**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 07 02:59:57 2008
Oct 07 03:11:09 <lopz> nigtht
Oct 07 03:11:51 <lopz> nigth*
Oct 07 03:12:14 <nn800n> nhigt
Oct 07 03:12:33 <lopz> night*
Oct 07 04:53:21 <cyrus__> Is it possible to uninstall an application like wayfinder (since I Just plan on using Maemo mapper)?
Oct 07 05:08:07 <RST38h> yes.
Oct 07 07:39:04 <yigal> I am trying to remove tetex-base but am getting this error "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new post-removal script: No such file or directory" in fact there are no scripts at all in /var/lib/dpkg/info for this package can anyone help?
Oct 07 07:39:59 <yigal> maybe I can just "touch filename"?
Oct 07 07:41:52 <yigal> no this is not a solution
Oct 07 07:49:09 <yigal> any hint would be nice
Oct 07 07:52:21 <thux> Stskeeps: can i mount another sd card to deblet? what about flash disk?
Oct 07 07:53:16 <yigal> ok, so a little lower level dpkg work was all it takes, "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --remove tetex-base"
Oct 07 08:01:52 <Stskeeps> thux: yes
Oct 07 08:02:17 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 07 08:07:32 <crashanddie> 'ello
Oct 07 08:10:00 <thux> Stskeeps: is there any howtos or docs about mounting and usb-networking etc on deblet?
Oct 07 08:10:35 <Stskeeps> thux: usb networking is simple, usbnet is already set up with ip 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
Oct 07 08:10:45 <thux> ok
Oct 07 08:10:59 <Stskeeps> so add your default gateway and resolv configuration, - better yet, edit /etc/network/interfaces
Oct 07 08:11:12 <Stskeeps> mounting is mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk<whatever>p<whatever> /where/you/want/it :P
Oct 07 08:11:23 <Stskeeps> it is the same as on every other debian
Oct 07 08:11:35 <thux> Stskeeps: and flash disk?
Oct 07 08:11:44 <Stskeeps> usb or?
Oct 07 08:11:56 <thux> deblet
Oct 07 08:12:10 <Stskeeps> you can't obviously do usb host and networking at same time :) if that's what you're asking
Oct 07 08:12:39 <thux> no howto mount flash disk where is diablo to deblet
Oct 07 08:12:43 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 07 08:12:46 <Stskeeps> look in /mnt/rootfs
Oct 07 08:12:54 <Stskeeps> it's already mounted
Oct 07 08:12:54 <thux> ok
Oct 07 08:13:03 <Stskeeps> next time say internal flash :)
Oct 07 08:13:10 <thux> one more question
Oct 07 08:13:13 <Stskeeps> there's no moving parts, so
Oct 07 08:13:42 <thux> how to change nit-envs if want gnome-basic instead lxde?
Oct 07 08:14:00 <thux> both are installed
Oct 07 08:15:33 <thux> is it update-alternatives thing?
Oct 07 08:16:34 <Stskeeps> think you can apt-get remove nit-env-lxde then
Oct 07 08:16:35 <Stskeeps> well
Oct 07 08:16:40 <Stskeeps> not sure honestly
Oct 07 08:16:53 <Stskeeps> but i would assume it's update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
Oct 07 08:16:54 <Stskeeps> or something
Oct 07 08:17:05 <Stskeeps> i haven't done it recently and it should probably be easier to do :P
Oct 07 08:18:57 <thux> ok
Oct 07 08:19:01 <thux> thanks
Oct 07 08:22:30 <broken_ladder> i noticed that your communit council elections use plurality voting, more or less.
Oct 07 08:23:03 <broken_ladder> i'm with a group headed by a princeton math ph.d., which studies voting methods, and could help you get dramatically better results by using a better voting method.
Oct 07 08:23:15 <broken_ladder> does anyone know who i could talk to about this, within the maemo community?
Oct 07 08:25:05 <broken_ladder> for instance, fedora uses score voting.
Oct 07 08:25:14 <broken_ladder> wb
Oct 07 08:25:21 <X-Fade> Morning.
Oct 07 08:28:21 <crashanddie> broken_ladder, Probably starting a thread on maemo-community (mailing-list) should be able to get you going
Oct 07 08:30:20 <crashanddie> broken_ladder, this post leaked quite some ink: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-August/000658.html
Oct 07 08:32:13 <crashanddie> anyway, I'm off for a job interview in Cambridge, 'later all !
Oct 07 08:34:48 <Jaffa> crashanddie: the council has a task to suggest a new voting method and voter eligibility criteria and put it to a referndum. A thread on maemo-community with some suggestions would be very useful
Oct 07 08:34:57 <Jaffa> s/crashanddie/broken_ladder/
Oct 07 08:34:59 <infobot> Jaffa meant: broken_ladder: the council has a task to suggest a new voting method and voter eligibility criteria and put it to a referndum. A thread on maemo-community with some suggestions would be very useful
Oct 07 08:37:22 <Stskeeps> my god, beagleboards are tiny
Oct 07 08:49:09 <lardman> morning
Oct 07 08:49:32 <trickie|work> lardman: morning
Oct 07 08:49:40 <lardman> hi trickie|work
Oct 07 08:50:10 <lardman> were you at the summit? If so, my apologies for not getting a chance to say hello
Oct 07 08:50:41 <trickie|work> lardman: no unfortunately, i have been out of the maemo loop for a month or two
Oct 07 08:50:51 <lardman> ah, right
Oct 07 08:50:55 <trickie|work> some good things seem to be coming out though
Oct 07 08:51:25 <trickie|work> lardman: you enjoy it? the summit i mean
Oct 07 08:52:10 <lardman> yeah it was really good, not enough time to talk to everyone I wanted to though :(
Oct 07 08:52:42 <trickie|work> i bet :)
Oct 07 08:53:26 <trickie|work> was just looking through the fremantle details/presentations - looks exciting
Oct 07 08:53:41 <lardman> yes, looks really cool :)
Oct 07 08:53:50 <X-Fade> trickie|work: We missed you at the summit ;)
Oct 07 08:54:27 <trickie|work> X-Fade: awe shucks... yeah i really wanted to come, but i had already organised some holidays before it was even announced at linuxtag
Oct 07 08:54:33 <trickie|work> next time for sure though
Oct 07 08:56:02 <trickie|work> i saw some talk about maybe a miniconf around fosdem
Oct 07 08:56:16 <trickie|work> which would be cool for us (close by :)
Oct 07 08:56:41 <X-Fade> Yes, that would be pretty close ;)
Oct 07 08:57:50 <trickie|work> X-Fade: so was there any running races? im sure dneary would like his title back :)
Oct 07 08:57:51 <trickie|work> ha ha
Oct 07 08:58:15 <dneary> trickie|work: Not this time
Oct 07 08:58:18 <lardman> running to the next bar?
Oct 07 08:58:20 <RST38h> moo, lardman,X-Fade,all
Oct 07 08:58:26 <lardman> hey RST38h
Oct 07 08:58:33 <X-Fade> trickie|work: Well, dneary did some running again ;)
Oct 07 08:58:33 <trickie|work> howdy
Oct 07 08:58:40 <dneary> I came prepared on the Saturday wearing runners, and got to jog quite quickly back from the Berlin wall to give my presentation ;)
Oct 07 08:58:58 <trickie|work> dneary: nice to see you are still in form :)
Oct 07 08:59:05 <lardman> ah, I thought you had the sweats 'cos you were nervous ;)
Oct 07 08:59:49 <dneary> trickie|work: http://88.191.81.118/Results.aspx?RaceId=164 <- I had to go back to Lyon on Saturday night to run this race
Oct 07 08:59:55 <dneary> 1:30:28
Oct 07 09:00:12 <dneary> bit disappointed not to get under 1:30
Oct 07 09:00:49 <trickie|work> dneary: not bad though, well done
Oct 07 09:00:57 <dneary> thanks :)
Oct 07 09:01:06 <dneary> I did injure myself though
Oct 07 09:01:21 <trickie|work> i have just started to run again, although amsterdam weather has made that quite a challenge recently
Oct 07 09:01:23 <trickie|work> oh no
Oct 07 09:02:13 <trickie|work> i wished i could have seen the mamona presentations, and met some of the indt guys
Oct 07 09:02:15 <dneary> If they'd take that "specimen" text off the photos, you can see me pretty well in these 4:
Oct 07 09:02:17 <dneary> http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=2723
Oct 07 09:02:24 <X-Fade> trickie|work: Well, I sat 2 days in the rain and 6 Bft wind while watching the A1GP in Zandvoort :)
Oct 07 09:02:25 <dneary> http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=2724
Oct 07 09:02:41 <dneary> http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=6692 (in the background)
Oct 07 09:02:57 <dneary> http://88.191.81.118/GetPhotoSpecimen.ashx?id=6693 (and again)
Oct 07 09:03:06 <Stskeeps> mm, <3 someone just dropped a beagleboard in my lap
Oct 07 09:03:14 <trickie|work> X-Fade: ha, sucker for punishment aye :)
Oct 07 09:03:26 <trickie|work> Stskeeps: lucky duck
Oct 07 09:03:37 <crashanddie> Jaffa, murderer !
Oct 07 09:03:41 <dneary> They were super lazy
Oct 07 09:03:45 <crashanddie> off, bye
Oct 07 09:04:15 <trickie|work> dneary: nice actions shots
Oct 07 09:04:29 <thux> Stskeeps: does deblet read fstab? (cause diablo doesn't)
Oct 07 09:04:31 <dneary> Rather than having professional photographers who toop thousands of good photos, they set up 2 cameras that started taking pictures one a second at an intermediary slot and at the finish line
Oct 07 09:04:38 <lardman> Regarding the maemo.org re-design, might it be worth having a "Pearl"-like feature for the developer page showing a random Garage project (and not just a pearl, all of them)? There are lots of cool things in there that people don't see
Oct 07 09:04:58 <dneary> Then they use your split times from the chip to get the 3/4 seconds during which you're going through the checkpoint
Oct 07 09:05:03 <dneary> And hoping that you're in there
Oct 07 09:06:36 <trickie|work> lardman: yeah there is a lot of hidden treasure, i find a lot everytime i bother to look through the listings at garage
Oct 07 09:06:42 <RST38h> lardman: Probably not. I would remove the pearl as well.
Oct 07 09:06:58 <RST38h> lardman: unless somebody updates it by hand regularly, it is useless
Oct 07 09:07:25 <lardman> RST38h: How so, just have a new one every day or two, go through the list from project #1, then wrap around
Oct 07 09:07:48 <lardman> actually might need to have 5 displayed at a time, otherwise we'll never make it though
Oct 07 09:09:16 <napsy_> Hello. I have a gtk+ application for n800 that I need to rotate for 90 degrees. Is there a command to do that?
Oct 07 09:10:12 <Stskeeps> thux: yeah
Oct 07 09:10:23 <thux> good
Oct 07 09:20:24 <RST38h> lardman: Yea but it is a pearl
Oct 07 09:20:49 <RST38h> lardman: I am sorry to say it, but not every one of 200+ projects on garage deserves to be considered a pearl
Oct 07 09:20:58 <RST38h> napsy: No.
