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Nov 20 03:45:24 <zakkm> Anyone know a good way to read cbr's on the nokia?
Nov 20 03:52:41 <disco_stu> zakkm: what are cbr's ?
Nov 20 03:52:50 <zakkm> cbr = comic book reader.. its a zip file with images in it
Nov 20 03:52:51 <disco_stu> zakkm: there is something for that i guess
Nov 20 03:52:51 <zakkm> but evince can open it, but its too slow to be anywhere near usable
Nov 20 03:52:51 <zakkm> there is a program , but its way too slow too
Nov 20 03:52:51 <disco_stu> did you check the repo ?
Nov 20 03:52:52 <disco_stu> ok
Nov 20 03:53:10 <zakkm> yeah i have most
Nov 20 03:53:11 <zakkm> i was wondering if there was a hidden good program in garage or something
Nov 20 03:53:12 <zakkm> or a cbr support in some program i dont know about
Nov 20 03:53:12 <disco_stu> zakkm: dont think so
Nov 20 03:53:12 <zakkm> or some other way to use it or something
Nov 20 03:53:16 <zakkm> like should i unzip in maemo, and then use image viewer? or something
Nov 20 03:54:17 <disco_stu> zakkm: i was planning to do some kind of program that could work in a similar way as a cbr reader
Nov 20 03:54:18 <disco_stu> but to pack slides
Nov 20 03:54:34 <disco_stu> so you could practices speeches or something
Nov 20 03:54:34 <zakkm> plannig to port or create?
Nov 20 03:55:09 <disco_stu> create i guess
Nov 20 03:55:09 <zakkm> cbr is strictly comic book though, and the problem is is its compressed zip
Nov 20 03:55:26 <zakkm> cbz = rar
Nov 20 03:55:27 <zakkm> so it has to uncompress when open "on-the-fly"
Nov 20 03:56:09 <disco_stu> zakkm: what is the average file size you are using
Nov 20 03:56:09 <disco_stu> ?
Nov 20 03:56:09 <zakkm> 18mb
Nov 20 03:56:26 <zakkm> its a normal comic book issue.
Nov 20 03:56:26 <disco_stu> how many slides ?
Nov 20 03:56:42 <zakkm> pages... 20?
Nov 20 03:56:59 <disco_stu> alright
Nov 20 03:56:59 <zakkm> 26*
Nov 20 03:57:08 <zakkm> they're about 396kb jpg's
Nov 20 03:57:08 <disco_stu> sounds reasonable
Nov 20 03:57:24 <disco_stu> dont know how it could be so slow
Nov 20 03:57:24 <zakkm> evince takes like 5min to open it.. and my nokia is frozen during that
Nov 20 03:57:41 <zakkm> and then its just overall slow.. so i cant like read it
Nov 20 03:57:41 <disco_stu> whoa
Nov 20 03:57:41 <zakkm> its not worth it at all
Nov 20 03:57:41 <disco_stu> 5 min
Nov 20 03:57:41 <zakkm> theres a actual comic book program for it too
Nov 20 03:57:42 <zakkm> cbrpager.. thats a bit better.. but nothing worthwhile
Nov 20 04:04:12 <zetheroo> one thing I noticed with Maemo Mapper is that when you acquire a route it will usually be one which is technically the shortest route in kilometres but not the fastest route. Is there a way to change that?
Nov 20 04:34:46 <zetheroo> which is the "swap button" on the N810000?
Nov 20 04:34:46 <zetheroo> N810*
Nov 20 04:35:19 <disco_stu> zetheroo: the one with two squares
Nov 20 04:35:52 <zetheroo> ok .. thanks
Nov 20 04:36:12 <zetheroo> I am reflashing to the latest OS2008 release ... maybe that will fix my flite/mapper issue ... :)
Nov 20 04:37:10 <disco_stu> zetheroo: hope so
Nov 20 04:37:44 <disco_stu> good luck
Nov 20 04:49:26 <zetheroo> this command does not work
Nov 20 04:49:26 <zetheroo> sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Nov 20 04:50:30 <disco_stu> zetheroo: what error you got ?
Nov 20 04:50:41 <zakkm> where is the bin file, where you installing to?
Nov 20 04:51:35 <zetheroo> sudo: ./flasher-3.0: command not found
Nov 20 04:51:36 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 20 04:51:36 <zakkm> is the file flash-3.0 there?
Nov 20 04:51:36 <disco_stu> you need to download flasher
Nov 20 04:52:10 <zakkm> how frequent are diablo releases?
Nov 20 04:52:24 <zetheroo> yes
Nov 20 04:52:25 <zetheroo> I am in my Desktop folder
Nov 20 04:52:26 <zetheroo> and its here
Nov 20 04:53:13 <disco_stu> zakkm: that is a kind of question only GeneralAntilles can answer
Nov 20 04:53:14 <zakkm> spelled the same?
Nov 20 04:53:14 <zetheroo> this happened before
Nov 20 04:53:14 <zetheroo> yes
Nov 20 04:53:23 <zakkm> GeneralAntiles: you have been asked for, are you there? :)
Nov 20 04:53:31 <zakkm> I require your expertise
Nov 20 04:53:31 <disco_stu> zetheroo: you are pointing it out wrong
Nov 20 04:53:36 <zetheroo> huhhh?
Nov 20 04:53:38 <disco_stu> zetheroo: flahser is not it yor CWD
Nov 20 04:53:52 <zetheroo> CWD?
Nov 20 04:53:55 <disco_stu> current working directory
Nov 20 04:54:28 <zetheroo> I am in Desktop and I do ls
Nov 20 04:54:31 <zetheroo> and its there
Nov 20 04:54:38 <zetheroo> flasher-3.0
Nov 20 04:54:47 <disco_stu> did you chmod it ?
Nov 20 04:54:49 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, every 1-3 months
Nov 20 04:55:06 <zetheroo> chmod ... no
Nov 20 04:55:06 <disco_stu> chmod +x
Nov 20 04:55:06 <disco_stu> to flasher
Nov 20 04:55:22 <zakkm> Wow, it does work.. you need someone and they're here :)
Nov 20 04:55:22 <disco_stu> and try again
Nov 20 04:55:52 <disco_stu> zakkm: they are all bots.. keep the secret
Nov 20 04:55:53 <zetheroo> so the command is : chmod +x flasher-3.0
Nov 20 04:55:53 <disco_stu> zetheroo: aha
Nov 20 04:55:57 <zetheroo> yes?
Nov 20 04:56:08 <disco_stu> yes
Nov 20 04:56:24 <zakkm> chmod +x flasher-3.0 would just make it executable wouldnt it?
Nov 20 04:56:24 <disco_stu> right
Nov 20 04:56:51 <zetheroo> ok .. its working
Nov 20 04:56:51 <zakkm> so he needs the other one afterwards
Nov 20 04:56:51 <zetheroo> why is that info not in the wiki?
Nov 20 04:56:56 <zetheroo> it really should be there
Nov 20 04:57:03 <disco_stu> zetheroo: because it so obvios for Linux users.. that they forgot
Nov 20 04:57:03 <zakkm> depends your linux setup :P
Nov 20 04:57:20 <disco_stu> s/obvios/obvious/
Nov 20 04:57:20 <infobot> disco_stu meant: zetheroo: because it so obvious for Linux users.. that they forgot
Nov 20 04:58:26 <disco_stu> when you execute "ls" and you see that a file is there, if you know that that file is an executable program it should be colored green
Nov 20 04:58:44 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo, I'm quite certain it is. . . .
Nov 20 04:59:02 <disco_stu> so whitout noticing you end up doing it automatically
Nov 20 04:59:02 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: well it may be somewhere ... but not where it would help the most
Nov 20 04:59:30 <disco_stu> damn, my spelling skills are down
Nov 20 05:00:31 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo, that's basically one of the basest skills in Linux, though.
Nov 20 05:00:42 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: :) ..
Nov 20 05:07:36 <disco_stu> boring night.. isnt it ?
Nov 20 05:07:58 <zetheroo> hmm
Nov 20 05:07:58 <zetheroo> I can't see flite in the repos
Nov 20 05:08:17 <zetheroo> why is flite not there? I have Maemo Extras enabled
Nov 20 05:31:28 <zetheroo> I downloaded flite.install and executed the file but got this message:
Nov 20 05:31:53 <zetheroo> Unable to download flite. Application Package not found
Nov 20 05:31:54 <GeneralAntilles> It's not in Diablo Extras.
Nov 20 05:32:05 <zetheroo> hmm .. what was the simple command to enter root in the terminal?
Nov 20 05:34:41 <GeneralAntilles> ~root-access
Nov 20 05:34:41 <infobot> somebody said root-access was http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access
Nov 20 05:35:32 <zetheroo> that link opens a blank page for me
Nov 20 05:36:09 <johnx> in your browser, hit ctrl+shift+r
Nov 20 05:36:56 <zetheroo> oh wow
Nov 20 05:36:56 <zetheroo> what did that do?
Nov 20 05:37:12 <johnx> magic
Nov 20 05:37:13 <johnx> pretty neat huh?
Nov 20 05:37:13 <johnx> it uhm, refreshed the page :)
Nov 20 05:37:33 <johnx> stale cache on the proxy
Nov 20 05:37:33 <zetheroo> ha
Nov 20 05:37:41 <zetheroo> I had used the refresh button but that did not work
Nov 20 05:38:23 <GeneralAntilles> That wiki really needs to be fixed.
Nov 20 05:38:24 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, you mean have them just dump squid's cache or is there something else?
Nov 20 05:38:42 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, whatever needs to be done to make it load pages consistently needs to be done.
Nov 20 05:39:34 <zetheroo> what does this mean? user is not in sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
Nov 20 05:39:34 <GeneralAntilles> The FBI is coming to get you.
Nov 20 05:39:51 <johnx> just install rootsh and type root
Nov 20 05:39:51 <zetheroo> harhar
Nov 20 05:40:08 <zetheroo> I just install rootsh
Nov 20 05:40:24 <zetheroo> installed
Nov 20 05:40:49 <zetheroo> now I am in /home/user/
Nov 20 05:41:48 <zetheroo> ok .. I did "cd /" and not I am in the root folder
Nov 20 05:41:52 <zetheroo> I think
Nov 20 05:42:09 <zetheroo> would this command work in Maemo: sudo apt-get install
Nov 20 05:42:09 <zetheroo> ?
Nov 20 05:42:25 <johnx> you're already root so just do
Nov 20 05:42:26 <johnx> apt-get install package
Nov 20 05:42:29 <zetheroo> ok
Nov 20 05:43:28 <zetheroo> well I am downloading flite 1.3 and want to compile it on the N810
Nov 20 05:43:30 <zetheroo> is this possible?
Nov 20 05:43:47 <johnx> yes, and it's a pain
Nov 20 05:43:53 <johnx> you won't find someone to walk you through it I think
Nov 20 05:44:44 <zetheroo> is it a pain because compiling on MAemo is hard ... or just because of flite itself?
Nov 20 05:45:34 <johnx> the 1st one. I don't even know if flite is hard to compile
Nov 20 05:46:05 <zetheroo> would you know what tools I need to have installed on Maemo to compile apps with?
Nov 20 05:46:06 <zetheroo> like gcc or soemthing?
Nov 20 05:47:07 <johnx> yes, you need gcc, and a lot of packages with headers from the sdk repository, and if you can't find both on your own you're pretty much doomed before you even get started
Nov 20 05:47:09 <johnx> you'll also need to boot from sd so you have enough space available
Nov 20 05:47:09 <zetheroo> argh
Nov 20 05:48:38 <johnx> I'm really not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to save you some time
Nov 20 05:48:47 <johnx> you installed flite, correct? and it works in the x-term, right?
Nov 20 05:49:38 <johnx> why would a different version work better?
Nov 20 05:49:43 <GeneralAntilles> I would love for somebody to set up a "Compiling on device" wiki page. . . .
Nov 20 05:50:00 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, no. that's a bad idea. that would only encourage people
Nov 20 05:50:00 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo, I think GNUite had to hack on flite quite a bit to get it to work.
Nov 20 05:50:01 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Nov 20 05:50:02 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, it's like letting the peasants have access to movable type? ;)
Nov 20 05:50:37 <zetheroo> ha
Nov 20 05:50:38 <johnx> nope, it's like giving out simple, step-by-step instructions to playing with high voltage
Nov 20 05:50:42 <zetheroo> johnx: I reflashed my N810 to the latest release of PS2008
Nov 20 05:51:01 <zetheroo> so I am starting from scratch
Nov 20 05:52:35 <johnx> just grab the flite that you had before, it's probably not the problem if it works from the command line
Nov 20 05:52:52 <zetheroo> well its not in the repos .. and I forgot how I installed it last time
Nov 20 05:54:18 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, psh
Nov 20 05:54:55 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, plus, in almost all cases, the people who would benefit from it already know exactly what to do
Nov 20 05:55:13 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, well, I would like to try, but haven't yet managed to get entirely from point A to point B.
Nov 20 05:55:31 <johnx> getting from point A to point B is a test
Nov 20 05:55:31 <johnx> :D
Nov 20 05:55:31 <GeneralAntilles> :rolleyes:
Nov 20 05:56:13 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: are you a Maemo developer?
Nov 20 05:56:14 <GeneralAntilles> zetheroo, no.
Nov 20 05:56:14 <GeneralAntilles> I've never compiled anything for Maemo ever.
Nov 20 05:56:14 <johnx> anyways, if it's that hard then I'm probably not the one to write the sdk in the first place. I cheat at "compiling on the device"
Nov 20 05:56:30 <johnx> s/sdk/howto/
Nov 20 05:56:30 <infobot> johnx meant: anyways, if it's that hard then I'm probably not the one to write the howto in the first place. I cheat at "compiling on the device"
Nov 20 05:56:30 <GeneralAntilles> Partly because the SDK doesn't support my platform.
Nov 20 05:57:04 <zetheroo> so where would one go to talk to people who make the distro and its repos etc?
Nov 20 05:57:37 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I stumbled on getting GTK to play nice.
Nov 20 05:57:47 <johnx> zetheroo, some Nokia office building in Finland
Nov 20 05:57:48 <zetheroo> great
Nov 20 05:57:48 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, and the answer is "it might not work at all, it was never designed for this purpose"
Nov 20 05:57:50 <zetheroo> I thought I would find them on forums or chat..
Nov 20 05:57:50 <johnx> really, sometimes there are nokia people here
Nov 20 05:57:51 <johnx> but they mostly are busy working on software for us
Nov 20 05:57:52 <johnx> couple marketing guys on the forums from time to time
Nov 20 05:58:09 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: flite is in an older repo right?
Nov 20 05:58:09 <johnx> but really, what is the question. I'll try and give you an honest answer at least
Nov 20 05:58:21 <zetheroo> my question?
Nov 20 05:59:03 <johnx> hmm? you're looking for nokia people. I assumed you had a question for them?
Nov 20 05:59:28 <zetheroo> I want flite to be in the latest repos
Nov 20 05:59:28 <zetheroo> and I would very much like flite to work with mapper
Nov 20 05:59:45 <zetheroo> :)
Nov 20 05:59:54 <johnx> not a Nokia thing :)
Nov 20 06:00:27 <zetheroo> ok .. so who's thing is it?
Nov 20 06:00:28 <johnx> individuals like you and me
Nov 20 06:00:45 <zetheroo> indeed?
Nov 20 06:01:19 <johnx> truly
Nov 20 06:01:19 <zetheroo> well we don't have power over the repos do we?
Nov 20 06:01:19 <GeneralAntilles> Well, *individual* mostly.
Nov 20 06:01:20 <zetheroo> ha
Nov 20 06:01:20 <GeneralAntilles> GNUite hasn't submitted flite to Diablo Extras because he lost the source package, apparently.
Nov 20 06:02:03 <zetheroo> what do I place in mapper to get it to see my internal GPS again?
Nov 20 06:02:38 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: no way .... :-/
Nov 20 06:02:38 <johnx> select bluetooth and type nothing
Nov 20 06:03:48 <zetheroo> ok
Nov 20 06:05:07 <zetheroo> but shouldn't flite still function with mapper even if flite is installed from another repo? ... or does that stuff it up?
Nov 20 06:05:46 <johnx> it should work fine
Nov 20 06:05:46 <johnx> other people were using it as recently as june 2008
Nov 20 06:05:51 <zetheroo> do you knwo any of them?
