**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 09 02:59:57 2008 Dec 09 03:06:47 Not looking good for better color performance in the N900: MAEMO SPECIFIC: MADE clutter-texture ALWAYS USE 16 BIT Dec 09 03:11:22 Heard on engadget, the Fremantle SDK is out? Dec 09 03:11:31 does that mean much on a user end? Dec 09 03:11:37 No. Dec 09 03:11:53 i know sdk is developers kit Dec 09 03:11:55 but yeah Dec 09 03:12:27 so was it as good as people hoped? Dec 09 03:15:07 GeneralAntilles, thats a good thing :) Dec 09 03:22:25 lcuk, well, it means gradients will still be upgly as hell. Dec 09 03:26:49 do you guys have any idea why the tutorial for booting off an SD card has you create a 480MB vfat partition on the card? Dec 09 03:27:03 But, yes, fewer colors to push around means less overhead Dec 09 03:27:34 ~boot-sd Dec 09 03:27:35 hmm... boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Dec 09 03:27:42 That one? Dec 09 03:27:54 yup Dec 09 03:27:59 specifically: https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card Dec 09 03:28:38 Well, you'll at least want space for swap Dec 09 03:29:16 It's really only an example, though, so set it to whatever works for you. Dec 09 03:29:28 sure but not 480MB of swap... and couldn't I just create a swap file in the ext2 parition? Dec 09 03:29:32 ah Dec 09 03:29:41 so there's no real reason Dec 09 03:30:05 You can, but not from the UI Dec 09 03:30:29 and most people are likely to still want to store stuff on the card from Windows machines Dec 09 03:30:44 iirc the UI creates the swap image on the internal flash Dec 09 03:31:14 nikosapi, more accurately, mmc2 Dec 09 03:31:18 which is NOT an ext2 partition Dec 09 03:31:34 yep, but which is the internal flash on the n810 Dec 09 03:31:44 No, it's not. Dec 09 03:31:50 yes it is :P Dec 09 03:31:53 It's a FAT partition on mmcblk0p1 Dec 09 03:32:02 yes Dec 09 03:32:09 which cannot be removed Dec 09 03:32:20 Which is definitely not the same thing as "internal flash" Dec 09 03:32:27 oh sorry Dec 09 03:32:31 Speak for yourself. Dec 09 03:32:33 I removed it. Dec 09 03:32:38 If mmcblk0p1 is ext2, then you can't create swap from the UI. :) Dec 09 03:32:39 haha Dec 09 03:32:53 And I have swap working just fine. Dec 09 03:33:05 Created from the UI. Dec 09 03:33:31 derf, not without rearranging the automounting. Dec 09 03:33:45 Since it wont mount an ext* partition on mmc2 by default Dec 09 03:34:10 Well, yeah, of course you fix /etc/fstab. Dec 09 03:34:24 All of these things are possible, they're just too complicated to explain to people who just want to get the job done, and don't want to futz around for an extra 30 minutes for no advantage. Dec 09 03:34:42 ok, well thanks for the info :) Dec 09 03:35:03 I mean, if you've used Unix at all, you know how to do these things. Dec 09 03:35:10 derf, obviously. Dec 09 03:35:22 The people going to the wikipedia on partitioning a flash card are not those folks. Dec 09 03:35:37 They probably actually want FAT, though. Dec 09 03:35:41 s/wikipedia/the wiki/ Dec 09 03:35:52 GeneralAntilles meant: The people going to the the wiki on partitioning a flash card are not those folks. Dec 09 03:35:56 derf, which is why the example has them set up a FAT partition. Dec 09 03:36:02 GeneralAntilles: I really hope you're not refering to me :P Dec 09 03:36:02 Now we're back exactly where we started Dec 09 03:36:19 nikosapi, I'm referring to the average use-case for that page. Dec 09 03:36:25 I was just objecting to you two telling me I couldn't do two things I've done. Dec 09 03:36:43 derf, nobody told YOU anything. <_< Dec 09 03:36:54 Oh, well fine. Dec 09 03:37:01 * derf packs up the toys and goes home. Dec 09 03:38:05 hah, so derf is the memory that's mounted on /media/mmc2 on the n810 actually removable, or was a soldering iron required? Dec 09 03:38:36 nikosapi: I just removed the partition. Dec 09 03:38:45 d'oh Dec 09 03:39:08 I was speaking of physically being able to remove the memory Dec 09 03:39:34 That probably would involve a soldering iron. Dec 09 03:39:50 that's what I thought Dec 09 03:39:51 But I never actually checked. Dec 09 03:40:46 well, at least I now have a rescue SD card in case I bork my n810 again \O/ Dec 09 05:03:20 z4chh: i'd plug mxr.maemo.org/garage/find Dec 09 05:03:25 there's lots of code to read Dec 09 05:03:47 (there's actually more, but i haven't pushed to garage in a while) Dec 09 05:52:39 So, claws-mail seems to actually work. But it is _astoundingly_ slow at opening a folder with new mail in it. Dec 09 05:52:53 A folder with 21k messages and no new mail, no problem. Dec 09 05:53:03 But 8k messages, 1 new, and it takes minutes to open. Dec 09 06:06:26 MINUTES!!! Dec 09 06:06:33 WE DON'T HAVE MINUTES TO SPARE Dec 09 06:08:25 Several minutes to open a folder to check one mail message is pretty unusable. Dec 09 06:09:09 I think the actual problem is that when it checked for new mail, it filled up all my RAM and is now swapping like mad. Dec 09 06:11:49 yeah Dec 09 06:12:01 I'm just having fun with caps lock Dec 09 06:12:03 don't mind me Dec 09 06:29:50 So, ultimately a failed experiment. Dec 09 06:30:03 Once again, a problem that would be completely solved if the tablet had about twice as much RAM as it does. Dec 09 06:31:34 rams enough, what pisses you off the most is inability to use the 3dchip Dec 09 06:31:56 Where by "you" you mean not me? Dec 09 06:32:06 The RAM is really not enough. Dec 09 06:32:37 When I can't open two browser windows because the "Operation has been temporarily disabled due to low memory", you don't have enough RAM. Dec 09 06:34:36 if I were dictator, i'd put half the web codemonkeys in work camps designing sites for 80286 PCs Dec 09 06:35:06 <`0660> derf, stop using myspace :) Dec 09 06:35:08 i found a nice compound for them too Dec 09 06:41:28 It doesn't take some crappy Web 7.0 social networking site. A plain page with a big image background is enough. Dec 09 06:43:22 i should buy a blutooth keyb , xchat works fine in diablo, but typing is a bit of a pain Dec 09 06:48:34 derf, i have to agree. the primary target, "internet tablet" really requires more mem Dec 09 06:48:50 too bad mem eats power. would be nice if one could power up/down banks as needed. Dec 09 06:49:50 but you probably know more about this than i - any idea of what % of power the N8x0 memory eats, vs various cpu states? Dec 09 06:55:28 turn on VM Dec 09 06:55:34 increas the browser cache Dec 09 06:56:02 there is also a nice thread on internettablettalk about some browser settings that help Dec 09 07:38:04 Hello all Dec 09 07:39:37 is there any way to pass command line arguments to a program from a .desktop file? Dec 09 07:40:14 there's an Exec field alright, but it doesn't seem to work Dec 09 07:40:31 the program only gets what I type in the corresponding .service file Dec 09 07:41:03 Morning all! Dec 09 07:42:12 actually, maemo seems to ignore the contents of the Exec field in the .desktop file Dec 09 07:42:32 Mikho: You only want to start your program by a button ? Dec 09 07:43:52 yes, mostly Dec 09 07:44:11 I had the same problem yesterday, 1 sec Dec 09 07:44:56 Try to remove the .service file and remove the dbus-related line from .desktop file Dec 09 07:45:32 well, actually I want the program also to start upon received dbus messages Dec 09 07:45:52 but there are some messages I'd like it to ignore Dec 09 07:46:34 So i don't know, i'm a newbie :( Dec 09 07:47:27 np Dec 09 07:49:37 ooh, got it Dec 09 07:50:04 if the X-Osso-Service field is defined in the .desktop file, the Exec field will be ignored Dec 09 07:50:10 instead the service file is used Dec 09 07:50:51 Thanks for the info :) Dec 09 07:51:14 so, if I remove X-Osso-Service field and leave the .service file alone, I can have different arguments for each way the program is started Dec 09 07:53:53 the tutorials don't explain these things wery well Dec 09 07:54:42 Yes i have lost 5h to start my application with a desktop button :( Dec 09 07:55:33 argh, there's a flaw Dec 09 07:55:55 if I remove X-Osso-Service, it won't check whether the program is running already Dec 09 07:56:32 So I'll get 5 daemons in the background for 5 clicks on the button Dec 09 07:57:40 Hmmm Dec 09 07:58:36 May be this link can help you... : http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo:_Hildonizing_application_UI Dec 09 08:03:17 Wlan still not working :( wlan-cal says: size zero, block not found... +yesterdays pastebin Dec 09 08:03:26 (in Mer) Dec 09 08:07:37 yes, i'll look at o Dec 09 08:07:41 it.. Dec 09 08:37:17 morn Dec 09 08:58:06 gahh, this is annoying. Eclipse runs out of memory twice an hour Dec 09 08:58:32 Mikho: Should I tell you how to solve it or do you know it already? Dec 09 09:00:38 emacs? Dec 09 09:01:24 close, yes Dec 09 09:01:30 Start by removing Eclipse. Dec 09 09:02:24 but, then how can I create code with an useful error parsing feature? Dec 09 09:03:27 By hand? Dec 09 09:03:47 Oh, you mean you want a list of errors on which you can click... Try Geany Dec 09 09:04:49 stop trying to run eclipse on an n810 Dec 09 09:05:14 mavhc: "on an n810" was unnecessary in that statement Dec 09 09:07:20 well, I'd be happy if it just remained stable for at least 2 hours Dec 09 09:07:58 Mikho: Eclipse will not. Dec 09 09:08:47 More eyecandy: http://docent.msk.ru/lj/mosfilm/th_mosfilm_pano_3.jpg Dec 09 09:10:08 just buy another 4GB of ram, it's cheap these days Dec 09 09:16:04 hello Dec 09 09:16:30 is there a n8x0 build of firefox 3.1b2 available? Dec 09 09:16:38 (no, not fennec) Dec 09 09:16:45 moo, astorm Dec 09 09:17:41 moo? Dec 09 09:17:53 so, do we have one? Dec 09 09:18:40 AStorm: don't think so. maybe on debian Dec 09 09:18:49 hmm Dec 09 09:19:01 could someone build it for us? Dec 09 09:19:26 possibly using already existent xulrunner... but that's not necessary Dec 09 09:20:04 But why? It will be pretty large / slow Dec 09 09:20:16 definitely not slow Dec 09 09:20:23 and not larger than fennec Dec 09 09:20:30 (smaller actually) Dec 09 09:21:28 heh Dec 09 09:21:29 ui will need slight tweaks, yup Dec 09 09:21:46 nothing a fairly simple extension can't handle Dec 09 09:22:29 (clickzoom, click-to-scroll, selection mode) Dec 09 09:22:57 so, is anyone willing to build it... or give me a nice *small" ready sbox2? Dec 09 09:23:55 Stskeeps, do you have one? Dec 09 09:25:42 sbox1 is ok too, but nowhere near as nice Dec 09 09:26:02 I have a problem preparing it for building debs Dec 09 09:29:16 AStorm: not yet :P i'm planning to have one based on m-vo's post Dec 09 09:29:21 did you see his post about sb2 btw? Dec 09 09:29:32 no, sorry Dec 09 09:29:45 I'm not following ITT too closely recently Dec 09 09:29:59 oh, it's on planet maemo Dec 09 09:29:59 sec Dec 09 09:30:00 care to give me a link? Dec 09 09:30:08 ah Dec 09 09:30:17 http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/the-cardinal-sin-of-scratchbox-a-backhanded-stab-at-the-maemo-sdk-and-the-promise-of-a-pot-of-gold/ Dec 09 09:30:44 SB2 is way more sensible but I am kinda tired of babysitting it Dec 09 09:30:54 Every new updates seems to break something Dec 09 09:30:58 i would love a mode like he describes :P Dec 09 09:34:36 fennec is almost good (as of nightlies) Dec 09 09:35:07 but its way of showing tabs and its awesome bar are... yuck Dec 09 09:35:10 AStorm: Why is it larger than plain ff though? Dec 09 09:35:23 because of full xulrunner Dec 09 09:35:27 Isn't it supposed to be much lighter and faster? Dec 09 09:35:35 while ff doesn't use whole of it Dec 09 09:35:49 so an optimized build of ff is smaller than xulrunner Dec 09 09:36:02 Ah...Can the same be done with fennec? Dec 09 09:36:05 also, fennec is slow due to not using gtk Dec 09 09:36:09 no Dec 09 09:36:18 fennec is a python ui to xulrunner Dec 09 09:36:20 :P Dec 09 09:36:37 or something Dec 09 09:37:27 AStorm: are you kidding me? :P Dec 09 09:37:34 urgh Dec 09 09:37:49 no, it is one Dec 09 09:37:55 Hi all. Just finished reading the backscroll. Good stuff ;) Dec 09 09:37:57 also, the "canvas" has bugs Dec 09 09:38:22 * RST38h feels depressed now. The first mobile FF browser, and it appears to be fundamentally shitty Dec 09 09:38:30 it is a python ui to xulrunner? :P Dec 09 09:38:39 it is Dec 09 09:38:45 check fennec .deb Dec 09 09:39:02 ok, i don't mind python but for this exact purpose it's madness Dec 09 09:39:05 nokia is looking to transform itself into an internet service Dec 09 09:39:14 it's not too crummy though Dec 09 09:39:15 from yesterday's "FAZ" newspaper Dec 09 09:39:22 needs a bunch of work Dec 09 09:39:31 pupnik: Are mushrooms THAT good in Finalnd? Dec 09 09:39:43 hehehe Dec 09 09:39:48 the article claimed it was 'betting the farm' on it Dec 09 09:39:58 they suck Dec 09 09:40:15 their crystal ball went broken Dec 09 09:40:22 Providing an online extension to its own hardware a la Apple I can understand Dec 09 09:40:28 Astorm: BOTH their balls Dec 09 09:40:38 AStorm: can't see any python in i686 version atleast Dec 09 09:40:49 Stskeeps, hmm? Dec 09 09:40:52 Transforming itself into internet service I cannot understand Dec 09 09:40:59 so what did I misread? Dec 09 09:41:19 Stskeeps, anyway, it is an ui to xulrunner Dec 09 09:41:25 yeah, that much doesn't surprise me Dec 09 09:41:52 well, it is... buggy and weak Dec 09 09:42:06 and the sidebars are too easy to toggle Dec 09 09:42:21 so, I want firefox 3.1 here Dec 09 09:42:39 with some minor tweaking, it'll be better than microb Dec 09 09:42:54 thanks to gecko 1.9.1 and features Dec 09 09:43:45 i can see nokia deciding that margins on hardware will continue to drop with commoditization of the technology Dec 09 09:44:01 and that new innovations in services/features are a must-have Dec 09 09:44:21 new lock-ins? yuck! Dec 09 09:44:54 it's a way to add value to a product AStorm Dec 09 09:45:20 negative value in my eyes Dec 09 09:45:47 yes, more $$$ for Nokia, maybe Dec 09 09:46:33 i'd be happy if the core OS went to linux and open-source Dec 09 09:46:59 .. it is quite already out there Dec 09 09:47:05 :) Dec 09 09:47:13 on nokia phones Dec 09 09:47:16 ah Dec 09 09:47:18 yeah, ok Dec 09 09:47:22 pupnik: what nokia is transforming into depends entirely who inside nokia you ask the question Dec 09 09:48:00 thanks for the correction, i should cite the source Dec 09 09:48:17 pupnik: like, really, some nokians seem to be pretty much blindfolded Dec 09 09:48:26 they talk trash Dec 09 09:48:36 like saying 3 years ago that in a year maemo would be in phones Dec 09 09:48:39 all Dec 09 09:48:48 they say that now though Dec 09 09:48:48 :P Dec 09 09:49:27 maemo is far too demanding in processing power :> Dec 09 09:49:30 they do not Dec 09 09:49:38 no dates named