**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 29 02:59:56 2008
Dec 29 03:03:32 <b-man> cjdavis; did you have havahi-daemon installed before? try rm -f /etc/rc2.d/S14avahi-daemon, run the install again, and see if that helps.
Dec 29 03:08:24 <cjdavis> I've tried that, but it still fails -
Dec 29 03:09:08 <cjdavis> because it's the call to invoke-rc.d that fails -
Dec 29 03:09:48 <cjdavis> I've found a reference to this same error in forums with people trying to install other daemon packages - httpd I think for one, let me find the link
Dec 29 03:10:33 <cjdavis> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21613
Dec 29 03:11:15 <cjdavis> I ended up doing that - commenting out the actual tests for the symbolic link - and now it worked
Dec 29 03:12:00 <cjdavis> the tests in invoke-rc.d I mean. running invoke-rc.d from a bash shell gives the exact same errors.
Dec 29 03:12:56 <cjdavis> the funny part, I tried copying those lines into a do nothing test script and it worked aok, even testing against the exact same rc.d symbolic links that fail in the invoke script!
Dec 29 03:17:26 <cjdavis> so I guess I should just pursue this by filing a bug against mini-rc, which is the package invoke-rc.d is from
Dec 29 03:40:59 <pupnik> hmm
Dec 29 03:41:13 <pupnik> file bug cjdavis
Dec 29 03:41:20 <cjdavis> k
Dec 29 03:42:15 <cjdavis> um, dumb question: where?
Dec 29 03:42:19 <cjdavis> maemo.org?
Dec 29 03:42:49 <cjdavis> ah i found the bugzilla i think
Dec 29 03:48:11 <cjdavis> hmm. looking at the package info, it seems that mini-rc is a replacement for initscripts?
Dec 29 03:49:42 <pupnik> i don't know this, sorry can't help
Dec 29 03:50:24 <cjdavis> ok. there really isn't any kind of package database like packages.debian.org is there?
Dec 29 03:55:44 <pupnik> cjdavis: there are searchable indexes exposed through web pages
Dec 29 03:55:51 <pupnik> dunno about a manifest
Dec 29 04:06:50 <cjdavis> I know about http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php but what others are there?
Dec 29 04:08:15 <Vulcanis> I think thats the best one
Dec 29 04:08:19 <Vulcanis> I thikn theres also one at maemo.org
Dec 29 04:10:06 <cjdavis> it seems like the application manager program is next to useless
Dec 29 04:10:48 <cjdavis> ie, I try to search for avahi while browsing installable apps, nothing
Dec 29 04:11:18 <cjdavis> apt-get search avahi returns like 20 packages.
Dec 29 04:12:53 * mira  inunda de ~~~~~~~~ saludos a la gente linda de  #maemo
Dec 29 04:13:00 <mira> ]hello||
Dec 29 04:13:30 <cjdavis> hello
Dec 29 04:13:42 <mira> ]how are you?||
Dec 29 04:14:35 <cjdavis> irritated by not having aptitude.
Dec 29 04:16:04 <b-man> i wonder why nobody has tryed compiling aptitude for maemo....
Dec 29 04:16:58 <cjdavis> dunno, it sure would make it easy to navigate around these dependencies and such.
Dec 29 04:17:12 <mira> ]who are maemo?||
Dec 29 04:17:21 <cjdavis> however, I can confirm that I dont want to replace mini-rc with initscripts
Dec 29 04:17:37 <cjdavis> i think it will basically remove every package on the system.
Dec 29 04:17:50 <mira> ]sorry||
Dec 29 04:18:03 <mira> ]i have a problem||
Dec 29 04:18:10 <mira> ]iīm spanish||
Dec 29 04:18:19 <cjdavis> maemo is an embedded operating system for internet tablet devices - Linux
Dec 29 04:18:23 <mira> ]and donīt understand||
Dec 29 04:18:26 <mira> ]very fene||
Dec 29 04:18:42 <mira> ]ok||
Dec 29 04:18:55 <mira> ]is wiht ubuntu||
Dec 29 04:18:56 <mira> ]?||
Dec 29 04:20:07 <cjdavis> actually, I think the Ubuntu Mobile Internet Device (MID) Edition is based on maemo in some way
Dec 29 04:20:21 <cjdavis> is that right?
Dec 29 04:20:32 <b-man> it uses hildon..
Dec 29 04:20:53 <b-man> and some of the api's...
Dec 29 04:21:27 <GAN800> cjdavis, the Application Manager only exposes user-visible packages.
Dec 29 04:21:27 <b-man> so in a way, kinda ;)
Dec 29 04:21:41 <GAN800> and aptitude sucks on 800x480
Dec 29 04:22:12 <GAN800> packages.maemo.org is more or less planned.
Dec 29 04:22:12 <cjdavis> and so do thumb keyboards when I'm sitting at home, so I just ssh into it
Dec 29 04:22:50 <cjdavis> with bash and a bunch of terminals.. its all good
Dec 29 04:23:02 <cjdavis> GAN800, packages.. cool..
Dec 29 04:59:26 <Navimaster> Hi everyone
Dec 29 04:59:30 <Navimaster> I need some help
Dec 29 04:59:32 <Navimaster> anyone here?
Dec 29 05:01:27 <Navimaster> please, i really need help setting up the screen rotation on my n800
Dec 29 05:02:34 <cjdavis> huh, I don't think I've seen anything about that
Dec 29 05:02:47 <Navimaster> screen rotation?
Dec 29 05:03:52 <mouser-> I've heard of screen rotation.
Dec 29 05:04:02 <Navimaster> can you help me set it up?
Dec 29 05:04:19 <Navimaster> I got all the files to set it up but one of them isn't working, it says "Incompatible Application Package"
Dec 29 05:04:28 <mouser-> Apparently there is a kernel patch you need to apply to get it to work.  I'll check to see if I can find it in the wiki.
Dec 29 05:04:48 <Navimaster> awesome, thanks
Dec 29 05:04:48 <cjdavis> i found this: www.sse2.net/rotate
Dec 29 05:04:58 <Navimaster> yeah thats where I'm trying to do
Dec 29 05:05:01 <Navimaster> *what
Dec 29 05:05:05 <cjdavis> procedure looks easy, but potentially dangerous
Dec 29 05:05:39 <Navimaster> the osso software rx*4 unlocked doesn't install for my n800
Dec 29 05:05:47 <Navimaster> it returns as "Incompatible Application Package"
Dec 29 05:06:35 <cjdavis> both the rx44 and rx34? from that link?
Dec 29 05:06:40 <Navimaster> yup
Dec 29 05:06:42 <Navimaster> tried both
Dec 29 05:06:47 <GAN800> Navimaster, apt-get install rotation-support-n810
Dec 29 05:07:14 <GAN800> Navimaster, _only_ use the package appropriate for your tablet.
Dec 29 05:09:14 <Navimaster> apt-get install rotation-support-n810?
Dec 29 05:09:21 <Navimaster> shouldn't it be n800
Dec 29 05:09:28 <GAN800> Assuming you actually have an N810
Dec 29 05:09:40 <GAN800> If you have an N800. . . .
Dec 29 05:09:41 <Navimaster> I have an n800 not n810
Dec 29 05:09:51 <cjdavis> what repository is it in? extras?
Dec 29 05:10:13 <Navimaster> yeah
Dec 29 05:10:21 <GAN800> No.
Dec 29 05:10:25 <GAN800> jott's repo
Dec 29 05:10:36 <GAN800> Not really appropriate for Extras
Dec 29 05:11:09 <mouser-> GAN800, why is that?
Dec 29 05:11:19 <cjdavis> sounds like something I'm not going to muck with until its part of the std install
Dec 29 05:11:47 <cjdavis> cause you are reflashing the kernel image maybe?
Dec 29 05:12:09 <GAN800> mouser-, it's too late at night and this thumbboard is too slow for me to bother explaining. :)
Dec 29 05:12:25 <GAN800> cjdavis, no, not really.
Dec 29 05:12:27 <Navimaster> how can I make this work?
Dec 29 05:12:39 <cjdavis> :)
Dec 29 05:12:54 <Navimaster> I need it to install the rest of the packages appropriately
Dec 29 05:12:57 <GAN800> Navimaster, apt-get install rotation-support-n800
Dec 29 05:13:02 <Navimaster> okay
Dec 29 05:15:39 <Navimaster> Alright now it says...
Dec 29 05:15:40 <mouser-> GAN800, That's understandable.  :) Until then, I'll satisfy my curiosity by guessing it's because it's alpha quality and/or too much of a hack to be in extras.  Or because it messes with the kernel.
Dec 29 05:16:02 <Navimaster> Reading package lists... Done  Building dependency tree  Reading state information... Done   E: Couldn't find package rotation-support-n800
Dec 29 05:16:38 <GAN800> mouser-, mostly it's packaging. The patches themselves are perfectly stable.
Dec 29 05:17:02 <Vulcanis> hey...
Dec 29 05:17:11 <Vulcanis> is rotation support actually useful?
Dec 29 05:17:15 <GAN800> outpo.st/rotate
Dec 29 05:17:25 <Vulcanis> I haven't thought of a use for it other than ebooks
Dec 29 05:17:33 <GAN800> Vulcanis, entirely dependent on your use-case.
Dec 29 05:18:14 <GAN800> Navimaster, outpo.st/rotate, tap the .install, then apt-get install rotation-support-n800
Dec 29 05:18:46 <Navimaster> Alright, I am installing.
Dec 29 05:18:55 <Navimaster> Now it says
Dec 29 05:19:00 <Navimaster> Unable to install
Dec 29 05:19:04 <Navimaster> Conflicting application packages
Dec 29 05:19:06 <mouser-> Vulcanis: Have you seen the screenshots (http://www.sse2.net/rotate/)?  It looks fairly useful to me. Although, if you only use it for e-books, FBreader has rotation support built-in
Dec 29 05:19:15 <GAN800> h-a-m will bitch, ignore it and apt-get
Dec 29 05:20:02 <Navimaster> k
Dec 29 05:21:09 <Navimaster> k got it to install via xterm
Dec 29 05:21:24 <Navimaster> thanks so much!
Dec 29 05:29:49 <Navimaster> Argh
Dec 29 05:30:00 <Navimaster> how come I can't install the other packages now?
Dec 29 05:30:56 <Navimaster> Incompatible Application Package for the patched xserver-xomap and diablo flasher
Dec 29 05:31:07 <Navimaster> wont let me install them
Dec 29 05:38:56 <Navimaster> anyone here?
Dec 29 05:39:32 <cjdavis> kinda, but dunno I can help
Dec 29 05:39:58 <cjdavis> what are you entering for apt-get, and whats theoutput?
Dec 29 05:41:33 <Navimaster> i'm not using apt-get, just installing from memory card
Dec 29 05:41:53 <Navimaster> tried to install xserver-xomap patch but it says Incompatible Application Package in  the manager
Dec 29 05:42:23 <cjdavis> so are you trying to do this from the application manager, not from the command line with apt-get or dpkg or whatever?
Dec 29 05:43:05 <Navimaster> lol nevermind
Dec 29 05:43:23 <Navimaster> just used the command line with dpkg and it worked
Dec 29 05:43:35 <Navimaster> sorry, i just got my nokia yesterday, lol
Dec 29 05:44:37 <cjdavis> np. I've found the app manager to be pretty dumbed down. if you have to use it, you can look in the menu->tools->log for a little more descriptive logging
Dec 29 05:45:20 <Navimaster> thanks
Dec 29 05:56:02 <Navimaster> Well, it works
Dec 29 05:56:11 <Navimaster> but the on-screen keyboard is really screwed up
Dec 29 05:56:18 <cjdavis> cool, ah
Dec 29 05:56:28 <Navimaster> I have to go back to original mode to type
Dec 29 05:56:42 <cjdavis> well, even if you had the n810, the keyboard would be screwed up.. ;)
Dec 29 05:56:45 <Navimaster> and vertical mode for a more pleasant view of websites
Dec 29 05:57:00 <cjdavis> is the text big enough to read?
Dec 29 05:57:07 <Navimaster> so as opposed to one mode, I have two modes now, though only one can be used to type correctly :D
Dec 29 05:57:12 <Navimaster> yeah
Dec 29 05:57:29 <Navimaster> the menus are good, everything is perfect, except the keyboard lol
Dec 29 05:59:41 <pupnik> no virtual keyboard yet for rotated mode?
Dec 29 06:00:26 <Navimaster> more like a virtual cramped-up-so-much-to-fit-the-screen-that-its-useless keyboard on rotated mode
Dec 29 06:00:37 <mouser-> No, but I imagine it would be so small as to not be useful
Dec 29 06:01:00 <mouser-> There is a vertical keyboard that might be helpful
Dec 29 06:01:07 <Navimaster> But hey, its beautiful to browse the internet in fullscreen now.
Dec 29 06:01:20 <Navimaster> just have to change modes in-between if you want to type.
Dec 29 06:01:39 <mouser-> It's not a QWERTY layout, but it would fit nicer.  I can find it if you're interested.
Dec 29 06:01:51 <Navimaster> sure, I'd appreciate it
Dec 29 06:04:25 <mouser-> Alright, checking now.
Dec 29 06:04:35 <Navimaster> ugh what the--, control menu isn't rotated-mode either
Dec 29 06:04:56 <Navimaster> pretty useless control panel if you can only see one side
Dec 29 06:05:25 <Navimaster> so i guess you also have to change back to normal mode to modify control panel/settings
Dec 29 06:06:10 <mouser-> It's called Xkbd.
Dec 29 06:07:32 <mouser-> Navimaster, pupnik: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=160274&postcount=248
Dec 29 06:08:35 <Navimaster> alright i'm gonna try it see how it goes
Dec 29 06:08:38 <Navimaster> hold on
Dec 29 06:09:51 <pupnik> i like landscape mode for websites
Dec 29 06:09:56 <pupnik> they really want 800pix width
Dec 29 06:10:12 <Navimaster> me too, which is why i got it
Dec 29 06:10:43 <pupnik> screen-rotate gives 'portrait' mode, not 'landscape'
Dec 29 06:10:49 <Navimaster> oh
Dec 29 06:11:15 <Navimaster> some apps work great with portrait mode
Dec 29 06:11:18 <Navimaster> some dont
Dec 29 06:11:26 <mouser-> Landscape is what you usually see on the tablets.
