**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 26 02:59:57 2008
Aug 26 03:14:28 <Grackle> johnx, going to try out testdisk now.
Aug 26 03:26:40 <Grackle> wow.
Aug 26 03:26:54 <Grackle> that was impressively easy.
Aug 26 03:27:28 <Grackle> now to boot a livecd and chroot into the system so i can reinstall grub
Aug 26 03:31:38 <Grackle> wow that is not even necessary
Aug 26 03:37:13 <Grackle> Fuck yeah.
Aug 26 03:37:37 <Grackle> That was so easy I almost want to do it again.
Aug 26 03:53:17 <moontiger> if i read about one more "social networking life-streaming aggregation" service i will puke :|
Aug 26 03:53:37 <GAN800> lol
Aug 26 03:53:47 <GAN800> It's gotten just a bit out of hand.
Aug 26 03:55:31 <moontiger> shapr, do you have a smartfone?
Aug 26 04:00:59 <gregorovius> I can't find a media player I'm happy about =/
Aug 26 04:03:23 <GAN800> There are only about a thousand of them.
Aug 26 04:05:39 <gregorovius> canola has a couple of really annoying bugs
Aug 26 04:05:44 <moontiger> why do some people just not get it? sending me a 2400x3200 image for their blog profile image??!!??
Aug 26 04:05:54 <gregorovius> mediabox is fine, but it sometimes goes nuts
Aug 26 04:05:55 <moontiger> i like mediabox
Aug 26 04:06:00 <GAN800> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/
Aug 26 04:06:08 <gregorovius> and I'm not a fan of its interface
Aug 26 04:06:20 <moontiger> really? ive had no problems with it
Aug 26 04:06:33 <gregorovius> ie, when i'm browsing for an album, why should I do it in a tiny strip in the left side?
Aug 26 04:06:48 <moontiger> i think its impossible to make an interface that would work for everybodys way of doing media to be honest
Aug 26 04:06:56 <gregorovius> ofc
Aug 26 04:07:06 <gregorovius> canola is my cup of tea there
Aug 26 04:07:12 <moontiger> it is purdy to be sure
Aug 26 04:07:28 <moontiger> ukmp has an interesting idea too i think
Aug 26 04:07:52 <GAN800> UKMP is dead
Aug 26 04:07:57 <moontiger> really??
Aug 26 04:08:29 <GAN800> Well, uh, konttori is working for the big N these days.
Aug 26 04:08:40 <GAN800> Not really the time for it anymore. ;)
Aug 26 04:08:48 <moontiger> oh doh! he was talking about making a good new version too :(
Aug 26 04:08:52 <gregorovius> ukmp looks nice on screenshots, but I didn't like its look and feel
Aug 26 04:09:29 <moontiger> hmmmmm
Aug 26 04:09:39 <moontiger> maybe a lightweight canola would be good
Aug 26 04:09:49 <moontiger> i was thinking of an email interface similar to that too
Aug 26 04:09:53 <moontiger> might work
Aug 26 04:09:59 <gregorovius> without animations and stuff
Aug 26 04:10:03 <moontiger> yes
Aug 26 04:10:08 <gregorovius> i'd go for that
Aug 26 04:10:18 <GAN800> I dunno, maybe he'll pick it up again, I can't speak for him, but the last I heard was that he was stepping aside for Canola.
Aug 26 04:10:27 <moontiger> hmmmmm ok
Aug 26 04:10:50 <moontiger> well i might try to mock up an email app interface in the next week or two to see if the idea would worl
Aug 26 04:11:00 <moontiger> work too
Aug 26 04:31:38 <dougt> is there a page on wiki on how to recover a device that is in a _restart_ loop?
Aug 26 04:36:05 <Grackle_> You'll probably just have to reflash it.
Aug 26 04:36:23 <dougt> reflash FTW
Aug 26 04:36:35 <dougt> is there a way to generate a flash based on the current state of your device?
Aug 26 04:36:48 <trenka> dougt: what did you do BTW?
Aug 26 04:37:09 <trenka> dougt: does no-lifeguard-resets help?
Aug 26 04:37:10 <dougt> trenka: typical engineer question... what did _I_ do.
Aug 26 04:37:38 <dougt> i do not know what a no-lifeguard-resets is, but googling now
Aug 26 04:37:42 <Grackle_> dougt, no, but you can clone the device to an SD card, which has the added benefit of being faster and being easily transferred to a computer. Also, if you screw up your SD card system while on the go, you can always boot the failsafe one in flash.
Aug 26 04:38:10 <trenka> dougt: if you think that'a wrong question, sorry, I'm keeping silent
Aug 26 04:38:13 <dougt> Grackle_: that sounds hawt
Aug 26 04:38:20 <dougt> trenka: nah.
Aug 26 04:38:39 <dougt> trenka: i probably fucked it up; not sure what I did.  I am testing OOM conditions in an app.
Aug 26 04:39:07 <Grackle_> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 dougt
Aug 26 04:39:46 <Grackle_> Well, something like that anyway.
Aug 26 04:39:58 <Grackle_> It might be better to look around to find diablo specific instructions, I dunno if those work.
Aug 26 04:40:53 <dougt> time to reflash and cry while doing it.
Aug 26 04:40:54 <GAN800> ~boot-sd
Aug 26 04:40:55 <infobot> i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Aug 26 04:41:26 <GAN800> Turn off the watchdogs, pray you have ssh installed and auto-connect enabled.
Aug 26 04:42:01 <GAN800> otherwise, install bootmenu like I tols you to do the last time. ;)
Aug 26 04:42:10 <GAN800> s/tols/told/
Aug 26 04:42:10 <infobot> GAN800 meant: otherwise, install bootmenu like I told you to do the last time. ;)
Aug 26 04:58:23 <msh> anyone know if there are any docs on power saving apart from the little section in quality considerations?
Aug 26 04:58:52 <msh> wondering if say waking up once every 5 secs would differ from say every 1 sec
Aug 26 04:59:02 <msh> etc
Aug 26 04:59:58 <msh> actuallly wait, that doc kinda answers my question :)
Aug 26 05:18:22 <moontiger> msh, wouldnt waking up every second use 5 times as much power as every 5 seconds?
Aug 26 05:18:24 <moontiger> :)
Aug 26 05:19:44 <Addison> Heya fellas!  How's everyone tonight?
Aug 26 05:22:37 <msh> moontiger: i don't know - at some point it the interval becomes small enough that the cpu won't sleep at all between wakeups i guess
Aug 26 05:22:49 <msh> dunno what that time interval is though
Aug 26 05:23:12 <moontiger> i would think it less than 5 secs before powerstep kicks in tho no?
Aug 26 05:23:41 <msh> yeah, though is it much less than 1 sec?
Aug 26 05:24:02 <msh> i'm wondering about gpsdriver's frequent wakeups
Aug 26 05:24:23 <msh> just drafting a bug report/enh req now
Aug 26 05:26:52 <ShadowJK> If you have enough things that wake up every 5 seconds, the CPU ends up unable to sleep anyway
Aug 26 05:28:23 <msh> yeah, i'm considering gps logging every 30 or 60secs with the screen sleeping
Aug 26 05:28:30 <msh> so prob not much awake
Aug 26 05:34:12 <dougt> where are the watchdogs installed?  where are their config files so I can see what they are trying to do?
Aug 26 05:39:13 <GeneralAntilles> ~100ms
Aug 26 05:39:15 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe less
Aug 26 05:39:36 <GeneralAntilles> dougt, lol
Aug 26 05:39:41 <GeneralAntilles> HARDWARE watchdogs. ;)
Aug 26 05:40:01 <dougt> GeneralAntilles: come on.  are they looking at processes or something?
Aug 26 05:40:05 <GeneralAntilles> Um, there's a mailing list post somewhere covering some of what they do.
Aug 26 05:40:12 <GeneralAntilles> Well, there are several
Aug 26 05:40:17 <GeneralAntilles> One is strictly hardware
Aug 26 05:40:34 <GeneralAntilles> It kills the device during extended periods of 100% CPU usage
Aug 26 05:40:56 <GeneralAntilles> Then the other stuff covers xserver, window manager, connectivity and such
Aug 26 05:41:18 <GeneralAntilles> Which is what triggers the reboot loops
Aug 26 05:42:04 <GeneralAntilles> flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags
Aug 26 05:42:08 <GeneralAntilles> will give you a list
Aug 26 05:42:18 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP, Retu and lifeguard
Aug 26 05:43:05 <GeneralAntilles> lifeguard would be the process monitor
Aug 26 05:43:58 <GeneralAntilles> Retu is REALLY low level
Aug 26 05:44:04 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP deals with device lockups
Aug 26 05:45:43 <dougt> yeah, i disabled the lifegaurd one and it boots.
Aug 26 05:45:58 <dougt> not sure if I should continue using this device as-is, figure out what is wrong, or just reflash.
Aug 26 05:46:42 <GeneralAntilles> Does it boot to a desktop?
Aug 26 05:46:47 <dougt> yeah
Aug 26 05:47:04 <dougt> could ssh into too, move files around, launch stuff
Aug 26 05:47:06 <GeneralAntilles> Well, figure out what the last dozen or so things you did before you restarted were.
Aug 26 05:47:17 <GeneralAntilles> and start working backwards
Aug 26 05:47:18 <dougt> scp crap to the media/mmc1
Aug 26 05:47:25 <GeneralAntilles> Nope
Aug 26 05:47:51 <dougt> hmm.
Aug 26 05:48:04 <dougt> yeah, i did something pretty bad, but it usually doesn't kill the device
Aug 26 05:48:22 <dougt> i allocate 4096 blocks until osso_* tells me there is low memory
Aug 26 05:48:31 <dougt> it is a test app.
Aug 26 05:49:06 <GeneralAntilles> I don't know enough about the OOM handling to say what could go wrong there.
Aug 26 05:49:08 <dougt> btw, the osso memory stuff isn't ideal.
Aug 26 05:49:33 <dougt> it uses dbus, so your OOM notification is going to be processed by your event loop;
Aug 26 05:49:46 <dougt> so you will not know you are OOM until you eat events.
Aug 26 05:50:08 <GeneralAntilles> Out of my league.
Aug 26 05:50:21 <GeneralAntilles> I'm sure -developers might choke up some reasoning, though.
Aug 26 06:40:55 * Stskeeps yawns loudly
Aug 26 06:44:10 * GAN800 continues on the path of total insomnia fail.
Aug 26 06:45:13 <Stskeeps> i feel like i'm still asleep, and my headache doesn't help it :P
Aug 26 06:45:21 <Dekaritae> Try some Stereolab
Aug 26 06:45:21 <Dekaritae> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4346000/
Aug 26 06:46:47 <GAN800> It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to drive 5 hours back to school today.
Aug 26 06:47:07 <rm_you> >_>
Aug 26 06:47:15 * rm_you starts school on Thursday
Aug 26 06:47:25 <Stskeeps> start of semester? i started yesterday :P
Aug 26 06:47:25 * rm_you has been back for a week and a bit
Aug 26 06:47:31 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 26 06:48:18 <Dekaritae> Ok, so I'm selling my N800
Aug 26 06:48:25 <rm_you> :(
Aug 26 06:48:33 <rm_you> y4?
Aug 26 06:48:44 <Dekaritae> Ah, it was inevitable. I picked up a Touc hand fell in love
Aug 26 06:48:50 <rm_you> >_>
Aug 26 06:48:58 <GAN800> Why are you telling us?
Aug 26 06:49:27 <rm_you> want to sell it to one of us cheap? :P
Aug 26 06:49:28 <Dekaritae> Well, I was thinking that someone here might be looking to purchase one
Aug 26 06:49:33 * GAN800 STILL can't fathom why anybody REALLY thinks other people are that worried about the device they use.
Aug 26 06:50:20 <Stskeeps> GAN800: i've just adopted the notion (regarding people using my software, or using someone else's), that it's their choice and i dont really care what they run
Aug 26 06:50:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 26 06:51:04 <Stskeeps> so when people say they have a ipod touch or whatever, sure, good for them :P
Aug 26 06:51:07 <Dekaritae> Yus, everyone has their needs
Aug 26 06:51:11 * Stskeeps is just happy with his n800
Aug 26 06:52:00 <Dekaritae> I wanted to like the N800, but the Touch has the best mobile crossword app I've ever tried
Aug 26 06:52:26 <rm_you> the touch doesn't have SSH that i've seen >_>
Aug 26 06:52:36 <rm_you> then again, a lot of people don't NEED that on their mobile device :P
Aug 26 06:52:46 <GAN800> Touch/iPhone just manage to piss me off.
Aug 26 06:52:52 <Dekaritae> MobileFinder has SFTP
Aug 26 06:53:23 <GAN800> and any claims towards them being 'more stable' than Maemo are outright lies.
Aug 26 06:53:32 <GAN800> SFTP != SSH
Aug 26 06:53:33 <rm_you> I still think Steve Jobs gets his rocks off by seeing just how much shit he can make his loyal fanbase go through and have them continue to worship him
Aug 26 06:53:39 <rm_you> which turns out to be A LOT OF SHIT. :P
Aug 26 06:53:56 <Stskeeps> hehe
Aug 26 06:54:07 <Stskeeps> there's prolly a lot of psychological studies related to this
Aug 26 06:54:17 <liri> morning
Aug 26 06:54:20 <GAN800> Eh, the computer stuff isn't bad
Aug 26 06:54:25 <CptLaptop> yeah, the monkey and hamlet theory
Aug 26 06:54:31 <Stskeeps> the stanford experiment comes to mind
Aug 26 06:54:31 <CptLaptop> :p
Aug 26 06:54:34 <GAN800> it's their mobile pursuites which are pure hell.
Aug 26 06:55:12 <CptLaptop> only downside of the NITs is the weak cpu imo
Aug 26 06:55:30 <GAN800> weak compared to what?
Aug 26 06:55:40 <GAN800> The 'weak' argument is so bogus.
Aug 26 06:55:41 <rm_you> wait, this CPU is weak? >_>
Aug 26 06:55:44 <Dekaritae> And the lack of commercial support
Aug 26 06:55:51 <CptLaptop> other ultraportable devices
Aug 26 06:56:02 <Dekaritae> But it has a different target market than the iP*
Aug 26 06:56:09 <CptLaptop> no matter how much i love the thing, its fucking slow
Aug 26 06:56:10 <GAN800> Downside is lots of badly optimized software.
Aug 26 06:56:27 <GAN800> Erm, what other ultraportables?
Aug 26 06:56:47 <GAN800> UMPCs at twice the size and a 3rd of the battery life?
Aug 26 06:56:52 <GAN800> Bogus.
Aug 26 06:57:05 <Dekaritae> The big downside of the Apple side was evident today. They killed the only free Tetris clone on the Apple store due to presumed copyright infringement
Aug 26 06:57:48 <GAN800> or MIDs at slightly larger and a 3rd of the battery life?
Aug 26 06:57:54 <GAN800> Take your pick
Aug 26 06:57:56 <CptLaptop> that still doesnt help the fact the tablet is underpowered, as youre right - the other devices have crappy battery, no bt, touchscreen lacking etc etc but if you want to run say unconverted video, or really any app that requires a bit more power, you have to compromise
Aug 26 06:58:05 <GAN800> There isn't anything else comparable.
Aug 26 06:58:25 <CptLaptop> not in the price range
Aug 26 06:58:29 <CptLaptop> there should be
Aug 26 06:58:31 <GAN800> unconverted video works fine here
Aug 26 06:58:45 <CptLaptop> im talking normal xvid and such not your porn collection :p
Aug 26 06:58:46 <rm_you> well, not unconverted bluray rips >_>
Aug 26 06:58:54 <GAN800> The point is, the OMAP2420 was state of the art for it's time.
Aug 26 06:59:10 <CptLaptop> you wont make me believe youre playing 350MB/40 minutes xvid files with action in them "fine"
Aug 26 06:59:16 <GAN800> So when you say 'weak', you mean, 'mobile CPUs aren't yet up to snuff'
Aug 26 06:59:30 <GAN800> Because there aint nothin' else better.
