**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 20 02:59:57 2008 Sep 20 04:32:00 I'm trying to install tiemu from Yann's repo...but I'm getting a 404...any suggestions? Sep 20 04:34:11 just use chinook? Sep 20 05:41:01 why am i awake >_< Sep 20 05:41:29 and how on earth do i not have a hangover?! Sep 20 05:41:51 * rm_you goes back to sleep Sep 20 05:44:57 heh Sep 20 05:56:11 something is wrong with the world. Sep 20 06:02:42 yo Sep 20 06:02:55 anyone know how to get MaQii working on n810? Sep 20 06:03:02 i click launch for single player and it does nothing Sep 20 06:03:08 i also have a question about maemo mapper Sep 20 06:04:59 hmm Sep 20 06:05:10 thats somewhat depressing Sep 20 06:05:12 noone talks D: Sep 20 06:05:22 sorry about that :) hi there. Sep 20 06:05:26 heya Sep 20 06:05:39 any clue on how to get maQii Quake ii working on n810? Sep 20 06:05:44 or maemo maps Sep 20 06:05:53 or both ;) Sep 20 06:06:06 of those i've only used maemo maps... let me see if i can find the page with prereqs, just a sec. Sep 20 06:06:16 mmk Sep 20 06:08:33 i believe i downloaded flite and sqlite first ...still looking for the page i followed though. what does it do when you try to install? Sep 20 06:08:48 i got maemo maps installed Sep 20 06:08:54 but the gps i have no clue how to make it lock Sep 20 06:09:08 oh, gotcha. is this on an n810? Sep 20 06:09:13 yes Sep 20 06:09:23 and it's never locked so far? Sep 20 06:09:31 im not sure how to make it lock Sep 20 06:09:44 i deleted the maps folder when i got my n810 a day or two ago Sep 20 06:09:46 does the little satellite icon appear at the top of the screen when you open maemo-mapper? Sep 20 06:09:51 one sec Sep 20 06:10:20 nope Sep 20 06:10:43 one sec Sep 20 06:10:43 brb Sep 20 06:11:25 gives me error connecting to gpsd server: retry? Sep 20 06:11:38 what shows up under settings on the gps tab? Sep 20 06:12:05 in the maemo mapper settings window there is a tab about selecting the gps unit to use, and then in the menu there is a checkbox for enable gps Sep 20 06:12:11 mine has the radio button for bluetooth selected, and nothing in the blank after it. Sep 20 06:12:35 yes blank bluetooth = internal Sep 20 06:12:37 i bet yours is set to gpsd host. Sep 20 06:13:24 yeah Sep 20 06:13:28 its set to gpsd Sep 20 06:13:56 i do have agps installed so that should help Sep 20 06:14:07 ah Sep 20 06:14:11 i see sattellite icon Sep 20 06:14:19 establishing fix Sep 20 06:14:34 it may take a while the first time. seems to help if the tablet is vertical. Sep 20 06:14:59 also in th menu, under gps there is gpsinfo which is useful Sep 20 06:15:15 ah neat Sep 20 06:15:22 and maemo maps is free right? Sep 20 06:15:30 yes. Sep 20 06:15:33 awesome Sep 20 06:15:45 would i still need the maps folder that came with wayfinder? Sep 20 06:15:50 cause i deleted that and freed 1.5gb Sep 20 06:15:53 no Sep 20 06:15:54 maemo-mapper is definitely one of the killer apps for the 810 Sep 20 06:15:56 nope. Sep 20 06:15:59 ah ok Sep 20 06:16:00 awesome Sep 20 06:16:04 5.5gb free then :D Sep 20 06:17:37 though the only downside is that you have to let the program download tons of map tiles in png format, since it doesn't use vector maps Sep 20 06:17:47 :( Sep 20 06:17:59 how do i get the maps if its not connected to the internet? Sep 20 06:18:10 they're not horribly large, though. Sep 20 06:18:18 jaredu: you can't, have to download ahead of time. Sep 20 06:18:19 yes they are :/ Sep 20 06:18:29 well, horribly is relative i suppose :) Sep 20 06:18:32 ah Sep 20 06:18:39 where would i download the maps o.O Sep 20 06:18:42 either download your city and be done with it, or download along the routes you plan before trips Sep 20 06:18:49 menu Sep 20 06:18:51 heh Sep 20 06:19:20 i hope you live in a small town Sep 20 06:19:27 maybe a village Sep 20 06:19:40 it can either download based on where you're viewing or along plotted routes automatically Sep 20 06:20:01 hmm Sep 20 06:20:03 well Sep 20 06:20:06 im in texas >.