**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 10 02:59:57 2008 Sep 10 04:22:56 :( I wish there were larger micro-sd cards available Sep 10 04:24:23 Hi ! Sep 10 04:24:49 I'm looking for a voluntary to port http://live.gnome.org/GooCanvas on Maemo and his python binding Sep 10 04:26:34 I wish the N810 weren't so shitty. Sep 10 04:27:00 shitty because of mini sd? Sep 10 04:27:14 For a lot of reasons. Sep 10 04:27:21 I love my n810, don't think I could deal with the touch keyboard Sep 10 04:27:23 Slider, MiniSD, Dpad Sep 10 04:27:55 nokia thinks it is more stylish Sep 10 04:28:10 although frankly n810 is a scratch magnet Sep 10 04:28:53 I'm a fan, but I do like the idea of regular SD cards Sep 10 04:29:44 i like the slider ... but yep ... a full sized sd card is better Sep 10 04:31:29 * RST38h does not care what sd card looks like - never removing mine Sep 10 04:31:49 n810 hardware is pretty similar to n800 right? n800 is n810 minus keyboard, sd cards instead of mini sd, no gps ? Sep 10 04:31:52 but d-pad and the whole thing being constantly scratched do matter Sep 10 04:32:10 summa: and a real dpad Sep 10 04:32:59 I've been contemplating an iPod Touch, but I suppose I could just get an n800 and accomplish the same thing Sep 10 04:33:54 is the processor speed noticable in any way? Sep 10 04:36:38 same cpu Sep 10 04:38:49 Same hardware Sep 10 04:38:54 The accessories are the only thing different. Sep 10 04:39:07 I thought the cpu was slower by 80Mhz? Sep 10 04:39:46 no Sep 10 04:40:04 Sam OMAP2, clock configurable up to 400MHz Sep 10 04:40:25 probably higher but TI only guarantees operation up to 400 Sep 10 04:40:35 does the n800 need to be overclocked? Sep 10 04:40:55 No Sep 10 04:41:04 hmm... Sep 10 04:41:06 It's the exact same hardware. Sep 10 04:41:07 Period. Sep 10 04:41:33 ok, ok :) Sep 10 04:43:21 and we think freemantle will work on the n800, yes? Sep 10 04:44:14 There's practically no way it wont. Sep 10 04:44:21 If it works on the N810, it'll work on the N800, anyway. Sep 10 04:45:54 That makes sense. I don't really want another device... :/ Sep 10 04:51:37 ad Sep 10 04:52:02 sorry, trying to detach screen with osk Sep 10 04:56:48 I suppose the n800 is hard to find now, that it's not available from Nokia anymore Sep 10 05:04:23 I really wonder what Nokia's thinking was with killing the N800. Sep 10 05:05:31 the trend for quiet a while was hardware keyboards Sep 10 05:05:48 The platform needs a "low-end" model. Sep 10 05:06:29 is the hardware keyboard really that much more contsly? Sep 10 05:06:33 costly* Sep 10 05:07:17 Probably less about the hardware cost than about pricing levels. Sep 10 05:07:32 The N810 is definitely more expensive to make than the N800, but it can't be by a lot. Sep 10 05:07:38 Size is probably a big factor. Sep 10 05:07:49 right Sep 10 05:14:25 Hi again ... Sep 10 05:14:47 goaway Sep 10 05:14:53 someone know how i can remove the border in a gtk.treeview between columns ? Sep 10 05:19:38 noone ? Sep 10 05:31:04 GA: N810 is already $300+, how much low end should it get? =) Sep 10 05:31:29 About $180 Sep 10 05:31:32 like the N800 Sep 10 05:32:12 $180? so $200 is high? Sep 10 05:32:28 Well, the market is used-only now. Sep 10 05:33:07 sure Sep 10 05:33:31 there seem to be very few available, presumably because everyone has similar opinions to you :) Sep 10 05:37:42 how can i set up USB networking between my host machine running under winXP and Nokia N810? Sep 10 05:38:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Sep 10 05:57:30 how can i set up USB networking between my host machine running under winXP and Nokia N810? Sep 10 05:57:44 You can't. Sep 10 05:57:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Sep 10 05:57:56 why not? Sep 10 05:58:03 RNDIS is broken. Sep 10 05:58:43 how can i do anything to fix it? Sep 10 05:59:07 GeneralAntilles: you've got how many tablets? Sep 10 05:59:15 Down to 3 Sep 10 05:59:18 Download the kernel and get to modifying source code. I think if we had a fix, it would be in use. Sep 10 05:59:34 yeah Sep 10 05:59:56 GA: I assume you use some for dev and some for day to day use? Sep 10 06:00:12 No, not really. Sep 10 06:00:20 I don't really do any dev work on the tablets. Sep 10 06:00:28 One is an old 770 that's an ebook reader Sep 10 06:00:35 the other is my primary N800 Sep 10 06:00:50 the other one is a backup N800 that my sister sometimes uses. Sep 10 06:06:14 I see Sep 10 06:09:17 GA: what's RNDIS ? Sep 10 06:09:28 about what? Sep 10 06:17:31 * GeneralAntilles is still staring at a desktop in Ångstrom wondering what the next step should be. Sep 10 06:17:56 meaning what? Sep 10 06:18:04 next step for what? Sep 10 06:18:31 The Beagle Sep 10 06:18:37 I need networking Sep 10 06:18:43 Not entirely sure how I want to go about getting it. Sep 10 06:19:48 ah Sep 10 06:19:56 used to use Angstrom on the Zaurus Sep 10 06:21:31 I'd almost prefer to use Debian instead since I'm a lot more familiar with it Sep 10 06:21:45 but there's a lot more Beagle-specific effort behind Ångstrom right now Sep 10 06:21:49 and Debian is still armv5 Sep 10 06:24:37 GeneralAntilles: start debootstrapping from mojo.handhelds.org maybe? they have armv6el-vfp :P Sep 10 06:24:51 Yeah, I know. Sep 10 06:24:54 I'm considering it. Sep 10 06:25:20 i bootstrapped ubuntu on tablet but there was just some key pieces gone to consider it usable :P Sep 10 06:25:52 for the later versions Sep 10 06:26:05 I'll have access to a machine I can more easily do USBnet from in a couple weeks. Sep 10 06:27:30 right, i've finally lost patience with thunderbird Sep 10 06:27:32 unstable pos Sep 10 07:10:49 well looks like the world didnt end Sep 10 07:11:42 it's a trap! Sep 10 07:12:16 I missed end-of-the-world-day, who's it according to? Sep 10 07:12:55 good morning all Sep 10 07:17:09 acydlord: ah, LHC? Sep 10 07:17:18 indeed Sep 10 07:19:55 http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ <- it apparently didn't Sep 10 07:20:06 if the lhc actually destroys the earth & this page isn't yet updated Sep 10 07:20:07 please email mike@frantic.org to receive a full refund Sep 10 07:20:09 *g* Sep 10 07:25:09 will do lol Sep 10 07:40:29 it could have all projected us in a parallell universe, destroying the orginal one, and we would not even realise... Sep 10 07:40:41 * melmoth has to stop reading pk dick novels. Sep 10 07:44:47 melmoth: we're all in a simulation currently Sep 10 08:03:17 re Sep 10 08:03:40 why apt-get -f install try to remove osso-software-version-rx34 ? Sep 10 08:04:32 (i've updated kernel to have screen rotation on my n800) Sep 10 08:07:36 You installed something that removes something it depends on. Sep 10 08:11:58 morning, all Sep 10 08:12:09 Howdy, Jaffa. Sep 10 08:13:13 hello world Sep 10 08:13:19 how many hours left before i can't vote? Sep 10 08:13:46 Just under 20, I guess? Sep 10 08:14:07 hi Sep 10 08:14:15 Hello, dneary. Sep 10 08:14:20 hi dneary Sep 10 08:14:41 "will close on 2/9/2008 at 23:59 UTC" Sep 10 08:14:43 hi guys Sep 10 08:14:49 Oops Sep 10 08:14:51 Wrong date Sep 10 08:14:53 GeneralAntilles: How's the election campaigning going? Sep 10 08:15:01 Well, today at 23:59 UTC Sep 10 08:15:16 I just checked the number of people who've voted, it's around 880 Sep 10 08:15:20 wait Sep 10 08:15:23 dneary, trying to avoid as much "campaigning" as I can. ;) Sep 10 08:15:24 so i have how many hours? Sep 10 08:15:26 It was 830 or so on Monday Sep 10 08:15:40 timeless: 4 or so Sep 10 08:15:43 What, 12k emails went out? Sep 10 08:15:51 timeless: Depending on your time zone Sep 10 08:15:55 gah i'll deal w/ it in a few hours Sep 10 08:15:58 GeneralAntilles: Yup Sep 10 08:16:16 timeless: (I'm kidding... you have 16 hours or so) Sep 10 08:16:32 Ha Sep 10 08:16:39 * GeneralAntilles got really confused there for a second. Sep 10 08:17:18 Somewhat underwhelming turnout, anyway. . . . Sep 10 08:18:08 timeless: news for you Sep 10 08:18:30 Maybe make a closing warning on maemo.org? Sep 10 08:18:37 too logical Sep 10 08:18:38 (yes please) Sep 10 08:18:55 timeless: when browserd hangs on some piece of js or css and I kill it, it seems to be leaking memory somehow Sep 10 08:19:17 timeless: the only way to recover that I found was to reboot the tablet Sep 10 08:19:19 rst38h: if the browser ui survives and manages to restart the daemon Sep 10 08:19:26 i'm not sure i'm going ot worry much Sep 10 08:19:56 atm we have a bunch of crashes where the browserui crashes trying to commit suicide because it can't restart browserd Sep 10 08:20:03 timeless: You are not going to worry much when a broken browserd leaks 30% of the total device memory? Sep 10 08:20:12 And the only way to fix it is a reboot? Sep 10 08:20:16 (yes, browersd crashed, then browser ui failed to restart it, so it tried to commit suicide, but it failed and crashed first) Sep 10 08:20:30 You misunderstand Sep 10 08:20:43 i think figuring out the problem i've described is slightly more urgent Sep 10 08:20:45 This is a situation where browserd is restarted Sep 10 08:20:46 but i'm not certain Sep 10 08:20:50 yeah, i know Sep 10 08:20:51 i got that Sep 10 08:20:55 And the browser is NOT running Sep 10 08:21:02 But the memory is gone Sep 10 08:21:06 hrm Sep 10 08:21:15 those tend to be Linux/POSIX "features" Sep 10 08:21:17 not supposed to happen in linux, I know Sep 10 08:21:20 there's very little i can do Sep 10 08:21:22 no no Sep 10 08:21:30 we use things like Shared Memory Sep 10 08:21:38 which are on unix implemented as file descriptors Sep 10 08:21:44 umgrh Sep 10 08:21:46 and Linux's impl is "special" Sep 10 08:22:05 Did I tell you before that your browserd-based architecture appears to suck? =) Sep 10 08:22:08 such that there's a guaranteed window during which your app *will* leak its file descriptor if it's killed Sep 10 08:22:16 * timeless shrugs Sep 10 08:22:24 you realize that Google Chrome does something similar, right? Sep 10 08:22:28 as does IE8 Sep 10 08:22:37 and Firefox will eventually Sep 10 08:22:38 you realize that I am not using Google Chrome? =) Sep 10 08:22:47 * timeless shrugs Sep 10 08:22:51 i have it, i don't use it Sep 10 08:22:55 and not using IE8 either Sep 10 08:23:01 * timeless neither Sep 10 08:23:06 * timeless would need to reboot first Sep 10 08:23:19 could we please have a browser that does not leak system resources? please? Sep 10 08:23:28 find a better system Sep 10 08:23:31 maybe QNX? :) Sep 10 08:23:35 no, no Sep 10 08:23:51 and maybe a microb with a newer version of gecko Sep 10 08:23:52 do not blame the OS for shortcomings in your app architecture Sep 10 08:24:07 err Sep 10 08:24:15 we probably use XSHM too Sep 10 08:24:22 which iirc shares an impl there Sep 10 08:24:30 it wasn't OS decision to move whole rendering engine into a daemon and share 30% of the device memory with it Sep 10 08:25:01 * timeless shrugs Sep 10 08:25:07 sure sounds more like an os bug Sep 10 08:25:14 And I think we have by now scientifically proven that this wonderful decision did not produce any noticeable effect on startup time Sep 10 08:25:17 anyway, file a bug in bugs.maemo.org cc eero and include details Sep 10 08:25:27 Oh I will Sep 10 08:25:48 anyway, i thought we showed that it did effect startup time Sep 10 08:26:02 the requirement was to drop under the 5s window Sep 10 08:26:05 and iirc it did that Sep 10 08:26:06 It did, by 10%? 20% Sep 10 08:26:15 from 7 to 5? yes, it did :) Sep 10 08:26:17 RST38h: more like `empirically', but indeed :) Sep 10 08:26:29 rst38h: that was the requirement, and it did it Sep 10 08:26:54 timeless: now aim for 0.5 ;) Sep 10 08:27:04 now would someone please tell me how the heck to get the itunes store to give me its Terms and Conditions to speak English? Sep 10 08:27:15 it's currently speaking this annoying language Sep 10 08:27:28 X-Fade, wouldn't that be nice. Sep 10 08:27:30 * GeneralAntilles dreams. Sep 10 08:28:17 timeless: Is it correct that the browser says 'connecting' while it is actually already downloading the html file? Sep 10 08:28:39 X-Fade: it is correct - it does say that ;-) Sep 10 08:28:58 timeless: Or am I imagining that. Sep 10 08:29:02 * Jaffa is actually quite impressed with 880 votes in the election. It was never going to be 12k, but it's more than a couple of hundred Sep 10 08:29:02 X-Fade: Sorry to ask, but culd you replace vgba_3.6.0* with the latest version uploaded tonight? Sep 10 08:29:36 RST38h: Didn't it do that automatically? Sep 10 08:29:42 X-Fade: I have found that SB2 Diablo bootstrap is broken (contains dependency on libhildonfm2 that has not been released yet), so I had to fall back to Chinook Sep 10 08:29:54 X-Fade: Not as of 1.5 hours ago Sep 10 08:29:58 Checking Sep 10 08:30:37 RST38h: It should handle the non-free queue once every hour. Sep 10 08:30:49 no, the record in packages still indicates C:\work\mfayzull\ept\softsdv\v20080828_0\tests\av_tests>grep SUCCESS result_vmx_nehalem_ept.txt.log |wc -l Sep 10 08:30:49 430 Sep 10 08:30:49 C:\work\mfayzull\ept\softsdv\v20080828_0\tests\av_tests>grep FAILURE result_vmx_nehalem_ept.txt.log |wc -l Sep 10 08:30:54 Shit Sep 10 08:30:59 You have not seen this. Sep 10 08:31:18 libhildonfm2 (>= 1:2.0.6.1) <-- this is what packages says Sep 10 08:31:25 No, that would have been embarrassing Sep 10 08:32:34 RST38h: 136930 Sep 10 01:32 vgba_3.6.0-1_armel.deb Sep 10 08:32:54 .deb looks ok Sep 10 08:33:03 RST38h: If you repackage or recompile, please update the version number. Sep 10 08:33:10 RST38h: At least the revision. Sep 10 08:33:16 but the Packages contains data for the previous version Sep 10 08:33:35 RST38h: Yes, because you uploaded the same version number. Sep 10 08:33:50 RST38h: Shame on you ;) Sep 10 08:33:58 Yes, true Sep 10 08:34:06 But it was 2:32am! Sep 10 08:34:20 RST38h: I can only fix this by reindexing the repo. Sep 10 08:34:45 Is it ok to do? The previous version did not install anyway so keeping the same version number should be ok Sep 10 08:35:11 RST38h: Will do, but next time.. Never upload the same version twice ;) Sep 10 08:35:49 if there is old version, always change version number Sep 10 08:36:33 Always, always, always, increment the version. Sep 10 08:37:19 always! Sep 10 08:38:44 RST38h: Better now? Sep 10 08:43:54 checking Sep 10 08:45:16 X-Fade: Yep, that's it. Sorry, I will not be naughty next time Sep 10 08:45:27 RST38h: You'd better ;) Sep 10 08:45:39 *not Sep 10 08:45:44 The only victim would probably be qwerty - he manually modified the faulty deb to install it Sep 10 08:45:55 The rest could not install it anyway Sep 10 08:46:06 morning Sep 10 08:46:10 Well, forced install is always a road to pain. Sep 10 08:49:24 Hi, hrw. Sep 10 08:51:02 I just timed the bootup time for my n810, it's about 35 seconds and about 