Aug 26 06:59:32 <CptLaptop> more the line of "the nits are outdated"
Aug 26 06:59:35 <bef0rd> I'm able to play a DVD RIP as I downloaded it with mplayer pretty well without having to recode it
Aug 26 06:59:59 <GAN800> outdated to what? OMAP3 hasn't even shipped commercially.
Aug 26 07:00:34 <liri> bef0rd: I don't know if you managed to get pykaraoke to work but I did and I documented it on the wiki so...
Aug 26 07:00:45 <GAN800> Yes, I am play 400-650 pixel wide xvid in the 600-1100Kbps range fine.
Aug 26 07:00:46 <CptLaptop> atom or whatnot. i dont care about the technical shit, that snokias job, and frankly your fanboyism is rather funny
Aug 26 07:00:57 <moontiger> im really happy with the video playback for movies that i get
Aug 26 07:01:00 <moontiger> :)
Aug 26 07:01:06 <Dekaritae> On an entirely unrelated note, dmitrygr demontrated that with his Palm SDHC driver, you can daisy chain microSDHC cards to unused GPIO contacts on the Palm TX and add up to 32GB of internal storage independent from the external card
Aug 26 07:01:06 <bef0rd> liri, ohh, cool, gonna give it a try
Aug 26 07:01:08 <GAN800> Atom isn't comparable in power usage
Aug 26 07:01:32 <GAN800> An Atom uses as much juice as the WHOLE GODDAMN TABLET.
Aug 26 07:01:37 <liri> bef0rd: ok cool
Aug 26 07:01:58 <liri> GeneralAntilles: can you add the howto page to the Category:users list of pages please?
Aug 26 07:02:07 <GAN800> 'Fanboism', there's a classic lame dismissal.
Aug 26 07:02:31 <GAN800> liri, just add [[Category:Users]] to the bottom.
Aug 26 07:03:41 <liri> ahh thanks
Aug 26 07:03:41 <CptLaptop> fine, so the n800 should have a media chip as well then. seeing thats become a big part of what people use it for, that wouldnt be a bad idea for a upgrade
Aug 26 07:03:57 <GAN800> It HAS a media chip.
Aug 26 07:03:58 <rm_you> isn't the media chip IN THERE, just not functional?
Aug 26 07:04:10 <GAN800> Nokia just doesn't use it.
Aug 26 07:04:13 <rm_you> that IV whatever?
Aug 26 07:04:17 <GAN800> IVA
Aug 26 07:04:27 <GAN800> Right next to the DSP
Aug 26 07:05:33 <moontiger> nite all :)
Aug 26 07:05:43 <GAN800> The CPU isn't weak, it's just underutilized and overburdened by too much desktop-targeted software.
Aug 26 07:08:32 <CptLaptop> itt is down
Aug 26 07:13:15 <johnx> CptLaptop, not here
Aug 26 07:15:39 <CptLaptop> not here either now
Aug 26 07:15:55 <CptLaptop> 7 min ago however i got loading error every time i tried
Aug 26 07:16:31 <CptLaptop> which fits the fact there ahsnt been a post in 40 minutes
Aug 26 07:18:15 <johnx> it seems to go down a lot
Aug 26 07:19:12 <CptLaptop> havent noticed that
Aug 26 07:19:14 <Stskeeps> morn johnx
Aug 26 07:19:18 <CptLaptop> but only check it once or twice a day
Aug 26 07:19:30 <johnx> mornin' Stskeeps
Aug 26 07:19:52 * Stskeeps finishes last night's debootstrap and hopes it works
Aug 26 07:22:59 * Stskeeps pops the battery for tests
Aug 26 07:23:02 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: I was trying to look into run-standalone.sh and root but I failed because it seems all my apps that are launched from root automatically take the theming settings. Probably an sudoers env thing. But instead of using run-standalone.sh,you may want to make a quick script that sources /etc/osso-af-init/osso-gtk.defs and runs the zenity.
Aug 26 07:24:07 <qwerty12> w00t, packages.debian.org is as slow as ever
Aug 26 07:24:10 <Stskeeps> woo, no dead deblet when popping battery \o/
Aug 26 07:24:24 <Stskeeps> i swear, packages.debian.org must be running on a n770
Aug 26 07:24:38 <Stskeeps> it has been unstable ever since i have used it
Aug 26 07:24:51 <qwerty12> Give them some credit, the n770 is for maemo.org. packages.debian.org use a N800
Aug 26 07:25:26 <Stskeeps> hehe
Aug 26 07:26:09 <bef0rd> blobby volley is nice :P
Aug 26 07:27:18 * johnx used to host a samba domain server on hardware a little slower than an n800...
Aug 26 07:27:40 <qwerty12> No one has packed libtremor, I'm not going to bother. I'll just use libvorbis :P
Aug 26 07:27:55 <Stskeeps> i used to code an irc server on a 50mhz, 80mb ram.. which coincided with me starting to drink coffee to wait up for the compiles
Aug 26 07:28:26 <qwerty12> lol what, even my first computer was a 733MHZ, 128MB ram :P
Aug 26 07:29:22 <jaska> dont remember the clock.. but there was 4kB+16kB memory on my first
Aug 26 07:29:28 <gomiam> qwerty12: you newbies... I had to make do with a 286 until 1996 :-P
Aug 26 07:29:38 <gomiam> jaska: that sounds like a Z-80 derived
Aug 26 07:29:42 <Stskeeps> my first computer was a c64, then i had a 286 with 1mb of ram, then came a 486 50mhz with 80mb ram, and then i jumped to 700mhz at some point
Aug 26 07:29:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 26 07:29:47 <Stskeeps> that was a change
Aug 26 07:30:05 <qwerty12> gomiam: Hehe, all you people with your old computers :P
Aug 26 07:30:13 <jaska> gomiam: probably... i was about 4 or so at the time so i dont remember rest of the details :)
Aug 26 07:30:19 <Stskeeps> but i learnt from that the art of using machines remotely so i can get cheap equipment nowadays and just ssh into big machines i have access to
Aug 26 07:30:22 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 26 07:30:43 <gomiam> jaska: when I was six my father bought a MSX microcomputer. Unfortunately, he didn't manage to understand it and returned it
Aug 26 07:30:47 <gomiam> pity
Aug 26 07:30:48 <gomiam> XD
Aug 26 07:31:17 <bef0rd> mine was a 133 mhz with 16mb ram .. Windows 95 was really fast on that
Aug 26 07:31:24 <qwerty12> Hehe, I used to mess around with an MSX emulator (not the real thing :P) and play some metal gear solid. Until I just put the PS1 versions on my PSP.
Aug 26 07:32:21 <Stskeeps> oh, right, i had a 133mhz at some point too. running redhat 5.1
Aug 26 07:32:21 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 26 07:33:04 <bef0rd> a 14.4 modem :o
Aug 26 07:33:31 <gomiam> oh, redhat. SLS 4tw, with a 9600 bps modem (I don't know how I got hold of it)
Aug 26 07:33:59 <Stskeeps> i tried debian in 95-96 or something. installing from floppies.. i utterly hated dselect back then
Aug 26 07:34:41 <bef0rd> hah I remember It took me like 5 hours to download a new version of Internet explorer on that machine :|
Aug 26 07:34:52 <gomiam> Stskeeps: true, true. I used to allocate a couple of weekends whenever I installed Debian (in order to dselect my way through)
Aug 26 07:35:15 <gomiam> bef0rd: you were fortunate, it seems. You had a cheap phone connection.
Aug 26 07:35:17 <Stskeeps> the worst part is that some of the same frustrations i meet with debian these days, are exactly the same as back then
Aug 26 07:35:22 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: I've got dselect for maemo somewhere, you want? :P
Aug 26 07:35:35 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: if i can beat it to pieces with a bat..
Aug 26 07:35:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 26 07:35:42 <gomiam> Stskeeps: well, what frustrations do you have with Debian yet?
Aug 26 07:35:43 <qwerty12> NOOOOOOOOOO
Aug 26 07:35:49 * qwerty12 runs and protects dselect
Aug 26 07:36:13 <Stskeeps> gomiam: i had one example but i can't recall it right now as i have a bad headache
Aug 26 07:36:25 <aquatix> good moaning
Aug 26 07:36:26 <Stskeeps> but last i installed debian on a desktop machine, i ran into same problem
Aug 26 07:36:39 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Aug 26 07:37:00 <Stskeeps> gomiam: nothing directly against debian as such, - i do develop deblet for the tablets ;) just have some run-ins with how things are done at times both philosophically and technically
Aug 26 07:37:09 <gomiam> Stskeeps: you might want to check the testing branch. The installer has gone quite a way forward.
Aug 26 07:37:34 <gomiam> Stskeeps: no problem. I'm currently banging my head against a Debian testing kernel freeze on 2.6.2x
Aug 26 07:38:29 <gomiam> fortunately, I still have a 2.6.18 kernel installed to keep me going.
Aug 26 07:38:46 <Stskeeps> gomiam: figure out why starting S03udev causes open("/dev/root", O_RDONLY|O_EXCL) to fail with EBUSY on 2.6.21 (causes checkroot to die) and i'll buy you a pizza
Aug 26 07:38:56 <Stskeeps> if i run fsck -before- udev, it runs fine
Aug 26 07:39:09 <pupnik> is there such thing as a sensible checking/expenses minder for maemo, or should i use vi?
Aug 26 07:39:13 <Stskeeps> oh, and this only happens when ext2/3 is unmounted uncleanly
Aug 26 07:39:14 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 26 07:39:22 <gomiam> Stskeeps: it's the moon, I tell you. It's all in the phase of the moon ;-)
Aug 26 07:39:40 <gomiam> you should go out in the next new moon and sacrifice a black calf
Aug 26 07:39:41 <gomiam> :-P
Aug 26 07:39:52 <Stskeeps> yea :P considered it
Aug 26 07:39:59 <aquatix> or a white lion, but those are a bit harder to do
Aug 26 07:40:22 <gomiam> it won't help a bit, but a least you get to have some fun (until the police gets ahold of you)
Aug 26 07:40:37 <aquatix> and it makes for great steak
Aug 26 07:40:45 <aquatix> bbq!
Aug 26 07:41:15 <Wolfpaws> Rats.
Aug 26 07:42:12 <Wolfpaws> Hi. I have a question... How do I make a graphical application for Maemo? Is there a simple HOWTO for it?
Aug 26 07:44:12 <qwerty12> pupnik: Don't think so :(. There is a car expenses application but I don't that will help you. Some people just use Garnet VM but that does have an expiry date...
Aug 26 07:46:05 <pupnik> qwerty12: i don't even know what features people need.  heh.  is there a mega simple spreadsheet for maemo with just like... sum(A1:A20) and simple maths? :D
Aug 26 07:46:22 <GAN800> gnumeric
Aug 26 07:46:27 <Khertan> pupnik: gnumeric
Aug 26 07:46:29 <qwerty12> ^
Aug 26 07:46:30 <pupnik> ok.. big guns
Aug 26 07:46:30 <Khertan> Hi !
Aug 26 07:46:49 <aquatix> pupnik: ah, and er, gnumeric!
Aug 26 07:46:57 <pupnik> you all are wrong
Aug 26 07:47:01 <pupnik> :D
Aug 26 07:47:28 <aquatix> works surprisingly well on maemo btw
Aug 26 07:47:31 <aquatix> imho
Aug 26 07:48:04 <GAN800> Why does it seem like the plenware guys spend all day coding weird patches for Maemo?
Aug 26 07:49:10 <aquatix> http://www.plenware.fi/en/ ?
Aug 26 07:49:22 <GAN800> Yeah
Aug 26 07:49:40 <GAN800> All the Chinese guys attaching patches in bugzilla.
Aug 26 07:50:07 <pupnik> ok http://www.ossramblings.com/cbtracker  - tony maro who has a N800 also wrote something
Aug 26 07:51:06 <pupnik> urgh, written in pascal
Aug 26 07:53:05 <GAN800> Gene Cash had something, but I dunno if it was ever ported to OS2008.
Aug 26 07:53:33 <GAN800> He mostly liked to spend his time bitching about it after it came out.
Aug 26 07:54:26 <timeless> hello world
Aug 26 07:54:27 <qwerty12> I think that other guy rbrewer ported some of his apps to OS2008
Aug 26 07:55:16 <pupnik> thanks for the tips... i'm a little surprised more people aren't clamoring for pda-ish apps
Aug 26 07:55:43 <GAN800> There's plenty of clamoring
Aug 26 07:55:56 <GAN800> Just not a lot of coding.
Aug 26 07:56:08 <GAN800> Other than GPE
Aug 26 07:56:31 <GAN800> Which is basically just gcobb.
Aug 26 07:56:37 <GAN800> Hello, timeless.
Aug 26 07:57:22 <Wolfpaws> Odd... What gives? [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > gainroot
Aug 26 07:57:29 <Wolfpaws> /usr/sbin/chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt/initfs: Operation not permitted
Aug 26 07:57:46 <timeless> nice
Aug 26 08:02:45 <Stskeeps> odd question, when you got your n800 + headset.. did you get the black layer to wrap around the actual headphones?
Aug 26 08:02:53 <Stskeeps> saw them on my gf's other nokia headset
Aug 26 08:03:25 <Stskeeps> since the headphone parts are a bit nasty towards the ear else
Aug 26 08:03:35 <gomiam> Stskeeps: I don't think so. Mine didn't, IIRC
Aug 26 08:03:47 <Stskeeps> k
Aug 26 08:04:04 <gomiam> (but my memory ages faster than the refresh update, so...)
Aug 26 08:04:16 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: Hmm, I have a bit of black rubber around the headset that came with my N800
Aug 26 08:04:39 <Stskeeps> odd, didn't get that
Aug 26 08:05:03 <Stskeeps> then again, i bought it from the US and usian ears are prolly more resistant to foreign objects ;>
Aug 26 08:05:32 <qwerty12> ~lart faad2
Aug 26 08:05:32 * infobot pushes the wall down onto faad2 whilst whistling innocently
Aug 26 08:05:51 <gomiam> Stskeeps: specially if they are Japanese (just 1.2% of foreigners living in Japan? Oh dear) ;-)
Aug 26 08:06:28 <gomiam> argh
Aug 26 08:06:28 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: Your wifi is 2 frequencies down :P
Aug 26 08:06:37 <gomiam> USian!=asian
Aug 26 08:06:48 * gomiam goes buy new par of eyeballs.
Aug 26 08:06:55 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: prolly, but works fine here :P
Aug 26 08:07:21 <Stskeeps> okay, so my battery applet has disappeared on my chinook
Aug 26 08:07:22 <Stskeeps> lovely
Aug 26 08:07:36 <qwerty12> It's telling you to upgrade to diablo
Aug 26 08:07:50 <Stskeeps> it'll be a cold day in hell when i upgrade to diablo
Aug 26 08:07:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 26 08:07:56 <gomiam> XD
Aug 26 08:08:33 <Stskeeps> it'll prolly end up with me default booting to deblet instead
Aug 26 08:23:20 <pupnik> "Warning: dates on calendar are closer than they appear."  - nice itt .sig
Aug 26 08:23:32 <jaska> heh
Aug 26 08:23:55 <Khertan> N
Aug 26 08:23:56 <Khertan> ?
Aug 26 08:26:00 <Khertan> pupnik: help me to finish my mPIM apps :)
Aug 26 08:26:08 <pupnik> url?
Aug 26 08:26:16 <pupnik> no time, need to earn money
Aug 26 08:27:26 <bef0rd> qwerty12, http://beford.org/stuff/emesene.jpg :P
Aug 26 08:27:48 <gomiam> bef0rd: ¿de dónde eres? ;-)
Aug 26 08:28:16 <qwerty12> bef0rd: wow, that's brilliant :). Just out of question, don't you have load applet or mh shot tool or something? :P
Aug 26 08:28:53 <bef0rd> haha I actually have it  .. dunno why took a picture instead
Aug 26 08:29:09 <bef0rd> gomiam, Colombia
Aug 26 08:29:46 <gomiam> bef0rd: ah, cierto, que ya no recordaba lo del "buuu" XD
Aug 26 08:29:59 <qwerty12> bef0rd: Heh, I just vnc in and take a screenshot or ssh in and use fbgrab and use sshfs to retrieve the picture :/
Aug 26 08:30:22 <bef0rd> gomiam, sep, pero no soy la 'chica' de la foto :P soy Fernando.
