**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 16 02:59:56 2008 Nov 16 03:12:09 Anyone with experience with WPA? Nov 16 03:13:21 OS2007 WPA???? Nov 16 03:16:17 Anyone have WPA recommendations? Nov 16 03:18:11 Hi matt_c Nov 16 03:22:20 WPA setup anyone? Nov 16 04:50:47 anyone here use mamona? Nov 16 04:51:21 the mamona channel, no one ever talks Nov 16 04:56:11 hehe Nov 16 04:58:37 I am trying to create the fiasco image with MIC but get - http://pastebin.com/m24cc1acd Nov 16 05:09:54 * bef0rd haz no idea, sorry Nov 16 05:31:43 when I was using mapper with GPS I was trying to get it to move the map as I went along the downloaded route ... Nov 16 05:31:51 does anyone know how to get that working? Nov 16 05:33:01 turn on auto center maybe? Nov 16 05:33:08 I don't have a gps though Nov 16 05:36:47 hmm Nov 16 05:36:48 ok Nov 16 05:40:16 how do i stop the screen from going dim? Nov 16 05:41:31 this is maemo mapper, right? Nov 16 05:41:56 look through the options and preferences. maybe read the help file. I know there's an option for keeping the screen on Nov 16 05:48:17 ok ... looking Nov 16 05:50:00 not finding anything about the screen though Nov 16 05:50:08 :( Nov 16 05:50:31 im driving Nov 16 05:51:56 zetheroo1, preferences -> misc. -> unblank screen: Nov 16 05:52:28 did you get the auto center working at least? Nov 16 05:55:47 johnx: yes thanks... I think Auto-center works and Unbankscreen shoudl ork too Nov 16 05:55:53 work* Nov 16 05:56:08 my last thing is to get flite working ... Nov 16 05:56:08 :) Nov 16 05:57:25 what is Tracking btw? Nov 16 05:59:21 I'm not sure exactly, but there really is a very complete help file Nov 16 06:00:33 ok ... well I drove with my N810 to a place this morning and Tracking was enabled and now on my map I have a red line going to my destination and I would like to get rid of that ... Nov 16 06:02:28 ahh ... I did it Nov 16 06:02:47 Track > Clear ... Nov 16 06:10:26 bbl Nov 16 06:22:58 bbl? Nov 16 07:34:21 qwerty1234 Nov 16 07:34:50 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7730125.stm Nov 16 07:34:52 Hehehehe Nov 16 07:40:08 Even better: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1085915/Divorced-reality-All-accounts-Second-Life-love-triangle-saw-woman-separate-husband-having-cyber-affair.html Nov 16 08:38:09 hi. is itt the place to ask maemo dev setup related questions? (using xepyhr, etc) ? Nov 16 08:41:00 yes. Nov 16 08:41:05 Development forum. Nov 16 08:41:07 ok, thanks Nov 16 08:51:34 hm, many people compile maemo apps under poky instead? Nov 16 08:54:59 a Nov 16 09:01:26 does os2008 got gcc so you could compile from source? Nov 16 09:04:55 hahlobit, not sure, but I know there is a dev environment for linux that you can compile from source in Nov 16 09:06:40 ok apparently at least gcc-3.4 found Nov 16 09:07:08 Sts: check with hrw Nov 16 09:07:20 He sounded like a poky fan once Nov 16 09:07:50 poky is another scratchbox kind of thing? Nov 16 09:11:13 hmm, i am still unable to compile most of the lxde packages for m-r Nov 16 09:11:47 it wants perl 5.x and i have perl 5.8 Nov 16 09:18:41 ~curse cross compiling kernels Nov 16 09:18:42 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, cross compiling kernels ! Nov 16 09:21:39 Meiz_n810: thats odd Nov 16 09:22:37 Stskeeps: i try to get lxde working by force-architecturing lxpanel and lxsession-lite from armel repos Nov 16 09:33:46 k Nov 16 09:51:21 * RST38h is now getting spam in Turkish Nov 16 09:51:55 First Polish, now this. Why, WHY? Nov 16 09:55:04 I'm just glad the Cyrillic spam stopped. Nov 16 10:04:20 Damn, need to force pcmanfm too... Nov 16 10:13:11 hehe Nov 16 10:13:16 Okay, i give up with lxde... Nov 16 10:13:24 General: Lucky you Nov 16 10:13:28 need to force so many packages Nov 16 10:13:31 General: 'cause it did not here Nov 16 10:13:56 Meiz_n810: it's really weird ubuntu doesn't have lxde Nov 16 10:14:01 Also, I am now redirecting all email from *.cn to /dev/null Nov 16 10:15:31 Stskeeps: We'll see where ubuntu on arm goes... Nov 16 10:15:50 yeah, can't harm i guess Nov 16 10:16:33 yep. Gpicview is on hasty repo, but it is too old to work with lennys lxde... Nov 16 10:24:49 Sorry for a stupid question but how do I make a short beep in maemo? Nov 16 10:29:00 think you have to go through playing a sound really Nov 16 10:29:10 there is gdk_beep() Nov 16 10:29:14 not sure if it works though Nov 16 10:46:55 GeneralAntilles: ++ on the "i am bitter" thread :P Nov 16 10:47:35 Meiz_n810: i'm not sure processor architecture will mean anything about stability.. rather speed Nov 16 10:47:46 the processors are backwards compatible Nov 16 10:56:19 gdk_beep() does not appear to do anything Nov 16 11:07:13 RST38h, hildon_play_system_sound - http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/libhildon-2.0.4/hildon-hildon-sound.html . Use it to play /usr/share/sounds/ui-default_beep.wav Nov 16 11:12:08 thanks! Nov 16 11:27:06 Stskeeps: if the system works slow, i think it is not stable :) Nov 16 11:28:39 Um? Nov 16 11:28:47 What, exactly, is your definition of stable? . . . Nov 16 11:28:57 stability is if the system lives up to the functionality it provides for the duration of it's running Nov 16 11:29:04 Because it doesn't seem to quite mesh up with the rest of the universe. Nov 16 11:29:43 k Nov 16 11:31:33 performance is a different creature, a program may be horridly slow but wouldn't mean it's not stable if it actually does what it's supposed to :P Nov 16 11:37:03 hm, does kcbatt author still visit this channel? Nov 16 11:37:19 ~seen KotCzarny Nov 16 11:37:20 kotczarny was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 45d 1h 45m 49s ago, saying: 'nite nite'. Nov 16 11:37:25 probably not :/ Nov 16 11:37:35 ~seen KotCzarny_ Nov 16 11:37:36 kotczarny_ was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 225d 16h 54m 46s ago, saying: 'hi pupnik'. Nov 16 11:37:44 he's in liqbase though :P Nov 16 11:40:50 the charging rate value almost acts like bit 9 of it was a flag, but that seems kinda odd coming from a ADC Nov 16 11:41:14 mm, well, the "easy" way is to just use lsha Nov 16 11:41:14 l Nov 16 11:41:23 or look at qemu retu emulator Nov 16 11:41:31 / other chips Nov 16 11:43:20 oh, that's cute Nov 16 11:43:27 * ShadowJK_ wonders why the battery-status thing grobes dbus Nov 16 11:43:33 HAL Nov 16 11:44:14 Stskeeps, probably not battery status. it uses dsme to talk to bme Nov 16 11:44:23 s/dsme/dbus Nov 16 11:47:18 can't find any rate value there anyway Nov 16 11:48:28 or that Nov 16 11:48:40 ~stab 2.6.8.1 kernel for not obeying CROSS_COMPILE variable Nov 16 11:48:40 * infobot runs at 2.6.8.1 kernel for not obeying CROSS_COMPILE variable with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Nov 16 11:48:50 ShadowJK_: hint, "ftd" Nov 16 11:50:33 * qwerty12 needs to reinstall that actually. the init scripts piss around though with the usb mounting Nov 16 11:53:57 * RST38h adding plot dragging to SlideRule Nov 16 11:54:16 johnx is gonna get all his wishes except for cut&patse Nov 16 11:55:28 what's sliderule again? Nov 16 11:58:16 Sts: maemo.org/downloads/os2008 Nov 16 11:58:18 oh... heh.. it does make more sense as "charger voltage" than rate... Nov 16 11:58:28 thanks for ftd, sts Nov 16 11:59:32 RST38h: oh that Nov 16 12:00:05 * Stskeeps doubt he would be able to take his n800 to exams though Nov 16 12:03:45 "Let me just look that up on wikipedia." Nov 16 12:05:18 well we usually have open book exams so its useless to go on wikipedia :P Nov 16 12:05:23 or oral ones Nov 16 12:07:16 what university? Nov 16 12:07:33 * RST38h haven't heard about oral exams in the us Nov 16 12:10:53 i'm in .dk :P Nov 16 12:11:04 and au.dk Nov 16 12:11:57 ah Nov 16 12:12:15 The last citadel of academic excellency! Nov 16 12:14:08 we have four types of exams, - oral (you know the number of topics and which beforehand, you draw a random number, then present for 10-20 mins about the topic in question, they ask questions, afterwards give grade), written exams, multiple-choice (which are possibly to fail miserably and not possible to do randomly), and take-home exams (48 hours to solve certain tasks) :P Nov 16 12:15:48 sounds pretty much like Russia, except that multiple-choice were not used during my time and take-homes were known as homework B) Nov 16 12:36:53 damN!! no coffee, sugar, cereal, or chocolate sprinkles. the world is about to end Nov 16 12:40:10 * Stskeeps passes lcuk baco Nov 16 12:40:12 n Nov 16 12:40:38 i hadnt checked the bacon supplies, but i think they are in just as sorry a state Nov 16 12:40:51 yesterday was shopping day, but was spent adventuring Nov 16 12:41:47 mm Nov 16 12:42:26 hows "R" coming on Nov 16 12:42:35 or have you been pondering other things Nov 16 12:43:17 building an image atm Nov 16 12:43:39 and there's the developer porting survey on maemo-developers Nov 16 12:44:24 * sp3000 suspects the /topic is stale Nov 16 12:44:43 either that or there are a lot of sprint meetings ;) Nov 16 12:44:47 i wonder if there is any simple way to (a) make "configure" work on device (b) speed up gcc (c) speed up c++ Nov 16 12:45:41 for (a), "don't use busybox" Nov 16 12:45:59 but thats not simple to change Nov 16 12:46:07 sure it is Nov 16 12:46:08 :P Nov 16 12:46:14 that needs a *shock* chroot doesnt it? Nov 16 12:46:17 nop Nov 16 12:46:35 last time i looked at this i nearly broke my tablet Nov 16 12:46:51 but i know the reasons of busybox on the tablet, but part of this is showing to nokia there's reasons to change that would benefit the tablet Nov 16 12:47:28 yes, and having the sensible build tools available for use on the device itself would lower the cost of ownership Nov 16 12:47:38 it means people on every kind of OS can develop for it Nov 16 12:47:56 i hope we get closer to a sane hildon desktop on this thing, so we can get people testing trying to port things Nov 16 12:48:12 * johnx wanders by :) Nov 16 12:48:22 I guess I should test and upload the new hildon-desktop deb Nov 16 12:48:26 its not the testing, almost all folks who get far enough to actually compiling their software make the program they want Nov 16 12:48:27 'lo johnx Nov 16 12:48:36 but theres so many people who *want* to try but never get far enough Nov 16 12:48:54 