**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 06 02:59:57 2008 Sep 06 03:01:00 Well, one precompiled kernel image has working USB Sep 06 03:01:02 the other boots. Sep 06 03:01:04 Awesome. Sep 06 03:07:00 GeneralAntilles: what are you trying? angstrom? Sep 06 03:07:07 Angstrom Sep 06 03:07:09 and Deblet Sep 06 03:07:23 Deblet booted yesterday with a newer kernel Sep 06 03:07:30 But no USB, so I could only stare at the desktop Sep 06 03:07:54 Changed kernels to an older one with working USB Sep 06 03:07:59 Boot X wont start Sep 06 03:08:19 s/Boot/But/ Sep 06 03:08:20 GeneralAntilles meant: But X wont start Sep 06 03:09:46 isn't angstrom supposed to work? :) Sep 06 03:09:54 Supposedly. Sep 06 03:09:59 But evidently not with the kernel with working USB Sep 06 03:10:09 oh joy :) Sep 06 03:10:19 I wiped that partition and my N800 is expanding a new image onto it as we speak Sep 06 03:10:26 This would be easy if I had a working tool chain Sep 06 03:10:34 but Mac OS X/PPC . . . isn't well supported. ;) Sep 06 03:11:29 just get a real pc :P Sep 06 03:11:40 I'm gonna get an Intel machine at some point Sep 06 03:11:47 then I can run VMWare images of whatever the hell I want. Sep 06 03:11:52 But, $$$ Sep 06 03:12:33 does qemu run on ppc? ;) Sep 06 03:12:38 Yeah, it does. Sep 06 03:12:50 But the MacPorts port is broken at the moment Sep 06 03:13:00 you could run a x86 system in it :D Sep 06 03:13:09 I could do the cross-compiling in it, actually. Sep 06 03:13:37 I only have so much energy to overcome a certain number of hurdles. Sep 06 03:14:07 I may just resort to coercing people if this doesn't work. Sep 06 03:14:52 rm_you, you want to install the codesourcery tool chain, right? :P Sep 06 03:21:35 anyone recall if the battery icon should show an animated charging battery when it is plugged in? Sep 06 03:21:49 Typically Sep 06 03:21:54 Though sometimes it doesn't. Sep 06 03:23:49 lol Sep 06 03:23:50 well if the battery is full it stops too ... Sep 06 03:23:54 GeneralAntilles: lolwut? :P Sep 06 03:24:04 I need a freaking kernel Sep 06 03:24:13 Just one little itty bitty kernel. Sep 06 03:24:14 Oh yeah. Is there some way to make "bright black" display in osso-xterm? Sep 06 03:24:17 But, apparently, I can't get taht. Sep 06 03:24:41 ssh access for a working kernel. :P Sep 06 03:24:59 ToyKeeper: install http://sse2.net/xterm/libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb Sep 06 03:28:09 Thanks! Sep 06 03:28:17 Mutt looks much nicer now. :) Sep 06 03:28:56 heh irssi too :) Sep 06 03:29:54 hmm ~450kb for a static uclibc directfb executable on jffs2 :/ Sep 06 03:30:39 Yeesh Sep 06 03:30:51 Is there some way to tell a n810 to go into low-power modes? Sep 06 03:31:22 It'd be nice to have triggers for turning the screen off, and suspending. Sep 06 03:31:26 hmmm sometimes.. HMmm Sep 06 03:31:54 ToyKeeper: well usually going to offline mode is sufficient. Sep 06 03:32:03 I suppose 'xset dpms force off' would work for one of the two, if xset was around. Sep 06 03:32:07 Hit the power button once and it'll give you a menu from which you can blank the screen. Sep 06 03:32:33 Or just lock it with the lock button on the upper-right side of the case. Sep 06 03:33:30 The powersaving should cover you. Sep 06 03:33:40 If it's not, then there's something killing CPU Sep 06 03:33:45 and that's a separate issue. Sep 06 03:34:00 I'm not yet sure what to expect from the battery. Sep 06 03:34:44 I'm used to palm-type PDAs, or even