**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 08 02:59:57 2008
Dec 08 05:33:13 <RST38h> moo all
Dec 08 05:36:12 <Myrtti> MOO
Dec 08 05:37:28 <bombas> Hello Maemo!!
Dec 08 05:37:28 <r2d2rogers> Myrtti: baaa
Dec 08 05:37:45 <r2d2rogers> Myrtti: "three singing pigs go Laaa laa laa."
Dec 08 05:38:03 <r2d2rogers> oh wait... sorry my wife did bedtime stories tonight ;)
Dec 08 05:38:08 <Myrtti> r2d2rogers: don't make me laugh like that, I've slept two hours and almost snorted coffee out my nose
Dec 08 05:38:16 <r2d2rogers> \o/
Dec 08 05:38:29 <bombas> E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user.
Dec 08 05:38:37 <r2d2rogers> Myrtti: to the baa or the pigs?
Dec 08 05:38:39 <bombas> please help whats needs to done!
Dec 08 05:40:04 <r2d2rogers> bombas: Sorry I haven't managed to get scratcbox working lately, I'm gonna be working more with Mer and my 770
Dec 08 05:44:28 <bombas> r2d2rogers: thanks for the reply. So is there any old builds/tools i can install for maemo setup?
Dec 08 05:46:27 <r2d2rogers> bombas: what are you wanting to do?
Dec 08 05:47:30 <r2d2rogers> ~development
Dec 08 05:48:20 <infobot> methinks development is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20to%20compile%20applications%20and%20develop%20for%20the%20iPAQ
Dec 08 05:48:32 <r2d2rogers> wow
Dec 08 05:48:38 <r2d2rogers> for the iPAQ
Dec 08 05:50:19 <GeneralAntilles> r2d2rogers, infobot is in several channels
Dec 08 05:50:25 <GeneralAntilles> maemo.org/development
Dec 08 05:50:30 <r2d2rogers> ahha
Dec 08 05:50:31 <r2d2rogers> thanks
Dec 08 05:50:39 <r2d2rogers> ~maemo.org/development
Dec 08 05:51:08 <GeneralAntilles> ~maemo-dev is http://maemo.org/development
Dec 08 05:51:20 <infobot> okay, GeneralAntilles
Dec 08 05:51:42 <r2d2rogers> thank you GeneralAntilles
Dec 08 05:51:53 <r2d2rogers> bombas: does that help  you any? ^^^
Dec 08 05:53:27 <andrewfblack> Hello
Dec 08 05:56:30 <l7> ~remove xterm-scrollbar
Dec 08 05:56:40 <l7> ~removing xterm-scrollbar
Dec 08 05:56:47 <l7> hrm, what did i name that thing?
Dec 08 05:57:12 <l7> ~removing osso-scrollbar
Dec 08 05:57:40 <GeneralAntilles> ~remove-osso-scrollbar
Dec 08 05:57:46 <GeneralAntilles> ~osso-scrollbar-remove
Dec 08 05:57:59 <GeneralAntilles> Apparently nothing sensible. :P
Dec 08 05:58:04 <GeneralAntilles> But it has to be all one word
Dec 08 05:59:06 <RST38h> moo, General
Dec 08 05:59:24 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, RST38h.
Dec 08 05:59:46 <l7> ~removing-xterm-scrollbar
Dec 08 05:59:51 <l7> ~remove-xterm-scrollbar
Dec 08 05:59:52 <infobot> i heard remove-xterm-scrollbar is "gconftool --set --type=bool /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar 0"
Dec 08 06:00:01 <l7> ah thanks :)
Dec 08 06:00:26 <l7> is there a way to get an index from infobot?
Dec 08 06:01:06 <GeneralAntilles> Not that I know of
Dec 08 06:13:00 <bombas> r2d2rogers: I want to setup maemo SDK. while doing that, i was getting some errors and solutions along, i kept fixing them till I stuck at this error "E: Scratchbox login found but not executable by user.". is there a alternative way?
Dec 08 06:14:34 <r2d2rogers> That I don't know, sorry
Dec 08 06:15:39 <bombas> r2d2rogers: ok no issues. thanks!
Dec 08 06:38:27 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: is the imager you gave me about 2 days ago outdated?
Dec 08 06:47:05 * Meiz_n810 has to re-install Mer again...
Dec 08 06:47:50 <r2d2rogers> Meiz_n810: I'm trying now on 770
Dec 08 06:48:33 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 08 06:48:40 <Meiz_n810> good luck :)
Dec 08 06:48:55 <r2d2rogers> thanks
Dec 08 06:49:14 <Meiz_n810> This time i'll try ubuntu-MID packages
Dec 08 06:51:25 <l7> ~mer
Dec 08 06:51:46 <infobot> from memory, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary)
Dec 08 06:52:45 <l7> hmm, too bad it's not Maemo Reloaded
Dec 08 06:53:09 <GeneralAntilles> Too many horrible, horrible Matrix associations.
Dec 08 06:53:30 <Myrtti> Follow The White Bunny
Dec 08 06:54:16 <l7> heh
Dec 08 06:54:45 <l7> Follow The White Bunny?
Dec 08 07:03:29 <Myrtti> well, bunnies are so much cuter than plain rabbits
Dec 08 07:10:03 <GeneralAntilles> Comment #3 is kind of a sad thought: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/the-cardinal-sin-of-scratchbox-a-backhanded-stab-at-the-maemo-sdk-and-the-promise-of-a-pot-of-gold/
Dec 08 07:55:32 <Sargun> When is the new Nokia coming!?
Dec 08 07:56:16 <bergie> Sargun: I don't think there is any definitive information about that :-)
Dec 08 07:57:14 * Proteous cries
Dec 08 07:57:54 <Sargun> noooooo
Dec 08 08:05:09 <bergie> though, if the new nokia, whenever it comes out, is anyway similar to N97, I'd be happy
Dec 08 08:09:09 <Shezi> Hi, I want to know about File Manager metadata extraction.? How it extracts and where it stores the extracted metadata?A
Dec 08 08:09:12 <vincenzo88> Hello
Dec 08 08:59:13 <Shezi> is the trackerd daemon uses sqlite to store metadata information
Dec 08 08:59:13 <Shezi> ?
Dec 08 08:59:19 <Shezi> when the files are indexed
Dec 08 09:04:55 <qwerty12> m-vo, is there plans to bring back the diablo branch of h-a-m? http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager is NOT a diablo branch and hence fails compiling under a diablo sdk. I would like to be able to do a "svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/hildon-app-mgr/branches/2.1.x/" which had the real diablo h-a-m but instead I get a README telling me to go to gitorious to download the fremantle version. What gives?
Dec 08 09:05:56 <qwerty12> Ahh, I'm being thick. Sorry, http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager/repos/mainline/trees/release_diablo
Dec 08 09:06:09 <qwerty12> Be nice if that readme pointed directly there :)
Dec 08 09:06:12 * aquatix gives qwerty12 a nice cup of coffee/tea
Dec 08 09:06:26 <aquatix> (cross through what's not to your liking)
Dec 08 09:06:33 <qwerty12> Thanks aquatix :D
Dec 08 09:06:37 <aquatix> yw :)
Dec 08 09:06:45 <GeneralAntilles> Ouch. <_< http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager/repos/mainline/trees/release_diablo/catpo
Dec 08 09:07:10 <qwerty12> s/Able/Abel/g :)
Dec 08 09:08:29 <qwerty12> Now that I'm up; I may as well compile the latest h-a-m.
Dec 08 09:16:03 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: can you upload latest imager tar.gz?
Dec 08 09:21:41 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: yeah, sec, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-imager-20081207-2126.tar.gz
Dec 08 09:21:45 <Stskeeps> is the latest one
Dec 08 09:22:41 <qwerty12> ffs, git is a nice way to fucking piss you off
Dec 08 09:23:25 <glass_> "but it's so fast"
Dec 08 09:23:31 <glass_> "look at these stats"
Dec 08 09:23:37 <qwerty12> it's so anal retentive
Dec 08 09:25:25 <w00t> what's up?
Dec 08 09:26:10 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: thanks
Dec 08 09:26:50 <qwerty12> All I want is the release_diablo branch/tree/whateverthefuckitiscalled and I keep getting the mainline. I've tried a shit ton of variations on the git command to no avail
Dec 08 09:27:33 <Stskeeps> git clone <url> <branch>?
Dec 08 09:27:38 <Stskeeps> .. dunno
Dec 08 09:27:41 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I've tried that
Dec 08 09:27:57 <qwerty12> git just makes a new fucking folder and gets mainline
Dec 08 09:28:13 <qwerty12> at least with fucking svn, all that entails is /branches/2.1.x
Dec 08 09:31:07 <pupnik> "Bank robbery is a dilletantish trade.  Real pros found a bank." - Berthold Brecht
Dec 08 09:32:28 <AStorm> qwerty12, can't use git properly, you?
Dec 08 09:32:35 <qwerty12> AStorm, yep
Dec 08 09:32:41 <AStorm> the only thing it needs is partial pull
Dec 08 09:32:53 <qwerty12> Tell me more :)
Dec 08 09:33:06 <AStorm> I don't know how to make a shallow clone :)
Dec 08 09:33:12 <AStorm> about what?
Dec 08 09:33:26 <qwerty12> Heh, nothing, thanks for the pointer :)
Dec 08 09:34:09 <AStorm> qwerty12, ah, you want to pull something#branch
Dec 08 09:34:28 <AStorm> or use git remote to set the branch
Dec 08 09:34:36 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, what's responsible for the "unplug your wallwart or bring about the end of mankind" banner?
Dec 08 09:34:46 <GeneralAntilles> Is that the battery applet or one of the daemons?
Dec 08 09:34:59 <qwerty12> AStorm, Ah, thanks!
Dec 08 09:35:01 <Stskeeps> battery applet i think
Dec 08 09:35:16 <qwerty12> yer, battery applet. You don't see it with advanced-power.
Dec 08 09:35:33 <qwerty12> Plus, I changed the locales of the battery applet last time.
Dec 08 09:35:42 <GeneralAntilles> That's what I figured
Dec 08 09:35:43 <GeneralAntilles> thanks
Dec 08 09:35:44 <AStorm> advanced-power? what's better about it?
Dec 08 09:36:07 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905
Dec 08 09:36:08 <qwerty12> AStorm, minus being made in python, it's way better. I'll get you a screenshit
Dec 08 09:36:39 <AStorm> being in python is not a minus :P
Dec 08 09:36:49 <qwerty12> bollocks, kismet left my wifi unusable :/
Dec 08 09:36:52 <lardman> morning
Dec 08 09:36:53 <AStorm> as python is already running for canolad
Dec 08 09:37:00 <AStorm> :>
Dec 08 09:37:01 <lardman> anything exciting happened today?
Dec 08 09:37:06 <qwerty12> AStorm, depends, you can see the delay when tapping the battery icon
Dec 08 09:37:08 <qwerty12> morning lardman
Dec 08 09:37:08 <w00t> qwerty12: you get the whole repo, then you switch to the head you want
Dec 08 09:37:09 <AStorm> hello
Dec 08 09:37:10 <w00t> </late>
Dec 08 09:37:19 <w00t> (partial pull would be nice, though, yes)
Dec 08 09:37:28 <qwerty12> w00t, no, no it's all helpful to me, thanks
Dec 08 09:37:38 <AStorm> qwerty12, that's bad design
Dec 08 09:37:46 <AStorm> my pygtk apps work ok
Dec 08 09:37:49 <w00t> :)
Dec 08 09:37:54 <AStorm> w/o lag
Dec 08 09:38:23 <AStorm> (on tablet too)
Dec 08 09:38:43 <Mikho> could someone help? I suddenly started getting the error: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/lib/libbenri-util.la' My library is in /usr/lib, not /usr/local/lib. Why is it searching in /usr/local ?
Dec 08 09:39:13 <lardman> Mikho: how did you build it?
Dec 08 09:39:22 <AStorm> --prefix?
Dec 08 09:39:22 <AStorm> --libdir?
Dec 08 09:39:23 <Mikho> with autotools
Dec 08 09:39:37 <Mikho> just by typing "make" like always
Dec 08 09:39:39 <AStorm> or, some other lib has that in its .la file
Dec 08 09:39:54 <lardman> configure usually accepts a switch to tell it where the binaries & lib should do, often defults to /usr/local
Dec 08 09:40:14 <lardman> ah, we're talking about the linker though
Dec 08 09:40:19 <lardman> I'll go back to sleep ;)
Dec 08 09:40:46 <Shezi> the searching capability via Trackerd! Do Trackerd uses sqlite on its backend to store metadata information of files
Dec 08 09:40:48 <Shezi> ?
Dec 08 09:41:18 <Stskeeps> Shezi: we have no idea how tracker will work as the sdk is not out yet
Dec 08 09:41:25 <qwerty12> AStorm, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/pybat1.png & http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/pybatt2.png
Dec 08 09:41:41 <Shezi> but how it was working before?
Dec 08 09:41:54 <Shezi> the same in Ubuntu or Debian?
Dec 08 09:41:58 <GeneralAntilles> Shezi, you'd have to talk to upstream
Dec 08 09:42:07 <GeneralAntilles> Maemo hasn't seen any Tracker yet. :)
Dec 08 09:42:07 <Mikho> it was working before. The library and the pc file are in correct locations in /usr/lib
Dec 08 09:42:40 <GeneralAntilles> lol, I knew if ANYBODY was gonna use that theme it was definitely gonna be qwerty12. :P
Dec 08 09:42:43 <Shezi> GeneralAntilles, : According to Mikho, it was using trackerd before
Dec 08 09:43:01 <GeneralAntilles> Shezi, we're getting lines crossed here. :)
Dec 08 09:43:17 <Mikho> trackerd?
Dec 08 09:43:20 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, I tried it out yesterday :P, the clock design convinced me to keep it :P
Dec 08 09:43:27 <qwerty12> Before that, I was using Titan
Dec 08 09:43:56 <Shezi> Mikho,  Trackerd , a demon which indexes files and extracts the metadata and stores them in a database
Dec 08 09:44:20 <Shezi> Searching is usually done through Trackerd
Dec 08 09:44:39 <AStorm> like beagle?
Dec 08 09:44:43 <Shezi> yes
Dec 08 09:44:56 <GeneralAntilles> Shezi, like I said, Maemo hasn't seen Tracker yet (it likely will very soon). For now, you'll need to talk to upstream.
Dec 08 09:45:07 <GeneralAntilles> Shezi, they're available on GimpNet on #tracker.
Dec 08 09:45:09 <GeneralAntilles> http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/development.html
Dec 08 09:45:42 <Shezi> all right
Dec 08 09:45:57 <Shezi> but can you please tell me, how the searching worked in maemo...
Dec 08 09:46:00 <Shezi> ?
Dec 08 09:46:08 <Shezi> some libraries/plugins etc wat?
Dec 08 09:47:09 <Stskeeps> closed source daemon which noone liked
Dec 08 09:47:39 <Shezi> aha, so do it has a name. or they never made it public
Dec 08 09:47:40 <Shezi> ?
Dec 08 09:48:00 <Stskeeps> metalayer-crawler or something
Dec 08 09:48:16 <Shezi> but it harvests only mediafiles metadata
Dec 08 09:50:09 <Stskeeps> correct
Dec 08 09:50:31 <Shezi> so what about emails, other files etc
Dec 08 09:50:48 <Stskeeps> don't think it really does that
Dec 08 09:50:56 <Stskeeps> which is why tracker would be an improvement
Dec 08 09:50:56 <qwerty12> For any noobs like me who want the release_diablo branch of h-a-m : git clone git://gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline.git ; cd mainline/ ; git fetch ; git checkout --track -b release_diablo origin/release_diablo ; git pull
Dec 08 09:51:03 <qwerty12> and that was a long pita to do
Dec 08 09:51:15 <AStorm> btw, how do I disable the ctrl+e search?
Dec 08 09:51:49 <qwerty12> AStorm, you may be able to do it with the bluetooth keyboard applet. If not, then you could enter gconf because there are shortcuts in there iirc
Dec 08 09:52:20 * RST38h wonders loudly
Dec 08 09:52:20 <Shezi> All right, so you think metalayer-crawler is responsible for emails, media files , phone book entry etc metadata
Dec 08 09:52:22 <Shezi> ?
Dec 08 09:52:36 <Stskeeps> didn't say that.. :P
Dec 08 09:52:40 <RST38h> no just media
Dec 08 09:52:50 <AStorm> qwerty12, where in gconf?
Dec 08 09:53:35 <Shezi> lol :)
Dec 08 09:53:48 <Shezi> RST38h, :) thanks
Dec 08 09:54:27 <Shezi> but then i am still getting confused about the emails, phonebook, bookmarks etc , how their metadata is extracted though. If they are not using metalayer-crawler
Dec 08 09:54:29 <Shezi> ?
Dec 08 09:54:31 <qwerty12> AStorm, /apps/osso/keybindings
Dec 08 09:54:44 <RST38h> Their metadata is not currently extracted
Dec 08 09:54:50 <Stskeeps> Shezi: manual search..
Dec 08 09:54:52 <AStorm> thx
Dec 08 09:55:08 <Shezi> aha right, thats also possible
Dec 08 09:55:45 <AStorm> qwerty12, howw do I get the nice icons on main screen?
Dec 08 09:55:58 <qwerty12> AStorm, fiferboy's personal launcher
Dec 08 09:56:00 <qwerty12> it's in extras
Dec 08 09:56:08 <Shezi> But I think , phone book, emails and bookmark are using some plugins to extract the metadata, and then these metadata can be used by the search clients to find the files or its metadata
Dec 08 09:56:15 <Shezi> sorry , only files
Dec 08 09:56:44 <Mikho> I don't understand... all other projects using the same library compile & link without problems
Dec 08 09:56:53 <AStorm> qwerty12, 5hx
Dec 08 09:57:03 <RST38h> qwerty: Returning to yesterday, any chance of compiling that file manager for Maemo? =)
Dec 08 09:57:04 <AStorm> thx
Dec 08 09:57:14 <RST38h> Shezi: No.
Dec 08 09:58:04 <AStorm> Now, I'd only need a way to get rid of the left bar
Dec 08 09:58:16 <AStorm> and put its useful buttons on the home screen
Dec 08 09:58:24 <qwerty12> RST38h, sure, I can try again after I've messed with h-a-m, but bewarned that it didn't work properly last time: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19270&highlight=pcman
Dec 08 09:58:25 <Shezi> RST38h: Then i think the search client will have the capability of reading metadata directly from files and showing the results to the user, if the search is done through metadata keyword
Dec 08 09:58:43 <AStorm> actually, one - menu
Dec 08 09:59:17 * lardman wonders what Google have done to Maps to make it sooooo slllooooooowwww?
Dec 08 09:59:34 <qwerty12> lardman, upgraded it of course!
Dec 08 09:59:51 <RST38h> qwerty: Oh
Dec 08 09:59:53 <lardman> qwerty12: damn, going to need to upgrade to a Quad core + 8GB of RAM now
Dec 08 09:59:59 <AStorm> more javascrot
Dec 08 10:00:06 <qwerty12> lardman, hehe
Dec 08 10:00:25 <AStorm> they "optimized" it for chrome
Dec 08 10:00:30 <lardman> then again it might be Firefox that is just choking
Dec 08 10:00:47 <AStorm> that's why maemo-mapper suddenly became so much more useful
Dec 08 10:01:13 <lardman> well it would be a damn site quicker than trying to use my desktop browser anyway. Grrr!
Dec 08 10:02:24 <AStorm> ok, so how do I get rid of the bar on the left?
Dec 08 10:02:40 <AStorm> have to replace wm to something? :P
Dec 08 10:03:03 <AStorm> (like, normal matchbox, not hacked)
Dec 08 10:03:35 <X-Fade> Morning.
Dec 08 10:05:19 <AStorm> ok, hav to get rid of window borders
Dec 08 10:06:49 <Shezi> RST38h: About File Manager, how it extracts metadata from file?
Dec 08 10:07:14 <AStorm> gnomevfs?
Dec 08 10:07:31 <Shezi> hmm dont know,.. :\
Dec 08 10:11:17 <RST38h> Shezi: it does not
Dec 08 10:13:03 <AStorm> qwerty12, where do I get adv. battery?
Dec 08 10:13:18 <qwerty12> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905
Dec 08 10:13:36 <qwerty12> Stolen from GeneralAntilles's scrollback :P
Dec 08 10:13:45 <AStorm> mhm
Dec 08 10:15:41 <RST38h> Reminds me once again abut having to do a dock applet skeleton code
Dec 08 10:21:03 <Mikho> right... solved the problem by remaking and installing a third library also using the same utility library
Dec 08 10:21:16 <Mikho> mysterious are the ways of the autotools
Dec 08 10:22:02 <AStorm> autofail
Dec 08 10:22:21 <Mikho> and the error messages are ambiguous enough for someone to invent a new religion based on them
Dec 08 10:22:22 <AStorm> a bot, here?
Dec 08 10:22:32 <AStorm> povbot, botsnack
Dec 08 10:22:33 <povbot> AStorm: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command.
