**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 19 02:59:57 2008 Sep 19 03:00:04 i thought it extended program memory in a usable way Sep 19 03:00:10 example content? no Sep 19 03:00:11 there's 10MB worth of PDFs, a demo movie, etc Sep 19 03:00:15 ahh Sep 19 03:00:26 and some pictures of nature Sep 19 03:00:33 heh all crap too :) Sep 19 03:00:34 just move it to your card if you want to keep it Sep 19 03:02:10 how do i move it o.O Sep 19 03:02:19 Jaredu, file manager :) Sep 19 03:02:33 nvm :D Sep 19 03:02:36 found the cut option Sep 19 03:02:39 its like using a mac lol Sep 19 03:02:44 used to right click >.< Sep 19 03:02:46 or drag it Sep 19 03:02:55 tap-and-hold to right click Sep 19 03:03:20 back in 15 Sep 19 03:03:50 grr Sep 19 03:03:52 operation failed Sep 19 03:03:56 fsck! Sep 19 03:22:20 whats a good irc client to use? Sep 19 03:25:28 on a tablet? Sep 19 03:25:40 well, actually I like xchat on desktop and tablet Sep 19 03:30:26 Rawr I want ipv6.ko to autoload again. Sep 19 03:55:45 ello Sep 19 03:56:00 back lol Sep 19 03:56:09 had to help out uncle Sep 19 03:57:02 anyone need any help? Sep 19 04:05:47 yeah, can you make me a sammich? Sep 19 04:08:14 i can Sep 19 04:08:23 but i would eated it Sep 19 04:08:27 hehheh Sep 19 04:08:29 heh Sep 19 04:09:19 hmm Sep 19 04:09:31 im bored and talking on skype Sep 19 04:09:48 anyone got gizmo? Sep 19 04:10:43 woo another user Sep 19 04:11:38 what to do... Sep 19 04:11:53 * Mek is packing my bag to get on a train to berlin in 45 minutes... Sep 19 04:14:16 oo Sep 19 04:14:19 fun Sep 19 04:40:40 hmm Sep 19 04:40:43 on pc again Sep 19 04:40:55 are there any other photoshop-esque programs out there other than mypaint? Sep 19 06:27:17 headed to cbase in a sec Sep 19 07:21:00 Live from c-base... Sep 19 07:21:19 same. :) Sep 19 07:27:38 looking forward to the live reporting :P Sep 19 07:28:00 ok i'm online at cbase keynote Sep 19 07:28:13 hehe Sep 19 07:28:40 alright... Sep 19 07:28:53 who else is on Sep 19 07:29:11 <- Sep 19 07:29:12 I am :) Sep 19 07:29:31 me me me Sep 19 07:29:42 me Sep 19 07:29:49 we need to have like everyone who is on IRC do something random :P Sep 19 07:29:51 Still trying to become sober though Sep 19 07:30:01 lol blaf Sep 19 07:30:06 jott you are here? I need to find you Sep 19 07:30:16 hehe Sep 19 07:30:20 yeah he's next to me in the back Sep 19 07:30:37 i'm waving slightly Sep 19 07:30:37 "Sonntagstrasse" was fine yesterday Sep 19 07:30:41 Morning, all from the summit Sep 19 07:30:44 yes last row zchydem Sep 19 07:31:13 alright, starting Sep 19 07:31:25 jott, ok I'm on thirrd row Sep 19 07:35:19 introducing Ari Sep 19 07:35:47 Reminder: More Summit updates on Jaiku via @sjgadsby. Sep 19 07:36:21 lol, jaiku Sep 19 07:39:37 ok, done introducing people Sep 19 07:39:47 maybe soon some content :P Sep 19 07:41:03 going over the agenda Sep 19 07:42:14 sjgadsby seems to be a bit hit by allergies to report :P Sep 19 07:42:28 hah Sep 19 07:42:34 i mean... aww :( Sep 19 07:42:59 so, similar slides so far to his keynote... the maemo circle Sep 19 07:44:02 Same talk of 3 platforms Sep 19 07:44:32 some are new now.. :) Sep 19 07:46:56 talking about stretching the device to support future technologies, not just the technologies of today Sep 19 07:48:07 The future and current YouTube, Skype, Facebook etc Sep 19 07:49:14 * Italodance [Nick: Italodance] [Server: clarke.freenode.net:6667] [Server UpTime: 2days 18hrs 40mins 35secs] [mIRC UpTime: 3days 20hrs 1min 10secs] [] [CPU: 1-Intel Pentium 4, 2395MHz, 0KB (0% Load) ] Sep 19 07:49:14 * Italodance [WinXP UpTime: 3days 20hrs 7mins 40secs] [Idle: 1day 21hrs 35mins 23secs] [Time&Date: 12:18:54 × 19/09/2008] [DCC Gets: 0/0] [DCC Sends: 0/0] [Memory Usage: 257/512MB (50.20%) ] Sep 19 07:49:20 .. Sep 19 07:49:38 * Stskeeps hugs the ignore command Sep 19 07:51:10 ... mirc? Sep 19 07:51:10 http://flickr.com/photos/tigert/2869156965/ Sep 19 07:51:20 anyone still using that crap? Sep 19 07:51:50 aquatix: irssi Sep 19 07:52:06 Stskeeps: yeah, me too Sep 19 07:52:12 irssi, but hard to use on the itt for me Sep 19 07:52:19 but the info from Italodance shows mIRC Sep 19 07:52:25 blafasel: ah? Sep 19 07:52:34 xchat is nice on n8x0 imho :P Sep 19 07:52:35 * aquatix runs irssi in a screen session on his server Sep 19 07:52:51 rm_you: yeah, some annoyances but i would love something like macirssi :P Sep 19 07:53:10 and i can use my same settings from desktop so it is very like what i am used to Sep 19 07:53:15 aquatix: same Sep 19 07:53:21 irssi i use too, but not as much... only when my xserver is broken :P Sep 19 07:53:40 rm_you: :) Sep 19 07:53:49 ... which was 6/7 days of the week when i ran gentoo :P Sep 19 07:53:54 it's convenient for me; irc from everywhere Sep 19 07:53:55 hehe Sep 19 07:54:00 rm_you: *g* Sep 19 07:54:13 -funrollClues Sep 19 07:54:25 ok, recapping OSiM Sep 19 07:54:49 HSPA, OMAP3, camera, etc Sep 19 07:56:38 alright thats it from Ari Sep 19 07:56:43 mostly recap Sep 19 07:58:28 someone hand me a coffee please Sep 19 07:58:47 coffeee, where?? Sep 19 07:58:54 :) Sep 19 07:59:06 jott can you raise yor hand? or wave it or do some funny movements... Sep 19 07:59:08 Addicted :-) Sep 19 07:59:31 please ask him to dance Sep 19 07:59:52 in front of the projector Sep 19 07:59:54 lol Sep 19 07:59:57 hehe Sep 19 08:01:04 can someone paste the alt-text from the latest xkcd please? :P Sep 19 08:01:19 can't get alt-text on tablet AFAICT Sep 19 08:01:42 mmm coffee Sep 19 08:01:45 source? Sep 19 08:02:00 downstairs Sep 19 08:02:11 cant view source in the browseri Sep 19 08:02:18 suppose i can wget the page and vim it Sep 19 08:02:28 Staple guns: because duct tape can't make that 'kaCHUNK' noise. Sep 19 08:02:45 for xkcd 478 Sep 19 08:03:38 yeah thanks :P Sep 19 08:03:59 actually my browser didnt want to copypaste it so i had to actually type it (gasp) Sep 19 08:04:06 lol Sep 19 08:05:31 hi, everybody listening to this tree-talk Sep 19 08:05:49 hi :P treeees Sep 19 08:06:33 wait are you sitting two seats to my left? :) Sep 19 08:06:47 lol Sep 19 08:06:50 good reference Sep 19 08:06:59 ;-) Sep 19 08:07:25 hi! Sep 19 08:07:26 hrm ok so we can tell who is here by cbase hostmask Sep 19 08:07:36 already at maemo summit Sep 19 08:07:39 is there a way to list users by hostmask regex? Sep 19 08:07:41 i'm wondering when freenode starts thinking you're all clones and akill you ;> Sep 19 08:07:45 jaska: heh, just read it :) Sep 19 08:09:01 who is responsible of ligthing talks slides managment Sep 19 08:09:04 ? Sep 19 08:09:20 when are the lightning talks? Sep 19 08:09:24 what else is going on now?a Sep 19 08:09:54 * Jaffa is IRCing through his colo boox Sep 19 08:10:00 rm_you: it's all linear until the afternoon Sep 19 08:10:10 k Sep 19 08:10:29 i can't access my vpn from n800 :( Sep 19 08:13:16 jsmanrique: ask someone with a new white t-shirt Sep 19 08:14:12 tekojo: I thought it was a red t-shirt Sep 19 08:14:15 ok Sep 19 08:15:12 Brontide is at the front Sep 19 08:15:27 Ask him. Ask me if you don't know him Sep 19 08:15:48 did anyone else wake up when he said booze? Sep 19 08:17:04 lol Sep 19 08:17:43 ok, thanks Sep 19 08:18:39 I think that lighting talks should be near the front on time Sep 19 08:22:33 the network is not too bad here Sep 19 08:23:25 yep Sep 19 08:23:40 Better than OSiM Sep 19 08:23:56 Although they had aircon Sep 19 08:24:26 aircon exists just outside the door :) Sep 19 08:25:27 In the big blue room? Sep 19 08:25:55 About to start on "Maemo UI vision" - I have high hopes... Sep 19 08:25:58 I think someone painted it gray Sep 19 08:26:05 heh Sep 19 08:28:32 meh, downloading fennec at like... BYTES per second... >P< Sep 19 08:28:34 >_< Sep 19 08:28:47 ah, gary is behind me now tho :P Sep 19 08:28:49 ac is irrelevant, I need mor oxygen Sep 19 08:29:07 where ar you? Sep 19 08:29:09 you need more alcohol Sep 19 08:29:13 LAST row Sep 19 08:29:15 that too Sep 19 08:29:34 sitting right next to the nokia hr woman :P Sep 19 08:29:41 and can you actually hear something? Sep 19 08:29:45 yep Sep 19 08:30:04 where are you Sep 19 08:30:11 wow, this slide AGAIN Sep 19 08:31:44 I'm sitting only 3-4 rows in front of you Sep 19 08:32:12 hey woglinde not at the summit? Sep 19 08:32:53 he jott I will come later Sep 19 08:33:06 I have to work Sep 19 08:33:14 ah ok. Sep 19 08:33:22 and if all gone bad I will have a meeting in the afternoon ;( Sep 19 08:34:29 awww Sep 19 08:34:51 taplax, are you around? Sep 19 08:34:53 * aquatix would've liked to attend too Sep 19 08:35:39 talking about "big wow in ui"-vision Sep 19 08:35:52 zchydem_n800: o/ Sep 19 08:36:21 zchydem_n800: your nose is it the web :) http://tabletblog.com/2008/09/live-from-first-maemo-summit.html Sep 19 08:36:33 what is that hardware on that slide? Sep 19 08:36:34 what device is this on the slide? Sep 19 08:36:43 how's life at the office? Sep 19 08:36:57 anyone close enough to read branding? Sep 19 08:37:03 looks like some text in the top right corner? Sep 19 08:37:36 too late Sep 19 08:37:42 its not a device Sep 19 08:37:43 took pictures? :9 Sep 19 08:37:46 just mockup Sep 19 08:37:53 Scrapping the normal desktop size Gtk menus Sep 19 08:37:53 mmh Sep 19 08:37:57 are the slides available anywhere for download? Sep 19 08:38:01 * suihkulokki would ask from UI people if they are going to get rid of transistient popup windows like iphone mostly has :P Sep 19 08:38:04 zchydem_n800: fun, of cource Sep 19 08:38:22 Looked good: moving away from desktop metaphors Sep 19 08:38:22 taplax, yes its my nose:) Sep 19 08:38:32 jott hm I will try fix qtnx/nxagent keyboard problem the following Sep 19 08:38:33 way Sep 19 08:38:42 Jaffa: exactly Sep 19 08:38:57 Star Trek Tablets? :P Sep 19 08:39:07 does anybody know DeepaMehta? that is a innovative UI metaphor! Sep 19 08:39:31 I will write a little gtl apps which sends the keys from an input field via fakeinputkey to window which you can select Sep 19 08:39:41 http://www.deepamehta.de Sep 19 08:39:48 jonek: interesting Sep 19 08:40:11 hi, in my n800 maemo-mapper seems to hang when try gps. got external gps bt-308 device, which works with nokia phones, does n800 support it? Sep 19 08:40:47 rofl Sep 19 08:41:14 making devices for people who don't use the devices but want them so they can look cool? is that a real target demographic? >_< Sep 19 08:41:53 woglinde: sounds like an ugly hack that might even work ;) Sep 19 08:42:26 wow, only 1/3 of the users of NITs are end users and not developers? <_< Sep 19 08:42:39 rm_you: that's like how people use their spiffy cellphones most of the time Sep 19 08:42:42 or laptops Sep 19 08:42:43 rm_you: hehe Sep 19 08:42:43 Arr ye scurvy landlubbers! Sep 19 08:42:56 that's an interesting skew Sep 19 08:42:57 And morning to all Sep 19 08:42:57 I wonder what Nokia concludes from that facts Sep 19 08:42:57 what did you expect? Sep 19 08:42:59 jott args xtest can only send to display not windows Sep 19 08:44:53 for me it seems obvious that they should take a mediator role or somethng like that: talke good ideas and code from community and put it together with their internal resources on usability etc. Sep 19 08:45:17 ... just thinking Sep 19 08:46:48 so thats the explanation. My brain booted in less than 30ms today, which hurted. I won't blame the czech beer Sep 19 08:48:48 heh Sep 19 08:48:51 Excuse me, maybe I'm too slow to follow, but did he give some real details apart from the demographic stuff? Seems to be a little light on content? Sep 19 08:49:14 its hard to talk about what you yet cannot talk about Sep 19 08:49:15 Very - general. Sep 19 08:49:15 Mockups Sep 19 08:50:09 tigert: Good point, but the introduction was promoting transparent development, imo Sep 19 08:50:11 Will be interesting to see how UI delivered matches designers' ideas Sep 19 08:50:33 blafasel: yea, i know. Sep 19 08:51:31 haha Sep 19 08:51:48 wow i totally missed that multitouch reference Sep 19 08:51:54 ;) Sep 19 08:51:59 re Sep 19 08:52:05 that was a good one =) Sep 19 08:53:03 most important audio signal for me would be to be notified about loss of GPS fix!! Sep 19 08:53:16 hehehe Sep 19 08:53:21 when recording tracks Sep 19 08:53:25 That was a good one Sep 19 08:53:32 * Jaffa saw it, but wondered if it was intended Sep 19 08:53:47 say it. I want a sound after a fix. Sep 19 08:53:57 i should someday just draw some words on my map with the gps :P Sep 19 08:54:00 and remember the 30ms rule... Sep 19 08:54:01 just run around a field Sep 19 08:56:11 long introduction, short and precise answer Â:) Sep 19 09:25:05 heh, did entire c-base just get knocked offline? Sep 19 09:26:07 no Sep 19 09:26:20 i think wlan ran out of ip's Sep 19 09:26:29 :) Sep 19 09:26:38 maybe someone booted the router Sep 19 09:27:09 howmay people are there now? Sep 19 09:27:12 many Sep 19 09:28:15 216? :) http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ Sep 19 09:28:19 that image toughtfix have on the blog is interesting. i see a lot of N810's... Sep 19 09:28:21 boo all Sep 19 09:28:45 ah inet is back Sep 19 09:29:03 taplax not all who registered there will be were and there will be some people which didnt register Sep 19 09:29:25 i put stuff on the maemo flickr pool too Sep 19 09:30:23 wb c-base people Sep 19 09:30:23 :P Sep 19 09:30:26 * Jaffa has a connection back Sep 19 09:31:08 This talk of email reminds me to check for a quoted-printable qjoting reply bug in bugzilla Sep 19 09:32:50 :) Sep 19 09:33:04 there is one thing i always am annoyed wih Sep 19 09:33:07 with Sep 19 09:33:36 the assumption that a tablet user is sitting on a desk and has a laptop next to the tablet ;) Sep 19 09:34:06 admittedly the cube thing is an interesting idea, but is this the time and place? Sep 19 09:34:59 yes. I went on holiday for 4 weeks and my n810 was my only device. Then you learn... Sep 19 09:37:03 :) Sep 19 09:37:16 so. new stuff? Sep 19 09:37:35 lets see Sep 19 09:37:35 X-Fade: yes Sep 19 09:37:49 X-Fade: or how to use it during commutes Sep 19 09:37:52 etc Sep 19 09:39:08 it could be that toughtfix's summary of reggie's talk leaves out some details, but i cant say i agree with most of the "what users want" points... Sep 19 09:39:36 but then i find canola a horrorstory, so... Sep 19 09:39:36 sitting in a bumpy bus and try to click on a link...fun Sep 19 09:39:45 * tat3 thinks users in general want _different things_ Sep 19 09:39:55 tat3: you may well be right there Sep 19 09:40:03 X-Fade: it have been done ;) Sep 19 09:41:30 X-Fade: I manage to do that fine these days Sep 19 09:41:57 X-Fade: try mahjong ;) Sep 19 09:42:32 it, uh, takes practice to hold the thing and tap precisely with only one hand so you don't get the bump desync from two arms Sep 19 09:42:42 nokia had put sudoko as default game on Sep 19 09:42:44 the world would be much better if everyone just spoke for themselves ;) Sep 19 09:42:52 "bump desync"? Sep 19 09:43:09 finally Sep 19 09:43:12 clutter will come Sep 19 09:43:13 graphics acceleration :P Sep 19 09:43:23 clutter is neat :P Sep 19 09:43:40 As he says, Ari had said that already ;-) Sep 19 09:43:41 opengl es2.0 Sep 19 09:43:42 there goes the backward compatibility ;L Sep 19 09:44:00 yeah ari hinted Sep 19 09:44:06 t_s_o: hey, it's the best I could do for how both hands don't bump in exactly the same way due to a bumpy bus Sep 19 09:44:08 just glad they're finally defining it Sep 19 09:44:15 indeed Sep 19 09:44:26 yay hardware accelerated 3d in freemantle Sep 19 09:44:43 sp3000: ah, ok. thats why i put the tablet on my leg when those kinds of issues show up ;) Sep 19 09:45:04 now how clutter performs on n8xp ;) Sep 19 09:45:05 clutter as the ui library in the sdk Sep 19 09:45:15 * Jaffa has a problem with "assuming nothing less than always online". That means people don't have to think about caching when in a dead spot, or bandwidth usage etc Sep 19 09:45:27 or cost Sep 19 09:45:30 i'm with jaffa on that one Sep 19 09:45:32 yeah Sep 19 09:45:32 carriers will love that one Sep 19 09:45:39 exactly why i asked about that at the dev session Sep 19 09:45:41 mgedmin810: s/as the/in the/ Sep 19 09:45:52 iphone is getting hurt -so- badly by bad 3g in .dk Sep 19 09:46:08 they assured me everything would always still work without network service available... but the mindset they're promoting isn't probably the best... Sep 19 09:46:09 gecko based widgets Sep 19 09:46:20 indeed Sep 19 09:46:22 jott: that smells like cpu nightmare Sep 19 09:47:09 Higher level stuff can have the libs handle battery DBUS signals etc Sep 19 09:54:46 I like the focus on user experience Sep 19 09:55:11 next special round for high profile apps includes developers getting beta devices Sep 19 09:55:28 the switch from palmos to maemo was a definite step down in the experience department Sep 19 09:55:42 more features, though Sep 19 09:56:22 alpha of next maemo sdk: november Sep 19 09:56:23 November alpha sdk Sep 19 09:56:35 beta: next march/may Sep 19 09:56:43 i wonder if that includes source packages of xorg and such Sep 19 09:56:44 :P Sep 19 09:56:54 (do ask!) Sep 19 09:57:55 proper qt4 release also march-may Sep 19 09:58:09 (schedule is preliminary) Sep 19 09:59:02 quality will be sacrificed to get the sdk out asap Sep 19 09:59:26 "please forgive us if it isn't all beautiful" Sep 19 09:59:42 release early and often :) Sep 19 09:59:49 exactly Sep 19 10:00:29 waahaha why this xkdb hacker dont give us the source code Sep 19 10:01:00 is it not GPL? Sep 19 10:01:20 could be MIT Sep 19 10:01:20 * mgedmin810 skims irclog Sep 19 10:01:28 hmm, now i need to learn to program Sep 19 10:01:45 that's awful Sep 19 10:01:56 thux: bt-308 works fine with the n800 Sep 19 10:02:42 is timeless here yet? >_> Sep 19 10:03:44 yes Sep 19 10:03:49 i'm in the front Sep 19 10:03:58 i was busy trying to figure out what's up w/ my scripts Sep 19 10:04:11 it turns out that the component i was looking into isn't currently being shipped for fremantle Sep 19 10:04:20 which would explain why it wasn't handled Sep 19 10:04:29 same appears to apply to all of the ones i'm missing Sep 19 10:15:47 mgedmin810: i cant really compare palmos to maemo, but i cant really say i find much problems with the maemo "experience"... Sep 19 10:16:25 not that i think a ui should be a experience, imo it should only be there to allow me to access the function i want to use at the moment... Sep 19 10:17:44 right Sep 19 10:18:00 and not crash all the time and be laggy Sep 19 10:18:35 I'm grumpy because the browser crashed once today Sep 19 10:19:13 the only time i see laggy interface is when the cpu is topped out doing something else Sep 19 10:19:26 and then the whole tablet rebooted Sep 19 10:19:36 for no apparent reason Sep 19 10:19:39 not seen that much since diablo Sep 19 10:19:51 ram wasn't full, cpu wasn't busy Sep 19 10:20:49 cant recall that. only time i have seen a similar reboot was when cpu was hogged for a extended time and lifebelt (or whatever its called) kicked in... Sep 19 10:21:32 and since diablo, even thats been rare Sep 19 10:23:04 t_s_o, watchdog? Sep 19 10:23:24 crashanddie: thanks Sep 19 10:41:20 I am interested in meeting anybody interested in Java on tablets here @ maemo summit ... feel free to contact me Sep 19 10:42:10 * timeless frowns Sep 19 10:44:09 jonek: cool, will do Sep 19 10:44:45 * Jaffa thinks Java could be one of the best languages to develop apps with Sep 19 10:45:15 i lost my connection, didn't i >_> Sep 19 10:45:56 hmm, rm_you still responds to pings... Sep 19 10:54:58 c-base is crazy and impressive! Sep 19 10:55:09 it is Sep 19 10:55:09 get a tour if you can from one of the members! Sep 19 10:55:13 neat Sep 19 10:55:21 should do that Sep 19 10:56:03 * Jaffa realises his plan of showing mediaserv off the tablet may be a little hindered with his broken microb Sep 19 10:56:52 * Jaffa will blame timeless ;-) Sep 19 10:58:45 Is anyone near Rodrigo Novo? Sep 19 10:59:33 <_berto_> murrayc: he was at the c-base bar Sep 19 10:59:36 Khertan_n810: how's germany? Sep 19 10:59:51 tekojo: whom did you ask for a tour? Sep 19 11:00:19 Hi ! Sep 19 11:00:30 Khertan_n810, alors? :D Sep 19 11:00:44 Stskeep : :like the last time i come :) Sep 19 11:00:50 wow Sep 19 11:01:02 :) Sep 19 11:01:06 indt portet edje to qt and c++ Sep 19 11:01:12 <_berto_> murrayc: he's at the ltalk room now Sep 19 11:01:19 etrunko presenting Sep 19 11:01:26 crashanddie: mon anglais est vraiment moisi Sep 19 11:01:31 _berto_: Front? Back? Left? Right? Sep 19 11:01:38 Khertan_n810, hahaha :D Sep 19 11:01:50 no problem to hear ... but a few understand me :) Sep 19 11:01:55 <_berto_> back, next to the door Sep 19 11:02:02 Khertan_n810, ca viendra, tkt Sep 19 11:02:23 _berto_: Thanks. I'll try to grab him soon. Sep 19 11:02:56 <_berto_> yr welcome Sep 19 11:02:59 Khertan_n810, au moins tu fais deja l'effort, et tu essayes de parler une autre langue... T'es deja au dessus de 9/10 des autres francais Sep 19 11:03:36 ouaip Sep 19 11:04:22 tekojo1, just, fyi, there's no such thing as an "N770". :P Sep 19 11:04:53 Sorry I tend to forget :-) Sep 19 11:05:08 thanks for the note, need to go and update Sep 19 11:05:21 http://pastebin.com/m385f8626 <- 770 booting Deblet (not quite at framebuffer console yet.) Sep 19 11:05:35 (thanks to aladds) Sep 19 11:05:55 bug jar! Sep 19 11:06:04 i have a picture of the last messages of the loader too Sep 19 11:06:09 March/May sounds like a long time to wait. Sep 19 11:06:13 nothing interesting though Sep 19 11:06:54 GeneralAntilles: aye; Nov will be interesting, but I get the impression it'll be fairly bare Sep 19 11:07:00 :( Sep 19 11:07:07 I may HAVE to get an Pandora as a stop-gap. Sep 19 11:07:27 or make your beagle portable? :P Sep 19 11:07:32 Hehe Sep 19 11:07:36 hehe Sep 19 11:07:42 (i saw power supply for it.. with batteries) Sep 19 11:07:44 Cthulhu heard me and made Nokia obey! Sep 19 11:07:48 GeneralAntilles: may is beta so final might even be a few cycles later... Sep 19 11:07:52 stskeeps sure Sep 19 11:07:54 It's already eco-friendly: http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929160/ Sep 19 11:07:54 They are releasing a replacement for E70! Sep 19 11:08:09 Just slap a 7" touchscreen on the top Sep 19 11:08:11 Good to go! Sep 19 11:08:22 GeneralAntilles: i've had a cardboard box media center Sep 19 11:08:24 as well :> Sep 19 11:08:30 stskeeps original they are assemblied for cellphones Sep 19 11:08:42 General: Is it pizza powered? Sep 19 11:09:03 Mr. Fussion Sep 19 11:09:04 heh, could be fun, pizza box tablet ;) Sep 19 11:09:25 That's a box from an external Firewire enclosure kit. Sep 19 11:09:29 (I think) Sep 19 11:09:33 marlboro box device :) Sep 19 11:13:35 sudden projector troubles Sep 19 11:13:58 trouble putting magic smoke back into projector? Sep 19 11:15:06 yes Sep 19 11:15:38 * mgedmin810 yawns and thinks getting up at 5 am might have been a mistake Sep 19 11:17:00 anyone able to lend me a charger during lunch? this usb power pack doesn't work.. Sep 19 11:18:11 hehe - i need a charger too! Sep 19 11:18:57 we should attach to c-base's berillium core ;-) Sep 19 11:19:12 hmpf. Mine's at the hotel.. Might as well try to get it during break Sep 19 11:22:30 so I take it having a summit on talk like a pirate day hasn't turned inconvenient yet Sep 19 11:22:32 timeless: you here? Sep 19 11:22:33 timeless: looks like canvas tags work on both old and new browser, BTW >_> Sep 19 11:22:37 Jaffa: if you need to borrow my tablet for the demo, it works very well with mplayer/dbus-laucher Sep 19 11:22:41 jonek: i am also interested in Java on tablet :P will have to find you later Sep 19 11:22:45 I see the wifi driver on garage, but still not seeing dsme code >_> Sep 19 11:22:49 or even a project for me Sep 19 11:22:51 *for it Sep 19 11:23:19 Yeah, rm_you|, I can't find DSME either. Sep 19 11:23:22 sp3000, its today? Sep 19 11:23:29 timeless: you here? Sep 19 11:23:31 timeless: looks like canvas tags work on both old and new browser, BTW >_> Sep 19 11:23:35 Jaffa: if you need to borrow my tablet for the demo, it works very well with mplayer/dbus-laucher Sep 19 11:23:37 jonek: i am also interested in Java on tablet :P will have to find you later Sep 19 11:23:54 tigert: aye! Sep 19 11:24:01 What a spammer. Sep 19 11:24:05 lol Sep 19 11:24:19 i checked the mg.poc.lt logs and it didn't look like any of my messages went through <_< Sep 19 11:24:49 *sigh* Sep 19 11:24:58 sp3000: oh no Sep 19 11:25:22 oh right, i remember now Sep 19 11:25:58 yarr matey? :P Sep 19 11:26:00 rm_you|: am going to reflash at the hotel tonight, I think Sep 19 11:26:18 everybody intersted in java@tablets: we should set up a meeting point and time with Sebastian Mancke. he is into jalimo very much and also here @c-base Sep 19 11:26:59 Jaffa, alright, i'll be here if that fails :P Sep 19 11:27:02 rm_you the irc logs lag by 5 mins Sep 19 11:27:03 count me in, I guess Sep 19 11:27:04 ta Sep 19 11:27:17 ditto - would be good Sep 19 11:27:20 a cron script generates the html every 5 mins Sep 19 11:27:25 mgedmin810, right, but i saw the messages both before and after mine, and mine werent in the middle Sep 19 11:27:38 'cuz I'm too lazy to set up a cgi or a web server Sep 19 11:27:57 heh Sep 19 11:28:07 they probably got delayed until my connection was re-established, which i didn't think would actually happen Sep 19 11:28:14 a guy is trying to do animations through a sis vga usb dongle Sep 19 11:28:20 at 0.5 fps Sep 19 11:28:23 lol Sep 19 11:28:26 qole Sep 19 11:28:36 where are you, mg? Sep 19 11:28:56 right in front Sep 19 11:29:13 ah. Sep 19 11:29:24 Oh FFS1 Stupid tablets-dev won't work in links due to its broken cookie etc Sep 19 11:29:34 heh Sep 19 11:29:36 try w3m? Sep 19 11:29:39 on links2 Sep 19 11:29:45 *or Sep 19 11:29:49 wow Sep 19 11:29:54 That was links2 Sep 19 11:29:55 that was impressive Sep 19 11:29:57 ah. Sep 19 11:30:02 tigert, you here too? Sep 19 11:30:08 to do a presentation wit openoffice impress Sep 19 11:30:13 yeah, Impress is Impressive :P Sep 19 11:30:15 in the tablet =) Sep 19 11:30:20 rm_you|: yeah Sep 19 11:30:22 still hoping for gary Sep 19 11:30:26 we were playing with Gimp yesterday at OSiM in his chroot Sep 19 11:30:28 fennec's form entry doesn't work so reflashing may be screwed as an idea Sep 19 11:30:39 fennec was pissing me off earlier today Sep 19 11:31:06 i tried the newest version, at least it doesnt crash, but it's laggy as all hell and using multiple tabs breaks the input Sep 19 11:32:21 rm_you|: its pretty impressive, the small touchscreen is the hardest thing Sep 19 11:32:33 "people on itT disagree with everything" Sep 19 11:33:35 I bet they'd disagree with that Sep 19 11:34:04 haha Sep 19 11:34:09 poor dude =) Sep 19 11:35:42 GeneralAntilles gets a menton Sep 19 11:35:46 *mention Sep 19 11:35:59 What are we doing? Sep 19 11:35:59 anyone know a decent battery monitor that'd be in debian-sid repos? Sep 19 11:36:08 BugJar lightning talk Sep 19 11:36:14 moving on to another now Sep 19 11:36:18 rm_you|: depends if you get it from HAL or not Sep 19 11:36:21 very lightninglike :P Sep 19 11:36:24 cat /proc/apm-something? :) Sep 19 11:36:32 waiting for gary to present Sep 19 11:36:40 Stskeeps, dunno, i'm running a fairly empty debootstrap on usb on my laptop >_> Sep 19 11:36:43 just set it up yesterday Sep 19 11:37:21 /proc/acpi/battery ? :P Sep 19 11:37:35 cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state Sep 19 11:37:36 present: yes Sep 19 11:37:36 capacity state: ok Sep 19 11:37:36 charging state: discharging Sep 19 11:37:36 present rate: 15372 mW Sep 19 11:37:36 remaining capacity: 1353 mWh Sep 19 11:37:38 present voltage: 11370 mV Sep 19 11:37:50 so.... hrm. that number looks smallish? Sep 19 11:38:00 i should probably shut down >_< Sep 19 11:39:14 1,1V if im reading it right Sep 19 11:39:44 GAH Sep 19 11:39:46 hm? mWh = V? Sep 19 11:39:49 yeah yapci says remaining 5 minutes Sep 19 11:39:50 lol Sep 19 11:39:55 i gotta shut down :P Sep 19 11:39:59 switching to n800 Sep 19 11:40:00 hehe Sep 19 11:40:11 no, x*J !== V Sep 19 11:40:41 Jaffa, still need the FIASCO image? Sep 19 11:40:47 as in, amp times volt makes watt or something like that... Sep 19 11:40:59 leaving as well, need to charge Sep 19 11:44:10 t_s_o, that's actually 11.3V Sep 19 11:44:24 and mWh is "milli watts per hour" Sep 19 11:44:25 GeneralAntilles: please Sep 19 11:44:34 bah, my points are rusty ;) Sep 19 11:45:36 Jaffa, I think my server at home is going into drive failure, but give me a couple minutes. Sep 19 11:45:47 it feels pretty crazy to install ubuntu inside vmware fusion Sep 19 11:45:51 FOOOOOOOD !!!! Sep 19 11:45:59 the installer runs and then you popup terminal and type on irc.. Sep 19 11:46:03 but now food yeah Sep 19 11:46:06 -> & Sep 19 11:46:35 this channel is starting to remind me of my lanparty days ;) Sep 19 11:46:46 sadly, it does Sep 19 11:47:04 feeling old, crashanddie? Sep 19 11:47:30 :) Sep 19 11:47:30 my lanparty days... That was 8 years ago when I started that Sep 19 11:47:47 wait Sep 19 11:47:48 no Sep 19 11:47:52 its over 10 years of gnome for me Sep 19 11:47:52 10 years ago Sep 19 11:48:13 crashanddie: the "oh wait no" is the scary part Sep 19 11:48:30 tigert, diaf Sep 19 11:48:30 * timeless frowns Sep 19 11:48:32 you realize its 2 years since you last counted ;) Sep 19 11:53:20 dreamweaver work drags the soul out of you, kicking and screaming. Sep 19 11:56:00 Jaffa, yeah, I think it's dead. Sep 19 11:56:05 Uploading to somewhere else from here. Sep 19 11:56:08 ETA 25 minutes Sep 19 11:58:17 GeneralAntilles: cool, ta Sep 19 12:11:33 Jaffa, URL coming in pm. Sep 19 12:33:25 timeless: YOU HERE? Sep 19 12:33:30 gah caps Sep 19 12:34:35 ls /maemosummit/people/ Sep 19 12:37:23 havent seen timeless around Sep 19 12:37:29 but I could be wrong too Sep 19 12:37:50 someone should put the channel to show in the beamer as well Sep 19 12:38:08 so that the schedule is on top of the screen and a nice scrolling view of #maemo would be on the bottom :) Sep 19 12:38:11 in the staircase Sep 19 12:38:50 timeless is here somewhere Sep 19 12:42:01 Heh. Live tigert. Sep 19 12:45:04 yay, charging Sep 19 12:46:04 RST38h: nobody recognizes me thanks to the disguise anti-beard! :) Sep 19 12:50:20 okay, who's already having a beer at the bar? :) Sep 19 12:51:42 grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Sep 19 12:51:47 unreliable inet FTL Sep 19 12:52:43 screen ftw Sep 19 12:52:48 Blafasel: :) Sep 19 12:53:05 xchat <_< Sep 19 12:53:15 Blafasel: where are you? Sep 19 12:53:17 rm_you: time to consider irssi? ;) Sep 19 12:53:29 if i had somewhere to ssh to that had irssi Sep 19 12:53:50 my server is behind a firewall, and can get to it via VPN but the VPN software i need doesnt run on maemo Sep 19 12:53:53 i'm in the room with the bar, obviously Sep 19 12:53:57 same Sep 19 12:54:01 where tho, lol Sep 19 12:54:20 nokia table. in front of ari Sep 19 12:54:24 rm_you: you can rent a shell on my server? :) Sep 19 12:54:31 lol Sep 19 12:54:33 worst dress code: me Sep 19 12:54:38 :) Sep 19 12:54:49 lol Sep 19 12:54:58 Blafasel: running around in a kilt? Sep 19 12:55:09 :) Sep 19 12:55:19 aquatix: erm.. Sep 19 12:55:25 i'm sitting next to jott Sep 19 12:55:26 not today Sep 19 12:55:28 well, he's standing Sep 19 12:55:40 actually, kilts might be fun even :/ Sep 19 12:55:54 i would totally wear one if I could afford one Sep 19 12:55:54 You guys at the summit -- what are you irc'ing from? Laptops? Tablets? Sep 19 12:55:55 no fine idea Sep 19 12:56:07 are we talking about the same bar? Sep 19 12:56:07 N800 Sep 19 12:56:11 tablet Sep 19 12:56:17 Cool Sep 19 12:56:18 c-base bar? Sep 19 12:56:24 yeah i saw you Sep 19 12:56:34 at least i think i did. i see Ari Sep 19 12:56:57 cheater. where are you Sep 19 12:57:09 do you know who jott is? Sep 19 12:57:27 not at all Sep 19 12:57:31 ah Sep 19 12:57:37 well Sep 19 12:58:01 ok Sep 19 12:58:33 later Sep 19 13:06:03 * Jaffa unbeers Sep 19 13:06:24 any highlights from summit today? Sep 19 13:06:41 Erm Sep 19 13:06:49 lol Sep 19 13:06:54 Stskeeps, tabletblog.co Sep 19 13:06:56 m Sep 19 13:06:56 erm :/ Sep 19 13:07:27 it was fun to post photos to flickr from the opening while listening to Harri's talk Sep 19 13:07:44 GeneralAntilles: ta Sep 19 13:07:45 and seeing thoughtfix type on his laptop Sep 19 13:07:55 and knowing it will be on the planet in a sec :) Sep 19 13:08:00 i hope someone gets those fremantle shots up soon Sep 19 13:08:09 t_s_o: those are not fremantle shots Sep 19 13:08:25 they are mockups of ideas tossed around during the design work Sep 19 13:08:34 are there maemo mapper hackers at the summit? Sep 19 13:08:44 heh, i know, but i didnt feel like being precise when everyone would know otherwise anyways Sep 19 13:10:10 * Jaffa knows - from being responsible (partly) - how little developed code matches designer mockups & concepts Sep 19 13:11:08 indeed, if designers had their way, we would all be using some wonderful computers that would never show a error message, ever... Sep 19 13:11:27 t_s_o: or when it does, Clippy would appear. Sep 19 13:11:34 ehehe Sep 19 13:12:35 for a moment there i wondered by you where talking about chippy (as in steve paine, umpcportal) Sep 19 13:13:05 err, why Sep 19 13:15:10 yeah, gnuite is at the summit (maemomapper dev) Sep 19 13:15:55 i suspect that interface designs are like war strategies, they never survive past a encounter with the enemy (user)... Sep 19 13:17:26 new ui is written from scratch Sep 19 13:17:47 full thumb support Sep 19 13:18:01 ok, now im scared Sep 19 13:18:24 panning integrated int gtk Sep 19 13:18:35 for scrollingareas etc Sep 19 13:19:00 more hildon widgets Sep 19 13:19:07 and we get a "report this error to microsoft" style dialog Sep 19 13:19:22 yeah with send button Sep 19 13:19:28 i saw it :) Sep 19 13:19:42 a link to the