my zaurus, where I can wake it up, check some items off a list, and suspend it again within 10 seconds or so. Sep 06 03:35:20 ~4-6 hours active use Sep 06 03:35:31 ~7-10 hours light use Sep 06 03:35:36 ToyKeeper: i can just "let it sit" for like... 7 days Sep 06 03:35:44 in what seems like "on" mode Sep 06 03:36:02 idle on wifi 2-4 days Sep 06 03:36:11 idle off wifi 6-30 days Sep 06 03:36:12 ToyKeeper: as i said, if you go to offline mode and then do as derf said, it will idle quite long. Sep 06 03:36:31 That's pretty impressive. Sep 06 03:38:03 then you install some buggy third party app and your battery life becomes 30mins :( Sep 06 03:39:14 ds3, the pitfalls of highly aggressive powersaving. Sep 06 03:41:53 I normally keep things plugged in and/or turned off as much as possible, so the NIT's approach seems pretty unusual... don't turn it off; just let it sit idle and go to sleep on its own. Sep 06 03:58:56 don't install misbehaving apps Sep 06 04:14:17 Enlightenment is purty Sep 06 07:48:43 morning lbt Sep 06 07:49:50 how to calibrate n800/diablo screen when the screen calibration can not do it anymore? Sep 06 07:50:26 morning Sep 06 07:51:20 just checking my raids to make sure I've not lost anymore drives, signed for another RMA'ed one (saturday, next day from samsung!!) Sep 06 07:51:23 the bottom-right corner is about 1cm or more off so that if I push the bottom of the screen, the click is done in 1cm on top of it. Sep 06 07:51:55 oilinki: why can't calibrate do it? Sep 06 07:53:46 lbt: when doing the calibration and I click the 3rd calibration point the program complains that I should click closer to the calibration point Sep 06 07:54:16 urgh - I wonder if there is a calibration file you can delete Sep 06 07:54:30 maybe the default setting is close enough Sep 06 07:54:43 maybe your touch screen is broken in some way Sep 06 07:54:53 I'm in deblet at the moment so I can't search Sep 06 07:55:23 lbt: /etc/pointercal or something Sep 06 07:55:30 remove it and it will restore to default at boot.. maybe Sep 06 07:55:40 cant remember if it does it default or not Sep 06 07:55:52 lbt: I tried to delete the file, but then the device or X will restart after the first click Sep 06 07:56:17 OK, can you get someone to send you a copy? Sep 06 07:56:18 I just reflashed n800 for diablo and hoped that it would have helped, but not. Sep 06 07:56:27 ah - that's not good Sep 06 07:56:28 If it doesn't you can get the pointercal files from the xomap-server package Sep 06 07:56:39 Proteous may have been right. Sep 06 07:56:54 Proteous: yes. that might be it as well Sep 06 07:57:01 Are there any drawing apps you can use to see where the pointer appears Sep 06 07:57:04 hey Stskeeps Sep 06 07:57:12 if it is smooth then that's a good start Sep 06 07:57:30 my Zaurus got kinda jaggy in the end as the screen wore Sep 06 07:57:32 morning qwerty12 Sep 06 08:00:52 I made lines to the screen and on the screen the lines start to go up on the right corner Sep 06 08:01:28 non-linear calibration is not supported :( Sep 06 08:05:15 * qwerty12 learns not to apply the WEXT patch for cx3100 to a cx3100 module that is intended for use in maemo Sep 06 08:05:15 well I guess i try to open the n800 and clean the screen if there is some dirt Sep 06 08:14:44 Stskeeps: interesting, that browser you want packaged can already run on N800 in maemo Sep 06 08:21:33 so lxde is up - but there is no virtual keyboard - what's that called? Sep 06 08:22:55 hope it's