Aug 26 08:30:42 <gomiam> bef0rd: ¿antes o después del cambio de sexo? ;-)
Aug 26 08:31:00 <qwerty12> I don't know what he said but sounds good
Aug 26 08:31:25 <gomiam> qwerty12: just joking about his not being the girl on the lower right side of the picture
Aug 26 08:31:50 <qwerty12> heh :)
Aug 26 08:31:50 <bef0rd> haha gomiam :P
Aug 26 08:31:51 <gomiam> (and asking whether that was before or after the sex change operation)
Aug 26 08:31:58 <qwerty12> lol
Aug 26 08:35:06 <Khertan> pupnik: currently mCalendar, and mContacts
Aug 26 08:36:25 <melmoth> Khertan:do you plan to push pygtkeditor in diablo extras repo ? i did not find it
Aug 26 08:36:54 <melmoth> and i did not find the gtksourceview lib when i try to installed it manually fetching binary from here and there
Aug 26 08:37:03 <Khertan> melmoth: yep ... it s planned ... but not a priority ...
Aug 26 08:37:14 <pupnik> congrats Khertan
Aug 26 08:37:24 <Khertan> as i can't make a gtksourceview source package on my not
Aug 26 08:37:25 <Khertan> nit
Aug 26 08:38:30 <Khertan> melmoth: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pygtkeditor/pygtkeditor-2.2.0-4_all.deb
Aug 26 08:38:50 <Khertan> melmoth: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python-pygtksourceview/python-pygtksourceview-2.0.0-4_armel.deb
Aug 26 08:39:43 <Khertan> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/libg/libgtksourceview2.0-0/libgtksourceview2.0-0-2.0.0-2_armel.deb
Aug 26 08:39:55 <melmoth> ohh, that the one i missed yesterday
Aug 26 08:39:56 <Khertan> melmoth: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/libg/libgtksourceview2.0-common/libgtksourceview2.0-common-2.0.1-2_armel.deb
Aug 26 08:40:53 <melmoth> thanks
Aug 26 08:54:07 <thux> i changed to links2 -g cause diablo's browser keeps falling, can i somehow set links2 -g in full screen?
Aug 26 08:59:26 <melmoth> haha
Aug 26 08:59:28 <melmoth> oups
Aug 26 09:00:51 <dexem> I'm trying to use osso_statusbar_send_event to send some dbus signals, but I don't know how to know if it's working (it doesn't seem)... how can I know it? or... do you know any link I could see?
Aug 26 09:14:39 <florian> good morning
Aug 26 09:15:54 <murrayc_> florian: Hi.
Aug 26 09:24:13 <robsta> hello
Aug 26 09:24:31 <robsta> i'm wondering how to get the gps on my n810 going
Aug 26 09:24:53 <robsta> it doesn't work in the map app, neither with maemo mapper
Aug 26 09:25:28 <yacoob> robsta, if you're talking internal gps, it doesn't do well in areas with poor reception
Aug 26 09:25:54 <robsta> internal, yes
Aug 26 09:26:21 <robsta> hmm, ok, so maybe i'm just unlucky where i'm living?
Aug 26 09:26:30 <yacoob> you should get a separate gps icon in the status bar - see how many satelites you see, and what is the signal level
Aug 26 09:27:12 <robsta> the satellite icon was flashing while satellites were scanned for, now it's gone
Aug 26 09:27:22 <melmoth> first time i used the gps, it got a hook on the satellite the moment i arrived at destination.
Aug 26 09:28:56 <florian> robsta: The first fix (and every cold start) takes ages. Setting the clock correctly can help a lot.
Aug 26 09:29:26 <robsta>  /dev/pgps would it be for internal, right?
Aug 26 09:29:49 <robsta> florian: think i've never gotten the fix, in months
Aug 26 09:30:24 <robsta> or do i need to use GPSD Host?
Aug 26 09:30:32 <melmoth> robsta: with maemomapper, you just leave blank the gps info field to use the internal one (if i remeber correclty)
Aug 26 09:31:01 <yacoob> melmoth, if you leve it blank, it'll use the one you configure in system settings
Aug 26 09:31:07 <melmoth> and choose "bluetooth"
Aug 26 09:31:40 <robsta> melmoth: i don't have a BT GPS device around
Aug 26 09:32:26 <melmoth> robsta: me neither, as yacoob says, the system setting gps is set to internal.
Aug 26 09:32:42 <melmoth> and the maemomapper one is set to "bluetooth", blank entry
Aug 26 09:33:55 <robsta> "Establishing GPS fix", oh awesome, never got that far
Aug 26 09:36:53 <melmoth> robsta: be sure you are out, and not moving, and no finger near the leftern top part of the tablet.
Aug 26 09:47:30 <lcuk> hmmm, has anyone noticed any changes with the cpufreq throttling, on powersave now i have a noticable speed step between active and inactive.  its almost as if powersave is acting like ondemand
Aug 26 09:48:05 <JamieBennett> lcuk: Can't say I've noticed but ... its possible I suppose
Aug 26 09:49:00 <lcuk> hi JamieBennett i flashed to diablo this weekend, and thought i was in a different cpumode cos of the way it was acting
Aug 26 09:49:35 <JamieBennett> I've been running diablo for a while now so maybe the effect has worn off on me?
Aug 26 09:50:02 <qwerty12> lcuk: changes were made in the kernel and cpufreq is handled by kernel. maybe read kernel-source-diablo changelog?
Aug 26 09:50:07 <lcuk> well powersave is what i always switched to when i knew i wasnt using the device cos i knew it stayed slow
Aug 26 09:50:23 <lcuk> yer im gonna have to, it was just noticing a difference
Aug 26 09:51:50 * qwerty12 looks into why my libid3tag is effed up
Aug 26 09:52:12 <lcuk> optimizations :P
Aug 26 09:52:57 <qwerty12> I don't think it is :P, it just seems to be missing a function according to the mpd configure script. If I can't have tag support in mpd, no point in compiling it.
Aug 26 09:53:59 <lcuk> heh, does this mean the compilation youve been tryingall weekend is for nothing?
Aug 26 09:54:45 <qwerty12> Shouldn't be :). I'll just grab libid3tag from Austin Che's repo. Won't be optimised but it's just a tag reader :P :)
Aug 26 09:55:11 * qwerty12 has been annoyed I've been compiling with -g. I'm not going back however.
Aug 26 09:55:30 <lcuk> but thats the sort of operation you NEED to be fast, it has to go through each file and identify the tag location - its why all the media scanners are slow
Aug 26 09:55:49 * Jaffa preps his council candidacy mail.
Aug 26 09:56:08 <qwerty12> lcuk: hmm, good point. But mpd currently with that lib scans my files fast.
Aug 26 09:57:09 <qwerty12> Heh, free is great. He published that perl script he made that excellent changelog with.
Aug 26 09:59:09 <Stskeeps> ~extras
Aug 26 09:59:10 <infobot> i heard extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Aug 26 10:01:10 <JamieBennett> go Jaffa :D
Aug 26 10:01:29 <Jaffa> JamieBennett: ta :)
Aug 26 10:02:30 <lcuk> ok i grabbed the changelog and theres nothing new and specific, maybe its upstream
Aug 26 10:02:40 <lcuk> or downstream or whatever it is
Aug 26 10:02:52 <qwerty12> Cool, the file manager dialogs will be different in fremantle, hopefully nicer :)
Aug 26 10:03:12 <qwerty12> lcuk: not sure on that, it's still 2.6.21
Aug 26 10:04:25 <lcuk> ill have a proper rummage through later, for now im not that bothered, just surprised me - there  IS still a difference between powersave and ondemand, but they both speed up when you give them a workout
Aug 26 10:04:48 <lcuk> ondemand speeds up more often though
Aug 26 10:05:12 <lcuk> :) jaffa
Aug 26 10:05:33 <qwerty12> lcuk: fixed the libid3tag with optimisations :)
Aug 26 10:06:25 <lcuk> good :)
Aug 26 10:06:56 <qwerty12> Thanks, it just needed a recompile. Probably wanted libmad which I compiled after libid3tag :)
Aug 26 10:11:02 <lcuk> does it seem odd to anyone as to why the wimax driver was removed from kernel?
Aug 26 10:11:40 <qwerty12> Where does it say it was removed?
Aug 26 10:11:59 <lcuk> ahhh tis ok - kernel source changelog, last entry - but theres a different new driver WiWLAN
Aug 26 10:23:01 <robsta> it seems to work now, thanks guys!
Aug 26 10:34:25 * qwerty12 likes the whining tag on the "can the '08 GUI be ANY crappier?" thread lol
Aug 26 10:35:30 * qwerty12 is happy. Optimised mpd is working brilliantly, just high cpu for 2 seconds at the start of each song :/
Aug 26 10:36:52 * JamieBennett likes Jaffa's email to the community list
Aug 26 10:38:17 * qwerty12 does dirty hacks to my dpkg status file
Aug 26 10:38:46 <Jaffa> JamieBennett: It's amazing what you can rattle off whilst waiting for Eclipse to work
Aug 26 10:39:57 <JamieBennett> Jaffa: :D
Aug 26 10:44:59 <Jaffa> Someone (and I'll do it later if no-one else has), needs to advertise candidature on ITT
Aug 26 10:45:32 <JamieBennett> Jaffa: As in a thread or Reggie doing a front page news item?
Aug 26 10:45:58 <Jaffa> I was thinking former. Maybe Reggie would then do his "promote thread to news article" thingy that he does sometimes.
Aug 26 10:46:25 <Jaffa> I suspect there may be good candidates who are on ITT, but don't follow maemo-community
Aug 26 10:46:37 <Jaffa> There's been *sufficient* advertising, but would be good to have more.
Aug 26 10:46:45 <JamieBennett> I can go do a thread now, I'm not busy at the moment.
Aug 26 10:47:39 * qwerty12 didn't even realise there is maemo-community. Then again, I'm not a community person.
Aug 26 10:48:44 <Jaffa> JamieBennett: ta
Aug 26 10:49:11 <Jaffa>  /nick qwerty12 hermit12
Aug 26 10:49:28 <Jaffa> :)
Aug 26 10:49:39 <hermit12> It worked :P :)
Aug 26 10:53:33 * qwerty12 goes back to normal, that's enough frivolity from me today :P 
Aug 26 10:55:48 <JamieBennett> Jaffa: Dave put it so eloquently in his email to the list that its hard to reword it. I'll add a comment to the start and reproduce it in the thread
Aug 26 10:56:30 <Jaffa> JamieBennett: sounds good
Aug 26 11:18:33 <lcuk> jaffa, your post is true, i knowthey are gonna offer a standard but as you say if people dont like it, they will use their own
Aug 26 11:19:01 <lcuk> its happened since the dawn of time, unless they get it bang on right we will continue this cycle
Aug 26 11:19:06 <Jaffa> yup
Aug 26 11:19:10 <JamieBennett> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=217579
Aug 26 11:19:18 <Jaffa> iterative development is better - it's  just frustrating when the iterations are so long
Aug 26 11:19:23 <Jaffa> JamieBennett: ta
Aug 26 11:19:36 <JamieBennett> Jaffa: np
Aug 26 11:34:38 <yacoob> good way of starting up with maemo developement would be getting a linux box... I don't have one at the moment :D
Aug 26 11:41:22 <lcuk> yacoob ;) i develop in windows - for starters depending on the language you can just write python, for more indepth use vmware with the maemovmware image
Aug 26 11:41:40 <RST38h> lcook
Aug 26 11:42:49 <lcuk> RST38888h,
Aug 26 11:45:01 <qwerty12_N800> Any libao experts here?
Aug 26 11:45:54 <yacoob> lcuk, it's just I've got rid of my linux desktop at home, and I sure wouldn't want to ressurect it. I'll see whether I can have scratchbox on osx...
Aug 26 11:47:39 <melmoth> hola lcuk : remember the issue i had with slow cairo rendering in gtk ? Your tip (drawing the picture in the gtk thread based on info prepared on another thread) works like a charm.
Aug 26 11:47:42 <melmoth> thanks ;-)
Aug 26 11:49:36 <lcuk> melmoth, :) glad you got it sorted, now get the code/movie/anything out there
Aug 26 11:50:58 <melmoth> there are still lots of work to do, but everything is on garage in the sayhoo project. I realised this morning computing the image can be made faster too
Aug 26 11:51:39 <melmoth> when looking for "nearby" node, i span the all node database with request asking for lat*lat and lon*lon, i should do that only for the part of hte map i m interested in.
Aug 26 11:51:48 <melmoth> i expect things to be smotther once i change that too
Aug 26 11:52:35 <melmoth> Then, i wonder how long a 'regular' route finding will take, and may be it will be usable.
Aug 26 11:54:12 <lcuk> melmoth, i forgot it was up, ill have a look at it later (if i remember)
Aug 26 11:55:01 * lcuk slides back off to work
Aug 26 11:58:10 <baaba> hey, i'm sort of confused about when the nfs mounts are supposed to happen exactly when using sbrsh?
Aug 26 11:59:24 <baaba> currently i've got scratchbox/the device in a state where if i run just sbrsh it says it can't find /bin/sh, but if i manually add the mounts on the device then it (sort of) works
Aug 26 12:05:30 <andrewfblack> Khertan you here
Aug 26 12:18:14 <Khertan> andrewfblack: yep
Aug 26 12:18:23 <Khertan> andrewfblack: i ve received your files
Aug 26 12:22:47 <baaba> i also looked at /tmp/sbrshd___.log and it didn't say anything about mount failures - it just seems it doesn't even try to mount what i've specified in .sbrsh :<
Aug 26 12:36:03 <RST38h> moo all
Aug 26 12:37:31 <JamieBennett> RST38h: moo
Aug 26 12:38:49 <qwerty12_N800> hi RST38h
Aug 26 12:50:37 <lopz> hola
Aug 26 13:20:59 <Kegetys> hmm, how are you supposed to read sound from the N810 microphone using python? it seems the sound libraries have been removed
Aug 26 13:36:22 <XTL> gstreamer bindings?
Aug 26 13:37:08 <XTL> Should be there. Don't know what you can pull out of them, though.
Aug 26 13:37:14 <XTL> (Or what you want)
Aug 26 13:38:06 <Kegetys> I'd just want to read raw sound data from the microphone with as low latency as possible
Aug 26 13:56:51 <Knowledge> GAN800: what was the next logical chip for the new tablet?
Aug 26 13:58:39 <JamieBennett> Knowledge: OMAP3430
Aug 26 13:59:21 <Knowledge> Thanks Jamie...I'm dyin here, I wanted to get an n810, but decided I'll wait...for the next one
Aug 26 13:59:43 <qwerty12_N800> Good decision :)
Aug 26 14:00:12 <jott> nah, buy both that's the best decision :D
Aug 26 14:00:20 <JamieBennett> I'd wait but the n810 is a great device nonetheless
Aug 26 14:00:23 <qwerty12_N800> The way Nokia implemented the hardware on the N8x0 leaves a lot to be desired >.<
Aug 26 14:00:43 * qwerty12_N800 will start saving for an N900 :) 
Aug 26 14:00:58 * XTL keeps an eye out for cheap used ones
Aug 26 14:01:12 <Knowledge> I agree, until I realized that the D-pad is hidden...
Aug 26 14:01:14 <Knowledge> that annoyed me...
Aug 26 14:01:21 <jott> yay! cheap used n900s :)
Aug 26 14:02:20 <qwerty12_N800> already?!?
Aug 26 14:02:25 <qwerty12_N800> :O
Aug 26 14:02:36 <jott> hi pupnik!