presentation? please? Sep 19 13:20:03 the network is starting to stall again Sep 19 13:20:18 RST38h: live feed Sep 19 13:20:44 not yet for download i guess Sep 19 13:20:47 jott: are you in the dev session or ui/desktop? Sep 19 13:20:53 yeah Sep 19 13:21:01 desktop Sep 19 13:21:07 track Sep 19 13:21:12 ah, ok Sep 19 13:22:16 so most widgets should be easily thumb-able now Sep 19 13:24:36 dedicated desktop buugmaster for community integration Sep 19 13:24:49 We've got the exact same issue at work atm Sep 19 13:26:46 * Jaffa wishes ppl would STFU when someone's speaking Sep 19 13:27:25 does that include tablet tapping? ;> Sep 19 13:28:03 the robot sounds are awkward Sep 19 13:28:25 Stskeeps: no, just talking loudly... Sep 19 13:29:32 gah Sep 19 13:29:57 doing everything for everyone = complexity and insane maintainability burden Sep 19 13:30:14 (stylus vs thumb) Sep 19 13:30:38 This is gnuite asking, btw Sep 19 13:32:06 are there maemo mapper hackers at the summit? Sep 19 13:32:18 ok we seriously need a hackergotchi thing, or some other way to connect names to people Sep 19 13:32:22 its a huge issue right now Sep 19 13:32:26 ircnet seems to ban c-base Sep 19 13:32:26 :) Sep 19 13:32:27 :) Sep 19 13:32:52 plus I shaved my beard so nobody recognizes me =) Sep 19 13:33:40 do it all, tigert Sep 19 13:33:48 :) Sep 19 13:34:17 i just told the guys in my back to shut it up Sep 19 13:35:13 * Jaffa grrs - SWT & Jalimo have it righter, IMHO Sep 19 13:36:20 hm? Sep 19 13:36:27 gah its hard to hear what people say Sep 19 13:36:32 jalimo? did you talk about java support already? Sep 19 13:36:47 Lower barrier to entry with reusing existing API Sep 19 13:36:59 yea, the api is a good point Sep 19 13:37:02 Stskeeps: would it be a bad thing to make udev work even though we have 2.6.16? Sep 19 13:37:23 wow the network just got boosted again Sep 19 13:37:26 Blafasel: I asked why the Gtk version has separate widgets when Jalimo SWT and Qt give you the right widgets & menus OOB Sep 19 13:37:28 who stopped warezing? :) Sep 19 13:37:53 Jaffa: ah i did not understand a word ;) Sep 19 13:37:55 :) Sep 19 13:38:02 Jaffa: and you are right Sep 19 13:38:08 jott: heh, all this talking Sep 19 13:38:12 jaffa: you got a brown shirt? :) Sep 19 13:38:15 with both assumptions Sep 19 13:38:23 tigert: yeah, an ubuntu one Sep 19 13:38:23 ok Sep 19 13:38:27 Jaffa: look to 5-o-clock Sep 19 13:38:31 well i did a bit of horrible hacking Sep 19 13:38:35 but i have a console Sep 19 13:38:35 on right, about 4 rows back Sep 19 13:38:39 :) Sep 19 13:38:39 i have a console Sep 19 13:38:42 deblet Sep 19 13:38:44 on 770 Sep 19 13:38:44 tigert: :K Sep 19 13:38:45 :D:D Sep 19 13:38:49 tigert: :) even Sep 19 13:39:09 (oO) -> "Jaffa" Sep 19 13:39:11 :) Sep 19 13:39:18 Stskeeps: console Sep 19 13:39:32 heh, another reminder from lanparty days. i recall someone ones pasted a large ascii-art to indicate where he was seated when someone asked Sep 19 13:40:17 and one other time we used a large inflateable tux on top of a server tower as a location reference ;) Sep 19 13:40:39 large unflatable tux sounds kinmky Sep 19 13:40:44 s/kinmky/kinky/ Sep 19 13:40:46 RST38h meant: large unflatable tux sounds kinky Sep 19 13:41:06 t_s_o: :) Sep 19 13:41:19 !!! Diablo counts as a major release. Therefore no guarantee of fremantle for N810. Sep 19 13:41:19 Jaffa: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. Sep 19 13:41:20 Hi there! Sep 19 13:41:25 RST38h: i think it was a suse promo thing, it had the "lizard" on it Sep 19 13:41:46 povbot: shush Sep 19 13:41:46 Jaffa: Error: "shush" is not a valid command. Sep 19 13:41:48 Jaffa: ugh, flashbacks to 770 there :( Sep 19 13:42:04 Jaffa: I would bet someone shoehorns a HE, but it's not going to be pretty Sep 19 13:42:16 Jaffa: I dont really think n810 has the power Sep 19 13:42:19 aladds: sorry, hi - no, not a bad thing Sep 19 13:42:21 but its an even bigger jump with a 3d interface.. Sep 19 13:42:32 Jaffa: wow Sep 19 13:42:33 Stskeeps: just uploading a picture Sep 19 13:42:38 Yes, but as GA likes to point out... it *was* promised Sep 19 13:42:40 aladds: you got fb working? Sep 19 13:42:40 tigert: agreed Sep 19 13:42:43 so the follow up happens here/ Sep 19 13:42:44 :D Sep 19 13:42:47 t_s_o: Inflatable tux with a lizard on it...hmmmm... Sep 19 13:42:49 :) Sep 19 13:42:49 Stskeeps: yes Sep 19 13:42:50 :D Sep 19 13:42:52 aladds: .. how? Sep 19 13:42:56 beating it into submission? Sep 19 13:42:56 :P Sep 19 13:43:04 lol Sep 19 13:43:06 sort of Sep 19 13:43:11 live follow up Sep 19 13:43:13 jott: Who promised 3d interface? Sep 19 13:43:20 RST38h: clutterf Sep 19 13:43:27 it will be used Sep 19 13:43:28 i looked at /etc/init.d/udev Sep 19 13:43:35 That is unbelievable fucking bullshit. Sep 19 13:43:36 opengl is not "3d widgets flying in space" anyway Sep 19 13:43:38 jott: any practical reason for a 3d ui? Sep 19 13:43:42 noticed how it checked to see which kernel you had Sep 19 13:43:44 and relies on gl Sep 19 13:43:50 changed it so it always returns 0 Sep 19 13:44:01 They can at least be straight with us Sep 19 13:44:01 then did /etc/init.d/udev start Sep 19 13:44:03 and say they're breaking the promise Sep 19 13:44:05 instead of making up bullshit. Sep 19 13:44:07 noticed it worked Sep 19 13:44:14 aladds: interesting Sep 19 13:44:17 RST38h: fast compositing etc Sep 19 13:44:20 then /etc/init.d/console-fb start Sep 19 13:44:25 and it came up Sep 19 13:44:26 jott: yes but why? Sep 19 13:44:27 :D Sep 19 13:44:27 aladds: neat :) Sep 19 13:44:35 aladds: i assume it was missing /dev/fb0 or something Sep 19 13:44:44 i think so yeah Sep 19 13:44:52 Diablo was _not_ a major release in any sense of the word. Sep 19 13:44:53 lardman has pointed out that PowerVR for 2420 would help ;-) Sep 19 13:44:55 Bleh Sep 19 13:44:55 RST38h: it makes sense but sucks for backwardcomaptibility Sep 19 13:45:02 it also means i can make swap work Sep 19 13:45:06 RST38h: offload cpu Sep 19 13:45:11 etc Sep 19 13:45:12 GeneralAntilles: indeed Sep 19 13:45:16 sounds like this will be the last tablet for me, pandora here i come... Sep 19 13:45:26 Nokia employees were insistent on that point. Sep 19 13:45:33 They can't turn around and claim that it was. Sep 19 13:45:38 http://www.flickr.com/photos/10211714@N03/2870416354/ Sep 19 13:45:40 Just come out and say you're breaking the promise. Sep 19 13:45:57 GeneralAntilles: I did. He shrugged Sep 19 13:46:05 Who's up there? Sep 19 13:46:22 Stskeeps: touchscreen works, i get things if i cat /dev/input/mice and touch it Sep 19 13:46:22 re Sep 19 13:46:25 jott: yes but why do you need 3d at all in your UI? Sep 19 13:46:27 aladds: :) Sep 19 13:46:31 What is wrong with 2d? Sep 19 13:46:32 Erm, name escapes me. Anyone else? Sep 19 13:46:44 Stskeeps: and the buttons work too, they all give crazy characters Sep 19 13:46:53 aladds: that's expected Sep 19 13:46:56 :P Sep 19 13:46:58 take a picture, label it "target" Sep 19 13:47:03 RST38h: 3d does not necessarily mean rotating etc Sep 19 13:47:29 RST38h: but making use of 3d chip for gui effect etc Sep 19 13:47:50 blending, zooming, scrolling Sep 19 13:48:04 basically, graphics acceleration. what ati cards did before 3d chips became big Sep 19 13:48:04 h Sep 19 13:48:07 ah Sep 19 13:48:08 all better with textures Sep 19 13:48:38 Jaffa, that still doesn't pan out, actually, because the N810W will only be getting Diablo. Sep 19 13:48:52 if one can do 3d at 30+ fps, doing 2d is nothing ;) Sep 19 13:48:54 So that's _one_ round of support, no matter how much bullshit you want to spin. Sep 19 13:49:05 then n8x0 should be able to pull it off, as long as it has some eye candy degradation Sep 19 13:49:07 oh man Sep 19 13:49:10 so timeless IS here Sep 19 13:49:13 what I suggest would make "Hackers Edition" just a set of propriertary packages you can install on top of a Debian (deblet) installation (with OSS components already in debian) Sep 19 13:49:16 d'oh Sep 19 13:49:22 just didnt see him before :) Sep 19 13:49:26 he's at stage right now Sep 19 13:49:45 GeneralAntilles: did they promise two for N810W? Sep 19 13:49:50 suihkulokki: did you notice the debian release maemo is based on? :P the dependancies are .. fucked, to say the least Sep 19 13:50:10 so there'd be quite a bit of mangling Sep 19 13:50:14 tigert: making sure we stay on-topic ;-) Sep 19 13:50:26 well, at least the wifi driver for the tablets is going open source... Sep 19 13:50:28 Stskeeps: well they need to be fixed eventually anyway Sep 19 13:50:33 suihkulokki: other than that it's an idea Sep 19 13:50:35 why is N810WE not released yet? Sep 19 13:50:41 GeneralAntilles: Desktop by Rodrigo Novo Sep 19 13:50:49 dystopia: no sprint wimax to use it on? Sep 19 13:50:53 Jaffa, there was nothing said about any specific tablet. Sep 19 13:50:56 brontide: ta Sep 19 13:51:09 Jaffa: :) Sep 19 13:51:39 dystopia: it should be released by sprint for sprint's network when sprint believes their network is ready for customers iirc Sep 19 13:51:48 dystopia: cos Sprint's wimax network's not rolled out yet Sep 19 13:51:59 i see Sep 19 13:52:00 aladds: progress on pic? :> Sep 19 13:52:19 suihkulokki: but what i'd really like to see is many of the excellent apps for maemo work for debian too :P Sep 19 13:52:22 texrat reports he's been using it though... its half rolled out? :0) Sep 19 13:52:23 (the oss ones) Sep 19 13:52:31 Stskeeps: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10211714@N03/2870416354/ Sep 19 13:52:43 woop Sep 19 13:52:43 dystopia: true - testing at least Sep 19 13:52:43 ! Sep 19 13:53:05 Any here using Mamona on N8x0? Sep 19 13:53:24 aladds: feel free to post to the Deblet on the 770 post on ITT with this picture Sep 19 13:53:52 aladds: how fast does it boot? Sep 19 13:54:00 quite quick Sep 19 13:54:10 i could film it if you want? :P Sep 19 13:54:14 and youtube it Sep 19 13:54:17 hehe, okay Sep 19 13:54:31 Anunakin, yes Sep 19 13:54:46 hey, if you post photos to flickr, put them on the "maemo" group pool as well Sep 19 13:55:12 tigert: i'm not entirely sure it's fitting for maemo though since it's an alternative to maemo :P Sep 19 13:55:21 aladds: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=deblet has some videos already Sep 19 13:55:44 does "High definition cameras for content creation." means the N900 will contain a good camera? Sep 19 13:55:54 Stskeeps: but are any of them on a 770? ;) Sep 19 13:56:02 aladds: hehe Sep 19 13:56:10 aladds: was meant as things to tag with:P Sep 19 13:56:20 ah right Sep 19 13:56:23 dystopia: I specifically asked screen facing or back facing and they said it was intended for taking and sharing photots Sep 19 13:56:43 dystopia, high resolution, anyway. Sep 19 13:56:52 What that says about sensor quality, well. . . . ;) Sep 19 13:57:11 Stskeeps: I meant in general Sep 19 13:57:12 hmmm... taking and sharing photos of yourself or the rest of the world? :> Sep 19 13:57:16 not that actual photo Sep 19 13:57:24 I would guess at least 2mp Sep 19 13:57:40 carl zeiss? Sep 19 13:57:44 ha Sep 19 13:58:13 N95's current camera, perhaps Sep 19 13:58:22 bbl bus Sep 19 13:58:34 they don't have a prototype yet ( or not that they are sharing ) so i doubt they would know that kind of specifics Sep 19 13:59:48 Correct Sep 19 13:59:59 There was some discussion, second hand, about Nokia *maybe* supplying beagle board firmware to hardware hackers ( like dsp and 3d apps ) Sep 19 14:00:11 Unless the N900 is just a portable Beagleboard Sep 19 14:00:42 Hehe, well, in effect it is. ;) Sep 19 14:01:11 * Jaffa is now in "Real Time Comms" Sep 19 14:01:29 hi Sep 19 14:01:34 GeneralAntilles: well I guess you have your council work cut out for ya' Sep 19 14:01:44 Nokia loves making me wrong. Sep 19 14:02:17 :) Sep 19 14:02:55 Maybe if I just change my line to "everything will suck" I might at least be wrong in a good way. . . . Sep 19 14:03:55 I'm not in love with HSPA... I will live with it only if the price is right <$400USD Sep 19 14:04:06 Peter was just saying they want *everyone* to want the next tablet Sep 19 14:04:16 Ha Sep 19 14:05:23 GeneralAntilles: going for the reverse psychology angle? ;) Sep 19 14:05:57 more like the deperate angle Sep 19 14:06:01 Jaffa: in other words, they are gunning for sheple approval rating, iphone style? Sep 19 14:06:11 Jaffa, they gonna make it $200? Sep 19 14:06:34 Or just force everybody into an upgrade. . . . Sep 19 14:06:42 They've been saying "more expensive", quite explicitly Sep 19 14:06:58 or resizable :D Sep 19 14:07:18 No way a +$500USD unit would be suicide for the platform Sep 19 14:07:22 ^ Sep 19 14:07:28 You're in MID territory there. Sep 19 14:07:29 We were told to, "Get more money." Sep 19 14:07:54 right now? Sep 19 14:08:09 I'm in the wrong session, dammit Sep 19 14:09:10 Cor, a timsamoff Sep 19 14:09:11 at $200-$350 it's a good deal for a utility and a toy... at +$500 without a phone, but with the costs of a data plan... it's crazy talk Sep 19 14:10:02 3g should be an optional upgrade Sep 19 14:10:19 where are you guys? Sep 19 14:10:32 browser Sep 19 14:11:07 dev Sep 19 14:11:22 RTC Sep 19 14:11:34 rtc Sep 19 14:11:54 Rtc Sep 19 14:12:12 I like the 3G stuff a lot, I'm more concerned with the unitprice, not the data plan Sep 19 14:13:11 with an optional 3g module it could be cheeper Sep 19 14:13:11 Blafasel: agreed Sep 19 14:14:31 i've 3g in my phone and only one contract Sep 19 14:16:11 In the UK, someone's pointed out to me a pay-as-you-go SIM-only HSPA deal for mobile broadband which works out at 5ukppm Sep 19 14:16:35 Means I could get a cheaper, smaller, simpler, longer battery-life phone Sep 19 14:16:51 that's about 8 eur? let me ask google Sep 19 14:17:04 http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869595647/in/set-72157607375406663/ <- hell yes they are going to gun for the iphone segment... Sep 19 14:17:13 Yeah, about 8eur Sep 19 14:17:30 1GB usage included Sep 19 14:17:59 Totally changes my ideas about HSPA Sep 19 14:18:31 in germany you can have unlimited mobile internet for 10 euro Sep 19 14:18:48 bongo: where? educate me Sep 19 14:18:56 Is there streaming video of the summit anywhere? I'd really like to catch Tim Samoff's "Maemo User Interface Issues" presentation tomorrow. Sep 19 14:19:01 I don't even want to talk about US Mobile internet prices Sep 19 14:19:02 fi too, though I pay 15 because I'm überlazy Sep 19 14:19:08 www.1und1.de Sep 19 14:19:17 ugh Sep 19 14:19:25 see "mobiles internet" Sep 19 14:19:31 andrewfblack, ++ Sep 19 14:19:37 (I think there might have been small print saying 3G/mo though) Sep 19 14:19:47 bongo: hehe.. no. Sep 19 14:19:59 no what? Sep 19 14:20:08 but which service are they reselling? t-mobile? Sep 19 14:20:27 i tried to find out but didn't find anything Sep 19 14:20:28 no, that company is not an option :) Sep 19 14:20:34 he he Sep 19 14:21:07 mh, that's the problem. i would like to try it for 3 months Sep 19 14:21:19 but you have to singn in for 2 years Sep 19 14:21:19 BTW since there are a few people around can a few check out my newly redesigned http://www.tabletos.org I turned it into kinda a Link Page for tablets. Right now I'm just looking for Comments like The whole Idea Sucks or the Whole idea is cool. Its not done yet jst throwing a preview out there. Sep 19 14:21:50 Google home page for tablets? Sep 19 14:22:03 I'd make the "TabletOS" banner in the left a little less ugly. Sep 19 14:22:11 It's squished up against the edge here. Sep 19 14:22:17 Its just text right now Sep 19 14:22:18 Other than that it looks nice. Sep 19 14:22:20 "food"? Sep 19 14:22:35 it is a bit slow Sep 19 14:22:36 Invalid command 'ARGARGARG', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration. Sep 19 14:22:41 or is the network here finally overloaded? Sep 19 14:22:48 Blafasel: where are you from? Sep 19 14:22:59 I havn't decided if i'm going to go with a text logo or a image trying to keep it fast loading Sep 19 14:23:20 my benchmarks have it loading at about 0-2 secs on 56k Sep 19 14:23:51 andrewfblack: go for fast, please Sep 19 14:23:58 bongo: cologne Sep 19 14:24:06 GeneralAntilles: what do you think about the scroll arrows on the screen? Sep 19 14:24:15 Stupid Idea? Sep 19 14:24:23 hmm, the links are full screen, make stylus scrolling a issue. and im no fan of the arrows... Sep 19 14:24:26 andrewfblack: Looks OK to me, but I'm a content-type of person, I don't look at glamour so I don't ask for icons and stuf. Sep 19 14:24:31 andrewfblack, I'm not sure. Sep 19 14:24:45 blafasel: yeah, i live there, too ;) Sep 19 14:24:51 They may be largely pointless for a lot of people. Sep 19 14:24:57 hehe.. nice Sep 19 14:25:04 But I doubled the size of the default scrollbar just so I could thumb it. Sep 19 14:25:20 Fremantle is going to have multiple simultaneous VoIP calls (i.e. conferncing) and hold/unhold Sep 19 14:25:27 ehrenfeld for me, working in the cologne tower Sep 19 14:25:32 