Nov 20 06:05:55 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10960&page=2
Nov 20 06:05:55 <zetheroo> I need to find someone who got it working
Nov 20 06:12:45 <zetheroo> GeneralAntilles: which repo would flite be in?
Nov 20 06:12:58 <GeneralAntilles> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/f/flite/
Nov 20 06:14:08 <zetheroo> I should be able to just install this file "as is" right?
Nov 20 06:16:00 <zetheroo> ok it installed perfectly
Nov 20 06:16:25 <RST38h> moo, all
Nov 20 06:18:22 <l7> hmm, has anyone else had success with this method of SD booting? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19639
Nov 20 06:18:30 <l7> penguinbait's deb seems buggy
Nov 20 06:19:22 <l7> " I ran into a case where my boot menu stopped booting to the SD and it would have been nice to have been able to recover my settings intact after a reflash/reclone."
Nov 20 06:21:39 <RST38h> 7997! Ho ho ho ho
Nov 20 06:21:40 <GeneralAntilles> l7, just use the wiki page?
Nov 20 06:22:46 <l7> GeneralAntilles: actually it worked now :)
Nov 20 06:22:50 <l7> it's weird that i had to install once, get a fail message, reboot and try to update the install
Nov 20 06:23:07 <l7> i guess i'll give the manual method a try later, but the partitioning webpage is really confusing
Nov 20 06:23:32 <GeneralAntilles> What's confusing?
Nov 20 06:24:24 <l7> it would be great if there was a good usage example there
Nov 20 06:24:24 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card
Nov 20 06:24:33 <GeneralAntilles> The first code block?
Nov 20 06:24:33 <l7> "Note: on the N800 and N810 the filesystem mounted under /media/mmc1 is the external media card and the internal card is mounted under /media/mmc2. The device that is mounted under /media/mmc1 is /dev/mmcblk1 and not mmcblk0 that is mounted under /media/mmc2. If you plan to format the external media card replace mmcblk0p with mmcblk1p."
Nov 20 06:24:33 <GeneralAntilles> sfdisk sucks, I know.
Nov 20 06:24:33 <l7> this block rather makes my head spin
Nov 20 06:25:25 <l7> a usage example like "this is what you do with a 2GB or 4GB card" would clarify things i think
Nov 20 06:25:25 <GeneralAntilles> Reload
Nov 20 06:27:05 <l7> what changed?
Nov 20 06:27:40 <GeneralAntilles> * The external card is mmcblk1
Nov 20 06:27:40 <GeneralAntilles> * The internal card is mmcblk0
Nov 20 06:27:40 <l7> yeah that does help
Nov 20 06:28:55 <GeneralAntilles> I wish somebody would put together a wizard to do all this for people. . . .
Nov 20 06:28:55 <l7> what is the optimal size for the swap and system partitions btw?
Nov 20 06:29:10 <GeneralAntilles> I wouldn't bother with a swap partition, personally.
Nov 20 06:29:28 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure why penguinbait insists on it.
Nov 20 06:29:28 <l7> hrm
Nov 20 06:29:37 <GeneralAntilles> I usually do the second partition as a 1-3GB system partition as EXT3
Nov 20 06:29:38 <l7> how about the small FAT partition as partition 1?
Nov 20 06:29:54 <GeneralAntilles> and the first partition as the rest of the card as FAT
Nov 20 06:29:54 <GeneralAntilles> At least 130MB is good.
Nov 20 06:30:27 <l7> what is the FAT partition for?
Nov 20 06:30:28 <GeneralAntilles> Swap
Nov 20 06:31:01 <l7> oh
Nov 20 06:31:01 <GeneralAntilles> and storage
Nov 20 06:31:38 <GeneralAntilles> I find it more convenient to just keep my storage on FAT
Nov 20 06:31:38 * johnx images needing about 13GB of swap
Nov 20 06:31:39 <GeneralAntilles> Easy to get to when need to put the card in other machines
Nov 20 06:31:39 <l7> yeah, a seperate swap partition seems strange if you can just use the storage partition
Nov 20 06:32:16 <johnx> technically a swap partition is marginally faster or something
Nov 20 06:32:25 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder if I could talk somebody into putting together a wizard if I did some mockups.
Nov 20 06:32:38 <RST38h> no. :)
Nov 20 06:32:46 <l7> i'm not sure you really need a wizard if the steps are clearly defined
Nov 20 06:33:29 <GeneralAntilles> Some people immediately freeze up when they encounter a console.
Nov 20 06:34:38 <RST38h> That is when you euthanize them.
Nov 20 06:34:39 <GeneralAntilles> There really isn't much advantage to the console method, either, other than the simple fact that nobody has coded a GUI yet.
Nov 20 06:34:41 <l7> i would have found a list of commands in with clear example usage fine to deal with
Nov 20 06:36:18 <GeneralAntilles> l7, feel free to improve it when you figure it out. ;)
Nov 20 06:36:53 <l7> yeah, maybe later
Nov 20 06:36:53 <l7> i'll play around with penguinbait's example for a bit
Nov 20 06:36:53 <GeneralAntilles> Those debs are pure evil
Nov 20 06:37:27 <l7> why? no source?
Nov 20 06:37:28 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, setting things like that up with .deb postinsts is just nasty business.
Nov 20 06:37:32 <johnx> coffee++
Nov 20 06:37:55 <GeneralAntilles> l7, it's all bundled into a single .deb
Nov 20 06:37:57 <GeneralAntilles> So, say, if you lose your bootmenu, you're kinda screwed for reinstalling it.
Nov 20 06:39:37 <l7> hrm
Nov 20 06:39:55 <GeneralAntilles> The way it really _should_ be done, is with a .deb that installs the bootmenu along with a control panel to set it up
Nov 20 06:40:13 <GeneralAntilles> a partitioning application, and a wizard.
Nov 20 06:40:14 <l7> so should the partitioning be done from a the bootmenu?
Nov 20 06:40:23 <l7> s/a the/the/
Nov 20 06:40:24 <infobot> l7 meant: so should the partitioning be done from the bootmenu?
Nov 20 06:40:35 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, there should be a partitioning application
Nov 20 06:44:00 <l7> an interactive shell script wouldn't be a bad solution
Nov 20 06:44:29 <l7> unless the even that will scare away people
Nov 20 06:47:53 <l7> penguinbait messed around with the startup script to make the tablet say how Linus pronounces Linux
Nov 20 07:10:05 <RST38h> General: In ~15 years, I have never seen a partitioning application that a non-geek can use
Nov 20 07:10:41 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, have you tried Apple's?
Nov 20 07:10:58 <RST38h> No, I stay away from Apple
Nov 20 07:10:58 <GeneralAntilles> It's pretty low-impact
Nov 20 07:11:33 <GeneralAntilles> http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/17/0,1425,sz=1&i=172906,00.jpg
Nov 20 07:12:07 <GeneralAntilles> Stuff like BootCamp is handled by a wizard.
Nov 20 07:12:08 <l7> the gnome partitioner isn't bad
Nov 20 07:12:08 <RST38h> General: Looks similar to WinNT's
Nov 20 07:12:16 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, I think a couple of tickboxes/a short questionnaire would be a good way to do it.
Nov 20 07:12:24 <RST38h> General: Never gets used by end users because it has got so many weirdly labeled controls
Nov 20 07:12:24 <GeneralAntilles> So it looks at the size of the card, and the user answers a few things about what they're planning to use it for.
Nov 20 07:16:35 <johnx> the problem is that the concepts at work in partitioning aren't that easily conveyed
Nov 20 07:16:35 <BugBlue> apple's partioner is scary for 'users'
Nov 20 07:16:35 <BugBlue> I tried it by putting a user in front of it
Nov 20 07:16:39 <BugBlue> she ended up with an installed but unuseable system
Nov 20 07:17:12 <johnx> actually ubuntu installer's partitioner is a lot more usable than apples (I've used both extensively)
Nov 20 07:17:29 <GeneralAntilles> I like the idea of a questionnaire
Nov 20 07:17:33 <GeneralAntilles> "Will you be using this card with Windows or Mac OS X?"
Nov 20 07:17:34 <GeneralAntilles> "How many operating systems do you want to install on this card?"
Nov 20 07:18:32 <GeneralAntilles> Then run down exactly what it all means at the end.
Nov 20 07:18:57 <RST38h> General: Questionnaire idea breaks once you want the user to tell what partition sizes he wants
Nov 20 07:19:05 <GeneralAntilles> You don't
Nov 20 07:19:05 <RST38h> Although if you are really eager, you can create a special UI for that
Nov 20 07:19:05 <GeneralAntilles> You decide for him based on the answers.
Nov 20 07:19:06 <GeneralAntilles> If they want to manually configure it, offer a manual mode.
Nov 20 07:19:06 <johnx> I kinda like this approach :)
Nov 20 07:19:07 <RST38h> Can't - this isn't a question that can be decided from a questionnaire
Nov 20 07:19:09 <johnx> why not?
Nov 20 07:19:10 <GeneralAntilles> It can't arrive at results that are perfect for every case
Nov 20 07:19:10 <GeneralAntilles> but you can hit most of the curve pretty well.
Nov 20 07:19:19 <johnx> if the user doesn't even know how much space they need, then you decide for them and they're never the wiser
Nov 20 07:19:23 <GeneralAntilles> People using Windows or OS X aren't going to want a giant ext* partition
Nov 20 07:20:27 <GeneralAntilles> So you allocate 1GB or 25% (whichever's larger) to the OS and leave the rest as FAT.
Nov 20 07:21:06 <RST38h> General: The remaining 5-15% will scream mad though
Nov 20 07:21:23 <GeneralAntilles> Then they can use manual mode.
Nov 20 07:21:23 <johnx> who cares about them? make them use the manual method
Nov 20 07:21:39 <RST38h> johnx: The problem is, they will scream mad once they hit a problem with that predecided allocation
Nov 20 07:21:56 <GeneralAntilles> You're doing pretty good if you're covering about 90% of all cases.
Nov 20 07:22:29 <johnx> the point is that 50%+ of people are confused and scared now, so 10-15% mad is fair game
Nov 20 07:22:29 <zetheroo> well ... reflashed my N810 and reinstalled flite and mapper ... but its still not working... :( sigh
Nov 20 07:22:29 <johnx> include in big red text "If you want to manually choose sizes this is not for you"
Nov 20 07:22:33 <GeneralAntilles> "If you would prefer to set up your partitions manually, click here."
Nov 20 07:23:52 <zetheroo> maybe the version of mapper I am using is not compatible with flite?
Nov 20 07:24:45 <Hirvinen> 11111111111111111111111111
Nov 20 07:25:16 <GeneralAntilles> 222222222222222222222
Nov 20 07:25:16 <johnx> you seem to have a stuck key
Nov 20 07:25:16 <johnx> guess it's contagious
Nov 20 07:26:29 <zetheroo> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 20 07:26:29 <zetheroo> its spreading
Nov 20 07:27:03 <zetheroo> how can I get in touch with the person who maintains flite?
Nov 20 07:27:04 <GeneralAntilles> It's GNUite
Nov 20 07:27:22 <GeneralAntilles> His email should be available from the maemo-mapper Garage page.
Nov 20 07:27:35 <zetheroo> ok cool
Nov 20 07:30:00 <zetheroo> I am here
Nov 20 07:30:22 <zetheroo> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper/
Nov 20 07:30:23 <zetheroo> is that where his info should be?
Nov 20 07:30:23 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Nov 20 07:31:26 <zetheroo> there is a whole list of developers ...
Nov 20 07:31:33 <GeneralAntilles> John Costigan
Nov 20 07:32:21 <zetheroo> ah ... the Admin
Nov 20 07:38:26 <zetheroo> ok ... well I have written to dear John ... this should be interesting ...
Nov 20 07:38:26 <zetheroo> :)
Nov 20 07:44:43 <johnx> poor canola guys :/ it sounds like they've had a really rough time of it
Nov 20 07:44:51 <timeless> ?
Nov 20 07:45:10 <johnx> seems like they switched teams on their way to beta10, ended up firing that team, bringing back the old guys, and having to toss the work on beta10
Nov 20 07:45:22 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242479&postcount=8
Nov 20 07:47:23 <GeneralAntilles> Ouch
Nov 20 07:47:39 <GeneralAntilles> That doesn't sound fun at all.
Nov 20 07:47:39 <johnx> not really, no
Nov 20 07:47:48 <johnx> I really look forward to seeing it open sourced. I really hope people surprise them and actually contribute patches, etc
Nov 20 07:48:00 <GeneralAntilles> and, sadly, I think the pessimism about the likelihood of community devs jump in once the source is out there is justified.
Nov 20 07:48:00 <qwerty12> +1
Nov 20 07:48:27 * johnx sighs
Nov 20 07:48:27 * GeneralAntilles may make that an issue to push.
Nov 20 07:48:27 * johnx gets back to his own projects
Nov 20 07:48:45 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, it's Python learnin' time for you, buddy. :P
Nov 20 07:49:38 <johnx> ahaha, maybe I'll smack rm_you around and get him working on it
Nov 20 07:49:55 <johnx> he really does like watching video on his tablet I know
Nov 20 07:49:55 * GeneralAntilles high-fives johnx.
Nov 20 07:50:04 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds like a plan! :D
Nov 20 07:54:28 <qwerty12_> ~strangle ndiswrapper until it chokes and dies
Nov 20 07:54:28 * infobot strangles ndiswrapper until it chokes and dies with a keyboard cord.
Nov 20 07:54:47 <johnx> classy
Nov 20 07:54:52 <johnx> but yes, that's why none of us uses it
Nov 20 07:55:00 * qwerty12_ is a cheap bastard, I have no choice ;p
Nov 20 07:55:00 <qwerty12_> *:P
Nov 20 07:55:01 <johnx> <- used to be
Nov 20 07:55:11 <johnx> enough fighting with crappy reverse engineered drivers and windows emulation cured that
Nov 20 07:55:28 <johnx> almost drove me to a Mac in the process, until I realized if I just spent a little bit more time researching, finding linux compatible hardware really isn't that hard
Nov 20 07:55:55 <qwerty12> It doesn't help that I'm using a ndiswrapper module compiled for 2.6.27 on a 2.6.24 kernel :/
Nov 20 07:56:23 <qwerty12> johnx, At the time, Linux compatibility wasn't an issue for me as I was using windows only then :/
Nov 20 07:56:27 <johnx> and next time you'll know better :)
Nov 20 07:56:50 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, I can't bring myself to learn any language :P
Nov 20 07:56:50 <qwerty12> :P
Nov 20 07:57:16 <johnx> welcome to learning the hard way
Nov 20 07:57:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's just a matter of applying the correct incentive. *eg*
Nov 20 07:57:36 <qwerty12> johnx, my computer knows too when I'm always doing a REISUB :P
Nov 20 07:57:48 <qwerty12> heh :p
Nov 20 07:59:00 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, where are those services descriptions.
Nov 20 07:59:02 <GeneralAntilles> Tick tock. . . . :P
Nov 20 07:59:25 <johnx> I just use s u b
Nov 20 08:00:15 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Well, as I was typing, all my keyboard output was getting sent to /dev/null and I realised it too late...
Nov 20 08:00:15 <qwerty12> ^was
Nov 20 08:14:21 <Meiz_n810> is there a cx3110x-umac-module .deb for deblet somewhere?
Nov 20 08:14:56 <johnx> http://trac.tspre.org/deblet/pool/main/c/cx3110x-module/
Nov 20 08:14:58 <johnx> the umac.ko can come from your OS2008 install
Nov 20 08:16:26 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 20 08:16:26 <Meiz_n810> thanks
Nov 20 08:17:00 <johnx> sure :)
Nov 20 08:20:32 <Meiz_n810> apt wants umac deb... cannot install tablet-wireless
Nov 20 08:21:08 <johnx> ah, I just unpacked the deb and copied stuff around
Nov 20 08:21:57 <Meiz_n810> deblet-installer builds it on tablet?
Nov 20 08:22:02 <Meiz_n810> (the umac-module)
Nov 20 08:22:02 <johnx> it might, I honestly don't know :)
Nov 20 08:22:07 <johnx> probably
Nov 20 08:31:03 <vincenzo88> Hello all !