Dec 08 10:22:40 <qwerty12> ~botsnack
Dec 08 10:22:40 <infobot> aw, gee, qwerty12
Dec 08 10:22:47 <qwerty12> muhahahaha
Dec 08 10:23:23 <AStorm> another...
Dec 08 10:25:51 <RST38h> ~burn autotools for who needs them nowadays?
Dec 08 10:25:52 * infobot pours gasoline all over autotools for who needs them nowadays, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
Dec 08 10:26:31 <w00t> amen.
Dec 08 10:26:35 <qwerty12> ~bitchslap autotools
Dec 08 10:26:36 * infobot beats the sh*t out of autotools
Dec 08 10:26:38 <qwerty12> ~rob autotools
Dec 08 10:26:39 * infobot strips autotools of his nick, title and all rights & privileges and gives them to someone more worthy
Dec 08 10:26:49 <qwerty12> ~beat autotools
Dec 08 10:26:50 * infobot beats autotools with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish
Dec 08 10:26:56 <w00t> I frequently say that autotools should die in a fire
Dec 08 10:26:59 <w00t> now, it finally has.
Dec 08 10:27:21 <Mikho> haha, I feel better already
Dec 08 10:27:29 * RST38h secretly believes that the whole reason for having Scratchbox instead of a normal SDK is the autotools
Dec 08 10:27:43 <w00t> Stskeeps: you didn't mention that stuff involved autotools :(
Dec 08 10:30:34 * lardman really needs to get a build-box setup at work
Dec 08 10:30:52 <murrayc> Stskeeps: What would a "normal SDK" be? The reason for having scratchbox is to have a simulation of the device and a build environment for it.
Dec 08 10:30:59 <murrayc> I mean RST38h
Dec 08 10:31:23 <AStorm> normal SDK would use normal crosscompiler
Dec 08 10:31:30 <AStorm> like, say, T9 linux
Dec 08 10:31:33 <lardman> murrayc: I guess he means a cross toolchain + libs
Dec 08 10:31:42 <AStorm> not cpu emulation
Dec 08 10:32:07 <murrayc> How would you run it without CPU emulation?
Dec 08 10:32:42 <murrayc> What is T9 Linux?
Dec 08 10:33:06 <AStorm> it's cross...
Dec 08 10:33:06 <AStorm> T9 SDE
Dec 08 10:33:17 <AStorm> google it up
Dec 08 10:33:25 <murrayc> I am. I get nothing
Dec 08 10:33:56 <AStorm> maybe they renamed it
Dec 08 10:34:34 <murrayc> Reusing the T9 tradename would be foolish.
Dec 08 10:35:32 <AStorm> hm?
Dec 08 10:35:41 <AStorm> whoops
Dec 08 10:35:50 <AStorm> T2 SDE or sth
Dec 08 10:35:59 <AStorm> I mess up this nondescriptive name
Dec 08 10:37:09 <RST38h> murrayc <-- kinda clueless
Dec 08 10:37:34 <RST38h> murrayc: A plain vanilla SDK would be just a set of cross compilation tools and binary tools
Dec 08 10:37:35 <murrayc> I am kinda clueless?
Dec 08 10:38:00 <RST38h> murrayc: No emulation required in this case, it runs on the host architecture and produces target arch binaries
Dec 08 10:38:25 <murrayc> AStorm: So it's a distro? It wouldn't be nice to force people to use one distro? (Though people are effectively forced to use Debian or Ubuntu with Maemo if they want an easy life, because of the problems that mvo mentions in his blog.)
Dec 08 10:38:43 <RST38h> The reason why Scratchbox uses emulation and other mysterious crap is because "some software requires running binaries on the target architecture to compile"
Dec 08 10:39:34 <AStorm> murrayc, scratchbox is a distro
Dec 08 10:39:38 <murrayc> RST38h: And to get something like the behaviour of that architecture. Code acts differently on intel/arm sometimes in ways that are significant in the debugging phase.
Dec 08 10:39:38 * RST38h always wondered what binaries would that be until it struck him that they meant the freaking Autotools/
Dec 08 10:39:43 <AStorm> debian-like
Dec 08 10:39:43 <AStorm> :P
Dec 08 10:40:01 <murrayc> AStorm: In a way, yes.
Dec 08 10:40:02 <AStorm> RST38h, some is mostly autofoo
Dec 08 10:40:02 <AStorm> and they're too lazy to patch it
Dec 08 10:40:15 <RST38h> murrayc: Absolutely insignificant as Scratchbox is next to useless for debugging
Dec 08 10:40:33 <AStorm> t2 patches packages for cross
Dec 08 10:40:33 <AStorm> and they work
Dec 08 10:40:48 <derf> I've done almost all of my debugging in scratchbox.
Dec 08 10:40:54 <RST38h> murrayc: It does not reflect the behaviour of your code on the real device and some system features (like file dialogs) do not even work
Dec 08 10:40:57 <murrayc> RST38h: I think when you say "Plain vanilla SDK" you mean a Scratchbox that is self-contained. People agree that Scratchbox should be fixed and it looks like Scratchnox 2 could solve many of the problems.
Dec 08 10:41:03 <AStorm> yup, scratchbox is useless for debug
Dec 08 10:41:15 <AStorm> so you haven't hit real bugs yet :>
Dec 08 10:41:21 <murrayc> RST38h: Yes, it's not a 100% simulation, but it's still closer than running as i386.
Dec 08 10:41:21 <RST38h> murrayc: When I say "plain vanilla SDK" I mean plain vanilla SDK.
Dec 08 10:41:33 <RST38h> I do not, DO NOT mean Scratchbox
Dec 08 10:41:46 <AStorm> murrayc, most not
Dec 08 10:41:46 <AStorm> the major being its debianisms
Dec 08 10:41:46 <AStorm> :P
Dec 08 10:42:01 <RST38h> murrayc: not close enough to be useful sorry
Dec 08 10:43:12 <murrayc> Scratchbox is vastly better than the proprietary development environments that I've used for other mobile platforms.
Dec 08 10:44:33 <RST38h> mmm/...like what?
Dec 08 10:45:01 <qwerty12> For me, scratchbox is quicker because I don't have to mess around with configure arguments and export a bunch of variables to point to my new toolchain
Dec 08 10:45:37 <AStorm> qwerty12, that's the debian part :P
Dec 08 10:45:45 <qwerty12> AStorm, probably :P :D
Dec 08 10:45:47 <AStorm> actually, easy to do with one script
Dec 08 10:45:52 <lardman> I don't like the way I have to pollute my build environment, it would be nice if the changes required to build a package (e.g. installing support libs) could be wiped away in one go
Dec 08 10:45:56 * RST38h only does it once and forgets about it
Dec 08 10:45:58 <AStorm> so, not important
Dec 08 10:46:24 <RST38h> While with SB mysterious holes leading to pools of fecal matter with weird file extensions open daily
Dec 08 10:46:48 <lardman> RST38h: it does do the job though
Dec 08 10:47:05 <lardman> RST38h: would you really prefer a cross compiler?
Dec 08 10:47:20 <RST38h> lardman: yes, but I would rather write my own code than try figuring out why SB broke again
Dec 08 10:47:23 <RST38h> lardman: yes
Dec 08 10:47:30 <lardman> RST38h: consider building something like R, where the R binary itself is used to build parts of the support files
Dec 08 10:47:41 <RST38h> lardman: I have that
Dec 08 10:47:50 <lardman> cross compiled?
Dec 08 10:47:56 <RST38h> lardman: I compile code-generating part with host CC
Dec 08 10:47:58 <lardman> without hackery? ;)
Dec 08 10:48:03 <RST38h> without any hackery
Dec 08 10:48:05 <AStorm> lardman, then you need a cross binary of R
Dec 08 10:48:09 <lardman> hmm
Dec 08 10:48:14 <lardman> so you patched the Makefiles
Dec 08 10:48:18 <AStorm> if they ignored that, R is too bad to live
Dec 08 10:48:22 <RST38h> They are my own makefiles
Dec 08 10:48:26 <lardman> while in scratchbox you just say go, and it compiles
Dec 08 10:48:32 <AStorm> more fun is with python and such :P
Dec 08 10:49:04 <AStorm> lardman, or breaks, more often
Dec 08 10:49:04 <AStorm> with a segfault
Dec 08 10:49:13 <AStorm> :)
Dec 08 10:49:17 <RST38h> lardman: I can't install Scratchbox on my Windows machine (need to install Linux), it takes 1GB+ HD space (have to delete half of Ubuntu distro) and SB1 does not let me access host filesystem from inside
Dec 08 10:49:19 <lardman> really? I've not seen many of those
Dec 08 10:49:23 <AStorm> qemu niceness
Dec 08 10:49:30 <RST38h> lardman: Sorry, but I will take a crosscompiler any time
Dec 08 10:49:34 <lardman> RST38h: indeed, nothing is perfect
Dec 08 10:49:51 <lardman> RST38h: but all of these are acceptable to me, cross toolchains are a pita
Dec 08 10:50:18 <lardman> imo of course, from time spent compiling for the Zaurus
Dec 08 10:50:26 <AStorm> nah
Dec 08 10:50:35 <AStorm> apps not build for crossing are
Dec 08 10:50:45 <AStorm> *not built
Dec 08 10:50:49 <RST38h> lardman: You probably port a lot of standard Linux software, then it makes sense
Dec 08 10:50:57 <lardman> which, unfortunately, is many
Dec 08 10:51:17 <AStorm> worst offender is perl
Dec 08 10:52:05 <AStorm> for python, can just axe the .pyo, .pyc and redo these on target machine
Dec 08 10:52:15 <vincenzo88> Hello, i developp on N810 and i try to create a launch icon on the navigator bar. I have create the .desktop and .service files. The icon appear in the menu but when i click on the icon nothing append. Someone have and idea to help me ? Thanks.
Dec 08 10:52:18 <AStorm> and it will correctly use cross CC
Dec 08 10:52:39 <vincenzo88> (the program work when i launch it with ./myapp)
Dec 08 10:52:54 <RST38h> vincenzo: your program probably does not connect to DBus
Dec 08 10:53:14 <RST38h> vincenzo: Remove the dbus-related line from .desktop and delete the .service file
Dec 08 10:53:26 <qwerty12> vincenzo88, where is the binary located and can you pastebin your desktop and service file?
Dec 08 10:54:27 <vincenzo88> qwerty12: the binary is in : /usr/bin/folder/binary
Dec 08 10:54:52 <vincenzo88> i paste my two files 1 sec ;)
Dec 08 10:54:53 <lardman> hmm
Dec 08 10:54:59 <qwerty12> vincenzo88, hrm, iirc, it's not really orthodox to have subfolders in bin
Dec 08 10:55:29 <vincenzo88> Ok i will put the executable directly in bin folder
Dec 08 10:56:00 <qwerty12> generally, files needed by your program should be loaded from /usr/share/program/whatever
Dec 08 10:59:19 <vincenzo> re this is the desktop :
Dec 08 10:59:20 <vincenzo> [Desktop Entry]
Dec 08 10:59:20 <vincenzo> Encoding=UTF-8
Dec 08 10:59:20 <vincenzo> Version=1.0.1
Dec 08 10:59:20 <vincenzo> Type=Application
Dec 08 10:59:20 <vincenzo> Name=icuportable
Dec 08 10:59:21 <vincenzo> Exec=/usr/bin/IcuPortable/icuportable
Dec 08 10:59:23 <vincenzo> X-Osso-Service=com.nokia.icuportable
Dec 08 10:59:25 <vincenzo> Icon=qgn_list_gene_default_app
Dec 08 10:59:37 <lardman> ~pastebin
Dec 08 10:59:38 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Dec 08 11:00:06 <RST38h> vincenzo: Remove  X-Osso-Service= line
Dec 08 11:00:19 <RST38h> vincenzo: It should work then
Dec 08 11:00:23 <AStorm> vincenzo, is  there such a service running?
Dec 08 11:00:46 <AStorm> yup
Dec 08 11:00:52 <vincenzo> I will put the binary directly in the bin folder too
Dec 08 11:01:15 <RST38h> That is not necessary but probably is a good idea
Dec 08 11:01:30 <lopz> hola
Dec 08 11:01:37 <RST38h> creating subfolders in /usr/bin isn't good practice
Dec 08 11:01:54 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, #13 on #2285 sucks :/. Regarding extras, I don't think his package is debanized and he uses pypackager :/
Dec 08 11:02:32 <vincenzo> I delete the .service file too ?
Dec 08 11:03:23 <RST38h> yes, unless you really implement the service
Dec 08 11:07:27 <vincenzo> It's work !! Many thanks for your help i search for 5 hours
Dec 08 11:08:13 <RST38h> hehe
Dec 08 11:08:27 <RST38h> [and now he is going to ask how to make it display the icon in the task bar]
Dec 08 11:09:11 <qwerty12> Well :P, gtk apps do that automatically from my knowledge and with sdl games, it's not hard to bend them into submission :P
Dec 08 11:09:23 <vincenzo> it's not very important for the moment but i suppose i have to change the line "Icon"
Dec 08 11:10:07 <AStorm> vincenzo, not just that :)
Dec 08 11:10:18 <AStorm> some hildon stuff has to be done
Dec 08 11:10:30 <AStorm> I don't remember what
Dec 08 11:13:58 <Macer> blah
Dec 08 11:14:08 <Macer> boswars is pretty good for being on an n800
Dec 08 11:14:09 <Macer> :)
Dec 08 11:14:42 <Macer> would be even better if there were more types of units
Dec 08 11:24:17 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/newappmgrcatergories.png
Dec 08 11:24:27 <qwerty12> debs are in the same place
Dec 08 11:26:44 <lardman> is the General about?
Dec 08 11:28:20 <caio1982> qwerty12: neat theme, what is it?
Dec 08 11:28:53 <qwerty12> caio1982, ciroip's 3d mania : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24736
Dec 08 11:29:01 <caio1982> thanks :)
Dec 08 11:36:29 <Stskeeps> murrayc: look at m-vos post on planet.maemo.org
Dec 08 11:36:36 <Stskeeps> exactly like that
Dec 08 11:49:39 <aquatix> qwerty12: that .deb in the first post of that itt.com thread, is that the latest version of that theme?
Dec 08 11:50:16 <qwerty12> aquatix, probably not, I'm using the desaturated version: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=805
Dec 08 11:57:17 * aquatix still wants to make a theme of his own
Dec 08 12:00:11 <yerga> Fremantle SDK is out!
Dec 08 12:00:15 <aquatix> .. ew? https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4956/ApplicationManager_Sshot_arlecchino_teaser.jpg
Dec 08 12:00:19 <aquatix> yerga: ooh
Dec 08 12:00:37 <yerga> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/first_maemo_5_sdk_release_targeting_platform_developers/
Dec 08 12:00:41 <qwerty12> Party!
Dec 08 12:00:52 <Stskeeps> woo
Dec 08 12:00:57 <yerga> qwerty12, you should be hacking yet
Dec 08 12:01:00 <Stskeeps> alpha?
Dec 08 12:01:01 <aquatix> hm, i didn't check lately, but is there any word on compatibility with n8x0? (or am i the gazillionth person to ask)
Dec 08 12:01:14 <lardman> at last
Dec 08 12:01:16 <aquatix> of course, there's always community backporting
Dec 08 12:01:25 <lardman> aquatix: +1
Dec 08 12:01:31 <qwerty12> yerga, I've built the latest diablo app mgr with your mods etc, that's my hacking for the day :P
Dec 08 12:01:58 <lardman> right, let's get building an image for the n8x0 then :)
Dec 08 12:02:11 <Stskeeps> -finally-
Dec 08 12:02:11 <qwerty12> lardman, you first :P
Dec 08 12:02:22 <lardman> qwerty12: ;)
Dec 08 12:02:41 <qwerty12> ooh, I don't know wtf  wildmidi is but it has a funky name
Dec 08 12:04:08 <aquatix> qwerty12: some midi synth?
Dec 08 12:04:22 <qwerty12> yeah, I wonder what nokia are planning to use it for :)
Dec 08 12:04:42 <Stskeeps> ringtones?
Dec 08 12:04:50 <lardman> bluez4
Dec 08 12:04:51 <lcuk> ooooh @ shiny new stuff
Dec 08 12:05:08 <lcuk> haptics ;)
Dec 08 12:05:58 <qwerty12> the sdk-default-icons now, seem awfully like the ones from diablo...
Dec 08 12:06:10 <lardman> they are
Dec 08 12:06:13 <lardman> same ui for the time being
Dec 08 12:06:30 <lardman> lcuk: where's haptics?
Dec 08 12:06:31 <qwerty12> my point is that the sdk-default-icons in diablo are fugly
Dec 08 12:06:47 <lardman> ah, well I'm sure we'll get the new ui when we get it
Dec 08 12:06:57 <qwerty12> pulseaudio!
Dec 08 12:07:06 <lardman> surprised?
Dec 08 12:07:11 <lardman> we knew that from the summit
Dec 08 12:07:18 <qwerty12> nope, I knew it was coming ;)
Dec 08 12:07:22 <qwerty12> still nice to see
Dec 08 12:07:37 <Stskeeps> i wonder if dsme is out yt
Dec 08 12:07:50 * lardman wonders how the alarms will be handled now
Dec 08 12:08:47 <qwerty12> openssh is included in the sdk now
Dec 08 12:08:55 <lardman> libc is 2.5.1-1eglibc7 - what does that mean?
Dec 08 12:09:01 <andrewfblack> Morning
Dec 08 12:09:07 <lardman> or just some random version?
Dec 08 12:09:10 <lardman> hello andrewfblack
Dec 08 12:09:16 <qwerty12> afternoon andrewfblack
Dec 08 12:09:39 <XTL> lardman: I'd parse that as -1e tending towards glibc v7.x
Dec 08 12:09:59 <lardman> XTL: ok
Dec 08 12:10:01 <qwerty12> lcuk, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/mesa/ !
Dec 08 12:10:09 <XTL> No real idea, though.
Dec 08 12:10:31 <XTL> qwerty12: heh
Dec 08 12:11:19 <AStorm> qwerty12, where's our gallium on DSP? :P
Dec 08 12:11:22 <lardman> maemo-chavo-runtime :)
Dec 08 12:11:26 <lardman> what is that?
Dec 08 12:11:29 <AStorm> write it!
Dec 08 12:11:33 <qwerty12> whee, 2.6.27 as default kernel
Dec 08 12:11:37 <qwerty12> AStorm, :P
Dec 08 12:11:51 <qwerty12> lardman, something to do with communications subsystem
Dec 08 12:11:51 <AStorm> :D
Dec 08 12:11:56 <lardman> AStorm: I hope it won't be necessary
Dec 08 12:12:01 <andrewfblack> why are there so many kinds of security screws grrr
Dec 08 12:12:06 <lardman> qwerty12: ok
Dec 08 12:12:26 <AStorm> heh, why?
Dec 08 12:12:36 <AStorm> it's opengl's future
Dec 08 12:12:36 <lardman> AStorm: just because
Dec 08 12:12:45 <lardman> on the DSP though...?
Dec 08 12:13:14 <AStorm> well, that powervr is arm...
Dec 08 12:13:29 <AStorm> so, you could push gallium pipeline there
Dec 08 12:13:49 <AStorm> :>
Dec 08 12:13:59 <lardman> AStorm: what? it's not ARM
Dec 08 12:14:03 <lardman> libspeexdsp1 - interesting
Dec 08 12:14:42 <AStorm> lardman, yes, the powervr chip is a specialized arm
Dec 08 12:14:46 <qwerty12> lardman, it's a standard library in debian too
Dec 08 12:15:00 <lardman> AStorm: do you have a source?
Dec 08 12:15:03 <AStorm> that's why they don't want to release drivers
Dec 08 12:15:10 <lardman> qwerty12: ok
Dec 08 12:15:12 <AStorm> because all gfx pipeline is there
Dec 08 12:15:12 <AStorm> :>
Dec 08 12:15:26 <AStorm> as in TI pages..., yes
Dec 08 12:15:37 <AStorm> check them
Dec 08 12:15:41 <lardman> url?
Dec 08 12:15:53 <AStorm> it's a specialized arm implementation
Dec 08 12:16:07 <lardman> ok, but do you have a url to the docs?
Dec 08 12:16:11 <AStorm> sorry, my conn. is very loaded
Dec 08 12:16:22 <AStorm> but, it's on OMAP2 arch chart
Dec 08 12:16:49 <AStorm> lardman, it's *highly* visible, please
Dec 08 12:16:56 <lardman> I've never seen anything about the implementation of it
Dec 08 12:17:18 <AStorm> no, no docs for that part of OMAP2, unfortunately
Dec 08 12:17:32 <lardman> nor anything stating that it's an ARM core
Dec 08 12:18:01 <lardman> is this the arch chart you mean? http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11988&contentId=4638
Dec 08 12:18:10 <lardman> or one specific to a SOC?
Dec 08 12:18:16 <AStorm> really, check :)
Dec 08 12:18:27 <lardman> I have done really, hence my wanting a pointer :)
Dec 08 12:18:49 <AStorm> in a few secs
Dec 08 12:18:54 <lardman> cool
Dec 08 12:19:10 <AStorm> after I get to load the pages...
