**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 18 02:59:57 2008 Sep 18 03:07:52 robink: The MAC is actually faster than a 32-bit add. Sep 18 03:07:58 But they _do_ have other instructions. Sep 18 03:11:39 derf: Ahh. Sep 18 04:04:35 my build of modest appears not to support UTF-8 locales O_o Sep 18 04:06:14 anyways, non-UTF-8 is just fine so that's a start at least... Sep 18 05:00:08 -449. Hehe. Sep 18 05:12:58 shmaemo Sep 18 05:24:36 hi.....maemo compatible with dragonball mz procesor? (kyocera 7135) Sep 18 05:36:00 hello@all Sep 18 05:37:34 need an advice for using dosbox on maemo (os2008) - how can i get F1, F2 etc on a hardware keyboard on a n810? need it realy badly :( Sep 18 05:49:01 nobody uses a n810 with dosbox? Sep 18 05:50:51 * robink attempts again to do multilib on his UltraSPARC. Sep 18 06:01:54 ULTRAAAAAAAA Sep 18 06:04:23 hi,do you try to build vte package from source . Sep 18 06:04:41 I've done it before. Libvte4 anyway Sep 18 06:04:59 on n810 Sep 18 06:05:05 ? Sep 18 06:05:08 Yeah, for Diablo. Sep 18 06:05:43 After install that the x terminal cannot be started Sep 18 06:05:45 alright guys Sep 18 06:05:47 i have a problem Sep 18 06:05:53 i need Amsn for n810 Sep 18 06:05:58 and it doesnt recognize .deb Sep 18 06:06:11 im trying to get video call working Sep 18 06:06:14 can anyone help? Sep 18 06:07:03 I report this bug on maemo bugzilla(#3699) Sep 18 06:07:46 heya Sep 18 06:07:53 ,can you give me some advice Sep 18 06:07:58 Jianjun: Why? I've rebuilt it fine. I think jott has too. Your libvte not working is your problem. Sep 18 06:08:06 Jianjun: What libvte are you building? Sep 18 06:08:10 :( Sep 18 06:08:43 Jianjun: Do you have ssh installed? Sep 18 06:09:30 can anyone help o.O Sep 18 06:09:46 yeah I have Sep 18 06:10:01 libvte4_0.12.2 Sep 18 06:10:04 When you su - user and run osso-xterm, do you get any error messages. Sep 18 06:10:15 install that on n810 Sep 18 06:10:17 Here is a deb of a libvte I rebuilt from the osso-xterm svn: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=219621&postcount=11 Sep 18 06:10:36 Segmentation fault Sep 18 06:10:36 (only install it if you have a need to, otherwise you may get weird things :/) Sep 18 06:11:00 can anyone help me w/ amsn? Sep 18 06:11:06 ok,thanks! Sep 18 06:11:21 I'll try. Sep 18 06:12:10 :'( Sep 18 06:12:54 Jianjun: But all I really did with that deb was "svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osso-xterm/vte/trunk" ; apt-get build-dep libvte4 and add a patch to the debian/patches folder and dpkg-buildpackage it. In a Diablo SDK scratchbox Sep 18 06:13:04 cpt! you can help meh yes? Sep 18 06:16:18 i do that with 'apt-get source libvte4' and then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ,In a Diablo SDK scratchbox Sep 18 06:16:55 * Jaredu has a problem and is getting ignored. Sep 18 06:19:19 Jaredu: its probably that they cant help. and no, i cant help either. sorry :( Sep 18 06:19:45 jaredu wassup? Sep 18 06:19:48 hey Sep 18 06:19:54 im trying to install amsn Sep 18 06:20:00 and it gives me a compatibility error Sep 18 06:20:22 i read on the site that a recent update somewhat bricked it and that i need tcltk Sep 18 06:20:27 but i cant figure out how to get it installed Sep 18 06:20:38 i just got the tablet today but ive been reading up on it for weeks.. Sep 18 06:22:36 any clue what to do? Sep 18 06:24:45 :( Sep 18 06:24:49 is there a .deb package? Sep 18 06:25:07 there is but when i try to install it it says version not supported or w/e Sep 18 06:25:18 w/e? Sep 18 06:25:24 whatever Sep 18 06:25:28 ahhhhh Sep 18 06:25:30 lol Sep 18 06:25:49 hmmmmmmmm i dont know if tcl/tk is on the maemo Sep 18 06:25:56 it got ported Sep 18 06:26:02 theres a .deb in the garage Sep 18 06:26:07 i just dont know how to make it work Sep 18 06:26:14 have you tried installing it from the cmd line with dpkg to see what exactly the error is? Sep 18 06:26:20 nope.. Sep 18 06:26:26 havent really got that far yet Sep 18 06:26:26 i would try that as root Sep 18 06:26:36 how do i get root on this o.o Sep 18 06:26:42 why do you want amsn btw? Sep 18 06:26:49 rootsh? Sep 18 06:26:56 i need it for video chat with msn buddies Sep 18 06:27:08 i doubt it supports video chat Sep 18 06:27:12 gizmo does tho Sep 18 06:27:20 gizmo does it for msn? Sep 18 06:27:26 i couldnt get it working earlier o.o Sep 18 06:27:27 no unfortunately not Sep 18 06:27:31 :( Sep 18 06:27:36 i know amsn does video Sep 18 06:27:43 someone here recommended it Sep 18 06:27:45 gizmo is the only video chat solution right now that i know of Sep 18 06:27:47 and it has the protocols Sep 18 06:27:58 does video on the nokia? Sep 18 06:28:07 ? Sep 18 06:28:10 or does video on the desktop Sep 18 06:28:12 ? Sep 18 06:28:13 both Sep 18 06:28:19 lemme go look Sep 18 06:28:22 mmk Sep 18 06:29:00 http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n800/ Sep 18 06:29:04 try that stuff Sep 18 06:29:14 from here: http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659 Sep 18 06:29:27 i was there Sep 18 06:29:29 the .debs dont work Sep 18 06:29:33 thats why i came here :( Sep 18 06:29:37 ahhhhhhhhh i c Sep 18 06:29:40 hold 2 Sep 18 06:29:45 kk Sep 18 06:30:24 ok you have to use dpkg Sep 18 06:30:34 so get rootsh or whatever to get root on the tablet Sep 18 06:30:44 alright Sep 18 06:30:53 then download the .deb? Sep 18 06:30:56 then you want to do dpkg -i Sep 18 06:31:00 on the debs Sep 18 06:31:03 but in the right order Sep 18 06:31:06 sec Sep 18 06:31:09 dependencies first Sep 18 06:31:14 tcltk? Sep 18 06:31:23 i would imagine so yes Sep 18 06:31:27 amsn last Sep 18 06:31:49 k Sep 18 06:31:53 will try 1 sec Sep 18 06:32:24 have you not tried the telepathy haze stuff? Sep 18 06:32:38 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 18 06:32:42 nope Sep 18 06:33:02 does it do video? o.O Sep 18 06:33:20 ach no video Sep 18 06:33:27 nor does amsn apparently Sep 18 06:33:31 hmm Sep 18 06:33:36 it does.. people here have had it working Sep 18 06:33:42 im telling you ... gizmo is the only video solution right now Sep 18 06:33:47 i got my tablet today and the person that explained some of it to me was here a few days ago :( Sep 18 06:34:06 ive not heard of video from anything other than gizmo Sep 18 06:34:22 i could be mistaken but i had mine since xmas and i write soiftware for it Sep 18 06:34:30 and i dont know of video from amsn Sep 18 06:34:37 BUT i could be wrong Sep 18 06:34:37 :( Sep 18 06:34:53 gizmo works real good ... and its free and has chat and all that stuff Sep 18 06:35:00 ur friends couldnt use that? Sep 18 06:35:12 they arent willing to switch Sep 18 06:35:18 hmmmmmmmmm right Sep 18 06:35:18 one of them is a bsd freak Sep 18 06:35:24 right Sep 18 06:35:24 so.. he couldnt anyway Sep 18 06:35:26 :( Sep 18 06:35:47 well i will ask some of the senior geeks here when i see them Sep 18 06:36:02 but i havent heard of anything but gizmo doing video ... not even skype does it yet Sep 18 06:36:12 hmm Sep 18 06:36:16 alright Sep 18 06:36:24 sorry im not more help :| Sep 18 06:36:31 s'ok Sep 18 06:36:59 ill make it work :P Sep 18 06:37:05 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 18 06:37:13 that does the text part really well Sep 18 06:37:28 and i would imagine they would get the video working as soon as anybody Sep 18 06:37:31 oo Sep 18 06:37:34 i got tcl installed Sep 18 06:37:58 i'll be here for a while so let me know if you get it working or if i can help at all Sep 18 06:38:00 in the readme it gives instructions as to order Sep 18 06:38:03 alright :D Sep 18 06:38:11 so far i love the tablet Sep 18 06:38:16 i also have the sony mylo com 2 Sep 18 06:38:23 i miss the keyboard on the mylo, the camera as well Sep 18 06:38:27 but the open nature of this... Sep 18 06:38:29 so fun Sep 18 06:38:44 tcl and tk installed :D Sep 18 06:39:08 tcltls installed Sep 18 06:39:47 libsnack 2 installed Sep 18 06:40:18 cabextract installed Sep 18 06:40:22 looking good so far Sep 18 06:40:29 awesome Sep 18 06:40:40 there is some really good software for the nokias Sep 18 06:40:54 :d Sep 18 06:41:09 i use mine for gps and email / web ... book reading ... video + music + gizmo/skype Sep 18 06:41:20 :P Sep 18 06:41:23 and i write for it Sep 18 06:41:25 i love the skype on it Sep 18 06:41:27 so i love it Sep 18 06:41:29 the speakers are nice Sep 18 06:41:33 yah Sep 18 06:41:50 i use it to keep in touch with friends and family around the world Sep 18 06:42:20 hmm Sep 18 06:42:25 i need libswfdec Sep 18 06:42:31 and swfdec-gnome Sep 18 06:42:32 thats for flash Sep 18 06:42:56 ah Sep 18 06:43:07 dont need that then xD Sep 18 06:43:36 nope Sep 18 06:43:44 and it wont install right now afaik Sep 18 06:44:25 heh Sep 18 06:44:32 they had it on chinook :P Sep 18 06:46:30 http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/screenshots/06-amsn_audio_video_assistant1.png Sep 18 06:46:39 with effort it does work Sep 18 06:46:42 screenshots prove it :P Sep 18 06:47:35 heh Sep 18 06:47:40 thats the assistant ... not the live video Sep 18 06:47:55 wow, i just found out that there is a gnome version of RTCOMM Sep 18 06:48:24 http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/screenshots/08-amsn_webcam_invite.png Sep 18 06:49:40 how do i use the root application Sep 18 06:49:53 which one? Sep 18 06:50:03 shroot Sep 18 06:50:10 im trying to do dpkg -i amsn.deb Sep 18 06:50:13 in documents Sep 18 06:50:25 i think shroot uses sudo gainroot Sep 18 06:50:34 shroot is a myth. rootsh is real. Sep 18 06:50:42 ahh yes, rootsh Sep 18 06:50:56 acydlord is right. alternatively, "root" or "rootsh " Sep 18 06:50:58 shroot worked Sep 18 06:51:02 sudo gainroot got it Sep 18 06:51:03 ty :D Sep 18 06:57:14 qwerty12: do you know of any icd2 problems caused by the rotate kernel patch? Sep 18 06:57:39 moontiger: no, never had a problem with icd2 and rotation here anyway :/ Sep 18 06:58:19 since i put the rotation kernel on my icd2 would freak out at least once a day ... 92% cpu and not working at all ... no menu or dialog happening and no connection Sep 18 06:58:24 i would have to reboot Sep 18 06:59:03 moontiger: Have you flashed the original kernel to see if this is a problem of the rotation kernel? Sep 18 06:59:22 yes i went back to flashing the original and have been fine so far since yesterday Sep 18 06:59:49 Hmm, which kernel did you flash? Sep 18 06:59:51 qwerty12: btw noticed fbconsole rotation in kernel Sep 18 06:59:56 (if that makes any sense :P) Sep 18 07:00:07 grr Sep 18 07:00:10 i dislike dpkg Sep 18 07:00:16 i flashed the stuff from rotate.zip Sep 18 07:00:25 Jaredu: oh, trust me, there's better targets than dpkg in the package ecosystem Sep 18 07:00:26 :P Sep 18 07:00:26 wassup jaredu? Sep 18 07:00:31 Stskeeps: Not at all :P. I don't get what Nokia is playing at though, gtk depends on libxrandr but nokia still don't ship with rotation Sep 18 07:01:01 qwerty12: as in it's possible to rotate the framebuffer text console Sep 18 07:01:02 moontiger: the kernel in rotate.zip is old now actually :/. I have the latest kernel with rotation & 48Mhz mmc Sep 18 07:01:22 hmmmmmmmm is it possible that the older kernel had issues? Sep 18 07:01:37 No idea Sep 18 07:01:55 But I gtg, sorry. school... grrr Sep 18 07:02:01 right .... i cant imagine why the rotate kernel would break icd2 Sep 18 07:02:08 laterz Sep 18 07:02:11 :) Sep 18 07:02:18 ok Sep 18 07:02:21 apparently i need scratchbox Sep 18 07:02:37 how do i get it o.o Sep 18 07:02:56 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ Sep 18 07:04:15 hmm Sep 18 07:04:47 wait, new specs will have a 3G modem? Sep 18 07:04:52 yeah Sep 18 07:05:02 where have you been hiding, under a rock? :P Sep 18 07:05:24 I've been working on the school newspaper for 10 hours, roughly Sep 18 07:05:40 the community, atleast on ITT is arguing loudly pro and con :P Sep 18 07:05:43 I hope there's a version without, or with a cdma modem Sep 18 07:05:53 I don't go to ITT often Sep 18 07:05:56 i don't mind one with a cdma if it's possible to take it offline Sep 18 07:06:10 well, 3g Sep 18 07:06:11 :P Sep 18 07:06:40 3G doesn't work where I am most of the time anyway, and I want to be able to put it on Sprint (without wimax, which seems to be fizzling) Sep 18 07:07:02 gah Sep 18 07:07:07 i dont even remeber what i said =x Sep 18 07:07:09 i forgot the command to run a .sh file Sep 18 07:07:14 Jaredu: "sh" Sep 18 07:07:15 :P Sep 18 07:07:16 ack, wrong window Sep 18 07:07:17 i tried Sep 18 07:07:22 said can't open scratchbox.sh Sep 18 07:07:25 :( Sep 18 07:07:27 well it's not there then Sep 18 07:07:31 hmm Sep 18 07:07:34 im at /home/user Sep 18 07:07:37 i need to get to documents? Sep 18 07:07:43 device name is Jaredu n810 Sep 18 07:08:12 oh, you don't run scratchbox on the device Sep 18 07:08:15 you run it on a desktop pc Sep 18 07:08:25 ahh Sep 18 07:08:33 why the hell Sep 18 07:08:34 lol Sep 18 07:08:42 why? because tablet compilation is dead slow:P Sep 18 07:08:55 well, im using it for amsn >.< Sep 18 07:08:57 * Stskeeps personally compiles his stuff on tablet/Deblet and his debian armel buildbox Sep 18 07:09:01 and it supposedly needs it Sep 18 07:09:02 heh Sep 18 07:09:08 yeah, for building it Sep 18 07:09:12 no no, compiling shell scripts is almost instant Sep 18 07:10:16 hm Sep 18 07:10:24 so how would i go about getting it on the tablet? ;) Sep 18 07:11:17 you look at the SDK docs Sep 18 07:11:18 :P Sep 18 07:11:23 blargh Sep 18 07:11:24 and then transfer the resulting .deb in some way Sep 18 07:11:27 the script wont work? :( Sep 18 07:12:34 hmm Sep 18 07:12:38 what is "redpill"? Sep 18 07:12:57 something you don't want to enable :P Sep 18 07:13:03 well Sep 18 07:13:06 it lets amsn work Sep 18 07:13:09 .. Sep 18 07:13:10 so... how do i do it lol Sep 18 07:13:21 google? :P Sep 18 07:13:29 blah, thats what you guys are for :P Sep 18 07:13:33 nop Sep 18 07:13:33 Jaredu: you take your time, you read a bit of doc, you start by simple task Sep 18 07:13:34 :P Sep 18 07:13:42 :'( Sep 18 07:13:59 im not a huge linux newb.. just trying to interface w/ tablet :( Sep 18 07:14:00 Jaredu: once you are confident with compiling vanilla tarball and playing with dpkg, you start tryint to make the same in scratchbox Sep 18 07:14:13 i'm here for discussing odd tablet hardware specifics, and developing on debian for internet tablets Sep 18 07:14:16 :P Sep 18 07:14:21 if you try to go faster without understanding what you do, you will be lost and feel frustrated Sep 18 07:14:33 heh Sep 18 07:14:45 i figure if i cant get it working tonight Sep 18 07:14:53 then i have 5 hours at work tomorrow to figure it out Sep 18 07:14:55 Jaredu: isn't there like already a package for amsn though Sep 18 07:15:00 yes Sep 18 07:15:02 but its not compatible Sep 18 07:15:06 hence red pill mode Sep 18 07:15:19 i already installed the dependencies Sep 18 07:16:25 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14529 ?:P Sep 18 07:19:11 red pill mode enabled ;) Sep 18 07:20:02 muahahahhahahahahaaaaa Sep 18 07:20:25 tasty cherry flavor Sep 18 07:20:39 "amsn successfully installed" Sep 18 07:20:48 * Jaredu chants an evil laugh. Sep 18 07:21:08 now check to see if you can view someone's webcam Sep 18 07:21:34 about to sync it with my old account Sep 18 07:22:29 cool Sep 18 07:27:09 woo it logged in so thats good Sep 18 07:30:41 it detects the