**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 14 02:59:57 2008 Oct 14 03:50:58 largest capacity mini sd for n810 is 8gb? Oct 14 04:08:45 i hear there are 16gb microsd, could use that with micro-mini adapter Oct 14 04:08:52 adaptor? Oct 14 04:09:18 adapter Oct 14 04:41:49 tank-man: yup http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24245 :) Oct 14 04:55:13 does canola support Daap ? Oct 14 05:18:58 "The boom in women pretending to be lesbians to attract attention is leaving a trail of emotional destruction, according to a social commentator... Several high-profile relationships involving "real lesbians" and women more often linked to men -- such as MTV's Ruby Rose and Jess Origliasso, and Samantha Ronson and Lindsay Lohan -- have reportedly encouraged a wave of fauxmosexuals on the real life party circuit." Oct 14 05:20:18 fauxmosexual Oct 14 05:20:20 hmm Oct 14 05:21:03 I hate blogs where every comment is a fricking trackback Oct 14 05:21:05 "queerer an queerer" (c)Alice Oct 14 05:22:09 orifice: don't think so, just upnp. Oct 14 05:34:50 RST38h, yah that stuff pisses me off Oct 14 05:36:00 * RST38h just finds it weird Oct 14 05:36:27 which bit? Oct 14 05:37:05 And, as our muslim friend Ahmadinejad would say "a sign of the social and moral collapse of the Western civilization" =) Oct 14 05:38:12 what ... gay people? Oct 14 05:38:16 or faux gay people? Oct 14 05:38:25 faux gay people Oct 14 05:38:56 gay people are not specific to any time or location Oct 14 05:38:59 heh good ... me too Oct 14 05:39:13 some of my best friends are gay Oct 14 05:40:01 why do faux gay people anger you? Oct 14 05:40:22 they dont anger me ... they are just pathetic Oct 14 05:40:36 pathetic how? Oct 14 05:40:41 they don't anger me, why would they? Oct 14 05:40:51 I just find the trend weird Oct 14 05:41:05 I agree that it's sort of odd Oct 14 05:41:38 same as metrosexuals really, but those I can still classify as narcisstic Oct 14 05:41:43 pathetic that they pretend to be something Oct 14 05:42:46 I don't ever really understand people who pretend to be things regardless of orientation Oct 14 05:42:51 lots of people pretend to be something but why the hell would you pretend to be a lesbian? =) Oct 14 05:43:28 [with politically correct rage] summa, lesbians are not "things", they are people Oct 14 05:43:38 thank you Oct 14 05:43:46 RST38h: no, I'm aware, by thing, I meant something they're not Oct 14 05:43:50 or someone they're not Oct 14 05:43:54 or w/e Oct 14 05:44:16 All of us do every now and then, I am pretty sure you have as well Oct 14 05:44:18 that wasn't intended as objectification Oct 14 05:44:28 I really, really, try not to Oct 14 05:44:40 ideally, yes... Oct 14 05:45:08 oh well, time to go to work. Oct 14 05:45:19 I make choices in my life, as consicously as possible, to not fall into being someone I'm not Oct 14 05:45:40 it is not very comfortable for a long period of time, yes Oct 14 05:47:56 agreed Oct 14 05:48:46 g'moin @all Oct 14 05:48:55 back from a reflash... Oct 14 05:49:16 you must have the text color wrong cos i cant see what ur typing Oct 14 05:49:19 had some problems with last maemo update Oct 14 05:50:05 ooooops i didnt mean him to get upset Oct 14 05:50:07 :( Oct 14 05:50:43 stop being so insensitive :P Oct 14 05:51:40 hope it'" +35534 <92 Oct 14 05:51:57 hope it's better now Oct 14 05:52:23 fluenis, i was joking ... im sorry if u took me seriously Oct 14 05:52:25 :| Oct 14 05:52:49 stupid mistakes at the mornin time... hadn't got my coffee now Oct 14 05:53:17 forgive me :) Oct 14 05:53:38 anyway - had some probs with the update Oct 14 05:53:55 hildon desk took about 20% load all the time Oct 14 05:54:35 i get that on mine too ... 