**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 05 02:59:56 2008 Sep 05 03:00:07 ok, instead of irssi use xchat Sep 05 03:00:12 no. Sep 05 03:00:18 and instead of n8x0 use e70 :) Sep 05 03:00:30 you can probably bind that action to another key Sep 05 03:00:33 no? then suffer you will! Sep 05 03:00:46 there are reasons i'm using irssi Sep 05 03:01:20 and i dunno what an e70 is but i assume i can't afford it Sep 05 03:01:50 google. Sep 05 03:02:02 gregorovius: there's a terrible lack of keys to choose from, though Sep 05 03:02:18 RST38h: laziness. Sep 05 03:02:19 Enlist in our armed forces! Sep 05 03:02:27 umgh. Sep 05 03:03:08 Chani: basically, either use XChat or suffer Sep 05 03:03:33 Chani: There is a MENU key at the left-bottom corner of the keyboard, so you can use that for ALT, but in the end you will still suffer Sep 05 03:03:35 You can bind an alt Sep 05 03:05:02 maybe i'll bind the extra shift to alt someday Sep 05 03:05:16 Chani: Esc, then the window number. Sep 05 03:05:46 ESC is the back-arrow key at the left of your screen Sep 05 03:06:04 Using X-Chat _is_ suffering. Sep 05 03:06:11 it's ok Sep 05 03:06:18 not perfect but few things are Sep 05 03:06:44 derf: thanks Sep 05 03:07:00 Admittedly, I haven't used it since 2002, but back then it was pretty bad. Sep 05 03:07:15 hrm. this white bg makes yellow text evil Sep 05 03:07:37 http://josephhall.org/nqb2/media/cthulhu08.jpg Sep 05 03:08:00 hahaha Sep 05 03:08:05 hahaha Sep 05 03:08:05 Chani: [sadistically] XChat has configurable bg color ;) Sep 05 03:08:11 ^^ Sep 05 03:08:30 that's my new avatar Sep 05 03:08:32 and my first ever Sep 05 03:10:45 osso-software-version-rx34: Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200829maemo1) but 2.6.21-200823maemo3 is to be installed Sep 05 03:10:47 huh? Sep 05 03:10:51 not again Sep 05 03:10:53 that's right Sep 05 03:11:17 now apt doesn't let me get anything Sep 05 03:11:26 Have you been screwing with repositories? Sep 05 03:11:38 Alternatively: How'd you get to 30-2? Sep 05 03:11:56 I have a kernel with rotation, might that be it? Sep 05 03:12:04 unlikely Sep 05 03:12:16 Shouldn't be. Sep 05 03:12:37 I don't have many repos Sep 05 03:12:49 I just enabled chinook extras to get a package from there Sep 05 03:13:54 I only have the sliderotate repo, kulve's and a tiny one for pidgin led plugin Sep 05 03:14:03 (and the 4 stock ones, ofc) Sep 05 03:17:21 any ideas? Sep 05 03:17:37 thinking Sep 05 03:19:26 ok, could you check what repositories osso-software-version-rx34 and kernel-diablo-flasher are coming from? Sep 05 03:19:52 you may want to disable repo that has 2.6.21-200823maemo3 so that the older 2.6.21-200823maemo1 pops up instead Sep 05 03:19:53 how could I? Sep 05 03:19:59 mmm...a moment Sep 05 03:22:08 apt-cache with some option should do it Sep 05 03:24:41 I can't see any, and I'm not sure actually if dpkg knows where each package comes from Sep 05 03:25:08 this data should be somewhere Sep 05 03:30:05 Can I just add debian/armel feeds to my apt sources and install stuff on top of diablo? Or is that likely to break everything? Sep 05 03:30:35 It'd' be nice to have a few things I don't see in maemo-specific feeds, like xchat. Sep 05 03:30:52 you can find maemo xchat using google Sep 05 03:30:54 XChat is available. . . . Sep 05 03:30:58 It's in Extras-devel Sep 05 03:31:00 ~extras Sep 05 03:31:01 methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Sep 05 03:31:14 Or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/maemo-xchat/ Sep 05 03:31:36 Ah, thanks. Sep 05 03:31:57 sorry, it is an os2007 version Sep 05 03:32:04 get os2008 one form extras-devel ans GA says Sep 05 03:32:07 That was just an example, though apparently a bad one. Is it insane to add debian/armel feeds? Sep 05 03:32:41 not insane but no guarantees this stuff will work Sep 05 03:33:26 the lib versions these apps depend off may be completely different from maemo ones Sep 05 03:34:07 90% of the stuff wont work. Sep 05 03:34:16 You can compile source packages fairly easily. Sep 05 03:34:22 But the binaries generally wont work. Sep 05 03:34:47 binaries are so 2007 Sep 05 03:40:07 Package: kernel-diablo-flasher; Version: 2.6.21-200823maemo3; This here is the latest diablo kernel compiled in DIABLO_ARMEL with the rotation stuff applied by qwerty12. Sep 05 03:40:14 it IS sliderotate's fault Sep 05 03:40:37 That guy makes some crappy packages. . . . Sep 05 03:41:03 is there an alternative kernel I can get somewhere? Sep 05 03:41:33 that's why I'm not getting updates, apt-get update fails with that error Sep 05 03:42:17 one more reason to have this stuff as part of the OFFICIAL kernel Sep 05 03:44:20 It actually wouldn't be an issue if Nokia weren't being such a hooker about updating the sources. Sep 05 03:44:38 qwerty12 would've updated the kernel package within 24 hours of 30-2 being out and all would be well. Sep 05 03:44:59 guess it is not the top priority for Nokia =( Sep 05 03:46:53 also, relying on qwerty12 to update a package every time Nokia sneezes is expecting too much from qwerty. He is human, not a script Sep 05 03:47:52 he ought to be scripted one of this days Sep 05 03:49:36 sliderotate was the biggest mistake i installed Sep 05 03:50:35 :< Sep 05 03:51:23 I just reflashed the old kernel Sep 05 03:51:26 for the 2nd time Sep 05 03:52:33 not gonna happen again Sep 05 03:53:44 Hehe, booting Maemo on the Beagle aint goin' so well. Sep 05 03:54:04 Wonder if I could flash an initfs image onto the Beagle NAND. . . . Sep 05 03:56:08 can anyone recommend an osx like launcher? Sep 05 03:56:27 OS X has a launcher? Sep 05 03:56:30 Do you mean Dock? Sep 05 03:56:32 Or Quicksilver? Sep 05 03:56:54 yes, a dock for maemo Sep 05 03:57:09 Personal Launch Sep 05 03:57:13 rob2087: Personal Launcher Sep 05 03:57:13 Should be in Extras by now Sep 05 03:57:18 maybe Extra-devel Sep 05 03:57:38 Something is telling me Maemo won't boot on the beagle as is Sep 05 03:57:49 cool, thanks guys, I will check it out Sep 05 03:57:50 Too many hardware checks Sep 05 03:57:52 Different SoC ==> different initialization sequence Sep 05 03:58:35 I have to figure out who took the pictures of it running on a Beagle and ask them how they did it. Sep 05 03:59:50 are kernel sources that important? can grab the config from /proc Sep 05 04:00:54 When you're compiling custom kernels and you want to keep up-to-date with Nokia's latest, then, yeah, kernel sources are important. Sep 05 04:01:44 and there are so many kernel patches Sep 05 04:02:01 why dont they just run some kind of GIT tree Sep 05 04:07:28 woots for xchat! It's much nicer than pidgin-irc... Sep 05 04:08:27 ushare vs mediatomb vs gmediaserver Sep 05 04:08:33 any opinions? Sep 05 04:33:42 <_ken_> I'm reading the Wikipedia page on Maemo and it states that "Despite being based on Linux and open source software in general, some parts of the Maemo remain closed source. Particularly the Wifi drivers, which contain a binary blob, and some user-space software, like certain statusbar and taskbar applets (including the display brightness applet) and applications.[citation needed]" Sep 05 04:33:50 <_ken_> Is this actually true? Sep 05 04:34:10 Yes. Sep 05 04:34:52 <_ken_> so only the wifi drivers and some userspace apps? Sep 05 04:35:13 I learnt that post-purchase Sep 05 04:35:29 _ken_: in effect it doesnt matter too much except we're stuck with 2.6.21ish Sep 05 04:35:36 Mostly Sep 05 04:36:35 GeneralAntilles: and i don't know what to guess (your message as of 5 hours ago when i was asleep :P) Sep 05 04:37:40 <_ken_> GeneralAntilles: is there anything else part from the wifi drivers and those apps - any other surprises? Sep 05 04:37:50 Some libraries Sep 05 04:38:14 Jeebus that took forever to load Sep 05 04:38:17 Stskeeps, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2829356428/ Sep 05 04:38:20 It boots. ;) Sep 05 04:38:50 GeneralAntilles: scary ;) Sep 05 04:39:13 <_ken_> GeneralAntilles: not proprietary libc I hope :-) Sep 05 04:39:16 host mode should be a matter of correct kernel + modules Sep 05 04:39:17 _ken_, to name the most important closed source code, IMHO: browser ui, media player, some dsp tasks Sep 05 04:39:40 alarmd Sep 05 04:39:40 There's a list on the wiki now, I think. Sep 05 04:39:46 * GeneralAntilles wonders what the hell is up with his internet. Sep 05 04:39:52 and DSME/BME Sep 05 04:40:22 but they're not that relevant cos dsme protocol has been mostly documented and hald-addon-bme is a solid drop in package Sep 05 04:41:25 ah, the battery charging code will be potentially troublesome to some degree... Sep 05 04:41:40 _ken_, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Components_and_packages Sep 05 04:42:14 johnx: i haven't really run into a situation where i needed to do something actively to make it charge though Sep 05 04:43:14 Stskeeps, well that's cause you're still running bme right? Sep 05 04:43:40 johnx: i didn't have hald-addon-bme initially and i believe it charged Sep 05 04:43:50 just didnt report when it was done and stuff Sep 05 04:44:11 yeah, I just mean the actual thing that runs out of initfs Sep 05 04:44:13 ah Sep 05 04:44:17 true Sep 05 04:44:25 oh, i didn't know fedora core was ported to armel Sep 05 04:44:36 that's interesting because of moblin 2.0 Sep 05 05:05:29 <_ken_> GeneralAntilles: I'd found it too. thanks so much Sep 05 05:06:32 <_ken_> this https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/106/354/maemopackages-20080725.ods seems to contain more details, although it does not mention the reasons for keeping those packages closed Sep 05 05:06:48 No, that's coming later. Sep 05 05:07:30 But, basically, most of it can be summed up by "competitive advantage", Nokia IP, or just straight laziness. Sep 05 05:07:41 <_ken_> yes, that's mentioned in these pages http://wiki.maemo.org/MAG:Templates , http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Mapping_openness Sep 05 05:08:40 UI stuff can be chalked up to stupid management thinking that it gives them an advantage over competition. Sep 05 05:09:24 Which is why I'm out to have every single piece of closed Nokia UI code replaced with better, faster, strong open source code. ;) Sep 05 05:09:35 s/strong/stronger/ Sep 05 05:09:36 GeneralAntilles meant: Which is why I'm out to have every single piece of closed Nokia UI code replaced with better, faster, stronger open source code. ;) Sep 05 05:10:32 <_ken_> I've also come across this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1584 It would be great to see it closed :-) Sep 05 05:11:38 i can't take a bug report seriously that cites the DFSG Sep 05 05:11:39 :P Sep 05 05:12:58 _ken_, I think Nokia is moving in the right direction Sep 05 05:13:09 They're certainly more open than they were 3 years ago. Sep 05 05:13:26 There's a lot of corporate inertia moving in the wrong direction to overcome, though. Sep 05 05:13:40 <_ken_> GeneralAntilles: yes, it seems so to me - that's why I've become interested in this Sep 05 05:16:42 that mini note from HiVision looks kind of interesting Sep 05 05:21:02 Woo, China. Sep 05 05:21:08 It's made entirely out of lead and cadmium Sep 05 05:21:13 oh totally Sep 05 05:21:16 that's the best part Sep 05 05:21:33 I haven't had a chance to play with much MIPS stuff though... Sep 05 05:23:11 also, bloggers that don't know anything about linux and non-x86 platforms are hi-larious Sep 05 05:23:20 Hehe Sep 05 05:26:18 "Would be just the thing for running Google's new Chrome browser — that is, if the Chrome browser supported Linux." Sep 05 05:26:19 Ha Sep 05 05:26:28 Or MIPS, even. . . . Sep 05 05:26:47 I really hope they don't do another "port" with libwine... Sep 05 05:27:26 Chrome is so much hype Sep 05 05:27:40 I like how it's managing to jump into completely unrelated stories. Sep 05 05:27:44 * johnx shrugs Sep 05 05:27:46 I'm hearing nice things about it Sep 05 05:28:06 * GeneralAntilles just wonders how much money Google is pumping into the "blogosphere" :P Sep 05 05:28:34 s/about it/about it, from people I know aren't getting google money/ Sep 05 05:28:34 johnx meant: I'm hearing nice things about it, from people I know aren't getting google money Sep 05 05:29:43 Hi ! Sep 05 05:31:01 GeneralAntilles, anyways, google doesn't need to pay off people to hype its products. Anything they touch immediately gets hyped almost as much as an apple product... Sep 05 05:31:24 hey Khertan_n810. How's coding going? Sep 05 05:32:05 hum ... too slowly Sep 05 05:34:40 but mCalendar will be ready for the summit Sep 05 05:34:48 w00! Sep 05 05:35:14 and i hope mContacts have a first release Sep 05 06:12:51 GtkWarning: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 750 and height -9 Sep 05 06:13:11 someone have an idea where this warning come from ? Sep 05 06:13:26 i ven t any widget sized to -9 Sep 05 06:14:43 does -9 mean something like -1 mean autoresize ? Sep 05 06:15:30 Maybe the parent widget is too small, and it tried to resize a child widget to a negative value. Sep 05 06:15:51 other thing i set on glade that a gtk button can t get focus but this property widget doesn t seems to work on maemo Sep 05 06:16:36 ToyKeeper : it the only explanation that i ve found too ... but i can t find which widget is Sep 05 06:17:25 Glade is a neat tool for prototyping UIs. But the UI should generally be converted to regular code before release. Sep 05 06:18:13 ToyKeeper ... hum right for a c programm Sep 05 06:18:34 but it s not recommended to do this in python Sep 05 06:19:14 random post but may be related http://osdir.com/ml/gnome.gtk+.perl/2003-12/msg00116.html Sep 05 06:20:54 thx Sep 05 06:21:21 but found which widget generate this warning isn t easy Sep 05 06:26:16 Khertan_n810, hi :) i do my ui in code fyi Sep 05 06:26:23 not saying its the best but it works Sep 05 06:26:40 yep it work Sep 05 06:26:58 but doing it in glade optimize things Sep 05 06:27:02 really? Sep 05 06:27:24 as code is managing by a c compiled lib Sep 05 06:27:34 there isn t many ndifferences Sep 05 06:27:59 but there is :) Sep 05 06:39:43 hi all Sep 05 06:48:37 Khertan_n810, i will investigate ... thnx :) Sep 05 07:53:20 How do I launch browser from command line? Sep 05 07:54:48 browser Sep 05 07:57:06 Hi ! Sep 05 07:57:19 morning Sep 05 07:57:26 There is only few candidate for the Maemo Council Sep 05 07:58:06 From what i understand only few people can vote, and will receive a mail ... Sep 05 07:58:08 Yeah, not many people decided to run. :\ Sep 05 07:58:15 Lots of people can vote Sep 05 07:58:23 Everybody with a maemo.org account more than 3 months old. Sep 05 07:58:27 GeneralAntilles: i ll like ... but i haven't enough time Sep 05 07:58:36 We've got 7 candidates. Sep 05 07:58:41 Which is more than 5, anyway. Sep 05 07:58:59 GeneralAntilles: lol i see only 4 ... Sep 05 07:59:07 Where, exactly, are you looking? :) Sep 05 07:59:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations ... Sep 05 08:00:03 hum ... the box say 7 but don't see tim nor simon pickering Sep 05 08:00:18 I see everybody. Sep 05 08:00:20 Reload? Sep 05 08:00:26 lol ... don't use google chrome ... at least not to see the list :) Sep 05 08:00:34 i got the entire list with firefox Sep 05 08:00:34 :) Sep 05 08:01:19 Hum ... does the email have been already sent ? Sep 05 08:01:25 is ryan in here trying to do some electioneering??? hmm?? Sep 05 08:01:40 <-- didn't get an email. :( Sep 05 08:01:53 (and my maemo.org account is about 8 months old) Sep 05 08:02:18 Hrm, that sounds bad. Sep 05 08:02:26 email on the account valid and whatnot? Sep 05 08:02:28 ...so, i can pretend to vote for whoever I want. :) I can even pretend to vote multiple times. Sep 05 08:02:30 dneary, ping. Sep 05 08:02:34 oh, yes.. of course. Sep 05 08:02:35 pong Sep 05 08:02:39 Khertan: 1249 Sep 03 dneary@maemo.or ( 31) Maemo Community Council election - voting instructions Sep 05 08:03:01 briand: What's your email address? I'll check if you were in the database Sep 05 08:03:04 ? Sep 05 08:03:10 turbo@talstar.com Sep 05 08:03:19 keesj: that was the mail subject and its post date Sep 05 08:03:45 Khertan: Where are you looking that you only see 4 candidates? Sep 05 08:04:02 The wiki Sep 05 08:04:07 He's got a broken browser, or something. :P Sep 05 08:04:08 dneary: don't bother with this ... it s a bug of google chrome Sep 05 08:04:37 the page is truncated Sep 05 08:05:08 i ven't get the mail too Sep 05 08:05:22 so, in other news: Viewsonic couldn't repair my in-warranty VX924 19" LCD monitor... so they sent me a brand new VX1940w wide-screen 19" HD monitor to replace