Dec 09 09:49:38 would/could Dec 09 09:49:41 see, they'd need better batteries Dec 09 09:49:51 AStorm: n8x0 hw is no different from n95 really Dec 09 09:50:08 to get it running and also wifi plus gprs Dec 09 09:50:23 RST38h, and n95 isn't known for runtime :P Dec 09 09:50:30 n95 has ok runtime Dec 09 09:50:35 if you don't torture the features Dec 09 09:50:38 anyway, ui needs a refresh Dec 09 09:50:50 like, less suck Dec 09 09:50:52 :) Dec 09 09:50:52 same with maemo really Dec 09 09:50:52 from seeing the new hildon widgets, it's sure getting it Dec 09 09:50:55 n95's new firmware made it less sucky again Dec 09 09:51:06 Sts: screenshot? Dec 09 09:51:30 yergas posted some.. hmm Dec 09 09:51:30 Stskeeps, gtk improvements like fingerfriendly scrollbars by default Dec 09 09:51:52 less menu abuse Dec 09 09:52:03 and less screen space waste Dec 09 09:52:19 http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets Dec 09 09:52:27 ah! Dec 09 09:52:32 unthemed Dec 09 09:53:40 anyway Dec 09 09:53:50 touchscreens are overrated Dec 09 09:53:58 they're good for drawing Dec 09 09:54:04 and for browsing Dec 09 09:54:09 nah Dec 09 09:54:16 dpad is better Dec 09 09:54:21 well Dec 09 09:54:44 i prefer the touchscreen Dec 09 09:54:46 it's more direct Dec 09 09:55:08 like, you're obscuring what you want to read Dec 09 09:55:11 :> Dec 09 09:55:23 it's good for picking links though Dec 09 09:56:01 yeah, picking links, quickly scroll Dec 09 09:56:13 there's always an area in the page which you're not currently reading Dec 09 09:56:21 and the dpad i have to slide out first Dec 09 09:56:24 on my n810 Dec 09 09:58:31 scroll would be better with a dedicated kinetic touchpad Dec 09 09:58:32 not always Dec 09 09:58:36 meh, I should get paid for design :P Dec 09 09:58:38 or at least be able to design some prototypes Dec 09 09:58:40 for personal use Dec 09 09:58:44 altenative would be to have a slack space on the touchscreen (make it wider) Dec 09 09:58:52 like a kinetic scrollbar Dec 09 09:58:54 yup, that was design problem Dec 09 09:58:59 I'd like an up/down key with a shift to horizontal :P Dec 09 09:59:07 like some cellphones have Dec 09 09:59:24 i'd like the 'H' key to also be a trackpoint on every keyboard Dec 09 09:59:36 haha Dec 09 09:59:44 trackpoint... Dec 09 10:00:00 instead of dpad... good idea Dec 09 10:00:04 but it's patented Dec 09 10:00:07 :P Dec 09 10:00:14 give it a rubber surface, make it more sensitive than the IBM trackpoints Dec 09 10:00:29 wonder what the license costs Dec 09 10:00:48 no idea, probably high enough Dec 09 10:00:49 lardman|gone: thanks for answering that post :P Dec 09 10:00:58 seeing as no other laptops have them Dec 09 10:01:12 i'm so addicted to trackpoint Dec 09 10:01:31 I prefer touchscreen/touchpad Dec 09 10:01:36 with good software Dec 09 10:01:49 snap-to-button is good Dec 09 10:03:22 anyway, touchscreen is ok Dec 09 10:03:34 but we need slack space and kinetic scrolling :) Dec 09 10:03:57 (and less space wasted) Dec 09 10:04:22 e.g. make the screen 960x480 Dec 09 10:04:53 and insert a scroll on the right side Dec 09 10:05:12 a'la canola Dec 09 10:05:14 or have a sensitive (touchpad-like) area on the casing to the right or left of the screen Dec 09 10:05:22 yes Dec 09 10:05:33 same idea, pick the cheaper one Dec 09 10:05:34 now there's just metal there Dec 09 10:05:37 indeed Dec 09 10:05:50 safes you a wide scroll bar too Dec 09 10:06:19 btw, offtopic, but does anyone know how to fix connectivity with msn and other networks using collabora haze? Dec 09 10:06:32 it's installed correctly, but it complains about connection errors Dec 09 10:07:27 no idea Dec 09 10:08:36 btw, we could use a better debounce on touchscreen Dec 09 10:08:55 Greatly depends on the particular tuch screen Dec 09 10:08:55 debounce? Dec 09 10:08:59 and some other buttons too (fullscreen comes to mind) Dec 09 10:09:00 They are all different Dec 09 10:09:19 aquatix, clickclickclick instead of one Dec 09 10:09:29 Ah, forget debounce, buttons, etc Dec 09 10:09:30 esp. when holding Dec 09 10:09:44 Just protect the damn touch screen better: it is so easy to scratch or break Dec 09 10:09:56 or broken lines when drawing Dec 09 10:10:04 my screen is fine itself Dec 09 10:10:12 it's a driver problem Dec 09 10:10:30 pressure values seem to be meaningless too Dec 09 10:10:37 yup Dec 09 10:10:46 that is very hard to calibrate Dec 09 10:11:17 esp. whole right side gets higher values than left side :P Dec 09 10:11:59 Yours too? Dec 09 10:12:17 yup Dec 09 10:14:26 probably either mount problem Dec 09 10:14:42 or artifact of production process Dec 09 10:15:49 I would tell this to Quim or Peter and ask them to relay thecomplaints to appropriate party Dec 09 10:16:28 Touch screen pressure variations, bouncing, and slightly bent screens can and should be fixed in the production process Dec 09 10:16:39 These are basically hardware bugs :) Dec 09 10:18:31 Stskeeps: I changed modprobe to insmod /cx3110x.ko in tablet-wireless script, wlan-cal still fails, but at least tablet no more reboots because of it Dec 09 10:26:53 ah, i had to downgrade libpurple0 to 2.4.3 from collabora Dec 09 10:32:57 No no Dec 09 10:33:02 do not use collabora's libpurple Dec 09 10:33:30 AStorm,aquatix,Stskeeps: Check this out and comment: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=248059#post248059 Dec 09 10:36:00 RST38h: well, it works now Dec 09 10:37:45 My n810 f/s and volum buttons are good Dec 09 10:37:48 aquatix: but Pidgin will not Dec 09 10:37:50 i can hear click Dec 09 10:37:57 and they really feel pessed Dec 09 10:38:02 * RST38h can also hear click but just barely Dec 09 10:38:12 No, they don't really feel pressed... Dec 09 10:38:20 RST38h: i don't use pidgin Dec 09 10:38:27 In my n810 ther _really_ feel Dec 09 10:38:48 My n810 is made at 2005 :P Dec 09 10:39:10 lunch! Dec 09 10:39:12 bbl Dec 09 10:39:27 Meiz_n810: I don't have a n810 so :P Dec 09 10:39:58 RST38h: and regarding surface.. screen protector should be a requirement :P mine is great so far :P Dec 09 10:40:21 Sts: Yea, I am also using screen protector Dec 09 10:40:51 But I think they should remove this requirement :) Dec 09 10:41:08 i dunno.. a proper screen protector solves a lot of the problems Dec 09 10:41:23 Stskeeps: i can't upgrade matchbox-w-m: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute old pre-removal script: Exec format error Dec 09 10:41:34 Meiz_n810: ok, that might be because you're upgrading Dec 09 10:41:40 and it's a totally different branch Dec 09 10:41:53 Sts: Well, HTC Diamond and its friends do not require screen protectors Dec 09 10:41:56 Why should we? Dec 09 10:42:01 i have tried to remove it, then install new one, removing is the problem... Dec 09 10:42:15 yeah, cos of some oddity in old package stuff :P Dec 09 10:42:24 k Dec 09 10:45:02 RST38h, does it have a glare screen? Dec 09 10:45:16 Stskeeps: can you make a tar.gz of the new installer? :P Dec 09 10:45:18 or a more rugged like those other gps? Dec 09 10:45:26 Meiz_n810: there's no new installer yet :P Dec 09 10:45:36 also, its screen is lower resolution Dec 09 10:45:39 havent touched it yet Dec 09 10:45:43 going to play more with it today Dec 09 10:45:47 Stskeeps: ok Dec 09 10:46:11 AStorm: I did not notice much glare Dec 09 10:46:16 But then I did not look closely Dec 09 10:46:28 i meant... not matt Dec 09 10:46:35 :> Dec 09 10:47:15 the most vulnerable part is the anti-glare coating Dec 09 10:47:43 From what I have seen, the Diamond has the same plastic for its face as for the rest of its body Dec 09 10:47:52 hmm Dec 09 10:48:12 thick protective coating eats light... Dec 09 10:48:48 although, good enough transparent plastic shouldn't reduce efficiency so much Dec 09 10:52:44 re HTC Diamond, commenter "baxter" says that the ui snazz on windows mobile is "lipstick on a pig" Dec 09 10:52:57 :) Dec 09 10:53:14 exactly Dec 09 10:53:31 but the device is a nice design Dec 09 10:54:06 pupnik: it would be a nice device if not for Windows Mobile Dec 09 10:56:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gZn7TXtrdY ok i want one of these synths Dec 09 10:57:06 http://www.miniorgan.com/lib/view.php?miniorgan=51&srch=&srch_type=&sortby=&output= my first sampling keyboard Dec 09 10:57:09 sorry, offtopic again Dec 09 10:57:50 pupnik, this is *old* :P Dec 09 10:57:56 and horrible Dec 09 10:58:00 it's awesome! Dec 09 10:58:07 has one of these a long-long time ago Dec 09 10:58:11 so bad, it's good! Dec 09 10:58:20 no, horrible Dec 09 10:58:24 hahaha Dec 09 10:58:39 sid is better Dec 09 10:58:41 the VSS-30 was actually pretty kickass - got stolen Dec 09 10:58:47 ah yes sid... Dec 09 10:58:50 forbidden forest theme Dec 09 10:59:06 heck, my old SB pro opl-3 synth was better Dec 09 10:59:35 again, I could build a better synth too :P Dec 09 11:00:55 that given my meagre time and resources Dec 09 11:03:35 mmm dual-cpu heath/zenith z-100 for sale http://ln-s.net/2YZR Dec 09 11:33:55 morning Dec 09 11:35:45 morning Dec 09 12:03:58 Stskeeps: how's Fremantle assimilation going? Dec 09 12:10:36 Buenos Dias and HI everyone! oh jesus how i have been missing this chat! Hi General! Long time no seeee! Dec 09 12:10:59 Khertan2: you here? Dec 09 12:11:15 aqua... there are two of them in here. Dec 09 12:11:24 yeah, noticed Dec 09 12:11:28 Khertan_WebIrc5: you here? :) Dec 09 12:11:32 :) Dec 09 12:11:44 Meiz_n810, i think mer installer as you have it should work now Dec 09 12:12:05 Aqua, you know the name of the latest NOKIA model? that one they popped out a few days ago.... Dec 09 12:12:06 when installing Dec 09 12:12:20 cyberholic: the N97? Dec 09 12:12:22 does anyone know that name? Dec 09 12:12:26 thanks a lot! Dec 09 12:12:34 * aquatix wants Dec 09 12:12:35 :) Dec 09 12:12:38 ah, nah. not that. Dec 09 12:13:05 there is an other one. on the other hand i would like to know if the n97 support the flash plugin. Dec 09 12:13:45 wait. sorry. my fault. you are right... its that! Dec 09 12:14:00 :) Dec 09 12:14:21 oh.... i just read that even the G1 supports Flash.... interesting! Anyone owns that? Dec 09 12:15:54 cyberholic: supports flash via SD Dec 09 12:18:48 but you need to sign the image before Dec 09 12:19:06 so you have to hack replace the android signatures first and you need root for this Dec 09 12:19:28 solca: ping Dec 09 12:19:32 lo pancake, great job on 0xffff Dec 09 12:20:05 * lardman wonders if there's a mailing list for Mer, or just Jaiku? Dec 09 12:20:35 jaiku - experiment Dec 09 12:20:47 oh sorry. my fault... hihi... was talking about ADOBE FLASH plugin :) Dec 09 12:21:35 lardman, its easier to be kept updated/update with microblogging so Dec 09 12:22:42 yeah, I was thinking more about structure of the system Dec 09 12:22:47 thinking about DSME actually Dec 09 12:22:51 but we'll have a bootstrap meeting to get things going Dec 09 12:23:08 cyberholic: lol :) Dec 09 12:23:12 mm, seems like ohm will replace Dec 09 12:23:54 unfortunate choice of name Dec 09 12:24:30 ohm, the media framework? ;) Dec 09 12:24:42 no just difficult to search for ohm :) Dec 09 12:24:53 what was that new media framework called? Dec 09 12:24:59 lardman: pong Dec 09 12:25:06 png???? Dec 09 12:25:13 pong i mean? Dec 09 12:25:14 hey solca, give me a min or two Dec 09 12:25:19 lardman: ok Dec 09 12:25:50 That just like the FLASH thing. You seek Flash and mean flashing the OS and not the adobe plugin. You search for PONG as system and find 3 decade old games :( Dec 09 12:26:17 http://www.slideshare.net/ensonic/maemo-multimedia-framework-presentation that one, what was it called? Dec 09 12:26:35 its on garage i think Dec 09 12:27:01 ohm=open hardware manager Dec 09 12:27:37 yeah I know that, just trying to remember what the media framework was called Dec 09 12:27:39 sts: shouldnt it be more correct english to say.... its IN the garag... lol ;) Dec 09 12:27:48 and I was sat there, will have to dig out my notes from the talk :) Dec 09 12:28:03 cyberholic: yes, but not in this context Dec 09 12:28:12 ah, MIDAS Dec 09 12:28:12 i know, i was just kidding :) Dec 09 12:28:42 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/midas/ Dec 09 12:30:35 aargh, can't message Dec 09 12:30:42 bbiam, bloody irc client Dec 09 12:41:16 MaemoSDK+ RC1 is out Dec 09 12:41:51 woo Dec 09 12:42:21 yay Dec 09 12:42:24 how large? Dec 09 12:42:32 (and does it work OOTB) Dec 09 12:43:03 you certainly will need some hope for it to work OOTB Dec 09 12:44:17 Well, the last beta worked Dec 09 12:44:25 lardman, wrt dsme the discussion is also wether or not to have initfs Dec 09 12:44:29 So I expect tehe rc1 to work as well Dec 09 12:45:06 StsN800: yeah, I was just wondering what the current thoughts were Dec 09 12:45:26 StsN800: would it be worth having a mailing list for this, so people can comment, etc,? Dec 09 12:45:26 and what place dsm like daemon has in ohm world Dec 09 12:46:02 yeah.. we will have it when we decide on overall structure Dec 09 12:46:03 Ford is seeking to sell Volvo to a Changan Automobile Company (China) Dec 09 12:46:16 Here go your Volvos =) Dec 09 12:46:23 bsd.tspre.org? Dec 09 12:46:26 er Dec 09 12:47:21 bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer.txt is a very raw project structure sketch, lardman Dec 09 12:48:13 thanks Dec 09 12:48:24 do you have a link to the hal plugin for battery stuff? Dec 09 12:49:30 well some misunderstood what i said.. hald-addon-bme is downloadable on the model-locked updates repo Dec 09 12:49:52 ah I see Dec 09 12:50:01 that's fine Dec 09 12:50:06 bme Dec 09 12:50:11 isnt yet Dec 09 12:50:16 yeah I know Dec 09 12:50:19 nor will it be Dec 09 12:50:33 ah, downloadable you mean? Dec 09 12:50:37 yeah Dec 09 12:50:39 well it's on device anyway Dec 09 12:50:59 it might eventually be redistributable Dec 09 12:51:10 indeed I'm sure it will be Dec 09 12:51:20 but its up to us to figure whats needed Dec 09 12:51:25 yep Dec 09 12:54:58 i'm personally for initfs, with a simple dsm daemon. with kexec/bootmenu and reboot loop prevention Dec 09 12:55:11 and rescue possibilities Dec 09 12:55:36 yes Dec 09 12:56:16 presumably using kexec to boot a different kernel to the one in the initfs? Dec 09 12:56:45 yeah, solcas looking at that Dec 09 12:57:39 and suceeded already Dec 09 12:58:19 :) Dec 09 12:58:46 booting diablo kernel with 2.6.28 Dec 09 12:58:46 I'll have to learn about the debuildroot stuff and get setup Dec 09 12:58:52 cool :) Dec 09 13:04:01 right now its really just devel on i386 and send compile on armel builder Dec 09 13:04:33 yeah, well Debian building is still pretty odd for me Dec 09 13:04:48 single packages are ok, builders I'll need to work out how to setup, etc,. Dec 09 13:04:51 sb2 sdk should be in reach