**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 15 02:59:57 2008
Dec 15 05:22:59 <Ro9u3oR> KDE vs. Xfce on N800 which would you recommend
Dec 15 05:25:35 <duzt> xfce
Dec 15 05:25:58 <duzt> tho. i only use maemo in my n800
Dec 15 05:28:33 <Ro9u3oR> thanks duzt
Dec 15 05:29:24 <Ro9u3oR> is it possible to use espeak as a audio ebook reader?
Dec 15 06:56:22 <Meiz_n810> morning
Dec 15 06:57:14 <Meiz_n810> is there a good and lightweight painting softaware?
Dec 15 06:57:18 <Meiz_n810> (for Mer)
Dec 15 07:16:27 <pupnik> Meiz_n810: i like mypaint
Dec 15 07:16:37 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 15 07:23:06 <Livingroom> sup foo
Dec 15 08:48:41 <ds3> xp
Dec 15 09:03:57 <Myrtti> o hai!
Dec 15 09:05:18 <Proteous> I see what you did there
Dec 15 09:05:43 <Myrtti> uh-oh
Dec 15 09:05:57 <Myrtti> meaow?
Dec 15 09:11:45 <RST38h> EHLO all
Dec 15 09:28:44 <Meiz_n810> what were the pics needed to edit for transparent panels?
Dec 15 09:31:24 <Meiz_n810> john761 is spamming itT!!!
Dec 15 09:39:21 <RST38h> KILL! KILL!
Dec 15 10:22:51 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 15 10:29:37 <keesj> hi
Dec 15 10:51:04 <lcuk> crap: emergency, just purchased wayfinder 1 month license this morning and when entering code it wont activate because it needs working network, dns is borked at this end so only wifi works between machines, is there any way to activate this license without network.  i have a need to use it as soon as i finish work today :$ its important
Dec 15 10:55:04 <lardman> setup a local dns server?
Dec 15 10:56:25 <lcuk> lardman, im gonna get at max 5 mins after i get home :S i cant access tablet from work to see fi its working either :(
Dec 15 10:56:53 <lardman> it doesn't take long to register
Dec 15 10:56:56 <lcuk> we got code from website and remembered it was entering a big long serial - thought it would activate without a network but it needs to check
Dec 15 10:57:40 <lardman> yeah, no-one trusts anyone these days ;)
Dec 15 10:57:41 <lcuk> i know timing wise, but its the windows network thats goosed here, tablet connects here and through my connsharing and out, but something is deliciously borkened
Dec 15 10:58:06 <lcuk> if theres no way round needing network ill have to do without
Dec 15 11:01:34 <lardman> head out to a cafe for lunch! :)
Dec 15 11:09:24 <Jaffa> lcuk: tried in offline mode, rather than just with a b0rked network?
Dec 15 11:47:27 <lcuk> lardman,logistics, nokia is at home, i am at work.  jaffa, thanks ill try it when i get back
Dec 15 11:48:11 <lcuk> ahhh, tracy saw your message jaffa:
Dec 15 11:48:14 <lcuk> "i tried it with net offline but it just tries to connect to the net when u enter the code so if u cant fix it ur gonna be toddless"
Dec 15 11:48:21 <lcuk> im on my todd \o/
Dec 15 12:01:14 <Stskeeps> morning
Dec 15 12:04:10 <X-Fade> Interesting: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=249635&postcount=111
Dec 15 12:04:31 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Do you want me to put the meeting log up on maemo.org?
Dec 15 12:06:39 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: yes, would be great :) sorry, it managed to slip me
Dec 15 12:07:01 <Stskeeps> and yes, interesting orientations and call states
Dec 15 12:07:09 <Stskeeps> i still wonder wtf "face down" means
Dec 15 12:07:24 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Screen on table.
Dec 15 12:07:30 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 15 12:07:35 <Stskeeps> maybe
Dec 15 12:07:41 <X-Fade> So you can flip it over to silence it for example.
Dec 15 12:08:05 <Stskeeps> it'll be interesting at least
Dec 15 12:08:05 <X-Fade> And not wake the display up when there is a mauku update because you can't see it anyway.
Dec 15 12:08:23 <Stskeeps> or a way to mute the tablet in the morning when alarm goes on ..
Dec 15 12:08:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 15 12:08:28 <X-Fade> Possibilites are limitless.
Dec 15 12:08:32 <RST38h> X-Fade: My guess is that they are keeping the old naming convention
Dec 15 12:08:49 <RST38h> So although defines start with MCE, MCE may well be gone
Dec 15 12:09:00 <X-Fade> RST38h: Sure..