Oct 07 09:21:12 <lardman> I know, I meant to simply have a "Garage Project" sort of list, which updates
Oct 07 09:21:25 <RST38h> lardman: There are already most popular apps (by download), most highly rated apps, and the latest apps
Oct 07 09:21:37 <lardman> I know, I already know about them though :)
Oct 07 09:21:51 <RST38h> lardman: That is because nobody is rotyating them
Oct 07 09:21:52 <lardman> I want to see the cool apps that are either not finished, not working, etc,
Oct 07 09:22:13 <RST38h> lardman: i.e. tje "correct" behaviour would be to select top 25 in each category and rotate through them, 5 at a time
Oct 07 09:22:26 <RST38h> Ah, you want work-in-progress ones!
Oct 07 09:22:58 <RST38h> If there is CVS being hosted for an app at garage, you can also have a list of 5 last-updated-source-code apps
Oct 07 09:22:59 <lardman> I don't care about the top 25 though, I want to see the stuff I don't see
Oct 07 09:23:30 <lardman> that might be interesting, but some projects are small/low update/already stagnating
Oct 07 09:23:31 <RST38h> lardman: tracking CVS updates or a general level of forum discussion should do the trick for you
Oct 07 09:23:43 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, terrifying, isn't it?
Oct 07 09:24:04 <lardman> RST38h: hmm, I assume others also suffer from my problem, so if a project isn't well known that won't help
Oct 07 09:24:05 <RST38h> lardman: To hunt for something like this you would really need a human to do the job =(
Oct 07 09:24:06 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yes indeed. i'm still astonished with 2gb on a microsd really
Oct 07 09:24:31 <Stskeeps> or whatever smaller ones exist
Oct 07 09:24:54 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, I think there's finally a patch to make OTG work correctly with reasonably recent kernels.
Oct 07 09:25:01 <RST38h> lardman: In other words, we need some pain-in-the-ass guy who scavenges through garage, finds interesting apps, presents them via The Planet and bugs their owners too
Oct 07 09:25:17 <RST38h> lardman: ...and you have just volunteered! =)
Oct 07 09:25:22 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: sounds interesting.. i've yet to have mine booting just yet, just got it 20 mins ago :P
Oct 07 09:25:32 <Stskeeps> will start experiments after exams
Oct 07 09:25:56 <lardman> RST38h: lol
Oct 07 09:26:45 <Stskeeps> btw, wasn't manona's goal to be a open source alternative that acts like maemo? why the .. bloody hell does all the screenshots show enlightenment then?
Oct 07 09:27:28 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, haaa.
Oct 07 09:27:34 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder that too.
Oct 07 09:28:12 * Stskeeps will start compiling up-to-date from hildon application framework packages tonight probably and see if he can get something pretty to run
Oct 07 09:29:07 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet1.png :P
Oct 07 09:29:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, I just built kourou for zaurus zaurus :)
Oct 07 09:29:19 <Stskeeps> johnx: how does it work?
Oct 07 09:29:20 <trickie|work> Stskeeps: well it aims to be an alternative, but it is not aiming to act like maemo
Oct 07 09:29:42 <johnx> Stskeeps, haven't even tried it yet, I just got home and saw the buld finished
Oct 07 09:30:03 <Stskeeps> johnx: it's python so it can't build that hard ;)
Oct 07 09:30:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, dependencies, dependencies, dependencies
Oct 07 09:30:18 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 07 09:30:52 <Stskeeps> right, lunchtime..
Oct 07 09:30:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 07 09:31:02 <johnx> dinnertime :P
Oct 07 09:31:17 <RST38h> Stskeeps: mamona is akin to an ancient kraken
Oct 07 09:31:29 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: mmm, network manager - shiny
Oct 07 09:31:37 <RST38h> Stskeeps: from time to time you hear about it in somebody's blog but nobody has seen it, used it, or cares about it
Oct 07 09:31:54 <johnx> RST38h, until it rises from the deep to devour sailors whole?
Oct 07 09:32:12 <RST38h> johnx: that will definitely make my day =)
Oct 07 09:32:19 <trickie|work> RST38h: i beg to differ, i use it exclusively ATM on my n800
Oct 07 09:32:30 <RST38h> trickie: really? How is it?
Oct 07 09:32:33 <johnx> trickie, how's the battery life compared to os2008?
Oct 07 09:32:47 <RST38h> btw, pretty much the same kind be said about jalimo
Oct 07 09:32:56 <RST38h> s/kind/can/
Oct 07 09:32:56 <trickie|work> IMHO a better development environment as you have full control of the toolchain
Oct 07 09:32:57 <infobot> RST38h meant: btw, pretty much the same can be said about jalimo
Oct 07 09:33:07 <RST38h> trickie: yes but what about the users?
Oct 07 09:33:12 <trickie|work> the battery life is ok, if you do some tweaks
Oct 07 09:33:19 <johnx> yeah, OE rocks pretty hard for building
Oct 07 09:33:30 * johnx gets his OE env put back together
Oct 07 09:33:35 <trickie|work> :)
Oct 07 09:33:52 <trickie|work> RST38h: but for a normal user i could see why mamona would not appeal over maemo
Oct 07 09:34:02 <trickie|work> but to hack on it it is great :)
Oct 07 09:34:51 <trickie|work> i really want to try out this new wifi driver
Oct 07 09:34:59 <trickie|work> and the latest omap kernel with mamona
Oct 07 09:35:49 <trickie|work> bbl, ciao
Oct 07 09:43:07 <GAN800> Welcome back
Oct 07 09:43:39 <trickie|work> ta :)
Oct 07 09:50:01 <mikkov_> is maemo.org/downloads broken for everybody or just for me?
Oct 07 09:56:07 <solmumaha> mikkov_: slow, but works
Oct 07 10:19:08 <mikkov_> i get "Fatal error: Class 'midcom_core_temporary_object' not found in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on line 203" error message and partially loaded page
Oct 07 10:30:32 <blafasel> Stupid OT question: I have to translate something to english and stumble upon a term here: Some mobile carriers offer a second sim card for a reduced price, for your gf/kid/wife whatever. Any ideas how that might be called in english marketing speech?
Oct 07 10:31:21 <blafasel> German would translate (word by word) to "partner card", but that sounds stupid in german already ;)
Oct 07 10:32:07 <GAN800> They call those 'family plans' over here.
Oct 07 10:32:17 <johnx> yeah, but it's not exactly the same thing
Oct 07 10:33:16 <blafasel> Nope, we have those as well.
Oct 07 10:33:25 <blafasel> It's more a second sim card on your own contract
Oct 07 10:33:59 <johnx> They don't actually have that in the US as far as I know
Oct 07 10:35:36 <blafasel> Hmm. Aren't most mobile's without sim over there anyway?
Oct 07 10:35:52 <GAN800> No.
Oct 07 10:35:53 <blafasel> Don't even know the target here, probably UK though (since we have a branch there)
Oct 07 10:35:58 <johnx> half are, half aren't
Oct 07 10:36:22 <blafasel> Interesting, thanks
Oct 07 10:36:29 <johnx> but most carriers want to sell you phone+plan
Oct 07 10:50:05 <Jaffa> blafasel: Probably just "Extra SIM" or - maybe - "Family Plan". The latter wouldn't be self-explanatory.
Oct 07 10:55:20 <x-demon> hi
Oct 07 10:55:27 <x-demon> anyone using conala?
Oct 07 10:55:31 <x-demon> canola, sorry
Oct 07 10:55:50 <johnx> yup, all the time
Oct 07 10:57:15 <x-demon> i have a problem with tags
Oct 07 10:57:23 <x-demon> i embed a <LYRICS> tag into mp3
Oct 07 10:57:29 <x-demon> where lyrics stored
Oct 07 10:57:47 <x-demon> after that, canola not reading tags for those songs
Oct 07 11:09:53 <x-demon> ijon_1>> сотрудник яндекса? =)
Oct 07 11:10:41 <ijon_1> x-demon: Вас это удивляет? ))
Oct 07 11:10:50 <x-demon> немного =)
Oct 07 11:10:54 <crashanddie_> Oy!
Oct 07 11:11:39 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Oct 07 11:11:59 * crashanddie_ is on the train \o/
Oct 07 11:12:17 <x-demon> hi
Oct 07 11:13:22 <crashanddie_> ~ping
Oct 07 11:13:23 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 07 11:14:18 <GeneralAntilles> Nice, crashanddie_. :P
Oct 07 11:15:02 <crashanddie_> I was in the station, waiting for the train to leave
Oct 07 11:15:05 <Khertan_n810> rah it thread can t be killed in python
Oct 07 11:15:28 <crashanddie_> I was quite surprised when the connection kept going while travelling
Oct 07 11:45:43 <crashanddie_> Train arrived, I'm off, later
Oct 07 12:57:44 <Mek> okay, disconnecting a bluetooth keyboard from my n810 while it had caps-lock on is quite annoying :)
Oct 07 13:07:39 <RST38h> hehe
Oct 07 13:08:04 <RST38h> you mean, CapsLock status is really kept in the host not in the keyboard?
Oct 07 13:10:58 <Mek> apparently...
Oct 07 13:11:40 <X-Fade> Which is true for a PC too.
Oct 07 13:12:17 <X-Fade> Whenever you have a hard hang, you can check it by hitting numlock or caps lock.
Oct 07 13:12:17 <Kegetys> with caps lock bound as additional ctrl that would not have happened :)
Oct 07 13:13:08 <Mek> it is not true at least for mac os x... I can have a different caps lock state on th einternal keyboard and my bluetooth one...
Oct 07 13:13:23 <RST38h> Yep
Oct 07 13:13:33 <X-Fade> Mek: Yes, but it is still kept at the host.
Oct 07 13:13:37 <RST38h> Scancodes have no case although there is a separate scancode for CpasLock
Oct 07 13:13:38 <Kegetys> the OS propably just keeps track of it
Oct 07 13:14:00 <RST38h> Having different states for different keyboards in the host is normal though
Oct 07 13:16:53 <Jaffa> Damnit. Fremantle SDK now in December: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle - not exactly clearly communicated in the spirit of openness.
Oct 07 13:17:28 <X-Fade> Jaffa: It always has been December. With November as 'good to have'.
Oct 07 13:19:01 <X-Fade> At least, that was what I understand.
Oct 07 13:19:05 <Jaffa> X-Fade: The comment at the summit was "November unless something goes wrong" IIRC
Oct 07 13:19:23 <Jaffa> Or phrased like "we're very hopeful for November" or something.
Oct 07 13:19:25 <Jaffa> ICBW.
Oct 07 13:20:39 <johnx> I'm very hopeful that I'll win the lottery
Oct 07 13:20:41 * Stskeeps fights with beagleboard serial port
Oct 07 13:20:53 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, straight-through adaptor?
Oct 07 13:21:03 <GeneralAntilles> 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, etc?
Oct 07 13:21:35 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: grabbed a db-19 -> rs232 from some old motherboard
Oct 07 13:21:36 <Stskeeps> s
Oct 07 13:21:45 <Stskeeps> db9, that is
Oct 07 13:22:06 <GeneralAntilles> You mean IDC10 to DB9?
Oct 07 13:22:20 <Stskeeps> yeah, sorry
Oct 07 13:22:24 <Stskeeps> http://www.pccables.com/07120.htm
Oct 07 13:22:28 <RST38h> X-Fade: Wasn't it announced as May?
Oct 07 13:22:48 <RST38h> X-Fade: And if SDK is due in December, does it mean that we can expect a new DEVICE in May?
