**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 06 02:59:57 2008
Oct 06 03:00:37 * GeneralAntilles doesn't use proper Linux machines regularly.
Oct 06 03:00:40 <bef0rd> unplug the devicen then tail -f /var/log/messages, then plug it again and check what appears
Oct 06 03:00:46 <bef0rd> s/devicen/device/
Oct 06 03:00:46 <infobot> bef0rd meant: unplug the device then tail -f /var/log/messages, then plug it again and check what appears
Oct 06 03:03:55 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 06 03:03:57 <EruditeHermit> I am confused
Oct 06 03:04:04 <EruditeHermit> I plugged in my USB HD in before this
Oct 06 03:04:10 <EruditeHermit> so some of the output may be from that
Oct 06 03:04:14 <EruditeHermit> but here it is
Oct 06 03:05:33 <EruditeHermit> actually
Oct 06 03:05:47 <EruditeHermit> nothing new is being added to /var/log/messages
Oct 06 03:07:16 <EruditeHermit> the last event is the disconnect of the external hard drive
Oct 06 03:08:00 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles, bef0rd: now what?
Oct 06 03:08:21 <GeneralAntilles> Well, I'd leave it on the charger for a bit.
Oct 06 03:08:32 <bef0rd> that must be why the flasher is unable to detect it
Oct 06 03:08:47 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: its not even getting to the charching screen
Oct 06 03:08:56 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think we can entirely rule out the USB cable, as I've had 3 USB cables from external hard drives and card readers that simply do not work with my tablet.
Oct 06 03:09:14 <GeneralAntilles> I can't explain it, I'd expect USB cables to be created equal, but there it was.
Oct 06 03:09:17 <EruditeHermit> bef0rd: is that a problem with the device or the laptop?
Oct 06 03:09:42 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 06 03:09:46 <EruditeHermit> could be the cable yes
Oct 06 03:10:48 <lopz> night
Oct 06 03:11:19 <bef0rd> yea, I get two messages when plugging it with the home key down
Oct 06 03:11:21 <bef0rd> Oct  5 22:08:21 pwnzi kernel: [40211.894236] usb 4-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
Oct 06 03:11:21 <bef0rd> Oct  5 22:08:21 pwnzi kernel: [40212.091381] usb 4-5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Oct 06 03:13:38 <EruditeHermit> so is it possible that the device is not behaving properly to generate that kernel event or is it the cable that is not allowing it to work?
Oct 06 03:14:04 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: did you ever try a camera cable?
Oct 06 03:14:19 <GeneralAntilles> Probably
Oct 06 03:14:21 <GeneralAntilles> I think it worked
Oct 06 03:15:58 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 06 03:16:09 <EruditeHermit> is there any way to test the cable?
Oct 06 03:16:21 <EruditeHermit> as I don't have access to the real cable for a few more days
Oct 06 03:16:34 <GeneralAntilles> Plug it in and try flashing.
Oct 06 03:18:13 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: nope it didn't work
Oct 06 03:21:07 <EruditeHermit> damn SSU
Oct 06 03:21:26 <EruditeHermit> ruining my tablet
Oct 06 03:25:24 <bef0rd> it seems like there are some cables with 4 pins, and others with 5 pins, could you check if yours has 5?
Oct 06 03:26:16 <EruditeHermit> yes it has 5 pins
Oct 06 03:28:06 <EruditeHermit> bef0rd: actually, does your cable have 5 pins that stick out?
Oct 06 03:28:42 <EruditeHermit> bef0rd: my cable only has 5 pins that are attached to some plastic enclosing the top part of the plug
Oct 06 03:29:06 <EruditeHermit> they aren't actual pins like you would see in a VGA cable
Oct 06 03:29:31 <EruditeHermit> more like contacts in a standard USB type A
Oct 06 03:30:10 <dick-richardson> that's what the mini usb cable should look like
Oct 06 03:32:21 <EruditeHermit> how long is the warranty on a tablet?
Oct 06 03:32:39 <GeneralAntilles> 1 year.
Oct 06 03:32:46 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 06 03:32:57 <EruditeHermit> maybe I can get a replacement if this doesn't work
Oct 06 03:32:58 <dick-richardson> I've had no problems with nokia support, give 'em a call
Oct 06 03:33:36 <bef0rd> http://images.shopping.msn.com/img/1/2948/28/3074917.jpg
Oct 06 03:34:20 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 06 03:34:27 <EruditeHermit> it looks like the one on the left
Oct 06 03:35:13 <GeneralAntilles> That's Micro
Oct 06 03:35:31 <dick-richardson> and only works with the n810
Oct 06 03:35:39 <GeneralAntilles> EruditeHermit, personally, I don't think there's anything wrong that you can't fix.
Oct 06 03:36:12 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 06 03:36:37 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: any other ideas for resolving it or do you think its the cable?
Oct 06 03:36:45 <EruditeHermit> btw thanks guys for helping me
Oct 06 03:37:09 <GeneralAntilles> Cable or the low battery.
Oct 06 03:37:13 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: if you are out of ideas, I will wait till I get home 2 days from now
Oct 06 03:37:14 <GeneralAntilles> I'd try leaving it plugged in for a while.
Oct 06 03:37:18 <GeneralAntilles> even if it's looping.
Oct 06 03:37:22 <bef0rd> oh I thought it was a n810
Oct 06 03:37:27 <EruditeHermit> n800
Oct 06 03:37:48 <EruditeHermit> sorry if I didn't make it clear
Oct 06 03:38:35 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: if it is not charging, the looping may drain battery and stop me from ever solving it right?
Oct 06 03:39:06 <GeneralAntilles> I wouldn't think so, but I can't guarantee it.
Oct 06 03:39:17 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: it was a full battery before all this, and I haven't allowed it to loop for long
Oct 06 03:39:32 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: I keep taking the battery out soon after I see it is looping
Oct 06 03:40:01 <EruditeHermit> I think it is more likely the cable than the battery
Oct 06 03:41:30 <EruditeHermit> its annoying that it partially boots the tablet to charge it
Oct 06 03:41:57 <GeneralAntilles> True of just about all consumer electronics.
Oct 06 03:43:37 <EruditeHermit> laptops don't
Oct 06 03:43:52 <dick-richardson> because the circuitry is separate
Oct 06 03:46:08 <GeneralAntilles> I want some DIP switches for the RD flags for the retro factor.
Oct 06 03:47:34 <EruditeHermit> DIP switches?
Oct 06 03:48:04 <ricko73> EruditeHermit: you've never heard of a DIP switch?
Oct 06 03:48:09 <EruditeHermit> nope
Oct 06 03:48:29 <ricko73> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIP_switch
Oct 06 03:48:35 <dick-richardson> here comes the "back in my day" stories
Oct 06 03:48:36 <ricko73> old skool
Oct 06 03:49:09 <dick-richardson> I had to punch cards and put telephones on rubber recepticles.
Oct 06 03:49:37 <ricko73> your music probably came on 4-track
Oct 06 03:49:48 <dick-richardson> I remember blowing the glass for my first monochrome crt
Oct 06 03:49:57 <EruditeHermit> lol
Oct 06 03:50:45 <ricko73> my dad has a reel to reel with a built in 4 track recorder
Oct 06 03:51:14 <dick-richardson> and we liked it that way
Oct 06 03:51:44 <ricko73> was that before or after you walked to school up hill both ways through 3 feet of snow in the middle of July?
Oct 06 03:52:02 <dick-richardson> wrapping barbed wire around our bare feet for traction
Oct 06 03:52:03 <ricko73> (with cardboard on your feet because you couldn't afford shoes)
Oct 06 03:52:16 <EruditeHermit> definitely after
Oct 06 03:52:20 <GeneralAntilles> Oh! Oh! Tell us about the foxes!
Oct 06 03:52:36 <ricko73> anyway, time for bed
Oct 06 03:52:55 <ricko73> I did show off my n810 at BarcampMilwaukee
Oct 06 03:53:09 <ricko73> toted it around all weekend
Oct 06 03:53:30 <EruditeHermit> what is a cold flash?
Oct 06 03:54:30 <ricko73> toted means carried it around.
Oct 06 03:55:04 <GeneralAntilles> EruditeHermit, it's a lower-level recovery mode.
Oct 06 03:55:22 <GeneralAntilles> Let's you flash stuff when the bootloader is trashed.
Oct 06 03:55:25 <GeneralAntilles> but your bootloader is just fine.
Oct 06 03:56:08 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 06 03:56:27 <EruditeHermit> I really think its the cable then
Oct 06 03:58:38 * EruditeHermit must never forget his cable again
Oct 06 03:59:23 <GeneralAntilles> EruditeHermit, also, install fanoush's bootmenu next time.
Oct 06 03:59:41 <GeneralAntilles> Even if you don't dual-boot, it's still useful for giving you a usbnet console to fix stuff with.
Oct 06 03:59:58 <GeneralAntilles> Alternatively, you could clone a small install to one of your SD cards as a recovery partition.
Oct 06 04:02:21 <EruditeHermit> I just hope that I can fix this and that I don't have to call nokia
Oct 06 04:02:45 <GeneralAntilles> Extremely unlikely.
Oct 06 04:04:02 <dick-richardson> can I get audible notification for new mail?
Oct 06 04:04:25 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Oct 06 04:04:31 <GeneralAntilles> You can get a visual notification.
Oct 06 04:04:37 <dick-richardson> got that
Oct 06 04:04:50 <dick-richardson> and audible+visual for new chats
Oct 06 04:05:05 <GeneralAntilles> I don't know of a configuration for an audible notification for email.
Oct 06 04:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> You could hook into dbus to trigger your own
Oct 06 04:05:24 <GeneralAntilles> Then go file an enhancement request.
Oct 06 04:06:39 <dick-richardson> Not really worth either...just an idle consideration
Oct 06 04:28:37 <Macer> hm... does xfce use a composite wm?
Oct 06 04:30:49 <RST38h> afaik not
Oct 06 04:45:34 <Luria> hi, does anyone use ubuntu eee?
Oct 06 04:45:42 <Luria> oops
Oct 06 04:45:48 <Luria> sorry wrong channel
Oct 06 04:47:22 <GAN800> RST38h, what's the default scaling in windowed mode for VGBA?
Oct 06 04:59:28 <Prez00> hello
Oct 06 05:59:12 <solmumaha> morning
Oct 06 06:02:06 <tigert> mrn
Oct 06 06:36:10 <tekojo> Morning!
Oct 06 07:06:10 <tigert> o/
Oct 06 07:17:09 <RST38h> moo tigert
Oct 06 07:38:33 <nomis> moin.
Oct 06 07:49:48 <tigert> moin
Oct 06 07:50:06 <nomis> tigert: \o/
Oct 06 07:50:24 <nomis> hi dave.
Oct 06 07:53:10 <tigert> hi simon
Oct 06 07:55:41 <nomis> tigert: remember our discussion at the summit? This is the Game I was talking about: http://members.chello.at/theodor.lauppert/games/ishido.htm
Oct 06 07:56:41 <tigert> nomis: ok
Oct 06 07:59:04 <nomis> Mhm, I at some point had a site with lots of screenshots and different themes. I don't find it anymore.
Oct 06 07:59:30 <tigert> looks like mahjong
Oct 06 08:00:21 <nomis> http://www.rawgamer.com/img/magnifier/?fn=dos_pc/i/ishido-the-way-of-stones/screen/ishido-the-way-of-stones-0002.jpg  is a nice theme as well.
Oct 06 08:01:07 <nomis> it is kind of inverse-mahjong. You have to place down stones in matching positions.
Oct 06 08:02:48 <nomis> I have the game logic in place in a working mockup, but it needs some maemo-porting and tuning-for-touch.
