**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 05 02:59:57 2008 Oct 05 03:20:00 night Oct 05 03:47:07 Stskeeps, you around? Oct 05 03:47:18 nn lophyte Oct 05 03:47:21 lopz Oct 05 03:56:57 hi, the SSU update bricked my device. Is there anything I can do to repair it without a reflash? I don't have access to the USB cable for it right now. Oct 05 03:58:56 Do you have bootmenu installed? Oct 05 04:04:12 GeneralAntilles: nope Oct 05 04:04:36 GeneralAntilles: I do have SD cards and an SD card reader available Oct 05 04:04:57 I will have access to the USB cable in a week, but not till my trip is over Oct 05 04:05:08 and I would like to get it working before then if possible Oct 05 04:05:16 Well, if you can get an initfs image with usbnet and ssh/telnet you can get in and fix it. Oct 05 04:05:24 But you'll need a USB cable. Oct 05 04:05:42 darn Oct 05 04:05:46 Basically, any reasonable solution requires a USB cable. Oct 05 04:06:03 Out of interest, did you do anything to ~/MyDocs/.documents? Oct 05 04:06:29 I may have had fanoush initfs stuff in there Oct 05 04:06:55 just the zipped files in there Oct 05 04:07:16 How about the user manual pdfs in there? Oct 05 04:07:28 I didn't touch them Oct 05 04:08:29 has the failed upgrade happened to anyone else? Oct 05 04:08:34 Well, the likely story is that one of the postinstalls failed, which left something unconfigured Oct 05 04:08:42 and one of the important system services isn't starting Oct 05 04:08:50 so the watchdog is killing it during boot. Oct 05 04:09:14 People who symlinked ~/MyDocs/.documents had some troubles. Oct 05 04:10:05 well, I hadn't messed with anything on this install Oct 05 04:10:28 I did install a bunch of 3rd party apps, but nothing that isn't in extras and at worst extras-devel Oct 05 04:10:58 and maybe fennec though I might not have, I can't remember Oct 05 04:11:13 it sucks that the upgrade would fail like this Oct 05 04:11:24 Fenec might've done it. Oct 05 04:11:29 if xulrunner was screwed up Oct 05 04:11:32 though it shouldn't have. Oct 05 04:11:44 but fennec is self contained Oct 05 04:11:47 I think Oct 05 04:11:47 Or just the fact that it's huge. Oct 05 04:11:56 I was low on space Oct 05 04:12:00 Low free space can cause it to fail. Oct 05 04:12:00 maybe Oct 05 04:12:10 probably that is what did it Oct 05 04:12:15 If the estimated install size requirement is wrong Oct 05 04:12:18 because it was a pretty standard install Oct 05 04:12:24 which it can be depending on what you messed with. Oct 05 04:12:49 I'm surprised only because it was a pretty standard install Oct 05 04:13:10 the only thing I can really think of is that it might have run out of disk space Oct 05 04:13:14 It's the stupid 14MB of PDFs that gets refreshed with every upgrade. Oct 05 04:13:29 there is a 10mb video Oct 05 04:13:34 too Oct 05 04:14:16 oh, I had canola installed too Oct 05 04:14:21 it might have its own repository Oct 05 04:14:23 how much would you want free before update? Oct 05 04:16:27 Ideally the package should know whether or not there's enough space. Oct 05 04:16:53 But some really easy to delete user files can throw a wrench into that estimate Oct 05 04:16:59 which means it'll run out of space during the install. Oct 05 04:23:42 blah Oct 05 04:23:46 I'll have to wait to fix it Oct 05 04:23:49 until then its a brick Oct 05 04:23:57 I hope it is repairable Oct 05 04:24:06 its just in a reboot cycle Oct 05 04:24:19 I have to pull the battery to even turn it off Oct 05 04:58:17 final one of the night http://liqbase.net/up/liqbase_0.0.3_armel.deb Oct 05 04:58:26 damn! :) ahhh well Oct 05 04:58:44 this isnt so stable, but it works, any feedback would be appreciated Oct 05 04:58:52 im goin to bed Oct 05 04:59:34 holy crap, gps acquired lock in just a few seconds Oct 05 04:59:37 * ShadowJK hugs a-gps Oct 05 05:02:27 * bef0rd installs liqbase Oct 05 05:04:15 :O Oct 05 05:12:45 nice text scrolling Oct 05 05:13:08 I had seen some videos of liqbase but never installed it heh Oct 05 05:13:29 thats because the .deb was only created over the last couple of days ;) Oct 05 05:14:03 anyway, as longas your computer hasnt blown up i think im safe to go to bed Oct 05 05:14:09 gnite and have fun Oct 05 05:15:13 nite lcuk2 Oct 05 06:07:48 hi, if tablet is on and running how can i tell if rd mode enabled? Oct 05 06:08:41 become root Oct 05 06:08:43 /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --get-rd-mode Oct 05 06:09:22 thanks Oct 05 07:07:58 ~. Oct 05 07:07:59 . Oct 05 07:18:20 congrads on deblet beta4 \o/ Oct 05 07:39:12 I don't think anyone is up or can help me, but... I've been spending all day trying to get my tablet to work. The seamless update makes it not boot, but not right away. I've been trying to identify what I am installing that does this without success. If I manage to install fanoush's initfs first, I can boot to an old backup copy of SD, but still not the main partition. As far as I can tell, it just... randomly decides to brick itse Oct 05 07:39:12 lf. Oct 05 07:40:08 No, wrong word. I can still reflash. Just not work. Is there any way to tell what the tablet is hanging on when it boots? Some sort of log files? I didn't find them in /var/log. Oct 05 07:41:07 You can get ksyslogd to get a syslog in /var/log. But you'll have to chroot or something to install it in your flash Oct 05 07:41:58 Thanks! I can do that, I think. I can mount the flash while in the older copy. Oct 05 07:43:29 Here are debs for syslog: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/s/sysklogd/klogd_1.4.1-18osso2_armel.deb & http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/s/sysklogd/sysklogd_1.4.1-18osso2_armel.deb . They have a circular dependency so install them at the same time Oct 05 07:44:49 Thank you very much... now I feel really foolish for not asking for help earlier. Oct 05 07:44:59 I think it's something like mounting /dev/mtdblock4 somewhere, putting those two debs in the flash, then binding /tmp, /dev, /proc and just using dpkg -i and rebooting Oct 05 07:45:36 Also, fanoush's stuff here is very helpful: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137088&postcount=2 Oct 05 07:45:59 If you add that then while starting up, you can see which init script it is executing before it reboots Oct 05 07:46:07 ... nice! :D Oct 05 07:46:12 That's perfect Oct 05 08:28:31 Interesting, SDK will work faster on a BeagleBoard than on x86? Oct 05 08:28:45 No emulation I guess Oct 05 08:28:59 yep, but 1.2Ghz instead Oct 05 08:29:11 so the question is still open :) Oct 05 08:29:36 on the other hand, you can get full emulation (no need for x86 target to debug) Oct 05 08:30:08 True, but when it comes to arm compiling, I'm more biased towards no emulation rather than speed because ultimatly, emulation is slow anyway :) Oct 05 08:32:51 thats because you haven't compile XXL projects :) Oct 05 08:32:54 *d Oct 05 08:33:30 You sure about that :P Oct 05 08:33:42 * qwerty12 was trying webkit but gave up when linking failed Oct 05 08:34:04 * qwerty12 also can't be arsed to try and fix the problem after waiting years for it to get to that stage Oct 05 08:38:59 you compiled it on NIT? :) Oct 05 08:39:32 Ah, my bad, I thought you meant compiling with emulation. no I did it on computer :) Oct 05 10:41:53 zap, an emulated ARM is gonna be faster than the Beagle's 600MHz Oct 05 10:41:59 but it wont draw way less than 2W. :P Oct 05 10:45:20 GeneralAntilles, Where is the best place to discuss the community version of maemo? Oct 05 10:45:36 qwerty12, there's a thread on -developers Oct 05 10:45:40 but here is good too. :P Oct 05 10:46:00 Ok :P :) Oct 05 10:46:07 qwerty12, but, yes, we so totally want your help. :D Oct 05 10:46:38 :) Oct 05 10:47:01 "the recovery mode should offer the option to make backup images" - Regarding that, that's only possible if the user keeps the tablet in rd-mode :( Oct 05 10:47:25 how come? Oct 05 10:47:44 ^ Oct 05 10:47:54 dsme reboots the tablet if it's in production mode after 4 mins, and trust me, backing up mtdblock4 takes more than 4 mins Oct 05 10:48:06 qwerty12: trick it with --root-mounted.. Oct 05 10:48:33 Stskeeps, hmm, haven't come across that one before, sounds interesting Oct 05 10:49:32 If that can be solved (and it seems like it can be), http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/mtd-utils-1.0.0-initfs.tar.bz2 - I've got a set of mtd-utils in there that will run in initfs to backup /dev/mtdblock4 Oct 05 10:50:59 qwerty12: what was the issue about backup over gadget LUN btw? should be possible on both win and linux to image in the stuff :P Oct 05 10:51:49 Stskeeps, I couldn't get Linux on my desktop to mount the exported mtdblock4/mtd4 and I had a lot of modules loaded on the desktop to emulate block devices etc Oct 05 10:52:00 Stskeeps, no chance, win will never support jffs2 :P Oct 05 10:52:09 qwerty12: didn't say read, just copy Oct 05 10:52:09 :P Oct 05 10:52:20 windows can access the raw LUNs, ofcourse Oct 05 10:52:53 Probably, but I only backup using mkfs.jffs2 which requires the filesystem to be mounted. Maybe a raw nanddump will work Oct 05 10:52:59 mm Oct 05 10:54:20 Regarding, "# Disable the legal warning.", I could patch application manager but I'd be removing the message outright. Maybe a proper programmer could add it as a option to the settings? Oct 05 10:54:34 qwerty12, that sounds like a plan. Oct 05 10:54:40 Hrm Oct 05 10:54:52 I should open a Garage project Oct 05 10:55:00 I wonder if "Maemo Community Edition" is acceptable. Oct 05 10:55:04 "MCE" :P Oct 05 10:55:12 hehe Oct 05 10:55:25 Damn Sexy Maemo Edition Oct 05 10:56:21 or maybe just "Community Edition" would work. Oct 05 10:56:27 I guess I'll have to ask the list. Oct 05 10:56:58 I guess if the option to remove the legal message was added as an option, the settings dialog would need to be brought back in blue pill mode. In chinook, the settings dialog would display 1 option (can't remember what though) but in diablo, they removed it entirely. Oct 05 10:57:19 s/entirely/ in blue pill mode/ Oct 05 10:57:19 qwerty12 meant: I guess if the option to remove the legal message was added as an option, the settings dialog would need to be brought back in blue pill mode. In chinook, the settings dialog would display 1 option (can't remember what though) but in diablo, they removed ... Oct 05 10:57:31 infobot, nice job. Oct 05 10:57:32 * infobot lowers job.'s priority Oct 05 10:58:23 Refresh time period. Oct 05 10:58:37 qwerty12, start gathering your patches, anyway. Oct 05 10:59:04 We can probably just drop the Red Pill check off the settings dialog. Oct 05 10:59:11 Will do Oct 05 10:59:15 But some of the individual options will need to be moved. Oct 05 11:01:23 someone needs to give that boy a shell account with irssi on it so he stays online :P Oct 05 11:02:12 Hehe Oct 05 11:04:40 GeneralAntilles: did you notice we've managed to lock up CAL btw? Oct 05 11:04:50 or atleast get a huge leap towards it Oct 05 11:04:53 Oh really? Oct 05 11:05:01 DSME in initfs has debug symbols Oct 05 11:05:14 that means definitions of types, structs, functions, etc