Dec 08 12:19:30 <lardman> too many people doing Xmas shopping, slowing down the interweb! ;)
Dec 08 12:20:50 <lardman> hmm, still running in scratchbox1
Dec 08 12:21:47 <qwerty12> good, good
Dec 08 12:22:03 <AStorm> nah
Dec 08 12:22:13 <AStorm> my conn is loaded by OOo 3 download
Dec 08 12:22:23 <AStorm> and it's just 64kbps now :P
Dec 08 12:22:49 <lardman> ok, so tell me which page it was on then
Dec 08 12:22:50 <AStorm> so I'm in a timeout hell
Dec 08 12:25:24 * Stskeeps isnt sure if we're getting anything huge from sdk that we didnt have already
Dec 08 12:25:37 <lardman> Stskeeps: just updates
Dec 08 12:25:51 <lardman> AStorm: are you sure you're not thinking of the IVA2?
Dec 08 12:26:25 <Stskeeps> lardman: most of them are in svn already. maybe matchbox wm 2 though
Dec 08 12:26:30 <X-Fade> Hmmm modest seems to be removed from fremantle sdk?
Dec 08 12:27:02 <lardman> X-Fade: is for platform devs, probably not been finalised yet?
Dec 08 12:27:28 <Stskeeps> i welcome the death of modest
Dec 08 12:27:31 <X-Fade> Yeah, or because it depends on that cert thing, which isn't open?
Dec 08 12:28:10 <X-Fade> And this SDK only contains the open parts.
Dec 08 12:28:19 <StsN800> true
Dec 08 12:28:53 <AStorm> lardman, hmm, possible
Dec 08 12:29:11 <AStorm> but IVA2 is an evolutionary development
Dec 08 12:29:30 <lardman> AStorm: I've done a fair bit of work looking at the PowerVR and have never come across any information about it being an ARM core
Dec 08 12:29:31 <AStorm> so IVA 1 is the same stuff... more or less
Dec 08 12:29:47 <lardman> the IVA2 otoh is an ARM9 (iirc) + memory + coprocessors
Dec 08 12:29:58 <lardman> I don't know anything about the IVA1
Dec 08 12:30:20 <lardman> nor what it was in - 770?
Dec 08 12:30:25 <AStorm> heh
Dec 08 12:30:42 <AStorm> so, on IVA2, our work should be to,write gallium core?
Dec 08 12:30:46 <lardman> certainly IVA2+ is now the DSP + hw accel coprocessors
Dec 08 12:30:51 <AStorm> :P
Dec 08 12:31:09 <AStorm> take their softpipe, implement it on that arm, profit?
Dec 08 12:31:13 <lardman> There's no way to get it working
Dec 08 12:32:12 <lardman> Anyway there's some work underway to try OpenGL on the DSP
Dec 08 12:32:35 <lardman> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dspgl/
Dec 08 12:35:40 * lardman wonders if mesa will remain in place when the omap3 hw acceleration comes along
Dec 08 12:36:53 <lardman> ah, the license doesn't restrict it, no need for source to be provided
Dec 08 12:39:31 <StsN800> qwerty12, could you get libhildon and see if it has hildon-pannable-area?
Dec 08 12:39:44 <StsN800> .h
Dec 08 12:40:31 <qwerty12> StsN800, it does
Dec 08 12:40:37 <StsN800> woo!
Dec 08 12:41:29 <yerga> someone with gstreamer experience can see if this is cool: http://yerga.net/files/camerabinvideo.c?
Dec 08 12:41:40 <yerga> lines 66-70, specially
Dec 08 12:41:54 <yerga> it is in the gstreamer-plugins-camera package
Dec 08 12:44:17 <lardman> interesting
Dec 08 12:44:41 <lardman> afaicr audio will be handled on the ARM, though video was to be on the DSP
Dec 08 12:44:49 <lardman> theora on the DSP...? I wonder
Dec 08 12:45:23 <lardman> anyway, good spot :)
Dec 08 12:48:10 <bombas> me newbie to maemo, can i use ubuntu for maemo development? in maemo docs i see hse kf Debian all the places
Dec 08 12:48:50 <lardman> bombas: I use a computer with Ubuntu installed for development
Dec 08 12:49:05 <lardman> bombas: you'll install scratchbox which has a mini debian environment inside it
Dec 08 12:49:45 <bombas> lardman: thanks! I have installed scratchbox and I could get emulator up too!
Dec 08 12:50:23 <lardman> :)
Dec 08 12:51:24 <StsN800> oh boy, no n8x0 fremantle
Dec 08 12:51:37 <lardman> StsN800: we can do our own
Dec 08 12:51:40 <lardman> that is the idea
Dec 08 12:51:46 <StsN800> it seems feasible to port many things though
Dec 08 12:52:44 <Stskeeps> but we will need hands, definately
Dec 08 12:52:50 <lardman> indeed
Dec 08 12:53:08 <X-Fade> And we need to think of a place where to put the ports?
Dec 08 12:53:41 <lardman> X-Fade: do you happen to know if the Fremantle binaries are compiled for the Cortex?
Dec 08 12:53:56 <lardman> If not, I hope most stuff should run, and the number of ports will be reasonably small
Dec 08 12:54:24 <X-Fade> lardman: I have no idea. File should tell you?
Dec 08 12:54:42 <lardman> yeah, I'll look when I get home
Dec 08 12:54:46 <lardman> just commenting really
Dec 08 12:56:30 <lardman> am out this afternoon, I expect to see a working Fremantle image for the N8x0 by this evening when I come back ;)
Dec 08 12:56:49 <X-Fade> We can push all source packages into diablo extras-devel and see? :D
Dec 08 12:56:52 <StsN800> technically mer is alre
Dec 08 12:57:06 <StsN800> ady using fm packages
Dec 08 13:03:25 <StsN800> is there anything resembling the new interface in sdk?
Dec 08 13:05:00 <t_s_o> whats going on? sdk release?!
Dec 08 13:05:12 <StsN800> alpha yea
Dec 08 13:06:18 <t_s_o> anything really interesting in there so far?
Dec 08 13:07:02 <kulve> kernel
Dec 08 13:07:15 <kulve> with default config for the hw
Dec 08 13:07:32 <StsN800> any interesting hints?
Dec 08 13:08:04 <yerga> StsN800, not much about the UI, except the dialogs are movable
Dec 08 13:08:45 <StsN800> k
Dec 08 13:10:01 <StsN800> if hildon lib doesnt change and h-d, fremantle is sure a possibility on n8x0, wo shiny effects
Dec 08 13:20:24 <GAN800> StsN800, no UI changes for alphas yet, but expect some later. :)
Dec 08 13:21:18 <yerga> The kinetic scroll is there, at least in the filechooser widget.
Dec 08 13:22:12 <RST38h> An alpha SDK release? Gimme gimme
Dec 08 13:22:20 <RST38h> Where is it? =)
Dec 08 13:24:16 <bombas> I have just installed 4.1.1 SDK, I see only settings app in emulator. doesn't it comes with existing applications ? like atleast browser?
Dec 08 13:24:48 <RST38h> bombas: this is correct, it does not come with apps
Dec 08 13:25:53 <bombas> and i need a account to download those application builds?
Dec 08 13:26:19 <RST38h> I have never tried it, but my guess is that you can install them with apt-get
Dec 08 13:26:25 <RST38h> No need to have an account
Dec 08 13:28:49 <bombas> RST38h: thanks. maemo comes with mozilla browser right? can you tell me command to install that browser in my emulator?
Dec 08 13:29:25 <andrewfblack> well I'm going to be selling my Tablet now
Dec 08 13:29:43 <RST38h> Are we gonna have an online auction then? Right here? =)
Dec 08 13:30:06 <RST38h> bombas: No - never has a need for it
Dec 08 13:30:11 <RST38h> s/has/had/
Dec 08 13:30:11 <infobot> RST38h meant: bombas: No - never had a need for it
Dec 08 13:30:58 <andrewfblack> lol nope not on irc, but looks like Maemo 5 isn't coming to old tablets so it wont be long and n810 will be out dated and have no software for them like 770s
Dec 08 13:31:15 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, pfft
Dec 08 13:31:24 <GeneralAntilles> Officially, perhaps.
Dec 08 13:31:34 <GeneralAntilles> But it's certainly no dead-end
Dec 08 13:31:37 <GeneralAntilles> not like it was for the 770.
Dec 08 13:31:51 <GeneralAntilles> Fremantle is WAY more open than any previous release
Dec 08 13:31:59 <GeneralAntilles> which makes a community backport much more feasible.
Dec 08 13:32:05 <andrewfblack> Maybe
Dec 08 13:32:13 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, re #2285. Fuck 'em. ;) If they can't manage to pull their own heads out of their asses, and there's much better community options available, then there's no sense fighting it.
Dec 08 13:32:23 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, it's a little early to be making snap decisions, anyway.
Dec 08 13:32:30 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, hehe
Dec 08 13:32:36 <andrewfblack> yeah I kinda knew this was coming anyways
Dec 08 13:33:00 <andrewfblack> maybe this will put some fire under people to get some of the other OS ports running better
Dec 08 13:33:37 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, that's not really the sustainable direction
Dec 08 13:33:58 <GeneralAntilles> If you want to see the way forward for OMAP2 tablets and Fremantle, watch Mer. :)
Dec 08 13:34:00 <RST38h> cell stuff is already in the alpha
Dec 08 13:34:07 <RST38h> hehe
Dec 08 13:39:18 <RST38h> Mesa is there. This means that things should THEORETICALLY work on N8x0 without 3D acceleration
Dec 08 13:41:56 <t_s_o> dog slow and battery eating?
Dec 08 13:42:23 <RST38h> yep, but can't do much about that
Dec 08 13:43:09 <t_s_o> true
Dec 08 13:47:10 <t_s_o> hmm, no more evolution data server...
Dec 08 13:48:27 <RST38h> Maemo 5 is using SB2 as the default dev environment, right?
Dec 08 13:51:14 <AStorm> nobody knows...
Dec 08 13:51:52 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, dunno, though the comments on m-vo's blog would seem to lead to that conclusion at some point.
Dec 08 13:52:20 <RST38h> General: That would be a great relief
Dec 08 13:52:40 <RST38h> (and at least I will no longer be the only idiot pestering Jukka with bug reports)
Dec 08 13:53:24 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, it might be a point worth seeking clarification on on -developers
Dec 08 13:58:25 <X-Fade> Current SDK is still using sb1. It can be installed next to the diablo devkit.
Dec 08 13:58:51 <lcuk> does the sdk include 3d emulation and stuff? :D
Dec 08 13:58:53 <X-Fade> But sb2 and sdk+ are planned.
Dec 08 13:59:07 <RST38h> lcuk: it appears to do so
Dec 08 13:59:12 <RST38h> libmesa is there
Dec 08 13:59:21 <lcuk> ooooh i bet it will be bob for me in vmware ;)
Dec 08 13:59:52 * lcuk will have to purchase a new machine or rethink everything, shall see later
Dec 08 14:00:12 <RST38h> I guess you mean N900 by "new machine"?
Dec 08 14:00:38 <lcuk> if thats whats needed - i need a dev-env which isnt brainf*cked
Dec 08 14:01:11 <lcuk> scratchbox within linux vmware within windows is bad personally for me so ill have to find a better solution
Dec 08 14:01:31 <RST38h> lcuk: I made a partition and placed Ubuntu there
Dec 08 14:02:31 <RST38h> X-Fade: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo/ is missing. Any quick way to fix it?
Dec 08 14:03:34 <lcuk> RST38h, ill have to have a rejig anyway, now might be the time ill look when im not at work
Dec 08 14:12:12 <X-Fade> RST38h: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo/
Dec 08 14:12:40 <X-Fade> Somehow it is 4-0-x now, I'll notify the documentation guys.
Dec 08 14:14:13 <RST38h> X-Fade: thanks!
Dec 08 14:14:23 <RST38h> they probably added one for diablo as 4-1-x
Dec 08 14:15:01 <X-Fade> RST38h: Maybe they are working on it, but now it isn't there at least.
Dec 08 14:15:08 <X-Fade> RST38h: I'll ping them.
Dec 08 14:16:52 <vs93taras> Are there any other IT related channels?
Dec 08 14:17:14 <RST38h> Yes/
Dec 08 14:22:50 <X-Fade> RST38h: Can you chime in on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3803 ?
Dec 08 14:31:38 <RST38h> a moment
Dec 08 14:32:09 <RST38h> X-Fade: I spent some time redesigning the docs page a while ago
Dec 08 14:32:31 <RST38h> Sadly, my design went nowhere but you are free to use it if you want
Dec 08 14:35:22 <X-Fade> RST38h: I think we can use that with the redesign effort that is going on.
Dec 08 14:35:32 <X-Fade> RST38h: dneary is coordinating that.
Dec 08 14:36:36 <RST38h> I commented on the bug
Dec 08 14:36:55 <Stskeeps> regarding sb1 vs sb2, they're going for sb2, dropping sb1 eventually
Dec 08 14:37:01 <Stskeeps> it's the future, so
Dec 08 14:37:26 <RST38h> X-Fade: Check Documentation part at http://fms.komkon.org/MaemoMain.html
Dec 08 14:38:12 <RST38h> X-Fade: I suggest having a page like this for each major release, starting with 4.1/4.0 and doing older ones as time and resources allow
Dec 08 14:42:43 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: we should probably sit down at some point and work out how to get Mer off its feet with community and such :P
Dec 08 14:43:08 <GAN800> Sounds like a plan.
Dec 08 14:44:35 <Stskeeps> why does maemo.org news when trying to access the actual news, redirect to maemo.org?
Dec 08 14:45:13 <bergie> Stskeeps: some news items have invalid URLs, I'd imagine
Dec 08 14:45:18 <bergie> can you give me an example?
Dec 08 14:45:21 <Stskeeps> bergie: this one is the SDK one..
Dec 08 14:45:32 <Stskeeps> First Maemo 5 SDK release targeting platform developers
Dec 08 14:45:42 <bergie> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/first_maemo_5_sdk_release_targeting_platform_developers/ works for me
Dec 08 14:45:52 <Stskeeps> in my firefox the link points to maemo.org
Dec 08 14:46:05 <Stskeeps> and i'm talking about http://maemo.org where it happens
Dec 08 14:46:32 <Stskeeps> under "news"
Dec 08 14:46:36 <Stskeeps> not announcements :P
Dec 08 14:46:39 <bergie> ah yes, I can see that
Dec 08 14:46:53 <bergie> interesting is that in the sidebar the link is correct
Dec 08 14:47:21 <bergie> I guess the issue is with local items, because that social news thing was intended to deal with remotely-fetched items ;-)
Dec 08 14:47:58 <Stskeeps> GAN800: saw http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle has been updated?
Dec 08 14:48:24 <Stskeeps> with quite a lot of info
Dec 08 14:48:37 <Stskeeps> hah. "OHM introduced as a replacement for dsme and mce components which are responsible for device state and mode control. "
Dec 08 14:48:40 <Stskeeps> i knew it
Dec 08 14:50:57 <Stskeeps> eh. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928
Dec 08 14:52:20 <RST38h> Sts: priceless
Dec 08 14:54:16 <RST38h> Sts: I especially liked the "WONTFIX for Diablo" part
Dec 08 14:54:27 <Stskeeps> yes.. my "eh" was supposed to be a "wtf"
Dec 08 14:54:50 <x29a> is this a security feature?
Dec 08 14:55:05 <RST38h> Sts: Well, it seems to send WiFi SPI driver into frenzy, judging from comments
Dec 08 14:55:18 <RST38h> Sts: Pretty low level stuff
Dec 08 14:55:27 <Stskeeps> true
Dec 08 14:55:39 <Stskeeps> may be solvable with stlc45xx.
Dec 08 14:56:10 * Stskeeps grabs libhildon
Dec 08 14:58:30 <RST38h> BusinessWeek is running a story asserting that the 'US is Losing the Global Cyberwar.' <eek>
Dec 08 15:01:03 <suihkulokki> RST38h: who's winning this time? chinese, soviets, arabs or just generic terrorists?
Dec 08 15:01:48 <RST38h> suihkulokki: Most experts claim it to be russians, but osama is still pretty much in fashion these days
Dec 08 15:02:07 <RST38h> Ah, the Evil Chinese too!
Dec 08 15:03:59 <Knowledge> Any of you cats and kittens in here know what VDR is? and if so, have you streamed from vdr to a tablet?....if so......how?
Dec 08 15:04:33 <RST38h> UPNP.
Dec 08 15:07:11 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: is it possible to get a kernel event when the device is connected to anything by USB?
Dec 08 15:07:22 <Stskeeps> so we can pop up a menu asking if it should be USB networking, USB storage, etc?
Dec 08 15:07:44 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, no idea, let me check
Dec 08 15:08:03 <Stskeeps> it could be kickass to have.
Dec 08 15:08:12 <Stskeeps> kinda like on the n95
Dec 08 15:08:22 <qwerty12> yeah, that's what came to my mind ;)
Dec 08 15:09:08 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, straight away on system bus: http://pastebin.com/d5f2e835d
Dec 08 15:09:28 <Stskeeps> interesting
Dec 08 15:09:37 <Stskeeps> we so have to make that.
Dec 08 15:09:38 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 15:09:48 <qwerty12> shouldn't be hard to make a udev rule, i'll mess around
Dec 08 15:11:35 * Stskeeps sends libhildon to the presses
Dec 08 15:12:34 <wiza> will fremantle work on n810?
Dec 08 15:12:50 <Stskeeps> wiza: they are not going to officially support it, atleast
Dec 08 15:13:00 <Stskeeps> but there will probably be backports
Dec 08 15:13:11 <Stskeeps> or community distribution of the maemo platform (mer)
Dec 08 15:13:40 <wiza> k
Dec 08 15:13:45 <wiza> hopefully
Dec 08 15:14:16 <Stskeeps> if you'd like to see it happen, join in the effort :P
Dec 08 15:15:13 <wiza> when I have time I'll might, my non-PHP skills are little rusty
Dec 08 15:16:03 <Stskeeps> GAN800: "multimedia@maemo.org" too bw
Dec 08 15:16:04 <Stskeeps> btw
Dec 08 15:22:17 <pupnik> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_be_a_giant_dick,_so_we_can_ban_you
Dec 08 15:22:47 <qwerty12> lol
Dec 08 15:23:11 <Stskeeps> lo meiz
Dec 08 15:23:17 <Meiz_n810> Hi
Dec 08 15:23:33 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: when armel builder finishes up, we have a new libhildon from fremantle alpha sdk for you to play with
Dec 08 15:23:42 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 08 15:23:49 <Stskeeps> our work has just become even more import now that nokia won't target fremantle on n8x0s ..
Dec 08 15:23:52 <Stskeeps> important
Dec 08 15:24:01 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 08 15:24:02 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, what package is using that?
Dec 08 15:24:18 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: gupnp i think i saw it in, sec
Dec 08 15:24:22 <Meiz_n810> i installed tablet-hw-n8x0-support and now mer does not boot anymore :(
Dec 08 15:25:14 <Stskeeps> gupnp-av
Dec 08 15:25:15 <Meiz_n810> is stops on "starting network manager" then reboots
Dec 08 15:25:23 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: yeah.. it isn't trivial
Dec 08 15:25:40 <Stskeeps> i'll work on it a tad more once i've had my cup of coffee
Dec 08 15:25:48 <Stskeeps> and done some menial tasks for school
Dec 08 15:26:42 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 08 15:26:44 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: when wlan works, i'll use Mer all the time, exept when i'm at school
Dec 08 15:27:15 <Meiz_n810> i was able to use moblins matchbox keyboard thing
Dec 08 15:27:36 <Stskeeps> we'll have hildon import method soon enough to
Dec 08 15:27:36 <Stskeeps> o
Dec 08 15:27:39 <Meiz_n810> it can be started from statusbar and it supports many languages
Dec 08 15:27:41 <Stskeeps> input
Dec 08 15:27:41 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 15:27:43 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, let's have a little informal get together to discussion direction and organization
Dec 08 15:27:57 <GeneralAntilles> then lead up to a more formal meeting with Nokia in a month or two.
Dec 08 15:28:02 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yeah, - not today though :P
Dec 08 15:28:11 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, right. :P
Dec 08 15:28:17 <Stskeeps> need to get myself an overview of the sdk first
Dec 08 15:28:34 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, think you can jump in on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247798 at some point?
Dec 08 15:28:57 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, fuck udev but this code launches osso-xterm when usb cable is plugged in: http://slexy.org/view/s2Hu7tQJ89
Dec 08 15:29:20 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: we so have to do something with that
Dec 08 15:29:31 <Stskeeps> and when did you start coding python?
Dec 08 15:30:13 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yeah, my plan was to wait for the feelings to get a little higher in that thread and then jump in
Dec 08 15:30:16 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I learnt a bit a while back for headset-control, that's just a modified version of that. But I only learnt a little bit so it's kinda forgotten now
Dec 08 15:30:59 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i guess combined with powerlaunch we could do something nice
Dec 08 15:31:20 <qwerty12> hehe, yeah
Dec 08 15:34:39 <Meiz_n810> i'm still not able to get wifi working in android, userspace crashes when searching for networks...
