**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 13 03:00:03 2008 Dec 13 03:06:52 mavhc: css?, i have no idea of what your talking about. Dec 13 03:07:15 me neither Dec 13 05:19:27 i wonder if raising chickens is good for your mental balance Dec 13 05:19:37 every once in a while you get to throttle something to death Dec 13 05:28:54 pupnik, I prefer a short trip to the pistol range. :P Dec 13 05:41:16 \ Dec 13 05:41:24 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Dec 13 05:41:29 sorry Dec 13 05:41:35 fixing my enter key Dec 13 05:59:46 * GeneralAntilles decides to start on a Newton theme Dec 13 08:20:59 hey anyone here know how to use PhoneLink Dec 13 08:21:00 ? Dec 13 08:36:18 zetheroo, my phone is not supported Dec 13 08:49:24 AStorm: I have the Nokia N95 Dec 13 08:49:35 AStorm: is that one supported? Dec 13 08:50:12 well, gnokii might support it Dec 13 08:50:25 but all this phone stuf is very outdated Dec 13 08:50:36 is it? Dec 13 08:53:10 it would be very useful to me Dec 13 08:53:17 is there a better app for this? Dec 13 08:53:32 no idea Dec 13 08:53:39 I'd like one as well Dec 13 09:22:49 what was that program that was good for browsing the filesystem? Dec 13 09:23:05 emelfm2? midnight commander? gpe-file-manager? Dec 13 09:23:34 emelfm2 thats the one Dec 13 09:24:39 hmm its not in my installable apps list Dec 13 09:24:47 it's not in extras Dec 13 09:24:53 oh? Dec 13 09:25:08 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18462 Dec 13 09:25:52 is gpe-file-manager good too? Dec 13 09:26:11 I've never used it, just heard it being mentioned Dec 13 09:37:46 any way to search for a file in the terminal or anywhere else? Dec 13 09:38:54 find ? Dec 13 09:39:02 did not work for me Dec 13 09:39:16 also tried whereis Dec 13 09:40:39 locate could be if it would be in repositories :) Dec 13 09:44:48 hmmm Dec 13 09:44:57 anyone know more or less what SIP is? Dec 13 09:45:32 well, yes? Dec 13 09:45:56 it's an IP-telephony protocol? Or did you want it more detailed? Dec 13 09:46:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol Dec 13 09:46:31 * GeneralAntilles is so glad to be finally done with the semester. Dec 13 09:47:08 is it something to do with making phone calls through a mobile phone that is paired to the N810? Dec 13 09:47:15 nope. Dec 13 09:47:23 oh ok Dec 13 09:47:34 so its internet related Dec 13 09:47:36 ? Dec 13 09:47:37 yes. Dec 13 09:48:34 I am searching for a way to make phone calls from my N810 through to my N95 mobile Dec 13 09:49:44 You want Bluetooth handsfree Dec 13 09:50:31 they are both paired atm Dec 13 09:52:08 is this feature possible in my case? Dec 13 09:52:27 I don't know of anything other than Phonelink Dec 13 09:52:29 to call using the mobile phone ... but through the tablet? Dec 13 09:52:36 oh I see Dec 13 09:52:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#Hands-Free_Profile_.28HFP.29 Dec 13 09:52:58 That's what you're after Dec 13 09:56:55 Anybody on that did early work on deblet? Dec 13 09:57:21 I'm working on gentoo on n810. I've gotten it to boot native arm (finally) but have very odd hardware clock issues. Dec 13 09:58:12 GeneralAntilles: that info is about car installations... how does that cater to my need? Dec 13 09:58:39 zetheroo, HFP is the Bluetooth profile that gets you what you need. Dec 13 09:59:21 christendoc, you need linux-omap tree most likely Dec 13 09:59:32 it has many fixes Dec 13 09:59:45 AStorm: Are you talking about the kernel? Dec 13 09:59:50 yup Dec 13 09:59:52 I'm still using maemo kernel Dec 13 10:00:03 maemo kernel has bugs. many. Dec 13 10:00:05 Just pointing the bootloader at a gentoo install. Dec 13 10:00:10 :> Dec 13 10:00:10 Ohh... Got it Dec 13 10:00:12 That helps. Dec 13 10:00:23 btw, built using cross, or native? Dec 13 10:00:29 or qemu? Dec 13 10:00:43 native right now ... It's slow, but I'm lazy. Dec 13 10:00:50 :) Dec 13 10:01:06 I should get native + distcc later Dec 13 10:01:13 I want to get everything compiled with softfloat and EABI, but I'll get there. Dec 13 10:01:25 I've got distcc (2 n810s -- one with fractured screen) Dec 13 10:01:49 hmmm Dec 13 10:01:56 nice (I Dec 13 10:02:00 But everything's compiling in gentoo chroots right now. I can boot, but haven't gotten anywhere near wireless, just yet. Dec 13 10:02:05 mean distcc, not broken screen) Dec 13 10:02:19 lol @ Question #3 http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT6156185477.html Dec 13 10:02:20 wireless - take the new driver Dec 13 10:02:26 what was it called... Dec 13 10:02:46 stlc45xx Dec 13 10:03:21 I'm gonna check your linux-omap bit out and see what I can do there. I've got a framebuffer console, but no number keys :) until I get networking (ssh) or the FN key working, alot of other things will have to wait. Dec 13 10:03:27 AStorm: Here? Dec 13 10:03:29 Moo, all Dec 13 10:03:34 moo RST38h Dec 13 10:03:49 RST38h, yup Dec 13 10:04:08 christendoc, there was a patch for n810 Dec 13 10:04:16 keyboard to work Dec 13 10:04:21 AStorm: I am trying to repartition anSD card on Ubuntu Dec 13 10:04:32 When writing new partition table, I am getting "The kernel still uses the old table." Dec 13 10:04:35 not sure if it got applied Dec 13 10:04:40 RST38h, reboot then Dec 13 10:04:48 or remove and reinsert card Dec 13 10:04:50 :> Dec 13 10:04:55 AStorm: I did. The card comes up with the old 1MB FAT partition Dec 13 10:05:07 well, then reboot Dec 13 10:05:10 AStorm: patch, like kernel patch for the 810 keyboard? That in linux-omap? Dec 13 10:05:13 it'd be a bug anyway Dec 13 10:05:37 Any idea how I actually WRITE it? Dec 13 10:05:38 christendoc, not sure, it was on some site... and certainly is linked to in mailing list archives Dec 13 10:05:52 RST38h, it was written Dec 13 10:06:13 AStorm: Ok thanks for your tips. Dec 13 10:06:21 AStorm: does not look lik it Dec 13 10:06:37 RST38h, well, pity :> Dec 13 10:07:01 it works here (TM) Dec 13 10:07:08 ok, time for coffee Dec 13 10:07:19 and shopping :( Dec 13 10:07:51 how do I find a file in the filesystem? Dec 13 10:08:07 AStorm: Am I correct that there's no way to keep wlan (n810) with linux-omap? (proprietary module) Dec 13 10:08:23 got it to work! Dec 13 10:08:24 christendoc, stlc45xx Dec 13 10:08:24 there is an open driver now Dec 13 10:08:30 yes, that one Dec 13 10:08:38 christendoc, http://stlc45xx.