< Sep 20 06:20:16 really? where at? Sep 20 06:20:20 near austin Sep 20 06:20:32 ah, neat. i'm up near denton. Sep 20 06:20:35 ah Sep 20 06:20:38 i have all of seattle and san antonio downloaded... not small cities :P Sep 20 06:20:46 lol Sep 20 06:20:49 ah i go to school in SA Sep 20 06:21:06 i go to school in austin Sep 20 06:21:06 apparently it's texan night or something in here. Sep 20 06:21:10 in berlin for the summit currently though Sep 20 06:21:11 45 miles Sep 20 06:21:16 to and fro Sep 20 06:21:23 90 miles a day for class :( Sep 20 06:21:39 thats why it is so quiet. everyone is in berlin right now and it is 8am Sep 20 06:21:40 i wish i'd known about it ahead of time; i love berlin. Sep 20 06:22:12 heh Sep 20 06:23:16 and it was free beer all night last night, tab picked up by nokia :P so only the insane people are currently conscious Sep 20 06:23:23 heh. Sep 20 06:23:32 gps is still working on getting a fix >.< Sep 20 06:23:37 * rm_you tries to sleep again Sep 20 06:23:44 heh Sep 20 06:24:12 if you have the opportunity, i highly recommend that you check out http://www.berlinerunterwelten.de/en/001/001.htm while you're there. neat tours. Sep 20 06:24:34 salesperson now are we? ;) Sep 20 06:25:00 very low on time now :( but thanks Sep 20 06:25:12 no, i just really enjoyed it. they took us on a tour of an underground civil defense bunker and some abandoned subway tunnels that hadn't been used since before the cold war. Sep 20 06:27:53 gps still at 1/5 Sep 20 06:27:58 wtf L* Sep 20 06:28:34 :/ you may be in a place that sucks. can you try moving it near a window or higher or anything? Sep 20 06:28:49 hmm, free beer and tech, sounds a bit counterproductive... Sep 20 06:29:41 yeah, but beer's cheaper than water in berlin :) Sep 20 06:30:12 and some of it is water Sep 20 06:31:30 morning :) Sep 20 06:32:13 t_s_o: always remember the ballmer peak Sep 20 06:32:36 jott: developers^1000? Sep 20 06:37:33 Morning, all Sep 20 06:38:04 hi there. Sep 20 06:53:10 Next device is going to have haptic feedback, according to Peter's just loose tongue... Sep 20 06:54:07 haptic? like a vibrating alert? Sep 20 06:54:46 Indeed Sep 20 06:55:41 that would be a nice feature, though maybe hard on battery life. Sep 20 06:55:43 Cool. Any ideas on how the device will be suited for gaming? Sep 20 06:55:53 No hints Sep 20 06:56:09 K, thanks. Sep 20 06:56:09 Better hardware (processor & 3D), but in terms of input; nope. Sep 20 07:00:54 hki Sep 20 07:03:43 Anyone know if mac80211 was backported to 2.6.21? If not, I guess I'll grab the latest linux-omap tree via git :/ Sep 20 07:26:55 hmm.. anyone else have the idea that the network at the summit is much slower than yesterday? Sep 20 07:33:09 Quim Gil session starting Sep 20 07:34:50 ~curse fucking linux losing my wpa key Sep 20 07:34:51 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, fucking linux losing my wpa key ! Sep 20 07:35:23 <_berto_> good morning guys Sep 20 07:36:34 morning Sep 20 07:54:56 hmm... too bad... I get the hildon-input-method bar thingy when running a presentation in kpresenter on my tablet :( Sep 20 07:55:13 turn off text completion Sep 20 08:01:36 tigert: how does one turn off text completion? Sep 20 08:02:00 (And how does one do it in a qt application :) ) Sep 20 08:02:23 Go to control panel and it's in the input settings iirc Sep 20 08:02:43 If not, time to break out gconf-editor ;) Sep 20 08:03:40 ah, it's under text input settings >languages>settings Sep 20 08:03:53 thanks much, i've really been wanting to get rid of that :) Sep 20 08:04:33 * qwerty12 rejoices as I master the art of writing to nvram using a cgi and a web page Sep 20 08:05:26 ah yeah, that works; thanks Sep 20 08:06:08 yea, in controlpanel, sorry Sep 20 08:06:30 now I only have to actually create my maemo-on-kde lightning-talk presentation :) I can at least run it on my tablet with kpresenter Sep 20 08:06:54 Heh, that's cool. How will you be presenting it? Sep 20 08:07:19 using the camera that is here anyway to show what's on your tablet Sep 20 08:07:28 k :) Sep 20 08:11:00 we should have the non-present council members live over video-gtalk with the cameera ;) Sep 20 08:12:48 With THAT camera? Umgh. Sep 20 08:13:38 * RST38h wonders if tigert would be willing to do a few icons, for the good of the community =) Sep 20 08:14:45 RST3why not Sep 20 08:14:53 darn network Sep 20 08:15:46 there is no electricity here right now though Sep 20 08:16:07 and my battery is almost dead on the mbp Sep 20 08:16:25 what kind of icons? Sep 20 08:16:58 tigert: I have released my emulators for maemo (see fms.komkon.org) Sep 20 08:17:20 tigert: Maemo versions are free, S60 and Windows versions are actually shareware Sep 20 08:17:51 tigert: I am missing good icons for the Maemo versions. A really bad at drawing them myself Sep 20 08:18:30 for the app icon? Sep 20 08:18:34 or ui icons? Sep 20 08:18:38 tigert: App icons only Sep 20 08:18:43 There are no UI icons there Sep 20 08:18:55 ok Sep 20 08:19:34 preferably .svg to avoid drawing them at different scales Sep 20 08:19:39 sure Sep 20 08:19:43 svg is the way Sep 20 08:20:01 but they need to be done for exact size preferably Sep 20 08:20:09 * RST38h is more or less confident about fMSX and Speccy icons but the rest look ugly =( Sep 20 08:20:09 to keep them crisp Sep 20 08:20:59 so which ones exactly? Sep 20 08:21:09 iNES, MasterGear, VGB, VGBA Sep 20 08:21:17 Oh, and ColEm Sep 20 08:25:23 k Sep 20 08:25:49 have you checked if tango project has some? Sep 20 08:26:06 I think I did, among others Sep 20 08:26:10 a moment Sep 20 08:26:14 they have device icons, but maybe not retro gear Sep 20 08:26:44 they may have a joypad image that I currently use for some apps Sep 20 08:26:48 yea Sep 20 08:26:49 NES joypad that is Sep 20 08:29:37 There are some here http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/23899.htm# but they are 24x24 pngs Sep 20 08:29:46 heh, that pad, in its euro/usa form, is a icon like no other ;) Sep 20 08:30:05 tso: Actually, Japanese seem to like their version as well Sep 20 08:30:26 And there are some cleaner ones here: http://stanleysy.tripod.com/skins-icons.htm but still bitmap only Sep 20 08:31:02 RST38h: i would say that a scaled up bitmap add a bit to the feel tho ;) Sep 20 08:31:14 big pixels, classic :P Sep 20 08:31:37 t_s_o: but not from 24 to 64 pixels =) Sep 20 08:31:38 as for the controller, i think the gray one is better known outside of japan ;) Sep 20 08:31:52 heh, you may be right about that... Sep 20 08:32:02 t_s_o: Those in the know, know both! (tm) =) Sep 20 08:32:33 indeed, but i got to say, get much more of a toy vibe from the red and gold of the famicom... Sep 20 08:32:56 and the purple and gray of the super dont help either... Sep 20 08:35:40 canola will be open sourced! Sep 20 08:37:15 hmm, not sure if i should be interested or worried... Sep 20 08:37:24 you