Nov 20 08:31:20 <johnx> hi
Nov 20 09:06:33 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 20 09:07:13 <johnx> morning Jaffa :D
Nov 20 09:08:39 <X-Fade> Morning.
Nov 20 09:40:41 <johnx> well ha!
Nov 20 09:42:09 <johnx> infobot, lart sapwood and hildon-input-method for being a pain
Nov 20 09:42:09 * infobot executes killall -KILL sapwood and hildon-input-method for being a pain
Nov 20 09:42:10 <johnx> how very appropriate
Nov 20 09:42:10 <johnx> ~botsnack
Nov 20 09:42:10 <infobot> thanks, johnx
Nov 20 09:49:38 <johnx> ok, so my current assumption is that the current trunk versions of hildon-input-method, sapwood and gtk+ don't play all that well together
Nov 20 09:54:24 <Stskeeps> morning johnx
Nov 20 09:55:10 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://jaiku.com/channel/merbuilder , http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/
Nov 20 09:56:32 <johnx> mornin' Stskeeps
Nov 20 09:56:36 <johnx> I've got hildon-input-method working as long as you don't need to see the characters or the buttons
Nov 20 09:56:57 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 20 09:57:34 <johnx> wow...that kind of seems like an abuse of jaiku, but I can follow it with rss which is awesome
Nov 20 09:59:04 <Stskeeps> the app that runs it can be used with multiple build boxes too, if they can be sshed to
Nov 20 10:00:09 <Stskeeps> and i'll make the log urls and such be on http
Nov 20 10:02:22 <Stskeeps> johnx: seems like a sane way? control in #merbuilder, status reports on the presence
Nov 20 10:02:32 <Stskeeps> it determines access based on nickname
Nov 20 10:02:49 <johnx> certainly an interesting way
Nov 20 10:03:33 <johnx> yeah, seems sane, and definitely appropriately experimental
Nov 20 10:03:54 <Stskeeps> and commands are in form of <regexp for archs> <bzr branch>
Nov 20 10:04:11 <Stskeeps> so you can do jaunty* or hasty* etc
Nov 20 10:04:25 <hahlobit> Stskeeps: i got W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt mount -t proc proc /proc
Nov 20 10:04:36 <Stskeeps> in what, sorry?
Nov 20 10:06:11 <hahlobit> when run command
Nov 20 10:06:11 <hahlobit> debootstrap --verbose --arch armel jaunty /opt http://ports.ubuntu.com/
Nov 20 10:06:48 <Stskeeps> does /opt exist and have a ext3 filesystem mounted on it?
Nov 20 10:07:11 <hahlobit> yes
Nov 20 10:07:51 <hahlobit> or /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /opt type ext2 (rw)
Nov 20 10:07:51 <hahlobit> but i did mkfs.ext3
Nov 20 10:08:48 <Stskeeps> hahlobit: i'm not entirely sure, try probe Meiz_n810, he did jaunty on the tablets
Nov 20 10:08:52 <hahlobit> is it cause wrong fs?
Nov 20 10:09:20 <hahlobit> ok
Nov 20 10:11:13 <Stskeeps> johnx: and http://trac.tspre.org/mer/ as well
Nov 20 10:11:16 <Stskeeps> (been busy..)
Nov 20 10:11:38 <johnx> wow!
Nov 20 10:11:47 <johnx> did you build straight from hardy to jaunty?
Nov 20 10:12:09 <Stskeeps> well i havent actually started a full blown compile yet
Nov 20 10:12:16 <Stskeeps> as i'm looking for the appropiate cflags
Nov 20 10:12:37 <Stskeeps> i don't assume mojo/jaunty's set them to target armv5 / armv5-vfp / armv6-vfp on thier own
Nov 20 10:13:07 <johnx> it's set inside their version of gcc IIRC
Nov 20 10:13:13 <johnx> as in, the optimizations flags are the defaults
Nov 20 10:15:14 <Stskeeps> so when i compile in a mojo armv6-vfp it makes it compile for armv6-vfp?
Nov 20 10:15:53 <johnx> I think that's what they were saying
Nov 20 10:15:56 <johnx> let me find the page
Nov 20 10:16:02 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 20 10:16:39 <Stskeeps> but anyway, when we give the builder a branch it will compile for all 4 arm bases, and for i386 as well
Nov 20 10:19:57 <Stskeeps> which means we can at any point build images for these archs
Nov 20 10:22:51 <Stskeeps> and if we say, start focusing on jaunty instead of mojo, this is possible too
Nov 20 10:23:12 <Stskeeps> or if someone wants to build an image for an armv5, they can too :P
Nov 20 10:23:37 <johnx> woo :)
Nov 20 10:28:02 * Stskeeps wants to see maemo on his old via laptop ;)
Nov 20 10:28:09 <Stskeeps> or on the touchscreen at work
Nov 20 10:28:36 <johnx> ubuntu's wiki on their arm port is interesting reading :)
Nov 20 10:29:10 <johnx> mmm...makes me want to find money for one of those old crusoe based mini-notebooks
Nov 20 10:30:35 <johnx> it looks like there's a way to set default CFLAGS / LDFLAGS globally for builds
Nov 20 10:30:49 <johnx> http://209.85.175.132/search?q=cache:KM0rKpLrIEEJ:www.handhelds.org/hypermail/mojo/current/0085.html+mojo+ubuntu+gcc+optimizations+default&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a
Nov 20 10:32:29 <Stskeeps> yeah, armv5el: ++#define SUBTARGET_CPU_DEFAULT TARGET_CPU_arm10tdmi
Nov 20 10:34:57 <Stskeeps> alright then
Nov 20 10:35:02 <Stskeeps> no need for pretty cflags
Nov 20 10:35:09 <Stskeeps> let's hope ubuntu arm does similar :P
Nov 20 10:39:05 <Meiz_n810> why so many different dists in trac.tspre.org/mer?
Nov 20 10:39:54 <johnx> Stskeeps, looks like they're doing things differently :(
Nov 20 10:40:09 <johnx> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MobileAndEmbedded/ARM-EL-port
Nov 20 10:40:11 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: covering our bases
Nov 20 10:40:29 <johnx> they seem to be setting CFLAGS / LDFLAGS globally?
Nov 20 10:40:29 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 20 10:40:31 <Stskeeps> johnx: i have come to realize the only way to get authorative info is to ask in #ubuntu-arm
Nov 20 10:41:19 <johnx> what network is that? freenode or ...?
Nov 20 10:41:45 <Stskeeps> yeah
Nov 20 10:42:39 <johnx> heh...we're developing a #maemo delegation in that channel :)
Nov 20 10:43:38 <Stskeeps> my biggest point against the ubuntu arm thing wasn't something nokia directly knew of or participate in, is that the place isn't swarming with nokia people :P
Nov 20 10:43:50 <Stskeeps> beagle has quite a bit of them
Nov 20 10:46:01 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks, Stskeeps. :P
Nov 20 10:46:03 <hahlobit> Stskeeps: you don't like nokia people?
Nov 20 10:46:32 <Stskeeps> hahlobit: no no, i didn't say that
Nov 20 10:46:33 <GeneralAntilles> Nobody likes Nokia people
Nov 20 10:46:33 <GeneralAntilles> They're like lepers.
Nov 20 10:46:55 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 20 10:46:55 <hahlobit> hehe
Nov 20 10:46:56 <GeneralAntilles> or cockroaches.
Nov 20 10:47:14 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/20/asus-eee-top-launched-loved-by-children-and-product-waifs/
Nov 20 10:47:21 <GeneralAntilles> (love the title)
Nov 20 10:47:44 <johnx> engadget is exactly the right amount of snarky 90% of the time
Nov 20 10:48:42 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Nov 20 10:48:43 <GeneralAntilles> They really know their trade.
Nov 20 10:51:07 <hahlobit> second try with debootstrap seems to go better
Nov 20 11:15:29 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, :) told you
Nov 20 11:16:02 * lcuk wants a sugar daddy to buy him one :$
Nov 20 11:18:03 <Jaffa> Could be nice with Ubuntu Netbook edition for the kiddies
Nov 20 11:18:05 <Jaffa> Nice replacement for Alex's old ThinkPad at some point
Nov 20 11:23:08 * Stskeeps wonders how speedy maemo is on a 2ghz
Nov 20 11:23:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 20 11:25:32 * johnx doesn't even want to think about why this works:
Nov 20 11:27:32 <lcuk> i just want to push a sketch down from the big screen onto my tablet to take away with me
Nov 20 11:27:32 <johnx> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/gqview-keyboard.png
Nov 20 11:28:15 <lcuk> Stskeeps, did you see the forum comment about audio in the graffiti - i wanted wind noises, someone said book page flipping sounds
Nov 20 11:28:37 <johnx> +1 for book flipping :)
Nov 20 11:28:54 <inz> +1 for silence
Nov 20 11:29:13 <lcuk> yeah, sounds quite nice actually, dunno how well it would work, i just wanted a nice bit of ambient
Nov 20 11:29:32 <lcuk> lol inz, ill make sure volume is set to max for you
Nov 20 11:29:53 <johnx> ~kill h-i-m
Nov 20 11:29:53 * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized anti-proton gun at h-i-m
Nov 20 11:30:01 <inz> lcuk, don't bother, not really using it anyway
Nov 20 11:31:15 <GeneralAntilles> The problem with sounds is that the variety usually sucks
Nov 20 11:42:09 <sampo> how can i encode my icon to base64 with uuencode ?
Nov 20 11:42:43 <sampo> lets say if i have icon.png
Nov 20 11:43:37 <Jaffa> sampo: if you browse the mud-builder svn, lib/MUD/Build.pm does it based on arbitrarily provided icons for the package.
Nov 20 11:44:45 <RST38h> sampo: uuencode -m
Nov 20 11:44:45 <GeneralAntilles> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/lib/MUD/Build.pm?revision=241&root=mud-builder&view=markup
Nov 20 11:45:00 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ta
Nov 20 11:49:41 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, do you know about the errors after commenting?
Nov 20 11:50:59 <X-Fade> No, but I will check it out.
Nov 20 11:51:27 <johnx> alright, so h-i-m crashes when you press return or backspace but other than that basic text entry is possible
Nov 20 11:51:27 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/comment-error.jpg
Nov 20 11:52:33 <X-Fade> Ah, well I can fix that easily.
Nov 20 11:52:51 <sampo> how about those few '=' marks at the end of encoded output, should i include those if i paste that output to XB-Maemo-Icon-26 field on debian/control file?
Nov 20 11:53:23 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Should be better now.
Nov 20 11:53:23 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks
Nov 20 11:53:27 * X-Fade shoots PEAR.
Nov 20 11:54:50 <johnx> so, mer-people (mer-men and mer-maids?) what's the next thing to get packaged as part of the proof of concept?
Nov 20 11:55:09 <Jaffa> sampo: yes, include the ==: they're padding to make it valid Base64
Nov 20 11:55:14 <GeneralAntilles> The rest of the Hildon stuff?
Nov 20 11:56:11 <sampo> ok thanx :)
Nov 20 11:56:11 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, well yes, that is the eventual goal. I was looking more for a single package that interests people, or pulls in a lot of interesting deps, or is shiny
Nov 20 11:56:25 <GeneralAntilles> I Am Free is shiny. :P
Nov 20 11:57:30 <johnx> What is your personal favorite, all-open-source, can't-live-without app?
Nov 20 11:57:52 <GeneralAntilles> Did Stskeeps already do FBReader?
Nov 20 12:01:32 <RST38h> johnx: /usr/bin/kill ?
Nov 20 12:01:59 <johnx|zaurus> RST38h: there's a hildonized kill?
Nov 20 12:02:14 <RST38h> sure there is, part of the CPU Load
Nov 20 12:02:56 <johnx|zaurus> aaah, well the cpu-load applet might be interesting
Nov 20 12:07:17 <GeneralAntilles> Wait, um, x11vnc update?
Nov 20 12:07:17 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right, tz uploaded it.
Nov 20 12:07:35 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, let me check if fbreader is there. I remember him working on it but he might have run into problems
Nov 20 12:07:47 <sampo> where should this XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: info show when i install an updated package?
Nov 20 12:11:21 <sampo> in my opinion someone should add screenshots to this page http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_packaging_features_you-re_missing_out_on/XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: to get better understanding what kind of changes are to be made
Nov 20 12:11:26 <GeneralAntilles> sampo, it works the same as the Description: field.
Nov 20 12:11:43 <X-Fade> sampo: Pester GeneralAntilles ;)
Nov 20 12:12:01 <GeneralAntilles> sampo, I was considering it, but gave up when Canola and Carman didn't have a perfect little contrast to illustrate the pretty names. . . .
Nov 20 12:12:40 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, I think I can get that screenshot now.
Nov 20 12:12:46 <GeneralAntilles> sampo, I'll look at it later today.
Nov 20 12:13:33 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, do I know how to add images?
Nov 20 12:14:03 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Do you have an image icon in the editor?
Nov 20 12:15:49 <GeneralAntilles> Umm
Nov 20 12:15:49 <GeneralAntilles> No?
Nov 20 12:16:54 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta go get groceries
Nov 20 12:16:55 <GeneralAntilles> will be back later.
Nov 20 12:17:22 <RST38h>  *  gb_ia_os_default_TLB_remove_all --
Nov 20 12:17:22 <RST38h>  *
Nov 20 12:17:22 <RST38h>  *  Removes all entries from TLB
Nov 20 12:17:22 <RST38h>  *
Nov 20 12:17:22 <RST38h>  * Input:
Nov 20 12:17:22 <RST38h>  * ------
Nov 20 12:17:30 <RST38h>  *  o unit_id - CODE or DATA TLB
Nov 20 12:17:30 <RST38h>  *  o remove_locked - remove locked entries ?
Nov 20 12:17:30 <RST38h>  *
Nov 20 12:17:30 <RST38h>  * Output:
Nov 20 12:17:30 <RST38h>  * -------
Nov 20 12:17:30 <RST38h>  * none
Nov 20 12:17:30 <RST38h>  *
Nov 20 12:17:30 <RST38h>  *---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nov 20 12:17:31 <RST38h>  */
Nov 20 12:17:31 <RST38h> FUNC void gb_ia_os_default_TLB_remove_all(TLB_unit_id_t unit_id,
Nov 20 12:17:31 <RST38h>                                           Bool_t purge_global_pages)
Nov 20 12:17:40 <RST38h> {
Nov 20 12:17:40 <RST38h>   TLB_sub_unit_t *TLB;
Nov 20 12:17:40 <RST38h>   TLB_entry_t *TLB_entry;
Nov 20 12:17:40 <RST38h>   int i;
Nov 20 12:17:40 <RST38h>   GB_IA_DPRINTF(TLB_UNIT_DBG, ("TLB remove \n"));
Nov 20 12:17:41 <RST38h>   TLB       = &GB_CURRENT_CPU_DATA_ACCESS(TLB_controls).unit[unit_id];
Nov 20 12:17:41 <aquatix> flood!
Nov 20 12:17:41 <RST38h>   TLB_entry = TLB->data_ptr;
Nov 20 12:17:41 <RST38h>   for(i=0;i<TLB->config.size;++i)
Nov 20 12:17:41 <RST38h>     if(TLB_entry[i].active&&(purge_global_pages||!TLB_entry[i].global))
Nov 20 12:17:41 <RST38h>       remove_one_tlb_entry(unit_id,i);
Nov 20 12:17:49 <johnx> run for the hills!
Nov 20 12:17:50 <RST38h> }
Nov 20 12:17:50 <RST38h> Oh holy shit
Nov 20 12:17:50 * RST38h is sorry, really sorry
Nov 20 12:18:06 * aquatix slaps RST38h 
Nov 20 12:18:10 * RST38h shaves his head in shame
Nov 20 12:18:11 <aquatix> ooh, shiny ;)
Nov 20 12:18:20 <johnx> just glad I'm not the only one who does that :)
Nov 20 12:18:36 <aquatix> irssi asks whether you really want to paste such a text
Nov 20 12:18:36 <aquatix> johnx: ghehe
Nov 20 12:18:56 <aquatix> RST38h: nah, it's ok, shit happens :)
Nov 20 12:19:08 <sampo> hmm but i cant see that field anywhere, let say if i have version 1.0 installed and i install over version 1.1 ... i cant see update changelog anywhere... where is it supposed to show? in what dialog... i hope you get those screenshots :)
Nov 20 12:19:59 <aquatix> behind the Details button in the appmanager?