Oct 06 08:03:31 <nomis> (as well as score keeping and stuff)
Oct 06 08:09:23 <tigert> yea
Oct 06 08:20:58 <lishevita> good morning, world...
Oct 06 08:34:24 <mouser-> good morning lishevita
Oct 06 08:38:57 <arachnist> hi
Oct 06 08:39:14 <arachnist> where does icd2 store its saved connection settings?
Oct 06 08:39:53 <arachnist> i need to set aes cypher for the wifi at my work, and the ui doesn't show an option for it anywhere
Oct 06 08:59:50 <johnx> arachnist, likely in gconf
Oct 06 09:09:10 <RST38h> moo, johnx
Oct 06 09:09:16 <johnx> m00f!
Oct 06 09:10:33 <GeneralAntilles> Clarus!
Oct 06 09:11:02 <RST38h> GAN: iTT has got another "Diablo sucks" thread - I am sure you will be delighted =)
Oct 06 09:11:17 <GeneralAntilles> He's not much of a troll.
Oct 06 09:11:23 <RST38h> Beats "5 second boot" one hands down
Oct 06 09:11:42 <RST38h> Well, he is not clinically insane like Darius, if you meant that
Oct 06 09:13:05 <GeneralAntilles> That thread is basically a clone of 2 or 3 others.
Oct 06 09:13:13 <GeneralAntilles> Been there, done that.
Oct 06 09:13:20 <GeneralAntilles> Bored with the "ur just a bunch of stoopid geeks" routine.
Oct 06 09:13:24 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, http://www.avernus.com/~allon/clarus.jpeg
Oct 06 09:13:40 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, <3
Oct 06 09:14:34 <johnx> RST38h, i smiled at that one til he said "I've been a windows admin for xx years" then I just broke out laughing
Oct 06 09:15:00 <Jaffa> Yay. Did we have real concrete confirmation of A2DP and AVRCP being out-of-the-box working in fremantle before?
Oct 06 09:15:27 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, it was mentioned during the summit.
Oct 06 09:20:13 <RST38h> johnx: He is either joking or he is an MSSP
Oct 06 09:20:50 <johnx> or MCSE or another one of the bazillion 4 letter acronyms
Oct 06 09:21:53 <RST38h> Isn't it like a really BAD thing to boast about on an interview?
Oct 06 09:22:16 <GeneralAntilles> They usually seem to be Microsoft something or others when they come out of the gate ranting and raving like that.
Oct 06 09:22:59 <johnx> it's a frustrating experience for them to learn that all those years figuring out windows' little quirks didn't actually teach them about what goes on behind the scenes in a computer
Oct 06 09:24:13 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder how many of them are actually certified and not just bringing it up because they thing it'll impress people.
Oct 06 09:24:15 <RST38h> Well, he can always buy an HTC WinMo device. Has anyone suggested him that?
Oct 06 09:24:40 <RST38h> GAN: Oh they are all certified, it does not take much
Oct 06 09:25:01 <johnx> RST38h, he just wants to rant and make personal attacks on his perceived tormenters
Oct 06 09:25:02 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Oct 06 09:25:19 <RST38h> johnx: torment him more!!!
Oct 06 09:25:29 <GeneralAntilles> Well, my point was not that it's a difficult thing to attain, only that some of them seem more like dumb children who thing it's an impressive thing to have.
Oct 06 09:25:42 <johnx> heh
Oct 06 09:25:59 <GeneralAntilles> s/thing/think/
Oct 06 09:25:59 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Well, my point was not that it's a difficult think to attain, only that some of them seem more like dumb children who thing it's an impressive thing to have.
Oct 06 09:26:03 <johnx> they do. they're the guy everyone goes to for advice on their own little island
Oct 06 09:26:11 * GeneralAntilles <- dumb children who doesn't know how to type.
Oct 06 09:26:15 <johnx> they're king of their backyard
Oct 06 09:28:49 * GeneralAntilles is king of johnx's backyard.
Oct 06 09:28:54 <johnx> O_o
Oct 06 09:38:59 <Stskeeps> johnx: brilliant post on "diablo blows" :P
Oct 06 09:39:33 <johnx> yeah, that might catch a lot of flack from windows users, but I'm ready to back it up
Oct 06 09:39:42 <AstralSt> hmmh?
Oct 06 09:39:59 <johnx> AStorm, ITT drama. It was funny so I jumped in
Oct 06 09:40:09 <AStorm> linky?
Oct 06 09:40:21 <AStorm> because, diablo indeed is unpolished
Oct 06 09:40:23 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24089
Oct 06 09:40:34 <AStorm> but not all that bad
Oct 06 09:40:56 <johnx> AStorm, and if he said "diablo is unpolished" instead of making personal attacks on anyone who posted, it would have gone better for him
Oct 06 09:42:07 <AStorm> btw, I'm getting a message about pidgin 2.5.1 being broken
Oct 06 09:42:12 <AStorm> I mean, broken .deb
Oct 06 09:42:28 <AStorm> maemo-extras, diablo
Oct 06 09:42:31 <Stskeeps> AStorm: size mismatch?
Oct 06 09:42:36 <AStorm> probably yes
Oct 06 09:42:43 <Stskeeps> 3rd person in two days then
Oct 06 09:42:56 <Stskeeps> i wonder if maemo-extras has FS corruption or something :)
Oct 06 09:43:03 <AStorm> heh
Oct 06 09:43:12 <AStorm> or just broken network connection
Oct 06 09:43:43 <RST38h> AStorm: Well, it is not unpolished enough to grant such a reaction
Oct 06 09:44:09 <arachnist> what are the chances of browser not working after latest diablo update?
Oct 06 09:44:12 <AStorm> some people are overly emotional about such imperfect things as OSes
Oct 06 09:44:23 <AStorm> arachnist: here it works
Oct 06 09:44:35 <AStorm> as in, works better than earlier
Oct 06 09:45:09 <arachnist> here it hangs at startup with the "updating" thingny in the upper-right corner
Oct 06 09:45:22 <arachnist> oh
Oct 06 09:45:23 <AStorm> also, modest finally no longer crashes in the background check
Oct 06 09:45:41 <arachnist> and i have to start /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server by hand
Oct 06 09:45:51 <AStorm> weird, that shouldn't be needed
Oct 06 09:45:59 <AStorm> how did you upgrade? full reflash?
Oct 06 09:46:15 <AStorm> also, n800 or n810?
Oct 06 09:46:20 <arachnist> n800
Oct 06 09:46:32 <arachnist> and i just ran apt-get dist-upgrade
Oct 06 09:46:37 <AStorm> wrong! :)
Oct 06 09:46:38 <johnx> aaah
Oct 06 09:46:41 <AStorm> this might break stuff
Oct 06 09:46:47 <arachnist> reflash?
Oct 06 09:46:48 <RST38h> AStorm: OSes are just large, yellow, striped flies.
Oct 06 09:47:06 <AStorm> RST38h: no, those are wasps ;P
Oct 06 09:47:16 <arachnist> AStorm: ssu didn't work the way it was intended to work? ;>
Oct 06 09:47:17 <AStorm> or bees ;)
Oct 06 09:47:23 <Stskeeps> arachnist: seamless my ass
Oct 06 09:47:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 06 09:47:29 <AStorm> arachnist: ssu works *since diablo*
Oct 06 09:47:43 <AStorm> :)
Oct 06 09:47:55 <AStorm> you get to update manually to diablo itself
Oct 06 09:47:57 <GeneralAntilles> arachnist, SSU works just fine the way it was INTENDED.
Oct 06 09:48:07 <RST38h> AStorm: Osa (russian) - wasp
Oct 06 09:48:08 <GeneralAntilles> arachnist, apt-get dist-upgrade is not how it was intended.
Oct 06 09:48:16 <AStorm> RST38h: same in Polish, yup ;)
Oct 06 09:48:45 <arachnist> GeneralAntilles: it was intended to be upgraded with that app manager?
Oct 06 09:48:46 <AStorm> arachnist: so, flash diablo, then just use that application manager - this is SSU
Oct 06 09:48:53 <GeneralAntilles> arachnist, yes.
Oct 06 09:48:58 <arachnist> hrm
Oct 06 09:49:10 <GeneralAntilles> It'll likely be up to speed for a clean dist-upgrade without issue soon enough
Oct 06 09:49:16 <GeneralAntilles> but Nokia management isn't exactly agile.
Oct 06 09:49:22 <AStorm> heh heh
Oct 06 09:49:39 <RST38h> Nokia is said to be one of the most bureaucratic companies in Europe
Oct 06 09:49:49 <AStorm> definitely wrong :)
Oct 06 09:49:59 <AStorm> most likely less bureaucratic than most others
Oct 06 09:50:19 <AStorm> e.g. simple TP s.a. AKA Orange Poland ;)
Oct 06 09:50:50 <RST38h> Cellular providers cannot participate in the competition
Oct 06 09:51:02 <RST38h> They are SO FAR ahead of all of us in this aspect...
Oct 06 09:51:08 <AStorm> hehe
Oct 06 09:51:31 <AStorm> can academic institutions participate?
Oct 06 09:51:40 <AStorm> because then, we win
Oct 06 09:51:48 <RST38h> Not really - most of them are pretty good once you puncture the surface
Oct 06 09:51:52 <AStorm> I had to enter 3 forms today :>
Oct 06 09:52:20 <RST38h> it's normal, I have lost count of forms circa 1993
Oct 06 09:52:28 <AStorm> then, we get labs where we actually write project bureaucracy^Wdocumentation
Oct 06 09:52:39 <AStorm> according to some expensive IEEE norm
Oct 06 09:52:57 <RST38h> But any place that has pieces of paper in the halls saying "Please, do not leave packages with radioactive materials in the hallway" is mighty good
Oct 06 09:53:15 <AStorm> heh
Oct 06 09:53:28 <AStorm> here, you have to check them in *with a form*
Oct 06 09:54:05 <AStorm> good we don't have to fill one just to enter the lab
Oct 06 09:54:56 <AStorm> mind you, this isn't any plutonium or uranium
Oct 06 09:55:09 <AStorm> just simple cesium and cobalt isotopes
Oct 06 10:03:20 <GeneralAntilles> Ha. No wonder the tablet was refusing to charge. Left HAVA on.
Oct 06 10:04:41 <ShadowJK> hm, advanced backlight doesn't play nice with the "normal" backlight stuff.. Like, I switch it entirely off with advanced applet, then shine light at the light sensor, and it comes back on :P
Oct 06 10:05:07 <johnx> ShadowJK, buy rm_you an n810 so he can work on it :)
Oct 06 10:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> Switch what off?
Oct 06 10:05:24 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, more like find the dsme/mce sourcecode.
Oct 06 10:06:07 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, the backlight, off
Oct 06 10:06:13 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it's not that interesting really. the problem is that nokia's stuff depends on it
Oct 06 10:06:57 <ShadowJK> There's probably a daemon or bit in the kernel that reads the ambient light level and adjust backlight strength based on the settings in the "normal" backlight applet or control panel setting...
Oct 06 10:07:26 <ShadowJK> So whatever setting I make with the advanced backlight applet stays in effect only as long as ambient light level stays the same
Oct 06 10:07:34 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, well, that code will let us play with light sensor logic for the backlight without having to either A. re-implement or B. step all over Nokia's code.
Oct 06 10:07:56 <Stskeeps> DSME is just a framework though..
Oct 06 10:08:08 <Stskeeps> the modules that it loads are the things that makes it tick
Oct 06 10:08:15 <johnx> I guess if it's open source we can just take it out and replace it with a neutered one that receives the same signals but doesn't do anything
Oct 06 10:08:25 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, there are more details on the wiki about what's being released with DSME.
