**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 08 02:59:57 2008
Oct 08 03:01:28 <GAN800> bme/mce/dsme
Oct 08 03:05:02 <andre____> timeless, andre is around, but will go to sleep very soon
Oct 08 03:07:53 <andre____> EruditeHermit, dsme/mce
Oct 08 03:09:05 <EruditeHermit> hmm
Oct 08 03:09:11 <EruditeHermit> thanks andre__, GAN800
Oct 08 03:19:50 <EruditeHermit> ok
Oct 08 03:20:07 <EruditeHermit> I think reinstalling all those packages stopped the constant resetting with lifeguard on
Oct 08 05:11:47 <mgedmin> waah, the screen of my n810 died :(
Oct 08 05:17:43 <bef0rd> :(
Oct 08 05:17:47 <bef0rd> what happened?
Oct 08 05:20:32 <EruditeHermit> bef0rd: btw my tablet is working again, the problem was the cable
Oct 08 05:20:49 <EruditeHermit> bef0rd: thanks for your help the other day
Oct 08 05:21:08 <bef0rd> cool, no problem EruditeHermit
Oct 08 05:21:51 <mgedmin> the lcd appears to be cracked, under the topmost plastic layer (which is fine)
Oct 08 05:22:06 <mgedmin> no idea how it happened, it was in my shirt pocket at the time
Oct 08 05:22:48 <mgedmin> without the protective leather case
Oct 08 05:24:25 <EruditeHermit> mgedmin: can you get a replacement from nokia?
Oct 08 05:24:31 <mgedmin> don't know
Oct 08 05:24:36 <EruditeHermit> mgedmin: call their customer support
Oct 08 05:24:36 <mgedmin> I'm assuming the worst, of course
Oct 08 05:24:52 * mgedmin *hates* phone calls
Oct 08 05:25:31 <EruditeHermit> they have an online form somewhere too
Oct 08 05:25:38 <mgedmin> I'm currently in the US, but I'm going home to Lithuania in ~10 days
Oct 08 05:25:55 <mgedmin> the device was originally bought in the US
Oct 08 05:29:14 <EruditeHermit> mgedmin: do you have relatives or someone you know in the US?
Oct 08 05:29:23 <mgedmin> someone I know, yes
Oct 08 05:29:34 <EruditeHermit> mgedmin: I would just have it sent to them and have them mail a repair/replacement part to you
Oct 08 05:38:34 * mgedmin orders a new tablet from amazon, just in case
Oct 08 05:39:44 <fluentis> moin @all
Oct 08 05:53:23 <solmumaha> morning
Oct 08 06:33:20 <thux> Stskeeps: what you think is best nit-env for deblet? basic-gnome keyboard unlock keyring window problems
Oct 08 06:34:04 <johnx> lxde is nice
Oct 08 06:34:09 <StsN800> thux, im not sure yet
Oct 08 06:34:23 <StsN800> johnx, saw my hildlet post?
Oct 08 06:34:32 * johnx looks
Oct 08 06:34:50 <StsN800> under hack challenges
Oct 08 06:36:29 <thopiekar> hi
Oct 08 06:37:25 <StsN800> thux, i think adding yourself to sudoers might help for n800 users
Oct 08 06:38:11 <qwerty12> StsN800, There's a gconf option where gksu attempts not to be anal retentive by taking over the entire screen
Oct 08 06:38:25 <StsN800> or that
Oct 08 06:39:58 <thux> ok i try
Oct 08 06:42:21 <moontiger> whats up with maemo.org
Oct 08 06:42:22 <moontiger> ??
Oct 08 06:44:08 <StsN800> hamster in wheel died
Oct 08 06:44:39 <qwerty12> I suspect StsN800 murdered it. With a bus.
Oct 08 06:44:53 <moontiger> ahhhhh the n770 getting a flash update is it?
Oct 08 06:47:26 <solmumaha> well at least the error message comes up fast
Oct 08 06:52:32 <moontiger> oh well bedtime for me then :)
Oct 08 06:54:12 <GAN800> Uknown at the moment.
Oct 08 07:25:21 <RST38h> good mourning, gentlemen
Oct 08 07:25:32 <RST38h> anything new and exciting?
Oct 08 07:53:17 <notcoolbuthot> .
Oct 08 07:54:18 <Stskeeps> ..
Oct 08 07:56:33 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 08 07:59:35 <RST38h> Mourning, jaffa
Oct 08 08:00:26 * Stskeeps looks at the pocket loox 720 pda looking lonely at his office and ponders how hildon would work on it
Oct 08 08:01:24 <RST38h> would work less - it is XScale based afaik
Oct 08 08:01:52 <Stskeeps> mm, that good or bad? i guess it would work cos it's arm still?
Oct 08 08:02:46 <RST38h> yep
Oct 08 08:02:54 <Stskeeps> wb johnx
Oct 08 08:03:09 <RST38h> But the CPU isn't as good as OMAP in terms of power efficiency and (as johnx will probably confirm) performance
Oct 08 08:03:12 <johnx> thanks. my computer's been crashy lately
Oct 08 08:03:16 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Oct 08 08:03:21 <johnx> RST38h, which one?
Oct 08 08:03:37 <Stskeeps> johnx: got a pocket loox 720 with xscale 400mhz or something laying about in my office doing nothing
Oct 08 08:03:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 08:03:42 <RST38h> johnx: Pocket Boobs 720
Oct 08 08:04:26 <johnx> yeah, the armv5 -> armv6 must have been a huge change
Oct 08 08:07:49 <baddu> any DSP guys around?
Oct 08 08:08:29 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 08 08:08:35 <Jaffa> Oh, I did that.
Oct 08 08:08:54 * Stskeeps passes Jaffa the coffee
Oct 08 08:11:41 * thopiekar loves Pulseaudio^^
Oct 08 08:13:08 <Stskeeps> mmcmobile cards are only way to get 2gb storage on 770s?
Oct 08 08:20:08 <RST38h> Your normal non-HC SD card will hold up to 2GB
Oct 08 08:20:45 <Stskeeps> mm
Oct 08 08:21:01 * Stskeeps is trying to find the right memory card for a friend with a 770 so
Oct 08 08:21:22 <RST38h> avoid mmcs, try finding a 2GB SD
Oct 08 08:21:38 <Stskeeps> the 770 actually takes SD or?
Oct 08 08:21:43 <Stskeeps> (with optional flash of kernel)
Oct 08 08:22:09 <johnx> Stskeeps, there's a way to wedge them in but it requires modification of the card or the 770
Oct 08 08:22:31 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 08 08:22:39 <Stskeeps> i'd like to avoid that :P
Oct 08 08:25:52 <johnx> there should be rs-mmc cards as big as 2GB
Oct 08 08:26:09 <Stskeeps> yeah, though they're difficult to find
Oct 08 08:26:16 <RST38h> Oh, 770 takes *RS-MMC*
Oct 08 08:26:21 <RST38h> Sad.
Oct 08 08:27:07 <johnx> I searched for 2GB rs-mmc and found quite a few
Oct 08 08:27:12 <johnx> the prices are lame though
Oct 08 08:29:17 <lishevita> good morning
Oct 08 08:29:55 <hrw> morning
Oct 08 09:01:42 <xorAxAx> hmm, does the n810 need arm6 or arm7
Oct 08 09:01:47 <xorAxAx> (scratchbox toolchain)
Oct 08 09:01:55 <johnx> armv6
Oct 08 09:03:32 <xorAxAx> thanks
Oct 08 09:04:28 <johnx> but note that armv7 and arm7 are actually different things
Oct 08 09:04:32 <xorAxAx> ah
Oct 08 09:04:37 <xorAxAx> what is arm7?
Oct 08 09:04:47 <johnx> an older ARM
Oct 08 09:04:48 <xorAxAx> which one of them do i need? :-P
Oct 08 09:04:54 <johnx> what exactly is it asking?
Oct 08 09:05:00 <xorAxAx> well
Oct 08 09:05:09 <xorAxAx> i can choose to install scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm6 and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7
Oct 08 09:05:16 <xorAxAx> (debian package)
Oct 08 09:05:28 <GeneralAntilles> arm6
Oct 08 09:05:31 <xorAxAx> ok
Oct 08 09:05:38 <GeneralAntilles> It should actually read "armv6"
Oct 08 09:05:54 <GeneralAntilles> arm7 would be for OMAP3
Oct 08 09:05:56 <Stskeeps> johnx: did you ever have luck making a debian armel scratchbox (contrary to a maemo scratchbox)
Oct 08 09:06:03 <johnx> I figured that was the case, but I didn't want to lead him astray
Oct 08 09:06:21 <johnx> Stskeeps, never. I gave up essentially.
Oct 08 09:06:22 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, yes, I know _you_ know. ;)
Oct 08 09:06:39 <RST38h> armv* and arm* are two different things
Oct 08 09:06:46 <RST38h> armv* is an architecture, arm* is a basic part name
Oct 08 09:06:48 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah, i have a armel qemu myself building stuff :P
Oct 08 09:07:06 <johnx> Stskeeps, I should try sb2 again, actually
Oct 08 09:07:21 <mikkov_> Downloads have gone up for almost all applications. Failed SSUs at play ;)
Oct 08 09:07:28 <johnx> but yeah, I'm also working on getting qemu working on "my" build box (really my friend's spare server)
Oct 08 09:08:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ works every time for me.. and when apt-get dist-upgrade, copy out /boot/initrd* and vmlinuz and use those too
Oct 08 09:08:52 <johnx> Stskeeps, yeah, that's what I'm using...but my friend's box is gentoo and I'm having trouble building gcc3 so I can build qemu, so I can give it a try on his machine
Oct 08 09:08:56 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 08 09:09:03 * johnx stabs gentoo
Oct 08 09:09:51 <Stskeeps> johnx: i was kinda shocked how neat mb-keyboard integrated into hildon when running.. has to be able to make some funny tricks based on that
Oct 08 09:09:59 <Stskeeps> made normal x apps a lot more usable
Oct 08 09:10:12 <RST38h> moo, zap
Oct 08 09:10:26 <RST38h> johnx: install ubuntu
Oct 08 09:10:28 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Well, it is just the weekly stats update ;)
Oct 08 09:10:29 <johnx> Stskeeps, well hildon is just matchbox+status bar
Oct 08 09:10:34 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Oct 08 09:10:46 <Stskeeps> what's the real DPI of the screen anyhow?
Oct 08 09:10:47 <johnx> RST38h, that could be somewhat problematic on technical and social levels...
Oct 08 09:10:50 <Stskeeps> since the font sizes are .. insane
Oct 08 09:10:54 <johnx> 225 dpi
Oct 08 09:10:59 <Stskeeps> k
Oct 08 09:11:03 <RST38h> johnx: you mean, Japanese *care*?
Oct 08 09:11:25 <johnx> RST38h, the build box is in Canada. that's the technical issue
Oct 08 09:11:27 <mikkov_> X-Fade: but look at the graphs
Oct 08 09:11:42 * RST38h knows he doesn't, as long as damn OS does not require constant tinkering
Oct 08 09:11:54 <RST38h> johnx: oh
Oct 08 09:12:04 <mikkov_> download count per week has gone slightly up
Oct 08 09:12:20 <RST38h> download counts are bogus
Oct 08 09:12:38 <RST38h> depend on when somebody at the mothership manually imports repo download data
Oct 08 09:12:45 <X-Fade> RST38h: These ones aren't. I get the actual stats from the caching network.
Oct 08 09:13:06 <RST38h> X-Fade; Ah! You mean this now works for everybody at Garage? =)
Oct 08 09:13:24 <johnx> Stskeeps, if you give the real dpi to Xomap things start making more sense
Oct 08 09:13:26 <X-Fade> RST38h: No, you should have your stuff in Extras ;)
Oct 08 09:13:39 * RST38h does
Oct 08 09:13:42 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, can you fix this: http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ ?
Oct 08 09:13:47 <RST38h> so theoretically it should work
Oct 08 09:13:52 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well, then your stats should be available :)
Oct 08 09:14:41 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: What needs fixing?
Oct 08 09:14:55 <RST38h> images do not show up
Oct 08 09:14:57 <RST38h> neither of two logos
Oct 08 09:15:13 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787 add the SVG and a reasonably sized PNG there.
Oct 08 09:15:15 <X-Fade> Hmm I see them.
Oct 08 09:15:22 <Stskeeps> johnx: apt-get install locales, install en_GB UTF-8 is the trick to get proper titles on things btw
Oct 08 09:15:39 <GeneralAntilles> We should also add the favicon and some other variants, but those need to be gathered.
