**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 23 02:59:58 2008 Sep 23 03:23:20 http://dl2.glitter-graphics.net/pub/344/344152cpvpjws1a9.gif Sep 23 04:00:26 yawn Sep 23 04:10:30 elekt: hahaha Sep 23 04:12:44 that gif is topic in half the efnet by now Sep 23 04:13:08 which one? Sep 23 04:16:08 elekt> http://dl2.glitter-graphics.net/pub/344/344152cpvpjws1a9.gif Sep 23 04:16:36 isn't it kind of old? Sep 23 04:16:38 :) Sep 23 04:16:52 excuse me, mr Trend Sep 23 04:16:53 funny nevertheless :) Sep 23 04:20:18 I don't remember seeing it before. Sep 23 04:20:36 but I live under a rock Sep 23 04:20:42 http://www.mckeeth.org/2005/11/picard-riker-and-data-in-a-car/ Sep 23 04:20:45 2005 Sep 23 04:20:46 :) Sep 23 04:20:52 whoa Sep 23 04:20:55 and probably older than that Sep 23 04:20:56 ;) Sep 23 04:20:57 :( Sep 23 04:21:29 but don't worry, i haven't seen even older memes yet Sep 23 04:21:32 :) Sep 23 04:21:41 what's a meme? Sep 23 04:21:45 :D Sep 23 04:21:54 asking seriously? Sep 23 04:21:56 :) Sep 23 04:22:00 or just playing along ;) Sep 23 04:22:08 memes is memes Sep 23 04:22:22 i think it started out as a point i was making but i started laughing Sep 23 04:22:32 :) Sep 23 04:23:14 my tablet is getting close to a good flashing Sep 23 04:23:14 See also Sep 23 04:23:15 * Forum spam Sep 23 04:23:19 i love wiki Sep 23 04:23:20 :> Sep 23 04:23:39 anyway, i was under the rock with my n800 Sep 23 04:23:49 anything interesting happened to diablo? Sep 23 04:24:22 i'm sort of in a cave Sep 23 04:24:46 i think there's goodies in the store, but i don't know how far off Sep 23 04:24:54 :) Sep 23 04:26:36 ok, bbl Sep 23 04:26:44 laters Sep 23 04:26:51 Sep 23 04:31:34 seems like maemo.org downloads are broken Sep 23 04:31:59 at the moment Sep 23 05:05:28 ryoohki: fwiw, iirc chicago isn't first on sprint's list Sep 23 05:05:50 if the screen on n800 gets scratched up, am i covered under warranty? Sep 23 05:05:58 like from normal usage Sep 23 05:06:05 No Sep 23 05:06:14 That's regular old wear and tear. Sep 23 05:06:18 whoa, save the capitals Sep 23 05:06:27 ? Sep 23 05:06:36 yeah but if it's regular wear and tear Sep 23 05:06:38 KotCzarny, your mother is so fat, she died of a heart attack an hour ago. Please call the morgue. Sep 23 05:06:40 shouldn't that be covered? Sep 23 05:06:45 it's not accidenetal damage Sep 23 05:06:47 Erm Sep 23 05:06:48 navi, go troll yourself Sep 23 05:07:00 No, it's not covered. Sep 23 05:07:13 KotCzarny, your face is so ugly, your mother died of a heart attack an hour ago. Please call the morgue. Sep 23 05:07:15 that sucks pickled eggs Sep 23 05:07:20 Meh Sep 23 05:07:32 I don't know any manufacturer that covers stuff like that in a regular warranty. Sep 23 05:07:32 elekt, you can get extended warranty from the shop i guess Sep 23 05:07:40 i did, 2 years Sep 23 05:07:50 Well, that's a different warranty. Sep 23 05:08:02 You might have luck with that. Sep 23 05:08:09 yeah, i don't think they would cover it either fi the maker isn't Sep 23 05:08:14 fi = if Sep 23 05:08:16 not true Sep 23 05:08:24 it's not horrible yet, but i can see it getting there Sep 23 05:08:33 Anyway, that's why you use a screen protector. Sep 23 05:08:45 a wah? Sep 23 05:08:56 plastic condom for the screen Sep 23 05:09:02 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_protector Sep 23 05:09:02 yeah Sep 23 05:09:08 GeneralAntilles, screen protectors are for people like KotCzarny, who are too rough with the tablet in bed. Sep 23 05:09:22 ^ troll Sep 23 05:09:25 Where? Sep 23 05:10:02 i'm hoping maybe the n800 wil totally disappear from microcenter and they'll give me an 810 Sep 23 05:10:10 or the one after Sep 23 05:10:41 risky Sep 23 05:10:56 what if they find one in the attic? Sep 23 05:11:00 hah Sep 23 05:11:02 you will end up with old battery Sep 23 05:11:04 :) Sep 23 05:11:13 heh Sep 23 05:11:24 You might end up with KotCzarny. Sep 23 05:11:28 Scary thought, right? Sep 23 05:26:14 Morning! Sep 23 05:26:29 Hi, tekojo! Sep 23 05:27:07 Still quiet here? Sep 23 05:27:27 Depends on the time of day. Sep 23 05:27:40 Ah, GA, always here :-) Sep 23 05:28:29 Just heading to bed. ;) Sep 23 05:28:39 bed? it's 12:30 Sep 23 05:28:55 or, I guess it's 1:30 in florida Sep 23 05:29:09 :) Sep 23 05:29:16 in nyc too Sep 23 05:29:20 Almost morning then Sep 23 05:29:26 well, yhea, east coast Sep 23 05:29:48 although it all depends on biological clock timezone :) Sep 23 05:30:00 when you gotta go, you gotta go Sep 23 05:32:01 So, uh, did we actually get the new servers today? Sep 23 05:32:18 s/did/do/ Sep 23 05:32:30 good morning @all Sep 23 05:32:43 GAN800: Yes we should. In the afternoon GMT Sep 23 05:32:51 Good! Sep 23 05:32:55 Sweet Sep 23 05:33:10 I hope they perform as well in the wild as in internal tests Sep 23 05:33:13 have a question about dosbox - anyone here using it? Sep 23 05:33:32 They've sort of been 'coming' for the past 8 months, so just wanted to be sure. ;) Sep 23 05:33:45 Don't ask to ask or ask if anyone is using something Sep 23 05:33:47 or otherwise Sep 23 05:34:00 Well, yes. Now they should really come Sep 23 05:34:01 It's best to just ask your question, fluentis Sep 23 05:34:23 hi tekojo Sep 23 05:34:32 Hi timelyx Sep 23 05:34:55 Why not the normal nick? Sep 23 05:35:32 Navi, thank you... I need the funktion kes on n810 in dosbox - f1, f2 etc. is it possible? Sep 23 05:38:26 sure Sep 23 05:38:30 :) Sep 23 05:38:45 this is my mac Sep 23 05:38:51 but it depends what you want to lose Sep 23 05:39:01 screen estate or other keys Sep 23 05:39:15 i can speak from anywhere as timeless Sep 23 05:39:20 ie. you can use some virtual keyboard Sep 23 05:39:34 but this keeps a much longer scrollback Sep 23 05:39:39 (and has windows/tabs) Sep 23 05:39:42 or remap shift/alt or anything to produce keycodes you want Sep 23 05:39:47 (@fluentis) Sep 23 05:39:55 (snak uses 400mb or so for those features) Sep 23 05:40:03 which makes it a fairly tiny app Sep 23 05:41:14 KotCzarny, so directly, like ctrl+1=fn1 is not possible? Sep 23 05:41:19 window server uses a bit over 400mb, safari ~600mb, ff uses 1g, kernel uses slightly more, and camino is using 1.35g :) Sep 23 05:41:31 fluentis: xmodmap Sep 23 05:41:49 hrm, the vm size on my mac is 14g Sep 23 05:41:50 ok, KotCzarny thx Sep 23 05:41:59 that's kinda bad given that i only have 2 1/4 g of ram Sep 23 05:42:23 timelyx: you are spoiled, i have 128mb in my n800 :) Sep 23 05:42:54 timelyx: ok, sounds sensible Sep 23 05:42:57 spoiled? nah Sep 23 05:43:09 my workstation is tiny w/ a mere 4g of ram and 31g of swap Sep 23 05:43:19 my coworkers have boxes w/ 16g of ram :( Sep 23 05:43:25 :) Sep 23 05:44:19 i think my box does more work than most of them too :( Sep 23 05:44:31 but i really need to do some optimization instead of complaining Sep 23 05:44:49 i have some code which uses a perl TIE and only writes when it's done Sep 23 05:44:55 which makes it a fairly big pig Sep 23 05:45:17 timelyx: ask them to install vnc ? :) Sep 23 05:53:11 nah... Sep 23 05:55:35 KotCzarny: good job on kcbatt btw Sep 23 05:55:51 wow Sep 23 05:55:56 good? Sep 23 05:56:07 i just gethered 2 pieces of code Sep 23 05:56:12 well interesting to say the least ;) Sep 23 05:56:17 and made few rundowns Sep 23 05:56:29 no one sent me their rundows though :/ Sep 23 05:56:32 well, one person did Sep 23 05:56:33 :) Sep 23 05:57:09 Stskeeps: do you have digital voltimeter? ;) Sep 23 05:57:15 hehe, not at hand no Sep 23 05:57:36 it would be very helpful to translate retu values to voltage Sep 23 05:58:10 :) Sep 23 05:58:44 i'm mostly interested from perspective of replacing hald-addon-bme with a open source version somewhat (basically battery meter in HAL) Sep 23 05:58:58 and the documentation of hw interfaces Sep 23 05:59:01 yeah Sep 23 05:59:15 that's why having voltage would be nice :) Sep 23 06:01:33 austin che seemingily works on reverse engineering the BME protocol.. could also be interesting to see Sep 23 06:02:41 cool Sep 23 06:05:13 did he have much of a success? Sep 23 06:06:33 well he seeming started a couple of days ago so :P right now it's just a unix socket connect ;) Sep 23 06:06:42 but i guess he might have somewhere to start Sep 23 06:07:33 :) Sep 23 06:07:39 hi pupnik Sep 23 06:07:50 Stskeeps: at least it's a start :) Sep 23 06:09:01 hi KotCzarny ! Sep 23 06:09:01 nice 2 see u still alive Sep 23 06:09:09 :) Sep 23 06:09:24 wanna another cool game? Sep 23 06:09:31 morning pupnik810 Sep 23 06:10:01 Morning, all Sep 23 06:11:03 yes cool game plox Sep 23 06:11:20 moo Sep 23 06:12:36 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/games/anagramarama.tar.gz Sep 23 06:12:55 moved few boxes to visible positions Sep 23 06:13:00 otherwise it's a clean compile Sep 23 06:13:01 :) Sep 23 06:13:29 pretty addictive for a short, idle moments Sep 23 06:14:07 cooll ty! Sep 23 06:14:22 and pretty well done Sep 23 06:14:28 (not mine, i only found it) Sep 23 06:14:39 can be played with stylus and kb Sep 23 06:16:25 bad wlan here Sep 23 06:16:47 no worries, my laptop is on 24/7 Sep 23 06:16:48 :) Sep 23 06:19:22 also it has educational factor Sep 23 06:21:51 ok - have 2 go .. ttyl Sep 23 07:02:35 hi, deblet says : "netstat: no support for `AF INET (tcp)' on this system." is that important? Sep 23 07:07:58 thux: eh.. what tablet, kernel? Sep 23 07:08:32 Stskeeps: this beta3 Sep 23 07:08:52 ah, johnx's beta3? Sep 23 07:09:09 i think so yes Sep 23 07:09:29 no clue then, i just know deblet (which comes after beta3 :P) Sep 23 07:12:17 Stskeeps: btw where that new deblet can be download? Sep 23 07:13:37 usually trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet but wait a week or so till we have the new installer stable Sep 23 07:13:42 as you'd just end up reinstalling else Sep 23 07:14:44 ok Sep 23 07:15:06 hurray Sep 23 07:15:29 * zap thanks fannoush for bootmenu Sep 23 07:15:43 :) Sep 23 07:15:54 * KotCzarny agrees Sep 23 07:16:00 would have to reflash :) Sep 23 07:16:05 although fanoush is not an irc person Sep 23 07:16:11 unless something has changed Sep 23 07:16:21 that was more of "thanks God for ..." style Sep 23 07:16:35 KotCzarny: yeah, think he has too much work and family to deal with for irc Sep 23 07:16:36 :P Sep 23 07:16:42 :) Sep 23 07:16:49 * zap has a family too Sep 23 07:16:52 sometimes :) Sep 23 07:16:55 fanoush is a hacker Sep 23 07:16:57 :) Sep 23 07:17:08 a hacker has no family :) Sep 23 07:17:12 not true Sep 23 07:17:14 :) Sep 23 07:17:22 * Stskeeps starts a debootstrap on his tablet and thinks it'll take all day.. Sep 23 07:17:25 he lives in dark woods and uses sattelite internet Sep 23 07:17:31 :) Sep 23 07:17:57 sometimes he takes out his gun and goes out to hunt some bears, for food Sep 23 07:18:07 *his BFG2000 Sep 23 07:20:01 :) Sep 23 07:20:07 think he uses emacs? Sep 23 07:20:10 naaaah Sep 23 07:22:24 kotczarny Sep 23 07:22:39 *meow* Sep 23 07:22:50 moo. Sep 23 07:29:22 * Italodance [Nick: Italodance] [Server: zelazny.freenode.net:6667] [Server UpTime: 1day 18hrs 30mins 17secs] [mIRC UpTime: 1day 18hrs 32mins] [] [CPU: 1-Intel Pentium 4, 2395MHz, 0KB (21% Load) ] Sep 23 07:29:22 * Italodance [WinXP UpTime: 1day 18hrs 35mins 53secs] [Idle: 13hrs 51mins 24secs] [Time&Date: 11:58:35 × 23/09/2008] [DCC Gets: 0/0] [DCC Sends: 0/0] [Memory Usage: 321/512MB (62.70%) ] Sep 23 08:10:29 http://community.livejournal.com/idu_shagayu/1603574.html?#cutid1 Sep 23 08:11:17 oh, acity! Sep 23 08:11:20 :) Sep 23 08:11:45 way too shiny to keep me from pasting it here =) Sep 23 08:12:02 there were some photos of london lately Sep 23 08:12:07 high res Sep 23 08:12:11 also shiny Sep 23 08:12:12 URL? Sep 23 08:12:17 let me look for it Sep 23 08:12:32 Tokyo usually excels in shininess Sep 23 08:12:35 http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/london_from_above_at_night.html Sep 23 08:12:59 Umgh, cool Sep 23 08:13:04 :) Sep 23 08:13:06 shiny! Sep 23 08:13:20 Different shiny though, looks more like something out of a harry Potter novel Sep 23 08:13:22 and remember they were taken at night from a helicopter Sep 23 08:13:38 guy is a pro Sep 23 08:13:41 :> Sep 23 08:14:02 Some of these are uncomfortably close to buildings Sep 23 08:14:14 telephoto? Sep 23 08:14:24 Either he has got a huge zoom, or his pilot was a wacko Sep 23 08:14:34 i bet on the latter Sep 23 08:15:11 m25 looks disturbing Sep 23 08:15:28 like a hot lava Sep 23 08:16:09 :) hey kot extremely good to see you. we shall catch up tonight if you are around, theres lots of news - i hope all is fine with you Sep 23 08:16:10 The lightning they use appears to be different from the one in US or Russia Sep 23 08:16:14 hi lcuk :) Sep 23 08:16:19 hey lcuk Sep 23 08:16:20 i have seen your second vid Sep 23 08:16:22 you rule! Sep 23 08:16:25 :) Sep 23 08:16:35 rst: 'lighting' Sep 23 08:16:38 Warmer tone Sep 23 08:16:39 you havent seen the live app - that vide is just one tiny part Sep 23 08:16:41 Kot: yea, sorry Sep 23 08:16:52 if anyone used lightning to took a photo, it would be god himself Sep 23 08:16:53 :) Sep 23 08:17:06 lcuk: yeah, can't wait to port it to my x40 Sep 23 08:17:08 :> Sep 23 08:17:08 if i had time i would get it on ftp for you - will do this evening Sep 23 08:17:38 Kot: Photographers are also known to make use of it, every now and then =) Sep 23 08:17:46 :) Sep 23 08:17:53 no prob lol - its already half converted - i have a -DUSE_MAEMO flag nowadays :) i shouldv listened to you at first ;) Sep 23 08:17:54 more tamed versions Sep 23 08:17:55 i guess Sep 23 08:17:58 :) Sep 23 08:18:01 hah Sep 23 08:18:12 lcuk: The highway lighting in UK - what is it? Sep 23 08:18:21 ANYWAY REALLY GREAT TO SEE YOU, IM LATE FOR WORK MYSELF, CATCH YOU IN A BIT Sep 23 08:18:28 no probs Sep 23 08:18:33 crapola Sep 23 08:18:35 i have finished wathing las vegas parano Sep 23 08:18:41 ummm i dunno Sep 23 08:18:43 * lcuk runs Sep 23 08:18:43 and going to bed soon :) Sep 23 08:18:55 oh well, back to work Sep 23 08:18:57 oh kot - you win on linecount, i win on wordcount i believe ;) Sep 23 08:19:03 :) Sep 23 08:19:11 i win on smiley count too Sep 23 08:19:12 ;) Sep 23 08:19:43 General will be unhappy =) Sep 23 08:19:51 oh well Sep 23 08:20:08 you can't have everything Sep 23 08:20:12 :) Sep 23 08:21:24 hellow? Sep 23 08:21:38 mellow Sep 23 08:21:40 :) Sep 23 08:21:43 it works :) Sep 23 08:21:47 sometimes Sep 23 08:21:51 but don't count on it Sep 23 08:21:51 never used irc before. Sep 23 08:21:52 yet Sep 23 08:22:41 is anybody here experienced in gstreamer in diablo? Sep 23 08:22:58 o.O Sep 23 08:23:00 n00b Sep 23 08:23:13 clickity clicky n00b Sep 23 08:41:21 nite nite. Sep 23 08:41:27 ail Sep 23 08:41:35 wrong window Sep 23 08:41:45 :) Sep 23 08:41:57 nope, bed time Sep 23 08:43:27 There's a school shooting going on again :-/ Sep 23 08:45:23 in US? Sep 23 08:45:29 Kauhajoki.fi Sep 23 08:46:03 ok, sadly I don't read/speak finnish :/ Sep 23 08:46:37 Kind of a copycat, even Sep 23 08:46:54 stupid finns Sep 23 08:48:13 Indeed Sep 23 08:50:58 XTL: where more information? Sep 23 08:51:30 http://junk.kegetys.net/xzy/cdsa.png that guy apparently Sep 23 08:51:40 http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=1592024 Sep 23 08:51:44 solmumaha: How can you call them stupid until we know the details? Sep 23 08:52:10 Maybe the shooter was a genius and dispatched his victims in a really creative and ironic way? Sep 23 08:55:37 RST38h: :) sorry for jumping to conclusions Sep 23 08:56:12 hope this trend doesn't spread to office buildings Sep 23 08:56:42 <3 Office Space Sep 23 08:57:36 he could've been a bit more original Sep 23 08:57:52 Didn't post a manifesto either Sep 23 08:57:55 http://kuvaton.com/kauhajoki/ Sep 23 08:58:28 finns are well armed i think third in hand guns in the world Sep 23 08:59:14 sigh, just another clown monkey Sep 23 09:00:03 talked himself into killing people? Sep 23 09:00:34 Any english link? Sep 23 09:01:35 http://www.youtube.com/user/Wumpscut86 Sep 23 09:02:00 blafasel: who cares? they are all the same Sep 23 09:02:40 RST38h: I'm really interested how minds like that work and how they could survive for more than a couple of years Sep 23 09:02:42 blafasel: Takes a PhD to massacre properly (see Unabomber) Sep 23 09:03:59 blafasel: Well, the guy has to be a firearm fan and should also have some weird mania. Maybe he does not like the jews, or immigrants, or policemen Sep 23 09:04:22 Or himself. Or his wiener. Sep 23 09:04:37 blafasel: So, he is slowly talking himself into how macho he is with his gun and how the group in question is opressing him Sep 23 09:04:53 I don't get it. But that's probably a good thing here. Sep 23 09:05:08 Not neccessarily the victim group Sep 23 09:05:12 But some group Sep 23 09:05:23 blafasel: When enemies finally start waving at him from the fridge and take his car keys away every night, he goes off and starts shooting people Sep 23 09:05:30 morning Sep 23 09:05:35 xtl: Of course Sep 23 09:05:36 EHLO Sep 23 09:06:05 Yeah. And no one cares or sees that this idiot is completely nuts, posting youtube videos in which he's "da man" only. Sep 23 09:06:18 Before, I mean. Sep 23 09:06:38 I think the completely nuts comes through pretty well Sep 23 09:06:38 blafasel: btw, http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7948&IBLOCK_ID=35 Sep 23 09:06:50 blafasel: It's in English. Provides some insight. Sep 23 09:07:29 blafasel: But the described case is different from the poor Finn. This particular guy had external reasons. Sep 23 09:10:35 Interesting link. Thanks Sep 23 09:11:05 what the *ck is wrong with people living in remote places of finland Sep 23 09:11:38 society Sep 23 09:12:06 I think they are missing the society in places like kauhava... or something. Sep 23 09:12:07 konttori: the fact that they live in remote places of finland/ Sep 23 09:12:07 not _that_ much Sep 23 09:12:20 i think they just go bananas Sep 23 09:12:22 there's plenty of people who don't flip out there Sep 23 09:12:23 i would Sep 23 09:12:41 yeah, me too probably Sep 23 09:12:43 but the brain's a pretty complex thing - it's not hard to imagine that occasionally something goes pretty disastrously wrong Sep 23 09:12:43 or maybe not, if the internet is decent there Sep 23 09:12:59 living your entire life in the middle of nowhere... can't do good for your soul Sep 23 09:13:44 konttori: jokela wasn't so remote Sep 23 09:14:19 I couldn't place jokela on the map, so I don't see it as exactly a metropol either. Sep 23 09:14:41 near of helsinki Sep 23 09:14:55 in my gps Sep 23 09:15:16 jokela: 6000 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela Sep 23 09:15:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki Sep 23 09:16:09 population density 11.1 people per km ^2 Sep 23 09:16:22 but jokela was close of helsinki anyway Sep 23 09:16:30 11.1 is pretty dense Sep 23 09:16:33 50km Sep 23 09:17:27 that is close Sep 23 09:17:35 too close Sep 23 09:17:57 * towo offers 2500 per square kilometer. Sep 23 09:18:55 towo: in what packaging? Sep 23 09:19:34 towo: Same here ;) I like it that way Sep 23 09:20:16 re Sep 23 09:20:26 RST38h: In urban metropolitan packaging, of course. Sep 23 09:21:25 anyone having problems with flashing custom kernel into n810 (after update available via appmanager)? Sep 23 09:21:33 or is i only me Sep 23 09:21:34 ? Sep 23 09:23:11 Ehehe.. Sep 23 09:23:25 towo: The funny thing is.. Our numbers match, since we're talking about the same city. Sep 23 09:23:32 At least according to your channel list. Sep 23 09:25:10 * towo whoisses himself Sep 23 09:25:13 Yes, indeed. Sep 23 09:26:12 towo: I would prefer deep frozen Sep 23 09:27:05 RST38h: Ah, sorry, we're 50m over null and a tightly-packed and warm city located in a special weather zone... We'll take sometime to freeze off, we didn't even have real snow all the last years. *g* Sep 23 09:28:24 towo <-- making people jealous Sep 23 09:28:51 Nah, we'd actually like some snow here. Sep 23 09:28:55 But it's just a no-go. Sep 23 09:29:52 Nice, the wikipedia article on cologne even includes my workspace ;) Sep 23 09:31:41 the street? :P Sep 23 09:32:23 Na, image of the building Sep 23 09:32:33 farina house? Sep 23 09:32:39 st martin church? Sep 23 09:32:43 The bridge? Sep 23 09:32:47 the canal? Sep 23 09:32:52 Hehe. No, IT stuff. The tower Sep 23 09:32:54 the cathedral? Sep 23 09:33:03 Riverboat. Yarrr! Sep 23 09:33:05 Morning, all Sep 23 09:33:18 KölnTurm? Sep 23 09:33:18 * Jaffa is back at work after the fun of last week :-( Sep 23 09:33:28 Fatal: Yep Sep 23 09:33:50 "ok" Sep 23 09:34:04 Jaffa: Uhu ;) Sep 23 09:35:05 X-Fade: I was having some thoughts about the section issue on the train home. Will try and write them up Sep 23 09:35:21 blafasel: Oooh. Sep 23 09:35:25 warning: downgrading hal from 0.5.11-3 to 0.5.11~git20080402-1osso1. Sep 23 09:35:37 how on earth is a ~ version a downgrade? isn't it at like 127 in the ascii table? Sep 23 09:35:41 * towo is sitting over in Lindenthal, at the university. Sep 23 09:36:19 Jaffa: Ah, good. I stumbled into some nice sections today while debuging #3549. People are just making things up as they go :( Sep 23 09:36:41 blafasel: Ah, that obscure Koeln LUG group.. Sep 23 09:37:14 blafasel: Oh, I see, seems you got rid of the old odd weights there. Sep 23 09:38:43 towo: I'm only a lurker there. Sep 23 09:38:58 blafasel: Mhhm. Sep 23 09:45:47 hi! Sep 23 09:47:39 <_berto_> ho! Sep 23 09:47:57 blafasel: What I think is most interesting is that we have no shared contacts at all according to Xing. ;) Sep 23 09:47:58 <_berto_> ( now someone should say "let's go!" ) Sep 23 09:50:59 hi there. is there a way to access the root fs of a n810 when it fails to boot properly? Sep 23 09:51:32 or is my only option to reflash it Sep 23 09:52:33 towo: I don't use that site at all, actually. Everything there's probably quite outdated ;) Sep 23 09:52:49 blafasel: Heh. Just did some digging, that's all. Sep 23 09:53:22 EgS: do you have bootmenu with usb recovery? Sep 23 09:53:56 Stskeeps: dunno, how can I check it? I've been looking for recovery methods but didn't really came up with something Sep 23 09:54:17 _berto_: ;-) Sep 23 09:54:44 EgS: well you can maybe find someone here with a jffs2 initfs image that can enable you to Sep 23 09:54:55 otherwise there's ways to dump the mtd if you need something from there Sep 23 09:55:09 mtd is the internal flash? Sep 23 09:55:13 yeah Sep 23 09:55:41 i think it's possible, atleast, but a bootmenu with usb recovery is prolly easier :P Sep 23 09:56:01 well let's put it like this: there's no important stuff on it, so reflashing wouldn't be an issue... but if there is an easy way to get access to the root fs, I would go for it as it's an easy fix in a file I messed with when I was drunk last night... -.- Sep 23 09:56:47 then i'd say you should reflash and then install fanoush's bootmenu for next time :P Sep 23 09:56:54 :) Sep 23 09:56:59 where can I get it? garage? Sep 23 09:57:16 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs Sep 23 09:58:01 thanks! sounds great Sep 23 09:58:40 btw: when I'm at reflashing anyways... can you point me to a decent howto on repartitioning and changing the fs type to something that supports sym links? Sep 23 09:59:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting has a lot of diff stuff Sep 23 09:59:15 <_berto_> jsmanrique: are you this one? ;-) -> http://flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2873391520/ Sep 23 09:59:41 Stskeeps: thanks for all the help! Sep 23 10:03:29 someone should take some summit pictures and gimp some nicks into them Sep 23 10:05:06 some group-photo similar to those that are usually taken at Akademy with searchable names would have been nice too... Sep 23 10:06:28 Well, at least now I know Mek can play Wii Tennis quite well ;) Sep 23 10:06:51 i only recognize some of the maemo celebrity persons, like _berto_ Sep 23 10:07:01 :) Sep 23 10:07:54 heh Sep 23 10:08:23 pass to Nokias sysupdate site is now found ;) Sep 23 10:08:50 mxb_: Old news, really.. Sep 23 10:08:54 :) Sep 23 10:08:57 yeah Sep 23 10:09:09 but no info on maemo.org Sep 23 10:09:16 so I had to do it myself Sep 23 10:09:17 :) Sep 23 10:09:34 even if i asked here....noone would answer Sep 23 10:09:35 right? Sep 23 10:09:38 :) Sep 23 10:09:46 Probably.. Sep 23 10:09:50 !! Sep 23 10:09:50 mxb_: Error: "!" is not a valid command. Sep 23 10:10:02 Maemo Summit attendees: join this group ! http://www.flickr.com/groups/maemosummit2008/ Sep 23 10:10:57 now i have to download a really new image Sep 23 10:12:46 it breaks custom kernel flash Sep 23 10:12:55 or flasher needs an update Sep 23 10:16:21 <_berto_> solmumaha: celebrities? haha :D Sep 23 10:16:28 <_berto_> i'm not a celebrity :) Sep 23 10:21:07 no need to be modest Sep 23 10:27:37 <_berto_> no, modest is the e-mail client :D Sep 23 10:44:22 Can Flickr add names to faces? Give us a headstart on next time/those we didn't recognise Sep 23 10:44:45 lardman: You can add a note to a certain region of the picture. Sep 23 10:45:12 Thanks X-Fade Sep 23 10:45:17 <_berto_> or just a comment telling who is who Sep 23 10:45:22 true Sep 23 10:49:41 _berto_: yest, I am that one Sep 23 10:50:01 I think that flickr has tools to markup who is in the photo Sep 23 10:50:23 not all photos in that group allow you to add notes Sep 23 10:53:13 I know Sep 23 10:54:21 I'm sure I wandered around ignoring people I usually talk to on IRC just because I couldn't see their tags :) Sep 23 10:54:58 lardman: common problem Sep 23 10:55:23 hrw: Need an attendee list with mug-shot Sep 23 10:56:02 * lcuk_work smiles cos hes got a great idea to do just that :) Sep 23 10:56:36 * lcuk_work envisions himself meeting a lot more people in the near future and must be able to put faces with names Sep 23 10:56:39 <_berto_> jsmanrique: that photo is not mine, I have no permissions to add notes Sep 23 10:56:50 hi lardman / hrw :) Sep 23 10:57:14 _berto_: I know, I know Sep 23 10:57:55 hi lcuk_work Sep 23 10:58:13 * lcuk_work keeps nervously checking mail Sep 23 11:01:26 hmm...seem to be getting some screen streaking on my n800... Sep 23 11:01:58 oh no, lardman i gather you cannot get the pm i just sent Sep 23 11:02:35 im on unsecured account though Sep 23 11:02:48 Hey, anyone worked on making hildondesktop applets on python ? Sep 23 11:03:03 I'm rying to figure out why my applet crashes if I add a button to it. Sep 23 11:03:18 but it runs fine if I have just labels in it. Sep 23 11:04:27 hildon desktop applets... Sep 23 11:04:43 I recently had to remove omweather as it crash too much Sep 23 11:05:29 chelli: It seems that your package now ended up in extras-devel? Sep 23 11:06:04 X-Fade: yes, thank you for the hint, i just marked #3549 as resolved ;-) Sep 23 11:06:37 chelli: At the summit I announced that will add checks. I guess that they would catch things like that too. Sep 23 11:06:51 X-Fade: and i also notified John Costigain, that he can retry maemo-mapper too :) Sep 23 11:07:09 chelli: Great. Thanks! Sep 23 11:08:04 X-Fade: i listened to your talk at the summit, i think this is really the way to go, do you plan to send thse warnings by mail? Sep 23 11:08:29 chelli: We'll add another log file to the build dir first. Sep 23 11:08:50 chelli: Don't want to annoy people while we test these things. Sep 23 11:09:14 heh.. I did not linked X-Fade with real name Sep 23 11:09:37 X-Fade: I'm still interested in the error reporting tool if you have any info/links to code, etc. Sep 23 11:10:28 lardman: Working on that. Sep 23 11:10:47 X-Fade: as i told you at the summit, i think a service like the debian PTS (http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vdr.html for an example) would be really, really great for maemo-packages - on such a page you can also show non-critical problems with the packages Sep 23 11:10:50 johnx: how to remove x from deblet beta3? what is package name? tried xorg and xserver-xorg Sep 23 11:11:01 Need to work on this one first: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/external-rebuild/gronmayer-rebuild.php Sep 23 11:11:23 thux, probably xomap ? Sep 23 11:11:30 * johnx makes a raid on long term memory Sep 23 11:11:41 thanks Sep 