GeneralAntilles: yeah I'm thinking the same this site does scroll well just click and draging in middle of screen Sep 19 14:26:43 I've been gathering moble links for a while I still have alot to add and I'm going to start a itT post or something to submit new ones Sep 19 14:27:16 andrewfblack: awesome favicon =) Sep 19 14:27:32 :biggrin: Sep 19 14:27:59 yeah =) Sep 19 14:28:01 :D Sep 19 14:28:07 tigert: I do all that work and you notice the favicon lol Sep 19 14:28:15 java question.. Sep 19 14:28:17 <- the artist Sep 19 14:28:28 thats a neat idea for a site btw Sep 19 14:28:55 new favicon and maybe a banner depending on how small I can make the file will come soon Sep 19 14:29:01 I need to try that with the tablet Sep 19 14:30:04 its a bit smaller than 9mm per row ;) Sep 19 14:30:19 I've been running the site through benchmarkers and load timers for the last day in a half and making it as fast as I can Sep 19 14:30:21 Gnuton, you mind if I move the new Qt4 article on the wiki to "Qt4 Hildon"? We don't do camelCase on the wiki. ;) Sep 19 14:31:14 andrewfblack: you could show/hide the subcategories with css? Sep 19 14:31:43 instead of reopening page? Sep 19 14:31:46 I've been thinking of that Sep 19 14:31:49 dunno if its faster in the end to load the whole thing at first and then just show the correct page Sep 19 14:32:01 as opposed to loading each level separatedly Sep 19 14:32:13 hard to tell Sep 19 14:32:21 depends on connection speed Sep 19 14:32:53 Well, what's the total size of the page with everything? Sep 19 14:33:12 9955 bytes is the font page Sep 19 14:33:24 GenralAntilles: why don´t you like the camel? i just kidding.. you can move it.. I´ll update the webpage Sep 19 14:33:33 Even an EDGE connection can handle 10KB/sec. Sep 19 14:34:04 Thanks! There'll be a redirect, so if you have any old links sitting around it wont be an issue. Sep 19 14:34:10 they didn't ask for 'whitespace' lovers Sep 19 14:34:55 <_berto_> or brainfuck Sep 19 14:34:57 GeneralAntilles: that´s good! Sep 19 14:35:50 Anyone have an opinion on the scroll arrows? Thinking about ditching them Sep 19 14:36:12 _berto_: surrender to malbolge :) Sep 19 14:36:20 would cut 2k off the site lol Sep 19 14:36:38 <_berto_> :D Sep 19 14:37:04 andrewfblack: ditch them Sep 19 14:37:57 andrewfblack: ditch - it's inconsistent with everything else Sep 19 14:40:26 ok they are gone Sep 19 14:41:47 ok one more question the thing in bottom that makes font smaller/larger if I ditch it I will drop 1 http request and almos 1k any ideas? Sep 19 14:42:04 Ditch Sep 19 14:42:07 We have zoom buttons. Sep 19 14:42:22 zactly Sep 19 14:45:27 ok up top in header there is a grandient its only like 400bs and 1 http request should I drop it or keep it Sep 19 14:46:42 I considered dropping the arrow to right of liks also but its only like 400b and I think it makes the site look good Sep 19 14:47:08 I wouldn't worry too much. Sep 19 14:47:17 Connecting to the server takes by far the most time right now. Sep 19 14:47:36 really is no way to speed that up Sep 19 14:48:13 Remember if my server runs slow blame Qole its his fault Sep 19 14:48:32 hehe Sep 19 14:48:50 and a little bit of Qwerty12s fault also Sep 19 14:49:12 Moi? I store medium sized files :P Sep 19 14:49:46 so far this month people have downloaded 50GB of data from Qoles account with me Sep 19 14:50:05 Yeah Qwerty12 your way behind Qole Sep 19 14:51:10 I still only use about 0.4tb out of 6tb a month Sep 19 14:52:18 * qwerty12 puts Fremantle on the the server to make people download off my space, muahahahaha Sep 19 14:53:02 lol, my goal is to use all 6TB of bandwidth in amonth thats why I started giving away space Sep 19 14:53:21 I even removed upload limit on most people Sep 19 14:53:28 nice Sep 19 14:56:50 buy me a beer and I tell more Sep 19 14:56:54 nice quote Sep 19 14:59:25 hmm Sep 19 14:59:27 crap Sep 19 14:59:37 we are in a need of a minidvi -> vga converter in the downstairs room Sep 19 14:59:43 if anyone has one, it would be awesome Sep 19 15:00:01 I remember someone had a macbook around..? Sep 19 15:00:10 and possibly has an adapter? Sep 19 15:00:34 lol Sep 19 15:00:35 what's on schedule now? Sep 19 15:00:41 Calling IRC! Calling IRC! Sep 19 15:00:52 :) Sep 19 15:00:53 yeah Sep 19 15:00:58 PAGING I-R-C! Sep 19 15:01:10 multimedia talk in downstairs room Sep 19 15:01:15 yes Sep 19 15:01:16 tigert, that's a weird way of typing :) Sep 19 15:01:26 it will be less-than-multi -media if we cannot find the adapter... :) Sep 19 15:01:34 bilboed-tp: :) Sep 19 15:01:48 tigert: what's the topic? Sep 19 15:02:06 tigert, just get everybody to cluster around the laptop. ;) Sep 19 15:02:07 ask via microphone in each room? Sep 19 15:02:22 tigert: i have such required adaptor here, however i doubt you're in the uk Sep 19 15:02:33 use the camera to view the laptop screen... Sep 19 15:02:34 aladds: lol Sep 19 15:02:52 that solution was used last year at Akademy for a presentation too :) Sep 19 15:03:34 aladds: I'm in the UK, where can I steal your adapter from? Sep 19 15:04:07 yay, free chili con carne Sep 19 15:04:17 where is the free chili? Sep 19 15:04:21 'slightly burned, please donate' Sep 19 15:04:32 c-base, big room Sep 19 15:04:52 where the bar is locatedr Sep 19 15:05:05 okay, but I'll wait for the veggie chili Sep 19 15:05:22 is C-Base so big you guys need IRC to communicate lol Sep 19 15:05:36 uhm. chili without carne? that's elsewhere I guess Sep 19 15:05:49 Blafasel: the announcement said that it would follow later Sep 19 15:06:17 andrewfblack: irc is friendlier for the presentations/talks going on than shouting across the room :P Sep 19 15:06:17 should veggie chili be ready first since there is no meat to cook Sep 19 15:06:41 both were only warmed from earlier, afaik Sep 19 15:06:50 qwerty12: how long do you need it for? Sep 19 15:06:53 and this one a tiny bit too much Sep 19 15:07:07 the chili CON carne was prepared last night and burned this afternoon. Sep 19 15:07:08 * Jaffa can smellthe chili someone has Sep 19 15:07:12 aladds: lol, I'm joking :) Sep 19 15:07:22 fine :P Sep 19 15:07:31 chili SANS carne however is being prepared as we speak and will take another hour I think Sep 19 15:07:36 Oh god I'm hungry. Sep 19 15:07:39 its not that badly burnrd really Sep 19 15:07:46 usually we do not burn our ood Sep 19 15:07:46 All the stuff I have has VGA ports on it anyway :/ Sep 19 15:07:48 food Sep 19 15:07:51 its nice and spicy Sep 19 15:08:12 housetier: it read that its slightly burned ,) Sep 19 15:08:15 ;) Sep 19 15:08:20 Bah, why's it being served in the middle of sessions?! Sep 19 15:08:36 tigert, well from my point of view it is ruined but I will try it anyway Sep 19 15:08:40 Because its delicious? :) Sep 19 15:08:41 I am STARVING Sep 19 15:09:00 Jaffa, can't argue with tigert's logic. Sep 19 15:09:04 "Der Hunger treibts rein und der Ekel treibt es runter" Sep 19 15:11:24 housetier: sounds disgusting :D Sep 19 15:12:34 actually it's quite good Sep 19 15:12:45 it is not too bad at all Sep 19 15:12:53 makes you want a beer though Sep 19 15:12:56 just lie to youself and call it 'smoked chili' Sep 19 15:13:09 there. fixed it Sep 19 15:13:13 * Jaffa had a nice big Becks at lunch Sep 19 15:13:33 becks? ugh.. :) Sep 19 15:13:36 my german gesucks Sep 19 15:13:50 becks is good Sep 19 15:13:56 bitburger is better Sep 19 15:14:11 OMAP 3430 just confirmed in new Multimedia Framework arch diagram Sep 19 15:14:40 beck's is written in a stupid (non-german) way and a 'fashion' beer.. :-p Sep 19 15:14:58 Well, at least I got that right. :rolleyes: Sep 19 15:15:27 i almost had a disaster happen when i said weißbier Sep 19 15:15:30 Blafasel : it's not that bad, compared with the real fashion beers like Corona and shit Sep 19 15:15:48 and the guy said "ein beck's bier" Sep 19 15:15:51 or becks + shit Sep 19 15:15:52 "noooooooo" Sep 19 15:16:06 corona is ok with lime Sep 19 15:16:18 great, that means they'll change the architecture in spite of the promise and just because you had to speak up. Sep 19 15:16:23 its just not a "good" beer but its good as it is Sep 19 15:16:36 * Mek was quite amazed to see lots of germans drinking beer at a railway station at 9:00 in the morning already... Sep 19 15:16:59 Mek: or "still"? :) Sep 19 15:17:14 :) Sep 19 15:17:27 mek: a saying here is that 6 beer replace a full meal.. Sep 19 15:18:07 and that you had nothing to drink at that point/if you convert like that Sep 19 15:18:26 tigert: it then tastes like limey piss Sep 19 15:18:44 seconded Sep 19 15:18:58 * Mek never tasted limey piss... Sep 19 15:19:06 * qwerty12 has. me loved it Sep 19 15:19:15 Waiter! Moar Sep 19 15:20:23 qwerty12: what's the drinking age in the UK? Sep 19 15:20:30 summatusmentis: 18 Sep 19 15:20:47 :D Sep 19 15:20:53 of course it is. the US is so backwards about some things Sep 19 15:21:03 Jaffa: yea. but it goes nicely with grilled meat etc Sep 19 15:21:24 tigert: or 'slightly burned' chili? Sep 19 15:21:27 yes Sep 19 15:21:34 Well, that when it's legal to *buy* it, it's legal to *drink* it (in restaurants etc) much younger Sep 19 15:21:35 though this is not corona Sep 19 15:21:37 summatusmentis, crazy, isn't it? Sep 19 15:21:41 * GeneralAntilles still can't legally drink. Sep 19 15:21:45 i dont think they have it even Sep 19 15:22:25 GeneralAntilles: it's stupid. I just turned 20. Sep 19 15:22:39 Jaffa: really? see, that just makes me angry :) Sep 19 15:22:55 Just less than a month until I'm good to go, though. Sep 19 15:23:10 I've got 12 months :) Sep 19 15:23:12 summatusmentis: come to Europe, get wasted, go back :P. Plus get high if you are in Amsterdam. Sep 19 15:23:16 hehe.. 21 as drinking age is crazy Sep 19 15:23:30 I think it was 21 here a long while back Sep 19 15:23:35 I'm not really that concerned, though. Sep 19 15:23:37 qwerty12: hopefully next year I'll be able to study abroad Sep 19 15:23:39 * GeneralAntilles is definitely not a drinker. Sep 19 15:23:48 GeneralAntilles: well, right, it's just stupid Sep 19 15:24:01 The principle of the thing. ;) Sep 19 15:24:10 drinking for just drinking is Sep 19 15:24:19 stupid Sep 19 15:24:32 Blafasel: yeah, but we're allowed to drive at 16, die for our country at 18, but wait, we can't decide if we want alcohol or not until 21 Sep 19 15:24:55 anyway, you're allowed to drink beer, wine and stuff like that at the age of 16 here Sep 19 15:25:14 hmm Sep 19 15:25:23 drinking includes buying, btw :) Sep 19 15:25:41 wait, where is here? Germany? Sep 19 15:25:55 or are we still talking about the UK? Sep 19 15:26:00 blafasel: seems to be no problem for 12 year old kids Sep 19 15:26:23 summatusmentis: yes, germany ... Sep 19 15:26:48 I see Sep 19 15:28:52 * Mek thinks "Desktop Search Hackfest" is a bit an incorrect title for a talk that is 100% about tracker... Sep 19 15:29:23 kmplayer == mplayer ? Sep 19 15:29:53 kmplayer is a gui for mplayer Sep 19 15:29:56 I thought it wasn't a talk, but an actual hackfest?1 Sep 19 15:30:18 there is also a talk with that title that was going right now... Sep 19 15:31:19 pfft Sep 19 15:31:20 fix the schedule :) Sep 19 15:31:30 its a wiki... ;) Sep 19 15:32:02 heh Sep 19 15:32:21 odd, how come I can't find mplayer on the list? is it at all available in diablo repo? Sep 19 15:32:28 I got a new router last month and totally forgot to lock the wireless connect until last night I got on computer and was looking router setup and noticed 10 Computes connected, I only had 6 Conneced so I had 4 leachers on my network Sep 19 15:33:53 I think 2 of them were Ipod Touches becuase the computer name was IPOD1 and IPOD2 Sep 19 15:34:06 lol, how could you forget? I got a new router *yesterday* and removed the default accounts (admin and superuser) and hacked around to get a "root" account Sep 19 15:34:50 well I don't use the wireless that much at home, mainly for my wifes laptop which I don't touch Sep 19 15:35:21 I guess I'm to busy working on other stuff to worry about my router setup Sep 19 15:35:46 qwerty12: what kind of router did you get that allows you that kind of access? Sep 19 15:35:53 * Jaffa 's tablet is running out of juicde Sep 19 15:36:03 Heh, I wasted about 2 hours trying to bridge the router to my old one Sep 19 15:36:08 My wife wanted me to try and find out who they were before I locked them out Sep 19 15:37:10 andrewfblack: what does that get you? Sep 19 15:37:16 summatusmentis: speedtouch. but don't be fooled, it totally sucks in that regard. features are nice but web interface and cli are fucked. when I telnet into my old router, I get a usual busybox shell with normal commands. with the speed touch, I have to learn stuff like :saveall, snmp rocommunity= etc Sep 19 15:37:54 Fremantle'll have "Midas" which is a multimedia app framework Sep 19 15:38:08 summatusmentis: finding out who they are well that gets them bitched at by my wife Sep 19 15:38:22 Local/remote playback/browsing; playlist mgmt/sharing Sep 19 15:38:22 my wifi at home is intentionally open Sep 19 15:39:04 well call me cheap but I have 20meg connect(thanks to a nice Cable Man) and I don't want to share it for free lol Sep 19 15:39:29 * mgedmin only has 4 megabits per second... :/ Sep 19 15:39:48 the hackfest != the talk about hackfest Sep 19 15:39:56 Midas means built-in media player is extensible Sep 19 15:40:02 That's nice. Sep 19 15:40:13 NEON accelerated video decoding. ;) Sep 19 15:40:44 "you have to search to find the search hackfest" Sep 19 15:41:03 I used to only have 6 until my cable guy said some idiot wired my house so he rewired it and ran a staight wire to my cable modem that doesn't have any TVs or anything split off is how I got the speed I'm getting. I'm only paying for like 8 megabits Sep 19 15:41:41 20/2 at home, 5/512 here. :( Sep 19 15:41:54 mplayer is supposed to be on maemo extras, no? Sep 19 15:42:19 yeah well I got 0/0 at work stupid wifi here needs you to run a windows mobile program to get certifiate to connect Sep 19 15:42:34 andrewfblack: that's pretty cool, I'm getting 16MB here and getting billed for 8MB Sep 19 15:42:54 qwerty12: dont you just love getting more then you pay for Sep 19 15:43:08 andrewfblack: for sure :D Sep 19 15:44:36 I just wish I had better then 3.5 down Sep 19 15:44:50 I mena 3.5 up Sep 19 15:45:02 <_gregorovius_> Hi. anybody knows if there will be videos of the conference, and if, where could those be found? Sep 19 15:45:15 andrewfblack: be happy, I've only got 1MB up :/. Sep 19 15:45:27 Yes. They're not available yet Sep 19 15:45:38 Battery dead. Sep 19 15:45:38 I was thinkig of moving some of my websites to a server in my house but I don't think 3.5 up would be enough for them Sep 19 15:46:13 1 MB up? luxury! Sep 19 15:47:17 arrrg! Sep 19 15:47:30 why on maemo garage page for mplayer the download link is only an mplayer.install? Sep 19 15:47:32 sheesh Sep 19 15:47:45 I'd expect there would be a deb package Sep 19 15:48:02 <_gregorovius_> okay, thanks Jaffa Sep 19 15:48:07 liri: I'd point you straight to the deb but that means you have to resolve a lot of deps. Actually zap's apt-getit will be useful in this case. Sep 19 15:49:01 qwerty12: well here's a question Sep 19 15:49:21 qwerty12: how come if I run 'apt-cache search mplayer' from console I find the mplayer package but in application manager, it doesn't list it Sep 19 15:50:21 liri: I have no idea. Is it installed already? For example, downloading the canola youtube plugin pulls in mplayer as a dependency. Sep 19 15:50:39 qwerty12: ahh. then maybe I have it installed already Sep 19 15:50:49 qwerty12: yeah it seems to be the case Sep 19 15:51:06 liri: dpkg -l |grep mplayer Sep 19 15:51:15 or apt-cache policy mplayer Sep 19 15:51:15 back :P Sep 19 15:51:21 dpkg -l mplayer also works Sep 19 15:51:31 yeah I know how to find it Sep 19 15:51:32 also, convinced lcuk to sit down and look at datamatrix support really quick Sep 19 15:51:41 the problem was that I didn't even know that I had it installed at the first place Sep 19 15:51:42 wish us lcuk :P Sep 19 15:51:50 s/lcuk/luck/ Sep 19 15:51:50 rm_you meant: wish us luck :P Sep 19 15:51:57 lol Sep 19 15:52:35 what's datamatrix? Sep 19 15:52:46 barcode Sep 19 15:58:36 hmm, datamatrix pr built in cam? Sep 19 16:07:34 the place downstair in the c-base building is crazy. Sep 19 16:08:03 especially the huuuuge GTA4 on PS3 setup.. :-p Sep 19 16:11:38 c-base as an idea is crazy :-) Sep 19 16:12:01 s/as an idea// :P Sep 19 16:12:47 s/as an idea// Sep 19 16:12:47 tekojo meant: c-base is crazy :-) Sep 19 16:12:56 :-) Sep 19 16:15:33 c-base? Sep 19 16:16:07 Where the Maemo Summit is being held. Sep 19 16:17:21 ok. didnt really tell me much tho Sep 19 16:17:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base Sep 19 16:18:06 t_s_o: think crazy people with a lot of time and energy (and money) Sep 19 16:18:25 that could be either good, or bad ;) Sep 19 16:18:44 * Jaffa back with