**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 13 02:59:57 2008 Oct 13 03:38:48 Where can I find the kernel sources on the N800? Oct 13 03:41:30 Or... are they even on the N800? Oct 13 03:42:02 i only see "openstreet" in maemo mapper, how do i get the google maps? Oct 13 03:49:02 has anybody else been having "issues" with maemo.org? Oct 13 04:00:33 <`0660> yeah Oct 13 04:00:43 <`0660> seemed to be down Oct 13 04:34:56 how come its so hard for them to get a working web site??!!?? Oct 13 04:35:00 sheesh Oct 13 04:42:16 http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article847365.ece Oct 13 04:42:18 Hehe Oct 13 04:42:43 moontiger: I have got a theory on that but nobody is listening Oct 13 04:43:18 moontiger: My guess is that their publishing system (Midgard) issues SQL queries that bring down the MySQL Oct 13 04:43:44 Either due to lack of proper indices or just because the queries are too complex. Oct 13 04:44:39 RST38h: that's just dumb Oct 13 04:45:50 Why? It is really easy to get into this situation, especially if you are not watching MySQL logs Oct 13 04:46:23 But the fun part is that if I am right, no amount of extra hardware will save their ass =) Oct 13 04:49:25 <`0660> :) Oct 13 05:48:13 qemu: Unsupported syscall: 303 Oct 13 05:48:13 qemu: Unsupported syscall: 303 Oct 13 05:48:13 qemu: Unsupported syscall: 299 Oct 13 05:48:13 qemu: Unsupported syscall: 300 Oct 13 05:48:17 is it good? Oct 13 05:48:35 sorry was away Oct 13 05:48:45 RST38h, yah something is def screwy Oct 13 05:48:59 i write high perf websites for a living and this makes no sense Oct 13 05:49:40 if the queries are that complex to be slowing things down that much it means the db design isnt very good Oct 13 07:04:52 slonopotamus: it is normal. qemu sucks. debug on the real tablet. Oct 13 07:05:16 RST38h, tell that to autobuilder :) Oct 13 07:05:27 ah Oct 13 07:05:30 aha Oct 13 07:05:40 autobuilder. Oct 13 07:06:09 what part of the build process caused these? Oct 13 07:06:39 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/fakeroot_1.9.5/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Oct 13 07:07:17 maybe autobuilder should pass "nocheck" option for armel target... because it often has troubles. Oct 13 07:07:17 using cell phone. cant open links. Oct 13 07:07:22 oh Oct 13 07:07:38 error happens during tests Oct 13 07:07:51 well, your best bet would be asking x-fade for help Oct 13 07:08:11 X-Fade, gimme som help, please :) Oct 13 07:08:18 s/som/some Oct 13 07:09:10 sdk qemu does not support all maemo features (file dialog will kill it for example) so using it to test is not very fruitful Oct 13 07:27:13 morning Oct 13 07:27:55 hey hrw. you tried to update the hildon packages in OE a while back, didn't you? Oct 13 07:28:07 RST38h: it is not qemu fault but scratchbox fault - they use old qemu Oct 13 07:28:26 johnx: Poky has them Oct 13 07:28:43 w00t! Oct 13 07:29:02 in one of experimental branches Oct 13 07:29:16 I'll look :) Oct 13 07:34:17 hrw: Oh Oct 13 07:43:00 morning, all Oct 13 07:43:38 mornin' Jaffa Oct 13 07:46:28 hrw: May it be possible to upgrade qemu at least inside the autobuilder installation? Oct 13 07:49:21 RST38h: I am not familiar with sbox and have no idea which patches they apply to qemu Oct 13 07:51:10 better wait for X-Fade and talk him into it then =) Oct 13 08:55:33 moo, johnx Oct 13 08:56:33 ~curse maemo.org in general and Midgard in particular for 2+ minute page load times Oct 13 08:56:33 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo.org in general and Midgard in particular for 2+ minute page load times ! Oct 13 08:57:09 soooo, servers not entirely migrated yet? Oct 13 08:58:33 no idea. Oct 13 08:58:45 as I said, I doubt migration will help Oct 13 08:58:57 RST38h, aquatix: the web servers yes, but the database server is slow and buggy Oct 13 08:59:11 Looking at hardware and MySQL Oct 13 08:59:37 tekojo: Have you looked at MySQL execution logs? Oct 13 08:59:46 Personally no Oct 13 08:59:58 I'm not too good with MySQL Oct 13 09:00:03 tekojo: Does MySQL have commands like EXPLAIN to show what each query ends up doing and how long each operation takes? Oct 13 09:00:30 Hope so, but don't know, if it were Oracle I would know :-) Oct 13 09:01:06 But the OS level statistics also show something fishy going on Oct 13 09:01:09 tekojo: I do not think it is that much different nowadays Oct 13 09:01:41 tekojo: My strong suspicion is you are missing a few important indices (easy to fix - CREATE INDEX ON) *or* issuing queries that are too complex Oct 13 09:02:19 That could be one thing that is wrong, but I fear that it is that plus something else. Oct 13 09:02:36 Or worse the hardware is broken Oct 13 09:03:14 not likely Oct 13 09:03:33 * RST38h usually trusts the hardware: it either dies completely or it works Oct 13 09:04:08 Well, the stats look pretty strange Oct 13 09:05:30 I am having everything checked just to be sure Oct 13 09:06:00 And I am a pretty frustrated with this ongoing problem too Oct 13 09:08:25 I would be ok with some delays but 2+ minutes is unrealistic Oct 13 09:08:41 A bit more, and we will have to send HTTP requests by email Oct 13 09:11:01 Just updated ColEm and MasterGear for Maemo. Whoever is interested, either install/update from Extras or use the homepages Oct 13 09:11:06 It's not sending the http, it's getting the answer (just need to send us your home address and a self addressed stamped envelope...) Oct 13 09:15:55 might indeed be missing some indices Oct 13 09:16:08 and yes, mysql has explain functionality :) Oct 13 10:00:07 morning all Oct 13 10:03:27 * lcuk lobs a tumbleweed @ lardman Oct 13 10:03:30 mornin simon Oct 13 10:04:15 but im not actually here, so cya later Oct 13 10:07:31 ehlo, lardman, lcuk Oct 13 10:08:13 lol lcuk, hi anyway Oct 13 10:08:16 hi RST38h Oct 13 10:22:39 <_|Nix|_> Hi! Where can I get a maemo.org logo SVG? Oct 13 10:25:28 hello Oct 13 10:25:57 seems we need the new kernel on n8** it :) Oct 13 10:26:15 the new FS seems very useful Oct 13 10:26:30 UBFIS (Unsorted Block Images File System) Oct 13 10:26:45 born for ssd/flash cards Oct 13 10:34:38 lardman, just to let you know i put that fakey multitouch idea into code and its in the latest deb for liqbase. it seems to work quite well and stays with the second moving finger Oct 13 10:35:21 the itT thread should have a link Oct 13 10:35:30 cool, will give it a go when I get a chance Oct 13 10:35:35 * lcuk runs off again, POA screens to do Oct 13 10:52:49 L0cutus: not for sdcards Oct 13 10:52:56 for raw flash Oct 13 11:00:48 trickie|work, are you sure ? Oct 13 11:00:55 why not sd ? Oct 13 11:01:30 yes im sure Oct 13 11:01:31 http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html Oct 13 11:01:36 read the big note at the top Oct 13 11:11:57 trickie|work, the n810 runs mtdblock, right? Oct 13 11:12:03 (well, Diablo as a whole) Oct 13 11:14:01 yep, which i think emulates block devices from raw flash Oct 13 11:14:10 so to access the raw flash as a block device Oct 13 11:14:15 yeah, but isn't that like crap? Oct 13 11:14:23 sdcards usually have block device emulation in hardware Oct 13 11:15:05 using mtdblock is a very bad idea because what it basically does if you change any sector of you mtdblockX device, it reads the whole corresponding eraseblock into the memory, erases the eraseblock, changes the sector in RAM, and writes the whole eraseblock back. This is very straightforward. If you have a power failure when the eraseblock is being erased, you lose all the block device sectors in it. The flash will likely decay soon Oct 13 11:15:05 because you will wear few eraseblocks out - most probably those ones which contain FAT/bitmap/inode table/etc. Oct 13 11:15:12 crashanddie: not sure of the pro's or con's but i guess it makes it easier to make raw flash behave similar to other storage devices Oct 13 11:15:47 i thought the fs did the wear-levelling Oct 13 11:15:53 crashanddie: aren't you thinking about jffs and not mtd? Oct 13 11:16:16 jffs has the whole eraseblock stuff Oct 13 11:16:20 hey, that's just a copy paste from linux-mtd.infradead.org :P Oct 13 11:16:23 link given above Oct 13 11:17:37 crashanddie: if mtdblock is so bad, why does UBIFS run on top of it? :P Oct 13 11:17:48 dunno Oct 13 11:18:04 fat on top of mtdblock, sure, bad :P Oct 13 11:18:34 Stskeeps, ubi doesn't run atop mtdblock Oct 13 11:19:37 crashanddie: ubi subsystem runs on top of mtd subsystem, and ubifs runs on top of ubi subsystem Oct 13 11:19:41 look at your own link Oct 13 11:21:26 Stskeeps, eh? Oct 13 11:21:59 Stskeeps, mtdblock != mtd subsystem Oct 13 11:23:04 i guess ubi is a next generation mtdblock Oct 13 11:23:20 and iguess they use mtdblock now cause there are not many alternatives Oct 13 11:23:57 Stskeeps, mtdblock translates an MTD to conform to a regular block device. UBI accesses the raw flash, and thus uses it as a regular MTD device Oct 13 11:24:27 mtdblock gives you access to sectors, which are mapped into a single eraseblock. UBI uses eraseblocks directly Oct 13 11:32:22 crashanddie: ah Oct 13 11:42:39 Stupid question: I installed the deb that clones my installation to the SD card, and after that I always have to listen to that retarded "I pronounce linux linux" sample. Funny, but please, please tell me where this thing hides so that I can kill it. Oct 13 11:50:26 Hello. I ported my gtk+ program to nokia n800 with os2008. Now I'm interested to put the program to fullscreen. How could I do that? Oct 13 11:51:14 press the fullscreen button? Oct 13 11:51:23 It doesn't work Oct 13 11:51:27 or by default? Oct 13 11:51:28 oh Oct 13 11:51:39 damn, that default media player application in maemo really sucks... the text "Playing: foobar" shows another song than it is actually playing :) Oct 13 11:51:52 oh? Oct 13 11:52:00 i haven't encountered that Oct 13 11:52:09 i even use it as default music player Oct 13 11:52:13 works for me Oct 13 11:52:40 napsy_: add a callback that launch fullscreen() whenever the f6 key is pressed Oct 13 11:52:46 probably some race condition or somethin I guess Oct 13 11:53:01 Mek: i guess indeed Oct 13 11:53:17 melmoth, can I force fulscreen without pressing the key? Oct 13 11:53:33 Mek: it is probablydesyncing because of dbus Oct 13 11:53:34 add a call to fullscreen() directly Oct 13 11:53:47 ok I'll try, tnx Oct 13 11:54:02 i think you need to toggle fullscreen/unfullscreen Oct 13 11:54:47 hmm Oct 13 11:54:58 undefined reference to `fullscreen' Oct 13 11:55:19 should be recognise by any top window (gtk or hildon) Oct 13 11:56:48 ok Oct 13 11:57:26 napsy_, gtk_window_fullscreen (....) and gtk_window_unfullscreen (...) look at the gtk reference guide! Oct 13 11:57:48 ok tnx Oct 13 11:58:00 np Oct 13 11:58:24 aquatix, same here, default media player works fine :) Oct 13 12:04:00 hola Oct 13 12:06:00 hm strange I get a segfault if I try to fullscreen the window Oct 13 12:07:06 random idea: try to fullscreen it later on (just in case it was not exisiting or displayed where you try) Oct 13 12:07:21 ok Oct 13 12:07:42 napsy: it means that something in your window is broken Oct 13 12:08:21 well it works fine if I don't call _fullscreen() Oct 13 12:13:09 ok it works now Oct 13 12:13:12 napsy: try disabling all the widgets and see if it starts working Oct 13 12:13:16 what was it? Oct 13 12:13:47 when I was commenting out hildon code I forgot that Hildon Program wasn't allocated Oct 13 12:14:17 napsy_: what does your app do? Oct 13 12:14:30 urgh Oct 13 12:14:37 that will do it for you. Oct 13 12:15:24 solmumaha, it simmulates something .. sry I can't go into details :-) Oct 13 12:15:51 it sure stimulate our curiosity Oct 13 12:18:02 :) Oct 13 12:19:52 it simulates seg faults Oct 13 12:20:02 very good at it as well Oct 13 12:20:11 faster and more accurate than anything Oct 13 12:20:24 even in fullscreen now Oct 13 12:23:30 Hey, gentlemen, I have got a strange question Oct 13 12:24:12 When you have your tablet laying somewhere and an email comes, it will start flashing that little envelope icon at the left bottom corner of the screen right? Oct 13 12:24:35 RST38h: I had that way Oct 13 12:24:39 What happens with the battery in this case? Will it drain the battery faster while flashing the icon? Oct 13 12:25:11 I know for sure that enabling scroll in the RSS reader applet drains the battery really fast. What about the email notification? Oct 13 12:25:57 RST38h, i think (hope) the flashing will be disabled when the screen go black Oct 13 12:26:04 if you are sending data to the lcd on a regular basis then yeah it will be active and will drain faster (thats common sense, not surei f its true) Oct 13 12:27:10 but the real question is: DOES IT flash the