 :x Aug 25 04:25:31 my osx86 dvd is about halfway downloaded :) Aug 25 04:25:57 I probably won't get to it until tomorrow. Aug 25 04:28:58 still no decent Chrono Trigger on tablets Aug 25 04:29:01 that is such a shame Aug 25 04:32:11 l'd love to have House of the Dead Aug 25 04:38:11 gregorovius: what system is that on Aug 25 04:41:24 reading pdfs on the nit is pretty nice :) Aug 25 04:42:18 pupnik, arcade, saturn and windows Aug 25 04:47:55 and wii Aug 25 04:48:09 and dreamcast Aug 25 04:53:00 y'all are way out of line Aug 25 04:53:22 we don't have a fullsped NES emulator yet Aug 25 04:53:42 eh no we do.. RST38h wrote one Aug 25 05:11:18 hey, pupnik, could you check if SlideRule is in the Extras now? Aug 25 05:13:07 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Frepository.maemo.org%2Fextras+sliderule&btnG=Search Aug 25 05:13:11 I'd say, "No" Aug 25 05:13:11 oh, it's there Aug 25 05:13:25 GAN: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/4.1/non-free/binary-armel/Packages Aug 25 05:15:24 Why is UKMP in non-free? Aug 25 05:16:34 my neighbour should get a better router Aug 25 05:20:36 who knows... Aug 25 05:44:08 rm_you Aug 25 05:44:25 rm_you Aug 25 05:46:48 rm_you Aug 25 05:47:32 Hey, so I've got a bug. Aug 25 05:47:38 770 doesn't detect rotation properly Aug 25 05:47:44 and the rotation section is always visible Aug 25 05:47:55 Which means you can "rotate" but can't unrotate Aug 25 05:53:21 hey has pidgin been ported to diablo yet? Aug 25 05:56:41 it works on diablo without changes Aug 25 05:57:03 there is a new version available from collabora but it is too large, I am afraid to install it Aug 25 05:57:33 have you got a url for collabora's one? Aug 25 05:58:54 i can't install pidgin through the .install file on their site as its for chinook Aug 25 05:59:11 Just use rtcomm? Aug 25 05:59:13 It's much lighter. Aug 25 05:59:31 http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index.php?Action=list&System=OS2008&Arg=pidgin&Section=&Repo=0 Aug 25 05:59:38 rtcomm sucks Aug 25 05:59:44 Works fine here Aug 25 05:59:52 forgot about rtcomm Aug 25 06:00:15 Either install the beta or install the telepathy plugin from the Collabora repo Aug 25 06:04:33 rtcomm does work but it is awkward Aug 25 06:05:19 it's lacking compared to pidgin but tbh pidgin doesn't have the best of interfaces either on the tablet. Aug 25 06:05:38 Less awkward than having Pidgin occupying valuable taskbar space all the time. Aug 25 06:07:03 The presence applet does the same unless I disable my accounts. Or edit the desktop file to let me disable it. Aug 25 06:11:13 Statusbar space isn't as valuable to me Aug 25 06:11:31 Anyway, I'm already using rtcomm for sip Aug 25 06:11:37 No sense adding more nonsense into the mix Aug 25 06:15:25 qwerty12, fucking gnomes is unsanitary. Aug 25 06:15:37 :P Aug 25 06:16:34 Sigh, I've already rebooted twice in less than 15 mins. Even in windows that doesn't happen. I should burn that leopard osx86 iso I got sometime... Aug 25 06:18:13 What if he washes them first? Aug 25 06:18:18 And sterilizes? Aug 25 06:20:23 GeneralAntilles: noted. now, for sleep Aug 25 06:20:25 * rm_you sleeps Aug 25 06:23:06 Anyone know a server where I could upload an armel libmp4ff? Aug 25 06:23:25 the collabora blows Aug 25 06:23:27 ~lart licenses Aug 25 06:23:27 * infobot gets a hotmal account and SPAMs licenses Aug 25 06:23:31 pidgin even Aug 25 06:23:36 collabora pidgin* Aug 25 06:23:39 hotmal? Aug 25 06:26:00 about those apps that have taskbar icons, anyone else having issues with forgetting about that, closing the app window, and then have the maemo desktop vanish when using the taskbar icon to bring back the app so you can really close it? Aug 25 06:28:19 pidgin works fine for me Aug 25 06:28:30 has got a couple of annoying bugs but works otherwise Aug 25 06:28:40 it works, but the prefs pane dosn't scroll, toolbar is actually in the window Aug 25 06:28:52 ? Aug 25 06:29:05 does not happen here. prefs work just fine Aug 25 06:29:42 i found that they just overflowed off the screen :( Aug 25 06:32:19 maybe you are using the wrong version? Aug 25 06:33:12 t_s_o: that "problem" is caused by Maemo desktop crashing Aug 25 06:33:52 RST38h: i would not say it crashes. it seems to still function as one can bring it back via the "home" button Aug 25 06:34:16 it just seems to vanish when a window is created from a already running app Aug 25 06:35:26 still, the only two i recall seeing it happen with is mitter and pidgin, and i use neither to avoid the issue... Aug 25 06:35:45 oh, yes, you mean that one Aug 25 06:35:59 it is the first on my list of annoying pidgin bugs Aug 25 06:38:34 i think its more then just a pidgin bug, i suspect its hildon thats not playing nice with existing tray stuff from desktop apps Aug 25 06:43:14 ok, firefox on the desktop still has some memory usage issues :/ Aug 25 06:43:31 just got 700MB back by closing it... Aug 25 06:44:31 Ouch. I used to have like 200 extensions and all I'd get up to was ~500MB. Aug 25 06:44:53 It's been running for a week or so now I guess... Aug 25 06:45:03 I'm willing to blame flash :) Aug 25 06:49:42 * qwerty12 can now see why the mpd port hasn't been updated in a while :/ Aug 25 06:49:53 qwerty12, why? Aug 25 06:50:06 pain in da butt? Aug 25 06:50:59 Yep :/. Latest debian diff against mpd is pretty strictly debian (yes, it would be naturally, but this one even more so). Aug 25 06:51:12 can i actually do anything with my garage project home page? like maybe put a simple page up? Aug 25 06:52:08 I haven't got FF3 to huge bloat levels so far Aug 25 06:52:44 Might be flash crashing it regularly, but at least it doesn't grow like FF2 did. Aug 25 06:59:06 moontiger: yup you can Aug 25 06:59:32 moontiger: create a www directory at the same level than trunk in your svn repo, and here you go Aug 25 06:59:37 melmoth, cool ... at least a simple screen shot and some text would be great :) Aug 25 06:59:55 ok cool Aug 25 06:59:58 thank you :) Aug 25 07:02:48 wow garage. is soooooooooooooooo slow from here at least :( Aug 25 07:03:49 Unlucky, I'm getting decent speeds here :P Aug 25 07:06:44 yah i think its comcastic more than anyone :| Aug 25 07:10:10 ok well off to bed now ... up early to teach tomorrow ... laterz :) Aug 25 07:12:29 mpd package = debian maintainer gone crazy :>. I've replaced log_warning_msg with the standard echo. I'll see if my changes (read: mutilation to the mpd.init) take. Aug 25 07:15:39 qwerty12: mpd broke so badly when i tried to just normally install it on deblet Aug 25 07:16:56 Stskeeps: No wonder, have you seen the amount of checks in the /etc/init.d/mpd? I've toned it down and I hate invoke-rc.d on tablets so I've made the postinst start it directly via the init script. Aug 25 07:17:54 * bef0rd mutilated emesene to make it run on maemo too Aug 25 07:18:12 bef0rd: You don't happen to keep instructions anywhere? :) Aug 25 07:18:25 * qwerty12 loves emsene. Only linux msn client that does offline messaging properly. Aug 25 07:18:34 s/emsene/emesene/ Aug 25 07:18:41 I *believe* to have found the reason why it doesn't work on tablets Aug 25 07:18:50 they have a class called 'Socket' Aug 25 07:19:01 and in some places, they use import Socket Aug 25 07:19:15 but since its running on a FAT filesystem Aug 25 07:19:20 Socket.py == socket.py Aug 25 07:19:40 socket.py being python2.5 sockets implementation Aug 25 07:19:49 I had to rename their Socket.py to EmsnSocket.py Aug 25 07:20:04 Ah, thanks! Aug 25 07:20:13 I've started hildonizing it too Aug 25 07:20:21 do you want to see what't I've done so far? Aug 25 07:20:32 Yes, please. Aug 25 07:21:38 *sigh*, itt won't load. Now that it loads, the maemo wiki won't load. Aug 25 07:22:44 I am using emesene trunk with support to 'see' others webcam Aug 25 07:23:23 but that feature won't work too well on maemo Aug 25 07:23:34 i've tried it on my desktop and it opens a new window to show the webcam Aug 25 07:28:10 qwerty12, http://beford.org/stuff/emesene.tar.gz Aug 25 07:28:27 Thanks Aug 25 07:28:50 funny, after flashing to diablo sound seems to have stopped working =/ Aug 25 07:29:39 Stopped how? Aug 25 07:29:55 the device fails to produce sound where as before it did Aug 25 07:30:16 No errors, no nothing. Just no sound? Have you checked the volume controls? Aug 25 07:30:39 yep, its at full Aug 25 07:30:41 Is esd, dsp_dld etc running Aug 25 07:30:41 not muted Aug 25 07:30:46 let me check Aug 25 07:30:54 the nokia startup sound also isn't working Aug 25 07:31:21 That would also happen if the volume is down/muted. Aug 25 07:31:56 I guess there isn't a way to bypass that.. Aug 25 07:32:07 dsp_dld is running Aug 25 07:32:13 and so is esd Aug 25 07:32:28 One odd thing to try might be to see if you can record something Aug 25 07:32:30 Hmm :/ Aug 25 07:34:47 hi. does anyone has any idea where can I find the Bora rootstrat? Aug 25 07:35:07 the links from here http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_3-x_bora/ Aug 25 07:35:13 are not available Aug 25 07:35:22 shutting down and removing the battery seems to have fixed it =/ Aug 25 07:35:33 The requested URL /3.1/i386/Maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_i386.tgz was not found on this server. Aug 25 07:36:19 popping the battery. the internet tablet equivalent of duct tape Aug 25 07:36:28 ow1_: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.1/ Aug 25 07:38:55 qwerty12: and where could I find the rootstrap ? Aug 25 07:39:11 in the armel and i386 folders which are right there. Aug 25 07:39:13 sorry Aug 25 07:39:17 I found it Aug 25 07:39:23 