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Oct 12 03:06:59 <srf21c> anyone know if there's a way to control the volume on the N800 from the command line?
Oct 12 03:07:56 <zakkm> of course there is
Oct 12 03:08:00 <srf21c> I'm able to contral vagalume from an ssh session...
Oct 12 03:08:06 <zakkm> what the command is is entirely different
Oct 12 03:08:06 <srf21c> which is pretty cool.
Oct 12 03:08:19 <zakkm> try alsamixer
Oct 12 03:08:22 <srf21c> enlighten me pleeze....
Oct 12 03:08:23 <srf21c> ok
Oct 12 03:08:29 <zakkm> i dont know if maemo uses alsa but if it does alsamixer would work
Oct 12 03:08:35 <srf21c> not found from the command line
Oct 12 03:08:43 <srf21c> .do you know the executable name?
Oct 12 03:08:50 <zakkm> damn
Oct 12 03:08:57 <zakkm> i dont know what maemo uses for audio
Oct 12 03:09:15 <zakkm> maemo multimedia architecture page says it uses alsa library
Oct 12 03:09:32 <zakkm> onesec
Oct 12 03:09:35 <srf21c> well that's what I was asking in the first place!!
Oct 12 03:09:49 <srf21c> And you said "of course there is"....hahah
Oct 12 03:09:54 <zakkm> does amixer work?
Oct 12 03:10:07 <zakkm> no i mean. .for anything in maemo / linux.. theres a commandline way..
Oct 12 03:10:10 <srf21c> let me check.
Oct 12 03:10:15 <zakkm> the gui just controls the commandline
Oct 12 03:10:24 <srf21c> nope
Oct 12 03:10:26 <zakkm> but what it is .. is entirely up to finding out
Oct 12 03:10:30 <srf21c> no love with amixer
Oct 12 03:10:34 <zakkm> oaky then i dont know
Oct 12 03:10:50 <cyrus__> Trying to install deblet on the internal memory card, and it fails saying - Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg reutrn error code (1). Chroot command failed
Oct 12 03:11:01 <cyrus__> then it says cleaning up after out md5sum. Press enter to close window
Oct 12 03:11:15 <zakkm> srf21c: it says it uses alsa, therefore amixer should work ..
Oct 12 03:11:28 <zakkm> cause thats alsa volume control command
Oct 12 03:12:27 <srf21c> nit:~# find / -name amixer
Oct 12 03:12:27 <srf21c> find: /mnt/initfs/sys/module/nousb/parameters/: Too many open files
Oct 12 03:12:27 <srf21c> find: /sys/module/nousb/parameters/: Too many open files
Oct 12 03:12:38 <srf21c> nada
Oct 12 03:13:05 <zakkm> amixer -c 0 set PCM mute
Oct 12 03:13:06 <zakkm> try that
Oct 12 03:13:39 <srf21c> there is no amixer binary.
Oct 12 03:13:42 <srf21c> that's the problem
Oct 12 03:13:58 <srf21c> nothing in the path, nor is there anything that turns up via  a file search.
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Oct 12 03:17:32 <zakkm> does alsaconf exist?
Oct 12 03:18:34 <srf21c> give me a minute please, and I'll check
Oct 12 03:20:02 <srf21c> nuttin.
Oct 12 03:20:16 <srf21c> nit:~# find / -name alsaconf
Oct 12 03:20:16 <srf21c> find: /mnt/initfs/sys/module/nousb/parameters/: Too many open files
Oct 12 03:20:16 <srf21c> find: /sys/module/nousb/parameters/: Too many open files
Oct 12 03:20:24 <zakkm> then i dont know
Oct 12 03:20:34 <srf21c> you're fired!!
Oct 12 03:20:35 <srf21c> haha
Oct 12 03:20:39 <srf21c> j/k.
Oct 12 03:20:43 <zakkm> according to the maemo multimedia page it says it uses ALSA and ALSACONF
Oct 12 03:20:51 <zakkm> therefore amixer, alsaconf and alsamixer should exist..
Oct 12 03:21:16 <srf21c> well I'm having a heck of a time finding them.
Oct 12 03:21:18 <zakkm> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/multimedia_architecture.html
Oct 12 03:21:28 <zakkm> maemo 3.x: Multimedia Architecture
Oct 12 03:22:09 <zakkm> alsa-lib  is the user-space library that applications use to access ALSA functionality. Through alsa-lib, you can have simple raw PCM audio playback and recording.
Oct 12 03:22:14 <zakkm> is right in the diagram of the N800
Oct 12 03:23:20 <zakkm> alsa includes Tools
Oct 12 03:23:21 <zakkm>     * alsactl
Oct 12 03:23:21 <zakkm> alsa includes  alsamixer, alsamixer, alsactl .. etc
Oct 12 03:23:45 <srf21c> I can't find the exes anywhere though...
Oct 12 03:24:49 <srf21c> well, executables, to be precise...
Oct 12 03:25:42 <zakkm> :(, dont know :(
Oct 12 03:25:56 <zakkm> i dont currently have a nokia NIT .. my n770 got wsod months ago and im saving up for n800 so i cant test myself.
Oct 12 03:29:29 <srf21c> ok, thanks for trying.
Oct 12 05:56:49 <LiraNuna> when does the WiMAX edition comes?
Oct 12 06:00:25 <Pavlov> came out a while ago i thought
Oct 12 06:06:02 <orangey> hey all!
Oct 12 06:06:17 <orangey> is there such a thing as a "maemo emulator" or a "maemo running in a VM" that I can use to test maemo?
Oct 12 06:10:42 <wnd> orangey, you should be able to run most of maemo stuff in scratchbox
Oct 12 06:10:52 <orangey> on that note, is now a good time to buy an n810?
Oct 12 06:10:59 <orangey> or should I wait for the new devices to be announced?
Oct 12 06:13:39 <orangey> wnd: thanks
Oct 12 06:17:44 <moontiger> orangey, the new one isnt due til mid next year so i would go for it
Oct 12 06:18:43 * moontiger watches the end of blade3
Oct 12 06:26:16 <bef0rd> ~sdk
Oct 12 06:26:17 <infobot> Software Development Kit
Oct 12 06:26:24 <bef0rd> hm
Oct 12 06:26:25 <RST38h> ~infobot
Oct 12 06:26:25 <infobot> rst38h, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/
Oct 12 06:26:31 <bef0rd> ~maemo-sdk
Oct 12 06:26:32 <infobot> i guess maemo-sdk is the development environment for the Nokia Internet Tablets, found here: http://maemo.org/development/
Oct 12 06:28:15 <bef0rd> <infobot> rst38h, I love abuse >_>
Oct 12 06:41:59 <RST38h> ~test
Oct 12 06:42:00 <infobot> Failed!
Oct 12 06:42:04 <RST38h> ~ping
Oct 12 06:42:05 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 12 06:42:08 <RST38h> ~pong
Oct 12 06:42:09 <infobot> ~ping
Oct 12 06:42:46 <moontiger> damn jessica biel is hot
Oct 12 06:43:52 * moontiger installs the maemo-sdk stuff
Oct 12 07:37:02 <melmoth> Anybody fluent with gstreamer ?
Oct 12 07:38:04 <melmoth> I can get a pic from the camera, but i do not understand how to stop the camera then (setting the gst pipeline status to GST_STATE_NULL does not seem to be the thing to do)
Oct 12 07:41:40 * Stskeeps yawns
Oct 12 07:50:13 <qwerty12> ~lart maemo policy
Oct 12 07:50:13 * infobot executes killall -TERM maemo policy
Oct 12 07:52:51 <Stskeeps> what'd you get hit with this time?
Oct 12 07:54:41 <qwerty12> I'd like to put something in user/net which seems fair but the maemo policy doesn't list user/net as an allowed section for stuff in user/ or anything similar to it (and no, I don't count communication to be similar). A fucking stupid decision considering most maemo stuff is for an *internet* tablet.
Oct 12 07:54:55 <Stskeeps> hehe
Oct 12 07:55:15 <qwerty12> user/other it is :)
Oct 12 07:55:24 <Stskeeps> i'm trying to auction for two ipaq 3630 and i'm really wondering if it's worth the hassle
Oct 12 07:55:29 <Stskeeps> even if i can get them for 10 quid
Oct 12 07:55:35 <Stskeeps> (in total)
Oct 12 07:56:04 <qwerty12> I remember those things in the argos catalogue dated about 7 years back :p
Oct 12 07:56:18 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 12 07:56:18 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 07:56:35 <qwerty12> You trying to run opie or something on it? :)
Oct 12 07:56:36 <Stskeeps> thinking my gf could use it for synching calendar and such at her new work but then agáin
Oct 12 07:56:39 <Stskeeps> maybe
Oct 12 07:56:48 <Stskeeps> with no bluetooth or wlan it's .. -kinda- boring
Oct 12 07:57:13 <qwerty12> The only old old windows ce device that I still quite like are the "handheld pc's"
Oct 12 07:57:23 <Stskeeps> but since from fresh price is like 5x the price, it's worth pursuing
Oct 12 07:58:28 <Stskeeps> did find a n800 for about 158 pound though in .dk
Oct 12 07:58:39 <qwerty12> Nice
Oct 12 08:07:43 * Stskeeps is doing battery rundown tests on deblet atm
Oct 12 08:07:56 <Stskeeps> to find out how long it can actually stay awake before dying being just idle
Oct 12 08:09:00 <Stskeeps> .. atleast 7-8 hours so far :P
Oct 12 08:09:11 <Stskeeps> but battery log doesn't look that good
Oct 12 10:44:07 <Mace`> changing banks sucks
Oct 12 10:45:19 <qwerty12> banks suck
Oct 12 10:48:22 <mavhc> the bank card system is so insecure, to give a shop money I have to give them my username (card number) and password (pin), and online I just need to give them my username
Oct 12 10:49:33 <qwerty12> really? all the online shops I've used come out with this verified by visa crap
Oct 12 10:49:58 <qwerty12> enter in the credit card number then I've got to put in the code on the back and then enter in some next passwords etc
Oct 12 10:55:12 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: you don't happen to have a roxterm src package do you?
Oct 12 10:55:34 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, nope. It was pretty much a straight compile though with some repacking at the end
Oct 12 10:55:39 <Stskeeps> k
Oct 12 11:14:06 <Mace`> hm.. cheapest computer i could build that doesn't completely suck is still $327
Oct 12 11:14:10 <Mace`> lame
Oct 12 11:14:29 <Mace`> i suppose i could have skimmed on the cpu a bit more
Oct 12 11:14:48 <johnx> it's the $20 here and $10 there that get you these days
Oct 12 11:14:58 <mavhc> make the case out of a shoebox
Oct 12 11:15:06 <Mace`> i'm just building something extremely simple
Oct 12 11:15:19 <Stskeeps> johnx: saw how bloody easy bluetooth PAN is?
Oct 12 11:15:30 <johnx> Stskeeps, in debian? not yet
Oct 12 11:15:31 <Mace`> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101069
Oct 12 11:15:38 <Mace`> that's what i'm building it with :)
Oct 12 11:15:46 <Mace`> i am actually thinking about building a few of those
Oct 12 11:15:52 <Mace`> to use as servers
Oct 12 11:16:19 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=232780&postcount=52
Oct 12 11:16:46 <Mace`> ah well.. i have to hook the leds up on this old dual p3/500 and shove it in the closet
Oct 12 11:16:58 <Mace`> need to check to bios too to make sure it doesn't halt on no video errors
Oct 12 11:17:01 <nano-> Are there any clutter repositories?
Oct 12 11:17:19 <nano-> or clutter is not usable on diablo?
Oct 12 11:17:23 <nano-> (with n810)
Oct 12 11:18:45 <lcuk> clutter requires a 3d driver and accelleration, unless you can pull a driver out from the netherregions I think we are screwed
Oct 12 11:18:58 <nano-> Check.
Oct 12 11:18:58 * lcuk wants clutter and all the rest of the 3d goodness
Oct 12 11:20:41 <Stskeeps> nano-: check as in you have something, or? :P
Oct 12 11:21:45 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i think "Check." in this context means "balls!"
Oct 12 11:21:52 <melmoth> Anybody here with stome gstreamer experience willing to have a look on a problem i have asking gst to stop the video feed ?
Oct 12 11:22:07 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 12 11:22:28 <lcuk> melmoth, whats not stopping, ive got very little experience but never had a problem stopping video when i want
Oct 12 11:22:42 <lcuk> (liqbase uses gstreamer camera stuff)
Oct 12 11:22:48 <nano-> Stskeeps: no.. check as in "thanks for the information, now i don't have to google any more"
Oct 12 11:22:54 <Stskeeps> hehe
Oct 12 11:22:57 <melmoth> i know. i read it today to see how you manage to stop it :)
Oct 12 11:23:06 <lcuk> heh
Oct 12 11:23:25 <melmoth> my sample code is here https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/phonehome/src/dsk_mgr.c?revision=414&root=sayhoo&view=markup
Oct 12 11:23:43 <melmoth> the idea is to be able to take a pic when the network connection is up
Oct 12 11:23:48 <lcuk> im extremely torn
Oct 12 11:23:59 <lcuk> bacon == goodness
Oct 12 11:24:00 <melmoth> (the whole stuff is suppoed to be an automatic call home application in case the tabket get stolen)
Oct 12 11:24:12 <lcuk> crispy bacon == making sore tooth sorererer
Oct 12 11:24:31 <lcuk> melmoth, how do you stop the big red light from coming on when the cam is in use
Oct 12 11:24:47 <melmoth> i do not underestand where i am supposed to put the pipeline in a pause state, or when to stop it.
Oct 12 11:25:05 <melmoth> as a result, once the connection is up, it takes a picture, but then, the red led keeps being on
Oct 12 11:25:19 <Mace`> http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Oct 12 11:25:20 <Mace`> wow
Oct 12 11:25:40 <melmoth> lcuk: stoping the big red light to come up is also i problem i have (but a less annoying one :) )
Oct 12 11:27:58 <lcuk> yeah, theres about a 5 second lead tiem between the light coming on and the stream starting
Oct 12 11:29:36 <lcuk> i dont know how often you expect to run the camera to take a shot, but have you tried closing the stream inside buffer_probe_callback after a successful picture
Oct 12 11:29:53 <lcuk> or do you just want to pause the stream but leave it alive for the duration of your software
Oct 12 11:30:11 <lcuk> (side effect would be camera locked from other software
Oct 12 11:30:17 <melmoth> i want to be able to stop as much ressourcexs as possible once  a pic is taken
Oct 12 11:32:57 <melmoth> Hmm; let see if i can close the stream in buffer_probe_callback
Oct 12 11:34:02 <lcuk> if i was doing this i would try to break the camera and gps and main controlling code into different modules and have them as call once functional items and not try to mingle everything
Oct 12 11:34:48 <melmoth> gps stuff is sort of working.
Oct 12 11:35:33 <melmoth> it store each position in a linked list, can save it to disk if needed.
Oct 12 11:36:03 <melmoth> and send it a remote xmlrcp server when the connection is up before foregtting about it
Oct 12 11:36:31 <melmoth> now, i would also like to be able to send some random pic taken when the connexion is up (where there are more change to have a face in front of the lens)
Oct 12 12:21:12 <dneary> Hi all
Oct 12 12:21:16 <dneary> Any gamers about?
