**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 05 02:59:57 2008
Nov 05 03:14:53 <LinuxCode> night
Nov 05 03:15:24 <cars__> night
Nov 05 04:05:06 <penguinbait> OBAMA IS NEXT US PRESIDENT!!! WOO HOOO!
Nov 05 04:06:03 <Proteous> I'll start celebrating if he actualy fixes anything
Nov 05 04:06:29 <Proteous> the USA needs a full reboot like I just did to fix my cable modem
Nov 05 04:07:22 <penguinbait> one step at a time, we still need to survive 2 more months of bush
Nov 05 04:07:30 <Proteous> heh, so true
Nov 05 04:17:37 <mariorz> is it normal for OS2008 to take up all the 770's memory? i have only openssh installed and 1kb of available memory
Nov 05 04:19:06 <mariorz> ah songs and images free up spme space
Nov 05 04:43:56 <l7> can the 770 boot from SD?
Nov 05 04:44:02 <l7> or mmc
Nov 05 05:13:04 <errordeveloper> hi chaps
Nov 05 05:14:22 <dmsuperman> Does the file manager in diablo support reading from samba shares in any way?
Nov 05 05:15:28 <dmsuperman> I'm sharing a folder both via nfs and samba and it doesn't see it under that "shared folders" that I seem to get a whole slew of at work
Nov 05 05:15:54 <errordeveloper> if i delete the default pdf reader and media player in favour of evince and ukmp ..it'll try to come back with os upgrade ..right?
Nov 05 05:15:54 <errordeveloper> where to edit apps association to filetypes ?
Nov 05 05:22:02 <dmsuperman> This is quite odd
Nov 05 05:22:09 <dmsuperman> It appears it should already be working
Nov 05 05:22:16 <dmsuperman> How can I specify a host to connect to?
Nov 05 05:22:25 <dmsuperman> Or mount it via command line?
Nov 05 05:41:14 <errordeveloper> also .. a major issue i've got are the file premissions on the memory card ..
Nov 05 06:59:06 <sampo_> hello
Nov 05 06:59:57 <sampo_> i read somewhere that it is no longer necessary to sign packages when uploading them with webassistant ?
Nov 05 07:03:19 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Nov 05 07:03:40 <sampo_> hey
Nov 05 07:26:59 <Khertan_n810> hum i ve just unactivated flash and microb work really well now
Nov 05 07:27:08 <Khertan_n810> stupid flash ad
Nov 05 07:32:58 <RST38h> good mo(u)rning all
Nov 05 07:33:13 <johnx> m00f!
Nov 05 07:33:20 <qwerty12> wag1
Nov 05 07:38:19 <Khertan_n810> morning all
Nov 05 07:39:41 <RST38h> btw, sb2 on ibex problem fixed thanks to nokia guys
Nov 05 08:08:06 <RST38h> Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/midcom/core/privilege.php on line 425
Nov 05 08:08:42 <RST38h> Midgard gave up trying to sort a few hundred records by a numeric coulmn
Nov 05 08:16:49 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well technically that is PHP giving up ;)
Nov 05 08:18:21 <RST38h> X-Fade: is it still running on the 770? =)
Nov 05 08:18:49 <X-Fade> RST38h: Yes and vmware on top of that ;)
Nov 05 08:19:00 <RST38h> BTW, returning to yesterday comment:
Nov 05 08:19:20 <RST38h> In the user list, you have the Totals column and a few sort-by menu options
Nov 05 08:20:11 <RST38h> I think it will be way more comprehensive if you show all karma components as columns (may have to make them grayed out to make totals stand out) and let users sort by clicking on column headers
Nov 05 08:20:29 <X-Fade> RST38h: But we will have 15 values soon.
Nov 05 08:20:43 <X-Fade> RST38h: That will be very confusing ;)
Nov 05 08:20:50 <RST38h> X-Fade: Isn't much of a problem if you show them in smaller font :)
Nov 05 08:21:06 <RST38h> Easily confused people generally ignore smaller font items
Nov 05 08:21:28 <X-Fade> Well, sorry .. but most people aren't accountants who like seeing excel sheets ;)
Nov 05 08:21:41 <RST38h> So they will ignore smaller font items! =)
Nov 05 08:22:18 <RST38h> And, btw, it looks like bug-reports and itt-thanks components are counted into karma but aren't shown on my profile, whatever it means
Nov 05 08:22:39 <X-Fade> They only show when you actually have some.
Nov 05 08:22:43 <RST38h> I do
Nov 05 08:22:52 <RST38h> Or did :)
Nov 05 08:22:56 <X-Fade> Did you fill in your url?
Nov 05 08:23:18 <RST38h> yes
Nov 05 08:23:28 <RST38h> and itt-discussion does show up
Nov 05 08:23:35 <RST38h> sorry, posts
Nov 05 08:33:42 <Khertan_n810> Hallo !
Nov 05 08:34:05 <RST38h> ehlo
Nov 05 08:34:13 <Khertan_n810> i ve just published a first beta of mTasks and is home appelt
Nov 05 08:34:17 <Khertan_n810> applet
Nov 05 08:34:43 <Khertan_n810> if someone try it, what do you think of it ?
Nov 05 08:35:20 <Khertan_n810> (in extras-devel of course)
Nov 05 08:35:51 <Khertan_n810> and yep icon isn t good :)
Nov 05 08:39:52 <Khertan_n810> is there a designer good enough to make me a todo icon for mtasks ?
Nov 05 08:41:20 <Khertan_n810> does someone know a search engine for icon with free copyright ?
Nov 05 08:41:20 <Khertan_n810> ping ?
Nov 05 08:44:17 <RST38h> wikimedia
Nov 05 08:44:19 <RST38h> a moment
Nov 05 08:44:53 <RST38h> Here, feed: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Icons_themes
Nov 05 08:45:56 <Khertan_n810> thx
Nov 05 09:06:52 <slapin> hi, all!
Nov 05 09:07:24 <slapin> do anybody knows where could I order n770 screen to replace myself?
Nov 05 09:09:09 <gomiam> slapin: replace yourself? Go out of the house, find a clone of yourself and give him the keys
Nov 05 09:09:11 <gomiam> ;-)
Nov 05 09:10:57 <slapin> gomiam, don't take evrything so literally
Nov 05 09:11:46 <slapin> actually I mean that I can replace screen using my own hands
Nov 05 09:12:35 <Stskeeps> you had a 770 white screen of death or?
Nov 05 09:13:27 <suihkulokki> slapin: I don't believe those LCD screens are available on the market. You can try ebay or some other similar site.
Nov 05 09:14:36 <slapin> 1 x smashed screen and 1xWSOD, 1xbad colors
Nov 05 09:14:46 <slapin> so I actually need 3 of them
Nov 05 09:15:07 <slapin> I was donated of  (otherwise working) 3 devices.
Nov 05 09:15:28 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 05 09:15:31 <slapin> and 1 x perfectly working my own.
Nov 05 09:17:15 <slapin> I actually want one to use in my home automation, so I also interested in all available hardware docs, mostly regarding service connectors (if any).
Nov 05 09:18:58 <Stskeeps> got schematics?
Nov 05 09:19:47 <slapin> Stskeeps, no :(
Nov 05 09:20:44 <Stskeeps> a quick google shows http://www.mobilchips.com/manuals/Nokia/123_N770%20Schematics.rar
Nov 05 09:22:05 <slapin> Stskeeps, thanks a lot!
Nov 05 09:23:52 <zackeroo> I just had a question about Wayfinder and paying the fee for license ... does anyone here know what exaclty you get for paying the fee?
Nov 05 09:25:40 <Jaffa> A 12 digit code which gives you a 3 year licence.
Nov 05 09:25:49 <Jaffa> Hopefully, by the time it expires, Nokia'll be providing nav for free.
Nov 05 09:43:57 <RST38h> Jaffa: You do not spend so much money for some mapping company to provide its stuff for free =)
Nov 05 09:44:02 <RST38h> On the other hand...
Nov 05 09:45:54 <zackeroo> Jaffa: does that get me maps and the whole lot?
Nov 05 09:52:29 <zackeroo> anyone else here know how map and paying for the lisence all goes?
Nov 05 09:54:31 <X-Fade> zackeroo: You can download all maps for free. You pay for routing and turn by turn instructions.
Nov 05 09:54:59 <zackeroo> can I download the maps without paying ?
Nov 05 09:55:26 <X-Fade> You can use the maps application without the license. It will just show your position on the map.
Nov 05 09:59:04 <Stskeeps> yay, nokia noticed the maemo reconstructed proposal
Nov 05 10:00:20 <RST38h> Sts: ...and sent the lawyers? =)
Nov 05 10:00:34 <Stskeeps> not yet
Nov 05 10:00:48 <Stskeeps> there's probably better candidates for this around iTT really
Nov 05 10:01:43 <RST38h> ~lawyers Stskeeps
Nov 05 10:02:01 <RST38h> Ehh, doesn't work =)
Nov 05 10:05:01 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 05 10:23:00 <Jaffa> RST38h: Given Nokia now own Wayfinder, and the routing is free on their phones, I'd imagine that same sales feature would come acrsoss into a more mainstream Maemo 5-based device
Nov 05 10:23:24 <X-Fade> Jaffa: It is not free on all phones.
Nov 05 10:23:42 <X-Fade> Not on my N95 at least.
Nov 05 10:27:33 <guardian> is it ok to change /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts from Nokia-N800-36-5 to something more friendly ?
Nov 05 10:28:31 <RST38h> Jaffa: Oh, they made Nokia Maps routing free? Are you sure about it?
Nov 05 10:28:41 <woglinde> guardian it is your device change it as you like
Nov 05 10:28:58 <guardian> well at point i remember it was related to the bluetooth name
Nov 05 10:29:00 * RST38h would be happy if Nokia just ported Nokia Maps to the tablet
Nov 05 10:29:05 <guardian> and it was not a good idea to change it
Nov 05 10:29:57 <Jaffa> All the adverts in the UK talk about the phone including navigation (e.g. the N96) without any mention of additional charges - which the ASA would get 'em for if they didn't mention it
Nov 05 10:31:25 <X-Fade> Jaffa: "Upgrades available for purchase: Multimedia city guides and Navigation services: Drive - voice guided car navigation, or Walk - pedestrian-optimised turn-by turn guidance"
Nov 05 10:31:29 <X-Fade> Not free
Nov 05 10:31:37 <X-Fade> http://www.nokia.co.uk/A4835651
Nov 05 10:32:03 <Jaffa> Hmm. Might complain to the ASA then, as I walk past a large poster heavily implying that you get nav included with the phone
Nov 05 10:32:32 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Navigation _capability_ :)
Nov 05 10:33:24 <Jaffa> No, it's a massive poster with the only photo of the phone showing landscape-oriented nav function. Can't remember the tagline, but there's no "* Navigation is an additional, chargeable add-on". I know, cos I specifically looked :)
Nov 05 10:34:06 <Jaffa> Texrat got laid off
Nov 05 10:34:31 <RST38h> Laid off or transferred? It seems to follow from Quim's response that he is getting transferred
Nov 05 10:35:30 <Jaffa> Quim's response on Jaiku suggests that although his current role is redundant, he may be able to find another role. But with the 600 or so other jobs Nokia have laid off, I'd guess the internal job market isn't too great.
Nov 05 10:36:00 <RST38h> it depends on who exactly is getting laid off
Nov 05 10:36:36 <Jaffa> http://www.itworld.com/business/57229/nokia-lay-about-600-employees
Nov 05 10:37:17 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: and texrat mentioned somewhere he can't relocate
Nov 05 10:37:24 <Stskeeps> cos of family and such
Nov 05 10:39:38 <RST38h> If I remember correctly he is somewhere in the US
Nov 05 10:39:40 <lardman> morning
Nov 05 10:39:50 <lardman> Jaffa: my book arrived, looks good
Nov 05 10:40:48 <RST38h> So, he is probably in the US sales&marketing and Nokia is laying off about 350 people there
Nov 05 10:41:02 <RST38h> no, make it 300
Nov 05 10:44:41 <Jaffa> lardman: mine's shipped, not arrived yet (unless it arrives today). Looking forward to it.
Nov 05 10:47:28 <tekojo> RST38h: Texrat isn't in marketing, and it is a pity if we can't find him a job in Nokia
Nov 05 10:49:03 <Stskeeps> some more to the busybox vs rest of GNU toolset it claims to replace. Busybox, 300kb flash, the GNU toolset it provides (with man pages, info pages, and locales stripped), 3.8mb flash
Nov 05 10:49:37 <Stskeeps> would you people sacrifice 3.5mb flash instead of a marketing video for not having to fight with busybox sh every day and the tools in it?
Nov 05 10:50:07 <Stskeeps> and making porting so much easier of any desktop *nix app (so you can concentrate on hildonization and such)
Nov 05 10:50:15 <lardman> Stskeeps: I have no major problems with it ;)
Nov 05 10:50:20 <lardman> but yes
Nov 05 10:50:29 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Council feed restored. And cron died on the maintenance node, so it didn' update the feeds ;)
Nov 05 10:51:02 <Stskeeps> lardman: i get mad every time i try to do find -name something -printf "foo %f\n" :P
Nov 05 10:51:16 <lardman> Stskeeps: yeah, I see your point
Nov 05 10:52:00 <errordeveloper> if i delete the default pdf reader and media player in favour of evince and ukmp ..it'll try to come back with os upgrade ..right?
Nov 05 10:52:12 * X-Fade wonders if he should enable the check for the new categories in the Extras Assistant already. (Warning)
Nov 05 10:52:18 <guardian> playing with aircrack on my n800, after having launched airodump-ng and captured data, i can't ssh to the n800, is it a known issue ?
Nov 05 10:52:25 <errordeveloper> where to edit apps association to filetypes ?
Nov 05 10:52:51 <zackeroo> X-Fade : you still there?
Nov 05 10:52:52 <woglinde> guardian install the openssh-server
Nov 05 10:52:52 <Stskeeps> lardman: and this 3.8mb flash includes bash, dash, and everything.. full list at  http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Base_system (scroll down to "Discussion" of minbase)
Nov 05 10:53:00 <X-Fade> zackeroo: Always.
Nov 05 10:53:02 <errordeveloper> guardian: may be it's cause the cpu is overloaded
Nov 05 10:53:06 <guardian> woglinde: installed
Nov 05 10:53:08 <Stskeeps> even vim, of all things
Nov 05 10:53:19 <guardian> woglinde: after ctrl-c airodump-ng i can't ssh login anymore
Nov 05 10:53:46 <zackeroo> X-Fade : so does that mean as it is right now without the lisence I have maps of the whole world?
Nov 05 10:54:02 <RST38h> Somewhat priceless: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/05/my_dogs_got_no_nose_but_i_didnt_do_it_honest/
Nov 05 10:54:04 <X-Fade> zackeroo: For all available countries, yes.
Nov 05 10:54:16 <errordeveloper> guardian: does it have somethiong to do with the newspaper?
Nov 05 10:54:32 <RST38h> tekojo: So, the numbers in that article are not complete?
Nov 05 10:54:39 <woglinde> guardian hehe guess why
Nov 05 10:54:43 <zackeroo> X-Fade : wow ... where does it get all the maps from? Wifi?
Nov 05 10:54:53 <woglinde> guardian connect to you wifi again
Nov 05 10:54:58 <X-Fade> zackeroo: Just like every on every Nokia S60 phone with gps.
Nov 05 10:55:22 <guardian> sorry, got disconnected :(
Nov 05 10:55:24 <RST38h> Sts: I have no problems with busybox but if you want a real shell, go for it
Nov 05 10:55:26 <guardian> woglinde: why ? :)
Nov 05 10:55:27 <zackeroo> X-Fade : so it just downloads them through GPS?
Nov 05 10:55:27 <X-Fade> zackeroo: You can download them over wifi or bluetooth tethered to your phone.
Nov 05 10:55:28 <guardian> woglinde: which means i can't launch airodump through a ssh session right ?
Nov 05 10:55:36 <X-Fade> zackeroo: Of course not.
Nov 05 10:55:49 <woglinde> guardian aeh think why
Nov 05 10:55:50 <zackeroo> X-Fade : I have the N800 and N810
Nov 05 10:55:52 <tekojo> RST38h: Markets, manufacturing and distribution, not sales and marketing :-) Texrat is somewhere in there
Nov 05 10:56:00 <woglinde> guardian the wifi is hopping all channels
Nov 05 10:56:07 <RST38h> "it just downloads them through GPS" <== golden quote
Nov 05 10:56:09 <Stskeeps> RST38h: well, it's not so much busybox sh itself, it's the other tools
Nov 05 10:56:10 <X-Fade> zackeroo: Why don't you just start the map application and find out?
Nov 05 10:56:17 <RST38h> tekojo: ah
Nov 05 10:56:20 <woglinde> guardian without connecto to your ap
Nov 05 10:56:21 <zackeroo> X-Fade : ok .. so I have to be online to get maps ...
Nov 05 10:56:38 <Stskeeps> RST38h: but when stuff like dash exists and i can get a bash if i want to without issue
Nov 05 10:56:55 <RST38h> Sts: make it tcsh =)
Nov 05 10:57:00 <X-Fade> zackeroo: Yes, it has no magical capabilities to get them over brain waves or whatever ;)
Nov 05 10:57:18 <errordeveloper> guardian: try to reboot anyway
Nov 05 10:57:19 <Stskeeps> RST38h: hehe
Nov 05 10:57:34 <RST38h> Sts: And can we please switch to the BSD kernel? =)
Nov 05 10:57:39 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i wish. :P
Nov 05 10:57:43 <zackeroo> X-Fade : sorry man ... I am just learnign about GPS and how it works
Nov 05 10:57:46 <woglinde> l4 please
Nov 05 10:57:53 <Stskeeps> or l4 would be okay too
Nov 05 10:58:04 * Stskeeps hasn't played with l4 for ages.
Nov 05 10:58:06 <RST38h> zackeroo: www.wikipedia.org and search for "GPS"
Nov 05 10:58:13 <lardman> zackeroo: if you've got a hook into the US military I dare say you could try downloading something over the GPS ;)
Nov 05 10:58:22 <RST38h> zackeroo: it will do wonders to your intellectual horizons
Nov 05 10:58:31 <errordeveloper> guardian: sorry, haven't read what woglinde said, you don't need to reboot
Nov 05 10:58:40 <RST38h> lardman: just very slowly and painfully =)
Nov 05 10:58:41 <X-Fade> lardman: Although with that bitrate, it would be very slow.
Nov 05 10:58:58 <zackeroo> X-Fade : so with being online... is it much like maemo mapper in that I will need to manually download maps by viewing them?
Nov 05 10:58:58 <lardman> Indeed
Nov 05 10:59:04 <woglinde> x-fade yes slower then 9600
Nov 05 10:59:17 <lardman> might as well just use one of their comms sats in that case ;)
Nov 05 10:59:20 <X-Fade> zackeroo: No, you can just download a whole country in one go.
Nov 05 10:59:31 <X-Fade> zackeroo: Not tile by tile like maemo-mapper.
Nov 05 10:59:34 <zackeroo> X-Fade : oh ... that is great ...
Nov 05 10:59:35 <lardman> or a heliograph to a spy sat perhaps :)
Nov 05 10:59:37 <guardian> once i ctrl-c airodump-ng, i disconnect wireless then i can't connect anymore. the "select connection" dialog box remains empty
Nov 05 11:00:05 <X-Fade> zackeroo: And Map uses vector maps, so it doesn't download big bitmaps.
Nov 05 11:00:18 <woglinde> guardian then airodump do not reset something in a sane way, so you must reboot
Nov 05 11:00:18 <zackeroo> X-Fade : have you ever gotten Maemo-mapper to work with flite btw?
Nov 05 11:00:26 <RST38h> lardman: Use their spy lense as a mirror to relay light!
Nov 05 11:00:28 <zakkm> is anyone here?
Nov 05 11:00:39 <lardman> RST38h: :)
Nov 05 11:00:42 <lardman> zakkm: no
Nov 05 11:00:44 <X-Fade> zackeroo: Never tried that.
Nov 05 11:00:48 <zackeroo> X-Fade : so the maps are also smaller when using vector ... right?
Nov 05 11:00:51 <zackeroo> hmm
Nov 05 11:00:54 <guardian> woglinde: yep apparently
Nov 05 11:01:00 <zakkm> is the GPS in the n800 worth using?
Nov 05 11:01:03 <zakkm> It seems very crappy to me
Nov 05 11:01:08 <lardman> zakkm: n810?
Nov 05 11:01:13 <zakkm> n800
Nov 05 11:01:15 <X-Fade> zakkm: There is no gps in N800.
Nov 05 11:01:18 <zakkm> n810 wasnt worth it to me
Nov 05 11:01:32 <lardman> so yes, it's pretty crappy in the n800 :D
Nov 05 11:01:34 <zakkm> i got the N800 for $145 used - came with everything, (bought off craigslist so no shipping) mint condition
Nov 05 11:01:35 <guardian> :)
Nov 05 11:01:40 <zakkm> really?
