**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 31 02:59:57 2008 Oct 31 03:09:04 Has anyone managed to get UPNP music sharing working over OpenVPN from a windows machine to a tablet? I may just be too tired, but I can see why it doesn't work... :\ Oct 31 03:09:20 s/can/can't/ Oct 31 03:09:20 closet meant: Has anyone managed to get UPNP music sharing working over OpenVPN from a windows machine to a tablet? I may just be too tired, but I can't see why it doesn't work... :\ Oct 31 03:17:50 <`0660> closet, the problem is with your multicasting Oct 31 03:21:01 <`0660> at least in linux multicast addresses are routed to eth0 by default Oct 31 03:21:41 <`0660> closet, question 6 might have the answer for you: http://andrew.triumf.ca/pub/linux/multicast-FAQ Oct 31 03:37:33 thanks `0606, I'll check that out :) Oct 31 03:55:01 that did the trick! thanks so much! for the log, I just had to do "route add -net 224.0.0.0 netmask 240.0.0.0 dev tap0", where tap0 is the interface to my vpn. now I can enjoy all my music around campus :) Oct 31 03:56:32 damn didnt know that Oct 31 03:57:04 i rarely use multicast, but ill add that to my server's conf route pushing Oct 31 04:02:02 closet, why dont you use openvpn push? Oct 31 04:04:49 just didn't know you could do it that way; simpler than doing it by hand though, so I'll have to try it Oct 31 04:37:42 closet, you can even force clients to use the vpn for all ip traffic Oct 31 04:37:53 no more proxy needed Oct 31 04:56:03 night Oct 31 06:19:10 * Stskeeps clings to his coffee machine Oct 31 06:23:14 * johnx is re-heating coffee right now :) Oct 31 06:23:47 ehlo johnx Oct 31 06:24:25 ahoy Oct 31 06:39:06 johnx: Seen a post about Entertainer on the Planet? Oct 31 06:39:20 Any idea where this app came from? I did not hear about it before Oct 31 06:39:28 haven't looked at my rss feeds yet Oct 31 06:41:37 JamieBennett has been working on it for the past month or so. Oct 31 06:41:50 more than that it seems Oct 31 06:42:49 so GeneralAntilles, I revise my prediction about the n900 only having 128MB of RAM in light of some recent events :) Oct 31 06:43:08 ;) Oct 31 06:43:13 8 months is a long time Oct 31 06:43:15 * Stskeeps listens to the Maemo & Mamona talk Oct 31 06:43:24 heh Oct 31 06:43:46 picoprojector, kthx too Oct 31 06:43:47 :P Oct 31 06:43:54 I really hope they do away with the itsy-bitsy built-in NAND. Oct 31 06:44:11 my new prediction goes something like: 256MB RAM / 512MB NAND Oct 31 06:44:29 512m nand would really make some interesting things possible Oct 31 06:44:39 that would put it in line with another OMAP3 based device yet-to-be-released Oct 31 06:44:42 Be nice if they could fit some sort of digital video connector on it without upping size too much. Oct 31 06:44:57 as in firewire? or ... ? Oct 31 06:45:01 2gb would be nice Oct 31 06:45:05 HDMI or somesuch Oct 31 06:45:13 They should just totally do away with the unmanaged NAND Oct 31 06:45:16 with a quad core cortex a9 Oct 31 06:45:21 8-32GB eMMC Oct 31 06:45:22 a connector like on the beagle could be a possibility Oct 31 06:45:28 GeneralAntilles, that's a bad idea Oct 31 06:45:43 (the dvi/hdmi) Oct 31 06:46:02 also, I sincerely doubt we'll see any omap3 device with a built in lcd and digital video out Oct 31 06:46:21 johnx, why is that a bad idea? Oct 31 06:46:58 GeneralAntilles, integrating the wear leveling with the fs means you don't have to be completely stupid about how you handle things Oct 31 06:47:22 Hmm? Oct 31 06:47:38 fs says: write 1KB of date -> card erases 64KB and writes 64KB Oct 31 06:47:54 It also currently limits you to about 512MB. Oct 31 06:48:03 Even that is likely to be a bit slow with jffs2 Oct 31 06:48:11 there are other filesystems besides jffs2 Oct 31 06:48:27 Not many at shipping quality. Oct 31 06:48:41 there are lots of interesting things just arriving right now, and 8 months is a long time for them to stabilize Oct 31 06:49:30 it's not like they can't switch filesystems opportunistically if a good one shows up Oct 31 07:07:12 johnx: nokia should embrace pervasive computing and make a market for inexpensive networked devices, such as .. ok, you need a dvi connector, make something that communicates over wifi and shows/streams your display to it :P Oct 31 07:07:36 they could call it an "X server"! Oct 31 07:07:40 yes Oct 31 07:07:43 but inexpensive Oct 31 07:07:52 like, 10$ ish Oct 31 07:07:57 hmm Oct 31 07:08:00 or something Oct 31 07:08:00 :P Oct 31 07:08:10 or the screen should be networked Oct 31 07:08:10 :P Oct 31 07:08:21 like an x terminal from the 80's? Oct 31 07:08:31 possibly Oct 31 07:08:32 except with some proprietary nokia protocol? Oct 31 07:08:35 nah Oct 31 07:08:36 open Oct 31 07:08:42 anyway, im off to work :P Oct 31 07:08:45 alright Oct 31 07:08:58 and I'll figure out why matchbox-panel-2 seqfaults ... grrrr Oct 31 07:09:42 How feasible would video out be over USB on OMAP3 hardware, I wonder. . . . Oct 31 07:10:22 my initial thought is *not very* based on how bad it's supposed to be on incredibly fast modern desktops Oct 31 07:11:29 it would be entirely possible for the n900 to have s-video though without much cost/effort IIUC Oct 31 07:11:45 composite would probably make more sense Oct 31 07:11:50 as they can slap that on the 3.5mm jack Oct 31 07:12:08 suppose so Oct 31 07:12:19 I guess I should have said "some kind of analog output" Oct 31 07:16:35 Hello Oct 31 08:27:49 https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Rating-view-mockup.png Oct 31 08:40:43 I have a problem with my scratchbox when i try to compile a qt4 project (i have installed the libs). I have this error message : "mmap: Permission denied". Someone have a solution ? Oct 31 08:45:05 Morning, all Oct 31 08:45:22 hi Oct 31 08:51:26 GeneralAntilles: Yes, looks nice. Oct 31 08:51:29 morning Oct 31 09:08:18 https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Application-view-mockup.png Oct 31 09:09:46 GeneralAntilles: nice Oct 31 09:10:14 Maybe add a button to the toolbar for adding a rating or comment. Oct 31 09:12:30 very nice GeneralAntilles Oct 31 09:24:26 GeneralAntilles: I think all extra features should go on a separate product page. Oct 31 09:24:41 "extra features"? Oct 31 09:24:42 GeneralAntilles: So you have a details page. Oct 31 09:25:08 Where you can see comments, rating, number for downloads, screenshot. Oct 31 09:25:42 So, now we have a list of packages with an info button that brings up a dialog Oct 31 09:25:57 yeah, or just clicking on it. Oct 31 09:26:06 No dialog btw. Oct 31 09:26:16 Just a new view? Oct 31 09:26:27 Dialogs should be banned on the device. Oct 31 09:27:05 I'm proposing that we have a list of packages with an info button (or something else) that brings up a new view Oct 31 09:27:12 Actually Oct 31 09:27:19 I wonder if we should put some tabs at the top. Oct 31 09:27:27 Hrm Oct 31 09:27:37 Isn't that what the breadcrumb is for? Oct 31 09:27:45 Well Oct 31 09:27:46 In the info view Oct 31 09:28:04 I still want to see what repository it came from, dependencies, maintainer (apt-cache stuff), etc. Oct 31 09:28:13 As well as the screenshots, description, comments Oct 31 09:28:21 Ah yeah, well that can be tabbed. Oct 31 09:28:42 or scroll Oct 31 09:28:58 Main features on first tab. hacker features on other tabs. Oct 31 09:29:03 scrolling sucks for ui-ish things, but that sounds content-ish Oct 31 09:29:37 X-Fade, right. Oct 31 09:29:43 I think the current dialog has a good idea for that. Oct 31 09:29:57 Although the summary should be more end-user friendly. Oct 31 09:30:15 We'll need to push package maintainers for better descriptions. Oct 31 09:30:28 Or fetch from maemo.org? Oct 31 09:30:38 In that same meta-data xml? Oct 31 09:30:46 Well, that's still mostly the maintainers Oct 31 09:31:12 Sure, but because /downloads/ is more like a wiki. Others can do that too. Oct 31 09:31:20 True Oct 31 09:31:28 We'll see, maybe. Oct 31 09:32:24 if size(package-maintainer-description > maemo-org-desc) :) Oct 31 09:32:54 Some maintainers may object to having a random description used. Oct 31 09:33:40 Don't try to find problems before they are there.. Oct 31 09:33:55 Ehehe Oct 31 09:34:15 Gotta think ahead Oct 31 09:34:17 You will always have a few people that will object. Oct 31 09:34:27 Think 80-20 :) Oct 31 09:34:43 Client's in retard mode Oct 31 09:34:44 brb Oct 31 09:36:04 My cloak's expired already? Oct 31 09:36:06 Crazy. . . . Oct 31 09:38:01 http://blog.wikiring.com/Blog/BlogEntry28 <- damn, and i thought i had seen bad things Oct 31 09:42:08 StsN800, you mean the actual situation, or the "dramatic" tone of the entry? Oct 31 09:44:37 well, dramatic.. ive never been much for community wars or the whole trademark crap Oct 31 09:46:38 * GeneralAntilles declares community war on Stskeeps. Oct 31 09:48:59 GeneralAntilles, i just stop coding and caring and move on usually :P Oct 31 09:49:33 cos then its not the product but the meta stuff anymore Oct 31 09:52:18 (really dont care much for politics, just architecture and system developer friendliness Oct 31 10:25:47 Jaffa: ping Oct 31 10:31:24 dneary: ping Oct 31 10:31:41 lardman: no route to host? :D Oct 31 10:31:44 phew Oct 31 10:31:49 lardman: pong Oct 31 10:31:53 :) Oct 31 10:32:03 dneary: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238095&postcount=24 Oct 31 10:32:10 how does one create a maemo.org account? Oct 31 10:32:20 last line of that post Oct 31 10:32:25 Which I hope is you? :) Oct 31 10:32:31 argh ;) Oct 31 10:32:36 The "use your garage account" line disappeared from the login page. Oct 31 10:33:09 Hmm maybe that is because of the http change. Oct 31 10:35:31 lardman: Typically, it's clicking on "Create account" on any page in maemo.org Oct 31 10:36:03 For the wiki, you just need to log in with your maemo.org account name & password Oct 31 10:36:14 righty ho Oct 31 10:36:16 I guess we should link to the maemo.org account creation page Oct 31 10:36:21 It had, previously. Oct 31 10:36:44 I don't think anybody changed the wiki? Oct 31 10:36:53 Haven't seen it at least? Oct 31 10:36:55 But the link that (ferenc?) put up there disappeared. Oct 31 10:37:02 I have a problem when i try to compiling a Qt4 project with some files (one file works). When i do qmake commande i have this message : "qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting". Someone have a solution ? Oct 31 10:37:22 vincenzo88: This is because of a qemu bug. Oct 31 10:37:42 dneary: thanks, have replied Oct 31 10:37:42 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3236 Oct 31 10:37:43 Have you a solution to resolve this bug ? Oct 31 10:38:41 vincenzo88: No, there is some work going on for that I believe. Oct 31 10:38:56 Mek: Do you know if the qemu thing has been fixed? Oct 31 10:39:24 X-fake: ok thanks Oct 31 10:39:34 X-Fade: no idea, didn't have much time recently do do anything maemo related Oct 31 10:40:00 vincenzo88: a newer qemu from cvs might be a solution. Oct 31 10:40:13 vincenzo88: But I'm not in the loop for that, so I don't know. Oct 31 10:40:47 if you're just using qmake you shold be able to use the qemu-cvs-m version that comes with scratchbox Oct 31 10:41:40 lardman: It's already there in the login form: "Don't have a login? Please create an account at garage.maemo.org." Oct 31 10:42:43 ah ok Oct 31 10:44:17 lardman: pong Oct 31 10:44:25 hey Jaffa Oct 31 10:44:35 did you see my response re agps? Oct 31 10:47:33 I did. Oct 31 10:48:47 off the top of my head, a pixel is ~50x50miles, so you'd need some accurate tapping Oct 31 10:49:19 I seem to remember that the ephemerides are valid over a range of a few hundred miles or so Oct 31 10:49:38 but I agree, more info from the app, or ideally the source code itself Oct 31 10:49:57 And I wonder how fast it would deteriorate if you move a few hunderd more. Oct 31 10:50:17 not very quickly, as you'll still have sats in view, Oct 31 10:50:33 visible from orbit mmmmmm Oct 31 10:50:40 yeah, so basically your part of the globe would be ok ;) Oct 31 10:50:46 mmmmorning o/ Oct 31 10:51:04 X-Fade: well that's my understanding, but who really knows!? :) Oct 31 10:51:24 lardman: Well that is something one can test. Oct 31 10:51:31 my bet is that the nice interface and time it takes to click an area just distracts the user Oct 31 10:51:43 giving gps time to kick in ;) Oct 31 10:51:51 Just click somewhere in the center of europe and see if that fix takes longer than nearer to your home. Oct 31 10:52:23 ah, just checked my email. Nice to see some info from Marko Oct 31 10:52:32 agps never made any difference with the gps locking time here (with or without internet connexion) Oct 31 10:52:41 x-fade, but its so random already, it took me halfway to work before i got a lock this morning, yesterday it was on before i got down the street Oct 31 10:52:51 X-Fade: atm it takes forever for me, there's another underlying issue, perhaps related to nvd_data corruption Oct 31 10:54:20 lcuk: Cloudy day doesn't help either. Oct 31 10:54:31 lardman: Try wiping the file? Oct 31 10:54:48 I know, too many variables though Oct 31 10:55:00 * lcuk never though of normal clouds gettin in the way Oct 31 10:55:07 lardman: Well, empty is always a good point to start with ;) Oct 31 10:55:18 does it work better in the daytime as well - afterall then we can see the sky Oct 31 10:55:41 should also work better if you face slightly south Oct 31 10:55:54 lcuk: I think clouds can.. Oct 31 10:56:04 yeah, they degrade the signal strength Oct 31 10:56:06 do you recommend wearing sandles or full shoes to get a lock? Oct 31 10:56:13 metal soles Oct 31 10:56:22 steel toecaps? Oct 31 10:56:33 or do they interfere? Oct 31 10:56:35 the south thing is true though :) look at the distribution of satellite orbits, etc Oct 31 10:59:28 * lcuk_web has been kicked off computer so missus can look at pumpkins \@/ Oct 31 11:00:19 cnc machining faces in them? Oct 31 11:00:34 heh no, but i guess you saw that one Oct 31 11:01:01 they have a production line going on - kids are gutting them, tracy is gonna davinci em Oct 31 11:01:19 apparently it's not the water vapour, but ice & other particles/aerosols which interfere (or solid water) Oct 31 11:01:30 s/solid/liquid Oct 31 11:01:32 high altitude clouds Oct 31 11:01:33 doh Oct 31 11:01:43 or raining ones Oct 31 11:01:46 thunder cells Oct 31 11:02:19 yeah, noise producers Oct 31 11:02:22 i suppose solid water will also have an impact (I wonder if we could find a word to describe solid water?) Oct 31 11:03:16 hmm, I wonder Oct 31 11:03:26 are u havin a lazy weekend this time, or are you all rushed again? Oct 31 11:03:52 why not go for something with absolutely no shared letters, as the two look different, and fewer letters too as the solid type is less dense? Oct 31 11:04:07 what about c-i-e? Oct 31 11:04:28 lazy, hope to do more coding on barcode Oct 31 11:05:06 cool, im hopin to get a bit of a ui designer in place Oct 31 11:05:51 though im out drinking and christening and other stuff - oh and goin seein bond Oct 31 11:06:07 * lcuk_web just realised hes actually got a full weekend Oct 31 11:06:19 yes, I want to see bond Oct 31 11:06:32 takin luke, it looks excellent Oct 31 11:07:26 Out already? Oct 31 11:07:32 tracy spent half of this morning on ticketmaster, take that are comin back Oct 31 11:07:36 for once Oct 31 11:07:41 GeneralAntilles: has premier yesterday or so Oct 31 11:07:43 it being British and all Oct 31 11:09:22 bah, why do i bother reading all the negative press about the aigo and the linux variant found on it... Oct 31 11:09:42 by the way, if i were to make a kinetic calendat, how many years either side of now should i go? Oct 31 11:09:49 calendar even Oct 31 11:10:09 cool, must be the fastest resolved bug ever :) Oct 31 11:10:15 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3833 Oct 31 11:12:28 wow lardman :) result Oct 31 11:12:42 it was probably already out there actually Oct 31 11:12:51 nice to see people takling though Oct 31 11:15:16 yeah, as quim has said, ask reasonable questions and they will try to give reasonable answers Oct 31 11:58:51 X-Fade, help! ;) Oct 31 12:01:56 yerga: I can't hide from you, can I ;) Oct 31 12:02:26 no ;) Oct 31 12:02:48 for some reason I can't upload screenshots to sharepy downloads page Oct 31 12:03:17 yerga: Are there any error messages? Oct 31 12:03:23 nothing Oct 31 12:03:30 I mean it upload the files Oct 31 12:03:42 but when I hit the save button Oct 31 12:03:46 it disappear Oct 31 12:09:01 yerga: I'll check. We change the storage of these blobs last week, so there might be a problem with that. Oct 31 12:09:11 Although I see your screenshots in the static cache. Oct 31 12:09:21 ok, thanks. Oct 31 12:09:27 sharepylist etc? Oct 31 12:09:33 yeah Oct 31 12:09:41 I tried changing the name Oct 31 12:09:53 the format, etc. Oct 31 12:09:59 with other browsers Oct 31 12:10:06 and same result Oct 31 12:28:00 What other ideas am I missing for Application manager features from the list for Fremantle? https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager#Goals_for_Fremantle Oct 31 12:33:24 Hmm. My karma has lost 200 points in the last couple of days, and now dates from - as far as I can tell - 16th May 2008. Oct 31 12:33:39 But it's using some fscked up USian date format, so who knows... Oct 31 12:34:03 it is deflating! Oct 31 12:34:17 X-Fade: have new karma calculations been deployed? Oct 31 12:34:34 Jaffa: It is recalculating, but it is doing things in small batches. Oct 