**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 10 02:59:57 2008 Nov 10 06:54:51 hi Nov 10 06:55:05 anybody knows what is depmod Nov 10 06:55:09 ? Nov 10 06:56:39 i fail installing kernel-diablo-modules-fbcon because: depmod No such file of directory Nov 10 06:59:45 depmod -- program to generate modules.dep and map files. Nov 10 07:04:45 where can i get it? Nov 10 07:35:27 hi, everybody! Nov 10 07:35:42 Can I play .swf using gstreamer in maemo? Nov 10 07:36:00 Is there a plugin for libswfdec? Nov 10 07:44:13 I'll try GStreamer Bad Plugins 0.10 Nov 10 08:03:54 Hi ! Nov 10 08:36:41 hi Nov 10 08:37:18 Hi ! Nov 10 08:37:22 can anyone tell me Nov 10 08:37:29 me Nov 10 08:37:39 :) Nov 10 08:37:50 i can't edit the application menu Nov 10 08:38:06 to set the program order Nov 10 08:38:32 my .desktop file was destroied Nov 10 08:38:45 ? Nov 10 08:39:03 you don t edit it with navigation control panel ? Nov 10 08:39:42 on thr left the button with boxs. the one that shows all application on my handheld Nov 10 08:40:31 i cant edit it with panels from th control panel Nov 10 08:41:40 yep ? Nov 10 08:41:40 you can t drag application ? Nov 10 08:42:41 strange Nov 10 09:02:42 Morning. Nov 10 09:04:27 Morning Nov 10 09:26:26 Stskeeps: Is there something that automatically installs packages that are listed in your .txt files? Nov 10 10:08:30 Meizirkki: only a long chain of unix commands :P Nov 10 10:08:46 ok Nov 10 10:09:56 morning Nov 10 10:23:54 Any council members about? Nov 10 10:25:00 X-Fade: ping Nov 10 10:25:06 lardman: pong Nov 10 10:25:30 Yesterday squid was "crapping out" on the wiki Nov 10 10:25:49 the General was wondering if squid is necessary for the wiki Nov 10 10:26:14 still doing it for me here anyway: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM Nov 10 10:26:27 No the squid is not needed. It is a side effect of how it was configured for the old situation. Nov 10 10:26:32 useful error message ;) "crap.." Nov 10 10:26:41 The server should be reconfigured. Nov 10 10:26:46 ah fair enough, just thought I'd mention it Nov 10 10:27:21 It is already on the agenda. Nov 10 10:27:29 cool Nov 10 10:27:33 So I hope it will be done soon ;) Nov 10 10:46:31 make Nov 10 10:46:39 damnit, wrong window =) Nov 10 10:46:54 this isn't an android phone, you know Nov 10 10:46:54 :P Nov 10 10:57:20 * Stskeeps waits for libosso-gnomevfs2 to compile. Nov 10 11:06:53 eep, opp, orp Nov 10 11:08:54 hmmmmmmmmmmm aaaggggaaaaiiiinnn sooooo laaagggggeeddddd? Nov 10 11:10:32 heh, poor pupnik810. at my dorm network we are capable of having 100mbit/s between each residence, but the provider has limited it to 200kb/s for dubious reasons Nov 10 11:10:35 fuckers Nov 10 11:10:37 :P Nov 10 11:11:13 49 second ping Nov 10 11:11:51 neat :P Nov 10 12:17:55 hi, does anybody know if eclipse Europa is capable of updating the makefiles and the other build-related stuff when you add a class to a maemo project ? Nov 10 12:22:14 does anyone actually have an n95/n81 that they could do some GPS comparisons with? Nov 10 12:22:25 you'll need an n810 too Nov 10 12:22:49 or would Nokia like to lend me one to do some testing with? Nov 10 12:28:45 lardman: What do you want to test? Nov 10 12:33:06 gps chipset performance Nov 10 12:33:42 Ah, to get a baseline.. Nov 10 12:33:48 yep Nov 10 12:33:57 But you would be testing antenna performance, probably.. Nov 10 12:34:07 yes pretty much Nov 10 12:34:17 and I'd like to grab agps data and rule that out too Nov 10 12:34:26 just to finally lay this to rest Nov 10 12:37:32 Any idea how you would capture the data from the phone? Nov 10 12:37:55 yeah, I've dug out a couple of apps Nov 10 12:38:35 in the bug iirc, let me find the post # Nov 10 12:39:17 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878#c83 Nov 10 12:41:46 hola Nov 10 12:57:18 does anyone know how to make a new project for maemo with auto-managed makefile in eclipse? so that any new class source files added will be taken into account and will be present in the makefile ? Nov 10 12:58:39 no Nov 10 12:59:49 or put in another way.. if I make a maemo template with eclipse, how can I add a new class in such a way that when I compile things it will be taken into account? Nov 10 13:00:49 Hi guys, I have two issues: First, Maemopad+ suddenly comes up blank - all my data is gone even though it was saved. What is the default location foe maemopad's data, and does anyone have suggestions for possible recovery of the data? Second, my internal speakers are no longer functioning. It's as if the device has muted them because it thinks there are headphones plugged in the speakers work intermittently if I put headphones Nov 10 13:00:49 slightly into the jack. Nov 10 13:00:51 notcoolbuthot: Did you look at Pluthon? http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 10 13:02:14 The possible recovery of the data is the more important issue at the moment. Nov 10 13:03:05 notcoolbuthot: Or esxbox if you use C/C++? http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 10 13:03:39 s/esxbox/esbox/ Nov 10 13:03:39 X-Fade meant: notcoolbuthot: Or esbox if you use C/C++? http://esbox.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 10 13:08:37 X-Fade: I am using ESBox plugin and I can run templates both on the emulator and on the device via SSH, I also make modifications to the templates and they work, but what I am interested in is how can I add a class to one of those templates, or to the maemo empty project, in such way that before running it I won't have to manualy change the Makefile or autogen or config or that building stuff Nov 10 13:09:35 notcoolbuthot: I haven't used eclipse myself, but can't you add your files to the project, so it will include them automatically? Nov 10 13:10:19 no, when I add the files it doesn't automaticaly generate new building files, and the compiler does not take them into account Nov 10 13:10:21 :( Nov 10 13:11:15 There must be an option to regenerate those files. I really can't imagine that you have to manually hack on your makefile and autotools files. Nov 10 13:13:33 cars__: somewhere in /home/user definately.. Nov 10 13:24:41 mental note: bacon ribs are not bacon, they are like beggin strips Nov 10 13:28:45 thanks Stskeeps. Nov 10 13:30:35 You are doing great work with maemo-recontrtucted :) Nov 10 13:31:08 Are you going to add compiled packages to m-r repository soon? Nov 10 13:31:58 eventually when i get bored enough to tinker with rerepro Nov 10 13:34:43 just really looking forward to getting hildon going on it Nov 10 13:34:47 so we can show off some things Nov 10 13:35:18 ok' Nov 10 13:37:32 I lied when i said that i will keep my roofs small ;) Nov 10 13:38:02 i tried to get ubuntu mobile going with the new kourou Nov 10 13:38:19 hehe Nov 10 13:38:28 it's fine, that's my job to see if we can squeeze it Nov 10 13:38:35 you have some u-m packages at packages.tspre.org... Nov 10 13:38:50 i tried to install these, but still missing some depends Nov 10 13:38:52 yeah, built some of them for deblet at one point Nov 10 13:38:57 i don't expect u-m to fit in 250mb flash :P Nov 10 13:39:17 I don't think it is -that- big... Nov 10 13:39:38 we'll see, i guess Nov 10 13:39:52 okay Nov 10 13:40:03 why on fucking earth does hildon-thumbnail require -vala- to combine? Nov 10 13:40:20 don't know... ;) Nov 10 13:40:21 i mean, come on Nov 10 13:41:09 okay, even if ubuntu-mobile fits in flash, there will be no space to install anything else... Nov 10 13:41:18 hehe, yeah Nov 10 13:41:33 but being able to install U-M interface when cloned to SD is okay Nov 10 13:41:43 is there ubuntu for tablets too? Nov 10 13:42:01 it does not work 100% Nov 10 13:42:49 I'll try if i can get flash working... then mobile-basic-flash... Nov 10 13:43:07 kourou has too much missing depends... Nov 10 13:44:03 *nod* Nov 10 13:44:37 deblet and maemo only working distros? Nov 10 13:45:37 nah Nov 10 13:45:55 deblet, maemo, mamona, .. slackware i think someone did too, .. Nov 10 13:46:08 cool Nov 10 13:46:54 and we're working on a experimental maemo, where it's designed to be a future version of maemo :P Nov 10 13:46:59 (non-nokia people) Nov 10 13:49:40 (earthlings) Nov 10 13:50:28 Stskeeps, how did the lecture go Nov 10 13:51:59 lcuk: kid next door ran around, jumping, screaming until 3-4am last night Nov 10 13:52:14 what were you doing next door till that later? Nov 10 13:52:17 :P Nov 10 13:52:21 late ^ Nov 10 13:52:38 