Nov 05 11:01:42 <zackeroo> zakkm: n810 has GPS integrated .. not the N800
Nov 05 11:01:43 <guardian> really
Nov 05 11:01:45 <lardman> ah, you got a BT GPS?
Nov 05 11:01:49 <zakkm> so then what are the maps ?
Nov 05 11:01:55 <zakkm> theres maemo mapper?
Nov 05 11:02:00 <zakkm> does it just get off wifi ?
Nov 05 11:02:02 <X-Fade> zakkm: Nice to look at? :)
Nov 05 11:02:07 <zakkm> o
Nov 05 11:02:15 <lardman> gps or maps? Which?
Nov 05 11:02:30 <zakkm> i thought it was a gps :(
Nov 05 11:02:35 <lardman> no
Nov 05 11:02:39 <zakkm> how much are bt gps's ?
Nov 05 11:02:42 <zakkm> that work with it?
Nov 05 11:02:42 <lardman> you'll need to get a BT GPS to go with it
Nov 05 11:02:51 <lardman> ~£25 for a SirfStar III, which is very good
Nov 05 11:02:52 <infobot> lardman: what are you talking about?
Nov 05 11:02:57 <X-Fade> zakkm: They are pretty cheap.
Nov 05 11:03:03 <zakkm> oh nevermind
Nov 05 11:03:07 <zakkm> not worth that much to me
Nov 05 11:03:08 <johnx> RST38h, what is it with you and the BSD kernel? :P
Nov 05 11:03:09 <zakkm> i dont drive.
Nov 05 11:03:25 <zakkm> Also, does booting from SD, take more battery life?
Nov 05 11:03:31 <zakkm> like using maemo from SD rather than flash
Nov 05 11:03:57 <johnx> a bit more. it depends on the card
Nov 05 11:04:05 <zakkm> 22mb read/ 10mb write
Nov 05 11:04:06 <zakkm> 4gb SDHC
Nov 05 11:04:18 <johnx> right, but how much power does the card use?
Nov 05 11:04:22 <zakkm> oh
Nov 05 11:04:26 <zakkm> no idea
Nov 05 11:04:34 <zakkm> is it significant though?
Nov 05 11:04:41 <lardman> infobot: just rambling like usual
Nov 05 11:05:07 <zakkm> i notice my battery life isnt long, in flash or SD.
Nov 05 11:05:09 <johnx> if you boot off of flash and leave the SD card in the device all the time it would be the same battery usage anyways
Nov 05 11:05:16 <zakkm> oh okay
Nov 05 11:05:23 <zakkm> also, one of my SD wont format?
Nov 05 11:05:24 <Stskeeps> johnx: 3.5mb extra flash used for findutils, gzip, hostname, ifupdown, module-init-tools, net-tools, procps, sed, tar, coreutils, grep, mount, bsdutils, dash, debianutils, vim-tiny, mawk, mktemp, sysvutils, iputils-ping, psmisc, time, bash, dash, login, passwd .. bought or sold?
Nov 05 11:05:33 <RST38h> johnx: Whatever it is, you will never get a proof! =)
Nov 05 11:05:35 <zakkm> my pc recognizes it. but whatever i format it as , the nokia cannot read it.
Nov 05 11:05:40 <zakkm> and also the nokia fails to format it
Nov 05 11:06:48 <johnx> zakkm, n800 right? have you updated from OS2007 yet?
Nov 05 11:06:54 <zakkm> yeah, newest diablo
Nov 05 11:06:57 <zakkm> i only bought it last week, but used
Nov 05 11:07:00 <zakkm> 36-5 i believe?
Nov 05 11:07:03 <zakkm> and yes n800
Nov 05 11:07:11 <zakkm> it says to format from file manager, which i am
Nov 05 11:07:23 <johnx> Stskeeps, sounds good to me. I'm happy to put busybox behind me :)
Nov 05 11:07:30 <zakkm> I have a Mac so the only options were to format to MS-DOS(FAT) and NTFS on my pc.
Nov 05 11:07:38 <Stskeeps> i thought it'd be in the 9-10mb's honestly
Nov 05 11:07:52 <johnx> zakkm, do other cards work in your n800?
Nov 05 11:07:53 <Stskeeps> but i used packages Eero mentioned and dash and bash on top
Nov 05 11:07:58 <zakkm> yes, the 4gb SDHC for instance
Nov 05 11:08:03 <zakkm> johnx: its just this one card
Nov 05 11:08:12 <zakkm> i have an other 256mb that works perfect for instance
Nov 05 11:08:28 <zakkm> and the 128mb(the "broken" one) works fine for pc
Nov 05 11:09:03 <johnx> zakkm, aaah, I really have no idea. maybe you should give up on that card
Nov 05 11:09:13 <zakkm> it works on pc though?
Nov 05 11:09:21 <zakkm> oh well, okay.
Nov 05 11:09:39 <zackeroo> now supposedly I have the map for Australia in Map, but the detail is very low it seems ... as in I only see main roads and railways
Nov 05 11:09:45 <johnx> well I have no idea, and it probably has some problem or is slightly non-standard in some way
Nov 05 11:10:13 <zakkm> oh
Nov 05 11:10:14 <johnx> also, new 2GB cards should be less than $5USD no matter where you are
Nov 05 11:10:26 <zakkm> it worked when i bought my device, was OS2007 then though. w.e
Nov 05 11:10:32 <zakkm> Yeah i bought the 4gb SDHC for $10.49
Nov 05 11:10:34 <zakkm> CAD
Nov 05 11:10:42 <zakkm> it seemed fast though 22mb read/10mb write
Nov 05 11:10:49 <johnx> exactly. :) think how much a 128MB card is worth
Nov 05 11:11:07 <zakkm> im broke though, the 4gb + nokia recently purchased make me broke
Nov 05 11:11:12 <zakkm> though i get paid tomorrow
Nov 05 11:11:19 <zakkm> want to buy another 4gb of the same card
Nov 05 11:11:30 <zakkm> Also, how do i get my pc to recognize the SD, when i boot from SD
Nov 05 11:11:34 <zakkm> its in use, so it wont work
Nov 05 11:12:14 <zakkm> Is Android OS , stable to try out? (sorry with the 20 questions)
Nov 05 11:12:19 <johnx> you can make two paritions and let the PC access one
Nov 05 11:12:33 <zakkm> no
Nov 05 11:12:42 <johnx> android OS: currently not worth it on the n8x0 except to mess around
Nov 05 11:12:43 <zakkm> thats why i was thinking of another 4gb card
Nov 05 11:12:50 <zakkm> yeah thats what i mean
Nov 05 11:12:54 <zakkm> but is it a hassle to install though?
Nov 05 11:12:58 <johnx> yes
Nov 05 11:13:01 <zakkm> oh okay
Nov 05 11:13:02 <guardian> woglinde: rebooting worked, without injection aircrack is pretty much useless on the n800 anyway :)
Nov 05 11:13:16 <johnx> zakkm, hit the forums at ITT. lots of info :)
Nov 05 11:13:30 <zakkm> oh, is aircrack any good?
Nov 05 11:13:47 <zakkm> Oh also, some wifis at school, i can connect to , but nothing works?
Nov 05 11:13:52 <zakkm> and when ppl use their laptop it works
Nov 05 11:14:07 <zakkm> It connects on good signal, says connected to ___ .. but its as if there is no wifi
Nov 05 11:14:27 <zakkm> I do read the forums but sometimes the forums are "outdated" or in a newbie sense.
Nov 05 11:16:03 <johnx> you'd have to tell us about the connection info
Nov 05 11:16:33 <zakkm> oh no, cant do that currently, not in school
Nov 05 11:16:47 <zakkm> should i do ifconfig and write it down?
Nov 05 11:16:52 <johnx> that's a start
Nov 05 11:16:56 <zakkm> ok :)
Nov 05 11:16:57 <johnx> just do:
Nov 05 11:17:06 <johnx> ifconfig wlan0 > output.txt
Nov 05 11:17:21 <johnx> route -n > output2.txt
Nov 05 11:17:28 <zakkm> okay :)
Nov 05 11:17:29 <zakkm> oh
Nov 05 11:17:29 <johnx> then try and ping google.com
Nov 05 11:17:44 <johnx> you'll need to be root
Nov 05 11:17:58 <zakkm> on my old 770 i had to download becomeroot ?
Nov 05 11:18:04 <johnx> ~rootsh
Nov 05 11:18:05 <infobot> methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Nov 05 11:18:12 <zakkm> oh okay
Nov 05 11:18:16 <zakkm> thought it was builtin in diablo
Nov 05 11:18:31 <johnx> nope. Nokia still doesn't want you breaking your tablet :)
Nov 05 11:18:43 <zakkm> but your have to know the command
Nov 05 11:18:46 <zakkm> -.-
Nov 05 11:18:55 <zakkm> the command " Sudo " or something
Nov 05 11:19:31 <andre__> sudo gainroot
Nov 05 11:19:56 <johnx> with rootsh you can just type "root"
Nov 05 11:20:08 <zakkm> oh cool :)
Nov 05 11:20:18 <zakkm> would be so used to typing sudo // su -i .. though
Nov 05 11:20:29 * Stskeeps ponders idly to start working on a maemo reconstructed PoC
Nov 05 11:20:30 <johnx> sudo gainroot works too with rootsh
Nov 05 11:20:37 <Stskeeps> .. if it's even worth it
Nov 05 11:20:45 <zakkm> PoC?
Nov 05 11:20:52 <Stskeeps> proof of concept
Nov 05 11:22:16 <johnx> Stskeeps, actually, this is of interest to me for other projects too. I wonder if the mojo guys have any spare cycles on their little build farm
Nov 05 11:23:02 <Stskeeps> johnx: worst case scenario is everyone starts porting to Maemo "R" instead cos it's so much easier :P
Nov 05 11:23:26 <Stskeeps> (i guess is hould find a more non-trademark infriging name. Deblet 2.0? :P)
Nov 05 11:24:10 <johnx> too bad. I liked the idea of re-maemo
Nov 05 11:24:31 <Stskeeps> well i hope it's going to be that, but it's always good with a plan B :)
Nov 05 11:25:23 <johnx> so start with the current debian packages for hildon and upgrade to fremantle versions later?
Nov 05 11:26:38 <zakkm> re-maemo?
Nov 05 11:26:47 <johnx> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed
Nov 05 11:27:38 <zakkm> This proposal was initially written by Stskeeps (Carsten V. Munk), but is intended to be a unified vision that Nokia and the community will agree upon.
Nov 05 11:27:53 <Stskeeps> to end up with, yeah
Nov 05 11:28:14 <Stskeeps> well, i'm not sure of the actual roadmap - i was thinking re-maemo not as a straight debian/ubuntu deriative, so some design decisions may be changed in the design.. so taking a minimal base, put needed base packages on top, X, recompile SVN versions from stage.maemo.org and such
Nov 05 11:28:47 <zakkm> make it like ubuntu, ubuntu sucks :P
Nov 05 11:28:58 <johnx> ?
Nov 05 11:29:00 <Stskeeps> to see how much is possible with a open source base with some addons (hald-addon-bme, wifi firmware, and such, all described how to deal with)
Nov 05 11:29:16 <zakkm> what about a new WM? :P
Nov 05 11:29:22 <johnx> ~deblet
Nov 05 11:29:22 <infobot> somebody said deblet was http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet
Nov 05 11:29:31 <zakkm> i know
Nov 05 11:29:37 <zakkm> but in this new Maemo idea.
Nov 05 11:29:49 <zakkm> or is it just strictly, "behind the scenes" stuff?
Nov 05 11:30:09 <johnx> yes, that's pretty much it
Nov 05 11:31:59 <zakkm> Is deblet nice on it to replace Maemo, or is it more of a "it can be done"?
Nov 05 11:32:00 <Stskeeps> zakkm: the idea is also not to restrict the platform for one WM/DE too
Nov 05 11:32:16 <zakkm> so you wanna make a login window?
Nov 05 11:32:27 <zakkm> sounds good, password protect it too xd
Nov 05 11:32:28 <Stskeeps> nah
Nov 05 11:32:35 <Stskeeps> zakkm: it can be done but it acts like a laptop. i've had 8-12 hour idle time
Nov 05 11:32:40 <johnx> Stskeeps, I think if we go with gtk+ 2.12 from stage.maemo.org most current apps won't work without some change. are you also thinking ohm instead of dsme?
Nov 05 11:33:00 <Stskeeps> johnx: maybe. but i get the feeling there's a bunch of updates for OHM waiting for fremantle release
Nov 05 11:33:14 <Stskeeps> but then again december is coming where the guy said there would be something
Nov 05 11:33:46 <johnx> well, maybe we can leave a spot for it with the thought it will be filled in later? it is PoC and all
Nov 05 11:33:50 <Stskeeps> i guess
Nov 05 11:33:51 <zakkm> fremantle = after diablo ?
Nov 05 11:34:06 <johnx> zakkm, yup
Nov 05 11:36:16 <Stskeeps> johnx: so question is basing on hasty or on debian, where in debian we'd need to spend time on getting upstart updated to latest version, and possibly recompile for armv5/6
Nov 05 11:36:45 <zakkm> using "clone SD" and using maemo from SD, is quicker than normal flash right?
Nov 05 11:36:56 <johnx> hasty is fine with me. and it let's us take advantage of optimizations done by the mojo guys
Nov 05 11:37:08 <johnx> zakkm, a little bit
Nov 05 11:37:40 <Stskeeps> johnx: and excersise is targeting 256mb flash for now?
Nov 05 11:37:58 <Stskeeps> for base system
Nov 05 11:38:22 <johnx> should be totally doable
Nov 05 11:38:33 <johnx> xorg or kdrive?
Nov 05 11:39:12 <zakkm> isnt xorg faster?
Nov 05 11:39:40 <johnx> it depends on the specific hardware
Nov 05 11:40:07 <Stskeeps> we can start with xorg + the omapfb driver being developed for n8x0 and beagleboard by kulve etc.
Nov 05 11:40:49 <Stskeeps> that's the direction nokia is going in anyway, with xorg
Nov 05 11:40:55 <zakkm> When i had my 770, back in like february, it was rumored that the older mplayer had better performance than the newer one.. does that still exist?
Nov 05 11:41:09 <johnx> Stskeeps, I think it's the direction everyone is going, except maybe redhat :)
Nov 05 11:43:39 <kulve> Stskeeps: afaik, it (the xf86-video-omapfb) can already be used to watch some videos and scale it..
Nov 05 11:44:31 <Stskeeps> kulve: sounds good :)
Nov 05 11:44:54 <zakkm> can the nokia play flv?
Nov 05 11:45:02 <johnx> yes
Nov 05 11:45:13 <zakkm> mplayer doesnt seem to "accept" it?
Nov 05 11:45:33 <johnx> worksforme (tm). what do you mean "accept"?
Nov 05 11:45:52 <zakkm> mplayer wont run it.. as if i didnt ask it to open it
Nov 05 11:45:57 <zakkm> and media player says codec not support
Nov 05 11:46:04 <zakkm> "media codec not supported"
Nov 05 11:46:09 <johnx> if you open mplayer first, can you play it inside mplayer?
Nov 05 11:46:09 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://ohm.freedesktop.org/wiki/UseCases , - seems like OHM will replace MCE functions
Nov 05 11:46:33 <zakkm> no
Nov 05 11:46:35 <zakkm> i tried that
Nov 05 11:46:41 <lardman> what's the message?
Nov 05 11:46:43 <zakkm> i went to open.. and selected it
Nov 05 11:46:45 <zakkm> but nothing happens
Nov 05 11:46:47 <zakkm> nothing happens.
Nov 05 11:46:52 <zakkm> no output at all
Nov 05 11:47:02 <zakkm> should i run running mplayer from terminal so theres output?
Nov 05 11:47:10 <lardman> yeah
Nov 05 11:47:32 <lardman> though there's a log option in the gu iiirc
Nov 05 11:47:40 <zakkm> oh i have to type the output ;p
Nov 05 11:47:45 <zakkm> the video location*
Nov 05 11:47:58 <zakkm> oh right i put gmlauncher -.-
Nov 05 11:48:54 <zakkm> no output from terminal?
Nov 05 11:49:07 <zakkm> just a libc debug conic when i launched it
Nov 05 11:49:09 <zakkm> not file though
Nov 05 11:50:53 <lardman> what's the file?
Nov 05 11:51:16 <zakkm> a flv ?
Nov 05 11:51:24 <zakkm> plays perfectly on vlc / mplayer on my pc
Nov 05 11:51:26 <zakkm> mac*
Nov 05 11:51:28 <lardman> yeah, url?
Nov 05 11:51:40 <zakkm> it was a downloaded 97mb flv?
Nov 05 11:51:41 <lardman> I'll try it here
Nov 05 11:51:43 <zakkm> it wasnt youtube or anything
Nov 05 11:54:47 <lardman> http://www.headbands.com/gspot/ see what the codecs are
Nov 05 11:55:30 <zakkm> i have mac osx
Nov 05 11:55:38 <zakkm> it was originally a flash stream
Nov 05 11:56:18 <lardman> Mediainfo?
Nov 05 11:56:22 <zakkm> when its connected to PC, playing it off the SD card works too
Nov 05 11:56:45 <zakkm> VLC doesnt show anything for media info
Nov 05 11:56:46 <zakkm> for the video
Nov 05 11:57:05 <Khertan_n810> Hi again !
Nov 05 11:57:09 <lardman> try running mplayer from the command line with -v
Nov 05 11:57:39 <zakkm> avformat debug: adding es: video codec = FLV1
Nov 05 11:57:40 <zakkm> avformat debug: adding es: audio codec = mp3
Nov 05 11:57:45 <zakkm> according to vlc
Nov 05 11:57:47 <Khertan_n810> about mplayer what does exactly -nocache ?
Nov 05 11:58:20 <lardman> no memory cache afaik
Nov 05 11:59:08 <Khertan_n810> hum ... this is strange as on mpeg4 video it slow without using -nocache
Nov 05 11:59:51 <Stskeeps> johnx: so i guess the question is how to structure the work.. it's quite easy for me to make a bootable image in tar.gz of minbase
Nov 05 12:00:39 <herwood> hi
Nov 05 12:00:44 <lardman> Khertan_n810: probably just means it can't decode in real-time
Nov 05 12:00:46 <johnx> well, now that I have a slightly better grasp of packaging, maybe I could take a shot at some of the lower hanging fruit
Nov 05 12:00:53 <herwood> has anybody used maemo + qt + AutoTroll?
Nov 05 12:01:00 <lardman> johnx: Octave?
Nov 05 12:01:13 <herwood> I can't get the example project work
Nov 05 12:01:37 <herwood> I mean the AutoTroll's example project
Nov 05 12:01:47 <johnx> lardman, sorry, I meant maemo-reconstructed
Nov 05 12:01:51 <Khertan_n810> lardman : but without cache video is read really well
Nov 05 12:03:30 <lardman> johnx: no worries
Nov 05 12:03:32 <zakkm> even if i set KMplayer to use flash as a backend, it still wont play
Nov 05 12:03:35 <lardman> Khertan_n810: oh, strange
Nov 05 12:03:38 <zakkm> even though its a total flash file
Nov 05 12:04:11 <lardman> zakkm: what was the output of "mplayer -v blah"? where blah is your filename
Nov 05 12:04:14 <lardman> pastebin it
Nov 05 12:04:33 <lardman> or even better, redirect it to a file and pastebin that to save typing
Nov 05 12:04:49 <zakkm> filename of video?
Nov 05 12:04:53 <zakkm> -v "filename of video" ?
Nov 05 12:04:59 <lardman> what's the name of you video?
Nov 05 12:05:25 <zakkm> 14945.flv
Nov 05 12:05:40 <lardman> right, so do this: mplayer -v 14945.flv
Nov 05 12:06:00 <lardman> or better: mplayer -v 14945.flv &> output.txt
Nov 05 12:06:42 <zakkm> what the
Nov 05 12:06:44 <zakkm> now it plays
Nov 05 12:06:45 <zakkm> in -v ?
Nov 05 12:06:51 <Stskeeps> heh
Nov 05 12:07:01 <zakkm> what went wrong then?
Nov 05 12:09:12 <zakkm> now, i know this wrong to ask, but how well does aircrack work exactly?
Nov 05 12:09:13 <Stskeeps> johnx: think best way to get things rolling is debootstrap hasty minbase, put deblet-boot-basics on top, and omap-fb-console and -tools, and kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon for console.. the reason i need to makedev fb0/fb1 and such is because for some strange reason, runlevel S numbering is different for udev and such in ubuntu, and this might have to be fixed in the packages
Nov 05 12:10:14 <Stskeeps> .. and the obligatory usbnet i guess if not usb keyboard (and remove the rescue menu parts in init scripts, and the check for run from bootmenu with linuxrc in boot-basics)
Nov 05 12:11:04 <Khertan_n810> zakkm: does nt work very well proprietary driver can t do injection
Nov 05 12:11:17 <zakkm> wouldnt that make it extremely slow?
Nov 05 12:11:27 <zakkm> how long would it take roughly to crack?
