**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 29 02:59:58 2008 Aug 29 03:23:52 http://www.develop-one.net/blog/2008/08/27/HugADeveloper.aspx Aug 29 03:23:57 * moontiger laughs Aug 29 04:12:49 someone has eveonlinetheme? Aug 29 04:16:40 Has eve theme released any files yet? Aug 29 05:47:37 Hi Aug 29 06:58:38 moo Aug 29 06:58:59 ello Aug 29 06:59:17 * qwerty12 is annoyed he missed y/day's eastenders >.<. Off to rapidshare it is... Aug 29 06:59:25 qwerrty Aug 29 06:59:46 rst338gh Aug 29 07:00:06 * RST38h is about to experience the joys of american air travel in a few hours Aug 29 07:00:56 (wondering how he will be fucked this time) Aug 29 07:04:01 Oooh Aug 29 07:04:06 The Beagle's arrived at home. Aug 29 07:05:29 qwerty: any luck with qalculate btw? Aug 29 07:06:24 RST38h: I haven't worked on it yet, I got pissed off when I forgot to compile libgmp3 and that library that takes ages to compile can use libgmp3 Aug 29 07:06:36 The name libgmp3 is pretty misleading... Aug 29 07:07:26 I'll start work on it again after I mess around with linux-omap Aug 29 07:07:42 (which, knowing me, won't be long) Aug 29 07:11:24 weird...is it an mp3 decoder? Aug 29 07:12:01 No, which is why I got annoyed that I didn't compile it :D Aug 29 07:12:03 "GNU MP is a programmer's library for arbitrary precision arithmetic (ie, a bignum package). It can operate on signed integer, rational, and floating point numeric types. " Aug 29 07:12:35 Wait, it was a surprise that gmp is gmp? Aug 29 07:12:58 oh Aug 29 07:13:11 XTL: Well, with my habits, I read that as libg mp3 :P Aug 29 07:13:12 it is yet another bignum lib Aug 29 07:13:30 Right... Aug 29 07:13:41 It is The yet another bignum lib :) Aug 29 07:13:46 can fail to compile for a variety of reasons Aug 29 07:14:21 most likely - has got some x86 specific optimizations Aug 29 07:14:37 I'm sure it's been ported but I think it's a pretty fickle library Aug 29 07:14:55 ported a lot, I mean. Not specifically here Aug 29 07:15:16 Yeah, it's on quite a lot of archs Aug 29 07:35:25 oh. what just happend? apt-get upgrade did loads of changes Aug 29 07:35:58 apt-get upgrade isn't recommended. . . . Aug 29 07:36:07 GeneralAntilles: what is then? Aug 29 07:36:20 Application manager Aug 29 07:36:32 upgrade can hose the system with certain repositories. Aug 29 07:36:43 and can mess up SSU updates right now. Aug 29 07:37:14 might be, but doing things with application manager is slow Aug 29 07:37:32 or can it be done from the command line? Aug 29 07:37:55 "it" Aug 29 07:38:04 Don't apt-get upgrade unless you know what you're doing. Aug 29 07:38:23 and: oh. what just happend? apt-get upgrade did loads of changes Aug 29 07:38:24 upgrade the packages Aug 29 07:38:28 Tells me you don't know enough. Aug 29 07:39:22 GeneralAntilles: well, normally there is only a few packages which change. now there was a lot of changes. including some wimax stuff. I just wondered if there has been some major changes on the maemo lately Aug 29 07:39:37 An SSU update was pushed a few weeks ago. Aug 29 07:41:53 that might be the reason Aug 29 07:42:00 so. thanks for the information :) Aug 29 07:42:18 Which can easily hose your system if you install without osso-software-version-rx*4 Aug 29 07:46:16 seems to be ok. Aug 29 07:46:36 still eating all the available memory, but I guess that can not be avoided Aug 29 07:46:50 Morning, all Aug 29 07:47:13 It can depend on the repo's you have. Chinook repo + SDK repo = one way ticket to apt hell Aug 29 07:47:17 Morning Jaffa Aug 29 07:47:33 s/repo's/repositories Aug 29 07:48:34 Something tells me partitioning this SD card for the Beagle