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Nov 27 00:46:03 <johnx> zakkm, right now? for normal users? not really usable yet
Nov 27 00:46:16 <zakkm> heard deblet gives really poor battery life
Nov 27 00:46:33 <zakkm> and battery life is really important to me, so i dont want to use that
Nov 27 00:46:44 <zakkm> i mean after install...
Nov 27 00:47:06 <zakkm> im sure its alot of dev stuff to get it installed.. but i mean like does things work and stuff
Nov 27 00:47:10 <johnx> it's a problem of lots of things running that keep the CPU awake
Nov 27 00:47:29 <johnx> and the answer is no, it's less usable than deblet right now
Nov 27 00:47:37 <zakkm> i want to use fvwm-crystal, and deblet seemed so nice
Nov 27 00:48:01 <johnx> heh...the problem is all the user software running that keeps the CPU awake
Nov 27 00:48:03 <zakkm> but GeneralAntilles said the battery life on idle is only like 12 hours
Nov 27 00:48:15 <zakkm> so fvwm-crystal will be fine you think?
Nov 27 00:48:16 <johnx> in fact fvwm might even be one of the contributing factors
Nov 27 00:48:18 <zakkm> not that hungry
Nov 27 00:48:31 <johnx> it's not a question of CPU usage
Nov 27 00:48:49 <johnx> think about it this way: 100% CPU usage in 1 second wastes less power than 1% constantly for 100 seconds
Nov 27 00:49:03 <johnx> that low grade constant usage is what shortens the standby time
Nov 27 00:49:16 <zakkm> o
Nov 27 00:49:30 <zakkm> what about a shorter timing?
Nov 27 00:49:32 <johnx> Nokia has spent a lot of time optimizing the software in maemo to not wake up the CPU when it's not needed
Nov 27 00:49:51 <zakkm> :(
Nov 27 00:49:55 <zakkm> so its totally hopeless?
Nov 27 00:50:12 <johnx> well, you could use software suspend in deblet
Nov 27 00:50:28 <johnx> instead of leaving the tablet on all the time you could use "suspend to ram"
Nov 27 00:50:32 <zakkm> i saw a old fvwm-crystal in show your screenshots ( vnc of course.. ) and it looked so cool, used it on desktop quite a bit
Nov 27 00:50:40 <zakkm> and i bought my n800, hoping one day i could use it
Nov 27 00:50:51 <zakkm> wouldnt that take alot of cpu to use?
Nov 27 00:51:00 <johnx> hmm?
Nov 27 00:51:09 <zakkm> the "suspend to ram" takes awhile doesnt it?
Nov 27 00:51:21 <johnx> "suspend to ram" ... not really. it would take maybe up to 5 seconds
Nov 27 00:51:32 <johnx> I think it's less though
Nov 27 00:52:19 <zakkm> is maemo reconstruct going to have proper battery life, sorry with the 20 questions.
Nov 27 00:52:42 <johnx> no way to tell until it's done
Nov 27 00:52:47 <johnx> but that is the goal
Nov 27 00:53:10 <zakkm> i really want to use fvwm-crystal :(
Nov 27 00:53:18 <johnx> have you tried it?
Nov 27 00:53:27 <zakkm> on desktop, roughly a year ago
Nov 27 00:53:31 <zakkm> never on nokia
Nov 27 00:53:36 <johnx> I mean, have you tried using desktop software on a tiny touchscreen with your fingers
Nov 27 00:53:44 <zakkm> no
Nov 27 00:53:45 <johnx> to be honest it's a pain
Nov 27 00:53:49 <zakkm> i stay away from abiword and stuff
Nov 27 00:53:54 <zakkm> thats why i want a wm, not a DE :P
Nov 27 00:53:59 <zakkm> i think gnome is ridicous on it ;p
Nov 27 00:54:08 <zakkm> but i thought a WM wouldnt be half bad
Nov 27 00:54:11 <johnx> not the processing power required, but actually interacting with it
Nov 27 00:54:44 <zakkm> i know, thats what im talking about
Nov 27 00:55:07 <zakkm> gnome and stuff requrie alot of screen space, WM's dont ;p
Nov 27 00:55:18 <johnx> right, and I'm saying that using a normal WM with a finger or stylus is a pain :)
Nov 27 00:55:25 <zakkm> i lost my stylus
Nov 27 00:55:34 <johnx> never had one myself
Nov 27 00:55:36 <zakkm> so i have to use finger, though i always did anyways
Nov 27 00:56:14 <zakkm> would you happen to know, if i have a download going in microb
Nov 27 00:56:18 <johnx> looking at fvwm-crystal, I think it would be a huge pain to try and use that with my fingers. lxde/openbox is pretty similar
Nov 27 00:56:22 <zakkm> how i can close the window of the site, and keep the download going
Nov 27 00:56:36 <zakkm> openbox is empty first of all
Nov 27 00:56:47 <zakkm> lxde is a desktop ;p
Nov 27 00:57:05 <johnx> yeah, it takes up about as much screen space as fvwm-crystal
Nov 27 00:57:21 <johnx> and I think you have to leave at least one microb window open
Nov 27 00:57:41 <zakkm> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2021/2173422430_5f95c04329.jpg?v=0
Nov 27 00:57:53 <johnx> ahaha
Nov 27 00:58:01 <johnx> that would be insane to use on an actual tablet :)
Nov 27 00:58:03 <zakkm> that was the one on the itt forum
Nov 27 00:58:32 <johnx> all those tiny buttons
Nov 27 00:58:46 <zakkm> maemo is getting boring ;p
Nov 27 00:59:04 <johnx> the only problem is it's just better than the alternatives
Nov 27 00:59:27 <johnx> just *try* deblet and install fvwm-crystal and if you actually enjoy it, then worry about how to work on battery life
Nov 27 01:00:07 <johnx> some kind of "suspend-to-RAM" setup should be completely possible
Nov 27 01:00:09 <zakkm> would take alot to try, just the way i dont have wifi at home and stuff
Nov 27 01:00:29 <johnx> then I guess you're out of luck
Nov 27 02:55:54 <joyious> Hi, could some tell me does n810 support overlay framebuffer ?
Nov 27 02:56:28 <johnx> I believe so
Nov 27 02:58:13 <joyious> johnx: Can you tell me more about this ?
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