**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 07 02:59:57 2008
Nov 07 03:01:27 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: what is the 48Mhz thing about ?
Nov 07 03:01:38 <GeneralAntilles> Ups the clock on the SD cards
Nov 07 03:01:55 <GeneralAntilles> May increase speed somewhat
Nov 07 03:01:58 <GeneralAntilles> Probably not worth it
Nov 07 03:02:01 <GeneralAntilles> doesn't work with some cards
Nov 07 03:02:17 <disco_stu> the link you provided includes it i think
Nov 07 03:03:13 <GeneralAntilles> The default kernel doesn't
Nov 07 03:03:21 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: anyway to get USB networking working on Mac OSX?
Nov 07 03:03:30 <disco_stu> zakkm: hi fellow
Nov 07 03:03:35 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, I wasn't successful the last time I tried.
Nov 07 03:03:37 <zakkm> disco_stu: hi
Nov 07 03:03:56 <disco_stu> zakkm: why dont you install ubuntu in your mac
Nov 07 03:03:58 <disco_stu> ;D
Nov 07 03:03:58 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: in school on the skool pc it worked,
Nov 07 03:04:00 <disco_stu> would be nicer
Nov 07 03:04:01 <zakkm> eww
Nov 07 03:04:04 <zakkm> i hate ubuntu
Nov 07 03:04:06 <zakkm> too bloated -.-
Nov 07 03:04:20 <zakkm> i got gentoo on my 250gb
Nov 07 03:04:36 <GeneralAntilles> Or just talk your parents into a router.
Nov 07 03:04:40 <GeneralAntilles> Break the old one.
Nov 07 03:04:49 <zakkm> We used to have, thought we did when i bought the nokia
Nov 07 03:04:56 <zakkm> but my dad said it was broken, and gone
Nov 07 03:05:28 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: i clicked the .install
Nov 07 03:05:40 <disco_stu> but now complains about dependencies
Nov 07 03:05:54 <zakkm> disco_stu: all the repositories on?, just a guess
Nov 07 03:05:56 <GeneralAntilles> Just tap through it then run apt-get -f install in xterm
Nov 07 03:09:57 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: i doest install at all
Nov 07 03:10:06 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: Would there be any driver or something to make it work?
Nov 07 03:10:07 <GeneralAntilles> apt-get install rotation-support
Nov 07 03:10:18 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, google it.
Nov 07 03:10:25 <GeneralAntilles> I don't remember
Nov 07 03:10:50 <zakkm> brings up nothing.
Nov 07 03:11:03 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=usbnet+os+x
Nov 07 03:11:31 <disco_stu> zakkm: i have a cheap wireless router i dont use, if you lived here i would lend it to you
Nov 07 03:11:42 <zakkm> i live in Toronto, ON
Nov 07 03:11:57 <disco_stu> 10.000km away
Nov 07 03:12:01 <zakkm> sweet
Nov 07 03:12:05 <disco_stu> less
Nov 07 03:12:14 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: i doesnt work
Nov 07 03:12:20 <disco_stu> s/i/it/
Nov 07 03:12:21 <infobot> disco_stu meant: GeneralAntitlles: i doesnt work
Nov 07 03:12:29 <GeneralAntilles> Is there an error?
Nov 07 03:12:42 <disco_stu> cant find pkg rotation-support
Nov 07 03:13:05 <GeneralAntilles> Hang on
Nov 07 03:13:44 <zakkm> This is an USB driver for MacOS X to connect handheld devices like the Sharp Zaurus, Yopy, iPAQ, Motorola Linux phones, OpenMoko to MacOS X as an IP device via the USB cable. This allows to use telnet, ssh, SMB etc. to access the Zaurus.
Nov 07 03:13:50 <zakkm> would that work, possibly?
Nov 07 03:13:59 <disco_stu> yes
Nov 07 03:14:03 <GeneralAntilles> disco_stu, apt-get install rotation-support-n800
Nov 07 03:14:37 <disco_stu> now it is downloading, thanks man
Nov 07 03:14:41 <disco_stu> :)
Nov 07 03:15:55 <disco_stu> iou like three or four beers
Nov 07 03:15:55 <disco_stu> now its done
Nov 07 03:15:55 <disco_stu> with the package installation
Nov 07 03:15:55 <disco_stu> whats next ?
Nov 07 03:15:55 <disco_stu> rebooting ?
Nov 07 03:16:01 <disco_stu> i didnt see any  flashing ?
Nov 07 03:16:21 <GeneralAntilles> Restart after it's done
Nov 07 03:17:40 <disco_stu> when i fly to florida i'll invite you some beers
Nov 07 03:17:40 <disco_stu> :D
Nov 07 03:18:01 <disco_stu> wow i've rotation ;D;D;D
Nov 07 03:18:06 <disco_stu> thanks man
Nov 07 03:19:57 <disco_stu> i rotated while playing a video and everything died
Nov 07 03:19:57 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 07 03:20:22 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: one thing
Nov 07 03:20:23 <disco_stu> it seems that the screen lose some clearliness
Nov 07 03:20:48 <GeneralAntilles> Not normally rotated
Nov 07 03:24:55 <disco_stu> i think yes
Nov 07 03:25:24 <disco_stu> well rotation isnt that cool now that i use it
Nov 07 03:25:26 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 07 03:25:36 <disco_stu> browser is great
Nov 07 03:25:41 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I could've told you that. ;)
Nov 07 03:27:52 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 07 03:29:48 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles:
Nov 07 03:30:12 <disco_stu> now in the catalog i see os2008 feature upgrade
Nov 07 03:30:22 <disco_stu> 2 of them about 9mb each
Nov 07 03:30:24 <disco_stu> ?
Nov 07 03:30:43 <GeneralAntilles> cause you killed o-s-v
Nov 07 03:30:51 <GeneralAntilles> apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked
Nov 07 03:31:36 <disco_stu> so if i get one of these i'll lose rotation and get to stock
Nov 07 03:32:03 <disco_stu> ?
Nov 07 03:32:51 <GeneralAntilles> No
Nov 07 03:32:59 <GeneralAntilles> That's why you're installing -unlocked
Nov 07 03:33:24 <disco_stu> i mean if i get other but unlocked
Nov 07 03:33:43 <GeneralAntilles> Not unlocked will conflict with rotation
Nov 07 03:33:56 <GeneralAntilles> -unlocked has depends >=
Nov 07 03:34:04 <GeneralAntilles> Not unlocked is depends =
Nov 07 03:34:11 <disco_stu> but wont brick the distro, right ?
Nov 07 03:34:17 <zakkm> what distro?
Nov 07 03:34:24 <disco_stu> maemo
Nov 07 03:34:27 <zakkm> o.
Nov 07 03:34:52 <GeneralAntilles> No
Nov 07 03:34:59 <GeneralAntilles> That's why I'm telling you to install it. ;)
Nov 07 03:35:12 <disco_stu> again..
Nov 07 03:35:27 <zakkm> is there "diablo nightly"? or something
Nov 07 03:35:32 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Nov 07 03:35:47 <disco_stu> if i fell i dont want rotation anymore.. i can grab the one with no unlocked
Nov 07 03:35:55 <disco_stu> and everything should be fine
Nov 07 03:37:58 <disco_stu> zakkm: did you make the usb net work ?
Nov 07 03:38:07 <zakkm> not in mac
Nov 07 03:38:08 <disco_stu> i tried here and worked like a charm
Nov 07 03:38:14 <zakkm> it works on windows, but i cant stand using windows
Nov 07 03:38:22 <disco_stu> i use ubuntu
Nov 07 03:38:25 <zakkm> I have Mac OSX, and no im not dualbooting
Nov 07 03:38:36 <zakkm> i left linux along time ago ( except of course maemo )
Nov 07 03:38:42 <disco_stu> zakkm: why dont you use VM
Nov 07 03:38:59 <disco_stu> vmware, or virtualbox
Nov 07 03:39:07 <zakkm> because mac wont detect it, therefore windows in a VM wont
Nov 07 03:39:08 <disco_stu> a silly windows inside
Nov 07 03:39:11 <disco_stu> and voila
Nov 07 03:39:18 <zakkm> i dont have the pc power either
Nov 07 03:39:22 <zakkm> my computer is slow
Nov 07 03:39:41 <disco_stu> windows hosted in a mac can take full control of a usb port
Nov 07 03:39:43 <zakkm> 1gb ram isnt so called ideal for virtual machining
Nov 07 03:40:00 <disco_stu> yeees
Nov 07 03:40:04 <disco_stu> 1gb is a lot
Nov 07 03:40:05 <zakkm> but mac would have to recognize it as something first, wouldn't it?
Nov 07 03:40:08 <disco_stu> no
Nov 07 03:40:09 <zakkm> not have a driver
Nov 07 03:40:10 <zakkm> but recognize it
Nov 07 03:40:19 <disco_stu> mac doesnt have to do anything
Nov 07 03:40:31 <zakkm> and in mac, vmware has full 3d acceleration.
Nov 07 03:40:39 <zakkm> so vmware would beat virtualbox in this case.
Nov 07 03:40:55 <zakkm> im used to vmware and virtualbox, even qemu btw.
Nov 07 03:40:55 <disco_stu> too bad it isnt opersource
Nov 07 03:41:20 <zakkm> i just thought it "shared" it with the virtual machine
Nov 07 03:41:28 <zakkm> not virtual machine takes it over?
Nov 07 03:41:46 <disco_stu> you define the behavior
Nov 07 03:42:02 <zakkm> vmware for mac too?
Nov 07 03:42:21 <disco_stu> guess so, havent tried in mac
Nov 07 03:42:26 <disco_stu> since mac is for girls
Nov 07 03:42:28 <disco_stu> and old people
Nov 07 03:42:30 <zakkm> ?
Nov 07 03:42:38 <zakkm> ubuntu is for lazy ppl XD
Nov 07 03:42:54 <zakkm> that want to try linux but dont want to learn XD
Nov 07 03:42:59 <GeneralAntilles> disco_stu, watch yourself. ;)
Nov 07 03:43:03 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 07 03:43:12 <disco_stu> zakkm: i use linux since 1999
Nov 07 03:43:16 <zakkm> im not saying you
Nov 07 03:43:16 <disco_stu> so, dont bother
Nov 07 03:43:19 <zakkm> i meant the distro itself
Nov 07 03:43:28 <zakkm> lol
Nov 07 03:43:30 <zakkm> you guys are experts
Nov 07 03:43:44 <zakkm> i just meant ubuntu is suppose to be "easy" its for "newbies"
Nov 07 03:43:54 <zakkm> that was the point of it in my opinion
Nov 07 03:43:56 <disco_stu> ubuntu is good when looking for a distro you can reinstall in 15minutes and everything works out of the box
Nov 07 03:44:03 <zakkm> lies
Nov 07 03:44:08 <zakkm> out of box my ass
Nov 07 03:44:20 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 07 03:44:31 <disco_stu> with standard hardware of course..
Nov 07 03:44:31 <zakkm> my old motherboard, didnt have LAN support in ubuntu till 8.04.1 ... and its onboard LAN
Nov 07 03:44:34 <zakkm> -.-
Nov 07 03:44:50 <zakkm> old = had a 1.6ghz cpu in it , x64
Nov 07 03:45:10 <zakkm> not only that, it wouldnt boot at all.. even the livecd
Nov 07 03:46:32 <zakkm> ubuntu is far from work out of box -.-
Nov 07 03:46:55 <disco_stu> zakkm: you had a crappy mobo
Nov 07 03:47:12 <zakkm> no i didnt
Nov 07 03:47:22 <zakkm> i had a d945gclf , atom motherboard
Nov 07 03:47:48 <zakkm> ubuntu doesnt even play mp3 does it?
Nov 07 03:47:58 <zakkm> no xvid/divx out of box
Nov 07 03:48:03 <disco_stu> yes it does
Nov 07 03:48:11 <disco_stu> since 7.04
Nov 07 03:48:11 <zakkm> CUPS sucks, doesnt even recognize any printer ive tried
Nov 07 03:48:21 <disco_stu> cups is awesome
Nov 07 03:48:26 <zakkm> mac uses cups
Nov 07 03:48:26 <disco_stu> is made by apple
Nov 07 03:48:29 <GeneralAntilles> Not having drivers doesn't make a framework sucks
Nov 07 03:48:36 <zakkm> lol
Nov 07 03:48:38 <GeneralAntilles> s/sucks/suck/
Nov 07 03:48:38 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Not having drivers doesn't make a framework suck
Nov 07 03:48:40 <zakkm> ubuntu isnt out of box XD
Nov 07 03:49:23 <zakkm> SuSe and Fedora are more out of box
Nov 07 03:49:44 <disco_stu> zakkm: far from true
Nov 07 03:49:56 <disco_stu> deployment is harder with those
Nov 07 03:49:56 <zakkm> ok i havent used those in a long time
Nov 07 03:50:01 <zakkm> they're RPM
Nov 07 03:50:06 <zakkm> i dont like rpm
Nov 07 03:50:14 <zakkm> dont like anything binary for that matter.
Nov 07 03:50:24 <gregorovius> I prefer Hz.
Nov 07 03:50:32 <zakkm> Hz?
Nov 07 03:50:39 <zakkm> Hertz? thats all that comes to mind.
Nov 07 03:50:54 <gregorovius> it was a bad pun, yeah
Nov 07 03:51:04 <gregorovius> RPM=revolutions per minute
Nov 07 03:51:08 <zakkm> oo
Nov 07 03:51:11 <gregorovius> sorry, been studying physics all day
Nov 07 03:51:12 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 07 03:51:22 <disco_stu> gregorovius: nice :)
Nov 07 03:51:29 <disco_stu> are you in college ?