Dec 29 06:14:27 <Navimaster> man canola works great on portrait mode
Dec 29 06:14:53 <Navimaster> except you cant search for anything because of the screwed up keyboard
Dec 29 06:15:12 <Navimaster> I'm gonna try it with Xkbd.
Dec 29 06:42:48 <Vulcanis> hmm, does anyone know how to fix the shitty dpad scroll?
Dec 29 06:42:59 <Vulcanis> on the n800, dunno if 810 has it
Dec 29 06:46:03 <mouser-> Is anyone here using EasyDebian?  I'm encountering an error installing it.
Dec 29 06:48:20 <mouser-> Specifically, it seems to happen when extracting the TAR file (which is only 314MB), reporting a possible out of space error.  I have downloaded it twice and increased the size of the partition, but still get the error.
Dec 29 06:55:25 <Vulcanis> are you sure you're doing it to the right mmc?
Dec 29 06:56:13 <mouser-> On the N810: The internal MMC has 0% free, the external has 3.2G free before the download.
Dec 29 06:56:55 <Vulcanis> hm
Dec 29 06:57:04 <Vulcanis> try clicking the /other/ button than you expect
Dec 29 06:57:11 <mouser-> Vulcanis: Yes, as the internal SD doesn't have enough space to put the file.
Dec 29 06:57:12 <Vulcanis> it might be like fsdisk where it somehow confuses the two
Dec 29 06:57:28 <Vulcanis> no, I mean, it might say mmc1 and go to mmc2
Dec 29 06:58:04 <mouser-> I'll try that, but right now I'm shooting the tar over to the desktop to see if it's corrupted.
Dec 29 06:58:15 <mouser-> It's about 1/3 copied.
Dec 29 06:59:26 <mouser-> I did see an error in the console when it executed the tar command:  "invalid option -j"
Dec 29 07:01:09 <pupnik> console on tablet or PC?
Dec 29 07:01:42 <mouser-> pupnik: Console, or rather Xterm, on the tablet
Dec 29 07:02:24 <pupnik> i've had problems with default 'tar'
Dec 29 07:02:34 <pupnik> j is for bz2 compression
Dec 29 07:03:27 <mouser-> pupnik: I'm just using the installer that came with EasyDebian.
Dec 29 07:04:00 <pupnik> well i have no idea what this is about
Dec 29 07:04:23 <mouser-> What EasyDebian is?
Dec 29 07:04:25 <pupnik> maybe you can install to a partition on miniSD
Dec 29 07:04:26 <pupnik> yeah
Dec 29 07:04:34 <pupnik> from a card reader on the pc
Dec 29 07:04:45 <pupnik> and boot to it with a multi-boot loader (fanoush's)
Dec 29 07:06:20 <mouser-> No, it's a Debian image that is loaded on top of OS2008/Maemo's UI.  It's not like Deblet, where it is more like a dual-boot.  Here is the topic on ITT: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24272
Dec 29 07:08:07 <mouser-> The exact error message tar outputs is : "tar: invalid option -- j"
Dec 29 07:14:39 <mouser-> Vulcanis, pupnik: I have copied to the desktop successfully, and there are no errors in the tar.
Dec 29 07:15:49 <Vulcanis> then put it on the mmc
Dec 29 07:15:54 <Vulcanis> and run the debian chroot and it shoudl work
Dec 29 07:20:22 <mouser-> Vulcanis: Thanks, doing that now.
Dec 29 07:36:44 <aquatix> morning all
Dec 29 07:37:11 <mouser-> morning aquatix
Dec 29 07:45:50 <ScreaminIke> you guys have been SUPER helpful so far, and i'm not trying to push my luck, but... anyone know how to get my bt kbd to type in dvorak? it's the last obstacle between me and deving on this.
Dec 29 07:49:50 <ScreaminIke> ...
Dec 29 07:55:33 <aquatix> ScreaminIke: i gather you have a qwerty bt kb?
Dec 29 07:55:48 <aquatix> do you use dvorak on linux?
Dec 29 07:57:21 <aquatix> ScreaminIke: heh, at least there's a dvorak on-screen kb - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukeyboard/
Dec 29 07:58:42 <aquatix> ScreaminIke: oh, this might be helpful: http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2006-10/msg00096.html
Dec 29 08:08:27 <MaceN800> hi
Dec 29 08:13:19 <Stskeeps> morn
Dec 29 08:21:25 <aquatix> ScreaminIke: there's a keyboard map in that link ^
Dec 29 08:26:00 <RST38h> ehlo all
Dec 29 08:54:24 <RST38h> lcuk: how are things?
Dec 29 08:58:23 <zevolo> hi, question about alsa in maemo.  it seems there is some limit to playback buffer to 1024 (can't snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_min()  more than 1024 ), where is code for the limitation? could it change to bigger?
Dec 29 08:59:46 <timeless> zevolo: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident?i=snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_min ?
Dec 29 09:00:31 <zevolo> o, timeless, thanks you. i will study it
Dec 29 09:00:57 * timeless wonders what zevolo's native language is
Dec 29 09:01:22 * timeless should be able to guess ... but having just woken up can't
Dec 29 09:07:20 <zevolo> o, timeless, i have found the code, but i can't get the answer directly.
Dec 29 09:07:27 <zevolo>  snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_min(snd_pcm_t *pcm, snd_pcm_hw_params_t *params, snd_pcm_uframes_t *val)
Dec 29 09:07:28 <zevolo> snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(pcm, params, SND_TRY, SND_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE, &_val, NULL);
Dec 29 09:07:28 <zevolo> _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(params, var, *val, dir ? *dir : 0);
Dec 29 09:07:48 <timeless> um
Dec 29 09:08:05 <zevolo>      427         if (hw_is_mask(var))
Dec 29 09:08:05 <zevolo>     428                 changed = snd_mask_refine_min(hw_param_mask(params, var), val + !!openmin);
Dec 29 09:08:05 <zevolo>     429         else if (hw_is_interval(var))
Dec 29 09:08:05 <zevolo>     430                 changed = snd_interval_refine_min(hw_param_interval(params, var), val, openmin);
Dec 29 09:08:32 <zevolo> now in the _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(), I don't know which branch will be invoked
Dec 29 09:12:10 <timeless> 4966 int snd_pcm_hw_params_set_buffer_size_min(snd_pcm_t *pcm, snd_pcm_hw_params_t *params, snd_pcm_uframes_t *val)
Dec 29 09:12:15 <timeless> 4969         int err = snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(pcm, params, SND_TRY, SND_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE, &_val, NULL);
Dec 29 09:12:26 <timeless> 446 int snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(snd_pcm_t *pcm, snd_pcm_hw_params_t *params,
Dec 29 09:12:26 <timeless> 447                              snd_set_mode_t mode,
Dec 29 09:12:27 <timeless> 448                              snd_pcm_hw_param_t var, unsigned int *val, int *dir)
Dec 29 09:12:37 <timeless> 466         err = _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(params, var, *val, dir ? *dir : 0);
Dec 29 09:12:47 <timeless> 412 int _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min(snd_pcm_hw_params_t *params,
Dec 29 09:12:48 <timeless> 413                               snd_pcm_hw_param_t var, unsigned int val, int dir)
Dec 29 09:12:59 <timeless> 427         if (hw_is_mask(var))
Dec 29 09:13:03 <timeless> hw_is_mask is a link
Dec 29 09:13:16 <timeless> var came from the second arg to _snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min
Dec 29 09:13:27 <timeless> which came from the 4th arg to snd_pcm_hw_param_set_min
Dec 29 09:13:43 <Stskeeps> morning RST38h
Dec 29 09:13:44 <timeless> which came from 4969 SND_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE
Dec 29 09:13:54 <timeless> you can click on SND_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE and you can click on hw_is_mask
Dec 29 09:14:02 <timeless> line 314 -- #defineSNDRV_PCM_HW_PARAM_BUFFER_SIZE((__force snd_pcm_hw_param_t) 17) /* Size of buffer in frames */
Dec 29 09:14:10 <timeless> ends up being the answer to one of them
Dec 29 09:14:24 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/alsa-lib-1.0.14sa/src/pcm/pcm_params.c#65
Dec 29 09:14:28 <timeless> ends up answering the other
Dec 29 09:14:34 <timeless> you really don't need anyone else
Dec 29 09:14:42 <timeless> although you do need to be willing to click and think a bit
Dec 29 09:15:03 <timeless> (not much thinking required, some clicking necessary)
Dec 29 09:15:41 <zevolo> ok, thanks you timeless
Dec 29 09:15:54 <timeless> otoh, i'm glad to see you followed a couple of links
Dec 29 09:15:56 <timeless> that's a good start :)
Dec 29 09:33:29 <RST38h> moo, Sts, qwerty
Dec 29 09:33:50 <qwerty12> hi RST38h
Dec 29 09:41:19 * RST38h installed Chrome and run it for the first time, then quit it immediately in horror
Dec 29 09:41:28 <aquatix> hehe
Dec 29 09:41:32 <aquatix> that bad?
Dec 29 09:41:35 <RST38h> No, NOT what you think
Dec 29 09:41:50 <aquatix> it took your IE homepage?
Dec 29 09:41:51 <Stskeeps> goatse.cx as initial homepage?
Dec 29 09:41:55 <RST38h> The browser is cool. But I seem to have forgotten with AdBlock-free web looks nowadays
Dec 29 09:41:55 <aquatix> heheheh
Dec 29 09:41:59 <aquatix> hahaha
Dec 29 09:42:01 <aquatix> yeah :(
Dec 29 09:42:05 <aquatix> that's horrible indeed
Dec 29 09:42:10 * qwerty12 *hates* chrome. crashes like shit, not much in features and like RST38h said, no adblock
Dec 29 09:42:31 <RST38h> Fucking shit...30+% of just about any page is taken by blinking, rotating, flashing, jumping crap
Dec 29 09:42:41 <aquatix> RST38h: yep
Dec 29 09:42:54 <aquatix> how people can put up with that is a mystery for me
Dec 29 09:42:56 <RST38h> Is THAT supposed to make me buy something or what?
Dec 29 09:43:20 <aquatix> i guess
Dec 29 09:43:23 <aquatix> not helping
Dec 29 09:43:31 <qwerty12> RST38h, ah, not you but they could be targeting the people who respond to scams by email
Dec 29 09:43:40 <RST38h> Or is it some shady plan to make internet users epileptic?
Dec 29 09:43:51 <aquatix> i think the latter even
Dec 29 09:48:24 <Stskeeps> RST38h: hypnosis of the masses
Dec 29 09:50:45 <RST38h> Sts: Be drug addicts.
Dec 29 09:50:53 <RST38h> sorry, "by drug addicts" =)
Dec 29 09:51:19 <qwerty12> Anyone know why dbus-monitor hangs on the tablets? Effin annoying.
Dec 29 09:51:39 <RST38h> iTT posters are still installing WinMobile on N810...
Dec 29 09:52:10 <Stskeeps> people are that desperate for PIM? :P
Dec 29 09:52:54 <RST38h> Sts: or maybe they are desperate for a 800x480 WinMobile device...
Dec 29 09:53:07 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 29 09:53:13 <RST38h> qwerty: Two possible causes: 1) it does not hang but is waiting for a message to monitor
Dec 29 09:53:40 <RST38h> qwerty: Or 2) Something happened in mid-message so that dbus-monitor never received it to the end
Dec 29 09:53:59 <RST38h> So it is basically waiting for that message to end
Dec 29 09:54:10 <qwerty12> RST38h, sounds right, but it should listen to my Ctrl+c ffs! :)
Dec 29 09:54:42 <X-Fade> Morning.
Dec 29 09:54:48 <Stskeeps> morning, X-Fade
Dec 29 10:03:12 <RST38h> qwerty: You do not really know where it is waiting though ;)
Dec 29 10:03:24 <RST38h> May be inside a kernel call or something
Dec 29 10:04:52 <qwerty12> RST38h, yep, I have no idea what it is waiting on but when I've found the right dbus message that I wanted to see, I would like to press ctrl-c. But Ctrl-Z and then killall -9 dbus-monitor seems to be working too :)
Dec 29 10:08:59 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 29 10:29:18 * RST38h found a way around annoying web ads that does not involve adblock ;)
Dec 29 10:29:36 <qwerty12> hosts? :)
Dec 29 10:31:42 <RST38h> qwerty: No! Bookmark the mobile version of the page :)
Dec 29 10:32:07 <qwerty12> Hehe, plus setting font to 16pt? :P
Dec 29 10:34:42 <RST38h> naah, the font is fine in most cases
Dec 29 10:35:24 <qwerty12> :)
Dec 29 11:24:59 * Stskeeps sits by idly waiting for a mer image to bake.
Dec 29 11:27:49 <RST38h> "Over the past 30 years, however, research in comparative neuroanatomy clearly has shown that complex brains  and sophisticated cognition  have evolved from simpler brains multiple times independently in separate lineages"
Dec 29 11:27:55 <RST38h> (it must be a virus!)
Dec 29 11:28:23 <RST38h> or a parasite.
Dec 29 11:30:21 <crashanddie> qwerty12, seen Doctor Who a few days ago?
Dec 29 11:30:47 <qwerty12> crashanddie, are you deliberately trying to get me to vomit? :)
Dec 29 11:31:00 <crashanddie> don't like Doctor Who?
Dec 29 11:31:23 <qwerty12> nope :)
Dec 29 11:31:29 <tekojo> Stskeeps: mer image, cool!
Dec 29 11:31:47 <crashanddie> qwerty12, meh
Dec 29 11:31:52 <RST38h> qwerty: KILL THE DOCTOR!
Dec 29 11:32:13 <qwerty12> RST38h, yessir
Dec 29 11:33:32 <qwerty12> crashanddie, "2008-10-27 (Monday):* qwerty12 shoves David Tennant in the retardis and pisses on the retardis and sets fire to it	15:07" - should make my feelings clear :)
Dec 29 11:33:57 <crashanddie> qwerty12, why don't you like it?