icon when the screen is off? Oct 13 12:27:40 and does it stop flashing after a while? Oct 13 12:28:28 RST38h, same can be said for things like titlebar clock or the flashing cursor on searchbox Oct 13 12:28:51 lcuk: Title bar clock is harmless - it updates once a minute Oct 13 12:28:59 i still wonder if X refreshes the screen while screen off honestly Oct 13 12:29:05 Flashing searchbox cursor I have been suspecting for a long time Oct 13 12:29:12 it doesn't stop after a while, i receive some time mails during the night and in the morning it's still flashing. i just think that it doesn't flash when the screen is off because i never have low battery in the morning.. Oct 13 12:29:17 that would be a simple hack/improvement Oct 13 12:29:19 But it is not usually activated Oct 13 12:29:20 are you sure... if its out of sync timing wise, it could display the same minute number for nearly 2 minutes Oct 13 12:30:01 well, rss reader with scrolling brings it down for sure, even with the screen off Oct 13 12:30:15 So, I guess it is still refreshing unless application tells it not to Oct 13 12:30:23 maybe a simple screensaver that goes blank would help on things? Oct 13 12:30:32 then it doesn't get asked to redraw Oct 13 12:30:49 but these things initiate redraws themselves Oct 13 12:30:54 mm Oct 13 12:31:14 Stskeeps, then you have dual problem of one element attempting to refresh its part of the screen then being overdrawn by the blank overlapping window Oct 13 12:31:29 Things stop update when the screen in blank. Oct 13 12:31:37 s/update/updating/ Oct 13 12:31:37 GAN800 meant: Things stop updating when the screen in blank. Oct 13 12:31:56 GAN800: cos of a hildon/gtk trick or? Oct 13 12:32:20 GAN800, dont be so certain. the app has to specifically listen for the correct events and handle accordingly Oct 13 12:32:27 Dunno the specifics, but they do. Oct 13 12:32:38 lcuk, and Nokia stuff does. Oct 13 12:32:57 As they'd be out of spec if they didn't. Oct 13 12:33:27 what about the known problem of rss reader drainage Oct 13 12:33:44 Random 3rd party shit, sure, there's uncertainty there, but we're not talking random 3rd party shit. Oct 13 12:33:47 apparantly still scrolling in the dark Oct 13 12:34:06 That should've been fixed a while ago. Oct 13 12:34:30 If it's not stopping, then that's a bug and should be reported Oct 13 12:34:42 but the spec says they stop. Oct 13 12:35:30 yes, and as with everything, sometimes variations and exclusions from the spec occur and you rightly say they are bugs Oct 13 12:35:30 but the key is that this stoppage has to happen in response to a gtk event? Oct 13 12:36:02 I believe it's a dbus event. Oct 13 12:36:10 i'd suspect that too Oct 13 12:36:25 RST38h, yes, theres events which occur centrally to tell you to essentially hibernate because you arent topdog anymore and blank unblank lock type events Oct 13 12:37:10 however, im not sure how many of these events things like desktop applets are expected to listen to Oct 13 12:38:35 its these events that i bail of out liqbase on, i havent got 100% info on how to handle them, so i close app as soon as they occur - better that than sit there draining battery or stuck in background Oct 13 12:40:26 I know for sure home applets are expected to stop when they're in the background or the screen is blanked. Oct 13 12:41:51 but things like rss run concurrently with other applets, what do you mean by background? Oct 13 12:42:05 as in when a fullapp is coveruing? Oct 13 12:45:23 * RST38h is not handling those events right now Oct 13 12:45:30 Probably should go to sleep or something Oct 13 12:45:59 There can only be one window on top, when the desktop isn't it, they shouldn't be doing things. Oct 13 12:46:54 why does people want dsme for light sensor alterations? that's mce? :P Oct 13 12:47:13 plugin base example here http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo Oct 13 12:47:32 I just want to be able to play with Nokia's broken sensor logic, whereever it is. Oct 13 12:47:46 shows the api entries called by hildon for foreground/background/statesave - but the example doesnt use them Oct 13 12:47:49 On the other hand, I sleep on focus-out Oct 13 12:47:54 Is that sufficient? Oct 13 12:48:02 GAN800: ..get a 770 and get mce.tar.gz :P Oct 13 12:48:10 from HE Oct 13 12:48:24 RST38h, is yours a desktop applet Oct 13 12:48:33 Stskeeps, Firefox can't find the server at mce.tar.gz. Oct 13 12:48:53 machine check exception? Oct 13 12:48:56 crashanddie: pft Oct 13 12:48:56 :P Oct 13 12:49:27 <_|Nix|_> Gods below! maemo.org is /still/ horribly slow ... Oct 13 12:49:42 lcuk: No, normal app Oct 13 12:49:51 Nix, server move still isn't done, apparentlt. Oct 13 12:49:54 <_|Nix|_> I've literally been waiting 5 minutes for http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ Oct 13 12:49:56 lcuk, that's for the old ugly API Oct 13 12:49:59 lcuk: But the matter still applies Oct 13 12:50:20 Fatal, machine control entity. Oct 13 12:50:23 Nix: The common conclusion reached this morning is that you should use email to send http requests to maemo.org from now on Oct 13 12:50:37 <_|Nix|_> LOL :o) Oct 13 12:50:55 But at least these guys started figuring out that something fishy is going on with their MySQL server Oct 13 12:51:02 GAN800: ok, I've only run into MCE as part of kernel output, and there it's machine check exception, I hate TLAs :) Oct 13 12:51:21 <_|Nix|_> "Hi!, Could you guys please attach http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ to your reply to this email? TIA, and Best regards!" Oct 13 12:52:00 <_|Nix|_> At least the buildbot is decent. Oct 13 12:54:33 Just this morning there were complainta about the buildbot Oct 13 12:54:59 Apparently it tries to test an application using QEmu and SB1 version of QEmu is unreliable Oct 13 12:55:26 <_|Nix|_> BTW: I've uploaded a debhelper-like add-package-icon-to-package util to extras-devel: debhelper-maemo-package-icons. You simply add debian/package-name.png and put dh_maemo_package_icons to the top of the binary-arch target and dh_maemo_package_icons --remove to the bottom of binary-arch, and all packages that have package-name.png files in debian/ will have that as their package icon. Oct 13 12:55:40 <_|Nix|_> Whaddya think? Disastrous? Oct 13 12:56:34 Pure evil. Oct 13 12:56:45 <_|Nix|_> Egads! Why? Oct 13 12:58:21 _|Nix|_: sounds good Oct 13 12:58:30 <_|Nix|_> Stskeeps: Sweetness ... Oct 13 12:58:46 What is wrong with running uuencode -m and pasting the result into control file? Oct 13 12:59:07 * Jaffa assumes RST38h is being sarcastic. Oct 13 12:59:15 <_|Nix|_> RST38h: You have to keep your control file up-to-date. Oct 13 12:59:17 * RST38h is always like that Oct 13 12:59:37 Nix: My icons change very rarely, isn't much of a problem... Oct 13 13:09:36 hello Oct 13 13:09:42 my scratchbox just stopped working Oct 13 13:09:49 when I try to run anything just compiled it says Oct 13 13:09:58 mmap: Permission denied Oct 13 13:10:11 exact strace: Oct 13 13:10:14 [pid 13086] mmap2(0x8000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 4, 0) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) Oct 13 13:10:24 where 4 is a fd of executable file Oct 13 13:21:04 "Finally, libcalmodule.so will be dropped. " Oct 13 13:21:06 no shit Oct 13 13:21:10 knew that was coming Oct 13 13:22:04 Stskeeps: what does/did it do? Oct 13 13:22:46 Robot101: CAL is the area that nokia doesn't think people have the know how to get access to, with wlan mac, calibration data, and other stuff, and then keeps hiding away Oct 13 13:23:35 right, I know this because the flasher misidentified a prototype and destroyed the CAL block, resulting in both devices having WLAN mac address ending c0:ff:ee :P Oct 13 13:25:26 * Stskeeps should really document his findings so this whole charade can stop Oct 13 13:29:04 is that cal or hal? ;) Oct 13 13:29:46 cal Oct 13 13:30:09 anyone also using telepathy-haze and having a failing MSN connection? Oct 13 13:30:24 aquatix: I think it'll be the SSL certificate Oct 13 13:30:29 it even seems to segfault in the background (as i get coredumps) Oct 13 13:30:36 Robot101: ah Oct 13 13:30:46 Robot101: any idea why it worked before the latest diablo update? Oct 13 13:30:53 or rather, why it stopped since? :) Oct 13 13:31:14 aquatix: verisign or Microsoft's certificate expired, and they issued a new one, i think Oct 13 13:31:23 ah, right Oct 13 13:31:27 aquatix: so you need newer SSL certificates in order to connect Oct 13 13:31:39 wjt: aquatix is seeing core dumps, so maybe it's not the SSL thing at all? Oct 13 13:31:39 so, erm, how to install those? Oct 13 13:31:51 aquatix: you're using a 0.1.x haze, right? Oct 13 13:32:02 wjt: let me check the exact version Oct 13 13:32:11 older hazes segv with probability 1/2 if there's an error connecting :P Oct 13 13:32:21 :) Oct 13 13:32:43 filled up my card quite quickly btw ;) Oct 13 13:32:45 aquatix: will you be around in like 1 hour? we're about to go for lunch. :) Oct 13 13:32:51 aquatix: you could see which certificates are in Debian's latest ca-certificates package but not in maemo's Oct 13 13:33:05 i have account-plugin-haze version 0.1-1 Oct 13 13:33:10 wjt: maemo has libcst and magical certificate store with GUI Oct 13 13:33:11 Robot101: sure Oct 13 13:33:14 oh does it really Oct 13 13:33:15 wjt: so you have to look in that gui Oct 13 13:33:19 le sigh. Oct 13 13:33:39 Robot101: enjoy your lunch first :) Oct 13 13:33:40 aquatix: i'll be back in a bit Oct 13 13:33:47 wjt: and you too of course Oct 13 13:33:52 :) Oct 13 13:34:00 aquatix: it was a certificate added between ca-certificates 20070303-0.1 and 20080809 in Debian Oct 13 13:34:09 Robot101: ah :) Oct 13 13:34:16 i wonder if i could include it in the new haze packages i was working on yesterday Oct 13 13:34:22 and I think it was a verisign cert or something Oct 13 13:34:26 wjt: yeah that might make it work Oct 13 13:34:26 :P Oct 13 13:34:34 wjt: or make the postinst poke the cert into libcst or somethibng Oct 13 13:34:37 *something Oct 13 13:34:38 Robot101: right Oct 13 13:34:40 * aquatix installed from the collabora haze repository btw Oct 13 13:34:42 that's what i was thinking Oct 13 13:34:42 a job for... after lunch man! Oct 13 13:34:44 lcuk: just installed liqbase 005 - great work!!! Oct 13 13:34:57 Robot101, wjt: get to lunch dammit ;) Oct 13 14:15:37 I can't find the instructions for using the flasher utility for Linux. Oct 13 14:15:53 I'm trying to flash my N800 with Diablo Oct 13 14:17:40 http://fosswire.com/2007/12/30/n800-users-flash-to-os2008/ <- first hit on google Oct 13 14:17:40 ~flashing Oct 13 14:17:41 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 13 14:17:44 * aquatix looks for the wiki Oct 13 14:17:45 ah Oct 13 14:17:51 ^ see that one ;) Oct 13 14:18:01 * johnx practices his quick-draw Oct 13 14:18:14 * lcuk draws a stickman Oct 13 14:18:38 all thanks Oct 13 14:18:48 :) Oct 13 14:33:28 is there a way to get rid of the scrollbar in terminal Oct 13 14:34:14 * crashanddie wants to register isaid.no Oct 13 14:37:48 register said.no and then sell off subdomains Oct 13 14:40:09 your.mom.should.have.said.no? Oct 13 14:40:18 ghehehe Oct 13 14:41:47 Robot101: back yet? :) Oct 13 14:42:31 he's still out, but i'm back Oct 13 14:43:22 the.answer.is.no\ Oct 13 14:43:33 hrm, .eh is reserved Oct 13 14:43:42 (no it's not an alias for .ca) Oct 13 14:43:52 who is .eh? Oct 13 14:43:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.eh Oct 13 14:44:11 ah shit Oct 13 14:44:21 annoying.eh Oct 13 14:44:55 canadian.eh Oct 13 14:45:37 you evil canadian haters Oct 13 14:46:12 can't forget them getting n810s before the us, eh? ;) Oct 13 14:46:12 wjt: hey :) Oct 13 14:56:07 wjt: so, erm, interested in wrapping up a new package for telepathy haze with new certs and such? :) Oct 13 14:58:59 aquatix: yes Oct 13 14:59:00 lcuk: what's the essense of /sys/devices/platform/dsp/state Oct 13 14:59:01 ? Oct 13 14:59:07 aquatix: did you figure out what certs are needed? Oct 13 14:59:19 wjt: hm, not yet Oct 13 14:59:25 aquatix: hopefully i'll have time one of the next few evenings to finish the new packages Oct 13 14:59:34 aquatix: so if you don't locate the cert i will do so :) Oct 13 14:59:37 didn't Robot101 know which to use? Oct 13 14:59:47 i can look at one of my debian machine Oct 13 14:59:49 +s Oct 13 15:00:41 lcuk: btw, I get screen corruption in 0.0.4 too. It may be because I'm using rotation kernel or due to changes in xserver and kernel in 36-5 Oct 13 15:06:12 wjt: hm, frankly, i don't have a clue :) Oct 13 15:06:34 aquatix: well, i'll get on the case asap Oct 13 15:07:00 the list is a bit too large too see which one is relevant for mickeysoft Oct 13 