Nov 07 03:51:42 <gregorovius> yep
Nov 07 03:51:50 <disco_stu> what are you studying ?
Nov 07 03:51:58 <gregorovius> CS, but i have to take some physics
Nov 07 03:52:36 <disco_stu> the same to me as software engineer
Nov 07 03:52:47 <gregorovius> =)
Nov 07 03:52:50 <gregorovius> gotta reboot
Nov 07 03:56:51 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemo.org.zip <- maemo.org startup screen for interested parties.
Nov 07 04:07:15 <disco_stu> weird
Nov 07 04:07:41 <disco_stu> zakkm: you seem to be a very smart boy
Nov 07 04:07:55 <zakkm> wow
Nov 07 04:07:56 <zakkm> again
Nov 07 04:07:59 <zakkm> oh, they came back
Nov 07 04:08:09 <zakkm> disco_stu: why thank you :)
Nov 07 04:08:10 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 07 04:08:38 <zakkm> i dont get told that often, especially by people older ;p
Nov 07 04:08:52 <disco_stu> im just 23
Nov 07 04:11:12 <l7> GeneralAntilles: what OS is the maemo.org.zip startup screen for?
Nov 07 04:11:21 <l7> looks interesting so far
Nov 07 04:11:28 <zakkm> disco_stu: im just 17 XD
Nov 07 04:12:57 <disco_stu> installing ettercap :D:D
Nov 07 04:15:58 <GAN800> l7, Maemo, of course
Nov 07 04:16:15 <GAN800> Stick 'em in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/
Nov 07 04:23:38 <l7> GAN800: oh, it's for Diablo
Nov 07 04:24:25 <l7> cool tip though, i am getting tired of looking at that weird default startup screen
Nov 07 04:25:02 <disco_stu> GAN800: just dropping the pixs in that path works ?
Nov 07 04:25:20 <GAN800> Also: http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/err.zip for the ATHF fans.
Nov 07 04:25:26 <GAN800> Yed
Nov 07 04:25:45 <GAN800> gtk-update-icon-cache or two reboots.
Nov 07 04:27:05 <disco_stu> ,,, but you need to be using theme macosx or something ?
Nov 07 04:28:32 <GAN800> Just ignore the OS X garbage
Nov 07 04:28:41 <GAN800> I'm too lazy to purge it.
Nov 07 04:30:59 <disco_stu> zakkm: have you tried galculator ?
Nov 07 04:31:13 <zakkm> no
Nov 07 04:31:15 <zakkm> never heard of it?
Nov 07 04:31:21 <disco_stu> its very nice
Nov 07 04:31:31 <disco_stu> i found it, and i love it
Nov 07 04:31:38 <zakkm> ohh
Nov 07 04:31:40 <zakkm> gnome calculator?
Nov 07 04:32:03 <disco_stu> yes
Nov 07 04:32:04 <zakkm> sorry, watching tv.. brb ;p
Nov 07 04:32:08 <zakkm> yeah i liked it
Nov 07 04:32:10 <disco_stu> mathomatic
Nov 07 04:32:12 <zakkm> never tried on nokia though.
Nov 07 04:32:16 <disco_stu> is very nice either
Nov 07 05:16:19 <errordeveloper> is it ok to change the uid of the 'user' from 29999 to what i need (1001)?
Nov 07 05:17:28 <errordeveloper> so the memory card fs has the same file premissions when connected to my linux pc
Nov 07 05:18:04 <l7> GAN800: where in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/ do the startup graphics go?
Nov 07 05:18:54 <l7> wait, is it /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/ ?
Nov 07 05:19:05 <GAN800> hildon, yeah, sorry
Nov 07 05:19:39 <l7> ah
Nov 07 05:19:52 <l7> i guess that means i have to backup and then overwrite
Nov 07 05:20:36 <l7> hmm, looking at http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD/control_scripts
Nov 07 05:21:41 <l7> i think the LCARS theme works by temporarily replacing those files too
Nov 07 05:25:11 <GAN800> It does
Nov 07 05:25:25 <GAN800> Just copy the originals somewhere safe if you want.
Nov 07 05:26:17 <l7> yeah
Nov 07 05:26:23 <l7> man, i really like using maemo now
Nov 07 05:26:39 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 07 05:26:57 <l7> it's a little mind blowing how the same OS that runs a server farm or a desktop computer can also run a tablet that fits in your pocket
Nov 07 05:27:11 <l7> when you stop and think about it
Nov 07 05:27:14 <disco_stu> not he same os
Nov 07 05:27:17 <disco_stu> the same kernel
Nov 07 05:27:36 <l7> well sort of the same distro
Nov 07 05:27:55 <l7> if you're thinking of debian / ubuntu
Nov 07 05:28:08 <l7> same distro roots i guess
Nov 07 05:28:25 <l7> considering ubuntu runs google and wikipedia's servers
Nov 07 05:28:39 <disco_stu> talking about the kernel it expands more
Nov 07 05:28:46 <l7> how so?
Nov 07 05:28:52 <disco_stu> you have routers, phones,
Nov 07 05:29:05 <disco_stu> wich dont run a distro like debian or so
Nov 07 05:29:18 <l7> hmm yeah
Nov 07 05:29:30 <l7> we should just standardize the world on linux
Nov 07 05:29:46 <disco_stu> we will, some day
Nov 07 05:30:01 <l7> heh some day
Nov 07 05:30:14 <aspect> fuck, I hope not
Nov 07 05:30:25 <l7> why?
Nov 07 05:30:34 <aspect> that'd be like having one programming language for everything
Nov 07 05:30:51 <aspect> isn't diversity and specialisation interesting?
Nov 07 05:31:07 <Grackle> linux is diverse and special
Nov 07 05:31:22 <l7> well it seems sort of like having one language that everyone on earth could speak
Nov 07 05:31:45 <Grackle> like esperanto
Nov 07 05:31:47 <l7> being able to communicate with everyone, or in this case, any device or computer
Nov 07 05:31:48 <l7> yeah
Nov 07 05:31:49 <aspect> it's not plan9 or qnx or beos
Nov 07 05:32:00 <aspect> different languages are beautiful
Nov 07 05:32:15 <l7> sure, but that also means you have language barriers
Nov 07 05:32:35 <aspect> I have language barriers with large segments of the english-speaking population
Nov 07 05:32:37 <l7> i guess i'm imagining a future where everyone is computer literate
Nov 07 05:33:08 <aspect> if we were all reduced to the lowest common denominator .. having this conversation would be difficult enough -- how would cutting-edge science get done?
Nov 07 05:33:35 <l7> i don't see it as reducing everyone to an LCD
Nov 07 05:34:06 <aspect> try learning another language sometime
Nov 07 05:34:12 <l7> suppose you had the option to teach everyone the basics of computer literacy
Nov 07 05:34:37 <l7> if you have limited resources, doesn't linux seem like the best OS to standardize on?
Nov 07 05:35:09 <GAN800> kernels have very little to do with computer literacy
Nov 07 05:35:20 <l7> i mean other people can go off and do specialized research in theory, and there's plenty of diversity within linux as it is anyway
Nov 07 05:35:24 <GAN800> Nothing at all, really.
Nov 07 05:37:50 <l7> well anyway, i was just thinking about how interesting it is that by learning about linux, i get the ability to use a tablet, a desktop, a router or phone and even a server, etc.
Nov 07 05:37:55 <l7> which is pretty neat
Nov 07 05:38:05 <l7> dreams of world domination aside
Nov 07 05:38:47 <disco_stu> i changed the startup logo
Nov 07 05:38:51 <disco_stu> with the maemo ones
Nov 07 05:38:58 <disco_stu> not that newat
Nov 07 05:39:02 <disco_stu> neat*
Nov 07 05:39:31 <l7> i changed the background on that logo to black for kicks
Nov 07 05:43:55 <disco_stu> l7: have you got more images for startup logo ?
Nov 07 05:45:16 <l7> disco_stu: i just tweaked the colors in my image editor
Nov 07 05:45:30 <l7> i could upload them somewhere if you want to take a look
Nov 07 05:45:40 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: do you have another themes for startup logos ?
Nov 07 05:45:43 <disco_stu> l7: yes please
Nov 07 05:46:03 <l7> ok, let me test it to make sure it works
Nov 07 05:48:50 <l7> okay it doesn't quite look right
Nov 07 05:49:12 <l7> i'll upload it anyway if someone wants to give me some advice on what went wrong
Nov 07 05:50:09 <GAN800> disco_stu, only maemo.org and Err
Nov 07 05:50:33 <l7> http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=e565631803e458faab1eab3e9fa335caa3598cdb44fa1324
Nov 07 05:51:22 <disco_stu> thanks l7
Nov 07 05:52:32 <l7> np
Nov 07 05:52:36 <l7> remember it looks funny :)
Nov 07 05:53:57 <l7> maybe it was the resource forks from using a mac
Nov 07 05:57:11 <l7> hrm, still messed up
Nov 07 05:57:35 <l7> the maemo logo gets stuck in the middle of the screen
Nov 07 06:02:08 <l7> oh i see, you have to make an image that's the size of the screen
Nov 07 06:02:16 <l7> if it's not a white background
Nov 07 06:09:15 <timeless> l7: what is that .zip file?
Nov 07 06:09:49 <timeless> the resource forks were odd
Nov 07 06:09:56 <timeless> picasa's image viewer didn't apppreciate them
Nov 07 06:14:17 <l7> timeless: i made it with a mac
Nov 07 06:14:24 <l7> macs suck!
Nov 07 06:15:58 <disco_stu> what pkg do you use in diablo for usb mode switch ?
Nov 07 06:16:09 <disco_stu> in chinook i had one app to do that
Nov 07 06:16:35 <timeless> yeah, but why make the zip file?
Nov 07 06:18:06 <l7> dunno, GeneralAntilles uploaded his as zips
Nov 07 06:18:17 <l7> i can upload it as a folder perhaps
Nov 07 06:18:46 <l7> i think i've got it fixed
Nov 07 06:19:03 <l7> ah nice
Nov 07 06:21:28 <l7> hrm, mediafire doesn't let you upload entire folders
Nov 07 06:21:30 <l7> annoying
Nov 07 06:22:23 <timeless> um
Nov 07 06:22:29 <timeless> browsers don't let you upload folders
Nov 07 06:22:51 <l7> yeah
Nov 07 06:22:58 <l7> anyway, http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=10adf6e800c89f4fab1eab3e9fa335caabcf2b6afea9da18 is the new version
Nov 07 06:23:28 <l7> maybe i'll tweak it some more tomorrow
Nov 07 06:24:35 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: how do you control otg in diablo ?
Nov 07 06:24:56 <disco_stu> l7: how it looks ?
Nov 07 06:25:09 <l7> disco_stu: not bad this time
Nov 07 06:25:52 <l7> i can't figure out why the green and white maemo logo pops up after the progress bar ends though
Nov 07 06:27:31 <l7> oh wait, i used qgn_indi_nokia_hands.png when it should have been a jpg
Nov 07 06:34:23 <l7> i wonder if it's safe to reboot your tablet every five minutes
Nov 07 06:39:40 <l7> http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=47b1832e0662af10ab1eab3e9fa335caf4377ca4b04cf826
Nov 07 06:39:47 <l7> okay it's fixed
Nov 07 07:00:23 <tekojo> Morning
Nov 07 07:18:07 <l7> is it possible to insert text via ssh into maemo's clipboard?
Nov 07 07:32:44 <usicow> does anyone know if there's a better way to cache the google maps for maemo-mapper rather than downloading them on the device? It seems extremely slow downloading them on the device, and the CPU stays at 100% the whole time.
Nov 07 07:40:59 <pupnik> moorning
Nov 07 07:41:20 <pupnik> i had trouble with that usicow - need someone else to answer that
Nov 07 07:45:39 <Stskeeps> usicow: i think i used a winmapper or something thing originally
Nov 07 07:45:52 <Stskeeps> that did the dling
Nov 07 07:46:01 <Stskeeps> not confidently sure it wasn't for my s-e phone though
Nov 07 07:57:05 <Mikho> anybody using esbox? Would anyone have any idea why it insists on running autogen.sh every single time I select "build project"?
Nov 07 07:57:22 <Stskeeps> debian packages ocassionally have a tendancy to do that atleast
Nov 07 08:18:29 <RST38h> moo all
Nov 07 08:19:53 <Stskeeps> moo
Nov 07 08:20:15 <Stskeeps> RST38h: does sb2 qualify as cross-compilation where it doesn't get in the way then?
Nov 07 08:20:21 <vincenzo88> Hello all!
Nov 07 08:21:44 <vincenzo88> I build an application with Qt4 for N810 with Maemo Diablo OS but my menu bar doesn't appear. Someone have a solution to show the menu bar ?
Nov 07 08:23:02 <Stskeeps> doesn't it simply slide into the hildon menu bar?