Oct 08 09:15:44 <RST38h> Weird: they show up in FireFox but not IE
Oct 08 09:15:48 <johnx> Stskeeps, sounds familiar. good to know
Oct 08 09:15:54 <RST38h> I may have proxies misconfigured...
Oct 08 09:16:37 <X-Fade> RST38h: It doesn't work for me in IE too.
Oct 08 09:16:43 <X-Fade> Very weird.
Oct 08 09:17:24 <RST38h> BTW, in spite of hardware upgrade, maemo.org is still dead slow whenever a db operation is involved
Oct 08 09:17:41 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: It links to https.
Oct 08 09:17:50 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Don't do that ;)
Oct 08 09:17:59 <RST38h> Has anyone considered looking at incoming SQL quesrioes and how db executes them instead of simply adding more power?
Oct 08 09:17:59 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, I didn't do anything.
Oct 08 09:18:08 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Who did that page?
Oct 08 09:18:12 <Stskeeps> johnx: know of other open source themes btw? i'm kinda wondering what licenses/deriatives/dependancies some of the tablet themes people do have
Oct 08 09:18:16 <GeneralAntilles> That's all Peter's fault. I'm just playing fire fighter (as usual :P). ;)
Oct 08 09:18:32 <johnx> Stskeeps, I'm not sure anyone knows O_o
Oct 08 09:18:50 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: You are admin. Fix it :D
Oct 08 09:19:09 <Stskeeps> johnx: LCARS should be first priority.. ;>
Oct 08 09:19:13 <GeneralAntilles> If Bugzilla would just accept this damn png. . . .
Oct 08 09:19:55 <X-Fade> RST38h: Mysql with 250 connections. You know what happens ;)
Oct 08 09:19:58 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, put the last two attachments from http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3787 wherever images should go on the server.
Oct 08 09:20:15 <RST38h> XFade: Urgh
Oct 08 09:20:20 <X-Fade> RST38h: A reasonable amount of cpus is needed for that.
Oct 08 09:20:30 <X-Fade> RST38h: And at the moment, it isn't reasonable.
Oct 08 09:20:43 <RST38h> Still, I would at least look at the queries and how MySQL executes them
Oct 08 09:21:02 <RST38h> Because otherwise, you may be fighting an uphill battle
Oct 08 09:21:59 * GeneralAntilles sighs.
Oct 08 09:22:05 <X-Fade> RST38h: Yes, true. But they don't seem to be that complex.
Oct 08 09:22:14 * GeneralAntilles wishes dneary had gathered all this up around the time of the end of the logo contest. :P
Oct 08 09:22:23 <RST38h> XFade: They don't have to be, that is the "beauty" of RDBMS
Oct 08 09:22:47 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well, I wouldn't call mysql that advanced ;)
Oct 08 09:22:49 <RST38h> XFade: A simple join, when executed without proper caution, will bring your RDBMS down
Oct 08 09:23:20 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: ?
Oct 08 09:23:28 <RST38h> MySQL is relatively good nowadays, but do not trust it to optimize stuff for you beyond simple query rewrites
Oct 08 09:23:30 <dneary> gathered all what?
Oct 08 09:23:45 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, hunting down logo stuff for http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/
Oct 08 09:24:09 <GeneralAntilles> Do we have an svg of the favicon?
Oct 08 09:24:18 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: I have a bunch of stuff on trademark policies
Oct 08 09:24:22 <RST38h> So, I would log all the queries + information on how MySQL executes it (something similar to EXPLAIN operator in Postgress)
Oct 08 09:24:27 <dneary> But I had understood it was a Nokia thing
Oct 08 09:24:37 <dneary> I'm involved in that discussion
Oct 08 09:24:46 <RST38h> + timing data of course, to see just what exactly is worth optimizing
Oct 08 09:25:44 <X-Fade> RST38h: Sure, but I'd like to see some modern power first. I can do micro optimizations, but the base should be ok.
Oct 08 09:26:06 <RST38h> XFade: Oh, I would not raise it if it were a micro optimization
Oct 08 09:26:42 <RST38h> XFade: What I am talking about is stuff like join of unindexed values - no amount of extra hardware will help you fix these
Oct 08 09:27:01 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, I just want the various logo files, not any policy stuff.
Oct 08 09:27:13 <X-Fade> RST38h: Sure, but that is pretty much covered already. This is being used in quite a few production environments.
Oct 08 09:27:24 <RST38h> mm...ok
Oct 08 09:27:34 <dneary> ah
Oct 08 09:27:41 <dneary> I got all that stuff piecemeal
Oct 08 09:27:59 <X-Fade> RST38h: Same stuff: http://www.tkk.fi/en/index.html
Oct 08 09:28:00 <RST38h> The way it (Midgard) works makes it kinda hard to believe that this thing is used in production, but if you say so...
Oct 08 09:28:06 <X-Fade> RST38h: And they are fast.
Oct 08 09:28:10 <dneary> and with some of the revisions I'm still not sure if I have the proper versions (there was the small R version, the big R version, etc)
Oct 08 09:28:25 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, can I just attach images through the Asgard interface for that page?
Oct 08 09:28:29 <RST38h> XFade: TKK does not appear to have that much of dynamic data
Oct 08 09:28:46 <X-Fade> RST38h: Try a static page on maemo.org ;)
Oct 08 09:28:52 <RST38h> Most of its pages can be stored statically
Oct 08 09:29:06 <RST38h> XFade: Yes, but maemo.org has got a shitload of dynamic stuff now =)
Oct 08 09:29:23 <RST38h> Static stuff at maemo.org is of no concern
Oct 08 09:29:26 <X-Fade> RST38h: Sure, but it has object caches for that.
Oct 08 09:29:38 <crashanddie> anyone had hands on with the Nokia 5800 ?
Oct 08 09:30:02 <RST38h> XFade: I kinda doubt they work on maemo.org for typical usage cases (i.e. browsing dynamically created pages why logged in)
Oct 08 09:30:14 <Robot101> X-Fade: you pinged me yesterday?
Oct 08 09:30:17 <RST38h> crash: Still no demo samples at local Nokia stor
Oct 08 09:30:30 <RST38h> s/why/when/
Oct 08 09:30:57 <X-Fade> Robot101: Yes, I wanted to know who was running the Collabora repository ;)
Oct 08 09:31:18 * RST38h would also like to know that
Oct 08 09:31:35 <RST38h> To figure out what the status of Collabora Pidgin packages is
Oct 08 09:32:06 <Robot101> one of jonnylamb, wjt or smcv on #telepathy
Oct 08 09:32:08 <X-Fade> Robot101: And wanted to ask if those packages could be moved to Extras.
Oct 08 09:32:25 <Robot101> I think one of the Nokians was already doing that
Oct 08 09:32:49 <crashanddie> the interface seems a bit sluggish
Oct 08 09:32:51 <X-Fade> Robot101: And after that, if the repository could be closed ofcourse.
Oct 08 09:35:09 * GeneralAntilles kills self.
Oct 08 09:36:40 * deadlyllama wonders if anyone here knows how the big black "Charging" screen on the 770 works
Oct 08 09:37:04 <deadlyllama> and more importantly, how to turn it off (want my 770 to boot normally when I apply power to the charging port)
Oct 08 09:39:32 <johnx> if it's the same as the n8x0 it starts an x server and displays that animation
Oct 08 09:40:10 <johnx> I don't know what's reponsible for choosing what it does at boot though
Oct 08 09:40:46 <deadlyllama> initfs/linuxrc decides if it will display the splash screen based on /proc/bootreason (which can have the value "charger") plus if it was booted in "ACTDEAD" mode
Oct 08 09:41:19 <deadlyllama> but then the X session comes up and the charging screen appears and I can't work out how to make networking come up then so it's a bit difficult to ssh in and poke around and see what's happening :-(
Oct 08 09:43:27 <deadlyllama> and I see no obviously named binaries that look obviously like a "display charging screen" app
Oct 08 09:49:13 <deadlyllama> if there was some way to hack something to change /proc/bootreason that would probably also do the trick...
Oct 08 09:49:24 <RST38h> crash: 5800 interface?
Oct 08 09:49:53 <xorAxAx> when i am using the debian etch devkit, apt-get update doesnt find the package lists ... should i choose lenny?
Oct 08 09:51:42 <GeneralAntilles> Can anybody make sense of the sidebar on this page? http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/
Oct 08 09:51:45 <GeneralAntilles> I'm entirely at a lot.
Oct 08 09:51:48 <GeneralAntilles> s/lot/loss/
Oct 08 09:51:49 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: I'm entirely at a loss.
Oct 08 09:52:38 <RST38h> GAN: What is the problem?
Oct 08 09:53:00 <RST38h> It is a tree, the active item is at the second level
Oct 08 09:53:09 <RST38h> The whole path in the tree is highlighted
Oct 08 09:53:15 <xorAxAx> hmm, and when selecting lenny, any package installation will upgrade your libc
Oct 08 09:53:30 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, try clicking the "active" item.
Oct 08 09:53:41 <RST38h> xor: because just about any package compiled from C code will depend on a particular libc
Oct 08 09:53:46 <xorAxAx> RST38h: yes
Oct 08 09:53:50 <xorAxAx> sure
Oct 08 09:53:53 <RST38h> GAN: hehe
Oct 08 09:53:59 <xorAxAx> but i wonder what the sanest choice of a devkit is
Oct 08 09:55:25 <RST38h> GAN: You know what it may be? There may be an extra menu item Logos which does not show up for some reason. Lemme check the source code
Oct 08 09:55:50 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, the hierarchy in the administrative interface makes sense.
Oct 08 09:55:57 <GeneralAntilles> But I don't have a clue how to use Asgard.
Oct 08 09:56:18 <RST38h> The HTML code looks pretty sane, so it has to be a problem in the Midgard
Oct 08 09:57:01 <GeneralAntilles> "<p>\n</p>" classy
Oct 08 09:58:13 <xorAxAx> RST38h: i just need python2.5 in my arm6 scracthbox
Oct 08 09:58:35 <RST38h> xor: You do not need scratchbox for python
Oct 08 10:01:12 <RST38h> xor: Just write python stuff wherever you want, scp it to the tablet, and run it there.
Oct 08 10:03:08 <xorAxAx> RST38h: yeah, probably. how do i get a working sources.list? the debian/maemo3 devkits give me a sources.list that is 404
Oct 08 10:03:41 <xorAxAx> (its using armel/sarge which doesnt seem to work)
Oct 08 10:05:58 <RST38h> I do not know but what you are saying indicates that your SDK installation is messedup
Oct 08 10:14:00 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, ping.
Oct 08 11:49:31 <RST38h> moo, johnx
Oct 08 11:50:05 <johnx> m00f
Oct 08 11:50:05 <lcuk> :D i saw cows playin king of the hill last night
Oct 08 11:50:24 <johnx> ~lart johnx's video card
Oct 08 11:50:25 * infobot offers johnx's video card some herring
Oct 08 11:51:02 <lcuk> johnx, whats up with your vid card
Oct 08 11:51:20 <johnx> it's been overheating
Oct 08 11:51:25 <johnx> and crashing my computer
Oct 08 11:51:32 <johnx> just like a second ago
Oct 08 11:51:48 <lcuk> oooer, have you checked it for dust bunnies n stuff
Oct 08 11:51:51 <lcuk> or just winging it
Oct 08 11:52:30 <johnx> as long as I don't do anything graphically intensive it's fine
Oct 08 11:52:41 <johnx> but yeah, the problem is it's one of those fanless ones
Oct 08 11:52:48 <johnx> worked fine for a year but now it's screwing up
Oct 08 11:52:50 <johnx> back in a sec
Oct 08 11:53:22 <RST38h> lcuk: were there bovine casualties?
Oct 08 11:53:42 <RST38h> johnx: It seems to be a reason enough to ask for a new one
Oct 08 11:53:52 <RST38h> or buy a new one if it is in home computer
Oct 08 11:54:47 <johnx> yeah, I'd have to buy a new one. it's out of warranty (and out of the country I bought it in anyways...)
Oct 08 11:55:05 <johnx> or I could buy a new, cheap fan to blow on it and try and get another 6 months of use out of it
Oct 08 11:55:21 * Stskeeps should really learn how to solder..
Oct 08 11:56:04 <lcuk> RST38h, there werent any casualties that i saw - but there was a small grassy knoll about 15foot high and about 6 cows jossling up to get onto the top - people all around were laughin :D we missed the traffic lights changing cos of it :$
Oct 08 12:00:04 * RST38h wonders what they found there. Was that some holy ground? Or an altar of some bovine god?
Oct 08 12:00:32 <RST38h> Or maybe just a patch of magic grass they use to get high?>
Oct 08 12:00:37 <lcuk> i dunno, but its the same with anything, once one starts the rest dont wanna miss out
Oct 08 12:01:00 <RST38h> just like stock brokers, ain't they?