on this machine isn't gonna work out. Aug 29 07:49:25 is there some recommended way to disable /usr/sbin/browserd -d -i microb at the startup? Aug 29 07:49:49 Sure, if you want to be browserless ;) Aug 29 07:49:51 I suppose that's the preload for web-browser engine? Aug 29 07:50:01 No, it basically *is* the engine Aug 29 07:50:16 I mean. I quite rarely use browser with the n810. Aug 29 07:51:13 qwerty12, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3648#c3 Aug 29 07:51:16 oilink: there is Aug 29 07:51:47 Thanks GeneralAntilles Aug 29 07:52:11 RST38h: ? Aug 29 07:52:18 I have had a discussion with microb developer and after being pushed around a bit he told me the way Aug 29 07:52:34 * GeneralAntilles rolleyes Aug 29 07:53:42 RST38h: please share with us Aug 29 07:54:25 wait, gprs here Aug 29 07:55:24 Just rename the tablet-browser-daemon file in /etc/rc2 and rc5 Aug 29 07:55:44 wait, let me check what he suggested Aug 29 07:56:30 "remove link from /etc/rc2.d" Aug 29 07:56:49 i.e. same thing :) Aug 29 07:57:02 GeneralAntilles: I'm torn - it's really *really* good to have the Nokia people actually commenting in the public Bugzilla (even if you've pointed out they're still refering to NB bugs in changelogs), but the content of that comment shows that the decision makers just aren't getting how to work openly. Aug 29 07:57:21 ok. thanks. I'll try that one Aug 29 07:59:35 The interesting thing about that comment is that it actually points to Nokia not really being capable of putting out smaller maintenance updates effectively. Aug 29 08:00:57 Good point. All their processes are still geared around "big" releases. Aug 29 08:01:48 and will be Aug 29 08:02:01 can you guess why?;) Aug 29 08:02:19 I don't understand how an SSU update warrants a new SDK release. It's like Nokia releasing a FIASCO image when there is a SSU update and making you flash that first. Aug 29 08:02:48 and that I can also explain Aug 29 08:06:25 they operate in terms of releases for support reasons Aug 29 08:06:40 Yep. Aug 29 08:07:14 hmm. not starting browser-daemon is not yet perfect solution. when starting browser it says 'updating' and stays in that condition. Aug 29 08:07:14 when some punter comes to the service center and complains that his tablet does not work they have to be absolutely sure he has got a known config Aug 29 08:07:44 seems like need to alter the browser starting script that it will kick the browser-daemon up as well Aug 29 08:07:50 RST38h: indeed, but the first thing they'll do at the service centre (assuming they ever /do/ deal with tablets) is reflash it. Aug 29 08:07:52 they normally insure it with firmware updates Aug 29 08:08:17 Jaffa: not necessarily I think Aug 29 08:08:50 From a customer service PoV, they won't want to kill the user's data. Aug 29 08:08:56 Jaffa: and then they may get complaints about "software degraded" if they overwrite punters config Aug 29 08:09:14 RST38h: "degraded"? Aug 29 08:09:29 users data is one but there is also a set of apps and app versions user has Aug 29 08:10:16 Jaffa: well, let us say you have booapp version 10.1 installed and it boos at startup Aug 29 08:10:33 they reflash to 10.1 which does not boo on startup Aug 29 08:10:53 customer complains "it has degraded" Aug 29 08:11:04 s/10.1/10.0/ Aug 29 08:11:40 * GeneralAntilles wants booapp. Aug 29 08:11:49 in other words they purposely avoid versioning hell with these SSUs and sdks tied to each ssu Aug 29 08:12:03 brrrrrrrrap Aug 29 08:13:40 RST38h: I see your point, but if booapp is part of the system s/w then either a) service centre should reflash and update before returning