**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 15 02:59:57 2008 Oct 15 03:40:19 hi lopz Oct 15 03:41:58 heya cars__ Oct 15 03:43:37 How's it going? Oct 15 03:54:08 heheh, everyone's sleeping Oct 15 03:55:23 except west coast america :) Oct 15 04:01:22 night Oct 15 04:40:22 hey, does anyone have a N810 WiMAX here? Oct 15 04:46:13 * RST38h moos Oct 15 04:48:50 hello Oct 15 04:48:56 first time here Oct 15 04:49:21 * rcy too Oct 15 05:03:56 don't feed the goats Oct 15 05:08:33 what kind of tablet do you both have? Oct 15 05:27:26 * summatusmentis has a n810 Oct 15 05:32:44 no one with a n810w (rx-48)? Oct 15 05:33:13 I don't htink they're out yet Oct 15 05:34:03 they are, read that one guy in chicago got his today from nokia Oct 15 05:34:35 oh, I've not heard of anyone who has one Oct 15 05:34:59 yeah, i might be out asking a bit early Oct 15 05:40:43 I am facing this erro why so "sbox-arm-linux-gcc: -linotifytools: linker input file unused because linking not done Oct 15 05:40:43 sbox-arm-linux-gcc: -lcurl: linker input file unused because linking not done Oct 15 05:40:45 sbox-arm-linux-gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple languages Oct 15 05:40:47 " Oct 15 05:44:42 hey i am bulding an application for the nokia n810.. using the scratchbox environment.. the hildon module does not seem to have a grid attribute? can someone tel me wat replaces tat? Oct 15 06:23:45 is anyone using an n810 as a voip phone? a friend just got one, and i want to help him get it working with my asterisk server. looking ideally for an iax2 client that works with it Oct 15 06:23:53 sip would work too, i guess, but is less ideal Oct 15 06:26:59 skype and gizmo(?) are officially supported afaik Oct 15 06:29:14 sip does work with the intergrated chatclient (sofia stuff) Oct 15 06:29:37 and it does work nicely with asterisk, even video does work if you have asterisk 1.6 (but video does have some glitches) Oct 15 06:37:30 gizmo does sip and asterix Oct 15 06:44:23 too on the n810 but no video with asterisk Oct 15 06:52:57 afaik gizmo is the only video solution right now ... as in gizmo -> gizmo Oct 15 06:53:06 amsn apparently can do it too Oct 15 06:53:13 but i think its a complete pain to set up Oct 15 06:54:33 or the built in chat client Oct 15 06:59:07 I thought the built-in chat client could only do audio? Oct 15 06:59:51 no i use gizmo for video calls all the time Oct 15 07:00:31 Oh, I know gizmo can. I Oct 15 07:01:07 skype is only audio Oct 15 07:01:23 and the built in thing (even with rscomm update thing) is only audio Oct 15 07:01:32 ...was thinking of the chat client. Oct 15 07:01:37 right sorry Oct 15 07:01:42 didnt read that bit properly Oct 15 07:01:52 no problem Oct 15 07:03:02 Sorry responses are slow; not used to the on-screen keyboard yet. Oct 15 07:04:55 The built in chat app supports video too, the problem is that there are no 'desktop' apps with jabber and video afaik Oct 15 07:06:01 That's right. I remember reading that now. Oct 15 07:07:07 N8X0 <-> N8X0 should be able to handle audio and video with rtcomm Oct 15 07:07:38 hmmmmm i never managed to get rtcomm doing video Oct 15 07:08:54 I can't seem to get the finger on-screen keyboard to display w/any regularity. Any suggestions? I know the app needs to be full screen (for some reason) Oct 15 07:09:50 morning all Oct 15 07:10:00 Also, I can't install usbcontrol; it says it is incompatibile. Is there an alternate program available that would work with diablo so I can connect a usb keyboard? Oct 15 07:10:35 morning aquatix Oct 15 07:10:54 hey cars__ Oct 15 07:12:50 moontiger, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XExv3goeAI Oct 15 07:17:20 Morning. Oct 15 07:18:21 Anybody know who painted this picture???? ---> http://jasgordo.googlepages.com/an_fallen_angel_2.jpg/an_fallen_angel_2-custom;size:1999,1999.jpg Oct 15 07:18:30 been trying to find out who did it Oct 15 07:23:24 wow what is