Oct 08 12:01:18 <lcuk> yer, except most stock brokers dont have udders
Oct 08 12:01:47 <RST38h> too bad for them, last opportunity for employment is slipping away =)
Oct 08 12:01:53 <crashanddie> they will have udders in a few days
Oct 08 12:01:59 <crashanddie> being milked as much as they are now
Oct 08 12:36:42 <CptLaptop> .
Oct 08 13:45:59 <mrgreaper> hi i need a bit of help with deblet and found this irc channel on there forum can anyone lend a hand please?
Oct 08 13:46:50 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: indeed, what's up?
Oct 08 13:47:26 <mrgreaper> ah cool, well i got it installed all perfectly fine (for a linux newb like me thats no mean feat lol) but i cant see how to teather it to my mobile
Oct 08 13:48:11 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: ah, that's a bit of a complicated issue :P usually it is a bit easier on linux but there's one of the programs people usually use that doesn't work for some reason.
Oct 08 13:48:22 <mrgreaper> at home the wifi works fine but for work i need to teather it via bluetooth to use my mobile phone
Oct 08 13:48:38 <Stskeeps> have you managed to make it pair yet or?
Oct 08 13:48:49 <mrgreaper> i have no idea how lol
Oct 08 13:49:04 <mrgreaper> the old n800 os did it all automaticly
Oct 08 13:49:16 <Stskeeps> yeah, - we're still a work in progress :)
Oct 08 13:49:47 <mrgreaper> so no bluetooth mobile support?
Oct 08 13:50:15 <Stskeeps> well, i discovered this but it's not really newbie friendly, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221269&postcount=16
Oct 08 13:50:24 <Stskeeps> but you can install this package.. sec
Oct 08 13:52:06 <smyows> i have pidgin for msn, but is very slowly... have another msn (more faster) for os2008?
Oct 08 13:52:33 <aquatix> http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/
Oct 08 13:52:38 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: apt-get install bluez-gnome
Oct 08 13:52:41 <aquatix> integrates into the default IM thing
Oct 08 13:53:14 <mrgreaper> i cant seem to find the software instalation browser
Oct 08 13:53:23 <aquatix> smyows: hm, i installed it slightly differently than on that page though
Oct 08 13:53:24 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: but, just to put things in perspective, we've been working on this since june :
Oct 08 13:53:39 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: so nothing is polished.. and we're hoping to make things a little more shiny and easier to work with
Oct 08 13:53:44 <thux> tried keblet and choosed kdm didn't do autologin, and no keyboard on login window...
Oct 08 13:53:54 <Stskeeps> thux: apt-get install tablet-kdm-autologin
Oct 08 13:54:03 <thux> ah
Oct 08 13:54:17 <mrgreaper> ah dont get me wrong i like the look of it (though bluetooth teathering on a mobile tablet should be an essentiallol)
Oct 08 13:54:20 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: open a x terminal and su with your root password, and apt-get insatll bluez-gnome
Oct 08 13:54:27 <Stskeeps>  install, that is
Oct 08 13:55:01 <mrgreaper> ok one sec
Oct 08 13:55:03 <johnx> mrgreaper, many of the people working on and using deblet tend to just use the command line...
Oct 08 13:55:05 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: and yeah, that's one reason why i don't use deblet constantly myself yet :P
Oct 08 13:56:49 <Stskeeps> thux, mrgreaper: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23371&page=6 <- (look at screenshots), anything you might be interested in?
Oct 08 13:58:06 <mrgreaper> looks more familier :)
Oct 08 13:58:30 <mrgreaper> a smaller onscreen keyboard would be nice :)
Oct 08 13:58:43 <mrgreaper> (i use a n800)
Oct 08 13:58:50 <Stskeeps> yeah, well, that one was just cos hildon-input-method isn't that friendly towards non-hildon apps
Oct 08 13:59:02 * Stskeeps wonders how difficult it would be to make hildon-input-method go for active window instead..
Oct 08 13:59:23 <L0cutus> http://usb.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00666
Oct 08 13:59:28 <L0cutus> really small ;-)
Oct 08 13:59:39 <L0cutus> but pretty usable with some training
Oct 08 13:59:41 <mrgreaper> ok the x-terminal is done but i see no new apps?
Oct 08 14:00:38 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: write bluetooth-applet
Oct 08 14:00:41 <mrgreaper> l0cutus i get awway with my n800 at work as it looks like a phone :) add a keyboard and when i get supervisor visit they may get suss nice though
Oct 08 14:00:42 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: write bluetooth-applet &
Oct 08 14:01:54 <mrgreaper> i get an error ..
Oct 08 14:02:03 <L0cutus> hehehe
Oct 08 14:02:16 <mrgreaper> cant get session bus: did not recieve reply
Oct 08 14:02:42 <mrgreaper> restart the tablet ? or is that a wndows nly fix lol
Oct 08 14:03:26 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: /etc/init.d/bluetooth start and try again
Oct 08 14:03:30 <Stskeeps> wel
Oct 08 14:03:38 <mrgreaper> rebooting lol
Oct 08 14:03:41 <Stskeeps> do that and "exit", and the bluetooth-applet &
Oct 08 14:03:41 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 14:03:52 <thux> Stskeeps: tablet-kdm-autologin is installed
Oct 08 14:04:43 <thux> but still doesn't do autologin
Oct 08 14:04:43 <Stskeeps> thux: hm, and that doesnt work?
Oct 08 14:05:00 <mrgreaper> one other feedback while its booting the keyboard really needs a click or little noise when you tap a go ...just feels wierd with out it lol
Oct 08 14:05:02 <Stskeeps> admittedly i haven't tested keblet after the whole reconfiguration
Oct 08 14:05:15 <thux> ok
Oct 08 14:05:24 <Stskeeps> thux: is it kde3 or kde4?
Oct 08 14:06:15 <Stskeeps> thux: feel free to track down why it doesn't work
Oct 08 14:07:33 <Stskeeps> thux: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/main/tablet-kdm-autologin is source of package
Oct 08 14:08:48 <X-Fade> lcuk: Invitation sent...
Oct 08 14:09:13 <mrgreaper> bluetooth manager has loaded up
Oct 08 14:09:34 <mrgreaper> tell me i dont have to do that every tie lol
Oct 08 14:09:47 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: nah, just once, afaik :P
Oct 08 14:10:31 <mrgreaper> clicking bluetiith manager seems to do nawt though
Oct 08 14:11:01 <mrgreaper> having a bad keyboard day lol
Oct 08 14:11:27 <mrgreaper> found how to get preferences up
Oct 08 14:11:41 <Stskeeps> hehe.. it's not easy sadly
Oct 08 14:11:53 <Stskeeps> you start to appreciate all the work nokia has done for os2008 at times
Oct 08 14:13:35 <crashanddie> iGo stopped making keyboards?
Oct 08 14:13:52 * Stskeeps tries to compile advanced backlight for deblet.
Oct 08 14:14:19 <crashanddie> mrgreaper, naught
Oct 08 14:14:42 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, I can't fathom why.
Oct 08 14:14:49 <mrgreaper> ok i can connect to th n800 from my phone but i dont see how to connect the n800 to the internet thrugh the phone?
Oct 08 14:14:58 <mrgreaper> crashanddie ?
Oct 08 14:15:01 <GeneralAntilles> They bought ThinkOutside and killed the keyboards a year later.
Oct 08 14:15:13 <crashanddie> mrgreaper, "seems to do nawt"
Oct 08 14:15:17 <crashanddie> it's naught, or nought
Oct 08 14:15:17 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: did you hold down the cursor on the icon?
Oct 08 14:15:28 <mrgreaper> ah im dyslexic :)
Oct 08 14:15:38 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, And absolutely no reference on the website or nothing, quite frustrating, really
Oct 08 14:15:58 <mrgreaper> i have preferences about and sendfile
Oct 08 14:16:13 <mrgreaper> preferences i set it to visable found it and paired
Oct 08 14:16:26 <mrgreaper> but nothing referencing dun
Oct 08 14:16:28 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, and it would seem, from Google, that the only product they were known for was the keyboard...
Oct 08 14:16:47 <mrgreaper> my phone is now in bonded devices though
Oct 08 14:16:52 <crashanddie> mrgreaper, dyslexic != lazy
Oct 08 14:16:58 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, yeah, bizarre.
Oct 08 14:17:07 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: try my instructions in the post earlier then
Oct 08 14:17:22 <mrgreaper> nope crashand die dyslexic means learning disabled :)
Oct 08 14:18:05 <mrgreaper> which one? the scary forum link you posted?
Oct 08 14:18:10 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 08 14:18:10 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 14:18:17 <mrgreaper> *gulp*
Oct 08 14:18:27 <Stskeeps> i'm not going to lie to you, this isn't the easiest thing in the world
Oct 08 14:18:27 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 14:19:16 <mrgreaper> really ought to put in knownissues "hard to connect to the internet through a phone" lol
Oct 08 14:19:18 <RST38h> Hurrah! New Pidgin is in!
Oct 08 14:19:39 <mrgreaper> i think tonight i will use joikuspot
Oct 08 14:20:31 <crashanddie> mrgreaper, my definition is closer to the brain having problems with processing graphic symbols, but whatever bloats your goat I guess
Oct 08 14:20:40 <mrgreaper> one last question before i go to have quite sob, where is the software installer ? do i have to call it up from the terminal
Oct 08 14:20:53 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: you may be able to install synaptic or alike
Oct 08 14:21:13 <mrgreaper> ah i think my ubuntu server uses that
Oct 08 14:21:16 <Stskeeps> apt-get is the basic software installer
Oct 08 14:21:16 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 14:21:24 <mrgreaper> but it was pre insalled
Oct 08 14:21:42 <mrgreaper> lol so how do i browse with apt-get?
Oct 08 14:21:55 <johnx> try aptitude for browsing
Oct 08 14:21:55 <crashanddie> mrgreaper, apt-cache search [PKGNAME]
Oct 08 14:22:01 <Stskeeps> http://packages.debian.org/testing/ is good as well
Oct 08 14:22:11 <Stskeeps> we dont have one for deblet itself just yet, but yeah, aptitude
Oct 08 14:22:50 <mrgreaper> ummmm ok.... how do i install synaptic...im guessing its not as ssimple as apt-get install synaptic
Oct 08 14:22:56 <Stskeeps> sure it is
Oct 08 14:22:56 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 14:23:00 <Stskeeps> why wouldn't it be? :P
Oct 08 14:23:09 <mrgreaper> O_o ah ok
Oct 08 14:24:01 <mrgreaper> oh and incase you didnt know what joikuspot is http://www.joikuspot.com/ (not ideal but will allow me to use the net at work tonight as im close to a plug socket lol)
Oct 08 14:24:06 * Stskeeps wonders why advanced-backlight depends on hildon-control-panel-dev
Oct 08 14:25:29 * mrgreaper wishes the keyboard would beep when he tapped the screen
Oct 08 14:25:40 <Stskeeps> it would in hildon :P
Oct 08 14:25:55 <Stskeeps> i hate that cos i use my tablet in lectures so
Oct 08 14:26:25 * mrgreaper misses hildon and curses the guy that told him this has print support (whole reason for changing)
Oct 08 14:26:39 <Stskeeps> heh
Oct 08 14:26:48 <mrgreaper> synaptic apears to be installing
Oct 08 14:27:07 <mrgreaper> i couldnt print from the default diablo os
Oct 08 14:27:37 <mrgreaper> somone posted in my thread that deblet has print support so i thought what the hell lets try it lol
Oct 08 14:28:00 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, lol, you have a pocket loox 720 as well?
Oct 08 14:28:18 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: at my work, yeah
Oct 08 14:28:23 <Stskeeps> we have tonnes of gadgets
Oct 08 14:28:35 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: well it has as much print support as any other linux os..
Oct 08 14:28:58 <qwerty12> Lol, I blew the backlight on mine & it gets *really* hot in 10 mins >.<. I remember using some form of linux on it
Oct 08 14:29:02 <mrgreaper> problem with synaptic
Oct 08 14:29:37 <mrgreaper> i loaded it its asking me for a pssword and the rest of the screen is inactive including onscreen keyboard
Oct 08 14:31:08 <mrgreaper> think i might just have to reformat the card and go back to os2008 :(
Oct 08 14:31:48 <qwerty12> For that lol? install gconf-editor, and look around in /apps/gksu. I found a gconf value that stopped it from taking over the entire screen
Oct 08 14:31:56 <RST38h> "A.I.G. executives threw a  $440,000 party for themselves a week after the government bailed them out to the tune of $85 billion."