lcuk: well the idea is to show there's a high success rate in porting when using M-R principles, so Nov 16 12:49:16 I need to fix the changelog, but that will take another rebuild, with docs and everything :/ Nov 16 12:49:26 so I'll upload this for now after I test Nov 16 12:49:37 is it a new version or a changelog? Nov 16 12:50:29 er Nov 16 12:50:32 well it's the debian packaging for 2.0.7 applied to 2.0.19, but the changelog is from 2.0.7 ... Nov 16 12:50:37 k Nov 16 12:50:48 is the version higher than the latest one? Nov 16 12:50:51 also, I messed up the version number "2.0.19" instead of "1:2.0.19" Nov 16 12:50:54 ah Nov 16 12:50:57 so no :/ Nov 16 12:51:13 I'll just fix that and rebuild now. I was putting it off out of frustration Nov 16 12:51:21 nah, upload first and test Nov 16 12:51:25 i'll remove it from repo Nov 16 12:51:26 the former one Nov 16 12:52:07 alright, let me run a quick test here Nov 16 12:52:10 5 minutes :) Nov 16 12:52:37 k Nov 16 12:53:13 so far porting issues: old GTK+, GLib and no 3D (hardware), missing / convoluted dependencies and needing a newer version of gcc (or was it python?) I think I gave up on compiling Boost Nov 16 12:53:51 what uses boost? Nov 16 12:54:04 i could do with a boost Nov 16 12:54:24 johnx: quite a lot of c++ apps i guess Nov 16 12:54:25 * lcuk is going rockclimbing today Nov 16 12:57:01 well, it's not any more b0rken than it was before (this is on the zaurus) and it starts with just start-hildon Nov 16 12:57:38 I'm sure there will be other problems as we get more of it running, but this seems like a much more sane start than the hildon-initscripts and osso-af-startup Nov 16 12:58:08 I just wish I knew why this doesn't behave on the zaurus... Nov 16 12:59:18 sp3000, fixitfixitfixit Nov 16 12:59:42 life is one big sprint meeting :) Nov 16 13:00:03 johnx: did you cut the hildon-initscripts and af-startup dependancy? Nov 16 13:00:21 Stskeeps, that I did :) Nov 16 13:00:38 no one else should ever have a linux machine desecrated like that Nov 16 13:00:50 lol Nov 16 13:01:01 whats the lightest window manager / widget set that people know Nov 16 13:01:13 matchbox and xaw Nov 16 13:01:24 so you're already set for one :) Nov 16 13:01:49 im not necessarily thinking in x.. Nov 16 13:02:24 maybe screen and ncurses? or do you mean something like directfb? Nov 16 13:03:02 well ive got the backbuffer, ive make my own crappy widget but its not functionally complete and is limited Nov 16 13:03:19 im looking to replace my widget set with the core of something expandable Nov 16 13:03:52 but i dont want to spent 6 months of my life doing it - the core libraries for a widgetset are like the core libraries for a 3d app - small Nov 16 13:04:39 just pushing this out might actually align my head with whats needed Nov 16 13:04:39 lcuk: QNX, Phonon? Nov 16 13:04:45 photon Nov 16 13:05:08 isn't that closed? Nov 16 13:05:20 well he asked about the lightest ;) Nov 16 13:05:23 open or closed downst matter john, its the principles Nov 16 13:05:49 well, I assume you want to see some source or headers without paying a couple grand Nov 16 13:05:54 ive pondered seriously about implementing the same kind of framework as windows user controls (activex without the network bit..) Nov 16 13:06:12 actually, no here's something I'd love to see: BeOS's widget set :) Nov 16 13:06:30 heh, i keep thinking about the workbench and magicui Nov 16 13:07:23 the very first thing I did with liqbase when I created it was made a tiny applet for drag creating rectangles and UI elements Nov 16 13:07:42 but i had no concept of classes or sketch files to save to Nov 16 13:07:50 so the code went on the cutting room floor for a while Nov 16 13:07:55 I'll throw out a couple ideas: fltk (it has fast and light in the *name* even :D ), haikuOS/BeOS widgets, or what about gnustep (but I guess that ties you to "Object Oriented C") Nov 16 13:08:21 johnx :) thanks Nov 16 13:08:46 can I get an object oriented c (objective c???) compiler? Nov 16 13:09:01 or would I have to generate my own Nov 16 13:09:17 you mean binaries? yes for native compiling on debian/ubuntu Nov 16 13:09:33 native on device Nov 16 13:09:38 so wish Stskeeps and I luck :) Nov 16 13:09:40 if i have an ide there i want to build from it Nov 16 13:10:47 johnx, i am watching you and sts rebuild the distro every day with a lot of interest :) i think its amazing to see the components go together and its giving me an appreciation of just what a linux system is composed of Nov 16 13:11:14 well thankfully we've got a sane base to work with Nov 16 13:11:39 johnx: 2.0.19-2 is your current one? Nov 16 13:11:42 i know that johnx, i picture you and sts standing in the matrix "give me code, lots of code" Nov 16 13:11:43 yes Nov 16 13:11:53 cos there's a -3 one, which i'll remove Nov 16 13:12:14 well mine would beed to be the only one, cause 1:2.0.19 is higher than 2.0.19 Nov 16 13:12:29 mm Nov 16 13:12:37 i Nov 16 13:12:38 but I'm going to fix things, replace the changelog with the right one, and re-upload after it compiles Nov 16 13:12:45 should be a couple hours Nov 16 13:12:53 k Nov 16 13:12:59 so maybe you should test this one if you want to and not add it to the repo Nov 16 13:13:20 fits me better adding to repo for now Nov 16 13:13:21 when I upload the next one I can just put it at -4 and make everything clean and sane Nov 16 13:13:26 your call Nov 16 13:13:28 k Nov 16 13:14:04 since it's a moving target we can blow up stuff as much as we want Nov 16 13:14:11 i have 3 day rollback of the repo so Nov 16 13:14:15 from my backup system Nov 16 13:14:28 ah, very nice Nov 16 13:15:49 freshmeat! Nov 16 13:16:02 im going trolling the depths and seeing what i can find Nov 16 13:16:05 lcuk, something like that, except with lots more time at the command line than they spent in the matrix :) Nov 16 13:16:33 maybe the tk from tcl/tk? Nov 16 13:16:48 im also still trying to work out which one of you is trinity Nov 16 13:17:37 >_< Nov 16 13:18:21 johnx: imho hildon desktop should depend on all things making it a DE, icons, etc Nov 16 13:18:53 hmm, do we want to do it in the binary package or maybe make a separate meta package? Nov 16 13:18:57 good question Nov 16 13:19:03 hildon-env maybe Nov 16 13:19:12 hildon-desktop-desktop-hildon Nov 16 13:19:15 its something that always annoys me with hildon on debian/ubuntu Nov 16 13:19:16 hehe Nov 16 13:19:19 hildon-desktop-env Nov 16 13:19:19 :P Nov 16 13:19:47 sure, we can rename later if we want to upload back up to debian Nov 16 13:22:05 flash count, 113mb, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/113mb.txt Nov 16 13:22:19 great! is that before compression or after? Nov 16 13:22:41 this is jffs2 compressed Nov 16 13:23:02 http://rafb.net/p/RLNusi67.html Nov 16 13:23:13 trying to add in hildon-desktop now Nov 16 13:23:16 still not bad at all Nov 16 13:23:49 i would be happier with 120 mb with hildon-desktop really Nov 16 13:23:51 so we'll see Nov 16 13:24:13 I keep picturing how to work aufs into this mix, but I can't see a sane way :/ Nov 16 13:24:47 dm-loop on vfat partition? Nov 16 13:24:50 dunno Nov 16 13:25:29 well just in terms of having upgrades installed to the flash and apps installed somewhere else leads to pain at an apt/dpkg level Nov 16 13:25:40 hildon-desktop: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90) Nov 16 13:25:41 ? Nov 16 13:26:09 hmm, I'll fix that too Nov 16 13:26:11 k Nov 16 13:26:35 wait, are you sure that's the right hildon-desktop? Nov 16 13:27:44 I think that's ubuntu's Nov 16 13:27:48 oh no, its that haxx0r Nov 16 13:27:59 do you have package pinning in place? Nov 16 13:28:19 hmm, lemme see Nov 16 13:28:20 lcuk, has "peer" struck again? Nov 16 13:28:40 hello to you too, lcuk :P Nov 16 13:28:46 true, it's ubuntu's Nov 16 13:28:50 how was pinning like again? Nov 16 13:28:54 i'll include it in the installer Nov 16 13:28:59 hiya qwerty, hows your sunday so far, mine is surprisingly sunny Nov 16 13:29:14 http://pastebin.com/m6904e4d1 Nov 16 13:29:42 lcuk, dark & cloudy down here :\ Nov 16 13:30:00 boo Nov 16 13:30:00 and this goes in what file? Nov 16 13:30:00 anyone know if theres an app that will not turn off the wifi connection if my tablet is connected to power? Nov 16 13:30:48 bradd, this is a desired feature - people are discussing making a profile based doofer for managing things like wifi brightness cpu etc Nov 16 13:30:51 bradd, check out dbus-scripts in conjunction with gconf Nov 16 13:31:27 bradd, sounds like you want acmonitor Nov 16 13:31:35 let me look.. Nov 16 13:31:51 qwerty12_N800, well, that would be the easy way. easy = cheating :P Nov 16 13:32:15 qwerty12_N800, wonderful.. that will do.. thanks Nov 16 13:32:26 johnx, easy methods ftw :P Nov 16 13:32:49 I was actually thinking about writing this, but since its already made i'm happy Nov 16 13:32:50 frontend to dbus-scripts would win Nov 16 13:32:59 does acmon do wifi as well? Nov 16 13:33:01 the one i had didnt Nov 16 13:33:28 lcuk, it pings google from time to time to keep the connection up Nov 16 13:33:37 ahhhh Nov 16 13:34:06 only when on power though Nov 16 13:34:21 neat sidestep :) Nov 16 13:34:30 johnx: installed.. calculating flash size Nov 16 13:34:56 did you get theme and such too? Nov 16 13:35:06 to get to your scrshot Nov 16 13:35:12 I installed plankton and matchbox I believe Nov 16 13:35:19 k Nov 16 13:35:22 but that screenshot isn't representative Nov 16 13:35:57 something odd is b0rken in some lower level xlib when run on the zaurus (pxa270) Nov 16 13:36:14 something that's really been a huge pain to track down Nov 16 13:39:35 * lcuk fixed his komodo configuration issue Nov 16 13:40:03 yay, more liqbase für us :P Nov 16 13:40:19 there will be actually, im specing out lots of things Nov 16 13:40:54 ive been using real paper this week and am making code notes about desirables and evaluating what worked and what didnt Nov 16 13:41:26 johnx: 114mb with hildon-desktop Nov 16 13:41:31 liqbase has basically nothing now :) its such a good thing to know im gonna rebuild it better Nov 16 13:41:33 no themes and suc yet Nov 16 13:41:33 hot sauce! Nov 16 13:42:45 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5593 Nov 15 03:04 liqbrain.c Nov 16 13:43:27 that means