Oct 06 10:08:38 <Stskeeps> url?
Oct 06 10:08:48 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, wiki.maemo.org
Oct 06 10:08:52 <GeneralAntilles> check the recent changes
Oct 06 10:08:58 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, or slap a configuration front-end on it so everybody's happy.
Oct 06 10:09:02 <AStorm> ShadowJK: yes, advanced backlight doesn't override that daemon
Oct 06 10:09:15 <AStorm> ShadowJK: set original backlight to zero
Oct 06 10:09:37 <AStorm> someone should extend adv. backlight with light sensor support
Oct 06 10:09:45 <AStorm> maybe I'll do it later, it's a tiny hack
Oct 06 10:09:58 <ShadowJK> you can't set original to 0 though?
Oct 06 10:10:04 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, problem isn't implementing the support, but dealing with Nokia's code.
Oct 06 10:10:07 <AStorm> isn't it dme that's setting original backlight?
Oct 06 10:10:14 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles: well, you can poll proc
Oct 06 10:10:20 <AStorm> that's enough
Oct 06 10:10:42 <ShadowJK> poll it and override whenever nokia's software has changed it? heh
Oct 06 10:10:44 <GeneralAntilles> If adv-backlight is acting on the light sensor input, and Nokia's code is acting on the light sensor input, then they'll just fight eachother.
Oct 06 10:10:47 <AStorm> and disable the internal backlight by setting it to lowest level (in control panel)
Oct 06 10:10:47 <GeneralAntilles> Which doesn't work.
Oct 06 10:10:48 <ShadowJK> I guess inotify doesn't work for /sys...
Oct 06 10:10:53 <AStorm> ShadowJK: no, you don't have to
Oct 06 10:11:03 <AStorm> because if you set it to lowest level, autocontrol is disabled
Oct 06 10:11:09 <ShadowJK> ah
Oct 06 10:13:53 <lcuk_remote> is there an irc command to check the temp of a user?
Oct 06 10:14:16 <lcuk_remote> i wanna know if my home is burnin down :S vnc are failed :(
Oct 06 10:14:53 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: thats a boring oss release
Oct 06 10:15:06 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, token open sourcing.
Oct 06 10:15:10 <GeneralAntilles> I'm gonna complain about it.
Oct 06 10:15:29 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: most of that is already reverse engineered
Oct 06 10:15:35 <Stskeeps> but
Oct 06 10:16:21 <GeneralAntilles> Well, we can ship patches with the community edition that'll play nice with the rest of the Nokia stuff without having to play cat and mouse, I guess.
Oct 06 10:16:33 <Stskeeps> if they document all dsme protocol, that would be good
Oct 06 10:17:55 <Stskeeps> then oss dsme would be good and some closed modules is fait
Oct 06 10:17:59 <Stskeeps> fair
Oct 06 10:26:19 <GAN800> andre___, any word on the templates for garage tracking? :(
Oct 06 10:28:54 <dfaure> many instructions mention "deb http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ diablo extras" for getting qt4, but this repo doesn't seem to exist anymore
Oct 06 10:29:23 <GAN800> It's all in Extras/Extras-devek
Oct 06 10:29:33 <GAN800> ~extras
Oct 06 10:29:34 <infobot> methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Oct 06 10:30:23 <dfaure> I got it from repository.maemo.org but qmake --version segfaults  (this is in scratchbox, using target DIABLO_ARMEL)
Oct 06 10:31:11 <dfaure> it's an ARM binary though...
Oct 06 10:31:44 <andre___> GAN800, uhm, not really... guenther was working on that :-/
Oct 06 10:33:16 <GAN800> Be cool to have it in time for Canola's open source launch.
Oct 06 10:34:21 <macoute_> is Canola going to be open sourced?
Oct 06 10:34:28 <macoute_> sounds nice
Oct 06 10:34:39 <macoute_> THEN I'd start using it ;)
Oct 06 10:35:28 * dfaure removes the ~marijn repo and reinstalls qt4
Oct 06 10:35:29 <GAN800> macoute_, like it really matters? INdT is probably one of the biggest single open source contributors to the platform.
Oct 06 10:36:05 <macoute_> GAN800: I never use closed source alternatives if I have a chance
Oct 06 10:36:14 <macoute_> so to me, it really matters
Oct 06 10:37:01 <GAN800> Meh, it's not like they're some giant proprietary software company.
Oct 06 10:37:31 <GAN800> if it weren't for the Canola guys, we wouldn't have Python, soooo. . . .
Oct 06 10:38:13 <macoute_> I'm not saying that Canola guys are like MS, but I want to support open source alternatives every time i have a chance. Now I do with Canola as well :)
Oct 06 10:39:46 <GeneralAntilles> andre___, when's guenther gonna be active again?
Oct 06 10:40:28 <andre___> he was in Helsinki last week, I hope to find out this week, too
Oct 06 10:54:12 <thopiekar> hi @ all^^
Oct 06 10:54:58 <thopiekar> could someone please tell me how to connect a rtcomm(2) with the osso_xterm?
Oct 06 10:56:45 <Mek> dfaure: the qt packages require a newer qemu than is by default enabled in scratchbox; although I thought the qt packages post-install script nowadays automatically enabled the cvs-m version of qemu in scratchbox
Oct 06 10:59:53 <Mek> dfaure: having said that, the cvs-m version of qemu that comes with scratchbox is not fully capable of running cmake :)
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 06 11:05:36 2008
Oct 06 11:08:31 <lcuk> crashanddie, you idling?
Oct 06 11:10:23 <crashanddie> lcuk, nerd drumming and working out, why?
Oct 06 11:10:45 <GAN800> <_<
Oct 06 11:12:41 <crashanddie> lcuk2, ?
Oct 06 11:12:56 <lcuk2> hiya, internets a bit choppy today
Oct 06 11:13:53 <crashanddie> lcuk2, I abandoned Virgin :P
Oct 06 11:14:00 <crashanddie> I'm with BT now :)
Oct 06 11:14:24 <crashanddie> Much better service, plus, it's free :) My neighbour is such a kind man (even though he doesn't really know this)
Oct 06 11:15:37 * aquatix refrains from the virgin jokes
Oct 06 11:15:46 <aquatix> crashanddie: ah, neighbour service, nice :)
Oct 06 11:16:15 <crashanddie> aquatix, Yeah, not a virgin anymore since a few days \o/
Oct 06 11:16:16 <macoute_> but BT from neighbour?
Oct 06 11:16:32 <aquatix> crashanddie: grats ;)
Oct 06 11:16:35 <crashanddie> :D
Oct 06 11:16:36 <macoute_> I usually use WLAN from neighbours?
Oct 06 11:16:58 <crashanddie> hang on
Oct 06 11:17:05 <lcuk2> lol crashanddie you might not be virgin anymore, but you are still inexperienced :P
Oct 06 11:17:19 <crashanddie> lcuk2, I have more experience that you in certain domains :P
Oct 06 11:17:27 <GAN800> lol
Oct 06 11:17:35 <crashanddie> that's the neighbour
Oct 06 11:17:58 <lcuk> crashand1ie, yes, experienced in quick escapes :D
Oct 06 11:18:39 * lcuk checks his mail
Oct 06 11:18:46 * lcuk checks his mail
Oct 06 11:18:50 * lcuk checks his mail
Oct 06 11:20:02 <crashand2ie> and that's my house :)
Oct 06 11:20:25 <lcuk> hang on - that says ntl :P
Oct 06 11:20:34 <crashanddie> well yeah
Oct 06 11:20:39 <lcuk> you are still a virgin
Oct 06 11:20:51 <crashanddie> The flatmates in my house still have their virgin account
Oct 06 11:20:59 <crashanddie> But I use the neighbour's BT :)
Oct 06 11:21:17 * lcuk laffs heartily and gets in trouble for havin fun
Oct 06 11:21:39 <macoute_> but what is BT? Bluetooth?
Oct 06 11:21:44 <macoute_> British Telecom :)
Oct 06 11:21:46 <macoute_> ah. damn me
Oct 06 11:22:17 <crashanddie> btw, big lol: "sebastian, you have to pay your internet for this month" "erhm, no I don't use the wifi anymore" "but... but... you're on GTalk right now" "let me rephrase that, I'm not on your wifi anymore" "oh..."
Oct 06 11:22:49 <aquatix> lcuk: don't drink coffee while laughing, it'll only spill the good stuff
Oct 06 11:22:54 <crashanddie> they "changed the password", I love it how people change the passphrase for their wifi network, but don't change the password for the router setup...
Oct 06 11:23:13 <aquatix> haha
Oct 06 11:23:18 <GAN800> Haaa
Oct 06 11:23:35 <GAN800> You need to install some fun scripts. :P
Oct 06 11:23:48 * aquatix had a neighbour's open wifi network bridged for a while when his adsl wasn't connected yet
Oct 06 11:23:52 <aquatix> gotta love my wrt :)
Oct 06 11:23:54 <lcuk> aquatix, ive wasted the black oil on numerous keyboards in the past - as long as you strain it out with your teeth you can just pour it out of the corner of the kb
Oct 06 11:23:58 <crashanddie> I mean, I'm in the same house as them... Do they really believe I'm that ethical I won't connect my laptop in ethernet on the router? Djeezus
Oct 06 11:24:20 <aquatix> :)
Oct 06 11:24:39 <crashanddie> Btw, I just realised something
Oct 06 11:24:48 <crashanddie> You know the cliché there always is in american movies?
Oct 06 11:25:00 <macoute_> aquatix: thats a good way to get a weak signal to work better :)
Oct 06 11:25:06 <aquatix> macoute_: indeed :)
Oct 06 11:25:06 <crashanddie> About the French villain who has a week-old beard, and smokes?
Oct 06 11:25:11 <aquatix> macoute_: even put a key on it ;)
Oct 06 11:25:13 <macoute_> done that too :)
Oct 06 11:25:16 <macoute_> aquatix: :D
Oct 06 11:25:29 <crashanddie> well sadly, that cliché is exactly me
Oct 06 11:25:33 <aquatix> crashanddie: you realised it's you?
Oct 06 11:25:34 <aquatix> lol
Oct 06 11:25:41 <GAN800> crashanddie, I'm not familiar with that one. :P
Oct 06 11:25:50 <GAN800> Ha
Oct 06 11:27:59 <crashanddie> GAN800, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vDo2jDTOE
Oct 06 11:28:16 <dfaure> Mek: sigh, this is all a lot more complex than it should be :(
Oct 06 11:28:59 <dfaure> when I got the 2007 version of the toolchain that was too recent for the maemo sdk...
Oct 06 11:29:14 <lcuk> crashand1ie, i would put up with hot grits down my pants to be that close to natalie portman
Oct 06 11:29:31 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, but that's not an American movie. :P
Oct 06 11:29:44 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, don't be a creeper.
Oct 06 11:30:02 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, how could you blame him?
Oct 06 11:30:07 <lcuk> ok, maybe not in *that* movie, but natalie portman in herself is hot hot hot
Oct 06 11:30:08 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, she's a cutiepie
Oct 06 11:30:29 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, I'd doggystyle her earrings off if I was given the chance
Oct 06 11:31:00 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, yes, it was mostly the context of that movie that made it so wrong. :P
Oct 06 11:31:17 <lcuk> gawd crashanddie go n have a hot shower, while you are at it, have a shave
Oct 06 11:31:20 <crashanddie> with her perfect lips, her impossible hips, and her star wars background
Oct 06 11:31:23 <crashanddie> she's a nerd wet dream
Oct 06 11:32:06 <GeneralAntilles> Smart, too.