short - I have to cut'n'paste a dummy command to get an error to get enough letters to cut'n'paste the keyboard applet command... Sep 06 08:23:07 ssh Sep 06 08:23:31 I need the keyboard to enter the passwd for the keyring for the wep key :) Sep 06 08:23:49 Ah, my bad :), I once had to do the same thing, it was a nightmare :P Sep 06 08:24:07 I'm getting used to it... Sep 06 08:24:29 still, this useability stuff will help make deblet better Sep 06 08:24:42 I think what I did in the end was connect the thing to my computer and change the config files by hand so it was started automatically Sep 06 08:24:51 I think the keyboard is called matchbox-keyboard Sep 06 08:25:03 i'll see Sep 06 08:28:42 qwerty12: i know, but not in deblet :P Sep 06 08:29:22 Qwerty! What's up big daddy? :) Sep 06 08:29:37 Stskeeps: :), I'll reflash the original kernel and reinstall deblet, with the gnome-full this time Sep 06 08:29:48 and lxde afterwards :> Sep 06 08:29:51 Addison: hey Sep 06 08:30:02 Right back at you slick! Sep 06 08:30:07 :) Sep 06 08:30:09 :) Sep 06 08:30:13 How's life treating you? Sep 06 08:30:15 qwerty12: i only tested -basic atleast, but sure :P Sep 06 08:30:34 For me, kind of like how a baby treats a diaper. *lol* Sep 06 08:30:41 Addison: I'm doing ok, looks like I wasn't that bad in school :) Sep 06 08:31:34 I just had orientation today. I've got 9 tests the first week of schooling. Needless to say, I'm screwed! Sep 06 08:31:37 Stskeeps: :P. Btw, I'm working on a very tiny enhancement for your installer, the ability to make the tablet connect to the internet if it isn't already, you won't believe how much times I got uk.debian.org not found etc halfway through the installer... Sep 06 08:31:51 qwerty12: ah, didn't know how to do that Sep 06 08:32:00 just do a diff and i'll commit it Sep 06 08:32:35 It's just a tiny program, lemme test it first Sep 06 08:32:42 Hey qwerty, any chance you would be open to a luxury request for your new Xterm upgrade? Sep 06 08:33:02 Addison: it depends if I have the knowledge to actually do it :) Sep 06 08:33:22 I guess that means no then! *lol* Sep 06 08:33:52 :P Sep 06 08:34:22 qwerty12: was ke-recv basically just get kernel events (gpio and such) and send out on dbus? Sep 06 08:35:14 Stskeeps: yes, but I don't know if it sends out on dbus, I think the other daemons do that (hal, hulda etc), come think of it hulda may be part of ke-recv Sep 06 08:35:23 Stskeeps: do you know what the keyboard applet is ? matchbox-keyboard? Sep 06 08:35:31 I was thinking about a feature to adjust the display colours like that in PuTTY.... Configuration->Window->Colours Sep 06 08:35:57 lxde has no keybaord so I'm trying to cut'n'paste it Sep 06 08:36:11 Addison: Oh noez, that is way out of my league :). How about just a simple background and font colour change? :P :) Sep 06 08:36:11 lbt: yes, matchbox-keyboard Sep 06 08:36:32 lbt: it should be included in -lxde afaik Sep 06 08:36:37 so it's under Accessories Sep 06 08:36:40 (Keyboard) Sep 06 08:39:22 Noez is not a real word. Stop using words that have no meaning, qwerty! :) Sep 06 08:41:24 lbt: found it under accessories? Sep 06 08:41:38 yep Sep 06 08:41:43 k Sep 06 08:46:21 i want to make a product that uses this as logo: http://2photo.ru/uploads/posts/1/20070706/asaf_hanuka/06_07_2007_0253868001183744580_asaf_hanuka.jpg :> Sep 06 08:46:45 ooh, i c an xda Sep 06 08:47:40 http://2photo.ru/2007/05/16/eshhe_odni_raboty_illjustratora_asaf_hanuka.html (collection