too Dec 09 13:06:25 my builder setup is largely self built atm:P Dec 09 13:06:40 :) Dec 09 13:07:01 I'm used to using bitbake, so I don't need to know the detauils Dec 09 13:07:15 hehe Dec 09 13:07:19 which is good if that's not what you're interested in Dec 09 13:07:34 otherwise it's just annoying needing to learn something new to get started with what you actuallty want to do Dec 09 13:35:04 meh Dec 09 13:35:10 lardman|lunch, this whole year has felt like that.. Dec 09 13:35:23 AStorm, its not that bad Dec 09 13:35:25 iPhone does a stujpid thing with ground :p Dec 09 13:35:37 bounces? Dec 09 13:35:53 now. having "iPhone compat" headphones... Dec 09 13:36:13 they friggin work with n810 only when the "talk" button is on Dec 09 13:36:37 or I don't push them all the way in Dec 09 13:36:46 well... now my nokia supplied headphones are similar Dec 09 13:36:57 similar plug Dec 09 13:37:12 ive only used them once, but it would be mainly mono but with a low sound in one ear Dec 09 13:37:19 UNLESS i pressed the talk button Dec 09 13:37:23 * RST38h uses BT headphones Dec 09 13:37:29 thanks to 3rd channel? Dec 09 13:37:41 it's ficable Dec 09 13:37:51 yeah thats what i put it down to, ive not watched anything on it since Dec 09 13:38:02 by connecting the ground correctly *in the device* Dec 09 13:38:04 not worth hassle Dec 09 13:38:31 nah Dec 09 13:38:45 I could hardcode the talk to always on Dec 09 13:38:55 but I don't want to chop them down... Dec 09 13:39:21 it's a stupid gumstick style button Dec 09 13:39:23 :> Dec 09 13:39:57 they did it wrong by leaving the ground flying instead of connecting two proper large resistors Dec 09 13:40:22 dunno, has this been confirmed Dec 09 13:40:32 I mean, not nokia Dec 09 13:40:36 "A video of a burning fire is now available as a premium application for the iPhone, but it remains to be seen if even iPhone users are stupid enough to pay $2 to listen to advertisements for Christmas albums." Dec 09 13:40:45 the headphones Dec 09 13:41:11 iPhone users appear to be the ideal consumers. You can sell just about ANYTHING to them Dec 09 13:41:31 there's a cheap workaround though Dec 09 13:41:45 connect through a proper grounded converter Dec 09 13:41:48 if people are willing to give money for things do not grumble, merely hold your hand out and smile sweetly Dec 09 13:41:57 with a large resistor as flying ground Dec 09 13:42:17 it's nokia's fault too Dec 09 13:42:30 lcuk: Indeed. Dec 09 13:42:36 relying on ground, when it's meant to be fourth channel Dec 09 13:42:54 *third Dec 09 13:43:16 btw, there's an almost suitable attenuator in pack Dec 09 13:49:25 I was wrong Dec 09 13:49:31 100% nokia fault Dec 09 13:50:13 the ground pin is too close to the top of hole Dec 09 13:50:51 so makes contact with 3rd channel instead of ground if I push the plug in Dec 09 13:50:59 gah Dec 09 13:51:06 * AStorm will mod the device Dec 09 13:52:23 or indeed, iPhone uses some idiot method of signalling Dec 09 13:52:51 it uses a somewhat non-standard plug Dec 09 13:53:39 nah, normal 3channel plug Dec 09 13:53:58 same Nokia uses for the stock n810 phones Dec 09 13:54:29 except I think some kind of signalling uses ground Dec 09 13:54:53 connected/disconnected Dec 09 13:55:49 meh Dec 09 13:55:59 time to build an adapter I guess Dec 09 13:56:27 what's funny is that n810 works well with a fully disconnected ground Dec 09 14:00:02 I'll check exactly what happens later Dec 09 14:00:13 when I get to my proper lab tools Dec 09 14:31:51 any Debian gurus about? Dec 09 14:37:57 how ca I override the default CFLAGS in a debian build? Dec 09 14:38:17 lardman|home: vim debian/rules Dec 09 14:38:26 have done that, no effect Dec 09 14:38:41 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m53ea5962 is my modified one Dec 09 14:38:57 I added in the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS stuff Dec 09 14:39:52 * trenka hates cdbs Dec 09 14:39:55 lardman|home: what do you want to compile ? Dec 09 14:40:06 Stskeeps: is h-i-m working ? Dec 09 14:40:12 I wonder where these are being set? http://maemo.pastebin.com/m7f055d9a Dec 09 14:40:19 disco_stu: Qalculate Dec 09 14:40:32 lardman|home: does it have a makefile ? Dec 09 14:40:36 yes Dec 09 14:40:47 well specify cflags on it Dec 09 14:41:01 but I had hoped to patch rules and let it propogate - see the way configure is called in the pastebin above Dec 09 14:41:26 Meiz_n810: didn't try it yet Dec 09 14:42:02 Stskeeps: but hildon-desktop should work with new matchbox-w-m ? Dec 09 14:42:11 Meiz_n810: no, we should use the old matchbox wm for now Dec 09 14:42:16 the new one requires clutter i think Dec 09 14:42:25 im going to bootstrap myself now too Dec 09 14:42:34 hmm.. Dec 09 14:42:41 k Dec 09 14:42:45 it -should- work with old wm Dec 09 14:43:04 disco_stu: so I was really wondering what's calling configure, and where it gets its options from. Any ideas? Dec 09 14:43:41 lardman|home: checked debian/rules? Dec 09 14:43:51 yeah the pastebin a bit further up Dec 09 14:43:55 lardman|home: no idea Dec 09 14:44:10 lardman|home: if you want extra CFLAGS; just export CFLAGS= Dec 09 14:44:14 unless the global rules default to those settings Dec 09 14:44:21 Stskeeps: doesn't seem to work Dec 09 14:44:24 hmm Dec 09 14:44:28 though I left a gap Dec 09 14:45:07 nope, my CFLAGS are overridden when configure is called anyway Dec 09 14:47:32 seems pretty bad form to patch configure to specify CFLAGS Dec 09 14:47:42 as the Makefile will just be regenerated I guess Dec 09 14:49:27 yeah, configure re-generates the Makefile so no luck there Dec 09 14:56:41 hmm, had to patch configure.in in the end, feels a bit hacky though Dec 09 14:56:50 bbiab Dec 09 14:58:46 is it posible to make the main menu icon's smaller as well as the text so you can see more of your app's, with out using personal menu? Dec 09 15:03:57 Just installed a Mer chroot in the desktop, but how could I test it in a device? ;) Dec 09 15:04:19 i'm testing if the current mer imager works on my n8x0 Dec 09 15:04:25 with the updated libhildon Dec 09 15:04:27 patience for a bit :) Dec 09 15:04:32 b1ackdeath, sure, if you resize all the icons Dec 09 15:04:41 or remove the large ones Dec 09 15:04:58 b1ackdeath, not without recompiling Dec 09 15:05:08 GeneralAntilles, wrong :P Dec 09 15:05:11 The entry numbers are hard-coded. Dec 09 15:05:14 Stskeeps: i re-installed today. worked okay. Dec 09 15:05:20 AStorm, the application menu? Dec 09 15:05:24 Meiz_n810: alright :) Dec 09 15:05:29 Meiz_n810: "okay" as it boots? :P Dec 09 15:05:33 Plenty of applications use smaller icons, it doesn't change the line height. Dec 09 15:05:43 GeneralAntilles, I said you get to resize 64x64 icons Dec 09 15:05:45 yup, doesn't Dec 09 15:05:47 :) Dec 09 15:06:04 Stskeeps: installing was okay, i'll boot when i have installed some stuff Dec 09 15:06:10 ah Dec 09 15:06:21 AStorm, I'd like to see a screenshot of this. Dec 09 15:06:41 I a longer while Dec 09 15:07:01 now I'm testing/abusing my new ue super.fi 4vi Dec 09 15:07:10 so if you resize the icons its not going to change the size of the menu spacing? Dec 09 15:07:22 no, it won't Dec 09 15:07:38 oh boy, penguinbait is pissy over the pandora Dec 09 15:07:59 and the fun fact exchange rate has jumped heavily Dec 09 15:08:04 harhar Dec 09 15:08:06 haha pandora looks really kool tho Dec 09 15:08:21 b1ackdeath, vaporware sure looks cool Dec 09 15:08:27 it's 100% water Dec 09 15:10:27 Stskeeps: hildon-desktop crashes early with the latest packages (matchbox) Dec 09 15:10:38 Meizirkki: hmm. Dec 09 15:12:33 Meizirkki: i'll try to install it but i'm doing an HCI assignment today so a bit busy :P finals coming up for this semester so Dec 09 15:12:59 so about then menu i will need to recompile it, to make it smaller? Dec 09 15:13:12 Stskeeps: i am now playing with solcas android, take your time :P Dec 09 15:14:29 someone knows how to avoid matchbox restarting ? Dec 09 15:14:45 disco_stu, check the init script Dec 09 15:15:03 it is being restarted by the kicker/dsme Dec 09 15:15:58 sorry lost my cell connection, but the menu, yes or no on needing to recompile Dec 09 15:16:27 yes Dec 09 15:17:18 ok, thanks astorm for the info Dec 09 15:18:30 Finally! working wifi in new android! Dec 09 15:18:34 :P Dec 09 15:18:38 hehe Dec 09 15:18:57 re Dec 09 15:19:02 You mean, WiFi never worked in Android? Dec 09 15:19:17 solca got it working earlier Dec 09 15:19:31 but this is first time it works with my tablet Dec 09 15:19:36 ah Dec 09 15:19:43 well im running openbox now, but i can use the menu to launch aps Dec 09 15:19:45 still crashes? Dec 09 15:20:00 (meiz) Dec 09 15:20:08 Stskeeps: yes :( Dec 09 15:20:40 disco_stu, menu is hildon-something Dec 09 15:20:43 afaicr Dec 09 15:24:32 Stskeeps: but it does not happen as often as it happened before Dec 09 15:41:14 * Stskeeps watches Mer install Dec 09 15:43:37 * lardman watches the watching :) Dec 09 15:43:53 * RST38h watches over all of you cackling evilly Dec 09 15:44:00 * qwerty12 watches lardman who is watching stskeeps installing mer Dec 09 15:44:15 * qwerty12 barges RST38h out of the way Dec 09 15:47:00 * AStorm is the big brother Dec 09 15:47:00 I watch you all Dec 09 15:47:27 * qwerty12 reports AStorm Dec 09 15:48:01 to me? Dec 09 15:48:15 You choose :P Dec 09 15:52:57 * Stskeeps ponders if it would be an excellent fraud to announce big open source hw thing and then just systematically trick people out of the money.. Dec 09 15:53:11 pandora? :D Dec 09 15:53:22 * suihkulokki watches OOo build for the 5th day Dec 09 15:53:53 qwerty12: i was wondering a tad.. Dec 09 15:54:09 Sts: Doing it with software is better Dec 09 15:54:32 Sts: It takes less expense to just put together a piece of crappy software and tell everyone that "this is IT" Dec 09 15:54:33 RST38h: yeah, but people pre-order hw, you usually don't with sw Dec 09 15:55:14 Stskeeps: you'd have to use something else than credit cards to rip the people off Dec 09 15:55:38 .. bank transfers? :P Dec 09 15:56:16 and convining people to preorder with something else than credit card is tricky :P Dec 09 15:56:59 even money transfers are hard Dec 09 15:57:04 too easy to trace Dec 09 15:57:11 yeah, western union would be better, with mules :P Dec 09 15:57:26 and noone would be suspicous Dec 09 15:57:41 western ripoff? nobody sane uses that Dec 09 15:57:46 try paypal :P Dec 09 15:58:22 AStorm: you'd be surprised how many people get ripped off through that.. Dec 09 15:58:34 code id10t Dec 09 15:59:40 whee, Kismet takes the life out of your N800. I was running it for 17 hours, connected to the charger, just took it off and battery is at 55% Dec 09 16:01:09 Fanoush's latest thread is interesting Dec 09 16:01:17 which one? Dec 09 16:01:23 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=248126#post248126 Dec 09 16:02:42 yeah, we were wandering through it last night Dec 09 16:07:56 Meizirkki: so far it didn't crash for me (hildon), but i think we need to use m-b-2 Dec 09 16:12:52 hi everyone. me again. i just developed the first "photoframe" mojo on mojocafe.net - it snatches the photos from flickr.com so the question is: what kind of photo terms would you like to see on your device while acting like a photoframe? Dec 09 16:13:19 pornography, ideally Dec 09 16:13:27 hehe Dec 09 16:13:37 cyberholic: pr0n? Dec 09 16:13:38 .. but i would preferably like to be able to adjust it to my own settings Dec 09 16:13:39 :P Dec 09 16:14:05 Stskeeps, does the fremantle hildon-desktop have the ability to lock applets? Dec 09 16:14:25 ciropip: lol... Dec 09 16:14:53 sts: i will make such a mojo tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. you can then enter or a word or an user id Dec 09 16:15:11 cyberholic, can I request a "drug of the day" mojo? :P Dec 09 16:15:44 cyberholic: world of warcraft screenshots Dec 09 16:16:12 qwerty: sure! more the wikipedia style or do you want to have a strobo effect that changes your brain? lol Dec 09 16:16:32 strobo effect please! :D Dec 09 16:16:43 ciroip: as a slideshow? aint that tooo boring? Dec 09 16:16:56 sure is boring Dec 09 16:17:00 for normal people Dec 09 16:17:08 qwerty12: i'm not sure Dec 09 16:17:14 ok Dec 09 16:17:15 qwerty12: i dont have any applets right now.. Dec 09 16:17:16 :P Dec 09 16:17:21 u probably dont know a lot of wow players :) Dec 09 16:17:21 ciroip: lol. for the first time in my life i have entered "pron" in flickr..... never guess what you will see ;) Dec 09 16:17:30 Stskeeps, hehe, hello world applet. NOW! :P Dec 09 16:17:46 qwerty12: building mbwm-2 atm Dec 09 16:17:48 clutter Dec 09 16:17:48 :P Dec 09 16:17:56 hehe Dec 09 16:17:57 i wonder if it's built for armel.. Dec 09 16:17:57 :P Dec 09 16:18:57 http://www.figureprints.com/Gallery.aspx Dec 09 16:19:14 wtf, people buy this?! Dec 09 16:19:23 I told you Dec 09 16:19:45 that feature alone can convince people to buy a nokia tablet :) Dec 09 16:19:52 wow player are RICH and bored Dec 09 16:19:55 s Dec 09 16:20:03 lol Dec 09 16:20:11 and they are millions Dec 09 16:21:59 yeah and stupid, otherwise they'd notice that they' Dec 09 16:22:03 Stskeeps: what's m-b-2 (matchbox-2?) Dec 09 16:22:04 're bored of the game Dec 09 16:22:11 Meizirkki: yeah Dec 09 16:22:13 k Dec 09 16:22:16 Meizirkki: but i dont think it'll compile Dec 09 16:22:19 on armel just now Dec 09 16:23:58 Stskeeps, build us e17 Dec 09 16:24:00 :) Dec 09 16:24:38 lardman, how did gmp go? Dec 09 16:26:59 qwerty12: complied ok Dec 09 16:27:08 qwerty12: with fix from that buf Dec 09 16:27:10 bug Dec 09 16:27:12 cool Dec 09 16:27:21 am compiling Qalculate atm, at home Dec 09 16:27:40 gtk version? :) Dec 09 16:27:56 lib atm, then gtk version when I get back and start it Dec 09 16:28:01 all with vfp enabled Dec 09 16:28:06 nice, nice Dec 09 16:28:20 has taken a while as I've been compiling giac deps at the same time Dec 09 16:28:21 qwerty12: can you be coerced into a md5sum package? :P Dec 09 16:28:25 * qwerty12 enables vfp on everything now, blindly. I'm a bad person. Dec 09 16:28:30 Stskeeps, busy atm :/ Dec 09 16:28:32 k Dec 09 16:28:39 doesn't debian have one? Dec 09 16:28:51 s/debian/ubuntu or whatever Dec 09 16:28:56 part of coreutils i think Dec 09 16:29:09 which dialog mode is it that makes them movable? Dec 09 16:29:15 in mb Dec 09 16:29:20 free Dec 09 16:29:54 qwerty12, it should work Dec 09 16:30:02 nicer and faster Dec 09 16:30:04 turning off supermodal too is nice Dec 09 16:30:14 but not than arm optimized assemblay Dec 09 16:30:14 AStorm, yeah, that's why I do it, in the hope :) Dec 09 16:30:21 yep Dec 09 16:34:23 E: Build-Depends dependency for matchbox-window-manager-2 cannot be satisfied because the package libclutter-0.8-dev cannot be