Oct 05 11:05:14 hey folks. Oct 05 11:05:44 Hey, jott. Oct 05 11:06:01 hey Stskeeps anything done with your finding? :) Oct 05 11:06:14 jott: tried to prod austin che with it but no luck.. didn't experiment further myself yet Oct 05 11:06:28 having proper battery info will be a good thing at some point though Oct 05 11:06:35 indeed. Oct 05 11:07:17 * jott actually would like to have this in /sys not just in hal :/ Oct 05 11:08:03 btw advanced backlight is brilliant :P i love being able to read on my tablet in bed without dying of too many photons Oct 05 11:08:50 (at night) Oct 05 11:09:48 hehe the could actually make nice slogan like "advanced backlight - prevents excessive photon attacks" :> Oct 05 11:10:16 Hehe Oct 05 11:10:31 advanced backlight should definately be in a community edition :P Oct 05 11:10:49 I'm so glad rm_you did that. Oct 05 11:11:00 That idea has been bouncing around my head since the early 770 days. Oct 05 11:11:20 Now he needs to come back so I can coerce him into implementing more of my stuff. :P Oct 05 11:12:09 hehe.. and in the end i have to make it proper then :P Oct 05 11:12:13 Haha Oct 05 11:12:38 Hooray for Team Advanced Backlight. :D Oct 05 11:12:56 GeneralAntilles: i know the CE discussion is on -developers, but considered asking on iTT what people would want (of existing software) and patches to be in a community edition? even though there's risk of it becoming a hellhole Oct 05 11:13:00 :P Oct 05 11:13:07 we should prepare a new version to increase the download count :) Oct 05 11:13:12 What daemon mounts/unmounts mmc cards? dsme? Oct 05 11:13:17 jott, just bump the version number. Oct 05 11:13:22 heh Oct 05 11:13:24 zap: ke-recv i believe Oct 05 11:13:32 (hulda?) Oct 05 11:13:35 Stskeeps: thanks, will look Oct 05 11:13:42 and take generally of some unreproducible bugs being fixed. Oct 05 11:13:43 it's OSS, too :P Oct 05 11:13:54 jott, if you want to get started on the control panel, applet. . . . Oct 05 11:14:11 Or just provide the appropriate .desktop, really. Oct 05 11:14:13 not atm. to much other stuff to do.. Oct 05 11:14:38 Time Oct 05 11:14:44 If only everybody had more of it. Oct 05 11:14:55 time, the number one reason for cloning and brain transfer technology Oct 05 11:15:37 I'm going to use my army of clones to coerce your army of clones to code my ideas. :P Oct 05 11:15:46 time, the number one reason why we need code monkeys which we can exploit. Oct 05 11:17:09 oh cool, Control Panel -> about displays "Version: " :-) Oct 05 11:17:17 why this could be... Oct 05 11:17:37 zap: initfs flashing tends to do that according to qwerty12 or something Oct 05 11:17:47 zap, check the o-s-v postinst for the fix. Oct 05 11:18:52 osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION=RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_MR0 Oct 05 11:18:53 this one? Oct 05 11:19:14 did not help :) Oct 05 11:20:17 Hrm Oct 05 11:20:21 There's another one, too. Oct 05 11:20:24 I don't remember it, though. Oct 05 11:37:14 does any of you have power consumption problems with Diablo? my battery drain is way too much than in chinook, and yes, i've disabled metacrawler :P Oct 05 11:37:34 no wifi connected, yet it drains totally overnight Oct 05 11:37:46 no wifi connected, or wifi disabled? Oct 05 11:38:04 no wifi connected and no searching (disabled) Oct 05 11:38:08 if it's the former, it might be desperately trying to get to one, and drain battery in process Oct 05 11:38:11 aha Oct 05 11:39:45 seems to eat about the same as in chinook for me.. Oct 05 11:42:30 it's clobbering time. Where's the frigging localepurge... Oct 05 11:48:11 ...there's no localepurge. That would explain few things. Oct 05 12:19:45 hi all... Oct 05 12:20:44 I followed all the instructions at http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1.1/INSTALL.txt but when I try to run af-sb-init.sh start it says that it's not found Oct 05 12:20:52 anyone know what's gone wrong? Oct 05 12:24:19 [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > export DISPLAY=:2 Oct 05 12:24:19 [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start Oct 05 12:24:19 bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found Oct 05 12:24:48 any ideas? Anyone? I've gone searching the maemo forums and haven't found this problem there yet Oct 05 12:40:40 command not found Oct 05 12:40:53 is it somehow unclear? Oct 05 12:41:36 you probably forgot installing something Oct 05 12:42:47 i just told you, I installed everything exactly like it says in the instructions. Using the scripts, not the manual installs Oct 05 12:43:11 So, maybe there's something wrong with one of the scripts? 4.1.1 is new-ish, isn't it? Oct 05 12:43:24 have you installed diablo bootstrap? Oct 05 12:43:51 yes Oct 05 12:44:19 have you installed binary only packages? Oct 05 12:44:26 the maemo-sdk-install_4.1.1 sh script does that Oct 05 12:44:48 have you selected a target? Oct 05 12:44:51 I selected Runtime Environment + All Dev Packages Oct 05 12:45:11 that is not the target Oct 05 12:45:12 Target = DIABLo_ARMEL Oct 05 12:45:16 ok Oct 05 12:45:26 you should see that in the pasted error, right? Oct 05 12:45:36 have you typed rehash just in case? Oct 05 12:46:00 I am here from a smartphone Oct 05 12:46:07 dont see much sorry Oct 05 12:47:40 ok, use dpkg to see where maemo sdk deb places that script then verify that the script is there Oct 05 12:47:57 trying to re-install the maemo-sdk-install script now Oct 05 12:48:08 also try running the script from outside sb Oct 05 12:48:10 oh, I should have thought of that. Oct 05 12:48:26 Yeah, i tried running the script from outside sb before pestering the channel. ;) Oct 05 13:03:42 * Stskeeps begins to compile all of ubuntu mobile hildon stuff for deblet/armel Oct 05 13:18:58 weeeee Oct 05 13:19:02 * CptLaptop ordered aspire one Oct 05 13:29:28 Nice day! Oct 05 13:29:46 any here has tried Maemo on ATOM machines? Oct 05 13:31:10 think you might want to look at ubuntu mobile instead Oct 05 13:37:35 Sooo... I think I know what the problem was. (I should have read the install errors earlier. Blah!) Oct 05 13:37:38 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/s/samba/libsmbclient-dev_3.0.23c-1osso11_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 212.143.162.151 80] Oct 05 13:37:38 E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? Oct 05 13:41:50 *head desk* I am so not having a good day. Oct 05 14:04:40 what happened to maemo-mapper? Oct 05 14:05:02 uhm, what? :P Oct 05 14:05:08 Nothing, it just hasn't been uploaded to Diablo Extras yet. Oct 05 14:05:33 seems to work if you install it straight Oct 05 14:05:52 but but... that was the most useful program I had Oct 05 14:06:08 it's still there Oct 05 14:06:15 the most useful program is Aisleriot Oct 05 14:06:22 xournal is quite useful too Oct 05 14:06:37 btw latest xournal is very buggy, unusable I'd say Oct 05 14:06:44 yeah Oct 05 14:06:47 i use chinook version Oct 05 14:06:50 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3549/maemo-mapper_2.4.1-os2008_armel.deb Oct 05 14:07:02 yay :) Oct 05 14:07:14 hi @ all Oct 05 14:07:28 You know, it's pretty damn confusing and hard for a new user to get a grip of all these repos and stuff :-) Oct 05 14:07:46 ShadowJK: yeah, which is why people are trying to push extras Oct 05 14:07:51 but new things take time Oct 05 14:07:52 :P Oct 05 14:08:05 ShadowJK, go convince everybody to put their stuff into Extras. Problem solved. Oct 05 14:08:08 could someone please tell me howto connect my n95's pys60 bluetooth with my n800? Oct 05 14:08:18 http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_Bluetooth_console Oct 05 14:08:22 meh, wget borks on garage's https Oct 05 14:08:37 --no-check-certificate Oct 05 14:08:54 like, it only ocurred to my yesterday to try tap in repository.maemo.org into a browser, and I was surprised to see that I shouldn't have been using the repo that gives me gcc :) Oct 05 14:08:55 ah yeah, thanks Oct 05 14:08:56 the howto works fine but theres no "cu" shell termal Oct 05 14:09:00 lol: Cannot write to `maemo-mapper_2.4.1-os2008_armel.deb' (Success). Oct 05 14:09:06 `success'? :P Oct 05 14:09:28 seems i already filled up my microsd again Oct 05 14:09:30 1. Install. 2. ??? 3. Success. Oct 05 14:09:31 :P Oct 05 14:09:34 :) Oct 05 14:09:59 (do you think gcc will be pushed to Extras :) Oct 05 14:10:00 * Stskeeps ponders idly how a sane debian environment with hildon would be like. Oct 05 14:10:03 is there an easy way to install things to mmc1? Oct 05 14:10:12 mavhc: look into clone-to-SD Oct 05 14:10:26 ShadowJK, SDK repo will drop you into a reboot loop with an apt-get upgrade. Oct 05 14:10:44 ~clone-sd Oct 05 14:11:08 GAN800, I think you need dist-upgrade for that, and to type in "Yes, do as I say!" first? Oct 05 14:11:18 Somebody could probably uploade build-essentials to Extras. Oct 05 14:11:35 ShadowJK, no, apt-get upgrade. Oct 05 14:11:50 Boom. Hello coreutils. Oct 05 14:11:55 hm Oct 05 14:12:04 The following packages have been kept back: Oct 05 14:12:04 libdb4.2 libglade2-0 libxml2 makedev Oct 05 14:12:04 The following packages will be upgraded: Oct 05 14:12:04 bzip2 netcat Oct 05 14:12:26 Somebody might try talking Nokia into moving the build stuff into Tools. Oct 05 14:12:40 bzip2 and netcat doesn't look too dangerous? Oct 05 14:13:19 Stskeeps: ok, I'll ignore it for now Oct 05 14:13:50 with dist-upgrade it wants to remove a whole bunch of osso-* things, wants to install coreutils... Oct 05 14:14:13 busybox should really Provides: coreutils Oct 05 14:14:15 end of problems Oct 05 14:14:28 .. admittedly also a can of worms Oct 05 14:14:29 but still Oct 05 14:14:33 well Oct 05 14:15:10 hola Oct 05 14:15:28 it'd be great to have them packaged for maemo, say with a prefix. core-ls core-tail or something Oct 05 14:16:00 some things would probably not work or make sense, like coreutils us Oct 05 14:16:01 su* Oct 05 14:16:01 shadowjk: thanks again Oct 05 14:16:38 busybox sucks Oct 05 14:16:42 and procps, I miss the procps utilities :) Oct 05 14:17:03 * Stskeeps pokes ShadowJK with the deblet stick and memories of unreal3.1 Oct 05 14:17:14 busybox is a lot lighter weight, though. Oct 05 14:17:27 if you need normal utils, simply compile them by hand into /usr/local Oct 05 14:17:29 what's really mostly used though? the sh part or? Oct 05 14:17:35 bash would add significantly to boot times. Oct 05 14:17:41 there's always dash Oct 05 14:18:01 busybox's sh is ok Oct 05 14:18:10 yah, I have no issues with bb sh Oct 05 14:18:20 find/ps/xargs is not ok Oct 05 14:18:32 is miss tail -F Oct 05 14:18:53 anyway Oct 05 14:19:26 i built coreutils/findutils to /usr/local and absolutely happy now Oct 05 14:19:31 and top, ps.. Oct 05 14:19:31 vmstat Oct 05 14:19:34 oh Oct 05 14:19:38 and grep Oct 05 14:20:03 it 'doesn't handle long lines and -e switch' Oct 05 14:20:09 tar .. Oct 05 14:20:21 gnutar is in extras? Oct 05 14:20:25 yes, it is Oct 05 14:21:05 nokia should provide a way to switch between busybox/*utils Oct 05 14:21:35 They likely will with Fremantle. Oct 05 14:22:11 