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 13 10:08:43 zetheroo, with find command Dec 13 10:08:46 ah, excellent. checking that Dec 13 10:09:17 zetheroo, like, cd /; find somefile Dec 13 10:09:23 it will take time though Dec 13 10:09:28 ok Dec 13 10:09:32 another way is using locate Dec 13 10:09:44 which is fast if it works Dec 13 10:10:10 zetheroo, uhm, find somefile is wrong Dec 13 10:10:18 find . -name somefile Dec 13 10:10:21 that is ok Dec 13 10:10:21 free has mlocate in his repo, works for me (but needs cron running to automatically run updatedb) Dec 13 10:10:32 yup Dec 13 10:10:47 so if I am looking for a file called gnokiirc whats the command? Dec 13 10:12:26 find ~ -name gnokiirc Dec 13 10:12:42 or maybe find /etc -name gnokiirc Dec 13 10:12:45 :> Dec 13 10:13:16 ok, indeed, have to move my rear end Dec 13 10:13:27 brb Dec 13 10:15:39 ok well I am not having any luck getting this find command to work Dec 13 10:17:18 how do I know if I am in root? Dec 13 10:17:25 whoami Dec 13 10:18:45 echo $UID Dec 13 10:19:00 or id Dec 13 10:21:01 oh man ... why is there no search tool in emelFM2 Dec 13 10:21:26 How do I create a device node for the sdb1p1/sdb1p2 partition? Dec 13 10:21:40 I wonder if the Tracker beta'll ship with an interface Dec 13 10:22:23 RST38h, with mknod Dec 13 10:22:58 also, it's sdb1, sdb2 and so on Dec 13 10:40:58 indeed sdb is the whole device and sdb1 sdb2 the partitions (just do a cat /proc/partition to see what the kernel thinks is availlable) Dec 13 11:29:14 AStorm: Figured it out finally Dec 13 11:29:32 The partition names were wrong in the documentation Dec 13 11:30:03 Off to some place where I can buy a bunch of jumpers and a null modem Dec 13 11:33:47 * StsN800 would really love a offline mode for vagalume Dec 13 11:34:31 RST38h, electronics shop Dec 13 11:34:38 and also some mart Dec 13 11:34:54 null modems are widely available Dec 13 11:34:58 StsN800, what would it connect to? Dec 13 11:35:10 although you can make one yourself Dec 13 11:35:23 from a standardc serial cable Dec 13 11:37:25 GeneralAntilles, allowing to cache a stream or something. put vagalume at work with mute at night and then replay when walking offline in the morning. prolly illlegal though Dec 13 11:37:40 StsN800, likely. :P Dec 13 11:38:15 StsN800, a good alternative is maintaining a music library and having a script copy over a random dozen or so songs the night before. :P Dec 13 11:39:06 i wouldnt mind discovering new music so Dec 13 11:39:27 a collection always goes stale Dec 13 11:40:15 StsN800, make it bigger, then. ;) Dec 13 11:46:44 anyway. recording radio for personal use is legal in .dk. and recently the radio term got expanded with digital Dec 13 11:47:14 cos of national radio streaming online Dec 13 11:47:23 qwerty12, did we suggest MyPaint for the Fremantle Stars? Dec 13 11:47:32 GeneralAntilles, No idea Dec 13 11:47:59 Personally, I think a good paint program would make a fucking fantastic Star. Dec 13 11:48:05 Especially tossing in cool shit like Clutter Dec 13 11:48:35 Hehe, yeah. This one is nice because it understands pressure info, always a nice plus Dec 13 11:51:40 did we have mono yet? Dec 13 11:51:57 iirc, pipeline has put out some tarballs Dec 13 11:52:02 mm Dec 13 11:52:33 These things make wonderfully awesome little sketchpads Dec 13 11:52:33 thelastripper.com looks neat Dec 13 11:55:08 qwerty12, upload mypaint to extras :) Dec 13 11:55:16 morning all, btw Dec 13 11:55:32 Hi, patchmaster. :) Dec 13 11:56:30 yerga, morning yerga, hehe, I'd rather leave it up to anders_gud to do that :). I did fix the packaging however to only enable vfp and 1136 mtune flags only if we are compiling for armel. Should help in not making the autobuilder throw an error at the i386 building stage :) Dec 13 11:57:26 * lcuk freezes up north Dec 13 11:57:39 * GeneralAntilles freezes down South. Dec 13 11:57:48 heh gen did you get the snow as well? Dec 13 11:57:49 lcuk, :(, it's not actually bad down here - for the South that is :/ Dec 13 11:57:53 lcuk, it's -1°C out. :( Dec 13 11:58:10 i heard, first time in however many years or something Dec 13 11:58:15 has your pool frozen Dec 13 11:58:19 Hehe Dec 13 11:58:26 Dunno what the temp is at my parent's house Dec 13 11:58:34 we are 10ºC here :) Dec 13 11:58:41 raining though Dec 13 11:58:50 10°C at my parent's house Dec 13 11:58:51 yerga, are you in .fi? or elsewhere? Dec 13 11:58:55 So, no, the pool hasn't frozen. :P Dec 13 11:58:57 .es Dec 13 11:59:24 ahhh thats why its warm Dec 13 11:59:43 pool? es? god, damn.. Dec 13 12:00:19 \@/ my n810 suffered from sudden death last night Dec 13 12:00:31 mh Dec 13 12:00:38 lcuk: what symptoms? Dec 13 12:00:39 i only got an 770 Dec 13 12:00:44 the ONLY thing i did different was unplugging from charger, disconnecting net and locking all too fast Dec 13 12:00:52 but im happy with it Dec 13 12:01:26 normally in an evening i sit with charger in coding, at bedtime, i close connections, disconnect charger, disconnect net, lock - but all with time inbetween Dec 13 12:01:37 mm, at least it seems like 770 will have a bit of renaissance with Mer, with all of r2d2rogers's work Dec 13 12:01:57 Stskeeps, don't get your hopes up. :P Dec 13 12:01:59 this time i was unplugging whilst disconnecting and then locked Dec 13 12:02:04 GeneralAntilles: hehe, we'll see Dec 13 12:02:19 GeneralAntilles: noone says it has to be a complete featureset anyway Dec 13 12:02:20 "Working" does not equal "Working faster than kill-yourself-slow" Dec 13 12:02:39 crawling maybe Dec 13 12:02:57 i thought 770 had more gfx bandwidth Dec 13 12:03:05 so depending on the app you get similar perf? Dec 13 12:03:10 lcuk, that doesn't magically make the CPU not suck. :P Dec 13 12:03:22 i'm still astonished by the midori video from n810 Dec 13 12:03:31 did you see that one, GA? Dec 13 12:03:31 where is it? Dec 13 12:03:41 lcuk, more memory for dsp framebuffer iirc, N800 has it too but there is a kernel change to not share memory. something like that anyway Dec 13 12:03:44 Stskeeps, no. Dec 13 12:03:57 hmm what some semi fresh distro for 770? Dec 13 12:04:11 i got a 770 i should install something nice on.. Dec 13 12:04:14 GeneralAntilles, lcuk: http://tinyurl.com/6accx7 Dec 13 12:05:11 some items of midori definatively needs hildonizing Dec 13 12:06:27 and some of the slowness of opening pages is cos of the crap line meiz is on :P Dec 13 12:07:02 Hehe Dec 13 12:07:42 and this is even on a xorg without manual updates.. so its slowish already :P Dec 13 12:08:05 * GeneralAntilles is excited about Clutter. Dec 13 12:08:13 it'll be interesting for sure