Oct 12 12:21:33 <dneary> If a PS3 console is bought in the US, will I be able to play games bought in the UK on it?
Oct 12 12:25:49 <lcuk> dneary, google says ps3 is region free, but search more
Oct 12 12:25:51 <lcuk> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080327051559AAEJUV2
Oct 12 12:25:55 <solmumaha> dneary: i think games work, movies not so much
Oct 12 12:26:09 <lcuk> well dvds have always been regionlocked
Oct 12 12:26:44 <dneary> lcuk, solmumaha: Thanks
Oct 12 12:26:48 <Mace`> just mod it and rip the discs to mkv x264s
Oct 12 12:28:22 <johnx> I wonder if they manage to region lock the DVD drive on it when it's booted to linux...
Oct 12 12:28:23 <tibob> hi
Oct 12 12:29:23 <lcuk> johnx depends if the shipping dvd software honours the region, most legit soft will - with a nudge and a wink to unlock
Oct 12 12:29:25 <Mace`> think i'm going to buy an 8G SD to boot centos
Oct 12 12:29:48 <Mace`> the cheapest sata drives newegg had were 80G and cost $30
Oct 12 12:29:57 <Mace`> i was hoping to find something for $10 .. don't need that much space
Oct 12 12:30:03 <johnx> lcuk, as far as I know there aren't really any commonly available commercial "region-honoring" DVD playing softwares for linux
Oct 12 12:30:30 <lcuk> PowerDVD for Linux
Oct 12 12:30:42 <johnx> huh
Oct 12 12:30:48 <johnx> I wonder if anyone uses it on purpose
Oct 12 12:31:02 <Mace`> haha
Oct 12 12:31:04 <Mace`> i doubt it
Oct 12 12:31:20 <Mace`> i didn't even know there was a powerdvd for linux
Oct 12 12:31:26 <lcuk> johnx, depends if its part of the OOB experience or not
Oct 12 12:31:28 <Mace`> just like i was shocked to find out there was linux nero
Oct 12 12:31:39 <lcuk> thats a petty old lead i remember, i havent looked recently
Oct 12 12:32:26 <Mace`> i returned something to a store on friday and i'm pissed that i did because if i did it thurs instead of being so lazy my money would be back already
Oct 12 12:32:28 <lcuk> as much as we are hackers, we have to remember people are willing to pay for commercially supported products
Oct 12 12:32:52 <Mace`> lcuk - especially on macs
Oct 12 12:33:00 <Mace`> have you ever seen teh software people try to sell ?
Oct 12 12:33:11 <Mace`> some of it is like "why the fuck would anybody buy that"
Oct 12 12:33:12 <lcuk> especially now the netbooks are taking off, its something dramatic that has to change
Oct 12 12:33:31 <Mace`> if you do a google search for ssh
Oct 12 12:33:36 <lcuk> preinstalled with linux people buying them from the stores expect certain things to work as standard
Oct 12 12:33:41 <Mace`> you will find "ssh solutions" that cost around $500
Oct 12 12:33:48 <johnx> lcuk, not on linux, unless it's available from the start. DVD playing is pretty much a click away in ubuntu, IIRC
Oct 12 12:33:54 <lcuk> yes, like commercial vnc type services
Oct 12 12:34:03 <lcuk> people dont wanna mess and will happily pay if they work
Oct 12 12:34:12 <Mace`> well.. commercial vnc services have encryption usually
Oct 12 12:34:27 <Mace`> which i could see the reasoning behind wanting
Oct 12 12:34:29 <lcuk> its more the central server and router bypassing that appeals
Oct 12 12:34:32 <dneary> lcuk: Looks like there's still NTSC/PAL issues with the PS3
Oct 12 12:34:43 <lcuk> ahhh dneary, odd in a digital world
Oct 12 12:34:44 <Mace`> but the ssh solutions that cost 500-1000
Oct 12 12:34:49 <Mace`> that's just a scam :)
Oct 12 12:34:59 <lcuk> but its secure!
Oct 12 12:35:10 <johnx> I could never trust closed source un-vetted encryption...
Oct 12 12:35:19 <Mace`> me neither
Oct 12 12:35:28 <Mace`> funny thing is.. it probably uses the same sshkeygen :)
Oct 12 12:35:44 <Mace`> all it is is a front end for ssh... and it costs 400+
Oct 12 12:35:57 <Mace`> you can find a ton of them out there... it's a big ass scam
Oct 12 12:36:02 <Mace`> like cert authorities
Oct 12 12:36:07 <lcuk> and you get an SLA and agents to support it without ever having to hit the console yourself
Oct 12 12:36:10 <Mace`> i think that's the biggest scam of them all
Oct 12 12:36:24 <Stskeeps> johnx: deblet lasts 12 hours in idle on full battery btw
Oct 12 12:36:35 <johnx> Stskeeps, idle with wifi off or on?
Oct 12 12:36:40 <Stskeeps> wifi off, bluetooth off
Oct 12 12:36:46 <johnx> ick
Oct 12 12:36:50 <Mace`> so 2 hours with it on? :)
Oct 12 12:36:53 <johnx> I wonder what keeps it ticking
Oct 12 12:36:54 <dneary> lcuk: Sure - but the input to the telly is still analog, no?
Oct 12 12:37:03 <Stskeeps> this is without cpu usage applet too
Oct 12 12:37:10 <lcuk> dneary, depends on the telly i suppose
Oct 12 12:37:13 <dneary> lcuk: Maybe over HDMI it's not an issue?
Oct 12 12:37:31 <Stskeeps> johnx: then again 12 hour idle time for a much larger laptop is also impressive ;)
Oct 12 12:37:39 <lcuk> i wouldnt try a next gen HD console unless i had a next gen HD telly ;)
Oct 12 12:37:49 * lcuk huggles his wii
Oct 12 12:37:51 <johnx> Stskeeps, true enough.
Oct 12 12:38:10 <Mace`> wii does 720p
Oct 12 12:38:11 <Mace`> ;)
Oct 12 12:38:17 <Mace`> oh wait... maybe not
Oct 12 12:38:21 <johnx> Mace`, uhm no :)
Oct 12 12:38:26 <johnx> 480p I think
Oct 12 12:38:26 <solmumaha> dneary: send me an ntsc game and i'll test
Oct 12 12:38:33 <Mace`> it sure doesn't.. it does 480p
Oct 12 12:38:34 <Mace`> yeah haha
Oct 12 12:38:35 <Mace`> that sucks
Oct 12 12:38:37 <lcuk> it might upscale to it, but its not natively support i dont tihnk
Oct 12 12:38:42 * johnx 's wii is now region free :)
Oct 12 12:38:42 <dneary> solmumaha: muaahaha
Oct 12 12:38:44 <Mace`> no.. it doesn't
Oct 12 12:38:51 <lcuk> dneary, send me an ntsc ps3 and ill test it
Oct 12 12:38:51 <Mace`> i should play my wii.. haven't done so in a while
Oct 12 12:38:53 <Mace`> bbl
Oct 12 12:39:06 <dneary> You'll be lcuky
Oct 12 12:39:10 <lcuk> :D heh
Oct 12 12:40:45 <jkr> Ahoy
Oct 12 12:41:17 <johnx> avast!
Oct 12 12:41:27 <jkr> Is there a way to subscribe to IMAP folders in the standard mail client on OS2008?
Oct 12 12:41:40 <jkr> I can create folders, but I can't list folders that are already on the IMAP server.
Oct 12 12:42:03 <jkr> I tried creating an existing folder, but that fails.
Oct 12 12:43:51 <Stskeeps> anyone with experience with oprofile on n800/n810?
Oct 12 13:02:13 <Mace`> i have to find a battery for my old g3
Oct 12 13:02:32 <Mace`> it uses some strange 1/2AA 3.6v battery
Oct 12 13:37:43 * qwerty12_N800 charger history: 1xAC-3X, 3xAC-4X, currently: 1xAC-5X
Oct 12 13:40:50 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, have you considered that its time to replace your fingers :P
Oct 12 13:41:21 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, I'm sorry, but I must: You're doing it wrong.
Oct 12 13:41:52 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, lol, i'm always breaking things :p
Oct 12 13:41:59 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, how? :p
Oct 12 13:42:44 <johnx> i really don't know. I'm not the one who broke 4 (?!) ac adapters for one device
Oct 12 13:42:50 <lcuk> johnx, you've gotta let him off, hes young he must tug on it all day long
Oct 12 13:43:00 <johnx> gah
Oct 12 13:43:55 <johnx> only power source I had die on me was a craptastic pelican external PSP battery. made a whine, smokey smell, then wouldn't charge. like 3 months later there was a recall on them
Oct 12 13:44:03 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, my sony ericsson charger works and the charger for my broken n-gage :p
Oct 12 13:44:32 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, maybe in the north, yeh? :p
Oct 12 13:44:56 <lcuk> oooer johnx, i have to say though i was worried about the charger for 810 when i got it, its a very small needle and at such an odd angle, my old pda had a proper cradle
Oct 12 13:44:58 <johnx> is the plug physically breaking? or is some electronic component burning out?
Oct 12 13:45:31 <johnx> lcuk, agreed. I feel a lot better about the PSP/zaurus power adapter
Oct 12 13:45:37 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, burning out :/
Oct 12 13:45:52 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, ah, nevermind then about "doing it wrong"
Oct 12 13:45:53 <lcuk> have you got a surge protector on your mains side?
Oct 12 13:45:59 <johnx> do you live in an old house?
Oct 12 13:46:24 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, no, not upstairs anyway
Oct 12 13:46:31 <nano-> I have a build-prompt like this: [SB2 maemo diablo41_armel] daniel@purplehaze vala-0.3.5 $
Oct 12 13:46:34 <lcuk> might be an idea to get one
Oct 12 13:46:40 <nano-> But I can't do install as I have no perms nowhere..
Oct 12 13:47:07 <nano-> make install leads to permission denied, and sudo make install leads to sudo: must be setuid root
Oct 12 13:47:14 <nano-> Anyone knows what to do?
Oct 12 13:47:15 <johnx> lcuk, do surge protectors do anything to smooth out bumps in the power or do they just have a fast-acting fuse/breaker?
Oct 12 13:47:22 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, i'd say so but the electrics were rewired to make that modern
Oct 12 13:48:08 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, by a hobo with a glass bottle in a paper bag who pushed his tools in a stolen grocery cart?
Oct 12 13:49:16 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, lol, no :p. my brother's ac-4x that he keeps upstairs still works  :/
Oct 12 13:49:33 <lcuk> johnx, depends on the model i believe, but most should regulate and smooth the input to ensure nothing surges through.  some have larger diodes and components to handle larger variations, but they are heading towards UPS type devices then
Oct 12 13:49:45 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, different outlet than you use, right?
Oct 12 13:50:07 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, yeah
Oct 12 13:50:22 <lcuk> we cannot rule out the qwerty factor in all of this, i bet he has same trouble with the christmas tree lights
Oct 12 13:50:26 <johnx> nano-, maybe fakeroot make install or change the PREFIX when using configure?
Oct 12 13:50:53 <johnx> lcuk, ugh, I hate dealing with the fuses on those things...maddening
Oct 12 13:53:02 <lcuk> heh johnx, the last ups i had the misfortune to have to deal with the customer had sat there for about 3 weeks wondering why it had a big flashing red light on it, then wondered why their server went down
Oct 12 13:53:10 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, i'll try out that acmonitor i modded with the idea I stole from you :p. i'lll laugh if my implementation works because i remember how long your code for it was :p
Oct 12 13:53:11 <lcuk> "i thought it was flashing to tell me it was working"
Oct 12 13:53:30 <lcuk> my code wasnt long, ive still got it somewhere
Oct 12 13:54:03 <lcuk> it was only 3 minor functions to do the transfer, but the acmon code was integration into the existing program using the existing methods
Oct 12 13:54:41 <qwerty12_N800> i see, i went for the easier option :p
Oct 12 13:55:40 <lcuk> heh, i needed to do it as parameters so i could change my mind without changing the code
Oct 12 13:55:56 <lcuk> and it worked really well until i moved to diablo
Oct 12 13:56:06 <lcuk> then just havent reinstalled yet ;)
Oct 12 13:56:25 <qwerty12_N800> what happened?
Oct 12 13:56:53 <lcuk> nothin, i just havent installed it
Oct 12 13:57:06 <nikosapi> Hey, is there a way to access the "zoom" buttons (F7&F8) while the device is locked?
Oct 12 13:57:32 <lcuk> nikosapi, perhaps the term "locked" means something to you that it doesnt to others
Oct 12 13:57:55 <lcuk> though if you use the low level xsp library you CAN still access uncalibrated touchscreen events ;)
Oct 12 13:57:55 <nikosapi> heh
Oct 12 13:57:56 <qwerty12_N800> oh lol, mine stopped working suddenly and it took me a while to figure it out
Oct 12 13:58:36 <nikosapi> lcuk: If you've ever used an archos, even when it "locked" you can still access the volume controls
Oct 12 13:58:56 <nikosapi> it's really handy instead of having to unlock, change the volume then lock again
Oct 12 13:59:15 <nikosapi> and those buttons really don't get accidentally pressed
Oct 12 13:59:20 <lcuk> hmmm i thought headphones had volume on them
Oct 12 13:59:23 * lcuk might be mistaken
Oct 12 13:59:29 <nikosapi> not mine...
Oct 12 13:59:40 <lcuk> ahhh yeah, its my missuses
Oct 12 14:00:30 <lcuk> nikosapi, it does sound like a quantry though, not sure if you can get at the low low level stuff, but x11 blocks it
Oct 12 14:00:45 <nikosapi> darn
Oct 12 14:00:55 <qwerty12_N800> that's not a bad idea actually...
Oct 12 14:00:57 <lcuk> i only know because i was runnin my program happily one day (very touch screen oriented) and only when i pressed [esc] did i realise it was still locked
Oct 12 14:01:37 <nikosapi> hehe, well that's kind of the opposite of what I need :)
Oct 12 14:02:12 <lcuk> yeah lol, but there may be a low level entry point somewhere under x that you can poll
Oct 12 14:03:18 * qwerty12_N800 is looking at a more dubious method of doing it. those who know me will know what i'm looking at
Oct 12 14:03:20 <lcuk> i mean - SOMETHING is monitoring the keypresses - its the thing which brings up the "slide [| ] to unlock"
Oct 12 14:03:46 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, do you want the diff between mine and the original
Oct 12 14:03:50 <nikosapi> right
Oct 12 14:04:11 <nano-> johnx: using fakeroot... /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/include/vala-1.0': Read-only file system
Oct 12 14:04:28 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, that would be nice please
Oct 12 14:04:37 <lcuk> ermmmm, ive "lost" my 810 :S
Oct 12 14:04:52 <lcuk> its connected to the network but i cant see it anywhere
Oct 12 14:05:03 <nikosapi> hahaha
Oct 12 14:05:06 <krutt> lol
Oct 12 14:05:08 <qwerty12_N800> lol, no problems then :)
Oct 12 14:05:17 <nikosapi> ssh in and play something with mplayer :P
Oct 12 14:05:18 <lcuk> can i play a sound via ssh?
