**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 08 03:00:02 2008
Nov 08 03:05:19 <zakkm> Anyone know why i get continuous Call disconnected, while trying to internet call a friend?
Nov 08 03:05:23 <zakkm> latest Diablo.
Nov 08 03:05:26 <zakkm> N800
Nov 08 03:06:10 <tulkastaldo> nope...
Nov 08 03:09:00 <l7> has anyone else noticed that mplayer doesn't seek through ogg video properly?
Nov 08 03:09:26 <l7> mp4 works fine though
Nov 08 03:09:47 <derf> Seeking in Ogg in mplayer is completely broken.
Nov 08 03:09:54 <derf> They don't accept patches.
Nov 08 03:11:54 <l7> oh that's too bad.  have you noticed issues with youtube flvs too?
Nov 08 03:12:27 <l7> they play fine, but also seek badly
Nov 08 03:12:46 <derf> No. I volunteer for Xiph.Org.
Nov 08 03:12:56 <derf> I don't care about patent-encumbered formats.
Nov 08 03:13:16 <johnx> I think the version of mplayer for the NITs might not support seeking in FLVs. I thought I heard it was fixed in the latest upstream version, but don't quote me :)
Nov 08 03:14:43 <derf> Really, if you told me "X is broken in mplayer", I would not doubt you, for any value of X.
Nov 08 03:15:18 <l7> so it's j
Nov 08 03:15:49 <l7> ust full of bugs i take it
Nov 08 03:16:13 <derf> For your own sanity, I would suggest never looking at the code.
Nov 08 03:16:36 <johnx> I have heard that before :)
Nov 08 03:16:45 <l7> why's
Nov 08 03:16:48 <derf> I've looked at the code. I won't make that mistake again.
Nov 08 03:16:53 <l7> it so bad?
Nov 08 03:17:04 <johnx> the only problem is it's just about the best working video player on ARM :/
Nov 08 03:17:22 <l7> yup
Nov 08 03:19:16 <l7> osso media works well at times, not so well at others
Nov 08 03:22:15 <l7> i wonder which one is more energy effiient during playback though
Nov 08 03:23:48 <GAN800> This hard drive has been dying for a year now.
Nov 08 03:24:21 <GAN800> I should probably replace it before PATA drives under 120GB start getting expensive.
Nov 08 03:28:17 <l7> how can you tell it's dying?
Nov 08 03:29:35 <l7> also why do you want such a small drive? is it for a tivo?
Nov 08 03:31:58 <zakkm> isnt vlc better for playback than mplayer? cpu-wise ?
Nov 08 03:33:05 <l7> i havent seen a maemo version
Nov 08 03:33:35 <zakkm> i saw a port on the forum
Nov 08 03:33:38 <zakkm> like last week
Nov 08 03:34:30 <l7> oh cool
Nov 08 03:35:33 <l7> i'm still picking gradually through the exxtras repo
Nov 08 03:55:36 <bradd> Hi, does anyone develop in scratchbox using Xephyr on a remote host? Any tips on setting this up?
Nov 08 03:59:08 <GAN800> l7, file randomly disappear, stuff gies read-only, SMART status is "FAILING". ;)
Nov 08 04:10:07 <GAN800> lol, the wiki just says 'crap..'
Nov 08 08:17:10 <jagernot> hello i am using the raw mode to read touchscreen data. can somebody tell me the mapping of x,y from raw data to 800/480 of touchscreen?
Nov 08 08:29:26 <GNUton> jagernot: Why you are not using XInput instead?
Nov 08 08:32:33 <jagernot> hi GNU can i get pressure info there?
Nov 08 08:34:27 <GNUton> jagernot: of course
Nov 08 08:36:48 <jagernot> cool i was using xsp code on the wiki and playing with it
Nov 08 08:36:59 <jagernot> do you know of any example code ..im new to X programming.
Nov 08 08:38:41 <GNUton> jagernot: apt-get souce XInput
Nov 08 08:39:23 <GNUton> I think that it's a good example application
Nov 08 08:39:35 <GNUton> It's quite easy to understand.
Nov 08 08:39:57 <GNUton> jagernot: are you using Qt or GTK?
Nov 08 08:40:34 <GNUton> both are able to get those kind of information without using so low level API
Nov 08 08:41:06 <jagernot> actually i started out with a console application...im trying to do a synth..
Nov 08 08:41:14 <jagernot> got a tone going
Nov 08 08:41:21 <jagernot> with esd
Nov 08 08:41:32 <jagernot> now i want to control volume with pressure
Nov 08 08:41:50 <jagernot> so i used that example on the wiki to read pressure info
Nov 08 08:41:57 <johnx> I know maemopad+ reads pressure data
Nov 08 08:42:01 <GNUton> It's quite old
Nov 08 08:42:54 <jagernot> i found this example here:
Nov 08 08:42:56 <jagernot> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/gtk+/examples/scribble-xinput/scribble-xinput.c
Nov 08 08:43:02 <jagernot> maybe suitable..what do u think?
Nov 08 08:43:04 <jagernot> thanks
Nov 08 08:43:39 * Stskeeps stretches
Nov 08 08:44:01 <GNUton> jagernot: anyway I suggest to you to compile XInput for armel in order to understand how it works.
Nov 08 08:44:53 <GNUton> jagernot: you can test everything with that application and it print the value (coordinates and pressure value) on the screen
Nov 08 08:44:54 <jagernot> is it possible to read pressure info in gtk?
Nov 08 08:45:03 <GNUton> jagernot: of cource
Nov 08 08:45:10 <GNUton> course
Nov 08 08:45:36 <jagernot> hmm can you please take a look at that scribble-xinput example and let me know if that is the way
Nov 08 08:48:59 <GNUton> jagernot: in that code this is the line that get the pressure data gdk_event_get_axis ((GdkEvent *)event, GDK_AXIS_PRESSURE, &pressure);
Nov 08 08:49:02 <GNUton> :D
Nov 08 08:49:19 <jagernot> yes it is and it compiles and works woo hoo
Nov 08 08:49:29 <GNUton> That's great!
Nov 08 08:49:38 <jagernot> thanks for your help
Nov 08 08:49:44 <jagernot> back to work now!
Nov 08 08:49:49 <GNUton> have a fun!
Nov 08 09:02:56 <Stskeeps> morning qwerty12
Nov 08 09:03:31 <qwerty12> hey Stskeeps
Nov 08 09:04:16 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-X.png <- woo :P though seems like xorg omapfb driver doesn't work on the emulator just yet, just good old Xomap
Nov 08 09:04:38 <Stskeeps> (i know it says debian armel but that's just the hostname. it's a ubuntu base jffs2 image booting in qemu-n800)
Nov 08 09:05:10 <qwerty12> Haha, brilliant :). How much space is it currently taking?
Nov 08 09:05:19 <Stskeeps> that's with X, 67m flash
Nov 08 09:05:24 <Stskeeps> and a lot of libraries
Nov 08 09:05:34 <qwerty12> Very impressive :)
Nov 08 09:05:45 <Stskeeps> we'll see.. still need to prod a hildon desktop on top
Nov 08 09:05:56 <Stskeeps> johnx's compiling maemo gtk which would be first step
Nov 08 09:06:47 <johnx> yeah, taking another stab at it :)
Nov 08 09:07:27 <Stskeeps> i guess the goal / attempt will be trying to take applications that are notoriously difficult to get working on Maemo, and show how easy it works with this one ;)
Nov 08 09:07:38 <Stskeeps> working/compiling/slammed into existance
Nov 08 09:08:08 <johnx> and taking apps that work well in maemo and *hopefully* just tweaking some packaging details to make them work here
Nov 08 09:08:13 <Stskeeps> yeah
Nov 08 09:09:09 <Stskeeps> and ofcourse showing there's practically no difference in boot time and such
Nov 08 09:15:14 <Stskeeps> but we'll see at what point we get there
Nov 08 09:16:43 <hahlobit> helo, can i copy rootfs to memory card and boot from there?
Nov 08 09:17:16 <johnx> ~boot-from-sd
Nov 08 09:17:26 <hahlobit> yes
Nov 08 09:17:38 <johnx> http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Nov 08 09:17:50 <johnx> infobot, boot-from-sd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Nov 08 09:17:51 <infobot> okay, johnx
Nov 08 09:18:02 <johnx> ah, umh
Nov 08 09:18:07 <johnx> hmm, hang on a sec
Nov 08 09:18:34 <hahlobit> thanks this flash chipdisk seems so small
Nov 08 09:18:36 <johnx> something up with the wiki or did I just pick the wrong link?
Nov 08 09:19:11 <Stskeeps> johnx: blank page syndrome?
Nov 08 09:19:12 <johnx> it seems that way, but it's not too bad if you don't install every app available
Nov 08 09:19:20 <johnx> the page said "crap..." on it
Nov 08 09:19:23 <Stskeeps> ..
Nov 08 09:19:24 <johnx> I kid you not
Nov 08 09:19:41 <Stskeeps> without layout?
Nov 08 09:20:01 <Stskeeps> i had blank white page syndrome earlier, which proves it's 770s running maemo.org
Nov 08 09:20:04 <johnx> yeah, just the word "crap.."
Nov 08 09:20:15 <Stskeeps> but yeah, now i get the word "crap.." too
Nov 08 09:20:31 <johnx> I used to run a wiki on an old zaurus, much more reliable than this but it was also a little smaller...
Nov 08 09:21:01 <hahlobit> can i use as big sdcard i can buy? any size limit like symbian has
Nov 08 09:21:09 <johnx> no size limit
Nov 08 09:21:20 <johnx> anything that physically fits is fair game
Nov 08 09:21:21 <hahlobit> good
Nov 08 09:22:51 <johnx> in the mean time while the wiki gets fixed, there's a google cache here: http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:YvxvI73-5zgJ:wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card+boot+from+memory+card+site:wiki.maemo.org&hl=en&client=firefox-a&strip=1
Nov 08 09:26:26 <Stskeeps> hahlobit: 770, n800 or n810?
Nov 08 09:35:10 * Stskeeps builds fifth jffs2 image..
Nov 08 09:36:18 <Stskeeps> qemu n800 really needs a simple network card or something like on versatilepb
Nov 08 09:37:03 <johnx> virtual wireless isn't working?
Nov 08 09:37:12 <Stskeeps> there's virtual wireless? :P
Nov 08 09:37:21 <johnx> i dunno. I just liked the idea
Nov 08 09:37:24 <Stskeeps> that's kinda frightening but cool
Nov 08 09:37:25 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 09:37:41 <johnx> I should have added a <sarcastic> at the beginning
Nov 08 09:38:04 <Stskeeps> i actually think hrw worked on something alike that
Nov 08 09:40:12 <Stskeeps> i mean, when he emulates menelaus and such, there is probably other wacky things :P
Nov 08 09:48:13 <Stskeeps> ah. usb ethernet
Nov 08 09:48:14 <Stskeeps> ofcourse.
Nov 08 09:54:02 * Stskeeps notes docpurge isn't that clever
Nov 08 09:54:23 <Stskeeps> dpkg-divert acts horridly when docpurge is in place
Nov 08 10:01:00 <hahlobit> Stskeeps: n800
Nov 08 10:02:06 <Stskeeps> hahlobit: k
Nov 08 10:02:08 <Stskeeps> johnx: saw http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=240294&postcount=45 ?
Nov 08 10:04:14 <johnx> hmmm
Nov 08 10:06:44 <Stskeeps> i think that's vnc into a chroot though
Nov 08 10:07:33 <johnx> I tried to piece it together once with chunks of ibex source compiled on hasty
Nov 08 10:07:42 <johnx> didn't quite get as far as him though
Nov 08 10:08:13 <Stskeeps> decent for a guy who claimed he never compiled something before
Nov 08 10:08:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 10:09:34 <johnx> ahaha
Nov 08 10:09:40 <johnx> I must be losing it these days
Nov 08 10:10:05 <Stskeeps> i question my own sanity at times
Nov 08 10:10:05 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 10:11:27 <aspiers> hi all, anyone know how to use maemo-pan?
Nov 08 10:12:06 <hahlobit> i copied my mmc cards to pc before i do partitions and noticed that mmc2 was last used 1.1.1970 wonder why system wrote epoch time there..
Nov 08 10:12:35 <johnx> maybe because noatime was enabled all the time
Nov 08 10:12:36 <aspiers> I have it installed and have paired with my desktop, but nothing obvious has changed in either the connection manager or the phone control module
Nov 08 10:13:27 <hahlobit> ah ok.
Nov 08 10:15:20 <Stskeeps> mm. my dorm gateway is getting beat heavily. 350ms latency
Nov 08 10:15:45 * Stskeeps sighs and hates laggy mp3s
Nov 08 10:23:26 <hahlobit> something makes sd card busy, umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy
Nov 08 10:24:11 <johnx> grab a copy of lsof and try running it
Nov 08 10:24:41 <hahlobit> ok
Nov 08 10:25:10 <Stskeeps> or there was another one.. fuser -m /media/mmc2
Nov 08 10:25:44 <johnx> or another one: ls -l /proc/*/fd/ | less
Nov 08 10:25:50 <johnx> then search in less for mmc2
Nov 08 10:33:29 <Stskeeps> "It turns out the bug in Android I wrote about yesterday was worse than we thought. When the phone booted it started up a command shell as root and sent every keystroke you ever typed on the keyboard from then on to that shell. Thus every word you typed, in addition to going to the foreground application would be silently and invisibly interpreted as a command and executed with superuser privileges. Wow!"
Nov 08 10:33:35 <Stskeeps> oh boy.
Nov 08 10:34:04 <johnx> uhm wow
Nov 08 10:34:06 <johnx> and
Nov 08 10:34:07 <johnx> wow
Nov 08 10:34:15 <johnx> from where?
Nov 08 10:34:28 <Stskeeps> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680
Nov 08 10:34:50 <Stskeeps> http://android.jim.sh/index.php/ConsoleShell as well
Nov 08 10:35:16 <Stskeeps> but yes, that's possibly the worst bug, -ever-
Nov 08 10:35:42 <qwerty12_N800> F*** android if it's going in the same s***ty way as the iphone
Nov 08 10:35:42 <Stskeeps> i would be thrilled to send rm -rf / to someone
Nov 08 10:35:59 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: atleast it seems like it starts out just as open as maemo
Nov 08 10:36:11 <Stskeeps> just type on your keyboard and you've jailbreaked it!
Nov 08 10:36:18 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, heh :P
Nov 08 10:36:26 <johnx> open software, closed devices is kind of the polar opposite to maemo
Nov 08 10:37:08 <hahlobit> johnx: found cover switch
Nov 08 10:37:33 <hahlobit> cover_switch
Nov 08 10:37:39 <aspiers> Stskeeps: that is just HILARIOUS
Nov 08 10:38:11 <Stskeeps> yeah, i got a good laugh out of it too :)
Nov 08 10:38:42 <Stskeeps> but i must admit i wonder something
Nov 08 10:39:05 <Stskeeps> .. nm
Nov 08 10:39:09 <Stskeeps> wouldn't happen on deblet
Nov 08 10:40:14 <aspiers> whichever developer left that in must be feeling pretty embarrassed right now
Nov 08 10:40:21 <aspiers> also wondering if they still have a job
Nov 08 10:40:32 <qwerty12_N800> Here's my latest apt prefs file : http://tinyurl.com/5cmwsw :p
Nov 08 10:41:47 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 08 10:44:16 <vincenzo88> Hello all!
Nov 08 10:44:40 <johnx> hi
Nov 08 10:45:43 <GNUton> ciao vincenzo88
Nov 08 10:46:34 <GNUton> Do somebody of you know why the package builder is so slow?
Nov 08 10:47:06 <Stskeeps> oh, -that's- what texrats name was
Nov 08 11:10:29 <Stskeeps> johnx: how's maemo gtk going then? just taking ages to compile?