40-45 until it's actually functioning (i.e button presses actually yield applications) Sep 10 08:51:34 yeah, it's incredible isn't it? :P Sep 10 08:51:40 debian is like 75sec Sep 10 08:51:40 :P Sep 10 08:52:13 geez Sep 10 08:52:16 that's just too long Sep 10 08:52:28 You're not supposed to turn it off anyway. Sep 10 08:52:32 indeed Sep 10 08:52:40 * aquatix almost never reboots the thing Sep 10 08:53:04 Just think of your N810 as the computer running the New York Stock Exchange Sep 10 08:53:09 are you going to reboot that thing? Sep 10 08:53:09 No. Sep 10 08:53:13 *g* Sep 10 08:53:36 * aquatix listens some music on his stock exchange mainframe Sep 10 08:53:40 lol GeneralAntilles Sep 10 08:53:49 But, seriously, it's an always-on device Sep 10 08:53:52 what do you mean not turn it off Sep 10 08:53:55 NY stock exchange does run with linux if i remember correctly :) Sep 10 08:54:03 which has an update of 25 days Sep 10 08:54:06 A reboot shaves about 1-2 days off your standby time. Sep 10 08:54:43 why? because of the mediascanner? Sep 10 08:54:43 melmoth: yeah, the UK one runs win2003 though Sep 10 08:54:44 so what do you do with it when you don't need it for a whole day (i.e work day)? Sep 10 08:54:55 liri: let it be? Sep 10 08:54:57 liri: Just leave it as is? Sep 10 08:55:04 it sleeps happily Sep 10 08:55:21 so just through it in the closed case while it's on? Sep 10 08:55:51 If you turn it off, you're wasting way more than 8 hours standby time. Sep 10 08:56:04 Turning it on is *very* power intensive Sep 10 08:56:28 Close to a minute of 100% everything. Sep 10 08:56:43 uhmm Sep 10 08:56:57 Whereas it'll stay on for 30 stays from 100% battery at full idle. Sep 10 08:57:04 so is there a sleep/standby state or do you get just "leave" it on Sep 10 08:57:15 GeneralAntilles: 30 days? whoa Sep 10 08:57:21 It goes into idle several times a second during use Sep 10 08:57:25 it's not a desktop machine. Sep 10 08:57:29 liri: just switch on `hold' Sep 10 08:57:43 aquatix, yeah, fanoush has apparently done a few 30-day rundowns Sep 10 08:57:44 to disable screen and keys Sep 10 08:57:48 GeneralAntilles: wow Sep 10 08:57:56 Yeah, that was my reaction too. Sep 10 08:58:02 8-14 days is more realistic. Sep 10 08:58:04 * aquatix can't leave his n810 alone for longer than 4 hours though Sep 10 08:58:17 liri, ARM is very good with powermanagement. Sep 10 08:58:25 except for when i'm on standby myself Sep 10 08:58:26 Precious. . . . Sep 10 09:01:47 Quite cool: http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/15234407.rss Sep 10 09:02:36 that's the first useful twitter feed i've come across Sep 10 09:02:47 ^ Sep 10 09:03:23 * GeneralAntilles crosses fingers for the zombie apocalypse. Sep 10 09:04:04 GeneralAntilles: what's offline mode? Sep 10 09:06:17 Turns off the radios Sep 10 09:06:23 So that'll keep if from trying to autoconnect and such. Sep 10 09:06:38 ahh ok Sep 10 09:06:57 ok, so you say it's going into standby after a short while just by not touching it, then lock the keys and keep it this way? Sep 10 09:07:53 liri, locking doesn't do anything more than disable touchscreen and key input. Sep 10 09:09:31 GeneralAntilles: yeah which is good because you don't want the device to accidentally get input on the screen like it happens with cellphones in your pocket Sep 10 09:09:52 GeneralAntilles: is it safe to leave it in it's standby mode inside a closed pocket case? Sep 10 09:10:01 Of course Sep 10 09:10:22 cool, I'll try it like that Sep 10 09:14:24 mgcal is very nice, I think khertan should draw some ideas from it Sep 10 09:14:48 * Jaffa doesn't think he's seen it. URL/Screenshot? Sep 10 09:15:13 just a sec Sep 10 09:15:39 here Sep 10 09:15:56 http://gagnews.net/?page_id=3 Sep 10 09:17:00 hm, nice Sep 10 09:17:24 mgcal.. was that moontigers? Sep 10 09:17:45 it's lauren's, I don't know his nickname on IRC Sep 10 09:18:25 it's a good example how to make efficient use of screen space, which is what I'm trying to tell khertan to do Sep 10 09:18:55 log.08-24-2008:[08:32:57] its called "mgcal" in extras-cevel in case you use google calendar Sep 10 09:19:01 with ~lauren, so prolly him/her Sep 10 09:19:08 yep Sep 10 09:19:47 * aquatix is not sure whether he wants to share his complete agenda with google Sep 10 09:20:05 whats the name of that upcoming communication tool which replaces the current one? Sep 10 09:20:24 speech? social interaction? real life? Sep 10 09:20:26 * Fatal hides Sep 10 09:20:32 telepathy? Sep 10 09:20:40 aquatix: I don't think anything on my calendar is actually important as in terms of paranoia Sep 10 09:21:12 liri: well, the less google knows about me, the better Sep 10 09:21:54 I don't really get this kind of paranoia these days, to be honest Sep 10 09:22:41 not yet Sep 10 09:23:01 I understand how 10 years ago everyone used nicknames on IRC, I connected only through bouncers off of different networks I had access to, spoofed my IP etc but today... I think it's a different world on the net and not really a whole lot worse Sep 10 09:23:54 myeah Sep 10 09:23:58 i value my privacy Sep 10 09:23:58 I mean, these days you make use of internet services much more Sep 10 09:24:05 don't need anything to hide for that Sep 10 09:24:06 I value my privacy too Sep 10 09:32:28 aquatix do you have a linkedin profile? Sep 10 09:34:06 yeah it's that telepathy thing now that I'm reading it Sep 10 09:34:16 when it is due to be stable and avaiable on diablo? Sep 10 09:34:20 *available Sep 10 09:36:11 liri: Telepathy is already the basis of the IM system in Maemo Sep 10 09:36:30 Now waiting to telekinesis... Sep 10 09:37:35 though it doesn't support yet voice/video is it? Sep 10 09:40:01 Could anyone help? I'm trying to launch a service by sending a dbus method call to it from a hildon statusbar plugin. The service gets started allright, but it always fails at osso_initialize. If I run the same service from the task navigator, everything works ok Sep 10 09:46:51 liri: it does support SIP and XMPP voice and video calls... Sep 10 09:47:24 liri: when you install the telepathy-haze backend, there's no voice/video support there because libpurple doesn't support it yet Sep 10 09:47:27 they're working on it Sep 10 09:47:43 hi! What is the easiest way to profile the entire linux system with large granularity? Just to see how much time is spent in kernel-libc-libxxx-apllication? Sep 10 09:48:40 vovkav: oprofile I think Sep 10 09:49:31 it doesn't have the large granularity you say - it's very detailed - but its the only thing I can think of off the top of my head which can profile on such a system-wide level Sep 10 09:49:50 but you can always extract less detailed summaries from more detailed information Sep 10 09:50:52 Robot101: ok.... Do You have a quick suggestion how to rise granularity? Or the url of a quick-start guide? ;) Sep 10 09:51:20 never used it, sorry Sep 10 09:51:23 I suspect he means "small" granularity not "large Sep 10 09:51:43 vovkav: you want measurements to be more precise? Sep 10 09:52:27 oprofile is very precise, I thought vovkav wanted very coarse indication of x % in kernel, y % in this app, etc Sep 10 09:52:32 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~sandmann/sysprof/ is another option Sep 10 09:53:20 oprofile has some UIs for it too - http://labs.o-hand.com/oprofileui/ Sep 10 09:53:26 Robot101: coarse -indeed. (My English is not native) Sep 10 09:53:48 http://labs.o-hand.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/oprofileui.png Sep 10 09:54:00 that seems to be pretty close to what you might want Sep 10 09:54:44 you can drill down and see which programs and libraries are taking the time Sep 10 09:56:21 morning Sep 10 09:58:20 ok Sep 10 09:58:32 moo, lardman Sep 10 09:58:49 vovkav: for coarse stuff, install htop Sep 10 09:58:57 no need for oprofile Sep 10 09:58:57 Thanks, everybody! Sep 10 10:00:21 I should get some emulators going on the tablet. . . . Sep 10 10:03:22 Does anybody know how am I supposed to start programs by using DBus? Sep 10 10:04:01 I thought dbus just started them if you asked for a value they provide Sep 10 10:05:14 yes, it started it ok. Then I would like to osso_initialize the new program Sep 10 10:05:18 but it always fails Sep 10 10:06:19 dunno, sorry Sep 10 10:07:07 osso_initialize happens to be one of the few method calls that give no feedback why it fails Sep 10 10:07:39 Hehe Sep 10 10:07:41 It hates you. Sep 10 10:07:47 Gotta treat it sweet like. ;) Sep 10 10:26:50 does anyone know which flag would ignore all compiler warnings? Sep 10 10:28:35 -Wnone ? Sep 10 10:30:06 ok, I'll try that Sep 10 10:34:46 liri: i have a linkedin profile, yes Sep 10 10:34:49 why? :) Sep 10 10:37:33 Interesting, does using the register keyword require a single register large enough to hold the data type, or can it be split? E.g. register mad_fixed64hi_t hi; Sep 10 10:44:48 aquatix: so you can say goodbye to your privacy now :) Sep 10 10:44:55 aquatix: I have one too btw Sep 10 10:45:37 Robot101: nice to know, thanks. Sep 10 10:46:01 Robot101: are there any ideas when would telepathy make it to stable repos? Sep 10 10:47:02 liri: eh? it's shipped on the device by default, like, it comes with telepathy-{glib,gabble,sofiasip,mission-control} Sep 10 10:47:14 liri: that's how the built-in presence/abook/chat/call apps work Sep 10 10:47:29 liri: well Sep 10 10:47:42 liri: who says i have a lot of info on it? :) Sep 10 10:48:39 Robot101: maybe I'm confusing things... isn't it supposed to support many IM protocols like pidgin? (i.e icq, msn, irc, etc) Sep 10 10:48:47 aquatix: lol Sep 10 10:48:58 aquatix: ok well, we'll not argue this :) Sep 10 10:49:03 liri: it's an abstraction layer where you can plug in lots of backends Sep 10 10:49:04 ghehe Sep 10 10:49:15 liri: it's already used by the devices to provide SIP and XMPP Sep 10 10:49:17 liri: just saying i'm a bit hesitant with putting personal stuff online :) Sep 10 10:49:25 liri: there's another backend which loads in the pidgin libpurple library Sep 10 10:49:30 a good researcher can already profile me quite completely Sep 10 10:49:39 liri: that lets you add AIM/ICQ/MSN/etc Sep 10 10:49:43 but i'm a bit hesitant to giving google my complete time scheme Sep 10 10:50:05 liri: but it'll never ship by default on the devices, it's got reverse engineered code, all sorts of questions about liability, service agreements, patents, etc Sep 10 10:50:44 Robot101: right, I don't expect it to be shipped by default, but is it installable already via app manager? Sep 10 10:51:42 hrm, I dunno Sep 10 10:51:51 Robot101: by "it" I mean the plugins for the other protocols Sep 10 10:52:03 let me have a look Sep 10 10:52:08 * aquatix has msn and such that way Sep 10 10:52:22 I got a little bit confused about what is what Sep 10 10:52:23 The Collabora repo has the necessary stuff. Sep 10 10:52:29 yeah Sep 10 10:52:39 account-plugins-telepathy and telepathy-whatever Sep 10 10:52:52 Be nice to have that stuff in Extras at least. Sep 10 10:53:02 * aquatix has collabora haze Sep 10 10:53:25 just to make a little sense into it, the currently installed communication tool for doing sip/xmpp is called telepathy right? Sep 10 10:53:30 http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo distribution: diablo components: user Sep 10 10:54:56 oh, our repo does have it Sep 10 10:54:58 tum ti tum :) Sep 10 10:55:43 Robot101: which repo? diablo testing? Sep 10 10:55:52 liri, 4 lines up. . . . Sep 10 10:55:53 no the one aquatix just pasted Sep 10 10:55:56 liri: see my line Sep 10 10:56:06 aquatix: what other IMs are you using with it besides msn? Sep 10 10:56:09 ahh ok I see it Sep 10 10:56:25 I'd just checked on the repo but I'm brain damaged today so I looked in the i386 dir and I didn't see many packages there, lol Sep 10 10:56:34 Robot101: what is the package I need to install from there? Sep 10 10:56:48 liri: erm, yahoo, aim... Sep 10 10:57:15 aquatix: does it allow voice/video for msn? Sep 10 10:57:26 nope, not that i know Sep 10 10:57:29 liri, 1 page up. . . . Sep 10 10:57:40 aMSN does video and voice with MSN. Sep 10 10:58:31 maybe I'll check aMSN too but I'm not too keen on having several messaging apps Sep 10 10:59:08 * GeneralAntilles shrugs. Sep 10 10:59:17 Well, it's your only option for video and voice with MSN at the moment. Sep 10 10:59:32 just use sip :) Sep 10 10:59:36 yep, I'll check it Sep 10 10:59:45 aquatix: I use sip but not all my friends do Sep 10 10:59:56 beat them till they do ;) Sep 10 10:59:59 I'll give aMSN a try, is that on the repos too? Sep 10 11:00:00 Time to force your friends to use an open protocol. Sep 10 11:00:02 hehe Sep 10 11:00:07 tell me about it Sep 10 11:00:09 or stop talking to them :P Sep 10 11:00:18 get a cellphone ;) Sep 10 11:01:00 * aquatix loves annoying counter-arguments Sep 10 11:01:12 Thankfully everybody I'd want to voice or video to follows my advice in protocol choice. ;) Sep 10 11:01:25 Robot101: any idea if there's jingle available for maemo? Sep 10 11:01:32 GeneralAntilles: :) Sep 10 11:01:40 aquatix: buuh? Sep 10 11:01:48 * aquatix never does video chat, only some voip Sep 10 11:01:50 aquatix: the built in XMPP thing already makes jingle audio and video calls... Sep 10 11:02:01 but mainly i do cellphone talks Sep 10 11:02:07 Robot101: oh duh Sep 10 11:02:19 * aquatix gets another coffee Sep 10 11:05:18 talking of which, I've still been unable to establish a voip-call between n810 and my wife's laptop running mac os x with the following requirements met: 1) protocol must be supported by n810's im/voip framework == I don't need to launch skype, gizmo5 or any other "large" and visible application. 2) service needs to be free as in lunch. 