Dec 08 15:35:36 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Dec 08 15:37:01 * Stskeeps ponders how well Mer will work on 770s
Dec 08 15:37:20 <GeneralAntilles> Not well
Dec 08 15:37:25 <GeneralAntilles> Maemo doesn't work well on 770s. :P
Dec 08 15:37:27 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 08 15:37:29 <GeneralAntilles> They're dog slow.
Dec 08 15:37:42 <RST38h> Better suited for maemo.org webserver, indeed
Dec 08 15:37:43 <Stskeeps> we'll see, r2d2rogers is porting ahead :)
Dec 08 15:38:32 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, sadly that joke is much less enjoyable now that maemo.org actually works.
Dec 08 15:39:34 <RST38h> it is still slow enough at times. besides, you can now tell this joke about iTT =)
Dec 08 15:39:59 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Do we have a FAQ template for the wiki already?
Dec 08 15:40:11 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, no.
Dec 08 15:40:50 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I would like to make a FAQ for extras, but would like some help with the layout ;)
Dec 08 15:41:10 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ
Dec 08 15:42:01 * GeneralAntilles can't even give advice anymore without getting flamed. <_<
Dec 08 15:42:29 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Trolls?
Dec 08 15:42:41 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247795&postcount=6
Dec 08 15:44:24 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I have seen much worse :)
Dec 08 15:44:25 <Stskeeps> can someone do apt-cache policy hildon-libs-l10n-mr for me in SDK?
Dec 08 15:44:29 <Stskeeps> (i dont have it installed atm)
Dec 08 15:44:31 <Stskeeps> fremantle SDK, that is
Dec 08 15:44:35 <RST38h> General: people really hate "out of your depth" comments
Dec 08 15:44:56 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, oh, sure, but it's tiresome to get responses like that when you're just trying to pass on some advice. ;)
Dec 08 15:45:23 <Stskeeps> interesting, python is part of SDK
Dec 08 15:45:55 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Any sign of other runtimes?
Dec 08 15:46:02 <Stskeeps> hmm.. looking
Dec 08 15:46:31 <Stskeeps> no vala sorry
Dec 08 15:48:41 <yerga> Stskeeps, there is hildon-libs-l10n-public and hildon-libs-l10n-public-mr0
Dec 08 15:48:47 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 08 15:49:03 <yerga> 6.0+r6368 and 6.0, respectively
Dec 08 15:50:50 <Stskeeps> let's see how much this new sdk breaks :P
Dec 08 15:51:50 <yerga> I am just testing the new hildon widgets
Dec 08 15:51:55 <Stskeeps> how are they?
Dec 08 15:51:58 <yerga> hildon-pannable-area looks good
Dec 08 15:52:12 * GeneralAntilles wishes Reggie hadn't made the alpha release a news item.
Dec 08 15:52:12 <Stskeeps> i'd love to see screenshots, as it'll take a while before i can start playing with them
Dec 08 15:52:24 <GeneralAntilles> itT users are exactly the audience it's not intended for.
Dec 08 15:52:25 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: i just wish he would fix the cross-poster he's using.
Dec 08 15:52:27 <yerga> Stskeeps, I am doing screenshots too
Dec 08 15:52:47 <X-Fade> yerga: blog!
Dec 08 15:53:12 <yerga> :), I will upload it to Share on Ovi then
Dec 08 15:53:28 <Stskeeps> and so it starts in .dk .. bundled asus eee and 3g subscription
Dec 08 15:53:37 <Stskeeps> for less than a dollar
Dec 08 15:53:46 <Stskeeps> (subscription costs something obviously)
Dec 08 15:53:46 <RST38h> yerga: any really interestnig screenshots btw?
Dec 08 15:53:58 <RST38h> i.e. not just the empty screen but some new features? =)
Dec 08 15:54:27 <RST38h> Sts: Lots of unsold EEEs and ASUS has to roll out new models for Christmas?
Dec 08 15:54:51 <pupnik> acer one's keyboard is a bit better
Dec 08 15:54:53 <Stskeeps> possibly
Dec 08 15:55:27 <Stskeeps> wtf reggie. "A new revamped UI and a new media application framework dubbed "Ohm" "
Dec 08 15:55:27 <yerga> RST38h, the screenshots tell little, it's better play with it
Dec 08 15:55:35 <Stskeeps> that is -not- a media application framework
Dec 08 15:56:14 <||cw> Stskeeps: the 900?
Dec 08 15:56:59 <Stskeeps> huh :P
Dec 08 15:57:38 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, do you want to correct him or should I? :P
Dec 08 15:57:42 <Stskeeps> i did
Dec 08 15:57:51 <Stskeeps> that was just way too offensive for my tastes
Dec 08 15:57:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 15:57:52 <RST38h> "Entire class fails computing exam by submitting in Word format"
Dec 08 15:57:58 * RST38h shakes in satanic laughter
Dec 08 15:57:59 <Stskeeps> hah
Dec 08 15:58:26 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, [url=http://ohm.freedesktop.org/wiki/]Open Hardware Manage[/url] :P
Dec 08 15:59:01 <Stskeeps> RST38h: we had an algorithmics class.. the TA told us we could hand in, in any language.. so we took in everything ranging from COMAL to PSX basic..
Dec 08 15:59:26 <Stskeeps> everyone was accepted, except for the guy who handed in in playstation basic, the TA thought that was pure shit language :P
Dec 08 15:59:36 <Stskeeps> (.. that guy ended up as a phd student) :P
Dec 08 16:00:04 <b1ackd3ath> any one get the new extended batt for the n810 and do you like it
Dec 08 16:00:36 <RST38h> Sts: If I were your TA, I would just remember that. And wait, WAIT for a good opportunity to fail you all ho ho Ho HO HO
Dec 08 16:03:18 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, is it worth breaking up the "Implement new maemo.org look" task into several smaller tasks?
Dec 08 16:03:37 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, I committed just the big one because I wasn't certain of all the smaller pieces. ;)
Dec 08 16:03:56 <timeless> hello world
Dec 08 16:04:02 <timeless> what's the official name for the latest sdk? :)
Dec 08 16:04:42 <Stskeeps> fremantle alpha sdk? :P
Dec 08 16:04:43 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, pre-alpha
Dec 08 16:04:46 <Stskeeps> oh
Dec 08 16:04:48 <Stskeeps> pre-alpha
Dec 08 16:05:00 <GeneralAntilles> I think the alpha may still be coming in December.
Dec 08 16:05:20 <Stskeeps> yeah, i'm waiting for OHM, and the release of legacy dsm :P
Dec 08 16:05:35 <GeneralAntilles> How long overdue is that DSME code now? :\
Dec 08 16:05:36 <Stskeeps> (they announced ohm atleast)
Dec 08 16:05:37 <Stskeeps> quite
Dec 08 16:06:01 <GeneralAntilles> The Summit was in September
Dec 08 16:06:13 <GeneralAntilles> It was supposed to be available that Monday
Dec 08 16:06:17 <GeneralAntilles> then 2 weeks after the Summit
Dec 08 16:06:20 <GeneralAntilles> now we may never see it.
Dec 08 16:06:30 <Stskeeps> i think they realised what it actually contained
Dec 08 16:06:30 <timeless> not the pre alpha one
Dec 08 16:06:34 <timeless> and i want the official name
Dec 08 16:06:48 <timeless> the one for the product i could actually buy :)
Dec 08 16:06:58 <Stskeeps> maemo 5.0? :P
Dec 08 16:07:07 <timeless> i can't buy that :)
Dec 08 16:07:12 <timeless> and i mean the sdk :)
Dec 08 16:07:18 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_prealpha_main/
Dec 08 16:07:19 <timeless> this question isn't meant ot be that confusing
Dec 08 16:07:34 <GeneralAntilles> Are you indexing the code now? :P
Dec 08 16:07:38 <timeless> (it is a hard question once you start getting to the right product, but... you're not even in the right year!)
Dec 08 16:07:55 <timeless> i'm reviewing an update to the sdk docs
Dec 08 16:07:55 <timeless> and the sdk can't figure out what to call it
Dec 08 16:07:57 <timeless> (itself rather)
Dec 08 16:08:21 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand
Dec 08 16:08:25 <GeneralAntilles> According to that
Dec 08 16:08:29 <GeneralAntilles> the SDK is "Maemo SDK"
Dec 08 16:08:31 <timeless> which means i figured i'd ask people who might actually use it
Dec 08 16:08:31 <timeless> to see if they knew what it was called :)
Dec 08 16:08:39 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, looks like initfs will indeed be done (as said many times before). Have you seen osso core config? ttyusb now runs cal-tool from the rootfs rather than chrooting to /mnt/initfs like in diablo
Dec 08 16:08:40 <GeneralAntilles> So a specific release of the "Maemo SDK" would be the "Maemo 5 SDK"
Dec 08 16:08:44 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: how did you make the wifi work in deblet? Installing tablet-hw-n8x0-support just makes Mer unable to boot..
Dec 08 16:08:45 <qwerty12> s/done/gone
Dec 08 16:08:54 <timeless> alright
Dec 08 16:09:05 <timeless> i'd still rather you talked about 4 and not 5 :)
Dec 08 16:09:13 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: no i did not yet
Dec 08 16:09:13 <timeless> vaporware doesn't interest me
Dec 08 16:09:18 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, well, it's certainly not the Maemo 4 SDK
Dec 08 16:09:24 <GeneralAntilles> As that was released a year ago.
Dec 08 16:09:38 <timeless> we're releasing an update to the doc for that
Dec 08 16:09:43 <timeless> since i'm reviewing it now
Dec 08 16:09:44 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: and noone says we can't have "boot to seperate partition" though :P
Dec 08 16:10:14 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, hehe, I wonder how that will be managed... maybe we get to choose kernel command line on the fly  :P
Dec 08 16:10:28 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: sorry, i'll have to get back to you on that, i'm way too information overloaded right now
Dec 08 16:10:40 <Stskeeps> and way too little energy to deal with all of it :)
Dec 08 16:10:52 <Stskeeps> i'll add it to my queue of things to do
Dec 08 16:11:00 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: :P
Dec 08 16:14:37 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: You did see this one right? https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/Task:Implement_new_maemo.org_layout_and_style
Dec 08 16:15:01 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, yes, which is what reminded me to ask about that. ;)
Dec 08 16:15:23 * timeless kiicks svn
Dec 08 16:15:41 <X-Fade> I still need to find out what Reggie needs to have done for talk.
Dec 08 16:15:49 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, I'm just thinking it'd be easier to have 5 or 6 tasks and 4 of them end up completed by January than 1 task that ends up most of the way done but gets carried over. ;)
Dec 08 16:16:04 <X-Fade> Yes, true.
Dec 08 16:16:11 <GeneralAntilles> But, it's up to you.
Dec 08 16:16:14 <X-Fade> Separate tasks is better.
Dec 08 16:17:46 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: how well does scrum work for you people in maemo.org?
Dec 08 16:18:10 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, I don't have enough background to make a judgement call on that one.
Dec 08 16:18:19 <GeneralAntilles> I'd say it works pretty well
Dec 08 16:18:26 * timeless sighs
Dec 08 16:18:27 <GeneralAntilles> but falls apart a bit when people fail to follow procedure
Dec 08 16:18:29 * timeless kicks something
Dec 08 16:18:31 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Dec 08 16:18:36 <GeneralAntilles> underreporting is a big issue
Dec 08 16:18:55 <GeneralAntilles> particularly with people not directly involved with maemo.org
Dec 08 16:19:04 <GeneralAntilles> Nemien folks and Nokians, etc.
Dec 08 16:19:36 <Stskeeps> microblogging could be a solution maybe to that
Dec 08 16:19:43 <Khertan3> Hello !
Dec 08 16:19:44 <Stskeeps> easier than logging into a wiki and editing
Dec 08 16:20:01 <GeneralAntilles> I'd rather they spend an extra 2 minutes and have it all in one place.
Dec 08 16:20:16 * GeneralAntilles bails from the SDK thread for the time being.
Dec 08 16:20:33 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: one thing to prod nokia about, pushing SDK updates into stage svn
Dec 08 16:20:49 <Stskeeps> the versions are damned out of sync atm
Dec 08 16:21:11 <Stskeeps> stage svn/git/whatever :P
Dec 08 16:21:22 <GeneralAntilles> I'm quite certain sjgadsby's ploy with breaking up the bug jar is pure karma whoring. :P
Dec 08 16:21:33 <Khertan3> hum .... i think we will hear many whining this next week ....
Dec 08 16:21:46 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan3, they love to whine.
Dec 08 16:21:55 <Khertan3> like me
Dec 08 16:21:56 <Khertan3> !=
Dec 08 16:21:57 <Khertan3> :)
Dec 08 16:22:32 <Knowledge> ahoy hoy people...I forgot I had asked a question in here haha
Dec 08 16:22:50 <Stskeeps> Khertan3: hehe, saw meiz's mer screenshots? http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer , - it isn't that horridly difficult to get a hildon desktop going :)
Dec 08 16:23:20 <Stskeeps> so people shouldn't whine too loudly
Dec 08 16:23:24 <Khertan3> nope i look
Dec 08 16:23:33 <Stskeeps> Khertan3: you did the home* python applets?
Dec 08 16:24:10 <Knowledge> General: I never noticed how slow the 770 is until you mentioned it yesterday....
Dec 08 16:24:39 <Khertan3> Stskeeps: yep ? why ?
Dec 08 16:24:49 <Stskeeps> Khertan3: we'll probably include those in Mer :)
Dec 08 16:24:55 <Khertan3> héhé ...
Dec 08 16:25:00 <Stskeeps> as they're open source and working nicely
Dec 08 16:25:06 <Khertan3> if you have idea for other
Dec 08 16:25:10 <Khertan3> i can do it too :)
Dec 08 16:25:15 <Stskeeps> we'll have plenty coming up
Dec 08 16:25:23 <Khertan3> stskeeps > do you have see hometools ?
Dec 08 16:25:24 <Khertan3> :)
Dec 08 16:25:33 <Stskeeps> yeah, think i saw a screenshot
Dec 08 16:25:53 <Khertan3> http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot01_m.jpg
Dec 08 16:25:59 <Khertan3> oups ... not this one
Dec 08 16:26:00 <Stskeeps> you do status bar applets too btw?
Dec 08 16:26:06 <Khertan3> http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot00_m.jpg
Dec 08 16:26:16 <Stskeeps> hehe, looks cool
Dec 08 16:26:25 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: My guess is that a lot of things from stage will move to git.
Dec 08 16:26:31 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 08 16:26:38 <Khertan3> Stskeeps> nope i ven't done one yet ... but status bar should not be very difficult to do too
Dec 08 16:26:39 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Ferenc is setting that up now.
Dec 08 16:26:45 <Stskeeps> lookin' forward to it
Dec 08 16:27:05 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: And my guess is that you will see more active development there.
Dec 08 16:28:42 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: I deleted start-x things from rc.local, and started hildon-desktop as user, matchbox-w-m did not start...
Dec 08 16:30:12 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: yeah, it probably needs a bit of tinkering to work
Dec 08 16:30:23 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 08 16:31:28 <Stskeeps> bbl
Dec 08 16:31:41 <Meiz_n810> why is solca living in the other side of the earth?
Dec 08 16:31:53 <Meiz_n810> :P
Dec 08 16:34:07 <timeless> gah, eds is annoying
Dec 08 16:34:21 * timeless wonders how many tagged versions of eds are in svn
Dec 08 16:36:47 <Khertan3> eds ? the none Evolution sort of Data but not a Server ?
Dec 08 16:37:02 <disco_stu> Khertan2, you should not make the refreshing thhing noticeable
Dec 08 16:38:33 <Khertan3> disco_stu ... hum... maybe
Dec 08 16:39:09 * lcuk runs in sticks a "kick me" sign on Khertan3 and runs away again :P
Dec 08 16:39:28 <Khertan3> lol
Dec 08 16:39:33 <Khertan3> hi lcuk
Dec 08 16:39:40 <disco_stu> ill probably hack it , to avoid that
Dec 08 16:39:52 <Khertan3> héhé ... not so hard
Dec 08 16:39:55 <lcuk> hiya, i really cant stop hope everything is going well with your rebuild
Dec 08 16:40:06 <lcuk> cya later
Dec 08 16:40:43 <Khertan3> remove the set_label() in the def foreground before the call to the get_text
Dec 08 16:41:08 <Khertan3> lcuk > this is going well ... but a bit slow
Dec 08 16:41:25 <X-Fade> Props to bahram1 for noticing that he could edit his own karma score and making it 6000 ;)
Dec 08 16:41:37 * lcuk knows that feeling.
Dec 08 16:41:47 <lcuk> oooh X-Fade can we all do it
Dec 08 16:41:55 <X-Fade> lcuk: You could..
Dec 08 16:42:00 <X-Fade> But not anymore ;)
Dec 08 16:42:00 <lcuk> could i edit yours?
Dec 08 16:42:10 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan3, if only your clones were real.
Dec 08 16:42:25 <X-Fade> No, you could only edit your own score. Although it got reset each night.
Dec 08 16:42:27 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice to put your stuff together as an on-device development suite.
Dec 08 16:43:01 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, who are we gonna con into building an autotester
Dec 08 16:43:07 <lcuk> khertan doesnt need clones, he current uses 6 tablets at a time (i wont tell you how he manages it, but make sure you dont pick up his tablets)
Dec 08 16:43:10 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder if Nokia's got anything internally. . . .
Dec 08 16:44:10 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: It really depends on what we want to test.
Dec 08 16:44:38 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, well, there's that.
Dec 08 16:45:03 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe if we kindnap some users and make them test incoming software Clockwork Orange-style. . . .
Dec 08 16:45:06 <Khertan3> GeneralAntilles > héhé ... yep my clone leak a good ia
Dec 08 16:46:06 <gnuton> sera
Dec 08 16:46:13 <Khertan3> ia == ai
Dec 08 16:47:06 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, s/kidnap/hire/ and I'm all for it
Dec 08 16:47:09 <AStorm> :>
Dec 08 16:47:16 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, pfft
Dec 08 16:47:20 <GeneralAntilles> We don't have the cash for that.
Dec 08 16:47:29 <AStorm> pity :(
Dec 08 16:47:34 <GeneralAntilles> It's slave labor or nothing. :P
Dec 08 16:47:51 <GeneralAntilles> That said, we should set up an infrastructure for volunteer testing.
Dec 08 16:54:54 <RST38h> General: and incentives too
Dec 08 16:54:58 <RST38h> or nobody will test
Dec 08 16:55:10 <GAN800> RST38h, karma
Dec 08 16:55:51 <yerga> The promised screenshots: http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets
Dec 08 16:56:50 <Khertan3> ? ...
Dec 08 16:56:52 <Khertan3> really ?
Dec 08 16:56:59 <Khertan3> i was disapointed !
Dec 08 16:57:06 <Khertan3> i'm disapointed !
Dec 08 16:57:10 <Stskeeps> Khertan3: unthemed
Dec 08 16:57:18 <Khertan3> specially by this one : http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11969
Dec 08 16:57:22 <yerga> Khertan3, they are simple examples
Dec 08 16:57:47 <yerga> I think there some widgets not updated yet.
Dec 08 16:57:49 <Stskeeps> oh, finger vs stylus, neat
Dec 08 16:58:03 <Stskeeps> yerga: is it intentional all the dialogs are in the bottom?
Dec 08 16:58:20 <yerga> Stskeeps, they are put there automatically
Dec 08 16:58:25 <yerga> but you can move it
Dec 08 16:58:28 <Stskeeps> interesting
Dec 08 16:58:46 <Khertan3> http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11968
Dec 08 16:59:10 <yerga> This is nice: http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11978
Dec 08 16:59:11 <Stskeeps> yerga: thanks, will be interesting to try on mer
Dec 08 16:59:15 <yerga> with multiple selections
Dec 08 17:00:03 <derf> Being able to move dialogs is already a big improvement.
Dec 08 17:00:06 <Khertan3> yerga: does there is inline editing with : http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11978
Dec 08 17:00:07 <Khertan3> ?
Dec 08 17:00:13 <Khertan3> derf: or not
Dec 08 17:00:55 <yerga> Khertan3, no it's static not editable
Dec 08 17:01:06 <qwerty12> derf, It can be already be done now (albeit being a hack)
Dec 08 17:01:24 <Khertan3> yerga > snifff
Dec 08 17:01:51 <Stskeeps> remember this is -pre alpha- sdk :P
Dec 08 17:02:11 * Khertan3 start thinking that all this kinetic things will be mainly done the next device with a better touch feeling
Dec 08 17:02:24 <yerga> Khertan3, but there is other pannable are with a treeview
Dec 08 17:02:32 <yerga> it could be editable
Dec 08 17:02:34 <derf> qwerty12: Or I could just rewrite all the code myself, but I have better things to do with my time.