Oct 06 11:34:50 <dfaure> so, back to maemo, how does one get a working qt4?
Oct 06 11:35:25 <Mek> dfaure: do you want it just for qmake based projects, or will you also be using cmake? :)
Oct 06 11:35:37 <dfaure> Mek: I'll be using cmake, obviously
Oct 06 11:36:10 <Mek> dfaure: than you're best chance currently is to build your own qemu from http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/
Oct 06 11:36:24 <dfaure> and if I wait a week do you think things will be better? ;-)
Oct 06 11:38:09 <dfaure> this isn't my most pressing task right now, I just thought I could let kde compile while working, seems it's not that simple.
Oct 06 11:38:28 <Mek> dfaure: I doubt it... I believe someone at nokia is working on/will be working on getting cmake and the various qt development tools natively in scratchbox without using emulation for them, but I don't know how long that will take to be done...
Oct 06 11:38:46 <lcuk_remote> http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/
Oct 06 11:38:55 <lcuk_remote> probably find more info there..
Oct 06 11:39:42 <aquatix> lcuk: hot shower? i think crashanddie needs some cold water to cool down ;)
Oct 06 11:39:59 <Mek> lcuk_remote: the problem currently is is that there is no qemu version that can run both the (vfp enabled) qt binaries and cmake...
Oct 06 11:40:02 <lcuk_remote> but its cold in the uk
Oct 06 11:40:45 <lcuk_remote> mek, ewww why do you need to run emulated? do we not have devices to test these things on?
Oct 06 11:41:08 * lcuk_remote cannot see the point of designing software for a device but not eating own dogfood
Oct 06 11:41:10 <dfaure> well to compile the stuff...
Oct 06 11:41:16 <Mek> lcuk_remote: you don't want to build kde on the device itself...
Oct 06 11:41:31 <Mek> (well, I don't want to :P)
Oct 06 11:41:33 <lcuk_remote> How can I port a Qt application in maemo?
Oct 06 11:41:34 <GAN800> Might be done sometime next year.
Oct 06 11:41:40 <lcuk_remote> You need only to compile it in the SDK env.
Oct 06 11:41:46 <lcuk_remote> thats fine, it says its possible
Oct 06 11:41:48 <dfaure> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3672 confirms what Mek says
Oct 06 11:41:55 <dfaure> lol, obviously.
Oct 06 11:42:02 <Mek> :)
Oct 06 11:42:29 <dfaure> sounds like I'll just wait for the next qemu release then
Oct 06 11:43:27 <lcuk_remote> alas, poor lcuk, i knew him...
Oct 06 11:43:30 <Mek> or the next scratchbox release...
Oct 06 11:44:01 <dfaure> Mek: so if you're the one behind the ~marijn repository; why have duplicated qt4 packages there if they're on maemo extras now? that was a bit confusing too
Oct 06 11:44:22 <lcuk_remote> i thought people have been  building and testing and running and porting and doing stuff in qt already, was i wrong?
Oct 06 11:44:45 <Mek> dfaure: ah, I guess I should remove them; they are just a leftover from the time when the official qt4 packages were too old for kde
Oct 06 11:45:42 <crashanddie> GAN800, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w1MkjmbdHUM
Oct 06 11:46:00 <crashanddie> GAN800, american movie, french actor poorly shaven and smoking
Oct 06 11:46:06 <Mek> dfaure: okay, no more qt packages in my own repository :)
Oct 06 11:46:27 <GAN800> crashanddie, :P
Oct 06 11:46:41 <GAN800> South Park is also a fair example.
Oct 06 11:47:04 <lcuk_remote> crashanddie: did you just spend 20 minutes searching youtube for "unshaven french actors"?
Oct 06 11:47:05 <crashanddie> French characters are always depicted like this: either very slick, charming, and thus, utterly gay, or very rough, rude, insulting, smoking and unshaven
Oct 06 11:47:18 <crashanddie> lcuk_remote, nha, I took a shower too
Oct 06 11:47:28 * dfaure is a mix of both kinds though
Oct 06 11:47:53 <dfaure> slick and unshaven :-)
Oct 06 11:48:00 <Mek> rude insulting and utterly gay?
Oct 06 11:48:27 <aquatix> :)
Oct 06 11:48:35 <dfaure> ah! your repo has what I'm looking for, in fact. korganizer on the n810, here it comes.
Oct 06 11:49:08 <aquatix> might even be slightly interesting to have jpilot on the n8x0
Oct 06 11:49:09 <lcuk_remote> back later
Oct 06 11:49:16 <Mek> it is a bit old revision though I think (also there are lots of sreenshots on kde.garage.maemo.org)
Oct 06 11:49:42 <dfaure> a working calendar is better than screenshots  ;)
Oct 06 11:49:55 <Mek> true
Oct 06 11:51:36 * RST38h is back from the meeting
Oct 06 11:52:18 <RST38h> Anything new and exciting? Floods? Mass executions? Plague epidemic?
Oct 06 11:52:46 <aquatix> only some overheated crashanddie
Oct 06 11:53:15 <crashanddie> eh?
Oct 06 11:53:58 <aquatix> something to do with a cute actress ;)
Oct 06 11:55:09 <RST38h> Oh yes, I knew somebody delivered entertainment: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/06/audacious_tattoo_plan/
Oct 06 11:56:51 <crashanddie> aquatix, fuck off :D
Oct 06 11:57:04 <RST38h> Also in the news: Trigger-happy Welsh cops taser sheep
Oct 06 11:57:10 <crashanddie> I need to stop talking in here, you guys don't forget fast enough
Oct 06 11:57:25 <crashanddie> RST38h, bloody sheep lovers
Oct 06 11:57:35 <aquatix> crashanddie: ;)
Oct 06 11:57:39 <crashanddie> omg, I really sound like an english bastard
Oct 06 11:57:43 <aquatix> RST38h: wtf
Oct 06 11:57:48 <aquatix> ghehe
Oct 06 11:58:13 <crashanddie> anyway, time to try and get some fags, see you later
Oct 06 11:58:45 <RST38h> aquatix: Who knows...
Oct 06 12:08:48 <dfaure> there's no /etc/apt/sources.list by default on the device? surprising
Oct 06 12:09:07 <GeneralAntilles>  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Oct 06 12:09:21 <dfaure> ah ic, thanks
Oct 06 12:12:30 <dfaure> is it ok if osso-software-version-rx44 gets removed?
Oct 06 12:13:12 <GeneralAntilles> What are you installing?
Oct 06 12:14:00 <dfaure> apt-get upgrade says "libdb4.2 libxml2 shared-mime-info" are to be upgraded, but installing those removes osso-software-version-rx44
Oct 06 12:14:52 <dfaure> yep just installing libdb4.2 does that
Oct 06 12:15:32 <dfaure> 4.2.52+dfsg-2 from repository.maemo.org diablo/free
Oct 06 12:17:49 <Mace`> hm
Oct 06 12:17:57 <Mace`> kde 4.1.2 is actually quite nice
Oct 06 12:18:05 <Mace`> the menu sucks for it but i'm able to deal with that :)
Oct 06 12:30:13 <dfaure> hmm korganizer is running, but shows no window
Oct 06 12:30:36 <dfaure> ah worked the 2nd time
Oct 06 12:31:11 <dfaure> it's launched with a %U argument, which is wrong.
Oct 06 12:31:27 <dfaure> %U is ok in a desktop file's Exec line, but the entry in maemo's menu shouldn't use that
Oct 06 12:33:27 <Mek> yeah, I never even looked into how the maemo menu stuff works; that kde apps show up there at all is pure luck :)
Oct 06 12:33:37 <dfaure> ah, and '/' being full doesn't help.
Oct 06 12:34:54 <dfaure> Mek: how did you solve the space issue? moved /usr to /media/mmc2?
Oct 06 12:35:17 <GAN800> Please dear god no
Oct 06 12:35:28 <GAN800> ~boot-sd
Oct 06 12:35:41 <Mek> dfaure: you can boot from the 2GB internal storage (after reformatting/cloning the rootfs there)
Oct 06 12:35:47 <Mek> ~clone-sd
Oct 06 12:35:51 <GAN800> ~boot-sd
Oct 06 12:35:57 <GAN800> infobot!
Oct 06 12:36:19 <dfaure> ah cloning means that the orig apps will still be there, good.
Oct 06 12:36:39 <macoute_> am i still correct when i said that there is no s60 3rd support in any open source program (like gnokii, gammu etc)?
Oct 06 12:36:39 <GAN800> http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Oct 06 12:36:46 <macoute_> so that you cant use e51 with your n810
Oct 06 12:37:26 <aquatix> oh? that'd suck :/
Oct 06 12:37:32 * aquatix was thinking about getting an e71
Oct 06 12:37:45 <RST38h> depends on what you want to do with them
Oct 06 12:37:58 <RST38h> e51 works very well as an uplink provider
Oct 06 12:38:01 <dfaure> GAN800: thanks
Oct 06 12:38:02 <macoute_> to check contacts, sms's etc
Oct 06 12:38:12 <RST38h> aquatix: you don't wanna wait for e72 with a decent keyboard?
Oct 06 12:38:13 <macoute_> RST38h: of course you can use that as a bt modem, that is true
Oct 06 12:38:33 <RST38h> macoute: Afaik, contacts,sms,etc use standard bt-based api so it will work with gnokii
Oct 06 12:38:33 <crashanddie> w00t
Oct 06 12:38:34 <crashanddie> /usr/bin/scratchbox: line 227:  1087 Segmentation fault
Oct 06 12:39:12 <aquatix> RST38h: wasn't the e72 just the US e71?
Oct 06 12:39:18 <macoute_> RST38h: not with s60 3rd edition, dont know why...
Oct 06 12:39:25 <aquatix> the e75 has a slide-out kb though
Oct 06 12:40:27 <macoute_> s60 3rd edition breakes binary compability with older devices completely
Oct 06 12:40:47 <macoute_> due the "security improvements"
Oct 06 12:40:48 <macoute_> ;)
Oct 06 12:42:07 <aquatix> yeah, forcing signed binaries and such
Oct 06 12:42:15 <aquatix> laudable, but annoying
Oct 06 12:43:11 <macoute_> its quite as secure as the current browsers yelling about self-signed certificates
Oct 06 12:43:15 <macoute_> i hate it
Oct 06 12:43:40 <hrw> where is that 'NOKIA' screen defined on n8x0 boot?
Oct 06 12:43:46 <macoute_> it seems as self-siigned certs are MORE insecure than sites with no sertificate at all
Oct 06 12:43:51 * aquatix thinks he will stick with his SE m600i for another 6 months
Oct 06 12:44:05 <aquatix> macoute_: yeah, that's really annoying
Oct 06 12:44:14 <aquatix> Fx3 is wrong on that point imho
Oct 06 12:44:30 <aquatix> hrw: splash something?
Oct 06 12:44:36 <GAN800> hrw, /usr/share/icons somewhere
Oct 06 12:44:49 <GAN800> qgn_nokiahands...
Oct 06 12:45:31 <hrw> GAN800: thx
Oct 06 12:45:44 <hrw> and that one used in initfs?
Oct 06 12:46:13 <GAN800> hrw, the first blue Nokia is on one of the other partitions.
Oct 06 12:46:23 <GAN800> Not sure where.
Oct 06 12:46:31 <hrw> k
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 06 12:54:21 2008
Oct 06 13:21:14 <TudorGoia> .
Oct 06 13:35:19 <dfaure> can someone replace cd /home/user/local/bin with cd /home/user/bin in "Clone to the card" in http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Booting_from_a_flash_card&action=edit&section=9 ?