31 12:35:04 And there might have been higher counts in the past because of duplicate runs. Oct 31 12:35:04 X-Fade: ah, perhaps it's worth some kind of marker on the page if you access it whilst it's updating? Oct 31 12:35:34 Jaffa: Recalc will finish in 2 days orso. Let's see if it is ok then. Oct 31 12:38:23 Jaffa, that's no US date format. Oct 31 12:38:30 GeneralAntilles: Looks great, if we can get all that then I'm pretty pleased :) Oct 31 12:39:19 GeneralAntilles: MM/dd/yy is US, isn't it Oct 31 12:39:20 GeneralAntilles: Maybe add: _no_ _dialogs_ _ever_ ;) Oct 31 12:39:26 it is Oct 31 12:39:30 I know my karma has been updated more recently than 05/09/08 Oct 31 12:39:40 So clearly that September 5th, 2008. Oct 31 12:40:20 %x %X . Oct 31 12:40:24 That is the format. Oct 31 12:40:40 02/28/08 Oct 31 12:42:41 It should be ISO8601 and use yyyy-MM-dd to prevent confusion (as Bugzilla is) Oct 31 12:43:18 how is it better other than for sorting purposes? Oct 31 12:43:33 From what dneary was saying before about the karma calc, I think it's fundmamentally broken in terms of implementation Oct 31 12:43:51 I'll change the date format. Just a moment ;) Oct 31 12:44:08 RST38h: It's most-significant -> least significant, there's no confusion between dd/MM/yy and MM/dd/yy Oct 31 12:45:51 If it says 02/03/04 that could be at least three commonly used formats. So 2004-03-02 is clear as, in that format, there's never a yyyy-dd-MM format. Oct 31 12:45:59 Does somebody want to ponder out the specifics of the subcategories implementation and add it to the Fremantle goals? Oct 31 12:48:17 hi Oct 31 12:48:23 * Jaffa had his ponder. I can expand on it, or people can do their own version. Oct 31 12:48:36 Jaffa: Better now? Oct 31 12:48:45 has anyone ever implemented a program which would use wlan ad-hoc? Oct 31 12:53:36 No wonder the damn wiki wouldn't load Oct 31 12:53:44 the goddamn cable's out again. Oct 31 12:53:57 herwood, my entire network is adhoc Oct 31 12:56:05 X-Fade: much better, ta. Oct 31 12:57:29 lcuk: I don't know much about wlan stuff, but I was just wondering that is it hard to configure two tablets into ad-hoc? Oct 31 12:57:43 I mean in the program Oct 31 12:57:57 is there some kind of API etc to control the wlan? Oct 31 12:58:08 no, its adhoc Oct 31 12:58:41 the network is created when the first adapter shouts its name from the roof tops (with passwords etc) Oct 31 12:59:24 others can join that network or not - its all under the same wifi connection stuff Oct 31 12:59:45 hmm Oct 31 12:59:50 "free wireless internet" is a popular adhoc network Oct 31 13:00:14 ive got 2 tablets, a desktop and a laptop Oct 31 13:00:30 allright, that sounds good Oct 31 13:00:40 no router - if i enable wifi on any device its there Oct 31 13:00:55 if another device comes into the group great! Oct 31 13:01:16 * GeneralAntilles slaps lcuk with $50 for a router. Oct 31 13:01:21 so i can just connect my 2 n810s when they are nearby - wherever that may be (made great use of it in berlin) Oct 31 13:01:32 but your router wont do that ^ Oct 31 13:01:54 Having a router doesn't prevent you from using adhoc when you're not around it. Oct 31 13:02:07 It also means you wont get shit battery life when you use wifi. Oct 31 13:02:10 whiteboarding by quantum entanglment is good Oct 31 13:02:15 so who controls the devices in adhoc-mode? Oct 31 13:02:22 is there some sort of "host" Oct 31 13:02:23 the devices Oct 31 13:02:37 herwood, look up the definition of adhoc. ;) Oct 31 13:02:42 ad-hoc :: winging it :: no script Oct 31 13:02:50 so, if you try to join in the adhoc, you'll have to have same passwords etc Oct 31 13:02:52 It's like a p2p network Oct 31 13:02:59 yes Oct 31 13:03:13 ok, i'll take a look at the specs, if I find them Oct 31 13:03:18 thanks guys Oct 31 13:03:26 and doubly make sure your passwords are right, cos you wont get errors about them Oct 31 13:03:32 it just wont work Oct 31 13:03:51 ok Oct 31 13:23:47 Jaffa: What was I saying about the karma calculation? Oct 31 13:23:58 My understanding is in wiki.maemo.org/Karma Oct 31 13:26:13 dneary: That everything was recalculated every time, and that there was no "updating" of existing records Oct 31 13:33:17 hola Oct 31 13:48:43 Ah Oct 31 13:48:50 Jaffa: Yeah, that's my understanding Oct 31 13:49:31 hm, how much stuff is on a typical os2008/diablo image when it's uncompressed, like, amounts of actual uncompressed files? Oct 31 13:49:47 just wondering how much they're managed to squeeze through Oct 31 13:49:51 (.. guess i can look for myself :P) Oct 31 13:49:58 good morning Oct 31 13:50:41 morning, - i'm taking bus home and taking dishes at home so i'll be here in an hour or so Oct 31 13:50:45 then i'll prod you :P Oct 31 13:50:51 Stskeeps: I'm able to boot to the console mode if I hold down the home key now Oct 31 13:50:54 sounds good Oct 31 13:51:01 have a safe trip Oct 31 13:51:31 r2d2rogers: sounds good :) usbnet too? Oct 31 13:52:09 yeah, when I learn how to use it ;) Oct 31 13:53:19 https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Collaboration_infrastructure Oct 31 13:55:36 GeneralAntilles: that's a good question.. Oct 31 13:55:45 it seems to me many nokia people are on launchpad already Oct 31 13:55:51 hence part of my fremantle ubuntu conspiracy Oct 31 14:07:26 oh god Oct 31 14:07:38 * GeneralAntilles notices tz1 in the Application manager history Oct 31 14:14:05 GeneralAntilles, I did a new patch for the repository thing: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=238173#post238173 Oct 31 14:14:22 Now it differentiate between extras and extras-devel Oct 31 14:20:30 yerga, I wonder about making it "pretty" to reduce the user-scare-factor Oct 31 14:20:50 A Maemo-Display-Name sort of deal except for repository. Oct 31 14:24:01 Be nice to tag stuff as "Development quality" if it's in Extras-devel somewhere here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Application-view-mockup.png Oct 31 14:25:14 GeneralAntilles: Do we have a Proposal: namespace? Oct 31 14:31:29 hmm, thats a interesting mockup indeed Oct 31 14:35:09 hey yerga, do you think it would be possible to automate the postings from wordpy so that if it detects a hotspot it will autoconnect and upload pending blog entries? Oct 31 14:35:48 X-Fade, just toss 'em in Task: Oct 31 14:35:52 {{task|proposed}} Oct 31 14:36:03 hmm, never mind, i see its in the roadmap for 0.8 Oct 31 14:36:04 t_s_o, possible it would be Oct 31 14:36:27 the roadmap is a bit outdated Oct 31 14:36:36 heh, maybe so Oct 31 14:36:45 the idea is good Oct 31 14:36:56 but wordpy would be open to detect it Oct 31 14:37:05 should be open Oct 31 14:37:46 or some applet or something similar Oct 31 14:39:14 Seems like alarmd should support something like that. Oct 31 14:42:45 * Stskeeps collapses on his couch Oct 31 14:44:08 what's the great deal about ogg/theora support again? :P if there's hooks to introduce other codecs, then good Oct 31 14:44:49 (yes, i like ogg and yes it's nice to listen to, but it's a codec, not a religion :P) Oct 31 14:45:05 Pfft Oct 31 14:45:09 It's a religion. Oct 31 14:45:20 Stskeeps: you can add whatever codecs you like but the built-in apps seems to have hardcoded list of codecs they support Oct 31 14:45:25 Every day Nokia doesn't ship OGG, it's like they've killed a kitten. Oct 31 14:46:39 I wouldn't be surprised if an OGG zealot out there actually was killing kittens until Nokia ships OGG. :P Oct 31 14:46:41 kulve: true - then itch and write a better media player? the one in maemo isn't exactly good :P Oct 31 14:46:59 i like the radio channel stuff and so on but rest.. ick Oct 31 14:47:07 ogg to some is like the GPL to gnu ;) Oct 31 14:47:26 * Stskeeps hugs his /whois Oct 31 14:47:54 ? Oct 31 14:48:22 had "death to all gnubies" as my gecos on irc since my first time encountering debian-legal and minions :) Oct 31 14:48:35 :P Oct 31 14:48:36 Stskeeps: the great deal is.. as most distro do not ship mp3 encoder for legal reason, most of my music is in encoded in ogg. Oct 31 14:48:48 melmoth: i used to have most of my music in ogg as well but not anymore Oct 31 14:48:57 .. because i stopped buying cds, but that's another thing Oct 31 14:49:26 Stskeeps: We have already written kilikali ;) Oct 31 14:50:01 kulve: worst part is that it kinda looks like it's more user friendly than the media player.. :P Oct 31 14:50:01 GeneralAntilles: The Xiph.Org Foundation officially protests the killing of any kittens. Oct 31 14:50:30 Stskeeps: do you mean the old UI or the new one..? Oct 31 14:50:48 oh, old one, just saw the new one Oct 31 14:51:00 GeneralAntilles: Also, Ogg is not an acronym. Since you like to be so pedantic. Oct 31 14:52:09 hi Oct 31 14:52:29 i'm for kitten euthanasia Oct 31 