found Dec 09 16:34:26 damnit Dec 09 16:34:39 ooh la la Dec 09 16:35:40 * Stskeeps isnt sure libhildon is for the old matchbox Dec 09 16:36:03 libhildon is wm-neutral Dec 09 16:36:05 afaicr Dec 09 16:36:19 mm. Dec 09 16:52:32 curious question, qwerty12, in diablo, are the dialogs movable on the window contents with touch? Dec 09 16:52:41 with the movable dialogs thing Dec 09 16:52:49 not the title bar Dec 09 16:53:35 I can move a window by dragging from the area next to the ok & cancel buttons in hildon-desktop's select applets window Dec 09 16:53:46 ok Dec 09 16:54:10 cancel Dec 09 16:54:13 heh Dec 09 17:04:23 Meizirkki: how exactly does your hildon crash? Dec 09 17:24:49 Web browsing in android: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7232749278972911905 Dec 09 17:25:16 again, what's with the zoom.. Dec 09 17:25:56 * Stskeeps is quite considering the thought Meizirkki is a robot. Dec 09 17:26:00 it works pretty good Dec 09 17:26:05 (zoom) Dec 09 17:27:28 looks alright Dec 09 17:27:45 Stskeeps: the camera is mounted in stand (or whatever) Dec 09 17:27:48 ah Dec 09 17:29:43 i'm just glad to see the versatile nature of the devices :) Dec 09 17:29:58 but is android something you'd use on a daily basis if it was stable? Dec 09 17:30:10 maybe not Dec 09 17:30:23 multiboot? yes :P Dec 09 17:30:50 itT is pretty heavy page... i should have used something else to show scrolling. Dec 09 17:31:40 Stskeeps: My daily basics are something that can not be done in android :P Dec 09 17:31:46 alright Dec 09 17:33:17 * Stskeeps notes to himself mr. scruff is ideal to listen to when doing HCI excersises. Dec 09 17:35:29 hi what devices will be maemo 5 for? Dec 09 17:35:56 the next nokia device only, but backport effects of base packages is in progress. Dec 09 17:36:00 efforts Dec 09 17:36:03 by community Dec 09 17:36:14 and nokia is showing a good attitude towards helping out Dec 09 17:36:35 ok but is there any information about next devices somewhere? Dec 09 17:37:19 not yet Dec 09 17:37:22 there's hints laying about Dec 09 17:37:25 it will have 3g data though Dec 09 17:37:28 and omap3 Dec 09 17:37:44 nice Dec 09 17:43:12 * Meiz_n810 is still unable to get hildon-desktop start in Mer :( Dec 09 17:44:47 hmm, is there a chance to try out mer without having to flash a device, or dedicate a SD card to the task? Dec 09 17:45:07 yes, use immc? Dec 09 17:45:58 t_s_o: initfs flashing is needed (bootmenu), but i haven't made mer-in-a-file yet Dec 09 17:46:08 Meiz_n810: weird, mine worked fine Dec 09 17:46:13 t_s_o: try it on your computer? :P Dec 09 17:46:27 Stskeeps: i'll try to run it as a user Dec 09 17:46:30 Stskeeps: could you paste your bootmenu.conf in a pastebin ? Dec 09 17:46:38 disco_stu: i use my bootmenu item system Dec 09 17:46:46 right.. Dec 09 17:46:57 so what are you asking for then? ;) Dec 09 17:47:03 bootmenu.conf is a script in that, so :P Dec 09 17:47:11 i have a problem setting a menu item for flash Dec 09 17:48:00 immc? Dec 09 17:48:04 internal mmc Dec 09 17:48:12 jffs Dec 09 17:48:12 and you don't need to dedicate a mmc, just a partitio Dec 09 17:48:13 n Dec 09 17:49:01 disco_stu: you don't need to make .item for internal-flash Dec 09 17:49:23 t_s_o: i'll do a proper writeup to get the alpha in people's hands .. but for now i have a HCI excersise to focus on :P Dec 09 17:49:35 which i just want over with Dec 09 17:49:37 Meizirkki: i am not using the item system Dec 09 17:49:47 k Dec 09 17:49:54 Meizirkki: im editing bootmenu.conf manually Dec 09 17:50:00 Stskeeps: i own one of those "pesky" N800's ;) Dec 09 17:50:17 t_s_o: .. internal and external SD :P Dec 09 17:50:19 i have a n800 too Dec 09 17:50:26 hehe Dec 09 17:50:55 meh, maybe ill order myself a extra SD, just to have the main system cloned onto for emergencies... Dec 09 17:52:00 Meizirkki: it really wonders me your hildon fails to start - i just did an imager and it boots fine Dec 09 17:52:27 Maybe my fault... i made font size modifications into gtkrc Dec 09 17:52:31 that's possible Dec 09 17:52:54 Hey guys Dec 09 17:53:24 hi Dec 09 17:53:26 Stskeeps: now it just shows me left panel with nothing in it, and everything else it white Dec 09 17:53:38 ok.. might be because of gtkrc problem Dec 09 17:54:46 t_s_o: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/imager/files if you want to have a look around Dec 09 17:54:57 after clonning my os , when hildon starts i hear a guy talking Dec 09 17:55:02 wtf ? Dec 09 17:55:06 disco_stu: blame penguinbait Dec 09 17:55:17 how do i remove it ? Dec 09 17:55:25 disco_stu: http://pastebin.com/m25db576c Dec 09 17:55:31 my bootmenu.conf Dec 09 17:55:38 Meizirkki: thanks Dec 09 17:55:54 disco_stu: linus tolwards :P Dec 09 17:56:03 Meizirkki: i assume that's my bootmenu, just without loading the .items :P Dec 09 17:56:18 yep Dec 09 17:56:26 i dont want to hear that Dec 09 17:56:32 i have had a lot of problems with .item files Dec 09 17:56:42 fair enough, since you reflash so much Dec 09 17:56:49 :P Dec 09 17:57:41 * Stskeeps commits the mer-d945glclf2-fs-only target (no X yet in it) Dec 09 17:57:51 Stskeeps: even if i flash android kernel every day, i can just flash back the diablo:s kernel, it does not override diablo or even bootmenu :) Dec 09 17:57:56 yeah, true Dec 09 17:58:01 Stskeeps: do you know how to avoid the sound ? Dec 09 17:58:14 disco_stu: i suspect torturing penguinbait would do the trick Dec 09 17:58:34 disco_stu: delete the sound file :P Dec 09 17:59:00 dont know where it is Dec 09 17:59:07 use extreme earbuds Dec 09 17:59:16 2foot long with a metal tip Dec 09 17:59:54 disco_stu: it's in /isr/share/sounds i guess Dec 09 18:00:05 no Dec 09 18:00:08 it's not Dec 09 18:00:24 it was somewhere around root:s home directory Dec 09 18:02:22 what he did is a windows type of shit Dec 09 18:02:52 penguinbait or linus ? Dec 09 18:03:06 penguinbat.. putting that stupid sound Dec 09 18:03:31 did you find the file? Dec 09 18:03:43 not yet Dec 09 18:04:56 /root/.linux Dec 09 18:04:59 /root/.linus Dec 09 18:05:00 k Dec 09 18:05:13 900k Dec 09 18:05:35 the fucking wav Dec 09 18:06:33 pretty big... Dec 09 18:11:19 hi all Dec 09 18:11:29 hi Dec 09 18:12:03 i've a small problem with my n810.. can i ask here? Dec 09 18:12:19 of course Dec 09 18:12:22 :) Dec 09 18:13:13 my device had keyboard freeze after some idle time, and then, it reboot Dec 09 18:13:31 i checked the Rebootingissue on the wiki Dec 09 18:13:44 Stskeeps: i uninstalled plankton-theme, remover /usr/share/themes/plankton/, installed plankton back and hildon still won't start :( Dec 09 18:13:59 a sw_rst Dec 09 18:14:10 netvandal: have you checked itT? Dec 09 18:14:18 (internettablettalk.com) Dec 09 18:14:35 i've read of someone with similar issue Dec 09 18:14:43 but cannot find solution Dec 09 18:14:58 the only strange thing that i've found is in dmesg Dec 09 18:15:04 [ 52.140625] JFFS2 notice: (424) check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node at 0x0b7f030c: read 0x9a463a63, calculated 0xbeeb5144. Dec 09 18:15:16 but i'm not sure that is the problem Dec 09 18:15:42 Meizirkki: rm -rf .osso? Dec 09 18:15:48 in user library Dec 09 18:16:01 Stskeeps: i'll try Dec 09 18:17:02 er Dec 09 18:17:10 user home directory, or /root Dec 09 18:17:46 i'm gonna start hildon as user so i removed .osso in user home Dec 09 18:17:53 i'm the only one with that message in dmesg? it could be a device issue? Dec 09 18:18:36 Stskeeps: not working :( Dec 09 18:18:48 Meizirkki: reinstall and dont touch it at first, then start tinkering :P Dec 09 18:19:15 Stskeeps: if the imager has updates, can you pack me a tar.gz? :P Dec 09 18:20:47 get http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/bzr_1.10~rc1-1_armel.modfied.deb , take the files in http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/ and put in /usr/lib/python2.5 Dec 09 18:20:55 er, bzr/libz.tar.gz Dec 09 18:21:03 k Dec 09 18:21:04 (unpack, it's getpass.py, and tty.py) Dec 09 18:21:17 hehe, xchat highlighted :P Dec 09 18:21:22 and bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager Dec 09 18:21:27 netvandal: have you flashed it = Dec 09 18:21:28 and you can update with bzr pull Dec 09 18:21:28 ? Dec 09 18:21:39 netvandal: usual error when doing a crash i think Dec 09 18:21:45 yes Dec 09 18:21:45 if it lost some kind of data Dec 09 18:21:59 but if i do a clean reboot the error is stille there Dec 09 18:22:15 should fix itself eventually.. im not sure it's fatal Dec 09 18:22:27 i don't think it's fatal Dec 09 18:22:39 the device work correctly for hours... Dec 09 18:22:41 i would try reflashing Dec 09 18:23:05 but after some idle time..., randomly, it freeze the keyboard and then, after some minute eboot Dec 09 18:23:11 i just reflashed Dec 09 18:23:18 keeps doing it ? Dec 09 18:23:26 yes Dec 09 18:23:28 this evening i retry Dec 09 18:23:31 shit Dec 09 18:23:38 but i've done it more than one time Dec 09 18:24:19 is quite annoing Dec 09 18:24:27 you should check itt Dec 09 18:24:48 warranty? Dec 09 18:25:51 eventually Dec 09 18:26:52 is what i try to decide.... if send to repair or not Dec 09 18:31:57 hi there Dec 09 18:32:55 Stskeeps: maybe n800 target should be named to n8x0 target.. or is n800 target for n800 and n810 will come later? Dec 09 18:33:03 i'll have a n810 target too Dec 09 18:33:08 k Dec 09 18:33:09 cos of the GPS driver and keyboard and such Dec 09 18:33:15 for now they're similar Dec 09 18:33:22 ok Dec 09 18:36:23 and targets for nokia included binaries.. etc Dec 09 18:36:42 k Dec 09 18:36:46 o we have keyboard hardware mentioned anywhere? Dec 09 18:36:49 d Dec 09 18:37:12 yeah Dec 09 18:37:15 it does have a kbd Dec 09 18:37:21 phew! Dec 09 18:37:31 and a vibrator, for the kinky Dec 09 18:37:41 gives a new meaning to wet sd slot Dec 09 18:37:45 can at least test haptics :) Dec 09 18:38:07 yeah, a tiny vibration when you press a key on on screen :P Dec 09 18:38:29 i was thinking when you stroke and you go over a boundary but yeah thats the idea Dec 09 18:38:57 could do it using jagernotes but it would be less effective Dec 09 18:39:10 thanks to all, i go out and when i come back try to reflash... onother time... bye... Dec 09 18:42:18 * AStorm waits for n-future impatiently Dec 09 18:43:16 * lcuk twiddles astorms thumbs Dec 09 18:49:55 * Meizirkki is waiting for imager to install Mer impatiently Dec 09 18:50:28 Stskeeps: as soon as this works, i'll make that tar.gz-backup :P Dec 09 18:50:31 hehe Dec 09 18:52:26 * GAN800 sighs at trolls Dec 09 18:52:42 Hey GA Dec 09 18:52:56 Hi, andrewfblack Dec 09 18:53:38 GAN800: it's your authority-like nick that gives off a bad vibe ;) Dec 09 18:54:04 Stskeeps, maybe I should change to 'OMGPonies' Dec 09 18:54:16 or HelloMaemo Dec 09 18:54:19 With a Hello Kitty avatar Dec 09 18:54:39 GAN800 that would be so cute do it! Dec 09 18:54:58 I can't seem to post anymore without some jackass interjecting theie '2 cents' about 'tone'. <_< Dec 09 18:55:30 andrewfblack, we're switching bugzilla to a Hello Kitty theme for April Fool's. ;) Dec 09 18:56:12 GAN800 lol, wait I thought we always interjected our 2 cents about your tone. Dec 09 18:57:54 GAN800: quick question, you happen to know if the git maemo plans include per-user repos? Dec 09 18:58:08 Stskeeps, per Garage project Dec 09 18:58:22 ok, because per user is -very- useful in terms of publishing and such Dec 09 18:58:38 as you can then merge into the project one etc Dec 09 18:58:42 Stskeeps, mention it on the wiki page Dec 09 18:58:45 i will Dec 09 19:00:46 Well, andrewfblack, it's one thing if I'm actually being sarcastic, but way more obnoxious when I'm just trying to help somebody out. ;) Dec 09 19:03:04 ohh yeah I would never say anything if you are helping someone out. I just figured you was talking about one of your here is the search link posts. Come to think of it I havn't seen one of those in awhile Dec 09 19:03:07 you arent obnoxious GAN800, simply annoying and frustrating and short and terse and bitchslappy and grating and angry. though somehow none of that matters any more cos you smile in your forum avatar :D Dec 09 19:03:25 :P Dec 09 19:03:43 blah split Dec 09 19:03:43 omg, the wrath of GAN - he caused a netsplit Dec 09 19:04:05 lcuk, actually, you summed him up well Dec 09 19:04:06 andrewfblack, I just link wiki pages Dec 09 19:04:07 lcuk lol Dec 09 19:04:07 :ÃœPJ Dec 09 19:04:13 :P Dec 09 19:04:15 * AStorm hides Dec 09 19:04:23 GAN800, that smells of RTFM Dec 09 19:04:27 :D ive never thought of him like that Dec 09 19:04:51 AStorm, :roll: Dec 09 19:05:34 AStorm, you'd prefer I just cut'n'paste the whole fucking wiki page into a new post to every 'how do I boot from sd' post? Dec 09 19:05:47 GANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!! Dec 09 19:05:48 :> Dec 09 19:05:49 whoa Dec 09 19:05:51 The wiki's there to answer those unending questions. Dec 09 19:05:51 no Dec 09 19:06:06 yes, but more than just link Dec 09 19:06:11 GAN800: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Git_For_Garage#Per-user_git_repositories , i'm starting to have thoughts on how to use Garage for Mer teams, so Dec 09 19:06:18 you lot seen this? Dec 09 19:06:19 have a canned paste or sth :P Dec 09 19:06:24 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=45664 Dec 09 19:06:27 :) Dec 09 19:06:38 AStorm, feel free to step up and do it. Dec 09 19:06:46 lardman: SGX though? Dec 09 19:07:05 GAN800, far too busy usually to even read the forums Dec 09 19:07:30 AStorm, then don't tell how to do it. :) Dec 09 19:07:53 lardman, i get the feeling we will see the nokia pandora soon ;) Dec 09 19:07:56 I had my share of forum life a long time ago Dec 09 19:09:22 again Dec 09 19:09:58 expecting a server notice any time soon? :> Dec 09 19:23:56 Stskeeps, you wanna shoot for this Sunday or the next? Dec 09 19:24:26 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Dec 09 19:24:46 My poor little Ubuntu installation Dec 09 19:25:18 less ubuntu = more smarts :) Dec 09 19:25:37 :P Dec 09 19:26:00 less Windows = more smarts :) Dec 09 19:26:38 hehe Dec 09 19:26:41 that too Dec 09 19:26:50 unless it's 2008 Server Dec 09 19:26:55 Why does any Linux based SDK author thinks that he can use 1GB of my disk space? Dec 09 19:27:18 First Maemo SDK. Now Open-freaking-embedded Dec 09 19:27:20 RST38h, because they don't know about -Os Dec 09 19:27:52 also, glibc is a pig Dec 09 19:28:06 what's more, these are full chroots for some reason Dec 09 19:28:13 * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to punish puny penguin worshippers Dec 09 19:28:36 AStorm: I did not ask them for a full chroot. I asked them for a toolchain! Dec 09 19:28:54 qemu is not part of one... Dec 09 19:28:55 full chroots = little to no interference between environments? Dec 09 19:29:07 t_s_o, more or less Dec 09 19:29:17 and many times more space used Dec 09 19:29:18 :P Dec 09 19:29:19 then it may well be wroth it... Dec 09 19:29:26 no Dec 09 19:29:34 :) Dec 09 19:29:54 RST38h, anyway, to build a system, you need a lot of disk space Dec 09 19:32:36 AStorm: I do not need to build the fucking system Dec 09 19:32:42 Just develop applications for it Dec 09 19:32:57 Which btw brings a question: why does Ubuntu Linux image package 98MB in size Dec 09 19:33:06 s/does/is/ Dec 09 19:33:07 RST38h meant: Which btw brings a question: why is Ubuntu Linux image package 98MB in size Dec 09 19:33:08 RST38h, #or that you need a system Dec 09 19:33:16 *for Dec 09 19:33:25 AStorm: No. Just need a toolchain and a bunch of .h files Dec 09 19:33:32 rejoined :) Dec 09 19:33:35 wrong Dec 09 19:33:45 you need dependent libs Dec 09 19:33:46 have you chaps seen this?: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/pvr/ Dec 09 19:33:50 to link against Dec 09 19:33:57 AStorm: Ok. And a bunch of libs. Dec 09 19:34:29 including libc Dec 09 19:34:38 including libc Dec 09 19:34:47 now, clean crossdev toolchain takes 100 MB Dec 09 19:34:50 :P Dec 09 19:35:02 AStorm: But not 1GB, no? Dec 09 19:35:10 definitely Dec 09 19:35:23 adding a bunch of libs doesn't make it 1GB Dec 09 19:35:25 'cause that is how much OpenEmbedded just wanted to take Dec 09 19:35:31 unless it's 200 MB of X Dec 09 19:35:45 * RST38h is uninstalling OpenOffice and Evolution as we speak Dec 09 19:36:08 AStorm: There is no 200MB in X libs and headers. Dec 09 19:36:27 really? check it :> Dec 09 19:36:40 >100 MB afaicr Dec 09 19:37:03 qt takes 30 MB Dec 09 19:37:21 python 15 Dec 09 19:37:38 :> Dec 09 19:39:22 AStorm: That must be with KDE/GNOME/QT/GTK libs Dec 09 19:39:34 and I do not need any of those, my target device has got 320x240 screen Dec 09 19:39:34 nah Dec 09 19:39:46 In fact, screw X, gimme fb Dec 09 19:39:59 directfb could use more work Dec 09 19:40:37 GeneralAntilles, this sunday ideally Dec 09 19:41:03 Wee - finally have the debian kernel on my n800 Dec 09 19:41:30 which version and how? Dec 09 19:41:34 Did not realize all the applications and the UI would remain mostly the same. Dec 09 19:49:56 StsN800: how can I install newer Mer? Dec 09 19:51:33 solca: goto qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr Dec 09 19:51:40 install the deb Dec 09 19:52:05 Meiz_n810: on maemo right? Dec 09 19:52:10 untar libz.tar.gz to /usr/lib/python2.5 Dec 09 19:52:11 yes Dec 09 19:52:40 ok Dec 09 19:53:00 btw solca, your latest android works really great! Dec 09 19:53:51 Meiz_n810: really? I didn't test it much as I discover some new wifi driver bugs Dec 09 19:54:56 m-c-: hmm? Dec 09 19:55:25 Meiz_n810: I saw on the G1 faq that scanning works, I always use it manually configured Dec 09 19:55:45 Meiz_n810: do you see the scanning or you enter it manually? Dec 09 19:58:33 solca: manually Dec 09 19:59:30 suihkulokki: I was hoping the debian install would aid in ogg file playback, but I see now that it is actually using much of the same original front end. I was misinformed by the original person telling me about the project. Dec 09 20:00:30 Interesting project none-the-less. Would be great if the N800 could eventually share in the same efforts that go into the debian project. Dec 09 20:02:18 Meiz_n810: any wishes apart from wifi scanning (which I'm currently working)? Dec 09 20:02:21 And this seems like it would get the nokia hardware drivers upstream. Has that been really done yet? Dec 09 20:02:45 Good luck with you own projects. Dec 09 20:11:24 hi qgil Dec 09 20:11:58 hi mr lardman :) Dec 09 20:15:19 brr. cold outside Dec 09 20:15:28 what is tribal fusion? Dec 09 20:15:38 ~lart them whatever they are for slowing down itt Dec 09 20:15:39 * infobot hauls them whatever they are up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles for slowing down itt Dec 09 20:18:55 lardman: banner stuff maybe Dec 09 20:19:16 yeah, some sort of advert stuff I imagine Dec 09 20:19:20 soon to be gone :) Dec 09 20:20:21 qwerty12_N800: you about? Dec 09 20:20:32 have compiled Qalculate, not tested yet mind you Dec 09 20:21:09 lardman, hehe, fingers crossed that we don't get a segfault ;) Dec 09 20:21:16 any C++ debugging gurus about?: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1dd5529c Dec 09 20:21:18 qwerty12_N800: yeah :( Dec 09 20:22:18 lardman, is this your own code or just building? Dec 09 20:22:29 just building xcas/giac Dec 09 20:23:16 you *still* use a chinook target? :P Dec 09 20:23:19 cos it says theres no valid constructor for passing a pointer to, you need to pass by reference or whatever its called Dec 09 20:24:07 qwerty12_N800: me? Dec 09 20:24:10 I don;t think so Dec 09 20:24:15 lcuk: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/pvr/ Dec 09 20:24:23 qwerty12_N800: or am I? Dec 09 20:24:50 qwerty12_N800: I finished untaring libz.tar and dpkg -i , now what? Dec 09 20:24:59 lardman, hehe, it says chinook_armel. unless you went dist-upgrade route from chinook sdk to diablo :) Dec 09 20:25:14 bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager Dec 09 20:25:14 yes I did Dec 09 20:25:16 , solca Dec 09 20:25:38 Stskeeps: do I need a partition or somethin? Dec 09 20:25:41 solca, i don't know, i just told you that as far as the bzr packages go because they were a quick hack of mine :) Dec 09 20:25:43 qwerty12_N800: ah good, was worried for a mo there Dec 09 20:25:57 solca: yes Dec 09 20:26:11 solca: this is just the imager scripts for now, you run it with sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /TARGETDIRECTORY Dec 09 20:26:21 where targetdirectory is a ext2/ext3 partition somewhere Dec 09 20:26:31 lcuk: what does this mean?: giac::ref_mpz_t::ref_mpz_t(const __mpz_struct (&)[1]) Dec 09 20:26:48 what is the command to pack up a tar.bz2 ? Dec 09 20:27:04 tar -jxf Dec 09 20:27:05 er Dec 09 20:27:06 jcf Dec 09 20:27:07 ok, step by step plz :) first: bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager Dec 09 20:27:18 the & is (ifiak) reference and is different to (*) pointer Dec 09 20:27:34 solca: did you use imager before / debootstrap on tablet / had deblet installing on it Dec 09 20:27:36 next: sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs / Dec 09 20:27:37 ? Dec 09 20:27:55 Stskeeps: I have never used imager before Dec 09 20:27:59 k Dec 09 20:28:09 I installed deblet with the GUI installer Dec 09 20:28:38 os more easy, is there a tar somewhere? Dec 09 20:28:40 then you need md5sum from .. http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/installer/deblet-installer/usr/libexec/deblet/md5sum , put it in /bin and +x it Dec 09 20:29:04 wget "http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/installer/deblet-installer/usr/libexec/deblet/md5sum" Dec 09 20:29:12 yeah, it's more easy, and no tar yet, i would prefer people to get used to playing with imager as it is a bitch throwing about tar.gz's :P Dec 09 20:29:13 lcuk: this code never compiles correctly, really annoying Dec 09 20:29:13 oops sorry... :P Dec 09 20:29:24 lardman, is it the version of gcc? Dec 09 20:29:26 solca: :) Dec 09 20:29:33 lcuk: perhaps Dec 09 20:29:48 what was the build system originally? or dont you know Dec 09 20:29:55 Stskeeps: md5sum done Dec 09 20:30:08 supposed to work on every thing from 2.95 to 4.2.0 Dec 09 20:30:11 and get debootstrap from .. Dec 09 20:30:20 http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10ubuntu1_all.deb Dec 09 20:30:38 done Dec 09 20:30:46 (dpkg -i it) and then run the imager :P Dec 09 20:31:00 it'll start cooking up the fs then Dec 09 20:31:09 dpkg -i done Dec 09 20:31:15 run the imager? Dec 09 20:31:18 yeah Dec 09 20:31:28 sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs / Dec 09 20:31:54 and what about: bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager Dec 09 20:32:02 do it first Dec 09 20:32:06 yeah Dec 09 20:32:10 which one? Dec 09 20:32:13 that gets you the imager directory Dec 09 20:32:15 the bzr branch Dec 09 20:32:20 ahh Dec 09 20:32:33 that in maemo fs right? Dec 09 20:33:06 bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager Dec 09 20:33:15 oops again! sorry... Dec 09 20:33:30 * solca still is tired... Dec 09 20:33:34 * lardman goes to test Qalculate! Dec 09 20:34:37 yeah, in maemo fs Dec 09 20:34:39 imager Dec 09 20:34:50 I can't find imager Dec 09 20:35:16 I must +x imager/imager ? Dec 09 20:35:59 cd imager; sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /TARGET Dec 09 20:36:09 qwerty12_N800: *sigh* same old Dec 09 20:36:18 lardman, :( Dec 09 20:36:20 qwerty12_N800: will see what I can work out though Dec 09 20:36:26 cool Dec 09 20:36:59 later though, will get into trouble, been on computer too long :) Dec 09 20:37:35 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m2e245a72 Dec 09 20:41:42 lardman: Qalculate? =)~~~ Dec 09 20:42:04 solca: mer-n800-fs-only, sorry Dec 09 20:42:59 it's downloading stuff... Dec 09 20:43:05 yeah, that'll take a while Dec 09 20:43:06 :P Dec 09 20:43:12 it's bootstrapping the system Dec 09 20:43:39 is the new ubuntu arm support? Dec 09 20:43:53 yeah, it's based on ubuntu jaunty arm Dec 09 20:44:53 directly from ubuntu? or the others guy? Dec 09 20:45:03 mojo Dec 09 20:45:04 directly from ubuntu Dec 09 20:45:08 mojo we used to use Dec 09 20:45:40 cool, this wil be ubuntu 9.04 right? Dec 09 20:45:44 yea Dec 09 20:45:49 based on, but butchered a bit Dec 09 20:46:19 then it needs a typical deblet bootmenu with a typical deblet .item :P Dec 09 20:46:31 and the fremantle stuff on top of ubuntu? Dec 09 20:46:52 using the normal maemo kernel right? Dec 09 20:47:49 solca: yeah, the mer-n800-onlyfs uses diablo kernel modules (for now) Dec 09 20:47:57 fairly easy to make new targets though Dec 09 20:48:58 Stskeeps: and this fetches the Mer debs (based on fremantle I pressume) too ? Dec 09 20:49:01 yeah Dec 09 20:49:16 libhildon and hildon-control-panel and the things we picked up from svn already Dec 09 20:49:27 turns out they were similar to fremantle packages in many cases Dec 09 20:50:04 oh ship! Dec 09 20:50:42 i started to code something but i picked up vb instead :'( Dec 09 20:50:51 Stskeeps: and what w'll you use for updating? plain apt-get ? Dec 09 20:51:00 solca: for now, apt-get, yeah Dec 09 20:51:08 for now? Dec 09 20:51:24 well the idea of SSU's isn't -that- bad Dec 09 20:51:51 what is SSU? Dec 09 20:52:01 seamless software updates Dec 09 20:52:05 the maemo updates Dec 09 20:52:06 a front end to apt-get Dec 09 20:52:11 but it uses apt Dec 09 20:52:25 yeah Dec 09 20:52:32 apt sucks for this type of aplications Dec 09 20:52:39 I would prefer an image based upgrade Dec 09 20:52:44 based on rsync Dec 09 20:52:57 yeah, but that's bound to die with tinkering even worse Dec 09 20:54:20 so Dec 09 20:54:54 Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745 Dec 09 20:55:43 solca: \o/ Dec 09 20:56:02 that's brilliant news Dec 09 20:56:25 the system works! Dec 09 20:56:29 haha Dec 09 20:58:39 Stskeeps: apt-get install sucks too, there is too much overhead Dec 09 20:58:47 Stskeeps: an image based installer will be fast Dec 09 20:59:38 solca: for initial setup, yes Dec 09 21:00:07 i agree on that part, but for now, we need to do quick edits, and we don't have the infrastructure to throw around 256mb images.. Dec 09 21:00:11 and update them constantly Dec 09 21:00:42 an image updater just will update the newer bits Dec 09 21:00:51 not the whole thing Dec 09 21:01:04 will waste less b/w too Dec 09 21:01:15 and much _much_ faster than anything Dec 09 21:01:20 .. the newer bits = same thing as package updating.. :) Dec 09 21:01:28 Stskeeps: nope Dec 09 21:01:55 ok, so you want to make the flash R/O and changes on mmc? :P Dec 09 21:02:00 and update the flash? :P Dec 09 21:02:23 because package based is the whole files + scripts, image updating just changes the changed files Dec 09 21:02:25 xdelta? Dec 09 21:02:30 is much simpler and efficient Dec 09 21:02:34 AStorm: exactly Dec 09 21:02:37 just deltas Dec 09 21:02:45 solca: ok, fair enough, but also recipe for disaster Dec 09 21:02:45 :P Dec 09 21:02:53 :) Dec 09 21:02:54 alternatively, diff :> Dec 09 21:02:59 hehe, nspeed in extras-devel is fun; even if hard to control :) Dec 09 21:03:09 Stskeeps, nah, it is like a full flash Dec 09 21:03:15 Stskeeps: with proper checksumming is ok Dec 09 21:03:20 you patch original image with it Dec 09 21:03:27 yup Dec 09 21:03:37 xdelta does checksums Dec 09 21:03:54 ok. its jffs2. there's no way we're going to know where the files are after the user touches it. Dec 09 21:04:09 AStorm: does it uses rsync? Dec 09 21:04:09 exactly Dec 09 21:04:14 no Dec 09 21:04:21 it is binary patcher Dec 09 21:04:32 Stskeeps: it doesnt matter if it is jffs2 Dec 09 21:04:38 use it for patching old image files Dec 09 21:04:41 you changing the file not the filesystem :P Dec 09 21:04:55 ah Dec 09 21:05:01 for that, csup is good Dec 09 21:05:16 ok, but a firmware image also includes config files and crap. :P Dec 09 21:05:17 freebsd uses that for ports Dec 09 21:05:26 and if we're going to do this sanely, we'll end up with dpkg anyway. Dec 09 21:05:32 this, or some other git Dec 09 21:05:38 Stskeeps: it doesnt matter, it will transfer just the changes in the config files for example Dec 09 21:05:43 those can be used for upgrades Dec 09 21:06:07 although tree will grow huge with time, so redo it every ondce and then Dec 09 21:06:09 Stskeeps: nope dpkg works totally different Dec 09 21:06:38 have you seen its conffiles handling lately? Dec 09 21:07:01 and if md5sum is similar of two binary files, dont bother updating Dec 09 21:07:35 Stskeeps, read gentoos etc-update Dec 09 21:07:39 md5 collision is hard to probe, but if that is a concern sha2 could be used Dec 09 21:07:39 do it that way Dec 09 21:07:55 AStorm: i've been an freebsd user for many years. i know how this works Dec 09 21:08:01 yup Dec 09 21:08:04 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897#c11 is an interesting answer Dec 09 21:08:13 just blacklist config files Dec 09 21:08:42 qgil: sure xorg contains a omapfb driver? i think it's just xorg framework Dec 09 21:08:46 Stskeeps: is package based too as far as I remember Dec 09 21:08:52 in pre-alpha Dec 09 21:09:08 (or i haven't looked closely enough) Dec 09 21:09:15 if you have Xorg questions I'm not the kind of person to have the answers Dec 09 21:09:24 AStorm: binary deltas is like normal source patches, it just changes "the differences" _in_a_file_ Dec 09 21:09:32 qgil: yeah, was just your comment in the bug :) Dec 09 21:09:48 solca: build a system on top of apt