butt fremantle won't be on n8x0? Oct 05 14:22:18 *but Oct 05 14:22:24 if somebody wanted to fix the initscripts, or play with the packaging, it'd be a reasonable thing to include for the community edition. Oct 05 14:22:36 slonopotamus, uknown. Oct 05 14:22:44 s/uknown/unknown/ Oct 05 14:22:45 GAN800 meant: slonopotamus, unknown. Oct 05 14:22:50 * Stskeeps ponders on 21_multiple_resolution_support.patch in ubuntu hildon-desktop Oct 05 14:23:02 if you're unsure, prepare for worst Oct 05 14:23:15 slonopotamus: hence deblet, maemo community edition, etc efforts Oct 05 14:23:16 :P Oct 05 14:23:16 Nokia isn't even sure. Oct 05 14:23:26 Stskeeps, are you implying you'll resume your old codename scheme for deblet releases? Oct 05 14:23:39 ShadowJK: i don't get to switch between girls these days Oct 05 14:23:53 But it's not a 'because we don't want to' but a 'because the hardware simply may not be up to it'. Oct 05 14:27:22 anyone have experience with making a Debian ARMEL setup in scratchbox? Oct 05 14:35:53 hm Oct 05 14:36:01 why does imdb have sanctuary listed as being on season 2? Oct 05 14:36:01 lo macer Oct 05 14:36:07 hi Stskeeps Oct 05 14:36:25 i'm trying to find this missing season of sanctuary that eludes me Oct 05 14:36:31 maybe they called it something else Oct 05 14:37:15 perhaps planned Oct 05 14:37:41 ? Oct 05 14:37:55 imdb has them listed as being aired in 2007 Oct 05 14:38:02 web show Oct 05 14:38:03 webepisodes? i dunno :P Oct 05 14:38:05 so i'm guessing that maybe it was euro or something Oct 05 14:38:21 the tv series is a remake of the web series Oct 05 14:38:45 ah.. i see Oct 05 14:39:14 is it a total remake? like there would be no reason to get season 1? :) Oct 05 14:39:58 correct Oct 05 14:40:17 you get street cred if you watch the originals first Oct 05 14:40:32 tv series is better Oct 05 14:40:34 i bought them back when they first became available Oct 05 14:47:13 street cred Oct 05 14:47:13 haha Oct 05 14:51:18 Stskeeps, :) did you see the package Oct 05 14:51:57 lcuks-bundle-o-porn_all.deb Oct 05 14:52:06 :D Oct 05 14:52:45 ERROR, package not installed, incorrect application category "midgets on horseback" Oct 05 14:53:01 lcuk2: yeah Oct 05 14:53:17 good, at least im not making machines go BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Oct 05 14:54:14 Is it possible to setup the N800 as a control device for UPnP to control a server and play the audio on the server rather than the N800? Oct 05 14:54:15 hm... there were 8 episodes of the web version? Oct 05 14:54:44 Should I just abandon UPnP and use MPD? Oct 05 14:54:46 GAN800, :) using changleog properly now, ill just add to it as well as internal changelog Oct 05 14:54:51 gpd, mpd/mmpc Oct 05 14:55:05 lcuk2, one request. Please change that horrifying background. Oct 05 14:55:25 which one? the CC attributed wonder menu Oct 05 14:55:29 GeneralAntilles: thanks -- how about BRisa for maemo - tried that? Oct 05 14:55:54 GeneralAntilles, he sells curtains for a living, I think he knows what to choose as background Oct 05 14:56:01 The marble looking thing that looks like it belonds on Win95 software. Oct 05 14:56:03 should i bring up an image select and let you try yourself gen? ;) Oct 05 14:56:14 or that Oct 05 14:56:35 but having the default one suck doesn't make for a good first impression. Oct 05 14:56:39 i just found something that wasnt too bright Oct 05 14:57:06 You could just go with black Oct 05 14:57:10 black usually isn't all that bright Oct 05 14:57:13 Fits the style ofzt Oct 05 14:57:13 xD Oct 05 14:57:17 GAN800, I hate you Oct 05 14:57:19 of the app Oct 05 14:57:35 Rather than being out of place and arbitrary. Oct 05 14:57:54 GAN800: eventually :P Oct 05 14:57:55 it does the job of breaking up the sameness of everything Oct 05 14:57:58 bbl again Oct 05 14:58:01 crashanddie, you just got thumbboarded boy. :P Oct 05 14:58:20 lcuk2, uniform style is desirable. Oct 05 14:58:43 I'd improbe the look by styling the buttons more excitingly. Oct 05 14:58:56 GAN800, working on that Oct 05 14:58:59 s/improbe/improve/ Oct 05 14:59:00 GAN800 meant: I'd improve the look by styling the buttons more excitingly. Oct 05 14:59:00 uniform style is 100% desirable, but when im building and rebuilding and making the walls and fittings as i enter rooms its been a bit of an evolution at present Oct 05 14:59:17 Is it possible to set the N8x0 to 'auto connect to these networks when I require network'? it keeps asking... annoying. Oct 05 14:59:28 mornin crashanddie btw :) Oct 05 14:59:41 lcuk, when's it gonna be themeable? :P Oct 05 14:59:45 lcuk, afternoon :) Oct 05 14:59:47 gah.. the 5 second boot people Oct 05 15:00:02 they don't seem to realize how amazing it is the tablet even boots in 30 seconds Oct 05 15:00:07 GAN800, if you have it installed do you see the teeeny tiny "ed" buttons ? Oct 05 15:00:10 gpd: yes, any network you've got saved will be auto-connected to before showing the search box Oct 05 15:00:16 Stskeeps, MAKE IT BOOT IN 5 SECONDS OR ELSE!!!! Oct 05 15:00:31 GAN800: define boot="start up X and show a pretty picture" Oct 05 15:00:32 done Oct 05 15:00:32 :P Oct 05 15:00:34 lcuk, yeah, didn't manage to click on one yet. Oct 05 15:00:51 thats cos they arent wired in, they are there in preperation for something :) Oct 05 15:00:51 gpd, click network icon, "Connectivity Settings", and make sure "Connect Automatically" says "WLAN", and Search interval is set to Never Oct 05 15:00:57 Jaffa: doesn't seem to be for me --- it always asks me which one... unless I set the 'auto connect' - but then it stays connected and runs the battery down. Oct 05 15:01:09 Some people are just so terrifyingly clueless. Oct 05 15:01:15 i needed the username to be able to identify people, but i want every button to be a customizable unique sketch Oct 05 15:01:41 gpd, fix your router. Oct 05 15:01:53 gpd: there's timeouts too Oct 05 15:01:55 gpd: it also shouldn't run the battery down when sat connected to wifi - unless your access point is hideously broken Oct 05 15:02:05 Staying connected shouldn't affect battery life overly much. Oct 05 15:02:06 or simply WMM/WMI isn't enabled. Oct 05 15:02:17 so someone with 133t skills should be able to design nice ones without bugging me ;) Oct 05 15:02:20 ~psm Oct 05 15:02:21 psm is, like, Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm Oct 05 15:02:31 ~wifi-psm Oct 05 15:02:32 i guess wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Oct 05 15:02:35 ive kept the ui elements 100% simple because it WILL change and im not messing with that for now Oct 05 15:02:55 lcuk, get Khertan to make a theme! Oct 05 15:08:19 ok getting somewhere -- mpd.conf s/localhost/any/ --> sonata on N800 now works :) Oct 05 15:09:13 * qwerty12 still prefers mmpc to sonata. Sonata being python has a long ass time to start even with python-launcher Oct 05 15:10:00 hmm.. i should try mmpc then... [i seem to like mocp via ssh until now] Oct 05 15:11:31 lcuk, btw, liqbase builds on the desktop right? I want to try it while I'm waiting for a charger :) Oct 05 15:11:36 i take it that none of the 'pretty' media players support MPD? I need to compete with iPod WiFi fancy control of a laptop running iTunes. Oct 05 15:17:07 qwerty12: mmpc seems to be tricky to edit the playlist (not intuitive?) Oct 05 15:18:18 i sent even a message to the author about that Oct 05 15:18:21 but its ok now Oct 05 15:18:41 gpd, Hmm, a fair point, I forgot mmpc has sucky music managment (I just have all my tracks in one folder and add them to one playlist :)). You probably could grab an client that supports mpd and compile it. I did a quick compile of gimmix once Oct 05 15:19:56 sonata seems good - will have a look to see if canola2 / ukmp support mpd (no recollection that they do) Oct 05 15:21:41 Somebody should make a plugin for Canola2. Oct 05 15:22:17 canola supports upnp only at the moment it seems. shame. Oct 05 15:23:24 nothing for UKMP either Oct 05 15:25:12 qwerty12, theres a _USE_MAEMO maekfile flag and you also need to remove libxsp, but on the hwole yer Oct 05 15:25:28 * lcuk is dyslexic today Oct 05 15:25:38 lcuk, hehe, thanks! Oct 05 15:25:38 what do I install to get the real gnu "find" program? Oct 05 15:26:38 don't care if it's gnu, but I want the full program. this failed: find . -iname '*foo*' Oct 05 15:26:55 JasonWoof, findutils Oct 05 15:27:00 thanks! Oct 05 15:27:58 apt-get install findutils Oct 05 15:28:07 note, selecting bulsybox instead of findutils Oct 05 15:28:17 busybox is already the newest version Oct 05 15:28:23 busybox provides findutils and findutils is not in a repo Oct 05 15:28:33 hmm Oct 05 15:28:35 johnx: i'm dpkg-buildpackage'ing ubuntu mobile hildon packages for your pleasure later Oct 05 15:28:41 johnx: they seem a little more sane than debians for now Oct 05 15:28:44 whatever, I'll live Oct 05 15:29:23 Stskeeps, more "sane"? hmm? Oct 05 15:29:50 johnx: updated towards upstream better and more suited in a debian environment Oct 05 15:30:17 in 95% of cases, atleast Oct 05 15:30:29 Stskeeps, hmm, I should look then. I've been following debian's and the extra ones at http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-maemo/ Oct 05 15:31:13 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/ is what i use Oct 05 15:32:45 johnx: funny fact, nm-applet works in mb+hildon Oct 05 15:32:48 oh, they switched from the flash launcher... Oct 05 15:33:07 Stskeeps, yeah of course. The status bar in hildon supports sys tray applets Oct 05 15:33:14 that's going to help a lot :P Oct 05 15:33:52 http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3778 awesome Oct 05 15:34:09 Stskeeps, the one in OS2008's hildon-desktop does too. That's why the Pidgin and Xchat icons are no problem Oct 05 15:36:03 johnx: i kinda ponder how interesting a maemo-like desktop that's less hard to port modern debian apps to, could be.. Oct 05 15:37:15 Stskeeps, i keep wondering how hard it would be to adjust hildon to pick up properties from default x11 apps would be Oct 05 15:37:50 lcuk, you just set different environment variables for hildon apps vs normal apps at launch Oct 05 15:37:53 liqbase is not hildonized and could benefit from hildon simply saying "ahhh you have an x11 window, ill just get all the info i can Oct 05 15:38:19 lcuk, what info, particularly? Oct 05 15:38:25 I wish I could fix my iBlue 2 from continually disconnecting... :( Oct 05 15:38:43 app name and listing it in the home menu when running mainly Oct 05 15:38:44 Stskeeps, that was my idea at first, but no one else seemed interested. When I did beta2 it was hildon-desktop on a debian base... Oct 05 15:38:49 so it doesnt get lost when you press menu ;) Oct 05 15:38:51 wonder what an nvidia chipset nic uses on the cpu Oct 05 15:39:06 lcuk, that you can do without hildon :P Oct 05 15:39:37 johnx, install liqbase and please try to make it work, its a bugbear at present and i cannot seem to do it :$ Oct 05 15:40:36 johnx: got any scrshots from back then? Oct 05 15:40:43 lcuk, I mean, that's not hildon's problem. It's just setting a one-liner in your app, I think Oct 05 