**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 09 02:59:57 2008 Sep 09 03:03:04 I've tried and tried to install Hackeros 2007 - no luck Sep 09 03:05:07 hi all Sep 09 03:05:43 does os2006 have a repository manager? Sep 09 03:09:09 how do I add mplayer to my nokia 770 - os 2006 Sep 09 03:13:41 found it - tools > application manager Sep 09 03:16:51 how many people use their tablet for dev as well as for day to day use? Sep 09 03:19:37 that's what I was talking about :) Sep 09 03:33:42 how can I add the application repositories list to /etc/apt/sources.list on my nokia? Sep 09 03:38:30 Well, I've got a working fitaly keyboard now, but it still needs some tweaking. Sep 09 03:38:32 http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-1.png Sep 09 03:39:17 http://toykeeper.net/tmp/keyboard-fitaly.xml Sep 09 03:43:39 Hmm, I should swap the sections, to make typing easier for right-handed people. Sep 09 03:56:40 Yes, much better. Sep 09 03:56:44 http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png Sep 09 03:59:11 ToyKeeper: what's that layout for? Sep 09 03:59:27 Optimized for english single-finger typing. Sep 09 03:59:41 It minimizes the distance between consecutive letters, on average. Sep 09 04:00:03 Qwerty/dvorak both tend to maximize the distance, since they're designed to alternate hands as much as possible. Sep 09 04:00:06 I guess single-finger applies for stylus as well Sep 09 04:00:23 not a bad idea Sep 09 04:01:35 There's some weirdness in matchbox-keyboard with exact key sizing... like a key with width=3000 isn't the same width as three keys with width=1000. Sep 09 04:02:08 I haven't had much luck with attributes like 'fill="true"' either. Sep 09 04:02:41 Anyway, when I get things tweaked more, I'll try to get it included in the package. Sep 09 04:03:12 It's almost a direct copy of my fitaly layout for openembedded: http://toykeeper.net/ipaq/gfx/screenshots/2002-11-11.fitalyslashdot.png Sep 09 05:09:34 woot.com Sep 09 05:09:38 If anybody needs a backup unit Sep 09 05:10:16 ... backup battery? Sep 09 05:10:41 Yeah Sep 09 05:11:05 I was hoping for a cheap NIT. I was sad when I missed their 770 sale. Sep 09 05:11:47 I need to pick up a battery pack to make my Beagle a bit more mobile. Sep 09 05:12:04 %80 users are american here yes!? Sep 09 05:12:05 Need something a bit smaller, though. Sep 09 05:12:13 Italodance, uh, no. Sep 09 05:12:21 Why is that with an exclamation point? :\ Sep 09 05:12:41 hehe Sep 09 05:12:59 cos IT only sell in USA Sep 09 05:14:12 Morning Sep 09 05:14:18 Howdy Sep 09 05:14:32 How's life? Sep 09 05:14:43 and the beagle Sep 09 05:14:47 Waiting for the next weekend. ;) Sep 09 05:15:00 Suffering in its own little Catch-22. Sep 09 05:16:39 Italodance: Nokia sold the tablet on their web site Sep 09 05:18:32 err, why media player don't see my music on external card (/media/mmc1/music/.../*mp3)? Sep 09 05:19:18 rmrfchik: it uses a crawler, which if running should find the music... Sep 09 05:19:36 and how to run a crawler? Sep 09 05:19:39 The crawler can fail for a variety of reasons. Sep 09 05:19:39 maybe its still indexing the mp3s Sep 09 05:19:52 It should take care of itself. Sep 09 05:20:24 i put files to card on thursday Sep 09 05:20:38 5 days ago Sep 09 07:08:55 X-Fade, ping. Sep 09 07:11:10 GeneralAntilles: Pong. Sep 09 07:13:11 Did you ever get the logs from the last sprint review? Sep 09 07:13:20 http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting still needs to be updated. Sep 09 07:14:33 GeneralAntilles: I should have logged it, let me check. Sep 09 07:15:07 Yes, I have the log. Sep 09 07:15:12 Will upload it. Sep 09 07:15:51 Thanks Sep 09 07:22:46 GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-09-02.html Sep 09 07:24:34 Eeeeexcellent Sep 09 07:25:28 I changed history a bit ;) Sep 09 07:25:53 Ha Sep 09 07:26:16 You should intersperse snarky comments throughout all the logs. Sep 09 07:26:36 "What? X-Fade didn't miss the last sprint review." ;) Sep 09 07:26:38 heh ;) Sep 09 07:46:54 Hi ! Sep 09 07:47:11 morning Khertan_n810 Sep 09 07:47:32 i need some help with thread and gtk Sep 09 07:48:01 in mcalendar i use py thread and idle_add Sep 09 07:48:16 but how to do it without using a gtk.main Sep 09 07:48:17 ? Sep 09 07:48:45 Khertan_n810: i don't think it's possible.. i had a friend of mine develop on a thread + gtk, and without a event dispatch loop everything messes up horridly Sep 09 07:49:23 hum ... Sep 09 07:49:51 in python :P Sep 09 07:50:07 but how can i do it with gtk.main() Sep 09 07:50:16 once i call it Sep 09 07:50:35 the program wait for user input Sep 09 07:50:43 or an event Sep 09 07:51:09 but i can t emit event only when i m out of the gtk event loop Sep 09 07:51:23 is there a way to send an event to this loop Sep 09 07:51:24 ? Sep 09 07:52:02 Khertan, what do you want to do? Sep 09 07:52:19 Khertan_n810: there's very likely a method for it Sep 09 07:52:26 for putting things into event queue Sep 09 07:52:32 hum i found using idle_add Sep 09 07:53:22 remembering to do gtk.gdk.threads_init() btw? Sep 09 07:53:51 http://unpythonic.blogspot.com/2007/08/using-threads-in-pygtk.html <- think i used this one back when i worked with threads and pygtk Sep 09 07:57:32 Morning, all Sep 09 08:00:36 lbt: you don't happen to be some obscure C coder with plenty of X11 coding experience? Sep 09 08:05:07 re Sep 09 08:05:14 sorry connection drop Sep 09 08:05:32 and don t mind about my previous sentence Sep 09 08:05:54 this is the morning and it s seems i not very well wake up Sep 09 08:06:19 hey Khertan Sep 09 08:06:29 hey liri Sep 09 08:06:56 Stskeeps: :) this works now ... Sep 09 08:10:42 re Sep 09 08:11:02 * Khertan_n810 is tired of this unstable connection Sep 09 08:12:48 Khertan_n810: I installed mcalendar a few days ago - I was wondering if you're going to support the calendar view Sep 09 08:13:18 calendar view ? Sep 09 08:13:34 you mean displaying a sample calendar ? Sep 09 08:13:55 to show day on month without any events ? Sep 09 08:14:29 I mean to show all days in a month in a kind of a matrix way - called monthly view (and not in the form of an agenda/todo list) Sep 09 08:15:18 in a view like this i can t show any event on na suchn small screen Sep 09 08:15:46 but i don t remember if i ve implemented this in 0.4.0 Sep 09 08:16:08 but now when you clic on the current date (at the top) Sep 09 08:16:14 I thought so too but I'm sure the split of the boxes can be improved and maybe the font reduced Sep 09 08:16:14 it display a calendar Sep 09 08:16:23 yeah I saw the calendar display Sep 09 08:16:41 but it's a calendar without showing events so I don't get the feeling where I have events and where I don' Sep 09 08:16:43 *don't Sep 09 08:17:05 a good improvement to the agenda view is to add colors for example Sep 09 08:17:20 because it's a white-black list of events in different dates and it's not easy to read Sep 09 08:17:50 maybe you can even separate dates like in MS Outlook which has "This week", "Last week" kind of separators Sep 09 08:18:00 i ve added google calendar color in 0.4.1 Sep 09 08:18:36 I don't remember which version I have, I installed it from the repos Sep 09 08:18:46 so 0.4.0 Sep 09 08:18:58 0.4.1 isn t available yet Sep 09 08:19:01 think about the monthly view Sep 09 08:19:07 at least a weekly view is required Sep 09 08:19:13 ok Sep 09 08:19:28 it ll look like : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png Sep 09 08:19:53 much nicer Sep 09 08:20:21 in fact i made list Sep 09 08:20:35 but different days/dates should have different colors too Sep 09 08:20:53 otherwise if all of the events for 2-3 subsequent events are in the same calendar then they are all colored in blue Sep 09 08:21:01 as i hate view like gpe or dates (pimlico) Sep 09 08:21:02 which again, makes it harder to read (at least for me) Sep 09 08:21:39 yep i m looking on how to make color for each days Sep 09 08:24:25 by the way, will google contacts be in sync with the communications contacts app in the tablet? (the one used for the sip calls) Sep 09 08:24:26 Khertan_n810: nice Sep 09 08:24:48 thx Sep 09 08:24:52 Khertan_n810: are you going to implement syncml btw? Sep 09 08:25:05 as i don't really like sharing all my data with google Sep 09 08:25:24 if i found a way to do it easy Sep 09 08:27:10 bye Sep 09 08:32:54 Hello all Sep 09 08:33:08 Could somebody check for me if VGBA 3.6 has gone into Extras? Sep 09 08:33:27 Morning, all Sep 09 08:33:33 Hmm, I think I said that Sep 09 08:40:29 RST38h: I see it on my N810 diablo. Sep 09 08:40:47 3.6.0-1 Sep 09 08:41:07 Yep, just checked the directory file Sep 09 08:41:15 Thanks! Updating Downloads page as we speak Sep 09 08:42:02 RST38h: Sorry, no auto updater for non-free yet ;) Sep 09 08:47:20 It's fine with me - I can update it manually, there is a lot more things I have to do when releasing a product Sep 09 09:41:40 'ello Sep 09 09:42:31 I don't think Downloads could get any slower. Sep 09 09:42:40 Hi, lardman. Sep 09 09:43:03 hi GeneralAntilles Sep 09 09:51:07 lo lardman Sep 09 09:51:35 hi lardman, Jaffa & GeneralAntilles Sep 09 09:57:23 hi Jaffa, crashanddie Sep 09 10:19:10 morning Sep 09 10:22:18 hi hrw Sep 09 10:24:27 Jaffa, is it just or, or has the maemo.org/Maemo Community council thing only managed to become less clear? Sep 09 10:26:13 dneary's not even here for me to poke. . . . Sep 09 10:28:13 Maybe I just wasn't clear enough on the list Sep 09 10:28:34 but dneary is saying exactly the OPPOSITE of what I meant and acting like it's what I said. . . . Sep 09 10:37:50 GeneralAntilles: It's getting less clear, certainly. There is a community of people outside of maemo.org who use Maemo-powered devices; and the aim of the council should be to help encourage people use maemo.org Sep 09 10:38:29 The other issue is that "Maemo" implies "Maemo Software" Sep 09 10:38:53 and the goal isn't really to get Nokia to ship a PIM suite. :/ Sep 09 10:46:23 hmmm, is somebody speaking chinese here by any chances ? Sep 09 10:52:25 mmmmmmm chicken blt FTW! Sep 09 10:54:02 Mmm . . . Sep 09 10:54:10 time to buy bacon Sep 09 10:54:29 well i went for a salad but was tempted by the smell Sep 09 10:54:58 hi Sep 09 10:55:00 GeneralAntilles, whats the bacon like round your way? do you get from a butchers or direct from a pig Sep 09 10:55:06 hi Khertan_n810 \o Sep 09 10:55:16 Grocery store usually Sep 09 10:55:27 pre-packaged? Sep 09 10:55:32 Yeah Sep 09 10:55:34 pre-cooked? Sep 09 10:55:34 * Khertan_n810 vote for GA Sep 09 10:55:46 I'm too lazy to seek out fresh stuff. Sep 09 10:55:53 Khertan_n810, you arent meant to tell us your vote Sep 09 10:55:53 No, not cooked. Sep 09 10:56:13 i honestly believe by the next maemo election we should have custom software stack and voting MUST be done from maemo device Sep 09 10:56:25 touchscreen voting FTW Sep 09 10:56:33 Shrink-wrapped, vacuum-sealed slab of meat slices. Sep 09 10:56:36 hum ... i doesn t talk about the maemo council one Sep 09 10:56:47 ahhh Khertan_n810 lol Sep 09 10:57:05 but it was about the last sentence of ga Sep 09 10:57:21 are you a bacon man as well? Sep 09 10:57:28 lol Sep 09 10:57:31 lol Sep 09 10:57:46 talking about previous last sentence Sep 09 10:57:46 :) Sep 09 10:58:01 aim of maemo council Sep 09 10:58:12 * lcuk is only pullin ur leg Sep 09 10:58:36 So he can take it off and cook it into bacon Sep 09 10:58:43 lcuk's a sick, sick man Sep 09 10:58:46 :D lol Sep 09 10:59:02 leg doesnt make good bacon Sep 09 10:59:09 gimme some decent pork-belly Sep 09 10:59:13 ~bacon++ Sep 09 10:59:30 my god if i went through scrollback people would think i was bacon obsessed Sep 09 10:59:31 is there a tutorial about opening a n810 somewhere ? Sep 09 10:59:47 Khertan_n810: slide it up Sep 09 10:59:50 * aquatix runs Sep 09 10:59:54 Khertan_n810, ummmmm ive seen a service manual somewhere Sep 09 11:00:09 it s seems there is something the screen and the keyboard Sep 09 11:00:15 which includes full frontal step by step undressing Sep 09 11:00:26 i think Sep 09 11:00:42 when i slide up i can hear something 'scratching' Sep 09 11:00:43 * lcuk rummages through his grotmags ermmmmm internet links to find it Sep 09 11:01:15 i ve some scratch on the space key too Sep 09 11:01:16 you have grit in your mechanism - you will end up