of quite interesting art :P) Sep 06 08:47:56 exit code 0 means successful right? Sep 06 08:48:36 usually, yeah Sep 06 08:48:41 thanks Sep 06 08:48:42 that means your IT will self destruct in 10 seconds Sep 06 08:48:44 GET AWAY Sep 06 08:49:10 NO, I will die with my IT! Sep 06 08:49:23 probably just seriously mamed Sep 06 08:51:37 Well it looks like you're busy tonight qwerty, I'll hit you up another time. Sep 06 08:51:48 Have a good night you scum lapping sack of puke! *lol* Sep 06 08:52:01 See ya qwerty, good luck with school. :) Sep 06 08:52:06 Bye, thanks :) Sep 06 08:54:40 Stskeeps: n3x has a point, it's what I wanted to do sometime: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221385&postcount=13 Sep 06 09:11:31 GeneralAntilles: Nice, I bet deblet runs a hell of a lot faster on the beagle :D Sep 06 09:11:52 I didn't actually have USB there Sep 06 09:11:55 So I couldn't say. Sep 06 09:12:06 Enlightenment on the Ångstrom image is quite snappy, though. Sep 06 09:13:01 Cool Sep 06 09:13:06 Is the finger-keyboard part of h-i-m? Sep 06 09:13:13 yeah, iirc Sep 06 09:13:27 That'd be really nice. Sep 06 09:15:27 If you can get a toolchain in angstrom/deblet, you could probably compile it but you would have to compile the rest of the hildon libs too. As soon as I get a proper gnome deblet, I'm gonna try and work on hildon-input-method in deblet Sep 06 09:15:46 For now, I'm racking my brains on trying to stop a loop Sep 06 09:17:28 You know, I kinda only just realized I have a 4th virtual desktop sitting completely unused. . . . Sep 06 09:23:21 Stskeeps: ping Sep 06 10:10:05 qwerty12: yeah but isnt it very hildon specific? Sep 06 10:10:33 im in a car at 130km/h so a bit lagged Sep 06 10:10:36 Stskeeps: tbh, I think it just works on any gtkentry Sep 06 10:10:57 Stskeeps: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/start-internet Sep 06 10:11:38 The binary is simplicity itself. If the tablet is in offline mode, it asks to take it out. If the wifi is disconnected it brings up the select connection and if its already connected it does nothing Sep 06 10:11:48 ta Sep 06 10:12:10 It returns 0 when it's connected, 1 when its disconnected/disconnecting :) Sep 06 10:13:59 k Sep 06 10:14:47 so hildon is just a gtkim? as in on screeen kbd Sep 06 10:16:04 yeah basically, you would probably need to compile the hildon libs for the keyboard (and maybe the control panel) but it works on gtk input boxes (hildonised or not). I wouldn't tout it as a matchbox-replacement but it's useful when you don't want to keep toggling the matchbox Sep 06 10:17:17 intruiging Sep 06 10:17:37 i hate mb-kbd so Sep 06 10:18:12 +1. in all honesty, I prefer the windows osk to the linux osk's :/ Sep 06 10:19:37 is osk hildon restricted to matchbox wm? Sep 06 10:19:56 I dunno why some people love that damn keyboard so much Sep 06 10:20:12 Stskeeps: don't think so, I've used it in fvwm2 Sep 06 10:20:44 I'm reinstalling gnome with the standard kernel and initfs, i'll set up a dev environment in deblet soon and try this out Sep 06 10:20:53 k Sep 06 10:21:04 sounds good Sep 06 10:21:30 is the input method oss? Sep 06 10:21:39 yeah Sep 06 10:21:52 ubuntu mobile has an edition but I prefer the maemo version Sep 06 10:26:10 is there an sqlite3 executable for diablo/chinook somewhere? Sep 06 10:32:41 I think that's come up on the lists Sep 06 10:32:50 or in bugzilla too Sep 06 10:52:55 Hmm, i could need some type of todo-list, but with an applet, so