**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 14 02:59:57 2008
Dec 14 03:23:56 <jakemaheu> is anyone still on here?
Dec 14 03:25:14 <r2d2rogers> o/
Dec 14 05:49:34 <rm_you> omfg finals almost done with
Dec 14 05:50:22 <rm_you> i haven't been home in close to two weeks >_<
Dec 14 05:54:26 <Gracana> Lucky. I had to go home last weekend.
Dec 14 07:11:08 <RST38h> moo, rm_you
Dec 14 08:35:52 <spsneo> hello all
Dec 14 08:36:04 <spsneo> I want to contribute to maemo as a developer
Dec 14 08:36:08 <spsneo> how to start?
Dec 14 08:37:06 <`0660> there's quite a lot of documentation on the maemo.org website
Dec 14 08:40:26 <pupnik> here is a preconfigured dev environment spsneo http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
Dec 14 08:42:44 <mavhc> now that's handy
Dec 14 08:46:12 <spsneo> pupnik: thanks
Dec 14 08:46:24 <spsneo> pupnik: Actually i am a kernel hacker
Dec 14 08:46:34 <spsneo> so I would like to do something in kernel internals
Dec 14 08:47:12 <pupnik> fanoush has done some modifications to kernels - high speed mmc access
Dec 14 08:47:54 <pupnik> you could get the 3D GPU working with opengl :)
Dec 14 08:48:13 <spsneo> anything else?
Dec 14 08:48:23 <spsneo> pupnik: is there any list of open projects?
Dec 14 08:48:36 <pupnik> i don't know anything bout kernels.   garage.maemo.org has collaborative projects
Dec 14 08:49:27 <pupnik> wow, i make a good bowl of ramen
Dec 14 08:50:00 <spsneo> pupnik: ok let me check out
Dec 14 09:49:02 <Meiz_mer> Stskeeps: are you alive
Dec 14 09:50:38 <Meiz_mer> i cannot upload to picasa, so what was the scp command :question:
Dec 14 09:50:50 <Stskeeps> sec
Dec 14 09:50:54 <Stskeeps> just woke up, massive hangover
Dec 14 09:51:07 <Meiz_mer> k
Dec 14 09:55:23 <Meiz_mer> i installed something funny from deblet repo, dsme-tools i guess, and now the screen turns off automatically :P
Dec 14 09:56:09 <RST38h> he he he
Dec 14 09:56:13 <RST38h> moo sts
Dec 14 09:57:26 <Stskeeps> Meiz_mer: yeah, that one is neat :P
Dec 14 09:57:38 <Stskeeps> wrote the .py's myself, with protocol hints from powerlaunch
Dec 14 09:57:52 <Meiz_mer> does somebody see anything weird in this pic http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/Screenshot-4.png
Dec 14 09:58:15 <Stskeeps> yes/no.. what client is it?
Dec 14 09:58:16 <Stskeeps> pidgin?
Dec 14 09:58:22 <Meiz_mer> pidgin yes
Dec 14 09:58:37 <Meiz_mer> bit mixing with echo theme :P
Dec 14 09:58:43 <Stskeeps> oh!
Dec 14 09:58:57 <Stskeeps> well that's obviously neat
Dec 14 09:59:30 <Meiz_mer> echo theme is not working
Dec 14 09:59:36 <Meiz_mer> the transparency
Dec 14 09:59:48 <Stskeeps> only mb theme or both?
Dec 14 10:00:05 <Meiz_mer> but i forgot to change matchbox-theme, in start-hildon
Dec 14 10:00:08 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 14 10:00:47 <Meiz_mer> echo as a hildon theme looks ugly
Dec 14 10:01:07 <Meiz_mer> because transparency wont work
Dec 14 10:01:23 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 14 10:01:34 <Stskeeps> lack of some gfx prolly
Dec 14 10:01:44 <Meiz_mer> there is a problem with gimp
Dec 14 10:02:40 <Meiz_mer> as in maemo three browsers are shown as one in the panel. so are gimp windows in mer, but it is impossible to choose witch one to open
Dec 14 10:03:22 <Stskeeps> yeah.. cos of it not really fitting into the hildon form factor
Dec 14 10:03:32 <Meiz_mer> k
Dec 14 10:03:47 <Meiz_mer> dsmetool is missing
Dec 14 10:03:49 <Stskeeps> and that's where stuff like qole's easy debian scripts come in
Dec 14 10:03:51 <Stskeeps> yeah, ignore that
Dec 14 10:03:56 <Meiz_mer> esd naggs about it
Dec 14 10:04:14 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 14 10:04:38 <Meiz_mer> changing volume from abv-bk crashes hildon
Dec 14 10:04:49 <Stskeeps> yeah, probably
Dec 14 10:04:59 <Stskeeps> it changes some gconf or something
Dec 14 10:05:04 <Stskeeps> which probably doesn't exist
Dec 14 10:05:18 <Meiz_mer> ok
Dec 14 10:05:38 <Meiz_mer> crashing problem appeared when i installed osso-esd
Dec 14 10:06:27 <Stskeeps> fact is we probably won't have osso-esd, but have pulseaudio with esound compat instead
Dec 14 10:06:39 <Meiz_mer> ok
Dec 14 10:07:19 <Meiz_mer> bluetooth works well
Dec 14 10:07:46 <Stskeeps> ok, command line or?
Dec 14 10:07:54 <Meiz_mer> bluez-gnome
Dec 14 10:08:07 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 14 10:08:24 <Meiz_mer> applet is not shown as default, but it is useless anyway
Dec 14 10:35:20 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: ping
Dec 14 10:43:08 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: pong
Dec 14 10:45:59 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: so, let's say i have an old install of glibc on my sb2-running computer, and a more updated glibc in the tools distribution. this causes problems doesn't it? (i have stuff like /bin/mkdir: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by /bin/mkdir)
Dec 14 10:46:46 <Stskeeps> just something i noticed
Dec 14 10:47:24 <Stskeeps> if i did let's say, gutsy tools distribution (similar to sb2-running machine), it works fine
Dec 14 10:59:46 <Stskeeps> morning lcuk
Dec 14 11:00:22 <RST38h> lcuk
Dec 14 11:00:22 <lcuk> urgle burgle.   good mornin Stskeeps, feels like i slept for about 2 hours
Dec 14 11:00:28 <qwerty12> hey lcuk
Dec 14 11:00:35 <RST38h> qwert
Dec 14 11:00:42 <qwerty12> RST38
Dec 14 11:00:56 <Stskeeps> lcuk: hangover too?
Dec 14 11:01:30 <lcuk> could say that
Dec 14 11:01:55 <lcuk> and im at the bottom of my baccy pouch, its all dry n horrid
Dec 14 11:01:59 * Stskeeps notes to himself a sdk will always take up a lot of space
Dec 14 11:02:39 * lcuk notes that the partial sdk on my n810 doesnt take up *that* much space.  i had to uninstall crysis to fit it though
Dec 14 11:03:48 <lcuk> ive got a blister on my thumb from yesterdays bacon cooking.  the thing is, its shaped like a mini frying pan
Dec 14 11:05:25 <lcuk> RST38h, did you see the post a couple of weeks back about tearfree rgb
Dec 14 11:07:27 * lcuk taps his microphone
Dec 14 11:12:51 <RST38h> lcuk: no, what was it?
Dec 14 11:13:00 <RST38h> was it from Serge?
Dec 14 11:14:00 <lcuk> yeah
Dec 14 11:14:02 <lcuk> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=246615#post246615
Dec 14 11:24:26 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: hmm.. so the "mkdir" in tools distro still uses libs from host distro?
Dec 14 11:24:34 * RST38h expects Tracker to become the most hated daemon in Fremantle
Dec 14 11:24:38 <suihkulokki> that sounds bad
Dec 14 11:24:40 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: it looks like this, yeah
Dec 14 11:24:53 <RST38h> It will eclipse our old friend the media crawler in the degree of hate!
Dec 14 11:25:01 <Stskeeps> RST38h: successor indeed
Dec 14 11:25:40 <suihkulokki> the whole point of tools distro should be to make you independent of host distro
Dec 14 11:25:48 <RST38h> the desktop version just ate 200+MB of my disk space
Dec 14 11:28:29 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: i guess noone really noticed it cos they're on updated distros :P
Dec 14 11:32:09 <Stskeeps> wb meiz
Dec 14 11:32:36 <Meiz_n810> There is xchat for Mer but it depends on "gnomevfs" whatever
Dec 14 11:32:40 <Meiz_n810> :(
Dec 14 11:32:47 <Stskeeps> yeah.. the old problem
Dec 14 11:33:01 <qwerty12> Compile the maemo one then, I did it in a mer i386 chroot fine
Dec 14 11:33:14 <lcuk> shame theres noone here with an intimate knowledge of the irc protocol
Dec 14 11:33:31 * Stskeeps doesn't know anything
Dec 14 11:33:37 <qwerty12> heh
Dec 14 11:33:53 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: the funny fact is, /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 doesn't exist in tools distribution.
Dec 14 11:33:58 <qwerty12> lcuk, making liqirc?
Dec 14 11:34:21 <lcuk> a kickass clutterified irc client which also ties your friends in chan with real friends and keeps histories of convos amongst emails and stuff ;)
Dec 14 11:34:39 <christendoc> Howdy. I'm compiling n8x0-80.80.14 patches to the 2.6.27 patched linux-omap kernel, but it fails to flash. (maemo kernels flash fine). Any advice?
Dec 14 11:34:56 <christendoc> File size a potential problem? (it's over 2M)
Dec 14 11:35:23 <Stskeeps> mm, solca's a good place to ask those problems. but yes, 2m is the limit
Dec 14 11:35:39 <christendoc> That helps. I'll get it under 2.
Dec 14 11:36:26 <lcuk> christendoc, if you do a global search and replace through the code and remove all those extra silly ";" characters you will save loads of space when you compile it
Dec 14 11:36:46 <christendoc> oh really ...
Dec 14 11:37:00 <Meiz_n810> solca is not here right now, but he has compiled 2.6.28 for n8x0
Dec 14 11:37:02 <lcuk> ya rly
Dec 14 11:37:03 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: and removing /usr/lib:/lib: etc from LD_LIBRARY_PATH makes it work again
Dec 14 11:37:32 <christendoc> now that's one I would not have thought to try.
Dec 14 11:38:48 <christendoc> Ok to build linux-omap in a maemo scratchbox or no?
Dec 14 11:38:56 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: (within sb2.config in target conf)
Dec 14 11:39:03 <christendoc> Can cross compile if need be.
Dec 14 11:41:30 <Stskeeps> we usually do that :P
Dec 14 11:41:55 <christendoc> which? scratchbox or cross compile?
Dec 14 11:42:16 <Stskeeps> scratchbox is a cross compilation toolkit :P
Dec 14 11:42:24 <christendoc> good point ...
Dec 14 11:42:46 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: right, that''s worth pointing to the sdk+ people
Dec 14 11:43:12 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 14 11:43:36 <RST38h> Sts, suihkulokki: btw, has the latest sdk+ fixed the --host-tools option?
Dec 14 11:43:36 <Stskeeps> well, it's more of a sb2 problem than sdk+, or are they the same thing? :P
Dec 14 11:43:44 * RST38h would like to move away from etch finally
Dec 14 11:44:13 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i'm attempting to use jaunty/mer itself as tools distribution
Dec 14 11:44:51 <Stskeeps> so far its working :P
Dec 14 11:45:00 <Stskeeps> after fixing the odd ld_library_path probelm
Dec 14 12:02:08 <Stskeeps> woo, progress. src/dash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
Dec 14 12:02:11 <Stskeeps>  :P
Dec 14 12:05:12 <christendoc> Got it to 1.9 and it flashed. Thanks Stskeeps.
