**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 11 02:59:57 2008 Oct 11 05:15:42 in nokia n800 ---canola Oct 11 05:15:59 where can I save local cover art so I can assign them in some songs?? Oct 11 05:17:06 hi Oct 11 05:17:42 any one here familiar with maemo-mapper ? I am having troubles dowloading map repositories ...do you know if they are down ? Oct 11 05:17:47 or something changed? Oct 11 06:27:20 * vegai booted up his N810 first time in half a year :P Oct 11 06:27:52 new OS2008 looks fine. Oct 11 06:38:36 not many programs in the repos, though... Oct 11 06:39:15 ah, maemo extras is disabled by default Oct 11 08:31:38 gah @ Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/libh/libhildon/libhildon1_2.0.6-1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) Oct 11 08:31:43 (various packages) Oct 11 08:32:16 Lol, you have a dodgy internet connection :p. I just wgetted it from windows (!) fine :P Oct 11 08:35:21 yeah, it works again when i restart the process all over Oct 11 08:35:30 but it just connects badly occasionally Oct 11 08:35:39 and that's on a high-speed reliable uni line :P Oct 11 08:36:57 change mirrors Oct 11 08:37:06 doesn't your school have a local debian mirror? Oct 11 08:37:19 er, sorry, didn't read Oct 11 08:37:20 heh Oct 11 08:37:35 convince your school to put up a local maemo mirror :) Oct 11 08:38:44 i'm trying to hard to steer them onto deblet, so i doubt that'll happen :P Oct 11 08:39:12 johnx: i made xscreensaver conflict in latest nit-env-lxde btw (i don't really see a need for a screen saver when the screen already goes blank.. Oct 11 08:39:31 qwerty12: you know anything about oprofile? it has me stumped :P Oct 11 08:40:08 johnx: oh, and add ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL Oct 11 08:40:12 Stskeeps, No, sorry, never used it. Are you trying to compile your own kernel with it in or something? Oct 11 08:40:15 to /etc/sudoers with visudo, .. gksudo gets more sane Oct 11 08:40:22 qwerty12: nop, nokia provides oprofile kernels Oct 11 08:40:30 k Oct 11 08:40:34 Stskeeps, good deal. I think that makes sense Oct 11 08:40:48 i've made tablet-user do this automatically but "old users" need to do it manually :P Oct 11 08:41:05 Stskeeps, I done that as soon as I saw the first gksudo prompt :p Oct 11 08:41:30 hehe Oct 11 08:41:58 i like that solution cos it tells you it executed something with higher privileges Oct 11 08:42:54 (admittedly that isn't secure, but still Oct 11 08:43:45 if someone physically is holding your tablet, they can do anything. this just streamlines the process :) Oct 11 08:43:59 true Oct 11 08:44:24 or sshing in :P but that's another thing Oct 11 08:48:50 I'm sure there's a good privilege elevation trick or two available from ssh Oct 11 08:49:02 (on maemo I mean) Oct 11 08:49:50 did you do any kind of screen locking on beta3 btw? Oct 11 08:49:58 nope Oct 11 08:50:01 k Oct 11 08:50:03 no keyboard :P Oct 11 08:50:22 well i was talking about maemo-like screen locking, turning off touchscreen input Oct 11 08:50:30 aaah...nah Oct 11 08:50:35 cos deblet isn't very pocket friendly atm Oct 11 08:51:17 <|thunder> hey all, is anything on maemo affected by this nokia mini-map exploit ? http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/6726 Oct 11 08:51:43 |thunder, totally unrelated Oct 11 08:51:56 Lol, if only we had proper webkit... Oct 11 08:52:22 qwerty12, yeah, touch to scroll is the only thing missing in a webkit browser Oct 11 08:52:30 or drag to scroll, whatever it is Oct 11 08:53:03 johnx, I don't think we have any recent builds of webkit (although the QT one is probably more newer) Oct 11 08:53:18 qwerty12, for maemo, no I guess not Oct 11 08:53:21 <|thunder> i highly doubt that would be difficult to implement to a knowledgeable prog'r Oct 11 