it. :D Sep 05 08:05:40 ...it's very nice. Sep 05 08:05:41 :) Sep 05 08:05:42 Khertan: I ven't? Sep 05 08:05:58 dneary: did u get my email addy? turbo@talstar.com Sep 05 08:06:08 briand: Will check Sep 05 08:07:00 briand: Don't have you in the maemo accounts list Sep 05 08:07:03 What's your name? Sep 05 08:07:09 Brian Dunworth Sep 05 08:10:33 <_marcell_> briand: garage.maemo.org says you are a member since 2008-08-18. Sep 05 08:11:17 _marcell_: that would be the date I signed up as a -developer- on the OMWeather project Sep 05 08:11:51 but i created an account on maemo when my N800 arrived in february Sep 05 08:12:28 <_marcell_> briand: well, maemo.org accounts are created on garage and replicated to maemo.org. So it is not possible to have a maemo.org account and not have a garage account at any given point in time. Sep 05 08:14:47 i'm not arguing whether your relational databases are synchronized or not.. nor am I claiming to have an account on maemo and not garage, etc... I'm just saying that 08-18-08 is the day I used my account and joined the OMWeather project. Sep 05 08:15:21 if the previous history of my existence has disappeared from your files... then, well, whatever. Sep 05 08:15:23 :shrug: Sep 05 08:20:27 Morning, all Sep 05 08:20:43 in any case, i'm going to bed. been up since 23 hours ago, and getting sleepy. Sep 05 08:21:26 g'morning Jaffa... and good night. :) Sep 05 08:22:40 _marcell_: given the problems historically had with (garage.)maemo.org account synchronisation, I could believe briand - although I've not seen any of the code doing the syncing Sep 05 08:23:17 Jaffa: don't sweat it. ain't no biggie, anyway. :) Sep 05 08:23:35 you've already got representation in Tallahassee. ...and, he's on the ballot. :) Sep 05 08:25:37 peace out... bed is callin'... ;) Sep 05 08:39:22 my tablet seems to be in wsod state. I can ssh in, but hildon-desktop is somehow screwed Sep 05 08:40:51 could somebody ls -l /usr/share/themes/Default from tablet? Sep 05 08:49:42 gtk-2.0-key Sep 05 08:50:04 drwxr-xr-x root: root Sep 05 08:56:38 hi all Sep 05 08:56:59 any one using diablo? Sep 05 08:58:03 cityLights, Yes Sep 05 08:58:13 1. can I dual boot OS2008 and diablo? Sep 05 08:58:32 as to use grub with two vmlinuz files? Sep 05 08:59:37 diablo is 2008 Sep 05 08:59:48 s/2008/OS2008/ Sep 05 08:59:58 2. do you find diablo usefull and worth upgrading to? Sep 05 09:00:19 yes Sep 05 09:00:26 bef0rd meant: diablo is OS2008 Sep 05 09:00:26 So you want to dualboot Chinook and Diablo? Sep 05 09:00:26 I currntly use the first update for the N800 released a year ago Sep 05 09:00:54 There's no reason to dual boot Chinook and Diablo. Sep 05 09:01:20 If you're running Chinook (50-2), you're already two versions behind. Sep 05 09:01:28 Yes, upgrade to Diablo. Sep 05 09:01:52 ok, let me establish what version I got: I bought the N800 on Dec 2007 Sep 05 09:02:15 N800s ship with OS2007 Sep 05 09:02:23 I then upgraded the OS with what was on Nokia site the next month Sep 05 09:02:33 Which means you're ever farther behind. Sep 05 09:02:50 Ah, nevermind Sep 05 09:03:05 Probably 44-8 Sep 05 09:03:14 I got 2008 - if its diablo , then why is all this new talk in internettalk about diablo? Sep 05 09:03:40 /home/user # uname -a Sep 05 09:03:40 Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 #16 Sun Mar 16 20:34:14 CET 2008 armv6l unknown Sep 05 09:04:06 Er, because people like talking about new versions of things? Sep 05 09:04:09 Just install Diablo. Sep 05 09:04:11 ~flashing Sep 05 09:04:11 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 05 09:04:47 do I have the current version? Sep 05 09:05:21 No. Sep 05 09:05:30 Current version is 30-2 Sep 05 09:05:46 So you're two releases behind. Sep 05 09:06:20 GeneralAntilles: so is it just a matter of flashing a new kernel? Sep 05 09:06:26 No. . . . Sep 05 09:06:38 Just follow the instructions for your platform on the page I linked. Sep 05 09:06:48 o, ok Sep 05 09:07:04 but, will I be able to run all the software I am used to? Sep 05 09:07:31 most of it Sep 05 09:07:39 to make sure I can still run all my software I sugested using dual boot Sep 05 09:07:51 There weren't any major library upgrades between Chinook and Diablo Sep 05 09:07:55 Only libssl Sep 05 09:08:12 Anything missing from Diablo Extras can just be grabbed from Chinook Extras. Sep 05 09:08:20 There are no API breaks. Sep 05 09:08:36 GeneralAntilles: am I running chinook? Sep 05 09:09:09 Chinook is 50-2 and 51-3 Sep 05 09:09:16 btw http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware is not responding Sep 05 09:09:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Release_history Sep 05 09:10:58 cool read... Sep 05 09:12:05 ok, one thing left, I put my root file system on a SD card Sep 05 09:12:31 and use grub to boot from it. Sep 05 09:12:31 after flashing , what do I need to do? Sep 05 09:12:41 grub? :/ Sep 05 09:12:53 ~boot-sd Sep 05 09:13:32 will I need to copy the new diablo tree to my SD ? Sep 05 09:14:23 boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Sep 05 09:14:48 Er, 'tree'? Sep 05 09:15:17 Yes, you'll need to copy the newly flashed Diablo install over to the card. Sep 05 09:15:38 GAN800, when I went about prepering the SD to allow me to boot from it, I copied the file system fromt he flash to it Sep 05 09:16:14 * teamcobra is personally backing his tablet up right now, getting ready to take the deblet plunge :D Sep 05 09:16:38 so is the update to diablo only a matter of booting from flash and coping the diblo flash file system over to my SD? Sep 05 09:18:43 teamcobra, yes it does make sense to use a new SD to test diablo Sep 05 09:19:01 if it fails, I can go back to chinnok Sep 05 09:20:00 I still can't see http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 05 09:20:06 even using google cache... Sep 05 09:21:08 Give it an hour. Sep 05 09:21:18 thnaks Sep 05 09:21:29 GAN800 thanks, Sep 05 09:21:41 I am asking sevral times to make sure I got it Sep 05 09:22:05 this is as the SD has my home directory with importent files Sep 05 09:22:34 _marcell_ will take a look at the wiki in a short while, I'm still too noob to do it Sep 05 09:22:48 so I need to make sure that if I overwrite files , when coping files from flash to SD - I wont kill my N800 Sep 05 09:23:53 I really hope the server upgrades help the apache crashes Sep 05 09:24:27 You know the HR guy is a non-techie when you see this: Knowledge of three the following programming languages essential {Ruby, Java, C#, C++, HTTP, Perl, SQL, Visual Basic, .NET} Sep 05 09:24:30 having a wiki serve up blank pages 20-50% of the time makes it really hard to help people. :/ Sep 05 09:24:55 GAN800: What's the priority of the bug #? Probably should be bumped to max. Sep 05 09:25:10 * GAN800 programs a virus for crashanddie in http Sep 05 09:25:29 lol http Sep 05 09:25:36 ferenc was working on it, but he didn't know why the crashes were happening Sep 05 09:25:44 SQL is hardly a programming language either ;) Sep 05 09:25:47 ok thanks , I will wait Sep 05 09:26:00 Jaffa, priorities are set by the team. :P Sep 05 09:26:13 GAN800, I thought this was taken care of? Sep 05 09:26:48 GAN800: Impact or something then. This is a critical issue, it can't be dealt with normal timebox^Wsprint planning. P1 bugs take priority over everything else in the Real World[TM]. Sep 05 09:26:55 What was? Sep 05 09:27:18 GAN800, the blank wiki pages Sep 05 09:27:30 <_marcell_> the empty wiki page loads are most probably caused by the high load on the mysql server Sep 05 09:27:32 Jaffa, waiting on thes server upgrades. Sep 05 09:27:59 but you guys did help me Sep 05 09:28:19 that's a lie Sep 05 09:28:22 I never helped you Sep 05 09:28:33 Working on the server side, but as said I am new Sep 05 09:28:33 _marcell_, what's the httpd? Sep 05 09:28:51 <_marcell_> apache Sep 05 09:29:00 then I highly doubt it Sep 05 09:29:16 Apache's default behaviour is the serve each and every single request Sep 05 09:29:30 <_marcell_> as long as it can Sep 05 09:29:34 no matter if it takes an eternity and a half Sep 05 09:30:33 Plus, if you have PHP setup in a way that it doesn't even tell when the SQL connection was broken, you guys need to start thinking about the word "verbose" Sep 05 09:30:49 If only all of maemo.org worked as well as bugzilla. Sep 05 09:30:57 no Sep 05 09:31:06 if only all of maemo worked as well as ME :D Sep 05 09:31:21 GAN800, isn't it quite late for you? Sep 05 09:31:25 Not at all? :P Sep 05 09:31:26 GAN800, like... 4.30? Sep 05 09:31:27 I'll be back.... Sep 05 09:31:32 5:30 Sep 05 09:31:37 djeezus Sep 05 09:31:43 get yourself to bed, playboy Sep 05 09:31:55 I'm being useless and watching some NOVA special Sep 05 09:32:19 GAN800, you wouldn't have someone in your family called Xavier, btw? Sep 05 09:32:47 No Sep 05 09:33:10 No french family somewhere? Sep 05 09:33:24 Highly unlikely Sep 05 09:33:29 dammit Sep 05 09:33:43 I've got a cousin in Japan at the moment Sep 05 09:33:49 I have this friend, who also happened to be one of my teachers at some point, who's called Xavier Abel Sep 05 09:33:59 I chuckle everytime I see an email from you on the mailing list Sep 05 09:34:43 But the rest of us came over from Scottland/Ireland/Germany/Wales in the 1700s :P Sep 05 09:35:06 oh, you did, did you? Sep 05 09:35:16 I thought you were part of the natives, all that Sep 05 09:35:21 * GAN800 is Highlander Sep 05 09:35:36 Then take that friggin blade of yours and shave yourself Sep 05 09:36:12 Shaky hands, dun wanna lose an ear Sep 05 09:36:26 Not a painting fan then eh? Sep 05 09:36:55 Nah Sep 05 09:36:57 God I sound Canadian when I say that "eh" Sep 05 09:37:37 I actually had a friend try to get his gf to convince me to shave it Sep 05 09:37:59 but she deciced it looked to good when she finally met me. :P Sep 05 09:37:59 ok... Sep 05 09:38:07 s/to/too/ Sep 05 09:38:07 GAN800 meant: but she deciced it looked too good when she finally met me. :P Sep 05 09:38:14 She blind I reckon? Sep 05 09:38:22 Hehe Sep 05 09:39:22 I hate beards Sep 05 09:39:46 h8t3r Sep 05 09:40:02 It's come up to a point I know have to walk around with a straight blade Sep 05 09:40:11 and everytime I see a guy with a beard Sep 05 09:40:15 I cut it off Sep 05 09:40:24 no lubricant, no cream, no pre-shave Sep 05 09:40:36 hardcore hard care Sep 05 09:40:44 * GAN800 'll be carying when you come over here for the next summit. :P Sep 05 09:40:57 "over here"? Next summit in the US? Sep 05 09:41:12 I've decided, yes. Sep 05 09:41:16 oh, ok Sep 05 09:41:30 well, I say we go with the drift of the earth Sep 05 09:41:35 next summit in Asia Sep 05 09:41:41 and the one after that in the US Sep 05 09:44:14 I saw a job, and thought "why not?", until I saw "* Tolerate tight deadlines and stress and alleviate it by applying your strong time management skills" Sep 05 09:44:24 Heh, nice. Sep 05 09:45:11 I mean, most job offers don't care about that, because well, we're quite used to the fact it's going to be stressy and there's going to be shitty deadlines Sep 05 09:45:38 But when they say it... Isn't it like exponentially more extreme? Sep 05 09:46:28 As in, "no reference = normal levels of stress radiations", "explicit warning = probability of death: 100%" Sep 05 09:46:57 'Knives . . . lots and lots of knives' Sep 05 09:48:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_involved Sep 05 09:48:38 Somebody make that cool now. Sep 05 09:50:20 GAN800, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=luGGSdUJ1Pw Sep 05 09:50:42 everybody sing along: "Should I shave or let it grow now?" Sep 05 10:06:24 kad: Sep 05 10:25:40 I just had an epiphany about 5 mins ago re: the next Big Tablet Thing(TM)... now I need to just need to get some backing ;p ;p Sep 05 10:26:51 teamcobra: oh? Sep 05 10:30:16 Jaffa: yeah, a few very useful addons, some are fairly cheap Sep 05 10:31:17 but to be really useful, the actual device would be arm11 based, multiple sound dsps (and could probably sell for a few k, although $500 would be the _sweet_ spot) Sep 05 10:34:05 one of the others is so wickedly easy that I might have a working unit by tomorrow night, and I imagine nokia could sell them for ~$20 (maybe $25 w/ different brackets for the s-series/other smartphones) Sep 05 10:36:12 Going to share? ;-) Sep 05 10:36:43 Can anyone confirm bug #3677 for me, please? Sep 05 10:36:52 Could someone try to add a comment to a product? Sep 05 10:38:42 Jaffa, did I just hear you smack your forehead? Sep 05 10:43:47 <_marcell_> dneary: yep, comments are not displayed after a reload. Sep 05 10:44:07 dneary: confirmed (comment added) Sep 05 10:50:02 ping ? Sep 05 10:50:22 what do you think of this : khertan.net/poubelle/screenshots28.png Sep 05 10:51:21 Khertan_n810, strangely enough, didn't take me to a screenshot ;p Sep 05 10:51:24 bad url? I got the blog here Sep 05 10:51:51 (interesting 404 behaviour :D) Sep 05 10:51:52 khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png Sep 05 10:51:56 oups sorry Sep 05 10:52:17 Khertan, very clean :) Sep 05 10:52:28 Khertan_n810: Oh, that's much better. Sep 05 10:53:01 thx Sep 05 10:53:07 Khertan_n810, does that happen to support ical, or just google calendars? Sep 05 10:53:16 google cal Sep 05 10:53:43 how do u make a sync with an ical file ? Sep 05 10:54:14 Khertan_n810, I will find out for you... I run portal servers by day and they all have built-in ical calendaring ;p Sep 05 10:54:21 Khertan_n810: would also be good if, like the OS X Calendar icon, the number shown was appropriate in the icon. Then you could have the existing flip day thing for day and no label underneath it on the bottom bar; a month-planner type icon (even though it doesn't render like that), superimposed with the week number and a similar one for the month. The last icon's agenda or something isn't it? Not immediately obvious from the clok. Sep 05 10:54:51 Khertan_n810: the other big improvement, if you can't pick up calendar colours from Google Cal (which would be *sooo* cool) is to have alternating rows in different colours in the main view. Sep 05 10:55:30 Khertan_n810: I suppose colours from Google Calendar is only most useful when you've got multiple calendars; until then alternating colours would help break up the list. Sep 05 10:56:01 i plan to make alternate color ... but google color and alternate couldn t be used at the same time Sep 05 10:56:07 Khertan_n810: Oh, that reminds me, totally un-UI related feature request: ability to turn off alarm setting. Sep 05 10:56:21 and processing image take too many time in python Sep 05 10:56:26 but good idea Sep 05 10:56:43 Khertan_n810: indeed; alternate colour if only one calendar and google cal colours if multiple configured (which, they can't be yet ;-)) Sep 05 10:56:48 alarm setting can be turn off in this version Sep 05 10:56:55 Khertan_n810: excellent :-) Sep 05 10:57:17 Khertan_n810: does the 'Add' button add it back up to Google Cal when you sync? Sep 05 10:57:54 ? Sep 05 10:58:40 Khertan_n810: Sorry, badly explained. The plus button on the bottom right adds a new event, n'est pas? If the user adds an event, will it be added to the Google Calendar when they sync, or is it purely local? Sep 05 10:58:44 Jaffa: don t understand the question Sep 05 10:59:02 no it s added at sync Sep 05 10:59:08 Cool Sep 05 10:59:20 it s a two way full sync Sep 05 10:59:46 the only thing at this time that is not sync is the 'who' Sep 05 10:59:59 participants Sep 05 11:00:20 but it s planned Sep 05 11:15:45 Khertan_n810, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gdeskcal <--- another pygtk project, and if google didn't fail me, supports ical ;) Sep 05 11:16:33 i ll take a look Sep 05 11:20:28 pycage.de currently offline Sep 05 11:20:29 meh Sep 05 11:22:33 does last.fm scrobbling work with default media player? the control panel applet says: Status: Awaiting, but doesn't scrobble tracks. Sep 05 11:22:45 Khertan_n810, sweet, I'm not much of a coder myself, but I am learning pygame now to make an app :) the only 2 languages I really know are basic and x86 asm, but I'll have fun :) Sep 05 11:23:41 * lcuk has voted Sep 05 11:24:39 jaffa, i see others are trying vala on the device :) its good to know Sep 05 11:25:25 lcuk: cool & cool. Sep 05 11:26:29 ive been pondering seeing which languages come closest to native c in compilation speed Sep 05 11:27:11 ustunozgur: nope. it only works on 3rd party players Sep 05 11:27:27 ustunozgur: the default media player is not announcing what is being played Sep 05 11:29:00 konttori: ah, ok, but I remember it used to do that