Oct 06 13:35:44 <dfaure> that's where the above instructions said to download the stuff ;)
Oct 06 13:35:46 <GAN800> It's a wiki
Oct 06 13:35:57 <dfaure> yeah and it says I'm blocked because anonymous...
Oct 06 13:36:08 <GAN800> https:
Oct 06 13:36:17 <inz> What's the best way to push data to OSM from a maemo device?
Oct 06 13:36:36 <dfaure> GAN800: oh thanks, that wasn't clear from the err msg ("over HTTP")
Oct 06 13:36:59 <GAN800> dfaure, we were getting slaughtered by spammers.
Oct 06 13:38:18 <dfaure> hmm this nupgrade.sh script is looking at a the wrong device....
Oct 06 13:38:54 <GAN800> mmcblk0 is internal
Oct 06 13:39:29 <dfaure> it says  /dev/mmcb1k1: No such file or directory
Oct 06 13:39:48 <dfaure> and indeed /media/mmc2 is /dev/mmcblk0p1 here
Oct 06 13:40:48 <dfaure> isn't that where I want nupgrade to create a filesystem?
Oct 06 13:43:07 <dfaure> milhouse: ping
Oct 06 13:45:19 <dfaure> ah I see. internal doesn't mean what I thought it means ;)
Oct 06 13:47:29 <dfaure> Mek: is that what you did, to reformat /dev/mmcblk0p1 as ext2?
Oct 06 13:54:25 <Stskeepz> dfaure: there's a bug where mmcblk0 != internal and mmcblk1 != external always
Oct 06 13:55:04 <dfaure> heh, why could it ever be simple ;-)  Well there's no external sd card here, this is an off-the-shelf N810.
Oct 06 14:34:09 <dfaure> success! reformatted p1, booted on it, finished install, korg runs.
Oct 06 14:34:38 <dfaure> creating the event dialog takes a very long time though.
Oct 06 15:06:07 <RST38h> DOW 9864
Oct 06 15:06:22 <RST38h> Umgh
Oct 06 15:11:47 <crashanddie> hahahahahahaha http://www.koreus.com/video/mariage-premiere-danse.html
Oct 06 15:13:13 <GeneralAntilles> Did anybody catch that "Show all packages" and "Show magic packages" will be disabled by default in Red Pill?
Oct 06 15:18:43 <lopz> hola
Oct 06 15:45:35 <johnx> huh...the feature upgrade showed up again :/
Oct 06 15:46:34 <RST38h> maybe it is a new one?
Oct 06 15:47:10 <qwerty12> Nah, no diablo-3 :P
Oct 06 15:47:49 <qwerty12> I think it's due to them actally putting someting in the diablo-3 folder and we all know how much apt gets boners over something of the same version but from a different repo
Oct 06 15:49:32 <RST38h> heh
Oct 06 15:51:10 <johnx> qwerty12, ah, good call
Oct 06 15:51:16 <crashanddie> added bonus from being on the neighbour's network, your internet doesn't go down when workers cut the power in your house !
Oct 06 15:51:17 <johnx> yup, same version
Oct 06 15:51:31 <qwerty12> :)
Oct 06 15:52:21 <RST38h> a drawback is the opportunity of being arrested in a few overly civilized countries
Oct 06 15:52:41 <qwerty12> crashanddie, I think my neighbours realised after a week I cracked their wifi. I think they changed the ssid, keys and made it hidden. And that AP was *always* on
Oct 06 15:53:15 <crashanddie> qwerty12, I'm very subtle, I don't download, I don't do crazy shit
Oct 06 15:53:24 <crashanddie> I mean, IRC/SMN and surfing is hardly noticeable
Oct 06 15:53:25 <johnx> crashanddie, just upload?
Oct 06 15:54:06 <qwerty12> crashanddie, Ah, now see, that's where I fail...
Oct 06 15:54:17 <qwerty12> Though I refrained from loading up Utorrent
Oct 06 15:57:59 <jiiv> Morning all.
Oct 06 15:58:08 <qwerty12> afternoon
Oct 06 16:11:57 <nemo> qwerty12: well. I'm sure their router, if they ever visit it, reports computers on their network
Oct 06 16:12:04 <nemo> qwerty12: I imagine seeing yours on there freaked 'em out
Oct 06 16:13:09 <RST38h> if they know what a router is
Oct 06 16:14:02 <qwerty12> nemo, I have the same router as well and by default, it has no password set so I was able to go into it and delete records of me being there. I don't know if they checked it often because all the settings was at the default. The wireless operation light on the router is pretty shit too. My old netgear flashed depending on the activity, this router just flashes the led once at normal speed to show operation.
Oct 06 16:14:31 <nemo> qwerty12: yeah, but unless you altered the router to not report you on the web page
Oct 06 16:14:39 <nemo> qwerty12: all it'd take is someone signing on at any time
Oct 06 16:14:46 <nemo> qwerty12: and your computer being active
Oct 06 16:15:02 <nemo> but. maybe someone came by and secured their router.
Oct 06 16:15:14 <nemo> unrelated to you
Oct 06 16:15:26 <qwerty12> Like I said, it's evident they hardly checked it. For me, them discovering it after a week was fine to me as I only needed it for about 4 days while my broadband was getting changed to another provider.
Oct 06 16:20:59 <nemo> qwerty12: most of my neighbours use WEP-64
Oct 06 16:21:15 <nemo> 'cept for one that is just open.
Oct 06 16:21:27 <nemo> so. can pretty much pick n choose
Oct 06 16:23:25 <qwerty12> Heh, a few years ago, most networks here were open (except for mine of course) but now, it's a different story. Mainly due to the router manufacturers setting default keys rather than the owners of the router setting them...
Oct 06 16:30:59 <thopiekar> please check this thread out:
Oct 06 16:30:59 <thopiekar> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24106
Oct 06 16:30:59 <thopiekar> thanks!
Oct 06 16:31:44 <Kegetys> np
Oct 06 16:31:49 <Mek> perhaps if you actually mentioned why someone should check that thread out/what it is about someone might actually do that...
Oct 06 16:33:29 <thopiekar> its about an missing serial module of "python for maemo"
Oct 06 16:33:38 <yonkeltron> is it true that the nokia 810 only supports up to 8gb?
Oct 06 16:34:35 <yonkeltron> of storage, sorry
Oct 06 16:34:45 * thopiekar don't know it but has got 8gb on his n95^^
Oct 06 16:35:17 <Stskeepz> yonkeltron: i've heard of 32gb sdhc though
Oct 06 16:35:18 <Mek> 8gb + the 2gb that is built in, so at least 10gb in total :P
Oct 06 16:35:47 <Kegetys> you could plug in an external 1TB USB drive if you want :)
Oct 06 16:35:58 <yonkeltron> hehe
Oct 06 16:36:25 <yonkeltron> i am just debating the purchase of one but i'd like to use it as an mp3 player
Oct 06 16:36:56 <yonkeltron> well, ogg really
Oct 06 16:36:59 <yonkeltron> but still
Oct 06 16:37:45 <Stskeepz> yonkeltron: think most people can say they love their tablets here :P
Oct 06 16:38:25 <summatusmentis> yonkeltron: the battery life isn't good enough to be used as a media player really
Oct 06 16:38:33 <qwerty12> MY TABLET IS A POS! I HATE IT, I'M GONNA BURN THE FUCKER
Oct 06 16:38:36 <Stskeepz> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23205 mentions stuff about 32gb stuff
Oct 06 16:38:40 <Stskeepz> qwerty12: no charger yet?
Oct 06 16:38:49 <qwerty12> Stskeepz, lol, not yet :P
Oct 06 16:39:25 <Stskeepz> i suspect i might have broken mine in last tablet-cable-my leg on table collision
Oct 06 16:39:29 <Stskeepz> the charger plug, that is
Oct 06 16:39:54 <Stskeepz> the nokia is damn robust, imho :P
Oct 06 16:40:05 <qwerty12> Thankfully, the tablets use a standard nokia charger so I ain't in shit trying to get a new one like I was for my pocket pc :)
Oct 06 16:40:10 <qwerty12> For sure! :)
Oct 06 16:40:11 <Stskeepz> yeah
Oct 06 16:40:40 <EgS> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2368&d=1219863599  <-- what's that dockish-thing at the bottom of the screen?
Oct 06 16:41:11 <Stskeepz> EgS: personal launcher maybe?
Oct 06 16:43:21 <EgS> Stskeepz: fancy... didn't knew it could do this
Oct 06 16:43:56 <Stskeepz> drag at it
Oct 06 16:44:31 <jiiv> stskeeps: finally have a bit of free time again, managed to get deblet booting. I really like the gui boot stuff, it's pretty.
Oct 06 16:45:16 <Stskeepz> jiiv: the splash? :P
Oct 06 16:45:26 <jiiv> indeed.
Oct 06 16:45:29 <Stskeepz> hehe
Oct 06 16:45:44 <jiiv> well, prettier than watching services start ;)
Oct 06 16:46:07 <Stskeepz> jiiv: was it the EXT_ / INT_ problem?
Oct 06 16:46:09 <jiiv> ...and much prettier than a lockup or reboot :)
Oct 06 16:46:31 <yonkeltron> Stskeepz: i heard 10 hours with the wifi off!
Oct 06 16:46:55 <jiiv> i don't think so initially; i tried s/INT/EXT and also just mmcblk0p1/mmcblk1p1..i ended up just reinstalling over the weekend, then changing to EXT.
Oct 06 16:46:59 <Stskeepz> ah
Oct 06 16:47:33 <yonkeltron> Stskeepz: is the battery user replaceable?
Oct 06 16:47:39 <Stskeepz> yonkeltron: yeah
Oct 06 16:48:16 <Stskeepz> yonkeltron: it's a bp-5l
Oct 06 16:48:47 <yonkeltron> Stskeepz: i'm not familiar with the term
Oct 06 16:48:51 <yonkeltron> oh
Oct 06 16:49:07 <johnx> standard nokia phone battery :)
Oct 06 16:49:15 <jiiv> yonkeltron: fyi, there's also a 'double capacity' aftermarket battery, but it changes the form factor a bit.
Oct 06 16:49:16 <qwerty12> bp-5l is the name we give to the rocket launcher inside the tablets
Oct 06 16:49:32 <Stskeepz> yonkeltron: google
Oct 06 16:49:32 <Stskeepz> :P
Oct 06 16:50:06 <yonkeltron> qwerty12: good codename
Oct 06 16:50:32 <qwerty12> :P
Oct 06 16:51:10 <yonkeltron> meh, i'm still paying through the nose for storage
Oct 06 16:55:56 <Stskeepz> neat, those batteries aren't that expensive :P
Oct 06 16:56:11 <Stskeepz> if i manage to burn mine out
Oct 06 16:56:20 <johnx> economics of scale are nice, huh?
Oct 06 16:56:33 <johnx> but you need a bp-4l for an n810 I think
Oct 06 16:56:38 <johnx> bp-5l is for the n800
Oct 06 16:56:46 <yonkeltron> i meant data storage
Oct 06 16:56:49 <yonkeltron> minsd and whatno
Oct 06 16:56:59 <johnx> hope I didn't get that backwards...
Oct 06 16:57:18 <Stskeepz> johnx: yeah, bp-5l looks like mine in my tablet
Oct 06 16:57:37 <jiiv> johnx: believe you're correct.
Oct 06 16:57:40 <Stskeepz> johnx: cheaper than a new tablet :P
Oct 06 17:02:03 <Stskeepz> johnx: koruou (?) looks interesting, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/kourou/ubuntu/annotate/6?file_id=kourou.py-20080922064852-7n22e6fl6neukt55-6
Oct 06 17:03:09 <lcuk2> crashanddie,
Oct 06 17:03:25 <johnx> Stskeepz, it does. that's why I'm in the process of torturing my zaurus with ubuntu :)
Oct 06 17:04:48 <Stskeepz> hehe
Oct 06 17:05:56 <thux> there came upgrade to install deblet, should i reinstall working deblet?