Dec 14 12:06:44 <Stskeeps> np
Dec 14 12:14:40 * Stskeeps ponders to use sb1 just to have some crap working.
Dec 14 12:42:30 <Stskeeps> sigh. it can build a full package, but fails at generating source package, or making md5sums.
Dec 14 12:42:34 <Stskeeps> sigh.
Dec 14 13:14:39 <t_s_o> hrmf, im not sure what kind of estimative magic the N800 is doing, but no way can a 10% drop in battery pr 3 hours convert into a 6 day standby...
Dec 14 13:15:45 <lcuk> t_s_o, i always thought the logic was based on voodoo and by choosing random pixels from the camera sensor and stuff
Dec 14 13:16:05 <t_s_o> you may not be that far off ;)
Dec 14 13:16:37 <lcuk> but if its busy doing something when asked the first time it may well under estimate based on specifically what it was doing right then, not a better average
Dec 14 13:17:27 <lcuk> (incidentally, i would have said it uses the planetary alignment, but that requires gps :D :P)
Dec 14 13:19:14 <mavhc> good idea to use the camera for random number generator though
Dec 14 13:19:46 <GAN800> t_s_o, the standby time is based on a pessimistic idle consumption rate
Dec 14 13:20:18 <lcuk> mavhc, but if we use all the randomness from the camera, we will be left with useless images of peoples faces and stuff :P
Dec 14 13:20:30 <lcuk> mornin GAN800 :)
Dec 14 13:20:56 <lcuk> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=249410 :D seen this?
Dec 14 13:32:00 <t_s_o> GAN800: strange then that in my case results in a highly optimistic standby duration...
Dec 14 13:34:21 <lcuk> ask the same question when your machine is totally idle and you will get a different answer to if its busy
Dec 14 13:34:28 <GAN800> t_s_o, because you're not actually getting to idle. . .
Dec 14 13:34:56 <GAN800> Something's using cycles, you're connected to wifi, whatever.
Dec 14 13:34:59 <t_s_o> i worry about that, but from what i can tell, the only likely offender is hildon-desktop...
Dec 14 13:35:18 <lcuk> t_s_o, gan is right, it could have nothing to do with current cpu state
Dec 14 13:35:32 <lcuk> theres more in the box than can be checked by looking at load average
Dec 14 13:35:51 <lcuk> ;) you might be running your powervr chip :P
Dec 14 13:35:53 <t_s_o> having a terminal app write to internal flash every 30 min should not have this big a impact, should it?
Dec 14 13:36:18 <lcuk> depends if "something" is a 400mb file or not
Dec 14 13:36:41 <t_s_o> nah, just some quick ascii to collect the data for battery-graph ;)
Dec 14 13:36:42 <lcuk> and what mechanism do you use for waiting for 30minutes?
Dec 14 13:36:45 <GAN800> t_s_o, leaving xterm open messes up idling
Dec 14 13:36:57 <t_s_o> ye crud...
Dec 14 13:37:17 <lcuk> it might be more practical to consider a true monitoriing daemon
Dec 14 13:37:28 <GAN800> We need powertop
Dec 14 13:37:41 <t_s_o> or something similar...
Dec 14 13:38:33 <Stskeeps> yeah, isn't powertop possible with our new 2.6.28 working kernels and wifi?
Dec 14 13:40:46 <t_s_o> hmm, seems i can run the logger without using xterm, just need to kill it in some other way at a later date...
Dec 14 13:52:17 * lcuk goes to see santa
Dec 14 13:54:27 <keesj> Sinterklaas FTW
Dec 14 13:55:09 <gnuton> hello
Dec 14 13:58:53 <Stskeeps> hi hi
Dec 14 14:03:26 <Meiz_n810> where can i get maemo-xchat source?
Dec 14 14:03:26 <jakemaheu> morning everybody
Dec 14 14:03:30 <Meiz_n810> morning
Dec 14 14:03:33 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: on extras probably
Dec 14 14:03:55 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/x/xchat/
Dec 14 14:04:08 <Meiz_n810> ah
Dec 14 14:04:38 <Meiz_n810> i was looking from "non-source" dir
Dec 14 14:05:31 <jakemaheu> grah I think windows 7 has liek one bug, but i'm not sure if it's my router or windows 7
Dec 14 14:06:12 <Stskeeps> it
Dec 14 14:06:16 <jakemaheu> when it disconnects every so often, it reconnects and people on my wireless network get kicked off (even wired connections)
Dec 14 14:06:19 <Stskeeps> 's beta/early beta.., dude :P
Dec 14 14:06:30 <jakemaheu> meh
Dec 14 14:06:40 <jakemaheu> and i'm using vista drivers
Dec 14 14:06:55 <jakemaheu> it seems to be holding up better now, tho
Dec 14 14:07:09 <Meiz_n810> is win7 better than vista? (the early-beta) :P
Dec 14 14:09:11 <jakemaheu> i've only played with vista a bit, but 7 is WAAAY better
Dec 14 14:09:23 <jakemaheu> if you get it, get build 6801
Dec 14 14:09:33 <jakemaheu> the newest one is biggy i hear
Dec 14 14:09:38 <jakemaheu> *buggy
Dec 14 14:09:43 <jakemaheu> brb, breakfast
Dec 14 14:10:12 <qwerty12_N800> hrm, tempting but i hate having to reinstall grub
Dec 14 14:10:58 <Meiz_n810> qwerty: you built maemo-xchat for i386?
Dec 14 14:11:08 <Meiz_n810> how can i get libconic0-dev
Dec 14 14:11:08 <qwerty12_N800> Meiz_n810, yes
Dec 14 14:11:27 <qwerty12_N800> i built my own but i think stskeeps has it
Dec 14 14:11:36 <qwerty12_N800> in his repo
Dec 14 14:12:25 <Meiz_n810> libconic0-dev? apt says notfound... is libconic0-dev source is extras-devel?
Dec 14 14:12:39 <qwerty12_N800> no, in sdk repo
Dec 14 14:13:03 <Meiz_n810> okay
Dec 14 14:13:25 <qwerty12_N800> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libc/libconic/
Dec 14 14:14:20 <jakemaheu> @qwerty: i just installed it on a spare 20gb drive, took like 20-30 min to install
Dec 14 14:14:41 <jakemaheu> my dad is a giant geek too, so we've got a stockpile of spare parts
Dec 14 14:14:54 * Stskeeps ponders if scratchbox1 will save the day.
Dec 14 14:15:03 <jakemaheu> would you like to hear a story?
Dec 14 14:15:10 <Meiz_n810> qwerty12_N800: thanks
Dec 14 14:15:13 <qwerty12_N800> jakemaheu, alas, I don't have available. i killed my last 20gb trying to replace my xbox's hd :/
Dec 14 14:15:21 <jakemaheu> esd?
Dec 14 14:15:23 <qwerty12_N800> s/have/have one/
Dec 14 14:15:23 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: jakemaheu, alas, I don't have one available. i killed my last 20gb trying to replace my xbox's hd :/
Dec 14 14:15:49 <qwerty12_N800> jakemaheu, no, just stopped spinning:/
Dec 14 14:15:49 <jakemaheu> static killed it?
Dec 14 14:15:52 <jakemaheu> ah
Dec 14 14:16:03 <jakemaheu> what kind?
Dec 14 14:16:22 <qwerty12_N800> some old ibm, circa 2001
Dec 14 14:16:29 <jakemaheu> ah, i see
Dec 14 14:16:47 <jakemaheu> if it was a barracuda, you'd probably still have some warranty left
Dec 14 14:16:50 <jakemaheu> lol
Dec 14 14:16:55 <jakemaheu> brb, cereal
Dec 14 14:18:07 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Dec 14 14:21:35 <jakemaheu> nom i'm back
Dec 14 14:25:38 <jakemaheu> who here has nitdroid?
Dec 14 14:26:20 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: what was the non-shitty qemu for EABI in sb1 again?
Dec 14 14:27:06 <Meiz_n810> what should i do when there is no configure file?
Dec 14 14:27:38 <Meiz_n810> jakemaheu: NITdroid works pretty well now :)
Dec 14 14:27:48 <qwerty12_N800> Meiz_n810, add ./autogen.sh before configure in debian/rules
Dec 14 14:28:03 <jakemaheu> anyone with an n800?
Dec 14 14:28:03 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, can't remember. what's your problem?
Dec 14 14:28:29 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: .. where do i start :P nah, i got it - qemu-arm-cvs-m
Dec 14 14:28:43 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Dec 14 14:29:03 <Stskeeps> but i just think i managed to get it to work
Dec 14 14:29:44 <qwerty12_N800> i actually use that patched qemu-arm-eabi with the python fix
Dec 14 14:29:49 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 14 14:30:37 <Meiz_n810> where to get autoreconf?
Dec 14 14:30:52 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, but i'm glad that you went the sb1 route (for now anyway) ;)
Dec 14 14:31:43 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: apt-get install autoconf
Dec 14 14:31:48 <Meiz_n810> thanks
Dec 14 14:31:50 <qwerty12_N800> Meiz_n810, do a apt-get install autotools-dev
Dec 14 14:31:53 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: well. sb2 is sane, but it has some very annoying bugs
Dec 14 14:32:02 <Stskeeps> and when they're fixed, sure..
Dec 14 14:32:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 14:32:07 <qwerty12_N800> sb2 is a bug
Dec 14 14:32:20 <Stskeeps> yes and no.. :P
Dec 14 14:33:24 <qwerty12_N800> As a stubborn bastard, I disagree. :P
Dec 14 14:33:32 <Stskeeps> yes
Dec 14 14:33:39 <Stskeeps> i just want a working sdk honestly
Dec 14 14:38:40 <Stskeeps> i was -so- close with sb2 :P
Dec 14 14:44:39 <Meiz_n810> what should i do now? :P
Dec 14 14:44:40 <Meiz_n810> configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.."
Dec 14 14:44:58 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: sh autogen.sh .. and sometimes packages are a bit fun :)
Dec 14 14:45:07 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 14 14:45:17 <Stskeeps> dpkg-deb: building package `dash' in `../dash_0.5.4-12ubuntu2_armel.deb'.
Dec 14 14:45:25 <Stskeeps> oh fucking finally. excuse my french
Dec 14 14:46:04 <qwerty12_N800> fucking disgusting language, i'm appalled to hear such things.
Dec 14 14:47:48 <Meiz_n810> hmm
Dec 14 14:47:49 <Meiz_n810> configure.ac:6: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
Dec 14 14:48:55 <Stskeeps> apt-get install libtool? :P
Dec 14 14:49:10 <Meiz_n810> thanks :P
Dec 14 15:00:54 <Meiz_n810> rrr...this is not easy
Dec 14 15:00:56 <Meiz_n810> test-proxies.c:78: error: format not a string literal and no format arguments
Dec 14 15:01:55 <Stskeeps> yeah, probably -Werror
Dec 14 15:02:02 <Stskeeps> we use a new gcc and it is rather complainish
Dec 14 15:13:00 <jake_maheu> hullo guise
Dec 14 15:13:17 <qwerty12_N800> ello
Dec 14 15:33:38 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: you gonna be at your desktop machine sometime during today?
Dec 14 15:33:59 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, in 30 mins for about 2 hours
Dec 14 15:34:02 <Stskeeps> alright
Dec 14 15:34:08 <Stskeeps> i have something for you to try then :P
Dec 14 15:34:25 * qwerty12_N800 goes all giddy :P
Dec 14 15:36:44 <jakemaheu> hey guys
Dec 14 15:37:08 <jakemaheu> if you clone your os to sd, can you still boot normally if you don't have the card in?