Nov 08 11:11:04 <johnx> it failed and I'm actually giving stage's glib a try first, then I'll install it and try gtk again
Nov 08 11:11:24 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 11:11:26 <johnx> still fighting with getting ubuntu working on the n800 :/
Nov 08 11:11:45 <Stskeeps> you using sdk or chroot for compilation?
Nov 08 11:12:10 <Stskeeps> (i had difficultiies with sdk for now myself)
Nov 08 11:12:14 <johnx> native on the zaurus
Nov 08 11:12:17 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 08 11:12:56 <johnx> i googled the error but didn't pick up much. I suspected that a certain version of gtk+ might want to be compiled against a certain version of glib
Nov 08 11:13:47 <Stskeeps> not impossible i guess
Nov 08 11:14:05 <Stskeeps> i guess i can work on m-r on tablet and getting it bootin
Nov 08 11:14:06 <Stskeeps> g
Nov 08 11:15:07 <Stskeeps> emulator has to come later cos xserver-xorg-video-omapfb doesn't work on it
Nov 08 11:15:19 <Stskeeps> or atleast what i managed to compile
Nov 08 11:15:24 <johnx> well, that's a pain
Nov 08 11:15:35 <johnx> maybe the plain xfbdev server would be an ok fit?
Nov 08 11:15:50 <johnx> s/xfbdev/xorg's fbdev/
Nov 08 11:15:51 <infobot> johnx meant: maybe the plain xorg's fbdev server would be an ok fit?
Nov 08 11:16:21 <Stskeeps> johnx: didn't work in emulator, something about blanking
Nov 08 11:16:27 <johnx> hmm
Nov 08 11:16:27 <johnx> odd
Nov 08 11:16:35 <Stskeeps> xomap did work though
Nov 08 11:17:37 * Stskeeps glances at the beagleboard next to him
Nov 08 11:17:51 <johnx> you know you want to compile native :)
Nov 08 11:17:56 <suihkulokki> emulator? as in qemu?
Nov 08 11:18:03 <Stskeeps> yeah, qemu's n800 emulation
Nov 08 11:18:46 <suihkulokki> well if it doesn't work omapfb (if that works on the device), fixing qemu shouldn't be that hard
Nov 08 11:19:25 <Stskeeps> *nod* i'll try to check that out
Nov 08 11:19:33 <johnx> well glib is happily compiling at least
Nov 08 11:26:07 <tekojo> hi all
Nov 08 11:26:20 <tekojo> maemo.org just came back on-line
Nov 08 11:26:39 <Stskeeps> after saying "crap.." when trying to access pages? ;)
Nov 08 11:26:58 <johnx> the wiki is still "crap..."ed out
Nov 08 11:27:05 <tekojo> yes, that's the squid on wiki
Nov 08 11:27:33 <tekojo> use https, (I don't have root to restart squid)
Nov 08 11:27:50 <johnx> good deal
Nov 08 11:27:55 <johnx> thanks for the update :)
Nov 08 11:28:39 <tekojo> I know, we need to get rid of squid on wiki, but everything else taking up time, and crap is occational.
Nov 08 11:28:58 <tekojo> hopefully during december
Nov 08 11:29:49 <tekojo> johnx: no problem, now there's about 26 hours till the next down
Nov 08 11:31:35 <johnx> projects underway?
Nov 08 11:32:39 <hahlobit> is this error? home/user/bin/tar: .: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 02:00:00
Nov 08 11:32:44 <tekojo> johnx: what?
Nov 08 11:33:16 <johnx> I mean is it a planned outage necessary for some ongoing upgrade? or what?
Nov 08 11:33:46 <johnx> hahlobit, if the command didn't fail that means it's a warning
Nov 08 11:34:48 <tekojo> The ISP is moving to a new location, so every machine is unplugged and carried to a new server room
Nov 08 11:35:02 <tekojo> they ran out of power and cooling
Nov 08 11:38:04 <hahlobit> johnx: ok thanx
Nov 08 11:38:57 <hahlobit> now when i'm booting from sdcard, can i format and mount flashdisk?
Nov 08 11:40:21 <johnx> format the internal flash where the OS is installed?
Nov 08 11:40:30 <hahlobit> yes
Nov 08 11:40:35 <johnx> no, that's not really recommended
Nov 08 11:41:02 <Stskeeps> unless you're as insane as me and johnx
Nov 08 11:41:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 11:41:12 <hahlobit> :D
Nov 08 11:41:13 <johnx> I'm not that insane yet
Nov 08 11:41:20 <johnx> and that's saying something
Nov 08 11:41:24 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 08 11:41:38 <hahlobit> could use it as swap
Nov 08 11:41:56 <hahlobit> if possible
Nov 08 11:42:53 <Stskeeps> ick
Nov 08 11:42:53 <johnx> again, not really recommended
Nov 08 11:43:25 <johnx> it's like 256MB of space. just think of it as your emergency backup system and don't worry about it
Nov 08 11:43:35 <hahlobit> ok
Nov 08 11:44:18 <hahlobit> can i make swap from control panel like before?
Nov 08 11:45:09 <hahlobit> or should i use mkswap /dev/something now?
Nov 08 11:46:52 <johnx> mkswap is probably the best bet
Nov 08 11:57:46 <Stskeeps> jffs2 take 10.. *yawns'
Nov 08 12:01:22 <Stskeeps> http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24830 <- heh, that's amazing
Nov 08 12:03:13 <johnx> the solar panel charging could probably be improved a lot with a higher efficiency voltage converter
Nov 08 12:56:20 <Stskeeps> johnx: should i work on ubuntu minbase + omapfb xorg + usbnet booting on n800?
Nov 08 12:56:37 <Stskeeps> since i can't get the non-kdrive driver working on emu
Nov 08 12:56:49 <johnx> yeah, somehow I'm having a mental block on getting mine booting
Nov 08 12:56:54 <johnx> oh irony of ironies :/
Nov 08 12:58:12 <Stskeeps> using deblet boot basics package?
Nov 08 12:58:32 <johnx> nah, I just did it by hand...I guess I should just use boot-basis huh?
Nov 08 12:58:51 <Stskeeps> yeah, it helps a lot of things, especially the linuxrc part :P
Nov 08 12:59:00 <johnx> well, that I disabled...
Nov 08 12:59:08 <Stskeeps> ah, then you're in for a world of trouble ;)
Nov 08 12:59:34 <johnx> I was being dumb, wasn't I?
Nov 08 12:59:40 <Stskeeps> nah
Nov 08 12:59:43 <johnx> yes, yes you were john :)
Nov 08 13:01:10 <Stskeeps> btw the 12 second boot i did initially, think that was with bash instead of dash
Nov 08 13:01:24 <johnx> very impressive
Nov 08 13:01:31 <Stskeeps> but then again.
Nov 08 13:01:34 <Stskeeps> not much to boot
Nov 08 13:01:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 13:01:59 <johnx> w00! glib finished compiling. just waiting for it to package up the docs
Nov 08 13:02:24 <Stskeeps> woo
Nov 08 13:02:32 <Stskeeps> which ironically takes the longest
Nov 08 13:02:38 <johnx> gah
Nov 08 13:02:46 <johnx> it's been going for more than an hour now O_o
Nov 08 13:03:57 <Stskeeps> i'll whoop up a simple on-tablet debootstrap for this i guess
Nov 08 13:04:04 <johnx> can't seem to reach trac.tspre.org right now ...
Nov 08 13:04:40 <Stskeeps> ick, thanks for the notice
Nov 08 13:04:50 <Stskeeps> i'm using the machine as a ssh tunnel for some work stuff too
Nov 08 13:05:02 <johnx> eep
Nov 08 13:05:16 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Nov 08 13:05:23 <johnx> hallo
Nov 08 13:05:38 <Khertan_n810> wie geht's ?
Nov 08 13:06:00 <johnx> sorry, that was just a mispronounced hello :)
Nov 08 13:06:23 <Khertan_n810> lol
Nov 08 13:06:30 <woglinde> hi
Nov 08 13:06:39 <Khertan_n810> so ... how do you do ?
Nov 08 13:06:56 <johnx> I do pretty good, when I'm not waiting for glib to compile
Nov 08 13:07:39 <Stskeeps> rebootin'
Nov 08 13:08:16 <Khertan_n810> lol
Nov 08 13:08:35 <Khertan_n810> waiting my wife doing scrapbooking
Nov 08 13:09:02 <woglinde> johnx hm glib is really fast
Nov 08 13:09:11 <woglinde> waiting for qt is another story
Nov 08 13:09:31 <johnx> I'm compiling on a pxa270 with 64MB of RAM
Nov 08 13:11:43 <woglinde> johnx hahah okay
Nov 08 13:12:28 <johnx> and distcc won't speed up documentation generation / packaging
Nov 08 13:14:40 <Khertan_n810> re
Nov 08 13:14:58 <Khertan_n810> sorry doing stupid thing resulting in kp
Nov 08 13:16:13 <Khertan_n810> someone have try the new homeip
Nov 08 13:16:14 <Khertan_n810> ?
Nov 08 13:17:05 <Stskeeps> johnx: should work now
Nov 08 13:17:18 <johnx> yup. already grabbed a bunch from it
Nov 08 13:17:30 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 08 13:17:46 <Khertan_n810> bunch ?
Nov 08 13:18:07 <johnx> s/bunch/small number of things/
Nov 08 13:18:07 <infobot> johnx meant: yup. already grabbed a small number of things from it
Nov 08 13:20:30 <aspiers> I've almost got my bluetooth PAN working now, but struggling with networking
Nov 08 13:20:36 <Stskeeps> johnx: boot basics script would probably have to be edited to insist it's linuxrc it's booted fro
Nov 08 13:20:40 <Stskeeps> m
Nov 08 13:20:45 <Stskeeps> as the env variables from linuxrc disappear
Nov 08 13:20:46 <Stskeeps> s
Nov 08 13:20:59 <aspiers> my N810 can ping the pan0 bridge on my desktop, and it's getting an IP address via DHCP
Nov 08 13:21:07 <aspiers> but I can't get masquerading working
Nov 08 13:21:32 <johnx> did you look at the really simple masq script from the ip masq howto?
Nov 08 13:22:34 <aspiers> johnx: I just used the Fedora system-config-firewall which gives:
Nov 08 13:22:37 <aspiers>     2   113 MASQUERADE  all  --  *      bnep0   0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0
Nov 08 13:22:44 <aspiers> in the POSTROUTING table
Nov 08 13:22:59 <johnx> I know nothing about fedora's firewall setup
Nov 08 13:23:02 <aspiers> ip_forward is enabled
Nov 08 13:24:22 * Stskeeps ponders a small experiment
Nov 08 13:24:23 <aspiers> if I sniff traffic on the pan0 bridge, I see arp requests from N810 for the MAC of the gateway going unanswered
Nov 08 13:25:06 <johnx> what dhcp server is it getting an address from? your desktop or your router?
Nov 08 13:25:15 <aspiers> my desktop
Nov 08 13:25:21 <aspiers> I configured dhcpd to listen only on pan0
Nov 08 13:25:26 <johnx> ok good, just checking :)
Nov 08 13:25:27 <aspiers> and give out addresses in a private range
Nov 08 13:25:29 <aspiers> that bit works fine
Nov 08 13:25:55 <aspiers> but like I said, the N810 can't ping the router because the router doesn't respond to its ARP requests
Nov 08 13:26:01 <aspiers> maybe it never sees them
Nov 08 13:26:11 <aspiers> I added eth0 to the pan0 bridge though
Nov 08 13:26:39 <johnx> if you're just going to bridge, then why are you using masquerading?
Nov 08 13:26:59 <aspiers> I'm using the bridge to support multiple bnep interfaces
Nov 08 13:27:27 <aspiers> so bnep0 is still on a private PAN network of 192.168.111.0/24
Nov 08 13:27:38 <aspiers> whereas my home network is 10.x.x.x
Nov 08 13:27:57 <johnx> my instinct is usually to get the basics working first, but that aside, why is eth0 on the bridge as well?
Nov 08 13:28:24 <aspiers> because http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN said to put it on there
Nov 08 13:29:09 <aspiers> oh, I see what I've done wrong
Nov 08 13:29:14 <aspiers> the N810 has the wrong gateway!
Nov 08 13:29:20 <aspiers> it should have the desktop as gateway
Nov 08 13:29:20 <aspiers> duh
Nov 08 13:30:09 <aspiers> not my home router
Nov 08 13:30:12 <johnx> well that's a start :)
Nov 08 13:31:19 <lcuk> johnx, thats a good instinct to have
Nov 08 13:31:26 <woglinde> morning lcuk
Nov 08 13:31:32 <lcuk> hiya woglinde
Nov 08 13:31:38 <lcuk> did you get your assignment in
Nov 08 13:31:56 <woglinde> yes yes
Nov 08 13:32:03 <johnx> lcuk, a couple years of being a sys admin will cultivate that instinct, right quick :)
Nov 08 13:32:10 <Khertan_n810> hi lcuk
Nov 08 13:32:56 <lcuk> johnx, 100% agree, users/customers do stuff in strange ways
Nov 08 13:33:05 <lcuk> hi there Khertan_n810 are you at home
Nov 08 13:33:14 <Khertan_n810> nope
Nov 08 13:33:26 <lcuk> heh, out on a shopping trip and hiding in internet cafe?
Nov 08 13:33:40 <Khertan_n810> i m waiting my wife in something like a art decoration summit
Nov 08 13:33:42 <johnx> I've heard it's also a good strategy for car repair...but that with that strategy I never ended up getting past the basics
Nov 08 13:33:58 <Stskeeps> johnx: insane experiment of the day.. starting hildon-desktop (ubuntu) in qemu
Nov 08 13:34:08 <johnx> madness :)
Nov 08 13:34:11 <Khertan_n810> lol
Nov 08 13:34:43 <woglinde> hm
Nov 08 13:34:53 <woglinde> no my fight with apache2 should be over
Nov 08 13:34:54 <Khertan_n810> is there a way to capture screen easily
Nov 08 13:34:57 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, sneaky! is she taking part or just spectator?
Nov 08 13:35:16 <Khertan_n810> nope spectators :)
Nov 08 13:35:34 <woglinde> Khertan_n810 install gpe-scap
Nov 08 13:35:40 <lcuk> johnx, i use the learn to walk principle - cover the base features first and grow from good stable components
Nov 08 13:36:03 <lcuk> doesnt that power mon thing have screenshot capability?
Nov 08 13:36:04 <Khertan_n810> woglinde > i mean in a programming way
Nov 08 13:36:18 <Khertan_n810> but looking at source will usefull :)
Nov 08 13:36:20 * Stskeeps uses his mental model of computers from high level (language) to low level (assembly/microcode) :P
Nov 08 13:36:22 <woglinde> Khertan_n810 gpe-scap is opensource you know
Nov 08 13:36:23 <woglinde> hehe
Nov 08 13:36:26 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, in liqbase i have EVERY screen configured to allow [FULLSCREEN] to take a screenshot
Nov 08 13:36:32 <johnx> xwd might be the simplest example
Nov 08 13:36:42 <Khertan_n810> xwd ?
Nov 08 13:37:10 <johnx> yes, from any standard distro
Nov 08 13:37:13 <lcuk> Stskeeps, task oriented
Nov 08 13:37:38 <Khertan_n810> so not maemo
Nov 08 13:37:39 <johnx> debian package name is x11-apps
Nov 08 13:37:58 <Khertan_n810> :)
Nov 08 13:37:59 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, http://liqbase.net/husband_creche.jpg
Nov 08 13:38:29 <lcuk> a friend sent me this yesterday, its outside a pub
Nov 08 13:39:33 <Khertan_n810> lol
Nov 08 13:40:28 <aspiers> johnx: ugh, I must still be doing something braindead
Nov 08 13:40:36 <qwerty12_N800> Khertan_n810, there are a few ways in maemo. i use load-applet but it can be done remotely via vnc/rdesktop, via the command  line (osso-screenshot-tool) or via the framebuffer (fb_update_mode & fbgrab)
Nov 08 13:41:58 <Khertan_n810> via the framebuffer ...