with scratches on the keyboard like others mentioned in itT yesterday Sep 09 11:01:26 lol Sep 09 11:02:18 so i m not the only one Sep 09 11:04:26 * Khertan_n810 hope he will understand everyone at summit as his english isnt't fluent Sep 09 11:04:53 Alright, I'm washing my hands of the maemo.org/Maemo issue Sep 09 11:05:01 If somebody else wants to argue it, feel free. Sep 09 11:05:01 Khertan_n810, you has a privmsg :) Sep 09 11:05:03 I'm not interested. Sep 09 11:05:41 GeneralAntilles, good job you are washing hands of it Sep 09 11:05:47 maemo.org/Maemo doesnt exist: Sep 09 11:05:47 Error 404: Page could not be found. Sep 09 11:05:47 The requested URL /Maemo/ could not be found on this server. Sep 09 11:06:40 Khertan_n810, we will do lots of hand waving and stuff Sep 09 11:06:47 :) Sep 09 11:06:58 i ll talk in python :) Sep 09 11:07:07 heh Sep 09 11:08:29 moanin' lcuk & Khertan_n810 Sep 09 11:08:35 i have to go again, cblt is finished Sep 09 11:08:40 balls mornin crash Sep 09 11:08:53 bbl Sep 09 11:09:49 morning crashanddie Sep 09 11:09:59 http://www.boreme.com/media/yr2007/suicide-blowjob.jpg Sep 09 11:10:33 Khertan_n810, don't be afraid to ask people to repeat Sep 09 11:10:46 i ll not Sep 09 11:11:12 just hope they will not be borred after the 10 times :) Sep 09 11:11:50 We'll give everybody trouts to hit you with when you get it wrong. :P Sep 09 11:11:51 crashandie: funny Sep 09 11:12:17 lol Sep 09 11:19:00 what's the exact name of that background process running that makes my n810 blink and display an icon in the buttom left corner when a new mail has arrived? Sep 09 11:19:23 magic Sep 09 11:19:43 it's notifier something, I believe. Sep 09 11:19:45 but "ps ax | grep magic" doesn't provide output :-P Sep 09 11:19:55 probably registers a dbus service Sep 09 11:20:13 I'd check for the .desktop in the taskbar plugin folder. Sep 09 11:20:14 probably... ok. let's read that ps ax output, andre... Sep 09 11:21:17 /usr/share/applications/hildon something Sep 09 11:23:19 * Jaffa weighs in on the maemo.org/Maemo thread. Sep 09 11:25:22 * Khertan1 crashanddie canola est lourd... Sep 09 11:25:31 For, y'know, fun 'n' stuff... Sep 09 11:26:06 Jaffa, the 'fun'n'stuff' is over in -users. ;) Sep 09 11:26:11 Jaffa, nicely put Sep 09 11:26:13 * RST38h proposes capitalizing Maemo as MaEm0 Sep 09 11:26:33 maEmo Sep 09 11:26:40 It looks more eleet this way and will serve to unite "maemo" and "Maemo" adherents =) Sep 09 11:26:49 [against the new capitalization] Sep 09 11:27:06 RST38h: s/eleet/breezer Sep 09 11:27:56 m43M0 Sep 09 11:28:09 /\/\43M0 Sep 09 11:28:17 just emo Sep 09 11:28:20 lol Sep 09 11:28:24 my Emo Sep 09 11:28:26 looking at all the drama on the mailing lists Sep 09 11:28:34 my first emo Sep 09 11:28:34 * GAN800 makes a /\/\ gang sign. Sep 09 11:28:49 (sony style) Sep 09 11:29:02 /\/\aem0 Sep 09 11:29:24 Meme-o Sep 09 11:29:58 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUOTImKp0k Sep 09 11:29:59 m/-\emo Sep 09 11:30:17 or my personal favourite Sep 09 11:30:19 liri: hm, that looks almost sci-fi classy Sep 09 11:30:20 maemoooooooooo Sep 09 11:30:24 ghehe Sep 09 11:30:28 heh Sep 09 11:30:49 Mmm. Reminds me of Life Aquatic Sep 09 11:31:58 Oooh, we should do a "Finding Maemo" T-shirt for the summit ;-) Sep 09 11:32:26 Ha Sep 09 11:32:47 Somebody draw up a tablet with fins Sep 09 11:33:01 Then prep for the assault from Disney legal. Sep 09 11:33:15 I laugh in the face of a lawsuit. Sep 09 11:33:21 And I'll do it anonymously and claim parody. Sep 09 11:33:35 Oh, and I can't draw so it won't be anywhere close to their trademarks ;-) Sep 09 11:33:43 hmm... anyone has seen this error before in scratchbox? /scratchbox/compilers/bin/g++: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Sep 09 11:34:10 That damn mouse is responsible for the sad state of current copyright law. Sep 09 11:34:23 (and that file does actually exist) Sep 09 11:34:27 Jaffa: i can draw it for you ... with a style near my great maemo logo ... : http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png Sep 09 11:34:41 Khertan1: heh Sep 09 11:34:46 * GAN800 <3's that logo Sep 09 11:35:00 Khertan was robbed. Sep 09 11:35:08 Ma EMO Sep 09 11:35:15 we should pilfer one of the esquire mag e-ink things and get a live maemo tshirt, or just cut a n810 sized hole Sep 09 11:35:18 I'm quite certain the selection committee took a bribe. Sep 09 11:35:35 SLANDER! Sep 09 11:35:43 * lbt cried Sep 09 11:35:45 <_marcell_> andre___: that would be modest Sep 09 11:35:51 lcuk, N810+velcro Sep 09 11:36:14 no, i need the velcro for when i go sheep hunting Sep 09 11:36:23 your not welsh Sep 09 11:36:36 _marcell_, interesting. then it's not running here, would explain why i don't get popups about new imap mail anymore Sep 09 11:36:49 s/ur/u're/ Sep 09 11:36:49 lbt meant: you're not welsh Sep 09 11:37:23 murderall modest Sep 09 11:37:53 * lcuk wonders what to do with all his desktop icons Sep 09 11:38:25 kill --violently modest Sep 09 11:38:26 lcuk: ctrl+a del Sep 09 11:38:38 lcuk: rm -rf / Sep 09 11:38:51 rm -rf ~/Desktop Sep 09 11:39:30 i cant do that, ill lose important stuff like "youtube: manamana" Sep 09 11:39:53 and such classics as "youtube - thomas the tank engine" Sep 09 11:40:07 jake will cry Sep 09 11:40:17 Mek: did you apply the fakeroot patch? Sep 09 11:40:22 and then start opening the remaining icons Sep 09 11:40:56 jott: what fakeroot patch? Sep 09 11:41:07 Mek: from the qemu-eabi site.. Sep 09 11:41:20 see also http://setanta.wordpress.com/category/maemo/ Sep 09 11:41:39 ah, yeah, I see... not yet :) Sep 09 11:41:47 it's step 4 here :) http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/ Sep 09 11:48:51 Ok, I have an autoconf problem Sep 09 11:49:01 ohgod Sep 09 11:49:13 Shatner is advertising WoW now Sep 09 11:49:22 now? thats ancient Sep 09 11:49:23 when I write pkgdatadir=[${datarootdir}]/[$PACKAGE] it expands to ${prefix}/share/serlaunchd Sep 09 11:49:42 now how can I get the macro to expand the prefix as well? Sep 09 11:49:46 plus, Mr. T. was so much better :D Sep 09 11:49:51 I've only seen the Mr. T one. Sep 09 11:50:26 WoW is bad enough it ALMOST makes me hate _Blizzard_. . . . Sep 09 11:50:39 it's not bad, it's just a game Sep 09 11:50:58 yacoob, gtfo WoW addict. Sep 09 11:51:06 i think playing maemo is the best game of all Sep 09 11:51:24 GAN800, having problems? :D Sep 09 11:51:29 after buying the base package and working hard, i am now a level 69 dev Sep 09 11:51:34 (I don't play it) Sep 09 11:51:39 farming in the itT forums is fun Sep 09 11:51:40 WoW is evil Sep 09 11:51:42 lcuk, just wait for the expansion Sep 09 11:52:03 * jott loots lcuk source code Sep 09 11:52:31 yacoob :) i see my time in maemo as extreme gaming :) its also learning for the future - all the pain ive had this year flexing my c muscles and learning all about linux is going to pay off in the long run Sep 09 11:52:47 GAN800, it doesn't make sense. It's just like saying 'ketchup is stupid'. WoW is just a game, people becoming addicted to it have problems, that they would droow in something else if there wasn't wow Sep 09 11:52:56 jott, not yet you wont - though no doubt i will repeat the last time i went on holiday before i step onto a plane :) Sep 09 11:53:04 anyone know anything about autoconf? Sep 09 11:53:16 but that's offtopic here, agreed. Sep 09 11:53:18 no Mikho i dont have it on my device Sep 09 11:53:41 ketchup _is_ stupid Sep 09 11:53:49 lol Sep 09 11:54:09 thankfully it is, otherwise i'd be eating sentient mushed tomatoes :/ Sep 09 11:54:10 xtl whats your view on mayonaise? Sep 09 11:54:31 lcuk: mayonaise is yummy (the dutch stuff that is) Sep 09 11:55:11 It sure is! :) Sep 09 11:55:14 aquatix, did i ask you, you are not authorized to speak of culinary things in this channel, xtl is our resident goto man for food Sep 09 11:55:18 :P Sep 09 11:55:45 sudo all_culinary_talk aquatix Sep 09 11:55:48 why you have not mentioned bacon yet? Sep 09 11:55:53 s/all/allow Sep 09 11:56:16 jott: i did :) or where you talking about lcuk? Sep 09 11:56:17 jott, cos im digesting a lovely blt+chicken sandwich from earlier - i still have the taste on my lips Sep 09 11:56:25 sentient bacon from Proxima IX Sep 09 11:56:35 yacoob: :) Sep 09 11:56:42 bacon is sentient before its made into bacon Sep 09 11:56:47 damn, getting hungry again Sep 09 11:56:49 aquatix: lcuk has to say bacon at least three times a day in this channel :) Sep 09 11:56:51 after that its just delicious Sep 09 11:56:55 had lunch just 1.5h ago Sep 09 11:57:12 lcuk: *g* Sep 09 11:57:18 pigs are just mobile bacon caravans Sep 09 11:57:54 apt-get source bacon Sep 09 11:58:00 downloading pig... Sep 09 11:58:16 lcuk: Mayonnaise is brilliant :) Sep 09 11:58:17 spider pig, spider pig, does whatever a spider pig does Sep 09 11:58:23 I was in the lab, hence my lack of reply ;) Sep 09 11:58:23 Well, in its place of course Sep 09 11:58:28 lol lardman Sep 09 11:58:31 feeling hungry now though Sep 09 11:58:34 exploding bacon Sep 09 11:58:59 mmm Sep 09 11:59:00 awwgh Sep 09 11:59:02 mmmm my maemo.org t-shirt will have to include bacon Sep 09 11:59:05 * aquatix gets a cookie Sep 09 11:59:18 everyone is lunching or talking about food Sep 09 11:59:27 * jott thinks of making bacon+eggs. Sep 09 11:59:44 did gstreamer0.10-tools suddenly disappear? Sep 09 12:00:03 bstreaky0.10-tools ? Sep 09 12:00:29 gstreamer0.10-bacon Sep 09 12:00:37 baaba: was it ever there? Sep 09 12:00:42 /ignore lcuk Sep 09 12:00:44 ;) Sep 09 12:01:42 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gstreamer0.10/ Sep 09 12:02:07 its in there: gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.13-0osso13~diablo1_i386.deb Sep 09 12:02:35 oh nevermind, i forgot to add diablo/sdk Sep 09 12:02:45 *facepalm* Sep 09 12:02:48 happy to bacon Sep 09 12:02:53 ok, found it already Sep 09 12:03:05 hm, anyone knows why, if in python i have a class object with a library that i fill with instances of another class and i create another of that big class that creates its own instances of the other class, that i get copies of instances from the objects in the first class'es library in the second? Sep 09 12:03:29 * aquatix wonders whether that sentence even is comprehendable Sep 09 12:03:44 no, unparsable Sep 09 12:03:50 meh Sep 09 12:04:47 instance class1( library1{class2, class2, class2} ) other instance class1( library1{class2, class2, class2} ) <- same class2 instances as the first one has in its library Sep 09 12:05:04 while i create new instances Sep 09 12:05:27 then it depends how you are initializing the class1_v2 instance Sep 09 12:05:33 is it just a shallow clone? Sep 09 12:05:54 clusters[i] = Cluster.Cluster(<>) Sep 09 12:06:13 parameters=fuck? Sep 09 12:06:26 no, but they are irrelevant ints Sep 09 12:06:31 with id's and such Sep 09 12:07:18 do you explicitely construct and fill the member library1 when you create the instance, or do you clone the first object and work from there Sep 09 12:08:30 lcuk: i do another explicit construct Sep 09 12:08:40 sec, i'll pastebin a piece Sep 09 12:10:19 Anyone know how you can upload a Projects website on garage.maemo.org? Sep 09 12:10:22 North Korea was yesterday accused of infiltrating an international taekwondo group and using it as a front for espionage and assassination, including a planned 1982 attempt on the life of South Korean president Chun Doo Hwan Sep 09 12:10:30 Ninjas!!! Sep 09 12:10:45 /www is svn Sep 09 12:10:48 sounds more like zoolander tbh Sep 09 12:10:55 s/is/in/ Sep 09 12:10:55 GAN800 meant: /www in svn Sep 09 12:11:26 thanks Sep 09 12:12:05 lcuk: http://pastebin.com/d24397bf3 Sep 09 12:12:25 hope that's clear Sep 09 12:13:37 somehow, i get the same Node's (same objects) in the various Cluster's Sep 09 12:16:09 aquatix, you mean only a single lonely node is created - or you manage to create a group of them, but the same group is used for each and every cluster Sep 09 12:16:24 the latter Sep 09 12:16:49 of course, the way i do it, each subsequent cluster has 1 Node more, but that's just one addition to the previous group Sep 09 12:17:03 which shows up in the cluster created after Sep 09 12:17:07 really odd :/ Sep 09 12:17:49 how do you know they are the same instance because from my nonprofessional view that code looks like it should work Sep 09 12:18:35 print self.nodes[i].