timsamoff's charger Sep 19 16:19:23 hehe. I finally have one as well, if anyone's in need Sep 19 16:21:41 t_s_o: let's say it's interesting and I'd join them without the distance to Berlin. Sep 19 16:23:08 But still, the story they present is awkward or, if you're not into sci-fi, idiotic. If you like creative and crazy people who build, hack, game, party it's rather cool Sep 19 16:24:46 heh, sounds like it would have been a fun place to visit indeed. but yes, traveling to berlin will not be in my near future plans, at least... Sep 19 16:25:45 kmplayer should definitely support some command arguments if it's supposed to be an mplayer frontend Sep 19 16:25:49 if you do, drop by. They are quite open imo Sep 19 16:26:10 ssvb: Sep 19 16:26:33 liri: Never used it. did you try kmplayer -- realargumentshere Sep 19 16:26:41 hello Sep 19 16:26:54 is there the maemo-browser developer around? Sep 19 16:27:08 I would love "arrow keys" feature from it in Firefox Sep 19 16:27:17 it is great with laptops Sep 19 16:27:42 Blafasel: no, but I don't see the point because it has a menu option for Player which includes Osso Media server, Mplayer and Flash Sep 19 16:27:51 (opera has that already too, shift+arrows) Sep 19 16:27:58 Blafasel: so I'd assume it would support command arguments for mplayer if it actually is a frontend to it Sep 19 16:29:09 AStorm: refering to the "jump to next link" thing? Sep 19 16:29:10 Hey, AStorm! Sep 19 16:29:21 You heard about the WLAN driver, right? Sep 19 16:29:21 t_s_o: yup Sep 19 16:29:37 GeneralAntilles: something new with prism54spi? :) Sep 19 16:29:39 liri: yep, sounds reasonable. what did you try? of course it can expose the arguments as gui options as well, since you're free to call mplayer directly if you know the parameters Sep 19 16:29:47 AStorm, open source WLAN driver is on Garage. Sep 19 16:29:57 http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 19 16:29:59 GeneralAntilles: cx3110x or prism54 spi? Sep 19 16:30:03 hmmmmmmmm Sep 19 16:30:10 Gentoo is coming... Sep 19 16:30:16 So, when can we get your kernel? :P Sep 19 16:30:28 not just kernel Sep 19 16:30:31 distro :> Sep 19 16:30:32 AStorm, just bring a stack of sd cards with you... Sep 19 16:30:35 does that mean I might get injection support? Sep 19 16:30:49 Blafasel: depends on firmware more than the driver Sep 19 16:30:52 driver is hackable Sep 19 16:30:58 Blafasel, it means you can try writing it Sep 19 16:30:59 Blafasel, it's mentioned in the README. Sep 19 16:31:08 Blafasel, also see the thread on -developers Sep 19 16:31:18 johnx_: I expected that Sep 19 16:31:24 * Jaffa seen timsaoff using maiku or whatever it is today. Looks nice Sep 19 16:31:48 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/stlc45xx-open_source_wlan_driver_for_n800_and_n810/ Sep 19 16:31:49 How does stlc45xx-cal? Do I replace wlan-cal in initfs with that? If so, shouldn't be hard. Sep 19 16:31:59 * tigert listens to the c-base talk Sep 19 16:32:00 s/stlc45xx-cal/stlc45xx-cal work/ Sep 19 16:32:00 qwerty12 meant: How does stlc45xx-cal work? Do I replace wlan-cal in initfs with that? If so, shouldn't be hard. Sep 19 16:32:02 AStorm: the keywords you're lookig for are spatial-navigation, snav Sep 19 16:32:08 GeneralAntilles: didn't look at it yet, I'm without laptop and only attend sessions here / use the tablet Sep 19 16:32:25 tigert: same Sep 19 16:32:57 its ... unique :) Sep 19 16:33:04 sp3000: yes, found no extension for Firefox that does this Sep 19 16:33:10 do you know of any? Sep 19 16:33:15 AStorm, does what? Sep 19 16:33:39 tigert: yes. creative.. Sep 19 16:33:57 AStorm: dunno, there's an implementation or two but I haven't the faintest who has what Sep 19 16:34:27 I suspect it's some fairly easy JavaScript + minor piece of XUL Sep 19 16:34:45 but I know zilch about XUL, so can't write it myself Sep 19 16:35:31 also, I don't know how to bind keys in Firefox :) Sep 19 16:36:16 ok, so the last piece now is gfx driver Sep 19 16:36:43 do we have an accelerated framebuffer X server already? Sep 19 16:37:25 AStorm, for the N8x0? or whatever's next? Sep 19 16:37:32 n8x0 Sep 19 16:37:35 omapfb Sep 19 16:38:24 an X driver that can use it correctly and has xv support Sep 19 16:38:33 correctly? hmm? Sep 19 16:38:34 and is compilable :> Sep 19 16:38:39 and we have xv support... Sep 19 16:38:43 johnx_: as in, accelerated Sep 19 16:38:53 bonus if it's already included in X.org release Sep 19 16:39:01 or at least compatible with latest Sep 19 16:39:19 must be open obviously Sep 19 16:39:31 well, you can probably use the fbdev driver in x.org Sep 19 16:39:35 but xomap is open source Sep 19 16:39:38 it's based on kdrive Sep 19 16:39:42 except that's unaccelerated... Sep 19 16:39:54 hmm, is the omap part hacked in horribly Sep 19 16:40:03 or nice separate driver as in modular X? Sep 19 16:40:08 is there some acceleration feature that isn't being taken advantage of? Sep 19 16:40:14 besides the sgx/pvr? Sep 19 16:40:32 uhm... I meant, fbdev is unaccelerated Sep 19 16:40:37 xomap obviously is Sep 19 16:40:53 accelerated...how? Sep 19 16:41:14 it's just a basic framebuffer AFAIK Sep 19 16:41:19 really? Sep 19 16:41:38 hmm, maybe it's less visible there Sep 19 16:41:50 and anyways, that's not where the bottleneck is, remember? Sep 19 16:41:52 or Xomap has some added speed hacks Sep 19 16:42:11 yes, 20 FPS is at epson chip Sep 19 16:42:35 (actually, slow transfers to it) Sep 19 16:42:48 I guess you could say xomap is "accelerated" in a sense. it probably takes advantage of whatever tricks our fb can do to speed things up Sep 19 16:43:00 johnx_: exactly what I mean Sep 19 16:43:06 is there a problem with xomap? Sep 19 16:43:12 no, there's none Sep 19 16:43:23 * johnx_ is really confused Sep 19 16:43:24 except that I'd have to wrap it and make an ebuild for it Sep 19 16:43:31 if I go through with Gentoo/ARM ;) Sep 19 16:43:36 that's easy. it's based on kdrive Sep 19 16:43:42 this *will* be good for experiments Sep 19 16:43:50 no need to "wrap" it Sep 19 16:43:50 johnx_: yes, but Gentoo now has modular X Sep 19 16:43:59 so build it seperately Sep 19 16:44:05 debian has modular x too Sep 19 16:44:05 uhm.... Sep 19 16:44:12 "build it" Sep 19 16:44:17 Gentoo is source-based Sep 19 16:44:22 yes Sep 19 16:44:23 it wants ebuilds Sep 19 16:44:28 steal another kdrive's ebuild Sep 19 16:44:34 let me check Sep 19 16:44:38 like xephyr Sep 19 16:44:42 wrong Sep 19 16:44:51 xephyr is USE=kdrive to xorg-server Sep 19 16:44:53 :P Sep 19 16:45:19 so, I'd have to hack the main ebuild somewhat... Sep 19 16:45:22 pretend I don't use gentoo Sep 19 16:45:41 or alternatively, diff that kdrive vs mainline Sep 19 16:45:46 then hack the diff to hell Sep 19 16:45:55 are you saying that they somehow integrated the kdrive build process into xorg-server? Sep 19 16:45:59 sure Sep 19 16:46:02 as in...they made it less modular? Sep 19 16:46:10 no, it's an option Sep 19 16:46:25 you can build xorg-server statically with USE=kdrive Sep 19 16:46:32 that gets you tiny xserver Sep 19 16:46:32 wonder how this is handled in debian... Sep 19 16:46:51 I mean, USE="static kdrive" Sep 19 16:47:10 dynamic kdrive is just usual modular X server, but with some added features from kdrive Sep 19 16:47:23 kdrive has been actually integrated into xorg-server (mostly?) Sep 19 16:47:35 ah, ok, that's news to me then Sep 19 16:47:50 maybe steal an *older* ebuild for it, before it was integrated Sep 19 16:47:57 that would be the path of least resistance Sep 19 16:48:12 possibly Sep 19 16:48:20 or I could diff Xomap vs its base Sep 19 16:48:32 see what they changed and port the changes to main X server Sep 19 16:48:47 for an xf86-video-omap Sep 19 16:49:37 actually, there *is* x11-base/kdrive Sep 19 16:49:40 version 4.3.0 Sep 19 16:49:49 and there you are :) Sep 19 16:50:34 hmmm...I guess I vaguely remember talk of integrating xomap into debian's build system for x11 Sep 19 16:50:52 I've been out of the x11 build system for a long time. It's been nice Sep 19 16:51:35 hmm Sep 19 16:51:45 USE="kdrive sdl" builds xsdl Sep 19 16:51:50 hmmhmm Sep 19 16:52:09 do we have an accelerated SDL driver already Sep 19 16:52:15 so you can't specifically say emerge x-server-xephyr Sep 19 16:52:17 ? Sep 19 16:52:34 to a certain extent Sep 19 16:52:45 I'm sure there's room to make it faster Sep 19 16:53:00 johnx_: yes, here you can't Sep 19 16:53:08 but xorg-server does have xephyr inside Sep 19 16:53:25 as long as you know the right build flags to make it happen Sep 19 16:53:27 and USE=kdrive builds xfbdev Sep 19 16:53:41 assuming supported drivers are enabled Sep 19 16:53:54 USE=minimal disables dlopened modules and builds them in Sep 19 16:54:21 I know that gentoo has some great points...but I think I'll definitely stick to debian... Sep 19 16:54:32 anyone seeing gary? i look like an idiot if i pass everyone, looking at the badge Sep 19 16:54:41 A funny thought occurs to me. Sep 19 16:54:50 johnx_: so, I'll have to grab Xomap Sep 19 16:54:54 The Beagle is only a little more expensive than an iPhone SDK license. Sep 19 16:54:55 diff it against its base Sep 19 16:55:23 then see what they changed, except bugfixes which are already in new xorg Sep 19 16:55:52 at worst, I can just provide patched x11-base/kdrive Sep 19 16:56:24 do you get to make a new USE flag? USE="omap" or something? Sep 19 16:56:39 it depends on how I do it Sep 19 16:56:51 can create a new ebuild entirely, like, x11-base/xomap Sep 19 16:56:58 and make it provide virtual/x11 Sep 19 16:57:40 * johnx_ thinks that makes the most sense...but has also been accused of being a dirty debian user Sep 19 16:57:48 not really the best Sep 19 16:58:00 the best would be adding a patch against new xorg-server Sep 19 16:58:06 which already has kdrive in Sep 19 16:58:25 and add new VIDEO_CARDS option Sep 19 16:59:30 first, I need an url to source of Xomap and also info what it's based on :> Sep 19 16:59:43 based on kdrive-xfbdev Sep 19 16:59:54 uhm, version Sep 19 17:00:02 AStorm: Source of which Xomap? Sep 19 17:00:07 let me just find you the source... Sep 19 17:00:13 qwerty12: hmm? Sep 19 17:00:21 Maemo Xomap or plain Xomap? Sep 19 17:00:30 what's the difference? Sep 19 17:01:13 No idea, I haven't really been following this convo so I dunno if it's what you want. Sep 19 17:01:38 I actually want a semi-accelerated (at least) X server :> Sep 19 17:02:05 and the best way to do this is to provide a patch on top of xorg-server 1.4.x or 1.5.x Sep 19 17:02:23 now I got a cool media center at home - videos that play on mythtv are also streamed with vlc and I can catch the stream with the tablet (it's streamed on real-time, i.e: with the video played progress) Sep 19 17:02:28 I see :) Sep 19 17:02:35 patch vs original kdrive is ok too, I could try porting Sep 19 17:02:52 qwerty :) Sep 19 17:03:42 AStorm, this is likely what you want: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/x/xorg-server/ Sep 19 17:03:46 version 1.3.99 Sep 19 17:04:00 Hey penguinbait Sep 19 17:04:15 1.3.99... a bit old Sep 19 17:04:22 but not too old to make porting hard Sep 19 17:04:42 like they say "if it ain't broke let it sit until it succumbs to bit rot." Sep 19 17:04:51 I'll be able to move it to 1.4.2 at least Sep 19 17:04:59 1.5 will be harder due to new modesetting Sep 19 17:05:17 AStorm: what kind of acceleration for X server do you want? Sep 19 17:05:42 ssvb: any that will make it work fast? :> Sep 19 17:06:04 what omapfb mplayer driver does is good Sep 19 17:06:44 exa driver would be a great boon Sep 19 17:07:02 but I should be able to port xaa driver to exa Sep 19 17:09:10 I'm not sure if exa can provide any performance improvement Sep 19 17:11:18 but I may be wrong, we just need to find something that can be HW accelerated Sep 19 17:11:57 scaling is already used by Xv, there are patches for rotation Sep 19 17:12:00 what next? Sep 19 17:13:54 true tearsync is a bit tricky, but might be done Sep 19 17:14:29 AStorm: you're welcome to hack omap support into newest xorg really, where kdrive is intergrated :P Sep 19 17:14:49 i think some of the linux-onarm people started a stub Sep 19 17:15:51 johnx_: think deblet's new motto can be "No Tablet Left Behind" and the distro for people who want to paint the bikeshed in a different colour ;) Sep 19 17:16:23 Stskeeps: so, I'll contact them when I get this to work Sep 19 17:16:53 Stskeeps, sounds good to me. nice to see people finally getting behind alternat distro projects and not just putting their fate in Nokia's hands Sep 19 17:17:30 johnx_: saw the 770 pic+vid? Sep 19 17:18:00 saw the post Sep 19 17:18:05 haven't watched it yet Sep 19 17:18:07 oki Sep 19 17:18:28 vid isnt that entertaining but shows it actually boots just as well as a n800 Sep 19 17:19:07 prolly around as fast as a zaurus with pxa27x Sep 19 17:19:38 video is without dash so Sep 19 17:19:46 dunno how fast it is with Sep 19 17:20:20 AStorm: i'm greatly interested in new xorg and buildable in sane surroundings, with omapfb support atleast Sep 19 17:20:32 :) Sep 19 17:20:52 (xorg-server on maemo breaks when building under new header files) Sep 19 17:21:01 good thing everyone's not as lazy as me :) Sep 19 17:21:25 hehe, you did a lot of the ground work Sep 19 17:21:59 ...and I was going to leave things at beta3 for the most part Sep 19 17:23:40 i'm intruiged by people porting fedora.. didn't know they were at all interested in ARM Sep 19 17:23:56 I think everyone is these days Sep 19 17:25:18 yay arm! Sep 19 17:25:25 arm is interesting Sep 19 17:25:33 it's endian agnostic! Sep 19 17:25:37 ^_^ Sep 19 17:25:37 CISC should have been strangled long ago Sep 19 17:25:41 noo Sep 19 17:25:44 GeneralAntilles: ping Sep 19 17:25:49 Jaffa, pong. Sep 19 17:25:57 nemo, that seems to be the goal of the cortex a8 Sep 19 17:26:27 interesting. hadn't heard of it Sep 19 17:26:39 nemo, it's the ARM core in the omap3 Sep 19 17:26:48 and of course intel is trying to cram its CISC into an itsy bitsy low-power form. Sep 19 17:26:53 GeneralAntilles: will you be about at 8am GMT tomorrow? We're wondering about trying to do a vid conference with the overhead camera. Sep 19 17:26:57 not sure how well that's working Sep 19 17:27:22 4 AM EDT? Sep 19 17:27:23 No way in hell. Sep 19 17:27:25 nemo, they're losing performance in the process and not really hitting incredible performance Sep 19 17:27:53 GeneralAntilles: you're usually up 24/7 ;-p Sep 19 17:28:00 Usually Sep 19 17:28:06 But I'm getting back on a real schedule Sep 19 17:28:14 and people are gonna be here for the weekend. Sep 19 17:28:14 Bah Sep 19 17:28:23 Fair enough Sep 19 17:28:33 johnx_: the one thing I loved about x86 was that there was an instruction for *everything* - the fact that you could write an entire app that wrote out to a monitor with just a few instructions. Sep 19 17:28:35 I'm full of excuses. Sep 19 17:28:40 Wanna try another angle? :D Sep 19 17:28:54 johnx_: now that RISC is 64 bits long, are there magic instructions out there? Sep 19 17:29:15 GeneralAntilles: lardman says a likely story ;-) Sep 19 17:29:41 * GeneralAntilles is even gonna be tailgating tomorrow. Sep 19 17:30:07 nemo, dunno actually. I just follow the big picture. cortex a8 = fast. atom = not as fast as it should be. Sep 19 17:35:39 hmm, power management to go open source? Sep 19 17:35:53 A lot of it already is. Sep 19 17:36:12 yeah, most of it is controlled "the right way" by now Sep 19 17:36:18 through iwconfig and /sys Sep 19 17:36:42 I'm surprised more HW manufacturers haven't gone OSS already Sep 19 17:36:49 seems it'd save them a lot of trouble in retaining coders Sep 19 17:37:06 continual update cycles, chasing the OS manufacturers... Sep 19 17:37:08 nemo: IP leake worries... Sep 19 17:37:25 t_s_o: they should have kept the interfaces more abstract :) Sep 19 17:38:36 a lot of HW manufacturers are taking the kernel and slapping their own UI on it Sep 19 17:38:46 then there is silly things like those winmodems of old, where most of the actual work was done inside the driver... Sep 19 17:38:51 sony mylo, archos, motrola phones Sep 19 17:39:26 t_s_o: It's not silly. They were really cheap. Sep 19 17:39:47 overpriced sounds cards Sep 19 17:40:08 derf: cheap yes, but unless you used windows, forget about getting them working... Sep 19 17:40:20 t_s_o: They pretty much all work now. Sep 19 17:40:23 They haven't gone away. Sep 19 17:40:58 But I would be upset if they 56k modem in my laptop had any appreciable manufacturing cost. Sep 19 17:41:02 *the Sep 19 17:41:18 Since I never use the thing, and couldn't have told them to leave it off. Sep 19 17:41:26 and what about current day wifi, where i uspect part of the reason for not releasing interface specs is that the wifi is channel locked in software, not hardware... Sep 19 17:41:47 t_s_o: It is. Again, it's cheaper that way. Sep 19 17:41:51 Imagine the chaos. Sep 19 17:42:12 t_s_o: sure. that's