23 11:11:45 thux, you should really try Stskeeps' new debian installer though Sep 23 11:12:10 is better? Sep 23 11:12:21 oh yeah Sep 23 11:12:21 chelli: Can I convince you to move all your packages to extras and close your repo? :) Sep 23 11:12:25 it smooths out all my rough hacks Sep 23 11:12:33 lwn.net has an article about a 5-second boot Sep 23 11:12:46 X-Fade: yes, you can - will work on that :) Sep 23 11:12:52 a couple of kernel hackers made an eeepc boot into a fully-loaded xfce desktop in 5 seconds flat Sep 23 11:12:59 chelli: Great! Sep 23 11:12:59 a n810 takes how long to boot? Sep 23 11:13:08 45 Sep 23 11:13:29 but who ever turns it all the way off except to reboot? Sep 23 11:14:17 pulling the battery counts? Sep 23 11:14:27 better ask who has never had the n810 crash and reboot on him when he was in a big hurry? Sep 23 11:14:36 I, for one, won't be raising my hand Sep 23 11:14:51 I don't crash my n800 when I'm in a hurry Sep 23 11:15:00 only when I have time to play Sep 23 11:15:30 anyways, the crash-bug should be fixed. I'm happy with booting being an exceptional case Sep 23 11:15:55 long boot times are motivation to make it not crash :D Sep 23 11:16:22 boot doesn't take that long, my Psion 5 took about the same time Sep 23 11:16:55 * lardman isn't fond of having to reboot a la Windows - e.g. OMWeather requires a reboot for some reason Sep 23 11:18:03 johnx: call me when you're done making my n810 never run out of memory and crash Sep 23 11:18:50 when a user is already frustrated from the crash, making him wait 45 seconds will not leave a good impression Sep 23 11:19:04 mgedmin, for n in $(pidof mgedmin's programs) ; do kill $n ; echo problem solved ; done Sep 23 11:19:06 :) Sep 23 11:19:07 mgedmin: does it crash when it's oom? Sep 23 11:19:38 it freezes, then it reboots, yes Sep 23 11:20:02 what's the cause of that I wonder, what critical component has crashed and therefore taken the system down? Sep 23 11:20:12 could be the watchdog just because the system is busy swapping and not doing anything else Sep 23 11:20:20 mgedmin: 5s boot on eeepc was done by intel guys Sep 23 11:20:30 ok, so that's an issue, watchdog should have higher pri then Sep 23 11:23:17 boo all Sep 23 11:30:01 andre___: yes, I'll take a look at updating the patch Sep 23 11:30:24 lardman, cool. should remember that this is your irc nick :) Sep 23 11:30:44 andre___: I have the same problems, don't worry :) Sep 23 11:30:45 * andre___ is cleaning up "system software/general" bugs Sep 23 11:30:46 mgedmin: [sadistically] running out of memory is what you get for using MicroB Sep 23 11:30:49 haha Sep 23 11:30:53 [browserd actually] Sep 23 11:30:58 maemo-mapper, actually Sep 23 11:31:00 I blame sqlite Sep 23 11:32:32 sqlite is also a good candidate Sep 23 11:32:44 lots of reasons for it to gobble memory Sep 23 11:32:54 it's poor form that a user app having an oom can bring the system down Sep 23 11:33:04 that's linux for you Sep 23 11:33:10 well it should be fixable Sep 23 11:33:26 lardman: interesting mail on maemo-dev Sep 23 11:33:38 Jaffa: thought I'd get the ball rolling Sep 23 11:33:54 Jaffa: missed you leaving, get back ok? Sep 23 11:35:26 lardman: yeah: practised my German ("Ich habe reservieeren lassen") on the train to some Dutch girl sat in my seat. She thought I was German and then carried on talking to her friends in English after I sat down. Very entertaining :) Sep 23 11:36:25 Hmm, expense procedure looks like fun with lots of picture taking ;-) Sep 23 11:36:27 lardman: that's linux Sep 23 11:36:43 Jaffa: lol Sep 23 11:36:45 toy unix, just like real one, but made of recycled bits Sep 23 11:37:51 RST38h: well it's a bit of a critical problem, there must be some way of addressing it Sep 23 11:38:59 oom-killer Sep 23 11:39:55 Interestingly, my problems with modest & RSS auto-updates which went away at the summit are now back I'm in the UK. Which suggests that #3335 and #3542 are connected and somehow related to the network you're connecting to. Sep 23 11:41:03 johnx: yes, with a whitelist to avoid killing system components Sep 23 11:41:42 yup, that's what google's doing with android Sep 23 11:42:04 is there an oom-killer on the tablets? Is it used? Sep 23 11:42:08 yes, there is Sep 23 11:42:14 I believe most desktops will kill off processes eventually, but only when it gets really bad and the system is already dragged to a crawl Sep 23 11:42:25 I think the watchdog gives up long before that Sep 23 11:42:32 ~lart watchdog Sep 23 11:42:34 so we have a contention between the oom-killer lag and the watchdog timer Sep 23 11:42:56 one option would be for the watchdog to trigger the oom-killer before it reboots Sep 23 11:43:01 don't take my statements on this without a grain of salt, however Sep 23 11:43:34 * lardman gets out the cellar Sep 23 11:44:08 jeez, you don't need *that* much. the salt shaker on the table should be fine... Sep 23 11:44:32 :) Sep 23 11:45:32 Jaffa: I traced those down Sep 23 11:45:35 Yay for cultural gaps Sep 23 11:45:38 there's a neat intro to oom-killer Sep 23 11:45:45 Jaffa: Modest error is due to unstable connection Sep 23 11:45:53 http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer Sep 23 11:46:01 dsme will soon be open, does that contain the watchdog functionality? Sep 23 11:46:03 Jaffa: When connection is broken while modest is checking email it gets stuckat futex Sep 23 11:46:04 it should already be doing the right thing if it had a chance Sep 23 11:46:36 Jaffa: See and comment on bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3641 Sep 23 11:47:04 do the reboots only happen to those using swap? Sep 23 11:47:15 lardman: it is less critical than adding new eyecandy to Gnome Sep 23 11:47:17 or KDE Sep 23 11:47:33 RST38h: I like both, but only the nitty-gritty Sep 23 11:47:34 :) Sep 23 11:48:00 lardman: for reliable base OS, use BSD :) Sep 23 11:48:01 lardman, it can happen to anyone who has a process go berserk on them or just runs lots of tasks simultaneously Sep 23 11:48:22 RST38h, for something that supports the omap framebuffer, use linux? Sep 23 11:48:25 johnx: beserk process should be killed somehow anyway Sep 23 11:48:52 lardman, *should* Sep 23 11:48:57 RST38h: it seems odd that when at work and home modest will so reliably fail at auto-updating, even when everything else (iuncluding long-running SSH connections) have no problem. And that both RSS & modest would be affected by the same bug. Sep 23 11:49:02 well, that's something interesting to look at then :) Sep 23 11:49:32 i'm kinda wondering why people on embedded devices aren't taking more into consideration stuff like SIGSTOP/SIGCONT Sep 23 11:49:39 is a brilliant way to make a process sleep Sep 23 11:49:39 :P Sep 23 11:49:39 Jaffa: it is most likely an intermittent connection break Sep 23 11:50:05 Jaffa: SSH is pretty reliable in those cases: it won't break if there is no traffic at the moment of a temporary disconnect Sep 23 11:50:19 Stskeeps: sleep but retain its memory; the watchdog should be higher priority anyway Sep 23 11:50:32 johnx: Well, I don't think adding omap fb support is THAT difficult Sep 23 11:50:45 RST38h: interesting. I'll comment anyway Sep 23 11:50:47 johnx: just wasn't any need to port BSD to the tablets Sep 23 11:51:15 * RST38h often puts computer on standby, wakes it in 15 minutes, and the SSH session is still there Sep 23 11:52:50 RST38h, I'm just saying that linux has the leg up on BSD in terms of hardware support. Anyways, Nokia's watchdog is largely to blame in this case I think. BSD would be just as "unstable" with the same watchdog in place Sep 23 11:53:14 johnx: wouldn't exhaust memory Sep 23 11:53:43 that might not be the cause here though Sep 23 11:53:52 johnx: anyways, one plays cards he has been dealt. In our case, those are with tux on them Sep 23 11:54:12 * RST38h has seen desktop linux machines die after exhausting memory. Sep 23 11:54:21 RST38h, poorly coded user apps exist on both systems. If they gobble up memory and the watchdog kicks in before the oom-killer, what do you expect? Sep 23 11:54:45 Very nice impression of the Summit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiSGbCcfwvs Sep 23 11:54:56 Hmm, when a task dies, dsp_dld for example, is there a rule somewhere for how to restart it> Sep 23 11:54:57 Karoliina did a great thing ;) Sep 23 11:55:05 probably the oom-killer needs to act earlier. I think google's tweaks for android were aimed at this Sep 23 11:55:11 johnx: A decent OS should not let applications allocate more memory than it is safe to do Sep 23 11:55:27 johnx: Or the watchdog should be more flexible Sep 23 11:55:32 johnx: It would not require a special app to kill oom apps Sep 23 11:56:02 RST38h, I was under the impression that all modern OSes are over-committing, including BSD Sep 23 11:56:57 Interesting http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/30750 some processes are protected then, that's fine Sep 23 11:57:23 * jsmanrique restarts session to complete scratchbox installation Sep 23 11:57:31 sorry about vanishin si Sep 23 11:57:40 np Sep 23 11:58:00 ill let you know about what you asked Sep 23 11:58:06 cool Sep 23 11:58:54 did you see KotCzarny returned? Sep 23 11:59:46 I wasn't paying attention, sorry Sep 23 12:00:16 heh :) was surprised when i saw him back in chan - instantly back to his old line count potential ;) Sep 23 12:01:54 lunch time (aka try new adsl modem and talk to TV engineer) Sep 23 12:02:21 johnx: not sure - have not been inside the kernel for years now Sep 23 12:02:42 RST38h, google "oom-killer" BSD :) Sep 23 12:02:54 ! Sep 23 12:07:13 now here's something more interesting: tweaking the overcommit settings Sep 23 12:31:36 the n810's audio jack is a standard 3.5mm jack right? Sep 23 12:31:47 yup Sep 23 12:32:07 it support's a mic as well, though Sep 23 12:32:11 not just headphones Sep 23 12:32:13 liri, standard size, but it has additional connectors for mic connection Sep 23 12:33:05 * Jaffa catches up on ITT for the first time since Thursday, 1am GMT. Sep 23 12:40:21 alright Sep 23 12:40:27 because I'm checking for an FM transmitter Sep 23 12:41:41 I was thinking about this - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12844 Sep 23 12:41:48 any with a 3.5mm plug should do Sep 23 12:42:32 liri: seems pretty bare-bones.. most have adjustable 88-106 mhz Sep 23 12:43:18 glass: yeah but sound quality is really all that matters to me and this was has ratings of good sound quality Sep 23 12:44:17 haven't really noticed much difference in sound quality between models.. i got a belkin and my bro has some ipod attaching one Sep 23 12:44:26 the bitchy thing is to find a good freq Sep 23 12:45:10 well if the radio is like 2 meters away, how is that a problem? Sep 23 12:45:23 if the channel is occupied Sep 23 12:45:26 by a commercial channel Sep 23 12:45:58 how many commercial channels have you got? Sep 23 12:46:08 crapload? even in finland Sep 23 12:46:17 and the thing is, they're on different freqs in different cities Sep 23 12:46:18 Every 100kHz of the FM spectrum?!? Sep 23 12:46:32 but with frequency modulation, any station which transmits with the highest power gets cought Sep 23 12:46:49 actually, they interfere Sep 23 12:46:49 in practice it doesn't quite work like that Sep 23 12:46:56 so practically an fm transmitter which is 2 meters away from the antenna should have a higher power Sep 23 12:47:03 yep.. resulting in noise and mixing up Sep 23 12:47:15 FM is no silver bullet and that is why they keep distance between stations at 100kHz Sep 23 12:47:24 liri: also cars hull etc affect Sep 23 12:47:42 right, but the point is that there should be no issues with that Sep 23 12:47:55 but it's one of those things that I'm just going to have to buy and test Sep 23 12:48:25 also 107 sounds a bit high Sep 23 12:48:46 all the best stations are over 107 :) Sep 23 12:49:23 liri: also i find battery operation quite useful Sep 23 12:50:03 ah, finally, broadband working again Sep 23 12:50:29 cassette adapters sound better imho though(and are more practical and elegant) if your car has one.. Sep 23 12:51:05 i have the griffin itrip Sep 23 12:51:07 its ok Sep 23 12:51:17 sure there is a noticeable quality crap factor Sep 23 12:51:20 but it works Sep 23 12:51:23 I dont have a casette adapter, nowdays it's all about cds. Sep 23 12:51:31 * aquatix has aux in on his car stereo Sep 23 12:51:33 tigert: yeah, it is radio though Sep 23 12:51:37 yea Sep 23 12:51:40 its to be expected Sep 23 12:51:44 it works ok though Sep 23 12:52:09 aux input is probably the best solution Sep 23 12:52:14 aux is best Sep 23 12:52:15 of course Sep 23 12:52:17 plugs straight into your car stereo Sep 23 12:52:31 those cassette adapters are a nice second though Sep 23 12:57:05 Sacked Indian workers beat chief exec to death Sep 23 12:58:23 [not java programmers though] Sep 23 13:04:57 RST38h: Is that because Java programmers don't get involved in the low level stuff? ;) Sep 23 13:10:08 lardman: no, it's because nobody is giving them visas to where their execs are Sep 23 13:14:50 lol Sep 23 13:16:49 bbiam Sep 23 13:51:06 ping X-Fade Sep 23 13:51:23 melmoth: pong Sep 23 13:51:42 Nice. p.m.o and /news/ both 404ing Sep 23 13:51:57 Jaffa: Sure, service break. Sep 23 13:52:19 Yo X-Fade this is about bz3732 Sep 23 13:52:44 i do not understand how it can be a duplicate of bz3548 as this is related to application that never were in chinook in the first place Sep 23 13:52:50 melmoth: I have already corrected it :) Sep 23 13:52:55 may be i do not underestand bz3548 though Sep 23 13:52:57 melmoth: Was sleepy me ;) Sep 23 13:53:02 ok :) Sep 23 13:53:36 looks better. Thanks. Sep 23 13:53:50 X-Fade: ah, thought I saw an email about that, but couldn't remember Sep 23 13:54:03 Btw, we have discussed 3732 on the summit and when we fix the promoter to properly sigh and upload to the queue, this will be fixed. Sep 23 13:54:56 cool. Sep 23 13:55:20 meanwhile, i host the .install file on a separate machine. Sep 23 13:55:35 I guess there will aslo be a script of some sort to