thank you! Aug 25 07:40:03 do you know who is in charge of updating the maemo webpage? Aug 25 07:40:33 I want to inform the webmaster about those dead links Aug 25 07:41:19 well, maybe GeneralAntilles is interested Aug 25 07:41:39 but i guess we need more people maintaining the site(s) Aug 25 07:42:14 yeah, it's so bad i started ignoring maemo.org results when i google tablet stuff Aug 25 07:42:19 cos links dont work etc Aug 25 07:45:06 Stskeeps: how did the strace go? Aug 25 07:49:30 lbt: well, beyond that udev obviously registers for uevent on the devices /sys/block stuff, nothing incriminating Aug 25 07:49:34 but it definately is udev causing it Aug 25 07:51:45 i can't find any evidence of it keeping the device open or anythin Aug 25 07:51:46 g Aug 25 07:58:53 ok - just hoping Aug 25 08:00:15 im gonna look more into it later - i got it to replicate that its definately udev startup causing it, so Aug 25 08:00:16 hi guys Aug 25 08:00:20 morning Aug 25 08:00:32 lbt: and i have considered moving udev startup till -after- checkroot Aug 25 08:02:50 given it's an initfs - can you checkroot in initfs before udev and then there is no messingwith the normal startup script? and presumably that will clean it and even allow a drop back to telnet rather than maintenance mode? Aug 25 08:03:42 bbiab - coffee Aug 25 08:07:22 i've thought about that, yeah Aug 25 08:07:40 it's not clean but would work Aug 25 08:17:47 diablo's browser seems to fall much more often than earlier os2008 browser, is there any settings to prevent regular falling or better browser? Aug 25 08:22:17 hello Aug 25 08:23:35 I'm trying to make a Task Navigator plugin that could listen some dbus signals, but it seems not to enter into the handler function... http://rafb.net/p/OjZ9Qj17.html Does anyone know what could be happening? Aug 25 08:24:49 ~lart cdbs Aug 25 08:24:49 * infobot whips cdbs with a wet and grimy noodle just because Aug 25 08:25:18 i got a surprise for any of you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zKNQaOnDS4 Aug 25 08:27:18 Rock 'n' Roll High School - Trailer - New Concorde Home Ent. Aug 25 08:29:26 have you never thinked to do explose your old school ? this did the ramones :-) Aug 25 08:30:38 The media player's database on my n800 contains lots of files i have deleted a long time ago. How can i clean up the database? Aug 25 08:31:11 I'd fix the links if the page would freaking load. . . . Aug 25 08:31:35 sven-tek: something like metalayer-crawler update in a terminal. Aug 25 08:33:10 thanxs Aug 25 08:33:53 If you keep media player open, it comes up with a notification it's updating when you run that. Aug 25 08:35:16 qwerty12: any luck with mtdutils yet? Aug 25 08:36:28 Stskeeps: No :(. I compile static zlib and mtdutils against uclibc and it still complains when I try running it on the device. I could compile against glibc but then we'd need another update to make the initfs partition bigger... Aug 25 08:36:52 has anyone heard of a problem where the Chr key opens the virtual keyboard? Aug 25 08:42:38 hello Aug 25 08:42:57 a good editor to write python program on n8x0 ? (diablo) Aug 25 09:01:02 is fennec worth to try? Aug 25 09:09:31 fixed the stupid bug from last night - and I know the correct fix too... Aug 25 09:09:32 Qt Aug 25 09:12:35 OK, Bora development page links should be fixed. Aug 25 09:20:33 why ssh -X from pc to ---> n800 diablo doesn't seem to work? Aug 25 09:21:01 Do you have xauth installed? Aug 25 09:21:32 i check Aug 25 09:23:50 I've always considered qt a bug. Aug 25 09:24:20 funny, I;ve always considered gtk a bug Aug 25 09:24:21 XTL try gtk Aug 25 09:24:49 I know. Ahs, ass. Aug 25 09:25:03 and have you seen #c++ on irc.gnome.org...... bleak... Aug 25 09:25:04 * qwerty12 uses gnome and hates kde so gtk ftw Aug 25 09:25:11 we went so long without toolkit wars. . . . Aug 25 09:25:23 and so it begins... tk/tcl Aug 25 09:25:25 get your glocks here Aug 25 09:25:51 Well, maybe we're at a point where there won't be a serious war. Aug 25 09:26:07 just sniping.... Aug 25 09:26:09 :D Aug 25 09:26:26 Yeah. A little friendly fire never hurt anyone. Aug 25 09:26:37 * lbt runs over to the other side and snipes at moc Aug 25 09:27:15 ~lart building libs Aug 25 09:27:15 * infobot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats building libs until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with Aug 25 09:37:44 there has always been toolkit wars Aug 25 09:38:43 Just not in here, thank god. Aug 25 09:39:16 Though you, lpotter, seem somewhat set on changing that. Aug 25 09:39:40 i didnt start it Aug 25 09:42:44 The next person to start a war has to use ncurses. Aug 25 09:43:19 Mmm.. curses. Aug 25 09:43:32 * XTL considers insulting someone's nobility Aug 25 09:44:32 I wonder how mutt and newsbeuter would feel on a nit Aug 25 09:47:49 extras web assistant broken? Aug 25 09:49:11 if so, contact author Aug 25 09:49:19 after selecting packages it says no repository selected Aug 25 09:49:38 cannot get to the phase where i can "move files to autobuilder" Aug 25 09:56:06 bugs.maemo.org Aug 25 10:04:46 lol, zap is everywhere. I'm on the mikmod page - "New color interface by Andrew Zabolotny" Aug 25 10:52:54 Hi guys ! Aug 25 10:52:59 hi Aug 25 10:55:31 no exciting news today ? Aug 25 10:57:15 depends Aug 25 10:57:27 seems the Olympics are done Aug 25 10:57:36 yay Aug 25 10:58:05 usa is winner ? Aug 25 10:58:19 if you count all medals, yes Aug 25 10:58:26 if you count gold, no Aug 25 10:58:31 or something Aug 25 10:58:56 seems darius is still spamming dev mailing list Aug 25 10:59:25 and no answer to my alarmd with python question Aug 25 10:59:31 :( Aug 25 11:07:59 china got 51 gold medals, us 36 Aug 25 11:09:34 ~fuck cdbs Aug 25 11:09:41 cdbs rullz Aug 25 11:10:11 cdbs can suck my balls. I'm currently replacing all the rules that use cdbs to the standard stuff. Aug 25 11:10:13 you just can't cook it :) Aug 25 11:10:48 cdbs sucks but I can't deny I do too :). Still hate cdbs though. Aug 25 11:10:51 most my packages use cdbs, its easy to use once you get how it works :) Aug 25 11:11:18 do you know the gnu make language? its easier if you browse through /usr/share/cdbs/1/*/* Aug 25 11:11:40 It won't use my CFLAGS. I'm trying to override it in every way I can but it still uses -02 -Wall -G Aug 25 11:11:42 *-g Aug 25 11:11:53 are you using autotools.mk? Aug 25 11:12:02 yes Aug 25 11:12:13 look in autovars.mk Aug 25 11:12:25 there you will find the command line for configure Aug 25 11:12:39 ah, ok, thank you. i've been looking in some other file due to grep telling me something. Aug 25 11:12:40 look for "CFLAGS" Aug 25 11:12:58 will do, need to take a break now :) Aug 25 11:13:04 thanks again. Aug 25 11:26:04 so you did get your charger working in the end, qwerty12_N800? Aug 25 11:26:46 t_s_o: kinda... my sister gave me hers :D Aug 25 11:27:06 sisters are nice to have, sometimes ;) Aug 25 11:27:50 hehe Aug 25 11:35:26 if I create many Gtk::Images using a stock item does gtk create many duplicates? Aug 25 11:37:36 get the gtk sources and look :) Aug 25 11:37:58 but stock images are so small, I'd say this is negligible if you don't create thousands of them Aug 25 11:38:09 :D Aug 25 11:40:10 lbt, are the stock items images themselves and are you just grabbing a reference to them Aug 25 11:40:30 or are you actually creating new image objects each time (which you can draw on and customize each one) Aug 25 11:40:51 there's a function gtk_image_from_stock() or something like that Aug 25 11:41:19 i hope wallstreet doesnt crash Aug 25 11:45:52 lbt, from my reading of it, yes - you create an icon then fill it with data from the stock library Aug 25 11:46:32 Any knows wehere I can get VLC packages for maemo? Aug 25 11:46:56 back now... Aug 25 11:47:12 Anunakin: check lokidor's posts @ itt Aug 25 11:47:36 I'm doing it in gtkmm -- i_del(Gtk::Stock::DELETE, Gtk::ICON_SIZE_SMALL_TOOLBAR) Aug 25 11:47:52 * qwerty12_N800 can't decide whether to rebuild esd with optmisations Aug 25 11:48:00 qwerty12_N800: OK! Aug 25 11:48:26 * Anunakin Looking for N800 emulator!!! Aug 25 11:48:46 Anunakin: scratchbox? Aug 25 11:49:30 I think he means hrw's proper n800 emulation, not just the processor Aug 25 11:49:49 lbt: No, I want use the poky N800 Emulator, but it needs a patched file... and anyone have it Aug 25 12:11:36 qwerty12_N800, esd ? Aug 25 12:12:04 qwerty12_N800, if you wanna do something fun, get a newer version of gstreamer available :P Aug 25 12:13:22 crashanddie: i'm rebuilding mpd for maemo, because i'd had a shitty experience with the current one,adding optmisations in everything mpd depends on :) Aug 25 12:13:40 wow Aug 25 12:13:51 you're saturday nights must be joy :P Aug 25 12:15:18 lol :p. i've spent 6 hours and i've only built 2 packages. converting the mpd rules file to a standard rules file slowed me down Aug 25 12:15:47 one thing for sure, i'm never doing this again :p Aug 25 12:16:27 sigh, a shame matchbox doesn't support double buffering Aug 25 12:18:14 qwerty12_N800, this is you: http://www.xkcd.com/456/ Aug 25 12:19:08 lol Aug 25 12:21:12 hm... calendar choices for os2008 seems to consist of either gpe-calendar or mcalendar. Both of which lacking. Aug 25 12:21:36 yacoob: yep. Aug 25 12:21:54 it's an internet tablet, not a pda... Aug 25 12:22:10 "And you'll experience it with great force!" Aug 25 12:22:45 but I think I'll be fine with gpe+erminig, as soon as I can make first to start weeks on Monday, and stop second from bailing out Aug 25 12:22:49 Anunakin: I though it was linked on that page Aug 25 12:22:59 With the