08:53:31 qwerty12, it shouldn't be a problem to build though Oct 11 08:54:19 johnx, probably. last time I tried, it failed at linking and seeing as it took a long time to get to that stage, I sure am not trying again Oct 11 08:58:36 Stskeeps, the touchscreen isnt technically disabled :$ at least not fully, when i was messing with liqbase and removed its bailout on background code it was still running and working when locked. it was only when i pressed a key i found out it was locked Oct 11 08:59:17 hm, interesting Oct 11 08:59:53 lcuk, how were you gathering input? reading the device? or with x11 events? Oct 11 09:00:13 ahm xsp touchscreen input Oct 11 09:00:38 hmm Oct 11 09:01:08 i think "locked" in the sense of normal programs is simply "x11 wont send events" Oct 11 09:01:13 * Stskeeps sets out to build nit-env-hildon Oct 11 09:02:41 <|thunder> is there an official place to report canola bugs ? Oct 11 09:03:22 |thunder, they seem to have a bug tracker on their garage page Oct 11 09:03:35 <|thunder> ok, thanks johnx Oct 11 09:03:37 (searched: canola bug tracker) Oct 11 09:04:19 ~curse Thomson firmware Oct 11 09:04:23 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Thomson firmware ! Oct 11 09:05:41 KILL KILL Oct 11 09:07:02 * johnx stabs busybox Oct 11 09:08:30 johnx, the irony, I want to find an exploit to be able to start busybox on this router... Oct 11 09:08:40 And I know it exists in /bin Oct 11 09:08:44 I only hate it sometimes Oct 11 09:09:13 Though my sister will stab me if I mess up this router... Oct 11 09:09:18 usually I don't mind it. I've been using it for years now, on different devices, but every so often I forget its cute little quirks Oct 11 09:10:14 * |thunder bought 2 new batterirs for n800 for 10$ with free shipping on eBay, YES ! Oct 11 09:10:26 <|thunder> real nokia ones too.... sweet Oct 11 09:10:34 <|thunder> *batteries Oct 11 09:11:22 I keep looking at that mugen 3.6Ah battery and figuring out if I need it Oct 11 09:11:58 <|thunder> is that special or somn' ? Oct 11 09:12:02 <|thunder> er, different ? Oct 11 09:12:25 ~lart every forum that isn't IPB or vBulletin Oct 11 09:12:25 * infobot runs at every forum that isn't IPB or vBulletin with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut Oct 11 09:12:30 2+ times more runtime than a nokia battery and a lot thicker Oct 11 09:13:05 <|thunder> if its too much thicker I wont be able to get my case closed, lol Oct 11 09:13:12 that's true Oct 11 09:13:25 the normal back cover won't work with it Oct 11 09:13:54 You'll have to use your own magnet or modify ke-recv... Oct 11 09:14:36 qwerty12, I figure some duct tape, a snoopy fridge magnet, and maybe room for a usb wimax/3g adapter, :) Oct 11 09:14:47 maybe add a bottle opener and a flashlight while I'm at it Oct 11 09:15:04 lol, N800 - Swiss Army Knife edition :P Oct 11 09:15:06 just the bare necessities Oct 11 09:15:39 huh...I could pull the useless camera and put something in that space... Oct 11 09:16:47 <|thunder> an IR transmitter would be nice Oct 11 09:16:58 <|thunder> id trade that for this shitty camera in a heartbeat Oct 11 09:17:10 i dunno Oct 11 09:17:14 IRDA is painfully slow Oct 11 09:17:41 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/fingerfriendly.png <- talk about finger friendly hildon.. Oct 11 09:17:45 (set dpi of X to 225.) Oct 11 09:17:55 <|thunder> i meant ir for using as a remote control , lo Oct 11 09:18:15 yay...hildon is broken when the x server tells the truth! awesome design! Oct 11 09:18:37 |thunder, ah, I suppose in bars it would be nice Oct 11 09:18:45 * johnx stares over at TV gathering dust... Oct 11 09:18:52 <|thunder> lol Oct 11 09:19:17 Dunno, it's fun to mess up people's games when they are using a slimline ps2... I was once in toys r rus messing up a