Nov 20 12:20:31 <hahlobit> Stskeeps: got deblet-installer related error  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/deblet.png', which is also in package deblet-installer
Nov 20 12:21:02 <sampo> aquatix: there is only 3 tabs, Summary, Description and Uninstalling
Nov 20 12:21:05 <Stskeeps> hahlobit: trying to install Easy Debian?
Nov 20 12:21:11 <sampo> but i gotta go now... lets sort it out later:)
Nov 20 12:21:12 <sampo> bye ->
Nov 20 12:21:19 <Stskeeps> if so, complain to qole :P
Nov 20 12:22:04 <hahlobit> Stskeeps: yes
Nov 20 12:22:20 <hahlobit> easy-deb-chroot
Nov 20 12:22:35 <mib_nnm79f> hey
Nov 20 12:23:06 <mib_nnm79f> does anyone know how i can install packages to mmc2? because i ran out of space in a week like that
Nov 20 12:24:41 <johnx> you can boot from sd if you want
Nov 20 12:24:42 <guysoft4222> jonx, is that a good idea?
Nov 20 12:24:48 <johnx> if you have no space: yes
Nov 20 12:26:11 <guysoft4222> jonx, do you do that?
Nov 20 12:26:29 <johnx> no, I have plenty of space left
Nov 20 12:27:19 <guysoft4222> johnx, you do well with 256MB for the complete system?
Nov 20 12:27:21 <johnx> yes
Nov 20 12:27:24 <hahlobit> i do boot sdcard
Nov 20 12:27:25 <johnx> I have about 50MB free
Nov 20 12:30:00 <guysoft4222> hahlobit, and how do you install the maemo system on the sd card?
Nov 20 12:31:08 <johnx> ~boot-from-sd
Nov 20 12:31:08 <infobot> it has been said that boot-from-sd is http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Nov 20 12:35:59 <hahlobit> guysoft4222: yes copy or clone i should say
Nov 20 12:43:20 <guysoft4222> hahlobit, is there a manual for this?
Nov 20 12:48:08 <hahlobit> guysoft4222: follow that http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Nov 20 12:48:51 <guysoft4222> thanks :-)
Nov 20 12:49:01 <guysoft4222> btw - is unitonfs a good idea?: http://www.hczim.de/software/mmc-unionfs.html
Nov 20 12:49:50 <johnx> guysoft422, no
Nov 20 12:51:49 <guysoft4222> johnx thanks :-)
Nov 20 12:52:07 <guysoft4222> one more question - how can i get java installed on the microb browser?
Nov 20 12:53:35 <RST38h> you can't
Nov 20 12:53:35 <RST38h> ah, he couldn't
Nov 20 12:55:15 <johnx> java probably crashed his browser :)
Nov 20 12:55:36 <RST38h> Mention of Java crashed his computer =)
Nov 20 12:55:54 <johnx> his computer: "oh god! not more java programs! *dies*"
Nov 20 12:55:55 * RST38h looks into the window: there is b&w snowstorm raging
Nov 20 12:55:56 <lcuk> most sensible reason is he clicked his own link in mibbit ;)
Nov 20 12:55:57 <RST38h> johnx: Eats last memory and swap file, then dies
Nov 20 12:55:57 * guysoft4222 got disconnected
Nov 20 12:56:25 <Stskeeps> "Authors of code accepted in a software component are entitled to get copyright assignment when the solution provided conforms a creative work."
Nov 20 12:56:29 <Stskeeps> huh? :P
Nov 20 12:56:36 <RST38h> guysoft: Returning to your question, you cannot.
Nov 20 12:56:46 <Stskeeps> (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_contribution_guidelines)
Nov 20 12:57:05 <guysoft4222> lcuk, i don't rmember i did.. but i guess so. thats why i need java, the network is protected here with a stupid system that needs java\
Nov 20 12:57:43 <guysoft4222> RWT38h, how come? isn't there a way to get it to work? its open source after all..
Nov 20 12:57:43 <lcuk> sensible network engineers dont want haxx0r kiddies mucking about in worktime :P
Nov 20 12:58:04 <johnx> guysoft422, yes, it is open source. so get working on it :)
Nov 20 12:58:44 <hahlobit> johnx: you aren't java fun?
Nov 20 12:59:06 <hahlobit> fan
Nov 20 12:59:32 <lcuk> Stskeeps, copyright assignment is one thing, but just wait until i patent a "method of encoding textual data insidea numeric binary representation"
Nov 20 12:59:55 <johnx> I don't particularly dislike it. I even wrote a game in it once, but I'm not going to spend my time making it work on maemo
Nov 20 13:00:56 <lcuk> johnx, you can drive cars, but you are not mr ford
Nov 20 13:01:24 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, fixing the contribution guidelines is on the agenda.
Nov 20 13:01:32 <GeneralAntilles> sampo, you have to actually be upgrading. :)
Nov 20 13:01:38 <johnx> lcuk, I can drive cars, I can build cars given enough instructions, but I won't fix yours :D
Nov 20 13:01:47 <RST38h> guysoft: It is open source but nobody gives a dman about it
Nov 20 13:02:05 <RST38h> s/dman/damn/
Nov 20 13:02:05 <infobot> RST38h meant: guysoft: It is open source but nobody gives a damn about it
Nov 20 13:02:57 <GeneralAntilles> I will die if I ever have to move to a cold climate.
Nov 20 13:03:53 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, ahaha. you ever get snow in your area?
Nov 20 13:03:53 <GeneralAntilles> Florida?
Nov 20 13:03:56 <GeneralAntilles> Like, once ever 20 years.
Nov 20 13:04:28 <RST38h> General: heating is cheaper tan refrigeration =)
Nov 20 13:04:29 <GeneralAntilles> The year I was born, but not any farther south than Jacksonville recently.
Nov 20 13:04:46 <RST38h> They get hurricanes instead ;)
Nov 20 13:04:47 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, our powergrid can't handle freezing temperatures.
Nov 20 13:04:59 <GeneralAntilles> There were blackouts and brownouts over half the state when it snowed.
Nov 20 13:05:07 <RST38h> General: it can't handle boiling temperatures too, judging from what happens every summer in MD
Nov 20 13:05:15 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not talking about MD
Nov 20 13:05:25 <GeneralAntilles> We don't have any issues with power over the summers in Florida.
Nov 20 13:05:29 * johnx has no central heat, and *does* get snow
Nov 20 13:05:44 <Raytray> GeneralAntilles, Go visit Count in Alaska. :P
Nov 20 13:05:49 <RST38h> So what actually happens in FL? Is it just ice on the wiring? Or too many heaters?
Nov 20 13:05:54 <derf> johnx: Yay Japan.
Nov 20 13:06:48 <GeneralAntilles> Icing screwing up the infrastructure
Nov 20 13:06:53 <GeneralAntilles> You should see how long it takes for them to get things going after a hurricane.
Nov 20 13:06:57 <johnx> yeah, apparently my aircon will blow hot air, but it's 3m up the wall, making it a ceiling heater
Nov 20 13:06:57 <derf> "Go sit under the kotatsu, you pansy."
Nov 20 13:06:57 <RST38h> johnx: Lemme guess...Aluminium window frames? With holes? And a huge hole under the front door? =)
Nov 20 13:06:58 <GeneralAntilles> Hell, wimpy little tropical storms have been known to take the power out in some areas for weeks.
Nov 20 13:07:07 <RST38h> General: Icing only appears when it is not cold ENOUGH ;)
Nov 20 13:07:10 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Can you see if you now have that image icon?
Nov 20 13:07:32 <johnx> RST38h, hah...yeah, not really loving my mail slot right now, or the fan in the bathroom connected right to the outdoors
Nov 20 13:07:32 <RST38h> At -20oC all the water ioccurs in nice powdery state
Nov 20 13:08:35 <johnx> derf, I don't have a kotatsu. I'll break out the portable space heater in a bit though
Nov 20 13:08:37 <johnx> maybe tonight even
Nov 20 13:08:42 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, where should I be looking? I don't see it in the midgard floating bar and I don't see it on the page.
Nov 20 13:09:01 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: In the wysiwyg editor..
Nov 20 13:09:26 <RST38h> johnx: Somebody living in Japan reported how they tried to close off all the holes once
Nov 20 13:09:29 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, I don't know if I have one of those.
Nov 20 13:09:31 <johnx> RST38h, and suffocated on their own BO?
Nov 20 13:09:34 <GeneralAntilles> I've got one that seems to insist on HTML
Nov 20 13:09:59 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Edit article?
Nov 20 13:09:59 <RST38h> johnx: the one under the door, the window frames, the mail slots
Nov 20 13:09:59 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/community/council/edit/5852749cb4dd11dd8c204922509a3a523a52/
Nov 20 13:10:08 <RST38h> johnx: Close. The walls started getting wet.
Nov 20 13:10:09 <johnx> ahaha
Nov 20 13:10:26 <GeneralAntilles> Finally, an sv_SE translation
Nov 20 13:10:27 <GeneralAntilles> Now just no_NO and pt_PT
Nov 20 13:10:27 <guysoft4222> johnx, oh well, i guess we would have to wait.. i have no time for that now :-S
Nov 20 13:10:43 <johnx> well if you don't have time, who will have time?
Nov 20 13:11:06 <RST38h> Laid off SUN employees maybe? =)
Nov 20 13:11:30 <RST38h> BTW, with DOW <8000 we are gonna have lots of those now
Nov 20 13:11:51 <johnx> well looks like apple and linux will be the last real commercially supported unices :)
Nov 20 13:12:55 <RST38h> Well, I don't think Solaris is that close to the grave yet
Nov 20 13:13:44 <johnx> somehow I don't see a huge comeback in its future
Nov 20 13:13:58 <Stskeeps> zfs is lovely
Nov 20 13:14:30 <guysoft4222> johnx, someone that does not need java to access the VPN in the university, because the already have a degree i guess..
Nov 20 13:15:12 <johnx> ok, then just keep waiting
Nov 20 13:15:43 <Jaffa> ~/last jaffa
Nov 20 13:16:00 <Jaffa> x
Nov 20 13:22:02 <RST38h> guysoft: What does Java have to do with VPN?
Nov 20 13:33:47 * guysoft4222 seems to be having a problem
Nov 20 13:34:01 <GeneralAntilles> Woo, 1,500
Nov 20 13:57:22 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: your karma's gone wild.
Nov 20 13:57:55 <Jaffa> (but not reached 1500 yet)
Nov 20 13:58:18 <X-Fade> Jaffa: He really is a Karma wh*** lately ;)
Nov 20 13:59:43 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, I blame it on things I contribute intensely to suddenly being counted. :P
Nov 20 13:59:56 <GeneralAntilles> Though the master plan called for at least a 1:1 ratio of Thanks! to karma points originally. ;)
Nov 20 14:00:11 <Jaffa> :)
Nov 20 14:00:44 <X-Fade> I actually reflects your contributions quite well now.
Nov 20 14:00:51 <X-Fade> *think
Nov 20 14:01:05 <X-Fade> *it
Nov 20 14:01:10 <X-Fade> Mental package loss, sorry ;)
Nov 20 14:01:51 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade is the child of my contributions?
Nov 20 14:01:51 <GeneralAntilles> Creepy.
Nov 20 14:33:26 * Stskeeps starts up the builder and hears it roar.
Nov 20 14:34:02 * johnx compiles roxterm to go with his working h-i-m
Nov 20 14:34:09 <Stskeeps> it works now?
Nov 20 14:34:55 <johnx> well, it crashes when I hit backspace or return
Nov 20 14:34:55 <johnx> no idea why
Nov 20 14:35:03 <Stskeeps> heh
Nov 20 14:35:39 <johnx> no idea what fixed it either except that I recompiled with some debugging printfs, it worked, took them out, recompiled and it still works
Nov 20 14:35:46 <Stskeeps> http://trac.tspre.org:8000/jaunty-i386_1227191591.14.log
Nov 20 14:36:09 <Stskeeps> gah
Nov 20 14:36:14 <Stskeeps> wtf is wrong with this connection
Nov 20 14:36:22 <Stskeeps> either that or trac.tspre.org is fucked
Nov 20 14:36:50 <Stskeeps> everything peers so
Nov 20 14:38:30 <johnx> hmm? what's wrong?
Nov 20 14:38:37 * GeneralAntilles takes some screenshots.
Nov 20 14:38:57 <Stskeeps> johnx: usb0 connection very unstable on beagleboard or something
Nov 20 14:39:31 <johnx> ah, sad
Nov 20 14:40:17 <Stskeeps> or my NAT setup
Nov 20 14:40:19 <Stskeeps> not entirely sure
Nov 20 14:40:29 * Stskeeps ponders a bridge instead
Nov 20 14:40:45 <johnx> no! don't jump
Nov 20 14:40:46 <GeneralAntilles> What kernel are you using?
Nov 20 14:41:03 <Stskeeps> 2.6.26-omap1-oer62
Nov 20 14:41:11 <GeneralAntilles> (less because I have anything useful to contribute than because I'm interested. :P)
Nov 20 14:45:45 <GeneralAntilles> Can anybody think of a package using upgrade descriptions? . . .
Nov 20 14:47:51 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, delivery error again. . . .
Nov 20 14:57:50 <GAN800> Modest's wandering divider bar has to be the greatest thing ever.
Nov 20 14:58:06 <GAN800> I'm quite certain it's sentient.
Nov 20 14:58:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/presence/49340299 :)
Nov 20 14:58:21 <X-Fade> GAN800: I have actually been thinking that it saves the position mirrored.
Nov 20 14:58:46 <johnx> Stskeeps, ah, more fun with circular deps?
Nov 20 14:58:46 <X-Fade> So when it is at 40%|60% it restores as 60%|40%.
Nov 20 14:59:01 <Stskeeps> johnx: more like i dont think maemo glib is supposed to be built on i386
Nov 20 14:59:13 <Stskeeps> but i'll see what jaunty says
Nov 20 14:59:23 <Stskeeps>  / armel
Nov 20 14:59:32 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: SDK?
Nov 20 14:59:38 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Surely that is i386..
Nov 20 14:59:49 <Stskeeps> well, ok, libtool 2.* it seems like
Nov 20 15:00:04 <Stskeeps> as it fails on armel too
Nov 20 15:00:22 <GAN800> X-Fade 3/97 seems to be remembered properly
Nov 20 15:00:36 <Stskeeps> bbl bus
Nov 20 15:00:48 <GAN800> It's probably trying to fit the folder texy.
Nov 20 15:00:50 <GAN800> s/texy/text/
Nov 20 15:00:51 <infobot> GAN800 meant: It's probably trying to fit the folder text.
Nov 20 15:05:37 <mimshita> hi!
Nov 20 15:06:42 <rjelari> hi
Nov 20 15:07:13 <mimshita> I'm trying to install the maemo-runtime-sdk for armel the ap-get gave an error and now i'm pretty much stuck, cannot remove the package and reinstall or install over it...
Nov 20 15:10:33 <X-Fade> mimshita: What does it say when you try to remove the package?
Nov 20 15:11:01 <mimshita> E: Sub-process /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Nov 20 15:12:02 <mimshita> couldn't open log `/var/log/dpkg.log': Permission denied
Nov 20 15:12:02 <mimshita> dpkg-deb: failed to create directory: Permission denied
Nov 20 15:12:16 <X-Fade> mimshita: Inside scratchbox?
Nov 20 15:12:25 <mimshita> yes
Nov 20 15:12:38 <X-Fade> try putting fakeroot in front of it..
Nov 20 15:13:47 <mimshita> no sorry....i was on another window...i'm an ass...
Nov 20 15:14:04 <RST38h> X-Fade: Attention: mimshita is from .pt domain!
Nov 20 15:14:12 <RST38h> X-Fade: You know what to ask ;)
Nov 20 15:14:20 <X-Fade> RST38h: I already had https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories#Translations handy ;)
Nov 20 15:14:24 <RST38h> hehe
Nov 20 15:14:29 <mimshita> X-Fade: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory
Nov 20 15:14:54 <X-Fade> mimshita: That last thing doesn't matter.
Nov 20 15:16:08 <Meizirkki> do you know a way to get internet from ubuntubox to n810?
Nov 20 15:16:12 <mimshita> X-Fade: sorry?