camera on the assistant so far Sep 18 07:30:53 its laggyish Sep 18 07:30:57 for the program Sep 18 07:33:02 webcam on amsn works! Sep 18 07:33:06 wooooo!!!! Sep 18 07:33:32 hurrayyyy Sep 18 07:35:13 its a little laggy Sep 18 07:35:16 like choppyish Sep 18 07:35:19 but still, it works Sep 18 07:35:22 webcam ftw!!! Sep 18 07:35:26 <3 amsn now Sep 18 07:37:06 muahahahaa Sep 18 07:43:10 now once i get quake installed ill call it a night Sep 18 07:43:12 :) Sep 18 07:52:07 morning all Sep 18 07:52:22 heya Sep 18 07:52:33 i r happy and about to go to bed Sep 18 07:52:44 Jaredu: ah, ready for webcamming ;) Sep 18 07:52:47 i got video on amsn :D Sep 18 07:52:54 * aquatix doesn't want to know the details ;) Sep 18 07:53:09 not hard really Sep 18 07:53:18 just involved red pill mode and installing dependencies Sep 18 07:53:25 <3 Sep 18 07:53:28 just got quake too Sep 18 07:53:30 muahaha Sep 18 07:54:11 Jaredu: how's the quality? Sep 18 07:54:19 well Sep 18 07:54:21 my lighting sucks Sep 18 07:54:24 Jaredu: regarding the msn video Sep 18 07:54:32 but when i go in the bathroom with good lighting its pretty good Sep 18 07:54:37 quake is excellent :P Sep 18 07:55:10 Jaredu: well it sounds really weird to play something like quake without a mouse Sep 18 07:55:20 heh Sep 18 07:55:26 i dont like that the fullscreen button is jump Sep 18 07:55:49 it looks to be running really fast though Sep 18 07:55:54 like over 60fps O_O Sep 18 07:57:52 hmmm, about mouses Sep 18 07:58:02 is it possible to use a bluetooth mouse on the NIT? Sep 18 07:58:54 not sure Sep 18 07:58:58 i know that keyboards work Sep 18 07:59:03 so that'd be fine Sep 18 07:59:10 aaaaand my battery just died Sep 18 07:59:12 so im off to bed Sep 18 08:00:08 Jaredu: cya Sep 18 08:00:51 see you guys in the morning with a fresh mood and full battery :D Sep 18 08:04:01 g'night Sep 18 08:20:30 neat, think i'll get my work to shop for some beagleboards :> Sep 18 08:22:06 Stskeeps: build a beowolf cluster with them Sep 18 08:24:39 aquatix: we're going to build prototypes to put in people who go through hip surgery's home Sep 18 08:25:06 :) Sep 18 08:25:20 Stskeeps: with tracking devices and such? Sep 18 08:25:27 mebbe, dunno yet :p Sep 18 08:25:31 we're most interested in the s-video Sep 18 08:26:28 while in surgery? Sep 18 08:35:50 Maemo deev session happening now. Sep 18 08:37:31 dev session started. woo. Sep 18 08:37:54 Questions anyone? Sep 18 08:39:31 for dev sessions? how soon sdks for fremantle starts appearing, and xorg omapfb src:P Sep 18 08:40:12 Not a bad Q... Keep 'em coming. Sep 18 08:42:47 cos a non-kdrive xorg is -really- interesting Sep 18 08:44:33 and specifcs on the new booting process Sep 18 08:46:09 specific tech questions would prolly be best tomorrow at the summit Sep 18 08:53:26 yeah - anyone reporting from the session? Sep 18 08:53:35 i can Sep 18 08:53:48 Ok. ;) Sep 18 08:53:54 lots of discussion of hspa Sep 18 08:54:22 hehe, like on itt:P Sep 18 08:54:54 so far he's mostly just said that he cant answer these questions today Sep 18 08:55:12 morning Sep 18 08:55:14 he did comment on the HD camera, that it will have a much better / more advanced API Sep 18 08:55:29 @sjgadsby is reporting via Jaiku. Sep 18 08:55:39 and that the software should support hspa AND wifi, and there should not be the assumption that hspa is available Sep 18 08:55:43 things should work without it Sep 18 08:56:11 rm_you: will libconic notice that there are other network adapters then wlan0/bt/hspa? Sep 18 08:56:26 * hrw use USB Network adapter under maemo Sep 18 08:56:29 that would be a technical question for tomorrow at the summit Sep 18 08:56:34 ok Sep 18 08:56:36 we will ask for questions on IRC then toot Sep 18 08:56:43 oday is more overview stuff Sep 18 08:56:48 *today Sep 18 08:56:50 will conic be open sourced? Sep 18 08:56:56 tomorrow I will be on summit too Sep 18 08:56:59 brontide: it is already Sep 18 08:57:10 oh you are coming hrw? Sep 18 08:57:12 brontide: at least since chinoook Sep 18 08:57:13 cool Sep 18 08:57:27 So someone could change the UI and how BT works? Sep 18 08:57:28 rm_you: I do - I have talk about n8x0 emulation Sep 18 08:57:45 ah right Sep 18 08:58:25 ok so thereś a definite focus on moving desktop technologies and concepts to the pocket device Sep 18 08:58:49 Re: Desktop Tech... A little ambiguous? Or is it just me? Sep 18 08:59:00 yes Sep 18 08:59:00 hrm Sep 18 08:59:17 quim just said ¨getting rid of the word embedded¨ would be a good thing Sep 18 08:59:53 Isn't that just ignoring the fact that this is, and will always be, a constrained device Sep 18 08:59:59 a little, but i think i sort of get it? Sep 18 09:00:31 i think what they´re trying to do is make it less constrained, the first step of which is omap3 Sep 18 09:00:47 I hope that they will finally have opengl/es in next tablet Sep 18 09:00:49 We still need good 'handheld' functionality. Sep 18 09:01:00 otherwise MIDs with Moblin would kill it Sep 18 09:01:07 its funny calling 400mhz constrained:P Sep 18 09:01:11 he was saying this next iteration should be more multimedia, more connected, ¨more computer¨ Sep 18 09:01:25 StsN800: 800x480 in high dpi is constrained Sep 18 09:01:33 true Sep 18 09:01:33 wow Sep 18 09:01:36 switching to pulsaudio Sep 18 09:01:41 Tracker, OHM, PulseAudio, gUPnP, upstart Sep 18 09:01:47 upstart for init Sep 18 09:01:51 yes, that :P Sep 18 09:01:58 you apparently type faster than I do, lol Sep 18 09:01:59 upstart is not only init Sep 18 09:02:09 it is init and event manager Sep 18 09:02:16 or it has to be Sep 18 09:02:32 can be a good thing if they do it right Sep 18 09:02:36 a new hardware management daemon... maybe open source? ditch old annoying DSME? Sep 18 09:02:48 rm_you: dsme2 Sep 18 09:02:50 ohm? Sep 18 09:03:02 yeah, OHM Sep 18 09:03:06 Hardware management daemon Sep 18 09:03:29 hrw: you know what OHM is? Sep 18 09:03:34 i havent heard about it before Sep 18 09:03:49 google ohm freedesktop Sep 18 09:04:04 cant, typing for you guys :P summarize? Sep 18 09:04:27 is it fully open? is it decent? standardized? good api? Sep 18 09:04:39 "Yes." Sep 18 09:04:47 Every one of these project will be hard pressed to run on n8x0 Sep 18 09:04:48 k Sep 18 09:04:51 Open Hardware Manager Sep 18 09:05:02 OHM is a small open source systems daemon which sits above HAL and abstracts out common hardware management tasks such as system wide inhibit action control and controlling heat dissipation on embedded devices. Sep 18 09:05:17 OHM, PulseAudio at the least due to totally different hardware Sep 18 09:05:39 cos esound is old and undeveloped Sep 18 09:05:55 sounds good Sep 18 09:06:10 rm_you, lgpl Sep 18 09:06:24 hrm cool Sep 18 09:06:53 looks like they are going in a lot of good directions Sep 18 09:07:11 so maybe closed plugins but open management Sep 18 09:07:18 standardizing a lot of stuff, getting rid of proprietary, closed components Sep 18 09:07:46 HAo Sep 18 09:07:47 sounds really good :) Sep 18 09:07:49 fficial a2dpt Sep 18 09:07:55 nice Sep 18 09:07:56 hough ive heard that before Sep 18 09:07:56 it also interacts with upstart Sep 18 09:07:56 do not get too excited Sep 18 09:08:03 yeah Sep 18 09:08:07 true Sep 18 09:08:16 a2dp is supported by bluez so it means nearly no work to get it working Sep 18 09:08:38 ~hail usb keyboard in qemu Sep 18 09:08:39 maybe finally a2dp officially... but.... yeah. not going to hold my breath. who knows, they could surprise me :P Sep 18 09:08:39 * infobot bows down to usb keyboard in qemu and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Sep 18 09:09:03 yeah and yet it still doesnt work well because they didnt´provide a DSP utility Sep 18 09:09:21 so, QT not in this iteration Sep 18 09:09:29 at least not in fremantle Sep 18 09:09:53 rm_you, they should be asked about ohm source (not plugins) early top Sep 18 09:09:56 too Sep 18 09:10:38 cos its proof of concept on wiki.atm Sep 18 09:10:41 they don´t control OHM though do they? itś a seperate OSS project? Sep 18 09:10:52 separate Sep 18 09:11:06 think they are quite involved though Sep 18 09:11:10 uf.. scariest slide looks a bit better Sep 18 09:11:50 Quim is up. Sep 18 09:12:36 list of packages should be online Sep 18 09:12:46 for alpha sdk Sep 18 09:13:06 url? Sep 18 09:13:09 so yeah, in response to SDK availability, he said there is an SDK already in the works (obviously) but he will get into the timeline later Sep 18 09:13:15 k Sep 18 09:13:25 apparently available on the wiki page for fremantle Sep 18 09:13:38 the package lists Sep 18 09:13:59 ok browser dev merged with mozilla.org will be nice Sep 18 09:14:25 Yes! Sep 18 09:14:33 that isn't new news though, or is it? Sep 18 09:14:41 ui will probably stay closed i guess Sep 18 09:14:50 maybe :/ Sep 18 09:15:31 hi, something started to warm up my n800 and eat battery soon, i thought i tuned something wrong and reflashed but does same, runs hot eats battery, hardware problem? any educated guesses? Sep 18 09:16:44 thux, wifi ap without power saving? Sep 18 09:16:45 Take it out of the oven. Sep 18 09:16:55 Stupid question: Someone wrote about a volume hack here some time ago. Is there a way to increase the volume somehow? Sep 18 09:17:01 he's talking about openness now Sep 18 09:17:02 Sorry -- couldn't resist. Sep 18 09:17:11 qole was talking about thatu Sep 18 09:17:14 woo, gcc-4.2 in fremantle Sep 18 09:17:21 sing alsamixer in debian chroot allows you to do some boost stuffg Sep 18 09:17:26 apparently gets a lot more volume Sep 18 09:17:46 wow, typing too fast for my bluetooth keyboard Sep 18 09:17:52 Of course http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/diff-newer.html says alarmd is gone Sep 18 09:18:07 StsN800: i changed router, thats could be it thanks Sep 18 09:18:52 thux: if you ever set up an ad-hoc connection, it will basically always be looking for it Sep 18 09:18:56 unless they fixed that... Sep 18 09:19:18 hildon-theme-layout-4 Sep 18 09:19:18 hildon-theme-layout-5 Sep 18 09:19:21 gcc-3.4-base in Fremantle... so closed parts will be in system or someone forgot to rebuild distro... Sep 18 09:19:24 Finger-friendly, anybody? ;) Sep 18 09:20:06 bluez4... Sep 18 09:20:16 moo, all Sep 18 09:20:28 brontide: please, tell me browserd is gone from it Sep 18 09:20:35 dentist time, brb Sep 18 09:20:39 libsoup is bundled Sep 18 09:21:19 heh, RST38h, we can ask tomorrow... or see if timeless will tell us Sep 18 09:21:28 @GeneralAntilles: isn't it, like, 4a there! Sep 18 09:21:28 ah, as if on queue Sep 18 09:21:33 That's a "Duh" question. Sep 18 09:21:35 timeless: yo? Sep 18 09:21:38 5:21\ Sep 18 09:21:40 Just got up. Sep 18 09:21:48 Insane. Sep 18 09:22:07 cx3110x-headers? Sep 18 09:22:28 timsamoff: 5:22a Sep 18 09:22:44 * brontide needs more coffee Sep 18 09:23:16 ***Me too. Sep 18 09:23:22 :) Sep 18 09:23:34 yeah, coffee would be nice :P Sep 18 09:23:52 rm_you: useless to ask Sep 18 09:24:02 rm_you: that was mainly a rhetorical question Sep 18 09:24:02 30 minutes and I'll get moving to pickup bundyo for the summit. Yay! Sep 18 09:24:29 who will be in berlin tonight? we could try to get even more people together for dinner Sep 18 09:24:48 wlan driver stlc44xx Sep 18 09:24:50 rm_you: Define "tonight" Sep 18 09:24:53 ah yeah, open wlan driver Sep 18 09:25:05 DSME HITS GARAGEQIOUHWE@#NY Sep 18 09:25:06 rm_you: I'll pick up bundyo at about 14:30 to 15:00 in Dortmund Sep 18 09:25:26 so ST agreed on opening stlc44xx? nice Sep 18 09:25:26 dsme woo Sep 18 09:25:41 Depending on his level of stress on the Autobahn we might be there "tonight" ;) Sep 18 09:25:44 DSME DSME DSME DSME DSME Sep 18 09:25:50 Calendar engine? Sep 18 09:26:00 yeah dunno, i guess that's good? Sep 18 09:26:14 anything with an RFC reference kind of makes me smile Sep 18 09:26:15 Autobahn was SLOW yesterday. Sep 18 09:26:31 timsamoff: During daytime? Sep 18 09:26:34 Wait, what? Sep 18 09:26:39 Open WLAN and open DSME? Sep 18 09:26:44 yeah Sep 18 09:26:48 both on garage Sep 18 09:26:50 Yeah. Morning, though. Sep 18 09:26:50 Hell yes Sep 18 09:27:19 wow Sep 18 09:27:31 Source is available today. Sep 18 09:27:32 actually making them available today?! Sep 18 09:27:33 in theory - people are busy Sep 18 09:27:35 should be up TOODAY Sep 18 09:27:43 in theory ;) Sep 18 09:27:49 was i supposed to already know that? Sep 18 09:27:53 it sounded like he thought it was obviousi Sep 18 09:27:55 hopefully better than the new server theory Sep 18 09:27:58 We live in academia. Sep 18 09:27:58 well at least it is coming very soon Sep 18 09:28:06 i was expecting the answer to be "eventually? months?" Sep 18 09:28:11 brontide, you see the downtime announcement for the server move? Sep 18 09:28:12 23rd Sep 18 09:28:21 alpha this year Sep 18 09:28:21 I had not Sep 18 09:28:34 with weekly snapshots Sep 18 09:28:48 So, uh, open WLAN. Sep 18 09:28:55 What's left tying us to a particular kernel version? Sep 18 09:29:02 brontide, http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/service_break_23_9_2008.html Sep 18 09:29:31 open dsme may lead to a lot of improvements in ABL Sep 18 09:29:42 yeah Sep 18 09:29:50 could maybe finally mess with dimming and light sensor stuff Sep 18 09:29:54 PROPERLY Sep 18 09:29:57 no more ridiculous hacks Sep 18 09:29:59 stupid fading and dimmed levels Sep 18 09:30:38 THIS is so much better than anything ari said in the keynote Sep 18 09:30:38 rm_you, any word on whether they'll be opening DSME 1? Sep 18 09:30:54 maybe this is some of the stuff that texrat and people where laughing about Sep 18 09:31:03 i think thats what they mean Sep 18 09:31:07 ? Sep 18 09:31:15 hopefully Sep 18 09:31:19 i hope so, yeah Sep 18 09:31:24 rm_you: that was my impression as welll since the new hardware will be OHM Sep 18 09:31:38 yeahsom Sep 18 09:31:52 s/yeahsom/yeah/ Sep 18 09:31:54 rm_you meant: yeah Sep 18 09:32:11 scratchbox2 Sep 18 09:32:14 sbox2 is default Sep 18 09:32:29 Somebody tell sjgadsby that Jaiku is lame. Sep 18 09:32:36 maybe Sep 18 09:32:44 he's saying it will at least be optional? Sep 18 09:32:52 lol Sep 18 09:33:04 well tomorrow Sep 18 09:33:06 yeah but it's for a different audience Sep 18 09:33:06 :' Sep 18 09:34:06 hrm Sep 18 09:34:20 Oh, yeah, GA... Council root access to maemo.org? Sep 18 09:34:27 root pw of maemo.org for everyone hehe Sep 18 09:34:27 what *exactly* does he mean by root access Sep 18 09:34:32 timsamoff, what? Sep 18 09:34:33 Will probably happen. Sep 18 09:34:37 Ha Sep 18 09:34:40 * GeneralAntilles is not sure he wants that. Sep 18 09:34:45 i hope he doesnt mean root shell accountlol Sep 18 09:34:47 :) Sep 18 09:34:55 yeah some of the council are not exactly sysadmins :P Sep 18 09:35:01 I always get this impressive of Midgard being held together by bailing wire and duct tape. Sep 18 09:35:08 and I'm going to trip over some of it. Sep 18 09:35:15 probably best leaving most of that to X-Fade Sep 18 09:35:19 I think he means content level. Sep 18 09:35:23 yeah i hope so Sep 18 09:35:32 as a sysadmin i take "root access" very literally, lol Sep 18 09:35:37 Break time. Sep 18 09:35:44 "Wow, um, X-Fade, somehow the front page is linking to goatsecx" Sep 18 09:36:00 timsamoff: preferably not, what if time stops? Sep 18 09:36:15 (sorry, /me is feeling a tad lame today ;) ) Sep 18 09:36:24 just because the counsil has root access does not mean they do day to day management... my