should be happy! Sep 20 08:37:32 how can anyone not be incredibly happy about this news? Sep 20 08:37:55 * qwerty12 waits for a C port. python is a slow pos Sep 20 08:38:12 because i always found canola to be overkill for my use? Sep 20 08:38:14 mgedmin: I'm happy :) Sep 20 08:38:25 say "thanks" for me!! Sep 20 08:38:25 mgedmin: why does it matter, again? Sep 20 08:38:34 anyone got a working driftnet? Sep 20 08:38:35 seductive eye candy Sep 20 08:38:55 mgedmin: I think the words you want are "STFU you miserable gits; they are doing the right thing" Sep 20 08:39:14 :) Sep 20 08:39:26 but then open source is always a good thing, thats why i have mixed emotions ;) Sep 20 08:40:55 for those interested in sync/PIM http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/09/19/2023252.shtml Sep 20 08:41:17 sync/PIM is a myth Sep 20 08:41:18 it doesn't exist Sep 20 08:41:23 thats the server tho, dont help much if the client can do sync in the first place... Sep 20 08:41:29 I've never seen working sync/PIM in my life Sep 20 08:41:40 I have Sep 20 08:41:50 it was glowing white and had a horn Sep 20 08:43:03 * qwerty12 kills whatever it was and drinks the blood Sep 20 08:43:05 i think Filofax is a nicely working pim Sep 20 08:43:19 but does it have sync? Sep 20 08:43:20 ;) Sep 20 08:43:31 it doesnt have to sync Sep 20 08:43:36 its mobile ;) Sep 20 08:43:50 what about backups? what if you lose it? ;-) Sep 20 08:44:16 then you have nice amounts of free time ;) Sep 20 08:46:27 hi Sep 20 08:48:00 hi Sep 20 08:48:09 (damn this keyboard is slow) Sep 20 08:54:04 http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/how-maemo-approaches-open-source/ <- the begining of that second slide is not really promising... Sep 20 08:57:18 well, it is logical for a business Sep 20 08:59:26 true, but just means that they are trying to play both sides of the fence. use oss to save a dollar here, use closed source to lock the customer to the platform there... Sep 20 08:59:55 the link to the slides is broken Sep 20 09:00:09 (the PDF link, not the flash applet) Sep 20 09:02:30 i really hope the next set of ssu updates include a fix for that silly issue of connecting to saved hotspots out of offline mode... Sep 20 09:05:21 t_s_o: They are a business. How do you expect them to behave? Sep 20 09:05:28 t_s_o, you have a bug number? Sep 20 09:05:38 MishaS: on what? Sep 20 09:06:20 t_s_o, on the issue you expect to have a fix? Sep 20 09:06:34 RST38h: given that they sell hardware, like a hardware business. that is, after someone have bought hardware from them, they dont care what you do Sep 20 09:06:56 s/fix/fix for/ Sep 20 09:06:56 MishaS meant: t_s_o, on the issue you expect to have a fix for? Sep 20 09:07:31 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 Sep 20 09:07:48 t_s_o: "hardware" means nails and screws and metal piping Sep 20 09:08:04 t_s_o: Nokia sells consumer electronic devices, that is hardware+software Sep 20 09:08:20 Obviously, they want to stay competitive with their products Sep 20 09:08:36 so stuff better hardware in their products ;) Sep 20 09:08:58 rather then attempt to lock a customer to some service or software only they can provide... Sep 20 09:09:30 t_s_o: as far as hardware goes, pretty much all phone manufacturers use reference designs from their platform providers Sep 20 09:09:58 In other words, there are no "hardware advantages" between companies using the same OMAP2 or OMAP3 from TI Sep 20 09:10:09 woopie... Sep 20 09:10:20 t_s_o, it seems to have minor severity and low priority... i wouldn't have high hopes... Sep 20 09:10:35 You can of course stick