device; or b) customer will get device back with the flashing orange [!] and upgrade themselves. Aug 29 08:14:29 Jaffa: correct except there still remains a problem that his tablet will break after update Aug 29 08:14:50 RST38h: so in your scenario the tablet is broken purely by the upgrade? Aug 29 08:14:54 all right, they are telling to turn off all the phones Aug 29 08:15:17 Good luck, RST38h. Aug 29 08:15:22 Jaffa: yes, if this particular version combo has got some problem Aug 29 08:15:46 gan: good luck I will need in 10 hours but thanks Aug 29 08:16:04 RST38h: Fair enough. But that's an argument against no SSUs. Anyway, have fun Aug 29 08:26:48 Anybody want to try fixing this up? https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_keyboards Aug 29 08:29:03 Hehe, that's fanoush's old website as well in the last link Aug 29 08:34:18 ~lart qemu Aug 29 08:34:18 * infobot cuts off qemu's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper Aug 29 08:42:22 * Stskeeps yawns Aug 29 08:42:55 Hey Stskeeps Aug 29 08:43:08 qwerty12: i'm prodding fanoush a bit about a /etc/bootmenu.d/*.ext system, where the ext file describes files and stuff to be copied in and maybe places to hook into Aug 29 08:43:37 so it would be possible to make a .deb with a g_serial.ext and then simply run refresh_bootmenu.d to patch Aug 29 08:44:02 Stskeeps: Sounds good, the way I'm currently doing it is quite dirty :/ Aug 29 08:44:26 but we'll see if i even got the right email on him :P Aug 29 08:44:45 remember that initfs is mounted ro so you would need to remount it first before installing such package Aug 29 08:45:27 hrw: we know - i already made a bootmenu.d for items that deals with this problem Aug 29 08:46:04 * qwerty12 didn't realise initfs was ro during boot as well >.<, took me a while to figure out my mknod wasn't working >.< Aug 29 08:46:11 hehe Aug 29 08:46:14 use /tmp Aug 29 08:46:24 or mknod in advance Aug 29 08:46:26 Yeah, that's the way I'm currently doing it :) Aug 29 08:46:32 mknod in /tmp Aug 29 08:46:58 Fanoush uses devices in /dev but that's because he has them copied as part of the bootmenu install Aug 29 08:47:18 yeah, i had to mknod loop0 as part of my deblet in a file thing Aug 29 08:47:27 But the initrd is a filesystem you can mount rw? Aug 29 08:47:37 And you actually have space on it? Aug 29 08:47:43 initfs and yes, in diablo, you can remount rw Aug 29 08:47:47 XTL: well, on Well, I have 1.3MB left on mine. Aug 29 08:47:57 so it's better just to rely on reflashing Aug 29 08:48:10 I suppose there's a fixed area reserved for it Aug 29 08:48:14 Interesting. Aug 29 08:48:27 4MB Aug 29 08:48:38 2MB pre-Diablo Aug 29 08:48:38 I have my initfs on a computer so all I do is modify it on computer, mkfs.jffs2 and flasher-3.0 it to my device Aug 29 08:50:05 I'll clean up the g_serial initfs patch, a lot of unnecessary stuff being done there. What is annoying about g_serial is that it expects a connection first hence the need to run getty one, connect and run getty again Aug 29 08:50:11 s/one/once/ Aug 29 08:50:12 qwerty12 meant: I'll clean up the g_serial initfs patch, a lot of unnecessary stuff being donce there. What is annoying about g_serial is that it expects a connection first hence the need to run getty one, connect and run getty again Aug 29 08:50:21 qwerty12: i saw someone not using getty Aug 29 08:50:22 sec Aug 29 08:51:42 Running getty's by hand? Aug 29 08:52:35 Yer, I get getty to start on the temporary node I've made for g_serial. Aug 29 08:52:38 I never had serial ports that vanish, though. I don't know how init copes. (Brute force?) Aug 29 08:52:38 anyone use