Oct 08 14:31:59 <RST38h> Hehehehe
Oct 08 14:32:08 <qwerty12> in the end I set that and i made it use sudo as backend and set myself as ALL: NOPASSWD
Oct 08 14:32:19 <mrgreaper> tis a shame, it looks nice too i mean the browser seems much nicer then the inbuilt one i prefer the gui looks really nice
Oct 08 14:32:45 <Stskeeps> mrgreaper: write "synaptic" under su in x-terminal
Oct 08 14:32:58 <mrgreaper> one sec
Oct 08 14:33:32 <mrgreaper> your a genuis
Oct 08 14:34:31 <mrgreaper> i assume anything in there will work for the tablet (with in reason)
Oct 08 14:34:33 <Stskeeps> no, just insane
Oct 08 14:34:37 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 08 14:35:15 <mrgreaper> cool ill play around with it tonight (for as long as i can) no batterie meter makes life interesting lol
Oct 08 14:37:24 <mrgreaper> right thankyou for your help (i have bookmarked that weblink with all the gibberish ...errr ...i mean script lol)
Oct 08 14:37:53 <mrgreaper> when is the next version of deblet due and do you have to reflash each time like with the nokia one?
Oct 08 14:38:12 <johnx> just a note mrgreaper, stuff you find in synaptic is not guaranteed to work very well. most of it will work to some degree, but you might have to launch it from the terminal in some cases
Oct 08 14:38:34 <mrgreaper> i hate that terminal :(
Oct 08 14:38:43 <Stskeeps> it's powerful and painful
Oct 08 14:38:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 14:39:04 <mrgreaper> if i said i wish nokia had gone the windows way would you all end up hating me ?
Oct 08 14:39:14 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Oct 08 14:39:20 <johnx> nah, we just wouldn't be here working on this
Oct 08 14:39:21 <mrgreaper> i shant say it then lol
Oct 08 14:39:24 <GeneralAntilles> Because it's a non sensical thing to say.
Oct 08 14:39:41 <johnx> mrgreaper, you might want to look for something running windows mobile in that case
Oct 08 14:39:47 <mrgreaper> im sure ill get the hang of it eventualy
Oct 08 14:40:25 <mrgreaper> to be fair the n800 does exactly ehat i need it to its when i want to do more then i need it starts to let me down
Oct 08 14:40:48 <johnx> it's when you want it to do more that you need to put in a bit of your own time/effort. :)
Oct 08 14:41:03 <Stskeeps> johnx: windows mobile tends to make people want to hack their devices with linux though
Oct 08 14:41:06 <Stskeeps> .. i'm not sure why though
Oct 08 14:41:16 <lardman> where in the case of windows you could hope someone had already done so and pay them for their code?
Oct 08 14:41:20 <johnx> Stskeeps, because the grass is always greener...
Oct 08 14:41:48 <Stskeeps> johnx: i guess the nokia is kinda interesting cos it's people hacking linux on to a .. linux device
Oct 08 14:41:52 <lardman> johnx: can't be much less green than Windows CE/Mobile/whatever it's called though ;)
Oct 08 14:41:54 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, nah, on my ppc, linux sucked more than wm2003se
Oct 08 14:42:08 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: you had a pocket loox too or? :P
Oct 08 14:42:10 <mrgreaper> im pretty confident diablet will be better once its more polished (dont get me wrong i like it specialy how easy it is to read the browser and looks like i can add firefox extensions to it (not tried yet)
Oct 08 14:42:11 <lardman> qwerty12: pm stuff?
Oct 08 14:42:12 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yep
Oct 08 14:42:18 <manyoso> is opera even available for N810 anymore?
Oct 08 14:42:18 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i was thinking to port deblet ;>
Oct 08 14:42:25 <qwerty12> lardman, ?
Oct 08 14:42:31 <GeneralAntilles> manyoso, it never was.
Oct 08 14:42:31 <lardman> power management
Oct 08 14:42:50 <Stskeeps> diablet? oh, burn
Oct 08 14:42:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 14:43:18 <mrgreaper> sorry deblet
Oct 08 14:43:24 <manyoso> GeneralAntilles: does the browser still have the ability to switch engines then?
Oct 08 14:43:25 <mrgreaper> damn dyslexia
Oct 08 14:43:28 <qwerty12> lardman, the interface etc was much more harder to use + it was booted from windows rather than being flashed so after a hard reset, i'd return to a wiped wm2003se
Oct 08 14:43:42 <manyoso> or was that generic feature removed when opera stopped supporting
Oct 08 14:44:02 <GeneralAntilles> manyoso, sure.
Oct 08 14:44:09 <mrgreaper> right im off to kill things before work (in a game of course)
Oct 08 14:44:24 <GeneralAntilles> It's not gonna be fun setting up WebKit to work with EAL, though.
Oct 08 14:44:25 <mrgreaper> thnx again for the help even if i have gone cross eyed on some of it
Oct 08 14:44:28 <lardman> qwerty12: alright
Oct 08 14:44:35 <mrgreaper> bye
Oct 08 14:44:45 <manyoso> GeneralAntilles: i've compiled a dummy eal, but the browser app is not seeing this engine
Oct 08 14:45:47 <GeneralAntilles> manyoso, I don't know the specifics. I'd try maemo-developers for details.
Oct 08 14:45:58 <GeneralAntilles> Or maybe poke timeless if he's around in here.
Oct 08 14:45:58 <qwerty12> manyoso, play around with the settings. I think the menu to switch engines is hidden in a config file in ~ somewhere and also in gconf. I must add though, that I've never gotten the menu to show up.
Oct 08 14:46:17 <lcuk> x-fade, thanks :) not quite ready for it yet but should be in extras-devel soon enough
Oct 08 14:47:15 * lcuk kicks crashanddie for screwing with his locations and scripts for packaging :P
Oct 08 14:47:47 <crashanddie> did I? :-°
Oct 08 14:48:24 <manyoso> qwerty12: ok
Oct 08 14:49:19 <Stskeeps> advanced-backlight people, you have a bashism in your postinst: if [ "$VERSION" == "18" ]
Oct 08 14:49:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 14:52:19 <zwnj> hi there
Oct 08 14:52:28 <zwnj> is 4.2008.23-14 the latest diablo for n800?
Oct 08 14:52:49 <qwerty12> 4.2008.36-5 is
Oct 08 14:53:05 <qwerty12> Update an tablet already running diablo with the application manager
Oct 08 14:53:15 <qwerty12> or use the windows flasher to flash directly to that version
Oct 08 14:55:00 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, go file a bug about 36-5 and tablets-dev.
Oct 08 14:55:32 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, It's nothing major to me. Though NOLS is :>
Oct 08 14:56:11 <GeneralAntilles> Dooooo iiiiiit.
Oct 08 14:56:20 <qwerty12> Bruv, make me yeh
Oct 08 14:56:49 * GeneralAntilles equips Banhammer of Coercion +6 :P
Oct 08 14:58:15 * qwerty12 runs, aiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!
Oct 08 14:58:32 <Sargun_Screen> media player is being evil
Oct 08 14:58:57 <qwerty12> I have an aversion to bugzilla, I've only ever filed one bug in my life (on anything) :P
Oct 08 14:59:24 <Sargun_Screen> qwerty12: filing bugs is for pansies.
Oct 08 14:59:35 <Sargun_Screen> real men hack the code
Oct 08 14:59:55 <johnx> Sargun_Screen, good luck with media player (in terms of hacking the code)
Oct 08 15:00:21 <Sargun_Screen> hehe. its playing all the music I hate
Oct 08 15:00:21 <zwnj> qwerty12: i couldn't find it on tablets-dev.nokia.com .  should i look for it in n810 section?
Oct 08 15:00:34 <Sargun_Screen> well, qwerty12 can do it
Oct 08 15:00:54 <qwerty12> zwnj, alas, it's only available to people using the windows flasher :(
Oct 08 15:01:08 <qwerty12> Sargun_Screen, if only... I'm having trouble reading x86 asm
Oct 08 15:01:37 <qwerty12> I gave up on armasm long before I got a tablet :P
Oct 08 15:01:54 <Sargun_Screen> its ok, you can hack at the machine code ;-P
Oct 08 15:02:12 <Sargun_Screen> we have C, you know?
Oct 08 15:02:35 * Sargun_Screen wonders what audio decoder maemo uses
Oct 08 15:03:24 <zwnj> qwerty12: thanks. so i'm going to get SSU with 4.2008.23-14, and try to upgrade it later.
Oct 08 15:04:31 <GeneralAntilles> jott, ping.
Oct 08 15:09:01 <slonopotamus> hi everybody
Oct 08 15:12:55 * Stskeeps curses hildon packaging
Oct 08 15:13:28 <slonopotamus> any ideas where to get libxml2-dev 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4?
Oct 08 15:13:59 <qwerty12> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libx/libxml2/
Oct 08 15:14:22 <johnx> Stskeeps, I did that a while ago
Oct 08 15:14:23 <lopz> hola
Oct 08 15:16:04 <slonopotamus> somehow google could not find that... thanks, qwerty
Oct 08 15:16:21 <qwerty12> np
Oct 08 15:19:49 <slonopotamus> )))
Oct 08 15:19:49 <slonopotamus> funny quit message
Oct 08 15:19:50 <slonopotamus> 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 is greater than 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4?
Oct 08 15:22:34 <slonopotamus> is it possible to apt-get specific package version (not latest)?
Oct 08 15:22:34 <slonopotamus> let's vote for _removing_ 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 from extras-devel. it doesn't make any sence because conflicts with osso-software-version
Oct 08 15:23:03 <qwerty12> apt-get install something=some.version afaik
Oct 08 15:23:21 <slonopotamus> =?
Oct 08 15:23:26 <X-Fade> slonopotamus: It actually does make sense.
Oct 08 15:23:41 <X-Fade> You use a package from the sdk repo, which is not to be used on the device.
Oct 08 15:24:16 <X-Fade> You should be using a package which is available for the tablet. In this case the one from extras-devel ;)
Oct 08 15:24:31 <slonopotamus> i can't
Oct 08 15:24:54 <slonopotamus> bla-bla-maemo1 conflicts with osso-software-version
Oct 08 15:25:05 <slonopotamus> and it is in extras-devel
Oct 08 15:25:24 <slonopotamus> but diablo has bla-bla-osso4
Oct 08 15:25:37 <slonopotamus> which is in diablo/sdk repo
Oct 08 15:26:12 <X-Fade> Yeah, but that is a build depend. Not an install depend.
Oct 08 15:26:49 <slonopotamus> and so what? how i am supposed to install libxml2-dev on tablet?
Oct 08 15:27:46 <X-Fade> Are you building something _on_ the device?
Oct 08 15:29:18 <qwerty12> The windows flasher is a sly mofo. Instead of downloading to %TEMP%, it downloads to IE's cache folder
Oct 08 15:30:12 <lcuk> X-Fade, dont make it sound like its a bad thing, on device development lets you get a better grasp of your intended target
Oct 08 15:30:15 <lcuk> :P
Oct 08 15:30:45 <mikkov_> if you install libxml2 in scratchbox with "apt-get install libxml2-dev" it will install newer version than in sdk, and resulting binaries will also depend on newer libxml than from official repo?
Oct 08 15:30:47 <X-Fade> lcuk: I was only going to suggest that in that case he'd better go with osso-software-version-unlocked.
Oct 08 15:30:48 <lcuk> and it saves you having to install scratchbox and stuff
Oct 08 15:31:29 <lcuk> agreed on that score x
Oct 08 15:31:37 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Well, that is something we as a community haven't really had a discussion on.
Oct 08 15:31:38 * lcuk runs back to work anyway
Oct 08 15:31:51 <X-Fade> mikkov_: We might want to setup some ground rules for that ;)
Oct 08 15:33:04 <mikkov_> when some other packages have been "replaced" they have used different name
Oct 08 15:33:37 <Stskeeps> ~curse maemo-gtk
Oct 08 15:33:38 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo-gtk !
Oct 08 15:36:32 <Stskeeps> johnx: what could possibly go wrong if i made stock deblet gtk be maemo gtk?
Oct 08 15:36:40 <johnx> hmmm
Oct 08 15:37:31 <johnx> Stskeeps, a lot of breakage ... potentially?
Oct 08 15:37:52 <Stskeeps> mm
Oct 08 15:39:06 * Stskeeps really wonders why they didn't do something along the lines of a wrapper for gtk
Oct 08 15:39:54 <johnx> actually, they could have made most of the changes in a gtk theme I think
Oct 08 15:40:31 <Stskeeps> mm
Oct 08 15:40:36 <X-Fade> johnx: But where would one put the tap-and-hold stuff etc ;)
Oct 08 15:40:47 <johnx> X-Fade, as a gtk input module
Oct 08 15:40:53 <johnx> like everyone else in the whole world does
Oct 08 15:40:59 <johnx> google: gtk-stylus
Oct 08 15:41:11 <Stskeeps> http://live.gnome.org/Maemo/Gtk26Rationales
Oct 08 15:46:38 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png <- please to fear.. (not that it works, i wonder why though.)