3) service needs to work without having to poke holes to local firewall. Sep 10 11:05:42 Gizmo Sep 10 11:05:53 It's just SIP/Jabber Sep 10 11:07:18 believe me I've tried. obviously I'm doing something horribly wrong, but whatever I do, contact menu on n810 only allows chat, not voip calls. Sep 10 11:08:01 You setup the Gizmo account with rtcomm? Sep 10 11:08:02 there's absolutely no problem establishing a voip call between two n8[01]0s Sep 10 11:08:08 @sipphone.com ? Sep 10 11:08:13 proxy01.sipphone.com Sep 10 11:08:24 what's rtcomm? Sep 10 11:08:32 The chat framework Sep 10 11:08:33 I think that's the one I was talking about Sep 10 11:08:38 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org Sep 10 11:08:39 yeah I have one of those Sep 10 11:09:01 or an ekiga account Sep 10 11:09:04 The rtcomm beta includes a preset for Gizmo VoIP Sep 10 11:09:11 It may be worth installing Sep 10 11:10:38 I've managed to make a call between n810 and linux-pc using an ekiga account, but it worked very unreliably, i.e. sometimes voip would only go one way Sep 10 11:11:38 and what bothers me the most is that pretty much everyone keeps telling me it should work just fine ;-) Sep 10 11:12:01 do you have some annoying NAT router in between? Sep 10 11:12:10 ^ Sep 10 11:12:12 not when I'm testing back home Sep 10 11:12:25 Missing a way on one end is a NAT issue. Sep 10 11:13:09 and I though stun would work around that in most cases Sep 10 11:13:20 * aquatix has that with his voip phone at home, while stun is enabled :/ Sep 10 11:13:22 really annoying Sep 10 11:15:00 anyway, I was going to say next that I noticed that some part of stun clearly isn't working as my ip filter is blocking quite a bit of traffic from unstable01.sipphone.com to port 49357. Sep 10 11:15:32 I haven't done anything about it because I figured that I can't possibly expect it to work elsewhere if I need to poke holes back home too Sep 10 11:16:12 and like I said, sometimes the transmission worked both ways Sep 10 11:16:46 and finally, skype works flawlessly Sep 10 11:17:25 myeah, skype has some neat NAT tricks iirc Sep 10 11:19:47 gtalk/jingle is good at NAT traversal Sep 10 11:19:53 skype is packed with utter utter bong Sep 10 11:20:10 like, it works great, but it does so many ugly things Sep 10 11:20:31 I wonder what's wrong... DBusConnection * conn = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SYSTEM, &err); succeeds, but DBusConnection * conn = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SESSION, &err); fails Sep 10 11:21:03 what's the err->message? Sep 10 11:21:08 Mikho: are you in scratchbox? don't forget to run under "run-standalone.sh", otherwise the session environment variables don't get set Sep 10 11:21:19 "did not get reply" Sep 10 11:22:19 is session bus daemon running?-) Sep 10 11:22:32 This call is from a program started from a taskbar plugin with dbus_bool_t dbus_bus_start_service_by_name -command Sep 10 11:23:43 the same program can also be found in the task navigator. When I run it from there, everything works Sep 10 11:23:50 Four hours of this boredom will easily match ten of anything else Sep 10 11:24:14 just when I start the program with dbus, it suddenly can't connect to the *session* bus Sep 10 11:24:50 oh Sep 10 11:24:53 connect to the starter bus Sep 10 11:24:57 system bus connection works perfectly in every case Sep 10 11:25:08 starter bus? Sep 10 11:25:19 the bus that dbus started your application to run on Sep 10 11:25:34 so if you're activated by the session bus, it's the session bus Sep 10 11:25:36 \o/ -> Sep 10 11:25:40 oh Sep 10 11:26:08 so, I'm not supposed to call osso_initialize from the started program, but to just connect to the starter bus Sep 10 11:26:22 hrm Sep 10 11:26:31 that is weird though, it should work... Sep 10 11:26:40 osso_initialize wants to connect to system and session Sep 10 11:26:43 I think if you don't call osso_initialize then bad stuff happens Sep 10 11:31:06 right... just connecting to starter isn't enough. My app got killed a few seconds after running Sep 10 11:49:20 this is so weird... I have two cout << "Blah" << endl; lines in the beginning of my program. If I run the program from the source directory, it prints both lines, but if I move the file to /usr/bin/ it only prints the first line and then nothing Sep 10 11:56:45 Mikho, paste the code to http://www.slexy.org Sep 10 11:58:26 actually, I think it's an outdated piece of code the dbus is executing. If I remove the executable from /usr/bin, dbus won't start the program, but even if I replace it with a newer version, it still runs the old code Sep 10 11:59:04 check the service file. maybe you changed the path at some point. Sep 10 12:07:07 hmmm Sep 10 12:09:23 http://pastebin.com/d438b9174 what could explain this? Sep 10 12:09:46 the running... print line is the first line in the code Sep 10 12:10:56 it's running a previous version of the program if i copy it to /usr/bin/ Sep 10 12:11:11 why on earth? Sep 10 12:14:23 Hi ! Sep 10 12:15:43 ey Khertan :) Sep 10 12:25:11 * Khertan is discovering Python Magazine ... Sep 10 12:25:20 hi aquatix Sep 10 12:25:41 lo khertan Sep 10 12:28:17 * aquatix wonders when a NIT edition with a toshiba 240GB 1.8" hdd appears Sep 10 12:28:23 pmp++ Sep 10 12:28:47 Gooooodbyeeee battery life! Sep 10 12:29:07 who cares ;) Sep 10 12:29:12 Me! Sep 10 12:29:16 * aquatix too Sep 10 12:29:19 but still Sep 10 12:29:26 Be interesting to see the throughput booting off a 1.8, though. Sep 10 12:29:35 besides, there are quite a few music players with such hdd's Sep 10 12:29:52 with decent battery life Sep 10 12:29:54 Yeah, they don't have hungry SoCs, though. Sep 10 12:30:12 myeah Sep 10 12:30:56 ok, I think I solved the problem with osso_initialize. It seems I was supposed to start the service using session bus, not system bus. Sep 10 12:30:59 I want a nuclear reactor in my tablet. Sep 10 12:31:50 Then I can have my quad-core Cortex A9 running at 2.0GHz and capable of playing Crysis Sep 10 12:31:58 with a battery life of 50 years Sep 10 12:32:03 haha Sep 10 12:32:06 oh, and it can fry eggs Sep 10 12:32:08 all the time. Sep 10 12:32:09 nice one antilles Sep 10 12:32:16 but I'm still stumped why it executed different code in /usr/bin directory Sep 10 12:32:19 GeneralAntilles: and do the dishes? Sep 10 12:32:27 that needs a tremendous amount of energy Sep 10 12:32:27 Dry the dishes, certainly. Sep 10 12:32:31 ghehe Sep 10 12:33:26 bah, the online train-tickets-booking site refuses to sell me tickets to berlin with some cryptic error message :( Sep 10 12:33:54 I love it when that happens. Sep 10 12:34:13 GeneralAntilles: btw, the 240GB 1.8" hdd has a read speed of 488Mbps Sep 10 12:34:34 or rather, internal speed Sep 10 12:34:35 Niceee Sep 10 12:34:38 Oh Sep 10 12:34:44 I had one of those trying to file a warranty claim on an Xbox Sep 10 12:35:04 then the upper-level tech support guy bitched at me because there were at least 2 dozen claim entries in their database. Sep 10 12:35:18 Not my fault your claim application is broken. Sep 10 12:35:54 heh, indeed Sep 10 12:36:22 Had to listen to a heavy-metal interpretation of the Halo theme for about an hour. Sep 10 12:36:30 * GeneralAntilles also slit his own wrists. Sep 10 12:36:36 aww Sep 10 12:36:37 s/also/almost/ Sep 10 12:36:39 Mek: bahn.de ? Sep 10 12:36:55 Jaffa: no... nshispeed.nl (coming from the netherlands) Sep 10 12:37:20 Mek: ah, the usual cryptic errors of the NS Sep 10 12:37:35 yeah, "*error.TAMARA.MESSAGE.00801-00510 " doesn't make much sense to me :) Sep 10 12:37:55 Some tamara has left you an error message Sep 10 12:37:58 hmmmm, Tamara Sep 10 12:38:03 Makes perfect sense Sep 10 12:38:12 !get message 00801-00510 Sep 10 12:38:12 aquatix: Error: The command "get" is available in the Lart and Praise plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". Sep 10 12:38:16 lool Sep 10 12:38:57 Whoa Sep 10 12:39:01 When did povbot show up? Sep 10 12:39:28 Mek: I'm going back to Apeldoorn and booked through bahn.de since it a) worked and b) had an English interface. The .nl site errored for me consistently. Sep 10 12:39:52 Must be mgedmin's Sep 10 12:40:01 yeah, I guess I'll try that too... let's hope they don't (like the scottish rail) ignore the country when sending tickets :P Sep 10 12:40:41 Mek: bahn.de also did e-tickets which is handy for me cos nss would only post to within .nl Sep 10 12:42:01 hmm... bahn.de doesn't have the cheapest tickets available... perhaps that is why I get errors on the .nl site :) Sep 10 12:45:08 GeneralAntilles you around got a question you might know Sep 10 12:45:17 Hmm? Sep 10 12:45:43 You get Karma from being active in Garage Projects right Sep 10 12:45:55 Right Sep 10 12:46:26 is there a delay because I've been releasing stuff like crasy last week or so and I'm still not getting karma the projects are not even showing up under my profile Sep 10 12:47:02 Should be 24 hours. Sep 10 12:47:12 It could simply not be updating correctly, though. Sep 10 12:47:15 X-Fade, ping? Sep 10 12:47:24 GeneralAntilles: yes, it isn't. Sep 10 12:47:36 andrewfblack, well there you go. ;) Sep 10 12:47:46 GeneralAntilles: But I'm working on the new cluster now ;) So.... Sep 10 12:47:47 X-Fade GeneralAntilles thanks Sep 10 12:48:09 andrewfblack, fast maemo.org or accurate karma. Sep 10 12:48:12 What do you think? :P Sep 10 12:48:32 GeneralAntililles I would take the Fast maemo.org lol Sep 10 12:48:39 Smart man! ;) Sep 10 12:49:08 x-fade is there a way to remove a project? I merge all my themes under one big project. Sep 10 12:49:22 andrewfblack: In the admin section of you project. Sep 10 12:49:31 andrewfblack: There is a delete button ;) Sep 10 12:49:45 ok I thought there was just couldn't find it Sep 10 12:50:38 aquatix: Hmmm? Sep 10 12:50:48 eh Sep 10 12:50:58 *grin* Sep 10 12:51:04 lool: sorry, it was a long `lol' Sep 10 12:51:11 * lool & Sep 10 12:51:14 didn't know there was an actual person here with that name :) Sep 10 12:51:42 Ha Sep 10 12:51:42 well, actually i did, but didn't realise just yet Sep 10 12:51:56 I want a channel filled with people with regular words for nicks. Sep 10 12:52:00 lool? laughing out of lungs? Sep 10 12:52:05 So then I can just tab-complete sentences. Sep 10 12:52:40 Fatal: i just stretched the sound of the word :) Sep 10 12:52:44 I did a poor dictonary tabcompletion once for irssi, threw it away since it took too long to tab to a nick :) Sep 10 12:52:52 laughing out out loud? Sep 10 12:52:52 GeneralAntilles: *grin* Sep 10 12:53:10 aquatix: contrary to popular belief, lol is not a word :) Sep 10 12:53:21 Fatal: myeah, i'm at that point that i use it as a word Sep 10 12:53:24 even in real life Sep 10 12:53:38 i'm quite aware of the acronym Sep 10 12:53:41 * GeneralAntilles docks aquatix points. Sep 10 12:53:45 :( Sep 10 12:53:51 Fatal: in dutch it is a word... Sep 10 12:53:51 your spouse have my sincere condolances Sep 10 12:53:57 * aquatix spends too much time on irc Sep 10 12:54:01 Mek: that too Sep 10 12:54:02 Mek: but dutch are not popular Sep 10 12:54:10 Fatal: no, but i am dutch Sep 10 12:54:23 not quite a coincidence Sep 10 12:55:12 Fatal: my spouse has some experience with me being weird ;) Sep 10 12:56:04 aquatix: :) Sep 10 12:57:02 Anyone heard from OSiM yet? Sep 10 12:57:26 Jaffa: Yes, but I am a speaker. Sep 10 13:06:11 X-Fade: hmm. Might stick something on -community or email Quim or on the wiki Sep 10 13:06:30 http://linuxuk.org/node/53#comment-76 interesting comment Sep 10 13:06:47 *very* interesting comment. *very very* interesting comment. Sep 10 13:07:35 hm :) Sep 10 13:07:46 Jaffa: Well, Peter should know ;) Sep 10 13:07:48 Ooooh Sep 10 13:08:22 * GeneralAntilles gets a little of the old pre-Macworld Keynote buildup giddiness. Sep 10 13:08:32 Indeed Sep 10 13:08:37 X-Fade: heh Sep 10 13:11:09 Jaffa, big announcement during Ari's keynote? Sep 10 13:11:23 AAAARGGGGHHH I'm going nuts from not joining the summit Sep 10 13:11:32 "...one more thing" :) Sep 10 13:11:38 Hehe Sep 10 13:12:06 Jaaksi is no Jobs though Sep 10 13:12:15 You've got to be there, that is sure. Sep 10 13:12:21 Somebody buy him a black turtleneck. Sep 10 13:12:28 So, expect to hear a lot about the power of open source Sep 10 13:12:33 But no new products =) Sep 10 13:13:02 bleh, I could do that Sep 10 13:13:11 * crashanddie keeps mumbling and crawls back into his cave Sep 10 13:13:25 Trolls live in caves. Sep 10 13:13:44 s/his/GeneralAntilles's/ Sep 10 13:14:07 Creeper! Sep 10 13:14:42 anyway, gotta go buy some tobacco, ttyl Sep 10 13:31:55 "you might get ready to face more question on the booth than you like after Ari's presentation..." Sep 10 13:32:02 yep interesting comment Sep 10 13:32:03 :) Sep 10 13:35:44 I made a little CP plugin, but I get "Illegal instruction" when I start it on my n810. Any hints what I might be doing wrong? Sep 10 13:36:24 Doing CP in a society that doesn't approve of it? Sep 10 13:47:09 Andy80: I updated your blog link on the planet. (Sorry, holiday delays) Sep 10 13:47:21 X-Fade, thanks :) Sep 10 13:49:23 damn it, stupid drupal config Sep 10 13:49:33 yay, managed to buy a reasonably priced train ticket to berlin after all... it arrives half an hour later than I had hoped, but I'll still get there during lunch on friday :) Sep 10 13:50:27 "more question on the booth than you like after Ari's presentation". Nokia decides to sell Windows Mobile tablets? ;> Sep 10 13:51:19 Stskeeps: heh Sep 10 13:51:30 hmm.. My issue seems to relate to sqlite3. Are there any known issues with it..? Sep 10 13:51:34 Maemo's moving to Garnet Sep 10 13:51:49 "So, I'd like to announce that Maemo 5 will be based on Android and that Java will be the primary development language on our tablet line" Sep 10 13:52:20 * GeneralAntilles can only imagine what'll happen to RST38h with that announcement. Sep 10 13:52:42 "So, now, I'd like to welcome on stage Steve Jobs to discuss the open sourcing of OS X Mobile and what this means for Maemo and iPhone application compatibility" Sep 10 13:52:59 riiight :) Sep 10 13:53:05 roflcopter Sep 10 13:53:10 No? Sep 10 13:53:21 ``Let's talk about merging open source symbian and maemo'' Sep 10 13:53:30 Oh god. Sep 10 13:53:36 That's almost believable Sep 10 13:53:40 "Maemo sux. U guys go home." Sep 10 13:54:00 Jaffa: indeed, might even be a slightly good idea Sep 10 13:54:09 Symbian? :shudder: Sep 10 13:54:31 * aquatix rather likes his sony ericsson m600i; nice companion for a n810 Sep 10 13:55:58 "N900 will be shipping in November with a quad-band cellular modem for $799 with a 2-year contract" Sep 10 13:56:35 syphilis Sep 10 13:57:02 GeneralAntilles: ouch Sep 10 13:57:11 N800 == plague blanket? Sep 10 14:01:17 Of course, what we really want is: "N900 will be shipping next month, but the initial device programme versions are here and we'll be handing them out at the Maemo Summit" Sep 10 14:02:08 * GeneralAntilles will die. Sep 10 14:02:13 haha, i don't think that will happen Sep 10 14:02:28 ah, my illegal instruction was due to the fact that I didn't link against sqlite and still used it.. Sep 10 14:02:47 andre___, well duuuuuh. :P Sep 10 14:03:03 Considering the silicon is still in no shape to ship. Sep 10 14:03:14 Jaffa: i ll prefere the last sentence Sep 10 14:03:24 s/prefere/prefer Sep 10 14:06:12 andre___: doesn't stop the dreaming Sep 10 14:06:29 What is it with people and bug reports? Sep 10 14:06:42 gnié ? Sep 10 14:06:53 not sure how Eero's A and B options have merged and been ignored completely in the answers Sep 10 14:06:59 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878 Sep 10 14:07:05 lol Sep 10 14:07:08 they don't normally announce hardware at the summit? Sep 10 14:07:11 It's the GPS bug, lardman. Sep 10 14:07:25 yeah Sep 10 14:07:29 summatusmentis, there is no "normally" anything at the summit. Sep 10 14:07:32 It's the first one. . . . Sep 10 14:07:35 oh it is? Sep 10 14:07:41 that'd explain it :) Sep 10 14:07:46 lardman, all of tz's bug reports suck. Sep 10 14:07:53 * summatusmentis == noob Sep 10 14:07:53 summatusmentis: they will announce hardware at the summit ... at least in one of the 3 first summit Sep 10 14:07:59 * GeneralAntilles lives in fear of triaging his next report. Sep 10 14:08:01 at akademy the nokians at least hinted they were going to announce something at this summit... Sep 10 14:08:43 Mek: they did? Sep 10 14:08:44 Mek: color on the Application Manager ! Sep 10 14:08:51 :) Sep 10 14:09:00 There've been lots of hints, but I do like to know them all :) Sep 10 14:09:02 GeneralAntilles: If we had some more details about the sat chipset, i.e. min snr values or preferably some debugging output, that bug could be split into two parts - agps failures and chipset failures Sep 10 14:09:19 GeneralAntilles: but you know that, I'm preaching to the converted :) Sep 10 14:09:24 perhaps they were just trying to convince people to come to the summit though :P Sep 10 14:09:45 I don't want amazing new hardware released, because I hate spending money Sep 10 14:09:59 the keynote will be at osim though :( Sep 10 14:10:10 * Khertan i would love a new hardware if he can have it at a developper price Sep 10 14:10:38 i hope i could see it Sep 10 14:10:53 as i arrived in the morning at berlin tegel Sep 10 14:11:04 i ll arrive Sep 10 14:11:05 :) Sep 10 14:11:38 * lardman would like some cool new hardware Sep 10 14:11:46 preferably with a DSP which has an 8bit char! Sep 10 14:11:52 lol Sep 10 14:12:14 i don't hope many things in fact ... i found that the n810 is really a good device Sep 10 14:12:33 lardman: I guess that's not going to happen :) Sep 10 14:12:51 lardman: 64bit is hot ;) Sep 10 14:12:51 i m expecting more from the software than the hardware Sep 10 14:12:56 kulve: the omap3xxx has the tms320c6xx which has an 8bit byte Sep 10 14:13:06 64bit is useless unless it can be used in groups Sep 10 14:13:12 Like 8x8 =) Sep 10 14:13:18 lardman: oh? Sep 10 14:13:25 yeah :) Sep 10 14:13:52 I have beagleboard at the office but I haven't touched the dsp though.. Sep 10 14:14:32 I had a quick skim of the DSP manual Sep 10 14:14:47 X-Fade, faster, too! ;) Sep 10 14:15:14 GeneralAntilles: Oh, sure 64 > 32, so why wouldn't it ;) Sep 10 14:15:18 Khertan: indeed, having some UI consistency will be cool Sep 10 14:15:24 different interface mind you - will use the Ti stuff probably, but then that might make debugging easier Sep 10 14:15:40 I'm excited to have fewer hardware hurdles. Sep 10 14:16:03 me too, far too much time spent arsing about trying to convert 8bit to 16bit code and debugging it Sep 10 14:16:04 Jaffa: yep .. but don't expected dev to use the default one if the ui is ugly Sep 10 14:16:08 Jaffa: 10:30 Hildon UI Vision, by Harri Kiljander (Director, User Experience - Maemo Software @ Nokia) Sep 10 14:16:23 Jaffa: Talk to him ;) Sep 10 14:16:26 Jaffa: like no image-button set to False in all the rc theme engine Sep 10 14:16:28 it's all going to be like canola! Sep 10 14:16:32 * msh ducks Sep 10 14:16:45 as long as it has opengl accel that's fine Sep 10 14:16:47 and i hope not something like canal ! Sep 10 14:16:51 canola ! Sep 10 14:17:03 msh, I will murder somebody. Sep 10 14:17:14 Laptop with 24h battery life: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7606686.stm Sep 10 14:17:15 hm. there's no published way to find out the current draw (or I guess battery life) on the 810 is there? Sep 10 14:17:28 * Khertan will help GeneralAntilles to hide the corpse Sep 10 14:17:36 apart from splicing charger cables I guess, though that might be skewed by the battery Sep 10 14:17:48 msh, it's available from retu, I believe. Sep 10 14:17:49 msh, eh? Sep 10 14:17:53 retu? Sep 10 14:18:09 msh, and you think the information in the task bar is what? Illuminati et Dei? Sep 10 14:18:11 The values and their correspondence to reality isn't published, though. Sep 10 14:18:36 crashanddie: I mean with better than 5 levels of granularity Sep 10 14:18:51 like, could I run an app for say 5 minutes and see if I've improved it's power consumption Sep 10 14:18:54 msh, there's battery-level from nitapps.com Sep 10 14:18:58 It's a start, anyway. Sep 10 14:19:06 GeneralAntilles: thanks, I'll take a look at that Sep 10 14:19:28 msh: but five minute isn't enough to test battery drain Sep 10 14:19:30 msh: powertop should be able to show it Sep 10 14:19:39 Not sure if there's a maemo package for it Sep 10 14:21:46 Mmm . . . first Qt game for Maemo: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=222671 Sep 10 14:36:24 * Jaffa mutters at ITT users http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=222666#post222666 Sep 10 14:36:36 (Moaning about voting) Sep 10 14:36:55 Lotta moaning late in the game. Sep 10 14:40:02 * Jaffa wonders if brontide is upset about his karma level http://maemo.org/profile/view/brontide/ Sep 10 14:40:07 Tim sorta annihilated the community definitions. <_< Sep 10 14:40:52 Account age, I believe. Sep 10 14:40:59 Discussion karma points are knackered Sep 10 14:41:13 Groups are also messed up (in terms of what's seen) Sep 10 14:41:41 and what happens to wiki generated points, assuming this is even included any more? Sep 10 14:42:08 Lamborghini Superleggera sitting on 4 tea-cups: http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/supertea/1003517440 Sep 10 14:42:45 interesting :), I'd prefer a 430 though Sep 10 14:43:01 it is easier to list parts of maemo.org that are NOT messed up right now Sep 10 14:43:17 wiki plugin isn't written yet Sep 10 14:43:28 lardman, you'd rather have a car made by Fiat? Sep 10 14:43:29 If somebody wants to write the plugin, the karma points will be there. Sep 10 14:43:45 F430 is too heavy. Sep 10 14:43:54 crashanddie: yes, both are Italian anyway, that's surely the major disadvantage ;) Sep 10 14:44:04 * RST38h would rather prefer a Toyota =) Sep 10 14:44:10 lol Sep 10 14:44:14 Lamborghini seems to be a bunch of AWD whores lately. Sep 10 14:44:24 I could go for a Countach, though Sep 10 14:44:25 GAN800: well they are now Audi aren't they Sep 10 14:44:33 What's wrong with his karma level? Sep 10 14:44:35 Ah, right, lardman, true enough. Sep 10 14:44:41 crashanddie: tea-cups with steel poles hidden inside? Sep 10 14:44:42 Ignore my comment about being Italian, brain in gear Sep 10 14:44:44 derf, he's angry about his account not being old enough. Sep 10 14:44:45 lardman, yeah, they are Sep 10 14:45:06 RST38h, that's what I drive. ;) Sep 10 14:45:08 GAN800: Oh, that makes more sense. Sep 10 14:45:21 bugatti is half german/half french Sep 10 14:45:21 Actually, my dream car would be a Lotus Elise of some sort. Sep 10 14:45:30 Bugatti is trash Sep 10 14:45:36 Fisker Karma ;) Sep 10 14:45:38 GAN800, I love the Elise... Not too powerful, but good looking and very light Sep 10 14:45:48 http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/vehicles/features/ Sep 10 14:45:51 GAN800, well, you have to admit, they know how to build a car Sep 10 14:46:02 Took a ride in my uncle's Elise Sport about a month ago. Sep 10 14:46:06 crashanddie, no they don't. Sep 10 14:46:11 They know how to build a space shuttle. Sep 10 14:46:13 Finnish and battery powered ;) Sep 10 14:46:14 GA: I eventually switched to Honda but mainly because RAV4 was such a useless toy Sep 10 14:46:18 GAN800, lol... Sep 10 14:46:20 The Veyron is no "car". Sep 10 14:46:48 197HP is quite a lot in a 2,100lbs vehicle. Sep 10 14:47:08 X-Fade, plug-in hybrid sports car? Sep 10 14:47:08 Ew. Sep 10 14:47:19 it drives on roads, it has four wheels, and runs on fuel... That's a car in my book Sep 10 14:47:35 X-Fade: hm, looks quite nice Sep 10 14:47:46 crashanddie, it's also got 16 cylinders, 4 turbo chargers and a cooling system more complicated than the human circulatory system. Sep 10 14:47:48 BTW, folks, where exactly do you drive your Ferraris and other sports cars? =) Sep 10 14:47:49 Space shuttle. Sep 10 14:47:59 RST38h, I take all of mine muddin' Sep 10 14:48:00 aquatix: Price isn't bad.... for a sports car. Sep 10 14:48:01 at the same time. Sep 10 14:48:02 RST38h: highway, duh Sep 10 14:48:10 and at which speed? ;) Sep 10 14:48:14 Anything that's got CVT isn't a sports car. Sep 10 14:48:20 RST38h, uh million. Sep 10 14:48:21 200% above alowed, duh Sep 10 14:48:34 stupid snakes on the roads... Sep 10 14:48:36 I'd still prefer a McLaren F1 over a Veyron, even if it is comparatively slow ;) Sep 10 14:48:38 GAN800, and as many radiators as your house, yeah, we know Sep 10 14:48:47 lardman, now there's a car. Sep 10 14:48:49 lardman, I'm in love with the McLaren Sep 10 14:48:57 Veyron is over-engineered trash. Sep 10 14:48:59 central position == awesome Sep 10 14:49:03 * aquatix wouldn't mind an Elise, or a Mazda mx5 Sep 10 14:49:09 180-200mph in ~7sec iirc Sep 10 14:49:13 GAN800, I just love it for the technical prowess Sep 10 14:49:13 that's quite quick Sep 10 14:49:23 The McLaren is a work of understated beauty. Sep 10 14:49:24 crashanddie: you don't have a girlfriend? or do you want to flee her real quick? Sep 10 14:49:33 crashanddie: I like the idea of active aero, should have that in F1 me thinks Sep 10 14:49:35 crashanddie, go love the space shuttle. Sep 10 14:49:43 the F1 is quite awesome though indeed Sep 10 14:49:49 vehicle porn. Sep 10 14:49:51 GAN800, lol... Sep 10 14:49:54 They Veyron is impressive for being completely over-engineered and way, way too expensive for what it is. Sep 10 14:50:04 GAN800, it costs £6M to produce Sep 10 14:50:09 and is sold £800k Sep 10 14:50:16 RST38h: there was a TV program in the UK about that a few weeks back - people who love their cars, literally! Sep 10 14:50:25 The Elise, that's an impressive car. Sep 10 14:50:41 Small, lightweight, and getting its kick out of a stupid little 1.8l Toyota engine. Sep 10 14:50:42 GAN800: For GiRlZZ ;) Sep 10 14:51:01 lardman: umgh... was it shown as part of adult programming? =) Sep 10 14:51:36 They need to take all tho limits off Formula 1. Sep 10 14:51:39 lardman, was it this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HvuY1nO27Go ? Sep 10 14:51:48 1600hp, enough downforce to push it through the pavement. Sep 10 14:51:51 I prefer Tesla Motors Sep 10 14:51:55 Ew Sep 10 14:52:02 Anything electric is not a sports car. Sep 10 14:52:12 You don't even get to shift a Tesla Sep 10 14:52:13 crashanddie: yeah, sounds about right, I didn't watch it Sep 10 14:52:20 Might as well drive a Prius. Sep 10 14:52:27 GAN800: nasty machine Sep 10 14:52:31 GAN800: have you ever try a tesla ? Sep 10 14:52:37 Khertan, don't have to. Sep 10 14:52:42 It's got no transmission. Sep 10 14:52:43 Garbage. Sep 10 14:52:48 ha ... Sep 10 14:52:49 Why is electric not a sports car? Sep 10 14:52:50 GAN800: lots of torque though Sep 10 14:52:54 "Woo, I put mah foot on the gas!!!!!" Sep 10 14:52:56 yep ... but it s powerfull Sep 10 14:52:57 That's not driving. Sep 10 14:53:03 GAN800: yep true Sep 10 14:53:08 Yeah, well, a truck with a rocket attached to the back is fast, too. Sep 10 14:53:12 GAN800: Feel the power of electrical engines... Sep 10 14:53:15 If its battery has enough amperage to accelerate you faster than a gas engine, how is it not a sports car? Sep 10 14:53:18 so i prefer this : http://www.az1customimport.com/spip.php?article61 Sep 10 14:53:20 X-Fade, thanks, but no thanks. Sep 10 14:53:31 RST38h, you're not driving something you're not shifting. Sep 10 14:53:35 ah oups wrong link Sep 10 14:53:36 Steering, brake and gas? Sep 10 14:53:39 I agree with RST38h, I wouldn't want one mind you, but it's still a sports car Sep 10 14:53:40 That's a commuter car. Sep 10 14:54:02 By the way, Mercedes doesn't make sports cars anymore. ;) Sep 10 14:54:17 never did ;) Sep 10 14:54:21 GA: Last time I "shifted", I was driving a Lada 2105 and it *definitely* felt shittier than an AT CRV Sep 10 14:54:22 Pfft Sep 10 14:54:32 BMW have fallen over with the M3 as well Sep 10 14:54:39 Yeah, the M3 is sad. Sep 10 14:54:48 Sounds nice though Sep 10 14:55:02 lardman, the 190 was certainly a sports car. Sep 10 14:55:06 but that's the wonder of the V8 Sep 10 14:55:11 GAN800: yeah, true Sep 10 14:55:19 straight-six is so much cooler. Sep 10 14:55:34 Khertan, ew, AWD. :P Sep 10 14:55:40 Aerial atom has a small displacement V8 iirc Sep 10 14:55:45 i like this one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoUHAIvb_kc&feature=related Sep 10 14:55:54 I could go for an E30 M3 Sep 10 14:55:56 skyline is real sport car ! Sep 10 14:56:09 GAN800: wrong hand drive for us, but nice Sep 10 14:56:28 specially the gtr34 Sep 10 14:56:29 Actually, the only AWD car I even remotely like is the Lancia Delta. Sep 10 14:56:48 GAN800: i ve test a rt10 Sep 10 14:56:51 nice car ! Sep 10 14:57:23 cars... Sep 10 14:57:31 :D Sep 10 14:57:55 TVR Tuscan Sep 10 14:58:04 TVR makes some nice stuff Sep 10 14:58:10 Sagaris looks really nice. Sep 10 14:58:15 falls to bits though, or leaks, or both Sep 10 14:58:22 It's British. . . . Sep 10 14:58:30 Russian ;) Sep 10 14:58:38 neither Sep 10 14:58:39 but yes, not German Sep 10 14:58:44 they're dead :( Sep 10 14:58:48 BMW E30 M3, Mercedes 190E, and Lancia Delta EvoIII Sep 10 14:58:50 Perfect garage. Sep 10 14:58:53 TVR is dead Sep 10 14:58:54 http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/Tuscan/20061007-160737-PS_Lg.jpg Sep 10 14:58:57 I thought another Russian had bought the rights? Sep 10 14:59:12 You're such a whore, lbt. . . . Sep 10 14:59:14 yes, but it went belly up recently Sep 10 14:59:14 all vapourware now Sep 10 14:59:18 I know Sep 10 14:59:23 but I like my cats Sep 10 14:59:44 All the great British marques are dying. Sep 10 14:59:46 http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/06-DB7-or-XKR_Lg.jpg Sep 10 14:59:46 So sad Sep 10 15:00:03 Jaguar has been dead for a while. Sep 10 15:00:18 'least they're not Ford anymore. Sep 10 15:00:21 well, the XF is helping them Sep 10 15:00:31 * GAN800 could go for an XJ220 Sep 10 15:01:02 GAN800: small capacity twin turbo :/ Sep 10 15:01:16 nah, big V8 + supercharger... Sep 10 15:01:26 3.5L V6 Sep 10 15:01:28 In the XJ220 Sep 10 15:01:47 far better with a nice BMW V12 in the F1 :) Sep 10 15:01:51 I don't care, lardman. It's a beautiful car. Sep 10 15:02:05 form and function! Sep 10 15:02:07 ;) Sep 10 15:02:09 aesthetics win every time... Sep 10 15:02:17 The V6 is almost cooler, though. Sep 10 15:02:25 Since it's not just another V12 supercar Sep 10 15:02:47 Mmmm http://www.supercars.net/Pics?v=y&s=c&id=877&p=1993_Jaguar_XJ2201.jpg Sep 10 15:03:13 I nearly got to drive one Sep 10 15:03:19 we went on a track day