Nov 08 13:42:06 <Khertan_n810> should be fast ...
Nov 08 13:42:19 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, it's how I got : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/bootup.png :)
Nov 08 13:42:37 <qwerty12_N800> load-applet can also grab from the framebuffer too
Nov 08 13:42:46 <lcuk> grabbing a bitmap isn't slow, its compressing it and turning it into a png or bmp thats slow - what do you need em for from code?
Nov 08 13:43:00 <lcuk> jpeg^
Nov 08 13:43:17 <Khertan_n810> i need raw bitmap
Nov 08 13:43:24 <Khertan_n810> maybe some compress
Nov 08 13:43:31 <Khertan_n810> will depends on result
Nov 08 13:43:34 <lcuk> in gtk python on a pixbuf?
Nov 08 13:43:50 <Khertan_n810> not in python
Nov 08 13:43:55 <Khertan_n810> will be too slo
Nov 08 13:44:09 <Khertan_n810> slow for what i m trying to do
Nov 08 13:44:15 <lcuk> depends, the pixbuf functions are native arent they?
Nov 08 13:44:27 <Khertan_n810> it should
Nov 08 13:44:59 <lcuk> then what language/library do you need them in
Nov 08 13:45:13 <lcuk> ie gtk pixbuf or ximage or something
Nov 08 13:45:22 <aspiers> johnx: sniffing eth0 (on home network) I see 192.168.111.60 -> 10.70.61.108 ICMP Echo (ping) request
Nov 08 13:45:38 <Khertan_n810> at this time there isn t any lib or anything code
Nov 08 13:45:43 <aspiers> johnx: but .108 doesn't reply
Nov 08 13:45:52 <Khertan_n810> just thinking of something to export video
Nov 08 13:46:28 <lcuk> video? -> you mean record a screencast from your machine as a video
Nov 08 13:46:36 <Khertan_n810> yep
Nov 08 13:46:52 <lcuk> x11vnc -> vnctoswf or something
Nov 08 13:46:53 <Khertan_n810> but not record it ... just transfert it by usb
Nov 08 13:47:02 <johnx> aspiers, my only thought is to double check all of your masquerading setup.
Nov 08 13:47:24 <lcuk> push raw rframes  into gstreamer and use the video stream things there
Nov 08 13:47:42 <Khertan_n810> and do the electronique things to handle it and convert it to rgb rca
Nov 08 13:48:06 <Khertan_n810> hum ... know how to do ?
Nov 08 13:48:12 <lcuk> for the usb video out?
Nov 08 13:48:29 <Khertan_n810> for the screen <-> gstreamer
Nov 08 13:48:39 <Khertan_n810> -> video
Nov 08 13:48:41 <Khertan_n810> :k
Nov 08 13:49:31 <lcuk> no unfortunately, i know its possible though, look around debian as a whole for examples and see if they build on maemo
Nov 08 13:49:58 <Khertan_n810> hum ...
Nov 08 13:50:11 <Khertan_n810> i ll look at home
Nov 08 13:50:26 <lcuk> gstreamer has sources and sinks - ive only used the sink to grab frames from the camera, but it can be reversed and anything can be a source and then use the gstreamer stuff for making it a video
Nov 08 13:50:30 <Khertan_n810> search web with a slow connection is a real pain
Nov 08 13:50:34 <lcuk> agreed
Nov 08 13:51:05 <Khertan_n810> yep i ve try some thing with cam at this time
Nov 08 13:51:10 <lcuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts/GStreamer
Nov 08 13:51:14 <lcuk> read that khertan
Nov 08 13:51:26 <lcuk> gstreamer has a plugin which can capture the contents of the currently running desktop. The capture results can be passed through pipelines which can process, encode and write the results out to video files.
Nov 08 13:52:08 <lcuk> not sure of performance level or even if its feasible on this machine, but its worth a go
Nov 08 13:52:31 <Khertan_n810> ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "ximagesrc".
Nov 08 13:52:49 <aspiers> johnx: if my masq setup was correct, the src IP in the ping request seen on eth0 should be the IP of the masquerader (desktop), not the N810, right?
Nov 08 13:53:07 <johnx> yes
Nov 08 13:53:22 <aspiers> since the N810 is not routable from 10.10.10.x
Nov 08 13:53:27 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, you might have to install the extra gstreamer plugins, or even build some additional ones
Nov 08 13:53:48 <Khertan_n810> build is the answer
Nov 08 13:53:48 <aspiers> so the masquerader should rewrite the outgoing source IP and rewrite the incoming dest IP of the reply?
Nov 08 13:53:55 <Khertan_n810> i have already install all
Nov 08 13:53:56 <aspiers> looks like that's not happening
Nov 08 13:53:58 <johnx> my theory is that your packets are getting routed by your desktop, but the packets aren't being modifying and your ping target can't find a route back so it drops the requests
Nov 08 13:54:59 <aspiers> johnx: I agree
Nov 08 13:55:27 <aspiers> johnx: in fact my home router will presumably ignore the requests since they are from an unknown 192.168 network
Nov 08 13:56:01 <johnx> drop, ignore, whatever. :) I remember the concepts, not the terminology :P
Nov 08 13:58:07 <Khertan_n810> hum xvimagesink exist but not the src one
Nov 08 13:58:16 <Khertan_n810> i ll see at home
Nov 08 13:58:18 <Khertan_n810> bye
Nov 08 13:58:32 <Khertan_n810> thx for tips lcuk
Nov 08 13:58:46 <lcuk> np khertan :)
Nov 08 13:59:40 <aspiers> johnx: I think it might be due to the fact that I gave both the bridge and pan0 192.168 IPs
Nov 08 14:09:17 <lardman> afternoon
Nov 08 14:09:19 <woglinde> hi lardmann
Nov 08 14:09:29 <lardman> hey woglinde
Nov 08 14:21:04 <lardman> ~lart uni wifi connection problems
Nov 08 14:21:05 * infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives uni wifi connection problems a good jolt
Nov 08 14:27:11 <lcuk> hi there lardman
Nov 08 14:27:29 <lardman> hi lcuk
Nov 08 14:27:47 <lcuk> are you having a lazy afternoon, or runnin around like a headless chicken?
Nov 08 14:27:54 <lardman> at work
Nov 08 14:27:57 <lardman> unfortunately
Nov 08 14:28:01 <lcuk> oooer
Nov 08 14:28:58 <qwerty12_N800> It's Saturday, what are you doing working!?! :)
Nov 08 14:29:18 <lardman> got work that needs to be done for next week
Nov 08 14:30:16 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, you too may have to work on saturdays one day :P
Nov 08 14:30:33 <lcuk> bleugh, working weekends is tiring (i should know ive done enough of them)
Nov 08 14:30:36 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, noooooo!!!!! :P
Nov 08 14:30:59 <lardman> yeah, feels like I'm doing my PhD again
Nov 08 14:31:04 <lcuk> heh johnx its worse, imagine the shock when he realises hes gotta work on weekdays as well
Nov 08 14:31:11 <lardman> lol
Nov 08 14:31:17 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, Are you purposively trying to get me depressed? :P
Nov 08 14:31:41 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, that's what us old people do. we just hang around and make younger people miserable. :D
Nov 08 14:31:57 * lcuk should really get scrum ui builder coded up today
Nov 08 14:32:00 <qwerty12_N800> :D
Nov 08 14:32:04 <johnx> that's the only thing you'll find fun eventually
Nov 08 14:32:20 <lcuk> nahhh johnx, theres other things to do when you get old
Nov 08 14:32:36 <lardman> driving
Nov 08 14:32:44 <lcuk> pick at the fluff on your cardigan
Nov 08 14:32:45 <johnx> ssshh. don't tell him all the secrets
Nov 08 14:32:47 <lcuk> feed the ducks
Nov 08 14:33:03 <johnx> ...feed young hooligans to the ducks
Nov 08 14:33:07 * lcuk has an open sourcem ind
Nov 08 14:33:31 * lcuk waves his walking stick menacingly at the young rebels
Nov 08 14:33:41 <qwerty12_N800> infobot, make lcuk's brain
Nov 08 14:33:42 <johnx> ...and cut your hair!
Nov 08 14:33:42 <infobot> make: *** No rule to make target `lcuk's brain'.  Stop.
Nov 08 14:33:50 <lardman> finally, managed to get some images off my camera, via N810 + crappy wifi connection + sftp
Nov 08 14:34:00 <lardman> s/camera/camera phone
Nov 08 14:34:07 <lcuk> your camera lardman? you mean the 810 one?
Nov 08 14:34:10 <lcuk> ahhh
Nov 08 14:34:43 <lardman> no way, that's even worse than the one on my camera ;)
Nov 08 14:34:43 <johnx> ha... my phone has IR. I used that to get exactly one picture off of it. never. again.
Nov 08 14:35:19 * Stskeeps used to use his old nokia for data connectivity
Nov 08 14:35:21 <Stskeeps> that really sucked
Nov 08 14:35:28 <Stskeeps> then i started to appreciate bluetooth
Nov 08 14:35:34 <Stskeeps> +ir
Nov 08 14:35:54 <lcuk> the amount of data im creating in liqbase is growing quickly, can i utilise the RAM inside my casio to store more?
Nov 08 14:36:03 <ShadowJK_> joikuspot is king :)
Nov 08 14:36:43 <lardman> lcuk: yeah should be enough bytes to store M-O-R-E, don;t use unicode though
Nov 08 14:37:58 <lcuk> no hassles there
Nov 08 14:59:14 <aspiers> w00t!
Nov 08 14:59:32 * aspiers finally got his N810 connected to a masqueraded BT PAN
Nov 08 15:00:06 <aspiers> man that was not easy :-/
Nov 08 15:00:14 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 08 15:00:38 <johnx> I think involving bridging and masq made it more difficult than it needed to be
Nov 08 15:00:45 <aspiers> now I can watch streaming TV shows from bed ;-)
Nov 08 15:00:58 <aspiers> johnx: I had to masq
Nov 08 15:01:11 <aspiers> I could have avoided a bridge, yes
Nov 08 15:01:11 <GAN800> Why not wifi?
Nov 08 15:01:25 <aspiers> GAN800: too unreliable at this distance
Nov 08 15:01:34 <johnx> I guess my and was ambiguous :)
Nov 08 15:01:38 <GAN800> Buy another AP
Nov 08 15:01:39 <aspiers> GAN800: since I have ~70 wifi networks in my neighbourhood
Nov 08 15:01:50 <aspiers> GAN800: I already bought several
Nov 08 15:01:56 <GAN800> Then go AP smashing
Nov 08 15:01:59 <aspiers> GAN800: they all suck when there are that many networks around
Nov 08 15:02:14 <aspiers> 802.11 basically sucks
Nov 08 15:02:29 <GAN800> Or hack everybody else and move them to channel 1. ;)
Nov 08 15:02:34 <johnx> does bt cope better?
Nov 08 15:02:41 <johnx> that would be kind of interesting
Nov 08 15:02:44 <aspiers> it's so bad that I have to use ethernet over power in my 2-bed flat
Nov 08 15:02:53 <aspiers> wireless is ok within the lounge
Nov 08 15:02:56 <aspiers> and that's about it
Nov 08 15:03:08 <aspiers> (AP is in the lounge)
Nov 08 15:03:15 <aspiers> johnx: BT seems good so far
Nov 08 15:04:04 <johnx> that's strange. I wonder if they use different parts of the 2.4GHz band
Nov 08 15:04:38 <jaska> bt is a frequency hopper, 802.11b and later are direct-spread-spectrum
Nov 08 15:04:47 <jaska> (iirc)
Nov 08 15:05:18 <johnx> I assume you've already tried to find a wifi channel that no one else was using?
Nov 08 15:06:03 <Stskeeps> mm. one thing hildon really needs to do, seperate hildon-desktop and the /etc/hildon files
Nov 08 15:06:05 <Stskeeps> they are like hildon themes
Nov 08 15:06:59 <johnx> actually most of hildon desktop seems kind of crazy to me
Nov 08 15:07:23 <johnx> well at least the layout and theming
Nov 08 15:09:13 <Stskeeps> well my biggest complaint is that hildon-desktop for ubuntu has to have u-m specific layout, while there's a perfectly sane theme system
Nov 08 15:09:40 <johnx> my biggest issue is resolution dependence
Nov 08 15:10:05 <RST38h> johnx: it is S90
Nov 08 15:10:17 <johnx> did S60 have issues too?
Nov 08 15:10:54 <RST38h> Yes, it is also resolution-dependent
Nov 08 15:11:10 <RST38h> That was the reason why they jumped from 208x176 to 416x352
Nov 08 15:11:30 <RST38h> See here for details on S90: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Series_90
Nov 08 15:11:58 <qwerty12_N800> I thought it was 176x208? (on 6630/6680 etc anyway)
Nov 08 15:12:10 <RST38h> The funny part is that the current Hildon is no longer resolution-dependent (see how it reacts to rotation)
Nov 08 15:12:24 <RST38h> qwerty: either way
Nov 08 15:12:32 <johnx> well the apps aren't, but the task panels are
Nov 08 15:12:41 <RST38h> qwerty: My E70 is rotatable, so to me it makes no difference
Nov 08 15:13:03 <RST38h> johnx: easy to fix and is probably being fixed as we speak
Nov 08 15:13:44 <johnx> yeah, I have a feeling hildon desktop's current implementation will be taking a long walk off the proverbial short pier
Nov 08 15:15:32 <jaska> mass driver-assisted long walk
Nov 08 15:16:04 <johnx> that's a nice thought :)
Nov 08 15:17:38 <RST38h> there is nothing wrong with the current implementation in general
Nov 08 15:17:51 <RST38h> it does what it is supposed to do
Nov 08 15:19:39 <aspiers> johnx: you assumed correct, believe me I tried EVERYTHING before resorting to ethernet over power
Nov 08 15:19:51 <aspiers> I even bought a WiSPY
Nov 08 15:20:37 <johnx> RST38h, doesn't do what I want = broken, end of story :D
Nov 08 15:20:48 <RST38h> johnx: and what do you want it to do?
Nov 08 15:21:12 <johnx> do something reasonable on screens of different resolutions -or- failing that be relatively easy to modify
Nov 08 15:21:34 <johnx> aspiers, I think the next few years will pretty interesting in terms of the unlicensed bands getting saturated
Nov 08 15:21:51 <GAN800> Maemo is moving to resolution independence, so I'm sure that'll be improved.
Nov 08 15:22:15 <RST38h> johnx: reasonable on screen of different resolutions => really easy to do with the current desktop, just requires some minor fixes
Nov 08 15:22:32 <GAN800> johnx, I'm wondering if cellular broadband is going to become cheaper and more ubiquitous first.
Nov 08 15:22:44 <RST38h> cheaper? never
Nov 08 15:22:48 <johnx> GAN800, that's just a different problem :)
Nov 08 15:23:01 <RST38h> All those AT&T execs have to have their caviar sandwiches
Nov 08 15:23:06 <ShadowJK_> heh, I have no other wifi networks in range, yet I find usable range to, at most, extend into neighbouring room from AP...
Nov 08 15:23:06 <johnx> actually I should say, the same problem wearing a different shirt
Nov 08 15:23:48 <RST38h> And they continue making sure that no independent WiFi providers will ever rise up
Nov 08 15:23:50 <johnx> maybe you guys just have neighbors with crappy cordless phones or poorly shielded microwaves
Nov 08 15:24:17 <pupnik810> hi guys
Nov 08 15:24:17 <pupnik810> hmf,  can i recover a wep key from os2008?