it?? Oct 15 07:23:38 looks like a fallen angel Oct 15 07:23:49 oh yah i got it Oct 15 07:23:55 zoomed in and saw it better Oct 15 07:23:59 it's a phot. Oct 15 07:24:00 angel on a rock Oct 15 07:24:02 photo Oct 15 07:43:56 anyone know of any good hard cases (that protect the screen) for the n810? Oct 15 07:44:30 maybe boxwave has one? Oct 15 07:46:57 hrm, they have one -- hard to tell how well it protects the screen Oct 15 07:47:18 after i cracked the screen on my last n810, trying to find somtehing to protect this one Oct 15 07:49:00 how did you crack it? Oct 15 07:49:41 dunno ;/ Oct 15 07:49:52 ah :) Oct 15 07:49:55 the glass is fine but big crack down the lcd Oct 15 07:50:01 ouch Oct 15 07:50:05 yeah Oct 15 07:50:20 want to avoid breaking my new one ;p Oct 15 07:50:44 the screen is glass? Oct 15 07:50:56 *shrug* Oct 15 07:51:54 Glass will not work Oct 15 07:52:38 Touchscreen requires either direct contact or a very thin pressure sensitive layer Oct 15 07:52:57 So, I would suggest either a padded case or at least a leather case Oct 15 07:53:06 given how bad the touchscreen on the n810 is, maybe it is glass Oct 15 07:54:01 it's plastic Oct 15 08:15:10 Morning, all Oct 15 08:15:40 * moontiger waves and yawns Oct 15 08:16:06 <--- getting ready for bed Oct 15 08:18:49 morning Oct 15 08:27:18 xkcd is funny today :) Oct 15 09:20:38 morning Oct 15 09:24:07 beagleboard connection works \o/ Oct 15 09:33:47 Scientists believe the UK ranges of two aggressive alien crustaceans - the North American signal crayfish and the Chinese mitten crab - are beginning to overlap, offering the prospect of an epic battle for supremacy over Britain's waterways. Oct 15 09:34:02 and good morning all Oct 15 09:51:19 RST38h, what about the russian factor: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/holiday_type/food_and_travel/article783553.ece Oct 15 09:51:45 i love the tagline: "Monster crabs are invading Europe. Armed with a jar of mayonnaise, Stephen Bleach steps into battle" Oct 15 09:59:52 _berto_: thanks Oct 15 10:08:20 <_berto_> solmumaha: yr welcome Oct 15 11:18:50 solmumaha: duke is in extras-devel. Still thinking about best way to distribute sw levels Oct 15 11:23:05 mikkov_: thanks a lot, did you create a similar package? Oct 15 11:24:39 solmumaha: It should be almost exactly the same Oct 15 11:25:48 I only changed duke3d.cfg copying from postinst to start script Oct 15 11:25:58 great job, must test it when i get home. you made full or sw version? Oct 15 11:26:20 it's only sw version for now Oct 15 11:27:35 CFLAGS are not the same, it looked like it is using more CPU now. I probably tweak them back Oct 15 11:28:25 well i'm not sure they are correct, don't remember where i grabbed them Oct 15 11:28:37 but it works with 770 without sound with those Oct 15 11:29:29 I had to change them because they were only for ARM and autobuilder builds also for i386 Oct 15 11:30:15 ah, so you need to add some checks to makefile? Oct 15 11:30:20 would it be goof idea if sw levels were optionally downloaded in postinst script? Oct 15 11:30:40 yes Oct 15 11:30:48 CFLAGS are minor issue for now Oct 15 11:32:04 levels can be redistributed but licence requires that all files (exe, etc) are distributed together Oct 15 11:32:51 can you extract the .grp and distribute it with the rest? Oct 15 11:33:16 so if ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/3dduke13.zip is downloaded and extracted and unnecessary file are deleted it is ok Oct 15 11:34:11 ah, .SHR is just a zip file Oct 15 11:34:15 so it can be done easily Oct 15 11:34:27 want me to write it? we'd need to depend on zip and wget i guess Oct 15 11:34:46 *unzip Oct 15 11:35:07 if you want to ;) Oct 15 11:36:11 there is maemo-confirm-text which can be used for dialogs Oct 15 11:36:23 yes, i've used it a lot Oct 15 11:37:36 so first question would be if user wants to downloads levels and second question which mmc? Oct 15 11:37:37 