well i could obviously hear the kid through the walls and floor .. :P Nov 10 13:52:50 and i hadn't made myself a proper dinner so i was hungry => totally dead in the morning :P Nov 10 13:53:00 so taking a sick day off Nov 10 13:53:08 i suppose the dog ate your homework as well :P Nov 10 13:53:29 didn't have any to hand in Nov 10 13:53:51 heh, im only yanking your chain Nov 10 13:53:58 have you won any battles this morning then Nov 10 13:54:13 in soviet it industry, homework eats your dog Nov 10 13:54:18 ie managed to fit bootable maemo onto a floppy? Nov 10 13:54:30 hehe. maybe a 120mb floppy Nov 10 13:54:34 no, just compiling packages today Nov 10 13:54:56 hey ho Nov 10 13:54:58 its a start, "please insert disk #98 to ocntinue installation" Nov 10 13:55:08 hiya dave Nov 10 13:55:32 crapola, back later Nov 10 14:01:50 i lost all window decorations on my interpid computer Nov 10 14:01:54 weird Nov 10 14:15:22 what the hell? Nov 10 14:15:34 rm: No not found Nov 10 14:15:41 *not found Nov 10 14:16:16 you're having about as good a day as me it seems Nov 10 14:16:22 /bin/sh: not found Nov 10 14:16:25 * GAN800 pulls his hair out over 3844 and 3845 Nov 10 14:16:38 What the hell in qgil thinking? Nov 10 14:16:43 s/in/is/ Nov 10 14:16:44 GAN800 meant: What the hell is qgil thinking? Nov 10 14:17:07 Meizirkki: your ld.so maybe? Nov 10 14:17:17 it looks like i just destroyed my ubuntu Nov 10 14:17:32 there is no /bin/sh ! Nov 10 14:17:47 Can somebody maybe put together some patches for it at least? Nov 10 14:18:17 Meizirkki: desktop one? Nov 10 14:18:22 no, tablet Nov 10 14:18:25 ah Nov 10 14:18:28 happens Nov 10 14:18:28 :P Nov 10 14:18:32 GAN800: In the end it is Marius' call. And he doesn't seem unreasonable or unwilling to me ;) Nov 10 14:18:49 okay, i'm gonna start all over again ;) Nov 10 14:19:15 k Nov 10 14:19:20 what'd you do that caused it? Nov 10 14:19:34 i don't know Nov 10 14:19:36 wait Nov 10 14:19:44 therer IS /bin/sh Nov 10 14:19:55 chroot says not found Nov 10 14:20:55 Meizirkki: you're missing a dynamic library Nov 10 14:20:58 or the linker Nov 10 14:21:01 in your chroot Nov 10 14:21:15 ok Nov 10 14:21:19 rebooting Nov 10 14:21:28 that's not going to fix anything Nov 10 14:21:40 it might fix Nov 10 14:22:25 you don't know what have i done to my tablet ;) Nov 10 14:23:21 okay it did not fix... Nov 10 14:23:38 of course not. Nov 10 14:23:52 it worked fine about minute ago Nov 10 14:24:03 What should i do? Nov 10 14:24:27 :) Nov 10 14:24:29 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list /bin/sh Nov 10 14:25:40 in maemo? Nov 10 14:25:47 or via telnet? Nov 10 14:26:00 in maemo: here: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: Not found Nov 10 14:26:15 chroot /path /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list /bin/sh Nov 10 14:26:21 Meizirkki, try .3 Nov 10 14:26:45 Meizirkki, if everything else fails Nov 10 14:27:19 wait... Nov 10 14:28:10 Meizirkki: atleast you didn't come close to maiming your maemo install like i did the other day :P Nov 10 14:28:33 #/home/user # /lib/ld-linux.so.3 --list /bin/sh Nov 10 14:28:41 s*** Nov 10 14:28:48 paste problem again Nov 10 14:29:02 The website? Nov 10 14:29:20 where i can paste? Nov 10 14:29:46 ~pastebin Nov 10 14:29:46 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Nov 10 14:29:55 that what you're after? Nov 10 14:30:07 yep, thanks Nov 10 14:30:10 np Nov 10 14:30:19 GAN800: doh Nov 10 14:31:18 http://pastebin.com/d5bb94a6b Nov 10 14:32:01 what Stskeeps said. that's not from the chroot, is it? Nov 10 14:33:06 Meizirkki: chroot /path /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list /bin/sh Nov 10 14:33:10 sec Nov 10 14:33:31 http://pastebin.com/d2ec0ffb6 Nov 10 14:33:51 any other ld-linux files there? Nov 10 14:34:07 if not, that's why your sys doesn't work :P Nov 10 14:34:59 http://pastebin.com/d46f2be98 Nov 10 14:35:07 there is no files... Nov 10 14:35:34 in /lib? Nov 10 14:35:55 well, that's why your sys doesn't work, time to start over :P Nov 10 14:36:02 maemos /lib or m-r:s /lib? Nov 10 14:36:13 yep Nov 10 14:36:20 m-r's :P Nov 10 14:37:23 i have been starting over about 10 times, but that does not matter, because i have nothing very important going on and thins is bun anyway ;) Nov 10 14:37:35 *fun Nov 10 14:40:01 * Stskeeps is (thank god) getting closer to being able to build hildon-desktop Nov 10 14:40:47 looking forward to test it :) Nov 10 15:11:16 * Stskeeps admits to himself he has -no- clue how maemo's l10n packages are structured. Nov 10 15:14:11 ah. there. Nov 10 15:14:55 it's not really as complicated as it seems Nov 10 15:15:13 yeah, i got confused by the -public source packages and the ones in trunk Nov 10 15:54:51 hi, everyone! Nov 10 15:55:20 hi. Nov 10 15:55:55 When I build swfdec-0.8.2 in scratchbox, I met: -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so -pthread Nov 10 15:55:55 //usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `hildon_g_scanner_cache_open' Nov 10 15:56:23 Could anyone give a help? Nov 10 15:57:26 You didn't get the Debian forwarding thing either, eh, andre__? Nov 10 15:57:59 In order to install swfdec, I have to download, configure, build and install so many package, and used a whole night. Nov 10 15:58:38 camel_liu, most probably some -L or -I option lacking Nov 10 15:58:46 pkg-config should help you Nov 10 15:58:46 Hi all Nov 10 15:59:00 hildon_g_scanner_cache_open is obviously relative to maemo. Nov 10 15:59:02 Hi Nov 10 15:59:10 hi all Nov 10 15:59:39 Hrm, I wonder who thumbed my categories post. Nov 10 16:00:14 melmoth, What should I do? Nov 10 16:00:41 try to find wich package define hildon_g_scanner_cache_open . Nov 10 16:01:05 find wich file in /usr/include defines it, and try to match it with an entry in "pkg-config --list-all" Nov 10 16:01:23 Is it *strictly* required to call osso_deinitialize? Nov 10 16:01:36 GAN800, what debian thing? Nov 10 16:01:45 osso_initialize is a must, I know but I'm lazy. Nov 10 16:01:47 probably not :) Nov 10 16:01:50 Stskeeps: Can i try the Xomap package in m-r repo? Nov 10 16:02:01 or is it sure that it won't work? Nov 10 16:02:05 andre__, Heh, thanks. I'm guessing if it quits, it quits :P :) Nov 10 16:02:20 andre__, foo's post on your blog. Nov 10 16:02:53 camel_liu, then add the missing package in your gcc line with `pkg-config --cflags pkgname --libs pkgname` Nov 10 16:03:07 melmoth, I'm new in linux. There're many files, how to find a file defined that? Nov 10 16:03:32 grep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr Nov 10 16:03:38 should do the trick Nov 10 16:03:44 Meizirkki: should work Nov 10 16:03:57 maye be evene better to try grep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr |grep define Nov 10 16:04:01 GAN800, ah. no clue. people should use real email addresses so i can follow up. if it's just a debian fanboy it's sth to ignore, if he's a bit involved it could be interesting to continue discussing Nov 10 16:04:02 I'm trying Nov 10 16:04:06 Meizirkki: the deblet one is the same Nov 10 16:04:14 ok Nov 10 16:04:48 andre__, I was having trouble imagining exactly what would be forwarded Nov 10 16:04:58 same here Nov 10 16:05:24 Maybe if Maemo "R" goes through for Fremantle or later and we're actually somewhat aligned with upstream. . . . Nov 10 16:05:42 -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so -pthread //usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `hildon_g_scanner_cache_open' Nov 10 16:06:08 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Nov 10 16:06:08 make[2]: *** [swfplay] Error 1 Nov 10 16:06:35 GAN800: so far it seems like maemo is more aligned than i thought Nov 10 16:06:47 people just have the wrong view Nov 10 16:07:50 Stskeeps, perception not meeting reality? Interesting. ;) Nov 10 16:08:06 and it really depends what people want Nov 10 16:08:28 should maemo surrender and merge to be a part of debian? because that's a uphill battle cos debian doesn't target mobile devices as such Nov 10 16:08:33 people want free cake and eat it Nov 10 16:09:02 and some of the abilities of maemo are difficult to merge with traditional desktop systems without breaking everything else Nov 10 16:09:11 and ending with a sub-optimal result Nov 10 16:10:00 melmoth, it returns many lines ending with 'No such file or directory' Nov 10 16:10:10 Stskeeps: the only big non-alignement as far as I see is gtk Nov 10 16:10:24 and the last line is 