why scanners write their own drivers Sep 19 17:42:34 t_s_o: my laptop has one of those, in case I need it. Sep 19 17:42:42 For some reason the taskbar is disappearing on the home screen. Sep 19 17:42:48 yup, deblet supports 13 channels Sep 19 17:42:53 one less than I want, but meh Sep 19 17:43:08 johnx_: cos we don't calibrate the wifi, eh? :P Sep 19 17:43:16 (i'm not sure that's 100% legal really..) Sep 19 17:43:22 I was pissed when I was travelling in Europe and the WAP outside my hotel room was on a channel that's restricted in the US. Sep 19 17:43:24 Stskeeps, it is for me here Sep 19 17:43:47 I don't know about the rest of you Sep 19 17:43:51 And of course no one there had any idea what I was talking about when I tried to explain the problem to them and get someone to change it. Sep 19 17:43:52 Stskeeps: wlan-cal calibrates the wifi which is always ran on initfs start Sep 19 17:43:55 just be glad I'm not turning anyone in :D Sep 19 17:43:57 I just figured in infastructure mode it would pick that up and use it Sep 19 17:43:57 derf: and in france some of the us wifi channels are on a military band... Sep 19 17:44:21 t_s_o: Right. I'm sure the band is used for something else in the US. Sep 19 17:44:30 But I wasn't in the US. I just had a US wifi card. Sep 19 17:44:41 This is one of the reasons I want to be able to write to CAL. Have access to that, switching wifi bands isn't hard. Sep 19 17:44:44 and if the hardware companies opened up, they would be slapped silly by fcc and friends... Sep 19 17:44:56 qwerty12: not sure linuxrc does that really :P also we rmmod cx3110x and umac Sep 19 17:45:04 it should probly. Sep 19 17:45:09 Yes, it would be actually illegal for them to do. Sep 19 17:45:32 Stskeeps: linuxrc *should* do that. But if you rmmod cx3110x and umac, then that could make a difference Sep 19 17:45:36 so what saves them a dime, cost us in versatility... Sep 19 17:45:51 They sell a lot of units. That's a lot of dimes. Sep 19 17:46:01 And most of them aren't to Linux users. Sep 19 17:46:07 t_s_o, nah. they'd have to lock it in hardware and have different versions otherwise Sep 19 17:46:13 then there would be no hacking it Sep 19 17:46:32 different versions for different areas Sep 19 17:46:33 in other words, where would the fun be then, johnx_? Sep 19 17:47:01 if we had more expensive wifi solution locked in hardware I wouldn't be enjoying channel 13 right now Sep 19 17:47:06 Yeah, at least this way you can violate FCC regulations without fabricating a new chipset. Sep 19 17:47:26 If that's what you really want to do. Sep 19 17:47:36 Stskeeps: AStorm: all patches are of course greatly appreciated :) Sep 19 17:47:37 or use the frequencies that are legally accessible in the country you're in... Sep 19 17:47:42 mooooo Sep 19 17:47:51 m00 RST38h. m00 Sep 19 17:47:59 johnx_: On a device surely not licensed for use there. Sep 19 17:48:06 johnx: hacking newly opened wifi driver? =) Sep 19 17:48:27 RST38h, nah. the old one works ok. I'm more interested in usability than low level stuff Sep 19 17:48:28 kulve: against xorg-server? ok :) Sep 19 17:48:35 I'll let more clueful people hack it Sep 19 17:48:40 derf: This is not violating FCC regulations Sep 19 17:49:00 RST38h, using 802.11 channel 13 in the US is Sep 19 17:49:03 Blowing up a homemade EM bomb is Sep 19 17:49:06 derf: you can violate FCC regulations anywhere Sep 19 17:49:11 with anything Sep 19 17:49:16 e.g. modded antenna Sep 19 17:49:27 johnx: but who is gonna know, at 100mwt... Sep 19 17:49:30 no need to hack the driver Sep 19 17:49:35 AStorm: yes. We use mainly Xorg, and it would be great to have anything ported from the Xomap to that Sep 19 17:49:49 Any news from the summit? Sep 19 17:49:49 kulve: if there is anything important to port, I will try Sep 19 17:49:59 RST38h, the shadow knows what FCC non-compliance lurks in the hearts of men... Sep 19 17:50:21 the XV stuff would be the priority I guess. Otherwise there's no hope of video with Xorg Sep 19 17:50:31 AStorm: http://www.linux.onarm.com/gitweb/?p=n8x0/source/xf86-video-fbdev-omap.git;a=summary Sep 19 17:50:38 FCC certs are pointless Sep 19 17:50:41 (from kulve's stuff) Sep 19 17:50:43 I mean, enforcing compliance Sep 19 17:51:02 just make the reference firmware and state that anyone using hacked one is non-compliant already Sep 19 17:51:15 btw, Nokia listened to my prayers and going to release E72 Sep 19 17:51:28 Too bad the display will most likely be 320x240 Sep 19 17:51:31 alternatively, make it clear that you can't assert compliance with any different version of the driver Sep 19 17:51:39 than certain binary blobs Sep 19 17:52:02 that should be enough for Nokia lawyers Sep 19 17:52:10 Anybody happen to have the overo link I dropped in here a day or two ago handy? Sep 19 17:52:14 and everyone will still be happy Sep 19 17:52:27 they should really make the -cal thing be a downloadable based on component model like diablo does updates Sep 19 17:52:30 :P Sep 19 17:52:34 instead of behind a friggen mac + eula Sep 19 17:53:25 AStorm: any non-compliant radio is a jammer... Sep 19 17:53:46 t_s_o: wrong Sep 19 17:54:03 trick is, formal compliance check is impossible in any use case Sep 19 17:54:10 Found it. Sep 19 17:54:13 unless you are actually jamming someone/something, you're clear Sep 19 17:54:31 FCC compliance is for devices sent to customers Sep 19 17:54:35 ok, so i oversimplified. but thats still probably the argument used in governmental circles Sep 19 17:54:37 so that they're known to not interfere Sep 19 17:54:50 for that, certifying a bunch of binary blobs is enough Sep 19 17:56:54 qwerty12: ping Sep 19 17:57:00 rm_you: pong Sep 19 17:57:20 need a kernel with rotation but no mmc patch. stat! Sep 19 17:57:32 I wonder how much the overo is gonna end up costing. Sep 19 17:57:53 Lighter-weight OMAP, but adding in Bluetooth and WiFi. Sep 19 17:58:00 rm_you: I'm kinda rushed for time atm :( and compiling a kernel will use time that I don't have :( Sep 19 17:58:02 tthe mmc patch doesn't agree with lcuk's card Sep 19 17:58:12 >_< Sep 19 17:58:58 well i think jott is doing it Sep 19 17:59:08 cool Sep 19 17:59:24 qwerty12: school work or? Sep 19 17:59:43 Stskeeps: yeah + I'm fixing a cgi Sep 19 17:59:47 lcuk is sad, lol Sep 19 17:59:57 did it eat his card? Sep 19 18:00:21 don't think so... just no longer appearing Sep 19 18:14:08 ah good. works with jott's kernel Sep 19 18:15:55 hi there, can anyone give me the right cx3110x's driver for wpa_supplicant, I've *50-2 2.6.21-omap1 kernel Sep 19 18:16:20 fabry what about the newly opened wifi drivers? Sep 19 18:16:31 fabry, one sec, let me dig it up Sep 19 18:16:45 brontide, they're not for 2.6.21, AFAIK Sep 19 18:17:11 brontide, oh dunno about open drivers Sep 19 18:17:13 I would love to see iwlist implemented for skyhook Sep 19 18:17:23 brontide, let me know :) Sep 19 18:17:29 http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/2.6.21-omap1/cx3110x.ko is what i use in deblet Sep 19 18:17:34 (2.6.21-omap1) Sep 19 18:17:39 they announced it yesterday and it landed in garage today Sep 19 18:17:57 give ot take two beers Sep 19 18:19:42 still waiting on dsme >_> Sep 19 18:19:43 Stskeeps, ok thank you, I try it right now Sep 19 18:20:11 i still don't think dsme is that truely interesting Sep 19 18:20:19 rm_you: +1 /me wants to write to cal Sep 19 18:20:20 dsme hasn't dropped into garage yet? Sep 19 18:20:25 nop Sep 19 18:20:46 I'm sure it's just because of crazynedd here Sep 19 18:20:47 brontide: it's always been in garage, just private... Sep 19 18:21:24 like some of the other odd-sounding ones Sep 19 18:22:13 brontide: do you mean ability to use skyhook api? Sep 19 18:22:18 rm_you, it's bme I want Sep 19 18:22:24 rm_you, what do you plan to do with dsme? Sep 19 18:22:49 and bme is a snowball's chance in hell of getting prolly :P Sep 19 18:22:55 yeah Sep 19 18:23:03 nokia legal will never release it Sep 19 18:23:05 i'm fine with it just being hald-addon-bme really Sep 19 18:23:18 or plugins for ohm Sep 19 18:23:40 why? it can't hurt to ask Sep 19 18:24:08 since it's pretty likely that they are dropping future support officially Sep 19 18:24:23 fremantle will be only for the newer drvices Sep 19 18:24:35 bollocks :( Sep 19 18:24:39 no he? Sep 19 18:25:13 nick flavioribeiro Sep 19 18:25:16 short of magic and fairy dust I don't see how fermantle will run on the current hardware any better than os2008HE on a 770 Sep 19 18:25:57 brontide, it does depend on how they do certain things Sep 19 18:26:11 brontide: true but the nosy side of me wants to still see it Sep 19 18:26:30 for example, will they use a compositor or are they talking about each app drawing directly with openGL Sep 19 18:26:38 clutter alone requires more and faster hardware than the n810 can provider Sep 19 18:27:11 if they would just publish powervr drivers it'd prolly help a shitload. Sep 19 18:27:34 compositor, so it would be possible to emulate at 10fpm Sep 19 18:27:37 Stskeeps, It wouldn't help enough and it'd cost them lots of money Sep 19 18:27:45 brontide, so we can do without, right? Sep 19 18:27:58 fpm Sep 19 18:28:09 hmm? Sep 19 18:28:26 frames per minute ( I'm probably off, but it will be slow ) Sep 19 18:29:17 maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if they're using a compositing window manager we can just use a regular one on the n8x0 hardware and skip those features Sep 19 18:29:32 or is this something different? Sep 19 18:29:46 problem with the powevr drivers is that there's not X integration Sep 19 18:29:47 dystopia: skyhook is the pseudoGPS, but you need to be able to access current AP information for ALL the AP's around you. the cx3110x only gives you a full iwlist when you are not already associated with a base Sep 19 18:30:19 skyhook is the api that iPod Touch uses for location Sep 19 18:30:44 skyhook + gsm is very accurate in any populated location Sep 19 18:30:59 and even works indoors instantly Sep 19 18:31:41 brontide: in deblet NM i see all other AP's atleast, even if i'm associated Sep 19 18:32:03 Hmm... people have said that's impossible Sep 19 18:32:09 Stskeeps, those may be cached results Sep 19 18:32:17 that may be true Sep 19 18:32:49 It would be nice to have Sep 19 18:32:58 and that kinda sucks if i'm going to make positioning with tablets probably together with my thesis.. Sep 19 18:33:00 hi Sep 19 18:33:02 also, now that I blamed power saving for association problems it associates fine every time Sep 19 18:33:03 grrr Sep 19 18:33:23 typical Sep 19 18:34:13 johnx_: with or without power saving? Sep 19 18:34:27 Stskeeps, I never touched the power saving stuff again Sep 19 18:34:36 and even when I did it was likely set back immediately Sep 19 18:34:44 k Sep 19 18:34:44 Is there going to be a WiMax edition of the Nokia N900? Sep 19 18:35:19 robink: dunno... based on the fact they have announced HSPA I would say probably not Sep 19 18:35:39 also based on more wimax delays Sep 19 18:35:44 brontide: Bummer... Sep 19 18:36:00 I was really cheering for wimax...but I really don't know at this point Sep 19 18:36:26 I guess the wimax edition is ready-to-go... the ball is in sprints hands since they are the only partner at this point Sep 19 18:36:57 brontide: There's also Clearwire. Sep 19 18:37:22 brontide: ...which will merge with sprint Sep 19 18:37:44 yeah, they're working together Sep 19 18:37:50 so there's only one game in town Sep 19 18:37:55 so to speak Sep 19 18:38:01 Hrm. Sep 19 18:38:23 Stskeeps, with that driver: ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA] : No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported Sep 19 18:38:49 I'm following this thread -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12738&page=2 Sep 19 18:38:52 ATM they're still using different technologies, so I'm still not convinced you can use an N810W on clearwire's network. Sep 19 18:38:56 brontide: HSDPA device is still way off though Sep 19 18:39:45 As to N810W, my guess is they are waiting for the WiMax network to go into operation in US Sep 19 18:41:05 robink, I think the situation is "not right now." Sep 19 18:41:18 brontide: yes, ipod touch & iphone use it, its pretty good Sep 19 18:41:22 fabry: did you rmmod old one and insmod the new one? Sep 19 18:41:44 johnx_: That sucks. Sep 19 18:41:49 Stskeeps, yep, rmmod, and insmod /path/driver Sep 19 18:41:56 mmkay Sep 19 18:42:07 robink, but eventually I think clearwire will end up with just one network that works with mobile-wimax as well Sep 19 18:42:09 works with wpa2 on deblet atleast :P Sep 19 18:42:47 robink, they probably have to replace hardware with something that's compatible with their old pre-wimax/fixed-wimax customer hardware *and* the newer mobile-wimax hardware Sep 19 18:42:56 fabry: after insmod, run chroot /mnt/initfs/ wlan-cal Sep 19 18:42:59 so they'll likely role it out in a place by place basis Sep 19 18:43:15 qwerty12_N800, ok I try Sep 19 18:44:07 johnx_: They do support the Expedience Mobile WiMax currently, not sure if it's compatible with 802.16e. Sep 19 18:44:12 ok I'm not sure if there are anymore mobile sites on the web I don't have listed now lol Sep 19 18:45:33 qwerty12_N800, nothing, "operation not supported" Sep 19 18:46:10 robink, now that's interesting...I was trying to find out this info before, but couldn't seem to dig it up Sep 19 18:46:47 robink, so I wonder what they're doing turning on the new xohm wimax city-by-city... Sep 19 18:49:09 lol sitting down cause i am too drubk to stand and type lol Sep 19 18:49:35 johnx: cbase is fscking amazing Sep 19 18:49:46 brontide, I'm in deblet right now. iwlist wlan0 scan sees two APs while I'm connected to my own Sep 19 18:49:55 brontide, any more info I can give you? Sep 19 18:50:01 especially with nokia paying for all the beer :P Sep 19 18:50:05 huh Sep 19 18:50:11 rm_you, I'm already pretty jealous :/ Sep 19 18:50:15 are there some howto for installing wpa_supplicant on diablo or chinook? :) Sep 19 18:51:24 fabry, there are some binaries up. no packages, AFAIK Sep 19 18:51:56 fabry, I have no idea if this still works: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12738 Sep 19 18:52:39 this not works for me :( Sep 19 18:53:05 is the situation different on diablo? Sep 19 18:53:24 I've installe chinook on external SD and diablo on internal memory Sep 19 18:53:35 I don't use wpa_supplicant in diablo Sep 19 18:53:38 only debian Sep 19 18:53:56 if Nokia's ICD has changed it might be difficult to make it work Sep 19 18:54:05 maybe a dummy connection could be used Sep 19 18:54:08 if deblet works fine I'll install it ASAP Sep 19 18:54:35 it's worth a try Sep 19 18:55:09 might warn there's coming a major release out in a week or so, where you need to reinstall :P Sep 19 18:55:29 Stskeeps: you're fucking kidding me? Sep 19 18:55:37 I won't get too attached to my install then Sep 19 18:55:45 qwerty12_N800, but you like reinstalling things, right? :D Sep 19 18:55:45 qwerty12_N800: .. it has apt-get resume Sep 19 18:55:45 :P Sep 19 18:55:58 Stskeeps, O_o Sep 19 18:56:04 hacking apt-get? Sep 19 18:56:08 johnx_: it retries apt-get -d install Sep 19 18:56:12 first -d, then install Sep 19 18:56:17 it won't die horridly then Sep 19 18:56:17 aaah Sep 19 18:56:22 johnx_: installing nit-env-gnome was too much! Sep 19 18:56:23 good deal Sep 19 18:56:24 i can't do it with debootstrap (yet) Sep 19 18:56:29 Stskeeps: brilliant :) Sep 19 18:56:45 qwerty12_N800: and i hope there's a upgrade path but im not sure its more work than its worth Sep 19 18:56:49 qwerty12_N800, "doctor, it hurts when I do this!" "Then don't do *that*!" Sep 19 18:56:50 since there's a lot of things changed Sep 19 18:57:04 'lo jiiv Sep 19 18:57:15 hi there :) Sep 19 18:57:27 Stskeeps: any idea if deblet works with wpa2? Sep 19 18:57:47 any plans for a party tonight? Sep 19 18:57:53 qwerty12_N800: i use wpa2 at home Sep 19 18:57:55 so yes, it does Sep 19 18:57:55 stskeeps: looks like you've been busy; i'm about to have to pull the trac updates from my google reader :) Sep 19 18:58:01 qwerty12_N800, seems happy here Sep 19 18:58:12 jiiv: hehe, sorry Sep 19 18:58:32 no, i'm quite happy :) i'm probably going to reinstall this weekend to play with the new changes. Sep 19 18:58:32 Stskeeps, johnx_ : thanks, my new router supports it and my old one with an upgrade... Sep 19 18:58:55 jiiv: yeah - wait for the beta really, i'm not quite done yet :P Sep 19 19:10:10 Has anyone here tried using the 1.1.7 version of ThemeMaker? Sep 19 19:12:18 jiiv I use 1.1.7 for all my themes now Sep 19 19:17:54 can anyone explain to me why debian packaging makes /etc/init.d "conffiles"? Sep 19 19:18:27 Stskeeps: anything in /etc is a conffile by default Sep 19 19:18:54 so it needs to bother users with overriding init.d scripts provided by the package.. Sep 19 19:19:21 I think that only happens when the user actually modified the init.d