**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 22 02:59:57 2008
Sep 22 03:00:42 <Dsnye> night!
Sep 22 03:08:26 <Viny> Olaa
Sep 22 03:09:27 <mouser-_> Hello
Sep 22 04:25:26 <TokyoDan> anybody here?
Sep 22 04:29:34 <summatusmentis> yes
Sep 22 04:36:16 <TokyoDan|away> heading out for some exercise.
Sep 22 04:39:08 * RST38h moos woefully
Sep 22 05:04:57 <Pinger> Anyone figure out how to get USB networking to work via WINXP on N810?
Sep 22 05:05:32 <RST38h> Hehehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/22/dziuba_anti_revolution/
Sep 22 05:09:39 <RST38h> "Don't you think it's just a little scary that people who spend their programming careers in Javascript and PHP are now allowed to think about concurrent execution?" <== priceles
Sep 22 05:36:21 <Italodance> what are file managers for IT?
Sep 22 05:38:39 <rm_you> hrm
Sep 22 05:38:42 <rm_you> dodgy connection
Sep 22 05:41:31 <Italodance> ?
Sep 22 05:41:40 <Italodance> what are file managers for IT?
Sep 22 05:51:28 <tigert> ?
Sep 22 05:51:40 <tigert> morgen
Sep 22 06:09:55 <bef0rd> mc
Sep 22 06:10:00 <bef0rd> built in file manager
Sep 22 06:14:24 <pupnik810> woohoooo
Sep 22 06:14:43 <derf> Welcome to the party.
Sep 22 06:15:06 * pupnik810 happy
Sep 22 06:15:14 <pupnik810> how was summit?
Sep 22 06:16:14 <derf> I wouldn't know.
Sep 22 06:20:22 <timelyx> good
Sep 22 06:24:52 <summatusmentis> the n810 doesn't have an fm radio, correct?
Sep 22 06:25:00 <solmumaha> pupnik810: morning
Sep 22 06:25:02 <timelyx> correct
Sep 22 06:25:19 <summatusmentis> :-/ bummer
Sep 22 06:25:28 <solmumaha> morning all actually
Sep 22 07:51:46 <jsmanrique> morning!
Sep 22 07:54:04 <robink> jsmanrique: Morning.
Sep 22 08:17:37 <RST38h> moo, zap
Sep 22 08:26:18 <X-Fade> morning
Sep 22 08:27:29 <crashanddie> hey X-Fade
Sep 22 08:27:41 <crashanddie> Now, that was exceptionally fun
Sep 22 08:27:50 <X-Fade> It sure was ;)
Sep 22 08:27:52 <crashanddie> Having my n810's alarm clock going off
Sep 22 08:28:05 <crashanddie> With the broken screen
Sep 22 08:28:11 <crashanddie> so... unable to turn it off
Sep 22 08:28:41 <cuse> Hi! I'm using Maemo Diablo on Debian Sid and got the following problem: when trying to install any package with "fakeroot apt-get install something" I get "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded" and so it fails to install or upgrade any package. What can I do?
Sep 22 08:28:44 <X-Fade> Remove battery ;)
Sep 22 08:29:18 <crashanddie> X-Fade, when you're waking up from I drunk night, it's a bit hard to think logically...
Sep 22 08:29:29 <crashanddie> X-Fade, I stood up, left it outside my room
Sep 22 08:29:39 <crashanddie> from a drunk night**
Sep 22 08:29:43 <X-Fade> crashanddie: heh ;)
Sep 22 08:30:30 <crashanddie> anyway, monday morning gotta get ready to run my weekly marathon
Sep 22 08:30:43 <zap> RST38h: moo
Sep 22 08:30:53 <crashanddie> X-Fade, you enjoyed the Summit?
Sep 22 08:31:12 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Oh, yes.. I sure did. It was amazing.
Sep 22 08:31:31 <crashanddie> Good. Lucky you !
Sep 22 08:31:43 <crashanddie> http://www.mobymemory.com/micro-SD.asp
Sep 22 08:31:54 <crashanddie> Apparently they ship tomorrow for the 16Gig micro-sd
Sep 22 08:34:39 <Stskeeps> cuse: you mean the SDK?
Sep 22 08:34:54 <cuse> Stskeeps: yes
Sep 22 08:36:05 <Stskeeps> scratchbox 1 i guess?
Sep 22 08:36:47 <cuse> yes
Sep 22 08:38:26 <cuse> I tried "sb-conf install --fakeroot", but "fakeroot apt-get ..." still fails
Sep 22 08:38:32 <cuse> with the same error
Sep 22 09:06:48 <thux> hi, what shoud put flasher --set-root-device <here> to get booting back to diskchip?
Sep 22 09:19:17 <thux> apparently <flash> works
Sep 22 09:21:02 <univac> does someone know about charging on diablo? i cant charge my empty battery becouse its everytime reboots from chargeing mode to Nokia bootsplash logo
Sep 22 09:37:29 <taplax> univac: i think that was some firmware issue which has been fixed. you might try to find it from itt thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12863
Sep 22 09:38:58 <univac> ok thanks.
Sep 22 09:45:25 <lardman> morning
Sep 22 09:45:32 <lardman> ~lart TalkTalk broadband
Sep 22 09:45:32 * infobot executes killall -HUP TalkTalk broadband
Sep 22 09:46:30 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: apologies for dropping out yesterday, see above
Sep 22 09:48:33 <lardman> hi johnx
Sep 22 09:49:02 <johnx> hey
Sep 22 09:49:08 <johnx> how goes it?
Sep 22 09:49:32 <lardman> not bad, summit was good :)
Sep 22 09:51:13 <lardman> whoa, trying to edit this page to add a link to my presentation (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008), does the preview not work correctly?
Sep 22 09:55:26 <X-Fade> lardman: Sometimes tables in previews have 'issues'.
Sep 22 09:58:13 <lardman> X-Fade: I was loath to save it, didn't look too good
Sep 22 10:09:36 <NeoWatch> hey guys... my n800's screen keep scrolling down and shaking anyone has an idea what would cause that? even reflashing didnt fix it
Sep 22 10:10:34 <johnx> "scrolling down"? is it reacting like the d-pad down button is held?
Sep 22 10:12:06 <NeoWatch> see like when a movie finishes and u see the credits? the same but i keep seeing the same screen one and again
Sep 22 10:12:44 <X-Fade> NeoWatch: Looks like a display cable problem or something. Hardware related at least.
Sep 22 10:13:10 <NeoWatch> hmm i bought in in compusa hopefully they still have warranty
Sep 22 10:13:36 <X-Fade> NeoWatch: Just to be sure. You even see the bootup Nokia logo scroll?
Sep 22 10:13:50 <NeoWatch> yeah
Sep 22 10:14:05 <X-Fade> Yep, hardware problem.
Sep 22 10:14:05 <NeoWatch> right now i have it on USB mode and its scrolling
Sep 22 10:14:38 <X-Fade> It can be something as simple as your flatcable a bit loose. But try warranty first ;)
Sep 22 10:16:31 <NeoWatch> okey thanks.
Sep 22 10:20:36 <Talus46_n810> greetings
Sep 22 10:29:46 <bongo> hello :)
Sep 22 10:34:19 <RST38h> Hello, X-Fade
Sep 22 10:34:39 <RST38h> X-Fade: Any news on Speccy 1.6.3 promotion to Extras?
Sep 22 10:41:03 <lcuk> X-Fade, :) hi - did you wake up the next day with "wii-elbow"?
Sep 22 10:42:28 <lcuk> hi everyone else btw \o
Sep 22 10:42:29 <X-Fade> lcuk: No, upper arm hurt :)
Sep 22 10:42:38 <X-Fade> RST38h: I'll check..
Sep 22 10:42:54 <lcuk> :D did you do anything other than tennis?  i found the baseball and boxing was hardest
Sep 22 10:43:19 <X-Fade> Well, did some Mario cart too.
Sep 22 10:43:47 <RST38h> Do they have Castlevania for Wii at all?
Sep 22 10:43:52 <lcuk> thats easy (apart from throwing stuff at your mates
Sep 22 10:44:14 <lcuk> lego star wars is wicked - waving light sabre around is good fun
Sep 22 10:44:57 <Fatal> :)
Sep 22 10:45:17 <RST38h> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/21/AR2008092102529.html?nav=rss_email/components  <=== second degree gender discrimination
Sep 22 10:45:17 <Fatal> or plopping the arms off stormtroopers
Sep 22 10:46:27 <RST38h> (although I do believe they are computing two variables that depend on a third rather than on each other)
Sep 22 10:52:11 * lcuk goes for dinner
Sep 22 11:06:02 <StsN800> lo aladds
Sep 22 11:06:25 <aladds> hi
Sep 22 11:08:04 <X-Fade> RST38h: Non-free?
Sep 22 11:08:39 <StsN800> aladds, you have something called bme-dbus-proxy in 2006?
Sep 22 11:08:58 <aladds> StsN800: no idea, but i can find out
Sep 22 11:09:18 * aladds boots his 770 into OS2006
Sep 22 11:10:10 <X-Fade> RST38h: You need to remind me of the problem. It looks good to me?
Sep 22 11:13:06 <aladds> StsN800: yes, yes i do
Sep 22 11:13:17 <StsN800> aladds, good:)
Sep 22 11:13:26 <StsN800> path?
Sep 22 11:14:20 <lardman> hi lcuk
Sep 22 11:14:45 <lcuk> hi simon :)
Sep 22 11:14:57 <lardman> do some sightseeing?
Sep 22 11:14:57 <aladds> StsN800: gimmie a sec :P
Sep 22 11:14:59 * lcuk had a really good time, hope you had fun too
Sep 22 11:15:23 <lardman> definitely, shame I had to leave so early, was having a good chat about mapper backends
Sep 22 11:15:28 <lcuk> yer, i spent the afternoon around the zoo and the transport system - it was amazing to just stand around and listen to the bustle
Sep 22 11:15:43 <lardman> did you see the aquarium?
Sep 22 11:15:50 <lcuk> i am even starting to understand both language and the way things work - i was amazed with everything :)
Sep 22 11:15:58 <lardman> all good :)
Sep 22 11:16:11 <lcuk> no, i didnt go in anywhere - lack of funds - but it wasnt as important to me
Sep 22 11:16:45 <lcuk> next time im bringing tracy and the kids with us (if things progress) and then we can spend some proper time doin stuff
Sep 22 11:17:02 <lardman> cool
Sep 22 11:17:07 * lcuk loves berlin :)
Sep 22 11:17:29 <lcuk> how was your return trip - everything smooth
Sep 22 11:17:43 <lardman> yeah, delayed of course, but Holly picked me up
Sep 22 11:17:54 * lardman wonders how Jamie got on
Sep 22 11:19:04 <aladds> StsN800: does this help? http://pastebin.com/d4e12baff
Sep 22 11:19:20 <lcuk> i had a slight delay between tegal and frankfurt - i was told to run through and legged it top whack - i arrived and the very nice german security staff were nicand found out which way and clarified i had enough time n stuff
Sep 22 11:19:32 * lcuk was knackered
Sep 22 11:20:19 * lardman got home full of ideas for stuff to hack at, and bloody broadband was still broken
Sep 22 11:21:07 <lcuk> ouch - i tried to connect my nokia(s) to my phone whilst in berlin and it failed miserably, i cant wait for the new stuff - all in one will make my life easier
Sep 22 11:21:16 <lcuk> which stuff are you looking towards?
Sep 22 11:22:29 <lardman> I thought I'd take a stab at the usb2vga stuff, take a look at why usb is slow
Sep 22 11:22:43 <lardman> and also tile/routing server backend for OSM data for Maemo mapper
Sep 22 11:22:53 <lcuk> yer, it did seem a bit "wrong" - hopefully its something tweakable
Sep 22 11:23:53 <lcuk> yer, that was a very interesting track :) i wonder if a similar server could be built to interface with the already onboard vector maps we have on device
Sep 22 11:24:04 <lcuk> it would save doubling up on the space requirements for 810 owners
Sep 22 11:24:40 <lardman> well yes that would be possible, using the same code in mm assuming someone works out the format and creates a server to render the data and do routing
Sep 22 11:24:53 <lardman> I imagine Garmin maps would be the second target as the format is known
Sep 22 11:25:23 <lcuk> yer, if the framework gets started it can be moulded into something usable by the vogue of the day
Sep 22 11:25:58 * lcuk has 5 hours till tracy comes home
Sep 22 11:26:03 <lardman> there's not even much framework needed, just need to act as a web server and serve mm with whatever it currently uses
Sep 22 11:26:06 <lcuk> well, till she picks me up
Sep 22 11:26:16 <lardman> where are you now then?
Sep 22 11:26:35 <lcuk> @desk
Sep 22 11:26:40 * lcuk knows where he would rather be
Sep 22 11:27:47 * lardman would rather be home programming, but with internet that's not going to be all that convenient
Sep 22 11:27:51 <lcuk> i was sat around making notes about all the areas which need tweaking and imporvoing and how to do the next phase
Sep 22 11:27:57 <lardman> s/with/with no
Sep 22 11:28:26 <lcuk> thanksfully most of my stuff  is happy without internet - for now - :)
Sep 22 11:28:42 <lardman> I need to grab svn code, look at how things work, etc.
Sep 22 11:28:51 <lcuk> but ive gotta re-evaluate how to dev since my family got a bit bigger
Sep 22 11:29:10 <Stsn800> aladds, yeah -ta
Sep 22 11:29:19 <aladds> :)
Sep 22 11:29:21 <lcuk> good /me has a whole set of new ideas which can be tested now :)
Sep 22 11:29:42 <lcuk> hmmm -good (but thats not bad)
Sep 22 11:30:14 * lardman has to reduce a 20pg paper to 8pg, madness
Sep 22 11:30:17 <lcuk> so what time did you land back yesterday and how late were you?
Sep 22 11:30:33 <lardman> lcuk: I got back on Sat night, about 11pm
Sep 22 11:30:44 <lcuk> Ctrl A, Font Size 6.  Done
Sep 22 11:31:02 <lardman> lol, yeah I'm tempted
Sep 22 11:31:42 <lcuk> i hate boiling things down, but its still easier than not having enough and having to pad things out
Sep 22 11:33:51 <lcuk> does anyone know if theres a bluetooth wristwatch with a customisable display?
Sep 22 11:33:58 <lcuk> ie one i can send a bitmap to
Sep 22 11:34:24 * lcuk is sick of writing reminders on side of thumbs
Sep 22 11:34:41 <crashanddie> 16Gig microSD in stock: http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Micro-SDHC/SanDisk/SanDisk-16GB-Micro-SD-(SDHC)-Card---Class-4-(Excluding-Adaptor)
Sep 22 11:35:30 <crashanddie> mobymemory starts delivering tomorrow
Sep 22 11:35:32 <lcuk> not good if you cant see the data
Sep 22 11:35:48 <crashanddie> lcuk, why wouldn't you be able to see the data?
Sep 22 11:36:30 <lcuk> you can't i mean
Sep 22 11:36:40 <crashanddie> ?
Sep 22 11:36:46 <crashanddie> oh because of the screen?