too. maybe in os 2007 I don't know. So, as it is, it is not much useful, is it? canola already has scrobbling in it. Sep 05 11:40:26 * lcuk shivers Sep 05 11:44:37 djeezus, people, stop using a ass backwards language on a sub-power device Sep 05 11:45:08 teamcobra, I'm sure you love it python is close to your nickname, but please, learn a real language Sep 05 11:45:46 nothing wrong with python :P hiya btw Sep 05 11:45:57 hey bro Sep 05 11:45:59 * lcuk was considering putting a python interface in Sep 05 11:46:07 and yeah, there's something wrong with python Sep 05 11:46:08 it's slow Sep 05 11:46:13 it's dog slow Sep 05 11:46:43 it's memory inefficient, it's bloathed, I mean, the only thing that's positive about it is that it has very decent OO concepts Sep 05 11:46:55 no, people are trying to use python for a full language, it should be used as glue to bind the high performance optimized libraries together Sep 05 11:47:07 I can understand that Sep 05 11:47:09 (ie, gtk to sqlite etc Sep 05 11:47:15 Indeed, python would be awesome for that Sep 05 11:47:27 but it's like OO in PHP. People don't get it. Sep 05 11:47:37 You give someone a great tool, and they bastardise it Sep 05 11:47:45 there are many levels of oo Sep 05 11:47:49 :D Sep 05 11:48:05 In french, it's "POO" Sep 05 11:48:45 strangely enough, its the same in english :D Sep 05 11:48:46 caio1982, lemme guess, you're 26yo Sep 05 11:49:19 hows london life? Sep 05 11:49:33 shitty expensive, I'm broke Sep 05 11:50:03 boo hiss, any progression? Sep 05 11:50:10 hmm, if they're just going to use Python as glue, why not use asm instead Sep 05 11:50:13 overdrawn quite a bit, called a friend, told him he could have my drumkit for 1400euro, took it immediately Sep 05 11:50:30 lardman, because ASM isn't as high level? Sep 05 11:50:45 lardman :D asm would need compilation (unless you are saying write raw binary?) Sep 05 11:50:48 well bond lines should be as thin as possible to avoid weakness Sep 05 11:50:58 ;) Sep 05 11:51:09 101011011010110110110101101001011010111010101101 < barcode->isbn website lookup Sep 05 11:51:17 ideal Sep 05 11:51:30 well someone has to compile the components you link together of course Sep 05 11:51:30 I always had the conception "stronger links = bigger, not thinner" Sep 05 11:51:42 well we were talking about glue Sep 05 11:52:07 lcuk, I made git crash Sep 05 11:52:11 a scripting language doesnt need to be fast because it doesnt do the hard processing: there is a need for a decent language on every machine:: from amiga with arexx, to windows with vbscript Sep 05 11:52:17 and maemo with python Sep 05 11:52:27 crashanddie, you make everything crash Sep 05 11:52:32 lcuk: don't worry, I was taking the mick Sep 05 11:52:54 phew! Sep 05 11:52:58 :) Sep 05 11:53:03 lcuk, I made too much changes in CR, git shat itself severely, diff couldn't keep track of all the changes, it just said "6 new files, 4 removed" Sep 05 11:53:42 I had to create a new repo and pull from the old one Sep 05 11:53:54 oh wow, the irony Sep 05 11:53:58 thats normal isnt it, if you make major structural underlying changes so file1 != file2 by a large majority, doesnt diff just give up and replace the file? Sep 05 11:54:04 _marcell_, Jaffa (post-lunch): Thanks! Sep 05 11:54:23 Do you see your comments when navigating to the product afterwards? Sep 05 11:54:27 \o hi dneary, thanks for fixing i managed to vote Sep 05 11:54:36 * lcuk bites his tongue Sep 05 11:54:38 I had voted before the change Sep 05 11:54:48 lcuk, the whole point of git is that it tracks content, not files. Sep 05 11:54:53 lcuk: You're welcome Sep 05 11:54:58 Who'd you vote for? ;) Sep 05 11:55:02 crashanddie, speak to linus ;) Sep 05 11:55:16 nha, he never answers my mails with bug reports Sep 05 11:55:25 and suddenly 2 or 3 versions later, the patch is integrated Sep 05 11:55:25 dneary: exit polls? ;) Sep 05 11:55:34 dneary, I voted for all of them Sep 05 11:55:44 dneary - i filled in the write in participant, we are getting the stay puffed marshmallow man to be head of maemo Sep 05 11:55:56 crashanddie: really? You managed to do that? Sep 05 11:56:50 dneary, you shouldn't have activated simultaneous queries in MySQL, the queries aren't write protected from each other. Sep 05 11:56:50 lcuk: you weren't voting for the head, just the committee members - the head is decided by a game of thumb-master between the chosen few Sep 05 11:57:13 crashanddie: I don't understand... Sep 05 11:57:27 dneary, in other words, if you issue 10 queries in the time it takes to finish the first, all 10 get executed, I don't know if it worked, but I didn't get an error message Sep 05 11:57:39 You opened 5 browsers and submitted all of them at the same time? Sep 05 11:58:07 no I'm just shitting with ya, but yeah, technically it's feasible cuz the maemo.org server has simult queries enabled, from what I can tell Sep 05 11:58:20 (I didn't do anything, don't worry) Sep 05 11:58:21 lardman, it would be more informative to invite all the committee members to do battle in takeshi's castle Sep 05 11:58:35 dneary, I'm just saying, you should implement it with transactions Sep 05 11:58:36 lol, that sounds like it would be fun Sep 05 11:58:44 (to watch rather than do!) Sep 05 11:58:50 crashanddie: We did, I think Sep 05 11:59:07 dneary, oh? I'll have to review the code then, I must have missed something Sep 05 11:59:12 crashanddie, well, I am open to other suggestions, but it is going to be sdl based Sep 05 11:59:18 crashanddie, you login and are given a token whilst at the same time have your login token removed (from what i understood) Sep 05 11:59:20 so I'm on -dev and -community (and here) but I haven't heard anything from any of the candidates apart from the initial "I'm standing" statements Sep 05 11:59:22 teamcobra, C ! C++! Sep 05 11:59:37 lbt, it's on the wiki Sep 05 11:59:44 in step4-commit.pp Sep 05 11:59:46 php Sep 05 11:59:52 lbt, there's a special wiki page with all their presentations, and you can ask questions to them Sep 05 11:59:52 function step4_do Sep 05 12:00:00 $res = elec_sql_start_transaction ($handle); Sep 05 12:00:02 ... Sep 05 12:00:06 did I miss an email about it? Sep 05 12:00:08 lbt: I just said how we'd elect a chairman ;) Sep 05 12:00:08 crash: I'll think about it Sep 05 12:00:12 dneary, i thought it was 2 distinct steps - you get a random token from your login, which is then used as voting Sep 05 12:00:17 but you can only login once Sep 05 12:00:17 $res = elec_insert_new_vote ($handle, $anon_token_id, $vote); Sep 05 12:00:18 ... Sep 05 12:00:26 maybe i read it wrong Sep 05 12:00:27 $res = elec_insert_new_vote ($handle, $anon_token_id, $vote); Sep 05 12:00:31 dneary, there's just something I didn't understand Sep 05 12:00:38 ... Sep 05 12:00:42 dneary, why the hell ask the person's email address? Sep 05 12:00:44 lbt: what did you want to hear from us? Sep 05 12:00:48 $res = elec_sql_remove_tmp_token ($handle, $election_id, $email, $tmp_token); Sep 05 12:00:51 I mean, the anon token should've been sufficient, right, Sep 05 12:00:52 ? Sep 05 12:00:55 ... Sep 05 12:00:57 $res = elec_sql_commit ($handle); Sep 05 12:01:03 dneary, ok, we got it Sep 05 12:01:10 crashanddie: Entropy Sep 05 12:01:19 Ensuring against random string attacks Sep 05 12:01:42 ok, how long is the string? How many different chars? Sep 05 12:01:46 We cross check the elector's identity and the code Sep 05 12:01:58 10, with a 62 character alphabet Sep 05 12:02:07 ok Sep 05 12:02:09 62^10 possibilities Sep 05 12:02:28 what are the chances they find one at random? Sep 05 12:02:35 But with a 12,000 electorate, a non-zero possibility that two people would get the same temp token Sep 05 12:02:36 How many have been issued? Sep 05 12:02:57 And a 62^10/12000 probability of randomly hitting a real anon token Sep 05 12:03:26 why are these tokens not timelocked? Sep 05 12:03:29 or are they? Sep 05 12:03:43 then it doesnt matter about how random ot not they are, they simply expire Sep 05 12:03:50 ok, so that's just 1 in 69,941,613,822,361 Sep 05 12:03:53 They are connected to the election Sep 05 12:04:00 They're regenerated for each election Sep 05 12:04:02 quite frankly, I think the odds are pretty good :D Sep 05 12:04:13 yes, but their use in choosing a candidate should be limited Sep 05 12:04:17 Since the election time lapses, the codes do too Sep 05 12:04:21 crashanddie: Really? Sep 05 12:04:26 yeah Sep 05 12:04:37 62^10/12000 is a number close to 1 Sep 05 12:04:44 wut? Sep 05 12:04:46 for a computer with no IDS, yes thats quite a good lottery to be in Sep 05 12:05:20 dneary, 62^10 = 839,299,365,868,340,224 Sep 05 12:05:23 Uh... operator precedence... / is lower than ^ Sep 05 12:05:26 My bad Sep 05 12:05:38 62^10/12000 Sep 05 12:05:38 69941613822361 Sep 05 12:05:38 62^(10/12000) Sep 05 12:05:38 1 Sep 05 12:05:42 lol Sep 05 12:05:57 (it was a geek joke gone bad) Sep 05 12:06:04 62^10/12000 is a number close to 62^6 Sep 05 12:06:27 which is still reasonably large Sep 05 12:06:34 yeah, quite Sep 05 12:06:40 ok, before we get sidetracked: is crashanddie's assertion that he voted multiple times valid? Sep 05 12:06:51 lcuk, no Sep 05 12:06:54 lcuk: no he was taking the mick too Sep 05 12:07:11 hello Sep 05 12:07:17 lbt: are you David? Sep 05 12:07:19 lcuk, last time I checked there weren't any transactions Sep 05 12:07:36 anyone here successfully tried using gizmo with the default sip client that comes with n810? Sep 05 12:07:45 lcuk, so it would have been possible in a very specific environment Sep 05 12:07:57 i can get voice calls working one-way (sometimes two-way) but the quality is pretty low Sep 05 12:08:08 also, no contact list (which i suppose has to be xmpp?) Sep 05 12:08:09 pppoe_dude, I don't use gizmo, but I use SIP successfully, yeah Sep 05 12:08:11 crashanddie, actually there are: dneary just posted the flow Sep 05 12:08:21 crashanddie, which sip service do you use?" Sep 05 12:08:30 pppoe_dude, french ISP, "Free" Sep 05 12:08:35 ahok Sep 05 12:09:01 thing is i have all my sip geogrphical phone numbers with gizmo Sep 05 12:09:01 lardman, yes he is Sep 05 12:09:08 maybe i'll switch when they expire Sep 05 12:09:11 (and yes, before you ask, it is illegal to use a SIP account as a means to call to France for free from the UK, they just haven't spotted me (yet)) Sep 05 12:09:17 lcuk: ok, thanks, just wondering Sep 05 12:10:08 crashanddie, illegal? Sep 05 12:10:09 why Sep 05 12:10:24 lcuk, yeah, I know there are transactions *now*, but the voting software I checked hadn't implemented them yet Sep 05 12:10:57 pppoe_dude, because it's supposed to be a service for people *in france*, who live *in france*, and who have an account with that ISP *in france* Sep 05 12:11:16 ah ok Sep 05 12:11:23 * melmoth wave a french flag Sep 05 12:11:32 * crashanddie puts it on fire Sep 05 12:12:09 i have a tiny ding on my nokia n810 Sep 05 12:12:11 crashanddie, you will be on the Edvige database Sep 05 12:12:12 :( Sep 05 12:12:23 very tiny, but there nonetheless... i think it hapened when i dropped it the other day Sep 05 12:12:25 lcuk, eh? Sep 05 12:12:57 pppoe_dude, my missus put mine on desk and leaned on it with elbow - the blood went from my face. your ding is minor :P (I notice this because that areas of touch is now not sensitive to finger Sep 05 12:12:59 ah, I'm already on it Sep 05 12:13:10 crashanddie: the now official name of the rg database. Sep 05 12:13:14 http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/08/09/05/0059220.shtml Sep 05 12:13:15 lcuk, ah i see Sep 05 12:13:20 lcuk, was it an n810? Sep 05 12:13:30 yer Sep 05 12:13:37 ah. well, my condolences haha Sep 05 12:13:46 mine is purely cosmetic Sep 05 12:13:55 and last time i dropped my 810 thankfully the slideout keyboard acted as a shockabsorber Sep 05 12:13:58 but also, my n810 is only about 2 months old Sep 05 12:14:14 so i feel a bit bad about it. but I will get over it haha Sep 05 12:14:16 omg internet getting slow (really slow i cant see what im typing, im gonna close this back later on ) Sep 05 12:14:34 lardman|lunch: yes, I'm David :) Sep 05 12:14:52 you know what the n810 can use? Sep 05 12:14:57 a little speaker like on a phone Sep 05 12:15:10 like a privacy speaker Sep 05 12:15:17 hmm, i was able to recover my tablet from wsod state without reflashing :) Sep 05 12:15:30 pppoe_dude, they call that earphones Sep 05 12:15:44 crashanddie, yes but they aren't always handy Sep 05 12:15:55 I think they're quite eary Sep 05 12:15:59 but that is a solution Sep 05 12:16:30 i wish gizmo would integrate well with the default sip client Sep 05 12:16:41 that way i can still get all the nice notifications and things Sep 05 12:16:43 pppoe_dude, it's not a phone, no point in adding a phone speaker just for kicks Sep 05 12:16:55 crashanddie, i realise that Sep 05 12:17:34 i do use it like a phone tho Sep 05 12:17:41 quite frquently Sep 05 12:18:18 with ear phones coz they're more comfortable Sep 05 12:18:45 is there a nice organiser program other than gpe calendar? Sep 05 12:20:09 i would like to try ubuntu mobile if/when it becomes available Sep 05 12:20:12 that should be a bit exciting Sep 05 12:20:49 pppoe_dude, there might be a nice agenda popping up one of these days, stay tuned ;) Sep 05 12:22:21 Hey guys Sep 05 12:22:35 and girls if there are any Sep 05 12:23:14 lo andrewfblack Sep 05 12:23:38 * Jaffa always gets confused cos his work uid is 'andrewf' Sep 05 12:24:06 lol whats your middle name? Sep 05 12:25:22 andrewf kinda sounds like someone who has a serious speaking deficiency Sep 05 12:26:04 like the guy who just got bitchslapped and bit his tongue, and tries to call someone in the hallway "ANDREwf" Sep 05 12:26:22 lol Sep 05 12:26:55 I used to use like 20 names but now I'm to the point were I just use my real name as logins lol Sep 05 12:29:54 andrewfblack: James Sep 05 12:30:38 ahh just noticed the F is your surname initial and not your middle name lol Sep 05 12:30:46 Indeed. Sep 05 12:31:53 Any German speakers here? I've got my train ticket to Berlin for the summit and there's a bit where it says about my seat reservation: "1 Sitzplatz, Wg. 24, Pl. 76, 1 Fenster, Tisch, Nichtraucher" Sep 05 12:32:21 I'm guessing: 1 seat, wagon (i.e. coach) 24, place (i.e. seat) 76, 1 window, table, no-smoking? Sep 05 12:33:24 Jaffa, you are correct Sep 05 12:33:53 crashanddie: cool, thanks. Oh for the summit to be in the UK - or even France where I can at least get by ;-) Sep 05 12:34:04 Berlin'll be cool though: never been before. Sep 05 12:34:12 I won't make it to the Summit Sep 05 12:34:25 I was really really really looking forward to get there Sep 05 12:34:39 but it's just not gonna happen, from where I'm standing Sep 05 12:34:58 Doh :( Sep 05 12:35:38 Yeah Sep 05 12:36:18 if I land a job between this and the summit, I might just go crazy and come anyway Sep 05 12:36:40 Still looking in the UK/London? Sep 05 12:36:42 But considering I had to sell my drumkit to keep living, well, that kinda says a lot Sep 05 12:40:40 crashanddie, you're not the only one :/ Sep 05 12:41:13 yeah, but I'm awesome, the Summit's not going to be great without me ! Sep 05 12:41:47 I mean, seriously ! I hope you guys slap Quim for not giving me the financial aid :P Sep 05 12:42:09 well, I'm installing deblet.... didn't frag on the reflash ;) Sep 05 12:44:24 now I just have to keep myself out of trouble, which may be difficult w/ a full-blown lenny install ;p Sep 05 12:46:48 crashanddie don't feel bad I have a job but still can't go to summit Sep 05 12:49:37 * Jaffa emails an old friend in Berlin suggesting a catch-up and him acting as a night-life guide for a bunch of drunken geeks. Sep 05 12:49:52 brb, having a smoke (and turning the damned tv off, U.S. Politics = The Worst(TM) Sep 05 12:50:46 I know a girl that lives in Berlin...... supposed to visit her this summer, going to .nl first with my Mom (believe it or not!!) Sep 05 12:51:18 will be the vacation to end all vacations........ not sure if I'll come back ;p Sep 05 12:51:44 teamcobra: coming to the summit? Sep 05 12:53:05 Jaffa: nop :( helping watch a family member until he gets into an assisted living place Sep 05 12:53:48 I'll have to make it to the 2009, barring a Gradius Laser Shot to the head Sep 05 12:54:49 the Maemo in Police Cars presentation sounds a bit terrifying, btw ;) Sep 05 12:54:56 teamcobra: sounds like what you're doing's more important, FWIW Sep 05 12:55:53 Jaffa: yeah, I try to look at it that way :) are there plans to put the pdfs/presentation slides online after the summit? Sep 05 12:57:05 teamcobra: and videos Sep 05 12:57:18 * Jaffa 'll have to practice his happy voice Sep 05 12:57:22 and at least w/ irc/twitter/etc it can't be _too_ hard to see how it goes Sep 05 12:57:43 Indeed Sep 05 12:58:17 sweet, if you need help w/ anything in that regard, lemme know.... a/v is my specialty :) Sep 05 12:59:22 teamcobra: some stuff on here about it http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Marketing_.26_coverage Sep 05 12:59:26 what do i do if i forgot who i voted for *rolleyes* Sep 05 12:59:36 lcuk: tough? ;-) Sep 05 13:00:28 i know theres nothin i can do abouti it (not that i would wanna anyway) i trust myself to have done it right, and its quite democratic that i cannot tell anyone, but i should at least remember myself ;) Sep 05 13:00:52 * lcuk is havin a blonde day Sep 05 13:01:01 summit is in berlin right? Sep 05 13:01:16 berlin centre i think Sep 05 13:02:02 I was just wondering how much it would have cost me to fly there if I wanted to lol Sep 05 13:02:18 andrewfblack: Yep. Berlin. Somewhere called 'C-Base', in the Mitte bit in the middle. Sep 05 13:02:51 andrewfblack, im sure you cant fly directly there, you would have to stop at one of the designated airports Sep 05 13:03:24 lcuk: he could have a jet pack (Superman wouldn't have to pay to use his flying ability, so must be something which consumes fuel) Sep 05 13:03:28 get onto travel agents site and see what you need Sep 05 13:03:42 don't worry, Summit 2009 will have Vacuum Tubes Sep 05 13:03:50 and Ted Stevens Sep 05 13:03:58 I would have to make 2 stops to get there and would cost between $920 and $5400 a ticket and I would need 2 lol Sep 05 13:04:05 wow Sep 05 13:04:12 thats flying coach Sep 05 13:04:33 _ouch_ Sep 05 13:05:13 mis counted I have to change planes 5 times for those prices Sep 05 13:05:40 no wrong again its 2 chagnes going and 3 coming back Sep 05 13:05:47 so 5 total for round trip Sep 05 13:06:30 ouchy Sep 05 13:06:32 24 hours total travel time with lay over yeah I wouldn't want to make that trip if I could aford it Sep 05 13:06:51 i have 2 flights there and 2 flights back Sep 05 13:06:57 (had to vanish sorry) Sep 05 13:07:10 manchester to somewhere in germany on a minibus Sep 05 13:07:34 * lcuk gets to see a variety of different aircraft Sep 05 13:07:57 I can't edit anything in the maemo wiki, my login always expire when I click in any link, anyone experiencing a similar behaviour ? Sep 05 13:08:00 how many for you jaffa? or are you gettin a private helicopter? Sep 05 13:08:16 just for shits and giggles I check First class prices since it is a 24 hours total flight for me. $13627 for each of my two ticktes I would need lol Sep 05 13:08:26 * Jaffa has to drive from Rugby to Dover; ferry to Dunkirk; drive to Arnhem in .nl for 2 nights with in-laws; drive to Essen on the 16th; 5 hour train to Berlin. Relax/drink/think at conference and then return on the Saturday to Apeldoorn Sep 05 13:09:01 again, via train. On the Monday drive from Arnhem back to Rugby. Sep 05 13:09:02 omg jaffa, i forgot about your marathon european roadtrip Sep 05 13:09:14 :) Sep 05 13:09:17 Jaffa: taking pictures? that sounds like a wicked road trip Sep 05 13:09:28 "Hopefully" I won't lose my mother-in-law en route ;-) Sep 05 13:09:28 andrewfblack, at that price, bring a guest Sep 05 13:09:34 hahahaha Sep 05 13:09:59 The train from .nl to .de is supposed to be quite impressive in terms of landscape and stuff. I imagine I'll be hacking on mud, mediaserv, tablet-encode and my presentations tho' Sep 05 13:10:39 seen Sep 05 13:10:39 lcuk well if I went I would have to bring my wife I mean she uses my Nokia as much as I do. so that would be $27,254 for my plane tickets I wonder what the average income in hte US is lol Sep 05 13:11:08 andrew: at that point, you could buy her her own nokia ;) Sep 05 13:11:22 or start a small fab of your own :p Sep 05 13:12:55 andrewfblack, cobra is right, get her her own nokia, and since then you have too much luggage, you will have to get your nokias their own seat Sep 05 13:13:02 for $28,000 or even the $10 for coach I would just host my own Maemo Summit in the Us lol Sep 05 13:13:17 andrew: and use point-to-point video ;) Sep 05 13:13:41 n810 hi def video conferenscing Sep 05 13:14:02 (not a _bad_ idea for the next summit, but you don't want to fragment it too much by having everyone in different places, then you may as well just have an Ekiga Summit ;p ;p) Sep 05 13:14:09 $28k for a airplane ticket? How many people are you taking with you? Sep 05 13:14:11 * lcuk will finish that soon Sep 05 13:14:28 crashanddie thats 2 people if we fly first class Sep 05 13:14:37 Oh come on Sep 05 13:14:47 I've seen transatlantic flights at $600 a piece Sep 05 13:14:59 crashanddie, he lives in a small atoll in the south pacific Sep 05 13:15:02 I'm not joking go to orbits and put in Dothan, AL to Berlin Sep 05 13:15:09 they have to build a floating runway Sep 05 13:15:14 lol Sep 05 13:15:21 hahahaha Sep 05 13:15:29 yeah well, don't complain about not being able to come then Sep 05 13:15:30 I could fly for as low as $920 a ticket for coach with 3 stops Sep 05 13:15:38 then do it Sep 05 13:15:44 and 4 dvt's Sep 05 13:15:53 $920 is still to much for me Sep 05 13:15:59 I mean, there's a huge difference between $2k for you and your wife, and $28k Sep 05 13:16:12 I'd even go as far as to say the difference is around $26k Sep 05 13:16:14 andrewfblack: from where to where? Sep 05 13:16:19 yer, aboput that different - put it in my account Sep 05 13:16:26 k thx bye Sep 05 13:16:32 from dothan, al to Berlin Sep 05 13:16:43 where is dothan? Sep 05 13:16:48 USA Sep 05 13:17:09 andrewfblack, it would cost me some £300 back and forth, booze and hostel included Sep 05 13:17:30 they have beer in germany? Sep 05 13:17:35 crashanddie your already on that side of the world Sep 05 13:18:06 lcuk, I think they just started to brew some, yeah Sep 05 13:18:14 andrewfblack, it costs $30 to go to kmart and buy a rubber boat Sep 05 13:18:30 w00t, i hope its fermented in time Sep 05 13:18:38 Hey are Airlines charging you guys over there for bags now in the US its $15 for first bag and upto $50 for second Sep 05 13:18:46 lcuk, he's on an island, like US, err, I mean, like us, so everything's 30% more expensive Sep 05 13:18:58 andrewfblack, yeah, same here Sep 05 13:19:13 the next nit needs a hole drilled into the stylus holder (to facilitate tying the !@$@! stylus to the tablet) Sep 05 13:19:21 they charge us by weight Sep 05 13:19:22 lcuk: or maybe catch an weather balloon and try to get to the jet streams :) Sep 05 13:19:36 andrewfblack, back in the day, you'd get like 20kg for free... Now You have to pay for the first 15kg... And then it's 21euro per kg above Sep 05 13:19:46 teamcobra, lost yours? Sep 05 13:20:09 just found it again.... but the thing is, I'll pull it out, use it, put it in my lap, and then stand up Sep 05 13:20:13 teamcobra, why not just put it back in everytime you put it down? Sep 05 13:20:22 do what i do: never ever ever ever take it out opf the case - i use an old stylus from somewhere else and dont touch the proper one Sep 05 13:20:47 crashanddie, I make a valiant effort (I still have my orig. 2), but sometimes things hit the fan and I need to run across the house Sep 05 13:20:56 teamcobra, read this: Sep 05 13:20:57 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-02-29.log.html Sep 05 13:21:04 yeah, I was thinking of getting some NDS stylii Sep 05 13:21:35 HAHAHAH, wow ;) Sep 05 13:21:36 i have not taken my stylus out of its hole since that day :) Sep 05 13:21:47 GeneralAntilles, can you give me a small help with the wiki issue ? Sep 05 13:22:32 back later anyways Sep 05 13:22:44 (lcuk) i have not taken my stylus out of its hole since that day Sep 05 13:22:45 so quoted Sep 05 13:22:57 I still have both my stylus but one day I'm going to get around to making a mold of them and make some extras incase I lose them Sep 05 13:23:27 is there a way to turn off the power saving on the 810? my wlan cuts out, even though idle time is set to unlimited Sep 05 13:23:39 lcuk, just got offered a PHP job in Cambridge/Oxford/Central London, pick one Sep 05 13:24:17 the only way to keep it from cutting out after being idle for 5min or so, is to constantly ping something in an xterm :/ not fun for large scp transfers, etc Sep 05 13:24:50 andrew: make a mold and have emachineshop.com make like 10000 ;p Sep 05 13:24:53 crashanddie: Central London should pay at least twice anything else. Cambridge has a large number of tech firms. Oxford's a bit meh Sep 05 13:25:05 crashanddie: Driving to the centre of Oxford is a pain and parking is expensive Sep 05 13:26:33 I should make a custom I went to the Maemo 2008 Summit Theme for everyone who is going Sep 05 13:27:19 and make another batch "i missed the maemo summit and im gutted" Sep 05 13:27:40 crashanddie, what jaffa says (he know everything) Sep 05 13:27:52 lcuk: someone said that in a team meeting yesterday. Worrying. Sep 05 13:28:09 he knows, know your mother-tongue Sep 05 13:28:15 jaffa? said what - they were gutted Sep 05 13:28:32 i cant do anything since i cant see what im typing Sep 05 13:28:39 lcuk: no, I knew all Sep 05 13:28:42 then stop typing Sep 05 13:28:50 crashanddie: Central London would be quite handy, I imagine. Sep 05 13:28:50 vnc is ultra slow today, tracy has started some downloads off Sep 05 13:29:06 lcuk, internet is dog slow here too Sep 05 13:29:21 might be virgin itself then Sep 05 13:35:00 nvm, disabled PSM for my home connection Sep 05 13:38:43 hi, anyone up to maemo-qt4 around? just wondering whether repository.maemo.org's extras-devel pool for diablo is under update or broken atm? getting size mismatchs for a lot of packages Sep 05 13:39:35 libqtcore4, libqt4-network, libqt4-assistant, libqt4-dbus, libqtgui4 and libqt4-test at least Sep 05 13:51:10 heh, N800 experience of the day - eldery man asking me what exactly it is, if you can go on the internet with it.. i explain a bit it's a computer, etc.. and he asks if he can print from it too Sep 05 13:53:31 lol Sep 05 13:53:45 would be nice if it had a little thermal printer Sep 05 13:55:18 well i think people shouldnt underestimate the value of the tablets for elderly Sep 05 13:57:30 Anyone got Friday afternoon boredom and fancy looking at a malloc problem? Sep 05 13:58:28 I'm not bored, and it's Friday morning here still, but sure, where are you at? Sep 05 13:58:51 right, it appears that malloc() on the dsp returns 1 when it fails Sep 05 13:59:09 I tested this by trying to allocate 10000 bytes, and it failed, returning 1 Sep 05 13:59:43 maybe it has another definition of NULL? :P Sep 05 13:59:53 no, NULL is actually 0 Sep 05 13:59:58 (yes, weird things like that -has- been seen on OS'es :P) Sep 05 14:00:03 strange but there we go, it is a DSP after all ;) Sep 05 14:00:09 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5ad316c5 is the debugging output Sep 05 14:00:51 on l186 I test to see what NULL produces, and then try some mallocs for different sizes Sep 05 14:01:11 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mk2-use-malloc-sparse-buffers/dsp/codebook.c?revision=31&root=dsp-tremor&view=markup is the code in question Sep 05 14:01:29 scroll down to the comment "// some malloc test code here!" Sep 05 14:03:09 now the confusing thing is that the code was originally failing to allocate "work", which was to be 28 bytes in size (according to the output), (line 191), but I can successfully allocate this in the test mallocs Sep 05 14:03:33 so am I missing something obvious (been staring at this code for far too long!) Sep 05 14:03:34 ? Sep 05 14:03:35 This has nothing to do with anything you guys are talking about but you know I love GIMP I have been using Photoshop for years since like version 5 I think it was. I just started using GIMP Portable on my thumb drive at work so I can get some work on my Themes done, and I love it I have no use for Photoshop anymore Sep 05 14:04:26 lardman: so am i understanding the code correctly as in you're taking the malloced pointer, convert it to a 32 bit integer and start manipulating it? Sep 05 14:05:14 er, or well, actually try to print it Sep 05 14:05:42 (sorry, long day at meetings :P) Sep 05 14:06:02 Stskeeps: just so I can output it, yes Sep 05 14:06:10 this also has nothing to do with anything, but the same place that I got my 810 from this summer @ $299 is now charging $389! wow Sep 05 14:06:13 Stskeeps: the dbg() fn can only handle 16bit data types Sep 05 14:06:38 or rather <=16bit Sep 05 14:07:07 lardman, have you guys been allowed to vote? Sep 05 14:07:21 yep Sep 05 14:07:25 lardman: well what is _ogg_malloc defined as? Sep 05 14:07:32 malloc Sep 05 14:07:44 teamcobra I wish I would have gotten mine for $389 Sep 05 14:08:24 lardman: as in usual C malloc or what? Sep 05 14:08:46 libc, that is Sep 05 14:08:58 not libc, but similar Sep 05 14:09:07 I thought $299 was going to be a new price and that the n9xx was on its way, but (very) glad I sprung for it :D Sep 05 14:09:14 lardman: ah, so from the dsp Sep 05 14:09:22 Stskeeps: yep Sep 05 14:09:57 lardman: Your malloc had already failed at that point. Sep 05 14:10:11 Lines 187 through 190 are all the same. Sep 05 14:10:22 Oh, no, wait, you have free's inbetween. Sep 05 14:10:24 Sorry. Sep 05 14:10:58 [279680.992187] vorbis_book_unpack: lengthlist malloc; lengtlist=[65535,127] Sep 05 14:10:58 [279680.992187] vorbis_book_unpack: lengthlist malloc; lengtlist=[65535,127] Sep 05 14:11:01 andrew: that extra time you got out of yours made up for it, I'm sure.... I've only had mine for about 2 months, and it's always within arm's reach at max ;) Sep 05 14:11:03 (sorry for double paste) Sep 05 14:11:08 happens before the actual crash Sep 05 14:11:08 Though 0x7FFFFF is a very suspicious address. Sep 05 14:11:24 maybe they're returning (void *) -1? Sep 05 14:11:35 Maybe. Sep 05 14:12:01 teamcobra I got mine about 6 months ago I got it right before the price started dropping I should have waited a few weeks Sep 05 14:12:23 stskeeps: is there an easy way to remove the dropbear ssh server + telnet server from nit-debian after install? Sep 05 14:12:28 andrew: d'oh Sep 05 14:12:50 teamcobra: eh.. nit-debian or deblet? i assume you use newest :P you mean the usb telnet one? Sep 05 14:12:53 yes Sep 05 14:13:00 ahh, deblet Sep 05 14:13:00 dpkg --remove usbnet-emergency-telnetd i think it's called Sep 05 14:13:02 newest Sep 05 14:13:07 derf: hmm, yes, that would appear to be more like a fail message Sep 05 14:13:08 sweet, thanks :D Sep 05 14:13:27 i'm probably going to make the emergency console thing be a hold-down-key thing or whatever Sep 05 14:13:39 I should probably have not freed the memory until the end of the block Sep 05 14:14:03 it freaked me out when it extracted the emergency telnet server, thought it just untarred something... walking around w/ a telnet server + fail Sep 05 14:14:06 erm, = fail Sep 05 14:14:10 teamcobra: it only listens on usb0 Sep 05 14:14:19 (yes, i thought about that) Sep 05 14:14:30 derf: actually that must be wrong, as lengthlist shouldn't be freed by the time i get to my test mallocs Sep 05 14:14:30 * teamcobra applauds Sep 05 14:14:37 lardman: Right. Sep 05 14:15:12 So you're trying to debug things well after they initially broke. Sep 05 14:15:18 apparently Sep 05 14:15:49 strange that I can get either 1 or 0x7FFFFF, though the former may be because the latter address has been used and screwed things up Sep 05 14:15:52 teamcobra: so any first impressions on deblet else? Sep 05 14:15:57 well, if all goes well, I'll have the gnome-basic environment set up soon (apt-getting the 2nd set of packages) Sep 05 14:16:04 lardman https://trac.xiph.org/ticket/182 Sep 05 14:16:09 can;t comment yet, figured I'd ask while you were around :) Sep 05 14:16:31 lardman: maybe you get a NULL somewhere and 1 is the way the malloc tells you "damn you, you should have seen the OOM already" Sep 05 14:16:34 :P Sep 05 14:16:43 "so die die die" Sep 05 14:16:57 lo qwerty12 Sep 05 14:17:07 'ello Stskeeps Sep 05 14:17:17 w00t, the weekend iz here Sep 05 14:17:35 * Stskeeps wonders what to hack on today Sep 05 14:18:36 what's 0x7fffff as a signed int? Sep 05 14:18:40 sts, does right click work in xfce as well, or just gnome (out of curiousity)? Sep 05 14:18:42 -1 i think Sep 05 14:18:44 teamcobra: yeah Sep 05 14:18:49 libgtkstylus is included in both Sep 05 14:18:51 Stskeeps: yeah, that was what I thought Sep 05 14:19:12 teamcobra: works in lxde too :P Sep 05 14:19:30 lcuk: thanks, will take a look at that Sep 05 14:19:33 Sts: gwinning, gwinning, gwinning! :) Sep 05 14:19:39 lardman: 8388607. Sep 05 14:19:43 lardman, read that bug report, it talks about masking and alignments and subtracting 1s from things i believe Sep 05 14:20:02 I haven't used lxde yet.... looking @ their homepage, it looks pretty nice Sep 05 14:20:06 all related to _ogg_malloc Sep 05 14:20:17 derf: that's unsigned though isn't it? Sep 05 14:20:33 lardman: It doesn't have a sign bit set. Sep 05 14:20:41 Unless you mean as a 23 bit number, and who would use that? Sep 05 14:20:53 well the pointer is actually 23bit Sep 05 14:20:57 (in which case it's -1) Sep 05 14:20:57 iirc Sep 05 14:21:04 yeah, ok so it's a failure Sep 05 14:21:39 I thought we already said that? Sep 05 14:22:10 teamcobra: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde.png Sep 05 14:22:11 yeah, just making sure ;) Sep 05 14:22:17 teamcobra: (we're still working on this environment.) Sep 05 14:23:22 * teamcobra is speechless Sep 05 14:23:33 what needs to be done? that looks _perfect_ Sep 05 14:23:46 as in, how can I help? :) Sep 05 14:24:14 brightness app (done - http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-brightness.png), rotation app, .. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23371 Sep 05 14:24:44 (for things to work on) Sep 05 14:25:49 bookmarked Sep 05 14:26:14 and this is just first v1.0 .. i have plenty more ideas to work on, but it could just be interesting how fast it's done ;) Sep 05 14:27:16 yeah, it looks very very clean..... I'm guessing lxde is pretty snappy as well ;) Sep 05 14:27:57 quite.. i still need to do some base things to deblet to make it less battery consuming and run more snappy Sep 05 14:28:09 lardman, so now that you have mathematically proved than 0==1 what other miracles can you show off? Sep 05 14:29:05 lcuk: that's merely the start! Sep 05 14:29:27 next up 1+1=2? Sep 05 14:29:27 :P Sep 05 14:29:29 Stskeeps: I finally got it past watchdog rebooting the device but it crashed another part, is it alright if I just remount that partition, bind /dev etc and chroot into it and apt-get -f install? Sep 05 14:29:32 I think I'll have to add error checking to the millions of mallocs :( Sep 05 14:29:32 :D heh you do know c-base is right next to the river dont you Sep 05 14:29:45 qwerty12: what part did it mess up in? the huge apt-get? Sep 05 14:29:51 Stskeeps: yep Sep 05 14:29:52 just redefine _ogg_malloc :) Sep 05 14:30:04 Sts: is it an impossibility to use directfb on the nit? Sep 05 14:30:06 qwerty12: apt-get -f install yeah, and then .. sec Sep 05 14:30:08 * lcuk just created app_alloc for a similar purpose Sep 05 14:30:21 teamcobra: err.. no clue, it has a framebuffer Sep 05 14:30:24 (not sure about driver limitations too much other than the 3d issue) Sep 05 14:30:26 yeah, I can add the check to the define Sep 05 14:30:35 and we lock deblet users to X Sep 05 14:30:37 er Sep 05 14:30:38 don't Sep 05 14:30:53 I'm running out of space for static declarations now though, too many dbg() text strings in there! Sep 05 14:30:55 lardman, do it as a fn, defines lead to notorious problems Sep 05 14:31:00 teamcobra: directfb has an omap driver that compiles with the omapfb driver in the kernel Sep 05 14:31:00 especially if you are trying to be clever Sep 05 14:31:08 I'll test it later on, directfb should free up some memory and speed a few things up Sep 05 14:31:14 lcuk: yep, fair enough Sep 05 14:31:14 qwerty: oh wow! :) Sep 05 14:31:48 qwerty directfb - would it interest me as someone who likes fast graphics? Sep 05 14:32:30 lcuk: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/12/08/framebuffer-vs-x11/ might be your answer ;) Sep 05 14:32:47 errrr not with this slowass connection it wont (vnc) Sep 05 14:32:48 ack, nvm that Sep 05 14:33:01 just an aye or a nay would suffice ;) Sep 05 14:33:11 yes, it is much quicker than x ;) Sep 05 14:33:20 is it quicker than xv? Sep 05 14:33:28 qwerty12: after done, run python in /usr/libexec/deblet , import deblet_installer\ndeblet_installer.fake_start_stop_daemon_delete("/mnt/deblet")\n Sep 05 14:33:32 (\n being newlines) Sep 05 14:33:47 Stskeeps: thanks Sep 05 14:34:14 teamcobra, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI whichever library will let me do this sort of thing ill use Sep 05 14:34:20 lcuk: will have to benchmark on the nit to say for certain Sep 05 14:34:20 qwerty12: and apt-get autoclean; apt-get clean as well. and you'll have to write your own .item afterwards and set root password Sep 05 14:34:37 f***, I can't wait :P Sep 05 14:34:54 it's quite simple, plenty of examples on ITT :P Sep 05 14:35:10 lcuk: yeah, no reason why it wouldn't fly :) Sep 05 14:36:13 qwerty12: if it wasn't because apt-get is so bloody picky (apt-get errors, have to dpkg --configure -a, or apt-get again, no idea what caused it etc), i'd make a "Abort, Retry, Complain to God" dialog Sep 05 14:36:21 or able to pick up on install again Sep 05 14:36:21 :P Sep 05 14:36:23 lol Sep 05 14:37:14 so qwerty12, since your watchdog kills your tablet so much.. I'm inclined to believe you're actually the secret hoster of maemo.org ;> Sep 05 14:37:31 teamcobra, ill have a look, but for now im a bit dubious as to anything fast smooth and tearfree on this device Sep 05 14:37:40 Stskeeps: With these uptimes? http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/N800_Uptime.htm :P Sep 05 14:37:44 hehe Sep 05 14:38:01 back later Sep 05 14:38:46 Arrgh, anyone know what the chinook/diablo equivalent of the bora HILDON_AUTOCAP is? Sep 05 14:38:53 qwerty12: i asssume you installed to a partition btw? Sep 05 14:38:59 Stskeeps: hell yeah Sep 05 14:39:01 :P Sep 05 14:39:03 k Sep 05 14:39:13 else you'd have to write your own vfat second stage linuxrc ;) Sep 05 14:39:30 That would make me SOL :) Sep 05 14:41:13 i went insane writing the template. Sep 05 14:41:14 :P Sep 05 14:42:24 it's a neat trick though Sep 05 14:43:22 fglrx hates me :( Sep 05 14:44:01 it failed again? Sep 05 14:45:36 Stskeeps: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/Screenshot-2.png >.< Sep 05 14:46:03 qwerty12: time to run a memtest? Sep 05 14:46:10 but yes, that looks -fucked- Sep 05 14:46:11 :P Sep 05 14:46:24 Hehe, yes, I should do thanks Sep 05 14:47:24 so, standard crond takes a lot of battery, right? but what makes alarmd different in its ways of doing things? Sep 05 14:47:49 No idea but you can always apt-get source alarmd :) Sep 05 14:48:04 i thought that was closed source Sep 05 14:48:09 hm... what's with people using mpd, when you can just use upnp av? Sep 05 14:48:29 Stskeeps: Nah it's open. There is a tool which uses cal but that doesn't get built by default Sep 05 14:50:24 ah, it uses retu Sep 05 14:50:26 that's interesting Sep 05 14:52:24 yacoob: I use mpd as the server on the tablet itself Sep 05 14:52:56 ~curse Werror Sep 05 14:52:56 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Werror ! Sep 05 14:53:44 moo, all Sep 05 14:54:08 baa Sep 05 14:55:32 it's the weekend! Sep 05 14:55:40 :) Sep 05 14:57:10 w00t, it's takeaway night! Sep 05 14:57:28 is there any way to detect if a tablet goes into deep sleep? if i wanted to make a script noticing it Sep 05 14:58:01 Stskeeps: iirc, if it is, the touch screen is disabled right? Sep 05 14:58:24 qwerty12, what for? Sep 05 14:58:46 yacoob: the only mp3 player I have that doesn't slow down the rest of my tablet Sep 05 14:58:48 qwerty12: total dim doesnt reflect on 100% sleep state Sep 05 14:58:55 i have been on ssh wit dimmed screen Sep 05 14:58:56 ah :> Sep 05 14:59:27 Stskeeps: hmm, there is a value in sysfs that can disable the touch screen, i was thinking you could read it if the touch screen was disabled :> Sep 05 15:02:26 qwerty12: i can detect activity but thats not the same as deep sleep.. if i have to optimize deblet, i have to know what makes the tablet sleep :) Sep 05 15:02:30 other than a severe beating Sep 05 15:02:39 ah :) Sep 05 15:02:40 lol Sep 05 15:02:49 * qwerty12 wishes UNetbootin supported "darwin" ;) Sep 05 15:05:32 qwerty12: you gave up on bootchart or how was it? Sep 05 15:06:08 Stskeeps: I gave up. after getting it to produce logs which wern't in a single tgz, when I shoved it into the visualiser, it was blank, wtf :D Sep 05 15:06:10 qwerty12: hehe Sep 05 15:06:13 alright Sep 05 15:06:26 just made a .jar that supports MMC traffic measurement so Sep 05 15:06:36 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.bootlogd.png Sep 05 15:07:28 That's cool :) Sep 05 15:07:59 Stskeeps: lol, how many times do you compile a kernel? :P. I see #16 Sep 05 15:10:10 w00t, my "conversion" of some bora code to diablo worked Sep 05 15:10:13 qwerty12: i use rotation enabled kernel or something.. Sep 05 15:10:24 Stskeeps: pfft, I want a bootchart for Maemo ;-) Sep 05 15:10:36 Stskeeps: ahh :).I roll out my own kernel, want to look at the patch? :P Sep 05 15:10:57 Jaffa: some guy did it i think .. sec Sep 05 15:11:25 Voting open: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http:/888 Sep 05 15:11:26 http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-008_bclng_50ms.png Sep 05 15:11:49 Stskeeps: thanks Sep 05 15:11:57 Khertan_n810: err... Sep 05 15:12:09 setting irc topics on a n810 must be a nightmare Sep 05 15:12:12 either that or its in his pocket.. Sep 05 15:12:13 :P Sep 05 15:12:36 :P Sep 05 15:12:44 Jaffa: If you can roll that into mud-builder, I'll think you are the greatest! Sep 05 15:12:49 "logs at http:/888"? Sep 05 15:12:58 hell at http:/666 Sep 05 15:14:20 lcuk: btw, I could vote, ha! :P Sep 05 16:06:17 Jaffa: sorry for the topic Sep 05 16:06:40 my n810 was setting it while it was in my pocket Sep 05 16:06:51 s/was/has Sep 05 16:07:13 hehehe Sep 05 16:09:48 Stskeeps: do I have to leave deblet mounted as ro in the .item file? Sep 05 16:10:22 qwerty12: yes Sep 05 16:10:39 we remount rw when time is Sep 05 16:10:51 ok, thanks, I think this is actually working :O Sep 05 16:12:20 is there a problem setting gtk.CellRenderText background and foreground ? Sep 05 16:12:25 Well, except for the gnome settings daemon not starting :/ Sep 05 16:12:37 the only 'color' i get is blank Sep 05 16:13:50 qwerty12: hm? in deblet or? Sep 05 16:14:10 Stskeeps: in deblet. volume control isn't wokring either Sep 05 16:14:26 if I can't get this to work, I'll leave the debian until the lxde environment is ready Sep 05 16:14:29 did you do the fake start stop stuff? Sep 05 16:14:34 Stskeeps: yep Sep 05 16:15:13 hmm. Sep 05 16:15:18 -full or -basic? Sep 05 16:15:31 There was only -basic Sep 05 16:15:31 and lxde environment is sortof ready, apt-get install nit-env-lxde Sep 05 16:15:34 k Sep 05 16:15:50 it's just not customized to tablet use yet but it's trivial to get working Sep 05 16:16:41 and then update-alternatives --config x-session-manager Sep 05 16:17:17 could you verify that /sbin/start-stop-daemon is actually not fake? Sep 05 16:17:29 (did you remount when apt-getting to /mnt/deblet?) Sep 05 16:18:35 /sbin/start-stop-daemon looks real to me Sep 05 16:18:41 I binded /dev/ etc Sep 05 16:18:54 and chrooted and dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install Sep 05 16:21:31 sounds like the correct steps Sep 05 16:21:48 meh, i've restarted it now and booted back into maemo. I've got an headache, I can't be bothered atm :) Sep 05 16:22:32 what I will do is though is work in a merger of your initfs and my initfs :> Sep 05 16:22:39 hehe, alright Sep 05 16:22:52 :) Sep 05 16:25:51 Stskeeps: though, does bootmenu remove any other entries that you add manually when it refreshes? Sep 05 16:25:53 qwerty12: it's kinda weird your maemo sets out like that.. you run 48mhz kernel? Sep 05 16:26:06 Stskeeps: yeah + preempt :/ Sep 05 16:26:16 qwerty12: no, but edit /etc/bootmenu.conf as this is updated along Sep 05 16:26:24 as that's what's going into initfs Sep 05 16:26:30 k Sep 05 16:27:17 I have no doubts in the deblet project, I think the installer is perfect, just my N800 :). The nit-env-stskeeps installed fine but was a bit lacklustre for me :) Sep 05 16:27:26 hehe, yeah Sep 05 16:27:30 i got tired of it myself too Sep 05 16:27:37 it was mostly for showoff :> Sep 05 16:28:46 heh, I wanted to install more apps, where's my synaptic!?! :P. (yes, I did use apt-get in the end to install irssi. until on the next boot when it decided to corrupt itself >.<) Sep 05 16:29:20 but if you want to install succesfully maybe flasher-3.0 with boot original kernel (not flash, just use image for boot :P) Sep 05 16:29:43 My N800 is too unstable, better make that flash :P Sep 05 16:30:13 hehe Sep 05 16:31:09 * qwerty12 has to add mkfs.jffs2 to initfs, that's a standard for me now :) Sep 05 16:34:04 someone know i can remove border between two gtk.CellRendererText ? Sep 05 16:36:39 Stskeeps: btw, have you ever looked at /usr/share/images/logo-nokia? Sep 05 16:41:51 qwerty12, isn't compression overhead too high? Sep 05 16:42:03 (I guess that depends on what you keep on such fs) Sep 05 16:42:06 yacoob: for what? Sep 05 16:43:02 qwerty12, I'm guessing you've formatted mmc[12] with that? Sep 05 16:43:44 yacoob: no :), I leave mkfs.jffs2 in the initfs for backing up the /dev/mtdblock4 / rootfs. my mmc is vfat and ext3 Sep 05 16:44:08 ah. Sep 05 16:44:19 bye Sep 05 17:16:31 Please won't someone think of Jack and support the iPhone envy hotline? Sep 05 17:16:47 hmmm Sep 05 17:16:51 eh? Sep 05 17:17:01 johnx: read his crap on -developers Sep 05 17:17:28 I rather liked my justification as to why our touch screens were hot ;) Sep 05 17:23:45 oh, great, now he will come here Sep 05 17:43:29 AH! Maemo channel! Great! Sep 05 17:43:54 hello zhaozhou Sep 05 17:44:10 Hey. :-) Sep 05 17:45:18 Got my n810 home today, I'm over-excited! Sep 05 17:45:19 :-D Sep 05 17:45:58 what are you planning to use it for? Sep 05 17:47:31 Both as a study-helper-tool and for entertainment. :-) Browsing for a todo and a calendar right now. :-) Sep 05 17:48:49 gpe-calendar gpe-todo mcalendar and dates Sep 05 17:48:57 ^some things you might be interested in^ Sep 05 17:49:33 ~musthave Sep 05 17:49:33 it has been said that musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects Sep 05 17:49:36 johnx, Oh, thank you! Sep 05 17:49:42 zhaozhou: ^^ :) Sep 05 17:50:02 hum i should add mCalendar :) Sep 05 17:50:13 ;) Sep 05 17:50:33 thx jott to promote my solft Sep 05 17:50:34 soft Sep 05 17:50:37 ALthough, i saw that i had to have the suite for the gpe-summary, which seems nice. :-D Would be great to have it on the front-page Sep 05 17:51:16 you can also use homecalendar :) Sep 05 17:51:28 which depends on mCalendar Sep 05 17:54:22 Must practice writing on this thing... have'nt typed with a qwerty keyboard for quite awhile. :-) Sep 05 17:54:44 zhaozhou the typing gets easier after a while Sep 05 17:56:00 you know the only thing I don't like on the keyboard is the FN key only on one side I use @ alot and its hard to type it Sep 05 17:57:19 andrewfblack, Ah. I'm not too fond of qwerty at all, but with this thing, I'm willing to re-learn it. xD Sep 05 17:58:36 What devices do you all use? Mostly the n800 and n810? Sep 05 17:59:01 N810 here Sep 05 17:59:34 most here have n8x0 nowadays. but there are still a few 770 only users :) Sep 05 18:00:34 Nice. :-) Sep 05 18:00:44 I have a growing collection of ARM linux devices O_o; Sep 05 18:00:52 Hmm... is there perhaps support for NFS in this thing? Sep 05 18:01:01 johnx, My first one, woho! Sep 05 18:01:11 I'm not beleaving this my Matrix theme I've been working on for weeks is screwed up Sep 05 18:01:55 zhaozhou, I'm sure someone has compiled a module to support NFS... Sep 05 18:02:04 zhaozhou: yes. nfs-common Sep 05 18:03:54 I can't beleave 3 weeks of work on my Matrix theme is gone Sep 05 18:04:26 I was jus talking about how much I started to like GIMP instead of Photoshop and then this happens Sep 05 18:04:32 andrewfblack, what happened? Sep 05 18:04:53 I was working on it this morning and when I open it now its all corpt looking Sep 05 18:05:17 Whoa. :D Sep 05 18:05:33 andrewfblack, can I take a look at it? Sep 05 18:05:45 yeah whats your email addy? Sep 05 18:07:41 its on its way Sep 05 18:08:04 the only backup I have is in .png format and is over a week old Sep 05 18:08:13 plus it wont have my layers in the .png one Sep 05 18:08:35 :D im famous, darius knows who i am. in reality i dont know whether to be scared or not Sep 05 18:12:28 johnx my email wouldn't send it to big here is a link to it andrewblck.com/Stuff/MatrixTemplate.psd Sep 05 18:12:39 johnx my email wouldn't send it to big here is a link to it