__class__ Sep 09 12:18:48 and those object id's are the same Sep 09 12:19:27 yes, you are printing the classid not the instance id Sep 09 12:19:34 also, they all have the same cluster id after init is done (passed by the cluster to the node) Sep 09 12:19:38 oh Sep 09 12:19:43 but still Sep 09 12:22:22 in the pastebin code you call cluster.cluster with more params than you have in cluster.__init__ Sep 09 12:22:32 is this just a pastebin translation Sep 09 12:22:56 lcuk: no, disregard the last 2 parameters Sep 09 12:22:58 or normal behavious Sep 09 12:23:09 was a copy/paste edit error :) Sep 09 12:23:20 those are some settings for the nodes Sep 09 12:23:56 whats the header for node__init Sep 09 12:26:09 lcuk: http://pastebin.com/def1b7ed Sep 09 12:26:15 i personally tihnk its creating everything you are just looking at the wrong values to confirm - i would hazard you are storing a value in the wrong field which makes it look the same, but you are constructing all the objects - just confirm it yourself with some debug lines in each constructor and confirm the values passed to each Sep 09 12:28:28 myeah, i already did that, but i'll do some more debuggin Sep 09 12:29:27 dwhat does the "id" member do in python, is it a special keyword and does odd things - its being highlighted by pastebin as if it is ? Sep 09 12:30:09 lcuk: btw, http://pastebin.com/d22a82354 is the output of those __class__ calls Sep 09 12:30:17 hm, good point Sep 09 12:30:29 but shouldn't it complain then? Sep 09 12:30:39 it's defined in the class itself too Sep 09 12:31:07 not sure, perhaps you are allowed to change it - just to be safe try converting to c(luster/node)id and see Sep 09 12:31:26 lcuk: id() is a global function in python. pastebins' highlighting is stupid. Sep 09 12:34:14 lcuk: besides, in that output pastebin, the `Cluster 1' etc is done by doing print "Cluster " + str(self.id) Sep 09 12:34:19 however, rewriting that now Sep 09 12:34:25 Hit it with a stick. Sep 09 12:36:19 GAN800: i did, same shit Sep 09 12:36:42 grmbl Sep 09 12:38:39 aquatix, hmmm it is reusing your instances, very strange Sep 09 12:39:07 lcuk: indeed :/ Sep 09 12:39:29 ill call back later, hope you resolve it - try removing the inner loop and see if its still doing it Sep 09 12:39:48 then look at how other simple versions work and manage it - because you arent doing anything massively complex Sep 09 12:40:06 indeed Sep 09 12:40:13 what do you mean exactly with the inner loop? Sep 09 12:42:57 aquatix, read this http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/class-init.html Sep 09 12:43:17 it sais you should only need Node(....) to construct Sep 09 12:43:23 hm Sep 09 12:43:25 sec... Sep 09 12:43:31 it also leaves off the initial init stuff you do at the head of the class Sep 09 12:43:50 * Jaffa not a graphics artist: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo.jpg Sep 09 12:44:06 depending upon when the nrNodes=4 id=-1 nodes={} gets called it might be running your __init__ function and then reclearing the nodes array Sep 09 12:44:45 if i do that, i get: Sep 09 12:44:46 TypeError: 'module' object is not callable Sep 09 12:45:08 hm Sep 09 12:48:48 jaffa, on the back of your finding maemo t-shirt you MUST have a map showing location of c-base and a path from various hotels Sep 09 12:50:04 aquatix, my hunch is the init code you have outside the __init__ function. keep everything else the same as it was at your pastebin and just remove the stuff from outside __init__ Sep 09 12:50:12 comment it out Sep 09 12:50:21 anyway, back later Sep 09 12:50:35 oh hm Sep 09 12:50:44 lcuk: thanks Sep 09 12:50:47 that might just work Sep 09 12:50:56 * aquatix has coded too much with normal languages ;) Sep 09 13:04:18 OK who's a physicist? Sep 09 13:04:55 lcuk: heh Sep 09 13:05:06 What's the upper bound energy for a Higgs boson? Sep 09 13:05:46 and how much energy is there (in eV) in a single spark in a flint/steel strike? Sep 09 13:06:48 42? Sep 09 13:07:36 it depends if is attached to a zpm module, and even then it differs between the types of matter-energy streams that spread through a wormhole Sep 09 13:07:58 * liri babels some Stargate language Sep 09 13:17:31 liri, "zpm module" ? Sep 09 13:17:36 liri, zero-point module module? Sep 09 13:18:38 lbt: You don't really need to know this Sep 09 13:18:59 lbt: You only need to know that on Sep 11 2008 WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! B) Sep 09 13:19:16 [btw, good choice of date] Sep 09 13:20:08 I'm working it out Sep 09 13:21:52 OK, that surprised me :) Sep 09 13:22:34 A steel spark has an energy of 50 Million GeV. Sep 09 13:22:45 CERN is making particles of about 12GeV Sep 09 13:22:50 We are so in the shit... Sep 09 13:23:31 http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1066 Sep 09 13:24:27 yeah, there are a lot of them ;) Sep 09 13:31:59 hola Sep 09 13:35:08 Sorry, CERN is making particles of, erm, 14TeV. A spark is all of 50,000 TeV Sep 09 13:43:17 11 Sept 2008 ? Sep 09 13:43:22 lbt: my guess is that particles making a spark are flying in different directions Sep 09 13:43:22 a thuesday ? Sep 09 13:43:33 not possible Sep 09 13:43:35 Wednesday, Khertan, wednesday Sep 09 13:44:07 oh ... Sep 09 13:44:09 lbt: while LHC will accelerating them all in one direction Sep 09 13:44:21 wednesday is tommorow ... Sep 09 13:44:24 so 10 ? Sep 09 13:44:33 Oh, Thursday then Sep 09 13:44:35 lol ... i ve look the wrong year Sep 09 13:44:51 yep Thursday Sep 09 13:44:53 :) Sep 09 13:44:57 See? They haven't started it yet and years are already all wrong Sep 09 13:45:07 i ve look 2007 :) Sep 09 13:45:24 starting what ? Sep 09 13:47:21 LHC launches at 10.09.08 .. :> Sep 09 13:48:27 (10.9.8..:> Sep 09 13:48:31 oh ... THE LHC ! Sep 09 13:55:18 Or... they *have* started it and we're in a timeloop Sep 09 13:55:54 damn it not again Sep 09 13:57:05 phew logs check out. Sep 09 14:07:08 http://webcast.cern.ch/index2.html is fascinating Sep 09 14:07:27 (the video part in particular) Sep 09 14:09:00 is there any other part to it? Sep 09 14:12:09 ~lart freeview Sep 09 14:12:09 * infobot teaches freeview the basics, including how to RTM Sep 09 14:27:55 hi, Sep 09 14:28:05 hi, how do I know if I am running chinook or diablo? Sep 09 14:30:11 anyone? Sep 09 14:30:39 maketo: see the config screen Sep 09 14:30:50 control panel Sep 09 14:30:56 about product Sep 09 14:31:03 yeah Sep 09 14:31:09 was looking up the exact option Sep 09 14:31:27 hmm Sep 09 14:31:34 if it's version 4.2008.30-2 or something, it's diablo Sep 09 14:31:39 it says "version: 2.2007.51-3" Sep 09 14:31:46 that's chinook Sep 09 14:31:57 ok cool, thank you very much Sep 09 14:32:35 you're welcome :) Sep 09 14:33:16 i think we need more sexy themes Sep 09 14:33:36 * lbt thinks so too Sep 09 14:34:56 * aquatix thirds that motion Sep 09 14:35:17 there's a nice theme editor btw Sep 09 14:35:21 * qwerty12 thinks we need more themes Sep 09 14:35:23 maybe i should get creative Sep 09 14:35:24 yeah i was looking at it Sep 09 15:05:03 Jaffa: i wouldn't mind a timeloop if it meant that knowledge in your mind was kept for next iteration :P Sep 09 15:05:17 except development projects gets kinda .. endless Sep 09 15:14:13 elekt if you have a theme you want made let me know I do requests Sep 09 15:14:39 opps already gone Sep 09 15:19:17 * aquatix is thinking about a mix between the sleekness of Hendrika and the clean translucent bars of the default theme Sep 09 15:22:41 aquatix that sounds cool Sep 09 15:23:41 yeah Sep 09 15:23:47 too bad we don't have the templates Sep 09 15:24:10 those would be real easy to remake Sep 09 15:24:38 Nokia don't make their themes using konttori's theme maker... Sep 09 15:25:11 qwerty12 I know that but I could easly make a template that looked just like Hendrika Sep 09 15:26:23 qwerty12: they don't? tsk... Sep 09 15:26:38 lol Sep 09 15:26:51 maybe they should Sep 09 15:26:56 aquatix, learn about the horribly complicated hildon theme tools... I know the LCARS guy uses that Sep 09 15:27:13 i can imagine Sep 09 15:27:24 there's a reason konttori made his own theme maker :) Sep 09 15:31:50 the bad thing is konttori theme maker is still to hard for some people :) Sep 09 15:32:05 one guy can't even figure out how to open it lol Sep 09 15:32:44 Nokia theme makers tend to be compilcated in general. Ever seen the Carbide theme maker for S60 phones? My personal favourite is the Sony ERicsson theme maker. Sep 09 15:34:10 nope n8x0 is the first device I have ever made a theme for Sep 09 15:35:12 I think I should start releasing files only once a week, I think if I keep releasing stuff daily people will get tired of looking and downloading my stuff Sep 09 15:38:05 which themes are yours? Sep 09 15:38:49 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/ Sep 09 15:38:56 They are all there Sep 09 15:39:45 Ooh, a lot of themes, thanks! Sep 09 15:40:03 cool Sep 09 15:40:46 Thanks can't beleave you guys didn't know about them I have posts on itT and I have had several news articles on front page of garage Sep 09 15:41:16 i remember seeing the windows one Sep 09 15:42:12 like i just released a theme yesterday but I have two more that are just about ready and I have a few fixes to one I released yeserday but I don't know if I should go ahead and update it or wait since I just did it yeserday Sep 09 15:42:35 are there screenshots ? Sep 09 15:42:41 I don't want people to get tired of downloading themes from me Sep 09 15:42:43 heyo :) Sep 09 15:42:54 http://themehackers.maemobox.org/ Sep 09 15:42:59 screenshots are there Sep 09 15:43:15 cd "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" && /usr/bin/automoc4 "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding/ktexteditor_python-encoding_automoc.cpp" "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" "/home/marijn/host/kde4libs/kde4libs-4.1.62~svn859093/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/kate/plugins/pythonencoding" /usr/b Sep 09 15:43:22 sorry abou tthat :) Sep 09 15:43:35 middle-mouse-paste is nice, but sometimes anoying :) Sep 09 15:43:40 omgz Sep 09 15:43:44 WINDOWZE Sep 09 15:43:46 lol ;) Sep 09 15:44:06 not bad on the themes man Sep 09 15:45:02 thanks, I have a xmen and Linux Mint one is the works as well and just started a Superman one by request Sep 09 15:45:09 yeah nice stuff Sep 09 15:45:11 =] Sep 09 15:45:29 the other deveolpers in my project are all working on themes as well one person is doing a James Bond one that looks cool Sep 09 15:45:51 i wanna see the linux mint one, the backgrounds look good Sep 09 15:46:00 Alright so Im new to this channel, I'll be getting an N810 within a couple weeks (waiting for college refund check +shipping time) and kinda was wondering if there was anything i need to know about the device that i havent already obsessed and found out already lol Sep 09 15:46:15 I currently have a sony mylo com 2, but the n810 is going to be nice for remote ssh from school :) Sep 09 15:46:28 and page rendering is considerably faster :P Sep 09 15:46:59 knowing how to make themes would be a bonus as well as its quite fun to do that stuff :P Sep 09 15:48:06 * Jaredu|Work was thinking of maybe a stargate theme? ^_^ Sep 09 15:48:29 elekt I'll try and get a release of the linux mint theme in the next few days. Sep 09 15:48:46 cool Sep 09 15:50:00 andrewfblack: how exactly do you make themes..? i know its gtk but is it just swapping the images or how does that work o.O Sep 09 15:50:25 ive used linux for awhile but the n810 will be the first customizable portable so i figured i'll go all out Sep 09 15:50:46 kontorri is designing a theme maker, hes been blogging about it Sep 09 15:50:59 I have a tutorial one itT but you basicly download this https://garage.maemo.org/projects/thememaker/ and edit the .psd file to way you want it to look then open the jar file and make theme Sep 09 15:51:18 ah awesome Sep 09 15:51:42 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ Sep 09 15:51:52 on his site theres vids and stuff explaining the process Sep 09 15:51:56 are there varables like size of the menu bars and stuff that are adjustable or are they locked Sep 09 15:51:57 yeah me and kontorri email just about everyday I've been talking him into adding features