Nov 05 12:11:47 <Khertan_n810> dpends on network traffic
Nov 05 12:11:50 <aquatix> quite a while
Nov 05 12:11:54 <aquatix> and what Khertan_n810 says
Nov 05 12:12:05 <Khertan_n810> so take too long without injection
Nov 05 12:12:06 <aquatix> because you can't inject, you can't speed things up and such
Nov 05 12:12:36 <Khertan_n810> it takes 4 days on my own network to get my wep key
Nov 05 12:12:38 <aquatix> time for OSS wifi drivers :)
Nov 05 12:12:39 <zakkm> lets say 125kb/s traffic ?
Nov 05 12:12:45 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: wow
Nov 05 12:13:00 <aquatix> zakkm: well, something like in Khertan_n810's situation i guess
Nov 05 12:13:06 <Khertan_n810> with enormous traffic at 54Mbps
Nov 05 12:13:15 <Khertan_n810> file transfer
Nov 05 12:13:20 <zakkm> ;o
Nov 05 12:13:23 <zakkm> okay, nevermind
Nov 05 12:13:34 <zakkm> i was just hoping to crack my schools library wifi
Nov 05 12:13:42 <zakkm> its the only place in school thats psasword'd
Nov 05 12:13:51 <zakkm> they put a different password than rest of school for some reason
Nov 05 12:13:54 <aquatix> hide your tablet somewhere, running from the charger ;)
Nov 05 12:14:03 <zakkm> theres plugs all over we can use
Nov 05 12:14:10 <zakkm> but 4 days is too long for me
Nov 05 12:14:16 <aquatix> or use a laptop
Nov 05 12:14:16 <johnx> zakkm, just so you know you're on a publicly logged channel :)
Nov 05 12:14:18 <zakkm> but the output is like 5mbyte/s ? from library
Nov 05 12:14:20 <zakkm> if that helps?
Nov 05 12:14:24 <zakkm> yes i do know.
Nov 05 12:14:32 <zakkm> theres open logs too isnt there?
Nov 05 12:14:35 <zakkm> google search'd
Nov 05 12:14:51 <aquatix> yeah
Nov 05 12:15:03 <johnx> just as long as you know :)
Nov 05 12:15:04 <zakkm> it's not aganist schools rules, its just nobody has it
Nov 05 12:15:12 <aquatix> erm, ask? ;)
Nov 05 12:15:18 <zakkm> they wont tells us ;p
Nov 05 12:15:22 <aquatix> ah, meh :)
Nov 05 12:15:27 <zakkm> its not different than the rest of the open places though
Nov 05 12:15:39 <zakkm> they say library is for library purposes, not for ppl to game on laptops and such.
Nov 05 12:15:51 <aquatix> where's the wifi for then?
Nov 05 12:15:52 <zakkm> if you need internet access you can use the schools computers -.-
Nov 05 12:15:57 <zakkm> the wifi team added it
Nov 05 12:16:01 <zakkm> the wifi team is student -run
Nov 05 12:16:13 <zakkm> i guess i could ask them but i dont know any member
Nov 05 12:16:39 <aquatix> maybe ask around a bit, someone else might know a member
Nov 05 12:16:51 <aquatix> might be faster/easier than hacking :)
Nov 05 12:17:01 <zakkm> i didnt think it would take 4 days
Nov 05 12:17:12 <zakkm> if injection did work, how much faster would it make that ?
Nov 05 12:17:39 <zakkm> if its quick, my friend may let me use his laptop
Nov 05 12:18:53 <Khertan_n810> for wep with injection in the worst case one hour
Nov 05 12:19:30 <johnx> Stskeeps, so should I debootstrap hasty and start trying to package xf86-video-omapfb?
Nov 05 12:19:50 <zakkm> wow
Nov 05 12:20:00 <Khertan_n810> bye
Nov 05 12:20:50 <zakkm> whats the chances injection will be added to the n800 ?
Nov 05 12:20:51 <Stskeeps> johnx: sounds like a plan - except for boot basics and fb-console you cacn just dpkg --force-architecture in the other packages (you might have to edit a little bit in the latter)
Nov 05 12:21:16 <Stskeeps> er, in the boot basics and fb console ones
Nov 05 12:21:22 <aquatix> zakkm: the same as an open source wifi driver appearing for it
Nov 05 12:21:30 <Stskeeps> first hint: apt-utils and wget
Nov 05 12:21:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 05 12:21:44 <Stskeeps> aquatix: it exists but isn't that good yet :P
Nov 05 12:21:45 <aquatix> the current closed source one doesn't let you inject
Nov 05 12:21:54 <aquatix> zakkm: so, it might show up
Nov 05 12:21:58 <aquatix> sometime ;)
Nov 05 12:22:06 <aquatix> Stskeeps: any idea on how it's coming along?
Nov 05 12:22:10 <johnx> Stskeeps, I'll probably just do it remotely from a minimally altered hasty install
Nov 05 12:22:56 <Stskeeps> aquatix: i'm honestly not completely sure.. the usual problem of open sourcing something does not mean people will help out
Nov 05 12:23:21 <aquatix> true that
Nov 05 12:24:01 <johnx> has anyone gotten a recent kernel booting on the n8x0?
Nov 05 12:24:11 <johnx> ie, one that stl45xx works with?
Nov 05 12:24:37 <Stskeeps> johnx: all package sources are on svn or simply in apt-get source i think
Nov 05 12:24:55 <zakkm> sweet, ill wait :)
Nov 05 12:26:37 <aquatix> zakkm: that'll take longer than 4 days though ;)
Nov 05 12:27:01 <aquatix> (far longer :( )
Nov 05 12:27:06 <zakkm> yeah but it means i dont have to sit waiting 4days in skool :D
Nov 05 12:27:08 <zakkm> overnight and such
Nov 05 12:27:31 <zakkm> lol
Nov 05 12:27:32 <lcuk> lardman, sorry for bein a cheerleader :D but i think if anyone can do it, its you
Nov 05 12:28:01 <zakkm> if i had a laptop, would it really take under a hour?
Nov 05 12:29:28 <zakkm> oh lcuk: you know your liqbase app, where does the camera pics save to?
Nov 05 12:29:45 <lcuk> ~/.liqbase/sketches
Nov 05 12:30:03 <lcuk> in chronological sequence alongside the sketches
Nov 05 12:30:15 <zakkm> the camera app seems to freeze my nokia, when i take a photo
Nov 05 12:30:24 <zakkm> so i been using your program for camera taking
Nov 05 12:31:05 <zakkm> :D thanks
Nov 05 12:31:27 <lcuk> well im not sure about resolution etc, its just a lowres face cam, but it works nicely and usually without crashing every 2 minutes
Nov 05 12:33:14 <zakkm> also is the cpu throttling only for your program?
Nov 05 12:33:19 <zakkm> or does it change maemo settings?
Nov 05 12:33:44 <Stskeeps> was there any connection between the various nokia codenames btw?
Nov 05 12:33:49 <lcuk> cpu is global, it reverts on reboot or when you change it again
Nov 05 12:34:03 <lcuk> they were all winds or something werent they
Nov 05 12:34:39 <zakkm> so i can open your app, change cpu throttling, close your app.. and settings will save?
Nov 05 12:34:48 <zakkm> as long as i dont reboot?
Nov 05 12:34:48 <lcuk> http://ggweather.com/winds.html
Nov 05 12:34:49 <johnx> w00! one of my 4GB SDHC cards is toast. *makes another notch on his desk for it*
Nov 05 12:35:09 <lcuk> yes zakkm, i also havent noticed much of a battery drain even on performance
Nov 05 12:35:13 <lcuk> i stay in it all day long
Nov 05 12:35:21 <zakkm> how fast do SDHC's go "toast" ?
Nov 05 12:35:23 * aquatix can't find his thumbdrive-like SD reader with 4GB minisd :/
Nov 05 12:36:27 <johnx> zakkm, well it depends on the cause. this one was a little broken from the beginning I think, but now it has too many I/O errors to even write a partition table on it
Nov 05 12:36:34 <Stskeeps> johnx: deblet has so far cost the life of a 770 and some sd cards? :P
Nov 05 12:37:04 <zakkm> I boot from SD, i would hate to lose all my settings and installs and such
Nov 05 12:37:23 <johnx> so make sure you back up :P
Nov 05 12:37:29 <Veggen> zakkm: I'd do regular backups :)
Nov 05 12:37:30 <johnx> it's really easy on a Mac
Nov 05 12:37:47 <Veggen> dd is your friend (on Linux)
Nov 05 12:38:02 <johnx> rsync is good if you're booting from SD
Nov 05 12:38:08 <zakkm> cant dd work on mac ?
Nov 05 12:38:15 <zakkm> macports probably
Nov 05 12:38:19 <Veggen> zakkm: hmm, likely.
Nov 05 12:38:28 <zakkm> ill see if its builtin ;p
Nov 05 12:38:29 <lcuk> whatever happened to good old CTRL+a, CTRL+c, CTRL+V ?
Nov 05 12:38:31 <johnx> I would be surprised if it wasn't included with every Mac
Nov 05 12:38:46 <zakkm> yeah dd is builtin
Nov 05 12:38:46 <johnx> lcuk, those are actually recent inventions :)
Nov 05 12:40:49 <lcuk> but io remember them from windows 95?  that was the first"operating system" on a computer ever!
Nov 05 12:41:36 <johnx> so who's throwing a party next year for the 40th anniversary of Unix? :D
Nov 05 12:41:58 <zakkm> ME ! :D
Nov 05 12:42:09 <lcuk> the hippies :P
Nov 05 12:42:10 <zakkm> your all invited to my cardboard box house :P
Nov 05 12:42:20 <lcuk> Party in the basement!
Nov 05 12:42:35 <aquatix> johnx: i party along!
Nov 05 12:42:42 <zakkm> dont be too loud though, you might disturb my neighbors
Nov 05 12:42:47 <johnx> lcuk, by hippies you mean researches at big telecom?
Nov 05 12:42:58 * lcuk has tongue in cheek
Nov 05 12:43:16 <RST38h> johnx: most of these are gone by now
Nov 05 12:43:26 <RST38h> johnx: and the Berkeley folks too
Nov 05 12:43:58 <johnx> lcuk, anyways, hippies know how to party. :D
Nov 05 12:44:23 <zakkm> when is it next year?
Nov 05 12:44:49 <Stskeeps> yeah.. researchers surely know how to drink
Nov 05 12:45:01 <johnx> should be december 31st 2009, right?
Nov 05 12:46:04 <johnx> or at least that's the 40th year of the Unix epoch
Nov 05 12:46:40 <lcuk> wont that kinda kill the party when all the admins have to go and patch their systems and recompile and stuff instead of boozing
Nov 05 12:46:57 <Stskeeps> i'm going for end of world party at time_t overflow date.
Nov 05 12:46:58 <johnx> lcuk, nah, that's not until 2038, the end of the world
Nov 05 12:47:05 <lcuk> or are those two activities not mutually exclusive
Nov 05 12:47:06 <Stskeeps> .. what johnx said
Nov 05 12:47:52 <johnx> we'll all round up what alcohol we can and climb up into the hills to watch the world end
Nov 05 12:48:24 <lcuk> in the hills? using wind power for your servers?
Nov 05 12:48:38 <lcuk> or are you gonna share some booze with your handheld machine
Nov 05 12:48:41 * Stskeeps has a good place to go in poland when the world ends.
Nov 05 12:49:08 <Stskeeps> up in the mountains
Nov 05 12:49:09 <johnx> nah, they won't work any more. In 2038 the seconds since 1970 will overflow
Nov 05 12:50:23 * RST38h is watching a bunch of folks talking about the next year with The Collider looming over them =)
Nov 05 12:50:34 <RST38h> Have you all *forgotten the Collider? =)
Nov 05 12:51:19 * aquatix already named his server to the particle that'll end the world
Nov 05 12:51:42 <Stskeeps> heh, didn't know pulseaudio was just a sound server
Nov 05 12:52:08 <aquatix> what did you think it was?
Nov 05 12:52:19 <lcuk> im safely contained within a general products hull #2
Nov 05 12:52:26 <Stskeeps> that's a good question, ALSA replacement? :P
Nov 05 12:52:30 <RST38h> It is not just a sound server, it is *another* sound server
Nov 05 12:52:30 <Stskeeps> didn't really research it
Nov 05 12:52:46 <Stskeeps> RST38h: a sound server people actually develop on? :P
Nov 05 12:52:59 <RST38h> [which should die bloody death with all the other sound servers]
Nov 05 12:53:11 <RST38h> Sts: Not "actually", "currently".
Nov 05 12:53:28 <zakkm> now that i boot from SD, should i run the quicker SD, kernel?
Nov 05 12:53:30 <Stskeeps> ah :P
Nov 05 12:53:35 <RST38h> There is always a sound server people develop on, it changes every 1-2 years though
Nov 05 12:54:19 * RST38h wants his multi-channel /dev/dsp and the death of all the crufty linux sound servers
Nov 05 12:54:43 <Stskeeps> RST38h: ever shoehorned anything else than maemo into scratchbox?
Nov 05 12:54:49 <Stskeeps> since you spoke of cross-compilation
Nov 05 12:54:54 <Stskeeps> or you just do it manually?
Nov 05 12:56:12 <zakkm> which saves more battery.... powersave mode or on-demand? ( i dont care about speed )
Nov 05 12:56:57 <aquatix> on-demand generally is the best choise
Nov 05 12:57:09 <aquatix> powersave is unnecessary
Nov 05 12:57:26 <zakkm> my battery runs out too quickly
Nov 05 12:57:34 <zakkm> and i dont use it for anything power hungry
Nov 05 12:57:59 <johnx> powersave may be counterproductive
Nov 05 12:58:17 <aquatix> indeed
Nov 05 13:03:08 <lcuk> pwoersave stays at low speed, itsn ot counter productive at all CPU wise, but if you are having to hold the other components live for longer (which are uneffected by cpu speed changes - lcd/wifi/bt/gps etc) then the battery saving will not be apparant
Nov 05 13:03:45 <lcuk> and infact appear negative
Nov 05 13:04:30 <johnx> and the CPU is one of the things that has to stay on longer
Nov 05 13:04:47 <johnx> that's why "performance" mode doesn't make a difference if you're just idling anyways
Nov 05 13:04:57 <zakkm> so ondemand is best?
Nov 05 13:05:10 <johnx> that's the consensus. We invite further research
Nov 05 13:05:35 * johnx just remembered  to set performance mode 
Nov 05 13:05:45 <zakkm> i should set performance mode?
Nov 05 13:05:52 <zakkm> on the forum it says "with cost of battery life"
Nov 05 13:06:01 <johnx> no, I should, because I don't care about battery right now
Nov 05 13:06:08 <aquatix> ondemand puts cpu at work when it needs to, then quickly puts it in sleep again
Nov 05 13:06:17 <aquatix> zakkm: just use ondemand
Nov 05 13:06:29 <lardman> aquatix: clock speed, not sleeping
Nov 05 13:06:57 <zakkm> k , put on demand
Nov 05 13:07:59 <aquatix> lardman: ah, sorry, indeed
Nov 05 13:08:37 <aquatix> lardman: but c-states have to do with more than clockspeed alone i thought?
Nov 05 13:08:47 <aquatix> they can disable parts of the cpu too
Nov 05 13:09:13 <aquatix> or rather, parts of the cpu can be disabled in a high c-state ;)
Nov 05 13:09:14 <lardman> yeah, but cpufreq is just clockspeed related afaik
Nov 05 13:09:27 <aquatix> iirc, it sets c-states too
Nov 05 13:09:39 <aquatix> or maybe the cpu driver does so
Nov 05 13:09:51 <lardman> ok, my mistake then
Nov 05 13:10:17 <aquatix> powertop says c-state changes, while all i'm running on my laptop is cpufreqd and ondemand stuff
Nov 05 13:10:19 <johnx> we had the c-states before cpufreq
Nov 05 13:10:33 <johnx> well, on the tablets at least
Nov 05 13:10:41 <johnx> I assume it's actually inside the kernel
Nov 05 13:11:08 <zakkm> got to head to school. ( in 12th grade highschool ) thanks for all your help guys!
Nov 05 13:11:16 <aquatix> zakkm: hf :)
Nov 05 13:11:27 <zakkm> thanks :p u2
Nov 05 13:12:55 * aquatix will try
Nov 05 13:19:44 <lardman> do we need a council meeting?
Nov 05 13:25:50 <lardman> after lunch perhaps then
Nov 05 13:25:51 <lardman> :)
Nov 05 13:34:19 <johnx> Stskeeps, looks like the mojo guys are working on "icy-armv5el"
Nov 05 13:34:24 <johnx> I wonder what that is :D
Nov 05 13:34:30 * Jaffa fooded up - but a little busy
Nov 05 13:34:51 <guardian> is there something i'm missing ? what's the reason behind motion events x and y coordinates being stored as double ? why not a smaller type ?
Nov 05 13:38:43 <RST38h> guardian: possible rotation?
Nov 05 13:39:48 <Stskeeps> johnx: hehe, intriped (sp) obviously
Nov 05 13:42:26 <guardian> RST38h: a double, like possible rotation around the the sun ? :D
Nov 05 13:52:46 <notcoolbuthot> did anyone tried to change the color of a Gdk::Color? did you succeed? not with Cairo, but with the Gdk:GC context
Nov 05 13:59:13 <RST38h> What exactly should it do to "succeed"?
Nov 05 14:06:15 <johnx> Stskeeps, falling asleep at the keyboard. I'm leaving my n800 to run badblocks on my dead (?!) sd card
Nov 05 14:06:28 <johnx> I'll tell you if I get anywhere with xf86-video-omapfb
Nov 05 14:06:33 <johnx> 'night all
Nov 05 14:09:13 <Stskeeps> nini
Nov 05 14:17:12 * GeneralAntilles sighs at the idiocy: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=178720020062470171&postID=1993414431113241330
Nov 05 14:20:53 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: be sarcastic next time, same effect if the recipient gets it, otherwise they won't be offended ;)
Nov 05 14:21:42 * GeneralAntilles pours napalm all over X-Fade's poor little blog.
Nov 05 14:26:53 <RST38h> it is just another perfectly normal whining guy
Nov 05 14:27:29 <RST38h> why spend flammable and highly precious bodily juices on him?
Nov 05 14:27:49 <GeneralAntilles> It helps me get up in the morning.
Nov 05 14:30:34 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: person query, Eero, - base system guy?
Nov 05 14:31:13 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, crazy badass platform guy.
Nov 05 14:31:30 <GeneralAntilles> Whose breadth and depth of knowledge are terrifying
Nov 05 14:31:53 <GeneralAntilles> As far as platform stuff goes, his opinion should be place above just about everybody.
Nov 05 14:31:59 <GeneralAntilles> s/place/placed/
Nov 05 14:31:59 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: As far as platform stuff goes, his opinion should be placed above just about everybody.
Nov 05 14:32:10 <lardman> RST38h: you have napalm in your veins?
Nov 05 14:32:26 <lardman> RST38h: be careful tonight at the fireworks
Nov 05 14:34:02 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: *nod* hence why i actually went and tried to verify his questions and clarified in proposal, and still came out with an interesting result
Nov 05 14:59:31 <RST38h> http://google-gadgets.garage.maemo.org/ !
Nov 05 15:01:06 <lardman> cool :)
Nov 05 15:01:07 <Stskeeps> neat - i wonder how much battery it blows :P
Nov 05 15:01:21 <Stskeeps> are they lockable? :>
Nov 05 15:18:53 <RST38h> Sts: I am sure CPU load applet is not shown at these screenshots for a reason =)
Nov 05 15:19:42 <TPC> RST38h, what I want to know is, in that screenshot, what is that icon in the system tray with the windows xp logo doing there :P
Nov 05 15:20:07 <RST38h> TPC: This is Google Chrome logo
Nov 05 15:20:18 <RST38h> has nothing to do with Windoze
Nov 05 15:20:23 <TPC> it looks like the windows xp logo
Nov 05 15:20:34 <RST38h> yes, it has got four colors.
Nov 05 15:20:39 <TPC> the same colors
Nov 05 15:20:45 <RST38h> if that is what you mean by "looks like"
Nov 05 15:21:11 <TPC> the only difference is that the square is tilted to the right rather than to the left
Nov 05 15:21:12 <RST38h> yes, they are red, yellow, green and blue. A traffic light has got three of them too, but it is no Windows logo
Nov 05 15:21:18 <TPC> otehrwise its identical
Nov 05 15:21:20 <TPC> otherwise*
Nov 05 15:21:30 <TPC> er, to the left rather than to the right*
Nov 05 15:22:17 * timeless is confused
Nov 05 15:22:32 <timeless> google chrome has three colors in a ring around blue(fourth color)
Nov 05 15:23:02 <timeless> google gadgets has a square of cubes in 4 colors
Nov 05 15:23:31 <RST38h> All Google services icons: http://www.google.com/intl/en/options/
Nov 05 15:23:32 <Stskeeps> google is actually the XP logo AI.