that does binary deltas of deb packages.. same result Dec 09 21:10:14 I just found funny that someone answers to his enhancment request saying that he's going to buy another device - has the G1 mouse support at least? Dec 09 21:10:29 qgil: if you buy a developer license and everything.. maybe Dec 09 21:10:53 solca, yes Dec 09 21:11:13 hehehe Dec 09 21:11:37 solca: for imager, youd need a binary delta against the filesystem, not just files Dec 09 21:11:48 funny, as n8x0 can support mice with just a tiny bit of work Dec 09 21:12:03 Stskeeps: not factible as you would need generating deltas agains all packages versions Dec 09 21:12:16 that being driver + visible pointer Dec 09 21:12:39 solca: we'd need to anyhow.. in any case, i think the apt+dpkg system is "sane enough" (i don't always agree with it), for the purpose we have Dec 09 21:12:57 i mean, debian hasn't keeled over and died cos of it, and it has done some pretty big release updates.. Dec 09 21:13:33 whereas i have seen gentoo keel over .. several times Dec 09 21:13:48 but im not going into a distribution discussion :) Dec 09 21:14:04 why not? you could go on forever :) Dec 09 21:14:05 Stskeeps: you are right, apt-get is proved against anything hehe Dec 09 21:14:19 it is an advantage for Mer to be similar with regards to apt/dpkg, towards upstream, which has a strong debian package connection Dec 09 21:14:26 suihkulokki: yes, and i have other things to do the rest of my life ;) Dec 09 21:15:26 Stskeeps: in other news deboostrap is unpacking... Dec 09 21:15:39 Stskeeps, gentoo had problems when the bugs were found in etc-update... a long long time ago Dec 09 21:15:41 solca: yes, it takes ages Dec 09 21:16:17 AStorm: and there's similar etc-update things for dpkg.. when there's edited a conffile, it asks on upgrade similar to freebsd/gentoo Dec 09 21:16:44 yes Dec 09 21:17:02 ok, back to wiki editing :P Dec 09 21:17:34 heck, I use that part of dpkg almost daily :> Dec 09 21:17:44 So , my n810 has developed some update problems. Anyone else have packages that won't update? Dec 09 21:18:00 jeward: verify you don't have extras-devel and sdk in your repositories Dec 09 21:18:08 Checking. Dec 09 21:18:14 or tools, for that sake Dec 09 21:18:26 tools should work :> Dec 09 21:18:40 ideally :P Dec 09 21:19:57 Stskeeps: Maemo extras okay? Dec 09 21:20:03 jeward: should be Dec 09 21:20:35 Stskeeps: Test maemo Extras? Dec 09 21:20:41 Er, Testing Dec 09 21:21:04 sounds like extras-devel? :P Dec 09 21:21:12 ... Dec 09 21:21:25 Should I get rid of it and try updating again? Dec 09 21:21:32 can't harm :) Dec 09 21:21:32 extras-devel has a known update bug Dec 09 21:21:49 jeward testing extras is extras-devel Dec 09 21:21:52 remove that Dec 09 21:22:43 Removed and trying to update again. Dec 09 21:23:34 jeward, would you stop trying to update, you keep breaking my internet Dec 09 21:23:35 split town :P Dec 09 21:23:46 :) Dec 09 21:23:53 :P Dec 09 21:23:58 My n810 is ALL powerful! Dec 09 21:25:29 caught ups Dec 09 21:25:38 I also have a bunch of repositories that won't refresh, I should delete them too? Dec 09 21:25:53 Stskeeps: do I neef to grab a fresher imager before I kick off on a 770? Dec 09 21:26:15 r2d2rogers: nop, havent touched it since last really Dec 09 21:26:22 it should install now Dec 09 21:27:24 * Stskeeps curses wikis and tab closing Dec 09 21:27:54 cool Dec 09 21:27:59 thank you Dec 09 21:28:28 solca: i guess i won't have to tell you about the rescue menu to active console? (only way for X to work atm) Dec 09 21:28:44 * r2d2rogers wishes he had not left his bt keyboard at home, or at least, that the backdoor tunnel via ssh would work right on his 770 Dec 09 21:29:10 stupid work firewall and non-working internal WLAN Dec 09 21:29:34 Some application packages required for the update are missing. (libdb4.2) Dec 09 21:29:50 lobglade2-0 Dec 09 21:29:55 Er. lib Dec 09 21:30:01 makedev Dec 09 21:30:10 Operating System Dec 09 21:30:37 Stskeeps: understood, it just finished... Dec 09 21:30:49 and the rejoin :) Dec 09 21:31:15 qgil: not enough time spent on irc ;) Dec 09 21:31:19 Do those three sound familiar to anyone with regard to upgrade issues? Dec 09 21:32:28 libdb sounds like one Dec 09 21:32:47 Which repo should I try deleting next? Dec 09 21:33:08 Stskeeps: and when fremantle get released, Mer base will be ubuntu or fremantle based? Dec 09 21:33:36 jeward, disabled anything not nokia or maemo.org specific Dec 09 21:33:41 -d Dec 09 21:33:42 Okie. Dec 09 21:33:45 solca: well technically it's both.. the idea of mer is also to reconstruct the system Dec 09 21:33:50 seems the most logical approach initially Dec 09 21:34:05 and see what we can do as community if we had our hands free to do what needs to be done Dec 09 21:34:59 solca: .. that's a pet peeve of mine, and one of my motivations for being in this Dec 09 21:35:37 i don't want it to be ubuntu, i want it to be whatever upstream mangled to work well with mobile devices.. and have a sane ability towards porting from desktop distributions :) Dec 09 21:35:56 ok, I though we were using ubuntu base because fremantle packages were not ready Dec 09 21:35:57 and i think a child of ubuntu and fremantle will do that trick Dec 09 21:36:21 right Dec 09 21:36:23 no, the maemo reconstructed thoughts came before starting to think about fremantle sdk that much :P Dec 09 21:36:43 now we just have an increased purpose, so Dec 09 21:37:39 well, I had the wrong perception that Mer was a repacking of fremantle for n8x0 devices Dec 09 21:37:57 solca: depends what you define as fremantle really Dec 09 21:38:26 fremantle: as packages published by nokia Dec 09 21:38:40 mer = fremantle for n8x00 Dec 09 21:38:51 but that's inacurate Dec 09 21:39:06 my goal is mer is the maemo reconstructed idea, with fremantle packages taken in where it makes sense Dec 09 21:39:12 and some things changed based on community need Dec 09 21:39:25 Stskeeps: thats pretty cool! Dec 09 21:39:39 but this is just my own personal thoughts, we'll discuss harder when we have the first meeting :P Dec 09 21:39:58 k Dec 09 21:41:11 Okay, now I still have 3 problem packages: makedev, libglade2-0 and libdb4.2 Dec 09 21:41:14 Any ideas? Dec 09 21:41:18 tools? Dec 09 21:41:39 Application packages missing all end in osso? Dec 09 21:42:21 Stskeeps: What do you mean: tools? Dec 09 21:42:33 tools repository or something Dec 09 21:42:38 brb Dec 09 21:42:39 Checking. Dec 09 21:42:42 What os version is your device? Chinook or Diablo? Dec 09 21:42:50 Diablo. Dec 09 21:43:18 wouldnt they do fremantle hacker edition, ? lol Dec 09 21:43:26 why is everyone saying no n8xx support Dec 09 21:43:33 Maemo Hackers? Dec 09 21:43:33 jeward, Do any of your distribution lines in app mgr's catalogues contain the word chinook? Dec 09 21:43:38 Maemo CJK? Dec 09 21:43:44 Yes. Dec 09 21:43:50 Delete the Chinooks? Dec 09 21:43:54 disable them Dec 09 21:44:07 or delete them if you wish Dec 09 21:44:08 zakkm: not sane financially, and HE was done by idle nokia employees Dec 09 21:44:12 afaik Dec 09 21:44:32 that would so suck then Dec 09 21:44:39 is it definite fremantle wont work? Dec 09 21:44:45 it looks like a CE version is more likely this time :) Dec 09 21:44:47 i bought my nokia hoping for fremantle, though diablo was new too Dec 09 21:44:57 yes, but that's what Mer is for.. bringing the fremantle parts to n8x0 Dec 09 21:44:58 my old 770 didnt like bora/chinook well :P lol Dec 09 21:45:03 .. and for other purposes Dec 09 21:45:22 Okay, that got rid of makedev, Dec 09 21:45:30 you know the n800, it has a 3d uhh card right? Dec 09 21:45:39 Down to: libglade2-0, libdb4.2. Dec 09 21:45:39 why would anyone buy a device now to use on updated hardware - if you knew enough to know what fremantle was you would have known also the spec upgrades expected Dec 09 21:45:40 hardware acceleration, but no software Dec 09 21:45:42 zakkm: which we don't have drives for.. Dec 09 21:45:42 :P Dec 09 21:45:44 yes Dec 09 21:45:45 drivers Dec 09 21:45:49 but wouldnt it be in fremantle sdk? Dec 09 21:45:53 or fremantle release Dec 09 21:45:56 nop, different chip, Dec 09 21:46:03 ours is a MBX, theirs is a SGX Dec 09 21:46:06 cant someone like edit to to fit? Dec 09 21:46:06 or no? Dec 09 21:46:15 we'll see i guess Dec 09 21:46:15 oh okay, just wondering Dec 09 21:46:33 so the fremantle release basically means nothing to n8xx users? :P Dec 09 21:46:43 oh, it means a lot of things to us Dec 09 21:46:55 go read iTT, quite a heated up discussion, but a lot of interesting points too Dec 09 21:47:02 i saw the uhh Dec 09 21:47:07 main topic, but i havnet had time to read posts yet Dec 09 21:47:14 i saw it on engadget originally Dec 09 21:47:18 and it pointed to maemo.org Dec 09 21:47:39 almost exactly one year now for me :) Dec 09 21:47:56 but anyway, we've gotten a invitation from nokia that is quite unseen in open source circles Dec 09 21:48:05 when dealing with vendor OS'es Dec 09 21:48:15 unseen as in, a very bloody nice thing Dec 09 21:48:35 they sell out so fast Dec 09 21:48:43 the tablets Dec 09 21:48:58 i want a rx-51/n900 just so i can drool over it Dec 09 21:48:59 :P Dec 09 21:49:12 nokia:: PLEASE supply bibs and drip trays Dec 09 21:49:29 :D Dec 09 21:49:36 n900 is it ? Dec 09 21:49:39 like officially Dec 09 21:49:40 dunno Dec 09 21:49:48 rx-51 appears to be the model number Dec 09 21:49:56 or maybe just a devel board Dec 09 21:50:18 * rx-51: added waterproofing to case Dec 09 21:50:29 hehe Dec 09 21:50:31 Okay, now all I have is a 0kb Operating System update that never goes away. Dec 09 21:50:37 that's fine Dec 09 21:50:38 Should I just reflash it? Dec 09 21:50:41 Oh, okay. Dec 09 21:50:42 GeneralAntilles: one bug for all the inappropriate @maemo.org addresses is enough, don't you think? Dec 09 21:50:58 What repos SHOULD I have minimally? Dec 09 21:51:08 All I have now are Nokia. Dec 09 21:51:38 then all is good :) nokia default tableteer ones as well as maemo.org diablo extras is most ideal for users Dec 09 21:52:20 once you go off the beaten track and start adding extra repos you run into conflicts like you encountered Dec 09 21:52:37 lcuk: Where can I find the info to rebuild my repo list? Dec 09 21:53:00 * jeward followed some article and added everything under the sun. Dec 09 21:53:16 mm, extras is all you need, and optionally extras-devel, these days Dec 09 21:53:19 and nokia repos Dec 09 21:53:20 that article needs flushing down the toilet :) Dec 09 21:53:38 maemo.org repo? Dec 09 21:53:57 Do I populate it from cliking on links? I don't remember. Dec 09 21:53:59 lcuk: whats maemo.org repo? Dec 09 21:54:16 i just have the default + extras enabled and extras-devel Dec 09 21:54:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Dec 09 21:54:43 how much do you guys think the rx-51 will cost? Dec 09 21:54:48 no Dec 09 21:54:54 -devel shouldnt be used by default Dec 09 21:55:15 it is for me Dec 09 21:55:18 it always is Dec 09 21:55:28 just like i use sid for debian, and stuff Dec 09 21:55:39 and nightly's for browsers ;p Dec 09 21:55:54 then you know how to handle yourself - i wasnt talking to you :P Dec 09 21:56:06 oh sorry Dec 09 21:56:25 Okay, got maemo extras. Dec 09 21:56:30 lcuk: still no luck on the pdf support for liqbase? Dec 09 21:56:35 my fault actually - i thought i was still chattin to jeward.. Dec 09 21:56:50 I'm listening. :-) Dec 09 21:56:56 Whoa, lots of updates now! Dec 09 21:57:45 I think my updates have been broken a while. :-) Dec 09 21:57:57 zakkm, ive got nothing right now on device. im rebuilding a lot of stuff which i threw up whilst learning, ive knocked it down to give me an even stronger base (which will also make it easier to have 2 branches - diablo+fremantle) :) Dec 09 21:58:30 fremantle is so far away though ;p Dec 09 21:58:43 Uhoh, the libdb4.2 is back. :( Dec 09 21:59:10 Seems to be part of claws? Dec 09 21:59:15 zakkm, if i leave it as it is i cannto do what i really want: add transparent rotation support Dec 09 21:59:26 Now libxml2. Dec 09 21:59:35 transparent rotation support? Dec 09 22:00:25 yes, i want my tablet oriented the other way - ive wanted it for a while but i made a big cockup at the start and it was difficult to make it work without having to hard code every bit in Dec 09 22:00:43 jeward, dont know much about the nokia's debian/maemo but would using apt-get versus application manager.. help? Dec 09 22:00:57 this sounds like apt-get tbh Dec 09 22:01:32 tbh? Dec 09 22:01:38 to be honest Dec 09 22:01:42 to be honest Dec 09 22:01:49 lcuk, does liqbase check the contents of the cpu scripts? i edited the powersave script to run transset-df but liqbase refuses to run it :/. is this some industrial strength security system :p? Dec 09 22:02:06 Meaning I should try apt-get instead? Dec 09 22:02:13 jeward: yes Dec 09 22:02:16 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Dec 09 22:02:19 no Dec 09 22:02:21 AOK, as soon as this finishes. Dec 09 22:02:29 its probably a user permisionns thing now Dec 09 22:02:35 lcuk: should jeward try apt-get -f install ... ? Dec 09 22:02:38 cos you will have edited it and saved as root or something Dec 09 22:02:39 k, thanks Dec 09 22:02:39 sounds like it might help Dec 09 22:02:48 Edited what as root? Dec 09 22:02:52 hi i am back. to those that i told about the flickr Mojo at mojocafe.net this afternoon, i just would like to thank and inform you that i changed the flickr mojo like you asked to. You can now enter a word at the start and will then be presented with the proper images. thanks again for your support! Dec 09 22:02:55 zakkm, i wouldnt have the foggiest Dec 09 22:03:07 jeward: do "sudo apt-get install -f" Dec 09 22:03:09 ahh Dec 09 22:03:13 Will do. Dec 09 22:03:23 jeward: "sudo gainroot && apt-get install -f" Dec 09 22:03:28 or is it -f install? Dec 09 22:03:33 lcuk, it's in /usr/bin, i have no choice but to edit as root (but chown user:uses would work too I guess) Dec 09 22:04:13 qwerty12_N800, i run "sudo liqbase-cpu-XXXXX" and since last time i tried that as root it moaned at me thats the only thing i can think ok Dec 09 22:04:49 qwerty12_N800: school-boy error Dec 09 22:04:54 to all blind users leading other blind users doing apt-get update thingies: take bloody care. jeward watch yourself and read up before you go any further Dec 09 22:04:58 fair enough :) Dec 09 22:05:04 lardman, :p Dec 09 22:05:10 qwerty12_N800: one-line fix to the problem Dec 09 22:05:13 "can think of" Dec 09 22:05:19 lcuk: I administer debian for a living. ;-) Dec 09 22:05:21 lol Dec 09 22:05:31 lcuk: i asked you first, you had no idea ;p but yeah Dec 09 22:05:36 no apt-get remove kernel** :P Dec 09 22:05:38 qwerty12_N800: I was talking