Dec 14 15:37:56 <qwerty12_N800> yes, it just boots from flash
Dec 14 15:38:40 <jakemaheu> sweet, maybe i'll rty it now ;D
Dec 14 15:38:44 <jakemaheu> *maybe
Dec 14 15:38:59 <jakemaheu> er, **** i mean *try
Dec 14 15:39:27 <jakemaheu> lol i just got 55 mb of space back on my flash
Dec 14 15:39:34 <jakemaheu> xulrunner and vlc
Dec 14 15:39:47 <jakemaheu> vlc doesn't even work that well
Dec 14 15:39:58 <jakemaheu> and i got rid of fennec, so xulrunner is useless
Dec 14 15:40:11 <Stskeeps> lo b-man
Dec 14 15:40:13 <jakemaheu> hey b-man
Dec 14 15:40:19 <qwerty12_N800> hi b-man
Dec 14 15:40:22 <b-man> hello!
Dec 14 15:40:26 <b-man> hi
Dec 14 15:40:49 <b-man> it's going to be 54 F here today!
Dec 14 15:41:12 <Stskeeps> cold? :P
Dec 14 15:41:24 * Stskeeps uses sane units
Dec 14 15:41:35 <b-man> kinda, but it beets 23
Dec 14 15:42:00 <b-man> but the low will be 19 :P
Dec 14 15:44:44 <yerga> mmm, I don't remember if mce is going out for Fremantle? someone remember it?
Dec 14 15:45:56 <RST38h> so they said, afaik
Dec 14 15:46:04 <GAN800> yerga, OHM, I guess
Dec 14 15:46:28 <Stskeeps> yerga: yes, dsme and mce going out, which is understandable
Dec 14 15:46:36 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide when you're ready
Dec 14 15:46:57 <yerga> ah, thanks. I was seeing some interesting things in the mce header files of the Fremantle SDK...
Dec 14 15:47:23 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, nice..
Dec 14 15:47:40 <Stskeeps> yerga: there's probably a bit of backwards compatibility. what are you seeing?
Dec 14 15:48:15 <yerga> for example: #define MCE_CALL_STATE_CELLULAR "cellular"
Dec 14 15:48:19 <Stskeeps> eh.
Dec 14 15:48:26 <Stskeeps> yes, that is indeed interesting
Dec 14 15:48:48 <yerga> and... #define MCE_ORIENTATION_PORTRAIT "portrait"
Dec 14 15:49:05 <yerga> also there's for landscape orientation
Dec 14 15:49:23 <Stskeeps> yeah, finally :P
Dec 14 15:49:29 <Stskeeps> #define MCE_ORIENTATION_FACE_DOWN"face_down"
Dec 14 15:49:31 <Stskeeps> kinda odd though..
Dec 14 15:49:32 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 15:49:40 <Stskeeps> or on stand or off stand
Dec 14 15:50:21 <Stskeeps> oh, i just found definate proof of accelerometer
Dec 14 15:50:33 * RST38h no longer remembers what 59oF is. Is it "fairly cold", "warm" or "freezing y
Dec 14 15:50:37 <RST38h> our ass off"?
Dec 14 15:50:48 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: " * @param code @c dbus_string_t with the old encrypted password from @c crypt(3)"
Dec 14 15:50:53 <Stskeeps> seems like they noticed your CAL hack ;)
Dec 14 15:51:00 <b-man> i've been working on improving the mer imager, it now uses a launcher that automaticly reads your settings from a file, formats your mmc if you want it to, and starts the imager with the set of instructions  you would put in the config file.
Dec 14 15:51:17 <RST38h> yerga: May it be that they have decided to keep old #defines and add new ones with the same prefix?
Dec 14 15:51:19 <Stskeeps> b-man: alright - patches welcome
Dec 14 15:51:35 <Stskeeps> "#define MCE_ENABLE_VIBRATOR"req_vibrator_enable""
Dec 14 15:51:36 <Stskeeps> <3
Dec 14 15:51:50 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, my cal hack? i never managed to do anything :(
Dec 14 15:52:07 <Stskeeps> aw :P
Dec 14 15:52:17 <Stskeeps> the one about lock code
Dec 14 15:52:22 <RST38h> Sts: Does it mean that the next tablet will come in a different form factor? =)
Dec 14 15:52:29 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, ah :D
Dec 14 15:52:41 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i'm not sure what the hell "facing down" means
Dec 14 15:53:04 <Stskeeps> ooh. vibrator patterns. heh heh
Dec 14 15:53:18 <b-man> @Stskeeps; i'll send you the updated launcher sometime today.
Dec 14 15:54:04 <Stskeeps> b-man: k
Dec 14 15:59:56 <b-man> I think i will start to make a nother version that uses zenity, so it is similar to use. I might also throw in swap support.
Dec 14 16:01:06 <b-man> edit: simpler
Dec 14 16:01:26 <Stskeeps> yeah, - don't work too hard on it though, the imager is just supposed to be one that well, builds images, and we would probably redistribute tar.gz's and jffs2 instead
Dec 14 16:01:53 <b-man> :p
Dec 14 16:02:14 <b-man> good point.
Dec 14 16:02:45 <Stskeeps> noone wants to wait 3 hours for a OS install :P
Dec 14 16:03:41 <qwerty12> or have watchdog reboot their tablet
Dec 14 16:03:42 <b-man> i would, :p but that's just me.
Dec 14 16:04:15 <b-man> yah
Dec 14 16:04:39 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, it may be worth mentioning that you need to have 'deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main'  in sources.list before being able to do a 'apt-get install scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm6'
Dec 14 16:04:48 <Stskeeps> ah, i thought maemo-sdk added that
Dec 14 16:04:50 <Stskeeps> it was there for me
Dec 14 16:06:48 <Stskeeps> added
Dec 14 16:08:32 <GAN800> pico projector
Dec 14 16:08:43 * GAN800 thought this was google. <_<
Dec 14 16:08:47 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 16:12:12 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, MER_ARMEL target setup.
Dec 14 16:12:40 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 14 16:12:50 <Stskeeps> might want to apt-get update first
Dec 14 16:13:04 <Stskeeps> there's minor problems with it still sadly
Dec 14 16:13:18 <qwerty12> Hey, it's sb1, what do I care ;P
Dec 14 16:13:20 <Stskeeps> but compared to sb2, this actually does succeed occasionally
Dec 14 16:14:05 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yes... "dpkg: regarding .../perl-base_5.10.0-17ubuntu3_armel.deb containing perl-base: package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg"
Dec 14 16:14:11 <jakemaheu> i'm installing easy debian turbo-charged edition
Dec 14 16:14:12 <Stskeeps> eh
Dec 14 16:14:32 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: well that might be because of the devkit not being ubuntu
Dec 14 16:14:53 <Stskeeps> i hope whoever continues with sdk will try to get a ubuntu devkit in instead of something :P
Dec 14 16:15:04 <qwerty12> meh, just did a dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.10.0-17ubuntu3_armel.deb
Dec 14 16:15:13 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 16:17:06 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot "Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 82.
Dec 14 16:17:06 <qwerty12> Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 172.Global symbol "$me" requires explicit package name at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-checkbuilddeps line 185." (and the same for lines 82,172)
Dec 14 16:17:48 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: -d
Dec 14 16:18:03 <qwerty12> Damn, I didn't want to do that :(
Dec 14 16:18:05 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 16:18:19 <Stskeeps> well, plenty of work to be done in this sdk.. at least we know it works :P
Dec 14 16:18:33 <Stskeeps> .. sortof
Dec 14 16:19:44 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, even better, use dpkg-checkbuilddeps from debian-etch
Dec 14 16:19:52 <Stskeeps> true
Dec 14 16:20:04 <Stskeeps> so making people choose debian-etch instead?
Dec 14 16:20:25 <qwerty12> Probably would work better, diablo sdk uses debian etch by default
Dec 14 16:20:29 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Dec 14 16:20:46 <qwerty12> I just went into /scratchbox folder as root and copied it from debian-etch into lenny's bin
Dec 14 16:21:52 <qwerty12> Let me remove conic code from xchat, kinda pointless as we don't even have icd in mer
Dec 14 16:22:55 <Stskeeps> (yet) :P
Dec 14 16:23:07 <qwerty12> hehe
Dec 14 16:29:05 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: think there's additional problems - ubuntu is on glibc2.9, this is for glibc2.5?
Dec 14 16:29:13 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, trying again... configure failed on a glibc check
Dec 14 16:29:14 <qwerty12> yep
Dec 14 16:30:45 <Stskeeps> mm, 2008q3 seems to have glib2.8 at least
Dec 14 16:30:49 <Stskeeps> +c
Dec 14 16:31:22 <qwerty12> hmm, I got a 2008 toolchain installed when I was messing around with gcc 4 and maemo
Dec 14 16:32:00 <Stskeeps> well, mer should be more welcoming to 2008 at least :P
Dec 14 16:32:19 <Stskeeps> (gcc4)
Dec 14 16:33:01 <qwerty12> Let me save your rootstrap to my harddisk, it's getting tiring just repeatedly downloading it :P
Dec 14 16:33:39 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 16:33:59 <b-man> now bootstraping mer - hope it works out!
Dec 14 16:34:10 <Stskeeps> good luck
Dec 14 16:34:34 <Stskeeps> rescue menu (hold down home while booting) is your best friend. select console mode as soon as you can
Dec 14 16:34:35 <b-man> i think i will need it
Dec 14 16:34:37 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 16:34:52 <jake_maheu> my comp crashed
Dec 14 16:35:13 <Meiz_n810> mm.. i should try to make a theme for hildon :P
Dec 14 16:35:58 <jake_maheu> hey guys, i've got a question
Dec 14 16:35:59 <b-man> you shuld
Dec 14 16:36:44 <jake_maheu> you know easy debian turbo-charged edition?
Dec 14 16:37:13 <jake_maheu> well, you ha ve to get the img file to untar so you can use the apps
Dec 14 16:37:39 <jake_maheu> it's like 317mb, and it's downloading at 10kb/s
Dec 14 16:37:52 <jake_maheu> does anyone know where i can get another copy
Dec 14 16:39:36 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, cs2008 toolchain... http://pastebin.com/d4504a3a2
Dec 14 16:40:11 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: yeah, ran into that one too. export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/share/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig
Dec 14 16:40:18 <qwerty12> ah, cool
Dec 14 16:40:31 <Stskeeps> nfi why it breaks
Dec 14 16:41:14 <qwerty12> bollocks, let me autogen xchat again >.<
Dec 14 16:43:32 <jake_maheu> can someone try accessing maemobox.org?
Dec 14 16:44:39 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, more glibc fun... "/lib/libnsl.so.1: undefined reference to `__libc_clntudp_bufcreate@GLIBC_PRIVATE'"
Dec 14 16:46:20 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: which toolchain is it?
Dec 14 16:46:33 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, arm-linux-cs2008q3-41
Dec 14 16:46:53 <qwerty12> (works for diablo)
Dec 14 16:47:16 <Stskeeps> can you try http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2008q3-72_1.0.8-1_i386.deb ?
Dec 14 16:47:40 <qwerty12> downloading...
Dec 14 16:49:41 <lcuk> santa had a 90minute waiting time - hyperactive kids in confined spaces are not good.
Dec 14 16:50:01 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 16:50:19 <lcuk> qwerty12, have your parents taken you to see santa this year yet?
Dec 14 16:50:34 <qwerty12> lcuk, hehe, no :P
Dec 14 16:51:12 <qwerty12> The last time I saw a santa was in 2000 at the millennium dome
Dec 14 16:55:24 <lcuk> qwerty12, thats only because you have been barred from seeing santa anywhere worldwide after you kicked the last one in the nuts.