i can be reminded every time i pull up the tablet. :-) Sep 06 10:53:07 gpe-todo? Sep 06 10:53:20 with gpesummary Sep 06 10:53:49 But it seems buggy, it always displays "no todo's" Sep 06 10:54:09 works fine with the calendar though, but not with the todo. Sep 06 10:54:31 it worked for me, make sure you actually have a due date set on the todo's and it's "in progress" Sep 06 10:55:06 in the end, I didn't need a pim so I replaced it with yellownotes which isn't a todo thing but exactly what I wanted Sep 06 10:56:54 qwerty12, Hm, it's due by two weeks, status is in progress, priority high. Could try to decrease the due by and add a category... Sep 06 10:59:31 No, no go. Sep 06 11:00:03 dunno, it worked for me :/ Sep 06 11:00:12 Bugs, bugs, bugs... Sep 06 11:00:35 Wait, now it works... Sep 06 11:00:36 odd. Sep 06 11:02:26 Meh. Only works if it's due by today. Sep 06 11:08:05 Hm, I'll just write the date as yesterday, and then write the actual due-by in the summary Sep 06 11:08:09 Easiest. :-) Sep 06 11:46:58 Khertan1, io Sep 06 11:47:20 Khertan1, what happened with "Darius Jack" ? Sep 06 11:48:31 when you were young and your mama told you stories about the boogie man, when n00bs enter certain communities on the net they are told haunting ghostly tails about a darius jack Sep 06 11:48:44 he will catch you when you least expect it Sep 06 11:56:01 who the fuck is this idiot darius anyway? Sep 06 11:56:20 he should be surgically removed from what I can see Sep 06 11:57:11 nahhhh, he helps to fill up the google groups numbers, i think hes going for the world record for joining and creating the most groups ever Sep 06 11:58:04 really? Sep 06 11:58:19 I did remember his name from somewhere, might be from fclp Sep 06 12:00:46 yer, he spends most of his time setting up groups for different things without actually getting his hands dirty. Sep 06 12:01:40 funnily enough, when you google darius jack, you find maemo-dev quite high on the list Sep 06 12:01:54 and also that jack darius is a Baywatch character Sep 06 12:02:12 http://tko.jaiku.com/presence/37708329 Sep 06 12:03:47 the thing is, hes not exactly a troll - at least not in the normal trolling terms, hes just misguided and doesnt listen to advice Sep 06 12:10:35 he just needs some serious slapping again! Sep 06 12:12:00 [Information about a play] Robbins as King Darius, Jack as Daniel, Marissa as Nathan,... Sep 06 12:12:07 Wait, WHAT? Sep 06 12:12:35 "Jack as Daniel", ok, you have some funky sense of humour, but "Marissa as Nathan", really? Sep 06 13:03:52 The apt sources.list still resides in /etc/apt, right? Sep 06 13:04:01 Because it's empty. :-( Need it to get NFS working. Sep 06 13:04:11 Well, i need to add a repo. Sep 06 13:04:45 hi all Sep 06 13:07:18 flo_lap, Hey there. :-) Sep 06 13:08:10 man, dj's swung to the conspicuously nutty phase again, hasn't he :\ Sep 06 13:09:02 now to find out who makes tinfoil hat detectors for computers Sep 06 13:20:50 I'm beginning to suspect that Darius Jack's emails are actually a the result of running "cat /dev/random | mail" whilst on The Heart of Gold. Sep 06 13:22:01 lbt, i imagine he will actually wet himself when apple released the large form factor newton Sep 06 13:27:45 morning. i just flashed for 2008he. how to gain root Sep 06 13:27:52 on my 770 Sep 06 13:44:45 lo qwerty12_N800 Sep 06 13:44:56 hi Stskeeps Sep 06 13:45:15 i saw someone adjusted qt to use hildon im as well Sep 06 13:45:45 cool, how well does it work? Sep 