regenerate all missing .instal files ? Sep 23 13:55:37 melmoth: You can use the downloads section for that. Sep 23 13:55:59 melmoth: Just edit the application entry and add the code for the .install there. Sep 23 13:56:22 melmoth: Although we are in read-only mode at the moment, while we move to other servers. Sep 23 13:56:37 Fair enough. i ll try that out once the migration is completed Sep 23 14:03:42 hi all Sep 23 14:03:57 hey aladds Sep 23 14:04:04 how's it going? Sep 23 14:04:09 not too bad Sep 23 14:04:18 just making a cable to hook usb to my 770 Sep 23 14:04:25 ah fun stuff Sep 23 14:04:28 should i hook power both ways? Sep 23 14:04:34 or just to the device? Sep 23 14:04:53 there are a couple guides I think Sep 23 14:05:19 hmm Sep 23 14:05:19 * johnx has an n800 and some zauruses, but no 770 Sep 23 14:06:24 ah ok Sep 23 14:06:32 google 770 usb host cable Sep 23 14:06:37 there are a couple promising articles Sep 23 14:06:40 some zauruses :P Sep 23 14:06:49 a 5500 and a c1000 Sep 23 14:06:58 ah ok Sep 23 14:07:04 some sounds like more than 2 to me :P Sep 23 14:07:12 I'm open to more :) Sep 23 14:07:17 haha Sep 23 14:07:21 a c3000 might be nice Sep 23 14:07:33 with a HD? Sep 23 14:07:44 I'd swap the HD for a CF card Sep 23 14:11:10 cable made :) Sep 23 14:11:29 that was fast O_o Sep 23 14:11:42 * aladds is skilled in the art of soldering ;) Sep 23 14:11:57 now how do i ned to adjust software? Sep 23 14:11:59 *need Sep 23 14:12:03 i have a usb keyboard here Sep 23 14:16:51 ok, done the thing with the flasher Sep 23 14:17:56 * aladds notices that the caps lock light works Sep 23 14:18:19 notes doesn't seem to recognise the thing though Sep 23 14:19:20 hmm Sep 23 14:20:27 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/altkern/ Sep 23 14:20:29 There's a dupe. Sep 23 14:24:20 GeneralAntilles: ah, that reminds me - need to upload my mud-builder presentation to the wiki. The fact that I counted 10s of garage projects which solely exist to fork the build process and slightly patch one or two files was a point of one of the slides ;-) Sep 23 14:29:01 Jaffa: garage projects... someone should really clean them Sep 23 14:29:11 ^ Sep 23 14:29:42 Find all the ones that have been created, but haven't done anything. Sep 23 14:29:45 there are 'projects' like "xyz for maemo" which only cover xyz built for maemo Sep 23 14:29:53 email the admins to find out if they're still alive. Sep 23 14:30:17 Get people to give better details of the projects would be good Sep 23 14:31:24 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/nmap for example is useless Sep 23 14:31:50 Stskeeps: if you're there, would i have to disable usb network on deblet to use a usb keyboard? Sep 23 14:32:24 lardman, that certainly sounds like volunteering to write a description for https://garage.maemo.org/projects/council/ to me! Sep 23 14:32:31 aladds: yes Sep 23 14:32:41 ok Sep 23 14:32:42 aladds: unless you use a usb-ethenet dongle Sep 23 14:32:49 i don't no Sep 23 14:33:00 and i havn't got one either.. Sep 23 14:33:01 GeneralAntilles: no, you must have misheard me ;) Sep 23 14:33:25 although i do have a belkin wifi dongle, but it's MIMO, so probably doesn't have linux drivers.... Sep 23 14:33:50 wow, the community can save itself on SCM Sep 23 14:34:48 aladds, what does dmesg say? Sep 23 14:35:09 for deblet? Sep 23 14:35:26 for whatever you're trying to use the usb keyboard in :) Sep 23 14:35:51 is it acknowledging the keyboard? saying it needs to much power? Sep 23 14:36:48 johnx: woah Sep 23 14:36:56 dmesg is full of usb errors Sep 23 14:36:58 :P Sep 23 14:37:07 well, there's a start Sep 23 14:37:56 * aladds wonders if his cable is correct Sep 23 14:38:07 i cut an A-miniB in half Sep 23 14:38:11 and used the miniB half Sep 23 14:38:18 i guess it could be wired differently Sep 23 14:38:40 uhm, where's your external 5v coming from? Sep 23 14:38:43 GeneralAntilles: I'm going to - at some point very soon - followup to your email with the various council suggestions/discussions at the summit Sep 23 14:38:51 9v battery and a 7805 Sep 23 14:39:01 the keyboard's lights come on, the caps lock works Sep 23 14:39:03 well that sounds fine Sep 23 14:39:04 *then Sep 23 14:39:36 Jaffa, sounds good. Sep 23 14:40:21 GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m444d4c8b too long though Sep 23 14:41:33 bbiab, going to find coffee Sep 23 14:41:41 johnx: if host mode is set, should the keyboard just work? Sep 23 14:41:49 aladds, it should Sep 23 14:41:58 Jamie Bennett - name sounds familiar but who he is? Sep 23 14:42:17 hrw: baloo. Did the videoing and stuff at the summit. Stood for the council. Sep 23 14:42:24 thx Sep 23 14:42:26 is it the same error repeating? could you put it on pastebin (if it's convenient)? Sep 23 14:45:41 aha! Sep 23 14:45:44 hey Stskeeps, I have matchbox-keyboard acting like a dock in openbox Sep 23 14:45:45 it's semi working Sep 23 14:46:02 enter opens and closes the hildon keyboard Sep 23 14:46:19 but i can't actually type anything Sep 23 14:46:33 err...hmm os2006 Sep 23 14:46:41 arrow keys work too Sep 23 14:46:42 yeah Sep 23 14:46:45 wonder if there *was* something else for keyboards Sep 23 14:46:52 lardman|afk, "Maemo.org" tsk tsk. . . . Sep 23 14:46:54 johnx: woop Sep 23 14:47:13 johnx: obligatory screenshot :) Sep 23 14:47:15 Stskeeps, there's a commented section that was already there :) Sep 23 14:47:17 it seems to be doing only what it can anyway Sep 23 14:47:32 one problem...it's docked to the top of the screen -_-; Sep 23 14:47:44 F4 opens the menu Sep 23 14:47:49 GeneralAntilles: I did pastebin's "correct a typo thing" and it gave me a new URL. Bah. Sep 23 14:47:50 H5 is home Sep 23 14:47:53 *F5 Sep 23 14:47:58 johnx: could be worse.. Sep 23 14:48:10 Stskeeps, ok, it's worse Sep 23 14:48:15 window title bars show up behind it Sep 23 14:48:19 a Sep 23 14:48:20 h Sep 23 14:49:54 i wonder if this keyboard just has a wierd keymap Sep 23 14:49:56 still its good to know how its done so maybe we can prod h-i-m with it Sep 23 14:50:01 it is a "nano" one Sep 23 14:50:08 i guess MB might be better than h-i-m though as it supports not only gtk.. Sep 23 14:50:27 Stskeeps, also, it can support multiple languages with scim Sep 23 14:50:32 *nod* Sep 23 14:51:39 johnx: did you succeed with my installer btw? Sep 23 14:51:47 yup Sep 23 14:51:51 running that version of debian now Sep 23 14:52:02 did you change something with network-manager? Sep 23 14:52:06 it's working really well now Sep 23 14:52:39 i recompiled cx3110 sanely Sep 23 14:52:50 aah Sep 23 14:53:17 btw apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and you'll get a more tablet suited HAL Sep 23 14:53:36 (bumped the version so it overrides debian one) Sep 23 14:53:47 it is so much easier to push updates now :P Sep 23 14:53:54 * Jaffa also wants to do a blog post summarising everything hinted at for the next, and future, tablets - but'll wait for maemo.org to reawaken Sep 23 14:55:51 Stskeeps, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/awesome-keyboard.png Sep 23 14:56:31 I wonder why it lies so badly about its size... Sep 23 14:56:38 johnx: hehe, we're getting there i guess Sep 23 14:57:02 well, at least it's doing something different Sep 23 14:57:06 top does make more sense than bottom i guess cos there's a taskbar Sep 23 14:57:19 ... Sep 23 14:57:26 I'd be inclined to disagree Sep 23 14:57:48 if it's on top you can't see what you're typing Sep 23 14:57:55 especially if you're using thumbs Sep 23 14:58:15 hehe Sep 23 14:58:19 true Sep 23 14:58:49 I actually like OS2008's task bar on the left, keyboard on the bottom most of the time Sep 23 14:58:56 yeah, me too Sep 23 14:59:01 good compromise for mashing with fingers or stylus Sep 23 14:59:27 if I can make matchbox-keyboard give itself a WM_CLASS I think openbox could mangle it better Sep 23 15:06:34 so you reached the end of making h-i-m work possible? Sep 23 15:06:42 nope Sep 23 15:06:56 k Sep 23 15:06:57 well, without hacking the source, yes, I think so Sep 23 15:07:04 *nod* Sep 23 15:07:14 i'm leaving for the rest of the week for dublin tomorrow, probably won't be on Sep 23 15:07:37 alright, I'll poke along at this, see what I can get done Sep 23 15:08:15 have fun in dublin :) Sep 23 15:08:17 ta Sep 23 15:09:05 bringing my tablet with maemo mapper and trying out suspend-to-ram to avoid using so much battery (suspend.sh from http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800/suspend.sh) Sep 23 15:10:40 so if I see news about you being airlifted off a mountainside after getting lost, I'll know suspend.sh doesn't work? Sep 23 15:10:44 :P Sep 23 15:11:45 yup Sep 23 15:11:49 i don't have gps either Sep 23 15:12:01 so it's mainly for google streets :P Sep 23 15:15:07 heh, even delete orks Sep 23 15:15:09 *works Sep 23 15:15:32 Stskeeps: how can i get my usb keyboard to work properly in OS2006? Sep 23 15:15:36 :P Sep 23 15:16:09 oh nevermind it's working now Sep 23 15:16:12 how odd :P Sep 23 15:16:37 i have to use enter in x-term though, not return :-/ Sep 23 15:17:04 (which on this little guy, is Fn-Return) Sep 23 15:17:27 aladds: run 'xev' to check does it notice keys at all and if yes then does it have keymap for it Sep 23 15:17:42 aladds: in OS2006? no clue, does it work in deblet? :P Sep 23 15:17:49 aladds: I would not be suprised if you have working keyboard without working keymap Sep 23 15:18:05 Stskeeps: i think i need to disable the usb ethernet thing first in deblet? Sep 23 15:18:20 hrw: it works in X-Term Sep 23 15:18:22 aladds: yeah Sep 23 15:18:22 :P Sep 23 15:18:36 aladds: and i guess that's a bad thing at this point :P can't both be host and gadget Sep 23 15:18:54 heh true Sep 23 15:19:09 unless i could get a wifi or ethernet dongle to work with it? Sep 23 15:19:43 if you have a powered usb hub :P Sep 23 15:19:46 hrw: which package supplies xev? Sep 23 15:19:51 Stskeeps: i do yes Sep 23 15:19:55 aladds: we didn't even try wifi yet though Sep 23 15:20:04 should it work? Sep 23 15:20:17 on non-WPA/WEP i guess Sep 23 15:20:29 excellent! Sep 23 15:20:33 i use MAC filtering Sep 23 15:20:35 :P Sep 23 15:20:38 hehe Sep 23 15:20:43 aladds: x11-utils Sep 23 15:20:45 then edit /etc/network/interfaces i guess Sep 23 15:20:46 (and i love in the middle of nowhere) Sep 23 15:20:53 what is the best way to utilize the extra space from an external mmc on the n810? clone and boot from it? Sep 23 15:22:54 ~boot-sd Sep 23 15:23:14 https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Sep 23 15:23:28 Stskeeps: will enabling usb host mode hose gadget? Sep 23 15:23:41 well, *should* it? Sep 23 15:23:42 aladds: you have to find out how to do it on 770 cos i dunno :P Sep 23 15:23:46 what the hell is wrong with infobot? Sep 23 15:23:46 because it seems to do.... Sep 23 15:24:03 aladds, I believe it's one or the other on 770 Sep 23 15:24:08 and you switch with flasher Sep 23 15:24:10 crashanddie, diabetic coma. Sep 23 15:24:15 ouch Sep 23 15:24:33 lack of positive electrons? Sep 23 15:25:15 aladds: ./flasher --enable-usb-host-mode Sep 23 15:25:30 you mean disable :P Sep 23 15:26:02 no, enable Sep 23 15:26:24 why? Sep 23 15:26:29 i need gadget to get root Sep 23 15:26:33 ah Sep 23 15:26:47 thought you were plugging in stuff :P Sep 23 15:26:49 root terminal asks for a password on deblet Sep 23 15:26:55 for which i need a keyboard Sep 23 15:27:07 oh wait Sep 23 15:27:25 so if it's in host mode that disables gadget? Sep 23 15:27:28 yes Sep 23 15:27:36 oh Sep 23 15:27:39 ok then :P Sep 23 15:28:39 * aladds boots deblet with host mode enabled, and a usb keyboard attached Sep 23 15:29:02 it's a really cute little keyboard Sep 23 15:29:16 it's about 1.5x as wide as the 770 Sep 23 15:29:17 mardi__, who are you? Sep 23 15:29:57 aladds: you have the 770 connected to a powered usb hub? Sep 23 15:31:11 Stskeeps: no... Sep 23 15:31:24 i built a little battery box Sep 23 15:31:29 ah Sep 23 15:31:33 but i have a powered hub if i need it Sep 23 15:31:44 caps lock on the keyboard works Sep 23 15:31:51 but the xterm i just opened can't see it Sep 23 15:31:53 oh n900 is on the way: http://flickr.com/photos/mackarus/2872681082/sizes/l/ Sep 23 15:32:14 you might want to upgrade hal as that one is a little more tablet friendly Sep 23 15:32:21 it made the keyboard work on n810 Sep 23 15:32:28 Italodance, old news Sep 23 15:32:33 Italodance, and it won't be "n900" Sep 23 15:32:34 aha Sep 23 15:32:45 Italodance: That is no news. That was a presentation at the summit. Sep 23 15:32:57 so i need to disable host, connect to internet via gadget and apt-get upgrade && apt-get dit-upgrade? Sep 23 15:33:00 Uk Sep 23 15:33:09 oh Sep 23 15:33:16 mardi__, ? Sep 23 15:33:22 aladds: aye Sep 23 15:33:27 crashanddie do u have more? Sep 23 15:33:30 update and dist-upgrade Sep 23 15:33:49 oh yeah Sep 23 15:33:54 Italodance, I have plenty Sep 23 15:33:55 wait Sep 23 15:33:57 plenty what? Sep 23 15:34:19 'swhat i meant :P Sep 23 15:35:19 i connected a mini slim a4tech keyboard to my n800 and it worked like a boss Sep 23 15:35:27 i played games :) Sep 23 15:36:46 haha nice :) Sep 23 15:37:02 this little guy has a very strange layout though Sep 23 15:37:14 = is at the bottom right Sep 23 15:37:26 it works? Sep 23 15:37:32 [ and ] are to the right of the keyboard Sep 23 15:37:35 hehe Sep 23 15:37:49 it works on my mac :P Sep 23 15:38:02 oh :P Sep 23 15:38:19 770 is still updating Sep 23 15:38:51 how odd Sep 23 15:39:07 scroll lock and pause are brightness down and up :P Sep 23 15:40:41 F-keys Sep 23 15:40:44 it's nicer to type on than my belkin IR though Sep 23 15:40:54 F14 and F15 Sep 23 15:41:01 oh Sep 23 15:41:16 but no F13 :P Sep 23 15:41:29 Print Screen Sep 23 15:41:52 oh right Sep 23 15:41:56 well that means Sep 23 15:42:00 across the top Sep 23 15:42:08 i have esc, F1-8 Sep 23 15:42:19 then F9/F11, F10/F12 Sep 23 15:42:29 F14, F15 then F13 Sep 23 15:42:31 how sane Sep 23 15:42:32 :P Sep 23 15:43:36 on the plus side though, there's no windows logos in sight :) Sep 23 15:43:57 i imagine they ran out of space :P Sep 23 15:51:47 just fyi