15:07:06 sure Oct 13 15:07:10 some verisign one i guess Oct 13 15:07:13 great :) Oct 13 15:07:43 no hurries Oct 13 15:27:11 wjt: fyi, i'm going home now; will be back in a few hours Oct 13 15:27:29 k Oct 13 15:51:45 qemu is totally broken :( Oct 13 15:52:36 for per-binary running? probably Oct 13 15:52:41 use a sbrsh to a qemu instead Oct 13 15:52:59 he cant Oct 13 15:53:06 :D Oct 13 15:53:24 you knew ;) Oct 13 15:54:01 hrw says that sb1 qemu version is outdated Oct 13 15:54:23 and autobuilder uses sb1 Oct 13 15:54:35 i don't have any package with tests that successfully built in qemu Oct 13 15:54:42 that's bad Oct 13 15:55:17 it is probably some really small detail Oct 13 15:55:52 for me it was the open file dialog - made me switch to the real device Oct 13 15:56:11 let's put some n8x0 as armel builders? Oct 13 15:56:58 or just make a realistic submission procedure Oct 13 15:57:00 or just beagleboards. they'd fit in nicely together with the 770s running maemo.org Oct 13 15:57:13 :) Oct 13 15:57:16 (major improvement Oct 13 15:57:17 that takes into account stuff that is broken Oct 13 15:57:37 ok, off to the subway Oct 13 15:57:42 * Stskeeps goes compile maemo-gtk for debian to see how badly it breaks. Oct 13 15:58:10 I talked with tekojo a bit about Beagles Oct 13 15:58:15 what's the point in having fast but incompatible builder? Oct 13 15:58:20 that'd be quite cool. Oct 13 15:59:42 maemo on beagles or? Oct 13 16:00:09 For the builder Oct 13 16:00:12 ah Oct 13 16:01:05 is it possible to use debian repos directly from deblet? Oct 13 16:02:38 slonopotamus: we use debian repos as main source Oct 13 16:02:41 then we put stuff on top Oct 13 16:05:03 oh Oct 13 16:05:24 that's good. are you based in lenny? Oct 13 16:05:28 on Oct 13 16:05:49 it's up to what you select in installer Oct 13 16:05:50 sid or lenny Oct 13 16:05:55 etch doesn't exist for armel properly so Oct 13 16:06:04 hmm... Oct 13 16:06:31 sid and lenny have different versions of libc, right? Oct 13 16:06:45 no clue, i guess lenny is based on current sid isn't it? Oct 13 16:06:48 lenny is next stable release Oct 13 16:07:12 visa versa Oct 13 16:07:34 hmm... Oct 13 16:07:42 or maybe i'm wrong Oct 13 16:08:20 anyway. i don't think you can use same binaries in lenny _and_ in sid Oct 13 16:08:21 well, they obviously branched lenny at some point :P Oct 13 16:08:53 slonopotamus: libc is mostly backwards compatible though. Oct 13 16:08:56 ABI wise Oct 13 16:10:19 libdb's debiaan/rules has pretty variable VERY_BROKEN_ARCHES :) i love it Oct 13 16:10:57 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/fakeroot_1.9.5maemo1/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt Oct 13 16:11:00 is it ok? Oct 13 16:11:16 it built perfectly for armel Oct 13 16:11:58 (after disabling tests) Oct 13 16:13:44 Hi everyone ! Oct 13 16:14:20 hi Oct 13 16:14:41 Hello Khertan_n810, haven't seen you in a while :) Oct 13 16:15:03 I need to do your theme border hack again, the borders are fugly >.< Oct 13 16:15:32 There is something that i don t understand with python thread what exactly gtk.gdk.threads_enter() do ? Oct 13 16:15:46 hi qwerty12, yep i was ill Oct 13 16:15:55 so. instead of building package for one environment, i need to build it for three: qemu, x86 and armel. all of them have different packages and tools. this drives me crazy. Oct 13 16:16:24 Khertan, locks the "gdk core" Oct 13 16:16:57 Khertan, you should only do anything gdk (and most of gtk too) if you have the lock Oct 13 16:17:08 * Stskeeps shakes his head Oct 13 16:17:31 how can gdk compiling fail with.. gdk include file error Oct 13 16:17:37 why do we sign upload packages if 'dpkg-source: warning: could not verify signature on ./fakeroot_1.9.5maemo1.dsc since gpg isn't installed' Oct 13 16:17:48 ? Oct 13 16:17:51 slonopotamus: that's a neat question Oct 13 16:18:21 :) this world is broken somehow Oct 13 16:18:28 because a tool need it Oct 13 16:18:59 i create a process in which i get event and update the StoreList Oct 13 16:19:37 each time user click on a button to see an other date i create an other process Oct 13 16:20:20 it s result in a storelist with wrong result in it if previous process wasn t ended Oct 13 16:20:45 so before creating process i create a new storelist Oct 13 16:21:11 but it seems old process still insert value in the new one Oct 13 16:21:26 is there some cache in treeview ? Oct 13 16:22:38 queue isn t an option it ll really slow navigation when switching month Oct 13 16:24:57 hum my problem doen st seems to interest someone Oct 13 16:24:59 :) Oct 13 16:25:16 :) Oct 13 16:25:22 that's normal Oct 13 16:27:07 a simple way will be to kill process but it s not possible in python Oct 13 16:36:25 ping Oct 13 16:37:31 pong Oct 13 16:37:37 RST Oct 13 16:40:47 * qwerty12 decides between aufs and unionfs 2.x Oct 13 16:41:50 * qwerty12 just realised how exciting that sounds Oct 13 16:42:09 qwerty12, having a choice? Oct 13 16:42:30 qwerty12: well, which one? :-) Oct 13 16:43:01 johnx: deciding between aufs and unionfs :P. I compiled unionfs modules for the tablet last time so I'll go with aufs :) Oct 13 16:43:34 ccooke: aufs :). Their page says unionfs 2.x copies stuff from aufs so I go with the authentic stuff :) Oct 13 16:43:35 qwerty12, you'll have to tell me how it goes. I'm somewhat curious :) Oct 13 16:44:19 qwerty12: Thought so :-) Oct 13 16:44:38 (it looks the more vibrant project) Oct 13 16:44:46 qwerty12: what was the problem last time with unionfs? Oct 13 16:44:53 kernel needed recompile too? Oct 13 16:45:02 johnx: sure, I just got to wait for this diablo kernel to compile. I keep having a 37.5kb patch which I have to keep updating when new ssu is out :) Oct 13 16:45:13 Stskeeps: yep, I had to make the kernel export an extra symbol Oct 13 16:45:21 qwerty12, gotta push those changes upstream :P Oct 13 16:45:32 qwerty12: is that such a problem to push a unionfs+rotated+etc kernel? Oct 13 16:46:14 johnx: It's just patches mainly by others. I think the only thing I've done is remove the EAC: play enabled, rec disabled messages because they were so annoying to me Oct 13 16:46:30 Stskeeps: No idea :P Oct 13 16:46:38 ahaha Oct 13 16:47:02 johnx: i'm going to try to compile maemo-gtk. Oct 13 16:47:48 Stskeeps, hmm... Oct 13 16:47:57 What is VDSO support? I am tyring to install the maemo SDK and it complains that I have to disable this Oct 13 16:48:14 johnx: well it is gtk2.12 based so Oct 13 16:48:24 it's usually gtkmm people complain about afaik Oct 13 16:48:25 :P Oct 13 16:52:05 hello Oct 13 16:52:18 anyone have opinions on who makes the best 16gb SDHC card? Oct 13 16:52:28 trascend vs patriot vs adata? Oct 13 16:52:39 Usually the answer is 'SanDisk' Oct 13 16:52:46 i've heard adata cards are a little flimsy compared to patriot Oct 13 16:52:47 hmm Oct 13 16:52:48 VDSO support in the kernel, anyone know what this is? Oct 13 16:53:05 But they're also usually several orders of magnitude more expensive. Oct 13 16:53:06 cyrus__: there's a notice about it regarding ubuntu i thin Oct 13 16:53:07 k Oct 13 16:53:34 GAN800: yeah the sandisk 16gb is 65 bucks on newegg Oct 13 16:53:36 I have Transcend cards and AData cards, I've never had an issue with either. Oct 13 16:53:40 their compeititors are 30-40 Oct 13 16:53:42 cyrus__, if you google VDSO maemo sdk you'll get a faster answer than here I think Oct 13 16:53:59 I know other people who have had nothing but issues with both. Oct 13 16:54:04 hmm Oct 13 16:54:07 why is adata priced as the cheapest one at 30? Oct 13 16:54:11 l7, my adata cards are not holding up so well Oct 13 16:54:14 i have an adata and haven't had a problem with Oct 13 16:54:20 johnx: what is wrong with them? Oct 13 16:54:23 I'd just go with the newegg reviews for any particular card. Oct 13 16:54:33 getting I/O errors when using them with ext2/3 Oct 13 16:54:41 under normal use they're fine Oct 13 16:54:56 normal = digital camera or music storage, formatted vfat Oct 13 16:55:08 yeah, the newegg reviews for the adata transcend and patriot are all good, though there are a few dissenting voices Oct 13 16:55:26 hmm Oct 13 16:56:28 vfat = fat32? Oct 13 16:56:34 yeah Oct 13 16:57:57 i guess the n800 format function format SD media then Oct 13 16:58:15 hmm... is there still a market for n810s? Oct 13 16:58:41 i guess the n800 format function format SD media as vfat then Oct 13 16:58:45 bleh, editing Oct 13 16:59:16 l7, correct. probably fat16 for <=2GB cards and fat32 for >=4GB cards Oct 13 17:00:05 any idea why the adata cards have issues with ext2/3? Oct 13 17:00:28 summatusmentis: probably Oct 13 17:01:12 i like the idea of using an SD card as a USB boot device Oct 13 17:01:15 l7, I'm not sure if it has to do with the fs, or that they tend to have badblocks that only show up under heavier write usage Oct 13 17:01:53 the fs thing could be a red herring when in fact they might not have many spare blocks reserved to cover failing blocks Oct 13 17:02:02 ^conjecture^ Oct 13 17:02:15 hmm there's some specs on the adata at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 it says it has the card has "Enhanced DSC function" Oct 13 17:03:10 Die Soon as i Can? Oct 13 17:03:11 :P Oct 13 17:03:20 have you been able to use ext2/3 file systems on cards not made by adata? Oct 13 17:03:42 yeah, strangely the other offbrand I use "ALL-WAYS" seems to be fine Oct 13 17:03:56 but I've had bad luck with PQI as well as an older lexar card Oct 13 17:03:59 heh, which brand is it? Oct 13 17:04:14 i suppose i'll do some tests on my old adata 8gb card later Oct 13 17:04:54 I've also been swapping to my cards, I'm sure that's no good for them either Oct 13 17:05:11 next time, maybe I'll try transcend Oct 13 17:06:14 any hints on installing minigpsd. my gps-utils-tools is to high version Oct 13 17:07:19 hi again Oct 13 17:07:20 :) Oct 13 17:07:36 still about threading in python ... Oct 13 17:08:06 creating 10 thread seems to freeze all the maemo ui Oct 13 17:08:07 is it normal ? Oct 13 17:09:11 as i think there are some priorities set for maemo ui Oct 13 17:10:20 anyway i don t see anyway to set priority on python thread Oct 13 17:12:06 hum ... Oct 13 17:14:16 johnx: have you tried patriot for ext2/3 yet? Oct 13 17:14:29 l7, I haven't. only cheap cards :D Oct 13 17:14:40 heh Oct 13 17:14:43 well, even cheaper than patriot I should say Oct 13 17:14:56 patriot and trascend 16gbs are both about 40 Oct 13 17:15:17 though i did see a deal last august where the patriot 16gb was $30 after rebates Oct 13 17:15:23 Stskeeps: I ask because I'm not using mine enough, and I need a new iPod Oct 13 17:15:44 l7, prices depend on one's location :) Oct 13 17:15:54 heh Oct 13 17:15:57 fatwallet is a good source Oct 13 17:16:15 summatusmentis, it looks like they're selling for reasonable rates still Oct 13 17:16:17 though i guess if you are outside the US, it might be more expensive to pay for intl shipping on some deals Oct 13 17:16:41 l7, exactly. shipping can quickly end up more expensive than the product shipped Oct 13 17:17:06 johnx: cool Oct 13 17:17:15 l7 > this is so high in france due to tax that it s still a good deal with high shipping price Oct 13 17:17:42 tax here is higher than the product itself Oct 13 17:17:54 wow, VAT must be a killer Oct 13 17:18:12 (tax for piracy on all storage product) Oct 13 17:18:14 though maybe when the euro was stronger vs the dollar, it might have been a sweeter deal Oct 13 17:18:22 ouch Oct 13 17:18:26 (indexed for hard drive on Go capacity) Oct 13 17:18:40 afternoone Khertan_n810 Oct 13 17:18:43 ah, that's a really stupid tax Oct 13 17:18:48 (but in Mo for sdcard as law haven t be updated) Oct 13 17:18:56 nice way to hinder innovation Oct 13 17:18:59 hi lcuk Oct 13 17:19:31 * lcuk tried threading in liqbase Oct 13 17:19:44 l7 : france / innovation ... do you not see the problem ? :) Oct 13 17:19:45 i took it out again almost instantly and found a better alternative Oct 13 17:19:50 lol lcuk Oct 13 17:19:58 i m threading mCalendar Oct 13 17:20:01 Khertan_n810: :) Oct 13 17:20:08 good luck with that one Khertan_n810 Oct 13 17:20:25 where do you need threads for though? Oct 13 17:20:25 johnx: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/temp.png - Any ideas :D? I'm tempted to go with last option... Oct 13 17:20:30 and the pain at this time is founding way to prioritize thread Oct 13 17:20:31 Khertan_n810: do other EU countries have lower taxes as far as VAT and media piracy tax? Oct 13 17:20:45 as python don t bother of priority in thread Oct 13 17:21:10 l7 : yep, don t say it but many here bought media in germany :) Oct 13 17:21:18 Khertan_n810, what are you actually threading though, is it network connections or loading and