06 13:47:12 no clue, maybe mamona has something too? Sep 06 13:47:30 Morning, all Sep 06 13:47:42 http://andrunko.blogspot.com/ Sep 06 13:47:48 for qt im Sep 06 13:47:58 Afternoon Jaffa Sep 06 13:48:06 cool, looking now Sep 06 13:48:34 the current svn version should be better. Sep 06 13:50:37 you can also look at the slides by gnuton from last akademy about h-i-m integration in qt. Sep 06 13:52:14 qwerty12_N800: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/qt4-x11-4.4.0/src/gui/inputmethod/?root=qt4 Sep 06 13:52:31 thanks Sep 06 14:04:28 qwerty12: http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/HildonInputMethod Sep 06 14:04:31 very useful Sep 06 14:04:34 aand Sep 06 14:05:26 it seems like we should prolly just recompile the ubuntu packages since debian packages are hopeless Sep 06 14:05:29 :P Sep 06 14:05:37 yep :) Sep 06 14:05:58 and then it looks like it Sep 06 14:06:16 dunno about the nokia im methods dependancies though but i will look Sep 06 14:10:31 Who is in charge of the lists? Sep 06 14:11:18 A number of people. Bugzilla's the right place if there's a problem. Sep 06 14:11:28 Dunno but they/him/her must be sitting on their arse(s) if they have not removed Darius. Sep 06 14:12:04 So I should open a Bugzilla if I want the user warned/off the list? Sep 06 14:12:43 Probably should have a discussion on maemo-community about it, which - if there's consensus - then raise a bug about it Sep 06 14:12:55 No Sep 06 14:13:20 If it's me you want booted, ignore all that and here, have some money Sep 06 14:13:20 he is harassing the list, someone needs to send him at least a warning Sep 06 14:13:51 having another discussion will only continue to extend the problem onto the -community list Sep 06 14:15:00 Which list, cos I've not seen the harrasment; but one of them might be lying about me still being subscribed Sep 06 14:15:37 -developers, look at darius's stuff Sep 06 14:15:37 qwerty12_N800: isnt it just building h-i-f and either use ume kbd or wedge maemo pnes in? Sep 06 14:15:50 qwerty12 Sep 06 14:15:52 hi Sep 06 14:15:52 :) Sep 06 14:16:03 hi Persia Sep 06 14:16:10 Stskeeps: h-i-f? Sep 06 14:16:19 (/usr/lib/hildon-input-method Sep 06 14:16:26 oh, framework Sep 06 14:16:32 umm Batman.The.Dark.Knight.2008.READNFO.TELECINE.XViD-TheBatman is the better quality yeah? Sep 06 14:16:45 i think that's better than DVDSCR Sep 06 14:17:06 There is no componeint in bugzilla for the lists ( as far as I can find ) Sep 06 14:17:33 Stskeeps: yeah, i think that's basicly it (i hope) Sep 06 14:17:41 which one u grabbed? Sep 06 14:22:05 Jaffa: if you are not going to do something I will post something to -community and -developer requesting help Sep 06 14:25:49 brontide: I can't do anything - I've no power on the moderation of the lists. Sep 06 14:25:56 * Jaffa has no power in anything Sep 06 14:26:00 Do you know who does? Sep 06 14:26:16 I would rather this be a private plea than a public ariting Sep 06 14:27:36 brontide: Dave Neary sent a private email - Darius bounced it to the list Sep 06 14:28:01 brontide, maemo-community list run by ferenc at maemo.org Sep 06 14:28:09 thanks Sep 06 14:29:42 Oh FFS. The listserv is doing the same thing that happened last time I had email problems: it claims I'm still subscribed, but isn't delivering me any email. Sep 06 14:29:54 brontide: sorry if I gave you the impression I was some kind of list moderator. Sep 06 14:30:27 No problems, it's just sometime hard to tell with so