boss has sudo access, doesn't mean he uses it all the time Sep 18 09:39:55 Well, that does make me feel a bit better: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=224896&postcount=145 Sep 18 09:40:48 got freshly flashed diablo now in n800, what repositories is wise to add? i have usually put all in gronmayer's but GeneralAntilles said it is not good Sep 18 09:40:57 ~extras Sep 18 09:40:58 well, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Sep 18 09:41:08 bigger, badder... oh and terribly more expensive and longer time for development Sep 18 09:41:15 whoknows Sep 18 09:41:44 General: Have you seen the latest Development page mockup? Sep 18 09:41:56 General: Should I continue with this stuff or is it no longer needed? Sep 18 09:41:57 ok starting back up Sep 18 09:42:34 RST38h, it looks fairly complete to me. Sep 18 09:43:02 I wouldn't worry about investing more time in it. Sep 18 09:43:16 Add it to the potential layouts for the design discussion on saturday. Sep 18 09:43:20 General: Who takes it over from me? Sep 18 09:43:40 yea, I added to the itt thread on the subject Sep 18 09:44:09 Well, I don't think much of the styling will be used. Sep 18 09:44:22 But if people like the layout, I'm sure somebody will step in for the styling. Sep 18 09:45:18 Sounds like waste of time then Sep 18 09:45:19 ok Sep 18 09:54:24 <]-[andful_of_not> Pong! Sep 18 09:55:15 ping? Sep 18 09:55:30 I going backwards today :) Sep 18 09:55:35 too much jet lag on my brain :) Sep 18 09:57:35 lol, he's time traveling. latency: -500ms Sep 18 09:57:48 woo abl is promoted on the slide Sep 18 09:58:15 Anybody ever find where the commits for the HSPA stuff are? Sep 18 09:58:24 LOL Sep 18 09:58:33 adavanced backlight page in the slide Sep 18 09:58:40 as the exampple Sep 18 09:58:42 Woo Sep 18 09:58:46 yeah :P Sep 18 09:58:52 total win Sep 18 09:59:08 :) Sep 18 09:59:48 Get pictures. :P Sep 18 10:00:16 he'll be posting the slides Sep 18 10:00:21 today or tomorrow probably Sep 18 10:00:49 talking about council votes now Sep 18 10:01:28 GeneralAntilles: stand up now Sep 18 10:01:39 * GeneralAntilles waves to the wall. Sep 18 10:01:41 applause :) Sep 18 10:02:24 still confused about you not being here Sep 18 10:02:24 :p Sep 18 10:02:51 Bad scheduling worked itself out too late for sponsorship. Sep 18 10:03:05 23 sep server update Sep 18 10:03:08 bleh Sep 18 10:03:19 * GeneralAntilles couldn't possibly afford a $2000 plane ticket. Sep 18 10:03:31 yeah... Sep 18 10:03:45 Pocket change. Sep 18 10:03:46 Any details on the stlc45xx? Sep 18 10:03:52 Haha. Sep 18 10:03:52 i still think you should have just said "screw it" and signed up right at the beginning Sep 18 10:04:02 rm_you, probably. Sep 18 10:04:15 But I still wouldn't be too happy about the 24 flight. <_< Sep 18 10:04:41 ? Sep 18 10:04:55 it's only like 10 hours from florida prolly Sep 18 10:05:10 No, it's, like, 24 hours. Sep 18 10:05:14 Trust me, I checked. ;) Sep 18 10:05:15 and i'd look at it one leg at a time, not round trip :P Sep 18 10:05:26 from texas it was only 10 >_> Sep 18 10:05:36 Depends where on your maps you're looking for Germany, probably ;) Sep 18 10:05:54 maybe 10:30 Sep 18 10:06:01 Blafasel, this was from the ticketing website. Sep 18 10:06:02 Or are you adding the time difference/jet lag? Sep 18 10:06:22 those sites are wrong Sep 18 10:06:33 they told me the same thing, or more... but it is lies Sep 18 10:06:38 GeneralAntilles: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=122157553423694&w=2 Sep 18 10:06:41 General: From the east coast to .DE it is no more than 9 hours Sep 18 10:06:50 * RST38h should know Sep 18 10:06:53 it was 3:30 to newark and 7:00 to berlin Sep 18 10:07:03 See you in Berlin Sep 18 10:07:09 :P Sep 18 10:07:23 Thanks, taplax. Sep 18 10:08:13 any questions for X-FaDE? Sep 18 10:08:54 General : we did the 24h flight :) it's nice. speacially when you do that every 2 weeks Sep 18 10:08:55 hehehe Sep 18 10:08:57 for either niels breet or dave neary Sep 18 10:09:11 questions? Sep 18 10:10:16 RST38h: JFK -> Belrin was a little under 7 hours, we had a tailwind Sep 18 10:10:41 yeah Newark -> Berlin was slightly under 7, also had a tailwind Sep 18 10:10:43 brontide: even without the tailwind it shouldn't be more than 8 Sep 18 10:10:55 was handy Sep 18 10:11:01 the flight back is a bit longer Sep 18 10:11:04 brontide: 'cause JFK to SVO is 9 Sep 18 10:11:14 brontide: *envy* :) Sep 18 10:11:15 The itenerary listed it as almost 9 Sep 18 10:11:42 * handful is talking to brontide but is actually sitting besides him :) Sep 18 10:11:54 * brontide pokes handful Sep 18 10:12:00 :-P Sep 18 10:12:19 btw, handful, is Canola startup time of 40 seconds normal? Sep 18 10:12:28 lol Sep 18 10:12:36 [python launcher does not affect it much, but quitting and restarting canola takes less] Sep 18 10:12:50 RST38h: first or every startup Sep 18 10:12:56 first startup Sep 18 10:13:02 scanning the filesystem Sep 18 10:13:09 hei Sep 18 10:13:17 only on the first one Sep 18 10:13:20 but.. Sep 18 10:13:23 generating pyc/pyo whatever files for the first time ? Sep 18 10:13:26 do you have more than 16gigas? Sep 18 10:13:33 8GB+2GB internal Sep 18 10:13:51 well, it takes 40 seconds every time I start it up after a reboot Sep 18 10:14:05 Reboot less. :P Sep 18 10:14:25 but hey : the problem is that we are doing integrity check.. Sep 18 10:14:29 but now.. Sep 18 10:14:30 it's going to improve Sep 18 10:14:31 GAN: MicroB insures that I do it fairly often :E Sep 18 10:14:43 because we added Sep 18 10:14:43 handful: cool =) Sep 18 10:15:07 the option to remove that.. Sep 18 10:15:16 handful: if you can skip some checks that are not strictly necessary and bring startup time below 20sec... Sep 18 10:15:24 so you will not pass tht... Sep 18 10:15:27 yes.. Sep 18 10:18:32 the removal of this check Sep 18 10:18:42 will really make things faster if you don't change your library Sep 18 10:20:03 I very rarely do Sep 18 10:20:12 so you will benefit :) Sep 18 10:20:18 you can disable the integrity check :) Sep 18 10:20:22 and refresh manually Sep 18 10:20:45 * RST38h quietly salivates expecting beta 10 any time now =) Sep 18 10:21:22 umac is open now?? Sep 18 10:21:53 yes :) once the guys arrive in the office I am also expecting Sep 18 10:22:04 double relese, canola beta10 and brand new Carman Sep 18 10:22:05 :) Sep 18 10:22:11 Carman is fully EFL now Sep 18 10:22:22 Carman is going to rock my world. Sep 18 10:22:31 no ODB gadget here =( Sep 18 10:22:41 Makes me _really_ want to get a carputer going with the Beagle. Sep 18 10:22:47 Too bad touchscreens are so expensive. Sep 18 10:22:49 General: Have you already got the BT ODB thingie? Sep 18 10:23:12 RST38h, nah, don't have the BT adaptor yet. Sep 18 10:23:13 General : you could try an eepc with the touch kit Sep 18 10:23:14 Just USB Sep 18 10:23:21 hehe Sep 18 10:23:25 handful, I already bought the Beagle. :P Sep 18 10:23:29 I got the package from canola website..and BAM@ Sep 18 10:23:30 hehehe Sep 18 10:23:31 :) Sep 18 10:23:33 nice Sep 18 10:23:34 Besides, Eee isn't ARM. Sep 18 10:23:46 I know Sep 18 10:23:50 but canola doesn't care about it :) Sep 18 10:23:54 hehe Sep 18 10:23:59 but on arm is even easier :) Sep 18 10:23:59 Nah, but I do. ;) Sep 18 10:24:20 GeneralAntilles, your deblet on beagle has caused my work to buy some:) Sep 18 10:24:26 we will eat something! :) see you! Sep 18 10:24:33 StsN800, hehe, and Angstrom didn't? :P Sep 18 10:24:53 * GeneralAntilles really needs to unbrick that thing. . . . Sep 18 10:25:05 GeneralAntilles, we are interested in s-video mostly Sep 18 10:25:42 http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/dc11612c4d6533cf/90981962f702ae12?lnk=raot#90981962f702ae12 Sep 18 10:25:56 http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/8749126d1d38a8b1/0f1f17a44fe344e5?lnk=raot#0f1f17a44fe344e5 Sep 18 10:26:01 Probably both are worth reading for you. Sep 18 10:26:52 ta Sep 18 10:32:51 anyone picked up garage urls for the new stuff? Sep 18 10:38:14 StsN800, https://garage.maemo.org/ Sep 18 10:38:20 Watch the bottom right pane there. Sep 18 10:40:30 Anybody else find this list slightly off? https://garage.maemo.org/softwaremap/trove_cloud.php?form_cat=311 Sep 18 10:41:53 hi Sep 18 10:42:39 Hi, lardman__. Sep 18 10:46:05 HI THERE. Sep 18 11:01:32 Tracker is kind of interesting for Maemo. Sep 18 11:01:48 I really don't think I'll ever have enough data on the tablet to really use something like that. Sep 18 11:02:03 metacrawler replacement? Sep 18 11:03:22 Seems like a possibility. Sep 18 11:06:59 * StsN800 doesn't think dsme release will do so much Sep 18 11:07:10 Why? Sep 18 11:07:16 except if cal.h is along Sep 18 11:07:43 most stuff is already reverse engineered Sep 18 11:08:33 umac release however.. Sep 18 11:16:19 hola Sep 18 11:17:46 StsN800, umac is going to be open? Sep 18 11:18:12 hi @ all Sep 18 11:18:21 qwerty12 are you there? Sep 18 11:18:46 yerga: it is other driver Sep 18 11:19:45 hey, can anybody tell me, whether maemo5 will be available for the n8X0's? Sep 18 11:20:52 thopiekar: no - only for 770 and n927 Sep 18 11:21:10 Sep 18 11:21:20 thpiekar: yes and it will come with software implementation of HSDPA Sep 18 11:21:20 * I'm thinking about selling it.. Sep 18 11:21:26 using your wifi Sep 18 11:21:33 n1^^ Sep 18 11:21:44 * my N800 Sep 18 11:21:48 thopiekar: and what would you buy instead? Sep 18 11:22:01 maybe an eeepc... Sep 18 11:22:12 Atom based netbook to run normal distro not adapted to hardware? Sep 18 11:24:12 nokiaRoXXX Sep 18 11:24:13 ^^ Sep 18 11:24:26 can someone help me here: Sep 18 11:24:26 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19985&highlight=pulse+audio Sep 18 11:25:03 - thanks... Sep 18 11:27:42 yerga, they said something about stlc45xx Sep 18 11:28:08 cx3110x is already Sep 18 11:28:20 is it a new driver? Sep 18 11:30:11 yes Sep 18 11:31:06 hrw, ok thanks Sep 18 11:31:38 hrw: new for n810w or something or for n900? Sep 18 11:32:05 Stskeeps: ask nokia as I can not tell Sep 18 11:32:08 k Sep 18 11:41:01 hrw: stlcx45xx says "Open Source WLAN driver for Nokia N800 and N810. Sep 18 11:41:54 ok. Sep 18 11:41:59 now we wait for source Sep 18 11:42:19 yep Sep 18 11:42:23 i think they're working on it Sep 18 11:42:28 it just appeared open Sep 18 11:44:45 I will not comment Sep 18 11:48:19 it's a http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/bd/12063.pdf so Sep 18 11:49:28 * hrw -> lunch Sep 18 11:52:33 people with 770s, do you prefer OS2006 or OS2007HE? Sep 18 11:52:48 or deblet Sep 18 11:53:27 OS2008HE Sep 18 11:53:34 really? Sep 18 11:53:39 aladds: deblet doesn't exist properly for 770 (yet) Sep 18 11:53:46 i tried that and found it really slow Sep 18 11:53:50 ah ok Sep 18 11:53:59 Did you turn swap on? Sep 18 11:54:00 well i hear you can install it manually Sep 18 11:54:13 i turned the basic 64mb swap on Sep 18 11:54:21 i didn't try expanding it Sep 18 11:54:26 aladds: install deblet manually? yes, but i'm coming up with a better solution soon :P Sep 18 11:54:27 perhaps i should Sep 18 11:54:35 as i'm having a friend work on the port since i dont have a 770 Sep 18 11:54:55 i'm good with manual installs, i've installed Gentoo before Sep 18 11:55:12 on crazy obscure hardware Sep 18 11:55:16 you use os2008he or which atm? Sep 18 11:55:18 (HPPA :D) Sep 18 11:55:27 Hey Sep 18 11:55:29 me? i have OS2007HE no it Sep 18 11:55:40 *on Sep 18 11:55:45 aladds: how much space on / free? Sep 18 11:55:48 it's quite buggy tbh Sep 18 11:55:52 about 9MB :P Sep 18 11:56:00 k Sep 18 11:56:08 i have a 2GB card though Sep 18 11:56:22 can i install 2008 to that? would it be faster? Sep 18 11:56:43 not sure, shouldnt make that much differnece Sep 18 11:56:54 os2007he.. which version is that? 2.2? Sep 18 11:57:00 erm Sep 18 11:57:02 hold n Sep 18 11:57:03 on Sep 18 11:57:04 or 3.2 Sep 18 11:57:08 oh Sep 18 11:57:14 it's 3.something Sep 18 11:57:14 3.2 Sep 18 11:57:17 k Sep 18 11:57:21 Bora Sep 18 11:57:29 yeah Sep 18 11:57:46 Stskeeps, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Release_history Sep 18 11:58:09 although in about it's saying version 4.2008.7-1 Sep 18 11:58:38 Yeah, the build dates for the 770 are different. Sep 18 11:58:42 ah ok Sep 18 11:58:48 I guess I should update the Fremantle stuff. . . . Sep 18 11:59:37 i'll give 2008he a try then Sep 18 12:00:08 i'm thinking if i rename my 256mb swap file, then tell it to make a tiny one, swapoff, mv and swapon it'll be faster than making it again Sep 18 12:00:22 *or* Sep 18 12:00:35 should i install it to the card, with a dedicated swap partition? Sep 18 12:01:27 * Stskeeps wonders idly if binutils at all exists for 2007 Sep 18 12:01:57 can only find it for mistral Sep 18 12:02:29 * aladds doesn't know Sep 18 12:04:12 how much space is there left on / after you install 2008? Sep 18 12:04:22 i'm guessing little Sep 18 12:04:26 think it's small :P Sep 18 12:05:33 mm Sep 18 12:05:55 * aladds goes to find out how hard it would be to install it on a card Sep 18 12:11:32 so i have to clone from the installed image? Sep 18 12:11:56 no way to write the 2008HE image straight from download to card? Sep 18 12:12:25 don't think so Sep 18 12:12:31 ah ok Sep 18 12:24:52 woah Sep 18 12:25:01 460kb free on / :P Sep 18 12:40:29 can i pump the volume up a bit more? Sep 18 12:40:36 max seems awfully quiet Sep 18 12:41:19 woo Sep 18 12:41:24 wifi source online Sep 18 12:43:26 okay.. a bit confusing code Sep 18 12:44:25 Link? Sep 18 12:45:53 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4582/stlc45xx-0.1.3.tar.gz Sep 18 12:46:04 seems like it's a in-house built driver for the chipsets Sep 18 12:46:13 and not the umac/cx3110x combo Sep 18 12:47:07 "This is very much Sep 18 12:47:07 work in progress and contains a lot of bugs. Sep 18 12:48:17 that's my initial analysis atleast Sep 18 12:52:02 working on transcoding and uploading the keynote and dev session Sep 18 12:53:13 rm_you: thank you!!! Sep 18 12:53:30 rm_you: if you get a chance probe them a bit about the wlan driver - it seems to be a oss seperate driver that isn't that complete yet - it's great and all ofcourse, but not 100% what they advertised :P Sep 18 12:53:58 So this isn't for whatever future hardware they've got, this is for N8x0, right? Sep 18 12:54:00 (or atleast what i thought it was :P) Sep 18 12:54:03 GeneralAntilles: aye Sep 18 12:54:28 So, uh, once it's working is there anything else holding us back on the old kernel? Sep 18 12:54:43 that's what i hope as well Sep 18 12:54:56 I know AStorm has done a lot of work to get newer stuff booting. Sep 18 12:55:00 but it says a lot that the readme says dsp, mmc, spi doesn't work Sep 18 12:55:04 So, if you can just drop these drivers in for wifi. . . . Sep 18 12:55:07 and you need to disable watchdogs etc.. Sep 18 12:55:14 but that might be old info Sep 18 12:55:23 so some more info from the developer would be good Sep 18 12:55:29 Hrm, see the TODO? Sep 18 12:56:03 yeah Sep 18 12:56:27 Stskeeps, lol... His WPA key is in that .tar.gz Sep 18 12:56:47 time to hack nokia? Sep 18 12:56:47 :P Sep 18 12:57:00 ;> Sep 18 12:57:16 GeneralAntilles: but under all circumstances it's a great leap forward Sep 18 12:57:24 quite Sep 18 12:57:25 * Stskeeps would personally like to see them do something for the 770 too Sep 18 12:57:38 since it's a similar