Oct 07 13:22:48 <X-Fade> RST38h: We're talking about the alpha.
Oct 07 13:22:50 <GeneralAntilles> The red wire should be on the SD end.
Oct 07 13:22:52 <RST38h> Ah
Oct 07 13:22:57 <RST38h> So, May is for the Beta?
Oct 07 13:22:58 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: hmm, okay
Oct 07 13:23:08 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, then you'll need a nullmodem cable.
Oct 07 13:23:11 <Stskeeps> got one
Oct 07 13:23:51 <GeneralAntilles> http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2835929160/
Oct 07 13:24:29 <Stskeeps> yeah, looks similar to my setup
Oct 07 13:24:48 <Stskeeps> when the red is down to sd all three lamps doesn't light up though
Oct 07 13:24:54 <GeneralAntilles> Serial port should be: 115200 8N1 with no hardware or software flow control.
Oct 07 13:25:58 <Jaffa> RST38h: March-May for the beta; but with weekly updates from alpha->beta. Some suggestion of developer loan devices during the beta timeframe.
Oct 07 13:28:51 <RST38h> Jaffa: Those would most likely have to be devboards though...
Oct 07 13:29:12 <RST38h> Still cool.
Oct 07 13:29:52 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: atleast i'm sure board isn't dead, it makes the beep at boot :P
Oct 07 13:30:47 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, the two LEDs next to the SD card light when u-boot starts.
Oct 07 13:31:11 <Stskeeps> *nod* that doesn't happen when i have the red down to sd though, and no beep either
Oct 07 13:31:14 <Stskeeps> which is kinda weird
Oct 07 13:31:42 <Stskeeps> i'm powering from usb btw
Oct 07 13:32:19 <Mace`> i'm going to go watch the sanctuary webisodes
Oct 07 13:32:27 <Mace`> the pilot was actually pretty good
Oct 07 13:33:21 <GeneralAntilles> Red down to SD?
Oct 07 13:33:58 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 07 13:34:03 <Stskeeps> then the lights don't come on
Oct 07 13:34:11 <Stskeeps> as in, one light,  but not the near-sd ones :P
Oct 07 13:34:11 <GeneralAntilles> What is a red down to SD? :P
Oct 07 13:34:14 <GeneralAntilles> Ooooh
Oct 07 13:34:15 <GeneralAntilles> The wire
Oct 07 13:34:16 <GeneralAntilles> Ah
Oct 07 13:34:20 <Stskeeps> yes, like you said :P
Oct 07 13:34:24 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Oct 07 13:34:42 <GeneralAntilles> Weird
Oct 07 13:34:53 <Stskeeps> yeah.. gonna try with power supply now and see if that helps
Oct 07 13:34:59 <GeneralAntilles> You're not holding down USER or anything?
Oct 07 13:35:02 <Stskeeps> nada
Oct 07 13:36:52 <lopz> hola
Oct 07 13:37:41 <Stskeeps> oh that's funky, behaviour changes when on power supply..
Oct 07 13:38:09 <GeneralAntilles> Huh
Oct 07 13:38:36 <Stskeeps> no terminal stuff but it puts on lights when the plug's red wire is nearby sd :P
Oct 07 13:38:46 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, we have an svg of the logo anywhere?
Oct 07 13:39:16 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Yup
Oct 07 13:39:25 <dneary> It was sent to the mailing list
Oct 07 13:39:51 <GeneralAntilles> Can you poke at http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787?
Oct 07 13:45:54 <rollover> hi, does someone knows if a keylogger could be installed on the N810? could it log virtual keyboard entries too? I'm not interested in installing one, I just fear that someone I share the tablet with might have done it!
Oct 07 13:46:29 <Mek> anything is possible with physical access to the device...
Oct 07 13:46:39 <johnx> but I don't know any that exist
Oct 07 13:46:55 <johnx> how experienced is this person with linux?
Oct 07 13:47:30 <rollover> well he has some experience, but he's not a guru :)
Oct 07 13:47:33 <GeneralAntilles> I don't know what the logic is behind the soft poweroff interface.
Oct 07 13:47:46 <GeneralAntilles> You can enable it with one method, but you can disable it with the same method.
Oct 07 13:48:34 <GeneralAntilles> Thankfully it finally works again after 10 months.
Oct 07 13:48:56 <RST38h> Ah, forget the soft poweroff
Oct 07 13:49:06 <RST38h> The really cool thing is that Modest finally works!
Oct 07 13:49:08 <johnx> rollover, then I'd say possible but not likely. If it's your tablet, then backup your stuff and reflash. That's one way to be pretty sure
Oct 07 13:49:17 <RST38h> Only took two SSUs
Oct 07 13:49:32 <RST38h> johnx: He probably means a software keylogger
Oct 07 13:50:20 <johnx> RST38h, yes, I understood.
Oct 07 13:50:30 <johnx> that's why I suggested reflashing...
Oct 07 13:50:38 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Oct 07 13:51:48 <rollover> i know that everything is possible is you begin to program the tablet, I'm just wondering if there is a keylogger for normal linux that can work on maemo, the keyboard being different and maybe virtual and all...
Oct 07 13:51:54 <rollover> if*
Oct 07 13:52:24 <johnx> hmm...tough call actually
Oct 07 13:52:38 <johnx> the virtual keyboard doesn't generate x events I believe
Oct 07 13:52:51 <rollover> programming is out of the question yet, we are just starting to set up the environment
Oct 07 13:52:53 <rollover> and flashing
Oct 07 13:53:18 <RST38h> rollover: No.
Oct 07 13:53:35 <RST38h> rollover: If you want to spy after people, you would have to code your own spy tools.
Oct 07 13:53:40 <RST38h> Next question.
Oct 07 13:54:08 <elekt> haha
Oct 07 13:54:09 <Stskeeps> RST38h: there would be reasonable things for this though - in one project we should do semi-logging to determine user usage of the prototype and stuff though
Oct 07 13:54:17 <johnx> if I were a betting man, I'd say that there aren't any publicly available keyloggers that would log the virtual keyboard. The real question is: Do you think this person has a reason to spy on you?
Oct 07 13:54:30 <RST38h> johnx: I am pretty sure you can create some kind of a transparent window that receives all events, records them, and passes them down X11 (or GTK) window stack
Oct 07 13:54:49 <johnx> RST38h, but the virtual keyboard is pretty different
Oct 07 13:55:00 <RST38h> Stskeeps: yes, but I am not interested unless paid.
Oct 07 13:55:17 <RST38h> johnx: Actually, it should still generate *at least* gtk events, right?
Oct 07 13:55:27 <rollover> won't help much because in the case he installed a keylogger he already has my desktop system's password with allot other passwords stored in the mozilla firefox... and then if he installs another keylogger that can send online info :D... it's a vicious circle
Oct 07 13:55:30 <johnx> RST38h, it's a gtk plugin, so the key press event should never leave the app. You'd need to code it specially just for spying on gtk input methods
Oct 07 13:55:47 <Jaffa> Faked/wrapper around libgtk
Oct 07 13:56:01 <elekt> flash it
Oct 07 13:56:16 <RST38h> johnx: ah
Oct 07 13:56:23 <johnx> rollover, do you really think he would try something like that? why let him use the tablet in the first place?
Oct 07 13:56:58 <johnx> Jaffa, or just replace the hildon-input-method with one that copies out keys to a file :)
Oct 07 13:58:27 <Jaffa> johnx: :)
Oct 07 13:58:56 <RST38h> ah, you evil blackhats!
Oct 07 13:59:11 <RST38h> may the Tentacled One feast on your dirty brain matter!
Oct 07 14:00:41 <rollover> we are coworkers and we are doing learning-work on maemo, we only have one tablet:D
Oct 07 14:01:36 <Stskeeps> rollover: tablet emulator exists
Oct 07 14:03:07 <rollover> anyway, if you guys don't know of such a thing, it means nobody shared this publicly, so there's no reason for me to worry, he didn't write any program by himself, that's for sure..., i'll just be carfull what I enter on the device next time... maybe not installing pidgin will help
Oct 07 14:03:14 <rollover> thank you for answers
Oct 07 14:06:50 <Guilt> >_>
Oct 07 14:08:05 * lardman likes the sound of 2009 events, wonders about costs
Oct 07 14:10:32 <Jaffa> lardman: choose one of: summit or device discount ;-)
Oct 07 14:11:03 <RST38h> "Was performed to add another cpu to the SQL server, which was task switching like crazy."
Oct 07 14:11:07 <RST38h> Jaffa: Device discount.
Oct 07 14:11:15 <lardman> Jaffa: lol
Oct 07 14:11:26 * RST38h feels like a fortune teller
Oct 07 14:12:01 <RST38h> And if they really LOOK at what that SQL server is doing, they will probably find lots of unoptimized queries not using indices
Oct 07 14:12:28 <Jaffa> RST38h: agreed - though I'd like to have both :)
Oct 07 14:12:57 <RST38h> Jaffa: Meeting is nice but it ends and everybody is back to work
Oct 07 14:13:15 <RST38h> A subsidized device will let me actually do some cool programming
Oct 07 14:14:03 <lardman> RST38h: meetings are good to talk to people and collaborate, etc,
Oct 07 14:15:01 <RST38h> lardman: talk - yes, collaborate - irc/email is better for that, leaves permanent record
Oct 07 14:15:47 <lardman> RST38h: brainstorming and chatting about ideas are better in person, but make sure you write up the notes afterwards for the record :)
Oct 07 14:18:38 <RST38h> lardman: complete with beer bottle prints? ;)
Oct 07 14:20:51 <lardman> of course, alcohol helps the brainstorming, just not the remembering ;)
Oct 07 14:22:50 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, ping.
Oct 07 14:23:08 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: pong
Oct 07 14:23:47 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, how feasible is it to rename a Garage project after it's created?
Oct 07 14:24:04 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: It isn't.
Oct 07 14:24:25 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, wishful thinking. . . .
Oct 07 14:24:32 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Well, you can change the name which is displayed. But the unix name isn't possible.
Oct 07 14:25:15 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, well, I'm just going for it then.
Oct 07 14:29:52 <GeneralAntilles> OK, maybe not.
Oct 07 14:30:14 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe just go with Maemo CE and simultaneously collide with Nokia and Microsoft.
Oct 07 14:31:48 <Jaffa> What about Fedora's "spin" term?
Oct 07 14:31:57 <arachnist> http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html
Oct 07 14:32:28 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Or, just "Community Distro"? community-distro.garage.maemo.org
Oct 07 14:32:33 <Jaffa> Not very marketingey
Oct 07 14:32:57 <GeneralAntilles> 15 characters == community-distr
Oct 07 14:33:22 <Jaffa> Bah
Oct 07 14:33:38 <GeneralAntilles> Council Edition _would_ be easier in this case. ;)
Oct 07 14:33:49 <Jaffa> heh
Oct 07 14:34:04 <GeneralAntilles> freeporn.garage.maemo.org
Oct 07 14:34:18 <GeneralAntilles> lcuksporn.garage.maemo.org
Oct 07 14:34:39 <lardman> is that porn or sporn?
Oct 07 14:34:51 <lardman> sporn sounds a bit like spawn
Oct 07 14:35:03 <GeneralAntilles> I say let the reader decide. ;)
Oct 07 14:35:46 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Interesting suggestion from Marius on keeping red pill mode but disabling its overuse.