Dec 29 11:34:12 <crashanddie> I mean, not liking a show is one thing, but you're like having a personal grudge against it
Dec 29 11:34:59 <qwerty12> You seem to be intent on making me like it :) but no, I couldn't see the appeal of the show personally
Dec 29 11:35:55 <crashanddie> fair enough
Dec 29 11:36:06 <crashanddie> but don't insult the actors just because it doesn't appeal to you then ;)
Dec 29 11:36:45 <qwerty12> Yeah, a bit too much but fun at the time :)
Dec 29 11:36:49 <RST38h> crash <-- appears to be really insulted now
Dec 29 11:36:56 <RST38h> in his best feelings, no doubt
Dec 29 11:37:12 <RST38h> qwerty: So, not even any of the original doctors? =)
Dec 29 11:37:19 <qwerty12> hah
Dec 29 11:38:31 <qwerty12> Nope, don't think I was around when the original one aired
Dec 29 11:38:53 <crashanddie> qwerty12, you realise Doctor Who is the oldest show on TV right?
Dec 29 11:39:14 <crashanddie> There's been 10 different doctors before David Tennant
Dec 29 11:39:39 <crashanddie> actually, how old are you?
Dec 29 11:39:41 <qwerty12> Didn't know that (but then again, Dr. Who isn't my favourite trivia subject) :)
Dec 29 11:39:45 <qwerty12> crashanddie, 16
Dec 29 11:39:52 <crashanddie> so you were born in 92?
Dec 29 11:39:57 <qwerty12> yep
Dec 29 11:39:59 <crashanddie> hmm
Dec 29 11:40:03 <RST38h> [state-of-factly] too young.
Dec 29 11:40:24 <crashanddie> there was a doctor who movie that aired in 94 or 96 and which was quite below standards imho
Dec 29 11:40:54 <crashanddie> it could be that you've been damaged by this flick as a small toddler
Dec 29 11:41:16 <crashanddie> tell your parents they should return you for full exchange, you were damaged during the warranty period
Dec 29 11:42:09 * Jaffa liked the clips of the previous 9 in _The Next Doctor_
Dec 29 11:42:18 <RST38h> crash: If you mean the one where the Doctor arrives to the States and is killed in the first 10 seconds of a movie, it was nto bad
Dec 29 11:42:20 <qwerty12> crashanddie, hah, bs
Dec 29 11:42:36 <RST38h> s/nto/not
Dec 29 11:42:51 <crashanddie> RST38h, yup, that one
Dec 29 11:43:04 <crashanddie> RST38h, I have it, I just don't like it as much as the series
Dec 29 11:43:36 <crashanddie> "Dr Who's most deadly enemies, the Daleks, have taken time off from taking over the universe to star in a porn film. Despite only being equipped with plungers, the croaky-voiced evildoers have been cast in an 18-rated film alongside three naked "disco babes""
Dec 29 11:43:41 <RST38h> Series also had its ups and downs
Dec 29 11:46:08 <crashanddie> RST38h, sure
Dec 29 11:47:09 <crashanddie> RST38h, but the whole plot was a bit dodgy and just too hollywoodish
Dec 29 11:47:53 <crashanddie> RST38h, Paul McCann was hardly appealing as a Doctor, and the Master looked like he belonged in a Dracula flick
Dec 29 11:56:16 <crashanddie> qwerty12, this one should make you laugh then ;) http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8118/11005xd0.png
Dec 29 11:57:01 <qwerty12> crashanddie, you know me too well :P
Dec 29 11:57:15 <RST38h> crash: The original master also belonged to a dracula flick
Dec 29 11:58:48 <crashanddie> yeah well, if you're gonna make a movie, please make the fuck sure your casting director isn't an idiot, and that the props/make up department remember which movie they're working on
Dec 29 12:03:49 <aquatix> crashanddie: omg
Dec 29 12:04:05 <aquatix> rule 34 on Daleks
Dec 29 12:04:37 <crashanddie> aquatix, sure
Dec 29 12:04:45 <crashanddie> aquatix, there's actually a porn flick with daleks
Dec 29 12:04:59 <aquatix> i don't want to know
Dec 29 12:05:14 <BULLE> hehe, dalek pr0n
Dec 29 12:05:22 <qwerty12> crashanddie wanks to it every night
Dec 29 12:05:43 <aquatix> qwerty12: the goggles, they do nothing
Dec 29 12:05:49 <qwerty12> ha
Dec 29 12:06:01 * aquatix quits this room ;)
Dec 29 12:06:10 <crashanddie> Well, last night I learned a few good tips about sonic screwdrivers and quantum disbalance, and in the process nearly ripped my cock off
Dec 29 12:06:23 <RST38h> Do we have to know about it?
Dec 29 12:06:34 <aquatix> crashanddie: tmi :P
Dec 29 12:07:28 <qwerty12> crashanddie, the screwdriver was big enough to actually touch that area?
Dec 29 12:07:45 <aquatix> seriously guys
Dec 29 12:07:46 <aquatix> :)
Dec 29 12:07:56 <aquatix> don't spoil that series for me
Dec 29 12:08:18 <crashanddie> aquatix, oh you're going to feel dirty next time you see the Doctor using his sonic screwdriver
Dec 29 12:08:29 <crashanddie> :D :D :D
Dec 29 12:08:46 <aquatix> thankfully he has female companions
Dec 29 12:08:47 <aquatix> `but can it do...' `yes'
Dec 29 12:09:07 <crashanddie> aquatix, you seen the christmas special?
Dec 29 12:09:12 <RST38h> but he never does it to them
Dec 29 12:09:20 <crashanddie> your previous statement is actually quite wrong ;)
Dec 29 12:09:22 <aquatix> crashanddie: the one from this christmas? not yet
Dec 29 12:09:30 <aquatix> crashanddie: ah :)
Dec 29 12:09:43 <crashanddie> aquatix, and don't forget his history with Jack Harkness
Dec 29 12:09:49 <crashanddie> or future
Dec 29 12:09:51 * aquatix missed it because of not being home then
Dec 29 12:09:55 <aquatix> crashanddie: oh lol
Dec 29 12:10:24 <crashanddie> The Doctor is a man of science who does not discriminate between men and women
Dec 29 12:10:25 <aquatix> butbutbut, that cute curly-haired woman then? :)
Dec 29 12:10:32 <aquatix> :)
Dec 29 12:10:36 <aquatix> neither does Jack
Dec 29 12:10:36 <crashanddie> it's just that women gives better audience
Dec 29 12:10:47 * aquatix didn't watch torchwood yet btw
Dec 29 12:10:49 <crashanddie> s/gives/give/
Dec 29 12:10:50 <infobot> crashanddie meant: it's just that women give better audience
Dec 29 12:10:57 <crashanddie> it's not bad at all, I quite like it
Dec 29 12:11:04 * aquatix has downloaded it
Dec 29 12:11:06 <crashanddie> it takes some time to get used to Gwen's face
Dec 29 12:11:17 <crashanddie> cuz at first you think she's butt-ugly
Dec 29 12:11:23 <aquatix> i did see all of doctor who, except for the special this week
Dec 29 12:11:27 <crashanddie> and then as the episodes go by she starts being prettier and prettier
Dec 29 12:11:44 <aquatix> ah :)
Dec 29 12:11:47 <crashanddie> and it's funny if you watch Merlin, cuz she plays in that too
Dec 29 12:12:46 <aquatix> heh
Dec 29 12:12:52 <aquatix> didn't watch that one yet
Dec 29 12:13:00 <aquatix> i heard it's nice though
Dec 29 12:13:21 <aquatix> http://blog.newsok.com/nerdage/files/2008/01/myles.jpg <- whoa, huge pic
Dec 29 12:41:30 <Stslaptop> wb
Dec 29 12:41:40 <qwerty12_N800> thanks
Dec 29 12:42:57 * Stslaptop waits for 0.1 to unpack so he cacn test it
Dec 29 13:06:49 <Andy80> hi
Dec 29 13:13:56 <solmumaha> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=253183&postcount=112
Dec 29 13:18:22 <alterego> Okay, that's osso done. Now for libconic.
Dec 29 13:31:01 <lcuk> balls i cant make xchat look right, it lost its config settings and now im screwed cos you all look alien and foreign
Dec 29 13:31:52 <GAN8001> o_o
Dec 29 13:32:00 <qwerty12_N800> because your on windows :P
Dec 29 13:32:11 <qwerty12_N800> s/your/you're/
Dec 29 13:32:11 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: because you're on windows :P
Dec 29 13:32:22 <lcuk> same effect would occur in linux you southern pipsqueek
Dec 29 13:32:35 <qwerty12_N800> yeah yeah...
Dec 29 13:32:37 <lcuk> lol
Dec 29 13:32:40 <lcuk> good mornin
Dec 29 13:32:49 <lcuk> it looks wrong
Dec 29 13:32:49 <qwerty12_N800> afternoon lcuk :)
Dec 29 13:32:59 <lcuk> its like after ive been to opticians
Dec 29 13:33:31 <lcuk> well i was up at 8am this mornin but it was too early so i collapsed again
Dec 29 13:34:21 <lcuk> ahhhh, lucida console 10
Dec 29 13:34:42 <qwerty12_N800> heh I couldn't bring myself to focus @ the tablet's screen at 6:30am and stopped the alarm by removing the battery
Dec 29 13:35:09 <lcuk> you had an alarm set ?
Dec 29 13:35:23 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, I always have one set :)
Dec 29 13:35:55 <qwerty12_N800> (don't always get up though at the time which my alarm is set for...)
Dec 29 13:47:45 <Stslaptop> alterego: osso, libconic.. what are you doing? ruby bindings?
Dec 29 13:47:57 <alterego> Stslaptop: yes.
Dec 29 13:47:59 <Stslaptop> ah
Dec 29 13:48:01 <alterego> They're done now. Just packaging them.
Dec 29 13:48:08 <Stskeeps> sounds interesting
Dec 29 13:48:50 <pupnik_> awesome is more like it
Dec 29 13:48:53 <alterego> :)
Dec 29 13:48:57 <alterego> Hey pupnik_!
Dec 29 13:49:05 * Stskeeps is bored and reading old logs of #maemo
Dec 29 13:49:07 <pupnik_> salaam alterego
Dec 29 13:49:33 <alterego> I've been pretty busy over the past couple of days pupnik_ ;)
Dec 29 13:50:03 <solmumaha> Stskeeps: do some translating for me, that will kill an hour or so :)
Dec 29 13:50:10 <alterego> Next is publishing hildon-desktop for desktop plugins. Just gonna clean up the source and add it to my new super-duper build/packaging system.
Dec 29 13:50:36 <Stskeeps> solmumaha: well i'm waiting for a debootstrap :P and what translations?
Dec 29 13:50:48 <alterego> But that is tomorrow, today I'm going to go into town and chillax.
Dec 29 13:51:30 <alterego> I think I just need one more heart!
Dec 29 13:51:33 * Stskeeps is trying to catch as much Mer work before newyears 
Dec 29 13:51:34 <solmumaha> Stskeeps: 15:17 < solmumaha> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=253183&postcount=112
Dec 29 13:51:39 <alterego> Wait, 3 should do it ..
Dec 29 13:52:01 <lcuk> Stskeeps, dont believe a word of it
Dec 29 13:52:20 <Stskeeps> "Knots"?
Dec 29 13:52:50 <solmumaha> http://nakkiboso.com/knots/
Dec 29 13:54:08 <alterego> Okay, uploading libconic and libosso now.
Dec 29 13:55:10 <orifice> I just finished setting up booting off the internal SD on my n810, but the external SD isn't mounted at boot now.  Does it need to be in a specific format ?
Dec 29 13:55:41 <Stskeeps> solmumaha: i wonder if there's a poedit/yaml/etc editor thing for maemo
Dec 29 13:55:48 <Stskeeps> that could be interesting, translate on the go
Dec 29 13:55:53 <Stskeeps> (.. for n810 users)
Dec 29 13:56:07 <solmumaha> you only need a text editor for my app :)
Dec 29 13:56:43 <solmumaha> it's just key: value
Dec 29 13:56:45 <pupnik_> maemo.org login
Dec 29 13:56:47 <pupnik_> Server Error // Object does not exist
Dec 29 13:56:47 <pupnik_> Error 500 // maemo.org
Dec 29 13:56:47 <pupnik_> Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:55:26 +0200
Dec 29 13:56:47 <pupnik_> Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch11 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Midgard/8.09.2
Dec 29 13:56:54 <pupnik_> timeless: ping
Dec 29 13:57:09 <Stskeeps> heh
Dec 29 13:57:15 <qwerty12_N800> See if X-Fade is around?
Dec 29 13:57:17 <Stskeeps> maemo.org is -really- falling apart now isn't it? :P
Dec 29 13:57:26 <Stskeeps> (during holidays)
Dec 29 13:57:56 <Stskeeps> but i guess it's just murphys law manifesting itself
Dec 29 13:58:22 <pupnik_> maybe God is telling me that I have more important things to do
Dec 29 13:58:25 <pupnik_> bbl..
Dec 29 13:58:26 <alterego> solmumaha: osso and conic are now online :)
Dec 29 13:59:02 <solmumaha> and it works!
Dec 29 13:59:14 <alterego> ;)
Dec 29 13:59:20 <alterego> what does?
Dec 29 13:59:34 * alterego doesn't know if _anything_ /works/ :)
Dec 29 13:59:50 <solmumaha> knots does
Dec 29 14:00:14 <solmumaha> thank you!
Dec 29 14:02:11 <lcuk> knots does not not work?
Dec 29 14:02:54 <solmumaha> that too
Dec 29 14:03:13 <orifice> does maemo use fstab to do automounting of the mmc cards ?
Dec 29 14:03:36 <Stskeeps> no, ke-recv
Dec 29 14:06:33 <orifice> On boot, I get a complaint the the memory card is corrupted, but I'm able to mount it manually (external mmc on n810)
Dec 29 14:07:01 <orifice> I'm not sure where I should be looking to fix this
Dec 29 14:07:35 <MaceN800> hi
Dec 29 14:07:42 <Stskeeps> it will say it's corrupted if it cannot mount the first partition of the MMC as FAT
Dec 29 14:09:14 <MaceN800> xchat isnt too bad
Dec 29 14:09:31 <qwerty12_N800> xchat is the shit :)
Dec 29 14:09:42 <MaceN800> heh
Dec 29 14:10:05 <MaceN800> i think the last time i used it was like 7 yrs ago
Dec 29 14:10:07 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, you love the xchat
Dec 29 14:10:30 <MaceN800> it's gotten better
Dec 29 14:10:30 <orifice> Stskeeps: will this prevent mounting of the rest of the mmc as anything else ?