Nov 07 08:23:08 <Stskeeps> if it's properly hildonized
Nov 07 08:24:40 <vincenzo88> By default the menu bar is in top left on the windows but when i am in full screen this menu disapear
Nov 07 08:25:31 <vincenzo88> And i don't know how to slide into the hildon menu bar :p
Nov 07 08:26:22 <chenkai> report said nokia doesn't seem to hildonize Qt4, just leaving what Qt looks like.  ok, i'm not quite sure :-P
Nov 07 08:27:36 <vincenzo88> I will do without so :'(
Nov 07 08:32:12 <chenkai> i've got a question for those who know something about the FM transmitter in N810, can the transmitter emit FM signal besides receiving the FM signal?? Pls forgive my igorance :) thanks
Nov 07 08:32:52 <Stskeeps> it's not a transmitter, it's a receiver
Nov 07 08:33:32 <chenkai> er-oh~~
Nov 07 08:36:54 <Stskeeps> a fm transmitter might make it more difficult to sell in some parts of the world :P
Nov 07 08:37:10 <guardian> morning
Nov 07 08:39:31 <chenkai> :) some webpages states that N810 contains THE transmitter but no app make use of that to send FM signal. so i wonder the real meaning of THE transmitter:)
Nov 07 08:39:51 <Stskeeps> n810 doesn't have any fm stuff as far as i know
Nov 07 08:39:55 <Stskeeps> not even a fm receiver
Nov 07 08:45:17 <chenkai> i see.  anyway, no fmradio for N810 any more :'(
Nov 07 09:05:00 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 07 10:07:32 * Stskeeps ponders idly why his n800 is rebooting spuriously.
Nov 07 10:20:21 <vincenzo88> Someone know how to create a executable app with maemo ? (whitout write ./app, i want run my App with double clic)
Nov 07 10:28:15 <RST38h> vincenzo: Have you been to maemo.org Development section?
Nov 07 10:31:54 <vincenzo88> RST38H: i have find the solution : place the app in /var/lib/install/usr and create a file .desktop to integrate the app on the desktop
Nov 07 10:32:19 <vincenzo88> This solution is for 770 but i think it's work on 810
Nov 07 10:37:54 <RST38h> But have you been to maemo.org Development section? :)
Nov 07 10:38:36 <vincenzo88> Yes but i have not read all the content
Nov 07 10:45:19 <RST38h> wait a moment
Nov 07 10:45:41 <RST38h> General, are you alive?
Nov 07 10:45:53 <RST38h> Or anybody else related to Maemo wiki?
Nov 07 10:47:50 * X-Fade looks at his karma: Karma 666
Nov 07 10:52:41 <lardman> X-Fade: lol
Nov 07 10:53:24 <lardman> I'm not even half way to you
Nov 07 10:53:39 <X-Fade> Quim is approaching 2k.
Nov 07 10:54:07 <lardman> wow, blogging is a good earner
Nov 07 10:54:10 <vincenzo88> Goodbye everybody!
Nov 07 10:54:28 <lcuk> lardman, i think x-fade cheats ;)
Nov 07 10:54:46 <lardman> well the discussion karma still seems low/broken
Nov 07 10:55:20 <X-Fade> lardman: I'm beginning to think it doesn't like your uppercase email.
Nov 07 10:56:06 <lardman> hmm, case shouldn't matter for emails though ;)
Nov 07 10:56:13 <lardman> but yeah, perhaps
Nov 07 10:56:23 <lardman> though I think my return address is always the same
Nov 07 10:56:36 <X-Fade> Yeah, I checked that once.
Nov 07 10:57:07 <lardman> I'll set Outlook to searching my archive to see what they look like
Nov 07 10:57:13 <lardman> might take a loooonnng while
Nov 07 10:57:14 <X-Fade> Hmm no, it isn't.
Nov 07 10:57:36 <Jaffa> Whoa. GeneralAntilles' karma's jumped.
Nov 07 10:57:44 <X-Fade> You sometimes use SG.P**** and have registered S.G.P***
Nov 07 10:57:53 <lardman> hmm
Nov 07 10:57:57 <Jaffa> Ah. ITT's now counted.
Nov 07 10:58:05 <X-Fade> So perhaps you should add the SG.P address too.
Nov 07 10:58:25 <lardman> that must be a typo on my part then, it's not a real address
Nov 07 10:58:29 <lardman> let me see where that's come from
Nov 07 10:59:32 * Jaffa needs to switch his ITT account for 'aflegg' to 'Jaffa'. I think the thanks for Jaffa are more than aflegg
Nov 07 11:01:33 <Jaffa> Post count is lower, though.
Nov 07 11:01:56 <lardman> X-Fade: do you have a date of one of those emails?
Nov 07 11:02:20 * Jaffa bops reggie for never answering "can I switch my username?" emails, and maemo.org profiles for only allowing me to specify one account (it's a little edge casey, tho ;-))
Nov 07 11:02:28 <lardman> ah well, I've only sent ~219 emails, perhaps my karma is right
Nov 07 11:03:03 <X-Fade> lardman: No, those should be giving you 219 karma then.
Nov 07 11:03:13 <lardman> hmm
Nov 07 11:03:30 <lardman> I can't see anything with SG.Pickering@ etc.
Nov 07 11:04:01 <X-Fade> lardman: Yeah, weird. They show up in the site search.
Nov 07 11:04:25 <lardman> you can search for that string and it also returns S.G.Pickering...
Nov 07 11:04:48 <X-Fade> Yes, but it really shows SG.P
Nov 07 11:05:04 <lardman> can you give me a title/date for one and I'll look at it here?
Nov 07 11:05:14 <X-Fade> But searching my own mails, doesn't give me any results.
Nov 07 11:05:23 <lardman> weird
Nov 07 11:05:31 <X-Fade> So I guess that is a google mini searchbox glitch.
Nov 07 11:07:24 <lardman> ah well, not to worry
Nov 07 11:07:51 <X-Fade> lardman: But we still need to fix the forums, and this is where karma count is done.
Nov 07 11:08:01 <X-Fade> So it might get fixed automatically.
Nov 07 11:08:24 <lardman> forums?
Nov 07 11:08:46 <lardman> bbiab
Nov 07 11:08:47 <X-Fade> http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/
Nov 07 11:09:13 <X-Fade> But importing is broken for some type of mails. Mime parsing is buggy there.
Nov 07 11:10:35 <Jaffa> Is fixing it committed to a sprint?
Nov 07 11:10:58 <X-Fade> Jaffa: It is a bug for bergie at least.
Nov 07 11:12:21 <X-Fade> And the styling needs to be fixed too, but I'm not going to do that while we haven't upgraded yet.
Nov 07 11:19:54 <Jaffa> X-Fade: just a bit disappointing that it seems, like a lot of stuff, to be sort of done; but not quite finished enough to be actually useful- so therefore can't be advertised.
Nov 07 11:20:54 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I'm with you, but the thing is testing this takes sooooo much time on a overloaded server. This needs to be fixed first.
Nov 07 11:21:33 <X-Fade> If the whole server issue was fixed earlier I wouldn't have lost about 3 months of development time :(
Nov 07 11:22:21 <Jaffa> :(
Nov 07 11:22:38 <Jaffa> The server stuff seems to be dragging on too, although this may have been covered in the sprint meeting I couldn't make.
Nov 07 11:22:41 <Jaffa> Hmm, is the log up yet?
Nov 07 11:22:52 <X-Fade> Sure, I always upload logs ;)
Nov 07 11:23:20 <Jaffa> Can we ensure - although admittedly perhaps this should /really/ be done by the chair - that as soon as the logs go up, -community is emailed saying it works?
Nov 07 11:23:51 <X-Fade> What works?
Nov 07 11:24:26 <X-Fade> Logs are always linked here: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/
Nov 07 11:25:15 <Jaffa> OK, but that's not my point.
Nov 07 11:25:56 <Jaffa> My point is that a) they're not going to be up immediately (or are they?); and this location should be communicated at the same time (either with the invite, or when the logs are available) as themeeting.
Nov 07 11:26:55 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Well, I guess we need a secretary :)
Nov 07 11:27:04 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Volunteering? :)
Nov 07 11:29:12 <RST38h> X-Fade: Looks like Maemo.org development section is now missing lots of howtos
Nov 07 11:29:22 <RST38h> Something happened?
Nov 07 11:29:56 <Jaffa> X-Fade: whomever uploads the logs is, by definition, the secretary - as it's the only secretarial task we've got ;-p
Nov 07 11:32:28 <camel_liu> Did anybody meet the problem: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
Nov 07 11:33:08 <camel_liu> when I use SDL_mixer and init audio
Nov 07 11:34:42 <camel_liu> I met this problem. Then my ubuntu cannot play audio anymore
Nov 07 11:48:49 <lelux> Hello, what is user passwd in 2008? Trying to ssh user@n800host which prompt passwd but i don't know it.
Nov 07 11:49:22 <lardman> try root, password is rootme
Nov 07 11:49:34 <lelux> ok
Nov 07 11:50:13 <RST38h> ehlo lardman
Nov 07 11:50:50 <lardman> hi RST38h
Nov 07 11:51:44 <camel_liu> hi lardman, when I use SDL_mixer, I met: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
Nov 07 11:51:59 <camel_liu> Do you have any idea?
Nov 07 11:52:02 <lardman> camel_liu: not my specialty
Nov 07 11:52:23 <camel_liu> oh
Nov 07 11:53:05 <lardman> sorry
Nov 07 11:53:39 <Stskeeps> mm, bacon in pasta sald++
Nov 07 11:53:40 <Stskeeps> salad
Nov 07 11:54:04 <lardman> :)
Nov 07 11:54:52 <slapin> hi, all!
Nov 07 11:54:58 <slapin> robtaylor, ping
Nov 07 11:55:38 <robtaylor> slapin: pong?
Nov 07 11:55:54 <slapin> robtaylor, hi, how things are?
Nov 07 11:57:16 <robtaylor> slapin: not too bad! busy busy busy!
Nov 07 11:58:57 <slapin> robtaylor, could you please answer question sent by private message?
Nov 07 11:59:14 <slapin> robtaylor, sorry for bothering you
Nov 07 12:01:48 <RST38h> Hehe, Google patched Android jailbreak
Nov 07 12:02:47 <Stskeeps> and that's why i love our maemo.
Nov 07 12:03:10 <RST38h> Sts: ain't you a deblet man?
Nov 07 12:03:37 <Stskeeps> RST38h: well, i'm also a maemo user
Nov 07 12:03:47 <Stskeeps> there are things maemo has done right and some they haven't
Nov 07 12:03:59 <Stskeeps> and ability to fuck everything completely up is there
Nov 07 12:04:05 <Stskeeps> and that's a good thing
Nov 07 12:04:33 <Stskeeps> like, shell access, root access, add ssh if you want, manipulate themes etc
Nov 07 12:04:42 <Stskeeps> a lot of possibilities
Nov 07 12:04:52 <slapin> too bad you can't fuck bootloader up using flasher :(
Nov 07 12:05:18 * RST38h does /names #maemo and looks at the possibilities
Nov 07 12:05:22 <Stskeeps> it's possible inside mtd anyway as far as i can recall
Nov 07 12:05:35 <Stskeeps> but you could brick it totally
Nov 07 12:05:45 <RST38h> Yea, so many little tablets to break in =)~
Nov 07 12:05:48 <slapin> by the way, is it possible to cold flash device 'at home' or some high-tech patented technology needed?
Nov 07 12:05:59 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Nov 07 12:06:02 <Stskeeps> no clue, never went that far
Nov 07 12:06:30 <Khertan_n810> Does someone know how to convert a gtk.gdk.Color to a #rrggbb string ?
Nov 07 12:06:30 <Stskeeps> qwerty might know
Nov 07 12:06:36 <Khertan_n810> pygtk.org is down
Nov 07 12:06:57 <Stskeeps> Khertan_n810: .to_string()
Nov 07 12:07:05 <Khertan_n810> and googlecache doesn t help
Nov 07 12:07:08 <Stskeeps> The to_string() method returns a textual specification of color in the hexadecimal form #rrrrggggbbbb, where r, g and b are hex digits representing the red, green and blue components respectively
Nov 07 12:07:15 <Stskeeps> according to "text only version"
Nov 07 12:07:29 <Khertan_n810> .__str__() return a gdk.Color object
Nov 07 12:08:52 <Khertan_n810> __str__() is the python to_string()
Nov 07 12:09:42 <Stskeeps> pygtk api says to_string() :P
Nov 07 12:09:47 <Stskeeps> and i know
Nov 07 12:09:51 <Khertan_n810> ?
Nov 07 12:10:05 <Stskeeps> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:12oKppV3LE4J:pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gdkcolor.html+gtk+gdk+color&hl=da&gl=dk&strip=1
Nov 07 12:10:17 <Khertan_n810> gdk.Color has now method .to_string()
Nov 07 12:10:22 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 07 12:10:31 <Khertan_n810> s_now_no
Nov 07 12:10:33 <Stskeeps> it may not work cos it's gtk 2.12, i'm not sure maemo has that yet
Nov 07 12:10:35 <Khertan_n810> s/now/no
Nov 07 12:11:20 <Khertan_n810> 2.14
Nov 07 12:11:34 <Khertan_n810> 2.14.1 to be extact
Nov 07 12:11:38 <Khertan_n810> exact
Nov 07 12:11:39 <suihkulokki> slapin: http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php
Nov 07 12:11:47 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 07 12:12:35 <Khertan_n810> strange
Nov 07 12:13:50 <yerga> Khertan_n810, try with gtk.gdk.Color.blue, and the same with red and green
Nov 07 12:14:00 <Stskeeps> heh, talk about a neat hack (the serial console one)
Nov 07 12:14:03 * RST38h likes the battery thermistor mention at that page
Nov 07 12:14:30 <RST38h> So, basically, as soon as the Li battery goes over some temperature, the device will stop using it
Nov 07 12:14:47 <slapin> suihkulokki, thanks a lot!