Nov 05 15:23:34 <TPC> that would make more sense, I was wondering if chrome had been ported to maemo :P
Nov 05 15:23:48 <RST38h> I guess she may have stolen this particular icon from somewhere else :)
Nov 05 15:24:19 <TPC> either way, to me it looks close enough to the XP logo that it would be a trademark violation
Nov 05 15:24:46 <timeless> are you talking about gadgets?
Nov 05 15:24:49 <timeless> please paste url
Nov 05 15:24:57 <TPC> timeless, hm.. the logo in question is not on the page you linked to
Nov 05 15:25:18 <timeless> because the colors for the xp logo are top left red, clockwise green, yellow, blue
Nov 05 15:25:20 <RST38h> TPC: I am sure Microsoft is welcome to file for trademark violation
Nov 05 15:25:37 <timeless> the thing i'm looking at has top left red, clockwise blue, yellow, green
Nov 05 15:25:57 <RST38h> TPC: The case will probably be thrown out for lacking grounds (4 basic colors, etc) but some lawyers in Redmond will make money in the process
Nov 05 15:25:58 * timeless didn't link to any pages
Nov 05 15:25:59 <TPC> hm.. yes, you're correct
Nov 05 15:26:19 <TPC> but does switching the place of two colors make it different enough?
Nov 05 15:26:23 <TPC> maybe I'm just tired
Nov 05 15:26:32 <timeless> what url are you actually looking at?
Nov 05 15:26:33 <timeless> :)
Nov 05 15:27:19 <TPC> the screenshot on the page RST38h linked to at 15:01 GMT
Nov 05 15:27:29 <RST38h> I have found where that icon came from
Nov 05 15:27:40 <RST38h> Second icon here: http://desktop.google.com/
Nov 05 15:27:45 <TPC> but now that I enlarge it I see that there are other differences as well
Nov 05 15:27:57 <RST38h> So the lawsuit will have to be brought against Google. Good luck :)
Nov 05 15:28:43 <timeless> the icon actually has 4 engravings one per color
Nov 05 15:28:56 <timeless> offhand red is probably an alarm clock, green is probably a magnifier
Nov 05 15:29:03 <timeless> blue may be a calendar
Nov 05 15:29:17 <timeless> and i can't figure out what yellow is
Nov 05 15:37:58 <RST38h> qWeRtY12
Nov 05 15:38:14 <qwerty12> rSt38H
Nov 05 15:38:22 <jaska> my eyes..
Nov 05 16:57:09 <jackbeslow> anyone know a decent text editor for 2007 that I can enter greek text in?
Nov 05 17:10:24 <zakkm> How come when i press power button on my nokia n800, offline mode doesnt show up any more as a choice?
Nov 05 17:10:31 <zakkm> the list just like got shorter
Nov 05 17:10:46 <GeneralAntilles> Have you been playing with system files?
Nov 05 17:10:54 <zakkm> no
Nov 05 17:10:59 <zakkm> i know how but i havent
Nov 05 17:11:05 <zakkm> it just happened when i woke up this morning
Nov 05 17:11:11 <zakkm> like sometimes its there, sometimes its not
Nov 05 17:11:18 <zakkm> it like triggers on its own
Nov 05 17:11:34 <zakkm> i wasnt even aware you could mess with anything that could delete it from list?
Nov 05 17:11:40 <zakkm> oh could it be the cpu throttling?
Nov 05 17:11:47 <zakkm> from liqbase?
Nov 05 17:11:54 <GeneralAntilles>  /etc/systemui/systemui.xml is where the menu items are defined.
Nov 05 17:12:12 <zakkm> should i see whats there?
Nov 05 17:12:58 <GeneralAntilles> Do you use Skype?
Nov 05 17:13:11 <zakkm> yes but not frequently
Nov 05 17:13:17 <zakkm> i havent used it in days though
Nov 05 17:13:31 <Khertan_n810> Hi again !
Nov 05 17:13:33 <GeneralAntilles> Could be "phone-call" mode
Nov 05 17:13:38 <qwerty12> zakkm, If systemui.xml hasn't been touched by you then look at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121151&postcount=2
Nov 05 17:13:44 <zakkm> cant see it in .xml
Nov 05 17:13:50 <zakkm> i cant see anything that says "offline"
Nov 05 17:14:06 <zakkm> oh cool, thanks :D
Nov 05 17:15:29 <zakkm> what is the builtin note program called?
Nov 05 17:15:35 <zakkm> not vi.. the maemo one
Nov 05 17:16:05 <qwerty12> osso_notes
Nov 05 17:16:10 <zakkm> qwerty12: it has the word normal in it
Nov 05 17:16:17 <zakkm> that post doesnt help me then.
Nov 05 17:16:21 <qwerty12> :/
Nov 05 17:16:24 <zakkm> ill change to flight and see
Nov 05 17:16:33 <zakkm> oh , need root
Nov 05 17:16:56 <Khertan_n810> of course
Nov 05 17:17:03 <zakkm> not of course ;p
Nov 05 17:17:17 <zakkm>  var/lib doesnt always need root
Nov 05 17:17:45 <zakkm> anyways uh, i dont have any root program to use root installed, and no wifi
Nov 05 17:17:58 <zakkm> any other way ?
Nov 05 17:17:59 <Khertan_n810> it should as it s for all users
Nov 05 17:18:14 <qwerty12> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb
Nov 05 17:18:15 <Khertan_n810> it s easy to get root
Nov 05 17:18:24 <GeneralAntilles> ~rootsh
Nov 05 17:18:25 <infobot> from memory, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Nov 05 17:18:29 <Khertan_n810> or use ssh
Nov 05 17:18:44 <zakkm> generalantilles: i dont have wifi at home.
Nov 05 17:18:44 <Khertan_n810> ssh root@localhost
Nov 05 17:18:49 <qwerty12> zakkm, and no wifi
Nov 05 17:18:49 <zakkm> how am i suppose to install it?
Nov 05 17:18:53 <qwerty12> zakkm, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb
Nov 05 17:18:55 <qwerty12> rather, sorry
Nov 05 17:18:57 <Khertan_n810> u don t need it
Nov 05 17:19:05 <zakkm> i dont wanna boot into flash, add it, boot back into sd :P
Nov 05 17:19:27 <zakkm> ssh is builtin?
Nov 05 17:19:40 <Khertan_n810> no ssh server installed on your tablet ?
Nov 05 17:19:57 <zakkm> ssh not found
Nov 05 17:19:57 <Khertan_n810> this is the first thing to install :)
Nov 05 17:20:00 <zakkm> lol
Nov 05 17:20:14 <zakkm> I run off a mac machine, i havent used gentoo ( used when i used linux ) in like 8 months
Nov 05 17:20:22 <zakkm> my nokia is farely new too
Nov 05 17:20:48 <Khertan_n810> yep on macosx ssh and sshd is installed by default
Nov 05 17:21:12 <zakkm> does it take more battery life, being idle .. in online mode vs offline mode?
Nov 05 17:21:18 <zakkm> ( not connected to any wifi, bluetooth etc)
Nov 05 17:21:23 <zakkm> yes i know
Nov 05 17:21:27 <zakkm> but i havent got round to it
Nov 05 17:21:27 <GeneralAntilles> Not unless you have it set to try to auto connect.
Nov 05 17:21:31 <zakkm> and in mac its quite useless
Nov 05 17:21:36 <zakkm> never touch terminal
Nov 05 17:21:40 <zakkm> oh okay
Nov 05 17:21:41 <zakkm> i dont
Nov 05 17:21:50 <zakkm> so its not worth fixing then? :P
Nov 05 17:22:00 <zakkm> or well, no rush?
Nov 05 17:22:38 <Khertan_n810> i suppose you don t know how to make debian package ?
Nov 05 17:23:00 <Khertan_n810> do u have the usb cable ?
Nov 05 17:23:06 <zakkm> yes i have a usb cable
Nov 05 17:23:10 <zakkm> no , i never used debian?
Nov 05 17:23:14 <zakkm> i just said i used gentoo XD
Nov 05 17:24:14 <Khertan_n810> why do not try usb networking ?
Nov 05 17:24:26 <derf> Many people have used more than one distribution.
Nov 05 17:25:11 <zakkm> yes i have, but its been long and i never decided to learn package making
Nov 05 17:25:25 <zakkm> Khertan_n810: i was told it doesnt work ?
Nov 05 17:25:38 <Khertan_n810> or download the sshd deb package on your mac and transfer it by usb
Nov 05 17:25:49 <zakkm> its not worth thatt much to me
Nov 05 17:25:50 <zakkm> :P
Nov 05 17:25:56 <Khertan_n810> ?
Nov 05 17:26:04 <zakkm> ill just download the package when i head back to skool in 20min -.-
Nov 05 17:26:06 <zakkm> :D
Nov 05 17:26:08 <qwerty12> zakkm, only if you are using windows.
Nov 05 17:26:15 <Khertan_n810> usb didn t work on your mac ?
Nov 05 17:26:28 <zakkm> It does, but i thought it would just be a simple menu change
Nov 05 17:26:35 <zakkm> to fix the offline not appearing
Nov 05 17:26:44 <zakkm> not connect, download root program, edit this etc
Nov 05 17:27:18 <Khertan_n810> yep but as i said it s setting for all users so it need admin access
Nov 05 17:27:37 <Khertan_n810> you ren t on windows
Nov 05 17:27:47 <Khertan_n810> it s a linux distro with right
Nov 05 17:28:17 <jackbeslow> anyone know a decent text editor for 2007 that I can enter greek text in?
Nov 05 17:28:28 <Khertan_n810> hum ...
Nov 05 17:28:31 <zakkm> yes but then ill also need a good systemui file
Nov 05 17:29:38 <Khertan_n810> jackbeslow: a texteditor supporting utf8 so ? have you try pygtkeditor
Nov 05 17:30:39 <Khertan_n810> jackbeslow: is it for coding ?
Nov 05 17:31:05 <jackbeslow> Khertan_n810, nope haven't I will check it out
Nov 05 17:31:38 <Khertan_n810> it s mainly a source code editor ... but it should work
Nov 05 17:31:42 <zakkm> this might sound stupid but how about wine for the tablet ? :P
Nov 05 17:31:43 <Khertan_n810> depends of your needs
Nov 05 17:31:52 <jackbeslow> No, taking a class in ancient greek, I use my 770 for notes for every other class...it would be nice to be able to use it for greek as well
Nov 05 17:32:17 <Khertan_n810> yep as the name said Wine Is Not Emulator
Nov 05 17:32:21 <jackbeslow> The no was a response to "is it for coding"
Nov 05 17:32:50 <zakkm> Khertan_n810: i meant in terms of performance and ease of "porting"
Nov 05 17:32:55 <zakkm> not is it theorically possible
Nov 05 17:33:06 <Khertan_n810> so no emulation ... only windows dll api rewrite ... so x86 binary can t work on a ARM CPU
Nov 05 17:33:17 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, not possible. Period.
Nov 05 17:33:31 <zakkm> o right
Nov 05 17:33:34 <zakkm> didnt think of it that way
Nov 05 17:33:36 <Khertan_n810> to be short :  not possible require a x86 cpu
Nov 05 17:33:44 <GeneralAntilles> Unless you're planning to run it under an x86 emulation (think 8-16MHz).
Nov 05 17:33:47 <zakkm> i was thinking more linux = nokia... wine = "linux"
Nov 05 17:33:56 <zakkm> qemu ftw! :D
Nov 05 17:34:12 <zakkm> might as well just run actual windows, if its under emulation ;p
Nov 05 17:34:45 <Khertan_n810> yep you should think wine = 'linux' + x86 cpu
Nov 05 17:35:38 <Khertan_n810> qemu + wine ... huhu on ppc 2ghz it s run like an 386 8Mhz
Nov 05 17:35:52 <Khertan_n810> so i let you imagine on an arm
Nov 05 17:36:02 <zakkm> lol
Nov 05 17:36:10 <zakkm> sounds like virtulization is needed
Nov 05 17:36:23 <Khertan_n810> nope ...
Nov 05 17:36:32 <zakkm> 386 8mhz..
Nov 05 17:36:34 <Khertan_n810> windows is useless on such device
Nov 05 17:36:38 <zakkm> k
Nov 05 17:36:43 <zakkm> just asked...
Nov 05 17:37:07 <zakkm> i got to head back to school, 12th grade FTW!
Nov 05 17:37:11 <zakkm> seeya, thanks!
Nov 05 17:38:04 <Khertan_n810> jackbeslow: to take txt notes it should be ok
Nov 05 17:38:04 <Khertan_n810> as it  s a source code editor, there isn t any formatting
Nov 05 17:38:13 <Khertan_n810> ping ?
Nov 05 17:39:05 <jackbeslow> well how do I actually write the letters? How do I switch to a greek font or something?
Nov 05 17:41:26 <Khertan_n810> greek should be managed as it s a nokia font i support utf8 characters
Nov 05 17:41:43 <Khertan_n810> you re keyboard isn t in greek ?
Nov 05 17:45:50 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, ping.
Nov 05 17:55:59 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody interested, look over the proposed revision: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Packaging_policy_proposed_changes
Nov 05 18:02:02 <RST38h> General: user/emulation? please? ;)
Nov 05 18:04:01 <RST38h> need more examples of packages by section
Nov 05 18:04:28 <RST38h> no more comments it looks pretty reasonable
Nov 05 18:13:13 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, yeah, I'm not sure whether the table will be in the policy or not.
Nov 05 18:13:16 <GeneralAntilles> Seems like it should be
Nov 05 18:13:23 <GeneralAntilles> Need to talk to the appropriate Nokians.
Nov 05 18:15:59 <woglinde> hi khertan
Nov 05 18:21:19 <Khertan_n810> hi again
Nov 05 18:21:36 * Khertan_n810 is playing with gstreamer
Nov 05 18:23:15 <mikkov_> this one has to be a bot http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24768&page=2
Nov 05 18:25:53 <Khertan_n810> don t insult bot
Nov 05 18:27:55 <Khertan_n810> hu? ipython is not available on diablo ...
Nov 05 18:30:00 <Khertan_n810> someone know where the package easy-dev put his example file ?
Nov 05 18:31:25 <woglinde> khertan dpkg -L easy-dev
Nov 05 18:31:51 <Khertan_n810> huhu never see that /floppy folder before
Nov 05 18:32:20 <Khertan_n810> ah yep of course thx
Nov 05 18:32:26 <woglinde> what?
Nov 05 18:32:36 * lcuk waves @ khertan
Nov 05 18:32:36 <woglinde> this package has a /floppy folder?
Nov 05 18:32:38 <woglinde> wtf?
Nov 05 18:33:12 <Khertan_n810> lol
Nov 05 18:33:24 <Khertan_n810> put example in /usr/share/doc
Nov 05 18:33:32 <GeneralAntilles> mikkov_, do you want to administer the Turing test? :P
Nov 05 18:33:36 <Khertan_n810> which is clean automatically bh maemo
Nov 05 18:33:53 <Khertan_n810> nope, not this package
Nov 05 18:33:53 <woglinde> khertan hm /usr/share/doc/packagename/example is valid
Nov 05 18:34:28 <Khertan_n810> but one create it on my itt
Nov 05 18:34:48 <Khertan_n810> s/itt/it
Nov 05 18:34:59 <Khertan_n810> /usr/share/doc $ cat README
Nov 05 18:35:13 <Khertan_n810> Purged by docpurge
Nov 05 18:35:21 <Khertan_n810> :)
Nov 05 18:37:05 <jackbeslow> anyone know how to get numpty physics working on 2007he?
Nov 05 18:37:38 <woglinde> jackbeslow install diablo
Nov 05 18:37:42 <mgedmin> I once built numpty for OS2007
Nov 05 18:38:07 <mgedmin> (by disabling email integration, since the API was different)
Nov 05 18:38:19 <woglinde> time to go home
Nov 05 18:38:20 <woglinde> bye
Nov 05 18:38:26 <jackbeslow> last time I tried diablo I had loads of problems.
Nov 05 18:38:41 <GAN800> Diablo isn't available for the 770.
Nov 05 18:39:04 <jackbeslow> ok the one right under diablo it was still 2008
Nov 05 18:39:06 <lcuk> mgedmin, that kind of recompilation is one of the key points i remember discussing with you over a massive chicken salad :) *raises a glass to you*
Nov 05 18:39:18 <mgedmin> cheers!
Nov 05 18:39:59 <lcuk> how you doin today?
Nov 05 18:40:40 <GAN800> mikkov_, Shadow Warrior doesn't start for me, I'm assuming I need data from somewhere.
Nov 05 18:40:45 <jackbeslow> it has a 770 version but not for 2007he... and frankly 2008he runs far too slow on a 770
Nov 05 18:41:53 <Khertan_n810> mgedmin:  email integration in numpty .
Nov 05 18:41:56 * lcuk would really like to get his hands on a 770 to see if i can tweak liqbase to it
Nov 05 18:41:57 <Khertan_n810> ?
Nov 05 18:42:55 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, doesnt the new numpty allow uploading levels and stuff?
Nov 05 18:43:53 <Khertan_n810> don t know just install the first version to keep quiet a guy with his stuupid iphone
Nov 05 18:44:02 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 05 18:44:10 <lcuk> heh
Nov 05 18:44:15 <jackbeslow> heh installed the 2008 version for the 770, and it seems to be working
Nov 05 18:44:18 <GeneralAntilles> Hello, dneary.
Nov 05 18:44:25 <Khertan_n810> after that i remove it ... it doesn t understand when i write python line
Nov 05 18:44:26 <Khertan_n810> :)
Nov 05 18:46:00 <Khertan_n810> is there a way to stop doc purge temporary ?
Nov 05 18:53:19 <mgedmin> Khertan_n810: you could move aside the apt hook in /etc/apt/conf.d,  IIRC
Nov 05 18:53:22 <mgedmin> if you have root
Nov 05 18:53:51 <Khertan_n810> i ve got a better idea ... get the source package :)
Nov 05 18:53:55 <Khertan_n810> but thx
Nov 05 18:54:13 <mgedmin> yes, extracting the package directly is a better idea ;)
Nov 05 18:55:04 <Khertan_n810> huhu ... look a this error :
Nov 05 18:55:05 <Khertan_n810> The program 'camera_recorder.py' received an X Window System error.
Nov 05 18:55:12 <Khertan_n810> nice isn t it ?
Nov 05 19:05:04 <Khertan_n810> is their a way to capture screen with gstreamer ?
Nov 05 19:08:43 <mikkov_> GeneralAntilles: you need the shadowwarrior data files from ftp://ftp.3drealms.com/share/3dsw12.zip
Nov 05 19:08:52 * GeneralAntilles is interested to see what Karel will have to say once he actually gets the Pandora in his hands.
Nov 05 19:09:11 <GeneralAntilles> mikkov_, thanks!
Nov 05 19:09:30 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe some sort of indication of where to get it if it doesn't have it when you start it up?
Nov 05 19:11:10 <mikkov_> I am still going to finalize packaging with automated data downloading, but game hangs when closing and I was supposed fix that first
Nov 05 19:11:12 * Stskeeps wonders why on earth he took a HCI course.
Nov 05 19:11:46 <GeneralAntilles> mikkov_, I guess it's in Extras-devel and I should just shut the hell up? :D
Nov 05 19:13:39 <mikkov_> GeneralAntilles: you're on the right track. Waiting for the updated application manager ;)
Nov 05 19:20:17 <aantn> is it possible to install maemo 5 from source?
Nov 05 19:20:31 <GeneralAntilles> aantn, um, Maemo 5 doesn't exist yet.
Nov 05 19:21:13 <aantn> GeneralAntilles: there's no early work on an implementation?
Nov 05 19:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> Certain projects have Fremantle branches you could play with, I suppose
Nov 05 19:21:46 <GeneralAntilles> but they wont work on current devices
Nov 05 19:21:52 <Stskeeps> aantn: any reason you
Nov 05 19:21:58 <GeneralAntilles> The alpha SDK is coming out next month.
Nov 05 19:22:02 <Stskeeps> 're especially interested?
Nov 05 19:22:13 <lcuk> aantn, you can work on clutter programs if you want to develop off device with no idea of the expected performance levels
Nov 05 19:22:29 <aantn> Stskeeps: I just noticed the "Calling All Innovators" website
Nov 05 19:22:34 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 05 19:22:48 * lcuk noticed that as well :)
Nov 05 19:23:18 <lcuk> they didnt allow .deb files to be uploaded though
Nov 05 19:23:23 <aantn> lcuk: is there any guarantee that whatever app I create using clutter will be able to function with reasonable performance?
Nov 05 19:23:28 <lcuk> no
Nov 05 19:23:28 <aantn> lcuk: what do you mean?
Nov 05 19:23:35 <GeneralAntilles> There's the Maemo logo: http://www.callingallinnovators.com/images/partners/gLg_maemo.jpg
Nov 05 19:24:02 <lcuk> aantn, i entered myself and my app into the innovators competition, word ive had all year is that my app is innovative and new :)
Nov 05 19:24:29 <aantn> I'm thinking of having a code sprint over then next few weeks to come up with something interesting, but first I want to know more about what I'm getting into
Nov 05 19:24:32 <aantn> lcuk: what's the app?