'grep: warning: /usr/X11R6/bin/X11: recursive directory loop' Nov 10 16:10:45 with QT things should be merrier (as trolls actually understand why binary compatablity is important) Nov 10 16:10:47 suihkulokki: i think it's minimal things when it comes to it, - i did the experiment of running maemo-gtk in LXDE Nov 10 16:10:54 it didn't burn -that- badly Nov 10 16:11:36 and part of the R thing we're doing atm is to find the places where maemo gtk makes interoperability impossible Nov 10 16:11:56 Hmm, in that direction things would indeed be easier to work Nov 10 16:12:03 i think having a community-controlled distribution will really satisfy most people Nov 10 16:12:10 Stskeeps, I'm taking away your hyphen privileges. :P Nov 10 16:12:11 running maemo-gtk apps on top of stock gtk is more painfull Nov 10 16:12:16 'grep -r hildon_g_scanner_cache_open /usr' returns some matches: libglib-2.0.so.0.1200.12, libgtk-x11-2.0.so Nov 10 16:12:30 No more ', - ' :p Nov 10 16:12:30 yeah, and again, why should you run hildonized apps on gtk? Nov 10 16:12:48 hildonized apps are for mobile devices, not desktops :) Nov 10 16:13:09 camel_liu, are you compiling something you wrote, something somebody else wrote ? did he create a makefile ? Nov 10 16:13:25 melmoth, I think libglib and libgtk-x11 are the reason Nov 10 16:13:32 if you wrote things, find where the symbol comes from and use pkg-config to add the correct I and L option to the gcc command Nov 10 16:13:40 of cause Nov 10 16:13:59 I built many packages from source tonight Nov 10 16:14:15 begin from glib Nov 10 16:14:41 hmm. You should have glib and glib-devel in your scratchbox by default Nov 10 16:15:33 libsoup, pixman, cairo and then swfdec Nov 10 16:16:07 M-R guys: I am reading a pdf from mojo site and there was speed test between armv5 and armv6 Nov 10 16:16:14 url? Nov 10 16:16:17 Tested on a TI BeagleBoard, we saw a 15-20% speedup Nov 10 16:16:17 from the Hasty ARMv5EL distribution to the Hasty ARMv6EL+VFP Nov 10 16:16:30 mojo.handhelds.org Nov 10 16:16:35 yeah, but more exact? :P Nov 10 16:16:37 it is on the home page Nov 10 16:16:50 camel_liu, i think there is no need to recompile libsoup nor cairo as there are already available too Nov 10 16:17:02 I have just install glib-2.18.2 from source in scratchbox Nov 10 16:17:05 at least in extras, maybe cairo is in the regular repository Nov 10 16:17:21 Stskeeps: http://mojo.handhelds.org/files/HandheldsMojo_CELF2008.pdf Nov 10 16:17:30 ta Nov 10 16:17:38 camel_liu, why ? Nov 10 16:17:40 but newest swfdec require new version of them. Nov 10 16:17:56 camel_liu, use the one available in the repos, Nov 10 16:18:19 all the binary are build on top of them. yuou change the glib binary you use, you take the risj of breaking everything that use it. Nov 10 16:18:21 i cannot find swfdec from repo! Nov 10 16:18:27 wich is, mainly eveything in maemo Nov 10 16:19:07 well, then try to port it and have it compile againts the glib version diablo use Nov 10 16:19:38 how can I fix my glib then? Nov 10 16:20:04 reinstall scratchbox ? Nov 10 16:20:12 ah? Nov 10 16:20:30 GAN800: i honestly think people just want to have maemo platform so they can use it in their distros, be more popular in the huge exploding market, using to their advantage etc.. Nov 10 16:20:44 reinstall scratchbox and maemo SDK again? Nov 10 16:20:58 From the mojo PDF: Considering building Debian Nov 10 16:21:05 in future work Nov 10 16:21:05 sounds good Nov 10 16:21:10 better not be 'arm' platform name. Nov 10 16:21:15 yep Nov 10 16:21:34 may be just reinstalling the sdk would be enough. I do not know to be honest. I use scratchbox in a virtual machine, so when i break it, in resintall everything Nov 10 16:21:40 just to be sure . Nov 10 16:22:00 GAN800: whereas a open platform like maemo that is easy to understand and move to other devices etc will do the trick instead.. why align to distros? its the individual packages that should get packages :P Nov 10 16:22:05 er Nov 10 16:22:06 patches Nov 10 16:22:12 Stskeeps: maybe we should spam their mail-list with messages asking about arch-naming? ;P Nov 10 16:22:54 melmoth, is not the problem of libglib and libgtk-x11? Nov 10 16:23:18 Meizirkki: nah, better not bite the hand that feeds.. Nov 10 16:23:29 :) Nov 10 16:23:40 camel_liu: did you per chance recompile gtk too? Nov 10 16:23:52 no, just glib Nov 10 16:24:33 camel_liu, chances are this symbol is specific to the maemo glibc https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/glib/glib/gscanner.h Nov 10 16:24:39 can I unintsall glib and reinstall it fromn repo? Nov 10 16:24:49 you can try Nov 10 16:25:09 s/maemo glibc/maemo glib/ Nov 10 16:25:28 ?? Nov 10 16:26:10 was there not a bot suppose to tell what i meant when using s/// ? Nov 10 16:26:24 infobot, yeah Nov 10 16:26:25 rumour has it, yeah is YEAH Nov 10 16:26:34 yes Nov 10 16:27:00 I meant glib not glibc in my previous sentence. That was what was meant with the s/maemo glibc/maemo glib/ Nov 10 16:27:20 melmoth, it only corrects the last sentence you did Nov 10 16:27:21 oh Nov 10 16:27:28 may the flea of a thousand camel infest your most intimate region oh infobot for having missed my s/// ! Nov 10 16:28:27 ~curse overly long Makefile.in & Makefile.am files Nov 10 16:28:28 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, overly long Makefile.in & Makefile.am files ! Nov 10 16:30:05 I want to play .swf in my program using gstreamer, gst-plugins-bad and swfdec. Nov 10 16:31:31 melmoth, but I cannot find gst-plugins-bad and swfdec from maemo repo. Nov 10 16:32:18 most probably this is because of the nature of the bad plugings themsefl. Are there not the proprietary one ? Nov 10 16:32:49 yes, .swf is non-free Nov 10 16:32:50 or are those the ulgy one ? Nov 10 16:33:28 http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-plugins-bad.html looks like proprietary are the ugly ones Nov 10 16:33:53 http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-plugins-ugly.html Nov 10 16:34:26 I download gst-plugins-bad from there Nov 10 16:34:33 ok. Nov 10 16:34:51 I m just wondering. Is not uktube using gstreamer to display youtube video ? Nov 10 16:34:58 but first I have to install swfdec, the plugin needs it Nov 10 16:35:06 I m not sure, but if this is the case, you may want to look at how it does. Nov 10 16:35:25 if it s using gstreamer, it will be the most easy way to get inspired. Nov 10 16:35:39 mplayer is using gstreamer Nov 10 16:35:51 otherwise, you will have to recompile the plugin coming from free desktop, but, against the library avaialble in scatchbox, wich may be ...tricky Nov 10 16:40:58 Stskeeps: i am going to give one more try for ubuntu-mobile. Is there any results of working flash with deblet-flashplayer? Nov 10 16:41:19 haven't worked on it and talking a bit to my finnish ex atm, so im a bit occupied =P Nov 10 16:42:19 :) Nov 10 17:07:25 lo johnx Nov 10 17:08:02 hi Nov 10 17:08:15 * johnx gets on jaiku Nov 10 17:09:25 hildon-thumbnail certainly has interesting depends, huh? Nov 10 17:11:09 i'm at osso-gwconnect now and pondering why version 3.29 of libbluetooth-dev doesn't satisfy > 3.2 Nov 10 17:12:34 I'll take a look Nov 10 17:13:35 think it's just to remove the >= really. Nov 10 17:13:36 :P Nov 10 17:15:00 Hi! I'm wondering why in Deblet using the latest omap git tree kernel \ Nov 10 17:15:28 using ext2 as the rootfs any operation end in something like 'Stale NFS file handler' Nov 10 17:15:32 any ideas? Nov 10 17:15:51 this on tablet? Nov 10 17:16:05 yes Nov 10 17:16:40 i have no idea really - didn't try with any other kernel than diablo Nov 10 17:16:53 or how tablet acts without dsme and friends Nov 10 17:17:20 but I try with ext3 and everything works fine except that it reboots Nov 10 17:17:27 really weird Nov 10 17:17:39 disabled lifeguard and watchdog Nov 10 17:17:40 ? Nov 10 17:18:08 yes I disabled all the 2 watchdogs and the lifeguard and same thing Nov 10 17:18:14 k Nov 10 17:18:42 other good thing is that the new stlc45xx is working for me in Diablo but not in Deblet Nov 10 17:19:09 I presume Deblet runs all the dsme stuff right? Nov 10 17:19:26 solca: you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , we have a jaiku channel for making a proof of concept for it at http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC (if you need a jaiku invite say) Nov 10 17:19:30 deblet gets dsme from initfs Nov 10 17:19:41 as deblet is a bit of a dead