10% - 20% Oct 14 05:55:22 and after two days without staying a single day with a charge my n810 came to a rebooting circle on power on time Oct 14 05:55:34 i had to reflash... Oct 14 05:57:45 but it' interesting how it happened... my system is cloned on to intern 2gigs Oct 14 05:59:39 why clone it? Oct 14 06:24:45 hmm Oct 14 06:24:54 what can I do if I've corrupted my /etc/sudeors file Oct 14 06:25:22 so that I can't edit it because I need root privleges, but can't because sudo cannot read /etc/sudoers Oct 14 06:25:38 on n810? Oct 14 06:25:47 yews Oct 14 06:25:55 install ssh and login to localhost as root Oct 14 06:25:58 then edit it Oct 14 06:26:33 great Oct 14 06:26:36 ;) Oct 14 06:26:37 thx Oct 14 07:19:17 Anyone else unable to access ITT? Oct 14 07:19:27 Or have I been banned? :) Oct 14 07:20:53 mm Oct 14 07:20:58 i can Oct 14 07:21:48 And just like that, it's back. Oct 14 07:21:50 I won't Oct 14 07:26:55 damnit, reban him Oct 14 07:28:54 Moning. Oct 14 07:29:07 lol, Morning. Oct 14 07:31:30 hi Oct 14 07:32:23 * moontiger is fighting with dbus Oct 14 07:32:27 *sigh* Oct 14 07:32:56 Why? Oct 14 07:33:01 Work with it, don't fight it Oct 14 07:35:08 hehe well im trying to understand it Oct 14 07:35:14 and code it using glib Oct 14 07:40:23 morning all Oct 14 08:09:05 Enjoy: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/13/AR2008101302701.html?nav=rss_email/components Oct 14 08:22:26 * melmoth is looking for someone who likes to write php :) Oct 14 08:22:52 I have a "phonehome" daemon nearly ready, that send gps info and some pic on a remote xmlrcp server Oct 14 08:23:37 i will definitively make something just ofr my own, but it could be fun (for somebody enjoying php, wich i dont) to have a sort of community site around Oct 14 08:24:01 like, with logins and pass, and some nice display of where your stoled tablet has been the last couple of days on googlemaps Oct 14 08:30:59 Anyone willing to test my ai pack for blobby volley 2: http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/b/blobby-ai/blobby-ai_0.1_all.deb Oct 14 08:31:46 melmoth i do php Oct 14 08:32:11 tell me what u need and i'll code it for you Oct 14 08:32:19 lauren at gagfoot dot com Oct 14 08:32:39 have to go to bed now ... its real late Oct 14 08:32:57 ok Oct 14 08:33:05 moontiger: is moontiger your itt nick ? Oct 14 08:33:13 itt? Oct 14 08:33:24 internettablet talk Oct 14 08:33:29 not a member Oct 14 08:33:41 lauren is my garage.maemo name Oct 14 08:33:46 and my name ;) Oct 14 08:33:46 ok. Oct 14 08:33:53 email me and i will build it for you Oct 14 08:33:55 :) Oct 14 08:34:02 cool. thanks. Oct 14 08:34:08 nite nite Oct 14 08:34:19 good night Oct 14 08:43:45 inz: Can I include your AI to blobby package? Oct 14 09:01:38 inz: hmm, licence of AIs isn't very clear. Maybe better to keep them separated. Anyway 2fast4uvo2 beat me 15-0 ;) Oct 14 09:21:29 how could I pre-download maps for specific places in maemo-mapper Oct 14 09:21:45 hellwolf, view the area Oct 14 09:22:00 hellwolf, then go into map configuration or something, and there's a part called "Download" Oct 14 09:22:12 you can select which increments to download Oct 14 09:22:37 okok, thanks, then another question is, which disk it downloads to Oct 14 09:22:45 256M or 2G Oct 14 09:23:13 IMC, IIRC Oct 14 09:24:01 thanks :) Oct 14 09:25:24 it told me "Invalid orgin or query" Oct 14 09:25:39 I chose "Use GPS location, Category: Transportation" Oct 14 09:31:45 that's pois Oct 14 09:32:05 you can change the download location