game with my psp... Oct 11 09:19:51 qwerty12, aaah, they have the IR builtin, huh? Oct 11 09:20:06 johnx, yep *grin* Oct 11 09:22:31 maybe a detachable WRT-style wifi antenna, connected out the camera port? Oct 11 09:22:35 hm, hildon is still usable at 72dpi Oct 11 09:22:37 interesting Oct 11 09:23:45 my big pet peeve is apps that assume all screens are 96dpi and need to be lied to when that's not true Oct 11 09:24:34 * qwerty12 sighs at the shitload of GPL violations by Thomson Oct 11 09:24:45 qwerty12, no source? Oct 11 09:24:50 my big pet peeve is hildon/X on maemo not reporting the real DPI... Oct 11 09:25:06 Mek, well you now know the reason it doesn't :) Oct 11 09:25:45 yeah, but still it makes writing software that should also work well on non-broken X installs quite hard Oct 11 09:26:42 johnx, *everything* is shut off on this router. When I telnet in, I get some weird interface that is not a shell etc, when I ftp, I can only go into /dl. I know it's using the linux kernel, it's using the open source p910nd print server, it's using busybox, it's using samba and a whole load of other stuff :/ Oct 11 09:26:43 definitely, it's a huge, stupid broken cycle that Nokia should have *stopped* since they decided to basically make their own widget set anyways... Oct 11 09:27:25 qwerty12, if they provide source, they're not violating the GPL, even if they don't let you get root on it Oct 11 09:27:32 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/64dpi-hildon.png Oct 11 09:27:56 qwerty12: check if openwrt exists for it? Oct 11 09:28:43 johnx, no source at all. If there was source, it wouldn't take me long at all to add utelnetd into it. Thomson were also using dropbear on it but seem to have removed it Oct 11 09:28:50 Stskeeps, no openwrt for it :( Oct 11 09:29:39 got a model number? Oct 11 09:29:55 TG785 v7 Oct 11 09:30:26 that is a seriously unpopular router Oct 11 09:30:33 I'm currently a "root" user on the router after a bit of hacking but I still cannot get into / Oct 11 09:30:40 TG585 sorry Oct 11 09:30:49 johnx, yeah but it's what I got :/ Oct 11 09:31:13 ah, lots more popular now that you gave me the right name :) Oct 11 09:31:24 At any rate, it functions faster than my DG834GT (which is GPL compliant) Oct 11 09:31:30 heh :) Oct 11 09:33:00 qwerty12, so you have root, but can't trick it into running an arbitrary command? Oct 11 09:33:13 johnx, yep Oct 11 09:33:27 Well, root in the Thomson sense Oct 11 09:33:35 anyplace where it will list the contents of /dl ? Oct 11 09:34:22 if so maybe you can put a file up there that has an escape sequence in the name Oct 11 09:34:29 johnx, only via ftp Oct 11 09:34:53 though I can do an ls when I'm connected via ftp and it does mention /bin/ls Oct 11 09:36:04 qwerty12: could always try the serial port :P Oct 11 09:36:12 Somehow, someone managed to dump their filesystem from another router. I'm currently waiting on my computer to crack the /etc/passwd and seeing if the telnet daemon will accept those user names Oct 11 09:36:23 why crackw hen you can add? Oct 11 09:36:32 just add another :0 user :P Oct 11 09:36:32 Stskeeps, yeah, I don't have a jtag cable currently Oct 11 09:36:44 Stskeeps, I can't, I don't have access to the file system myself :P Oct 11 09:36:44 qwerty12: some only need a rs232 from old mobo :P Oct 11 09:36:46 ah Oct 11 09:38:19 qwerty12, does it have some functionality for installing firmware updates? Oct 11 09:38:39 johnx, yes, but only via a windows program Oct 11 09:39:20 qwerty12, well, sniff it :) Oct 11 09:39:35 maybe it does something really dumb, like upload a *special* filename to /dl via ftp Oct 11 09:40:11 That's a nice idea, thanks! I'll have to find the o2 firmware first though :) Oct 11 09:40:35 just think "If I was being forced to make a half-assed