Dec 08 17:03:06 <Khertan3> yerga > i already do it with treeview :) this is why i ask as it seems to be a easier widget to use
Dec 08 17:03:34 <yerga> Khertan3, yeah it looks better than the treeview
Dec 08 17:03:59 <yerga> this has a treeview: http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11980
Dec 08 17:04:06 <yerga> with gestures ;)
Dec 08 17:04:20 <Khertan3> but to be honest, i can t have much feeling about this widget without reading the api :)
Dec 08 17:04:30 <Khertan3> and a theming :)
Dec 08 17:05:12 <Khertan3> http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.screenshot54_m.jpg <- this is a treeview
Dec 08 17:05:31 <Khertan3> an other one -> : http://khertan.net/public/Screenshots/.mcalendar1_m.jpg
Dec 08 17:06:04 <yerga> Khertan3, looks nice the new UI
Dec 08 17:06:55 <Khertan3> this is not the new one :)
Dec 08 17:07:12 <Khertan3> i thinking of more things for the new one
Dec 08 17:07:34 <Khertan3> like a real week view
Dec 08 17:07:41 <Khertan3> and month display
Dec 08 17:07:58 <Khertan3> moving tool bar on the left, right or bottom
Dec 08 17:08:12 <Khertan3> a question about Maemo5
Dec 08 17:08:45 <Khertan3> if it ll use omap3 ... this means that application should be specifically compiled for omap3 and omap2 to be compatible right ?
Dec 08 17:09:13 <Khertan3> so we will need separate repository for omap3 and omap2 based device right ?
Dec 08 17:09:46 <disco_stu> dont think so
Dec 08 17:09:58 <disco_stu> both are arm
Dec 08 17:10:21 <disco_stu> architecture is what matters
Dec 08 17:10:24 <Khertan3> but doesn't support the same instructions if i understand well
Dec 08 17:10:52 <qwerty12> I don't think so, you only use processor specific instructions if you specify them iirc
Dec 08 17:11:22 <Khertan3> yep
Dec 08 17:13:09 <Khertan3> ok the two have the same arch ... arm11
Dec 08 17:13:29 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: i'm breaking Mer repo right now
Dec 08 17:13:42 <disco_stu> day one booting from sd and everything normal
Dec 08 17:14:10 <Khertan3> Mer repo ?
Dec 08 17:14:36 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: phew, imager just finished downloading :P
Dec 08 17:14:40 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 08 17:14:48 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: i can't promise it will work :P
Dec 08 17:15:01 <Meizirkki> Repo Imager or what?
Dec 08 17:15:11 <Stskeeps> as in, the setup you just got
Dec 08 17:15:20 <Meizirkki> What do you mean?
Dec 08 17:15:37 <Stskeeps> if you just finished dling i don't know if you got new libhildon or not :)
Dec 08 17:16:05 <Meizirkki> new one will break something?
Dec 08 17:16:56 <Stskeeps> yup
Dec 08 17:17:00 <Stskeeps> so we'll see
Dec 08 17:18:15 * Stskeeps is waiting for some chinese rolls to cook, as he's kinda out of balance wrt food today :P
Dec 08 17:25:53 <qwerty12> Meizirkki, hey, your Mer screenies aren't showing :/
Dec 08 17:25:59 <Meizirkki> ?
Dec 08 17:26:05 <Meizirkki> at itT
Dec 08 17:26:06 <Meizirkki> ?
Dec 08 17:26:10 <qwerty12> yep
Dec 08 17:26:18 <Meizirkki> arrgh
Dec 08 17:26:26 <Meizirkki> worked for me
Dec 08 17:28:09 <Stskeeps> picasaweb works a bit oddly
Dec 08 17:28:32 * Stskeeps groans at fremantle sdk
Dec 08 17:29:23 <Meizirkki> picasaweb has shitty copy-control :(
Dec 08 17:31:15 <sp3000> well that's odd
Dec 08 17:31:35 <sp3000> clicking on the most recent news item heading on maemo.org goes to ... maemo.org
Dec 08 17:31:47 <Stskeeps> sp3000: hinted that to bergie earlier
Dec 08 17:31:51 <disco_stu> i hate the stupid microb stealing focus ffrom other appz
Dec 08 17:32:13 <sp3000> oh, the read more link does too, heh
Dec 08 17:34:49 <Stskeeps> okay, someone seriously needs to explain to me the sense of the -mr, -public, etc packages.
Dec 08 17:35:02 <Stskeeps> and how the heck they layed out
Dec 08 17:41:53 * Stskeeps ponders if he should simply start all over since they didn't bother to keep svn updated anyway
Dec 08 17:47:29 <sp3000> Stskeeps: meh, I'll file a bug
Dec 08 17:48:13 * sp3000 can't map Stskeeps to an email address, so nyah, no cc
Dec 08 17:48:50 <Stskeeps> er, what bug? :P
Dec 08 17:49:47 <lardman> evening
Dec 08 17:49:52 <Stskeeps> evening
Dec 08 17:49:59 <lardman> where's my Fremantle n810 image then? ;)
Dec 08 17:50:18 * Stskeeps hands lardman a bunch of l10n packages to play with.
Dec 08 17:50:21 <qwerty12> We had a fight over who was getting it and it went into the fire :/
Dec 08 17:50:28 <sp3000> oh, yes I can
Dec 08 17:50:29 <lardman> damn! :)
Dec 08 17:50:39 * sp3000 was using a bogus profile url
Dec 08 17:50:46 <sp3000> Stskeeps: just the bad linkage
Dec 08 17:50:52 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 08 17:53:02 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: should I hold off on trying a build then?
Dec 08 17:53:32 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: yeah, just right now
Dec 08 17:53:39 <r2d2rogers> k
Dec 08 17:53:49 <Stskeeps> there were more changes than i expected
Dec 08 17:53:56 <r2d2rogers> one less excuse to put off work ;0
Dec 08 17:56:40 <Stskeeps> feel free to check if you strip all the hildon packages and such from mer-foundation to see if you can get ubuntu going, always a good exersise
Dec 08 17:57:08 <r2d2rogers> cool
Dec 08 18:07:24 <Stskeeps> https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-translations
Dec 08 18:07:26 <lardman> anyone checked to see if the Fremantle binaries are compiled for Cortex?
Dec 08 18:07:40 <Stskeeps> not yet
Dec 08 18:07:44 <Stskeeps> i'm busy unbreaking mer :P
Dec 08 18:14:10 <lcuk> lardman, have you got 5.0 up and running yet
Dec 08 18:18:13 <lardman> lcuk: no, been out all day
Dec 08 18:18:17 <lcuk> ditto
Dec 08 18:18:21 <lardman> lcuk: would like to do so asap though
Dec 08 18:18:44 <lardman> I need to look at Mer and how to build images the Debian way
Dec 08 18:18:48 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: can you get mer repo up soon?
Dec 08 18:18:52 <lcuk> yeah im gonna see how it sits inside the vmware thingy and if its not comfortable ill drag out the craptop
Dec 08 18:19:14 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: it will take a while.. why?
Dec 08 18:19:30 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: i do have a zfs snapshot of the old repo though
Dec 08 18:19:36 <Stskeeps> what do you need from it?
Dec 08 18:19:42 <Meizirkki> I wanna install h-i-m etc. :P
Dec 08 18:19:46 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 08 18:19:49 <Stskeeps> sec
Dec 08 18:19:56 <Meizirkki> no
Dec 08 18:20:04 <Meizirkki> you don't need to give me it
Dec 08 18:20:16 <Stskeeps> ok
Dec 08 18:20:17 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 18:20:20 <Meizirkki> i can live without :P
Dec 08 18:20:21 <Stskeeps> it is running, the repo
Dec 08 18:20:23 <Stskeeps> just fyi
Dec 08 18:20:25 <Meizirkki> ok
Dec 08 18:20:30 <Stskeeps> it is just not that installable from scratch
Dec 08 18:20:52 <Meizirkki> why?
Dec 08 18:20:59 <Stskeeps> cos all the l10n packages are wacked to hell
Dec 08 18:20:59 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 18:21:03 <Meizirkki> k
Dec 08 18:21:11 <lardman> solca: ping
Dec 08 18:26:58 * Jaffa signs off - since he's been ill for the last 5 days and it doesn't look like I'll be doing computer time for a while
Dec 08 18:27:18 <qwerty12> :/
Dec 08 18:27:24 <lardman> get well soon!
Dec 08 18:27:28 <Jaffa> ta
Dec 08 18:27:32 <Stskeeps> indeed, get well soon dude
Dec 08 18:33:25 <lardman> Stskeeps: where are the debootstrap files you guys use?
Dec 08 18:34:56 <Stskeeps> lardman: well since im pushing in fremantle sdk stuff atm, you can't bootstrap :P but, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/imager/files
Dec 08 18:35:07 <Stskeeps> i have a tar.gz but cant find the url just right now
Dec 08 18:35:38 <lardman> np
Dec 08 18:35:48 <Stskeeps> it
Dec 08 18:35:56 <Stskeeps> 's generally meant to be possible to target all sorts of diff configurations
Dec 08 18:36:00 <lardman> you're sticking in the Fremantle stuff which is what I wanted to do
Dec 08 18:36:27 <Stskeeps> well right now an upgraded libhildon is nice
Dec 08 18:36:27 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 18:36:34 <Meizirkki> tar.gz it somewhere around bsd.tspre.org
Dec 08 18:36:48 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: it works now?
Dec 08 18:36:53 <Stskeeps> not yet.. :P
Dec 08 18:36:55 <Stskeeps> be patient
Dec 08 18:40:10 * qwerty12 haxors osso-statusbar-cpu to bring back the old background picture
Dec 08 18:42:17 <Meizirkki> This libhildon i have, must be installed with --force-overwite
Dec 08 18:42:40 <Meizirkki> *write
Dec 08 18:42:42 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 08 18:42:56 <Meizirkki> is this the new one?
Dec 08 18:43:01 <Stskeeps> no clue
Dec 08 18:43:05 <Stskeeps> version?
Dec 08 18:43:09 <Meizirkki> oh
Dec 08 18:43:14 <Meizirkki> it's not
Dec 08 18:43:31 <Meizirkki> 2.0.1-1ubuntu7
Dec 08 18:44:03 <Meizirkki> ubuntu instead of mer so...
Dec 08 18:44:12 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 08 18:49:47 * Stskeeps yawns
Dec 08 18:50:50 <Stskeeps> interesting, libopenmax has a vorbis decoder
Dec 08 18:52:28 * lcuk throws a snowball @ Stskeeps 
Dec 08 18:53:25 <Meizirkki> lcuk: where did you get snow? :P
Dec 08 18:53:42 <lcuk> forward thinking, i put some in the freezer
Dec 08 18:54:00 <Meizirkki> :P
Dec 08 18:54:52 <lcuk> now, i have a lot i was meant to do yesterday but then also so much thats been announced today
Dec 08 19:01:28 <Knowledge> is it possible to run mplayer on 07HE?
Dec 08 19:01:33 <lcuk> try it
Dec 08 19:01:44 <Knowledge> because unless I'm retarded, it's not working (playing back files)
Dec 08 19:01:47 <lcuk> what would break if i setup a diablo machine to point at the sdk toolkit and did an update
Dec 08 19:08:39 <Stskeeps> lcuk: boom? :P
Dec 08 19:08:56 <lcuk> heh didnt think anything else
Dec 08 19:12:42 <lardman> lcuk: let us know :)
Dec 08 19:14:29 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, on the device? if in blue pill mode, nothing bad but if you are in red pill, as long as you know what you're updating, you should be fine
Dec 08 19:15:06 <lardman> I guess some initfs tweaking will be needed too
Dec 08 19:15:24 * lardman wonders what changes have been made to the omap2 code in the new kernel
Dec 08 19:15:35 <yerga> I am installing fremantle glib/gtk/hildon in Diablo ;)
Dec 08 19:15:40 <lcuk> its ok ill leave it for now, im gonna try and get scratchbox running on the craptop, but since the 3d on my current 810 is better im not sure it will be worth it
Dec 08 19:15:40 <Stskeeps> lardman: well solca has a 2.6.28 running so
Dec 08 19:15:56 <lardman> and Fremantle is 2.6.27?
Dec 08 19:16:09 <Stskeeps> 2.6.28rc6
Dec 08 19:16:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 19:16:15 <lardman> ah ok
Dec 08 19:16:20 <lcuk> i might actually just start looking at clutter.  they havent used tidy have they
Dec 08 19:17:51 <Stskeeps> i am actually surprised they ported hildon desktop from 4 to 5
Dec 08 19:17:53 <Stskeeps> that's a nice gesture
Dec 08 19:18:27 <lardman> dsme is gone
Dec 08 19:18:41 <Stskeeps> yeah, i know
Dec 08 19:18:48 <Stskeeps> OHM will replace it, and replace mce too
Dec 08 19:18:51 <Stskeeps> what i said all the time
Dec 08 19:19:11 <lardman> no ohm in the release though, yet
Dec 08 19:19:55 * lcuk does the lotus position and starts meditating
Dec 08 19:20:03 <lcuk> ohhhhhHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm
Dec 08 19:20:34 <qwerty12_N800> Sound constipated :p
Dec 08 19:20:35 <Stskeeps> lardman: it'll come they said
Dec 08 19:20:42 <lardman> yep
Dec 08 19:20:55 <lardman> just thinking in the interim, keep dsme I guess
Dec 08 19:21:04 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Dec 08 19:21:16 <lcuk> let me get this straight: the ui is built ontop of clutter, not built directly on ogl
Dec 08 19:21:26 <Stskeeps> lcuk: sec
Dec 08 19:21:39 <lardman> lcuk: gtk with clutter components, those use opengl
Dec 08 19:21:42 <lardman> something like that
Dec 08 19:21:55 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle is full now
Dec 08 19:21:55 <lardman> mm, food time :)
Dec 08 19:21:57 <lardman> bbiab
Dec 08 19:22:01 <lcuk> yes, i realise that, but what i mean is a client app does not directly touch ogl
Dec 08 19:28:17 <Stskeeps> https://code.launchpad.net/~mer-translations <- so who starts making OSS translations? :>
Dec 08 19:28:51 <Stskeeps> andre__: suggestion for statistic.. how many % of bugs were against open source components
Dec 08 19:29:06 <Stskeeps> could be useful in the future
Dec 08 19:29:07 <qwerty12_N800> i'll do east london and lcuk can do northerner
Dec 08 19:29:26 <andre__> for that i'd have to know exactly what components are not open source :-)
Dec 08 19:29:32 <andre__> but i agree, can be useful for argumentations
Dec 08 19:29:46 <Stskeeps> "dude, fix it yourself"? ;>
Dec 08 19:30:02 <andre__> hey, that's my standard answer on *any* report :-P
Dec 08 19:30:11 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, you need ar eal londoner to do the east london translation, not some cheeky young upstart from the north
Dec 08 19:30:24 <qwerty12_N800> grr :p
Dec 08 19:30:41 <timeless> why did bug jar 34 hit planet twice?
Dec 08 19:31:53 <andre__> because it's split now into platform and desktop
Dec 08 19:33:05 <lcuk> timeless, twice as many bugs?
Dec 08 19:35:48 <sp3000> mmm this talk of bugs is making me hungry
Dec 08 19:36:36 <qwerty12_N800> ~give sp3000 snails
Dec 08 19:36:37 * infobot gives snails to sp3000
Dec 08 19:38:27 <RST38h> umgh
Dec 08 19:38:55 <Stskeeps> mm?
Dec 08 19:39:13 <RST38h> m!
Dec 08 19:40:03 * Stskeeps sets hildon-desktop to compile
Dec 08 19:48:14 * Meiz_n810 tries to make wlan work in Mer (again)
Dec 08 19:51:27 <RST38h> Are there any naming conventions for desktop/statusbar plugins?
Dec 08 19:52:01 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: steps needed: cx3110x.ko (from deblet), and umac.ko from initfs, firmware 3826.arm in the firmware directory, chroot /mnt/initfs wlan-cal or something, ifconfig wlan0 up
Dec 08 19:52:05 <Stskeeps> i -think-
Dec 08 19:53:34 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: i installed cx3110x-module, cx3110x-umac-module, udev, wlan-firmware, tablet-wireless from deblet repo... should make it?
Dec 08 19:53:52 <Meiz_n810> wlan-cal is needed?
Dec 08 19:56:08 <Stskeeps> hmm.
Dec 08 19:56:20 <Stskeeps> what does dmesg say and ifconfig -a
Dec 08 19:56:35 <Meiz_n810> i'm in chroot now...
Dec 08 19:56:37 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 08 19:56:47 <Stskeeps> try simply to ifconfig wlan0 up, and /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart
Dec 08 19:56:55 <Stskeeps> in mer
Dec 08 19:57:28 <Stskeeps> there's a trick in deblet, network manager is patched towards liking cx3110x better
Dec 08 19:57:51 <Meiz_n810> what about /etc/ini.d/tablet-wireless?
Dec 08 19:58:54 <Stskeeps> do a trick.. edit /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless and remove the # in front of ifconfig wlan0 up
Dec 08 19:58:58 <Stskeeps> instead of everything i just said
Dec 08 20:00:27 <Stskeeps> if nm-applet doesnt activate it at first, /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart
Dec 08 20:01:54 <Meiz_n810> ok
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Dec 08 20:02:43 <Stskeeps> kebomix_: .. again, this is a publically logged channel, you just showed your IP.. do you really want a bunch of copyright fanatics after you?
Dec 08 20:04:17 <solca> lardman: pong
Dec 08 20:05:36 <Stskeeps> lo solca
Dec 08 20:07:02 <Stskeeps> evening qgi1
Dec 08 20:08:00 <solca> Stskeeps: :P
Dec 08 20:08:08 <lcuk> hiya qgi1, come to hand out cigars :P
Dec 08 20:08:24 <solca> he was pinging me just 1 hour ago
Dec 08 20:08:36 <solca> hopefully is not night at the other end of the world
Dec 08 20:08:47 <solca> :)
Dec 08 20:08:57 <qgi1> hi there, reading the logs...
Dec 08 20:09:00 <Meiz_n810> hi solca :)
Dec 08 20:09:05 <solca> Meiz_n810: hi!
Dec 08 20:09:29 <solca> I read your post about the gui rebooting
Dec 08 20:09:34 <Meiz_n810> Wifi almost worked, no more file not founds
Dec 08 20:09:41 <solca> have you access to your nit now?
Dec 08 20:09:54 <Meiz_n810> i am chatting from it
Dec 08 20:10:16 <solca> hmm so you don't wanna reboot?
Dec 08 20:10:21 <solca> hehe...
Dec 08 20:10:46 * Stskeeps thinks Meiz is getting a thrill from all this testing of new stuff :P
Dec 08 20:11:10 <Meiz_n810> solca: i can, but then i have to chat from my cellphone
Dec 08 20:11:17 <lardman> solca: was going to ask if you'd looked at the new kernel code
Dec 08 20:11:33 <solca> lardman: what new code?
Dec 08 20:11:36 <lardman> hi qgi1
Dec 08 20:11:44 <Stskeeps> solca: fremantle pre-alpha sdk came out today
Dec 08 20:11:47 <Stskeeps> with updated kernel code
Dec 08 20:11:52 <solca> Meiz_n810: ok just pushing you hehe but no prob
Dec 08 20:12:22 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: wlan_cal failed when booting Mer :(
Dec 08 20:12:29 <lardman> solca: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/
Dec 08 20:12:29 <solca> Stskeeps: do you know if it ships with wifi code?
Dec 08 20:12:40 <Stskeeps> solca: didn't look at it yet
Dec 08 20:12:47 <solca> Stskeeps: no :(
Dec 08 20:12:49 <Stskeeps> i've been buried in l10n for the most of the evening
Dec 08 20:12:56 <qgi1> X-Fade: you wer wondering about Modest
Dec 08 20:13:01 <Meiz_n810> solca: can you help me to get wlan working in android?
Dec 08 20:13:09 <solca> Meiz_n810: sure
Dec 08 20:13:11 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: hmm. is /mnt/initfs mounted?
Dec 08 20:13:21 <lardman> qgi1: same here
Dec 08 20:13:25 <qgi1> there are many things that appear as "Removed" in the comparison table but this is just because they are still not there in this first SDK
Dec 08 20:13:34 <qgi1> modest will be in fremantle
Dec 08 20:13:41 <solca> lardman: will take a look if they have something useful
Dec 08 20:13:48 <Meiz_n810> solca: wifi goes on but search fails.. any ideas? :P
Dec 08 20:13:50 <lardman> solca: :)
Dec 08 20:14:02 <derf> j0!
Dec 08 20:14:43 <solca> Meiz_n810: hmm probably wpa_supplicant
Dec 08 20:15:01 <solca> Meiz_n810: if you could run wpa_cli
Dec 08 20:15:08 <Meiz_n810> solca: saw pastebin from logcat?
Dec 08 20:15:11 <solca> and do a 'scan' command
Dec 08 20:15:21 <solca> followed by 'scan_results'
Dec 08 20:15:35 <solca> Meiz_n810: I'dont know why but pastebin is unaccessible from here right now
Dec 08 20:15:45 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 08 20:16:04 <solca> Meiz_n810: will try again
Dec 08 20:17:02 <solca> Meiz_n810: no, I still can't access pastebin
Dec 08 20:17:11 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 08 20:17:12 <Meiz_n810> solca: i cannot you computer anymore :( it's 22.15 here, if i flash android kernel i can't get into maemo anymore :P
Dec 08 20:17:23 <Meiz_n810> s/you/use/
Dec 08 20:17:24 <infobot> Meiz_n810 meant: solca: i cannot use computer anymore :( it's 22.15 here, if i flash android kernel i can't get into maemo anymore :P
Dec 08 20:18:41 <solca> Meiz_n810: ok no problem, will investigate what is going on and maybe you can try tommorows (for you) new userspace
Dec 08 20:18:54 <Meiz_n810> okay :P
Dec 08 20:19:19 <Meiz_n810> if you only could see the pastebin :/
Dec 08 20:19:39 <solca> Meiz_n810: can you paste the same thing to ther paste service?