Dec 13 12:08:23 I'm really hoping people really take it and run with it. Dec 13 12:08:26 it can also very quickly be annoying Dec 13 12:08:33 Well, sure. Dec 13 12:08:42 As with any flashy bullshit Dec 13 12:08:47 i like the performance benefits and optimizations being made in the world :) Dec 13 12:09:32 ahhhh, i think i disconnected everything too quick, the scp session hadn't finished uploading last edited file Dec 13 12:09:49 I think simple stuff like inertial scrolling is gonna have a huge effect on usability. Dec 13 12:09:51 race condition caused by me shutting net off too quick? Dec 13 12:09:59 i agree there gan :) Dec 13 12:10:17 as long as its fluid it will be good Dec 13 12:11:34 lcuk, I have high expectations of you. :P Dec 13 12:12:28 :) we know its possible. we know the direction we want to be in. i hope we can manage it Dec 13 12:13:17 * lcuk wont take all of gans baggage though, theres many more in a team :P Dec 13 12:13:39 Who did the mockup of the MyPaint interface with the little radial selectors on the side? Dec 13 12:13:45 _That's_ what I really want to see. Dec 13 12:13:54 MyPaint is crippled by being multi-window. Dec 13 12:13:58 pupnik discussed it Dec 13 12:14:18 ive just written an overlay for arbritary vcell widgets which allows corner control Dec 13 12:15:34 anyway, ive got about 2 hours, then im going seeing santa :D Dec 13 12:15:58 they have a snowy forest :D and i get my picture taken with him Dec 13 12:16:20 "dear santa, ive been a good boy all year, please please please can i have a tabletpc" Dec 13 12:16:36 (that runs linux) Dec 13 12:17:13 GeneralAntilles, you mean http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17968 ? Dec 13 12:18:06 no qwerty, lemme dig ill try to find it (but thats very nice as well) Dec 13 12:18:19 ah, cool Dec 13 12:18:25 qwerty12, that's not the one Dec 13 12:18:28 but that's damn cool. Dec 13 12:18:33 ah, ok Dec 13 12:18:38 THAT'D be QUITE cool in Clutter Dec 13 12:18:52 Feck Dec 13 12:19:00 THAT'S what needs to be a Fremantle Star Dec 13 12:19:23 qwerty12: http://vidar.gimp.org/?page_id=50 works under maemo btw Dec 13 12:19:25 Hell, I could convert my mother from her damn iPhone with that. Dec 13 12:19:30 combined with streamripper it could be quite interesting Dec 13 12:19:33 heh Dec 13 12:19:45 Stskeeps, nice Dec 13 12:23:18 * GeneralAntilles wants all these cool UIs right now Dec 13 12:24:03 i did GeneralAntilles Dec 13 12:24:09 mockup Dec 13 12:24:15 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=165716&postcount=62 Dec 13 12:24:27 could also be linear boxes Dec 13 12:24:30 hiya pupnik_ speak of the devil :P Dec 13 12:24:42 whatever - some quick select for alpha / pressure and brush size/shape Dec 13 12:25:06 pupnik_, you never saw my brightness applet did you Dec 13 12:25:11 yes Dec 13 12:25:16 yes/no Dec 13 12:25:34 http://liqbase.net/liq.20081102_235650.gary.scr.png Dec 13 12:26:04 i like the rock look Dec 13 12:26:15 good use of space Dec 13 12:26:27 should work with finger, unlike every other color selector in hildon Dec 13 12:27:03 yeah, should work sloced up and small as well for those phobes who want tiny Dec 13 12:27:35 sloced? closed Dec 13 12:27:48 * lcuk needs to see a doctor :S Dec 13 12:28:50 i is next to o Dec 13 12:30:58 that doesnt help me with s and c though ;) Dec 13 12:31:03 sliced? Dec 13 12:31:03 :P Dec 13 12:32:17 clised? Dec 13 12:32:26 closed? Dec 13 12:32:32 ahhhh Dec 13 12:33:07 qwerty12_N800: http://www.linuxmonitor.net/blog/2007/03/ripping-mp3s-from-lastfm-with-linux.html <- and this for a potential use .. :) Dec 13 12:33:16 morning Meizirkki Dec 13 12:33:26 morning Dec 13 12:33:26 * pupnik_ has a mind sharp as a cooked tomato Dec 13 12:34:16 Stskeeps, nice! could be easier than using that gtk-gnutella compile... Dec 13 12:34:24 yeah Dec 13 12:34:47 i was mostly thinking of some alarm-using app that wakes up, caches music for you next morning, or something Dec 13 12:36:13 networked alarm app that cahces music from your favorite station, then randomly switches the short mixes with people in the cloud, so you wake up to someone elses favorite everyday Dec 13 12:36:24 -dyslexia Dec 13 12:36:30 lcuk: hehe.. yeah, that's possible too Dec 13 12:41:52 * Stskeeps ponders what to do today Dec 13 12:43:51 Evidently, the hardness of using pressure sensitive applications on my N800 due to dropping it and bashing the N800 is showing. :/ Dec 13 12:53:13 reason number one for not running sb2 as root, it will -probably- trash your original OS :> Dec 13 12:53:55 I swear sb1 fux up the permissions of /tmp each time :p Dec 13 13:11:26 oooOOooooh http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fujitsu-LifeBook-U1010-Smallest-Tablet-Convertible-UMPC_W0QQitemZ290279643769QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Laptops_EH?hash=item290279643769&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1300|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 Dec 13 13:15:13 what is there? Dec 13 13:17:28 Another UMPC? Dec 13 13:18:46 * Stskeeps ponders why the hell sbox2 doesn't seem to manage to wrap unlinkat Dec 13 13:19:59 Stskeeps: unlinkat called by a emulated arm binary orhost binary? Dec 13 13:21:16 suihkulokki: emulated arm binary. in contrast, rename wrapping works Dec 13 13:22:08 Stskeeps: iirc qemu calls some *at syscalls directly (instead of via glibc) so those don't get redirected Dec 13 13:22:20 hmm Dec 13 13:22:29 Stskeeps: the sdk+ qemu is supposed to have workarounds for those Dec 13 13:22:37 alright, will look into that, ta Dec 13 13:22:57 had a problem of unlinkat getting mapped to actual syscall unlinkat(unmappedpath) so Dec 13 13:23:09 which i guess is why sb2 shouldn't be run as root :) Dec 13 13:24:46 though after reading source for sbox2, i have respect for what it does Dec 13 13:25:24 Stskeeps, thats like looking into the tardis Dec 13 13:25:59 sb2's mostly missing the last 5% (and some major fixings in linux-user qemu) Dec 13 13:26:07 ofcourse, the last 5% take most of the time :P Dec 13 13:26:41 hehe Dec 13 13:26:47 heh, 95% of sb2 was knocked up in a weekend, the other % has been ongoing since :P Dec 13 13:33:07 hi, how can I start gpsd manually? Dec 13 13:35:24 suihkulokki: that did the trick! Dec 13 13:36:37 (and thanks!) Dec 13 13:42:33 Stskeeps: glad to help :) Dec 13 13:42:43 so, what's the last 5% stuff mostly about? Dec 13 13:49:07 would the hw-kwyboard work in Mer is i do something like cp -R /usr/share/X11/xkb /debian/usr/share/X11/ (suggested in Xmodmap thread at itT Dec 13 13:49:17 s/is/if/ Dec 13 13:49:18 Meizirkki meant: would the hw-kwyboard work in Mer if i do something like cp -R /usr/share/X11/xkb /debian/usr/share/X11/ (suggested in Xmodmap thread at itT Dec 13 13:49:38 Stskeeps: basicly the stuff you end up bumping in - lack of docs, better help flags, some simple setup allowing you to use it without SDK+ etc Dec 13 13:49:46 *nod* Dec 13 13:49:52 Meizirkki: possibly Dec 13 13:50:07 Meizirkki: .. or just getting the xkbdata Dec 13 13:50:09 i think Dec 13 13:50:16 ok Dec 13 13:50:57 * Stskeeps continues with trying to get a sdk going Dec 13 14:07:09 ~curse SigmaTel Dec 13 14:07:10 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, SigmaTel ! Dec 13 14:22:52 nice.. firefox is coming to s60 as well http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2008/12/12/mozilla-developer-announces-mobile-firefox-for-s60/ Dec 13 14:23:06 also, htlounge has interesting speculations Dec 13 14:24:01 * disco_stu thinks the future is webkit Dec 13 14:25:52 Competition never hurts Dec 13 14:26:18 I agree. It's goot to have two excellent open source engines out there Dec 13 14:29:06 i want to install tear but Dec 13 14:29:52 in diablo libicu is newer, so it wont install Dec 13 14:36:48 disco_stu: it worked here Dec 13 14:37:17 using libicu4? Dec 13 14:37:39 don't know :P Dec 13 14:42:31 yesterday was the first time i could use a n810 Dec 13 14:42:55 it wasnt what i expected Dec 13 14:43:29 i guess i like more my n800 Dec 13 14:44:23 the HW keyboard isnt that good Dec 13 14:44:31 so, what did you expect? Dec 13 14:45:53 Meizirkki, i thought hw keyboard will allow very fast input.. Dec 13 14:46:58 what was the problem? Dec 13 14:48:04 i guess mostly the size of the keys Dec 13 14:48:48 n810 hw-keyboard keys does not really feel to pressed Dec 13 14:49:01 but kb-sound helps :) Dec 13 14:49:52 Hi, does anyone knows a way to setup a cross-toolchain for a n770 on an x86_64? Dec 13 14:50:51 Bypassing the install script check for uname produces interesting results, but nothing functional. Dec 13 14:51:54 bearclaw_, use vmware with the sdk image Dec 13 14:51:58 there is somewhere in the web instructions for chrooted system? Dec 13 14:53:52 disco_stu: good idea. But I'd rather like a cross-compiler working in my standard environment if possible. Dec 13 14:54:09 bearclaw_: look at maemo sdk+ or the likes Dec 13 14:54:26 bearclaw_, good luck with that Dec 13 14:59:05 Cross-building always seems to involve a lot of magic :) Dec 13 15:00:29 I got the cross-toolchain from codesourcery, gcc runs and its -v seems the same as the one in scratchbox. But executables made by the former gives "illegal instructions" when run on the n770. Dec 13 15:01:01 Whereas they work when built by the gcc in scratchbox. Dec 13 15:01:03 remembering to not have vfp, for instance? :P Dec 13 15:02:46 NOT have vpf? Dec 13 15:02:51 *vfp Dec 13 15:02:58 derf: yeah, no vfp on 770 Dec 13 15:03:12 .. i think Dec 13 15:03:13 Oh, right. 770. Dec 13 15:03:27 vfp? Dec 13 15:03:37 Hardware floating point unit. Dec 13 15:12:05 :( i burnt my hand Dec 13 15:12:42 :( Dec 13 15:12:48 exploding n810? Dec 13 15:13:50 no, cooking bacon (for the first time in weeks). got splashed by fat . dropped rasher in Dec 13 15:13:59 its not that bad, but hurting Dec 13 15:15:57 ah Dec 13 15:20:26 ~curse everything Dec 13 15:20:35 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, everything ! Dec 13 15:25:13 satisfaction guaranteed Dec 13 15:39:07 afternoon b-man Dec 13 15:44:27 Later for now, everybody. Dec 13 15:44:34 * GeneralAntilles wont be at this nick again until January. Dec 13 15:45:01 ah - semester break? Dec 13 15:45:33 heh, enjoy GeneralAntilles :D Dec 13 15:46:10 bye GeneralAntilles Dec 13 15:46:51 promotion to overlord? Dec 13 15:54:28 It's morning here. :p Dec 13 15:54:33 hay qwerty, how are you doing? Dec 13 15:54:41 ....... Dec 13 15:55:07 hi b-man, i'm good thanks, how about you? Dec 13 15:55:25 ooh. this last.fm ripper is going to be my next favourite tool Dec 13 15:55:36 I'm doing fine, a bit grogy but fine.. Dec 13 15:55:51 hehe Dec 13 16:01:27 So what are any of you guys going for the holidays?, i'm possibly going to Chicago. Dec 13 16:02:30 a mix really.. day before xmas eve me and gf visit my dad and my family and have a traditional thing there.. and then she leaves for the south in .dk to spend xmas with her parents and brother.. and then i join up with them the day after xmas eve Dec 13 16:02:31 edit: so whare are you guys going for the holidays?, i'm going to Chicago Dec 13 16:02:34 so a bit of travelling Dec 13 16:02:36 :P Dec 13 16:02:56 sorry. :p Dec 13 16:03:15 ~curse Scratchbox Dec 13 16:03:16 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Scratchbox ! Dec 13 16:06:02 I wish i was visiting my sister in california, it's really nice ware she lives. Dec 13 16:09:00 b-man: where are you now ? Dec 13 16:09:51 In Bowling Green Ohio... it's really cold here...... Dec 13 16:10:55 (united states) Dec 13 16:12:59 Sitting behind a couch at my grandparents house. :p Dec 13 16:13:34 b-man: here is 30°C right now Dec 13 16:14:26 it's probably about 25 F here... it got down to about 18 last night. Dec 13 16:15:24 wow .. thats really cold Dec 13 16:15:37 thats balls back in the body cold. Dec 13 16:15:48 i hope you have good heaters Dec 13 16:15:55 Damn that's cold! Dec 13 16:16:12 (Thank god for google's calculator) Dec 13 16:16:15 yah, it Dec 13 16:16:44 sorry, damn on-screen keyboard! Dec 13 16:16:52 if there was a god, there wouldnt be temps that low Dec 13 16:17:05 b-man, hehe, pressed down on a letter? Dec 13 16:17:08 if you lick your n810 bezel will your tongue stick to it Dec 13 16:17:19 i hate the cold. Dec 13 16:17:36 fight it then, with beans and sprouts Dec 13 16:17:41 (and supply gas masks) Dec 13 16:17:50 ? Dec 13 16:17:56 * disco_stu is going to have lunch Dec 13 16:18:02 see you later guys Dec 13 16:18:05 cya latert Dec 13 16:18:11 see ya Dec 13 16:18:23 fight the cold with fart power Dec 13 16:18:23 bye Dec 13 16:18:50 That's discusting. Dec 13 16:19:40 but helps global warming Dec 13 16:20:21 How does it help that?? it only adds greenhouse gases. Dec 13 16:21:06 b-man: obviously helps with getting things warmer.. :P Dec 13 16:21:59 I usually ware a huge coat when ever i come out. :D Dec 13 16:25:08 actually farting release methan gas, which is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 