rendering etc Oct 13 17:21:20 qwerty12, well it is a higher number... What's the option about? branches of what? Oct 13 17:21:57 networking was already threaded Oct 13 17:22:05 Khertan_n810: heh sweet Oct 13 17:22:10 but no i m threading all the other thing Oct 13 17:22:38 and separating ui and event management Oct 13 17:22:42 into a framework Oct 13 17:22:56 johnx: I think branches are unions in aufs - how much folders it will branch together maximum. I want to go with maximum but at the same time, I keep wondering why it's an option. Maybe allowing for more branches uses more memory? Oct 13 17:23:00 to be able to access data from other applications easily Oct 13 17:23:09 when i am loading sketches, i chose initially to load a sketch, render a frame, load a sketch, render frame. when i put the loading into its own thread it killed everything Oct 13 17:23:20 lol Oct 13 17:23:33 so i reverted to the old way and it works better Oct 13 17:23:46 and i can stop loading if i am busy :) just find something which works for you Oct 13 17:24:01 yep ... i freeze the maemo ui when around ten thread are running Oct 13 17:24:17 qwerty12, yeah, it would be strange to make it a compile time option unless it affected performance. or maybe it's a safety feature to prevent users from using it for some kind of DoS attack on your server? Oct 13 17:24:23 it depends what the 10 threads are there for, it does sound like an awful lot Oct 13 17:25:07 10 thread retrieving and parsing events in the sqlite database Oct 13 17:25:15 hmm, has anyone had problems with the plastic on their SD card breaking or cracking? Oct 13 17:25:18 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=20-211-245&SortField=1&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=100&SelectedRating=-1&PurchaseMark=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&Page=1&Keywords=plastic&=1&=100 Oct 13 17:25:26 ahhh, all trying to access the main database Oct 13 17:25:38 all having their own concurrency and locking issues Oct 13 17:25:49 yep but in a read only way Oct 13 17:25:50 i dont think sqlite is thread safe either (I might be totally wrong) Oct 13 17:25:58 so no concurrency Oct 13 17:26:01 i remember something tohugh Oct 13 17:26:01 johnx: Hmm, I never thought of the second idea. I can't seem to find anything in it's README. I'll go with 32767 and see if I notice any adverse effects later :) Oct 13 17:26:08 s/it's/its Oct 13 17:26:13 not thread safe Oct 13 17:26:31 l7: no, but people have had their sd slot gooey and wet Oct 13 17:26:31 :P Oct 13 17:26:32 but openning and closing in a thread is sae Oct 13 17:27:08 but how do you know if one thread has not already opened it Oct 13 17:27:26 Stskeeps: that makes no sense :p Oct 13 17:27:50 don t know ... but you can open several instance in read only Oct 13 17:28:15 l7: Not an sd card, but my cousin once had a fake 1gb memory stick pro duo in his psp and the card melted. He was *pissed* :p Oct 13 17:28:18 l7: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23001 Oct 13 17:28:25 khertan, you open and close the database lots? owuld you be better with a single gatekeeper process running which talks directly to the database, the other actors in your scene all talk to this one main DB connection Oct 13 17:29:03 l7: (best thread ever) Oct 13 17:29:31 lcuk ... yep but require a lot of coding Oct 13 17:30:01 heh yeah i know, have you tried it totally without threading initially Oct 13 17:30:20 l7, that thread is so good the only thing which could make it better is bacon Oct 13 17:30:58 nope ... a beer could do it also ... Oct 13 17:31:00 :) Oct 13 17:31:07 haha Oct 13 17:31:10 only if its washing the bacon down Oct 13 17:31:20 well i wonder if it's a blow capacitor or battery leak Oct 13 17:31:28 read it through for a surprise Oct 13 17:31:30 no, he left it in a damp place Oct 13 17:31:32 still on page 2 Oct 13 17:31:38 we diagnosed it with him i believe Oct 13 17:31:47 condensation? Oct 13 17:31:57 there was something (a banana i think) in a pocket and it went mouldy Oct 13 17:32:02 i mean how wet was it? Oct 13 17:32:10 oh gross Oct 13 17:32:15 a wet slot, how wet could it be? :P Oct 13 17:32:20 haha Oct 13 17:32:27 I just found a rotting banana in the bottom of the big pocket of my backpack where I keep the tablet. It must have been there for days, maybe a week. What a ****ing tool I am! Oct 13 17:32:35 well, it's good to know the n800 doesn't have too many capacitor or battery leaks Oct 13 17:32:42 it has bugs Oct 13 17:32:48 ugh Oct 13 17:33:16 so that explains the moisture and the creatures Oct 13 17:33:16 yeah, the n800 physical construction is terrifyingly solid Oct 13 17:33:19 compact and functional Oct 13 17:34:18 hmm, i'm glad i got my n800 for like $200 before they went out of stock Oct 13 17:34:49 the n810 is still priced at like $380? crazy Oct 13 17:35:56 it was down to $300 for a while, but I think it's coming back up? Oct 13 17:36:29 probably the wimax thing Oct 13 17:36:40 is wimax really worth it? Oct 13 17:36:52 wifi internet with cellphone coverage Oct 13 17:36:54 l7, do you live in a city with wimax? Oct 13 17:37:39 depending upon usage and location it can be amazing, no more need to tether to a phone, simply use it Oct 13 17:37:42 is there a list of cities that have wimax? Oct 13 17:37:49 l7, not really Oct 13 17:37:58 l7, just keep your eye out locally Oct 13 17:38:08 ive got it here in manchester i believe Oct 13 17:38:15 looks like pakistan has it Oct 13 17:38:22 if yu live in a city with wimax i would say: definitely worth it. no wimax near you = not worth it Oct 13 17:39:00 lol johnx, you speak like a highly paid consultant Oct 13 17:39:16 i don't really want to pay for wimax though :) Oct 13 17:39:36 then dont get a wimax device :) some people value what it offers Oct 13 17:39:41 l7, well, you answered your own question then :P Oct 13 17:39:50 hmm it looks like sprint is rolling out wimax in the us Oct 13 17:40:44 open access sounds nice though, $55 a month is rather pricey Oct 13 17:41:13 * lcuk wants devices charged up Oct 13 17:41:29 johnx, both were flat as a pancake this morning, and both were charged last night Oct 13 17:41:48 lcuk, charge. them. overnight. :P Oct 13 17:41:56 you sleep, they sleep, everyone wins Oct 13 17:42:20 only 1 charger lol, but i dont leave it charging overnight - the charger is near the computer and i dont trust the kids not to drop shit on em if i leave em out Oct 13 17:42:58 yeah, I end up pulling my charger and carrying it from computer to near bed when I want to read/surf in bed Oct 13 17:43:03 lcuk: 1 charger? what's your secret? Oct 13 17:43:24 where's my bedside stand with contactless charger? and my flying car? Oct 13 17:43:34 hmm, speaking of batteries, how do you guys get the n800 battery out? Oct 13 17:43:46 * qwerty12 used a knife at the start Oct 13 17:43:46 it seems to be jammed in there really tight Oct 13 17:43:55 l7, at first I just stuck a credit card in there Oct 13 17:44:06 now I can just smack the other side of the device and it comes out Oct 13 17:44:51 johnx you rebel Oct 13 17:44:54 eh, i'm rather afraid to smack the device Oct 13 17:44:57 l7: i use a flat screwdriver and pop at the bottom (away from the connector) Oct 13 17:44:57 :P Oct 13 17:45:16 .. at first i used stylus but it didn't work that well Oct 13 17:45:16 i tried the screwdriver method near the connector Oct 13 17:45:21 that was a mistake Oct 13 17:45:23 yeah Oct 13 17:45:23 :P Oct 13 17:45:33 it caused a sort of spark the battery went dead Oct 13 17:45:36 no1's screwing around with my device Oct 13 17:45:43 but it recharged okay after a day Oct 13 17:45:46 very strange Oct 13 17:45:52 on the 810 if you so much as touch the back panel it falls off and the battery follows it Oct 13 17:46:06 sounds like a good thing Oct 13 17:46:15 if the back panel stays on Oct 13 17:46:41 you know, nokia should include one of those ribbons like those old AA battery powered devices Oct 13 17:46:48 to make it easier to pull the battery out Oct 13 17:47:03 you can make one with tape Oct 13 17:47:09 yeah Oct 13 17:47:16 once you get the damned thing out ;) Oct 13 17:47:26 i was thinking of dental floss Oct 13 17:47:40 credit card you don't need, side opposite from the contact Oct 13 17:47:43 then you would miss the opportunity to pop the battery out with your tongue Oct 13 17:47:55 and that would be a shame. too easy. Oct 13 17:47:58 mm. oral love with your tablet. Oct 13 17:48:06 we've already established it's female :P Oct 13 17:48:10 * lcuk has an old nokia phone, the battery wont come out cos i superglued the fecker in there along with wires for my laser Oct 13 17:49:20 hmmm Oct 13 17:49:59 hahah the laser still works - its had one charge and used to run out of its button batteries really quickly Oct 13 17:50:16 * lcuk blinds everyone in the room Oct 13 18:16:56 Greetings. Oct 13 18:16:56 Young sausage - Delicious Woman. Oct 13 18:17:02 Sincerely, Kathy Alexander. Oct 13 18:17:14 What the hell are they advertizing again? Oct 13 18:17:22 qwerty Oct 13 18:17:43 RST38h Oct 13 18:17:54 qwerty12_N800, hey, did you know someone is going around called qwerty15 on the pandora forums? Oct 13 18:18:24 an imposter! Oct 13 18:18:38 johnx, lol, i know a qwerty123 :D. + i have qwerty12.exe... Oct 13 18:18:44 hi lardman :) Oct 13 18:18:52 hey qwerty12_N800 Oct 13 18:19:13 wjt: re Oct 13 18:19:40 and hi everybody else of course ;) Oct 13 18:20:45 * qwerty12_N800 quite likes the give statusbar bluetooth thing Oct 13 18:20:51 hi aquatix Oct 13 18:21:01 hey qwerty12_N800 :) Oct 13 18:21:07 he lo Oct 13 18:21:11 ooh, there's a statusbar bluetooth thing? Oct 13 18:21:16 han dw r Oct 13 18:21:45 nmph Oct 13 18:22:04 i guess they havent fixed handwriting recognition yet Oct 13 18:22:21 obviously Oct 13 18:22:25 7. Oct 13 18:22:30 * lcuk has an algo for that in liqbase Oct 13 18:22:37 ? Oct 13 18:22:45 * lcuk will develop it further soon Oct 13 18:23:05 handwriting recognition? neat Oct 13 18:23:19 Ve ry Oct 13 18:23:37 *g* Oct 13 18:24:18 lf it worKS Oct 13 18:24:51 Online gesture recognition, or offline character matching? Oct 13 18:25:06 or catting of /dev/urandom Oct 13 18:25:10 aquatix, http://www.matetelki.com/give/ - plays havoc with hildon-desktop though... it messes up text labels. i grabbed the source this morning and removed the locale code and now it works fine Oct 13 18:25:26 qwerty12_N800: interesting Oct 13 18:26:11 hm, i like the theme in those screenshots Oct 13 18:26:59 qwerty: extras? =) Oct 13 18:28:03 RST38h, it's not mine to shift :), plus it messes up hildon-desktop when you disable it :/ Oct 13 18:29:20 umgh Oct 13 18:30:38 derf - was that directed at me Oct 13 18:30:47 RST38h, btw, why upload emutools in non-free when you release source? :) Oct 13 18:31:12 qwerty: you should ask slonopotamus about that Oct 13 18:31:34 qemu problems? :/ Oct 13 18:31:40 besides, they are not GPLed so not free in Richard Stallman definition :) Oct 13 18:31:47 qwerty12_N800: that's an interesting app Oct 13 18:31:47 qwerty: yep Oct 13 18:32:11 ten bucks the guy ends up hired by nokia and we never see a open version again ;) Oct 13 18:32:22 lcuk: Yes. Oct 13 18:32:27 RST38h, ahh :). it was more out of curiosity that i asked Oct 13 18:32:49 just stroke recognition at present, but it will grow with time Oct 13 18:33:12 Stskeeps, lol, if u wanna try it, grab this deb: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=233128#post233128 Oct 13 18:33:14 So I assume you mean the former, then. Oct 13 18:33:24 im hoping to use the collection of sketches built in liqbase as customised personal dictionary :) Oct 13 18:33:31 Sts: Why do you need an open version if you do not intend to modify it? Oct 13 18:33:33 yeah Oct 13 18:34:28 I do research in this field also, you see. Oct 13 18:34:28 RST38h: for when developer gets run over by a bus and software underneath/API changes? Oct 13 18:34:44 ts: but you are till not modifying the code! Oct 13 18:35:24 Stskeeps, you seem to have a fantasy of people getting run over by buses :p Oct 13 18:35:36 derf: I've just checked out your qrcode, what's the status? Oct 13 18:35:43 *chant* information should be free! .. or something, really - i don't have a proper view on properitary vs open honestly Oct 13 18:35:48 lardman: It should build and run and decode things. Oct 13 18:36:03 cool :) Oct 13 18:36:03 qwerty12_N800, standard IT thing. always consider the "run over by bus scenario" Oct 13 18:36:05 qwerty12_N800: yeah, like, when nokia gets run over by a bus Oct 13 18:36:09 The binarization part needs some work (it is slow and tends to over-thin dark regions). Oct 13 18:36:30 nokia getting run over by a bus would be