Sep 10 15:03:26 but it didn't turn up :( Sep 10 15:03:39 Too bad Sep 10 15:03:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5mRuJmddjw Sep 10 15:03:41 :) Sep 10 15:03:49 yup - v.sad to say the least! Sep 10 15:04:07 I'm just not impressed by Japanese sports cars. Sep 10 15:04:11 They have no elegance. Sep 10 15:04:28 I've done 180+mph indicated on a 1000cc bike Sep 10 15:04:35 Oh snap! http://www.supercars.net/Pics?v=y&s=c&id=877&p=1993_Jaguar_XJ2201.jpg Sep 10 15:04:36 A12 Sep 10 15:04:46 careful what you say Sep 10 15:04:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=222692&postcount=72 Sep 10 15:04:57 Stupid slow clipboard Sep 10 15:05:07 'twas a while back... Sep 10 15:05:18 GeneralAntilles: hum ... i like the line of the skyline gtr34 Sep 10 15:05:23 has anyone of you seen a V12 for real? Sep 10 15:05:35 I had a XJS V12 Sep 10 15:05:35 but yep ... i like too a nice viper :) Sep 10 15:05:37 how do yo umean? Sep 10 15:05:38 like, put the coin on the hood, and rev it up? And the coin doesn't top over? Sep 10 15:05:44 crashanddie: yep Sep 10 15:05:57 in a truck :) Sep 10 15:06:03 in a truck? LMAO Sep 10 15:06:04 but when you revved it up the tail went sideways... Sep 10 15:06:16 This is making me hungry for another round of the ALMS Sep 10 15:06:19 most tail-happy car ever Sep 10 15:06:28 I've even got a real camera to take pics with this year. . . . Sep 10 15:06:34 LMAO ? Sep 10 15:06:34 lbt, like any porsche Sep 10 15:06:59 never had a porsche - not our cup of tea Sep 10 15:07:06 and a diablo Sep 10 15:07:11 nha, I mean they're tail-happy Sep 10 15:07:12 but i haven't drive it ... Sep 10 15:07:17 only passager Sep 10 15:07:20 Hrm, OK, 959'd be the other 4WD car I like. Sep 10 15:07:23 cuz of the massive engine sitting on the back wheels Sep 10 15:07:29 never really driven one either Sep 10 15:07:39 and the fact you could drive from Paris to Dakar? Sep 10 15:07:45 It's amazing how they turned such a fucked up drive arrangement into a workable vehicle. Sep 10 15:08:49 i ve see a v12 also in a peugeot ... Sep 10 15:08:57 Sep 10 15:08:58 at the exposition parc ... Sep 10 15:09:06 a 907 Sep 10 15:09:10 :) Sep 10 15:09:11 the word "peugeot" in that sentence cancels out any coolness of your statement :P Sep 10 15:09:12 it s a prototype Sep 10 15:09:17 Diesel? Sep 10 15:09:20 :) Sep 10 15:09:31 You know what's something to behold? Sep 10 15:09:35 concept car ... more than a prototype Sep 10 15:09:35 The Audi R10 Sep 10 15:09:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_907 Sep 10 15:09:42 Quietest race car ever Sep 10 15:09:46 GeneralAntilles, I drove in an R8 Sep 10 15:09:56 The LMP1 R10 Sep 10 15:10:02 the R8 is nice Sep 10 15:10:07 no it's not Sep 10 15:10:09 still an Audi though Sep 10 15:10:11 IT'S FUCKING AWESOME Sep 10 15:10:14 it was presented at the 'Salon of automobile' Sep 10 15:10:17 :) Sep 10 15:10:29 The real R8, not the hideous roadcar Sep 10 15:10:36 Corvette C6.R versus Audi R10 Sep 10 15:10:45 Take the German any day Sep 10 15:10:47 Corvette warbles along like a big, wonderful American V8. Sep 10 15:10:51 The R10 just whispers by. Sep 10 15:10:55 American cars can't go round corners can they? ;) Sep 10 15:11:14 lardman, the C6.R consistently wipes the floor with the DBR9. ;) Sep 10 15:11:18 Though the Corvette is very quick Sep 10 15:11:24 yeah Sep 10 15:11:42 Difference between race cars and road cars presumably? Sep 10 15:11:43 But, no, there aren't many impressive American roadcars these days. Sep 10 15:11:47 Corvette and Viper Sep 10 15:11:57 I love me that Z06 Sep 10 15:12:07 What's the Dukes of Hazzard car? Sep 10 15:12:25 69 Charger Sep 10 15:12:33 I like the 66 Charger a lot more. Sep 10 15:12:48 There's a new one out isn't there, retro style? Sep 10 15:13:01 Nah, you're thinking of the Challenger. Sep 10 15:13:02 aerowarrior roadrunner Sep 10 15:13:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Challenger Sep 10 15:13:14 is gstreamer0.10-tools in some repo for diablo? Sep 10 15:13:17 /topic #maemo The channel for car talk only! Sep 10 15:13:27 Gimme a 1970 Vanishing Point-white Dodge Challenger R/T any day. Sep 10 15:14:00 X-Fade: give us a hint of new hw and we'll switch back to Nokia products ;) Sep 10 15:14:06 Hehe Sep 10 15:14:19 Yes, X-Fade, that is an ultimatum. :P Sep 10 15:14:27 lardman: That is all public knowledge already? Sep 10 15:15:06 One week Sep 10 15:15:11 I'm gonna die in the meantime. Sep 10 15:15:13 sounds better when it comes from one of you guys though Sep 10 15:15:20 * GeneralAntilles pulls a Cartman and freezes himself. Sep 10 15:15:35 "you guys" being the maemo.org team? :P Sep 10 15:16:19 Maemo.org|Nokia Sep 10 15:17:04 !!! Sep 10 15:17:05 GeneralAntilles: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. Sep 10 15:17:12 s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g Sep 10 15:18:25 I love my peugeot 306 :) Sep 10 15:18:34 this is just sad: http://www.xpl.se/pervers-rutchkana-f-r-barn-2.html Sep 10 15:18:57 * GeneralAntilles is still stuck on 3g. :( Sep 10 15:19:27 nobody is using gst-launch on diablo? Sep 10 15:19:30 GeneralAntilles, just the 3 seconds should give you an idea Sep 10 15:21:43 kulve: sorry, not had to use it since chinook Sep 10 15:21:44 lol http://www.torquenstein.net/NYPD/slides/NYPD_Squad_car.html# Sep 10 15:24:06 aha, lshal|grep battery Sep 10 15:24:10 s there a media player that has kinetic scrolling? Sep 10 15:24:13 is8 Sep 10 15:24:15 is** Sep 10 15:24:26 summatusmentis: I thought most did now Sep 10 15:24:38 on maemo, I should be more specific Sep 10 15:24:45 summatusmentis: canola, media centre, does kagu? Sep 10 15:25:18 I don't know, I'm only just starting to investigate multimedia on maemo Sep 10 15:25:18 s/media centre/mediabox Sep 10 15:25:50 thoughts on which one is best? :-P Sep 10 15:26:09 I was going to try mediabox Sep 10 15:27:32 and a2dp only works with something based on mplayer right? Sep 10 15:27:55 yes, though there's also a gstreamer sink if anyone wants to give it a go Sep 10 15:28:38 hmm, ok Sep 10 15:28:49 (might be picking up an n800 for media :-D) Sep 10 15:31:42 hola Sep 10 15:31:55 anyone know about the register keyword? Sep 10 15:32:26 and specifically how GCC converts that into register held data for 64bit types Sep 10 15:32:35 now I have the gst-launch, had to compile it myself.. Sep 10 15:42:03 does somebody want to "beta" test my ogg-support for diablo? Sep 10 15:48:24 lardman, if the compiler knows how to store a 64bit value inside a data register then i would assume it would do (like if compiling on an x64 Sep 10 15:48:38 hi again Sep 10 15:48:52 yeah, but on arm registers are 32bit Sep 10 15:48:53 now i ve implemented all things i want to mcalendar Sep 10 15:48:56 aren't they Sep 10 15:49:07 i ll try to do an gpe like view Sep 10 15:50:07 lardman, yer i know that, but register is just a hint anyway Sep 10 15:50:09 do you have an idea if i should try to do it with gtk button/grid ... or something drawing by hand Sep 10 15:50:20 im not sure if it will try to alloc a regpair Sep 10 15:50:23 lcuk2: yep, I was just wondering what GCC would do in that case Sep 10 15:50:34 not to worry anyway Sep 10 15:50:50 is this dsp or arm Sep 10 15:51:01 code for the arm being ported to dsp Sep 10 15:51:24 am off, back later Sep 10 15:51:44 I've always found the register keyword fairly useless. Sep 10 15:51:49 ahhh, i wouldnt worry, justignore all register declarations in the original code and then once you have it on and working proceed to optimize Sep 10 15:52:41 derf, its useless unless you are walking through your code and want to identify things you would personally expect in a register Sep 10 15:53:42 oh thanks for the png hint the other night :) ive got it in place now and can load proper images with alpha and have made the proper alpha channel blitting work :) Sep 10 15:53:55 Yer welcome? Sep 10 15:54:27 All I said was I was dumping PNGs... you went off and did your crazy thing all on your own. Sep 10 15:55:00 it wasnt crazy - i had half done the alpha stuff, but had to stop because i couldnt get an image loaded in with an alpha channel Sep 10 15:55:28 thanks to your tiny insignificant hint i found the flow again and continued where i left it to completion Sep 10 15:56:27 I also recently discovered fun things like, the PNG can have an alpha channel even if the color_mask returned by libpng does not have the PNG_COLOR_MASK_ALPHA bit set. Sep 10 15:57:09 bye Sep 10 15:57:51 I don't know how you're expected to decode that, unless you tell libpng to always add an alpha channel, or always strip it. Sep 10 15:57:54 what do you think of using cairo to draw a calendar ? Sep 10 16:01:15 derf, it depends how you are expanding other things, ive found it all a bit odd myself and have pretty much taken it to always have an alpha and just ignore sometimes Sep 10 16:16:29 Sep 10 16:16:53 Sep 10 16:20:09 hey johnx Sep 10 16:23:27 hey Sep 10 16:23:58 ah, there's the trick...I thought I closed xchat but I just misplaced the window Sep 10 16:24:28 what is going on here... ... dead pants or what Sep 10 16:24:49 dead pants? Sep 10 16:25:00 toten hosen... nothing going on Sep 10 16:25:08 tote actually Sep 10 16:25:16 ah, nope, nothing going on in my pants Sep 10 16:26:14 people are at work in the Anericas and most of the people in Asia should be asleep Sep 10 16:26:27 what time is it in EU Sep 10 16:26:38 18:30 central european time Sep 10 16:26:55 just eating dinner maybe? Sep 10 16:28:49 just fininshed Sep 10 16:28:59 gotta run ... Sep 10 16:29:07 :P Sep 10 16:30:58 toten hosen? Sep 10 16:31:28 is that a phrase in german or something? Sep 10 16:31:40 I would have to assume so Sep 10 16:31:56 I know "hosen" is pants in German Sep 10 16:34:06 yes i'm pretty sure it means dead pants, but it's the first time I realized it might mean something Sep 10 16:34:14 hold on, lets see if we can get some people back Sep 10 16:34:16 ... Sep 10 16:34:17 BACON Sep 10 16:34:21 BACON Sep 10 16:34:23 BACON Sep 10 16:34:26 Beer? Sep 10 16:34:29 that should do it Sep 10 16:34:35 wtf? Sep 10 16:34:39 nah, how long have you been here? Sep 10 16:34:48 Mikho: trust me Sep 10 16:34:53 they'll come running. Sep 10 16:35:05 if you say bacon? Sep 10 16:35:09 yep Sep 10 16:35:21 try it.. Sep 10 16:35:21 why don't you say beer in the first place? Sep 10 16:35:26 you have to yell Sep 10 16:35:28 or... free beer, even better Sep 10 16:35:32 doesn't work Sep 10 16:35:40 Mikho: "tote hose" [col.] means something like "nothing going on". "die toten hosen" is a german (pop-)punk band ;) Sep 10 16:35:40 it's odd but this is #maemo... Sep 10 16:35:42 oh, i'm sure it does Sep 10 16:36:07 i have plenty of friends who have "free beer" as hilight in irc Sep 10 16:36:20 jott, thanks for the explanation Sep 10 16:36:39 Mikho, yeah, but things are different here Sep 10 16:36:39 andrewfblack: liking the mint theme a lot Sep 10 16:37:21 I had a pretty rough day today at work, so i'm enjoying my beer to the fullest Sep 10 16:37:55 johnx: free sake? :) Sep 10 16:38:28 jott, gak. I prefer beer or chuhai or maybe umeshu+soda Sep 10 16:39:54 johnx: you don't want a C3200 do you? Sep 10 16:40:06 ugh, I can't stand chuhai Sep 10 16:40:16 j/win 2 Sep 10 16:40:20 umeshu is ok, but in small doses only Sep 10 16:40:23 oops Sep 10 16:40:46 summatusmentis, nah. I have a c1000 and I'm looking at google android devices and the pandora right now... Sep 10 16:41:09 Mikho, yeah, it's too sweet for me, thus I mix it with soda water Sep 10 16:41:57 johnx: bummer... I'm trying to justify the n800 I want Sep 10 16:42:40 I'd take a C3200 if it was free, but I'm pretty good for gadgets right now Sep 10 16:43:12 I just need better self control :) Sep 10 16:44:18 also, I could just pick up a c3200 locally if I wanted: http://flickr.com/photos/johnxx/452167911/ Sep 10 16:45:06 Mine's better :-P Sep 10 16:45:31 Hi again Sep 10 16:45:45 hi Khertan_n810 Sep 10 16:45:55 i found that showing a windows in pygtk take some time Sep 10 16:46:02 summatusmentis, well, if I change my mind, I'll think about it Sep 10 16:46:08 hi Khertan_n810 Sep 10 16:46:20 do you have idea to optimize that ? Sep 10 16:46:54 johnx: fair enough, I may just go the ebay route... we'll see Sep 10 16:47:35 who wants to joing my new church, the Church of the Lol Boson? Sep 10 16:47:41 summatusmentis, what's your main use for a handheld linux device? Sep 10 16:49:17 does it came from creating an hildon window and reparent thing in it ? Sep 10 16:49:47 johnx: pocket computing. Ideally everything my laptop can do. I'm using my n810 like that now. replacing my ipod with an n800, hopefully, son Sep 10 16:49:56 elekt, is there free koolaid? Sep 10 16:50:14 soon* Sep 10 16:50:25 but can i use hildon windon in a glade file . Sep 10 16:50:26 ? Sep 10 16:50:38 summatusmentis, well, the only thing I haven't gotten to behave nicely on my c1000 is web browsing Sep 10 16:50:54 summatusmentis, and yes, the N800 is quite a bit faster in most ways Sep 10 16:51:44 lbt, what you want? Sep 10 16:52:25 right... my C3200 seems really bulky, etc. and the interface is much nicer Sep 10 16:52:25 (i couldnt come sooner, i was driing home, but now i am back i am inexplicably drawn here by a big flashing beacon (of bacon) Sep 10 16:52:51 Khertan_n810: Where has your cairo clock applet gone? Sep 10 16:52:56 sounds like a gross bean Sep 10 16:53:01 I don't see it on your http://khertan.net/mwidgets.php Sep 10 16:53:06 page. Sep 10 16:53:06 beacon* Sep 10 16:53:15 konttori: i have never release cairo applet clock Sep 10 16:53:22 really? Sep 10 16:53:26 yep Sep 10 16:53:30 really Sep 10 16:53:32 Hmm... I wonder who did it then Sep 10 16:53:38 :) Sep 10 16:53:41 that was such a neat clock. Sep 10 16:53:47 do you know who did it? Sep 10 16:53:52 nope sorry Sep 10 16:53:54 summatusmentis, in terms of bulk the n800 is wider and only a little thinner...but web browsing is worlds better on it Sep 10 16:54:23 Ok. I'll dig it up and release it myself if needed. (as debian).. I think I have the code for it Sep 10 16:54:39 johnx: the zaurujohnx: the zaurus was fat... I love my n810 Sep 10 16:55:08 I just freaking don't want to push it to extras myself. Anyone else up for doing that if I make a deb out of it? Sep 10 16:55:12 I'm sorry, getting used to the osk Sep 10 16:55:17 just remember that the n800 is bigger than the n810... Sep 10 16:55:37 konttory if you the code source i can push it Sep 10 16:55:50 send me it at khertan@khertan.net Sep 10 16:55:57 I'll send you the deb. Sep 10 16:55:58 not buy much though? Sep 10 16:56:03 thanks. I'll ping you first. Sep 10 16:56:11 konttory: i prefer the source Sep 10 16:57:06 Ok. So, the python source. And .desktop file I suppose. Sep 10 16:57:10 Do you need