Dec 29 14:10:34 <alterego> So solmumaha the new packages are working fine for you?
Dec 29 14:10:35 <orifice> (automatically)
Dec 29 14:10:48 <MaceN800> works pretty good on n800
Dec 29 14:11:15 <solmumaha> alterego: yes, need to some more testing, but seems to work perfectly so far
Dec 29 14:11:17 <MaceN800> although i dont know how you're supposed copy/paste txt
Dec 29 14:11:20 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, for sure, I used to use mirc in windows before I had a tablet & when I saw xchat on the tablets, I immediately uninstalled mirc :)
Dec 29 14:11:26 <alterego> Awesome
Dec 29 14:11:47 <orifice> pidgin works as a pretty good irc client as well if you're using other protocols
Dec 29 14:11:52 <qwerty12_N800> MaceN800, to copy, highlight text. to paste, use the option on the soft keyboard
Dec 29 14:12:10 <qwerty12_N800> pidgin + irc don't mix imo
Dec 29 14:12:10 <MaceN800> oh
Dec 29 14:12:21 <MaceN800> i hate pidgin
Dec 29 14:12:31 <alterego> I doubt I'll get extras access until the new year though. Which is a bit of a pain.
Dec 29 14:12:33 <orifice> what kind of problems did you have ?
Dec 29 14:12:43 <alterego> Still, it'll give me something new to blog about when it does happen ^_^
Dec 29 14:12:45 <orifice> It's a bit of a hog, but I've never had any complaints
Dec 29 14:13:05 <MaceN800> as far as maemo goes.. i like sticking to the stock stuff whenever possible
Dec 29 14:13:23 <alterego> Yeah, shame rtcomm is buggered ..
Dec 29 14:13:29 <qwerty12_N800> The interface never suited me re irc and i used emesene for msn anyway :/
Dec 29 14:13:31 <orifice> yeah ...
Dec 29 14:13:49 <solmumaha> alterego: i'm in no hurry, gives me time to prepare
Dec 29 14:14:07 <MaceN800> modest got better
Dec 29 14:14:14 <MaceN800> less buggy
Dec 29 14:14:42 <MaceN800> claws works a little better w/ imap tho
Dec 29 14:15:36 <MaceN800> why doesnt modest map the sent folder to the imap server instead of keeping them locally?
Dec 29 14:15:46 <Stskeeps> cos it's modest.
Dec 29 14:15:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 29 14:15:52 <MaceN800> haha
Dec 29 14:16:23 <MaceN800> it's not too bad anymore.. claws is still better tho
Dec 29 14:17:33 <MaceN800> most of the stock stuff isnt too bad
Dec 29 14:17:52 <MaceN800> wish cups was integrated into maemo tho
Dec 29 14:18:20 <MaceN800> and wish there were office apps that didnnt suck
Dec 29 14:19:37 * Stskeeps is waiting on a very slow imager.
Dec 29 14:19:49 <svaemo> Hi maemo folks. Iam having trouble to set up a proxy setting. I found the tab for setting up a proxy (http://wiki.maemo.org/Ad_blocking#Privoxy) but the connection doesnt work. Browser just says the connection stucks. Empty document. Accessing the proxy from another webbrowser in the net works though. Iam running out of ideas.
Dec 29 14:20:39 <svaemo> Iam trying to set up a "external" proxy running on the local internet router.
Dec 29 14:24:23 <pupnik_> i've used privoxy but not from a tablet
Dec 29 14:25:36 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, bug #3373 is calling you :)
Dec 29 14:25:42 <svaemo> i neeeeeed some kind of ad and script blocking. i want privoxy for this, i tried adblock plus but it makes microb crash and is too slow
Dec 29 14:26:46 <qwerty12_N800> you should use a hosts file + a usercontent.css. brontide has a deb which will get the hosts file for you and clean it up and a usercontent.css pack
Dec 29 14:28:01 <alterego> Right, I'm off out into the town to do some shopping and stuff. Later folks.
Dec 29 14:28:20 <qwerty12_N800> Bye :)
Dec 29 14:28:43 <solmumaha> bye
Dec 29 14:29:13 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: looking at it
Dec 29 14:29:50 <qwerty12_N800> can't see why it's being held back anyway :/
Dec 29 14:32:08 * RST38h wonders.
Dec 29 14:34:58 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: added comment
Dec 29 14:35:03 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: you should weigh in too
Dec 29 14:35:07 <Stskeeps> with technical experiences
Dec 29 14:35:55 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, I'll do so when I'm behind a keyboard :)
Dec 29 14:36:46 <svaemo> hmm, the local privoxy proxy works. the external proxy server not. :-/
Dec 29 14:38:47 <pupnik_> mhm
Dec 29 14:39:21 <svaemo> i tried with nmap. the port is reachable
Dec 29 14:40:35 <svaemo> now having a privoxy is good at all
Dec 29 14:43:14 <svaemo> thanks and bye
Dec 29 14:51:40 <lcuk> does anyone know how to get ntpd to actually update the clock on maemo (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openntpd/)   it runs but constantly tells me i'm 90 seconds out of sync
Dec 29 14:51:51 <lcuk> i cant get it to actually fix the problem
Dec 29 14:52:14 <woglinde> hm there is this liblocation thing
Dec 29 14:52:44 <qwerty12_N800> It's supposed to run automatically but I think someone suggested ''ntpd -s"
Dec 29 14:53:32 <Jaffa> ntp clients on Linux won't change the clock at all if it's too far out.
Dec 29 14:53:44 <lcuk> liqbase building now, please wait
Dec 29 14:53:45 <lcuk> make: Warning: File `vcell_easyrun.c' has modification time 86 s in the future
Dec 29 14:53:53 <qwerty12_N800> rdate was a lot less hassle though, wonder how hard it would be to get it to use alarmd...
Dec 29 14:54:05 <zakkm> lcuk: date 20081227  ?
Dec 29 14:54:12 <lcuk> ive synced with server from windows, ive synced with server apparantly in maemo
Dec 29 14:54:38 <zakkm> date 200812271254 i think ?
Dec 29 14:54:40 <lcuk> zakkm, i *used* to do the date syncing manually but now i have more than 2 machiens its inpractical
Dec 29 14:54:44 <lcuk> i just want them all on the same time
Dec 29 14:54:44 <woglinde> lcuk run ntpdate
Dec 29 14:54:49 <woglinde> once
Dec 29 14:54:53 <zakkm> oh no idea then :)
Dec 29 14:54:56 <Jaffa> Having an ntp sync from alarmd every night would be cool, and combine that with the update-on-gps-fix
Dec 29 14:54:56 <lcuk> not found in maemo
Dec 29 14:55:43 <lcuk> ntpdate is correctly telling me i am 96 seconds off sync
Dec 29 14:55:50 <lcuk> but the damned thing wont cure the problem
Dec 29 14:56:00 <zakkm> ntp using a bad server?
Dec 29 14:56:01 <woglinde> lcuk it will
Dec 29 14:56:03 <woglinde> but slowly
Dec 29 14:56:25 <lcuk> zakkm, its not a bad server cos it knows its 96 seconds wrong - thats the adjustment it needs to make
Dec 29 14:56:44 <aquatix> doesn't ntpdate make the adjustment at once?
Dec 29 14:56:46 <aquatix> does here
Dec 29 14:56:49 <lcuk> woglinde, what do you mean "slowly" ?
Dec 29 14:56:55 <aquatix> lcuk: it trains in
Dec 29 14:57:07 <aquatix> well, ntpd should do so
Dec 29 14:57:08 <woglinde> lcuk ntpd synchronizes the diff over a slowly timeslot
Dec 29 14:57:19 <lcuk> ok
Dec 29 14:57:21 <qwerty12_N800> are we talking about openntpd or ntpdate?
Dec 29 14:57:29 <zakkm> ntpdate i believe
Dec 29 14:57:31 <lcuk> so if i manually set it once perfectly it should stay around about right
Dec 29 14:57:33 <woglinde> lcuk otherwise you would have problems with database
Dec 29 14:57:38 <woglinde> s
Dec 29 14:57:43 <aquatix> ntpdate should set the date/time at once iirc
Dec 29 14:57:46 <aquatix> does here :/
Dec 29 14:58:08 <woglinde> jepp
Dec 29 14:58:13 <woglinde> thats what ntpdate is for
Dec 29 14:58:13 <aquatix> lcuk: ntpdate on boot, then let ntpd do the rest indeed :)
Dec 29 14:58:25 <aquatix> default setting on debian i think
Dec 29 14:58:29 <lcuk> ntpdate not found
Dec 29 14:58:36 <lcuk> this is maemo country
Dec 29 14:58:43 <lcuk> thar be dragons
Dec 29 14:58:49 * aquatix has ntpd on his tablet
Dec 29 14:58:56 <qwerty12_N800> ntpdate & openntpd & ntpd are all in extras
Dec 29 14:58:58 <lcuk> how, How, HOW!
Dec 29 14:59:00 * zakkm wants mer on his tablet
Dec 29 14:59:01 <woglinde> where the hack is liblocation this side speaks of
Dec 29 14:59:02 <woglinde> http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node10.html#SECTION001027100000000000000
Dec 29 14:59:04 <lcuk> mmm
Dec 29 14:59:55 <qwerty12_N800> woglinde, it's one of nokia closed source stuff, look in the maemo_4.1.1 folder in your scratchbox's home
Dec 29 15:00:34 <woglinde> qwerty ah thanks
Dec 29 15:00:44 <lcuk> mmm my app manager has scary "failed to refresh" marks against all the extras repos
Dec 29 15:00:57 <lcuk> that might explain why it couldnt find it
Dec 29 15:01:23 <woglinde> qerty whats the quickqay to install it
Dec 29 15:02:04 <qwerty12_N800> woglinde, that folder should have been configured as apt repo so apt-get install I guess
Dec 29 15:03:54 <woglinde> hm
Dec 29 15:07:04 <rjelari> hi
Dec 29 15:07:05 <woglinde> hm seems I havent installed
Dec 29 15:07:13 <woglinde> the nokia bin
Dec 29 15:14:58 <rjelari> i tried installing maemo 5  pre-alpha SDK, and  compiled hildon file manager.  I  m struck  with the following error while running check_test program  lt-check_test[23245]: GLIB WARNING ** GConf - Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon
Dec 29 15:16:07 <rjelari> [newbiew]  could someone help me out!
Dec 29 15:16:21 <zakkm> i would but i dont know maemo sdk :(
Dec 29 15:16:21 <woglinde> rjelari newbie -> pre-alpha SDK
Dec 29 15:16:31 <woglinde> thats not a good combination
Dec 29 15:16:40 <lcuk> newbies should not be examining sdks
Dec 29 15:16:50 <lcuk> should they?
Dec 29 15:16:53 <disco_stu> zakkm, hi buddy
Dec 29 15:16:54 * lcuk is a newbie
Dec 29 15:16:59 <zakkm> hey disco_stu
Dec 29 15:17:01 <rjelari> ;)
Dec 29 15:17:20 <qwerty12_N800> rjelari, tried running wit
Dec 29 15:17:22 <lcuk> rjelari, have you tried to build stuff in the normal diablo sdk
Dec 29 15:17:31 <qwerty12_N800> h run-standalone.sh?
Dec 29 15:17:34 <lcuk> the one we know works
Dec 29 15:18:10 <rjelari> tried long back.
Dec 29 15:18:21 <woglinde> args what was the way to install the nokia bin apps afterwards?
Dec 29 15:19:19 * lcuk never tried to build the nokia stuff
Dec 29 15:20:27 <rjelari> the common error what i get while i run gconftool-2 is this   GLIB WARNING ** GConf - Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
Dec 29 15:20:28 <rjelari> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.  No D-BUS daemon running
Dec 29 15:20:48 <qwerty12_N800> woglinde, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.2.sh iirc
Dec 29 15:21:12 <woglinde> qwerty12_N800 hm yes I examine the maemo-sdk-installer.sh now
Dec 29 15:21:40 <lcuk> rjelari, have you checked to see if the dbus daemon is running and is accessible to your apps
Dec 29 15:22:50 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: I have changed my mind. Tear would be good browser for Mer. :P
Dec 29 15:22:50 <rjelari> lcuk,   it is running: i did ps -elf and got  the following entry : 5 S 108       5118     1  0  80   0 -   750 poll   10:36 ?        00:01:08 /bin/dbus-daemon --system
Dec 29 15:23:20 <woglinde> qwerty thanks
Dec 29 15:28:35 <lcuk> rjelari, how did you install the sdk, did you use the instructions here http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_prealpha_main/
Dec 29 15:29:02 <rjelari> lcuk,  i followed the same instruction.
Dec 29 15:30:22 <crashanddie> I love it when people are surprised the prealpha doesn't work...
Dec 29 15:31:00 <woglinde> crashanddie jepp
Dec 29 15:31:14 <lcuk> the thing is, there was someone in 2007 with similar error ;)
Dec 29 15:31:20 <lcuk> google says so anyway
Dec 29 15:31:27 <disco_stu> lol
Dec 29 15:31:37 <woglinde> crashdandie but hopefully rjelari is not from india
Dec 29 15:31:52 <rjelari> ;)
Dec 29 15:32:09 <lcuk> it was down to not following the install guide and installing the sdk incompletely and the user not being registered properly, but im not technical enough to decipher it all and map it to rjs problem
Dec 29 15:32:47 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: why?
Dec 29 15:32:48 <lcuk> sorry rj, the sdk installed fine for me, but that was a clean ubuntu and following to the letter
Dec 29 15:33:04 <lcuk> wandering off the path at any point wouldv caused me to drive to london and get qwerty to install it for me
Dec 29 15:33:24 <Stskeeps> rjelari: the SDK lacks a window manager :P
Dec 29 15:33:30 <Stskeeps> at least, when running with af-sb-init
Dec 29 15:33:49 <lcuk> afternoon crashanddie :)
Dec 29 15:34:29 <Stskeeps> it is, pre-alpha, and no direct indication of the final OS :P
Dec 29 15:34:32 <lcuk> oooer, tracy is stuck in traffic jam at the retail park, its gridlock and folks are getting irate they cant use their xmas vouchers
Dec 29 15:35:43 <Stskeeps> yeah.. it's really gridlock outside too
Dec 29 15:36:02 <Stskeeps> our car had a minor breakin during xmas. sucks. they bent one of the door frames, unsuccessfully
Dec 29 15:36:12 <lcuk> bastards
Dec 29 15:36:20 <lcuk> last year we had someone nick one of our wheels
Dec 29 15:36:39 <lcuk> they were disturbed, and left their peugeot specific spanner and jack
Dec 29 15:36:53 <lcuk> i have no idea how they actually got the replacement wheel on the car
Dec 29 15:36:53 <rjelari> Stskeeps,  yes, i  run match box explictly.