like the icon support and such Sep 09 15:52:11 there are some varables Sep 09 15:52:34 ive seen some instances of transparency so i know at least that works Sep 09 15:52:54 so worst case scenario i could do a shaded bar via pixel texturing lol Sep 09 15:52:58 lcuk: I'm having strange sadistic thoughts of writing some code in VBA Sep 09 15:53:09 errrr Sep 09 15:53:09 s/sadistic/masochistic Sep 09 15:53:16 dont do it xD Sep 09 15:53:30 I'm trying not to Sep 09 15:53:40 do some C instead Sep 09 15:53:40 lol Sep 09 15:53:52 I want to make my email client record video when I email it a message Sep 09 15:54:03 Friends don't let friends write VB. Sep 09 15:54:08 this is true Sep 09 15:54:09 and I'm running WinXP at work, so it's going to be outlook Sep 09 15:54:14 or python Sep 09 15:54:15 lol Sep 09 15:54:26 errr Sep 09 15:54:29 sec Sep 09 15:55:54 now I just need to chose a suitable bit of pvr sw which will run on windows, to do the recording Sep 09 15:57:10 * lardman is aiming for slingbox type functionality without getting into trouble for using work bandwidth Sep 09 15:57:25 ~lart other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware Sep 09 15:57:25 * infobot squeezes other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware till other people using router so I can't upgrade firmware turns blue like papa smurf Sep 09 15:57:31 lardman, for quick bit of glue on a windows machine you cannot beat it :) Sep 09 15:57:47 just have a large glass of whiskey and get on with it Sep 09 15:57:58 lcuk: yeah I know, I started programming using vb/vba Sep 09 15:58:19 before I was legally allowed to drink whiskey ;) Sep 09 15:58:34 Bet it didn't stop you anyway :P Sep 09 15:58:51 really? i thought at your age you wouldv started flicking switches on an altair Sep 09 15:58:52 :P Sep 09 15:59:11 well, embarassingly, I prefered Archers, then cider, then moved onto nasty bitter beer ;) Sep 09 15:59:12 NICE burn Sep 09 15:59:50 its fine, i prefer alcopops :) if i cant taste the booze i wont get drunk Sep 09 15:59:53 lcuk: how rude, I'm only 30 :p Sep 09 16:00:16 lol took you long enough to realise :P Sep 09 16:00:22 30? people don't live that long. Sep 09 16:00:26 younger than me - i was sure you were older :) Sep 09 16:00:38 only in my wisdom :D Sep 09 16:00:41 hmm Sep 09 16:00:44 :) Sep 09 16:00:59 yacoob: yeah, starting to feel it now ;) Sep 09 16:01:11 indeed :) your wisdom got you into linux before me Sep 09 16:01:38 * lcuk really shouldv rejected the college courses and offers of money and stuck to his guns and ran linux on an old 286 Sep 09 16:01:44 anyone got a time machine i can botrrow? Sep 09 16:01:55 that was just my desire to replace my Psion 5 -> Zaurus, needed to do some tweaking to get on Uni network, and the rest is history Sep 09 16:02:14 running linux on an old 286 makes MAN out of a wimp! Sep 09 16:02:30 i think im over the worst of the linux thing here, im starting to "get it" :) Sep 09 16:02:57 * qwerty12 is decent at linux, no idea how Sep 09 16:03:30 qwerty12, your brain can adapt, you are like the borg - i was similar in picking up amiga and windows and spectrums and stuff at the time Sep 09 16:03:59 * lcuk is old now Sep 09 16:04:04 "When I was your age I... uh... um..." Sep 09 16:04:10 I've never touched an Amiga, don't think I would ever understand one if I used it :P Sep 09 16:04:25 its linux without the open source bit Sep 09 16:04:32 or understand why people used such underpowered hardware? ;) Sep 09 16:04:38 itt just worked and there was a thriving shareware community Sep 09 16:04:48 what about warez? Sep 09 16:04:56 For a friend, you know... Sep 09 16:05:13 lardman, amiga was ahead of its time, and with its custom chipsets it was a multi core wonder: very similar to this ere n810 (if we could use all cores that is) Sep 09 16:05:26 revtran for the Psion was a thing of beauty :) Sep 09 16:05:29 oh yer qwerty, i got my first 2 warez games from my mum Sep 09 16:05:36 "Terminator 2" and "lemmings" :) Sep 09 16:05:41 it's just stopped evolving. Sep 09 16:05:42 lol :) Sep 09 16:05:46 and pcs started to. Sep 09 16:05:51 * lcuk remembers the floppies Sep 09 16:06:28 * lardman still has to use them, some of the lab hw is so old! Sep 09 16:06:34 yes, and the joys of having a bad sector on disk 11 out of 12. Sep 09 16:06:48 * qwerty12 loves the inventor of usb flash drives Sep 09 16:07:08 lardman, if you buy something to act as a tool you dont update it if it works as expected Sep 09 16:07:08 * XTL hates the weenies that kept floppy drives and vhs tapes going for so long Sep 09 16:07:09 My first computer had a floppy drive which worked for a while, until I broke it Sep 09 16:07:34 i still have a few punchcards Sep 09 16:07:46 text mainly Sep 09 16:08:03 I just have a flowchart template Sep 09 16:08:05 * yacoob sets +nostalgia,+my_computing_experience_is_older on #maemo Sep 09 16:08:20 elekt, could you get punch-card pron? Sep 09 16:08:43 http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/ ... Sep 09 16:08:53 thats not punchcard though Sep 09 16:09:08 Meh, who punches porn on punchcards? Sep 09 16:09:28 these just give me a 7043 error - "hanging chad on card XX" Sep 09 16:09:34 a porn hunter with a punchcard machine Sep 09 16:09:36 one of my first run ins with computing was making stars for the christmas tree out of my dad's programs saved on punch-tape Sep 09 16:10:14 omg yacoob, i hope he was finished with them - you could have setback software development by years Sep 09 16:10:35 on error goto top_of_christmas_tree Sep 09 16:10:51 haha Sep 09 16:11:14 garage.maemo.org ssl certificate has been broken forever :/ Sep 09 16:11:35 back later Sep 09 16:11:40 yes, crucial code calculating zeroes of grade 2 polynomials was lost forever! Sep 09 16:11:46 dystopia I don't beleave you everything at maemo.org works fine :) Sep 09 16:12:02 luckily, civilisation is still standing, but the secrets of levitation, teleportation and orbital lasers is long lost. Sep 09 16:12:23 ....back in the days where you could replace a transistor with a welding apparatus. Sep 09 16:12:39 lol:p Sep 09 16:12:43 * elekt sends zap yacoob command to his satellite Sep 09 16:12:48 spoken too soon. Sep 09 16:13:36 i tried to change an ide cable on a laptop once Sep 09 16:14:07 sauter all over the pins Sep 09 16:14:41 ghaa! Sep 09 16:14:45 never got a new mobo for it, i guess i should Sep 09 16:15:01 bah... qemu is just too unpredictable... now I've got stuff that just sometimes fails, but when trying to debug it doesn't fail anymore :( Sep 09 16:15:02 look what you've done :( Sep 09 16:15:02 crappy laptop design though, worst cooling ever Sep 09 16:15:24 elekt it must be a HP laptop Sep 09 16:15:30 sony :( Sep 09 16:15:54 wow my old HP laptop ran so hot that it melted where the power plugs in Sep 09 16:16:08 Mek what qemu version Sep 09 16:16:17 oh this one went stright for your testicles Sep 09 16:16:36 thank god HPs have a media dock thing on side that allows a second input for power Sep 09 16:17:09 this one had really crappy airflow Sep 09 16:17:17 and it was a p4 Sep 09 16:17:36 nice screen though, that's why i tried to save it Sep 09 16:17:39 dystopia: svn trunk (with some scratchbox patches) Sep 09 16:17:43 yeah mine is a full p4 in a laptop I used to have to put it in the frezzer to cool it down Sep 09 16:17:57 dystopia: it's the first version that actually is able to run everything I need sometimes... :) Sep 09 16:17:58 haha Sep 09 16:19:33 i've only mixed a fridge with computers a few days ago trying to rescu a file off a dropped hdd Sep 09 16:19:50 i ended up not needing it anymore and the hd is still in there 4 days later Sep 09 16:20:03 next to the pizzas Sep 09 16:20:12 and the veggie dogs Sep 09 16:20:33 the fridge works great for cooling off a over heated laptop back in my Everquest days I had to do it all the time if I overheated durring a raid and needed to get back in game fast Sep 09 16:21:03 elekt thats your problem veggie dogs wont revive a hard drive you need turkey dogs Sep 09 16:21:08 i just underclocked mine Sep 09 16:21:23 if it only were that simple Sep 09 16:22:23 hm... I should move everything from my palm to the tablet and see how it behaves there. Sep 09 16:22:24 well mine no longer as a screen, or alot of other parts. Basicly its the bottom of the laptop I use for a media storage/server Sep 09 16:22:33 Mek: except it sometimes quits running ;) Sep 09 16:23:02 yeah, but that is still better than consequently not working at all :) Sep 09 16:23:32 agggggggggggggg Sep 09 16:24:04 Mek: have you tried using sbrsh? Sep 09 16:24:28 no, haven't tried that... Sep 09 16:24:34 won't that be slow? Sep 09 16:24:40 well.. Sep 09 16:25:00 depends on your host performance :) Sep 09 16:25:17 but at least the code is not run in an emulator. Sep 09 16:26:45 Hi ! again Sep 09 16:27:07 hi Sep 09 16:27:09 Mek: oh, btw do your kde builds make use of vfp? otherwise it could get relatively slow on floating point operations due to conversion. (and plasma uses quite a lot fp stuff :) Sep 09 16:27:43 and as you fight with it so hard now it should be at least worth the effort ;) Sep 09 16:27:52 hmm.. how do I enable vfp? :) Sep 09 16:28:41 grep EXTRA /scratchbox/doc/variables.txt Sep 09 16:29:31 Mek: see the mkspecs of qt :) Sep 09 16:29:43 :) Sep 09 16:30:37 Mek: -pipe -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s Sep 09 16:30:58 is used. (plus -Os) Sep 09 16:31:08 ah, fun :) during linking or compiling (or both)? Sep 09 16:31:17 compiling I guess.. Sep 09 16:31:21 yep Sep 09 16:37:11 home time, cu all alter Sep 09 16:37:13 or later Sep 09 16:39:54 later guys need some lunch Sep 09 16:52:46 qwerty12: Nokia makes the themes using a very similar tool though. And the templates are the same. Sep 09 16:53:08 So, there is template for hendrika, echo and all other nokia themes. Sep 09 16:53:19 k :) Sep 09 16:53:46 And they are compatible with theme maker. Sep 09 16:53:59 also the cut files that theme maker uses are the same ones nokia uses Sep 09 16:54:18 (obviously only for the already released os versions) Sep 09 17:01:25 konttori, thats just teasing us :P you aren't meant to mention the future :P Sep 09 17:02:16 I wasn't? How come I forgot to mention that? Oh well, can't fix what's done. Sep 09 17:03:05 I have a feeling that there may be some announcements on the summit that may shed a bit of light on that area as well. Sep 09 17:05:17 konttori, had that feeling for a while as well :P Sep 09 17:05:45 your theme maker looks cool :) Sep 09 17:05:57 thanks. It's a nice small utility. Sep 09 17:05:58 when can we drop the need for photoshop type programs and actual dev themes on device? Sep 09 17:06:14 all the best utilities are small Sep 09 17:06:22 when you have photoshop quality image editor on the device. Sep 09 17:06:58 does it use multiple layers in the photoshop file? Sep 09 17:07:04 or is it just used as a single container? Sep 09 17:07:09 lcuk, install gimp? Sep 09 17:07:10 I really don't think a small screen is well suited for pixel editing work. Of course, if the device would be able to connect to a monitor and you would use a mouse, then that would be a whole different game. Sep 09 17:07:20 yeah, gimp is good enough for the job. Sep 09 17:07:22 not really usable though jott Sep 09 17:07:40 also inkscape is what some of nokia themers actually use (those who don't use adobe illustrator) Sep 09 17:08:00 konttori, the screen is fine, theres a modern technology invented called zoom :P Sep 09 17:08:14 :) Sep 09 17:08:29 but touch is the perfect medium for art :) Sep 09 17:13:21 ;) Sep 09 17:17:55 hi again ... Sep 09 17:18:35 what do you think of something like this : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png Sep 09 17:18:45 of course with other colors :) Sep 09 17:19:52 Khertan_n810: all i get is a text only blog Sep 09 17:20:04 same here Sep 09 17:20:04 hum Sep 09 17:23:00 very pragmatic and functional indeed :) Sep 09 17:23:22 arg stupid maemoftp Sep 09 17:23:24 http://khertan.net/screenshots/screenshot31.png Sep 09 17:23:35 uploaded in the wrong folder Sep 09 17:24:56 the old url should work now Sep 09 17:25:00 what do you think of something like this : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png Sep 09 17:25:01 yeah, that looks