bad Oct 13 18:36:49 derf: does it run from the reader.c program? From a png? Oct 13 18:36:55 lardman: Yes. Oct 13 18:37:07 There should be a Makefile in the unix directory. Oct 13 18:37:28 johnx, I see :), never come across it before. btw, i have an aufs.ko sitting on my computer. i'll upload it tommorow :) Oct 13 18:37:29 derf: have you implemented the code to accept non-optimally aligned images? Oct 13 18:37:31 Stskeeps, lol Oct 13 18:37:36 Aligned? Oct 13 18:37:49 well the corners not being at right angles, etc. Oct 13 18:38:15 Yes... that would be most of the 4000 lines in qrdec.c. Oct 13 18:38:23 heh, cool derf :) in liqbase after every stroke is drawn it outputs the identified stroke code, its only normalized stroke laid over a simple grid but it appears to give consistent results for now Oct 13 18:38:42 lcuk: Ultimately you want to use a Hidden Markov Model. Oct 13 18:38:47 qwerty12_N800: sounds good, "Would you like to use your SD as extended space for your Maemo" Oct 13 18:38:57 derf: :) ok, just asking as I thought I'd borrow code to align images for the pdf417 code Oct 13 18:39:02 Because you're doing things online, you have a well-defined path for the 1-D optimization of an HMM to follow. Oct 13 18:39:26 lardman: It's very dependent on the finder patterns and other details of the QR code. Oct 13 18:39:35 derf: ok Oct 13 18:39:59 derf, thanks for the tip :) then i dive back into it and am scratchin my head about it ill look more :) Oct 13 18:40:02 You can certainly pull out the code that actually does the projections, and there's some other geometry stuff that might be reusable. Oct 13 18:40:29 Stskeeps, the nice thing is that i don't need to run a modified kernel with it. they do have a speed patch for aufs that is used with a patched kernel that can raise performance though Oct 13 18:40:30 But the part that actually estimates the transforms relies on being able to identify those patterns. Oct 13 18:42:20 I assume for PDF417 you'd be trying to identify the quiet zone/start pattern and fit lines to the edges of the pattern. Oct 13 18:43:40 basically yes that's my thought Oct 13 18:44:17 Not too difficult, but a lot harder to pick out the pattern with a lot of background clutter. Oct 13 18:44:46 I thought a number of horizontal lines to establish if the pattern exists, then to establish the positioning of the ends, then work up those to the tops and work out the top & bottom Oct 13 18:46:29 Yeah, certainly a lot easier than the datamatrix one. Oct 13 18:46:54 I would want to handle a pattern in general position, not just approximately horizontal, but that's just me. Oct 13 18:46:56 the wonders of 1.5D ;) Oct 13 18:47:20 you mean for the initial search? Oct 13 18:47:30 It's not that datamatrix is 2D, it's that it has no equivalent for the start codes/finder patterns that you can search for in the image. Oct 13 18:47:33 lardman: Yes. Oct 13 18:48:19 derf: Ideally one would perform arbitrary searches for the start bars, however quick is better than perfect, the user can just make sure he aligns it approximately Oct 13 18:49:37 Well, the ratios between segment lengths in the start codes should be somewhat insensitive to rotation. Oct 13 18:49:50 You just need to consider more than horizontal lines by themselves. Oct 13 18:50:25 qrdec starts with just horizontal+vertical, though I think it would be more robust with diagonal as well. Oct 13 18:50:35 to the first point, exactly; the second - yes, but horizontal lines will establish the gradient of the end bars from which to work out the angle, etc. Oct 13 18:50:48 ah I see Oct 13 18:51:07 yes, certainly worth adding in as it shouldn't add much more overhead (he says) ;) Oct 13 18:51:14 lardman: Right... you'd probably be interested in the line fitting code in qrdec. Oct 13 18:51:33 cool, will take a look Oct 13 18:52:03 Particularly the ransac bit, though you'll probably have to adapt that a bit, as its dependent on some internal data structures for convenience. Oct 13 18:52:53 And a lot of the stuff from the initial finder pattern search should carry over for your start code search, though I don't know if it's worth making fully general search code, or just keeping two similar but distinct routines. Oct 13 18:53:43 probably worth keeping them separate, the extra code will be small and at least they can then be optimised for a given barcode type if needed Oct 13 18:54:00 Right. That's only a hundred lines or so, anyway. Oct 13 19:09:14 hi! Oct 13 19:09:24 :) Oct 13 19:09:49 hi pupnik810 Oct 13 19:11:30 huhu! Oct 13 19:11:51 who here was from amsterdam? Oct 13 19:12:52 evening pupnik810 Oct 13 19:13:10 hi! Oct 13 19:13:49 what are you doing there? Oct 13 19:13:58 chatting, I guess Oct 13 19:14:22 that much i understood Oct 13 19:14:31 hehe Oct 13 19:14:37 bike tour Oct 13 19:14:45 beautiful day Oct 13 19:15:22 hey i gotta dl maps for default navi prog Oct 13 19:15:31 where i do this? Oct 13 19:15:47 Interesting, I can see a driver called tlv320aic33, and it's built into the kernel Oct 13 19:16:01 but the mixer controls present inside it aren't visible via ALSA Oct 13 19:16:05 anybody knows why? Oct 13 19:17:26 zap, how are you checking from alsa? i think i know this one Oct 13 19:17:27 however, alsa sees a card called "OMAP24xx EAC with codec TLV320AIC33" but it has neither pcm or ctl devices on it Oct 13 19:17:52 qwerty12_N800: sound/arm/omap/tlv320aic33.c Oct 13 19:18:28 Just curious, does maemo use ALSA for volume? Oct 13 19:19:01 maemo uses userland ALSA plugins Oct 13 19:19:08 which work through /dev/dsp/pcm3 Oct 13 19:19:53 the array aic33_controls has a lot of interesting mixer controls... never seen 'em in alsamixer... Oct 13 19:20:47 I was on this channel a few days ago and someone asked to change volume and alsamixer didnt work for them, so i was wondering if ALSA was really used. Oct 13 19:21:00 amixer didn't work either. Oct 13 19:21:17 zap, k, i think i got it. n800 and n810 have a different touchscreen and TLV320AIC33 is in the n800 but not in n810 Oct 13 19:21:31 alsamixer -Ddefault will show a single 'master volume' slider Oct 13 19:21:53 alsamixer didnt exist for the person. Oct 13 19:21:58 qwerty12_N800: seriously? Why the driver works on 810 then? Oct 13 19:22:13 Anyone know where i might be able to find a cheap used N800 for $150-170 ? Oct 13 19:22:17 zakkm: that does not matter, the 'default' ALSA device should be used, not hw:0 Oct 13 19:22:18 Toronto, Canada Oct 13 19:22:27 ebay? Oct 13 19:22:33 besides ebay Oct 13 19:22:39 store/ anyone selling? Oct 13 19:23:08 zap: no like alsamixer didnt exist in /usr/bin ... Oct 13 19:23:17 "command not found" or w.e it says Oct 13 19:23:54 qwerty12_N800: arch/arm/mach-omap2/n800-audio.c Oct 13 19:24:01 zap, i don't remember exactly but i remember seeing differences when i was porting n810 android touchscreen fix to n800 Oct 13 19:24:05 qwerty12_N800: but no n810-audio.c, so I presume audio is the same Oct 13 19:24:17 zap, let me find the thread... Oct 13 19:25:20 zap, http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:wC3yU4zwHUEJ:www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D21719%26page%3D5+TLV320AIC33+qwerty12&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk Oct 13 19:26:56 hmm pretty neat, that mixer shot shows all those hidden controls Oct 13 19:27:02 I wonder why alsamixer does not see them... Oct 13 19:30:30 hmm, TSC2301 mixer is implemented in drivers/spi/tsc2301-mixer.c Oct 13 19:32:46 board-n800-audio covers both TSC2301 and TLV320AIC33 chips... Oct 13 19:32:52 * moontiger is getting *really* bored with the crappy response times of maemo.org Oct 13 19:34:06 moontiger: i've thought about making a service that brings up google cache instead from *.maemo.org :P Oct 13 19:35:50 Hi, do you now an alternative site to download the latest Diablo bin image... Oct 13 19:36:15 aalonso: if you got a windows machine the windows flasher gets it from somewhere else Oct 13 19:36:32 from nokia site the image download every time stops at 64% Oct 13 19:36:46 Stskeeps, hahaha that would be so much faster Oct 13 19:37:07 seriously tho ... it doesnt inspire much when a company like nokia cant even get a damn website working properly Oct 13 19:37:09 Im on a debian based machine Oct 13 19:37:30 aalonso, what image you trying to get? Oct 13 19:37:57 latest diablo release 4.2008.23-14 Oct 13 19:38:33 i prolly have it somewhere if you would like me to host it somewhere? Oct 13 19:39:38 that would be great since I have a broken n810 :( that I need to re-flash Oct 13 19:39:51 give me 5 mins and i'll see what i can do ;) Oct 13 19:40:03 thanks... Oct 13 19:40:14 cant you DCC send over irc? Oct 13 19:40:43 let me see if i can find it Oct 13 19:40:53 whats the difference between diablo and chinook ? Oct 13 19:41:06 diablo is a newer release Oct 13 19:41:36 is it new UI , builtin software or anything or is it just the seamless updater? Oct 13 19:41:50 iirc chinook was less polished Oct 13 19:43:23 (and less finger friendly) Oct 13 19:43:43 Also, sorry lol, is there any way to do Tablet to PC .. videochat besides aMSN and gizmo ? Oct 13 19:43:56 skype Oct 13 19:44:14 well no, i tell a lie Oct 13 19:44:32 last time i tried skype video was not supported for my n800 Oct 13 19:44:37 where do i ger benelux maps for navi? Oct 13 19:44:46 running out of batt Oct 13 19:44:54 s/ger/get Oct 13 19:44:57 I was told you couldnt in skype the other day? Oct 13 19:45:07 i wouldnt mind using a older version of skype though? Oct 13 19:45:49 zakkm: voice works. barely. i tried skype witha friend who had an eee pc. the tablet was struggling to cope with the load Oct 13 19:46:20 My nokia 770 did voice chat in google talk thingy just fine, never tried skype though Oct 13 19:46:30 like many months ago Oct 13 19:46:44 ... Moontiger .. it wasnt me who wanted Oct 13 19:46:57 crap Oct 13 19:46:59 sorry Oct 13 19:46:59 aalonso <-- wanted Oct 13 19:47:01 who was it Oct 13 19:47:04 oooops Oct 13 19:47:05 :) Oct 13 19:47:09 its okay, i'm just saying. Oct 13 19:47:42 I was just suggesting that DCC might be better than uploading/ downloading Oct 13 19:48:20 dunno depends on the upload spped i get thru my comcastic link Oct 13 19:48:30 aalonso, *tap tap tap* Oct 13 19:48:32 thee problem is that dcc is a pain to support out-of-the-box if you are a router manufacturer Oct 13 19:48:50 if it sucks i can host on one of my servers Oct 13 19:48:58 Does Canola work well in diablo on n800? Oct 13 19:49:05 going through forum it looks like it doesnt work Oct 13 19:49:10 ?? Oct 13 19:49:13 rm_you: ta Oct 13 19:49:14 dcc Oct 13 19:49:18 diablo image Oct 13 19:49:20 i tried to use it, it was slow, i gave up months ago Oct 13 19:49:21 accept :) Oct 13 19:49:38 how do I do it Oct 13 19:49:54 ummm click ok when it prompts you? Oct 13 19:50:20 aalonso: what irc client? Oct 13 19:50:56 I see the file transfer 0% Oct 13 19:51:00 X-chat Oct 13 19:51:18 dcc not working? ;p Oct 13 19:51:40 aalonso, im uploading it to my server ... give it a few mins and i'll give you the link ;) Oct 13 19:51:55 moontiger_: personal server or remote? Oct 13 19:52:14 its hosted out there on the intertubes ;) Oct 13 19:52:23 i just set ddc auto accept... thanks Oct 13 19:52:28 yeah but is it in your house or something? Oct 13 19:52:31 home connection? Oct 13 19:52:38 no its a commercial hosted server Oct 13 19:52:42 oh thats cool :) Oct 13 19:52:43 big fat pipe Oct 13 19:52:57 upload will take 8 mins more Oct 13 19:53:36 zakkm, i do web stuff for a living mostly so i know what you were getting at Oct 13 19:53:58 really? cool. Oct 13 19:54:18 yah ... php / mysql / apache ... all that good stuff ... and i teach it part time Oct 13 19:54:27 tutoring? Oct 13 19:54:41 theres a college in downtown sf that i teach at Oct 13 19:54:51 cool :) Oct 13 19:55:08 i gave up on programming of all sorts. Oct 13 19:55:14 how come? Oct 13 19:55:22 dont have the math skills. Oct 13 19:55:35 doesnt always need math skills Oct 13 19:55:36 mysql is okay cause it doesnt confuse you too much Oct 13 19:55:43 its more basic in a sense. Oct 13 19:55:47 most people have trouble with databases Oct 13 19:55:56 but my school teaches like JAVA and stuff.. Oct 13 19:55:58 highschool Oct 13 19:56:00 designing them and implementing indexes and good queries Oct 13 19:56:20 you're at high school? Oct 13 19:56:30 yeah 12th grade. Oct 13 19:56:37 holy crap! Oct 13 19:56:38 surprised? Oct 13 19:56:40 * moontiger feels old Oct 13 19:56:48 It's okay, i do it to alot of people. Oct 13 19:56:53 hehe Oct 13 19:57:13 whats 12th grade? im english so i dont get the grade stuff Oct 13 19:57:15 computer hobbyist.. but dont like programming/ no good at it. Oct 13 19:57:21 