anything else? Sep 10 16:57:45 Khertan_n810: I found that most of the overhead is in the huge imports done for gtk, not in the final drawing of the window... and you can use HildonWindow in glade, you just have to edit it after glade-3 spits it out Sep 10 16:58:06 brontide: really ? Sep 10 16:58:11 summatusmentis, http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/16551-OQO-02-vs-Nokia-N800-vs-Nokia-n810-vs-Iphone-1- Sep 10 16:58:25 as reparenting things eat many time too Sep 10 16:58:31 this will help a lot Sep 10 16:58:35 that should be accurate, except that the n800 has a bump on the back, so that pic is showing the fattest part Sep 10 16:59:38 johnx: thanks. I'll look at that later :) Sep 10 16:59:43 nice link Sep 10 16:59:51 no koolaid for you Sep 10 17:00:04 didn't realize the oqo was that small Sep 10 17:00:24 elekt, well, if I were you I'd verify those dimensions :) Sep 10 17:00:37 anyone can make a comparison up there...I just happened to find a saved one... Sep 10 17:00:53 Khertan_n810: Yep, just go in and change it in the glade. You may have to import hildon first, but it works Sep 10 17:00:58 Khertan_n810: I suppose you know the packaging of home screen applets, so I don't need to write any packaging info for you. Sep 10 17:01:07 bye for now all Sep 10 17:01:17 konttori: yep Sep 10 17:01:34 I didn't try with a menu though... I don't know what complication that will lead to Sep 10 17:01:42 brontide: indeed ... HildonWindow is understand by glade Sep 10 17:01:47 libglade Sep 10 17:02:42 Khertan_n810: message sent. Contains the python file for the clock and simple desktop entry Sep 10 17:03:00 Anyway, it's super cool clock. Sep 10 17:03:09 :) Sep 10 17:03:36 bye summatusmentis Sep 10 17:04:22 Anyway, I think that we need to raise a bit more awareness of the ease of developing python applets. Sep 10 17:04:49 i see they managed to open a portal to xen this afternoon Sep 10 17:05:15 this this was a triumph, im making a note here, huge success Sep 10 17:05:48 Khertan_n810: I'm so happy that I was able to ask indt guys to add the bindings to extras repo for the python hildon home. Sep 10 17:06:41 konttori it s not in extras ? Sep 10 17:07:06 It is after I asked them to include it few months ago. Sep 10 17:07:06 In may I think Sep 10 17:07:17 Anyway, I just haven't had any time to toy with it myself Sep 10 17:07:37 Ah. Just tested. Cairo clock works perfectly. Sep 10 17:08:04 I was in april trying to figure out a way to use pygame to render to home screen applets, but didn't find a way. Sep 10 17:08:35 Khertan_n810: did you actually see a speedup by changing the glade? Sep 10 17:08:35 So, I suppose the only way is to use the cairo if any fancy stuff is needed to get done. Sep 10 17:09:03 brontide: not really ... maybe 0.5s Sep 10 17:09:45 Yeah, that was my understanding as well. The nice thing about the reparenting is the shared codebase Sep 10 17:10:18 brontide: but as mcalendar is designed for maemo Sep 10 17:10:28 Khertan_n810: will you be able to package that clock today? (no pressure, just asking) Sep 10 17:10:44 konttori: today now ... but tomorrow Sep 10 17:10:47 Biggest improvement I've seen with DialCentral was spinning off threads as early as possible and getting back to gtk.main loop Sep 10 17:10:50 ok. cool. thanks! Sep 10 17:11:17 s/now/no Sep 10 17:11:44 brontide: but i don t like threading gtk stuff Sep 10 17:11:53 random result Sep 10 17:12:05 It's absolutly required to get good interactivity Sep 10 17:12:23 esp when doing network stuff Sep 10 17:12:29 depends on what you do Sep 10 17:12:44 yep network usage need to be threaded Sep 10 17:12:59 i thread the sync in mcalendar Sep 10 17:13:20 I beat my head on the table ( on and off ) for weeks before figuring out gtk threading under maemo Sep 10 17:13:38 It's actually not that bad Sep 10 17:13:40 hehe :) Sep 10 17:14:05 i ve herited my own class from python Thread Sep 10 17:14:10 do you actually do gtk stuff in your threads Sep 10 17:14:27 Khertan_n810: is your calendar application translatable to other languages? Sep 10 17:14:27 brontide: no ! too dangerous Sep 10 17:14:37 zap: no yet Sep 10 17:14:41 Workslike a charm once you know the magic incantation Sep 10 17:14:56 Khertan_n810: it doesn't use gettext? A guy asks me to translate it to Russian :) Sep 10 17:15:07 that's what was killing me, dialog window from a thread... but I've made it work :-) Sep 10 17:15:10 i use gobject?add_idle :) Sep 10 17:15:35 zap: it use mainly a glade file Sep 10 17:15:39 Khertan_n810: gobject.add_idle is not guarnteed to have the gtk lock Sep 10 17:15:43 so this could be done easily Sep 10 17:15:49 cool Sep 10 17:15:55 brontide: yep Sep 10 17:15:57 will wait for it :) Sep 10 17:16:21 but there some text at random place in the vode Sep 10 17:16:29 use gettext then :) Sep 10 17:16:40 jjust need to see how to do translatable string in python Sep 10 17:16:49 _("the string") Sep 10 17:17:02 is enought if i remember Sep 10 17:17:02 I wrote an application which uses gettext and glade files, and is translatable Sep 10 17:17:52 Khertan_n810: here: http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/tinyavi/trunk/#_trunk_ Sep 10 17:18:01 Khertan_n810: I've basically abandond idle_add and gone straight to threads that lock gtk only for drawing. it's much more responsive after doing that. Sep 10 17:18:52 zap: do you come at the summit ? Sep 10 17:19:03 brontide: only one thread manage ui Sep 10 17:19:24 any thread can, if you lock gtk before doing it. Sep 10 17:19:29 so i communicate only notification Sep 10 17:19:56 Khertan_n810: no Sep 10 17:20:05 brontide: yep but not needed on something like mcalendar :) Sep 10 17:20:30 zap: so i ll contact you after the summit to translate it :) Sep 10 17:20:41 You might be surprised where it can help. Sep 10 17:20:52 Khertan_n810: okay, will wait :) Sep 10 17:20:57 I may have to check out source to mcalendar and see ;-) Sep 10 17:20:58 brontide: maybe ... Sep 10 17:21:06 brontide: do you have example ? Sep 10 17:21:27 * Khertan_n810 is an old palmos dev ... so mono threaded app Sep 10 17:22:19 install dialcentral and check out /usr/lib/dialcentral/gc_dialer.py ... Dialer class ( main UI ) half the init code runs in a thread . Sep 10 17:22:46 zap: color is horrible but ... http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png Sep 10 17:23:08 brontide: the init code ... could be interesting Sep 10 17:23:30 So I do all the basic UI setup and draw the window.. and then do all the nitty gritty init in a thread... the thread later check for a login and brings up a dialog window from the thread if necessary to login Sep 10 17:24:15 I even do osso and conic stuff threaded after the main window is already shown Sep 10 17:28:03 i ll look ... Sep 10 17:28:27 just need to download it :) Sep 10 17:28:34 it's in extras Sep 10 17:29:06 Oh and it's packaged with py2deb... with icon support... ( need to send you the diff ) Sep 10 17:29:23 do you have an idea on how i can render a calendar in a gpe/iphone/dates/ithing month view and week view style Sep 10 17:29:41 brontide: ;) i ven t thencourage to do it :) Sep 10 17:30:07 ? do you have a picture? Sep 10 17:30:20 of ? Sep 10 17:30:22 gpe ? Sep 10 17:30:25 khertan, dynamically - whenever ive done month/week views for things i build them up myself Sep 10 17:30:26 the view Sep 10 17:30:37 what i want ? Sep 10 17:30:56 like a screenshot from google/iphone/whatever? Sep 10 17:31:37 lcuk2> yep but i m looking for the best way to do ikt Sep 10 17:31:48 brontide: i m looking for one Sep 10 17:32:04 yes, it has to be dynamic - a grid of 6 columns, 5 rows (weekends use half each) Sep 10 17:32:23 a function to render a day into a cell Sep 10 17:32:23 Khertan_n810: take a look at code here: http://www.daniweb.com/code/snippet741.html Sep 10 17:32:40 I think that should serve as the fuctional basis of what you want to do. Sep 10 17:32:44 let user scroll and render as required? Sep 10 17:33:35 http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/photos/gpe_cal.png Sep 10 17:34:55 kontorri: it s use a wxWidget Sep 10 17:35:03 not available for maemol Sep 10 17:35:06 yeah, but the base code is still applicable Sep 10 17:35:18 you can just convert the drawing to work differently Sep 10 17:36:36 kontorri: it s use a wxWidget Sep 10 17:36:40 i mean ... should i do it with cairo ? Sep 10 17:37:29 Khertan_n810: link 404 Sep 10 17:37:42 Khertan_n810: I emailed you the py2deb.py with icon support Sep 10 17:37:56 :) Sep 10 17:37:57 thx Sep 10 17:37:58 do people use their n800 for media? what's the battery life like listening to music constantly? Sep 10 17:38:10 http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/photos/gpe_cal.png&imgrefurl=http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/17/nokia-770-review/&h=240&w=400&sz=50&hl=fr&start=2&sig2=s4XuCbr2B2VRUMjhznkY-A&usg=__pyJvm_XtvZlUcBnXujFm3tS57JI=&tbnid=ub68yG0IdVgcJM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=124&ei=mQTISNvbCIT00AXYzpAp&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgpe%2Bcalendar%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Dfr Sep 10 17:38:10 It's all of about 12 lines ( including comments ) Sep 10 17:38:28 summatusmentis: about 4-5 hours, I'd guess Sep 10 17:38:31 brontide: 11 for comments ? Sep 10 17:38:38 the device gets warm when I'm listening to music Sep 10 17:38:52 it doesn't get warm when I'm reading ebooks, and I can read e-books for ~7 hours Sep 10 17:39:16 mgedmin: :( that's horrible battery life Sep 10 17:39:23 for a media player Sep 10 17:39:26 right Sep 10 17:39:27 do you use ogg ? Sep 10 17:39:31 mgedmin, its the RIAA scanning your machine for illegal music Sep 10 17:39:32 no, mp3 Sep 10 17:39:39 the weight is also quite horrible for a media player Sep 10 17:39:48 it depends on the media player I would think Sep 10 17:39:52 Khertan_n810: Does mcalendar have multiple calendar support yet? Sep 10 17:39:55 so get an iPod if all you want to do is listen to music ;) Sep 10 17:39:59 I thought people were doing pretty good with the nokia media player Sep 10 17:40:14 I heard that the battery is sufficient to watch two transcoded DVDs Sep 10 17:40:17 that would be around 4 hours Sep 10 17:40:17 mgedmin: I'm wanting to not have to carry three devices anymore Sep 10 17:40:24 nokia media player does so much better for music than canola ( for me ) Sep 10 17:40:26 brontide: 0.4.0 no, 0.4.1 yes ... but available the 18/09 Sep 10 17:41:37 * Khertan_n810 doubt : use gtk.Button or use cairo to draw a calendar Sep 10 17:41:46 what device? N800? Sep 10 17:42:15 mgedmin: I didn't even think about battery life... maybe I shouldn't purchase the n800 (have an 810) Sep 10 17:42:35 if you have an 810, why do you want an 800? Sep 10 17:42:44 in practice the battery is sufficient to last the whole day, usually Sep 10 17:42:48 unless you keep the GPS on Sep 10 17:42:56 in which case it dies after ~3/4 hours Sep 10 17:42:58 storage, there aren't high cap micro sd cards yet Sep 10 17:43:11 I've seen 8 gig microSD cards Sep 10 17:43:27 like I said, looking to replace my iPod Sep 10 17:43:29 microSD -> miniSD adapters may be somewhat rare Sep 10 17:43:36 * RST38h uses 8GB card Sep 10 17:43:37 I've got an adaptor Sep 10 17:43:49 n810 batterry isn t better than the n800 one ? Sep 10 17:43:50 To get an adapter, buy 1GB SanDisk MicroSD Sep 10 17:43:51 pick one up with any random card you see with one and then use it for a larger capacity one Sep 10 17:43:53 the nit is not a great media player Sep 10 17:43:55 comes with adapter, costs $7 Sep 10 17:44:02 but it is a usable one Sep 10 17:44:34 Khertan_n810: not by enough Sep 10 17:44:35 it boils down to carrying two devices (phone + nit) versus three (phone + nit + ipod) Sep 10 17:44:37 Khertan_n810: maybe after the summit I can sit down and mock up some stuff for mcalendar Sep 10 17:45:07 I must have music when I'm walking around town; it's too boring otherwise Sep 10 17:45:14 that's, say, 30 minutes per day Sep 10 17:45:16 nit is sufficient Sep 10 17:45:27 brontide: imagine in with a lite color instead of red : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot31.png Sep 10 17:45:51 hmm, just wasted £15 on satellite cable which is no better than what I have atm :( Sep 10 17:45:54 3h30 by day while using bluetooth Sep 10 17:45:58 and coding Sep 10 17:46:00 Nice... working around the horrible gtk widget set nicely Sep 10 17:46:23 mgedmin: that's just it, I don't wanna carry 3 devices, and I travel a lot, so I need more than 4 hours of music listening Sep 10 17:47:05 ping ? Sep 10 17:47:30 lardman, i dont blame it for having a bad signal - the cable must be what 30,000 miles to the satellite? Sep 10 17:47:38 pong Sep 10 17:48:28 :) Sep 10 17:48:40 3g isn t really stable outside city Sep 10 17:49:27 brontide: omweather see me that gtk is horrible but we can do with it Sep 10 17:49:27 Khertan_n810: What about right aligning the date into the first appointment on that day... seems like a better use of space Sep 10 17:49:58 the clear green line with date ? Sep 10 17:50:21 because it s a gtk.treeview with 2columns Sep 10 17:50:33 and i haven t foun how to merge this Sep 10 17:50:43 foun/found Sep 10 17:51:06 and i don t want to expand size of the first column Sep 10 17:51:12 Khertan_n810: but nothing's stopping you from including the date as pango formatting on that line right aligned, maybe a hint smaller Sep 10 17:51:53 ? Sep 10 17:52:23 ah i ve undertood left Sep 10 17:52:31 understood Sep 10 17:52:34 yep it can be done at right Sep 10 17:52:56 if i found how to do it in a gtk textrenderercell Sep 10 17:52:58 I woudn't add a third column either, too much waster width that way Sep 10 17:53:49 Maybe even include the Day there so on the left it's just time Sep 10 17:54:25 18:00 [OK]Appeler Jeu 04.09.2008 Sep 10 17:54:38 21:00 [OK]... ( but no date here ) Sep 10 17:55:02 Khertan_n810: So you're just looking for pango formatting docs? Sep 10 17:55:48 i ve do it with the day at left with time Sep 10 17:55:54 but this doesn t help as it won t help to see if event is the same day or not Sep 10 17:56:01 i found this more confusing Sep 10 17:56:09 and more clear to add a row Sep 10 17:57:09 but is a point of view Sep 10 17:57:35 adding a pref could help :) Sep 10 17:58:00 anyone board want install a theme for me and take a few screenshots? I'm at work and I was playing with an idea but can't see how its going to look Sep 10 17:58:10 bored I mean Sep 10 17:59:58 sorry can t download it now Sep 10 18:00:15 RST38h, crashanddie: No idea where the General is, but I dug this up, some McLaren F1 stats :): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/IMGP1000.JPG Sep 10 18:02:17 brontide: anyway you are the first that