14:52:49 GeneralAntilles: good form on wiki is drafting in own user namespace and then moving to main namespace? Oct 31 14:53:04 Stskeeps, eh, doesn't much matter. Oct 31 14:53:22 I started it in my userspace because I wasn't after a "stone soup" sort of deal Oct 31 14:53:24 k Oct 31 14:53:39 I had my own vision that I didn't want a bunch of crazies intruding on. ;) Oct 31 14:53:49 * Stskeeps is planning on starting the Maemo "Reconstructed" page and would love a bunch of crazies Oct 31 14:53:52 :P Oct 31 14:53:54 If you're after input and collaboration, then don't put it in your userspace. Oct 31 14:54:00 k Oct 31 14:54:25 (is Maemo "Reconstructed" against trademark policy? :P) Oct 31 14:56:15 More or less Oct 31 14:56:23 I wouldn't worry too much about it for a wiki task, though. Oct 31 14:56:35 k Oct 31 14:56:38 * r2d2rogers figured out the usbnetworking for deblet now Oct 31 14:56:45 alright, sounds good Oct 31 14:56:55 you telnet'ed in then? Oct 31 14:56:57 (or ssh) Oct 31 14:56:58 yessir Oct 31 14:57:04 telnet fist Oct 31 14:57:06 can switch Oct 31 14:57:13 nah, it's fine Oct 31 14:57:26 do you have connectivity from 770 to the net through usbnet? Oct 31 14:57:48 not yet Oct 31 14:58:32 is there any handy guide I can follow so you don't have to baby step me through that? Oct 31 14:58:34 GeneralAntilles: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Packaging_policy_proposed_changes Oct 31 14:58:49 GeneralAntilles: We might want to look at the proposed text. Oct 31 14:59:10 r2d2rogers: what OS do you link up with? Oct 31 14:59:27 GeneralAntilles: btw Help:Editing not existing on wiki is kinda annoying Oct 31 14:59:27 ubuntu Oct 31 14:59:28 :P Oct 31 14:59:30 r2d2rogers: sec Oct 31 14:59:32 k Oct 31 14:59:44 Stskeeps, yeah, it died a few weeks after the wiki was created. :\ Oct 31 15:00:03 It should probably just link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet Oct 31 15:00:08 ~wiki-cheat is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet Oct 31 15:00:09 GeneralAntilles: okay Oct 31 15:00:59 r2d2rogers: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian scroll down to "auto usb0" Oct 31 15:01:29 got it Oct 31 15:01:34 auto in ifup/down is only useful at start time Oct 31 15:01:51 for automatiglicy connection you need ifplugd Oct 31 15:02:12 X-Fade, we should probably run through the whole policy for any issues if we're going to be pushing an update anyway. Oct 31 15:02:40 GeneralAntilles: Or do it in small steps, so one thing doesn't block the other. Oct 31 15:03:58 if I ifup manually is should work though right? Oct 31 15:04:03 Call the deadline next Friday to hopefully have the new policy out the door and a PSA for packagers? Oct 31 15:04:20 r2d2rogers yes Oct 31 15:05:04 and when the wlan driver is really stable enough we can use guessnet and wpa supplicant with all the goodies Oct 31 15:06:07 you're talking about stlc45xx or? :P Oct 31 15:06:07 will be nice Oct 31 15:06:19 k I can telnet in but still can't get out. Oct 31 15:06:31 do I need a default gateway on the tablet side? Oct 31 15:06:36 r2d2rogers: route default add gw 192.168.2.1 probably Oct 31 15:06:42 er Oct 31 15:06:50 route add default gw 192.168.2.1 Oct 31 15:06:57 and then nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf Oct 31 15:07:11 tada Oct 31 15:07:14 yup Oct 31 15:07:17 name server next Oct 31 15:07:40 r2d2rogers depends Oct 31 15:07:48 if you do not want the internet Oct 31 15:07:56 then you do not need a default route Oct 31 15:08:09 at this point I do Oct 31 15:08:28 hm rememinds me to lookup Oct 31 15:08:43 if the nokias have the debian resolvconf package Oct 31 15:08:54 then you can add the dns in interfaces too Oct 31 15:09:58 woglinde: he's trying out deblet on 770 :P Oct 31 15:10:07 it is a debian :P Oct 31 15:10:15 .. deriative, before someone smacks me Oct 31 15:12:25 can't open file for writing when trying to write /etc/resolv.conf Oct 31 15:13:04 /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /mnt/initfs type jffs2 (ro) Oct 31 15:13:15 ^^^ that is the only thing mounted ro Oct 31 15:13:19 r2d2rogers hm Oct 31 15:13:56 rootfs on / type rootfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro) Oct 31 15:14:00 r2d2rogers: arh. yeah Oct 31 15:14:08 where can I check to see if there were errors? Oct 31 15:14:19 r2d2rogers: do you have fanoush's sdhc kernel? Oct 31 15:14:26 yup Oct 31 15:14:40 check dmesg for me and see if there's anything there Oct 31 15:14:40 48mhz one, bad? Oct 31 15:14:44 k Oct 31 15:16:54 Stskeeps: not seeing anything standing out Oct 31 15:17:06 can pastebin it if you like Oct 31 15:19:00 Bad eraseblock 0 at 0x00000000 Oct 31 15:19:03 ??? Oct 31 15:19:36 that's the NAND though...isn't that the internal flash? Oct 31 15:19:58 GeneralAntilles: feel free to close 2218 if you feel it's sorted, I've not tested it Oct 31 15:21:07 Stskeeps: looks like it mounted the ext3 correct with no errors Oct 31 15:23:29 r2d2rogers: edit /etc/fstab and set remove errors=remount-ro. another person who got it on his mmc fixed it by the sdhc kernel installing Oct 31 15:23:34 as it switched to read only for him too Oct 31 15:23:40 possibly try lower mhz? Oct 31 15:23:59 k Oct 31 15:24:07 will try remount first and go to that Oct 31 15:24:17 k Oct 31 15:24:21 mount -o remount,rw / Oct 31 15:24:46 that worked... Oct 31 15:24:58 touch test.txt made the file Oct 31 15:25:06 doing resolv.conf now Oct 31 15:25:51 working Oct 31 15:25:59 apt-get update running Oct 31 15:27:08 I know I was getting the :omapCardInit: couldn't open dispc gfx plane error last night Oct 31 15:28:07 yeah, but that's because apt-get install nit-env-x won't work Oct 31 15:28:14 nit-env-lxde will straight away Oct 31 15:28:19 it's a weirdass kernel thing Oct 31 15:29:10 k so install the nit-env-lxde or check that it's installed? Oct 31 15:30:31 is installed already.. Oct 31 15:30:46 brb Oct 31 15:33:52 doh... my networking on my workstation is messed up now Oct 31 15:35:41 /join #dojo Oct 31 15:35:45 whupsii Oct 31 15:36:20 Stskeeps: ok I'm sorted out, what should I do to figure out why the normal deblet boot stops at the end and sits on the progress screen? Oct 31 15:37:39 ls -l /etc/init.d/x* Oct 31 15:38:04 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1457 Sep 11 13:58 /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare Oct 31 15:38:04 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1777 Mar 23 2008 /etc/init.d/x11-common Oct 31 15:38:08 mmk Oct 31 15:38:10 sec Oct 31 15:38:14 thanks Oct 31 15:42:48 Any sign of Tim about? Oct 31 15:42:57 dneary, hardly ever on IRC Oct 31 15:43:01 I need to pester him about that. Oct 31 15:43:08 He's pretty responsive to emails, though. Oct 31 15:44:16 Stskeeps, you raise an interesting point about the initfs Oct 31 15:44:33 If it's going away for Fremantle, what are our options as far as a "recovery" mode? Oct 31 15:45:28 GeneralAntilles: nada Oct 31 15:45:33 reboot loop=reflash Oct 31 15:45:33 :P Oct 31 15:45:49 What about multiboot? Oct 31 15:45:53 GeneralAntilles: There's no need to force someone to come onto IRC :) Oct 31 15:45:57 Jaffa: Ping? Oct 31 15:46:02 GeneralAntilles: depends on bootloader i guess Oct 31 15:46:18 dneary, there is when they're council members. ;) Oct 31 15:46:26 GeneralAntilles: you following my reconstructed updates? :P Oct 31 15:46:28 GeneralAntilles: I don't think so Oct 31 15:46:47 * GeneralAntilles does. Oct 31 15:46:49 and I'm chair Oct 31 15:46:52 soooooo. . . . :P Oct 31 15:46:53 One of the things that was said during the election campaign was "I'm a maverick. She's a maverick." Oct 31 15:47:01 (ooh - wrong election) Oct 31 15:47:35 One of the things that was said during the campaign was that no-one has time to follow everything - that's why there are 5 council members Oct 31 15:48:43 GeneralAntilles: You wouldn't expect all the council members to be active on every thread on itT would you? Oct 31 15:50:24 Certainly not, and I don't expect anybody to be here 24/7 Oct 31 15:50:34 Just popping in every once and a while is good, though. Oct 31 15:51:25 does that mean I can skip the meetings then> Oct 31 15:51:26 ? Oct 31 15:51:31 No. Oct 31 15:52:03 I volunteer myself to be checking the fora and email lists while the meetings are on, for the good of the team, etc. Oct 31 15:52:12 ;) Oct 31 15:54:04 :) Oct 31 15:54:46 lardman: i volunteer to be beer taster for the after-meeting booze-up during the meeting - just to be safe Oct 31 15:55:51 yeah, I reckon I can handle that, as long as I can miss some more (already negative) blog postings to take the pressure off me Oct 31 15:56:37 gotta run, need to see optician, sure there's a joke in there somewhere Oct 31 15:56:39 bbl Oct 31 16:06:35 