Nov 08 15:24:19 <johnx> well, boingo is starting to look better in the states
Nov 08 15:24:19 <pupnik810> spose its crypt'd
Nov 08 15:24:47 <RST38h> johnx: Dunno, the only access points I have seen while in the States were Sprint and TMobile
Nov 08 15:25:04 <RST38h> [and of course unsecured residential APs =)]
Nov 08 15:25:43 <johnx> at&t bought out t-mobile's starbucks contract. wayport has APs in mcdonalds, and I believe a boingo subscription gets you access to both
Nov 08 15:25:56 <johnx> or maybe I'm horribly confused
Nov 08 15:27:30 <derf> pupnik810: Not crypted. Stored in plaintext in gconf.
Nov 08 15:27:50 <RST38h> yes, boingo says it supports at&t hotspots
Nov 08 15:28:00 <RST38h> But it is $10/mo for patchy internet access
Nov 08 15:28:45 <RST38h> And after 3 months, it is $22/mo for the same patchy access
Nov 08 15:29:00 <RST38h> I.e. more than I pay for 100Mbd wired residential access
Nov 08 15:29:15 <derf> That's actually fairly cheap compared to most public WiFi access.
Nov 08 15:29:24 <derf> It's _all_ a total ripoff.
Nov 08 15:29:29 <RST38h> Yep
Nov 08 15:29:47 <RST38h> But the prices above are still a total ripoff, given how rarely you will use it
Nov 08 15:30:03 <johnx> it does depend on your usage patterns
Nov 08 15:30:20 <RST38h> johnx: It depends on how ubiqitous it is, and it is not
Nov 08 15:30:36 <johnx> it depends on if you're at or near a starbucks everyday
Nov 08 15:30:42 <johnx> or *gag* a mcdonalds
Nov 08 15:30:47 <RST38h> I use GPRS on daily basis, it works everywhere (slowly) and costs me less than above quotes
Nov 08 15:31:05 <johnx> that's nice. are you in the country we're talking about?
Nov 08 15:31:07 <RST38h> johnx: I am near corporate network every day =)
Nov 08 15:31:12 <RST38h> johnx: No =)
Nov 08 15:31:32 <johnx> neither am I. you don't hear me talking about ubiquitous 3G and opera on every phone :P
Nov 08 15:31:53 <RST38h> johnx: Well, GPRS is also ubiquitous in the US
Nov 08 15:32:04 <johnx> but not for less than $20/month
Nov 08 15:32:06 <RST38h> johnx: And I heard 3G is there as well.
Nov 08 15:35:40 <RST38h> johnx: Well, back to my original point: cheap mobile internet access is not gonna happen in the US any time soon
Nov 08 15:36:01 <johnx> yeah, compromises to be had everywhere
Nov 08 15:36:52 <johnx> it will still be interesting to see what the government does as the narrow bands available for wireless networking fill up
Nov 08 15:37:28 <RST38h> auction another band or two
Nov 08 15:39:00 <GAN800> Politics and itT just don't mix.
Nov 08 15:43:19 <disco_stu> hi
Nov 08 15:43:37 <Stskeeps> GAN800: fight to the death with 770s?
Nov 08 15:48:30 <RST38h> johnx: I don't think anything will fill up any time soon
Nov 08 15:49:13 <RST38h> johnx: you have got overpriced service, soft initial demand and an economic crisis to boot
Nov 08 15:49:32 <johnx> it'll happen pretty quick when people take their youtube habbit on the road
Nov 08 15:50:00 <johnx> it might not happen soon, but when it takes off I think it's going to cause some problems in the short term
Nov 08 15:50:02 <RST38h> + the size and characters of current licensees makes me believe they will not let anyone else use that spectrum at reasonable terms
Nov 08 15:51:19 <RST38h> so those bands will become an "asset" :)
Nov 08 15:51:59 <RST38h> ass-set =)
Nov 08 15:52:09 <johnx> it'll just be interesting to see how they cope, that's all. :)
Nov 08 15:52:27 <RST38h> johnx: you want to know hoe they cope, you look at current broadband
Nov 08 15:52:39 <johnx> bandwidth caps, sure
Nov 08 15:52:47 <johnx> s/bandwidth/transfer/
Nov 08 15:52:47 <infobot> johnx meant: transfer caps, sure
Nov 08 15:52:48 <RST38h> johnx: Bandwidth caps, filters for certain services, possible pay-per-bandwidth
Nov 08 15:53:52 <lardman> damn media meta crawler thingy
Nov 08 15:54:08 <lardman> It's found qwerty's lethal bizzle
Nov 08 15:54:12 <johnx> but broadband ISPs can add more bandwidth on the backend relatively easily compared to trying to buy new spectrum, build out towers, sell handsets, etc
Nov 08 15:54:14 <lardman> I'm bleeding from the ears
Nov 08 15:54:21 <pupnik> bizzie?
Nov 08 15:54:43 <lardman> pupnik: some garage (?) group or something
Nov 08 15:54:50 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, lol, you still have that? I'm starting to suspect you like it ;P
Nov 08 15:55:11 <lardman> I had a few copies of it on the device, obviously left one behind! :)
Nov 08 15:55:32 <qwerty12_N800> :P
Nov 08 15:55:48 <RST38h> johnx: the measures will still be the same
Nov 08 15:56:10 <johnx> but it's gonna be a lot rougher for them I think
Nov 08 15:56:21 <johnx> and, well, I look forward to seeing them squirm
Nov 08 15:58:19 <pupnik> i nwant a low-cpu, low-bandwidth connection quality indicator on the statusbar
Nov 08 15:58:52 <lardman> connection strength in the icon would be good
Nov 08 16:02:26 <pupnik> good lord the connection is ssslllow
Nov 08 16:03:46 <Stskeeps> johnx: Mem:    126796k total,    19516k used,   107280k free,        0k buffers
Nov 08 16:03:46 <Stskeeps> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,     6892k cached
Nov 08 16:03:52 <Stskeeps> on  minimal ubuntu bootup btw
Nov 08 16:04:06 <Stskeeps> and this is with tty1-9 open
Nov 08 16:04:50 <johnx> nice
Nov 08 16:05:26 <Stskeeps> .. and bash, which takes up 1.7% mem :P
Nov 08 16:06:35 <Stskeeps> upstart/init, 1.3%, udev 0.5%, and that's it of processes running.. so the busybox argument is definately not about memory
Nov 08 16:06:51 <pupnik> wow
Nov 08 16:07:22 <Stskeeps> (there's gettys and login, but they arent relevant in our end use case)
Nov 08 16:09:51 <Stskeeps> johnx: .. so looking forward to maemo-gtk,hildon packages. the ubuntu ones are a nightmare to get to work sanely in this one
Nov 08 16:10:31 <johnx> issues with ARM or something else?
Nov 08 16:10:45 <emma_goldstein> where can i find a telepathy-silc plugin or purple with silc for pidgin?
Nov 08 16:11:05 <emma_goldstein> .deb preferred
Nov 08 16:11:13 <Stskeeps> johnx: when moving to UM they wrecked plankton theme totally
Nov 08 16:11:43 <johnx> yay for burnt bridges!
Nov 08 16:11:57 <Stskeeps> and the hasty version requires flash and doesn't work well when moblin-media isn't existing (so ubuntu-mobile metapackage isn't installable)
Nov 08 16:12:06 <Stskeeps> i should ask meiz wtf he did
Nov 08 16:12:28 <emma_goldstein> burning down the house - dumdidumm.. yes ;)
Nov 08 16:14:07 * qwerty12 must have the most fucked up intrepid install ever. But at least my internet is working :)
Nov 08 16:14:39 <johnx> actually it kept deleting my wired ethernet connection at first, but seems ok now
Nov 08 16:15:13 * johnx makes mental note to throw away his useless usb-a -> mini-b cable
Nov 08 16:17:22 <pupnik> qwerty12, what is intrepid?
Nov 08 16:17:35 <lcuk> new ubuntu i believe
Nov 08 16:17:39 <lcuk> intrepid ibis or something
Nov 08 16:17:41 <qwerty12_N800> pupnik, latest ubuntu release
Nov 08 16:17:46 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, ibex :P
Nov 08 16:17:57 <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/boink.png
Nov 08 16:18:19 <pupnik> is the wlan scan in connection manager passive?
Nov 08 16:18:56 <lcuk> Stskeeps, :) you are emerging from the dark - i am loving seeing the progress you are making
Nov 08 16:19:34 <johnx> Stskeeps, impressive, that looks more mangled than beta2 :)
Nov 08 16:19:37 <RST38h> Sts: Is it gonna be better than plain sb2? =)
Nov 08 16:22:46 <qwerty12> w00t! ndiswrapper working with 2.6.27-7-generic kernel :). Just had to stick with hardy's networkmanager and compile ndiswrapper trunk. "*** WARNING: This kernel lacks wireless extensions. Wireless drivers will not work properly." - that alarms me but so far it's working and if not, I can just boot from hardy's kernel :)
Nov 08 16:22:49 <Stskeeps> RST38h: well we're trying to build a new maemo too at the same time
Nov 08 16:22:56 <woglinde> re
Nov 08 16:23:03 <qwerty12> hi woglinde
Nov 08 16:23:10 <Stskeeps> and this is just craptacular
Nov 08 16:23:22 <woglinde> qwerty12 buy a better wlan card
Nov 08 16:23:23 <woglinde> *g*
Nov 08 16:23:42 <qwerty12> woglinde, I'm too cheap to do that :P
Nov 08 16:23:59 * w00t really regrets his nick sometimes..
Nov 08 16:24:10 <woglinde> qwerty12 sell your old card
Nov 08 16:24:18 <Stskeeps> okay.. more from my dorm network admin experiences: guy emailing about that his torrents are now going at 220kb/s, and in the past it was much higher! and everyone at my dorm has the same problem!
Nov 08 16:24:29 <qwerty12> woglinde, I'd get £5 for it :P
Nov 08 16:24:36 <Stskeeps> .. because the bloody line specs are 2mbit/1mbit per user.
Nov 08 16:24:42 <emma_goldstein> intrepid is burning beta, network manager is evil now and all bluetooth-services are fucked up
Nov 08 16:25:38 <qwerty12> emma_goldstein, I *hate* the new network manager. I ended up reformatting hardy last time when I tried network manager svn in it... This time, I did an upgrade while holding back gnome-system-tools & network manager
Nov 08 16:26:13 <emma_goldstein> don't even try 64bit - maemo crosscompile won't work :-X
Nov 08 16:26:31 <lardman> even with 32bit libs?
Nov 08 16:27:38 <woglinde> qwerty12 really try if/updown with guessnet ifplug and wpa_supplicant
Nov 08 16:27:43 <woglinde> your life will be easier
Nov 08 16:28:04 <emma_goldstein> qwerty12: network-manager is for laptop-babies, crippling down  used behaviour - no network-aliases and dbus-renewed announce of networks - so coming home after work is realizint network-manager has cut all connections 15 minutes after i left
Nov 08 16:28:30 <qwerty12> woglinde, all I have to do is remove and reinsert my wifi dongle and ndiswrapper module automatically gets inserted :)
Nov 08 16:28:31 <Stskeeps> there are times when i deal with NM, that i absolutely love nokia's stuff
Nov 08 16:28:39 <Stskeeps> even though it is broken in some places.
Nov 08 16:28:51 <woglinde> qwerty12 that has nothing to do with network manager
Nov 08 16:28:55 <woglinde> thats udev magic
Nov 08 16:29:11 <woglinde> qwerty12 networkmanager can't do what guessnet can to
Nov 08 16:29:11 <qwerty12> emma_goldstein, yeah... Stupid network-manager in intrepid cuts off my connections after a while...
Nov 08 16:29:22 <pupnik> like 2 minutes lag here
Nov 08 16:29:39 <pupnik> chat coming through in 20-line chunks
Nov 08 16:29:45 <emma_goldstein> turn it off and forget it for a while - maybe it will grow up the next five years
Nov 08 16:29:54 <qwerty12> woglinde, I don't think it's udev... I ran ndiswrapper -m, ndiswrapper -ma, ndiswrapper -mi last time which adds config to /etc/modprobe.d
Nov 08 16:30:07 <qwerty12> woglinde, atm, I'm glad it's working like this, I don't want to add another factor :)
Nov 08 16:30:21 <woglinde> qwerty12 yeah but how should modprobe work when udev isnt notice
Nov 08 16:30:24 <emma_goldstein> no, it's definitely not udev
Nov 08 16:30:31 <woglinde> ?????
Nov 08 16:30:41 <woglinde> I said udev is for inserting the ndis modules
Nov 08 16:30:53 <woglinde> I didnt say udev cuts your network connection
Nov 08 16:30:59 <emma_goldstein> network-manager ties 1 (!) IP to 1 hardware-interface, everything else is forbidden
Nov 08 16:32:00 <Stskeeps> http://www.ieor.iitb.ac.in/~jayendran/comics/calvin-on-scientific-progress.gif
Nov 08 16:32:11 <Stskeeps> i think this comic strip defines me.
Nov 08 16:32:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 16:32:29 <emma_goldstein> anyone knows anything about silc on maemo?
Nov 08 16:34:30 <johnx> does that make you Calvin or Hobbes?
Nov 08 16:34:41 <Stskeeps> think calvin
Nov 08 16:34:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 16:34:53 <Stskeeps> but a bit of personality split, both
Nov 08 16:34:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 16:36:20 <emma_goldstein> even where i can get a compiled version of this svn-tree?
Nov 08 16:36:22 <emma_goldstein> https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=324
Nov 08 16:36:41 <jagernot> hello i have a synth test ...its the very beginning but if anyone would like to run it and play with it
Nov 08 16:36:47 <jagernot> will be happy to post a link
Nov 08 16:37:03 <emma_goldstein> post it
Nov 08 16:37:12 <Stskeeps> johnx: still building?
Nov 08 16:37:31 <jagernot> http://www.poojyum.com/h
Nov 08 16:37:36 <qwerty12_N800> emma_goldstein, I'd offer but formatting ubuntu means i'm scratchbox less :(. if noone else offers, i'll see if i can compile it when i reinstall sbox
Nov 08 16:37:53 <johnx> Stskeeps, yes O_o
Nov 08 16:37:55 <Stskeeps> johnx: btw when we compile hildon i presume we will enable maemo gtk extensions?
Nov 08 16:38:03 <Stskeeps> johnx: doc part took about half a night for me
Nov 08 16:38:04 <johnx> definitely
Nov 08 16:38:10 <johnx> half a night! O_o
Nov 08 16:38:22 <Stskeeps> .. on qemu
Nov 08 16:38:26 <johnx> if you have a faster way to do this, and this is blocking you, then go ahead if you want
Nov 08 16:38:27 <emma_goldstein> i'm just downloading the maemo-sdk-vmware
Nov 08 16:39:24 <emma_goldstein> intrepid and scratchbox2 is well prepared for maemo-sdk, but not fot 64bit
Nov 08 16:39:26 <jagernot> synth test: left of the screen low pitch, right high pitch..no volume control yet ..hoping to make it pressure sensitive; link: http://www.poojyum.com/h
Nov 08 16:39:39 <jagernot> its called 'h' easy to type from xterm.
Nov 08 16:40:03 <jagernot> use stylus or fingers
Nov 08 16:40:17 <pupnik> jagernot cool!
Nov 08 16:40:34 <Stskeeps> johnx: i'm not sure i do O_o
Nov 08 16:40:45 <Stskeeps> well
Nov 08 16:40:51 <Stskeeps> except getting the beagle up and running..
Nov 08 16:41:06 <Stskeeps> think i'll do that past dinner
Nov 08 16:41:23 <jagernot> pupnik: it runs?