Nov 20 15:16:14 <Meizirkki> i have only cable internet here
Nov 20 15:16:16 <X-Fade> mimshita: dpkg-preconfigure
Nov 20 15:16:43 <disco_stu> Meizirkki, ubuntubox is wifi capable?
Nov 20 15:16:44 <Meizirkki> disco_stu: yes
Nov 20 15:17:02 <disco_stu> you can share cable through wifi then
Nov 20 15:17:24 <Meizirkki> but i don't know how (using hardy)
Nov 20 15:17:35 <disco_stu> i'll show you
Nov 20 15:17:58 <mimshita> Setting up gconf2 (2.16.0-1osso9) ...
Nov 20 15:17:58 <mimshita> dpkg: error processing gconf2 (--configure):
Nov 20 15:17:58 <mimshita>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Nov 20 15:18:35 <disco_stu> Meizirkki,
Nov 20 15:18:39 <Meizirkki> mimshita: may be corrupted archive, delete it and download agn
Nov 20 15:19:01 <qwerty12> mimshita, is this in scratchbox?
Nov 20 15:19:18 <mgedmin> it's definitely a bug in the package
Nov 20 15:19:42 <mimshita> yes in scratchox.. the thing is i can't delete... this is remove result...
Nov 20 15:19:42 <mgedmin> you may need to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst to recover
Nov 20 15:20:04 <mgedmin> hmm... remove runs post-inst? well, maybe
Nov 20 15:20:08 <disco_stu> Meizirkki, http://www.fmhq.com.ar/2008/08/compartir-conexion-internet.html
Nov 20 15:20:42 <disco_stu> thats my blog, it is in spanish but you'll understand i guess
Nov 20 15:20:59 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, If you really want an example of an h-a-m update description, I could update subcatstest...
Nov 20 15:21:16 <mimshita> edit, dunno what ot write...
Nov 20 15:21:41 <GAN800> qwerty12, nah, not important. I can mock it up in 5 minutes.
Nov 20 15:21:41 <disco_stu> Meizirkki, you need only the 5 cli lines
Nov 20 15:22:33 <disco_stu> change what is in blu to match your set-up
Nov 20 15:26:41 <mimshita> mgedmin: edit... dunno what ot write...
Nov 20 15:26:52 <puffandstuff> hello
Nov 20 15:27:03 <aquatix> hi puffandstuff
Nov 20 15:27:17 <Meizirkki> disco_stu: thanks a lot
Nov 20 15:28:06 <puffandstuff> is there any paper describing maemo graphic requirements (gpu, performaces etc ..)
Nov 20 15:28:28 <mgedmin> mimshita: pastebin the current one
Nov 20 15:28:58 <mgedmin> insert 'set -x' after the first line, try 'dpkg --configure -a' again
Nov 20 15:28:58 <mgedmin> you'll see which command fails
Nov 20 15:29:14 <mgedmin> could be it's just missing an 'exit 0' at the very end
Nov 20 15:29:33 <disco_stu> Meizirkki, you'll need to set an ip to your tablet manually. within the range you have configured
Nov 20 15:29:53 <Meizirkki> okay
Nov 20 15:30:23 <puffandstuff> well wich x extensions the project use (xgl, glx aiglx etc...) sorry if my question looks huge
Nov 20 15:30:56 <disco_stu> if you cant let me know and we can go step by step
Nov 20 15:34:13 <mimshita> mgedmin: http://pastebin.com/d5a5b8a9e
Nov 20 15:35:54 <mgedmin> mimshita: ok, the error is clear enough
Nov 20 15:36:04 <mgedmin> but could you also paste the source of the postinst script?
Nov 20 15:36:54 <mimshita> sure
Nov 20 15:37:22 <mimshita> mgedmin: http://pastebin.com/d7c967817
Nov 20 15:38:37 <mgedmin> well, if you add '|| true' at the end of 'chown messagebus:messagebus /var/lib/gconf', dpkg won't abort the installation/deinstallation
Nov 20 15:38:49 <mgedmin> but gconf won't work
Nov 20 15:39:16 <mgedmin> but your scratchbox should have a messagebus user defined in /etc/passwd
Nov 20 15:39:17 <mgedmin> mine has
Nov 20 15:39:25 <mgedmin> which scratchbox is this?
Nov 20 15:39:52 <mimshita> maemo 4.0
Nov 20 15:41:17 <mimshita> it uses apophis
Nov 20 15:42:17 <mimshita> mgedmin: I was searching, it's version 1.0.8
Nov 20 15:46:40 <Stskeeps> neat sideeffect of survey about porting problems.. nokia people actually stating what has been fixed
Nov 20 15:47:25 <qwerty12> The same shit about it's all been fixed in fremantle, fuck you diablo users makes me yawn though
Nov 20 15:47:42 <mimshita> mgedmin:messagebus is not defined in etc/passwd
Nov 20 15:49:08 <Stskeeps> yeah, true
Nov 20 15:49:49 <Rjelari> could some one help me out compiling hildon-desktop-2.0 ?
Nov 20 15:50:03 <Rjelari> i am getting compilation error.
Nov 20 15:50:04 <Stskeeps> where are you trying to compile it? :P
Nov 20 15:50:43 <mgedmin> mimshita: I believe /etc/passwd comes from the rootstrap
Nov 20 15:50:52 <Rjelari> in scratch box?
Nov 20 15:50:52 <mgedmin> 4.0 is diablo, right?
Nov 20 15:51:05 <mgedmin> I have diablo (the armel version), and my /etc/passwd has messagebus...
Nov 20 15:51:38 <johnx> 4.1 is diablo
Nov 20 15:52:01 <mimshita> mgedmin:well following what is said in the instalation howto is chinook
Nov 20 15:52:18 <mgedmin> ah
Nov 20 15:54:57 <Rjelari> Stskeeps,  i get the following error
Nov 20 15:54:58 <Rjelari> usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:347: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89
Nov 20 15:54:58 <Rjelari> /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:356: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89
Nov 20 15:56:50 <qwerty12> Warning != error
Nov 20 15:59:33 <Rjelari> qwerty12,  ;).. but the compilation stops  /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gutils.h:356: warning: C99 inline functions are not supported; using GNU89
Nov 20 15:59:34 <Rjelari> make[2]: *** [libtasknavigatorpolicy_la-tasknavigator-policy.lo] Error 1
Nov 20 15:59:34 <Rjelari> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/rjelari/packages/hildon-desktop-2.0.18/policies'
Nov 20 15:59:34 <Rjelari> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
Nov 20 15:59:34 <Rjelari> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rjelari/packages/hildon-desktop-2.0.18'
Nov 20 15:59:35 <Rjelari> make: *** [all] Error 2
Nov 20 16:00:45 <Rjelari> just trying to compile hildon-desktop in scratch box
Nov 20 16:01:19 <qwerty12> Hrm, you've reminded me anyway, I need to compile hildon-desktop too with Rafi's latest patch
Nov 20 16:01:53 <X-Fade> Can I have a quick poll amongst the developers here what to do about: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/beware-personal_launcher/
Nov 20 16:02:05 <X-Fade> What should we do if we detect misbehaving applications?
Nov 20 16:03:16 <Rjelari> qwerty12,  ;).  but still!.... appreciated if you let me know how to resolve this !
Nov 20 16:04:16 <t_s_o> while not a dev, i would say one should contact the one working on the app and tell them about the problem...
Nov 20 16:05:05 <X-Fade> t_s_o: But meanwhile people trash their devices..
Nov 20 16:05:13 <qwerty12> Rjelari, I really don't know :/. I've already compiled it 3 times successfully. What SDK are you using? Scratchbox 1 or 2? How are you starting the compile (configure/make, dpkg-buildpackage)?
Nov 20 16:05:13 <X-Fade> And on the other hand we don't want to be hostile..
Nov 20 16:05:59 <t_s_o> i recall using said program for quite a while, but i dont recall it being a issue. still, i have been using it out of extra-devel so long i cant say if its been fixed or not and simply have not made its way to extra proper for some reason
Nov 20 16:06:10 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: i think "extras" should have a sense of quality, imho
Nov 20 16:06:12 <mimshita> mgedmin: problem seems solved! thanks for the help
Nov 20 16:06:13 <mgedmin> np
Nov 20 16:06:23 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: but definately contact developer
Nov 20 16:06:33 <mimshita> :)
Nov 20 16:06:49 <mgedmin> X-Fade: imho harmful packages ought to be demoted to extras-devel
Nov 20 16:06:50 <t_s_o> X-Fade: meh, tell the person working on it, and them that person can take the needed step to remove it from extras...
Nov 20 16:06:59 <t_s_o> then
Nov 20 16:07:11 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Yes, but as long as we don't use thave QA before promotion we need at least some solution.
Nov 20 16:07:24 <X-Fade> t_s_o: Well, nobody can remove it, but the admins..
Nov 20 16:07:29 <X-Fade> t_s_o: But that is besides the point ;)
Nov 20 16:09:12 <mgedmin> also, the maintainer (or the person who promoted) ought to get an email with the reason for demotion
Nov 20 16:10:49 <errordeveloper> hey ..
Nov 20 16:11:15 <errordeveloper> i still cannot figure out to get the right options to mount the memory card with ext2
Nov 20 16:11:54 <errordeveloper> so that everything written to it appears with uid=29999 in maemo?
Nov 20 16:12:09 <X-Fade> I have sent the author a mail. Let's see what happens.
Nov 20 16:12:17 <johnx> errordeveloper, you could change your uid
Nov 20 16:13:17 <errordeveloper> right ..
Nov 20 16:13:30 <errordeveloper> but i'm not too keen on doing that
Nov 20 16:13:44 <johnx> well, I can't really think of any other way
Nov 20 16:13:58 <errordeveloper> then i need to chmod everything on the system
Nov 20 16:14:21 <errordeveloper> may be i should just try with gorup ..
Nov 20 16:14:40 <errordeveloper> but not sure how you will delete files after
Nov 20 16:15:00 <errordeveloper> better to have some sort of uid masking ..
Nov 20 16:18:10 <johnx> right, I don't think you'll find a way to do that
Nov 20 16:19:39 <Stskeeps> grr @ modern technology, - when for once i want to order pizza, the payment service is down
Nov 20 16:20:11 <johnx> huh? they don't have a dude come to your door and collect cash?
Nov 20 16:20:21 <johnx> I though *I* was the one living in the future...
Nov 20 16:21:21 <Stskeeps> they do, but i try to avoid carrying too much cash
Nov 20 16:21:36 <Stskeeps> primarily doing electronic payments
Nov 20 16:22:59 * Stskeeps curses that peer error
Nov 20 16:24:28 * johnx curses sapwood on the pxa270
Nov 20 16:24:42 <johnx> ah, I should see if it happens on a versatile pb
Nov 20 16:29:06 * sp3000 wonders why X-Fade changed the quotes around personal launcher in the mail subject
Nov 20 16:29:18 <sp3000> threadbreaker!
Nov 20 16:29:27 <sp3000> (well, for gmaily subject-sniffing threads anyway.)
Nov 20 16:29:27 <X-Fade> sp3000: I just hit reply? :)
Nov 20 16:29:37 <sp3000> your mua is weird :)
Nov 20 16:29:54 <aquatix> X-Fade: what mua do you use?
Nov 20 16:30:16 <sp3000> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [CVS]
Nov 20 16:30:24 <sp3000> /nick lazyirc
Nov 20 16:31:13 <sp3000> 8MB/min, srsly?!
Nov 20 16:31:41 <X-Fade> sp3000: Even http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/beware-personal_launcher/ gets it.
Nov 20 16:31:42 <X-Fade> sp3000: But weird indeed ;)
Nov 20 16:33:18 <sp3000> oops, I suck at reply-all in gmail
Nov 20 16:33:34 * sp3000 wondered where the heck the list lost his msg
Nov 20 16:33:34 <sp3000> sigh
Nov 20 16:33:39 <X-Fade> I do that too, all the time ;)
Nov 20 16:34:06 <sp3000> hey, it's google, it's supposed to DTRT automatically, or at least suggest it, right?
Nov 20 16:44:58 <X-Fade> Hmm 8MB/min leak.. That is a lot.
Nov 20 16:45:20 <X-Fade> I'll go and have dinner first. Bbl ;)
Nov 20 16:47:29 <l7> anyone know if battery life is shorter when booted from SD?
Nov 20 16:47:59 <Stskeeps> ways to make yourself more productive: shut yourself out of the server at your office when trying to make a bridge from eth0 to usb0.
Nov 20 16:48:35 <Stskeeps> that pizza come soon or i'm going to end up sitting in a fetal position and smoking cigarettes, that is how bad this day is :P
Nov 20 16:48:58 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, When are you going to release the book? :p
Nov 20 16:49:28 <Stskeeps> heh :P
Nov 20 16:52:37 <johnx> almost at the end of the week
Nov 20 16:53:00 <johnx> just hang in there
Nov 20 17:25:48 <rm_you> johnx: did you ping me?
Nov 20 17:26:17 <johnx> just said I'd coerce you into coding stuff
Nov 20 17:26:30 <johnx> nothing big :)
Nov 20 17:27:18 <rm_you> ah yes
Nov 20 17:27:30 <rm_you> i do like watching video on my tablet
Nov 20 17:27:35 <rm_you> that's basically why i have it :P
Nov 20 17:27:50 <rm_you> and is related to most of the things I actually work on
Nov 20 17:27:50 <rm_you> like a2dp
Nov 20 17:27:51 <rm_you> and mplayer
Nov 20 17:27:51 <rm_you> and streaming stuff
Nov 20 17:27:54 <rm_you> and uPnP
Nov 20 17:28:00 <rm_you> and mythtv
Nov 20 17:28:12 <rm_you> and... things
Nov 20 17:28:34 <johnx> what are you using for video these days? built in player? mplayer? canola?
Nov 20 17:29:25 <rm_you> mplayer
Nov 20 17:29:26 <rm_you> pretty much always mplayer
Nov 20 17:29:39 <rm_you> it seems to be the most reliable video player I know about, on virtually every platform I have ever touched
Nov 20 17:29:43 <rm_you> or thought about touching
Nov 20 17:29:53 <johnx> I just wish there was a way to make it play nicer with canola
Nov 20 17:30:02 <rm_you> at this point, i'm wondering if the quality of mplayer performance is actually a major deciding factor in whether or not i'll touch a platform >_>
Nov 20 17:30:22 <johnx> well it *should* be if it's not already
Nov 20 17:30:22 <rm_you> neat: http://www.quartics.com/QV1721.html
Nov 20 17:30:27 <rm_you> I want 5
Nov 20 17:30:40 <johnx> anyways, anything with an omap3 will be basically golden :)
Nov 20 17:30:40 <rm_you> on all of my devices
Nov 20 17:31:22 <johnx> realtime 1080p is pretty impressive. omap3s will cover up to 702p at least though, so not a big issue for future devices
Nov 20 17:33:20 <rm_you> http://www.fit-pc.co.uk/index.html
Nov 20 17:33:24 <rm_you> also neat
Nov 20 17:33:29 <rm_you> http://www.fit-pc.co.uk/fitpc-slim-specs.pdf
Nov 20 17:34:18 <johnx> somewhat
Nov 20 17:34:23 <johnx> I'm more impressed with the beagle really
Nov 20 17:34:25 <rm_you> isn't this smaller?
Nov 20 17:34:48 <johnx> beagle is 3"x3"
Nov 20 17:34:50 <rm_you> not sure about power consumption on the beagle...
Nov 20 17:34:54 * johnx 's metric conversion fails
Nov 20 17:35:03 <rm_you> I might need 5 or 7 of them though
Nov 20 17:35:03 <johnx> it's gonna be less than any x86 box :)
Nov 20 17:35:04 <rm_you> I need a lot of things <_<
Nov 20 17:35:08 <rm_you> and by need I mean want
Nov 20 17:35:12 <rm_you> and by want I mean need
Nov 20 17:36:07 <johnx> :P
Nov 20 17:36:12 <johnx> that is impressively small though
Nov 20 17:36:22 <rm_you> hrm
Nov 20 17:36:28 <rm_you> they only ship to europe >_>
Nov 20 17:36:39 <johnx> vga out is the only choice on that though, which is sad
Nov 20 17:36:39 <rm_you> will have to get lcuk to ship it to me :P
Nov 20 17:36:48 <rm_you> at least it HAS video out
Nov 20 17:37:01 <johnx> ow, a little steep too
Nov 20 17:37:05 <johnx> what would you use it for?