Dec 14 16:55:36 <lcuk> they have your photo on the wall at every grotto around the country
Dec 14 16:55:43 <Stskeeps> for not giving him a n810 for xmas? ;)
Dec 14 16:55:44 <qwerty12> lol :D
Dec 14 16:56:06 <lcuk> i played with an iphone today
Dec 14 16:56:33 <t_s_o> burn, heretic...
Dec 14 16:56:33 <Meiz_n810> how was it?
Dec 14 16:56:45 <qwerty12> lcuk, I knew santa was bad if he has an iphone :(
Dec 14 16:57:00 <Meiz_n810> :P
Dec 14 16:57:05 <lcuk> meiz, not as responsive or slick as i thought
Dec 14 16:57:26 <Meiz_n810> as showed in tv commercials? :P
Dec 14 16:57:28 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, and again: /lib/libnsl.so.1: undefined reference to `__libc_clntudp_bufcreate@GLIBC_PRIVATE'. I'm gonna install the toolchain's glibc
Dec 14 16:57:33 <qwerty12> lol
Dec 14 16:58:28 <lcuk> yeah, i suppose its training and stuff, but it didnt respond to my finger properly
Dec 14 16:58:33 <lcuk> hiya simon
Dec 14 16:58:36 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: lovely..
Dec 14 16:58:43 <qwerty12> hello lardman
Dec 14 16:58:47 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: yeah, i guess that's a possibility
Dec 14 16:58:51 <lardman> hi qwerty12
Dec 14 16:58:58 <lardman> hi lcuk
Dec 14 16:59:27 <lcuk> ialso looked at a load of phones, and the overwhelming feeling i had was - they are tiny
Dec 14 16:59:35 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: thanks for the effort though so far
Dec 14 16:59:52 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i would be afraid of breaking something like the iphone :P
Dec 14 16:59:59 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, np, let me keep trying
Dec 14 17:00:00 <Stskeeps> but if it is sturdy enough..
Dec 14 17:00:07 <lcuk> nahhh they appear to be built well
Dec 14 17:00:21 <lcuk> jake played as well and we didnt get kicked out so its not that bad
Dec 14 17:00:50 <lcuk> (though i thought we would when he kept pulling the phone leashes out as far as they would go and sent the display models hurling back across the shop
Dec 14 17:00:55 <qwerty12> hehe, I was walking back from school and I passed this person with a flip phone playing some dodgy ringtone. He dropped the phone and the ringtone stopped to be replaced with the man's swearing. I grinned all the way back.
Dec 14 17:01:34 <lcuk> heh
Dec 14 17:01:54 <lcuk> lardman, did you have a good weekend
Dec 14 17:02:02 <lardman> lcuk: yes thanks, you?
Dec 14 17:02:31 <lcuk> yeah so far, apart from this morning being woken up with what i thought was machinegun fire
Dec 14 17:03:01 <Stskeeps> drilling neighbours?
Dec 14 17:03:01 <lcuk> (jake was running round the house with a string of beads and got em stuck under the door - he pulled and yanked and they clattered lots and scared the crap out of me)
Dec 14 17:03:04 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 14 17:03:12 <qwerty12> I thought you could only get rubber bands in the north as weapons
Dec 14 17:03:32 <lcuk> heh no, tracy almost used fluffy pink slippers as a weapon against luke last night :D
Dec 14 17:03:32 <lardman> seems lcuk is often woken by the sound of real machine gun fire?
Dec 14 17:03:38 <lcuk> heh
Dec 14 17:03:38 <qwerty12> hehe
Dec 14 17:03:49 <lardman> I suppose he lives in Manchester, c'est la vie hey? ;)
Dec 14 17:04:07 <lcuk> she went and picked him up from a party and threatened to walk in the pub in her slippers to get him
Dec 14 17:04:10 <qwerty12> It's a trait not just common to Manchester but the entire North :P
Dec 14 17:04:13 <lcuk> oi southern boy
Dec 14 17:04:25 <lcuk> oi x 2 fak southern boy
Dec 14 17:04:27 <lcuk> e
Dec 14 17:04:35 <qwerty12> hehe :P
Dec 14 17:05:21 <lcuk> i need to get some time to myself soon, ive got some coding that needs doing
Dec 14 17:05:29 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, success!
Dec 14 17:05:36 <qwerty12> Meiz_n810, willing to test xchat? :D
Dec 14 17:05:57 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: woo!
Dec 14 17:06:26 <Meiz_n810> qwerty12: when i get home
Dec 14 17:06:51 <qwerty12> k
Dec 14 17:06:51 <Meiz_n810> i'm on GRPS now
Dec 14 17:07:05 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I removed locale support from xchat , had a bit of trouble there :/
Dec 14 17:07:09 <qwerty12> Meiz_n810, heh :/
Dec 14 17:07:15 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: yeah suspect it mgiht be odd
Dec 14 17:07:40 * lardman ponders wireless speakers
Dec 14 17:07:51 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: at least it's good we have something that makes it build.. :P
Dec 14 17:08:17 <qwerty12> hehe, yes. Now it's time to delete all those surplus toolchains, I'm down to 3.2gb free on my linux partition :P
Dec 14 17:08:38 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 17:08:57 <Stskeeps> so the recipe was the toolchain i pointed to, copying in libc from toolchain?
Dec 14 17:09:00 <lardman> qwerty12: rm -rf ~/.porn/
Dec 14 17:09:09 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yep
Dec 14 17:09:11 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 14 17:09:19 <qwerty12> lardman, tried that, only got me back 1gb :(
Dec 14 17:09:21 <Stskeeps> sdk \o/
Dec 14 17:09:27 <lardman> qwerty12: ah
Dec 14 17:09:34 <lardman> qwerty12: rm -rf ~/.porn-videos/
Dec 14 17:09:43 <lardman> :D
Dec 14 17:09:50 <qwerty12> ah, that's better! 5gb back :D :P
Dec 14 17:10:33 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, depends line says: libc6 (>= 2.8) - good?
Dec 14 17:11:08 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: think it's a libc6 2.9
Dec 14 17:11:12 <Stskeeps> so yeah
Dec 14 17:11:18 <Stskeeps> we'll see
Dec 14 17:11:19 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 17:11:23 <qwerty12> cool :P
Dec 14 17:11:42 <qwerty12> now it's time to fix the mypaint package i put in extras-devel :P
Dec 14 17:12:08 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 17:12:35 <lardman> anyone have digital wireless headphones here? And not a2dp please
Dec 14 17:13:00 <qwerty12> lardman, I used to have a pair of sony ones (used rf)
Dec 14 17:13:23 <lardman> were they analogue encoding, like a radio, or was the data transfer digital?
Dec 14 17:13:33 <lardman> I've tried the former and they are noisy and not too great
Dec 14 17:13:51 <qwerty12> I don't actually remember, sorry
Dec 14 17:14:13 <qwerty12> They were just connected to the tv so I can't really judge the sound
Dec 14 17:14:19 <lardman> np
Dec 14 17:14:31 <lardman> I think I need to go with a digital encoding to avoid getting the hiss
Dec 14 17:14:47 * lardman also looks for a new 5.1 amp with wireless speakers
Dec 14 17:14:56 <qwerty12> yeah, hissing ruins the lovely sound of Lethal Bizzle :P
Dec 14 17:15:14 <lardman> lol
Dec 14 17:15:30 <lardman> I think I've finally removed the last trace of that thing!
Dec 14 17:15:51 <qwerty12> I believe you, really... :P
Dec 14 17:16:10 <lardman> yeah, perhaps that last copy I've kept to test the new sbc encoder....
Dec 14 17:16:14 <lcuk> lardman, don't let qwerty or woglinde near any of your stuff :P it will reappear
Dec 14 17:16:42 <b-man> 50% done with mer installation, so far so good :)
Dec 14 17:16:48 <qwerty12> lcuk, I thought that reappearing was a good thing personally :P
Dec 14 17:17:30 <lcuk> mailto: qwertysschool   subject:missing interactive whiteboards...
Dec 14 17:17:37 <Stskeeps> lol
Dec 14 17:17:54 <qwerty12> I'll say it's an invasion from the North, they need it more than us :P
Dec 14 17:19:07 <jake_maheu> @qwerty12: thanks for the mypaint package, once it's up
Dec 14 17:19:27 <b-man> interactive whiteboards? - we call them smartboards
Dec 14 17:19:38 <qwerty12> jake_maheu, it's actually in extras-devel, I just want to fix the icon size and duplicate dependencies :/
Dec 14 17:19:47 <jake_maheu> we use a projector and a bluetooth drawing tablet
Dec 14 17:20:00 <b-man> same as us
Dec 14 17:20:02 <jake_maheu> @qwerty12: OH
Dec 14 17:20:14 <jake_maheu> er, caps lock isn't cruise control for cool
Dec 14 17:20:26 <Mousey> YES IT IS!
Dec 14 17:20:36 <qwerty12> i FoRgIvE yOu
Dec 14 17:20:40 <Stskeeps> dear god
Dec 14 17:20:49 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 14 17:20:57 <qwerty12> Stskeeps seems to be getting creeped out
Dec 14 17:21:08 <b-man> hmmm....
Dec 14 17:21:13 <jake_maheu> @qwerty: i don't see it in devel
Dec 14 17:21:18 <jake_maheu> in app mugger
Dec 14 17:21:27 <qwerty12> jake_maheu, using diablo?
Dec 14 17:21:30 <jake_maheu> yeah
Dec 14 17:21:56 <qwerty12> should be there, it's showing up here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/mypaint/
Dec 14 17:22:19 <jake_maheu> i'll try refreshing
Dec 14 17:22:42 <b-man> enyone know whi there is a package called python-sexy? :p
Dec 14 17:22:58 <qwerty12> bindings for libsexy iirc :P
Dec 14 17:23:11 <briand> it's to help the nerdy types with the wimmen.  ;)
Dec 14 17:23:22 <b-man> lol
Dec 14 17:23:37 <qwerty12> we can see briand installs it a lot :P
Dec 14 17:23:49 <jake_maheu> found it
Dec 14 17:23:56 <jake_maheu> you just need a refresh in app mugger
Dec 14 17:24:09 <jake_maheu> installing now
Dec 14 17:24:22 <briand> just once, qwerty12... and now i have to find a good scheduling app for the n800... too many women demanding my personal time
Dec 14 17:24:55 <qwerty12> hehe
Dec 14 17:25:05 <b-man> wouldn't that be a good thing??
Dec 14 17:25:59 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: hm, i didn't have success
Dec 14 17:26:31 <Stskeeps> same error and all
Dec 14 17:26:31 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, hmm, let me retrace my steps properly. give me a few mins
Dec 14 17:26:45 <jake_maheu> done installing, testing now
Dec 14 17:27:00 <disco_stu> what could happen if i boot from sd and have it locked to be read-only ?
Dec 14 17:27:19 <Stskeeps> disco_stu: wouldn't boot that well
Dec 14 17:27:26 <jake_maheu> sweet
Dec 14 17:27:27 <b-man> bad things will happen!
Dec 14 17:27:49 <disco_stu> i will try
Dec 14 17:28:01 <b-man> oh god
Dec 14 17:28:17 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, MER_ARMEL is using arm-linux-cs2008q3-72 toolchain, with cputransp & debian-etch toolkits and qemu-arm-cvs-m as transparency method, your rootstrap extracted and I chose to install C-library, /etc & Devkits
Dec 14 17:28:27 <qwerty12> nothing bad can happen, the card is RO :D
Dec 14 17:28:41 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: mmk
Dec 14 17:28:44 <Stskeeps> lemme retrace myself
Dec 14 17:28:47 <Mousey> famouse last words!