rest of the info Aug 25 12:23:50 Never had time to look into it Aug 25 12:27:33 yacoob, you can always store your calendar entries from the console, its simple, youi just have to echo "blah blah $date" > newcalentry_$date.cal and to read them back you just have to create a perl script to decode all the filenames and merge them together to display the whole thing and grep to the specific days you want, should only take you a couple of months to get something usable Aug 25 12:28:12 * XTL recommends getting a notebook and learning a system Aug 25 12:28:37 Bound type, glued ones fall apart too fast. Aug 25 12:28:40 lcuk, while I do value irony, you're getting repetative. Aug 25 12:29:01 really, when did i last tell you about calendars? Aug 25 12:29:11 hush. Aug 25 12:30:03 * lcuk gets told Aug 25 12:30:27 what's this calendar thing ? Aug 25 12:30:32 I'm trying very hard to evaluate n810 as a device that doesn't require much twiddling and changing things under hood. Mostly because those kinds of things tend to get stale, and sooner or later you end up with broken functionality AND no time to fix it :) Aug 25 12:30:35 we want a pim Aug 25 12:31:09 oh, wait, wait wait, hang on, lemme guess ! Aug 25 12:31:14 I think we should standardise on gpe-calendar and egroupware Aug 25 12:31:22 yacoob, you're going to rant about how bad the n810 is, right ? Aug 25 12:31:31 yacoob, at present the point is, there are not very good pim clients for this device Aug 25 12:31:35 funnily enough, I've looked at two linux "embedds" last week. Both have the advantages of Linux (you can do stuff) with all disadvantages of Linux (you have to do stuff :) Aug 25 12:31:46 so you can roll your own or accept what there is, there is no all in one Aug 25 12:32:08 crashanddie, not really, I was planning to whine a bit, find the best working solution, and look how this can be improved :) Aug 25 12:32:22 yacoob: gpe-calendar and egroupware Aug 25 12:32:23 Problem is, I never used a PIM, so I don't know what people expect, if I were to write one Aug 25 12:32:34 Hi ... again ... Aug 25 12:32:37 crashanddie: something like gpe-calendar and egroupware Aug 25 12:32:38 need a PIM ? Aug 25 12:32:39 so yacoob you havent yet got a n8x0? Aug 25 12:32:44 lbt, WE HEAR YOUR Aug 25 12:32:45 use mCalendar :) Aug 25 12:32:48 s/your/you/ Aug 25 12:32:53 lbt, I'll probably end up hacking on erming :) Aug 25 12:33:07 * lbt is making sure that people hear about gpe-calendar and egroupware Aug 25 12:33:10 Khertan, mCalendar looks nice, but it's not there yet. For example, it only syncs with your main Google calendar. Aug 25 12:33:23 OK - what's erming.... Aug 25 12:33:27 * lbt goes to see Aug 25 12:33:31 ermmmm Aug 25 12:33:32 yacoob: multi google calendar is ready Aug 25 12:33:40 lbt, djeezus... You said those two app names 4 times in... 2 minutes ! Aug 25 12:33:46 lcuk, I do, I got n810 last week. About the same time I got qnap ts-209, and at the moment I've been spending more time with the latter :) Aug 25 12:33:49 i'm making some test before unleash it Aug 25 12:33:51 yes, to different people Aug 25 12:33:58 s/unleash/release Aug 25 12:33:58 Khertan, neat, I'll give it a go then :) Aug 25 12:33:58 sigh Aug 25 12:34:01 some people... Aug 25 12:34:14 they just don't listen Aug 25 12:34:19 lol @ unleash Aug 25 12:34:22 I know, what can you do... ? Aug 25 12:34:24 :) Aug 25 12:34:33 the qnap looks like a small desktop box - like an apple mini thingy Aug 25 12:34:50 be carefull with ermining ... don't look the code ... Aug 25 12:34:57 or you ll lost your hair :) Aug 25 12:35:01 * lbt saw erminig and went in the other direction Aug 25 12:35:12 lcuk, it's more or less that. You can have qpkg on that, so it's pretty flexible. Aug 25 12:35:14 Khertan, what the hell happened to you, your english used to be better than that Aug 25 12:35:54 crashanddie: i m a bit tired :) Aug 25 12:35:54 yacoob, but they are totally different devices, i can take my 810 anywhere and work, can you (easily) take your desktop + monitor + keyboard + power supply around? Aug 25 12:36:31 lcuk: you can ... Aug 25 12:36:36 I'm really at a loss why people come in here and say they've been using X device more than the NIT they acquired a week ago Aug 25 12:36:39 (easily) Aug 25 12:36:46 lcuk, oh, yes, they're totaly different things. It's just I got both new gadgets about the same time, so at the moment I'm playing with one, and the other is waiting its turn :D Aug 25 12:36:47 It's really starting to get old, and I'm getting pretty pissed off Aug 25 12:37:04 crashanddie, ? Aug 25 12:37:18 nha, nevermind Aug 25 12:37:24 right. Aug 25 12:37:53 I drank too much last night, got an insane headache, I need some coffee Aug 25 12:39:37 crashanddie, mail.. Aug 25 12:40:24 hm, opensync + plugin for google calendar might be an option too. Aug 25 12:40:36 bluetooth symcml support? Aug 25 12:41:02 (from a desktop, looking like a phone) Aug 25 12:41:09 Khertan you around? Aug 25 12:41:11 lcuk, cheers Aug 25 12:41:39 do you need me to send milk or can you handle that? Aug 25 12:42:09 msh, might be an option, although I'd rather be syncing from the origin :) Aug 25 12:44:48 ah, but my definitive calendar is ical.app :) Aug 25 12:49:15 msh, ...which syncs pretty well, since recent release of caldav interface for gcal Aug 25 12:50:35 yeah, I could set up a google account I suppose Aug 25 12:50:58 seems a bit pointless syncing all the way over there. suppose it makes device negotiation easy Aug 25 13:00:29 lcuk, a fried of mine once replied to the question "do you want milk": "I take my coffee, the same way I take my women: black" Aug 25 13:29:53 PING 1219670992 Aug 25 13:34:45 adrewfblack: i m here now :) Aug 25 13:35:56 Khertan I finished that UI just need to send it to you its on my hold computer Aug 25 13:36:30 ;) Aug 25 13:36:38 gmail could receive it :) Aug 25 13:37:09 never did get it in email I got it off your site Aug 25 13:39:36 yep ... same thing Aug 25 13:39:47 khertan@khertan.net is managed by gmail :) Aug 25 13:40:17 hum ... i ve got nothing ... Aug 25 13:40:29 do you have already send it ? Aug 25 13:40:50 no I'll send it when I get home forgot to send it this morning Aug 25 13:41:56 no problemo :) Aug 25 13:44:55 I got the icons looking good and the layout but of course you might have to fix a few things that I didn't do right Aug 25 14:06:02 andrewfblack: :) Aug 25 14:07:37 only thing I havn't made an Icon yet is the Formats and the other thing that was in Pref menu can't remember what it is now but I wasn't sure what those were for so I wasn't sure what to make the icon look like Aug 25 14:09:36 hmm... what is the expected/average response time for requests to be added to planet maemo? :) Aug 25 14:23:35 Sunflower Broadband ? Aug 25 15:11:36 * msh ponders. anyone played much with trying to read the gps with good battery life? Aug 25 15:12:21 if I gpsctrl_set_chip_on, read the /dev/pgps briefly then close it, I still get the OMAP UART2 interrupt counter ticking over Aug 25 15:12:39 but if I sleep long enough that sleeps and the whole gps seems to turn off. Aug 25 15:13:01 it'd be nice to leave the chip running and looking for satellites, but just wake up the kernel etc to read what it has to say every 30 secs or so... Aug 25 15:13:51 I think I remember someone talking about something somewhat related...but I'm not sure if it would help Aug 25 15:14:31 gypsy? Aug 25 15:15:08 osso-esd rules file: "...--enable-dsp --disable-alsa --sysconfdir=/etc" Aug 25 15:15:14 * qwerty12 likes alsa Aug 25 15:17:01 * RST38h likes /dev/dsp Aug 25 15:17:23 Too bad Nokia does not provide it, even via ALSA drivers Aug 25 15:18:21 it's oss... Aug 25 15:18:41 I don't really know how alsa's oss emulation would work in this case either Aug 25 15:18:47 OSS is a bit more Aug 25 15:19:11 There is a core set of fctls which one needs to support Aug 25 15:19:42 They act more or less like Sun's /dev/audio. OSS adds to them a shitload of other stuff Aug 25 15:20:03 well, on desktop linux you can load an alsa oss-emu (sp?) module that gives you a /dev/dsp and /dev/audio Aug 25 15:20:16 ah Aug 25 15:20:41 but that's inside the kernel...and the alsa setup on the tablets isn't in kernel space Aug 25 15:20:43 On FreeBSD, /dev/dsp has been linked to /dev/pcm and supported all the needed calls Aug 25 15:20:55 pcm was inside the kernel as well Aug 25 15:21:18 yeah, well the tablets are really, really special when it comes to sound Aug 25 15:21:44 Still, it is difficult to understand why they wouldn't provide audio support in the kernel Aug 25 15:22:07 Especially considering how buggy and undocumented esd is Aug 25 15:22:07 it is in the kernel :) Aug 25 15:22:16 just not the support you want Aug 25 15:22:21 I mean *standardized* support =) Aug 25 15:22:26 ha! Aug 25 15:22:38 why do it the way everyone else does it when you can do it differently?! Aug 25 15:22:47 individuality and all that Aug 25 15:22:58 yea, the wonders of open source Aug 25 15:23:16 RST38h, actually, this is a Nokia thing for the most part Aug 25 15:23:20 the wonders of closed source... Aug 25 15:23:36 well, both alsa and esd are open source things Aug 25 15:23:46 Nokia sucks when it comes to this but I happily point a finger at TI too :) Aug 25 15:23:55 RST38h, yup, and Nokia made them use a closed backend (a dsp task) Aug 25 15:24:20 qwerty: I do suspect TI has an audio circui that does not require passing data through DSP =) Aug 25 15:25:00 RST38h, yup. It's likely that it's even wired up on our ITs. Just needs a driver, IIRC Aug 25 15:25:02 RST38h: Want to open up your tablet