end regarding power consumption right now Nov 10 17:20:06 is your kernel using initfs or is it mounting the rootfs directly? Nov 10 17:20:23 johnx: is mounting mmcblk0p2 directly Nov 10 17:21:50 hey Meizirkki_n810 :) Nov 10 17:22:06 hi Nov 10 17:22:25 Stskeeps: will take a look at that sites Nov 10 17:22:47 and skills like yours could definately come in handy Nov 10 17:24:44 Stskeeps: sure, just that I'm new to the tablets Nov 10 17:25:00 * Mousey huggles his n810 Nov 10 17:25:03 but I want to help in anything I can Nov 10 17:25:14 * Mousey huggles solca Nov 10 17:25:35 Mousey, Get a room! :P Nov 10 17:25:42 * Mousey huggles qwerty12 Nov 10 17:25:45 ^___^ Nov 10 17:25:50 :P Nov 10 17:26:40 johnx: i had no idea nokia's send by bluetooth/turn on off etc was open sourced :P Nov 10 17:26:52 (osso-gwconnect) Nov 10 17:27:20 I think I knew that osso-gwconnect was open sourced, but I don't think I ever looked what it did Nov 10 17:27:58 it's stuff like sdp queries etc, dbus, etc Nov 10 17:28:47 one newbie question: what are the differences between the retu and omap watchdogs and why 2 watchdogs? Nov 10 17:30:54 good question Nov 10 17:31:57 historic reasons Nov 10 17:32:45 suihkulokki: please elaborate... :) Nov 10 17:32:48 If mojo project starts to compile debian, it propably will carry arm architecture, but if mojo:s projects grow a lot, people will start to compile everything with arm name :) Nov 10 17:33:29 I hope if mojo starts compiling debian they use armel Nov 10 17:33:30 Meizirkki: better be armel or they will be having a fatwa from debian.. Nov 10 17:33:30 :P Nov 10 17:33:54 .) Nov 10 17:33:59 whops Nov 10 17:34:01 :) Nov 10 17:34:12 besides, the official ubuntu arm port will use armel as well, afaik Nov 10 17:34:56 Stskeeps, what did you end up doing about osso-gnome-vfs using deprecated glib functions? Nov 10 17:35:12 is there any information yet about the offical ubuntu arm port? Nov 10 17:36:17 Meizirkki_n810: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ARM-EL-port Nov 10 17:37:05 thanks Nov 10 17:37:08 solca, it seems (from a couple mailing lists) that retu watchdog was just used differently in the past Nov 10 17:37:31 but, IIRC, in later kernels it behaves like a normal watchdog Nov 10 17:38:07 johnx: could that be the problem that I get latest kernel rebooting, that I need a normal watchdog daemon to keep it happy? Nov 10 17:38:48 how maemo and deblet keep the watchdogs happy in the maemo 2.6.21 kernel? Nov 10 17:39:07 dsme Nov 10 17:39:19 deblet and maemo both run a lot of things from initfs before actually getting control Nov 10 17:40:35 I'm confused by the dsme stuff, what I know is that there exists a config partition Nov 10 17:40:52 where things like R&D variables are stored Nov 10 17:41:12 but if you enable let's say the no-retu-wd flag Nov 10 17:41:37 solca: you can remove retu and omap-wd support from kernel and neither should bother you Nov 10 17:41:43 somebody has to poll that variable and don't activate the watchdog, right? Nov 10 17:41:54 johnx: G_GNUC_FUNCTION -> G_STRFUNC Nov 10 17:42:08 was the change that small? Nov 10 17:42:08 solca, like lardman says, dsme Nov 10 17:42:14 solca: someone said the rebooting on newer kernel is due to overheating (or something thinking it's overheating) Nov 10 17:42:26 johnx: yeah, in two files Nov 10 17:42:44 heh, ok. I won't bother with a glib rebuild then :) Nov 10 17:43:17 suihkulokki: great info! I'll disable the watchdogs Nov 10 17:43:43 suihkulokki: one more thing, doest maemo uses the normal cpufreq stuff or its own Nov 10 17:43:49 to keep cool the cpu? Nov 10 17:44:58 the n800_defconfig has the CPUFREQ stuff disabled Nov 10 17:45:13 but if I remember correctly the maemo kernel have it enabled Nov 10 17:45:17 solca: that's probably better asked on linux-omap mailing list Nov 10 17:45:30 suihkulokki: ok thanks Nov 10 17:45:35 well, (again, IIRC) there are two things at work: cpufreq and support for dvfs Nov 10 17:45:41 in maemo, that is Nov 10 17:46:07 even if you disable cpufreq the CPU will still idle when it doesn't have any work to do Nov 10 17:46:48 but, all it takes is some small loop running to keep the CPU from idling Nov 10 17:46:55 Wow, Tim got laid off too. Nov 10 17:47:15 johnx: AFAIK cpufreq will reduce the speed of the processor and a kernel with NOHZ will sit idle until a timer expires or an interrupt Nov 10 17:47:53 johnx: who is working in cpufreq, so I presume the cpufreq in maemo kernel is not the standard in Linux? Nov 10 17:48:19 GAN800: where was he at? Nov 10 17:48:29 solca, that's more than I know Nov 10 17:48:53 Stskeeps, not sure, but not Nokia anyway Nov 10 17:49:21 johnx: ok thanks! I'll keep investigating... Nov 10 17:49:54 * Stskeeps gets going on hildonfm Nov 10 17:50:20 GAN800: bad news Nov 10 17:50:21 * Meizirkki_n810 is installing ubuntu-mobile (again) Nov 10 17:50:39 * lardman goes back to debugging bloody Windows applications Nov 10 17:53:18 suihkulokki: video-omapfb crashed on my real n800 too btw Nov 10 18:00:07 Noo, it is storm here >:( Nov 10 18:01:25 "implements its power management by passing tokenised dead mice through a wormhole" Nov 10 18:01:28 best quote ever Nov 10 18:01:43 :) Nov 10 18:06:01 i have installed both xserver-xomap from deblet repo and xserver-xorg-video-omapfb from m-r repo Nov 10 18:07:27 is there something else that needs to be installed for working X? Nov 10 18:08:49 ah, xserver-xomap ought to be enough Nov 10 18:10:13 ok Nov 10 18:10:21 refer to Xomap, not X, when running X Nov 10 18:11:23 what does the package tablet-hw-su-18-nonfree contain? Nov 10 18:11:45 something that constructs a local repository and fetches some hardware-specific packages from nokia for it Nov 10 18:12:27 sh** i accidentally kicked my computer :( Nov 10 18:12:49 Meizirkki_n810, You do that by accident? :P Nov 10 18:13:35 i accidentally kicked the table, that my computer is on Nov 10 18:14:05 Now it does not boot up :( Nov 10 18:15:07 deblet/m-r victim count: electrocuted 770, dead sd cards, and now a computer Nov 10 18:15:50 Stskeeps: what is difference between tablet-hw-su-18-nonfree and tablet-hw-support-n8x0-nonfree Nov 10 18:15:52 GAN800, :O @ news Nov 10 18:15:59 Stskeeps: are you missing /dev/fb ? Nov 10 18:16:14 suihkulokki: think i have it since i have fbcon.. Nov 10 18:16:30 Meizirkki_n810: one of them is a virtual package Nov 10 18:16:33 oh Nov 10 18:16:34 no Nov 10 18:16:39 one is for 770, one is for n8x0 Nov 10 18:16:44 ok Nov 10 18:17:00 Stskeeps: on my default deblet there was only /dev/fb0 Nov 10 18:17:15 so i will use n8x0. :) Nov 10 18:17:17 added a symlink and it started working Nov 10 18:17:24 and it needs all three? k Nov 10 18:17:31 i'll boot into it later Nov 10 18:17:44 Whew, my computer finally boots up... :) Nov 10 18:18:06 fb -> fb0 syml Nov 10 18:18:11 ah Nov 10 18:18:24 thought udev takes care of that Nov 10 18:19:01 yes, it should probably be fixed in udev Nov 10 18:19:48 Stskeeps: maemo R POC is in simple terms a maemo refactored to behave more like a normal Linux distro? \ Nov 10 18:20:00 or refactoring + reimplementation for the closed source bits? Nov 10 18:20:53 solca: somewhat, but also trying to seperate the nokia from the maemo somewhat Nov 10 18:20:58 and have some new sdk ways Nov 10 18:21:30 it will also show that what nokia actually does open source, is quite a lot Nov 10 18:21:53 and to see if maemo really can be as easy to port for as to just hildonizing and recompiling Nov 10 18:22:14 Stskeeps: but I though it was already separated via packages Nov 10 18:22:33 not that well really Nov 10 18:22:54 but we'll see Nov 10 18:23:03 in any case, we end up with an interesting alternative to current maemo state Nov 10 18:23:20 and what is the current status? Nov 10 18:23:45 bootable image that fits in 113mb flash, with full gnu tools, x libs, .. sec Nov 10 18:24:35 "Today's flash count: 116m flash, 276.4m uncompressed, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/116mb.txt - now with Maemo GTK, Libhildon, Maemo-DBus. " Nov 10 18:24:47 and not stripped down that much Nov 10 18:24:55 (look at package list) Nov 10 18:25:14 hey, is there a way to manually update wayfinder mapper? Nov 10 18:25:23 update maps I mean.. Nov 10 18:25:34 Stskeeps: and does it requires the diablo kernel + initfs or it ships with it's own stuff? Nov 10 18:25:44 I downloaded the mapdata directory, I just don't know the UID Nov 10 18:25:56 solca: right not it uses diablo kernel and initfs Nov 10 18:26:04 as we're trying to get a hildon + maemo gtk and such running Nov 10 18:26:09 not=now Nov 10 18:26:11 anyone here have wayfinder gps? Nov 10 18:26:29 rest of it we're not doing, but if you have a curiousity in that area, you're welcome :) Nov 10 18:26:36 doing right now that is Nov 10 18:26:59 I have wayfinder gps but i have never used it... Nov 10 18:28:06 Stskeeps: another thing, are you using the same toolchain and libc or differents? Nov 10 18:28:28 * solca better checks the package list :) Nov 10 18:28:40 we're basing off mojo handhelds Nov 10 18:28:41 Sargun_Screen: http://www.internettablettalk.com/search/results.html?cx=partner-pub-1540416982644573%3As1i8nedfnqe&cof=FORID%3A9&q=wayfinder+maps+manual&sa=Go#1352 Nov 10 18:28:49 so for cross compilation codesourcery 2008q3 Nov 10 18:31:01 Stskeeps: so it is mojo plus the maemo packages? Nov 10 18:32:01 Stskeeps, well, xorg omap works fine with the link here :) Nov 10 18:32:48 solca: brb phone Nov 10 18:36:18 hmm, mojo have armv6el-vfp packages Nov 10 18:37:55 i am using armv6 release Nov 10 18:38:19 Meizirkki: do you compile it yourself? Nov 10 18:38:30 no Nov 10 18:38:38 because mojo just have v6el Nov 10 18:38:47 i meant armv6el Nov 10 18:39:13 good! any speed boost? Nov 10 18:39:45 Tested with Beagle Board: armv6el-vfp was 15-20% faster than armv5el Nov 10 18:40:44 i read it from mojos pdf Nov 10 18:40:44 wow, if I remember correctly the beagleboard is >v6 right? Nov 10 18:41:00 i think so... Nov 10 18:41:23 v7 Nov 10 18:41:38 thanks Nov 10 18:41:45 Meizirkki: but you are running in a blagle or in a nit? Nov 10 18:41:55 nit Nov 10 18:41:57 n810 Nov 10 18:42:06 i read it from mojo pdf Nov 10 18:42:15 the speed test Nov 10 18:42:46 mojos interpid release "icy" is going to have armv7 port too Nov 10 18:43:14 ok, now I'm wondering the difference in speed for the nits Nov 10 18:43:25 we'll see... Nov 10 18:43:52 so you are running the maemo R? Nov 10 18:44:01 kinda... Nov 10 18:44:54 I am running the same thing but i have not installed all the new packages compiled by Stskeep and johnx Nov 10 18:46:28 from the list that Stskeeps posts, almost all base packages are from maemor R :) Nov 10 18:47:12 :) Nov 10 18:49:49 Stskeeps & johnx: I finally get it (or I thinkso)! you are basing it on mojo and creating all base + maemo packages Nov 10 18:49:55 and fixing all build problems Nov 10 18:50:03 exactly :) Nov 10 18:50:15 plus "integration" problems Nov 10 18:50:21 wow that's a lot of work Nov 10 18:50:31 including the meamo gui? Nov 10 18:50:43 well, so far Nokia's cleaned up their packages a lot since diablo versions Nov 10 18:51:00 well, mostly the maemo GUI Nov 10 18:51:10 that's what makes it maemo after all :) Nov 10 18:51:47 :) Nov 10 18:51:55 and what about the closed source bits? Nov 10 18:52:47 well there's closed stuff at lower levels (as you know I'm sure), but we're not worrying about that Nov 10 18:52:59 and there's closed stuff at the user level, as well Nov 10 18:53:07 we're mostly worried about the middle level for now Nov 10 18:53:32 by "user level" I mean applications that the user uses Nov 10 18:53:43 the libraries are free for the most part, as is the core desktop stuff Nov 10 18:54:00 I don't know if Nokia ships all closed source binaries statically linked Nov 10 18:54:15 they don't Nov 10 18:54:15 but AFAIC the toolchain is ancient Nov 10 18:54:34 is it possible to use dpkg-repack for some nokias closed source apps? Nov 10 18:54:39 so I don;t know if there could be linking problems Nov 10 18:54:50 Meizirkki, yes Nov 10 18:54:59 Meizirkki, yes, but no point imho Nov 10 18:55:16 ok Nov 10 18:55:55 solca, well, actually, if I understand correctly, current maemo apps might not run without some small source changes on "maemo 5" Nov 10 18:56:08 so things will have to get recompiled anyways Nov 10 19:05:28 can i watch quicktime objects .qtl with some application in n800? Nov 10 19:06:29 so, does the bl-5f battery work in the n800? Nov 10 19:06:30 can any piece of software use those except for the Apple's quicktime? Nov 10 19:06:55 deejoe, n800 has a bp-5l Nov 10 19:07:17 right. Nov 10 19:07:28 are they interchangeable? Nov 10 19:07:43 well, the bl-5f is cheaper, but has fewer amp-hours Nov 10 19:08:28 what I don't know is whether it physically fits, or has other qualities that make it either a bad idea or an ok one. Nov 10 19:08:50 hello world Nov 10 19:08:58 hi timeless Nov 10 19:08:58 anyone know why Python is listed as disconitnued? Nov 10 19:09:02 (sp) Nov 10 19:09:15 where is it listed as discontinued? Nov 10 19:09:26 http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_bugs.maemo.org#Draft_structure Nov 10 19:10:29 odd, that's contrary to what i've heard Nov 10 19:10:47 yeah, I thought Python was going to be brought into the fold Nov 10 19:15:29 so how I can install maemo R? deboostrap? Nov 10 19:16:43 solca, there's a tarball to start with, then just grab packages as they become available Nov 10 19:17:12 tarball is here: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/m-r-booting.tar.gz Nov 10 19:17:30 for now we're keeping status updates here: http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC Nov 10 19:18:22 johnx: I untar to a empty partition? ext3fs is good? Nov 10 19:18:35 yes, ext3 is what I use Nov 10 19:19:08 and I direct the rootfs via the kernel parameter or I have to make an entry to the bootselect? Nov 10 19:19:35 well, the rootfs is designed to boot with bootmenu Nov 10 19:19:48 sorry I meant bootmenu not bootselect :) Nov 10 19:19:53 I'm not sure if it will work right if mounted directly as a rootfs Nov 10 19:19:59 i lost everything.... Nov 10 19:20:22 Meizirkki, darn. that sucks. :( Nov 10 19:20:37 johnx: deblet works but it reboots, probably because it didn't start dmse Nov 10 19:20:51 Anybody knows what causes that segmentation Fault error Nov 10 19:21:06 which segmentation fault error? Nov 10 19:21:40 okay. weirdest error-ever, po/en_GB.po:124: ...but some messages have 3 plural forms Nov 10 19:21:41 solca, how warm did the tablet get before rebooting? also, that was the kernel with both watchdog's enabled, right? Nov 10 19:21:51 EVERY app i am trying to start shows me a f***** segmentating fault error! Nov 10 19:22:01 Meizirkki: armv6 or? Nov 10 19:22:12 yep Nov 10 19:22:26 i have always used armv6el Nov 10 19:22:28 every app? does ls and cd still work? Nov 10 19:22:39 okay ls and cd work Nov 10 19:22:44 Meizirkki: this was after debootstrapping again? Nov 10 19:22:48 but firefox... Nov 10 19:22:51 yep Nov 10 19:23:03 well firefox might be a little rough on the tablet Nov 10 19:23:04 :P Nov 10 19:23:04 johnx: the tablet feels cold here so I'm pretty sure the rebooting is not by getting hot \ Nov 10 19:23:10 ... Nov 10 19:23:20 Meizirkki: you got X working? Nov 10 19:23:28 it always reboots almost at the same 30s after idle Nov 10 19:23:33 Armv6el version of firefox runs well Nov 10 19:23:39 sounds like wd though, solca Nov 10 19:23:40 X works Nov 10 19:23:46 Stskeeps: exactly Nov 10 19:23:58 But most of the apps says Segmentation Fault Nov 10 19:24:03 like hildon-desktop Nov 10 19:24:40 This have happened before Nov 10 19:24:47 got swap activated? Nov 10 19:24:52 yes Nov 10 19:24:55 but as already said in the omap tree the watchdogs react as normal watchdogs so maybe a bad interaction beetween apis Nov 10 19:25:07 Mayde it has something to do with locales Nov 10 19:25:10 ? Nov 10 19:25:33 Meizirkki: are you booted into it or chrooting? Nov 10 19:25:48 Chorrting Nov 10 19:25:59 johnx: the weird thing is that afaik you just open the watchdog device and keep writing every 10s Nov 10 19:26:06 booting directly does not work for some reason. Nov 10 19:26:23 solca: http://www.atomide.com/linux/n8x0/ maybe Nov 10 19:26:29 johnx: well that is what the normal debian watchdog daemon does Nov 10 19:26:36 * solca looking... Nov 10 19:26:38 I can see rescue menus text, but anything else is behind white screen Nov 10 19:27:19 I'll try again... Nov 10 19:27:28 Meizirkki: there might be a binary incompatibility in some way Nov 10 19:27:43 if you got the packages from deblet Nov 10 19:27:51 the omap-fb-tools ones Nov 10 19:27:51 oh Nov 10 19:27:53 i know what's wrong Nov 10 19:28:12 Meizirkki: cp fb0,fb1,fb2 from /dev on maemo to the /dev on the partition Nov 10 19:28:32 thanks, i'll try Nov 10 19:30:47 cp says they are same