Nov 08 16:42:48 <emma_goldstein> jagenot: "syntax error"
Nov 08 16:42:54 <johnx> I'm just hoping glib finishes before I go to sleep so I can start gtk and leave it all night
Nov 08 16:42:56 <qwerty12_N800> jagernot, runs here, it's good, but effin loud! :D
Nov 08 16:43:12 <jagernot> yeah u may want to reduce ur volume :)
Nov 08 16:43:50 <jagernot> its all integers so i had kept the short int to max ie 32767 so yeah loud!
Nov 08 16:45:17 <emma_goldstein> h: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting *)*)
Nov 08 16:45:27 <Stskeeps> chmod +x? :P
Nov 08 16:45:32 <Stskeeps> on tablet
Nov 08 16:45:41 <qwerty12_N800> emma_goldstein, are you running it on  tablet?
Nov 08 16:46:00 <emma_goldstein> yes
Nov 08 16:47:42 <pupnik> yes jagernot
Nov 08 16:47:42 <pupnik> works
Nov 08 16:47:55 <pupnik> ok too tired     gtg   cheers!
Nov 08 16:48:16 <gnutonZZ> Hey guys, does the builder server work?
Nov 08 16:48:25 <emma_goldstein> diablo-safe?
Nov 08 16:48:28 <jagernot> are you guys able to make music with it :)
Nov 08 16:48:53 * aantn notices the topic about gold on friday and can't help but think about fight club
Nov 08 16:48:58 <Stskeeps> 3192B/s.. jesus, mojo is slower than maemo.org
Nov 08 16:49:45 <gnutonZZ> I upladed a package at 11 o'clock. and there are no results yet
Nov 08 16:50:02 <gnutonZZ> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/quassel_0.3.0+git20081108-g224e969maemo0/
Nov 08 16:52:15 <emma_goldstein> jagernot: what dependencies do i need?
Nov 08 16:52:15 <lcuk> gnutonZZ, its not finished yet, something is up
Nov 08 16:52:25 <lcuk> look atr your results thing and then look at mine
Nov 08 16:52:25 <lcuk> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/liqbase_0.1.5/summary.log
Nov 08 16:52:35 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, something about that kernel you gave me is ... very strange
Nov 08 16:52:53 <jagernot> emma_goldstein: not sure...i use the n810 as i bought it
Nov 08 16:52:55 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, hmm?
Nov 08 16:53:06 <jagernot> emma: chinook 4.0.x sdk
Nov 08 16:53:17 <emma_goldstein> jaggernot: did you update?
Nov 08 16:53:23 <jagernot> emma:no
Nov 08 16:53:24 <johnx> it has some compatibility issues with modules compiled for the normal diablo kernel...or something
Nov 08 16:54:15 <emma_goldstein> i'm running fresh diablo here - with auto-upgrade - welcome to the nokia-update-crashworld
Nov 08 16:54:39 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, it shouldn't do. all the modules i compile against the standard kernel insmod in mine. plus, nokia's modules from initfs insmod fine
Nov 08 16:55:09 <johnx> stuff insmods fine, but I was getting some really weird usb and wlan issues while using it
Nov 08 16:55:19 <johnx> flashing back to diablo's kernel seems to have solved it
Nov 08 16:55:20 <emma_goldstein> chmod +x = permission denied
Nov 08 16:56:34 <qwerty12_N800> hrm, sorry to hear that. i'll check it because i know wlan works fine for me. with usb, maybe some patch is conflicting
Nov 08 16:57:01 <johnx> it's the cx3110x.ko that stskeeps built that seems to have problems
Nov 08 16:57:06 <emma_goldstein> 2.6.21-omap1
Nov 08 16:57:20 <johnx> anyways, I'm not complaining. :) I just wanted to give you a heads up in case you run into weird problems
Nov 08 16:57:43 <qwerty12> :)
Nov 08 16:58:00 <emma_goldstein> me too :-D
Nov 08 17:04:50 <hahlobit> when i boot sdcard version, i got permission problems and example any bookmarks doesn't work i see my bookmarks but browser goes homepage?
Nov 08 17:08:22 <Stskeeps> johnx: think i'll target having a beagleboard buildbox for now, can't get SB2 to act sanely enough for my taste
Nov 08 17:08:34 <johnx> darn :(
Nov 08 17:08:47 <Stskeeps> or i need to extend the rootstrap with a hell lot of packages
Nov 08 17:08:53 <johnx> I had the same experience months back, but I figured it must be a lot better by now
Nov 08 17:09:00 <Stskeeps> it is, but hmm
Nov 08 17:09:07 <Stskeeps> i don't get why it tries to rm /tmp/.X11-unix for instance, from the root system
Nov 08 17:09:12 <Stskeeps> when in emulated mode
Nov 08 17:09:17 <johnx> O_o
Nov 08 17:09:22 <johnx> that's not kosher
Nov 08 17:09:36 <Stskeeps> well i wasn't running as root, so
Nov 08 17:09:55 <Stskeeps> i think there would be need for a sb2 expert to look at that point instead really
Nov 08 17:10:03 <emma_goldstein> sure, they emerged devil directly from /dev/null
Nov 08 17:10:17 <qwerty12> heh, permissions on my /tmp got fcuked once, a pita to sort out...
Nov 08 17:10:20 <johnx> the guys on #scratchbox (?) were pretty helpful last time I talked to them
Nov 08 17:10:30 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Nov 08 17:10:49 * Stskeeps ponders idly
Nov 08 17:11:10 <neillie> hi anybody here who knows how to have root permissions through popen without using sudo?
Nov 08 17:11:12 <Stskeeps> think i'll spend some time next week with beagleboard buildboxes that distcc to a crosscompiler
Nov 08 17:11:33 <Stskeeps> neillie: setuid? but maybe receipe for disaser..
Nov 08 17:11:51 <neillie> tried them all setuid, setreuid. did not work
Nov 08 17:12:05 <Stskeeps> setuid on the target? :P
Nov 08 17:12:19 <neillie> targets are insmod and rmmod
Nov 08 17:12:24 <qwerty12> neillie, also, are you calling setuid(0); from your application?
Nov 08 17:12:24 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 17:12:35 <Stskeeps> neillie: why not use sudo though?
Nov 08 17:12:41 <neillie> (am trying to extend usb-otg-plugin to load and remove modules)
Nov 08 17:12:54 <Stskeeps> and add to sudoers.d with a NOPASSWD
Nov 08 17:13:04 <neillie> I want to have the plugin work without having sudo installed
Nov 08 17:13:09 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 17:13:16 <Stskeeps> sudo is always installed in maemo though
Nov 08 17:13:32 <neillie> and always setup correctly?
Nov 08 17:13:35 <Stskeeps> aye
Nov 08 17:13:37 <neillie> then I am done
Nov 08 17:13:41 <Stskeeps> the system breaks down horridly without sudo
Nov 08 17:13:41 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 17:13:58 <neillie> that is a big relieve. thanks
Nov 08 17:21:08 <Stskeeps> johnx: found a qemu-arm chroot patch, this will be interesting..
Nov 08 17:21:41 <Stskeeps> logic dictates binary emulation should be faster than system emulation
Nov 08 17:21:45 <Stskeeps> as it translates to the kernel
Nov 08 17:21:58 <Stskeeps> and if qemu arm binary emulation is more sane now..
Nov 08 17:22:15 <Stskeeps> combining that with distcc..
Nov 08 17:23:52 <hahlobit> seems that inner sdcard is read-only how can  i fix it correctly? chmod ?
Nov 08 17:24:30 <johnx> you should probably fsck it or select repair from file manager
Nov 08 17:24:46 <hahlobit> ok
Nov 08 17:25:14 <johnx> file systems usually get remounted read-only because of errors
Nov 08 17:26:04 <hahlobit> ok
Nov 08 17:34:55 <disco_stu> ~rotation
Nov 08 17:35:21 <disco_stu> ~rotate
Nov 08 17:35:56 <johnx> infobot, rotation is http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation
Nov 08 17:36:00 <johnx> try it again
Nov 08 17:36:24 <disco_stu> not that page
Nov 08 17:36:37 <disco_stu> i'm looking for one that GeneralAntilles pointed out
Nov 08 17:37:13 <qwerty12> http://outpo.st/rotate/
Nov 08 17:37:20 <disco_stu> that one
Nov 08 17:37:22 <disco_stu> :D
Nov 08 17:37:55 <johnx> infobot, no rotation is http://outpo.st/rotate/
Nov 08 17:37:56 <infobot> okay, johnx
Nov 08 17:38:04 <johnx> you're right, that one looks better
Nov 08 17:39:30 <hahlobit> did fsck still read only, broken card?
Nov 08 17:40:02 <johnx> run "dmesg" and see if there's anything interesting in it
Nov 08 17:40:14 <hahlobit> ok
Nov 08 17:40:58 * qwerty12 sticks with 2.6.24-21-generic until the tossers at ubuntu can put out an decent intrepid kernel
Nov 08 17:41:36 <GAN800> johnx, probably leave it on the wiki
Nov 08 17:41:49 <GAN800> The .install doesn't actually work.
Nov 08 17:42:02 <johnx> ah, really?
Nov 08 17:42:07 <johnx> that's unfortunate
Nov 08 17:42:16 <johnx> infobot, rotation is http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation
Nov 08 17:42:24 <GAN800> Application manager wont let you replace system packages from a 3rd party repo.
Nov 08 17:42:26 <johnx> infobot, no rotation is http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation
Nov 08 17:42:27 <infobot> johnx: okay
Nov 08 17:42:34 <qwerty12> GAN800, Hopefully, the sooner the better that a new h-a-m is shipped via SSU. Because with 2.1.20, that install does work :/
Nov 08 17:42:51 <GAN800> osv-c is still the best short-term bet.
Nov 08 17:43:09 <GAN800> qwerty12, really? huh
Nov 08 17:43:23 <qwerty12> GAN800, Yep, tried it, it got treated like a proper ssu update
Nov 08 17:43:45 <qwerty12> Kernel was flashed automatically and everything
Nov 08 17:49:28 <Proteous> Mmmmm, ham
Nov 08 17:54:05 <johnx> glib finished!
Nov 08 17:54:22 <Stskeeps> woo!
Nov 08 17:54:30 <johnx> it's armv5el though
Nov 08 17:54:37 <Stskeeps> that's fine
Nov 08 17:54:52 <johnx> I'll see if this allows gtk to build
Nov 08 17:54:53 <qwerty12> johnx, you really should hack debian/rules next time to not build docs :P
Nov 08 17:55:21 <johnx> qwerty12, next build I'll sleep through :)
Nov 08 17:55:30 <qwerty12> hehe :)
Nov 08 17:58:18 <Stskeeps> johnx: scp packages somewhere?
Nov 08 17:58:24 <Stskeeps> http
Nov 08 17:59:00 <johnx> ah...I don't actually have any host right now :/
Nov 08 17:59:12 <johnx> I can put them on rapid share, or send them directly somewhere
Nov 08 17:59:40 <Stskeeps> think you have a scp account on trac.. sec
Nov 08 18:01:52 <johnx> glib even built without any hacks to rules or control. I'm quite impressed
Nov 08 18:03:49 <Stskeeps> mm, there's a small quirk to gtk as far as i can recall, it doesn't like debian packages make the libgtk2.0.0-bin package or something
Nov 08 18:03:55 <Stskeeps> or provides or whatever
Nov 08 18:04:49 <johnx> does it just need a quick tweak to the provides so that libgtk2.0-0 provides libgtk2.0-0-bin?
Nov 08 18:05:13 <Stskeeps> yeah, that's possible
Nov 08 18:05:41 <johnx> well is there some case in which we want lib but not bin?
Nov 08 18:07:17 <disco_stu> ~rotation
Nov 08 18:07:34 <disco_stu> is with me the problem, infobot ?
Nov 08 18:07:35 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 08 18:07:50 <disco_stu> i gues i dont have clearance..
Nov 08 18:09:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: test if there's a libgtk2.0-bin mentioned i guess, but yeah, provides would be it
Nov 08 18:09:17 <Stskeeps> i think some gtk packages in debian depend on it
Nov 08 18:09:55 <Stskeeps> (.. or something)b
Nov 08 18:10:01 <Stskeeps> brb cooking
Nov 08 18:10:04 <johnx> there is :)
Nov 08 18:10:14 <johnx> looks like they cleaned up their packages a lot
Nov 08 18:10:20 <koos> anyone knows who put librsvg in diablo/extras-devel? (it's in there since 27/06)
Nov 08 18:12:00 <GAN800> koos, check the maintainer field?
Nov 08 18:12:10 <GAN800> Or did they not change it!
Nov 08 18:12:24 <GAN800> s/!/?/
Nov 08 18:12:24 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Or did they not change it?
Nov 08 18:13:01 <koos> GAN800:how? (the -dev package doesn't contain a changelog file)
Nov 08 18:13:18 <GAN800> apt-cache show librsvg2-2
Nov 08 18:13:20 <qwerty12> koos, Terje Bergstrom <terje@terje.fi> is the maintainer
Nov 08 18:13:29 <GAN800> For Tear?
Nov 08 18:13:43 <qwerty12> shit, should have removed the @
Nov 08 18:14:02 <GAN800> pfft
Nov 08 18:14:04 <koos> thanks, I'll send him a mail
Nov 08 18:14:15 <GAN800> You did it on purpose you evil person. :P
Nov 08 18:14:36 <qwerty12> Yes, I am in a spamming ring :P. You can find me chilling out in Nigeria sometimes :P :D
Nov 08 18:15:54 <qwerty12> Time to see if the xchat hildonisation patches will apply to 2.8.6...
Nov 08 18:21:51 <pupnik810> idea: irssi built for extras...
Nov 08 18:22:16 <qwerty12> pupnik810, easily done, just I dunno if it would segfault...
Nov 08 18:22:33 <Stskeeps> cos of the non-standard perl? :P
Nov 08 18:22:38 <pupnik810> xchat begins to annoy... not remembering network config (channel autojoin)
Nov 08 18:23:06 <derf> But everyone who uses irssi also uses screen.
Nov 08 18:23:10 <disco_stu> pupnik810: it bothers me the same
Nov 08 18:23:17 <pupnik810> come back, qwerty12!
Nov 08 18:23:20 <derf> And thus there's no real reason to run it on the device.
Nov 08 18:23:20 <disco_stu> i use pidgin now
Nov 08 18:23:25 <Stskeeps> derf: yeah, except it's more responsive locally than over gprs ssh..
Nov 08 18:23:38 <qwerty12_N800> pupnik810, hmm? xchat remembers my settings here? is ~/.xchat2 owned by user?
Nov 08 18:23:39 <Stskeeps> and on a n800 word prediction isn't a bad thing..
Nov 08 18:23:47 <qwerty12_N800> pupnik810, qwerty12 v2 :)
Nov 08 18:23:58 <pupnik810> i check
Nov 08 18:24:01 <derf> Word prediction doesn't work in ssh?
Nov 08 18:24:16 <Stskeeps> in osso-xterm atleast not
Nov 08 18:25:01 <GAN800> xchat remembers stuff fine here.
Nov 08 18:25:12 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, one liner change to make word prediction work in osso-xterm but it was a bleeding nightmare...
Nov 08 18:25:32 <pupnik810> qwerty12_N800, yeah it is... comma seperated, the chanlist?
Nov 08 18:25:55 <johnx> ha! finally have my n800 booting and behaving
Nov 08 18:26:51 <qwerty12_N800> pupnik810, i only keep one chan there (guess which... :))
Nov 08 18:29:20 <pupnik810> :)
Nov 08 18:29:20 <pupnik810> i need to spend less time in irc anyway
Nov 08 18:29:21 <pupnik810> but it is more fun chatting with you than the barmaid
Nov 08 18:29:48 <johnx> and drinking at home is cheaper anyways :D
Nov 08 18:30:20 <pupnik810> <- picked up a Thinkpad T42p for the next round of scratchbox hacking
Nov 08 18:30:57 * Stskeeps needs to know some sb2 experts
Nov 08 18:30:57 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 18:30:59 <disco_stu> someone saw hoy cool looks pidgin with the screen rotated ?