Dec 14 17:28:54 <disco_stu> yeah i see it that way
Dec 14 17:29:30 <jake_maheu> nice
Dec 14 17:29:31 <disco_stu> i´ll try it now
Dec 14 17:29:38 <jake_maheu> hey qwerty
Dec 14 17:29:54 <jake_maheu> i think i found a bug
Dec 14 17:29:56 <qwerty12> yeah jake_maheu? :)
Dec 14 17:29:58 <qwerty12> ooh
Dec 14 17:30:17 <b-man> welcome to my world
Dec 14 17:30:28 <jake_maheu> in mypaint, clearing works once per startup
Dec 14 17:30:47 <jake_maheu> like, start, draw, clear, draw, clear doesn't work
Dec 14 17:31:36 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: do you rm the "new" libc?
Dec 14 17:31:50 <Stskeeps> (2.9 one in rootstrap)
Dec 14 17:31:54 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, nothing like that
Dec 14 17:31:58 <Stskeeps> mmk
Dec 14 17:32:20 <jake_maheu> what do you think?
Dec 14 17:32:32 <qwerty12> jake_maheu, you're right, thanks!
Dec 14 17:32:57 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i suspect installing lib* stuff that would call ldconfig would fuck up the symlinks maybe..
Dec 14 17:33:19 <jake_maheu> no prob, love the app anyways
Dec 14 17:33:26 <jake_maheu> thanks for compiling it
Dec 14 17:33:54 <qwerty12> The hildonizations were done by anders_gud, I just applied his patches on to the 0.5.1 release and put it in extras :)
Dec 14 17:34:01 <disco_stu> nothing happens
Dec 14 17:34:14 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, ouch :/
Dec 14 17:34:44 <jake_maheu> ah
Dec 14 17:35:06 <lcuk> briand, the scheduling app needs a camera, it has to take a picture and upload it, and the hotter she is gains her more time
Dec 14 17:35:09 <jake_maheu> any idea why clearing a second time doesn't work?
Dec 14 17:35:10 <disco_stu> i found that my card was already locked
Dec 14 17:35:42 <qwerty12> jake_maheu, no idea, i'll let you know if I can figure it out..
Dec 14 17:35:52 <jake_maheu> thanks
Dec 14 17:38:31 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: yeah, that was what happened
Dec 14 17:39:09 <Stskeeps> b-man: mail, cvm@cs.au.dk
Dec 14 17:39:45 <b-man> thanks :p
Dec 14 17:40:53 <b-man> mer instalation complete, woho!!
Dec 14 17:41:56 <jake_maheu> what does mer look like?
Dec 14 17:42:07 <Stskeeps> http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/NokiaN810Mer
Dec 14 17:42:22 <MaceN800> hi
Dec 14 17:42:31 <jake_maheu> hello
Dec 14 17:43:01 <MaceN800> so what's going on with mer?
Dec 14 17:43:03 <MaceN800> come out with the sdkyet?
Dec 14 17:43:05 <MaceN800> heh
Dec 14 17:43:27 <b-man> what does it look like? i have no idia, i haven't booted it yet :p
Dec 14 17:43:41 <MaceN800> uhm
Dec 14 17:43:45 <MaceN800> haven't booted it yet?
Dec 14 17:43:46 <MaceN800> :)
Dec 14 17:43:49 <b-man> it looks kinda like maemo
Dec 14 17:44:06 <Stskeeps> yeah, for now
Dec 14 17:44:17 <jake_maheu> i kinda like it
Dec 14 17:44:19 <Stskeeps> the idea is the possibility to run other DE's too
Dec 14 17:45:15 <b-man> could it be possible to install gnome on it now??
Dec 14 17:45:32 <Stskeeps> not sure, think you'd have to do mutually exclusive things atm
Dec 14 17:45:36 <Stskeeps> we have a problem with libgnomevfs2
Dec 14 17:45:37 <Stskeeps> so
Dec 14 17:45:51 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: success when removing 2.9 libs..
Dec 14 17:45:51 <GAN800> Stskeeps has executed a channel takeover.
Dec 14 17:45:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 17:46:01 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, nice
Dec 14 17:46:08 <Mousey> c-c-c-c-c-c-c-combo breaker!
Dec 14 17:46:13 <b-man> ha!
Dec 14 17:46:18 <Stskeeps> GAN800: sorry, what was maemo again? :P
Dec 14 17:46:22 <Stskeeps> (kidding :P)
Dec 14 17:46:39 <GAN800> Stskeeps, seriously, it's all freaking Mer spam. :p
Dec 14 17:46:42 <jake_maheu> crap my blood sugar is 55
Dec 14 17:46:50 <Mousey> mer?
Dec 14 17:46:54 <Stskeeps> GAN800: hehe
Dec 14 17:47:09 <ShadowJK_> jake_maheu, that's kind high
Dec 14 17:47:25 <jake_maheu> er, wrong system for you
Dec 14 17:47:47 <ShadowJK_> Oh yeah, different scales?
Dec 14 17:48:00 <qwerty12> b-man, when it boots, could you try something out for me? :P
Dec 14 17:48:01 <jake_maheu> 3.05 for you
Dec 14 17:48:09 <b-man> shure!
Dec 14 17:48:13 <ShadowJK_> Oh, so that means you can have more caek?
Dec 14 17:48:21 <jake_maheu> actually, glucose tabs
Dec 14 17:48:34 <jake_maheu> nom raspberry
Dec 14 17:49:05 <qwerty12> b-man, thanks! Could you install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/xchat_2.8.4-mer0q12_armel.deb and see if it runs :D (I've checked the deb, it runs no postinst scripts nor installs any libs so it should be safe to install)
Dec 14 17:49:17 <b-man> ok!
Dec 14 17:49:28 <jake_maheu> @shadowjk: are you a diabetic?
Dec 14 17:49:31 <Stskeeps> b-man: small warning beforehand.. only usbnet works from stock install and you need to activate it in rescue menu :P
Dec 14 17:49:36 <jake_maheu> type 1 here
Dec 14 17:49:39 <Mousey> Should Be Safe(tm)
Dec 14 17:50:10 <b-man> how do i do that, i don't have a hw keyboard
Dec 14 17:50:38 <Meiz_n810> colud network-manager work without modifications with that open-source wifi driver in Mer?
Dec 14 17:50:59 <Stskeeps> b-man: hold down home key when you've just selected mer in the menu and pressed center to run it
Dec 14 17:51:10 <Stskeeps> and rescue menu comes up, like in deblet :P
Dec 14 17:52:09 <b-man> duh, whi did i not think of that :p
Dec 14 17:52:46 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, maemo-mapper has an option to be built w/out libgpsmgr btw
Dec 14 17:53:15 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: alright
Dec 14 17:53:18 <ShadowJK_> jake_maheu, no i'm not
Dec 14 17:53:50 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, though with hacks, I did get it to compile with libgpsmgr in the i386 chroot, no idea how it would work on device...
Dec 14 17:54:03 <disco_stu> someone knows why finger/stylus distinguish isnt working for me
Dec 14 17:54:04 <b-man> ok, see you guys in an hour or so, i'm going to do some stuff in mer.
Dec 14 17:54:06 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: similar
Dec 14 17:54:10 <Stskeeps> have fun, b-man
Dec 14 17:54:25 <b-man> see ya
Dec 14 17:56:30 <Meiz_n810> i tried mobile-basic-flash... only black box..
Dec 14 17:56:41 <Stskeeps> alright
Dec 14 17:57:18 <Meiz_n810> grid-home segfaults and flash home is only black box
Dec 14 17:57:47 <ShadowJK_> disco_stu, heh, only worked the first day for me :)
Dec 14 17:57:49 <Meiz_n810> kourou does not work in Mer too, but who needs them :P
Dec 14 17:58:28 <disco_stu> ShadowJK_, lol.. guess i'll have to let it go
Dec 14 17:58:58 <ShadowJK_> sometimes I accidentally manage to bring up the fingertyping screen, dunno how
Dec 14 17:59:01 <disco_stu> maybe is something with rotation kernel patch, dont know
Dec 14 17:59:39 <disco_stu> ShadowJK_, oh no! it is working
Dec 14 17:59:47 <t_s_o> hmm, seems battery-status is a python script with a internal loop. may explain why it seems to burn battery when used to monitor long term battery use...
Dec 14 17:59:56 <Stskeeps> heh
Dec 14 18:00:03 <ShadowJK_> what does the loop do?
Dec 14 18:00:13 <disco_stu> you have to punch the text-box
Dec 14 18:00:44 <t_s_o> reads a dbus entry every x min
Dec 14 18:01:01 <Stskeeps> i thought it got broadcast once in a while
Dec 14 18:01:18 <qwerty12> iirc, battery requests for it
Dec 14 18:01:22 <qwerty12> *battery applet
Dec 14 18:01:47 <disco_stu> you need to tap stronger and faster with your finger
Dec 14 18:02:23 <ShadowJK_> the figure reported by lshal doesn't update on its own, seems to need prodding by battery-status or the battery applet needing to refresh itself
Dec 14 18:02:30 <t_s_o> the dbus "address" is /com/nokia/bme/request
Dec 14 18:03:15 <MaceN800> sts
Dec 14 18:03:15 * lardman joins in the diabetics convention, being type 1 himself
Dec 14 18:03:22 <MaceN800> so it's ready to install :)
Dec 14 18:03:26 <t_s_o> ShadowJK_: now that you mention it, i kinda recall that being the reason for battery-status using dbus in the first place...
Dec 14 18:03:29 <MaceN800> i'll install it when i get home
Dec 14 18:03:44 <MaceN800> damn.. su8w battery is going to die
Dec 14 18:03:48 <MaceN800> batteries
Dec 14 18:03:48 <Stskeeps> MaceN800: which? sdk? only if you're vaguely insane and dont mind rm'ing stuff
Dec 14 18:03:48 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 18:03:52 <MaceN800> i need an n800
Dec 14 18:03:55 <MaceN800> haha
Dec 14 18:04:09 <MaceN800> well.. i meant mer
Dec 14 18:04:13 * disco_stu is afraid of diabetes because he drinks lots of pepsi
Dec 14 18:04:16 <MaceN800> i haven't really looked at it yet.. been pretty busy
Dec 14 18:04:25 <t_s_o> disco_stu: try the max variant then
Dec 14 18:04:27 <MaceN800> be more scared of liquor
Dec 14 18:04:28 <Stskeeps> MaceN800: mm, just a current state, but people are playing with it then
Dec 14 18:04:42 <MaceN800> yeah? i'll try it out when i get the chance
Dec 14 18:04:47 <MaceN800> probably tuesday when i'm off work
Dec 14 18:04:54 <t_s_o> still, to much artificial sweetener seems to have its own issues...
Dec 14 18:04:54 <MaceN800> you use the box i set up yet?
Dec 14 18:04:57 * disco_stu hates pepsi max
Dec 14 18:05:21 <Stskeeps> MaceN800: not yet, i'll get there eventually :P
Dec 14 18:05:25 <jaska> black soap water
Dec 14 18:05:29 <Stskeeps> had such a busy month
Dec 14 18:05:31 <MaceN800> ok.. i'm going to take a nap
Dec 14 18:05:35 <MaceN800> :)
Dec 14 18:05:50 <MaceN800> i need some aaa batteries
Dec 14 18:05:59 <ShadowJK_> pepsi max is kinda vile. The old sugarfree cocacola is kinda yuck. The new sugarfre cocacola is "interesting", but tastes bitter after a few glasses. I just buy Lidl's cola..
Dec 14 18:06:26 <MaceN800> all non sugar pop sucks
Dec 14 18:06:39 <MaceN800> there is no replacement for sugar :)
Dec 14 18:06:55 <lardman> hmm, who drinks fixxy drinks anyway other than beer?