Dec 13 16:25:30 so hold it in for the planet! Dec 13 16:25:32 Depends on who farts. Dec 13 16:25:50 global warming is alone caused by the existence of cows on the planet. Dec 13 16:25:50 :P Dec 13 16:25:51 wasnt me Dec 13 16:25:51 And his diet. Dec 13 16:26:25 * RST38h wonders loudly: Have dinosaurs brought it on yourselves? Dec 13 16:26:41 x29a, whoever smelt it dealt it, now open the window you slack arsed cloud generator Dec 13 16:27:13 damn x29a supplied it but it seems like it was multiplied by lcuk Dec 13 16:27:45 and now you went and ignited it, thanks qwerty12 - you owe us all new eyebrows Dec 13 16:28:24 b-man: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-imager-20081207-2126.tar.gz - requires /bin/md5sum on maemo, debootstrap from http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10ubuntu1_all.deb , and a fresh ext3 partition. then, sh imager targets/mer-n800-fs-only /TARGET/FILESYSTEM .. and it should bootstrap away. beware: not for faint at heart ;) Dec 13 16:28:49 dont have a final image ready at this moment and im going somewhere in 30 mins so :P Dec 13 16:29:01 lcuk, no problems Dec 13 16:29:21 * qwerty12 goes and cuts off some of lcuk's [short] hair Dec 13 16:33:04 can somebody please once again be kind enough to test my synthesiser ...i tried to release a 1.1 update but it stayed at 1.0 :( .... Dec 13 16:33:17 http://www.poojyum.com/boxar/boxar-1.1-1.deb thanks Dec 13 16:35:17 @ Stskeeps; Thanks! Dec 13 16:36:10 jagernot: you got source on it, or only the deb? Dec 13 16:36:48 christendoc: i think its got both..or u can get it off http://garage.maemo.org/projects/boxar Dec 13 16:36:55 from SCM Dec 13 16:44:09 christendoc: works? :) Dec 13 16:48:03 jagernot: I don't know. You've only got a .deb available, and I'm not running maemo or deblet on my tablet. Dec 13 16:49:37 im sorry but i dont understand what you mean by ive only got a .deb available? Dec 13 16:50:37 thank you for offering to test anyway. Dec 13 16:51:06 christendoc: .. what are you running then? Dec 13 16:51:13 On both your site and the maemo garage site, there's a boxar-1.1-1.deb available, but no source code available. Dec 13 16:51:16 Gentoo Dec 13 16:51:21 on tablet Dec 13 16:51:29 oh, someone actually succeeded? slon had to give up :P Dec 13 16:51:35 Gentoo!?!?! Dec 13 16:51:41 wow!! Dec 13 16:51:46 I've got a ways to go, still, but yes. It boots. Dec 13 16:51:52 k Dec 13 16:52:05 Stskeeps, he never stopped trying, its been building since March Dec 13 16:52:23 christen: use svn and check it out Dec 13 16:52:23 wow... Dec 13 16:52:23 christendoc, how far have you got with it then Dec 13 16:52:33 christendoc: boxar is free software :) Dec 13 16:52:36 Had to patch maemo kernel to get non-eabi binaries (gentoo seeds are oldabi) Dec 13 16:52:55 Some kind souls here told me yesterday about linux-omap, and I'm playing with that today. Dec 13 16:53:23 wow, ubuntu, debian, gentoo, android, maemo..... wow Dec 13 16:53:39 christendoc: but you're on new abi then? Dec 13 16:53:40 I'm trying to build new enough gcc to switch chost and get clean EABI built. Dec 13 16:53:41 now Dec 13 16:53:42 ah Dec 13 16:54:03 b-man: yeah.. versatile device we have Dec 13 16:55:03 christendoc, are you emerging on device itself or hiding inside sb? Dec 13 16:55:35 qemu and on-device. qemu I haven't gotten to work right, so mostly distcc between two n810s Dec 13 16:55:52 nice :) Dec 13 16:56:12 would be nicer if 1 n810's screen wasn't spider-web cracked Dec 13 16:56:14 christendoc: it's possible to distcc to a cross-compiler too Dec 13 16:56:21 oh no Dec 13 16:56:47 christendoc: did that for a while when i got insane over compiling natively :P Dec 13 16:57:07 Yes. I used to with x86/64, but got some odd breakages back then, so I haven't tried with arm/x86 Dec 13 16:57:30 spider-web cracked?, what did you do to it? Dec 13 16:58:14 dropped on asphalt (sp?) tile. Everything else works right, but I dunno how to replace a screen (or where to get one) hence 2 n810s now :) Dec 13 16:59:01 send for repair? Dec 13 16:59:08 have you enquired to nokia about cost? Dec 13 16:59:26 try googling for parts? Dec 13 16:59:40 Both my 810s were bought off ITT used. Tried google. Found n800 screens, no n810. Dec 13 17:00:06 That's too bad... Dec 13 17:00:19 Nokia themselves are very vague, and seem to want order# even if I tell them Dec 13 17:00:23 "its out of warranty" Dec 13 17:00:33 just want repair at whatever you'll charge Dec 13 17:01:00 But now I've got a live box and a development box :) Dec 13 17:01:26 christendoc: you hack kernel up to boot your own partition, or use bootmenu? Dec 13 17:01:38 bootmenu. Dec 13 17:01:43 alright Dec 13 17:01:46 no linuxrc Dec 13 17:01:47 cool! Dec 13 17:01:59 solca's working on a kexec enabled boot menu chooser Dec 13 17:02:51 which will probably be cross-distro (shared amongst mer, compatible with maemo, android, maybe gentoo? ;) Dec 13 17:03:21 Do you have a console or desktop? Dec 13 17:03:23 that would be nice, no more fear of bricking while playing with the kernel Dec 13 17:03:24 Has he got any info up on it? Dec 13 17:03:32 Still at console (framebuffer) Dec 13 17:04:16 mm, think he has a page, sec Dec 13 17:04:29 http://guug.org/nit/nitselector/ Dec 13 17:04:40 yeah Dec 13 17:05:14 @ christendoc; have you documented it somewhere? Dec 13 17:06:11 That's impressive looking. Dec 13 17:06:56 b-man: I've got my OLD, OLD attempt documented (way too extensively) at www.nosocomia.com/blog, but the new (month-old) work I don't have recorded. It's much simpler than what I was trying Dec 13 17:07:10 except -- need proper old ABI support -- that was a nasty to work out. Dec 13 17:07:22 Gentoo has no EABI stages Dec 13 17:07:30 but I'll have one up soon :) Dec 13 17:14:50 how did it get to 5pm Dec 13 17:16:00 what? Dec 13 17:18:47 its 5pm and ive done nothing Dec 13 17:18:57 well, nothing productive :) Dec 13 17:22:20 Note to self: dpatch works best under scratchbox when you run it with fakeroot Dec 13 17:27:39 it's noon here. Dec 13 17:44:10 christendoc, oh you're -that- guy (blog) Dec 13 17:45:15 :) do tell Dec 13 17:46:08 just read it at some point Dec 13 17:46:39 Well, it's due for a massive update (but not nearly as massive as it was originally) Dec 13 17:54:04 damn i cant install webkit under Diablo Dec 13 18:03:59 ~lawyers Linus Torvalds Dec 13 18:04:16 doesn't work. Dec 13 18:07:13 RST38h: does finger detection work for you ? Dec 13 18:07:44 it is supposed to open