and find out? :> Aug 25 15:25:16 qwerty: rather give me OMAP2 data sheet Aug 25 15:25:32 I tried looking, it's not leaked :( Aug 25 15:25:50 * RST38h tired of tie-wearing idiots who think hiding data sheets will give them competitive advantage Aug 25 15:26:29 For me, I'm not so so bothered if something is closed but then if the people who are coding it are doing a shit job... Aug 25 15:27:14 * qwerty12 has to add I'd be no better but I still like my point :) Aug 25 15:27:22 GNUton: hi Aug 25 15:29:28 Nokia = F***** W******. I can rebuild osso-esd without osso-dsp-headers-rx-*4 but then I have a package with libraries that will refuse to talk to the DSP. Aug 25 15:29:41 aha, gpsctrl_set_internal_power_level looks promising. Aug 25 15:30:12 qwerty12, anyways, why do you want to enable the alsa backend? Aug 25 15:31:32 johnx: It's not the alsa I really want, it's the mpd stuff, I want to optimise everything so I'm rebuilding everything from source. Unfortunately, I can't do that and it seems like Nokia decided not to optimise it. Aug 25 15:35:47 * qwerty12 attempts to alleviate my fear of cdbs Aug 25 15:36:42 qwerty12, aren't the current binaries compiled for size? Aug 25 15:37:03 ie your optimized versionwont fit Aug 25 15:37:23 * trenka does not like cdbs Aug 25 15:37:43 lcuk: no idea. not really bothered about size, if they are bigger, they shouldn't be by much Aug 25 15:38:29 enabling inlining and loop unrolling can extend certain apps by very considerable margins, just keep an eye on the size difference Aug 25 15:39:14 lcuk: oh no, I'm going for simple optimisation. I've left the heavy optimisation on my x11vnc rebuild. Aug 25 15:39:25 lol Aug 25 15:39:27 export CFLAGS="-Os -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -fomit-frame-pointer" Aug 25 15:39:39 * lcuk simply uses -O3 Aug 25 15:40:00 Gentlemen, you are using a system with very slow memory Aug 25 15:40:11 Do not expect inlining and loop unrolling help you ;) Aug 25 15:40:19 At least not as much as you hope for Aug 25 15:40:46 i KNOW it helps with what i do :) Aug 25 15:41:25 the speed test in liqbase goes from 3.2fps to 6.5 (this is rendering preset fixed text 1000 lines per frame) Aug 25 15:41:30 3.2=noopt Aug 25 15:41:34 Right now, the bigger problem for me is cdbs :) Aug 25 15:41:47 Though zap helped me a lot before Aug 25 15:41:53 im gonna test your compiler optimizations qwerty12 :) Aug 25 15:42:30 lcuk: not much and certainly not mine :). I just grabbed them from maemo and simplified them down :) Aug 25 15:42:37 You should have seen my first list... Aug 25 15:43:00 heh, i havent tried any specific opts, so with these i will see how much they matter (for my case) Aug 25 15:43:02 X11vnc CFLAGS = -g -Wall -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -s -pipe -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-loops=2 -fstrict-aliasing -mstructure-size-boundary=32 -fexpensive-optimizations -fweb -frename-registers -falign-functions=32 -falign-labels -falign-jumps Aug 25 15:43:12 * qwerty12 rolls eyes after seeing the size of that list Aug 25 15:43:13 holy mother of textwallness Aug 25 15:43:27 * qwerty12 also has a feeling a lot of them are crap Aug 25 15:43:49 Though x11vnc does run better for me though now Aug 25 15:44:06 yer ill let you know how this goes, ive wanted some various examples of the opt flags Aug 25 15:45:47 RST38h, it was you who suggested using perl script to highlight gcc :) thank you, i relooked and made something which works Aug 25 15:46:28 * lcuk has yellow warnings and red errors Aug 25 15:47:07 make 2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/warning/\e[33mwarn \e[0m/; s/error/\007\e[31mERROR \e[0m/' Aug 25 15:47:28 Do you have a function for making the computer screen flash blue and play police siren sound? Aug 25 15:47:39 qwerty12, do you use gentoo by any chance? :) Aug 25 15:47:45 qwerty12: windows bluescreening and overheating CPU? Aug 25 15:48:05 yacoob: No, Ubuntu user :). Aug 25 15:48:14 just curious 8) Aug 25 15:48:30 Stskeeps: hehe, I'm finding Linux more unstable atm :/ Aug 25 15:49:05 I got a beagleboard (omap3) today. Now I should find something to do with it.. Aug 25 15:50:21 kulve, what distro are you running on it? Aug 25 15:50:35 nothing yet :) Aug 25 15:50:56 probably first attempt is ångstrom as there's working images for it Aug 25 15:51:11 sounds reasonable Aug 25 15:51:25 angstrom is pretty nice Aug 25 15:51:52 kulve, what display are you driving with it? Aug 25 15:52:02 normal monitor? Aug 25 15:52:42 yeah Aug 25 15:53:24 i hope a prebuilt device comes out soon with touch :) Aug 25 15:54:38 I'm sure there will be omap3 based devices a lot soon. Didn't archos just announced a player with omap3? Can't remember if it was touchscreen though.. Aug 25 15:55:16 yeah, the ompa3 is going to be everywhere Aug 25 15:55:40 there was a video of the pandora the other day at a gaming con too Aug 25 15:55:48 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8246055816.html Aug 25 15:55:54 this one has a touchscreen Aug 25 15:56:37 actually that's known to be cortex A8, not sure about omap3 yet.. Aug 25 15:58:30 timeless: re 87658, do you have some particular set that needs reprocessing? Aug 25 15:58:40 of hints to constrain the set Aug 25 15:59:47 s/of/or/ Aug 25 15:59:47 sp3000 meant: or hints to constrain the set Aug 25 15:59:55 ~lart infobot Aug 25 15:59:55 * infobot urinates on sp3000 Aug 25 16:00:07 >:| Aug 25 16:00:18 ahaha Aug 25 16:00:47 qwerty12, i tried your LONG opt string, and your medium opt string, and my -O3 and no optimisations, in order of speed: none(1.9), long opt(5.8), O3(5.9), medium opt(5.9) Aug 25 16:01:05 ive just put back my -O3 and stopped messing :) Aug 25 16:01:19 lcuk: crap, thanks for that. Aug 25 16:02:24 its ok, but the diff between your opt string and mine is so neglible its not worth adding to the complexity. just letting gcc do its stuff is enough in my case Aug 25 16:03:31 I guess it depends on what your code uses, I'm compiling audio stuff so there's a chance that the floating point will be used and the medium opt may speed things up. Aug 25 16:03:51 Only 9 more libs to compile :) Aug 25 16:04:08 i use some floats to do the scaling and aspect ratio stuff for drawing sketches Aug 25 16:04:27 evey single point drawn has to be tranformed Aug 25 16:04:46 qwerty12: do you know that you can pass gcc options directly to gcc without playing around with CFLAGS (that some apps may ignore)? Aug 25 16:05:29 kulve: yeah, thanks. I'm checking the compile log to see if any optimisations are missed out. Aug 25 16:06:01 qwerty12: I'm talking about SBOX_EXTRA_COMPILER_ARGS (or something like that) Aug 25 16:06:11 they won't even show up in any logs Aug 25 16:07:04 in C++/stl if I iterate round a and remove() the item the *iter points to should iter++ work? Aug 25 16:07:12 kulve: ah, ok, I didn't know that. Thanks for that, will save me time Aug 25 16:07:59 qwerty12: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/EnvironmentVariables Aug 25 16:09:03 qwerty12: btw run-standalone.sh seems to overwrite LC_ALL/stuff :P Aug 25 16:09:10 so it's a tradeoff Aug 25 16:09:46 either that i should just learn how to export variables properly in python.. Aug 25 16:09:54 qwerty12: if you also set SBOX_VERBOSE_WRAPPER to anything you get verbose gcc wrapper and you can see the actual gcc arguments. But those extra prints make some configure scripts to fail because they interpret that extra print as error Aug 25 16:10:36 *nod*, thanks a lot for that. I'll go back and check again :) Aug 25 16:10:38 does exist python-osso bindings? The ones I have found use an older version of the library... Aug 25 16:10:51 Stskeeps: Selectively export the themeing variables :P Aug 25 16:11:00 *theming Aug 25 16:15:54 * lbt realises that I should be using erase() Aug 25 16:20:44 hey ariya! :) Aug 25 16:20:58 aha, gps_driver is reading /dev/ttyS0. that would explain things. Aug 25 16:21:09 shame I can't do anything about it though :-\ Aug 25 16:24:15 ~lart scratchbox Aug 25 16:24:15 * infobot changes scratchbox's permissions to 0777 and tells the world Aug 25 16:26:32 * qwerty12 finally got cdbs to use my cflags instead. Turns out that scratchbox diverts usage of cdbs to the one in the debian-etch devkit. Aug 25 16:34:00 holy crap this channel is huge Aug 25 16:34:06 bots??? Aug 25 16:34:17 fiekia: yes, only bots, nothing else Aug 25 16:35:02 oh ok Aug 25 16:35:22 andre___, lol@osso-mail. Aug 25 16:35:57 GeneralAntilles, well. I don't change things because I love changing. ;-) Aug 25 16:35:57 GNUton: I need to leave now, I'll talk to you tomorrow then! Aug 25 16:36:06 got to go... Aug 25 16:37:24 hmm really wish dopewars was ported Aug 25 16:39:20 fiekia: penguinbait's got a build somewhere Aug 25 16:40:26 thanks Aug 25 16:40:36 ive got to get back to work Aug 25 16:40:38 ttyl Aug 25 16:42:06 http://penguinbait.com/dopewars.deb Aug 25 16:42:16 ariya: ok, no problem, Aug 25 16:49:43 Hello again (Apple computer copyright) Aug 25 16:49:47 hmm, maemo going x.org? where did that come from? Aug 25 16:50:15 wiki freemanthle roadmap Aug 25 16:50:29 iff i remember well Aug 25 16:52:02 romaxa_: yt Aug 25 16:53:25 awesome game works Aug 25 16:53:36 is a little cramped buut works Aug 25 16:53:45 lata Aug 25 16:55:04 t_s_o, bugzilla. Aug 25 16:55:14 It's in one of the Xserver bugs. Aug 25 16:55:39 What a load of shit threads on itT today Aug 25 16:55:49 X.org != window manage Aug 25 16:55:52 *manager Aug 25 17:02:31 Is Xomap a fork of something or some completely new eg reference design? Aug 25 17:02:58 