check if there's no /media/mmc[1-2]/share/duke3dsw, ask if user wants to dl them, then ask which mmc to use Oct 15 11:37:41 yes :) Oct 15 11:38:03 can you start xterm so that it runs wget? Oct 15 11:39:14 i think you have to do it in background or hidden Oct 15 11:39:32 if [ `gconftool-2 --get /system/osso/af/internal-mmc-device-present` == 'false' ] ; then (for checking mmc) Oct 15 11:41:13 i guess you'd need to check space too Oct 15 11:41:18 you do it! :p Oct 15 11:41:23 someone know mpd build for os2006? Oct 15 11:42:16 hrw: tried sonata? Oct 15 11:42:27 solmumaha: url? Oct 15 11:42:35 isn't it in extras? Oct 15 11:45:42 sonata would probably work with 2008he Oct 15 11:45:43 solmumaha: I ignore hacker editions Oct 15 11:46:19 this 770 has 64mb ram and 64mb card so swap is not an option and 2007/2008 on 64ram is pain Oct 15 11:46:39 gxmms2 would probably compile out of box if you have gregale sdk Oct 15 11:47:19 but that would require some xmms2 packages too Oct 15 11:47:45 you could setup xmms2 and some web frontend and use it with a browser Oct 15 11:53:55 lardman, ping. Oct 15 11:54:39 jott, ping. Oct 15 12:07:02 p.m.o broken? Oct 15 12:08:19 Semi-working here Oct 15 12:09:04 I wish there were a way to disallow all application topping. Oct 15 12:09:31 There's only one case where I want to see an application, and that's when I ask for it. Oct 15 12:10:04 That case does not include times when the application thinks I want to see it. Oct 15 12:10:29 mikkov_: can't you just bundle the duke3d zip and extract and delete it in postinst? Oct 15 12:10:34 it's not that big Oct 15 12:11:59 maybe that's simpler Oct 15 12:12:12 Jaffa: p.m.o? Oct 15 12:12:38 tekojo: planet.maemo.orrg Oct 15 12:13:09 GAN800: yeah, just seems to be the header Oct 15 12:13:46 solmumaha: I'll make a separate duke3dsw-data package Oct 15 12:14:14 Are there any matchbox or Xomap hacks to say "ignore all top requests"? Oct 15 12:14:19 that sounds good Oct 15 12:14:36 and do build the full version too, it's almost identical to sw Oct 15 12:14:38 With a single-window wm like Matchbox, shit topping itself left and right is about the most irritating thing I can imagine. Oct 15 12:15:11 GeneralAntilles: It's been pissing me off more & more. Wouldn't be too bad if the processor was quick enough that I didn't have time to go off and do something else for half an hour whilst the browser loaded. Oct 15 12:15:21 Yeah. :\ Oct 15 12:15:21 solmumaha: yes, I will make full build too when I update the package Oct 15 12:15:34 I love trying to load a page in MicroB, switching to XChat Oct 15 12:15:39 having it switch me back to MicroB Oct 15 12:15:44 switching back to XChat Oct 15 12:16:03 Makes me want to stab my eyes out. Oct 15 12:17:00 I don't even want applications to top themselves when they open. Oct 15 12:30:10 Nice, tablet now refuses to boot. Oct 15 12:34:57 GeneralAntilles, the window manager should just tell them no Oct 15 12:35:10 johnx, can we patch matchbox to make it so? Oct 15 12:35:18 likely Oct 15 12:35:25 other window managers can do it Oct 15 12:35:34 I don't have a patch for you :) Oct 15 12:35:49 heh...maybe just remove support for windows raising themselves? Oct 15 12:39:51 * lcuk_web waves Oct 15 12:40:46 johnx, fsck.ext3 is now segfaulting trying to fix an partition on my 8GB AData card. :\ Oct 15 12:40:59 O_o Oct 15 12:41:01 dmesg? Oct 15 12:41:12 oh, adata Oct 15 12:42:36 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Oct 15 12:43:00 anyone else have experience with adata cards? Oct 15 12:43:03 * johnx is curious Oct 15 12:44:07 GeneralAntilles: its not the 48mhz patch is it Oct 15 12:47:29 No Oct 15 12:47:44 It wouldn't see the card if it were a 48MHz issue. Oct 15 12:48:10 just pondering, arent these things borderline occasionally Oct 15 12:49:05 lcuk_web, I often get that feeling about sd cards as a rule Oct 15 12:49:45 hi, does anyone knows how to grab focus to a gtk