good I think Sep 09 17:25:04 i would use other colors. *scnr* :) Sep 09 17:25:20 how will month view and week view look Sep 09 17:25:20 this is just test color Sep 09 17:25:21 :) Sep 09 17:25:25 those are the ones I use the most Sep 09 17:25:34 this is a month view Sep 09 17:25:44 aaah... Sep 09 17:25:46 oh. Sep 09 17:25:52 I probably couldn't use it Sep 09 17:25:56 :) Sep 09 17:26:09 everyone has a different style :) Sep 09 17:26:09 you prefer something like gpe ? Sep 09 17:26:10 isn't a month view that you actually see the whole month? :) Sep 09 17:26:26 that's more of a "summary view" Sep 09 17:26:38 hum ... Sep 09 17:26:51 I need to see my events for a week or month at the same time "Oh, I have next friday free, but not saturday" Sep 09 17:26:57 summary for the month so Sep 09 17:27:33 google calendar works well for me, for example Sep 09 17:27:50 yep but not me :) Sep 09 17:28:02 right, so if this works for you, you should do it :) Sep 09 17:28:04 i ll try to do something like that Sep 09 17:28:18 for content the most of user Sep 09 17:28:30 but not really easy to do with gtk Sep 09 17:28:37 maybe you have an idea ? Sep 09 17:29:19 I'm pretty useless with GUI programming, but the way that dates handles it seemed nice Sep 09 17:29:38 hum ? really ? Sep 09 17:29:46 you found that usefull ? Sep 09 17:30:03 I liked the week view in dates Sep 09 17:30:10 (i ask as i found that useless but it s a point of view) Sep 09 17:30:14 the part I didn't like is that it wouldn't grab from google Sep 09 17:30:21 :) Sep 09 17:30:46 my first idea was to modify ermining to sync date with google Sep 09 17:30:56 but as they use this nthing nammed eds Sep 09 17:31:11 i ve decided to do my own calendar Sep 09 17:31:45 dates looks like it hasn't been touched in quite a while... Sep 09 17:32:11 I think we have two different usage scenarios Sep 09 17:32:22 what do you use the calendar for, Khertan_n810 ? Sep 09 17:32:54 mainly ... for my personnal thing to do ... Sep 09 17:33:14 and important 'reunion' at work Sep 09 17:33:43 as their is an alarm :) i never miss a call conf Sep 09 17:33:47 aaah, mainly for todos then? I have my appointments for the whole month and so I use it to plan out which days I have free Sep 09 17:33:52 s/their/there Sep 09 17:34:10 * sp3000 expects 'free' to be a toggle Sep 09 17:34:14 i would mean appointments Sep 09 17:34:26 sp3000: ? Sep 09 17:34:39 * sp3000 hasn't really used the thing enough to be sure if he understands it though :) Sep 09 17:34:41 Khertan_n810, well, yes, but mainly for the current day, right? Sep 09 17:34:57 mainly for the week Sep 09 17:35:13 but not for the month like you Sep 09 17:35:22 so i understand you Sep 09 17:36:03 but my main problem of the month view is how to do itnreadable on such small screen Sep 09 17:36:25 Khertan_n810: http://debain.org/?p=214 Sep 09 17:36:29 * sp3000 wonders how he ended up in year 9999 Sep 09 17:36:37 maybe you can rip something from that one Sep 09 17:37:12 maybe use color blocks like dates or gpe uses? then just show info on tap? Sep 09 17:38:35 * johnx loves using other people's fast inet connections :) Sep 09 17:39:30 Khertan_n810: http://debain.org/?p=214 not sure you got this Sep 09 17:39:32 oh so you're the peer that reset khertan's connection Sep 09 17:39:32 sorry connection drop Sep 09 17:39:49 Khertan_n810: ah, canceling the datepicker goes 9999 Sep 09 17:39:51 haven t got it Sep 09 17:41:06 and I said "just use a similar month view to dates or gpe calendar and provide more info when the user taps an appointment" Sep 09 17:41:16 sp3000: :) Sep 09 17:41:48 sp3000: corrected on 0.4.1 (not available yet) Sep 09 17:42:15 johnx ... hum imagine this on the small screen of the nit Sep 09 17:43:11 johnx: i ll take a look Sep 09 17:43:17 Khertan_n810: well the dpi is high enough :) Sep 09 17:43:37 give dates a try. There's not much functionality, but it's a nice UI mockup :D Sep 09 17:43:58 * crashanddie is back from interview Sep 09 17:44:00 maybe intel pushes it :) Sep 09 17:44:06 jott: the dpi of the screen not the one of my eyes Sep 09 17:44:26 also, screen dpi doesn't make my thumbs smaller Sep 09 17:44:31 johnx: i used date before mcalendar :) Sep 09 17:44:38 well for an overview it's fair enough. Sep 09 17:44:53 right: for an overview Sep 09 17:45:00 Khertan_n810, for the day view your method is just fine Sep 09 17:45:26 and a typical use case for a calendar is to get an overview :) Sep 09 17:45:34 johnx: i ll make some try to do a ui like date Sep 09 17:45:47 but i can t promise it will be usefull :) Sep 09 17:46:00 jott: hum ... right Sep 09 17:46:53 Khertan_n810: take for example the HTC devices, the screen is MUCH smaller than on our tablets, maybe half size, and yet it's showing the calendar in monthly view just fine Sep 09 17:47:01 well maybe look at this goocalendar thingy. it seems to be written in python and already provides some sort of month view/timeline view. Sep 09 17:47:24 jott: i m extracting the source Sep 09 17:47:29 judging from the short video so to speak :) Sep 09 17:47:37 Khertan_n810: I guess it's a matter of using fonts and designing the GUI correctly. for example that vertical scroll bar on the right is way too big, and the buttons can be reduced to smaller icons too Sep 09 17:47:42 Khertan_n810: just my thoughts Sep 09 17:47:42 (just popped up from a google search) Sep 09 17:48:10 liri, Khertan_n810 is going for thumb friendly I think Sep 09 17:48:42 liri: i don t think ... Sep 09 17:48:59 a calendar could be use only with thumb for me Sep 09 17:49:04 I'm just making a point that there is enough room to display a monthly view Sep 09 17:49:20 everyone wants something different :) Sep 09 17:49:24 oh here's a VERY good suggestion Sep 09 17:49:28 johnx: yep Sep 09 17:49:31 Khertan_n810, you should do whatever makes you happy :) Sep 09 17:49:39 Khertan_n810: I think I have a good suggestion that will work out Sep 09 17:49:49 hum ... so i stop the dev Sep 09 17:49:56 i m happy with it Sep 09 17:49:56 :) Sep 09 17:50:19 i want to do the best calendar for maemo Sep 09 17:50:26 but you don't need a scroll bar for finger friendliness :) Sep 09 17:50:32 so i should take care of user point of view Sep 09 17:50:33 kinetic scrolling ftw :P Sep 09 17:50:38 Khertan_n810: ok so I guess we'll have to wait for the next version Sep 09 17:50:55 jott ... and how do you clic with kinetic Sep 09 17:51:00 :) Sep 09 17:51:04 tap Sep 09 17:51:08 * Khertan_n810 hate kinetic Sep 09 17:51:11 my opinion on scrollbar size: since it can be set in the theme, I think apps should just use small scrollbars Sep 09 17:51:16 it's not that it is an unsolved problem. Sep 09 17:51:22 just that many implementations suck ;) Sep 09 17:51:34 johnx: hum theme really ? Sep 09 17:51:52 Khertan_n810, yup :) Sep 09 17:51:56 if the app respects the theme :p Sep 09 17:52:08 jott, i haven't found one that didn't Sep 09 17:52:25 jott, it's the way the gtk widget is drawn, not much the app can do about it... Sep 09 17:52:25 i think the iphone does it fairly well. Sep 09 17:52:48 here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17678 Sep 09 17:52:55 the theme is called echowb Sep 09 17:53:00 johnx: sure, just manually set the width. Sep 09 17:53:00 first thing I install after a flash Sep 09 17:53:47 those nokia thumb things are just named widgets. Sep 09 17:54:03 jott, right, so with small scrollbars all of the "it wastes space" people are happy, and the rest of us can just use a theme with wide scrollbars Sep 09 17:54:07 but you can change the default value :) Sep 09 17:54:42 still if an app messes with it, your theme settings are worthless :P Sep 09 17:55:08 I have never seen any app able to mess with it *shrugs* Sep 09 17:55:25 it usually makes no sense ... Sep 09 17:56:27 if any app messes with scrollbar size a polite "please don't do that" to the author of the app should fix it :) Sep 09 17:56:40 hopefully. Sep 09 17:56:51 anyways, it's hypothetical Sep 09 17:56:57 even firefox plays nice Sep 09 17:56:58 johnx: there isn't any theme with large scrollbar Sep 09 17:56:58 hildon.hildon_helper_set_thumb_scrollbar(self.wTree.get_widget("scrolledwindow3"),True) Sep 09 17:56:58 any theme set this Sep 09 17:57:06 goocalendar use a module nammed goocanvas Sep 09 17:57:37 Khertan_n810, hmm? uhm, no. I'm using a theme that makes all scrollbars wider. Sep 09 17:57:58 did you look at the thread I linked? Sep 09 18:00:28 it s loading Sep 09 18:00:47 I can link to the post with the screenshot directly if you want Sep 09 18:02:02 i got it Sep 09 18:02:50 but i like the thumb style for something like mcalendar Sep 09 18:03:03 but i don t want it for the browser Sep 09 18:03:06 how i do ? Sep 09 18:03:32 nevermind then Sep 09 18:03:55 I wonder if there's a way to do something tricky with their startup scripts to make them look at different gtkrc files... Sep 09 18:04:05 it would be a hack though Sep 09 18:05:59 does anyone else find using fingers on the nit's screen not comfortable? even if i've just washed my hands, scrolling or dragging my finger feels like there's way too much friction Sep 09 18:06:15 I use my fingernails mostly Sep 09 18:07:10 I don't have a screen protector... do you? doesn't it scratch your screen? Sep 09 18:07:21 fingernails? no I don't think so Sep 09 18:07:33 I think a plastic stylus would be harder Sep 09 18:07:44 just don't sharpen your fingernails :) Sep 09 18:08:07 honestly though, I don't care that much about cosmetic scratches Sep 09 18:08:25 my N800 does not exist to look pretty: it exists to be useful Sep 09 18:08:34 the stylus is a bit round-pointed Sep 09 18:08:36 oh, I agree Sep 09 18:08:52 scratches bother me because then it's harder to see what's below Sep 09 18:09:15 I've been poking at it with my fingernails for over a year now (since march 2007) with no terribly ill effects Sep 09 18:10:04 I bought a floor model from a compUSA liquidation sale...I never had a stylus or manual or carrying case Sep 09 18:10:17 I have a chunk missing in my screen and I can still see whats behind it when its lit up bright Sep 09 18:10:36 I think I also tap with nails, but not drag Sep 09 18:10:58 Things like tediously turn sound on/off, set presence or pick networks Sep 09 18:10:59 I tend to tap with my thumb and drag with my nails Sep 09 18:11:01 I tap with nails all the time, but dragging feels too scratchy Sep 09 18:11:44 i've never used an iphone, is the screen 'smoother', so to speak? Sep 09 18:11:47 XTL, just a note, you can open the volume control and tap d-pad center to mute Sep 09 18:12:03 gregorovius, yup. it's glass not plastic Sep 09 18:12:12 designed for thumbs vs designed for stylus Sep 09 18:12:34 ah, no wonder, I was thinking it'd be extremely uncomfortable if it were like this Sep 09 18:12:57 i'd like something like a teflon screen protector :) Sep 09 18:13:13 do they make it transparent? Sep 09 18:13:19 in fact due to the different technology of ytouchscreen a stylus doesn't even work on an iPhone Sep 09 18:14:15 bye Sep 09 18:14:28 bye Khertan_n810. good talking to you :) Sep 09 18:14:35 no idea Sep 09 18:14:58 maybe I just don't understand why canola and a whole bunch of apps are aiming to be finger-friendly Sep 09 18:15:05 good talking to you too Sep 09 18:15:15 i mean, if you're going to use your fingernail, then you don't really need a wide-ass scrollbar Sep 09 18:16:06 gregorovius, err...i prefer wide scrollbars Sep 09 19:05:12 gregorovius: You are quite right that the friction is not comfortable Sep 09 19:06:25 The n810 screen is really optimal for fingernail/pen usage Sep 09 19:06:37 the biggest problem with scrollbars big or small is having to aim - if its a scrollbar it should be against the gutter so your finger/thumb/stylus can use it easily Sep 09 19:08:23 hmm... do I think it is worth 250 euros for me to come to a day-and-a-half of the maemo summit... Sep 09 19:09:07 mek, if you have a better use for 250 euros then no, but if you believe it will be a worthwhile experience then yes Sep 09 19:09:29 I wonder if there's a screen cover with a glass-like feel Sep 09 19:09:52 my screen is losing sensitivity Sep 09 19:10:11 it does not respond any more to finger on the left hand side - still works with stylus all over though for now Sep 09 19:10:17 * lcuk is going blind