Xfree86? Aug 25 17:03:48 Xomap is based on KDrive Aug 25 17:04:18 I see Aug 25 17:04:44 Interesting use of eg, btw. Aug 25 17:05:42 There doesn't seem to be a very clear project page or anything Aug 25 17:05:52 Just crossed my mind. Aug 25 17:06:18 There really isn't any information available about it on the net Aug 25 17:07:54 KDrive has a page Aug 25 17:08:05 Sadface. I thought it was possible to replace the battery with the AC charger connected without powering down the device. Aug 25 17:08:19 Here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xserver Aug 25 17:08:58 Gracana, no. Aug 25 17:09:13 The charger can't supply enough juice to completely power the device under load, anyway. Aug 25 17:09:31 I'm hoping for a "fat cap" to allow battery hot-swaps in the next tablet. Aug 25 17:10:02 Has anyone tried putting a cap in the PSU? Aug 25 17:10:22 Obviously it has greater than average power than the device draws, because it can charge it while it's running. Aug 25 17:10:37 greather than the average power the device draws, rather Aug 25 17:10:43 The device draws nearly nothing at idle Aug 25 17:10:44 * Gracana speak english good Aug 25 17:10:49 with the n3410 and the zpm we will don t need to switch baterry Aug 25 17:10:50 but I didn't say idle Aug 25 17:10:52 I say under load. Aug 25 17:10:56 s/say/said/ Aug 25 17:10:56 GeneralAntilles meant: I said under load. Aug 25 17:11:11 so useless ! Aug 25 17:11:29 GA, can the condescending attitude please. Aug 25 17:11:55 how to close a channel tab in xchat?? Aug 25 17:12:09 pupnik810, tab the little x button. Aug 25 17:12:12 the x button under the tabs Aug 25 17:12:14 Unless you're in tree view Aug 25 17:12:20 then /part Aug 25 17:12:29 a ctrl-w will probably do /something/ Aug 25 17:12:32 I know what /you/ said, I'm saying that if it can supply sufficient average power, then it might be possible to simply beef up the power supply to handle spikes. Aug 25 17:12:35 oooh ty Aug 25 17:12:36 Then change to button view. Aug 25 17:12:45 Gracana, OK, whatever. Aug 25 17:12:49 * GeneralAntilles goes back to doing useful things. Aug 25 17:12:55 That assumes that the device's charging circuitry can handle that, of course. Aug 25 17:13:14 Wow. Aug 25 17:14:04 Apparently I'm not worthy enough to argue with the gods. ;) Aug 25 17:14:18 nah, he just gets cranky sometimes Aug 25 17:15:03 but I was under the impression that the device ran directly off the battery and the dc-input just went to charging the battery Aug 25 17:15:16 thus, why it will turn off when the battery is removed Aug 25 17:15:26 Oh, that could be. Aug 25 17:15:53 I don't know anything about the battery (other than it's lithium ion), maybe the third terminal is just for charging? Aug 25 17:16:16 I always assumed it was for data, but data can just as easily be sent along the power rails. Aug 25 17:19:09 Oh wait, I recall why I was under the impression that it would continue to run. If the device freezes and you're connected to AC power, you have to disconnect that and the battery. Aug 25 17:19:44 But don't quote me on that, that's what I remember. That may not coincide with reality. Aug 25 17:21:00 I'll try and pull my battery while plugged into AC if you'd like :) Aug 25 17:21:21 bye johnx ;) Aug 25 17:21:51 heh, running IRC on my desktop qwerty12_N800 :P Aug 25 17:22:02 or rather your tablet while it starts up again :) Aug 25 17:22:16 yeah just realised :D Aug 25 17:22:18 Gracana, yup. just turned off like I expected Aug 25 17:22:46 i hope you sync'd before doing that :p Aug 25 17:22:51 meh Aug 25 17:22:54 johnx, can you get it to crash first? Aug 25 17:23:00 mtd + jffs2 are picky as hell :p Aug 25 17:23:10 ouch sourceforge is now only an advertising server ? Aug 25 17:23:11 the j in jffs2 is for journalling... Aug 25 17:23:35 Gracana, sorry, I don't really get what you mean? Aug 25 17:23:59 johnx: i'm always getting jffs2 errors. my tablet reboots upon startup multiple times to fix them :\ Aug 25 17:24:21 qwerty12_N800, that's interesting. I've never had a problem with jffs2 on any device I owned Aug 25 17:24:52 johnx, erm, nevermind, I must have remove ac power first. I was thinking that it was a software controlled thing.. Device crashes, remove battery, it continues to stay on until power is unplugged.. But I just realized I probably did that in the opposite sequence ;) Aug 25 17:25:06 Remove power, it's still on.. *removes battery* Aug 25 17:25:15 exactly Aug 25 17:25:21 johnx: bad behaviour on my part, multiple flashes, removing battery lots etc Aug 25 17:25:46 qwerty12_N800, could be not-so-healthy flash memory Aug 25 17:26:00 johnx: yeah :) Aug 25 17:26:06 * qwerty12_N800 sets up sd boot Aug 25 17:26:08 there's no real reason that flashing it is worse than just using it and saving files Aug 25 17:26:33 and when I was first hacking Debian onto mine, do you think I didn't pull the battery about a bazillion times? Aug 25 17:26:48 apart from flashing effects a hell of a lot more of the surface than just modifying random files Aug 25 17:26:51 sourceforge really suck now ! Aug 25 17:27:00 what's the proper way to add a menu item for a debian package? Aug 25 17:27:10 johnx: ah, but have you flashed 15 initfs's consecutivly (spelling, sorry) Aug 25 17:27:30 manyoso: look at the maemo wiki Aug 25 17:27:36 qwerty12_N800, guess not :P Aug 25 17:27:40 the docs sugges 'maemo-select-menu-location' but that's only for choosing Aug 25 17:27:58 oh dear christ Aug 25 17:28:02 manyoso: it also has a default setting though Aug 25 17:28:10 * Gracana just formatted the wrong drive Aug 25 17:28:13 Ooooooooooooops. Aug 25 17:28:13 which is perfectly alright since people can choose where it goes then Aug 25 17:28:20 oh shit Gracana Aug 25 17:28:22 I honestly can't believe that this channel is so big. Aug 25 17:28:27 I dunno why :-/ Aug 25 17:28:28 Well, I suppose their wasn't anything very useful on there. Aug 25 17:28:29 fie_wrk: people love their tablets Aug 25 17:28:29 :P Aug 25 17:28:29 Gracana, which fs? Aug 25 17:28:30 Stskeeps: it is clear where this app should go Aug 25 17:28:32 whats so big about it? Aug 25 17:28:37 Stskeeps, Apparently. Aug 25 17:28:50 manyoso, make a .desktop file under /usr/share/applications/hildon (sp?), IIRC Aug 25 17:28:52 Anyone have the magnetic cover? Aug 25 17:28:55 I formatted my linux/windows drive instead of the secondary drive I was installing MacOS onto. Aug 25 17:29:08 Well, the good news is that SATA support works. Aug 25 17:29:11 as long as it was a windows drive no1 will cry Aug 25 17:29:13 :| Aug 25 17:29:14 Gracana, formatted or just repartitioned? Aug 25 17:29:17 johnx: i've done that, but it doesn't show up Aug 25 17:29:29 Just repartitioned, johnx. I guess I could restore the table. Aug 25 17:29:39 manyoso, that should do it Aug 25 17:29:48 Gracana, yeah, you're lucky...really lucky Aug 25 17:30:05 manyoso: it only doesn't show if you put it in /usr/share/applications ;) Aug 25 17:30:06 johnx, why, is there any easy way to restore the partition table? Aug 25 17:30:21 Gracana, let me find the app I used last time. one sec Aug 25 17:30:31 cool, ok. Aug 25 17:30:43 It is not a huge deal if this drive is trashed. All my important stuff is on another machine. Aug 25 17:30:48 It would jut be lame. Aug 25 17:31:02 * Stskeeps chose to have a file server with ZFS and store all his documents on there, with a backup system replicating his /home Aug 25 17:31:06 qwerty12_N800: it is in /usr/share/applications/hildon Aug 25 17:31:11 (and raidz) Aug 25 17:31:15 never been happier, no data loss Aug 25 17:31:16 :P Aug 25 17:31:40 someone used roadmap and got some openstreetmap data? what to do? Aug 25 17:31:44 Stskeeps, I would like to do something like that. What I do right now is keep important files on three different computers. :P Aug 25 17:31:51 That way I can fuck up two and I'll still have them. Aug 25 17:32:11 manyoso: should show then unless the desktop file is at fault. maybe call update-desktop-database? Aug 25 17:32:29 ok Aug 25 17:32:33 i post all my important code to irc, that way i can just scrollback when i need to Aug 25 17:32:50 haha Aug 25 17:33:38 qwerty12_N800: there it is! thanks Aug 25 17:33:46 now do you know what controls which menu it is in? Aug 25 17:34:00 right now it is in 'Extras' Aug 25 17:34:15 but there is nothing in the desktop file that would put it there Aug 25 17:34:21 per se Aug 25 17:35:13 Gracana, I believe it was testdisk Aug 25 17:35:34 manyoso: add maemo-select-menu-location as a dependency, run maemo-select-menu-location Aug 25 17:35:52 johnx, that is an awesome tool. I will definitely try that out. Aug 25 17:35:56 run that from the postinst Aug 25 17:36:06 @manyoso Aug 25 17:36:27 qwerty12_N800: but how to do it without giving the user the choice? Aug 25 17:37:25 manyoso: don t do thid Aug 25 17:37:30 Gracana, yeah, I actually *formatted* my 500GB storage drive FAT32 over an ext3 fs when I mistook which /dev file it was Aug 25 17:37:30 s/thid/this Aug 25 17:37:50 johnx, and you got it all back? o.o Aug 25 17:37:52 I thought I was formatted an SD card...but it got about 99% of everything back Aug 25 17:37:52 manyoso: it takes a 3rd argument. can't remember the exact possible commands but to put something in utilities automaticly, use maemo-select-menu-location tana_fi_utilites Aug 25 17:38:01 (spelling) Aug 25 17:38:07 johnx, wow, that is impressive. Aug 25 17:38:33 timeless: you around? Aug 25 17:38:48 well, FAT32 will just overwrite a very small bit at the beginning of the disk, and ext2/3 keeps backup superblocks all over the place Aug 