files Nov 10 19:31:51 because of chroot Nov 10 19:31:52 Stskeeps: yes I already have that patches, but from muru.com which seems is the same site Nov 10 19:32:25 and now i am in deep shit, i removed em. Nov 10 19:33:35 ah Nov 10 19:33:54 Meizirkki: next victim, your n810? Nov 10 19:33:54 :P Nov 10 19:34:43 i guess so... Nov 10 19:35:05 /sbin/MAKEDEV fb0 may work Nov 10 19:35:11 thanks a lot Nov 10 19:35:22 remember fb1 and 2 Nov 10 19:35:31 yep Nov 10 19:35:58 timeles, not sure why it's in there in the first place. Nov 10 19:36:31 Stskeeps: i think you just saved my n810 :) Nov 10 19:36:49 timeless, it's probably related to Gazpacho, actually. Nov 10 19:39:12 Stskeeps: if not my n810, at least my mind Nov 10 19:41:02 k Nov 10 19:43:23 I'm trying to get avahi-daemon running automatically Nov 10 19:43:51 are there any scripts that will be called after connecting to a wlan-network (wlancond)? Nov 10 19:44:23 you can use dbus-scripts to watch for a connect and run a command Nov 10 19:45:02 emma_goldstein, http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2008/11/get-avahi-working-on-maemo.html Nov 10 19:50:49 Still segmentation fault Nov 10 19:50:54 :( Nov 10 19:51:17 sucks, guess there are some problems with it Nov 10 19:51:38 Segmentation Fault is random error. Nov 10 19:51:46 does dmesg say anything? Nov 10 19:51:54 and is this still a chroot? Nov 10 19:51:55 is there an equivalent of service-discovery-applet for maemo once avahi is working?? Nov 10 19:51:59 that wuold be HAWT!! Nov 10 19:52:18 chroot Nov 10 19:52:40 Meizirkki_n810_2: you use glib and such from m-r or? Nov 10 19:53:16 Almost everything is from mojo repos Nov 10 19:53:27 got udev? might help Nov 10 19:53:29 er Nov 10 19:53:35 remembering to mount dev/pts and proc? Nov 10 19:53:40 gmesg shows a lot of tect Nov 10 19:53:41 in chroot Nov 10 19:53:47 dmesg Nov 10 19:54:03 qoles chroot scripts... Nov 10 19:55:39 I'll start all over again Nov 10 19:56:18 i am sure it has something to do with loale settings Nov 10 19:56:25 *locale Nov 10 19:56:42 mm, seems odd that it crashes cos of that Nov 10 20:00:48 Finally Meizirkki_n810 timed out :) Nov 10 20:01:07 qwerty12_N800: thanks - up and running now Nov 10 20:01:29 Mousey: in terminal "avahi-browse -a" Nov 10 20:01:42 gmm Nov 10 20:01:43 hmm Nov 10 20:02:00 i like the libnotify style of service-discovery-applet, maybe i can learn python and become useful! ^_^ Nov 10 20:02:56 Mousey: as avahi is about services, it's just useful displaying available data in clients, i use the discovery-applet just for debugging purposes Nov 10 20:03:17 really.. i use it for network monitoring =) Nov 10 20:03:45 superficial coffee shop style network monitoring.. not like etherape or wireshark or something Nov 10 20:03:57 Hi guys Nov 10 20:04:10 not having much luck here... Nov 10 20:04:32 im using sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b to try and build a library from source Nov 10 20:04:41 and i'm getting configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Nov 10 20:04:54 i think that is because /usr/bin/cc says file not found Nov 10 20:05:09 dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-libosip/libosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 /usr/bin/cc Nov 10 20:05:09 /opt/maemo/dists/etch/bin/bash: /usr/bin/cc: No such file or directory Nov 10 20:05:27 yet..... Nov 10 20:05:28 dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-libosip/libosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 ls -als /usr/bin/cc Nov 10 20:05:28 184 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 183444 2008-11-10 21:44 /usr/bin/cc Nov 10 20:06:27 any ideas ? Nov 10 20:06:31 about to have input working in Xorg :) Nov 10 20:06:48 johnx_: you did the /dev/fb symlink? Nov 10 20:07:01 yup, it already runs and displays windows Nov 10 20:07:07 DHL kaput! Nov 10 20:07:11 johnx_: neat Nov 10 20:07:12 moo, johnx Nov 10 20:07:15 hey sts Nov 10 20:07:17 I'm just pulling in the tslib xorg input from debian Nov 10 20:07:21 m00f RST38h Nov 10 20:08:25 johnx_: note on jaiku ideally, then we have that as a note for later adoptees Nov 10 20:08:45 i will once it works. I'll upload packages, source and xorg.conf as well Nov 10 20:08:49 k Nov 10 20:08:58 i'll continue building stuff Nov 10 20:08:59 :P Nov 10 20:13:39 Touchscreen does not work? Nov 10 20:13:54 in xorg? I don't think so Nov 10 20:13:58 I tried a couple things Nov 10 20:14:07 evdev, evtouch, but good old tslib seems to do the trick Nov 10 20:14:11 huh? Nov 10 20:14:14 just making my patch nice now :) Nov 10 20:14:15 oh Nov 10 20:14:27 when i tried Xomap last time in hasty it worked... Nov 10 20:14:36 xorg, not xomap :) Nov 10 20:14:42 ookay :) Nov 10 20:16:29 xorg is much cooler :P Nov 10 20:16:53 they already have lots of HAL stuff as well :) Nov 10 20:17:01 yep Nov 10 20:17:18 It works now? Nov 10 20:17:33 jeez, gimme a minute :P Nov 10 20:22:29 damn, debootstrap failed... Nov 10 20:24:27 maybe sd card getting corrupted? Nov 10 20:26:40 phew, finally, hildon-fm going :P Nov 10 20:26:49 :) Nov 10 20:26:54 had a bunch of dependancy Nov 10 20:28:04 My sd have always been littlebit weird, sfdisk cannot read it and deblet installer thinks it's internal card .L Nov 10 20:29:41 then it is.. :P Nov 10 20:29:54 if the debug says so Nov 10 20:30:09 no errors with fdisk Nov 10 20:30:18 fsck sorry Nov 10 20:30:23 :) Nov 10 20:31:50 hey Nov 10 20:31:53 if i'm a program Nov 10 20:31:59 and i want to use an env var... Nov 10 20:32:06 * Meizirkki_n810 thinks he should sleep Nov 10 20:32:11 what env var can i use to figure out "device language"? Nov 10 20:32:16 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1968#c1 Nov 10 20:32:21 LANG Nov 10 20:32:40 qwerty12_n800: hrm. nope Nov 10 20:32:44 see bug Nov 10 20:33:10 my bad, I shouldn't jump the gun :) Nov 10 20:37:40 anywayk, if you can figure out the right patch Nov 10 20:37:41 please post it :) Nov 10 20:38:33 hi guys - anybody know how i can get around this ? Nov 10 20:38:34 dh_installman -plibosip2-dev Nov 10 20:38:34 debian/tmp/usr/share/man/man1/osip.1: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 120. Nov 10 20:39:01 there is debian/tmp/usr/local/share/man/man1/osip.1 Nov 10 20:39:19 for some reason the files are in usr/local instead of usr Nov 10 20:39:42 building a new .deb package? make sure you pass --prefix=/usr to configure Nov 10 20:40:33 i'm trying to build an existing source package - can i do a sb2 ./configure --prefix=/usr Nov 10 20:40:38 and then a sb2 dpkg-buildpackage ? Nov 10 20:40:46 i'm trying to use an ubuntu source package Nov 10 20:40:57 which might not go so well with an etch tool set ? Nov 10 20:41:00 strange that it's installing into usr/local Nov 10 20:41:14 just look in debian/rules Nov 10 20:41:25 and add a --prefix=/usr to their configure command line Nov 10 20:44:00 aah thanks for the info johnx - i did a configure --prefix=/usr and then the dpkg-buildpackage, which seemed to have worked Nov 10 20:44:16 in debian/rules, at the top it says make -f Nov 10 20:44:28 can I add a -j5 there to take advantage of my multicores ? Nov 10 20:44:37 or is that a no no when doing cross compiling ? Nov 10 20:44:39 for that kind of thing just: Nov 10 20:44:46 export MAKE="make -j5" Nov 10 20:45:19 no need to tweak debian/rules for something that's a local change only Nov 10 20:45:25 aaah thanks :D Nov 10 20:45:45 I actually have a little file that I source before I start building things Nov 10 20:46:16 What multicores? Nov 10 20:46:27 oh ? anything else that might be usefull / i can learn from ? Nov 10 20:46:36 i'm running a quad core as the host computer? Nov 10 20:47:41 timeless, got it. $LC_MESSAGES Nov 10 20:47:46 * RST38h found yesterday that MIPS assembler will add NOPs into assembly code wherever it feels that the CPU will get into a pipeline hazard Nov 10 20:47:56 dksaarth, ah, if you're building packages that take forever to build their documentation and you have no need for it: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nodocs" Nov 10 20:48:16 thanks again :) Nov 10 20:48:34 (holy shit, the MIPS is so ancient that it actually had problems with certain instruction sequences and those were taken care of in the software) Nov 10 20:50:26 Cheaper than fixing the hardware. Nov 10 20:52:04 johnx_: choice of version numbers, adapt ubuntu to maemo, or adapt maemo to ubuntu? Nov 10 20:52:48 hmmmm, im still running into the