Sep 09 19:10:17 if I had thought about this earlier I might have been albe to do a kde-on-maemo lightning talk... Sep 09 19:11:49 Mek: have it there anyway; would be cool to see Sep 09 19:13:26 hmm.. why is the "Job title" field required in the registration form... are unemployed people not welcome? :P Sep 09 19:13:37 just say hobby :) Sep 09 19:13:52 its for people who are coming in a work capacity Sep 09 19:15:48 theres nothing wrong if my software is still a work in progress is there Sep 09 19:15:55 may I curse? Sep 09 19:16:01 please do Sep 09 19:16:07 ~curse dsp programming Sep 09 19:16:08 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dsp programming ! Sep 09 19:16:15 ah, much better :) Sep 09 19:16:44 thats not cursing - the dsp is wrong about so many things Sep 09 19:16:51 let it all out Sep 09 19:17:07 true Sep 09 19:17:17 no, I don't want to offend it, nearly got mp3 decoding working Sep 09 19:17:47 lardman, you wrote your own mp3 decoder? O_o Sep 09 19:17:54 sounds like me, ive got a whole backlog of modules needing my love and limited time to do it, just got back from the hospital and not sure how much will get finished Sep 09 19:18:09 nah, code was mainly from someone else, I'm just tweaking to get it to work with dspgateway Sep 09 19:19:08 how usable is the a2dp stuff? Sep 09 19:19:09 i got png image loading working last night (after a ding from derf) and because of that had to incorporate and finalise the alpha blending code.. :) glad its done, but sidetracked me from creating the ui objects Sep 09 19:19:15 johnx: Fitaly works, though it still needs some tweaking... http://toykeeper.net/tmp/keyboard-fitaly.xml Sep 09 19:19:21 johnx: http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png Sep 09 19:19:34 summatusmentis: works afaik, if not, please let me know ;) Sep 09 19:20:00 lcuk: sidetracking, story of my life Sep 09 19:20:12 hmm, app manager just sits there at half bar with the cpu idle when doing a update... Sep 09 19:20:14 lardman: I'll have to do that some time Sep 09 19:20:35 yer lard, and it looks like i wil b away from computer for quite a bit in the next few days :( Sep 09 19:20:44 got a poorly older family member Sep 09 19:20:45 summatusmentis: Once I get this mp3 code working, I plan to move the entire mp3->sbc pipeline to the DSP side Sep 09 19:20:57 lcuk: sorry to hear that Sep 09 19:21:19 summatusmentis: which will hopefully make it suitable for video soundtracks too Sep 09 19:21:29 so are we, thankfully she is having a better day today, but well Sep 09 19:21:33 assuming they;re mp3 ;) Sep 09 19:22:14 does anyone have any ideas/suggestions/solutions about a fixed cam and stand for presenting using the live nokia sat on a base? Sep 09 19:22:22 lardman: that'd be exciting. Is it only mp3 now? Sep 09 19:22:53 jott, are you around? Sep 09 19:23:12 * jott looks around Sep 09 19:23:16 oooh Sep 09 19:23:22 what's up? Sep 09 19:23:46 my previous comment - any ideas (im thinking of you because you have no travelling to do before the summit Sep 09 19:24:24 although you will have your hands full with rm_you :D Sep 09 19:24:27 hmm. well i guess most newer cameras will do fine. Sep 09 19:24:48 i guess the only problem is, to find a proper way to fix it. Sep 09 19:25:10 http://www.chromacolour.com/store/digital_animation_ca.htm Sep 09 19:25:16 summatusmentis: the sbc encoder? Anything that can be decoded on the ARM and sent to ALSA output can be encoded Sep 09 19:25:28 thats the sort of thing im thinking, but obviously if we can rig something up ourselves it would suffice Sep 09 19:25:39 lcuk: yes something like this would so it. but it's a bit of a short time frame to get it i guess :/ Sep 09 19:25:53 summatusmentis: however, if you try this with e.g. mp3, video drops to <1fps - some sort of memory contention is my theory Sep 09 19:25:54 yes jott, we need to see if anyone has one Sep 09 19:26:17 even a flexy holder thing - or an old adjustable lamp with duct tape would do ;) Sep 09 19:26:26 lardman: oh, I see Sep 09 19:26:31 duct tape hehe :) Sep 09 19:26:55 what would macgyver do? Sep 09 19:27:27 not sure if the c-base folk may have something to improvise.... Sep 09 19:28:00 i asked on the ML but didnt get much of a reaction, but i think it would help and save the hassle we had at ltag Sep 09 19:28:12 if no machine handy it can just be show and tell in a better way Sep 09 19:28:30 barring that, could we get a mega fresnel lens Sep 09 19:28:37 yes. well at least for the people relying on showing the work on the actual device :) Sep 09 19:29:27 it helps if you can see it first hand, obviously having short movie clips will work but its not quite the same and vnc isnt either Sep 09 19:29:34 ~seen housetier Sep 09 19:29:37 housetier was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 23h 43m 51s ago, saying: 'we should have had quim find out the coordinates when he was here'. Sep 09 19:29:42 the other problem with people expecting vnc would be wifi bandwidth Sep 09 19:30:06 ~seen jamiebennet Sep 09 19:30:07 lcuk: i haven't seen 'jamiebennet' Sep 09 19:30:07 ~seen jamiebennett Sep 09 19:30:08 jamiebennett was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 5h 31m 33s ago, saying: 'GAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :('. Sep 09 19:30:16 well usb network :) Sep 09 19:30:20 damn him for being so ircphobic Sep 09 19:30:50 ~seen __t Sep 09 19:30:51 __t was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 22h 16m 3s ago, saying: 'who can do this?'. Sep 09 19:30:56 mh.. Sep 09 19:31:11 does anyone have one of these they can bring to the summit? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joby-GP1-01P-Gorillapod/dp/B000EVSLRO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1220988639&sr=1-3 Sep 09 19:31:35 i have a smaller one .. Sep 09 19:31:54 can it grip onto any sideways surface (like a handy mic stand?) Sep 09 19:32:22 not really. it's *really* cheapo :) Sep 09 19:32:25 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1309 Sep 09 19:32:26 :) Sep 09 19:33:23 that would do: that at least has the proper camera base, some form of adhesive tape would do the rest (if someone would invent such a thing) Sep 09 19:34:06 now all we need is a camera that works in webcam mode and a laptop to work it from Sep 09 19:34:17 where are all the nokians when we need them ;) Sep 09 19:34:35 Well I;ve got a crappy webcam you could use, not sure it;'s Linux-proof though Sep 09 19:34:51 Just stream it all from an NIT and tell them to like it. Sep 09 19:35:24 derf, it wont look good Sep 09 19:35:34 im expecting wifi to be useless Sep 09 19:35:55 others may not though Sep 09 19:36:18 lcuk: That's why you have to tell them to like it. Sep 09 19:36:55 but if their presentation doesnt go well it leaves everyone uncomfortable, just trying to help remove the problem by having a backup plan :) Sep 09 19:36:57 hehe "use your imagination, dudes!" Sep 09 19:37:10 * lcuk unfortunately remembers pupnik (and myself) Sep 09 19:38:33 hey housetier :) Sep 09 19:38:39 hello Sep 09 19:39:01 * keesj blames web standards for not being able to create a t-shirt with the hash sign "#" Sep 09 19:39:33 oh yer, tshirt time Sep 09 19:39:36 yesterday __t told me about the camera "problem". my idea was to hang it from the ceiling, so it won't be in the way of the audience and still close enough to the speaker Sep 09 19:39:43 * lcuk sends missus out on a mission Sep 09 19:40:11 I wanted #maemo with lcuk . Jaffa Lardman pupnik etc Sep 09 19:40:11 :D spider-pig can fit it Sep 09 19:40:19 however, the camera won't be very mobile then... Sep 09 19:40:29 housetier: the important part is, that it captures the small nokia screen. Sep 09 19:40:49 keesj :) nice idea, find a better more standards compliant tshirt printer Sep 09 19:41:30 I guess the device will sit on a table? Sep 09 19:41:31 housetier, we are only thinking a small handheld digi cam pre setup to correct height to show off Sep 09 19:41:34 yer Sep 09 19:41:57 this is the very expensive ideal variant Sep 09 19:41:57 http://www.chromacolour.com/store/digital_animation_ca.htm Sep 09 19:41:58 the cam will just record, right? Sep 09 19:42:16 no, live feed into laptop and onto projector Sep 09 19:42:22 lcuk: don't they already have such a thing perhaps? Sep 09 19:42:25 so everyone can see Sep 09 19:42:38 mek, i dunno - i tried looking but didnt see any info Sep 09 19:43:05 so "our job" would be to set up the hardware, but not rent anything right? Sep 09 19:43:31 well im just asking whether people have it or how we can set it up Sep 09 19:43:46 there was no real reaction from "official" side. Sep 09 19:44:06 and lcuk really needs such a setup (and others would probably like it too) Sep 09 19:44:42 i suppose i could create a streaming video server in time, but i would have to stop what im doing here Sep 09 19:44:48 most parts are technical details. Sep 09 19:45:10 now tell me what you need from us Sep 09 19:45:24 housetier, are you c-base or nokia or just a bod? Sep 09 19:45:31 c-base. Sep 09 19:45:39 I am the event manager for c-base Sep 09 19:45:56 ahh cool :) hi there. Sep 09 19:47:08 i think something to fix the/a camera and get the feed to the projector (probably a webcam would do the job and would allow to use existing computers attached to the projector) Sep 09 19:47:13 the problem is that i want to show my software running directly on my nokia handheld. i am aware theres a projector but we are expected to bring our own laptops for presentation, i need an overhead camera to display whats in front of me on the big screen Sep 09 19:47:47 it would be better obviously if the camera and laptop were there and available for anyone to use during the day Sep 09 19:48:01 so they can present their software to everyone without having to crowd around a 4inch screen Sep 09 19:48:47 * jott imagines 200 people looking at a single n810 screen :) Sep 09 19:48:52 an extreme example of requirements: EXTREME Sep 09 19:48:54 dman Sep 09 19:48:58 http://animanatee.com/uploaded_images/stopmosetup-725705.jpg Sep 09 19:49:18 anything from a ballcam in same location up would be ideal Sep 09 19:49:27 we do not have spare laptops, we considered setting up pcs with standard software. so only the speaker would change but not the hardware Sep 09 19:49:35 I do have great webcam Sep 09 19:49:37 Logitech QuickCam Pro 9000 Sep 09 19:49:40 ok now do you need the camera stand? Sep 09 19:50:16 if you have one on site already which could view our devices, yes that would be great Sep 09 19:51:04 yeah I don't think we will spend 999 USD on that kind of hardware Sep 09 19:51:20 no, certainly not expecting anything like that - it was the principle Sep 09 19:51:23 so we will make do with what we have got Sep 09 19:52:00 jott has a flexi tripod that i am sure we could duct tape to a mic stand on the day if needbe Sep 09 19:52:04 that means we need to get an extra feed into the projector Sep 09 19:52:11 keesj, are you arriving the night before? Sep 09 19:52:31 it could be a choice by the speaker and just switch as they come up Sep 09 19:53:01 lcuk: I have not planned yet Sep 09 19:53:27 cos obviously it would be better to have it tested before the day Sep 09 19:53:32 :P Sep 09 19:53:34 ill see if i can pilfer a webcam Sep 09 19:53:49 crap, crappy children brb Sep 09 19:54:36 perhaps it's better if you don't count on me. I will pull a double-lardman on you (bringing kids + GF) Sep 09 19:54:56 :) Sep 09 19:55:13 No kids yet and gf/fiance is staying home for this one Sep 09 19:55:26 fiancee Sep 09 19:55:41 got to be careful, people might get the wrong idea Sep 09 19:55:44 good, I'll see that we can set up a camera on a stand and have its feed go into the projector if the speaker wants. i cannot promise anything at this state, i am only a "manager" not a technician :) Sep 09 19:56:26 housetier: great. thanks for the effort and time :) Sep 09 19:57:24 housetier, thank you :) i will also try to arrange something as a backup backup Sep 09 19:57:42 the so called plan b :) Sep 09 19:57:50 jott, could you bring your tripod with you on the day or ill meet you day before or something Sep 09 19:58:02 plan c, i already have movies Sep 09 19:58:08 yes, should be possible. Sep 09 19:58:16 my camera however doesnt work as a webcam Sep 09 