Dec 08 20:19:46 <solca> s/ther/other
Dec 08 20:19:56 <Meiz_n810> hmm, i'll try
Dec 08 20:23:54 <solca> wow Maemo5 specs some impressive changes
Dec 08 20:24:19 <Stskeeps> yeah, i'm looking forward to seeing it in action
Dec 08 20:24:30 <Stskeeps> or right now, how libhildon works on n8x0 :P :P
Dec 08 20:24:34 <dMaggot> hello guys, I'm using the eclipse esbox plugin to code maemo applications, but when I try to run things it throws me the following error on dbus: process 20075: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory
Dec 08 20:24:41 <solca> will it work on N8x0?
Dec 08 20:24:47 <Stskeeps> so far it compiles..
Dec 08 20:25:02 <dMaggot> I'd pastebin the whole log but my connection is too slow right now
Dec 08 20:25:15 <solca> Stskeeps: so mer was from maemo5 from the beginnings?
Dec 08 20:25:33 <Stskeeps> solca: i've taken most of the stuff from svn, yeah
Dec 08 20:25:33 <Meiz_n810> run dbus-uuidgen --ensure and try again
Dec 08 20:25:35 <solca> dMaggot: pasting text is not bandwith intensive :P
Dec 08 20:25:44 <Stskeeps> they did stump me a bit with the huge leap in libhildon though
Dec 08 20:25:52 <Stskeeps> but i guess it was needed for marketing purposes
Dec 08 20:26:08 <Stskeeps> solca: http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets <- example widgets (not themed)
Dec 08 20:26:32 <Meiz_n810> dMaggot: run dbus-uuidgen --ensure and try again
Dec 08 20:26:47 <dMaggot> solca: I can't reach www.pastebin.com
Dec 08 20:26:48 <solca> Stskeeps: that looks pretty nice
Dec 08 20:26:59 <Stskeeps> dMaggot: rafb.net/paste
Dec 08 20:27:05 <solca> dMaggot: me too...
Dec 08 20:27:10 <qgi1> Stskeeps: we get a lot of heat about any "new UI"
Dec 08 20:27:40 <dMaggot> solca: haha sorry I thought it was my connection XD
Dec 08 20:27:48 <Stskeeps> qgi1: hehe, i mostly care for functionality, which is what the example widgets show
Dec 08 20:27:52 <Stskeeps> and those look interesting
Dec 08 20:27:58 <qgi1> even if all eyes are turned on S60 where the big numbers happen, if we would show Hildon+Clutter as they are we would probably generate 2 effects
Dec 08 20:28:11 <dMaggot> Meiz_n810: thanks, that did the job
Dec 08 20:28:31 <Meiz_n810> no prob :P
Dec 08 20:28:38 <qgi1> 1) a lot of expectation around this humble alpha, Ari Jaaksi & our developers getting more questions and noise
Dec 08 20:29:06 <qgi1> 2) comments about all the things that still don't work fine that we know (and you need the time of those devs to polish)
Dec 08 20:29:15 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Dec 08 20:29:25 <Stskeeps> not theming isn't a fault, it's an pre-alpha afterall
Dec 08 20:29:26 <qgi1> this is why it was decided to release that later, when the whole thing is more solid and convincing at first sight
Dec 08 20:29:53 <qgi1> as a side effect, and as you have noted, the Diablo UI is now ported to Fremantle
Dec 08 20:30:00 <Stskeeps> yup, much grateful
Dec 08 20:30:12 <qgi1> (you can invite mostly Kimmo Hamalainen to a beer when you find him)  :)
Dec 08 20:30:21 <Stskeeps> i'll remember that at next summit ;)
Dec 08 20:31:21 <solca> Stskeeps: and do you know what booting mechanics will the use now?
Dec 08 20:31:31 <Stskeeps> solca: so far it points to no initfs
Dec 08 20:31:41 <Stskeeps> solca: besides that we don't know much
Dec 08 20:31:57 <Stskeeps> we'll have to wait for the .. alpha sdk :)
Dec 08 20:32:05 <solca> Stskeeps: hopefully they ship with kexec enabled kernel
Dec 08 20:32:16 <Stskeeps> solca: your selector will definately be of good use on n8x0 atleast
Dec 08 20:33:14 <solca> Stskeeps: do you know if they plan to release a maemo5 backport to n8x0?
Dec 08 20:33:20 <solca> or thats why Mer exists?
Dec 08 20:33:40 <Stskeeps> solca: no, that was announced today there won't be official one, but nokia seems to be highly interested in helping out with backport efforts
Dec 08 20:33:47 <qgi1> no initfs (but don't ask me more because I simply don't know) But asking Eero Tamminen in maemo-developers should be enough to know more since there are no secret there
Dec 08 20:33:49 <Stskeeps> (there's a larger thread on it on iTT)
Dec 08 20:34:02 <Stskeeps> qgi1: yeah, think i read it in a bugreport somewhere
Dec 08 20:34:12 <qgi1> me too, but can't recall which one Stskeeps
Dec 08 20:34:19 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: wlan-cal: http://rafb.net/p/qvV2Uj73.html
Dec 08 20:34:31 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: is that inside Mer? ..
Dec 08 20:34:59 <timeless> anyone here have skype?
Dec 08 20:35:00 <Meiz_n810> thats mer in chroot, but it's exatcly same what i saw in fb-console
Dec 08 20:35:07 * timeless is looking for some vulnteer to chase a bug
Dec 08 20:35:11 <timeless> hi quim
Dec 08 20:35:13 <qgi1> Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745
Dec 08 20:35:14 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: mer in chroot definately wont work with that :P
Dec 08 20:35:18 <timeless> quim: i guess i responded too late for you
Dec 08 20:35:27 <solca> Stskeeps: how you plan to cope with clutter which seems need hw gl accel?
Dec 08 20:35:49 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: the same thing happens when i boot into it
Dec 08 20:35:53 <qgi1> timeless: since the answer was right it was not too late since I have done the change already - thanks!
Dec 08 20:36:00 <Stskeeps> solca: so far maemo sw has been wonderful and ported diablo UI to maemo 5 :)
Dec 08 20:36:04 <timeless> oh cool
Dec 08 20:36:06 <Stskeeps> so we can do without the flashy stuff right now
Dec 08 20:36:45 <Stskeeps> solca: you should give input on the bug qgil posted about kexec and your successes
Dec 08 20:36:52 <solca> Stskeeps: diablo UI to a maemo 5 env or maemo 5 gui in sw rendering mode?
Dec 08 20:37:09 <Stskeeps> solca: .. let me just phrase this correctly, sec :)
Dec 08 20:37:22 <solca> qgi1: where is the bug report?
Dec 08 20:37:31 <Stskeeps> solca: [21:34] <qgi1> Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745
Dec 08 20:37:46 <solca> thx
Dec 08 20:37:56 <Stskeeps> solca: <= diablo UI is hildon-desktop, >= fremantle is probably something else
Dec 08 20:38:03 <Stskeeps> but diablo UI works in fremantle, it seems, so
Dec 08 20:39:07 <solca> Stskeeps: ok I get it, have you tried fremantle in sw rendering mode (if possible)
Dec 08 20:39:15 <Stskeeps> solca: that part of fremantle isn't out yet, so
Dec 08 20:39:23 <Stskeeps> the new UI isn't in this pre-alpha so
Dec 08 20:39:57 <Stskeeps> can't test
Dec 08 20:40:05 <Stskeeps> i'm happy if we get a diablo on steroids, really
Dec 08 20:40:15 <Stskeeps> get/make
Dec 08 20:40:45 <qgi1> yerga had some fun with the widgets...
Dec 08 20:40:50 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: so, what's the command i should add to /etc/init.d/tablet-wireless, that it would mount initfs better
Dec 08 20:41:04 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: it really wonders me why it isn't mounted..
Dec 08 20:41:19 <qgi1> yerga was probably one of the few Maemo hackers on holiday today
Dec 08 20:41:20 * lcuk cries at using a mouse to simulate touch
Dec 08 20:41:21 <Stskeeps> look for /tmp/dsmesock or something
Dec 08 20:41:32 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: it is, because wlan-cal starts
Dec 08 20:41:38 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: that's true
Dec 08 20:41:46 <Meiz_n810> there is just nothing in /mnt/initfs/sys
Dec 08 20:42:02 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: i'll hack at it a bit when i have hildon going again
Dec 08 20:42:06 <Stskeeps> hope that's alright for now
Dec 08 20:42:13 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 08 20:42:16 <solca> Meiz_n810: /sys is a ramfs which needs to be mounted
Dec 08 20:42:32 <Stskeeps> yeah, and the script should mount it for us
Dec 08 20:42:33 <Meiz_n810> tablet-wireless mounts it
Dec 08 20:42:41 <Stskeeps> unless it's not mounted yet when tablet-wireless in run
Dec 08 20:42:42 <Meiz_n810> i'll keep trying.. :)
Dec 08 20:42:50 <Stskeeps> make sure /tmp/dsmesock exists
Dec 08 20:42:57 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 08 20:43:15 <qgi1> RST38h:  "Maemo 5 is using SB2 as the default dev environment, right?"
Dec 08 20:43:33 <qgi1> not at this point, but if we can really get it in shape......
Dec 08 20:44:07 <qgi1> a problem here is that we use the very same SB1 based SDK for internal development and change it at this point of the release is pretty risky
Dec 08 20:44:26 <qgi1> even if the SDK+ based on SB2 is in good shape
Dec 08 20:44:53 <qgi1> but I'd definitely recommend you to use it when you start getting serious in Fremantle development
Dec 08 20:45:04 <qgi1> feedback is welcome!
Dec 08 20:47:03 <lcuk> qgi1, :P you killed the chan, insert 1euro to continue. :D
Dec 08 20:48:00 <Stskeeps> qgi1: so far i'm personally satisfied with the pre-alpha :)
Dec 08 20:48:46 <ShadowJK> hm, why this hate on initfs?
Dec 08 20:48:58 <timeless> a pain for maintenance/upgrades
Dec 08 20:49:07 <timeless> and inconsistency w/ the rest of the world
Dec 08 20:49:11 <Stskeeps> but absolutely lovable when things go wrong
Dec 08 20:49:21 <ShadowJK> Stskeeps, yes, precisely
Dec 08 20:49:48 <qwerty12_N800> initfs is the shit. tbh, a lot of maemo is inconsistent...
Dec 08 20:49:53 <qgi1> Stskeeps: the first wave of feedback seems to be mostly good
Dec 08 20:50:09 <Stskeeps> either that or kernel should be able to boot through usb cable from some app  :P
Dec 08 20:50:16 <Stskeeps> or from mmc
Dec 08 20:50:21 <qgi1> looking for more comments from upstream developers, or those knowing well the upstream components
Dec 08 20:50:34 <qgi1> since this pre-alpha is partially for them also
Dec 08 20:51:52 <solca> Stskeeps: I update the bug report, kexec should be included in next Nokia kernels
Dec 08 20:52:12 <Stskeeps> solca: alright, let's see if we get any response :P
Dec 08 20:53:07 * Stskeeps waits on hildon-control-panel building
Dec 08 20:53:52 <Stskeeps> so need to get sb2 going using m-vo's thoughts..
Dec 08 20:54:01 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: did you get GMP to compile?
Dec 08 20:54:32 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: I saw this: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/mud-builder-users/2007-November/000218.html and tried downgrading to that version, but same error
Dec 08 20:54:46 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, don't think I did
Dec 08 20:54:47 <Khertan_n810> Hello !
Dec 08 20:54:49 <lcuk> yo! khertan
Dec 08 20:54:55 <lardman> hey khertan
Dec 08 20:55:38 <Stskeeps> wb meiz
Dec 08 20:55:59 <Meiz_n810> no luck :(
Dec 08 20:56:03 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, quick q, how are you gonna test and dev on device?   are we both gonna have to carry desktops on the train with us
Dec 08 20:56:04 <Stskeeps> alright
Dec 08 20:56:45 <Khertan_n810> gnié ?
Dec 08 20:57:45 <Khertan_n810> i dev on device ? why do you think we will need to carry desktop ?
Dec 08 20:58:07 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: bug #2465
Dec 08 20:58:13 <lcuk> tsk, yes you work on your device dont you? or have you moved onto your laptop now
Dec 08 20:58:28 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, will check in a min..
Dec 08 20:58:32 <Khertan_n810> nope still on n810 :)
Dec 08 20:58:52 <Khertan_n810> i don t have any laptop
Dec 08 20:59:06 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: it said something about blocks and sizes in the middle of failedmessages
Dec 08 20:59:07 <lcuk> just like me :)
Dec 08 20:59:12 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: k, so HAL
Dec 08 20:59:24 <Stskeeps> was it still dsmesock problem?
Dec 08 20:59:43 <Meiz_n810> dsmesock exists
Dec 08 21:00:29 <Meiz_n810> same problem what i pasted, but withsome block size messages
Dec 08 21:00:33 <Khertan_n810> lcuk> why this question ?
Dec 08 21:00:35 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: looks like there's a work-around anyway
Dec 08 21:00:35 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 08 21:00:50 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: will test in a mo, if this version fails...
Dec 08 21:00:53 <lcuk> cos i wanna play with new toys
Dec 08 21:02:25 <Khertan_n810> which toys ?
Dec 08 21:02:38 <qgi1> Stskeeps & GeneralAntilles , about DSME and Ohm I honestly think the only reason for delays are the deliveries they owe to the Fremantle program
Dec 08 21:02:45 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, cool, can't wait to see your qcalculate port ;P
Dec 08 21:02:50 <Khertan_n810> sony vaio ux are great
Dec 08 21:02:57 <Stskeeps> qgi1: hehe, i figured as much
Dec 08 21:02:58 <qgi1> kernel ans system software teams are working at 200% these weeks
Dec 08 21:03:03 <Stskeeps> i'm looking forward to it :)
Dec 08 21:03:26 <Khertan_n810> hi qgil
Dec 08 21:03:38 <qgi1> allo messir
Dec 08 21:03:40 <qgi1> er
Dec 08 21:03:56 <qgi1> (my rotten French)
Dec 08 21:04:31 <qgi1> GeneralAntilles "I think the alpha may still be coming in December."
Dec 08 21:04:36 <Khertan_n810> héhé
Dec 08 21:04:57 <qgi1> nah, most probably a next load will come after New Year
Dec 08 21:06:00 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: going to see if giac/xcas will work this time too
Dec 08 21:07:05 <qgi1> Soumya (she doesn't drink beer but you can invite her to any fresh juice) is the first one willing to have the alpha in place since then the process of automatic weekly releases can start: more releases and less work for her team
Dec 08 21:10:27 <konttori_> ah nice. we have published the alpha sdk. good!
Dec 08 21:10:45 <Khertan_n810> :)
Dec 08 21:11:00 <konttori_> by the way, tracker will also receive a new version in the upstream that will be synced with the maemo version
Dec 08 21:11:11 <Khertan_n810> i ll look at it tomorrow
Dec 08 21:11:11 <konttori_> it will be 0.6.9.x series
Dec 08 21:19:45 <Stskeeps> solca: with 770 you will run into not having wifi (so far)..
Dec 08 21:20:17 <solca> Stskeeps: somebody is porting stlc45xx to 770 on the mailing list
Dec 08 21:20:50 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 08 21:21:45 <solca> Stskeeps: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/stlc45xx-devel/2008-November/000058.html
Dec 08 21:22:00 <Stskeeps> yeah, i knwo
Dec 08 21:22:19 <Stskeeps> just that it isnt here here and now :)
Dec 08 21:23:36 <solca> Stskeeps: right, running android on 770 would be overkill IMO
Dec 08 21:23:54 <Stskeeps> yeah.. we'll see how well even mer runs :P
Dec 08 21:24:01 <Stskeeps> probably murders it horribly
Dec 08 21:24:05 <Stskeeps> we did kill one 770 in porting deblet
Dec 08 21:24:29 <solca> Stskeeps: define kill, brick it?
Dec 08 21:24:34 <Stskeeps> well it was indirect..
Dec 08 21:24:42 <Stskeeps> guy wired up his own usb power
Dec 08 21:24:50 <Stskeeps> and got it a bit wrong .. :)
Dec 08 21:25:01 <Stskeeps> so, kill
Dec 08 21:25:01 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 21:25:08 <solca> Stskeeps: casualties kills hehe
Dec 08 21:25:23 <Stskeeps> at least it's not hosting companies like with my previous open source project
Dec 08 21:25:40 <Stskeeps> they seemed to go bankrupt/close right after they donated us web space
Dec 08 21:26:20 <solca> hehe and what you end doing, relocating your project?
Dec 08 21:26:28 <Stskeeps> yep. and appreciating backups.
Dec 08 21:27:17 * solca is feeling an indirect...
Dec 08 21:29:08 * Stskeeps ponders how to organize the mer project
Dec 08 21:29:19 * solca is exploring the new SDK kernel
Dec 08 21:29:24 <Stskeeps> anything interesting?
Dec 08 21:29:30 <solca> not so far
Dec 08 21:29:43 <Stskeeps> nothing wifi related i presume
Dec 08 21:29:44 <Stskeeps> ?
Dec 08 21:29:51 * Meiz_n810 is re-installing Mer (Surprise!)
Dec 08 21:30:09 <qgi1> http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/08/maemo-5-os-gets-pre-alpha-release-specs-beyond-your-wildest-ima/ got the multimedia framework called "Ohm"...
Dec 08 21:30:12 <Meiz_n810> there was something fucked up in the rootf
Dec 08 21:30:14 <Meiz_n810> s
Dec 08 21:30:20 <Stskeeps> qgi1: yeah.. i pointed that out to Reggie
Dec 08 21:30:33 <Stskeeps> it's a good name for a multimedia framework, though
Dec 08 21:30:41 * timeless ponders
Dec 08 21:30:53 <timeless> so, the maemo sdk suggests i can deduct stuff from make
Dec 08 21:30:54 <Stskeeps> but also for a power management framework, as it actually is :P
Dec 08 21:31:00 * timeless wants to deduct 200hours from make
Dec 08 21:31:22 <timeless> (just for this week)
Dec 08 21:32:53 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: .. repo still in flux, may break, etc
Dec 08 21:32:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 21:33:21 <Stskeeps> .. probably will break since it's still recompiling hildon-desktop to work with the new files
Dec 08 21:33:37 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: that does't matter :P
Dec 08 21:33:49 <Stskeeps> ok :P
Dec 08 21:33:59 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: it will be compiled before i get that far
Dec 08 21:33:59 <Stskeeps> came to your senses and made a tar.gz copy? :P
Dec 08 21:34:02 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 08 21:34:03 <Stskeeps> true
Dec 08 21:34:11 <Stskeeps> though i wouldn't bet on it
Dec 08 21:34:12 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 21:34:28 <Meiz_n810> tar.gz copy?
Dec 08 21:34:40 <Meiz_n810> of the rootfs?
Dec 08 21:34:44 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 08 21:34:51 <Stskeeps> so you dont have to reinstall all over all the time
Dec 08 21:34:58 <Meiz_n810> i'll think about it... :P
Dec 08 21:35:16 <qgi1> ok, it's been a long day - enjoy Fremantle!
Dec 08 21:37:15 <Marzec> greetings
Dec 08 21:37:46 <Stskeeps> evening
Dec 08 21:37:48 <Marzec> quick question: is there a way to increase the cache of the media player?
Dec 08 21:37:49 <Stskeeps> got your tablet resurrected?
Dec 08 21:38:12 <Marzec> yes works perfectly fine thanks to all the helpful souls in this channel
Dec 08 21:40:44 <Marzec> the mplayer port seems to not work with mms so im stuck with the gstreamer based media player which sucks at streaming due to a to small cache i guess
Dec 08 21:41:01 <solca> Stskeeps: nothing interesting there, anyway will make a kernel and see how it behaves with n810
Dec 08 21:41:09 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 08 21:41:26 <Marzec> google doesn't give any hints so i was hoping someone in here has a trick up his sleeves
Dec 08 21:42:01 <solca> Stskeeps: on the other side could be interesting know if Nokia plans to use the mac80211 with their new proprietary drivers (if any)
Dec 08 21:42:17 <solca> or if it will ship with open wifi?
Dec 08 21:42:21 <Stskeeps> solca: is there really any other choice? :P
Dec 08 21:43:09 <solca> Stskeeps: sure, just code a proprietary drivers that just export wireless extension API
Dec 08 21:43:46 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 08 21:43:59 * suihkulokki thinks solca is not looking very closely
Dec 08 21:44:52 <solca> suihkulokki: please point me in the right direction :P
Dec 08 21:45:22 * suihkulokki points all around the diff.gz file :P
Dec 08 21:45:47 <solca> suihkulokki: my bad... thx!!