found day separator line a waste of space Sep 10 18:03:08 * lardman_ is quite startled at 150-170mph in 3.5s Sep 10 18:03:26 Khertan_n810: It's not bad, just that I think it can be better... that's all Sep 10 18:04:00 do you prefer : http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot28.png ? Sep 10 18:04:16 don t care of colors :) Sep 10 18:04:30 this was some tests Sep 10 18:04:51 using google calendar color Sep 10 18:05:16 rahhh microb is again fucked Sep 10 18:06:44 microb eats a lot of memory Sep 10 18:07:45 and freeze many time Sep 10 18:07:46 web browsers do in general... Sep 10 18:07:52 updated .... Sep 10 18:08:11 johnx: yep like other browser Sep 10 18:08:17 johnx: I suppose, this one just seems bad Sep 10 18:08:38 summatusmentis, it's not great, but it's actually pretty good compared to others Sep 10 18:09:04 Khertan_n810: I don't care for the two date format... maybe "Time" "event (duration) [optional date if it's the first even on that date]" Sep 10 18:09:12 er two time format Sep 10 18:09:21 johnx: hmm... I guess that's fair Sep 10 18:09:35 or Time ( duration ) eg 10:57 (1h) Sep 10 18:09:40 is debian finger usabke? Sep 10 18:10:06 summatusmentis, some parts Sep 10 18:10:09 hum ... Sep 10 18:10:18 * johnx hums Sep 10 18:10:30 johnx: what does that mean? Sep 10 18:10:30 you can remove the starttime or endtime Sep 10 18:10:35 it s a parameter Sep 10 18:10:50 but you can t yet display duration Sep 10 18:11:01 summatusmentis, it means that you get by easily in some apps, but not all Sep 10 18:11:09 we're talking about a distro with 10,000 packages Sep 10 18:11:40 sure... I thought maybe there were interface things that made it uniform Sep 10 18:11:46 brontide: do you know how to remove border/space between two gtk treeview columns Sep 10 18:11:47 ? Sep 10 18:11:58 summatusmentis, nope. most of debian is unchanged Sep 10 18:12:04 Not off the top of my head Sep 10 18:12:17 johnx: oh... hmm Sep 10 18:12:26 you can install a gtk theme to change it a little bit, but the whole point of debian is to have access to the same software on different systems Sep 10 18:12:41 so ... i must go on Sep 10 18:12:43 byhe Sep 10 18:12:45 bye Sep 10 18:12:50 gtk stuff is stilla bit of voo-doo for me Sep 10 18:13:02 for me too :) Sep 10 18:13:16 specially with nokia mod Sep 10 18:13:26 johnx: that makes sense. So I suppose it's usable if I'm ok using a stylus Sep 10 18:13:35 (like not displaying alternate color in treeview) Sep 10 18:13:45 or header hidden by default Sep 10 18:13:50 summatusmentis, I use it with my thumbs...but I've gotten pretty good at that sort of thing Sep 10 18:14:05 or space around the content of a hildon window Sep 10 18:14:40 or unactivated stock image on button Sep 10 18:14:43 my thumbs are really wide... do you grow your fingernails to a point? Sep 10 18:14:52 bye Sep 10 18:14:59 hahaha...nope Sep 10 18:15:11 I usually keep them pretty short Sep 10 18:15:34 for the most part I click with the pad of my thumbs and scroll with the edge of my fingernail Sep 10 18:16:31 you click with the pad of your thumb? dang Sep 10 18:17:04 you just have to trust the touch screen to figure it out Sep 10 18:17:22 yeah... :) Sep 10 18:17:39 might play with that at some point Sep 10 18:17:50 is GPE Calendar the best organizer? Sep 10 18:17:52 btw, using debian with my thumbs right now :) Sep 10 18:18:14 Hey someone want to be nice and install this theme http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/Minimal.deb then email me a screeenshot or two? I want to see if I want to keep working on this but cna't install it right now Sep 10 18:18:25 elekt, employ a nubile PA, you wont regret it, GPE pails in comparison Sep 10 18:18:27 * johnx has no stylus for his n800 anyways... Sep 10 18:18:37 look, at me, I'm johnx, I have ridiculously small thumbs :) Sep 10 18:18:45 ^ haha Sep 10 18:18:54 summatusmentis, he is simply used to where the contact point is Sep 10 18:19:12 summatusmentis, ahahaha...totally not. :P I'm like 190cm tall and have stubby fingers :P Sep 10 18:19:15 about the only think I can't click with my thumbs are small links Sep 10 18:19:25 nubile PA? Sep 10 18:19:26 its not that difficult to use touchscreen reasonably precisely with pads - see iphone for example Sep 10 18:19:47 andrewfblack, those are a pain. that's why I increase font size in the browser Sep 10 18:19:57 I suppose so... I need the big scroll bafs and usercontent.css to use the browser with my thumbs Sep 10 18:20:01 bars* Sep 10 18:20:24 elekt personal assistant :) Sep 10 18:20:32 andrewfblack: the mint theme is great, needs minor tweaks - the text on the menus is not visible unless selected, nice job tho Sep 10 18:20:36 ah, i thought so Sep 10 18:22:02 elekt thanks I'm releasing an update this weekend to all my themes, I noticed the menu thing if you see anymore problems can you post a bug or in the forums on my project? Sep 10 18:22:11 will do Sep 10 18:22:37 it's hard to say what qualifies as bug though Sep 10 18:22:40 but i'll try Sep 10 18:22:45 I'm playing with the idea of a real minimal theme with almost no UI Sep 10 18:23:02 i'm using mint right now Sep 10 18:23:07 well in a theme anything that doesn't look right you can even post things you think should be added or changed Sep 10 18:23:20 I wish maemo were more directly compatible with debiam's feeds Sep 10 18:23:33 I released the wrong background in the linux mint deb also got to change that Sep 10 18:23:50 summatusmentis: that would slow development though Sep 10 18:24:06 summatusmentis: or rather slow adoption Sep 10 18:24:13 lardman, hmm? Sep 10 18:24:34 lardman: perhaps, but then we wouldn't have to wait forever for hildonized office Sep 10 18:24:45 debian was always rather conservative in pushing new package versions I thought Sep 10 18:24:54 s/office/office software/ Sep 10 18:24:54 summatusmentis meant: lardman: perhaps, but then we wouldn't have to wait forever for hildonized office software Sep 10 18:25:05 summatusmentis: well you can run it without Hildonisation of course Sep 10 18:25:20 lardman, heh...os2008 is way behind debian's versions Sep 10 18:25:25 sure bu then it's not pretty :) Sep 10 18:25:36 johnx: things have probably changed, so just ignore me :) Sep 10 18:25:43 well, *all* of debian isn't pretty Sep 10 18:26:11 someone ought to clone maemo with current debian ;> Sep 10 18:26:12 lardman, it's true compared to other distros...but maemo out-debians debian in terms of old package versions Sep 10 18:26:21 :) Sep 10 18:26:32 Stskeeps, well that was my original goal Sep 10 18:26:33 we talking about stable here though? Sep 10 18:26:46 lardman, not necessarily Sep 10 18:26:59 johnx: the main problem is the bloody maemo gtk extensions Sep 10 18:27:17 Stskeeps, hildon? Sep 10 18:27:18 they should be shot for including them straight in the gtk library instead of in a seperate one Sep 10 18:27:23 johnx: it would be nice to be in the situation where developers could have an unstable repo to pull and test from Sep 10 18:27:32 johnx: something for the council, etc. Sep 10 18:27:37 Stskeeps, they're in debian now in a fairly sane way Sep 10 18:27:41 i have a feeling nokia dont care about gtk any more Sep 10 18:27:47 they have a new girlfriend Sep 10 18:27:57 johnx: yeah, except hildon_gtk_im_hide and stuff isnt in the libs, prolly renamed Sep 10 18:27:58 :P Sep 10 18:28:05 so it's not ABI compatible Sep 10 18:28:07 lcuk2: but what about Symbian? Sep 10 18:28:32 I hope someone takes notes on osim Sep 10 18:28:33 Stskeeps, meh...ABI compatible is overrated Sep 10 18:28:34 lcuk2, they would be crazy to drop it cold Sep 10 18:28:46 johnx: abi compatible would make drag-and-drop copying easier ;) Sep 10 18:28:51 they have to bring symbian along - its like camilla Sep 10 18:28:58 she brings the money Sep 10 18:29:16 Symbian was always rather impressive in terms of power/processor efficiency Sep 10 18:29:33 elekt do you like the top bar going all the way across on Linux Mint theme or should it stop before Icons I can't decided which way I like it Sep 10 18:29:40 It's actually designed for battery powered devices Sep 10 18:30:19 Stskeeps, but the distributions have different fs layouts so you'd have to repackage anyways Sep 10 18:30:21 might as well rebuild from source Sep 10 18:30:47 also, for other ARM systems it's not really a huge win at all...and I have an interest in things besides the n8x0, you know? Sep 10 18:31:05 andrewfblack i think it coul stop before the icons, but it doesn't bother me - also the bar itself could be a little darker for increased contrast on low light settings Sep 10 18:31:57 is it possible to customize the messaging sounds of telepathy? Sep 10 18:32:07 * lcuk2 is confused by the confused thread in ML about what community means Sep 10 18:32:20 johnx: it was fun to see GeneralAntilles booting Deblet on a beagle board.. and that it worked, heh Sep 10 18:32:28 elekt I was thinking of darkening the bar, the only reason I ran it the full way was I saw it on the old OSX theme for the 770s on my Windows theme I stop before I cons Sep 10 18:32:32 the incoming message for gtalk is almost un-noticable Sep 10 18:33:05 liri - if thers no real customisation you could just replace the mp3s - i wouldnt expect them to be embedded Sep 10 18:34:11 andrewfblack, it took a second to get used to it, but i can't decide whether i'd like it better cut off or not - it kinda gives more continuity to the open app this way i think Sep 10 18:34:34 maybe add a shadow under the top icon if possible? Sep 10 18:35:05 i don't know if that's possible, but then that would look like the bar is behind the icon, and more part of the current open app Sep 10 18:37:06 lcuk2: hmm ok Sep 10 18:37:15 lcuk2: that's good enough I guess Sep 10 18:37:20 but look for customisation first Sep 10 18:37:30 lcuk2: I did but couldn't find anything Sep 10 18:38:07 elekt yeah I can do that Sep 10 18:38:25 awesome Sep 10 18:38:39 really liking it, it's fairly minimalist Sep 10 18:38:43 and i love the font size Sep 10 18:39:04 elekt still trying to decided what to do for the menu arrows and + - can't find anything that really fits Sep 10 18:39:15 thanks Sep 10 18:39:59 don't try and use Media Player with it I forgot to include the buttoms for it lo Sep 10 18:40:28 hehe Sep 10 18:41:12 I'm going to start releasing a Canola Theme for each of my themes also not going to get real fancy with the icons I don't think more like some kinda of a color variation to match Sep 10 18:43:17 do you have access to the volume/brightness sliders? Sep 10 18:44:51 yeah Sep 10 18:45:47 cool, those are the default look right now Sep 10 18:46:01 let me log in and i'll post this stuff Sep 10 18:46:04 Volume/Brightness Sliders and the + - icons that go with them are my next change I'm looking through some Linux mint SS trying to find something good Sep 10 18:48:03 oh that's fancy, ITT actually allows you to backup your PMs Sep 10 19:01:17 andrewfblack: can the icons be changed? just asking cause i was looking at the plankton theme template out of curiosity and i see a icon-template.png Sep 10 19:02:15 yeah the icons are changed in the Linux Mint Theme you just need to reboot system to see them Sep 10 19:02:27 ah, doing it now Sep 10 19:02:44 Should have Firefox Internet Icon, Thunderbird Contacts, and a Computer Icon from Menu Sep 10 19:03:08 is this a theme for the tablet? Sep 10 19:03:19 yeah Sep 10 19:03:27 schweet ... wheres it at? Sep 10 19:04:12 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers/ for downloads and http://themehackers.maemobox.org for news and screenshots Sep 10 19:05:04 can't find a image of a Linux Mint Slider anywere Sep 10 19:07:08 the icons are nic, i do feel a little guilty about the firefox icon though Sep 10 19:07:16 better then IE i guess Sep 10 19:07:24 nice = nice Sep 10 19:07:29 nic=nice Sep 10 19:09:15 the top bar now is doing the same thing to the statusbar icons as it does to unselected menu text Sep 10 19:09:22 only after reboot Sep 10 19:09:46 i hope an update is coming soon :D Sep 10 19:10:02 I should have it done tomorrow or friday Sep 10 19:10:10 cool Sep 10 19:10:20 I had a few colors set wrong Sep 10 19:10:35 I can always go with Opera icons Sep 10 19:10:46 or Chrome lol Sep 10 19:11:21 hehe no that's cool, an icon is supposed to be iconic, ffx = internets for me Sep 10 19:11:48 hm. did anyone ever reverse engineer fb-chaimage? Sep 10 19:26:21 http://kde.garage.maemo.org/ <-- lots of screenshots :) Sep 10 19:28:05 Stskeeps, is that the main loading progress thingy? Sep 10 19:28:09 for normal booting Sep 10 19:30:23 re Sep 10 19:31:59 elekt I think its pertty much done now just got to test it tonight I might have 0.2 out tomorrow Sep 10 19:32:17 good news :) Sep 10 19:33:19 lcuk2: yeah, or just general image loading for the fb Sep 10 19:33:34 try this: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-af-utils/src/fb-progress.c Sep 10 19:35:57 ta! Sep 10 19:36:05 hey you guys seen those incar Internet systems befre? Sep 10 19:36:47 My wife is getting me on next month http://www.autonetmobile.com/ Sep 10 19:38:09 * brontide is running python on over 600 CPU's at once Sep 10 19:38:22 thats one big ass snake Sep 10 19:38:40 Oops 800+ Sep 10 19:38:45 :-) Sep 10 19:38:59 doing a little benchmarking Sep 10 19:39:13 a snake that big can do whatever it wants Sep 10 19:39:39 but i cant shake the feeling that you could get the same performance with well coded c on a lot less machines ;) Sep 10 19:39:49 * brontide wonders if the user room people have noticed the fans at this point Sep 10 19:39:59 lcuk2: like 1 :) Sep 10 19:40:22 lol moontiger, i wasnt gonna be so cruel, but yer - and its an omap and its in powersave mode ;) Sep 10 19:40:26 most of the script is numpy ( large, complicated c calls ) Sep 10 19:40:40 hehe then my fone could prolly do better ;) Sep 10 19:40:49 with a flat battery Sep 10 19:41:02 in power saver mode Sep 10 19:42:39 with over 1600 CPU slots availible I need to throw something in the queue every once and a while to make sure everything is working Sep 10 19:43:21 as much as i like to rip the piss, im really impressed by python and the amount of libraries available - it is the vbscript or arexx glue on this machine and it deserves praise Sep 10 19:44:05 it sucks as a language compared to ruby, but the libraries make the platform Sep 10 19:44:25 * lcuk2 is tempted to offer a small libase interface for it :) Sep 10 19:46:10 * mikem23 rather likes python Sep 10 19:47:24 It grow on you over time... like a fungus. Sep 10 19:50:59 i used it to write mgcal so i love it ... just not for performance stuff :) Sep 10 19:51:01 Mek: what is the performance of plasma home screen? Sep 10 19:51:27 konttori: a bit slow, but not unusable slow Sep 10 19:51:47 Mek: is that 4.1? Sep 10 19:52:07 konttori: no, it is kde trunk (so what will become 4.2) Sep 10 19:52:34 is there an installation setup available for that version for maemo? Sep 10 19:53:03 As I must admit that I'm totally sold by what I'm seeing! Sep 10 19:53:33 konttori: see http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3624 (although I think at least the kdebase-workspace packages are currently in a non-installable state) Sep 10 19:54:03 Oh, that has the kdebase as well. Cool. Sep 10 19:54:44 do i still have time to vote? :) Sep 10 19:55:17 can i conclude from here, koffice is being ported to maemo? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3672 Sep 10 19:56:03 dystopia: 'being ported' is perhaps a bit strong expression; first we want to get 2.0 for 'normal' pcs released... Sep 10 19:56:13 dystopia: but maemo is certainly an interesting target :) Sep 10 19:57:57 * Stskeeps wonders if there's a way to check if charging stopped without hald-addon-bme Sep 10 19:58:26 =] a'ight makes sense! Sep 10 20:00:45 night all Sep 10 20:08:29 Mek: out of curiosity, have you been able to install kde on the default memory, or do you have sd install? Sep 10 20:09:12 konttori: I have an sd install right now, although just plasma+dependencies fitted on the default memory as well Sep 10 20:09:41 so, what do I need to install for plasma (as in, what's the package name) Sep 10 20:09:50 kdelibs is 101 megs. sounds a bit too much Sep 10 20:10:44 hmm? nah kdelibs isn't that big I think; although it did look like it wasn't going to fit, but the jffs2 compression helped there. Sep 10 20:10:50 but plasma is in kdebase-workspace I think Sep 10 20:10:52 there it goes... let's see if I have enough space. Sep 10 20:11:45 I haven't really tried yet to make stuff smaller (except getting rid of 40MB of svg icons and 40MB of huge wallpapers :) ) Sep 10 20:12:29 :) sweet. Anyway, if that current set fits to mem, that's more than good for now. Sep 10 20:12:47 I'm actually eagerly waiting to see how the plasma stuff runs. Sep 10 20:14:16 if you'll be at the summit, you can see there how well plasma runs as well :) Sep 10 20:14:46 Yeah, I'll definitely be there. Sep 10 20:15:34 so, is kdebase-workspace big? Sep 10 20:15:42 (along with its dependencies) Sep 10 20:16:46 Mek: Any chance you could make you repo compatible with application manager? Sep 10 20:16:51 larger than I'd like it to be... (and there is some stuff in there you don't even need like kwin) Sep 10 20:17:04 And provide a .install file for it? Sep 10 20:17:40 it is certainly possible I guess, although it would probably first require splitting up the packages a bit further into one application-per-package Sep 10 20:17:57 right now they are quite similar to the normal debian packages Sep 10 20:18:41 it is definetly something I want to do before kde4.2 is released (but for that I still have quite some months :) ) Sep 10 20:18:42 Well, is there a need for that? Sep 10 20:18:55 You could just provide a few most basic packages with .install. Sep 10 20:19:09 yeah, that could work too... Sep 10 20:19:26 but I don't want to make it too easy for someone to try this :P Sep 10 20:20:28 I don't want to make it seem like this stuff is actually usable... Sep 10 20:20:36 (although most of the games are quite usable) Sep 10 20:23:25 sounds very good indeed Sep 10 20:26:16 I'm installing workspace. Sep 10 20:26:29 what do I need to do to start home screen? Sep 10 20:26:55 just run plasma Sep 10 20:27:12 ok. thanks. Sep 10 20:27:28 I have to go to sleep now. See you later. and kudos for great work! Sep 10 20:37:26 Hey, anybody knows of any useful kernel patch, except for screen rotation and fast SD operations? Sep 10 20:40:29 Mek: have you checked the memory consumption, while running kontact for example? Sep 10 20:41:38 where can i get the screen rotation from? Sep 10 20:43:56 moontiger: sse2.net/rotate contains some instructions. you'll find a diablo kernel here: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/Rotate.zip Sep 10 20:44:41 * jott should put a diablo kernel on his site too Sep 10 20:48:23 jott: according to loadapplet for example akregator is using 21MB, kded4 4MB, kwalletd 4MB, knotify4 4MB, klauncher 2MB Sep 10 20:49:49 Mek: ah ok. sounds bearable. Sep 10 20:54:09 (oh, and each of for example the kio_http slaves also uses 10MB of memory... wich kind of sucks when there are several of them running) Sep 10 20:54:40 ugh Sep 10 21:03:29 re Sep 10 21:04:28 spawn Sep 10 21:05:23 http://video.golem.de/handy/1618/swype-video.html Sep 10 21:06:29 okay, either i'm going insane, or splash screens help deblet bootup times.. Sep 10 21:06:33 eichi, saw it last night and have tools pre-prepared which could be put to similar purpose Sep 10 21:06:41 (compared to fb console boots) Sep 10 21:07:15 maybe its the method the console data is sent Sep 10 21:07:51 i should sack bootlogd on it and see if there's an actual improvement Sep 10 21:08:03 quantitatively please, we know you are insane already Sep 10 21:08:44 indeed Sep 10 21:10:15 * jott hits lcuk with a big software patent bat. Sep 10 21:10:52 yeehaa! Sep 10 21:11:37 software patent? whatever happened to replicating something cool? as long as i dont have their source i can wave my stylus around and interpret it as i like Sep 10 21:11:38 but yeah this swype should be fairly simple to implement. Sep 10 21:12:18 lcuk: i'll give you pizza if you implement that as a h-i-m or the likes Sep 10 21:12:19 :P Sep 10 21:12:30 bacon pizza? Sep 10 21:12:51 bacon is a necessity on pizzas Sep 10 21:12:51 :P Sep 10 21:13:14 no, if i wasnt so fatigued i might but right now i need to build other stuff Sep 10 21:14:05 tho i do have the keyboard tileset lying around Sep 10 21:14:26 and i could store away which tiles i hover over Sep 10 21:14:37 lcuk: and no you can't, ask the eu ministry of agriculture and fisheries :D Sep 10 21:14:43 and i could filter out those not in a dictionary but since its a sequence the logic isnt so hard Sep 10 21:15:00 (re swpat) Sep 10 21:16:17 http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/earth_explodes Sep 10 21:16:18 lcuk: levenstein will wipe your shiny little metal ass :) Sep 10 21:16:39 he would, but it would gain publicity :) Sep 10 21:17:06 maybe he likes it this way? :) Sep 10 21:17:07 and it might help get it legitimately onto our devices Sep 10 21:17:14 okay, the effect is not only in my head: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.nobootlogd.png vs http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bootchart.splash.png Sep 10 21:17:32 it's actually a massive improvement Sep 10 21:18:27 so that code i passed over does the business then? Sep 10 21:18:31 yes Sep 10 21:18:34 * lcuk thanks nokia for something if so Sep 10 21:18:36 with some minor hacks Sep 10 21:18:41 (maemo is around ~45 secs bootup) Sep 10 21:18:46 yer, but it did what it said on the tin Sep 10 21:19:16 now, how do you get bootup down to <5sec Sep 10 21:19:29 suspend to SD, maybe.. i dunno Sep 10 21:19:48 its always confused me about how long all boot processes take Sep 10 21:19:56 im sure most things dont need to run right away Sep 10 21:20:12 well linux is stuck in sysvinit world without dependancy info Sep 10 21:20:36 like keyboard drivers? usb thingies and those damned framebuffers Sep 10 21:20:44 without all them we would boot much quicker Sep 10 21:22:14 Stskeeps: hum you just added the fb-progress thing and it got 20s faster?! Sep 10 21:22:30 jott: and disabled console-fb Sep 10 21:22:34 aah. Sep 10 21:22:34 ok Sep 10 21:22:37 i was astonished too Sep 10 21:22:49 console-fb does clearly block :) Sep 10 21:22:58 that explains maemo bootup times a little better Sep 10 21:23:37 have you an diablo chart to compare to? Sep 10 21:23:51 lmao http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1033016557&posted=1#post1033016557 Sep 10 21:24:11 jott: not handy, just a chinook once that's 45 sec Sep 10 21:24:30 Stskeeps: url? Sep 10 21:24:52 http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/bootchart-n800-os2008-008_bclng_50ms.png Sep 10 21:26:49 Stskeeps: hald and portmap seem to take quite long Sep 10 21:27:49 is portmap needed anyway? Sep 10 21:28:02 nah, except for NFS Sep 10 21:28:37 does it really block for 4s?! Sep 10 21:29:29 and i guess hald could be a bit stripped down. :) Sep 10 21:30:38 Hmm. Stay up for another 2.5 hours and see the election results... or, go to sleep. Sep 10 21:30:58 why 2.5? Sep 10 21:30:59 prepare you speech we want live coverage :) Sep 10 21:31:13 are the results up at 1 GMT? Sep 10 21:31:21 err Sep 10 21:31:27 1BST? Sep 10 21:31:43 00:00 GMT Sep 10 21:31:54 fail Sep 10 21:31:55 at least polls close .. Sep 10 21:32:13 hah Sep 10 21:32:14 not sure about the results.. Sep 10 21:32:14 mikem23:59 UTC the polls close; given it's software based I wouldn't expect much manual counting to be necessary Sep 10 21:32:29 i demand a recount Sep 10 21:32:53 jott: what, my concession speech? Sep 10 21:33:20 Jaffa, now now, watch out what you're saying... This is the maemo server we're talking about... It could take hours for the results to be ready Sep 10 21:33:21 Jaffa: or your rejection speech. just be prepared :) Sep 10 21:33:44 "thank you for all your support!" *wave* *wave* Sep 10 21:33:55 crashanddie: heh - sending out a wiki link and checking it was the right one took a long time Sep 10 21:34:24 jott: that's "concession" - I know cos it took me *far* too long to think of the word. I think that means I need to sleep. Especially since Mrs. Jaffa came up with it before I did. Sep 10 21:34:28 ah Sep 10 21:34:54 "Concession" and "victory" Sep 10 21:34:59 * jott notes Sep 10 21:35:32 do we get to see how many votes each candidate got? Sep 10 21:35:42 or is it 'in/out' Sep 10 21:35:43 Would hope so Sep 10 21:35:53 really? Sep 10 21:36:11 Council of equals... Sep 10 21:36:35 just musing... Sep 10 21:36:37 okay, may have to retract my statement on consolefb vs splash - did a retest with the current image and they're about the same Sep 10 21:36:38 'spose. But if you lost by hundreds of votes that could persuade you to not try next time. Sep 10 21:36:45 yeah well would be concerning if one person got 99.9% of the votes and 0.1% is distributed among the others :) Sep 10 21:36:50 hmm.. would http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo.png make a nice t-shirt? :) Sep 10 21:36:52 but then again, i cannot explain why it boots 20 sec quicker suddenly Sep 10 21:36:53 :P Sep 10 21:37:00 other than i don't have it on charger Sep 10 21:37:16 Mek: no winner logo has to be used :D Sep 10 21:37:32 Mek - go for the plain black T-shirt : Turned off Sep 10 21:37:40 jott, why not? Sep 10 21:37:44 jott: yeah... I know... Sep 10 21:37:53 crashanddie: that's the rules... :) Sep 10 21:38:05 crashanddie: well i guess we all get an official t-shirt anyway... Sep 10 21:38:07 yeah, but what's the reason behind the rule? Sep 10 21:38:25 jott, not all, only those that are going :( Sep 10 21:38:55 crashanddie: that are all! :P Sep 10 21:38:59 when do we find out? Sep 10 21:39:08 and where Sep 10 21:39:08 * jott pours salt in crashanddies wounds Sep 10 21:39:40 jott, you have no idea how cruel I can be Sep 10 21:39:40 crashanddie: just sell some hardware you got and come over ;) Sep 10 21:39:44 jott, you better watch out Sep 10 21:40:03 jott, I already sold my drumkit, to keep living Sep 10 21:41:09 * Jaffa sleeps. Sep 10 21:41:11 G'night Sep 10 21:41:14 night. Sep 10 21:41:23 when do we find out? Sep 10 21:41:28 and where? Sep 10 21:43:00 elekt: never. it was all just a big social experiment. Sep 10 21:43:16 you lie Sep 10 21:43:21 who knows :) Sep 10 21:43:32 but i'd be good with that honestly Sep 10 21:44:26 who knows, open DSP drivers today, brain implant tomorrow Sep 10 21:44:35 they all become tyrants in the end Sep 10 21:45:43 http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo2.png <-- okay, no more official logo :) but I suck at doing graphics :P Sep 10 21:46:23 Mek: you can also pick a logo from http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions Sep 10 21:47:23 Mek: your logo skills seems better than mine ;) ( http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ ) Sep 10 21:47:44 :) Sep 10 21:49:16 konqi will eat us all! Sep 10 21:58:23 I guess I could also go with a simple http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo-oxygen.png :) Sep 10 22:00:43 Mek: hah that's nice Sep 10 22:01:01 i would definitely use this :) Sep 10 22:01:22 hmm, odd Sep 10 22:01:41 if modest's set to check mail hourly, it seems to do it exactly on the hour? Sep 10 22:01:52 * sp3000 notes that probably wouldn't scale well Sep 10 22:03:08 Mek: maybe a little more tweaking but otherwise a nice idea (derived from pusling i guess :> Sep 10 22:03:44 yeah... based on the official kde oxygen logo... Sep 10 22:03:49 sure Sep 10 22:04:16 svg makes it so easy ;) Sep 10 22:12:47 and konqi with it (okay, I should have removed some of the shadow behind the M emblem): http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/konqi-maemo-oxygen.png Sep 10 22:14:51 Mek: also nice but i like the simple one better :) Sep 10 22:15:05 yeah, I guess I'll go for the simple one Sep 10 22:51:14 why am I tempted to go through each of mark's msgs and seeing if I can pick a statement that is trivially wrong in each, and making a compilation Sep 10 22:51:22 but that would be very wrong Sep 10 22:51:40 I'll give you a dollar Sep 10 22:52:09 I think the success rate would be only 50% or maybe even as low as a third Sep 10 23:00:03 http://slexy.org/view/s2KzrpX0W6 Sep 10 23:18:15 41 minutes to vote. Sep 10 23:22:01 * jott pumps adrenaline in the canditates. Sep 10 23:22:20 candidates for what? Sep 10 23:23:32 /topic, Raytray. Sep 10 23:23:37 The community council elects. Sep 10 23:23:40 Vote for me! :P Sep 10 23:24:33 s/elects/elections/ Sep 10 23:24:52 No match. Sep 10 23:24:53 PPfffff Sep 10 23:25:02 oh, cool, look at the topic Sep 10 23:25:13 no one wasn'ts a crazy overload Sep 10 23:25:14 (should have used "/g" for global. that would've affected all the text, not just the current line. :P~ Sep 10 23:25:20 topic? since when does #maemo has a real topic? :P Sep 10 23:25:28 briand, doesn't work like that with infobot. Sep 10 23:25:37 * jott goes off topic again Sep 10 23:25:42 :nod: I know. just being pendantic Sep 10 23:25:50 er, pedantic Sep 10 23:25:58 i mean: s/pend/pen/g Sep 10 23:26:00 ;) Sep 10 23:26:16 rather, s/pend/ped/g Sep 10 23:26:25 whatever. :) too late in the day to do any thinkin' Sep 10 23:27:36 IT'S NEVER TOO LATE FOR BRAINAGE Sep 10 23:28:24 who designed the voting page? Sep 10 23:28:31 I want to tell them all about