fullscrenn keyboard when i tap with my finger, but it opens the small one instead Dec 13 18:07:55 disco_stu, are you using diablo? Dec 13 18:07:59 yes Dec 13 18:08:10 should work then, works for me on a N800 in diablo Dec 13 18:08:26 in chinook they messed things up regarding finger detection but all was well in diablo Dec 13 18:08:44 qwerty12: when i choose the fullscreen to open with finger and stylus it works Dec 13 18:08:54 if i choose finger only it doesnt Dec 13 18:09:34 odd :/. I guess stylus + finger makes it more sensitive Dec 13 18:09:56 new synaptic sucks Dec 13 18:10:31 qwerty12: i found a parameter in gconf-editor Dec 13 18:10:43 it says thumb_detection Dec 13 18:10:45 cool Dec 13 18:10:50 moved from 0 to 1 Dec 13 18:10:51 New synaptic automatically build some kind of search index thing and it takes soo much memory, that the whole X crashes Dec 13 18:11:00 :( Dec 13 18:11:08 and get the same effect when choose finger + stylus Dec 13 18:11:19 Meizirkki, damn, that sucks. it reminds me of what the current hildon application manager does now :/ Dec 13 18:23:26 it freaks me out Dec 13 18:24:00 qwerty12: do you have different keyboards when using finger/stylus ? Dec 13 18:24:28 yes, but I'm in the habit of pressing with my thumb Dec 13 18:25:03 why it doesnt work to me ? Dec 13 18:25:24 rotation patch ? Dec 13 18:28:32 my fingers are 6 times a stylus Dec 13 18:28:33 lol Dec 13 18:31:17 damn Dec 13 18:44:17 0 Dec 13 18:44:24 um Dec 13 18:44:27 sorry Dec 13 18:45:54 where can i get dsmetool (for mer) ? Dec 13 18:47:27 it's closed source.. you can try copying it from initfs or maemo Dec 13 18:48:32 but dsmetool runs apps (with conditions, granted), you could probably get around from having to use it Dec 13 18:50:31 i installed osso-esd Dec 13 18:50:43 from deblet repo Dec 13 18:51:20 so there should be package containing dsmetools somewhere around Dec 13 18:52:17 hmm, is there a autostart-script where i could add xmodmap and xbindkeys ? Dec 13 18:57:43 hi! Dec 13 19:03:59 christendoc, when I bought a screen for my n800, mytrendyohone had also one for the 810, around 80 EUR Dec 13 19:04:40 s/mytrendyohne/mytrendyphone/ Dec 13 19:04:57 olivluca: Nice! thanks for the tip. Dec 13 19:06:18 hi solca Dec 13 19:07:01 hi Meizirkki Dec 13 19:07:28 latest android is really nice :) Dec 13 19:07:43 thx, it seems is improving nicely... Dec 13 19:08:03 how did you make the Fn key work? Dec 13 19:08:55 I create a custom charmap that fits exactly the N810 keyboard Dec 13 19:09:04 k Dec 13 19:09:07 although Ctrl doesn't work Dec 13 19:09:23 it does work but Android doesn't have the notion about that key Dec 13 19:09:27 so it's useless Dec 13 19:09:42 ok Dec 13 19:10:09 too I used the andrewfblack's artwork for the nitdroid animation Dec 13 19:10:33 it looks pretty cool now :) Dec 13 19:11:18 I'll keep improving it as it uses opengl es Dec 13 19:11:25 so there's room for improvement Dec 13 19:12:16 is opengl es = software based acceleration ? Dec 13 19:12:24 christendoc, I commented about mytrendyphone here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23768 Dec 13 19:12:47 gl-es is a subset of GL for small devices,, the iPhone is GL-ES Dec 13 19:12:56 it's still hardware GL Dec 13 19:13:00 but less extensions Dec 13 19:13:05 uh, i think Dec 13 19:13:17 the chip does less, but accels anyways Dec 13 19:13:19 Meizirkki: opengl es = opengl for embedded systems Dec 13 19:13:25 remember virge was sold as a 3d card of sorts.. Dec 13 19:13:36 Meizirkki: but it's not hardware accelerated in the NITs Dec 13 19:13:58 Meizirkki: as there are no drivers... Dec 13 19:14:05 it's just an api Dec 13 19:14:22 olivluca: Where'd you get the torx bit (online?) Dec 13 19:15:03 solca: ok Dec 13 19:15:26 Meizirkki: does dns resolution works fine for you? in some APs I can't surf without manually setting the DNS Dec 13 19:15:32 I got it at a local store Dec 13 19:18:15 are you in germany? (only nation mentioned in your post) Dec 13 19:18:36 nope, spain Dec 13 19:18:56 solca: worked with my AP Dec 13 19:19:16 but the german shop had less vat :-) Dec 13 19:19:42 Meizirkki: ok Dec 13 19:19:48 got it. I'm US. Had trouble finding torx without ebay. Gave up. Got new n810. Used old one as experimental box. Dec 13 19:22:49 * lcuk raises a glass to christendoc for being productive with the worlds first headless touchscreen tablet Dec 13 19:23:46 heh heh, thanks, lcuk Dec 13 19:28:04 worlds firts? what about my 2 wsod 770s Dec 13 19:28:14 firts... Dec 13 19:29:05 I've just finished creating a instalation launcher for the Mer imager; it basicly mounts/formats your mmc partition and then launches the imager with all of the parameters you would specifie in the launcher. - a little crude but it works! ;) Dec 13 19:31:19 solca: could you add instructions "how to get maemo back" to the NITdroid page? Dec 13 19:32:23 if there is no better server i have uploaded the original diablo kernel to http://personal.inet.fi/surf/deweb/evo/goodimage Dec 13 19:58:34 is it possible to use the built-in chat client to send/receive sms via google chat? Dec 13 19:59:12 you can send by email if you know the carrier. Dec 13 19:59:14 i doubt google set up a sms gateway Dec 13 19:59:40 they don't have any other gateways installed, hell you can't even do file xfers over their xmpp, so why would they have implemented anything else correctly? Dec 13 19:59:52 * Mousey rants Dec 13 20:00:37 I knew about email...just figured it'd be a nice ui if the built-in chat client could do it...oh well :/ Dec 13 22:09:59 how can I find out what's taking up space on my internal memory card? (/media/mmc2) Dec 13 22:10:15 find Dec 13 22:10:19 du Dec 13 22:10:36 df -h tells me there's 1.2g used, du -sh shows only ~550Megs Dec 13 22:11:00 no hidden files, they've all been deleted Dec 13 22:11:19 try re-formatting? Dec 13 22:11:33 well there's stuff I'd like to *not* remove? Dec 13 22:11:59 and I didn't say I wanted to remove anything at all, just find out what's taking up the room Dec 13 22:12:21 you know, it's like when you're cleaning out your room, you want some more space, but if you find a hot girl, you don't put her in the trash Dec 13 22:14:38 try this; go into your browser, type in file:///media/mmc2/ - you could have hidden files. (anything with . before the word) Dec 13 22:14:57 [22:11] (crashanddie) no hidden files, they've all been deleted Dec 13 22:15:11 anyway, I took your advice, just formatted Dec 13 22:15:28 weird though that