Sep 22 11:36:53 <lcuk> yeah
Sep 22 11:36:58 <crashanddie> .|..
Sep 22 11:36:58 <lcuk> mariuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus
Sep 22 11:37:05 <lcuk> did you get food?
Sep 22 11:37:15 <crashanddie> anyway, off to CarePhone Warehouse
Sep 22 11:37:17 <crashanddie> cheers
Sep 22 11:37:29 <karbas> btw. is there any book or document about maemo platform
Sep 22 11:37:37 <crashanddie> and if they won't fix it, I'll go directly to Nokia UK HQ
Sep 22 11:37:44 <karbas> should do my thesis and write some pages about maemo in general
Sep 22 11:37:47 <lcuk> yes do
Sep 22 11:37:53 <Stsn800> oh, this is interesting
Sep 22 11:38:05 <crashanddie> lcuk, I'll drop my CV off at the same time :D
Sep 22 11:38:21 <lcuk> good idea
Sep 22 11:38:28 <crashanddie> lcuk, got a call from another company, they'd like to interview me for a "nicely paid job in the south east"
Sep 22 11:38:28 <Stsn800> austin che started reverse engineering bme protocol
Sep 22 11:38:32 <lcuk> let them know you are involved in the community
Sep 22 11:38:49 <crashanddie> lcuk, usually that means crappy pay for a fortune5billion company
Sep 22 11:39:53 <lcuk> hmmm this would work for what i want http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/2008/04/20/is-that-windows-mobile-on-your-wristwatch
Sep 22 11:40:03 <lcuk> crashanddie, thats the case everywhere
Sep 22 11:44:53 <mgedmin> lcuk: hi
Sep 22 11:45:08 <mgedmin> 'mariuuuu*s' is not in my notify words list
Sep 22 11:45:23 <lcuk> hahaha but it worked
Sep 22 11:45:44 <mgedmin> found a coctail bar that had sushi
Sep 22 11:45:50 <lcuk> how was the return journey for you?
Sep 22 11:45:56 <mgedmin> it was nice
Sep 22 11:45:59 <mgedmin> the next day was not so nice
Sep 22 11:46:09 <mgedmin> had no time to get breakfast before my flight
Sep 22 11:46:14 <mgedmin> arrived home with a headache
Sep 22 11:46:19 <mgedmin> crashed and lost the rest of the day
Sep 22 11:46:42 <lcuk> :( i hate those kind of days
Sep 22 11:47:23 <lcuk> all fine now and back on track i gather
Sep 22 11:51:03 <lcuk> im goin smokin, ill b back after work
Sep 22 11:51:17 <mgedmin> filthy habit
Sep 22 11:53:14 <aquatix> :)
Sep 22 12:00:12 <Stsn800> hm, who runs that mrrau dyndns site?
Sep 22 12:12:25 <Stskeeps> ~seen KotCzarny
Sep 22 12:12:28 <infobot> kotczarny <n=ariel@68.162.32.101> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 97d 13h 17m 37s ago, saying: 'no point in using 2007'.
Sep 22 12:12:41 <aladds> Stskeeps: pidgin is sloooow
Sep 22 12:12:45 <RST38h> Something happened to him
Sep 22 12:12:57 <RST38h> Car accident? Murder? Marriage?
Sep 22 12:13:00 <solmumaha> ~seen Alterego
Sep 22 12:13:01 <infobot> alterego <n=alterego@cpc3-cmbg11-0-0-cust590.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 207d 19h 54m 53s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get maemo.rubyx.co.uk back up.'.
Sep 22 12:13:35 <solmumaha> heavy rest indeed
Sep 22 12:14:29 <solmumaha> i miss him :(
Sep 22 12:15:12 <Stskeeps> RST38h: that person had some interesting insight into implementing OSS solutions of nokia things
Sep 22 12:15:15 <Stskeeps> kinda like austin che
Sep 22 12:15:34 <RST38h> Sts: Too late now.
Sep 22 12:15:48 <Stskeeps> probably
Sep 22 12:15:54 <RST38h> "He is dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and I will take his purse."
Sep 22 12:16:06 <Stskeeps> his site is still up so there's hope ;)
Sep 22 12:16:22 <Stskeeps> hm. he's actually on freenode
Sep 22 12:16:56 <solmumaha> so is alterego!
Sep 22 12:17:37 <RST38h> -> *KotCzarny* Hey, how come we do not see you at #maemo any more? =)
Sep 22 12:17:51 <Stskeeps> i asked some more specific question :P
Sep 22 12:18:50 * mgedmin wants pulseaudio on his n810
Sep 22 12:19:17 <Stskeeps> osso-esd is OSS these days
Sep 22 12:19:19 <Stskeeps> implement it?
Sep 22 12:19:19 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 22 12:19:37 <Stskeeps> (yes, dsp headers too)
Sep 22 12:26:55 <RST38h> mgedmin: what is the advantage over esd?
Sep 22 12:28:25 <mgedmin> RST38h: you can switch streams in mid-play to a different networked output
Sep 22 12:28:31 <mgedmin> which is my killer use-case for pulseaudio
Sep 22 12:28:40 <mgedmin> plus zeroconf discoverability, yum
Sep 22 12:28:50 <mgedmin> (shame it all works better in theory than in practice)
Sep 22 12:29:32 <mgedmin> IIRC pulseaudio is going to be builtin in freemantle
Sep 22 12:29:48 <RST38h> mgdemin: cool, too bad it does not help my usage case =(
Sep 22 12:31:01 <Stskeeps> mgedmin: the osso-esd stuff is pretty simple, so go ahead and make a pulseaudio output plugin :P
Sep 22 12:31:07 <RST38h> Which is synthesizing audio on the fly and playing it with reasonble latency/jitter
Sep 22 12:31:41 <blafasel> Whoa. Call me ignorant, but I never thought someone would actually use the sword/rapier stuff. Interesting.
Sep 22 12:32:20 <RST38h> BTW anyone knows if esd *ever* stalls when you output samples? It seems to be buffering whatever I output
Sep 22 12:34:46 <ShadowJK> considering pulseaudio sometimes uses 25% cpu on my sempron3100 just outputting sound, it will certainly be "interesting" to see how pulseaudio will fit into a tiny ARM cpu... :)
Sep 22 12:35:29 <RST38h> "Interesting" as in "will it use 100% CPU or just 25%"? =)
Sep 22 12:36:19 <ShadowJK> You can forget low latency and low jitter if you're up to 25% cpu just to stream nice big chunks of audio :)
Sep 22 12:36:37 <RST38h> Prolly
Sep 22 12:37:11 * RST38h asks The Great Green One to make Nokia provide a standard /dev/dsp device
Sep 22 12:37:24 <RST38h>  /dev/audio or /dev/pcm will do just as well though, no problem
Sep 22 12:37:51 <ShadowJK> It's certainly sad that Linux has no decent audio interface right now
Sep 22 12:37:57 <suihkulokki> RST38h: well, it's certainly fortunate that you are not doing architectural decisions :)
Sep 22 12:38:04 <RST38h> Shadow: Who said it does not?
Sep 22 12:38:18 <RST38h> suihkulokki: Fortune is in the eye of a beholder
Sep 22 12:38:38 <blafasel> RST38h: The linuxhater blog did.
Sep 22 12:38:40 <blafasel> ;-p
Sep 22 12:38:47 <RST38h> Shadow: Any of the above listed interfaces will work just fine
Sep 22 12:39:14 <RST38h> blafasel: They also called to the Great Green One? Have they sacrificed a tux or two?
Sep 22 12:40:07 <RST38h> Shadow: Ok, I agree that OSS ioctl()s implemented in /dev/dsp are SoundBlaster centric and should be mostly dropped. But the base API is exactly what is needed and not a whistle more
Sep 22 12:40:39 <ShadowJK> yeah, the OSS stuff is probably the most sane
Sep 22 12:40:58 <RST38h> Well, there is also Sun's /dev/audio - very similar to /dev/dsp but simpler
Sep 22 12:41:17 <RST38h> And there is FreeBSD's /dev/pcm - a simplified straightened out version of /dev/dsp
Sep 22 12:41:17 <ShadowJK> And if you use the out of tree OSS drivers you can even play multiple sounds at once!
Sep 22 12:41:30 <ShadowJK> sunaudio is nice
Sep 22 12:41:37 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: what's debian policy on things that's reverse engineered btw? i'm allowed to from my law atleast to open things up and stuff
Sep 22 12:41:52 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: if for instance we start making OSS replacements for nokia daemons
Sep 22 12:41:54 <RST38h> Shadow: Multiple streams issue has been solved long time ago - you normally have 4 or so audio device nodes
Sep 22 12:42:23 * ShadowJK has one
Sep 22 12:42:33 <RST38h> No dsp0 through dsp3?
Sep 22 12:42:49 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps, there is no debian policy, but you'll want to keep keep the documentation and implementing phases atleast separate
Sep 22 12:42:51 <RST38h> Well, try opening the one you have multiple times
Sep 22 12:43:02 <ShadowJK> can only open it once
Sep 22 12:43:06 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: *nod*
Sep 22 12:43:14 <RST38h> Then your version does not support multiple streams
Sep 22 12:43:39 <suihkulokki> and the rest of you guys should read the Linux plumbers conf audio miniconf notes from lwn.new
Sep 22 12:43:42 <ShadowJK> need the OSS that isn't in Linux :P
Sep 22 12:43:58 <suihkulokki> ..before makinf more ill-informed comments based on anecdoctal evidence :P
Sep 22 12:46:13 <ShadowJK> link?
Sep 22 12:46:46 <mgedmin> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/299211/80bd386c71bab66f/
Sep 22 12:48:09 <ShadowJK> "the software that currently breaks your audio."
Sep 22 12:48:10 <ShadowJK> lol
Sep 22 12:49:37 <RST38h> suihkulokki: this stuff should have never been in the userland
Sep 22 12:49:57 <RST38h> It should have been a device with a clean ioctl() based API
Sep 22 12:50:40 <mgedmin> kernel hackers disagree :(
Sep 22 12:51:02 * RST38h feels to urge to suggest FreeBSD instead
Sep 22 12:51:04 <mgedmin> they don't want audio resampling & mixing in kernel-space
Sep 22 12:51:06 <RST38h> [sorry][
Sep 22 12:51:28 <mgedmin> freebsd on a tablet?
Sep 22 12:51:36 <RST38h> mgedmin: why not?
Sep 22 12:51:42 <mgedmin> could be a nice lightning talk topic for the next summit
Sep 22 12:51:43 * aquatix wants minix3 dammit
Sep 22 12:51:46 <RST38h> It runs on the iPhone :)
Sep 22 12:51:50 <mgedmin> we'll be expecting you ;)
Sep 22 12:52:21 <suihkulokki> using freebsd would allow N to keep more components closed
Sep 22 12:52:23 <RST38h> Not likely. If I get a chance to attend, the talk will most likely be centered on performance optimization for ARMs
Sep 22 12:52:35 <mgedmin> shush, don't give them any ideas!
Sep 22 12:52:58 <RST38h> suihkulokki: however they wish.
Sep 22 12:53:40 <RST38h> btw, mixing they will have to have implement in the kernel but resampling can be done in a helper library
Sep 22 12:53:59 <ShadowJK> It's like, you have a problem with Applications X and soundsystem/daemon Y, the Y devs say it's the fault of X, the X people are clueless because Y wont tell them what to change or what they're doing wrong, enough different Xs eventually emerge and they write another sound system/daemon, and the cycle repeats :(
Sep 22 12:54:11 <RST38h> And decent hardware will do mixing by itself of course.
Sep 22 12:54:29 <ShadowJK> There will be no decent hardware :)
Sep 22 12:55:38 <RST38h> Shadow: AC97 supports multiple streams
Sep 22 12:55:48 <RST38h> And that is *97*, mind you :)
Sep 22 12:56:25 <aquatix> yeah, i still hate how i can't even listen music and play a flash movie with sound at the same time on my brandnew workstation
Sep 22 12:56:37 <aquatix> somehow works on my laptop though
Sep 22 12:57:09 <ShadowJK> I can as long as I don't mind pulseaudio eating 25% CPU, and/or flash having 4 second latency :-)
Sep 22 12:57:41 <RST38h> Shadow: You do not have AC97 or maybe you need a proper audio deriver?
Sep 22 12:57:47 <RST38h> s/deriver/driver/
Sep 22 12:57:47 <infobot> RST38h meant: Shadow: You do not have AC97 or maybe you need a proper audio driver?
Sep 22 12:57:54 <jsmanrique> time for lunch
Sep 22 12:57:58 <blafasel> pa works for me, it's not even lagging behind. Except when I close epiphany/flash, I have to listen to some 3-4 seconds of youporn before it dies.
Sep 22 12:58:44 * Stskeeps glances at his tablet and pondering what it is doing
Sep 22 12:58:44 <blafasel> (and wine sucks with pa. Same for some voip apps)
Sep 22 12:59:12 <ShadowJK> blafasel, yeah that's what I meant with latency
Sep 22 12:59:46 <ShadowJK> RST38h, lspci says AC'97 :P
Sep 22 13:00:05 <ShadowJK> it's not like anything except ac97 exists on desktop in real life anymore..
Sep 22 13:01:11 <RST38h> Shadow: There is some way to see audio device stats that also shows you hiw many streams are supported
Sep 22 13:01:51 <mgedmin> I bet AC97 *allows* multiple streams, but doesn't *require* them
Sep 22 13:02:06 <mgedmin> so everyone goes for the cheap solution and implement mixing in software
Sep 22 13:02:15 <ShadowJK> yep
Sep 22 13:02:50 <ShadowJK> /proc/asound/pcm lists one playback one record stream
Sep 22 13:03:06 <ShadowJK> hm no, seems like 2 capture and 1 playback :)
Sep 22 13:07:44 <RST38h> 2 capture is for stereo =)
Sep 22 13:09:05 <RST38h> Shadow: The Net says ALSA contains a software mixing plugin
Sep 22 13:09:38 <johnx> RST38h, that's dmix
Sep 22 13:09:46 <RST38h> yep
Sep 22 13:09:54 <johnx> it works great too
Sep 22 13:09:59 <johnx> not network transparent though
Sep 22 13:10:35 <RST38h> oh, who needs network transparency really...
Sep 22 13:10:41 <mgedmin> I do
Sep 22 13:10:57 <RST38h> what is the usage case? a thin client?
Sep 22 13:10:58 <johnx> RST38h, some people :)
Sep 22 13:11:20 <johnx> playing sound from my tablet to my computer's speakers?
Sep 22 13:11:32 <mgedmin> yep
Sep 22 13:11:33 <johnx> from laptop to speakers hoooked to a set-top box
Sep 22 13:11:36 <RST38h> johnx: mount it as a device
Sep 22 13:11:55 <RST38h> I mean, as a storage device
Sep 22 13:12:10 <johnx> that is one possibility
Sep 22 13:12:24 <RST38h> and a wiser one two, with respect to the amount of data transferred
Sep 22 13:13:25 <johnx> but it can be kind of a PITA sometimes
Sep 22 13:13:38 <johnx> I'm just playing the devil's advocate anyways...