uhh Oct 13 19:57:28 end of sixth form. Oct 13 19:57:33 last year of sixth form . i believe Oct 13 19:57:35 i mean how old are you in 12th grade Oct 13 19:57:48 Is there a way to tell which repository a package upgrade is from? Oct 13 19:57:54 year 13.. i know it doesnt go up that high but thats how many years Oct 13 19:57:58 17/18/19 Oct 13 19:58:12 ahhhhhhhhh so not like 12 or something Oct 13 19:58:17 oh pfft Oct 13 19:58:18 of course not Oct 13 19:58:18 * moontiger feels slightly less old now Oct 13 19:58:24 im 18 in march. Oct 13 19:58:30 heh cool Oct 13 19:58:40 what a great fukd up world you are coming into Oct 13 19:58:47 haha. Oct 13 19:59:02 the challenge is knowing how bad it is, before you turn 18, so you can prepare :P Oct 13 19:59:04 A friend of mine says to skip college, life wont last that long. Oct 13 19:59:16 lol Oct 13 19:59:17 that might not be so leftfield Oct 13 19:59:23 but i wouldnt skip college Oct 13 19:59:35 its great fun Oct 13 19:59:37 :) Oct 13 19:59:41 no, with the whole global warming, financial state of many countries currently.. Oct 13 19:59:46 etc etc Oct 13 19:59:57 yah i hear you Oct 13 20:00:06 * Stskeeps definately prefers uni over highschool Oct 13 20:00:07 im leaving here soon ... heading back to europe and africa Oct 13 20:00:16 uni ftw Oct 13 20:00:21 moontiger: where in the uk ? Oct 13 20:00:30 right now im in san francisco Oct 13 20:00:31 hehe mises.org called the crisis1 Oct 13 20:00:33 not uk Oct 13 20:00:35 uni, too expensive Oct 13 20:00:41 ah, said your english? so i figured uk Oct 13 20:00:46 uni, free tution in this country :> Oct 13 20:00:53 high taxes and student support, woop. :P Oct 13 20:00:53 ;o what country Oct 13 20:00:58 i was born in london and lived there for a while so im english Oct 13 20:01:00 .dk Oct 13 20:01:01 zakkm: depends where you live. some countries offer free education Oct 13 20:01:13 yeah, damn countries Oct 13 20:01:17 i travel ... thats my thing Oct 13 20:01:21 most of them are third-world too.. i don't get it. Oct 13 20:01:30 laptop + internet connection = happy moontiger Oct 13 20:01:33 moontiger: ever been to toronto? Oct 13 20:01:36 canada that is. Oct 13 20:01:37 Canada is not third world, and they offer free education :P Oct 13 20:01:42 no they dont? Oct 13 20:01:48 zakkm, i know where it is but no i havent been there Oct 13 20:01:49 not uni / college level. Oct 13 20:01:55 Ah, nm Oct 13 20:02:00 I live in Toronto, Canada Oct 13 20:02:05 Vancouver Oct 13 20:02:06 gets cold there Oct 13 20:02:11 We should start a petition for free uni and college Oct 13 20:02:15 i will be going to vancouver next year Oct 13 20:02:23 I KNOW its not free.. thats why im worrying about next year when im supposed to start college/uni Oct 13 20:02:26 i spend a lot of time in seattle too Oct 13 20:02:35 click170: good luck with that :) Oct 13 20:02:49 Greece is not third world either and uni is free Oct 13 20:02:53 brb need to make a cup of tea Oct 13 20:03:08 Nah well, Ontario does you money for college/uni .. ( nondebt. free money ) Oct 13 20:03:10 I'm moving to Greece now that I know they have free uni Oct 13 20:03:13 so it helps.. but its no where near fully paid Oct 13 20:03:28 click170: the degree you get wont matter though :) Oct 13 20:03:29 if you move :P Oct 13 20:03:39 zakkm: depends. Oct 13 20:03:52 i just mean you cant pick a country cause it has free uni :) Oct 13 20:04:05 just go there for uni cause its free. Oct 13 20:04:10 Am I supposed to look for free uni and free healthcare? Oct 13 20:04:11 lol Oct 13 20:04:23 does any country do both? Oct 13 20:04:30 .dk :P atleast mostly Oct 13 20:04:32 dental not covered Oct 13 20:04:37 .dk = ? Oct 13 20:04:39 denmark Oct 13 20:04:43 ah, cool. Oct 13 20:04:43 zakkm, uk does Oct 13 20:04:50 uk doesnt have free uni ? does it? Oct 13 20:04:51 uk has free schooling? Oct 13 20:04:54 flag usually seen burnt by muslims Oct 13 20:04:58 afaik Oct 13 20:05:03 also greece, france, and of course cuba Oct 13 20:05:10 really good doctors there Oct 13 20:05:21 I know theres free health care ( family frm england.. ) but yeah im not that sure uni is free.. Oct 13 20:05:28 aalonso, a couple minutes more then i give u the link ;) Oct 13 20:05:29 France sucks to live. :P Oct 13 20:05:38 zakkm: why? Oct 13 20:05:48 I'm told its a terrible place to live. Oct 13 20:05:56 moontiger: thanks Oct 13 20:06:05 good for visiting.. terrible for living Oct 13 20:06:06 were you told about france or about paris? Oct 13 20:06:10 France. Oct 13 20:06:31 free university and free healthcare? Cuba. Or North Korea. Oct 13 20:06:33 the south of france(blue coast) is quite nice. Oct 13 20:06:42 I wouldn't say France sucks to live there unless you've travelled there Oct 13 20:06:47 A country you can't visit .. doesn't count. lol Oct 13 20:06:51 Theres a lot of negative hype that I think is unjustified Oct 13 20:07:22 north korea -.- Oct 13 20:07:33 aalonso, you ready? Oct 13 20:07:39 The Lost City of Atlantis :O Oct 13 20:07:47 yep Oct 13 20:08:12 Just curious, Is ITT funded somehow? Oct 13 20:08:26 could I ask people to install the latest liqbase .deb and see whether they encounter graphical glitches, it appears a few people are getting them on first run, but then not able to reproduce. http://liqbase.net/ Oct 13 20:08:31 http://gagfoot.com/RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PRCOMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 13 20:08:36 i think i got that right Oct 13 20:08:42 save as and you're good to go Oct 13 20:09:06 Lcuk: unforunately dont have a tablet at the moment ( looking to buy another ) so i can't. Oct 13 20:09:14 http://gagfoot.com/RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 13 20:09:17 lcuk, i'll test, i was getting purple glitches :) Oct 13 20:09:18 zakkm: well they have ads so Oct 13 20:09:20 fuk i missed an underscore sorry Oct 13 20:09:30 zakkm: it must run around somehow Oct 13 20:09:30 lol zakkm, you still looking :P Oct 13 20:09:55 qwerty12_N800, i can has glitches as well :D were they reproducable - ie can you start the app and get them again now? Oct 13 20:10:19 aalonso, 2nd link yes? Oct 13 20:10:22 moontiger: I start downloading Oct 13 20:10:26 awesome Oct 13 20:10:28 :) Oct 13 20:10:47 lcuk, lol, i still have 0.0.4 if you want me to test with that or should i get 0.0.6 1st? Oct 13 20:11:02 try the one you have - ive not changed anything related to glitches Oct 13 20:11:32 sorry, left Oct 13 20:11:32 because its not reproducable by even the people that report them beyond first run its a bit odd Oct 13 20:11:43 Of course im still looking.. i emailed this guy off craigslist, wanted $170 Oct 13 20:11:46 * moontiger sips tea Oct 13 20:11:49 i'm like ill buy it.. person said sold out -.- Oct 13 20:12:01 (yesterday) Oct 13 20:12:07 im starting to think its something like the "updating" list thing from application manager - or something along those lines Oct 13 20:12:11 prices may drop now n810w is out though :P Oct 13 20:12:13 zakkm, what u trying to buy? Oct 13 20:12:20 lcuk: if it doesnt reproduce, does it relaly matter? Oct 13 20:12:25 moontiger: N800 Oct 13 20:12:30 from craigslist? Oct 13 20:12:32 used. Oct 13 20:12:32 zakkm, yeah it does actually Oct 13 20:12:32 yes Oct 13 20:12:39 i wanna know how many people are effected Oct 13 20:12:41 moontiger: im in toronto,on .. theres many postings Oct 13 20:12:44 craigslist is full of flakes Oct 13 20:12:59 it upsets the karma - liqbase is smooth and cool and it fecks up for people and ruins their experience Oct 13 20:13:01 I use craigslist all the time. Oct 13 20:13:10 lcuk, can't reproduce it :/ Oct 13 20:13:14 My Headphones - $10 .. nice big headphones.. works wonders Oct 13 20:13:14 i do too but the flakes are getting worse and *really* annoying Oct 13 20:13:17 heh, didnt think so Oct 13 20:13:25 what is liqbase ? Oct 13 20:13:27 would you grab the latest 0.0.6 from liqbase.net and see Oct 13 20:13:40 zakkm, look on liqbase.net for a youtube vid Oct 13 20:13:45 never heard of liqbase package Oct 13 20:14:03 haha its you? Oct 13 20:14:04 thats cos its not been packaged before about 2 weeks ago Oct 13 20:14:36 lcukmaemo <-- youtube = you? Oct 13 20:14:41 yes Oct 13 20:14:48 british accent? Oct 13 20:14:51 since i am lcuk and i am a part of maemo.. Oct 13 20:14:52 hehe Oct 13 20:15:02 northern accent more lik Oct 13 20:15:10 so its for document reading? Oct 13 20:16:09 no, its for a lot of things :) Oct 13 20:16:15 its my short term meory Oct 13 20:16:30 and longer term meory - and designer and plaything Oct 13 20:16:43 hah thats so cool Oct 13 20:16:48 and i want to build a full designable ui one day :) Oct 13 20:16:49 Would it work on n800 well ? Oct 13 20:16:54 aalonso, you getting it ok? Oct 13 20:17:00 well you might have glitches on first run, but yeah Oct 13 20:17:08 haha i dont mind. Oct 13 20:17:14 I'm a nightly kind of person. Oct 13 20:17:16 moontiger, yes I about to re-flash Oct 13 20:17:18 I'm used to many bugs Oct 13 20:17:18 * lcuk gets sick of drawing the screens he then has to code - so im gonna make them live Oct 13 20:17:21 ok cool Oct 13 20:17:34 moontiger, would you test it please :$ Oct 13 20:17:38 interesting idea lcuk Oct 13 20:17:50 i did ... is there a new version? Oct 13 20:17:58 did you encounter glitches? Oct 13 20:18:11 not that i noticed no ... flawless afaik Oct 13 20:18:21 errr not really tonnes of new stuff, ive been doing mainly background work and seeing if i can get some sort of multitouch thing working Oct 13 20:18:33 ahhhhhhhhhh i can try the new version for sure Oct 13 20:18:41 the new stuff will come back once ive finished ironing out this bug and actually start work again Oct 13 20:18:46 ooo will a flashdrive work on the nokia ? Oct 13 20:18:54 dont you need hardware support for multi-touch? Oct 13 20:19:00 yes if its under 100ma - or if you use a powered hub Oct 13 20:19:04 i am idiot -- in wayfinder click 'maps' :) benelux installed Oct 13 20:19:09 sick :P Oct 13 20:19:09 moontiger, see for yourself Oct 13 20:19:17 * moontiger smiles Oct 13 20:19:25 I dont know the n800 but is all i need is the n800 and the flashdrive.. or is some small connector required? Oct 13 20:19:27 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=233054&postcount=144 Oct 13 20:19:30 if its under 100ma that is Oct 13 20:19:41 zakkm: you're off better with a sd often Oct 13 20:19:56 zakkm, if you have decided to get 800 just use normal cards Oct 13 20:20:00 yes but i know many ppl in school with flash drives because of the work itself. Oct 13 20:20:11 So for me being able to put it in.. and view documents/ videos on the nokia would be nice Oct 13 20:20:15 lcuk: instant graphical glitchh Oct 13 20:20:18 moontiger, the link i just posted explains my thinking about multitouch Oct 13 20:20:25 yes i would use SD for myself, but for other people i mean. Oct 13 20:20:26 hi lcuk! Oct 13 20:20:37 hiya pupnik810 ! :D hows it hanging Oct 13 20:20:44 Stskeeps, oh no, come out and go back in Oct 13 20:20:54 lcuk: happens already in username :P Oct 13 20:20:55 * lcuk is formulating a plan: start liqbase and make it restart itself ;) Oct 13 20:20:57 This might sound weird, but how well does GIMP perform on n800 ? Oct 13 20:21:08 lcuk: didn't use liqbase on maemo before Oct 13 20:21:17 ahhh what did you try it on Oct 13 20:21:20 lcuk: works after restart Oct 13 20:21:20 lcuk: can't you just remove all the temp files.. and make it reproduce the glitch? Oct 13 20:21:22 deblet initially Oct 13 20:21:24 then maemo now Oct 13 20:21:26 so its like starting it for first time? Oct 13 20:21:31 where first install messed up Oct 13 20:21:32 zakkm i just tried that multiple times Oct 13 20:21:38 oh Oct 13 20:22:07 zakkm, i have reproduced this once on my own device on firstrun Oct 13 20:22:19 i have had graphical glitches very very occasionally a long time ago Oct 13 20:22:28 but i think those were different to this Oct 13 20:22:41 lcuk: mine was firstrun as well Oct 13 20:22:57 Stskeeps, so is it fine now/ Oct 13 20:22:59 my n810 is working again :) Oct 13 20:23:15 lcuk: did you create liqbase or are you porting it? Oct 13 20:23:25 100% native on the device (even compiling on it) Oct 13 20:23:26 lcuk: yeah Oct 13 20:23:39 hmmm then Oct 13 20:24:11 ah, wish i could afford a n810 Oct 13 20:24:16 zakkm, actually i tell a lie, i started in vmware scratchbox but got annoyed, so i installed gcc on device and have used it ever since Oct 13 20:24:29 haha Oct 13 20:24:31 i dont code most of the time with it lol - i use ssh Oct 13 20:24:56 what is it coded in? Oct 13 20:25:03 though the graffiti wall is a child of the dev centre at linuxtag :) Oct 13 20:25:04 c Oct 13 20:26:54 i know this sounds