Dec 29 15:38:18 <disco_stu> i have a peugeot :)
Dec 29 15:38:33 <lcuk> i had 2 jacks and spanners for mine :)
Dec 29 15:38:35 <rjelari> lcuk,  i forgot to mention that when u run mactchbox window manager  it exists with error root window unavailable.!
Dec 29 15:38:59 <disco_stu> mine is 206 and my fathers a 407
Dec 29 15:39:02 <lcuk> i smiled everytime i opened the boot, even though the new wheel cost me, i was pleased the toerags never got home that night
Dec 29 15:39:14 <b1ackdeath> has any one tryed to monitor a n810 with nagios?
Dec 29 15:40:18 <lcuk> rjelari, still meaningless to me unfortunately, i dont have technical skills to solve your dilemma :$ i dont like dev in scratchbox at the best of times and do everything i can directly on the device
Dec 29 15:40:25 <Stskeeps> b1ackdeath: might be difficult with PSM active..
Dec 29 15:40:40 <Stskeeps> b-man: progress?
Dec 29 15:41:00 <rjelari> Ok.. me, look into that then!.. thanks
Dec 29 15:41:07 <b1ackdeath> jw cuz i though it would be neet , and i already have a server running nagios =p
Dec 29 15:41:26 <b-man> Sapwood server, hal, and gconf faild to start at boot
Dec 29 15:41:41 <Stskeeps> b-man: hmm
Dec 29 15:41:42 <b-man> with the new image
Dec 29 15:41:48 <disco_stu> whats sapwood for?
Dec 29 15:41:53 <zakkm> anyone know why mediabox wont play youtube
Dec 29 15:41:55 <Stskeeps> b-man: how do you unpack it?
Dec 29 15:41:57 <zakkm> it adds it fine, searches and all
Dec 29 15:42:05 <zakkm> but when i click video it wont play
Dec 29 15:42:08 <Stskeeps> (can you give me a ls -lR of the /mnt/mer partition?)
Dec 29 15:42:11 <zakkm> and play button doesnt work
Dec 29 15:42:19 <Stskeeps> or just ls -l /mnt/mer :P
Dec 29 15:42:32 <Stskeeps> sounds like a permissions problem really
Dec 29 15:42:37 <disco_stu> mediabox after the updates is shiit
Dec 29 15:42:45 <b-man> hold on....
Dec 29 15:43:57 <zakkm> disco_stu: you know how to get youtube to play?
Dec 29 15:45:43 <disco_stu> zakkm, no
Dec 29 15:46:00 <b-man> 32577 var; 162881 usr; 97729 tmp; 309473 sbin; 146593 root; 390913 proc; 81441 mnt; 12 mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.tar.gz; 11 lost+found; 13 linuxrc; 179169 lib; 407201 home; 130305 etc; 244321 dev; 195457 boot; 423489 bin
Dec 29 15:46:02 <zakkm> It looks so good if only it would work :)
Dec 29 15:46:05 <disco_stu> it doesnt say youtube in any place
Dec 29 15:47:02 <disco_stu> zakkm, the last update makes it look better but now its usability is shit
Dec 29 15:48:28 <zakkm> haha
Dec 29 15:48:33 <b-man> @Stskeeps; i used tar -zxf
Dec 29 15:48:35 <zakkm> its a extra download in extras
Dec 29 15:48:42 <zakkm> mediabox-youtube-plugin is the package i believe
Dec 29 15:49:16 <zakkm> anybody have a lower pt gktrc for plankton?
Dec 29 15:50:08 <r2d2rogers> greetings
Dec 29 15:54:44 <Stskeeps> b-man: i'm more interested in the usernames
Dec 29 15:54:53 <Stskeeps> and permissions
Dec 29 15:55:05 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: lo, had a good xmas? no sapwood news but i'm continuing the saga :P
Dec 29 15:56:14 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: very good, Wii and Dr. Horrible....   sounds good, mainly wanted to check in
Dec 29 15:56:37 <zakkm> what you guys use for youtube watching on tablet?
Dec 29 15:56:43 <Stskeeps> mytube? :P
Dec 29 15:56:57 <woglinde> I dont watch youtube on the tablet
Dec 29 15:57:31 <zakkm> Stskeeps: what size pt do you use for mer?
Dec 29 15:57:51 <Stskeeps> zakkm: plankton standard theme. pretty things are something i'm not good at
Dec 29 15:58:12 <zakkm> ddi you change pt size?
Dec 29 15:58:40 <Stskeeps> nop
Dec 29 15:58:45 <zakkm> dang
Dec 29 15:58:45 <b-man> Stskeeps; thay all have root user/root grup permissions
Dec 29 15:59:00 <zakkm> i want a lower pt size plankton gtkrc
Dec 29 15:59:15 <qwerty12> It's not hard to find numbers and change them ;)
Dec 29 15:59:46 <Stskeeps> b-man: hmm
Dec 29 15:59:51 <Stskeeps> b-man: tar --version
Dec 29 16:00:12 <Stskeeps> is it busybox or the gnu tar?
Dec 29 16:00:19 <zakkm> vi sucks though on n800
Dec 29 16:00:25 <zakkm> and then i tried ssh but that uhh didnt go well
Dec 29 16:00:45 <disco_stu> zakkm, you get use to it
Dec 29 16:00:52 <qwerty12> Open an sftp connection using gnome vfs or sshfs and use your favourite editor on the computer
Dec 29 16:01:33 <zakkm> also im a nano guy and for some reason no repo has nano?
Dec 29 16:01:36 <zakkm> nano.*
Dec 29 16:01:48 <Stskeeps> port it?
Dec 29 16:01:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 29 16:02:00 <qwerty12> Nano has a nice feature where it will quit with a SIGSEGV when searching
Dec 29 16:02:04 <Stskeeps> ah.
Dec 29 16:02:21 <b-man> @Stskeeps; it doesn't tell me, it only tells me the busybox version, i think i shuld have used GNU tar. :p
Dec 29 16:02:37 <Stskeeps> b-man: yeah, good to know it screws up. extras has gnutar i think
Dec 29 16:04:35 <zakkm> stskeeps: is there a easy way to make mytube change to 16:9/16:10?
Dec 29 16:04:50 <Stskeeps> zakkm: noclue
Dec 29 16:04:53 <qwerty12> Anyone built anything that requires perl in sbox btw? I've set SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl and PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH and it uses the maemo perl but xchat still fails on building perl plugin saying it cannot find -lperl584
Dec 29 16:05:01 <b-man> i'll try with that and let you know how it gos ;)
Dec 29 16:05:38 <disco_stu> zakkm, tried youtube with mediabox and works flawless
Dec 29 16:06:12 <Stskeeps> b-man: alright, i have a new image for you, s ec
Dec 29 16:06:42 <b-man> k
Dec 29 16:06:53 <Stskeeps> or not.. hmm
Dec 29 16:06:55 * lcuk releases 10,000 angry fire-ants into the chan
Dec 29 16:06:55 <zakkm> disco_stu: when i click play, it clicks.. but the video doesnt play
Dec 29 16:06:59 <Stskeeps> the wireless is messing me up a bit
Dec 29 16:07:05 <b-man> hehe
Dec 29 16:07:25 <disco_stu> zakkm, it started playing after 3 seconds
Dec 29 16:07:54 <zakkm> it shows requesting video
Dec 29 16:07:57 <zakkm> for like a second
Dec 29 16:08:03 <zakkm> and have the right thumbnails on left side
Dec 29 16:08:06 <zakkm> and name at top
Dec 29 16:08:14 <zakkm> but its just a black screen. .and play button does nothing
Dec 29 16:15:07 <zakkm> would vi /usr/share/themes/plankton/gtk-2.0/gtkrc work?
Dec 29 16:15:13 <zakkm> it doesnt seem to replace text / delete text
Dec 29 16:15:17 <zakkm> screen just refreshes
Dec 29 16:15:32 <qwerty12> You in insert mode?
Dec 29 16:16:42 <zakkm> no idea, just going to use leafpad i guess ;p
Dec 29 16:16:45 <zakkm> never used vi much
Dec 29 16:17:01 <zakkm> font_name = "Nokia Sans 12"       = 12pt?
Dec 29 16:24:16 <lcuk> here http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG
Dec 29 16:24:19 <lcuk> crap
Dec 29 16:24:46 <qwerty12> Heh, nice
Dec 29 16:25:00 <b-man> wow
Dec 29 16:25:03 <lcuk> lol not really, wrong window
Dec 29 16:25:29 * timeless sighs
Dec 29 16:25:32 * timeless is reading 630 again
Dec 29 16:25:38 * timeless clearly isn't subscribed
Dec 29 16:26:47 <lcuk> qwerty12, but it works well.  now i have a 100% x86 port of the released version i am making sure the newer classes work under it - ie rebuilding cleanly using the new core classes ive been working on
Dec 29 16:27:19 <qwerty12> lcuk, sounds good. how's clutter going for you?
Dec 29 16:27:48 <lcuk> :) clutter is missing one essential thing... i have to learn opengl more than i have to learn clutter
Dec 29 16:27:54 <andre__> sigh
Dec 29 16:28:03 <lcuk> it doesnt have line primatives
Dec 29 16:28:03 <woglinde> lcuk hehe
Dec 29 16:28:11 <lcuk> so i have to go under clutter itself to get it
Dec 29 16:28:19 <qwerty12> :/
Dec 29 16:28:23 <lcuk> the actor class looks nice
Dec 29 16:28:47 <lcuk> i still have to implement my own kinetics and text handling in clutter
Dec 29 16:28:55 <woglinde> hm what tv is this?
Dec 29 16:28:56 <lcuk> its just a game engine
Dec 29 16:29:11 <lcuk> its my lenovo touchscreen tablet pc thingy
Dec 29 16:29:20 <woglinde> hm ah
Dec 29 16:29:35 <orifice> ugh, I have my external card formatted to FAT and it's still coming up as corrupted (when booting from internal SD) on n810
Dec 29 16:29:52 <qwerty12> lcuk, btw, are both x86 & tablet using lucida console font?
Dec 29 16:29:55 <lcuk> i feel like a midget using it - its like a big n810, its got a stylus in same location and everything
Dec 29 16:30:25 <lcuk> nomis, tablet uses nokia sans, the big pc uses lucon from dev folder for now
Dec 29 16:30:37 <lcuk> nomis, damn autocomplete
Dec 29 16:30:41 <lcuk> eh?
Dec 29 16:30:48 <woglinde> *g*
Dec 29 16:30:55 <lcuk> nomis, this is odd
Dec 29 16:30:59 <lcuk> ffffffffffs
Dec 29 16:31:18 <lcuk> no, is this working
Dec 29 16:31:22 <lcuk> thats better
Dec 29 16:31:22 <orifice> I can mount it manually though and it's fine ....
Dec 29 16:31:50 <orifice> under what other conditions would the external mmc be seen as 'corrupted' ?
Dec 29 16:34:55 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, added my 2c to #3373
Dec 29 16:35:15 <StsN800> ta
Dec 29 16:35:18 <qwerty12> wb btw
Dec 29 16:35:42 <StsN800> server stalled :grr:
Dec 29 16:35:59 <b-man> that sucks..
Dec 29 16:37:11 <StsN800> so have to go out in the cold
Dec 29 16:37:21 <b-man> oh
Dec 29 16:37:24 <qwerty12> :/
Dec 29 16:37:51 <StsN800> still active but i/o lockup
Dec 29 16:38:02 <b-man> hmm...
Dec 29 16:41:43 <StsN800> qwerty12, ++ on the comment
Dec 29 16:41:49 <qwerty12> :)
Dec 29 16:44:16 <zakkm> you guys use Garnet VM?
Dec 29 16:46:17 <b-man> i do... or i use to. ;p
Dec 29 16:46:56 <b-man> just uninstalled it.
Dec 29 16:48:04 <zakkm> b-man: Garnet VM?
Dec 29 16:48:16 <zakkm> can you install simcity on it? :) and normal palm apps?
Dec 29 16:48:47 <b-man> i have installed a fuew palm 5 apps..
Dec 29 16:48:58 <b-man> villagesim
Dec 29 16:49:07 <b-man> dosbox
Dec 29 16:49:26 <b-man> c++ software
Dec 29 16:49:38 <zakkm> ;o
Dec 29 16:49:49 <zakkm> i got some beta expired error while running :(
Dec 29 16:50:15 <b-man> try re-installing - that helped me
Dec 29 16:50:40 <zakkm> did you add a Garnet Repo or something
Dec 29 16:50:44 <zakkm> i found a old beta 2 deb that i used
Dec 29 16:51:20 <b-man> i went to tableteer and downloaded the latest deb
Dec 29 16:51:32 <b-man> it's a lot better
Dec 29 16:51:49 <zakkm> tableteer?
Dec 29 16:52:01 <zakkm> whats that
Dec 29 16:52:07 <b-man> ttp://tableteer.nokia.com/
Dec 29 16:52:18 <b-man> edit; http://tableteer.nokia.com/
Dec 29 16:52:38 <StsN800> i swear, sometimes i wish i had a hw watchdog on my server
Dec 29 16:53:10 <Meiz_n810> StsN800: (about the Tear) If it uses the latest webkit (or the one used by midori, it will display pages ok, The Tear i have tried on Diablo was annoying because it displayed web-pages strangely, exaple, itT was awful, almost every element on the page was transparent, in "Classic" theme, text was unreadable. But with same webkit engine that midori uses it would be as good as midori (maybe even better...)
Dec 29 16:53:31 <zakkm> b-man: cant see garnet ?