Oct 12 14:05:26 <krutt> connect it via ssh, and run mplayer with mp3
Oct 12 14:05:32 <krutt> lol
Oct 12 14:05:34 <krutt> yes
Oct 12 14:05:35 <krutt> ;)
Oct 12 14:05:41 <lcuk> k, just a mo
Oct 12 14:05:45 <nano-> johnx: i have no idea where to install otherwisee. my file system looks a bit funny when using scratchbox.. any hints?
Oct 12 14:05:55 <krutt> run the local mplayer on ur 810
Oct 12 14:06:09 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, if you have jott's led program, start that up too
Oct 12 14:06:52 <lcuk> nahhh i hate that glowing thing - it woke me once about 3 days after i bought it and everything else was dark - i thought the fluppin aliens had come to take me away
Oct 12 14:07:26 <qwerty12_N800> northerners and their delusions...
Oct 12 14:07:32 <lcuk> can i increase volume on the command line
Oct 12 14:08:04 <lcuk> cos its playin Anna Abreu and i cant hear her
Oct 12 14:08:06 <nikosapi> alsamixer
Oct 12 14:08:26 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, give me a min or 2. it's lonng to do nokia's way
Oct 12 14:08:45 <lcuk> Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc2/Video# alsamixer
Oct 12 14:08:45 <lcuk> -sh: alsamixer: not found
Oct 12 14:09:09 <nikosapi> huh, then there's gotta be a way to do it through dbus
Oct 12 14:09:36 <lcuk> i dont care if its dbus or dtaxi or even dtrain i just wanna find my nokia :'(
Oct 12 14:09:54 <lcuk> !! brb goin on a tour of the house
Oct 12 14:09:54 <povbot`> lcuk: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
Oct 12 14:10:06 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Oct 12 14:10:21 <qwerty12_N800> !kill infobot
Oct 12 14:10:21 <povbot`> qwerty12_N800: Error: "kill" is not a valid command.
Oct 12 14:10:30 <qwerty12_N800> arrgh
Oct 12 14:10:44 <qwerty12_N800> infobot, slap povbot
Oct 12 14:10:45 * infobot slaps povbot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
Oct 12 14:11:41 <lcuk> :D found it
Oct 12 14:12:00 <lcuk> now which numpty put it in the kitchen cupboard :|
Oct 12 14:12:02 <qwerty12_N800> nikosapi, there is a way, quite easy, let me find the command i used
Oct 12 14:13:14 <johnx> nano-, it's some cross stuff overlayed onto your real fs, it's not really meant to be able to install things into random places I'm sure
Oct 12 14:13:41 <johnx> nano-, so just ./configure --prefix=/home/nano/tmp/test
Oct 12 14:14:13 <nano-> johnx: oh :(
Oct 12 14:14:30 <johnx> nano-, what are you trying to do?
Oct 12 14:15:03 <nano-> I'm trying to install vala in my maemo build environment. It was dead easy in chinook, but things seem to have changed in diablo.
Oct 12 14:15:15 <nano-> or maybe my memory fails me
Oct 12 14:15:25 <johnx> sb and sb2 are kinda different
Oct 12 14:16:02 <johnx> I guess I should try sb2 again anyways
Oct 12 14:16:59 <Stskeeps> try to get a deblet sb2 running, - i almost threw my laptop into the wall doing it
Oct 12 14:17:02 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 14:17:11 <qwerty12_N800> nikosapi, lcuk (better late than never :p) : gconftool -s -t int /apps/osso/sound/master_volume 100
Oct 12 14:17:15 <johnx> Stskeeps, we seem to be facing the same impasses recently :)
Oct 12 14:17:37 <nikosapi> heh, nice
Oct 12 14:17:39 <lcuk> lol qwerty12_N800 :D excellent, but ive found it now :P
Oct 12 14:17:49 <lcuk> good old detective work ;0
Oct 12 14:18:14 <lcuk> is there a gconf tool option to prevent leaving it in the wrong place?
Oct 12 14:18:14 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, i know :) blame gconf-editor not being in diablo extras :p
Oct 12 14:27:57 <lcuk> hmmm where do i get diff for my device from - i thought it must be installed cos doesnt svn use it
Oct 12 14:28:21 <qwerty12_N800> svn has an internal diff afaik
Oct 12 14:28:24 <Stskeeps> diffutils
Oct 12 14:28:32 <Stskeeps> don't think it's in extras
Oct 12 14:28:40 <Stskeeps> maybe sdk :P i miss it occasionally too
Oct 12 14:28:44 <Stskeeps> or tools
Oct 12 14:29:11 <lcuk> ive got sdk repo configured but theres no diff* type things there
Oct 12 14:29:15 <qwerty12_N800> if you can't get it, then it's no problems :), thank you though
Oct 12 14:29:50 <lcuk> do you just want the source :)
Oct 12 14:30:22 <qwerty12_N800> that would be good thanks :)
Oct 12 14:35:01 <Stskeeps> johnx: you better not to go to sleep right now
Oct 12 14:35:07 <Stskeeps> got pretty screenshot coming up
Oct 12 14:35:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 14:35:37 <johnx> Stskeeps, gah...I really was gonna sleep
Oct 12 14:35:38 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i bet johnx could find much prettier screenshots :P
Oct 12 14:35:42 <johnx> you're a horrible influence
Oct 12 14:35:50 <johnx> both of you
Oct 12 14:35:58 <lcuk> heh
Oct 12 14:39:00 <qwerty12_N800> ~seen alterego
Oct 12 14:39:02 <infobot> alterego <n=alterego@cpc3-cmbg11-0-0-cust590.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 227d 22h 19m 21s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get maemo.rubyx.co.uk back up.'.
Oct 12 14:39:13 <qwerty12_N800> shitfuck
Oct 12 14:39:37 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, looks like you just missed him
Oct 12 14:39:58 <qwerty12_N800> damn! i blame the charger
Oct 12 14:40:06 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, looking for ruby or alterego?
Oct 12 14:40:22 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, alterego :)
Oct 12 14:40:29 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/deblet-mobile.png
Oct 12 14:40:52 <johnx> Stskeeps, very, very nice
Oct 12 14:40:54 <lcuk> sts, very crisp
Oct 12 14:41:04 <Stskeeps> now, i dunno why the fonts look weird but hey..
Oct 12 14:41:07 <johnx> Stskeeps, background is a little blurry though :/
Oct 12 14:41:12 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, *thumbs up*
Oct 12 14:41:38 <lcuk> Stskeeps, is that a dialog window, can these tihngs be made fullscreen
Oct 12 14:41:38 <Stskeeps> johnx: ported all the ubuntu mobile packages
Oct 12 14:41:39 <Stskeeps> johnx: ported all the ubuntu mobile pack:P
Oct 12 14:42:02 <johnx> lcuk, just the popup from the clock I think
Oct 12 14:42:04 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 12 14:42:18 <johnx> Stskeeps, that sounds like a lot of pain and compiling
Oct 12 14:42:32 <lcuk> yeah johnx, but like most of these dialogs, i want them fingerfriendly
Oct 12 14:43:23 <johnx> lcuk, I agree. There's no reason to not make basically everything full screen
Oct 12 14:44:01 <lcuk> if done correctly it works and helps focus on whats important :)
Oct 12 14:45:05 <Stskeeps> johnx: yes
Oct 12 14:45:49 * lcuk goes tidying
Oct 12 14:45:51 <johnx> Stskeeps, how does it feel?
Oct 12 14:45:59 <johnx> the desktop I mean, not the compiling
Oct 12 14:46:09 <johnx> lcuk|hooverin, get a roomba :P
Oct 12 14:46:15 <lcuk|hooverin> heh
Oct 12 14:46:38 <Stskeeps> johnx: well i can't really start that much.. not sure what the launcher is supposed to do
Oct 12 14:46:41 <lcuk|hooverin> i cant fit "lcuk|overseeing the hooverin cos i dont know how to turn it on"
Oct 12 14:47:07 <lcuk|hooverin> kids make ideal roombas, but need more supervision ;)
Oct 12 14:47:23 <lcuk|hooverin> back later
Oct 12 14:47:32 <johnx> 'later
Oct 12 15:10:40 <RST38h> "He finished 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy and crashed three jet fighters during his career as a pilot, only to be bailed out by his father, who was an admiral at the time. He may also have been involved in the 1967 fire on the aircraft carrier Forrestal which destroyed the ship and caused the deaths of 133 sailors."
Oct 12 15:10:51 <RST38h> Quiz: Who is is worthy airman?
Oct 12 15:11:20 <qwerty12> McCain
Oct 12 15:14:51 <johnx> forums make me want to cry sometimes
Oct 12 15:15:40 <RST38h> But of course
Oct 12 15:15:48 <RST38h> johnx: not kill all the other posters?
Oct 12 15:16:11 <johnx> nah, I remember being that dumb^Wnaive once
Oct 12 15:16:46 <RST38h> still, killing-all-humans is worth any justification
Oct 12 15:17:16 <johnx> but it's such a fulltime job
Oct 12 15:17:44 <Stskeeps> johnx: did kouroro even work for you?
Oct 12 15:17:50 <Stskeeps> it breaks bigtime for me
Oct 12 15:18:03 <Stskeeps> like, doing stuff that's not in apis etc
Oct 12 15:18:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, I tried on the zaurus and there are other ... issues with it I think
Oct 12 15:18:24 <johnx> it's using ibex versions of hildon I think
Oct 12 15:18:37 <johnx> did you build the hardy versions or ibex versions?
Oct 12 15:18:41 <Stskeeps> yeah, but so am i :P
Oct 12 15:18:48 <johnx> madness
Oct 12 15:18:53 <johnx> you went the full 9 yards, eh?
Oct 12 15:19:10 <Stskeeps> it fails on simple stuff like gtk.gdk.Color() etc
Oct 12 15:21:20 <johnx> I don't see where the bootsplash is started. am I missing something?
Oct 12 15:21:43 <Stskeeps> in deblet? /lib/init/splash-functions
Oct 12 15:22:01 <johnx> but, what's the init script that calls that first?
Oct 12 15:23:05 <Stskeeps>  /etc/init.d/rc
Oct 12 15:23:25 <johnx> thanks, I think I was being dumb
Oct 12 15:27:49 <Stskeeps> can be disabled with rescue menu as well now
Oct 12 15:29:37 <johnx> if I reinstall bootmenu will that give me the rescue option?
Oct 12 15:30:21 <Stskeeps> oh, this is a deblet thing
Oct 12 15:30:25 <Stskeeps> outside bootmenu
Oct 12 15:30:59 <johnx> so maybe I'll just do a clean install then since mine is crudded up with half installed hary/ibex hildon stuff
Oct 12 15:31:00 <Stskeeps> you rm'ed the usbnet-emergency-telnetd init.d link i presume?
Oct 12 15:31:02 <Stskeeps> hehe
Oct 12 15:31:11 <Stskeeps> so's mine atm :P
Oct 12 15:31:18 <johnx> anything new and beta I should triy? :)
Oct 12 15:31:18 <Stskeeps> though it's not complaing in apt
Oct 12 15:31:46 <Stskeeps> hehe. i fixed up nit-env-lxde a little bit to avoid screensavers and such and made bluetooth applet appear on boot
Oct 12 15:31:48 * johnx 's typing tonight is awful O_o
Oct 12 15:32:13 <Stskeeps> same here.. cooking a pizza atm, think i'm low on blood sugar
Oct 12 15:32:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 15:35:03 <whodat> so.. the n810 has two memory cards in it? one thats like 256meg (where the os/apps are installed) and one thats 2gig?
Oct 12 15:35:55 <Stskeeps> whodat: 256mb internal flash, 2gig internal SD card, and possibility to put a SD card in externally
Oct 12 15:36:24 <johnx> hmm...my a-data sd card is toast I guess :|
Oct 12 15:37:32 <whodat> stskeeps: could I move like /usr to the 2gig internal..mount it there? so i could put apps on there instead? i know you can put the entire os there but that seems overkill.
Oct 12 15:37:56 <johnx> whodat, it's way more complicated to just put /usr there compared to putting the whole OS there
Oct 12 15:38:24 <johnx> you lose a lot by having it split up and don't gain anything
Oct 12 15:38:26 <whodat> maybe.. but it makes more sense logicly heh
Oct 12 15:38:41 <johnx> from a unix perspective, yes, it makes more sense
Oct 12 15:38:54 <whodat> on ubuntu i mount /home to a seperate partition for instance
Oct 12 15:38:56 <johnx> from an embedded systems perspective, it makes less sense
Oct 12 15:39:29 <whodat> ahh. well, okay... ...why? ;)
Oct 12 15:40:33 <johnx> basically, if you're going to be powering the sd card the whole time, and have files mounted off it, you might as well keep two completely separate OSes installed for redundancy
Oct 12 15:41:06 <whodat> actually I think it would have made more sense to just drop the 256mb on the device and install the OS to the 2gig internal. although, okay. its probably slower than flash.
Oct 12 15:41:32 <johnx> I think that was mostly for backwards compatibility with the n800
Oct 12 15:41:44 <whodat> so its not slower?
Oct 12 15:41:52 <whodat> flash vs internal sd card
Oct 12 15:42:10 <johnx> well, the flash uses a compressed filesystem, so it's probably going to be slower
Oct 12 15:42:18 <whodat> wow
Oct 12 15:42:19 <johnx> I don't think the internal sd card is a hi-speed model though
Oct 12 15:42:55 <whodat> maybe i should just move the whole OS then. this 256meg limit sucks
Oct 12 15:43:10 <johnx> did you already fill it up with apps?
Oct 12 15:43:17 <whodat> yeah
Oct 12 15:43:50 <johnx> and you already removed the instruction manual, example pictures and video and music?
Oct 12 15:44:10 <johnx> I really am curious, what do you have installed that's taking so much space?
Oct 12 15:44:50 <whodat>  /dev/mtdblock4          255488    161896     93592  63% /
Oct 12 15:45:14 <whodat> i still have 93meg but just thinking about the fiture
Oct 12 15:45:26 <johnx> ah, I see
Oct 12 15:45:34 <johnx> tell me when you fill it up then :)
Oct 12 15:45:54 <johnx> and remember, that it's a compressed FS *and* the apps are generally really small
Oct 12 15:45:56 <whodat> oh, so i dont have to wipe it to copy it over
Oct 12 15:46:09 <johnx> also, it started at 50% full :D
Oct 12 15:46:14 <johnx> nope, just copy over to SD
Oct 12 15:46:25 <whodat> yeah 93meg is so tiny on a PC... so maybe my perception is wrong ;)
Oct 12 15:47:00 <johnx> think of it as about 1.5 times that much
Oct 12 15:47:22 <whodat> well, i tried installing maemo maps from the package manager and it errored, i thought it erroed due to out of space but that must not be the case.
Oct 12 15:47:38 <johnx> nah, there was a problem with it recently
Oct 12 15:47:43 <johnx> the new 2.5 should fix that
Oct 12 15:48:02 <whodat> so i have to wait?