chip (but not same) Sep 18 12:57:41 well, the n8x0 makes sense Sep 18 12:57:56 I mean, it makes sense to develop it first for that Sep 18 12:58:07 If the effort goes somewhere, it should go to what most people have first. ;) Sep 18 12:58:16 Hey GeneralAntillies why a lite version of maemo.org? Sep 18 12:58:34 andrewfblack, cuz it takes ages to load on 3G Sep 18 12:58:40 andrewfblack, there shouldn't be one. Sep 18 12:58:50 There should be one version Sep 18 12:59:01 and it should be light enough to work on the tablets without issue. Sep 18 12:59:14 GeneralAntillies ok I took the post on itT to be you requested a seporate lite version Sep 18 12:59:51 I don't why I always put the 2nd i in your name lol Sep 18 13:00:07 andrewfblack, nah, I was talking with RST38h about putting together a layout that's lighter than what we've got. Sep 18 13:00:08 andrewfblack, use tab key Sep 18 13:00:14 Not that it should be used as a "lite" version. Sep 18 13:00:19 lol Sep 18 13:00:28 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3722#c2 Sep 18 13:00:32 I've been tagged! Sep 18 13:01:00 crashanddie I'm limited to mibbit at work since they block ports that allow me to connect to IRC so tab wont work for me Sep 18 13:01:22 I thought mibbit had nick completion? Sep 18 13:02:18 GeneralAntilles, tagged as maemo.org ? Sep 18 13:02:22 Yeah Sep 18 13:02:37 nice Sep 18 13:02:41 GeneralAntilles I was wondering, I remember a post a few months back when we had a discussion about a tablet version and you being against it then. I was wondering what changed your mind lol I agree we need a version that runs better, a faster version of Garage would be nice also Sep 18 13:02:41 you're getting pimped up Sep 18 13:03:10 crashanddie: hey what do you know mibbit does have it lol well I feel like an idiot now never tried it on here Sep 18 13:03:29 andrewfblack, no, I'm still against having different versions of the website for different devices if it can be avoided. Sep 18 13:03:29 andrewfblack, glad to be of service Sep 18 13:03:46 lol flying from east coast to berlin differs on where on east coast you board but its usually 10-14 hours Sep 18 13:03:47 yeah, double version == not a good idea Sep 18 13:03:52 _not_ 24 Sep 18 13:03:58 andrewfblack, that's why I really want Minimalist to be expanded to offer all of the features of the default theme. Sep 18 13:04:01 Because I want it to BE the default theme. ;) Sep 18 13:05:05 GeneralAntilles: I would love that to but Reggie hasn't returned one of my PMs on itT in over 2 months now I don't now if I pissed him off with that poll I made about itT needing a few moderators or what but he hasn't replyed to me since so I gave up Sep 18 13:05:44 Also all the features are mostly done for minimalist version of site but it just doesn't have links for all of them Sep 18 13:06:19 GeneralAntilles, is there another NIT con planned? Sep 18 13:06:27 crashanddie, not yet. Sep 18 13:06:51 Can I ask for the next one to be in... London? :P Sep 18 13:07:04 No, it's gonna be in Houston or Dallas. :P Sep 18 13:07:18 GeneralAntilles: I wish only a few hours drive for me Sep 18 13:07:21 GeneralAntilles, btw, I found round trips London-East Coast for $600 Sep 18 13:07:36 crashanddie, I just priced Tampa to Berlin a few hours ago Sep 18 13:07:45 It's less than half the price it was a month ago when I was looking for the Summit Sep 18 13:07:50 I know Sep 18 13:07:50 ~$800 now Sep 18 13:07:58 it was ~$1600-$2000 Sep 18 13:08:12 well, booking during the summer is always a big no no Sep 18 13:09:24 How's your beagle board going? Sep 18 13:09:30 Still bricked Sep 18 13:09:47 I got it to recover from the SD once Sep 18 13:09:52 Haven't been able to manage it again. Sep 18 13:09:59 #beagle has been no help. Sep 18 13:10:24 I'm waiting until I have access to a real Linux machine in a couple weeks. Sep 18 13:10:42 ok Sep 18 13:11:44 Almost makes me wish for Nokia's bootloader. Sep 18 13:12:03 USB recovery would be a lot more straightforward. Sep 18 13:15:19 http://flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2865773936/ Sep 18 13:15:26 "binary only initfs utility for providing calibration data to the new open source driver stlc45xx" Sep 18 13:15:30 oh pffft. Sep 18 13:16:06 Those lanyards are pretty hot. Sep 18 13:17:01 * Stskeeps isn't sure what it's supposed to be that photo Sep 18 13:17:03 except for qole :P Sep 18 13:20:26 sjgadsby seems to be the only one uploading photos so far. Sep 18 13:24:19 think people need to play with 2.6.26-omap kernels and try out kernel atleast - doesn't seem compilable in kernel-diablo-source Sep 18 13:24:59 kernel = stlc driver Sep 18 13:26:31 but i think qwerty12 will be on it like ants on a marmelade sandwich Sep 18 13:26:32 :P Sep 18 13:27:56 He's been quiet lately. Sep 18 13:28:25 school work methinks Sep 18 13:28:43 Likely Sep 18 13:28:47 Poor kids these days Sep 18 13:29:19 i got so dragged into my open source project when i was 14 i skipped like 70% of the school year :P Sep 18 13:30:26 tech was so much better than schoolwork :P Sep 18 13:30:34 Hehe Sep 18 13:33:13 i'm kinda worried about the idea of fremantle not nessecarily(sp) being for n800/810 Sep 18 13:33:17 though Sep 18 13:33:22 Yeah Sep 18 13:33:28 We'll see what happens, I suppose. Sep 18 13:33:31 that just really increases the need for an alternative :P Sep 18 13:33:36 and openness of drivers and such Sep 18 13:33:47 On one hand, it means they can do much cooler stuff with the new hardware. Sep 18 13:33:51 yeah Sep 18 13:34:07 But on the other, I'd really not like to have another 770 situation. Sep 18 13:34:20 ESPECIALLY after they said "2 rounds of support for each tablet" Sep 18 13:34:37 my goal is to service 770, n800 and n810 with deblet, atleast.. and do what i can to make it up to sanity like maemo Sep 18 13:36:05 but atleast, nokia is going in the right direction Sep 18 13:36:16 Yeah Sep 18 13:37:02 Even if they don't get support, we'll at least know it's less of a "planned obsolescence" thing than a matter of necessity. Sep 18 13:37:19 yeah Sep 18 13:38:40 my only worry with debian is the fact they target the "common" instruction set.. and if that harms performance/power usage etc Sep 18 13:38:55 where mojo ubuntu port has an advantage there Sep 18 13:39:07 On an unrelated note, I now know why timeless and sp3000 might not want tags by their names in Bugzilla. ;) Sep 18 13:39:31 mm? Sep 18 13:39:58 The (Nokia) or (maemo.org) tags next to your name in Bugzilla. Sep 18 13:40:05 ah Sep 18 13:40:09 Hasty ARMv5EL completed Sep 18 13:40:10 interesting Sep 18 13:40:23 time for Ublet? Sep 18 13:40:23 :P Sep 18 13:41:17 Ublet Sep 18 13:41:18 Ha Sep 18 13:42:10 but that's interesting from POV that it uses upstart for instance Sep 18 13:42:47 and any "deblet" packages can be directly transfered Sep 18 13:46:16 GeneralAntilles: wah Sep 18 14:00:56 GeneralAntilles: I was thinking about the minimal theme on itT see if you can get ahold of Reggie sometimes maybe he will listen to you and let me do some more work to it. If not I'm going to come up with some way to access all the pages I have done that just don't have link on the minimal theme. Sep 18 14:03:19 Hehe Sep 18 14:03:22 I'll give it a shot. Sep 18 14:03:36 I suspect I've expended most of my points with Reggie in other places, though. ;) Sep 18 14:04:55 I've thought about making a quick links page to stuff like Subscriptions and other stuff wouldn't be as good as working it into the theme though Sep 18 14:19:11 Eduardo. :) Sep 18 14:19:37 Hey Tim Sep 18 14:20:08 Andrew! How's it going? Sep 18 14:22:28 yO! Sep 18 14:22:35 i'm here at room II Sep 18 14:22:56 Ah... Here in room 1 w/ your other cohort. Sep 18 14:23:12 marcio Sep 18 14:23:16 the fake german guy Sep 18 14:23:17 :D Sep 18 14:23:23 Ha! Sep 18 14:23:36 A funny fake German. Sep 18 14:31:22 How was dinner last night? Sep 18 14:32:00 GeneralAntilles: tasty! Sep 18 14:32:00 :D Sep 18 14:33:12 these cloning tutorials confuse me Sep 18 14:33:26 ~boot-sd Sep 18 14:33:27 from memory, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Sep 18 14:33:53 i thought if you're going to partition the card, you'd want to have ~256MB swap and the rest / Sep 18 14:34:04 but they all tell you to make dos partitions Sep 18 14:35:05 We had some tuna...er...chicken that was very tasty. :) Sep 18 14:35:30 More swap then RAM is asking for trouble. Sep 18 14:35:32 wasn't it chicken with tuna taste? or the other way roind? Sep 18 14:35:54 really? Sep 18 14:35:59 Yes. Sep 18 14:36:00 but on a 770... Sep 18 14:36:16 Hmmm... Can't remember now. :p Sep 18 14:36:23 The swap is slow enough that if you're actually in a situation where you'd need more than 128MB of RAM, the system would be swapping so much that it'd be unusable. Sep 18 14:36:33 I was more interested to hear how it went with Ari, actually. :P Sep 18 14:36:43 iirc from my early linux days (when ram was expensive) 3x real ram was alright Sep 18 14:36:46 but ok Sep 18 14:36:57 so you'd say 128MB as an absolute maximum? Sep 18 14:37:00 aladds, maybe on a hard drive that can actually push more than 20MB/s Sep 18 14:37:07 But not on ~10MB/s flash memory. Sep 18 14:37:09 Ari is actually very personable -- great personality. Sep 18 14:37:29 hmm ok Sep 18 14:37:43 He genuinely seems to want to interact w/ the community more -- and more open. Sep 18 14:38:19 Quim gave us (council) a couple of directives. Sep 18 14:38:27 He's typically not understood the whole "open source thing" very well. Sep 18 14:38:35 So it's nice to see that he may finally be coming around. Sep 18 14:38:47 I think he's coming around. Sep 18 14:39:05 Orders from the mothership? :D Sep 18 14:39:18 Definitely. Sep 18 14:39:36 1. The root access/maemo.org thing. Sep 18 14:40:10 2. Reduce his Maemo Community workload by at least 1 hour/week. Sep 18 14:41:43 That sounds easy enough. Sep 18 14:42:16 Yeah... Start easy. ;) Sep 18 14:43:15 Though I might like to hear some ideas from him on where he'd like us to take up slack. Sep 18 14:44:31 There are some... Too difficult to add everything here. One way is to reduce his hunting/pecking of Maemo issues. Sep 18 14:45:07 Hrm, that might go back to the blog, no? Sep 18 14:45:50 Yes. We'll need to communicate that to Quim (i.e., plans, process, etc.). Sep 18 14:46:09 Did Jaffa talk to you about the upgrade repo stuff? Sep 18 14:46:37 No. Haven't talked to him today. Sep 18 14:48:51 this is a matter for maemo summit tomorrow Sep 18 14:49:05 i have about 3 pages to discuss with the guys there Sep 18 14:49:38 drag in some discussion questions on how complete the released wifi driver is :P Sep 18 14:49:47 cos i'm not sure if it's an old README or not Sep 18 14:50:20 There's a session scheduled for it. Sep 18 14:50:25 today at the dev sesh they haven't answered main concerns... Sep 18 14:50:50 Stskeeps: i'm afraid it's the "working" driver Sep 18 14:50:50 :P Sep 18 14:50:57 https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008 15:00, Connectivity by Kalle Valo Sep 18 14:51:59 etrunko_lap: hehe.. as in, "it works but it isn't perfect". it's not umac for sure :) but the conversion to 2.6.22 network layer is brilliant. Sep 18 14:55:38 Hola Sep 18 14:59:08 oh Sep 18 15:01:22 Stskeeps: is there an initial debootstrap for deblet or will i have to make one? Sep 18 15:01:50 aladds: get binutils and get debootstrap .deb from debian's packages Sep 18 15:01:52 that's first step Sep 18 15:01:57 and see if they fit on tablet Sep 18 15:02:04 will OS2006 be ok? Sep 18 15:02:05 i think os2006 binutils package should work on os2007he Sep 18 15:02:07 yes Sep 18 15:02:11 it's actually better :P Sep 18 15:02:16 :) Sep 18 15:02:29 be aware that the 770 support in deblet is -not- complete Sep 18 15:02:34 that's ok Sep 18 15:02:35 you will need your usb cable and usbnet Sep 18 15:02:40 as long as i get wifi? Sep 18 15:02:48 that's a possibility Sep 18 15:03:00 heya Sep 18 15:03:11 wassap Sep 18 15:04:07 even if there's no package for deblet, could i somehow use the driver from maemo anyway? Sep 18 15:04:19 aladds: yeah Sep 18 15:04:21 cool Sep 18 15:04:33 ^^ Sep 18 15:04:41 another thing Sep 18 15:04:41 wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/b/binutils/binutils_2.16.91cs2005q3.2-5.osso1_armel.deb Sep 18 15:04:44 heh i am getting used to this keyboard Sep 18 15:04:47 i have a macbook here Sep 18 15:04:49 its pretty neat Sep 18 15:04:52 aladds: does it do USBnet? Sep 18 15:04:57 i don't know Sep 18 15:05:09 sts Sep 18 15:05:09 should i install ubuntu or debian in xVM? Sep 18 15:05:16 i got amsn video working hehehe Sep 18 15:05:31 debian is better supported Sep 18 15:05:35 Jaredu_n810: neat Sep 18 15:05:42 works better than ubuntu i think Sep 18 15:05:45 debian it is Sep 18 15:05:50 aladds: mac should detect it without problems Sep 18 15:05:55 you may need to set ip addresses manually Sep 18 15:05:55 android works quite nicely as well Sep 18 15:05:58 really? Sep 18 15:06:08 i think Sep 18 15:06:16 well we can try :) Sep 18 15:06:22 theres a good tutorial for installing debian on it Sep 18 15:06:35 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23592&highlight=usb+networking+mac -> aladds Sep 18 15:06:52 not sure where the link is though, possibly internettabletschool Sep 18 15:06:55 ahh Sep 18 15:07:25 omg lol i love this keyboard now that im used to it Sep 18 15:07:30 aladds: this isn't going to be a one-day project though :P Sep 18 15:07:45 Stskeeps: i have a little while to do this Sep 18 15:07:51 it's all good :) Sep 18 15:07:52 is there any way on the n810 to use the virtual keyboard? Sep 18 15:08:05 Heya. Sep 18 15:08:14 Anyone more then me having trouble starting gizmo? Sep 18 15:08:15 i havent been able to find the option Sep 18 15:08:20 Jaredu_n810: i think if you close the keyboard Sep 18 15:08:43 it doesnt pop up... hmm Sep 18 15:08:44 aladds: but get the binutils above and http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10_all.deb and see if it fits on your tablet Sep 18 15:09:02 that's first step :P Sep 18 15:09:08 zha lemme try Sep 18 15:09:18 i'm trying to get wget onto it atm Sep 18 15:09:19 :S Sep 18 15:09:23 ah Sep 18 15:09:28 0th step Sep 18 15:09:29 :P Sep 18 15:10:03 xml error in gizmo Sep 18 15:10:08 login error Sep 18 15:10:17 strange it worked fine yesterday Sep 18 15:10:29 Jaredu_n810: I have that too Sep 18 15:10:39 hmmm Sep 18 15:10:40 Jaredu_n810: if you find out why, please tell me :-) Sep 18 15:10:47 maybe the servers are down? Sep 18 15:10:57 Could be... Sep 18 15:11:11 okay, dinnertime Sep 18 15:11:14 bbl an hour or so Sep 18 15:11:19 I think they should give a better error though Sep 18 15:11:19 moat likely Sep 18 15:11:24 most Sep 18 15:11:27 well Sep 18 15:11:42 i just got my tablet yesterday and it worked fine then Sep 18 15:12:01 so... something happened last night Sep 18 15:12:08 Oh, well, welcome then. :-) Sep 18 15:12:20 and if you are getting the same error then it must be on tgheir side Sep 18 15:12:28 Probabl Sep 18 15:12:29 y Sep 18 15:12:29 hehheh Sep 18 15:12:54 i got video working on amsn though, just no sound Sep 18 15:13:06 Well, then i have time to set up asterisk and jabber then. :-) Sep 18 15:13:16 After that, i'll be hardcore cryptation'er! Sep 18 15:15:15 OS2006 is *so* fast compared to the hacker editions :P Sep 18 15:19:06 I need to get a working