as we were talking about oom this morning: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8502 Sep 23 15:57:41 fuck... again I left my n800 with a full charge, and I woke up to it dead Sep 23 15:58:02 what did you leave running? Sep 23 15:58:13 pretty much nothing Sep 23 15:58:23 well, I once woke up with my n810 in reboot loop, had to reflash :) Sep 23 15:58:24 just omweather & search on the desktop Sep 23 15:58:29 Corrupt internal card? Sep 23 15:58:42 it _seems_ to be fine, how could I check, GeneralAntilles? Sep 23 15:59:26 I have advanced-backlight and the cpu monitor on the statusbar as well Sep 23 15:59:57 well, my bets are on CPU monitor...but that's just me Sep 23 16:00:11 Shouldn't be if it's up to date. Sep 23 16:00:36 it's up to date Sep 23 16:01:39 gregorovius, fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 Sep 23 16:04:26 do I have to umount /media/mmc2 first? Sep 23 16:05:47 yes Sep 23 16:10:36 fsck didn't say anything unusual Sep 23 16:12:51 ntp may be? Sep 23 16:15:34 bleh, I gotta go... no music for me today on the road =/ Sep 23 16:23:14 aha! now I realize why people were sad to lose sawfish in favor of metacity in gnome Sep 23 16:23:51 mm? Sep 23 16:24:01 is flexible? Sep 23 16:24:05 oh yes Sep 23 16:24:22 I can rewrite it's window handling on the fly...once I catch up on lisp Sep 23 16:24:33 hehe Sep 23 16:24:38 anyways, it also handles matchbox-keyboard right by default Sep 23 16:24:47 what about HIM? Sep 23 16:24:52 screenshot? ;) Sep 23 16:24:54 haven't tested Sep 23 16:25:00 fine, fine Sep 23 16:25:05 it's always screenshots with you :P Sep 23 16:25:09 <- screenshot whore Sep 23 16:28:49 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/awesome-keyboard2.png Sep 23 16:29:02 woop Sep 23 16:30:49 fwiw. mxr.maemo.org is back Sep 23 16:31:00 I'll hack more on this tomorrow morning and try to figure out a way to script sawfish to "do the right thing" Sep 23 16:31:19 there's hooks for *everything* Sep 23 16:31:23 i'll try to get at least one updated index for it sometime soon Sep 23 16:31:29 but i have ~2 days to do that Sep 23 16:31:38 because my vacation will start this week Sep 23 16:31:50 johnx: and i guess it's easy to patch the config Sep 23 16:32:14 Logo's ugly. Sep 23 16:32:34 Stskeepz, yeah, I think it should be easy to slip into the installer Sep 23 16:32:51 and it's not a worse WM than any other...just very, very different Sep 23 16:33:10 johnx: well, should be possible in a postinst, since we're dealing in packages now :) Sep 23 16:33:59 with the scripting features in this it should be totally doable to make h-i-m behave as well Sep 23 16:34:09 yeah Sep 23 16:34:21 how intensive is it? i guess lisp is simple :P Sep 23 16:34:37 to script? or memory/cpu intensive? Sep 23 16:34:41 cpu/memory Sep 23 16:34:50 top says 6% Sep 23 16:34:52 johnx: 770 or n8x0? Sep 23 16:34:59 hrw, n8x0 Sep 23 16:35:08 6% memory Sep 23 16:35:29 I'm not worried about CPU that much because there's not much space for users to move windows to...heh Sep 23 16:35:55 it's mainly just an advantage vs matchbox to let people have more than one window up at a time Sep 23 16:37:29 but sounds interesting when dealing with tablet environments.. flexibility certainly fits in my idea of how a tablet OS should act :P Sep 23 16:38:19 Stskeepz: tell that to people who start kde4 in maemo instead of instead of maemo... Sep 23 16:38:29 or ones which use debian in chroot instead of natively Sep 23 16:38:49 oh, i applaud that too really Sep 23 16:42:25 ok, typing on the default matchbox-keyboard layout is ridiculous Sep 23 16:42:59 indeed Sep 23 16:44:53 Stskeeps: I think that those persons just do not know what their tablets can do Sep 23 16:45:22 hrw: sometimes switching between maemo and debian in chroot can be handy though Sep 23 16:45:30 so i see the reason for it Sep 23 16:45:46 it's just about having the choice to do things :) Sep 23 16:46:31 johnx: i wonder if wicd is nicer for tablets.. Sep 23 16:46:39 'I want to run mc' 'here you have debian chroot with it' - nevermind that it will eat extra MB of ram... sd cards are cheap so swapping can be done... Sep 23 16:46:46 s/mc/any application Sep 23 16:47:15 hrw, building mc is easy. building other programs for a limited subset of users isn't always worth the time Sep 23 16:47:49 hrw: so you're against the mindset of hotpatching maemo instead of seeing the bigger problem? :P Sep 23 16:48:31 Stskeeps: I just prefer to run whole system on device instead of whole system inside of other system Sep 23 16:48:38 that's true Sep 23 16:49:11 hrw, I'm with you on that Sep 23 16:49:24 maemo would have been a hell lot more interesting if they followed debian updates really.. Sep 23 16:49:24 will have to test 2.6.27-rc + slc45xx driver one day Sep 23 16:49:43 Stskeeps: maemo is not debian Sep 23 16:50:08 I could still kick them for not staying closer to debian... Sep 23 16:50:25 it is just loosely based on debian Sep 23 16:50:32 i know, but if it was a deriative, and it followed basic updates and didn't destroy some central libraries with their changes porting would be a lot easier :P Sep 23 16:50:53 not quite Sep 23 16:51:10 there are still lot of closed components which you would have to keep Sep 23 16:51:29 ofcourse, and there are still spots for those in a debian deriative Sep 23 16:51:43 bye guys Sep 23 16:51:52 cya Sep 23 16:51:57 Stskeeps: *if* nokia would provide them updated to new libs... Sep 23 16:52:15 'later hrw Sep 23 17:05:32 * Stskeeps tries out wicd on deblet Sep 23 17:10:37 X-Fade, ping. Sep 23 17:10:44 dneary, ping. Sep 23 17:13:17 Stskeeps: usb keyboard works Sep 23 17:16:48 aladds: woop Sep 23 17:16:52 * Stskeeps removes wicd again Sep 23 17:17:29 Stskeeps, it's that awesome? Sep 23 17:17:43 johnx: division by zero over a bad signal strength.. Sep 23 17:17:44 :P Sep 23 17:18:00 wow... Sep 23 17:18:52 GeneralAntilles: Yup? Sep 23 17:19:18 dneary, I was considering scheduling an IRC meeting to discuss content stuff. Sep 23 17:20:09 johnx: thoughts on the G1? :) Sep 23 17:20:14 Yes! I'd like that Sep 23 17:20:25 summatusmentis, it looks pretty nice Sep 23 17:20:33 I'm going to have a tough time with scheduling this week, unfortunately Sep 23 17:20:41 How about next week? Sep 23 17:20:46 looking forward to open source android in october too Sep 23 17:21:08 I'm either taken (meetings, AGM of the crèche) or babysitting every evening this week Sep 23 17:21:17 Next week would be fine Sep 23 17:21:18 android phone + something tablet-like would be a pretty killer combo I think Sep 23 17:21:26 And earlier in the day this week would be fine Sep 23 17:21:57 johnx: what would an android phone not have that a tablet would? Sep 23 17:22:26 decent sized/resolution screen compared to the current gen tablets Sep 23 17:22:53 and future tablets (or tablet-like) things will have lots more power Sep 23 17:23:14 johnx: http://dev.openbossa.org/mamona/gitweb?p=mamona.git;a=tree;f=packages/networkmanager/files;h=fec16c38441af2231428c4699950cd1678bdf840;hb=HEAD <- some patches we might consider using Sep 23 17:23:16 dneary, I think next week will probably be good, since it'll give people some time to plan for it Sep 23 17:23:31 plus...here's the important part: it keeps my important device (phone) and my hackable device (tablet) physically separate... Sep 23 17:23:57 johnx: I kinda want a hackable phone, to be honest Sep 23 17:23:57 Stskeeps, oh, that does look nice Sep 23 17:24:12 dneary, I'll poke -community to see if there's a particular preference. Sep 23 17:24:12 light hacking would be ok Sep 23 17:24:13 summatusmentis, OpenMoko Sep 23 17:24:44 hackable *and* usable would be nice too Sep 23 17:24:46 but when I saw a hackable device that means it might be non-working as much as it's working Sep 23 17:24:58 johnx, I agree with you on that part, I love the fact I have a phone separated from my NIT Sep 23 17:25:17 anyway, time for cancer Sep 23 17:25:19 'later Sep 23 17:25:49 johnx: some of those patches would definately help battery life :P Sep 23 17:29:14 what the...? Sep 23 17:29:19 "Customers won't be able to attach the phone to a computer and use the phone like a modem to connect to the mobile network. It will come locked to T-Mobile, so users won't be able to connect the phone to another operator's mobile network." Sep 23 17:29:26 -- http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/151395/tmobile_google_and_htc_introduce_first_android_phone.html Sep 23 17:29:37 not really surprising Sep 23 17:30:07 I'm sure tethering will be figured out in short order and just be considered "against contract" Sep 23 17:30:08 as for a carrier lock...it's massively subsidized Sep 23 17:30:12 Stskeeps: so how about trying wireless? Sep 23 17:31:11 Putting kids to bed - place falling down Sep 23 17:32:07 aladds: umac.ko and cx3110x.ko exists in /lib/modules/2.6.16-27/? Sep 23 17:32:22 (did we install tablet-wireless?) Sep 23 17:32:24 Stskeeps: found a bug, screen dimming is only cancelled by tapping, not keyboard, but i can work around that for now Sep 23 17:32:26 we did yes Sep 23 17:32:38 k Sep 23 17:32:45 well, apt-get install network-manager-gnome Sep 23 17:32:46 :P Sep 23 17:32:51 and network-manager-gnome-showinall Sep 23 17:32:52 ah bugger Sep 23 17:32:58 actually Sep 23 17:33:02 go edit /etc/network/interfaces instead Sep 23 17:33:05 any way to get it working before? Sep 23 17:33:06 ok Sep 23 17:33:15 and then ifup wlan0 Sep 23 17:33:16 :P Sep 23 17:33:58 hrm Sep 23 17:34:03 tempting... Sep 23 17:34:17 no such device Sep 23 17:34:18 finally something interesting locked to a carrier I actually USE Sep 23 17:34:24 Ha Sep 23 17:34:29 You can't tether your tablet, though. Sep 23 17:34:35 meh Sep 23 17:34:38 annoying Sep 23 17:34:38 bu Sep 23 17:34:40 *but Sep 23 17:34:47 i do need a new phone <_< Sep 23 17:35:22 the sw is open source Sep 23 17:35:32 shouldn't take long for someone to add tethering... I hope Sep 23 17:35:52 GeneralAntilles, I'll bet tethering shows up within the week it's released Sep 23 17:36:15 how much does this thing cost? Sep 23 17:36:22 $180 with 2-year Sep 23 17:36:22 $179 on contract Sep 23 17:36:27 hrm Sep 23 17:36:36 I think my phone Sep 23 17:36:47 err... my current phone/contract thing is about up Sep 23 17:38:10 * StsN800 curses his home isp Sep 23 17:38:14 :( Sep 23 17:38:27 i know how you feel Sep 23 17:38:43 (thank god for gprs) Sep 23 17:38:53 heh Sep 23 17:39:09 The only thing I curse is johnx's mother Sep 23 17:39:31 Navi, hey. long time no see :D Sep 23 17:39:40 Yeah Sep 23 17:39:46 been dead? Sep 23 17:39:51 Nope Sep 23 17:39:54 StsN800: but ifup wlan0 didn't work Sep 23 17:40:00 I'm usually on freenode Sep 23 17:40:03 just not this channel Sep 23 17:40:08 Ever since KotCzarny left, it's been boring Sep 23 17:40:12 Navi fails hard at idling. Sep 23 17:40:28 However, since he's back, might as well come back and bother him as well Sep 23 17:40:29 Navi, still using your tablet? Sep 23 17:40:40 'o course Sep 23 17:40:53 aladds, paste me wlan0 part of interfaces in private Sep 23 17:41:05 (or on pastebin) Sep 23 17:42:21 aladds, would you run ifconfig wlan0 ? Sep 23 17:42:22 I'm hungry for some Ramen Sep 23 17:42:29 johnx, email some to me Sep 23 17:42:46 Navi, I'll have to put it on the scanner. one sec Sep 23 17:42:50 kk Sep 23 17:43:00 you have a 3D ramen printer, right? Sep 23 17:43:04 johnx: Device not found Sep 23 17:43:09 johnx, of course Sep 23 17:44:37 StsN800, 770 wireless is pretty different Sep 23 17:45:11 Navi, well it should be printing by now...but if you're 3D printer isn't up to date, I can't be held responsible... Sep 23 17:45:18 :( Sep 23 17:45:25 yeah, though i thought i built the right driver Sep 23 17:45:41 ah Sep 23 17:45:57 I needs ah comic readah Sep 23 17:46:12 GeneralAntilles, make one for me in perl Sep 23 17:46:27 Navi, I've been using image viewer on os2008 and gqview in debian/angstrom Sep 23 17:46:39 johnx, lol Sep 23 17:46:52 I've been using evince for my cbz/cbrs Sep 23 17:47:22 but evince is a hog Sep 23 17:47:24 Navi, I read like 8 volumes of deathnote in image viewer Sep 23 17:47:31 Hah Sep 23 17:47:40 it's not bad really Sep 23 17:47:45 I know Sep 23 17:47:55 image viewer is fine Sep 23 17:48:16 I like having continuous scroll and a constant fit-to-width though Sep 23 17:48:56 gqview will do that on debian/angstrom Sep 23 17:49:01 Evince likes to cache images to the point where malloc fails and totally segfaults Sep 23 17:49:18 brilliant Sep 23 17:49:18 Haven't used debian on the tablet in a while :P Sep 23 17:49:41 Like, since you last saw me :P Sep 23 17:49:44 hmm, that may explain why i have evince die on me when i read image heavy pdf's... Sep 23 17:49:53 :D Sep 23 17:49:59 It'll cache pages as well Sep 23 17:50:09 Only way to avoid that is to turn off continuous scroll Sep 23 17:50:15 ok... Sep 23 17:50:18 but then you're fucked when you can't turn the page in full screen mode Sep 23 17:50:20 Navi, Stskeeps made a new fancy installer. It's pretty awesome these days now that someone un-lazy is putting work into it :P Sep 23 17:50:32 johnx, Hah Sep 23 17:50:42 installers are lame Sep 23 17:50:50 Navi: top or bottom tap, special mode and left or right dpad... Sep 23 17:51:01 t_s_o, really? Sep 23 17:51:04 didn't know that Sep 23 17:51:10 thanks :D Sep 23 17:51:21 what bothers me more is that there is no simple way to jump to page number while full screen... Sep 23 17:51:30 Navi: the installer is lame but the packages and methods that it installs is cool :P Sep 23 17:51:43 :P Sep 23 17:51:47 Navi, this one does a genuine debian debootstrap and leaves you with a real install, not some half-assed preconfigured tarball like I was doing Sep 23 17:51:56 Navi: special mode use the +- to do page flips... Sep 23 17:52:00 coo Sep 23 17:52:05 t_s_o, mmk Sep 23 17:52:18 and is accessed by hitting center dpad Sep 23 17:52:25 anyways, I need to catch some sleep. 