Nov 05 19:24:56 <lcuk> aantn, called liqbase  theres more info and a video of my summit presentation here http://liqbase.net/
Nov 05 19:26:17 <lcuk> i dread to think whats gonna happen when my app is up against the s60 full 3d stuff, i hope i dont end up looking like a dick :(
Nov 05 19:27:39 <aantn> lcuk: looks neat :)
Nov 05 19:28:59 <aantn> Has there been any work done on file sharing over networks or peer to peer connections?
Nov 05 19:30:23 <lcuk> ssh and scp type things work nicely and i use them all the time with my adhoc wifi network between tablets
Nov 05 19:31:19 <aantn> lcuk: any nice guis built on top of that?
Nov 05 19:31:36 <lcuk> on top of what?
Nov 05 19:31:46 <lcuk> the filesharing or liqbase
Nov 05 19:32:43 <aantn> lcuk: the filesharing
Nov 05 19:33:05 <RST38h> lcukkk
Nov 05 19:33:45 <RST38h> lcuk: you should finish and polish your app before s60 3d crap becomes available
Nov 05 19:33:45 <lcuk> not sure what sorts of things you mean - theres an app called bluemaemo which is a nice customizable bluetooth keyboard SERVER - you use your n8x0 as keyboard to your pc or other device
Nov 05 19:33:46 <qwerty12_N800> hmm, i'd minus the last two k's :p
Nov 05 19:33:57 <RST38h> this way you can claim having a foot in the door ;)
Nov 05 19:34:52 <lcuk> RST38h, the competition is geared specifically at getting help and funding and marketting and stuff to complete your app - its in progress and I will not be able to get anywhere near as far as I hope in time on my own
Nov 05 19:35:39 <RST38h> lcuk: I wouldn't rely on competitions if I were you
Nov 05 19:35:41 <lcuk> i am doing things as fast as i can, i cannot do any more though i have family and normal job
Nov 05 19:35:53 <RST38h> familiar, yes
Nov 05 19:36:05 <lcuk> i know RST38h i and lots of people see potential in this app and the principles i am building
Nov 05 19:36:27 <lcuk> i just want to relax and get working on this in the daytime
Nov 05 19:36:38 <aantn> lcuk: e.g. send photos from your maemo to another maemo in the same room
Nov 05 19:37:01 <lcuk> aantn, that sort of thing will be completely natural as soon as i get a front facing camera
Nov 05 19:37:16 <RST38h> hehe: http://exiledonline.com/daily-inquisition-twitter-twats/
Nov 05 19:37:28 <lcuk> i have an n800 being sent to me now so i can build ideas from it -  its a bit dull at the moment, my 2 n810s can only send headshots
Nov 05 19:37:49 <aantn> lcuk: ?
Nov 05 19:37:54 <Stskeeps> aantn: sounds like something easily done with rendezvous/upnp or the likes..
Nov 05 19:38:06 <aantn> Stskeeps: I would think so
Nov 05 19:38:06 <Stskeeps> .. or bluetooth
Nov 05 19:38:08 <RST38h> "Once youve been a member for a day you are almost certainly going to take the time to learn how to manage your user preferences and delete him and his banal, uninspiring life."
Nov 05 19:38:46 * Stskeeps would love more pervasive computing like things for tablets.
Nov 05 19:39:44 <RST38h> Sts: implants?
Nov 05 19:39:48 <lcuk> aantn, the n810 has a facecam liqbase allows taking unlimited pictures quickly and easily and inserting them into the graffiti stream (alongside sketches) i want this stream to be uploadable to multiple services - including text tweets - i want pictures to flickr, tweets to jaiku/twitter and sketches to liqbase.  i want to be able to draw on pictures (silly mustaches or instant postcards or polaroid notes) and have them available
Nov 05 19:40:25 <aantn> lcuk: nice
Nov 05 19:40:56 <lcuk> obviously the sketches are important, i want to keep every single stroke and not as part of a bitmap - so if i upload a finished postcard to flickr it would currently lose that data which is wrong in my eyes
Nov 05 19:41:20 <RST38h> lcuk: boundless, gridded notepad
Nov 05 19:41:51 <RST38h> lcuk: with photos pasted to whatever part of notepad you have been viewing at the moment
Nov 05 19:41:56 <lcuk> RST38h, GTD principle - instant access to data input areas, i write notes and sort them later or i take pics and sort them later
Nov 05 19:42:03 <glass> lcuk: put the strokes into exif or some hackyhack?
Nov 05 19:42:18 <lcuk> nahhhh glass - ill just have a site for it
Nov 05 19:42:19 <Stskeeps> RST38h: nah, more pervasive interaction with surroundings, such as, bring this pic im viewing on my tablet to my media center tv screen, print this document on my printer, abuse nearby cpu power
Nov 05 19:43:05 <lcuk> Stskeeps, imagine simply having multiple views of the graffiti stream - or merges from other streams - i want one tablet sitting next to me showing my grand overview of recent and important things along with what my friends are doing
Nov 05 19:43:14 <lcuk> the virtual picture frame
Nov 05 19:43:24 <lcuk> but if i pick that tablet up i want to just be able to make some notes myself
Nov 05 19:43:33 <lcuk> or if i go onto the website i want to do it there
Nov 05 19:43:37 <RST38h> Sts: Ah, this will require infrastructure and infrastructure is difficult to achieve consistently for everybody
Nov 05 19:43:48 <lcuk> rapid data entry is key - liqbase is already faster than paper
Nov 05 19:44:12 <lcuk> RST38h, 99% of the infrastructure can be managed by flickr - they have th eupload capacity for the largest data
Nov 05 19:44:14 <Stskeeps> RST38h: indeed.
Nov 05 19:44:24 <Stskeeps> hence why i would love to see it :P
Nov 05 19:45:03 <RST38h> lcuk: now, he is talking of media centers etc
Nov 05 19:45:07 <lcuk> but i am not a business man and i know i have limitations, im just trying to use my tablet to fullest potential
Nov 05 19:45:19 <lcuk> ahhh
Nov 05 19:45:42 <lcuk> cpu sharing is simply a daemon - someone hollers on the network "got cpu?"
Nov 05 19:45:52 <lcuk> any compatible available devices respond
Nov 05 19:46:25 <lcuk> need more capacity, move to a location with better hardware ;)
Nov 05 19:46:37 <RST38h> lcuk: don't have to be a businessman
Nov 05 19:47:02 <RST38h> lcuk: but DO have to be able to set achieavable goals and reach them in reasonable time
Nov 05 19:47:11 <lcuk> my mind is deep inside the code :)
Nov 05 19:47:18 <lcuk> i do..
Nov 05 19:47:18 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, you'll need to think up a wireless communication protocol with WAAAY more bandwidth than wifi.
Nov 05 19:48:10 <lcuk> not really, it depends what you want to do
Nov 05 19:48:22 <Stskeeps> lcuk: read up on cyber foraging for cpu sharing i guess :P
Nov 05 19:49:42 <lcuk> speaking of reading up, ive gotta have a go at the opengl stuff later
Nov 05 19:56:30 <RST38h> General: photos are no problem to transfer over Wifi
Nov 05 19:56:50 <GeneralAntilles>  Generally you don't need CPU help with photos.
Nov 05 19:57:04 <lcuk> depends what you want to do with them
Nov 05 19:57:09 <RST38h> And cpu sharing stuff will depend on how big chunk of work that cpu can do before it needs to knock back
Nov 05 19:57:44 <RST38h> This unfortunately makes quite a lot of algorithms unfeasible but some (like SETI search) will still work
Nov 05 20:04:37 <Stskeeps> .. speech recognition is usually the example
Nov 05 20:04:45 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps, johnx, I'm on packaging xserver-omapfb
Nov 05 20:13:53 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: sounds good - looking forward to it
Nov 05 20:17:54 <suihkulokki> it's kinda working now.. the screen only updates when returning from blank :)
Nov 05 20:20:43 <Stskeeps> hmm, fb_update_mode stuff?
Nov 05 20:23:33 <lcuk> suihkulokki, is the x11-omapfb an optimized version?  any chance or sense in trying to slide my yuv hack in amongst it?
Nov 05 20:28:36 <l7> pressing shift+N while in maemo's vi causes a seg fault
Nov 05 20:30:50 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: switching to auto makes it work, now to get tslib working..
Nov 05 20:31:06 <Stskeeps> yeah, but it probably slows down
Nov 05 20:31:14 <suihkulokki> yes.
Nov 05 20:35:51 <suihkulokki> lcuk: it's from here: http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=summary
Nov 05 20:36:13 <GeneralAntilles> l7, bugs.maemo.org ;)
Nov 05 20:38:11 <lcuk> suihkulokki, so its basically the normal framebuffer driver?
Nov 05 20:40:01 <lcuk> hmmm that can be optimised:   image-format-conversions.c 36 void packed_line_copy(int w, int h, int stride, uint8_t *src, uint8_t *dest)
Nov 05 20:40:02 <suihkulokki> lcuk: acceleration for video is included
Nov 05 20:40:21 <lcuk> yes, but i use the video acceleration as base canvas for ui
Nov 05 20:41:08 <l7> GeneralAntilles: hrm, i'll remember to do that
Nov 05 20:41:16 <lcuk> due to the tearing i have written the only tearfree renderer - i keep wondering how to redirect native x11 itself so it can utilize them
Nov 05 20:41:22 <l7> i wonder what shift+N normally does in vi though
Nov 05 20:42:18 <GeneralAntilles> http://qwoot.net/other/vim_shortcuts.htm says "find previous"
Nov 05 20:42:26 <GeneralAntilles> nano segfaults searching, too.
Nov 05 20:42:26 <lcuk> and that: uv12_to_uyvy
Nov 05 20:43:10 <lcuk> hmmm small world
Nov 05 20:44:42 <lcuk> can this be built and used directly in maemo, or is it for deblet?
Nov 05 20:47:39 <GAN800> Poor Mara doesn't know what he's gotten himself into.
Nov 05 20:49:35 <suihkulokki> lcuk: maemo is missing a good bit of regular xorg components, but with hard work, why not :)
Nov 05 21:06:08 <l7> hmm
Nov 05 21:06:39 <l7> how do you get nano installed on maemo?
Nov 05 21:06:48 <l7> is it part of the bash2 package?
Nov 05 21:06:55 <qwerty12_N800> no
Nov 05 21:07:00 <TPC> alias nano="vi" ;P
Nov 05 21:07:13 <||cw> heh
Nov 05 21:07:42 <l7> heh
Nov 05 21:08:23 <l7> not that i would ever considering running nano and sacrifice my leet unix cred
Nov 05 21:08:31 <TPC> the diablo/tools repository seems to have it
Nov 05 21:09:14 <l7> is there any way to make sshing into the tablet less laggy?
Nov 05 21:09:35 <TPC> use a faster internet connection
Nov 05 21:09:39 <lcuk> try using performance mode cpu setting
Nov 05 21:10:04 <TPC> I ssh into mine frequently while its in powersave mode, I haven't noticed any slowdowns
Nov 05 21:10:07 <GeneralAntilles> Bzzt, no.
Nov 05 21:10:11 <GeneralAntilles> ~wifi-psm
Nov 05 21:10:11 <infobot> methinks wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)
Nov 05 21:10:23 <TPC> normal interactive ssh doesn't require much cpu
Nov 05 21:10:27 <GeneralAntilles> TPC and lcuk, you're both wrong. :)
Nov 05 21:10:31 <lcuk> the encryption does
Nov 05 21:10:37 <GeneralAntilles> No, lcuk.
Nov 05 21:10:38 <l7> TPC: it's on the local network
Nov 05 21:10:42 <TPC> GeneralAntilles, so the speediness of my ssh sessions are imagined? :P
Nov 05 21:10:44 <GeneralAntilles> It's not a CPU issue
Nov 05 21:10:55 <GeneralAntilles> TPC, it's WiFi power saving
Nov 05 21:10:59 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, cpu starts slowly, ramps up quickly
Nov 05 21:11:00 <l7> hmmm
Nov 05 21:11:07 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, it's not the CPU.
Nov 05 21:11:15 <lcuk> but the time its slow + the ramp up is saved by being in performance
Nov 05 21:11:19 <lcuk> it saves *some*
Nov 05 21:11:26 <l7> i'll try disabling wifi power savings
Nov 05 21:11:31 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, it's the wifi power savings.
Nov 05 21:11:44 <l7> i wonder how much of a battery hit it will cost
Nov 05 21:11:50 <GeneralAntilles> Either disable it and kill your battery life, or keep something using network and kill your battery life slightly less.
Nov 05 21:12:06 <GeneralAntilles> Well, you'll get 2-4 days idle on wifi with PSM
Nov 05 21:12:10 <GeneralAntilles> about 6 hours without.
Nov 05 21:12:16 <TPC> for transfering files I've stopped using ssh and started using netcat
Nov 05 21:12:17 <lcuk> i tohught my wifi doesnt powersave on my shed of an adhoc - i DO notice an improvement performance vs ondemand
Nov 05 21:12:42 <TPC> unencrypting twice, first with the wifi encryption and then with the ssh encryption, seems to cut the bit rate in about half, compared to just using wifi encryption and transfering with netcat
Nov 05 21:12:48 <lcuk> ssh is havy on encryption
Nov 05 21:12:50 <lcuk> e
Nov 05 21:13:02 <GeneralAntilles> PSM is the cause of SSH lag
Nov 05 21:13:23 <lcuk> then how does TPCs thing work then?
Nov 05 21:14:02 <TPC> my thing is for file transfers, not interactive ssh
Nov 05 21:14:12 <lcuk> same protocol
Nov 05 21:14:18 <lcuk> different amount of data
Nov 05 21:14:23 <TPC> yep
Nov 05 21:14:26 <l7> GeneralAntilles: awesome it worked
Nov 05 21:14:36 <l7> ssh is now very responsive
Nov 05 21:14:40 <TPC> l7, and the wifi power saver probably turns itself off when it detects more data
Nov 05 21:14:47 <GeneralAntilles> l7, my recommendation is to just let XChat idle.
Nov 05 21:14:58 <TPC> or irssi over ssh :)
Nov 05 21:15:10 <l7> GeneralAntilles: hrm, would ping work?
Nov 05 21:15:15 <GeneralAntilles> l7, yes.
Nov 05 21:15:18 <TPC> set it to show seconds, that will generate some traffic often enough that it will keep the power saving off
Nov 05 21:15:21 * qwerty12_N800 just lets acmonitor ping google.com
Nov 05 21:15:29 <TPC> set irssi to show seconds that is
Nov 05 21:15:31 <GeneralAntilles> TPC, PSM cycles the radio on and off several times a second.
Nov 05 21:15:45 <GeneralAntilles> Timeout is 100ms
Nov 05 21:15:58 <TPC> *shrug* it works for me
Nov 05 21:16:02 <l7> any suggestions on what to ping?
Nov 05 21:16:08 <TPC> altought I don't experience interactive ssh slowdowns even with nothing using traffic
Nov 05 21:16:16 <l7> i could ping localhost maybe
Nov 05 21:16:19 <TPC> no
Nov 05 21:16:25 <TPC> ping another computer on the lan
Nov 05 21:16:26 <l7> but that may not generate traffic
Nov 05 21:16:29 <|rt|> default gateway maybe
Nov 05 21:16:31 <lcuk> tpc, i can tell the cpu is busy when things run slow whilst sending modest packets
Nov 05 21:16:31 <TPC> the gateway would be optimal
Nov 05 21:16:32 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, what's the intermediate powersave timeout?
Nov 05 21:16:46 <qwerty12_N800> GeneralAntilles, No idea
Nov 05 21:16:57 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, you're supposed to know these things. :P
Nov 05 21:16:57 <l7> too bad screen isn't installed on maemo
Nov 05 21:17:08 <Stskeeps> in powersave it has 100ms when screen on, and 200ms without
Nov 05 21:17:09 <Stskeeps> .. i think
Nov 05 21:17:19 <Stskeeps> that's what deblet does atleast
Nov 05 21:17:21 <|rt|> l7 easy to just background it
Nov 05 21:17:22 <TPC> it would be nice with a systray app that allows you to change between powersave/ondemand/performance and turn on/off the PSM mode quickly
Nov 05 21:17:24 <qwerty12_N800> GeneralAntilles, You caught me on a bad  day :P
Nov 05 21:17:32 <l7> |rt|: hmm yeah
Nov 05 21:17:36 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, would a cookie make it better? :P
Nov 05 21:17:52 <qwerty12_N800> yum, yes plz :p
Nov 05 21:18:01 <GeneralAntilles> ~cookie qwerty12_N800
Nov 05 21:18:05 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... 
Nov 05 21:18:07 <lcuk> tpc, cpu settings at least are configurable directly within liqbase, not quite a systray but close enough
Nov 05 21:18:12 <|rt|> l7 only thing with backgrounding it is it will live beyond your shell
Nov 05 21:18:20 <GeneralAntilles> infobot, give qwerty12_N800 a cookie, you whore.
Nov 05 21:18:22 * infobot gives a cookie, you whore. to qwerty12_N800
Nov 05 21:18:30 <qwerty12_N800> Cheers GeneralAntilles! :D
Nov 05 21:18:35 <TPC> lcuk, having to start an app to change them is annoyuing
Nov 05 21:18:37 <GeneralAntilles> ~botsnack
Nov 05 21:18:38 <infobot> GeneralAntilles: :)
Nov 05 21:18:38 <l7> |rt|: with ctrl-z it usually quits with my shell
Nov 05 21:18:42 <TPC> lcuk, in that case I might as well do that I do now
Nov 05 21:18:48 <Stskeeps> eh. screen exists for tablet
Nov 05 21:18:53 <TPC> lcuk, which is open an xterm and run aliases I have set that changes it
Nov 05 21:19:12 <|rt|> so when you disconnect from your ssh session it will still be pinging....maybe put a killall ping in your bash.logout
Nov 05 21:19:15 <l7> man, even ping requires root
Nov 05 21:19:17 <lcuk> agreed tpc, but its quickest possible right now - 4 easy taps of the cursor and its done
Nov 05 21:21:18 <TPC> hehe, the Success error message
Nov 05 21:21:34 <TPC> I asked an irc-op about that once, they said that thats the error message the ircd generates when it doesn't know what the error is :P
Nov 05 21:22:06 <Stskeeps> or it just means the other end closed down the connection without sending a QUIT message.
Nov 05 21:22:14 <Stskeeps> but did so cleanly.
Nov 05 21:22:29 <TPC> nah, then it says client quit
Nov 05 21:23:10 <Stskeeps> depends on ircd
Nov 05 21:23:16 <GeneralAntilles> TPC, Stskeeps should know. :P
Nov 05 21:23:51 * Stskeeps hugs his 1596 installations.
Nov 05 21:24:37 * RST38h yawns
Nov 05 21:25:51 <TPC> well, it does on freenode at least
Nov 05 21:25:53 <TPC> and on the IRC I run too
Nov 05 21:25:57 <TPC> IRCD*
Nov 05 21:26:08 <Stskeeps> type and version?
Nov 05 21:26:31 <TPC> unrealircd, don't remember the exact version number
Nov 05 21:26:41 <Stskeeps> type /info for me will you? :P
Nov 05 21:26:52 <Stskeeps> (on your net)
Nov 05 21:27:20 <Stskeeps> or /quote info depending on your client..
Nov 05 21:27:29 <TPC> 3.2.7
Nov 05 21:27:57 <Stskeeps> wasn't talking about that part :)
Nov 05 21:28:25 <TPC> oh, I see what you mean :)
Nov 05 21:38:04 <cbx33> hey
Nov 05 21:38:18 <cbx33> is it possible to run an app on the nokia, but get it to display on an external X server
Nov 05 21:38:26 <cbx33> I tried running up Xephyr
Nov 05 21:38:32 <cbx33> and setting the DISPLAY variable
Nov 05 21:38:36 <cbx33> but it didn't work
Nov 05 21:40:56 <TPC> ssh forwarding?
Nov 05 21:41:22 <TPC> or xpra maybe?
Nov 05 21:41:41 <TPC> http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra
Nov 05 21:57:14 <cbx33> no
Nov 05 21:57:21 <cbx33> ssh forwarding no joy
Nov 05 21:57:28 <cbx33> it's like they've been forced to local only
Nov 05 21:58:24 <TPC> edit the sshd config then and disable that
Nov 05 21:58:26 <|rt|> or xforwarding is disabled by default
Nov 05 21:59:14 <Gracana> I can X forward /to/ my tablet, never tried x-forwarding out.
Nov 05 21:59:21 <Gracana> s/out/from
Nov 05 21:59:51 <qwerty12_N800> it didn't work well for me when i tried it but i didn't start a new sapwood server at the time: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/N800XForwarding-test.png
Nov 05 22:00:58 <|rt|> looks like X11Forwarding is set to yes on /etc/ssh/sshd_config
Nov 05 22:01:04 <cyrus__> Does the N810 run on a omap1 or omap2 processor
Nov 05 22:01:38 <GAN800> 2
Nov 05 22:01:46 <cyrus__> ty
Nov 05 22:03:53 <|rt|> hehe odd when I ssh into my tablet even with X forwarding on it's running the applications on the tablet....I haven't checked what the display is set to though
Nov 05 22:05:24 <TPC> I've never done ssh forwarding that way around
Nov 05 22:05:36 <TPC> but I've done it several times running apps from my desktop comp on the N800
Nov 05 22:05:48 <Veggen> rt: I think it sets the display explicitely in the .profile or such.