Oct 12 15:48:04 <johnx> also, when you isntall it you *should* remember to have it store maps on the internal SD card
Oct 12 15:48:11 <johnx> nah, 2.5 is out
Oct 12 15:48:18 <johnx> just refresh the app manager
Oct 12 15:48:22 <whodat> yes, i was hoping it would prompt me with an option to do exactly that
Oct 12 15:48:34 <johnx> it's in the settings for map repositories
Oct 12 15:48:38 <johnx> in the app once it's installed
Oct 12 15:49:07 <whodat> also, i cant for the life of me get the SIP phone working with my vonage account.
Oct 12 15:49:23 <whodat> i read on the forums where you need to rename a lib in gstreamer, i did that, still same problem.
Oct 12 15:49:55 <whodat> it connects fine, green light and all which means it successfully signed into my vonage account, but when i try to make a call it rings once and then connection failed.
Oct 12 15:50:09 <whodat> okay, trying maemo maps agin.
Oct 12 15:50:24 <Robot101> whodat: you can run the SIP backend on the console to watch the logs
Oct 12 15:50:41 <Robot101> whodat: SOFIASIP_PERSIST=1 TPORT_LOG=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip
Oct 12 15:51:06 <whodat> Robot: yes! thats what i have been trying to get! logs! i have found nothing in /var/log i thought i had to installed ksyslog
Oct 12 15:52:08 <whodat> meh.. i need nano on this device, lol
Oct 12 15:52:39 <johnx> think of it as your opportunity to learn vi :)
Oct 12 15:53:20 * whodat can't stand vi.
Oct 12 15:53:58 * qwerty12 couldn't at the start but I learnt the serious basics and don't mind it now
Oct 12 15:54:18 * qwerty12 only knows about 5-7 vi commands
Oct 12 15:54:24 <whodat> yeah i know enough about it to make the change robot gave me, but i just dislike it.
Oct 12 15:54:28 <RST38h> whodat: there is pico
Oct 12 15:54:39 <johnx> there is nano somewhere I know
Oct 12 15:54:39 <whodat> rst38: nano==pico
Oct 12 15:54:45 <RST38h> begone you, vi adepts!
Oct 12 15:54:51 <johnx> heh
Oct 12 15:54:59 <johnx> I was forced to learn vi on a zaurus 5500
Oct 12 15:55:00 * nano- \o/
Oct 12 15:55:19 <qwerty12> lol
Oct 12 15:55:27 <johnx> 16MB rootfs means you don't have much space to spare on frivolous editors
Oct 12 15:55:39 <qwerty12> johnx: you had a keyboard :P
Oct 12 15:56:04 <johnx> qwerty12, whodat has an n810 :P
Oct 12 15:56:18 <qwerty12> Fine :P
Oct 12 15:56:25 <whodat> can i ssh -X to ubuntu and run ubuntu apps that way on the n810? lol
Oct 12 15:56:48 <qwerty12> Yep, you can do but it doesn't work with everything. But I remember seeing firefox being ran like that...
Oct 12 15:56:52 <johnx> whodat, yeah, for the most part I would think
Oct 12 15:56:57 <whodat> and how about the other way 'round.. runn maemo apps on ubuntu
Oct 12 15:57:18 <johnx> some are hardcoded to use DISPLAY=:0 it appears
Oct 12 15:57:22 <whodat> or i guess there is a vnc server for maemo
Oct 12 15:57:26 <johnx> some just misbehave
Oct 12 15:57:34 <qwerty12> eww, not as such. there is n800/n810 emulation which I have set up somewhere
Oct 12 15:57:47 <johnx> vnc would be fine I'm sure
Oct 12 15:57:53 <qwerty12> Yeah, vnc ftw
Oct 12 15:58:01 <qwerty12> ssh -X to computer. not so much : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/N800XForwarding-test.png
Oct 12 15:58:28 <johnx> ~lart sapwood
Oct 12 15:58:29 * infobot duct-tapes sapwood to the floor and drools on him
Oct 12 15:58:51 <whodat> qwerty12: so whats the real error there? unable to get window id?
Oct 12 15:59:00 <whodat> (on your screenshot)
Oct 12 15:59:35 <johnx> one of the big ones that will affect the apps is "Failed to connect to sapwood server using ..."
Oct 12 15:59:35 <qwerty12> whodat: no idea, I was only trying it to see if it could be done. but like johnx larted, it's probably sapwood
Oct 12 15:59:51 <whodat> whats sapwood
Oct 12 15:59:59 <qwerty12> theme server
Oct 12 16:00:07 <qwerty12> it's open source though which is nice
Oct 12 16:00:08 <whodat> ahh i thought it used gnome
Oct 12 16:00:32 <johnx> sapwood is an image server for the hildon gtk theme engine
Oct 12 16:00:54 <qwerty12> s/theme server/what johnx said :P
Oct 12 16:01:31 * qwerty12 makes a note to tar.gz sources before uploading them to server
Oct 12 16:03:31 <qwerty12> Ooh, that's nice. VMWare Workstation for Linux is saying it won't expire.
Oct 12 16:12:22 <dystopia> can also use VMware Player
Oct 12 16:15:44 <RST38h> Computer game millionaire Richard Garriott is now in orbit.
Oct 12 16:17:34 * vegai salutes Lord British
Oct 12 16:19:49 <whodat> bah.. which repository has vnc server
Oct 12 16:21:31 <RST38h> If he burns on reentry, will his posessions end up in some RPG dungeon for players to pick?
Oct 12 16:30:11 <lopz> hola
Oct 12 16:34:10 <whodat> hey, is there a way to get rid of the status bar at the bottom (shows abc , possible words you want to type , etc)
Oct 12 16:34:24 <whodat> i dont like it popping up when i am using terminal
Oct 12 16:37:34 <johnx> just disable it in the control panel, under text input I think
Oct 12 16:39:45 <xorAxAx> can i get the screen package for my maemo device?
Oct 12 16:39:55 <xorAxAx> its not in chinook (extras)
Oct 12 16:41:17 <johnx> for diablo it's in the tools repo
Oct 12 16:41:33 <johnx> for chinook, check gronmayer.com/it
Oct 12 16:45:05 <whodat> john: i messed with those settings, no luck.
Oct 12 16:45:11 <whodat> thats the first place i went lol
Oct 12 16:46:42 <whodat> i installed canola, but when launching streams from the browser, the default player is still used :(
Oct 12 16:46:59 <whodat> which doesn't suppor the stream i am trying to play, but i know canola does.
Oct 12 16:47:20 * Stskeeps wonders when he'll get lynched for talking too much about deblet.
Oct 12 16:47:27 <riot> hmm.. is maemo-mapper currently broken?? I can't use the hardware keys anymore (they just scroll the map up a bit)
Oct 12 16:47:37 <johnx> Stskeeps, I spammed this channel way more before you :)
Oct 12 16:49:34 <johnx> whodat, if you disable all the text prediction options it should go away
Oct 12 16:49:57 <Stskeeps> johnx: was really in relation to http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24254 :P
Oct 12 16:50:37 <johnx> Stskeeps, I saw that and just stepped away...
Oct 12 16:50:40 <Stskeeps> hehe
Oct 12 16:50:44 <Stskeeps> i don't mind a good flamewar
Oct 12 16:50:44 <johnx> not your post I mean
Oct 12 16:50:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 16:52:03 <Stskeeps> but in honest, if people want to have good environments, it's about time they get more involved
Oct 12 16:52:14 <Stskeeps> even though there's a thousand opinions
Oct 12 16:52:32 <johnx> for the pandora, angstrom looks like a good solution actually
Oct 12 16:53:57 <Stskeeps> i wonder if it's possible to do a debootstrap that builds the packages as it goes
Oct 12 16:55:04 <Stskeeps> .. or something
Oct 12 16:55:13 * Stskeeps is not happy about the non-optimization so
Oct 12 16:59:27 <xorAxAx> johnx: thanks
Oct 12 17:08:12 <xorAxAx> johnx: hmm, chinook has screen according to gronmayer, but only on maemo.org. can i simply add the maemo.org lines or would they conflict with tableteer?
Oct 12 17:09:05 <johnx> xorAxAx, if I were you I would just grab it from debfarm
Oct 12 17:09:11 <johnx> that's where I got it
Oct 12 17:09:12 <xorAxAx> oh, whats that?
Oct 12 17:09:23 <johnx> the other repo listed on gronmayer.com/it :)
Oct 12 17:09:37 <xorAxAx> ah :)
Oct 12 17:12:01 <whodat> johnx: any idea how to make canola the default player so the browser launches it instead of the default media player
Oct 12 17:12:22 <johnx> whodat, look for something called dbus-switchboard
Oct 12 17:13:04 <whodat> k thx
Oct 12 17:13:18 <johnx> though I won't promise that what you want to do is easy
Oct 12 17:13:26 <xorAxAx> Cannot find terminfo entry for 'linux'.
Oct 12 17:13:43 <johnx> might need libncurses-something
Oct 12 17:13:45 <qwerty12> apt-get install ncurses-base (I think)
Oct 12 17:14:00 <johnx> xorAxAx, ^what he said^
Oct 12 17:14:09 <whodat> johnx: i am supprised there isnt an option in the canola settings. i mean.. it supports streaming.. but yet doesnt attach that capability to the browser (which is where streaming is usually initiated)
Oct 12 17:14:12 <xorAxAx> thanks!
Oct 12 17:14:40 <johnx> whodat, and for that we need to have a long talk about mime types and why nokia needs to stop reinventing the wheel
Oct 12 17:14:42 <Stskeeps> johnx: midori is bloody fast btw
Oct 12 17:14:50 <johnx> Stskeeps, yes
Oct 12 17:14:57 <whodat> johnx: heh
Oct 12 17:15:11 <johnx> Stskeeps, I tell people this, but they don't listen
Oct 12 17:15:20 <johnx> it eats memory after a while though :/
Oct 12 17:15:24 <Stskeeps> maybe
Oct 12 17:15:25 <johnx> but try google maps
Oct 12 17:15:27 <Stskeeps> i did
Oct 12 17:15:30 <Stskeeps> i was really impressesd
Oct 12 17:15:35 <whodat> midori?
Oct 12 17:15:35 <johnx> it's like *usable*
Oct 12 17:15:36 <Stskeeps> microb can go home and die after that
Oct 12 17:16:01 <johnx> ahaha
Oct 12 17:16:08 <johnx> whodat, midori web browser
Oct 12 17:16:30 <whodat> hmmm ;)
Oct 12 17:16:52 <Stskeeps> johnx: i wonder how good it would be if it was optimized armv6 :P
Oct 12 17:17:18 <johnx> maybe a little better?
Oct 12 17:17:46 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - u around?
Oct 12 17:20:27 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: mm?
Oct 12 17:21:57 <whodat> ls -l
Oct 12 17:22:05 <whodat> woop wrong window
Oct 12 17:22:22 <whodat> ls -l
Oct 12 17:22:58 <whodat> what the heck.. robot told me to edit telepathy-sofiasip but it appears to be a binary file
Oct 12 17:23:15 <cyrus__> Stskeeps -I tried 3 times yesterday to intall deblet on my internal memory card but it always fails when tyring to install nit-env-lxde
Oct 12 17:23:25 <cyrus__> it just basically says chroot command files
Oct 12 17:23:29 <johnx> whodat, <Robot101> whodat: you can run the SIP backend on the console to watch the logs
Oct 12 17:23:29 <johnx> <Robot101> whodat: SOFIASIP_PERSIST=1 TPORT_LOG=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip
Oct 12 17:23:45 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - and then it exits
Oct 12 17:23:58 <whodat> yeah, am i interpreting that wrong? i take it that he wants me to edit that file and insert that SOFIASIP line
Oct 12 17:24:00 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: alright, can you paste me the last lines in there before it dies?
Oct 12 17:24:12 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: i didn't do a install recently so i dunno if my altered packages break anything
Oct 12 17:24:17 <johnx> whodat, all you have to do is type exactly what he told you to
Oct 12 17:24:35 <johnx> whodat, you set two env variables on the same line as the command
Oct 12 17:25:00 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - ok..this was late last night so I shut it off, will have to run the install again (takes about an hour) so I will post it once it gets there
Oct 12 17:25:34 <whodat> oh. i always do export BLAH="<setting>" i didnt know you could start typeing a variable right on the cmd line like that, cool
Oct 12 17:26:02 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: alright - sorry for any troubles, we don't have a "stable" dist just yet, but when that comes there'll be a process for moving things to the stable edition i guess
Oct 12 17:27:29 <cyrus__> no prob. The thing is I installed it on the external card a week ago with no issue
Oct 12 17:27:35 <cyrus__> now trying to do the internal card and it fails
Oct 12 17:27:46 <cyrus__> is there any performance difference between using the internal vs external?
Oct 12 17:28:07 <cyrus__> also, how much space should I need for deblet...I made the partition 1500 megs
Oct 12 17:28:53 <Stskeeps> internal vs external? no, - regarding "a week ago", i did a hell lot of work the last week ;), 1500 megs should be more than enough for lxde
Oct 12 17:29:16 <whodat> telepathy-sofiasip[1470]: GLIB MESSAGE default - sip-connection: unknown event #8 'nua_i_outbound', status 407 'Proxy Authentication Required'  (nh=0x34fd0)
Oct 12 17:29:20 <whodat> hmm
Oct 12 17:31:03 <cyrus__> ok...it is running now....will let you know
Oct 12 17:34:05 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: if you know python / shell script and have a good way to log everyone done in the process and still allow interaction, you're welcome to find out :P
Oct 12 17:45:12 <robink> pfah, I'm uninstalling QT3
Oct 12 18:03:51 * lcuk yawns
Oct 12 18:19:58 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, did you try that version?
Oct 12 18:21:28 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, yep, working beautifully, i changed packaging a bit to add settings automaticallly and to run dbus-uuidgen
Oct 12 18:22:13 <lcuk> nice :) like i said it was just a test at this end, obviously it can go a little further now
Oct 12 18:22:54 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Oct 12 18:23:02 <lcuk> i did want to do one other thing - which was add a whole set of options for Locked/Unlocked
Oct 12 18:23:42 <lcuk> ie battery.locked == powersave,    battery.unlocked == performance
Oct 12 18:24:23 <qwerty12_N800> that does sound useful :)
Oct 12 18:24:37 <lcuk> + charging.locked == performance,    charing.unlocked == performance
Oct 12 18:25:12 <lcuk> but it was just a bit too far, its all profiles and would require an interface to configure correctly before users get the wrong end of the stick
Oct 12 18:26:09 <lcuk> i might see what would be needed to do the background code and see if we can tie into advanced brightness ;)
Oct 12 18:27:10 <lcuk> infact, thinking about it, that would be the best place for it..
Oct 12 18:27:27 <cyrus__> StsKeeps - the install is going and I do see a few messages stating WARNING: the following packages cannot be authenticated
Oct 12 18:27:29 <Stskeeps> you use dbus scripts for it?
Oct 12 18:27:39 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: which ones per chance?