'night all. I'll look at sawfish/matchbox-keyboard tomorrow morning (afternoon at this rate) Sep 23 17:52:29 I always wondered what that was Sep 23 17:52:33 johnx, night Sep 23 17:52:56 works ok for most ebooks that dont try to stuff to much text onto individual pages. just rotate left or right one time ;) Sep 23 17:53:38 I just use the PDF viewer that comes with the tablet for viewing pdfs Sep 23 17:54:04 evince really is a memory/cpu whore with large files Sep 23 17:54:55 * moontige1 shoots moontiger Sep 23 17:54:59 *sigh* Sep 23 17:55:12 /msg nickserv ghost moontiger Sep 23 17:55:23 the moment i disconnect my gprs cos my home net is up again.. it goes down. Sep 23 17:55:29 password is optional if moontige1 is linked to moontiger Sep 23 17:56:11 :) Sep 23 17:56:26 thnx :) Sep 23 17:56:36 been a while since i used irc much Sep 23 18:13:15 welll..moo. Sep 23 18:13:21 I am trying to understand why PulseAudio is stated as a esd+alsa replacement. Sep 23 18:14:03 is oss back in the picture (open sound system) or are there PulseAudio kernel drivers thingies? Sep 23 18:15:04 I switched to OSS on my desktop, alsa annoyed me for the last time Sep 23 18:19:47 what is the problem with alsa anyway? Sep 23 18:20:02 Isn't it available with the same API as OSS? Sep 23 18:20:32 RST38h: no , oss (As I know it) is far more simple Sep 23 18:20:46 (API wise) Sep 23 18:21:04 but they both support /dev/dsp right? Sep 23 18:21:25 alsa support /dev/dsp using a emultation layer Sep 23 18:21:45 "real" alsa doesn't use /dev/dsp but something like /dev/snd/card0 Sep 23 18:21:54 oh Sep 23 18:22:22 dsp had fixed amount of mixers while alsa goes whild Sep 23 18:23:53 well ac97 allows up to 4 streams in hw Sep 23 18:24:14 although somebody at this channel complained that HIS ac97 hw only has 1 Sep 23 18:24:26 I've often gotten much better results using ALSA's OSS emulation than using native ALSA support directly. Sep 23 18:24:43 Because most programmers don't know how to use ALSA. Sep 23 18:27:04 derf: alsa IS complex, and really almost requires you to use the userland alsalib and tools (alsa-utils) Sep 23 18:27:48 I don't think many people (not only programmers) know how to use ALSA Sep 23 18:28:02 I agree. Sep 23 18:28:30 But I mean, software written to use OSS is much more likely to work than software written to use ALSA, even if you're just using the OSS emulation layer. Sep 23 18:30:00 * RST38h once again asks the Deep Ones to make Nokia implement /dev/dsp (or pcm or audio) in Maemo Sep 23 18:30:18 No need to use crufty linux shit Sep 23 18:30:56 I understand your reluctance to use something linux specific on a linux tablet... Sep 23 18:31:00 :D Sep 23 18:31:31 (hey, I'm all for it, there is no love lost between me and alsa) Sep 23 18:31:51 you do not understand my reluctance to figure out dozens of badly documented, quirky APIs Sep 23 18:32:38 Why did NetBSD people implement /dev/pcm0 from scratch and forgot about this problem forever? Sep 23 18:32:41 aladds, any luck? Sep 23 18:33:12 StsN800: nope :( Sep 23 18:34:51 just using /dev/dsp is not enough (you need to multiplex sound etc) and this is a real weakness of the "simple" aproach Sep 23 18:35:51 keesj: I do not need to multiplex sound Sep 23 18:35:53 aladds, did you cp in umac too? Sep 23 18:35:56 I want to hear it play. Sep 23 18:36:09 StsN800: i did yes Sep 23 18:36:34 aladds, thats really weird Sep 23 18:36:38 If you mean mixing, a lot of audio hardware will do it internally. If not, it is not that difficult to do. Sep 23 18:36:58 <||cw> RST38h: if you have multiple things with the sound channels open, even if they aren't actively playing sound, you are still multiplexing Sep 23 18:37:23 <||cw> a lot of audio "hardware" these days is actually software Sep 23 18:37:33 <||cw> it's done in the drivers Sep 23 18:37:56 <||cw> and multiplexing and mixing are effectively the same thing Sep 23 18:38:19 StsN800: yeah Sep 23 18:39:03 <||cw> mixing implies that you are controlling the levels of each input, multiplexing implies that you are leting each input do it's own thing and just combining the streams Sep 23 18:40:40 I take it all back, nvidia-xconfig is good Sep 23 18:40:51 http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/23/sandisk-ships-16gb-300x-extreme-iv-compactflash-card/ Sep 23 18:40:53 Good god Sep 23 18:41:31 <||cw> yeah Sep 23 18:41:38 derf: ping Sep 23 18:41:39 <||cw> price is too high though Sep 23 18:41:43 lardman: Pong. Sep 23 18:42:21 derf: There are a fair few copies in find_spectral_pitch(), is it worth moving the whole fn? Sep 23 18:43:49 General: Yes, but what should I do with the 8GB card?=) Sep 23 18:45:48 derf: not that the copies make much odds, just that the entire fn could probably be optimised Sep 23 18:45:56 lardman: I am thinking maybe we should just move the whole codec overall. Sep 23 18:46:14 * lardman is scared Sep 23 18:46:27 That way the data transfer is on the order of a few dozen bytes in, and it could in theory output directly to the soundcard. Sep 23 18:46:47 unfortunately we lack a way of direct output atm Sep 23 18:46:48 Can the DSP sample directly from the mic? Sep 23 18:46:56 Oh, I thought that was already worked out. Sep 23 18:47:06 no, needs some reverse engineering Sep 23 18:47:19 regarding the mic, again, needs some reverse engineering Sep 23 18:48:26 Well, that sucks. Sep 23 18:48:46 yeah, but I imagine someone will step up if we have something to output Sep 23 18:48:51 But, even so, it would still be less data transfer to do the whole codec than just the FFT. Sep 23 18:49:04 agreed Sep 23 18:49:13 Since we're talking 128 to 512-sample frames. Sep 23 18:49:37 so, is there a test fn somewhere? Sep 23 18:49:44 RST38h, put it in the camera bag? Sep 23 18:49:53 which I can wrap and at least see if the code will compile on the DSP? Sep 23 18:50:04 testcelt.c Sep 23 18:50:13 ah-ha Sep 23 18:50:52 Needs FILE I/O, though. Sep 23 18:51:03 Not sure what the DSP provides in that regard. Sep 23 18:51:41 derf: File IO will need to be abstracted to reads from the ARM side via buffers Sep 23 18:52:01 General: Not a bad idea Sep 23 18:52:20 lardman: I assumed something like that. But that's just for testcelt.c. It's obviously abstracted everywhere else. Sep 23 18:52:21 RST38h, I've got an old 512MB that I just keep in the camera bag or my pocket. Sep 23 18:52:30 and eventually the 2GB I'm using now will move there, too. Sep 23 18:52:44 General: have got a few 1GB ones, not using them though... Sep 23 18:52:53 Sorta like extra rolls of film from the bad old days. Sep 23 18:52:55 gave one away to a guy who bought E51 Sep 23 18:52:55 derf: the question is really where to split the code Sep 23 18:53:20 It's interesting, ~200 shots is perfectly acceptable when you're using an SD500 Sep 23 18:53:27 you'll practically never fill it. Sep 23 18:53:30 derf: celt_encode()/decode() is ideal, depending on what setup is needed Sep 23 18:53:41 When you're using a DSLR on the other hand. Sep 23 18:53:46 That'll maybe last you 30 minutes. . . . Sep 23 18:53:51 lardman: Right. I think that should be possible. Sep 23 18:53:52 General: *video*. Sep 23 18:54:05 I never shoot video. Sep 23 18:54:10 Fills those cards pretty fast Sep 23 18:54:30 General: We have got a toddler. It is not possible NOT to shoot video of a toddler Sep 23 18:54:44 Hehe Sep 23 18:54:48 * GeneralAntilles doesn't have any of those. Sep 23 18:55:53 derf: looks like celt_mode_create() is needed too Sep 23 18:56:06 derf: could that be called in an init fn, or does it require data from the stream? Sep 23 18:56:21 General: that's temporary. Sep 23 18:57:06 RST38h, don't scare me, please. :P Sep 23 18:57:31 http://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/0001dchq Sep 23 18:57:59 lardman: It needs the basic setup parameters. Sep 23 18:58:03 General: at some point you will discover (with a certain measure of disgust) that this thought no longer scares you =) Sep 23 18:58:12 Right now those are all just agreed on in advance (e.g., not in the stream). Sep 23 18:58:17 Homeowner?! Sep 23 18:58:21 derf: they could just be passed over in a struct though I guess? Sep 23 18:58:26 lardman: Yes. Sep 23 18:58:32 ok Sep 23 18:58:50 With a name like that, I would commit suicide. Sep 23 18:58:53 50/50 either he gave a fake name or the editing crew made it up. Sep 23 19:01:06 according to google, he has already got quite a following Sep 23 19:01:15 derf: what are the amounts of data passed in per call of *_encode()/_decode()? Sep 23 19:01:23 and passed out for that matter Sep 23 19:02:05 lardman: One packet. So 10 to 200 bytes encoded, 128 to 512 samples decoded. Sep 23 19:02:14 Typical values are, e.g., 43/256. Sep 23 19:02:29 the variability is not per packet but depends on the setup params? Sep 23 19:02:34 Correct. Sep 23 19:02:43 cool, makes life easier Sep 23 19:02:46 Sorry, getting pulled into a meeting. Sep 23 19:02:58 np, I'll have a hack and see what I can do this evening Sep 23 19:03:10 catch you later, or tomorrow same time Sep 23 19:03:22 Bye, lardman. Sep 23 19:03:30 Oh Sep 23 19:03:32 Nevermind Sep 23 19:03:36 * GeneralAntilles lerns2reed Sep 23 19:03:40 GeneralAntilles: Just 'cos I'm hacking I won't disappear! :) Sep 23 19:03:40 Bye, derf. Sep 23 19:03:53 I thought you were a little slow on the /quit. ;) Sep 23 19:04:05 lardman: depends on what you are hacking into Sep 23 19:04:24 lardman, did you see the Beagle DSPBridge stuff I linked? Sep 23 19:04:28 lardman: powerlines and gas pipes immediately come to mind... Sep 23 19:05:15 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto Sep 23 19:05:45 GeneralAntilles: thanks Sep 23 19:05:50 RST38h: :P ;) Sep 23 19:06:03 lardman, you should find some ins with some TI DSP folks. Sep 23 19:06:43 Not sure whether to get a Beagleboard or something like a Pandora, would prefer something portable Sep 23 19:07:19 Well, £199 for the Pandora in November Sep 23 19:07:29 yeah right, if it arrives :) Sep 23 19:07:34 $149 for the Beagle now. Sep 23 19:07:49 Waiting on new silicon from TI Sep 23 19:08:47 * lcuk just had to take the bathroom apart Sep 23 19:09:00 http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/efab9673eb35208b Sep 23 19:09:05 You flush your tablet? Sep 23 19:09:05 now ive rebuilt it, the toilet flushes at 25fps :D Sep 23 19:09:10 so somewhere from £88-105 Sep 23 19:09:28 bbiam, more wine needed Sep 23 19:09:50 lcuk: probably the gasket at the bottom of the flush mechanism Sep 23 19:10:01 it wasnt the toilet actually :) Sep 23 19:10:09 ah =) Sep 23 19:10:17 oh, tablet down the sink? Sep 23 19:10:28 GAN: It has to be all that bacon. Sep 23 19:10:31 no pennies - but the problem is further downstream Sep 23 19:11:06 i think theres a family of beavers setting up hom at the y connector between bath and sink outlet Sep 23 19:11:19 * lcuk cannot remember going into 'plumbing though Sep 23 19:11:22 #plumbing Sep 23 19:11:23 Hrm, I can legally drink in about 20 days Sep 23 19:11:31 Creeps me out Sep 23 19:11:35 why? Sep 23 19:11:44 you shouldv seen how rat arsed rm_you got Sep 23 19:11:51 So I heare Sep 23 19:11:53 he fell asleep on the toilet Sep 23 19:11:58 he'll forever lose his opprtunity to drink illegally, that's why Sep 23 19:12:07 lardman: why choose? Sep 23 19:12:09 and slid down the wall onto the floor in mcdonalds Sep 23 19:12:11 I told jott he should've left him in one of the conference rooms. Sep 23 19:12:24 he was hammered :D Sep 23 19:12:45 * lcuk doesnt know which tablet to use tonight Sep 23 19:12:52 lcuk, I feel old or something. Sep 23 19:13:10 yer, 21 is strange, you feel grown up, but not old Sep 23 19:13:15 or you shouldnt Sep 23 19:14:59 ponders writing a bit of code Sep 23 19:15:13 lcuk: poor boy, rm_you Sep 23 19:15:34 lard, it was when you lot were all ircing in the same room Sep 23 19:15:39 * lardman has been told he doesn't need any more wine Sep 23 19:15:40 rm was just totally zoned out Sep 23 19:15:49 hahaha - go holly Sep 23 19:16:08 still am tempted by something alcoholic Sep 23 19:16:13 * lcuk teases lardman for bein under the thumb Sep 23 19:16:28 Ha Sep 23 19:16:33 :p Sep 23 19:16:36 :) Sep 23 19:17:11 i got tracy a swatch watch from germany - she really wasnt expecting it since i asked for her shoe size earlier in the day :D Sep 23 19:17:40 * lcuk had also sent pictures of the CLOSED swatch watch shop Sep 23 19:18:32 lardman, it was really strange - i had seen all these shops and things when i came over last time - goin back to the same area (just down the road from the zoo) and seeing everything again was great Sep 23 19:18:47 is "not expecting" here a good thing - shoes vs watch, I know which Holly would prefer :D Sep 23 19:19:46 cunning plan, ask for a shoe size, and also gather 1000s of data points about how shoe size relates to wrist size amongst humans Sep 23 19:22:10 lol lardman, tracy wants both Sep 23 19:22:24 she doesnt know but i was just gonna get her toe socks ;) Sep 23 19:22:34 do people really feel grown up? Sep 23 19:22:39 i could not ever buy her shoes i wouldnt get her the ones she wanted Sep 23 19:23:02 I know what you mean, nor could I bear to part with so much money for so little substance :) Sep 23 19:23:07 its like if holly went out to tech shop to buy you a new computer - she would come back with a 486 or somethin Sep 23 19:23:34 true, know our strengths and weaknesses Sep 23 19:23:49 If only they could hear you now... Sep 23 19:24:11 tracy knows Sep 23 19:24:18 * Now talking on ##cooking Sep 23 19:24:18 (restorer) hm, tuna sperm Sep 23 19:24:28 she says the same thing, but then slaps me when i DONT buy her em Sep 23 19:25:29 easy solution, buy the wrong ones and a receipt Sep 23 19:25:46 from germany Sep 23 19:25:57 i suppose it gets another holiday Sep 23 19:28:43 * lardman wonders why he can't listen to mp3s Sep 23 19:29:33 on your 810? Sep 23 19:29:35 bad mp3s? Sep 23 19:29:50 one thing I learned from working some on audacious is just how bloody fragile mp3s are Sep 23 19:29:50 gone deaf? Sep 23 19:30:03 er. mp3 libraries Sep 23 19:30:15 on PC, I bet something has locked the sound output Sep 23 19:30:17 mp3s are like HTML - everyone seems to have a new way to write them incorrectly Sep 23 19:30:18 yer, i find they