Oct 06 17:06:15 <Stskeepz> thux: dpkg -l | grep tablet-hw?
Oct 06 17:09:29 <thux> Stskeepz: i'm in diablo now have to reboot
Oct 06 17:13:30 <Stskeepz> thux: well, dpkg -l deblet-installer then
Oct 06 17:13:30 <Stskeepz> :P
Oct 06 17:13:40 <Stskeepz> (in diablo)
Oct 06 17:14:08 <Stskeepz> if it's a 2.*, don't bother reinstalling unless you want to install deblet in a file :)
Oct 06 17:14:15 <Stskeepz> you can just apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
Oct 06 17:14:17 <Stskeepz> in deblet
Oct 06 17:14:26 <Stskeepz> to upgrade to more recent versions
Oct 06 17:14:26 <qwerty12> Stskeepz, now if that was me, by the time you had said that, I'd have already rebooted :P
Oct 06 17:15:12 <Stskeepz> qwerty12: he has two options :P checking deblet-installer and then rebooting to apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, or rebooting into deblet, and dpkg -l | grep tablet-hw and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
Oct 06 17:15:16 <Stskeepz> P
Oct 06 17:17:33 * Stskeepz boots up his buildbox
Oct 06 17:20:32 <thux> Stskeeps: tablet-hw-n8x0-nonfree          1.4
Oct 06 17:23:14 <Stskeeps> thux: good, you're running a sane deblet then :) you can as with any sane debian system just do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade to follow upgrades
Oct 06 17:23:29 <Stskeeps> no need to reinstall
Oct 06 17:23:42 <thux> 0k
Oct 06 17:23:44 <Stskeeps> unless you're running deblet in a file and want a speedup, but that's avoidable too
Oct 06 17:24:41 <Stskeeps> anyone know of a good apt repository frontend?
Oct 06 17:24:48 <Stskeeps> like packages.debian.org/packages.ubuntu.com
Oct 06 17:24:57 <thux> no i have partition
Oct 06 17:25:11 <Stskeeps> good :
Oct 06 17:25:12 <Stskeeps> :)
Oct 06 17:25:37 <bef0rd> http://packages.debian.org/about/
Oct 06 17:27:32 <Stskeeps> mm, wouldn't want to fight with mod_perl
Oct 06 17:28:55 <bef0rd> perl is fun :P
Oct 06 17:29:21 <Mousey> what about apt-proxy
Oct 06 17:30:08 <Stskeeps> just starting to loose overview what is in deblet repo already :P
Oct 06 17:30:11 <Stskeeps> which is kinda shamefu
Oct 06 17:30:12 <Stskeeps> l
Oct 06 17:34:39 <inz> As much as I hate repeating questions on irc, I'll do it (just this once, I promise): is there any nice way to use maemo device to push data to OSM?
Oct 06 17:38:06 <Stskeeps> what's OSM again?
Oct 06 17:38:48 <Stskeeps> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openstreetmap.org/msg03355.html
Oct 06 17:38:50 <Stskeeps> maybe
Oct 06 17:40:19 <johnx> open street map?
Oct 06 17:43:14 <inz> Sts, yes, seems that mosmed was renamed to OSM2Go, but found it thanks to your link
Oct 06 17:44:09 <Veggen> inz: give me a report on it :)
Oct 06 17:45:01 <Veggen> I have a n810 and do OSM a lot, but am still on the traditional Garmin->track->josm road...some way to push data in a simpler way while out in the field could be nice.
Oct 06 17:45:18 <inz> Veggen, sure, might take a while to get to try it though
Oct 06 17:45:39 <Veggen> no problem.
Oct 06 17:46:05 <inz> Veggen, at least the web site says: "not ready for the end user"
Oct 06 17:48:41 <inz> Veggen, there seems to also be Qt based opencitymap -project
Oct 06 17:48:46 <inz> Veggen, gotta try both, I guess
Oct 06 17:49:10 <Stskeeps> hildon-theme-layout-4 (>= 0.8.2-1ubuntu3), hildon-theme-layout-4 (< 0.9.0), - weird dependancy of the day
Oct 06 17:49:30 <Stskeeps> nm
Oct 06 17:50:20 <johnx> that should be a conflict I think
Oct 06 17:50:39 <johnx> conflicts: hildon-theme-layout-4 (> 0.9.0)
Oct 06 17:53:00 <Stskeeps> mm
Oct 06 17:59:30 <jott> inz: i played a bit with markaartor. works quite ok.
Oct 06 18:00:08 <jott> inz: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png
Oct 06 18:02:07 <inz> jott, did you compile it yourself for maemo?
Oct 06 18:02:27 <jott> inz: yes.
Oct 06 18:02:43 <jott> probably worth to build a newer version.
Oct 06 18:04:48 <inz> jott, there's a 23M tar.gz in a launchpad ppa :o
Oct 06 18:06:03 <jott> inz: http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/merkaartor
Oct 06 18:06:12 <jott> just started a build of this one :)
Oct 06 18:06:27 <inz> jott, yeah, the debian source is 1612+15 kB
Oct 06 18:07:01 <jott> the launchpad version probably contains webkit as the project used it before 4.4 came out.
Oct 06 18:09:12 <jott> erm bundled it..
Oct 06 18:18:31 <inz> jott, debs available yet?
Oct 06 18:18:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: who was the pkg-maemo debian person in here again?
Oct 06 18:19:49 <johnx> Stskeeps, <suihkulokki> is here sometimes
Oct 06 18:20:58 <Stskeeps> johnx: alright, he should be poked hildon-theme-plankton is now cc 3.0 as they wished for :P
Oct 06 18:21:17 <johnx> w00!
Oct 06 18:21:37 <johnx> I thought that had already happened. Did it just change recently?
Oct 06 18:22:25 <Stskeeps> aug 08
Oct 06 18:23:22 <Stskeeps> it was cc 2.5 before, which debian didn't like :P
Oct 06 18:23:48 <johnx> if it happened in august I think they know about it
Oct 06 18:24:01 <johnx> I heard them talking about it right about then over in #debian-maemo on the debian IRC net
Oct 06 18:24:07 <Stskeeps> k
Oct 06 18:24:16 <johnx> good to know though
Oct 06 18:24:19 <Stskeeps> their bzrs/repos aren't updated though :P
Oct 06 18:24:24 <Stskeeps> so far from notice to action
Oct 06 18:24:46 <johnx> some people are busy with real life or other projects :P
Oct 06 18:24:55 <johnx> <- some people are lazy
Oct 06 18:25:20 <jott> inz: ah, yes. http://outpo.st/merkaartor_0.12~svn10948-1_armel.deb
Oct 06 18:25:56 <inz> jott, is it application manager installable?
Oct 06 18:26:14 <jott> inz: the default layout is a bit unsuitable. but when closing most of the dock widgets it should be more or less usable.
Oct 06 18:26:26 <jott> inz: no. just plain build from upstream debian package.
Oct 06 18:26:30 <inz> k
Oct 06 18:26:50 <inz> thus I choose "save"
Oct 06 18:27:04 <jott> (so not in user/* or anything, and you need qt4 libs installed - or at least extras-devel active and then apt-get -f install)
Oct 06 18:27:25 <inz> ...and ssh to the wrong device
Oct 06 18:28:19 <jott> hehe
Oct 06 18:31:17 <jott> hello GNUton
Oct 06 18:32:45 <jott> inz: http://outpo.st/merkaartor_0.12~svn11061_armel.deb <- that's the trunk version.
Oct 06 18:33:09 <jott> (not sure what changed between 10948 and 11061 :)
Oct 06 18:33:17 <inz> jott, just finished compiling that myself
Oct 06 18:33:35 <jott> aye ;)
Oct 06 18:33:35 <inz> Oh, I actually compiled 11021, not 61
Oct 06 18:34:48 <jott> inz: it's also worth to check the desktop version to get a bit of a feel for the app (as it's obviously not really made for embedded devices)
Oct 06 18:35:32 <RST38h> jott: screenshots? =)
Oct 06 18:35:45 <jott> RST38h: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9837/merkaartorvq8.png
Oct 06 18:35:57 <lcuk2> jott
Oct 06 18:36:04 <lcuk2> you have much experience with rotation...
Oct 06 18:36:08 <jott> lcuk2: hey!
Oct 06 18:36:14 <jott> lcuk2: only when i'm drunk.
Oct 06 18:36:19 <lcuk2> have oyu managed to view a rotated video at fullscreen
Oct 06 18:36:20 <lcuk2> lol
Oct 06 18:36:41 <inz> jott, how do I configure the gps?
Oct 06 18:36:44 <jott> afair there where some issues :)
Oct 06 18:36:50 <jott> inz: not really tried it with gps yet.
Oct 06 18:37:00 <RST38h> jott: needs qt?
Oct 06 18:37:08 <jott> RST38h: yes ;)
Oct 06 18:37:29 <jott> lcuk2: ^^ at the issues :)
Oct 06 18:37:56 <lcuk2> jott, so you have noticed them as well
Oct 06 18:38:14 <RST38h> jott: naaah then
Oct 06 18:38:17 <lcuk2> i ask because ive got liqbase sprawled out on the desk infront of me and im seeing what would need to be altered..
Oct 06 18:38:17 <inz> Hmm, tried to use /dev/pgps as device name, the whole app got stuck
Oct 06 18:39:45 <jott> lcuk2: well mainly aspect ratio.
Oct 06 18:40:00 <jott> lcuk2: probably fixable with some mplayer arguments.
Oct 06 18:40:24 <lcuk2> jott, ive just tried using the noaspect which correctly fills the screen for movies in normal mode
Oct 06 18:40:36 <lcuk2> but it wont go over an imaginary 480*480 boundary in rotated
Oct 06 18:41:00 <jott> maybe something hardcoded in mplayer? mmh
Oct 06 18:41:13 <lcuk2> i think its lower down
Oct 06 18:41:22 <lcuk2> im noticing same effects when im doing similar in liqbase
Oct 06 18:41:29 <lcuk2> it fecks up if i try anything over the 480
Oct 06 18:42:01 <johnx> lcuk2, you might want to see what xrandr -q says
Oct 06 18:42:50 <lcuk2> ok thanks
Oct 06 18:43:22 <johnx> that should give you some ideas about what X thinks are the maximums
Oct 06 18:43:24 <lcuk2> Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/liqbase_www_jpeg# xrandr -q
Oct 06 18:43:24 <lcuk2> -sh: xrandr: not found
Oct 06 18:43:27 <lcuk2> lol
Oct 06 18:43:30 <jott> johnx: it's more likely a problem with the yuv overlay..
Oct 06 18:43:49 <lcuk2> yer i gathered as much, nm ill look again another day
Oct 06 18:43:54 <lcuk2> was just a curiosity
Oct 06 18:45:17 <johnx> jott, that does seem more likely. Still, always a good idea to check the easy stuff first. Zaurus kdrive had issues with reporting the wrong info that caused similar problems
Oct 06 18:45:57 <jott> yeah but rotation is not *that* broken ;)
Oct 06 18:46:18 <johnx> all it takes is a silly bug in the x server
Oct 06 18:46:36 <jott> yer
Oct 06 18:46:52 <jott> not saying that there is no bug in the yuv code ;)
Oct 06 18:46:53 <lcuk2> yer johnx, and since xv isnt in the default flow it is left in the dark
Oct 06 18:47:24 <jott> but as mplayer should use omapfb directly...