15:40:46 lcuk, maemo.org/development :P Oct 05 15:40:48 i only saw b3 so Oct 05 15:40:48 i need to get a fanless video card for my server Oct 05 15:40:56 i should have just gotten the server mboard with the onboard video Oct 05 15:41:08 lol gan maybe i will have more time in future to play :) Oct 05 15:41:11 Stskeeps, sure, let me find 'em Oct 05 15:41:43 johnx: thing is, i don't really mind the hildon interface, but i'm disturbed by some system things Oct 05 15:42:10 johnx, I liked the Hildon/Debian approach, but without proper keybinds, that godawful matchbox keyboard and without Nokia's 'differentiation' stuff it wasn't very usable. Oct 05 15:42:23 Stskeeps, that was exactly my situation, but I released beta2 and everyone said "How about a normal window manager?" so I did that for beta3 Oct 05 15:42:25 GAN800: well, h-i-m exists now Oct 05 15:42:46 as oss Oct 05 15:43:09 that probably helps a little bit on it Oct 05 15:43:39 Stskeeps, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/debianepiphany-webkit.png Oct 05 15:44:08 interesting Oct 05 15:44:15 could probably be shined up with new themes ;) Oct 05 15:44:27 Stskeeps, any that are considered free software :P Oct 05 15:44:41 There's a lot more hildon stuff in debian/ubuntu now than there was in february Oct 05 15:44:56 johnx: that's a good question, there's a lot of themes distributed around on iTT and such Oct 05 15:45:02 is the foundational theme OSS? Oct 05 15:45:10 Plankton Oct 05 15:45:22 None of the bundled ones are free. Oct 05 15:45:26 Stskeeps, plankton is...finally. the other's aren't Oct 05 15:45:29 That's Plankton shown there (with 280px of browser viewport goodness) Oct 05 15:45:30 *nod* Oct 05 15:45:40 johnx: ubuntu mobile also has one it seems Oct 05 15:46:12 I miss the OS2007 Plankton Oct 05 15:46:15 I need to see if I like ubuntu's launcher better. I bet I will... Oct 05 15:46:20 Try to use more of Ubuntu Mobile - getting rid of the left-hand Task Navigator without having to go full screen's a good idea IMHO Oct 05 15:46:28 Jaffa++ Oct 05 15:46:56 what I'd really like is to get rid of the top bar and shrink the left bar...but I'll take what I can get Oct 05 15:47:03 going for the 80% solution here... Oct 05 15:47:06 johnx: saw the scrshot jaffa pasted earlier? Oct 05 15:47:15 I don't know what whoever thought OS2007's default theme was anything but horrifying was on. Oct 05 15:47:19 nah, I've been AFK Oct 05 15:47:26 johnx: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2888/two.jpg Oct 05 15:47:39 nice Oct 05 15:47:47 (netbook remix) Oct 05 15:50:12 it kind of kills me to use up any of the limited vertical pixels wee have, but I sadly wasn't on Maemo's original design team... Oct 05 15:50:35 though matchbox would have less trouble living without a titlebar than any other window manager Oct 05 15:51:57 I'm more concerned about horizontal. Oct 05 15:52:23 GAN800, strictly for browsing? Oct 05 15:52:54 That's one of my bigger usecases Oct 05 15:54:09 mine too, but a top title bar and a bottom toolbar eats up a huge chunk of our very limited vertical space, and a sidebar doesn't have to be as thick as the OS2008 taskbar Oct 05 15:54:42 http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/ <- neat screenshots Oct 05 15:55:37 Is it possible to get the gps coordinates from the command line? Oct 05 15:56:01 Find one of about a dozen gpsd clients Oct 05 15:56:28 thank you :) Oct 05 15:57:21 then spend 5 hours working out which is best Oct 05 15:57:23 Stskeeps, ok, sold Oct 05 15:57:52 johnx: excepting the osk, it looks decent Oct 05 15:58:07 mavhc: do you have a recommendation? Oct 05 15:58:08 Stskeeps, I wonder if they're using matchbox or something else Oct 05 15:58:26 no Oct 05 15:58:51 I like all the cut off titles in the taskbar. Oct 05 15:58:54 fail. Oct 05 15:59:39 GAN800, having just icons would be ok, as would sideways titles Oct 05 16:00:08 I have my n810 automatically ssh into my desktop on wifi connection (and run through my squid proxy), and also set up a reverse tunnel back to the device Oct 05 16:00:36 if it's stolen, I just want it the gps to fire up, get the coordinates, and then I can just output them to a file Oct 05 16:10:58 damn firefox Oct 05 16:11:08 when did it start to suck so bad? Oct 05 16:11:22 Mace`, when you added that last extension Oct 05 16:11:52 well. i don't know what i added to it but it makes X crash every time i run it :) Oct 05 16:12:08 if X crashes, it's a bug in X. period. Oct 05 16:12:14 heh Oct 05 16:12:16 maybe Oct 05 16:12:20 http://viper.haque.net/~timeless/blog/143/ ! Oct 05 16:12:21 by definition Oct 05 16:12:23 ;) Oct 05 16:12:36 it was just working...i rm'd .mozilla from my home dir Oct 05 16:12:46 now when ff starts... it just makes X quit Oct 05 16:12:55 maybe something with direct rendering and flash? Oct 05 16:12:58 well... i wouldn't say quit.. more of a crash and kick me back to a console Oct 05 16:13:11 sounds like an X issue indeed Oct 05 16:13:15 crazy fonts of oversize image foo are some things that have been problematic iirc Oct 05 16:13:48 could be blackbox Oct 05 16:13:48 :) Oct 05 16:14:10 maybe i can try it in safe mode or something Oct 05 16:14:55 if your window manager crashes it might by difficult for you to tell apart from X11 crashes Oct 05 16:15:08 either way, not firefox's fault :) Oct 05 16:15:19 well, right, if the session dies and X decides you're done Oct 05 16:15:44 someone's log may be useful Oct 05 16:17:25 ok - I'm trying to debug this iBlue 2 - N800 problem of lost connection here is the syslog from boot to when it starts dropping the connection to the iBlue: Oct 05 16:17:28 http://pastebin.com/m6d02990a Oct 05 16:17:47 where would I file a bug report for this do you think? Oct 05 16:18:40 the last errors are blackbox errors Oct 05 16:19:24 M -- assumed: (203, -2147483632), real: (203, 16) Oct 05 16:19:24 blackbox: Window.cc:2248: void BlackboxWindow::show(): Assertion `client.rect.left() == real_x && client.rect.top() == real_y' failed. Oct 05 16:21:10 Supervision timeout to 00:0B:0D:85:58:4F. Device out of rage? <-- genius Oct 05 16:24:47 johnx: you used start-hildon and stuff back then? my sapwood seems to go insane and refuse to load anything :P Oct 05 16:24:58 * GAN800 wants to stab something evertytime MicroB tops itself. Oct 05 16:25:14 sdp-query 00:0B:0D:85:58:4F: Oct 05 16:25:18 r|SPP|1|0|SPP slave Oct 05 16:25:37 I am lost on where to start with fixing this :( Oct 05 16:28:18 GeneralAntilles: any pointers? Oct 05 16:42:32 having some time off, hopefully ill be offline for a while ;) Oct 05 16:42:54 ok - trying hcidump after installing bluez-utils Oct 05 16:43:03 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21257&highlight=sudoers+mapper <-- similar problem but not quite Oct 05 16:43:36 also removed mac address from maemo-mapper settings but kept on bluetooth -- as suggested. Oct 05 16:46:33 Blargh lightmediascanner0-ogg Oct 05 16:47:27 bah -- thought it was stable there - but dropped again... balls. Oct 05 16:59:21 liqbase + windows = fail. http://pastebin.com/m2e9989f4 :P Oct 05 17:00:16 shit, does this mean i can't run this on my windows mobile device? Oct 05 17:00:19 ;) Oct 05 17:00:35 I can't be arsed to reboot to ubuntu to try it out :P Oct 05 17:01:03 qwerty12, need a better x server :P Oct 05 17:01:16 johnx, yeah :D Oct 05 17:01:33 I spent ages apt-getting and switching gcc versions as well... :P Oct 05 17:02:17 using windows is too difficult for me. that's why I had to give up. Maybe when the new version comes out I'll install it and play around to see if it's gotten easier :( Oct 05 17:02:59 Used vista by any chance? I'm not allowed access to C:\Documents And Settings to anymore, having to work with C:\Users Oct 05 17:04:01 I'd try vista but I don't think it supports all my hardware out of the box, and I'm not enough of a geek to go and track down drivers for all my hardware Oct 05 17:04:59 Heh, ati drivers suck as much in windows as they do in maemo. This vista is haxed to let me use dreamscene (videos playing as your background) and the driver keeps needing to be reset every 10 seconds Oct 05 17:05:22 s/maemo/linux/ Oct 05 17:05:22 qwerty12 meant: Heh, ati drivers suck as much in windows as they do in linux. This vista is haxed to let me use dreamscene (videos playing as your background) and the driver keeps needing to be reset every 10 seconds Oct 05 17:05:35 * qwerty12 has got maemo on the mind >.< Oct 05 17:05:48 ahaha...you totally missed it 10 years ago when ATi drivers used to be worse Oct 05 17:06:59 Setting up pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (5.4) ... Oct 05 17:07:01 mv: cannot rename '/usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/*': No such file or directory Oct 05 17:07:04 dpkg: error processing pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (--configure): Oct 05 17:07:05 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Oct 05 17:07:10 oh yeah, symlinks ftw, but this is old news, right Oct 05 17:07:29 That's pretty shitty scripting. At least shove an || true in that postinst... Oct 05 17:10:32 why don't I see that bug reported Oct 05 17:11:41 sp3000 it's reported. Oct 05 17:11:54 sp3000, SSU is in the summary. Oct 05 17:12:21 guess I need to scroll down Oct 05 17:12:29 who's reporting all these bugs! Oct 05 17:13:15 I can only find: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3750 Oct 05 17:13:29 yeah, that'd be it Oct 05 17:15:13 qwerty12: btw where did your 60 second boot up on s2ram statement come from? Oct 05 17:15:27 Stskeeps, I made one? Oct 05 17:15:31 .. i think so Oct 05 17:15:42 when i used s2ram it was pretty much 1-2 sec restore time Oct 05 17:15:48 (the .sh, not the closed binary) Oct 05 17:16:07 I can't have done as I've never used that script once in my life Oct 05 17:16:13 ah Oct 05 17:16:26 well my memory fails me. senility is a normal thing for uni students ;) Oct 05 17:17:46 but s2ram did help a lot on battery life, but as soon as it got near a wifi without PSM .. boom Oct 05 17:17:55 dunno why :P Oct 05 17:17:58 * sp3000 goes into bugzilla prefs to change the silly "show random bug after submit" default Oct 05 17:19:06 * sp3000 grumbles at the lack of a dpkg.log Oct 05 17:19:18 * sp3000 would have liked to apt-get install --reinstall things Oct 05 17:19:43 oh, thank you dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii Oct 05 17:21:47 Dropping the giant media/docs packages from o-s-v would make the whole process 100x more stable. Oct 05 17:22:13 iU fennec 0.8 Mozilla's mob Oct 05 17:22:14 iU osso-software-version-rx44 1:4.2008.36-5 Oct 05 17:22:16 iF pre-installed-documentation-rx44 5.4 Pre-installed Oct 05 17:22:18 iF xulrunner 1.9.1b1pre-20080923171103 Project aimin Oct 05 17:27:26 heh Oct 05 17:27:29 Setting up xulrunner (1.9.1b1pre-20080923171103) ... Oct 05 17:27:31 Segmentation fault (core dumped) Oct 05 17:27:33 dpkg: error processing xulrunner (--configure): Oct 05 17:27:35 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139 Oct 05 17:27:38 that's promising :P Oct 05 17:28:00 oh, it does that on