stardict on maemo? Aug 29 08:52:58 stardict don't see dictionaries :( Aug 29 08:53:26 XTL: I don't think maemo uses getty by default. I know to get a true console, you have to switch framebuffer manually and run getty manually. Aug 29 08:53:45 rmrfchik: There's a certain directory layout, I didn't know it but the help file has it Aug 29 08:53:52 qwerty12: I expect it doesn't. Aug 29 08:53:56 qwerty12: bash >/dev/ttygs0 2>/dev/ttygs0 i read it expect in /media/mmc2/startdic/dic Aug 29 08:54:05 I thought this was about rigging usb serial ports Aug 29 08:54:06 (in busybox case, sh) Aug 29 08:54:15 where ttygs0 is your node Aug 29 08:54:29 Stskeeps: Brilliant, thanks a lot. I'll edit bootmenu.sh and try that. Aug 29 08:54:30 but what it looking for? what files? Aug 29 08:54:34 qwerty12: ./bash --login --noprofile -i -s < /dev/ttygs0 > /dev/ttygs0 2>&1 as well Aug 29 08:54:52 busybox sh probably sucks too much for the above Aug 29 08:54:56 true Aug 29 08:55:09 This is also busybox 1.00 in the initfs, not 1.61 as in maemo :> Aug 29 08:55:14 i know Aug 29 08:55:17 it sucks goat ass Aug 29 08:55:22 heh Aug 29 08:55:23 Yeah :D Aug 29 08:55:34 i would really consider replacing it if there were no ill effects Aug 29 08:55:43 but i'd just be met with the fremantle chant prolly Aug 29 08:56:06 I'm going to replace it properly in maemo sometime Aug 29 08:56:20 The coreutils from nokia's sdk repo suck. Aug 29 08:56:27 So I build my own. Aug 29 08:57:00 (seriously, using nokia's coreutils, I'd get segfaults on running ls -la) Aug 29 08:58:01 qwerty12: I like busybox sh Aug 29 08:58:23 it is limited a lot but if your script works in it then it should work anywhere Aug 29 08:58:35 hrw: Yeah :/, I can't deny, same here. It's lacking but I find the speed good and the navigation is good unlike bash3 :/ Aug 29 09:06:27 Stskeeps, feel free to do as you please, but might as well not waste the effort. :P Aug 29 09:08:23 Stskeeps: using sh works nicely: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/12.png Aug 29 09:20:28 RST38h: gmp won't compile here, I'll try cs2008 toolchain Aug 29 10:25:48 RST38h: fuck qalculate. http://pastebin.com/d7d667eff. Maybe the qt gui can be built but I can't be arsed. Aug 29 10:31:18 ~curse maemo Aug 29 10:31:19 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo ! Aug 29 10:31:37 I am trying to setup usb nettworking.. Aug 29 10:32:03 Ooh, load applet is updated Aug 29 10:32:28 hrw: at least we have diablo dummy module now :D Aug 29 10:33:25 have Aug 29 10:37:25 but why qemu/maemo does not want to do usb net ;( Aug 29 10:51:48 Hmm, what is the quickest way to tell if the watchdog is active? Aug 29 10:51:55 Hmm.. total deafness after flashing Aug 29 10:52:26 qwerty12, poke it with a stick? Aug 29 10:52:59 and which watchguard? Aug 29 10:53:11 GAN800: But it may be a rottweiler, I don't wish to anger it. Aug 29 10:53:16 Can't you check for the lifeguard process for lifeguard? Aug 29 10:53:30 Any of them. I'll kill xomap, should tell me if it's working... Aug 29 10:53:39 GAN800: Good point actually, I'll check Aug 29 11:14:02 qwerty12: if watchdog isnt active you'd reboot afaik :P Aug 29 11:14:35 Huh? Aug 29 11:15:17 Stskeeps: Hmm, I'd reboot if it was active and I killed an important process or the system. Just need a good hexeditor and I can make some sample code to write to cal (which the code is useless without dsme source) :) Aug 29 11:15:20 someone has usbnet.ko and cdc_ether.ko for diablo? Aug 29 11:15:30 hrw: they should be in the initfs Aug 29 11:19:41 they are part of kernel Aug 29 11:23:03 hrw: give me a min, I've got diablo kernel source