Dec 14 18:06:57 <MaceN800> diabetes is a gene cleaner
Dec 14 18:07:02 <lardman> s/fixxy/fizzy
Dec 14 18:07:07 <ShadowJK_> I might just as well drink water :P
Dec 14 18:07:26 <jaska> water tastes better than light soft drinks anyway :)
Dec 14 18:07:31 <MaceN800> i go through cases of pop like it's cool
Dec 14 18:07:40 <MaceN800> water is tasteless
Dec 14 18:07:43 <MaceN800> :)
Dec 14 18:07:53 <jaska> which is better than the negative taste of light colas etc :)
Dec 14 18:08:00 <ShadowJK_> tasteless but rough
Dec 14 18:08:04 <MaceN800> diet pop is a joke
Dec 14 18:08:11 <lardman> I actually don;t like the taste of the full-fat colas
Dec 14 18:08:15 <MaceN800> i've seen people chasae an entire pizza with a diet coke
Dec 14 18:08:18 <ShadowJK_> I rather drink milk than water :-)
Dec 14 18:08:23 <MaceN800> like it's going to make a difference
Dec 14 18:08:26 <lardman> MaceN800: yep, me
Dec 14 18:08:32 <MaceN800> fat bastard
Dec 14 18:08:37 <lardman> and then a few beers
Dec 14 18:08:43 <lardman> and another pizza to follow
Dec 14 18:08:44 <lardman> :p
Dec 14 18:08:49 <MaceN800> fat alcoholic bastard
Dec 14 18:08:53 <lardman> lol
Dec 14 18:08:59 <lardman> well I do weigh 97 kg
Dec 14 18:09:07 * t_s_o starts to wonder how "off channel" he is to the rest of the world...
Dec 14 18:09:07 <MaceN800> goddamn
Dec 14 18:09:13 <MaceN800> that's like 300lbs
Dec 14 18:09:23 <MaceN800> well.. 240something
Dec 14 18:09:25 <lardman> 200lbs I think isn't it?
Dec 14 18:09:26 <jaska> erm.. thats 213
Dec 14 18:09:30 <Stskeeps> eh, 97kg isn't that bad :P
Dec 14 18:09:36 <MaceN800> yes it is
Dec 14 18:09:42 <MaceN800> how tall?
Dec 14 18:09:43 <jaska> my skeleton probably weighs that :)
Dec 14 18:09:54 <disco_stu> i´m 70kg.. skinny
Dec 14 18:10:05 <MaceN800> haha
Dec 14 18:10:07 * Stskeeps has no idea what he weighs these days.
Dec 14 18:10:13 * lardman doesn't have much of a beer gut yet, only 34"
Dec 14 18:10:15 <Stskeeps> dropped a lot of weight while gf is abroad
Dec 14 18:10:16 <jake_maheu> i'm 126lbs, and like 5'10"
Dec 14 18:10:24 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, +1 but I'm lovingly called pencil by some :P
Dec 14 18:10:29 <jake_maheu> and, btw, minors drink fizzy drinks other than beer
Dec 14 18:10:35 <MaceN800> im 185 6-3
Dec 14 18:10:39 <MaceN800> :)
Dec 14 18:10:41 <jaska> depends on the minor
Dec 14 18:10:48 <lardman> I'm 6'2"
Dec 14 18:10:53 <jake_maheu> wow
Dec 14 18:10:59 <jake_maheu> i'm only 14 tho
Dec 14 18:11:03 <MaceN800> oh... then you are not that bad
Dec 14 18:11:07 <MaceN800> :)
Dec 14 18:11:08 <jake_maheu> i'm taller than my mom and as tall as my dad
Dec 14 18:11:14 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: used to be thin as hell, then adulthood came..
Dec 14 18:11:14 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 18:11:19 <MaceN800> everybody is taller than their mother
Dec 14 18:11:20 <qwerty12> :D
Dec 14 18:11:22 <Stskeeps> or i discovered beer. one of those.
Dec 14 18:11:22 <disco_stu> what about ages?
Dec 14 18:11:31 <lardman> 30
Dec 14 18:11:33 <jake_maheu> i've got a second cousin who is like 6'5"-- at least with a beard
Dec 14 18:11:34 <jaska> 6'5.5" 350lbs or so.. i know.. im a fat bastard :)
Dec 14 18:11:54 <jake_maheu> we share a cousin, and he's like 5'
Dec 14 18:11:57 <MaceN800> well.. i shold go
Dec 14 18:11:57 <jake_maheu> and he's 13
Dec 14 18:11:59 <MaceN800> takecare everybody
Dec 14 18:12:21 <qwerty12> bye
Dec 14 18:12:24 <disco_stu> see ya
Dec 14 18:12:52 <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/fb.JPG <- best ever pic of me, .. from a music festival. heh
Dec 14 18:13:03 <lardman> hmm, he seemed to be very anti-food didn't he ;)
Dec 14 18:13:26 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, why smoke normal cigarettes? :P :D
Dec 14 18:13:42 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: meh, not much of a weed person
Dec 14 18:13:51 <Stskeeps> just gets me depressed instead
Dec 14 18:14:03 <qwerty12> hehe, I have a friend in CPH and all he can do is get high :P
Dec 14 18:14:11 <Stskeeps> yeah, but that's cpfh
Dec 14 18:14:13 <Stskeeps> cph
Dec 14 18:14:50 <Stskeeps> <- in the province
Dec 14 18:14:57 <qwerty12> :)
Dec 14 18:15:21 <lardman> I had a friend who only did that, and he's not a friend any more - became rather weird and paranoid
Dec 14 18:15:31 <mavhc> goddamn hippies
Dec 14 18:15:41 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 18:16:07 * lardman eschews all drugs, and just sticks to alcohol
Dec 14 18:16:16 <lardman> oh and caffeine
Dec 14 18:16:21 <t_s_o> technically, alcohol is a drug...
Dec 14 18:16:24 <Stskeeps> mm, caffeine
Dec 14 18:16:27 <lardman> rubbish! ;)
Dec 14 18:16:39 <t_s_o> the seperation is more cultural then anything else...
Dec 14 18:17:31 <mavhc> weed is only as dangerous as alcohol or cigarettes
Dec 14 18:17:42 <mavhc> and that's why I say we should ban alcohol and cigarettes
Dec 14 18:17:42 <lcuk> i resent changes to slash more and more - i wrote a comment today before i went out and totally forgot i need to click twice nowadays \@/
Dec 14 18:17:43 <disco_stu> i'll head to my books, see you later
Dec 14 18:18:05 <lcuk> lardman, those drugs are worse than others
Dec 14 18:18:05 <lardman> mavhc: though studies have shown that it produces psychosis afaik
Dec 14 18:18:12 <lardman> lcuk: never!
Dec 14 18:18:41 <lardman> lcuk: except your vice perhaps ;)
Dec 14 18:18:43 <lcuk> imagine the outrage that would occur worldwide if they banned coffee
Dec 14 18:18:46 <lardman> smoking that is
Dec 14 18:19:03 <mavhc> alcohol? yes, it does
Dec 14 18:19:06 * qwerty12 can't see the appeal in cigarettes
Dec 14 18:19:10 <lardman> well no work would be done for a few days until the symptoms wore off :)
Dec 14 18:19:21 <lcuk> infact, i think thats why they are now saying "look, coffee grounds produce biooil - "we are saving the planet"
Dec 14 18:19:23 <lardman> mavhc: no, cannabis
Dec 14 18:19:29 <mavhc> that too
Dec 14 18:19:47 <mavhc> to response to "do you smoke?" is "no, I'm not retarded"
Dec 14 18:19:52 <lcuk> qwerty12, some crops grow well embedded in volcanic ash :)
Dec 14 18:20:02 <lardman> my understanding was that the effects of cannabis were permanent
Dec 14 18:20:07 <qwerty12> lcuk, hehe :)
Dec 14 18:20:49 <lardman> lcuk: what kind of cigarettes do you smoke!
Dec 14 18:20:56 <lcuk> lardman, doing any drug to excess leads to problem, its not the vice, its the quantity
Dec 14 18:21:22 <lardman> lcuk: ah, but that's the thing about cannabis, it's supposed to damage immediately
Dec 14 18:21:22 <lcuk> i roll my own using whatever baccy i can get imported
Dec 14 18:21:37 <lardman> lcuk: from near volcanoes?
Dec 14 18:21:44 <lcuk> but hasn't like 3/4 of the population admitted to it
Dec 14 18:21:51 <qwerty12> in the north, I hear the best you guys can get is leaves
Dec 14 18:21:53 <lcuk> from wherever, i burn my fuel
Dec 14 18:21:59 <lardman> which is why the GDP is falling probably ;)
Dec 14 18:22:12 <lcuk> actually i think you are right...
Dec 14 18:22:36 <lcuk> im smoking menthol cigs at the mo - since i ran out of baccy :'(
Dec 14 18:22:43 <lcuk> they are so expensive in uk
Dec 14 18:23:25 <lcuk> the £40 i spent a few months ago ( think it was summit the last time i bought my own) has just finished, im looking at spending that amount in just a couple of weeks
Dec 14 18:23:43 <jake_maheu> you guys should check out electronic cigarettes
Dec 14 18:23:51 <qwerty12> lol
Dec 14 18:23:57 <jake_maheu> safesmokes.net is my dad's site
Dec 14 18:23:58 <lcuk> dont tell me
Dec 14 18:24:06 <lardman> hmm, I'm happy with my glass of wine thanks :)
Dec 14 18:24:13 <lcuk> * rx-51: added support for inhaler
Dec 14 18:24:51 <lardman> and feather-twizzler
Dec 14 18:25:17 <lcuk> ok lardman, your wine is good, but if you downed it like orange juice everyday, or had it on your cornflakes would it still be as good?
Dec 14 18:25:22 <Stskeeps> mm. wine
Dec 14 18:25:22 <lcuk> (mind you, you do that already)
Dec 14 18:25:25 <Stskeeps> i could really need some wine.
Dec 14 18:25:37 <lcuk> http://www.winehq.org/
Dec 14 18:25:52 <lardman> lcuk: yes, I reckon so, not so good with corn flakes mind you
Dec 14 18:26:09 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: solution 2 to sdk problems. find the glibc2.8 from ubuntu
Dec 14 18:26:10 <lcuk> ahhhh, holly has got you eating special k then :P
Dec 14 18:26:15 <lardman> lcuk: shredded wheat + wine works a treat ;)
Dec 14 18:26:30 <lardman> lcuk: don't knock the special K, I quite like it!
Dec 14 18:26:31 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, nice, will remember that
Dec 14 18:26:35 <Stskeeps> it's at..
Dec 14 18:26:53 * qwerty12 likes special Krack for breakfast
Dec 14 18:26:55 <lcuk> i tried it once, but i kept gettin a wedgy from the red swimsuit i had to wear
Dec 14 18:27:02 <lardman> lol
Dec 14 18:27:15 <lardman> you have to eat 3 bowls full, but it tastes nice
Dec 14 18:27:31 <lcuk> 3 at a time?  i tohught it was meant for dieting
Dec 14 18:27:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel/libc6/2.8+20081027-0ubuntu10
Dec 14 18:27:50 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, ta#
Dec 14 18:27:57 <lardman> lcuk: oi you sound like MaceN800!
Dec 14 18:28:26 <lcuk> why? does he wear swimsuits as well>?