x86-chroot so i can get the SDL working... i really want to write my own calendar. The GPE-suite does not work like i want it too. Sep 18 15:20:02 SDK Sep 18 15:22:13 heh a calendar would be nice Sep 18 15:22:26 mCalendar Sep 18 15:22:33 oh? Sep 18 15:22:39 yeah, mCalendar is nice Sep 18 15:22:45 ill have to look at that Sep 18 15:23:05 general aren't you the one i spoke to the other day? Sep 18 15:23:14 gpe calendar with google sync is nice as well Sep 18 15:23:22 indeed Sep 18 15:23:26 hmm Sep 18 15:23:57 where could i get mypaint...? Sep 18 15:24:12 or some photoshop esque program Sep 18 15:24:27 Jaredu_n810: errr, maemo.org? Sep 18 15:24:40 mmk lol Sep 18 15:24:52 btw gizmo is working again now Sep 18 15:24:54 Jaredu_n810, quite possibly. What about? Sep 18 15:25:10 video chat i think, as well as themes Sep 18 15:25:26 Maybe, don't recall. Sep 18 15:25:43 kk lol Sep 18 15:25:53 ages ago on here someone gave me the address of a mirror of http://bgran.net/etrunko/apt Sep 18 15:26:05 does anyone remember what it was? :-$ Sep 18 15:26:08 zhaozhou gizmo ish working again Sep 18 15:26:21 hmm Sep 18 15:26:39 one question Sep 18 15:26:52 how do i set the 256 flash as ram? Sep 18 15:27:48 Er Sep 18 15:27:49 I'll try again then, thanks Jaredu_n810 :-) Sep 18 15:27:54 np man Sep 18 15:27:56 The built-in NAND? Sep 18 15:28:00 yeah Sep 18 15:28:06 you don't? Sep 18 15:28:07 or expandable Sep 18 15:28:22 Well, you could. Sep 18 15:28:24 either one i got a 4gb card coming Sep 18 15:28:26 mmm, do you mean how to use it as swa? Sep 18 15:28:26 I wouldn't, though. Sep 18 15:28:36 swap. Sep 18 15:28:43 i know you can extend 256 of the flash as ram Sep 18 15:28:49 swap yes Sep 18 15:28:59 I'd just leave a small FAT partition on one of your cards and use that. Sep 18 15:29:06 The NAND isn't exactly . . . expendable. Sep 18 15:29:12 ah ok Sep 18 15:29:15 and swap will nuke it fairly quickly. Sep 18 15:29:21 oh? Sep 18 15:29:26 shimata lol Sep 18 15:29:33 well Sep 18 15:29:45 Just leave a FAT partition on one of the cards. Sep 18 15:29:48 i got the 4gb for 7$ so is expendable Sep 18 15:29:56 heh Sep 18 15:30:32 Jaredu_n810: No built-in wear levelling, so using it as swap would kill it quickly, unless you use a swap file on the jffs2 (the filesystem) instead, which isn't smart for other reasons. Sep 18 15:30:37 ups is slow though =( Sep 18 15:30:45 hmm Sep 18 15:30:47 (that was about the 256MB nand) Sep 18 15:30:47 darn Sep 18 15:31:35 oh well 128 ram is 4x what my mylo2 has so im happy enough Sep 18 15:31:42 The cards will probably be faster than the built-in NAND, anyway. Sep 18 15:31:47 Yep Sep 18 15:32:15 Mylo2 is 32MB?! Sep 18 15:32:34 Jaredu_n810, just put the swap on the card. Sep 18 15:32:52 It'll be faster and safer. Sep 18 15:37:59 so the internal 2GB flash has no wear levelling? Sep 18 15:38:34 The 256MB flash doesn't, don't know about the 2GB. Sep 18 15:39:07 the 2GB does, it is basically just a soldered on SD-card Sep 18 15:39:10 Just run a 'mount' command and see what kind of filesystem is mounted. If it's jffs2 it doesn't have wl, if it's vfat it does. Sep 18 15:39:10 RST38h, jffs2 is its wear-levenig. Sep 18 15:39:15 Er Sep 18 15:39:20 * GeneralAntilles read 2Gb. Sep 18 15:39:30 Ah Sep 18 15:39:40 Mek is correct, it's just a soldered on SD card. Sep 18 15:39:42 * RST38h does not use swap though. Too scary. Sep 18 15:39:47 It's managed. Sep 18 15:43:10 jffs2 on 2GB would take about a week to mount. Sep 18 15:46:53 Fuck, I am tired of S60 users... Sep 18 15:46:56 [sorry] Sep 18 15:47:00 Ha Sep 18 15:47:10 Well, do they make you money? Sep 18 15:47:28 They do, but they cause trouble for months afterwards Sep 18 15:47:46 Charge extra for support. ;) Sep 18 15:48:13 * RST38h will reluctantly degrade user support by requiring poor punters to buy stuff every time they change a phone Sep 18 15:49:22 from where can i get gainroot for OS2006? Sep 18 15:51:45 see you tomorrow on summit Sep 18 15:54:34 I'm completely surprised no one has hacked up a mylo2 Sep 18 15:54:43 With 32MB of RAM? Sep 18 15:54:49 It's a SONY! Sep 18 15:54:54 it's 128MB RAM I'm pretty sure Sep 18 15:56:07 hi id like to change the icons of Xournal. how may I do that? Sep 18 15:56:13 is there a config file somewhere? Sep 18 15:57:21 greetings Sep 18 15:57:44 how is the summit doing? Sep 18 15:57:46 darx: icons are in /usr/share/icons Sep 18 15:58:43 so maybe its best to make one partition for swap jffs2, and the rest data? Sep 18 15:59:01 RST38h: it's not just the icons that i need to change. i need to remap the zoom buttons to the select , vertical space and hand tools Sep 18 15:59:23 dystopia, what are you planning to swap to? Sep 18 15:59:31 sorry for the confusing original question Sep 18 15:59:49 darx: you are probably out of luck with those unless you are willing to modify the source code and recompile Sep 18 16:00:06 Ouch Sep 18 16:00:15 i have 2 GB SD as ext2 right now, and had 64 MB swap on it Sep 18 16:00:28 Why is everybody so sure that OMAP3 and a hires camera will add cost? Sep 18 16:00:31 ah, ok, you just confused me by mentioning jffs2... Sep 18 16:00:53 just wanted to make sure you weren't going to try and swap to that 256MB of built-in NAND... Sep 18 16:01:08 i think i'll make one partition swap, one vfat, and one ext3, with vfat for wayfinder Sep 18 16:01:18 by the way the last system update was really great Sep 18 16:01:30 whats button2 and button3? Sep 18 16:01:33 now its must faster Sep 18 16:01:42 there's an option to configure that. Sep 18 16:02:13 dystopia, jffs2 is only for unmanaged NAND. Sep 18 16:02:14 darx: most likely hw buttons Sep 18 16:02:58 dystopia: the way I understand things (and please correct me if I am wrong) the idea is to have a FAT partition on an external card for the swap Sep 18 16:03:31 there seems to be an obesity epidemic with partitions nowadays Sep 18 16:03:37 RST38h, one can allocate a whole swap partition if one wants Sep 18 16:03:38 where are all the THIN partitions? Sep 18 16:03:41 [which makes me wonder what happens with the FAT table itself - doesn't it wear out and die after a while?] Sep 18 16:03:55 dystopia, that sounds fine. a swap file probably won't be much slower on flash though and it would be more flexible Sep 18 16:04:14 RST38h: It would, if there wasn't wear levelling.. Sep 18 16:04:27 tat3, it will anyways...after a long time Sep 18 16:04:42 wear leveling isn't a silver bullet, depending on how it's implemented... Sep 18 16:04:53 johnx_: saw the oss wifi driver announcement btw? Sep 18 16:05:01 Stskeeps, O_o Sep 18 16:05:02 nope Sep 18 16:05:05 * johnx_ looks Sep 18 16:05:17 sure.. years, though. Hasn't happened to me yet, but then again the cards I bought back then were 32MB Sep 18 16:05:30 iirc, there was a post online about someone mounting a usb stick in "pedantic" mode on a desktop linux install, and then copied over a large number of files... Sep 18 16:05:42 end result, the sector holding the FAT was burned out... Sep 18 16:05:50 aladds: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23547 - the ones from ch# are -not- valid anymore Sep 18 16:05:53 there was some trouble i had with vfat only on SD thats why i created ext2 but i dont remember what was going wrong Sep 18 16:06:01 RST38h, SD cards have hardware wear leveling. Sep 18 16:06:07 hello, I have a beginner type of a question Sep 18 16:06:12 there's a rather interesting whitepaper on an implementation of wear leveling for mmc. I can dig it up if anyone's interested Sep 18 16:06:31 Jabone, go ahead :) Sep 18 16:06:45 t_s_o: I remember reading an article about flash, it said that the FAT table (the one in the top dir) is accessed so many times during file updates that without wear levelling you could easily reach 100,000 writes in a very short time. Sep 18 16:07:01 I can't install maemo becouse http://repository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/tools/Release.gpg cannot be fetched Sep 18 16:07:11 i mean the maemo-sdk-dev package Sep 18 16:07:17 or any other packages Sep 18 16:07:33 johnx_: is on ITT under "osim maemo developer session" Sep 18 16:07:35 Jabone, is it an error or warning? Sep 18 16:07:49 indeed, thats if its updated each time a file is deleted or written. but if its updated in a more cached way (for lack of a better term) it will last longer Sep 18 16:07:53 it says that when doing apt-get update in scratchbox Sep 18 16:07:56 Stskeeps, jeez. I leave for 12 hours and crazy stuff happens Sep 18 16:08:08 johnx_: oh, and dsme is getting oss'ed too Sep 18 16:08:10 (not yet) Sep 18 16:08:19 johnx_: which is obvious becouse that file doesn't exists on server Sep 18 16:08:32 thats really the problem if how fat is mounted in linux, you either have "write down every change right damn now" or you have "buffer and write when you have the time"... Sep 18 16:08:47 therefor you cant really do writes and then just yank the stick Sep 18 16:08:52 Jabone, right. the repositories aren't signed. it should allow you to go ahead anyways Sep 18 16:08:54 it's just a warning, IIRC Sep 18 16:09:14 t_s_o, right, sync or async Sep 18 16:09:35 Stskeeps, I figured it would be eventually. We'll never get bme though... Sep 18 16:09:42 johnx_: yeah it askes if i want to install then without verification but failes anyway Sep 18 16:10:05 johnx_: not that fatal as long as hald-addon-bme exists.. and that's fair though Sep 18 16:10:07 gives error: Unable to fetch some archives... Sep 18 16:10:18 i think someone tried to suggest some middle road between them at one time, but things never got any traction Sep 18 16:10:19 t_s_o: umount the stick.. that flushes the data. afaik that's how windows works too (that click to safely remove..) Sep 18 16:10:21 Jabone, what is the failure message? can you just pastebin the output? Sep 18 16:10:37 johnx_: I can pastebin that Sep 18 16:10:51 Jabone, cool. that would help Sep 18 16:11:31 tat3: i know, and doing it that way makes a bit more sense in linux then it does in windows (where mounting never was much of a topic until NT started to become the norm) Sep 18 16:11:46 johnx_: http://pastebin.com/m5a556f29, thats the apt-get update Sep 18 16:12:59 Jabone, alright, you have some problems with DNS, which seems to be somewhat common Sep 18 16:13:12 unfortunately I don't use scratchbox these days...anyone have ideas? Sep 18 16:13:39 make sure /scratchbox/etc/resolc.conf is correct? Sep 18 16:13:46 (as well as (in scratchbox) /etc/resolv.conf) Sep 18 16:14:34 what's supposed to be there? Sep 18 16:14:57 the same as in /etc/resolv.conf outside scratchbox would probably work Sep 18 16:15:03 ok Sep 18 16:15:28 I think there is the problem becouse it says nameserver 127.0.0.1 Sep 18 16:15:41 Who can help me to upload a package to maemo-extras? Sep 18 16:17:04 Jabone: That's what my scratchbox says as well, and it works ok. Sep 18 16:17:47 tat3: for me it didn't work but I replaced it and now it works Sep 18 16:18:01 for me it sometimes worked, and with 'fixed' resolv.conf files it always worked... Sep 18 16:18:47 jabone: Maybe your 'dnsmasq' server isn't running. I think that's what scratchbox uses (just like the NITs) Sep 18 16:19:22 tat3: might be, I just installed maemo-sdk with minimal settings Sep 18 16:21:17 tmpsantos: Sep 18 16:21:21 ~upload-extras Sep 18 16:21:21 extra, extra, read all about it, upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Sep 18 16:21:55 tat3: when I try to start dnsmasq it says Permission denied Sep 18 16:22:24 I think that's (to be) handled automatically by scratchbox when you start it. Sep 18 16:22:58 But it's been a very long time since I originally installed scratchbox so I don't remember if there were any setup details about that. Sep 18 16:23:28 I did follow all the steps though. Sep 18 16:23:37 it was when I first started scratchbox it said that permission denied Sep 18 16:23:44 aha Sep 18 16:23:57 then I had to put newgrp sbox Sep 18 16:24:08 and got scratchbox running Sep 18 16:32:19 ok Sep 18 16:32:23 im back Sep 18 16:32:28 had a customer lol Sep 18 16:33:26 IRC at work? Sep 18 16:33:28 For shame! Sep 18 16:34:28 lol Sep 18 16:34:49 btw i can garuntee you that the mylo 2 only has 32mb ram Sep 18 16:35:04 Jaredu_n810, the mylo1 had 64MB Sep 18 16:35:07 it often gives me the out of memory error Sep 18 16:35:13 hmm Sep 18 16:35:19 maybe it was 64 Sep 18 16:35:31 but i cant run more than 3 apps at once Sep 18 16:35:48 that doesn't mean anything except poor programing Sep 18 16:35:51 and the n810 is a bajillion times faster Sep 18 16:35:55 heh Sep 18 16:36:18 Really? Sep 18 16:36:20 Interesting. Sep 18 16:37:01 GeneralAntilles, I'd believe it. The omap2 is a pretty competitive processor vs other ARMs at 300-400MHz Sep 18 16:38:16 Well, I'd figure the Mylo2 would be carryin a lot less baggage. Sep 18 16:38:58 GeneralAntilles, have you seen its interface? Sep 18 16:39:36 Flashy? ;) Sep 18 16:39:45 I only played with the original for about 3 minutes in a Sony store. Sep 18 16:39:50 well, it looks pretty damn slick actually Sep 18 16:40:19 in fact, the usability of the main menu beats the heck out of the tablets at first glance Sep 18 16:40:32 the problem is that it's only skin deep Sep 18 16:40:56 ...and that no one has gotten off their lazy @$$es and hacked it open to play with Sep 18 16:41:27 it makes me want to find one used for cheap, hack it, then ask the whole mylo owners group what they've been doing the past couple years Sep 18 16:42:04 u wanna join our wow guild???? Sep 18 16:42:44 ahahaha Sep 18 16:42:49 approximately Sep 18 16:45:15 * tat3 googles mylo2 Sep 18 16:46:05 I'm already on page two of the reviews, and not one of them says how much RAM it's got.. only that it has 1GB of flash. Sep 18 16:46:32 it either has 1GB of RAM or 0MB of RAM depending on who you ask Sep 18 16:46:41 it might also have a 0MHz celeron Sep 18 16:46:55 I want one of those. Sep 18 16:47:12 I think it's internal hardware is in a state of quantum flux Sep 18 16:47:30 I _really_ want one of those. Sep 18 16:47:52 Maybe it uses the flash as exec-in-place nvram, just as the Palm T5, TX and Lifedrive ..? Sep 18 16:48:11 Schrödinger's CPU? Sep 18 16:48:16 GeneralAntilles, yeah, well it's all fun and games until your handheld tears a gaping hole in space-time Sep 18 16:48:32 "You can never know the amount of RAM and Flash at the same time" Sep 18 16:48:42 tat3, or maybe most review sites can't tell RAM from flash from a hole in the ground Sep 18 16:48:49 Hehe Sep 18 16:49:18 http://www.pocketables.net/2008/02/sony-mylo-2-com.html Sep 18 16:49:22 Or maybe it's slow because the RAM IS flash. . . . Sep 18 16:49:33 er, NAND, that is. Sep 18 16:50:08 That's the Palm nvram approach.. Sep 18 16:50:25 (unlike the older Palms) Sep 18 16:50:40 well, xip is actually a neat idea Sep 18 16:50:51 coming back into popularity in linux even :) Sep 18 16:51:12 Yes, support in the fs now Sep 18 16:51:58 er, right. Sep 18 16:52:00 * GeneralAntilles dumbass. Sep 18 16:53:37 It looks quite nice though.. hadn't seen it before. And free wi-fi in McDonalds out 2009.. problem is, I never set my foot in those places :) Sep 18 16:53:53 * tat3 hates junk food Sep 18 16:53:59 Ha Sep 18 16:54:12 * tat3 hangs around the corner to sneak on the wi-fi instead Sep 18 16:54:25 Hooray 3G Sep 18 16:54:36 GeneralAntilles, now if only it was