linux-based router, what easy shortcuts would I take?" Oct 11 09:41:48 Stskeeps, with deblet, how does it handle hildonized apps? do they run Oct 11 09:43:01 johnx, interesting, running :config save filename=whatever, produces a file called /dl/whatever. I'll see if I can do that from the web interface and try some url injection or something Oct 11 09:43:58 qwerty12, be careful not to brick it if it isn't yours :P Oct 11 09:45:43 johnx, yeah :D. O2 will screw at my sister and my sister will throw bricks at me :P. Though so far, with the web interface and their shell, I can't do much. I have to admit though, I am liking the features on this router. I'm tempted to buy an high end Speedtouch sometime and JTAG it Oct 11 09:46:11 what features specifically? Oct 11 09:46:33 just that it's fast? Oct 11 09:46:47 I like that it comes with SNMP :). For my DG834GT, I had to compile net-snmp manually and add snmpd into my "custom" firmware and code a dirty and quick cgi in C++ to link snmp settings to nvram Oct 11 09:47:04 It's also reliable and has stuff like ipqos which isn't bad for a home router Oct 11 09:47:15 ah, that's why I stick to really well supported routers, like WRTs Oct 11 09:47:21 lcuk: really depends if they use GTK extensions or not.. Oct 11 09:47:25 johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hidlet-battery.png Oct 11 09:47:32 (.. stolen, obviously) Oct 11 09:47:38 heh Oct 11 09:55:29 for some reason rc.local isn't getting run I think in deblet Oct 11 09:56:55 hm Oct 11 09:56:56 ? Oct 11 09:57:40 I added a couple lines to rc.local, but I think they aren't being run Oct 11 09:58:05 if I run /etc/rc.local it appears to work fine Oct 11 09:58:20 that's odd Oct 11 09:58:32 I'll confirm in a sec Oct 11 10:02:50 * Stskeeps compiles advanced-backlight Oct 11 10:05:42 Stskeeps, ha! got it. don't install mpd :) Oct 11 10:06:21 that's my lesson of the day Oct 11 10:06:30 Aww :(. Looks like I may have to switch to xmms2 instead in deblet :P Oct 11 10:06:48 qwerty12, I just need to figure out why it won't fork Oct 11 10:07:34 it stalled and nothing after it in rc2.d/ got run... Oct 11 10:08:11 The debian maintainer got a little excited on the init script... I made a version for the latest mpd that uses a more relaxed init script but still has the same checks and features. I'd give it you but it was on my tablet before I reflashed :( Oct 11 10:09:04 no worries, I think it's cause mpd isn't configured and is probably trying to open some sound output that isn't there Oct 11 10:09:14 ^guesses^ Oct 11 10:09:35 we have custom mpd in repo Oct 11 10:09:38 so just fix it Oct 11 10:09:38 :P Oct 11 10:09:47 custome mpd? eh? Oct 11 10:10:06 is the source hacked, or just the config? Oct 11 10:11:15 mm, debian package wrappings i think Oct 11 10:11:17 http://packages.tspre.org/pool/main/m/mpd/ Oct 11 10:11:30 i dunno, think it's a deb level hack he did Oct 11 10:11:51 (i added all of fatalsaint's packages when starting the repo) Oct 11 10:12:00 ah, ok Oct 11 11:07:20 nokia oddity of the day - requiring building their packages in .. scratchbox Oct 11 11:07:49 they won't build outside sb? Oct 11 11:07:51 that's pretty ... special Oct 11 11:08:05 it referred to /targets. Oct 11 11:08:05 :P Oct 11 11:08:11 ugh Oct 11 11:08:30 i'm starting to realize why hildon adaptation in distros isn't that high Oct 11 11:09:18 yeah, I tried to build a package somewhere else, only to fail :> Oct 11 11:09:24 (lfs-way) Oct 11 11:09:27 * johnx sighs Oct 11 11:10:57 i for one welcome our AI overlords to solve these bloody things once and for all. Oct 11 11:10:57 :P Oct 11 11:10:59 Nokia, why you always gotta make me hit you? Oct 11 11:14:59 of all my devices, the n800 wins hands down for easiest and most fun to reset when it hangs Oct 11 11:17:16 n810 rocks