too in the map settings dialog Oct 14 09:34:34 thanks a lot. Then, is there any shortcut keys for maemo-mapper Oct 14 09:34:47 for example, I want to zoom in/out with keys Oct 14 09:37:10 use the +/- on the top Oct 14 09:38:23 :) ah, I almost forgot that keys Oct 14 10:00:23 * lcuk sneaks in Oct 14 10:09:52 o lcuk Oct 14 10:11:18 hiya hrw :D Oct 14 10:13:14 hrw, do you remember me saying something about multitouch "simulation" last time we met? Oct 14 10:13:32 somtehing Oct 14 10:13:54 heh, well i get my thoughts into code Oct 14 10:14:03 cool Oct 14 10:14:06 and it appears to work as well as i expected Oct 14 10:14:30 obviously its not full multitouch, but it allows for a thumb press and then finger adjustments Oct 14 10:14:49 liqbase.net has a bit of info and a deb to have a looksie at Oct 14 10:15:39 * lcuk was hoping to have stuff in extras this week, but some users have been reporting a graphical glitch on first run - its annoying as feck Oct 14 10:22:37 crap, bbsoon Oct 14 10:28:36 god, gtk takes -ages- to build Oct 14 10:29:58 Stskeeps, you need to get that beagleboard working for you Oct 14 10:30:14 johnx: oh, it works, it's just my rs232 connector that sucks Oct 14 10:30:15 :p Oct 14 10:30:32 which makes initial boot difficult Oct 14 10:30:36 ah Oct 14 10:30:47 i tested glib-maemo yesterday, that worked Oct 14 10:31:41 but anyway, it could be interesting if maemo-gtk is compatible with normal gtk, even if it's not the other way Oct 14 10:32:10 could make porting maemo apps a .. lot easier Oct 14 10:32:19 thats bit of a dead end Oct 14 10:32:34 maemos gtk changes need to be merged into mainline gtk Oct 14 10:32:47 yeah, and i would really prefer that Oct 14 10:35:20 suihkulokki: just working on some proof of concepts to see how dependant on maemo typical maemo apps are Oct 14 10:39:36 suihkulokki: how active is the whole pkg-maemo part of debian though? Oct 14 10:39:55 from what i can tell most activity goes on in ubuntu mobile these days :P Oct 14 10:42:07 andre___: sorry I've not got round to installing the new scratchbox yet Oct 14 10:42:19 andre___: but I imagine it should be assuming we move to GCC 4.x.x Oct 14 10:42:37 andre___: re bug #1623 Oct 14 10:42:53 ah, take your time :) if you don't answer i'll close after a few months :-P Oct 14 10:43:07 Stskeeps: it's pining for the fjords :P Oct 14 10:43:23 andre___: lol Oct 14 10:45:20 Stskeeps: at the moment things are indeed a bit silent in debian-maemo, I think most people are waiting for lenny before going back to active development Oct 14 10:46:03 i've managed to compile most of u-m's packages for deblet.. sortof works (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/deblet-mobile.png) Oct 14 10:46:53 or debian maemo packages: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/hildlet6.png Oct 14 10:49:56 iirc when I was last active, the main problems with mainline <-> maemo gtk were Oct 14 10:50:07 1) input methods glue in maemo-gtk Oct 14 10:50:28 2) the hacky tap-and-hold support injected in maemo-gtk Oct 14 10:50:57 *nod* Oct 14 10:53:23 jesus. i need to clean my desk. several serial cables, nokia n800, infrared node, dect telephone, cellphone, pocket loox 420, beagleboard, USRP.. Oct 14 10:53:26 O_o Oct 14 11:07:27 mikkov, I agree on the licenses Oct 14 11:21:23 Stskeeps, I guarantee my desk is smaller and more crammed with stuff :P Oct 14 11:21:31 hehe Oct 14 11:21:40 * aquatix looks at his awefully empty desk at work Oct 14 11:21:44 need more stuff Oct 14 11:21:54 at home it's comfortably cluttery Oct 14 11:43:34 what shoudl be the correct format to print a pid_t on armel ? Oct 14 11:43:58 nor %d nor %i seems to work (nothing in the output). Works on scatchbox x86 though Oct 14 11:44:25 Actually, it s printed on g_printf, but not on fprintf Oct 14 11:46:00 anyone want to debianize duke3d and push it to extras? Oct 14 12:00:41 Hello everyone ! Oct 14 12:01:34 a small little question ... have you already see this small crypting module ... : http://jclement.ca/software/pyrijndael/ Oct 14 12:01:54 i'm not a specialist but for me it s look like using a 32bit key ... Oct 14 12:10:04 we need an easier, more user-friendly way to reconfigure menus -- are maemo menus getting big changes down the road? Oct 14 12:10:40 hi btw Oct 14 12:10:58 hi arnim Oct 14 12:14:10 we need an easier : it could not be so easier as actually ... Oct 14 12:14:18 it s pretty simple to use Oct 14 12:14:31 or maybe are you talking about a programmatic way Oct 14 12:16:41 hi Oct 14 12:17:05 try deleting entries Oct 14 12:17:36 i.e. left over grot from some crap install Oct 14 12:18:05 or is that violating some tablet ui convention ni'm unaware os? Oct 14 12:18:44 obviously packages should clean these things up Oct 14 12:19:28 deleting entries ? are you fool ? Oct 14 12:19:45 there is no need to delete it Oct 14 12:19:59 it should provide access to all applications available Oct 14 12:20:39 if something aren't deleted when removing the application by the application manager, blame the developper / or package maintainer Oct 14 12:20:57 yes i see that view Oct 14 12:21:24 menus should be liqable ;) Oct 14 12:21:24 so why do want to delete entries ? Oct 14 12:21:29 lol lcuk Oct 14 12:21:44 nice verb Oct 14 12:22:06 and calendar event should appear too in the menu to not forget it ! Oct 14 12:22:21 ;p Oct 14 12:22:50 yes i see Oct 14 12:23:14 khertan, a simplified grand overview screen would be fantastic, putting events and emails and notifications and info together, :) Oct 14 12:23:40 desktop or what Oct 14 12:24:08 the desktop lets you do that, but theres no way to simply say i want a main today desktop which adds all 5 applets required" or a business desktop or something Oct 14 12:24:35 ah ok Oct 14 12:24:55 grand schemes of preconfiguged sets of applets would let people either configure individual ones as they do now, or be able to grab the already setup ones people keep flashing on the "show us your screenshots thread Oct 14 12:25:38 instead of having to hunt each one down and configure its location have a way to persist current applet positions and settings and send to a friend Oct 14 12:26:20 ie take the themes a bit further ;) Oct 14 12:26:40 hmm Oct 14 12:27:29 well thats the simplest less destructive way to both make use of what we have and also expand a little Oct 14 12:29:16 your project liqbase is ambitious, but what i see is a nice set of ideas Oct 14 12:30:44 pupnik810, yeah, its only ambitious because you havent seen how much code ive got back here ;) ive been so pent up the last few years waiting to get a device like this its all startin to come out now :) Oct 14 12:31:36 ive gotta mould it into a clearly defined set of principles and align my mind with the differences of what I thought would work, and now i have the device what actually works Oct 14 12:31:57 like the multitouch thing, ive thought it would go in place as I have and its looking promising for now Oct 14 12:32:01 yes Oct 14 12:32:34 iterative learning and prototyping -- it is always Oct 14 12:32:39 nighttime isnt the best time for that moulding though Oct 14 12:33:38 because there im focused specifically on what i need/want for things - like the packaging - it really doesnt bother