Oct 08 15:47:09 <johnx> good deal
Oct 08 15:50:22 <jott> GeneralAntilles: pong
Oct 08 15:50:35 <jott> Stskeeps: it needs libdsme
Oct 08 15:50:39 <GeneralAntilles> jott, so it's the repository making Application manager not install the xserver and kernel.
Oct 08 15:50:42 <Stskeeps> jott: ah.
Oct 08 15:50:49 <Stskeeps> forgot to wedge that one in
Oct 08 15:50:53 <jott> GeneralAntilles: aaah ok
Oct 08 15:51:06 <GeneralAntilles> Don't think there's any way around it. :\
Oct 08 15:51:47 <jott> Stskeeps: its dlopened and apparently does not warn you ;)
Oct 08 15:51:59 <jott> GeneralAntilles: any details?
Oct 08 15:52:32 <Stskeeps> someone should make a open source libdsme.. it's trivial really
Oct 08 15:52:46 <jott> GeneralAntilles: install patched h-a-m first? ;p
Oct 08 15:53:08 <GeneralAntilles> Well, you can switch the repository compartmentalizing with Red Pill. . . .
Oct 08 15:53:36 <jott> Stskeeps: meh, better push the release of the official one and see what can be used ;)
Oct 08 15:53:59 <GeneralAntilles> Truth be told, it's actually a reasonable idea.
Oct 08 15:54:23 <GeneralAntilles> jott, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-October/022791.html
Oct 08 15:54:28 <GeneralAntilles> Details it.
Oct 08 15:54:37 <jott> ah thx
Oct 08 15:55:00 <Stskeeps> jott: that did the trick, ta
Oct 08 15:55:25 <Stskeeps> rotation works too, but probably better on a rotation enabled kernel
Oct 08 15:55:39 <GeneralAntilles> jott, yet more incentive to get the community edition going, anyway. ;)
Oct 08 15:57:09 <Stskeeps> jott: does adv-backlight take non-maemo patches? ;)
Oct 08 16:00:35 <slonopotamus> woops
Oct 08 16:00:41 <slonopotamus> i'm back
Oct 08 16:00:44 <jott> Stskeeps: sure.
Oct 08 16:01:04 <jott> GeneralAntilles: heh yeah.
Oct 08 16:01:19 <slonopotamus> so. i think that bla-bla-maemo1 should be removed from extras.
Oct 08 16:02:33 <slonopotamus> is there any formal procedure for package removal?
Oct 08 16:02:54 <crashanddie> [Off-Topic] Anyone ever bought a car with AutoQuake?
Oct 08 16:02:55 <slonopotamus> voting on -dev or smth?
Oct 08 16:03:31 <jott> slonopotamus: which package?
Oct 08 16:04:06 <johnx> crashanddie, you're planning to buy a user car, without seeing it, over the internet? what could possibly go wrong?
Oct 08 16:04:40 <slonopotamus> everybody ignores me :(
Oct 08 16:04:53 <johnx> slonopotamus, or nobody knows the answer
Oct 08 16:05:03 <johnx> slonopotamus, want me to lie to you?
Oct 08 16:05:09 <slonopotamus> :)
Oct 08 16:05:13 <GeneralAntilles> slonopotamus, what jott said.
Oct 08 16:05:26 <qwerty12> slonopotamus, send me some ganja and I'll do it for you
Oct 08 16:05:34 <crashanddie> johnx, that's exactly why I'm asking
Oct 08 16:05:37 <crashanddie> johnx, I want input :)
Oct 08 16:05:56 <crashanddie> johnx, cuz the prices are quite attractive
Oct 08 16:05:59 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, I wouldn't.
Oct 08 16:06:04 <GeneralAntilles> Usually you get what you pay for.
Oct 08 16:06:08 <johnx> crashanddie, buying a used car over the internet is a horrible idea. Buy it in person and take a mechanic friend with you or take it to a mechanic you trust
Oct 08 16:06:28 <crashanddie> I'm enough of a mechanic to understand how to advise if a car is worth the money
Oct 08 16:06:30 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, no. usually you get reamed.
Oct 08 16:06:39 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, exactly. ;)
Oct 08 16:06:43 <crashanddie> I wonder if a viewing/test drive is possible
Oct 08 16:07:50 <johnx> crashanddie, if you're any kind of a mechanic at all you must realize everything that can be wrong with a car that can be hidden with pictures and descriptions, that only looking at it and driving it yourself can find
Oct 08 16:08:31 <crashanddie> that's why I ask for input !
Oct 08 16:08:35 <crashanddie> (crashanddie) I wonder if a viewing/test drive is possibl
Oct 08 16:09:07 <johnx> if you can get them to agree to a test drive, then there's no problem
Oct 08 16:09:29 <johnx> if not, then treat it as a car that doesn't drive
Oct 08 16:09:30 <qwerty12> crashanddie, You're asking if people have bought a car from a UK company and in all honesty, I don't see a lot of us from the UK on here
Oct 08 16:09:33 <slonopotamus> jott, libxml2-dev version 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 is in extras and extras-devel. however it can't be installed on tablet because of conflict with osso-software-version. however, 2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4 can be installed (it matches diablo's libxml2 package) but it is only available in diablo/sdk repo which is not supposed to be used on tablet. this all looks messed up.
Oct 08 16:10:44 <slonopotamus> i wonder why 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 exists at all
Oct 08 16:11:38 <jott> slonopotamus: because you can install osso-software-version-rxXX-unlocked
Oct 08 16:12:31 <slonopotamus> so i'm not supposed to have libxml2-dev without breaking the lock?
Oct 08 16:13:10 <jott> slonopotamus: -dev packages are not really meant to be installed on the tablet.
Oct 08 16:13:21 <jott> if you want to do so, you should actually know what you are doing.
Oct 08 16:14:14 <jott> (and that is either install the matching package from the sdk repo or install the -unlocked package and get a more recent version)
Oct 08 16:14:56 <slonopotamus> ok. technically you answered 'yes' :)
Oct 08 16:15:54 <jott> slonopotamus: to which question? :/
Oct 08 16:16:00 <slonopotamus> too many repos...
Oct 08 16:16:23 <jott> huh? no. i just said -dev package are not meant for end-users.
Oct 08 16:16:32 <jott> and developers are supposed to know what they are doing...
Oct 08 16:16:36 <slonopotamus> jott, i'm doing something unsupported :)
Oct 08 16:16:48 <jott> yes. :)
Oct 08 16:17:59 <slonopotamus> jott, you won't tell anyone that i've replaced busybox with coreutils, uh?
Oct 08 16:18:17 <slonopotamus> :)
Oct 08 16:18:26 <jott> i don't care. just don't complain when you get stucked in a reboot loop ;)
Oct 08 16:18:52 <qwerty12> slonopotamus, I've done it by modifying dpkg status file manually. Kinda sucked when ls -la would segfault :)
Oct 08 16:20:48 <jott> qwerty12: who needs "ls" when one can use readdir :P
Oct 08 16:21:12 <qwerty12> me :P
Oct 08 16:21:34 <qwerty12> I've never come across readdir before :P, only dir and ls from this noob :P
Oct 08 16:21:54 <crashanddie> johnx, actually, I can view and test drive a vehicle if I want to :P
Oct 08 16:21:55 <jott> qwerty12: it's readdir(3) :>
Oct 08 16:22:05 <johnx> crashanddie, then go for it!
Oct 08 16:22:14 <crashanddie> let's first wait for a job :P
Oct 08 16:22:52 <crashanddie> but hell, a mx-5 with only 7000m for 8g
Oct 08 16:23:06 <qwerty12> crashanddie, Ask if they take IOU's?
Oct 08 16:23:26 <crashanddie> I don't do IOU's
Oct 08 16:23:37 <GeneralAntilles> I hear chick cars are good for picking up chicks. :P
Oct 08 16:25:03 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yeah, for girls who want to "convert" you..
Oct 08 16:25:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 08 16:25:11 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Oct 08 16:25:20 <johnx> gotta go with crashanddie on the mx5 being a darn nice little car
Oct 08 16:25:24 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, an angle's an angle. ;)
Oct 08 16:25:36 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, oh, sure, it's a Z3 without all the fail.
Oct 08 16:25:42 <GeneralAntilles> Still a chick car, though. ;)
Oct 08 16:25:48 <crashanddie> johnx, http://www.autoquake.com/vehicle/inspid=5508
Oct 08 16:26:13 * johnx rolls his eyes at GeneralAntilles 
Oct 08 16:26:40 <GeneralAntilles> I don't make the rules. :D
Oct 08 16:26:56 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, you just buy into them?
Oct 08 16:27:13 <johnx> I guess that's what I should have expected from a Mac user :P :D
Oct 08 16:27:16 * GeneralAntilles rolls his eyes at johnx.
Oct 08 16:27:39 <qwerty12> FAIL. You included a full stop
Oct 08 16:31:00 <Stskeeps> mmm. steak, fries and bernaise sauce. <3 loving being home alone once in a while
Oct 08 16:32:36 <johnx> stop making me hungry. there's no snacks around here :P
Oct 08 16:33:02 <qwerty12> johnx, but you have all that rice :P
Oct 08 16:33:09 <summatusmentis> speaking of food, I need to go grocery shopping sometime
Oct 08 16:33:50 <GeneralAntilles> Nice, the power steering failed on my mom's 2 year old Camry Hybrid.
Oct 08 16:33:59 <johnx> qwerty12, takes like 20min to cook. I'm hungry now
Oct 08 16:34:23 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, power steering is for old people driving sedans... oh wait
Oct 08 16:34:42 <johnx> just get her a bigger steering wheel! problem solved
Oct 08 16:34:46 <qwerty12> johnx, No takeaway outlets? I could get kebab roll, chicken wings from at least 20 places near to where I live :P
Oct 08 16:34:48 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, not on modern cars. :P
Oct 08 16:34:53 <GeneralAntilles> Wide tires, heavy weight. . . .
Oct 08 16:35:00 <johnx> qwerty12, at 1:30AM?
Oct 08 16:35:18 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it builds character
Oct 08 16:35:34 <qwerty12> johnx, Well, I know the supermarket is open 24 hours, I could probably get something from there and put it in the microwave :P
Oct 08 16:35:39 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, and upper arm muscles, but I'll pass. :P
Oct 08 16:36:04 <johnx> it sucks at parking lot speeds, admittedly
Oct 08 16:36:13 <johnx> qwerty12, I think I'm out of luck :/
Oct 08 16:37:15 <qwerty12> johnx, No putting your hand inside tv food adverts yet?
Oct 08 16:38:32 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, what car do you have?
Oct 08 16:38:51 <GeneralAntilles> '04 Camry 2.4L 5-speed
Oct 08 16:38:53 <johnx> qwerty12, I think the newer phones have that, but mine's a year old...
Oct 08 16:39:00 <qwerty12> hehe
Oct 08 16:39:20 <crashanddie> Ok
Oct 08 16:39:26 <crashanddie> And you have a beard, right?
Oct 08 16:39:47 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Oct 08 16:39:48 <crashanddie> Thank you very much, being beardy and owning a toyota, you are not allowed to call any other car "a girl's car"
Oct 08 16:39:59 <crashanddie> :D
Oct 08 16:40:10 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure how that's relevant.
Oct 08 16:41:22 <GeneralAntilles> I figure sensible-car driving lumberjacks should be able to call girl's cars girl's cars anyway. :P
Oct 08 16:42:08 <johnx> crashanddie, don't mind him. he's in denial
Oct 08 16:42:25 * johnx wishes toyota would do something exciting again...
Oct 08 16:42:50 <GeneralAntilles> For serious
Oct 08 16:43:06 <GeneralAntilles> I want that RWD Corolla I keep hearing about.
Oct 08 16:43:10 <johnx> ha
Oct 08 16:43:19 <johnx> people wanted that for 18 years
Oct 08 16:43:41 <johnx> the writing was on the wall when they dropped even the celica
Oct 08 16:44:23 <johnx> it's funny that honda is taking sporty cars seriously and toyota is being boring these days
Oct 08 16:44:39 <GeneralAntilles> They only thing sporty Toyota ships is the Tacoma. <_<
Oct 08 16:45:08 <GeneralAntilles> I want the MR2 back with less suck.