Nov 20 17:37:05 <rm_you> yeah 219 GBP
Nov 20 17:37:13 <rm_you> erm
Nov 20 17:37:15 <rm_you> good question
Nov 20 17:37:23 <rm_you> for the powers of good?
Nov 20 17:37:25 <Stskeeps> beagles are definately cheaper
Nov 20 17:37:25 <johnx> would you really though?
Nov 20 17:37:27 <Stskeeps> like 70 gbp or something
Nov 20 17:37:36 <rm_you> for great justice?
Nov 20 17:37:40 <rm_you> wow
Nov 20 17:37:40 <rm_you> hrm
Nov 20 17:37:56 <rm_you> hrm
Nov 20 17:37:56 <rm_you> yeah $149
Nov 20 17:37:56 <johnx> like the imac? and the ... other stuff... in your room...at home?
Nov 20 17:38:01 <rm_you> I do kinda want one
Nov 20 17:38:03 <rm_you> lol
Nov 20 17:38:04 <rm_you> no :P
Nov 20 17:38:30 <johnx> ahaha :D
Nov 20 17:38:30 <rm_you> that iMac is just... lol
Nov 20 17:38:44 <johnx> it should be *doing something* though
Nov 20 17:38:44 <rm_you> a very large paperweight. that just happens to completely obscure the paper
Nov 20 17:38:44 <johnx> and I have just the thing
Nov 20 17:39:13 <johnx> it should probably be running webcollage
Nov 20 17:39:13 <rm_you> did GA ever say how nice video looked on the beagle?
Nov 20 17:39:39 <johnx> I don't remember
Nov 20 17:39:49 <rm_you> hrm
Nov 20 17:39:50 <rm_you> beagle has svideo and dvi out?
Nov 20 17:40:00 <rm_you> like... mini dvi that needs a dongle or something?
Nov 20 17:40:13 <johnx> dunno
Nov 20 17:40:21 <johnx> yes, probably
Nov 20 17:40:35 <johnx> huh, says "dvi-d"
Nov 20 17:40:53 <rm_you> dunno what that is
Nov 20 17:40:53 <rm_you> but looks tiny
Nov 20 17:40:53 <rm_you> and sounds like DVI
Nov 20 17:40:57 <johnx> ah, hdmi plug
Nov 20 17:41:30 <rm_you> oh, nice shopping list
Nov 20 17:41:30 <rm_you> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/BeagleBoardShoppingList
Nov 20 17:42:16 * johnx continues to kill time waiting for ubuntu to install on qemu-system-arm
Nov 20 17:43:01 * qwerty12 wastes time *again* packaging the latest mpd with opts of all libraries involved >.<
Nov 20 17:43:02 <disco_stu> someone has a 150x sd card ?
Nov 20 17:44:02 <johnx> need. more. RAM.
Nov 20 17:46:00 <rm_you> <_<
Nov 20 17:46:08 <rm_you> I am so out of the loop
Nov 20 17:46:21 <rm_you> i have no idea what's going on with technology in the past like 3 months
Nov 20 17:47:00 <johnx> well since you're never on here I assume that means you're never online?
Nov 20 17:47:12 <rm_you> basically
Nov 20 17:47:12 <johnx> which I do find hard to believe ... but still :P
Nov 20 17:48:00 <johnx> you've heard of the pandora, right?
Nov 20 17:48:18 <rm_you> yes
Nov 20 17:48:47 <rm_you> that was like... summer :P
Nov 20 17:48:52 <rm_you> i still haven't unpacked from germany <_<
Nov 20 17:49:17 <johnx> >_<
Nov 20 17:49:37 <rm_you> i just kind of up-ended by suitcase in a corner and grabbed clothes as I needed them
Nov 20 17:49:38 <rm_you> it's all still sitting in a pile
Nov 20 17:50:51 <qwerty12> avahi is a big motherfucker...
Nov 20 18:16:17 <lcuk> rm_you, what am i shipping to you
Nov 20 18:16:26 <lcuk> and will i get arrested
Nov 20 18:16:27 <qwerty12> Ganja green
Nov 20 18:17:15 <rm_you> lcuk: fitPC, but nm, it's expensive and meh :P
Nov 20 18:17:17 <lcuk> ahhh ok
Nov 20 18:17:46 <rm_you> alternatively, Absenthe :P though I think jott is a better option for that
Nov 20 18:17:59 <rm_you> since he can just run over to the Depot ^_^
Nov 20 18:18:23 <rm_you> apparently it's legal here now?
Nov 20 18:18:24 <johnx> back in a sec
Nov 20 18:18:25 <rm_you> someone told me that... dunno if I believe them
Nov 20 18:19:14 <qwerty12> fiferboy :O
Nov 20 18:19:31 <fiferboy> Yes?
Nov 20 18:19:37 <qwerty12> Hehe, hi, never seen you here before :)
Nov 20 18:19:50 <fiferboy> No, I don't ICR much.
Nov 20 18:20:00 <fiferboy> Came in about the "Personal Launcher" problem.
Nov 20 18:20:06 <fiferboy> ICR = IRC ;-)
Nov 20 18:21:19 <fiferboy> 'Beware "Personal Launcher"' seems a bit harsh to me, but I'm a bit biased...
Nov 20 18:24:41 <rm_you> why beware it? what are people claiming is wrong with it?
Nov 20 18:25:14 <johnx> awesome. qemu-arm just sefaulted in the middle of my ubuntu install
Nov 20 18:25:15 <fiferboy> Memory leak.  Apparently 8MB/min, but I can't see how that is possible.
Nov 20 18:26:05 <fiferboy> I've never heard any other reports, so I am wondering who had this issue.
Nov 20 18:26:41 <Guest9198_887> hello
Nov 20 18:26:47 <qwerty12> Eero Tamminen - from maemo-developers. Nokia employee, I'm guessing he tested with his own memory leaking tooks (sp-*)
Nov 20 18:27:59 <Guest9198_887> I want to reset my n800
Nov 20 18:28:13 <Guest9198_887> but it needs me to input a code
Nov 20 18:28:26 <qwerty12> Have you changed this code?
Nov 20 18:28:27 <Guest9198_887> no
Nov 20 18:28:49 <fiferboy> I ran mem-monitor from sp-memusage in scratchbox, and there is no variation.
Nov 20 18:29:07 <Guest9198_887> i dont know the code
Nov 20 18:29:09 <qwerty12> It's something like 12345
Nov 20 18:29:28 <fiferboy> It only reports total, free, and used memory and it show no variation.
Nov 20 18:29:39 <Guest9198_887> to return it to factry settings
Nov 20 18:30:39 <Guest9198_887> so i just try 12345 but no luck
Nov 20 18:31:10 <qwerty12> sigh. Get root access first:
Nov 20 18:31:10 <qwerty12> ~rootsh
Nov 20 18:31:10 <infobot> it has been said that rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Nov 20 18:31:18 <Guest9198_887> i have a app on it that i can not remove
Nov 20 18:32:02 <Guest9198_887> so if i reset the device it will remove that app
Nov 20 18:32:10 <mimshita> hi! i'm trying to compile an application, one of the libraries isn't found by the aplication, libgtkhtml-2.0, i've already installed it, but no result...still the same error
Nov 20 18:32:32 <rm_you> mimshita: you need the -dev package
Nov 20 18:32:42 <rm_you> probably libgtkhtml-2.0-dev
Nov 20 18:32:57 <rm_you> that's what the compiler is looking for
Nov 20 18:33:10 <qwerty12> mimshita, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pkg-config
Nov 20 18:33:18 <mimshita> humm, ok, i'll try that, thanks
Nov 20 18:33:19 * rm_you waves at Khertan_n810 
Nov 20 18:33:29 <rm_you> and now i'm really off
Nov 20 18:33:33 <johnx> 'later rm_you
Nov 20 18:35:16 <mimshita> rm_you: thanks, it is done
Nov 20 18:35:42 <Khertan_n810> Hello !
Nov 20 18:36:17 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint
Nov 20 18:36:20 <Stskeeps> comments so far?
Nov 20 18:36:22 <Khertan_n810> and hello rm_you :)
Nov 20 18:36:44 <Stskeeps> i think we'll add some qemu arms and so on for the build system
Nov 20 18:36:45 * Khertan_n810 have try fennec
Nov 20 18:37:10 <Khertan_n810> and what can i say...
Nov 20 18:37:37 <Khertan_n810> a french expression maybe : this smell like a fennec
Nov 20 18:38:14 <Khertan_n810> this app is really not ready to be use ... (yes i know alpha version)
Nov 20 18:39:16 <johnx> Stskeeps, looks great
Nov 20 18:39:47 <Stskeeps> and then we'll work out what is to be considered the core system
Nov 20 18:40:03 * Khertan_n810 pray to see the mcalendar sync not crashing
Nov 20 18:40:25 <Khertan_n810> fail ...
Nov 20 18:40:32 <Khertan_n810>  /media/mmc1/Projects/mcalendar/mcalendar_ui.py:927: GtkWarning: gdk_window_resize: assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed
Nov 20 18:40:39 <fiferboy> Are there any debian packaging gurus who know how to rename a debian so it will recognize the new package name as a replacement for the old package name?
Nov 20 18:40:51 <fiferboy> The best I can find is: http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package
Nov 20 18:40:51 <Khertan_n810> Xlib: sequence lost (0x1108b > 0x108c) in reply type 0x0!
Nov 20 18:40:56 <Khertan_n810> ouuch
Nov 20 18:41:00 <fiferboy> But it only works on a dist-upgrade, which people don't do on the tablet.
Nov 20 18:41:20 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, ive had those type of errors - extremely randomly though, not reproducable ever
Nov 20 18:41:21 <lcuk> whats causing yours
Nov 20 18:41:37 <lcuk> hiya btw
Nov 20 18:41:56 <Khertan_n810> lcuk ... at a first look i ll say a gtk lib call in a thread
Nov 20 18:42:03 <lcuk> its reproducable in your case?
Nov 20 18:42:17 <Khertan_n810> not everytime
Nov 20 18:42:29 <johnx> fiferboy, so you want your package to be replaced with a normal upgrade?
Nov 20 18:42:34 <Khertan_n810> in fact it s mainly depends of the charge of the cpu
Nov 20 18:42:48 <fiferboy> If that is possible.
Nov 20 18:43:10 <johnx> I think that's not possible. it tends to go against "the user is in control"
Nov 20 18:43:20 <Khertan_n810> gtk.gdk.threads_enter() should do the trick
Nov 20 18:44:04 <fiferboy> That explains why I couldn't find it.  The problem, then, is making users aware that the old package name is no longer being updated and there is now a new package name.
Nov 20 18:44:32 <Khertan_n810> lcuk : i confirm a call to gtk while in thread
Nov 20 18:45:00 <johnx> make an update to the old one that causes it to pop up a message: "I am out of date! uninstall me and install this package instead."
Nov 20 18:45:19 <lcuk> ahhh i wish mine was so clearcut, but since ive only encountered it a few very random times i cant do anything
Nov 20 18:45:41 <Khertan_n810> or maybe do a postinst script calling apt-get ?
Nov 20 18:46:03 <Khertan_n810> lcuk : in fact the message is clear ... async ...
Nov 20 18:46:16 <lcuk> in your case, yes
Nov 20 18:46:34 <qwerty12_N800> Khertan_n810, /var/lib/dpkg is locked when one apt is running already
Nov 20 18:46:34 <lcuk> i dont use gtk nor work really async
Nov 20 18:47:10 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12_N800: right
Nov 20 18:48:06 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12_N800: a postinst script which launch a process waiting and running it once dpkg is no more locked ?
Nov 20 18:48:07 <fiferboy> johnx: Not a bad idea!  I guess another option would be to just change the XB-Maemo-Display-Name so it shows up with a different name but keeps the same package name.
Nov 20 18:48:29 <Khertan_n810> lcuk : yep but maybe an other lib which isn t thread safe
Nov 20 18:48:29 <qwerty12_N800> fiferboy, maybe making the old package a metapackage that depends on your new package?
Nov 20 18:48:40 <Stskeeps> johnx: you think having a package system that builds system images with debootstrap & apt-get and chroot and mkfs.jffs2 would be satisfying enough for system builders?
Nov 20 18:48:47 <Stskeeps> so they can value-add packages on top of the system
Nov 20 18:48:47 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12 : better :)
Nov 20 18:49:00 <lcuk> yeah Khertan_n810, ive pondered if its something else intefering with xlib, but thats outside my scope really
Nov 20 18:49:05 <Stskeeps> (wifi driver, GPS, hal/ohm addons, software differentiators)
Nov 20 18:49:08 <mimshita> thanks for the help, see you all tomorrow:)
Nov 20 18:49:34 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: which lib do u use ?
Nov 20 18:49:36 <lcuk> x11+xv
Nov 20 18:49:46 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: maybe a gdb could help ?
Nov 20 18:50:13 <fiferboy> qwerty12_N800: I have thought of that.  I was hoping to have the first package uninstall afterward, but if the worst case senario has an extra metapackage sitting there, that's not too bad.
Nov 20 18:50:40 <johnx> Stskeeps, sounds totally reasonable. a .tar.gz/bz2 target should also be an option for us and other enthusiasts
Nov 20 18:50:46 <lcuk> not really, its SOOOOOOO infrequent i could sit there for days (ive not seen it for weeks now)
Nov 20 18:51:14 <johnx> fiferboy, if that's the worst problem then I would definitely just do that
Nov 20 18:51:40 <fiferboy> I'll try the meta package route again, though I seem to recall running into a problem with it.
Nov 20 18:51:58 <fiferboy> Can't remember what the problem was, though.
Nov 20 18:53:06 <RST38h> moo again
Nov 20 18:53:22 <Stskeeps> johnx: one of our target images / Po's should be a n8x0 image with initfs and rootfs, with vendor differentiators (wifi firmware, etc) as an example i guess. (scripts for building this, not distributing, x86 images and beagleboard i guess
Nov 20 18:53:28 <X-Fade> fiferboy: Hi, it was me who sent you the email to warn you..
Nov 20 18:53:28 <qwerty12_N800> moo RST38h
Nov 20 18:54:23 <Khertan_n810>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/httplib.py", line 860, in endheaders
Nov 20 18:54:25 <Khertan_n810> oups sorry
Nov 20 18:54:45 <Khertan_n810> i get now strange gcalendar
Nov 20 18:54:51 <Khertan_n810> gdata.calendar error
Nov 20 18:54:51 <Khertan_n810> grrr
Nov 20 18:55:18 <Khertan_n810> sslerror: (8, 'EOF occurred in violation of protocol')
Nov 20 18:55:38 <Khertan_n810> this work well 6 weeks ago ... and now ... grrr
Nov 20 18:56:12 <lcuk> omg khertan, is this linked to a comment i spotted about someone being an hour out
Nov 20 18:56:28 <lcuk> now that daylight savings has changed
Nov 20 18:57:30 <fiferboy> X-Fade: Hi.  I really haven't heard of a problem like this from anyone else who has used Personal Launcher
Nov 20 18:58:09 <fiferboy> With an 8MB/min drain, it would be extremely obvious as the device would be on it's knees after a few minutes.
Nov 20 18:58:30 <Stskeeps> fiferboy: he did mention it stops when it's filled up though
Nov 20 18:58:32 <X-Fade> fiferboy: It is just that the person who wrote about this is about the most knowledgeable guy there is ;)
Nov 20 18:58:51 <Stskeeps> he's practically mr nXXX isn't he? :P
Nov 20 18:59:01 <Stskeeps> from sw point of view
Nov 20 18:59:06 <X-Fade> fiferboy: That is what made it sound prudent to me.
Nov 20 18:59:37 <Khertan_n810> lcuk : ?
Nov 20 18:59:43 <fiferboy> I don't doubt his report, but the fact that 11000 other people have downloaded the software and not had any similar problem sunfuses me.
Nov 20 18:59:52 <fiferboy> sunfuses = confuses
Nov 20 18:59:56 <X-Fade> fiferboy: But it can be something that triggered it.
Nov 20 19:00:09 <Stskeeps> are we speaking about the sidebar applet of personal launcher or the desktop one?