integrated... Sep 18 16:54:42 No thanks. Sep 18 16:54:44 right, i finally have root and wget Sep 18 16:54:46 :P Sep 18 16:54:46 It's cheaper this way. Sep 18 16:54:47 here we go... Sep 18 16:55:01 GeneralAntilles, I know...just messing with you Sep 18 16:55:06 Stskeeps: you still here? Sep 18 16:55:42 those links you gave me have disappeared off the top of my chat window :P Sep 18 16:55:43 aladds: mm? Sep 18 16:55:54 aladds: but get the binutils above and http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10_all.deb and see if it fits on your tablet Sep 18 16:56:03 wget http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/b/binutils/binutils_2.16.91cs2005q3.2-5.osso1_armel.deb Sep 18 16:56:07 thanks Sep 18 16:56:09 aladds: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23547 - the ones from ch# are -not- valid anymore Sep 18 16:56:26 what did you mean by that last one? Sep 18 16:56:43 the two links in the ch# bit? Sep 18 16:57:16 So, somebody enlighten the clueless, does the new open driver get us any closer to master mode? Sep 18 16:57:17 in the post it starts mentioning stuff from ch# - it's not valid anymore Sep 18 16:57:34 righto Sep 18 17:00:11 binutils installed Sep 18 17:00:16 how much space left? Sep 18 17:00:50 after debootstrap too, 44MB Sep 18 17:01:11 hold on Sep 18 17:01:15 i was playing a bit Sep 18 17:01:20 so i'll delete gizmo too :P Sep 18 17:01:31 how much space do i need? Sep 18 17:02:00 GeneralAntilles, did we get a confirmation of fremantle on n8x0 hardware? Sep 18 17:02:54 johnx_, no, it's still up in the air. Sep 18 17:03:02 heh Sep 18 17:03:03 By that I mean, Nokia still isn't sure. Sep 18 17:03:12 oooh...even better Sep 18 17:04:55 well the parts we need to backport will be mostly available this time Sep 18 17:06:47 At least we know it's not because they don't want to for some planned obsolescence nonsense, but because the hardware is just too much of a hurdle. Sep 18 17:06:58 aladds: well i'm just curious how much space binutils+debootstrap takes up :P Sep 18 17:07:21 binutils uses 6.8MB Sep 18 17:07:38 debootstrap doesn't use that mch Sep 18 17:07:46 I am sure they can keep the os but upgrade the apps though Sep 18 17:08:00 GeneralAntilles, and all because they couldn't be bothered to do things right a long time ago... Sep 18 17:08:18 debootstrap uses 0.3MB Sep 18 17:08:18 RST38h, well it depends on if they backport the libraries they need for new apps Sep 18 17:08:34 debootstrap on desktop: Installed-Size: 260 (that's KB) Sep 18 17:08:37 johnx: they can upgrade the libraries too Sep 18 17:08:46 johnx: Only low level stuff needs to stay the same Sep 18 17:09:10 bbiab Sep 18 17:09:12 their apps run on x86 though, so no reason why they would not run on omap3 with an older kernel Sep 18 17:09:18 omap2, sorry Sep 18 17:09:27 aladds: and how much did you untill? Sep 18 17:09:33 uninstall Sep 18 17:09:50 RST38h, this is the same situation as the 770. if they didn't do it then, what makes you think they'll do it now? Sep 18 17:10:35 amount of users using HE's maybe? Sep 18 17:10:44 johnx: well, n8x0 OS is like two generations down from 770 Sep 18 17:11:03 johnx: so, at this stage, system apis are unlikely to change that much Sep 18 17:11:16 RST38h, but the issues haven't changed. backporting takes time and doesn't sell new hardware Sep 18 17:11:46 It does, and it does not Sep 18 17:11:46 But it helps keeping the user base Sep 18 17:11:46 Well, at least we've got open WLAN now. Sep 18 17:11:46 So we wont be stuck with an ancient kernel. Sep 18 17:12:10 The problem could be if there's a lot of 3D-software or other sw that uses non-CPU features. Not much use trying to backport that. Sep 18 17:12:11 GeneralAntilles, that is nice. That's already more than they were required to do Sep 18 17:12:15 If it takes 1 man-month to do and makes your users happy... Sep 18 17:12:27 johnx_: the Dream is coming out soon :) Sep 18 17:12:38 tat3: there is no need for this stuff in mail client, web browser, etc Sep 18 17:12:52 True. And that's what I use :) Sep 18 17:13:02 RST38h, what if it requires constant work to keep the backports up-to-date? What if it takes several programmers? Sep 18 17:13:20 anyways, this is all hypothetical Sep 18 17:13:27 all we can do is wait and see Sep 18 17:13:42 I'm hedging my bets though :) Sep 18 17:16:20 neat thing that can be done with the new wifi driver (if it performs ok) .. unionfs kernel compiles :> Sep 18 17:16:26 (overflow to sd, maybe?) Sep 18 17:18:30 Stskeeps: back now, didn't uninstall much Sep 18 17:18:53 aladds: k Sep 18 17:18:58 gizmo helped a lot to get rid of? Sep 18 17:19:05 11MB :P Sep 18 17:19:08 k Sep 18 17:19:08 yeah Sep 18 17:19:25 what other wasteful things are there? Sep 18 17:20:08 i uninstalled the pre installed stuff Sep 18 17:20:08 images/videos/sounds Sep 18 17:20:08 *nod* Sep 18 17:20:17 the best thing would be able to run a subset of the actual installer we use on other tablets.. that would make things a lot easier Sep 18 17:21:27 but that's just wishful thinking:P Sep 18 17:21:34 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/stlc45xx Sep 18 17:21:37 ah Sep 18 17:21:44 right, so what's next? Sep 18 17:22:15 you made a ext2/3 fs and mounted it on /mnt/deblet? Sep 18 17:22:35 gimmie a sec :P Sep 18 17:22:47 suihkulokki, yup. just talking about that earlier. I guess that means we're no longer tied to 2.6.21 Sep 18 17:23:03 on n800/n810s :P Sep 18 17:23:11 Somebody should get with AStorm Sep 18 17:23:14 someone should hack one up for the older version chipset on 770 :P Sep 18 17:23:30 fanoush was already talking about it on -developers Sep 18 17:23:39 johnx: Does not require constant work. It is one-time thing Sep 18 17:23:46 Stskeeps, let me introduce you to suihkulokki. He's working on hildon/maemo packages for debian. suihkulokki, please meet Stskeeps, the main person behind deblet. :) Sep 18 17:23:55 * Stskeeps waves Sep 18 17:24:01 nice to meet you Sep 18 17:24:45 hi :) Sep 18 17:25:13 if you are interested in getting your deblet packages to debian, I can help Sep 18 17:25:57 suihkulokki: hehe, i might eventually - there's a bit of a problem with some non-free ones and the special way we make some things work that clashes a tiny bit with debian policy Sep 18 17:26:14 i'm not so keen on how it keeps disconnecting from my wireless... Sep 18 17:26:23 suihkulokki: but things are looking in the right direction with nokia opening up things Sep 18 17:27:02 suihkulokki: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages if you want to have a look around Sep 18 17:27:10 Stskeeps: yeh, well, one step at a time Sep 18 17:27:30 first create packages, then make them high quality ;) Sep 18 17:27:39 hehe Sep 18 17:28:51 our non-free consists (mostly) of packages built on the tablet through a non-debhelper using package, that uses debian/rules binary binary-arch to build them :P Sep 18 17:29:09 and avoiding legal issues that way, as they do not move outside the tablet other than how sd cloning does Sep 18 17:29:41 is 256mb of swap bad? Sep 18 17:29:43 and even the wifi driver will move to main prolly Sep 18 17:29:47 aladds: i run with 192 or so Sep 18 17:29:57 righto Sep 18 17:30:01 Stskeeps: you can (should) eliminate all the .ex files from debian/ directories Sep 18 17:30:07 "Bush Says Americans Can Trust Him to Address Economy" Sep 18 17:30:09 Hehehe Sep 18 17:30:21 Stskeeps, possibly having the package copy the proprietary bits over as part of a post install might be more debian-like Sep 18 17:30:22 suihkulokki: yeah, .. and wonder why the devil there's .EX and .ex files Sep 18 17:30:55 suihkulokki: i'll do that cleanup at some point - i wrote all these packages over a long weekend Sep 18 17:31:12 that's something that dh_make generates on default :) Sep 18 17:31:24 yeah, but i was wondering why having .EX too :P Sep 18 17:31:46 brb moving to another building Sep 18 17:32:02 johnx_: possible too Sep 18 17:34:48 Stskeeps, cx3110x can be very sensitive when changing power modes it seems Sep 18 17:34:57 it just through an oops at me Sep 18 17:35:54 note to self: don't try to rmmod it after that Sep 18 17:40:32 RST38h, nice joke Sep 18 17:44:35 do i need to load some modules to get ext3 support? Sep 18 17:44:42 on os2006 Sep 18 17:44:55 it won't mount my partition Sep 18 17:45:07 aladds, yes, very likely Sep 18 17:45:14 aladds: yeah, insmod from /mnt/initfs/lib/2.6.1something/ mbcache, jbd, ext3 Sep 18 17:45:16 right Sep 18 17:45:27 johnx_: yeah - my script may be too hard on it Sep 18 17:46:00 Stskeeps, actually i was starting to wonder if having powersave enabled during association might be a problem Sep 18 17:46:25 but now I can't test that because my debian install hangs on boot Sep 18 17:46:26 that would explain a lot really Sep 18 17:46:35 right Sep 18 17:46:38 mounted Sep 18 17:46:45 should i swapon? Sep 18 17:47:13 mkswap and swapon, - just for good measure Sep 18 17:47:15 i have Sep 18 17:47:17 yeah Sep 18 17:47:20 did mkswap Sep 18 17:47:21 ok Sep 18 17:47:35 so swap is on, ext3 is mounted at /mnt/deblet Sep 18 17:48:12 where do i get the debian_lenny_base.gz file from? or will i have to make my own? Sep 18 17:48:29 sec Sep 18 17:48:38 wget http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/installerdeb/usr/libexec/deblet/md5sum and chmod +x it and put it in /bin Sep 18 17:49:57 then debootstrap --verbose --arch armel lenny /mnt/deblet http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ Sep 18 17:50:11 (you're in the US) Sep 18 17:50:14 ? Sep 18 17:50:29 uk Sep 18 17:50:34 then take .uk :P Sep 18 17:50:40 righto Sep 18 17:50:54 this process will take quite a while Sep 18 17:50:54 :P Sep 18 17:51:05 (feel free to time it) Sep 18 17:51:27 * MishaS wonders if armel became an official architecture for debian... Sep 18 17:51:37 it's been for quite a while Sep 18 17:52:26 it's going to be in lenny, and has been in sid for quite a while Sep 18 17:52:42 Stskeeps, seems more reliable with iwconfig wlan0 power off Sep 18 17:52:52 johnx_: k Sep 18 17:53:00 killed my powersave python thing ? Sep 18 17:53:06 else it will just put it back on :P Sep 18 17:53:16 eep...nah, I just set it manually Sep 18 17:53:19 hmm Sep 18 17:53:25 right, hitting return now (at 6:53PM) Sep 18 17:53:29 * johnx_ tracks down the errant pythong script Sep 18 17:55:02 where is your script / where does it get called from? Sep 18 17:56:37 johnx_: that's actually a very good question.. can't seem to find the package :> Sep 18 17:56:51 -_-; Sep 18 17:58:14 sec, think my svn was mangled a bit by me moving around things Sep 18 18:00:39 i know i'm not finished, but that wasn't really very hard Sep 18 18:01:08 we can make it harder next version. :) Sep 18 18:01:15 haha Sep 18 18:01:31 it could be made easier really simply though Sep 18 18:01:39 few shell scripts Sep 18 18:01:43 :P Sep 18 18:01:55 even for partitioning Sep 18 18:05:03 aladds: yeah, that's only a minor part of it :> Sep 18 18:05:19 yay lol Sep 18 18:05:23 :P Sep 18 18:05:35 it's resolving dependancies atm Sep 18 18:05:38 of base Sep 18 18:07:27 johnx_: dsme-tools Sep 18 18:07:37 cool Sep 18 18:07:38 will look Sep 18 18:14:22 it's getting packages :D Sep 18 18:14:30 hehe Sep 18 18:14:55 aladds: be aware that this only bootstraps a debian system, which is practically useless without packages on top, on tablets :P Sep 18 18:15:16 well yeah Sep 18 18:15:26 but i can chroot into it and install some packages Sep 18 18:15:40 i'm thinking somehow having network & openssh working Sep 18 18:16:01 then i'd be able to boot it and install packages with a keyboard Sep 18 18:16:43 i'm guessing matchbox isn't in debian Sep 18 18:17:00 so i'd have to run generic x11 with....xfce? Sep 18 18:17:13 i'm not about to run gnome on it :P Sep 18 18:17:28 although Sep 18 18:17:36 250mhz arm might run gnome i guess Sep 18 18:17:46 matchbox is in Sep 18 18:17:51 cool Sep 18 18:17:55 so is hildon desktop if you're so inclined Sep 18 18:17:59 i suggest lxde+openbox Sep 18 18:18:11 works fine on a zaurus with similar speed/ram Sep 18 18:18:16 aladds: yeah, but wait with installing for now :) Sep 18 18:18:29 well yeah :P Sep 18 18:18:37 it's on c! Sep 18 18:18:38 :P Sep 18 18:20:21 hmm Sep 18 18:20:28 what abuout fvwm-crystal? Sep 18 18:20:45 that's leightweight and cool Sep 18 18:21:00 although it might not be so cool with no keyboard Sep 18 18:21:06 wmii would be useless :P Sep 18 18:21:55 e :) Sep 18 18:22:08 someone built it for armel Sep 18 18:22:09 should work Sep 18 18:22:10 just...slow Sep 18 18:22:20 what? Sep 18 18:22:33 fvwm-crystal? Sep 18 18:22:37 e17 Sep 18 18:22:38 i doubt it'd be that slow Sep 18 18:22:40 oh Sep 18 18:22:51 not tried that Sep 18 18:22:59 e16 might be ok...but it's pretty ancient Sep 18 18:23:06 yeah :P Sep 18 18:23:12 fvwm is worth a try, definitely Sep 18 18:23:16 maybe icewm too Sep 18 18:23:18 hah, it's installing gcc, awsome :D Sep 18 18:23:41 hey all Sep 18 18:23:55 would USB-OTG work? Sep 18 18:23:59 hi JamieBennett Sep 18 18:24:06 aladds, yes, I think so Sep 18 18:24:08 hi JamieBennett Sep 18 18:24:16 excellent Sep 18 18:24:32 would be much cheaper than getting a bluetooth keyboard :P Sep 18 18:24:38 OSiM has been a blast, looking forward to the summit tomorrow and Saturday Sep 18 18:24:44 aladds, you need a specific kernel for it on the 770, right? Sep 18 18:25:06 Any here using ATOM machines? can I install maemo on it? Sep 18 18:25:11 only for bluetooth Sep 18 18:25:15 i think Sep 18 18:25:29 actually maybe for both Sep 18 18:25:43 Anunakin, the whole distro? just some open source maemo apps? Sep 18 18:26:42 Anunakin: try ubuntu mobile Sep 18 18:27:53 i'm wondering about ubuntu mobile future really - after moblin got moved to fedora Sep 18 18:28:41 maemo will install on an ATOM machine (hildon runs on pretty much anything) but its not really recommended as a great experience. Try the netbook remix if your after that kind of interface. Sep 18 18:28:42 thanks, but I dislike unbuntu mobile... very ugly Sep 18 18:28:49 ubuntu Sep 18 18:29:15 Anunakin, you do realize that ubuntu mobile is mostly maemo Sep 18 18:29:24 and anyways, it's just a theme... Sep 18 18:29:38 (that makes ubuntu "ugly") Sep 18 18:34:45 Hi. I'm trying to install speedcrunch, but it says it requires libqt4-base and -gui >=4.3. Now, the extras-devel repo has 4.4, why isn't it working? Sep 18 18:35:38 all downloaded, extracting now Sep 18 18:37:30 johnx_: I looking at mamona, and others... Sep 18 18:37:43 Mamona is just Enlightenment. Sep 18 18:38:12 Anunakin, what exactly is your goal? a lightweight linux distro? running maemo software? Sep 18 18:39:58 GeneralAntilles: Mamona is OpenEmbedded though right? Sep 18 18:40:18 summatusmentis, yes, it is Sep 18 18:40:55 I like OE Sep 18 18:45:24 hey, anyone in for a beer in Berlin? Sep 18 18:45:59 blafasel: when? Sep 18 18:46:18 asap Sep 18 18:46:22 :) Sep 18 18:46:31 OK, I'll rephrase, where are you? Sep 18 18:46:48 Singer109 Sep 18 18:47:24 Arrived mere minutes ago, need to find a parking space and would be good to go. Sep 18 18:47:30 And thirsty Sep 18 18:48:20 JamieBennett: Where are you? Sep 18 18:48:59 Mmm, I'm in the Mecure Hotel (doing real work; read: not Maemo work). Most of the Maemo guys are touring the center now Sep 18 18:49:28 JamieBennett: Any contact details? Sep 18 18:50:05 Given that you