Oct 08 16:45:21 <johnx> I'd actually go for a 1st gen MR-2
Oct 08 16:45:36 <johnx> good gas mileage and lots of fun, or so I hear
Oct 08 16:45:50 <GeneralAntilles> Crazy weight distribution.
Oct 08 16:47:16 <johnx> looks ok to me
Oct 08 16:47:30 <johnx> only a problem for people who are used to nose-heavy sedans
Oct 08 16:49:03 <GeneralAntilles> My goal is to get an E30 M3 at some point.
Oct 08 16:49:16 <johnx> wouldn't be bad
Oct 08 16:49:32 <GeneralAntilles> Nope, it would be friggin' fantastic.
Oct 08 16:49:32 <johnx> I really like the second gen supras 82-85
Oct 08 16:50:02 <glass_> i want a pristine gtv6
Oct 08 16:51:22 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm, Italian, I'd have to take a Lancia Delta Integrale.
Oct 08 16:53:18 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, hmm...I'd rather have an I6 than a four banger. otherwise the e30 m3 looks nice
Oct 08 16:53:42 <GeneralAntilles> The E30 is a little more purebred than the E36.
Oct 08 16:54:11 <GeneralAntilles> It's sad how totally BMW has killed the M3.
Oct 08 16:55:22 <johnx> yeah, e36 looks way too heavy :/
Oct 08 16:55:24 <lardman> cars get bigger, c'est la vie
Oct 08 16:55:39 <GeneralAntilles> E90 is straight up horrifying
Oct 08 16:55:44 <johnx> cars get bigger and I don't have to buy them or like them :)
Oct 08 16:55:52 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Oct 08 16:56:00 <GeneralAntilles> I'd also like to go old and big
Oct 08 16:56:05 <GeneralAntilles> 1966 Dodge Charger
Oct 08 16:56:06 <lardman> of course :)
Oct 08 16:56:16 <GeneralAntilles> Giant blue electric razor
Oct 08 16:56:27 * johnx could never drive a car much over 3,000lbs
Oct 08 16:56:41 <johnx> well, I can, but I wouldn't do it on purpose
Oct 08 16:57:14 <lardman> hmm, so most stuff is out then?
Oct 08 16:57:21 <lardman> modern stuff that is
Oct 08 16:57:25 <johnx> most mdern stuff, sadly yes
Oct 08 16:57:35 <johnx> doesn't bother me much though
Oct 08 16:57:39 <GeneralAntilles> You can always drive a Lotus. ;)
Oct 08 16:57:51 <johnx> well, it's not all bad then :)
Oct 08 16:58:12 <johnx> or a honda fit, or any of the "yellow tag" cars from Japan
Oct 08 16:58:18 <GeneralAntilles> My uncle has a nice Elise
Oct 08 16:58:21 <GeneralAntilles> unreal car
Oct 08 16:59:14 <johnx> another thing I hate about modern cars: ridiculous plastic engine covers
Oct 08 16:59:20 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Oct 08 16:59:26 <GeneralAntilles> "No, you can't touch this."
Oct 08 16:59:28 <GeneralAntilles> Bizarre
Oct 08 16:59:50 <johnx> it's like, I opened the hood for a reason and it wasn't to see a crap-ton of plastic staring at me
Oct 08 16:59:54 <Stskeeps> oh, neat, videos from sessions at maemo summit
Oct 08 16:59:58 * Stskeeps watches debian chroot one
Oct 08 17:00:18 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, swap it for carbon fiber. ;)
Oct 08 17:00:34 <johnx> hmm...I don't think that solves the problem
Oct 08 17:00:46 <GeneralAntilles> Looks cool, though!
Oct 08 17:01:45 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://linuxuk.org/node/68 <- entertainment :)
Oct 08 17:02:49 <johnx> I'll watch it later when there's no one to wake up :)
Oct 08 17:03:24 <Stskeeps> qole really needs to learn how to present though
Oct 08 17:10:16 * johnx sleeps
Oct 08 17:23:34 <lardman> qwerty12: re comment about showing off, well that's exactly right :)
Oct 08 17:24:16 <qwerty12> lardman, :P
Oct 08 17:24:49 <lardman> wide screen and stereo sound for the whole 10s of the average mobile phone mp4 file
Oct 08 17:24:56 <lardman> :)
Oct 08 17:26:05 <qwerty12> Heh, yeah, I remember watching transformers off the 176x220 screen...
Oct 08 17:27:08 * lcuk lobs bacon at lardman 
Oct 08 17:28:19 <Sargun_Screen> I need more RAM
Oct 08 17:28:30 <Sargun_Screen> like 768mb at least
Oct 08 17:33:48 <lardman> lcuk: mmmmm
Oct 08 17:38:55 <lcuk> i had a problem the other day, the frying pan was too small for the quantity of bacon which needed cooking
Oct 08 17:43:40 <GeneralAntilles> Time for a big cast iron griddle.
Oct 08 17:43:51 <Stskeeps> mm, bacon
Oct 08 17:44:59 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, i was thinking more along the lines of a pig sized conveyor oven, or alternatively one of them kebab meat sookers but with bacon aorund it.
Oct 08 17:45:04 <lcuk> cookers ^
Oct 08 17:45:11 <lcuk> - other typos
Oct 08 17:45:51 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: how does extras policy look like if there's in-source compiled binaries? like, kernel modules compiled into .ko's and such
Oct 08 17:46:20 <Stskeeps> somewhat that's counterproductive to the whole "being able to recompile the package for new versions if needed"
Oct 08 17:46:24 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, dunno.
Oct 08 17:46:46 <lardman> oi you lot, no work being done here due to the bacon talk!
Oct 08 17:47:07 <GeneralAntilles> We could talk about steak instead
Oct 08 17:47:08 * lcuk is hungry and waiting for luke to come back form the chippy :)
Oct 08 17:47:12 <GeneralAntilles> or maybe cake.
Oct 08 17:47:17 * Stskeeps had a delicious pepper steak, mm.
Oct 08 17:47:18 <lcuk> the cake is a lie
Oct 08 17:48:24 <lcuk> im also planning to implement proper styling in liqbase tonight :) i intend to remove the dull boxen and replace with a hand drawn theme :)
Oct 08 17:48:44 <GeneralAntilles> Hire Khertan!
Oct 08 17:48:58 <lcuk> heh!
Oct 08 17:49:42 <lcuk> i was hoping to hold off until i had got png saving down to a fine art, but it looks like that will take a backburner
Oct 08 17:57:42 <lcuk> bbl
Oct 08 18:02:28 <Stskeeps> 'lo moontiger
Oct 08 18:02:58 <moontiger> hey Stskeeps i was meaning to ask you ... is using dbus ok for the batt mon?
Oct 08 18:03:13 <Stskeeps> for asking HAL?
Oct 08 18:03:19 <moontiger> yes
Oct 08 18:03:21 <Stskeeps> yeah, i think that's how most people do it
Oct 08 18:03:50 <Stskeeps> moontiger: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png <- we now have backlight applet too ;)
Oct 08 18:03:52 <moontiger> right ... so im writing a dbus client that registers with the battery hal thing and gets updates .... prolly on a timer with sleep() in the loop
Oct 08 18:04:33 <moontiger> this might take me a little while as im new to this level of system coding on linux but its kinda fun
Oct 08 18:04:37 <Stskeeps> hehe
Oct 08 18:04:48 <|maddler|> hey all
Oct 08 18:04:49 <GAN800> Nice backlight. ;)
Oct 08 18:04:50 <moontiger> im off work next week and up in seattle so i can focus more on it there
Oct 08 18:04:50 <Stskeeps> it sure is, but you want to beat your head against a wall once in a while
Oct 08 18:04:55 <pupnik810> moemo
Oct 08 18:04:59 <pupnik810> mooemo
Oct 08 18:05:12 <moontiger> got to get back to my class now ... brb
Oct 08 18:05:16 <Stskeeps> GAN800: yeah, it was easy to port actually.. just had to ignore some dependancies you don't use anyway and remove a maemogtkism
Oct 08 18:05:28 <GAN800> pupnik
Oct 08 18:05:36 <pupnik810> sup ga
Oct 08 18:06:06 <pupnik810> <- sick, cold, headache
Oct 08 18:06:09 <GAN800> Sleepy Thursday afternoon.
Oct 08 18:09:05 <solmumaha> evening pupnik810
Oct 08 18:09:50 <pupnik810> hui solarion
Oct 08 18:09:55 <pupnik810> solmumaha,
Oct 08 18:10:15 <pupnik810> was a nice sol-y day here
Oct 08 18:11:08 <Mace`> is there a maemo pkg for ff or epiphany?
Oct 08 18:11:17 <Mace`> iceweasel
Oct 08 18:11:31 <Mace`> anything other than microb?
Oct 08 18:11:37 <solmumaha> boss wanted to send me to berlin but i refused after i saw the conference price
Oct 08 18:11:47 <pupnik810> heh
Oct 08 18:12:01 <pupnik810> mace - links
Oct 08 18:12:04 <Mace`> cheaper now that the $ is up
Oct 08 18:12:20 <Mace`> i need java .. for ajax zimbra
Oct 08 18:12:51 <jaska> normal jre on n8x0? ouch
Oct 08 18:13:14 <pupnik810> gtg
Oct 08 18:18:03 <Mace`> works in deblet ;)
Oct 08 18:18:16 <Stskeeps> Mace`: are you Macer btw? i just wonder :P
Oct 08 18:18:31 <Mace`> yes
Oct 08 18:18:33 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 08 18:19:45 <Mace`> Stskeeps- cant you rip the bt phone stuff from maemo?
Oct 08 18:19:51 <Mace`> to set it up for deblet
Oct 08 18:19:53 <Mace`> ?
Oct 08 18:19:56 <Stskeeps> Mace`: i try to avoid ripping stuff honestly
Oct 08 18:20:00 <Mace`> ;)
Oct 08 18:20:19 <Mace`> but it's so easy in maemo
Oct 08 18:20:32 <Mace`> and such a pain in deblet
Oct 08 18:20:47 <Stskeeps> Mace`: i'm building new network-manager atm
Oct 08 18:20:48 <Stskeeps> the svn
Oct 08 18:20:50 <Stskeeps> it has PPP
Oct 08 18:20:52 <Stskeeps> so that helps
Oct 08 18:20:57 <GAN800> Maemo is far and away the easiest OS I've ever tethered with.
Oct 08 18:21:10 <Stskeeps> and i agree, that is one thing they got really right
Oct 08 18:21:26 <GAN800> Easier than OS X
Oct 08 18:21:27 <crashanddie> not easier than say... Debian
Oct 08 18:21:52 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: trust me, maemo is easier :P
Oct 08 18:22:12 <crashanddie> optimised != easy
Oct 08 18:22:29 <GAN800> Um
Oct 08 18:22:39 <GAN800> How is it not easy?
Oct 08 18:22:46 <crashanddie> I didn't say it wasn't easy
Oct 08 18:22:47 <crashanddie> djeezus
Oct 08 18:22:51 <crashanddie> I'm just saying
Oct 08 18:22:58 <GAN800> You tell it your provider and connect.
Oct 08 18:23:11 <GAN800> Saying what?
Oct 08 18:23:26 * GAN800 isn't clear on that.
Oct 08 18:23:51 <crashanddie> Saying Maemo is easy, well, that's a bit stating the obvious
Oct 08 18:24:03 <Stskeeps> i was a bit disappointed roaming data didn't work while i was in ireland though, but that might be because of vodafone craziness
Oct 08 18:24:22 <crashanddie> But it's no different in easiness than say, Debian
Oct 08 18:32:08 <Stskeeps> 'lo qole
Oct 08 18:32:37 <Stskeeps> qole: sorry for asking you to come by, the thread would become way too long :)
Oct 08 18:36:58 <qole> I have the folder...
Oct 08 18:37:52 <Stskeeps> alright, mv away the debian folder for now (we'll use it in a minute), and rename the root folder to easy-debian-<version>
Oct 08 18:38:58 <lardman> hi qole
Oct 08 18:39:51 <qole> lardman: hi!