Sep 22 13:14:12 <RST38h> works for me most of the time...even over bluetooth =)
Sep 22 13:27:36 <Mek> hmm.. how do I figure out in what repository a package is? Because currently I have a package I need that is available in my scratchbox install, but not on my actual device...
Sep 22 13:27:52 <johnx> apt-cache policy package
Sep 22 13:29:09 <Mek> ah, it is diablo/sdk. does it hurt to enable that on an actual device?
Sep 22 13:29:45 <Stskeeps> we enable it as part of deblet install :P
Sep 22 13:32:53 <Mek> anyway, why are many perl modules only available in sdk, ant not in some 'normal' repository :)
Sep 22 13:33:43 <Stskeeps> maemo madness
Sep 22 13:33:48 <Stskeeps> it's kinda like mad cow, only with operating systems
Sep 22 13:33:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 22 13:33:58 <X-Fade> Because they are used by certain debian tools?
Sep 22 13:34:02 <johnx> sounds like a game show on daytime TV...
Sep 22 13:34:07 <X-Fade> Which are not needed on the device.
Sep 22 13:34:27 <X-Fade> And enabling the sdk repository on your device is a bad thing to do.
Sep 22 13:34:55 <Stskeeps> so binutils on tablet is considered harmful?
Sep 22 13:35:01 <Mek> but they are not only used by debian tools, someone may also wright a real application in perl for example... :P
Sep 22 13:35:14 <X-Fade> No, but if you need them: Upload to extras?
Sep 22 13:35:33 <X-Fade> Mek: Sure, put perl in extras ;)
Sep 22 13:35:38 <Stskeeps> i'd love binutils in extras really :P
Sep 22 13:36:05 <Stskeeps> (which other do we use from diablo/sdk, johnx?)
Sep 22 13:36:21 <Mek> I guess I'll upload all the perl modules I need to extras-devel than...
Sep 22 13:36:32 <johnx> Stskeeps, do you still grab bash from someplace random?
Sep 22 13:36:34 <timeless> x-fade: err
Sep 22 13:36:39 <Stskeeps> johnx: we don't need bash anymore
Sep 22 13:36:41 <Stskeeps> sh is just fine
Sep 22 13:36:49 <X-Fade> Mek: That would be the best option as others can use it too.
Sep 22 13:40:16 <X-Fade> binutils is in the sdk/tools repo. Which you can use on the device.
Sep 22 13:40:48 <X-Fade> But no perl, I'm affraid.
Sep 22 13:41:57 <johnx> Stskeeps, ncurses-base is from sdk or tools
Sep 22 13:42:00 <Mek> well.. perl must be somewhere, because I already have that installed on my device...  justmany perl modules are missing...
Sep 22 13:42:17 <Stskeeps> ah yes
Sep 22 13:42:47 <X-Fade> Ehm, right. It is on the device.
Sep 22 13:43:01 <X-Fade> But probably pretty slimmed down./
Sep 22 13:43:33 <johnx> diablo/tools/free is ok to have enabled on the device, right?
Sep 22 13:43:41 <johnx> or is that related to sdk?
Sep 22 13:43:51 <X-Fade> The tools part is ok.
Sep 22 13:45:12 <johnx> Stskeeps, looks like we can get everything from non-sdk repos
Sep 22 13:46:35 <Stskeeps> good
Sep 22 13:46:46 <Stskeeps> what about binutils? :P
Sep 22 13:46:49 <Stskeeps> oh
Sep 22 13:46:51 <Stskeeps> sdk/tools
Sep 22 13:47:10 <Stskeeps> that's good to know
Sep 22 13:47:20 <Stskeeps> *add to todo*
Sep 22 13:47:46 <johnx> for n in $(apt-cache show deblet-installer | grep Depends | cut -f2 -d:) ; do apt-cache policy $(echo $n | cut -d, -f1) ; done
Sep 22 13:48:01 <Stskeeps> hehe
Sep 22 13:48:17 <johnx> it doesn't cope well with |'s but just ignore those
Sep 22 13:48:44 <GeneralAntilles> ohgod. Please, no, RST38h. <_<
Sep 22 13:48:46 <Stskeeps> [15:45] <johnx> for n in $(apt-cache show deblet-installer | grep Depends | cut -f2 -d:) ; do apt-cache policy $(echo $n | cut -d, -f1) ; done
Sep 22 13:48:49 <Stskeeps> er
Sep 22 13:48:58 <Stskeeps> wrong paste
Sep 22 13:49:41 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://trac.tspre.org/newinstaller.deb is the new apt-using installer if you are interested - repo URL isn't final yet but it works, going to prod some people with it to test how it works with the new package infrastructure
Sep 22 13:50:00 <Stskeeps> (no upgrade path from normal deblet yet sadly)
Sep 22 13:50:15 <johnx> that's fine, I'll backup my $HOME and give it a shot
Sep 22 13:51:24 <Stskeeps> minor things like hal-gpio-switch aren't working, atleast
Sep 22 13:52:46 <Stskeeps> cos for some reason apt doesnt choose -my- hal version
Sep 22 13:52:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 22 13:53:12 <johnx> we can pin your repo at a higher priority
Sep 22 13:53:18 <Stskeeps> yeah, true
Sep 22 13:53:31 <Stskeeps> it's weird though since it was like a ~version compared to the - version
Sep 22 13:54:49 <RST38h> X-Fade: Any luck on that Speccy package?
Sep 22 13:55:02 <X-Fade> RST38h: What is the problem with it? :)
Sep 22 13:55:10 * Stskeeps spams the usual suspects with "could you try this out" pm's
Sep 22 13:55:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 22 13:55:27 <X-Fade> RST38h: I checked it, installed it, uninstalled it. Worked for me?
Sep 22 13:55:41 <RST38h> General: What did your request relate to? =)
Sep 22 13:55:53 <GeneralAntilles> Not trying to get KotCzarny back in here if he's still around.
Sep 22 13:55:58 <RST38h> X-Fade: I uploaded 1.6.3 last night, but the Packages file still says 1.6.2
Sep 22 13:56:09 <X-Fade> RST38h: No it doesn't?
Sep 22 13:56:14 <RST38h> General: Has he been naughty?
Sep 22 13:56:20 <GeneralAntilles> I am not a fan.
Sep 22 13:56:36 <X-Fade> RST38h: I installed 1.6.3 from Application Manager?
Sep 22 13:56:41 <RST38h> X-Fade: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/4.1/non-free/binary-armel/Packages  <-- definitely says 1.6.2. Weird.
Sep 22 13:56:54 * RST38h seems to be a victim of some web cache
Sep 22 13:56:58 <X-Fade> RST38h: Ah, wait. I might have -devel enabled :)
Sep 22 13:57:22 * RST38h submitted it to plain extras
Sep 22 13:58:08 <X-Fade> RST38h: It is in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/non-free/binary-armel/Packages too btw.
Sep 22 13:58:20 <X-Fade> RST38h: Are you sure you are not looking at a cached copy?
Sep 22 13:58:28 <X-Fade> Version: 1.6.3-1
Sep 22 13:58:35 <X-Fade> Version: 1.6.3-1
Sep 22 13:58:38 <X-Fade> MD5sum: 6a3c695ee815fd3cf175fd264cf65da5
Sep 22 13:58:41 <RST38h> Weird
Sep 22 13:58:47 <RST38h> Ok, lemme wget it from Komkon
Sep 22 13:59:07 <X-Fade> RST38h: Why are you using 4.1 and not diablo btw?
Sep 22 13:59:43 <RST38h> dunno...a habit...it's a link, right?
Sep 22 14:00:00 <X-Fade> Yes, but still ;)
Sep 22 14:00:04 <RST38h> It is there, but so is 1.6.2. Ok, off to update Downloads page
Sep 22 14:00:23 <X-Fade> RST38h: Yeah, we don't do cleanup at the moment.
Sep 22 14:00:25 * RST38h uses PICO to write code. What do you expect from him? =)
Sep 22 14:01:12 <RST38h> BTW, as 1.6.3 is available, check it out in full screen mode - it should use /dev/fb0 device now, much faster
Sep 22 14:05:24 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, any progress with Freenode?
Sep 22 14:05:33 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: On what?
Sep 22 14:05:41 <GeneralAntilles> The contact info and cloaks.
Sep 22 14:05:51 <X-Fade> Ah, no.
Sep 22 14:05:54 * GeneralAntilles is feeling really vain.
Sep 22 14:06:06 <X-Fade> Of course not ;)
Sep 22 14:06:30 <X-Fade> But I guess you council guys should be able to arrange this? :D
Sep 22 14:06:58 <GeneralAntilles> The council's job is delegation, not doing. :P
Sep 22 14:07:12 <X-Fade> Tsk.
Sep 22 14:07:31 <GeneralAntilles> I could poke a staffer or two, though.
Sep 22 14:08:00 <X-Fade> I at least know that the web form is useless.
Sep 22 14:17:56 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie said the turnaround for them was 2 weeks.
Sep 22 14:18:18 <X-Fade> Hmm, then mine was probably lost ;)
Sep 22 14:20:30 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, how long ago did you file the form?
Sep 22 14:20:51 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: 2 months ago at least?
Sep 22 14:21:42 <X-Fade> The contact form for a channel.
Sep 22 14:22:11 <GeneralAntilles> I'm poking #freenode.
Sep 22 14:27:08 <Palintheus> fwiw I've seen people in there asking when their form was 6+ mos old
Sep 22 14:28:13 <GeneralAntilles> Then whose palm did crashanddie grease. . . .
Sep 22 14:29:41 <Palintheus> I think it's a matter of constantly asking/bugging which ever staffer you can get
Sep 22 14:30:46 <StsN800> what form? (i know a staffer)
Sep 22 14:31:08 <GeneralAntilles> The group contact form. (as do I)
Sep 22 14:31:18 <StsN800> ah
Sep 22 14:46:45 <andrewfblack> I found a new Web Based strategy game I can't quit playing.  Its designed for the iphone
Sep 22 14:47:02 <RST38h> X-Fade: btw, Slide Rule for some reason does not show in the list of my apps in the Profile
Sep 22 14:47:28 <RST38h> X-Fade: First thought that it was a matter of time, but it does look stuck now
Sep 22 14:47:40 <andrewfblack> RST38h: I don't think profiles are updating garage projects right now
Sep 22 14:47:45 <X-Fade> RST38h: There is a limit on items in the box. I still need to remove that.
Sep 22 14:47:57 <RST38h> oh
Sep 22 14:48:24 <RST38h> But I looked at the HTML and it is not there either
Sep 22 14:49:04 <RST38h> And the project page (https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/sliderule/) does not show the author name too
Sep 22 14:49:35 <X-Fade> RST38h: Ah, that is an other problem. Page -> edit metadata..
Sep 22 14:49:45 <X-Fade> Add yourself as author there.
Sep 22 14:49:46 <RST38h> ok...
Sep 22 14:49:49 <RST38h> heh
Sep 22 14:51:09 <RST38h> says "no results"
Sep 22 14:52:16 <X-Fade> enter your full last name or full nick
Sep 22 14:52:35 <RST38h> Yea, last name only - worked
Sep 22 14:52:40 <X-Fade> It doesn't do part search.
Sep 22 14:52:49 <RST38h> neither full name nor nick worked though
Sep 22 14:53:46 <lardman> How fast is Python compared to C?
Sep 22 14:53:56 <mgedmin> not very
Sep 22 14:54:03 <lardman> :)
Sep 22 14:54:06 <lardman> thought so
Sep 22 14:54:08 <mgedmin> unless you're measuring develpoment speed, as opposed to runtime speed
Sep 22 14:54:19 <lardman> yeah, always a trade-off
Sep 22 14:54:33 <lardman> just looking at OSM data rendering and routing, seems to be lots of Python projects around
Sep 22 14:54:45 <mgedmin> python is a very nice language
Sep 22 14:55:15 <mgedmin> but I wouldn't advise writing massively parallel physics simulations in it
Sep 22 14:55:55 <lardman> no, I can understand that
Sep 22 14:56:08 <RST38h> audio decoders also apply
Sep 22 14:56:27 <lardman> I suppose that access times to MySQL databases are pretty slow, so Python may not be a large hinderance
Sep 22 14:56:42 <RST38h> for database stuff it is fine
Sep 22 14:56:42 <lardman> RST38h: Damn, I was hoping to move over ;)
Sep 22 14:56:54 * RST38h figured that much =)
Sep 22 14:57:09 <lardman> slow compared to Python vs C execution time I meant
Sep 22 14:57:47 <lardman> though that's not really valid thinking
Sep 22 14:58:24 <mgedmin> one guy wrote a VoIP implementation in Python
Sep 22 14:58:39 <lardman> with some hw assist/external C libs I presume?
Sep 22 14:58:50 <RST38h> There are people who wrote Spectrum and NES emulators in Java
Sep 22 14:58:59 <mgedmin> there was a subroutine for audio mixing in the standard library, apparently
Sep 22 14:59:16 <Mek> there are people who wrote x86 dos emulators in Java :)
Sep 22 14:59:27 <lardman> ok, well I may have a crack at pulling something together from the Python code, should be reasonably quick to code at least
Sep 22 15:01:04 <RST38h> mgdemin: btw, how did he do the encoding? surely there is no audio codec stuff in pythonstandard libs?
Sep 22 15:01:17 <RST38h> Mek: eek.
Sep 22 15:01:53 <lardman> Mek: I guess that's a way of stopping DOS programs from running too quickly on our otherwise fast processors ;)
Sep 22 15:02:18 <Mek> :)
Sep 22 15:02:43 <mgedmin> RST38h: don't remember; check out http://divmod.org/trac/wiki/ShtoomProject
Sep 22 15:02:54 <RST38h> !
Sep 22 15:03:44 <lardman> native PortAudio
Sep 22 15:05:16 <RST38h> Uses the G711 ULAW codec by default, or GSM 06.10 (with additional pygsm module installed).
Sep 22 15:05:47 <RST38h> At the moment G711 ULAW (aka PCMU) is supported with the standard Python audioop module. If you install Itamar Shtull-Trauring's pygsm module (available from shtoom CVS as module 'pygsm', or from the 'Files' section of the shtoom website), it will also handle GSM 06.10.
Sep 22 15:08:13 <lardman> pygsm wraps libgsm
Sep 22 15:08:29 <lardman> so anyway, yep eventually the heavy lifting is done in C (or asm ;)
Sep 22 15:08:40 <RST38h> G711 may still be written in python though...
Sep 22 15:10:58 <derf> lardman: Is there a basic library for just doing an FFT on the DSP already?
Sep 22 15:11:03 <lardman> derf: yes
Sep 22 15:11:13 <derf> Link?
Sep 22 15:11:25 <lardman> hang on a tick
Sep 22 15:12:00 <lardman> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/linux_summit.odp
Sep 22 15:12:05 <lardman> should give you the spru number
Sep 22 15:12:10 <derf> Thanks.
Sep 22 15:12:58 <lardman> probably this one (I can't read OO files in the office): http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru422i/spru422i.pdf
Sep 22 15:13:47 <Italodance> hi johnx
Sep 22 15:14:04 <johnx> hi Italodance. did you get it fixed?