widget and makes the virtual keyboard to appear? Oct 15 12:49:47 heh johnx, GeneralAntilles when jott first installed 48mhz patch my card was visible Oct 15 12:49:52 then it burnt in flames Oct 15 12:50:04 and was lost forever as you say Oct 15 12:50:13 in such way the user can start typing as soon as the dialog is drawed in the screen? Oct 15 12:51:53 bbl Oct 15 12:53:44 speaking of focus, does anyone notice that when you disable the address bar in fullscreen mode in the browser, the virtual keyboard vanishes when you press backspace? Oct 15 12:55:16 MangoFusion, do you know if what I'm asking is possible? Oct 15 12:55:41 sorry, no. Oct 15 12:56:20 GeneralAntilles, does dmesg say something exciting? Oct 15 12:56:33 No, nothing interesting as far as I can see. Oct 15 12:57:28 that's actually pretty interesting Oct 15 12:57:49 where does fsck segfault? Oct 15 12:58:26 i_fsize for inode 78397 (...) is 140, should be zero. Clear? yes Segmentation fault Oct 15 12:59:17 heh Oct 15 12:59:27 do you have something else to fsck it with? Oct 15 12:59:37 No. :\ Oct 15 13:00:46 do you have a usb cable and a computer with fsck on it? Oct 15 13:00:55 hint: a mac would work... Oct 15 13:01:03 ext3 support on OS X has never worked right for me Oct 15 13:01:06 USBF: 7495.153 AppleUSBEHCI[0x4733800]::Found a transaction past the completion deadline on bus 0x4b, timing out! (Addr: 14, EP: 2) Oct 15 13:01:09 Says dmesg on my G5. Oct 15 13:01:27 you're not going to use that driver, just let fsck have access to the block device Oct 15 13:02:19 though that looks more low level... Oct 15 13:02:29 I don't think that's an fs thing so much as a device level thing Oct 15 13:03:27 Yeah, I don't think it's listing a device. Oct 15 13:04:58 I don't have a mac here to work along with you and my memory isn't good enough of how *bsd names its devices... Oct 15 13:05:44 Normally they show up in /dev/disk* Oct 15 13:07:00 can you mount the card r/o and recover your stuff, then format? Oct 15 13:07:39 Yeah, I can get the stuff off the FAT partition. Oct 15 13:08:53 but the ext2 part won't even mount? Oct 15 13:09:06 Nope Oct 15 13:09:11 Nothing really important on there anyway. Oct 15 13:09:27 ick Oct 15 13:09:49 hi GeneralAntilles johnx et al Oct 15 13:09:54 hey pupnik810 Oct 15 13:09:55 Hey, pupnik810. Oct 15 13:10:04 GeneralAntilles, when you reformat, use mkfs.ext3 -cc /dev/foo1 Oct 15 13:10:07 or whatever Oct 15 13:10:16 that way it'll run a badblocks check Oct 15 13:10:23 might help in the future Oct 15 13:10:32 I'm switching to my 4GB Transcend Oct 15 13:10:56 gonna junk this card? Oct 15 13:11:07 have you had good luck with transcend? Oct 15 13:12:28 Haven't had any issues Oct 15 13:12:44 Hadn't had any issues with AData until today Oct 15 13:12:46 sooo Oct 15 13:12:52 The 8GB Transcend is just gonna be FAT mass storage. Oct 15 13:20:09 hi Oct 15 13:21:07 is there still some way of recognizing when user is using tablet's touch screen with fingers or stylus? Oct 15 13:21:47 I remember that there was this feature in N800's menu, but N810's menu doesn't anymore work in the same way Oct 15 13:29:09 herwood, do you have the latest version of OS2008? Oct 15 13:37:18 andre___, ping. Oct 15 13:38:01 GeneralAntilles, pong Oct 15 13:38:38 johnx: yea, and I'm using N810 Oct 15 13:38:39 anybody mention / release any playable games / emus lately? Oct 15 13:38:56 i've not kept up Oct 15 13:39:06 johnx: I would be interested in using that kind of feature in my own app Oct 15 13:39:11 if its possible Oct 15 13:39:30 pupnik810, there's a bunch in Extras and Extra-devel. Oct 15 13:39:42 herwood, libxsp (I believe) provides pressure data. From that I guess you can try and guess what's touching the screen Oct 15 13:40:22 that sounds good, thanks for the tip! Oct 15 13:40:31 Good morning. Oct 15 13:40:35 what section? Oct 15 13:40:45 GeneralAntilles.. Oct 15 13:40:49 Games Oct 15 13:40:52 I got one question: is