Oct 08 18:40:11 <Stskeeps> qole: and make sure you have apt-get'ed dpkg-dev dh-make
Oct 08 18:40:30 <Stskeeps> (assuming you're doing this in a debian chroot :P)
Oct 08 18:42:30 <qole> just for everyone else: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24161
Oct 08 18:45:15 <qole> looks like I just needed dh-make
Oct 08 18:47:37 <Stskeeps> alright, now in your easy-debian-<version>, touch Makefile (we'll edit this later), dh_make -c gpl -l your@mail -n -s
Oct 08 18:48:15 <qole> I've deleted the debian folder ... renamed root fldr to easy-debian-0.9-10
Oct 08 18:48:19 <Stskeeps> (see -c options in dh_make --help). the flags select which license to refer to in it, that it's a debian native package (we don't have upstream source), and a single binary (not sure about differences)
Oct 08 18:49:01 <Stskeeps> -e your@mail, sorry
Oct 08 18:49:28 <Stskeeps> that makes a skeleton debian/ folder for you after you confirm
Oct 08 18:51:08 <Stskeeps> then, edit debian/control, first part is for source package - what is needed to build this package, what section should the packages end up in, etc, second part is info about the built package
Oct 08 18:51:43 <qole> dhmake: 'Extra parameters on command line'
Oct 08 18:51:54 <Stskeeps> yeah, dh_make -c gpl -e your@mail -n -s
Oct 08 18:51:56 <Stskeeps> made a typo
Oct 08 18:52:31 * lardman looks at building a DSP kernel
Oct 08 18:53:04 <Stskeeps> qole: and you can probably pull most of this info from your old control, but do note you shouldn't put in Version: for instance
Oct 08 18:54:05 <qole> one weirdness: "Maintainer name : root"
Oct 08 18:54:36 <Stskeeps> yeah, it gets your gecos i guess
Oct 08 18:54:52 <qole> why no version?
Oct 08 18:55:12 <Stskeeps> because it gets generated automatically by the build system, based on latest entry in debian/changelog
Oct 08 18:55:49 <Stskeeps> (which is another chapter, but the 'dch' script is nice there)
Oct 08 18:56:18 <qole> what's  with all the .ex files?
Oct 08 18:56:37 <Stskeeps> example files, we'll rm *.ex *.EX in the end
Oct 08 18:56:54 <Stskeeps> you can do export DEBFULLNAME="Full Name" seemingily (root question)
Oct 08 18:57:25 <qole> so I can dump my preinst etc  back into debian/ now?
Oct 08 18:57:41 <Stskeeps> yeah, dump in preinst, postrm, postinst, prerm again
Oct 08 18:57:54 <Stskeeps> make sure they're +x obviously
Oct 08 19:00:41 <Stskeeps> verify debian/copyright is to your liking as well
Oct 08 19:03:18 <Stskeeps> then this: http://rafb.net/p/daDiLH76.html should suffice as a Makefile
Oct 08 19:03:54 <Stskeeps> (the indentation -must- be a tab)
Oct 08 19:04:54 <qole> hacking away at debian/control... merging my one with the autogenerated one...
Oct 08 19:09:49 <mikkov_> are you making binary only debs for extras?
Oct 08 19:10:23 <qole> I have a big binary blob in my control, 'Maemo-Icon-26:'
Oct 08 19:11:14 <mikkov_> yeah, but binary only programs?
Oct 08 19:11:28 <mikkov_> which are opensource
Oct 08 19:11:40 <qole> mikkov_: yes, although most is shell scripts, etc, there is no source for binary bits
Oct 08 19:12:14 <mikkov_> point of the buildable source packages is that you can actually build them.
Oct 08 19:12:29 <qole> (not my code, but donated to the project)
Oct 08 19:12:31 <mikkov_> and you are required to provide source code according to gpl
Oct 08 19:12:49 * rm_you pokes qole 
Oct 08 19:12:58 <rm_you> good to see you on IRC
Oct 08 19:12:59 <rm_you> now to run off
Oct 08 19:13:01 * rm_you runs off
Oct 08 19:13:10 <mikkov_> shell scripts of cource are the code themselves
Oct 08 19:13:59 * lardman is impressed that building a DSP kernel just works (TM)
Oct 08 19:14:28 <derf> I still haven't gotten it to "Just Work (TM)".
Oct 08 19:14:55 <qole> the support binaries are either tiny bits of donated code (Bundyo's hostwin app)...
Oct 08 19:15:22 <derf> Though I still haven't spent much time with it... but my LCA talk was accepted, so the motivation is there now.
Oct 08 19:16:40 <qole> ...or bits of other OSS packages that I intend to make into 'depends' once I successfully get this to upload.
Oct 08 19:18:09 <qole> but I should see if Bundyo will give me the source for his app... which opens a window then runs a shell script...
Oct 08 19:18:53 <mikkov_> I would get clarification of the license and the source if it's open source. Even if it is very simple program
Oct 08 19:19:05 * qole waves at rm_you
Oct 08 19:19:29 * rm_you waves as he goes flying by in the other direction, off to work
Oct 08 19:24:51 <milhouse> maemo.org offline or just dog-arse slow?
Oct 08 19:28:28 <lardman> derf: what are you trying to get to work? The DSP code?
Oct 08 19:28:50 <lardman> yes, from reading your next comment
Oct 08 19:28:54 <derf> Yeah.
Oct 08 19:29:58 * lardman goes to pull the latest version
Oct 08 19:31:05 <lardman> derf: any error in particular?
Oct 08 19:31:20 <derf> No, still just sorting through what to do with the toolchain.
Oct 08 19:31:27 <lardman> ah, ok
Oct 08 19:31:52 <lardman> you stick it in /opt/ti_dsptools/ ?
Oct 08 19:31:56 <derf> Yeah.
Oct 08 19:32:17 <lardman> should just work then if you use the Makefile I posted
Oct 08 19:36:00 <ssvb> hi lardman, any progress with DSP crusade?
Oct 08 19:37:01 <lardman> ssvb: yes, I was just going to email you :)
Oct 08 19:37:20 <lardman> I've just compiled the kernel, was grabbing info to write hw codec driver for the 770
Oct 08 19:38:07 <lardman> not sure if that would be of use in your quest to make the 770 a decent multimedia machine, but thought it might be interesting/useful
Oct 08 19:39:53 <derf> lardman: Err, I can't seem to find that Makefile.
Oct 08 19:40:07 <lardman> derf: hang on a tick, let me find an url
Oct 08 19:40:26 <lardman> ah, I didn't post it, sorry
Oct 08 19:40:39 <derf> Heh, that would be why.
Oct 08 19:40:44 <derf> Also, you mentioned having to make some code mods?
Oct 08 19:41:38 <Stskeeps> qole: how's it going?
Oct 08 19:42:12 <lardman> yeah, I think the only thing I altered was testcelt.c
Oct 08 19:42:16 <ssvb> lardman: still running audio driver on ARM side is probably the best solution from the technical point of view, and it is much more realistic to achieve
Oct 08 19:42:16 <lardman> trying to remember myself
Oct 08 19:42:17 <henrique> the .desktop file spec has changed in diablo?
Oct 08 19:42:27 <henrique> os is it the same as in previous version of maemo?
Oct 08 19:42:29 <derf> Okay.
Oct 08 19:42:50 <derf> Because I know there are some fixes that need to go into the real meat of the codec.
Oct 08 19:42:56 <lardman> ssvb: yes, certainly, I just thought I'd take a look - especially as there are nearly complete drivers available anyway for the aic23
Oct 08 19:43:29 <lardman> derf: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/dsp/
Oct 08 19:47:02 <lardman> I get a failure in float_cast.h, #warning is unknown (l97 & 98)
Oct 08 19:47:28 <lardman> I am slightly concerned with using floats on the DSP too, not sure how fast it will be
Oct 08 19:48:18 <Stskeeps> lardman: so, just curious, what's your goals with this and the 770? open source dsp codecs or?
Oct 08 19:48:42 <lardman> Stskeeps: always open source codecs, but just something interesting to do too
Oct 08 19:49:10 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Oct 08 19:49:20 <lardman> derf: entdec.c has multiple "shift count is too large" warnings
Oct 08 19:49:47 <lardman> derf: cwrs.c : truncation warnings from integer conversion
Oct 08 19:49:49 <derf> Lines?
Oct 08 19:50:04 <whodat> is it common the on n810 for the screen to wobble on its track a bit when the keyboard is in open position? kind of annoying to me.
Oct 08 19:50:04 <Stskeeps> lardman: it's interesting for sure.. especially with nokia seemingily trying their hardest to forget they existed in terms of software ;)
Oct 08 19:50:15 <lardman> entdec.c: 32,40,41,69,77,78
Oct 08 19:50:38 <derf> 16 should really not be too large for a 32-bit type.
Oct 08 19:50:39 <lardman> Stskeeps: they inherited the code, not much they could do about it
Oct 08 19:51:36 <lardman> derf: that casts the output, or the array type?
Oct 08 19:52:29 <derf> Array indexing has higher precedence than casts.
Oct 08 19:52:56 <lardman> I'm just looking for the definition of the structure
Oct 08 19:52:57 <derf> ((ec_uint32)(_b->ptr[2]))<<16 is the equivalent fully-parenthesized version.
Oct 08 19:53:39 <lardman> ah, well this is an odd compiler... :)
Oct 08 19:54:01 <derf> Operator precedence is a pretty fundamental thing for a compiler to get wrong.
Oct 08 19:54:29 <lardman> yeah well, didn't fix it anyway
Oct 08 19:54:39 <derf> I'm more worried that celt_uint32_t is not being defined correctly.
Oct 08 19:54:53 <lardman> yep, that's my next to-look-at
Oct 08 19:55:38 <troyh> ls
Oct 08 19:56:05 <troyh> doah, wrong window...
Oct 08 19:57:20 <derf> lardman: Did you define HAVE_CONFIG_H ?
Oct 08 19:57:34 <lardman> no
Oct 08 19:57:39 <lardman> just CONFIG_H
Oct 08 19:57:43 <derf> Yeah, that could be part of the problem.
Oct 08 19:57:55 <lardman> ok, will try again
Oct 08 19:58:11 <derf> I mean, you define CONFIG_H _in_ config.h
Oct 08 19:58:19 <lardman> yes
Oct 08 19:58:21 <cyrus__> anyone here install deblet on n810. i have a quick question regarding the partitioning of the memory card. Do I just need to make one primary partition? Does it need to be set bootable and what filesystem should I put on it?
Oct 08 19:58:22 <derf> But without HAVE_CONFIG_H, it won't even include config.h
Oct 08 19:58:27 <lardman> ah, I see
Oct 08 19:58:40 <lardman> where shall I define that then?
Oct 08 19:58:43 <lardman> testcelt.c?
Oct 08 19:58:54 <lardman> Makefile
Oct 08 19:58:57 <derf> Makefile
Oct 08 19:59:01 <derf> It's needed for every .c file.
Oct 08 20:00:57 <lardman> hmm
Oct 08 20:01:13 <lardman> so shall I pass it as a -D flag to the compiler?
Oct 08 20:02:24 <lardman> ah, yes
Oct 08 20:03:02 <woglinde> hi
Oct 08 20:03:21 <derf> Yeah.
Oct 08 20:05:40 <lardman> "fixed_c5x.h", line 38: fatal error: could not open source file "dsplib.h"
Oct 08 20:05:48 <lardman> Heroes beckons, will take a look afterwards
Oct 08 20:25:52 <derf> lardman|tv: I assume that is referring to http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru422i/spru422i.pdf
Oct 08 20:31:47 <crashanddie> Was House last night or the night before?
Oct 08 20:46:25 <Stskeeps> cyndis: make a tiny fat partition (16m?), one ext2/3 and one for swap (128mb-192m)
Oct 08 20:46:30 <Stskeeps> cyndis: is how i usually do it
Oct 08 20:47:02 <Stskeeps> and no, bootable has no meaning on tablet
Oct 08 20:58:45 <lardman> derf: does your code use dsplib fns?
Oct 08 20:59:32 <GNUton> hi there
Oct 08 20:59:49 <derf> lardman: Yes.
Oct 08 20:59:58 <lardman> right-ho
Oct 08 21:00:26 <derf> At least, it certainly does if you #define ENABLE_TI_DSPLIB, which you do.
Oct 08 21:00:34 <lardman> yep
Oct 08 21:01:39 <lardman> hmm, rubbish Windows, file is named Dsplib.h
Oct 08 21:02:24 <derf> Hah, so it is.
Oct 08 21:02:54 <derf> But anyway, it's probably a good idea to use the hand-optimized assembly FFT, since TI went through the trouble of writing one for us.
Oct 08 21:02:55 <lardman> I symlinked it
Oct 08 21:03:13 <lardman> also need to symlink TMS320.h to its lowercase counterpart
Oct 08 21:05:57 <lardman> ~lart bloody Gnome filemanager for locking up the desktop, then giving me some crap about backend not supported when copying from one dir to another!
Oct 08 21:05:57 * infobot beats bloody Gnome filemanager severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for locking up the desktop, then giving me some crap about backend not supported when copying from one dir to another!
Oct 08 21:06:56 <lardman> I was going to upload the new Makefile
Oct 08 21:07:25 <lardman> but anyway, just add "-i$(TOOLS_DIR)/ccs221_content/c5500/dsplib/include" to the "INCD = blah" lines
Oct 08 21:08:39 <derf> Oh, I went and had to track down a separate copy. Because find . -name dsplib.h didn't find it, of course.