tree here Aug 29 11:24:12 qwerty12: I checked Aug 29 11:25:05 dunno but here they are anyway: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/dsfds/ Aug 29 11:26:55 time to update qemu diablo to 23.40 Aug 29 11:36:00 hmm.. Does anybody know about upnp details on maemo? Does the gnomevfs upnp backend try to first fetch a small part of the file to read e.g. meta info (artist, song name, etc) and then fetch the whole file in a new connection? Aug 29 11:46:11 interesting... Aug 29 11:46:37 fresh clean diablo + maemo extras + 'apt-get update/distr-upgrade' isntalls two packages from extras Aug 29 11:50:05 qwerty12_N800: we're prolly going to have a bootmenu mailing list, you interested when that comes up? Aug 29 11:50:33 Stskeeps: For sure :) Aug 29 11:51:24 k Aug 29 11:52:14 ~lart dayjob Aug 29 11:52:14 * infobot hooks into a hydrant and hoses dayjob down Aug 29 11:55:49 Stskeeps: that reminds me, I was unable to compile mtd-utils statically for initfs but I'll try 0xFFFF later Aug 29 11:56:33 qwerty12_N800: and you didn't succeed in building uclibc matching? Aug 29 11:57:55 Stskeeps: no :(, atm, i'm using uclibc toolchain from scratchbox people but it's wrong ABI hence the need to compile statically Aug 29 12:08:19 maemo-pan 1.0.1 is for diablo. but website has only 1.0 available. does 1.0.1 is in extras-devel? Aug 29 12:09:33 Funny. What website? Aug 29 12:09:39 hrw: yes Aug 29 12:10:28 thx Aug 29 12:10:35 XTL: garage Aug 29 12:16:35 hrw, o, cześć :) Aug 29 12:19:17 Hi. Aug 29 12:20:28 o hej yacubie Aug 29 12:20:47 People, flashing a kernel to the 770 is the same process as flashing a OS? Aug 29 12:21:08 Binky: yes, but you use -f -k instead Aug 29 12:21:19 Ok. Aug 29 12:21:26 Thank you Aug 29 12:21:50 Binky: oh, under windows or linux? Aug 29 12:22:04 Linux Aug 29 12:22:10 I'm probably the person most afraid of WSOD ever. Aug 29 12:22:41 yeah, then it's flasher -f -k Aug 29 12:23:14 I want to copy OS to MMC and install Fanoush's MMC kernel, but i don't want to break my device Aug 29 12:24:50 I'd have my 770 running almost as fast as a N800, but i'm idiot ^^ lol Aug 29 12:25:24 Binky: REMEMber that you can boot kernel with flasher without flashing it Aug 29 12:25:49 What? Aug 29 12:26:05 --boot, -b [arg] Boot the kernel with optional cmdline Aug 29 12:27:11 But runs the same? Aug 29 12:27:34 And if you reboot the kernel stills there? Aug 29 12:27:35 flasher -b -l kernel Aug 29 12:27:51 qwerty12_N800: https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/bootmenu-devel Aug 29 12:28:01 so it should boot to this kernel and after reboot it will use in-flash old kernel Aug 29 12:28:16 hrw, cool , thank you! Aug 29 12:29:04 hi Aug 29 12:29:09 ~curse h-a-m again Aug 29 12:29:10 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, h-a-m again ! Aug 29 12:29:29 Stskeeps: thanks, signing up... Aug 29 12:29:44 hrw, wtf? Aug 29 12:29:52 ~lol Aug 29 12:29:53 lol is, like, stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. Aug 29 12:30:02 Incredible! Aug 29 12:30:11 Infobot rules Aug 29 12:30:12 * infobot makes the rules. now stfu and code more addons. Aug 29 12:30:14 infobot: you're encouraging non-irc standard behaviour Aug 29 12:30:36 Infobot is not amused Aug 29 12:30:43 does anyone know that is it difficult to create own flash image from tablet's current installation? Aug 29 12:30:50 or is it even possible? Aug 29 12:30:54 ~amused Aug 29 12:31:47 herwood, it's possible, since people created images for Angstrom, but I don't know why Aug 29 12:32:23 Binky: I would use it for quick recovery Aug 29 12:32:33 if something goes wrong Aug 29 12:32:49 herwood - lots