Sep 22 15:14:49 <lardman> http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru037c/spru037c.pdf is also worth a look
Sep 22 15:16:42 <derf> Actually this is for audio.
Sep 22 15:17:19 <derf> Looking at a CELT port... if I can offload the FFT used for the pitch search, encode+decode should fit comfortably in real time (they're just barely real time now).
Sep 22 15:20:30 <GeneralAntilles> How'd the website redesign discussion go at the Summit, btw?
Sep 22 15:22:33 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: 30 mins was way to short ;)
Sep 22 15:22:46 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Sep 22 15:22:51 <GeneralAntilles> I like Bundyo's general design.
Sep 22 15:22:56 <GeneralAntilles> If we drop most of the js garbage.
Sep 22 15:23:04 <X-Fade> I do too, although I dislike green ;)
Sep 22 15:23:35 <X-Fade> But Quim has asked the indt designers to make a design too.
Sep 22 15:23:52 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Sep 22 15:24:02 * GeneralAntilles was trying to get some sort of traction on that a month ago. . . .
Sep 22 15:25:02 <X-Fade> Although I think that reorg of the pages is more important than redesign of the style.
Sep 22 15:25:14 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Sep 22 15:25:17 <X-Fade> Restructuring vs redesign.
Sep 22 15:25:50 <crashanddie> Ok
Sep 22 15:26:01 <crashanddie> so without any proof of purchase, I can't send my NIT into repair
Sep 22 15:26:07 <X-Fade> Hmm lame, my blog post didn't get posted yesterday. Well, better late then never ;)
Sep 22 15:26:13 <GeneralAntilles> wtf?
Sep 22 15:26:15 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Well, that is no news?
Sep 22 15:26:38 <X-Fade> crashanddie: You always need to provide that.
Sep 22 15:26:59 <lardman> derf: I'm happy to help
Sep 22 15:27:06 <crashanddie> Nokia told me to contact a company, which I did, 20 quid initial costs, and then they will advise me of what's happening next. But it'll probably be around a hundred quid total
Sep 22 15:28:03 <crashanddie> I went into a phone repair shop, and they told me just opening it up and seeing what's wrong was 15 quid, and then extra on what they'll have to do
Sep 22 15:28:05 <lardman> X-Fade: same here (30min too short), though everyone may have fallen asleep if my slot had been longer - Florian for example ;)
Sep 22 15:28:12 <derf> lardman: Just looking for now.
Sep 22 15:28:19 <crashanddie> So I just asked them to get me a screwdriver set for the NIT, and I'll do it myself
Sep 22 15:28:26 <X-Fade> lardman: Check my blog post on planet ;)
Sep 22 15:28:35 <Italodance> johnx
Sep 22 15:28:41 <derf> I also assume you haven't looked at any of the QR code stuff yet.
Sep 22 15:28:42 <Italodance> not yet i show u now
Sep 22 15:28:56 <johnx> Italodance, ok. show me
Sep 22 15:29:01 <florian> lardman: heh, well... noone blames you for the free beer the evening before ;)
Sep 22 15:29:02 <crashanddie> X-Fade, yeah, but it's still bollocks
Sep 22 15:29:19 <lardman> florian: :)
Sep 22 15:29:28 <GeneralAntilles> I don't get the proof of purchase requirement.
Sep 22 15:29:31 <X-Fade> crashanddie: No? Warranty isn't transferable?
Sep 22 15:29:39 <GeneralAntilles> ^ retarded
Sep 22 15:29:43 <crashanddie> still bollocks anyway
Sep 22 15:30:25 <X-Fade> Well, I don't think storing a receipt is a big deal, really.
Sep 22 15:30:32 <Italodance> johnx http://i34.tinypic.com/dz8j03.png
Sep 22 15:30:43 <Italodance> johnx it just added others???
Sep 22 15:30:54 <lardman> X-Fade: lol, thanks; am expanding it into a decent document to fill in the gaps and replace the current wiki page
Sep 22 15:30:54 <Italodance> without overwrite
Sep 22 15:31:22 <X-Fade> lardman: I was sitting there with Quim and we were just blown away ;)
Sep 22 15:31:37 <Italodance> johnx maybe i need to active obe of these news
Sep 22 15:31:43 <Italodance> one...
Sep 22 15:32:24 <lardman> derf: what code base are you working from? Git, or 0.4.0?
Sep 22 15:33:33 <johnx> Italodance, I really don't know what's wrong. sorry.
Sep 22 15:33:56 <Italodance> :(
Sep 22 15:34:27 <derf> lardman: Git.
Sep 22 15:36:28 <lardman> derf: I;'ve got to go now, but have grabbed the 0.4.0 tarball, you're talking about the pitch.c file?
Sep 22 15:37:37 <derf> Yeah.
Sep 22 15:37:47 <crashanddie> X-Fade, I still have the receipt, everything
Sep 22 15:37:56 <crashanddie> X-Fade, it's just about 1500km away
Sep 22 15:38:05 <lardman> ok, I'll take a look - broadband probably not working at home so I'll catch you tomorrow
Sep 22 15:38:05 <derf> Basically the real16_fft_inplace call.
Sep 22 15:38:10 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Aw :(
Sep 22 15:38:11 <crashanddie> X-Fade, and I'm not about to go and take a plane/train to get to my storage room
Sep 22 15:38:33 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Where did you buy it? nokia online shop?
Sep 22 15:38:38 <lardman> derf: and the inverse? What data lengths are we talking about here?
Sep 22 15:38:39 <derf> (and real16_iffft)
Sep 22 15:38:41 <crashanddie> Nha, eBay
Sep 22 15:38:47 <derf> lardman: 1024 or so.
Sep 22 15:38:54 <lardman> ok, so worthwhile then
Sep 22 15:38:57 <derf> Gah, that's a lot of f's.
Sep 22 15:39:02 <lardman> :)
Sep 22 15:39:18 <derf> lardman: I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to just break that out, or to move the whole thing to the DSP.
Sep 22 15:39:33 <lardman> derf: yep
Sep 22 15:39:53 <derf> It should compile and run on a C55x.
Sep 22 15:39:55 <lardman> derf: probably easiest to move a little bit at time (/me thinks of Tremor :S )
Sep 22 15:40:09 <lardman> derf: no 8bit data accesses?
Sep 22 15:40:14 <derf> Well, in theory someone has already ported it.
Sep 22 15:40:17 <derf> lardman: I know!
Sep 22 15:40:41 <crashanddie> X-Fade, ebay, sadly
Sep 22 15:40:45 <lardman> who's ported it?
Sep 22 15:41:08 <derf> Some guy JM was working with, not sure...
Sep 22 15:41:14 <X-Fade> crashanddie: No emails stored?
Sep 22 15:41:24 <crashanddie> X-Fade, everything
Sep 22 15:43:54 <lardman> cu all tomorrow
Sep 22 15:44:03 <derf> Have fun.
Sep 22 15:44:19 <lardman|gone> got a meeting first, so we'll see
Sep 22 15:44:24 <lardman|gone> bye
Sep 22 15:53:41 <crashanddie> Ok, my n810 lies open in front of me :D
Sep 22 15:54:01 <qwerty12> Fix it like how nokia would fix it :P
Sep 22 15:57:40 <||cw> crashanddie: what's wrong with it?
Sep 22 15:57:56 <crashanddie> I was right :)
Sep 22 15:58:01 <crashanddie> Screen connector got loose
Sep 22 15:59:47 <GeneralAntilles> Nasty
Sep 22 16:00:05 <mgedmin> dropped it once too many?
Sep 22 16:00:09 <mgedmin> so it crashed and died?
Sep 22 16:00:55 <crashanddie> quite literally, yeah
Sep 22 16:01:47 <GeneralAntilles> So, who is gonna be jumping in on the WLAN driver development?
Sep 22 16:02:06 <crashanddie> works :D
Sep 22 16:02:09 <crashanddie> Hahahah :D
Sep 22 16:02:20 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: fanoush showed some interest atleast
Sep 22 16:02:34 <crashanddie> sound works too
Sep 22 16:02:36 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, congrats
Sep 22 16:02:45 <Stskeeps> i don't know enough about wlan development to work on that, so
Sep 22 16:03:00 <qwerty12> Who's going to release a pre-compiled linux-omap kernel first? :P
Sep 22 16:03:03 <crashanddie> ok, let's see if the camera now works too
Sep 22 16:03:17 <crashanddie> Hahahahahah :D
Sep 22 16:03:19 * qwerty12 can't be arsed to git clone the linux-omap tree, takes too pissing long
Sep 22 16:03:20 <crashanddie> IT DOES :D
Sep 22 16:03:35 <qwerty12> Hehe, great! Still going to buy N810W?
Sep 22 16:03:40 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, you might be checked out by the time it's in mainline? :D
Sep 22 16:03:48 <crashanddie> qwerty12, no fucking way
Sep 22 16:04:14 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i noticed austin che has started hacking a bit away at BME communication btw
Sep 22 16:05:09 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Sep 22 16:05:21 <GeneralAntilles> Talk about a lot of effort now almost totally invalidated.
Sep 22 16:05:43 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: the DSME stuff or? :P
Sep 22 16:05:52 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the DMSE stuff.
Sep 22 16:05:55 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles: lol, I'd be peed off :P
Sep 22 16:05:57 <qwerty12> crashanddie: lol
Sep 22 16:06:18 <GeneralAntilles> Well, I suppose the goodnews is that he's now well equipped to hack on Nokia's code.
Sep 22 16:06:20 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: great, hopefully, he produces good results like with the DSME stuff
Sep 22 16:06:26 <crashanddie> And all it took was a £1 screwdriver set, and a veil
Sep 22 16:06:29 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe we can get some Nokia to accept some cool patches.
Sep 22 16:08:39 <GeneralAntilles> s/some //1
Sep 22 16:34:10 <Knowledge> Alright meat heads, any new words on the new tablet...
Sep 22 16:34:34 <||cw> I heard it'll taste like cheddar
Sep 22 16:34:42 <Knowledge> nice!...
Sep 22 16:34:42 <jiiv> cheddar's not bad.
Sep 22 16:34:50 <Knowledge> sharp I hope...
Sep 22 16:34:54 <jiiv> indeed.
Sep 22 16:34:59 <crashanddie> cheddar tastes like plywood
Sep 22 16:35:06 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, were you watching Engadget? :\
Sep 22 16:35:08 <Knowledge> Merkts Cheddar is awesome
Sep 22 16:35:11 <crashanddie> Brits don't know shit about cheddar
Sep 22 16:35:17 <||cw> really?!  where do you get your plywood!
Sep 22 16:35:17 <crashanddie> s/cheddar/cheese/
Sep 22 16:35:20 <Knowledge> No General
Sep 22 16:35:24 <Knowledge> I wasn't
Sep 22 16:35:29 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, well. . . .
Sep 22 16:35:29 <Knowledge> lmao
Sep 22 16:35:33 <johnx> Knowledge, then go watch Engadget
Sep 22 16:35:39 <crashanddie> infobot is gone?
Sep 22 16:35:52 <johnx> actually though, I'll spoil it: There will be mild and sharp versions
Sep 22 16:35:59 <crashanddie> infobot, hey there !
Sep 22 16:36:04 <crashanddie> ~help
Sep 22 16:36:09 <johnx> speculation on a crossover colby-jack tablet is still just a rumor
Sep 22 16:36:36 <johnx> ~botsnack
Sep 22 16:36:37 <Stskeeps> i want a tablet that has the metal patterned like a cow. white and black spots.
Sep 22 16:36:39 <crashanddie> rumour**
Sep 22 16:36:54 <GeneralAntilles> sudo rm -rf en-gb
Sep 22 16:37:02 <Knowledge> nothing on engadget
Sep 22 16:37:06 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, permission denied
Sep 22 16:37:17 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, there are at least 2 articles on Engadget.
Sep 22 16:37:24 <GeneralAntilles> One of them was frontpage less than 6 hours ago.
Sep 22 16:37:30 <Knowledge> then their search engine blows
Sep 22 16:37:52 <johnx> Knowledge, yeah, we knew that too :)
Sep 22 16:38:01 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/21/a-few-more-details-confirmed-on-nokias-next-gen-internet-tablet/
Sep 22 16:38:26 <||cw> "and that use of hair-care products at the Summit was apparently optional."
Sep 22 16:38:27 <||cw> heh
Sep 22 16:38:48 <Knowledge> Good lord!...3g?...
Sep 22 16:38:51 <GeneralAntilles> Poor Kate
Sep 22 16:38:53 <Knowledge> why not cdma?...
Sep 22 16:38:55 <Knowledge> oh wait
Sep 22 16:39:13 <||cw> even tmoble is goiing 3g now
Sep 22 16:39:14 <Knowledge> that's going to be around $700
Sep 22 16:39:29 <Knowledge> you guys ever heard of the "unlimited sim" from Tmo?
Sep 22 16:39:33 <Knowledge> I wonder if it's a scam
Sep 22 16:40:21 <GeneralAntilles> Supposedly Nokia wants to keep the price reasonable.
Sep 22 16:40:26 <johnx> unlimited = scam
Sep 22 16:41:10 <Knowledge> I figured that much johnx....cause craigslist chicago has those things for $30-$35....per month, for unlimited everything
Sep 22 16:41:32 <Knowledge> GeneralAntilles: I'm leaning towards $700
Sep 22 16:41:54 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, surely because of the 3G and not because of the OMAP3, though. ;)
Sep 22 16:42:08 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, is there any way we can get the site to keep you logged in for some sort of appreciable period of time?
Sep 22 16:42:09 <johnx> I wonder what HSPA bands they'll support and whether we'll have different US and EU versions
Sep 22 16:42:21 <Knowledge> GeneralAntilles: exactly
Sep 22 16:42:37 <GeneralAntilles> Bleh cellular
Sep 22 16:42:42 <GeneralAntilles> Makes things way too complicated.
Sep 22 16:43:44 <GeneralAntilles> Well, a lot of people should be happy now.
Sep 22 16:43:51 <GeneralAntilles> metalayer-crawler is dying.
Sep 22 16:43:57 <derf> Hooray!
Sep 22 16:44:22 <Knowledge> uh huh, yeah....what's that?
Sep 22 16:44:23 <derf> When can we expect the death knell to be sounded?
Sep 22 16:44:38 <GeneralAntilles> Fremantle
Sep 22 16:44:41 <johnx> derf, as soon as my card finishes indexing
Sep 22 16:44:44 <GeneralAntilles> Tracker is, apparently, replacing it.
Sep 22 16:45:02 <derf> What the gekk is tracker?
Sep 22 16:45:16 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/
Sep 22 16:45:18 <GeneralAntilles> Thing Spotlight
Sep 22 16:45:25 <GeneralAntilles> s/ing/ink/
Sep 22 16:45:31 <Proteous> same thing, they just changed the name
Sep 22 16:45:45 <Proteous> to try to coverup the bad PR
Sep 22 16:45:46 <derf> As long as I can still disable it.
Sep 22 16:45:54 <GeneralAntilles> Though I don't have any clue how their indexing actually works.