remove, too. clever :D Oct 05 17:28:07 Same here Oct 05 17:28:19 I killed it with fire. Oct 05 17:32:38 * sp3000 gently edits /var/lib/dpkg/info/xulrunner.prerm Oct 05 17:32:55 hi Oct 05 17:33:34 I think it fails trying to remove /usr/local/bin Oct 05 17:34:04 nah, it warns about "`/usr/local' not empty so not removed", that's pretty common Oct 05 17:34:19 hah, next error: Oct 05 17:34:22 Setting up pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (5.4) ... Oct 05 17:34:24 chown: /home/user/MyDocs/.images: Operation not permitted Oct 05 17:34:26 dpkg: error processing pre-installed-documentation-rx44 (--configure): Oct 05 17:34:28 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Oct 05 17:34:45 Nokia-N810-23-14:~# ls -lahd /home/user/MyDocs/.images Oct 05 17:34:47 lrwxrwxrwx 1 user users 17 Jul 15 00:53 /home/user/MyDocs/.images -> /media/mmc2/Kuvat Oct 05 17:34:52 so more of the same Oct 05 17:35:13 Better to just forget MyDocs exists. Oct 05 17:35:18 or Oct 05 17:35:26 ~boot-sd Oct 05 17:35:27 boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Oct 05 17:35:48 sp3000 fakeroot apt-get upgrade Oct 05 17:36:11 yeah, breaking the "everything under $HOME belongs to the user...only!" rule has obvious consequences... Oct 05 17:37:07 nokia really should have know better... Oct 05 17:37:13 Haaa Oct 05 17:37:53 Nokia knowing better . . . you're a funny man, johnx. :P Oct 05 17:37:59 Moo all Oct 05 17:38:09 "Those who don't learn from Unix are doomed to reimplement it poorly." Oct 05 17:38:11 m00 Oct 05 17:38:15 m00f Oct 05 17:38:15 there are companies that know worse than nokia though Oct 05 17:38:27 at least they don't have us running as root... Oct 05 17:38:35 johnx: no, "Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to invent it again and again. Poorly." Oct 05 17:39:06 johnx: Which is exactly what we see from Microsoft Oct 05 17:39:09 It's amazing the people who swarm out of the woodwork to defend off-topic spam. Oct 05 17:39:58 GAN: Heh, you remind me... Oct 05 17:40:38 * RST38h thanks Cthulhu who kept him from installing latest Pidgin "updates" Oct 05 17:41:04 RST38h, I've hard it both ways. so has google Oct 05 17:41:08 jott: we need to fix that mute bug i showed you Oct 05 17:41:14 jott: then increment and release :P Oct 05 17:41:39 On bug per release. Oct 05 17:42:06 it's the only bug that I know of at present that is actually fixable on our side Oct 05 17:42:13 we still need dsme Oct 05 17:43:01 * rm_you prods lcuk Oct 05 17:43:26 hi rm, im not meant to be here Oct 05 17:43:34 lol Oct 05 17:43:37 have you tried my package yet ? :D Oct 05 17:43:43 no <_< Oct 05 17:43:46 i've been Oct 05 17:43:48 ... gone Oct 05 17:44:03 http://liqbase.net/up/liqbase_0.0.3_armel.deb Oct 05 17:44:07 ahhh, welcome back Oct 05 17:44:30 yeah will be disappearing shortly again this next week :P Oct 05 17:44:47 ooh, anywhere exciting? Oct 05 17:45:12 not really for you :P Oct 05 17:46:40 heh Oct 05 17:50:57 what the heck? Oct 05 17:51:02 chown -R $USERID:$USERGID $USERHOME/MyDocs Oct 05 17:51:17 * sp3000 suspects that second thing is some busybox bug Oct 05 17:51:53 upgrade script does that? Oct 05 17:51:59 heh Oct 05 17:52:05 that's far from kosher Oct 05 17:52:12 and if it fails, dies? Oct 05 17:52:15 isn't the problem that tyou're trying to move a symlink to a fat32 partition? >_> Oct 05 17:52:32 i'd like to start a petition for lynching the person writing upgrade scripts for maemo Oct 05 17:52:34 lrwxrwxrwx 1 user users 17 Jul 15 00:53 /home/user/MyDocs/.images -> /media/mmc2/Kuvat Oct 05 17:52:49 rm_you, that's allowed Oct 05 17:52:51 rm_you: yeah, but surely chown -R shouldn't fail on that Oct 05 17:52:56 a symlink can *point* anywhere Oct 05 17:52:59 srsly? what does it do? Oct 05 17:53:05 just copy the file? Oct 05 17:53:15 yeah but fat32 doesn't support symlinks? Oct 05 17:53:23 so... does it just make another copy of the file there? Oct 05 17:53:26 rm_you, but the symlink is on jffs2 Oct 05 17:53:35 the *target* is on the fat fs Oct 05 17:53:36 and isn't it MOVING it to the fat32? Oct 05 17:53:42 a symlink is just a ponter to a path, it makes no difference what fs type the target is on Oct 05 17:53:47 pointer even Oct 05 17:53:58 ah no Oct 05 17:54:05 right i know Oct 05 17:54:14 i thought it was moving the link to a fat32 system Oct 05 17:54:21 misread Oct 05 17:54:25 ah Oct 05 17:54:37 anyhow, wtf is bb chown managing to fail there? Oct 05 17:54:53 btw, what does happen if you move a symlink to a fat32? Oct 05 17:54:54 it's like it's trying to traverse a symlink on -R, which I think would be ...bad? Oct 05 17:54:55 sp3000: cos it recurses into .images and cannot chown on a fat32.. Oct 05 17:54:57 does it copy the file? Oct 05 17:56:01 Stskeeps: $USER@random-ubuntu-box:~$ mkdir test; ln -s /root test/root && chown -R $USER test && echo $? => 0 Oct 05 17:56:19 sp3000: so chown behaviour differs in busybox and in normal chown? Oct 05 17:56:27 anyway, bbiab Oct 05 17:56:47 ~ $ mkdir test; ln -s /root test/root && chown -R $USER test && echo $? Oct 05 17:56:48 sp3000: check for busybox bug report, the busybox on tablet is .. old Oct 05 17:56:49 chown: test/root: Operation not permitted Oct 05 17:56:51 oh ffs Oct 05 17:57:00 yeah, that's clearly insane :) Oct 05 17:58:58 sp3000: http://bugs.busybox.net/view.php?id=310 Oct 05 17:59:28 GRmblblblb Oct 05 17:59:43 it is a real pain to use the autobuilder with a long chain if dependencies... Oct 05 18:01:31 Stskeeps: probably not it Oct 05 18:01:36 http://www.busybox.net/lists/busybox/2006-August/023783.html is later Oct 05 18:02:01 mm Oct 05 18:02:15 hahaha Oct 05 18:02:26 ~ $ mkdir test; ln -s /root test/root && chown -P $USER test && echo $? Oct 05 18:02:28 chown: invalid option -- P Oct 05 18:02:30 Usage: chown [-RhLHP]... OWNER[<.|:>[GROUP]] FILE... Oct 05 18:02:56 win! Oct 05 18:03:01 a winner is you! Oct 05 18:07:14 [6~ Oct 05 18:07:19 moo Oct 05 18:09:55 * lcuk2 waves at qole Oct 05 18:10:50 * qole plays with liqbase Oct 05 18:11:30 :O Oct 05 18:11:35 i blew his machine up Oct 05 18:13:36 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=230689&postcount=17 <- FINALLY, some sanity Oct 05 18:16:20 Stskeeps, its nice to hear things like that Oct 05 18:17:16 we can get it down to maybe 15 seconds, but that's about it and all of the OS won't be loaded at that point Oct 05 18:17:22 * melmoth despair with the autobuilder. Oct 05 18:17:43 anybody knows why apt-get source only see old version of pakcages ? Oct 05 18:17:55 and why is there no apt-get source available for the non devel extra repo ? Oct 05 18:21:38 Stskeeps, isn't it great how igor always brings the awesome? Oct 05 18:21:51 GeneralAntilles: authoriative statements are always good Oct 05 18:22:43 or atleast someone who's actually been working with it Oct 05 18:24:51 What consumer electronics device boots in 5s? None of my cell phones have. My palm pda didn't (though it was probably closest). Just leave the thing run. Oct 05 18:25:07 my video does Oct 05 18:25:18 mine doesn't :( Oct 05 18:25:18 and the wii does Oct 05 18:25:23 My calculator does. :P Oct 05 18:25:27 The Wii so does not. Oct 05 18:25:33 im sure it does Oct 05 18:25:35 * lcuk2 rechecks Oct 05 18:25:36 dick-richardson: i think it would be possible if you did proper dependancy booting and goal-oriented such as start bluetooth services when needed and stuff Oct 05 18:25:41 and that's the goal with OHM/Upstart Oct 05 18:25:48 but it's a lot of tedious work Oct 05 18:26:08 pointless...improve power management so it doesn't have to Oct 05 18:26:32 then you have "instant on" and a host of other benefits Oct 05 18:26:38 dick-richardson, yeah, that's what Nokia is actually doing. ;) Oct 05 18:26:44 suspend to sd could be interesting Oct 05 18:26:46 :P Oct 05 18:26:54 and wasteful and bugfidden Oct 05 18:27:03 my phone takes about 30sec to boot up and thats a simple thing Oct 05 18:28:47 i think a soft reboot might be a good thing for maemo Oct 05 18:28:53 kill X, restart services Oct 05 18:29:03 that's 99% of my non-deblet related reboots Oct 05 18:29:07 easy enough...i do it all the time Oct 05 18:29:17 just need an icon for 'sudo init 6' Oct 05 18:29:34 which I also have Oct 05 18:29:44 lcuk2, booting the wii from cold power off? or the usual "suspend" it does? Oct 05 18:30:00 dick-richardson, /etc/systemui/systemui.xml Oct 05 18:30:08 i dunno, i just know ive never had an extended wait period Oct 05 18:30:26 It's not really a slow boot either way Oct 05 18:30:37 But when you count the game startup time. :P Oct 05 18:30:37 GeneralAntilles: my gripe isn't really the slow boot Oct 05 18:30:45 GeneralAntilles: it's how much it rapes the battery when not on charger Oct 05 18:31:08 I want one of those little jet engines for the tablet. Oct 05 18:31:22 i'd be happy with a fuel cell Oct 05 18:31:23 :P Oct 05 18:32:12 nuclear Oct 05 18:32:35 warming your pocket with sweet radiation.. Oct 05 18:32:35 or hand-crank Oct 05 18:32:57 5 or 6 german cockroaches on treadmills. Oct 05 18:33:01 radio-isotope FTW! Oct 05 18:33:25 mine went 83.6% -> 82.8% in 30 minutes, screen off, xchat online via wlan, and a shell to it to tail -f the battery.log battery-status is updating every 10 minutes... Oct 05 18:33:57 ShadowJK: i imported my settings from chinook.. i suspect that's what is fucking with it Oct 05 18:34:06 I did that too Oct 05 18:34:12 except apps, I reinstalled manually Oct 05 18:34:15 same Oct 05 18:34:23 odd :) Oct 05 18:34:40 the battery.log is even being written to sd :) Oct 05 18:35:26 Why random announcements about new MIDs are relevant and on-topic for maemo-users: http://pastebin.com/d332eef95 Oct 05 18:35:36 that systemui.xml...I uncommented reboot - where will I see it? Oct 05 18:35:44 ShadowJK, though those numbers are far from accurate, even though they have lots of digits Oct 05 18:35:51 dick-richardson, powerkey menu. Oct 05 18:36:04 must have to reboot to have it reload... Oct 05 18:36:10 dick-richardson, yes. Oct 05 18:36:15 GeneralAntilles: ~50000 backlog? Oct 05 18:36:24 johnx, yeah I noticed they decrement in steps of .4 Oct 05 18:36:31 Stskeeps, hmm? Oct 05 18:36:39 GeneralAntilles: hell of a lot cleaner than my previous solution Oct 05 18:37:11 GeneralAntilles: i'm not sure if you are sarcastic or not, but the number of order backlog is actually bloody impressive :P Oct 05 18:37:24 GeneralAntilles, who cares? why argue about it and spam the list even more? Oct 05 18:37:34 johnx, I'm not. Oct 05 18:37:49 Stskeeps, perhaps, but it's still entirely irrelevant to that list. :P Oct 05 18:37:56 that's probably true, yes Oct 05 18:38:00 atom probably still eats power when idle, and the chipsets totally suck at the moment :-( Oct 05 18:38:03 GeneralAntilles, sorry, jumped to conclusions Oct 05 18:38:09 that said, i have a Atom330 board arriving next week Oct 05 18:38:23 I heard 24W at idle for one particular Atom board. Oct 05 18:38:31 No "probably" about it. Oct 05 18:38:49 the chipset eats 22W :) Oct 05 18:38:49 OMAP2 sucks next to nothing at idle, and OMAP3 basically sucks nothing. Oct 05 18:38:52 GeneralAntilles: when i get beagleboard at work i'll start hw-support packages for them btw, if that has any interest :P Oct 05 18:39:05 if they'd atleast put a laptop chipset with atom.. Oct 05 18:39:11 ShadowJK, well, the whole Beagle eats just under 2W at complete full-blast. Oct 05 18:39:25 ShadowJK, the fact that it still has to be anchored to another chipset to boot tells you how useful it will be in real embedded systems Oct 05 18:39:33 Stskeeps, how are the builds going? Oct 05 18:39:54 johnx: hildon-desktop lacks some dependancies, but libosso1-dev, libhildonhelp, libhildon are there Oct 05 18:40:07 Stskeeps, why not use hildon-desktop from debian? Oct 05 18:40:31 johnx: later version and hope(?) that it didn't screw up as bad as debian hildon-desktop did for me Oct 05 18:40:41 ah, what happened with it? Oct 05 18:41:14 loads of icons not being able to load, even if hildon-icons and themes etc were installed Oct 05 18:41:17 not sure why Oct 05 18:41:29 Do you think there'll be support in linux for the 3D cores in arms in the future? Oct 05 18:41:31 it did start sapwood and everything Oct 05 18:41:49 ShadowJK, the drivers for the SGX are shipping early next year. Oct 05 18:42:10 sgx? Oct 05 18:42:12 ah, I think hildon-icons isn't very complete. it's just the open source subset. so yeah, I guess the ubuntu packages are a more complete starting point Oct 05 18:42:24 johnx: well it didn't get remotely close to being usable Oct 05 18:42:25 * johnx should poke at mojo-ubuntu again :/ Oct 05 18:42:27 no edges and stuff Oct 05 18:42:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powervr#Series_5_.28SGX.29 Oct 05 18:42:37 Stskeeps, no side panels? Oct 05 18:42:44 dark goo, to be precise Oct 05 18:42:45 :P Oct 05 18:42:50 but clickable left bar Oct 05 18:43:05 johnx: ublet is pretty easy to make work on tablet Oct 05 18:43:45 it's an alternate debootstrap script but the whole init script tricks and stuff are the same Oct 05 18:44:24 so it would probably be just replacing debootstrap and release name to get it rolling Oct 05 18:44:34 is the ubuntu mobile stuff in their main repo or is it outside? Oct 05 18:44:45 think it's main repo Oct 05 18:44:53 found several in main repo so Oct 05 18:45:02 well, the core stuff would be Oct 05 18:47:20 ha! I know what to try it on. I'll slap it on my zaurus :) Oct 05 18:47:29 hehe Oct 05 18:47:36 roflcaekz Oct 05 18:47:44 trying mojo or? Oct 05 18:47:49 mojo Oct 05 18:47:50 or getting deblet on zaurus :P Oct 05 18:47:52 hehe Oct 05 18:48:04 I kind of wish I had a Cxx00 periodically >_> Oct 05 18:48:08 Stskeeps, debian works on zaurus in plain vanilla form Oct 05 18:48:14 rm_you, nah, they're too slow Oct 05 18:48:21 but neat Oct 05 18:48:21 painfully slow vs an n800 Oct 05 18:48:32 did they ever fix video? Oct 05 18:48:41 lack of proper fb support? Oct 05 18:48:45 can't really be fixed Oct 05 18:48:47 <_< Oct 05 18:48:50 the fb is rotated in software Oct 05 18:48:56 thought it was a driver issue or summat Oct 05 18:48:58 nothing to be done about it Oct 05 18:49:00 bleh Oct 05 18:49:13 they could optimize it more, but no one seems interested Oct 05 18:49:17 but Oct 05 18:49:24 why does the rotation matter again? Oct 05 18:49:37 * Stskeeps wonders how expensive a beagleboard laptop would be Oct 05 18:49:45 (to construct) Oct 05 18:49:55 because to make it transparent to software you have to do it in the kernel for everything Oct 05 18:50:29 Stskeeps, I've had the same idea. repeatedly. the psions look like a great shell to start with... Oct 05 18:50:58 rm_you, the cxx00 really is closer to 5500 performance than n800 performance Oct 05 18:51:08 ~lart Intel for long pipelines Oct 05 18:51:08 the 5500 played good video >_< Oct 05 18:51:08 * infobot decapitates Intel conan the destroyer style for long pipelines Oct 05 18:51:18 rm_you, on a screen with 1/4 the pixels Oct 05 18:51:21 not rotated Oct 05 18:51:23 bleh Oct 05 18:51:29 the rotation shouldnt matter Oct 05 18:51:37 mplayer will do software rotation at almost no cost Oct 05 18:51:43 johnx: Hey that was offensive! Oct 05 18:51:48 i'm still not understanding why it matters Oct 05 18:52:12 RST38h, tell me how the pxa ARMs and P4s weren't a horrible mistake Oct 05 18:52:38 johnx: P4s were, I can't say much about XScale as it is no longer with us Oct 05 18:52:38 rm_you, well, if it gets more optimized that would definitely help Oct 05 18:52:54 eh whatever. gotta go back to being gone :P Oct 05 18:53:01 bbl Oct 05 18:53:10 johnx: but the real problem in P4, according to independent sources, was speculative execution Oct 05 18:53:21 RST38h, a 400MHz xscale is a lot slower than a 400MHz OMAP2 Oct 05 18:53:39 johnx: yea, I know that... Oct 05 18:53:51 and it wasn't a great advance on the strongarm either Oct 05 18:53:59 damn this xchat, how do i make it let me enter a chan, its not lettin me type on the initial dialog Oct 05 18:54:06 Stskeeps, well, sourcing a dislay that'll work with the dvi is gonna be painful. Oct 05 18:54:15 Oh well, poor XScale has been sold to the Chinese slave owners and will surely die horrible death of starwation Oct 05 18:54:22 starvation, sorry Oct 05 18:54:28 hopefully Oct 05 18:54:28 GAN800: yeah, true Oct 05 18:54:37 Stskeeps, you can probably put one of those Xenarc touchscreens in a smaller frame. Oct 05 18:54:49 But that's $500 Oct 05 18:54:55 johnx: Ideally, I would like to it to take all the remaining PocketPCs with it Oct 05 18:55:21 RST38h, I don't care about those as long as no one points one at me Oct 05 18:55:40 (and as long as I don't have to work in any IT dept ever again where we support WinMo phones) Oct 05 18:57:15 johnx: Well, those are far from dead yet Oct 05 18:57:22 sadly Oct 05 18:57:30 and the market for them grows Oct 05 18:57:54 btw, geeks absolutely love 'em here: those WinMo phones have got all the bells and whistles and they are cheap Oct 05 18:57:55 I think I'd probably rather support iphones Oct 05 18:58:05 I m going mad... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/sword_1.5.10-8/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Oct 05 18:58:14 real wonder of chinese manufacturing Oct 05 18:58:18 can somebody tell me waht "size mismatch" in the autobuidler may mean ? Oct 05 18:58:32 melmoth: It doesn't like you? Oct 05 18:58:39 I spent the whole afternoon struggling with the builder instead of coding :-( Oct 05 18:58:50 i really dont like it neither. Oct 05 18:59:36 looks like it has not found a package Oct 05 18:59:51 The package is ther,e i just had to re re re re re push it again Oct 05 19:00:09 is clucene your package? Oct 05 19:00:13 i dotn have any src deb for stuf fi put in extras. Oct 05 19:00:43 yes, i have a long chain of dependencies to re build from scratch. clucene core/sword/python-sword/rapier Oct 05 19:00:55 lol . . . there's a weightwatchers app in Extras. Oct 05 19:01:05 size mismatch usually means that the repo scripts have fucked up Oct 05 19:01:17 melmoth: So I suggest you catch X-Fade and tell him about it Oct 05 19:02:21 autobuilder appears to be a permanent disaster though =( Oct 05 19:02:55 it built itself Oct 05 19:04:29 yes but then there was a problem putting it into extras-devel Oct 05 19:04:35 melmoth, if you upload the same version of a package twice to the repo could happen the size mismatch error Oct 05 19:04:48 i did not Oct 05 19:04:58 i use dch each time to increment it Oct 05 19:05:15 dch Oct 05 19:05:18 mmm nice Oct 05 19:05:24 does it work Oct 05 19:05:29 and as the autobuilder eat the change sword src package , each time, i have to remake all the change Oct 05 19:05:39 * melmoth has the waste of time blues Oct 05 19:05:39 mmm, i received two mails from the autobuilder mailing list with clucene-core 0.9.20-4 Oct 05 19:05:55 hi everybody. how can I add cyrillic letters і and ў, to the screen keyboard and handwriting recognition? Oct 05 19:06:07 30 min ago and 15 min ago Oct 05 19:06:24 Kompza: why is it a problem? Oct 05 19:06:38 Kompza: Cyrillic keyboard has C Oct 05 19:08:42 RST38h: those letters are used in belarusian language, and they're absent on both keyboard and handwriting. Oct 05 19:09:15 Kompza: the letters you typed look like C? and C? (i.e. normal Cs with question marks) Oct 05 19:09:40 Kompza: But if you want to add a few letters to the standard layout, look here: http://upir.cz/maemo/keyboards/ Oct 05 19:09:48 And here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/26609 Oct 05 19:10:07 RST38h: probably encodings are different, they look like i and y with tilde. Oct 05 19:10:45 Found them on Wiki Oct 05 19:10:46 yea Oct 05 19:11:18 You should be able to add them using scripts from the second URL Oct 05 19:13:34 hm... something is wrong with either qt or kde Oct 05 19:13:57 seems like fonts aren't redrawing correctly.. when i scroll a window they get all screwed Oct 05 19:14:04 * melmoth gies up Oct 05 19:14:11 personal repository it will be Oct 05 19:16:10 RST38h: thanks. Oct 05 19:27:43 melmoth: you know there is one more way to do it Oct 05 19:32:04 non-free is not a valid answer. Oct 05 19:38:38 melmoth: clucene-core was uploaded twice to extras-devel without changing version number. Oct 05 19:39:39 if there were any changes between uploads, it wont work at all Oct 05 19:39:57 nothing changes except version number. Oct 05 19:40:21 I would try to change version number anyway Oct 05 19:40:33 melmoth: increment version number, resubmit, see what happens Oct 05 19:41:15 too many problems...just too many Oct 05 19:41:25 if it still screws up, make a sacrifice to the Green One and ask him to visit XFade in his dreams Oct 05 19:42:23 but yes, in the worst case non-free it is. Oct 05 19:42:29 i m building my own repo. once i have something working where i can change and fix things fast, without having to wait an hour to see the package, without wondering where the src may be, then i may take a break, and focus on coding. Oct 05 19:42:39 then, i may re try to push it on extras Oct 05 19:43:01 own repo definitely isn't a good idea Oct 05 19:43:17 RST38h, free things in non-free will be deleted. Oct 05 19:43:33 GAN: non-free means "source not available" Oct 05 19:43:45 the stuff there is actually free :) Oct 05 19:44:02 melmoth, get it working first using your own, but 100% agree with general that you shouldnt use it. of course its best to learn about it but dont add to the fragmentation longterm Oct 05 19:44:12 RST38h, um, your point? Oct 05 19:44:34 open source packages don't belong in non-free. Oct 05 19:44:45 GAN: as long as melmoth does not make source available, it is non-free =) Oct 05 19:45:16 i know what you mean about losing coding time, i held off on packaging and svn and releases for such an age, and when i did do first svn upload, i lost almost a months worth of coding time getting it up and talking to people about it and stuff Oct 05 19:45:54 RST38h: all i uploaded was uploaded with sources. Oct 05 19:46:36 clucene-core and -dev installs for me... Oct 05 19:46:37 not my code anyway in this chain, except for the final package (rapier), who is free (it s python..hard to do hide sources