Oct 06 18:47:36 <johnx> jott, though you're right: xomap handles rotation far better than the zaurus' x server (and the zaurus was designed to be rotated...)
Oct 06 18:47:57 <johnx> ah, so really low level
Oct 06 18:52:32 <jott> lcuk2: what does exactly fail actually?
Oct 06 18:54:39 <lcuk2> calling XvShmPutImage with values which exceed 480*480
Oct 06 18:54:43 <lcuk2> when rotated
Oct 06 18:55:18 <lcuk2> normally i call it with 800,480 and 800,480.
Oct 06 18:55:55 <lcuk2> when i rotate i init memory to 480*800 which correctly allocates, then whichever variation i try for the dest size if its over 480*480 it crashes
Oct 06 18:56:13 * Mousey cries
Oct 06 18:56:32 <Mousey> i expect rotation to be working by the time my NIT gets back from the repair shop
Oct 06 18:56:38 * Mousey stomps foot spoiledly
Oct 06 18:56:52 <jott> Mousey: rotation actually works :)
Oct 06 18:57:07 <lcuk2> mousey, which bits need rotating - you are aware liqbase can correctly load and allocate a set of font glyphs rotated 90 degrees arent u
Oct 06 18:57:13 <jott> it's just an issue with videos (and liqbase) that it can't use the full screen as it seems.
Oct 06 18:57:24 * lcuk2 never used the code though, i was hoping to use xrandr
Oct 06 18:57:24 <Mousey> no idea
Oct 06 18:57:44 <Mousey> i was hoping when i put the keyb away it'd rotate portrait
Oct 06 18:57:44 <lcuk2> yer jott, i might end up following it down the tree and see where i get upto
Oct 06 18:57:55 <Mousey> xrandr would be nice =)
Oct 06 18:59:08 <jott> i can't even start liqbase with a rotate screen :P
Oct 06 18:59:24 <jott> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
Oct 06 18:59:27 <jott>   Major opcode of failed request:  136 (XVideo)
Oct 06 18:59:29 <lcuk2> no, because it tries to push values over 480*480
Oct 06 18:59:45 <lcuk2> i can adjust one line of code and get liqbase rendering in 480*480
Oct 06 19:00:12 <lcuk2> which is why i shouted you earlier :P
Oct 06 19:00:49 <lcuk2> it *should* simply render as an out of shape block - the scaling on the lcd should say "oh look you gave me a bitmap of odd dimensions, ill just make em fullscreen
Oct 06 19:05:30 <lcuk2> http://liqbase.net/liqbase_rotate_480x480.jpg
Oct 06 19:06:04 * lcuk2 knows a sketch is worth a thousand words
Oct 06 19:08:14 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet1.png <- so going to hell..
Oct 06 19:10:08 <johnx> Stskeeps, if you set your locale to to british english the strings will show up right
Oct 06 19:10:34 <Stskeeps> johnx: funny thing is, it is
Oct 06 19:10:43 <Stskeeps> .UTF-8 though
Oct 06 19:10:48 <johnx> hmm
Oct 06 19:10:53 <johnx> I had to fiddle with it a bunch
Oct 06 19:12:09 * Stskeeps gives up for now
Oct 06 19:12:17 <Stskeeps> plenty of interesting things that can be done though
Oct 06 19:12:30 <Stskeeps> but one thing, those bloody hildon packages laying about needs a severe upgrade
Oct 06 19:13:04 <lcuk2> Stskeeps, :) ive just about given up on rotate for this evening as well
Oct 06 19:13:06 <johnx> yeah, maybe I'll go back on everything I said and just get ubuntu working :/
Oct 06 19:13:11 <lcuk2> is tonight not the night for winning
Oct 06 19:13:30 <Stskeeps> johnx: mojo ubuntu-mobile metapackage isn't working atleast
Oct 06 19:13:35 <Stskeeps> according to build log
Oct 06 19:13:39 <Stskeeps> but the hildon packages may
Oct 06 19:13:42 <johnx> sad :(
Oct 06 19:13:50 <johnx> I just got ubuntu booted and happy on my zaurus
Oct 06 19:13:59 <johnx> I was running apt-cache search looking for it as you said that
Oct 06 19:14:17 <Stskeeps> does it find it? :P
Oct 06 19:14:25 <Stskeeps> (check for hildon-desktop as well
Oct 06 19:14:43 <johnx> no hildon desktop
Oct 06 19:14:45 <johnx> no ubuntu mobile
Oct 06 19:14:47 <Stskeeps> sucks
Oct 06 19:15:01 <Stskeeps> right, it's back to square one evening it seems
Oct 06 19:15:01 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 06 19:15:13 * johnx sighs
Oct 06 19:15:13 * Stskeeps goes get a cig
Oct 06 19:15:23 * johnx goes to sleep
Oct 06 19:18:42 <bef0rd> lxde rotated looks nice on deblet
Oct 06 19:18:55 * Mousey wants GL-ES in his next tablet
Oct 06 19:18:58 <Mousey> ^_^
Oct 06 19:20:20 <GNUton> Hi jott.
Oct 06 19:20:21 <Mousey> oo, lxde has a live USB image
Oct 06 19:20:26 <Mousey> can i boot from USB on my n810?
Oct 06 19:20:59 <bef0rd> with bootmenu probably
Oct 06 19:21:11 <bef0rd> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-rotated.png
Oct 06 19:24:38 <lcuk2> bef0rd, git, that looks nice
Oct 06 19:27:57 <lcuk2> bef0rd, but can you rotate movies and stuff
Oct 06 19:29:35 <bef0rd> don't know, that screenshot comes from Stskeeps :P I have not tried it by myself yet
Oct 06 19:29:52 <lcuk2> ahhh
Oct 06 19:30:11 * lcuk2 never saw the big fat stskeeps in the middle ;)
Oct 06 20:46:06 * lcuk2 puts 10p in the chan
Oct 06 20:52:39 <whodat> does the "internet talk" selection on the n810 use skype behind the scenes? trying to get voip working
Oct 06 20:53:49 <Mousey> if you ever wanna have some fail, try skype + bt headset
Oct 06 20:54:01 <Mousey> i cried all night into my pillow over that
Oct 06 20:54:08 <RST38h> l.c.u.k
Oct 06 20:54:17 <legind> Mousey, just tried it the other day
Oct 06 20:54:18 <legind> heh
Oct 06 20:54:21 <legind> yeah no fun
Oct 06 20:54:24 <RST38h> lcuk: How long until liqbase .deb in the extras?
Oct 06 20:54:51 <Mousey> ...and what does one acctually get to accomplish with liq*?
Oct 06 20:55:30 <RST38h> Mousey: enlightenment
Oct 06 20:55:41 <Mousey> woah
Oct 06 20:55:46 <RST38h> some use it to get erection though
Oct 06 20:56:22 <Mousey> oh, another libED, eh
Oct 06 20:57:24 <lcuk2> RST38h, just lookin at a few things and makin a few tweaks but on the whole its ready
Oct 06 20:57:48 * lcuk2 a bit of a cleanout to do
Oct 06 20:58:14 <lcuk2> then once i know its bedded in i can start to build on what ive started
Oct 06 20:58:28 <lcuk2> you can grab just the .deb if you want it
Oct 06 20:58:50 * RST38h will
Oct 06 20:59:24 <RST38h> so, anybody buying a 5800? =)
Oct 06 20:59:42 <GNUton> I don't like the new 5800...
Oct 06 20:59:50 <GNUton> I RST38h!
Oct 06 20:59:55 <GNUton> Hi RST38h
Oct 06 20:59:55 * Jaffa just received his "free" (upgrade) Sony Ericsson W890i today
Oct 06 20:59:58 <RST38h> heya
Oct 06 21:00:22 * RST38h actually likes it but will wait and see
Oct 06 21:00:31 <lcuk2> jaffa, does it "work"
Oct 06 21:00:41 <RST38h> prolly getting e72
Oct 06 21:00:52 <Jaffa> Yeah, works well. HSDPA so faster connections with tablet, too.
Oct 06 21:01:07 <lcuk2> thats always a bonus
Oct 06 21:01:19 <Jaffa> Also, nice and small - so when an HSPA tablet becomes available it's not compromised on size
Oct 06 21:01:19 * RST38h isn't getting 3G until Christmas, most likely
Oct 06 21:06:06 <nelson> hmmm....  is Nokia not making the n800 anymore?
Oct 06 21:06:54 <nelson> can't find anybody selling it anymore.
Oct 06 21:07:36 <crashanddie> ~ping
Oct 06 21:07:36 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 06 21:07:57 <rdorsch> Hello, does diablo have built-in support for ext3, i.e. when I format my sdcard with ext3 will diablo recognize the card?
Oct 06 21:09:00 <jiiv> rdorsch: i'm not positive; you may have to install extfs-tools or something.
Oct 06 21:09:31 <jiiv> i _believe_ you can mount ext3 by default (but not create filesystems), but i could be mistaken.
Oct 06 21:10:06 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, the ext3 modules are on the initfs.
Oct 06 21:10:18 <GeneralAntilles> You'll need to be sure they're loaded, though.
Oct 06 21:10:43 <GNUton> nelson: I guess you can buy N800 from the italian nokia shop
Oct 06 21:11:28 <GNUton> nelson: but obviously you need to stay in italy to buy them...
Oct 06 21:11:31 <GNUton> :P
Oct 06 21:14:53 <rdorsch> Seems that https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_mmc_ext2 is gone.
Oct 06 21:15:18 <GeneralAntilles> ~boot-sd
Oct 06 21:15:19 <infobot> boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Oct 06 21:15:22 <rdorsch> Google still has the data though: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:4XXdiBE_xakJ:https://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_mmc_ext2+ext2+maemo+mmc&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=de
Oct 06 21:15:29 <GeneralAntilles> The data moved.
Oct 06 21:16:44 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, did you see Mariu's posting to -users?
Oct 06 21:17:24 <arachnist> is it just me, or is maemo.org down?
Oct 06 21:17:48 <GeneralAntilles> Wiki and bugzilla seemed to be working a few minutes ago.
Oct 06 21:21:54 <hrw> someone here uses rpm based distro?
Oct 06 21:22:00 <hrw> "rpm --install pacakge-1.2.3-r0.i586.rpm" says "package pacakge-1.2.3-r0.i586.rpm is intended for a linux operating system" but not install it - why?
Oct 06 21:23:18 <crashanddie> /usr/include/libpng12/pngconf.h:310:2: #error png.h already includes setjmp.h with some additional fixup.
Oct 06 21:23:22 <crashanddie> Anyone know about this?
Oct 06 21:28:38 <ProaKa_> http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7762892/
Oct 06 21:28:40 <ProaKa_> http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/7762892/
Oct 06 21:31:50 <cobalto> crashanddie, when you have this error?
Oct 06 21:32:21 <crashanddie> cobalto, when I do #include <png.h>
Oct 06 21:33:00 <crashanddie> cobalto, I think I fixed it
Oct 06 21:33:05 <cobalto> ok
Oct 06 21:46:43 <lardman> evening
Oct 06 21:47:58 <whodat> w
Oct 06 22:16:10 <rm_you|> jott, on that debian usb thing i was messing with, did you set up the xsession / xinit stuff?
Oct 06 22:28:06 <crashanddie> X-Fade, around?
Oct 06 22:28:14 <crashanddie> who here is good with svn? :-°
Oct 06 22:28:28 <rm_you|> what you need to know?
Oct 06 22:28:36 <crashanddie> I'm trying to fix the liqbase repo
Oct 06 22:28:41 <rm_you|> <_<
Oct 06 22:28:43 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, we need to work on our wiki page.