script, no? Sep 19 19:19:38 init.d scrips should read anythig overridable from /etc/default Sep 19 19:20:00 suihkulokki, tell that to nokia... Sep 19 19:20:12 mgedmin: ran into that and i didn't modify it - i think Sep 19 19:20:29 * Stskeeps has to divert network/interfaces it seems like Sep 19 19:20:43 (i'm sure i'll get lynched for some of these hacks..) Sep 19 19:21:02 * mgedmin pulls out a burning torch Sep 19 19:43:02 What kind of speeds can you get with HSPA? Sep 19 19:43:15 WiMax still sounds faster. Sep 19 19:44:05 Faster than WiMAX on the top end Sep 19 19:44:18 AT&T has phones in the 7.6Mbps range right now Sep 19 19:44:36 ~15Mbps are coming soon. Sep 19 19:44:37 GeneralAntilles: okay Sep 19 19:44:43 lol Sep 19 19:44:49 infobot, go die in a fire. Sep 19 19:45:11 * qwerty12_N800 gets the petrol ready Sep 19 19:45:44 Faster than a lot of people's cable. Sep 19 19:45:46 ~15Mbps Sep 19 19:45:47 15mbps are coming soon. Sep 19 19:45:50 Though the latency is higher. Sep 19 19:45:51 :D Sep 19 19:45:58 ~150-300ms in most cases. Sep 19 19:45:59 ~botsnack Sep 19 19:45:59 johnx_: :) Sep 19 19:46:01 GeneralAntilles: Ah. Sep 19 19:46:11 I usually get around 150-200ms Sep 19 19:46:37 Looks like infobot has 4 eyes. Sep 19 19:46:50 Blargh I wish Nokia had stuck with WiMax for their cell models. Sep 19 19:46:51 I wonder why colons are popular on IRC Sep 19 19:47:00 commas are so much more elegant. Sep 19 19:47:14 robink, WiMAX isn't really deployed yet. Sep 19 19:47:23 GeneralAntilles: It is in my area. Sep 19 19:47:33 OK, 2 or 3 cities in the US. :P Sep 19 19:47:42 3g/EDGE is most everywhere. Sep 19 19:47:50 GeneralAntilles: I count 4, but yeah. Sep 19 19:48:31 WiMAX makes more sense in a niche device for the time being. Sep 19 19:48:54 GeneralAntilles: Clearwire has Seattle and greater Kitsap county (most of the rest of the Puget Sound region) covered where I live. Sep 19 19:49:23 yeah, they cover a fair number of major cities Sep 19 19:49:24 Stskeeps, are problem installing deblet on tablet with maemo on SD and diablo on internal memory? Sep 19 19:50:41 fabry: you need to install to a SD, we don't install to internal memory Sep 19 19:50:54 but be aware you might have to write your own boot menu items for the cloned SD stuff Sep 19 19:51:13 internal memory = flash Sep 19 19:51:29 johnx_: I thought Clearwire was only in the Northwest...Isn't it Sprint who are rolling out in most major cities in the US? Sep 19 19:51:47 http://www.clearwire.com/store/service_areas.php Sep 19 19:52:01 johnx_: Oh yeah. Sep 19 19:52:54 anyways, xohm (the newer wimax network) is a joint project, AFAICT Sep 19 19:54:10 johnx_: Will it require redeployment in areas Clearwire currently supports? Sep 19 19:54:26 I honestly don't know Sep 19 19:54:43 but the coverage seems to be starting city-by-city Sep 19 19:55:24 johnx_: Hmm... Sep 19 19:55:50 ls Sep 19 19:55:58 heh wrong window :p Sep 19 20:01:13 is it bad to upload to extras-devel after three Berliner's Sep 19 20:01:43 No way! Sep 19 20:02:10 Khertan showed me a trick Sep 19 20:02:31 so I integrated it into DialCentral and uploaded the new copy Sep 19 20:07:00 brontide: you should make a competition on who can submit extras-devel stuff standing on their head, drinking a beer, and submitting Sep 19 20:07:03 :P Sep 19 20:07:22 HSDPA+HSUPA has similar latency as wimax, apparently Sep 19 20:07:28 upload-beer pong Sep 19 20:08:21 * brontide is way too with it for this many beers Sep 19 20:10:23 re Sep 19 20:19:30 * Stskeeps groans at debhelper Sep 19 20:20:09 does anyone know whether there are any maemo video apps that can handle h264 videos encoded for a PSP? Sep 19 20:21:49 vanRijn: I don't believe the 2420 can handle H.264 that well. Sep 19 20:22:09 robink: what's the 2420? I have a Nokia N810... Sep 19 20:22:14 vanRijn: Maybe if somebody wrote a codec for the c55x, but even then. Sep 19 20:22:20 Could if the IVA were used. Sep 19 20:22:32 vanRijn: The OMAP 2420 is the CPU in the N810. Sep 19 20:22:34 640x480 h.264 at reasonable bitrate no problem. Sep 19 20:22:38 robink: ahh, okay, thank you Sep 19 20:22:40 GeneralAntilles: Really? Sep 19 20:22:49 GeneralAntilles: how can I do that then? Sep 19 20:23:00 and what is IVA? Sep 19 20:23:06 You don't. Sep 19 20:23:09 GeneralAntilles: That's an ARM7 with no floating point (no SIMD, either). Sep 19 20:23:10 That's up to TI and Nokia. Sep 19 20:23:14 oh Sep 19 20:23:16 blef Sep 19 20:23:34 GeneralAntilles: there's a spinning 3D maemo.org logo here without the .org.... Sep 19 20:23:47 so I'm looking at re-encoding all my ripped videos to something the N810 likes better? Sep 19 20:24:01 heh, GA would have created quite a scene if he was at summit, eh :P Sep 19 20:24:05 tablet-encode Sep 19 20:24:34 anybody done this already? any pointers on a good mencoder command? What's the best size to encode at if I want to do full-screen movie watching? Sep 19 20:24:49 I suppose if you used them both side-by-side... Sep 19 20:24:54 Stskeeps, I might've booed that poor Desktop presentation guy off the stage. . . . Sep 19 20:25:05 ~mediautils Sep 19 20:25:17 ~mediautils is http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 19 20:25:17 GeneralAntilles: okay Sep 19 20:25:41 GeneralAntilles: or ari when mentioning 3G? ;> Sep 19 20:25:52 GeneralAntilles: thank you. =:) Sep 19 20:25:58 vanRijn: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html Sep 19 20:26:05 Jaffa, on an N810? :P Sep 19 20:26:18 Lightning session in the summit tomorrow Sep 19 20:26:22 Jaffa: awesome, thanks Sep 19 20:26:33 Jaffa, I linked Ari to the branding page on his blog. ;) Sep 19 20:26:45 "Maemo.org Maemo.org Maemo.org" Sep 19 20:26:52 GeneralAntilles: I saw ;-) Sep 19 20:27:08 Jaffa, any word on the upgrade repo stuff? Sep 19 20:27:20 and has anybody poked Nokia legal about the maemo.org issues? Sep 19 20:27:21 summit was nice Sep 19 20:28:40 GeneralAntilles hm on the architecture session the issue was raised Sep 19 20:28:59 GeneralAntilles: not clear yet; we're gonna have a discussion in our pres tomorrow Sep 19 20:29:03 so the repos should became clearer and easier Sep 19 20:29:39 lightning session? sounds hair-raising Sep 19 20:30:14 MangoFusion you have 5 minutes to talk about yout stuff project wahtever Sep 19 20:31:18 what now Sep 19 20:31:19 err Sep 19 20:31:20 err Sep 19 20:31:27 #import Sep 19 20:31:32 waffle_a_lot(); Sep 19 20:31:40 there ;) Sep 19 20:31:57 Mmm . . . waffles. Sep 19 20:35:44 hi... are slides online anywhere? found only 2 presentations so far. Sep 19 20:36:20 Thoughtfix has some pictures on his flickr account Sep 19 20:36:26 Not yet, no. Sep 19 20:36:33 Nextt weee;k Sep 19 20:36:36 The dev session slides are up on Quim's blog. Sep 19 20:36:49 Ari's keynote slides are on his blog. Sep 19 20:36:50 seen them... and they made me want to see nore ;) Sep 19 20:36:54 Haven't seen any others. Sep 19 20:37:24 Most of the presentations today have been Nokian Sep 19 20:37:30 cool to have slides this way at least ;) Sep 19 20:37:51 LordAntilles' councils slides will be online next week, certainly Sep 19 20:38:05 Jaffa, and nokians dont publish slides? Sep 19 20:38:15 http://flickr.com/groups/maemo/ Sep 19 20:38:51 Play "label the people" with the flickr shots. Sep 19 20:38:52 Benny1967: it's a miracle when they publish *sourcez* Sep 19 20:39:06 LOL Sep 19 20:39:48 I really want one of those lanyards. Sep 19 20:39:50 i liked the pix on flickr. must be very, very cool to be there Sep 19 20:40:54 lanyards? i'd rather have peter schneider. *evilgrin* Sep 19 20:42:08 brontide is hilariously prominent in a lot of those flickr shots. Sep 19 20:42:36 uh oh Sep 19 20:42:43 Benny1967 yes c-base is nice Sep 19 20:43:08 ;) Sep 19 20:44:29 and from the pictures it seems people r really enjoying themselves Sep 19 20:44:53 Unfortunatly the lighting toghight leaves quite a bit to be desired Sep 19 20:45:20 GeneralAntilles: which shots? Sep 19 20:45:57 brontide, the ones on flickr. :P Sep 19 20:46:04 handful's got some Sep 19 20:46:11 The Maemo group has some more. Sep 19 20:47:58 and the fucking new age transient industrial electro synth pop Sep 19 20:48:05 Hahaha Sep 19 20:48:36 * brontide is very confused Sep 19 20:49:22 http://flickr.com/photos/handful/2866905529/ Sep 19 20:49:26 Like that. Sep 19 20:52:26 Yes, well that was the developer session that was more like "I can't answer that", "we're not talking about hardware here", ...... Sep 19 20:52:50 Hehe Sep 19 20:53:26 any other flatering shots you've dug up? Sep 19 20:53:35 how much alcohol did you guys take to berlin to make the nokians talk? Sep 19 20:54:30 I'll not have you come home with those "i cant answer that"-stuff ;) Sep 19 20:55:38 http://flickr.com/photos/tigert/2869156965/sizes/l/in/pool-373437@N21/ Sep 19 20:55:57 brontide: poke your tablet Sep 19 20:56:16 Jaffa from Hell http://flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2869294909/sizes/l/ Sep 19 20:57:24 Muwahahaha Sep 19 20:58:02 Jaffa, you need to get yourself to the gym again Sep 19 20:58:04 Kneel before Zod^WJaffa Sep 19 20:58:06 build those shoulders a bit Sep 19 20:58:35 crashanddie: meh Sep 19 20:58:40 Ha Sep 19 20:59:29 for the next council election Sep 19 20:59:32 I want pics Sep 19 20:59:43 crashanddie's only voting for the buff people. Sep 19 20:59:54 He's in trouble then Sep 19 20:59:59 Hehe Sep 19 21:01:22 You'd be amazed :P Sep 19 21:01:42 Nah, I've seen the rest of the people Sep 19 21:01:52 oh, and just for the record Sep 19 21:01:59 Jaffa, how was the first day of the summit? Sep 19 21:02:04 I will *never* be a candidate for the council Sep 19 21:02:15 Steve__: good Sep 19 21:02:21 Actually, it doesn't matter. Sep 19 21:02:26 There will be no more elections. ;) Sep 19 21:02:30 crashanddie: not buff enough? Sep 19 21:02:41 Jaffa: is everyone who was at OSiM still there? Sep 19 21:02:54 Steve__: AFAICT Sep 19 21:03:04 cool Sep 19 21:03:14 Jaffa: you should head down to the McFit Sep 19 21:03:30 hah, we passed that on the train Sep 19 21:03:32 is it a gym? Sep 19 21:03:35 Yep Sep 19 21:03:41 Jaffa, I work out and run on a daily basis Sep 19 21:03:51 steve 24 hours open or so Sep 19 21:04:01 good grief Sep 19 21:04:04 By that he means, "run to the fridge". :P Sep 19 21:04:09 nice one, jamie and I almost missed the flight home today Sep 19 21:04:15 went to see checkpoint charlie, and got lost Sep 19 21:04:39 * Jaffa would rather have Blink182 or Bryan Adams, Buckfizz or S-Club 7 than this noise, btw Sep 19 21:04:39 Jaffa, I played rugby, paintball on a competition level, and also did competition boxing Sep 19 21:05:09 Wow Sep 19 21:05:11 That is bad. Sep 19 21:06:06 GeneralAntilles: got a Gtalk account? I'll vid conf it over to you so you can say hello ;-) Sep 19 21:07:11 how do i get nice Sep 19 21:07:29 or install core utilities Sep 19 21:08:09 meh installing coreutils is more trouble than it's worth ;). dpkg -x it out from a coreutils deb Sep 19 21:08:32 did anyone see the User Interface keynote? Sep 19 21:08:38 * mgedmin prefers "this noise" to the ms windows startup sound Sep 19 21:09:01 thanks qw ill see how to do that Sep 19 21:09:09 mgedmin: after about 3 hours of nthe same tho.... Sep 19 21:09:29 GeneralAntilles, how is that bad? Sep 19 21:09:42 but imagine 3 hours of looped ms windows startup sound Sep 19 21:09:45 * mgedmin shudders Sep 19 21:09:59 Jaffa: don't most people continually hear the sound of windows startup anyway? :p Sep 19 21:10:04 :) Sep 19 21:10:27 * Jaffa wonders about recording this and putting it somewhere for the channel to here. Sep 19 21:10:49 Anyone interested, tablet call aflegg@gmail.com... Sep 19 21:11:18 "Your email address has won £182,000 Great British pounds (GBP) in the Sep 19 21:11:19 ongoing NOKIA MOBILE PROMO." Sep 19 21:11:20 woo! Sep 19 21:11:21 :P Sep 19 21:11:27 If on fremantle, we could have a conf call.... Sep 19 21:11:28 (targeted spam, i like it.) Sep 19 21:12:01 Jaffa, why wait for fremantle? Sep 19 21:12:29 Stskeeps: my email address has a ferrari. i have to threaten it with knuckledusters before it hands over keys Sep 19 21:13:19 nice alpha blending jaffa Sep 19 21:13:25 floating head? Sep 19 21:13:42 indeed Sep 19 21:14:53 qwerty12-N800: we're missing you, free beer Sep 19 21:15:18 underage girlls Sep 19 21:15:22 and 15 yo gils Sep 19 21:15:25 bullshit Sep 19 21:15:27 girls even Sep 19 21:15:27 lardman: hehe Sep 19 21:15:38 we weren't interested Sep 19 21:15:56 but thought of qwert of course Sep 19 21:16:11 of course Sep 19 21:16:29 hmm, typing not so good on little kb, nothing to do with beer Sep 19 21:16:30 i was disturbed by the number of hookers on the one street Sep 19 21:17:01 Steve__: name of street please? Sep 19 21:17:05 heh Sep 19 21:17:14 :p Sep 19 21:17:17 long/lat Sep 19 21:17:47 qwerty12-N800, how about we make sure we go to the next NIT con together? Sep 19 21:17:57 Steve__ oranienburger? Sep 19 21:18:15 qwerty12-N800, maybe your mummy will let you leave if I get her to trust me (will take about 10 minutes) Sep 19 21:18:19 where 24 am pm is Sep 19 21:18:23 hackesher markt or something Sep 19 21:18:24 where are you lcuk? Sep 19 21:18:26 hey lcuk ! Sep 19 21:18:34 lardman, he's at c-base, lol Sep 19 21:18:47 lcuk@echelon.ext.c-base.org Sep 19 21:18:50 Steve__ yes its oranienburger strasse Sep 19 21:18:52 rm_you MIA Sep 19 21:18:59 is it not illegal? Sep 19 21:19:12 crashanddie: i'm sat in there Sep 19 21:19:13 orange burger road? Sep 19 21:19:14 Steve its tolerated Sep 19 21:19:17 crashanddie: lol :p. anyway, i'm 16 in a month so... Sep 19 21:19:21 i started lcuk client Sep 19 21:19:24 fair enough Sep 19 21:19:27 they all carry bum bags Sep 19 21:19:29 i found that amusing Sep 19 21:19:34 should be back any minute Sep 19 21:19:36 crashanddie no oranienburg is a small city north of berlin Sep 19 21:19:40 lardman, well my answer was valid nonetheless Sep 19 21:20:08 are the bum bags used to store crack? Sep 19 21:20:26 i would say "bum bags" are already a crack Sep 19 21:20:28 Steve meebey Sep 19 21:20:57 hmmm Sep 19 21:21:06 hey lcuk Sep 19 21:22:08 oi lcuk, which side of the bar are you on? Sep 19 21:22:44 in cabase jott installeed it for me Sep 19 21:22:56 near backddoor Sep 19 21:23:12 are you drunk? Sep 19 21:23:14 hi Sep 19 21:23:15 hey lardman lookup Sep 19 21:23:18 very Sep 19 21:23:20 sort of Sep 19 21:23:24 hi crash Sep 19 21:23:30 pm me Sep 19 21:23:31 hey pal Sep 19 21:23:33 k Sep 19 21:23:46 free beer does not imply getting drunk...harhar Sep 19 21:24:04 you obviously aren't drinking enough Sep 19 21:24:13 F1. Sep 19 21:24:30 Canola sucks. What was the other, nonsucking media player capable of playing from upnp av? Sep 19 21:24:31 we can still type on a n810 keyboard :) Sep 19 21:24:54 jott: then you definitely haven't been drinking enough Sep 19 21:25:01 jott *g* Sep 19 21:25:44 Steve__: well i guess beer does not make one drunk Sep 19 21:25:59 it's more of a softdrink Sep 19 21:26:08 what kind of beer are you drinking? Sep 19 21:26:22 hefeweizen Sep 19 21:27:11 that's no beer Sep 19 21:27:11 schneiders weisse 5.4% vol :) Sep 19 21:27:34 blood hound gang whould say it's "kuhpisse" Sep 19 21:27:35 delicious softdrink ;) Sep 19 21:27:54 i had a white russian last night Sep 19 21:27:59 * jott is not a pils-man Sep 19 21:28:03 there were lumps in the milk Sep 19 21:28:30 white russian rocks Sep 19 21:28:42 Kahlua Sep 19 21:28:48 not with lumpy milk! Sep 19 21:30:51 rm_you is still on the toilet.... . . Sep 19 21:31:24 queue? :> Sep 19 21:31:24 lcuk, what's your gmail? come on link-local Sep 19 21:32:36 hi, jott :) Sep 19 21:32:38 hmmm just a mo im tethered and talkin to my good m8 Sep 19 21:32:56 hello you there on the other side of the table Sep 19 21:34:25 was the summit recorded? Sep 19 21:34:44 Steve__ yes Sep 19 21:34:51 Steve__: so part of it Sep 19 21:34:53 some Sep 19 21:35:14 PyPy Python for Maemo (by Holger Krekel and/or Maciej Fijalkowski). Sep 19 21:35:17 that's the bit i'm after Sep 19 21:35:24 oh, i'd have loved to see that one Sep 19 21:35:41 (i actually made pypy run once on maemo.. long ago) Sep 19 21:35:47 it was just 4 minutes Sep 19 21:36:10 still :P Sep 19 21:36:10 hehe Sep 19 21:36:16 lightning talk? Sep 19 21:36:17 better talk to the actual people Sep 19 21:36:22 yeah woglinde Sep 19 21:37:11 it was more of a promotion talk than a content talk Sep 19 21:37:21 i wanted to go, but couldn't change flights Sep 19 21:37:32 I thought this lightning talks for Sep 19 21:38:11 woglinde: yeah just to make it clear Sep 19 21:39:09 brb Sep 19 21:39:22 Stskeeps: how did you get it to run? i'm having real trouble getting impacket and pcapy packaged up Sep 19 21:42:17 Steve__: pypy? through scratchbox mostly and some hacks Sep 19 21:42:27 long long time ago Sep 19 21:42:30 hm first android cellphone next tuesday Sep 19 21:42:41 hmm Sep 19 21:44:09 only 200 bucks Sep 19 21:44:31 htc announced it for 