Sep 22 16:46:00 <derf> "Magic"
Sep 22 16:46:03 <Knowledge> alright, time for a little chat on HF, see what DX countries I could get, and then a hair cut....later people...
Sep 22 16:47:07 <GeneralAntilles> "Responds in real time to filesystem changes, automaticaly keeping its metadata database up to date."
Sep 22 16:47:47 <derf> That's horrible.
Sep 22 16:47:49 <woglinde> hi
Sep 22 16:48:09 <GeneralAntilles> "Designed and built to run well on lower-memory systems with typically 128MB or 256MB memory. Typical RAM usage is 3-9 MB."
Sep 22 16:48:22 <summatusmentis> why is that horrible?
Sep 22 17:16:55 <crashanddie> is it possible to change the USB mode on a 770?
Sep 22 17:17:03 <crashanddie> (host <-> device)
Sep 22 17:17:15 <johnx> yes, but you need to supply external 5v
Sep 22 17:17:31 <johnx> the mode is changed with a different kernel IIRC
Sep 22 17:17:34 <johnx> not a runtime thing
Sep 22 17:18:29 <Italodance> johnx ...
Sep 22 17:18:46 <johnx> Italodance ...
Sep 22 17:19:20 <Italodance> tell me what was the name of other tool for file manager?
Sep 22 17:19:27 <Italodance> i don't remember it
Sep 22 17:19:55 <johnx> you mean the text editor? nano?
Sep 22 17:20:32 <Italodance> i have emelfm2
Sep 22 17:20:44 <Italodance> but remember there is other tool the same this
Sep 22 17:20:55 <johnx> yeah, it's called "file manager"
Sep 22 17:20:57 <jiiv> maybe pcmanfm or something?
Sep 22 17:20:59 <jiiv> ah.
Sep 22 17:21:31 <johnx> pcmanfm is another option
Sep 22 17:21:37 <johnx> thanks jiiv :)
Sep 22 17:21:45 <Italodance> pcmanfm oh yes tnc guys
Sep 22 17:21:59 <Italodance> :)
Sep 22 17:22:03 <Italodance> :)
Sep 22 17:23:40 <jiiv> np :)
Sep 22 17:25:00 <crashanddie> johnx, cheers
Sep 22 17:25:10 <johnx> :)
Sep 22 17:26:59 <CptLaptop> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15940
Sep 22 17:28:00 <crashanddie> infobot is dead
Sep 22 17:28:01 <crashanddie> sadly
Sep 22 17:28:03 <crashanddie> ~help
Sep 22 17:28:08 * crashanddie strokes infobot
Sep 22 17:28:14 <qwerty12> ~$50
Sep 22 17:28:24 <Italodance> guys is there a full page for OSiM Maemo  photos?
Sep 22 17:28:31 <qwerty12> Damn, and I was looking forward to a good time...
Sep 22 17:28:39 <Italodance> maybe ....flickr
Sep 22 17:29:03 <Stskeeps> hehe
Sep 22 17:29:59 <Italodance> ?
Sep 22 17:30:19 <johnx> Italodance, search flickr for the word "osim"
Sep 22 17:30:55 <Italodance> ok tnx
Sep 22 17:33:54 <jiiv> stskeeps: i'm trying out that new installer now. no problems thus far :)
Sep 22 17:34:05 <Stskeeps> jiiv: oki, what stage are you at? debootstrap?
Sep 22 17:34:42 <johnx> Stskeeps, I'm most of the way through the install
Sep 22 17:34:44 <jiiv> i haven't been paying much attention, looks like it just installed nit-env-lxde.
Sep 22 17:34:45 <johnx> no problems so far
Sep 22 17:34:54 <Stskeeps> oki
Sep 22 17:35:04 <Stskeeps> that's good :P
Sep 22 17:35:09 <jiiv> i'm supposed to be working, so i can't watch it like a hawk right now :)
Sep 22 17:36:19 <Italodance> umm http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008
Sep 22 17:36:19 <Stskeeps> hehe
Sep 22 17:36:37 <Stskeeps> N800 or N810?
Sep 22 17:37:29 <Stskeeps> in the before this installer there was a problem when running on n810s seemingily.. hoping i've fixed it now
Sep 22 17:44:41 <jiiv> oh, i'm on an n810 (if that was directed at me)
Sep 22 17:45:07 <Stskeeps> k
Sep 22 17:48:51 * lcuk smiles
Sep 22 17:49:11 * lcuk actually hasnt stopped smiling all weekend
Sep 22 17:50:10 <GAN800> Somebody spiked his beer.
Sep 22 17:50:14 <solmumaha> spare us from the details
Sep 22 17:52:16 <lcuk> heh GAN800 :)
Sep 22 17:52:51 <lcuk> what happened to you this weekend anyway - you decided to sleep the one time you were needed to be awake
Sep 22 17:53:16 <GAN800> Had freinds up for the weekend
Sep 22 17:53:31 <GAN800> went to the football game Saturday.
Sep 22 17:55:00 <lcuk> ahhhh, you will have to come to the next one :)
Sep 22 17:55:23 <GAN800> Yessir
Sep 22 17:58:09 <lcuk> do we have a wall of real picture faces with names, ive seen so many fantastic people this weekend and im trying to explain to the missus who is who
Sep 22 17:58:32 <lcuk> and also trying to work out whos sending me amazing emails :)
Sep 22 18:02:20 <Stskeeps> oh, -finally- some people start taking some interest in deblet on 770 :P
Sep 22 18:07:22 <RST38bis> arghhh, wired net connection is dead
Sep 22 18:08:46 <GeneralAntilles> "URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL, FROM THE DESK OF EUROMILION"
Sep 22 18:08:48 <GeneralAntilles> I won!
Sep 22 18:09:20 <Stskeeps> hehe, like the nokia lottery spam the other day to me ;)
Sep 22 18:09:25 <RST38bis> only one L though
Sep 22 18:13:31 <GeneralAntilles> 640GB hard drive?
Sep 22 18:13:32 <GeneralAntilles> Odd
Sep 22 18:18:14 <moontiger> do you guys think that the open sourcing of the n8x0 series is a prelude to them dumping it for the next gen of the platform?
Sep 22 18:19:20 <GeneralAntilles> Erm, open sourcing?
Sep 22 18:19:24 <GeneralAntilles> They're opening 2 things.
Sep 22 18:19:36 <GeneralAntilles> They don't know whether Fremantle will work on the OMAP2 stuff ye.t
Sep 22 18:19:39 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: there was 4 things on the list though
Sep 22 18:19:52 <moontiger> it was just a thought
Sep 22 18:19:55 <GeneralAntilles> dsme, and WLAN
Sep 22 18:19:57 <GeneralAntilles> What else?
Sep 22 18:20:24 <Stskeeps> moontiger: in any case that just means it's a good thing to get cracking on reverse engineering stuff and providing opensource replacements
Sep 22 18:20:36 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: some media framework thing (Midas?) and ..
Sep 22 18:20:50 <moontiger> yes totally ... was just wondering if that was how they could dump the platofrm and not piss everyone off
Sep 22 18:21:21 <Stskeeps> i'm sure there's plenty of n8x0 developers who could find a way
Sep 22 18:21:21 <Stskeeps> .P
Sep 22 18:21:48 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, that's for Fremantle.
Sep 22 18:22:04 <Stskeeps> ah
Sep 22 18:22:57 <Stskeeps> moontiger: but hey, atleast we're resurrecting the 770 these days :>
Sep 22 18:36:21 <moontiger> great *rolls eyes*
Sep 22 18:36:25 <moontiger> :)
Sep 22 18:38:30 <pupnik810> what is new for games/emus?
Sep 22 18:38:52 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3735
Sep 22 18:38:54 * GeneralAntilles sighs.
Sep 22 18:38:58 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, pupnik810. :)
Sep 22 18:39:05 <pupnik810> hi
Sep 22 18:39:21 <GeneralAntilles> Uh, RST38h's got some cool new optimizations coming for VGBA that should up the speed by a significant amount.
Sep 22 18:39:30 <pupnik810> yaaaay
Sep 22 18:39:45 <pupnik810> hopefully ncompatibility improvements too
Sep 22 18:39:51 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: that sounds like an instance of maemo summit post-party :P
Sep 22 18:40:06 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Heh, I experience that bug often. And I agree ;)
Sep 22 18:40:45 <pupnik810> GeneralAntilles, is that nfrom
Sep 22 18:40:59 <pupnik810> a post on ITT?
Sep 22 18:41:18 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Sep 22 18:41:23 <GeneralAntilles> I just hate jheather's bugs.
Sep 22 18:41:59 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, feel free to triage it, then.
Sep 22 18:42:20 <jiiv> stskeeps: i just finished the install, but it doesn't seem to have installed bootmenu (or at least it doesn't tell me to push the menu key, and boots straight to maemo). do i need to do anything different?
Sep 22 18:42:21 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: But, but, but .....
Sep 22 18:45:37 <Stskeeps> jiiv: yeah, you need to install bootmenu :P http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/maemo/bootmenu.deb
Sep 22 18:46:03 <Stskeeps> just run the "Install bootmenu" icon and deblet should automatically appear after this install
Sep 22 18:46:12 <Stskeeps>  (it's laying in /etc/bootmenu.d)
Sep 22 18:46:17 <jiiv> yeah, working on it now :)
Sep 22 18:46:31 <jiiv> didn't the installer do it before?
Sep 22 18:47:19 <Stskeeps> no, it just refreshed bootmenu (copy /etc/bootmenu.d contents to initfs)
Sep 22 18:47:25 <Stskeeps> it doesnt need to do a full reflash so
Sep 22 18:47:28 <jiiv> ah, gotcha.
Sep 22 18:47:57 <moontiger> Stskeeps: do you find the n8x0 more useful with say xfce on it? just curious :)
Sep 22 18:48:13 <moontiger> i mean its way cool to have it working
Sep 22 18:48:20 <Stskeeps> moontiger: i use lxde though - i haven't started using it 100% yet personally, there's still some stuff i want to have for myself
Sep 22 18:48:21 <moontiger> but is it more useful than the default maemo?
Sep 22 18:48:44 <moontiger> lxde is nice too ... is that an option for the deblets stuff?
Sep 22 18:48:47 <Stskeeps> yeah
Sep 22 18:48:50 <GeneralAntilles> Depends on the use-case.
Sep 22 18:49:12 <Stskeeps> basically deblet is for giving people the choice to run whatever hell they want :P a nit-env-hildon will appear at some point too prolly
Sep 22 18:49:29 <GeneralAntilles> Maemo is much more complete solution.
Sep 22 18:49:37 <GeneralAntilles> Much better for mobile use at the moment.
Sep 22 18:49:42 <Stskeeps> for consumer use, yes
Sep 22 18:49:44 <jiiv> well, it's maybe a 'much better integrated' solution.
Sep 22 18:49:46 <jiiv> indeed.
Sep 22 18:49:46 <Stskeeps> i don't deny that
Sep 22 18:49:56 <Stskeeps> maemo is awesome for what it's made for
Sep 22 18:50:07 <jiiv> i think debian is arguably more complete, but maemo's much more polished.
Sep 22 18:50:18 <moontiger> yah i love that you are doing the stuff ur doing ... its awesome
Sep 22 18:50:19 <GeneralAntilles> Well, "more useful than default maemo" can't be answered with "yes".
Sep 22 18:50:27 <jiiv> agreed :)
Sep 22 18:50:32 <moontiger> but i use my n810 for specific things that are served well by maemo right now
Sep 22 18:51:12 <Stskeeps> moontiger: i'm mainly developing cos it's fun and out of frustration over some problems in maemo
Sep 22 18:51:19 <pupnik810> hi RST38bis !
Sep 22 18:51:29 <moontiger> right ... i agree that there doesnt have to be a specific reason for things :)
Sep 22 18:51:32 <RST38bis> moo, pupnik
Sep 22 18:51:46 <moontiger> just learning is enough
Sep 22 18:51:56 <moontiger> if it makes a useful product too then thats a bonus
Sep 22 18:52:18 * Stskeeps is really just happy if he has a machine with a mp3 player + a2dp, xournal that automatically rsyncs to his work server and exports to onenote and a rss reader
Sep 22 18:52:21 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 22 18:52:38 <moontiger> a2dp on lxde?
Sep 22 18:52:45 <RST38bis> negative on a2dp...
Sep 22 18:52:58 <Stskeeps> (that was my wish machine)
Sep 22 18:53:05 <moontiger> ahhh
Sep 22 18:53:47 <moontiger> i use gps mapping stuff + fbreader + vids + music + web + email + skype + ssh + vnc
Sep 22 18:53:51 <moontiger> awesome really
Sep 22 18:54:02 * RST38bis just wants latest xournal
Sep 22 18:54:29 <Stskeeps> xournal has saved a lot of trees for me
Sep 22 18:54:39 <Stskeeps> i practically stopped using paper besides postits and books
Sep 22 18:55:17 <RST38bis> what do you use books for? =)
Sep 22 18:55:20 <moontiger> the latest version crashed on me
Sep 22 18:55:23 <Stskeeps> i study :/
Sep 22 18:55:35 <Stskeeps> and yes, i read pdfs on my tablet often
Sep 22 18:56:09 <moontiger> i actually donated some $$ to the fbreader guys ... i think that app rocks
Sep 22 18:56:10 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: re 3735, i actually agree
Sep 22 18:56:38 <timelyx> i don't think i've ever managed to plug my crying device into the charger between its last cry and when it dies
Sep 22 18:57:17 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, I've experienced it giving a warning and lasting for another hour, though.
Sep 22 18:57:25 <GeneralAntilles> So my own personal experience has led me to believe that it might not be all that easy to pin down.
Sep 22 19:00:09 * lcuk shakes his fist at timelyx @/
Sep 22 19:00:11 <Stskeeps> but in all, my biggest issue is that the tablet isn't a device i can open up, inspect how it works (in software), alter to my user need easily (easy as in documentation for all aspects of tablet use exists, is reachable easily and programmable easily
Sep 22 19:00:34 <Stskeeps> even though there's probably good reasons for some of them
Sep 22 19:01:21 <moontiger> mostly legal reasons i would imagine
Sep 22 19:01:29 <Stskeeps> but then again, i'm a bit of a pervasive/ubiquitous computing person :P
Sep 22 19:03:21 <pupnik810> i want eyeglasses display for tablet
Sep 22 19:03:36 <pupnik810> and a kbd that clips onto belt
Sep 22 19:03:47 <jiiv> i'd like to find an eyeglasses display that didn't cost 3x what the tablet did :/
Sep 22 19:04:28 <Stskeeps> mm, augmented reality
Sep 22 19:07:31 <RST38bis> eyeglasses are damn impractical
Sep 22 19:08:04 <RST38bis> not that hard to get now but impractical
Sep 22 19:08:30 <Stskeeps> i'd take a brain implant
Sep 22 19:08:31 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 22 19:08:46 <pupnik810> ttyl
Sep 22 19:10:46 <GeneralAntilles> jott, what's the word on the bot?
Sep 22 19:35:59 <jott> GeneralAntilles: it's being worked on :)
Sep 22 19:36:08 <Stskeeps> jiiv: worked?