there a ca-certificates package for maemo? Oct 15 13:41:37 Standard Debian one has dependencies (openssl that depends on libc and so on) making it a tough choice. Oct 15 13:43:13 So I imagined that a so basic package (ca-certificates) would be already available for maemo... anyone have a clue? Oct 15 13:45:53 herwood, and if you haven't already found this, this might be helpful, though I don't know if the API has changed since then: https://wiki.maemo.org/Using_touch_screen_pressure_data Oct 15 13:49:18 herwood, its not just based on pressure, but also on "wiggle". when a finger or thumb pad touches the surface the cursor wiggles quickly in a small area keeping the centrepoint as the centre of gravity for the push Oct 15 13:49:36 it should be possible to use standard mouse events to identify this Oct 15 13:49:47 pressure is only one small part of the equation Oct 15 13:58:40 lcuk: so did you mean that it is possible detect the pressing object (either finger or stylus) simply by using standard mouse events? Oct 15 13:58:49 or did I get it wrong? Oct 15 14:03:52 x does get mouse events Oct 15 14:08:04 btw 'mornin' lcuk :) Oct 15 14:09:56 does the tablet recognize finger press by the noise/wiggle in the x/y coordinates? Oct 15 14:11:10 pupnik810: Open the sketch app and press two finders on the screen at the same time with a few cm distance between them. Oct 15 14:11:22 And see the dot appear in the middle of your fingers. Oct 15 14:11:38 *between Oct 15 14:11:59 . Oct 15 14:12:40 It somehow calculates the average of press. Oct 15 14:13:08 or this is a property of the detector Oct 15 14:15:01 anybody working on maemo 4 pandora? Oct 15 14:15:32 pupnik810, you mean getting maemo apps into angstrom or trying to drag os2008 kicking and screaming? Oct 15 14:16:06 dunno how Oct 15 14:16:35 want maemo / itos to become more mainstream Oct 15 14:16:52 ITOS is deprecated. ;) Oct 15 14:16:55 pupnik810, OS2008 is mostly closed in terms of userfacing stuff Oct 15 14:18:05 ya well there should be a build for pandora too Oct 15 14:18:17 call it cheap advertising Oct 15 14:18:27 Better off getting the Hildon desktop environment going on Debian or Ubuntu Oct 15 14:18:34 pupnik810, Nokia loses money on software to sell hardware Oct 15 14:18:39 ah ok Oct 15 14:18:41 GeneralAntilles, that is no small task Oct 15 14:18:55 johnx, did you see qgil's post? Oct 15 14:19:02 after mine? Oct 15 14:19:05 no Oct 15 14:19:20 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24254 Oct 15 14:19:28 thanks Oct 15 14:19:35 pupnik810, a few people already have Maemo running on the Beagle, anyway. Oct 15 14:19:42 Just need to get the specifics from them. Oct 15 14:24:26 yah Oct 15 14:24:40 ty for link GeneralAntilles Oct 15 14:32:35 * qwerty12 sighs @ #2710 and goes to upload a patch Oct 15 14:45:59 * qwerty12 loves it when a person puts a youtube of a nice application but then nicely uploads it to their svn too :) Oct 15 14:47:52 qwerty12: as in `commits the whole fracking movie to svn'? :) Oct 15 14:48:34 aquatix: Not quite :P . God, when did my English go so bad >.< Oct 15 14:51:21 It's the drugs, man. :P Oct 15 14:52:25 Hehe, me goodbye drugs say :p Oct 15 14:52:33 GeneralAntilles, the licensing catch-22 is depressing :/ Oct 15 14:52:56 hola Oct 15 14:53:08 hackers: "Nokia, open-source stuff!" Nokia: "Hackers, show us a reason!" Oct 15 14:53:24 john, yeah. :\ Oct 15 14:53:33 Maybe we should just threaten them more. Oct 15 14:53:39 with what? Oct 15 14:53:47 Frozen trout wallopings. Oct 15 14:54:26 Set up in front of Nokia HQ with catapults and Linux hackers equipped with frozen trouts. ;) Oct 15 14:54:39 "to retrieve your pandora, please return the enclosed frozen trout with the impression of a Nokia lawyer's face on the side" Oct 15 14:55:06 I mean they waited like 2 years for this thing. assault and battery will pale in comparison Oct 15 14:55:10 I hear the Finns like fish so I guess fish is