even i wanted to, wich i do not) Oct 05 19:46:56 they installed for me too, it s just the build of sword that needs them that failed Oct 05 19:48:17 umgh Oct 05 19:48:33 melmoth, open source and free are two different issues :) Oct 05 19:48:43 ok, try this: 1. increment version number on clucene and upload it Oct 05 19:48:52 hi dneary Oct 05 19:49:13 2. make sure your main package requires the "new" clucene or better (i.e. >=) Oct 05 19:49:18 3. Retry build Oct 05 19:50:40 for me only problem with autobuilder is that it is too slow and you can't make batch jobs Oct 05 19:52:27 btw, there are both a clucene-core/-dev and libclucene-core/-dev that are mutually exclusive in extras-devel... Oct 05 19:58:20 sega is getting back into console business...hehehe Oct 05 19:59:09 RST38h hehe Oct 05 20:04:02 what format does the webcam use on the n8x0? V4L2? Oct 05 20:04:54 yeah Oct 05 20:05:23 crashanddie, yes Oct 05 20:05:33 v4l2src Oct 05 20:05:53 apparently there's a hack for the eee, which uses that format too Oct 05 20:06:00 in order to be able to use the webcam with flash Oct 05 20:06:41 http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1096/2137a9950nf3.jpg Oct 05 20:06:44 yeah, qole mentioned it Oct 05 20:06:58 * lcuk giggles at that picture Oct 05 20:07:01 lcuk: scary Oct 05 20:10:06 and I was thinking igor's post might actually end that stupid thread. Oct 05 20:10:18 link? Oct 05 20:10:29 god I love this song: http://www.deezer.com/track/11243 Oct 05 20:10:58 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24049 Oct 05 20:13:08 GAN800: i hoped so too.. Oct 05 20:13:18 unsubscribe and forget Oct 05 20:13:35 god I hate the itT forum Oct 05 20:14:00 It's a bad drug. Oct 05 20:14:03 unsubscribe and forget Oct 05 20:14:19 crashanddie: i don't mind some parts of it that i enjoy, but a lot of the rest.. :P Oct 05 20:14:21 I don't subscribe. Oct 05 20:14:39 I'm not talking about the content Oct 05 20:14:44 just the forum software Oct 05 20:15:03 ah Oct 05 20:15:24 I just need andre to kill the bug Oct 05 20:15:29 GAN800: "Council Edition"? Oct 05 20:15:30 :P Oct 05 20:16:10 Stskeeps, hopefull we wont be doing all the work. ;) Oct 05 20:17:07 no, but could be a interesting way to control the edition and push more towards features of it being pushed into os2008 :P Oct 05 20:17:32 "HAI Nokia, this is a bug so that I can play World of Warcraft on the n810" Oct 05 20:17:43 is there corruption on extras devel or something? Oct 05 20:18:11 two people saying size mismatch errors today Oct 05 20:18:14 I hear X-Fade is taking kick-backs. Oct 05 20:18:30 Btw, is git in extras? Oct 05 20:18:40 I saw it in builder, but can't find it with apt-cache Oct 05 20:18:40 can i play Diablo 3 on my n810, someone said it had been released Oct 05 20:18:43 Railroad Porn: http://englishrussia.com/?p=2081 (no those steam engines are not natural) Oct 05 20:18:52 Stskeeps, no, I think it's just packager failures. Oct 05 20:19:43 git is in extras-devel Oct 05 20:21:40 RST38h, my youngest loves trains, ive saved the link and will get him to tell me what each of them pics is ;) Oct 05 20:22:11 * lcuk had to draw James the otherday :| i'm crap at drawing Oct 05 20:22:17 * GAN800 had a wooden train whistle as a kid. Oct 05 20:22:51 heh, jake has so much train stuff its unreal sometimes :) Oct 05 20:23:22 at least it is not 1:20 tonka trucks... Oct 05 20:23:56 indestructable :) Oct 05 20:24:35 which can't be said about the stuff they crash into Oct 05 20:25:04 i actually think tonka trucks will be the only thing left in the next great age. when future historians and archeologists dig up our fossils, they will think we were under 12 inches high and drove yellow trucks all day Oct 05 20:26:12 omg we are the friggin doozers Oct 05 20:27:24 "I have found proof our ancestors lived with leprechauns and gnomes on a daily basis, our palaeontologist is pretty sure they even left a special room for them" Oct 05 20:28:10 I wonder what they will tell of iPods... Oct 05 20:28:55 "sir, this polished rock responds to touch. they must stroke them every day to ward of evil spirits." Oct 05 20:29:39 "It would appear that in this highly individualistic culture, people were so afraid to actually bond with unknown people, or even have a link with them, they would completely seal themselves off from the outside world. Xenophobia at its most extreme point" Oct 05 20:29:42 "john, thats a fozzilized turd" Oct 05 20:30:10 "gary, that's a fossilised apple" Oct 05 20:30:42 btw, any reason why flash 10 doesn't work on the NIT? Oct 05 20:30:53 probably same reason why svg doesnt Oct 05 20:30:54 um Oct 05 20:31:06 It hasn't been compiled for armel? Oct 05 20:31:14 lcuk, no. Oct 05 20:31:32 svg doesn't work because support wasn't included with MicroB Oct 05 20:31:49 Save time, space, and effort. Oct 05 20:32:42 yes,yes,yes - i know - im the master of minimalistic approaches. Oct 05 20:33:03 (apart form having to code my way through the jungle and basically start from scratch that it) Oct 05 20:47:13 GAN: The actual explanation has probably been "ah, fuck it all" Oct 05 20:48:56 RST38h, 'not enough time' and 'ah, fuck it all' aren't too different. Oct 05 20:49:22 well with flash 10 there could be a different explanation Oct 05 20:49:37 as in "Adobe did not provide source code and/or support on time" Oct 05 20:50:07 Not worth the effort for a platform that makes up only a very small portion of a percent of your userbase. Oct 05 20:50:27 The Flash 10 code still sucks anyway. Oct 05 20:50:59 Adobe provides the Flash plugin on the tablets. Oct 05 20:51:05 Not Nokia Oct 05 20:51:24 Did Nokia pay adobe to do it? Oct 05 20:51:56 Yes, same situation as Opera. Oct 05 20:52:58 Maybe Adobe is just taking their time. :) Oct 05 20:53:25 The code's not in a state for shipping anyway. Oct 05 20:53:52 and there's no point wasting the time to include such a small platform in your testing. Oct 05 20:53:59 indeed Oct 05 20:54:31 would just add a shitload of features, considering the flash version shipped with diablo completely killed all the audio/video input capabilities (which were already fairly non-existent) Oct 05 20:54:37 Not until after you get the bugs ironed out in all the big platforms anyway. Oct 05 20:59:27 Adobe is supposed to give Flash code for free to developers Oct 05 20:59:52 It has been proclaimed to be "open source" some time ago but I do not think that anybody has got it since then Oct 05 21:00:05 i thought that was flex? Oct 05 21:00:38 don't remember the exact details, just remember that flash player has been "open sourced" whatever adobe meant by that Oct 05 22:14:35 Huh. It suddenly became impossible to turn bluetooth on. I can't connect to my phone or turn it on manually... anyone ever had this happen to them before? :( Oct 05 22:19:28 hi ho! Oct 05 22:20:51 wish the wlan icon would show signal Oct 05 22:20:55 strength Oct 05 22:24:04 hi lcuk! Oct 05 22:24:23 hi there pupnik Oct 05 22:24:39 hows it goin Oct 05 22:24:41 i just drove 1.5 hours w.o. gps lock :| Oct 05 22:25:11 how u? Oct 05 22:25:15 well thats what you get for driving into a mining tunnel Oct 05 22:25:27 they are good i think Oct 05 22:25:41 just watched latest terminator and looking forward to reading new nive nbook Oct 05 22:25:52 hope n9x0 has much better gps Oct 05 22:26:07 niven who wrote ringworld? Oct 05 22:26:13 yeah Oct 05 22:26:27 and about 10zillion other stories :) Oct 05 22:27:17 latest book is about the homeworlds of the piersons puppeteers Oct 05 22:27:59 did you see how much vgba sped-up with fb0? Oct 05 22:28:29 no, but i think i need to have a looksie - ive had my head up my arse about liqbase for a while ;) Oct 05 22:29:51 ah - it changes fps from painful nto happy Oct 05 22:30:17 excellent, performance is key to a happy experience Oct 05 22:30:45 yes! Oct 05 22:31:08 can you give my 810 a link Oct 05 22:31:20 <- just pre-ordered a pandora Oct 05 22:31:35 it should be in extras afaik Oct 05 22:31:37 nice Oct 05 22:32:35 do i need game files or are there some there Oct 05 22:32:57 files Oct 05 22:34:04 pffft, cant we force a GBA game into the memory slot ;) Oct 05 22:43:17 Is there a way to increase the size of the top panel/notification area in Diablo to fit more icons? Oct 05 22:44:02 or make the icons thinner? Oct 05 22:44:28 lcuk: probably build an adapter Oct 05 22:45:46 mavhc, wouldnt be practical and would get nintendo lawyers on your arse Oct 05 22:45:51 mavhc: That would work too. Oct 05 22:46:30 mouser-, i dont think theres a perfect way, but tell me what icons you actually have - somethings can be combined or replacements found Oct 05 22:46:53 ie advanced brightness is a single icon that deals with brightness and volume Oct 05 22:54:01 lcuk: Pidgin, loadapplet, statusbarclock, connection, BT, GPS, Alarm, Presence, PC Connection, Last.fm. Oct 05 22:54:30 heh, would they even fit if you had the entire space? Oct 05 22:54:56 contact nokia and ask them to add an extension on the side - make the first 80 pixels 4096 pixels wide Oct 05 22:55:47 lcuk: Probably not. Taking out the lesser used ones, leaves me with advanced brightness, pidgin, loadapplet, statusbarclock, connection, BT, Presence. Oct 05 22:57:10 i see your problem..just stay offline and dont have bt enabled and you wont need most :P Oct 05 23:00:37 lcuk: Have they fixed the built-in chat to use AIM/ICQ, Yahoo, MSN yet for Diablo? I tried it in Chinook but I couldn't see any online contacts (there were some). I'd prefer not going through Jabber as a proxy to use the rest, as it simply does not seem secure. Oct 05 23:01:02 im ashamed to say i dont use my NIT for internet things very often Oct 05 23:01:16 lcuk: What do you use it for? Oct 05 23:01:20 ive certainly never configured any of the IM or email services Oct 05 23:01:30 making pretty things that i like to touch :) Oct 05 23:02:34 mouser-, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuY_fglmD8 Oct 05 23:02:55 not the best video, but it will give you an idea Oct 05 23:03:24 Both my browsers like to crash. Oct 05 23:05:19 lcuk: I was wondering what program that was when I was looking at the Summit pictures. I'll give it a try...though I really need to get this running in dual-boot so I don't keep running out of space for programs and things. Oct 05 23:05:48 mouser-, yeah - which pictures have you seen by the way, and have you managed to find any videos of it yet Oct 05 23:07:48 lcuk: Just browsing the flickr public pool. Do you need a link? Oct 05 23:08:31 no, ive seen the flickr set :) its great tim put a load up - ive been able to recognise people, but theres a load of faces i cannot remember Oct 05 23:08:49 * lcuk is upgrading liqbase so this never happens again Oct 05 23:14:15 lcuk: Libqbase looks great! Once it's a little more stable, It will probably replace Maemopad+ for note taking for me. Oct 05 23:14:39 its never been unstable for note taking, as you see i have months worth of data stored Oct 05 23:15:12 its even starting to escape my little tablet Oct 05 23:15:12 http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php Oct 05 23:15:20 lcuk: Does it support text input as well? Oct 05 23:15:41 Stupid question, probably. Oct 05 23:16:25 not at present - it used to allow me to specify a typed keyword, but that was removed as part of an upgrade. i expect it to fully support notes attached to every sketch (or standalone) in the near future Oct 05 23:16:39 and displayed inline with sketches to keep context where necessary Oct 05 23:33:20 gnite chan Oct 06 00:05:41 <|thunder> lcuk_afk; is that available to install now on my n800 ? Oct 06 00:11:49 hello all. on N810 DIABLO after running kismet wlan0 remains in monitor mode. so, wlan is broken. Any idea? help, pls. Oct 06 00:14:41 Oct 06 00:15:41 <|thunder> i think you need wireless-tools iwconfig to chagne it back, which is not compiled for armel to my knowledge. does it not reset when you reset the device ? Oct 06 00:18:16 that is the most interesting, that after reboot all remains the same Oct 06 00:18:45 i have wireless-tools on N810 Oct 06 00:18:55 <|thunder> hmm... have a look in /etc/network/interfaces does the word 'monitor' appear there ? Oct 06 00:19:12 iwconfig wlan0 mode ... Oct 06 00:19:30 <|thunder> other wise it should reset, maybe even try powering down and popping the battery out for a few mins Oct 06 00:20:16 <|thunder> iwconfig man : interface mode {managed|ad-hoc|master|...