many people helping out Sep 06 14:34:10 BTW, From external observation - Darius is acting like someone I used to work with who had fairly extreme Asperger's Syndrome. Sep 06 14:35:20 I'm sure part of his issue is the grasp of the english language, but for the most part it's attitude and understanding Sep 06 14:35:42 brontide: there you go.... Sep 06 14:36:01 hehe, a little AS is good when developing for tablets, but extreme sounds like a nightmare Sep 06 14:38:46 as tablet developers need to talk with others since its not fully documented:P Sep 06 14:40:32 Stskeeps: trial and error FTW Sep 06 14:53:10 The apt sources.list still resides in /etc/apt, right? Sep 06 14:53:39 sources.list.d too Sep 06 15:03:54 Ah, thanks. Sep 06 15:04:03 Seems like i had a few updates.. :-) Sep 06 15:05:37 but kernel-diablo-modules-extra did'nt exist... ): Sep 06 15:06:08 and portmap is'nt installable... ): Sep 06 15:06:09 aaw. Sep 06 15:13:21 hm. What are my cron options on the tablet? Sep 06 15:13:49 (read: what should I use in order to make sure something will run on periodical basis, won't drain my battery, respect power saving levels, offline mode, etc.) Sep 06 15:15:40 alarmd. good luck setting it up. Sep 06 15:16:05 qwerty12, you didn't have any luck with cron? Sep 06 15:16:44 johnx: oh for me, cron works great thanks, I'm answering yacoob in regards to " respect ... offline mode, etc.)" Sep 06 15:16:54 qwerty12 :) Sep 06 15:17:11 I think I can just wrap my command in connectivity checker... Sep 06 15:17:28 maybe anacron + dbus-script Sep 06 17:07:22 Hmm, an ssh server on this thing cant be safe, can it? I mean, i cant change the user pass? Sep 06 17:07:34 Or do i add another user and only allow that one to log in? Sep 06 17:08:58 Because the default user (aptly called user) has no password, you cannot ssh in with that user. But you can ssh in with the "root" account and the openssh server asks to set a password for that. Sep 06 17:09:29 btw, rott is properly working now :), I'll release an update to my 1/2 working "port" soon Sep 06 17:09:37 qwerty12, ah, right, so i'll passwd as root then. :-) Sep 06 17:10:09 ssh asks to set the root password during install :) Sep 06 17:10:25 qwerty12, ah :D thank you! Sep 06 17:11:48 OH. MY. GOD. Canola has lastfm support. WHOOP! Sep 06 17:37:44 * Jaffa really boggles at the level of passion about the council election process - on ITT. Sep 06 17:54:49 Hmm, trying to get USB networking between N810 and Ubuntu laptop; following http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ and my tablet's going all rebooty Sep 06 18:08:52 Jaffa: I've been getting reboot loops myself for the first time recently Sep 06 18:12:35 What do you do if you encounter that? Flash the device? Sep 06 18:19:52 brontide: fortunately, now I'm not using the control panel applet but the command line it seems more stable. Sep 06 18:20:01 Should be sufficient to demo mediaserv at the summit, anyway Sep 06 18:21:17 good, you did know they were planing on having some sort of demo units for presentations that were projector attached, unfortunately I have not been able to pin down what that means. Sep 06 18:30:30 brontide: indeed, figured I should be prepared just in case... Sep 06 18:30:49 And I don't want to have to rely on a wireless LAN for a demo - I've seen bad experiences with them Sep 06 18:31:46 hola Sep 06 18:31:47 heh, understood.... with 150 people with one or more wifi devices it might get a little hairy at times