Sep 22 19:36:11 <timelyx> lcuk: why?
Sep 22 19:36:15 <jiiv> ... kinda ;)
Sep 22 19:36:28 <jiiv> i'm half looking at it now, but work's interfering. may just be the bootmenu.d .item file.
Sep 22 19:36:33 <lcuk> stressing liqbase :P
Sep 22 19:36:38 <Stskeeps> jiiv: k
Sep 22 19:36:48 * timelyx frowns
Sep 22 19:36:50 <timelyx> that's odd
Sep 22 19:36:55 * timelyx didn't think that word was public
Sep 22 19:37:15 <lcuk> which word?
Sep 22 19:37:22 <timelyx> i couldn't say :)
Sep 22 19:37:35 <lcuk> then say it privately :)
Sep 22 19:42:02 <jaredu-n810> yo
Sep 22 19:42:47 <jaredu-n810> whats up all
Sep 22 19:43:13 <lcuk> hi, nothings up
Sep 22 19:43:17 <lcuk> everyone is happy
Sep 22 19:43:22 <lcuk> and productive
Sep 22 19:43:24 <jaredu-n810> thats rare
Sep 22 19:43:26 <jaredu-n810> lol
Sep 22 19:43:27 <lcuk> and hungover
Sep 22 19:43:31 <jaredu-n810> oh
Sep 22 19:43:43 <jaredu-n810> well that explains it
Sep 22 19:43:44 <jaredu-n810> lol
Sep 22 19:43:47 <lcuk> lol
Sep 22 19:43:56 <jiiv> stskeeps: the graphical boot should start pretty quickly after 'pivot root and starting /sbin/init..', right?
Sep 22 19:44:01 <jaredu-n810> hmm
Sep 22 19:44:45 <jaredu-n810> i need some good apps for $810
Sep 22 19:44:50 <jaredu-n810> n*
Sep 22 19:45:21 <jiiv> my most-used are openssh-client, vncviewer, pidgin, and maemo-mapper.
Sep 22 19:45:35 <GeneralAntilles> ~musthaves
Sep 22 19:45:44 <GeneralAntilles> infobot?
Sep 22 19:45:47 <GeneralAntilles> ~must-haves
Sep 22 19:45:50 <jaredu-n810> i has tghose o.o
Sep 22 19:45:54 <jiiv> i think infobot died.
Sep 22 19:45:54 <GeneralAntilles> ~botsnack
Sep 22 19:45:59 <jaredu-n810> maemo mapper doesnt work though
Sep 22 19:46:07 <jiiv> what doesn't it do?
Sep 22 19:46:09 <GeneralAntilles> ~bot-cpr
Sep 22 19:46:15 <jaredu-n810> cant read gps file
Sep 22 19:46:18 <GeneralAntilles> jaredu-n810, it works fine.
Sep 22 19:46:20 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: there are actually a couple of woarnings, not just one
Sep 22 19:46:23 <timelyx> s/woar/war/
Sep 22 19:46:25 <GeneralAntilles> You have to use it correctly.
Sep 22 19:46:30 <jiiv> heh
Sep 22 19:46:30 <jaredu-n810> doesnt for me :(
Sep 22 19:46:33 <jaredu-n810> i tried
Sep 22 19:46:43 <jaredu-n810> and set the reciever to bluetooth too
Sep 22 19:46:45 <jiiv> is it set to bluetooth or gpsd?
Sep 22 19:46:46 <GeneralAntilles> Bluetooth no MAC
Sep 22 19:46:48 <||cw> define doesn't work...
Sep 22 19:46:48 <jiiv> oh.
Sep 22 19:47:01 <jaredu-n810> i left it for 30 mins and never got a fix
Sep 22 19:47:11 <jaredu-n810> its on bt no mac
Sep 22 19:47:22 <GeneralAntilles> That's the N810, not Maemo Mapper.
Sep 22 19:47:30 <jaredu-n810> ?
Sep 22 19:47:37 <||cw> maemo-mapper has a habit of getting me banned from google maps, then I have to open an image directly and follow some intructions to prove I am human
Sep 22 19:48:07 <jaredu-n810> hmm
Sep 22 19:48:08 <lcuk> ||cw i fail those turing tests
Sep 22 19:48:21 <jaredu-n810> my settings are right
Sep 22 19:48:29 <jaredu-n810> it just never gets a lock
Sep 22 19:48:41 <jaredu-n810> i got agps too
Sep 22 19:48:48 <||cw> be nice if it had an "insert random delay to act human" feature when downloading an area
Sep 22 19:48:56 <aladds_> Stskeeps: does deblet generate a new MAC for the USB ethernet thingy on each boot?
Sep 22 19:49:38 <jaredu-n810> what to do...
Sep 22 19:49:48 <jaredu-n810> any other must-haves?
Sep 22 19:49:59 <jaredu-n810> i got like 3 hours till my next class
Sep 22 19:50:05 <jaredu-n810> and im bored lol
Sep 22 19:50:12 <aladds> learn C :P
Sep 22 19:50:19 * lcuk curses how many batteries my camera goes through
Sep 22 19:50:24 <jaredu-n810> i got mypaint but its slow :(
Sep 22 19:50:33 <jaredu-n810> btw anyone got gizmo?
Sep 22 19:50:59 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, new camera time.
Sep 22 19:51:33 <GeneralAntilles> Either that, or pick up a pack or two of those Sanyo eneloops.
Sep 22 19:51:45 <lcuk> i went through 12 AAs before the summit trying to make a video of liqbase - in the end the craptop failed first - thankfully there was a full projector
Sep 22 19:51:51 <lcuk> now i need to make another video
Sep 22 19:51:55 <windstorm> HI, anyone met problem about ssh before? I upgrate my OS to the newest, install the rootsh and ssh client and server, without any other action, and I can ssh other machines by my N810 but can not use other machine to ssh my N810
Sep 22 19:52:31 <windstorm> also get the same result by ping
Sep 22 19:52:39 <GeneralAntilles> WiFi PSM?
Sep 22 19:52:44 <windstorm> wifi
Sep 22 19:52:49 <GeneralAntilles> Try initiating a connection somewhere from the N810 then ssh into it?
Sep 22 19:52:55 <lcuk> windstorm, check router/firewall configuration, you may have an odd setting lingering somewhere which is blocking a specific port?
Sep 22 19:53:03 <windstorm> I can not ssh my N810 also by usb connection
Sep 22 19:53:19 <GeneralAntilles> Uh
Sep 22 19:53:23 <GeneralAntilles> "Connection refused"?
Sep 22 19:53:37 <windstorm> no, just no response
Sep 22 19:53:55 <windstorm> I followed exactly the same instruction the document told me to do
Sep 22 19:54:14 <windstorm> Now I can not ping N810 whatever method I use......
Sep 22 19:54:17 <lcuk> ok, forget ssh then - if you cannot even ping your machine keep it simple and work out what systems are in the way
Sep 22 19:54:34 <lcuk> whats the host os you are trying from
Sep 22 19:54:38 <windstorm> yeah, I reflash the system, and the same result
Sep 22 19:54:45 <GeneralAntilles> Sure you have the right IP?
Sep 22 19:54:47 <lcuk> im not talking about your nokia
Sep 22 19:54:59 <lcuk> thats normally fine out of the box i believe for ping
Sep 22 19:55:06 <lcuk> im talking about your windows 98 box
Sep 22 19:55:13 <windstorm> 98?
Sep 22 19:55:22 <windstorm> you mean my linux machine?
Sep 22 19:55:22 <lcuk> oh, you still on 95? :P
Sep 22 19:55:33 * lcuk is yanking your chain
Sep 22 19:55:46 <lcuk> and you have a router inbetween?
Sep 22 19:56:03 <windstorm> no, I mean, the ip address should be right, since I ssh my server machine by N810 and check the ip by "netstat"
Sep 22 19:56:17 <windstorm> the router is belong to my uni
Sep 22 19:56:25 <lcuk> my ubuntu craptop fails at wireless - it works great if it is setup when i boot up, but if i fiddle it wont reconnect
Sep 22 19:57:21 <windstorm> There is a router between N810 and server, but I don't think it's because of it since I can ssh my N810 from my server
Sep 22 19:57:28 <aladds> anyone here know how the deblet usb-ethernet driver works?
Sep 22 19:58:16 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, how's the outlook looking for the website this week?
Sep 22 19:58:17 <lcuk> so hang on, your n810 can act as client and server perfectly ok between itself and another server, but from one machine elsewhere it wont connect?
Sep 22 19:59:19 <windstorm> no, it can not act as server
Sep 22 19:59:25 <windstorm> just client
Sep 22 19:59:28 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, it will all go up together with a version of liqbase
Sep 22 20:00:05 <lcuk> in a very few days i need a small rest and gathering of thoughts first (and some time with missus)
Sep 22 20:00:18 <zap> windstorm: you can ssh *into* your n810?
Sep 22 20:00:24 <windstorm> but I installed the server and also client
Sep 22 20:00:36 <windstorm> no zap, I can ssh my server, but I can not ssh my N810
Sep 22 20:00:37 <windstorm> also ping
Sep 22 20:00:46 <zap> thats a known feature of n810
Sep 22 20:00:54 <zap> it will switch to power-saving state quickly
Sep 22 20:00:55 <Stskeeps> aladds: possibly
Sep 22 20:01:01 <Stskeeps> aladds: that's a kernel thing though
Sep 22 20:01:02 <aladds> Stskeeps: it does
Sep 22 20:01:05 <zap> to avoid that, launch a ping from your server to your n810
Sep 22 20:01:10 <aladds> any way to make it static
Sep 22 20:01:11 <aladds> ?
Sep 22 20:01:13 <Stskeeps> jiiv: aye
Sep 22 20:01:13 <zap> windstorm: and then open some web page
Sep 22 20:01:23 <windstorm> open web page on N810?
Sep 22 20:01:27 <zap> yes
Sep 22 20:01:28 <windstorm> to keep the connection?
Sep 22 20:01:35 <zap> to power up WiFi on N810
Sep 22 20:01:46 <zap> then it won't go down because the ping will keep it up
Sep 22 20:01:53 <windstorm> I will try right now, thanks in advance
Sep 22 20:02:00 <zap> also you may want to change the power saving options in wifi settings
Sep 22 20:02:11 <zap> by default it's in a very aggressive state
Sep 22 20:02:45 <windstorm> by default the wlan idle time is unlimited
Sep 22 20:02:48 <aladds> Stskeeps: kernel? oh shame
Sep 22 20:02:51 <Dotel> gika
Sep 22 20:02:54 <Dotel> hola
Sep 22 20:02:58 <windstorm> serch interval is 10 minutes
Sep 22 20:03:03 <windstorm> you mean this?
Sep 22 20:04:03 <GeneralAntilles> ~psm
Sep 22 20:04:12 <GeneralAntilles> Bleh
Sep 22 20:04:13 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)
Sep 22 20:04:38 <windstorm> thx, I am gonna look at it
Sep 22 20:04:39 <Stskeeps> jiiv: doesn't show anything?
Sep 22 20:05:04 <korgoth> io guys
Sep 22 20:05:47 <korgoth> can anyone tell me if there is a way to tune the keyboard light on the n810
Sep 22 20:07:41 <jaredu-n810> dunno
Sep 22 20:07:54 <jaredu-n810> i think its all off the ambient ligbht sensor
Sep 22 20:08:48 <korgoth> well.. im now in a pure dark room
Sep 22 20:09:04 <korgoth> and yet my kbd light switches off in a while...
Sep 22 20:09:17 <jiiv> stskeeps: when i try with an .item pointing to mmcblk0 it just reboots, when i do it with mmcblk1 it stops at the pivot root. had to pull the battery to reboot.
Sep 22 20:09:47 <jiiv> or...vice versa, actually.
Sep 22 20:09:58 <jaredu-n810> well
Sep 22 20:10:06 <jaredu-n810> its power savish
Sep 22 20:10:27 <windstorm> hi zap, it doesn't make sense
Sep 22 20:10:36 <windstorm> although I modified the configuration
Sep 22 20:11:07 <Dotel> If I install the 2007-hacker release on my 770, do I pull from 2007 repositories, or can I also pull from 2006?
Sep 22 20:11:26 <Stskeeps> jiiv: hmm. can i see the .item?
Sep 22 20:11:45 <GeneralAntilles> Dotel, 2007
Sep 22 20:11:50 <jiiv> um...sure, just a sec. let me see if i have ssh on it :)
Sep 22 20:12:28 <Dotel> GeneralAntilles, ok, was wondering, because I was lacking Ncurses lib. only found it on the 2006 library.  Solved my problem.  but made me wonder
Sep 22 20:14:57 <korgoth> win 2
Sep 22 20:14:59 <korgoth> ops
Sep 22 20:15:41 <jiiv> stskeeps:ITEM_NAME="Deblet on mmcblk1p1"
Sep 22 20:15:41 <jiiv> ITEM_ID="deblet-mmcblk1p1"
Sep 22 20:15:41 <jiiv> ITEM_DEVICE="mmcblk1p1"
Sep 22 20:15:41 <jiiv> ITEM_MODULES="mbcache jbd ext3"
Sep 22 20:15:41 <jiiv> ITEM_FSTYPE="ext3"
Sep 22 20:15:41 <jiiv> ITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro"
Sep 22 20:15:43 <jiiv> ITEM_LINUXRC="linuxrc"
Sep 22 20:16:01 <jiiv> the other one is the same, :%s/mmcblk1/mmcblk0/
Sep 22 20:16:13 <Stskeeps> eh, my installer made that one?
Sep 22 20:16:31 <jiiv> wait, i have 3. let me look at the other :) it says internal, so i figured it was bad.
Sep 22 20:16:53 <jiiv> ITEM_NAME="Deblet on Internal-MMC-p1"
Sep 22 20:16:53 <jiiv> ITEM_ID="deblet-Internal-MMC-p1"
Sep 22 20:16:53 <jiiv> ITEM_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p1"
Sep 22 20:16:53 <jiiv> ITEM_MODULES="mbcache jbd ext3"
Sep 22 20:16:53 <jiiv> ITEM_FSTYPE="ext3"
Sep 22 20:16:53 <jiiv> ITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro"
Sep 22 20:16:55 <jiiv> ITEM_LINUXRC="linuxrc"
Sep 22 20:17:13 <GeneralAntilles> pastebin
Sep 22 20:17:18 <Stskeeps> yeah, what GA said :P
Sep 22 20:18:01 <Stskeeps> jiiv: and you made a fresh ext3 system on it on install?
Sep 22 20:18:08 <jiiv> yes.
Sep 22 20:18:18 <jiiv> cfdisked and everything.
Sep 22 20:19:02 <Stskeeps> well the Internal-MMC one is the one my installer made
Sep 22 20:19:15 <Stskeeps> as at the time of install, the partition you selected was the internal card :P
Sep 22 20:20:39 <jiiv> :/ i chose mmcblk1, and it was definitely the right card. 4g.
Sep 22 20:20:52 <Stskeeps> mmk
Sep 22 20:21:12 <Stskeeps> maybe there's a bug in fanoush's script for that or something (what i use to figure it out)
Sep 22 20:21:44 <Stskeeps> jiiv: you have a machine that's usbnet capable?