Aug 26 14:02:36 <XTL> gimme
Aug 26 14:05:39 <qwerty12_N800> "  * When setting non-en language on RX-48, make secondary input language en_US, not en_GB"
Aug 26 14:05:46 * qwerty12_N800 does not like
Aug 26 14:08:25 * XTL neither
Aug 26 14:10:40 <RST38h> Ah, those brits...
Aug 26 14:11:06 * qwerty12_N800 looks into testserver. i have a feeling phoenix starts it up when the tablet is connected to a FS-66
Aug 26 14:12:02 * XTL wishes there was en_SANE locale
Aug 26 14:12:12 <RST38h> it's C
Aug 26 14:12:23 <RST38h> "C" locale is relatively sane
Aug 26 14:12:54 <XTL> So it has been.
Aug 26 14:13:49 <aquatix> non-utf8 though
Aug 26 14:14:14 <RST38h> screw utf8...
Aug 26 14:14:33 <XTL> Not by default
Aug 26 14:15:43 <pupnik> hello jott
Aug 26 14:16:20 <aquatix> RST38h: don't screw it by default?
Aug 26 14:18:37 <RST38h> http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00h4at6h.gif
Aug 26 14:18:39 <RST38h> Heheh
Aug 26 14:19:49 <pedroerp> hey guys! how do i get the source of xserver-xomap package?
Aug 26 14:20:09 <pupnik> wow, i can read norwegian (!)
Aug 26 14:20:18 <RST38h> does not take much to figure out
Aug 26 14:20:36 <RST38h> in this sample at least
Aug 26 14:20:37 <XTL> Norwegian is pretty readable
Aug 26 14:20:40 <pupnik> yes
Aug 26 14:20:49 <XTL> More so if you know swedish
Aug 26 14:21:02 <pupnik> vorsammenarbeid = zusammenarbeit = working together
Aug 26 14:21:09 <pupnik> etc
Aug 26 14:25:09 <PauloZanoni> is it possible to run xorg on n810?
Aug 26 14:25:31 <Knowledge> JamieBennett: did you mean the OMAP3530?
Aug 26 14:26:59 <andrewfblack> Khertan what did you think is it any good?  Like I said never done one before
Aug 26 14:28:09 <JamieBennett> Knowledge: No, the 3430 - http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649
Aug 26 14:28:27 <Knowledge> Yeah, sorry I found it after typing
Aug 26 14:28:39 <Knowledge> I wonder why not any of the higher ones?
Aug 26 14:29:05 <pupnik> 3530 is just a variant of 3430
Aug 26 14:29:21 <JamieBennett> pupnik: Indeed
Aug 26 14:29:42 <pupnik> strange choice of number imo
Aug 26 14:33:45 <Knowledge> Can't wait...
Aug 26 14:34:14 <Knowledge> I kept wanting an Itouch...but figured I'd wait...
Aug 26 14:34:17 <Knowledge> my 770 is getting old
Aug 26 14:35:49 <JamieBennett> Yes, the announcements at OSiM and the summit should confirm/disprove if this is indeed going to be in the new tablets.
Aug 26 14:35:49 <Knowledge> Alright, work calls....I'm out.
Aug 26 14:36:00 <Knowledge> OSiM?
Aug 26 14:36:29 <Knowledge> got it
Aug 26 14:36:36 <JamieBennett> The event before the summit, Open source in mobile conference
Aug 26 14:36:44 <Knowledge> gotcha...
Aug 26 14:36:48 <Knowledge> alright guys, take care.
Aug 26 14:36:53 <JamieBennett> cya
Aug 26 14:38:11 * qwerty12_N800 wants to know contents of https://projects.maemo.org/trac/af/wiki/Desktop/Data/SSU
Aug 26 14:39:25 <aquatix> qwerty12_N800: user/pass please? ;)
Aug 26 14:40:06 <qwerty12_N800> aquatix: don't have it :(. some internal link i'd guess. i found it after googling
Aug 26 14:40:23 <aquatix> qwerty12_N800: doesn't google cache have something interesting?
Aug 26 14:40:26 <RST38h> no google cache?
Aug 26 14:40:29 <pupnik> it would be hard to imagine nokia going with something else...
Aug 26 14:40:33 <qwerty12_N800> no :(
Aug 26 14:40:52 <XTL> It's unlikely google would get in either :)
Aug 26 14:41:12 * aquatix is not sure about that
Aug 26 14:41:37 * qwerty12_N800 knows quite a few internal links, just no user/pass
Aug 26 14:41:42 <Khertan> and without the s ...
Aug 26 14:41:58 <Khertan> of https ... i get a timeout error :(
Aug 26 14:42:14 <XTL> I think p.m.o is off limits to public
Aug 26 14:44:14 <JamieBennett> I can get p.m.o
Aug 26 14:44:27 <aquatix> i can haz p.m.o?
Aug 26 14:44:35 * qwerty12_N800 haz pms
Aug 26 14:44:50 <qwerty12_N800> sorry, i had to.
Aug 26 14:44:52 <Khertan> http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.startaid.com%2Freview%2F6472323%2FDesktop-Data-SSU---af---Trac.html&ei=3Ra0SKerJZWi0gXqhs3qCA&usg=AFQjCNHBt9qI2EVfzagLFs9W0dSvzvawBQ&sig2=QwwQs96VdMRHVF-P_IG1ZA
Aug 26 14:44:55 * jumpula just went to scary visual place
Aug 26 14:44:55 <Khertan> ? :)
Aug 26 14:44:59 <aquatix> qwerty12_N800: you'er a fake lady you!
Aug 26 14:45:24 <qwerty12_N800> oh noez, the secret iz out!
Aug 26 14:49:05 <pupnik> qwerty12_N800: has perfect maemo superiority
Aug 26 14:49:33 <qwerty12_N800> http://pastebin.com/m5ce689c4 - if you are observant, you will know what i'm hinting at
Aug 26 14:52:02 <Khertan> qwerty12_N800: don't see
Aug 26 14:52:17 <qwerty12_N800> pupnik: hardly :p. i just have the nitro package and was signed up to dsm-devel :p
Aug 26 14:52:25 <qwerty12_N800> Khertan: search maemo
Aug 26 14:53:08 <Khertan> :)
Aug 26 14:53:10 <Khertan> i ve see :)
Aug 26 15:01:54 <qwerty12> packages.debian.org is such a slow pos. it's faster to go to http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ instead :rolleyes:
Aug 26 15:03:02 <XTL> Do those compare somehow?
Aug 26 15:03:58 <qwerty12> packages.debian.org gets its source tgz's from there
Aug 26 15:08:13 <jott> XTL: packages.debian.org is a search frontend for packages while ftp.debian.org is a file archive for packages...
Aug 26 15:10:57 <jott> but you could always use mirrors instead of hammering the main site :)
Aug 26 15:12:11 <Mek> hmm... is it normal to not receive a reply for > 4 days to get my blog on planet maemo? :)
Aug 26 15:12:27 <jott> Mek: x-fade is still on vacation :)
Aug 26 15:12:37 <Mek> ah, he handles that too? :)
Aug 26 15:12:44 <jott> i bet :)
Aug 26 15:12:57 <ariya> jott: hola
Aug 26 15:13:07 <jott> hello ariya.
Aug 26 15:15:11 <ariya> jott: I also asked jens to join this channel, but maybe he's busy
Aug 26 15:15:39 <jott> ariya: ah i see. yes, would be great.
Aug 26 15:15:56 <ariya> jott: at least he's on the mailing list
Aug 26 15:17:06 <jott> ariya: yes. the closer the modifications stays under tt supervision the better.
Aug 26 15:17:40 <jott> ariya: btw, do you have concrete plans for the paint engine yet?
Aug 26 15:18:06 <ariya> jott: yeah, but probably I will do it after two weeks (I have my defense exam next week)
Aug 26 15:18:17 <ariya> jott: from a glance, it looks promising
Aug 26 15:19:35 <jott> ariya: i fear xrender stays a bottleneck, maybe there is a way around it (improve the no_xrender path eg.).
Aug 26 15:20:21 <ariya> jott: I am not really an X11 person, but usually I stay away from xrender as far as possible :-)
Aug 26 15:21:40 <jott> ariya: hehe, yeah i tried to just disable it but the results look rather bizarre (no anti-aliasing, no alpha-blending, etc.)
Aug 26 15:22:10 <ariya> jott: my plan is to use the raster engine, and just blit the end result
Aug 26 15:22:11 <jott> i guess reusing the qws/fb stuff would be nice.
Aug 26 15:22:23 <ariya> jott: we're optimizing our raster engine like crazy for 4.5 :-)
Aug 26 15:22:39 <jott> sweet. and about time ;)
Aug 26 15:23:11 <ariya> jott: and if finally a decent GL driver is available, we can use that as well
Aug 26 15:23:24 <ariya> jott: 4.5 will be a wonderful release w.r.t to graphics
Aug 26 15:23:37 <jott> nice. haven't looked at it yet.
Aug 26 15:24:06 <ariya> relax, not yet pushed to the snapshot
Aug 26 15:29:19 <jott> ariya: what kind of target would that be when using the raster engine with x11? a completely new one or just the no_xrender path?
Aug 26 15:29:59 <ariya> jott: just as if you paint to a QImage, then call drawImage to blit it to the screen
Aug 26 15:32:10 <jott> ariya: yeah sure, just wonder where it would end up as it's neither really x11 nor framebuffer :)
Aug 26 15:32:55 <ariya> jott: does not really matter, either we blit using XPutImage/whatever or write to the fb
Aug 26 15:33:22 <ariya> jott: the bottleneck is likely during the painting (unless our graphics bandwidth is really stupid)
Aug 26 15:33:35 <manyoso> i have a version that does this i'll post it soon
Aug 26 15:33:56 <manyoso> jott: the technique ariya talks about is how i was able to get acceptable framerates
Aug 26 15:34:35 <manyoso> ariya: is there a snapshot of Qt 4.5 with these crazy raster engine improvements? ie, has it made it into the snapshots yet?
Aug 26 15:34:44 <ariya> manyoso: yeah, you should post it soon :-)
Aug 26 15:34:59 <ariya> manyoso: you should "fix" your assertion of Qt being slow there :-P
Aug 26 15:35:00 <manyoso> if so I'd really like it if we could get some debs of snapshot made for maemo
Aug 26 15:35:18 <manyoso> ariya: heh, hope it didn't ruffle to many feathers
Aug 26 15:35:23 <manyoso> the assertion is after all correct
Aug 26 15:35:41 <ariya> manyoso: I have no problem with the assertion
Aug 26 15:35:49 <jott> manyoso: ruffeling feathers is good - you see something is done :)
Aug 26 15:36:00 <manyoso> and i quite clearly stated in the blog post the likely problem was Xrender, not Qt
Aug 26 15:36:02 <ariya> manyoso: only being afraid (paranoid) that someone (digg/slashdot/etc) gets it "wrong"
Aug 26 15:36:07 <manyoso> right
Aug 26 15:36:18 <manyoso> it is a sad state of affairs with Xrender
Aug 26 15:36:23 <ariya> manyoso: well, Qt is also the fault here, as it does not handle 16-to-16 gracefully
Aug 26 15:36:31 <manyoso> ariya: right
Aug 26 15:36:53 <manyoso> i still want my option to load 16 bit qimage's using QImageDecoder and friends
Aug 26 15:37:07 <ariya> manyoso: improved raster engine will come soon in snapshot, just be patient
Aug 26 15:37:11 <manyoso> we have 16 bit qimage's with alphachannel now after all
Aug 26 15:37:20 <manyoso> ariya: can you give me a shout when it lands?
Aug 26 15:37:44 <ariya> manyoso: likely someone will post a notice anyway on Trolltech Labs
Aug 26 15:55:03 <Khertan> bye
Aug 26 16:01:01 <manyoso> jott: ariya: see http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3644
Aug 26 16:01:42 <jott> manyoso: thanks.
Aug 26 16:03:14 <jott> manyoso: how much fps you get with qgears?
Aug 26 16:03:40 <ariya> manyoso: cool
Aug 26 16:03:49 <manyoso> average of 35% increase i think
Aug 26 16:04:00 <manyoso> over my previous numbers for -image case
Aug 26 16:04:07 <manyoso> still not great, but better
Aug 26 16:04:19 <ariya> manyoso: hmm actually I think I didn't explain it clear enough the problem
Aug 26 16:04:31 <ariya> manyoso: the 32-to-16 a definitely a bottleneck
Aug 26 16:04:53 <ariya> manyoso: but even if you painter->drawPixmap(16-bit pixmap), Qt still converts it to 32-bit --> slow
Aug 26 16:05:04 <manyoso> right
Aug 26 16:05:10 <manyoso> because Qt's backingstore is 32
Aug 26 16:05:23 <ariya> manyoso: not really true
Aug 26 16:05:31 <manyoso> ?
Aug 26 16:05:34 <ariya> manyoso: you can skip it using WA_PaintOnScreen, and the problem persists
Aug 26 16:06:28 <manyoso> ariya: correct me if i'm wrong, but what i'm doing involves no 32 bit operations
Aug 26 16:06:30 <manyoso> right?
Aug 26 16:06:42 <manyoso> both the src and dst paintdevice's are 16 bit
Aug 26 16:06:58 <manyoso> and then i take care of blitting to screen which means no 32 bit operation there
Aug 26 16:07:38 <ariya> manyoso: in your example, yes that's true and good. inside Qt, no
Aug 26 16:07:59 <ariya> manyoso: btw, Qt's backingstore always match that of X. so in Maemo it will be a 16-bit pixmap
Aug 26 16:08:05 <manyoso> and the reason is the dst paintdevice for QWidget's is 32 bit by default, right?
Aug 26 16:08:19 <ariya> manyoso: no, it is always the same as X visual
Aug 26 16:08:46 <manyoso> oh, well, then in that case it is Xrender causing the slowdown then because there is no 32 bit operation
Aug 26 16:09:10 <ariya> manyoso: not true, I tried disabling Xrender and the problem persists
Aug 26 16:09:28 <ariya> manyoso: QT_NO_XRENDER is the magic env var
Aug 26 16:11:01 <manyoso> ok, so if it is not Xrender and there is no 32 bit operation, then what is going on?
Aug 26 16:11:31 <ariya> manyoso: Qt does not blit 16-image/pixmap to 16-bit X, instead converting it to 32-bit first
Aug 26 16:11:54 <manyoso> ugh
Aug 26 16:12:00 <ariya> manyoso: it's in  QX11PixmapData::fromImage, if you want to check
Aug 26 16:12:08 <manyoso> well, i had no idea it was being that weird
Aug 26 16:12:26 <manyoso> any idea why on earth it would do that?
Aug 26 16:12:29 <ariya> manyoso: the reason is 16-bit has many different formats, 555, 565, 1555, and God knows what
Aug 26 16:12:56 <ariya> manyoso: X is free to define the bit masks as it likes, and then your example will fail
Aug 26 16:13:21 <manyoso> right
Aug 26 16:13:46 <ariya> manyoso: so what I will do is to tackle the case of 16-bit X in Maemo only, and forget the rest (meanwhile)
Aug 26 16:14:03 <manyoso> sure
Aug 26 16:14:12 <manyoso> QT_OS_HILDON or whatever
Aug 26 16:14:19 <ariya> manyoso: Q_WS_HILDON
Aug 26 16:14:26 <manyoso> right, sounds lke a plan
Aug 26 16:14:42 <manyoso> X on maemo is 565 RGB
Aug 26 16:14:48 <ariya> manyoso: if you modify a bit your blog entry to reflect the real problem (not 32-to-16), I would be grateful
Aug 26 16:14:58 <manyoso> ok
Aug 26 16:15:07 <ariya> manyoso: hmm, I though it's 555
Aug 26 16:15:34 <ariya> manyoso: I guess you're right, it's 565
Aug 26 16:16:24 * ariya loves manyoso's example!
Aug 26 16:17:27 <ariya> manyoso: btw, you don't need to keep m_rasterDevice as a pointer, just normal object
Aug 26 16:18:44 <manyoso> "Qt decides to convert all 16 bit pixmaps to 32 bit before blitting even if the source QPaintDevice and the destination QPaintDevice are both 16 bit."
Aug 26 16:18:49 <manyoso> better summary?