19:58:28 i guess there are quite some folks at c-base the day before?! :) Sep 09 19:58:43 is that an unofficial meeting point? Sep 09 19:59:48 well it's regularly open i suppose... Sep 09 20:01:35 ok, i best get on, i dont know how much more time im gonna get Sep 09 20:02:01 thanks jott Sep 09 20:02:35 c-base is open every day :) Sep 09 20:03:00 we will be extremely busy on thursday, and probably wednesday before the summit! Sep 09 20:03:51 i bet you will, hope it goes smoothly from your side Sep 09 20:04:12 it has to :D Sep 09 20:04:22 yes, quite :) Sep 09 20:04:32 people are doing their best Sep 09 20:04:55 yer, its gonna be great Sep 09 20:05:07 thanks for popping by, ill cyas all later Sep 09 20:09:53 * elekt just got an aspire one Sep 09 20:09:59 it's so cute! Sep 09 20:22:49 Anybody has libhildonfm.so.2 ? Sep 09 20:22:53 and what version? Sep 09 20:23:04 btw guys Sep 09 20:23:09 I was interviewed for a job today Sep 09 20:23:17 anyone care to know the name of the guy? Sep 09 20:23:23 you're never going to build this Sep 09 20:23:33 ... build? :) Sep 09 20:23:45 yeah, it's not gonna compile Sep 09 20:23:51 your brain is going to throw errors Sep 09 20:24:04 * ToyKeeper readies his mental parser Sep 09 20:24:11 * gregorovius segfaults Sep 09 20:24:15 (I was thinking about working on a project, which is why I switched building and believing) Sep 09 20:24:30 He's called Hildon Sep 09 20:24:41 Heh, yeah. I was gonna say... someone's got makefiles on the brain. :) Sep 09 20:25:10 What does hildon actually mean? Sep 09 20:25:18 elekt I just released the first publuc version of the Linux Mint theme if you want to look at it still got some more to go on it Sep 09 20:25:22 I never heard of it until I used maemo. Sep 09 20:25:53 i'm tied up atm, i'd love to see a screenshot, updated your blog yet? Sep 09 20:26:52 anybody willing to help me resolve a little versioning problem? Sep 09 20:27:12 I'm going to post a few screen shots tonight when I get home Sep 09 20:27:29 i'll check it out tonight Sep 09 20:27:33 cool Sep 09 20:27:35 sorry, busy day, my gf's 30th Sep 09 20:27:46 and i got her this little laptop i'm setting up for her Sep 09 20:27:54 don't remind her lol Sep 09 20:28:03 she's not that girly Sep 09 20:28:10 or old Sep 09 20:28:36 my wife isn't girly but she hated it when she tured 30 and I kept reminding her I was still in my 20s come to think about it I still do it now that she's 31 Sep 09 20:28:59 hehe Sep 09 20:29:07 never ask a women her age, because they suck at maths Sep 09 20:29:47 ...is there a way I can make maemo mapper autosave tracks every X minutes ? Sep 09 20:30:20 yeah andrewfblack maybe i'm speaking too soon, the day's not over yet Sep 09 20:30:25 It already autosaves the track. It's stored in a database. Sep 09 20:30:29 I havn't been able to decided what netbook I want yet Sep 09 20:31:10 I ordered a new EeePC 901... Sep 09 20:31:19 but am sort of undecided too. Sep 09 20:31:31 derf: I lost my track when it ran out of power. Sep 09 20:31:40 I think I don't like the "bloat" that seem to happen with the newer models, though :) Sep 09 20:31:49 only problem with the 901 is the price Sep 09 20:31:59 Are you running a really old version? Sep 09 20:32:00 901 droped today Sep 09 20:32:01 it's reaching real laptop prices Sep 09 20:32:18 this acer aspire one is so cute Sep 09 20:32:21 RST38h: I have no idea how you got that number :/. the latest one in the update repo is 1:2.0.5. Like I said on ITT, I had to change the dependencies line to get it to install and the file open dialog was fine. Sep 09 20:32:22 several of the Eee Pcs droped in price today Sep 09 20:32:25 it's the win xp version Sep 09 20:32:28 derf: the version I downloaded from maemo mapper homepage like a week ago Sep 09 20:32:36 $349 Sep 09 20:32:42 That's not really old. Sep 09 20:33:04 When I first heard of the dell one I was so happy until I saw the stats and the price you are just buying the neme with that one Sep 09 20:33:12 I'm an idiot, I recorded all these gps traces whilst on holiday for geotagging my photos, then didn't back them up, then the n810 went into infinite crash mode and I had to reflash, sigh Sep 09 20:33:14 We'll see. Probably I can cancel/reorder before it ships end of month. Norwegian 901 will arrive end of month, they say. Sep 09 20:33:19 I also wouldn't describe it that way ;) Sep 09 20:34:04 pusling: compared to debian not much is really old :P Sep 09 20:34:44 Mek: the maemo debian toolchain ;) Sep 09 20:34:48 qwerty: question: where do I find a place from which deb packager takes these versions? Sep 09 20:34:52 yeah, true :) Sep 09 20:36:06 Mek: have you by the way tried merkaartor svn on maemo yet ? ;) Sep 09 20:36:14 RST38h: Do you mean where the version numbers get taken for the produced deb? Sep 09 20:37:57 pusling: no, never heard of it before Sep 09 20:38:51 Mek: okay. I'm at least curious ;) Sep 09 20:39:46 pusling: i tried it. Sep 09 20:39:55 some weeks ago at least. Sep 09 20:39:57 works quite ok. Sep 09 20:40:07 nice. Sep 09 20:40:25 maemo mapper can't do edits at least as far as I can see. Sep 09 20:40:29 the stylus is a bit imprecise though.. Sep 09 20:40:49 maemo mapper just shows bitmap tilemaps... Sep 09 20:41:06 qwerty: yes Sep 09 20:41:26 qwerty: because if I don't find the place I will have to downgrade bootstrap to chinook =( Sep 09 20:41:27 with merkaartor you get the raw osm data :) Sep 09 20:41:44 so, just booked my hotel for the maemo summit... I guess I'll be coming for a day-and-a-half (arriving friday during lunch :) ) Sep 09 20:41:55 jott: but then I can fine tune when I get back. I at least haven't found the nice way with maemo mapper to mark postboxs, banks and stuff. Sep 09 20:41:58 Mek: nice. Sep 09 20:42:08 jott: and by raw osm data, I get uptodate maps and not week old maps ;) Sep 09 20:42:12 pusling: yep. Sep 09 20:42:27 it's a straight forward compile. Sep 09 20:42:48 just disable most of the widgets and you'll be fine. Sep 09 20:43:16 http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png screenshot from a few weeks ago. Sep 09 20:44:17 (by disable i mean tick off the dock widgets - a single one is just fine :) Sep 09 20:44:25 yeah. Sep 09 20:44:29 looks quite usable Sep 09 20:44:36 RST38h: I would guess from dpkg's /var/lib/dpkg/status file, you could edit and rebuild deb. But that is dirty, instead you can either svn export https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/1_2.0.6.1/ and dpkg-buildpackage or (what sounds better to me) downgrade to the version that comes with diablo : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libh/libhildonfm/ and rebuild Sep 09 20:46:04 qwerty: I am using sb2 so my options are somewhat limited Sep 09 20:46:53 qwerty: what libhildonfm2 version should I put there? Sep 09 20:47:24 RST38h: 1:2.0.5 Sep 09 20:47:34 derf: or do you know some secret way to recover my lost maemo mapper track ? Sep 09 20:48:07 I have got libhildonfm2-dev inside sb2 and it depends on 1:2.0.6! Sep 09 20:48:07 pusling: Look in the database and see if anything's left of it? Sep 09 20:48:20 That's probably a lot of work, though. Sep 09 20:48:37 then I_guess i can recreate the tracks of some local allotments another day ;) Sep 09 20:49:20 later guys time to head home. Sep 09 20:51:39 RST38h: I have no idea about the oddities of sb2, sb1 user here, but the version that is currently in diablo is 1:2.0.5. If you upload 1:2.0.6-1, I don't think osso-soft-version will let you install it. If you edit the depends line manually, your program built with 1:2.0.6 is running fine on a device with 1:2.0.5 Sep 09 20:51:41 anyone know a site where i could get ascii -> hex for a wep password? Sep 09 20:52:05 Aha Sep 09 20:53:54 I hacked dpkg/status file Sep 09 20:54:11 dunno if it is the right thing to do Sep 09 20:56:09 I'd recommend restoring it afterwards unless you replaced all instances? I don't recommend it, I only do it on my tablet to replace rubbish busybox stuff with the real stuff properly Sep 09 21:03:29 * Jaffa sleeps; will have to do a better version of http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo.jpg as a silkscreen for a t-shirt Sep 09 21:04:56 how about something around maemo people Sep 09 21:04:56 * Mek should probably make some kde/maemo shirt... Sep 09 21:06:35 * keesj needs to read about what happend on the kde day in belgium Sep 09 21:07:38 we're all going down in flames: http://img.lulz.net/src/G%C3%B6rd%C3%B6n%20Friim%C3%A4n.jpg Sep 09 21:09:09 you can always check at http://hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ Sep 09 21:13:03 * lardman wonders why his output file is ~1/2 size and doesn't contain the right data Sep 09 21:13:54 love that it has an rss feed Sep 09 21:20:52 shit, I am almost ready to downgrade to chinook rootstrap Sep 09 21:21:55 upgrade to sb1 Sep 09 22:07:51 * RST38bis curses diablo rootstrap Sep 09 22:08:11 broken pieceofshit Sep 09 22:11:17 Haha Sep 09 22:11:22 fanoush just blew by qgil Sep 09 22:11:31 ? Sep 09 22:12:11 in karma Sep 09 22:12:12 http://maemo.org/profile/list/ Sep 09 22:13:15 ah... the karma is broken anyway Sep 09 22:13:23 Meh Sep 09 22:13:29 so is downloads page Sep 09 22:13:39 and the stats Sep 09 22:14:01 and sb2's diablo rootstrap Sep 09 22:14:26 my karma seems to have gone down Sep 09 22:14:39 that's how one starts thinking of killing ppl I guess Sep 09 22:14:58 how can karma go down? Sep 09 22:15:27 especially when I don't have anything on the news page to be given a thumbs down Sep 09 22:15:34 Down indeed Sep 09 22:15:42 I don't even see you on the first two pages. Sep 09 22:15:52 you did not perform sacrificial rites. Sep 09 22:15:56 :) Sep 09 22:16:01 114 Sep 09 22:16:03 Ouch Sep 09 22:16:12 down from ~330-ish Sep 09 22:16:25 lost discussion karma? Sep 09 22:16:30 Time to file a bug, I guess. Sep 09 22:16:49 nah, it's fine, I've gone up 2 pages :) Sep 09 22:16:55 ok, last attempt to package Sep 09 22:17:48 ah, my discussion=8, comment=4, favs=1.75, groups=33, bugzilla=56, blogs=8 Sep 09 22:18:05 discussion seems to have taken a pounding in the new weighting system Sep 09 22:19:08 hmm, qwerty has 44 for discussion Sep 09 22:19:13 could some1 paste link to karma list? (using tablet) Sep 09 22:19:15 It's a bug Sep 09 22:19:25 http://maemo.org/profile/list/ Sep 09 22:19:27 I have 108 for discussion !! Sep 09 22:19:41 thnks Sep 09 22:19:48 lardman, your discussion karma is being calculated incorrectly or something. Sep 09 22:20:07 qgil has 6 for discussion too :) Sep 09 22:20:19 off by 1? Sep 09 22:20:27 GeneralAntilles: ah well, I'm sure I'll survive Sep 09 22:20:29 fanoush has 1400 or so Sep 09 22:20:34 lardman, file a bug, please. Sep 09 22:21:04 hehe, it worked! Sep 09 22:23:05 GeneralAntilles: Is it definitely a bug, perhaps that's by design? Sep 09 22:23:11 It's a bug Sep 09 22:23:16 clearly it's not new weighting Sep 09 22:23:20 as fanoush has 1400 Sep 09 22:24:08 My discussion karma went up, too. Sep 09 22:27:23 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 Sep 09 22:28:00 Thanks! Sep 09 22:28:31 np probs Sep 09 22:29:31 can we please have it like a pop chart with whos rising and falling? Sep 09 22:30:15 we could get a maemo celeb to read out the charts on a sunday afternoon Sep 09 22:30:24 Maemo Top 40 Sep 09 22:30:31 I'm so down with that. Sep 09 22:30:34 I nominate crashanddie. Sep 09 22:30:46 'night all - sweet, bacony dreams... Sep 09 22:30:47 yer - hes always sayin hes a radio dj Sep 09 22:30:52 nite lbt Sep 09 22:30:55 celebs? Sep 09 22:31:00 bacony never flashed hmmm Sep 09 22:31:04 yer, you Sep 09 22:31:17 give us some decent tunes to code to Sep 09 22:31:28 good discussion, overview of the scene Sep 09 22:31:32 news tidbits Sep 09 22:31:38 erhm Sep 09 22:31:41 lol Sep 09 22:31:45 24/7 NOW Sep 09 22:31:47 How about... Sep 09 22:31:47 No Sep 09 22:31:58 night lbt Sep 09 22:32:05 :( Sep 09 22:32:06 ok, i have fixed vgba packaging Sep 09 22:32:20 lol crashanddie we are gettin carried away, why not Sep 09 22:32:39 cuz my ass is going to be flying around the world :D Sep 09 22:32:47 A monthly Maemo podcast would be pretty cool. Sep 09 22:32:54 oh, I can do that Sep 09 22:33:00 time to hit the bed Sep 09 22:33:18 "this is kermit the frog reporting from [insert country] on [insert news] Sep 