about Qalculate btw Dec 09 22:05:46 zakkm, i didnt try to send him down the command path tho :P Dec 09 22:05:59 lardman, ah! Dec 09 22:06:00 jeward, then why so many questions :P Dec 09 22:06:14 lardman, nice work master lardman Dec 09 22:06:14 lcuk: Cause I don't want to have to reflash it? :-) Dec 09 22:06:25 * zakkm goes to high school for his living :P Dec 09 22:06:28 then administer it Dec 09 22:06:31 * jeward is hoping someone knows more than he does. Dec 09 22:07:36 * qwerty12_N800 goes to update the debianisations of kismet on his tablet... Dec 09 22:07:39 do i finish what i started lastnight and write a quick desktop server host for liqbase : in vb Dec 09 22:07:55 waaa vb waaa Dec 09 22:08:02 SLAP Dec 09 22:08:18 OW Dec 09 22:08:26 :D Dec 09 22:08:27 Oh this is funny. Dec 09 22:08:31 :p Dec 09 22:08:37 gtk_window_set_default_icon_from_file() causes the problem Dec 09 22:08:42 my kid keeps drawing in liqbase on my nokia, thanks to the liqbase-desktop he does it no more ;p Dec 09 22:08:50 It says to do "apt-get auto-remove" and then says auto-remove is an invalid operation. :-) Dec 09 22:09:12 theres a flag auto-remove? Dec 09 22:09:12 liqbase-desktop? ahh the qwerty thing Dec 09 22:09:23 you said quick desktop server host ? Dec 09 22:09:30 i thought you mean vnc'ing the nokia, to control liqbase Dec 09 22:09:31 sorry ;p Dec 09 22:09:38 jeward, apt-get autoremove Dec 09 22:09:51 right Debian gurus, how do I create a Packages file? Dec 09 22:09:59 lol zakkm, i mean having my sketches float up the screen from all connected hosts as they are drawn Dec 09 22:10:02 lardman, extras! Dec 09 22:10:05 and pulled into clouds Dec 09 22:10:08 lardman: apt-ftparchive maybe Dec 09 22:10:14 or reprepro Dec 09 22:10:16 (sp) Dec 09 22:10:21 qwerty12_N800: all in the fullness ;) Dec 09 22:10:30 qwerty12_N800: Thanks! Dec 09 22:10:31 heh Dec 09 22:10:44 qwerty12_N800: do I have to put my email address in, or does the builder do it for me automatically? Dec 09 22:11:22 lardman, you have to do it yourself Dec 09 22:11:35 right Dec 09 22:11:40 lardman: easiest way is dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz Dec 09 22:11:48 thanks suihkulokki Dec 09 22:11:56 lardman, i assume you mean in files like debian/control changelog etc Dec 09 22:11:59 assuming you just have a few debs in dir . Dec 09 22:12:01 qwerty12_N800: I'll put up a temporary repo, don't tell GeneralAntilles Dec 09 22:12:09 suihkulokki: yep, thanks :) Dec 09 22:12:21 lardman, hehe, you pinged him :O Dec 09 22:12:28 damn! ;) Dec 09 22:13:12 ok, for everyone interested in Mer project structure.. here's a raw sketch: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Project_Draft , - i'd love any sort of constructive comment Dec 09 22:13:22 and it's not final in -any- way, just proposals Dec 09 22:13:31 Stskeeps, IT SUCKS! :P :D Dec 09 22:13:37 All better! :-) Dec 09 22:13:41 Thanks Guys! Dec 09 22:13:47 constructive enough? :p Dec 09 22:14:07 Stskeeps: working on a platform file for the 770 now Dec 09 22:14:11 r2d2rogers: alright Dec 09 22:14:40 mer_installer/platforms/nokia-770 missing line 6 of imager script Dec 09 22:14:41 What do you guys think of Andoir? Dec 09 22:14:45 Er, Andoird? Dec 09 22:14:50 Android even. Dec 09 22:15:05 RST38h: hmm? Dec 09 22:15:08 er Dec 09 22:15:10 r2d2rogers: hmm? Dec 09 22:15:42 Stskeeps: sorry, error in line 6 of the imager script, missing platforms/nokia-770 Dec 09 22:15:59 or... can't open... same think Dec 09 22:16:08 pastebin your target and your sh imager command line, and your platform file Dec 09 22:16:19 don't ahve a platform fileyet ;) Dec 09 22:16:25 ah :P Dec 09 22:16:27 there has been a lot of feedback about the kernel and then yerga had a look at Hildon too but... Dec 09 22:16:30 Stskeeps, re the usb menu thing, can't you use ke-recv to do that? ke-recv is basically that, it runs usb-massstorage-enable.sh which does the work of insmodding g_file_storage Dec 09 22:16:43 are you aware of feedback on all the rest in between? Dec 09 22:17:01 qgil: yeah, working hard on the rest personally Dec 09 22:17:22 .. but so far i don't see any bad things, - as a maemo developer, that is Dec 09 22:17:34 not seeing any bad thing is good Dec 09 22:17:40 what about seeing good things? :) Dec 09 22:18:04 oh, plenty - we're getting what was told at summit, so Dec 09 22:18:15 and those are postive developments Dec 09 22:18:16 jeward: it actually worked? Dec 09 22:18:27 Yep! Dec 09 22:18:39 qgil, doesnt the summit seem like such a long time ago Dec 09 22:18:42 I specifically had it install libdb4.2. Dec 09 22:18:48 * lcuk cant wait for the next one :) Dec 09 22:18:52 Then it automatically installed libxml2. Dec 09 22:19:01 qgil: i think most people are unsure what to think just yet as it is, a pre-alpha, and we don't know much about the actual tablet, and we don't know much about the new UI Dec 09 22:19:10 I guess we'll need to pull the people around the upstream projects to find out if there is anything in the Fremantle implementation worth commenting Dec 09 22:19:11 lcuk: see it was safe :P Dec 09 22:19:16 qgil: we're just waiting for Stskeeps to give us a decent Fremantle image to use ;) Dec 09 22:19:30 come on Stskeeps! :) Dec 09 22:19:36 fremantle image? Dec 09 22:19:48 well Mer with Fremantle components then Dec 09 22:19:51 i think the fremantle core shows one thing: nokia have been busy working on the new tablet for a while Dec 09 22:20:24 we are gonna have so much to play with \o/ Dec 09 22:20:44 you're so obsessed about the new hardware... Dec 09 22:20:55 tablet lovers, all of us :P Dec 09 22:21:10 qgil: of course, but new software is cool too Dec 09 22:21:28 qwerty12_N800: you want to try Qalculate! ? Dec 09 22:21:33 heh - qgil :) as you know i work extremely hard to give maximum performance on this hardware and its gonna live for a long time - i just want a camera Dec 09 22:21:44 lardman, sure, please Dec 09 22:22:49 It's a pity that the media application framework didn't make to this first release just for a bit since then the multimedia area would be basically complete Dec 09 22:22:56 will OMAP3 bring a huge boost? im trying to think if its worth waiting and get Dec 09 22:23:11 or just keep my nokia n800 and buy a cheap subnotebook or something Dec 09 22:23:20 I expected more feedback in this area considering the amount of media players and codec lovers around, the dsp debates tc Dec 09 22:23:27 qgil: positive things: gcc4, updated gtk, gst-openmax, gupnp, clutter, matchbox wm 2, updated libhildon, new linux kernel, that it's 100% oss, the use of pulseaudio instead of esound, python in sdk.. Dec 09 22:23:52 and dspbridge looks very nice too Dec 09 22:23:55 python got there through the rear door, actually Dec 09 22:24:07 isnt pulseaudio very uhh high cpu compared to esound? Dec 09 22:24:21 it was for my desktop Dec 09 22:24:35 i guess they might add some hardware stuff so it doesnt, but just normally.. doesnt it?: Dec 09 22:24:38 depends on usage i guess Dec 09 22:24:41 qgil: it's during the week, I've had day-job to do too! :) Dec 09 22:24:53 aahhhh, true lardman :) Dec 09 22:25:13 following ITt and this chatroom that is a detail easy to forget about many of you :) Dec 09 22:25:16 yeah, i was sitting half shell shocked in the middle of a class when the announcement came :P Dec 09 22:25:32 we should probably do a wiki page saying what's new in Fremantle and how it will be cool, etc Dec 09 22:25:35 qgil - its the same for you though isnt it, you are off the clock now aren't you Dec 09 22:25:37 how old are all of you? Dec 09 22:25:39 btw, thanks for all the time and enrgy you are putting on this Dec 09 22:25:47 zakkm: 30 Dec 09 22:25:53 zakkm: 24 Dec 09 22:26:05 wow maybe im too young for irc Dec 09 22:26:12 zakkm: i started on irc when i was 13 Dec 09 22:26:12 :P Dec 09 22:26:13 started at like 11 -.- Dec 09 22:26:19 zakkm, 16 Dec 09 22:26:20 fine Dec 09 22:26:21 qwerty12_N800: hmm, can I just stick up a straight feed or do I need random distro stuff too? Dec 09 22:26:26 too young for this channel ;p , im 17 Dec 09 22:26:35 pft :P Dec 09 22:26:37 btw, do you know the creator of the IRC protocol wirks in the maemo SW team Dec 09 22:26:40 works Dec 09 22:26:48 eh, jarkko? Dec 09 22:26:48 how many creators were there? Dec 09 22:26:49 cool :) Dec 09 22:26:56 wasn't he in biology? :P Dec 09 22:26:56 zakkm: 30 Dec 09 22:26:57 lardman, don't understand you, sorry? Dec 09 22:27:17 Stskeeps: yes, perhaps you even find his name in the changelogs you are scanning these days Dec 09 22:27:19 <^Tux^> watch out.. Sts will get a big head if you brag of his whorage of the IRC protocol Dec 09 22:27:20 <^Tux^> ;P Dec 09 22:27:27 qwerty12_N800: well I have feed/*.deb atm, do I need some sort of /diablo/ stuff in there? Dec 09 22:27:53 * lardman knows nothing much about packaging, we should hire someone ;) Dec 09 22:28:07 wasnt that proposed? Dec 09 22:28:09 on maemo.org? Dec 09 22:28:14 yes, I'm joking Dec 09 22:28:26 if i learn, would you guys hire me? :P Dec 09 22:28:35 qgil: interesting tidbit Dec 09 22:28:36 qgil, thanks go to you and your team also - we might have different focus and drive but the goal is the same: a nokia/maemo device in our hands Dec 09 22:28:47 lardman, i'm more of a packager than a repo manager :/. pm me (or whatever) with a link to the repo Dec 09 22:28:54 Stskeeps: is the debootstrap pacakse supposed to create /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/jaunty? Dec 09 22:29:22 qwerty12_N800: hang on, will scan this quickly http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto Dec 09 22:29:26 speaking of IRC, Soumya & co had also a funny time getting the RTCom stuff out in this first release Dec 09 22:29:34 r2d2rogers: no, just refer directly to the jaunty debootstrap file Dec 09 22:29:35 * r2d2rogers wishes he could blame line noise for his garbled typing Dec 09 22:29:44 r2d2rogers: there's a debootstrap package on ports.ubuntu.com Dec 09 22:29:51 and this is another part not tied to hardware or ui Dec 09 22:29:57 hi qgil, do you know if there's some kind of versioning system for the fremantle alphas planned, Dec 09 22:30:05 qgil: will location info now I hope? :) Dec 09 22:30:07 or if stuff in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ will be just added every week? Dec 09 22:30:11 s/will/with Dec 09 22:30:12 in the same dir Dec 09 22:30:19 andre__, yes, this is the first - there will be a second, followed by a third :P Dec 09 22:30:30 andre__: mmmm not yet - I was thinking about this specially when the weekly releases arrive Dec 09 22:31:15 andre__: now is the right time to discuss all this Dec 09 22:31:19 qgil, just wondering about bug reports - the date they were filed of course works somehow(TM) and it would be less work for me to not create new versions every week :-P Dec 09 22:31:35 right, ill bbl ive got some coding to be doing :) cyas later folks Dec 09 22:31:37 on the other hand it can increase confusion sometimes Dec 09 22:31:41 andre__: whatever works best for you Dec 09 22:32:05 heh... i can live with anything, as long as i don't have to change the names later on Dec 09 22:32:15 so how do i call this version? 5.0prealpha? Dec 09 22:32:27 and what comes next in a few weeks? 5.0alpha? Dec 09 22:32:29 5.0prealpha1? Dec 09 22:32:48 (problem will be that the sorting of versions will be alphabetic) Dec 09 22:32:56 alpha = API complete and it will take more than one go Dec 09 22:33:06 bugzilla does not support non-alphabetic version sorting (only for target milestones) Dec 09 22:33:31 so 5.0prealpha will be after 5.0alpha in the dropdown :-/ Dec 09 22:33:56 Retrieving Packages ... Dec 09 22:34:01 qwerty12_N800: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/diablo/stable/main/binary-armel/ Dec 09 22:34:09 andre__: if you think my brain can gt any useful thought at this time of my long day... ;) Dec 09 22:34:11 r2d2rogers: remembered to put swap on? Dec 09 22:34:11 qwerty12_N800: still uploading, make of the structure what you will :) Dec 09 22:34:20 qgil, want a beer too? :-) Dec 09 22:34:22 lardman, thanks :) Dec 09 22:34:27 Stskeeps: yessir Dec 09 22:34:32 not a beer but a bed Dec 09 22:34:34 r2d2rogers: good, let's see where it goes :P Dec 09 22:34:36 spaking of which... Dec 09 22:34:39 no need to decide today :) Dec 09 22:34:56 qwerty12_N800: and let me know what works for you in ham Dec 09 22:34:56 how i install e17 on my n800 ? Dec 09 22:35:06 Stskeeps: also remembered to wipe deblet from the partition first ;) Dec 09 22:35:11 r2d2rogers: always good Dec 09 22:35:22 anyway, good night! Dec 09 22:35:27 good night! Dec 09 22:35:27 goodnight qgil! Dec 09 22:35:32 night qgil Dec 09 22:35:47 mike_xcr: where have you heard about this? Dec 09 22:36:49 doh Dec 09 22:36:51 reboot Dec 09 22:37:05 will double check swap Dec 09 22:37:06 lardman: wait sec Dec 09 22:37:34 r2d2rogers: 770 is definately an area tar.gz might be considered.. Dec 09 22:37:35 :P Dec 09 22:37:36 mike_xcr: I mean as an Angstrom image, or packages to install on a maemo system? Dec 09 22:38:00 lardman: http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News Dec 09 22:38:00 qwerty12_N800: fineshed uploading, please give it a go Dec 09 22:38:23 lardman, cool trying it out. thanks! Dec 09 22:38:49 mike_xcr: that screenshot is from a PC you know Dec 09 22:39:16 mike_xcr: best idea is to try an Angstrom image, though you'll find the battery life isn't good Dec 09 22:39:19 lardman: search Sunday, 17 June 2007 on this page Dec 09 22:39:50 so, no comments on the draft? :P Dec 09 22:39:54 2007! Dec 09 22:40:04 LAG! Dec 09 22:40:49 damn this irc, ill bb tomorrow Dec 09 22:40:52 mike_xcr: no e17 on that page Dec 09 22:40:56 o/ reboot loops FTL Dec 09 22:40:57 or the two either side Dec 09 22:41:22 r2d2rogers: you didn't install accidentially to your jffs, did you? :P Dec 09 22:41:33 anyway, you'll still need to try an Angstrom imahe Dec 09 22:41:40 ok Dec 09 22:41:49 Stskeeps: nope it's the media find thig again I think Dec 09 22:41:54 ah Dec 09 22:41:58 took out the card to kill it Dec 09 22:42:17 mike_xcr: which means you'll need to build it yourself I guess, as the Nokia devices aren't available in the feeds any more Dec 09 22:42:20 lardman: i have - maybe impossible - question, can i get xfce or icewm on my n800? Dec 09 22:42:25 mike_xcr: sorry I can't be of more help Dec 09 22:42:32 lardman: ok :-) Dec 09 22:42:35 mike_xcr: yes, that you can do with deblet Dec 09 22:42:41 I think Dec 09 22:42:45 Stskeeps ? Dec 09 22:42:52 lardman: yeah Dec 09 22:42:58 see above Dec 09 22:44:20 qwerty12_N800: I need to Hildonise it, that menu takes up too much space Dec 09 22:45:14 lardman, directory structure