Aug 26 16:18:55 <ariya> right, thanks
Aug 26 16:18:59 <manyoso> great
Aug 26 16:19:38 <manyoso> ariya: isn't it better to just allocate m_rasterDevice once on the heap?
Aug 26 16:20:14 <ariya> manyoso: it will allocate the pixel data from the heap anyway
Aug 26 16:20:32 <ariya> manyoso: btw, you need XDestroyImage somewhere
Aug 26 16:20:43 <manyoso> oh hmm
Aug 26 16:21:06 <ariya> manyoso: or I wonder if you can cache the XImage, and update the pixel data and re-XPutImage
Aug 26 16:21:21 <manyoso> how to do that?
Aug 26 16:21:49 <ariya> manyoso: I dunno, there must be a way of doing that
Aug 26 16:21:57 <jott> couldn't you use xshm and make qimage use that memory?
Aug 26 16:22:16 <ariya> jott: we'll probably get that in 4.5 as well :-)
Aug 26 16:22:39 <manyoso> that would be nice
Aug 26 16:22:55 <Mek> any eta for 4.5? :P
Aug 26 16:23:29 <ariya> manyoso: so you create a XImage in the constructor, then just refill the pixel data by accessing its 'data' member
Aug 26 16:23:41 <ariya> Mek: can't comment on that
Aug 26 16:32:57 <Khertan_n810> Hi again
Aug 26 16:33:47 <Khertan_n810> how it s possible that gdata never emit a timeout exception
Aug 26 16:34:43 <Khertan_n810> closing the connection while retrieving event is made the call to the function endless
Aug 26 16:34:55 <Khertan_n810> s/is
Aug 26 16:35:57 <usicow> I just installed the sandbox and Im reading the Diablo Reference Manual as recommended which goes through how to install it.. all went fine.. but how to I start it?
Aug 26 16:36:07 <ariya>   jott: any compiler define now to detect if we're running Qt Maemo? perhaps in the shipped Qt include files?
Aug 26 16:37:03 <GeneralAntilles> usicow, Scratchbox.
Aug 26 16:37:06 <jott> ariya: currently Q_WS_HILDON is used everywhere.
Aug 26 16:41:18 <ariya> jott: where is defined? which header file?
Aug 26 16:42:03 <jott> ariya: ugh. seems nowhere :(.
Aug 26 16:42:10 <jott> this has to be fixed.
Aug 26 16:42:33 <jott> should go to qglobal.h, right?
Aug 26 16:42:36 <usicow> GeneralAntilles: err yeah, thats what I meant :) Obviously Im a noob.. so how do I start it?
Aug 26 16:42:37 <ariya> jott: yes, for Maemo's 4.4.1 possibly?
Aug 26 16:42:50 <Mek> jott: and at least in one place there is a #if Q_WS_HILDON instead of a #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON... (qmainwindow.h)
Aug 26 16:44:31 <ariya> Mek: strange, how is it supposed to work? defined in the .pro file?
Aug 26 16:44:45 <Mek> no, that one is not supposed to work at all I think...
Aug 26 16:44:52 <jott> that's clearly a bug.
Aug 26 16:54:14 <fijal> hello
Aug 26 17:07:49 <fijal> I have a problem setting up network inside my scratchbox
Aug 26 17:07:54 <fijal> ie how do I do it?
Aug 26 17:08:10 <fijal> when I was on ADSL everything worked fine, but now it seems that I cannot access network from inside
Aug 26 17:08:14 <fijal> what can possibly go wrong?
Aug 26 17:08:27 <Mek> your /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf could be wrong?
Aug 26 17:08:41 <fijal> that's possible
Aug 26 17:09:13 <fijal> indeed, worked out
Aug 26 17:09:15 <fijal> thank you
Aug 26 17:10:12 <Mek> had the same problem myself some time ago :)
Aug 26 17:10:37 <fijal> it's fairly confusing to find out what's going on in and out
Aug 26 17:19:41 <Stskeeps> would directories in /usr/share/icons/hicolor like 64x64 or 32x32 that doesnt always exist before, cause trouble with GTK's icon lookup stuff?
Aug 26 17:20:04 <Stskeeps> because i noticed i seem to be missing some icon parts in my maemo messages after i installed some icons into dirs like that
Aug 26 17:22:10 <GeneralAntilles> The tablet isn't in love with doing a USB hard drive copy and sftp at the same time.
Aug 26 17:28:07 <lcuk> jott, ariya :( i see performance limitations are starting to be noticable
Aug 26 17:29:03 <GeneralAntilles> <3 OTG
Aug 26 17:30:28 <CptLaptop> huh
Aug 26 17:30:40 <CptLaptop> according to wikipedia the n800 runs the same arm11 cpu as my cell doe
Aug 26 17:30:42 <CptLaptop> s
Aug 26 17:30:56 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP2420
Aug 26 17:31:07 <GeneralAntilles> Typically used in the high-end Nokia N-series devices.
Aug 26 17:31:08 <CptLaptop> yeah
Aug 26 17:31:23 <CptLaptop> my cell runs at 369mhz, the n800 on 400... thats not a big difference
Aug 26 17:31:30 <qwerty12_N800> nokia symbian phones (s60 v3 ones at least) share the same processor
Aug 26 17:31:33 <CptLaptop> "high end"... N series run at 320 mhz
Aug 26 17:31:42 <CptLaptop> most of them anyways
Aug 26 17:31:58 <CptLaptop> new E series run 369, along with the 6120, 6220 etc
Aug 26 17:32:30 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP3430 is 600MHz
Aug 26 17:32:41 <ariya> lcuk: working on the fix :-)
Aug 26 17:32:45 <GeneralAntilles> and much more powerful and efficient than ARM11
Aug 26 17:32:46 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, and it should have some headroom too :)
Aug 26 17:33:05 <GeneralAntilles> I was hearing ~900MHz from Pandora
Aug 26 17:33:20 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, yeah, me too. crazy, eh?
Aug 26 17:33:23 <lcuk> ariya :) hope you manage it, though i dont see how you will manage such a large gain.  it will be interesting to see
Aug 26 17:33:37 <GeneralAntilles> Scares me shitless, johnx.
Aug 26 17:34:15 <lcuk> ariya, since you are inside, perhaps you can help push the need for pvr :)  https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification   its the one path available for real speedups (at the slight lowering of resolution)
Aug 26 17:34:34 <GeneralAntilles> TI will be the lord of the rings once they've distributed the OMAP3 to everybody. . . .
Aug 26 17:34:46 <johnx> a fast CPU with a big battery attached to the back is what I really want from the world, so I'm pretty thrilled
Aug 26 17:35:10 <lcuk> pandora still doesnt have 3d drivers though and that concerns me
Aug 26 17:35:30 <johnx> lcuk, hmm? if they ship without 3D drivers the devs will be forced to walk the plank...
Aug 26 17:35:36 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, it's being worked out
Aug 26 17:35:39 <GeneralAntilles> Beagle is close
Aug 26 17:35:39 <johnx> what makes you think they don't have 3D drivers?
Aug 26 17:35:56 <GeneralAntilles> The issue is more of the sourciness of the drivers than their existence at this point.
Aug 26 17:36:25 <lcuk> all this "its close" "its coming" "we have private test drivers" makes me grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Aug 26 17:36:37 <lcuk> sourciness be damned, i want binary
Aug 26 17:36:40 <GeneralAntilles> There are drivers available afaik.
Aug 26 17:36:53 <lcuk> search their blog for 3d http://www.openpandora.org/blog.php
Aug 26 17:37:00 <lcuk> Quake2 running in software mode (not using the 3D hardware yet, but still pushing 60fps).
Aug 26 17:37:29 <johnx> lcuk, drivers won't do you any good without hardware
Aug 26 17:37:36 <lcuk> they have the omap3
Aug 26 17:37:47 <GeneralAntilles> http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/ec1427fdb8f9ef8d
Aug 26 17:37:47 <lcuk> and we have the omap2
Aug 26 17:37:49 <lcuk> its the same story
Aug 26 17:37:51 <GeneralAntilles> Before the end of the year
Aug 26 17:37:56 <johnx> and I think the issue is that the drivers support OpenGL ES so some minor porting is required
Aug 26 17:38:19 <GeneralAntilles> fwiw, Jason Kridner is a TI engineer.
Aug 26 17:38:46 <Khertan_n810> i want a QuadCore Intel CPU in my nit with a zpm to power it !
Aug 26 17:39:04 <GeneralAntilles> !!!!
Aug 26 17:39:05 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, according to the posting hes got a gmail account
Aug 26 17:39:08 <lcuk> not official
Aug 26 17:39:17 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, what's your point?
Aug 26 17:39:23 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just saying, he's a TI employee.
Aug 26 17:39:27 <johnx> Khertan_n810, I'd settle for a Cortex A8 + 3D powered by a radio-isotope generator :)
Aug 26 17:39:39 <lcuk> thats im being very down about ever seeing 3d on a little device
Aug 26 17:39:46 <GeneralAntilles> I want an N900 powered by lcuk on a hamster wheel. :P
Aug 26 17:39:57 <lcuk> you can get that already
Aug 26 17:40:00 <Khertan_n810> johnx: a zpm is better
Aug 26 17:40:12 <johnx> Khertan_n810, I'm just being realistic :P
Aug 26 17:40:29 <lcuk> johnx, porting opengl es to what?
Aug 26 17:40:40 <Khertan_n810> johnx: hum ... really ? 3d on 4" screen ? :)
Aug 26 17:40:45 <johnx> porting quake2 from open GL 1.x to opengl es
Aug 26 17:41:04 <johnx> Khertan_n810, talk to the pandora guys, not me :D
Aug 26 17:41:07 <Khertan_n810> yeah really the most needed thing ...
Aug 26 17:41:23 <Khertan_n810> a opengl driver just for a quake port
Aug 26 17:41:26 <Khertan_n810> haha :)
Aug 26 17:41:42 <johnx> Khertan_n810, well the pandora is meant to be a gaming machine...so yeah, 3D acceleration has a place
Aug 26 17:41:45 <GeneralAntilles> Time to hit the road
Aug 26 17:41:51 <GeneralAntilles> catch everybody later tonight.
Aug 26 17:42:08 * qwerty12_N800 will get a pandora or a n900 depending on which one gets quake 3 first :p
Aug 26 17:42:40 <Khertan_n810> johnx: when we see the pandorabox available in store we could discuss about it ...
Aug 26 17:42:42 * lcuk will settle for a device running tuxracer in hardware
Aug 26 17:42:46 <lcuk> no porting required
Aug 26 17:42:52 <Khertan_n810> but i don t think it s for a near futur
Aug 26 17:43:12 <johnx> Khertan_n810, fair enough
Aug 26 17:44:36 <Khertan_n810> hum ? how they resolv the battery problem ?
Aug 26 17:44:55 <johnx> Khertan_n810, hmm? what battery problem?
Aug 26 17:45:17 <qwerty12_N800> It runs on 20 9v batteries strapped 2 ur back
Aug 26 17:45:30 <johnx> it has a couple big li-ions I think
Aug 26 17:46:43 <lcuk> OMG lions!  quick, get in the caqr
Aug 26 17:47:16 <johnx> OMG, da lionses alreedy gat in da caqr !!!
Aug 26 17:47:18 * qwerty12_N800 drives a caqr
Aug 26 17:47:26 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Aug 26 17:47:29 <Khertan_n810> the same as the sony firestarter
Aug 26 17:47:31 <Khertan_n810> ?
Aug 26 17:47:37 <pjv> anybody here use vagalume in gnome?
Aug 26 17:47:56 <johnx> cougar + jaguar + car = caqr?
Aug 26 17:48:24 <lcuk> alternatively i could just have made a typo :P
Aug 26 17:49:07 <qwerty12_N800> o rly
Aug 26 17:49:26 <lcuk> ya rly
Aug 26 17:49:33 <qwerty12_N800> no wai!!!
Aug 26 17:50:29 <Khertan_n810> Approximately 10 hours of runtime for video / general applications and 100 hours for music playback
Aug 26 17:50:43 <Khertan_n810> this was not what they have planned a year ago
Aug 26 17:51:10 <qwerty12_N800> man the specs of the pandora are getting me sprung. it depends on how retarded nokia are with source regarding the n900 that will sway my decision on what to buy
Aug 26 17:51:38 <texel> Mm. Yeah, I saw the pandora recently. VERY tempting.
Aug 26 17:52:05 <texel> Much moreso than anything Nokia could pony up with, based upon their current strategy of browbeating the OSS folks with "it's business, therefore it's proprietery."
Aug 26 17:52:08 <Khertan_n810> it s look like a zaurus
Aug 26 17:52:09 <lcuk> i find it hard to believe nokia arent working on similar spec machines
Aug 26 17:52:28 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: i think there are
Aug 26 17:52:41 <lcuk> all the signs point towards it :)
Aug 26 17:52:42 <texel> Which is utter crap. =op
Aug 26 17:52:56 <texel> (nokia's policy)
Aug 26 17:53:02 <Khertan_n810> 140x83x27mm[4]
Aug 26 17:53:16 <Khertan_n810> ouch it s the size of  an umpc
Aug 26 17:53:31 <lcuk> i *like* the 810 form factor, i dont need something which flips open like a laptop
Aug 26 17:53:38 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: which signs ?
Aug 26 17:53:46 <qwerty12_N800> i like "CPU intensive apps/games/emus can just kill kDrive when ran, set their CPU speed, have the system to themselves and just reload kDrive on exit. " - on the n800, dsmetool will reboot if you do that, and the framebuffer is so shit, it's not even worth disabling watchdog just to do that
Aug 26 17:54:00 <Khertan_n810> i prefer the form factor of the n810 too !
Aug 26 17:54:42 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, look at the 3d stuff we got told, the ui/next gen OS spec they are aiming for (qt) etc and then look at the capabilities of the current machine
Aug 26 17:55:11 <lcuk> khertan, i draw and write on mine all the time, and have it perfectly flat with my wrist resting at same level as the screen
Aug 26 17:55:28 <lcuk> with a fold out it would be difficult to achieve and i wouldnt be able to do the same
Aug 26 17:55:42 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: qt is a regression
Aug 26 17:55:57 <texel> Mm. I recently bought a Zaurus SL-CL3200 from Japan and find that particular issue to be rather annoying.
Aug 26 17:56:01 <lcuk> not really, its a more elegent weapon for a 3d world
Aug 26 17:56:13 <texel> Thankfully it rotates around, so it's better than one that does not.
Aug 26 17:56:37 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: lol i m used it heavily too remember that if i ve made pygtkeditor is for me primary
Aug 26 17:56:49 <Khertan_n810> s/primary/mainly
Aug 26 17:57:26 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, not quite the same way i do - i DRAW on it and you cannot draw with your wrist resting on a surface and the device 1/2cm up
Aug 26 17:57:27 <lcuk> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg
Aug 26 17:57:30 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: qt 3dworld ? there is no  link
Aug 26 17:57:47 <lcuk> http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg
Aug 26 17:58:40 <Stskeeps> johnx: how was lxde btw?
Aug 26 17:58:49 <johnx> Stskeeps, works really nice
Aug 26 17:59:03 <johnx> just a simple bar on the bottom with a menu and openbox for window management
Aug 26 17:59:08 <johnx> not very configurable
Aug 26 17:59:11 <johnx> but I think that's ok
Aug 26 17:59:17 <johnx> it's *really* light
Aug 26 17:59:26 <johnx> works great on my zaurus with 64MB RAM
Aug 26 17:59:44 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Aug 26 17:59:55 <Stskeeps> so we should make a nit-env-lxde too? ;)
Aug 26 17:59:57 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, those pics are what my 810 lives in most of the time, as you can see my hand rests on level with the screen
Aug 26 18:00:00 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: this is to maintain your n810 with your neck using a rope ?