09 22:33:56 have we got anything to subscribe and download and listen to podcasts on this device? Sep 09 22:34:01 If /me gets elected, he might have to veto the karma rule for the next election otherwise he might not be able to vote by then Sep 09 22:34:08 ;) Sep 09 22:34:09 Canola Sep 09 22:34:11 and I should reiterate that podcasts suck. use text, as fathers of the net intended. Sep 09 22:34:14 Video Center Sep 09 22:34:14 LMAO Sep 09 22:34:15 how bad are you lard? Sep 09 22:34:16 gpodder Sep 09 22:34:27 lcuk & GeneralAntilles: I just got this in a PM "[23:33] (macmoby) i've been working on producing a few audio and video podcast but the going been slow because I work full time. if you're not already involved with the hak5 guys would you be interested in being involved in an audio panel discussion on tech/mobile/web/future that could be recorded and released as a podcast" Sep 09 22:34:27 lcuk: 114 Sep 09 22:34:41 lol Sep 09 22:35:36 still more than me Sep 09 22:35:42 im a 49er :( Sep 09 22:35:43 lcuk, the guy that interviewed me (well, the first one) Sep 09 22:35:47 lcuk, he's called "Hildon" Sep 09 22:35:54 at least you're not negative hey? ;) Sep 09 22:36:11 yer \o/ Sep 09 22:36:47 I knew it was too easy, wrong output from mp3 task so started removing the asm, and now have to plumb in lots of 64bit arithmetic :( Sep 09 22:37:13 youch! Sep 09 22:37:24 yeah, given up on that for the night Sep 09 22:38:18 and lardman, the discussion tweaks seem right if its counting thanks from itT - unless they put it on a logarithmic scale fanoush would be astronomical Sep 09 22:38:47 woo karma crap again :P Sep 09 22:39:11 im tempted to get them to suggest a scrolling window of thanks - ie consider all thinaks in last 6 months Sep 09 22:39:38 that way a person will shine like a star when they are meant to ;) Sep 09 22:40:26 my god, arent i being pushy.. apologies, i would look to try to see if that would be a better approach Sep 09 22:40:31 lcuk: fair enough Sep 09 22:40:45 * lcuk is a bit wired tonight Sep 09 22:41:05 infact, i am gonna vanish again.. Sep 09 22:41:07 cyas later Sep 09 22:41:55 night lcuk Sep 09 22:42:13 anyone know how to get a list of thanks on itt? Sep 09 22:42:36 i.e. #of thanks/posts/other metric for top 20 people, etc Sep 09 22:43:32 There isn't one Sep 09 22:43:48 Well, Reggie's got an XML dump Sep 09 22:43:53 Dunno the URL Sep 09 22:44:05 nah, fair enough, just wondering if it could do it automatically Sep 09 22:44:22 Top Thanks: me, Benson Sep 09 22:44:55 qwerty12 3rd Sep 09 22:48:45 how many posts are you on GeneralAntilles? Sep 09 22:48:55 Dunno Sep 09 22:48:59 Somewhere close to 3k Sep 09 22:49:07 Texrat probably has the most posts. Sep 09 22:49:13 :) Sep 09 22:49:57 After writing that blurb about why this and that, I looked back at oesf.org Sep 09 22:50:12 ~4.5k Sep 09 22:50:27 worn myself out :) Sep 09 22:54:20 lcuk & GeneralAntilles: shouldn't the MaemoDJ for Radio Maemo have at least 25 in karma? Sep 09 22:54:47 I figure we can let you slip by just this once. ;) Sep 09 22:55:49 First song on Radio Maemo: http://www.deezer.com/track/1089 Sep 09 22:55:50 crashanddie: 200 minimum. better yet 2000! Sep 09 22:56:09 jott, now you're just asking me to be a karma whore Sep 09 22:56:43 that's what karma is all about :> Sep 09 22:57:19 * lardman wonders if ct100 is good enough or whether to go for ct125 satellite cable Sep 09 22:57:32 Though, I thought participating on the mailing lists was taken into account in the karma? Sep 09 22:57:50 It is. Sep 09 22:58:17 More than 3 emails, I s'pose then :P Sep 09 22:58:21 darius jack rules them all :) Sep 09 22:58:57 Ever since I first read an email from him Sep 09 22:59:06 I wanted to make my signature "Darius, Jack Off" Sep 09 23:00:14 how about "Darius - The true heart of karma" Sep 09 23:02:39 night chaps Sep 09 23:36:08 maemo Sep 09 23:38:05 night Sep 10 00:17:06 wow Sep 10 00:17:11 his contribution was useful Sep 10 00:17:52 http://slexy.org/view/s206PGCHSw Sep 10 00:19:06 He's an old troll. Sep 10 00:19:21 GeneralAntilles, badmouther Sep 10 00:19:27 GeneralAntilles, for you, everyone's a troll Sep 10 00:19:36 GeneralAntilles, but the truth is Sep 10 00:19:41 GeneralAntilles, YOU'RE THE TROLL Sep 10 00:19:47 facetroll Sep 10 00:19:55 he just needs a haircut, be nice Sep 10 00:20:08 trolls? Hair? Sep 10 00:20:18 Dude, never try to touch a troll's hair Sep 10 00:20:49 You know water is deadly to trolls, right? Sep 10 00:22:02 Well, in the same manner they are driven by an uncontrollable burst of energy, power, call this demon manifestation what you want, but they are possessed, and they will murder whomever is responsible for getting them in contact with such vile substance Sep 10 00:22:17 Also, never harm their pet flies Sep 10 00:22:28 You know, the ones that nest in their ears? Sep 10 00:23:27 That's where Chuck Palahniuk got his inspiration for Fight Club Sep 10 00:23:39 "You hit me in the ear, oh you fucker" Sep 10 00:24:00 Which brings me to the "Brad Pitt is a troll" Sep 10 00:24:22 but I feel hostility towards those who read these lines Sep 10 00:24:53 Yes you, thou who readst thesest linessest Sep 10 00:25:25 In the future or in the past, I can sense the evil, buried deep in you Sep 10 00:25:58 I will now retire to my room, my friends await my return Sep 10 00:26:36 My guards have arrived, my fearsome dragonslayers are ready to give their life for me Sep 10 00:26:55 Once again, they shall protect their lord as I have given them the right to live Sep 10 00:27:31 May the peace be with you, I shall pray as these brave knights draped in white bring me back to my quarters Sep 10 00:27:52 Venture Bros is such a great show. Sep 10 00:27:53 Or, as some of you, lowlives dear to call them, "the big men in white coats" Sep 10 00:28:19 Indeed it is. Sep 10 00:28:54 I just hope I don't have to wait another 2 years for season 4 Sep 10 00:33:10 watch this video: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10037202-2.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5 Sep 10 00:33:12 the guy's a genius Sep 10 00:36:30 who is going to clone it crashanddie Sep 10 00:36:54 that's going to be so CPU intensive Sep 10 00:37:00 but I reckon I could code it Sep 10 00:37:53 what will cause all the cpu usage Sep 10 00:38:34 * smackpotato uses one finger typing always Sep 10 00:38:48 well, say you don't want to be too difficult in which keys have been pointed Sep 10 00:39:00 you need to work out an error margin based on speed, basically Sep 10 00:39:18 so when you're going really quick, you get a bigger zone of possible mistakes Sep 10 00:39:44 say I swype from a to u, from u to t, from t to o Sep 10 00:39:49 cool like take acceleration into effect and stuff like that? Sep 10 00:41:14 for each segment, you have to take the keys around end and starting point, and compare with a list of known words Sep 10 00:41:19 and see what would be the most plausible Sep 10 00:42:54 there is an app where letters come flying across the screen and you choose them. its for the handycaped Sep 10 00:43:16 handycaped? Sep 10 00:43:21 the more probability of a letter the bigger it is Sep 10 00:43:35 Don't think there's anything handy in being handicapped Sep 10 00:43:38 i forget what its called Sep 10 00:44:20 poor spelling is a handycap. i know. Sep 10 00:45:52 your intellegence is data mined from the google spell checker Sep 10 00:46:21 poor spellers are targeted with capital one adds Sep 10 00:50:28 also elvis bust ads Sep 10 00:56:44 http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html Sep 10 00:56:48 dasher Sep 10 01:18:38 has any one done the tri-boot yet? Sep 10 01:18:50 tri-boot? Sep 10 01:18:58 yes Sep 10 01:19:10 OK then. Sep 10 01:20:39 tri-boot what? Sep 10 01:20:55 aren't there only 2 OSs available? Sep 10 01:21:35 diablo, debian , and kde Sep 10 01:21:49 KDE isn't an OS Sep 10 01:21:54 it's ontop of maemo Sep 10 01:22:02 on top Sep 10 01:22:26 still tho Sep 10 01:22:37 I guess you could set up a seperate kde and hildon environment Sep 10 01:22:43 yeh Sep 10 01:22:49 thats what i ment Sep 10 01:24:16 i cant wait for Pandora (console) Sep 10 01:24:21 it shoudl be do-able Sep 10 01:27:23 This is just so perfectly well dosed: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-2yMBrWnds&feature=related Sep 10 01:30:20 What's to try with tri-boot? Sep 10 01:30:27 It's exactly the same as dual booting, except with one more. Sep 10 01:30:46 i dont know i was just wounding if any one had done it Sep 10 01:30:48 saying you can :) Sep 10 01:30:58 true Sep 10 01:31:27 summatusmentis, well, at least 4: OS2007, OS2008, Deblet, Ubuntu. Sep 10 01:31:38 Then maybe another few variations of each on top of that. Sep 10 01:31:44 oh, I suppose Sep 10 01:31:49 is Ubuntu available and usable? Sep 10 01:32:07 With a little work. Sep 10 01:32:19 There isn't really much point using Ubuntu over Deblet, though. Sep 10 01:32:27 Well, except for armv6 Sep 10 01:32:32 So it'll be marginally faster. Sep 10 01:32:49 and pretty :) Sep 10 01:32:57 Er Sep 10 01:33:13 They all use the same toolkits and DEs. Sep 10 01:33:18 So one can't really be any prettier than the other. :\ Sep 10 01:33:31 I thought Ubuntu had a different interface? Sep 10 01:33:56 Gnome, KDE, xfce4, etc, etc Sep 10 01:34:01 Pick a DE, pick a theme. Sep 10 01:34:07 It's not distro-depenendent. Sep 10 01:34:23 i want slaxware Sep 10 01:35:05 summatusmentis, Ubuntu comes default with Gnome, Kubuntu comes default with KDE, But you can install KDE on Ubuntu no problem. Does Debian come with a default? I don't know, I never installed a GUI on debian, lol Sep 10 01:35:17 b1ackdeath, slackware? Sep 10 01:35:37 Debian doesn't favor a DE by default. Sep 10 01:35:42 Debian I think generally installs both? Sep 10 01:35:46 that's what I thought Sep 10 01:35:53 summatusmentis, that would be stupid Sep 10 01:35:57 It doesn't install any GUI by default. Sep 10 01:36:01 haha slax im asleep Sep 10 01:36:13 crashanddie: I know Ubuntu proper has that option, what about the MID version Sep 10 01:36:15 b1ackdeath, just tell me something Sep 10 01:36:27 MID is GNOME, essentially. Sep 10 01:36:37 Most of the same stuff as Maemo. Sep 10 01:36:39 GeneralAntilles: if you pick the Desktop profile, does debian install both? or just GNOME? Sep 10 01:36:46 b1ackdeath, why the bloody fuck on earth would you want a source based OS on a 400Mhz mobile CPU? Sep 10 01:37:05 djeezus, I'm swearing like lcuk Sep 10 01:37:11 Why do some people like to get kicked in the crotch? Sep 10 01:37:16 I'll never know. :P Sep 10 01:37:26 GeneralAntilles, good point Sep 10 01:37:31 oi! i resemble those comments Sep 10 01:37:57 No but I meant, it's cool Sep 10 01:38:06 It's a cool, social thing to swear like you Sep 10 01:38:12 cuz its hackable and It's sooo much easier to compile and build Slackware packages Sep 10 01:38:31 b1ackdeath, it's also a lot faster/easier to just apt a package home :P Sep 10 01:38:46 but yeah, your suffering, won't prevent you from doing it Sep 10 01:39:05 GeneralAntilles, check the Cnet link I posted earlier Sep 10 01:39:10 Nope Sep 10 01:39:31 that was a rhetorical statement Sep 10 01:39:54 I saw a "did you" Sep 10 01:40:05 Stop hacking my computer. Sep 10 01:40:26 Stuck on a 3G connection here. Sep 10 01:40:32 No video downloading for me. Sep 10 01:40:58 lcuk, I guess we'll have to do it so that GA can understand what we're talking about... Sep 10 01:41:14 lcuk, see, no IP infringement, it was only "educational" Sep 10 01:41:36 anyway guys Sep 10 01:41:39 almost 3AM Sep 10 01:41:42 I'm calling it a night Sep 10 01:41:50 Call it like it is. Sep 10 01:42:13 Has been an exhausting day, and haven't slept a lot these days, so I better get all the sleep I can get Sep 10 01:42:30 (I was just by the amount of irony that's contained in that sentence when you say it at 3AM) Sep 10 01:42:40 s/just/just struck/ Sep 10 01:42:40 crashanddie meant: (I was just struck by the amount of irony that's contained in that sentence when you say it at 3AM) Sep 10 02:38:18 Anyone watching Medical Mysteries tonight? Crazy. Sep 10 02:40:44 Hey Sep 10 02:41:00 Mrhanz: Hello. Sep 10 02:41:59 Think u could help me geet kimet running on a n770? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 10 02:59:57 2008