im still logged in with root doesnt it Nov 16 13:43:53 yes Nov 16 13:44:08 whoami Nov 16 13:44:10 ooooer Nov 16 13:44:14 you are johnx Nov 16 13:51:38 * Stskeeps ponders if the theme stuff will make it jump 40 mb..:P Nov 16 13:51:44 O_o Nov 16 13:52:03 kidding ofcourse, but wonder what impact it will be Nov 16 13:52:36 hildon-icons, where does people get that? Nov 16 13:53:06 hildon-sdk-icons I think? Nov 16 13:53:27 does anyone remember how to fix in maemo-mapper the inaccuracy of Google maps? at least in Beijing the Google maps are too inaccurate but on the other hand they have best coverage / details. Nov 16 13:53:45 johnx: nop, google doesn't know it Nov 16 13:54:14 ah, well it's in debian Nov 16 13:54:23 just "hildon-icons" Nov 16 13:54:26 http://packages.debian.org/sid/hildon-icons Nov 16 13:54:32 yeah.. just wondering where the upstream nokia one is Nov 16 13:55:26 the sdk ones are cc licenced. the ones with the nokia device aren't free to share Nov 16 13:57:56 ah, sdk-default-icons Nov 16 13:59:02 johnx: grabbing debian's one i guess Nov 16 13:59:22 for packages that aren't in trunk Debian's packages are best Nov 16 13:59:53 and since ubuntu has gone an entirely different direction if we ever want to merge upstream it would be with debian Nov 16 14:00:09 * johnx wants to avoid more forking Nov 16 14:00:57 *nod* Nov 16 14:02:22 * Stskeeps kinda likes mauku's "light screen and show update" Nov 16 14:02:30 makes me notice when there's something new Nov 16 14:02:53 ah, I should install mauku :) Nov 16 14:02:59 fools http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7731936.stm (this is really near me) Nov 16 14:03:34 lcuk, the car crash? :\ Nov 16 14:08:05 yeah Nov 16 14:08:26 they went down a 30 road at silly mph Nov 16 14:11:31 hmm Nov 16 14:11:34 was maemo firmware prelinked? Nov 16 14:12:20 nm, no prelink.cache in /etc :P Nov 16 14:12:40 could be interesting to try http://linux.die.net/man/8/prelink on some key executables Nov 16 14:14:36 * johnx crosses his fingers, pulls the trigger on a new build of hildon-desktop Nov 16 14:15:21 hehe Nov 16 14:15:55 * Stskeeps gets going on hildon-theme-plankton Nov 16 14:26:14 I'm a little confused about the 48 mhz kernel patch. is the speedup with my class 6 sdhc card noticable if I run the OS from flash? and is a precompiled kernel available for v4.2008.36-5 or will I need to compile my own? Nov 16 14:26:57 "is it noticeable?" depends a lot on what you do with files on your sd card Nov 16 14:27:43 oys, re 2nd question: http://outpo.st/rotate/kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200835maemo1rotationfast_all.deb Nov 16 14:30:51 johnx: http://rafb.net/p/YkknOn65.html Nov 16 14:31:05 (hildon-icons -> gnome-icon-theme (hicolor) Nov 16 14:32:08 hmm, patch maemo gtk to provide it? or hack the librsvg2-common package? Nov 16 14:33:44 think it's more sane to provide it i guess Nov 16 14:34:25 GeneralAntilles: pong Nov 16 14:34:32 was it you or me compilg it last time? Nov 16 14:34:35 (maemo-gtk) Nov 16 14:35:11 congrats jaffa :) Nov 16 14:35:22 ah, me Nov 16 14:35:24 you I think :) Nov 16 14:35:29 lcuk: ta :) Nov 16 14:35:31 the hard work was worth it :D or are they moving you from what you are good at Nov 16 14:35:58 Nah, same job. Just more money and the option of a company car. Nov 16 14:36:13 reasonable Nov 16 14:36:43 oh come on @ the top 10 posts, "boot in 5 seconds" Nov 16 14:37:32 the other top post is the "safety & politics" right? Nov 16 14:38:22 if I had to wait 5 seconds to resume from suspend-to-RAM I'd claw my brains out. what is with micro-optimizations of the exception "cold-boot" case? Nov 16 14:38:54 i think my s2ram was really along the lines of 2 secs really Nov 16 14:39:15 it was like same time taking to activate mce power button Nov 16 14:39:23 GeneralAntilles: I thought one of the nokians had updated the rtcomm stuff into maemo-extras? Nov 16 14:39:27 GeneralAntilles: maybe I'm wrong Nov 16 14:44:24 johnx: 114mb after hildon-theme-cacher and hildon-theme-plankton Nov 16 14:44:51 well we might stay under 120MB after all Nov 16 14:44:58 that would be pretty incredible Nov 16 14:45:21 it would certainly make me happy Nov 16 14:46:52 and if we count on 50% compression rate like there is currently, we have what, 279mb free for docs and apps? Nov 16 14:47:22 well some thing compress and some don't Nov 16 14:48:05 you two sound like the engineers of the apollo 13 mission "gotta keep the reboot under 120 amps Nov 16 14:48:35 yeah Nov 16 14:49:12 but yes, another 200MB+ for user apps sounds totally reasonable Nov 16 14:50:06 and in practice user apps are the only thing that need to be on the internal flash Nov 16 14:50:18 and those compress well so, yeah, that seems good Nov 16 14:50:42 anyone expecting that they can fit 200MB of JPGs and AVIs on there will be in for a rude surprise though :D Nov 16 14:50:56 is it possible to supply the base boot from mmc type functionality into this Nov 16 14:51:29 without people having to become console ninjas Nov 16 14:52:33 in your opinion, is the deblet installer easy enough? or were you looking for something simpler? Nov 16 14:53:11 * Stskeeps thinks it would be a flashable image for users really Nov 16 14:53:20 and then a control panel allowing you to clone or something Nov 16 14:53:35 yes Stskeeps exactly Nov 16 14:53:56 im used to being able to insert a disk and formatting it and marking bootable Nov 16 14:54:28 well partitioning and formatting is usually the hardest part Nov 16 14:54:30 from there a gui app could have clone to bootable : and list any partitions it finds Nov 16 14:54:53 didnt penguinbait just relase something like this Nov 16 14:55:04 yeah, and ruined multiboot for everyone else Nov 16 14:55:53 whoosh, i didnt look at the specifics Nov 16 14:56:14 but this multiboot is part of the proposal so Nov 16 14:56:19 i dont know the mechanics of booting from mmc or the complexities Nov 16 14:56:44 i just know its desirable and people want to do it Nov 16 14:56:51 they know the internal flash wont last forever Nov 16 14:57:10 heh, it would be nice to use the mmc like old amiga disks Nov 16 14:57:19 but it really will... Nov 16 14:57:22 i used to boot from my dev floppy when i wanted to do stuff Nov 16 14:57:34 or a different one for gaming Nov 16 14:57:48 it put me in the right frame of mind :) Nov 16 14:58:09 then i got a harddrive :D Nov 16 14:58:22 the good old days aren't what they used to be :P Nov 16 14:58:42 and I'll be terribly happy to see the death of mechanical storage Nov 16 14:58:50 johnx, but the good old days were more focused Nov 16 14:59:07 yes, and there was less potential Nov 16 14:59:34 * johnx digs up a great essay for you to read :D Nov 16 14:59:48 heh not now Nov 16 14:59:50 goin skiing Nov 16 14:59:57 it's fine, bookmark it for later Nov 16 15:00:03 it's titled "the past sucks" :D Nov 16 15:00:12 amen Nov 16 15:00:39 "the past" had smoother graphics than now Nov 16 15:00:53 0000000_oooooooo Nov 16 15:01:30 the future will have even smoother graphics Nov 16 15:01:35 of course Nov 16 15:01:46 but i have a handheld device here which *can* do it now Nov 16 15:02:07 multiboot will not make graphics smoother Nov 16 15:02:20 no lol Nov 16 15:02:35 but its just another tihng which "the past" could do Nov 16 15:05:11 finally, here it is: http://web.archive.org/web/19970108031014/www.coupland.com/story7.htm Nov 16 15:05:37 the irony... a archived copy Nov 16 15:06:08 well it's from 1996 :D Nov 16 15:06:24 it gets better with time as we get to laugh at all the awesome new tech he talks about Nov 16 15:06:35 s/1996/1995/ Nov 16 15:07:28 :D Nov 16 15:08:19 even though its our past its the future from the past sucks guys perspective so it must be full of awesome Nov 16 15:08:56 it is. I have a handheld more powerful than his laptop for 1/10 the price that runs for 10 hours on a charge Nov 16 15:16:23 * Stskeeps ponders to storm with some more bugs since #3858 isn't getting any love so far Nov 16 15:16:51 which brings me to the philosophical question: does every bug report deserve an honest answer? Nov 16 15:18:18 Every bug is special. Nov 16 15:40:07 Stskeeps, well a couple hours have passed and I now have a sane hiidon-desktop. unfortunately it's also a "19-2" after fixing the changelog. *sighs* Nov 16 15:40:28 should I just bump one more time to 19-3? Nov 16 15:42:38 sane as it in actually shows correctly or? Nov 16 15:42:46 yeah, 19-3 is fine Nov 16 15:43:01 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035635.html Nov 16 15:43:03 oh boy Nov 16 15:43:19 not on zaurus, and I can't test on n800 or qemu right now. but sane as in the versions, deps and changelog are "right" Nov 16 15:43:38 ah Nov 16 15:44:14 (read that post btw) Nov 16 15:44:54 yeah, that's icky Nov 16 15:45:51 I think we'll see an increase in patent trolling in the short term as software/business practice patents are coming under more scrutiny in the US Nov 16 15:46:00 *nod* Nov 16 15:46:30 so companies want to make their money through settlements before their patents turn to pumpkins Nov 16 15:46:43 my goal of tonight is recompiling maemo gtk and experimenting with how big a flash hildon-icons adds Nov 16 15:47:11 alright, and now that I have everything up to hildon-desktop I'll try getting a semi-usable desktop up on the n800 Nov 16 15:47:35 want my latest installer tar.gz? Nov 16 15:47:37 actually Nov 16 15:47:42 i'll just check it into svn Nov 16 15:47:46 that would be great Nov 16 15:48:11 I'm going to re-upload 19-2 for now, and I'll run the re-package again as I head to sleep. I'd like to be able to actually use my machines for some non-compiling purpose for a couple hours :) Nov 16 15:50:14 http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer/ Nov 16 15:50:15 k Nov 16 16:31:10 looks like there's a bug with mouse release events in xorg tslib. Nov 16 16:31:19 yeah, meiz was talking about that Nov 16 16:31:33 got a fix from debian :) Nov 16 16:31:36 k Nov 16 16:31:37 patch/release coming soon Nov 16 16:32:33 sounds good Nov 16 16:32:55 i'm compilin' away Nov 16 16:33:05 what package now? Nov 16 16:33:25 maemo-gtk Nov 16 16:33:37 with make -j4 though Nov 16 16:33:57 so we can install hildon-icons Nov 16 16:34:03 what was the changes in