get all caught up in the player and you have to pull out all the bits and they unwind onto the floor Sep 23 19:30:37 this is actually the best quote ever... Sep 23 19:30:38 [20:23] (crashanddie) * Now talking on ##cooking Sep 23 19:30:38 [20:23] (crashanddie) (restorer) hm, tuna sperm Sep 23 19:30:38 [20:23] (lcuk) she says the same thing, but then slaps me when i DONT buy her em Sep 23 19:31:16 crashanddie, i thought my mind was bad Sep 23 19:31:34 lcuk, I'm not your average perverted joe Sep 23 19:32:02 no, you are in a league of your own Sep 23 19:32:14 Hell yeah ! Sep 23 19:35:49 errordeveloper Sep 23 19:35:59 now that's an inspiring nickname Sep 23 19:36:08 just like mine :D Sep 23 19:36:42 Anybody have any useful analysis on what the Linux Foundation gold-level sponsorship actually means? Sep 23 19:37:00 i bet bein an errordeveloper is really rewarding. "Yeah, this week, I've been working on error 429. its gonna be massive - everyones gonna have it" Sep 23 19:38:16 haha :D Sep 23 19:39:24 GeneralAntilles, $100,000k donation Sep 23 19:39:36 * lardman wonders why getting a2dp to work is such a pita Sep 23 19:40:07 whats wrong with it lard? i thought you had completed that mission? Sep 23 19:40:36 yeah, it's just getting Bluez to not complain about something or other Sep 23 19:41:13 its quite a lengthy chain of components from having the mp3 on disk to having it in your ear isnt it Sep 23 19:41:34 GeneralAntilles, and they get a vote in the election of 3 seats in the council Sep 23 19:41:38 or something like that Sep 23 19:41:40 yeah and the N810 assumes I want hands-free audio by default Sep 23 19:41:52 hands-free? Sep 23 19:41:58 hsp Sep 23 19:42:02 headset profile Sep 23 19:42:02 crashanddie, yeah, but what does it MEAN. Sep 23 19:42:11 ahhh, but what do you want it as Sep 23 19:42:17 GeneralAntilles, what do you mean? Sep 23 19:42:19 a2dp Sep 23 19:42:31 advanced audio distribution profile iirc Sep 23 19:42:32 There must be some additional significance. Sep 23 19:42:36 GeneralAntilles, they donated and have given financial support to an organisation Sep 23 19:42:59 anyway, wired headphones have their place (when I have something better to do than arsing about with bluez) Sep 23 19:43:31 advanced audio distortion profile Sep 23 19:43:41 morning everyone Sep 23 19:43:43 mornin kot Sep 23 19:44:03 what's so bad about a wire? Sep 23 19:44:04 ./kcup.sh Sep 23 19:44:16 GeneralAntilles, there's 3 levels, silver, gold and platinum. Platinum get a seat, no matter what, gold get a vote for 3 chairs, and silver get a vote for 1 chair Sep 23 19:44:24 crashanddie, luck, nevermind. Sep 23 19:44:31 GeneralAntilles, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Bylaws Sep 23 19:44:34 You aren't telling me more than I already know. :P Sep 23 19:44:36 lcuk: i'm still in wakeup mode Sep 23 19:44:39 GeneralAntilles, everything's explained in there Sep 23 19:44:47 mavhc: my DSP task is sat there not able to perform ;) Sep 23 19:44:52 bloody long sleep you had mate :) Sep 23 19:45:01 GeneralAntilles, "If you're not getting the right answer, it's probably because you're not asking the right question" Sep 23 19:45:06 extremely pleased to see you return anyway Sep 23 19:45:09 sleep is essential Sep 23 19:45:13 lardman: Sounds like a personal problem to me. Sep 23 19:45:39 crashanddie, likely, but I don't feel like pursuing the question farther. :P Sep 23 19:45:57 your loss Sep 23 19:45:58 NOOB Sep 23 19:46:01 :D Sep 23 19:46:13 derf: :p Sep 23 19:46:48 oh no, lethal bizzle is next on the playlist Sep 23 19:46:56 yer lardman, shames theres no tablets you can take for your problem Sep 23 19:47:01 where is qwerty anyway Sep 23 19:47:14 holiday? school? Sep 23 19:47:20 grounded? Sep 23 19:47:25 I'll take an n900 if anyone can prescribe one Sep 23 19:48:35 is it announced already? Sep 23 19:49:00 no, just re the tablet to take Sep 23 19:49:04 :) Sep 23 19:50:56 :D Sep 23 19:50:58 The servers certainly don't _seem_ faster, did the upgrade actually happen? Sep 23 19:51:02 oh dear Sep 23 19:51:06 ff Sep 23 19:51:18 * lardman must delete that track Sep 23 19:51:57 why whats up wiv it Sep 23 19:52:08 hmm Sep 23 19:52:12 :) Sep 23 19:57:18 aladds: is there a wlan-cal thing in initfs? Sep 23 19:57:28 anyone wanting to play uno? Sep 23 19:59:33 Stskeeps: booting it up in non-host mode Sep 23 19:59:44 re Sep 23 20:00:01 Hello, Jaffa. Sep 23 20:00:03 Stskeeps: where would it be? Sep 23 20:00:33 Stskeeps: yes there is Sep 23 20:00:35 I guess not then Sep 23 20:00:37 dunno where Sep 23 20:00:48 i did ls -lR | grep wlan-cal Sep 23 20:00:54 and i got an entrl Sep 23 20:00:56 entry Sep 23 20:01:05 but it didn't give me a path... Sep 23 20:01:28 find is better Sep 23 20:01:34 assuming it's on initrd Sep 23 20:01:45 derf: what's with the random encoding/decoding? Sep 23 20:01:56 lardman: Hmm? Sep 23 20:02:07 aladds: chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal Sep 23 20:02:16 oh! Sep 23 20:02:21 now i know why it won't load Sep 23 20:02:22 damnit Sep 23 20:02:23 derf: in the test program Sep 23 20:02:30 aladds: we forgot to copy in firmware Sep 23 20:02:35 :) Sep 23 20:02:37 lardman: What random encoding/decoding? Sep 23 20:03:06 if (argc==9 && rand()%1000 /* This is to simulate packet loss */ Sep 23 20:03:32 It's to simulate packet loss. Sep 23 20:03:39 hmm, me can't read Sep 23 20:03:42 btw, for the cx3110x people.. i ran into http://islsm.org/~jb/islsm/ <- isn't this a reverse engineering of the 770 chip? Sep 23 20:03:49 I though one said encode and the other decode Sep 23 20:03:54 (look at readme) Sep 23 20:04:08 There's one that's commented out that says Sep 23 20:04:09 /* This is for simulating bit errors */ Sep 23 20:04:27 don't worry, am just going mad Sep 23 20:04:28 break time, CSI, bbiab Sep 23 20:04:34 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/d16acfbce Sep 23 20:04:40 gonna watch heroes tonight Sep 23 20:05:14 aladds: that's fine, ta Sep 23 20:05:16 aladds: sec Sep 23 20:05:19 kk Sep 23 20:06:48 aladds: there's a /lib/firmware or /lib/hotplug on initfs, isn't there? Sep 23 20:08:25 aladds: usr/lib/hotplug/firmware# Sep 23 20:09:31 mkdir -p /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and copy the files in there on initfs to the deblet partition Sep 23 20:15:31 aladds: you don't happen to be a Makefile type of person? Sep 23 20:15:46 Woohoo! I think https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=945&action=view may crack #3542 Sep 23 20:18:31 derf: Ah, I'm not going completely mad, I did see an encode and a decode, which one do you want? Sep 23 20:18:46 lardman|tv: Both! Sep 23 20:18:54 de-encode Sep 23 20:18:55 :) Sep 23 20:18:57 ok, I was wondering about that :) Sep 23 20:19:14 lardman|tv: The whole point of CELT is that it is for extremely low-latency two-way communication. Sep 23 20:20:14 So each side is running both an encoder and a decoder. Sep 23 20:20:32 ok Sep 23 20:20:51 you want the rmsd value computed too - an error metric? Sep 23 20:21:39 That's mostly just for debugging. Sep 23 20:22:17 I'm assuming you'll be wanting to compile with FIXED_POINT, in any case. Sep 23 20:22:19 I suppose that can be done on the arm side Sep 23 20:22:22 yep Sep 23 20:29:39 aladds: anyway once you've put firmware in right place the module should be more loadable :P Sep 23 20:29:55 Other yay! Fixed my broken browser without a reflash :-) Sep 23 20:32:26 w000t jaffa Sep 23 20:34:58 * crashanddie burps and opens beer Sep 23 20:36:51 Jaffa, :D Sep 23 20:36:58 * moontiger finishes lunch Sep 23 20:37:27 * Jaffa updates wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update with how :-) Sep 23 20:38:18 this might be a noob question, but dows os 2008 allow x11 forwarding from the device? Sep 23 20:38:35 algerion, if you install xauth Sep 23 20:38:36 yeah Sep 23 20:38:51 ah Sep 23 20:38:56 lcuk, just wondering, do the debian build scripts in your svn repo actually work, or are they just there? Sep 23 20:39:19 you mean to build a package? Sep 23 20:39:38 or random ones in the package folder amongst the other packaging stuff Sep 23 20:39:50 Yes, the build scripts in your liqbase svn :P Sep 23 20:40:00 yes, it will build a package Sep 23 20:40:11 but i was not happy with many things Sep 23 20:40:12 mmk Sep 23 20:40:24 and i know once this catches on there will be a LOT of data created in the wrong place Sep 23 20:40:37 heh Sep 23 20:40:41 so i went away and built more stuff Sep 23 20:40:57 Shit. Arse. Had to log out of the wiki becuase of a "loss of session data"; copied the edit to my clipboard, and had overcopied it by the time I'd logged back in. Sep 23 20:41:10 and now im in the same boat again, i have more files scattered - i really dont like the linux fs Sep 23 20:41:20 :P Sep 23 20:41:37 lcuk, wrong Sep 23 20:41:38 Now, that's just blasphemy. Sep 23 20:41:45 you don't like files scattered by make install Sep 23 20:41:49 :) Sep 23 20:42:11 once you package them Sep 23 20:42:17 it's not a problem anymoer :) Sep 23 20:42:21 *anymore Sep 23 20:42:22 yer i suppose, but with so many expected locations and so much stuff i wouldnt know Sep 23 20:42:32 how many? Sep 23 20:42:35 libs go to libs Sep 23 20:42:39 but it is - i need at least 2 layers for data trees Sep 23 20:42:41 shared data to share Sep 23 20:42:45 bins to bin Sep 23 20:42:47 its data - all still in one exe Sep 23 20:42:48 :) Sep 23 20:42:53 and that's all Sep 23 20:43:18 well, config files can go to etc too Sep 23 20:43:27 and includes go to include Sep 23 20:43:36 how not to love it :) Sep 23 20:43:53 yer, ill run over it with you over the next couple of days if you are avail :) Sep 23 20:44:00 sure Sep 23 20:44:01 :) Sep 23 20:44:14 ill let you know where i got up to and stuff - i think ive handled the worst of it Sep 23 20:44:36 did you keep runnin the old build on your lappy? Sep 23 20:44:50 not much reading for me Sep 23 20:44:59 i'm mostly coding Sep 23 20:45:03 you will have to let us know what you have been upto Sep 23 20:45:08 so it's mcedit + www for me Sep 23 20:48:07 hm, anyone has an idea what caused libedje0 and such to install on my tablet? Sep 23 20:48:18 some theme maybe? Sep 23 20:48:29 there was some command to check what pkg file belongs to Sep 23 20:48:31 hmm Sep 23 20:48:46 dpkg -S Sep 23 20:48:54 but that's not what i want to know ;) Sep 23 20:49:05 * aquatix was wondering what caused the install of those package Sep 23 20:49:08 +s Sep 23 20:49:22 can you list what depends on it? Sep 23 20:49:42 aquatix: canola? Sep 23 20:49:50 uninstalling says `python2.5-etk' Sep 23 20:49:57 Stskeeps: hm, could be indeed Sep 23 20:50:14 weird that it doesn't list canola2 in Uninstalling then Sep 23 20:50:36 only a bunch of libs (libetk* efl-core etc) Sep 23 20:58:04 hm, it refuses do uninstall libecore0 Sep 23 20:58:44 enlightement ? Sep 23 20:58:48 O.o Sep 23 20:58:56 yeah Sep 23 20:59:07 that's why i wonder what the hell it's doing here :) Sep 23 20:59:13 some shiny app Sep 23 20:59:21 most likely Sep 23 20:59:35 yeah Sep 23 21:00:58 seems like it's from canola2 indeed Sep 23 21:02:17 * aquatix gone Sep 23 21:02:21 g'night folks Sep 23 21:08:12 bbl Sep 23 21:08:56 hey guys, what do i do if my package.install file needs more than one catalogue (because of diffrent dependencies) to install properly? Sep 23 21:15:29 Stskeeps: sorry, had a phone call Sep 23 21:15:37 so i made the folder, copied the files Sep 23 21:16:04 and by makefile type of person do you mean do i know how to write one? if so then no sorry Sep 23 21:16:08 but i can use them Sep 23 21:16:10 and i can learn Sep 23 21:16:11 :) Sep 23 21:16:51 ifup wlan0 works :D Sep 23 21:17:12 it's doing SHCPDISCOVER Sep 23 21:17:16 DHCP Sep 23 21:17:30 but it might want to find a base station Sep 23 21:17:32 hmm Sep 23 21:17:39 where do i tell it to get that from? Sep 23 21:18:18 nvm Sep 23 21:18:21 it has iwconfig :) Sep 23 21:19:07 hmm Sep 23 21:19:12 isn't connecting though Sep 23 21:19:34 No DHCPOFFERS received. Sep 23 21:19:35 No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. Sep 23 21:19:35 :( Sep 23 22:23:18 :(:(:( Sep 23 22:23:27 * aladds thinks he's fried his 770 Sep 23 22:23:29 :( Sep 23 22:23:41 it won't power on Sep 23 22:23:53 and i did just accidentally connect 9V to the usb line... Sep 23 22:24:08 accidentally? ;) who that? Sep 23 22:24:46 well i connected the battery to the out side of the 7805 rather than the in side... Sep 23 22:25:04 derf: you about? Sep 23 22:25:11 ;) why? Sep 23 22:25:19 lardman|tv: Yes. Sep 23 22:26:16 derf: are bytes_per_packet bytes passed to celt_encode(), or how else does one work out how much of the input buffer will be read? Sep 23 22:27:26 lardman: No, frame_size*channels 16-bit samples are passed to celt_encode(). Sep 23 22:27:44 cool Sep 23 22:27:53 bytes_per_packet is how many bytes are produced. Sep 23 22:28:11 ok, so the entire buffer is used, of course Sep 23 22:28:12 (Right now I believe one byte is stored in each unsigned char, regardless of whether it's 8 or 16-bit) Sep 23 22:28:16 lardman: Correct. Sep 23 22:29:01 ok, second question, should I pass the data across as one byte per char, or does the code operate on 16bit data automatically? Sep 23 22:29:01 aladds: good occasion to get n8x0 then :) Sep 23 22:29:07 lol Sep 23 22:29:19 and sell 770 for parts :) Sep 23 22:29:21 except i ws helping Stskeeps get deblet running on the 770... Sep 23 22:29:32 i only paid £40 for it actually Sep 23 22:29:43 :) Sep 23 22:29:48 so at least i'm not that much out of pocket Sep 23 22:29:57 lardman: The input should be celt_int16_t's. Sep 23 22:29:59 stylus alone could be worth 5-10$ Sep 23 22:30:00 :) Sep 23 22:30:03 but it won't turn on at all Sep 23 22:30:08 or you can wait for the next device generation ... Sep 23 22:30:11 Hopefully in the same byte order on ARM and DSP. Sep 23 22:30:39 derf: ok, will leave it as a "packed" buffer then Sep 23 22:30:57 yeah it's just dead Sep 23 22:31:01 completely black Sep 23 22:31:02 The compressed output, however, will have to be re-packed on one side or the other. Sep 23 22:31:14 i'll