higher-specced components in there (like 800x480 display) but your competitors can do the same Sep 20 09:11:08 so they try to not become yet another commodity provider? Sep 20 09:12:08 correct Sep 20 09:12:11 not like HTC Sep 20 09:12:47 actually, HTC is also trying to differentiate itself by putting stuff on top of the horrible WinMobile Sep 20 09:13:06 not sure i would call htc a commodity provider given the prices on their winmob phones... Sep 20 09:15:43 heh, i guess i simply cant grasp the concept of greed : Sep 20 09:15:44 :P Sep 20 09:15:48 they are comparable with nokia's Sep 20 09:16:45 or other winmobile based phones Sep 20 09:18:27 hi, some documents tell to enable rd mode, but is there any tasks that endluser cannot do with rootsh (sudo gainroot)? Sep 20 09:19:19 hmm, what documents would that be? Sep 20 09:19:24 rootsh works how the rd mode method of enabling root is Sep 20 09:19:33 rd mode root still makes you use sudo gainroot Sep 20 09:25:30 ssh root@localhost woeks ok too Sep 20 09:29:43 heh, never tried that :P Sep 20 09:30:39 hello Sep 20 09:31:03 kia ora (hello) Sep 20 09:31:24 i want to use the n800 cam as webcam Sep 20 09:31:42 maybe with piture uploads or something Sep 20 09:31:47 is there a script? Sep 20 09:32:11 i cant webcam with many people using icq, msn, etc camchat Sep 20 09:32:24 so i could use this instead of Sep 20 09:32:37 ssh-method wastes some precious cpu-time (and thus battery). I doubt the difference is significant, though. Sep 20 09:34:10 eichi: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20309 Sep 20 09:34:42 I find typing my password in to be annoying, hence I only use the ssh method when I am sshing into my N800 from my computer Sep 20 09:34:54 it's not like it uses radio, and it's mostly coincident with other activity, so probably notmuch Sep 20 09:35:10 t_s_o: some document how to tune n800, writer apparently didn't now rootsh exist Sep 20 09:36:25 qwerty12: ...key? Sep 20 09:37:34 sp3000: can't be bothered to figure out how they work. I'm so lazy in that regard, I just compiled sshpass (supplies password to ssh automatically) Sep 20 09:37:45 * _berto_ loves to play ghosts 'n' goblins in an actual arcade machine at c-base Sep 20 09:38:28 qwerty12: that sounds complicated, but ok :) Sep 20 09:38:33 qwerty12, hm, i have a problem with NAt, cant forward to my pda Sep 20 09:38:52 sp3000: heh :) Sep 20 09:39:03 eichi: Don't you have NAT Loopback on your router or something? Sep 20 09:39:35 its UMTS. the providers does not allow incomming ports Sep 20 09:40:16 ah Sep 20 09:40:25 but maybe i can use gstmjpg and make a upload script, instead of apache server Sep 20 09:40:41 i only need a picture for that to upload it frequently Sep 20 09:44:43 how the hell did someone get hold of a prototype 770?! Sep 20 09:44:50 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23741 Sep 20 09:48:51 aaaaaaaargh maemo.org is impossibly slow :( Sep 20 09:49:07 eff this, I'm not going to edit the wiki Sep 20 10:09:04 quiet here all of a sudden... Sep 20 10:16:46 everyone is sleepy i guess ;) Sep 20 10:38:28 hi jott Sep 20 10:49:59 internet suddenly became slow Sep 20 11:06:43 Indeeed, mauku has hung - looks like networking done in GUJI thread Sep 20 11:07:46 hehe.. evil Sep 20 11:20:56 qwerty12: did you see the pm test stuff yet? Sep 20 11:22:01 Not sure IRC isn't easier and better than this Jaiku thing. It is pretty tho Sep 20 11:22:45 irc was used to report from first iraq war and the russian coup, it's always better than a centralized thing :P Sep 20 11:22:58 :) Sep 20 11:23:30 i never even heard of jaiku Sep 20 11:24:29 from