qwerty12, GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , - Initfs comments and general structure? Oct 31 16:10:09 (just changed some structure :P) Oct 31 16:17:51 * Stskeeps pokes qwerty12 with a stick Oct 31 16:18:01 oi :P Oct 31 16:18:23 any comments on my initfs vision? :P Oct 31 16:18:24 You've summed up everything that I could want out of the initfs and then some :) Oct 31 16:18:29 hehe, good Oct 31 16:18:37 you've hacked in it more than i have :P Oct 31 16:18:52 Nah, I go for cosmetic hacks :) Oct 31 16:19:19 Except for mtd-tools (fanoush did this before me) & g_serial, I haven't added much functionality wise :) Oct 31 16:20:06 * Stskeeps ponders putting ubuntumin for a spin. Oct 31 16:20:23 * qwerty12 times how long it takes for network manager in intrepid to fuck up my wlan0 Oct 31 16:20:30 * Mousey thinks . o O ( ubuntumin? ) Oct 31 16:20:53 Mousey: i debootstrapped a ubuntu mojo minbase for tablet and pondering to make it boot and see how it is Oct 31 16:21:12 ah Oct 31 16:21:22 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/ubuntumin.txt in 69m jffs2 flash Oct 31 16:21:33 (my maemo is 330m uncompressed atm) Oct 31 16:21:36 * Mousey dilligently clicks Oct 31 16:22:01 and that one is 130m or so with no attempt to make it smaller/strip down) Oct 31 16:22:04 yah, i don't see an X server Oct 31 16:22:26 yeah, yet :P Oct 31 16:23:27 i like all these other shoehorn versions of distros, what i wish for is a DE who's UI is finger-friendly Oct 31 16:24:08 dneary: not got time to draft a proper email. Your plan about design sounds fine (although I'm in a grumpy design mood after lots of design meetings this week at work) Oct 31 16:26:22 Stskeeps: got a minute? Oct 31 16:26:43 Jaffa: Cool, thanks for your support Oct 31 16:26:57 "a proper email" would be "yeah, sure, I'm up for that" Oct 31 16:27:11 r2d2rogers: mm? Oct 31 16:27:59 Stskeeps: didn't want to interupt while you were working on the wiki page, but you seemed to recognize my situation earlier... Oct 31 16:28:19 oh, my apologies, friday afternoon, easily distracted :P Oct 31 16:28:53 no worries, I like the direction I see maemo heading since the cumminity coucil was formed Oct 31 16:29:00 community... Oct 31 16:29:25 r2d2rogers: trying to move maemo in the right direction in terms of system arch :P Oct 31 16:29:35 yessir Oct 31 16:29:54 r2d2rogers: try enable console mode and see why it won't boot lxde Oct 31 16:29:57 (disabling splash screen) Oct 31 16:30:05 last we looked, I had two item matching your last question: Oct 31 16:30:10 root@-:/root# ls -l /etc/init.d/x* Oct 31 16:30:10 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1457 Sep 11 13:58 /etc/init.d/x-server-prepare Oct 31 16:30:11 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1777 Mar 23 2008 /etc/init.d/x11-common Oct 31 16:30:40 yeah, that's a good sign Oct 31 16:30:45 nit-env-lxde -was- installed? Oct 31 16:30:50 yup Oct 31 16:31:03 ls -l /etc/rc2.d/x* Oct 31 16:32:03 but basically, enable usbnet in console, process enter or center a couple of times and it continues booting Oct 31 16:32:32 nothing matched that pattern Oct 31 16:32:44 all in rc2.d start with S Oct 31 16:32:59 k Oct 31 16:33:01 ah Oct 31 16:33:13 anything with x in there? :P Oct 31 16:33:35 x-server-prepare Oct 31 16:33:38 k Oct 31 16:33:41 S21x-server-prepare -> ../init.d/x-server-prepare Oct 31 16:33:49 continue booting or something and see what console says Oct 31 16:34:18 continue booting how? . Oct 31 16:34:26 press center button on 770 or something Oct 31 16:34:26 :P Oct 31 16:34:32 a couple of times Oct 31 16:34:34 like console says Oct 31 16:34:48 Ah I'm in the fail save menu I thinlk Oct 31 16:34:55 hmm :P Oct 31 16:34:57 gotta pop the battery there right? Oct 31 16:35:12 you still connected through usb and it doesnt switch to console? Oct 31 16:35:26 held down "home" button during deblet boot Oct 31 16:35:34 k, and selected usb and ok? Oct 31 16:35:38 yup Oct 31 16:35:51 and got the usb networking up and am telnetted in Oct 31 16:36:09 hmm, should switch to framebuffer console as well the Oct 31 16:36:09 n Oct 31 16:36:18 k Oct 31 16:36:20 will do that now Oct 31 16:40:31 re Oct 31 16:40:38 re Oct 31 16:43:30 Stskeeps: regular deblet boot gives me the splash screen with a stopped progress bar a fraction from the end Oct 31 16:43:41 yeah, - are you able to get console mode working? :P Oct 31 16:43:59 if I enable host mode... Oct 31 16:44:04 I have a usb keyboard Oct 31 16:44:05 (from rescue) Oct 31 16:44:11 bk Oct 31 16:45:03 "activate console on frame buffer?" Oct 31 16:45:27 yeah Oct 31 16:45:35 it should tell you why things wont boot :P Oct 31 16:45:41 Stskeeps, penguinbait got gparted working :P Oct 31 16:45:49 qwerty12: .. how? Oct 31 16:45:49 Someone have a solution to install "build-essential" on maemo diablo ? (to compile with Qt) Oct 31 16:45:52 gets me to a login prompt Oct 31 16:45:58 r2d2rogers: no errors? Oct 31 16:46:06 non I can see Oct 31 16:46:21 Stskeeps, I guess changing the LD_PRELOAD_PATH. He says he uses a newer gtk & glib Oct 31 16:46:25 ah. Oct 31 16:46:35 no, it's simpler, ld_library_path to gtkmm Oct 31 16:47:55 r2d2rogers: battery pop and then telnetd in i guess :P Oct 31 16:48:49 ~curse intrepid for not reading my sysctl.conf at boottime Oct 31 16:48:51 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, intrepid for not reading my sysctl.conf at boottime ! Oct 31 16:48:52 vincenzo88??? Oct 31 16:49:06 vincenzo88 put extras-devel into your sources.list Oct 31 16:49:08 and install qt Oct 31 16:49:12 Yes Oct 31 16:49:13 no need to build your self Oct 31 16:49:14 r2d2rogers: and /etc/init.d/gdm start Oct 31 16:49:17 i can qmake but no make Oct 31 16:49:23 "make not found" Oct 31 16:49:37 install scratchbox Oct 31 16:49:45 its no fun to compile on the nokia Oct 31 16:50:08 Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing. Oct 31 16:50:22 ah Oct 31 16:50:26 was that supposed to be removed ? Oct 31 16:50:31 Yes but not work i have an error on qemu Oct 31 16:50:31 :s Oct 31 16:50:49 the soultion is mentioned in the readme Oct 31 16:50:54 vincenzo88, installing build-essential on the device requires adding the SDK repo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 Oct 31 16:51:07 Thanks Oct 31 16:51:58 vincenzo put export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-cvs-m into sratchbox .bashrc Oct 31 16:52:00 r2d2rogers: rm /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d, mv /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d.REAL /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d Oct 31 16:52:06 and do the same for /sbin/start-stop-daemon Oct 31 16:52:26 thanks woglinde, i will try this Oct 31 16:52:46 vincenzo dont be afraid of the segfaults Oct 31 16:52:52 it works anyway Oct 31 16:54:20 r2d2rogers: just added to instructions :P that's a pretty major step Oct 31 16:54:31 yeah I was wondering about that Oct 31 16:54:33 Oct 31 16:54:51 but I slept after that part Oct 31 16:55:00 now reboot yes? Oct 31 16:55:03 aye Oct 31 16:55:52 did you also change that typo from bin to sbin? Oct 31 16:56:10 yeah Oct 31 16:56:21 it was about start-stop-daemon i guess Oct 31 16:56:30 crap I missed the boot to deblet.... Oct 31 16:58:14 \o/ Oct 31 16:58:22 success? Oct 31 16:58:36 I see a mouse cursor and it responds to touch screen... Oct 31 16:58:40 first step Oct 31 16:58:41 :P Oct 31 16:58:49 yup loaded Oct 31 16:58:54 thannk you very much! Oct 31 16:58:56 how is responsiveness? Oct 31 16:59:18 really good Oct 31 16:59:23 k Oct 31 16:59:31 better than maemo with the web browser loaded... Oct 31 16:59:37 but i haven't loaded anytyhing yet .... Oct 31 16:59:40 Error Oct 31 16:59:51 Unable to establish connection with FAM Oct 31 16:59:58 that's usual Oct 31 17:00:08 happens to me for some strange reason too Oct 31 17:00:11 kk Oct 31 17:00:12 coiol Oct 31 17:00:18 it's kinda ambivalent regarding wanting fam or not. Oct 31 17:00:57 do me a favour and note your success in http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23547&page=5 and if you had to do something else than the sbin thing and the removal thing Oct 31 17:01:06 feel free to say if my instructions are bad or not Oct 31 17:01:19 current issues: WLAN driver needs a recompile, should be possible if you know a bit of scratchbox.. Oct 31 17:01:22 :P Oct 31 17:01:33 I guess I'll learn Oct 31 17:01:49 Stskeeps, s/fam/gamin :P Oct 31 17:02:03 eh? Oct 31 17:02:09 exposing my ignorance again, but what are they? Oct 31 17:02:28 r2d2rogers: what is what? :P Oct 31 17:02:38 Stskeeps, gamin implements fam. gamin is newer either way Oct 31 17:02:40 i updated 770Port instructions Oct 31 17:02:41 qwerty12: ah. Oct 31 17:02:47 qwerty12: so something conflicts it Oct 31 17:02:58 FAM and Gamin? Oct 31 17:03:22 fam the stupid daemon from sgi? Oct 31 17:03:28 yep Oct 31 17:03:31 ~wikipedia gamin Oct 31 17:03:35 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamin (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{distinguish|Gamine}} 'Gamin', a monitoring system for files and directories, independently implements a subset of FAM, the File Alteration Monitor. Running as a service, it allows for the detection of modifications to a file or directory. 