me and i could quite easily go back to just runnin on my own machine Oct 14 12:37:18 :) Oct 14 12:38:44 solmumaha: is there free levels for duke3d? Oct 14 12:39:58 user-created / third party? Oct 14 12:41:08 I mean levels which could be distributed from extras Oct 14 12:41:31 right, i have to vanish Oct 14 12:41:36 ill bbl Oct 14 12:41:36 cu! Oct 14 12:41:44 pupnik810, have fun in the bar Oct 14 12:41:48 mikkov_: maybe shareware version? Oct 14 12:42:37 could be, though licence needs to be checked Oct 14 12:42:44 orange juice is good here Oct 14 12:43:03 doesn't doom have shareware data too? Oct 14 12:43:17 yes Oct 14 12:43:42 I would be interested to push duke3d to extras if levels are free Oct 14 12:43:50 what is extras policy on shareware? Oct 14 12:43:51 different builds are required for shareware/full so maybe 2 packages would be nice? Oct 14 12:44:24 full version has an information dialog if the datafiles are missing Oct 14 12:45:10 yes Oct 14 12:45:20 non-free can be also used, but it's the licence of the data files which matters Oct 14 12:45:22 * Jaffa unfoods. Oct 14 12:45:27 mikkov_: same goes for ja2, that would be a nice addition too Oct 14 12:45:31 hahaha Oct 14 12:46:15 ja2 data is not free by any means? Oct 14 12:46:38 yes Oct 14 12:46:58 not full Oct 14 12:47:41 crap, looks like my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list is full of garbage characters Oct 14 12:47:48 anybody has some vanilla one ? Oct 14 12:48:34 mikkov_: same thing, it has a demo available, maybe it could be included Oct 14 12:49:32 ja2 is pretty excellent on tablet imo Oct 14 12:50:38 dcc melmoth ? Oct 14 12:51:19 I could take a look for ja2 or duke. Is there some maemo specific changes for them? Oct 14 12:53:41 sol knows that best Oct 14 12:54:16 but just try them and also post problems in the thread Oct 14 12:54:58 if put them to extras, I need the full source Oct 14 12:55:54 * Stskeeps ponders idly Oct 14 12:55:57 i dont have sources avail atm Oct 14 12:56:17 i think if maemo-gtk actually works on debian and such, flash player + skype would be trivial to binarily run on other devices.. Oct 14 12:56:20 not legal, obviously Oct 14 12:56:51 pupnik810: i m not sure dcc would work here (firewall+i never used dcc so i dont even knwo where to look). looks like i found some template on itt Oct 14 12:57:11 apt-get works now again.. the gui is still borked...Well, i ll use apt-get Oct 14 12:57:51 at a certain stage, i will have to reinstall from scracth anyway. Oct 14 12:58:42 pastebin? Oct 14 12:58:53 mikkov_: want the duke3d sources? Oct 14 12:59:58 solmumaha: link would be nice Oct 14 13:01:00 pastebin would do fine ! Oct 14 13:03:14 pupnik810: my current one is http://pastebin.ca/1226809 Oct 14 13:03:19 i wonder if i miss some Oct 14 13:05:57 moo all Oct 14 13:06:15 moo Oct 14 13:06:43 moo Oct 14 13:06:52 ______ Oct 14 13:06:54 < Mooo > Oct 14 13:06:54 ------ Oct 14 13:06:54 \ ^__^ Oct 14 13:06:54 \ (oo)\_______ Oct 14 13:06:56 (__)\ )\/\ Oct 14 13:06:58 ||----w | Oct 14 13:07:01 || || Oct 14 13:11:51 hola Oct 14 13:12:09 hi Oct 14 13:13:27 my applist is lingr Oct 14 13:13:35 pupnik810: mikkov_ tries to push duke to extras Oct 14 13:16:02 ah Oct 14 13:16:48 in 'select file' dialog i miss ability to paste location Oct 14 13:17:05 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Oct 14 13:31:51 ok gotta get some sunlight :) Oct 14 13:44:28 anyone alive? :) Oct 14 13:45:32 sortof Oct 14 13:45:46 should we be? Oct 14 13:46:13 lol Oct 14 13:47:46 testing out DUN connection from n810 using my treo Oct 14 13:48:25 for some reason it likes to drop connection