Dec 15 12:09:19 <GAN800> What if you're checking your email on the space shuttle? :(
Dec 15 12:09:25 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i think d-bus API mce provides will still be exposed
Dec 15 12:09:40 <Stskeeps> it is used quite a lot in apps, so
Dec 15 12:09:48 <derf> GAN800: I presume that's what "unknown" is for.
Dec 15 12:09:50 <X-Fade> GAN800: As long as it is accelerating, it should work. (Kind of)
Dec 15 12:10:10 <GAN800> Sitting there with it face 'down' on the pad. :P
Dec 15 12:13:35 <GAN800> I was trying X-Plane on the iPhone last night. We're gonna need a flight sim. . . .
Dec 15 12:14:32 <RST38h> Sts: Yep - I don't think they will be changing the whole thing just because the actual agent changes
Dec 15 12:14:45 <Stskeeps> RST38h: and that's the purpose of defining interfaces :)
Dec 15 12:14:51 <Stskeeps> GAN800: with accelerometer?
Dec 15 12:14:59 <GAN800> Yeah
Dec 15 12:15:15 <RST38h> GAN <-- infidel! =)
Dec 15 12:15:20 <GAN800> Not perfect, but surprisingly smooth
Dec 15 12:15:25 <RST38h> iNfidel, iven =)
Dec 15 12:15:29 <RST38h> s/iven/even/
Dec 15 12:15:29 <infobot> RST38h meant: iNfidel, even =)
Dec 15 12:18:24 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/mer-meeting-2008-12-14.html
Dec 15 12:18:37 <Stskeeps> thank you, X-Fade
Dec 15 12:18:59 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Known issue: "latest items" on /news/ isn't updating?
Dec 15 12:19:58 <X-Fade> Jaffa: It should? :)
Dec 15 12:20:10 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Is it not loading a feed?
Dec 15 12:20:37 <Jaffa> X-Fade: planet items not updated since Friday on the sidebar, even though the main content is up-to-date
Dec 15 12:22:09 <GAN800> I noticed events weren't updating on the front page either.
Dec 15 12:22:33 <X-Fade> Hmm yeah, it seems the anonymous pages' cache doesn't expire.
Dec 15 12:23:16 <X-Fade> It does update when logged in.
Dec 15 12:23:20 <X-Fade> Need to investigate.
Dec 15 12:43:41 <GAN8001> X-Fade, also, can you put repository.maemo.org/community into the back of your mind for Mer?
Dec 15 12:44:00 <Stskeeps> also, which software do you use to manage the current repositories?
Dec 15 12:44:16 <GAN8001> We'll need a firmer definition of "what" and "how", but, speaking generally, we want it to be hosted from there abouts.
Dec 15 12:47:06 <Stskeeps> morning lardman|home
Dec 15 12:47:42 <lardman|home> hey Stskeeps
Dec 15 12:48:55 <X-Fade> GAN8001: That should not be a problem. Although a clear what goes where and who does what might be in order ;)
Dec 15 12:49:30 <GAN800> Stskeeps, want to put together a wiki task?
Dec 15 12:50:06 <Stskeeps> yeah, ok
Dec 15 12:51:19 <andrewfblack> Morning
Dec 15 12:51:32 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: what repository software do you use currently for extras?
Dec 15 12:52:13 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: We use queue-manager. A custom script top of the debian tools.
Dec 15 12:52:17 <Stskeeps> alright
Dec 15 12:52:36 <X-Fade> But basically dpkg-* tools.
Dec 15 12:55:40 <lcuk> mornin X-Fade, hope they are keeping you busy in the bowels
Dec 15 12:57:37 <Stskeeps> ~seen johnx
Dec 15 12:57:39 <infobot> johnx <i=hidden-u@202.209.68.73> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 22h 57m 37s ago, saying: ':)'.
Dec 15 12:57:42 <X-Fade> lcuk: Sure..
Dec 15 12:58:08 <lcuk> lol X-Fade isnt GAN a slave driver (good job he can't hear us:P)
Dec 15 12:58:38 <lcuk>  Stskeeps john has dozed off finally, he was threatening to go to sleep, but now you wont hear from him until spring
Dec 15 12:58:49 * GAN8001 cracks the whip on lcuk.