25 17:38:53 but yeah, I was lucky Aug 25 17:39:49 I once accidentally started to erase my root reiserfs partition. Erased a bunch of partition data at the beginning. I couldn't get the reiserfs tools to fix it.. What I ended up doing was kind of weird. I dd'd /dev/zero over the entire beginning of the partition, and then used the reiserfs tools to restore the partition from scratch. It worked! Aug 25 17:40:21 johnx, yeah, if you had used a different fs, you'd have been quite screwed. Aug 25 17:40:26 how does time stay synced on the tablets? no ntp? Aug 25 17:41:21 lbt: i use rdate and run retutime to shove the updated system time on the hardware clock Aug 25 17:41:27 Gracana, oh, I'm sure. :) Aug 25 17:41:54 What a draining feeling that is.. Aug 25 17:42:07 "Oh god, it's all gone. *enter zombie mode trying to fix it*" Aug 25 17:42:32 anything is recoverable, it just depends on how motivated you are Aug 25 17:43:22 qwerty12_N800: ta - I'll look Aug 25 17:43:40 I suppose you're right. Aug 25 17:43:53 Even if you write a new partition table and filesystem over it, the data is still mostly there. Aug 25 17:44:06 bye Aug 25 17:44:11 Hell, even if you write over it, it can be somewhat recoverable. Aug 25 17:45:16 lbt: it doesn't run automaticly but you can add a cronjob. i think ntpd is compiled somewhere too. Aug 25 17:46:39 * qwerty12_N800 has only got 3 more libs to compile. i'd share the updated mpd but i've compiled it with libmp4ff :/ Aug 25 17:48:20 Gracana: i have my systems in three seperate locations, so my data is safer from fire ;> Aug 25 17:49:01 * qwerty12_N800 uses a blowtorch with butane canisterz on all 3 Aug 25 17:49:20 two of them is underground, one of them you need to go through three doors Aug 25 17:49:20 :P Aug 25 17:49:27 Stskeeps, ah. My setup is not that organized, but I suppose I do have my important data copied to drives in different geographical locations. Aug 25 17:49:50 Stskeeps: I'll use more butane :p Aug 25 17:50:00 Whee, do you have 3 colo boxes or what? Aug 25 17:50:11 nah, net admin of a dorm Aug 25 17:50:11 :P Aug 25 17:50:24 so have different locations to place boxen Aug 25 17:50:29 Oh hehe Aug 25 17:50:50 ~lart toothache Aug 25 17:50:51 * infobot tries to shut toothache up Aug 25 17:50:59 Saying "underground" sounds a lot cooler than "basement of a dorm" :P Aug 25 17:51:22 * johnx has friends with too much space on their hands and fast inet connections :) Aug 25 17:51:24 well it is underground.. they say that this dorm would be standing even after a nuclear war Aug 25 17:51:27 :P Aug 25 17:51:39 as it's like.. serious concrete Aug 25 17:51:58 Stskeeps: Ah, but will it survive a qwerty12 war? Aug 25 17:51:59 sounds pretty Aug 25 17:52:23 hehe, yeah :P Aug 25 17:52:46 * lbt goes to encode his data into the DNA of cockroaches... Aug 25 17:55:01 someone seriously need to find a way to fix rdnis on n8x0 kernels Aug 25 17:55:09 that, or compile g_serial.k Aug 25 17:55:10 o Aug 25 17:56:12 rndis, my bad Aug 25 17:56:21 hmm? is it really a problem on the n8x0 or is it a problem on the windows side? Aug 25 17:56:56 zap's bug is a good thing to look at if someone wants to fix. i compared 2.6.18 and .21 and there is a lot of musb + gadget changes Aug 25 17:56:59 hm, anyone tried using automounter on tablet? Aug 25 17:57:17 johnx: 2.6.21 kernel problem Aug 25 17:57:51 g_ether seems to work fine when connected to linux Aug 25 17:57:58 I haven't stressed it much, admittedly Aug 25 17:58:14 yeah, rndis is windows specific Aug 25 17:58:53 g_serial could be fun as it may be possible to put a serial console that way :P Aug 25 17:59:21 qwerty12_N800: have you tried musb from latest kernel? Aug 25 17:59:23 but wouldnt you need the jtag adapter Aug 25 17:59:44 lcuk: well if you load it in initfs Aug 25 18:00:03 admittedly it's not a -real- serial console, but it would output console messages if done properly Aug 25 18:00:09 zap: no, i wanted to port the .18 one but never got around to it Aug 25 18:05:33 * Stskeeps goes take another shot at a workaround for the fsck/udev bug Aug 25 18:08:24 "retu-adc #8: 476 batt: 50% [###___] idle:120.4h idle(w/wifi):45.3h" - "idle:120.4h idle(w/wifi):45.3h". I doubt that. Aug 25 18:09:29 yeah, it gives some funny results once in a while Aug 25 18:09:31 I believe the 5 days Aug 25 18:09:38 I don't believe the wifi idle time Aug 25 18:09:58 maybe 4.5h of "wifi idle" Aug 25 18:11:01 * Stskeeps moves udev to another place in the boot process and tries to see how bad that goes. Aug 25 18:11:38 * johnx plays with lxde/openbox and midori Aug 25 18:11:59 having fast javascript is nice Aug 25 18:12:57 someone should update bundyo's midori hildonisation patch to the latest svn :> Aug 25 18:12:57 midori.. whats that again? Aug 25 18:13:08 are the dbus APIs for Chinook published anywhere in the reference docs? anyone got an URI offhand? Aug 25 18:13:08 Stskeeps, webkit-gtk browser Aug 25 18:13:11 ah Aug 25 18:13:29 brb booting into ubuntu since my tablet stalled at deblet boot. wonderful. Aug 25 18:14:49 Ah, another rounds of made up power consumption figures to compare x86 to ARM. Aug 25 18:14:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21233&goto=newpost Aug 25 18:21:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aJ6bTnco00 Aug 25 18:49:44 johnx: You here? Aug 25 18:49:52 Anunakin, for a bit Aug 25 18:49:56 gonna head to sleep in a couple minutes Aug 25 18:49:59 what's up? Aug 25 18:50:31 johnx: I compiled g77 ... from diablo sources Aug 25 18:51:03 ah, cool I guess. Are you a big Fortran fan? Aug 25 18:51:03 johnx: Just now I compiling another math program for maemo... not hildonized at all Aug 25 18:51:51 johnx: no, just ... some cool programs ... uses fortran for compile Aug 25 18:51:58 sounds good, then Aug 25 18:53:11 how do i install a damn icon in the menu? Aug 25 18:53:28 it should be the 'Icon=' line in the .desktop file, but nothing works Aug 25 18:53:50 But, any knows where to get a sound equalizer for canola? Aug 25 18:54:01 i've installed the icon to /usr/share/icons/26x26/hildon/ but no go Aug 25 18:54:10 manyoso, look at the .desktop and icon locations for a package that does Aug 25 18:54:21 i've done gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor Aug 25 18:54:24 something simple, like maemopad Aug 25 18:54:25 johnx, i have Aug 25 18:54:30 i looked at skype Aug 25 18:54:38 * qwerty12_N800 recommends fms's packages Aug 25 18:54:48 no ideas then Aug 25 18:54:48 i verified that if I do 'Icon=skype' the skype icon shows up for my app Aug 25 18:55:04 anyways, I need to catch some sleep Aug 25 18:55:06 'night all Aug 25 18:55:07 nini Aug 25 18:55:12 night johnx Aug 25 18:55:19 * Stskeeps goes commit his fsck workaround Aug 25 18:55:23 so then i did 'find . *|grep skype' and found only two png's both under /usr/share/icons/hicolor Aug 25 18:55:32 Stskeeps, congrats :) Aug 25 18:55:33 so i overwrote those two pngs with my own icon Aug 25 18:55:39 but still the damn skype icon shows up Aug 25 18:55:46 johnx: its a bad bad workaround Aug 25 18:55:58 Stskeeps, my favorite kind :) Aug 25 18:55:58 johnx: fsck rootfs manually before udev starts Aug 25 18:55:59 :/ Aug 25 18:56:00 and i've tried gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor but this does nothing Aug 25 18:56:05 without console or anything Aug 25 18:56:21 manyoso, use dpkg -L package-name to see all the icon files a package owns Aug 25 18:57:53 shit, this compile time is infinite Aug 25 18:58:09 johnx: that shows the same thing. and i've verified that I overwrote both of those with my own icon Aug 25 18:58:20 but still the menu shows the skype icon Aug 25 18:59:01 anyone have a link to a working .deb of freeciv? I tried to build from SVN trunk, but it restarts my N810 after a few minutes at the menu, which seems largely unresponsive. Aug 25 18:59:21 from the garage project's SVN trunk, I mean. Aug 25 18:59:36 wtf Aug 25 19:05:08 manyoso: i think the g-u-i-cache does not flush the icons already cached by the menu. better name them differently instead of just overwriting them. Aug 25 19:06:23 (you need to restart the desktop or the device in that case) Aug 25 19:15:01 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=217345&postcount=76 <- some people -really- have too much time on their hands. Aug 25 19:17:16 Any knows why occur this error: "Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 3)" ? Aug 25 19:17:47 Khertan: ping Aug 25 19:18:42 Just an announcement - Shopper is now at 0.3.5 in extras-devel and works fairly well. Some cosmetic work and maybe some performance tweaks needed. Aug 25 19:19:10 What's Shopper? Aug 25 19:20:15 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/ Aug 25 19:20:52 Cool Aug 25 19:22:52 where can I get themes for my N800? Aug 25 19:25:10 There are a few on the maemo site Aug 25 19:25:14 lbt ... im going to try it out now :) Aug 25 19:27:38 Hey I recently bought a battery for my N800 but its not an original by the looks of it ... is this safe to use? Aug 25 19:29:20 lbt: i think i may have fixed the fsck bug now.. by making fsck be run before udev Aug 25 19:37:16 manyoso, i was going to say too that a restart is needed often times to pick up new stuff Aug 25 19:38:15 Why are people so dead set on bad features? https://bugs.maemo.org/process_bug.cgi Aug 25 19:38:23 I'd have to guess he's a Windows user. Aug 25 19:40:06 how do I install new themes on my N800? Aug 25 19:40:25 Just install them Aug 25 19:40:30 They're no different from normal packages. Aug 25 19:41:28 I downloaded a tar.gz file ... Aug 25 19:41:38 from here Aug 