} Oct 06 00:21:09 <|thunder> Managed Oct 06 00:21:23 <|thunder> iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed Oct 06 00:21:34 <|thunder> i'd look in /etc/network/interfaces Oct 06 00:21:47 <|thunder> otherwise it should dsefauilt to managed on restart Oct 06 00:22:24 no word 'monitor' in /etc Oct 06 00:23:07 <|thunder> no. Oct 06 00:23:31 <|thunder> cat /etc/network/interfaces Oct 06 00:24:16 now trying pulling out battery Oct 06 00:25:32 <|thunder> my /etc/network/interfaces dosnt even have a reference to wlan0, which means it is handled by something else Oct 06 00:26:38 no 'monitor' in interfaces.. . even rmmod cx3110x, and then insmod cx3110x didnt fix this.. Oct 06 00:27:24 oh, i can say the same about mine Oct 06 00:28:03 |thunder: lcuk has left for the evening, so you know. Oct 06 00:33:07 it DOES work! thanks you Oct 06 00:33:28 thunder Oct 06 00:33:32 <|thunder> yep Oct 06 00:33:52 <|thunder> np :) Oct 06 00:34:02 <|thunder> n8x0 never really powers down all the way Oct 06 00:34:06 <|thunder> unless batt removed Oct 06 00:34:16 english is your native? Oct 06 00:35:40 <|thunder> yess Oct 06 00:35:42 <|thunder> ;p Oct 06 00:36:21 <|thunder> if your smart, go take out as much as you can from you ATM tonight Oct 06 00:36:30 <|thunder> better safe than sorry Oct 06 00:36:57 my n810 was shipped from amazon to russia, so i use russian layout. dont U know, which hotkey changes the layouts? Oct 06 00:37:10 <|thunder> i have n800 Oct 06 00:37:17 <|thunder> no idea Oct 06 00:37:52 <|thunder> you mean on on screen kb ? Oct 06 00:37:56 <|thunder> to change to russian ? Oct 06 00:38:49 russian letters on hardware keyboard, i mean Oct 06 00:39:08 <|thunder> ohh, no idea about that , i have no hard kb Oct 06 00:39:19 <|thunder> n800 here. i wanted 2 SD slots Oct 06 00:40:18 i can do that in control panel, but every time open control panel is not very good idea. Oct 06 00:41:40 <|thunder> i gotta get going, glad its back up and running hung_andrew Oct 06 00:42:33 <|thunder> also, not all americans are stupid, some of us know that georgia attacked YOU with US CIA aid. were not all ignorant puppets, just so you (a russian) know. Oct 06 00:42:40 ok. thank you for help Oct 06 00:42:43 <|thunder> :) Oct 06 00:43:29 you are SOO RIGHT Oct 06 00:43:59 <|thunder> i know, its just that its impossible to convince anyone of it. i watched putin lay out the entire timeline Oct 06 00:44:40 <|thunder> jump on ##infowars and maybe we can talk about it when i get back in an hour or two if your interested. (thats 2 ##'s) not 1 Oct 06 00:45:24 <|thunder> be back later Oct 06 00:45:28 interested, let's talk Oct 06 00:45:46 <|thunder> thats warms my heart, seriously Oct 06 00:45:51 <|thunder> ill be in ##infowars Oct 06 00:45:57 <|thunder> on this server Oct 06 00:46:27 in 1 or 2 hours? Oct 06 00:47:00 <|thunder> maybe sooner, just join now, ill be back in a while, i have to go drop off some baby shower invitations, ;p Oct 06 00:47:54 ok. Oct 06 00:48:06 <|thunder> :) afk, be back later Oct 06 01:16:01 GeneralAntilles: are you about? Oct 06 02:03:53 if I do, ./flasher-3.0 -l -k kernel, should that try to boot my tablet with the kernel specified? Oct 06 02:06:12 and if I have a reboot loop, is there any way to recover without flashing? Oct 06 02:08:02 that's a good question. don't suppose there's a key combo you can press to get to single-user mode on boot...? Oct 06 02:08:30 dick-richardson: are you asking me? Oct 06 02:08:37 no, the room in general Oct 06 02:08:57 dick-richardson: what tablet do you have? Oct 06 02:09:25 n810, though the hardware keys on a n800 could still be used Oct 06 02:09:41 I know you can load the tablet running a kernel from an image stored on a computer Oct 06 02:09:44 in fact...doing so would be forward compatible with the n810 Oct 06 02:15:58 is maemo.org down? Oct 06 02:16:22 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ Oct 06 02:16:39 I can get to it Oct 06 02:17:44 dick-richardson: try wiki.maemo.org Oct 06 02:18:09 dick-richardson: the main maemo site works for me Oct 06 02:19:42 It resolves, but is blank Oct 06 02:19:54 ok me too Oct 06 02:20:26 you wouldn't happen to know the command to reflash using Linux would you? Oct 06 02:20:44 hang on a sec...lemme see if I can find it Oct 06 02:22:02 ./flasher-3.0, -F Desktop/RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f Oct 06 02:22:06 is what i have Oct 06 02:22:07 yep Oct 06 02:22:13 its not working Oct 06 02:22:22 how so? Oct 06 02:22:23 I might have bricked it Oct 06 02:22:30 It is still stuck in reboot loop Oct 06 02:22:39 take the battery out Oct 06 02:22:42 am I supposed to have the power cord in? Oct 06 02:22:56 yeah I take the battery out and power on and try to flash but it doesn't work Oct 06 02:22:57 that's how I start the process...not until everything else is done Oct 06 02:23:05 yes Oct 06 02:23:07 I did that Oct 06 02:23:10 so, take the battery out Oct 06 02:23:16 put it in and leave it off Oct 06 02:23:36 yes Oct 06 02:23:37 connect the usb cable and run the command...should get an output saying that it's waiting fora suitable usb device Oct 06 02:23:42 yes yes Oct 06 02:23:44 then plug in the power cord Oct 06 02:23:45 thats what I am doing Oct 06 02:23:52 and then wait a while Oct 06 02:24:29 hmm...any sd cards in the device? Oct 06 02:24:33 yes Oct 06 02:24:39 try it with them removed Oct 06 02:24:51 you've verified the name of the utility and the firmware? Oct 06 02:24:51 hmm Oct 06 02:25:00 yes, I used them before Oct 06 02:25:02 to flash Oct 06 02:25:11 check the md5sum for the firmware, just for grins Oct 06 02:25:19 ok Oct 06 02:25:32 when I plugged in, it went bezerk Oct 06 02:25:47 <|thunder> hung_andrew; you still here ? Oct 06 02:25:52 it flashed the boot screen repeatedly about 10 times really quickly and then turned off Oct 06 02:26:05 only thing I can think of is bad sd card, bad firmware, or bad hardware Oct 06 02:26:15 you going through a usb hub? Oct 06 02:27:29 no Oct 06 02:27:50 maybe try a different usb port, too...other than that I got nothin' Oct 06 02:29:37 ah crap Oct 06 02:29:41 I think it is bricked Oct 06 02:31:23 :( Oct 06 02:35:57 anyone have a stardict dictionary? I um unable to get one from their site. Oct 06 02:45:24 Sounds like low battery. Oct 06 02:45:48 not being able to download a dictionary...that's an odd symptom Oct 06 02:46:46 GeneralAntilles: hey, can you help me get my tablet working again? Oct 06 02:46:52 are you just being sanctimonious again? ;) Oct 06 02:47:08 I'm always sanctimonious. Oct 06 02:47:22 I always figured it for a quality aspect of my personality than a flaw. :P Oct 06 02:47:44 hehe Oct 06 02:48:15 GeneralAntilles: I am stuck in the reboot loop even when I try to flash my device Oct 06 02:48:18 EruditeHermit, it may not have enough power to start up properly. Oct 06 02:48:25 oh Oct 06 02:48:38 or download dictionaries Oct 06 02:48:56 I'm not sure how much juice will actually make it into to battery if you leave it connected looping. Oct 06 02:49:30 yank the battery, put it back and leave it off, and charge it overnight Oct 06 02:50:01 and DON'T download dictionaries Oct 06 02:50:02 its not getting to the charging screen Oct 06 02:50:07 If there's enough power to set an RD flag, you could turn the appropriate watchdog off. Oct 06 02:50:11 flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R Oct 06 02:50:22 That will stop it from being killed Oct 06 02:50:39 It should at least be able to charge that way. Oct 06 02:51:20 hmm Oct 06 02:51:23 nope Oct 06 02:51:34 there is no connectivity between the tablet and the device Oct 06 02:51:45 the USB icon appears briefly and then disappears Oct 06 02:51:55 and the console output doesn't indicate that it even finds the device Oct 06 02:52:11 Oh Oct 06 02:52:12 hmm Oct 06 02:52:17 What USB cable are you using? Oct 06 02:52:39 I am using a USB cable from an external hard drive that I found Oct 06 02:52:47 it works with the external hard drive Oct 06 02:52:52 EruditeHermit, you mean, you plug in the USB cable, hold down the Home key and power it up, and the USB symbol appears, disappears and it tries to boot? Oct 06 02:53:02 yes Oct 06 02:53:19 and you are holding down the Home key? Oct 06 02:53:45 hmm Oct 06 02:54:02 I guess I wasn't doing that Oct 06 02:54:04 now that I did Oct 06 02:54:14 it is stuck at the screen with the USB icon Oct 06 02:54:19 and the blue LED is on Oct 06 02:54:20 OK, good! Oct 06 02:54:27 Send the flashing command. Oct 06 02:54:46 Suitable USB device not found, waiting Oct 06 02:55:16 Hrm Oct 06 02:55:27 plug it in Oct 06 02:55:38 ok Oct 06 02:55:39 no change Oct 06 02:55:49 should I repeat the whole process with it plugged in? Oct 06 02:56:02 No Oct 06 02:56:12 Now why wouldn't the computer be seeing the tablet. Oct 06 02:56:25 The tablet knows its plugged in, since it went into flashing mode. Oct 06 02:56:44 I'd run the command on the desktop...then put the tablet into flashing mode Oct 06 02:56:55 thats what I did first Oct 06 02:57:09 ^^ @ dick-richardson Oct 06 02:57:38 sudo ./flasher-3.0, -F Desktop/RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R is what I am doing Oct 06 02:57:41 Shouldn't matter the order. Oct 06 02:57:58 also tried sudo ./flasher-3.0, --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R Oct 06 02:58:26 why does flasher-3.0, have a , after it btw? Oct 06 02:58:26 Can you check dmesg or somesuch to see if it enumerates the device? Oct 06 02:58:49 Weird proxying on the server. Oct 06 02:59:02 It's downloads as "flasher-3.0, attachment" on Safari. Oct 06 02:59:31 hmm Oct 06 02:59:37 what am i looking for? Oct 06 02:59:44 give me something to grep for **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 06 02:59:57 2008