the latest one you uploaded? Nov 16 16:34:15 maemo-gtk? hildon-desktop? Nov 16 16:34:18 h-d Nov 16 16:34:46 cleaning up the way I applied the debian packaging Nov 16 16:34:55 k Nov 16 16:35:40 it fixed a couple dep bugs, has the right changelog and (nokia's instead of debian's) and is "1:2.0.19-2" again Nov 16 16:35:55 k - then i will just do the switcheroo in the repo Nov 16 16:36:21 thanks. I'm so sick of waiting for that same package to recompile and get its docs back together Nov 16 16:36:29 yeah Nov 16 16:36:53 why not do DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nodocs though? Nov 16 16:36:56 i did tha :P Nov 16 16:37:00 debian's package doesn't have it Nov 16 16:37:24 I could add it, but that's one more thing to go wrong Nov 16 16:38:09 ah Nov 16 16:41:51 added to repo Nov 16 16:42:26 thanks. I'll keep my versions correct from now on Nov 16 16:44:53 hey, i seem to have a bug when i type an email in hebrew with the on-screen keyboard. the e-mail program crashes. where do i report that bug? Nov 16 16:45:55 bugs.maemo.org i believe Nov 16 16:46:53 you think anyone will handle it? Nov 16 16:47:10 well the hebrew thing was part of the OS or not? Nov 16 16:48:00 and the e-mail program shouldn't crash at international input Nov 16 16:48:53 its the hebrew package.... Nov 16 16:48:56 not sure what repository it comes from Nov 16 16:49:08 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/him-hebrew/ Nov 16 16:51:31 still, it shouldn't crash at international input :P Nov 16 16:51:33 try reporting it anyway Nov 16 17:01:32 Meiz_n810: johnx ran into the clicking problem too btw Nov 16 17:01:32 maybe its bidi... there was a simular bug in nautilus when copying multiple files in hebrew only Nov 16 17:02:10 Allright, at the second i am reflashing my n810, you guys upload hildon-desktop and make world littlebit better. Nov 16 17:02:27 Meiz_n810: hehe.. still some small issues to go Nov 16 17:02:29 Meiz_n810, have a fix for mouse events coming up too :) Nov 16 17:02:46 It looks like xorg does not work really well with tslib Nov 16 17:02:50 :( Nov 16 17:03:18 define "not well" Nov 16 17:03:42 there is probably more than one problem with things as they are :) Nov 16 17:03:53 :) Nov 16 17:04:07 i still think it's amazing to have xorg and not some kdrive thing Nov 16 17:04:08 :P Nov 16 17:04:54 yep Nov 16 17:05:13 What advantage does xorg have? Nov 16 17:05:27 input support Nov 16 17:05:30 can i get wlan working? for now it is the only reason i have to chroot... Nov 16 17:05:53 hm Nov 16 17:05:54 input support? Nov 16 17:06:01 ShadowJK_, more of it :) Nov 16 17:06:03 mouse works Nov 16 17:06:14 Meiz_n810: yeah, i'll make some nonfree hack at some point Nov 16 17:06:16 for firmware tc Nov 16 17:06:18 johnx, what's missing in kdrive? Nov 16 17:06:40 * Stskeeps ponders if xinerama is possible.. :> Nov 16 17:07:05 ShadowJK_: you can not use "real" mouse. Nov 16 17:07:23 No support for normal mice? Nov 16 17:07:48 I've had mouse pointer appear and stick until reboot once... Nov 16 17:08:10 I think the HAL patch might be interfering with the button release patch :/ we can always re-add HAL support later Nov 16 17:08:18 But I guess if it doesn't know how to read /dev/input/mice :( Nov 16 17:11:55 m-r console just started asking me a password Nov 16 17:12:19 right, i forgot to add passwd and securetty in installer Nov 16 17:13:41 passwd is installed Nov 16 17:14:00 back to chroot Nov 16 17:14:16 and now back to m-r Nov 16 17:16:25 johnx: does the keyboard work in xorg? Nov 16 17:16:41 i remember i was unable to type anything in gdm Nov 16 17:16:42 I honestly have no idea. it does on my zaurus though Nov 16 17:16:50 likely a HAL thing Nov 16 17:17:01 ok Nov 16 17:21:04 If i force-architecture tablet-hw-n8x0-non-free and install wlan-firmware, should i be able to connect open wlan somehow? Nov 16 17:21:31 mm, somewhat Nov 16 17:21:41 you're probably better off waiting for me :) Nov 16 17:28:10 rotated framebuffers are funny. always strange to see the screen refresh from left to right :) Nov 16 17:28:19 Does sshfs explicitly need openssh-client? Nov 16 17:28:20 strange.. the bug stoped.. and it happened twice. Nov 16 17:31:03 anyone knows what gtk event i can use to track a stylus/finger drag? Nov 16 17:47:30 hello all! Nov 16 17:51:15 I'am having a serious problem with my tablet: it keeps rebooting (memory card corrupted or not fomated). I am trying to reflash it (I'm using Linux), but bash says: Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted Nov 16 17:51:23 Any idea , anyone? Nov 16 17:51:31 what exact flash command do you use? Nov 16 17:51:33 prefix the command with sudo Nov 16 17:51:43 become root i guess, yepp Nov 16 17:52:23 Alright, I'll try that! Nov 16 17:57:04 Holly mackerel, it was ONLY that ('tis about my fourth reflashing, and I still can't learn how to do it properly?!?). Many thanks, andre__ & qwerty12! Nov 16 17:57:48 there's a wiki page describing it :-P Nov 16 17:58:48 but this page IS MY BIBLE, andre__! Here's the sadness in it! Even though I read VERY carefully everytime, theres still something I miss! Nov 16 17:59:20
Is there a simple command to add a file to the media player's current playlist? Nov 16 18:00:02
thinking I'd like gpodder to enqueue, at least sometimes Nov 16 18:06:06 evening. Nov 16 18:06:49 Had a rather annoying GPS-event in the weekend, with my BGT-31. The UI *completely* locked up. Was impossible to turn off at all, and battery can not be removed. Nov 16 18:07:02 But now, it ran out of batteries - and is om again. Nov 16 18:07:11 ugh. wrong channel. Nov 16 18:07:30 lol Nov 16 18:07:38 * johnx makes a note to stay away from the BGT-31 Nov 16 18:07:58 * qwerty12 googles BGT-31 and realises I'd never want to buy it anyway :P Nov 16 18:08:06 I don't really trust things without an off switch anyways Nov 16 18:08:30 but it's always funny when I "crash" me bt headphones while testing Nov 16 18:08:32 * disco_stu copies from his irc mates Nov 16 18:08:41 same crap happens with other receivers as well Nov 16 18:09:24 holux 240 is like that as well - had to return it after it went nuts Nov 16 18:10:28 qwerty12: I kind of like it enough to give it another try :) Nov 16 18:11:08 i.e. it's damned good for my use :) Nov 16 18:11:17 :). I have no need for a GPS anyway at the moment so I'm just rambling :/ Nov 16 18:11:46 can never have enough GPSes. Nov 16 18:12:04 I need more of them, so I can lend out to others that can track their hiking trips etc ;) Nov 16 18:12:27 Veggen: would you lend me one ? Nov 16 18:13:03 disco: if you were in my area, and was gonna go on a trip I wanted the track from, definitely. Nov 16 18:13:19 lol Nov 16 18:13:35 Veggen: so, what do you do with those others while you are tracking them on their hiking trip? Nov 16 18:13:53 * qwerty12 goes to Norway, gets Veggen to lend me one, goes on a "trip" back to London :p Nov 16 18:13:53 are you a stalker ? Nov 16 18:14:00 lol Nov 16 18:14:02 disco_stu: nah, I'm a mapper ;) Nov 16 18:14:13 is cannibalism involved? =) Nov 16 18:14:22 www.openstreetmap.org Nov 16 18:14:23 Veggen: i can map you argentina if you lend me one Nov 16 18:14:28 s/you/for you/ Nov 16 18:14:28 disco_stu meant: Veggen: i can map for you argentina if you lend me one Nov 16 18:14:54 disco_stu: If you promised to map all of Argentina and stood by it, I'd *donate* one ;) Nov 16 18:15:01 heck, I might even donate several. Nov 16 18:16:10 is a huge country :) Nov 16 18:16:27 well, then you have a lot of work to do Nov 16 18:16:29 :D Nov 16 18:16:34 lol Nov 16 18:18:50 hey, does anyone know where i can download tango (gps) for nokia n810? Nov 16 18:19:36 Veggen: www.proyectomapear.com.ar Nov 16 18:19:49 Veggen: the whole country mapped Nov 16 18:19:58 open source work Nov 16 18:20:01 Hrm, is there a command that shows me the dependencies of a module? Nov 16 18:20:46 Oh, I'm blind, modinfo :) Nov 16 18:21:24 but you'll have to follow it recursively if you want the whole tree Nov 16 18:21:44 disco_stu: hmm. Is that a Garmin-map only project? My spanish is non-existing, virtually... Nov 16 18:21:46 Sure, It's only smbfs. I only had to trace it once back to nls_base :) Nov 16 18:22:39 Veggen: its only for garmin Nov 16 18:22:44 :( Nov 16 18:23:03 hmmf..and also non-commercial, says the license. Nov 16 18:23:03 in my n800 is so slow to open garmin maps Nov 16 18:23:20 and also only for personal use. Nov 16 18:23:26 El Usuario es libre de utilizar el Software, copiarlo y distribuirlo en forma gratuita, siempre para uso individual y no comercial. Nov 16 18:23:50 too bad. Nov 16 18:24:09 but we are in argentina Nov 16 18:24:17 lol Nov 16 18:24:29 we dont care, we break every law or license Nov 16 18:24:35 disco: I would not call the "open source"-work, tho. Nov 16 18:24:44 so if someone breaks one we dont care Nov 16 18:25:01 but something like that could never be part of a real international free software project Nov 16 18:25:21 disco: Well. I wouldn't rip it off to put it into www.openstreetmap.org, cause someone could eventually care, and I would probably have destroyed and caused all Argentina to have to be ripped out again. Nov 16 18:25:34 (even the contributions made after, because it could be derived from etc) Nov 16 18:25:53 i would love to have arg in thah repo :'( Nov 16 18:26:05 disco_stu: Get a GPS and start on it? ;) Nov 16 18:26:49 maybe i would ask that people to change the license Nov 16 18:27:19 there's some coverage on Argentina in it, though. Nov 16 18:27:37 er - doesn't anyone here use tango gps? Nov 16 18:27:59 Veggen: tomorrow google street maps get available for arg Nov 16 18:28:11 we are so excited ! Nov 16 18:28:25 disco_stu: google streetmaps are not free either. Nov 16 18:28:58 Veggen: but i can use them on my n800, wich is my need right now Nov 16 18:31:21 Guysoft42, if anyone did, they would have answered the first time Nov 16 18:33:08 guysoft42 what is tango for ? Nov 16 18:35:01 Veggen: how much costs a gps to you ? in usd dollars Nov 16 18:37:01 What the fuck is wrong with my n810 Nov 16 18:37:18 debootstrap naggs about corrupted relese file Nov 16 18:37:22 disco_stu: depends, but one that you could use with the n800 would cost around $100 for a decent one that has other functions