Sep 22 20:22:19 <jiiv> stskeeps: yes, this one is. what should i check?
Sep 22 20:22:49 <Stskeeps> jiiv: set ip 192.168.2.1 on the machine and telnet to 192.168.2.2 (see if it connects when it stands at the pivot root thing)
Sep 22 20:24:05 <jaredu-n810> anyone know where i can get an snes emulator for n810?
Sep 22 20:24:28 <zap> windstorm: you can't get to ping your NIT?
Sep 22 20:24:45 <windstorm> yeah......
Sep 22 20:25:01 <windstorm> I did the modification
Sep 22 20:25:04 <jaredu-n810> anyone?
Sep 22 20:25:09 <windstorm> to turn off the psm
Sep 22 20:25:27 <zap> you know the ip address of your nit?
Sep 22 20:25:34 <windstorm> yeah
Sep 22 20:25:43 <windstorm> I use my 810 to ssh my hot machine
Sep 22 20:25:43 <zap> ping from pc to nit times out?
Sep 22 20:25:52 <windstorm> y
Sep 22 20:26:03 <windstorm> just no response
Sep 22 20:26:11 <zap> are you on windows?
Sep 22 20:26:16 <windstorm> No
Sep 22 20:26:17 <windstorm> Linux
Sep 22 20:26:20 <windstorm> ubuntu
Sep 22 20:26:23 <zap> ah ok, then leave ping running
Sep 22 20:26:28 <zap> and open some web page
Sep 22 20:26:33 <zap> you must see the ping going on
Sep 22 20:27:29 <windstorm> no......
Sep 22 20:27:36 <windstorm> I opened the wiki
Sep 22 20:27:47 <zap> and the ping isn't going?
Sep 22 20:27:51 <windstorm> but nothing happened
Sep 22 20:27:55 <windstorm> not going
Sep 22 20:27:59 <zap> in this case it's your wifi router
Sep 22 20:28:07 <zap> it's protecting your NIT from connects
Sep 22 20:28:58 <windstorm> Let me see. BTW, if I also can not ssh my 810 by usb connect, what's the most probably reason?
Sep 22 20:29:32 <zap> no idea. it works fine from me, both wifi and usb
Sep 22 20:30:17 <zap> iirc my router has a option to put the wifi clients in a separate private network
Sep 22 20:30:31 <summatusmentis> I need fremantle
Sep 22 20:30:34 <zap> in which case a wifi client won't be able to reach any local machine, and vice versa
Sep 22 20:30:53 <windstorm> it should be my case, since the router is belong to university and they manage them
Sep 22 20:31:08 <Stskeeps> summatusmentis: heh, that's an early need for  something we don't know exactly what is yet ;)
Sep 22 20:31:12 <windstorm> but it makes no sense when it comes to usb connection
Sep 22 20:31:39 <windstorm> and I can reach my 810 via server machine, which is not connected to wifi
Sep 22 20:31:46 <windstorm> no
Sep 22 20:31:48 <windstorm> sorry
Sep 22 20:31:57 <windstorm> I mean reach my server via 810
Sep 22 20:32:48 <summatusmentis> Stskeeps: it's gonna have kinetic scrolling, so either liqbase needs to incorporate a browser, or I need fremantle :)
Sep 22 20:34:41 <Stskeeps> jiiv: if it fails i'll try it on a n810 at work probably and see if i can see wtf happens :P
Sep 22 20:34:45 <jaredu-n810> anyone know of a snes emu for n810
Sep 22 20:35:33 <jiiv> stskeeps: i'll keep messing with it. it looks like it's not setting up usb that early ...
Sep 22 20:35:50 <Stskeeps> jiiv: hmm, bad sign
Sep 22 20:35:54 <lcuk> ive wanted a browser for a long time
Sep 22 20:35:57 <Stskeeps> it's the fourth-most thing it does
Sep 22 20:36:09 <zap> windstorm: well, then connect it via usb and try to ping it
Sep 22 20:36:19 <lcuk> summatusmentis, ^
Sep 22 20:36:59 <summatusmentis> lcuk: well, then hurry up!
Sep 22 20:37:01 <summatusmentis> :)
Sep 22 20:37:16 <summatusmentis> I'd offer to help, but I have no time
Sep 22 20:37:22 <lcuk> i dont know anything like webkit and i dont want to spend time learning to be bogged down
Sep 22 20:37:53 <summatusmentis> could you just modify the scrolling in a current browser, and call it good?
Sep 22 20:38:03 <lcuk> i wrote a html parser but ran out of time myself to finish it off and get live web (thats why we had a picture of the webpage at the summit)
Sep 22 20:38:51 <lcuk> i couldnt, i dont know the first thing about that browser or its peculiarities - it expects to click and browse its not just a drop in thing (the kinetic algo is about 3 lines)
Sep 22 20:40:45 <windstorm> it indicates me that "run-parts"/etc/network/if-up.d/00_proxy_set exit with return code 1"
Sep 22 20:41:01 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, tablet-browser-ui is closed for a stupid reason.
Sep 22 20:41:23 <windstorm> when I do "ifup usb0"
Sep 22 20:41:49 <RST38bis> tablet-browser-ui is an empty shell.
Sep 22 20:43:00 <jaredu-n810> blah
Sep 22 20:44:44 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: do we know what the reason is? or it's just closed, therefore stupid?
Sep 22 20:45:08 <GeneralAntilles> Well, Nokia hasn't announced it outright
Sep 22 20:45:15 <GeneralAntilles> but the same stupid reason the rest of their UI stuff is closed.
Sep 22 20:45:18 <GeneralAntilles> "differentiation"
Sep 22 20:45:44 <Stskeeps> how difficult can it be to make a shell around a gecko engine that acts like microb, really?
Sep 22 20:45:56 <Stskeeps> it can probably be hacked up by gtkmozembed in python in an hour
Sep 22 20:46:12 <GeneralAntilles> Just replace tablet-browser-ui with a community version.
Sep 22 20:46:15 <GeneralAntilles> Use MicroB
Sep 22 20:46:19 <GeneralAntilles> MicroB is the engine.
Sep 22 20:46:27 <Stskeeps> .. or microb
Sep 22 20:46:34 <GeneralAntilles> There's no "replacing" it. :P Just use it.
Sep 22 20:47:01 <windstorm> Anyone know the problem about ""run-parts"/etc/network/if-up.d/00_proxy_set exit with return code 1" when execute "ifup usb0""
Sep 22 20:50:39 <GeneralAntilles> lardman|gone, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto
Sep 22 20:56:32 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: hm, that's actually interesting - they beagleboard specific or would work on let's say, tablets?
Sep 22 20:56:51 <GeneralAntilles> It'll work on pretty much anything OMAP3 with a DSP.
Sep 22 20:57:17 <GeneralAntilles> So, OMAP3420-40 and OMAP3515 and OMAP3530.
Sep 22 20:57:17 <Stskeeps> arh, so no omap2 :P
Sep 22 20:57:20 <GeneralAntilles> No
Sep 22 20:57:24 <GeneralAntilles> Different DSP
Sep 22 20:57:34 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Sep 22 20:58:58 <Stskeeps> will keep those files in mind though when i get a beagleboard at work though
Sep 22 21:17:02 <zap> shhh*
Sep 22 21:17:19 <zap> is there a way to exit a infinite-boot-loop on maemo?
Sep 22 21:17:33 <Mek> pull the battery? :P
Sep 22 21:17:49 <zap> it will reboot as soon as the desktop appears
Sep 22 21:17:58 <zap> thanks to a hint on bugzilla :-\
Sep 22 21:18:46 <zap> looks like its finally time to roll my own COM wire
Sep 22 21:19:15 <zap> anybody has positive experience with making a COM wire for n8x0?
Sep 22 21:19:47 <GeneralAntilles> Disable the lifeguard
Sep 22 21:19:51 <GeneralAntilles> What's the last thing you did?
Sep 22 21:20:15 <zap> added the line  'allow-hotplug usb0' to /etc/network/interfaces
Sep 22 21:20:43 <zap> and rebooted :)
Sep 22 21:23:35 <Stskeeps> zap: sounds like reflash is still possible though
Sep 22 21:24:26 <zap> sure it is
Sep 22 21:24:30 <GeneralAntilles> zap, you have bootmenu installed?
Sep 22 21:24:30 <zap> but I would hate it
Sep 22 21:24:34 <zap> nope :-(
Sep 22 21:24:46 <zap> always found better things to do than to install that :-(
Sep 22 21:25:00 <GeneralAntilles> Get somebody to give you a jffs2 image
Sep 22 21:25:02 <GeneralAntilles> and flash it
Sep 22 21:25:06 <GeneralAntilles> then usbnet and fix it
Sep 22 21:25:14 <GeneralAntilles> or disable the lifeguard with flasher
Sep 22 21:25:27 <GeneralAntilles> and hope you have sshd installed and autoconnect on.
Sep 22 21:25:40 <zap> aha, got it
Sep 22 21:25:47 <zap> you mean a initrd jffs2 image
Sep 22 21:29:26 <crashanddie> I'm tempted to send my nearly Linux-only CV to Microsoft
Sep 22 21:29:28 <crashanddie> just for s&g
Sep 22 21:30:51 <GeneralAntilles> I'm sure they have a Linux division.
Sep 22 21:31:06 * Stskeeps caches google maps for dublin on his tablet as he's going there wednesday
Sep 22 21:32:37 <zap> GeneralAntilles: they submit crap patches to Linus?
Sep 22 21:33:06 <crashanddie> zap, they already use 90% of their time writing those for Windows
Sep 22 21:33:27 <zap> crashanddie: but m$ linux division, what it does?
Sep 22 21:33:43 <crashanddie> answer the phone
Sep 22 21:34:18 <zap> to people with their linux-only CV?
Sep 22 21:34:45 <crashanddie> "Hey, Chris, it's Bill" "Oh, hi again Bill" "Yeah, I just thought about this amazing idea for Longhorn... Imagine a 3D desktop, like a cube" "Sorry mate, Linux has had it for a few years" "Yeah I know, just saw it on YouTube, that's the whole point"
Sep 22 21:34:48 <zap> they already have a FAQ on their site, "how to remove Linux before installing windows"
Sep 22 21:35:14 <zap> what more a windows user needs ;)
Sep 22 21:35:46 <crashanddie> earlier today in the phone repair shop, I explained my problem with the NIT
Sep 22 21:36:05 <crashanddie> And I said "well, I'm pretty sure it's just the connector to the screen module that's come loose"
Sep 22 21:36:26 * Dotel does the dance of happyness
Sep 22 21:36:49 <crashanddie> And the guy said "Yeah but you know, on the motherboard, there's resistors, very small tiny resistors, and if they come loose, there's a lot of signals that can't go through anymore, which is why maybe your screen doesn't work anymore"
Sep 22 21:37:11 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Sep 22 21:37:17 <GeneralAntilles> Did you slap him?
Sep 22 21:37:32 <moontiger> crashanddie: you want to work as MS?
Sep 22 21:37:37 <moontiger> as = at
Sep 22 21:37:37 <crashanddie> FUCK NO
Sep 22 21:37:41 <moontiger> oh ok
Sep 22 21:37:45 <crashanddie> wait
Sep 22 21:37:48 <crashanddie> you have a job offer?
Sep 22 21:37:56 <GeneralAntilles> Ahaha
Sep 22 21:38:04 <moontiger> me? hell no
Sep 22 21:38:14 <crashanddie> oh, well, then FUCK NO
Sep 22 21:38:14 <moontiger> but if you want to work there i can get you in the door
Sep 22 21:38:18 <crashanddie> oh
Sep 22 21:38:19 <crashanddie> wait
Sep 22 21:38:33 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Sep 22 21:38:34 * crashanddie slaps himself for writing too fast
Sep 22 21:39:00 <crashanddie> moontiger, whatever pays the bills I guess, you know if they have a dev division in London?
Sep 22 21:39:20 <moontiger> not sure about that ... what sort of coding you want to do there?
Sep 22 21:39:37 <Dotel> has anyone compared the opera and mosilla engines, is it worth the effort to get the new opera on 2007 HE?
Sep 22 21:40:03 <crashanddie> moontiger, I'm just good with C++, I just graduated, so anything to get me started really
Sep 22 21:40:25 <moontiger> you like craphics coding? 3d and such?
Sep 22 21:40:37 <GeneralAntilles> Dotel, Opera sux.
Sep 22 21:40:38 <moontiger> graphics too
Sep 22 21:40:40 <moontiger> :)
Sep 22 21:41:06 <crashanddie> moontiger, I played around with SDL very quickly, it's far from what I've done the most, honestly, but it is something I would consider, yes indeed
Sep 22 21:41:41 <moontiger> well i have a *very* good friend who heads up the 3d stuff there and always asks me to send him resumes of people who want to do that stuff
Sep 22 21:41:50 <moontiger> if ur good he can make things happen
Sep 22 21:42:04 <moontiger> but he is in seattle and i dont know if they have that stuff outside of there
Sep 22 21:42:21 <crashanddie> well... If he's willing to pay for relocation :D
Sep 22 21:42:23 * Dotel cant wait till his 1gb MMC comes in mail
Sep 22 21:42:40 <crashanddie> Dotel, I have a 16Gig microsd arriving :P
Sep 22 21:43:36 <moontiger> crashanddie: they will pay for all that if ur good enough
Sep 22 21:43:54 <moontiger> i dont get anything btw from sending ur resume but if he gets u in i think he gets a bonus
Sep 22 21:43:57 <Dotel> crashanddie, unfortunatly that won't fit in my 770
Sep 22 21:44:08 <crashanddie> Dotel, no, but it'll fit in my n810
Sep 22 21:44:09 <Dotel> I have a 16gb HDSD in my Eee tho
Sep 22 21:44:19 <crashanddie> HDSD?
Sep 22 21:44:23 <crashanddie> SDHC I take it?
Sep 22 21:44:28 <Dotel> yeah
Sep 22 21:44:32 <Dotel> those thingys
Sep 22 21:44:35 <moontiger> crashanddie: you have 16gb micro-sd??
Sep 22 21:44:44 <moontiger> damn i only have 8gb :|
Sep 22 21:45:05 <crashanddie> I don't have it yet
Sep 22 21:45:06 <Dotel> my 64mb MMC in my 770, doesn't quite cut it.
Sep 22 21:45:10 <||cw> Eee takes full SD
Sep 22 21:45:21 <crashanddie> ||cw, so?
Sep 22 21:45:22 <Dotel> yeah
Sep 22 21:45:29 <Dotel> I really like my Eee
Sep 22 21:45:46 <crashanddie> SDHC == any SD form factor but 4gig+
Sep 22 21:46:00 <moontiger> crashanddie: isnt it 2+ gb?
Sep 22 21:46:08 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Sep 22 21:46:17 <GeneralAntilles> But not including 2GB. :P
Sep 22 21:46:24 <GeneralAntilles> 4GB SD is a hack
Sep 22 21:46:26 <Dotel> I've never seen a 3gb sd
Sep 22 21:46:33 <GeneralAntilles> 2GB is SD
Sep 22 21:46:38 <crashanddie> I thought it was up to 2gig = SD, and 4+ gig == sdhc
Sep 22 21:46:39 <GeneralAntilles> 4GB can be either SD or SDHC
Sep 22 21:46:45 <moontiger> 2gb+ == sdhc no?