Nov 07 12:14:49 <Stskeeps> slapin: could consider a n800 instead to do it on, seems to be easier to reach serial on it
Nov 07 12:14:53 <Khertan_n810> yerga : this is a way but need convert as is 65535 base
Nov 07 12:17:29 <yerga> ah, yeah, you need the hex number
Nov 07 12:21:08 <Khertan_n810> hex(c.blue/255)[2:4]
Nov 07 12:21:52 <Khertan_n810> but for high level language and api it s not really a good way _)
Nov 07 12:21:54 <Khertan_n810> :)
Nov 07 12:22:18 <yerga> Khertan_n810, gtk.color_selection_palette_to_string([gdk.Color[]) returns the complete hex number
Nov 07 12:22:50 <Khertan_n810> ah it s better :)
Nov 07 12:23:05 <yerga> yeah, not workarounds
Nov 07 12:23:13 <yerga> I had it in some app for maemo
Nov 07 12:24:03 <Khertan_n810> héhé
Nov 07 12:24:19 <Khertan_n810> what this error means :
Nov 07 12:24:20 <Khertan_n810> GtkWarning: gtk_font_selection_set_font_name: assertion `gtk_widget_has_screen (GTK_WIDGET (fontsel))' failed
Nov 07 12:24:38 <Khertan_n810> ?
Nov 07 12:25:01 <yerga> no idea
Nov 07 12:26:56 <Khertan_n810> thx for help
Nov 07 12:27:12 <melmoth> Khertan_n810, something called  gtk_font_selection_set_font_name. This function check that the fontsel widget has a screen..And it did not.
Nov 07 12:27:39 <Khertan_n810> yep that the part i understand
Nov 07 12:27:47 <melmoth> well, it does not mean anything more :)
Nov 07 12:28:06 <Khertan_n810> but the one i dont is why it don t have a screen
Nov 07 12:29:07 <melmoth> i dont know exactly what "screen" mean in a font context anyway. I guess looking at what gtk_widget_has_sceen mean is the next step
Nov 07 12:29:36 <Khertan_n810> ok i ll look
Nov 07 12:29:38 <Khertan_n810> thx
Nov 07 12:29:39 <Khertan_n810> coming back to office
Nov 07 12:29:41 <Khertan_n810> bye
Nov 07 12:32:58 <Jaffa> Oh, how I love ITT: "Problem saving to /usr/local/bin"
Nov 07 12:35:57 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 07 13:16:27 <lcuk> had chicken today, doesn't taste like bacon
Nov 07 13:49:57 <RST38h> lcuk: Bacon: http://ars.sdstate.edu/swineext/Photos/ThreePiglets.jpg
Nov 07 13:50:17 <RST38h> lcuk: And judging from its eyes, it *knows* it's bacon =)
Nov 07 13:55:29 <robtaylor> tasty tasty bacon
Nov 07 13:55:59 <Stskeeps> there better be bacon on next maemo summit..
Nov 07 13:56:00 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 07 13:58:37 * Stskeeps ponders what to do today.
Nov 07 13:59:03 <RST38h> Sts: hildonize qalculate
Nov 07 13:59:13 <RST38h> Or the linux dc++ client
Nov 07 13:59:37 <Stskeeps> i'd rather do those after we get a sane base system, would make things a lot easier :P
Nov 07 14:00:55 <Stskeeps> think i'll watch southpark first and then get cracking on my idea of booting your emulator from your sb2 rootstrap
Nov 07 14:17:05 <Stskeeps> .. think people will not be happy about install script of an SDK setting up a NFS server?
Nov 07 14:18:14 <johnx> why does it need an NFS server?
Nov 07 14:18:31 <ShadowJK_> RST38h, a Li-ion battery gets warmer by using it, a damaged/low quality Li-Ion battery gets much warmer by using it, a Li-Ion battery much warmer than 90C will explode :) Imagine what happens if you make a cheap generic replacement battery and save a penny on using a resistor instead of thermistor :D
Nov 07 14:18:37 <RST38h> johnx: because it is braindamaged
Nov 07 14:18:54 <RST38h> lives in its own "filesystem" and needs NFS to access host fs
Nov 07 14:19:04 <Stskeeps> oh, i wasn't talking about that
Nov 07 14:19:06 <johnx> why won't a bind mount work?
Nov 07 14:19:18 <Stskeeps> i was talking about a qemu emulator booting off the sb2 rootstrap
Nov 07 14:19:25 <ShadowJK_> I thought NFS to localhost was racy and prone to deadlock on Linux...
Nov 07 14:19:27 <RST38h> Shadow: Ah, fuck the sensors, add the cameras so that we can watch those batteries explode!
Nov 07 14:19:56 <RST38h> NFS sucks moose balls, but in this case it is not the NFS to blame
Nov 07 14:19:57 <Stskeeps> but as i see this may not be directly sane :)
Nov 07 14:19:58 <ShadowJK_> RST38h, youtube is full of "Let's overcharge lithium batteries and watch the fireworks" videos
Nov 07 14:20:02 <johnx> maybe something a little more lightweight like sshfs would be better...
Nov 07 14:20:21 <Stskeeps> yeah, but can a linux kernel boot from that? maybe through a initfs :P
Nov 07 14:20:38 <johnx> ah, I see
Nov 07 14:20:47 <RST38h> Sts,johnx: Gentlemen, may I ask why you would need NFS in the SDK (assuming it is what you are talking about)
Nov 07 14:21:15 <johnx> using qemu system for the emulator instead of qemu user mode
Nov 07 14:21:25 <johnx> qemu user mode is the one that only kinda works and you hate it :)
Nov 07 14:21:28 <RST38h> Sts: qemu should have direct access to the restricted part of your host fs
Nov 07 14:21:43 <RST38h> Sts: no nfs, no sshfs, etc
Nov 07 14:21:47 <Stskeeps> RST38h: well, i'm just exploring the option of booting a real system instead of just binaries, from your roots
Nov 07 14:22:06 <Stskeeps> i'm speaking of the system emulator, not the elf binary emulation layer
Nov 07 14:22:06 <RST38h> Ah
Nov 07 14:22:09 <RST38h> Ok
Nov 07 14:22:27 <Stskeeps> but i'm starting to slide towards a jffs2 image or the likes would be more sane..
Nov 07 14:22:37 <Stskeeps> and some tools to aid this
Nov 07 14:23:01 <johnx> jffs2 image seems a little painful to setup
Nov 07 14:23:09 <johnx> how about a disk img?
Nov 07 14:23:16 <Stskeeps> also possible
Nov 07 14:24:39 <Stskeeps> -mtdblock -sd, etc
Nov 07 14:26:36 <johnx> right, for some reason I keep thinking we'll just emulate a versatile-pb with IDE. I guess it would make sense to just have a loopback jffs2 image then?
Nov 07 14:28:10 <Stskeeps> well IDE + hd image can work too.. the problem about loopback jffs2 means we need to be root to run sdk, - i need to edit proposal a bit since the NFS way isn't exactly sane after some exploring :P
Nov 07 14:28:25 <Stskeeps> i'm thinking we simply target a versatile-pb with the generic m-r platform at first
Nov 07 14:28:34 <Stskeeps> and then we can do specialized packages to actually boot stuff
Nov 07 14:28:45 <lardman|afk> qalculate, that;s a good idea, does it compile for ARM these days?
Nov 07 14:29:00 <RST38h> lardman: qwerty says it compiled but crashed on startu
Nov 07 14:29:11 <lardman> RST38h: ok, cool
Nov 07 14:29:12 <RST38h> lardman: unfortunately he had no time/expertise to see why
Nov 07 14:29:23 <lardman> where is the boy hey?
Nov 07 14:29:33 <RST38h> lardman: dc++ client also compiles but crashes when asking for credentials
Nov 07 14:29:36 <lardman> I'll have to ping him later on
Nov 07 14:30:13 <RST38h> lardman: Either should be worthy addition
Nov 07 14:30:59 <lardman> I had these issues when I tried a long while back: http://www.ginac.de/pipermail/cln-list/2007-February/000267.html
Nov 07 14:31:09 <lardman> dc++ is some M$ file sharing thing?
Nov 07 14:35:27 <Stskeeps> nop
Nov 07 14:35:31 <Stskeeps> direct connect
Nov 07 14:37:57 <lelux> is there dc++ client for maemo? what about torrent client?
Nov 07 14:39:55 <johnx> transmission for torrents
Nov 07 14:42:05 <lelux> so it seems thanx
Nov 07 14:47:56 <RST38h> transmission kinda sucketh
Nov 07 14:48:59 <woglinde> hi
Nov 07 14:51:06 <RST38h> Lenovo saw its profits take a dive in the last quarter  <=== DIES, Lenovo, DIE
Nov 07 14:51:53 <johnx> RST38h, still cranky about your work laptop?
Nov 07 14:52:23 <RST38h> johnx: Absolutely. It's shit.
Nov 07 14:52:41 <RST38h> johnx: Especially considering that people are getting reasonably useful HPs
Nov 07 14:52:59 <johnx> I did actually play with an x200 in a store. Can't seem to find much wrong with it initially
Nov 07 14:53:26 <RST38h> Dunno, I have got a T61
Nov 07 14:53:45 <johnx> I can't see bothering with their bigger ones
Nov 07 14:54:21 <RST38h> And I sincerely hope that as soon as Lenovo's remaining corporate supply contracts run out, it will die quick and painful death
Nov 07 14:54:38 <johnx> let me get an x200 first :P
Nov 07 14:55:10 <aquatix> x200 is rather nice
Nov 07 14:55:21 <aquatix> but i like the x61 screen better i think
Nov 07 14:55:34 * aquatix wants a x61 with 1400x1050 screen
Nov 07 14:55:50 <aquatix> but those are only in tablet form, and damn expensive
Nov 07 14:55:57 <RST38h> johnx: screw x200, get a toshiba r-series
Nov 07 14:56:15 <johnx> RST38h, give me a model number
Nov 07 14:56:25 <RST38h> R600, R500 if you are saving money
Nov 07 14:57:08 <woglinde> whats nice on hp you have seperate hw keys for disabling bt and wlan
Nov 07 14:57:23 <woglinde> most lenovo have only one for both
Nov 07 14:57:42 <RST38h> woglinde: fucked up lenovo disables ethernet when you switch lan on
Nov 07 14:57:47 <RST38h> wlan sorry
Nov 07 14:57:56 <woglinde> RST38h hm
Nov 07 14:57:57 * aquatix likes the Samsung x360: http://www.engadget.com/photos/samsung-x360-handled-fights-macbook-air-to-the-death/1004432/ and http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/28/samsung-debuts-x360-lighter-than-air-ultraportable/
Nov 07 14:58:07 <woglinde> RST38h didnt see this with an x61s
Nov 07 14:58:07 <RST38h> it is also impossible to remove it from the dock without losing display configuration
Nov 07 14:58:27 <johnx> sounds a lot like windows problems ...
Nov 07 14:58:32 <RST38h> its system "sooftware" goes absolute nuts
Nov 07 14:58:52 <RST38h> johnx: Not windows, but the crappy software layer that Lenovo supplies
Nov 07 14:59:04 <johnx> just saying it's not something I'd run into
Nov 07 14:59:21 <RST38h> johnx: Well, I am running into it several times a day
Nov 07 14:59:44 <johnx> jeez! an r500 starts at $1500?
Nov 07 15:00:30 <RST38h> Yea, they have got a $1500 model
Nov 07 15:00:42 <RST38h> No CDROM, AFAIK, but I never cared about CDROM anyway
Nov 07 15:01:01 <johnx> that's a bit high...
Nov 07 15:01:25 <johnx> at that price I might as well just get a Mac
Nov 07 15:01:32 <RST38h> johnx: I am using R100 as a desktop replacement, it is worth every penny of those $1800
Nov 07 15:03:29 <johnx> no trackpoint, slow CPU, no express card, and an ancient intel graphics chip for $1500 does not sound like an awesome deal
Nov 07 15:04:01 <RST38h> Well, get an R600
Nov 07 15:04:11 <RST38h> In a few months, it will cost the same $1500
Nov 07 15:04:47 <johnx> ...or an x200 which costs $1100 now
Nov 07 15:06:30 <johnx> anyways, not worth worrying about at this point
Nov 07 15:07:51 <RST38h> Except that it is twice heavier and runs out of battery 25% faster
Nov 07 15:08:11 <RST38h> And of course looks like it is designed by Soviets and built by Chinese
Nov 07 15:08:31 <johnx> my laptop doesn't need to be a fashion accessory
Nov 07 15:09:03 <RST38h> Neither does mine, but it shouldn't be THAT offensively ugly either
Nov 07 15:09:23 <suihkulokki> RST38h: hey, "Type 56" is excellent, that recipe can work ;)
Nov 07 15:09:32 <johnx> I've always liked the thinkpad design actually
Nov 07 15:09:46 <johnx> maybe, just maybe taste in design might be subjective :P
Nov 07 15:10:07 <RST38h> Here: http://www.notebookreview.com/picture.asp?f=34779
Nov 07 15:10:21 <RST38h> You can clearly see what happens when you let Chinese manage the design process
Nov 07 15:10:37 <johnx> I've used one quite extensively in a store actually
Nov 07 15:13:23 <aquatix> RST38h: hm, designed by Soviets and built by Chinese... isn't that the perfect linux machine? ;)
Nov 07 15:13:47 <aquatix> for the people by the people :)
Nov 07 15:14:21 <johnx> heh...or maybe a beagleboard in a workpad z50 case
Nov 07 15:14:28 <RST38h> aquatix: Not really =)
Nov 07 15:15:13 <aquatix> johnx: :)
Nov 07 15:19:13 * RST38h looked at z50: same ugly crap as its bigger brothers
Nov 07 15:19:25 <RST38h> MIPS based with WinCE...umgh
Nov 07 15:19:47 <johnx> mainly for nostalgia
Nov 07 15:19:55 <Stskeeps> heh, docpurge source "Real hackers don't read docs"
Nov 07 15:19:56 <johnx> runs netbsd well enough apparently
Nov 07 15:20:02 <RST38h> yep
Nov 07 15:22:03 <aquatix> johnx: friend of mine uses one as ssh/irssi terminal
Nov 07 15:22:13 <aquatix> with some bsd on it
Nov 07 15:22:23 <johnx> my zaurus will turn into that at this rate :/
Nov 07 15:23:30 <RST38h> does it have full qwerty keyboard
Nov 07 15:23:32 <RST38h> ?