the way to go. Oct 15 14:56:21 license catch-22? Oct 15 14:56:52 johnx, not enough guarantees, we should require them to return with the source for at least one package before they get their Pandoras. ;) Oct 15 14:57:12 qgil wants us to ignore the EULA and experiment running OS2008 on other hardware. hackers want to see an open license before putting time into a project Oct 15 14:58:55 actually, I guess that's the answer: take the path of least resistance to get OS2008 mostly running on the pandora, then come back to Nokia and ask for some source Oct 15 15:00:29 oops, wrong window Oct 15 15:00:31 oops, wrong window Oct 15 15:00:34 what is pandora? Oct 15 15:00:39 gaming handheld Oct 15 15:00:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console) Oct 15 15:00:50 Beagle Board in a case. Oct 15 15:01:09 beagleboard in a case, with a nice screen, a little keyboard and some gaming controls Oct 15 15:01:50 I can't see Nokia budging. They provide a retarded environment for their SDK, I can't see them going for the pandora. Oct 15 15:01:52 and pre-installed emulators Oct 15 15:02:37 qwerty12, every time I see a post from qgil I get hopeful, then I remember that he's not on the legal team :/ Oct 15 15:03:56 johnx, sadly, the people who are on our side are already on our side, and those that aren't we can't get to. . . . Oct 15 15:04:01 johnx: I see Nokia's Internet Tablet division and maemo.org (apologies in advance if capitalisation etc is wrong...) as two separate entities. And I have to say, I think of Nokia with the upper hand by far Oct 15 15:04:24 qwerty12, Maemo Software or the hardware division? Oct 15 15:04:27 well, gqil is definitely "Nokia" Oct 15 15:04:39 URLS aren't capitalized. Oct 15 15:04:47 johnx: No, qgil is Maemo Software. Oct 15 15:04:58 Maemo Software: Marketing Oct 15 15:05:02 or something like that Oct 15 15:05:07 timeless: yep Oct 15 15:05:08 ah, ok, thanks Oct 15 15:05:28 marketing manager, open source Oct 15 15:05:29 Maemo Software @ Nokia Oct 15 15:05:31 According to the signature. Oct 15 15:05:45 GeneralAntilles: I don't really see any deviation any more. You have people who put closed source apps in catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com (which is an odd link back to repository.maemo.org/catalogue (or something like that)) Oct 15 15:09:45 qwerty12, deviation between? Oct 15 15:12:39 Hmm, I have no idea what I just said, sorry. I see the hardware division (and it includes software too as shown by agps-ui & icd2 dummy module uploaded without any source) and Maemo Software as two separate entities. Oct 15 15:13:12 Yes, that's correct. Oct 15 15:13:23 * qwerty12 just saw Maemo Software and read it as Maemo Software instead of the literal meaning. *bangs face on desk* Oct 15 15:13:44 s/literal meaning/qwerty's idea of literal meaning Oct 15 15:13:53 pandora is a beagle board in a case? interesting Oct 15 15:14:32 http://openpandora.org Oct 15 15:14:32 guess it makes perfect sense Oct 15 15:14:44 not literally a beagleboard Oct 15 15:15:06 but the same OMAP3, with 128MB RAM/256MB NAND Oct 15 15:15:10 of course, i'm just thinking conceptually Oct 15 15:15:30 I just didn't want to spread misinformation :) Oct 15 15:15:54 hahaha Oct 15 15:17:13 Mostly all it shares with the Beagle is the SoC and PoP Oct 15 15:28:01 hello Oct 15 15:28:14 anybody can help me with osso-wlancond Oct 15 15:28:50 can anyone help me out with osso-wlancond? Oct 15 15:29:10 what's the problem? Oct 15 15:29:29 i am a complete newbie and want to programmetically control wlan interface Oct 15 15:30:47 i have downloaded osso-wlan, osso-wlan-dev and studied the code there Oct 15 15:31:06 there seem to be some functions to control the state but I am not very sure how to use it Oct 15 15:31:23 look at libconic Oct 15 15:31:44 i think with libconic i can scan and do those kind of things Oct 15 15:31:56 but can i control the state of wlan interface with