Aug 26 18:00:00 <Stskeeps> i'm working on nit-env-gnome-basic atm
Aug 26 18:00:06 <Stskeeps> i hate scrollkeeper already
Aug 26 18:00:38 <lcuk> lol heh, no - the holes are artifacts of the routing process
Aug 26 18:00:43 <lcuk> but thats a damned good idea :D
Aug 26 18:00:59 <Khertan_n810> hihi
Aug 26 18:01:45 <lcuk> i best show this one as well ;) http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1603/810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg
Aug 26 18:03:05 <Khertan_n810> ah ... now i understand what is the purpose
Aug 26 18:03:50 <lcuk> no i never use it in laptop mode :P its mainly for holding and resting on - and its perfect for lying in bed reading
Aug 26 18:03:55 <Khertan_n810> i m trying to do the same thing with a 22" monitor and a usb keyboard and mouse
Aug 26 18:04:17 <Khertan_n810> to use it at home
Aug 26 18:04:24 <lcuk> it rests on my chest and doesnt need holding heavily and i dont have the hassle of dropping it or touching the screen
Aug 26 18:04:56 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, how are you outputting the screen data - have you got a usb->vga?
Aug 26 18:05:12 <texel> Funny how you guys just griped about the size of the Pandora, yet are increasing the physical dimensions of the N810. =op
Aug 26 18:05:25 <lcuk> im not afraid of the physical size
Aug 26 18:05:29 <lcuk> i need flatness
Aug 26 18:05:31 * texel nods
Aug 26 18:05:57 <Khertan_n810> nope ... it s too expensive
Aug 26 18:05:57 <Khertan_n810> (for my wife at least)
Aug 26 18:06:10 <lcuk> i'll buy your wife
Aug 26 18:06:16 <lcuk> :D
Aug 26 18:06:28 <Khertan_n810> i ve recycled an old p2 600Mhz computer
Aug 26 18:06:36 * texel 's brain just did a triple-backflip
Aug 26 18:06:41 <lcuk> lol
Aug 26 18:06:49 <Khertan_n810> texel: if i want a netbook i bought a netbook
Aug 26 18:06:51 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 26 18:06:53 <qwerty12_N800> Khertan_n810: i binned my p3 733mhz computer :p
Aug 26 18:06:57 <texel> Heh
Aug 26 18:07:27 <Khertan_n810> so i m trying many solution
Aug 26 18:07:36 <Khertan_n810> x11vnc .... very very slow
Aug 26 18:07:39 <texel> Khertan_n810: yeah, but a netbook is about as closed as you can get, whereas a Pandora... well.. you get the idea. =o)
Aug 26 18:07:41 <lcuk> my missus has a higher spec desktop than me :( her bleeding sims 2 + super update packs every 3 bleed you dry weeks need all the horsepower it can get
Aug 26 18:08:13 <Khertan_n810> texel: a netbook closed ?
Aug 26 18:08:22 <lcuk> khertan, vnc was not slow when i tested it - optimize it on the desktop side
Aug 26 18:08:32 <texel> Khertan_n810: closed as in source.
Aug 26 18:08:36 <texel> Khertan_n810: as in specs, etc.
Aug 26 18:08:47 <texel> Khertan_n810: netbooks == only EPOC32.
Aug 26 18:08:49 <lcuk> im pretty certain a screwdriver can cure that
Aug 26 18:08:50 <Khertan_n810> texel: pandora hardware is open source ?
Aug 26 18:09:00 <texel> Khertan_n810: AFAICT, yes.
Aug 26 18:09:07 <Khertan_n810> i dont think that ti open the source of their cpuj
Aug 26 18:09:08 <texel> That was the idea from the start, IIRC.
Aug 26 18:09:13 <Khertan_n810> s/cpuj/cpu
Aug 26 18:09:15 <lcuk> i REALLY want an arm desktop
Aug 26 18:09:55 <johnx> lcuk, well the beagleboard is a good start
Aug 26 18:09:55 <texel> Khertan_n810: maybe not the schematics for the CPU, no, but the CPU is well documented and the specs are available for free for the one they're using, IIRC.
Aug 26 18:09:59 <johnx> or find a netwinder :)
Aug 26 18:10:02 <lcuk> i do native compilation already on my 810, but its slower than i want (at least to do c++ or other languages)
Aug 26 18:10:20 <johnx> texel, I believe the schematics aren't open, but documentation on what pins do what is
Aug 26 18:10:29 <Khertan_n810> texel: specs of a ti cpu available freely ? are u sure ?
Aug 26 18:10:36 <lcuk> johnx, agreed, but its not exactly plug and play - i want a complete oob experience
Aug 26 18:10:55 <johnx> lcuk, you plug it in to power and the other end in to DVI...
Aug 26 18:10:57 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, the omap3 apparantly has more docs available than any other
Aug 26 18:11:11 <texel> johnx: hm. That would be too bad. I was under the apparent misunderstanding that it was as open as possible.
Aug 26 18:11:11 <Khertan_n810> oh ! great thing
Aug 26 18:11:12 <johnx> lcuk, and you're already great at making wooden cases...so
Aug 26 18:11:15 <lcuk> and what OS/drives/installation do you need?
Aug 26 18:11:32 <johnx> lcuk, there's an angstrom image for it currently
Aug 26 18:11:39 <lcuk> for it, or on it?
Aug 26 18:11:44 <johnx> lcuk, debian would be easy
Aug 26 18:11:52 <johnx> lcuk, aaah, I see what you're getting at
Aug 26 18:12:04 <Khertan_n810> hum .... ... .. i hope n900 will get vga out
Aug 26 18:12:05 <lcuk> no, thats not easy - remember i dont actually know linux yet
Aug 26 18:12:27 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: easy as a n810
Aug 26 18:12:29 <texel> VGA out on any device Nokia produces is doubtful in my mind.
Aug 26 18:12:29 <johnx> lcuk, send me one and I promise to make you a nice FS image you can just unzip onto a SD card :)
Aug 26 18:12:45 <texel> debootstrap to the rescue! =o)
Aug 26 18:13:08 <lcuk> :) johnx, i would love to say sure, and i dont doubt you would.  money is an issue though
Aug 26 18:13:17 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: good plan, zip, not tar + bz2 for the n00bs :p
Aug 26 18:13:42 <manyoso> is there any special hook or signal that maemo/linux kernel will give an app if an allocation fails on out-of-memory error?
Aug 26 18:13:44 <lcuk> zip?
Aug 26 18:13:48 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, what do you think the z in bz2 is for? :P
Aug 26 18:13:52 <texel> Hm. Does the zip format contain support for POSIX filesystem permissions? O.o
Aug 26 18:14:02 <lcuk> my dad says i need it as exemacutable
Aug 26 18:14:16 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: but then you would bunzip, not unzip :p
Aug 26 18:14:30 * johnx rolls his eyes
Aug 26 18:14:38 <johnx> bunch a purists...
Aug 26 18:14:56 <lcuk> "hai, please send me self egstrkting file to get vista on my nokia n810 phone"
Aug 26 18:15:26 <lcuk> my meail address is qwerty12@gmail :P
Aug 26 18:16:20 <qwerty12_N800> not quite :p
Aug 26 18:17:23 <str8edge> does anyone have packages for the pimlico apps?
Aug 26 18:17:52 <moontiger> str8edge, they are on their website
Aug 26 18:17:56 <str8edge> for diablo?
Aug 26 18:18:07 <johnx> chinook packages will work
Aug 26 18:18:21 <str8edge> johnx: how do I install them?
Aug 26 18:18:40 <lcuk> the same way you install any other .deb?
Aug 26 18:19:03 <johnx> what problem are you having? I haven't tried installing those packages specifically in diablo but they should be fine
Aug 26 18:19:03 <qwerty12_N800> how iz dat!?!!!!!!
Aug 26 18:19:16 <moontiger> they arent as good as they actually look imo and i uninstalled them by ymmv
Aug 26 18:19:16 <str8edge> k i'll try.
Aug 26 18:19:20 <moontiger> :)
Aug 26 18:19:21 <texel> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
Aug 26 18:19:35 <moontiger> by = but
Aug 26 18:19:40 * lcuk just clicks on pacage in file manager
Aug 26 18:19:57 <texel> Heh -- sorry. I'm a sysadmin by trade. =op
Aug 26 18:19:57 <lcuk> it works with packages as well
Aug 26 18:20:09 <texel> CLIs are in my blood. =o)
Aug 26 18:20:43 <str8edge> i'm very familiar with Linux.. RHCT, been using debian since '97. just new to the n810
Aug 26 18:20:54 <lcuk> im a developer - coding and functions arei n my blood, but i still hate the command line
Aug 26 18:21:13 <texel> RHCT?
Aug 26 18:21:14 <moontiger> thats cos windows is sill in you lcu ;)
Aug 26 18:21:14 <johnx> where was that thread for posting pics of places you've used your NIT?
Aug 26 18:21:18 * lcuk also has lots of typo cells in his bloodstream
Aug 26 18:21:18 <mgedmin> repeat after me: "the command line is a developer's best friend"
Aug 26 18:21:21 <mgedmin> hi, lcuk
Aug 26 18:21:29 <texel> Hehehe =o)
Aug 26 18:21:37 <lcuk> hi mgedmin :)
Aug 26 18:21:42 <johnx> ...cause I have a great one to add: http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/2800651680/
Aug 26 18:21:49 <CptLaptop> abiword is a peculiar word for an app that doesnt read .doc
Aug 26 18:21:58 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/nit-env-gnome-basic.png <- neat
Aug 26 18:22:13 <johnx> CptLaptop, did you install the .doc plugin?
Aug 26 18:22:15 <qwerty12_N800> one more x and i wouldn't be allowed to look!
Aug 26 18:22:27 <lcuk> Stskeeps, :) thats nice
Aug 26 18:22:29 * CptLaptop prentends not to be stupid, epically fails
Aug 26 18:22:32 <CptLaptop> thanks johnx
Aug 26 18:22:34 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, some places have a 6 character minimum username :/
Aug 26 18:22:37 <str8edge> added the chinook repo.
Aug 26 18:22:38 * CptLaptop goes to look for said plugin
Aug 26 18:22:48 <johnx> CptLaptop, it might not exist for the tablets yet :)
Aug 26 18:22:55 <CptLaptop> :(
Aug 26 18:22:58 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: :)
Aug 26 18:23:12 <lcuk> johnx :O you used your n800 on the surface of mars :O
Aug 26 18:23:15 <CptLaptop> i had hope for 4 seconds
Aug 26 18:23:28 <johnx> CptLaptop, just hold out for a bit then
Aug 26 18:23:40 <CptLaptop> you cimpiling atm? :p
Aug 26 18:23:57 <johnx> nope. you could though :P
Aug 26 18:24:05 <johnx> or install one of the many tools to convert .docs into something reasonable
Aug 26 18:24:12 <johnx> or use google docs to convert it
Aug 26 18:24:13 <CptLaptop> like?
Aug 26 18:24:20 <CptLaptop> google docs is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
Aug 26 18:24:21 <lcuk> .doc is a reasonable format now isnt it
Aug 26 18:24:21 <johnx> antiword comes to mind, IIRC
Aug 26 18:24:23 <lcuk> its openish?
Aug 26 18:24:45 <qwerty12_N800> antiword is packaged for maemo with a gui
Aug 26 18:24:50 <lcuk> oh sorry, im thinking of .txt ;)
Aug 26 18:24:51 <johnx> lcuk, yeah, a 38KB binary file to contain the word "hello" unformatted sounds pretty reasonable...
Aug 26 18:25:15 <CptLaptop> rofl
Aug 26 18:25:31 <lcuk> johnx, as long as the ratio goes down and its not 8kb per character im ok
Aug 26 18:25:35 <CptLaptop> iKB is the text, 37 is setting for the tiny annoying paperclip
Aug 26 18:25:42 <str8edge> Thanks.. I didn't realize I could use the chinook repo.. dates, contacts and tasks are installed!
Aug 26 18:26:17 <lcuk> str8edge, dont tell anyone else about that though
Aug 26 18:26:42 <str8edge> lcuk: hehe, why not? ;-0
Aug 26 18:27:20 <lcuk> cos then the secret will be out
Aug 26 18:27:50 <lcuk> now, ive ogt some hacking to be done
Aug 26 18:27:59 <lcuk> back later after i fix liqbase :S
Aug 26 18:28:51 <CptLaptop> people on ITT keep saYING abiword does doc :/
Aug 26 18:29:38 <johnx> CptLaptop, it does on the desktop. it should real soon now on the tablets
Aug 26 18:29:44 <johnx> it's just a matter of packaging
Aug 26 18:30:50 <CptLaptop> yeah i know johnx, problem is the itt people seems to use doc on tablets
Aug 26 18:31:11 <johnx> well either they use antiword or don't know what they're talking about
Aug 26 18:31:28 <johnx> I just launder my .docs through gmail's convert when I need to
Aug 26 18:31:51 <CptLaptop> antiword isnt in any repo i see
Aug 26 18:33:12 <qwerty12_N800> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/docreader/
Aug 26 18:33:16 <Stskeeps> that's funny, matchbox-keyboard isn't completely anal in GNOME
Aug 26 18:38:17 <Xamusk> is there any GUI toolkit that runs both in maemo and in PocketPCs or Palm?
Aug 26 18:38:33 <CptLaptop> wooooo docreader works :D
Aug 26 18:38:45 * CptLaptop runs in circles making a happyface¨
Aug 26 18:38:55 <CptLaptop> thanks @ random ppl
Aug 26 18:39:03 <johnx> good deal CptLaptop
Aug 26 18:39:13 <johnx> now tell people to stop spamming you with .docs :)
Aug 26 18:39:29 <CptLaptop> i only need to view them not edit.. fucking classfronter, college, and docs
Aug 26 18:40:17 <Xamusk> ha, I have even more trouble with .ppt
Aug 26 18:40:29 <manyoso> woe, someone took down qt4.garage.maemo.org
Aug 26 18:40:30 <CptLaptop> i just ignore ppt
Aug 26 18:40:31 <johnx> yeah, I was almost screwed the other day except that my phone had a built in .doc viewer
Aug 26 18:40:36 <Xamusk> though usually only .doc stuff is not useless
Aug 26 18:40:52 <CptLaptop> yeah i have "office" on my cell too but small screen
Aug 26 18:41:18 <Xamusk> yesterday I opened up a .doc in OO.o and everything was broken (document full of math stuff)
Aug 26 18:41:22 <johnx> Seriously, who keeps maps in .doc format
Aug 26 18:41:27 * johnx stabs out wildly
Aug 26 18:41:31 <moontiger> CptLaptop, i have that too and even tho it sounds useful its actually useless
Aug 26 18:41:54 <Xamusk> johnx, the same type of people that puts walkthrough instructions with pictures in Excel
Aug 26 18:42:05 * moontiger gasps
Aug 26 18:42:07 <usicow> how do I uninstall the sdk scratchbox?
Aug 26 18:42:10 <moontiger> they do that?
Aug 26 18:42:14 <johnx> I have picsel viewer on my cell phone and it worked really fast and pretty much flawlessly
Aug 26 18:42:20 <Xamusk> moontiger, yes, unfortunately
Aug 26 18:43:02 <moontiger> johnx what fone you have?
Aug 26 18:43:09 <Xamusk> it was like a manual... and the darn thing had a lot of MS-Excel-only stuff, like those comic-like boxes
Aug 26 18:43:13 <qwerty12_N800> a samsung i guess
Aug 26 18:43:22 <johnx> Sony Ericson W51S
Aug 26 18:43:44 <moontiger> is it a wm device?
Aug 26 18:43:48 <johnx> nope
Aug 26 18:43:54 <moontiger> and still picsel?
Aug 26 18:43:55 <johnx> it's a "dumb phone" with a ton of features
Aug 26 18:43:58 <qwerty12_N800> bastards, se don't put picsel on their european/american phones :D
Aug 26 18:44:19 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, heh. I have gps with a nice maps program too. OTA vector downloads and everything
Aug 26 18:44:32 <CptLaptop> i got an E51 with quickoffice...does thejob when i need it to
Aug 26 18:44:32 <johnx> I have "local search" ... if I could figure out how to use it. HA
Aug 26 18:44:44 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: I hate you :p.