Nov 08 18:31:07 <disco_stu> s/hoy/how/
Nov 08 18:31:08 <infobot> disco_stu meant: someone saw how cool looks pidgin with the screen rotated ?
Nov 08 18:31:39 <pupnik810> no kidding  - 9 euro in coffee tonight
Nov 08 18:31:42 <pupnik810> love thinkpads.... cept the price
Nov 08 18:32:04 <pupnik810> not i disco_stu
Nov 08 18:33:06 * RST38h yawns widely
Nov 08 18:33:19 <RST38h> Sts: So, I am still not getting it: how is your stuff different from the plain sb2?
Nov 08 18:34:04 <disco_stu> pupnik810: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Mg4WF2Oq1Zw/SRXVT4NKqJI/AAAAAAAAAFE/Y31-K2UcuK8/s1600-h/rotation2.JPG
Nov 08 18:34:07 <Stskeeps> RST38h: it's not
Nov 08 18:34:42 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i'm taking a non maemo sdk+ rootstrap, a rootstrap from ubuntu/mojo instead and trying to make it work sanely
Nov 08 18:34:44 <disco_stu> media player; http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Mg4WF2Oq1Zw/SRXVT35c0_I/AAAAAAAAAE8/K5FsWAkm3iI/s1600-h/rotation1.JPG
Nov 08 18:35:11 <Stskeeps> RST38h: the emu stuff earlier is simply building a system and having a reference emulator/device to scp things to and run on
Nov 08 18:35:16 <crashanddie> disco_stu, the media player looks wrong, pidgin does look slick, agreed
Nov 08 18:35:36 <disco_stu> i like the media player that way..
Nov 08 18:36:10 <disco_stu> pkg manager: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Mg4WF2Oq1Zw/SRXVT2tGljI/AAAAAAAAAFM/PWXHiVLFybs/s1600-h/rotation3.JPG
Nov 08 18:36:19 <Stskeeps> RST38h: and sb2 is a bit annoying when it comes to dealing with stuff like apt-get for some reason (sb2 -e apt-get bunchofdevpackages), cos of the packages doing things like rm /tmp/.X11-unix or deleting outside-rootstrap stuff..
Nov 08 18:36:50 <RST38h> Sts: yes, ti just does not work there
Nov 08 18:36:58 <Stskeeps> okay, :P
Nov 08 18:37:11 <Stskeeps> disco_stu: pidgin looks neat, yea
Nov 08 18:37:47 <Stskeeps> RST38h: okay - and that's a bit of a blocker.. also i had weird issues with autoconf and such
Nov 08 18:38:17 <Stskeeps> but that might just be because i don't know enough about sb2
Nov 08 18:38:48 <pupnik810> good lord, 5 minute lag
Nov 08 18:39:23 <johnx> is it on your side or freenode's side, pupnik810 ?
Nov 08 18:39:52 <lcuk> johnx, if hes got 5 minute lag we can call him names and manage to run far enough awa y before he notices ;)
Nov 08 18:40:36 <pupnik810> freenode it seems - pings elsewhere 80ms
Nov 08 18:41:32 <qwerty12_N800> liqbase sucks balls!
Nov 08 18:41:35 <qwerty12_N800> oh shit, it's pupnik with the lag
Nov 08 18:41:53 <Stskeeps> johnx: i think i'll start on some of the long hanging fruit, like debootstrap + udev + hal etc
Nov 08 18:41:59 <Stskeeps> get the base system running
Nov 08 18:42:02 <Stskeeps> as in the proposal
Nov 08 18:42:07 <Stskeeps> long/low
Nov 08 18:42:28 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, that module hasnt been written yet :P
Nov 08 18:42:31 <johnx> ok, then I'll try and get more stuff built from trunk and see where things blow up
Nov 08 18:42:36 <zakkm> liqbase is awesome :)
Nov 08 18:42:37 <johnx> I think gtk+ will build this time
Nov 08 18:42:54 <lcuk> heh zakkm flattery will get you far
Nov 08 18:43:00 <johnx> but I'll go to sleep for now and let it do its thing
Nov 08 18:43:03 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, :P. i'll check if infobot has that problem
Nov 08 18:43:12 <qwerty12_N800> infobot, suck balls
Nov 08 18:43:13 * infobot sucks balls's lips
Nov 08 18:43:17 <zakkm> no it is, only thing i dont like about it is no pdf reading so i have to convert to txt
Nov 08 18:44:31 <lcuk> well if you happen to know where there is a basic pdf library ill be happy to get something in - i have the format docs and a parser in visual basic  for older type pdfs, but have no time myself to put stuff like that in
Nov 08 18:45:21 <t_s_o> hmm, whos the crazy german in a eeepc gathering with a N800 and a apple keyboard?
Nov 08 18:45:43 <zakkm> no i don't. Its just i use my nokia for pdf reading and i just love the black background white text of liqbase :P
Nov 08 18:45:54 * lcuk has an apple keyboard and a maemo laptop mode and im in #eeepc
Nov 08 18:46:26 <t_s_o> figures :P
Nov 08 18:46:34 <zakkm> how much was the apple keyboard?
Nov 08 18:46:41 <lcuk> lol tso
Nov 08 18:46:46 <Stskeeps> lcuk: or look into a pdf->text converter? :P
Nov 08 18:46:50 <lcuk> i dunno, ask my missus she bought it for me
Nov 08 18:47:09 <lcuk> Stskeeps, problem there isnt so much pdf-> text its the image pdfs people seem to abuse
Nov 08 18:47:09 <t_s_o> i was just watching the video chippy posted here: http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/11/25-mobile-pcs-in-one-coffee-shop
Nov 08 18:47:12 <zakkm> Stskeeps: pdf to text converter app on liqbase?
Nov 08 18:47:28 <t_s_o> poppler?
Nov 08 18:47:37 <zakkm> mine just has text, the pdfs i use
Nov 08 18:47:39 <zakkm> book pdf's .
Nov 08 18:48:01 <lcuk> direct flat pdf documents are technically simple, i might start the ball rolling and put the basic parser in - it might give someone enough to build up from
Nov 08 18:48:35 <lcuk> but i dont want to get bogged down by liqbase becoming known as just a book reader
Nov 08 18:48:52 * lcuk uses it to read his books often tho
Nov 08 18:49:54 <zakkm> so add pdf and dont tell anyone but us :D
Nov 08 18:49:57 <zakkm> lol
Nov 08 18:50:16 <lcuk> lol zakkm, thats the same with lots of things
Nov 08 18:50:18 <t_s_o> whats why trying to build this swiss army knife programs?
Nov 08 18:50:22 <lcuk> theres a lot of code inside liqbase for use later on
Nov 08 18:50:25 <t_s_o> err, with
Nov 08 18:51:02 <lcuk> t_s_o, i think about interfaces a lot and have hundreds of different programs around which are geared towards my thinking about how to use a touch device
Nov 08 18:52:39 <lcuk> t_s_o, are you in windows
Nov 08 18:52:55 <zakkm> anyone know a theme "link" for NITs??
Nov 08 18:52:57 <t_s_o> for the moment, yes. gaming addiction :P
Nov 08 18:53:21 <lcuk> heh - this is the sort of thing ive built in the past: http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.exe
Nov 08 18:53:48 <t_s_o> ok
Nov 08 18:56:05 <GAN800> Consoles are useful for breaking the Windows gaming cycle. :P
Nov 08 18:56:41 <Navi> What morons play PC games?
Nov 08 18:56:48 <GAN800> Navi
Nov 08 18:57:27 <Navi> Incorrect
Nov 08 18:57:41 <pupnik810> what game(s) t_s_o
Nov 08 18:58:02 <GAN800> Don't lie, Navi.
Nov 08 18:58:16 <GAN800> I was there. I SAW you. :P
Nov 08 18:58:24 <Navi> You call that playing?
Nov 08 18:58:34 <Navi> I call that moving my mouse back and forth, clicking every so often.
Nov 08 18:59:01 <GAN800> Tell yourself whatever lies you need to to get by. :P
Nov 08 18:59:05 <t_s_o> pupnik810: mmo's mostly, altho i had a fallout 3 binge the other day...
Nov 08 18:59:22 <pupnik810> btw i am confident the powervr sgx can render scorched3d acceptably
Nov 08 18:59:22 <pupnik810> ick... megalagagain
Nov 08 18:59:43 <Navi> GAN800: they are truths.
Nov 08 18:59:48 <GAN800> I'm waiting for ioq3
Nov 08 19:00:07 <GAN800> Tabler deathmatches should be fun.
Nov 08 19:00:19 <GAN800> s/Tabler/Tablet/
Nov 08 19:00:19 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Tablet deathmatches should be fun.
Nov 08 19:00:25 <t_s_o> heh, kinda like that networked driving game for C64? ;)
Nov 08 19:00:58 <pupnik810> ioq3?
Nov 08 19:01:04 <Navi> ioquake3
Nov 08 19:01:17 <Navi> builds on top of the quake3 source
Nov 08 19:01:47 * qwerty12_N800 would also like to see openut
Nov 08 19:01:53 <zakkm> Is there 3d acceleration on the nokia?
Nov 08 19:01:58 <zakkm> hardware. N800
Nov 08 19:02:14 <zakkm> like on the gpu itself
Nov 08 19:05:15 <crashanddie> zakkm, the hardware is there, no support for it though
Nov 08 19:05:35 <zakkm> so its just a matter of time for someone to make a driver?
Nov 08 19:07:16 <pupnik810> hehe dont hold yer breath for that
Nov 08 19:07:38 <l7> heh, tablet deathmatch
Nov 08 19:07:52 <zakkm> but it just sounds like it would help so much
Nov 08 19:09:37 <GAN800> Eh, not without a lot of work on the drivers
Nov 08 19:10:45 <zakkm> :(
Nov 08 19:11:08 <t_s_o> not a desktop gpu, less developers, less chance of someone having the knowledge and time to make a driver...
Nov 08 19:12:11 <qwerty12_N800> heh, the old dreamcast in the attic has the sane gpu :p
Nov 08 19:12:17 <qwerty12_N800> *same rather
Nov 08 19:12:32 <t_s_o> heh
Nov 08 19:13:30 <zakkm> really?
Nov 08 19:13:33 <zakkm> the exact same?
Nov 08 19:13:40 <zakkm> or you talking how powerful
Nov 08 19:14:32 <lopz> hola
Nov 08 19:14:34 <qwerty12_N800> the same, powervr. dunno about *exact* but the n800 + dreamcast both have a powervr
Nov 08 19:15:04 <zakkm> o.
Nov 08 19:15:26 <Navi> :P
Nov 08 19:16:25 <pupnik810> pfsh.  leave something for the next tablet
Nov 08 19:17:29 <qwerty12_N800> the best work done on it was by pH5 who was at least able to turn it on but it wasn't functional
Nov 08 19:19:24 <pupnik810> eh i dont think the dreamcast had shaders
Nov 08 19:20:46 <derf> I didn't think this one did, either.
Nov 08 19:21:16 <Navi> PowerVRs didn't get shaders 'til the series 5 cips
Nov 08 19:21:17 <Navi> chips*
Nov 08 19:21:22 <qwerty12_N800> no idea... it's been a looong time since i used mine. my dvd burner can't burn to cd-r well enough as my old computer so the dc wont read my burnt games
Nov 08 19:21:45 <lcuk> stop burning them then and just write normal cdrs :P
Nov 08 19:22:34 <qwerty12_N800> unfortunately I didn't salvage the old cd-r burner or i'd have connected it to my new comp :p
Nov 08 19:23:25 <lcuk> the powervr chip on the dreamcast is a standalone gpu and had its roots in the desktop standard agp card (this is also what the old linux driver is for).  afterwards the powervr library was burned into the omap chips, but theres no knowledge of whether its the same or not
Nov 08 19:23:50 <lcuk> (*public knowledge)
Nov 08 19:25:46 <Stskeeps> lcuk: you went to linuxtag yet or?
Nov 08 19:25:58 <lcuk> i was there earlier this year
Nov 08 19:26:03 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 19:26:24 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, s/linuxtag/leenuckstag/ :p
Nov 08 19:30:36 <gomiam> XD
Nov 08 19:31:29 <Stskeeps> 'lo Meizirkki
Nov 08 19:31:36 <Meizirkki> hello!
Nov 08 19:33:02 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: basically we're trying based on the proposal on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed to make a proof of concept on how a future maemo OS could look, - Nokia seems interested in it, and if it doesn't end up being a future maemo, it will be a good alternative mobile platform
Nov 08 19:34:01 <Stskeeps> where we right now are working on bootable images based on a minimal ubuntu, targeting n800 emulation in qemu, putting fremantle hildon and such on top, - but also making it possible to easily have both xfce/lxde/ubuntu mobile/etc on same device
Nov 08 19:34:31 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 19:35:19 <Meizirkki> if someone builds armv6 kernel, i will surely start playing with qemu
Nov 08 19:35:37 <Stskeeps> you have seen that qemu emulation exists in latest qemu?
Nov 08 19:35:40 <Stskeeps> er
Nov 08 19:35:42 <Stskeeps> n800 emulation
Nov 08 19:35:57 <lcuk> qemu vanishes up its own backside ;)
Nov 08 19:36:14 <Stskeeps> qemu inside qemu can exist :P
Nov 08 19:36:24 <Meizirkki> ok :)
Nov 08 19:37:07 <Stskeeps> so what you've done is getting UM going inside a chroot or?
Nov 08 19:37:53 <Meizirkki> well, ubuntu mobile starts and at least the top panel works
Nov 08 19:38:17 <Stskeeps> yeah.. in their latest packages from u-m they switched to a python thing instead of flash
Nov 08 19:38:40 <Meizirkki> Will that work better?
Nov 08 19:38:47 <Meizirkki> or wokr anyway
Nov 08 19:38:54 <Meizirkki> *work
Nov 08 19:39:16 <Stskeeps> well, flash on gecko vs python on gtk.. i think python on gtk wins
Nov 08 19:40:01 <Meizirkki> ok, I tried some maemo apps on UM interface, everything seems to work quite well
Nov 08 19:40:23 <Stskeeps> by re-targeting their DISPLAY or?
Nov 08 19:40:33 <Stskeeps> or like qole's stuff
Nov 08 19:40:55 <Meizirkki> i closed maemos hildon, and started ubuntus one
Nov 08 19:41:01 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 19:41:18 <Meizirkki> but i had to keep terminal open all the time, because there is no menu to select apps
Nov 08 19:41:22 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 08 19:41:29 <Stskeeps> you said you had screenshots from that?
Nov 08 19:41:36 <Meizirkki> it works also in xephyr
Nov 08 19:42:02 <Meizirkki> No screenshots, but ybad quality photos
Nov 08 19:42:09 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 19:42:21 <Meizirkki> picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810#
Nov 08 19:43:01 <Meizirkki> those screenshots are when running in xephyr
Nov 08 19:43:22 <Stskeeps> very impressive though
Nov 08 19:43:33 <Meizirkki> but even if i set export to display :1 microb starts inside maemo
Nov 08 19:43:50 <Meizirkki> thats why i had to close maemos UI
Nov 08 19:43:55 <Stskeeps> http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810#5266329457143733138 <- neat
Nov 08 19:44:00 <Stskeeps> yeah there's a browserd or something
Nov 08 19:45:09 <Stskeeps> http://picasaweb.google.com/mail.deweb/n810#5266329457143733138 looks quite neat
Nov 08 19:45:22 <Meizirkki> just playing..
Nov 08 19:45:34 <Meizirkki> at least i got something to launch apps
Nov 08 19:45:37 <Stskeeps> well that's what is good, i'm doing the same with deblet and this thing
Nov 08 19:45:54 <Stskeeps> and if it actually ends up changing something, then there's a bonus to it
Nov 08 19:46:28 <Meizirkki> Where are the python+gtk UI pckages?