Dec 29 16:53:37 <b-man> @ zakkm; all sorts of software for the nit supported by Nokia
Dec 29 16:54:09 <StsN800> Meiz_n810, sounds interesting
Dec 29 16:54:12 <b-man> you need to go to the GVM website
Dec 29 16:54:16 <disco_stu> haze wont connect to msn.. someone knows why?
Dec 29 16:54:34 <zakkm> disco_stu: never worked for me ;p
Dec 29 16:54:39 <disco_stu> lol
Dec 29 16:54:42 <qwerty12> disco_stu, rtcomm?
Dec 29 16:54:48 <disco_stu> yes..
Dec 29 16:54:58 <disco_stu> msn wont connect
Dec 29 16:55:14 <disco_stu> iam
Dec 29 16:55:30 <disco_stu> stylus slip.. sorry
Dec 29 16:55:51 <qwerty12> disco_stu, qole says: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242139&postcount=31 which is true and it worked for me but it installs the the whorish pidgin-data package. I edited the deb so it wouldn't, let me find it
Dec 29 16:56:08 <b-man> zakkm: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/ - you need to delete the previous e-mail from them though.
Dec 29 16:57:03 <Meiz_n810> StsN800: indeed, i tried Tears engine with the default browser... transparent elements again..
Dec 29 16:57:15 <qwerty12> disco_stu, install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/libpurple0_2.4.3-1collabora1_armel.deb
Dec 29 16:57:48 <disco_stu> ok.. wont it conflict with pidgin?
Dec 29 16:58:03 <qwerty12> Could do, I don't have pidgin installed
Dec 29 16:58:11 <qwerty12> hence me using rtcomm :)
Dec 29 16:58:33 <disco_stu> pidgin is nicer
Dec 29 16:58:41 <qwerty12> pidgin is clunkier
Dec 29 16:58:41 <zakkm> does flasher require anything in linux?
Dec 29 16:58:49 <zakkm> on a new gentoo install and need to flash nokia
Dec 29 16:58:55 <StsN800> use -static
Dec 29 17:01:25 <woglinde> haha okay
Dec 29 17:01:39 <woglinde> the stolen sample app for enabling and disabling gpsd works
Dec 29 17:02:25 <zakkm> sweet 19min left of diablo download
Dec 29 17:02:43 <zakkm> just use maemo-services ? :P
Dec 29 17:02:48 <woglinde> zakkm what connection you have?
Dec 29 17:02:50 <zakkm> and disable from control panel
Dec 29 17:02:53 <zakkm> 120kb/s
Dec 29 17:03:06 <zakkm> its going right, just have slow internet
Dec 29 17:03:10 <qwerty12> zakkm, I think he means to actually activate gpsd, not start the service
Dec 29 17:03:13 <disco_stu> zakkm are you still using chinook?
Dec 29 17:03:20 <zakkm> no
Dec 29 17:03:24 <zakkm> the kernel and all is messed
Dec 29 17:03:24 <disco_stu> ok
Dec 29 17:03:44 <zakkm> using old 36-5 kernel on 43-7 install
Dec 29 17:03:49 <zakkm> its not booting right half the time
Dec 29 17:04:17 <disco_stu> get the last ssu
Dec 29 17:04:20 <woglinde> qwerty right only start gpsd
Dec 29 17:04:33 <woglinde> now I will try the my java midlet
Dec 29 17:04:55 <woglinde> re zakkm
Dec 29 17:05:01 <zakkm> thanks
Dec 29 17:05:06 <disco_stu> woglinde, java on maemo?
Dec 29 17:05:07 <zakkm> didnt realize that xterm was xchat ;p
Dec 29 17:08:45 <andre__> GeneralAntilles, I now fully agree with your 3-strike program proposal. sigh
Dec 29 17:08:55 <t_s_o> hmm?
Dec 29 17:09:44 <zakkm> http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/feat_fring.xhtml#top
Dec 29 17:09:47 <zakkm> fring works on the nits?
Dec 29 17:11:06 <timeless> HTTP ERROR: 404
Dec 29 17:11:06 <timeless>  Not Found
Dec 29 17:11:06 <timeless>    RequestURI=/mgp/events/770tableteer/os2008/feat_fring..xhtml
Dec 29 17:11:06 <timeless>    Powered by Jetty://
Dec 29 17:12:54 <aquatix> that's a . too many?
Dec 29 17:12:57 <aquatix> link works here
Dec 29 17:14:22 <zakkm> aquatix: are you installing it?
Dec 29 17:14:38 <aquatix> not at the moment
Dec 29 17:14:52 <aquatix> just dropped in here and thought i'd help out with the url :)
Dec 29 17:14:59 <zakkm> oh
Dec 29 17:15:04 <zakkm> wanted to know if voice chat works ;p
Dec 29 17:15:06 <zakkm> heh
Dec 29 17:15:06 * aquatix uses the build-in messenger
Dec 29 17:15:12 <zakkm> rtcomm?
Dec 29 17:15:18 <aquatix> with telepathy add-ons
Dec 29 17:15:19 <aquatix> yes
Dec 29 17:15:26 <zakkm> hate it for msn / aim
Dec 29 17:15:39 <zakkm> im in highschool still so you know i got like 100+ contacts on each
Dec 29 17:15:41 <aquatix> barely use IM on my tablet to be frank
Dec 29 17:15:44 <zakkm> and it takes maemo ages
Dec 29 17:15:49 <aquatix> that's true
Dec 29 17:15:56 <aquatix> it's quite slow with the contacts :/
Dec 29 17:16:07 <zakkm> its okay if they msg me though
Dec 29 17:16:14 <zakkm> but to see whos online takes awhile
Dec 29 17:16:29 <zakkm> so i just use it for google talk :p only have like 8 contacts XD
Dec 29 17:16:29 <aquatix> indeed
Dec 29 17:16:54 <aquatix> :)
Dec 29 17:17:03 * aquatix is behind a regular computer too much of his time
Dec 29 17:17:17 <zakkm> how old?
Dec 29 17:18:19 <aquatix> 26
Dec 29 17:18:40 * zakkm hates compile times
Dec 29 17:18:48 <aquatix> the pc i'm currently on is 2 weeks old ;)
Dec 29 17:18:52 * aquatix hugs his laptop
Dec 29 17:18:53 <zakkm> nice
Dec 29 17:18:56 <zakkm> ;o laptop
Dec 29 17:19:04 <zakkm> still only have a desktop
Dec 29 17:19:08 * aquatix has both
Dec 29 17:19:11 <zakkm> but nice 4gb ram, geforce 8500gt pci-e
Dec 29 17:19:20 <aquatix> ah, nice indeed
Dec 29 17:19:34 <zakkm> still only 17" 4;3 monitor though :(
Dec 29 17:19:42 <zakkm> been trying to sell it for $75 and buy a 22" :D
Dec 29 17:20:09 * aquatix better not tell what monitor he has
Dec 29 17:20:25 <zakkm> heh
Dec 29 17:20:31 <zakkm> dual 24" 's ? :P
Dec 29 17:20:37 <aquatix> nah, it's single
Dec 29 17:20:40 <aquatix> big enough
Dec 29 17:20:56 * aquatix mumbles something about compensating and 30" tft's
Dec 29 17:20:57 <zakkm> older though, im on a very low budget and im wayy above budget
Dec 29 17:21:04 <aquatix> heh, yep
Dec 29 17:21:26 <zakkm> i work for it yes, i work at a grocery store but its still alot of money
Dec 29 17:21:28 <aquatix> so better not compare with me :)
Dec 29 17:21:47 <zakkm> 30" .. too much for me
Dec 29 17:21:53 <zakkm> most i want is a 24" 1920x1200
Dec 29 17:21:55 * aquatix sunk some savings into a completely new pc earlier this year
Dec 29 17:22:01 <aquatix> was fed up with my ancient stuff
Dec 29 17:22:07 <aquatix> no, it's heaven actually
Dec 29 17:22:12 <zakkm> i tripleboot Mac OSX too so a 24" at HD would be nice ;p
Dec 29 17:22:14 <aquatix> 2560x1600 <3
Dec 29 17:22:19 <zakkm> lol
Dec 29 17:22:20 <zakkm> no way
Dec 29 17:22:28 <zakkm> couldnt do anything at that res
Dec 29 17:22:34 <zakkm> videocard couldnt take it ;p
Dec 29 17:22:48 <aquatix> dual-link dvi
Dec 29 17:22:53 <zakkm> im still on vga :(
Dec 29 17:23:35 <zakkm> whatsitcalled, my desk space couldnt do 30"
Dec 29 17:23:53 <zakkm> and thats wayy to big i just need 22" in a high resolution ;p
Dec 29 17:24:45 <woglinde> disco_stu yes java on maemo
Dec 29 17:24:48 <aquatix> yep, a tft doing 1920x1200 is really nice already
Dec 29 17:25:00 <zakkm> going to get a 1680x1050 22"
Dec 29 17:25:01 <zakkm> i think
Dec 29 17:25:10 * qwerty12 sighs heavily as he finishes applying a shitload of patches to xchat
Dec 29 17:25:12 <disco_stu> woglinde, how is it working?
Dec 29 17:25:20 <zakkm> most i could afford, and thats only if i sell my current one for $75.. and take more shifts at work ;p
Dec 29 17:25:42 <aquatix> zakkm: which one do you want?
Dec 29 17:25:52 <zakkm> specific monitor?
Dec 29 17:25:53 <aquatix> thankfully tft's aren't that expensive anymore
Dec 29 17:25:56 <aquatix> yeah
Dec 29 17:25:56 <zakkm> dont know
Dec 29 17:26:00 <aquatix> ah, k
Dec 29 17:26:00 <zakkm> heh
Dec 29 17:26:04 <zakkm> anything for my price range
Dec 29 17:26:07 <zakkm> that looks decent
Dec 29 17:26:21 <zakkm> i saw this BenQ .. very beautifullll 22" 1920x1080 for $239.99
Dec 29 17:26:26 <zakkm> (canadian)
Dec 29 17:26:36 <zakkm> i want one for like $169.99 XD
Dec 29 17:27:07 <zakkm> that way if i sell my current for $75.. it wont be that much of a upgrade
Dec 29 17:27:10 <zakkm> price wise
Dec 29 17:27:41 <woglinde> disco_stu hm works okay I guess
Dec 29 17:27:52 <woglinde> disco_stu don you know the jalimo website?
Dec 29 17:28:18 <disco_stu> woglinde, yes..
Dec 29 17:28:22 <woglinde> one of my goal is it to get stuff in devel extra
Dec 29 17:28:30 <woglinde> but its hen-egg problem
Dec 29 17:28:32 <disco_stu> visited it some time ago
Dec 29 17:28:53 <woglinde> in oe we have a selfboostrap path for it
Dec 29 17:28:58 <woglinde> bootstrap
Dec 29 17:29:09 <zakkm> dang
Dec 29 17:29:12 <disco_stu> has java swing support?
Dec 29 17:29:21 <zakkm> why does my nokia only boot to like 10% progress bar and then reboot
Dec 29 17:29:26 <zakkm> i just reflashed with kernel only
Dec 29 17:29:29 <woglinde> but unfornatly on scratchbox cacao-initial segfaults wit qemu
Dec 29 17:29:37 <woglinde> disco_stu we have swt hildonized
Dec 29 17:29:59 <disco_stu> nice..
Dec 29 17:30:06 <woglinde> no need for swt
Dec 29 17:30:13 <disco_stu> i need to try that
Dec 29 17:30:20 <woglinde> hehe yeah
Dec 29 17:30:30 <zakkm> is --flash-only=initfs   safe?
Dec 29 17:33:40 <disco_stu> woglinde, so you are using jalimo, right?
Dec 29 17:33:52 <disco_stu> i'll install that
Dec 29 17:33:57 <zakkm> is --flash-only=nolo   safe?
Dec 29 17:34:41 <disco_stu> zakkm, that should last less thhan a second
Dec 29 17:34:50 <woglinde> disco stu yes
Dec 29 17:34:51 <zakkm> is it safe thoguh?
Dec 29 17:34:57 <disco_stu> wont be that risky
Dec 29 17:35:01 <woglinde> but jalimo is not an app
Dec 29 17:35:06 <woglinde> only a synonym
Dec 29 17:35:33 <disco_stu> right
Dec 29 17:36:33 <disco_stu> qwerty12, thanks for the deb, it works now (haze)
Dec 29 17:36:41 <qwerty12> np
Dec 29 17:37:02 <disco_stu> qwerty12, you are a genius
Dec 29 17:37:06 <qwerty12> it's qole who figured it out anyway, but installing pidgin-data sucked
Dec 29 17:37:15 <lcuk> hey disco_stu hows your search for the perfect dj studio going
Dec 29 17:37:56 <disco_stu> lcuk, havent started yet. i had a big exam few days ago
Dec 29 17:38:10 <zakkm> qwerty12: about to try that deb soon :D heh
Dec 29 17:38:18 <qwerty12> hehe :)
Dec 29 17:38:22 <zakkm> uninstalling pidgin, installing collabora now
Dec 29 17:38:23 <lcuk> ahhh how do you think you did
Dec 29 17:38:26 <zakkm> the repository
Dec 29 17:38:51 <disco_stu> lcuk, was oral.. i did very good
Dec 29 17:38:58 <lcuk> excellent
Dec 29 17:39:11 <disco_stu> the subject was numeric analisys
Dec 29 17:39:21 <disco_stu> a bit boring..
Dec 29 17:39:31 <lcuk> heh, that sounds like having to do oral examin binary
Dec 29 17:39:50 <lcuk> "one one zero one zero zero one one one"
Dec 29 17:40:39 <disco_stu> lol.. professor gives you problems and you need to solve them with numeric methods
Dec 29 17:41:53 <disco_stu> a bit closer to become an engineer
Dec 29 17:41:56 <zakkm> disco_stu: going into music studio career?
Dec 29 17:41:58 <Mousey> disco_stu: serato or finalscratch =)
Dec 29 17:42:18 <disco_stu> zakkm, no, software enginering
Dec 29 17:42:33 <disco_stu> (bad spelling)
Dec 29 17:43:37 <zakkm> omg theres dopewars in extras-devel :D
Dec 29 17:43:37 <b-man> welcome back
Dec 29 17:44:00 <zakkm> qwerty12_N800: thankss :)!