for popping battery :P Oct 11 11:17:20 .. when you get the cover off Oct 11 11:17:46 cover comes right off on the n800, then I just smack it to get the battery out Oct 11 11:18:18 I really enjoy it when I can *hit* a device for failing me (hanging) Oct 11 11:22:02 johnx: what's the usual reason for things not embedding into hildon space? not hildonized or? :P Oct 11 11:22:11 like, putting itself nicely in Oct 11 11:22:21 ah, you mean like the right border? Oct 11 11:22:46 well like that it doesn't embed itself nicely into the work areas :P Oct 11 11:22:58 how non-hildon apps tend to extend all the way to the edge? Oct 11 11:23:10 yeah Oct 11 11:24:09 yeah, 90% sure that's cause they're not hildonized Oct 11 11:24:22 mmk Oct 11 11:24:33 * Stskeeps wonders htf he made xterm put in the right place before then Oct 11 11:24:38 but different hildon themes have different sized borders, so if you select your theme properly it might be possible to just workaround, ie have everything extend that far Oct 11 11:24:57 ah Oct 11 11:25:03 why would we need such extensive work on it anyway? Oct 11 11:25:20 smells of design failure Oct 11 11:25:30 hm? Oct 11 11:25:40 AStorm, hildon? yes. I'm starting to miss qtopia Oct 11 11:25:45 and that's a bad sign Oct 11 11:25:47 well, gtk should properly size window to fit Oct 11 11:26:07 and if the wm wants a window in a certain place it should override it Oct 11 11:26:09 menus should be automatically converted Oct 11 11:26:17 johnx: yes, exactly Oct 11 11:26:21 it can do that Oct 11 11:26:58 then, the only things would be modding interfaces to conform to 700x350 resolution Oct 11 11:27:20 but now we have a lot of nice hildon apps, and it's a shame to just dump them and try and convince people to use "bob's new mobile desktop toolkit" Oct 11 11:27:26 working with input method more low-level should be easier too Oct 11 11:27:44 AStorm, as a gtk input method? or as X11 events? Oct 11 11:27:47 heck, either one Oct 11 11:27:50 e.g. have some "show it" message Oct 11 11:27:55 X events are more generic Oct 11 11:28:23 actually, two messages, one "show it and resize main window" (default) and "show it overlapping" Oct 11 11:28:45 next should be "hide it" Oct 11 11:29:24 it's currently fairly impossible to use it from anything else than gtk (even in qt it's broken - I'm sure it's being worked on) Oct 11 11:29:37 johnx: i'm definately having an uphill battle with hildon Oct 11 11:29:53 * Stskeeps wonders how many maemo apps that could run easily on normal gtk. Oct 11 11:29:58 Stskeeps, well, that's the *other* reason I changed course from beta2 to beta3 Oct 11 11:30:05 the "context" stuff is far too precise Oct 11 11:30:12 Stskeeps, de-hildonizing :D Oct 11 11:30:14 why the hell we need this context? let the toolkit manage it Oct 11 11:30:53 johnx: well, noone says they can't use hildon, but i wonder how libhildon acts when outside hildon.. Oct 11 11:31:00 it works Oct 11 11:31:13 but isn't any different from gtk, so nobody sane uses it ;P Oct 11 11:31:33 it's more work for the same result Oct 11 11:31:42 btw, do we have Python hildon bindings? Oct 11 11:32:10 Stskeeps, also, some apps behave strangely when they have a normal window manager Oct 11 11:32:13 easy to get Oct 11 11:32:23 johnx: examples? Oct 11 11:32:27 modest Oct 11 11:32:31 ah Oct 11 11:32:37 broken I guess ;P Oct 11 11:32:43 it tries to outsmart the WM? Oct 11 11:33:03 nah, it just relies on the wm to pick a window size Oct 11 11:33:09 this should be ok Oct 11 11:33:14 so you get this little 60x30 (or whatever) pixel window Oct 11 11:33:21 that's a WM bug Oct 11 11:33:31 or maybe it should provide a better size hint Oct 11 11:33:48 AStorm, then it's a consistent wm bug in like 5 mainstream wms Oct 11 11:34:03 ok, then it's probably modest