really weird and probably very stupid but you know like clustering right? to give instructions to another PC.. Oct 13 20:27:01 lcuk: your multitouch stuff might actually work Oct 13 20:27:03 i think its called clustering Oct 13 20:27:06 in mac its xgrid ? Oct 13 20:27:15 Would that technically work on the N800? Oct 13 20:28:27 should do yeah Oct 13 20:28:36 Stskeeps, :) it works well enough as proof of concept Oct 13 20:28:49 zakkm, if you wrote a client that took work loads and shared them out it would work for sure Oct 13 20:29:07 like use an pc/server.. to make your n800 faster. Oct 13 20:29:16 lcuk, can u actually detect multiple touches o the screen? Oct 13 20:29:24 i didnt think the hardware reported them Oct 13 20:29:26 it's a neat approximation Oct 13 20:30:26 lcuk: what kind of algo do you use for it? Oct 13 20:30:33 no moontiger, i fake it - if you press and hold with your thumb, then touch with your finger the cursor jumps to centre midpoint between thumb and finger. oh, just read the notes i put a minute ago Oct 13 20:30:53 Stskeeps, just a simple one, but its been rolling around my head for a while Oct 13 20:31:11 i did read them Oct 13 20:31:16 hahaha wayfinder doesnt check free space when sling map Oct 13 20:31:19 dling Oct 13 20:31:32 owch Oct 13 20:31:46 pupnik810, least of troubles, if you are on 810 and it fills the mmc2 then you are screwed unless you have repaired it previously Oct 13 20:31:48 lcuk, so thats a "glitch" in the hardware that you're taking advantage of? Oct 13 20:31:53 lcuk: why do i think of on screen keyboard? Oct 13 20:32:01 hold down shift, press other buttons Oct 13 20:32:01 no, the hardware simply returns the average Oct 13 20:32:20 and the average in this case is the mid-point Oct 13 20:32:23 if you know there is a single fixed point you can then take the average into account and use your other finger Oct 13 20:32:34 lcuk, oooops! Oct 13 20:32:36 wow thats a neat trick!! Oct 13 20:32:59 yes it is - pupnik810 remember the multitouch thing i tried to explain at linuxtag Oct 13 20:33:10 well ^^^ i implemented it and it seems to work ;0 Oct 13 20:33:19 coolll Oct 13 20:33:24 lcuk: i think you might be able to expand on this, maybe filter probabilities of thumb moving and stuff :P Oct 13 20:33:35 you all went to linuxtag? Oct 13 20:33:43 lcuk, you've made darius jack happy Oct 13 20:34:01 yes, and sts i need to make sure i dont try to JUMP! when i have already detected a single moving finger Oct 13 20:34:02 Stskeeps, or maybe note the original (thumb) position and lock it and only look for the other touch changing? Oct 13 20:34:11 perhaps Oct 13 20:34:16 qwerty12_N800, feck off lol - i tried to explain these things to him but he didnt listen Oct 13 20:34:26 there's definately some algorithmic possibilities Oct 13 20:34:31 lcuk, lol :p Oct 13 20:34:38 lcuk: better make a patent ;P Oct 13 20:34:55 moontiger, it does that, once it detects the cursor has jumped beyond a certain radius, it moves into flickermode - this has thumb and finger positions and tries to keep them working Oct 13 20:35:07 sod the patent :) i just want some security Oct 13 20:35:14 lcuk, no software patents in europe!!! Oct 13 20:35:21 oops, stskeeps Oct 13 20:35:25 its open source and i want all this to be used Oct 13 20:35:25 :p Oct 13 20:35:33 qwerty12_N800: if it has to do with hardware interfacing.. Oct 13 20:35:36 qwerty12_N800: You don't actually believe that fantasy, do you? Oct 13 20:35:40 the more this device is used and the more we can do with it the better it will become Oct 13 20:35:48 this is why im so flucked off with the glitches Oct 13 20:35:54 lcuk: there's possibilities for maybe using a bayesian model for calculating probabilities this value is useful Oct 13 20:35:57 derf, nope, just felt like saying it :p Oct 13 20:36:15 Stskeeps, keep thinking please :) i have only just started an idea Oct 13 20:36:49 derf! you would be an ideal person to examine what ive started Oct 13 20:37:00 would you install liqbase and try to be amazed at the multitouch thing Oct 13 20:37:24 see here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=233054&postcount=144 Oct 13 20:37:29 I would if my tablet was not plugged into a wall 25 miles away. Oct 13 20:37:31 and liqbase.net for the package :) Oct 13 20:37:44 damn technicalities! Oct 13 20:38:22 (and if people like what im doing, please thank me up in the forum ;) im a bit of a karma whore) Oct 13 20:38:54 lol Oct 13 20:39:03 * qwerty12_N800 points @ Stskeeps :p Oct 13 20:39:05 lcuk iz newb whore. Oct 13 20:39:13 of course gan :D Oct 13 20:39:41 qwerty12_N800: it's mainly because that's how i work. if people appreciate my work, i know which directions to go in and it strokes my ego enough to keep working on it Oct 13 20:39:43 im feelin a bit down about the glitches and need cheerin up ;) Oct 13 20:39:45 else i get bored Oct 13 20:39:45 I could give you about 200 of mine and still be out in fron of Benson. Oct 13 20:39:56 lol Oct 13 20:40:06 lcuk: my screen protector is full of fingerprints now :P Oct 13 20:40:12 look theres the proper karma whore - knowing whos behind him in the race ;) Oct 13 20:40:20 * moontiger goes to install the latest Oct 13 20:40:30 awwww Stskeeps i use liqbase so much ive knackered the screen - it doesnt work with fingers any more Oct 13 20:40:32 * GAN800 iz pro Oct 13 20:40:36 N2 has to be used for that testing Oct 13 20:40:58 so heh Oct 13 20:41:23 lcuk eager for faster tablet now? Oct 13 20:41:44 I'm so happy soft poweroff is finally working again. Oct 13 20:41:44 Stskeeps, i know, i'm joking. i like being thanked, it makes me feel happy that someone appricated something i done. plus, i'm not a prick when it comes to pressing the thanks button :) Oct 13 20:41:50 pupnik810, not really, it does what i want as fast as i want it - the only thing i see changing when i get the new one is being able to code in c++ Oct 13 20:41:54 best nickname seen in weeks - dholbert :) Oct 13 20:42:07 hmm re-write? Oct 13 20:42:35 expansion - i get frustrated with all the boilerplate i need for basic operations (mainly string handling) Oct 13 20:42:46 mhm Oct 13 20:42:59 lcuk how do i play with the multi-touch? Oct 13 20:43:00 so its either write my own compiler (not the first time..) or wait until i get c++ working fast enough Oct 13 20:43:08 options/multitouch test Oct 13 20:43:20 its really nothing special, just indicating what its detected Oct 13 20:43:31 By the way, pupnik, who do you want me to convince to package up all of your awesome for Extras? Oct 13 20:43:53 holy crap thats cool :) Oct 13 20:43:57 lcuk: maybe using dsp / modelling multitouch as a optimization problem? Oct 13 20:44:11 is memo 5 going to support c++ natively? Oct 13 20:44:23 maemo 5 too Oct 13 20:44:29 maemo already supports c++? :P Oct 13 20:44:30 GAN800, dunno - ill push out a new batch of releases now Oct 13 20:44:41 yah i know it does but with a huge assed bunch of libs Oct 13 20:44:51 Stskeeps, theres plenty of grunt in the cpu to model it correctly, all i am doing is selecting a breakpoint for the stroke - the first N points are the starting thumb, then everything after is halfway to the finger, it is then filtered Oct 13 20:44:53 true Oct 13 20:45:08 Stskeeps, yeah it does, its just slow to compile Oct 13 20:45:08 lcuk: just putting ideas out there Oct 13 20:45:17 its beyond my frustration threshhold Oct 13 20:45:40 consider distcc'ing to a desktop with same gcc version, from codesourcery? Oct 13 20:45:48 i think im going to have to go out to the park for a bit ... the weather here is gorgeous and sunny and warm :) Oct 13 20:46:24 Stskeeps, i do main coding from a desktop already, but its windows - ive got vmware available to do the grunt but i hate actually editing within vmware Oct 13 20:46:30 ah Oct 13 20:46:38 so i edit using komodo edit directly in windows and winscp for file transfer Oct 13 20:46:40 lcuk, why dont you install linux? Oct 13 20:46:52 partly cos its slow Oct 13 20:47:02 errrrrrrrrrr linux is slow? Oct 13 20:47:08 partly because things dont quite work as i want them to Oct 13 20:47:34 btw, lcuk: any idea what echo 2 > /sys/devices/platform/dsp/state does? Oct 13 20:47:39 (saw multimediad do it Oct 13 20:47:55 yes moontiger ive got a VERY optimized system here - linux appears to give me lots of very small but annoying glitches, ive never spent enough time sorting them - windows works for me, dont try to change me Oct 13 20:48:11 wow ... windows xp i assume? Oct 13 20:48:18 yeah Oct 13 20:48:23 * Stskeeps uses xp as well Oct 13 20:48:29 linux when i have to Oct 13 20:48:32 hmmmmmmmm i find my linux runs faster than even xp Oct 13 20:48:41 different tools for different jobs Oct 13 20:48:45 right Oct 13 20:48:47 depends what you run Oct 13 20:48:53 i only use windows for windows dev work Oct 13 20:48:53 Mac is the best :) ( Runs on Mac ) Oct 13 20:48:54 xp with all the funky crap is slow as well - i keep ontop of whats needed and it runs wel Oct 13 20:49:05 * qwerty12_N800 uses vista (upgraded from xp) + linux Oct 13 20:49:08 dev work in windows - .net? Oct 13 20:49:24 mfc / atl / some .net ... desktop and mobile Oct 13 20:49:25 eugh qwerty12_N800 thats worse than a livecd version of linux on a 128mb computer Oct 13 20:49:42 visual studio editor is sluggish as hell Oct 13 20:49:44 livecd on any system is bad :P Oct 13 20:49:46 i have a vista dual boot machine Oct 13 20:49:46 i refused to work in it Oct 13 20:49:53 it really is bad Oct 13 20:50:00 even if you try to like it Oct 13 20:50:09 anyone here like Mac OSX? Oct 13 20:50:14 zakkm: i hate it Oct 13 20:50:16 not really zakkm Oct 13 20:50:30 lcuk, it was, but then i got to optimising it and then pimping my desktop aka making it slower and it's ok for me :p Oct 13 20:50:31 nice hardware ... not so nice os Oct 13 20:50:35 zakkm, dont dislike it, but also dont know enough to have a real impression Oct 13 20:50:38 zakkm: also apples hw quality is crap and they market it with lies so.. Oct 13 20:50:48 with lies? Oct 13 20:51:00 glass_: with lies? Oct 13 20:51:07 i have an ipod nano 3g ... works great with linux Oct 13 20:51:20 Ipodlinux? Oct 13 20:51:20 thats the only apple stuff i will own and that was a gift Oct 13 20:51:21 they always overpuff the performances. like sayinga a radeon 9200 is a fast card(it never was, not even as new) Oct 13 20:51:23 they still work on that? Oct 13 20:51:26 i got an ipod Oct 13 20:51:32 160gb Oct 13 20:51:32 libgpod + gtkpod Oct 13 20:51:39 the user interface is crap for 80gb of music Oct 13 20:51:46 also it locks up randomly Oct 13 20:51:50 what does? Oct 13 20:51:56 rockbox is a nice alternative firmware. Oct 13 20:52:07 also apple is very closed garden, which i dislike to the max Oct 13 20:52:22 microsoft is worse :P Oct 13 20:52:26 no it isn't Oct 13 20:52:26 thats my issue too glass ... plus steve jobs makes me want to vomit Oct 13 20:52:31 yes it is Oct 13 20:52:38 zakkm: i don't need to sign an nda with ms to develope for windows mobile Oct 13 20:52:51 and winmo is open for any apps to be installed Oct 13 20:53:03 zakkm: etc etc.. apple is the closed garden king, have fun buying your 'certified' software in couple of years from itunes Oct 13 20:53:13 haha Oct 13 20:53:16 i run mac x86. Oct 13 20:53:33 got the sick atom motherboard :P Oct 13 20:54:15 almost everyone i know with a macbook has had it sent back at least once Oct 13 20:54:39 its funny seeing so many macbook pros at the ms campus Oct 13 20:54:45 and iphones / ipods Oct 13 20:54:55 thats the only time i appreciate apple Oct 13 20:54:55 i'd say ipod's interface is pretty good, but oh well. To each his own. Oct 13 20:55:07 yacoob: it's ok, for couple of gigs of music Oct 13 20:55:15 yacoob: but for 80+.. Oct 13 20:55:21 glass_, ok, what's wrong with it? Oct 13 20:55:29 yacoob: finding specific songs Oct 13 20:55:35 (I'm dealing with ~30GB) Oct 13 20:55:36 glass_, i have never understood keeping that much music on a portable device Oct 13 20:55:42 you cant possibly listen to it all Oct 13 20:55:50 you would die of old age first Oct 13 20:55:51 moontiger: it's the entire music collection that i listen to Oct 13 20:55:53 moontiger, one word: extra backup :) Oct 13 20:55:58 moontiger: i keep it on shuffle most of the time Oct 13 20:56:01 * zakkm is buying nokia n800 to use as a music device too . .on a 2GB sd card. Oct 13 20:56:17 moontiger: and i have every friggin song i got at home on the move too, if at some party or whatever Oct 13 20:56:34 moontiger: of course the extra free space helps with sneaker-warezing Oct 13 20:56:35 * Stskeeps would really prefer a sync that took last.fm information, combined with my mp3 collection, and sync likely listening