http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/MatrixTemplate.psd Sep 05 18:13:07 andrewfblack, I'll take a look at it...no promises. Sep 05 18:13:29 johnx, just for curiosity how much arm gadgets do you have ? Sep 05 18:13:39 thanks, if I have to I can start over with the weekold .png file Sep 05 18:14:05 VDVsx, 3: a zaurus 5500, a zaurus c1000 and an n800 Sep 05 18:14:29 andrewfblack, in the future you might want to avoid working in .psd format in gimp... Sep 05 18:15:12 johnx, a good collection :), I have 3 to Sep 05 18:15:21 VDVsx, what have you got? Sep 05 18:16:04 johnx, n810, openmoko freerunner and a iPOD (still count as ARM device :) ) Sep 05 18:16:34 VDVsx, well if we can count anything with an ARM, my phone probably counts too :P Sep 05 18:16:43 I'd bet there's an ARM7 in it, maybe... Sep 05 18:16:52 well I've been going back and forth between Photoshop at home and GIMP at work I guess I just need to stick with GIMP everywhere Sep 05 18:17:06 johnx, maybe mine too, I dunno Sep 05 18:17:50 andrewfblack, well, import to your psd to gimp, work in xcf, then "save a copy" as psd Sep 05 18:18:05 yeah, I see what you mean by corrupted...that looks pretty bad Sep 05 18:18:39 Hmm, is there a site for themes to this little beauty? :-) Sep 05 18:19:08 johnx, my phone have : ARM 11 369 MHz processor, so 4 devices Sep 05 18:19:47 ARM is everyhere :) Sep 05 18:19:59 * lcuk waves @ VDVsx Sep 05 18:20:17 johnx when I screw up a document I screw it up lol Sep 05 18:21:16 andrewfblack, I've never seen gimp screw up a picture in 10 years of using it...but working in PSD format is pretty risky I guess Sep 05 18:22:59 yeah I'm going to start working in xcf and just save a copy to .psd incase I need to take it back to psd Sep 05 18:23:06 or just ues GIMP at home now Sep 05 18:24:07 that really sucks...I thought it might be something reversible :/ Sep 05 18:24:57 I'll just have to start off from where my .png version is from. I was going to release that theme tonight but don't look like i am now. Sep 05 18:27:01 andrewfblack, the key phrase you need here is backup Sep 05 18:27:36 I do but I only backup the stuff on my thumb drive about once a week Sep 05 18:28:16 do "lazy backups:" save a copy locally then copy to thumb drive Sep 05 18:28:31 thats not often enough :) get into the routine of making nightlies - even if you dont use something like svn you can still do it Sep 05 18:28:37 yer Sep 05 18:29:12 i have a small script which i can run anytime which simply .tar.gzs the cwd with a datestamp and reason Sep 05 18:29:32 lcuk, you're starting to sound like a linux geek :D :P Sep 05 18:30:06 lol johnx, ive always taken backups :) i still have the contents of my user profile from college days Sep 05 18:30:24 not that. just the linuxy jargon :P Sep 05 18:30:51 my linux n00byisms are simply because i dont know the syntax Sep 05 18:30:56 :) Sep 05 18:31:15 I was just lucky that linux was my first command line Sep 05 18:31:29 ...hmm, "making nightlies"... i've read "night lies" and wondered what that refered to :-P Sep 05 18:31:43 i was sat in work yesterday with a cmd.exe window open wishing it to be a proper console Sep 05 18:31:47 i was shocked at myself Sep 05 18:31:53 and the bastard thing didnt understand ls Sep 05 18:32:31 lcuk, muahaha. we will drag you kicking and screaming into the linux shell Sep 05 18:32:32 * lcuk logged into the router instead Sep 05 18:32:57 i surprisingly felt more at home there :) it has busybox on it and telnet works Sep 05 18:33:13 * johnx remembers the cisco router command line Sep 05 18:33:14 ugh Sep 05 18:33:32 * Stskeeps yawns Sep 05 18:33:36 IOS is fun Sep 05 18:33:41 IOS is your friend ;) Sep 05 18:33:47 long day Stskeeps ? Sep 05 18:33:59 or are we borin u Sep 05 18:34:41 long day Sep 05 18:35:12 up 6.30 for student group meeting at uni 8.30-11.00, work 11 till late and home Sep 05 18:35:13 :P Sep 05 18:39:49 not going to beleave this but I got my file back its from last night but I remembered that I was installing some new apps to my Thumb drive last night and when I do that it backups my documents then wipes the drive first. Well I just used mesh.com to remote to my desktop at home then looked on my wifes Harddrive since I have it shared on network and there it was. Sep 05 18:40:00 I lost about 2 hours of work on it I did this morning but thats not bad Sep 05 18:41:02 rawk! Sep 05 18:41:26 andrewfblack, amazing, now take a backup of your backup and store it in your backup backups location and make sure you learn from this Sep 05 18:41:27 * ToyKeeper discovers that the gui application manager doesn't list all packages under "all", and that nfs-common is missing dependencies (portmap, rpcbind) Sep 05 18:42:02 ToyKeeper, thats because its a consumer device and they dont need to be able to uninstall ub3rneededentries Sep 05 18:42:49 lcuk I just need to setup my thumb drive so it backs it self up when I plug it in at home Sep 05 18:42:57 ToyKeeper: portmap and rpcbind are in the diablo/tools repository Sep 05 18:43:07 Thanks. :) Sep 05 18:43:35 andrewfblack, as long as you feel comfortable losing stuff between then cool. Sep 05 18:44:07 * lcuk tries to think like a good c coder all the time: assume everything will fail and cover all the exits Sep 05 18:45:09 I'm not used to having inter-repository dependencies. Sep 05 18:45:23 heh welcome to the world of maemo :) Sep 05 18:45:40 but it is seriously better nowadays. Sep 05 18:57:40 This is a modified version of debian, right? Sep 05 18:57:40 step one of making bluetooth dun work under deblet.. -- find wtf your phone is hiding, since it is visible in bluetooth, but you cant see it.. Sep 05 18:57:43 :P Sep 05 18:57:48 maemo? aye Sep 05 18:58:29 Hmm, nfs-common has some issues. insmod: can't open '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/sunrpc.ko': No such file or directory Sep 05 18:58:39 Nice. :-) Sep 05 18:58:41 * ToyKeeper wonders why /lib/modules doesn't exist Sep 05 18:58:59 Another one setting up NFS.. Sep 05 18:59:08 THen ill probably run into that soon enough aswell. Sep 05 18:59:50 ToyKeeper, look for it under /mnt/initfs/lib/modules Sep 05 19:00:11 Yeah, I just found that with a "find /", but why does the package look in the wrong place? Sep 05 19:00:36 ToyKeeper, if it's meant to run from initfs? Sep 05 19:01:13 What's the default user password? Sep 05 19:01:21 zhaozhou, it's not set Sep 05 19:01:23 neither is root Sep 05 19:01:48 Ah. Hard to sudo then. Sep 05 19:01:57 This looks promising: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ Sep 05 19:02:02 zhaozhou, rootsh from downloads.maemo.org Sep 05 19:02:58 It was the first hit for "diablo sunrpc" (the sunrpc module is still missing; apparently nfs-common is missing kernel-diablo-modules-extra as a dep). Sep 05 19:03:49 johnx, ah. :-D thank you Sep 05 19:06:26 ~root-access Sep 05 19:06:26 from memory, root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Sep 05 19:33:41 for crying out loud.. wvdial segfaults upon connection Sep 05 19:33:56 * GeneralAntilles cackles loudly. https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint5#Activity_log Sep 05 19:36:06 Hmm... can i kinda simulate an up-arrow? Sep 05 19:36:16 Ha! Ubuntu on my work laptop has singularly failed to detect that my work monitor isn't plugged in, so is only showing half the display Sep 05 19:36:20 previous command. :-) Sep 05 19:36:24 Er, simulate? Sep 05 19:36:30 Just use the up arrow? Sep 05 19:36:37 GeneralAntilles: oooh, shiny. Sep 05 19:36:44 GeneralAntilles, Oh wait! Sep 05 19:37:34 * zhaozhou smashes his head against the table. Sep 05 19:37:39 Jaffa, both because of Fremantle and because I'm about to get an insane karma boost. ;) Sep 05 19:37:42 That was stupid of me. xD Sep 05 19:37:57 zhaozhou, don't worry, most people don't figure that one out on their own. Sep 05 19:37:57 ~seen X-Fade Sep 05 19:38:00 x-fade is currently on #maemo, last said: 'murrayc: Probably later this day.'. Sep 05 19:38:14 MishaS, should be back tomorrow according to the wiki. Sep 05 19:38:26 GeneralAntilles, yes, I remember :) Sep 05 19:38:29 Which sounds like he actually means "Monday". ;) Sep 05 19:38:40 he just appears time to time here, as far as i see... Sep 05 19:38:51 Hasn't said a word since he left for vacation. Sep 05 19:38:57 really? Sep 05 19:39:01 Nope Sep 05 19:39:05 Not one. ;) Sep 05 19:39:12 hmm... Sep 05 19:39:18 GeneralAntilles: heh Sep 05 19:39:22 * MishaS wonders why he saw "14 mins ago"... Sep 05 19:39:44 btw, does anybody know where karma thing is explained? :) Sep 05 19:39:50 It's not. Sep 05 19:39:56 good :) Sep 05 19:39:59 I opened an enhancement request to get a breakdown page. Sep 05 19:40:02 then the place is called "nowhere" :D Sep 05 19:40:15 You can always dive into the code to look Sep 05 19:40:20 It's all in one place. Sep 05 19:40:33 nah... i do not want to look into that code.. :-/ Sep 05 19:40:45 i might stop using the site after that.. :) if i do not like the code... Sep 05 19:41:39 GeneralAntilles: hmm, do you remember the id of the "karma not updating bug"? Mine's stopped updating - I may have plateaued - but it could be back again Sep 05 19:42:05 I'm pretty sure my discussions karma hasn't updated in a while. Sep 05 19:42:19 * MishaS . o O (maybe it was updated manually?..) Sep 05 19:42:32 guys, what do you think about packages in extras to affect karma? Sep 05 19:42:36 It should run once every 24 hours. Sep 05 19:42:45 They should already Sep 05 19:42:51 really? Sep 05 19:42:53 Since Downloads entries are automatically generated. Sep 05 19:42:59 hmm... Sep 05 19:43:05 what about downloads from extras? Sep 05 19:43:05 Yeah, my discussions karma is stuck. Sep 05 19:43:14 GeneralAntilles: mine neither. Neither has my "blogs" despite getting a load of favourites for, oh, the election one Sep 05 19:43:20 As are the favorites and buries Sep 05 19:43:37 MishaS, the downloads numbers are calculated for Downloads from Extras. Sep 05 19:43:51 The karma formula doesn't factor in downloads, I believe, though. Sep 05 19:44:00 It's based on the rating. Sep 05 19:44:03 sorry, what i meant that download counts would affect uploader's karma... Sep 05 19:44:13 if it came from downloads I think rm_you would win... Sep 05 19:44:40 * MishaS wonders how to encourage developers to use extras instead of using own repositories Sep 05 19:44:46 I think the calculation of karma from downloads.maemo.org is sub-optimal. It should be a combination of number of votes, overall rating & number of downloads Sep 05 19:44:53 That doesn't encourage extras use, admittedly. Sep 05 19:44:59 Poke them continually with one of my sharpened sticks until they comply. Sep 05 19:45:02 Uploading a package to extras could give a boost, perhaps? Sep 05 19:45:26 * MishaS ponders idea of DDoSing gronmeyer :) Sep 05 19:45:27 Well, Downloads is based on the downloads from Extras. Sep 05 19:45:40 MishaS, it hasn't been updated for Diablo. Sep 05 19:45:47 Which is helping curb its popularity. Sep 05 19:46:01 GeneralAntilles: not for all of them - certainly for the non-tablet software it's just number of clicks on the 'download' link Sep 05 19:46:05 it does not have to be updated for diablo... 2008 is enough Sep 05 19:46:29 GeneralAntilles: aha. #2481 - going to reopen Sep 05 19:46:40 The best thing we can do to get developers to use Extras is to provide incentive. Sep 05 19:46:52 Make the autobuilder straightforward, simple to use, and FAST Sep 05 19:47:03 isn't it? Sep 05 19:47:11 Provide useful stats tracking features. Sep 05 19:47:11 I found it so Sep 05 19:47:16 lbt, only sometimes. ;) Sep 05 19:47:24 Resolve autobuilder bugs... :-) Sep 05 19:47:38 johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221269&postcount=16 :) Sep 05 19:47:41 Stats breakdowns would help. Sep 05 19:47:46 * lbt looks around to make sure he's not in #maemo-meeting Sep 05 19:48:14 Stskeeps, does it behave differently from normal debian? Sep 05 19:48:15 Some value-added features for the Application manager might be cool, too. Sep 05 19:48:29 Ratings and bug reports direct from h-a-m Sep 05 19:48:40 GeneralAntilles: I've name checked you on #2481 reopen Sep 05 19:48:44 johnx: not really no - but wvdial has a bug so gnome-ppp and other gui utils using it won't work Sep 05 19:48:51 johnx: but i have a connection going now atleast Sep 05 19:48:53 Your favourite media player for maemo? :-) Sep 05 19:49:14 GeneralAntilles, what's not 'straightforward', 'not simple' and 'not fast' about autobuilder? Sep 05 19:49:25 zhaozhou, youamp and canola are nice Sep 05 19:49:42 and how AppMgr could be improved? Sep 05 19:49:48 MishaS, when firewall issues crop up that prevent the autobuilder from fetching dependencies Sep 05 19:49:52 or when the server's overloaded Sep 05 19:49:58 or when builds die for no reason. Sep 05 19:50:07 Small things, and I'm mostly speaking generally. :) Sep 05 19:50:08 Stskeeps: can you point me at something to get me to: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde.png which I caught in passing earlier... Sep 05 19:50:08 GeneralAntilles, firewall issues are still there? Sep 05 19:50:25 MishaS, not that I know of, but, like I said, I'm speaking generally. Sep 05 19:50:40 GeneralAntilles, to support your nick name? :) Sep 05 19:50:48 lbt: apt-get install nit-env-lxde, edit nm-applet.desktop in /usr/share/applications to not only show in gnome. same goes for bluez-gnome one Sep 05 19:51:02 oh, i mean in autostart in .. Sep 05 19:51:12 MishaS, :) Sep 05 19:51:19 /etc/xdg/autostart Sep 05 19:51:22 Some more cool features might help, too. Sep 05 19:51:26 Maybe a live build monitor. Sep 05 19:51:48 i must say that number of packags in diablo repository is surprisingly bigger than in chinook's one :) Sep 05 19:52:07 now if it would be possible to encourage the rest to use it... :) Sep 05 19:52:13 Stskeeps: ta... Sep 05 19:52:19 Don't get me wrong, btw, I like the autobuilder, and I think it's been a major boost for Extras Sep 05 19:52:40 what's the lightest mp3 player battery-wise? Sep 05 19:53:07 lbt: and lxlauncher in the background.. didn't autostart it Sep 05 19:53:12 elekt, probably the included one Sep 05 19:53:21 GeneralAntilles, no problems. it's the next step that seems to be very difficult :-/ Sep 05 19:53:33 Stskeeps do you still code on UnrealIRCd? Sep 05 19:53:41 Good documentation will help bring the stragglers in. Sep 05 19:53:51 i thought so, but i was hoping you'd say canola ;) Sep 05 19:53:55 ~upload-extras Sep 05 19:53:56 hmm... upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Sep 05 19:54:01 That needs to be fleshed out some Sep 05 19:54:10 perhaps cover more edge cases Sep 05 19:54:16 we should do some benchmarks Sep 05 19:54:24 dystopia: i try to avoid it.. besides that tablet work is much more rewarding Sep 05 19:54:36 hey folks Sep 05 19:54:44 a'ight... loved your IRCd :-) Sep 05 19:54:46 johnx: oh, i noticed something in matchbox source, an applet.. not sure if that has something that makes it more integrated Sep 05 19:55:17 as it embeds the keyboard or something Sep 05 19:55:23 dystopia: http://inspircd.org/?p=stats speaks for itself :> Sep 05 19:55:35 Stskeeps, hmm...now there's a thought Sep 05 19:55:53 hihi Sep 05 19:56:06 Stskeeps: and codey? whats he up to these days? Sep 05 19:57:14 dystopia: codemastr? he hasn't been around for years.. he's with http://www.rightreasontech.com/ i believe Sep 05 19:57:30 ok one more question. what games do you guys play on n8*0 Sep 05 19:57:41 when on the road Sep 05 19:58:14 https://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ Sep 05 19:58:17 numpty physics :P Sep 05 19:58:26 Stskeeps: interesting, thanks Sep 05 19:58:27 duke nuke Sep 05 19:58:28 m Sep 05 19:58:40 duke nukem on nit? Sep 05 19:59:09 I have a frustrating problem with the maemo wiki in the last days, my login is always expiring, anyone can help me :( ? Sep 05 19:59:27 nethack<3 Sep 05 19:59:28 Stskeeps: is there an issue with wifi on deblet? Sep 05 19:59:42 it seems to have a vastly reduced range] Sep 05 20:00:12 lbt: i'm not sure if the mw setting is done right, atleast Sep 05 20:00:15 ie 10ft doesn't work reliably Sep 05 20:00:36 OK - so long as it's not just me Sep 05 20:00:37 i have my tablet like a meter from my AP and it's at 3/5 bars Sep 05 20:00:50 lbt: try fiddle with iwconfig and see if that solves anything Sep 05 20:00:59 I'm in the same room and it won't connect unless I walk over to the AP Sep 05 20:01:06 'k Sep 05 20:01:07 Stskeeps, don't trust what nm-applet says too much... Sep 05 20:01:15 Stskeeps: you need to put it out of its faraday cage ;-) Sep 05 20:01:24 johnx: true Sep 05 20:01:43 elekt: Look here http://anunakin.blogspot.com/ ... I ported.. Flashback and Out of This World... Sep 05 20:02:00 ty Sep 05 20:02:12 checking Sep 05 20:02:55 johnx: i don't understand why a bloody wifi applet uses 15% memory anyway :P Sep 05 20:03:13 Stskeeps, aaah...that's probably the other reason I stayed away :/ Sep 05 20:03:22 a lot of it is probably shared libs though Sep 05 20:03:37 I'm really looking forward to better xip support in linux Sep 05 20:03:45 xip? Sep 05 20:03:50 execute in place Sep 05 20:03:53 ah Sep 05 20:04:40 I imagine Nokia is looking forward to it as well :D Sep 05 20:06:29 Stskeeps: one other thing, what is the standard on services these days? Sep 05 20:06:55 dystopia: no clue.. ircservices are okay, but thats not relevant to this channel :P Sep 05 20:06:59 and atheme Sep 05 20:07:31 Anunakin what's thename of the process for reminiscence Sep 05 20:07:43 johnx: looks like a specialized page fault handler really.. i thought stuff like this was already implemented to some degree with COW stuff Sep 05 20:07:57 i switched to desktop an now i can't get back Sep 05 20:08:40 Stskeeps, I know it existed to some degree. I just heard positive mumblings recently and got interested/hopeful again :) Sep 05 20:16:16 right.. pm just never works well on this network :> Sep 05 20:23:39 Stskeeps: std deblet ... E: Couldn't find package nit-env-lxde Sep 05 20:24:25 lbt, when is your deblet install from? Sep 05 20:24:38 mmm - 2 weeks ago Sep 05 20:24:46 I did an update Sep 05 20:24:56 maybe a touch longer Sep 05 20:25:05 lbt: upgrade_deblet Sep 05 20:25:47 (it rebuilds the repo) Sep 05 20:25:53 svn: OPTIONS of 'http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/installerdeb': could not connect to server (http://trac.tspre.org) Sep 05 20:26:06 and /usr/sbin/upgrade_deblet: line 5: cd: installerdeb/usr/libexec/deblet: No such file or directory Sep 05 20:26:15 ;( Sep 05 20:26:17 no net connection? Sep 05 20:26:29 yes - update and apt were OK Sep 05 20:26:41 lol? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221283&postcount=28 Sep 05 20:27:31 lbt: restarting apache.. Sep 05 20:28:07 say "when" Sep 05 20:28:12 now Sep 05 20:28:12 :P Sep 05 20:28:17 GeneralAntilles, I agree with his *idea* actually...but I think his *services* might be a little overkill... Sep 05 20:28:33 same problem - do I need to clean up? Sep 05 20:28:36 I just wish somebody had brought it up 2 months ago. Sep 05 20:28:52 lbt: telnet trac.tspre.org 80 doesnt work? Sep 05 20:29:04 I was mostly too focused on getting enough inertia behind the plan to care about voting methods. Sep 05 20:29:37 gimme a sec - an apt-get update was OK a few mins ago... Sep 05 20:29:44 GeneralAntilles, I think it doesn't really matter in this case. Sep 05 20:29:54 odd Sep 05 20:30:40 it's working now Sep 05 20:31:14 k Sep 05 20:31:36 there was a 'no route to host' moment Sep 05 20:31:41 but I was ssh'ed in Sep 05 20:31:53 and IRC was OK Sep 05 20:32:14 sigh: No space left on device Sep 05 20:32:40 rootfs 2.0G 799M 1.1G 42% / Sep 05 20:33:02 is that supposed to run whilst booted into deblet? Sep 05 20:33:07 or from maemo? Sep 05 20:33:59 Seems to be missing the python module named 'hildon' for mindmap... python2.5-module-hildon will fix this, right? Or do i need the -dev-package? Been awhile since i ran anything debian-based... Sep 05 20:34:02 yeah, within deblet Sep 05 20:34:17 i dont have a chroot version yet Sep 05 20:34:32 http://pastebin.com/d12079c1d Sep 05 20:34:45 zhaozhou, python2.5-hildon? Sep 05 20:34:54 you ran it on maemo? :P Sep 05 20:34:57 no Sep 05 20:35:01 deblet Sep 05 20:35:14 lmoura, ah, yes, right. :-) Sep 05 20:35:52 lbt: eh.. that's odd, what's your /tmp like? Sep 05 20:36:15 supertiny Sep 05 20:36:17 as in, it there a tmpfs on it? Sep 05 20:36:19 mmk Sep 05 20:36:22 overflow 1.0M 12K 1012K 2% /tmp Sep 05 20:36:23 and Sep 05 20:36:30 none 1.0M 12K 1012K 2% /tmp Sep 05 20:36:34 lovely Sep 05 20:36:40 spooky Sep 05 20:36:55 could you pastebin /proc/mounts for me? Sep 05 20:37:16 http://pastebin.com/d7132b341 Sep 05 20:37:21 I was doing just that :) Sep 05 20:37:45 FWIW I haven't meddled with deblet Sep 05 20:38:04 and I don't *think* I played with linuxrc/initfs Sep 05 20:38:10 yeah.. think there's some oddity in the mountoverflowtmp stuff Sep 05 20:38:50 so does it need debugging or just barging past ? Sep 05 20:40:08 dpkg -l dash Sep 05 20:40:21 no Sep 05 20:40:59 mmkay Sep 05 20:41:18 * Stskeeps ponders Sep 05 20:41:21 FWIW it looks like I installed on 23 August Sep 05 20:41:22 restart deblet? :P Sep 05 20:41:38 sorry, you mean win-deblet Sep 05 20:42:02 well it only mounts an overflow if there's not enough space in /tmp.. which is odd Sep 05 20:42:23 tmp was mounted on tmpfs which I don't need Sep 05 20:42:33 *nod* Sep 05 20:42:33 since I have 2Gb on ext3 on SD Sep 05 20:42:51 but I left it all as 'standard' Sep 05 20:43:08 "The brushtail possum, described as being "as big as a fat cat", went on a two-hour rampage after attacking a friend of the family." Sep 05 20:43:35 hum Sep 05 20:43:47 lbt: you boot through linuxrc (the bootmenu patches) or not? Sep 05 20:44:13 * Khertan_n810 will vote for community member which will ban darius from itt and dev mailing list Sep 05 20:44:34 Stskeeps, you were still using the old method around 8/23, right? Sep 05 20:44:36 vote for darius himself! Sep 05 20:44:40 johnx: probably Sep 05 20:45:03 Khertan_n810, I would if I could. Sep 05 20:45:16 I CAN keep #maemo safe, though. :D Sep 05 20:46:12 I do Sep 05 20:46:16 hmm Sep 05 20:46:45 and both /tmp are there on bootup Sep 05 20:47:11 i'd say a reboot would be in order since it only happens when /tmp directory has not enough space.. and i think df -h might have been tricked or something Sep 05 20:47:27 (see /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp) Sep 05 20:47:31 Right, invite darius here Sep 05 20:47:53 I have just rebooted Sep 05 20:47:55 k Sep 05 20:47:59 Make fun of him, then kick him repeatedly, then ban him so that he channels his energy into trying to hack into this channel Sep 05 20:48:10 and they are in /proc/mounts and mount -h Sep 05 20:48:18 This will keep him busy Sep 05 20:48:20 lbt: with overflow still? Sep 05 20:48:44 yes Sep 05 20:48:44 lbt: could you pastebin your /etc/init.d/boot-basics? Sep 05 20:49:37 http://pastebin.com/d69fe5344 Sep 05 20:50:55 rm /etc/mtab and see if that helps any Sep 05 20:51:01 there might have been a leftover from old booting Sep 05 20:51:14 (need reboot) Sep 05 20:51:21 yep Sep 05 20:51:24 init 6 Sep 05 20:52:25 sometimes it's really amazing how unix systems can get confused Sep 05 20:52:28 it says mounting emergenvy tmp... Sep 05 20:54:04 workaround: edit /etc/default/mountoverflowtmp , insert MINTMPKB=0 Sep 05 20:56:07 well, no difference removing /etc/mtab Sep 05 20:56:50 after workaround please do df -kP /tmp |grep -v Filesystem :P Sep 05 20:57:42 ok Sep 05 20:57:59 wow, 291 users on #maemo... Sep 05 20:58:21 is this usual? Sep 05 20:58:31 230 are always asleep - it's weird Sep 05 20:58:38 ic Sep 05 20:58:53 not so weird. Sep 05 20:58:53 the silent community Sep 05 20:58:54 :P Sep 05 20:58:59 first time here, so i'm asking Sep 05 20:59:12 I stay here almost always, but sometimes, time for IRC is *extremely* limited. Sep 05 20:59:32 well, most have DO have a life :-) Sep 05 20:59:39 most ppl* Sep 05 21:01:08 this must be a classic question but i'm really surprised there's no bash on my new n810... Sep 05 21:01:21 it's not hard to get Sep 05 21:01:28 but by default it's busybox Sep 05 21:01:33 is there a good reason for that? Sep 05 21:01:37 yes Sep 05 21:01:38 size Sep 05 21:01:53 most of the time busybox is just fine Sep 05 21:02:08 I loaded bash :) Sep 05 21:02:17 "hi" btw :) Sep 05 21:02:39 does it support .busyboxrc scripts? Sep 05 21:02:42 none 512 12 500 3% /tmp Sep 05 21:02:49 hi, mate! Sep 05 21:03:21 well, a .profile might do, after all Sep 05 21:03:40 * johnx becomes user 231 to head to sleep Sep 05 21:03:47 lol Sep 05 21:04:38 setuid0, boot time. Sep 05 21:04:49 bash'd increase bootup rather significantly. Sep 05 21:05:07 Stskeeps: none 512 12 500 3% /tmp Sep 05 21:06:08 lbt: okay. what about /boot? Sep 05 21:06:30 no /boot Sep 05 21:06:33 it's an ARM 920T @ 400 MHz on my tablet, that shouldn't be too much of an issue, i suppose Sep 05 21:06:47 wait Sep 05 21:07:09 setuid0, ~15-30 seconds Sep 05 21:07:14 rootfs 2063536 817412 1141300 42% / Sep 05 21:07:17 Size is an issue, too. Sep 05 21:07:35 The tablets have an OMAP2420 Sep 05 21:08:02 lbt: okay. how about your linuxrc? Sep 05 21:08:18 GeneralAnt: wow! that's really long Sep 05 21:08:46 yes, it's there.... Sep 05 21:09:04 it has mount -t tmpfs none -o size=512K /tmp Sep 05 21:09:05 setuid0, yeah, they didn't use BusyBox for no reason. :) Sep 05 21:09:09 bash2 is available from Extras anyway. Sep 05 21:09:22 lbt: /linuxrc in deblet? Sep 05 21:09:36 btw, the OMAP2420 is ARM11, not ARM9. :) Sep 05 21:09:52 For anybody using DUMMY connections: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306#c30 Sep 05 21:09:59 ah, that linuxrc Sep 05 21:10:15 hmm Sep 05 21:10:23 GeneralAnt: thanks for the info! i really feel like a noob and don't want to troll on this chan Sep 05 21:11:06 GeneralAnt: r u a programmer, btw? Sep 05 21:11:12 No, not really. Sep 05 21:11:31 setuid0, make things easy on yourself. Type: Gen Sep 05 21:12:01 Stskeeps: is it picking up the wrong rc? Sep 05 21:12:47 lbt: nah, im just wondering where the 512k /tmp comes from.. if the boot item has ITEM_LINUXRC="linuxrc" it shouldn't do that Sep 05 21:12:59 it does Sep 05 21:13:03 I just checked Sep 05 21:13:20 grep transfer_ /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh Sep 05 21:13:25 I'm reading the initfs linuxrc to remind myself how they chain Sep 05 21:13:53 in bootmenu.sh b4 returning Sep 05 21:14:15 (that's there BTW) Sep 05 21:15:02 does exec work? Sep 05 21:15:52 GeneralAnt: which text editor do ppl usually use on their tablets? i see nokia were nice enough to include vi but without a full keyboard, it feels a bit awkward to say the least Sep 05 21:16:08 ssh Sep 05 21:16:44 friends don't let friends type on N8x0s Sep 05 21:17:06 lbt: does the /linuxrc export DEBLET_something? Sep 05 21:17:25 export DEBLET_RUN_FROM_LINUXRC="1" Sep 05 21:17:38 k Sep 05 21:18:03 is /etc/rcS.d/*boot-basics there? Sep 05 21:18:11 and this is the bit that puts the 'centred' text up Sep 05 21:18:16 which I see at boot time Sep 05 21:18:26 so it appears to be executing that bit Sep 05 21:18:48 yeah.. so linuxrc is fine Sep 05 21:19:15 S04 Sep 05 21:19:38 setuid0, ssh into your NIT, bluetooth keyboard, n810 allows you to do some stuff Sep 05 21:19:44 setuid0, there's plenty of options Sep 05 21:20:08 setuid0: I like leafpad (hildonised too) Sep 05 21:20:34 lbt: is it +x? Sep 05 21:21:20 no Sep 05 21:21:32 well that's the problem then Sep 05 21:22:15 one of my bad svns had non +x so Sep 05 21:22:21 * lbt aims a rocket launcher at Stskeeps Sep 05 21:22:49 sorry Sep 05 21:22:50 :P Sep 05 21:22:59 then drops it when he realises it's too big for him Sep 05 21:23:02 :p Sep 05 21:23:23 * lbt presses trigger. Stskeeps is lucky that it's running deblet.... Sep 05 21:23:49 rebooting now.... :) Sep 05 21:24:10 ah Sep 05 21:24:21 that fixed my NetworkManager problems :) Sep 05 21:24:36 right, i found leafpad in the repository Sep 05 21:24:40 was going to mention them next... Sep 05 21:24:58 setuid0: try Shopper .... for all your supermarket needs... Sep 05 21:24:59 Stskeeps: btw, i migrated all my initfs changes to your initfs, i really like your .item system :) Sep 05 21:25:08 available now in extras-devel Sep 05 21:25:51 why not, i've still got plenty of room on my tablet Sep 05 21:26:25 (let me know of any bugs - there's a tracker in garage...) Sep 05 21:26:28 hi everyone Sep 05 21:26:44 Stskeeps: that looks saner.... updating now... Sep 05 21:26:54 could someone help me out with usb host mode and connecting a usb 2.0 hub? Sep 05 21:27:08 linux host? Sep 05 21:27:49 i've recompiled the kernel without the otg whitelist and reflashed but for some reason my n800 won't recognize the hub Sep 05 21:28:00 i've tried powering it and unpowering it, still nothing Sep 05 21:28:12 what kernel? Sep 05 21:28:28 uname -r reports 2.6.21-omap1 Sep 05 21:28:33 (on the tablet) Sep 05 21:28:35 Oh, sorry, I misunderstood Sep 05 21:28:36 earksiinni: did you enable usb host mode? :P Sep 05 21:28:39 yep Sep 05 21:28:47 (in musb_hdrc or something) Sep 05 21:28:52 yep yep Sep 05 21:28:53 is the hub powered? Sep 05 21:29:03 yes, but i tried it both powered and unpowered Sep 05 21:29:19 what does dmesg say? Sep 05 21:29:44 er, i'm not entirely sure...whenever i run "dmesg" it's blank, and "dmesg -c" returns something different each time Sep 05 21:30:07 lcuk I LUVVVZZZ IIIIIUUUUUUUU Sep 05 21:30:20 pardon? Sep 05 21:30:25 (lawl) Sep 05 21:30:31 http://www.myspaceclipart.com/sexyanimations/acuteanimaltwenty.jpg Sep 05 21:30:47 Heh, nice. "ls: ./foo.iso: Value too large for defined data type" Sep 05 21:31:21 i can say this though Sep 05 21:31:43 lbt: i recommend a apt-get dist-upgrade :P Sep 05 21:31:53 ok, let's get this done with Sep 05 21:32:02 who here works at Nokia in Finland? Sep 05 21:32:03 not deblet_update? Sep 05 21:32:06 earksiinni: if it's a power problem, the patch here may be of some use: http://dvbh.kilu.de/ Sep 05 21:32:12 one time when i plugged in my hub (powered) "dmesg -c" reported something like "tusb_source_power 633: VBUS a_wait_vrise, devctl 81 otg 184 conf c0010001 prcm 00a80500" Sep 05 21:32:23 earksiinni: n810? Sep 05 21:32:38 no, n800 Sep 05 21:32:57 using usbcontrol? Sep 05 21:33:03 hmm, not the musb hanging bug then Sep 05 21:33:22 i tried with both usbcontrol and just doing it from the terminal Sep 05 21:33:23 lbt: upgrade_deblet just updates the local repo, apt-get dist-upgrade actually upgrades :P Sep 05 21:33:32 qwerty: musb hanging bug, you say? Sep 05 21:33:35 (the packages installed) Sep 05 21:33:59 earksiinni: it only affects n810 according to the fix creator Sep 05 21:34:05 ok - dist-upgrading then... Sep 05 21:35:45 i see Sep 05 21:35:49 well, any other ideas? Sep 05 21:36:14 tried that patch to remove the power check? Sep 05 21:36:36 crashanddie, they usually aren't that forward. Sep 05 21:36:39 lol alright one sec Sep 05 21:42:30 * ToyKeeper wonders YTF the user is UID 29999 instead of a more typical 1000 Sep 05 21:43:14 ToyKeeper: 999 is 666 turned upside down. the 29 are just to get it above 1000. Sep 05 21:44:59 So much for using numeric IDs with nfs/rsync... I suppose I could chown everything, though. Sep 05 21:47:50 I hate Samsung Sep 05 21:48:17 nope, didn't work Sep 05 21:48:17 * GeneralAntilles likes Samsung. Sep 05 21:48:23 Everybody does. But Semsung does not care. Sep 05 21:48:29 http://www.submiturpics.com/images/722dq4e2y755om12esn.jpg Sep 05 21:48:30 I bought 9 1Tb disks Sep 05 21:48:37 [in the meanwhile] Sep 05 21:48:44 in june Sep 05 21:48:57 I now have a list of 18 serial numbers Sep 05 21:49:02 RST38h, he your new hero? Sep 05 21:49:10 11 failures Sep 05 21:49:27 qwerty12_N800: i tried the patch, no dice Sep 05 21:49:46 sorry, 13 failures Sep 05 21:50:04 earksiinni: :(, is the hub actually working? Sep 05 21:50:15 yeah, i tested it on my laptop Sep 05 21:50:30 brand new Sep 05 21:50:47 GA: Of course not Sep 05 21:50:56 lbt, yeah, its thanks to you we now have warnings on the drives: "Not to be used internally" :D :P Sep 05 21:50:58 GA: How could I betray the Cthulhu? =) Sep 05 21:51:15 lbt, try a different brand? :P Sep 05 21:51:28 agreed, thats a shockingly bad survival rate Sep 05 21:51:38 Better yet, ship them back to Samsung's RMA department filled with feces. Sep 05 21:51:40 lbt: The morale of this story is that you should always look for failure reports on the Net before buying 9 HDs Sep 05 21:51:51 whoa hold on Sep 05 21:51:59 dmesg is now working for some reason Sep 05 21:52:02 My experience with Samsung is limited to their LCDs and their cellphones. Sep 05 21:52:05 Which has been overwhelmingly good Sep 05 21:52:07 back then they weren't so bad Sep 05 21:52:17 GA: Their digital cameras are shit Sep 05 21:52:19 I can't say that I would buy one of their drives, though. Sep 05 21:52:22 but they are the only company in the UK to do advance-replacements Sep 05 21:52:35 RST38h, yeah, well, I'd never buy anything but Canon or Nikon. Sep 05 21:52:44 btw I have a Samsung HD in HTPC and it still works after a few years Sep 05 