Nov 20 19:00:13 <lcuk> i spotted a message very recently from someone who said they enter dates into mcalendar one hour from the actual time, and this is related to the daylight savings changes
Nov 20 19:00:29 <X-Fade> fiferboy: As he also said: "For some strange reason its memory usage evened out after it's eaten about all there is.  It's possible that there was some triggering condition for this, I don't know."
Nov 20 19:00:43 <fiferboy> I would need to know what conditions he was running it with, and whether it can be reproduced.
Nov 20 19:00:43 <lcuk> i didnt think twice about it (i think it was one of your threads) but you just saying "something worked a few weeks ago" clicked
Nov 20 19:00:57 <X-Fade> And if it would leak badly there would be an OOM situation pretty soon.
Nov 20 19:01:01 <fiferboy> Stskeeps: the desktop one.  Sidebar is Personal Menu
Nov 20 19:01:04 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 20 19:01:26 <Khertan_n810> lcuk: yep in the version in repository their is many problem with daylight and current version in repository
Nov 20 19:01:27 <fiferboy> X-Fade: agreed
Nov 20 19:01:40 <Khertan_n810> but the 0.5 should fix this
Nov 20 19:01:40 <l7> is it possible to store all your data in ext2 format when booting from SD?
Nov 20 19:01:41 <Khertan_n810> (and many other things)
Nov 20 19:01:42 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, :) np whatsoever
Nov 20 19:01:52 <fiferboy> Do we know how he determined it was Personal Launcher?
Nov 20 19:01:52 <lcuk> excellent that you are busy
Nov 20 19:02:11 <Khertan_n810> but i think their will be new problems as it s a complete rewrite of mCalendar
Nov 20 19:02:28 <lcuk> oooh sounds familiar
Nov 20 19:02:31 <Khertan_n810> :)
Nov 20 19:02:32 * lcuk has bits of liqbase scattered around the garage
Nov 20 19:04:26 <X-Fade> fiferboy: fwiw, I have installed the application now too. And it seems ok for now ;)
Nov 20 19:05:21 <fiferboy> I have run it through valgrind and mem-monitor without issue, so it must be some condition.
Nov 20 19:06:04 <X-Fade> fiferboy: What does it monitor to redraw?
Nov 20 19:06:09 <fiferboy> Expose event or configuration file update.
Nov 20 19:06:23 <fiferboy> Which is why I can't understand why it would trigger even with the screen blanked
Nov 20 19:06:45 <fiferboy> Unless something is sending it expose events when it shouldn't be.
Nov 20 19:07:01 <X-Fade> Overlapping applets perhaps?
Nov 20 19:09:27 <fiferboy> I haven't done any formal memory testing with overlapping applets, but I have definitely has them on my tablet without issue.
Nov 20 19:09:32 <fiferboy> Unless it is a specific applet combination.  Can I find that out?
Nov 20 19:10:10 <X-Fade> fiferboy: Well, eero is always on -developers.
Nov 20 19:10:39 <X-Fade> fiferboy: I will comment to the thread that I don't see that behavior on my tablet.
Nov 20 19:10:44 <fiferboy> Thanks.
Nov 20 19:11:14 <X-Fade> I see one redraw after I move an applet away.
Nov 20 19:11:18 <X-Fade> But not constant redraws.
Nov 20 19:11:29 <fiferboy> That's good.
Nov 20 19:15:22 <Stskeeps> johnx: did we ever discover what is actually special about nokia's glib?
Nov 20 19:16:09 <johnx> hmm
Nov 20 19:16:23 <johnx> uhm, nothing?
Nov 20 19:16:56 <johnx> ah, there are changed in the debian/changelog
Nov 20 19:17:09 <johnx> nothing sweeping I think
Nov 20 19:17:37 <johnx> "* Add realtime scheduling for GThreadPools and atomic operations for ARM." looks the most interesting at first glance :)
Nov 20 19:17:50 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 20 19:38:24 <glaubertsouza> hi all.!
Nov 20 19:40:22 <korgoth> hello guys
Nov 20 19:40:43 <korgoth> anyone using wikipedia dump reader?
Nov 20 19:41:58 <johnx> the browser based one?
Nov 20 19:43:36 <korgoth> dont think its browser based.. i havnt seen that browser based ure talking about?
Nov 20 19:43:40 <korgoth> where to find it'
Nov 20 19:43:40 <korgoth> ?
Nov 20 19:44:32 <johnx> one sec
Nov 20 19:46:04 <korgoth> the one i have is working fine excedpt it does not support cyrillic searches :(
Nov 20 19:46:22 <johnx> let's see, there's the mokopedia one, the sdict based one, and then I guess you could just take a dump of wikipedia and look at it in a browser
Nov 20 19:47:24 <korgoth> the thing is the one i have is reading from the tar.gz
Nov 20 19:47:31 <korgoth> saves a lot of space..
Nov 20 19:48:45 <korgoth> anyway.. the other thing that bugs me is the applications stealing focus from one another
Nov 20 19:49:09 <korgoth> is there some upgrade ot fix for that
Nov 20 19:49:09 <korgoth> ?
Nov 20 19:53:06 <X-Fade> fiferboy: My n810 is still alive ;)
Nov 20 19:53:06 <johnx> they say they'll fix it on a case by case basis
Nov 20 19:53:34 <fiferboy> X-Fade: :-D
Nov 20 19:53:43 <fiferboy> That's probably a good sign
Nov 20 19:53:51 <X-Fade> fiferboy: With 8MB/s it should be dead by now ;)
Nov 20 19:53:55 <johnx> korgoth, might be interested in reading this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2430
Nov 20 19:54:27 <sp3000> X-Fade: well eero said it's happy as soon as it has all of it
Nov 20 19:54:47 <sp3000> you could grab the sp-endurance bits and run that in a loop with sleep for pretty graphs
Nov 20 19:54:48 <fiferboy> X-Fade: Do you still have a reasonable amount of memory free?
Nov 20 19:54:48 <X-Fade> sp3000: But I still have 3 blocks free on my cpu/mem monitor applet ;)
Nov 20 19:54:54 <sp3000> (tools repo)
Nov 20 19:55:12 <sp3000> well that's no fun
Nov 20 19:59:56 <X-Fade> sp3000: If I actually had more time to spare, I would do that. But I have already worked more than 12 hours for maemo.org today and I think it is enough :)
Nov 20 20:00:23 <sp3000> what, but there's another 12h left!
Nov 20 20:01:40 <X-Fade> I'm pretty dedicated, but that is pushing it ;)
Nov 20 20:02:25 <lcuk> sp3000, yes as X-Fade says, its pushing it.  hes entitled to a 15minute break before his next shift
Nov 20 20:02:43 * sp3000 starts the timer
Nov 20 20:02:54 <lcuk> heh
Nov 20 20:02:54 <X-Fade> lcuk: The graveyard shift? Nooooo..
Nov 20 20:03:16 <lcuk> X-Fade, i hope you keep your crackberry clone (nokia branded of course) on you during your "down time" and answer any calls which come in
Nov 20 20:04:04 * lcuk is hunting for a wii-fit
Nov 20 20:04:39 <lcuk> i doubt ill find one though
Nov 20 20:05:22 * qwerty12_N800 refrains from making north comment :P
Nov 20 20:06:31 <puffandstuff> any spec about mamemo raphics please ? (3D features, X, egl or something else clutter) i want to read anything
Nov 20 20:06:57 <lcuk> whats a mamemo raphics?
Nov 20 20:07:39 <puffandstuff> lcuk, graphics sorry
Nov 20 20:07:52 <lcuk> heh i kinda gathered ;)
Nov 20 20:07:53 <lcuk> its got x
Nov 20 20:08:13 <lcuk> theres a software opengl driver out there somewhere (though not compilable from source)
Nov 20 20:08:32 <lcuk> theres a dedicated 3d core on the device but no1 bothered to include a switch
Nov 20 20:08:41 <lcuk> so its set to "off"
Nov 20 20:08:55 <lcuk> theres plenty of clutter on my desktop but its not 3d
Nov 20 20:09:46 <puffandstuff> lcuk, Ok thanks for the information. Is there any design documents or any sepcifications for that ?
Nov 20 20:10:22 <lcuk> not sure which aspect you mean, clutter is documented somewhere but useless, as is ogl and im quite certain x is as well
Nov 20 20:10:59 <puffandstuff> lcuk, thanks
Nov 20 20:15:49 <X-Fade> VDVsx: Hi.
Nov 20 20:16:12 <X-Fade> VDVsx: Can I ask you to translate these few categories in pt_PT? https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories#Translations
Nov 20 20:21:14 <VDVsx> X-Fade, no prob, I will do it
Nov 20 20:23:13 <X-Fade> VDVsx: Thanks!
Nov 20 20:23:15 <X-Fade> So now we only need somebody with no_NO :)
Nov 20 20:41:38 <benh> ok
Nov 20 20:56:35 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: i have a no_NO translation laying in my log, with gplv2 verified
Nov 20 20:57:26 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: no_NO: Skrivebord, Programming, Undervisning, Spill, Grafikk, Multimedia, Navigasjon, Internet og Nettverk, Kontor, Vitenskap, System, Verktoy
Nov 20 20:58:06 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, attribution?
Nov 20 21:01:32 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, Navigation is Location & Navigation
Nov 20 21:04:02 <GeneralAntilles> Once we get pt_PT we're mostly done.
Nov 20 21:04:09 <GeneralAntilles> A few translations don't have attribution, a few more I still need to confirm the licensing on.
Nov 20 21:04:35 <GeneralAntilles> Some of the translations are Education and some are Educational. :\
Nov 20 21:05:40 <VDVsx> is something wrong with the wiki ? I can't stay log'ed
Nov 20 21:07:32 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3788
Nov 20 21:07:34 <GeneralAntilles> Make sure you're using https
Nov 20 21:08:57 <VDVsx> humm, I'm using https
Nov 20 21:13:17 <GeneralAntilles> andre___, ping?
Nov 20 21:13:20 <andre___> GeneralAntilles, peng!
Nov 20 21:13:28 <GeneralAntilles> andre___ -> #canola
Nov 20 21:15:46 <VDVsx> pt_PT done
Nov 20 21:16:15 <l7> is Bos Wars any fun?
Nov 20 21:16:28 <Stskeeps> johnx: still awake?
Nov 20 21:16:32 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, OK, is GPLv2 acceptable? :)
Nov 20 21:16:48 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, sure, lol
Nov 20 21:16:48 <johnx> Stskeeps, yeah
Nov 20 21:16:53 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, thanks! :D
Nov 20 21:16:55 <Stskeeps> johnx: finally got the builder up again :P
Nov 20 21:16:58 <Stskeeps> now it doesn't do the peer stuff
Nov 20 21:17:19 <johnx> ah, what was the problem?
Nov 20 21:17:37 <Stskeeps> either double-NAT or linux NAT acting up
Nov 20 21:17:42 <Stskeeps> it's now bridging so
Nov 20 21:17:55 <Stskeeps> (which was why i threw my works development server offline by accident..)
Nov 20 21:18:28 <johnx> eep
Nov 20 21:18:34 <johnx> well at least nothing else can go wrong today, right?
Nov 20 21:18:43 <Stskeeps> i hope not
Nov 20 21:18:43 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 20 21:19:35 <Stskeeps> but, http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/ is kinda cool
Nov 20 21:19:37 <johnx> anyways, I'm just trying to get ubuntu installed on qemu so I can go back to actually using my arm devices
Nov 20 21:19:38 <Stskeeps> you can see why it fails etc
Nov 20 21:20:43 <Stskeeps> and we can easily attach qemu builders on to it
Nov 20 21:20:52 <Stskeeps> just needs a place to ssh to
Nov 20 21:20:52 <johnx> so is this using one of the debian autobuilder daemons?
Nov 20 21:20:55 <Stskeeps> nop
Nov 20 21:20:58 <Stskeeps> self written monster
Nov 20 21:21:17 <johnx> so it doesn't build in a clean chroot?
Nov 20 21:21:30 <Stskeeps> for now, no
Nov 20 21:21:32 <Stskeeps> but hmm, "nd_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 253408
Nov 20 21:21:34 <Stskeeps> that's nasty
Nov 20 21:22:19 <johnx> yeah, very icky
Nov 20 21:22:47 <johnx> chewed up a nice new SD card?
Nov 20 21:22:56 <johnx> it's not an adata 4GB is it?
Nov 20 21:23:17 <Stskeeps> kingston 4gb i think
Nov 20 21:24:02 * Stskeeps should probably use nfs boot next time
Nov 20 21:24:24 * Stskeeps ponders idly if there's a wasy to cut usb power from command line
Nov 20 21:24:44 <johnx> I've used enough hardware at this point that I'm running out of brands I haven't had a screw up badly on me
Nov 20 21:24:59 <sp3000> X-Fade: not reproducible for me either -- it does have an animate option for when you tap stuff but I can't get the animation to stick or anything
Nov 20 21:25:21 <johnx> if you rmmod the usb root hub driver I think it will cut power to connected devices
Nov 20 21:25:43 <Stskeeps> johnx: on the other hand it just surved a machine reboot
Nov 20 21:26:27 <Stskeeps> right,rootstraps on nfs next time
Nov 20 21:26:30 * Stskeeps makes mental note
Nov 20 21:35:05 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, no armv7?
Nov 20 21:35:18 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: there's no mojo armv7 afaik
Nov 20 21:35:32 <GeneralAntilles> Really?
Nov 20 21:35:32 <GeneralAntilles> Huh
Nov 20 21:35:36 <GeneralAntilles> I could've sworn there was
Nov 20 21:35:48 <Stskeeps> no such thing in ubuntu either
Nov 20 21:36:04 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm
Nov 20 21:36:08 <GeneralAntilles> I guess I remember that.
Nov 20 21:36:22 <Stskeeps> they will make customized libs/etc for armv6/vfp/armv7 though
Nov 20 21:36:43 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, I do remember that
Nov 20 21:36:44 <GeneralAntilles> That's the advantage Ångstrom has.
Nov 20 21:37:10 <Stskeeps> angstrom's kinda like a gentoo i guess
Nov 20 21:38:21 <johnx> except worth it
Nov 20 21:38:22 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 20 21:38:26 <johnx> :)
Nov 20 21:38:50 <johnx> if everything wasn't completely broken to cross compile I would have switched to angstrom/OE long ago
Nov 20 21:39:06 <johnx> but everything is completely broken to cross compile, so I might as well use debuntu
Nov 20 21:39:44 <Stskeeps> johnx: we should also ponder about straying from Maemo's "we must crosscompile 100%" to native compilation + distcc
Nov 20 21:40:36 <johnx> it would be nice to not regress if we can avoid it, but I see no problem with native
Nov 20 21:41:27 <GeneralAntilles> Native is even better considering OMAP3
Nov 20 21:41:27 <johnx> there are fast, cheap arm build machines, and it saves huge amount of maintainer time (and sanity)
Nov 20 21:41:53 <johnx> I think the fastest ARM might still be a dual core marvell board
Nov 20 21:42:06 <GeneralAntilles> Did you catch the 1GHz ARM they were using for Debian?
Nov 20 21:42:35 <GeneralAntilles> Blog post somewhere which, of course, I can't find now.
Nov 20 21:42:42 <Stskeeps> johnx: i guess sb2 might be more sane
Nov 20 21:44:13 <johnx> Stskeeps, maybe, one day
Nov 20 21:44:24 <sp3000> GeneralAntilles: http://suihkulokki.blogspot.com/2008/09/marvell-mv78x00-board.html
Nov 20 21:44:34 <GeneralAntilles> That's the one
Nov 20 21:44:42 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks, sp3000. :)
Nov 20 21:44:42 <johnx> that's what I was referring to :)
Nov 20 21:44:43 <sp3000> /nick googlebot
Nov 20 21:45:25 * moontiger is teaching some google people right now :)
Nov 20 21:45:51 <rkabir> out of curiousity - does anyone know how many people on this channel are employed by Nokia?
Nov 20 21:46:59 <Stskeeps> rkabir: it's not always easy, cos some are hired by maemo.org, and not maemo sw for instance :P
Nov 20 21:47:44 <rkabir> Stskeeps: what do you mean?