Nov 07 15:23:43 <johnx> both have qwerty
Nov 07 15:24:21 <johnx> the old slide-out zaurus has a 4 row, the convertible tablet ones have a 5 row, but it's JP layout
Nov 07 15:26:55 * RST38h has seen that one used by a few Japanese students coming to a conference
Nov 07 15:27:41 <johnx> it's nice enough to type on once you adapt to the keyboard layout
Nov 07 15:28:04 <johnx> sadly, 64MB of RAM just isn't cutting it these days for graphical web browsing
Nov 07 15:28:35 <RST38h> Are Zauri dead now? Now plans to revive the line?
Nov 07 15:28:38 <RST38h> s/Now/No/
Nov 07 15:28:38 <infobot> RST38h meant: Are Zauri dead now? No plans to revive the line?
Nov 07 15:28:53 <johnx> Sharp still makes similar handhelds but they don't use Linux
Nov 07 15:29:00 <johnx> s/handhelds/dictionaries/
Nov 07 15:29:01 <infobot> johnx meant: Sharp still makes similar dictionaries but they don't use Linux
Nov 07 15:55:02 <RST38h> UIQ: As a result, yesterday, its remaining 270 employees were put on notice of dismissal. However Sony Ericsson has agreed to continue funding the company on a by month by month basis in order to allow the company to investigate options for the future.
Nov 07 15:56:30 <RST38h> And people at iTT are basically *mourning* dismissal of some guys from Nokia
Nov 07 15:56:47 <RST38h> Imagine how those 270 UIQ folks must feel =)
Nov 07 15:57:17 <nemo> pity. UIQ seemed like a neat idea
Nov 07 15:57:27 <nemo> 'course, ericsson has been on death watch for a while
Nov 07 15:58:19 <RST38h> UIQ actually has better, more organized APIs than S60
Nov 07 15:58:21 <ShadowJK_> I just can't bring myself the mourn the loss of some symbian perpetrators right now. Although I hope they find a new home somewhere doing something better :)
Nov 07 15:58:33 <qwerty12> RST38h, WAY less apps though
Nov 07 15:58:51 <RST38h> Shadow: Ok, let me put it into perspective: It is either Symbian *or* WinMobile. See now?
Nov 07 15:59:06 <RST38h> qwerty: yes, but UIQ is not to blame for it
Nov 07 15:59:33 <RST38h> Soneric is to blame - they didn't market and they didn't do decent support
Nov 07 15:59:45 <qwerty12> But the result is still the same in the end. If it dies, I really couldn't care less.
Nov 07 15:59:45 <thopiekar> Could someone please tell me how to work with pluthon on windows ... especialy how to configure copssh...
Nov 07 16:00:13 <RST38h> Eclipse? KILL.
Nov 07 16:00:42 <lardman|afk> qwerty12: just the man, qalculate
Nov 07 16:01:02 <qwerty12> lardman|afk, I never got it to work :/
Nov 07 16:01:11 <lardman|afk> what was the problem?
Nov 07 16:01:29 <lardman> your pastebin has expired
Nov 07 16:01:39 <qwerty12> It segfaulted as soon as I ran it
Nov 07 16:02:02 <qwerty12> I got cln compiled and because it took me years, I put up packages to save time: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/cln/
Nov 07 16:02:20 * thopiekar is now working on getting pluthon working on andLinux..
Nov 07 16:02:26 <qwerty12> That's about it regarding qalculate :/
Nov 07 16:02:38 <qwerty12> ~seen penguinbai
Nov 07 16:02:39 <qwerty12> ~seen penguinbait
Nov 07 16:02:42 <infobot> i haven't seen 'penguinbai', qwerty12
Nov 07 16:02:43 <infobot> penguinbait <n=smokey@c-68-62-90-22.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 43m 10s ago, saying: 'http://www.kogan.com.au/'.
Nov 07 16:02:51 <RST38h> The U.S. economy shed 240,000 jobs in October and the unemployment rate jumped sharply to 6.5 percent <-- that is 2% of workforce in 1 month
Nov 07 16:03:07 <qwerty12> grr, it would have been nice if he didn't want to chat while I was sleeping >.<
Nov 07 16:03:07 <lardman> qwerty12: what was the problem with cln?
Nov 07 16:03:20 <RST38h> thopiekar: Better integrate with some decent IDE
Nov 07 16:03:44 <qwerty12> lardman, no problems, it compiled fine, just the tests were pisstaking and took way more longer than the actual compile
Nov 07 16:03:53 <Stskeeps> johnx: possible issue though, some pages seem to say versatile fb is 8bit color?
Nov 07 16:03:59 <lardman> qwerty12: ah ok, you tested on device did you?
Nov 07 16:04:33 <johnx> Stskeeps, ahaha...we could still have it display in xephyr I guess
Nov 07 16:04:34 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, pong.
Nov 07 16:04:45 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah, i guess that would be the sane solution
Nov 07 16:04:45 <qwerty12> lardman, hmm, well it installed on device, the program I wanted to test it with segfaulted...  But like I said, I've got packages in that folder if you want to test it
Nov 07 16:04:51 <RST38h> Yes, General?
Nov 07 16:04:59 <johnx> Stskeeps, smacks of effort though
Nov 07 16:05:03 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, something about the wiki?
Nov 07 16:05:13 <Stskeeps> johnx: hm?
Nov 07 16:05:27 <RST38h> General: Yes, it looks like a bunch of howtos that have previously been in maemo.org development section are no longer there
Nov 07 16:05:28 <thopiekar> hmmm
Nov 07 16:05:36 <RST38h> There is some kind of a short stub but no links
Nov 07 16:05:39 <johnx> Stskeeps, "it seems like it would take effort"
Nov 07 16:05:44 <thopiekar> what system is maemo-garage using?
Nov 07 16:05:50 <thopiekar> svn or cvn?
Nov 07 16:05:51 <lardman> qwerty12: ok, I'll have another go at qalculate this evening, I had problems last time compiling cln
Nov 07 16:05:53 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, /development is a Nokia issue, not a wiki issue.
Nov 07 16:06:01 <thopiekar> *cvs
Nov 07 16:06:04 <qwerty12> thopiekar, svn
Nov 07 16:06:19 <Stskeeps> johnx: .. or we make reference platform n800 :P
Nov 07 16:06:25 <RST38h> General: All the same, some realyl important stuff like writing a hello world app is now missing
Nov 07 16:06:34 <johnx> Stskeeps, that does seem more reasonable, doesn't it?
Nov 07 16:06:37 <RST38h> No idea why
Nov 07 16:06:40 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, well, it doesn't fall under my responsibility.
Nov 07 16:06:45 <GeneralAntilles> File a bug on bugzilla.
Nov 07 16:06:56 <thopiekar> is there a howto to setting up it with eclipse
Nov 07 16:07:09 <Stskeeps> johnx: certainly a way to get things working..
Nov 07 16:08:19 <RST38h> ok
Nov 07 16:08:58 <Stskeeps> johnx: so reference platform should be a n800 booting off sd as an example i guess
Nov 07 16:09:23 <Stskeeps> (i don't think there's IDE support..)
Nov 07 16:09:33 <qwerty12> lardman, btw, how's the tube map going?
Nov 07 16:10:55 <johnx> maybe making a base jffs2 image and having any writes to it happen from inside qemu?
Nov 07 16:11:10 <johnx> maybe run dropbear on it by default for remote access?
Nov 07 16:12:01 <Stskeeps> mm
Nov 07 16:12:14 <Stskeeps> well, i'm going to try with SD at first, to get things booting, probably easiest right now
Nov 07 16:12:26 <johnx> agreed
Nov 07 16:12:29 <johnx> perfectly reasonable
Nov 07 16:12:53 <johnx> did you package up maemo gtk+ from stage for ubuntu yet? otherwise I'll take a swing and tell you where I run into trouble
Nov 07 16:12:57 <lardman> qwerty12: well I pulled a later version of metromap and it works well
Nov 07 16:13:06 <RST38h> ttg home
Nov 07 16:13:06 <Stskeeps> johnx: not yet, feel free
Nov 07 16:13:07 <lardman> qwerty12: doesn't look like there's much need to do anything
Nov 07 16:13:09 <qwerty12> cool :)
Nov 07 16:13:47 <lardman> I was meaning to try to contact the dev of the Garage project, I tried emailing him, next step is to ask on the maemo-devel list, and if no reply take ownership of the project
Nov 07 16:13:52 <Stskeeps> johnx: m-r sdk is a bit wonky atm. for some silly reason tcl-dev isn't installable and autoconf looks for tcl.m4...
Nov 07 16:14:00 <lardman> I've been pretty busy though, so was on the backburner
Nov 07 16:14:07 <Stskeeps> (for god knows why, and why is autoconf redirected in sb2?)
Nov 07 16:14:12 <johnx> Stskeeps, I'll just package native for now
Nov 07 16:14:19 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 07 16:14:21 <johnx> maybe get some distcc running
Nov 07 16:14:59 <Stskeeps> i'll continue cooking and get a qemu going then
Nov 07 16:16:13 <johnx> heh...that build-dep for libgtk2.0-0 is taking
Nov 07 16:16:16 <johnx> a while...
Nov 07 16:16:56 <GeneralAntilles> sjgadsby, ahaha, I had forgotten about that post.
Nov 07 16:17:57 <sjgadsby> I was reminded of it as I fixed comma usage in a wiki page.
Nov 07 16:20:18 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, ping.
Nov 07 16:23:21 * Stskeeps notes idly he's blind, didn't see n800/n810 in qemu-system-arm -M ?
Nov 07 16:23:47 <johnx> it might be in a patch, not upstream?
Nov 07 16:24:10 <qwerty12> No, the N8x0 emulation stuff got added into QEMU HEAD
Nov 07 16:24:15 <Stskeeps> what qwerty12 said
Nov 07 16:24:24 <GeneralAntilles> I'm hoping making fun of the voting theory people will encourage them to contribute.
Nov 07 16:24:40 <Stskeeps> douze points for qgil, that was an amazing comment
Nov 07 16:24:41 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 07 16:24:57 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, tell me how that works for you :P
Nov 07 16:25:22 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I've mostly lost my ability to be civil towards allnameswereout.
Nov 07 16:25:25 <GeneralAntilles> So it better work.
Nov 07 16:27:52 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, this is precious: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24768&page=4
Nov 07 16:28:12 <GeneralAntilles> andre__, WTF?!
Nov 07 16:28:55 <sjgadsby> GeneralAntilles: That's shaping up to be a great thread. I hope it continues.
Nov 07 16:29:26 <Stskeeps> nokia supports the tablet use on phone? scary, didn't know that
Nov 07 16:29:33 <Stskeeps> i must call and ask about DSME.
Nov 07 16:29:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 07 16:29:39 <johnx> don't they still make people take netiquette classes before letting them connect?
Nov 07 16:29:48 <johnx> are we just letting *anyone* on the internet these days?
Nov 07 16:29:55 <Stskeeps> yes, AOL ruined that for everyone
Nov 07 16:29:58 <GeneralAntilles> Andre apparently hates all of the work we've been doing: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=240113&post=#6
Nov 07 16:30:11 <qwerty12> Ooh, bad boy.
Nov 07 16:30:27 <Stskeeps> why gronmayer, why not packrat? :P
Nov 07 16:30:30 <GeneralAntilles> Hopefully ferenc will be done with the package search by the end of the year. <_<
Nov 07 16:33:29 <andre__> GeneralAntilles, haha
Nov 07 16:33:39 <andre__> not really. it's more that i described the current state.
Nov 07 16:34:39 <GeneralAntilles> When people ask about nuclear power, you don't just hand them a sample of U-238. :P
Nov 07 16:34:53 <andre__> I DO! :-P
Nov 07 16:34:58 * johnx wants his sample sized U-238
Nov 07 16:35:26 <andre__> johnx, just come over here
Nov 07 16:35:36 <andre__> i can prepare it as a gift for you
Nov 07 16:35:40 <GeneralAntilles> Strangers with uranium
Nov 07 16:36:01 * |rt| thinks you are all on the no fly list now
Nov 07 16:36:50 <nemo> bah, u-238, not nearly energetic enough to power my laptop
Nov 07 16:36:58 <nemo> I need something with a shorter half-life
Nov 07 16:37:09 <johnx> no way, we're nuclear powers now. :) the no-fly-list only applies to small-timers
Nov 07 16:37:12 <andre__> having uranium at home falls under the second amendment for me
Nov 07 16:37:26 <nemo> nuclear powered hot water heater!