than to relay GPS-info realtime to the n8100. Nov 16 18:37:27 eh, the n800. Nov 16 18:37:59 double it for a decent one that you can log data and mark waypoints with.. Nov 16 18:38:18 Meizirkki, run dmesg and see if something's up with your sd card? Nov 16 18:38:23 double it again for a good Garmin w/color screen and possibility to use maps etc :) Nov 16 18:38:57 Meizirkki, segfault again? Nov 16 18:39:03 no Nov 16 18:39:20 This time it gone insane another way Nov 16 18:39:32 hm? Nov 16 18:41:27 everything was slow, up and down keys was not usable in terminal, etc... Nov 16 18:41:38 Jaffa, would the English translations of the categories qualify as your work? Nov 16 18:41:55 Robot101, well, they uploaded some of them, but not all of the dependencies are there, so it's not actually installable. Nov 16 18:44:16 Meizirkki, in maemo or m-r? Nov 16 18:46:41 wb Nov 16 18:48:22 debootstrap never worked when booted from internal mmc, but not the one in flash stopped working Nov 16 18:49:23 and there's nothing interesting in dmesg? Nov 16 18:49:37 weird, md5sum is in /bin? Nov 16 18:49:46 wait... Nov 16 18:49:58 StsN800, could be needed in early bootup? Nov 16 18:50:40 im not sure what the main problem is:P Nov 16 18:56:48 Is qole really that thick? Nov 16 18:56:59 eh? Nov 16 18:57:09 sure he's not qoling? :D Nov 16 18:57:09 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242424&postcount=122 Nov 16 18:57:23 watch out, he watches logs ;) Nov 16 18:57:54 StsN800 . . . lol. Nov 16 18:58:08 I was so hoping you guys were gonna throw down. Nov 16 18:58:39 no time to flame, must hack Nov 16 18:59:33 I can only imagine trolling through logs to find places where people have said potentially negative things about you then confronting them about it. Nov 16 19:00:07 I'm sure it was just incidental to reviewing the logs, but the way he approached you about it. . . . Nov 16 19:00:11 I should really go further and defend anyone with the same nick as me :D Nov 16 19:00:30 StsN800, my finger moved to the kick key after he said that. <_< Nov 16 19:01:05 GeneralAntilles, meh - fair is fair, i'm a little blunt at times and i got what i deserved Nov 16 19:01:54 I think my karma's stuck. . . . Nov 16 19:03:05 Woo, first patch for the open source wifi driver Nov 16 19:05:27 my root partition is being mounted read only.. i have no clue why. is there anyway to force it RW? Nov 16 19:05:39 root partition on a card? Nov 16 19:05:50 GeneralAntilles, yes internal card Nov 16 19:05:54 ext3 Nov 16 19:05:57 N810? Nov 16 19:06:00 n800 Nov 16 19:06:07 Is the card corrupted? Nov 16 19:06:13 you should try and run fsck on it Nov 16 19:06:20 i don't believe so, the second partition mounts fine Nov 16 19:06:24 i'll check it Nov 16 19:06:40 Partitions can become corrupted independently of each other. Nov 16 19:06:48 hmm i don't have fsck.ext3 installed Nov 16 19:06:51 Out of interest, what brand is the card? Nov 16 19:06:59 e2fsprogs Nov 16 19:07:09 pny Nov 16 19:07:23 i probably can't install it since it's read only.. Nov 16 19:07:55 ah, you're booting from SD? Nov 16 19:07:59 yes Nov 16 19:08:10 so it's obviously not that messed up Nov 16 19:08:12 dmesg | tail Nov 16 19:08:28 ^anything obviously strange in that^ Nov 16 19:09:37 just "EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled" Nov 16 19:09:48 not sure what that's about Nov 16 19:09:53 that's normal Nov 16 19:09:54 well, the remount probably happened a while ago :/ Nov 16 19:10:07 I would try and boot to flash, install e2fsprogs and check it Nov 16 19:10:22 ok i'll try that Nov 16 19:10:27 it could be some other problem, but it's nice to eliminate fs corruption first Nov 16 19:13:03 wb Meiz_n810 Nov 16 19:13:18 Meiz_n810: another cause of corrupted can also be that you didn't have anything in /mnt/deblet mounted Nov 16 19:13:44 huh.. i just did a reboot from a root shell and everything is fine now.. does the power button not do a full reboot? Nov 16 19:13:44 i had Nov 16 19:14:19 gentooer, not if the charger is in Nov 16 19:14:20 gentooer, check your fs for corruption :P Nov 16 19:14:54 yeah i'm installing e2fsprogs now Nov 16 19:14:59 good :) Nov 16 19:15:34 johnx: mr1 up Nov 16 19:15:37 of maemo-gtk Nov 16 19:15:45 great Nov 16 19:15:57 I'll put up a new screenshot of hildon-desktop in a sec Nov 16 19:16:01 k Nov 16 19:16:05 you got it to be more shinier? Nov 16 19:16:08 Who can we get to slap together a DE/user switcher for use on boot? Nov 16 19:16:33 gdm will work "out of the box" Nov 16 19:17:00 but we're not anywhere near that stage yet :P Nov 16 19:17:07 even though gdm is not the most lightweight ;) Nov 16 19:17:10 Alright, so the question is actually. "Who will make GDM shiny and sweet"? Nov 16 19:17:19 the world really needs a lightweight dm that looks sane Nov 16 19:17:27 johnx, I'm a dreamer. ;) Nov 16 19:17:29 no one. the people who want to use it prefer to use desktop apps Nov 16 19:17:54 gpe-dm is close to sane Nov 16 19:19:07 what isn't sane of it though? Nov 16 19:19:15 (is it GTK?) Nov 16 19:19:19 well it's not shiny Nov 16 19:19:32 and it's actually missing a DE switcher Nov 16 19:19:41 ah Nov 16 19:19:51 but it's lightweight and has a method for having an embedded keyboard Nov 16 19:20:01 s/embedded/embedded onscreen/ Nov 16 19:20:02 johnx meant: but it's lightweight and has a method for having an embedded onscreen keyboard Nov 16 19:24:46 johnx, how come its not available - they seem to mention it in the homepage of tangogps :-S . and open moko user use it.. Nov 16 19:24:57 disco_stu, tango is a gps program Nov 16 19:25:20 Guysoft42, you're asking me why a program I don't use isn't available? Nov 16 19:33:33 johnx, i am asking - you dont have to answer :-) . Nov 16 19:33:52 I'm just wondering why you're asking me specifically? Nov 16 19:34:15 johnx, you are welcome to advise on another. i am just trying to find a mapping program that works for my county. the thing is that the opem moko user i talked to recommended tangogps Nov 16 19:34:17 johnx: flash count with hildon-icons and such on Nov 16 19:34:37 guysoft422: maemo mapper can take a wide range of online mapping services Nov 16 19:34:42 johnx: +comingup Nov 16 19:35:09 Stskeeps, great, grabbing hildon-icons in a sec, then I'll put up screenshots Nov 16 19:36:25 Just reflashed... I hope debootstrap works noe... Nov 16 19:36:27 does it use Openstreetmap? Nov 16 19:36:31 *now Nov 16 19:37:08 Guysoft42, it uses openstreetmap, or google maps, and some other services too Nov 16 19:37:30 johnx, allright, thatks :) Nov 16 19:38:05 anybody knows how to track finger/stylus drag in maemo? Nov 16 19:38:26 gtk motion event does not seem to work Nov 16 19:38:40 johnx, if you want me to talk about mamo-mapper, it does not seem to detect my gps .. does it need to point to /dev/pgps? or the gpsd at 127.0.0.1? Nov 16 19:38:58 I actually don't have a GPS :) Nov 16 19:39:47 Guysoft42, set it to bluetooth (yes, even if you are using n810 internal gps) Nov 16 19:42:04 qwerty12-N800, that might solve the problem :-) .. should i put anything else there? Nov 16 19:42:11 johnx: 123mb Nov 16 19:42:23 ah, well, pretty close still Nov 16 19:42:23 not 100% accurate though, going to reinstall image Nov 16 19:43:09 Guysoft42, nope, leave the textbox next to the bluetooth blank :) Nov 16 19:48:08 qwerty12-N800, right, ill try that next time i have wifi and a clear view of the sky Nov 16 19:48:36 qwerty12-N800, or is there a way to force it to download maps now? Nov 16 19:49:07 no idea, i don't use maemo mapper Nov 16 19:49:37 yeah, qwerty doesn't get out of the house after we made him hack in a cage for our profit Nov 16 19:49:40 :P Nov 16 19:50:07 um, anyone else knows maybe? Nov 16 19:50:08 :p Nov 16 19:50:26 guysoft422: search internettablettalk.com/forums for it Nov 16 19:50:31 ~curse initfs for wanting programs in big endian Nov 16 19:50:31 there's a comprehensive guide somewhere Nov 16 19:50:32 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, initfs for wanting programs in big endian ! Nov 16 19:50:53 why in big endian? Nov 16 19:50:56 Force what to download maps? Nov 16 19:50:57 uclibc? :P Nov 16 19:50:59 Maemo Mapper? Nov 16 19:51:01 GeneralAntilles: caching maps in MM Nov 16 19:51:10 Just center up the area that you want in your view and download away. . . . Nov 16 19:51:41 johnx: i think there's some good candidates for alternate dependancies.. Nov 16 19:51:46 This is my recommendation to anybody and everybody with questions about Maemo Mapper: take 15 minutes and browse through the menu options. Everything you need is there. :) Nov 16 19:51:49 whatever depends on pciutils, for intance. Nov 16 19:52:11 i mean, i would love a pci slot at the edge of my tablet, but.. :P Nov 16 19:53:01 and the things making initramsfs's Nov 16 19:54:00 ok, seriously, the white screen of death on wiki is just too ironic. it is definately a 770 running it. Nov 16 19:54:07 heh Nov 16 19:54:19 openmoko phones apparently have some software related WSoD as well Nov 16 19:54:36 i can't take openmoko seriously after seeing one of them in action Nov 16 19:54:40 Do they really? Nov 16 19:54:41 Ha Nov 16 19:55:18 Stskeeps, software problem or hardware? Nov 16 19:55:46 i'm not sure which honestly, but we were trying out the moko equivalent of bluemaemo Nov 16 19:56:04 and i've never seen such a unresponsive and slow interface, and connectivity Nov 16 19:56:35 and not really strong processor either Nov 16 19:56:57 hm, reading up on it, it should really be stronger than it appeared.. Nov 16 19:57:43 * Stskeeps waits for debootstrap Nov 16 19:58:07 some kind of memory bus problem Nov 16 19:58:08 does bluemaemo work at all? Nov 16 19:58:10 johnx: aren't we quite close to actual base system? missing MCE and DSME, but besides that Nov 16 19:58:15 RST38bis: yeah, it was decent Nov 16 19:58:34 johnx: (or OHM) Nov 16 19:58:49 Stskeeps, I think so Nov 16 19:58:50 didn't work for me - host does not find it Nov 16 19:59:01 johnx: for that i think we'll use powerlaunch (MCE) Nov 16 19:59:11 well, powered Nov 16 19:59:19 someone could use bluemaemo in Linux ? Nov 16 19:59:48 new screenshots: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktopxwd.png Nov 16 19:59:52 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png