Dec 08 21:46:03 <Stskeeps> oh, ubifs, neat
Dec 08 21:46:45 <Stskeeps> more confirmation it's called rx51.. rx51_defconfig
Dec 08 21:47:34 <solca> hmm rx51 hardware
Dec 08 21:48:34 <solca> rx51: omap34xx based
Dec 08 21:48:55 <Stskeeps> wl12xx..
Dec 08 21:49:18 <solca> wl12xx = mac80211
Dec 08 21:49:21 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 08 21:49:24 <Stskeeps>  Import Imagination PowerVR services kernel mode tree.. hmm
Dec 08 21:49:36 <solca> wl12xx uses mac80211 neat!!
Dec 08 21:49:47 <lardman> is that an open chipset?
Dec 08 21:50:06 <lardman> or the same as we have atm?
Dec 08 21:50:28 <Stskeeps> WL1251
Dec 08 21:50:30 <Stskeeps> TI chipset?
Dec 08 21:50:52 <Stskeeps> " OMAP: Add audio endpoint and route to FM TX chip in Nokia RX51"
Dec 08 21:50:54 <Stskeeps> interesting
Dec 08 21:51:39 <lardman> hmm, FM output?
Dec 08 21:51:46 <Stskeeps> seems so
Dec 08 21:51:57 <suihkulokki> like solca said, nothing interesting there, move along :P
Dec 08 21:52:04 <lardman> ;)
Dec 08 21:52:27 <solca> suihkulokki: :P yea, it even pack some n8x0 fixes
Dec 08 21:52:33 <Stskeeps> RX51: Enable leds-twl4030-vibra and led-triggers in
Dec 08 21:52:42 <lardman> solca: that's interesting
Dec 08 21:52:59 <Stskeeps> RX51: enable the CMT speech driver <- .. no idea what that is
Dec 08 21:53:31 <lardman> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?DCMP=WTBU&HQS=ProductBulletin+OT+twl4030&contentId=4634&templateId=6123
Dec 08 21:53:39 <lardman> can drive vibration driver
Dec 08 21:56:03 <Stskeeps>   * I2C: add support for lis302dl accelometer driver
Dec 08 21:56:08 <Stskeeps> oo <3
Dec 08 21:56:13 <lardman> :)
Dec 08 21:56:25 <Stskeeps> i'm going to hug someone from nokia soon
Dec 08 21:57:10 <`0660> \o/
Dec 08 21:57:44 <Stskeeps> +  * Add support for "audio -" (KEY_F8) and "audio +" (KEY_F7) keys.?
Dec 08 21:57:55 <solca> si4713 v4l2 radio transmitter ?
Dec 08 21:59:19 <solca> rx51 hwmon, finally sane monitoring
Dec 08 22:00:24 <lardman> http://www.xhl.com.cn/ramtron/Si4712-13_short.pdf
Dec 08 22:00:25 <lcuk> so i need to get you lot bibs?  you are drooling
Dec 08 22:00:32 <lardman> yes :)
Dec 08 22:00:34 <lcuk> so, do i ^
Dec 08 22:00:37 <lcuk> lol
Dec 08 22:01:00 <Stskeeps> yes indeed
Dec 08 22:01:02 <lardman> hmm, that can transmit RDS data
Dec 08 22:01:03 <Stskeeps> solca: wifi driver looks oss
Dec 08 22:01:07 <solca> suihkulokki: you shoud procure us (Stskeeps and me) some boards to point and fix any problems ;P
Dec 08 22:01:11 <lcuk> this device is gonna be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Dec 08 22:01:18 <solca> Stskeeps: right
Dec 08 22:01:19 <Stskeeps> solca: i'd end up just drooling on it.
Dec 08 22:01:23 <Stskeeps> and damage it :(
Dec 08 22:01:31 <lcuk> nokia: provide drip trays
Dec 08 22:01:47 <lardman> Is there an FM receiver?
Dec 08 22:02:03 <Stskeeps> haven't seen one yet :/
Dec 08 22:02:11 <Stskeeps> is it needed with 3g? :P
Dec 08 22:02:43 <solca> Stskeeps: it seems wifi will be oss and {mac,cfg}80211 based: NEAT!!!
Dec 08 22:02:51 <lcuk> better gps?
Dec 08 22:03:25 <Stskeeps> k, im going to go insane if i read this patch through
Dec 08 22:03:36 <lcuk> keep calm
Dec 08 22:03:57 <solca> brief description: RX51 rules!!
Dec 08 22:03:58 <lardman> Stskeeps: thought RDS might be interesting to try to download traffic info
Dec 08 22:04:46 <Stskeeps> lardman: yeah, true
Dec 08 22:05:23 <solca> too bad is not based on 2.6.28 so it doesnt' use the new in kernel power,driver facilities
Dec 08 22:05:35 <lcuk> still time isnt there
Dec 08 22:06:08 <ShadowJK> hm, how does ubifs compare to logfs?
Dec 08 22:07:17 <solca> Stskeeps: definitely it looks good
Dec 08 22:07:40 <solca> Stskeeps: now if we could have some borads will be nice for our projects
Dec 08 22:07:49 <solca> Stskeeps: same lauch day support :)
Dec 08 22:08:00 <solca> s/lauch/launch/
Dec 08 22:08:00 <infobot> solca meant: Stskeeps: same launch day support :)
Dec 08 22:08:44 <lardman> PM: Changed secure RAM storage size from 0x8000 to 0x803F
Dec 08 22:08:57 <lardman> interesting, does that mean it uses some of the secure features
Dec 08 22:09:05 <lardman> perhaps to support the sim card?
Dec 08 22:09:14 <Stskeeps> ok, headphone amplifier, ambient light sensor, http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726/lis302dl.htm (one of these honeys), http://rafb.net/p/cxSmi179.html
Dec 08 22:09:46 <Stskeeps> and some confusing video decoders
Dec 08 22:10:19 <Stskeeps> broadcom bt ..
Dec 08 22:10:30 <Stskeeps> +CONFIG_PVR_SUPPORT_SGX1=y
Dec 08 22:10:31 <Stskeeps> hmm ..
Dec 08 22:10:40 <lardman> * Phonet: fix oops in phonet_address_del() on non-Phonet device
Dec 08 22:10:45 <lardman> hmm
Dec 08 22:10:47 <Stskeeps> lardman: celluar modem
Dec 08 22:10:52 <lardman> ok
Dec 08 22:11:21 <solca> RX51: Add support for twl4030 keypad to rx51
Dec 08 22:11:43 <Stskeeps> we should probably think that this -might- be a devel board
Dec 08 22:11:59 <lardman> yeah
Dec 08 22:12:05 <lardman> * RX51: Boards currently in use require separate VDIG
Dec 08 22:12:08 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm, accelerometers
Dec 08 22:12:19 <lcuk> * RX51: added support for kitchen sink
Dec 08 22:12:24 <lcuk> yup, its a dev board
Dec 08 22:12:28 <Stskeeps> lcuk: heh
Dec 08 22:12:40 <Stskeeps> still
Dec 08 22:12:48 <lcuk> excuse me a moment
Dec 08 22:13:00 * lcuk walks to the other side of the room and covers up
Dec 08 22:13:05 <lcuk> FUCKING AWESOME!!!!
Dec 08 22:13:12 * lcuk walks calmly back
Dec 08 22:13:29 <Stskeeps> huh..
Dec 08 22:13:30 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Dec 08 22:13:36 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, I'm giddy on the inside
Dec 08 22:13:42 <lcuk> yeah
Dec 08 22:13:49 <lcuk> christmas and all that :D
Dec 08 22:13:57 <lcuk> this is gonna be so much fun!
Dec 08 22:14:02 <Stskeeps> what did i just run into ..
Dec 08 22:14:08 <GeneralAntilles> accelerometers . . . man
Dec 08 22:14:11 <lcuk> the amount of doors this opens is amazing
Dec 08 22:14:33 * lcuk flies around the room with his arms out
Dec 08 22:14:44 * GeneralAntilles shoots the flying zombie
Dec 08 22:14:45 <lardman> you get this one?: http://www.analog.com/en/power-management/display-and-lighting/ADP1653/products/product.html
Dec 08 22:15:09 <lardman> * RX51: Small delay for adp1653 power-up
Dec 08 22:15:29 <lcuk> where are you actually reading this lot from
Dec 08 22:15:34 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, it's got a flash. :P
Dec 08 22:15:52 <lardman> kernel Changelog
Dec 08 22:15:57 <Stskeeps> lcuk: there's pvr stuff in the diff btw
Dec 08 22:16:12 <lardman> http://www.aptina.com/assets/downloadDocument.do?id=178
Dec 08 22:16:13 <lardman> nice
Dec 08 22:16:17 <GeneralAntilles> With a big bright screen, the flash LED, and the indicator LED, we can turn this thing into a regular brick'o'light
Dec 08 22:16:23 <Stskeeps> SGX though
Dec 08 22:16:24 <Stskeeps> not MBX
Dec 08 22:16:26 <lardman> * MT9P012: Add driver
Dec 08 22:16:48 <Stskeeps> lardman: there's mixed linux and nokia patches
Dec 08 22:17:29 <lardman> it's also got a vga camera, which is good
Dec 08 22:17:35 <lardman> ah ok
Dec 08 22:17:45 <GeneralAntilles> Oh really?
Dec 08 22:17:45 <lardman> * VS6555: Maximum exposure hack
Dec 08 22:17:46 <GeneralAntilles> Dual cam
Dec 08 22:17:47 <Stskeeps> interesting.. there might be MBX pieces in it too
Dec 08 22:17:50 <GeneralAntilles> that'll make a lot of people interesting
Dec 08 22:17:55 * solca is building the nokia kernel
Dec 08 22:17:59 <lardman> http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:zzCsWsJLEcMJ:www.st.com/stonline/products/promlit/pdf/flstv09860208.pdf+VS6555&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
Dec 08 22:18:02 <Stskeeps> +menuconfig PVR
Dec 08 22:18:02 <Stskeeps> +	tristate "PowerVR Services framework"
Dec 08 22:18:02 <Stskeeps> +	help
Dec 08 22:18:02 <Stskeeps> +	  Kernel-level support for the Imagination PowerVR Services framework.
Dec 08 22:18:02 <Stskeeps> +	  This module provides support for resource handling for a PVR
Dec 08 22:18:04 <Stskeeps> +	  compatible 2D/3D graphics accelerator like the Imagination MBX and
Dec 08 22:18:06 <Stskeeps> +	  SGX accelerator cores.
Dec 08 22:18:07 <Stskeeps> (sorry for paste)
Dec 08 22:18:11 <GeneralAntilles> Soooo, who wants to compile all this into wikipedia rumor mongering? :P
Dec 08 22:18:26 <lcuk> you :P
Dec 08 22:19:23 <lardman> I wonder what an ET8EK8 is?
Dec 08 22:19:37 <Stskeeps> looks like DSPbridge has omap24xx stuff too
Dec 08 22:20:13 <Stskeeps> lardman: ok, is it a SGX or a MBX in our nokias?
Dec 08 22:20:18 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, 15fps 720p
Dec 08 22:20:20 <Stskeeps> cos i'm confused now
Dec 08 22:20:21 <lardman> atm?
Dec 08 22:20:23 <lardman> MBX
Dec 08 22:20:25 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 08 22:20:30 <lardman> :) * UBIFS: do not print scary memory allocation warnings
Dec 08 22:21:34 <solca> drivers/net/wireless/wl12xx/
Dec 08 22:21:54 <lcuk> +  * UBIFS: get rid of scary lockup warnings
Dec 08 22:21:59 <lcuk> mmmm lardman
Dec 08 22:23:22 <jakemaheu> Hello
Dec 08 22:23:49 <Stskeeps> evening
Dec 08 22:23:52 <lardman> * Now that's better...
Dec 08 22:23:53 <lardman> lol
Dec 08 22:27:30 <lardman> anyway, looks pretty cool :)
Dec 08 22:27:55 <lardman> where can I get patchutils from for scratchbox? build it myself I guess
Dec 08 22:30:35 <jakemaheu> has anyone had ideas on what the community is going to do about maemo 5 on the n8xx series?
Dec 08 22:30:41 <Stskeeps> jakemaheu: plenty.
Dec 08 22:30:43 * jakemaheu has an n800
Dec 08 22:30:56 * Stskeeps is brewing new libhildon atm
Dec 08 22:31:17 <jakemaheu> snazzy
Dec 08 22:31:21 <Stskeeps> ~mer
Dec 08 22:31:22 <infobot> somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary)
Dec 08 22:31:25 <Stskeeps> look into that
Dec 08 22:33:13 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer.txt , raw sketch of idea for management and development method..
Dec 08 22:33:17 <Stskeeps> very raw sketch
Dec 08 22:34:12 <solca> Stskeeps: it seems the new kernel ships with powervr kernel support
Dec 08 22:34:19 <Stskeeps> yeah, for sgx, omap3
Dec 08 22:34:30 <solca> Stskeeps: and what about oma2xxx
Dec 08 22:34:37 <Stskeeps> doubtful
Dec 08 22:35:06 <solca> Stskeeps: other projects doesn't have mbx drivers?
Dec 08 22:35:28 <Stskeeps> only binary blobs i believe
Dec 08 22:35:33 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, do you want to try to round everybody up and schedule something?
Dec 08 22:35:47 <GeneralAntilles> My availability during the day is gonna shoot way down after the end of this week
Dec 08 22:36:04 <solca> Stskeeps: do you know where to find thos blobs?
Dec 08 22:36:18 <Stskeeps> solca: think lardman knows more about this than i do
Dec 08 22:36:29 <solca> lardman: ?
Dec 08 22:36:40 <Stskeeps> lardman: did you ever try the info functions and info types thing btw?
Dec 08 22:36:46 <lardman> solca: the only thing we have is a 2.4.x driver for the omap2430
Dec 08 22:36:54 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: well, it depends on who to involve i guess
Dec 08 22:37:17 <lardman> Nokia have a 2.6.x driver but it's not separable into GPL + blob, so can't be released
Dec 08 22:37:17 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, I'd try to schedule around all of the usual suspets
Dec 08 22:37:19 <Stskeeps> maybe a call for interested parts
Dec 08 22:37:23 <GeneralAntilles> then leave an open invitation for everybody else
Dec 08 22:37:53 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, that layout looks quite fine to me
Dec 08 22:38:17 <solca> lardman: they ever ship something with that 2.6 driver?
Dec 08 22:38:26 <Stskeeps> yeah.. something like it is definately needed cos i'll go mad if i deal with all of them at once ;)
Dec 08 22:38:33 <GeneralAntilles> though, in the short term anyway, I think it's likely to be overly organized for the small team we're going to have.
Dec 08 22:38:34 <lardman> solca: not that I know of
Dec 08 22:38:43 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's true
Dec 08 22:38:46 <lardman> Stskeeps: I have the DWARF output somewhere here
Dec 08 22:38:50 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, are you sure about Launchpad?
Dec 08 22:38:53 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: not 100%
Dec 08 22:39:06 <solca> lardman: the 2.4 drivers have a glue source or something?
Dec 08 22:39:11 <Stskeeps> but it does have a low entry
Dec 08 22:39:17 <lardman> solca: at least not for an omap, though there was something for another main processor iitc
Dec 08 22:39:20 <GeneralAntilles> Speaking from the direction of "communities" rather than "what's actually a good tool" I'd prefer to see it done in Garage.
Dec 08 22:39:21 <Stskeeps> i wouldn't mind a similar thing on maemo.org
Dec 08 22:39:36 <lardman> solca: there's a kernel driver + userland library which uses it
Dec 08 22:39:47 <GeneralAntilles> But that's assuming it actually supports the features you need/want
Dec 08 22:39:48 <Stskeeps> like, with ease of having bzr branches and such, teams, etc
Dec 08 22:39:57 <Stskeeps> yeah.. and that is what im wondering a bit about :)
Dec 08 22:40:21 <lardman> crap, I forgot to enable vfp
Dec 08 22:40:21 <GeneralAntilles> That said, there's nothing precluding it from being adapted to your needs as we move along.
Dec 08 22:40:44 <solca> lardman: the library is libGL.so or what? linked against X11 or for fbdevs?
Dec 08 22:40:56 <lardman> both are available
Dec 08 22:41:17 <lardman> I posted a directory listing the other day, let me find it
Dec 08 22:41:23 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, I think I'd like to put together a blog post to stir up some interest.
Dec 08 22:41:35 <Stskeeps> alright, sounds like a plan
Dec 08 22:41:59 <Stskeeps> "So, you are disappointed you won't have Fremantle on your N8x0.."
Dec 08 22:41:59 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 22:42:10 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, please, please, please re-add some sanity? :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247957&postcount=59
Dec 08 22:42:14 <lardman> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/untitled.jpg
Dec 08 22:42:16 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, god no.
Dec 08 22:42:34 <GeneralAntilles> I'm gonna avoid anything that might agitate the users. ;)
Dec 08 22:43:03 <GeneralAntilles> These people seem to be failing absolutely to see what's right in front of them.
Dec 08 22:44:36 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, my personal feeling with Launchpad is that even though the barrier to entry is low, it's higher than using a maemo.org service
Dec 08 22:44:45 <timeless> ping
Dec 08 22:44:47 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, it's slashdot-itis, you don't read the article, just the headline
Dec 08 22:44:50 <GeneralAntilles> Because, generally, I think the type of people you're after will have maemo.org accounts.
Dec 08 22:44:52 <timeless> anyone know if conic is deprecated?
Dec 08 22:45:14 <Stskeeps> i dont think so
Dec 08 22:45:19 <Stskeeps> conic is actually not a directly bad thing
Dec 08 22:46:38 <timeless> which api did they deprecate?
Dec 08 22:47:42 <lardman> timeless: Quim said that some of the REMOVED items have just not been added back in yet
Dec 08 22:48:07 <timeless> i'm not talking about maemo 5
Dec 08 22:48:10 <timeless> i'm talking about 4.1
Dec 08 22:48:14 * timeless doesn't care about maemo 5
Dec 08 22:48:23 <timeless> it doesn't exis
Dec 08 22:48:24 <timeless> t
Dec 08 22:48:32 * jakemaheu says " who needs it, anyways"
Dec 08 22:48:34 <lardman> ah sorry
Dec 08 22:50:31 <timeless> there were two networking stories
Dec 08 22:50:37 <timeless> conic and perhaps dbus ?
Dec 08 22:50:45 <timeless> i can never remember which one was the 'bad' one
Dec 08 22:50:51 <timeless> i guess it was the dbus one
Dec 08 22:50:59 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, sounds right.
Dec 08 22:51:06 <GeneralAntilles> Conic is definitely not deprecated for Diablo
Dec 08 22:51:24 <timeless> each time i ask this question, i have to go back and read the sources which touch both and remember 'oh that's the lame one'
Dec 08 22:51:32 <timeless> it happens about 1-2 times a year
Dec 08 22:51:51 <GeneralAntilles> You need a post-it note. :P
Dec 08 22:52:03 <timeless> i *have* post it notes
Dec 08 22:52:11 <timeless> in fact, a coworker gave me a stack of them as a going away present
Dec 08 22:52:17 <timeless> (he went away!)
Dec 08 22:52:37 <timeless> silly guy decided that getting married was more important than sticking out the winter
Dec 08 22:55:49 <||cw> silly cow-orker
Dec 08 22:55:59 <||cw> i mean co-worker
Dec 08 22:56:20 <timeless> i think he went to visit the goats, somewhere up in the mountains northeast of the indian holy cows
Dec 08 22:56:20 <lcuk> lardman, the pvr stuff for the 2430 - that looks "interesting"
Dec 08 22:56:35 <||cw> ah, then cow-orker fits
Dec 08 22:58:09 <timeless> anyone here know anything about hildon status bar?
Dec 08 22:59:11 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247968&postcount=64
Dec 08 22:59:39 <timeless> <blockquote>
Dec 08 22:59:39 <timeless> Hildon Status Bar
Dec 08 22:59:39 <timeless> Status bar is a UI component, displaying the status of various system tasks with
Dec 08 22:59:39 <timeless> a small icon image on the main window.            The maemo status bar can contain
Dec 08 22:59:39 <timeless> user-defined items as well. Normally there is a place for two of these additional
Dec 08 22:59:40 <timeless> items. These two slots are by default used by the usb connection indicator and
Dec 08 22:59:42 <timeless> alarm indicator, but can be used by any plug-in. Although plug-ins can specify
Dec 08 22:59:44 <timeless> a  priority,  the  current  version  of  the  status  bar  does  not  handle  the  plug-in
Dec 08 22:59:46 <timeless> priorities, so only two newest plug-ins are visible.
Dec 08 22:59:48 <timeless> </blockquote>
Dec 08 22:59:50 <timeless> is that true?
Dec 08 23:00:19 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks, Stskeeps. :P
Dec 08 23:00:29 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: sorry, i just got offended by that post too :P
Dec 08 23:00:58 <GeneralAntilles> The bit about priorities sounds odd
Dec 08 23:01:06 <timeless> the whole thing sounds odd
Dec 08 23:01:09 <GeneralAntilles> Presumably they're talking about sorting them in Panels in Control Panel
Dec 08 23:01:11 <timeless> i'm more interested in the two slots bit
Dec 08 23:01:15 <timeless> i don't think so
Dec 08 23:01:21 <timeless> you couldn't call that unimplemented
Dec 08 23:01:26 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: there's a status bar policy .so or something
Dec 08 23:01:52 <GeneralAntilles> "main window" is awkward and non-descriptive
Dec 08 23:01:56 <timeless> but seriously, what's w/ the 2 slots?