Oct 12 18:28:28 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: if it's hald-addon-bme and friends, it's okay
Oct 12 18:28:30 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i would want it configurable, the only problem i ever had with the way acmon worked was that it just took on faith the brightness it was set to before changing and no actual visible configuration place
Oct 12 18:28:31 <cyrus__> bt-firmware, cx3110x-umac-module, osso-dsp-modules-rx-44
Oct 12 18:28:38 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: that's fine
Oct 12 18:28:40 <cyrus__> wlan-firmware
Oct 12 18:28:40 <cyrus__> k
Oct 12 18:28:43 <Stskeeps> we can't authenticate those o
Oct 12 18:28:44 <Stskeeps> so
Oct 12 18:30:40 * qwerty12_N800  wishes carman install wasn't a mess
Oct 12 18:30:53 * Stskeeps wishes networkmanager wasn't a jerk
Oct 12 18:33:41 <GAN800> qwerty12, do you have a car? :P
Oct 12 18:34:23 <lcuk> he can install it on his skateboard
Oct 12 18:34:59 <lcuk> carman needs a K.I.T.T skin
Oct 12 18:35:13 <lcuk> including turbo boost button
Oct 12 18:35:27 <qwerty12_N800> GAN800, I had a feeling  you were gonna say that :p. Nope, but I'll use simulation :D
Oct 12 18:43:21 <xollox> does anyone know how to get around the xulrunner installation problems for the most recent version of fennec?
Oct 12 18:45:38 * Stskeeps begins yet another round of torture-the-tablet
Oct 12 18:46:09 <lcuk> my god Stskeeps think of the tablets' children
Oct 12 18:46:22 <moontiger> morning guys
Oct 12 18:46:23 <moontiger> :)
Oct 12 18:46:36 * moontiger yawns and stretches
Oct 12 18:46:44 <lcuk> hey moontiger
Oct 12 18:46:56 <Stskeeps> moontiger: want to see pretty battery graphs?
Oct 12 18:47:03 <Stskeeps> (from hal)
Oct 12 18:47:07 * moontiger nods 
Oct 12 18:47:09 <moontiger> yeah yeah
Oct 12 18:49:21 <moontiger> Stskeeps, im working on the monitor thingy and its fun ... dbus is... interesting
Oct 12 18:50:03 <lcuk> ummm, silly q, how do i tell svn to grab latest stuff from garage (im in scratchbox vmware thingy now for building package) and i did one svn import a few days ago, but it wont let me regrab latest
Oct 12 18:50:15 <moontiger> svn co
Oct 12 18:50:33 <lcuk> well i thought that, but its moaning that theres not enough args
Oct 12 18:50:44 <moontiger> svn co --username=xxx --password=xxx http://vvv /var/where to put it
Oct 12 18:50:58 <lcuk> ahh but i thought once i did that it cached them
Oct 12 18:51:05 <moontiger> noooo
Oct 12 18:51:10 <lcuk> or is that user dependent - i had to do the fakeroot thingy
Oct 12 18:51:12 <moontiger> an svn client will do
Oct 12 18:51:17 <moontiger> like rapidsvn
Oct 12 18:51:20 <Stskeeps> moontiger: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/battery.pdf
Oct 12 18:51:20 <moontiger> but cmd line doesnt
Oct 12 18:51:30 <Stskeeps> (various HAL attributes)
Oct 12 18:51:41 <Stskeeps> don't have remainingtime though on there
Oct 12 18:51:48 <lcuk> moontiger, it caches here on tablet, cos i just do 'svn commit -m "blah" '   and it remembers who i am
Oct 12 18:52:07 <lcuk> and where it needs to go
Oct 12 18:52:15 <moontiger> Stskeeps, how are you getting those graphs?
Oct 12 18:52:17 <Stskeeps> moontiger: and scale is minutes
Oct 12 18:52:25 <Stskeeps> moontiger: small script with hal-get-property
Oct 12 18:52:27 <moontiger> are you polling?
Oct 12 18:52:34 <Stskeeps> yeah, once a minute
Oct 12 18:52:49 <Stskeeps> (the graphs are horrid. idle deblet dies after 12 hours)
Oct 12 18:52:51 <moontiger> ok ... im hacking in thru dbus to add a listening callback for change notifications
Oct 12 18:53:03 <Stskeeps> that's probably more power conserving
Oct 12 18:53:04 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 18:53:13 <moontiger> yah ... im hoping
Oct 12 18:53:15 <moontiger> :)
Oct 12 18:53:35 <moontiger> lcuk, i dont know about caching then but i know thats how i do check outs
Oct 12 18:53:55 <lcuk> ok ill try one last thing before digging out full info
Oct 12 18:54:07 <moontiger> brb gotta shower before heading off to brunch ... dodge the fighter jets and all that
Oct 12 18:54:29 <derf> svn co checks out a new working copy. So it won't use any cache.
Oct 12 18:54:35 <derf> svn up should update to the latest version.
Oct 12 18:55:01 <moontiger> derf ... svn co only chacks out latest
Oct 12 18:55:06 <moontiger> i use it all the time
Oct 12 18:55:09 <lcuk> ahhh thanks derf, the naming of the actions is a little offputting
Oct 12 18:55:37 <derf> Talk to CVS.
Oct 12 18:55:53 <derf> And probably BCS/RSC before them.
Oct 12 18:55:57 <derf> *RCS
Oct 12 18:56:24 <derf> (I have fortunately forgotten everything I once knew about RCS)
Oct 12 18:56:46 <lcuk> derf, yeah ill get used to it
Oct 12 18:56:51 <lcuk> thanks
Oct 12 18:57:25 <moontiger> derf, svn co *doesn't* only get latest changes?
Oct 12 18:57:39 <lcuk> grabs from a new repo
Oct 12 18:57:44 <moontiger> nu uh
Oct 12 18:57:54 <moontiger> i use it all the time for updating web projects etc
Oct 12 18:57:56 <derf> moontiger: I've never run it in an existing repository.
Oct 12 18:58:06 <derf> Maybe it does something smart in that case.
Oct 12 18:58:07 <moontiger> ahhhhhhhhhh well it works just fine if you do
Oct 12 18:58:15 <moontiger> you do an initial chack out
Oct 12 18:58:34 <moontiger> then any check ins upload changes and subsequent check outs only pull changes down
Oct 12 18:58:50 <moontiger> exactly what i thought lcuk was asking for
Oct 12 18:58:58 <moontiger> <--- confused
Oct 12 18:59:15 <derf> Well, if you'd like to not keep typing the username, password, and repository each time, consider svn up
Oct 12 18:59:34 <moontiger> ahhhhhhhhh so thats the diff ... it caches all the data for the connection etc
Oct 12 18:59:39 <moontiger> wow good to know thnx :)
Oct 12 18:59:40 <lcuk> its ok moontiger i was as well, i was looking for svn up but mistook it for co because thats what i had used last time
Oct 12 19:00:27 <moontiger> derf, i use a php script to update web projects to the live site from the repo so i always use the co form as there is no "state" between checkouts
Oct 12 19:00:46 <moontiger> but the up thing is good to know
Oct 12 19:00:59 <derf> moontiger: You actually want svn export
Oct 12 19:01:08 <moontiger> no i tried that too
Oct 12 19:01:23 <moontiger> i dont mind having a live version on the web site
Oct 12 19:01:32 <moontiger> the export dumps everything evry time
Oct 12 19:01:38 <derf> Well, that doesn't leave the .svn directories everywhere.
Oct 12 19:01:44 <moontiger> the co only grabs changes
Oct 12 19:01:44 <derf> And it also doesn't cache your password.
Oct 12 19:01:44 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - all these selecting previously deselected packages messages - are they okay?
Oct 12 19:01:49 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: yeah
Oct 12 19:01:54 <Stskeeps> just means it's taking in packages
Oct 12 19:02:00 <Stskeeps> "selecting" them
Oct 12 19:02:07 <moontiger> i use .htaccess (or httpd.conf) to hide any folders with "."
Oct 12 19:02:25 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: be absolutely sure to write something in Real name when it asks you, same with password/username
Oct 12 19:02:40 <moontiger> i find it more efficient to use co
Oct 12 19:02:47 <moontiger> but i used to use export
Oct 12 19:04:09 <derf> I mean, unless you're committing things all the time, it probably doesn't make much difference.
Oct 12 19:04:32 <derf> Or if your repository is huge.
Oct 12 19:05:17 <cyrus__> Stskeeps -k. I have been doing that
Oct 12 19:05:38 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - just trying to get to that part so I can go for a run and let it finish off and get to the error
Oct 12 19:06:02 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: you might have to watch for the error, might help pinpoint i guess
Oct 12 19:06:06 <moontiger> derf, yah web sites tend to have a lot of small files that don't change every version
Oct 12 19:06:10 <cyrus__> k
Oct 12 19:06:30 <moontiger> so exporting them takes a few seconds (or more over slow link) and the site is "broken" while its happening
Oct 12 19:06:56 <derf> Nah, export to a temporary directory and then mv it in place.
Oct 12 19:07:34 <moontiger> well it still doesnt make sense (to me) to export all the files every time when 90%+ havent changed
Oct 12 19:07:41 <derf> Otherwise you could have an inconsistent state with only some of the files updated when a hit comes.
Oct 12 19:07:41 <moontiger> but i see where you're coming from
Oct 12 19:24:09 <AStorm> well
Oct 12 19:24:24 <AStorm> latest pidgin still fails at connecting to GaduGadu
Oct 12 19:27:53 <AStorm> hmm, no, it connected apparently
Oct 12 19:32:48 <whodat> when starting maemo mapper, it tries to find the gps, just keeps saying 'searching for gps receiver' and the gps icon at the top appears and dissappears
Oct 12 19:33:13 <AStorm> yay, it worked :)
Oct 12 19:33:31 <AStorm> the only failing thing now is downloading contacts from server :)
Oct 12 19:34:07 <AStorm> whodat: did you change any settings pertaining to GPS?
Oct 12 19:34:46 <whodat> i chose the /dev/...  (second setting)
Oct 12 19:34:51 <AStorm> wrong
Oct 12 19:34:55 <whodat> for n810 internal gps
Oct 12 19:34:56 <AStorm> set bluetooth GPS
Oct 12 19:35:03 <AStorm> no, internal is also bluetooth: )
Oct 12 19:35:12 <whodat> thats really odd
Oct 12 19:35:20 <AStorm> that's the way it is
Oct 12 19:35:41 <whodat> its going wirelessly to its own built in gps? heh
Oct 12 19:35:46 <AStorm> no
Oct 12 19:35:52 <AStorm> it goes internally loopback to it
Oct 12 19:36:00 <lcuk> if i just click on a newer version of a .deb from a webpage that i initially installed from mmc will it update the internal one or create duplicate?
Oct 12 19:36:00 <AStorm> leave the device field empty
Oct 12 19:36:31 <Veggen> lcuk: It will update the internal one, if the package name is the same.
Oct 12 19:36:32 <lcuk> ahhh tis ok, it updates :)
Oct 12 19:37:01 <lcuk> i feel better now, n2 has latest liqbase :)
Oct 12 19:37:36 <zakkm> Is there a way to make the browser open mplayer when it detects it is an avi file ?
Oct 12 19:37:47 <zakkm> and "stream" it?
Oct 12 19:37:51 <whodat> astorm: i can use this without having to buy the gps package from nokia?
Oct 12 19:38:24 <qwerty12_N800> zakkm, dbus-switchboard, mplayer-plugin
Oct 12 19:38:32 <zakkm> so its possible?
Oct 12 19:38:37 <zakkm> okay :)
Oct 12 19:38:38 <lcuk> you buy the updated software elements within "map", but the gps is yours to keep
Oct 12 19:39:16 <lcuk> you are free to stand around trying to get a lock as much as you like without paying any extra money
Oct 12 19:40:52 <zakkm> GPS on the n800 charges?
Oct 12 19:41:22 <lcuk> gps on the n800 works almost as good as gps on the n810
Oct 12 19:41:29 <whodat> querty: what about doing it for canola2 rather than mplayer
Oct 12 19:42:24 <zakkm> Is canola2 stable yet? Last i used it was like March 08 .. and it wasnt quite that stable
Oct 12 19:43:00 <mavhc> canola never really crashes, it sometimes doesn't start, and can't pause properly though
Oct 12 19:43:21 <zakkm> is the n800 fast in OS2008?
Oct 12 19:43:27 <zakkm> ohh
Oct 12 19:43:40 <zakkm> Is it faster to use maemo .. from SD card.. or from internal memory?
Oct 12 19:43:51 <qwerty12_N800> whodat, no idea
Oct 12 19:43:59 <qwerty12_N800> zakkm, sd card
Oct 12 19:44:11 <moontiger> zakkm, i find a cheap external gps generally gives me better lock times than the internal gps
Oct 12 19:44:11 <zakkm> k, I'll do that then
Oct 12 19:44:39 <zakkm> No, i just want to have it to fool around with/ impressive people with it
Oct 12 19:44:50 <zakkm> Not to use for GPS purposes
Oct 12 19:44:52 <moontiger> well its not so impressive when it doesnt get a lock
Oct 12 19:44:54 <moontiger> ;)
Oct 12 19:45:03 <zakkm> why wouldnt it get a lock ?
Oct 12 19:45:21 <moontiger> the internal gps has been known to be rather slow
Oct 12 19:45:37 <zakkm> o well
Oct 12 19:45:41 <zakkm> hows the camera like on the n800 ?
Oct 12 19:45:48 <moontiger> make sure u use the agps package too
Oct 12 19:45:57 <moontiger> <--- has n810
Oct 12 19:46:19 <zakkm> oh
Oct 12 19:46:23 <zakkm> N810 is too expensive for me.
Oct 12 19:46:25 <qwerty12_N800> zakkm, same as on n810. crap.
Oct 12 19:46:33 <zakkm> I found the N800 for $170~200 used.. N810 is store is 359.99
Oct 12 19:46:34 <mavhc> speaking of the camera, how do I do video calls to PC users?
Oct 12 19:46:43 <moontiger> gizmo
Oct 12 19:46:49 <zakkm> Does skype work too?
Oct 12 19:46:55 <moontiger> not with video
Oct 12 19:46:59 <zakkm> My friends do skype video convos and i would like to join them
Oct 12 19:47:58 <moontiger> gizmo + video | skype - video
Oct 12 19:48:12 <zakkm> Would there be some "hack" to get it to work in skype?
Oct 12 19:48:20 <moontiger> no skype is closed source
Oct 12 19:48:23 <moontiger> it doesnt do it
Oct 12 19:48:32 <zakkm> skype has the block?
Oct 12 19:48:35 <moontiger> yes
Oct 12 19:48:46 <zakkm> oh.
Oct 12 19:48:53 <lcuk> zakkm, when i saw skype advertised with n810 and saw it had a camera i did same as you
Oct 12 19:49:00 <lcuk> was shocked it didnt include cam support
Oct 12 19:49:01 <moontiger> yah me too
Oct 12 19:49:04 <zakkm> I didnt buy it yet.
Oct 12 19:49:11 <zakkm> I used to own a N770 but i got WSOD..
Oct 12 19:49:15 <moontiger> the skype devs say its not possible witht he video codec they use
Oct 12 19:49:21 <zakkm> and no warranty cause i bought off ebay and went past refund / return
Oct 12 19:49:38 <mavhc> they just don't have l33t ARM coders
Oct 12 19:49:38 <zakkm> I'm looking to buy a N800 in about 2-3 weeks.