want to work.. Do you? :) Sep 18 18:51:18 blafasel: unfortunately the summit coincides with something big for my day-jobn company so I'm pretty much on call and tonight I'm bug fixing (with beer in hand!) Sep 18 18:52:26 hmpf. Tomorrow then Sep 18 18:52:29 qwerty12_N800: you saw the open wifi thing? Sep 18 18:52:39 Stskeeps: yeah Sep 18 18:52:57 even if it's pre-alpha it sure opens up for a lot of experiments :P Sep 18 18:53:20 blasfasel: You can't miss me! I'll be wondering around with a camcorder, tripod and a random geeky t-shirt; come say hi! Sep 18 18:54:16 Stskeeps: What do you have in mind? Sep 18 18:54:24 Stskeeps: yeah :) Sep 18 18:55:29 JamieBennett: funky things like unionfs stuff, or simply using more new kernel stuff like kexec and so on :P Sep 18 18:56:07 kismet and the like were talked about today. Packet injection was a topic among the kis ;) Sep 18 18:56:13 hehe Sep 18 18:56:29 * qwerty12_N800 vows not to buy a speedtouch router again Sep 18 18:56:41 s/kis/kids Sep 18 18:57:01 JamieBennett: i'm just happy the primary reason that devices might get left behind in terms of kernel version is going to be gone Sep 18 18:58:04 Nokia are really pushing the openness here. There seems to be a change in attitude and enthusiasm that is pretty compelling, even from the Nokia developers. Sep 18 18:58:43 Anybody had intercourse with qpopper or pop3 daemons in general? Sep 18 18:59:06 qpopper seems to touch mailbox file every time Modest knocks to check on the email Sep 18 18:59:27 (and then I get a spurious "You have new mail" message) Sep 18 18:59:31 intercourse is probably the wrong word to use ;) Sep 18 19:00:08 nah, in this case it is the right word Sep 18 19:00:44 :D Sep 18 19:01:09 intercourse with "demons"... Sep 18 19:01:35 Any news on a live feed? Or is there someone taping the whole thing? Sep 18 19:03:08 Live feed is off. I'll be transcoding and uploading video from Monday onwards Sep 18 19:03:22 is there vino-server for maemo or some other way to vnc to the n810 running desktop? Sep 18 19:03:36 x11vnc Sep 18 19:03:40 Google. . . . Sep 18 19:04:03 crashhanddie: I'll be videoing most of the summit and where things overlap I should have at least the audio feed for download Sep 18 19:05:32 JamieBennett, awesome Sep 18 19:06:54 GeneralAntilles: thanks, that seems to work Sep 18 19:07:12 I would do it sooner (I have Ari's keynote and the two part developer session sat on the laptop now) but transcoding AVCHD to something remotely compatable with Linux is more than difficult it seems. Anyone that knows better gets extra brownie points and sees the video sooner! Sep 18 19:09:34 JamieBennett, google seems to think that a recent version (svn checkout) of ffmpeg would do it quickly/easily: http://linux-tipps.blogspot.com/2008/08/hd-video-encoding-in-sync-with-ffmpeg.html Sep 18 19:09:46 not sure if that's the exact format you need Sep 18 19:10:00 Unfortunately and controversially I will be taking the video's home and converting them under vista Sep 18 19:10:01 anyways, good luck...i'm off to sleep Sep 18 19:10:47 johnx_: I'll take a look but the amount of switches to ffmpeg, mencoder e.t.c I've used is ridiculous! Sep 18 19:18:26 I'm surprised there aren't loads of questions from the community after the announcements recently (or am I missing a thread on iTT or something?). Sep 18 19:19:05 Questions to who, exactly? :P Sep 18 19:21:31 To the guys who are here, getting the 'insideish' information ;) Sep 18 19:21:51 :P Sep 18 19:22:19 OK, summarize everything. Sep 18 19:22:20 Now. Sep 18 19:22:24 :D Sep 18 19:23:06 I want to find out why tablet-browser-ui is closed. . . . Sep 18 19:23:26 I've heard so many things kind of 'in conversation' that I honestly don't know what I can or can't say (without getting anybody in trouble) and I don't even work for Nokia! Sep 18 19:23:59 Hehe Sep 18 19:24:27 GeneralAntilles: OK, we have Josh here (timeless) and according to him the browser problems are more bureaucracy than technicalities. Sep 18 19:24:53 well, if someone works at Nokia has told you something confidential, then they could get into trouble Sep 18 19:25:15 JamieBennett, sounds like more UI 'differentiation' nonsense. Sep 18 19:25:42 JamieBennett: anything about Xorg? Sep 18 19:25:50 lpotter: nothing has been said 'off the record' be we are all human and I know some things slip out from time to time Sep 18 19:26:38 then just leave out names :) Sep 18 19:27:53 JamieBennett, I suspect there'll be more questions after tomorrow. Sep 18 19:27:55 GeneralAntilles: We have 'unoffically' tested a 'fixed' version of the browser today. Its not something to write home about though. Ask qole about the midori browser under debian though :) Sep 18 19:28:23 lpotter: :) Sep 18 19:28:53 GeneralAntilles: I think alot of the information is there now, although you have to join the dots yourself Sep 18 19:29:05 Hmm.. Cannot reach him. Sep 18 19:29:11 Looks like I'm working tonight as well. Sep 18 19:29:19 blasfasel: Jaffa? Sep 18 19:29:23 Aye Sep 18 19:29:26 :( Sep 18 19:29:41 I'm in the Mecure if you want a beer! Sep 18 19:29:49 Hehe Sep 18 19:29:57 I sense pity! Sep 18 19:30:04 No idea how far it is on the subway Sep 18 19:31:09 * robink got a response to his e-mail to clearwire. Sep 18 19:31:25 Just checking. Sep 18 19:32:03 I'm nearly next door (well, very close..) to the c-base, I guess you're somewhere else. Sep 18 19:32:40 "As clearwire is a wireless service, we only support Motorola wireless modems. We do not support wired modems." Sep 18 19:32:43 aagh Sep 18 19:32:48 GeneralAntilles: A lot of what Nokia is doing can be found from following the various mailing lists of the projects that are related to Maemo, the problem is they are all desperate. I would love to have a Maemo Jar (rather than bug jar) of Nokia's happenings and hopefully I can make it heppen when I get back home. Sep 18 19:33:19 blafasel: your about 9 km from me :( Sep 18 19:33:21 The pitfalls of working upstream. ;) Sep 18 19:33:42 Jamie: Are you working for Nokia? Sep 18 19:34:00 GeneralAntilles: I had my eyes opened today when I was pointed to the various breadcrumbs :) Sep 18 19:34:08 RST38h: No Sep 18 19:34:11 Anyone know whose data radios Sprint is using in their test network? Sep 18 19:34:12 JamieBennett: Ehehehe.. Okay, that's a little bit far for a beer ;) Sep 18 19:34:38 Jamie: will be a bit of a problem to collect all bits and pieces then =) Sep 18 19:34:56 RST38h: As an employee no, do I have a job to do directed by Nokia here; yes Sep 18 19:35:41 someone should just get Texrat horridly drunk Sep 18 19:35:41 :P Sep 18 19:35:44 Ah Sep 18 19:35:48 As for the information, its there for anyone to see, its just putting it together like the bug jar Sep 18 19:35:55 Psh, Texrat Sep 18 19:35:58 just get Ari drunk. Sep 18 19:36:08 ari looks a bit like the vodka type, yes Sep 18 19:36:23 evil Sep 18 19:36:30 texrat isn't here and Ari is closed lip, I could tell you a weak link though :{ Sep 18 19:36:32 :P Sep 18 19:36:52 get Quim drunk Sep 18 19:36:56 Hehe Sep 18 19:37:02 ;) Sep 18 19:37:10 Quim is also tight lipped (but very cool!) Sep 18 19:37:11 Tell me where he is and I'll do the job Sep 18 19:37:31 I doubt those Finns will be that easy to get drunk though... Sep 18 19:37:33 "nokia manager assaulted in his hotel room by open source developer" Sep 18 19:37:33 :P Sep 18 19:37:36 Gotta find the disgruntled employee. Sep 18 19:37:56 RST38h: Depends. Either "Yes, pretty damn easy" or "Never ever". I've seen both ;) Sep 18 19:38:17 blafasel, by "do the job" you mean "work them over with a Louisville Slugger"? :P Sep 18 19:38:18 GeneralAntilles: might find some in the former Trolltech Sep 18 19:38:22 I think all of the Nokia guys are very aware of the IP issues and that in this industry the legal issues often rule the technical ones unfortunately. Sep 18 19:38:25 i got drunk before my finnish gf.. that was embarassing Sep 18 19:38:32 er, ex gf Sep 18 19:38:51 Stskeeps: :D Sep 18 19:39:38 GeneralAntilles: I had to look up what type of drink a "Louisville Slugger" could be and was educated. I guess with my height and weight that might be a dumb idea ;) Sep 18 19:39:56 Guess it's a US thing. ;) Sep 18 19:40:13 Kinda a mob reference. Sep 18 19:40:17 I'm a community guy and very open source so I obviously say as I see but I honestly believe that the developers from Nokia want more than the legal team are willing to give for various and probably valid reasons. Sep 18 19:40:36 true that! Sep 18 19:40:38 JamieBennett, well, duuuuuh. :P Sep 18 19:41:20 we should have mixed nokia and outside-nokia sprints, where they obviously can Sep 18 19:41:21 Stskeeps: downlooaded, installed, configured Sep 18 19:41:25 conving managers and legal to open source stuff is relatively straightforward Sep 18 19:41:26 oh lawyers, will you ever learn Sep 18 19:41:37 't tell all, but they can tell how to do certain things Sep 18 19:41:38 - show them that it will increase sales or save mone Sep 18 19:41:41 do i now need a kernel? Sep 18 19:41:42 (oh send this dsme constant..) Sep 18 19:41:43 :P Sep 18 19:41:43 y Sep 18 19:42:04 aladds: could you pastebin me a ls -lR /mnt/initfs ? (do you have ssh to the device btw) Sep 18 19:42:04 so that's 1 hour 48 mins Sep 18 19:42:08 aladds: not bad Sep 18 19:42:19 i don't have ssh, but i can install it Sep 18 19:42:27 so you typed all this in hand? :P Sep 18 19:42:30 Not duuuuuh. Before yesterday I though that the guys (and gals, lets not discriminate) were actually holding off for other reasons but sit and chat to them for some length of time and you realise that they are as frustrated as us users sometimes Sep 18 19:42:36 tinyurls! Sep 18 19:42:53 aladds: i prescribe you one sshd Sep 18 19:42:53 :P Sep 18 19:43:04 JamieBennett, oh? I thought that was clear to everybody involved. Sep 18 19:43:06 Interesting. Sep 18 19:43:19 hm, mountain view, isn't that where mozilla is these days too? Sep 18 19:43:30 lol Sep 18 19:44:00 (read qqil's post) Sep 18 19:44:22 Stskeeps: do i need to set a password to do ssh? Sep 18 19:44:31 aladds: yeah, just passwd root Sep 18 19:44:45 Is timeless's repository up? I need telnet on here. Sep 18 19:44:49 will sudo gainroot still work then? Sep 18 19:44:53 aye Sep 18 19:44:56 ok Sep 18 19:45:39 GeneralAntilles: Just look at the mailing lists, iTT e.t.c and I think that in some cases ("why is alarmd closed source, why is the wifi driver closed' e.t.c) people are not very clued up on the platforms restrictions in terms of legal issues. I see alot of just 'open source it' (PowerVR) with no after thought. Sep 18 19:46:05 JamieBennett: alarmd is open Sep 18 19:46:06 Funny. Someone joined in my 4bed room and it's a maemo guy Sep 18 19:46:26 blafasel: alchohol, if it's a nokia guy Sep 18 19:46:26 :P Sep 18 19:46:31 qwerty12_N800, is not. Sep 18 19:46:45 GeneralAntilles: 770 HE afaik Sep 18 19:46:55 There is confusion Sep 18 19:46:58 http://gizmodo.com/5051820/epedermits-is-one-terrifying-tattooable-toy Sep 18 19:47:20 GeneralAntilles: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/a/alarmd/ ;) Sep 18 19:47:46 or that Sep 18 19:47:50 even from hard core users Sep 18 19:48:06 it's not liking it Sep 18 19:48:09 Stskeeps: Na, unfortunately not. I'd have thrown my can of beer already if he were ;) Sep 18 19:48:11 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3635 Sep 18 19:48:27 Jamie: corporate IP issues are confusing and difficult to understand Sep 18 19:48:39 Jamie: and a lot of them have nothing to do with common sense Sep 18 19:48:43 ok now i'm in :P Sep 18 19:49:36 Anyway, there is a positive vibe amonst the maemo and Nokia and the council, chaired by Ryan, will only help to accelerate it; exciting times :) Sep 18 19:49:44 hah, alarmd just uses retutime Sep 18 19:49:51 typical Sep 18 19:49:55 (initfs binary) Sep 18 19:50:13 Stskeeps: how else would tablet wake up :p Sep 18 19:50:26 Stskeeps: Alarmd is a contentious issue hopefully to be replace by fast boot Sep 18 19:50:29 woah that's quite a listing Sep 18 19:51:00 aladds: /mnt/initfs? .. Sep 18 19:51:10 oui Sep 18 19:51:24 using > i now have a 512kb text file Sep 18 19:51:27 eh Sep 18 19:51:40 i guess i'll have to see that Sep 18 19:51:46 ok :P Sep 18 19:52:05 qwerty12_N800: ke-recv was the one sending kevents to dbus? Sep 18 19:52:24 aladds: tell me the secret of resizing partition table :p Sep 18 19:52:54 Stskeeps: think so or was it hulda? ke-recv recieves events afaik Sep 18 19:53:25 k Sep 18 19:53:34 cos retu sends out a thing when timer expires Sep 18 19:53:41 qwerty12_N800: "parted"? :P Sep 18 19:54:11 Stskeeps: they introduced support for cal ?!? :p Sep 18 19:54:13 ah, the flash one :P Sep 18 19:54:33 qwerty12_N800: i kinda wonder when dsme is out if they include cal.h Sep 18 19:54:46 Stskeeps: they'd better Sep 18 19:55:44 qwerty12_N800: http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card Sep 18 19:56:21 if you're doing it for deblet, linux is type 83, swap is 82 Sep 18 19:56:26 hi all Sep 18 19:56:43 aladds: Thanks but i was making geekish joke :) Sep 18 19:56:57 oh ok Sep 18 19:57:01 *fine* Sep 18 19:57:03 :P Sep 18 19:57:06 aladds: qwerty is the local prodigy around here :P Sep 18 19:57:13 ah Sep 18 19:57:31 me, prodigy? nah, annoyance :p Sep 18 19:57:36 he does things to tablets that makes your mom blush Sep 18 19:57:37 :P Sep 18 19:58:52 * Stskeeps grrs at his dad managing to mess up his home machine again Sep 18 19:59:04 Hehe Sep 18 19:59:21 * GeneralAntilles is so glad his dad has an entire corporate IT department to keep him going. Sep 18 19:59:42 * aladds seems to have crashed pastebin Sep 18 19:59:45 lol Sep 18 19:59:46 Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1260988 bytes) in /home/pastebin/lib/geshi/geshi.php on line 2474 Sep 18 19:59:48 :P Sep 18 19:59:50 haha Sep 18 19:59:52 lol Sep 18 19:59:59 aladds: want a account to scp it to? :P Sep 18 20:00:02 that's prolly easier Sep 18 20:00:05 yeah Sep 18 20:00:13 :P Sep 18 20:00:19 sec Sep 18 20:01:55 * RST38h looks up "Abel" in Fortune magazine Sep 18 20:03:14 ok Sep 18 20:03:18 im backish Sep 18 20:03:28 RST38h: top 10? Sep 18 20:05:14 top 200 just to be sure =) Sep 18 20:07:42 :) Sep 18 20:16:05 quite a lot of them up there, as it seems Sep 18 20:19:30 bye Sep 18 20:51:10 anyone knows how abiwort port for n810 goes? =) Sep 18 20:51:14 er Sep 18 20:51:16 abiword* Sep 18 20:51:28 still beta Sep 18 20:51:32 stil in extras-devel Sep 18 21:21:37 Engadget makes me laugh. Sep 18 21:22:52 * robink sips cup of excellence organic fair-trade fresh-roasted (today!) coffee. Sep 18 21:23:00 It was cheap, too. Sep 18 21:36:07 Hello brontide. Sep 18 21:36:22 hello Sep 18 21:40:46 brontide: Yu have a good night? Sep 18 21:41:03 See you in the morning bright and early Sep 18 21:41:22 Indeed Sep 18 21:41:30 8am? Sep 18 21:42:03 hi. Sep 18 21:57:26 hrm Sep 18 21:57:47 evenin' Sep 18 21:57:56 am i the only one who gets on irc when i get back? or is someone else from osim here? lol Sep 18 21:58:00 yo sts Sep 18 21:58:50 i'd get on irc if i was there, even if i was drunk, much to the rest of you people's embarassement ;> Sep 18 21:59:16 ^_^ Sep 18 22:03:39 * Stskeeps is working with aladds to put Deblet on the 770 Sep 18 22:05:18 rm_your :PPPPPPPPP Sep 18 22:05:57 rm_you good trip? Sep 18 22:07:08 ah yes Sep 18 22:07:14 finally