Nov 07 16:37:31 <nemo> can be just the same size as the old one.
Nov 07 16:37:32 <johnx> wait, which one? freedom of religion?
Nov 07 16:37:37 <|rt|> hehe the right to mutate arms
Nov 07 16:37:54 <nemo> can recirculate excess hot water to the pool
Nov 07 16:38:50 <GeneralAntilles> |rt|, hehe, I was going to say. . . .
Nov 07 16:38:52 <sjgadsby> I blame Lowe's. If I'm not to be a nuclear power, they should stop selling me smoke detectors.
Nov 07 16:39:16 <GeneralAntilles> sjgadsby, I thought they instituted a monthly limit for you. :P
Nov 07 16:39:29 <sjgadsby> Bah, that's per store.
Nov 07 16:39:50 <|rt|> there's always HomeDepot
Nov 07 16:39:54 <johnx> the sell little tritium glow-in-the-dark zipper pulls on brando (or thanko?). International shipping? no problem!
Nov 07 16:50:28 <zaltair> could somebody send me to pastebin.com  /home/user/.mplayer/config file? i have some troubles with mplayer performance.. thanks..
Nov 07 16:53:23 <nemo> |rt|: meh. as long as I hold Lowe's stock I'm sticking with them :)
Nov 07 17:09:29 <disco_stu> hi
Nov 07 17:09:50 <Mousey> hi
Nov 07 17:10:42 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: are you around ?
Nov 07 17:16:12 <GeneralAntilles> disco_stu, for a bit
Nov 07 17:16:51 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: is easier asking you than asking Google
Nov 07 17:16:51 <disco_stu> :D:D
Nov 07 17:17:02 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: got a handy lifeguard mtd around for qemu?
Nov 07 17:17:05 <woglinde> he qwerty12
Nov 07 17:17:10 <Stskeeps> just wanting to verify stuff actually -works-
Nov 07 17:17:11 <disco_stu> i was wondering if you know how to send sms with the tablet through my phone
Nov 07 17:17:26 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I sent you my mtd1 dumps with lifeguard off last time.
Nov 07 17:17:26 <disco_stu> my phone is s6034d
Nov 07 17:17:28 <qwerty12> hi woglinde
Nov 07 17:17:31 <disco_stu> s603rd**
Nov 07 17:17:32 <GeneralAntilles> phonelink, don't know any more than that.
Nov 07 17:17:38 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: ah, didn't know that was it :) ta
Nov 07 17:17:47 <disco_stu> phonelink doesnt work with it
Nov 07 17:22:39 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: how's arguing with ubuntu going?
Nov 07 17:23:56 <johnx> disco_stu, why do you need to send it through your phone?
Nov 07 17:24:17 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, Not very well. I've pinned down the older network manager but my wifi connection is still bolloxed when connecting after a upgrade to intrepid. I'll copy my /etc/apt/preferences onto my windows partition and pin down ndiswrapper & wpasupplicant when I reformat the ubuntu partition again.
Nov 07 17:25:01 <woglinde> qwerty12 hm whats wrong with the new network-manager?
Nov 07 17:25:15 <woglinde> it now can even umts and gsm modems
Nov 07 17:26:44 <qwerty12> woglinde, it doesn't agree with ndiswrapper at all. It will take ages to connect (fine, I can wait for that) but 10 mins later, the connection will fuck up and everything will timeout and removing and reconnecting will not fix it and I can't even ifdown it because the new network manager won't add entries to /etc/network/interfaces like the old one did.
Nov 07 17:26:44 <mgedmin> in theory
Nov 07 17:28:19 <johnx> qwerty12, why not go around network manager and just manually use /etc/network/interfaces ?
Nov 07 17:28:56 <qwerty12> johnx, I tried to no avail
Nov 07 17:29:36 <qwerty12> I tried network manager from svn in hardy a long time ago and it shitfucked my connection even then.
Nov 07 17:29:45 <johnx> any entry in /etc/network/interfaces should put it under manual control
Nov 07 17:30:34 <woglinde> qwerty12 ndiswrapper suckz
Nov 07 17:30:39 <lardman> mmm, just had a ride in an Aston Martin, very cool
Nov 07 17:30:42 <qwerty12> woglinde, I know but I have no choice :/
Nov 07 17:30:56 <woglinde> johnx *g* yes guessnet with ifplugd and wpa_supplicant rockz
Nov 07 17:31:16 <woglinde> qwerty12???? you buyed a fuckuped wlan card?
Nov 07 17:31:25 <qwerty12> woglinde, yep
Nov 07 17:31:44 <woglinde> apache2 suckz
Nov 07 17:31:46 <woglinde> checking for /dev/zero... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling
Nov 07 17:32:23 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, DB9?
Nov 07 17:32:29 <lardman> Vantage
Nov 07 17:32:34 <GeneralAntilles> Nice car
Nov 07 17:32:42 <lardman> yep, very cool, nice noise :)
Nov 07 17:33:01 <GeneralAntilles> A V12 is a wonderful thing.
Nov 07 17:33:20 <lardman> beggars can't be choosers ;)
Nov 07 17:34:56 <GeneralAntilles> itT frequently suggests otherwise. :P
Nov 07 17:35:02 <lardman> lol
Nov 07 17:35:24 <johnx> beggars who are choosers often end up starving beggars
Nov 07 17:42:03 <disco_stu> johnx: my phone is gsm, n800 doesnt
Nov 07 17:42:18 <johnx> why not just send SMS messages via a web site?
Nov 07 17:42:37 <disco_stu> in my country it is not reliable
Nov 07 17:42:49 <disco_stu> and sometimes you are in zones without wifi
Nov 07 17:44:28 <l7> Pit's funny that the thumbpad is actually easier to use with one thumb and a stylus
Nov 07 17:45:11 <l7> s/Pit's/it's/
Nov 07 17:45:11 <infobot> l7 meant: it's funny that the thumbpad is actually easier to use with one thumb and a stylus
Nov 07 17:47:19 <Stskeeps> johnx: woo, progress, jffs2 image booting.. craptacularly
Nov 07 17:47:26 <johnx> hawt!
Nov 07 17:47:48 <Stskeeps> seemingily mkfs.jffs2 can now make hard links in jffs, but diablo kernel can't take it ;)
Nov 07 17:48:27 <johnx> haha...and I'm torturing my zaurus as a build machine while I figure out what's up with my n800 not wanting to play nice with fbcon
Nov 07 17:48:56 <johnx> actually, the control for stage's gtk+ looks like it doesn't need much hacking
Nov 07 17:57:24 <zaltair> when you play video (800kbps 600x350 resolution, MPEG-4, MP3 audio) with mplayer, how much it takes CPU ? 90% ?
Nov 07 17:58:14 <johnx> should be a little less I'd expect
Nov 07 18:00:39 <GeneralAntilles> Or more, depending on the amount of movement on screen
Nov 07 18:02:31 <zaltair> ok, i was expecting more less ~ 30%.... hmmm  should i convert videos to internet tablet? it is better?
Nov 07 18:03:08 <johnx> 400 pixels across is a nice size
Nov 07 18:05:18 <zaltair> and a performance ?  which one of codecs is better?
Nov 07 18:05:26 <johnx> mpeg4 is good
Nov 07 18:06:20 <zaltair> ok i will use http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/tablet-encode/ ...
Nov 07 18:14:54 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Nov 07 18:15:15 <Havi> Yo!
Nov 07 18:15:39 * Khertan_n810 is just uploading is first home applet where font, size, color and background color can be set in preferences ...
Nov 07 18:15:53 <Havi> zomg
Nov 07 18:15:57 <Khertan_n810> now i need to do it for all my applet
Nov 07 18:16:24 <Havi> yay
Nov 07 18:18:51 <johnx> hey Havi :D
Nov 07 18:19:13 <Khertan_n810> :)
Nov 07 18:20:07 <Khertan_n810> arg first bug found
Nov 07 18:20:31 <GAN800> Stupid Havi
Nov 07 18:21:19 <Havi> :<
Nov 07 18:25:10 <Khertan_n810> bug found !
Nov 07 18:26:12 <l7> what bug?
Nov 07 18:27:03 <Havi> Stupid GAN800
Nov 07 18:31:55 <Khertan_n810> in HomeTask 0.9.0
Nov 07 18:34:03 <Khertan_n810> homeip 0.9.1 uploaded to autobuilder queue
Nov 07 18:34:05 <Khertan_n810> :)
Nov 07 18:34:33 <Khertan_n810> if someone use it i think you will like the new version
Nov 07 18:34:44 <Khertan_n810> you can now customize setting
Nov 07 18:48:21 <woglinde> hi Khertan
Nov 07 18:53:12 <Khertan_n810> hi woglinde
Nov 07 18:54:43 <Khertan_n810> taking my car ... bye
Nov 07 19:13:53 <dmz> hey, anyone here connected n810 to a verizon broadband plan?
Nov 07 19:14:04 <dmz> w/out bluetooth tether to cell phone (usb modem)?
Nov 07 21:06:17 <kup> hi! how can i use an image on a button with pygtk? i have code that works on my desktop pc but not on the nit. there are no errors or warnings
Nov 07 21:23:01 <rm_you> blah
Nov 07 21:23:33 <rm_you> didn't come home for a week and my computer rebooted itself >_<
Nov 07 21:23:48 * rm_you is appalled that he wasn't even idling IRC
Nov 07 21:23:55 <qwerty12_N800> heh
Nov 07 21:24:11 <rm_you> I miss my old life ... sort of
Nov 07 21:24:22 <rm_you> programming and chatting in #maemo all day :P
Nov 07 21:24:31 <rm_you> no time these days :(
Nov 07 21:24:51 <rm_you> maybe during thanksgiving or christmas break! ^_^
Nov 07 21:25:05 <rm_you> time to go be a slave now.
Nov 07 21:25:24 * rm_you leaves
Nov 07 21:25:50 <qwerty12_N800> see ya rm_you :(
Nov 07 21:25:51 * rm_you waves at qwerty12_N800, GeneralAntilles, johnx, lcuk, jott and others
Nov 07 21:27:17 <RST38h> rm_me
Nov 07 21:27:47 * qwerty12_N800 rm -rf's RST38h 
Nov 07 21:27:53 <RST38h> rm_you: have you got married or what? =)
Nov 07 21:28:09 * RST38h pulls two keys out of qwerty and makes him German
Nov 07 21:28:14 <RST38h> Hello, azerty12
Nov 07 21:28:31 <qwerty12_N800> Hmm, azerty, eh?
Nov 07 21:28:56 * qwerty12_N800 rm -rf's this fake bitch! :P
Nov 07 21:30:47 <lcuk> hiya rm_you \o
Nov 07 21:31:11 <LinuxCode> evening lcuk
Nov 07 21:31:48 <lcuk> bloody hell, hello lc
Nov 07 21:31:59 <qwerty12_N800> ello lcuk
Nov 07 21:32:41 <LinuxCode> haha
Nov 07 21:32:43 <lcuk> hiya qwerty12_N800, my god [WHIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ] its a noisey friday [BANG] night
Nov 07 21:32:47 <LinuxCode> why the bloody hell bit ?
Nov 07 21:33:22 * LinuxCode lights a rocket as he types the message
Nov 07 21:33:35 <lcuk> cos rm_you is a bit of a stranger like you
Nov 07 21:33:37 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, hehe, we've had our share of fireworks for the past few days :D
Nov 07 21:34:17 <lcuk> yeah qwerty, i just got woke up by a massive one, damn late starters
Nov 07 21:34:27 <LinuxCode> I am strange too mate
Nov 07 21:34:30 <LinuxCode> rofl
Nov 07 21:34:31 <LinuxCode> j/k
Nov 07 21:35:02 <lcuk> its ok lc, your actions speak louder than words :)
Nov 07 21:35:28 <LinuxCode> haha
Nov 07 21:35:30 <LinuxCode> ;-|
Nov 07 21:35:34 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Nov 07 21:36:00 <lcuk> what are folks upto then tonight
Nov 07 21:36:10 <qwerty12_N800> ʇsǝɓuɐɹʇs ǝɥʇ ɯ͵I
Nov 07 21:36:23 <LinuxCode> about to make dinner
Nov 07 21:36:31 <LinuxCode> and helping some fedora peepz
Nov 07 21:36:34 <LinuxCode> self ?
Nov 07 21:36:40 <lcuk> and there ladies and gentlemen is the reason why digital in the home is dangerous
Nov 07 21:37:03 <lcuk> i just woke up after dozing off earlier
Nov 07 21:37:31 <lcuk> i have a few ideas for code i want to try, but will probably just piss the time away havin a laff somewhere
Nov 07 21:38:19 <LinuxCode> lcuk, haha
Nov 07 21:38:24 <LinuxCode> can I join in ?