problem of not finding my cc Nov 10 20:52:56 it went away, and came back ;/ Nov 10 20:53:00 dksaarth@dksaarth-desktop:~/maemo/ubuntu-exosip/libexosip2-3.1.0$ sb2 cc -v Nov 10 20:53:01 /opt/maemo/dists/etch/bin/bash: /usr/bin/cc: No such file or directory Nov 10 20:53:36 derf: much less efficient though Nov 10 20:53:50 especially with slow SDRAM found in embedded devices Nov 10 20:57:58 hmm...starting to get tired of my computer randomly turning off Nov 10 20:58:15 BTW, does xorg's omapfb do manual fb updates? Nov 10 20:58:35 I think yes Nov 10 20:58:54 so is it an option to turn on? Nov 10 20:58:54 Sigh i can not understand why /usr/bin/cc says it does not exist, yet ls /usr/bin/cc shows that it exists Nov 10 21:00:20 johnx: think suihkulokki mentioned something about it not being manual Nov 10 21:00:31 aaah, ok Nov 10 21:00:37 that's what I gathered Nov 10 21:00:41 just wanted to confirm Nov 10 21:01:59 how does fb-progress do it? it doesn't need automatic framebuffer afaik but uses the fb to display the bar Nov 10 21:02:26 it manually calls for an fb update Nov 10 21:02:28 johnx: it is an fctl Nov 10 21:02:34 ioctl, sorry Nov 10 21:03:05 i've installed a tomcat app in a centos vmware machine now when i start the service( Alfresco) the java process hangs in futex wait( seen using strace) Nov 10 21:04:00 any ideas what might be wrong? Nov 10 21:24:30 I have to train irssi to somehow not highlight me on emma_goldste.. Nov 10 21:27:01 /help hilight Nov 10 21:32:14 is there some "autogreet" in nokia chat to register with nickserv? Nov 10 21:45:07 anyone know what the plat-omap architecture is within the linux kernel? Nov 10 21:45:14 sigh, still no cc joy Nov 10 22:05:57 can anybody here help me get my app installed to the emulator ? I have successfully installed the necessary libraries from source packages, and succesfully built my program Nov 10 22:06:06 im now trying to get it to my emulated device Nov 10 22:06:40 how do I go about that ? previously i could install the made packages, but i now i only have source file, make file and executable ? Nov 10 22:08:00 one power supply later... Nov 10 22:08:06 ick, it died? Nov 10 22:08:08 eeek Nov 10 22:08:12 welcome back johnx Nov 10 22:08:23 it died a slow painful death Nov 10 22:08:28 johnx: one more for the deblet/m-r "in memoriam" list Nov 10 22:08:49 johnx, could you give me some more advice ? is it necessary to build a package to get it onto my emulated device ? I have successfully installed the necessary libraries from source packages, and succesfully built my program Nov 10 22:08:52 with the other project i had it was hosting providers going bankrupt, heh Nov 10 22:09:06 but I only have source files, make file and a executable Nov 10 22:09:11 dksaarth: qemu emulator or? Nov 10 22:09:23 sb2 ? I dont understand the question ? Nov 10 22:09:49 the thing that shows up when I do maemo-runtime start diablo41_armel :) Nov 10 22:09:51 sb2 is basically just a cross-compilation environment Nov 10 22:09:54 ah Nov 10 22:09:56 that's xephyr Nov 10 22:10:04 dksaarth, you can just copy stuff in to place, but the more libraries you have the more of a pain it is Nov 10 22:10:17 export DISPLAY=:1; ./yourprogram or something isnt it? Nov 10 22:11:28 or the run-standalone.sh one Nov 10 22:11:39 (i dunno with maemo sdk+) Nov 10 22:13:43 so what are the practical consequences of osso-gnomevfs not conflicting with libgnomevfs? Nov 10 22:15:00 s/not// Nov 10 22:15:00 johnx meant: so what are the practical consequences of osso-gnomevfs conflicting with libgnomevfs? Nov 10 22:15:20 thanks Stskeeps Nov 10 22:15:26 johnx: everything gnome breaks Nov 10 22:15:38 johnx: i'm recompiling with style similar to ubuntu Nov 10 22:15:46 2:version vs version Nov 10 22:17:47 is it possible to get network access through this emulator ? I'm trying to see if my program can run on these devices without too much recoding - so far i have install the necessary libraries, compiled it, and it appears on screen Nov 10 22:18:22 I would like to see if some of the network functionality is there (to test out if my libraries worked, but if i can compile and run they should have been done correctly right ? ) Nov 10 22:19:13 well its not really an emulator, it's just a x server within a x server and your binary runs on top of your linux kernel Nov 10 22:20:10 okay, compiled for arm tho ? Nov 10 22:20:14 yeah Nov 10 22:20:21 it uses a binary emulator so Nov 10 22:21:01 should have net access then, may need to use ips then Nov 10 22:22:57 woot Nov 10 22:23:06 the sending of the sip messages works Nov 10 22:23:12 * Stskeeps finds HCI papers goes down a lot easier with vodka. Nov 10 22:23:16 hah Nov 10 22:23:51 Basically, the reason I have been playing around with this stuff is that I want to write a proposal for our lab to get 2 N8x0's Nov 10 22:24:06 but in order to do that, I need to say it won't be that hard to port the software Nov 10 22:24:21 we have a bunch of n8x0s (i'm a student programmer), two beagleboards.. i love my work Nov 10 22:24:29 aah awesome Nov 10 22:24:48 i have my app on screen apparently working - is this as far as I can take it before buying one ? or is there some more emulation I can do ? Nov 10 22:25:16 there's some more possibility but you need a firmware image and stuff Nov 10 22:26:14 aah okay Nov 10 22:26:35 but if you have your app working like that, you're good to go Nov 10 22:26:45 awesome! Nov 10 22:26:52 now I just need to convince my supervisor ;) Nov 10 22:28:12 and if he says anything there's also debian for the tablets and prototype ubuntu-based maemo system by community going on Nov 10 22:28:21 so porting is a lot easier Nov 10 22:28:41 Nice, thanks Nov 10 22:28:49 what do you research in? Nov 10 22:29:48 A couple of the guys here look at the IMS (IP multimedia subsystem) framework - sip based telecommunications framework Nov 10 22:29:56 Im tinkering around with videoconferencing Nov 10 22:30:05 (over the IMS) Nov 10 22:30:11 i had stuff working with gstreamer atleast Nov 10 22:30:32 aah nice - we use gstreamer for our ims client Nov 10 22:31:06 a couple of N8x0's would be a nice demonstration of our work + it would get rid of the need to carry machines around to show our work off Nov 10 22:31:47 yeah, except when you have to deal with projectors, then you need usb2vga stuff :P Nov 10 22:31:53 johnx: brilliant:) Nov 10 22:31:55 haha Nov 10 22:32:38 it'll be chunky until we can get back to manual fb updates though Nov 10 22:32:45 yeah, well, we aren't viewing video :P Nov 10 22:33:54 johnx: does it actually work? and is it the tslib sui had? Nov 10 22:34:21 it's probably the same tslib, given that it's from debian Nov 10 22:34:33 no modifications. I thought i needed to hack it, but that turned out to be wrong Nov 10 22:35:39 k - there wa a tslib at http://nchipin.kos.to/deblet/ so Nov 10 22:36:09 yes, same source package Nov 10 22:36:26 ah Nov 10 22:36:30 alright Nov 10 22:36:36 wait, hang on, let me check something Nov 10 22:37:04 ah, his is better. hal support Nov 10 22:37:22 there's a TODO for that part though? Nov 10 22:37:47 the debian changelog says "Add hal support" Nov 10 22:37:54 ah Nov 10 22:38:24 i'm recompiling osso-gnomevfs atm towards getting it to work with libgtkhtml from ubuntu Nov 10 22:38:36 with the new version Nov 10 22:38:45 without that we can't get hildon-help, so Nov 10 22:40:36 why on earth does it end up depending on selinux though, i dunno Nov 10 22:40:45 ahaha Nov 10 22:40:49 that is pretty weird Nov 10 22:41:24 most secure mobile os, ever, unintentionally Nov 10 22:41:25 or something Nov 10 22:41:44 seriously though, i've seen several packages build itself with selinux for no good reason Nov 10 22:42:06 and it doesn't make it better selinux is NSA's work Nov 10 22:42:06 :P Nov 10 22:42:32 don't like the NSA? have something to hide? :D Nov 10 22:43:05 though i do admit increased security may be more relevant on a mobile device in the futre Nov 10 22:44:54 I'd really like to see sandboxing become popular on linux Nov 10 22:45:05 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7720049.stm - woohoo, denmark now has nuclear weapons! Nov 10 22:45:06 in a really user accessible way Nov 10 22:45:30 denmark has user accessible nuclear weapons? Nov 10 22:45:39 ;-) Nov 10 22:46:31 actually...looks like it Nov 10 22:48:29 johnx: regarding image creation, should we go with the deblet installer? Nov 10 22:48:33 and a repo