after a couple minutes :( Oct 14 13:48:35 treo ... this thing is not yet dead ? Oct 14 13:48:36 :) Oct 14 13:48:44 heck no! Oct 14 13:49:28 which one ? as some have problem with DUN connection ... (in fact there is no problem, just not fully implemented) Oct 14 13:49:48 755p Oct 14 13:50:09 using the USBModem prc Oct 14 13:51:09 never try the 755p Oct 14 13:52:57 i am just wondering if its just sprint not liking to keep a connection going for a long period (does this happen with other phones when tethering)? Oct 14 14:30:47 whodat: on my 6630 i can keep connection until the battery died Oct 14 14:31:07 there is three possibility : Oct 14 14:31:43 1) maemo close connection due to inactivity for a certain amount of time. (a prefs settings) Oct 14 14:31:51 2) Sprint sucks :) Oct 14 14:32:11 yeah, there's a setting for idle isnt there? Oct 14 14:32:54 3) Your treo kill connection due to inactivity, or the software use to do modem over bluetooth, or as it s a third party application, maybe a result of the treo going to sleep Oct 14 14:33:39 where is that setting on the n810 Oct 14 14:34:31 under connection sttings or something in the applet Oct 14 14:35:23 The applet == connection settings Oct 14 14:51:34 if there is a cryptographic expert ... could you say me if this py module use a 128 key or if it s only a 32bit Oct 14 14:51:35 http://jclement.ca/software/pyrijndael/ Oct 14 14:51:38 ? Oct 14 14:51:50 as for me it s look like a 32bit key Oct 14 14:54:24 heh, okay, maemo-gtk definately does not play nice with anything else than hildon Oct 14 14:55:04 it runs, but when a dialog box comes up Oct 14 14:55:09 stuck ;) Oct 14 14:56:20 Stskeeps: ? Oct 14 14:56:33 Khertan: i'm trying to shoehorn Maemo GTK into Deblet Oct 14 14:56:47 HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! I VEN'T SEE THE NEWWWWS PYTHON 2.6 IS OFFICIAL !!!! Oct 14 14:59:37 db_connection = DatabaseConnection() with db_connection as cursor: cursor.execute('insert into ...') cursor.execute('delete from ...') # ... more operations ... Oct 14 14:59:43 ;) dsl Oct 14 14:59:45 sorry Oct 14 15:00:42 hehe Oct 14 15:02:29 PEP 3110 Oct 14 15:02:34 good idea Oct 14 15:03:54 hio Oct 14 15:04:10 Khertan: Read the source code. It doesn't take a cryptographic expert to figure out if you're handing something 128 bits of data or 32. Oct 14 15:05:03 derf: i see a [0:32] on the key ... Oct 14 15:05:07 so ... Oct 14 15:05:35 Khertan: what's 8*32? :P Oct 14 15:06:00 You don't need a cryptographic expert. You need someone who actually knows Python. Oct 14 15:06:11 Which would not be me. Oct 14 15:06:24 even the comments in the source code tell it uses a 256bit key Oct 14 15:07:23 eh ho ! Oct 14 15:07:46 i prefer reading the notes of python 2.6 changes :) Oct 14 15:08:03 yep .. ok ... i ll read the source again ... without reading 1 line on 10 Oct 14 15:09:04 Uses 256 bit Rijndael Oct 14 15:09:04 cipher. Key is built from first 32 characters of password Oct 14 15:09:49 i'm near ;) a 32 caracteres keys :) Oct 14 15:10:38 thx Oct 14 15:10:52 * Khertan is a bit tired Oct 14 15:11:40 py2.6:The smtplib module now supports SMTP over SSL Oct 14 15:11:43 great Oct 14 15:18:45 zzz Oct 14 15:21:07 :) Oct 14 15:25:38 johnx: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/modules_libs/aufs.ko - Got a working module. I changed it to use atomic_cmpxchg instead of cmpxchg because to compile with cmpxchg means kernel modifications. Using atomic_cmpxchg means it can insmod on any variation (rotation etc) of the 2.6.21-omap1 kernel. Oct 14 15:25:41 lol.. the default notes-app is useless. Oct 14 15:26:10 riot: it's