someone else is on :P Sep 18 22:07:19 :) Sep 18 22:07:23 JamieBennett: I though we said 7am in the lobby Sep 18 22:07:23 was wondering if no one else has access to internet Sep 18 22:07:28 how was cbase? Sep 18 22:07:43 ah and brontide is here too Sep 18 22:08:06 didn't make it, Quim went early and the plan is to go early (8am'ish tomorrow) Sep 18 22:08:08 * brontide should be putting x11vnc on the tablet and testing it, but since one 1 device at a time that will be tough Sep 18 22:08:47 I figured we would stroll and get food along the way Sep 18 22:09:23 That was the idea (you were talking about breakfast?) Sep 18 22:10:13 ok... as long as we are on the same page Sep 18 22:10:17 ;-P Sep 18 22:10:49 I hope your not talking about strolling and getting food now ;) Sep 18 22:11:52 Drugging the water. . . . Sep 18 22:13:33 GeneralAntilles :P Sep 18 22:18:02 JamieBennett, you got a flickr stream? Sep 18 22:18:54 truth serum in the water at the summit, eh? :P Sep 18 22:20:32 GeneralAntilles: yes Sep 18 22:21:07 Stskeeps: quite the opposite I think :P Sep 18 22:21:23 Yeah, I see. Sep 18 22:21:34 No Summit shots, though, Mr. Media. :P Sep 18 22:22:20 GeneralAntilles: the wifi at the osim was 10k at second! with drop outs! Sep 18 22:22:27 Awesome Sep 18 22:22:52 everyone was torrenting linux isos? :P Sep 18 22:23:01 Hopefully c-base will be better and we will all upload photos and video and obviously tag is :D Sep 18 22:23:11 s/is/it Sep 18 22:23:17 It sounds like it will be. Sep 18 22:23:23 They've got a server and mediawiki install up for it. Sep 18 22:23:39 at least we could use so wired connection there to do some serious uploading Sep 18 22:23:58 i doubt that ~250 tablets will make the situation any better ;) Sep 18 22:24:12 lol Sep 18 22:24:14 world record of number of tablets? :P Sep 18 22:24:15 Tablet DDoS Sep 18 22:24:16 at same spot Sep 18 22:24:29 OSiM was a fast comnnection but for the 600 or so people there we have 3000+ wireless connections!! Sep 18 22:24:31 Stskeeps, that's probably at a Nokia factory in Korea or Finland. Sep 18 22:24:42 "in use", maybe? ;> Sep 18 22:25:08 or so the OSiM guys said Sep 18 22:25:29 3000? war drivers? :) Sep 18 22:25:30 (the maemo booth had at least 20 of them!) Sep 18 22:26:05 yeah but it didn't look like that all the 550 suites actually used wlan all the time ;p Sep 18 22:26:26 in contrast to the maemo booth folks :) Sep 18 22:27:00 jott: did you get the 'connection refused' message and the number of active connections ? Sep 18 22:27:16 no personally not. Sep 18 22:27:25 but i believe you that they also had high traffic Sep 18 22:27:42 Lies! Sep 18 22:27:43 The Maemo booth was geek heaven and a sight to behold (or search for on flickr!) Sep 18 22:27:45 All lies! Sep 18 22:27:58 :P Sep 18 22:28:06 GeneralAntilles: we even ate a maemo cake! Sep 18 22:28:35 jott: and some obscure fruit! Sep 18 22:29:07 Ha Sep 18 22:29:16 The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie! Sep 18 22:29:40 Does that make Quim GLaDOS? Sep 18 22:30:03 Anyway, bed for me, early start if all you non-Berlin attendees want to see video and hear audio some time this week! Sep 18 22:35:49 heh jamie may have something there Sep 18 22:35:54 should sleep soon Sep 18 22:36:05 Sleep is for the weak. Sep 18 22:36:11 wifi does poorly when there are lots of stations :) Sep 18 22:37:16 wimax does it differently, each station gets a slice of time even if they don't manage to transfer anything during that time Sep 18 22:45:03 ShadowJK: Is that wise? Sep 18 22:45:47 Do you want to let one device continue trying to get through its weak signal, holding everyone else up? Sep 18 22:46:16 ShadowJK: Good point. Sep 18 22:49:08 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/patches.html Sep 18 22:49:15 all of the links are broken ^^ Sep 18 22:49:19 timeless: ^ Sep 18 22:49:42 The website is just a touch outdated overall. Sep 18 22:50:21 RST38h: thanks for the answer Sep 18 22:50:27 is there any ETA for it being stable? Sep 18 22:50:30 dougt, he's at the Maemo Summit. Sep 18 22:50:33 I doubt he'll notice. Sep 18 22:50:46 hey GeneralAntilles. when is the keynote? Sep 18 22:50:57 (do you know if it is going to be recorded?) Sep 18 22:51:00 Ari's talk was yesterday morning. Sep 18 22:51:19 JamieBennett is recording most of the Summit sessions tomorrow and saturday Sep 18 22:51:29 and he recorded Ari's talk at OSiM yesterday. Sep 18 22:51:33 They should all be up next week. Sep 18 22:52:04 dougt, http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/17/dr-ari-jaaksi-on-maemo-5/ http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/18/osim-maemo-developer-session/ Summaries for the time being. Sep 18 22:54:12 I mean, ETA for stable build of abiword.? Sep 18 22:54:22 for n810 =) Sep 18 22:54:57 cmonex, that's one to talk to megabyte about. Sep 18 22:55:03 It's been beta for a while, though. Sep 18 22:56:01 cool, thanks. Sep 18 22:56:48 dougt, part of the Q&A from Ari's talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PRVkUe5tzE Sep 18 23:15:23 GeneralAntilles: OK. thanks =) Sep 18 23:27:06 anyone seen patch*deb for n810? Sep 18 23:47:03 GeneralAntilles, pretty straightforward PR bullshit Sep 18 23:47:17 Hehe Sep 18 23:47:32 You shoulda been there to shut him down. :P Sep 18 23:48:05 up Sep 18 23:48:26 GeneralAntilles, I hate it when people just ask boring questions, we already know all these answers Sep 18 23:49:22 Basically, nobody had real questions, they just wanted to take a chance at hearing "oh, good question", so they asked whatever they managed to come up with Sep 18 23:49:39 good answer Sep 18 23:50:29 Haha Sep 18 23:50:33 So true Sep 18 23:51:36 * crashanddie is hacking the neighbour's wifi Sep 18 23:51:45 10 quid less to spend each month Sep 18 23:52:13 lol Sep 18 23:52:24 one of the flatmates, at some point, got an internet deal, around 30 quid monthly Sep 18 23:52:25 Just, fyi, this channel is logged publicly. :P Sep 18 23:52:53 He gave everyone the key, and said "we'll sort out contributions later" Sep 18 23:53:07 figures that now, he has everyone else (4 people) pay 10 quid each Sep 18 23:53:43 the guy actually earns money by having an internet contract Sep 18 23:54:06 What an ass. Sep 18 23:54:16 You should all get together and beat him up in a dark alley. Sep 18 23:54:16 well, he's the best of the bunch Sep 18 23:54:51 Fake your death by blowing up the place while they're all asleep. Sep 18 23:55:10 the girl-next-to-me is the girl-under-me's niece, I can't stand the latter. She makes me want to bitchslap babies Sep 18 23:55:36 and they teamed up, bitches Sep 18 23:56:06 At 8, every morning, right after the two other guys left, they pretend to be doing aerobics Sep 18 23:56:30 so they start pumping basses like there's no fucking tomorrow, every morning, at 8 Sep 18 23:57:32 And yes, even though I'm broke, I just ordered a relay, a small radio circuit board, and I'm going to mod the electrics in the house so that I can turn the whole fucking thing off whenever I want Sep 19 00:01:01 Haha Sep 19 00:01:03 Poor crashanddie. Sep 19 00:01:36 You should shift your schedule around so you're up at 5 every morning and do the same. Sep 19 00:06:08 I only have 2x 0.5w speakers on my laptop Sep 19 00:06:14 I'm not going to impress anyone Sep 19 00:07:17 Get some workboots and stomp around Sep 19 00:07:52 Nha Sep 19 00:08:17 I want her to think there's something wrong with her sound system Sep 19 00:08:22 actually, if I had the time/money Sep 19 00:10:04 I'd get a microcontroller, and a microphone, and if there are sub 40hz sounds coming up over a certain threshold (say... 40dB), between 6AM and 10AM, bam, pull the electrics for 10s Sep 19 00:10:40 nice Sep 19 00:10:45 shouldn't be hard to do Sep 19 00:10:49 not really Sep 19 00:10:51 or too expensive Sep 19 00:10:57 hm Sep 19 00:11:20 that would actually be the best thing ever Sep 19 00:11:36 cuz even if say, I'm staying at the gf one night, it would still happen Sep 19 00:11:40 yeah i dunno why i never thought of it Sep 19 00:11:56 gives you alibi and everything Sep 19 00:12:15 yeah but you still have to get to the panel Sep 19 00:12:32 Is that really a problem? Sep 19 00:12:34 It ain't for me Sep 19 00:12:59 you can't leave tracks Sep 19 00:13:14 ok this is a fertile ground tho Sep 19 00:13:17 like I said, small radio circuit Sep 19 00:13:27 * elekt scrolls up Sep 19 00:13:55 hm Sep 19 00:14:14 what about getting a bass driver Sep 19 00:14:32 and feeding back the bass Sep 19 00:14:53 stick it to the floor/wall Sep 19 00:15:19 i don't see this clearly but it'd be fun to try Sep 19 00:15:31 they'd be confused Sep 19 00:15:35 anyone have a nice Xomap with symbols package floating around? Sep 19 00:50:44 What's the recommended Flickr client for n800? Sep 19 00:50:51 w/ OS2008 Sep 19 01:21:30 Hmm, default 'net radio applet doesn't seem to like my mp3 channels. Sep 19 01:21:38 * ToyKeeper wonders which app(s) are better. Sep 19 01:23:34 Mplayer handles it just fine... maybe there's a small GUI to let me select channels. Sep 19 01:33:19 I got diablo os2008 upgrade and got some problem with keyboard layout... there's no esc,tab,ctrl,alt shown on the screen anymore... what to do?? Sep 19 01:39:59 r2s: I switched to the matchbox keyboard and made my own layout, because the default keyboard hardcodes the location of the space bar. Sep 19 01:40:20 http://toykeeper.net/tmp/maemo-fitaly-2.png Sep 19 01:40:36 It wasn't trivial to get installed / configured, though. Sep 19 01:41:08 Matchbox keyboard is gross. Sep 19 01:41:42 Why not play with h-i-m? Sep 19 01:44:02 I might, if I can find a relatively easy way to give it a layout description I like. Sep 19 01:44:50 I made a fitaly layout for the default keyboard, whatever that's called... and it was unusable. Sep 19 01:51:01 don't people use flickr w/ their nokia? :) Sep 19 01:51:48 why ESC/TAB/CTRL/ALT not working on normal keyboard operation... but in terminal it was shown Sep 19 01:52:02 how can I change my current keyboard layout? Sep 19 01:52:20 I'm now using the DIablo OS2008 Sep 19 02:31:17 what does the chat client in Diablo mean when it puts an exclamation mark in the green circle? Sep 19 02:31:28 I tried googling for the answer, but none was forthcoming. Sep 19 02:32:43 Tap it and it'll tell you. Sep 19 02:32:59 usually one service isn't logged on. Sep 19 02:35:18 aha! I see! okay, thanks, I understand now. So you can call me at 212-202-2318 and it will ring my n810. Neat. Sep 19 02:35:47 nelson: how does that work? Sep 19 02:35:48 aka FWD#404529 Sep 19 02:36:26 I pay $5/month for a new york city phone number that calls my FWD number, which then rings ... anywhere. Sep 19 02:36:43 ahhhhhhhhh neat Sep 19 02:36:49 who do you pay $5 to? Sep 19 02:38:21 Vivox. Sep 19 02:38:33 sorry, it's $6/month. Sep 19 02:40:06 cool ... and what answers it on the n810? Sep 19 02:40:14 The SIP client. Sep 19 02:45:27 is that from the rtcomm beta thingy? Sep 19 02:45:46 yo Sep 19 02:45:59 moontiger: didnt you ask me something before you left? Sep 19 02:46:06 moontiger: sorry, I don't know. Sep 19 02:46:22 ummmmm not sure Jaredu ... ive been fighting oracle all day so my brain is a bit fried Sep 19 02:46:57 ah lol Sep 19 02:47:19 maybe yesterday w/ amsn + video? Sep 19 02:48:07 hmm Sep 19 02:48:09 question guys: Sep 19 02:48:15 im trying to install more apps now Sep 19 02:48:20 and its saying not enough memory available Sep 19 02:48:25 am i limited in how many apps i can have installed? Sep 19 02:48:41 ive filled the 128mb device memory i think Sep 19 02:48:47 can i install somewhere else or something? Sep 19 02:50:25 you can make some virtual memory up to another 128mb Sep 19 02:50:32 in the ctrl panel -> memory Sep 19 02:50:51 doesnt that run out the internal card faster though? Sep 19 02:51:00 from what ive heard its bad >.< Sep 19 02:51:05 well yes it grabs from there Sep 19 02:51:13 what are you installing? Sep 19 02:51:16 well Sep 19 02:51:22 i like...a ton of apps lol Sep 19 02:51:33 i got rid of map so i freed up 1.5 gigs Sep 19 02:51:40 >.< Sep 19 02:51:41 well maybe be a bit more careful for what you need? Sep 19 02:51:47 you dont use the gps? Sep 19 02:51:53 it wont lock signal Sep 19 02:51:55 i waited 30 mins Sep 19 02:52:01 :'( Sep 19 02:52:13 did you install a-gps? Sep 19 02:52:18 no Sep 19 02:52:21 i tried under control panel Sep 19 02:52:24 try that ... it helps a lot Sep 19 02:52:24 location Sep 19 02:52:28 hm Sep 19 02:52:47 a-gps = assisted gps ... it gives the gps a clue where you are to help with the fix times Sep 19 02:52:56 if i added the extra 128mb Sep 19 02:53:02 how much faster would it wear out the card Sep 19 02:53:03 i use an external gps most of the time and get instant fixes Sep 19 02:53:12 cause i dont wanna have to replace the device for at least a year and a half Sep 19 02:53:20 its very debatable that it actually wears out the card Sep 19 02:53:28 ah Sep 19 02:53:29 well Sep 19 02:53:30 its nand Sep 19 02:53:58 i think writing wears out much more Sep 19 02:54:06 hmm Sep 19 02:54:15 wouldnt setting it as swap mean lots of writing? Sep 19 02:54:42 it isnt swap Sep 19 02:54:46 its virtual memory Sep 19 02:54:50 what's the diff Sep 19 02:54:54 it becomes storage memory Sep 19 02:54:58 ahh Sep 19 02:55:03 alright thne Sep 19 02:55:04 then Sep 19 02:55:15 ive had mine set that way since xmas and had no problems at all Sep 19 02:55:20 excellent then Sep 19 02:55:41 if i ever get a scratch on the screen or the internal part of the card goes out can i send it to nokia to have them fix it to factory standards for a fee? Sep 19 02:55:55 scratches? no Sep 19 02:55:59 unless u pay Sep 19 02:56:03 well yeah Sep 19 02:56:05 i intend to Sep 19 02:56:14 prob like 50$ or so Sep 19 02:56:16 prolly cheaper to get a new one by then i would imagine Sep 19 02:56:20 i rarely get scratches Sep 19 02:56:27 but the small ones bug the hell out of me :P Sep 19 02:56:38 yeah ... try to use the sleeve Sep 19 02:56:51 i have a military grade screen protector on my phone... i can throw it against a wall and it wont get scratched :P Sep 19 02:57:05 moontiger, swap = virtual memory Sep 19 02:57:20 i have the same type of protector on my mylo but it made the touchscreen all rubbery Sep 19 02:57:30 johnx_: so.... advisable? or no Sep 19 02:57:48 there's a way to set up swap on a removable card Sep 19 02:57:51 johnx ... he was talking about the "extending program memory" thing Sep 19 02:57:56 I'd go that route if I were you Sep 19 02:58:00 moontiger, and that's swap Sep 19 02:58:14 swap = virtual memory in a paging file Sep 19 02:58:17 not the same thing Sep 19 02:58:30 moontiger, we're talking about the thing in the control panel, right? Sep 19 02:58:35 yes Sep 19 02:58:36 yes Sep 19 02:58:43 moontiger, yes, that's swap Sep 19 02:58:49 I can prove it if you want Sep 19 02:58:50 it says its swap in the options Sep 19 02:58:55 hmmmmmm well u cant run apps from a swap file Sep 19 02:59:27 right Sep 19 02:59:53 Jaredu|away, before looking for a way to install someplace else, have you cleaned out the example content? Sep 19 02:59:55 Virtual: "Internal memory card can be used as additional virtual memory for opening more applications" Available: 128mb extend virtual memory [./] Size: 128mb **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 19 02:59:57 2008