23th, right? Sep 19 21:44:35 waah my browser just crashed Sep 19 21:44:55 yes next tuesday is 23th Sep 19 21:45:01 and t-kom usa annouced it Sep 19 21:45:12 23 has to be the date ;) Sep 19 21:45:42 * jott can remember 23s Sep 19 21:46:16 bed time, night all Sep 19 21:46:18 hm maybee the htc dream will have eabi Sep 19 21:46:26 nite lardman Sep 19 21:50:04 23th is the day of the server upgrades, too. Sep 19 21:50:30 GeneralAntilles hehe Sep 19 21:50:36 upgrade all yr srvrs to android phones1 Sep 19 21:50:54 lol Sep 19 21:51:57 http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif Sep 19 21:52:10 oh, look Sep 19 21:52:15 grr Sep 19 21:52:16 It's the image flickr puts in front of photos Sep 19 21:52:33 http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869591803/in/set-72157607375406663/ Sep 19 21:52:44 is it just me, or is that a bit of a sausage-fest? Sep 19 21:53:08 It's a Linux conference, what do you expect? Sep 19 21:53:24 very true Sep 19 21:54:47 http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869594903/in/set-72157607375406663/ Sep 19 21:54:49 interesting Sep 19 21:56:21 Stands to be very slick Sep 19 21:56:26 http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869588939/in/set-72157607375406663/ Sep 19 21:56:28 too bad it's 6-8 months away. Sep 19 21:56:28 more interesting Sep 19 21:56:36 I was ready for OMAP3 when the N810 came out. . . . Sep 19 21:56:48 Creeper Sep 19 21:56:58 heh Sep 19 21:58:05 uh, timidity for maemo... Sep 19 21:58:16 why on earth would I want to use it? 8) Sep 19 22:00:58 Any videos/reports about the summit so far? Sep 19 22:01:19 There are plenty of reports. Sep 19 22:01:23 Not many videos, though. Sep 19 22:01:29 Those are, apparently, coming next week. Sep 19 22:02:09 blhttp://flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/2869746283/in/set-72157607344621047/eh Sep 19 22:02:12 hmm Sep 19 22:02:17 that wasn't supposed to happen Sep 19 22:02:20 "bleh" Sep 19 22:02:56 crashanddie: there where some private video cams around. probably takes some time to process Sep 19 22:03:10 jott, no official recordings? Sep 19 22:03:18 no Sep 19 22:03:22 baloo is transcoding his HD stuff on Monday. Sep 19 22:03:31 we'll have to take of that for the next time Sep 19 22:05:21 nite Sep 19 22:06:08 For the next con, I want at least: live audio feed, talkers get mic, viewers that ask questions get mic, everything is recorded, at least one video recording the whole room, possibly another filming the talkers, and real plus would be access to the video out on the laptop Sep 19 22:06:27 Ha Sep 19 22:06:41 C-SPAN coverage of the event? Sep 19 22:06:48 lol Sep 19 22:06:54 not C-SPAN Sep 19 22:06:56 hey you got live irc coverage what do you expect more ;) Sep 19 22:07:10 But well, HOPE manages to do this kind of shit Sep 19 22:07:16 I'd expect Nokia to be able to do the same Sep 19 22:07:25 And I have all the hardware back in France Sep 19 22:07:29 it's just a matter of transporting it Sep 19 22:07:33 connecting people?! Sep 19 22:07:51 Connecting creepers on the internet to Linux conferences. Sep 19 22:08:22 "Next week, on 'Life of Ryan'" Sep 19 22:08:38 i'll have to look for rm_you ... Sep 19 22:08:50 "Well, I was trying to get the beagle board running, and suddenly, it all went dark" Sep 19 22:10:26 jott, conference room. . . . Sep 19 22:10:56 crashanddie, that sounds like it should be a Monty Python production. :P Sep 19 22:11:38 anyone tried using mokopedia on n8x0? Sep 19 22:11:42 GeneralAntilles: the mans conference room, eh? Sep 19 22:11:56 jott, no, leave him in it. ;) Sep 19 22:12:27 GeneralAntilles, that's actually a real show Sep 19 22:12:55 Well shiver me timbers. Sep 19 22:12:56 That it is. Sep 19 22:12:59 http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/television/Life_Of_Ryan/56871/S2E5.html?aid=214095 Sep 19 22:13:01 proof Sep 19 23:04:54 talkers get mic <- uhm, yes, duh? :-) Sep 19 23:05:13 i mean else the rest in the room can't even freakin' hear the Q Sep 19 23:06:06 pardon? Sep 19 23:07:11 on a conference the person who is speaking must have a microphone one way or another Sep 19 23:07:39 indeed Sep 19 23:07:44 else hardly everyone in the room (especially those sitting behind the questioner) cannot head him Sep 19 23:07:57 what's the context? Sep 19 23:08:01 nor can anyone who watches vid (because camera is in back of room) Sep 19 23:08:12 00:06 < crashanddie> For the next con, I want at least: live audio feed, talkers get mic, viewers that ask questions get mic, everything is recorded, at least one video recording the whole room, possibly another filming the talkers, and real plus would be access to the video out on the laptop Sep 19 23:08:44 ah yes Sep 19 23:09:02 im already superglad with the reports thus far dont get me wrong Sep 19 23:09:04 dystopia, what I meant by that, is that the sound is to be recorded Sep 19 23:09:25 dystopia, not just channelled to some speakers so the crowd can hear Sep 19 23:09:30 its just, for the people on the conference, its rather sad they can't follow.. the conference they're attending? :-) Sep 19 23:09:59 yeayea.. perhaps.. maybe we should have gone to there.. its nokia's loss, mostly;-) Sep 19 23:10:20 but those ppl on the conference.. they there.. can't even hear the question.. LOL.. had this on FOSDEM a few times.. Sep 19 23:10:27 have a question about installing microb-browser Sep 19 23:10:34 microphone getting past allong the whole room :-) Sep 19 23:10:38 i get two dependency errors Sep 19 23:10:43 pass it on :-) Sep 19 23:10:45 maemo-browser-dialogs and maemo-browser-widgets Sep 19 23:10:56 where can i get these packages? Sep 19 23:11:03 bucketj, install on what? Sep 19 23:11:21 i'm trying to install the mozilla browser here: Sep 19 23:11:22 dystopia, it's usually better practice to have a stand with mic people walk up to in order to ask a question Sep 19 23:11:22 crashanddie: so, it is a different issue than the fact we got no live material other than text reports Sep 19 23:11:22 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/microb-browser/ Sep 19 23:11:31 and when i try to install it says two packages are missing Sep 19 23:11:41 and it's maemo-browser-widgets and maemo-browser-dialogs Sep 19 23:11:47 but i don't know where to find those Sep 19 23:11:47 crashanddie: yes, possisble, but some folks dont like to stand before a crowd Sep 19 23:12:05 dystopia, I can't be arsed to think of that, frankly Sep 19 23:12:11 dystopia, you ask a question, you stand up Sep 19 23:12:26 stand up, sure, but stand before crowd is different Sep 19 23:12:30 why should they stand up and walk to a mike to ask a question? Sep 19 23:12:36 bucketj, first question, why are you even trying to install the browser? Don't you have the browser installed ? Sep 19 23:12:57 i have the opera one that the 770 came with Sep 19 23:13:03 crashanddie: maybe if you had general anxiety disorder you'd understand :-) Sep 19 23:13:03 now i'm trying to install the mozilla-based one Sep 19 23:13:04 Steve__, because it solves the problem of having to pass the mic through the whole room? Sep 19 23:13:21 bucketj, Nokia 770 right? Sep 19 23:13:27 yeah Sep 19 23:13:31 running os2007HE Sep 19 23:13:31 why not have someone walking around with the mic, handing it to the person who wants to ask the question? Sep 19 23:13:31 * dystopia is drunk :0) Sep 19 23:13:46 throw a wireless mic through the crowd Sep 19 23:14:07 whoever lets it fall on ground stays to clean the building till its clean :-) Sep 19 23:14:10 wireless mic == expensive and impractical in my experience Sep 19 23:14:22 headset + sip :D Sep 19 23:14:35 bucketj, the newer releases of OS2007HE already come with MicroB. . . . Sep 19 23:14:50 i just downloaded a new release yesterday and didn't come with it Sep 19 23:14:50 huh Sep 19 23:15:02 don't take me too serious im bit wasted;lddddd Sep 19 23:15:07 hhii Sep 19 23:15:12 crashanddie: impractical, how? Sep 19 23:15:29 oh. ha. so it is. Sep 19 23:15:35 wireless mics are very practical Sep 19 23:15:36 then why doesn't google reader or google mail load properly Sep 19 23:15:46 and not too expensive Sep 19 23:15:59 bucketj, because they're big heavy js applications? Sep 19 23:16:01 less expensive than gearing chairs with mics Sep 19 23:16:14 well i thought that was the point of microb Sep 19 23:16:17 I say we gear AStorm with a mic and walk him around. Sep 19 23:16:20 Steve__, battery fails, poor signal, can be stolen Sep 19 23:16:21 bucketj: you want more RAM for those, n770 is failing at it Sep 19 23:16:24 bucketj, the 770 is old. Sep 19 23:16:29 Enable swap. Sep 19 23:16:31 true Sep 19 23:16:32 uhm, yes, s/n770/770/ Sep 19 23:16:37 yes, you need more swap Sep 19 23:16:39 how do i enable swap Sep 19 23:16:42 google Sep 19 23:16:43 and it will work *slow* Sep 19 23:16:57 It's in Control panel. Sep 19 23:17:19 GeneralAntilles: paying me is more expensive Sep 19 23:17:26 I don't see the problem with having a centralised stand where people go ask a question Sep 19 23:17:33 Pfft. Pay? Sep 19 23:17:37 but anyway, you still need someone to give that mic Sep 19 23:17:49 crashanddie, increasing the barrier to entry for asking questions is a bad plan. Sep 19 23:17:49 throwing mics destroys them quickly Sep 19 23:17:49 it's impractical Sep 19 23:17:53 and can cause accidents Sep 19 23:18:05 what the? Sep 19 23:18:22 a good idea is to have a few stationary wired mics Sep 19 23:18:30 so that interested people can come to them Sep 19 23:18:39 AStorm, exactly what I said Sep 19 23:18:42 usually works well-enough Sep 19 23:18:42 thank you Sep 19 23:18:56 worse than wireless mics of course :> Sep 19 23:20:03 crashanddie: be sure to have the mixer or preamp somewhere close Sep 19 23:20:13 to enable/disable them at will Sep 19 23:20:19 or some sound guy Sep 19 23:20:31 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jMKRnea_3rE Sep 19 23:20:36 no problem Sep 19 23:21:20 people tend to mess up when faced with switches on mics Sep 19 23:23:22 AStorm, I'm an experienced sound engineer, like I said, I have the equipment, I'd love to take of it the next time Sep 19 23:24:08 crashanddie: excellent Sep 19 23:24:11 crashanddie: did you go to the maemo summit? Sep 19 23:24:20 are you at* Sep 19 23:24:20 I didn't Sep 19 23:24:27 sadly Sep 19 23:24:42 take care of it** Sep 19 23:25:37 AStorm, the biggest problem of course, would be getting the equipment to the next conference Sep 19 23:26:09 Bet you can talk Nokia into it. Sep 19 23:26:15 AStorm, if the conference is over a 1000 km from southern france, it'll probably be cheaper to rent stuff Sep 19 23:26:34 the html version of gmail works pretty well Sep 19 23:26:35 pity I won't be able to go there :/ Sep 19 23:26:52 going 1000 km far in the middle of day studies is hard Sep 19 23:27:13 unless I'll get international exchange there... but I don't know French ;P Sep 19 23:27:47 I don't know how much it weighs, but I'd say something around 150-200kg, so carrying it with me on a plane is impossible Sep 19 23:28:05 treat it as baggage Sep 19 23:28:22 but then, it may arrive later than you or such stuff Sep 19 23:28:23 lol Sep 19 23:28:31 200kg == 400lb Sep 19 23:28:37 I know Sep 19 23:28:40 travel light? Sep 19 23:29:00 it will cost a fortune anyway ;P Sep 19 23:29:05 that's my whole point Sep 19 23:29:10 crashanddie, you should be able to lug that around no problem, Mr. Buff. :P Sep 19 23:29:16 GeneralAntilles, haha Sep 19 23:29:32 eh, 200 kg on wheels is easy enough Sep 19 23:29:43 the problem isn't so much the weight Sep 19 23:29:44 but needs a few persons to move Sep 19 23:29:54 at least 2 Sep 19 23:29:55 it's the sheer size Sep 19 23:29:56 can the 770 take two mem cards? Sep 19 23:30:04 is there a slot for one internally? Sep 19 23:30:10 bucketj: yes Sep 19 23:30:16 under the battery or what? Sep 19 23:30:19 yes Sep 19 23:30:38 lol? Sep 19 23:30:46 AStorm, the 770 just has one RS-MMC slot. :P Sep 19 23:30:53 that's what i figured Sep 19 23:30:55 hmm, ok, I failed Sep 19 23:30:58 n800 has two Sep 19 23:30:59 Hehe Sep 19 23:31:03 50 lashings! Sep 19 23:31:04 ;P Sep 19 23:31:07 i guess the 2007 HE is just assuming i'm on an 800 or something Sep 19 23:31:23 it is hacked version of n800 software, yes Sep 19 23:31:50 renting out a decent equipment for a few days will probably cost you around 1200-2000euro, maybe a bit more depending on the size of the place you have to rig Sep 19 23:32:08 but if I can't drive to it, renting will definitely be cheaper that moving it around Sep 19 23:32:21 http://cnettv.cnet.com/9742-1_53-50003669.html Sep 19 23:32:22 in other words, do the next con in Paris Sep 19 23:32:28 this would be impressive on the tablets Sep 19 23:32:50 Steve__, I have a version that works pretty well Sep 19 23:32:57 crashanddie, make Nokia pay. Sep 19 23:33:24 Steve__, I just need to work on the algorithm a bit more, I wanted a very ugly version working fast Sep 19 23:33:53 what you writing in? Sep 19 23:33:56 lcuk is also working on it, within liqbase Sep 19 23:34:15 Steve__, mine is just basic C++ with SDL graphics Sep 19 23:34:21 next.con.in.paris++ Sep 19 23:34:27 cool Sep 19 23:34:36 when you enable swap on the 770 Sep 19 23:34:45 does it extend the memory to the mmc card? Sep 19 23:34:51 bucketj, yup Sep 19 23:34:58 you could call it that Sep 19 23:35:29 i've never really got into C++ Sep 19 23:37:06 crashanddie: it's RIPOFF Sep 19 23:37:09 How do you reflash the kernel portion of the initfs? I want to see if I can get ipv6.ko to autoload again. Sep 19 23:37:10 that's what dasher does Sep 19 23:37:34 robink, kernel isn't part of initfs. Sep 19 23:37:39 oops Sep 19 23:37:40 AStorm, yeah, it's ripoff, so fucking what? Sep 19 23:37:42 ~flasher Sep 19 23:37:42 flasher is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Sep 19 23:38:12 I just want a modules.dep. Sep 19 23:38:20 crashanddie: I want that for keyboard Sep 19 23:38:28 with 10 keys Sep 19 23:38:47 could almost be like chorded keyboard for words Sep 19 23:39:07 wait, what? Sep 19 23:39:33 crashanddie: ok, it sucks too Sep 19 23:39:43 I lost ya Sep 19 23:39:46 it is a standard dictionary-based system Sep 19 23:39:52 non-dynamic Sep 19 23:40:00 T9 for touchscreen Sep 19 23:40:05 = fail Sep 19 23:40:20 robink, if you're talking about the kernel modules on the initfs, just remount /mnt/initfs rw Sep 19 23:40:37 GeneralAntilles: Ahh. Sep 19 23:40:49 GeneralAntilles: That'll fix things? Sep 19 23:40:56 You've got about 2MB to play with on Diablo. Sep 19 23:41:07 crashanddie: and I suspect some equally pointless lawyer will enable that to be patented Sep 19 23:41:10 Well, assuming you're going to go into the initfs to fix whatever you did. Sep 19 23:41:14 I don't know what you broke. :P Sep 19 23:41:21 gah Sep 19 23:41:24 AStorm, we have a visual keyboard Sep 19 23:41:33 AStorm, and Apple had a patent on that IIRC Sep 19 23:41:49 yes, done with Newton Sep 19 23:41:51 :) Sep 19 23:41:55 GeneralAntilles: Maemo clobbered modules.dep when I upgraded the kernel modules. Sep 19 23:42:00 but they messed the application up Sep 19 23:42:11 so it ended up more specific than just a visual touchscreen keyboard Sep 19 23:43:08 anyway, we could take the idea further Sep 19 23:43:27 create a 2D dasher-like system Sep 19 23:43:53 with flashy rectangles-in-your-face look too :> Sep 19 23:44:29 just an adaptive optimization of standard keyboard Sep 19 23:45:18 where predicted letters get bigger screen area Sep 19 23:46:05 bonus if it's thumb-optimized Sep 19 23:46:17 I suspect someone has patented that already anyway Sep 19 23:46:26 if not, I'll try that ;P Sep 19 23:47:56 that swipe is no better than dasher which uses whole words Sep 19 23:48:26 (except the vertigo part, which is easily solvable) Sep 19 23:59:16 Anybody know why a modules upgrade would blow away modules.dep? Sep 20 00:00:31 * robink is tearing out his hair. Sep 20 00:14:57 * robink just posted to maemo-users. Sep 20 00:17:16 is there an easy way to kill a fullscreen app that is not responding? Sep 20 00:17:50 bucketj: killall or pkill? Sep 20 00:18:06 how would i call that on the 770 though Sep 20 00:18:18 Press the home button Sep 20 00:18:53 or the home button :-S Sep 20 00:19:02 <-- embarassed Sep 20 00:21:24 and are there any passable themes for the 2007HE OS? Sep 20 00:23:24 Plankton Sep 20 00:30:10 weird. maemo site's install link doesn't seem to work Sep 20 00:31:39 oh i can add the rep ok Sep 20 00:36:29 yeah plankton is nice Sep 20 00:37:37 what screen resolution do wallpapers need to be on the 770? Sep 20 00:38:16 nvm found it. Sep 20 00:42:18 are there any decent desktop applets. i have no need for weather on my 770 Sep 20 00:46:52 stupid bt kb Sep 20 00:57:02 hmmm cani change the defult maemo font in the broserrrrrr without having to dive through the frozen about:config system? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 20 02:59:57 2008