'gam_server' functions as a daemon for Gamin. The word "gamin" in French (where it also has a female form "gamine") refers to a boy, Oct 31 17:03:49 no Oct 31 17:03:54 no one needs this Oct 31 17:04:05 only crap that suck cpu cycles Oct 31 17:04:17 * r2d2rogers would agree Oct 31 17:04:28 true, true, but some programs want it :( and in that case, I would say to use gamin instead Oct 31 17:04:51 qwerty which program? Oct 31 17:05:38 woglinde, only one that comes off the top of my head is pcmanfm Oct 31 17:05:56 hm this reminds writing a wiki articel about programms that require ssh and clashes within scratchbox Oct 31 17:07:06 woglinde: i'm doing a "Maemo "Reconstructed"" wiki page.. when it's done i would love Scratchbox horrorstories too :P Oct 31 17:08:00 stskeeps nope just fake it with a dummy deb build with equiv Oct 31 17:08:20 qwerty whats pcmanfm Oct 31 17:08:22 doing? Oct 31 17:09:05 woglinde, monitoring a folder for changes? :P Oct 31 17:09:09 what qwerty12 said Oct 31 17:09:09 :P Oct 31 17:09:26 aeh Oct 31 17:09:32 thats fam is doing Oct 31 17:09:41 why need a wrapper program for it Oct 31 17:09:48 this sounds stupid Oct 31 17:10:28 pcmanfm probably uses fam to do the hard work for it :P Oct 31 17:10:50 so pcmanfm is polling fam which is polling fs Oct 31 17:10:52 muahaha Oct 31 17:13:17 Stskeeps: posted Oct 31 17:14:12 r2d2rogers: ta Oct 31 17:16:16 anyone had luck in getting a bluetooth keyboard working? Oct 31 17:17:36 fool with bluez-utils i guess Oct 31 17:17:54 * Stskeeps wonders if he'll get intensely unpopular by some of the visions in this wiki. Oct 31 17:18:18 thanks again for your help Stskeeps Oct 31 17:18:29 Stskeeps, no. . . . Oct 31 17:19:07 Stskeeps, I can't imagine why you'd think these opinions would be unpopular Oct 31 17:21:23 GeneralAntilles: i'm slamming the SDK a bit atm :P Oct 31 17:21:45 Stskeeps, does _anybody_ like that thing? Oct 31 17:21:49 that's true. Oct 31 17:22:55 Well, I suppose you could get a zeenix-reaction out of a Nokian, maybe, but I doubt it. Oct 31 17:22:59 and who cares? :P Oct 31 17:32:18 GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Maemo_SDK Oct 31 17:39:16 Stskeeps, makes sense to me. Oct 31 17:39:22 k Oct 31 17:41:10 trying to make reasonable statements about this so Oct 31 17:41:16 still got a long way to go :P Oct 31 17:50:26 Goofle Phone comes with two vibrators. Oct 31 17:50:31 And moo to all of you too Oct 31 17:50:56 two? for extra pleasure? Oct 31 17:51:37 who knows, but it has got on in display and one in kbd module Oct 31 17:51:46 s/on/one Oct 31 17:51:50 heh Oct 31 17:59:21 I have chinook right now, and it's installed on my internal SD card. I want to upgrade to diablo, and do the same thing. That package that does it (and partitions your SD card for you), is there a diablo version? Oct 31 17:59:29 I don't remember who made the one I have Oct 31 18:02:41 i followed a howto. there's a package that auto-installs your OS to SD? Oct 31 18:05:27 pupnik: There was for chinook Oct 31 18:05:37 I was doing a howto but found that the package made it cake to do Oct 31 18:05:56 It partitioned your SD into 25%/75%, copied internal memory to external, and modded the bootloader Oct 31 18:06:04 Somebody that hangs in this channel wrote it Oct 31 18:06:33 When you boot into the internal memory install you hear linux torvalds talk Oct 31 18:06:44 linus* Oct 31 18:07:27 pupnik: there? Oct 31 18:07:28 what does linus say to you? Oct 31 18:07:38 * lcuk prepares the straight jacket Oct 31 18:07:43 tells him to fuck off, in finnish Oct 31 18:07:46 lcuk: Heh Oct 31 18:07:55 then makes obscene penguin sounds! Oct 31 18:08:00 I think it's that soundbyte where he pronounces linux Oct 31 18:08:16 Re ! Oct 31 18:08:47 so, have i got this right, you hear linus talking, have you confirmed others can hear the same thing? Oct 31 18:10:11 Oct 31 18:10:11 I think I forgot to turn off my N810 and it is in its case for the weekend. Do you think the N810 can burn? Oct 31 18:10:12 :'( Oct 31 18:10:37 dmsuperman, well i keep my in a wooden crate - i left it charging all day with a book over the top of it and it survived Oct 31 18:10:43 was too hot to hold though Oct 31 18:12:39 cruel lcuk Oct 31 18:12:58 hi RST38h Oct 31 18:13:05 et al Oct 31 18:14:57 * pupnik is listening to some dank dubstep... http://dubstep.fm (192kb/s) Oct 31 18:15:45 pupnik: fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/ and get EMULib from there Oct 31 18:15:55 RST38h, have YOU ever heard linus speaking from your tablet? Oct 31 18:16:35 good deal, thanks RST38h Oct 31 18:18:07 Hrm, I love irc logs Oct 31 18:18:09 lcuk: No. Should I? What substance am I supposed to abuse for that? Oct 31 18:18:12 penguinbait made the package I used before Oct 31 18:18:21 When you boot into the internal memory install you hear linux torvalds talk Oct 31 18:18:36 dmsuperman, excellent Oct 31 18:18:38 heard about that a few times Oct 31 18:18:50 did he make it specifically for you due to problems, or was this a generic package? Oct 31 18:19:25 lcuk: It was a generic package Oct 31 18:19:30 lcuk: To automate the entire process Oct 31 18:19:37 with questions? Oct 31 18:19:42 http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=151 Oct 31 18:20:44 cool Oct 31 18:20:54 Only I'm not sure if that's the chinook one or diablo Oct 31 18:21:47 Because IIRC diablo introduces a new bootloader or something so you don't have to reflash to upgrade Oct 31 18:21:48 hmm Oct 31 18:21:59 So I'm not sure if the old one would work with diablo Oct 31 18:22:35 yeah dmsuperman i wouldnt like to take the chance Oct 31 18:23:00 but penguinbait comes in often so you can ask him Oct 31 18:23:06 and hes around itT a lot Oct 31 18:23:30 "...Because as far as I can tell, everyone is going as Sarah Palin tonight. Male, female, young, old, gay, straight, human, animal, it doesnt matter. If you dont want to see thousands of fake (or should I say faker) Sarah Palins roaming the streets, lock your doors and keep the curtains closed." Oct 31 18:23:51 Hmmm Oct 31 18:23:51 http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=175&lang=en-us Oct 31 18:24:06 Assuming that's October this year I'd assume diablo Oct 31 18:24:18 And I'm pretty sure it is because he didn't have the advanced one when I installed in may Oct 31 18:24:32 I'll take a chance and let you guys know how it goes Oct 31 18:25:03 its on the frontpage of his blog, so year its this year Oct 31 18:26:38 Do I have to attach my n800 to my PC to install diablo? Oct 31 18:26:42 Diablo has nothing to do with bootloaders. Oct 31 18:26:53 ~boot-sd Oct 31 18:26:54 boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Oct 31 18:30:32 Can I install without attaching to my PC? Oct 31 18:34:10 hrm, is the encoding in the terminal newly screwed up or am I imagining things Oct 31 18:36:52 ~flashing Oct 31 18:36:54 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 31 18:37:32 str: open terminal, imput accented (outside ascii) characters, hit backspace several times Oct 31 18:37:53 expected: stop at original position Oct 31 18:38:03 result: backspace goes over prompt Oct 31 18:38:46 also, if I start a screen after ssh'ing somewheres, my other devices terminals tend to disagree about the encoding in that screen session Oct 31 18:46:25 so it looks like it's being utf-8 and claiming that it's not, which confuses things Oct 31 18:46:27 or something. Oct 31 18:50:19 what setting do you see if you say 'locale' in terminal? Oct 31 18:51:08 (just one value will do, provided they'll be the same save for a blank LC_ALL) Oct 31 18:52:35 I'm flashing from linux, is this a normal message to recieve at the end of the install? Sending request 0x83 failed: Cannot send after transport endpoint shutdown Oct 31 18:54:46 I have neverflashing on linux but on windows all is automatic ;) Oct 31 18:55:06 Uhm, that doesn't really answer my question Oct 31 18:55:47 I don't know, i developp on N810 for 1 week :( Oct 31 18:55:53 do you get that message every time? Oct 31 18:56:00 * sp3000 doesn't recall if he's seen it or not Oct 31 18:56:37 sp3000: I only just did it Oct 31 18:56:42 sp3000: And it booted fine after that Oct 31 18:56:51 sp3000: I've never flashed from linux before Oct 