Oct 08 21:09:14 <derf> Mine's newer, anyway :).
Oct 08 21:10:06 <derf> But I did enjoy how the spru didn't bother to tell you where to _get_ the library.
Oct 08 21:10:29 <derf> And the archive filename it suggested produced no useful Google results.
Oct 08 21:11:34 <lardman> archive is a win exe :(
Oct 08 21:11:43 <derf> It's just a zip file.
Oct 08 21:12:15 <derf> unzip is perfectly happy extracting from self-extracting executables.
Oct 08 21:12:18 <lardman> hmm, I thought inside was an exe
Oct 08 21:12:22 <lardman> ah ok
Oct 08 21:13:16 <derf> Okay, so now I need to get dspgw stuff setup.
Oct 08 21:13:55 <derf> Since I don't have gen_dummy_kernel nor coff_unresolve.
Oct 08 21:14:19 <lardman> hmm, should all be in the "extras" tarball I sent you
Oct 08 21:14:29 <lardman> hang on a tick, brb
Oct 08 21:14:48 <derf> Oh, there is one.
Oct 08 21:14:57 <derf> I wonder why I couldn't find it before.
Oct 08 21:26:12 <lardman> re
Oct 08 21:27:01 <lardman> the Makefile + linuxdsptools_env.bash should even have the right paths setup
Oct 08 21:27:22 <lardman> ;)
Oct 08 21:28:02 <lardman> right, that's working now, on to the next error
Oct 08 21:28:12 <lardman> mdct.c
Oct 08 21:28:29 <derf> Yeah, it's forcing the double-precision FFT there.
Oct 08 21:28:49 <lardman> l156?
Oct 08 21:28:51 <derf> You'll have to #define DOUBLE_PRECISION to get kiss_fft_scalar typedef'd correctly.
Oct 08 21:29:04 <derf> Right.
Oct 08 21:29:10 <lardman> where should that be, config.h?
Oct 08 21:29:20 <crashanddie_> Good to know, my neighboor uses the Google Toolbar
Oct 08 21:29:40 <lardman> crashanddie_: ?
Oct 08 21:29:52 <lardman> you peeking at their wifi traffic?
Oct 08 21:30:01 <crashanddie_> me?
Oct 08 21:30:10 <lardman> :D
Oct 08 21:30:14 <crashanddie_> I'm just breathing the air.... waves
Oct 08 21:35:40 <lardman> derf: updated the config.h, Makefile and testcelt.c files and uploaded them
Oct 08 21:36:02 <lardman> Makefile looks like it needs a further tweak, getting a linker error
Oct 08 21:36:54 <lardman> dump_modes.c contains a main() fn, is this for testing?
Oct 08 21:37:16 <derf> Yeah.
Oct 08 21:37:28 <lardman> whole file can be removed?
Oct 08 21:37:32 <derf> Correct.
Oct 08 21:37:55 <lardman> cool, done, compiled and linked ok
Oct 08 21:38:14 <derf> How'd you handle the lrint stuff?
Oct 08 21:38:41 <lardman> Your float precision stuff got rid of the error
Oct 08 21:38:49 <lardman> lots of warnings in the code still though probably
Oct 08 21:38:51 <derf> Really? Not for me.
Oct 08 21:38:57 <lardman> hmm
Oct 08 21:39:01 <derf> And that wasn't float precision.
Oct 08 21:39:01 <lardman> which file is this?
Oct 08 21:39:09 <lardman> ah ok, my assumption
Oct 08 21:39:10 <derf> celt.c, including float_cast.h
Oct 08 21:39:56 <derf> It's really only used for converting between the float API and the fixed point API, which should be eliminated by #defining DISABLE_FLOAT_API, but even with that #define, it still includes the offending header.
Oct 08 21:40:20 <lardman> am just recompiling to see
Oct 08 21:40:56 <baddu> hi lardman. can i ask a dsp related question?
Oct 08 21:41:00 <lardman> hmm, well I have no complier errors or warnings, just a linker error about error: symbol _kiss_fft_celt_double is defined multiple times
Oct 08 21:41:04 <lardman> baddu: of course
Oct 08 21:41:52 <baddu> lardman: i want to reserve a relative large junk of memory for my dsp task. how can i know which address should i use with dspctl exmap ?
Oct 08 21:41:55 <lardman> derf: celt.c certainly complies for me, no problems
Oct 08 21:42:14 <derf> Huh.
Oct 08 21:42:15 <lardman> baddu: don't use dspctl
Oct 08 21:42:55 <lardman> baddu: you should specify the address in the DSP task, then you use mmap() on the ARM side to get a pointer to that memory
Oct 08 21:43:52 <baddu> lardman: ok, i have kind of done that but i still tougth i had to export the memory...
Oct 08 21:44:05 <derf> lardman: kiss_fft_single.c should not be in the compilation, I don't think.
Oct 08 21:45:11 <lardman> baddu: you've used the mmap_info struct on the DSP side? This is what sorts out the memory sharing
Oct 08 21:45:27 <lardman> derf: ok, I'll scrub it
Oct 08 21:45:51 <derf> I got all the way to 'error: can't open file 'dummy.cmd' for input'
Oct 08 21:46:08 <lardman> ah ok, you'll need one of those, I'll upload it
Oct 08 21:46:31 <lardman> done
Oct 08 21:47:31 <baddu> lardman: yes, i'm using large static arrays and mmap them to the arm side. i tought that i need to give some address when they are loaded to the dsp in the linker command file
Oct 08 21:48:28 <lardman> baddu: you need to specify where the shared memory will be placed, in either your linker command file or one of the existing memory sections
Oct 08 21:48:44 <lardman> baddu: you're passing data from ARM to DSP, the static data?
Oct 08 21:49:26 <lardman> or are you just wondering about where variables which are declared as static are placed?
Oct 08 21:49:41 <baddu> lardman: no from dsp to arm
Oct 08 21:50:06 <lardman> oh, what does you code do then (so I have some background)?
Oct 08 21:50:30 <baddu> lardman: and i have static array of 2M or at least i would like to have that :)
Oct 08 21:50:55 <baddu> lardman: its the opengl es stuff, i mailed you about that some time ago...
Oct 08 21:51:03 <baddu> :)
Oct 08 21:51:20 <lardman> ok, static data are placed in SARAM iirc (look in the avs_kernelcfg.cmd file to check the location), there's not enough space there
Oct 08 21:51:33 <derf> lardman: Okay, now I've got to 'error: linking files for incompatible targets'
Oct 08 21:51:51 <derf> With a bunch of .obj files inside 55xdsp.lib
Oct 08 21:51:52 <derf> lw
Oct 08 21:51:52 <lardman> baddu: so you'll need to place them in SDRAM
Oct 08 21:52:34 <baddu> lardman: ok, but there is no room for 2M strucutres I suppose
Oct 08 21:52:39 <lardman> derf: what libs are you trying to link against in the Makefile, is it my one?
Oct 08 21:52:43 <derf> Huh, you aren't even linking against 55xdsp.lib
Oct 08 21:52:54 <derf> How does that possibly work?
Oct 08 21:53:01 <lardman> baddu: you could #PRAGMA() the variable you create and place it in SDRAM
Oct 08 21:53:18 <lardman> baddu: does it need to be shared with the ARM-side, or do you just need more memory to store the data?
Oct 08 21:54:26 <lardman> derf: you don't actually need to link against the dsplib as it's already in the dsp kernel
Oct 08 21:54:30 <baddu> lardman: well, i need to send them to the arm when i draw the stuff with X, i guess sending it othervise than mmap would be slow
Oct 08 21:54:35 <derf> Oh, okay.
Oct 08 21:54:46 <lardman> baddu: but they are static values?
Oct 08 21:54:47 <crashanddie_> lol... he actually stores isohunt on google bookmarks
Oct 08 21:55:23 <baddu> no, sorry. not static. i meant static in that sense that not dynamically allocated
Oct 08 21:55:40 <lardman> baddu: ah, I see, so it's what, the framebuffer data?
Oct 08 21:55:41 <baddu> static so that always the same size
Oct 08 21:55:45 <lardman> ok
Oct 08 21:56:30 <baddu> lardman: yes, 800x480x5 values
Oct 08 21:56:41 <lardman> ok
Oct 08 21:56:59 <lardman> on the dsp-side use the mmap structure to define a variable which will point to your data and the size of the data
Oct 08 21:57:26 <lardman> you need to #PRAGMA the location of said variable (i.e. the array) to place it somewhere in a shared memory region
Oct 08 21:57:29 <baddu> about 2M, if i want that to be visible to the arm side i guess i have to have it in the same pointer
Oct 08 21:57:57 <lardman> only one region of shared memory can be shared, so everything you want shared will have to be in the same buffer
Oct 08 21:57:58 <baddu> or the same array variable, i think i can share only one array with mmap?
Oct 08 21:58:04 <baddu> yes
Oct 08 21:58:04 <lardman> yes
Oct 08 21:58:38 <woglinde> yes
Oct 08 21:58:40 <woglinde> *g*
Oct 08 21:59:13 <baddu> ok, and besides the #PRAGMA think do i need to declare  the address of that variable?
Oct 08 21:59:19 <baddu> yes yes :)
Oct 08 22:00:16 <lardman> baddu: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m6fe351d4
Oct 08 22:01:05 <lardman> or look at this, which I think is up to date: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/shared_memory_test/
Oct 08 22:01:59 <lardman> so no, you don't need to declare the address of the variable on the DSP side, that's handled for automatically (i.e. the DSP says where, then that is shared on the ARM)
Oct 08 22:02:41 <lardman> otoh, you can explicitly use a given address on the DSP side, for example if you had a FRAMEBUFFER memory section (which is special and has the framebuffer mapped to it automatically)
Oct 08 22:02:53 <derf> lardman: Anyway, it compiles now. Thanks for all your help.
Oct 08 22:02:58 <lardman> you might then create a pointer, and set its address manually
Oct 08 22:03:02 <lardman> derf: np
Oct 08 22:03:05 <baddu> ok, thats very nice. i haven't actually tested it with the actual program. i just  couldn't get the mmap test program to work before exmapping the memory
Oct 08 22:03:09 <lardman> derf: do you know how to install it?
Oct 08 22:03:17 <derf> I've got your slides.
Oct 08 22:03:30 <lardman> derf: cool, let me know how you get on
Oct 08 22:03:44 * lardman must finish writing up the slides
Oct 08 22:04:25 <lardman> baddu: is that the one that comes with dsp gateway, or my one?
Oct 08 22:05:06 <baddu> lardman: dspgateways one, although i modified it to compile as a module
Oct 08 22:05:21 <lardman> baddu: hmm, I'd skip that one and try mine
Oct 08 22:05:40 <lardman> or at least look at how the structure differs
Oct 08 22:06:23 <baddu> lardman: ok, i have that also, i had some problems loading all the programs to the dsp today (good old ABORTADR) and suddenly everything started to work again
Oct 08 22:07:10 <lardman> run "dsp_dld -p" in a other term to see what's causing the ABORTADR; as often as not it's because the dSP is being awkward and after a reset it works
Oct 08 22:07:27 <baddu> ok, thanks
Oct 08 22:58:04 <lardman> night all
Oct 08 23:16:20 <cyrus__> anyone here install deblet? I installed it but once it completed it just appeared to repeat the installatoin. I rebooted and was not presented with any option to boot into deblet
Oct 08 23:16:31 <crashanddie> Stskeeps, FOOT
Oct 09 00:37:36 <Deele> Anyone here?
Oct 09 00:38:47 <Deele> I have question regarding nokia 770
Oct 09 00:40:41 <Deele> Is there any possible way to make work any Java software on nokia 770 (OS2006)?
Oct 09 01:26:08 <crashanddie> Deele, no
Oct 09 02:17:53 <dick-richardson> I moved /etc/sudoers...how do i move it back?
Oct 09 02:26:11 <dick-richardson> I moved /etc/sudoers...how do i move it back?
Oct 09 02:30:17 <dick-richardson> anyone on?
Oct 09 02:43:48 <dick-richardson> must be some good pr0n
Oct 09 02:45:20 <bef0rd> what do you mean 'you moved' it?
Oct 09 02:45:50 <dick-richardson> I got it back...I ran 'sudo mv /etc/sudoers ./'
Oct 09 02:46:06 <dick-richardson> which makes it difficult to do anything as sudo
Oct 09 02:46:27 <dick-richardson> including moving it back :P
Oct 09 02:46:45 <bef0rd> :P I just use rootsh
Oct 09 02:47:47 <dick-richardson> I would have installed it, but that requires sudo access
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