Oct 12 19:49:47 <lcuk> oh my zakkm bad luck :(
Oct 12 19:49:50 <moontiger> skype == ebay == big corp who doesnt give rats ass about open source
Oct 12 19:49:54 <zakkm> Yes
Oct 12 19:50:04 <lcuk> its not even OSS that i care about
Oct 12 19:50:09 <zakkm> i paid $85 at the time for the N770.. it lasted about 2-3 weeks -.- .. garbage.
Oct 12 19:50:12 <lcuk> i would be happy with closed source blobs
Oct 12 19:50:20 <moontiger> yeah me too
Oct 12 19:50:23 <lcuk> just gimme the functionality
Oct 12 19:50:29 <moontiger> my wifi on my laptop isnt fully oss
Oct 12 19:50:31 <lcuk> they can play whatever games they want
Oct 12 19:50:32 <zakkm> closed source is okay i think :P
Oct 12 19:50:34 <zakkm> Opera does fine.
Oct 12 19:51:18 <lcuk> has anyone managed to get a rogue client onto skype yet?
Oct 12 19:51:24 <moontiger> for ebay skype = cost center ... means they wont invest in no payback projects
Oct 12 19:51:27 <moontiger> simple
Oct 12 19:52:05 <Stskeeps> lcuk: did anyone try and reverse engineer if skype looks for v4l devices or not?
Oct 12 19:52:15 <lcuk> "while waiting for your call to connect we checked your chatlogs and thought you would be interested in ..."
Oct 12 19:52:23 <zakkm> just curious.. does videochat work in skype linux?
Oct 12 19:52:28 <zakkm> like normal PC.. skype linux
Oct 12 19:52:30 <zakkm> x86/x86_64
Oct 12 19:52:54 <moontiger> yes
Oct 12 19:53:01 <moontiger> oh wait .... not sure
Oct 12 19:53:04 <bef0rd> I believe latest version supports it
Oct 12 19:53:05 <moontiger> i think so
Oct 12 19:53:07 * bef0rd checks
Oct 12 19:53:13 <zakkm> Then they should get it to work :(
Oct 12 19:53:16 <zakkm> for nokia
Oct 12 19:53:20 <lcuk> i think they are looking at the n8x0 port as being same as phone port - ie restricted cutdown
Oct 12 19:53:35 <moontiger> yes it does
Oct 12 19:53:40 <lcuk> like the mapping things on phones are cutdown and put routing onto central server cos the phones cant handle it
Oct 12 19:53:45 <zakkm> THen it wouldnt be much of a hassle would it?
Oct 12 19:53:58 * lcuk wonders how a petition to skype would go
Oct 12 19:54:01 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - http://pastebin.com/m398d9f41
Oct 12 19:54:05 <moontiger> well they would have to optimize the nuts out of the code to make it work on the n8x0
Oct 12 19:54:08 <cyrus__> that is that last few lines when it errors out on me
Oct 12 19:54:20 <moontiger> lcuk, there have been many already
Oct 12 19:54:32 <cyrus__> could there be a problem with the md5sum of the nit-env-lxde package?
Oct 12 19:54:35 <moontiger> big corp + market downturn = dont give a fuk
Oct 12 19:54:43 <lcuk> moontiger, not really we see lots of desktop programs "work", sure they arent 60fps crysis things
Oct 12 19:54:44 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: did it mention anything about that?
Oct 12 19:54:45 <zakkm> Video chat isnt that much cpu-intensive is it?
Oct 12 19:54:56 <zakkm> I thought its just internet bandwidth intensive
Oct 12 19:55:04 <mavhc> it's way more intensive
Oct 12 19:55:06 <lcuk> encoding/decoding is intensive
Oct 12 19:55:07 <Robot101> zakkm: yes, it is. video encoding takes up huge amounts of cpu
Oct 12 19:55:09 <moontiger> it has to be compressed realtime
Oct 12 19:55:16 <zakkm> o
Oct 12 19:55:18 <moontiger> thats hideous for cpu
Oct 12 19:55:25 <Robot101> the built-in video call app uses 100% CPU
Oct 12 19:55:27 <lcuk> shame we cant use the IVA
Oct 12 19:55:28 <zakkm> not video encoding..
Oct 12 19:55:31 <Robot101> about 70% for encoding, 25% for decoding
Oct 12 19:55:32 <zakkm> video chat :P but yeah i guess it encodes
Oct 12 19:55:35 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: in maemo, chroot /mnt/deblet, apt-get install nit-env-lxde and show me what happens
Oct 12 19:55:38 <zakkm> eek
Oct 12 19:55:42 <Robot101> and that's 15fps 200x150 H.263
Oct 12 19:55:45 <zakkm> whats deblet?
Oct 12 19:55:52 <cyrus__> k
Oct 12 19:55:56 <Stskeeps> today, my worst nightmare
Oct 12 19:55:56 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 19:55:56 <moontiger> h.263 isnt very cpu friendly
Oct 12 19:55:56 <zakkm> ;o
Oct 12 19:55:58 <moontiger> :)
Oct 12 19:56:03 <Robot101> which is really primitive by modern video standards
Oct 12 19:56:03 <zakkm> lxde works in n800?
Oct 12 19:56:04 <moontiger> hahaha
Oct 12 19:56:08 <zakkm> lxde desktop environment?
Oct 12 19:56:16 <Robot101> actually maybe its 30fps
Oct 12 19:56:29 <Stskeeps> zakkm: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet
Oct 12 19:56:29 <Robot101> hm, no, don't think so
Oct 12 19:56:45 <Robot101> anyway if you want to video call someone, you can use empathy on a PC and call to the n810
Oct 12 19:56:49 <Robot101> or n800
Oct 12 19:56:56 <zakkm> deblet  = debian for the NIT's ?
Oct 12 19:57:01 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 12 19:57:03 <Robot101> or SIP actually, video calling will work
Oct 12 19:57:06 <Stskeeps> we can't call it that though
Oct 12 19:57:11 <zakkm> oh
Oct 12 19:57:22 <zakkm> how well does it work?
Oct 12 19:57:25 <zakkm> deblet.
Oct 12 19:57:37 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - http://pastebin.com/m6fc88cf2
Oct 12 19:57:48 <zakkm> is it worth while to use epiphany .. instead of the builtin maemo browser?
Oct 12 19:58:10 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: anything after that?
Oct 12 19:58:23 <zakkm> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/cheese.png , wow it does work :
Oct 12 19:58:52 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - nope. just says setting up nit-ev-lxde (1.8)... and then stops
Oct 12 19:58:58 <zakkm> hey if Cheese shows camera... then cant we just install skype in deblet and do video chat ? or is there not enough cpu power?
Oct 12 19:59:10 <Stskeeps> skype doesn't run in deblet
Oct 12 19:59:15 <Stskeeps> too dependent on maemo
Oct 12 19:59:27 <Stskeeps> cheese just uses same interfaces as all other sane camera apps
Oct 12 19:59:42 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: did you use GTK or Dialog, btw?
Oct 12 19:59:45 <zakkm> Oh, when i was reading earlier it looked like deblet was a program...
Oct 12 19:59:49 <zakkm> that runs on top of maemo?
Oct 12 19:59:55 <Stskeeps> nop, seperate OS
Oct 12 20:00:00 <zakkm> so its like dualboot?
Oct 12 20:00:03 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 12 20:00:15 <zakkm> cause in a screenshot it showed kde3 as like a program
Oct 12 20:00:23 <zakkm> like it showed maemo buttons.. and then kde3
Oct 12 20:00:37 <Stskeeps> it can run different environments
Oct 12 20:01:07 <zakkm> yeah i realize that
Oct 12 20:01:11 <zakkm> im just saying i saw kde3 ..
Oct 12 20:01:22 <Stskeeps> maybe easy debian?
Oct 12 20:01:27 <Stskeeps> penguinbait's kde3?
Oct 12 20:01:36 <zakkm> maybe
Oct 12 20:01:39 <zakkm> i dont know
Oct 12 20:01:42 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - dialog
Oct 12 20:01:44 <zakkm> i would like it dualbooted
Oct 12 20:02:18 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: can you do 'debconf-show tablet-user' and put it on a pastebin?
Oct 12 20:02:21 <zakkm> ah okay it was easy debian
Oct 12 20:02:26 <Stskeeps> remove your password with ****'s
Oct 12 20:03:16 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - http://pastebin.com/m664bd62d
Oct 12 20:03:33 <melmoth> lcuk: got it. The camera did not stop because i was trying to change the pipe status within a pipleine thread context
Oct 12 20:03:36 <zakkm> Is there any tweaks / speedups .. like using maemo on SD rather than internal memory
Oct 12 20:03:39 <lcuk> ahhh
Oct 12 20:03:46 <lcuk> melmoth, at least you know now
Oct 12 20:03:49 <Stskeeps> zakkm: there's clone to SD
Oct 12 20:04:00 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: well that looks correct
Oct 12 20:04:08 <zakkm> i might is there any other tweaks / performance increases
Oct 12 20:04:09 <zakkm> like that
Oct 12 20:04:11 <zakkm> that i could do
Oct 12 20:04:33 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - k. The password omitted. now i didn't put that..I acutally typed a password
Oct 12 20:04:34 <melmoth> Why did they put this information on Chapter 18 ?
Oct 12 20:05:20 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: oh, that's a neat trick :P
Oct 12 20:05:27 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: i think i may have found the problem
Oct 12 20:05:38 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - ok....did I do something wrong?
Oct 12 20:05:45 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - I did supply a password when it asked
Oct 12 20:05:50 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: nop, my problem
Oct 12 20:06:01 <zakkm> Is Epiphany in Deblet, quicker than using the builtin Maemo browser?
Oct 12 20:06:06 <zakkm> performance wise
Oct 12 20:06:11 <zakkm> opening speed, etc
Oct 12 20:06:42 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - is it something you can easily fix?
Oct 12 20:07:07 <moontiger> laterz guys :)
Oct 12 20:08:49 <Stskeeps> zakkm: we have something better
Oct 12 20:08:51 <Stskeeps> midori
Oct 12 20:08:56 <Stskeeps> it's fucking speedy, to swear a little
Oct 12 20:08:57 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 20:09:05 <Stskeeps> 3x to microb
Oct 12 20:09:07 <zakkm> I thought it was slow/buggy?
Oct 12 20:09:10 <Stskeeps> on maemo
Oct 12 20:09:15 <zakkm> yeah
Oct 12 20:09:22 <Stskeeps> on deblet it works nicely
Oct 12 20:09:23 <zakkm> oh you want me to use on deblet?
Oct 12 20:09:37 <Stskeeps> you asked about deblet :)
Oct 12 20:09:46 <zakkm> i wondering if its worth using deblet.
Oct 12 20:10:09 <Stskeeps> only if you enjoy hacking about and solving things. there's still a bunch of unsolved issues
Oct 12 20:10:15 <Stskeeps> and stuff that isn't complete
Oct 12 20:10:22 <zakkm> i love Maemo, but if in Deblet everything will be quicker significantly then i may consider
Oct 12 20:10:47 <Stskeeps> to illustrate one problem, without wifi and bluetooth, it dies after 12 hours of idle
Oct 12 20:10:50 <Stskeeps> so :P
Oct 12 20:11:11 <Stskeeps> it's not directly user friendly atm but quite a curiousity
Oct 12 20:11:12 <zakkm> I'm no expert in terms of programming, I'm even currently about to drop programming in school ( highschool )
Oct 12 20:11:20 <zakkm> but i do like messing with linux stuff
Oct 12 20:11:28 <zakkm> one of my main reasons i got the n770 ages ago.
Oct 12 20:11:37 <zakkm> ah.
Oct 12 20:12:23 <zakkm> This may sound dumb, but the N800 can download as fast as the wifi allows right ?
Oct 12 20:12:48 <zakkm> My school has a T3 line and i would like to use it for downloading.. ( my house has 1mbit.. )
Oct 12 20:13:27 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - any update on the install issue, or will it take you sometime to fix?
Oct 12 20:13:55 <whodat> my gawd its taking 20 minutes to get a gps fix on my n810
Oct 12 20:14:31 <zakkm> 20min? wouldnt that make it worthless ?
Oct 12 20:14:37 <Pavlov> the built in gps is bad
Oct 12 20:14:47 <zakkm> i thought gps takes seconds.
Oct 12 20:14:49 <Pavlov> i tried using it once driving from my office to work
Oct 12 20:14:53 <Pavlov> er, to home
Oct 12 20:14:55 <whodat> yeah i have a bluetooth one too might just use that
Oct 12 20:14:58 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: have to look into it a bit, you sadly need to restart install at that point
Oct 12 20:15:04 <Pavlov> and it found where i was as i was pulling in to my driveway
Oct 12 20:15:38 <zakkm> hows youtube playback on the n800 ?
Oct 12 20:16:00 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - ok...well just let me know when I can try. Don't want to waste 2 more hours only to find out you haven't had a chance to look at it yet. Thanks
Oct 12 20:16:37 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: yeah, understandable
Oct 12 20:16:44 <Stskeeps> i should really make the installation tests automated
Oct 12 20:19:35 <zakkm> is irssi any good on the n800 ?
Oct 12 20:21:03 <Stskeeps> i prefer xchat for now even if i'm normally a irssi user
Oct 12 20:21:12 <Stskeeps> cos of the gui + on screen keyboard + word completion
Oct 12 20:21:40 <zakkm> I just would like to like
Oct 12 20:21:48 <zakkm> leave my tablet on this channel lets say
Oct 12 20:21:51 <melmoth> lcuk: about disabling the led color: http://www.google.com/notebook/public/08895672815650307022/BDSTgIgoQ3tW9iP0i
Oct 12 20:21:55 <Stskeeps> zakkm: xchat :P
Oct 12 20:21:58 <zakkm> and do other stuff.. and generally look at my tablet.. and read
Oct 12 20:22:05 <zakkm> I wont be typing anything
Oct 12 20:22:09 <lcuk> lol melmoth ive got rid of it with control panel
Oct 12 20:22:12 <Stskeeps> ah
Oct 12 20:22:30 <lcuk> it doesnt bother me if im there, it was only spurious "look at me" signals when i was sleeping that annoyed me
Oct 12 20:22:54 <zakkm> Stskeeps: I was just wondering cause if xchat is more cpu intensive... it will take more battery life.
Oct 12 20:23:24 <zakkm> oh if i were on Canola, watching youtube videos
Oct 12 20:23:30 <zakkm> how long would my battery life last on N800 ?
Oct 12 20:23:40 <zakkm> estimate.'
Oct 12 20:23:46 <Stskeeps> constantly? 4 hours i guess :P
Oct 12 20:23:50 <melmoth> oh, yeah, there is a led something in the control pannel.
Oct 12 20:23:53 <zakkm> oh cool :)
Oct 12 20:25:04 <melmoth> Cool. Next thing is to understand how to send file with libsoup in xmlrpc.
Oct 12 20:25:38 <zakkm> Is there like a max bandwidth for the N800 over wifi ?
Oct 12 20:25:42 <zakkm> like a max speed?
Oct 12 20:25:49 <zakkm> Like it cant take any more?