providing bad size hints ;P Oct 11 11:34:25 it should either give 0,0 (means: WM's default) or something meaningful Oct 11 11:35:31 maybe someone ate two trailing zeros ;P Oct 11 11:35:39 and it was supposed to be 600x300 Oct 11 11:36:14 it's something small, I'd have to see exactly what it is again if you're interested Oct 11 11:36:26 nah, not interested enough Oct 11 11:36:35 I have another app to write myself Oct 11 11:36:47 and a hildon-im provider too Oct 11 11:38:42 also, I noticed that fn+space bound to tab produces a weird character Oct 11 11:38:53 I mean, a tab with some weird modifier Oct 11 11:38:58 (noticed by Qt) Oct 11 11:39:54 on the one hand, Nokia really did put together a good user experience. on the other, sometimes it makes me crazy... Oct 11 11:40:08 johnx: seems like ubuntu is really the foremost on hildon packages cos they actually use them :P Oct 11 11:40:13 ...and now I rendered my deblet install unbootable Oct 11 11:40:23 usbnet still off? Oct 11 11:40:41 Stskeeps, yeah, cause I decided I needed a physical keyboard Oct 11 11:40:46 heh...jokes on me :) Oct 11 11:41:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE <- i should really get around to implementing this Oct 11 11:42:11 your own flash video site, with long buffering times and patchy playback? :P Oct 11 11:42:23 I'm actually rewriting epitext, which drove me mad a bit ;P Oct 11 11:42:29 johnx: nah, deblet rescue menu Oct 11 11:44:02 yeah, that'd be pretty neat. Oct 11 11:44:10 wonder where i put the code.. Oct 11 11:47:28 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/menu.sh.txt <- the code is actually really simple Oct 11 12:01:02 * johnx gives up, sleeps Oct 11 12:41:36 hola Oct 11 13:02:34 Hey, why cannot I download the diablo image with my very valid id number? Oct 11 13:02:53 (if anyone knows alternative dl location than nokia official, that would be appreciated Oct 11 13:02:54 ) Oct 11 13:03:08 Official being: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php Oct 11 13:06:29 hmmm no-one around. Oct 11 13:07:20 konttori__: does it reject your number? Oct 11 13:07:28 yeah Oct 11 13:07:33 Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code. Oct 11 13:08:22 and this is my home n810 that is really an official n810 and not some weird proto Oct 11 13:09:14 hm Oct 11 13:11:38 konttori__: could always try the windows flasher one (thread on ITT i think) Oct 11 13:13:15 True. Perhaps I'll boot to windows today Oct 11 13:50:59 hi @ all... could someone please tell me howto edit the garage.maemo.org homepage? Oct 11 13:51:11 ... the html files not the adress.. Oct 11 13:51:50 whats the difference between internal memory and internal card as far as where things get installed to when using the application manager? Oct 11 13:52:19 thopiekar: editing the foo.garage.maemo.org page for your project? Oct 11 13:52:22 thopiekar: commit to www in your svn repository for the project Oct 11 13:53:34 thanks Oct 11 13:53:56 svn? isn't garage using cvs? Oct 11 14:24:43 GAN800: when booting deblet on beagle back then, did you see splash/console btw? Oct 11 14:24:46 just curious Oct 11 15:49:27 crashanddie, HAS YOUR HANGOVER GONE YET? Oct 11 15:55:28 What is it with those job opportunity scams nowadays? Oct 11 15:55:48 I am now getting 5-10 different ones in a row Oct 11 16:04:33 RST38h, consider yourself lucky Oct 11 16:05:41 * qwerty12 has never found receiving scam posts to be a sign of luck :) Oct 11 16:19:23 * Stskeeps ponders pros and cons of buying pizza tonight Oct 11 16:19:52 There's cons?!? Oct 11 16:20:04 lost time and money? Oct 11 16:20:27 by the time you figure that all out, you might as well have just got the pizza Oct 11 16:20:45 get a bacon topping and make it a double plus good Oct 11 16:20:57 well i either have to defrost stuff or wait an hour.. hmm :P Oct 11 16:21:00 * qwerty12 was a greedy shit last night... chicken burger, chicken wings and 2 bags of chips >.