what i can understand, jaiku is a cross between twitter and irc... Sep 20 11:24:39 and all with a basis in a web interface... Sep 20 11:25:13 i wonder how many times i have seen irc be recreated, for better or worse, as a web chat system... Sep 20 11:25:29 * Stskeeps wonders when the promised dsme comes on garage. Sep 20 11:26:14 dsme? Sep 20 11:26:37 yeah, it was on "things put on garage today" along with stlc45xx Sep 20 11:29:31 yeah i am wondering about dsme too Sep 20 11:29:33 twitter? ehhh.. bah. Sep 20 11:29:54 who can i poke about it? Sep 20 11:30:24 poke quim to tell you whom to poke? or kate? Sep 20 11:30:48 quim is on track 1 currently Sep 20 11:30:58 there's been some power management test stuff but that's not dsme :P Sep 20 11:31:28 okay, the package cleanup sprint is massive fail Sep 20 11:31:53 spent all the time fighting the projector Sep 20 11:32:05 lol mostly yes Sep 20 11:32:34 projectors are probably both the most loved and the most -hated- devices on earth Sep 20 11:32:35 :P Sep 20 11:32:55 the sad thing it was working initially at 1280x800 Sep 20 11:32:59 only it didn't look like 1280x800 Sep 20 11:33:27 it looked more like 800x600 with lossy scaling from 1280x800 Sep 20 11:33:38 but trying to change the resolution to something lower makes the projector go completely catatonic until you power it off, wait 2 minutes, and turn it back on Sep 20 12:02:56 Hi, im developing an application in gtk run's on maemo, im using gdkpixbuf to put images for widget's which act like a button . any one got comments on which one is faster type of image on X, gdkimage, gdkpixbuf, gtkimage, cairo_surface..? Sep 20 12:34:41 which was it that was leaked? dsme or mce? Sep 20 12:39:38 rm_you: did you ask for the dsme release? Sep 20 12:40:08 rm_you: mce was in HE sources Sep 20 12:40:10 DSME isn't Sep 20 12:42:01 Blafasel: yes i asked and got an answer: two weeks Sep 20 12:42:04 meh Sep 20 12:42:12 hrm Sep 20 12:42:19 ten bucks it's going past legal because of cal.h or something Sep 20 12:42:25 anyway, good that they provide it Sep 20 12:42:33 they don't seem to think it will be useful to anyone Sep 20 12:42:49 they're sortof right though Sep 20 12:42:59 most interfacing things are already reverse engineered Sep 20 12:42:59 but that makes the big announcement less interesting Sep 20 12:43:07 >_< Sep 20 12:43:21 if however they provide API for cal.h.. Sep 20 12:43:32 then i'm on it like wasps on a marmelade sandwich. Sep 20 12:43:35 * RST38h finds it disturbing that instead of writing/porting/fixing apps Sep 20 12:43:56 useful to ABL! though he said the 'dimming up' bug was actually fixed in new mce/dsme Sep 20 12:44:01 people hack deeper and deeper into stuff only nokia staff should be concerned about Sep 20 12:44:28 RST38h: after dealing with hildon gtkmm i decided it wasn't worth learning maemo API Sep 20 12:44:44 as porting is too much of a chore compared to how it -could- have been Sep 20 12:44:49 (better integration into gtk, etc.) Sep 20 12:45:06 Sts: well, it is more or less standard gtk Sep 20 12:45:33 And you could always write compatibility layer any way you want ;) Sep 20 12:45:35 RST38h: the whole set attribute on widget as set(key,value) instead of set_key(value) is just insane, and they didn't even bother to #define themselves out of it Sep 20 12:45:38 :P Sep 20 12:46:00 most things would be straight compiles otherwise Sep 20 12:46:06 Sts: Well, you can #define those yourself Sep 20 12:46:15 And include a single extra header file Sep 20 12:46:22 that's true, but that was too much hassle :P Sep 20 12:46:38 not really Sep 20 12:46:39 i like maemo