Dec 14 18:28:41 <lardman> no, he was implying I needed to diet I think
Dec 14 18:29:00 <lardman> I agreed, more pizza and beer ;)
Dec 14 18:29:10 <lcuk> nahhhh, you don't need to diet, but just make sure you sit in the middle on airplanes
Dec 14 18:29:18 <lardman> lol
Dec 14 18:29:44 <lardman> on that note, I have to go do some washing up, bbl :)
Dec 14 18:29:51 <lcuk> heh cya later
Dec 14 18:30:09 <lcuk> ok im goin as wlel, got some planning to do
Dec 14 18:31:24 <Jake__> i'm gonna do something insane
Dec 14 18:32:56 <Stskeeps> what? :P
Dec 14 18:36:43 <Stskeeps> wb b-man
Dec 14 18:36:49 <b-man> hi
Dec 14 18:37:13 <b-man> hmmm...
Dec 14 18:37:54 <b-man> well, i tryed it out and it looks pritty good :)
Dec 14 18:37:59 <b-man> but...
Dec 14 18:38:25 <Stskeeps> it's not complete in any way and needs apt-getting of stuff to have anything of worth :P
Dec 14 18:38:44 <Stskeeps> but what you just ran is fremantle software :P
Dec 14 18:39:41 <b-man> no, i'm trying to think of what i ned to say..
Dec 14 18:40:28 <Jake__> i'm going to make gimp on the tablet
Dec 14 18:40:47 <b-man> how can i set my root and user password?
Dec 14 18:40:57 <Meizirkki> passwd
Dec 14 18:41:10 <Stskeeps> b-man: well passwd from maemo in the chroot probably.. user password we dont really have yet :P
Dec 14 18:41:29 <Meizirkki> for user: passwd <user>
Dec 14 18:41:43 <b-man> thanks
Dec 14 18:41:47 <Meizirkki> i always run hildon as a user
Dec 14 18:42:11 <Jake__> am i insane?
Dec 14 18:42:21 <b-man> ?
Dec 14 18:42:39 <b-man> what do you mean insane?
Dec 14 18:43:04 <Stskeeps> Jake__: not really. gimp was in easy debian i think
Dec 14 18:45:13 <Meizirkki> hmm, Fn key is not working...
Dec 14 18:45:17 <Jake__> but it was in a 1.3gb partition on an sd card
Dec 14 18:45:21 <Meizirkki> i have xmodmap set up for it
Dec 14 18:45:49 <Stskeeps> get fatalsaints xmodmap?
Dec 14 18:46:05 <Meizirkki> i am using xmodmap from deblet
Dec 14 18:46:26 <Stskeeps> yeah, but that one is broken with Fn i think
Dec 14 18:46:31 <Stskeeps> fatalsaints xmodmap file should work
Dec 14 18:46:45 <Meizirkki> where cai i get it ?
Dec 14 18:46:51 <Meizirkki> s/cai/can/
Dec 14 18:46:52 <infobot> Meizirkki meant: where can i get it ?
Dec 14 18:47:11 <Stskeeps> it's on ITT somewhere
Dec 14 18:47:12 <Stskeeps> .P
Dec 14 18:47:17 <Meizirkki> k
Dec 14 18:50:39 <b-man> Installing a ton of stuff in mer from cdeb2» (my chroot software) :D
Dec 14 18:50:42 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 18:51:02 <Stskeeps> we definately need something alike embedding xnest/xephyr or whatever ..
Dec 14 18:51:12 <Stskeeps> so you can run native programs fullscreen that doesn't fit in hildon layout
Dec 14 18:52:40 <b-man> i havent tryed that yet, i don't have anything installed yet. :P
Dec 14 18:52:57 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 18:54:09 <b-man> does hildon-input-method work by any chance?
Dec 14 18:56:31 <Stskeeps> not yet i think
Dec 14 18:56:37 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki?
Dec 14 18:58:09 <Meizirkki> what?
Dec 14 18:58:12 <Meizirkki> h-i-m?
Dec 14 18:58:16 <Stskeeps> what keyboard possibilities did we have atm?
Dec 14 18:58:19 <Meizirkki> haven't tested yes
Dec 14 18:58:45 <Meizirkki> hatchbox-keyboard with many languages at least
Dec 14 18:58:49 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 14 18:58:56 <Stskeeps> matchbox you mean
Dec 14 18:59:03 <Meizirkki> yup
Dec 14 18:59:08 <Stskeeps> b-man: your best friend right now is usbnet atleast
Dec 14 18:59:40 <b-man> :p
Dec 14 19:02:16 <b-man> installing matchbox-kb, synaptic, iceweasel, gnome-apt, xkbd, dosbox, gimp.......
Dec 14 19:02:39 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 19:03:45 <b-man> i wonder if i can install Gnome, hmmmmmm......
Dec 14 19:05:06 <Stskeeps> b-man: there's a problem with gnomevfs2 atm so
Dec 14 19:05:32 <Stskeeps> you could probably but that'd remove hildon (atm)
Dec 14 19:05:39 <Stskeeps> it is ubuntu deep down so :P
Dec 14 19:09:00 <b-man> it's allwase good to try something new. :) Jhonx said that gnome on deblet could not be done..... and i sucseded... trial-and-error? :p
Dec 14 19:09:06 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 19:09:19 <Stskeeps> never underestimate the efforts of people with too much time on their hands..
Dec 14 19:09:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 19:09:56 <Stskeeps> god, i love this lastfm ripper
Dec 14 19:10:12 <Stskeeps> i can get some of my old mp3 collection back that i lost a cold night against asphalt..
Dec 14 19:10:21 <lcuk> god i hate this pan shaped branding on my hand
Dec 14 19:10:40 <Meizirkki> b-man: synaptic will crash your hildon
Dec 14 19:10:57 <qwerty12_N801> Stskeeps, you don't need last.fm for that... ;P
Dec 14 19:11:17 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N801: the fact is i don't recall the songs until i see them
Dec 14 19:11:21 <b-man> I'm just filled with overall enthusiasm - i'm allmost allwase up-beet and happy. :D
Dec 14 19:11:50 <qwerty12_N801> Stskeeps, hehe, i'm the same :)
Dec 14 19:12:31 <qwerty12_N801> b-man, i'm the opposite. i'm pessimistic and think everybody is pricks :p
Dec 14 19:13:10 <b-man> even your frends?
Dec 14 19:13:46 <qwerty12_N801> for sure :P
Dec 14 19:13:55 <b-man> lol
Dec 14 19:15:28 * Stskeeps ponders taking revenge on the neighbours drilling the walls on hangoverday
Dec 14 19:23:48 <Meizirkki> Fn still does not work :(
Dec 14 19:24:10 <Stskeeps> damnit :P
Dec 14 19:24:12 <Meizirkki> (using fatalsaints xmodmap now)
Dec 14 19:24:18 <Meizirkki> hmm...
Dec 14 19:24:21 <Stskeeps> are you sur eit gets run?
Dec 14 19:24:27 <Stskeeps> i mean, we dont use xsession right now..
Dec 14 19:24:28 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 19:24:29 <Meizirkki> yes
Dec 14 19:24:43 <Meizirkki> other changes i made work, but not the fn-key
Dec 14 19:24:55 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 14 19:28:38 <Stskeeps> yerga: around?
Dec 14 19:28:42 <Meizirkki> I start hildon by running startx.. so, i use xsession ?? :P
Dec 14 19:28:50 <Stskeeps> yeah, i guess so
Dec 14 19:28:56 <yerga> Stskeeps, more or less ;)
Dec 14 19:29:14 <Stskeeps> yerga: you were speaking of mce and such.. and i noticed face down and stuff like that
Dec 14 19:29:36 <Stskeeps> http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/13/nokia-patent-app-suggests-n97s-form-factor-isnt-complicated-en/ <- any of these rotations that make more sense in the orientations?
Dec 14 19:30:12 <Stskeeps> i mean, there's "face down" which is either a clamshell or something alike sick.. or that freaky thing
Dec 14 19:30:26 <Meizirkki> cheack "office for n810" at itT :P
Dec 14 19:30:44 <Meizirkki> s/cheack/check/
Dec 14 19:30:45 <infobot> Meizirkki meant: check "office for n810" at itT :P
Dec 14 19:32:08 <yerga> Stskeeps, could be...
Dec 14 19:33:50 <Meizirkki> grr.. Mer wont boot because fsck failed
Dec 14 19:34:03 <Meizirkki> i'll fsck in maemo
Dec 14 19:34:14 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: oh dear god
Dec 14 19:34:19 <Stskeeps> don't tell me that bug is bac
Dec 14 19:34:19 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 14 19:34:34 <Meizirkki> it gives me root prompt
Dec 14 19:34:40 <Stskeeps> ..
Dec 14 19:34:42 <Meizirkki> with RO fs
Dec 14 19:34:56 * Stskeeps sighs and really wants a new kernel on that thing.
Dec 14 19:35:38 <Meizirkki> i use 8pt fonts in Mer :P
Dec 14 19:36:21 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 14 19:36:54 <Meizirkki> damn, reallu much errors in fs
Dec 14 19:37:17 <Stskeeps> ext2 or ext3?
Dec 14 19:37:23 <Meizirkki> ext3
Dec 14 19:37:28 <Meizirkki> not that moch
Dec 14 19:37:32 <Meizirkki> much
Dec 14 19:38:01 * Meizirkki boots back to Mer
Dec 14 19:58:56 <Stskeeps> Mer bootstrapping meeting in #maemo-meeting in 2 minutes.
Dec 14 20:03:09 <lcuk> http://www.johnniemoore.com/blog/archives/hold-a-meeting.jpg
Dec 14 20:03:27 <lcuk> #maemo-meeting NOW
Dec 14 20:04:44 <lardman> lcuk: donuts?
Dec 14 20:04:47 <lardman> mmm
Dec 14 20:04:59 <lcuk> :D
Dec 14 20:08:44 <Stskeeps> client trouble, GA?
Dec 14 20:09:25 <qwerty12_N800> I'd take that as a yes :p
Dec 14 20:09:54 <GAN8001> Fucking piece of shit client. . . .
Dec 14 20:10:38 <lcuk> could telephone cleaners please report to #maemo-meeting
Dec 14 20:17:48 <Mousey> YAY! new freeciv packages!!
Dec 14 20:17:49 * Mousey glees
Dec 14 20:24:05 <Mousey> seriously, n810 is the coolest computer i've ever owned
Dec 14 20:24:13 <Mousey> if there's ever a gl-es version, i'll get it too
Dec 14 20:24:16 <XTL> :)
Dec 14 20:24:23 <Mousey> warzone2100, can you just see it???
Dec 14 20:24:26 <Mousey> how cool would that be?
Dec 14 20:24:58 <Mousey> it ought to be bigger tho, n800 sized, with hardware keyboard and dual SD?? UNSTOPPABLE
Dec 14 20:25:10 <Mousey> oh, and d-pad on the outside
Dec 14 20:25:10 <Mousey> wtf
Dec 14 20:25:16 <Mousey> ok, ok, enough outta me
Dec 14 20:25:21 * Mousey goes back to lurk moar
Dec 14 20:25:22 <GAN8001> We have Warzone 2100
Dec 14 20:25:33 <Mousey> for nseries?!?
Dec 14 20:25:42 <GAN8001> For a while
Dec 14 20:25:53 <GAN8001> For "Maemo", more accurately.
Dec 14 20:25:58 <Mousey> NO WAI
Dec 14 20:26:04 <mouser-> Mousey:  That does sound good.
Dec 14 20:26:37 <mouser-> Maybe that's in the works for n900 (I haven't seen any specs, if they are released)
Dec 14 20:27:01 <Mousey> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=225038
Dec 14 20:27:05 <Mousey> O HELL Yah
Dec 14 20:28:31 <Mousey> hmm,
Dec 14 20:28:35 * Mousey struggles to find a reop
Dec 14 20:28:37 <Mousey> repo, even
Dec 14 20:29:22 <GAN8001> mouser-, I recommend googling.