music before i head to work Oct 13 20:56:54 glass_, ok i get it .... for me an 8gb nano is heaps Oct 13 20:57:01 2 oe 3 days of music Oct 13 20:57:10 oe = or Oct 13 20:57:24 moontiger, I, for one, am too lazy to change the contents :) Oct 13 20:57:31 hahaha Oct 13 20:57:31 moontiger: yeah but what if you get the feeling to listen to beatles Oct 13 20:57:33 yeah but random play needs a minsize to feel properly random Oct 13 20:57:42 <--- has the beatles on the nano Oct 13 20:57:58 i have 1400 songs on my nano Oct 13 20:57:58 * pupnik810 goes power-outlet seeking Oct 13 20:58:05 beatles.. you guys truly are old :P Oct 13 20:58:06 thats enough for on the move for me Oct 13 20:58:09 hahaha Oct 13 20:58:14 or i just appreciate them Oct 13 20:58:17 ;) Oct 13 20:58:20 not that old Oct 13 20:58:25 zakkm, +1 :p Oct 13 20:58:38 people don't live that long, to be still listening to beatles! Oct 13 20:58:40 a few gb is ok.... a couple hundred MB too littled Oct 13 20:58:56 hey musicians appreciate real music Oct 13 20:58:59 its timeless Oct 13 20:59:01 :)~ Oct 13 20:59:04 it was a joke. Oct 13 20:59:25 np zakkm i took it as a joke Oct 13 20:59:27 :) Oct 13 20:59:32 oops.. I was joking too :p :) Oct 13 20:59:42 hahaha no you werent Oct 13 20:59:44 my 17 year old friend has beatles on his ipod and keeps listening to them .. Oct 13 20:59:57 moontiger, true :p Oct 13 21:00:05 * moontiger laughs Oct 13 21:00:16 zakkm: the point is.. i listen to a wide variety of music.. '90s goth electro to '50s stuff to classical pieces to 'fuck the world' punk Oct 13 21:00:32 i love those songs:P " fuck the world " :P Oct 13 21:00:33 so.. i don't want to keep just few albums with me Oct 13 21:00:37 wouldnt that be "fuk the world" porn? Oct 13 21:00:51 of course i keep couple of porno vids on the ipod too Oct 13 21:00:57 why not.. Oct 13 21:00:59 haha Oct 13 21:01:05 grr Oct 13 21:01:10 <-- has hot gf Oct 13 21:01:10 wank on the move? Oct 13 21:01:18 why is miniSD so hard to get ahold of Oct 13 21:01:28 whodat, amazon? Oct 13 21:01:32 qwerty12_N800: well, if on some business trip or whatever Oct 13 21:01:42 qwerty12_N800: better than hotel payperview anyways Oct 13 21:01:49 lol Oct 13 21:02:06 moon: i meant locally lol, microcenter only had 2gb minisd Oct 13 21:02:14 ok, sorry for vanishing. those people who have just seen liqbase for the first time, was it worth seeing and do you want moar? Oct 13 21:02:27 microsd and standard sd, no minisd Oct 13 21:02:33 minisd is a dumb format Oct 13 21:02:54 no lcuk it sucks so you should stop developing it right now Oct 13 21:02:57 more common than rs-mmc, at least Oct 13 21:03:00 ok Oct 13 21:03:04 :) Oct 13 21:03:56 lcuk: port fbreader on top of liqbase and I'll love you forever Oct 13 21:03:59 keeping porn is orthogonal to having a SO :) Oct 13 21:04:27 Who am i suppose to nag to get the libsoup debug symbol ? Oct 13 21:05:03 yacoob, thats deep... and i dont get it Oct 13 21:05:05 :) Oct 13 21:05:16 mgedmin, you dont like fbreader as is? Oct 13 21:05:28 I want smooth finger scrolling Oct 13 21:05:32 mgedmin, read this bug and check all responses http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=98 Oct 13 21:05:37 hmmmmmmmmmm i like it as it is Oct 13 21:05:53 not "tap to flip to next page", but smoothly drag it along, with inertia, JesusPhone-like Oct 13 21:05:57 moontiger, nah, it's just the comment you made seemed off. Oct 13 21:06:07 mgedmin, liqbase like :| Oct 13 21:06:13 but it might be just me :) Oct 13 21:06:20 This might sound stupid but Diablo / Maemo .. gets faster overtime right ? Oct 13 21:06:39 yer as new hardware comes out Oct 13 21:06:42 lcuk: the fruit company has better marketing :/ Oct 13 21:06:43 * yacoob discovers that Carmina Burana is from 20th century. Who'd have thought? Oct 13 21:06:43 lol Oct 13 21:06:55 * mgedmin likes Carmina Burana Oct 13 21:07:02 mgedmin, heh Oct 13 21:07:02 i meant if i were to keep the n800.. would i see things get faster/smoother every update? Oct 13 21:07:16 carmina burana is not from 20th century. Karl orf is. Oct 13 21:07:28 zakkm, the os2008 update was special because it unlocked some cpu setting and effectively overclocked everyone Oct 13 21:07:40 mgedmin, have you read that post on fbreader Oct 13 21:07:44 music is contemporary, isn't it? Oct 13 21:08:00 he got inspired by some old school tunes. Oct 13 21:08:00 it's the lyrics that were medieval Oct 13 21:08:02 yeah but like from 3 months ago diablo/chinook to todays diablo/chinook .. which is faster? Oct 13 21:08:09 lcuk: not yet, multitasking... Oct 13 21:08:14 not only the lyrics, music too. Oct 13 21:08:16 i know 2007 to 2008 .. but what about 2008 release.. to now Oct 13 21:08:24 multitask faster or i will release your secret :P Oct 13 21:08:24 lcuk, you have a liverpool accent!! Oct 13 21:08:26 zakkm, microb got speed boost in recent update Oct 13 21:08:33 though they do not rock as much as good ol cantigas da santa maria Oct 13 21:08:35 i bloody well don't you cheeky bastard Oct 13 21:08:38 haha Oct 13 21:08:42 sounds like it Oct 13 21:08:46 manchester? Oct 13 21:08:52 better :P lol Oct 13 21:08:59 like before i heard youtube cant play smooth in bult in browser.. but evantually, could it? Oct 13 21:09:00 from here its all the same Oct 13 21:09:01 ;) Oct 13 21:09:05 and its my nighttime accent Oct 13 21:09:08 hahaha Oct 13 21:09:32 and for those who are interested, nokia support has "almost" fixed my tablet today. It went to QA, and they've found yet another way to bomb it up. Oct 13 21:09:34 Manchester, England? great city :) Oct 13 21:09:48 even worse was video3 - i couldnt speak quietly cos throat was bad, but then when i spoke loud i woke missus up Oct 13 21:09:53 zakkm, indeed Oct 13 21:09:55 * mgedmin read it Oct 13 21:09:56 yacoob: what problem ? Oct 13 21:10:06 lcuk : do you live in manchester? Oct 13 21:10:10 "in the carner" Oct 13 21:10:14 so funny Oct 13 21:10:23 yes Oct 13 21:10:41 * lcuk is surprised moontiger hasnt ripped the piss out of how i saw linuxtag yet Oct 13 21:10:41 cool :) Oct 13 21:10:51 zakkm, turns off at random (well, after applying some external force, like keyboard slide, or extending the stand) Oct 13 21:10:54 actual manchester or like bury? Oct 13 21:11:04 no, chadderton Oct 13 21:11:22 i just laughed my ass off when i heard it Oct 13 21:11:42 sounds like someone off emmerdale farm Oct 13 21:11:43 :) Oct 13 21:11:51 /ignore moontiger Oct 13 21:11:53 hahaha Oct 13 21:12:09 /tarandfeather moontiger Oct 13 21:12:20 <--- crying with laughter Oct 13 21:12:46 you will be cryin when i get hold of you \@/ cheeky sob Oct 13 21:12:54 "eyyy up... lets go to lyenuxtag!" Oct 13 21:13:07 at least i dont wear a shell suit Oct 13 21:13:14 thank god for that Oct 13 21:13:19 yeah, small mercies Oct 13 21:13:25 * mgedmin googles shell suit Oct 13 21:13:30 lol Oct 13 21:13:32 mgedmin, dont! Oct 13 21:13:43 mgedmin, might as well search for perms as well Oct 13 21:13:50 * moontiger cracks up Oct 13 21:14:06 OH MY EYES! Oct 13 21:14:35 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W7VspOs3Qt0 Oct 13 21:15:02 reminds me a bit of dublin - people who go out in the evenings in pjs really Oct 13 21:15:40 fuk lcuk that stuff isnt still like that is it?? Oct 13 21:16:02 there arent people like that in england still are there?? Oct 13 21:16:07 tell me it aint so Oct 13 21:16:37 lol im not sure - we actually visited liverpool recently (went to a comedy night with holly and hilly) and were laughin all the way round Oct 13 21:18:10 i will never live in england again Oct 13 21:18:14 i just couldnt Oct 13 21:19:06 warrant? Oct 13 21:19:14 hah :P Oct 13 21:19:27 i really wonder where i'll end up, so far poland, germany/berlin or new zealand seems like a possibility Oct 13 21:19:35 mavhc, noooooooooooooooo Oct 13 21:19:46 berlin has amazed me more than any place ive visited Oct 13 21:19:46 i just dont want tolive there again ... had enough Oct 13 21:20:01 im moving to madrid soon ... berlin always appealed to me too Oct 13 21:20:05 might go there for a bit too Oct 13 21:20:13 speaking of moving, im goin gettin food, bbl Oct 13 21:20:24 pardon, but where is my gconf user data physically stored on the n810? Oct 13 21:20:27 * moontiger has to shower and get out of the house Oct 13 21:20:32 after that i can also announce moving to keep the topic ;-) Oct 13 21:20:38 hehe Oct 13 21:20:45 laterz ;) Oct 13 21:21:06 andre___: .gconf* in /home/user? Oct 13 21:21:07 well, I'm limited in moving to being really picky about the temp, language, and food, so I'll just have to stay here and build an internet enabled mini blimp with a video camera on to travel round the world Oct 13 21:22:16 Stskeeps, doesn't exist Oct 13 21:22:22 eh Oct 13 21:23:33 andre___: that's true, it's not there Oct 13 21:23:43 i'm confused Oct 13 21:24:56 andre___: /etc/osso-af-init/gconf-dir/ Oct 13 21:24:58 maybe Oct 13 21:25:23 ah. the schemes are in /usr/share/gconf :) Oct 13 21:25:29 how to use gps in n810 Oct 13 21:25:30 look at /etc/gconf/2/path why i take those :P Oct 13 21:26:14 oh cool, yupp Oct 13 21:26:16 thanks Oct 13 21:26:17 night all Oct 13 21:26:39 boo Oct 13 21:30:43 The nokia n810 is the PERFECT (almost) road companion ... esp for linux geeks Oct 13 21:31:05 which reminds me i need to install iodine.. Oct 13 21:33:16 btw does nokia DC-4 car adapter with 5.4 volts work with N810? Plug fits but N8x0 not listed on box Oct 13 21:34:00 Only one way to find out. :D Oct 13 21:34:06 *kaboom*! Oct 13 21:34:19 Plug it in, does it say "Charging"... Oct 13 21:34:22 i googling Oct 13 21:34:36 i bought the Hama charger Oct 13 21:34:48 5.4V should be fine Oct 13 21:34:51 it says 'charging' but never charges Oct 13 21:35:27 just runs the device - power regulated LED keeps blinking betgween red and green Oct 13 21:35:49 DC-4 should work Oct 13 21:35:59 cool Oct 13 21:36:00 it was listed among the compatible adapters on the N810 page at nokia Oct 13 21:36:00 iirc Oct 13 21:36:04 ty Oct 13 21:36:06 AC-4 and DC-4 are the ones Oct 13 21:36:13 AC-3 also has the same plug Oct 13 21:36:16 but produces a lower current Oct 13 21:36:23 cool cool Oct 13 21:36:26 not sure what that means in practical terms Oct 13 21:36:51 available at retail ntoo (n90 and other nokia phones) Oct 13 21:37:21 the hama adapter lists N800 but i suspect it puts out too low voltage Oct 13 21:37:52 i just typinhg this for future google searches by others :) Oct 13 21:41:17 anyone know where to get good screen protectors for the n810 Oct 13 21:41:46 i like boxwave for my n800 Oct 13 21:42:07 dunno - screen is very resilient Oct 13 21:42:27 survived my pockets daily now 1 month Oct 13 21:45:51 Boxwave anti-glare Oct 13 21:45:58 pup: absolutely no scratches? Oct 13 21:46:22 cant see any Oct 13 21:46:33 i put keys in other pocket Oct 13 21:46:48 * Stskeeps wonders if he'll go to hell for building Maemo-GTK+ for deblet. Oct 13 21:47:21 hehe Oct 13 21:47:44 i mean, what's the worst that could happen - easy porting of maemo apps :P Oct 13 21:48:47 yes Oct 13 21:48:51 good stuff Oct 13 22:04:11 I opened maemo-mapper, it kept searching for GPS receiver for a while. At last it told me "Error connecting GPSD Server Retry?". How could I fix this Oct 13 22:13:12 hellwolf: n810 or n800 (or 770)? Oct 13 22:13:17 N810 Oct 13 22:13:57 I changed to choose bluetooth GPS, and leave the field blank. It's now telling me "Establishing GPS fix" Oct 13 22:13:58 to use the internal gps, select "bluetooth" in maemo mapper and keep the bluetooth address field blank Oct 13 22:14:06 ok:) Oct 13 22:14:10 I'm waiting Oct 13 22:14:11 yes, it is retarded, there's a bug in maemo mapper's bug tracker for a better user interface Oct 13 22:15:58 one more question, how to use phonelink with maemo integrated contacts info support. Or is there other better software to dial/sms via bluetooth phone Oct 13 22:31:48 after you compile a package within scratchbox, how do you package it up into a .deb file to installation Oct 14 00:08:24 how do i get google roads on maemo maps? Oct 14 00:32:49 5B Oct 14 00:32:52 hola Oct 14 00:57:27 google roads? Oct 14 00:57:34 you mean the street map? Oct 14 00:57:48 you should be able to download repositories from the menu Oct 14 01:15:38 is XSPSetTSRawMode still used? Oct 14 01:35:39 http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg282/rizzy811/iphonevsstone.jpg Oct 14 01:38:20 reminds me of http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajaxed/2212112946/ Oct 14 01:40:12 thats hilarious Oct 14 02:35:06 where's the setting to have the mail app check for new messages? Oct 14 02:35:21 the time interval... Oct 14 02:35:46 night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 14 02:59:57 2008