Sep 22 21:46:54 <crashanddie> lots of confusion in the air :D
Sep 22 21:46:56 <GeneralAntilles> 2GB and 4GB can be SD.
Sep 22 21:47:00 <Dotel> a 3gb SD would be a sdhc if they existed
Sep 22 21:47:03 * moontiger makes notes
Sep 22 21:47:05 <Dotel> oh
Sep 22 21:47:08 <GeneralAntilles> The SD specification only says up to 2GB, though.
Sep 22 21:47:12 <Dotel> ahhh
Sep 22 21:47:20 <GeneralAntilles> 4GB comes in both flavors.
Sep 22 21:47:26 <Dotel> gotcha
Sep 22 21:47:37 * Dotel licks his SD card to verify type
Sep 22 21:47:41 <crashanddie> moontiger, new 16Gig microsd starts shipping in a few hours
Sep 22 21:49:41 <moontiger> crashanddie: how much are they?
Sep 22 21:49:48 <crashanddie> about 50 quid shipped
Sep 22 21:49:59 <crashanddie> that's almost a hundred bucks for you yanks
Sep 22 21:50:01 <moontiger> damn!!!  *goes to check on amazon*
Sep 22 21:50:07 <moontiger> im english actually
Sep 22 21:50:11 <moontiger> but living stateside
Sep 22 21:50:19 <moontiger> until december
Sep 22 21:50:23 <crashanddie> Yank by assimilation then
Sep 22 21:50:27 <moontiger> hahaha
Sep 22 21:50:35 <moontiger> not really ... saffer by assimilation
Sep 22 21:50:59 <crashanddie> moontiger, mind you, I'm not english :P
Sep 22 21:51:37 <moontiger> where u from crashanddie
Sep 22 21:51:38 <moontiger> ?
Sep 22 21:51:48 <crashanddie> mainland europe
Sep 22 21:51:57 <moontiger> nice ... im moving to madrid in december
Sep 22 21:52:19 <Dotel> ohhh
Sep 22 21:52:29 <crashanddie> moontiger, nice, what for, work?
Sep 22 21:52:41 <moontiger> not really ... change of scenery ... work will come
Sep 22 21:52:42 <Dotel> lol - When using MMC for virtual memory, DON'T REMOVE IT
Sep 22 21:52:42 <moontiger> :)
Sep 22 21:52:51 * Dotel smacks his forhead
Sep 22 21:52:57 <moontiger> Dotel: lol
Sep 22 21:53:58 <Dotel> I did that on a server, I had a Mirror on LVM,  I never noticed the Swap never made it to the LVM.  Yanked the drive. And  My life instantly got complicated
Sep 22 21:54:09 <moontiger> hahaha
Sep 22 21:54:42 <Mousey> instant complication
Sep 22 21:54:48 * Mousey takes notes
Sep 22 21:55:37 <Dotel> yeah
Sep 22 22:06:31 <nikosapi> Is there a simple way for an application to detect if it's running on maemo? (besides /etc/issue)
Sep 22 22:09:38 <zap> an application to detect itself?
Sep 22 22:09:44 <zap> or a script to detect an application?
Sep 22 22:09:58 <zap> or a gtk program to detect other app?
Sep 22 22:10:08 <zap> it all depends on what API you can use
Sep 22 22:10:14 <GeneralAntilles> For an application to figure out of it is running on Maemo.
Sep 22 22:10:25 <zap> ah
Sep 22 22:10:31 <nikosapi> I'm working on a cross-platform application (in python)
Sep 22 22:10:32 <zap> check some env vars?
Sep 22 22:11:16 <nikosapi> I'd like a reliable way to check whether it's running on maemo that way I can take advantange of all the nice things in the hildon module
Sep 22 22:11:29 <zap> try: import hildon ?
Sep 22 22:11:35 <lmoura> nikosapi, you can try: import hildon
Sep 22 22:11:43 <zap> hehe, I was 1st :)
Sep 22 22:11:55 <nikosapi> you can have the hildon module on a non-maemo distro...
Sep 22 22:12:10 <zap> so what? don't you want to use the nice hildon features there too? :)
Sep 22 22:12:16 <nikosapi> hehe
Sep 22 22:12:18 <windstorm> hi zap, I have restarted and it works well automatically. SO thanks.
Sep 22 22:12:28 <zap> windstorm: cool
Sep 22 22:12:31 <nikosapi> no, they don't tend to work unless you're using maemo
Sep 22 22:12:46 <windstorm> one more question, I don't have the conversation history
Sep 22 22:12:49 <zap> nikosapi: you mean somebody may have a non-working hildon library set?
Sep 22 22:12:58 <nikosapi> zap: yep
Sep 22 22:13:00 <windstorm> can you just copy it and message to me privately?
Sep 22 22:13:21 <nikosapi> zap: plus, I'd rather not use the hildon lib on the desktop
Sep 22 22:14:34 <zap> nikosapi: then look in the os module
Sep 22 22:14:46 <nikosapi> oh, good idea
Sep 22 22:14:50 <zap> or somewhere under /proc/*
Sep 22 22:15:09 <zap> or uname -r
Sep 22 22:17:16 <zap> also you might check if /etc/issue contains "Internet Tablet OS" :-)
Sep 22 22:17:38 <zap> but somebody might change it
Sep 22 22:17:54 <zap> or /etc/maemo_version
Sep 22 22:18:19 <nikosapi> that file doesn't exist on my n810
Sep 22 22:18:32 <zap> sad, I seen it in scratchbox
Sep 22 22:18:40 <zap> also /etc/osso-software-version
Sep 22 22:18:54 <nikosapi> nope
Sep 22 22:18:55 <zap> sorry, osso_software_version
Sep 22 22:19:09 <nikosapi> cool
Sep 22 22:19:36 <GeneralAntilles> Internet Tablet OS is dead.
Sep 22 22:19:40 <nikosapi> thanks zap, I think I'll go with that :D
Sep 22 22:20:31 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, eh?
Sep 22 22:20:39 <GeneralAntilles> It's deprecated
Sep 22 22:20:41 <zap> but I'd rather use try: import hildon
Sep 22 22:20:44 <GeneralAntilles> Internet Tablet OS -> Maemo
Sep 22 22:20:51 <moontiger> they dont ship to the states
Sep 22 22:20:53 <moontiger> doh!
Sep 22 22:21:05 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, ah, ok, lol
Sep 22 22:21:26 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, you're deprecated
Sep 22 22:21:26 <zap> nikosapi: do you have any distro which has hildon installed, but non-working?
Sep 22 22:21:37 <GeneralAntilles> GeneralAntilles -> YourLordandMaster
Sep 22 22:22:26 <nikosapi> zap: not me, but someone else who's working on the project does and he said that none of the hildon widgets seem to work
Sep 22 22:22:47 <nikosapi> who knows, perhaps he screwed up
Sep 22 22:38:00 <zap> Anybody can share a initfs.jffs2 with a built-in bootmenu?
Sep 22 22:38:09 <zap> for diablo
Sep 22 23:48:42 <jpereiran> rsalveti you are ricardo?
Sep 23 00:27:30 <lcuk> crashanddie, you about?
Sep 23 00:46:51 <GeneralAntilles> 120°F
Sep 23 00:48:56 * brontide doesn't want to think about a hot GA
Sep 23 00:49:33 <lcuk> ewwww a sweaty leader, somebody get this man some deoderant - stat
Sep 23 00:50:37 <GAN800> 1.5 hours of HAVA
Sep 23 00:50:42 <GAN800> internal temp
Sep 23 00:51:30 <lcuk> ohhhh, i almost burnt out my 810 a couple of weeks back when i left a book covering it all day whilst charging
Sep 23 00:51:38 <lcuk> it was inside the crate
Sep 23 00:51:55 <lcuk> hows your shoebox doing?
Sep 23 00:52:33 <GAN800> Still bricked.
Sep 23 00:52:46 <lcuk> eh? what did you do to it?
Sep 23 00:52:59 <lcuk> i wasnt aware you had broken it
Sep 23 00:53:01 <GAN800> it wasn't very hot at all after running big bucky bunny for a while, though.
Sep 23 00:53:12 <GAN800> Hosed the bootloadee
Sep 23 00:53:15 <GAN800> r
Sep 23 00:53:28 <GAN800> Can't seem to recover it a second time. . . .
Sep 23 00:54:07 <GAN800> I suppose 2W@5v isn't really enough to put out the heat to appreciably warm that box. :p
Sep 23 00:54:26 <lcuk> so what are you gonna do about it?
Sep 23 00:54:48 <lcuk> did you get maemo running on a desktop before it died?
Sep 23 00:54:58 <GAN800> Recover it
Sep 23 00:55:17 <GAN800> I just have to get it to use an x-loader off the SD
Sep 23 00:55:33 <GAN800> Which shouldn't be too hard, but I was having issues.
Sep 23 00:55:34 <lcuk> is it a priority?
Sep 23 00:55:41 <GAN800> Not at the moment
Sep 23 00:55:46 <GAN800> Maybe this weelend.
Sep 23 00:56:01 <lcuk> fair enough, hows council stuff goin
Sep 23 00:56:25 <lcuk> or is there none yet :D
Sep 23 00:56:45 <GAN800> No, tried booting Maemo, but in need to figure out how to either get the initfs in there or remove it from the equation.
Sep 23 00:56:54 <GAN800> Not really much yet
Sep 23 00:57:07 <GAN800> waiting for them to come down from the summit.
Sep 23 00:57:25 <GAN800> s/in/I/
Sep 23 00:58:30 <ryoohki> is the WiMax edition out yet?
Sep 23 00:58:37 <GAN800> No.
Sep 23 00:58:57 <ryoohki> GAN800: thanks!
Sep 23 00:59:02 <GAN800> I still haven't heard back if they made any progress on the community issue I proposed.
Sep 23 00:59:22 <brontide> from Nokia at the summit the wimax edition is done.... they are waiting on Sprint to finish up the network issues
Sep 23 01:01:15 <ryoohki> brontide: yeah, sprint is the big problem... i live in sf bay area( silicon valley) but they are rolling out in places like chicago...
Sep 23 01:02:33 <lcuk> brontide, :) hiya did you have far to get home from the summit?
Sep 23 01:02:34 <brontide> From my understanding the Wimax edition was complete and ready to ship with Diablo, but sprint keeps "tweaking" the network and Nokia has to retest
Sep 23 01:02:57 <brontide> lcuk: 6 hour time diff if that gives you a hint
Sep 23 01:03:10 <brontide> Not as bad as qole
Sep 23 01:03:20 <lcuk> 6 hours, thats what 12 whiskey shots
Sep 23 01:03:53 <brontide> Or like 14 hours of travel ( including layovers )
Sep 23 01:03:57 <lcuk> yer, even qole wasnt the furthest was he
Sep 23 01:04:14 <lcuk> werent some of the indt guys coming from brazil
Sep 23 01:04:28 <brontide> Nope, I'm sure the INdT people had quite a trip as well
Sep 23 01:04:42 <brontide> That was exciting... open source Canola2
Sep 23 01:04:53 <GAN800> It deserves it.
Sep 23 01:05:36 <lcuk> heh, it would be if i listened to music ;)  but yes its great news
Sep 23 01:05:54 <GAN800> podcasts here
Sep 23 01:05:59 <brontide> You haven't seen the version to be released
Sep 23 01:06:27 <brontide> maps, carman integration, "follow me" mode ( jabber integration and communication with other units )
Sep 23 01:06:34 <brontide> and other neat stuff
Sep 23 01:06:44 <lcuk> yer, its growing very nicely
Sep 23 01:07:00 <GAN800> Carman looks hot
Sep 23 01:07:01 <brontide> really slick
Sep 23 01:07:15 <GAN800> I need to get the Bluetooth serial adaptor.
Sep 23 01:07:38 <brontide> I'll be happy to get the pictures straightened out so that my growing collection is displayed right
Sep 23 01:08:55 <lcuk> yer ive got it dont you need a sensor fitting to your car to use it?
Sep 23 01:09:12 <GAN800> obd-ii
Sep 23 01:09:26 <GAN800> on every car since 1996
Sep 23 01:09:36 <lcuk> what does it connect to?
Sep 23 01:09:43 <lcuk> is there a wire in my car?
Sep 23 01:09:48 <brontide> there is a serial port somewhere
Sep 23 01:09:54 <lcuk> ahhh cool
Sep 23 01:10:33 <GAN800> usually under the dash driver's side or in the center console.
Sep 23 01:10:35 <lcuk> luke will love this sort of thing, i can see him playing and watching from the back of the car ;)
Sep 23 01:11:22 <GAN800> Wish the serial interface were a bit faster.
Sep 23 01:11:29 <lcuk> does it need to be?
Sep 23 01:11:40 <brontide> http://scantool.imechatronics.com/obd_cable_drawing.png
Sep 23 01:11:56 <GAN800> The guages are a little jerky and low resolution as is.
Sep 23 01:12:47 <lcuk> what sort of jumps are you seeing, and are you sure its not rendering glitches?
Sep 23 01:12:53 <GAN800> lol
Sep 23 01:13:04 <GAN800> No, it's not rendering glitches. :P
Sep 23 01:13:11 <lcuk> the speedo on my car refreshes once a second
Sep 23 01:13:22 <GAN800> The scan rate is too slow
Sep 23 01:13:24 <lcuk> ive got it on n2 at the side of me
Sep 23 01:13:32 <GAN800> in the 1hz range
Sep 23 01:13:38 <lcuk> with test data - i can see its fast enough technically
Sep 23 01:13:44 <GAN800> 1hz speedo?
Sep 23 01:13:53 <GAN800> Built-in speedo?
Sep 23 01:14:34 <lcuk> yer, it displays mph as large numbers - if it refreshed faster it would cause a flickering which could distract you
Sep 23 01:14:47 <GAN800> lol
Sep 23 01:14:47 <lcuk> with guages its different if they transition smoothly
Sep 23 01:14:55 <GAN800> What car? <_<
Sep 23 01:15:13 <lcuk> a citroen
Sep 23 01:15:37 <GAN800> My dad's Prius definitely refreshs its digital guage more than once a second.
Sep 23 01:16:08 <lcuk> i believe it is the colorscheme, if i had designed the dash i would not put the stupid shit they have on it
Sep 23 01:16:14 <GAN800> 1hz isn't workable for, say, a tach.
Sep 23 01:16:46 <lcuk> things like the fuel lightswell thats the kind of changes im seeing carman test stuff giving
Sep 23 01:17:09 <GAN800> or boost pressure
Sep 23 01:17:17 <GAN800> 1hz is too slow for that
Sep 23 01:17:22 <lcuk> the needle just transitions between old and new smoothly
Sep 23 02:51:55 <gregorovius> i'm having quite bad battery life on my n800 lately, and it accidentally fell off my desk a couple weeks ago, could it be related?
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