Nov 16 20:00:12 that first one is awesome cause I posted one that looks exactly like it 9 months ago :) Nov 16 20:00:32 johnx: is sapwood running? Nov 16 20:00:40 yes Nov 16 20:00:46 it's working fine too Nov 16 20:01:11 the first one is under same session as the secon? Nov 16 20:01:14 Shit, i am out of all fun :( Nov 16 20:01:29 i have now reflashed three times Nov 16 20:01:30 nope Nov 16 20:01:33 nothing helps Nov 16 20:01:38 first one was before icons Nov 16 20:01:42 johnx: ah! Nov 16 20:01:52 Meiz_n810: reinstalled deblet installer too? Nov 16 20:01:55 try soldering iron! Nov 16 20:02:15 johnx: and this is on n800? Nov 16 20:02:18 interesting side note: hildon-desktop is pretty crashy if it's missing its icons Nov 16 20:02:18 or aurus Nov 16 20:02:23 if i reflash, it means i have to install deblet-installer again... Nov 16 20:02:28 Stskeeps, n800 (note 800x480) :) Nov 16 20:03:08 johnx: bloody glad we made it to this point Nov 16 20:03:19 Stskeeps, thanks ill have a lok Nov 16 20:03:21 look* Nov 16 20:03:49 another question - is there a simple way to set up usb network over linux and the device, so i can sync gpe ? Nov 16 20:03:59 Stskeeps, yeah :D this time it feels like we have a sane base to work with Nov 16 20:04:16 unlike the last time I was at this point with all sorts of weird hacks that I didn't even remember Nov 16 20:04:42 Guysoft42, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Nov 16 20:04:48 this with "my" installer, btw? Nov 16 20:05:14 yes, but I ended up installing addition packages so the disk usage isn't representative Nov 16 20:05:16 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I guess so. Nov 16 20:05:22 johnx: k Nov 16 20:05:23 * johnx can't live without rsync/screen Nov 16 20:05:26 hehe Nov 16 20:06:06 i think i'll wait for my debootstrap and then bait some attention from nokia Nov 16 20:06:23 ah, screen.. you saved me so many times... Nov 16 20:06:48 johnx: but these screenshots definately belongs on hall of fame on the jaiku channel :) Nov 16 20:06:55 so should be posted for logging Nov 16 20:07:15 locales worked out of the box? Nov 16 20:07:28 they're somewhat there :/ Nov 16 20:07:37 I had to locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8 Nov 16 20:07:42 fine, same with me Nov 16 20:07:49 and even so only some of the strings are converted Nov 16 20:08:06 feel free to add that to the installer so it does that Nov 16 20:08:10 installer copies in xorg.conf as well so Nov 16 20:08:15 also hildon-desktop is somewhat crashy. might just be an artifact of it being pulled from trunk Nov 16 20:08:40 where would the ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb go? somewhere in udev scripts I guess? Nov 16 20:08:40 maybe cos of lack of sound devices Nov 16 20:08:50 johnx: think it's a udev script somewhere Nov 16 20:09:27 we really ought to recompile so it looks for /dev/fb0 instead though Nov 16 20:10:56 johnx: atleast this is a fairly portable maemo base Nov 16 20:11:54 Jaffa, OK, GPLv2 acceptable for the license then? ;) Nov 16 20:11:54 now we can slowly start showing off, i guess, - gparted running without anything but hildonization, etc :P Nov 16 20:12:26 I finally have a reason to learn basic hildonization techniques (!) Nov 16 20:12:39 hehe Nov 16 20:12:49 and no more excuses Nov 16 20:13:27 * qwerty12-N800 learnt the basics the other day, even I could do it :/ Nov 16 20:13:53 I guess I'm just a better procrastinator then :D Nov 16 20:14:25 we need hildon-input-method and friends too i guess Nov 16 20:14:38 johnx, you don't know me with homework :P Nov 16 20:14:53 qwerty12-N800, been there, done that :P Nov 16 20:15:01 http://v1.moblin.org/toolkits/basicDevGuides/simpleApp/toolkits_DevGds_simpleApp_GTKApp.php Nov 16 20:15:08 seems simple enough Nov 16 20:15:10 I guess we do have the example h-i-m to use Nov 16 20:15:29 yeah Nov 16 20:15:55 this time I think we should avoid closed source stuff at an app level Nov 16 20:16:53 GeneralAntilles: yeah :) Nov 16 20:17:03 * qwerty12-N800 finally fixes that bug where that initfs mod doesn't show more than 5 digits. damn, i've got to learn proper shell scripting Nov 16 20:17:14 johnx: i think it's possible to have flash in this thing too though Nov 16 20:17:17 now that we have maemo-gtk Nov 16 20:17:45 but for now our target is the "open" base and find out where we can't exist without closed source stuff Nov 16 20:18:21 ok, so time for hildon-input-method :) Nov 16 20:18:59 I think I'll get back to compiling on my n800. the zaurus is just too slow for this O_o Nov 16 20:19:16 hehe Nov 16 20:19:24 we should get sb2 going at some point too i guess Nov 16 20:20:44 even though the opposite direction of qemu and distcc surprisingly works well Nov 16 20:21:40 it fought with scim/anthy (JP input) last time I tried it, so I need to try bootstrapping again Nov 16 20:21:50 qemu, not sb2 Nov 16 20:22:05 ah Nov 16 20:22:54 think where it works best is having a huge rootstrap with -dev and everything installed, with not that many "fancy" packages on top as the emulation isn't 100% solid Nov 16 20:23:46 well basically, I couldn't get input into the console because scim was trying to be too clever Nov 16 20:23:51 sts: first thing to remenber about rootstrap: Nov 16 20:24:02 Stskeeps, johnx: do you have armv6el rootfs tar.gz somewhere? If not, i can use qoles one. Nov 16 20:24:16 do not, DO NOT include TeX Nov 16 20:24:36 Meiz_n810, sorry, I just installed a huge amount of stuff :/ Nov 16 20:25:03 no, really, you won't believe it but people do not need tex and docinfo tools Nov 16 20:25:11 No problem, i will use qoles :) Nov 16 20:25:22 Meiz_n810: look in /debootstrap/debootstrap.log on your debootstrap target and tell me if something suspicious tis there Nov 16 20:25:40 RST38bis: aw, but latex is cute =P Nov 16 20:25:51 Stskeeps:ok Nov 16 20:26:03 sts: so keep it in your bed or something Nov 16 20:26:07 hehe Nov 16 20:26:13 Stskeeps, steady on! :P Nov 16 20:26:33 I am also not sure if dev lib versions are necessary Nov 16 20:26:51 RST38bis: you're hereby in charge of developing the sdk Nov 16 20:26:51 :P Nov 16 20:26:53 too large, may be better off as an option Nov 16 20:27:20 sts: ok, how much per hour? =) Nov 16 20:27:25 hehe Nov 16 20:27:50 good man, i said the same the other day to someone who expected i'd do several hours of computer work for free that isn't part of my volunteer work at the dorm Nov 16 20:27:54 :P Nov 16 20:28:50 i think i just really need to get my hands dirty with sb2 though Nov 16 20:29:51 tex is included in Fremantle Nov 16 20:29:55 .. Nov 16 20:30:11 i mean, i wouldn't mind stuff like LyX on tablet, but. Nov 16 20:30:11 :P Nov 16 20:30:33 who was the genius asking about md5sum? Nov 16 20:30:38 <- Nov 16 20:30:39 thats it Nov 16 20:30:42 told you Nov 16 20:30:42 :p Nov 16 20:30:52 where can i get it? Nov 16 20:31:02 run deblet installer but dont make it install Nov 16 20:31:07 (press cancel a couple of types) Nov 16 20:31:09 times Nov 16 20:31:24 okk Nov 16 20:32:35 johnx: we so need to get splash working.. :P Nov 16 20:32:38 as well Nov 16 20:32:39 general: if i remember correctly it is needed for some obscure documentation scrit tha nobody really uses Nov 16 20:32:50 * johnx sighs Nov 16 20:33:35 mm? Nov 16 20:33:37 general: unfortunately, it still gets included and then you have to remove it manually to ffree space Nov 16 20:33:49 * johnx prefers to see boot messages Nov 16 20:34:04 hehe Nov 16 20:34:12 so do i, but if we're showing off to executives ;) Nov 16 20:34:27 and boot messages are what rescue menu is for Nov 16 20:34:31 Just make sure the option is toggleable in a control panel. Nov 16 20:35:29 splash is on by default, hold down "home" button at boot, select framebuffer console in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE ;) Nov 16 20:35:37 to get boot messages Nov 16 20:36:33 16min50s Nov 16 20:36:38 mojo so needs mirrors. Nov 16 20:39:35 i guess i should try demoing it on beagle too eventually :P Nov 16 20:39:49 (inspired by GA's deblet on beagle photo) Nov 16 20:40:01 Hehe Nov 16 20:40:10 * GeneralAntilles glances sadly over at the Beagle. Nov 16 20:40:18 and I'd really love to track down this stupid problem on the zaurus Nov 16 20:40:19 is it dead or? Nov 16 20:40:26 Still no working bootloader Nov 16 20:40:31 ah Nov 16 20:40:34 I can't figure it out for some reason. :/ Nov 16 20:40:46 So now I'm just waiting a month or two until the kernel stabilizes a bit. :P Nov 16 20:40:53 and things like sound and s-video actually work. Nov 16 20:41:38 yeah.. i think i might have pulled the trigger on that too soon when my work bought the two beagles, thought it was decent already Nov 16 20:41:52 so we are working on an atom board atm with a picopsu Nov 16 20:42:01 Yeah, as did I. :\ Nov 16 20:42:33 (which also will be running m-r if i have my will.) Nov 16 20:42:44 * johnx twiddles his thumbs while he waits for his own omap3 Nov 16 20:43:00 The Overo's cheap. Nov 16 20:43:14 but the pandora is ordered :) Nov 16 20:43:20 Ah, right. Nov 16 20:43:56 thus my other renewed interest in mojo/re-maemo Nov 16 20:44:10 I'm still saddened that Karel made me hate the Pandora so much. Nov 16 20:44:40 Damn that thing is creepy small: http://www.gumstix.net/Overo/cat/Overo/115.html Nov 16 20:44:56 oh, just wait. I can't possibly see a scenario in which he's happy with how it works for the first 6 months Nov 16 20:45:13 Yeah, I'm not really sure what he expects. Nov 16 20:45:22 most of the accessories actually live on a separate board though (re: overo) Nov 16 20:45:52 he expects all the community vaporware to condense into reality before people have them in their hands Nov 16 20:46:54 I don't get his angle on the UI Nov 16 20:47:02 He seems to hate Maemo so much for having a shitty UI Nov 16 20:47:02 qwerty12_N800, did you get the usb-networking to work on diablo? i get "module inversion error" Nov 16 20:47:03 in terms of user experience the n8x0 is basically the shining example for linux handhelds (except android devices) Nov 16 20:47:12 Pandora's gonna be, what, Enlightenment? Nov 16 20:47:25 GeneralAntilles, gmenu2x from the start Nov 16 20:47:37 then, whatever people put on it Nov 16 20:47:40 guysoft422, my ubuntu desktop