Nov 20 21:48:21 <GeneralAntilles> rkabir, well, there are Nokia employees, there are Nokia contractors, and there are maemo.org people
Nov 20 21:48:23 <Stskeeps> rkabir: as in there's people hired for running maemo.org, some are hired for developing the maemo system inside nokia, some are in companies that nokia contracts with..
Nov 20 21:48:31 <Stskeeps> .. what GA said
Nov 20 21:48:32 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 20 21:48:47 <GeneralAntilles> All of them technically employed by Nokia, but to different degrees and for different purposes.
Nov 20 21:48:56 <GeneralAntilles> rkabir, more than the average for these sorts of projects, I'd imagine.
Nov 20 21:49:00 <rkabir> ok, that makes sense
Nov 20 21:49:22 <GeneralAntilles> I'll not point any of them out unless they wish to step forward themselves, though. ;)
Nov 20 21:49:22 <rkabir> my question stems from wanting to understand why I *always* find traffic on #maemo, and never on any of the OLPC-related channels
Nov 20 21:49:43 <GeneralAntilles> Because Maemo's super awesome? :P
Nov 20 21:50:24 <rkabir> GeneralAntilles: no, of course not :) I just wanted to get an idea - thanks. And no argument there!
Nov 20 21:50:40 <Stskeeps> rkabir: tablets are like brain slugs. on your body at all times..
Nov 20 21:50:41 <Stskeeps> or something
Nov 20 21:50:41 <rkabir> Stskeeps: thanks - makes much more sense
Nov 20 21:51:34 <moontiger> you mean headcrabs?
Nov 20 21:51:35 <rkabir> Stskeeps: that's more what I was thinking. I've been trying to decide between the two projects to get my hands dirty - and my N810 seems much more compelling to hack on, though the OLPC seems like such a good cause
Nov 20 21:52:43 <Stskeeps> rkabir: N810 is a very versatile device and any stuff done in tablet area may also change the world eventually
Nov 20 21:53:09 <Stskeeps> as many of the challenges are similar, power consumption, ease of use, etc..
Nov 20 21:54:07 <ShadowJK_> christmas is nearing and no N900 in sight? :-(
Nov 20 21:54:12 <rkabir> Stskeeps: absolutely. Personally, I'm hoping to learn enough to fix the bluetooth latency I'm seeing with my keyboard. I do like the fact that I can work on something *i* will use. I'm a selfish bastard after all :)
Nov 20 21:54:37 <johnx> ShadowJK_, sometime after june 2009
Nov 20 21:54:44 <ShadowJK_> bah
Nov 20 21:55:13 <ShadowJK_> Looks like I'll have to spend money on presents for other people, then :)
Nov 20 21:55:33 <johnx> that date was set in september you know...
Nov 20 21:56:01 <ShadowJK_> Oh I guess I saw something before that speculating a christmas surprise
Nov 20 21:57:12 * Stskeeps wonders if there are any desktop jaiku clients
Nov 20 21:58:05 <rkabir> Stskeeps: what desktop OS?
Nov 20 21:58:21 <Stskeeps> well in this case xp, i have mauku on my n800 :P
Nov 20 21:58:50 <rkabir> i've used http://jay-q.com/
Nov 20 21:58:53 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK_: have you seen my builder of doom?
Nov 20 21:59:03 <ShadowJK_> nop
Nov 20 21:59:20 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK_: http://merbuilder.jaiku.com
Nov 20 22:01:11 <ShadowJK_> nice
Nov 20 22:02:43 <lcuk> moontiger, that thread is epic
Nov 20 22:08:12 <moontiger> hahaha
Nov 20 22:09:06 <lcuk> post in it then, dont just talk about it, leave you mark
Nov 20 22:09:23 <lcuk> but include the word fuck somewhere or ppl will shout at you ;)
Nov 20 22:12:24 <VDVsx> the admin/responsible for the maemo.org site is here ?
Nov 20 22:14:08 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, here, not sure if he's still available, though.
Nov 20 22:14:08 <GeneralAntilles> What's the question?
Nov 20 22:14:40 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, the fosdem dates should be changed
Nov 20 22:15:44 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, you mean the one here? http://maemo.org/news/events/
Nov 20 22:15:45 <GeneralAntilles> I think I can edit that. . . .
Nov 20 22:16:02 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, yup, it also appear in the front page
Nov 20 22:16:10 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, what's the correct date?
Nov 20 22:16:31 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, 7 and 8 Feb
Nov 20 22:16:50 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, http://fosdem.org/2009/
Nov 20 22:17:03 <GeneralAntilles> OK, correct now? http://maemo.org/news/events/fosdem_2009/
Nov 20 22:17:23 <lcuk> moontiger, ive never seen you swear (mind you, ive not seen many people swear around here)
Nov 20 22:18:01 <GeneralAntilles> Go die in a fire you goddamn wanker bastard, you, lcuk. :P
Nov 20 22:18:09 <qwerty12_N800> haha
Nov 20 22:18:09 <lcuk> and you said that with your post-virginity cheesy grin on your face
Nov 20 22:18:39 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, the timings a bit off. :P
Nov 20 22:18:47 <lcuk> on that score gen, the reaction from people has been more positive
Nov 20 22:18:48 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, yup, but still wrong in the maemo.org front page
Nov 20 22:18:57 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, yeah, it should change at some point.
Nov 20 22:19:01 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure how often it updates.
Nov 20 22:19:14 <GeneralAntilles> But thanks for pointing out the problem! :)
Nov 20 22:19:21 <VDVsx> GeneralAntilles, ok :), many thanks
Nov 20 22:20:44 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, ok my timings a little off, you mean the grin will get even bigger when you finally lose it?
Nov 20 22:21:05 * GeneralAntilles adds evil things to lcuk's wanker death. :P
Nov 20 22:21:46 <Stskeeps> am i the only one who could wish for a little resistance in material on the stand for the n800?
Nov 20 22:22:09 <lcuk> what do you mean resistance?   strength or friction
Nov 20 22:22:18 <Stskeeps> so you can use stylus on it when standing on slippery surface
Nov 20 22:22:40 <disco_stu> Stskeeps: you can mod it
Nov 20 22:22:40 <lcuk> the 810 is worse
Nov 20 22:23:06 <disco_stu> you could glue some rubber squares
Nov 20 22:23:09 <lcuk> but mine doesnt move anywhere, space age elastic bands
Nov 20 22:23:12 <Stskeeps> disco_stu: considering to glue on some rubber, yeah. :P
Nov 20 22:23:36 <disco_stu> Stskeeps: i was serious
Nov 20 22:23:36 <disco_stu> :P
Nov 20 22:24:06 <lcuk> i put a rubber patch from puncture kit on the back of my 810
Nov 20 22:24:15 <lcuk> before i built my woody
Nov 20 22:24:15 <Stskeeps> so was i, disco_stu, i was typing at same time as you said it :P
Nov 20 22:24:53 <moontiger> corrected now :)
Nov 20 22:24:55 <disco_stu> Stskeeps: i thought it was sarcasm
Nov 20 22:25:04 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, mine just ends up backing up against my left monitor or left speaker.
Nov 20 22:25:10 <GeneralAntilles> You could buy a little rubber pad for it.
Nov 20 22:26:06 <lcuk> moontiger, i saw, what do you teach btw
Nov 20 22:26:18 <Stskeeps> dbus for beginners? :P
Nov 20 22:27:32 <moontiger> today im teaching sql stuff to google people
Nov 20 22:27:32 <lcuk> i was thinking English for Junior kids.  eventually one day they will look up their teachers jaiku page and discover their perfect teacher is a swearing lout :P
Nov 20 22:27:47 <moontiger> i also do php / apache / ajax / javascript
Nov 20 22:27:55 <lcuk> ahhh google employees, same mental age as juniors ;)
Nov 20 22:28:13 <moontiger> hahaha so if u see the results from google get better soon then thank me ;)
Nov 20 22:28:43 <moontiger> Stskeeps, i wish
Nov 20 22:28:46 <moontiger> :)
Nov 20 22:28:56 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i had an alcoholic as english teacher in high school.. one day he didn't show up for class, we sat outside and waited for 15-20 mins at a locked class room door.. we leave, 30 mins later we see him stumble out still partly drunk and hungover after obviously sleeping in the classroom
Nov 20 22:29:14 <lcuk> oh shite
Nov 20 22:29:15 <Stskeeps> that was entertaining
Nov 20 22:29:48 <disco_stu> Stskeeps: what a good teacher
Nov 20 22:30:07 <disco_stu> in argentina he would all kids idol
Nov 20 22:30:08 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 20 22:30:13 <disco_stu> s/would/would be/
Nov 20 22:30:13 <infobot> disco_stu meant: in argentina he would be all kids idol
Nov 20 22:57:33 <Stskeeps> 5 hours of making slides gives you a headache like no other. :P
Nov 20 22:59:03 * johnx believes it
Nov 20 22:59:03 <johnx> what kind of slides?
Nov 20 22:59:28 <Stskeeps> presentation on "Privacy issues in Location-Aware Mobile Devices"
Nov 20 23:00:18 <GeneralAntilles> "Local access trumps all"
Nov 20 23:00:32 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, right
Nov 20 23:00:32 <GeneralAntilles> Privacy
Nov 20 23:00:40 * GeneralAntilles becomes literate.
Nov 20 23:01:21 <johnx> wow. that was fast
Nov 20 23:01:41 * GeneralAntilles iz smaert
Nov 20 23:03:05 <lcuk> Computer of the future: "Welcome home stskeeps, I've warmed up the lube and inflated Mandy for you."
Nov 20 23:03:14 <lcuk> sts: "but i'm still at work"
Nov 20 23:03:57 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, as it blares over the speakers of your N9000 while you're sitting at the office? ;)
Nov 20 23:03:57 <lcuk> someone was saying they want their device to actually react in locations
Nov 20 23:04:25 <GeneralAntilles> Bluetooth proximity can be fun for that.
Nov 20 23:04:35 <Stskeeps> lcuk: mandy the sheep?
Nov 20 23:04:41 <GeneralAntilles> Set away status based on the proximity of your cellphone or tablet to your computer.
Nov 20 23:04:41 <lcuk> ok bluetooth is good
Nov 20 23:04:50 <lcuk> but gps based is not so much
Nov 20 23:05:06 <GeneralAntilles> GPS chips will get better
Nov 20 23:05:06 <lcuk> yeah Stskeeps i fixed the puncture and put her back in your cupboard
Nov 20 23:05:36 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, will never be perfect :)
Nov 20 23:05:46 <GeneralAntilles> Well, perfect is relative
Nov 20 23:05:50 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be "good enough"
Nov 20 23:05:54 <lcuk> indoors?
Nov 20 23:05:54 <GeneralAntilles> Sure
Nov 20 23:05:54 <lcuk> near buildings?
Nov 20 23:06:13 <GeneralAntilles> New satellites will go up, new chipsets will come out.
Nov 20 23:06:28 <GeneralAntilles> Besides, there's cellphone towers
Nov 20 23:06:37 <GeneralAntilles> They're already adding them to malls and airports.
Nov 20 23:06:37 <GeneralAntilles> More will come.
Nov 20 23:06:38 <johnx> it's really impressive on my phone for example
Nov 20 23:06:40 <GeneralAntilles> The grid will own you soon enough. :P
Nov 20 23:06:52 <Stskeeps> UWB positioning for the masses.
Nov 20 23:06:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 20 23:06:56 <GeneralAntilles> But, again, it's all about "good enough"
Nov 20 23:07:03 <GeneralAntilles> Knowing you're "at the mall" is sufficient
Nov 20 23:07:08 <johnx> heh...easy enough to go off grid. I just climb a 1200 and bam, no geolocation :)
Nov 20 23:07:12 * Stskeeps ponders if anyone cited his paper yet
Nov 20 23:07:14 * lcuk curls up with just the glow of his n810 to keep him company
Nov 20 23:07:16 <GeneralAntilles> You don't necessarily need to know you're in the GAP
Nov 20 23:07:28 <johnx> s/1200/1200m mountain/
Nov 20 23:07:28 <infobot> johnx meant: heh...easy enough to go off grid. I just climb a 1200m mountain and bam, no geolocation :)
Nov 20 23:08:12 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, but it cannot know that all the time
Nov 20 23:08:17 <GeneralAntilles> For now
Nov 20 23:08:18 <GeneralAntilles> But give it time.
Nov 20 23:08:46 * lcuk stands around patiently waiting for technology to catch up with GeneralAntilles 
Nov 20 23:09:07 <GeneralAntilles> Just having the lights turn on and the AC switch from power saving when I walk in the door would be pretty sweet, though.
Nov 20 23:09:07 * lcuk looks at his watch
Nov 20 23:09:10 <guysoft422> hi again - do 16GB mini sdhc cards work on the nokia n810/
Nov 20 23:09:17 <guysoft422> ?
Nov 20 23:09:17 <lcuk> you were right with bluetooth
Nov 20 23:09:17 * GeneralAntilles puts lcuk into a coma for the next 10 years with a tire iron.
Nov 20 23:09:25 <lcuk> i think thats 100% more realistic
Nov 20 23:09:26 <GeneralAntilles> guysoft422, any SDHC card up to 2048GB will work fine.
Nov 20 23:10:08 <lcuk> can i have one of those when gps works always?
Nov 20 23:10:18 <lcuk> and will i also be able to play duke nukem forever?
Nov 20 23:10:26 <lcuk> whilst driving my flying car
Nov 20 23:10:26 <guysoft422> GeneralAntilles, thanks, ill keep that in mind when they have a 2TB card on sale :-)
Nov 20 23:10:43 <GeneralAntilles> SD capacities are doubling, what, once a year?
Nov 20 23:10:45 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, that's 6 years away
Nov 20 23:10:45 <lcuk> w000t only 5 more years (assuming 64 now)
Nov 20 23:10:53 <GeneralAntilles> Which assumes no bigger breakthroughs in the meantime.
Nov 20 23:10:54 <guysoft422> GeneralAntilles, yes, but the price here is double , so we are a year behind..
Nov 20 23:11:11 <guysoft422> lcuk, wont they hit that magical size limit?
Nov 20 23:11:14 <GeneralAntilles> guysoft422, then I guess you'll just have to buy a 1TB card. :P
Nov 20 23:11:42 <GeneralAntilles> That limit is 2048GB
Nov 20 23:11:42 <guysoft422> GeneralAntilles, lol :)
Nov 20 23:11:44 <lcuk> wouldnt it be 2000GB?
Nov 20 23:11:59 <lcuk> formatted to 128mb
Nov 20 23:13:10 <guysoft422> the annoying thing is i just got a 8GB sdhc card for my XO
Nov 20 23:13:10 <GeneralAntilles> Don't mix units.
Nov 20 23:13:12 <GeneralAntilles> 2000GiB
Nov 20 23:13:20 <lcuk> 2000gib, thats gotta be a messy movie
Nov 20 23:13:40 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GiB
Nov 20 23:13:40 <guysoft422> more like 2000 space captivity..
Nov 20 23:14:17 <lcuk> how many library of congresses is that?
Nov 20 23:14:20 <Stskeeps> woo, someone actually cited me and my former boss' paper on positioning :>
Nov 20 23:15:10 <GeneralAntilles> What is an LoC, 10TB?
Nov 20 23:16:44 <guysoft422> are there deb-src repos for maemo? i wanted to add a small fix to the GPE summery applet - it there are long lines it looks bad..
Nov 20 23:18:01 <Stskeeps> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/ has them all at least
Nov 20 23:18:13 <`0660> GeneralAntilles, Lines of Code?
Nov 20 23:18:20 <derf> That'd be one heck of a line.
Nov 20 23:21:05 <GeneralAntilles> `0660, Library of Congress
Nov 20 23:21:49 <guysoft422> `0660, why? its just "if line over x" then add newline
Nov 20 23:28:18 <`0660> i should have read the previous lines first :)
Nov 20 23:28:49 <GeneralAntilles> Who wants to bet that Windows ME consisted of a single 10TB line of code, though? :P
Nov 20 23:34:05 <lcuk> nahhhh, notepad on win9x was limited to very small files
Nov 20 23:34:14 <lcuk> it was purely luck that technological problems prevented it however ;)
Nov 21 00:52:03 <guysoft422> is there a way to convert the ilbc files from the recorder to anything else?
Nov 21 02:23:55 <fiferboy_n810> /nick fiferboy_n810
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