a stock n810 has corrupt memory Dec 13 22:16:00 crashanddie, wow, you bought another n810? Dec 13 22:16:06 yeah Dec 13 22:16:12 damn :/ Dec 13 22:16:18 well I had to replace the old one Dec 13 22:16:26 and didn't want to wait on the nx00 Dec 13 22:16:38 why? Dec 13 22:16:52 yeah, i was just hoping (blindly) that you'd get your old one back Dec 13 22:17:01 it's been stolen Dec 13 22:17:08 in another city, in another country Dec 13 22:17:12 you rarely get your stuff back Dec 13 22:17:20 that sucks Dec 13 22:17:25 hi qwerty Dec 13 22:17:32 but hey, the hotel's paying for it, so fuck it :) Dec 13 22:17:44 hey woglinde Dec 13 22:17:46 hehe Dec 13 22:17:48 I had it for a week or sumtin Dec 13 22:17:56 just never unboxed it, haven't had the time Dec 13 22:18:20 Transmission any good on the n810? Dec 13 22:18:39 I figure that if I'm going to be downloading shit, I might as well download it straight to the device, any recommendations, Dec 13 22:18:39 ? Dec 13 22:19:09 I've hildonized quite a few parts of it so I'd be biased if I said yes Dec 13 22:20:57 I was more thinking along the lines of "NOOOOOO IT'LL KILL YOUR FLASH MEMORY" Dec 13 22:21:26 qwerty12_N800, got yourself a decent sd card? Dec 13 22:22:06 hehe, dunno, i never download large files through the tablet (>600MB) & i can replace my sd card Dec 13 22:22:28 crashanddie, class 2 sandisk 8gb, slow but pretty stable Dec 13 22:22:58 dude Dec 13 22:23:01 you have an n800 Dec 13 22:23:13 and? :P Dec 13 22:23:14 you should be beating the shit out of us with 2x 32gig SD cards Dec 13 22:23:37 hehe, i'm broke, what can I say :P Dec 13 22:26:24 any cool hacks that you've been working on qwerty? Dec 13 22:27:16 nope, been getting all my programs and games back after reflashing :D Dec 13 22:27:17 qwerty12_N800, get a job you fucking chav Dec 13 22:27:42 qwerty12_N800, some people here actually work hard every day so that fuckers like you get a somewhat decent pay Dec 13 22:28:11 crashanddie, i'm from the north, i'm offended that you called me a chav :(. Hehe, i will do when I start college Dec 13 22:28:15 qwerty12_N800, so get your fucking ass off to the jobcenter YAY, and get busting those nuts off on junior day Dec 13 22:28:49 i know.. i'm a lazy bellend :( Dec 13 22:28:52 hmm Dec 13 22:29:02 If I don't watch it, I'm going to go ghetto style here Dec 13 22:29:12 Yeah dawg, wassup with da gang Dec 13 22:29:37 Do I know you? :P Dec 13 22:29:47 ooooh Dec 13 22:29:52 tranmission CPU intensive much? Dec 13 22:30:35 Yeah, pretty much the same with anything that writes to the card :( Dec 13 22:30:59 lol Dec 13 22:31:08 it's so bad the actual screen doesn't display anymore Dec 13 22:31:33 well, i'd better get it downloading on my laptop if I want to watch something in the plane tomorrow Dec 13 22:31:56 dual wifi network cards for the wiiiiin Dec 13 22:31:57 Hehe, yeah, speeds aren't mindblowing on the tablet :P Dec 13 22:33:01 lol... "Status: Stalled" ... No, really? Dec 13 22:34:13 yay, the sarcasm engine i built into works :) Dec 13 22:35:24 brb, hopping to the neighbour's network, much better download speeds Dec 13 22:37:28 welcome back Dec 13 22:37:28 actually... I wonder Dec 13 22:37:42 does the bbc iPlayer downloaded files play on the n810? Dec 13 22:37:47 do** Dec 13 22:45:42 For anyone still interested, here's a quick-made howto gentoo on n810. Throw angry email my way when you encounter ommisions/errors: Dec 13 22:45:46 http://www.nosocomia.com/n810-gentoo/index.html Dec 13 22:47:19 Will I become like the skeleton in the first pic due to going crazy over compilw times? :P :) Dec 13 22:47:31 s/compilw/compile/ Dec 13 22:47:32 qwerty12_N800 meant: Will I become like the skeleton in the first pic due to going crazy over compile times? :P :) Dec 13 22:48:16 qwerty12_N800: almost definitely Dec 13 22:48:24 I've been rebuilding gcc for over a day now Dec 13 22:48:30 Hehe Dec 13 22:48:31 (and I've obviously done it before) Dec 13 22:49:05 Eventually, I'll get cross-dev working for this, but that's a little down the priority list, still. Dec 13 22:49:25 what sin are you repenting for? Dec 13 22:49:42 eh? Dec 13 22:50:18 Adulterous love of Gentoo, I suppose :) Dec 13 22:51:18 Interesting, how come you specify -mcpu=strongarm110? Dec 13 22:51:34 lol Dec 13 22:51:40 I use something like arm1136-jf-s Dec 13 22:51:47 It's in the armv4l stages. I'll be moving to armv6j when I get all recompiled my way. Dec 13 22:51:55 -mcpu=strongarm110 has performance impatc Dec 13 22:52:01 I guess Dec 13 22:52:01 Ah right Dec 13 22:53:49 christendoc, regarding retu and time, tried a 'chroot /mnt/initfs retutime' and played around? Dec 13 22:54:40 not yet. My first priority is switching kernel to linux-omap. Then I'll see about retu and the stlc45xx module. Dec 13 23:03:45 qwerty12_N800, you will become that skeleton regardless of the OS you use Dec 13 23:04:34 crashanddie_, why, thank you for those warming words Dec 13 23:05:11 no problem Dec 13 23:05:22 heh Dec 13 23:05:49 crashanddie! Dec 13 23:06:03 You catch the git for Garage stuff Dec 13 23:06:38 GAN800, yes, it is a conspiracy from freenode to hide your only sentence of the evening in an ocean of quit/join floods Dec 13 23:07:09 GAN800, yes, I half read the fact that Git might make it to the Garage Dec 13 23:07:11 good news Dec 13 23:10:46 hey, um, is it only me, or does maemo-recorder clash with gstreamer-0.10-plugins-extra? Dec 13 23:11:30 crashanddie, ferenc was looking for any additional input from people that had asked previously Dec 13 23:11:55 I said I'd bug them, but since you and jott have dropped off the radar. :P Dec 13 23:14:28 good nite Dec 13 23:20:22 GAN800, aye Dec 13 23:20:36 GAN800, I usually still answer my email Dec 13 23:20:58 GAN800, and quite frankly, can't be arsed to organise my priorities at the moment Dec 13 23:21:03 so maemo is pretty much at the bottom Dec 13 23:21:05 Right, that. :P Dec 13 23:27:51 fin moi j'en ai pas grand chose à branler, elle fait la pute, j'm'en lave les mains, puis, célib c'est mieux de toute manière Dec 13 23:34:06 woops Dec 13 23:34:36 Don't worry about it. We anglophones were all impressed. :) Dec 13 23:35:14 don't need to speak french to impress you ;) Dec 13 23:35:17 * GAN800 is highly offended. Dec 13 23:35:19 BITCHES Dec 13 23:35:36 * GAN800 plays with the banhammer Dec 13 23:35:45 GAN800 wanna be offended? Dec 13 23:35:54 American is the new French Dec 13 23:35:55 :D Dec 13 23:35:57 I'm always offended Dec 13 23:36:22 American