post on iTT :P Sep 23 22:31:23 the output is in terms of chars? Sep 23 22:31:28 Yes. Sep 23 22:31:31 'don't connect 9v to usb kids!' ? :) Sep 23 22:31:54 So it'll be different sizes on ARM and DSP, which is clearly a problem. Sep 23 22:31:58 and dont put in your tongue too :D Sep 23 22:32:10 should be ok as the dsp will both encode then decode the data Sep 23 22:32:20 so should be 16bit in and out Sep 23 22:32:26 lardman: True. Sep 23 22:32:32 As long as you size the buffers accordingly. Sep 23 22:32:49 but yes, otherwise it would need to write the data to the upper and lower halves of the output buffer, not a big issue Sep 23 22:33:24 upper and lower halves of the 16bit chars in the output buffer that should be Sep 23 22:33:34 Yeah. Sep 23 22:33:56 That code's in entenc.c and entdec.c. Sep 23 22:34:05 ok Sep 23 22:34:12 But it's probably simpler to pack/unpack in a separate step before/afterwards. Sep 23 22:34:21 probably not going to do more this evening, will post the code though for you to take a look see Sep 23 22:34:29 Awesome. Sep 23 22:36:41 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/ Sep 23 22:37:00 not finished the code to pass across the init data or to receive that data on the DSP-side Sep 23 22:38:01 also need to prune some of the global vars on the DSP-side Sep 23 22:38:55 Unfortunately I'm going to be quite busy at work the next few days, but I appreciate all your help so far. Sep 23 22:39:14 np, will see if I can get it to compile tomorrow Sep 23 22:39:41 I still need to get a dev environment for the DSP set up. Sep 23 22:40:56 yep Sep 23 22:42:48 KotCzarny: I didn't do it deliberatly :P Sep 23 22:43:00 * aladds is not completely stupid Sep 23 22:43:02 :) Sep 23 22:43:10 what did you needed 9v for? Sep 23 22:43:20 9v goes to 7805 Sep 23 22:43:26 7805 gives me 5v Sep 23 22:43:35 5v powers usb & keyboard Sep 23 22:43:41 keyboard lets me type Sep 23 22:43:49 ahm, self made usb power injector Sep 23 22:43:51 i had it working Sep 23 22:43:54 oui Sep 23 22:44:03 but it was a bit heath robinson Sep 23 22:44:06 so i made it again Sep 23 22:44:10 i got me bt kb Sep 23 22:44:12 i'm lazy Sep 23 22:44:13 with a little piece of verobord Sep 23 22:44:34 bt kb is more expensive (and don't say not as expensive as frying your 770 :P) Sep 23 22:44:38 is it? Sep 23 22:44:40 25$ used Sep 23 22:44:41 :) Sep 23 22:44:51 couldn't find one for less than £40 Sep 23 22:44:59 craigslist ? Sep 23 22:45:08 not so great in uk Sep 23 22:45:16 hardly anyone uses it Sep 23 22:45:19 derf: right, updated the DSP code, should actually make sense now :) Sep 23 22:45:40 and loads of people post in the uk cambridge group from cambridge MA, which *really* annoys me Sep 23 22:45:48 :-| Sep 23 22:46:10 :) Sep 23 22:47:05 * aladds might actually get an iPod touch Sep 23 22:47:15 i'm learning objective-c... Sep 23 22:47:27 isn't obj-c dead? Sep 23 22:47:31 and i could make some money Sep 23 22:47:33 :P Sep 23 22:47:34 or it's academics? Sep 23 22:47:37 apple still use it Sep 23 22:47:54 it's actually quite a good language Sep 23 22:51:27 he was fast Sep 23 22:52:12 lardman: Is it possible to have separate encode and decode tasks, or will they have to live in a single task? (in the future, in a single task is fine for now) Sep 23 22:52:53 no, they could quite happily live in separate tasks, would just need two handles opened on the arm-side Sep 23 22:53:01 Okay. Sep 23 22:53:16 Though maybe sharing the mode setup is worth keeping them in a single one. Sep 23 22:53:22 It's not that much data, though. Sep 23 22:53:37 nah, I guess you'll want them separate eventually Sep 23 22:53:48 (encode+decode needs about 8k of space) Sep 23 22:54:07 I've no idea how much is available Sep 23 22:54:21 or whether there's a per-thread limit Sep 23 22:54:45 I mean, on most hardware that should fit in L1 cache. Sep 23 22:55:26 ok, again not sure what the DSP has in that respect Sep 23 22:55:28 JM got mad at me for wanting to use a 10k table to make things faster. Sep 23 22:55:36 :) Sep 23 22:56:19 so what other #defines should I use? Sep 23 22:56:58 I saw a DSP one Sep 23 22:58:26 WORDS_BIGENDIAN looks interesting; you say this is supposed to run on the C55 DSP? Sep 23 22:59:50 CONFIG_TI_C55X and TI_C5X_ASM, probably. Sep 23 23:01:09 WORDS_BIGENDIAN should only matter for header data, which isn't important if you aren't writing a file. Sep 23 23:01:26 ok Sep 23 23:01:42 it may matter if reading bits out of a 32bit type too Sep 23 23:02:24 That's only done in the header (I would never have written that code that way, but that part is by no means finalized) Sep 23 23:02:50 ok Sep 23 23:05:06 evening Sep 23 23:07:55 bed time for me Sep 23 23:08:03 nity nite Sep 23 23:08:06 derf: will let you know how I get on with the compilation tomorrow Sep 23 23:08:08 night all Sep 23 23:17:07 any linux users up who sometimes uses the tablet to view videos? Sep 23 23:17:37 how sometimes? Sep 23 23:17:47 even once? :) Sep 23 23:17:50 me then Sep 23 23:17:51 :) Sep 23 23:17:59 did some encoding too Sep 23 23:18:01 what are you using? Sep 23 23:18:02 on tablet Sep 23 23:18:05 mplayer Sep 23 23:18:09 one and only Sep 23 23:18:17 and canola sometimes Sep 23 23:18:26 do you stream them? Sep 23 23:18:34 nope Sep 23 23:18:46 although mplayer supports rtsp and other network protocols Sep 23 23:19:54 i wrote an app that streams videos from a nix box last year Sep 23 23:20:10 requires vlc 0.9 which was just released Sep 23 23:20:22 for watching or streaming? Sep 23 23:20:32 i'm just wondering if i should release it Sep 23 23:21:32 you can watch videos, dvds and live-tv with it Sep 23 23:21:43 and transcode and transfer them to the device Sep 23 23:22:18 and it supports seeking in transcoded stream too Sep 23 23:22:27 can't help with strategic decisions Sep 23 23:22:29 :) Sep 23 23:22:32 :) Sep 23 23:22:46 technical, yes Sep 23 23:22:55 strategic, rather not :) Sep 23 23:23:03 it's written in ruby so that may be a turnoff for some Sep 23 23:23:15 i prefer php personally Sep 23 23:23:20 and alterego never got them to extras Sep 23 23:23:38 oh dear, then i can't take your advices Sep 23 23:23:42 yup Sep 23 23:23:48 definitely Sep 23 23:23:49 :) Sep 23 23:24:21 pity all nice scripting languages require 10+ mb of disc space Sep 23 23:24:43 *disk Sep 23 23:24:47 and pity the ruby bindings aren't finished Sep 23 23:24:48 LUA? Sep 23 23:25:12 they are stable, but missing some stuff Sep 23 23:25:23 or Lua Sep 23 23:25:25 kegetys: link to source ? Sep 23 23:25:40 evening mr. ofp Sep 23 23:26:07 lua.org Sep 23 23:27:05 Your program ran successfully. Sep 23 23:27:08 wow Sep 23 23:27:16 yay! Sep 23 23:27:22 yay! Sep 23 23:28:26 interesting name for lua ide: 'brain damage' Sep 23 23:29:31 well anyways, here's a shitty quality video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4D4v9dgo84 Sep 23 23:32:30 looks nice Sep 23 23:33:22 where did you get graphics from? Sep 23 23:33:48 but illegible vid Sep 23 23:33:56 so it's hard to read what are you doing Sep 23 23:33:57 :) Sep 23 23:34:16 yes, came out pretty bad, last time it was more focused Sep 23 23:34:34 but it's a cheap camera, no sound in video Sep 23 23:34:40 i think i got the icons from kde-look.org or something Sep 23 23:34:46 rest is just gtk Sep 24 00:08:22 * GeneralAntilles isn't entirely happy with Jaffa's email. Sep 24 00:31:24 Hey Sep 24 00:31:52 Hello Sep 24 00:34:24 I got a non maemo question its not really a linux question but how come I can't find a driver for my sound could anywhere for windows but if I run linux it works fine Sep 24 00:34:51 you are probably looking for wrong driver Sep 24 00:35:16 run everest 2.20 and it should tell you link to drivers/manufacturer Sep 24 00:35:18 I've been looking for a driver for this sound card for over a year and Sep 24 00:35:33 or sisoft sandra Sep 24 00:35:36 or anything Sep 24 00:36:25 or buy yourself current el-cheapo sound card Sep 24 00:36:34 check the pci id using linux, 'lspci' and then look for drivers with it Sep 24 00:44:20 is anyone talking in here, I am testing out a chat client on a webpage, and it seems like its not working, but it may just be dead in here? Sep 24 00:44:39 :) Sep 24 00:44:45 try #sex Sep 24 00:44:45 :) Sep 24 00:44:49 if in doubt Sep 24 00:44:51 ;) Sep 24 00:45:09 unless it's banned from freenode Sep 24 00:45:16 seems to be working Sep 24 00:45:27 sex? Sep 24 00:46:39 heh. awesome Sep 24 00:46:53 KotCzarny: I visited #sex just out of curiosity - cute redirect Sep 24 00:47:02 wonder how many words are linked to it Sep 24 00:47:06 ;) Sep 24 00:47:43 don't know, but shows this network isn't so fuzz friendly Sep 24 00:51:31 I have audio now thanks Sep 24 00:51:40 took me a year to get it back lol Sep 24 00:51:43 thanks to who? Sep 24 00:51:51 Thanks to me. Sep 24 00:51:58 KotCzarny Sep 24 00:52:04 Go Navi! Sep 24 00:52:06 I used everest Sep 24 00:52:11 failfailfail Sep 24 00:52:17 yeah, pity newer versions are shareware Sep 24 00:52:35 Oh yeah, I meant to suggest something, but forgot to Sep 24 00:52:37 but for old stuff it's nice Sep 24 00:52:39 yeah the bad think is I knew I needed sis driver but I looked for almost a year and never got the right ont Sep 24 00:55:56 hello? Sep 24 00:56:02 works Sep 24 00:56:21 you may have fish now Sep 24 00:56:22 :) Sep 24 00:58:26 well if you ever want to access #maemo with an IRC client, it can be accessed from tablethacker.com click on chat Sep 24 00:58:45 s/with/without Sep 24 00:59:15 what backend it uses? Sep 24 00:59:27 server side or client side? Sep 24 00:59:29 livechat Sep 24 00:59:40 wordpress plugin Sep 24 00:59:57 http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-live-chat/ Sep 24 01:00:00 but it forwards through the server? Sep 24 01:00:05 ie. your website Sep 24 01:00:08 penguinbait, syndicate to planet.maemo.org? Sep 24 01:00:10 or connects directly to irc? Sep 24 01:00:40 I belive its direct from javascript on your pc to irc server Sep 24 01:00:59 humm Sep 24 01:01:09 that would be interesting Sep 24 01:01:24 works with 810 also Sep 24 01:01:43 Wow! Java IRC clients? So novel and exciting! Sep 24 01:02:00 ^ stupid Sep 24 01:02:02 hey I am easy to please Sep 24 01:02:11 java != javascript Sep 24 01:02:57 did you like the wordpress theme? Sep 24 01:03:03 me? Sep 24 01:03:16 I edited it to add the targus mouse and 810 Sep 24 01:03:24 tablethacker.com Sep 24 01:03:44 oh, and the nokia keyboard on top Sep 24 01:04:24 penguinbait, did you syndicate it yet? Sep 24 01:05:16 what do you mean? Sep 24 01:05:22 http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/ Sep 24 01:06:41 nice, I will Sep 24 01:07:14 cgi:irc Sep 24 01:07:42 so it's server based. meh Sep 24 01:07:48 whoops, Sep 24 01:09:58 pity, but may be nice idea to implement irc client in js (assuming it can open tcp connections) Sep 24 01:10:14 so your saying its transmitting all data back to my webserver then out to the IRC server? Sep 24 01:10:20 no Sep 24 01:10:21 not yours Sep 24 01:10:30 I doubt javascript would be able to open tcp connections to anything but the host the script came from, if it can do it at all Sep 24 01:10:32 unless you own chathostplus.com Sep 24 01:10:44 mek: that's why i pity Sep 24 01:11:02 otoh, it saves us from the havoc on the internet Sep 24 01:11:03 :) Sep 24 01:17:07 http://www.tinkthank.net/software/tiction/ Sep 24 01:30:04 Kashubians rule Sep 24 01:30:33 those are the folks from pomerania? Sep 24 01:31:01 close to that area yes Sep 24 01:37:03 * Dsnye continues to....lurk Sep 24 01:43:48 nite chan Sep 24 01:43:53 nite nite Sep 24 02:02:43 'night Sep 24 02:11:54 * jpereiran leaving for bed! []s Sep 24 02:12:37 would anybody know of a program like ms visio for linux? Sep 24 02:16:18 what do people usually use to draw diagrams? Sep 24 02:16:26 gnuplot? Sep 24 02:18:36 I mean, entity relationship diagrams and so on Sep 24 02:18:45 that i do not know Sep 24 02:22:08 xfig Sep 24 02:23:33 dia seems to do what I want, but the objects are incredibly ugly Sep 24 02:23:46 * GeneralAntilles wonders what the status is on the servers. Sep 24 02:26:53 xfig seems to have the same problem Sep 24 02:27:09 mikho: wine ? Sep 24 02:27:10 :) Sep 24 02:27:23 Mikho: I mean, it depends on how much time you want to spend, I suppose. Sep 24 02:27:57 http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/pubs/momentpyr2.gif was done with xfig. Sep 24 02:28:15 not bad Sep 24 02:28:38 little trippy too Sep 24 02:28:45 Yeah, that was the idea. Sep 24 02:29:12 well, I'd like the figures to look pleasing for non-engineers as well Sep 24 02:32:26 oh well, maybe I'm stuck with visio then Sep 24 02:35:11 Mikho: have you tried kivio? I used it couple of years ago when I needed to do some flowcharts Sep 24 02:51:33 Google co-founder Sergey Brin even mentioned writing an app that, if you throw the G1 in the air, calculates how long it spends flying before falling back in your hand (or the floor). Sep 24 02:51:34 o.O Sep 24 02:51:47 i miss accelerometer in my n800 :/ Sep 24 02:52:25 The n800 has an accelerometer? Sep 24 02:52:37 i wouldn't miss it if it had Sep 24 02:52:37 has anyone played with android on the n8x0? Sep 24 02:53:13 sts: probably, but i bet without wifi it's not that much fun Sep 24 02:53:34 but i was under the rock for a few last months Sep 24 02:53:36 :) Sep 24 02:53:58 summatusmentis, sure, but only a way old version. Sep 24 02:54:17 GeneralAntilles: has there been any progress since? Sep 24 02:54:27 any idea? Sep 24 02:55:55 It's a dead end. Sep 24 02:56:04 Framebuffer is too slow Sep 24 02:56:30 http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP Sep 24 02:56:31 :) Sep 24 02:57:38 Doesn't matter, a phone OS on the tablets is stupid anyway. Sep 24 02:57:50 not true Sep 24 02:57:58 as long you are within wifi/wimax Sep 24 02:58:29 shower time, bbl Sep 24 02:58:38 GeneralAntilles: it's a 'smartphone OS' and the phone cpart could be taken out Sep 24 02:58:44 Grackle: UMO? Sep 24 02:59:43 Doesn't matter Sep 24 02:59:44 still stupid. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 24 02:59:57 2008