<. In my defense, I'd only asked for one bag of chips Oct 11 16:22:41 my mate once got in trouble after a night of heavy drinking (we were practically chased out of the chippy). he ordered *a* sausage, she heard it as *8* sausages and she dutyfully wrapped them for him (who was leaning heavily on the counter watching it all) when she put em on the counter and asked for money he almost fell over Oct 11 16:23:20 lmao Oct 11 16:23:51 he never went in there again Oct 11 16:24:24 mm, sausages Oct 11 16:27:26 does the package manager install packages to internal memory, internal card, or external card? Oct 11 16:28:27 internal memory. If you want to install to an external/internal card, clone the os to a card Oct 11 16:28:32 ~clone-sd Oct 11 16:28:39 ~boot-sd Oct 11 16:28:39 it has been said that boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Oct 11 16:31:23 so .. the cards have way more memory, but you cant install stuff to them without cloning the entire os? Oct 11 16:32:14 * Stskeeps went for the pizza. Oct 11 16:32:40 Congrats? :P Oct 11 16:32:53 yup. :> Oct 11 16:33:11 Stskeeps, which pizza distro did you choose? Oct 11 16:34:13 for tomorrow, olives, artiskok (?), tomato, cheese, chicken and onion, and today, a calzone with mushrooms, cheese, ham, shrimps and tomato :P Oct 11 16:34:37 #define M_MULFLAGS(R,D) \ Oct 11 16:34:37 R->CPSR = (R->CPSR&~(C_FLAG|V_FLAG|Z_FLAG|N_FLAG)) \ Oct 11 16:34:37 | (D? 0:Z_FLAG) \ Oct 11 16:34:37 | (D&N_FLAG) Oct 11 16:34:42 Oh shit, wrong window Oct 11 16:35:03 heh RST38h Oct 11 16:35:06 if I was in US, I'd be tempted to compile : http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ and try ordering from my N800 :P Oct 11 16:35:10 * lcuk did that last night Oct 11 16:55:02 lcuk: with your acmonitor cpu speed mod, did you have to do any tricks to get it to change the speed or does acmonitor run as root automatically? I just did a very quick mod to acmonitor to achieve the same as what you did with yours Oct 11 16:56:14 nothing odd, just inserted the cpufreq code i used to use in liqbase (now replaced by 3 simple scripts which are called with sudo ..) Oct 11 16:56:36 i thought it was some kind of kernal module anyway Oct 11 16:57:08 Thanks :), I just added in a quick system(... to where it detects if the charger is connected or not Oct 11 16:57:18 Nah, you have to be root to write to the sysfs entry Oct 11 16:58:51 yer and if its a kernel mod thats assumed Oct 11 16:59:16 i never gave it a second thought tbh lol - it talks to the system and works with it, its gotta have access already Oct 11 16:59:45 True :). I have a feeling it runs as root anyway as it's started by init Oct 11 17:00:08 make compiled it fine anyway, I'll package it when I buy yet another charger Oct 11 17:00:20 s/make/gcc I guess Oct 11 17:00:38 heh you arent having much luck with chargers Oct 11 17:01:07 I know! I swear, if my next one is messed, I'm just gonna swap it with my brothers... Oct 11 17:13:53 Stskeeps r u there Oct 11 17:15:31 cyrus__: mm? Oct 11 17:17:19 got a question about deblet.does italychange anything about the base os. Like kernel or startup scripts. Or is it pretty segregated if u install on internal flash Oct 11 17:18:13 cyrus__: if it changes anything in maemo, you mean? no, don't change any kernel stuff or startup scripts, except for bootmenu which alters initfs Oct 11 17:18:22 deblet isn't suited for internal flash however just right now Oct 11 17:18:41 deblet does ofcourse alter debian base OS on it's own installation, but yeah Oct 11 17:19:09 Why isnt it good for internal flash Oct 11 17:19:31 because we don't really fit in 256m :) i don't mean internal