Oct 12 20:26:35 <Stskeeps> i think i've mostly seen 2mb/s or something
Oct 12 20:26:38 <Stskeeps> but that's often more than enough
Oct 12 20:27:25 <zakkm> k :)
Oct 12 20:27:31 <zakkm> I would like to use it for uploading, thats why
Oct 12 20:27:34 <lcuk> zakkm, watyching youtube videos for 4 hours straight is kinda like torture isnt it
Oct 12 20:27:44 <zakkm> lol, im just curious about battery life
Oct 12 20:27:56 <lcuk> i think you will die  before the n8x0
Oct 12 20:28:06 <zakkm> haha
Oct 12 20:28:18 <zakkm> Yeah but if i were to watch a movie, lend to someone to watch a movie
Oct 12 20:28:21 <zakkm> or something :p
Oct 12 20:28:23 <ShadowJK_> scp -c arcfour maxes out at 2 megabytes/sec or so
Oct 12 20:28:35 <ShadowJK_> I imagine it'd go faster without encryption
Oct 12 20:28:37 <zakkm> so 2mbyte/s is max?
Oct 12 20:28:46 <zakkm> thats okay thats high enough lol
Oct 12 20:29:13 <lcuk> zakkm, good thinking, kinda like "The Ring" but instead of a VHS tape, its an 810 playing youtube,  monsterous pass the parcel - the person who gets it just as the rickroll hits will expire
Oct 12 20:29:36 <zakkm> Never seen the movie but okay :)
Oct 12 20:29:57 <zakkm> I personally liked the thumb keyboard on my old n770
Oct 12 20:30:05 <zakkm> dont want to buy the N810
Oct 12 20:30:05 <lcuk> zakkm, here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Oct 12 20:31:21 <zakkm> Oh
Oct 12 20:31:27 <zakkm> can i use the N800 to print?
Oct 12 20:31:31 <zakkm> from a networked printer?
Oct 12 20:31:49 <lcuk> i believe its been attmptes with success, but its not built in default
Oct 12 20:32:34 <zakkm> So thats a yes with some editing/configuring involved?
Oct 12 20:33:00 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, btw, did you get liqbase in extras? before i run apt-get :)
Oct 12 20:33:34 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, no not yet, few things need doing, liqbase.net has 0.0.4 just updated a few minutes ago
Oct 12 20:33:54 <zakkm> Also use querty12 speed rotation app. It will give you rotation and speed your Nxx to 400mhz. Hope this helps. <--- found this on forum .. is that for Deblet only or OS2007 ?
Oct 12 20:34:01 <lcuk> i just had a thought about a few things before announcing
Oct 12 20:34:45 <GAN800> karma seems stuck again.
Oct 12 20:34:47 <lcuk> zakkm, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-8533.html
Oct 12 20:35:04 <zakkm> this is 2007.. ;P
Oct 12 20:35:30 <zakkm> back then FLash 9 wasnt even done :P
Oct 12 20:35:39 <zakkm> and skype and stuff
Oct 12 20:36:08 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, k, thanks
Oct 12 20:36:14 <lcuk> so?  if it was done back then that generally means it can be done now..
Oct 12 20:36:46 <zakkm> they say no.
Oct 12 20:36:49 <qwerty12_N800> zakkm, i had an app? :p. lol, jott keeps the rotation + 48 mhz kernel updated for diablo
Oct 12 20:36:56 <zakkm> oh no
Oct 12 20:37:17 <lcuk> 48mhz killed my memory card, its not applicable for all
Oct 12 20:37:18 <zakkm> I dont know, i figured your here so i should ask.. it was on a thread about slow maemo
Oct 12 20:37:28 <zakkm> what does the 48mhz kernel do exactly?
Oct 12 20:37:43 <qwerty12_N800> ~bitchslap shitty python media players
Oct 12 20:37:43 * infobot beats the sh*t out of shitty python media players
Oct 12 20:37:47 <zakkm> Oh, does rotation work on the n800 ?
Oct 12 20:37:53 <lcuk> basically an overclock on the memory interfadce
Oct 12 20:37:56 <GAN800> outpo.st/rotate
Oct 12 20:38:03 <zakkm> so its good to use?
Oct 12 20:38:05 <zakkm> performance boost?
Oct 12 20:38:13 <GAN800> depends on the card
Oct 12 20:38:14 <lcuk> can be if the memory card supports it, but not all do
Oct 12 20:38:25 <zakkm> So ill buy a card that does :)
Oct 12 20:38:33 <GAN800> For the vast majority of people it'll be a slight boost.
Oct 12 20:39:03 <GAN800> For an extremely small minority it'll prevent the card from being used.
Oct 12 20:40:09 <zakkm> eek
Oct 12 20:40:13 <zakkm> best not to use then?
Oct 12 20:40:17 * qwerty12_N800 had an elcheapo 1gb card which 48mhz kernel didn't work on. got an 8gb card and it works fine  
Oct 12 20:42:19 <zakkm> I'll be gettting a 2GB card.
Oct 12 20:43:05 <lcuk> the difference in speed isnt great, get whatever, if it works, great, if not - you wont miss much
Oct 12 20:43:23 <zakkm> I was planning to use SD instead of internal memory though
Oct 12 20:43:40 <lcuk> and? same applies
Oct 12 20:44:10 <lcuk> ie not worth puttin lotsa brainpower into ;)
Oct 12 20:45:02 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: should work now :) sorry, i screwed up, turns out Debian doesn't have a handy /etc/sudoers.d and update-sudoers.
Oct 12 21:18:26 <Stskeeps> the problems with experiments and documenting them, is that eventually someone will stumble upon them and fail miserably at it
Oct 12 21:18:39 <Stskeeps> because they weren't the target audience
Oct 12 21:19:02 <Stskeeps> which is why nuclear bomb blueprints shouldn't be on the net.
Oct 12 21:19:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 21:20:03 <mavhc> which is why we should develop personal shield technology
Oct 12 21:20:10 <lcuk> nuclear bombs are kinda self solving
Oct 12 21:20:16 <BULLE_> Stskeeps: the main issue is not to understand or get hold of the blueprints, a decent university physics student can do that, what you will have problems with, is getting hold of the stuff that goes b0000m
Oct 12 21:20:26 <BULLE_> lcuk: darwin style ?
Oct 12 21:20:28 <lcuk> if they play for too long they die of radiation, if it works they burn in a fireball
Oct 12 21:21:16 <mavhc> the problem is refining it with centrifuges
Oct 12 21:22:03 <lcuk> evening lardman \o
Oct 12 21:22:25 <lardman> hi lcuk
Oct 12 21:22:31 <lardman> how goes it?
Oct 12 21:22:33 <Stskeeps> well, in this case it was about deblet 770 port. people have a tendancy to straight away trust guides and not realize the context/audience, and think documented experiments are absolute truths
Oct 12 21:22:58 <lcuk> quite good actually, i had something i wanna run by you, but its probably made your work account ping, hang on a mo
Oct 12 21:26:49 <zakkm> How's VNC on the n800 ?
Oct 12 21:27:13 <GAN800> Fine.
Oct 12 21:27:31 <zakkm> is it worth VNC'ing?
Oct 12 21:27:36 <zakkm> and using apps then using mameo?
Oct 12 21:27:48 <zakkm> Local networked.. that is
Oct 12 21:27:54 <lcuk> which way round
Oct 12 21:28:04 <zakkm> Nokia controlling PC..
Oct 12 21:29:02 <lcuk> vnc is vnc then, obviously lower res screen than usual, but it pans and can be rotated
Oct 12 21:29:04 <zakkm> or rdesktop will do too
Oct 12 21:29:05 <BULLE_> zakkm: you dont get stellar performance from vnc client on a n800
Oct 12 21:29:14 <BULLE_> zakkm: but its perfectly useable
Oct 12 21:29:26 <lardman> hey qwerty12_N800
Oct 12 21:29:28 <zakkm> will it be better than using maemo apps for instance? / same ??
Oct 12 21:29:33 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: a belated happy birthday to you
Oct 12 21:29:37 <BULLE_> zakkm: it will of coursse be worse
Oct 12 21:29:42 <qwerty12_N800> hi lardman :)
Oct 12 21:29:43 <zakkm> ah
Oct 12 21:29:53 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, thanks :)
Oct 12 21:29:56 <BULLE_> zakkm: atleast if you are thinking of screen update speed, and so on
Oct 12 21:30:11 <zakkm> Over local networked im thinking too
Oct 12 21:30:21 <BULLE_> zakkm: on the other hand, if you run some app eating 1024mb ram on the server, then, well, that wont run on the n800, so then its way faster
Oct 12 21:30:37 <zakkm> nah just normal usage
Oct 12 21:30:43 <Proteous> the most annoying part of using rdesktop and vnc on the tablet is trying to manipulate tiny things on the screen with the stylus
Oct 12 21:30:44 <BULLE_> zakkm: but imho its not worth running say firefox over vnc, or similar, in order to get faster webbrowser
Oct 12 21:30:47 <Proteous> hard to be accurate
Oct 12 21:31:02 <BULLE_> Proteous: yeah, and also using programs that are designed for extensive keyboard use
Oct 12 21:31:04 <zakkm> ah
Oct 12 21:31:13 <mavhc> I don't find rdp that bad
Oct 12 21:31:47 <BULLE_> well, its not bad, its useable, but i do prefer running stuff local on the n800 instead of via an rdp session
Oct 12 21:31:56 <BULLE_> atleast for stuff that the n800 can handle
Oct 12 21:32:04 <Proteous> actualy, since I finaly got a cable and updated my n810, the unintentionaly double tapping problem has gone away mostly, that helps a bit
Oct 12 21:32:05 <zakkm> Trying to find little ways to speedup my n800 usage.
Oct 12 21:32:08 <zakkm> what about like
Oct 12 21:32:16 <zakkm> If i have a document on my home PC right
Oct 12 21:32:20 <zakkm> and i wanted to read it in the living room
Oct 12 21:32:24 <zakkm> would the performance be good enough?
Oct 12 21:32:35 <lcuk> vnc is not useful to speedup apps, but its useful in its original intent, to gain access to a remote system
Oct 12 21:32:54 <BULLE_> lcuk: exactly
Oct 12 21:32:57 <lcuk> zakkm, why not just share doc on the network and view live though..
Oct 12 21:33:18 <BULLE_> i use vnc and openvpn when im on the move
Oct 12 21:33:31 <zakkm> tis an example
Oct 12 21:33:33 <zakkm> just normal usage stuff
Oct 12 21:33:36 <zakkm> no web
Oct 12 21:34:11 <mavhc> depends, which is more resourcy, the data or the display of the data
Oct 12 21:36:34 <Proteous> resourcy, I live it
Oct 12 21:36:36 <Proteous> er, love
Oct 12 21:36:57 <zakkm> how long have you all owned a NIT?
Oct 12 21:37:12 <Proteous> since the n770s were on woot.com for $125
Oct 12 21:37:28 <Proteous> whenever that was...
Oct 12 21:37:36 <zakkm> $125 :O
Oct 12 21:37:50 <zakkm> i had to buy my 770 on ebay for $85 . .WSOD two weeks later
Oct 12 21:37:59 <Proteous> yeah, mine eventualy WSODed
Oct 12 21:38:06 <Proteous> so did my brothers
Oct 12 21:38:11 <zakkm> that sucks
Oct 12 21:38:19 <Proteous> but one of my other brothers who bought one is still going
Oct 12 21:38:21 <zakkm> I didnt know they wsod'd when i first bought it
Oct 12 21:38:45 <Proteous> Mine was still under warrenty when it happened but I just got a n810 instead
Oct 12 21:38:52 <Proteous> keyboard FTW
Oct 12 21:39:07 <Proteous> I use ssh a lot so it's worth it
Oct 12 21:39:12 <zakkm> ah
Oct 12 21:39:21 <zakkm> I personally like the thumb keyboard :)
Oct 12 21:39:37 <Proteous> it was usefull but it obscured the screen
Oct 12 21:39:54 <zakkm> didn't think of that.
Oct 12 21:39:56 <Proteous> so you couldn't see what was going on when you were slowly typing something out
Oct 12 21:41:05 <zakkm> price is so much higher though
Oct 12 21:41:10 <zakkm> that's like the only difference isnt it?
Oct 12 21:41:24 <BULLE_> WSOD ?
Oct 12 21:41:26 <Proteous> I got mine as an open box from amazon warehouse for $325
Oct 12 21:41:37 <zakkm> wsod = white screen of death
Oct 12 21:41:50 <zakkm> evantually the N770's stay white.. when you turn it on.. making it useless / garbage
Oct 12 21:41:51 <zakkm> no way to fix
Oct 12 21:41:52 <BULLE_> oh, never heard of, but i have never had an 770 either, so i guess that explains why
Oct 12 21:42:04 <BULLE_> zakkm: oh, and what is it that breaks ?
Oct 12 21:42:16 <zakkm> the LCD itself i think
Oct 12 21:42:22 <BULLE_> i see
Oct 12 21:42:24 <zakkm> the thing that connects the LCD to the motherboard or soemthing
Oct 12 21:42:26 <zakkm> that wire
Oct 12 21:42:28 <Proteous> well, probably one the chips that drives the LCD
Oct 12 21:42:44 <zakkm> w.e nobody fixed it
Oct 12 21:42:58 <Proteous> the screen isn't totaly white, if you look at it at an off angle you can sorta see parts of the screen that are trying to render
Oct 12 21:43:02 <zakkm> $325 is alot
Oct 12 21:43:08 <zakkm> not on mine.
Oct 12 21:43:11 <zakkm> it will all white
Oct 12 21:43:12 <Proteous> zakkm: I guess
Oct 12 21:43:18 <zakkm> if i clicked aronud sometimes there was vertical lines
Oct 12 21:43:25 <Proteous> for the amount of use I get out of my n810 it's not a lot
Oct 12 21:43:36 <Proteous> I use it every day
Oct 12 21:44:43 <zakkm> so you dont regret buying it for that price?
Oct 12 21:44:47 <Proteous> no
Oct 12 21:45:01 <zakkm> do you use maemo?
Oct 12 21:45:04 <Proteous> yeah
Oct 12 21:45:15 <zakkm> 07 or 08??
Oct 12 21:45:29 <Proteous> diablo
Oct 12 21:45:35 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - ok..so I can give it a try now..will do
Oct 12 21:46:05 <mavhc> that's nothing, I paid £250, that's more like $500, 3 months ago
Oct 12 21:46:33 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - I don't have to reinstall the package right...just run the Install deblet?
Oct 12 21:46:34 <zakkm> :O
Oct 12 21:46:40 <zakkm> mavhc: why'd you pay so much?
Oct 12 21:47:15 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: right
Oct 12 21:47:20 <Stskeeps> reboot tablet first ideally
Oct 12 21:47:24 <mavhc> well, 17.5% vat for a start
Oct 12 21:47:30 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - ok..goign to do it now
Oct 12 21:47:53 <mavhc> so that's $420, uk just has high prices
Oct 12 21:47:58 <zakkm> im having enough trouble trying to save up $180 for a used NOKIA N800 --
Oct 12 21:48:57 <BULLE_> zakkm: prices in europe are sky high, because the dollar is so weak
Oct 12 21:49:19 <BULLE_> asking price for n810 here is around 500usd aswell, new
Oct 12 21:49:28 <BULLE_> its not THAT expensive imho
Oct 12 21:49:35 <zakkm> ... in a store like 5min from my house.. its $349.99 CDN
Oct 12 21:49:39 <zakkm> n810
Oct 12 21:49:40 <zakkm> brand new
Oct 12 21:49:42 <mavhc> odd, as nokia is in .eu
Oct 12 21:50:05 <BULLE_> mavhc: nokia is from finland, they are special .......