Dec 29 17:44:05 <qwerty12> zakkm, it's a dodgy version I quickly put in there :/
Dec 29 17:44:05 <zakkm> byebye pidgin :)
Dec 29 17:44:16 <zakkm> ah it doesnt matter, im no dev
Dec 29 17:44:25 <zakkm> as long as it works, and decent speeds
Dec 29 17:44:29 <qwerty12> I would have liked to hildonize the rest but it all fucks up when I include hildon headers :/
Dec 29 17:44:35 <andre__> anybody knows where's content like http://maemo.org/community/bugs_and_features/ exactly in the SVN tree?
Dec 29 17:44:46 <zakkm> did they change it for fremantle?
Dec 29 17:44:48 <zakkm> hildonizing?
Dec 29 17:45:11 <disco_stuN800> qwerty12, the deb killed pidgin
Dec 29 17:45:23 <disco_stuN800> it segfaults now
Dec 29 17:45:34 <zakkm> rtcom-beta-os2008 2.4-1  right?
Dec 29 17:45:48 <zakkm> what the
Dec 29 17:46:02 <zakkm> isnt collabora the rtcomm repo?
Dec 29 17:46:09 <qwerty12> disco_stuN800, I don't use pidgin :/. If you want pidgin back, you can do apt-get install --reinstall libpurple0 but rtcomm isn't going to work
Dec 29 17:46:27 <disco_stuN800> i know
Dec 29 17:46:49 <zakkm> qwerty12: whats the rtcomm repo?
Dec 29 17:46:54 <zakkm> ohh right
Dec 29 17:46:58 <zakkm> red pill method -.-
Dec 29 17:54:39 * Stskeeps ponders idly
Dec 29 17:55:00 <Stskeeps> was rjelari just in here having trouble with the pre-alpha sdk? :P
Dec 29 17:55:22 <Jaffa> Interesting hint from qgil: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23413&goto=newpost
Dec 29 17:56:16 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: yes/no.. he mentioned that people didn't pay attention to the things actually released
Dec 29 17:56:33 <Stskeeps> like, it wasn't being used for actual development, etc
Dec 29 17:56:59 <Stskeeps> .. which may be explained by the fact they dont actually start a window manager in the usual af-sb-init workcycle..
Dec 29 17:57:48 <Stskeeps> (i have personally trawled through all the directories of the repository..)
Dec 29 17:58:27 <Jaffa> Yeah, well - presumably upstream platform hackers already know what's in their upstream code bases and don't care too much
Dec 29 17:58:58 * Jaffa must remember to get GAN8001 to have on the next meeting agenda whether or not the bi-weekly releases are going to materialise.
Dec 29 18:01:03 <Stskeeps> seems like qgil did some wiki changes related to that
Dec 29 18:01:46 <Jaffa> URL?
Dec 29 18:03:01 <Stskeeps> or not, - just the objective on release often and .. such
Dec 29 18:03:11 <Stskeeps> recentchanges is a daily site for me to check :P
Dec 29 18:04:12 <Stskeeps> wb qwerty12_N800
Dec 29 18:04:48 <qwerty12_> thanks, seeing if this xchat build will segfault after a min :)
Dec 29 18:04:49 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I used to
Dec 29 18:36:25 <GAN800> Sooo, who wants to set hendrik straight on -users? :/
Dec 29 18:43:46 <GAN800> qgil's had some questionable bug resolutions the last couple days. :\
Dec 29 18:44:02 <andre__> GAN800, if you do please also tell hendrik to fix his date settings
Dec 29 18:44:47 <andre__> i get mail from the future. scary :-P
Dec 29 18:44:59 <andre__> examples of questionable ones?
Dec 29 18:47:58 <GAN800> andre__, minimum brightness, the automatic connection
Dec 29 18:48:14 <GAN800> 3xxx and 12xx :P
Dec 29 18:48:17 <andre__> hehe
Dec 29 18:48:21 <GAN800> Work, lunch, tablet.
Dec 29 18:48:41 <GAN800> Should be in a recent changes search from the past two days
Dec 29 18:49:06 <andre__> yeah i have them in mind
Dec 29 18:50:37 <GAN800> Ehehe, "BECAUSE YOU'RE BRIGHT ENOUGH TO FIGURE IT OUT"? :P
Dec 29 18:50:59 <andre__> i liked that one. but unfortunately my crystal ball was broken :-P
Dec 29 18:51:34 <andre__> i mean: the guy mixes up java and JS.
Dec 29 18:51:49 <andre__> that's already.... hard.
Dec 29 18:52:49 <aquatix> andre__: :)
Dec 29 18:54:04 <pupnik_> am I the only person, for whom setting the N810 on a table is vastly helpful in getting a GPS fix?
Dec 29 18:54:49 <andre__> demolishing the roof worked fine for me to get GPS finally working.
Dec 29 18:54:51 <Robot101> pupnik_: it gets a better GPS fix when the device is upright
Dec 29 18:55:05 <Robot101> the antenna points up, when the screen faces forwards
Dec 29 18:55:11 <Robot101> for when it's mounted in the car mount, I think
Dec 29 18:55:29 <pupnik_> yeah facing up 'seems' to be better for me
Dec 29 18:55:32 <Robot101> but if you're holding it flat and your head's in the way, forget it :)
Dec 29 18:55:38 <pupnik_> it has turned into something of a black art
Dec 29 18:55:52 <Robot101> the AGPS beta thingy makes it actually work
Dec 29 18:56:23 <Robot101> because it's an AGPS chip so getting the almanac via your phone helps a lot :D
Dec 29 18:56:33 <lcuk> we get a good lock on the gps when its wedged into the cd slot on the stereo in the car, when tracy has it on her knee i think the 810 gets distracted and doesnt wanna lock
Dec 29 18:58:10 <RST38h> lcuk: it works but requires a ssssacrifice!
Dec 29 18:58:56 <lcuk> fine, but you are cleaning the blood out of the car
Dec 29 18:59:11 <RST38h> hehe
Dec 29 18:59:11 <pupnik_> hahaha
Dec 29 18:59:24 <pupnik_> cd-slot - i use that too :P
Dec 29 18:59:37 <lcuk> it nicely fits the stand in and holds it at right place
Dec 29 19:03:31 * pupnik_ points to maemo.org 
Dec 29 19:03:54 <pupnik_> <cough>
Dec 29 19:04:11 <crashanddie> Hmm, I love the smell of irony in the evening
Dec 29 19:07:47 <lcuk> crashanddie, yeah, it means your girlfriend was up before you
Dec 29 19:08:27 <crashanddie> lcuk, you know why women smile as they walk down the aisle?
Dec 29 19:09:05 <lcuk> gfi
Dec 29 19:09:15 <crashanddie> cuz they know it's the last blowjob they'll ever give
Dec 29 19:09:45 <lcuk> luckily it isnt the last blowjob a bloke will get
Dec 29 19:11:21 <crashanddie> depends
Dec 29 19:13:22 <woglinde> wah
Dec 29 19:39:31 <timeless> ping
Dec 29 19:39:43 <timeless> anyone here have a device they *haven't* updated to the latest version of the tablet os?
Dec 29 19:39:56 <crashanddie> which version would that be?
Dec 29 19:40:01 <timeless> not picky
Dec 29 19:40:08 <timeless> anything older than 2008.43-7
Dec 29 19:40:12 <timeless> older is better
Dec 29 19:42:09 <timeless> so 2008.18 or so would be nice :)
Dec 29 19:42:14 * timeless makes up a random number
Dec 29 19:42:26 <b-man> i have 2008.23-14
Dec 29 19:42:32 <timeless> i'll take that :)
Dec 29 19:42:50 <timeless> can you reproduce the bug?
Dec 29 20:12:54 <hellanio> maemo uses fstab?
Dec 29 20:15:07 * Mousey pimps n810s
Dec 29 20:19:10 <b-man> yes
Dec 29 21:00:06 <cjdavis1> I'm trying to make sense of the latest version of rtcomm and telepathy, but in particular get the facebook plugin for pidgin working
Dec 29 21:00:22 <cjdavis1> has anybody done so?
Dec 29 21:00:58 <Lamoto> !help
Dec 29 21:01:40 * RST38h found it delicious to debug embedded software while watching Reanimator
Dec 29 21:02:34 <RST38h> Now, where was that syringe...
Dec 29 21:04:28 <StsN800> hehe
Dec 29 21:06:11 <mouser-1> cjdavis1:  I didn't know it existed until now, but it looks interesting.
Dec 29 21:07:44 <cjdavis1> yes. it is built into the latest full pidgin install, that works fine, but I'm trying to use it as a plugin for libpurple so that telepathy will pick it up
Dec 29 21:09:30 <cjdavis1> there are spec. instructions http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/wiki/How_To_Install pointing to a bug entry at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17907 but it seems like they are using it with pidgin, not libpurple
Dec 29 21:10:14 <cjdavis1> well, no, they are specifically talking about telepathy. hmm
Dec 29 22:17:27 <alterego> I'm on the front page! :D
Dec 29 22:18:11 <qwerty12_N800> How could we not see  :p :D
Dec 29 22:18:22 <alterego> :)
Dec 29 22:18:32 <alterego> Yeah, that picture is a bit big ;)
Dec 29 22:21:50 * qwerty12_N800 is getting hooked into ruby after solmumaha convincing me :)  (thanks!). of course, I barely know any language so I'll have to grab docs & tuts
Dec 29 22:22:08 <alterego> :)
Dec 29 22:22:23 <alterego> I'm gonna work on some tutorials for ruby-maemo soon.
Dec 29 22:22:27 <alterego> Maybe this evening actually.
Dec 29 22:22:33 <qwerty12_N800> Wicked :)
Dec 29 22:38:36 <Stskeeps> b-man: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.3.tar.gz , more sane image :P 0.4 will come tomorrow
Dec 29 22:38:51 <Stskeeps> wifi drivers work
Dec 29 22:39:02 <b-man> cool :)
Dec 29 22:39:38 <alterego> A MER image?! :)
Dec 29 22:40:38 <Stskeeps> alterego: more like work in progress
Dec 29 22:40:52 <alterego> What does it do?
Dec 29 22:42:29 <alterego> s/does it/can it/ :)
Dec 29 22:42:59 <b-man> i also have made a fuew tweeks to the installer; advanced mode still has problems though) but i think i have gotten rid of most of the bugs in the easyinstaller.
Dec 29 22:44:03 <b-man> @ alterego; it's a ubuntu-based os for the nit's that uses maemo components
Dec 29 22:44:10 <Stskeeps> at this moment, with a proper bootmenu.d swearing, and holding down home button, selecting console mode or usb ethernet, and boots into a hildon desktop not unlike http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-loadadv.png , but without the background pic..
Dec 29 22:44:36 <Stskeeps> with maemo gtk, fremantle hildon components, etc
Dec 29 22:44:58 <Stskeeps> and wifi drivers, wpa supplicant support from /etc/network/interfaces
Dec 29 22:46:23 <Stskeeps> fitting in 123mb of flash, .. with a docpurge, probably
Dec 29 22:47:44 <Stskeeps> full core utils, etc :P
Dec 29 22:48:14 <alterego> Why not use ubuntu mobile? Or is this an attempt to keep properly inline with maemo?
Dec 29 22:50:00 <Stskeeps> alterego: mostly because the upstream of u-m is kinda dead (moblin 1, moblin 2 is using fedora..), there's active upstream development (maemo platform), and there seems to be quite a love with flash and clutter right now in u-m ..
Dec 29 22:50:11 <b-man> @alterego; http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed
Dec 29 22:50:33 <Stskeeps> alterego: there are benefits from being closer in implementation to maemo
Dec 29 22:50:52 <alterego> Sure, hopefully the software will continue to work :)
Dec 29 22:51:03 <alterego> Are you binary compatible?
Dec 29 22:51:08 <disco_stu> someone knows how to use maemo menu in apps developed with glade ?
Dec 29 22:51:19 <Stskeeps> i haven't checked recently honestly, alterego - but we are on API level
Dec 29 22:51:50 <alterego> scratchbox 2005q3? and the same libc version?
Dec 29 22:51:53 <Stskeeps> we should be
Dec 29 22:52:14 <alterego> Cool
Dec 29 22:52:19 <Stskeeps> alterego: nah. ubuntu current libc, (we do compile towards 2.8 instead of 2.9 though due to problems), and 2008q3
Dec 29 22:53:11 <Stskeeps> cs2008q3-72, to be exact
Dec 29 22:53:24 <Stskeeps> (http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide)
Dec 29 22:53:25 * lcuk flies like superman
Dec 29 22:53:47 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: should I stick with my process for right now for the 770?
Dec 29 22:54:11 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: which process?
Dec 29 22:54:11 <b-man> damn xserver - hold on, i need to reboot my tablet. :P
Dec 29 22:54:25 <r2d2rogers> the mer imager?
Dec 29 22:54:28 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 29 22:54:35 <lcuk> alterego, that ruby of yours is a neat little eye catcher, got anything a little ummm bigger perhaps?
Dec 29 22:54:42 <Stskeeps> yeah, for now - i will start making 770 images soon enough
Dec 29 22:54:48 <alterego> lcuk: :)
Dec 29 22:54:56 <lcuk> very striking
Dec 29 22:55:10 <alterego> lcuk: I found it in google search. I liked the look of it so I used it :)
Dec 29 22:55:11 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: sounds good, I need to push you some files I think
Dec 29 22:55:12 <lcuk> Stskeeps, how do i make multiple compiles from the same source at the same time
Dec 29 22:55:20 <disco_stu> yerga: ping
Dec 29 22:55:25 <lcuk> alterego, you are a magpie
Dec 29 22:55:30 <alterego> :P
Dec 29 22:55:51 <Stskeeps> lcuk: makefile magic? :P
Dec 29 22:55:56 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: *nod* same here
Dec 29 22:56:18 <lcuk> Stskeeps, im serious, without much messing i want to save edited source and build/run on 2 different systems
Dec 29 22:56:25 <lcuk> at the same time
Dec 29 22:56:50 <Stskeeps> lcuk: ssh? :P
Dec 29 22:56:50 <pupnik> shellscript - oneline
Dec 29 22:57:16 <r2d2rogers> lcuk: gobby?
Dec 29 22:57:19 <pupnik> ccp = cp $1 $3 && cp $2 $3
Dec 29 22:57:28 <pupnik> er
Dec 29 22:57:35 <pupnik> ccp = cp $1 $3 && cp $1 $2
Dec 29 22:57:49 <r2d2rogers> lcuk: something like http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ ?