disagrees with it for some reason :\ Nov 16 20:47:53 qwerty12_N800, so does my debian... Nov 16 20:48:06 qwerty12_N800, but i was talking about the nokia device iself Nov 16 20:48:07 I love UI projects that don't have screenshots on their websites. Nov 16 20:48:09 itself* Nov 16 20:48:19 that's why I'd like to show up at launch day with maemo-reconstructed and herd everyone in that direction Nov 16 20:48:22 Oh yeah, he's gonna loooove this: http://archive.gp2x.de/cfiles/screenshots/gmenu2x.png Nov 16 20:49:03 really UI projects should have video, I could make a screenshot that made a windows/macos/linux GUI look good Nov 16 20:49:21 mavhc, videos usually mean Flash Nov 16 20:49:27 Which I hardly bother loading anymore. Nov 16 20:50:43 mavhc, anyway, I'm not actually interested in an in-depth usability study. I just want to know generally what it looks like. Nov 16 20:50:58 it's things like that gmenu2x screenshot that make me bite my tongue everytime karel trolls, just so I don't tip him off Nov 16 20:51:16 if I was responsible for him adjusting his expectations early, I donn't know what I'd do Nov 16 20:51:27 Ha Nov 16 20:51:50 Maemo on the Pandora will be cool, though. Nov 16 20:51:57 It'll be interesting to see what comes with the alpha SDK Nov 16 20:51:57 yes, I hope so Nov 16 20:52:21 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the new hell johnx is going to plunge Karel into. Nov 16 20:52:57 I really, really hope that the pandora doesn't end up with 10 mutually exclusive UIs with their own set of programs Nov 16 20:53:32 Maemo's gonna end up being the only decent one Nov 16 20:53:35 he'll never escape! :P Nov 16 20:53:56 ha! and did you see *my* recent screenshot Nov 16 20:54:01 still a long way to go Nov 16 20:54:03 GeneralAntilles: alpha sdk is one thing but qgil indicated there's plenty of room for change Nov 16 20:54:18 h-a-m should be included in the alpha release Nov 16 20:54:23 I wonder how much of the UI is coming with it. Nov 16 20:54:33 which is why we're stressing a bit with m-r atm Nov 16 20:54:51 I wish I had the skills to help. :P Nov 16 20:55:11 GeneralAntilles: meh, you seem to help with community and such atm, which is what i'm personally not that good at Nov 16 20:55:32 (which is code for, I'm really glad you guys are doing all of the heavy lifting instead of me. :P) Nov 16 20:55:40 well, if you have a lack of skills, try substituting ungodly stubbornness :D Nov 16 20:55:52 johnx: i'm duplicating your post to bait qgil a bit as he follows my jaikus Nov 16 20:56:04 which post? Nov 16 20:56:07 the scrshot Nov 16 20:56:11 ah, ok Nov 16 20:57:38 Be cool if you get some Nokians involved once the SDK is out the door. Nov 16 20:58:20 yeah, think they're a bit stressed out these day Nov 16 20:58:21 s Nov 16 20:58:26 Ha Nov 16 20:58:30 They're always stressed. Nov 16 20:58:54 they've already done a lot to improve their packages and get caught up with upstream Nov 16 20:59:19 yeah, i was less stressed with this than expected Nov 16 21:00:01 and thank god for the pkg-maemo guys \o/ Nov 16 21:00:36 Stskeeps, oh, about that bug Nov 16 21:00:42 Were you actually expecting a real turnaround there? :P Nov 16 21:00:46 nop Nov 16 21:00:55 awesome jaiku feature: being able to mark my own posts as spam Nov 16 21:00:55 it was testing the waters Nov 16 21:01:04 I mean, simple, stupid stuff from 2007 is just now getting WONTFIXed because Nokia ignored it until the window of opportunity ran out. . . . Nov 16 21:01:11 a shot across the bow if you will Nov 16 21:01:36 Eero's a good one to CC about platform stuff, anyway. Nov 16 21:01:37 GeneralAntilles: there's plenty other bugs to report from the #reconstructedPOC log Nov 16 21:02:26 heh...I've got two "osso-af-startup exists" and "hildon-initscripts exists" Nov 16 21:02:58 hm? Nov 16 21:03:00 h-i-m or? Nov 16 21:03:08 nah, those are my two pet bugs Nov 16 21:03:11 oh Nov 16 21:03:16 that osso-af-startup exists Nov 16 21:03:21 yeah, that's a clusterfuck Nov 16 21:03:23 Hehe Nov 16 21:03:26 yeah Nov 16 21:03:34 on the other hand h-i-m-f builds happily :) Nov 16 21:03:47 Things will hopefully be changing for Fremantle Nov 16 21:04:00 my magic 8-ball says: those won't Nov 16 21:04:47 Well, harass them about it after the alpha's out. Nov 16 21:05:04 we will since dsme and ohm should follow around same time Nov 16 21:05:25 well, here's the thing: It's totally a "not meshing with mainstream distros" bug Nov 16 21:06:38 it *works the way it's intended to* but the design choices are ... strange Nov 16 21:06:54 i think they're going to have to remake a lot of things to work sanely with upstart, really Nov 16 21:07:12 they are switching to upstart? Nov 16 21:07:24 * GeneralAntilles lifts johnx's rock. Nov 16 21:07:29 what GA said Nov 16 21:07:30 :P Nov 16 21:07:41 johnx: yeah, was announced at summit Nov 16 21:07:46 which fits fine with OHM as well Nov 16 21:07:54 that's one reason i wanted ubuntu as base Nov 16 21:07:58 ah, missed the upstart thing Nov 16 21:07:59 huh Nov 16 21:08:06 well that's swell of them Nov 16 21:08:20 cos debian's upstart is .. not updated Nov 16 21:09:35 did ubuntu move to upstart 0.5 yet? Nov 16 21:10:14 0.3.9 Nov 16 21:10:25 ok, so ubuntu isn't either Nov 16 21:10:27 looks like 0.3.9-8 in intrepid and jaunty Nov 16 21:10:45 but it's embedded in base system which is what i meant :P Nov 16 21:11:36 * Stskeeps waits impatiently on install_mr Nov 16 21:15:38 oh yay, Werror strikes again Nov 16 21:16:34 Werror & pedantic need to be killed Nov 16 21:16:42 * Meiz_n810 is installing m-r with Stsleeps great installer too. Nov 16 21:17:11 it's just funny because the last changelog entry is from may and I assume they've compiled between then and now Nov 16 21:17:14 *Stskeeps =P Nov 16 21:17:21 Meiz_n810: the svn version? Nov 16 21:17:52 downloaded your installer from bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps Nov 16 21:17:56 ah Nov 16 21:17:59 we moved to svn Nov 16 21:18:05 okay Nov 16 21:18:17 svn checkout http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer Nov 16 21:18:36 uploading a new version in a couple of secs though so hang on Nov 16 21:19:25 okay Nov 16 21:19:40 i have to start over? Nov 16 21:19:54 installing in already on apt-get part Nov 16 21:20:32 *is Nov 16 21:20:33 nah, when done, do NO_BOOTSTRAP=1 sh ./install_mr Nov 16 21:20:46 okay Nov 16 21:21:33 will skip debootstrap and just install Nov 16 21:22:22 yep Nov 16 21:22:28 * RST38bis yawns Nov 16 21:22:33 * lcuk can barely move Nov 16 21:22:48 * johnx is ending up in the wrong timezone Nov 16 21:22:49 no bacon? Nov 16 21:22:51 im typing with my toes cos my arms are gonna fall off Nov 16 21:22:53 johnx: mine? :P Nov 16 21:22:58 lcuk: bacon!!! Nov 16 21:22:59 I think so Nov 16 21:23:06 * johnx shakes his first at Stskeeps Nov 16 21:23:09 cant lift blt Nov 16 21:23:25 lcuk, lots of coding or ... ? Nov 16 21:23:31 i was gonna take nokia to the top of the wall with me for an action shot Nov 16 21:23:44 but then i had a vision of it bouncing and didnt Nov 16 21:23:48 ah, right, rock climbing Nov 16 21:23:50 i am on gprs, but if you look at engadget, you will find an iphone case made of bacon. Nov 16 21:24:04 chill factor - skiing climbing etc Nov 16 21:24:26 http://gizmodo.com/5088786/bacon-iphone-case-is-most-savory-gadget-protector-yet Nov 16 21:24:32 * lcuk saw it earlier Nov 16 21:24:36 dunno if it fits n810, it may Nov 16 21:24:53 should do Nov 16 21:25:13 and if not, theres more bacon in the fridge Nov 16 21:25:42 johnx: with locales, 123,6mb base image Nov 16 21:25:47 still looking for a way to track stylus movement Nov 16 21:26:04 why doesn't motion event work?? Nov 16 21:26:29 wouldn't lots of apps have examples? like maemopad? or are you trying to do something different? Nov 16 21:27:01 RST38bis, stylus tracking? in what library Nov 16 21:27:26 gtk Nov 16 21:28:01 johnx: trying to grant you a wish of plot dragging Nov 16 21:28:08 are you linking the event correcntly? i thought these things came through Nov 16 21:28:16 or do you need one of those eent handler things Nov 16 21:28:38 lcuk: i installed an event handler Nov 16 21:29:00 enter/leave events work but motion does not Nov 16 21:29:24 lcuk: saw johnx's screenshot? Nov 16 21:30:17 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/hildon-desktop-gqviewxwd.png Nov 16 21:31:04 nice johnx :D starting to look like a real hildon Nov 16 21:31:47 yup. need to build some plugins and hildonized apps now Nov 16 21:32:05 advanced backlight is an obvious candidate too :P Nov 16 21:32:35 definitely Nov 16 21:33:30 is microb open source? Nov 16 21:33:35 not yet Nov 16 21:33:44 but we should use stuff like Tear instead, mho Nov 16 21:33:45 imho Nov 16 21:33:58 ok Nov 16 21:34:00 fell in love with webkit? Nov 16 21:34:24 after seeing midori.. Nov 16 21:34:24 :P Nov 16 21:34:56 midori: not just a color and a melon flavored aclcohol any more Nov 16 21:34:57 i love midori too Nov 16 21:34:59 Is there a click and drag for tear? Nov 16 21:35:04 we also need stuff like the control panel Nov 16 21:35:11 a* Nov 16 21:35:15 yep Nov 16 21:35:30 and h-a-m :P Nov 16 21:36:03 Synaptic will work too Nov 16 21:37:13 mm Nov 16 21:37:21 synaptic wasnt compiled just yet i think Nov 16 21:37:30 ? Nov 16 21:37:35 in mojo Nov 16 21:37:35 why? Nov 16 21:38:03 :p Nov 16 21:38:34 .. no clue, go see their build reports Nov 16 21:38:37 it was in waiting Nov 16 21:38:57 Canola in m-r would be nice... =) Nov 16 21:39:57 hehe Nov 16 21:40:01 its not open source yet afaik Nov 16 21:40:08 GeneralAntilles, Seen the catpo folder by any chance? Nov 16 21:40:22 maemo-mapper? Nov 16 21:41:26 is maemo-mapper open source? Nov 16 21:41:40 yeah, but we need gps libs and such Nov 16 21:41:45 you're welcome to start compiling :P Nov 16 21:42:26 i will :) Nov 16 21:42:30 * Stskeeps ponders what he was about to do Nov 16 21:42:34 oh Nov 16 21:42:35 powerlaunch Nov 16 21:44:31 last time i tried powerlaunc, my n810 gone insane. both screen and hw-keyboard backlight worked randomly... Nov 16 21:45:05 hm, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/tools/trunk/rootimagescripts/ Nov 16 21:45:07 didn't see that before Nov 16 21:45:40 Stskeeps, incomplete last time i looked :/ Nov 16 21:46:24 "echo I AM gconftool-2 THE WRAAAPPPEEEERRR, DUDE!