of useful stuff here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting Aug 29 12:33:14 lbt: thanks, i'll take a look Aug 29 12:34:35 Angstrom images are created not from maemo images but from scratch Aug 29 12:34:42 herwood: it is possible Aug 29 12:35:23 hrw: what about the difficulty? Aug 29 12:36:33 herwood: you can make fiasco image using 0xffff or mamona image creator. you can compile your own kernel and modify initfs, rootfs using methods to mount a jffs2 image and mkfs.jffs2 to remake new image. i think poky people have tools to do this as well. Aug 29 12:37:57 hmm, sounds quite tricky Aug 29 12:38:45 herwood: dd if=/dev/mtdblock4 of=backup-of-my-rootfs.jffs2 Aug 29 12:39:36 but if you will do that from working system I do not warranty that it will give poper stuff Aug 29 12:41:12 hrw: ok Aug 29 12:41:15 typing in n810 emu is pain.. Aug 29 12:41:31 I'll test that and see what it does Aug 29 13:00:03 Hello ... Aug 29 13:01:39 i ve just see that there is a new portable game console based on linux open sourced nammed Wiz Aug 29 13:03:08 with that name, wiili comes to mind Aug 29 13:03:27 wiili as in wii linux lol Aug 29 13:06:33 Khertan: not really new, it seems to be a refresh of the gp2x line Aug 29 13:10:57 if I have 'libicd-network-dummy' installed then should not I have 'DUMMY' listed in 'select connection' dialog? Aug 29 13:11:21 hrw: restart icd2 Aug 29 13:11:45 it's now called "Dummy network" Aug 29 13:12:21 qwerty12_N800: I just rebooted emulator and now I even see 'dummy network' in list but greyed out.. Aug 29 13:13:00 hrw: very odd, is it doing some sort of check? Aug 29 13:13:42 http://www.gp2xwiz.co.kr/FrontStore/iMakePage.phtml?iPageId=15 Aug 29 13:13:42 moment - restarted qemu Aug 29 13:13:50 yep it s a gp2x ... :( Aug 29 13:15:46 qwerty12_N800: no idea Aug 29 13:16:10 now it does not even list dummy network... Aug 29 13:21:01 hrw: ugh. what does gconftool -a /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/DUMMY say? Aug 29 13:24:18 <_berto_> for you last.fm users -> http://pastebin.ca/raw/1188469 Aug 29 13:24:46 hola Aug 29 13:26:52 Nokia-N800-23-14:~# gconftool -a /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/DUMMY network_modules = [libicd_network_dummy.so] Aug 29 13:27:03 add \n in between Aug 29 13:28:12 \? This is mine: Aug 29 13:28:15 N800-P!MP!N:~# gconftool -a /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/DUMMY Aug 29 13:28:32 network_modules = [libicd_network_dummy.so] Aug 29 13:29:46 same here Aug 29 13:30:02 qemu is slow.. Aug 29 13:30:33 it may be worth repacking icd1... Aug 29 13:32:20 * qwerty12_N800 quite likes links2, i'll have to do proper build sometime Aug 29 14:05:13 hello. Aug 29 14:06:39 Can anyone help me? I want to download the maemo source code from Windows. Is there any windows application which browse maemo repository? Aug 29 14:07:24 Hexxx: the source packages on repository.maemo.org are just tarballs - WinZip can open them, for one. Also, there's http://mxr.maemo.org/ which may help Aug 29 14:15:14 winzip? 7-zip Aug 29 14:15:51 I know how to open them. Maybe I do something wrong, but I can see the source code tarballs there. for example http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ - here are no tarballs Aug 29 14:18:44 Hexxx: mxr is a source code viewer & cross-referencing site. Aug 29 14:18:44 repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/ check Aug 29 14:18:52 ^^^ what hrw said :) Aug 29 14:26:23 there are two directories at repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/ : "free" and "non-free". "non-free" directory is almost empty (libjpeg only), but