is a little funky, i'm still wrestling in vain trying to get the app manager to see it Dec 09 22:45:20 lardman, heh :) Dec 09 22:45:21 lol Dec 09 22:46:26 what about just the url, no other params? Dec 09 22:46:54 lardman, you'll need to make http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/diablo into http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo Dec 09 22:47:12 lardman, apt insists on using dists :/ Dec 09 22:47:29 done Dec 09 22:47:34 thanks Dec 09 22:47:56 hmm, ham checking for updates can't be cancelled, sounds bug-like to me Dec 09 22:48:54 time to go into red pill :) Dec 09 22:48:54 does anyone know how to structure a debian repo? Dec 09 22:50:02 hang on, will try to tweak dir struct Dec 09 22:54:24 lardman, you'll need to update packages.gz to reflect the new directory structure Dec 09 22:54:36 ah Dec 09 22:54:45 that may be difficult Dec 09 22:55:32 no problems, i'll use wget & dpkg :p Dec 09 22:55:33 you sure? Dec 09 22:56:14 lardman, yep, i can add the repo fine ; just when downloading, i get a package not found Dec 09 22:56:16 I think Packages.gz us ok, probably in the wrong sections mind you Dec 09 22:56:51 round 2, bootstrap! Dec 09 22:57:00 lardman, hmm, i see, you're right. lemme clean it out here Dec 09 22:57:31 try adding::: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/, diablo, main Dec 09 22:57:43 done that :) Dec 09 22:58:28 * lardman hates Debian packaging Dec 09 22:58:59 ok, looks like it works from red pill mode for me Dec 09 22:59:40 yeah, think it's messing me around..i'll just use dpkg Dec 09 23:00:11 do try an apt-get, see what it says Dec 09 23:01:04 ok guys, i go, bye :-) Dec 09 23:01:16 bye mike_xcr Dec 09 23:01:45 * lardman wonders if omap3 pvr patch will give insight into the omap2 situation Dec 09 23:02:02 lardman, "Failed to fetch http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/./qalculate-gtk_0.9.6-2_armel.deb 404 Not Found" which is B.S because "deb http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/ diablo main" Dec 09 23:02:37 strange Dec 09 23:02:40 sorry Dec 09 23:03:05 just grab cln, qalculate-gtk & lib Dec 09 23:03:06 np, the problem is on my side :) Dec 09 23:03:14 the other deps are for giac Dec 09 23:03:25 I don;t think qalculate even wanted gmp this time Dec 09 23:05:48 nokia 770? isnt it too slow to do stuff? :P Dec 09 23:05:52 my old n770 was reallyy slow Dec 09 23:07:15 lardman, yay! works nicely :p. just edit the corresponding Makefile.[.in & .am] and add a /hildon on the end of desktop_DIR :p Dec 09 23:07:24 zakkm: old name, as I started doing this back then :) Dec 09 23:07:44 ok, can do that easily Dec 09 23:09:10 qwerty12_N800: I see nothing like that anywhere Dec 09 23:10:05 lardman, hrm, it may be added differently. you'll figure it out way before then, but i'll look tomorrow Dec 09 23:11:51 dunno about that :D Dec 09 23:12:26 hehe :P Dec 09 23:12:38 zakkm: I'm attempting to get Mer on my 770 right now Dec 09 23:12:51 ah Dec 09 23:13:08 but yeah, the size of those menus! :p Dec 09 23:13:13 aargh, why are all the dev docs on maemo.org pdfs now? Dec 09 23:13:34 I'm looking for the tutorial to work out how to Hildonise, can't find the bloody thing any more Dec 09 23:15:49 lardman: http://umeguide.net/C/ch07s04.html ? Dec 09 23:16:30 found it under maemo 4.0 Dec 09 23:16:33 thanks tho Dec 09 23:18:07 * Stskeeps ponders how much of a problem it will be that we probably can't redistribute nokia imagery Dec 09 23:18:30 ? Dec 09 23:18:39 community edition Dec 09 23:18:54 why dont they let us Dec 09 23:18:58 its not like we wont evantually? Dec 09 23:19:17 * GeneralAntilles shoots daggers at lardman. :P Dec 09 23:19:25 lo GA Dec 09 23:19:43 Howdy Dec 09 23:20:15 GeneralAntilles: https://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Project_Draft , more scratch stuff Dec 09 23:20:39 hey GA Dec 09 23:20:43 Stskeeps, repository.maemo.org/community was already essentially agreed upon Dec 09 23:20:52 alright, sounds good Dec 09 23:21:02 Either way, it's our fracking server and we'll put whatever the frack we want on it. :P Dec 09 23:21:11 lardman, let me know how it goes, i could hildonize (or ratherm attempt to - my success rate varies depending on the program) parts and clean up the packaging a bit Dec 09 23:21:36 Stskeeps, as for the scrum, I'd just as soon clone the maemo.org infrastructure and continue using it. Dec 09 23:21:43 Id like to learn Mer Testing :) Dec 09 23:21:44 k Dec 09 23:21:47 join* Dec 09 23:22:07 Though clearly you've become attached to Jaiku, so maybe maintain that as another, finer (and optional), layer of granularity on reporting. Dec 09 23:22:10 hehe, so far just a draft, zakkm, but testing will definately be needed Dec 09 23:22:24 i like saying whats wrong with stuff :) Dec 09 23:22:27 GeneralAntilles: yeah, and im not 100% sure jaiku is the best thing Dec 09 23:22:30 and how it should be improved ;p Dec 09 23:22:39 it's the facility of microblogging im fond of Dec 09 23:22:41 hildon-1 is called something else now isn't it? Dec 09 23:22:56 libhildon1 or something Dec 09 23:23:19 Stskeeps, when you hit me with that earlier draft, I was thinking the Mer council was actually a separate council. Dec 09 23:23:23 oh no, it seems to be there actually Dec 09 23:23:26 weird Dec 09 23:23:34 GeneralAntilles: oh, i actually say maemo council in all of mine Dec 09 23:23:35 Which was actually good, since I wasn't totally keen on deciding a direction for Mer. :P Dec 09 23:23:54 it was just to glue mer into the maemo.org organisation Dec 09 23:24:09 I'm plenty happy to play the PR and business manager, though. ;) Dec 09 23:24:13 hehe Dec 09 23:24:34 Either way, it doesn't actually matter. Dec 09 23:24:37 im happy to take all the donations :) Dec 09 23:24:51 but there might be a need for a mer council or the likes / council of team leaders or something Dec 09 23:24:54 to cooperate Dec 09 23:25:03 Mer gets to use the Council name for glue and a little extra brand boost, and you guys get to do whatever the fuck you want. ;) Dec 09 23:25:09 Stskeeps: a "working group" :) Dec 09 23:25:14 yeah :P Dec 09 23:27:44 Texrat now occupies 90% of my Jaiku updates Dec 09 23:28:18 saw his comment on you? :P Dec 09 23:28:25 I think I need some more talkative contacts, or maybe just more contacts, or maybe an "only every 5th" for Texrat. Dec 09 23:28:48 Stskeeps, no, missed it. Dec 09 23:29:03 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=248314&postcount=99 <- this one, i meant :) Dec 09 23:29:13 Ha Dec 09 23:31:49 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Internet:Microb_Tweaks do the about:config still apply? Dec 09 23:32:02 Speed tweaks specific for the Internet Tablets: **** Dec 09 23:33:29 qwerty12_N800: I give up Dec 09 23:33:45 qwerty12_N800: can't find the examples I was looking for about what needs to be replaced to Hildonise it Dec 09 23:35:08 lardman, i'll have a go tomorrow, if i succeed, you get a patch :) Dec 09 23:36:06 cool, will upload the source in a mo Dec 09 23:36:39 Where should I put this email bug. . . . Dec 09 23:36:41 andre__! Dec 09 23:36:44 except Nautilus is playing silly-buggers with its backend (sftp that is) Dec 09 23:36:55 lardman, no need to tell me... Dec 09 23:38:12 * Stskeeps heads to bed Dec 09 23:40:00 ~lart bloody Nautilus for randomly being crap and not saying why! Dec 09 23:40:02 * infobot stuffs bloody Nautilus into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it for randomly being crap and not saying why! Dec 09 23:41:52 qwerty12_N801: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/ Dec 09 23:42:24 GeneralAntilles: one thing people completely missed out on is that nokia starts giving us 100% open source wifi driver.. Dec 09 23:42:31 thanks lardman, i'll note that :) Dec 09 23:42:39 and that's a big move too Dec 09 23:42:59 like, from the start Dec 09 23:45:44 qwerty12_N801: np Dec 09 23:46:15 qwerty12_N801: I can give you the cln source and qalculate source too if you want to stick it in extras (but tell me how as you do it so I know for next time) Dec 09 23:49:23 Stskeeps, yeah, I noticed that. Dec 09 23:49:51 oh hai Dec 09 23:49:58 lardman, Hmm, dunno, having it in extras would be nice... but for now, if you don't mind, we'll use your repo as qalculate extras-devel :p Dec 09 23:50:19 yeah fine by me Dec 09 23:50:32 we should hildonise it first anyway, I'll look into that tomorrow Dec 09 23:50:37 does anyone know where i can get fsdisk for diablo? Dec 09 23:51:39 or some other partitioning utility Dec 09 23:51:42 qwerty12_N801: btw, it won't be rip-roaringly, ring-stingingly fast yet as I need to compile libm with vfp and do some LD_LIBRARY_PATH trickery to get it to use that one Dec 09 23:53:06 lardman, heh, it's not at a bad speed already (bearing in mind testing = 1 +1) :p Dec 09 23:53:34 depends if you use trig fns, and the like, unless they have been replaced by cln (not sure about that) Dec 09 23:53:52 where and the like: exp(), sqrt(), log/ln() Dec 09 23:54:24 right, bed time for me, see you all tomorrow Dec 09 23:54:35 night lardman Dec 09 23:55:34 anyone? Dec 09 23:55:41 I wish we could get rid of that silly profanity filter on itT. Dec 09 23:55:44 It's so silly. . . . Dec 09 23:56:33 GeneralAntilles, at least Reggie doesn't care if you "circumvent" it... Dec 09 23:57:15 i need to format my memory card so that I have four partitions: a user-space one on mmcblk0p1, an empty one on mmcblk0p2, a linux83 fs on mmcblk0p3, and another empty one on mmcblk0p4 Dec 09 23:57:30 qwerty12_N801, yeah, I've know a few places to be a bit extreme about that. Dec 09 23:57:37 i have e2fsprogs installed Dec 09 23:58:23 any ideas? Dec 09 23:58:31 * GeneralAntilles wishes qwerty12_N801 would give us a nice partitioning application. :P Dec 09 23:58:42 * jakemaheu wishes someone could help, lol Dec 09 23:58:47 sfdisk Dec 09 23:58:53 really? Dec 09 23:58:56 GeneralAntilles, i put cfdisk & parted in extras-devel :p Dec 09 23:59:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card Dec 09 23:59:19 @GeneralAntilles: I love you. Dec 09 23:59:36 Also, where abouts in MI do you live-- I'm in Port Huron Dec 09 23:59:37 qwerty12_N801, I haven't looked at penguinbait's new "management tools" Dec 09 23:59:38 Any good? Dec 09 23:59:51 Somebody lives in MI? Dec 10 00:00:09 GeneralAntilles, same, i don't have any experience with it either :/ Dec 10 00:00:40 qwerty12_N801, those deb packages were just way to evil. :P Dec 10 00:01:19 Especially with Linus saying how linux should be pronounced on bootup :p Dec 10 00:02:07 <_< Dec 10 00:07:25 has anyone tried nitdroid on the n800 yet? Dec 10 00:08:32 you could be the first, but then you'll find you won't be able to use tne touchscreen Dec 10 00:09:42 eff Dec 10 00:11:09 lol Dec 10 00:11:15 is it speedy yet? Dec 10 00:11:19 compared to maemo? Dec 10 00:11:33 i dunno, i've gotta do a few more things Dec 10 00:11:40 it appears to be, besides bootup Dec 10 01:47:45 hey guise Dec 10 01:48:00 i got nitdroid working-- kinda Dec 10 01:48:27 however, i get some errors Dec 10 01:48:46 anyone know how to help? Dec 10 01:49:47 anybody? Dec 10 02:09:16 got a youtube video of boxar now Dec 10 02:09:22 if anyone wants to see.. Dec 10 02:16:18 jagernot, i want to see it Dec 10 02:16:32 hehe disco Dec 10 02:16:43 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tRQI4-7u46c Dec 10 02:16:44 whats up Dec 10 02:17:00 didnt know 1 could play deep purple on boxar :D Dec 10 02:17:05 that really made my day Dec 10 02:18:19 the only piece of music i could put together Dec 10 02:25:34 someone refusing to use matchbox? Dec 10 02:25:50 disco_stu u saw it? Dec 10 02:26:07 jagernot, yeah, liked it :) Dec 10 02:26:23 sorry i just nicked ur tune ;) Dec 10 02:26:37 its awesome :) Dec 10 02:27:03 did u get the latest version? Dec 10 02:27:09 thats got the decay time adjust on it Dec 10 02:27:21 but then ah u dont have a keyboard on n800 Dec 10 02:27:33 u have to keep clicking the menu option then ... sorry :) Dec 10 02:28:04 i have an usb kbd sometimes use for mailing Dec 10 02:28:37 my n800 is about to lose power Dec 10 02:28:48 i need to plug it now Dec 10 02:29:19 all the synth parameters can be played with now Dec 10 02:29:21 Gogogo Dec 10 02:29:56 general how r u Dec 10 02:30:14 sorry about yesterday just lost it for a few seconds Dec 10 02:30:15 Bored with studying Dec 10 02:31:19 GeneralAntilles, is there any way i could switch batteries wthout turning nit off Dec 10 02:31:25 Good Evening Dec 10 02:31:28 If only Dec 10 02:31:37 But, no, disco_stu, there's no "fat cap" to keep it alive. Dec 10 02:31:46 anyone up to helping me trouble shoot a failed mer imager run? Dec 10 02:32:14 disco_stu, I wish there were, since it'd be such a simple thing to add Dec 10 02:32:35 because some guy told me he was running his nit without a battery Dec 10 02:32:54 he plugged the charger and removed bat Dec 10 02:32:59 disco_stu, he's either lying or did some surgery to solder on power leads directly to the battery terminals Dec 10 02:33:01 That's a lie. Dec 10 02:33:21 Suspend to disk might be a workable option Dec 10 02:34:35 disco_stu do u have the power on drama too? Dec 10 02:34:44 i have that with my n810 Dec 10 02:34:59 i found a few minutes in the freezer works..so far Dec 10 02:35:05 wrap it up in a plastic cover Dec 10 02:38:18 jagernot, um, did you upgrade the firmware? :\ Dec 10 02:39:20 no general, im too scared... Dec 10 02:39:26 Er Dec 10 02:39:32 i have a nice environment going Dec 10 02:39:39 i write code, it runs on the tablet Dec 10 02:40:02 everytime i try to do this upgrade/downgrade i tend to brick it for a week at least Dec 10 02:40:05 So you're running what, 42-19? Dec 10 02:40:09 :\ Dec 10 02:40:39 hehe better..50-2 Dec 10 02:40:47 2.2007.50-2 Dec 10 02:40:51 Still old Dec 10 02:40:57 51-3 has the NOLO fixes Dec 10 02:41:03 Anyway, that's WAAAY old Dec 10 02:41:05 upgrade to Diablo already. Dec 10 02:41:21 can i downgrade if it doesnt work? Dec 10 02:41:28 jagernot: yes Dec 10 02:41:30 Yeah Dec 10 02:41:33 but you wont Dec 10 02:41:39 You can flash whatever you want with the FIASCO images Dec 10 02:41:42 do i have to recompile boxar? Dec 10 02:41:52 no Dec 10 02:41:57 nice Dec 10 02:42:09 so that means esound (whatever u think general ;) works Dec 10 02:42:10 nice Dec 10 02:42:53 * disco_stu is going to play css for a while Dec 10 02:42:54 once ive submitted my entry to the nokia competition i will do this i think Dec 10 02:43:32 so in a week's time Dec 10 02:46:22 i think its an exciting time for maemo Dec 10 02:46:29 if it gets on a future nokia phone even better **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 10 02:59:57 2008