Oct 07 14:36:12 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, about turning show all packages and show magic packages off by default?
Oct 07 14:39:27 <GeneralAntilles> osvc.garage.maemo.org
Oct 07 14:39:38 <GeneralAntilles> Short and nonsensical.
Oct 07 14:40:20 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: no, making red-pill a one-time operation for rescue situations rather than leaving it on between runs
Oct 07 14:40:47 <GeneralAntilles> Oh
Oct 07 14:40:49 <GeneralAntilles> Hmm
Oct 07 14:40:50 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting
Oct 07 14:44:21 <whodat> so what is this red pill thing? i thought it was just a joke because the howto tells you to enter the url and then just turn around and hit cancel to abort your entry. lol
Oct 07 14:45:31 <lcuk> oh gawd *facepalm* did I accidentally commit my porn folder to svn again?
Oct 07 14:45:50 <GeneralAntilles> whodat, a special broken mode you don't need to worry about.
Oct 07 14:46:53 <EgS> hrhrhr
Oct 07 14:47:01 <nemo> lcuk: you can erase the most recent version of svn :)
Oct 07 14:47:10 <nemo> lcuk: after backing up the repo ;)
Oct 07 14:47:14 <lcuk> general, without doing a mega scrollback with vnc why is my irc flashing telling me about my  porn
Oct 07 14:47:33 <lcuk> lol nemo, it *did* take a while to upload
Oct 07 14:47:56 * qwerty12 finally got a new charger! Go on, drinks on me :P
Oct 07 14:48:11 <nemo> lcuk: why on earth don't you have an svn exclude on your porn folder?
Oct 07 14:48:19 <Mek> qwerty12: credit card number? :P
Oct 07 14:48:43 <lardman> and why is "porn" one of your keywords?
Oct 07 14:48:53 <qwerty12> Mek, If only... But I'll be happy to take your credit card number and pay you back next time :P
Oct 07 14:48:59 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, we were deciding on what we were gonna call the community edition garage site.
Oct 07 14:49:02 <Mek> :)
Oct 07 14:49:07 <GeneralAntilles> lcuksporn.garage.maemo.org was one of my suggestions. :P
Oct 07 14:49:21 <qwerty12> 404?! WTF
Oct 07 14:49:30 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, figure out http://outpo.st/rotate/
Oct 07 14:49:42 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, And do what with it? :P
Oct 07 14:49:51 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, make it play nice with Application manager.
Oct 07 14:50:10 <qwerty12> Meh, I'm a sucky packager (lcuk will be testament to that :P)
Oct 07 14:50:59 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, I should be able to update my tablet to the latest SSU (finally!), I can try soon(ish) :)
Oct 07 14:51:17 <GeneralAntilles> I'm wondering if it's 3rd party repo thing
Oct 07 14:51:31 <GeneralAntilles> Says xserver and kernel are missing, but they're clearly available.
Oct 07 14:52:37 <lcuk> qwerty12, you aren't that sucky, you managed it the first time when no1 else did :) i thank you eternally for that.  just that it didnt work once I had arranged the data structures wasnt your fault
Oct 07 14:53:27 <qwerty12> lcuk, :), I can't wait to try out your latest work though :)
Oct 07 14:53:56 <lcuk> theres a package somewhere now, i would dig up the url but vnc is bein a bitch
Oct 07 14:54:06 <lcuk> it should be goin through extras in the next few days as well..
Oct 07 14:54:13 <qwerty12> No problems, I remember it was on itt :)
Oct 07 14:54:25 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/up/liqbase_0.0.3_armel.deb
Oct 07 14:54:34 <qwerty12> Ahh, thanks!
Oct 07 14:54:38 * lcuk loves google at this end
Oct 07 14:54:48 * qwerty12 is hyped after drinking an entire bottle of boost again
Oct 07 14:54:51 <lcuk> ewwww sideways rain
Oct 07 14:55:08 <lardman> well you do live in the North ;)
Oct 07 14:55:22 <lcuk> heh yeah
Oct 07 14:55:24 <qwerty12> lardman, in the south, it's not much better :(
Oct 07 14:56:02 <lardman> qwerty12: yeah, rain's at about 10 degrees to the horizonal here :)
Oct 07 14:56:13 * lcuk checks mails and gets back to work
Oct 07 14:57:28 <qwerty12> lardman, lol, I just walked in the rain back home and it was going in my mouth >.<
Oct 07 14:57:41 <qwerty12> ~lart the UK for crappy weather
Oct 07 14:57:42 * infobot takes a big bite out of the UK's jugular vein for crappy weather
Oct 07 14:59:36 * lardman had to close the window to avoid getting wet behind his computer monitor
Oct 07 15:01:56 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: just wait for snow
Oct 07 15:02:14 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, snow's fun because then you can smack people in da face with it
Oct 07 15:02:27 <lardman> Stskeeps: we don't get that in the South much
Oct 07 15:03:06 <qwerty12> In London, we got an decent amount but nothing like what I remember (from photos anyway) in Halifax
Oct 07 15:06:30 <Stskeeps> your country shuts down when there's 2cm of snow.
Oct 07 15:06:32 <Jaffa> Global warming! We're dooooomed.
Oct 07 15:06:39 <Stskeeps> our busses stop going when there
Oct 07 15:06:44 <Stskeeps> 's atleast a meter
Oct 07 15:06:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 07 15:07:14 <lardman> 2cm is optimistic, more like 2mm
Oct 07 15:18:39 <GeneralAntilles> The world would end if it snowed down here.
Oct 07 15:19:32 <qwerty12> Lol, you lucky bastards with the continual sunniness
Oct 07 15:19:34 <qwerty12> :P
Oct 07 15:19:57 <GeneralAntilles> ;)
Oct 07 15:20:25 <GeneralAntilles> I don't see a beach vacation quite like most people. ;)
Oct 07 15:20:56 <qwerty12> Gah, my envy meter is rising :P
Oct 07 15:21:02 <lardman> hmm, still not feeling too sorry for you ;)
Oct 07 15:21:34 <GeneralAntilles> Speaking honestly, I hate the beach.
Oct 07 15:22:03 <GeneralAntilles> The water here is like bath water during the summer
Oct 07 15:22:11 <GeneralAntilles> ~80-90°F water temperature
Oct 07 15:22:27 <lardman> enough, you're making me feel sick with envy
Oct 07 15:22:34 <lardman> :)
Oct 07 15:22:44 * qwerty12 swims to Florida
Oct 07 15:22:45 <GeneralAntilles> Well, you don't need to deal with hurricanes.
Oct 07 15:23:02 <GeneralAntilles> and 102°F and 200% humidity isn't as fun as it sounds
Oct 07 15:23:08 <lardman> true
Oct 07 15:23:16 <GeneralAntilles> Plus, the insects and huge and plentiful.
Oct 07 15:23:23 <GeneralAntilles> s/and/are/
Oct 07 15:23:24 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Plus, the insects are huge and plentiful.
Oct 07 15:23:59 <qwerty12> That's good. It means I have more chance of living out my fantasy of making an insect rest in pieces.
Oct 07 15:24:20 * qwerty12 prefers scissors to fly swats when I'm hyped
Oct 07 15:25:07 <lardman> katana next step?
Oct 07 15:25:39 * qwerty12 was thinking about a katana today oddly enough
Oct 07 15:26:17 <lardman> hmmmmm
Oct 07 15:26:45 <lardman> speaking of which, /me wonders where to get ice hockey gloves
Oct 07 15:28:03 <GAN800> No generic sporting goods chains over there?
Oct 07 15:28:05 * Pavlov knows several places near sf, but bets that doesn't help
Oct 07 15:28:19 <lardman> GAN800: Ice hockey's not big over here
Oct 07 15:28:37 <Pavlov> i just got some new nike baur ones that are pretty nice
Oct 07 15:28:47 <GAN800> Hell, I could tell you three places to get ice hokey equipment here. :P
Oct 07 15:29:13 <qwerty12> I can tell you where to get ice nookie.
Oct 07 15:29:26 <qwerty12> JD don't seem to have anything for hockey
Oct 07 15:31:06 <Pavlov> huh, nike bauer does custom sticks
Oct 07 15:31:12 <Pavlov> on the internets
Oct 07 15:38:22 * lardman needs gloves for bokken fighting, ice hokey ones seem to stop fingers from getting broken
Oct 07 15:38:33 <lardman> s/fighting/practise ;)
Oct 07 15:39:14 <Pavlov> heh
Oct 07 15:39:27 <qwerty12> Now that I know lardman's still is working on it, I can insult him for now and not get in a fight later
Oct 07 15:39:58 <lardman> just make sure you've got some gloves when I see you! ;)
Oct 07 15:40:49 <qwerty12> lardman, who needs the gloves when you got kitchen devils© :P
Oct 07 15:42:50 * lardman is wondering if he means knives or some sort of oven gloves?
Oct 07 15:43:37 * qwerty12 makes a file in /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/~sfil_li_folder_user_guides/ to combat against shitty post(/pre?)inst scripts
Oct 07 15:43:49 <qwerty12> lardman, knives but I'm only joking (as unfunny as the joke is)
Oct 07 15:44:08 <lardman> in that case I'll throw my gloves at you and run away ;)
Oct 07 15:44:16 <qwerty12> hehe
Oct 07 15:51:25 <qwerty12> TF, the update won't let me update because of xserver-xomap. Oh, how I want to strangle the shit that is apt...
Oct 07 15:51:45 <qwerty12> Looks like xserver-xomap will be getting updated first ;)
Oct 07 15:55:48 <manyoso> jott: ping
Oct 07 15:56:08 <moontiger> * Ping reply from manyoso: 0.45 second(s)
Oct 07 15:56:16 <moontiger> not jott but i like pings :)
Oct 07 15:56:31 <manyoso> ooohhk
Oct 07 15:56:43 <moontiger> hehe
Oct 07 15:58:02 <Khertan_n810> ping
Oct 07 15:58:28 <Khertan_n810> surprized ... xchat autoreconnect
Oct 07 15:59:52 <jott> manyoso: hello.
Oct 07 16:00:04 <manyoso> hi jott!
Oct 07 16:00:20 <manyoso> i was wondering about the status of the qt4.5 debs
Oct 07 16:00:29 <manyoso> are you building them yet for maemo?
Oct 07 16:00:53 <jott> manyoso: i just did a manual build until now without hildon patches.
Oct 07 16:01:26 <manyoso> any chances you have debs and/or will be making a version with hildon patches?
Oct 07 16:02:10 <jott> manyoso: yes. i think we may have to look how "stable" the current snapshots are to avoid backporting upstream changes.
Oct 07 16:03:04 <manyoso> it is in feature freeze
Oct 07 16:03:15 <manyoso> so stable feature wise at least
Oct 07 16:04:15 <jott> manyoso: yeah i guess we'll try to have something ready in the not too far future.
Oct 07 16:04:24 <manyoso> but if you have 4.5 debs if you could throw them up somewhere, i'd really like to test... with or without hildon integration
Oct 07 16:05:18 <jott> manyoso: no debs. i can give you a tar.gz to be placed in /usr/local/Trolltech (they did not change that :)
Oct 07 16:05:24 <lardman> cu chaps
Oct 07 16:05:37 <manyoso> jott, nah, i'll wait for debs
Oct 07 16:05:42 <manyoso> doing a manual build for now
Oct 07 16:06:35 <jott> manyoso: actually not a big difference for testing. it's all contained in the local dir and you can just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Oct 07 16:07:06 <manyoso> what's the url?