>/dev/stderr Nov 16 21:46:26 wtf. Nov 16 21:46:53 lol Nov 16 21:47:13 to stop postinst scripts modifying the host system by running gconftool-2 to do schema installations, presumably Nov 16 21:48:31 wow...that is far too awesome for words Nov 16 21:49:00 ok, sumtool, must take that into consideration when we build jffs images Nov 16 21:49:07 it will reduce from 60s mount to 5s mount at first boot :P Nov 16 21:50:50 ;) Nov 16 21:51:03 that's a very old version of rootimage scripts Nov 16 21:51:16 alright, i did notice hints it was old jffs2 versions :P Nov 16 22:02:28 hah, i didn't know tutorial-applet could be used as a standalone flash player Nov 16 22:02:36 qwerty12_N800, hmm? Nov 16 22:02:51 Stskeeps, neat eh Nov 16 22:02:56 yeah, that's truely awesome Nov 16 22:08:09 GeneralAntilles, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/2.1.x/catpo/?root=hildon-app-mgr Nov 16 22:08:56 We can yank a few of the old ones, then. Nov 16 22:12:13 respect to nokia about libconic's true purpose, they actually insist on their apps using libconic, and not talking directly to ICD Nov 16 22:16:30 Stskeeps: Segmentation fault is really annoying, every second installation ends up with it Nov 16 22:16:53 Meiz_n810: gimme a copy of your debootstrap.log next time Nov 16 22:16:59 when it fails Nov 16 22:17:04 (it may be in var/log/bootstrap.log too) Nov 16 22:17:12 it failed now Nov 16 22:17:26 k Nov 16 22:17:29 then get me that :P Nov 16 22:17:37 ok Nov 16 22:18:24 where is the log file? Nov 16 22:18:38 debootstrap/debootstrap.log or var/log/bootstrap.log Nov 16 22:18:50 on the target Nov 16 22:18:54 found it Nov 16 22:18:56 okay Nov 16 22:23:18 http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gyiywhnm2tj Nov 16 22:24:29 * AngieQ wonders if there is a keylogger for the n810 Nov 16 22:24:57 Meiz_n810: k, i'm giving you a scp account :P Nov 16 22:24:57 Meiz_n810: k, i'm giving you a scp account sec Nov 16 22:29:50 uhm Nov 16 22:29:50 Stskeeps: done Nov 16 22:30:01 wiki seems to be broken :/ Nov 16 22:30:41 Working fine Nov 16 22:30:42 Reload. . . . Nov 16 22:32:23 GeneralAntilles seems to be broken :P Nov 16 22:32:25 oh, weird, I get a blank page at http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page Nov 16 22:32:33 Reload Nov 16 22:32:36 Make sure you clear any cache. Nov 16 22:32:37 but other pages work Nov 16 22:32:51 bef0rd, ctrl+shift+r Nov 16 22:33:20 one of the mystic bugs of maemo.org... Nov 16 22:33:27 Not really mystic Nov 16 22:33:35 They just need to upgrade them damn server already. Nov 16 22:33:47 it must be mystic if it takes this long to fix ;) Nov 16 22:34:08 thanks qwerty12_N800, that actually worked. I was using ctrl + r only :P Nov 16 22:36:13 Meiz_n810: looks perfectly sane Nov 16 22:36:33 hildon-common-strings-l10n will probably fill out more of the strings in hildon-desktop Nov 16 22:36:37 probably Nov 16 22:36:47 i mean, common and all.. Nov 16 22:36:47 :P Nov 16 22:37:05 also a dep of hildon-input-method Nov 16 22:38:46 * lcuk 's arms are gonna drop off Nov 16 22:39:12 what on earth have you been doing? Nov 16 22:39:20 rockclimbing Nov 16 22:39:45 ah Nov 16 22:40:10 and im a seriously out of shape computer geek, i do this perhaps 2-3 times a year mainly cos it takes so long to recover Nov 16 22:40:35 stretches my back out though Nov 16 22:40:45 so does a torture rack Nov 16 22:40:54 can you still buy them>? Nov 16 22:41:00 it would be easier Nov 16 22:41:03 mmmmm, the rack.... Nov 16 22:41:19 ~flashing Nov 16 22:41:19 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 16 22:41:28 * lcuk laughs at the SNL "iRack" skit Nov 16 22:41:51 *madtv Nov 16 22:42:37 johnx: powerlaunch up Nov 16 22:42:44 powered is probably of most interest Nov 16 22:43:00 awesome Nov 16 22:43:15 I'll put hildon-input-* up and then probably pass out somewhere Nov 16 22:43:42 same here Nov 16 22:45:09 for end result M-R base we should abstract out some of the powered part.. or even hint austin about this work Nov 16 22:45:50 like, LED control doesn't always make sense :P Nov 16 22:52:16 * Stskeeps wonders idly if powerlaunch is turing complete. Nov 16 22:52:43 damn, my lifetime record 2 week linux uptime died along with my battery Nov 16 22:54:34 * qwerty12_N800 used to have fun running uptimed on the tablet :P Nov 16 22:55:11 okay. seriously, powerlaunch is a small programming language. Nov 16 22:55:19 lol Nov 16 22:55:31 no wonder noone can figure out how it works Nov 16 22:55:40 powerlaunch typically hasn't been stable enough when I've tried to use it. Nov 16 22:55:47 It needs another layer of abstraction for humans. Nov 16 22:56:05 oh, i agree, but it is a systemui+mce replacement Nov 16 22:56:07 heh "powerlaunch2, now with butler service" Nov 16 22:56:19 A half-dozen pretty, clean, useful default setups would do wonders for its adoption rate. Nov 16 22:56:42 * Stskeeps plans to abuse the std conf in m-r Nov 16 22:57:06 Currently it's a bit like being handed a Build Your Own Formula 1 Car kit Nov 16 22:57:16 With the only instructions being "Put all the parts together" Nov 16 22:57:18 .. if i can figure out how the heck it's glued togethher Nov 16 22:57:31 GeneralAntilles, so you mean it's the best day of your whole life? Nov 16 22:58:02 Hehe, if only I had that much free time. ;) Nov 16 22:59:41 But while that might be fun for a lot of us, normal people look at it and run screaming. Nov 16 22:59:50 i mean.. Nov 16 22:59:51 on_show = if $offline inofflinemode innormalmode; widget_list systemui_menu.main.treeview tklock "Lock touch screen and keys" softpoweroff "Soft poweroff" switch_mode $mode_text device_lock "Lock device" reboot "Reboot" shutdown "Switch off!"; widget_set systemui_menu.main.treeview 0; widget_focus systemui_menu.main.treeview; widget_show systemui_menu Nov 16 23:00:56 i start to wonder if he has a JIT and a bytecode interpreter in there too.. Nov 16 23:01:00 If somebody would just take the time to put together a control panel and preset pack. Nov 16 23:04:03 that's pretty crazy Nov 16 23:04:07 is it turing complete? Nov 16 23:04:16 yes, that was what i was pondering Nov 16 23:04:49 why settle for a power daemon that is anything less? :D Nov 16 23:04:54 this is insane enough to make me think that definately should be in m-r Nov 16 23:05:24 Only if you actually provide sane defaults. Nov 16 23:05:29 Otherwise you're just being mean to normal people. Nov 16 23:05:47 yes, ofcourse Nov 16 23:09:51 * Stskeeps ponders if MCE led patterns are copyrighted. Nov 16 23:10:15 "PatternPsychedelia" (from mce.ini) Nov 16 23:10:20 tablet going into a seizure? Nov 16 23:10:21 Ha Nov 16 23:10:26 I'd love to see that go to court Nov 16 23:10:28 Somebody should do a morse set Nov 16 23:11:01 what about tablet-to-tablet communication with LED flashes picked up by the camera? Nov 16 23:11:24 right, this is getting insane enough for me to head to bed :P Nov 16 23:12:30 me too, I can't really think coherently about packaging any more, but I think we'll have a working hildon-input-method in a couple minutes Nov 16 23:12:32 johnx, i believe we considered semaphore with that before linuxtag Nov 16 23:13:08 :D could you do uucp over that? Nov 16 23:14:08 lol Nov 16 23:14:20 problem is the data rate Nov 16 23:14:36 i suppose you could multiplex and use all 3 colors Nov 16 23:14:39 and filter it Nov 16 23:14:49 not on an n800 :/ Nov 16 23:14:53 or just use a matrix on the screen Nov 16 23:15:16 . . . and this is better than Bluetooth, why? :P Nov 16 23:15:18 heh, dynamically generated qr codes? Nov 16 23:15:21 * GeneralAntilles slaps everyone in the room with a reality check. Nov 16 23:16:11 bluetooth is so harsh and computery, you want something warm and cosy like blinding someone by shining an n8x0 strobe at them Nov 16 23:16:14 you compile hildon deps for a couple days and tell me how well you maintain your objective grip on reality :P Nov 16 23:17:21 also, it's an excuse to bring back uucp Nov 16 23:18:03 uucp over tcp :) Nov 16 23:18:23 nah, that would take all the unreliability out of it Nov 16 23:18:26 that's like cheating Nov 16 23:18:31 Ha Nov 16 23:18:59 get me a back-hoe and ill bring back the "reliability" you seek Nov 16 23:19:25 (and a ticket to your country - japan isnt it?) Nov 16 23:19:44 that's what the host mask says I guess :) Nov 16 23:28:44 Mand off to sleep with me. O_o Nov 17 01:02:11 :) Nov 17 01:06:17 Some people just don't get open source. . . . Nov 17 01:09:46 GeneralAntilles: what happened ? Nov 17 01:11:43 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=242517 Nov 17 01:17:49 GeneralAntilles: why do you say that? In essence, every distro the marks software it includes as "Ready for mainstream use" Nov 17 01:18:39 ive enjoyed going from the early 770 when almost nothing was available to now where there are a lot of programs available Nov 17 01:18:43 Someone could easily set up a package feed which includes all the ITT software they feel is ready for prime time. Nov 17 01:19:12 It would make TokyoDan happy, and the rest of us could get on with our lives without worry about what TokyoDan thinks. Nov 17 01:20:55 nelson, it's a historical thing from TokyoDan. Nov 17 01:21:19 nelson, he's posted at least 3 of the exact same thread. Nov 17 01:21:20 you mean he's been making this complaint for a while? Nov 17 01:21:48 Oh, I see. Well, then follow Nelson's Dictum: "There are no problems; only unmet business opportunities." Nov 17 01:21:56 he must be an apple mole Nov 17 01:22:09 lol, smackpotato, nice call. :) Nov 17 01:35:04 It's also hilarious that he's using reported bugs as a metric for tracking buginess. Nov 17 01:36:14 ok my synth is almost ready for prime time...its wrapped up nicely into a .deb so if u can play with it on ur tablet and comments welcome. Nov 17 01:36:41 http://www.poojyum.com/boxar_1.0-1_armel.deb Nov 17 01:36:53 a box guitar for n810 Nov 17 01:55:09 awsum jagernot Nov 17 01:55:40 Does chinook repositories / apps work in diablo ? Nov 17 01:57:34 thanks smack Nov 17 02:00:48 my app is build on chinook zak Nov 17 02:04:11 hhow do i take screenshot of my app in maemo? Nov 17 02:05:41 x11vnc is an OK answer **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 17 02:59:57 2008