Nov 08 19:47:46 <Stskeeps> think they're in launchpad, sec
Nov 08 19:47:53 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 19:48:34 <Stskeeps> or look for the hildon-desktop in intrepid (packages.ubuntu.com), think they're there
Nov 08 19:48:48 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 19:49:15 <Meizirkki> i'll install UM to my ubuntu box.
Nov 08 19:50:13 <Meizirkki> i installed tablet-hw-n8x0-nonfree from deblet repos, and installed deblet flashplayer, flash interface still does not work
Nov 08 19:51:09 <Meizirkki> *reasing that maemo page*
Nov 08 19:51:49 <Stskeeps> yeah, did you run the nonfree script too? ;)
Nov 08 19:52:45 <Meizirkki> script? /usr/libexec/something/make-repo? if so: yes
Nov 08 19:53:05 <Stskeeps> k - and is adobe-flashplayer there?
Nov 08 19:53:06 <Stskeeps> package
Nov 08 19:53:28 <Meizirkki> BTW it downloaded adobe flashplayer and i installed it
Nov 08 19:53:42 <Stskeeps> u-m did that?
Nov 08 19:53:59 <Meizirkki> just --force-architecture
Nov 08 19:54:01 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 19:54:14 <Stskeeps> of both deblet flashplayer (which is a wrapper) and adobe-flashplayer?
Nov 08 19:54:39 <Meizirkki> then i made symbolic link from /usr/lib/libflashplayer.so to /root/.mozilla/plugins/
Nov 08 19:54:58 <Meizirkki> as the UM page said
Nov 08 19:55:34 <Meizirkki> i installed deblet flashplayer too
Nov 08 19:56:00 <Meizirkki> it was tricky, and firefox still refuses to show flash pages :(
Nov 08 19:56:11 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 19:56:37 <Stskeeps> yeah, well, deblet flashplayer is the .so you need to ln -s to plugins
Nov 08 19:56:43 <Stskeeps> it won't load normally else
Nov 08 19:56:51 <Stskeeps> it needs maemo GTK things so
Nov 08 19:56:58 <Meizirkki> thats jus what i did
Nov 08 19:57:05 <Stskeeps> hm
Nov 08 19:57:13 <Stskeeps> well i didn't test it under u-m so
Nov 08 19:57:18 <Stskeeps> just in epiphany and such
Nov 08 19:58:11 <Meizirkki> *trying some tricks with it*
Nov 08 19:58:27 <Stskeeps> check if it's in about:plugins atleast
Nov 08 19:59:30 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 20:04:22 <Meizirkki> errors:
Nov 08 20:04:26 <Meizirkki> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library libXt.so [libXt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
Nov 08 20:04:44 <Meizirkki> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/libflashplayer.so [libcurl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
Nov 08 20:05:29 <Stskeeps> and libflashplayer is the libdebletflashplayer.so?
Nov 08 20:05:36 <Stskeeps> or whatever the name was again
Nov 08 20:06:18 <Meizirkki> i have libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/
Nov 08 20:06:57 <Meizirkki> i made symbolic link to /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins/
Nov 08 20:07:08 <Meizirkki> now it does not show error
Nov 08 20:07:19 <Meizirkki> but flash still does not work :(
Nov 08 20:09:17 <Stskeeps> okay, where is the libdebletflashplayer.so?
Nov 08 20:10:04 <Stskeeps> should be in usr/lib/browser/plugins
Nov 08 20:10:05 <Meizirkki> i don't know
Nov 08 20:10:08 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 20:10:34 <Stskeeps> take that and ln it into plugins instead of libflashplayer (libflashplayer should not be in plugins/
Nov 08 20:11:08 <Meizirkki> the file is called libflashplayer.so
Nov 08 20:11:14 <Meizirkki> no deblet anywhere
Nov 08 20:11:16 <Stskeeps> eh.
Nov 08 20:11:47 <Stskeeps> well then you didn't install debletflashplayer package :P
Nov 08 20:12:01 <Stskeeps> deblet-flashplayer, that is
Nov 08 20:13:29 <Meizirkki> i did install deblet-flashplayes
Nov 08 20:13:37 <Meizirkki> *r
Nov 08 20:14:05 <Stskeeps> then there should be a libdebletflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/browser/plugins :P dpkg -L deblet-flashplayer?
Nov 08 20:14:19 <Stskeeps> in any case, this is a hack and it's wonderful if it works and if it doesn't it doesn't :P
Nov 08 20:14:35 <Stskeeps> it adds stubs of maemo gtk api extensions so
Nov 08 20:14:45 <Meizirkki> [root@Debian: /usr/lib/browser/plugins]dpkg -L deblet-flashplayer
Nov 08 20:15:16 <Meizirkki> i cant paste it here :(
Nov 08 20:15:28 <Stskeeps> pastebin, rafb.net/paste
Nov 08 20:16:16 <Meizirkki> pastebin, rafb.net/paste
Nov 08 20:16:28 <Meizirkki> damn
Nov 08 20:17:06 <Meizirkki> wait
Nov 08 20:17:23 <Meizirkki> #/.
Nov 08 20:17:33 <Meizirkki> #/usr
Nov 08 20:17:42 <Meizirkki> #/usr/bin
Nov 08 20:17:49 <Stskeeps> just copy-paste it on http://www.rafb.net/paste :)
Nov 08 20:17:59 <Stskeeps> and give the url here it answers with when answered
Nov 08 20:18:05 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 20:18:06 <Stskeeps> if you aren't reading this off a screen..
Nov 08 20:19:09 <Meizirkki> there you go
Nov 08 20:19:11 <Meizirkki> http://rafb.net/p/aaxqsI50.html
Nov 08 20:19:45 <Stskeeps> eh.
Nov 08 20:20:06 <Meizirkki> what? :)
Nov 08 20:20:22 <Stskeeps> my fault
Nov 08 20:20:22 <Stskeeps> sec
Nov 08 20:25:56 <lcuk> bb whenever
Nov 08 20:27:45 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/export/6/trunk/nit-base-packages/debian-flashplayer/usr/lib/browser/plugins/libdebianflashplayer.so
Nov 08 20:27:55 <Stskeeps> get that and put it in /usr/lib/browser/plugins
Nov 08 20:28:02 <Meizirkki> ok, thanks!
Nov 08 20:33:50 <Meizirkki> still wont work :(
Nov 08 20:34:29 <Stskeeps> what errors?
Nov 08 20:34:32 <Stskeeps> libcurl and libxt?
Nov 08 20:35:44 <Meizirkki> no errors this time, it does not show on plugins
Nov 08 20:35:49 <Stskeeps> hmm
Nov 08 20:36:39 <Meizirkki> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed --  why you should move hardy to hasty in scripts, since mojos debootstrap .deb gives all needed scripts?
Nov 08 20:36:55 <Stskeeps> it doesn't support minbase
Nov 08 20:37:22 <Stskeeps> which is silly actually, cos minbase actually does run :P
Nov 08 20:37:40 <Meizirkki> what is minbase?
Nov 08 20:37:49 <Stskeeps> minbase is a very minimal subset of ubuntu
Nov 08 20:37:49 <Stskeeps> sec
Nov 08 20:37:58 <Meizirkki> is it needed for booting system
Nov 08 20:38:01 <Meizirkki> ?
Nov 08 20:38:52 <Stskeeps> ok - when you debootstrap you normally get the whole ubuntu base system, minbase is a variant of this
Nov 08 20:39:02 <Stskeeps> where it is "just enough" to get the system running
Nov 08 20:39:06 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 20:39:13 <Stskeeps> our system has to be able to fit in 250m flash, so
Nov 08 20:39:23 <Stskeeps> which a user can then clone or whatever to larger space
Nov 08 20:39:39 <Stskeeps> it may sound small but actually a lot can fit in there
Nov 08 20:39:48 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/minboot.txt is the packages in minbase (+ apt-utils and wget i think)
Nov 08 20:39:58 <Stskeeps> and some scripts to boot it
Nov 08 20:40:16 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 20:40:35 <Stskeeps> booted in 12 seconds on my n800
Nov 08 20:40:50 <Stskeeps> counting from when it started to mount (ext3)
Nov 08 20:41:02 <Stskeeps> and would probably be quicker if it wasn't framebuffer console
Nov 08 20:41:19 <Stskeeps> but anyway, does this sound interesting to experiment with?
Nov 08 20:41:31 <Meizirkki> absolutely
Nov 08 20:42:14 <Meizirkki> i love to try out diffrent things on my n810 :)
Nov 08 20:47:28 <Meizirkki> how can i install minimum rootfs, do i need to mess with the debootstrap scripts
Nov 08 20:47:29 <Meizirkki> ?
Nov 08 20:48:44 <Stskeeps> i basically just took hardy script and copied it to hasty, didn't edit it, debootstrap --arch=arm --variant=minbase hasty /target http://repository.handhelds.org/hasty-something
Nov 08 20:49:42 <Stskeeps> (i debootstrap on my tablet, so)
Nov 08 20:53:30 <guysoft42> hey , i am getting a nokia n810 soon, is there a good page you recommend to get started with advanced things? (i am a linux developer, but i would like to tap in to advanced user stuff)
Nov 08 20:54:02 <Stskeeps> guysoft42: sitting in here is a good way to be dragged into dark alleys of the tablet
Nov 08 20:54:29 <guysoft42> Stskeeps, i can see. i hope to start bugging with questions once i get it..
Nov 08 20:54:33 <Stskeeps> just ask lcuk, :P
Nov 08 20:54:53 <Meizirkki> internettablettalk.com
Nov 08 20:54:55 <Meizirkki> :)
Nov 08 20:54:57 <guysoft42> Stskeeps, is there a community news site? i am trying to find an rss feed to replace 1src
Nov 08 20:55:44 <Stskeeps> guysoft42: internettablettalk.com/forums is for better or worse the forums, and there's planet maemo on maemo.org
Nov 08 20:57:19 <GAN800> itT isn't the hacker's paradise it used to be
Nov 08 20:57:40 <GAN800> planet.maemo.org is the community news agreggator
Nov 08 20:58:32 <GAN800> Subscribe to maemo-developers and, maybe, maemo-community (if community stuff interests you).
Nov 08 20:59:43 <Stskeeps> is it just me or is there an insane amount of finnish tablet developers? :P
Nov 08 21:01:02 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, go on, get more Danish devs to develop for the tablet :p
Nov 08 21:02:12 <Stskeeps> think i only know two.. sec
Nov 08 21:03:36 <Stskeeps> this one might be interesting to some of you: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~bouvin/?p=30 (see the video)
Nov 08 21:03:46 <Stskeeps> quite interesting research project done at my uni
Nov 08 21:05:17 <Stskeeps> (the really interesting part is in the end)
Nov 08 21:06:49 <Meizirkki> can you give me the address again Stskeeps?
Nov 08 21:07:00 <Meizirkki> i just booted to flash
Nov 08 21:07:12 <Stskeeps> for which again?
Nov 08 21:07:34 <Meizirkki> link to the maemo page
Nov 08 21:09:36 <Stskeeps> ah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed
Nov 08 21:10:05 <Meizirkki> thanks
Nov 08 21:13:10 <Meizirkki> i think armv6el-vfp release is best choise, since n8x0 cpu is arm v6?
Nov 08 21:13:50 <lcuk> Stskeeps, OI! i don't go down dark alleyways with my tablet
Nov 08 21:15:03 <LiraNuna> anyone here got their hands on an N810 WiMAX yet?
Nov 08 21:15:17 <lcuk> yeah i held one in may i think
Nov 08 21:15:27 <lcuk> didnt get to keep it though
Nov 08 21:15:47 <LiraNuna> I meant was able to buy one
Nov 08 21:15:51 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: yeah, well, i took armv5 for now as armv6 wasn't properly done yet
Nov 08 21:16:06 <Stskeeps> and if we can show nice properties for 770s too .. ;)
Nov 08 21:16:06 <Meizirkki> ok
Nov 08 21:16:44 <Stskeeps> but that only has 128mb flash so that's more tight than a camel's ass
Nov 08 21:16:45 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 21:17:07 <Meizirkki> :D
Nov 08 21:17:22 <Meizirkki> oh, my internet is awfully slow!!! :(
Nov 08 21:17:39 <Meizirkki> dl speed is max 60kb/s
Nov 08 21:18:02 <Meizirkki> i am living in the middle of nowhere...
Nov 08 21:19:50 <lcuk> Meizirkki, i can sell you blocks of my fast internet if you want
Nov 08 21:20:02 <lcuk> if you pay me, ill download them to my computer really quickly for you
Nov 08 21:20:21 <Stskeeps> lcuk: saw the video i linked to?
Nov 08 21:20:29 <Meizirkki> ...
Nov 08 21:20:31 <lcuk> which?
Nov 08 21:20:45 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~bouvin/?p=30
Nov 08 21:21:32 <Stskeeps> the interesting part comes in the last 2/3rd
Nov 08 21:23:29 <lcuk> Stskeeps, ouch at the need to offload processing for such simple things
Nov 08 21:23:43 <lcuk> very good principle for larger details
Nov 08 21:24:18 <lcuk> but simple image processing like this has never been really slow - i remember using my amiga in realtimish
Nov 08 21:24:44 <lcuk> extremely nice app though
Nov 08 21:24:49 <Stskeeps> ye, design is quite good
Nov 08 21:24:54 <Stskeeps> designed in python afaik :P
Nov 08 21:25:03 <lcuk> heh - that explains it
Nov 08 21:25:15 <lcuk> why optimize code wheni can just throw another computer at it ;)
Nov 08 21:25:57 <lcuk> i do realtime alphablending, its not so far off from convulsions and stuff already ;)
Nov 08 21:26:28 <lcuk> surely as the images get bigger the network time will deteriorate as well
Nov 08 21:26:42 <Stskeeps> well it's a interesting thought, why shouldn't my tablet be as powerful as the environment it is in
Nov 08 21:26:58 <Stskeeps> yeah - but there's also interesting things involved with file surrogates and such
Nov 08 21:27:03 <lcuk> yes, network grid processing is a very powerful concept
Nov 08 21:27:33 <lcuk> distcc is one example close to home
Nov 08 21:27:52 <Stskeeps> yeah
Nov 08 21:28:28 <lcuk> optimum grid processing comes with low data transfer overheads and high cpu cost
Nov 08 21:28:57 <lcuk> ie, send fractal formula + coord range and get the big rig to calculate a whole tile of results
Nov 08 21:29:33 * lcuk should really do mandelbrot on tablet - its a really good system to test pan and zoom
Nov 08 21:29:38 <lcuk> i keep thinking i need it
Nov 08 21:29:55 <lcuk> infact, i will now
Nov 08 21:30:21 <woglinde> hehe
Nov 08 21:30:28 <woglinde> please not with vb
Nov 08 21:34:39 <lcuk> woglinde, i havent used vb since I refound my first love (c), it will be in native c and should use kinetics and hopefully be as fluid as usual
Nov 08 21:35:57 * Stskeeps continues pimping his minimal ubuntu.
Nov 08 21:40:01 <lcuk> Stskeeps, go go go, pimp all you like, minimalistic is logical for this platform
Nov 08 21:47:18 * Stskeeps waits for the judgement of mkfs.jffs2
Nov 08 21:50:20 <Meizirkki> wohoo! finally installed
Nov 08 21:50:36 <Meizirkki> what should i install next ;)
Nov 08 21:52:10 <Stskeeps> aaand. 107 mb flash: ubuntu minbase, upstart, gnu tools+dash/bash, no man pages&doc, d-bus, hal, GUPnP, some X libs + GTK, udev, gconf2, glib, gstreamer with plugins, pulseaudio, tracker, samba client, python2.5
Nov 08 21:52:46 <Stskeeps> sqlite as well
Nov 08 21:53:14 <Stskeeps> oh, and perl too
Nov 08 21:53:26 <Stskeeps> and vim-tiny
Nov 08 21:53:35 <Stskeeps> that's impressive, isn't it?