Dec 14 20:29:34 <GAN8001> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
Dec 14 20:30:37 <Mousey> http://pupnik.de/WarZone2100_N810_M.jpg
Dec 14 20:30:38 <Mousey> wow
Dec 14 20:32:52 <GAN8001> Mousey, you keep missing out on things that we've had for a while
Dec 14 20:33:09 <Mousey> oh hush
Dec 14 20:33:11 <GAN8001> Next time you think of something you'd like to see, start by googling '<thing you want> maemo'. :P
Dec 14 20:33:18 <Mousey> i usually do
Dec 14 20:33:29 <Mousey> but i'm too easily excited
Dec 14 20:33:30 <Mousey> =)
Dec 14 20:34:11 <mouser-> Are most new apps posted to maemo.org, or are they published on personal web sites?
Dec 14 20:34:32 <GAN8001> mouser-, depends on the dev
Dec 14 20:35:00 <GAN8001> usually maemo.org, but the early stuff tends to go to the forums or IRC first.
Dec 14 20:35:00 <Mousey> poop! no pupnik repo
Dec 14 20:37:32 <mouser-> GAN8001: The forums being ITT, correct?
Dec 14 20:37:43 <GAN8001> Yes
Dec 14 21:35:24 <MaceN800> hi
Dec 14 22:10:03 <mouser-> MaceN800: Hi
Dec 14 22:13:15 <Oli-n800> hi , is n800 broken camera flip rather software or hardware problem?
Dec 14 22:14:43 <Oli-n800> because in the morning it worked every time (i tried many times), but now there's no reaction for flipping
Dec 14 22:16:31 <bearclaw_> anyone knows where I could find the kernel configuration used for the IT2007 hacker edition?
Dec 14 22:17:11 <mouser-> Oli-n800: I have an N810, so I don't have any experience.  Have you tried the forums?
Dec 14 22:17:55 <mouser-> Oli-n800: Have you done anything to change the software recently?
Dec 14 22:17:55 <Stskeeps> bearclaw_: there were wiki pages on it at some point
Dec 14 22:19:09 <Oli-n800> some guy from tablettalk forums said that it's a hw error but i can't believe it
Dec 14 22:19:26 <Stskeeps> Oli-n800: and i guess you did try restarting?
Dec 14 22:20:03 <Oli-n800> few hours ago it worked always, i ran out of battery and now it doesn't work
Dec 14 22:20:43 <mouser-> I haven't heard of it happening before.  It sounds like it might be a software problem, since you ran out of battery.
Dec 14 22:20:44 <Oli-n800> i bought tablet about month ago and flipping worked only sometimes
Dec 14 22:21:21 <mouser-> The camera works, it just doesn't flip the image, right?
Dec 14 22:21:30 <Oli-n800> yes
Dec 14 22:21:56 <Stskeeps> wb b-man
Dec 14 22:22:06 <Oli-n800> i mean, it was flipping image few hours ago , before reboot
Dec 14 22:22:15 <b-man> hi
Dec 14 22:22:25 <Stskeeps> b-man: you up for making a simple script with zenity that makes a bootmenu item, and downloads and untars a tar.gz onto a partition?
Dec 14 22:22:44 <Stskeeps> for tablet
Dec 14 22:22:58 <b-man> shure
Dec 14 22:23:53 <Stskeeps> make an easy option (partition my external MMC, 50mb fat, 256mb swap and rest linux, for instance) and advanced one where they choose their own mmc partition
Dec 14 22:24:01 <Stskeeps> sfdisk can help you with the first one
Dec 14 22:24:04 <mouser-> Oli-n800: There's probably something else you could do to troubleshoot it, but if you have a recent backup (or I guess you can make one, since everything else works and the backup wouldn't restore the OS, just the user), I'd try re-flashing to see if that fixes it.
Dec 14 22:24:14 <b-man> Btw, i'll send you that launcher as soon as possible, i've ben a little districted.
Dec 14 22:24:19 <Stskeeps> fair enough
Dec 14 22:24:34 <Stskeeps> i'm working on SDK, but need some way for people to try Mer easily
Dec 14 22:25:10 <mouser-> Oli-n800: But reboot if you haven't done a clean reboot since the battery died, to see if that fixes it.
Dec 14 22:27:45 <Oli-n800> mouser-, i've got tablet for a month so i haven't thought about flashing
Dec 14 22:28:09 <Oli-n800> i don't have any backups too
Dec 14 22:28:16 <b-man> I had synaptic running successfully in hildon. i'll post some screenshots on ITT.
Dec 14 22:28:29 <mouser-> Oli-n800: Try a clean reboot first.  If that doesn't work, you can make a backup of what you have now.
Dec 14 22:28:36 <Stskeeps> b-man: alright, sounds good
Dec 14 22:28:57 <qwerty12_N800> synaptic compiles for diablo too, just looks like shit
Dec 14 22:29:46 <lardman> Oli-n800: there's a sysfs entry to tell you which way up the camera is, check that to see if it's hw
Dec 14 22:29:55 <lardman> hmm, too late
Dec 14 22:30:08 <mouser-> Oli-n800: Also, if you've only had it for a month, are you still running Chinook or have you upgraded to Diablo?  Fairly recently Nokia upgraded the OS for the N800/N810.
Dec 14 22:31:00 <mouser-> lardman: I figured there was something else he could try, but he's just doing a reboot, hopefully not a reflash yet.
Dec 14 22:31:37 <lcuk> liqbase question.if i wrote a visual designer would you expect it to edit and save documents like source files with an explicit save and overwrite the existing data, or would you want it to operate like wikipedia and maintain every revision
Dec 14 22:32:08 <lardman> mouser-: is there not a bug about this? I've heard people say this quite a lot
Dec 14 22:32:41 <b-man> does libqbase work under mer?
Dec 14 22:32:57 <lcuk> not sure yet, wouldnt expect it too, it uses nokia touch dll
Dec 14 22:33:10 <oli> mouser-: i've bought it with latest diablo so i didnt have to reflash
Dec 14 22:33:14 <Stskeeps> b-man: not sure if xv is fast enough
Dec 14 22:33:21 <lcuk> rly?
Dec 14 22:34:14 <qwerty12_N800> i'm not sure liqbase would display properly due to fb being auto
Dec 14 22:34:25 <lcuk> whats difference/
Dec 14 22:34:29 <qwerty12_N800> in maemo, if fb is auto, liqbase doesn't display
Dec 14 22:34:48 <lcuk> well thats just buncum!
Dec 14 22:34:55 <Oli-n800> lardman, you know something more?
Dec 14 22:35:24 <Oli-n800> i've rebooted and nothing has changed
Dec 14 22:35:30 <lardman> just that there's a sysfs entry which tells you the hw state
Dec 14 22:36:59 <lardman> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3303 ?
Dec 14 22:39:03 <lardman> sounds like you should uninstall the camera app, then re-install it
Dec 14 22:40:03 <Oli-n800> i've had both camera and videocamera installed
Dec 14 22:40:16 <Oli-n800> now only videocamera left
Dec 14 22:40:38 <b-man> @ Stskeeps; i might have a little truble automating the partitioning prosess, i know how to manualy partittion a mmc, but i'm not shure how to automate the prosess. made i shuld contact panguinbait about this.
Dec 14 22:40:51 <Stskeeps> b-man: sec, lemme find an example
Dec 14 22:41:26 <Stskeeps> b-man: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh
Dec 14 22:41:36 <b-man> thanks!!
Dec 14 22:41:36 <Stskeeps> the sfdisk stuf
Dec 14 22:41:42 <Stskeeps> ,, means rest of space
Dec 14 22:42:44 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: check at some point if your -devkit-debian is 1.0.10
Dec 14 22:43:16 * qwerty12_N800 adds it to yellownotes
Dec 14 22:45:00 <qwerty12_N800> No one wanting to try the mer, hildonized xchat build?
Dec 14 22:46:46 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i will eventually, getting a sdk script made atm :P
Dec 14 22:46:54 <Oli-n800> lardman, i would try comment #14 from your link
Dec 14 22:48:49 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, Hehe, i'd try it but I have no inclination to partition my card nor mess around with getting wifi or usbnet working :P
Dec 14 22:52:59 <lardman> night all
Dec 14 22:55:05 <b-man> correct me if i am wrong, but:      (  ,50,C = 50mb fat   ,128,S = 128mb swap   ,,L  = linux83 for the rest )  is this setup correct?, my knowledge is mostly based off of fsdisk.
Dec 14 23:00:36 <Oli-n800> still nothing
Dec 14 23:03:40 <Stskeeps> bearclaw_: looks good
Dec 14 23:03:41 <Stskeeps> er
Dec 14 23:03:44 <Stskeeps> b-man
Dec 14 23:03:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 14 23:07:23 <b-man> sorry, my tablet's touchscreen crashed and i got disconnected. did i miss any information?
Dec 14 23:07:50 <Stskeeps> b-man: yes, looks good
Dec 14 23:08:06 <b-man> thanks! :)
Dec 14 23:08:24 <Stskeeps> and try to use the same trick deblet uses to find out if its internal or external :P
Dec 14 23:08:28 <Stskeeps> (its a shell script)
Dec 14 23:13:58 <Stskeeps> hmm.
Dec 14 23:37:49 <mouser-> oli: Any luck yet?
Dec 14 23:40:03 <bearclaw_> found it, there is a n770_defconfig target in the kernel-source package
Dec 14 23:52:07 <gomiam> Hi, anyone around?
Dec 14 23:52:35 <Stskeeps> somewha
Dec 14 23:52:36 <Stskeeps> t
Dec 14 23:53:30 <gomiam> :)
Dec 14 23:55:54 <gomiam> Just a question so I can go on my way... Does the Maemo Xserver use the system keymap or its own one? I have found some keymaps in /usr/share but my Bt keyboard seems unable to type the "greater than" character in Spanish mode, which is my native one. I can type < with little hassle, though.
Dec 14 23:58:46 <gomiam> I have been told I should add a mapping through liberal use of xevent to get the key combo and some other program to set the specific mapping, but I would like to be able to change some file so it will be available whenevere I choose the spanish keymap.
Dec 15 00:01:18 <gomiam> (By the way, what's this braindead Nokia idea of treating their MIDs as if they were phones? I can't find pointers for n800 in the Nokia Store anymore, and finding other components is getting to be tricky)
Dec 15 00:05:22 <lcuk> gomiam, not sure on the mapping, but i know people went through very similar issues and modified some keymap when trying to get tab to work on n810
Dec 15 00:05:48 <lcuk> http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/
Dec 15 00:06:00 <lcuk> theres a lot of information about changing the keyboard there :)
Dec 15 00:07:43 <gomiam> Thanks a lot!
Dec 15 00:28:01 <gomiam> Time to restart and try...
Dec 15 01:13:51 <GuySoft> hey, if i open a video i downloaded with gpodder, it comes out really slow. is there a way to speed up video playback? it seems to happen even to videos that are superposed to be playable on ipods..
Dec 15 01:24:05 <disco_stu> GuySoft, check the video format and resolution
Dec 15 01:25:33 <GuySoft> disco_stu, some are high, some are not too high but still sluggish..
Dec 15 01:26:08 <GuySoft> disco_stu, isnt there a way to build an auto-encoding tool.. it was done in the original gpodder ..
Dec 15 01:31:05 <disco_stu> with open source you can do whatever you want :)
Dec 15 01:41:17 <GuySoft> disco_stu, i need open time too..
Dec 15 01:41:29 <GuySoft> there were days where i coded what i want when i want..
Dec 15 01:41:33 <GuySoft> ah.. the memories
Dec 15 02:33:24 <christendoc> Thanks to pointers from some of you fine gentleman, I've got a functional keyboard and working wpa wireless now on my native gentoo n810. Will update documentation soon, but gotta study some for real world.
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