Aug 26 18:44:48 <moontiger> <--- has a blackjack with wm6
Aug 26 18:45:08 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, this phone is pretty darn ugly though...
Aug 26 18:45:25 <johnx> I'm really looking forward to the Android phones
Aug 26 18:45:34 <moontiger> but they're all java
Aug 26 18:45:44 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: features over looks for me :).i really like se's docomo phones
Aug 26 18:45:55 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, this is AU KDDI
Aug 26 18:46:46 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: I like their docomo phones :p. symbian foma is better than that uiq crap they put out here...
Aug 26 18:47:40 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, I honestly don't know what OS mine has. I wouldn't be surprised if it was proprietary...
Aug 26 18:48:09 <CptLaptop> s60 ftw
Aug 26 18:48:27 <CptLaptop> if only the active desktop was open
Aug 26 18:48:42 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, it reminds me of US "dumb-phones" more than symbian or winmo or palm
Aug 26 18:49:29 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: not sure about au kddi, but their european non smartphones are enea ose, and their european smart phones are symbian uiq and docomo phones are symbian foma
Aug 26 18:50:23 <johnx> I'd bet enea ose then
Aug 26 18:50:54 <johnx> it's really pretty basic and all the apps seem to be java
Aug 26 18:51:11 <qwerty12_N800> probably is
Aug 26 18:51:25 <johnx> so you don't have to be too jealous :P
Aug 26 18:51:35 <qwerty12_N800> my enea ose w810 is patched to run elves :>
Aug 26 18:52:34 <johnx> here's a pic of it if you're interested: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/sony-ericsson-w51s-brings-style-back-to-the-clamshell-233557.php
Aug 26 18:52:52 <johnx> boxy seemed to be the style last year
Aug 26 18:53:24 <qwerty12_N800> ooh, nice
Aug 26 18:53:47 <Xamusk> talking about winmo and stuff, is there any GUI toolkit that runs both in maemo and in PocketPC or Palm?
Aug 26 18:54:01 <johnx> Xamusk, I'd be really surprised if there was
Aug 26 18:54:05 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: i bet you bought the pink one :p
Aug 26 18:54:11 <Xamusk> maybe Tkinter?
Aug 26 18:54:17 <jott> Xamusk: Qt runs on maemo and pocketpc not on palm though.
Aug 26 18:54:32 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, nah, it was out of stock. :( had to go with black :P
Aug 26 18:54:38 <CptLaptop> 2.7" o_0
Aug 26 18:54:43 <qwerty12_N800> lol johnx
Aug 26 18:54:48 <Xamusk> jott, thanks, I don't really need both PocketPC and Palm, just one or the other
Aug 26 18:55:11 <Xamusk> more like Maemo and (PocketPC or Palm)
Aug 26 18:55:44 <Xamusk> unfortunately, I never saw anything about existing PyQT for neither maemo nor pocket
Aug 26 18:56:30 <jott> Xamusk: i doubt pocketpc will see a pyqt. under maemo it should run with a little effort.
Aug 26 18:56:41 <Xamusk> too bad
Aug 26 18:56:45 <Xamusk> I suck at C/C++
Aug 26 18:58:55 <tank-man> theres a palmos vm
Aug 26 19:04:11 <Xamusk> unfortunately, PalmOS GUIs are the ones which suck more than the others
Aug 26 19:04:32 <Xamusk> including that memory resources limitation thing
Aug 26 19:05:30 <moontiger> does anyone have any experience with a nokia n78
Aug 26 19:06:07 <konttori> Xamusk: I've had pyqt on maemo
Aug 26 19:06:27 <konttori> you should as the qt guys to build it along with the qt packages
Aug 26 19:06:43 <konttori> Runs really quite well.
Aug 26 19:07:22 <Xamusk> konttori, how did you do it?
Aug 26 19:07:24 <jott> konttori: problem is, that there is no pyqt for wince/pocketpc
Aug 26 19:07:36 <konttori> so, who cares about wince ;)
Aug 26 19:07:45 <jott> Xamusk seems to care :)
Aug 26 19:07:51 <konttori> Xamusk: I received the packages from someone who had made already them
Aug 26 19:07:56 <Xamusk> oh
Aug 26 19:07:59 <konttori> can't remember who
Aug 26 19:08:30 <jott> shouldn't be too hard.
Aug 26 19:08:37 <jott> you probably just have to get sip running.
Aug 26 19:08:42 <konttori> But, anyway, riverbanks computing has all the tools to do it easily
Aug 26 19:08:44 <Xamusk> the problem is that I have a maemo, but my teacher wants my app to run on either and iPaq or in a LifeDrive
Aug 26 19:09:15 <Xamusk> and I'm more used to PyGTK
Aug 26 19:09:31 <konttori> well, pyqt is really easy to work with
Aug 26 19:10:17 <jott> Xamusk: install linux on the ipaq :P
Aug 26 19:10:57 <Xamusk> jott, I probably could, though that would probably cause me more trouble than I already have
Aug 26 19:11:08 <jott> hehe maybe ;)
Aug 26 19:11:16 <konttori> make the app with java?
Aug 26 19:11:31 <Xamusk> since, last time I checked, Linux on PDAs not designed for it sucked a lot, if it didn't brick the device
Aug 26 19:11:59 <Xamusk> huh, if it's hard to learn a new GUI toolkit, imagine a new language
Aug 26 19:12:17 <Xamusk> hehehehe, maybe I could give Jython a try :)
Aug 26 19:12:28 <jott> hm swt seems to run on pocketpc
Aug 26 19:12:38 <jott> (as for the java route :)
Aug 26 19:14:00 <flo_lap> re
Aug 26 19:14:36 <jott> hello flo_lap
Aug 26 19:17:14 <Xamusk> gotta go, thanks
Aug 26 19:21:15 <Xamusk> I saw some reports that wxPython "may" work on both, though I have to investigate
Aug 26 20:52:32 <lbt> kolab -- aaargh!
Aug 26 20:55:52 <moontiger_> ?
Aug 26 20:58:54 <lbt> I want a groupware server for the home
Aug 26 20:59:47 <moontiger> ahhhhh
Aug 26 21:00:34 <lbt> just so I can have an ldap based address book that I can then sync to various devices, laptops, desktops, pdas, phones, car stereos, pictureframes, hifis....
Aug 26 21:00:42 <lbt> anything that runs linux
Aug 26 21:00:47 <moontiger> but but but ... microsoft has those doesnt it? :rollseyes:
Aug 26 21:01:02 <lbt> really, let me see...
Aug 26 21:01:27 <moontiger> that sounds like a really cool project actually
Aug 26 21:01:34 <moontiger> a networked address book
Aug 26 21:07:04 <lbt> with cache so it works offline
Aug 26 21:07:10 <lbt> slapd on the nit?
Aug 26 21:07:12 <lbt> hmmm
Aug 26 21:07:21 <lbt> replicated slapd - yep
Aug 26 21:07:59 <lbt> I've managed to get Xen up so I have a load of virtual machines
Aug 26 21:08:08 <lbt> each with a different groupware server
Aug 26 21:08:18 <lbt> egroupware, citadel, kolab
Aug 26 21:08:35 <lbt> egroupware is kinda nice but a bit abandonded
Aug 26 21:08:43 <lbt> kolab is a bit 'different'
Aug 26 21:08:54 <lbt> they use openpkg
Aug 26 21:09:09 <lbt> but it looks like kde support it
Aug 26 21:09:16 <lbt> and since we're getting Qt4
Aug 26 21:09:23 <lbt> then I'm thinking kaddressbook
Aug 26 21:09:28 <lbt> and kde-pim
Aug 26 21:10:48 <lbt> oh, how did shopper work out?
Aug 26 21:13:16 <moontiger> im teaching yesterday and today ... when i finish i can have a proper play around and get back to you ... tomorrow prolly
Aug 26 21:13:24 <moontiger> it installed and seemed to run fine
Aug 26 21:13:26 <moontiger> :)
Aug 26 21:14:45 <lbt> that's a start... :)
Aug 26 21:19:58 <ryoohki> is the wimax edition out yet anywhere?
Aug 26 21:21:36 <Alystair> Hi all, quick question about developing on the Nokia 770
Aug 26 21:22:05 <Alystair> what are my options realistically, what kinds of languages can be used?
Aug 26 21:22:27 <Alystair> Eg. standard web apps, flash, flash applications, normal executables
Aug 26 21:24:51 <MangoFusion> you could make a web app. though beware as mobile browsers tend to be much slower than their desktop counterparts
Aug 26 21:25:08 <Alystair> what language are normal applications for the device made in normally?
Aug 26 21:25:32 <Alystair> I'd like to make a POS system for restaurants since the 770 is really cheap these days
Aug 26 21:27:51 <pvandewyngaerde> can i put the browser fullscreen?
Aug 26 21:28:41 <moontiger> Alystair, python is good and quick and pretty easy
Aug 26 21:28:43 <jott> Alystair: c/c++/python
Aug 26 21:28:47 <moontiger> or of course c / c++
Aug 26 21:28:56 <jott> pvandewyngaerde: press the fullscreen button?! :)
Aug 26 21:29:03 <moontiger> either way you will use either gtk or (very recently) qt
Aug 26 21:29:08 <Alystair> bah more languages for me to learn :)
Aug 26 21:29:15 <moontiger> python is fun
Aug 26 21:29:21 <moontiger> c / c++ is... sublime
Aug 26 21:29:32 <Alystair> it's what real coders use ;)
Aug 26 21:29:37 <pvandewyngaerde> found it, disable the bar in fullscreen
Aug 26 21:30:04 <moontiger> naaaaaaaaa real coders use the wind ripples of a butterfly wing in japan to alter the bits on a magnetic....
Aug 26 21:30:45 <ryoohki> any news on when the wimax edition will be out?
Aug 26 21:30:56 <Alystair> moontiger: oh yeah there's an extension for emacs for that ;
Aug 26 21:31:13 <Alystair> you're not the only one whom enjoys that comic :)
Aug 26 21:31:15 <jott> hehe the whole life seems to be an xkcd refernce sometimes :P
Aug 26 21:31:21 <moontiger> http://xkcd.com/378/
Aug 26 21:31:25 <moontiger> love that
Aug 26 21:31:25 <moontiger> :)
Aug 26 21:31:32 <moontiger> hahaha
Aug 26 21:33:41 <hellwolf> I want to use flasher to load my home-brew kernel but without flash it, for debugging purpose, is it like this:" ./flasher-3.0 -l -k kernel.img -b"
Aug 26 21:35:14 <jott> hellwolf: yes. looks ok.
Aug 26 21:35:47 <hellwolf> jott, what if I want to use non-linux kernel. How should I create that kind of kernel.
Aug 26 21:36:18 <moontiger> jott... if i put another os on my n810 (like the xfce stuff available) can i put that on mt mmc1 (external) card?
Aug 26 21:36:39 <moontiger> mt = my
Aug 26 21:36:40 <hellwolf> For example, I want a small program only glitter the LED
Aug 26 21:37:13 <jott> moontiger: yes, you can put it on an external card.
Aug 26 21:37:27 <moontiger> nice :)
Aug 26 21:37:38 <jott> hellwolf: why do you want to use a non-linux kernel for this?
Aug 26 21:38:46 <hellwolf> jott, huh.. I want something cool :|
Aug 26 21:39:33 <yacoob> deep freeze your tablet? :)
Aug 26 21:40:06 <hellwolf> just for fun
Aug 26 21:41:27 <Alystair> hrm is the 800 worth an extra $80 over the 770?
Aug 26 21:41:37 <jott> Alystair: yes.
Aug 26 21:41:42 <mgedmin> Alystair: absoliutely
Aug 26 21:41:43 <LinuxCode> yes def
Aug 26 21:41:57 <LinuxCode> os2008 wont even run on the 770 or ?
Aug 26 21:42:08 <jott> otoh a 770 is more robust i would say.
Aug 26 21:42:23 <LinuxCode> robust how ?
Aug 26 21:42:25 <jott> (if you use it for resturants it might drop on the ground from time to time)
Aug 26 21:42:34 <LinuxCode> ahh  plastic case
Aug 26 21:42:58 <LinuxCode> dont they make neoprene sleeves yet ?
Aug 26 21:43:06 <LinuxCode> I bet some chinese guy came up with that
Aug 26 21:43:11 <Alystair> ah yeah I meant for personal use though :)
Aug 26 21:43:22 <Alystair> I would only consider the 770 in the restaurant
Aug 26 21:43:23 <jott> Alystair: then n800 no question.
Aug 26 21:43:28 <Alystair> alright
Aug 26 21:43:58 <krutt> is the 810 ok for 250 euro?
Aug 26 21:44:44 <LinuxCode> sounds like a good price
Aug 26 21:44:59 <LinuxCode> if its brand new
Aug 26 21:45:04 <krutt> yes it is
Aug 26 21:45:40 <jott> krutt: 250 for a new is very good.
Aug 26 21:45:51 <krutt> sweer
Aug 26 21:45:58 <LinuxCode> chpeast Uk price I can find atm is £235
Aug 26 21:45:59 <krutt> *t
Aug 26 21:46:20 <jott> it costs 350eur at nokia.de and amazon.de
Aug 26 21:46:29 <krutt> hr
Aug 26 21:46:33 <krutt> its mine
Aug 26 21:46:37 <Alystair> robbery!
Aug 26 21:46:43 <krutt> no :P
Aug 26 21:46:52 <krutt> connection :P
Aug 26 21:47:27 <jott> fell off the back of a lorry, eh? :)
Aug 26 21:48:41 <krutt> lol, erm.. something like that
Aug 26 21:51:04 <krutt> my sister bought it, dont know the price, i told her, "that is not a phone"
Aug 26 21:51:10 <krutt> thats all ;)
Aug 26 21:51:38 <krutt> so i payed 250 for it
Aug 26 21:52:03 <jott> ah the good old "trick one with a nokia label" trick :P
Aug 26 21:52:18 <patoh> krutt: everywhere I have seen it advertised it says 'not a phone' :P
Aug 26 21:52:18 <krutt> ;)
Aug 26 21:52:24 <Binky> Hi everybody
Aug 26 21:52:31 <patoh> yet every day someone asks me what model my phone is :(
Aug 26 21:52:37 <andre___> "nokia? they produce not only phones?" :-P
Aug 26 21:52:48 <andre___> i hear that all the time :)
Aug 26 21:53:12 <patoh> andre___: hey, they also produce overpriced accessories!
Aug 26 21:53:13 <krutt> funny things that make some of us happy ;)
Aug 26 21:53:18 <krutt> <--!
Aug 26 21:54:03 <andre___> right, i need that cute pink bag to protect my n810 ;-)
Aug 26 21:54:38 <krutt> mh, when does the 910 appear?
Aug 26 21:54:56 <Binky> somewhere in future
Aug 26 21:55:03 * Binky feels esoteric
Aug 26 21:55:13 <krutt> but its planed?
Aug 26 21:55:43 <lbt> and chamfered
Aug 26 21:55:46 <Binky> I don't know. Maybe it's released with Freemantle and Qt support
Aug 26 21:55:52 <krutt> i thoght nokia comes out with 5 of those tablets
Aug 26 21:56:07 <Binky> 5 goals do not mean 5 tablets
Aug 26 21:56:22 <Binky> and we don't know if the N810 WiMax is one of them
Aug 26 21:56:51 <krutt> mh, wimax? never heared of
Aug 26 21:57:50 <Binky> krutt, seriously?
Aug 26 21:58:07 <Binky> Nokia N810 Internet Tablet WiMax Edition
Aug 26 21:58:14 <Binky> N810 WiMax for friends
Aug 26 21:58:38 <Alystair> N810 WiMax Useless Edition ;)
Aug 26 21:59:09 <Binky> Amen.
Aug 26 22:00:33 <sxpert> Binky, still wondering wtf they did that useless wimax thing
Aug 26 22:01:28 <lbt> OK, I take it back - Kolab was fairly easy to setup
Aug 26 22:02:08 <krutt> Binky: yes, but now i do ;)
Aug 26 22:02:31 <krutt> but the black design is nice
Aug 26 22:02:35 <sxpert> I'd rather have had a 802.11 a/b/g/n device
Aug 26 22:03:13 <sxpert> and a better GPS
Aug 26 22:03:50 <krutt> yea, but its black!