memory card, i mean internal flash Oct 11 17:19:46 K Oct 11 17:19:54 thank you. Oct 11 17:20:15 why'd you ask, - just curious? Oct 11 17:21:25 Just wondering. I tried to install xfce which i thought just installed on the sd card but when i rebooted maemo would not start Oct 11 17:22:53 So deblet just modifies initfs to provide the boot option and then it boots of wherever u installed it, right Oct 11 17:23:07 Stskeeps, with liqbase have you noticed this corruption thing Oct 11 17:24:57 cyrus__: yeah, and allowing to boot other things too Oct 11 17:26:25 Thanks for the info Oct 11 17:28:03 is it theoretically possible for the n8x0 to as a bluetooth headset? Oct 11 17:28:17 cyrus__: so you tried to install xfce inside maemo? Oct 11 17:28:42 ya. Did not work Oct 11 17:28:56 When i ran it nothing happened Oct 11 17:29:31 yeah.. it's not a trivial thing to do Oct 11 17:29:40 And when i rebooted half the screen came up with half the splash still showing Oct 11 17:29:49 which is why there's a need for stuff like deblet Oct 11 17:30:08 How is the speed of deblet Oct 11 17:30:33 Is there an app like canola and a gps app Oct 11 17:31:18 hehe.. i don't own a n810 but you're welcome to work on getting gpsdriver going on deblet :) Oct 11 17:31:36 we have the advantage of a lot of debian applications Oct 11 17:31:42 k Oct 11 17:31:45 so what exists on debian on normal desktop machines, we have Oct 11 17:31:50 K Oct 11 17:31:52 what exists on maemo we don't always have Oct 11 17:31:53 :P Oct 11 17:35:06 how do u port to deblet. Is there a doc out there or an sdk Oct 11 17:35:34 it's basically a normal debian linux Oct 11 17:36:05 so you can do two things, compile on tablet yourself, or compile in a qemu Oct 11 17:36:11 i use http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ myself as a qemu image Oct 11 17:36:20 all the development tools are availiable in both Oct 11 17:36:24 K Oct 11 17:36:43 we don't have a scratchbox (yet) sadly, even though it could be useful occasionally Oct 11 17:38:21 alright. I think the info i got so far will keep me busy for a few days. Later Oct 11 17:39:33 mm. calzone <3 Oct 11 17:40:35 wtf Oct 11 17:41:04 the evil twins? Oct 11 17:41:06 @ itt: "i installed android on my 770 and it fucked up and i sent it to nokia. nokia, man yourself up and answer these basic things!" Oct 11 17:41:18 wtf? Oct 11 17:43:47 indeed Oct 11 17:46:22 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24240 Oct 11 17:48:26 lol Oct 11 17:48:39 as in the Google OS? Oct 11 17:49:13 i don't know what's the name of whatever these people smoke but i'd like to know where can i find it and how much does it cost. Oct 11 17:52:46 hi there Oct 11 18:02:06 Moo, gnuton Oct 11 18:02:26 GNUton: Your latest maemo mapper .deb installs .desktop and .service files into / Oct 11 18:03:28 heh Oct 11 18:03:33 damn Oct 11 18:03:38 I just updated that today :P Oct 11 18:12:56 RST38h: I'm not a developer of maemo mapper! :P Oct 11 18:16:08 gnuton vs gnuite, heh Oct 11 18:16:08 :P Oct 11 18:26:48 Ah Oct 11 18:26:50 Sorry Oct 11 18:36:09 http://th96.deviantart.com/fs14/300W/f/2007/101/0/7/Big_Bad_Bunny_Eater_by_imaginism.jpg Oct 11 19:02:09 Stskeeps: :D I'm more strong than him! Thus I win! Oct 11 19:02:59 could this be the next in a long line of linux grudge matchs? Oct 11 19:04:55 in the red corner, bringing to the arena the whole world in his hands, gnuite. in the blue corner, bringing the world+kitchensinkwidget+severalgigs of ui, gnuton. the question is, which takes up more server space ... google earth or qt dev folder :P Oct 11 19:07:48 :D Oct 11 19:08:54 * GNUton are eating a chocolate cake... MmMMMm Oct 11 19:15:48 KILL, my little penguins, KILL Oct 11 19:16:16 okay, bluetooth PAN is bloody easy Oct 11 19:16:46 hcitool scan, pand --connect