Dec 15 12:58:58 <lcuk> lardman|home, any further on your investigation of DSP on steroids doing transform&lighting or are we in a holding pattern for things
Dec 15 12:59:04 <lcuk> :D GAN8001
Dec 15 13:01:16 <lardman|home> lcuk: I've been a bit busy, haven't really looked at it any more, ping baddu as he started that
Dec 15 13:01:37 <lardman|home> lcuk: just looking at the sbc patches, and preferably waiting on the powervr thing
Dec 15 13:10:00 <lcuk> lardman|home, yeah will do, just pondering is all.  i think ive got myself over a hump and am onto the next step - hopefully the way ive written stuff these kinds of improvements can just be slotted in
Dec 15 13:11:14 <lardman|home> good good
Dec 15 13:11:38 * lardman|home looks at rejected hunks
Dec 15 13:14:30 * Stskeeps looks at scratchbox devkits and tries to make sense of them.
Dec 15 13:18:06 <Stskeeps> wb Meiz_n810
Dec 15 13:20:34 <Meiz_n810> thanks
Dec 15 13:20:47 <Meiz_n810> i'll boot to mer soon..
Dec 15 13:20:58 <Meiz_n810> anything new?
Dec 15 13:21:55 <Stskeeps> not really, working on SDK, b-man will make a small "download tar.gz, partition my MMC card and put mer on it" script
Dec 15 13:23:05 <Stskeeps> to make it easier for people to try it out
Dec 15 13:27:45 <lcuk> regarding scratchbox, if i have an IDE which can handle managing a "standard" gnu project build, does it simply need telling the new path to know to build via scratchbox, or does the scratchbox plugin have to be distinct from the main build configurations?
Dec 15 13:30:57 <Stskeeps> http://xbmodder.us/index.php?q=node/24 <- interesting
Dec 15 13:31:06 <Meiz_n810> what file is toolbars backgroung in /usr/share/themes/.../images/?
Dec 15 13:31:47 <Meiz_n810> i would like to modify grasser theme a bit
Dec 15 13:32:01 <Stskeeps> no clue personally :P
Dec 15 13:32:14 <Meiz_n810> somewhere in itT :P
Dec 15 13:32:36 <Meiz_n810> i'm just to search :)
Dec 15 14:02:56 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide <- working SDK for Mer (ARMEL)
Dec 15 14:04:45 <Stskeeps> GAN8001: odd question - sprint activity logs, are those from previous month, or from the month the sprint items are about?
Dec 15 14:16:53 <t_s_o> hmm, a 40% drop in battery over 10 hours or so...
Dec 15 14:17:03 <Stskeeps> your battery meter thing?
Dec 15 14:17:37 <t_s_o> nope, good old manual. wrote down the battery percentage when i went to bed and checked again when i got up...
Dec 15 14:19:40 <t_s_o> hmm, i swear, modest thinks it should do autochecking on some account, while i have it specifically turned of. only way to notice it is that as i currently have some networking issue on my N800 i get a "unable to connect" dialog, followed by the account settings window, when i do not have the main modest window open...
Dec 15 14:21:33 <Stskeeps> i gave up using modest
Dec 15 14:21:45 <Stskeeps> i use claws. not so layout friendly, but it works without hassle
Dec 15 14:22:32 <t_s_o> well i just want to be able to check the headers and odd mail of some pop accounts
Dec 15 14:22:44 <dockane> hi all
Dec 15 14:22:59 <t_s_o> so i could have survived with the old osso-mail with the 2-line modest interface...
Dec 15 14:23:43 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 15 14:23:54 <t_s_o> hmm, on what repo is the ogg-support package on? panucci complains about it not being around :(
Dec 15 14:24:37 * Stskeeps ponders what next release name of mer should be.
Dec 15 14:24:51 <Stskeeps> 'alpha' currently, as we needed something :P
Dec 15 14:24:52 <t_s_o> "insane rabbit"?
Dec 15 14:25:13 <dockane> need some info about the n800 battery, which is the nokia bp-5l. here in germany there are 2 different versions in the shops, an 1300 mAh and an 1500 mAh version (same price btw). does anybody know something assured about that (i.e. if the smaller one is an old version or something like that)
Dec 15 14:25:35 <kulve> t_s_o: it's still only in my own repo..
Dec 15 14:25:50 <t_s_o> ah, that may explain it...
Dec 15 14:25:52 <Stskeeps> since mer is ocean.. sea creatures maybe
Dec 15 14:26:23 <Stskeeps> manatee? :>
Dec 15 14:26:39 <RST38h> Alabaster Amoeba?
Dec 15 14:27:21 <Stskeeps> amoeba isn't bad, as it is not that big an animal just yet :P
Dec 15 14:33:48 <lardman|home> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/sbc/sbcenc.o.diablo-improved-filterbank
Dec 15 14:34:09 <lardman|home> for those who do lots of sbc listening, please let me know if it sounds better