Aug 26 22:03:57 <krutt> black, wow wow
Aug 26 22:04:11 <krutt> its an evil black tablet wow
Aug 26 22:04:36 <wiza> in diablo the gps is actually good
Aug 26 22:04:44 <sxpert> wiza, hmm?
Aug 26 22:04:56 <wiza> I get a lock in few seconds and it never even had problems with keeping the lock
Aug 26 22:05:04 <krutt> szrem u read about this upgrade
Aug 26 22:05:06 <wiza> a-gps stuff
Aug 26 22:05:12 <sxpert> ah. guess I'd need to upgrade or something
Aug 26 22:05:18 <krutt> *i
Aug 26 22:07:01 <mavhc> still takes minutes here, sometimes 10 or so
Aug 26 22:08:26 <sxpert> hmm. of course, I'd have to find where the ** I put the bloody USB cable at
Aug 26 22:10:23 <sxpert> gah, I whish there was a way to flash from the sd card or somethign
Aug 26 22:11:31 <sxpert> and wiki ist kaputt
Aug 26 22:22:17 <andre___> sxpert, wiki works here
Aug 26 22:22:20 <andre___> https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS
Aug 26 22:23:19 <GeneralAntilles> Hurricane hit worse where I wasn't than where I was. . . .
Aug 26 23:01:57 <sxpert> hah. upgrade done. reinstalling apps ;)
Aug 26 23:06:00 <m-c-> Any idea why typing with a bluetooth keyboard within Gmail causes text entry to be really really slow?
Aug 26 23:08:05 <GeneralAntilles> gmail webmail?
Aug 26 23:08:49 <m-c-> Yes, thanks
Aug 26 23:09:04 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, probably some js stuff
Aug 26 23:09:12 <GeneralAntilles> Try it with the HTML-only versionZ
Aug 26 23:09:14 <GeneralAntilles> ?
Aug 26 23:09:22 <GeneralAntilles> It lags on my old G4 tower, too, fwiw.
Aug 26 23:09:29 <m-c-> The web interface where you type the message.  It takes only 1 character a second
Aug 26 23:09:36 <m-c-> I will try it, G.A.
Aug 26 23:09:59 <GeneralAntilles> Alternative option, have you tried Modest?
Aug 26 23:12:15 <m-c-> Yes, that fixes it.  Thanks!
Aug 26 23:12:29 <NeoStrider_> hello there
Aug 26 23:12:43 <m-c-> Hi
Aug 26 23:15:19 <NeoStrider_> m-c-: whats going on?
Aug 26 23:18:30 <rm_you> anyone know if Pandora is workable?
Aug 26 23:18:41 <rm_you> Pandora the music service, not Pandora the dev platform :P
Aug 26 23:18:45 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Aug 26 23:18:50 <GeneralAntilles> Not on the tablets, I don't think
Aug 26 23:18:52 <GeneralAntilles> I dunno, though
Aug 26 23:18:53 <rm_you> :(
Aug 26 23:18:55 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, it may be.
Aug 26 23:18:56 <GeneralAntilles> Try it.
Aug 26 23:18:59 <GeneralAntilles> last.fm is cooler though
Aug 26 23:19:03 <rm_you> friend says it is like
Aug 26 23:19:05 <rm_you> slow
Aug 26 23:19:43 <GeneralAntilles> Vagalume
Aug 26 23:19:44 <GeneralAntilles> Canola
Aug 26 23:19:54 <rm_you> hrm
Aug 26 23:22:10 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, I'm poking you about the 770 bug again.
Aug 26 23:22:21 <rm_you> ?
Aug 26 23:22:23 <rm_you> oh
Aug 26 23:22:25 <rm_you> the rotate>
Aug 26 23:22:35 <GeneralAntilles> It's enabled all the time.
Aug 26 23:22:38 <rm_you> hrm
Aug 26 23:22:45 <rm_you> let me check the code now
Aug 26 23:22:55 <GeneralAntilles> Which causes trouble, as I don't think there's up-to-date rotation support for the 770. ;)
Aug 26 23:23:02 <rm_you> truth
Aug 26 23:23:09 <GeneralAntilles> I would probably just disable it on the 770 no matter what
Aug 26 23:23:14 <rm_you> sad i never found time to finish putting together the "rotation-support" package
Aug 26 23:23:27 <GeneralAntilles> Also, can you add a manual override to turn the rotation selector off if support is installed?
Aug 26 23:23:36 <rm_you> in options, sure
Aug 26 23:23:49 <GeneralAntilles> If Nokia decides to ship an enabled kernel and xserver, then some people may want to disable it.
Aug 26 23:24:06 <rm_you> chances of them doing that?
Aug 26 23:24:08 <rm_you> >_>
Aug 26 23:24:11 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, who knows.
Aug 26 23:24:14 <GeneralAntilles> They do ship xrandr
Aug 26 23:24:35 <GeneralAntilles> The direction they're moving, higher than, say, a year ago. ;)
Aug 26 23:24:38 <jott> i would say pretty low. no real benefit on their side :/
Aug 26 23:24:40 <GeneralAntilles> But no telling, really.
Aug 26 23:25:07 <GeneralAntilles> Poke David Stone at the Summit about it. ;)
Aug 26 23:25:43 <m-c-> How do you think the NIT 333 MHz ARM processor compares to a 300 MHz x86 processor from 10 years ago?
Aug 26 23:26:38 <rm_you> wait, does 770 SHIP with xrandr enabled kernel/xserver?!
Aug 26 23:26:47 <rm_you> like, not really functional, but ENABLED?
Aug 26 23:28:00 <m-c-> I just installed Damn Small Linux on a 300 MHz system and I have been really surprised how much better the performance, of the NIT, is compared to that old computer.
Aug 26 23:30:22 <GAN800> It doesn't
Aug 26 23:30:31 <GAN800> rotation doesn't work
Aug 26 23:30:45 <sin18> does anyone know when lib4xpm will be ready for diablo (need that package for virtual keyboard - dosbox) on n800 ?
Aug 26 23:30:51 <jott> http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/7-xrandr-on-nokia-770.html
Aug 26 23:30:52 <jott> hmm
Aug 26 23:31:56 <GeneralAntilles> m-c-, the tablets run at 400MHz
Aug 26 23:32:17 <GeneralAntilles> Woo OS2005
Aug 26 23:32:21 <GeneralAntilles> (OS2005 was teh suck)
Aug 26 23:32:32 <jott> sound like it could work if we just mode=OMAPFB_AUTO_UPDATE; ioctl(fb, OMAPFB_SET_UPDATE_MODE, &mode);
Aug 26 23:33:12 <jott> or what happens when rotating? :)
Aug 26 23:33:21 <GeneralAntilles> Now?
Aug 26 23:33:25 <jott> yes
Aug 26 23:33:28 <GeneralAntilles> Not much good
Aug 26 23:33:31 <GeneralAntilles> You can rotate
Aug 26 23:33:33 <GeneralAntilles> but you can't get back
Aug 26 23:33:38 <jott> why?
Aug 26 23:33:41 <GeneralAntilles> Screen is mostly garbage
Aug 26 23:33:45 <m-c-> GeneralAntilles: I was also thinking the hard drive from 10 years ago is a lot slower than the Media the NIT uses
Aug 26 23:33:51 <jott> i mean, could it work with automatic update enabled?
Aug 26 23:36:37 <m-c-> I have noticed audio streams - like listening to a radio station online -will take a couple minutes to start playing.
Aug 26 23:39:45 <m-c-> Anyhow, playing around with a desktop computer running a processor in the <500MHz speed really makes me appreciate what the NIT is capable of doing, especially since it is 1/100th the size of the desktop.
Aug 26 23:43:43 * GeneralAntilles begins checking the UPS tracking once an hour for the Beagle.
Aug 26 23:43:55 <jott> GeneralAntilles: could you try this on a 770? http://outpo.st/advanced-backlight_0.14-4_armel.deb
Aug 26 23:45:06 <jott> or anyone else with a 770 and check if rotation works with it. just a try :)
Aug 26 23:46:56 <GeneralAntilles> Installing. . . .
Aug 26 23:47:43 <GeneralAntilles> jott, 770 isn't up to Diablo
Aug 26 23:48:04 <GeneralAntilles> libglib, libhildondestop0, libhildonwm0, libosso1
Aug 26 23:48:34 <GeneralAntilles> 2.12.12-1osso, 1:2.0.18-1, 1:2.0.18-1, 2.16 respectively
Aug 26 23:49:15 <jott> ugh, right
Aug 26 23:49:25 <n800n> burrrrrrrn!
Aug 26 23:49:39 <elekt> ;(
Aug 26 23:54:23 <jott> GeneralAntilles: same location. http://outpo.st/advanced-backlight_0.14-4_armel.deb
Aug 26 23:54:39 <jott> build with chinook, this should hopefully be installable.
Aug 27 00:00:16 <GeneralAntilles> Installing
Aug 27 00:03:21 <GeneralAntilles> Wow
Aug 27 00:03:23 <GeneralAntilles> Weird widgets
Aug 27 00:03:27 <crashanddie> Who builds advanced backlight ?
Aug 27 00:03:39 <jott> the autobuilder usually :P
Aug 27 00:03:47 <crashanddie> why "usually" ?
Aug 27 00:04:03 <GeneralAntilles> Huh
Aug 27 00:04:04 <jott> because pre-releases are sometimes build manually :)
Aug 27 00:04:09 <crashanddie> oooh, ok :)
Aug 27 00:04:11 <crashanddie> I know that :P
Aug 27 00:04:19 <GeneralAntilles> Well, uh, the bar widgets are really short
Aug 27 00:04:20 <jott> GeneralAntilles: what happens? :O
Aug 27 00:04:23 <GeneralAntilles> Rotation works better
Aug 27 00:04:33 <GeneralAntilles> But the Xserver seems confused about where taps are going.
Aug 27 00:04:46 <GeneralAntilles> But, uh, the screen looks fine.
Aug 27 00:05:04 <jott> ah ok so the input events are not translated :/
Aug 27 00:05:13 <jott> well i can commit it for now. it's a progress :)
Aug 27 00:05:34 <GeneralAntilles> Actually
Aug 27 00:05:38 <crashanddie> jott, I'm working on the progress bar in CR
Aug 27 00:05:39 <GeneralAntilles> they seem semi-translated
Aug 27 00:05:44 <GeneralAntilles> I can hit stuff on the taskbar fine
Aug 27 00:05:48 <GeneralAntilles> But not on the statusbar
Aug 27 00:05:48 <jott> crashanddie: nice.
Aug 27 00:05:54 <jott> GeneralAntilles: strange...
Aug 27 00:05:56 <GeneralAntilles> Or the application
Aug 27 00:06:28 <plaerzen> hey guys.  I'm seriously confused.  When I try to move something in maemo on my n810 - it says 'mv: cannot remove '/usr/local/share/tf-lib.tgz': no such file or directory'  but there is such file or directory.
Aug 27 00:06:28 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Aug 27 00:06:30 <GeneralAntilles> Rotated charging screen
Aug 27 00:06:32 <GeneralAntilles> that's pretty funny
Aug 27 00:06:57 <GeneralAntilles> Oh hell, jott, reboot didn't unrotate it.
Aug 27 00:07:04 <jott> huh?!
Aug 27 00:07:15 <GeneralAntilles> There it goes
Aug 27 00:07:19 <GeneralAntilles> AC power weirdness
Aug 27 00:07:33 <jott> i just enabled autoupdate of the lcd :O
Aug 27 00:07:50 <GeneralAntilles> It's fine now. ;)
Aug 27 00:09:17 <jott> oh i realzied you got an intermediate version i started hacking on a few weeks ago :)
Aug 27 00:09:27 <jott> with different layout, right? :)
Aug 27 00:09:43 <crashanddie> lol @ rizla paper having a paper saying "ONLY 10 LEFT"
Aug 27 00:15:27 <_annex_> hi all, has anyone done a quick n dirty port of glxgears to Vincent, (or any OpenGL ES implementation) ?
Aug 27 00:16:14 <crashanddie> wait, what ?
Aug 27 00:16:22 <crashanddie> Vincent ?
Aug 27 00:16:28 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Aug 27 00:16:34 <GeneralAntilles> There's a software glgears
Aug 27 00:16:44 <GeneralAntilles> There was just a post on Planet about software 3D, actually.
Aug 27 00:17:03 <_annex_> glgears is written to OpenGL no?
Aug 27 00:17:49 <_annex_> I'm not concerned with the glX part actually, I can port that stuff over to DirectFB myself, must the OpenGL->ES mods
Aug 27 00:18:03 <_annex_> I'd like to use it as a reference for future ports
Aug 27 00:18:27 <_annex_> must/but
Aug 27 00:28:02 <rm_you> jott: playing with a different widget layout for ABL? lol
Aug 27 00:28:29 <jott> rm_you: hehe yeah started and never finished :)
Aug 27 00:28:43 <rm_you> interesting
Aug 27 00:28:51 <rm_you> did you commit it? :P
Aug 27 00:28:55 <jott> no
Aug 27 00:29:00 <jott> should i?
Aug 27 00:29:05 <rm_you> no :P
Aug 27 00:29:10 <jott> hehe
Aug 27 00:29:31 <rm_you> damn, being president of two student organizations is a PITA
Aug 27 00:29:46 <jott> then resign :D
Aug 27 00:29:51 <rm_you> can't
Aug 27 00:29:55 <rm_you> one of them would just die
Aug 27 00:30:01 <jott> "so long suckers" :)
Aug 27 00:30:09 <rm_you> the other... i would be killed :P
Aug 27 00:30:23 <rm_you> lynch mobs are no fun
Aug 27 00:30:34 <rm_you> you want me to kill the ACM? :/
Aug 27 00:31:12 <rm_you> local ACM chapter is running because I want it to, pretty much with sheer willpower. if i left, it would collapse
Aug 27 00:31:19 <rm_you> sadness
Aug 27 00:31:21 <rm_you> anyway, i gotta run
Aug 27 00:31:23 <rm_you> bbl
Aug 27 00:31:27 <jott> have fun
Aug 27 02:03:30 <ChuangJiang> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 338
Aug 27 02:03:31 <ChuangJiang> Use default signal file name 'signalfile_1219802577.txt'
Aug 27 02:05:03 <ChuangJiang> I've met the above error message in the scratchbox.
Aug 27 02:05:27 <ChuangJiang> Who could give me any advice? TIA.
Aug 27 02:08:07 <moontiger_> looks like qemu doesnt support a hardware feature to me
Aug 27 02:09:28 <ChuangJiang> TO moontiger_: Thank you your reply so much.
Aug 27 02:09:40 <ChuangJiang> Now, what can I do ?
Aug 27 02:10:42 <moontiger_> i cant say for sure and im no expert on his but of course google it (if you havent already) and what were you doing anyways?
Aug 27 02:13:28 <ChuangJiang> I've googled it but have not solved it yet. I'm building OpenOffice.org in the scratchbox.
Aug 27 02:15:45 <moontiger_> ahhhhhhhh right
Aug 27 02:15:54 <moontiger_> i remember from last week
Aug 27 02:16:05 <moontiger_> do you have java working?
Aug 27 02:17:51 <ChuangJiang> NO
Aug 27 02:18:03 <moontiger_> can you run OO without java?
Aug 27 02:18:12 <ChuangJiang> Yes.
Aug 27 02:22:30 <moontiger> anything else printed out with that error?
Aug 27 02:24:32 <moontiger> ChuangJiang, it does need java for some functionality ... i assume you have disabled those parts in the build yes?
Aug 27 02:25:03 <ChuangJiang> Yeah.
Aug 27 02:27:01 <moontiger> hmmmmmmmmm all i can imagine is that something needed isnt supported in the emulation
Aug 27 02:27:25 <moontiger> sorry i cant help anymore :|
Aug 27 02:28:53 <ChuangJiang> Thank you anyway.
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