okay for browsing text files and sending bluetooth notes i guess :P Oct 14 15:26:13 but yeah Oct 14 15:26:15 not even multiple documents!? Oct 14 15:26:16 qwerty12: sounds good :) Oct 14 15:26:24 riot: look at maemopad+ maybe Oct 14 15:26:44 i was reading a book using it (a txt file actually) and then had to open another note.. my book just disappeared.. pfft Oct 14 15:26:57 qwerty12: does cmpxchg even exist on arm? .. Oct 14 15:27:01 Stskeeps: ok, i'm gonna check that out. Thx :) Oct 14 15:27:06 riot: fbreader Oct 14 15:27:18 Stskeeps: :). I have yet to actually "branch" a folder :P. sysfs interface shows up though Oct 14 15:27:27 Stskeeps: You can patch kernel to include it Oct 14 15:27:30 riot: That is a lot better reader. Oct 14 15:27:40 Stskeeps: But that puts me in same situation as unionfs Oct 14 15:27:42 qwerty12: yeah, but cmpxchg is a x86 asm instruction :P Oct 14 15:27:55 so im just wondering Oct 14 15:28:13 qwerty12: maemo gtk really rapes a system, it's kinda impressive Oct 14 15:28:27 Stskeeps: Ouch :/ Oct 14 15:28:47 qwerty12: so i would probably have a "meblet" repo or something people can add if they want a hildon interface :P Oct 14 15:29:11 and give up on all other envs :> Oct 14 15:29:25 the good news is normal apps work with it Oct 14 15:29:40 hehe, I like having other envs though :/ Oct 14 15:30:08 indeed, but i think this idea might have benefits Oct 14 15:31:27 like, building maemo-like OS'es easily Oct 14 15:35:27 Stskeeps: ARM6 and above have ldrex and strexeq, but they're not exactly the same semantics as cmpxchg. Oct 14 15:35:36 *nod* Oct 14 16:04:47 bye Oct 14 16:20:14 * Stskeeps gives up Oct 14 16:20:20 maemo gtk on debian, not worth it Oct 14 16:20:51 good effort. I'm glad we came to the same conclusion at least Oct 14 16:21:19 well, i think it might be better for maemo apps to adjust to mainline GTK Oct 14 16:26:53 maemo gtk as in hildon? Oct 14 16:31:47 nah Oct 14 16:31:56 hildon is a framework, maemo also has gtk extensions Oct 14 16:32:28 or gtk has specific modifications for maemo Oct 14 16:33:41 oh I see Oct 14 16:35:03 ~curse ubuntu for not putting vlc 0.9.4 in 8.04 repos. now i have to build the shit myself >.< Oct 14 16:35:04 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ubuntu for not putting vlc 0.9.4 in 8.04 repos. now i have to build the shit myself >.< ! Oct 14 16:35:21 qwerty12, why not pull from ibex? the beta is out Oct 14 16:36:10 johnx: I can use the version from the intrepid repo directly? I have some bad memories when I tried to do something similar :/ Oct 14 16:36:22 Or you mean use 8.10 beta I guess Oct 14 16:36:46 either one, I would try just grabbing the .deb from ibex and seeing if it has other deps Oct 14 16:37:42 Worth a try, thanks :) Oct 14 16:38:31 I take it back Oct 14 16:38:49 it's split into a whole bunch of sub-packages :/ Oct 14 16:38:54 so it'd be a pain Oct 14 16:39:00 johnx: maybe people need to start wondering if they're coding for hildon, for maemo gtk, or for maemo :P Oct 14 16:39:02 maybe I should upgrade to ibex beta Oct 14 16:39:39 Stskeeps, it's bad enough to tell them they're coding for gtk...but not really, cause it's hildon, but gtk is different too, and it's like debian, but not exactly Oct 14 16:40:48 johnx: http://pastebin.com/d7237d7 :p Oct 14 16:40:48 johnx: i should do an opinion article or something about this Oct 14 16:40:49 :P Oct 14 16:41:33 qwerty12, yeah, I was wrong. :) Oct 14 16:42:28 johnx: I was joking :). I was looking at the amount of stuff I'm going to have to compile :p Oct 14 16:51:59 boo, johnx,qwerty,sts Oct 14 16:52:06 m00f! Oct 14 16:52:22