Oct 07 16:07:19 <jott> hold on i'll put it on a server.
Oct 07 16:08:20 <manyoso> thanks
Oct 07 16:09:10 <jott> it's 148mb extracted. you may want to dump the examples/demos/include dir ;)
Oct 07 16:09:37 <manyoso> cool
Oct 07 16:11:10 <manyoso> bbiab
Oct 07 16:12:25 <jott> yeah only 1 mbit upstream, takes a few minutes :/
Oct 07 16:18:34 <jott> manyoso: http://outpo.st/qt45maemo.tar.bz2 (52M)
Oct 07 16:24:07 <GNUton> hello people
Oct 07 16:28:03 <cyrus__> How can i uninstall the wayfinder application (plan on using maemo mapper)?
Oct 07 16:29:10 * qwerty12 would like to know what cock packaged pre-installed-documentation-rx34
Oct 07 16:30:54 <solmumaha> cyrus__: remove the maps app?
Oct 07 16:31:54 <qwerty12> Since the half done upgrade fucked up my wifi and usb and my card reader sucks balls, I now have to resort to transferring that deb via bluetooth to satisfy osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked
Oct 07 16:36:22 <cyrus__> i ran apt-get autoremove and it listed kernel-diablo-flaster and flash-and-reboot as packages no longer needed
Oct 07 16:36:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: the shit debian can pull at times is nothing like what diablo can ;)
Oct 07 16:36:38 <cyrus__> sorry - kernel-diablo-flasher and flash-and-reboot
Oct 07 16:36:54 <cyrus__> those seem like needed packages or is it okay to go ahead and remove them?
Oct 07 16:37:17 <Stskeeps> they're kinda needed for initfs and kernel upgrades
Oct 07 16:37:19 <Stskeeps> afaik
Oct 07 16:40:35 <cyrus__> k...i will just leave them on then
Oct 07 16:55:44 <henrique_> hello, is there some page explaining how to setup a repository so I can distribute my .deb package through a .install file?
Oct 07 16:58:29 <henrique_> is it just a debian repo?
Oct 07 16:58:45 <qwerty12> W00t, the update fucked up but the windows flasher will automatically flash me to that version with the latest ssu
Oct 07 17:00:16 <melmoth> henrique_: you may host your .install file and use the extras repos
Oct 07 17:00:23 <melmoth> and yes, it is just a debian repo
Oct 07 17:00:37 <Khertan_n810> <Khertan_n810> i need some advise
Oct 07 17:01:06 <henrique_> melmoth: the extras repo in maemo.org?
Oct 07 17:01:14 <melmoth> yes.
Oct 07 17:01:29 <melmoth> put your install on your own apache if you want. You will have to add a "AddType application/x-install-instructions .install
Oct 07 17:01:37 <melmoth> " directive of some sort though
Oct 07 17:02:07 <melmoth> the .insall file tells where is the repo located, so it can be on another box
Oct 07 17:02:11 <Khertan_n810> i on the current development version of mCalendar i create a thread each time user click on the next or previous button which retrieve the event for the month
Oct 07 17:02:13 <henrique_> melmoth:  unfortunately, we must to use a "private" repository, so I just need instruction to create one from scratch
Oct 07 17:02:38 <Khertan_n810> the thread append event to a gtk.ListStore
Oct 07 17:03:05 <Khertan_n810> if user don t wait the event list finish to load
Oct 07 17:03:54 <Khertan_n810> clicking an other time on next or previous button will result in mixing event list for the previous/next month and the current
Oct 07 17:04:07 <Khertan_n810> i see two way of fixing that
Oct 07 17:04:24 <melmoth> henrique_: regular debian repo (theres doc about it. the main command is dpkg-scanpackages
Oct 07 17:04:30 <Khertan_n810> try to kill thread (which isn t possible in python)
Oct 07 17:04:55 <Khertan_n810> so i need to interface threading.Thread
Oct 07 17:04:58 <melmoth> henrique_: braindead simple expl (most probably bad habit though) http://hurdygurdy.dyndns.org/rapier/refresh.sh
Oct 07 17:05:11 <Khertan_n810> in my own class
Oct 07 17:05:26 <henrique_> melmoth: and I just need to follow the structure right? no need to store all the packages as in maemo.org?
Oct 07 17:05:43 <melmoth> henrique_: i think so
Oct 07 17:05:49 <Khertan_n810> or maybe made a queue list
Oct 07 17:06:00 <Khertan_n810> someone have other idea ?
Oct 07 17:06:15 <henrique_> the deps can be retrieved from another repo or I have to put them at the same repo?
Oct 07 17:06:22 <henrique_> sorry about the off topic, btw
Oct 07 17:06:27 <melmoth> another repo can do
Oct 07 17:06:39 <henrique_> melmoth: fine, thanks a lot
Oct 07 17:07:00 <melmoth> Khertan_n810: i would disable the possibility to request a new thread while the first one did not finish
Oct 07 17:07:11 <melmoth> or i would use a pool of thread
Oct 07 17:07:25 <melmoth> and disable the possibility of request when the pool is full :)
Oct 07 17:08:00 <Khertan_n810> melmoth : the problem of pool is that it will slow down you when you want to move fast to the 5th month
Oct 07 17:08:40 <Khertan_n810> waiting that previous month have finished loading
Oct 07 17:09:17 <melmoth> can you cache several list store, and have them fill when needed, but switch wich one is the model for the widget when the click occurs ?
Oct 07 17:09:29 <melmoth> and send the listore to use as an arg to the thread ?
Oct 07 17:10:21 <Khertan_n810> melmoth ... hum yep it could be an idea
Oct 07 17:10:40 <melmoth> i dont know if it s a good idea , never did it :)
Oct 07 17:10:56 <Khertan_n810> i ll look :)
Oct 07 17:11:42 <Khertan_n810> i still don t understand why python writer don t want to let the programmer killing thread
Oct 07 17:19:07 <Barnabas> hey
Oct 07 17:19:17 <Khertan_n810> melmoth: doesn t seems to work
Oct 07 17:19:26 <Khertan_n810> i create different object ...
Oct 07 17:19:32 <Barnabas> kann hier jemand deutsch?:)
Oct 07 17:19:59 <inz> Barnabas, nur Englisch
Oct 07 17:20:19 <Barnabas> arg..ok i try:)
Oct 07 17:20:25 <Khertan_n810> and i get an other problem 'too many thread open'
Oct 07 17:20:38 <Khertan_n810> so i ll try to implement my own thread
Oct 07 17:20:47 <Khertan_n810> :(
Oct 07 17:21:36 <Barnabas> can someone explain me  how i get e2fsprogs on my n770(hacked edition) so i can use MKE2FS
Oct 07 17:24:24 <Barnabas> hello?
Oct 07 17:24:36 <derf> You can just run it from a PC via USB.
Oct 07 17:25:09 <Barnabas> i?
Oct 07 17:25:20 <qwerty12> Barnabas: What hackers edition you are actually using would be nice.
Oct 07 17:25:23 <whodat> has anyone played with that mythtv port to nokia n810?
Oct 07 17:26:02 <Barnabas> SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin
Oct 07 17:26:08 <derf> Connect the 770 to a PC via USB. It's a mass storage device, so the mmc card becomes a set of block devices.
Oct 07 17:26:28 <derf> Run mke2fs on one like normal.
Oct 07 17:27:41 <whodat> so meamo has no /var/log ? :(
Oct 07 17:28:49 <whodat> I am trying to figure out why SIP won't connect to my VOIP provider, it fails and I can't find logs anywhere
Oct 07 17:29:54 <Barnabas> like normal? sry i dont know how i can run mke2fs on a windows
Oct 07 17:30:11 <Khertan_n810> melmoth:  event() should be the solution
Oct 07 17:30:21 <derf> Oh, using Windows is a problem.
Oct 07 17:31:21 <Barnabas> :-/ i know
Oct 07 17:31:22 <Barnabas> :)
Oct 07 17:32:18 <Barnabas> isnt there a catalogue where i can install it?
Oct 07 17:32:36 <qwerty12> Barnabas: I assume that hackers edition is a form of chinook. Get your armel.deb from here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/e/e2fsprogs/
Oct 07 17:34:18 <Veggen> barnabas: Or, download a vmware image of scratchbox, run it, and compile the package yourself.
Oct 07 17:36:05 <Barnabas> i try it
Oct 07 17:37:31 <Barnabas> qwerty12: i try to install the e2fsprogs 1.37-2sarge1 i386.deb but it is incopatible
Oct 07 17:37:37 <Barnabas> +m
Oct 07 17:37:52 <qwerty12> I said get the armel ones.
Oct 07 17:38:05 <qwerty12> (Though not clearly I must admit)
Oct 07 17:38:08 <Barnabas> sry:-[
Oct 07 17:39:41 <Barnabas> the same
Oct 07 17:40:20 <qwerty12> Use dpkg then. You'll need to be root to use dpkg but then again, you'll need to be root to be able to use e2fsprogs properly ;)
Oct 07 17:45:28 * Stskeeps gives up on the beagleboard for today and assumes his null modem cable is fucked
Oct 07 17:46:01 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: Give the beagleboard to me and I'll check if it's the beagleboard that is not at fault
Oct 07 17:46:06 <Stskeeps> hehe
Oct 07 17:46:07 <Barnabas> pre-dependency problem: e2fsprogs pre-depends on e2fsprogs (= 1.37-2sarge1)
Oct 07 17:46:15 <Stskeeps> eh.
Oct 07 17:46:17 <Stskeeps> wtf.
Oct 07 17:46:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: (sadly?) it's my works
Oct 07 17:46:50 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: I wont tell :P :)
Oct 07 17:47:23 <Stskeeps> hehe
Oct 07 17:47:39 <qwerty12> I don't even have any serial ports on my computers anymore. The last computer that did have one, I stripped it apart and used it to chip my xbox via hotswap.
Oct 07 17:54:22 <Khertan_n810> bye
Oct 07 18:10:15 <MangoFusion> no serial ports are great... until you come across a device that *needs* a serial connection
Oct 07 18:24:33 <pupnik810> moohoo
Oct 07 18:30:43 <solmumaha> evening pupnik810
Oct 07 18:31:08 <crashanddie__> ~ping
Oct 07 18:31:09 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 07 18:31:18 <crashanddie__> \o/
Oct 07 18:34:18 <melmoth> oh, un groslion
Oct 07 18:34:19 <melmoth> oups
Oct 07 18:34:33 <crashanddie__> stoi le gros lion
Oct 07 18:34:40 <melmoth> ahaha
Oct 07 18:35:01 <fr00d> Hello!
Oct 07 18:35:26 <fr00d> How can I add a user in maemo 2.2 on a N770?
Oct 07 18:35:36 <crashanddie__> you can't
Oct 07 18:35:52 <crashanddie__> single user interface
Oct 07 18:35:54 <fr00d> *sigh*
Oct 07 18:36:06 <crashanddie__> and it's 770, not n770
Oct 07 18:36:19 <woglinde> *g* I wonder how you want to login the other user
Oct 07 18:36:24 <fr00d> How can I set a password for the one user I have?
Oct 07 18:36:29 <woglinde> or only via ssh?