Nov 10 22:49:16 that seems reasonable Nov 10 22:49:19 k Nov 10 23:00:56 "Mobile Virtualization Platform," Nov 10 23:00:57 oh my. Nov 10 23:01:29 * Stskeeps sells his vmware stock (if he had any) Nov 10 23:03:18 hmm? because they're working on an ARM emulator? Nov 10 23:03:24 Stskeeps, can I run Windows on my cellphone now? Nov 10 23:04:31 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39547412,00.htm Nov 10 23:06:29 uhm, are they seriously going to run a fully virtualized system on a handheld? Nov 10 23:06:51 i think they'd be a lot better off running L4 + linux on top really Nov 10 23:07:27 and then seperate out some sandboxed services (DRM, billing, etc) and provide a communication to them Nov 10 23:15:49 well personally, I think keeping users out of their own phones is a losing cause Nov 10 23:16:02 but there's a lot of money to be made while people think it can be done :) Nov 10 23:16:19 yeah.. its a interesting balance though Nov 10 23:21:15 * Stskeeps sighs over licenses Nov 10 23:25:26 Stskeeps, but can I run Windows on my phone? Nov 10 23:25:47 yeah! vista as well Nov 10 23:26:05 isn't the oqo about small enough for that Nov 10 23:26:33 GAN800: windows 3.11 already runs on your tablet Nov 10 23:26:51 okay. is apt braindamaged or something? Nov 10 23:26:57 Depends: libgnomevfs2-dev (>= 2.8.4-2) Nov 10 23:27:09 installed version is 2:2.16.3-1osso39mr0 Nov 10 23:27:19 and it failed without the 2: too Nov 10 23:28:29 and i know 2.8.4 is lexically larger than 2.16 Nov 10 23:29:05 no idea here Nov 10 23:29:16 is there a matching < clause somewhere? Nov 10 23:30:23 not sure.. i'm clashing with libgnomeui-dev basically Nov 10 23:32:16 * Stskeeps gives up and builds maemo gtkhtml Nov 10 23:33:19 alright, you try that and I'll give it a shot Nov 10 23:34:42 behaviour might be because libosso gnomevfs2-dev replaces/provides/conflicts libgnomevfs2-dev Nov 10 23:39:32 gtkhtml is rolling, i'm off to bed Nov 10 23:39:37 'night Nov 10 23:40:37 would be delightful if you can find the issue, coexistence is definately a major thing in this stuff :P Nov 10 23:41:27 I'm grabbing all your .debs now Nov 10 23:41:31 I'll see what I can do Nov 10 23:41:46 * johnx wonders if it co-exists in an API way Nov 10 23:53:21 I have an n800. I don't like those silicone cases. Are there any other options that you guys know of? Nov 10 23:53:24 I can't find any Nov 10 23:53:45 no case at all has worked well for me :) Nov 10 23:53:58 Well I just dropped mine Nov 10 23:54:07 me too. on blacktop Nov 10 23:54:10 like 3 times Nov 10 23:54:14 On cement for me Nov 10 23:54:19 s/blacktop/concrete/ Nov 10 23:54:25 I hate it though Nov 10 23:54:33 I have these deep gashes on the corner Nov 10 23:54:41 I want to prevent any more Nov 10 23:54:45 heh...same here actually :) Nov 10 23:55:37 I have some kind of case for a game system I think, might be nintendo DS or a PSP case, but I only use it when throwing my n800 on a backpack Nov 10 23:56:06 Stskeeps, sorry, forgot the smilies. :P Nov 10 23:56:29 This is saddening Nov 10 23:56:34 Those silicone ones suck though Nov 10 23:57:00 so you're looking for a case that lets you use it while it while inside the case? Nov 10 23:57:01 dmsuperman, i keep my 810 in a wooden case Nov 10 23:57:10 I think there was some leather one that folded Nov 10 23:57:12 get yourself a router and measure up Nov 10 23:57:30 It needs to be only slightly larger than the n800 so it can still fit in my pocket Nov 10 23:57:43 Even that sock thing that comes with it Nov 10 23:57:56 I'd like something like that Nov 10 23:58:00 But the n800 slides out too easily Nov 10 23:58:14 i have an old pda case that i keep in my pocket Nov 10 23:58:52 the 810 fits nice n snug :) Nov 10 23:58:59 :'( Nov 10 23:59:08 Anybody have one of those silicone cases? Nov 10 23:59:14 Perhaps if it's easy to slip out of Nov 10 23:59:17 Then it'd be fine Nov 10 23:59:24 I don't use the speakers all that often Nov 10 23:59:42 wait, so you want something you can just store it in? or a case that lets you use the device while it's in the case? Nov 11 00:00:10 Well, I'd like something that leaves the entire front face open Nov 11 00:00:16 But if not, at least the screen and stylux Nov 11 00:00:18 stylus* Nov 11 00:00:50 So I'm thinking if teh n800 can slip out of that silicone case easily Nov 11 00:03:56 dmsuperman, I'm using an Otterbox for mine -- very safe, but it's not exactly pocket-friendly :) Nov 11 00:06:28 mine is pretty similar to this: http://www.vavolo.com/productdetails.asp,ProductID,3880,,.htm Nov 11 00:06:49 you can just unzip it and use the tablet normally Nov 11 01:29:01 johnx: the weird thing is that afaik you just open the watchdog device and keep writing every 10s Nov 11 01:29:12 still having problems with it? Nov 11 01:29:56 sorry I hit up-return and post the last entry :) Nov 11 01:30:32 no prob Nov 11 01:32:23 johnx: I have now maemo-r installed from the tarball, how I can installed the new updates? Nov 11 01:32:54 right now it's kind of a piece-by-piece method Nov 11 01:33:26 and where are you posting the new stuff? Nov 11 01:33:39 packages compiled by stskeeps are at: http://trac.tspre.org/stskeeps and packages compiled by me are at http://trac.tspre.org/johnx/packages Nov 11 01:33:54 we're compiling from stage.maemo.org with as few changes as possible Nov 11 01:34:15 which reminds me, I need to get hacking on osso-gnomevfs packaging Nov 11 01:35:13 excellent, will try those packages Nov 11 01:35:38 it's not enough to have a desktop yet, just a good start at building more packages Nov 11 01:36:45 sure, X with a terminal is enough for me right now to test a working kernel Nov 11 01:37:17 There might not be a keymap in X yet Nov 11 01:37:56 you could set it up to give you a console over usb ethernet though Nov 11 01:38:06 s/console/telnet session/ Nov 11 01:38:07 johnx meant: you could set it up to give you a telnet session over usb ethernet though Nov 11 01:38:33 right now I'm at the console via the deblet rescue menu Nov 11 01:38:37 which is a good thing Nov 11 01:38:54 ah, I thought you were booting directly to rootfs Nov 11 01:39:51 I haven't tried, I boot via bootmenu and then pressing the home key to get the rescue menu Nov 11 01:40:05 and then the console Nov 11 01:40:52 * Mousey researches canola+daap Nov 11 01:44:17 * Mousey comes up empty Nov 11 01:44:20 * Mousey cries Nov 11 01:44:22 ;_; Nov 11 01:44:30 wow...that was some fast research Nov 11 01:44:37 i'm that good Nov 11 01:45:00 canola+upnp works well enough, but it doesn't cope that well with a couple thousand songs Nov 11 01:45:09 Canola doesn't support any Daap Authentication Method. Nov 11 01:45:15 as of 12-13-2006 Nov 11 01:45:29 yah, i've used it with mythtv Nov 11 01:45:34 works really well Nov 11 01:45:35 but Nov 11 01:45:42 daap would be the nice Nov 11 01:45:48 stupid self correcting spelling Nov 11 01:46:06 what uses daap again? is it itunes? Nov 11 01:54:03 and those little music server thigns you plug in Nov 11 01:54:26 I wouldn't buy a music server unless it ran Linux :) Nov 11 01:55:10 or maybe os x Nov 11 02:08:20 wtf: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Nov 11 02:08:22 ? Nov 11 02:08:38 https://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Nov 11 02:08:55 err...well, that's not working either :/ Nov 11 02:09:03 ;) Nov 11 02:09:07 it'll be back eventually I'm sure Nov 11 02:18:27 http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1024575&cid=25714077 Nov 11 02:20:02 johnx: are you compiling source packages from stage.maemo.org or from mojo? Nov 11 02:20:11 stage.maemo.org Nov 11 02:21:51 I understood that all packages was from mojo (ubuntu) and just some parts from maemo... Nov 11 02:23:02 well the base distribution is from mojo. Then the maemo GUI is pulled from stage.maemo.org Nov 11 02:24:15 the mojo packages are recompiled or just installed directly from mojo to your tarball? Nov 11 02:24:43 it's just a tarball of a mojo debootstrap Nov 11 02:24:56 with a couple things added to make it bootable Nov 11 02:27:21 johnx: thx, now if I understand correctly the boot sequence: kernel->initfs->linuxrc->mmcblk0p2->linuxrc->/sbin/init ? Nov 11 02:27:36 seems about right Nov 11 02:27:45 ok thx! Nov 11 02:34:18 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5185504436.html Nov 11 02:54:49 any ideas what state 'MALF' means? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 11 02:59:57 2008