Oct 06 22:28:44 <rm_you|> what is broken about it
Oct 06 22:28:53 <crashanddie> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=liqbase
Oct 06 22:29:12 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: how so?
Oct 06 22:29:15 <crashanddie> rm_you, everything is in the root, we can't create branches
Oct 06 22:29:35 <rm_you|> oh.
Oct 06 22:29:41 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council
Oct 06 22:29:46 <rm_you|> just make a directory called trunk
Oct 06 22:29:51 <rm_you|> and svn mv everything in there
Oct 06 22:30:00 <rm_you|> and commit <_<
Oct 06 22:30:00 <GeneralAntilles> Mission, roadmap, and figuring out the election stuff.
Oct 06 22:30:02 <rm_you|> well
Oct 06 22:30:06 <crashanddie> rm_you, it yells
Oct 06 22:30:09 <rm_you|> make trunk/ first, add it, commit
Oct 06 22:30:11 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Oct 06 22:30:12 <GeneralAntilles> Poor lcuk.
Oct 06 22:30:14 <rm_you|> then mv, then commit
Oct 06 22:30:20 <crashanddie> hmm
Oct 06 22:30:20 <crashanddie> ok
Oct 06 22:30:23 <crashanddie> will try
Oct 06 22:30:27 <rm_you|> yeah it would yell
Oct 06 22:30:35 <rm_you|> we had the same issue with ABL
Oct 06 22:30:37 <rm_you|> it was kind of bleh
Oct 06 22:31:07 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: yes, fair enough
Oct 06 22:31:17 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, you guys need to blog, too. :P
Oct 06 22:31:53 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: I've been away, or at least not near a computer
Oct 06 22:31:55 <crashanddie> rm_you|, how do i commit to the svn repo? :-°
Oct 06 22:32:06 * crashanddie hates svn
Oct 06 22:32:07 <rm_you|> svn ci -m "fixing the repo"
Oct 06 22:32:08 <crashanddie> <3 git
Oct 06 22:32:13 <crashanddie> ci?
Oct 06 22:32:19 <rm_you|> yes
Oct 06 22:32:22 <rm_you|> short for checkin
Oct 06 22:32:23 <crashanddie> ok
Oct 06 22:32:28 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Oct 06 22:32:39 <GeneralAntilles> Don't hate what you don't understand. :D
Oct 06 22:32:45 <lardman> I also hate blogging
Oct 06 22:32:51 <derf> GeneralAntilles: Blogging takes away from actually being productive.
Oct 06 22:33:13 <GeneralAntilles> derf, blogging is part of being productive for the council. :)
Oct 06 22:34:19 <lardman> I, for one, would be happy with the chairman issuing progress blogs ;)
Oct 06 22:34:45 <rm_you|> crashanddie: http://slexy.org/view/s21OwXcFWu ?
Oct 06 22:35:18 <crashanddie> rm_you|, trying... I managed to commit the trunk/
Oct 06 22:35:30 <crashanddie> but with svn mv * trunk/ I get: svn: Client error in parsing arguments
Oct 06 22:35:42 <rm_you|> ....
Oct 06 22:35:56 <rm_you|> try moving the files one at a time
Oct 06 22:35:59 <rm_you|> you might need to <_<
Oct 06 22:36:03 <crashanddie> cock
Oct 06 22:36:11 <rm_you|> i think SVN may be kind of borken in that way
Oct 06 22:36:15 <rm_you|> bleh
Oct 06 22:36:22 * crashanddie reiterates: he hates svn
Oct 06 22:36:31 <derf> for i in * ; do svn mv "$i" trunk/ ; done
Oct 06 22:36:35 <rm_you|> that annoyed me a bit
Oct 06 22:38:34 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: just kidding really, not sure there's much to blog about atm though - there's the ongoing talk about maemo.org design, I throw in my 2p's worth, but it's not my field really
Oct 06 22:39:07 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, well, tim or Jaffa should hit on that one. But speaking generally. ;)
Oct 06 22:39:50 <lardman> I know, but as I am usually around here, I hope people are getting their money's worth at least
Oct 06 22:40:39 <derf> Just dump lardman's IRC logs onto a web page and call it a blog.
Oct 06 22:41:04 <lardman> give that man a cigar!
Oct 06 22:41:07 <lardman> :)
Oct 06 22:41:58 <GeneralAntilles> Expect thumbs. :D
Oct 06 22:42:16 <GeneralAntilles> Also note, blog karma hasn't been patched yet. :P
Oct 06 22:43:57 <lardman> yeah, well I would really prefer to do or talk to people rather than write about stuff, not to bothered about the karam (though /me wonders if he still has 8 discussion karma points :) )
Oct 06 22:44:44 <lardman> yes, still up there in the top league :D
Oct 06 22:46:44 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, just be glad you're not zeenix. ;)
Oct 06 22:47:45 * lardman waits for maemo.org to load zeenix's page
Oct 06 22:47:55 <lardman> and continues waiting....
Oct 06 22:48:08 <lardman> and goes to get a drink lest he dies of dehydration during the wait
Oct 06 22:49:00 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, more fun: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3767
Oct 06 22:49:31 <crashanddie> rm_you|, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=liqbase <-- does this look okay?
Oct 06 22:49:52 <lardman> owch, poor zeenix's blog karma
Oct 06 22:50:17 <lardman> re my comment about limiting the nagative karma from a given group
Oct 06 22:50:39 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, it's what he gets for blogging about Finnish summer cottages. ;)
Oct 06 22:50:40 <rm_you|> yep
Oct 06 22:51:03 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: yes, I quite agree with that; off topic should get thumbs down
Oct 06 22:51:17 <GeneralAntilles> dneary's got a patch, anyway.
Oct 06 22:51:26 <GeneralAntilles> It just needs to be pushed with the next update.
Oct 06 22:51:57 <lardman> however crap blogging shouldn't take away from good bugzilla/project/(dare I say) mailing list posts (not that they apparently count much these days ;))
Oct 06 22:55:27 <dick-richardson> you know that little willie won't go home song?
Oct 06 22:57:35 <lardman> no
Oct 06 22:57:53 * lardman puts on his council hat and walks amongst the electorate
Oct 06 22:57:58 <lardman> :)
Oct 06 22:59:17 <lardman> where do I find the value of NET_NEMEIN_DISCUSSION_NEW ?
Oct 06 23:00:12 <derf> It's 4.
Oct 06 23:00:46 <lardman> hmm, so what does a status of 4 mean?
Oct 06 23:00:52 <derf> Gekk if I know.
Oct 06 23:00:56 <lardman> http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/calculator.php for the lurkers
Oct 06 23:01:00 <derf> That was just in the first Google result.
Oct 06 23:01:07 <lardman> ah ok :)
Oct 06 23:01:25 <derf> define('NET_NEMEIN_DISCUSSION_NEW', 4);
Oct 06 23:02:31 <lardman> $this->_config->get('karma_discussion_badpost_modifier') is the other interesting value (from my point of view anyway)
Oct 06 23:05:35 <lardman> 'karma_discussion_badpost_modifier' => -1, from http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/config/config.inc
Oct 06 23:06:53 <lardman> ah, so from http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nemein.discussion/midcom/interfaces.php we can see what the NEW business is all about
Oct 06 23:07:12 <lardman> now, where do I find out if my old posts have been rated as <4 ?
Oct 06 23:10:57 <bef0rd> <3
Oct 06 23:11:33 <lardman> <3?
Oct 06 23:12:05 <derf> Haha.
Oct 06 23:14:20 <crashanddie> dholbert, SATAN!
Oct 06 23:15:12 <dholbert> ??
Oct 06 23:15:43 <dick-richardson> he's right, dholbert
Oct 06 23:15:51 <dholbert> :(
Oct 06 23:15:55 <dick-richardson> I didn't want to say anything, but we've all known
Oct 06 23:16:26 <GAN800> Welcome to insanity later.
Oct 06 23:16:58 <lardman> GAN800: do we transition from the drunk Eurpoeans to the drunk Americans at some point? :)
Oct 06 23:17:20 <lardman> probably still sober Americans at this point
Oct 06 23:17:26 <lardman> :)
Oct 06 23:17:26 <GAN800> Not unless you're buying.
Oct 06 23:17:30 <lardman> lol
Oct 06 23:17:31 <dholbert> d'oh... /me tried to change nick to SANTA, but it's already in use
Oct 06 23:17:37 * dick-richardson starts...er, continues drinking heavily
Oct 06 23:17:48 <lardman> yeah, pop over, should be a few bars open at just after midnight :)
Oct 06 23:18:23 <GAN800> Sadly the stopped flying the Concorde. :(
Oct 06 23:18:37 <lardman> would make for an expensive beer!
Oct 06 23:20:13 <derf> They've got one in a hangar over at Dulles.
Oct 06 23:20:20 <derf> You could always go steal it.
Oct 06 23:20:29 <crashanddie> how come the nightly svn tarballs don't work?
Oct 06 23:20:45 <lardman> crashanddie: not implemented
Oct 06 23:20:52 <crashanddie> hmm
Oct 06 23:20:59 <derf> Though it's in the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy Annex to the National Air and Space Museum, so it might not be in flyable condition.
Oct 06 23:21:35 <crashanddie> well, even "good" concordes tend to crash a bit :P
Oct 06 23:21:51 <derf> Just don't drop pieces of landing gear on the runway before takeoff.
Oct 06 23:22:12 <derf> Though, if you could find the fuel for it, I'd take the SR-71 that's there instead.
Oct 06 23:22:52 <derf> But they had to be refueld in the air immediately after takeoff, so probably not practical.
Oct 06 23:23:27 <lardman> depends on the take off run I thought, should still be doable
Oct 06 23:23:35 <GAN800> Hehe
Oct 06 23:23:52 <lardman> just remember keas around 350knots all the way
Oct 06 23:24:24 <derf> Well, they a) leak fuel like a sieve when not flying at supersonic speeds and b) they had stability problems when taking off with a full tank.
Oct 06 23:24:45 <lardman> ah, might be troublesome then :)
Oct 06 23:26:01 <lardman> right, on the assumption that the General won't be turning up in a couple of hours, I'm going to hit the sack
Oct 06 23:26:06 <lardman> night all
Oct 07 00:19:52 <TokyoDan> hello
Oct 07 00:50:40 <dick-richardson> I have never had a much trouble with any peice of software on any platform as I do with Amarok
Oct 07 00:51:30 <dick-richardson> Even so far as to run a complete mysql database for it, but it's still no good
Oct 07 00:51:40 <arachnist> i have never seen any good music players, on any platform, aside from amarok-1.4.x (2.x is rubbish) and xmms2
Oct 07 00:52:03 <arachnist> and using amarok with mysql doesn't improve things
Oct 07 00:52:24 <dick-richardson> I'm using 1.4.9 but in kde 4 - which is what I think the problem is
Oct 07 00:52:43 <arachnist> using it with postgres *might* improve speed if you have a >=100GB music collection
Oct 07 00:53:13 <dick-richardson> I'm not even touching 20GB
Oct 07 00:53:36 <arachnist> so there's no point in using anything but sqlite in your case
Oct 07 00:55:36 <GeneralAntilles> What in the world is up with the guy on -developers stealing the community edition idea? :\
Oct 07 01:25:08 <whodat> having trouble getting sip working on n810, anyone else use it?
Oct 07 01:25:16 <bef0rd> nop
Oct 07 01:27:53 <bef0rd> There are some additional profiles available with rtcomm beta, but, what service are you using?
Oct 07 01:42:19 <|thunder> i think by using it it breaks other protocols though
Oct 07 02:09:41 <TokyoDan> hello
Oct 07 02:28:57 <TokyoDan_> hello
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