Oct 07 18:36:35 <fr00d> woglinde: Yeah.
Oct 07 18:36:40 <woglinde> passwd
Oct 07 18:36:43 <woglinde> as usal
Oct 07 18:37:14 <fr00d> Tried: The password for user cannot be changed.
Oct 07 18:37:25 <woglinde> sudo gainroot
Oct 07 18:37:30 <woglinde> passwd user
Oct 07 18:37:42 <woglinde> when you are in r&d mode
Oct 07 18:38:04 <Veggen> do you even need r&d mode any more?
Oct 07 18:38:17 <woglinde> veggen dont know
Oct 07 18:38:24 <fr00d> Uih, works..
Oct 07 18:38:27 <fr00d> fine, thx.
Oct 07 18:38:29 <crashanddie__> only to be one of the cool kids in the block
Oct 07 18:38:43 <woglinde> frood no prob
Oct 07 18:38:46 <woglinde> its unix
Oct 07 18:38:48 <woglinde> in the end
Oct 07 18:39:01 <crashanddie__> linux != unix
Oct 07 18:39:05 <crashanddie__> :P
Oct 07 18:39:09 <woglinde> muahahahaaa
Oct 07 18:39:17 <fr00d> I know but it's 2 years ago I touched this thingy the last time.
Oct 07 18:39:20 <Veggen> crashanddie: for most practical purposes, it is.
Oct 07 18:41:20 <crashanddie__> the disks aren't laid out the same, the network interfaces don't use the same denomination style, one is written by a swedish guy, other is based off some universitarian's PhD project
Oct 07 18:41:27 <crashanddie__> !=
Oct 07 18:41:28 <povbot> crashanddie__: Error: "=" is not a valid command.
Oct 07 18:41:36 <crashanddie__> oh shut up
Oct 07 18:41:49 <woglinde> *g*
Oct 07 18:42:10 <woglinde> linux isnt even posix certified, windows nt is
Oct 07 18:42:47 <crashanddie__> who gives a damn about either? (nt and posix)
Oct 07 18:42:55 <Veggen> woglinde: well. That's a truth with modifications. You can make Windows NT posix compliant, you just can't use it for anything in that mode :)
Oct 07 18:43:13 <woglinde> Veggen yeah but it is certifed
Oct 07 18:43:15 <woglinde> *g*
Oct 07 18:43:19 <derf> Veggen: Sure you can. You can use it for procuring government contracts.
Oct 07 18:45:45 <whodat> cras: linux > unix
Oct 07 18:46:00 <crashanddie__> that's your PoV
Oct 07 18:46:20 <whodat> lol just trying to start something. ;)
Oct 07 18:46:45 <Veggen> whodat: some unix versions have definitely fallen behind, also compared to Linux.
Oct 07 18:47:12 <crashanddie__> If only FOSS fanboys could stop being so whiny about everything
Oct 07 18:47:21 <Veggen> Others are alive and well and are more than just maintained, but improved continuously.
Oct 07 18:48:27 <whodat> veggen: i just wish we could standardize more. even within linux there are dozens of distros, almost like learning a new OS just to figure out a new distro.
Oct 07 18:48:32 <Veggen> HP-UX is more or less dead. And I haven't heard about many buying AIX for other than to run IBM software that runs best on it.
Oct 07 18:48:51 <manyoso> jott: what date is that qt4.5 snapshot and did you compile it with webkit in?
Oct 07 18:49:08 <manyoso> jott: thanks for throwing it up there on the server btw :)
Oct 07 18:49:08 <whodat> veggen: for instance, maemo linux has no /var/log so I have no idea where logs are kept. ;)
Oct 07 18:51:20 <whodat> some things about unix in general make no sense. for instances... /usr/bin , /usr/local/bin, /usr/sbin, /sbin, etc etc. with no concrete guidelines as to what path is for what kind of executables.
Oct 07 18:52:06 <crashanddie__> actually, there are
Oct 07 18:52:34 <whodat> bin:Commands needed during bootup that might be needed by normal users
Oct 07 18:52:35 <whodat> sbin:Like bin but commands are not intended for normal users. Commands run by LINUX.
Oct 07 18:52:42 <whodat> i dont think those rules are followed though
Oct 07 18:53:16 <crashanddie__> Depends where you look
Oct 07 18:54:25 <crashanddie__> Any good project/corp will install their daemons to /sbin, any good admin will know he can nfs share /usr/bin, and that local packages should go to /usr/local/bin
Oct 07 18:55:01 <crashanddie__> local meaning "locally installed and not to be shared with anyone else"
Oct 07 18:55:26 <crashanddie__> but yeah, no one cares eh ;)
Oct 07 18:56:33 <crashanddie__> anyway, I'm arriving at London, talk to you when I get back home
Oct 07 18:58:25 <whodat> london, lol.. cool
Oct 07 18:59:53 <crashanddie__> why lol?
Oct 07 19:01:42 <whodat> would like to go there sometime is all
Oct 07 19:10:30 <lukegee> hi,
Oct 07 19:10:39 <lukegee> where can i download x-chat for os2008?
Oct 07 19:10:48 <lukegee> i can only find a version for ps2007
Oct 07 19:14:36 * lcuk has 2/10 digits out of action
Oct 07 19:15:24 <woglinde> hm I would try the debian package and compile it in scratchbox
Oct 07 19:17:29 <X-Fade> Robot101: ping?
Oct 07 19:23:22 <lcuk> god damn it, now its 3 and a sore knee
Oct 07 19:23:38 <RST38h> lcuk
Oct 07 19:24:06 <lcuk> tumble dryer in pieces on the kitchen floor...
Oct 07 20:17:38 <Stskeeps> yawn
Oct 07 20:18:16 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Are you running this 'debfarm' repo?
Oct 07 20:19:10 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: nop, not me
Oct 07 20:19:28 <yigal_> is it possible to ssh into my n800 via usb as I've some how bricked the wifi on a failed update, and need to use dpkg/apt to straighten things out?
Oct 07 20:19:42 <Stskeeps> yigal_: got bootmenu?
Oct 07 20:20:09 <Stskeeps> hm, sec
Oct 07 20:20:11 <yigal_> Stskeeps: on the n800?, I don't think so :(
Oct 07 20:20:23 <Stskeeps> yigal_: got g_ether.ko somewhere in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules?
Oct 07 20:21:01 <yigal_> Stskeeps: ye
Oct 07 20:21:06 <yigal_> s/ye/yes
Oct 07 20:21:33 <Stskeeps> yigal_: you might be able to rmmod g_storage and insmod g_ether, and ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
Oct 07 20:21:55 <Stskeeps> and then ssh (if you had this installed already as server on tablet) in from your linux machine :P
Oct 07 20:22:13 <yigal_> I will try
Oct 07 20:22:14 <Stskeeps> (hin, modprobe usbnet on your linux machine
Oct 07 20:22:42 <woglinde> there is a script for this in the maemo wiki
Oct 07 20:22:55 <yigal_> good, must look harder
Oct 07 20:23:35 <yigal_> I have a working os2008 in the flash which I'm using right now, I'll test it on this, and then try it on the borked sd os2008
Oct 07 20:23:51 <yigal_> working == wifi works
Oct 07 20:25:21 <yigal_> woglinde: this it? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/
Oct 07 20:27:25 <yigal_> ah, but I'm using Debian so I may use http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/
Oct 07 20:28:26 <woglinde> yigal yes it is
Oct 07 20:28:38 <woglinde> debian loads all atutomagicly
Oct 07 20:29:03 <woglinde> if you uses ifplugd and entires in /etc/network/interfaces
Oct 07 20:30:50 <yigal_> woglinde: ah, funny I manually modprobed usbnet, but that's good to know
Oct 07 20:38:49 <RST38h> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/10/depression.jpg
Oct 07 20:59:33 <crashanddie> on ##c++: (lazertek) so html and c++ are different tho right?
Oct 07 21:00:57 <glass_> ugh
Oct 07 21:18:57 <RST38h> crashanddie: Have you applied obligatory torture to the poor thing?
Oct 07 21:19:23 <RST38h> as in persuading him that c++ is actually a subset of html made for embedded devices?
Oct 07 21:19:31 <crashanddie> when did I post it?
Oct 07 21:19:36 <crashanddie> 21:57
Oct 07 21:19:37 <crashanddie> [22:15] (NthDegree) lazertek: in PHP you have all your strings auto-assigned and don't need char arrays.. all functions work on strings
Oct 07 21:19:46 <crashanddie> My base is doing it for me
Oct 07 21:20:30 <RST38h> do all php functions work on strings? =)
Oct 07 21:22:32 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet2.png <- progress, yay
Oct 07 21:23:17 <crashanddie> RST38h, no
Oct 07 21:23:59 <whodat> can someone explain this red pill thing too me, i dont get it
Oct 07 21:24:26 <crashanddie> whodat, you don't need it, forget about it
Oct 07 21:24:50 <whodat> how do you know i dont need it? ;)
Oct 07 21:25:07 <qwerty12_N800> because you are asking what it is.
Oct 07 21:25:10 <RST38h> whodat: You know you do not need it when you don't know what it is
Oct 07 21:25:19 <RST38h> If you know what it is you need it
Oct 07 21:25:22 <qwerty12_N800> i'm not crashanddie and even i can see that.
Oct 07 21:25:34 <RST38h> Is it clear enough>
Oct 07 21:26:01 <crashanddie> "So run back to your mum, your computer and your crack-pipe"
Oct 07 21:26:05 <crashanddie> sorry, off topic
Oct 07 21:26:05 <whodat> lol
Oct 07 21:26:24 <whodat> its step #5 in this tutorial.
Oct 07 21:26:43 <crashanddie> whodat, ok, I'll try to be quick and painless
Oct 07 21:27:57 <crashanddie> whodat, red pill mode will effectively enhance the app manager with features no end user should need. If you find a tutorial that says you need red pill mode, they're probably wrong and it's probably outdated.
Oct 07 21:27:59 <whodat> for installing the beta of voip internet connectionn
Oct 07 21:28:24 <crashanddie> whodat, it will enhance the app manager so much, that it will effectively BREAK your installation
Oct 07 21:28:31 <crashanddie> and in 99% of cases, force you to reflash
Oct 07 21:28:47 <qwerty12_N800> btw, anyone know Nokia Chat is about?
Oct 07 21:28:55 <qwerty12_N800> what^
Oct 07 21:29:20 <crashanddie> whodat, It is always said clearly "only activate red pill if you know what you are doing", which obviously you don't, hell, even I don't. It's funny, I love it for the matrix reference, but please, unless you want an excuse to reflash, don't use it
Oct 07 21:29:24 <whodat> cras: it just shows more options(buttons) in the app manager?
Oct 07 21:30:07 <crashanddie> whodat, no, it is going to remove filters about which packages to install, it will show all the packages (even libraries, and shit no one cares about), and remove most of the compatibility checks or sumthin
Oct 07 21:30:27 <whodat> oh, so it adds more repositories.