is a language? :P Dec 13 23:36:34 I was more thinking in terms of nationality Dec 13 23:37:05 :P Dec 13 23:37:55 Beanie, check. Scarf, check. Leather gloves, check. Bag packed, check. Laptop packed, check. Passport, check. Plane tickets, check. Dec 13 23:39:11 New n810 loaded with 32gig worth of movies, tv shows and music, check. Double battery pack loaded and ready to go, check. Dec 13 23:39:24 Yes siree, I'm ready to go :) Dec 13 23:39:46 gtfo, then. Dec 13 23:40:29 stfu Dec 13 23:40:36 Plane is only at 11 tomorrow morning Dec 13 23:47:27 hi Dec 13 23:58:27 hello - I am finally looking to update my N800 Dec 13 23:58:40 It has OS 2007 and I think I have all the instructions and download Dec 13 23:59:02 but I vaguely remember something about the fm radio app going away Dec 13 23:59:10 I use that app Dec 13 23:59:22 no, it's still in os2008 Dec 13 23:59:31 ok good Dec 14 00:00:01 but you have to install it from the app manager yourself Dec 14 00:00:02 if I run into trouble - is the the right place for update help? Dec 14 00:00:09 I can install it myself Dec 14 00:10:49 hello all Dec 14 00:11:29 guess what I installed today? Dec 14 00:12:46 jakemaheu: tell us Dec 14 00:13:13 windows 7 Dec 14 00:13:18 build 6801 Dec 14 00:13:47 i've run xp pro for the past, um, as long as it's been out, and I'm seriously considering using this regularly Dec 14 00:14:18 hmm.. not sure anyone on this channel will be interested in that? :) Dec 14 00:14:32 meh, it still runs great Dec 14 00:14:44 unless you installed in on an internet tablet Dec 14 00:15:07 i have most (read: all the important media and files) on a 200gb drive separated from my regular 80gb drive Dec 14 00:15:21 meh, don't make me pull a thoughtfix on you guys Dec 14 00:19:07 for those who don't know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nS9kOtA7A Dec 14 00:26:08 is there a way to get GIMP without easy debain or the lot? Dec 14 00:26:14 *debian Dec 14 00:27:31 huh? Dec 14 00:27:54 http://www.gimp.org/downloads/ Dec 14 00:28:12 on the tablet Dec 14 00:28:47 oh Dec 14 00:28:48 nm Dec 14 00:29:07 is it feasable to simply compile it on the tablet with make? Dec 14 00:29:36 i'd crosscompile if i were you.. and why are you trying to fit an elephant in a shoebox anyway? Dec 14 00:30:22 i dunno, just curious Dec 14 00:30:30 how big is it compiled? Dec 14 00:30:31 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-5903.html Dec 14 00:31:49 tyvm Dec 14 00:31:51 brb Dec 14 00:33:23 np Dec 14 00:33:41 the gimp is gargantuhuge Dec 14 00:34:18 like fitting whale in dingy Dec 14 00:35:16 i love that word Dec 14 00:35:27 gargantuhuge Dec 14 00:35:41 i'm reading that log right now tho Dec 14 00:35:55 good luck Dec 14 00:38:24 holy crap Dec 14 00:38:46 i only have 8.12mb of free space on my internal flash Dec 14 00:39:02 so many people's complaints now make sense Dec 14 00:40:04 ~clone-sd Dec 14 00:40:14 ~boot-sd Dec 14 00:40:15 extra, extra, read all about it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Dec 14 00:40:19 even Dec 14 00:42:04 booting from a flash card just seems so inconvenient to me Dec 14 00:42:06 i dunno Dec 14 00:56:04 how long did it take you to install windows 7? you could have done something worthwhile with that time instead... Dec 14 00:57:19 honestly, like 30 min at most, prolly 20 Dec 14 00:57:39 i played with my tablet while i waited and my lappy with ubuntu Dec 14 00:57:53 hehe, windows 2000 took me 4 hours :p Dec 14 00:58:02 nice Dec 14 00:58:12 xp usually takes like a full hour Dec 14 00:58:16 (xp pro) Dec 14 00:59:01 it runs as smoothly as xp pro on my ancient system (amd athlon xp+ 2500, 1 gb ddr, 80gb hdd) Dec 14 00:59:30 oh, also radeon x1300 pro agp Dec 14 00:59:34 my comp sucks Dec 14 01:00:01 perky Dec 14 01:01:46 in belgium the poor get free 2nd hand PC from government Dec 14 01:02:07 maybe including some nice government secrets a-la USBUK =] Dec 14 01:02:40 in the UK, the MI6 beats YOU with an USB stick... Dec 14 01:02:56 tablet needs to bee mpte, udsble when drunlk! Dec 14 01:03:57 hmm, i draw the line elsewhere... if you can use it on LSD its usable software Dec 14 01:04:12 that's like using canola regualarly Dec 14 01:04:16 *regularly Dec 14 01:04:40 btw, hai stskeeps Dec 14 01:04:49 er, "stsN800" Dec 14 01:09:09 hai Dec 14 01:21:02 i'm breaking a habit and replacing it with altoids Dec 14 01:21:06 :D Dec 14 01:24:22 you'll have to guess the habit tho Dec 14 01:47:57 So Joseph and his pregnant fiancee turn up on Xmas Eve and there is no room at the inn. Dec 14 01:48:15 Silly! You need to book weeks ahead at Xmas! Dec 14 01:48:31 Had they thought ahead they could have had a nice warm room in the pub. Dec 14 01:48:45 Mary would have had the benefit of a midwife while Joe Dec 14 01:48:58 was downstairs singing Xmas carols round the tree when the shepherds turned up. Dec 14 01:49:10 Then the three wise men would roll in and join in the party with wine and ale Dec 14 01:49:29 flowing like crazy. Once she drops the sprog, Mary comes down Dec 14 01:49:47 and joins in the booze-up. "It's a boy!" and cigars all round. Dec 14 01:50:10 THAT's the proper way to start a religion. Dec 14 01:53:50 Happy Xmas everyone. Dec 14 02:21:55 sweet ,my android flash worked! Dec 14 02:32:07 wasn't jesus born in the spring? Dec 14 02:38:18 i thought it was in december, lol Dec 14 02:38:39 wasn't the whole idea of christmas to celebrate the supposed birth of jesus? Dec 14 02:38:58 wasnt jesus jewish? Dec 14 02:39:04 lol he's a heretic Dec 14 02:39:05 maybe his "birth" was the day he came christian Dec 14 02:39:08 ah Dec 14 02:39:14 just a guess ;p Dec 14 02:39:15 that would make sense Dec 14 02:39:18 some, at least Dec 14 02:39:18 you know how its like uhh Dec 14 02:39:22 yeah Dec 14 02:39:25 you put yourself in water or something? Dec 14 02:39:29 and then your "born" ? Dec 14 02:39:34 i dont know christian religion .. sorry Dec 14 02:39:40 maybe its that Dec 14 02:39:47 same here, i'm a pastafarian Dec 14 02:39:55 go FSM! Dec 14 02:39:56 whats that.. i heard that before Dec 14 02:40:08 flying spaghetti monster Dec 14 02:40:15 veganza.org Dec 14 02:41:00 er, www.venganza.org Dec 14 02:43:18 Christmas is in December because the winter solstice the pagans celebrated was in December. Dec 14 02:43:39 Just like Easter used to be a fertility rite (hence the easter eggs). Dec 14 02:57:20 who here is running the NITdroid port? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 14 02:59:57 2008