Nov 07 21:38:33 <LinuxCode> I need a drink
Nov 07 21:38:42 <lcuk> no, get your own channel :P
Nov 07 21:38:57 <LinuxCode> ok fine
Nov 07 21:38:59 <lcuk> good idea actually, ive finished my toast and yogurt now
Nov 07 21:38:59 <LinuxCode> rofl
Nov 07 21:39:50 <lcuk> brb
Nov 07 21:41:10 <lcuk> back now
Nov 07 21:41:18 <lcuk> should i sue my milkman btw
Nov 07 21:41:52 <lcuk> i just did what i always do, opened milk drink from bottle
Nov 07 21:42:02 <lcuk> i wouldv made my missus proud though
Nov 07 21:42:48 <lcuk> i started to drink from the bottle and thought "that feels wrong"
Nov 07 21:43:18 <lcuk> the entire top of the bottle was missing and i had my gob ontop oof vsharp raw glass :S
Nov 07 21:43:27 <lcuk> suffice to say i brought my milk in a glass
Nov 07 21:43:31 <qwerty12_N800> :/
Nov 07 21:43:37 <LinuxCode> lcuk, lool
Nov 07 21:43:54 <LinuxCode> Id spank my partner if they would do that
Nov 07 21:43:54 <RST38h> umgh
Nov 07 21:44:10 <LinuxCode> breed your caries bacteria in drinks
Nov 07 21:44:26 <lcuk> LinuxCode, why wait for a reason, spank your partner every day
Nov 07 21:44:38 <LinuxCode> haha
Nov 07 21:44:41 <lcuk> and LinuxCode my method is best, 1 pint of milk is not a multiuser experience
Nov 07 21:44:47 <LinuxCode> haha
Nov 07 21:44:48 <lcuk> open, drink
Nov 07 21:44:58 <lcuk> saves on glasses normally
Nov 07 21:45:04 <tank-man> want a reason not to drink from the milk carton/bottle? expired milk/chunks
Nov 07 21:45:19 * RST38h , of all things in this story, is mostly impressed by the fact that lcuk has a milkman
Nov 07 21:45:23 <tank-man> cant see it till its too late
Nov 07 21:45:34 <lcuk> tank-man, ahhh you see, fresh milk every day and clear glass bottles
Nov 07 21:45:39 <qwerty12_N800> tank-man, stop that! you're making me thirsty
Nov 07 21:45:56 <lcuk> RST38h, local economy is vital
Nov 07 21:46:03 <lcuk> community :)
Nov 07 21:46:10 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, lol, i haven't seen one for years round here :(
Nov 07 21:46:53 <lcuk> besides, all of are so pissed off with not having milk for cornflakes and we are all so lazy and we all hate the big bottles
Nov 07 21:46:57 <RST38h> qwerty: Same here, but then we live at 16th floor =)
Nov 07 21:47:07 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Nov 07 21:47:35 <lcuk> RST38h, have you ever poured a drink from that height
Nov 07 21:47:40 <RST38h> And the nearest milk cow probably lives somewhere in Istra
Nov 07 21:47:55 <RST38h> I normally use rotten eggs for that, lcuk
Nov 07 21:48:27 <lcuk> rottten eggs dont do the effect i was thinking off, but would most likely score a few points
Nov 07 21:48:43 <RST38h> depends on what you hit
Nov 07 21:48:56 <lcuk> yeah zombies are good targets
Nov 07 21:49:20 <RST38h> and 5 bicyclists in a row give you +5000 bonus
Nov 07 21:49:35 <lcuk> heh, thats like the hari's in original gta
Nov 07 21:50:00 <lcuk> at 16 floors up, the eggs must reach terminal velocity
Nov 07 21:50:19 <RST38h> again depends on whom you are trying to terminate with them
Nov 07 21:50:56 <lcuk> best thing i ever saw thrown out of a high rise was a paper plane, some geezer recorded it and watched it fly around new york (i think) for ages
Nov 07 21:51:14 * RST38h does that, every now and then
Nov 07 21:51:29 <lcuk> heh
Nov 07 21:51:43 <lcuk> are you near the top of your block?
Nov 07 21:51:47 <RST38h> When I was a kid, we actually lit them, but I am a good boy now
Nov 07 21:52:10 <lcuk> heh, but why would you waste a good torch
Nov 07 21:52:13 <RST38h> lcuk: Depends. Most buildings here are 25 stories high now
Nov 07 21:52:35 <lcuk> could you cope with being higher?
Nov 07 21:52:36 <RST38h> But our windows overlook a park
Nov 07 21:52:46 <lcuk> or does it not matter now you are already way up
Nov 07 21:52:59 <RST38h> lcuk: not a problem for me
Nov 07 21:53:12 <RST38h> at least this building does not sway
Nov 07 21:53:12 <lcuk> does your block rock in the wind
Nov 07 21:53:21 * lcuk hates sleeping in buildings that move
Nov 07 21:53:56 <LinuxCode> lcuk, reminds me of sutton
Nov 07 21:54:03 <LinuxCode> used to live top floor when I was 3
Nov 07 21:54:04 <RST38h> lcuk: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0+34,+%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.635244,76.113281&ie=UTF8&ll=55.856823,37.493795&spn=0.002668,0.004646&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr
Nov 07 21:54:11 <LinuxCode> anyway time for dinner
Nov 07 21:54:21 <lcuk> alrighty lc, what you havin?
Nov 07 21:54:23 <RST38h> lcuk: there is no way this thing can move
Nov 07 21:55:01 * Stskeeps 's apartment block would stand after a nuclear blast.
Nov 07 21:55:13 <lcuk> ahhh, its not a tower, its a cornerstone
Nov 07 21:55:36 <RST38h> lcuk: three x25fl towers + 9fl connecting block
Nov 07 21:55:57 <lcuk> the one on the other side of the park looks like its self standing
Nov 07 21:56:40 <RST38h> yes except it is not a park, it's residential area
Nov 07 21:56:49 <RST38h> the park is to the south
Nov 07 21:58:53 <lcuk> cool, i just zoomed out, i knew moscow was big, but didnt really think about how big
Nov 07 21:59:15 <lcuk> Stskeeps, how far up are you?
Nov 07 21:59:19 <RST38h> lcuk: ~15mil people, ~25mil with the area
Nov 07 22:01:30 <Stskeeps> lcuk: two floor apt
Nov 07 22:02:48 <lcuk> heh Stskeeps then its not exactly a tower is it - or are your 2 floors 97 stories up?
Nov 07 22:03:19 <RST38h> Sts: A penthouse? =)
Nov 07 22:03:55 <Stskeeps> not a tower :P
Nov 07 22:03:56 <Stskeeps> http://www.filizofia.com/photodiary/DKAarhus/DSC_7742.jpg
Nov 07 22:04:54 <LinuxCode> prison ?
Nov 07 22:05:13 <Stskeeps> nah, student housing, but close.
Nov 07 22:05:46 <lcuk> heh
Nov 07 22:06:24 <kup> hi! how can i use an image on a button with pygtk? i have code that works on my desktop pc but not on the nit. there are no errors or warnings
Nov 07 22:06:38 * Stskeeps continues getting m-r booting in n800-qemu
Nov 07 22:07:05 <lcuk> kup, what happens
Nov 07 22:07:11 <lcuk> and what desktop were you doing it in
Nov 07 22:07:41 <kup> on ubuntu ... but on maemo there are no images, just the text on the button
Nov 07 22:08:05 <kup> wanna see code?
Nov 07 22:08:14 <lcuk> not really, was just curious
Nov 07 22:08:22 <lcuk> im not a pyman
Nov 07 22:08:39 <lcuk> some folks come and try after using windows stuff
Nov 07 22:09:12 <lcuk> there shoudl eb errors of some kind if its failing to load your assets, but then again can you disable errors (on error resume next)
Nov 07 22:13:29 <kup> man, this is an ubuntu bug!! i didn't set gtk-button-images so the images should be ignored, but ubuntu doesn't do it
Nov 07 22:14:34 <lcuk> well make sure when you complain to them, if they get stuck looking for a solution tell them the more advanced high tech maemo platform has the answer
Nov 07 22:14:53 <LinuxCode> lcuk, bahahah
Nov 07 22:14:56 <LinuxCode> ouch
Nov 07 22:15:48 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/boot-MR.log.txt
Nov 07 22:15:49 <Stskeeps> woo
Nov 07 22:15:58 <Stskeeps> (minimal ubuntu booting in qemu-arm n800 emulatiom.)
Nov 07 22:16:41 <Stskeeps> from a jffs2 image on 37mb
Nov 07 22:16:53 <lcuk> Stskeeps, how come at [    1.140624] it says "Help, STS has me locked inside a little machine"
Nov 07 22:17:13 <Stskeeps> lcuk: a midget turns the wheel
Nov 07 22:18:20 <lcuk> Stskeeps, you replaced the ferret?
Nov 07 22:18:26 <Stskeeps> yes
Nov 07 22:18:56 <lcuk> thats where you got the speed from
Nov 07 22:18:58 <Stskeeps> it's like maemo.org where the 770s are running inside the wheels
Nov 07 22:18:58 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 07 22:19:05 <lcuk> you should speak to hrw
Nov 07 22:19:13 <lcuk> he has done lots of work towards this
Nov 07 22:19:20 <Stskeeps> ofcourse, it's his code i'm using
Nov 07 22:19:21 <Stskeeps> qemu HEAD
Nov 07 22:19:37 <Stskeeps> it's -very- impressive how much he's done
Nov 07 22:20:03 <lcuk> yeah, but not just using, speak to him and discuss how it could be improved
Nov 07 22:20:11 <lcuk> most of all, get xv working in it ;)
Nov 07 22:20:15 <Stskeeps> hehe.
Nov 07 22:20:28 <Stskeeps> i'm not sure it would be such a fancy experience
Nov 07 22:21:19 <lcuk> yeah i know theres a lot that the emu itself has to do and it could never really be made that slick
Nov 07 22:21:49 <lcuk> but based on the reading of your sdk stuff and knowing you want emu system for it, it would help to do all you can
Nov 07 22:22:07 <lcuk> im really looking forward to the new device
Nov 07 22:22:13 <lcuk> i cant wait to try building in c++
Nov 07 22:22:28 <Stskeeps> is c++ support really that bad?
Nov 07 22:22:35 <Stskeeps> i admit, i haven't compiled c++ on it
Nov 07 22:22:38 <lcuk> no, it just cant keep up with me
Nov 07 22:22:41 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 07 22:22:50 <lcuk> it works perfectly, but takes much longer per compiled file
Nov 07 22:23:22 <lcuk> my frustration threshold is about 5-10 seconds from starting build to havin a running system
Nov 07 22:23:28 <lcuk> its fine for c
Nov 07 22:23:39 <lcuk> and simpler on my mind with it on device
Nov 07 22:23:51 <lcuk> but c++ and vala and other things are just too long
Nov 07 22:23:58 <RST38h> all right, sleep!
Nov 07 22:24:09 <lcuk> ok RST38h nice chattin with you
Nov 07 22:24:17 <RST38h> lcuk: Hey, you can do the opposite crosscompilation!
Nov 07 22:24:33 <Stskeeps> yeah, distcc to a cross compilation toolchain
Nov 07 22:24:34 <Stskeeps> i did that
Nov 07 22:24:34 <RST38h> lcuk: Use your tablet to ssh to a remote server with Maemo SDK installed, compiled there, transfer back and run
Nov 07 22:24:38 <Stskeeps> .. or that
Nov 07 22:24:48 <RST38h> s/compiled/compile
Nov 07 22:25:34 <lcuk> no, (1) i hate scratchbox, (2) it would be slower scping files around (3) it has its own issues of latency (4) i cant use it when im just randomly out and about (5) i hate scratchbox
Nov 07 22:26:00 <lcuk> the only real solution will come when i get a native linux desktop, but thats not going to happen until i find a way to afford an asus eee top
Nov 07 22:26:09 <Stskeeps> lcuk: tried sb2 yet?
Nov 07 22:26:12 <lcuk> liqbase needs a daddy :)
Nov 07 22:26:14 <Stskeeps> it's actually a lot more saner
Nov 07 22:26:21 <RST38h> lcuk: 1) use sb2, screw sb1 2) no, compilation time will be much shorter 3) dunno 4) use "screen" on the server 5) see 1
Nov 07 22:26:34 <Stskeeps> and that comes from a firm scratchbox hater
Nov 07 22:26:56 <Stskeeps> (v1)
Nov 07 22:27:03 <RST38h> lcuk: For sb2, you can make use of my makefiles (available from fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/) - they completely skip the autoconf process
Nov 07 22:27:11 <lcuk> RST38h, compilation NOW using device is FASTER than my old method of building in scratchbox inside vmware and scping to device and executing
Nov 07 22:27:25 <RST38h> lcuk: oh, screw vmware
Nov 07 22:27:38 <lcuk> please dont try to change my desktop :)
Nov 07 22:27:44 <RST38h> lcuk: Just get a remote Linux account somewhere, install sb2 there, and ssh
Nov 07 22:28:00 <lcuk> (4) falls down there
Nov 07 22:28:01 <RST38h> you do not really need a linux desktop, an account at any sshable system will suffice
Nov 07 22:29:21 <RST38h> ok, really asleep now.
Nov 07 22:29:28 <lcuk> alright, gnite
Nov 07 22:36:16 <lcuk> Stskeeps, build time for liqbase has gone up to 3 minutes
Nov 07 22:38:13 <Stskeeps> scary
Nov 07 22:38:35 <Stskeeps> the next firefox in terms of time to build soon? ;)
Nov 07 22:38:42 <lcuk> oi!
Nov 07 22:38:53 <lcuk> added libraries and things to every file which could be altered dramatically
Nov 07 22:39:14 <Stskeeps> okay, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed - does this return a blank page for the rest of you?