in "free" there are so many subdirectories named "a", "b", "c" etc. Which one should I enter? or I should search all of them? Aug 29 14:26:35 all Aug 29 14:27:08 all of them, and do it manually from the browser? Aug 29 14:28:36 i thought there's a tarball which contains everything... Aug 29 14:29:08 whole internet Aug 29 14:29:13 internet.tar.gz Aug 29 14:29:54 very wittily Aug 29 14:30:18 Hexxx: there is no such thing as full maemo sources - very big amount of components are not open Aug 29 14:30:29 heh :( Aug 29 14:30:43 and many others are plainly broken Aug 29 14:30:52 like fscking 'dummy network' stuff Aug 29 14:31:44 my emulated n810 has usb network card which works fine - unless you try to use maemo apps which use one of maemo crappy network connection handling libs Aug 29 14:31:51 ok. I just wanted to see how they work with OMAP cpu. Where is it in the source code? Aug 29 14:32:48 kernel sources Aug 29 14:32:57 thank you Aug 29 14:33:23 might have what you're looking for, "work with omap cpu" is pretty generic though Aug 29 14:34:06 setting up the system registers, PLL, watchdog etc Aug 29 14:34:41 MMU programming Aug 29 14:34:41 thats kernel thing Aug 29 14:34:46 ok Aug 29 14:35:05 Hexxx: and I think that maemo is not necessary good example Aug 29 14:35:21 Hexxx: look into linux-omap tree instead and look at more recent kernels Aug 29 14:37:41 As I remember linux-omap is developed for OMAP5912, and maemo is for OMAP2420. There's some differnce I think... Aug 29 14:39:01 Hexxx: really? Aug 29 14:39:12 you looked at linux-omap two years ago? Aug 29 14:39:41 linux-omap covers omap1 (7xx, 8xx, 1510, 17xx), omap2 (24xx), omap3 (3xxx) now Aug 29 14:40:27 wow, it's really improved Aug 29 14:41:25 the fun is that linux-omap 2.6.26 boots fine on n8x0 but this is not supported at all by nokia so you do not have wifi etc Aug 29 14:41:25 Then, I'll go to linux-omap :) Aug 29 14:42:25 Have any one tried to flash Symbian phones with linux? :) Aug 29 14:42:54 from what I know nokia internally got linux on n95 Aug 29 14:43:12 but they do many internal fun things Aug 29 14:43:57 If there's linux-omap for omap1710, why didn't anyone try to use it symbian phones. There's omap1710 there... Aug 29 14:45:13 Hexxx: omap is not the only chip Aug 29 14:45:21 in the phone, I mean Aug 29 14:46:16 what do you mean? Aug 29 14:46:39 what I said Aug 29 14:46:52 Hexxx: first you need to get to serial line, got jtag, access to bootloader etc Aug 29 14:47:03 running linux on non-linux hardware is not easy task Aug 29 14:47:16 jtag pins are accessible at the phones Aug 29 14:47:26 jtag is disabled Aug 29 14:50:07 Why do they do the pins at all of the BB5 phones' boards? just for fun? Aug 29 14:50:42 Or you mean it's disabled by software? Aug 29 14:50:53 guess, you haven't ever seen linux and HS omap Aug 29 14:51:31 nobodys afaik done a bootloader for n95(or other nokia phones) Aug 29 14:51:50 theres a linux port to siemens sx-1(s60 phone, arm) Aug 29 14:52:05 sx1 was s60? rather s40 Aug 29 14:52:22 hrw: it was symbian Aug 29 14:52:24 hrw: s60 Aug 29 14:52:28 There's all-know Dejan who says that he's able to connect to BB5 phones via Jtag. Is he lying? Aug 29 14:52:30 and sx1 was disaster - few hardware versions, misc amount of ram Aug 29 14:52:51 crazy button placement too Aug 29 14:52:53 Hexxx: ok - what will you do with n95/linux? Aug 29 14:53:12 the same things you do with N800 :) Aug 29 14:53:13 Hexxx: try to get laid? Aug 29 14:53:21 Hexxx: no - n95 lack touchscreen Aug 29 14:53:41 it also has low resolution Aug 29 14:53:43 Hexxx: port qt phone ed or what? and lose the phone