Nov 08 21:54:44 <Meizirkki> yep
Nov 08 21:55:32 <whodat> i get a bunch of prompts when running maemo mapper saying that the sql database is corrupted or missing file.. just started happening today, any ideas?
Nov 08 21:55:33 <lcuk> sqlite3 as well i hope :P thats mroe compatible with my desktop
Nov 08 21:55:50 <Stskeeps> libsqlite3-0
Nov 08 21:55:56 <lcuk> whodat, you probably corrupted your sql database file
Nov 08 21:56:02 <lcuk> excellent sts
Nov 08 21:56:13 <whodat> lcuk: how do i repair it
Nov 08 21:56:33 <lcuk> i dunno
Nov 08 21:56:41 <lcuk> restore from backup
Nov 08 21:56:42 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/107mb.txt (dpkg -l of the 107mb system.)
Nov 08 21:57:12 <lcuk> heh Stskeeps i notice a distinct lack of liqbase in there :P
Nov 08 21:58:36 <lcuk> thats an impressive list though
Nov 08 21:59:45 <Stskeeps> with this, porting an app from ubuntu or debian is a matter of hildonizing it.
Nov 08 22:00:06 <lcuk> isnt that the same with normal maemo?
Nov 08 22:01:08 <Stskeeps> nop
Nov 08 22:01:21 <Stskeeps> try having an app with a untraditional lib
Nov 08 22:01:24 <Stskeeps> and porting those libs
Nov 08 22:02:29 <lcuk> kinda like the inverse of me needing xsp
Nov 08 22:02:49 <lcuk> to use it properly on the desktop i would have to find an alternative pressure library
Nov 08 22:03:32 <Stskeeps> with this platform you can have both the power of a netbook distro in your hand and a power-saving mobile system
Nov 08 22:04:56 <Stskeeps> pft. sleep is overrated
Nov 08 22:05:10 <fale> hi
Nov 08 22:05:46 <fale> I have seen that the next version should be based on qt. is this true?
Nov 08 22:05:58 <lcuk> next version of what?
Nov 08 22:06:11 <qwerty12_N800> maemo
Nov 08 22:06:45 <lcuk> based on, or will support?
Nov 08 22:06:52 <Stskeeps> sec
Nov 08 22:07:02 <lcuk> cos i thought the platform was based on linux
Nov 08 22:07:21 <Stskeeps> harmattan will support QT afaik
Nov 08 22:07:41 <Stskeeps> heh
Nov 08 22:07:53 <Stskeeps> too much info for that guy..
Nov 08 22:07:54 <lcuk> fale failed
Nov 08 22:08:08 * qwerty12_N800 groans :p
Nov 08 22:11:26 <lcuk> wb fale, you failed
Nov 08 22:12:08 <fale> lcuk: yep, my quassal server failed
Nov 08 22:12:16 <fale> someone have responded to my question while my server was crushed?
Nov 08 22:12:33 <Stskeeps> harmattan will support QT afaik
Nov 08 22:13:32 <fale> Stskeeps: is there a roadmap?
Nov 08 22:14:24 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle
Nov 08 22:15:52 <GAN800> fale, support != will be based on.
Nov 08 22:16:09 <Navi> Ew
Nov 08 22:16:22 <RST38h> remoo
Nov 08 22:17:51 <Stskeeps> moo
Nov 08 22:18:11 <suihkulokki> apt-get moo
Nov 08 22:18:13 <fale> GAN800: it will be a step by step thing?
Nov 08 22:20:06 * fale may have read wrong on wikipedia
Nov 08 22:24:04 <Stskeeps> fale: think it's just providing alternate toolkits that are able to mimic the hildon look
Nov 08 22:24:14 <Stskeeps> and when you have gtk and qt doing that..
Nov 08 22:24:59 <fale> I see
Nov 08 22:25:41 <fale> I dunno why but I was completed sure that maemo would be translated to qt... maybe because nokia bought trolltech?
Nov 08 22:26:31 <Stskeeps> why change something that works? :P
Nov 08 22:26:45 <Stskeeps> when you can have them both co-existing
Nov 08 22:26:46 <RST38h> "The latest big bug discovered in Android has to be one of the craziest that's shipped with a phone. Basically, Android invisibly interprets every word as a command and executes it with "superuser privileges." If you open up your keyboard and type r-e-b-o-o-t, your G1 will, yep, reboot."
Nov 08 22:26:57 <Stskeeps> RST38h: yeah, saw that earlier
Nov 08 22:27:00 <Stskeeps> that is -hillarious-
Nov 08 22:27:07 <RST38h> And we need some rootshell, becomeroot, and other crap
Nov 08 22:27:52 <qwerty12_N800> stupid retards, can't even lock down the device properly
Nov 08 22:27:55 <RST38h> Strike of real goonius!
Nov 08 22:27:57 <Stskeeps> talk about keyboard gestures..
Nov 08 22:28:04 <Stskeeps> "want to reboot your phone? type it!"
Nov 08 22:28:05 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 22:28:17 * RST38h wonders what other interesting things can be typed
Nov 08 22:28:22 <Stskeeps> "telnetd"
Nov 08 22:28:26 <Stskeeps> which was how it was found out.
Nov 08 22:28:38 <fale> Stskeeps: that's true too
Nov 08 22:28:40 <RST38h> "It'll do this with any other command too, so stay away from combinations of rm and rf." <== aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Nov 08 22:28:49 <disco_stu> what is that ?
Nov 08 22:29:10 <Stskeeps> disco_stu: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680
Nov 08 22:30:26 <Stskeeps> fale: the versatile nature of the tablets is what makes it -really- interesting
Nov 08 22:30:35 <Stskeeps> you're not locked down to certain toolkits
Nov 08 22:31:15 <RST38h> "Heres a workaround I just discovered: Open the keyboard and type these 5 keystrokes: <return>-c-a-t-<return>."
Nov 08 22:31:30 <Stskeeps> until you do ctrl-d
Nov 08 22:31:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 22:31:57 <fale> Stskeeps: that's true, but for what I have seen... qt are often more easy to use and manage...than I thought that nokia would pass the main code to it
Nov 08 22:32:27 <Stskeeps> fale: then some things might be used.. think a lot of things are up in the air right now
Nov 08 22:32:42 <GAN800> There's a non-trivial amount of code to port for zero benefit.
Nov 08 22:32:57 <disco_stu> thats if for android..
Nov 08 22:32:59 <Stskeeps> and what GAN said
Nov 08 22:34:48 <fale> someone of you have tried maemo on freerunner?
Nov 08 22:35:00 <Stskeeps> fale: maemo isn't directly easy to port
Nov 08 22:35:12 <fale> why?
Nov 08 22:35:12 <Stskeeps> well, hildon maybe but it's not the same as maemo
Nov 08 22:36:08 <Stskeeps> you want the long technical reason or me telling it's not trivial to get something that feels quite like the tablets? :P
Nov 08 22:36:14 <Stskeeps> and is as well-behaving
Nov 08 22:36:22 <Stskeeps> and supports same apps as the platform
Nov 08 22:36:27 <fale> ah ok, I see
Nov 08 22:36:54 <Stskeeps> but you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed
Nov 08 22:37:45 <Stskeeps> [.. i should really have gotten into advertising instead of computer science. or pushing drugs.]
Nov 08 22:38:59 <fale> Stskeeps: xd
Nov 08 22:39:16 <Stskeeps> that a smiley? :P
Nov 08 22:39:41 <fale> Stskeeps: yep
Nov 08 22:39:49 <fale> Stskeeps: are you a maemo dev?
Nov 08 22:40:48 <Stskeeps> nah. not really. i did deblet (debian for the tablets), i'm just a crazy person who's interested in system architecture and noticed some shortcomings in maemo
Nov 08 22:41:37 <fale> I see
Nov 08 22:41:46 <Stskeeps> and see some potential in the platform
Nov 08 22:42:07 <fale> my question is poiting toward this: how much maemo is free as development?
Nov 08 22:42:57 <Stskeeps> could you rephrase that?
Nov 08 22:45:15 <Stskeeps> if you're asking how much of a firmware image is open source, https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Components_and_packages
Nov 08 22:45:19 <fale> Stskeeps: how much a freelance (not a nokia dev) can do in maemo
Nov 08 22:46:28 <Stskeeps> you can develop quite a bit for the platform, but develop maemo itself is still to be seen, there's some tasks going on regarding that
Nov 08 22:46:40 <fale> I see
Nov 08 22:46:42 <GAN800> Feel free to start patching
Nov 08 22:46:49 <fale> GAN800: xd
Nov 08 22:46:58 <GAN800> Some products are more receptive to patches than others.
Nov 08 22:47:19 <GAN800> Stskeeps, can you hit with the app manager wiki page? :P
Nov 08 22:47:41 <fale> GAN800: nokia how is with patches?
Nov 08 22:48:18 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Open_Source_Proof_Points ?
Nov 08 22:48:27 <Stskeeps> fale: there's a bugtracker and active devs on it
Nov 08 22:48:56 <GAN800> wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager
Nov 08 22:48:58 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 08 22:49:32 <GAN800> the collaborative infrastructure page is probably useful too.
Nov 08 22:52:01 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Collaboration_infrastructure
Nov 08 22:54:50 <fale> thx guys
Nov 08 23:02:14 * GAN800 pokes Stsbot. :p
Nov 08 23:03:20 <Stskeeps> <cursor blinking>
Nov 08 23:03:50 * Stskeeps adds a bit to the collaboration task
Nov 08 23:03:53 <Stskeeps> +talk
Nov 08 23:04:00 <Stskeeps> (Talk:Task:something really looks screwy.)
Nov 08 23:20:52 <zakkm> Hi, i connected to a wifi on my N800 and it connected but nothing internet works
Nov 08 23:20:55 <zakkm> strong signal
Nov 08 23:21:04 <zakkm> ifconfig says 192.168.10.104 i got assigned
Nov 08 23:21:53 <Stskeeps> is there a gateway and is it pingable?
Nov 08 23:22:10 <Stskeeps> (netstat -rn)
Nov 08 23:22:21 <zakkm> bcast( gateway i believe? ) 192.168.10.255
Nov 08 23:22:24 <zakkm> oh wait
Nov 08 23:22:35 <Stskeeps> nah, that's broadcast :P
Nov 08 23:22:53 <zakkm> 192.168.10.1
Nov 08 23:22:58 <Stskeeps> is it pingable?
Nov 08 23:22:59 <zakkm> for gateway
Nov 08 23:23:02 <zakkm> uhh ill try
Nov 08 23:23:06 <zakkm> trying now
Nov 08 23:23:32 <zakkm> yes
Nov 08 23:23:34 <zakkm> its pinging
Nov 08 23:23:42 <zakkm> it used to work like 5 hours ago even ...
Nov 08 23:24:17 <zakkm> no packet loss from pining, round trip min/avg/max = 2.9/19.9/26.4 ms
Nov 08 23:24:55 <Stskeeps> well then it's either a DNS issue or the gw won't let you pass
Nov 08 23:24:56 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 08 23:25:14 <zakkm> i can get into router settings
Nov 08 23:25:18 <zakkm> if i goto the gateway as i site
Nov 08 23:25:25 <zakkm> it works
Nov 08 23:25:41 <zakkm> wait i got disconnected, and now its not a choice -.-
Nov 08 23:26:08 <zakkm> oh nevermind
Nov 08 23:26:09 <zakkm> connected
Nov 08 23:26:17 <zakkm> im in the dynamic DHCP list
Nov 08 23:26:19 <zakkm> in router settings.
Nov 08 23:27:16 <zakkm> Stskeeps: any ideas?
Nov 08 23:28:14 <Stskeeps> ping www.yahoo.com returns what? :P
Nov 08 23:28:40 <zakkm> nothing
Nov 08 23:28:47 <zakkm> it doesnt return anything
Nov 08 23:29:13 <zakkm> in router settings, it doesnt look like anything is blocking my nokia?
Nov 08 23:29:23 <Stskeeps> ping 84.238.11.16?
Nov 08 23:30:04 <zakkm> 56 data bytes
Nov 08 23:30:07 <zakkm> only 1 line
Nov 08 23:30:15 <Stskeeps> mm, then no ip connection through
Nov 08 23:30:20 <Stskeeps> route problem then
Nov 08 23:30:22 <Stskeeps> router
Nov 08 23:30:31 <zakkm> on the nokia though
Nov 08 23:30:35 <zakkm> in router settings, from nokia
Nov 08 23:30:41 <zakkm> it shows i got a ip address
Nov 08 23:30:45 <zakkm> and its the same one from ifconfig
Nov 08 23:31:00 <zakkm> it worked like 5 hours ago, thats what i dont understand
Nov 08 23:31:31 <zakkm> i just got assigned a different ip
Nov 08 23:32:40 <zakkm> Stskeeps: are you saying they're not connected to internet, that its just a router sitting there?
Nov 08 23:32:48 <zakkm> or is it a nokia problem ?
Nov 08 23:32:59 <zakkm> or a router setting i have to change.
Nov 08 23:34:36 <Stskeeps> router problem, you can ping it fine, but no access beyond it
Nov 08 23:34:37 <Stskeeps> brb
Nov 08 23:41:42 <cyrus__> Anyoe here experienced with kernel programming? I have a fairly simple question. In one of my files I have an include statement (#include <asm/arch/dsp.h> and when compiling it says it can't be found. Simple solution should be, well that file doesn't exist.  However, there is another include #include <asm/arch/mmc.h> which doesn't exist either but when compiling it doesn't complain
Nov 08 23:46:37 <woglinde>  cyrus__ you are missing the kernel headers
Nov 09 00:17:37 <lcuk> Stskeeps, still awake?
Nov 09 00:29:01 <lcuk> 5 seconds full frame :) time to optimize needs to be realtime ;) http://liqbase.net/liq.20081109_002443.gary.scr.png
Nov 09 00:29:24 <Stskeeps> *looks*
Nov 09 00:30:01 <Stskeeps> *ponders why his hd is suddenly spinning*
Nov 09 00:30:03 * lcuk is breaking algo down into line spans and making it recursively drop tile sizes and stuff 
Nov 09 00:30:06 <hellwolf> how to let the mediaplayer support mp3
Nov 09 00:30:13 <lcuk> it does doesnt it?
Nov 09 00:31:07 <Stskeeps> lcuk: ah, fractals :)
Nov 09 00:31:23 <Stskeeps> i recall typing in a full commodore 128 program for mandelbrot
Nov 09 00:31:26 <Stskeeps> and let it run over the summer
Nov 09 00:31:31 <Stskeeps> killed the poor machine, too
Nov 09 00:31:52 <lcuk> i did one on my spectrum, in black and white that same image took 23 hours 35 minutes
Nov 09 00:32:13 <lcuk> i marvelled at it and wanted to zoom in but the generation time was way out of reach
Nov 09 00:32:17 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 09 00:32:20 <lcuk> i can do it now in the palm of my hand
Nov 09 00:32:26 <lcuk> :)
Nov 09 00:32:34 <Stskeeps> amazing how things change
Nov 09 00:33:07 <lcuk> yes, im looking at an image of about the same resolution (256*224) rendering 2fps
Nov 09 00:33:17 <lcuk> (the 5seconds was for 800*480)
Nov 09 00:34:07 <lcuk> its going to take cunning to get this working nicely, but i know it can be done: ive seen it done on the amiga
Nov 09 00:34:39 <lcuk> and its something that if we do right will NOT be toppable by the iphone, its down to raw cpu hence its a straight fight
Nov 09 00:45:12 <Stskeeps> http://www.kartoen.be/wp/2008/05/18/the-happysad-guide-to-drinks-for-women/
Nov 09 00:45:14 <Stskeeps> this is so true..
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