libconic? Oct 15 15:32:07 think so Oct 15 15:32:28 dunno though Oct 15 15:32:42 i dont think so Oct 15 15:33:22 libconic api has conicconnection, conicevent, conicconnectionevent and conicstatistics Oct 15 15:33:35 they only help with connecting and scanning Oct 15 15:34:46 has anyone programmed with osso-wlancond before? Oct 15 15:34:50 dbus can control icd too. On -developers, I posted dbus-send lines to switch the tablet from offline mode to online and vice versa and matan posted some dbus-send lines to specify which network you want to connect to (that is already saved) and something else. Oct 15 15:35:24 ok Oct 15 15:35:36 where can I get those lines, can u direct me? Oct 15 15:36:01 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/41806 Oct 15 15:37:10 oh, so its a script to be run Oct 15 15:38:35 but can it be used to put the interface in a powersave mode, or to change its power usage in db? Oct 15 15:50:58 Hey... I was thinking of having erminig auto update. I see it can be scripted, but I'm wondering if there's a way to run something upon internet connection instead of just dumb cron Oct 15 15:51:09 dbus-scripts Oct 15 15:51:57 * GAN800 feels like qwerty12 Oct 15 15:52:11 Steady :P Oct 15 15:52:12 So many hacks to rehack after a clean flash. :/ Oct 15 15:52:42 Community edition ftw Oct 15 15:52:51 Yeah Oct 15 15:52:57 I don't see the dbus executable on the tablet, so I guess bash is out of the question Oct 15 15:53:15 qwerty12, now that you have a charger. . . . Oct 15 15:53:38 and since jott seems to be otherwise occupied. Oct 15 15:54:20 But I'm not jott :/ and I don't know a quarter of the stuff that he knows :/ Oct 15 15:54:44 Yeah, but you _are_ qwerty12, and a start's a start. ;) Oct 15 15:56:16 :/ Oct 15 15:56:42 Getting something concrete going will hopefully encourage others to pitch in. Oct 15 15:56:50 Right now, we're just uselessly treading wate.r Oct 15 15:57:49 as always, all discussions end, when we come to the topic of using osso-dbuscond Oct 15 15:58:22 :/ Oct 15 15:58:33 :( Oct 15 15:58:48 GeneralAntilles: True, but I really don't see me kick-starting this. I'm not a programmer (just little hacks here and there) Oct 15 15:59:10 It's all packaging for the time being. Oct 15 16:00:46 qwrety12: where can i get those status/device mode strings that I need to enclose in "" after the d-bus call? Oct 15 16:01:09 sumanta: erm, what dbus call? Oct 15 16:01:26 qwrety12: the link you directed me to Oct 15 16:01:54 usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=signal /com/nokia/mce/signal com.nokia.mce.signal.sig_device_mode_ind string:"flight" Oct 15 16:02:24 qwrety12: here you used string "flight", how can i get a list of this type of strings that I can use Oct 15 16:02:36 Oh, those. I just sniffed that out with dbus-monitor --system and setting the tablet to offline while dbus-monitor was running Oct 15 16:02:45 oh ok Oct 15 16:03:13 isnt there any doc or manual? Oct 15 16:03:49 solmumaha: ping Oct 15 16:04:15 sorry? Oct 15 16:04:59 sumanta: libconic header file Oct 15 16:06:25 or maybe in mce-dev Oct 15 16:06:34 melmoth: can libconic control the interface? i think it can only help us with connectin and scanning Oct 15 16:06:49 yep /usr/include/mce/mode-names.h Oct 15 16:07:00 oh thanks Oct 15 16:07:14 qwerty12: pong Oct 15 16:07:30 * GAN800 wants and advanced-connectivity. Oct 15 16:07:35 s/and/an/ Oct 15 16:09:14 solmumaha: knots doesn't happen to keep a log file anywhere? I'm trying to stream Don't mess with the zohan as a test (being the only thing on the linux partition) and knots on the tablet goes back to the file list after 10 seconds after choosing it (and I don't get no video). vlc on the desktop is playing it fine Oct 15 16:10:37 ~./config/knots/knots.log or just stop it and run with ./knots stick Oct 15 16:10:58 is it 0.9.x vlc? Oct 15 16:11:23 Yep, 0.9.4 compiled from ubuntu intrepid sources y/day :) Oct 15 16:12:20