Oct 07 21:30:36 <crashanddie> no
Oct 07 21:30:44 <crashanddie> don't try to outsmart this one, it won't work
Oct 07 21:31:15 <crashanddie> whodat, the repositories contain a whole lot of libraries, specifically, packages which are listed as belonging to something else than user/* categories
Oct 07 21:31:44 <crashanddie> these, by default, or not shown by the package manager (and when trying to install such a .deb, it will yell that the package is incompatible)
Oct 07 21:32:10 <whodat> yeah i know what repositories are, i am only new to maemo, not linux
Oct 07 21:32:40 <crashanddie> obviously, you're not that much of a guru
Oct 07 21:32:40 <crashanddie> no offence
Oct 07 21:32:51 <whodat> how do you figure? ;)
Oct 07 21:33:08 <mikkov_> use apt&dpkg instead of red pill
Oct 07 21:33:25 <crashanddie> indeed
Oct 07 21:33:40 <whodat> mikk: yes, thats what i did.
Oct 07 21:34:00 <crashanddie> whodat, most operations can be carried out with root access, using apt-get (which is the best approach), or using dpkg (though apt will start getting fuzzy after a while)
Oct 07 21:34:30 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, you still owe me a beer
Oct 07 21:34:41 <crashanddie> wait, no, I haven't met you yet, have I,
Oct 07 21:34:42 <crashanddie> ?
Oct 07 21:34:45 <whodat> cras: i know that too, just learning the maemos UI.
Oct 07 21:34:46 <lcuk> you will be waiting a while, the shop wont serve him
Oct 07 21:35:05 <crashanddie> sure they will
Oct 07 21:35:11 <RST38h> http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm
Oct 07 21:35:27 <crashanddie> qwerty12 wouldn't be the first under age youth I'd help get to a beer :P
Oct 07 21:35:27 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, nope :)
Oct 07 21:35:33 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Oct 07 21:35:34 <RST38h> Wonderful, exactly what we need, yes
Oct 07 21:35:37 <crashanddie> FUCK, why did I just say that on a publicly logged channel
Oct 07 21:35:53 <qwerty12_N800> /whois crashanddie
Oct 07 21:36:04 <dick-richardson> lol!
Oct 07 21:36:04 <crashanddie> oh well, neighbour's network anyway :P
Oct 07 21:36:23 <crashanddie> I think I'm just going to stfu now
Oct 07 21:36:25 <mikkov_> now they know that too
Oct 07 21:36:28 <crashanddie> before I confess to murder
Oct 07 21:36:30 <whodat> crash: so where does /var/log/messages i am used to live on maemos
Oct 07 21:36:33 <qwerty12_N800> good enough to pinpoint yoour location :p
Oct 07 21:36:54 <crashanddie> whodat, doesn't exist
Oct 07 21:36:55 <mikkov_> whodat: nowhere
Oct 07 21:37:01 <Mousey> whodat, apt-get install sysklogd
Oct 07 21:37:18 <whodat> so all I have is dmesg?
Oct 07 21:37:31 <crashanddie> or install sysklogd
Oct 07 21:37:34 <crashanddie> '-_-
Oct 07 21:37:35 <Mousey> until you install syslog, yah
Oct 07 21:38:02 <Mousey> while true ; do tail dmest ; sleep 2 ; clear ; done
Oct 07 21:38:08 <whodat> mousey: i read a tutorial on getting ssysklogd working, it seemed to be more involved than just installing the package
Oct 07 21:38:08 <Mousey> s/dmest/dmesg/
Oct 07 21:38:08 <infobot> Mousey meant: while true ; do tail dmesg ; sleep 2 ; clear ; done
Oct 07 21:38:08 <mikkov_> logging on battery powered embedded device isn't that wise
Oct 07 21:38:25 <RST38h> depends on how many entries you are making per minute
Oct 07 21:38:43 <mikkov_> you never know when you start logging ;)
Oct 07 21:38:45 <RST38h> flight recorders are embedded and battery powered too
Oct 07 21:39:11 <mikkov_> but they are made for logging ;)
Oct 07 21:39:12 <crashanddie> RST38h, but the battery is a few tonnes of kerosene
Oct 07 21:39:39 <RST38h> crashanddie: no, it has got its own batteries, same as an airbag in your car
Oct 07 21:39:43 <qwerty12_N800> whodat, yer, you have to add sdk repo which can be in the list of what not to  do with application manager. instead grab the debs  and install with dpkg
Oct 07 21:40:20 * qwerty12_N800 can't figure why i say yer. i blame lcuk :p
Oct 07 21:41:06 <whodat> qwerty: i am trying to get some logging out of the voip client. all it says in the UI is 'cant connect'
Oct 07 21:42:16 <crashanddie> whodat, what voip client?
Oct 07 21:42:24 <Mousey> well there's always the while loop
Oct 07 21:44:26 <whodat> cras: the one that comes with OS2008
Oct 07 21:44:40 <crashanddie> whodat, would you mind typing my full nickname?
Oct 07 21:44:56 <whodat> lol but its so long ;)
Oct 07 21:45:13 <crashanddie> whodat, cra[TAB]
Oct 07 21:47:40 <whodat> crashanddie: with tab i have to backspace because it adds an extra space. but I will do it just for you <g>
Oct 07 21:50:24 <whodat> hmm is there a 3rd party voip client for maemos
Oct 07 22:20:03 * Stskeeps swears at him not being able to make the locales work in hildon on other OS'es
Oct 07 22:21:32 <gregorovius> etrunko: I just posted on the canola beta 10 thread; I installed it from extras-devel, but it refuses to start up
Oct 07 22:23:40 <Stskeeps> \o/
Oct 07 22:24:45 <etrunko> gregorovius: can you please try the cleanup script ant then install it again?
Oct 07 22:25:28 <gregorovius> etrunko: I don't see it for installation anywhere, should it be in extras? extras-devel?
Oct 07 22:25:51 <etrunko> gregorovius: under tools extras-devel
Oct 07 22:27:51 <etrunko> gregorovius: found it?
Oct 07 22:28:16 <etrunko> if you haven't installed it yet, please run it like canola -vv
Oct 07 22:28:42 <gregorovius> etrunko: found it, i'm trying to figure out how to use it :)
Oct 07 22:28:55 <gregorovius> Usage: canola-cleanup <executable>
Oct 07 22:30:08 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet3.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet4.png
Oct 07 22:30:11 * Stskeeps goes to bed
Oct 07 22:31:15 <etrunko> gregorovius: there is an icon in the menu
Oct 07 22:31:19 <etrunko> under extras
Oct 07 22:31:55 <etrunko> Stskeeps: nm? r000000cks!
Oct 07 22:32:04 <etrunko> oh my
Oct 07 22:32:09 <etrunko> a dream come true!
Oct 07 22:32:14 <gregorovius> etrunko: it's not showing up for me :S
Oct 07 22:32:54 <etrunko> gregorovius: weird
Oct 07 22:32:55 <etrunko> so
Oct 07 22:33:10 <etrunko> gregorovius: canola-cleanup /usr/share/canola-celanup/cleanup.sh
Oct 07 22:33:11 <Stskeeps> etrunko: deblet + hildon + networkmanager + some cx3110x fixes
Oct 07 22:33:49 <etrunko> Stskeeps: does it work on the device?
Oct 07 22:34:37 <Stskeeps> etrunko: i'm sitting with it in my lap :P
Oct 07 22:34:51 <Stskeeps> so yeah
Oct 07 22:35:07 <etrunko> now that's cool
Oct 07 22:38:16 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet5.png as well
Oct 07 22:39:16 <gregorovius> etrunko: it started up fine after canola-cleanup, thanks
Oct 07 22:41:20 <gregorovius> I can only select ~, mmc1 or mmc2 as watch folders, not subfolders of those... is that on purpose?
Oct 07 22:42:21 <etrunko> gregorovius: the subfolders are available only if you have not checked the parent folder
Oct 07 22:43:22 <gregorovius> etrunko: I haven't checked the parent folder, and clicking on 'internal card' or any other doesn't show me the subfolders
Oct 07 22:43:25 <etrunko> just click on the list item
Oct 07 22:43:32 <etrunko> hmm
Oct 07 22:44:18 <etrunko> is there a grey icon on the left? that indicates there are subfolders there
Oct 07 22:44:35 <gregorovius> nope
Oct 07 22:45:20 <gregorovius> gah, nevermind
Oct 07 22:45:35 <gregorovius> file manager isn't seeing the mmc card either, it's not canola-related
Oct 07 22:45:44 <etrunko> in this case there are no subfolders there
Oct 07 22:45:49 <etrunko> :)
Oct 07 22:53:23 <gregorovius> etrunko: is ogg vorbis supposed to work out of the box now?
Oct 07 22:58:16 <etrunko> gregorovius: you only need ogg-support-lightmediascanner installed
Oct 07 22:58:32 <etrunko> which is available from kulve's repo
Oct 07 23:00:06 <gregorovius> oh, that's had a missing dependency since diablo! it works now, thanks
Oct 07 23:02:44 <etrunko> gregorovius: yup
Oct 07 23:28:03 <Robot101> X-Fade: pong
Oct 07 23:35:41 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: it was the cable
Oct 07 23:35:52 <GeneralAntilles> EruditeHermit, weird.
Oct 07 23:36:05 <GeneralAntilles> I have a couple of those myself and I'm at a total loss to explain what's different about them.
Oct 07 23:36:07 <GeneralAntilles> You get it working?
Oct 07 23:36:14 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 07 23:36:18 <EruditeHermit> I haven't flashed yet
Oct 07 23:36:26 <EruditeHermit> but it is loading stuff from flasher
Oct 07 23:36:33 <EruditeHermit> I loaded a backup kernel onto it
Oct 07 23:36:43 <EruditeHermit> but it still reboot looped
Oct 07 23:36:55 <EruditeHermit> how do I disable lifeguard reset
Oct 07 23:37:03 <EruditeHermit> or whatever is causing the reboot loop
Oct 07 23:37:16 <EruditeHermit> I want to try everything to recover this before reflashing
Oct 07 23:37:18 <EruditeHermit> if possible
Oct 07 23:37:41 <GeneralAntilles> flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset
Oct 07 23:37:43 <EruditeHermit> I do have a backup if I need to reflash, but a reflash takes a while to get back
Oct 07 23:38:29 <EruditeHermit> is it possible to boot it with the flash image from my computer and repair it?
Oct 07 23:38:51 <GeneralAntilles> No
Oct 07 23:39:05 <GeneralAntilles> See what lifeguard does
Oct 07 23:39:15 <GeneralAntilles> It'll either boot to a white screen or boot to a desktop
Oct 07 23:39:38 <GeneralAntilles> If wifi is set to automatically connect and you have ssh installed you can get in that way.
Oct 07 23:39:51 <EruditeHermit> yep
Oct 07 23:39:57 <EruditeHermit> I have both setup
Oct 07 23:43:13 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 07 23:43:25 <EruditeHermit> what is the default user for the tablets?
Oct 07 23:43:27 <EruditeHermit> user?
Oct 07 23:43:34 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Oct 07 23:43:38 <GeneralAntilles> But it has no password
Oct 07 23:44:08 <EruditeHermit> ok
Oct 07 23:44:10 <EruditeHermit> I am logged in
Oct 07 23:46:00 <EruditeHermit> doing a dpkg --configure -a
Oct 07 23:48:11 <EruditeHermit> osso-software-version-rx34 depends on pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (= 5.4);
Oct 07 23:48:20 <EruditeHermit> Version of pre-installed-documentation-rx34 on system is 5.3
Oct 07 23:48:24 <EruditeHermit> dependency problems
Oct 07 23:53:34 <EruditeHermit> dpkg: error processing mce (--configure):
Oct 07 23:53:34 <EruditeHermit>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Oct 07 23:53:42 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: any ideas?