31 18:57:44 Ehehe, lcuk, remember that horseshoe crab? Oct 31 19:01:17 * sp3000 flashes chinook Oct 31 19:01:27 sp3000 why? Oct 31 19:01:44 sssh I'm hunting wegwessions Oct 31 19:03:25 Is there a reason that while entering passwords the characters are showed and then turned into asterisks? Oct 31 19:03:45 Same reason passwords are masked on desktops? . . . Oct 31 19:04:27 dmsuperman soyou can sea if you are typed the right one Oct 31 19:04:31 to avoid typos I suppose, and hoping the someone watching over your shoulder isn't quite attentive enough to make out the password from those flashes Oct 31 19:04:34 GeneralAntilles: No, I mean for a half-second it shows the character and _then_ turns into an asterisk Oct 31 19:04:53 So you know what you actually entered. Oct 31 19:05:03 Since virtual text entry isn't quite as reliable as a real keyboard. Oct 31 19:05:11 Ah, I see Oct 31 19:05:11 can I set osso-xterm font size from commandline? -fs didn't seem to work Oct 31 19:06:13 hm, no, same issue on chinook Oct 31 19:06:27 sp3000 I cant remeber the chars this fast Oct 31 19:06:45 * sp3000 wonders who to blame Oct 31 19:08:24 Am I right to assume apt-get Oct 31 19:08:42 apt-get -f install merely tries to reinstall the last packages, also installing dependencies? Oct 31 19:09:05 Or just the dependencies for the last package? Oct 31 19:09:19 apt-get -f -install should really be apt-get trytofixthisbrokenstate Oct 31 19:09:43 So it does more then? Oct 31 19:09:54 In ubuntu apt-get install automatically does dependencies, but I see that's not the case in maemo Oct 31 19:10:04 Um Oct 31 19:10:05 it does the same thing Oct 31 19:10:09 apt-get pulls in dependencies Oct 31 19:10:22 apt-get is the same as on ubuntu and debian Oct 31 19:10:26 mikkov_, font size setting is in gconf so gconftool should do it (i cant remember key, sorry) Oct 31 19:10:28 and it pulls the depends Oct 31 19:10:33 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Oct 31 19:10:43 dmsuperman then the package is broken Oct 31 19:10:45 That's what it said when I tried to apt-get install wget Oct 31 19:10:49 you cant blame apt-get for it Oct 31 19:10:55 woglinde: This happens with anything that has deps Oct 31 19:11:09 woglinde: I do apt-get -f install, it installs the deps, then I can install the package normally Oct 31 19:11:13 then your sources.list is wrong some how Oct 31 19:11:22 did you apt-get update? Oct 31 19:11:25 woglinde: I literally just installed diablo Oct 31 19:11:34 woglinde: Yes Oct 31 19:11:40 ah you have to enable extra Oct 31 19:11:43 woglinde: This happened on both my previous chinook installs too Oct 31 19:11:48 its disabled per default Oct 31 19:11:50 woglinde: Extra is enabled also Oct 31 19:11:53 hm Oct 31 19:11:56 strange Oct 31 19:12:11 maybe enable extras-devel too? Oct 31 19:12:22 I enabled all the Oct 31 19:12:28 repos that were installed by default Oct 31 19:12:45 dmsuperman: the package state is slightly inconsistent in the flash image unfortunately Oct 31 19:12:56 hm Oct 31 19:12:59 which is why apt complains when you try to do anything Oct 31 19:13:08 until you apt-get -f install Oct 31 19:13:21 sp3000: What do you mean? Oct 31 19:13:30 dmsuperman you could try the normal paketmanager and start update theire Oct 31 19:13:39 woglinde: You mean the gui one? Oct 31 19:13:50 the latest flashimage does not have the latest diablo Oct 31 19:14:02 woglinde: That's where I started. I enabled the repo, updated the list, and installed openssh Oct 31 19:14:11 woglinde: Now I'm SSH'ed in, and I try to install and get the deps issue Oct 31 19:14:58 dmsuperman try dist-upgrade via the gui ui first Oct 31 19:15:13 woglinde: dist-upgrade? I just downloaded the latest version Oct 31 19:15:16 dmsuperman how could ssh in? ssh server is not installed per default Oct 31 19:15:23 dmsuperman: I don't recall the exact details, they're findable on list and forums Oct 31 19:15:41 woglinde: "15:11 < dmsuperman> woglinde: That's where I started. I enabled the repo, updated the list, and installed openssh" Oct 31 19:15:49 woglinde: I installed openssh from the app manager Oct 31 19:15:57 ah Oct 31 19:15:59 okay Oct 31 19:16:04 kernel-diablo-flasher initfs-flasher and flash-and-reboot aren't included with the 23-14 FIASCO image Oct 31 19:16:13 and it didnt shpw you any updates? Oct 31 19:16:21 But apt-get -f install or upgrading via SSU in Application Manager will install them. Oct 31 19:16:32 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, that's what happened Oct 31 19:16:43 I thought nano was included by default. What's the package called that installs it? Oct 31 19:16:53 dmsuperman: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2008-June/021586.html for details Oct 31 19:16:58 mikkov_, gconftool --set --type=int /ap rm/font_size Oct 31 19:17:15 sorry, gconftool --set --type=int /apps/osso/xterm/font_size 1 Oct 31 19:17:26 sp3000: Ah, thanks Oct 31 19:22:36 What package contains nano? Oct 31 19:22:57 nano-tiny Oct 31 19:22:58 nano - free Pico clone with some new features Oct 31 19:23:16 dmsuperman, you get vi by default :p. nano is in nano Oct 31 19:23:52 apt-get install nano Oct 31 19:24:01 E: Couldn't find package nano Oct 31 19:24:44 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/n/nano/nano_2.0.2-1osso6_armel.deb Oct 31 19:25:14 it's in the tools repo Oct 31 19:25:34 http://maemo.org/development/tools/#apt-example Oct 31 19:26:00 See, like here Oct 31 19:26:06 I went to install that package Oct 31 19:26:14 use dpkg Oct 31 19:26:35 And it said: http://pastebin.com/d27d3766d Oct 31 19:26:50 yeah, because you don't have the repository it comes from enabled Oct 31 19:27:01 anyone running deblet? Is there anyway to speed it up, seems to run fairly slow (compared to maemo) when on the sd card Oct 31 19:27:02 so it's no surprise that deps are missing Oct 31 19:28:01 i have it from the sdk repo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 Oct 31 19:28:14 yeah, but you don't want the sdk repo on your device Oct 31 19:28:28 * qwerty12_N800 keeps it with no problems Oct 31 19:28:37 cyrus__: various.. http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/glibc-optimized/ (don't take the nscd), http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/gtk/ but may break things.. it's a experimental system but i did think it's not -that- bad compared to what it pulls off :) Oct 31 19:28:39 dist-upgrade and BOOM Oct 31 19:28:41 qwerty12 your are power user Oct 31 19:28:51 dmsuperman seems not Oct 31 19:29:00 cyrus__: or activate performance mode in cpufreq governor Oct 31 19:30:01 woglinde: What seems not? Oct 31 19:30:04 Stskeeps: where's the best general resource for deblet options? any wiki or webpage?? Oct 31 19:30:21 r2d2rogers: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet and internet tablet talk alternatives -> debian forum Oct 31 19:30:24 really Oct 31 19:30:32 770 port is in it's infancy, just so you're warned :P Oct 31 19:30:37 cool, trying to get bluetooth working Oct 31 19:30:52 yeah I'm used to being on the afterthought hardware anymore ;) Oct 31 19:30:55 dmsuperman power user Oct 31 19:31:09 r2d2rogers: you might have to copy in some firmware, look at dmesg always if it doesnt load :P Oct 31 19:31:14 and then bluez-utils Oct 31 19:31:18 it's a debian, so it acts like a debian would Oct 31 19:31:42 good to me Oct 31 19:31:52 * r2d2rogers went from debian to ubuntu Oct 31 19:32:01 mm Oct 31 19:32:10 i'm trying to boot a minimal ubuntu image on my n800 Oct 31 19:32:18 think i might suceed Oct 31 19:32:35 I might have some testers for you from my LoCo group Oct 31 19:32:41 loco? Oct 31 19:32:55 Local Community Team for Ubuntu Oct 31 19:32:57 ah Oct 31 19:33:03 Louisiana in this case Oct 31 19:33:13 it's not really difficult to get ubuntu going, - had it long time ago but the port isn't complete Oct 31 19:33:27 but i'm trying to make a setup where we squeeze it into 256mb flash Oct 31 19:33:33 sp3000: I enabled the repository and it still makes me use -f install to fix deps Oct 31 19:33:34 and see if we can base a maemo on that Oct 31 19:33:34 .P Oct 31 19:33:50 ::nods:: I think deblet appealed so I could get my brain going into hacking again... Oct 31 19:33:57 36-5 fiasco image is up on tablets-dev. Oct 31 19:34:08 read less ebooks and do more useful stuff Oct 31 19:34:20 dmsuperman: did apt-get -f install actually work? Oct 31 19:34:25 dmsuperman: also, full output Oct 31 19:34:27 Stskeeps - what is performane mode Oct 31 19:34:43 but thinking of that... how hard to get a maemo dual boot install on another MMC to boot from the boot menu? Oct 31 19:35:10 cyrus__: keeps processor at max freq, dunno if that has any positive impact really Oct 31 19:35:14 r2d2rogers: easy Oct 31 19:35:24 r2d2rogers: add a .item in /etc/bootmenu.d Oct 31 19:35:29 (don't have _LINUXRC line( Oct 31 19:35:39 dmsuperman: the dpkg -i earlier may have left things slightly confused for example Oct 31 19:35:44 and refresh_bootmenu.d in maemo Oct 31 19:36:03 sp3000 - how do I set that and what is the disadvantage, battery run out quicker? Oct 31 19:36:06 * sp3000 doesn't recall what actions leave things halfway installed and what don't Oct 31 19:36:34 sp3000: sp3000 http://pastebin.com/d1ceba859 Oct 31 19:37:05 cyrus__: find /sys/ -name '*gov*'; and yeah, that comes to mind Oct 31 19:37:50 deblet isn't exactly the most power friendly animal on the planet :) Oct 31 19:37:56 echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Oct 31 19:38:23 dmsuperman: yeah, you can see there it says nano is installed, and later it says "Setting up nano" so nano was in a half-installed (unpacked but not configured) state from the previous attempt Oct 31 19:38:57 * Stskeeps attempts booting ubuntumin. Oct 31 19:38:57 without that halfway attempt it wouldn't have asked for -f install since it would have gotten the dep right away Oct 31 19:39:40 is there an easy way I can disable/enable the auto mounting in maemo of /media/mmc1 and mmc2 Oct 31 19:40:10 tried stopping ke-recv? Oct 31 19:40:15 (somewhere further in scrollback you'd find "dependency problems prevent configuration of nano" or something to that effect) Oct 31 19:40:36 have not tried anything, just thought I ask before I went looking :) Oct 31 19:40:55 heh, /etc/init.d/ke-recv stop Oct 31 19:41:08 try that and see if it works :) Oct 31 19:41:27 and what other events you lose :) Oct 31 19:41:36 it manages mounting when the covers are closed Oct 31 19:42:14 sp3000, probably internet call starting when the camera is popped open :) Oct 31 19:45:58 uh, that rebooted the system, ke-recv stop; gparted, disk scan > reboot Oct 31 19:46:05 thanks for playing though :) Oct 31 19:46:14 shit, heh Oct 31 19:46:29 penguinbait: take out auto in fstab? Oct 31 19:46:44 probably because dsmetool starts it Oct 31 19:46:52 it only has mmc1 in fstab yet mounts both mmc1 and 2 so its not in there Oct 31 19:47:19 * r2d2rogers steps down from the stage, "but it was fun to play!" Oct 31 19:48:59 echo /usr/sbin/*mount* may be of interest Oct 31 19:49:58 they're scripts called by ke-recv from what i can see Oct 31 19:51:37 whoops, I was booted to SD, thats why Oct 31 19:55:38 woo, Handhelds 8.04 Nokia-N800-23-14 tty1 Oct 31 19:56:12 I want intrepid on the device, not hardy! :p Oct 31 19:56:24 f*ckoff, build it then :P Oct 31 19:56:26 congrats :) Oct 31 19:56:28 :p Oct 31 19:56:38 (this is the minimal ubuntu image btw) Oct 31 20:07:33 qwerty12_N800, need octave many dependences? Oct 31 20:07:49 yerga, yes :/ Oct 31 20:08:26 yerga, http://packages.debian.org/etch/octave2.1 Oct 31 20:08:55 hm seems 15 Oct 31 20:08:59 it seems not very easy Oct 31 20:09:13 qwerty12_N800: interesting fact of the day. login prompt in 12 seconds, starting from pressing enter in boot menu. Oct 31 20:09:32 hm why the hacl octave needs libpcre3 Oct 31 20:09:53 man, I really don't want to mv mount mount-hold, any other ideas on how to stop automounting /media/mmc1 and 2? Oct 31 20:10:01 Stskeeps, haha, nice. forget those 5 second boot threads :p Oct 31 20:10:19 qwerty12_N800: and this is with consolefb which obviously slows a bit Oct 31 20:10:30 yeah Oct 31 20:11:14 that has to hold some value :P Oct 31 20:12:01 penguinbait, tried messing around with the gconf values in /system/osso/af? Oct 31 20:12:12 i'm kinda disturbed though that upstart seems to wipe out environment variables though Oct 31 20:13:06 trying now qwerty Oct 31 20:13:07 but i guess it's a sideeffect Oct 31 20:13:30 thought I had it with this :( hal-disable-polling --device /dev/mmcblk1 Oct 31 20:13:57 Stskeeps, sure it's not dash? it's pretty retarded to use as a boot shell in maemo Oct 31 20:14:09 qwerty12_N800: it's upstart, just read a post about it Oct 31 20:14:14 k Oct 31 20:14:18 it decides what things to pass on to the job Oct 31 20:14:23 which i guess is sane Oct 31 20:14:35 12 seconds.. that's kinda amazing though Oct 31 20:14:37 readahead Oct 31 20:14:52 and parallel driver init partly in .28 Oct 31 20:15:17 parrallel did nothing for deblet boot process really Oct 31 20:15:32 + upstart and 5 seconds are come closer Oct 31 20:23:16 hey, anyone knows if there is a way to get Wavemon on my n810? Oct 31 20:23:29 i cannot find any packages :S Oct 31 20:23:44 and it's a really cool soft to have on such a portable device Oct 31 20:26:10 * GeneralAntilles sighs http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238262&postcount=143 Oct 31 20:26:55 How long will it take to flash a OS2007 on a nokia n800 to latest diablo ? Oct 31 20:26:58 roughly ? Oct 31 20:27:07 zakkkkm: Took me about 10 minutes Oct 31 20:27:14 zakkkkm: not that long, 15 minutes max ? Oct 31 20:27:19 ok Oct 31 20:27:23 thank you Oct 31 20:27:26 Yup Oct 31 20:27:30 GeneralAntilles: idea isn't completely insane, but the use is low Oct 31 20:27:31 oh the n800 is slow Oct 31 20:27:48 and may not fit in tablets Oct 31 20:27:53 for certain bands, sure Oct 31 20:28:17 Stskeeps: I fail at booting my other mmc Oct 31 20:28:26 r2d2rogers: show me your .item Oct 31 20:28:36 (i might disappear, gf wants to see a movie with me) Oct 31 20:28:44 Stskeeps, no, the nonsense about me somehow banning him from maemo.rog Oct 31 20:28:57 GeneralAntilles: oh Oct 31 20:29:01 ITEM_NAME="OS2008HE" Oct 31 20:29:01 ITEM_ID="bluekeep" Oct 31 20:29:01 ITEM_DEVICE="mmcblk0p2" Oct 31 20:29:01 ITEM_MODULES="mbcache jbd ext3" Oct 31 20:29:01 ITEM_FSTYPE="ext3" Oct 31 20:29:02 didn't read that part :P Oct 31 20:29:09 i.e., fucking idiot whiner Oct 31 20:29:21 r2d2rogers: oh, it should be rw, not ro Oct 31 20:29:27 r2d2rogers: and pastebin :P Oct 31 20:29:33 ITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro"sorry Oct 31 20:29:45 thanks Oct 31 20:29:46 r2d2rogers: yup, write "rw" instead of rw Oct 31 20:29:47 ro Oct 31 20:29:53 have a good weekend Oct 31 20:30:10 qwerty12_N800: bootable Ubuntu minimal with console, 43.2mb flash Oct 31 20:30:29 nice :) Oct 31 20:37:58 no? nobody knows about wavemon? Oct 31 20:40:10 :( Oct 31 20:43:38 Someone know if the N8x0 have a protection without high temperature ? Oct 31 20:51:02 goodbye all, i will sleep! Oct 31 21:09:27 someone have compiled gnuplot 4.2.x in scratchbox? Oct 31 21:30:29 hello Oct 31 21:30:45 does anyone have an url for Google Hybrid maps? Oct 31 21:31:09 (to use in mapper) Oct 31 22:03:43 anyone? Oct 31 22:04:22 No. Oct 31 22:04:38 It uses a vector representation mapper doesn't support for the overlay. Oct 31 22:04:57 mhm... Oct 31 23:37:33 so whats up.. pulseaudio for maemo? ^_^ Oct 31 23:39:33 * pupnik want to strean audio from laptop/pc *to* tablet (attached to stereo) Oct 31 23:39:45 not finding the esd command Oct 31 23:40:47 pupnik, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19059 Oct 31 23:41:07 pupnik: other way around =) Oct 31 23:41:13 altho, that's not a bad idea either Oct 31 23:41:16 * Mousey clicks Oct 31 23:41:31 you rule qwerty12_N800 thanks Oct 31 23:41:40 heh, np :) Oct 31 23:42:19 maybe now i can play movies on my laptop (and/or beamer) and the 770 on stereo can play audio Oct 31 23:45:39 hmm not getting audio yet Oct 31 23:47:13 hmm, tried the other method that is on the maemopeople link? Oct 31 23:47:41 hm no it seems i have borked esd Oct 31 23:47:51 esd -tcp -public Oct 31 23:47:51 No SBOX detected Oct 31 23:47:51 /dev/dsptask/pcm1: No such file or directory Oct 31 23:48:02 :/ Oct 31 23:50:48 I get the sbox message but not the 2nd one Oct 31 23:51:01 i'll try adding -tcp -public to /etc/esd.conf Oct 31 23:53:46 ok esdcat is connecting Oct 31 23:53:47 tcp 0 0 192.168.0.33:45067 192.168.0.35:16001 ESTABLISHED 31220/esdcat Nov 01 00:26:42 woot - works Nov 01 00:26:44 :D Nov 01 00:35:42 streamtuner has no "stop playing" cmd... good grief Nov 01 00:36:23 it's called kill :P Nov 01 00:37:03 is fun, not quite working great Nov 01 00:39:47 made my evening, qwerty12_N800 Nov 01 00:39:48 has anyone installed skype yet on the n810 wimax edition? i get a "libhildonfm2 (= 1:2.0.2)" not found error Nov 01 00:40:01 :) Nov 01 00:40:12 watching cowboy bebop with good sound now Nov 01 01:24:18 is there a solution yet for the ""libhildonfm2 (= 1:2.0.2)" problem? i have a n810 wimax 0.2008.14-9 Nov 01 01:30:01 ryoohki: you have a wimax one? cool... where did you get it? Nov 01 01:48:34 no idea ryoohki Nov 01 02:11:03 lcuk: you there? Nov 01 02:17:25 is there any woman using the n800 ? Nov 01 02:57:32 Robot101: craigslist.org **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 01 02:59:57 2008