cos of some of the power management support things though Sep 20 12:46:46 you can even do it with a script :) Sep 20 12:46:49 besides that, system hacking is much more fun Sep 20 12:46:50 :P Sep 20 12:47:00 Yea, THIS ONE I understand :) Sep 20 12:47:30 Still, it reminds me of reprogramming car controllers. Fancy but useless in the long run. Sep 20 12:47:55 well, i'm seeing stuff like deblet more and more important though, since Nokia is indicating they might want to leave tablets behind Sep 20 12:48:08 as in, non-N900 ones, in terms of OS upgrades Sep 20 12:48:51 and we might be giving the 770's a renessaince(sp) with supporting it (as we made it boot recently) :P Sep 20 12:49:26 to bad mine is a permanent paper weight Sep 20 12:49:45 WSOD? Sep 20 12:50:31 yep, and as i bought is at sale from expansys, its a us one, while i live in norway... Sep 20 12:50:42 so nokia dont want to fix it :( Sep 20 12:50:53 mm, i will have the same problem if i break my n800 ever Sep 20 12:50:56 (.dk) Sep 20 12:50:57 Yay! Beer Sep 20 12:50:59 bought it from us Sep 20 12:51:18 got cheated by a danish company that claimed to have the n800 Sep 20 12:51:24 had to involve the bank and all :P Sep 20 12:51:30 ugh Sep 20 12:51:34 ~curse Clutter for being the source of useless incompa Sep 20 12:51:35 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Clutter for being the source of useless incompa ! Sep 20 12:51:40 tible eyecandy Sep 20 12:51:51 well, given the experience its probably the last time i buy anything from expansys... Sep 20 12:52:25 what did you buy? Sep 20 12:52:29 hehe, gentlemen, you should have tried buying stuff from Nokia's official US distributor Sep 20 12:52:39 THAT would make you think of Kafka more than once Sep 20 12:52:47 MangoFusion: a 770 at sale Sep 20 12:53:13 i grabbed a bluetooth keyboard from them once. worked fine, but it had a few pencil doodles and residue from a peeled off sticker still on Sep 20 12:54:56 hmm, didnt intel buy openhanded recently? Sep 20 12:54:59 Yup Sep 20 12:55:12 Once of the theories why mallum isn't here for his talk... Sep 20 12:56:14 :) Sep 20 12:56:25 s/Once/One/ Sep 20 12:56:25 that has crossed my mind too Sep 20 12:56:26 Jaffa meant: One of the theories why mallum isn't here for his talk... Sep 20 12:56:34 infobot: shush Sep 20 12:56:37 funny, given that intel made use of hildon in moblin Sep 20 12:56:46 Fine, I'll shut up. Sep 20 12:56:52 and matchbox Sep 20 12:57:03 and clutter ;-) Sep 20 12:57:51 Not openhanded, OpenedHand Sep 20 12:58:10 Indeed, good spot Sep 20 12:58:10 heh, was going from memory :=) Sep 20 12:58:20 if i have 2 packages (a,b where b depends on a) in extras-devel, shall i promote both of them to extras, or only the top of the dependency tree (and the needed one will be automatically promoted too) ? Sep 20 12:58:41 melmoth: both, starting from the bottom Sep 20 12:58:47 or your users will have PROBLEMS Sep 20 12:58:51 ok.thanks Sep 20 12:59:29 And Moblin2 will be based on RedHat (bleah) Sep 20 12:59:46 ... Sep 20 13:00:20 RST38h: well, it's still interesting since Fedora is seemingily ported to armel Sep 20 13:01:38 Sts: yes but do you really want to have anything to do with redhat? Sep 20 13:01:54 RST38h: no, not really Sep 20 13:02:00 Debian I understand. It may be a toy OS but it is packaged semidecently Sep 20 13:02:15 and i don't intend to, people can use my tricks to get it running on tablet, but i'm not going to use it myself :P Sep 20 13:02:23 RedHat is a bloody mess, last time I checked it was anyway Sep 20 13:02:37 when was that ? Sep 20 13:02:45 A few years ao Sep 20 13:02:45 ] Sep 20 13:02:45