Oct 12 21:50:28 <zakkm> This might sound weird but will a external usb harddrive work on the nokia n800?
Oct 12 21:50:28 <BULLE_> but, an n810 is priced as a midrange cellphone here
Oct 12 21:50:31 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - just starting the package install now. Will let you know in about 2 hours if it is good or not
Oct 12 21:50:59 <BULLE_> a highend phone will set you back, say 1000usd ( think high end nokia or new sony ericsson xperia )
Oct 12 21:51:19 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: this is a n800/n810 btw?
Oct 12 21:51:21 <zakkm> Is ClawsMail fast on the n800 ?
Oct 12 21:52:01 <zakkm> Hey, if im in wifi .. is there a way that the nokia does something if i get a new email ?
Oct 12 21:52:09 <zakkm> like an applet tells me or something
Oct 12 21:52:51 <zakkm> thinking gmail.
Oct 12 21:53:20 <sp3000> there might be a notifier applet, dunno if it's good
Oct 12 21:53:47 <sp3000> if you configure the mail client, it can blink the light and make a sound and show a list of new stuff
Oct 12 21:54:04 <zakkm> Is Claws Mail quicker than built-in mail?
Oct 12 21:54:12 <zakkm> sp3000: yeah thats it :P thanks
Oct 12 21:54:17 <zakkm> I was thinking something like that
Oct 12 21:54:23 <zakkm> does Mail Client have to be open though?
Oct 12 21:54:23 * Stskeeps still loathes modest
Oct 12 21:54:34 <lcuk> zakkm, no1 can blame you for not making an informed choice :)
Oct 12 21:54:43 <zakkm> ?
Oct 12 21:54:44 <GAN800> The 770's display controller would gte overvoltage on startup
Oct 12 21:54:56 <zakkm> lcuk: ?
Oct 12 21:55:10 <GAN800> I have two, and from Nov 2005 and one from woot and neither have failed.
Oct 12 21:55:11 <lcuk> you have asked so many questions so far
Oct 12 21:55:27 <zakkm> I know :(
Oct 12 21:55:35 <GAN800> Stskeeps, why loathe?
Oct 12 21:55:38 <lcuk> dont worry at all, its best
Oct 12 21:55:40 <zakkm> I like to know everything before i buy something.
Oct 12 21:55:48 <lcuk> and your questions spark debate :)
Oct 12 21:55:51 <GAN800> At least it's open source. . . .
Oct 12 21:55:51 <zakkm> When i buy the nokia it will make me broke
Oct 12 21:56:25 <zakkm> GAN800: my nokia n770 froze, i rebooted, BAM WSOD
Oct 12 21:56:44 <Stskeeps> GAN800: when i'm sitting on a gprs, the last thing i want for it is to suddenly not respond to my "cancel" commands
Oct 12 21:56:57 <Stskeeps> or start talking about downloading 1000s of messages in another folder :P
Oct 12 21:57:17 <sp3000> zakkm: no, the ui doesn't need to be up for it to check in the bg
Oct 12 21:57:20 <GAN800> s/n770/770/g
Oct 12 21:57:48 <zakkm> Does it check in the background though?
Oct 12 21:58:03 <kpel> yes
Oct 12 21:59:08 <Stskeeps> how was it with Maemo's icd.. the UI is closed but engine is open?
Oct 12 21:59:41 <kpel> dunno.
Oct 12 22:00:06 <ShadowJK_> icd?
Oct 12 22:00:42 <qwerty12_N800> meh, i'm confused about nokia decides to open source. sounds like they pick names out of a hat
Oct 12 22:01:00 <qwerty12_N800> ShadowJK_, internet connectivity daemon
Oct 12 22:01:04 <zakkm> Does mail support attachments?
Oct 12 22:01:09 <zakkm> like adding attachments to your email?
Oct 12 22:02:09 <kpel> never tried attaching anything. but i think i did receive email with attachhments
Oct 12 22:02:13 <Stskeeps> has DSME come out yet?
Oct 12 22:02:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 12 22:02:28 <ShadowJK_> can't open source the connectivity thing, it's better than NetworkManager ;p
Oct 12 22:02:32 <Stskeeps> true
Oct 12 22:02:47 <qwerty12_N800> oh for sure. nm is a tosser
Oct 12 22:02:49 <Stskeeps> and that's the scary part
Oct 12 22:03:08 <zakkm> Using canola to play a song? does it take significantly more battery life than the builtin media player?
Oct 12 22:04:11 <kpel> no idea
Oct 12 22:04:28 <kpel> btw, you don't work for the android team, do you? :P
Oct 12 22:04:36 <zakkm> me?
Oct 12 22:04:46 <zakkm> Besides its owned by Google, i really know nothing about Android
Oct 12 22:04:50 <lcuk> no, hes nokia market research
Oct 12 22:05:04 <lcuk> checkin if we know our product ;)
Oct 12 22:05:11 <zakkm> haha
Oct 12 22:05:19 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - as for your question..yes an N810
Oct 12 22:05:32 <zakkm> Canola looks so good :)
Oct 12 22:05:41 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: alright
Oct 12 22:06:14 <kpel> i find it a  bit slow and it takes up a lot of precious storage. too bad we can't select to install apps on the removable memory card
Oct 12 22:06:43 <zakkm> does it get faster with release?
Oct 12 22:06:53 <zakkm> like overtime will it get faster?
Oct 12 22:07:07 <lcuk> kpel, technically as a simple solution you could symlink any part of the root fs to a memory card
Oct 12 22:07:13 <zakkm> :O its skinnibe
Oct 12 22:07:19 <lcuk> i believe..
Oct 12 22:07:36 <zakkm> wouldnt you mount the SD into the directory? not symlink ?
Oct 12 22:07:48 <qwerty12_N800> just be sure the sd is mounted in time when booting...
Oct 12 22:08:16 <lcuk> heh
Oct 12 22:08:21 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - it has been going for a bit now and just sitting at Retrieving adduser
Oct 12 22:08:30 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - anything I should be lookign for here?
Oct 12 22:08:36 <zakkm> symlink would still install to the internal wouldnt it?
Oct 12 22:08:43 <zakkm> just let your SD apps work too ?
Oct 12 22:08:47 <zakkm> but nothing would install to it?
Oct 12 22:09:07 <kpel> lcuk: true. and after every os upgrade i would have to repeat this workaround
Oct 12 22:09:27 <lardman> I think the point was to symlink something under /usr to the memory card
Oct 12 22:09:37 <lardman> therefore things would be installed there automatically
Oct 12 22:09:50 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - since you said you did something with sudoers I was wondering if maybe this has some affect on the adduser package
Oct 12 22:09:59 <zakkm> isn't it mount SD to /usr. .. though.. rather than symlink SD with internal /usr
Oct 12 22:10:05 <kpel> yes, and after flashing a new os image the symlinks would be gone
Oct 12 22:10:29 <zakkm> but if you symlink .. it would install to both places..
Oct 12 22:10:31 <kpel> zakkm: by default the SD is mounted i
Oct 12 22:10:34 <zakkm> if you mount.. it would only install to SD
Oct 12 22:10:36 <kpel> in /media/mmc1
Oct 12 22:10:42 <zakkm> yes but you can also mount it into /usr
Oct 12 22:10:45 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: ah, no, adduser and debootstrap comes before we do anything deblet-specific
Oct 12 22:10:52 <Stskeeps> cyrus__: right now you're just installing Debian for ARMEL
Oct 12 22:11:08 <Stskeeps> after that phase, we put packages on top to make it usable (ie, not a blank screen :P)
Oct 12 22:11:10 <lardman> zakkm: if you symlink to /usr/bin, lib, etc., it will only be installed to the directories you symlinked
Oct 12 22:11:26 <lardman> but yes, mounting it is another option
Oct 12 22:11:32 * lcuk sparks debates with his wayward tongue and incorrect syntax.  
Oct 12 22:11:57 <kpel> zakkm: if you mount the card on /usr you lose all the default contents of /usr until you unmount the card
Oct 12 22:12:00 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - ok...i will leave it for a bit and see if it continues or just sits there
Oct 12 22:12:00 <lcuk> at least you lot knew what i meant even if i got the details wrong ;)
Oct 12 22:12:04 <zakkm> yes
Oct 12 22:12:10 <zakkm> thats why you clone /usr into the SD first
Oct 12 22:12:26 <zakkm> then the internal memory /usr will be empty
Oct 12 22:12:28 <zakkm> wont take any space
Oct 12 22:12:32 <zakkm> and you mount to the SD into /usr
Oct 12 22:12:43 * Stskeeps heads to sleep
Oct 12 22:12:51 <lcuk> Stskeeps, good night :)
Oct 12 22:12:51 <lardman> You'd have to check that the device can boot without /usr anyway (theoretically it should work, but you never know)
Oct 12 22:12:57 <zakkm> sure SD will always be used, but isnt that what you wanted? no space in/usr ? "unlimited" storage in /usr
Oct 12 22:13:08 <zakkm> SD will alwy sneed to be in*
Oct 12 22:13:14 <kpel> but this way you don't use the sd to extend the storage space but to replace internal storage with external
Oct 12 22:13:23 <zakkm> yes
Oct 12 22:13:27 <lcuk> zakkm, aint that like old computers needing to leave a certain floppy in
Oct 12 22:13:29 <zakkm> isnt that what the question was?
Oct 12 22:13:35 <lcuk> thats not exactly a big deal :0
Oct 12 22:13:44 <lcuk> ) even
Oct 12 22:13:52 <lardman> extending is hard without symlinking each app individually a la ipkg-link, or using a special fs
Oct 12 22:13:54 <zakkm> symlink will require space in both internal and external ... cloning and mounting wont..
Oct 12 22:14:11 <lardman> zakkm: symlink the directory!
Oct 12 22:14:16 <zakkm> ah w.e lol
Oct 12 22:15:01 <kpel> or convince nokia to add a reasonable amount of flash memory instead of having users jump through hoops ;)
Oct 12 22:15:27 <zakkm> or convince nokia to make maemo smaller
Oct 12 22:15:33 <zakkm> so theres more room
Oct 12 22:15:36 <zakkm> that way we wont need a new NIT -.-
Oct 12 22:15:46 <kpel> yes. only bash and vim should be allowed!
Oct 12 22:15:54 <kpel> j/k
Oct 12 22:16:14 <zakkm> lol
Oct 12 22:16:17 <zakkm> there are ways :P
Oct 12 22:16:21 <kpel> (who needs vim after all when you have cat)
Oct 12 22:16:39 <zakkm> who needs vim when you have a pencil and paper :D lol
Oct 12 22:16:47 <lcuk> im vanishin for a bit anyway, catch you lot later on
Oct 12 22:16:52 <kpel> c ya lcuk
Oct 12 22:17:10 * qwerty12_N800 cries as i have to build optmised mpd again. i hate all the music players for maemo. mpd ftw. 
Oct 12 22:17:47 <lardman> night lcuk
Oct 12 22:18:20 <kpel> music for maemo? why? are music playing smart phones that bad?
Oct 12 22:18:24 <zakkm> qwerty12_N800: how well does mpd in terms of battery life?
Oct 12 22:19:19 <qwerty12_N800> zakkm, no idea, i never really test for battery life but cpu usage and mem usage  with mpd are very low
Oct 12 22:19:49 <qwerty12_N800> kpel, i prefer walkman phones :)
Oct 12 22:20:16 <zakkm> qwerty12_N800: back in my gentoo days, I used mpd and sonata.
Oct 12 22:20:24 <zakkm> but i was curious about using mpd on my n800 ..
Oct 12 22:20:29 <zakkm> and using my home pc as a mpd server
Oct 12 22:21:50 <qwerty12_N800> sure, it works. i use mmpc + mpd on the tablet and sonata on the pc for controlling the n800. but sonata is available for maemo too
Oct 12 22:22:07 <zakkm> yeah i was just going to say i would probably use sonata
Oct 12 22:22:16 <zakkm> I used it for PC and the maemo port looks really goodd
Oct 12 22:22:35 <zakkm> I was just curious on how well it compares to the actual media player builtin app
Oct 12 22:22:50 <zakkm> if i would get better battery on sonata/mpd vs builtin media player app
Oct 12 22:24:01 <qwerty12_N800> the mpd compile for tablets is pretty old so i took the time to compile the latest mpd and recompile all the audio libs to use the vfp etc but i lost all my debs :/
Oct 12 22:24:57 <zakkm> Haha
Oct 12 22:25:16 <zakkm> I used 0.13 for PC i believe.
Oct 12 22:25:50 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, that's the one i compiled for maemo. you can get 0.12 from the garage
Oct 12 22:26:45 <zakkm> Nice.
Oct 12 22:27:00 <zakkm> you try sonata on the nit?
Oct 12 22:27:42 <qwerty12_N800> yep, works well except for slow startup time. but i blame it being in python for that.
Oct 12 22:28:02 <qwerty12_N800> (this was with python-launcher running)
Oct 12 22:28:25 <zakkm> eek
Oct 12 22:28:44 <zakkm> whats mmpc like? never used it/ havent heard much about it
Oct 12 22:30:09 <qwerty12_N800> it's ok, i like it, looks a bit like the built in player. it's fast but playlist/library management skills leave a lot to be desired
Oct 12 22:31:13 <zakkm> This might sound dumb but can i have mpd on my pc at home.. and make it stream music to my nokia NIT ?
Oct 12 22:31:18 <zakkm> and music outputs from my nokia?
Oct 12 22:32:05 <qwerty12_N800> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19059
Oct 12 22:32:17 <qwerty12_N800> sounds like what you wa
Oct 12 22:32:21 <qwerty12_N800> nt
Oct 12 22:32:24 <zakkm> no
Oct 12 22:32:32 <zakkm> i was tihknig being in school . .and having my home music collection.
Oct 12 22:32:58 <zakkm> not using the n800 as a soundcard for pc
Oct 12 22:33:26 <zakkm> so like sonata on my n800 shows my home music collection.. and when i play a song.. it "streams" from my home pc
Oct 12 22:33:30 <zakkm> and plays on my nokia.
Oct 12 22:33:32 <qwerty12_N800> you could try the icecast feature of  mpd
Oct 12 22:33:41 <zakkm> isnt that just radio?
Oct 12 22:34:00 <qwerty12_N800> no, it can stream your music
Oct 12 22:36:35 <lardman> night all
Oct 12 22:36:41 <zakkm> night
Oct 12 22:56:24 <zakkm> does the newest diablo use microb?
Oct 12 23:21:17 <closet_> zakkm: yup, still microb I believe.
Oct 12 23:27:12 <zakkm> closet_ thanks
Oct 13 00:07:41 <bef0rd> new personal menu configuration dialog looks nicer
Oct 13 00:15:10 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - looks good. Installation completed without error
Oct 13 00:22:35 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - success. Deblet is booting. Thanks for the help
Oct 13 00:56:35 <cyrus__> Stskeeps - everything is good but I find that deblet runs very very slow.
Oct 13 02:49:19 <lopz> night
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