Oct 07 23:54:08 <GeneralAntilles> What's /home/user/MyDocs/.documents look like?
Oct 07 23:55:37 <EruditeHermit> http://rafb.net/p/20EotQ43.html
Oct 08 00:01:51 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: does that tell you anything?
Oct 08 00:15:36 <EruditeHermit> hm
Oct 08 00:15:48 <EruditeHermit> I think I have managed to recover it
Oct 08 00:23:22 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: is there a way to get rid of the pdfs without removing osso-software-version?
Oct 08 00:23:45 <GAN800> Just delete them out of their folder.
Oct 08 00:24:24 <GAN800> Alternatively, just remove the package and osv and not worry about it until the next update.
Oct 08 00:32:39 <EruditeHermit> is screen rotate supported with the latest Diablo update?
Oct 08 00:33:35 <GAN800> outpo.st/rotate
Oct 08 00:35:59 <EruditeHermit> GAN800: is that better than http://sse2.net/rotate/
Oct 08 00:36:16 <GAN800> Up to date, yes.
Oct 08 00:36:28 <GAN800> They're bith by the same person.
Oct 08 00:37:16 <EruditeHermit> he should take down the old one
Oct 08 00:37:29 <EruditeHermit> or atleast link to it from the new one and say old version
Oct 08 00:37:49 <GAN800> Well, the new one is still in testing.
Oct 08 00:38:01 <GAN800> The packaging isn't quite there yet.
Oct 08 00:38:55 <EruditeHermit> GAN800: the 1 click install doesn't work
Oct 08 00:39:07 <EruditeHermit> I don't mind doing it manually
Oct 08 00:39:26 <EruditeHermit> what is the 48MHz patch, and do I want it?
Oct 08 00:39:39 <GAN800> Right, we need to figure out why Application manager is being uncooperative.
Oct 08 00:39:39 * lcuk says no
Oct 08 00:39:54 <GAN800> lcuk, buy a less shitty sd card.
Oct 08 00:40:07 <GAN800> Speeds up the SD slots
Oct 08 00:40:20 <GAN800> May have incompatibility with some cards.
Oct 08 00:40:33 <lcuk> this shitty sd card is core host for liqbase :) its not shitty
Oct 08 00:40:41 <EruditeHermit> lol
Oct 08 00:40:45 <EruditeHermit> is it reversible?
Oct 08 00:40:57 <GAN800> Just flash another kernel.
Oct 08 00:41:10 <EruditeHermit> by clicking on the other package?
Oct 08 00:41:15 <GAN800> lcuk, well, it doesn't work with 48MHz soooooo
Oct 08 00:41:21 <lcuk> yes, jott installed it on my machien and blocked out the card - he then removed the 44khz patch somehow *hand waving* ;)
Oct 08 00:41:36 <lcuk> 48^
Oct 08 00:41:42 <GAN800> MHz
Oct 08 00:42:02 <lcuk> i dont care, it works for me, i still prefer default kernels
Oct 08 00:42:25 <lcuk> then i dont get used to features which arent there and that go missing after upgrade
Oct 08 00:42:32 * GAN800 shrugs
Oct 08 00:42:53 <EruditeHermit> unable to install xserver-xomap, incompatible application package
Oct 08 00:43:22 <GAN800> apt-get -f install
Oct 08 00:43:52 <lcuk> GAN800, :) hopefully soon that will be cured by the community distro though
Oct 08 00:43:53 <EruditeHermit> nothing is broken
Oct 08 00:44:11 <EruditeHermit> GAN800: does it require apt-get to install? I was using app man
Oct 08 00:44:38 <GAN800> Yes, that's why the packaging still needs work.
Oct 08 00:44:59 <EruditeHermit> ok
Oct 08 00:45:48 <EruditeHermit> GAN800: does the kernel package automatically flash the kernel?
Oct 08 00:45:56 <EruditeHermit> or do I have to manually flash with fiasco
Oct 08 00:46:10 <GAN800> It flashes itself
Oct 08 00:46:24 <GAN800> The goal is to make it as easy as possible. ;)
Oct 08 00:46:35 <EruditeHermit> ok
Oct 08 00:46:45 <EruditeHermit> so I just need those 2 things?
Oct 08 00:47:13 <EruditeHermit> if it was click and install it would be cool yes
Oct 08 00:54:24 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 08 00:54:30 <EruditeHermit> my tablet thinks it is charging
Oct 08 00:54:36 <EruditeHermit> even when it is not connected to the charger
Oct 08 01:03:50 <dystopia> EruditeHermit: did you feed your tablet alcoholic beverage?
Oct 08 01:03:59 <EruditeHermit> lol
Oct 08 01:04:00 <EruditeHermit> no
Oct 08 01:04:18 <dystopia> well, maybe show it who's in charge ;-)
Oct 08 01:08:15 <yacoob> This is interesting.
Oct 08 01:08:41 <yacoob> Tablet seemed to be dead. Plugged the charger, still dead. Popped the battery, replaced - ok, it's charging.
Oct 08 01:08:53 <yacoob> Closed the battery cover - boom, dead.
Oct 08 01:09:09 <yacoob> Something seems to be happening when I close the cover, it dies instantly.
Oct 08 01:11:48 <yacoob> anyone meet this failure mode before?
Oct 08 01:14:04 <yacoob> ...yes, I also find this silence very disturbing.
Oct 08 01:16:36 <derf> Sounds like a short of some kind. Hope it's still under warranty.
Oct 08 01:17:45 <yacoob> ebay 8)
Oct 08 01:18:11 <yacoob> but yeah, we'll see what will local nokia support say
Oct 08 01:18:51 <lcuk> yacoob, check around the case and where the cover sits and check for any obvious signs of error
Oct 08 01:18:53 <lcuk> is it an 810
Oct 08 01:19:24 <derf> One of my friends sold his old T20 on e-Bay, listing it as broken (with a similar kind of short), and some Russian still bought it for $300. He was like, "You know this is broken, right?" and the guy writes back, "Da. Will fix."
Oct 08 01:20:23 <yacoob> yeah, n810
Oct 08 01:21:35 <lcuk> the metal pins are easily bent out of position and can end up on the wrong side of the structure, try to find online picture of the inside of your battery case and confirm its correct
Oct 08 01:22:10 <lcuk> the case is very flimsy and easy to warp
Oct 08 01:24:22 <yacoob> got it working, but I'm *really* suspicious right now.
Oct 08 01:25:52 <dystopia> derf: :D
Oct 08 01:27:01 <yacoob> tried removing battery and assembling it back with full on-off cycle twice now, still works. I guess it will start spewing yellow frogs at me in the morning
Oct 08 01:27:34 <yacoob> (and, if I test the cover few more times, I'll break something, that's for sure... :)
Oct 08 01:28:19 <dystopia> derf: a T20 isn't that a bit much for 300$
Oct 08 01:28:37 <derf> dystopia: It was a number of years ago.
Oct 08 01:31:15 <dystopia> actually on ebay you can buy some broken apples, merge them, sell the spare parts, sell the fixed one, and you made a few hunderd bucks
Oct 08 01:32:35 <yacoob> aha, just killed it.
Oct 08 01:32:40 <dystopia> even some nice RISCs
Oct 08 01:32:41 <dystopia> G5
Oct 08 01:33:31 <dystopia> In nomine Patris et fillii et Spiritus Sancti.
Oct 08 01:33:57 <dystopia> One moment silence, please, our of respect for a dead N810...
Oct 08 01:42:16 <yacoob> ok, definitely a short
Oct 08 01:42:44 <yacoob> happens when I move the cover down (it's a bit loose)
Oct 08 01:43:09 <yacoob> I was hoping that's the battery being loose, but looks like it's not the case
Oct 08 01:49:35 <dystopia> so its still alive
Oct 08 01:49:57 <dystopia> when smoke signals start? :0)
Oct 08 01:50:42 <yacoob> thankfully the magic smoke is still in
Oct 08 01:51:01 <dystopia> :-)
Oct 08 01:52:35 <dystopia> what if you put isolation on the place of the covr, or push the battery?
Oct 08 01:52:58 <dystopia> or put isolation and then the cover
Oct 08 01:53:41 <yacoob> I'm looking at it right now, but tbh I don't see any places where it might actually shortcircuit
Oct 08 01:54:02 <yacoob> or rather - I believe it's in the middle part of the bottom, near the latching mechanism
Oct 08 01:55:12 <dystopia> hm what if you put the cover on, but that part not?:>
Oct 08 01:55:39 <yacoob> expn :)
Oct 08 02:00:32 <dystopia> nn
Oct 08 02:00:43 <dystopia> (good luck, yacoob)
Oct 08 02:04:04 <timeless> anyone seen andre recently?
Oct 08 02:05:01 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, this morning.
Oct 08 02:05:20 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: when I set lifeguard reset on, I still have a reboot loop
Oct 08 02:05:39 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: I resolved all dependencies through ssh
Oct 08 02:06:08 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Oct 08 02:06:23 <GeneralAntilles> Was it booting to a desktop or booting to a white screen?
Oct 08 02:06:33 <EruditeHermit> and the tablet works for a while when I disable lifeguard reset but it randomly resets itself
Oct 08 02:06:45 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: it booted to the nokia white screen
Oct 08 02:06:59 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: it now boots fine when I disable lifeguard reset
Oct 08 02:07:07 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: just that it randomly resets
Oct 08 02:07:15 <EruditeHermit> after varying times
Oct 08 02:07:23 <GeneralAntilles> One of the important processes lifeguard is monitoring isn't starting properly.
Oct 08 02:07:24 <EruditeHermit> 4mins 10mins
Oct 08 02:08:33 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: how do I find out which one?
Oct 08 02:09:48 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe installing syslogd
Oct 08 02:09:55 <GeneralAntilles> Did you try an apt-get -f install?
Oct 08 02:09:59 <EruditeHermit> yes
Oct 08 02:10:05 <EruditeHermit> apt-get -f install is all resolved
Oct 08 02:12:01 <EruditeHermit> there is no syslogd package
Oct 08 02:24:32 <yacoob> hm, might have fixed it.
Oct 08 02:26:25 <yacoob> there are three 'hooks'on the cover - the middle one contacts in two places, near the lock and slightly above. This other place is recessed, so there's a small latch that should contact it
Oct 08 02:26:44 <yacoob> I've bent it slightly, to make sure it does contact.
Oct 08 02:27:12 <yacoob> boots up, survives closing the cover, keyboard slides, whatnot
Oct 08 02:27:16 <yacoob> (or so it seems)
Oct 08 02:27:36 <yacoob> if that's really that small contact, it'd be trivally patchable
Oct 08 02:28:28 <yacoob> my question is, what does it tries to detect (closing the cover? for what?) and why it was dying when this contact was latching later than the rest
Oct 08 02:29:42 <yacoob> (from the looks of it, tablet was dying when I pressed the cover down in the area of that small latch, so my guess is that it wasn't contacting in first place, and I made it connect while sliding the keyboard or adjusting the cover)
Oct 08 02:35:11 <GeneralAntilles> Did the server changeover happen?
Oct 08 02:35:20 <GeneralAntilles> I'm getting 503 on some pages and blistering fast on others.
Oct 08 02:50:46 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: which package or system is related to power management/battery charging
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