21:52:46 lbt, as with lots of tech, pushing things to the extremes and being on the bleeding edge isnt as rewarding as hanging back a little Sep 05 21:52:54 GA: Casio is an ok compact Sep 05 21:52:58 I needed the space... Sep 05 21:53:07 GA: Not much different from the same-sized Canon, given the same sensor Sep 05 21:53:12 qwerty12_n800: i'm getting some error messages in dmesg about musb Sep 05 21:53:22 you still do, but now you know the courier intimately Sep 05 21:53:25 Canon just replaced our S500 with an SD850IS for free Sep 05 21:53:34 Olympus is also ok (non DSLR, of course) Sep 05 21:53:40 however, having had 11 (I double checked) disk failures, I haven't lost any data (yet) thanks to linux raid Sep 05 21:53:46 just send your backups to irc Sep 05 21:53:49 GA: What happened with S500? Sep 05 21:53:53 CCD was prone to failure in high-humidity environments Sep 05 21:53:58 Oh Sep 05 21:54:00 recovery is available in scrollback Sep 05 21:54:08 Started outputting garbage. Sep 05 21:54:10 earksiinni: I probably won't be able to decipher them :) Sep 05 21:54:11 /home/ersin/maemo_kernel/kernel-source-diablo-2.6.21/kernel-source/drivers/usb/musb/tusb6010.c musb_platform_enable: dma not reactivated Sep 05 21:54:12 not uncommon though Sep 05 21:54:22 they replaced my IS S1 with an IS S5 recently too Sep 05 21:54:28 oh, just wondering if it might have been related to that musb bug you mentioned Sep 05 21:54:36 Have an Olympus C-3030 zoom from way back when Sep 05 21:54:37 ccd problem Sep 05 21:54:48 * RST38h is considering buying a G9 but having doubts Sep 05 21:54:48 lbt, what kind of cabinet are you storing these in - is it optimum Sep 05 21:54:57 Dell servers Sep 05 21:55:00 Same small noisy sensor as in compacts Sep 05 21:55:04 4 in each Sep 05 21:55:10 I almost upgraded th S500 to a refurbed Rebel XT for $275 Sep 05 21:55:12 no heat issues Sep 05 21:55:16 earksiinni: the dma is buggy on the tablet, it may be worth disabling it Sep 05 21:55:21 cool :) literally Sep 05 21:55:41 G9 is close enough to DSLR that I would just take the leap. Sep 05 21:55:59 d'oh, deblet won't boot, it reboots itself instead :/ Sep 05 21:56:03 qwerty12_N800: does that have negative side effects? slower speed? Sep 05 21:56:03 I've already got an XTi, though and my mother still wanted a compact. Sep 05 21:56:06 Lifetime Max Temperature: 39 Celsius Sep 05 21:56:07 GAN: That is most unfortunate part Sep 05 21:56:07 have you put it down to bad luck or are you looking for alternatives? Sep 05 21:56:13 smartctl -l scttempsts /dev/sdb Sep 05 21:56:26 earksiinni: yep, slower speeds :( Sep 05 21:56:29 GAN: G9 has got decent optics, decent controls, etc. but behind all that is a noisy little 12mpx sensor Sep 05 21:56:31 you haven't got feiserfs on them have you? Sep 05 21:56:36 I have them now - so I'm asking Samsung to replace them with enterprise drives Sep 05 21:56:38 =( Sep 05 21:56:38 no Sep 05 21:56:40 xfs Sep 05 21:56:44 GAN: And if you look at samples it really shows :( Sep 05 21:56:45 hi folks Sep 05 21:56:46 I used to work for SGI :) Sep 05 21:56:52 good, cos ive heard that can kill the drives Sep 05 21:56:57 hi yury Sep 05 21:57:04 sick Sep 05 21:57:04 maybe someone could help me with this.. I'm trying to refresh update list on my N770 Sep 05 21:57:06 lcuk: *rimshot* Sep 05 21:57:16 I get a message "Unable to refresh list.." Sep 05 21:57:38 s/N770/770/g Sep 05 21:57:51 ..too much slash Sep 05 21:57:51 huh? Sep 05 21:58:33 qwerty12_N800: what exactly does your patch do? remove the 200mA power restriction? Sep 05 21:58:38 it has Tablet OS 2006 installed, so I dont see "log" in tools menu Sep 05 21:58:46 yury_usa, you've probably got a bad repo in your list. Sep 05 21:58:48 lbt: did it succeed? Sep 05 21:58:59 GAN800, how do I get rid of it? Sep 05 21:59:03 don't do a dist-upgrade over ssh :( Sep 05 21:59:04 run apt-get update in xterm. Sep 05 21:59:10 Restarting network connection manager: NetworkManager Sep 05 21:59:12 d'oh Sep 05 21:59:17 earksiinni: oh, it's not my patch but it disables the pwr check Sep 05 21:59:43 GAN800, do I need root acc? Sep 05 21:59:57 hmm Sep 05 21:59:58 ~root-access Sep 05 21:59:59 [root-access] http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Sep 05 22:00:12 Or just start disabling repos until it works. Sep 05 22:00:18 * qwerty12_N800 never put rootsh in a 06 repo Sep 05 22:00:28 lbt: yeah, ran into that one too :P Sep 05 22:00:37 so no wifi atm Sep 05 22:00:57 u mean uninstalling, cuz I cant disable them in OS 2006 Sep 05 22:01:29 Urg Sep 05 22:01:41 Think of this as an opportunity to upgrade to OS2007 or OS2008 HE? Sep 05 22:01:54 where can I get it? Sep 05 22:02:05 ~flashing Sep 05 22:02:06 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 05 22:02:17 hmm Sep 05 22:03:49 Stskeeps: is that the last thing? Sep 05 22:03:55 lbt: yeah Sep 05 22:03:58 apt-get install -f says nothing to do Sep 05 22:04:01 so a reboot? Sep 05 22:04:04 yup Sep 05 22:04:15 then you should be up to date Sep 05 22:04:25 windeblet Sep 05 22:04:39 well this is just because i dont want to list what services to restart :P Sep 05 22:04:53 and there's fixes to the boot scripts Sep 05 22:05:20 I restarted network-manager but yeah, init 6 is easier Sep 05 22:05:29 tum te tum Sep 05 22:10:33 one question, if I flash to 2008HE will I lose all files except the ones on memory card? Sep 05 22:10:41 Yes Sep 05 22:10:48 I believe the wiki article covers that at the top. Sep 05 22:10:55 most importantly I wanna keep all the bookmarks and rss feeds Sep 05 22:17:01 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/d6d5414e Sep 05 22:17:27 eh. Sep 05 22:17:32 I've dist-upgraded, rebooted, deblet_upgraded, updated and installes Sep 05 22:17:41 s/les/led/ Sep 05 22:17:42 lbt meant: I've dist-upgraded, rebooted, deblet_upgraded, updated and installed Sep 05 22:18:11 is it in /nit-repository/binary? Sep 05 22:18:35 oh, lemme guess, you used nit-env-stskeeps before? Sep 05 22:18:43 yes Sep 05 22:19:00 apt-get install tablet-gdm-autologin first, and let's see if that works Sep 05 22:19:07 (i so look forward to be getting rid of nit-env-stskeeps) Sep 05 22:19:25 * qwerty12_N800 rejoices Sep 05 22:20:06 does it tend to freeze over ssh when the backlight dims Sep 05 22:20:36 yeah, it's part of wifi powersave that works now cos you have dsme sockets from /tmp -> /boot Sep 05 22:20:55 you can adjust it with set_dim_something 300 600 and it's more tolerable Sep 05 22:21:00 or kill wifi powersave Sep 05 22:22:18 iwconfig wlan0 power off Sep 05 22:23:22 nah, you need to kill the process that listens to activity Sep 05 22:24:02 ok Sep 05 22:24:55 it intensely increases battery life, so :P Sep 05 22:25:00 but yes, it is a bit irritating while sshing in Sep 05 22:26:00 Stskeeps, I am in gnome! and it's kinda tripping me out to see gnome on such a small device ;) Sep 05 22:27:08 teamcobra: hehe Sep 05 22:27:14 teamcobra: kde3 exists too Sep 05 22:30:00 now I just have to get network-manager working, it seems Sep 05 22:30:10 nm-applet should run Sep 05 22:33:20 yup, gotta run it as root, but it did start up Sep 05 22:35:15 and just connected w/ wep :) amazing Sep 05 22:35:55 Stskeeps, 1 minor usability quirk though.... crtl doesn't map to crtl, it seems... other than that, I'm still picking my jaw off of the floor Sep 05 22:37:45 teamcobra: feel free to figure out how to fix it :P Sep 05 22:38:01 * Stskeeps doesn't own a n810 so Sep 05 22:38:25 ahh, then I shall toy w/ it :) Sep 05 22:39:19 it's prolly a xmodmap issue Sep 05 22:47:30 Maybe a stupid question, but can I setup a toolchain that might work for the Beagle in Deblet? Sep 05 22:48:46 it's both armel isn't it? just apt-get build-essential :P Sep 05 22:49:05 apt-get install build-essential Sep 05 22:49:09 gcc, make, all that stuff :P Sep 05 22:49:23 I'm suffering with a kernel that, apparently, has broken OTG support Sep 05 22:49:33 and can't get ahold of a pre-compiled kernel that's not broken Sep 05 22:51:44 should be possible to build just fine Sep 05 22:51:56 'night all Sep 05 22:52:06 (thanks for the help Stskeeps Sep 05 22:52:16 nini Sep 05 22:53:41 off as well, battery running out :P Sep 05 22:57:12 night stskeeps Sep 05 22:57:18 brb, rebooting my router Sep 05 23:04:15 I'm trying to setup my Google Apps domain with gtalk on n800, does anybody know what's the settings to get it running ? Sep 05 23:08:24 Syntux: does it not work if you select google talk and enter in your own address? Sep 05 23:08:38 or does it only let you set @gmail.com or @googlemail.com? Sep 05 23:09:05 Robot101, no it doesn't, I picked jabber for that to use my own domain Sep 05 23:09:09 if so, select Jabber and go to Advanced, put Connect Server as talk.google.com, Use Old SSL, and port 5223 Sep 05 23:09:21 lemme try that Sep 05 23:09:29 I think thats where the hosted domains are too Sep 05 23:09:43 otherwise take a look at host -t SRV _xmpp-client._tcp.yourdomain.com Sep 05 23:09:45 and see what it says Sep 05 23:09:49 anyway, gotta go Sep 05 23:11:19 Robot101, lovely, thank you ;-) Sep 05 23:30:24 Should I be using Claws if I want PGP support in an e-mail client for Maemo? Sep 05 23:30:41 PGP support isn't critical for me (especially on a mobile platform), but I was curious... Sep 06 01:18:19 Could somebody ban this luser? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 Sep 06 01:20:02 hehe that's the way a bug report should be filed :D Sep 06 01:22:07 . . . if you want yourself banned. Sep 06 01:23:39 oh, i nearly forgot about *that* detail. Sep 06 01:24:12 honestly, sometimes i wonder if the "keep every single bug policy" is really worth it :/ Sep 06 01:24:53 I guess the issue is the sequential bug numbering Sep 06 01:24:59 but I don't really know. Sep 06 01:25:03 There are some I'd really like to delete. Sep 06 01:29:24 GAN: Well, I can't wholeheartedly say this guy is incorrect Sep 06 01:30:09 most of us agree that modest sucks most of the time :) Sep 06 01:30:44 but still no reason to litter the bugtracker ;) Sep 06 01:32:31 That doesn't make it a useful bug report Sep 06 01:32:47 I could file a bug report saying that a lot of Nokia's management is shitty. Sep 06 01:32:53 It may be correct Sep 06 01:32:55 but it's not useful Sep 06 01:33:00 Besides, I don't have any issues with Modest here. Sep 06 01:33:43 The bug tracker is for filing bug reports Sep 06 01:33:47 not blowing off steam. Sep 06 01:33:47 it crashes here all the time but i had no patience to collect backtraces so i just disabled it.. Sep 06 01:34:30 atleast the automatic fetching and notification... Sep 06 01:35:51 and when i doubt i just ssh into my box and use mutt ;) Sep 06 01:36:40 I love pccables.com Sep 06 01:37:06 3 high-quality 2M HDMI cables and 1 HDMI-to-DVI 2M cable for $40 shipped Sep 06 01:37:12 I'd've paid $200 at Best Buy. Sep 06 01:38:39 cable prices are ridicolous in 99% of the cases. Sep 06 01:41:02 was there actually any more or less decent image editing application for maemo? (to do level correction, white balancing and stuff) Sep 06 01:41:04 "figured you assholes would do something like that. FIX THE FUCKING EMAIL APP YOU STUPID INCOMPETENT MORONS!!!!!!" Sep 06 01:43:35 * GeneralAntilles forwards it off to the bugmasters. Sep 06 01:43:43 jott, not that I've seen. Sep 06 01:43:49 Unless you count "running" GIMP Sep 06 01:43:59 yuck. Sep 06 01:46:37 btw, do you guys think it would be possible to connect the NIT through wireless, and have it forward all the touch information to a computer through bluetooth or wifi? Sep 06 01:46:48 How big is the lag in bluetooth? <1ms? Sep 06 01:47:02 Yeah, not much. Sep 06 01:47:06 Wifi will give a ~10ms lag Sep 06 01:47:25 or well, even USB for that matter Sep 06 01:47:50 but I'd like to see if the tablet would be usable as a poor man's touch tablet Sep 06 01:48:02 jott: Tablets use 16bpp displays Sep 06 01:48:17 RST38h: i know. Sep 06 01:50:26 Oooh Sep 06 01:50:28 It gets better Sep 06 01:50:29 http://slexy.org/view/s205xjaoPo Sep 06 01:51:23 GeneralAntilles, where the hell does that come from? Sep 06 01:51:35 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 Sep 06 01:51:53 http://slexy.org/view/s2WvFeJbRK Sep 06 01:52:17 jott: You won't be doing any image processing on that Sep 06 01:52:51 RST38h: sure, i can do simple white balancing and level corrections. Sep 06 01:53:00 nothing for production quality..... Sep 06 01:53:06 * GeneralAntilles waits eagerly for the next email. Sep 06 01:53:11 GAN: Promises of anal intercourse are cute but this is really high-school level of flaming Sep 06 01:53:11 but that's what i would not even use gimp for :/ Sep 06 01:53:17 (on a desktop) Sep 06 01:53:28 RST38h, yeah, I know, but I normally don't get reactions like this in my inbox. Sep 06 01:53:45 jott: Won't even be able to do white balancing and level corrections Sep 06 01:54:03 jott: I own a 16bpp laptop - it is absolutely useless for such things =( Sep 06 01:54:29 RST38h: why so? select a white spot, let the algorithm work. look at the histogram and stretch as needed. Sep 06 01:54:36 you could even do this "blind" Sep 06 01:55:44 yea, if you want to do it based solely on the histogram then no problem Sep 06 01:55:45 i don't want to publish it on a cover of a magazine ;) Sep 06 01:56:09 but looking at the image won't tell you anything - you are looking at 5 bits out of each 8 Sep 06 01:56:34 * GeneralAntilles forgot what he was doing. . . . Sep 06 01:56:47 well or out of 24 or out of a cmyk color space.. :) Sep 06 01:57:02 GeneralAntilles, isn't there a way to ban that email address? Sep 06 01:57:09 you can actually visually improve things, but i would never rely on that for serious usage. Sep 06 01:57:15 There is a better way to handle it Sep 06 01:57:39 use procmail to route email form this guy to a script that will respond with random paragraph of cursing Sep 06 01:57:39 I want to forward them to his grandmother. Sep 06 01:57:49 And let him chat with the script Sep 06 01:59:49 eliza to the rescue ;) Sep 06 02:02:58 i wonder how long such a guy would need until he notices ;) Sep 06 02:04:41 this one? he will talk for a long time Sep 06 02:09:27 crashanddie: I don't see any reason why the NIT couldn't do x2x or something similar. You could even use VNC for that, though it's far from ideal. Sep 06 02:09:55 [canadian] Eh? [/] Sep 06 02:09:55 Hey-ooooh! Sep 06 02:10:01 That's a working USB hub Sep 06 02:11:59 Hrm, X isn't starting. . . . Sep 06 02:14:15 crashanddie: You were wondering about using the NIT as a pointer device for another system? Sep 06 02:14:34 oh, right Sep 06 02:14:35 yeah Sep 06 02:14:38 but VNC is too sluggish Sep 06 02:15:17 x2x is definitely faster, but I don't know how it'd work for a touchscreen... I've only tried it with relative pointers, not absolute ones. Sep 06 02:15:19 Synergy? Sep 06 02:17:43 mmm Synergy is fun Sep 06 02:18:15 also, absolute vs relative might cause problems there Sep 06 02:28:00 Synergy is good if you need non-x11 support, or more than a few screens. Sep 06 02:28:45 For controlling a small number of x11 displays x2x is nicer... nowhere near as buggy, and much much smaller. Sep 06 02:36:19 hrm, are there higher resolution versions of the logos on the Logo Contest page? >_> Sep 06 02:36:22 vnc is actually quite ok too if you drastically reduce the image quality. Sep 06 02:36:51 rm_you, you'd probably need to poke their creators. Sep 06 02:36:59 damn Sep 06 02:37:06 i didnt realize these were all so low res Sep 06 02:37:11 i'm about out of time <_< Sep 06 02:37:29 i'll have to photoshop them to larger sizes and do cleanup the best i can Sep 06 02:37:35 Hehe Sep 06 02:37:38 Vectorize them Sep 06 02:37:41 Wont take too long for most. Sep 06 02:37:46 hrm Sep 06 02:37:52 Heck, you might be able to automate it for some Sep 06 02:37:55 you know how to do that? Sep 06 02:37:58 Standford or somebody has a web app. Sep 06 02:38:12 Open up Photoshop, start tracing shapes with the pen tool. Sep 06 02:38:34 <_< Sep 06 02:38:35 crap Sep 06 02:38:40 i'm horrible at that Sep 06 02:38:40 http://vectormagic.com/ Sep 06 02:38:51 Er Sep 06 02:38:52 Wrong one Sep 06 02:39:10 Huh Sep 06 02:39:13 Well, it WAS free. Sep 06 02:39:25 huh? it's not anymore? Sep 06 02:39:32 was a quite good quality. Sep 06 02:39:38 Apparently not . . . Sep 06 02:42:44 working here Sep 06 02:42:52 i can just screenshot this :P Sep 06 02:42:59 lulz Sep 06 02:43:05 or torrent it Sep 06 02:44:59 or stay free and use good old potrace ;) Sep 06 02:45:47 i think inkscape uses it too.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 06 02:59:57 2008