Nov 07 22:39:25 <lcuk> i do like the experience of having on device building o matter how inpractical for now, but it at least lets me feel the machine and understand its capabilities
Nov 07 22:39:43 <lcuk> not this time, but randomly it does for any pages
Nov 07 22:39:46 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 07 22:41:15 <lcuk> Stskeeps, the mauku comment about deblet from quim,   get together with qole and others and strengthen core maemo.  "R" is worthwhile and your documenting the process is important and good
Nov 07 22:41:20 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, the wiki fucks up from time to time. in firefox, press ctrl-shift-r to force it to reload w/out using cached stuff
Nov 07 22:41:35 <Stskeeps> lcuk: yeah, that was what i indicated in my answer too
Nov 07 22:41:51 <Stskeeps> i wasn't offended or something, just giving my view :)
Nov 07 22:41:54 <lcuk> yes, and im indicating in my strongest terms that its good
Nov 07 22:42:01 <Stskeeps> i like the attention :P
Nov 07 22:42:20 <lcuk> as you should
Nov 07 22:42:42 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, do you have a paper round?
Nov 07 22:43:00 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, no
Nov 07 22:43:05 * Stskeeps did when he was 13-18, then got so horridly tired of it
Nov 07 22:43:21 <Stskeeps> after realising i could spend two hours coding and get 250$ for it
Nov 07 22:43:21 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 07 22:43:29 <lcuk> then you need to tell your dad "i dont want any spending money, i swore today on irc and im repaying the debt"
Nov 07 22:43:35 <lcuk> :P
Nov 07 22:43:55 <qwerty12_N800> don't think anyone gets papers delivered round here, tesco's is nearby :)
Nov 07 22:44:01 <qwerty12_N800> hehe :p
Nov 07 22:44:09 <lcuk> my luke has a paper round
Nov 07 22:44:29 <lcuk> he just uses it as an excuse not to come home and to faff at mcdonalds and stop at grandmas for tea
Nov 07 22:44:46 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i managed to run up 1000 pound in dialup fees when i was 14, so i kinda had to pay it off..
Nov 07 22:45:08 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, lol :P
Nov 07 22:45:12 <lcuk> �1000 :O thats a lotta money, what might i ask were u dialing up?
Nov 07 22:45:15 <Stskeeps> wait, no, that wasn't dialup
Nov 07 22:45:22 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, ooh, bollocks >.<
Nov 07 22:45:25 <Stskeeps> that was me talking locally to a girl friend of mine
Nov 07 22:45:29 <lcuk> naughty nurse hotline
Nov 07 22:45:33 <Stskeeps> hehe, :P
Nov 07 22:45:35 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Nov 07 22:45:39 <lcuk> 0898 tits-out
Nov 07 22:45:49 <Stskeeps> worst part was it was local area
Nov 07 22:46:11 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, should have done a reverse call :p
Nov 07 22:46:28 <lcuk> tracy was in hospital once and they had a really expensive bedside phone service, i spoke for hours to her  :$
Nov 07 22:46:33 <lcuk> we got cut off after that i believe
Nov 07 22:46:51 <lcuk> or just got off his lazy ass and gone round there
Nov 07 22:47:01 <lcuk> theres more benefits actually being in the same room as a hot gal
Nov 07 22:47:44 <Stskeeps> indeed
Nov 07 22:47:53 * Stskeeps runs third mkfs.jffs2 tonight
Nov 07 22:48:19 <Stskeeps> trying if i can make X run on the emulator
Nov 07 22:48:25 <Stskeeps> then next step is getting maemo GTK + hildon going
Nov 07 22:48:32 <Stskeeps> and suddenly we have a interesting proof of concept.
Nov 07 22:49:27 <lcuk> yes should be able to
Nov 07 22:49:36 <lcuk> i think hrw had full thing on
Nov 07 22:49:44 <lcuk> infact, yeah he did cos he installed liqbase into it
Nov 07 22:49:52 <lcuk> and also mplayer - to test the xv stuff
Nov 07 22:51:13 <lcuk> ok, ive got something i need to build
Nov 07 22:54:13 <Stskeeps> lcuk: and regarding qole, he'd be good to get in on how to integrate non-hildon apps into hildon, or reverse, his new stuff single-handed removed most reasons to boot into deblet ;)
Nov 07 22:54:59 <lcuk> yes, you and qole have a lot of common ground - if i was running a company i would have you combining skills
Nov 07 22:55:22 <Stskeeps> hehe. think we both have some strong personalities though
Nov 07 22:55:42 <lcuk> yes undeniably - personality is a strength
Nov 07 22:56:06 <lcuk> but thankfully there is a whole atlantic ocean between you two
Nov 07 22:59:02 <Stskeeps> last project i ran there was a similar seperation, and yet if the guy ever met me he would kick my ass so badly :>
Nov 07 22:59:19 <lcuk> lol
Nov 07 23:03:12 <lcuk> Stskeeps, forgive me for being thick, were you actually at the summit
Nov 07 23:03:21 <Stskeeps> nop
Nov 07 23:03:31 <Stskeeps> i had thought about it but then my gf's internship got moved a month
Nov 07 23:03:59 <Stskeeps> maybe next year
Nov 07 23:04:01 <lcuk> ahh
Nov 07 23:04:34 <lcuk> i have memories of talking to so many people and ive just tried to rack my brain to see whether you fit into any of them
Nov 07 23:04:44 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 07 23:04:46 <Stskeeps> doubt it
Nov 07 23:04:56 <lcuk> maybe next year it wont matter - i hope to have liqbase getting all data in by then :)
Nov 07 23:05:53 <Stskeeps> the market next year will be really interesting, atleas
Nov 07 23:05:53 <Stskeeps> t
Nov 07 23:05:58 <lcuk> any idea on whether i can start a thread, but assign a priority to it, so instead of both threads going hell for leather the main thread continues at ~ 75% cpu but the other just trickles
Nov 07 23:06:10 <Stskeeps> yeah, think pthread api has that
Nov 07 23:06:14 <Stskeeps> lemme just drag out my book
Nov 07 23:06:21 <lcuk> ahhh cool, thx
Nov 07 23:06:23 <woglinde> lol someone wrote an android programm to sart busybox's telnet
Nov 07 23:06:53 <lcuk> heh woglinde i just go to a console, damn closed oses ;)
Nov 07 23:07:43 <Stskeeps> lcuk: look into pthread_attr_setschedparam
Nov 07 23:07:51 <lcuk> yeah i will thanks
Nov 07 23:07:53 <Stskeeps> oreilly's pthreads programming is a good buy
Nov 07 23:08:06 <Stskeeps> .. or dl
Nov 07 23:08:13 <lcuk> i simply had one running at full belt and it threw out my kinetic
Nov 07 23:08:23 <lcuk> if i ccan tell it to go slowly then i might return the code
Nov 07 23:08:47 <lcuk> i dont think i would want an entire book on threads, i havent got enough time to do that in every library
Nov 07 23:09:18 <lcuk> thats always my problem actually, i like to see interfaces of all kinds move and work, but i dont want to get bogged down making the final app
Nov 07 23:09:31 <lcuk> (apart from my sketching :))
Nov 07 23:09:50 <woglinde> he books ruling
Nov 07 23:10:07 <lcuk> pardon?
Nov 07 23:10:35 <woglinde> I meant reading books is good
Nov 07 23:10:56 <lcuk> oh yes i agree
Nov 07 23:10:59 <lcuk> i read a lot of niven :)
Nov 07 23:11:30 <lcuk> and when i havent got a niven im investigating reading up on the doctor who 'verse
Nov 07 23:15:01 <bef0rd> hey Stskeeps, just wondering, what version of libgfs are you using on deblet?
Nov 07 23:15:25 <Stskeeps> libwhatnow?
Nov 07 23:16:03 <bef0rd> libgsf sorry
Nov 07 23:16:09 <Stskeeps> same as debian lenny i gues
Nov 07 23:17:50 <bef0rd> I see, have you got a package for gnumeric?
Nov 07 23:18:46 <Stskeeps> if it's in debian lenny, we do
Nov 07 23:19:43 <bef0rd> oh, I'm asking just to see if you've experienced this http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350973 which is supposed to be fixed on SVN
Nov 07 23:20:00 <Stskeeps> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnumeric
Nov 07 23:21:10 <Stskeeps> I'd appreciate it if someone could confirm that the problem as
Nov 07 23:21:10 <Stskeeps> reported by Keith is no longer reproducible after updating libgsf to the svn
Nov 07 23:21:10 <Stskeeps> trunk version.
Nov 07 23:21:20 <Stskeeps> according to that page
Nov 07 23:24:25 <bef0rd> yea, but it's not confirmed :P I'll try to install deblet later tonight. thanks
Nov 07 23:26:57 <benno2> hi, I am looking for the libpq5 .deb for Diablo on repository.maemo.org . any idea where I can find it ? in http://repository.maemo.org/extras ?
Nov 07 23:27:18 <woglinde> wnat to run postgres ?
Nov 07 23:27:35 <woglinde> maybe it is in extras-devel
Nov 07 23:27:54 <benno2> no i want only to use a postgres client
Nov 07 23:28:34 <benno2> apt-get does not work because I have installed sliderotate und it causes a package conflict when I try  apt-get install libpq5
Nov 07 23:29:18 <benno2> this is why I try to install the .deb directly but cannot find it. can I read the exact http location in some file somewhere ?
Nov 07 23:29:36 <woglinde> then you will have conflicts too
Nov 07 23:29:39 <mikkov_> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/p/postgresql-8.3/
Nov 07 23:30:12 <woglinde> there is no differences, you install with dpkg --force-all
Nov 07 23:30:23 <woglinde> but nextttime you use apt you will have problems
Nov 07 23:30:23 <benno2> mikkov_: thanks , trying now
Nov 07 23:30:53 <benno2> woglinde: yes I know this apt-problem . its due sliderrotate (allows 90deg screen rotation) that installed a new kernel
Nov 07 23:31:13 <woglinde> new kernel?
Nov 07 23:31:46 <mikkov_> could you give the exact error message from apt?
Nov 07 23:34:07 <benno2> mikkov_: http://pastebin.ca/1248268  sorry its in german but its basically due to a missing dependency. if I do apt-get install -f   it asks me if I want to uninstall lots of packages (probably becaue they depend on the kernel)
Nov 07 23:34:40 <woglinde> rgs
Nov 07 23:34:44 <woglinde> sorry
Nov 07 23:37:30 <benno2> woglinde: strange the dpkg cmd works without --force-all  : dpkg -i libpq5_8.3.3-0maemo1_armel.deb
Nov 07 23:37:30 <woglinde> benno2 will look at your pastebin now
Nov 07 23:37:31 <woglinde> but my connection now isnt really fast
Nov 07 23:37:42 <mikkov_> it's not about kernel but xserver
Nov 07 23:38:07 <lcuk> question re: liqbase - if i allow sketches to be automatically placed in archive and limit the graffiti wall to most recent month or something is it a problem?
Nov 07 23:43:19 <mikkov_> benno2: I think that https://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation is better supported. maemo.org seems to be down, so look from google cache
Nov 07 23:44:02 <mikkov_> benno2: ok, maemo.org is not down ;)
Nov 07 23:45:20 <benno2> mikkov_: thanks for the infos. I began with the nokia 770 , have the n800 and now the n810. nokia and the open source community did really a nice job. now if only the n900 with umts came out :)
Nov 07 23:48:04 <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-X.png <- woo :P
Nov 07 23:49:51 <Stskeeps> (87m flash though, with all X libs and such, and two-three X serveC[C[C[C[C[C[C)rs..
Nov 08 00:21:54 <lcuk> oh ballsack!
Nov 08 00:22:18 <lcuk> Stskeeps, you know before when i said it took 3 minutes to build
Nov 08 00:25:23 <ryoohki> anyone have video skype working on the n810 wimax?
Nov 08 00:26:48 <ryoohki> in fact, it works without effort on my n800 and here's a video of it working on a n810 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8XExv3goeAIc
Nov 08 00:36:45 <bef0rd> invalid url ryoohki
Nov 08 00:38:36 <andre___> remove the c at the end and it works
Nov 08 00:40:36 <bef0rd> I see, but that's not skype video, that's the built in chat client
Nov 08 01:07:54 * Mousey discovers a new lcars theme (okuda), decides it's time to switch back to LCARS for a while
Nov 08 01:21:25 <lcuk> i use slashdot as my blog, can i get it linked somehow to come onto planet?
Nov 08 01:23:53 <Proteous> peer is powning Grackle
Nov 08 01:36:49 * Mousey is reflexively underwhelmed
Nov 08 01:45:39 <GAN800> lcuk, the /. journal?
Nov 08 01:45:47 <GAN800> If it has an rss feed.
Nov 08 01:46:25 <lcuk> i dunno lol
Nov 08 01:46:37 <lcuk> ive never configured or needed one
Nov 08 01:46:56 <lcuk> but i have posted a few things there, it seems where i am most comfortable
Nov 08 01:47:12 <lcuk> things get lost in the forum
Nov 08 01:53:52 <lcuk> GAN800, right, now what
Nov 08 01:53:56 <lcuk> i have rss
Nov 08 01:54:03 * lcuk feels like a ninja for some reason
Nov 08 01:59:52 <GAN800> lcuk, submit it to planet.
Nov 08 02:00:00 <GAN800> There's a link somewhere
Nov 08 02:00:11 <GAN800> or poke X-Fade about it.
Nov 08 02:00:26 <lcuk> ive just submitted my mail in application
Nov 08 02:01:17 <lcuk> X-Fade, wakey wakey, sent a mail to planet at maemo, ive got an rss feed to my slashdot journal ( http://slashdot.org/~liquidcoooled/journal/rss )
Nov 08 02:01:28 <lcuk> please add it to planet :$
Nov 08 02:39:48 <johnx> rm_you, hey :D
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