Nov 05 22:05:59 <l7> hmm, funny how having idle applications keeps the processor for cycling down
Nov 05 22:06:32 <|rt|> well i was just poking around after cbx33's questions
Nov 05 22:07:06 <cbx33> |rt|, I tried changing DISPLAY
Nov 05 22:07:09 <cbx33> didn't work
Nov 05 22:07:46 <|rt|> yeah I did the same thing....no dice
Nov 05 22:07:52 <l7> is it possible to force the cpu to cycle down?
Nov 05 22:08:12 <TPC> are you running ssh with -X?
Nov 05 22:08:18 <cbx33> yes
Nov 05 22:08:23 <TPC> l7, yes, in a terminal
Nov 05 22:08:34 <l7> TPC what is the command?
Nov 05 22:08:36 <|rt|> TPC yeah I connected to it with -X here
Nov 05 22:08:36 <cbx33> and I just set the DISPLAY after logging in with -X and it still doesn't work
Nov 05 22:09:03 <TPC> -X should set the display automagically
Nov 05 22:09:09 <cbx33> it _should_
Nov 05 22:09:28 <TPC> l7, I have these aliases set:
Nov 05 22:09:29 <|rt|> TPC it was set to 0:0 by default and was running the apps on the tablet's screen
Nov 05 22:09:41 <TPC> alias performance='su -c '\''echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'\'''
Nov 05 22:09:45 <TPC> alias ondemand='su -c '\''echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'\'''
Nov 05 22:09:49 <TPC> alias powersave='su -c '\''echo powersave > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor'\'''
Nov 05 22:10:11 <TPC> performance = max cpu always, ondemand = change dynamically, default mode, powersave = always use min cpu
Nov 05 22:10:41 <l7> TPC: ah very nice
Nov 05 22:11:25 <TPC> there are some other files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ that you may want to check out
Nov 05 22:11:37 <l7> it would be nice if nokia integrated those three  options into the battery icon
Nov 05 22:11:46 <TPC> indeed
Nov 05 22:11:58 <l7> apple gives you those basic options in OS X
Nov 05 22:12:31 <TPC> its getting late, time to turn off the screen I think
Nov 05 22:13:18 <cbx33> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-3150.html
Nov 05 22:13:24 <cbx33> regarding X forwarding
Nov 05 22:15:50 <GAN800> l7, 'adv-power' is on my list of projects to find somebody to develop. ;)
Nov 05 22:15:58 <l7> how strange, there's a .bashrc file in root even though i never installed bash
Nov 05 22:16:03 <l7> GAN800: ah nice :)
Nov 05 22:17:35 <lcuk> GAN800, it would be really nice indeed to have something profile based, not just for cpu, but brightness/volume/cpu/network
Nov 05 22:17:50 <GAN800> Harmattan
Nov 05 22:17:53 <lcuk> acmonitor on steroids
Nov 05 22:18:08 <l7> TPC: not sure that alias works on busybox
Nov 05 22:18:11 <lcuk> why so long? im already half way along
Nov 05 22:18:13 <l7> i guess i have to install bash after all
Nov 05 22:18:19 <qwerty12_N800> with ssh x forwarding, here's what i did but themes are messed: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=220361&postcount=8
Nov 05 22:18:37 <TPC> l7, maybe not, I have bash installed, but its probably just a small modification to make it work
Nov 05 22:18:51 <GAN800> lcuk, because it's not a high-priority issue and infinite manpower isn't a thing yet.
Nov 05 22:18:56 <l7> i'll see if it works under bash
Nov 05 22:19:08 <l7> i was wondering if busybox might perform faster
Nov 05 22:19:37 <lcuk> well we know that, but if we only coded for high priorities we would get nowhere
Nov 05 22:19:55 <GAN800> um
Nov 05 22:20:09 <GAN800> You're misunderstanding the definition of priority
Nov 05 22:20:19 <GAN800> (in this context)
Nov 05 22:20:29 <lcuk> and since your high and mine are different the chances of someone getting off their arses soon are high
Nov 05 22:20:48 <lcuk> i see LOTS of people moaning about the cpu and coming up with ways to do it
Nov 05 22:21:02 <GAN800> lcuk, find somebody to step up and get coding if it's something that really interests you.
Nov 05 22:21:02 <lcuk> its only a hop skip and a jump before someone takes a desktop applet and does it
Nov 05 22:21:10 <lcuk> i already did
Nov 05 22:21:25 <lcuk> me
Nov 05 22:21:27 <lcuk> it works
Nov 05 22:21:53 <lcuk> tpc has his own solution
Nov 05 22:22:06 <lcuk> someone else will do it with a real icon soon
Nov 05 22:22:30 <TPC> if there was perl bindings for hildon I would have done it already :P
Nov 05 22:22:35 <dksaarth> Hi guys - I'm trying to get an emulator / sandbox version of maemo going - i'm following the guide at http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html, and am at the stage "sudo maemo-tools install etch" Unfortunatly one of the package downloads times out, and when i restart it it wants to download the whole lot again
Nov 05 22:22:36 <GAN800> Which is the wonderful thing about open source communities
Nov 05 22:22:40 <dksaarth> is there a way to restart it ?
Nov 05 22:22:43 <lcuk> yes gan
Nov 05 22:22:59 <GAN800> Expecting Nokia's priorities to align with your own is silly, though.
Nov 05 22:23:03 <dksaarth> (downloading 150+ megs twice tonight already, on a 384k line....not fun :)
Nov 05 22:23:06 <lcuk> agreed gan
Nov 05 22:23:15 <lcuk> it sounded like you were waiting for nokia to build it for us
Nov 05 22:23:40 <GAN800> lcuk, never. :)
Nov 05 22:23:47 <lcuk> :) good
Nov 05 22:23:50 <lcuk> heh
Nov 05 22:24:10 <lcuk> i wonder what rm is doing with himself at the moment ...
Nov 05 22:24:26 <GeneralAntilles> I'm going to tie him in front of a computer soon.
Nov 05 22:24:42 <lcuk> i have a feeling hes already there :)
Nov 05 22:25:12 <GeneralAntilles> It's gonna be Clockwork Orange, but he's gonna code statusbar applets instead.
Nov 05 22:25:26 <lcuk> how do you know hes not already?
Nov 05 22:25:39 <GeneralAntilles> Because he's not here. :P
Nov 05 22:25:52 <TPC> send him to the IIS or something, and take away the rescue pod they have
Nov 05 22:25:53 <lcuk> others are missing also - are they not coding either?
Nov 05 22:25:57 <TPC> then connect it to the internet
Nov 05 22:26:00 <TPC> :P
Nov 05 22:26:04 <GeneralAntilles> Unlikely
Nov 05 22:26:16 <GeneralAntilles> They may be coding, but they're not coding for Maemo.
Nov 05 22:28:25 <dksaarth> any advice on restarting the tool install with the already downloaded apt packages ?
Nov 05 22:28:49 <lcuk> dksaarth, ouch
Nov 05 22:29:05 <lcuk> i dunno though, ive only ever downloaded an all in one vmware image
Nov 05 22:29:16 <lcuk> well it was 2 files but you get the idea
Nov 05 22:29:24 <dksaarth> aah yeah
Nov 05 22:29:32 <dksaarth> should have thought of that ;)
Nov 05 22:29:44 <lcuk> i think its over 1gb
Nov 05 22:29:54 <dksaarth> or not then :)
Nov 05 22:30:14 <lcuk> heh, do you know which file/repo its trying to connect to
Nov 05 22:30:49 <dksaarth> it doesn't seem to be the repo, but my connection - failed on two files the first time, then the second time round failed on one tiny little file which downloaded fine the first time
Nov 05 22:34:41 <l7> https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_stereo_audio_with_XMMS has an interesting power script
Nov 05 22:40:48 <mib_hjumvf> hi all
Nov 05 22:41:27 <mib_hjumvf> I will fly to spain tommorow, how can I use my N800 as a gps? I got a bluetooth gps
Nov 05 22:41:52 <mib_hjumvf> how can I install navicore?
Nov 05 22:42:49 <l7> how can i check my tablet's current processor speed from the terminal?
Nov 05 22:42:52 <dksaarth> Anybody got any advice on resuming the tool installation ?
Nov 05 22:43:26 <l7> there's a CPU speed applet, but it doesn't seem too accurate
Nov 05 22:44:25 <mib_hjumvf> l7: does cat /proc/cpuinfo help
Nov 05 22:44:26 <mib_hjumvf> ?
Nov 05 22:45:09 <l7> mib_hjumvf: ah neat, it says BogoMIPS        : 164.36
Nov 05 22:45:19 <StsN800> l7, cpufreq, /sys somewhere
Nov 05 22:45:36 <StsN800> bogomips isn't current
Nov 05 22:45:39 <l7> oh
Nov 05 22:46:18 <mib_hjumvf> I guess my question was not that good
Nov 05 22:46:43 <mib_hjumvf> still, I seek any current advice on how to navigate using maemo
Nov 05 22:47:03 <l7> maybe it's /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
Nov 05 22:47:55 <StsN800> mib_hjumvf, maemo mapper
Nov 05 22:48:17 <StsN800> cache maps
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Nov 05 22:48:42 <mib_hjumvf> StsN800: I need POI and voice guidence
Nov 05 22:48:51 <mib_hjumvf> I want to pay and buy
Nov 05 22:48:55 <StsN800> ah.
Nov 05 22:49:05 <mib_hjumvf> just aint sure what it is called
Nov 05 22:49:29 <cyrus__> is there a way to disable the boot splash screen (holding hands) as the kernel boots so that you can see the messages?
Nov 05 22:49:39 <Proteous> nothing easy
Nov 05 22:49:47 <qwerty12_N800> from the application manager, it's called map
Nov 05 22:49:58 <zakkm> How would i fix Application Manager
Nov 05 22:50:06 <mib_hjumvf> qwerty12_N800: right
Nov 05 22:50:11 <zakkm> it said something like lock file/folder not found
Nov 05 22:50:20 <mib_hjumvf> I think I uninstalled it back
Nov 05 22:50:25 <zakkm> var/lib/lock.new/list not found?
Nov 05 22:50:28 <zakkm> directory not found
Nov 05 22:50:30 <mib_hjumvf> is "map
Nov 05 22:50:45 <mib_hjumvf> is map the program I can buy maps from nokia?
Nov 05 22:52:29 <l7> interesting, media player takes about twice as long to load on powersave compared to performance
Nov 05 22:52:35 <l7> 12 sec vs 6 sec
Nov 05 22:52:54 <zakkm> I was told earlier today, ondemand is best.
Nov 05 22:53:03 <StsN800> powersave isnt exactly speedy..
Nov 05 22:53:06 <l7> yeah for most things
Nov 05 22:54:07 <GeneralAntilles> I don't get the netbook market.
Nov 05 22:54:10 <l7> powersave seems like it would be handy for leaving the tablet in standby
Nov 05 22:54:15 <GeneralAntilles> If it's not pocketable, it's basically worthless for me.
Nov 05 22:54:18 <l7> w/o quitting your apps
Nov 05 22:54:31 <l7> i want a netbook actually
Nov 05 22:54:48 <zakkm> the battery life is good
Nov 05 22:54:49 <l7> if you're a student, it's very handy
Nov 05 22:54:51 <zakkm> and it fits in backpacks beter
Nov 05 22:55:04 <l7> if you drive everywhere though, i suppose a regular laptop works just as well
Nov 05 22:55:04 <zakkm> most of the ppl in my grade ( grade 12 ) have netbooks
Nov 05 22:56:30 <GeneralAntilles> l7, sure, having one is one thing
Nov 05 22:56:38 <GeneralAntilles> But some people see them as tablet replacements
Nov 05 22:56:41 <GeneralAntilles> which I just don't get
Nov 05 22:56:42 <zakkm> If i boot from SD, is the internal flash still accessible?
Nov 05 22:57:02 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, you can mount it, but it doesn't automatically mount by default.
Nov 05 22:57:10 <l7> GeneralAntilles: they're handy for typing on
Nov 05 22:57:26 <zakkm> oh okay
Nov 05 22:57:30 <l7> comapred to a tablet
Nov 05 22:57:30 <zakkm> too lazy then
Nov 05 22:57:45 <zakkm> i was thinking cause the systemui.xml is fine on normal flash.. but not on SD booting
Nov 05 22:57:48 <l7> guess it really depends on your specific application though
Nov 05 22:57:50 <zakkm> so i was thinking of mv'ing it
Nov 05 22:58:13 <qwerty12_N800> mkdir /mnt/flash ; mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt/flash/  - should do it afaicr
Nov 05 22:58:33 <dksaarth> Anybody got any advice on resuming a tool installation ?
Nov 05 22:58:46 <zakkm> im charging my nokia, :P i need to get wifi :(
Nov 05 22:58:56 <zakkm> How long does it take to crack a WPA key vs a WEP key?
Nov 05 22:59:15 <qwerty12_N800> to run mkdir & mount? ;P
Nov 05 22:59:26 <zakkm> no
Nov 05 22:59:32 <zakkm> so i can fix package manager
Nov 05 22:59:35 <zakkm> apt-get is broken -.-
Nov 05 23:00:18 <l7> okay, this is rather strange, the CPU speed applet and cpuinfo_cur_freq don't always present the same data
Nov 05 23:00:39 <GeneralAntilles> l7, it's probably polling
Nov 05 23:00:47 <GeneralAntilles> I doubt there's a dbus signal to track.
Nov 05 23:01:05 <mib_hjumvf> well, good night
Nov 05 23:01:12 <mib_hjumvf> thanks
Nov 05 23:01:14 <l7> GeneralAntilles: yeah it's doing it a bit strangely
Nov 05 23:01:39 <l7> in ondemand mode even after a fresh reboot, it reports the CPU speed at 400 most of the time
Nov 05 23:02:12 <l7> even when cpuinfo_cur_freq says it's 165
Nov 05 23:02:38 <zakkm> thats what ondemand does doesnt it?
Nov 05 23:02:49 <l7> the data agrees when it set the tablet on performance or powersave
Nov 05 23:02:54 <zakkm> it raises and lowers cpu depending on demand :P
Nov 05 23:02:55 <l7> s/it/i
Nov 05 23:03:16 * qwerty12_N800 feels like throwing in the dsp factor too for fun to add to the cpu speed confusion ;P 
Nov 05 23:03:33 <l7> zakkm: this is right after a reboot though.  there shouldn't be other programs wasting cpu cycles
Nov 05 23:03:40 <l7> and therefor my battery :\
Nov 05 23:03:47 <zakkm> but when you switched
Nov 05 23:03:52 <zakkm> it took cpu to change
Nov 05 23:04:02 <zakkm> when you switched apps to see the "400"
Nov 05 23:04:17 <l7> er, i didn't switch apps
Nov 05 23:04:33 <l7> the cpu speed app just sits on the desktop
Nov 05 23:05:04 <l7> i do cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
Nov 05 23:05:10 <l7> to fetch the other data point
Nov 05 23:05:28 <Proteous> WEP is trivial to crack, it's broken, WPA it still sort of time consuming
Nov 05 23:06:05 <Proteous> WEP can be cracked in a very short amount of time if you have an active access point or an AP that can be tricked into creating data
Nov 05 23:06:49 <zakkm> how long does WPA take?
Nov 05 23:06:56 <zakkm> on the nokia?
Nov 05 23:06:56 <zakkm> roughly
Nov 05 23:07:00 <zakkm> lets say 75% signal?
Nov 05 23:07:04 <zakkm> 75-100
Nov 05 23:08:11 <Proteous> hah, forever
Nov 05 23:08:22 <zakkm> really?
Nov 05 23:08:25 <Proteous> yeah
Nov 05 23:08:28 <zakkm> nevermind then
Nov 05 23:08:43 <Proteous> well, unless they used an easy password that you can brute force with a good password list
Nov 05 23:08:51 <zakkm> how long then?
Nov 05 23:08:54 <zakkm> is it worth trying?
Nov 05 23:09:07 <zakkm> bruteforce would take ages wouldnt it
Nov 05 23:09:14 <zakkm> like YEARS +
Nov 05 23:09:32 <Proteous> depends on how strong of a password was picked
Nov 05 23:09:59 <Proteous> like if you tried to brute force my WPA2 passpharase it would take untill the heat death of the universe
Nov 05 23:10:08 <zakkm> yeah thats what i mean
Nov 05 23:10:08 <Proteous> it's sorta long
Nov 05 23:10:22 <zakkm> i dont want anything longer than like 2-3 days
Nov 05 23:11:07 <Proteous> well, the hardest part would be finding/writing the required program to do this
Nov 05 23:11:19 <Proteous> since there aren't any  at the moment
Nov 05 23:11:26 <Proteous> for the nokia tablets at least
Nov 05 23:12:17 <Proteous> since the wifi stuff is closed source people haven't been able to write the injection drivers needed to easily break wep
Nov 05 23:14:31 <l7> hmm, putting the tablet in offline mode with no desktop apps or load applet makes the cpu speed
Nov 05 23:14:35 <l7>             appear to be 165 most of the time
Nov 05 23:14:49 <l7> though it spikes to 400 every 5-10 seconds
Nov 05 23:18:25 <l7> i wonder if it was loadapplet that was wasting CPU cycles
Nov 05 23:19:24 <StsN800> possible
Nov 05 23:20:37 <l7> is there a program for tracking the cpu speed's history?
Nov 05 23:21:25 <l7> i can tell now that the CPU speed stays at 165 most of the time and cycles to 400 every 10 seconds or so which seems healthy
Nov 05 23:21:42 <l7> but of course, the polling from the speed applet could be wasting cycles too
Nov 05 23:24:57 <l7> ah advanced backlight control is sweet
Nov 05 23:25:17 <l7> now i can get rid of the display and sound icons from the status bar
Nov 05 23:25:48 <l7> cpu load applet did cause the processor to cycle to 400 more often
Nov 05 23:26:20 <l7> it's on 165 for 10 seconds then 400 for about 5
Nov 05 23:26:49 <johnx_> that's a little high
Nov 05 23:26:58 <johnx_> does top say anything is running?
Nov 05 23:27:23 <l7> actually 165 for 10-19 seconds and 400 for 5 to 10
Nov 05 23:28:13 <l7> johnx_: that's the thing though, top is the only thing that uses CPU... aside from maemo-launcher
Nov 05 23:28:32 <l7> maemo launcher is using 0.9 mostly
Nov 05 23:29:11 <l7> Xomap uses 0.1 to 0.5 too
Nov 05 23:29:33 <l7> i'm assuming this funny version of top always sorts by CPU speed
Nov 05 23:31:26 <johnx_> that shouldn't be enough to trigger the the speed-up for cpufreq
Nov 05 23:32:06 <l7> maybe my method of measurement isn't that great
Nov 05 23:32:41 <l7> considering i'm using the homecpuspeed
Nov 05 23:32:46 <l7> apple from extras
Nov 05 23:32:51 <l7> is there a better way to get measurements?
Nov 05 23:34:16 <l7> i guess the best proof might be to see how long the tablet lasts on idle with wifi on
Nov 05 23:34:46 <l7> or i could reflash and see if it lasts longer
Nov 05 23:42:35 <johnx_> do you have a lot of those home* applets running?
Nov 05 23:44:24 <l7> just the one for cpu speed and hard drive space
Nov 05 23:44:39 <l7> the hard drive space one should not poll very frequently if it's done right
Nov 05 23:44:53 <l7> also OM weather
Nov 05 23:45:48 <johnx_> the cpu speed one might poll frequently enough to cause problems
Nov 05 23:46:10 <l7> yeah, i was wondering if there was a better way to monitor cpu speed
Nov 05 23:46:21 <johnx_> not really I think
Nov 05 23:46:24 <l7> or get a graph, short of installing KDE
Nov 05 23:46:47 <l7> i guess that gives me an excuse to figure out SD booting and install KDE
Nov 05 23:47:41 <l7> hrm, maybe it was OM weather
Nov 05 23:48:04 <l7> after i let it update it's weather data the tablet is sitting at 165 solidly
Nov 05 23:48:15 <cyrus__> Question regarding the n810 kernel source. Is the kernel source avaialble from Nokia a stock 2.6.21 with the omap patches (from muru.com) applied. Or are there additional changes that Nokia has done?
Nov 05 23:49:35 <l7> nevermind i update it again and it cycles up to 400 again
Nov 05 23:51:46 <cyrus__> Question regarding the n810 kernel source. Is the kernel source avaialble from Nokia a stock 2.6.21 with the omap patches (from muru.com) applied. Or are there additional changes that Nokia has done?
Nov 05 23:53:20 <johnx_> cyrus__, We saw that the first time you sent it.
Nov 05 23:53:45 <johnx_> why not just download the kernel source and diff it?