25 19:41:39 http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Maemo?content=25226&PHPSESSID=df5da8b0c13328546e38997d908946ca Aug 25 19:41:39 back now :) Aug 25 19:41:52 moontiger: let me know how it goes Aug 25 19:42:09 zethero1: That's not actually a tablet theme Aug 25 19:42:20 ok? Aug 25 19:42:24 turns out there maemo build of gtkmm is minimal Aug 25 19:42:30 zethero1: you wanted a gnome theme? Aug 25 19:42:32 so the _vfuncs are turned off Aug 25 19:42:47 Navi_: sure Aug 25 19:42:48 which is bloody irritating when porting Aug 25 19:42:52 You just have to untar it in ~/.theme and change the metacity setting Aug 25 19:42:53 gparted would be a straight port otherwise Aug 25 19:42:54 :P Aug 25 19:42:57 yes Aug 25 19:43:06 or ~/.themes Aug 25 19:43:08 I don't remember Aug 25 19:43:14 well, there are workarounds - access the gobj() Aug 25 19:43:18 (ugh!!) Aug 25 19:43:22 They're not very consistent with the pluralities Aug 25 19:43:52 ~extras Aug 25 19:43:53 extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Aug 25 19:44:06 ~extras-upload Aug 25 19:44:12 anyhow Navi_, moontiger, I would be pleased if you tried it and let me know of any issues... Aug 25 19:44:17 ~extras-devel Aug 25 19:44:26 doh! Aug 25 19:44:29 zethero1: yeah, it's ~/.themes Aug 25 19:44:31 ~upload-extras Aug 25 19:44:32 hmm... upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Aug 25 19:44:36 GAsux Aug 25 19:44:40 doh! doh! Aug 25 19:44:48 ~extras-upload is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Aug 25 19:44:49 okay, GeneralAntilles Aug 25 19:44:50 lbt: are we talking about the shopping list? Aug 25 19:44:53 yes Aug 25 19:44:55 ~extras-uploading is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Aug 25 19:44:56 GeneralAntilles: okay Aug 25 19:45:04 all right, I'll give it a go, lbt Aug 25 19:45:04 ~uploading-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Aug 25 19:45:05 okay, GeneralAntilles Aug 25 19:45:11 Solved. Aug 25 19:45:31 Navi_: so that would be through the terminal .. right? Aug 25 19:45:47 zethero1: well, you can tar it to ~/.themes/ in any way you'd like Aug 25 19:46:00 with your favorite uncompressor or whatnot Aug 25 19:46:13 and the metacity theme setting is in the gnome control panel somewhere Aug 25 19:46:16 so that link I sent to you ... was that a tablet theme? Aug 25 19:46:20 Nah Aug 25 19:46:25 that was a gnome theme Aug 25 19:46:26 hmm Aug 25 19:46:36 ~extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel Aug 25 19:46:36 like I had said before :P Aug 25 19:46:36 okay, GeneralAntilles Aug 25 19:46:37 do you know of any good themes for tablets? Aug 25 19:46:55 NuvoClear is a pretty popular tablet theme Aug 25 19:47:15 Aren't the server upgrades supposed to be coming this week? . . . Aug 25 19:49:26 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ Aug 25 19:49:52 Suck less, GeneralAntilles Aug 25 19:51:07 ~lart python Aug 25 19:51:07 * infobot send killer squirrels to attack python Aug 25 19:51:23 ~python qwerty12_N800 Aug 25 19:51:24 * infobot sends a jittery python to attack qwerty12_N800. Aug 25 19:51:40 lol Aug 25 19:51:42 HOLY SHIT Aug 25 19:52:27 * qwerty12_N800 lied Aug 25 19:52:54 How well does VGB run? Aug 25 19:53:03 Better than Navi_ runs. Aug 25 19:53:23 GeneralAntilles: shut up, if you want pics of me walking down the street with a wiimote and tablet. Aug 25 19:53:52 wiimote and tablet = Navi's chainz Aug 25 19:54:01 The dedicated gamer. Aug 25 19:54:15 nubz Aug 25 19:54:26 I want some POKEY MANS Aug 25 19:54:28 * GeneralAntilles throws a pile of Pandora mock-ups at Navi. Aug 25 19:54:34 * Navi_ dies Aug 25 19:54:59 I want Cokemon but vgb refuses to load it :( Aug 25 19:55:15 It's because you suck. Aug 25 19:55:55 suck your pokéballs Aug 25 19:57:29 So... is internettablettalk dying a bit? There doesn't seem to be any real news in the last month or so... Aug 25 19:57:32 GeneralAntilles, what do i have to change when i upload a new version of my app to make it show up as an update? Aug 25 19:57:46 the version... Aug 25 19:58:11 add a new changelog entry C-C C-v in emacs Aug 25 19:58:14 ccooke: define "real news"? :P Aug 25 19:58:16 ccooke: we're just all too busy playing with our N900s Aug 25 19:58:24 even too busy to announce it Aug 25 19:58:41 the laser projected full size keyboard is cool Aug 25 19:58:51 Pretty impractical, though Aug 25 19:58:57 cats like it Aug 25 19:59:01 ccooke: there's plenty activity going about in the deblet threads and different people doing kde/gnome etc on tablets, and bootmenu trouble Aug 25 19:59:03 Navi_: *laugh* Aug 25 19:59:05 :P Aug 25 19:59:05 what else matters Aug 25 19:59:08 ccooke, itT has been dying for a very long time. Aug 25 19:59:19 itT can't die Aug 25 19:59:30 the guy who runs it is like, the smartest guy in the world Aug 25 19:59:38 (doesn't run deblet then) Aug 25 19:59:47 * lbt runs and hides Aug 25 20:00:03 Navi_: The n900's the one that has a built in fusion plant, right? Aug 25 20:00:16 * Stskeeps yawns and passes lbt the coffee pot Aug 25 20:00:21 * qwerty12_N800 shoots lbt for Stskeeps Aug 25 20:00:26 The N900 is powered by the hopes and dreams of little children. Aug 25 20:00:26 Of course not. It's next door, in the anti-matter containment field Aug 25 20:00:47 GeneralAntilles: i heard it was made by little children. Aug 25 20:00:48 Stskeeps: OK - how do I patch my deblet to include your fix... Aug 25 20:00:53 lbt: sec Aug 25 20:01:17 edit your /etc/fstab to have 0 0 in the end of rootfs instead, and replace /etc/init.d/boot-basics with this file..: Aug 25 20:01:40 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/nit-base-packages/boot-basics/etc/init.d/boot-basics Aug 25 20:01:51 .. or just upgrade_deblet and apt-get dist-upgrade Aug 25 20:02:04 (if you have a running deblet) Aug 25 20:02:09 can't boot yet Aug 25 20:02:15 ah Aug 25 20:02:21 it will prolly work in chroot too Aug 25 20:02:25 er Aug 25 20:02:26 no Aug 25 20:02:32 just replace that file :P Aug 25 20:02:54 * Stskeeps needs to look into debian chroot and upgrade path Aug 25 20:03:10 do dbus messages get handled through the event loop? Aug 25 20:03:25 or are the handled in some other magic way? Aug 25 20:03:25 ok Aug 25 20:03:52 dougt: i think it's the underpants gnomes delivering them to the application Aug 25 20:03:53 :P Aug 25 20:04:00 does trac have a download url ? like ....bootbasics?format=raw Aug 25 20:04:18 lbt, thnx Aug 25 20:04:34 im looking thru ur app and will give u feedback later Aug 25 20:04:46 :D Aug 25 20:05:16 * lbt says "yes lbt - there's a dl link at the bottom of the page you idiot" Aug 25 20:05:36 lbt: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/nit-base-packages/boot-basics/etc/init.d/boot-basics Aug 25 20:05:39 as well Aug 25 20:05:40 :P Aug 25 20:07:06 ooh - I've got diff on my tablet at last... Aug 25 20:07:11 I like deblet Aug 25 20:07:53 is there a way to graphically browse the filesystem? Aug 25 20:08:04 file manager? Aug 25 20:09:42 emelfm2, mc etc Aug 25 20:09:42 how do I get into root? Aug 25 20:09:43 https://wiki.maemo.org/ Aug 25 20:09:43 ~rootsh Aug 25 20:09:43 i heard rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ Aug 25 20:09:44 do I do that in the terminal? Aug 25 20:11:51 can I browse to / in the file manager ? Aug 25 20:12:03 or is that not possible? Aug 25 20:13:28 Stskeeps: that explains that! Aug 25 20:13:49 dougt: afaik dbus is a seperate socket prolly selected() during event loop or whatever Aug 25 20:14:15 dougt: and the question is a bit ambigious since there's different toolkits and ways to do it :) Aug 25 20:14:43 Stskeeps: mostly wanna understand how the osso_hw_set_event_cb Aug 25 20:14:44 * dougt works. Aug 25 20:15:12 IHateSourceforge: join the club Aug 25 20:15:25 i officially hate it after the huge download banners Aug 25 20:15:26 i was told it uses dbus to notify the application that registered for this notification Aug 25 20:15:36 * Stskeeps is off to bed Aug 25 20:15:55 * IHateSourceforge can t found the download link Aug 25 20:15:56 lbt: just prod me if the fix actually works. i messed around my installation image quite badly so i cant be sure Aug 25 20:16:07 yes - it's up Aug 25 20:16:12 it worked? good Aug 25 20:16:15 ~root-access Aug 25 20:16:18 well Aug 25 20:16:28 I mounted fsck and made the changes Aug 25 20:16:33 ~root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Aug 25 20:16:34 okay, GeneralAntilles Aug 25 20:16:34 I got some dsme errors Aug 25 20:16:52 and now I'm stuck with nm-applet asking for the keyring passwd Aug 25 20:17:03 and it won't take no for an answer Aug 25 20:17:06 Aug 25 20:17:15 I'll see what happens on the next crash Aug 25 20:17:22 hopefully it'll be a while Aug 25 20:17:28 anyone interested in helping on the Mozilla Fennec project? We need someone to help fix up our deb packaging; it is a mess. Aug 25 20:17:57 * GeneralAntilles can't deal with the non-native interface. Aug 25 20:20:09 is it possible to browse the N800 root filesystem from a computer when connected via USB? Aug 25 20:21:04 zethero1, wrong question to ask Aug 25 20:21:10 You're looking for sshfs or sftp Aug 25 20:21:11 ok Aug 25 20:21:18 GeneralAntilles: we get pretty damn close. Aug 25 20:21:34 zethero1: most of the questions you're asking I'd answer by just trying :) Aug 25 20:21:35 I am trying to graphically browse my root area ... Aug 25 20:21:38 making progress all of the time. :-) Aug 25 20:21:53 Install OpenSSH and either add the connection to an ftp client or install sshfs on your computer. Aug 25 20:21:59 dougt, to Hildon? I think not. Aug 25 20:22:05 