Dec 08 23:02:02 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know.
Dec 08 23:02:09 <timeless> if i get 3 new status bar things, which oens go haywir?
Dec 08 23:02:23 <timeless> pretend i lost the batteries for my devices :)
Dec 08 23:03:40 <timeless> does restore not actually kill all running apps before it starts?
Dec 08 23:05:25 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: oh, and, definately a -sdk team too :P
Dec 08 23:05:56 <r2d2rogers> d
Dec 08 23:06:03 <Stskeeps> evening r2d2rogers
Dec 08 23:06:10 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, I'm hoping we'll be able to con some Pandora folks into helping out.
Dec 08 23:06:27 <lardman> nice post Stskeeps
Dec 08 23:06:28 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: if i get my idea of making it cross-platform through, yeah
Dec 08 23:06:37 <Stskeeps> lardman: i work best at midnight
Dec 08 23:06:38 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 23:06:41 <GeneralAntilles> It's too bad Nokia basically shipped the only Linux OMAP2 device.
Dec 08 23:06:42 <lcuk> timescales seems similar gen - and feature set over here seems better
Dec 08 23:06:45 <timeless> oh, right, anyone here have skype?
Dec 08 23:07:02 <Stskeeps> i do, but my tablet is laying over on my table
Dec 08 23:07:10 <timeless> could you try something for me?
Dec 08 23:07:16 <Stskeeps> .. i guess
Dec 08 23:07:18 <timeless> 1. w/o skyp running, set an alarm for +5mins
Dec 08 23:07:26 <timeless> 2. w/ skype running, set an alarm for +5mins
Dec 08 23:07:32 <timeless> (wait forthe alarm to fire between steps)
Dec 08 23:07:47 <timeless> 3. w/ skype running, set an alarm for +5mins and go to offline mode
Dec 08 23:08:12 <timeless> to be save, make sure your device is not muted at step 0 and that the alarm volume is fairly audible :)
Dec 08 23:08:18 <timeless> s/save/safe/
Dec 08 23:08:18 <infobot> timeless meant: to be safe, make sure your device is not muted at step 0 and that the alarm volume is fairly audible :)
Dec 08 23:08:31 <Stskeeps> whoever made the alarm mode be so far down in the structure should be shot..
Dec 08 23:09:03 <timeless> sts: *shrug*, most of those people were probably contractors
Dec 08 23:09:16 <timeless> who have probably left for other projects
Dec 08 23:09:18 <lardman> lcuk: talking about the Pandora?
Dec 08 23:09:37 * lardman wonders how to stop docs from being built...
Dec 08 23:09:39 * timeless has no idea how to set an alarm
Dec 08 23:09:42 * timeless presumes it's possible
Dec 08 23:09:48 <lcuk> to you lardman i asked about the screenshot you posted, to gen yeah i was
Dec 08 23:09:57 <Stskeeps> lardman: what are ya building?
Dec 08 23:10:34 <lardman> Stskeeps: building fltk atm
Dec 08 23:10:41 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 08 23:10:51 <lardman> deps for giac/xcas and Qalculate
Dec 08 23:10:57 <lardman> fltk is for the former
Dec 08 23:12:00 <lardman> lcuk: screenie is the contents of the powervr sdk, I don't think pandora is anywhere near the Nokia in terms of what's in it - it was just supposed to be available 6months+ in advance
Dec 08 23:12:20 <lcuk> yeah
Dec 08 23:12:40 <lardman> not sure that will happen mind you
Dec 08 23:12:50 <lcuk> it will come out in the wash
Dec 08 23:13:04 <lcuk> you ready for xmas yet or not thought about it yet
Dec 08 23:13:13 <lardman> pretty much ready
Dec 08 23:13:20 <lardman> bought lots of stuff
Dec 08 23:13:24 <lcuk> im off from xmas eve to jan5
Dec 08 23:13:25 <lardman> etc
Dec 08 23:13:37 <lardman> same here I think
Dec 08 23:13:41 * lcuk couldv done with a whole month :)
Dec 08 23:13:45 <lardman> lol
Dec 08 23:13:59 * Stskeeps ponders how much he'll get done in xmas
Dec 08 23:14:13 <jagernot> will esound api be there in the new maemo 5 platform?
Dec 08 23:14:14 <lcuk> everyones been poorly round here so its been extra work pollin together
Dec 08 23:14:27 <Stskeeps> jagernot: there's pulseaudio instead, but esound compat
Dec 08 23:14:41 <jagernot> esound compatible means?
Dec 08 23:14:46 <lcuk> jagernot, theres lots of shiny in the new device to play with
Dec 08 23:14:54 <Stskeeps> jagernot: means api compatible
Dec 08 23:15:08 <lcuk> i wonder if i could strap a pair to my eyes and have real 3d
Dec 08 23:15:09 <jagernot> so i just recompile and it works right?
Dec 08 23:15:11 <lcuk> or just use a barrier
Dec 08 23:15:14 <lardman> jagernot: http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/fremantle/maemo4.1.1_vs_5.0prealpha_content_comparison.html
Dec 08 23:15:24 <lcuk> holy poo, the accel will allow that to be real
Dec 08 23:15:29 <lcuk> :D headaches here we come
Dec 08 23:15:30 <lcuk> :D
Dec 08 23:16:09 <lardman> aargh, another error in the rules file, need to recompile again!
Dec 08 23:16:22 <timeless> ok, true or false:
Dec 08 23:16:31 <timeless> Maemo launcher launches all applications on the maemo platform.
Dec 08 23:16:45 <Stskeeps> "most"
Dec 08 23:16:52 <timeless> that'd be "false"
Dec 08 23:16:52 <timeless> thanks
Dec 08 23:17:09 <Stskeeps> more apps should use it, though
Dec 08 23:17:13 <lardman> a Baysian Boolean then?
Dec 08 23:17:19 <jagernot> please forgive my stupidity .... do i then assume that i just recompile boxar which uses esound and it works?
Dec 08 23:17:27 <Stskeeps> jagernot: probably yeah
Dec 08 23:17:35 <timeless> if i'm asking a question, i usually want a correct English answer
Dec 08 23:17:35 <lcuk> if not you would change it a bit
Dec 08 23:17:44 <timeless> although sometimes i do want a mathematically correct answer
Dec 08 23:17:47 <jagernot> timeless i agree with you ;)
Dec 08 23:17:51 <lardman> I know ;)
Dec 08 23:17:52 <lcuk> jagernot, there will be some kind of sound interface :)
Dec 08 23:17:57 <lcuk> dont fret
Dec 08 23:18:10 <jagernot> well yet another bloatware crap
Dec 08 23:18:16 <jagernot> good enough to play .mp3s
Dec 08 23:18:22 <jagernot> thats all anybody wants for audio nowadays
Dec 08 23:18:29 <lardman> playbin?
Dec 08 23:18:30 <jagernot> pulseaudio my foot
Dec 08 23:18:33 <timeless> i want a pony!
Dec 08 23:18:40 <timeless> oh, and a get well soon pill
Dec 08 23:18:48 <timeless> (a card would be ok, but nowhere near as good)
Dec 08 23:18:50 <lcuk> well you are not everyone and your audio is groundbreaking for this platform :) so i for one hope theres a decent audio interface for you
Dec 08 23:19:19 <lcuk> :D do more with it
Dec 08 23:19:21 <Stskeeps> yeah, we need something that'll use the FM transmitter. and the one that sends audio straight inside our skulls
Dec 08 23:19:24 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 08 23:19:30 <lcuk> or to the car sterio
Dec 08 23:19:32 <lcuk> stereo
Dec 08 23:19:34 <lcuk> evne
Dec 08 23:19:37 <lcuk> fffsfklnsdawe grios
Dec 08 23:19:43 * lcuk has a ministroke
Dec 08 23:19:54 * Stskeeps thinks he's going to sleep
Dec 08 23:19:58 <Stskeeps> and trying to get to work in the morning
Dec 08 23:20:20 <Stskeeps> got to rewrite the mer imager i made for the d945gclf2 board to be inside the imager framework
Dec 08 23:20:59 <lcuk> gnite Stskeeps :)
Dec 08 23:22:06 * ShadowJK has a d945gclf2
Dec 08 23:22:14 <lardman> aargh, why does it keep running dh_installdocs ?!?!?
Dec 08 23:22:23 <lardman> night Stskeeps
Dec 08 23:23:31 * timeless wodners how safe it is to use apt from outside a debian world
Dec 08 23:24:05 <GeneralAntilles> Why does everybody think the OMAP3 is way more power hungry?
Dec 08 23:24:28 <timeless> it has more transitors, right? :)
Dec 08 23:24:51 <GeneralAntilles> It gives you 2-3x the performance for the same power requirements as the OMAP2
Dec 08 23:25:18 <GeneralAntilles> Which means you're done and idling 2-3x faster than on OMAP2
Dec 08 23:25:26 <GeneralAntilles> s/faster/sooner/
Dec 08 23:25:27 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Which means you're done and idling 2-3x sooner than on OMAP2
Dec 08 23:27:38 <jagernot> is early access to omap3 tablet possible?
Dec 08 23:27:52 <timeless> ask qgil :)
Dec 08 23:27:52 <GeneralAntilles> jagernot, Nokia has plans for a dev program.
Dec 08 23:28:22 <GeneralAntilles> But that's likely to be a lot closer to release.
Dec 08 23:28:41 <jagernot> have to pay to get in or just show ur app and hope?
Dec 08 23:28:48 <GeneralAntilles> jagernot, if you're just interested in playing with OMAP3, a Pandora or Beagle Board is a reasonable choice in the interim.
Dec 08 23:28:58 <GeneralAntilles> jagernot, there aren't any details yet.
Dec 08 23:29:35 <lcuk> jagernot, for all we know nokia might do a massive -dev program drop from an aeroplane at 30k
Dec 08 23:29:59 <jagernot> maybe somewhere in yorkshire? :D
Dec 08 23:30:02 <jagernot> flooded
Dec 08 23:30:27 <lcuk> yeah "SOS"
Dec 08 23:30:46 <lcuk> * RX51: added parachute
Dec 08 23:31:58 <jagernot> i think playing with the tablet is important to pandora/beagleboard as its the distribution that comes along that determines what we can do
Dec 08 23:32:13 <jagernot> i mean very few of us code in asm anymore
Dec 08 23:32:27 <ignacius> does anybody know if X version of maemo5 supports multitouch interfaces?
Dec 08 23:32:51 <lcuk> o.O maemo4 supports multitouch :P (YMMV)
Dec 08 23:33:15 <jagernot> yeah multitouch like kaoss pad
Dec 08 23:33:21 <jagernot> try boxar and see ignacius ;)
Dec 08 23:33:29 <solca> too bad new nokia kernel doesnt compile for omap24xx
Dec 08 23:33:43 <ignacius> will look
Dec 08 23:33:54 <lardman> jagernot: still no ideas when Pandora will ship mind you
Dec 08 23:34:24 <GeneralAntilles> ignacius, Maemo is moving to Xorg, so, yes.
Dec 08 23:34:29 <GeneralAntilles> There's no hardware support yet, though.
Dec 08 23:34:41 <GeneralAntilles> (not really, despite whatever evil voodoo lcuk may try to sell you :P)
Dec 08 23:34:42 <ignacius> great
Dec 08 23:35:01 * lcuk laughs evily
Dec 08 23:35:06 <jagernot> so that means multitouch is not supported then doesnt it
Dec 08 23:35:38 * GeneralAntilles tries to plant another wooden stake through lcuk's heart.
Dec 08 23:35:50 <GeneralAntilles> jagernot, not by the touchscreen technology used, though.
Dec 08 23:36:08 <GeneralAntilles> boxar might possibly benefit from lcuk's evil, though.
Dec 08 23:36:18 <timeless> s/ere/er/
Dec 08 23:37:26 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, :) we are talking often, theres a lot of scope for audiovisual goodness in this platform
Dec 08 23:38:42 <StsN800> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081208-broadcom-squeezes-11n-bluetooth-fm-into-new-cheap-chip.html , this one mentioned in kernel diff?
Dec 08 23:40:35 <GeneralAntilles> 802.11n, though?
Dec 08 23:40:44 <GeneralAntilles> Haven't we already got a wifi chipset? wl12xx
Dec 08 23:41:07 <StsN800> true
Dec 08 23:41:11 <StsN800> nm
Dec 08 23:41:21 <GeneralAntilles> Could be another combo chip maybe
Dec 08 23:41:25 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Dec 08 23:41:43 <GeneralAntilles> Fremantles new audio pipeline is FM transmitter -> FM receiver -> speakers. :P
Dec 08 23:42:10 <derf> ...
Dec 08 23:43:59 <jagernot> oh dear
Dec 08 23:44:19 <jagernot> that is not a pipeline..that is more like the queue at a busy ticket counter :(
Dec 08 23:44:34 <derf> And they're all out of tickets.
Dec 08 23:44:46 <lcuk> and the counter closed 10 minutes ago
Dec 08 23:45:15 <jagernot> somebody ought to tell nokia that design for performance
Dec 08 23:45:23 <jagernot> and keep as few middlemen apis as possible
Dec 08 23:45:33 <lcuk> i think you will find thats not the normal path ;)
Dec 08 23:45:44 <derf> I assumed it was a hoke.
Dec 08 23:45:53 <lcuk> unless its to a set of headphones..
Dec 08 23:45:58 <jagernot> s/h/j ?
Dec 08 23:46:06 <derf> jagernot: If you insist.
Dec 08 23:46:29 <jagernot> s/h/bl ?
Dec 08 23:46:29 <timeless> jagernot: you need to pay attn to the smilies :)
Dec 08 23:47:14 <jagernot> all i want to know is there any synth written with pulseaudio?
Dec 08 23:47:22 <jagernot> or gstreamer
Dec 08 23:47:37 <jagernot> i searched the whole wide internut and couldnt find any
Dec 08 23:47:48 <jagernot> all i see are media players and recorder apps
Dec 08 23:48:35 <jagernot> i truly love esound
Dec 08 23:48:42 <jagernot> 2 lines to setup the audio
Dec 08 23:48:51 <jagernot> and i could be making sounds
Dec 08 23:49:53 <jagernot> oh dear lord, dont kill esound on the tablets
Dec 08 23:50:38 * lcuk hands jagernot the tissues
Dec 08 23:50:56 <jagernot> for some weird reason esound doesnt read the mic :(
Dec 08 23:51:06 <jagernot> completely crashes my tablet
Dec 08 23:51:11 <GeneralAntilles> ESD is crap
Dec 08 23:51:15 <GeneralAntilles> PulseAudio is a much better direction.
Dec 08 23:51:27 <lardman> they've probably not wrapped that part - it all has to go though the DSP
Dec 08 23:51:35 <lcuk> jagernot, you can use many libraries, you have the motivation to find them
Dec 08 23:51:54 <lcuk> and once you do you can wrap it in a similar 2 line interface and carry on being happy
Dec 08 23:52:05 <jagernot> general: have you written any app using ESD. what do you know about it? huh?
Dec 08 23:52:12 <jagernot> general: have you written any app at all?
Dec 08 23:52:33 <lcuk> gnite folks
Dec 08 23:52:38 <lardman> night lcuk
Dec 08 23:52:49 <jagernot> night lcuk
Dec 08 23:54:02 <GeneralAntilles> jagernot, your words cut deep
Dec 08 23:54:40 <jagernot> general: you havent answered my question :D
Dec 08 23:54:58 * timeless grumbles
Dec 08 23:55:13 * lardman does too
Dec 08 23:55:43 <timeless> you aren't trying to build debian core tools on a non debian platform too, are you?
Dec 08 23:56:15 <lardman> no, trying to debug bloody C++ code/compiler errors
Dec 08 23:56:23 <lardman> ~curse C++
Dec 08 23:56:23 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, C++ !
Dec 08 23:56:24 <timeless> i'll trade
Dec 08 23:56:27 <lardman> :)
Dec 08 23:56:27 <timeless> yours sounds much easier
Dec 08 23:56:38 <lardman> yeah, just time consuming
Dec 08 23:56:59 <lardman> anyway, time to hit the sack, night all
Dec 08 23:58:05 <timeless> oh wow
Dec 08 23:58:07 <timeless> dpkg runs!
Dec 08 23:59:02 * timeless frowns
Dec 08 23:59:07 <timeless> so why did apt fail
Dec 08 23:59:23 <timeless> anyone wanna explain why apt failed to me :)
Dec 09 00:06:00 * timeless sighs
Dec 09 00:06:20 <timeless> vpn's can be really poorly implemented
Dec 09 00:06:49 <timeless> sure, ti'd be a great idea to automatically pop up a dialog which steals keyboard focus when the session is about to expire
Dec 09 00:07:03 <timeless> after all, the user definitely wants to enter random letters into the password field
Dec 09 00:09:23 <GeneralAntilles> Otherwise you might forget that it expired. Then what?!
Dec 09 00:24:58 <timeless> woohoo
Dec 09 00:25:02 <timeless> apt-get now kinda works
Dec 09 00:25:08 * timeless wonders if this system is usable
Dec 09 00:36:07 <sin18> on n800 (diablo) i can bring up the virtual kbd for easy debian (using set debian hw keys) but how can i turn it off (hide) after i am done.
Dec 09 00:39:58 <l7> ["dd if=$USER of=/dev/bed" is a rather funny quit message :)
Dec 09 00:59:59 <z4chh> i installed hello-world-app version 0.7....i can't seem to find the source for it, the latest i can find is 0.4
Dec 09 01:01:19 <z4chh> this is my favorite app in the world, and i must see the source >:'(!!
Dec 09 01:02:02 <lcuk> z4chh, you are welcome to look at my hello world app :) source and all http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/
Dec 09 01:02:29 <z4chh> lcuk, that is to complicated for me probably ;p
Dec 09 01:02:41 <z4chh> why do you think id even bother looking a hello world source
Dec 09 01:02:47 <z4chh> at*
Dec 09 01:03:09 <z4chh> but thanks :D
Dec 09 01:03:11 <lcuk> most certainly, but look anyway.  i dont know where a helloworld is - there was one in my vmware image but i dunno what version it was or anythin
Dec 09 01:04:26 <z4chh> btw ive had liqbase for awhile now, great software, good job
Dec 09 01:12:22 <pupnik> jagernot: what kind of synth would be fun to use -
Dec 09 01:18:29 <jagernot> pupnik: i dont know what do you like?
Dec 09 01:19:14 <pupnik> Tb-303 forever :P
Dec 09 01:19:52 <pupnik> a touchscreen ARP-2600 simulator would be great also
Dec 09 01:19:57 <pupnik> for making R2D2 sounds
Dec 09 01:20:06 <jagernot> im dont know many synths; din/boxar is my first sound project so..
Dec 09 01:26:32 <timeless> ok
Dec 09 01:26:38 <timeless> i think i can do debian stuff w/o debian
Dec 09 01:26:41 * timeless is happy
Dec 09 01:47:50 <z4chh> i think maemo needs more sample source code for programming applications >.<
Dec 09 01:52:21 <GeneralAntilles> z4chh, um?
Dec 09 01:52:41 <GeneralAntilles> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/
Dec 09 01:54:13 <GeneralAntilles> Go way
Dec 09 01:56:55 <z4chh> GeneralAntilles, actually i was refering to this https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/
Dec 09 01:57:16 <GeneralAntilles> z4chh, meh, that's just an unused feature of gforge
Dec 09 01:57:21 <GeneralAntilles> doesn't actually have much to do with Maemo
Dec 09 01:57:29 <GeneralAntilles> There's plenty of example code available in the documentation
Dec 09 01:57:36 <GeneralAntilles> and more if you start looking in the repositories
Dec 09 01:57:52 <z4chh> why keep it then? >.<
Dec 09 01:58:01 <GeneralAntilles> In case somebody wants to use it.
Dec 09 01:58:23 <z4chh> haha
Dec 09 01:58:28 <GeneralAntilles> Just because nobody currently uses it doesn't mean nobody ever will.
Dec 09 01:59:20 <z4chh> "that's just an unused feature of gforge" contradicting yourself? :P
Dec 09 01:59:52 <GeneralAntilles> No
Dec 09 02:00:09 <GeneralAntilles> It's currently unused, but that may not always be the case
Dec 09 02:00:24 <GeneralAntilles> there's no harm in leaving it there if somebody wants to start using it.
Dec 09 02:00:32 <z4chh> anyways ill search through that source directory...thanks for the link
Dec 09 02:01:26 <GeneralAntilles> The MO for corporate support email seems to be "ignore questions we don't understand, then pretend that we care after they bitch about not receiving a reply 2 weeks later"
Dec 09 02:05:44 <derf> They only ignore questions they _don't_ understand?
Dec 09 02:07:30 <GeneralAntilles> Fair enough
Dec 09 02:09:41 <derf> I mean, really, it's a crappy job where the employees want to do just enough not to get fired.
Dec 09 02:20:28 <solca> hey GeneralAntilles, it seems you just sleep like 2 hours a day, incredible performance!
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