Nov 06 00:08:30 <dksaarth> whew
Nov 06 00:08:42 <dksaarth> hacked a couple of scripts, and got my install tools to resume
Nov 06 00:15:57 <zakkm> How big is Deblet?
Nov 06 00:16:04 <zakkm> Filesize
Nov 06 00:16:31 <zakkm> or easy debian ( prefer deblet though )
Nov 06 00:16:54 <GeneralAntilles> Depends on what you install.
Nov 06 00:17:36 <zakkm> the base
Nov 06 00:17:45 <zakkm> and what does it come with?
Nov 06 00:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> Depends on what you install
Nov 06 00:18:03 <zakkm> not counting browser , openoffice nothing
Nov 06 00:18:05 <zakkm> the "install" deb?
Nov 06 00:18:18 <GeneralAntilles> The .deb installs an installer
Nov 06 00:18:28 <GeneralAntilles> Then you have a number of different options from there
Nov 06 00:18:37 <GeneralAntilles> With a working DE, probably 400MB
Nov 06 00:21:18 <zakkm> not DE
Nov 06 00:21:24 <zakkm> before DE
Nov 06 00:21:31 <zakkm> just base and X
Nov 06 00:21:40 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe 250MB?
Nov 06 00:21:46 <GeneralAntilles> It wont fit on the rootfs.
Nov 06 00:21:48 <zakkm> oh sweet
Nov 06 00:21:51 <zakkm> i can do that tonight
Nov 06 00:21:53 <zakkm> yeah, i got a 4gb SDHC
Nov 06 00:23:36 <zakkm> going to buy another either tomorrow, or this weekend ( get paid tomorrow )
Nov 06 00:26:21 <zakkm> is kde358 PBv4 CODENAME ZELDA, any quick ?
Nov 06 00:26:36 <zakkm> is it worth using to show a friend kde?
Nov 06 00:28:20 <zakkm> how would i fix a broken APT , on maemo?
Nov 06 00:28:44 <johnx> define "broken"
Nov 06 00:28:57 <zakkm> i get a folder not found, in application manager log
Nov 06 00:29:03 <zakkm> onesec ill write it down exactly
Nov 06 00:30:17 <zakkm> apt-worker: can't remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock: not a directory , E: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lkock - (20 not a directory ) E: unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
Nov 06 00:30:39 <zakkm> at one point it says
Nov 06 00:31:18 <zakkm> error on line 1 char 1 , document was empty or contained only whitespace
Nov 06 00:31:34 <zakkm> (/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues <--- for last line )
Nov 06 00:36:45 <zakkm> I'm scared, i just rebooted my nokia
Nov 06 00:36:48 <zakkm> and its all White
Nov 06 00:36:51 <zakkm> like WSOD.
Nov 06 00:37:09 <johnx> n8x0 don't get WSOD
Nov 06 00:37:09 <GeneralAntilles> N800s don't WSOD
Nov 06 00:37:14 <zakkm> i said like
Nov 06 00:37:16 <zakkm> i didnt say it is
Nov 06 00:37:17 <zakkm> -.-
Nov 06 00:37:22 <zakkm> im just describing the situation
Nov 06 00:37:25 <johnx> just trying to reassure you :)
Nov 06 00:37:33 <zakkm> I know i am aware
Nov 06 00:37:37 <zakkm> i had a wsod'd 770
Nov 06 00:37:44 <zakkm> i turned it off, turnedit on
Nov 06 00:37:49 <zakkm> it said booting from mmc2 for agess
Nov 06 00:37:52 <zakkm> so i took out battery
Nov 06 00:37:53 <zakkm> put back in
Nov 06 00:37:58 <zakkm> and its total white
Nov 06 00:38:51 <zakkm> What should i do? :(
Nov 06 00:39:04 <johnx> unplug power and batter
Nov 06 00:39:20 <johnx> s/batter/battery/
Nov 06 00:39:21 <infobot> johnx meant: unplug power and battery
Nov 06 00:39:53 <johnx> put in battery, then plug in the charger and boot to flash
Nov 06 00:39:59 <zakkm> wait now its fine xd
Nov 06 00:40:07 <zakkm> haha
Nov 06 00:40:13 <johnx> if I had to guess I'd say there is some corruption on your sd card's fs
Nov 06 00:40:15 <zakkm> sorry, got really scared :(
Nov 06 00:40:22 <zakkm> i just bought it?
Nov 06 00:40:23 <zakkm> lol
Nov 06 00:40:25 <zakkm> its like 3 days old
Nov 06 00:40:54 <zakkm> what the, it said 8 days idle before in SD mode, now it says 10 days in flash mode ?;p
Nov 06 00:41:12 <zakkm> can my SD really take that much power consumption?
Nov 06 00:41:17 <johnx> it said 8 days on a full charge?
Nov 06 00:41:23 <zakkm> yeah
Nov 06 00:41:26 <zakkm> no
Nov 06 00:41:29 <zakkm> its not fully charged
Nov 06 00:41:31 <zakkm> its close though
Nov 06 00:41:42 <zakkm> but in flash now it says 10 days.. 10min ago in SD it said 8 days
Nov 06 00:41:50 <zakkm> (flash cant read SD card)
Nov 06 00:42:44 <johnx> the battery charge meter isn't really accurate
Nov 06 00:42:53 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 06 00:42:54 <johnx> don't read too much into it
Nov 06 00:42:57 <zakkm> its a A-DATA 4GB SDHC class 6, 22mb read / 10mb write
Nov 06 00:43:07 <zakkm> im not
Nov 06 00:43:12 <zakkm> but why would the meter raise
Nov 06 00:43:21 <zakkm> yeah i think theres something wrong with my SD
Nov 06 00:43:22 <johnx> because. it's. not. accurate.
Nov 06 00:43:25 <zakkm> its not booting to it anymore
Nov 06 00:43:31 <johnx> yes. the fs is corrupted
Nov 06 00:43:35 <zakkm> its just stuck at "booting from mcc2
Nov 06 00:43:40 <zakkm> any uhh
Nov 06 00:43:43 <zakkm> fsck?
Nov 06 00:43:47 <johnx> exactly
Nov 06 00:44:00 <zakkm> i take that a yes?
Nov 06 00:44:00 <johnx> it's in e2fsprogs
Nov 06 00:44:12 <johnx> yes, you should run fsck on the card from flash
Nov 06 00:44:27 <zakkm> really
Nov 06 00:44:34 <zakkm> thought fsck would call on e2fsprogs
Nov 06 00:44:34 <johnx> yes, really
Nov 06 00:44:37 <zakkm> not be in it?
Nov 06 00:44:53 <johnx> e2fsprogs is a package, fsck is a command
Nov 06 00:44:58 <johnx> BTW, if you get another card, don't buy ADATA
Nov 06 00:45:03 <zakkm> lol
Nov 06 00:45:04 <zakkm> why not
Nov 06 00:45:05 <zakkm> it was cheap
Nov 06 00:45:06 <johnx> my 4GB A-DATA just died too
Nov 06 00:45:19 <johnx> I bet yours will be dead by the end of the month
Nov 06 00:45:26 <zakkm> k i wont buy again
Nov 06 00:45:30 <zakkm> im buying another 4gb
Nov 06 00:45:36 <zakkm> whats the command do i put
Nov 06 00:45:39 <l7> johnx: how long did it last?
Nov 06 00:45:39 <zakkm> im in flash now
Nov 06 00:45:43 <zakkm> SD is "internal"
Nov 06 00:45:49 <l7> i've had my 8gb adata for about a year now with no problems
Nov 06 00:45:53 <l7> granted fairly light usage
Nov 06 00:45:58 <zakkm> it was cheap and it had fast speeds
Nov 06 00:45:59 <zakkm> -.-
Nov 06 00:46:00 <johnx> l7, my 8GB is fine actually
Nov 06 00:46:02 <johnx> l7, less than a couple days
Nov 06 00:46:07 <zakkm> 4gb - $10.49 Canadian
Nov 06 00:46:08 <l7> whoa
Nov 06 00:46:09 <zakkm> bought instore
Nov 06 00:46:12 <l7> weird
Nov 06 00:46:14 <zakkm> seemed fast
Nov 06 00:46:15 <johnx> zakkm, fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1
Nov 06 00:46:20 <zakkm> johnx: thanks
Nov 06 00:46:26 <l7> maybe the batches vary
Nov 06 00:46:43 <johnx> maybe, but I bought mine in a pretty different location
Nov 06 00:46:56 <l7> where'd you get it?
Nov 06 00:47:01 <l7> i got mine from newegg
Nov 06 00:47:03 <johnx> Japan
Nov 06 00:47:04 <zakkm> fsck not found.
Nov 06 00:47:06 <l7> which is pretty standard
Nov 06 00:47:07 <l7> hrm
Nov 06 00:47:08 <zakkm> omg
Nov 06 00:47:10 <johnx> zakkm, install e2fsprogs
Nov 06 00:47:10 <zakkm> i dont have a root program
Nov 06 00:47:15 <johnx> ~rootsh
Nov 06 00:47:15 <zakkm> i have no wifi at home
Nov 06 00:47:16 <infobot> methinks rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Nov 06 00:47:26 <zakkm> i know
Nov 06 00:47:30 <zakkm> went through this about 7 hours ago
Nov 06 00:47:34 <zakkm> trying to fix something else
Nov 06 00:47:45 <l7> rootsh is in the extra repo iirc
Nov 06 00:47:49 <zakkm> k ill get the deb
Nov 06 00:47:49 <l7> extras
Nov 06 00:47:53 <zakkm> i have no wifi.
Nov 06 00:47:56 <l7> ouch
Nov 06 00:47:57 <johnx> I remember, I was there. I sent that before I saw you didn't have wifi
Nov 06 00:48:00 <l7> what did you do?
Nov 06 00:48:07 <zakkm> waitt
Nov 06 00:48:10 <zakkm> neighbor turned on wifi
Nov 06 00:48:16 <zakkm> turns it on like 20min a day -.-
Nov 06 00:48:23 <disco_stu> lol !!
Nov 06 00:48:23 <l7> heh
Nov 06 00:48:24 <zakkm> oh ya
Nov 06 00:48:29 <zakkm> gotta help me fix apt-get XD
Nov 06 00:48:32 <l7> you don't have your own wifi?
Nov 06 00:48:41 <zakkm> no
Nov 06 00:48:43 <zakkm> i thought we did
Nov 06 00:48:48 <johnx> the apt-get problem is on flash?
Nov 06 00:48:49 <zakkm> i only bought nokia less than a week ago mind you.
Nov 06 00:48:52 <zakkm> no,
Nov 06 00:48:55 <disco_stu> zakkm: dont you have a notebook ?
Nov 06 00:48:55 <zakkm> ohh its in extras
Nov 06 00:49:03 <zakkm> no
Nov 06 00:49:07 <zakkm> im 17 years old
Nov 06 00:49:09 <zakkm> i cant afford much
Nov 06 00:49:23 <disco_stu> with a notebook you can share its wireless conection
Nov 06 00:49:52 <johnx> zakkm, I know the feeling. :)
Nov 06 00:50:02 <zakkm> k downloading roosh
Nov 06 00:50:11 <zakkm> s/roosh/rootsh
Nov 06 00:50:25 <disco_stu> i'm 23 and i still cant afford much :D
Nov 06 00:50:35 <zakkm> damn i have to retype fsck
Nov 06 00:51:24 <zakkm> ok its done
Nov 06 00:51:39 <zakkm> checked clusters : 52554 ,,,,, /dev/mmcblk09p1: 92 files, 52554/61663 clusters
Nov 06 00:52:00 <johnx> did it fix anything?
Nov 06 00:52:06 <zakkm> i dont know, let me reboot
Nov 06 00:52:10 <johnx> wait
Nov 06 00:52:15 <zakkm> too late
Nov 06 00:52:20 <zakkm> wait
Nov 06 00:52:21 <zakkm> its off
Nov 06 00:52:24 <johnx> is your card split into more than one partition?
Nov 06 00:52:28 <zakkm> its uhh
Nov 06 00:52:31 <zakkm> "clone to SD" deb
Nov 06 00:52:34 <zakkm> install-deb
Nov 06 00:52:39 <zakkm> install-tools ?
Nov 06 00:52:46 <zakkm> penguinbait's
Nov 06 00:53:11 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice if penguinbait had put together a wizard or something instead of those evil debs.
Nov 06 00:53:30 <zakkm> i dont mind debs as long as they work :P
Nov 06 00:53:37 <GeneralAntilles> They scare me.
Nov 06 00:53:47 <johnx> ah well, once you're back in flash I'll help you figure out where everything's installed ...
Nov 06 00:53:51 <zakkm> you can tar them, cant you?
Nov 06 00:54:07 <zakkm> johnx: should i try boot from SD now? or boot into flash?
Nov 06 00:54:13 <zakkm> fsck finished , nokia is off
Nov 06 00:54:24 <johnx> you can try to boot from sd, but I think I told you to fsck the wrong parition
Nov 06 00:54:39 <johnx> no harm done, but it probably didn't fix anything :)
Nov 06 00:54:59 <zakkm> sounds like a gamble opprotunity here :D
Nov 06 00:55:13 <johnx> BTW, if anyone wants to see what happened to my adata 3GB SDHC card after a month of use: http://pastebin.com/m90f608f
Nov 06 00:55:24 <zakkm> 3gb card?
Nov 06 00:55:26 <zakkm> i never heard of that
Nov 06 00:55:33 <johnx> s/3GB/4GB/
Nov 06 00:55:34 <infobot> johnx meant: BTW, if anyone wants to see what happened to my adata 4GB SDHC card after a month of use: http://pastebin.com/m90f608f
Nov 06 00:55:40 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, no wonder it stopped working. :P
Nov 06 00:55:57 <johnx> heh, I'd be happy if I could still use 3GB of it
Nov 06 00:56:07 <zakkm> johnx: didnt help :P
Nov 06 00:56:11 <GeneralAntilles> I should mock up a bootmenu control panel. . . .
Nov 06 00:56:16 <disco_stu> with did it die ?
Nov 06 00:56:39 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, like the mac os x one?
Nov 06 00:56:42 <zakkm> generalantilles: add daemon add/remove support.
Nov 06 00:56:44 <zakkm> :P
Nov 06 00:56:53 <johnx> zakkm, that's already available
Nov 06 00:56:55 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, they already have that.
Nov 06 00:57:09 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, could be an option, how would you detect bootable partitions, though?
Nov 06 00:57:14 <zakkm> really?
Nov 06 00:57:23 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, easy, presence of /sbin/init
Nov 06 00:57:27 <zakkm> i tried removing stuff , everything fucked up and i had to reflash
Nov 06 00:57:28 <johnx> no init = not bootable
Nov 06 00:57:28 <zakkm> -.-
Nov 06 00:57:44 <zakkm> safe stuff lol
Nov 06 00:57:49 <zakkm> i am an old gentoo user
Nov 06 00:57:58 <zakkm> i removed bluetooth and stuff cause i dont have those -.-
Nov 06 00:58:14 <zakkm> like ubuntu , why did they add it as default -.-
Nov 06 00:58:24 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, actually, that's an interesting question (mostly because I don't know enough to know, not necessarily because it's actually interesting ;)), how automatic can we make the boot volume setup process?
Nov 06 00:58:24 <zakkm> okay johnx: whats next?
Nov 06 00:58:52 <johnx> zakkm, type this exactly: ls /dev/mmcblk0p?
Nov 06 00:58:57 <johnx> type the ? too :)
Nov 06 00:59:14 <zakkm> that would just see if theres files?
Nov 06 00:59:19 <zakkm> you telling me my SD is broken?
Nov 06 00:59:20 <zakkm> wtf
Nov 06 00:59:30 <johnx> zakkm, just tell me the output
Nov 06 00:59:44 <zakkm> typing, im slow
Nov 06 00:59:59 <johnx> it tells you about the partitions available on that sd card
Nov 06 01:00:03 <zakkm> 0p1 , 0p2 , 0p3
Nov 06 01:00:12 <zakkm> oh right, its /dev -.-
Nov 06 01:01:20 <zakkm> johnx: ?
Nov 06 01:01:25 <johnx> thinking...
Nov 06 01:01:26 <johnx> ...
Nov 06 01:01:31 <johnx> loading...
Nov 06 01:01:32 <zakkm> oh, sorry.
Nov 06 01:01:36 <zakkm> haha
Nov 06 01:01:39 <zakkm> "buffering"
Nov 06 01:01:48 <zakkm> my answer is buffering
Nov 06 01:02:53 <johnx> sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
Nov 06 01:03:14 <johnx> ^just lists the size of partitions^
Nov 06 01:03:44 <zakkm> sfdisk not found
Nov 06 01:04:00 <johnx> you need to be root
Nov 06 01:04:05 <zakkm> oh sorry
Nov 06 01:04:11 <zakkm> does rootsh let me do "sudo ___"
Nov 06 01:04:33 <johnx> yes, I think so
Nov 06 01:04:36 <johnx> sudo gainroot
Nov 06 01:05:10 <disco_stu> johnx: i have a doubt
Nov 06 01:05:19 <GeneralAntilles> No
Nov 06 01:05:20 <GeneralAntilles> sudser
Nov 06 01:05:48 <johnx> hmm? I just typed sudo gainroot and it worked
Nov 06 01:05:51 <zakkm> ah
Nov 06 01:05:53 <zakkm> it looks right
Nov 06 01:05:55 <disco_stu> my n800 is booting from its flash memory, and i'm running out of space to intsall new stuff, what can i do ?
Nov 06 01:06:11 <zakkm> it is right, i dont know what your looking for though
Nov 06 01:06:30 <zakkm> disco_stu: dont install to SD , one day it will break and then your screwed like me :(
Nov 06 01:06:31 <johnx> zakkm, I want to know which partition has your "boot from sd" filesystem
Nov 06 01:06:50 <zakkm> my guess is p1 , its the samllest
Nov 06 01:06:51 <zakkm> and the first
Nov 06 01:06:54 <johnx> disco_stu, you can boot from sd but sometimes that runs into problems with crappy cards
Nov 06 01:06:57 <zakkm> only fat16
Nov 06 01:07:04 <johnx> it's not p1 :)
Nov 06 01:07:21 <johnx> which one says it has a "Linux" fs on it? according to sfdisk
Nov 06 01:07:21 <zakkm> p3 = swap , p2 = linux ?
Nov 06 01:07:22 <disco_stu> johnx: what can i do, i dont want to boot from sd
Nov 06 01:07:26 <zakkm> p2
Nov 06 01:07:39 <johnx> disco_stu, delete some stuff to make room. how much space do you have left?
Nov 06 01:07:47 <zakkm> disco_stu: you could clone, and then mount the SD , for installed programs ?
Nov 06 01:07:48 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, thinking about it :)
Nov 06 01:07:54 <zakkm> mount the SD to /var only ?
Nov 06 01:07:56 <zakkm> or something
Nov 06 01:08:10 <disco_stu> 10mb
Nov 06 01:08:10 <zakkm> card in - all programs  card out - not all programs
Nov 06 01:08:15 <johnx> zakkm, so try fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p2
Nov 06 01:08:33 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I was trying to find the right control panel to take a screenshot of for the base and got sidetracked by this insanity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0-yDJAtWQ
Nov 06 01:08:41 <zakkm> starting to wish i had a n810 -.-
Nov 06 01:08:55 <johnx> disco_stu, did you delete and/or move the nokia manuals, pictures, music and video yet?
Nov 06 01:09:20 <zakkm> johnx: it replied "clean"
Nov 06 01:09:28 <zakkm> it didnt do anything.
Nov 06 01:09:37 <disco_stu> johnx: yes
Nov 06 01:10:02 <zakkm> disco_stu: open it up, replace the flash memory, clone it first though"
Nov 06 01:10:03 <disco_stu> i also killed /var/cache/apt/*
Nov 06 01:10:43 <zakkm> oh johnx
Nov 06 01:10:54 <zakkm> i have mmc2 which is the fat partition i believe
Nov 06 01:11:01 <zakkm> and playback from a vid on it is working fine
Nov 06 01:11:11 <johnx> ok
Nov 06 01:11:22 <johnx> that's not really related, but it's nice to hear I guess
Nov 06 01:11:27 <zakkm> lol
Nov 06 01:11:30 <zakkm> so its not p1 ? :P
Nov 06 01:11:35 <johnx> try fsck -a -f /dev/mmcblk0p2
Nov 06 01:11:36 <zakkm> p2 = fsck says its clean
Nov 06 01:11:40 <zakkm> okay
Nov 06 01:12:27 <zakkm> k its running
Nov 06 01:12:52 <zakkm> 0.6% non-contiguous
Nov 06 01:12:53 <zakkm> its done
Nov 06 01:13:10 <johnx> interesting
Nov 06 01:13:44 <zakkm> its just not booting, it doesnt seem corrupt in any way
Nov 06 01:13:53 <zakkm> the bootloader is going fine , for instance
Nov 06 01:14:04 <johnx> well, apt broke and then suddenly it doesn't boot. right?
Nov 06 01:14:12 <zakkm> yeah
Nov 06 01:14:22 <johnx> that's awfully suspicious, isn't it?