Sep 06 18:34:40 cozy Sep 06 19:08:31 hmf why doesnt the Ctrl key work like the shift and funk key on the n810 keyboard Sep 06 19:09:28 you have to hold it down at the same time as the other key you press, you cant toggle it Sep 06 19:09:39 A Sep 06 19:09:41 N Sep 06 19:09:42 N Sep 06 19:09:43 O Sep 06 19:09:44 Y Sep 06 19:09:47 I Sep 06 19:09:48 N Sep 06 19:09:50 G Sep 06 19:21:28 You can file an enhancement request in bugzilla Sep 06 19:25:01 Wait a min... i bought my n810 yesterday, should'nt i have the daiblo-release? Sep 06 19:25:26 zhaozhou: nope Sep 06 19:25:41 Huh, why is that? Is'nt diablo the newest one? Sep 06 19:25:47 zhaozhou: dunno why Sep 06 19:26:00 zhaozhou: i got my n810 like 2 weeks ago, no diable there either Sep 06 19:26:05 zhaozhou: diablo Sep 06 19:26:10 BULLE, Hmm.. odd. Sep 06 19:26:17 BULLE, Hej, forresten. :-) Sep 06 19:26:23 zhaozhou: most likely they were manufactured quite some time ago, and flashed with the version available then Sep 06 19:26:45 BULLE, Should be able to update then... right? Sep 06 19:26:54 Perhaps that's not nessesary. Sep 06 19:27:05 I'll read on. Sep 06 19:29:39 dneary: Ignoring him only works when 100% of the 1600 subscribers do so Sep 06 19:29:57 brontide: No Sep 06 19:30:33 It works when all the ones who are replying to him rather than doing something more useful do so Sep 06 19:40:06 zhaozhou: sure, update is possible Sep 06 19:40:09 zhaozhou: thats what i did Sep 06 19:40:23 zhaozhou: just used the nokia update program, plugged the n810 in via usb cable, and updated Sep 06 19:42:09 BULLE, Linux available application? Sep 06 19:43:11 zhaozhou: hmmmm, i did it in windows, i found some instructions on how to do it in linux, but i found those to be a bit complex, and not that well outlined, so i just used windows Sep 06 19:43:20 zhaozhou: but it can be done from linux Sep 06 19:53:47 Found it. :-) Thanks. Sep 06 19:56:10 Too bad i'll have to erase my calendar though... Sep 06 19:59:16 i am writing the last 24hours off as a bad do, anyone feel today has been miserable? Sep 06 20:01:24 Written one minute to 12, nice. Sep 06 20:01:30 i think this has been a great day though Sep 06 20:05:19 i just spent almost 3 hours hunter gathering for food - the worst part we ended up back at the local take away \@/ Sep 06 20:06:56 ok Sep 06 20:07:03 lets hope xchat doesn't crash this time Sep 06 20:07:16 hello all Sep 06 20:07:41 Ha, hi there. Sep 06 20:07:44 my remotly crashes Flecko's xchat Sep 06 20:07:50 hmm Sep 06 20:08:01 remotely? Sep 06 20:08:15 brontide / jaffa - i sent a mail to community- enquiring about it - if we had a laptop and overhead cam setup a speaker could just put their device down and use it Sep 06 20:08:17 I think i crashed xchat because I typed /list when I got here instead of just using the gui button for the nick list. Sep 06 20:08:46 I haven't been on irc in years...and I have no idea what a good client is...so I'm just using the default ubuntu one. Sep 06 20:08:48 doesn't /list output a channel list? Sep 06 20:09:02 yes, /names Sep 06 20:09:04 also /list is not a good thing to run Sep 06 20:09:07 Proteous, special maemo feature, its a shortcut to closing the app Sep 06 20:09:16 lol Sep 06 20:09:16 hehe Sep 06 20:09:19 oh well Sep 06 20:09:25 It seems to be working ok now. Sep 06 20:09:29 probably memory related Sep 06 20:09:34 the list is quite large Sep 06 20:09:35 I used to use bitchx...but I have lost the taste for console apps. Sep 06 20:09:48