side? Aug 29 14:53:45 let's return to jtag question Aug 29 14:53:56 Is JTAG really disabled? Aug 29 14:54:28 on n810? it's disabled in HW Aug 29 14:54:32 give me 2 phones, service hardware and time/money and I will tell you Aug 29 14:54:39 bb5 phones -- offtopic Aug 29 14:55:02 the phone side is runnung at the other CPU, connected to OMAP1710 via UART Aug 29 14:55:17 so the phone part won't die Aug 29 14:56:13 some of the more recent s60's are singlecpu Aug 29 14:56:34 glass: for example? Aug 29 14:57:22 n91 - has 2 cpu, is it recent enough? Aug 29 14:57:28 trenka: E50 for example, and almost every new s60 except n95(n82) Aug 29 14:57:46 it's cheaper Aug 29 14:58:19 Hexxx: anyways, if you manage to flash and run any code of your own it would be newsworthy Aug 29 14:58:46 i know. But there are so many rumors. Aug 29 14:59:18 rumours don't mean jack shit Aug 29 14:59:38 forums are full of hopefuls who make wrong deductions Aug 29 14:59:49 Some ot them tell JTAG is disabled everywhere, some of them tell it can be enabled by software, and some othem tell that it's enabled in some harware way Aug 29 15:00:32 qwerty12: blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/qemu-icd.jpg Aug 29 15:00:35 it's a thing that may have changed over years.. heard once it's enabled for proto-devices Aug 29 15:01:48 hrw: that's really odd. do you have wireless modules loaded? Aug 29 15:01:50 for DCT4 it was rather clear, there were too few phones which had jtag pins on the board. What's the reason in making jtag pins for both cpu's on each BB5 board? Aug 29 15:02:02 qwerty12: I have but qemu lack wireless anyway Aug 29 15:02:42 hrw: ah. I'll set up N800 emulation and have a look. If worst comes to worst, I'll dpkg-repack icd from chinook Aug 29 15:05:57 qwerty12: use n810 emulation - it has a keyboard (bit hard to use but keyboard) Aug 29 15:06:21 hrw: will do. do I need mtd1 from n810 or will my N800 one do? Aug 29 15:06:31 Aug 29 15:06:32 hello, my N800 fell by 1.5 metres, no nothing bad happened .. he just left the chamber as if I had done so, then the goal again and everything normal .. but when I wanted to use the camera rotated 90 degrees and it was there when the problem .. does not rotate and turn the other way round, if the N800 turn 90 degrees the camera rotates 90 degrees, but everything is on the other hand, continues to operate the rotation, but bad .. on the contrary everythi Aug 29 15:06:32 ng Any idea? Aug 29 15:07:23 qwerty12: you will be fine Aug 29 15:07:24 your Aug 29 15:07:30 ok, thanks Aug 29 15:08:18 :( Aug 29 15:15:38 * qwerty12 gets ready for slow qemu compile :) Aug 29 15:16:19 lopz: did rotation work before? Aug 29 15:20:05 hrw: what changes do I have to make for diablo partition layout in qemu? I searched logs and found but it's expired :\ .http://pastebin.com/d58cf48bc Aug 29 15:21:51 qwerty12: http://pastebin.com/m2045be2d Aug 29 15:22:04 great, thanks a lot Aug 29 15:22:17 Stskeeps, yes :S Aug 29 15:22:47 qwerty12: http://pastebin.com/d5622c04e is handy Aug 29 15:23:08 Ah, I can see why, thanks :) Aug 29 15:25:46 Stskeeps, all normal operating entities, rotate the image the camera when it did, but now just broken, but upside down, the problem is when you have the N800 facing you, then rotate 90 degrees and the camera should see the environment that is behind device, it does, but you sample rotated 90 degrees, and if you put the device rotated 90 degrees, the picture remains unchanged broken, but there is always the other way around, any ideas? problem is hardwar Aug 29 15:25:46 e? or that .. : ( Aug 29 15:32:28 bye Aug 29 15:32:37 bye hrw Aug 29 15:35:54