oh, hildon. Aug 25 20:22:11 we haven't started on that yet. Aug 25 20:22:15 GeneralAntilles: I have to do all that? Aug 25 20:22:22 native theming still has to happen. Aug 25 20:22:22 or open the application manager and browse for a file manager Aug 25 20:22:26 But Firefox's "native" set in OS X isn't really workable. Aug 25 20:22:35 Close but just not close enough. Aug 25 20:22:40 GeneralAntilles: why is it that the file manager cannot browse the root area? Aug 25 20:22:41 FF3 is very good. Aug 25 20:22:42 ff2 sucked. Aug 25 20:23:02 FF3 is BETTER, but still not GOOD. Aug 25 20:23:03 dougt: URL? Aug 25 20:23:07 to? Aug 25 20:23:16 Mozilla Fennec Aug 25 20:23:20 zethero1, Nokia's "usability" philosophy. Aug 25 20:23:28 zethero1, just install emelfm2 Aug 25 20:23:37 lbt: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/ Aug 25 20:23:39 is there an alternative file manger? Aug 25 20:23:41 they promise a up to 40X speedup in javascript in tff3.1 Aug 25 20:23:42 ta Aug 25 20:23:57 that would be megacool, as the ff UI is all in javascript Aug 25 20:24:01 lbt: there are some downloads here: http://people.mozilla.com/~pavlov/fennec/m7/ Aug 25 20:24:12 pre-alpha. Aug 25 20:24:25 zethero1, emelfm2 Aug 25 20:24:45 dougt: is it scratchbox compatible? Aug 25 20:24:49 I'd rather see some of the more interesting UI stuff integrated into MicroB. Aug 25 20:24:54 XUL is just too heavy for the tablets. Aug 25 20:24:58 lbt: it is best to run on the device. Aug 25 20:25:06 qemu doesn't really work for us. Aug 25 20:25:06 I meant to build :) Aug 25 20:25:10 oh yeah, Aug 25 20:25:21 GeneralAntilles: its not in my list of apps Aug 25 20:25:21 here are our instructions: Aug 25 20:25:22 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/cs2007q3 Aug 25 20:25:30 pulling src Aug 25 20:25:38 that is how we setup scratchbox Aug 25 20:25:45 http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-0f3ef474be5211dcbd9c2f00d5e47c2a7c2a Aug 25 20:26:04 I see CHINOOK - Diablo too? Aug 25 20:26:05 lbt: and this is how we built: Aug 25 20:26:05 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Maemo_Build_Instructions Aug 25 20:26:33 Fennec's not interesting to me until I can actually input text into it, anyway. Aug 25 20:26:47 :D Aug 25 20:26:57 lbt: #mobile on irc.mozilla.org for help/questions Aug 25 20:27:11 GeneralAntilles: yeah, software keyboard. Aug 25 20:27:26 hi, is there a way to debug a connection between the tablet and a phone Aug 25 20:27:45 Get some Raid Aug 25 20:27:45 I was using my tablet with internet connection in my phone, but suddenly it stop working Aug 25 20:27:47 GeneralAntilles: there is a patch, but it needs some help. Aug 25 20:28:01 GeneralAntilles: wanna help? :-) Aug 25 20:28:17 hvelarde: if you want raw bluetooth data, bluez-hcidump Aug 25 20:28:32 dougt, I'm not much of a coder, and most of my time is already invested MicroB's direction. ;) Aug 25 20:28:54 qwerty12_N800: mmm, no... I want to know why it is failling, if the network operator changed the password or something Aug 25 20:29:06 cool. if things change, the door is always open ! :-) Aug 25 20:29:26 Will keep it in mind! Aug 25 20:29:31 It just hasn't tickled my fancy yet. . . . Aug 25 20:29:46 dougt: I noted the urls - I'll see if I can build it sometime... bed now though... cheers. Aug 25 20:30:03 lbt: cool. here to help when you get stuck! Aug 25 20:31:34 * qwerty12_N800 really has to pack dpkg so it doesn't quit when writing to a vfat card so i can repack debss quickly to install graphics etc to the mmc Aug 25 20:33:18 can I run emelfm2 as root? Aug 25 20:33:39 Sure? Aug 25 20:34:05 run it as root in the terminal Aug 25 20:34:34 ok I did sudo emelfm2 and its asking me for a password Aug 25 20:34:43 but I don't remember making one .. Aug 25 20:34:45 !? Aug 25 20:35:25 use becomeroot or easyroot or something Aug 25 20:37:13 ok .. working ... thanks Aug 25 20:39:34 does anyone know if callbacks set in osso_hw_set_event_cb get called even if the event loop isn't looping? Aug 25 20:39:54 * dougt writes a test case. Aug 25 20:41:25 is there a rename option in emelfm2 ? Aug 25 20:44:27 yep -> osso-xterm -> mv Aug 25 20:45:26 IHateSourceforge, does py2deb pick up a changelog file automatically in the build process? Aug 25 20:45:54 if you specify it :) Aug 25 20:46:03 hmmmmmmmmmm how do i do that? Aug 25 20:46:10 change=True? Aug 25 20:47:53 nope changelog="* blabla" Aug 25 20:48:08 just have that file in the folder with the other files? Aug 25 20:48:10 as a param of the generate method Aug 25 20:48:18 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Aug 25 20:48:25 just the new entry for this build? Aug 25 20:48:34 take a string in param not file Aug 25 20:56:23 Man I wish I was a better web designer I have been searching for weeks for a site that doesn't exist Aug 25 21:26:03 Navi, easyroot and becomeroot are deprecated Aug 25 21:26:04 ~rootsh Aug 25 21:26:05 methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ Aug 25 21:43:02 hola :) Aug 25 21:54:59 is it me or does rootsh not add any of the /sbin type things to the path? Aug 25 22:11:52 Hey, I'm trying to use a usb webcam with my N810, does anybody have any idea how to do that or ever did that Aug 25 22:50:13 is there any reason why i wouldnt format my external sd card as ext3 on the n810? Aug 25 22:51:57 moontiger, only needs fat if you want to use it in windows Aug 25 22:52:12 afaik Aug 25 22:52:23 ive got mine as ext2 Aug 25 22:52:30 ~lart garage for its svn performance Aug 25 22:52:30 * infobot forces garage to use Outlook Express for its svn performance Aug 25 22:52:52 heh jott, infobot might have just sped up access :D Aug 25 22:53:32 i honestly fear the contrary :P Aug 25 23:10:23 Ev'ning Aug 25 23:16:13 dont use windows so cool :) Aug 25 23:23:23 Hey, Jaffa. Aug 25 23:27:41 GeneralAntilles: bedding now. Weekend of downtime after a server upgrade's component's failed after 12 hours and an expensive GPRS connection between me & the (real) world. Aug 25 23:28:05 Ouch Aug 25 23:34:03 * Jaffa now beds Aug 25 23:46:45 so I am just looking through the repos on a newly updated N800.. I see something called maemo-python-env 1.1.0-2.. with all sorts of python stuff Aug 25 23:47:22 "for scratchbox".. any context on that? more than just face value for the python things that are listed Aug 25 23:48:29 I just want the gtkpy libs to be available on the N800.. Aug 25 23:48:44 pygtk... Aug 26 00:04:34 anybody knows if there's a way to have modest and/or mnotify warn me of new mails in folders other than inbox through imap? Aug 26 00:08:04 gregorovius, not that I've noticed. Aug 26 00:08:22 Could make a fair enhancement request, although it sounds a little heavy for the client. Aug 26 00:09:02 it's not that modest doesn't notify me of mails in other folders... it doesn't check until I click on them, so it'll never find out by itself Aug 26 00:16:53 well, this pygtk app I tried worked it seems Aug 26 00:17:02 so I'll defer on that big package Aug 26 00:37:48 what the swankiest apps out there these days for the tablets? I'd love to hear what some of the folks here would say.. Aug 26 00:59:42 hey Khertan check your email Aug 26 01:21:57 hey, is it possible to use kmplayer in fullscreen? Aug 26 01:27:57 befr0d: press the "fullscreen" key?! :) Aug 26 01:29:01 nop Aug 26 01:29:32 worksforme :/ Aug 26 01:29:46 really? Aug 26 01:29:50 yes Aug 26 01:29:58 I've just installed it Aug 26 01:30:20 i ocassionally use it to watch the worldtv99 streams. Aug 26 01:31:06 yeah, that's what I want to see Aug 26 01:31:30 oh, it worked now Aug 26 01:31:56 * befr0d was playing with player settings Aug 26 01:57:03 "We are currently looking to fill the following position: RIP - Tech Director" Aug 26 01:57:19 Now what the fuck do you make of that ! Aug 26 02:07:13 so I just loaded rana.py on the Noka N800.. it loads and runs, but no maps.. wondering if anyone knows anything about it Aug 26 02:07:39 hmm actually I found a wiki page on it.. Aug 26 02:07:45 its part of OpenStreetMap Aug 26 02:08:00 looks like it wants a GPS.. I have a N800 Aug 26 02:08:05 .. so no GPS Aug 26 02:08:44 I wonder if the N810 is it? runs it Aug 26 02:50:41 darkblue_B, do you not have an external GPS? Aug 26 02:50:41 Is there some way to setup WinXP as a BT PAN server so I can ssh from cygwin to my N800? Aug 26 02:50:54 Or maybe the other way around, can my N800 be a BT PAN server? Aug 26 02:51:35 XP doesnt do bluetooth properly at all afaik Aug 26 02:51:53 wifi? usbnet? Aug 26 02:53:47 y0 gen Aug 26 02:54:04 GAN800: Can my winxp laptop do AP wifi mode? Aug 26 02:54:08 Howdy, shapr Aug 26 02:54:18 * GAN800 doesn't do Windows Aug 26 02:54:23 I wish I didn't... Aug 26 02:54:30 But I do windows at work, and I need my linux fix! Aug 26 02:54:39 The N800 should be fine for whatever, dunno about XP. Aug 26 02:54:56 Can the N800 do wifi ap mode? Aug 26 02:55:04 You could always do adhoc if it came down to it Aug 26 02:55:11 I thought xp didn't support that? Aug 26 02:55:14 No, doesn't support master Aug 26 02:55:17 oh Aug 26 02:55:19 hmm Aug 26 02:55:22 Crap wifi drivers. . . . Aug 26 02:55:25 No kidding Aug 26 02:55:33 oh, and it can't handle SDHC cards larger than 4GB. Aug 26 02:55:43 For example, my 16GB SDHC cards are linux-only at this point. Aug 26 02:55:51 But it's nice to have 32GB total in my N800 Aug 26 02:56:07 * GAN800 needs more storage Aug 26 02:56:19 I just got gphoto2 going Aug 26 02:56:28 I have 750GB on my desktop. Aug 26 02:56:32 Turned into my camera unloading device. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 26 02:59:57 2008