Nov 06 01:14:38 <zakkm> yeah but all this fsck stuff seems like its okay
Nov 06 01:14:47 <johnx> yeah, that has me confused too
Nov 06 01:15:02 <zakkm> i dont know anything besides fsck
Nov 06 01:15:17 <johnx> if it was me, I'd just backup anything I needed and reclone
Nov 06 01:15:24 <johnx> but it's your choice of course
Nov 06 01:15:30 <zakkm> last resort?
Nov 06 01:16:09 <johnx> well, there's other stuff you can try if you want to learn a lot about linux
Nov 06 01:16:25 <zakkm> i know linux, i just dont know the tablet
Nov 06 01:16:42 <disco_stu> why is neccessary to make a swap partition
Nov 06 01:16:48 <johnx> disco_stu, it isn't
Nov 06 01:16:49 <zakkm> virtual memory.
Nov 06 01:16:53 <disco_stu> the tablet creates a swap space
Nov 06 01:16:53 <zakkm> "extra ram"
Nov 06 01:17:03 <disco_stu> zakkm: i am an old linux user
Nov 06 01:17:04 <zakkm> it restarts i believe, if it runs out?
Nov 06 01:17:04 <disco_stu> :D
Nov 06 01:17:15 <disco_stu> i know what is swap for
Nov 06 01:17:18 <zakkm> boot from SD, swap partition? :P
Nov 06 01:17:18 <johnx> zakkm, ok, then disable the boot screen and enable fbcon and try and see where it fails to boot
Nov 06 01:17:21 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, user-friendly English l10n for a bootmenu control panel?
Nov 06 01:17:34 <zakkm> ew no
Nov 06 01:17:36 <zakkm> ill backup lol
Nov 06 01:17:40 <disco_stu> but i dont know why create a swap partition when the NIT is able to create swap space by herself
Nov 06 01:17:49 <johnx> zakkm, if you know linux, it's not that hard :)
Nov 06 01:17:53 <zakkm> lol
Nov 06 01:18:00 <zakkm> but i already had a wsod nokia n770 after two weeks
Nov 06 01:18:01 <zakkm> i cant risk it
Nov 06 01:18:10 <zakkm> at least computer harddrives , are easily changed
Nov 06 01:18:15 <zakkm> added to other pc, format.. etc
Nov 06 01:18:18 <zakkm> if i fail
Nov 06 01:18:35 <zakkm> i just said i dont know the device. I dont know what it has and doesnt has
Nov 06 01:18:38 <johnx> you can reflash if you mess up, but we're talking about messing with the fs on your sd card
Nov 06 01:18:49 <zakkm> to me a bootloader is either grub, lilo, windows or mac
Nov 06 01:19:05 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, Boot device?
Nov 06 01:19:16 <johnx> startup device?
Nov 06 01:19:19 <zakkm> yes but isnt the bootmenu on the flash?
Nov 06 01:19:24 <zakkm> and it adds the sd entry?
Nov 06 01:19:30 <GeneralAntilles> Apple uses Startup Disk
Nov 06 01:19:43 <zakkm> I have Mac :)
Nov 06 01:19:44 <johnx> zakkm, I guess I should say "diable the splash screen that shows up during boot"
Nov 06 01:19:46 <GeneralAntilles> Startup Device probably works
Nov 06 01:19:47 <zakkm> never going back XD
Nov 06 01:20:13 <zakkm> fine ill backup
Nov 06 01:20:23 <zakkm> is it worth dd'ing it onto my mac? and then dd'ing back ?
Nov 06 01:20:33 <zakkm> or should i just save files, and format ?
Nov 06 01:20:37 <zakkm> and reclone
Nov 06 01:21:09 <zakkm> +
Nov 06 01:21:14 <zakkm> johnx: so like verbose mode?
Nov 06 01:21:29 <johnx> basically. it will show you the boot messages this way, like gentoo :)
Nov 06 01:21:42 <zakkm> i boot mac osx in verbose mode tyvm :)
Nov 06 01:21:52 * GeneralAntilles briefly contemplates putting together a series of PSD mock-up templates.
Nov 06 01:22:03 <disco_stu> today i stole 15 mac addresses with mi nit
Nov 06 01:22:03 <johnx> heh...I used to admin 50 Macs and never booted them in verbose mode :)
Nov 06 01:22:31 <GeneralAntilles> I miss Open Firmware
Nov 06 01:22:34 <zakkm> but i like seeing it go so fast :D
Nov 06 01:22:50 <zakkm> im a speed addict, hence why i loved gentoo xd
Nov 06 01:22:59 <zakkm> yes i know the whole "gentoo isnt faster than any other distro.. blahblahblah"
Nov 06 01:23:07 * johnx pictures disco_stu bludgeoning open computer cases with his nit and grabbing EPROMs off of network adapters
Nov 06 01:23:36 <zakkm> okay, so am i dd'ing ?
Nov 06 01:23:40 <zakkm> would that help?
Nov 06 01:23:48 <johnx> probably not
Nov 06 01:23:56 <zakkm> so its the partition to blame?
Nov 06 01:24:05 <zakkm> dang, i installed so much
Nov 06 01:24:09 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 06 01:24:12 <zakkm> i only did it yesterday -.-
Nov 06 01:24:22 <disco_stu> johnx:  ettercap is my tool :)
Nov 06 01:24:26 <johnx> well if you're already doing it let it finish
Nov 06 01:24:48 <johnx> disco_stu, why are you "stealing" MAC addresses? O_o
Nov 06 01:25:05 <johnx> zakkm, actually, at this point I have no idea. You might as well try dd'ing it back
Nov 06 01:25:12 <disco_stu> johnx: because at college wifi is filetered by mac address
Nov 06 01:25:31 <disco_stu> so i you want to see a vid in youtube you may get banned
Nov 06 01:25:45 <zakkm> maybe that is why my skool internet doesnt work ?
Nov 06 01:25:47 <zakkm> in some places
Nov 06 01:25:49 <zakkm> mac filtering
Nov 06 01:26:02 <disco_stu> yes
Nov 06 01:26:16 <disco_stu> you can easily get someones mac address and spoof it
Nov 06 01:26:18 <zakkm> my school wifi doesnt work in like 25% of the places
Nov 06 01:26:25 <zakkm> its weird though
Nov 06 01:26:27 <zakkm> cause im in highschool
Nov 06 01:26:42 <zakkm> i dont know though, i connect though
Nov 06 01:26:44 <zakkm> but nothing works
Nov 06 01:27:59 <zakkm> johnx: so im just backing up files and recloning?
Nov 06 01:28:14 <zakkm> any chance i can backup installs too?
Nov 06 01:28:20 <zakkm> mac can read ext2
Nov 06 01:28:47 <johnx> the answer is something like "not easily"
Nov 06 01:28:53 <zakkm> ok
Nov 06 01:28:57 <zakkm> i guess im reinstalling everything -.-
Nov 06 01:29:03 <johnx> actually, hang on one sec
Nov 06 01:29:13 <zakkm> what the
Nov 06 01:29:17 <zakkm> folders became files?
Nov 06 01:29:39 <zakkm> on my pc they're files... yesterday they were shown as folders
Nov 06 01:29:44 <zakkm> "home" "etc" and all
Nov 06 01:29:55 <zakkm> "home" "etc" "media" "tmp"
Nov 06 01:30:19 <johnx> yeah, I think "something bad happened"
Nov 06 01:30:23 <zakkm> okay
Nov 06 01:30:27 <zakkm> i just lost all my files though
Nov 06 01:30:30 <zakkm> cause i cant view "home"
Nov 06 01:30:38 <zakkm>  ... /home***
Nov 06 01:30:48 <zakkm> lol
Nov 06 01:31:09 <johnx> can you open a terminal and run ls on that volume?
Nov 06 01:31:26 <zakkm> on my mac?
Nov 06 01:31:48 <johnx> yeah, that's fine
Nov 06 01:32:10 <zakkm> it seems to want to view the fat partition?
Nov 06 01:32:21 <disco_stu> johnx: how much space is needed to install kde on the nit ?
Nov 06 01:32:34 <zakkm> Mac's "get info" declares the right avaliable and used tohugh
Nov 06 01:32:36 <GeneralAntilles> 300MB?
Nov 06 01:32:40 <zakkm> format : Ext2 File System
Nov 06 01:32:46 <johnx> disco_stu, the info is on the kde page I think
Nov 06 01:32:49 <zakkm> kde3 or kde4? :P
Nov 06 01:32:53 <zakkm> how bad is kde4
Nov 06 01:33:09 <zakkm> i mean 400mhz arm9, 128mb ram .. seems like it would do kde4 reallyyyy bad
Nov 06 01:33:35 <zakkm> ah its okay
Nov 06 01:33:37 <zakkm> ill just format it all
Nov 06 01:33:48 <GeneralAntilles> ARM11
Nov 06 01:33:58 <zakkm> whatever :P
Nov 06 01:34:46 <zakkm> though its been long since i used kde4, supposely it got faster
Nov 06 01:35:18 <zakkm> unable to connect via USB, no memory card inserted
Nov 06 01:35:26 <zakkm> :(
Nov 06 01:36:06 <zakkm> did anyone port gparted? :D
Nov 06 01:38:33 <zakkm> time to clone :D
Nov 06 01:47:48 <zakkm> johnx: cloned, now reinstalling everything :(
Nov 06 01:57:10 <disco_stu> zakkm: what did you do ?
Nov 06 01:57:21 <disco_stu> clone the filesystem to the sd ?
Nov 06 01:57:31 <zakkm> yes
Nov 06 01:57:34 <disco_stu> what for ?
Nov 06 01:57:39 <zakkm> i have a 4gb card
Nov 06 01:57:41 <zakkm> i need 4gb of apps
Nov 06 01:57:46 <zakkm> the flash is too little space
Nov 06 01:57:50 <zakkm> and SD is faster
Nov 06 01:57:53 <zakkm> than normal flash
Nov 06 01:58:07 <disco_stu> in what slot you use the card ?
Nov 06 01:58:15 <zakkm> internal
Nov 06 01:58:40 <disco_stu> when you clone, you can still boot with the internal flash ?
Nov 06 01:58:45 <zakkm> yes
Nov 06 01:58:46 <zakkm> dualboots
Nov 06 01:59:00 <zakkm> theres a dualboot menu when you turn it on
Nov 06 01:59:12 <disco_stu> i think i'm going to flash my sd with ext3
Nov 06 01:59:13 <zakkm> first = flash, second = internal SD, 3rd = removable slot ..
Nov 06 01:59:21 <disco_stu> and symlink apps to that place
Nov 06 01:59:25 <zakkm> ext3 takes more cycles.
Nov 06 01:59:27 <zakkm> its journaled
Nov 06 01:59:37 <disco_stu> ok, ext2
Nov 06 01:59:48 <zakkm> no just saying thats why i think they dont use it
Nov 06 01:59:55 <zakkm> so the SD lasts longer
Nov 06 02:12:30 <zakkm> How is rtorrent for the nokia?
Nov 06 02:13:22 <GeneralAntilles> Just use Transmission?
Nov 06 02:14:04 <zakkm> i was thinking cpu usage
Nov 06 02:14:10 <zakkm> wouldnt it be lower?
Nov 06 02:14:27 <zakkm> just want to broaden my nokia app usage :P
Nov 06 02:20:52 <zakkm> is there a way to see repositories on my pc and then download and do some sort of "install all" ?
Nov 06 02:20:54 <zakkm> easily.
Nov 06 02:21:52 <disco_stu> zakkm: you can download debs
Nov 06 02:21:56 <disco_stu> and the with the tablet
Nov 06 02:22:05 <disco_stu> dpkg -i *.deb
Nov 06 02:24:21 <zakkm> uh, is the bluetooth daemon safe to remove?
Nov 06 02:24:45 <disco_stu> dont u use bluetooth ?
Nov 06 02:24:49 <zakkm> no
Nov 06 02:24:53 <zakkm> i have nothing bluetooth
Nov 06 02:24:55 <zakkm> im only 17 -.-
Nov 06 02:25:04 <disco_stu> dont u have friends ?
Nov 06 02:25:08 <l7> so is the n900 coming soon?
Nov 06 02:25:20 <zakkm> why would i need bluetooth for friends?
Nov 06 02:25:23 <zakkm> ?
Nov 06 02:25:44 <l7> maybe "do you have geek friends"?
Nov 06 02:26:12 <zakkm> yes but i never necessary need a file from them that urgently?
Nov 06 02:26:22 <l7> i dunno
Nov 06 02:26:30 <zakkm> I was also aware that the bluetotoh on it was just for keyboards/headsets i thought
Nov 06 02:26:42 <zakkm> no 17 year old uses bluetooth here -.-
Nov 06 02:26:47 <l7> bluetooth on cell phones is handy for "beaming" address cards around
Nov 06 02:26:57 <disco_stu> zakkm: where do u live, stone age ?
Nov 06 02:27:02 <zakkm> Toronto, ON
Nov 06 02:27:11 <l7> not sure how to do it on maemo though
Nov 06 02:27:30 <disco_stu> canadian boy
Nov 06 02:27:38 <zakkm> toronto boy.
Nov 06 02:27:55 <johnx> zakkm, it won't save you any memory or CPU time
Nov 06 02:28:01 <johnx> just turn off bt in the control panel
Nov 06 02:28:13 <zakkm> oh
Nov 06 02:28:19 <zakkm> i was looking at memory usage
Nov 06 02:28:21 <zakkm> not cpu
Nov 06 02:28:37 <zakkm> it is off in control panel, always has been
Nov 06 02:28:53 <l7> how much memory does it use?
Nov 06 02:28:53 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, what columns do you want for the control panel?
Nov 06 02:29:02 <zakkm> johnx: trying to redownload everything currently ;p
Nov 06 02:29:07 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, columns?
Nov 06 02:29:09 <GeneralAntilles> I've got an icon, a name, a device
Nov 06 02:29:23 <GeneralAntilles> s/ a//g
Nov 06 02:29:23 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: I've gotn icon, name, device
Nov 06 02:29:32 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: what you making?
Nov 06 02:29:37 <zakkm> what for*
Nov 06 02:29:42 <GeneralAntilles> Mockup of a bootmenu control panel.
Nov 06 02:30:05 <zakkm> oh
Nov 06 02:30:22 <disco_stu> zakkm: how much did you pay yout nit ?
Nov 06 02:30:25 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, how about: icon | name | partition | full-device-name
Nov 06 02:30:33 <zakkm> $145 cash.
Nov 06 02:30:43 <disco_stu> us dollars ?
Nov 06 02:30:47 <zakkm> Canadian
Nov 06 02:30:57 <zakkm> im in Canada, why would i pay US dollars?
Nov 06 02:31:08 <zakkm> :P
Nov 06 02:31:15 <disco_stu> baby i want to know to convert it to my local money
Nov 06 02:31:18 <disco_stu> doh
Nov 06 02:31:21 <zakkm> disco_stu: canadian boy
Nov 06 02:31:24 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, so: [ ] | Internal SD/MMC | First Partition | mmcblk0p1
Nov 06 02:31:31 <zakkm> why you say US then? ;p
Nov 06 02:31:57 <disco_stu> zakkm: are you retard ?
Nov 06 02:32:00 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 06 02:32:10 <zakkm> why not just say , Canadian Dollars?
Nov 06 02:32:25 <disco_stu> because in my country the dont exist
Nov 06 02:32:38 <disco_stu> we use us dollars for foreign expenses
Nov 06 02:32:46 <zakkm> what country?
Nov 06 02:32:49 <disco_stu> Arg
Nov 06 02:33:02 <zakkm> cool :)
Nov 06 02:33:17 <GeneralAntilles> Arg
Nov 06 02:33:25 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds like quite a country Mr. Lazy Typist. :P
Nov 06 02:33:26 <zakkm> 145 Canadian dollars = 124.25021 U.S. dollars
Nov 06 02:33:47 <zakkm> I paid $124.25 USD for my Nokia N800
Nov 06 02:33:47 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: ¬¬
Nov 06 02:33:55 <disco_stu> 124 lucky boy
Nov 06 02:34:06 <disco_stu> i payed 330 us dollars for mine
Nov 06 02:34:06 <zakkm> im a good shopper -.-
Nov 06 02:34:38 <disco_stu> but.. everythings is that way here in latin america
Nov 06 02:36:11 <zakkm> are maemo.org "downloads"  ... all in repositories?
Nov 06 02:37:06 <disco_stu> no
Nov 06 02:37:15 <disco_stu> my app is not in the repos
Nov 06 02:37:22 <disco_stu> but it is in maemo.org
Nov 06 02:37:49 <zakkm> i want to try and fill up on small apps :D
Nov 06 02:38:25 <disco_stu> i want to make some free space in my flash memory
Nov 06 02:38:31 <disco_stu> but dont know where to start
Nov 06 02:38:41 <zakkm> the tablet turned on :D
Nov 06 02:38:42 <l7> start with the pronz
Nov 06 02:38:50 <l7> :D
Nov 06 02:38:54 <disco_stu> pronz ¡
Nov 06 02:38:55 <disco_stu> ?
Nov 06 02:38:58 <disco_stu> whats that ?
Nov 06 02:39:13 <l7> er
Nov 06 02:39:20 <l7> something a friend of mine uses
Nov 06 02:39:23 <l7> no idea really
Nov 06 02:40:00 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/boot-menu-ctrl-panel-mockup.png
Nov 06 02:40:43 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: what is deblet ?
Nov 06 02:40:54 <johnx> ~deblet
Nov 06 02:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet
Nov 06 02:40:55 <infobot> from memory, deblet is http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet
Nov 06 02:41:24 <zakkm> ;o johnx: your a main developer?
Nov 06 02:41:26 <GeneralAntilles> Alternatively, an elated 37-year-old female from Oakland: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=39275800
Nov 06 02:41:34 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I don't know if we really have a concept of "boot order". Maybe just a radio button for "default"
Nov 06 02:42:36 <disco_stu> i should be on that list
Nov 06 02:42:36 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Nov 06 02:42:40 <GeneralAntilles> Where do we have a radio button?
Nov 06 02:43:16 <johnx> hmm? I mean add a radio button to the list beside the logo
Nov 06 02:43:43 <johnx> so: default | icon | name | partition | (device if we have room)
Nov 06 02:43:45 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I got that, but where do we have a radio button in Maemo I can grab a screenshot of?
Nov 06 02:44:02 <johnx> connection wizard
Nov 06 02:44:11 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right.
Nov 06 02:44:23 <johnx> took a while for me to remember
Nov 06 02:45:34 <GeneralAntilles> I need Edit and Delete buttons in there, too.
Nov 06 02:46:21 <disco_stu> wow deblet is awesome
Nov 06 02:46:29 <disco_stu> i dont know how it was missing it
Nov 06 02:46:38 <disco_stu> s/it/i/
Nov 06 02:46:39 <infobot> disco_stu meant: i dont know how i was missing it
Nov 06 02:47:52 <disco_stu> i need more details
Nov 06 02:47:58 <disco_stu> how much space is needed ?
Nov 06 02:50:42 <zakkm> disco_stu: 250mb apparantly + DE/WM
Nov 06 02:53:29 <zakkm> what the
Nov 06 02:53:34 <disco_stu> what ?
Nov 06 02:53:34 <zakkm> Maemo.org homepage
Nov 06 02:53:36 <zakkm> "google gadgets"
Nov 06 02:53:37 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/boot-menu-ctrl-panel-mockup.png
Nov 06 02:53:43 <zakkm> whats google gadgets on maemo?
Nov 06 02:53:50 <zakkm> http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2008/11/05/google-gadgers-for-maemo
Nov 06 02:53:54 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, read the blog post?
Nov 06 02:54:22 <zakkm> oh, just a mockup?
Nov 06 02:54:24 <zakkm> not complete
Nov 06 02:54:57 <GeneralAntilles> Mine is just a mockup, Kate's Gadgets are not.
Nov 06 02:55:36 <ryoohki> GeneralAntilles:
Nov 06 02:55:53 <ryoohki> GeneralAntilles: have you ever had video skype running on the n800?
Nov 06 02:56:00 <GeneralAntilles> I don't do Skype.
Nov 06 02:56:08 <zakkm> video skype works?
Nov 06 02:56:09 <ryoohki> GeneralAntilles: it should run the same on the n810
Nov 06 02:56:11 <zakkm> video chat works on skype?
Nov 06 02:56:42 <disco_stu> no
Nov 06 02:57:30 <ryoohki> zakkm: yes - works fine on the n800 - starts up when ever you pop out the camera - i wish they would come out with a two camera n8x0 - on in the middle top of the screen for video chat and one that pops out on the side for video recording
Nov 06 02:57:43 <ryoohki> disco_stu: works on my n800
Nov 06 02:58:38 <GeneralAntilles> Skype does not support video on the tablets
Nov 06 02:58:46 <GeneralAntilles> You're thinking either of the built-in client or Gizmo.
Nov 06 02:58:52 <zakkm> roohki: thats google talk, not skype.
Nov 06 02:59:21 <zakkm> ryoohki:
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