Dec 29 22:58:20 <r2d2rogers> lcuk: nevermind.. way off base there
Dec 29 22:58:49 <lcuk> r2d2rogers, not really, theres only little old me editing at the moment, but i want to see and test on multiple machines, but some of the building is inside scratchbox (for further sending to device) and some is for running natively (directly on my tabletpc)
Dec 29 22:59:09 * lcuk is surrounded by LCD screens and i want latest app on all
Dec 29 22:59:12 <r2d2rogers> lcuk: yup, sorry I didn't read clearly...
Dec 29 22:59:37 <lcuk> tis ok r2d2rogers :)
Dec 29 22:59:51 <lcuk> thanks for suggesting though, that might actually work for something else
Dec 29 22:59:59 <r2d2rogers> <G>
Dec 29 23:00:27 <lcuk> tbh though i dont think i need it tonight, ill just hack on one device
Dec 29 23:00:55 <lcuk> im also tempted to push the fixed x86 version (of 0.1.5) up to svn and have the newer stuff in a branch
Dec 29 23:01:33 <woglinde> hm
Dec 29 23:01:39 * qwerty12_N800 wouldn't mind testing the maemo version *cough*
Dec 29 23:01:41 <woglinde> anyone knows the status of git?
Dec 29 23:02:02 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, the maemo version has literally nothing to show, the entire api is in flux
Dec 29 23:02:19 <qwerty12_N800> I take that back :P
Dec 29 23:02:24 <timely> hello world
Dec 29 23:02:25 <lcuk> ive built the core classes but havent yet started creating the object tree instances for the apps
Dec 29 23:02:34 <timely> are there handy pictures of the maemo on screen keyboards?
Dec 29 23:02:35 <alterego> Hey timely
Dec 29 23:03:43 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, better to get a stable core before i push forward with the other stuff, i have literally 4 pre-defined instances of cell UI elements :) its very calming to know its going to be stable once complete
Dec 29 23:04:32 <lcuk> and i just watched superman returns :D (which was wicked)
Dec 29 23:04:48 <qwerty12_N800> heh, I didn't intend to sound like a prick  when I said that :D
Dec 29 23:05:18 <lcuk> what about everything else you say :P :D
Dec 29 23:05:43 <qwerty12_N800> oh yeah, then I do mean to be one :P
Dec 29 23:05:49 <lcuk> heh
Dec 29 23:05:58 <lcuk> :D
Dec 29 23:06:16 <pupnik> any of you guys tried 'knots' by solmumaha lately?
Dec 29 23:07:01 <qwerty_da_prick> Not lately but I found it great last time (and solmumaha was brilliant in helping me get vlc working)
Dec 29 23:08:32 * alterego compiles maemo5 packages.
Dec 29 23:09:00 <Stskeeps> alterego: for what/where? :P
Dec 29 23:09:22 <alterego> Just checking to see my riuby/maemo packages compile in the current SDK release ;)
Dec 29 23:09:25 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 29 23:09:36 <Stskeeps> hint, it doesn't start a window manager if you test :P
Dec 29 23:10:05 <alterego> Everything seems to be going well so far.
Dec 29 23:10:16 <alterego> ruby-core compiles and runs fine.
Dec 29 23:10:35 <alterego> Think I'll run the test suite now on all platforms and architectures.
Dec 29 23:11:21 <qwerty_da_prick> timely, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/temp/
Dec 29 23:23:56 <thopiekar> hi
Dec 29 23:26:42 <thopiekar> i have stored a file on svn in garage.maemo.org in the directionary '/www/esdk-inst/eclipse/release/eclipse-3.3-tar.gz, but i isn't even possible to download the file via http://esdk.garage.maemo.org/esdk-inst/eclipse/release/eclipse-3.3-tar.gz..
Dec 29 23:26:58 <thopiekar> have you any tipps to get it work?
Dec 29 23:28:02 <alterego> Oh dear .. I've lost some source code
Dec 29 23:28:11 <alterego> I could have sworn I checked that into subversion :(
Dec 29 23:28:15 <lcuk> have you checked behind the couch?
Dec 29 23:29:35 <lcuk> alterego, i should use svn more often, but people tend to faff and poke at the wrong bits (usually the piece im just about to rip out)
Dec 29 23:29:51 <alterego> Heh
Dec 29 23:30:51 <lcuk> git offers invitation only downloading doesnt it
Dec 29 23:31:34 <alterego> Crap, I'm going to have to rewrite it me thinks :(
Dec 29 23:31:46 <lcuk> oooer, something major?
Dec 29 23:32:01 <alterego> No, luckily it was quite a small library.
Dec 29 23:32:15 <lcuk> then this time you will write it better
Dec 29 23:32:17 <alterego> But it was quite major in functionality.
Dec 29 23:32:19 <lcuk> library you say?
Dec 29 23:32:37 <alterego> It was the bindings for hildon-desktop .. Made it possible to write desktop applets in ruby.
Dec 29 23:33:01 <alterego> Well, desktop applets, and plugin menus.
Dec 29 23:33:02 <lcuk> about as vital as cement then
Dec 29 23:33:08 <alterego> :)
Dec 29 23:33:30 <alterego> It's okay, it's a small piece of the eco system. Probably a little less than a days work :)
Dec 29 23:33:33 <lcuk> how could you lose something so major
Dec 29 23:33:58 <alterego> I never checked it into subversion and I can't remember what PC I was using to develop it with :/
Dec 29 23:34:13 <alterego> I've got a feeling it was an old laptop that I never backed up O_O
Dec 29 23:34:16 <lcuk> hummm yeah, having similar issues here
Dec 29 23:34:24 <woglinde> hehe
Dec 29 23:34:38 <lcuk> about time i got myself a dev server
Dec 29 23:35:48 <alterego> At least I have something to do in the morning now :D
Dec 29 23:37:12 <lcuk> heh
Dec 29 23:37:59 <lcuk> the only time so far ive actually lost code was when i mistakenly listed a .c into the makefile where it expected a .o   i ran a make clean and wondered why the source vanished
Dec 29 23:38:15 <qwerty_da_prick> :/
Dec 29 23:38:17 <alterego> Ooo, someone noticed my latest blog post. It was a nice "Hello, world!" style ruby-maemo app :)
Dec 29 23:38:32 <qwerty_da_prick> Yeah, saw it here too :D
Dec 29 23:39:03 <alterego> Eesh, that's nastu lcuk :)
Dec 29 23:39:15 <lcuk> i only did that once :)
Dec 29 23:39:20 <alterego> :)
Dec 29 23:39:32 <lcuk> quite a few times though i mangle code away from its intended view to test something else
Dec 29 23:39:38 <alterego> Maybe I'm a little odd. I create the build framework before the code :)
Dec 29 23:39:56 <lcuk> i have the framework i was adding a single source
Dec 29 23:40:09 <qwerty_da_prick> grr, tear is nice but not when it insists on flipping the gconf key to show gtk accels in the menu
Dec 29 23:40:10 <alterego> Oh, my build scripts do that automagically.
Dec 29 23:40:21 <alterego> Any .c file just gets compiled.
Dec 29 23:40:27 <lcuk> sometimes you dont want every source file building on every platform
Dec 29 23:40:38 <solmumaha> alterego: have you tried getting an icon to show up on taskbar?
Dec 29 23:40:46 <lcuk> or i might have created a variation of original with same api but different name
Dec 29 23:41:01 <thopiekar> can nobody tell me why it don't work?
Dec 29 23:41:08 <alterego> solmumaha: that's a .desktop file thing.
Dec 29 23:41:26 <alterego> You need to use libosso and create a .desktop file.
Dec 29 23:41:43 <solmumaha> i do have a desktop file and icons everywhere else
Dec 29 23:41:59 <alterego> solmumaha: okay, try setting the window icon.
Dec 29 23:42:22 <lcuk> alterego, how easy is it to add language bindings to a library?
Dec 29 23:42:53 <alterego> lcuk: generally pretty straight forward. Unless the library uses varargs. Then it gets pretty impossible O_o
Dec 29 23:43:13 <lcuk> only a couple of funcs do
Dec 29 23:43:19 <lcuk> so you cant varargs anything?
Dec 29 23:43:24 <alterego> No, not really.
Dec 29 23:43:27 <alterego> Not properly anyway.
Dec 29 23:43:41 <alterego> It's the nature of the ABI.
Dec 29 23:43:57 <lcuk> so how do oyu do printf type functions in ruby?
Dec 29 23:44:03 <alterego> If it was a null terminated array, it'd be fine. but varargs are subtly different.
Dec 29 23:44:16 <alterego> Oh, Ruby can have varargs easy :)
Dec 29 23:44:35 <alterego> I was talking about binding a C vararg function to a ruby binding.
Dec 29 23:44:43 <lcuk> so am i
Dec 29 23:45:03 <alterego> There's no way you can dynamically construct a call to a varargs function at runtime.
Dec 29 23:45:28 <lcuk> maybe you could with an intermediate glue/reconstruction function written in c
Dec 29 23:45:41 <alterego> That's why most sane developers have two functions, one that accepts a varargs type call, and another that'll accept a null terminated array.
Dec 29 23:45:56 <alterego> lcuk: no, it really isn't possible.
Dec 29 23:46:05 <alterego> Not in a platform independant manner ..
Dec 29 23:46:56 <lcuk> boo
Dec 29 23:47:30 <alterego> That's the nature of the ABI ;)
Dec 29 23:47:46 <alterego> solmumaha: try Gtk::Window#set_default_icon
Dec 29 23:48:05 <solmumaha> i think i've tried everything but will do
Dec 29 23:49:09 <alterego> solmumaha: well, if you can find out how people do it in C, then it should be pretty obvious what you're supposed to do in Ruby ;)
Dec 29 23:52:43 <alterego> Right, I'm remembering how I wrote this ruby/maemo hildon plugin thing now,.
Dec 29 23:52:49 <alterego> Should be quite straight forward :)
Dec 29 23:53:33 <alterego> solmumaha: did you hear? I lost the source for my hildon-desktop plugins :(
Dec 29 23:54:55 <alterego> Crap, my code snippets don't appear in maemo planet.
Dec 29 23:55:53 <nomis>    
Dec 29 23:55:53 <nomis> +.
Dec 29 23:55:54 <nomis> ~·
Dec 29 23:56:11 <nomis> oops. Sorry.
Dec 30 00:03:42 <solmumaha> alterego: ruby source?
Dec 30 00:04:02 <alterego> No, the code I wrote to make desktop widgets
Dec 30 00:04:33 <alterego> Anyhow, I'm gonna go to bed now. Later folks.
Dec 30 00:04:48 <qwerty_da_prick> night
Dec 30 00:08:20 <woglinde> nitr alterego
Dec 30 00:13:14 <sin18> can anyone please point to me where i could get the older version of Titan Theme (would like to use the original background img) for nokia n800/ diablo?
Dec 30 00:13:15 <GAN8001> Ah, home.
Dec 30 00:13:58 <woglinde> good nite
Dec 30 00:14:02 <Navimaster> hello everyone
Dec 30 00:15:10 <Navimaster> Is there a way (or service) that a Nokia n800 can always remain online/with internet service? (other than bluetooth)
Dec 30 00:16:45 <cjdavis1> navimaster: remain online? only other way would be with wifi, right?
Dec 30 00:17:15 <Navimaster> I guess so, but I mean even when you're not in a wifi-accessible area?
Dec 30 00:18:20 <cjdavis1> well, no bluetooth -> phone and no wifi, then i dont think so
Dec 30 00:18:36 <Navimaster> I see
Dec 30 00:19:24 <GAN8001> timely, ping? Still need the image? http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/maemofingerkeyboard.jpg
Dec 30 00:26:15 <GAN8001> andre__, what's this, strike six? :P
Dec 30 00:27:42 <andre__> GAN8001, how did you make the virtual keyboard double-size on that screenshot?! :-P
Dec 30 00:27:51 <GAN8001> MAGIC!
Dec 30 00:29:15 <andre__> 1337 hax0r...
Dec 30 00:30:29 <GAN8001> andre__, do we have a formalized punishment procedure for Bugzilla?
Dec 30 00:30:58 <andre__> no. want to come up with a draft? :)
Dec 30 00:31:52 <andre__> i warn people, if people don't listen i can disable their account. but maybe you refer to something else...
Dec 30 00:33:33 <GAN8001> That's exactly what I was thinking
Dec 30 00:33:45 <GAN8001> Though maybe we could contract qwerty12 and a frozen trout on the side. ;)
Dec 30 00:34:30 * qwerty_da_prick gets his trout ready
Dec 30 00:34:43 <GAN8001> Mr. Prick?
Dec 30 00:35:08 <qwerty_da_prick> Yeah,
Dec 30 00:35:35 <qwerty_da_prick> xchat was supposed to have cut scrollback here..
Dec 30 00:35:58 <qwerty_da_prick> <qwerty12_N800> heh, I didn't intend to sound like a prick  when I said that :D
Dec 30 00:36:01 <andre__> mmmm, fish..... yummy....
Dec 30 00:36:18 * timely looks up
Dec 30 00:36:20 <andre__> time to summarize this day: http://ftp.gnome.org/conspiracy/ . good night, gentlemen!
Dec 30 00:36:24 <qwerty_da_prick> <lcuk> what about everything else you say :P :D
Dec 30 00:36:32 <timely> GAN8001: i found it eventually
Dec 30 00:36:39 <qwerty_da_prick> then qwerty da prick was born
Dec 30 00:36:40 <GAN8001> 'night, andre__ :)
Dec 30 00:36:45 <qwerty_da_prick> night andre__
Dec 30 00:36:56 <lcuk> excellent, so you follow every word i say
Dec 30 00:37:02 * GAN8001 wonders if he should mention RDS in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1674 ;)
Dec 30 00:37:05 <lcuk> night andre
Dec 30 00:37:25 <qwerty_da_prick> /ignore lcuk
Dec 30 00:37:45 <timely> GAN8001: which bug needed the trout?
Dec 30 00:38:03 <qwerty_da_prick> but where will I get my northern pearls of wisdom from then :/
Dec 30 00:38:16 <lcuk> in your own head
Dec 30 00:38:39 <GAN8001> timely, this guy: http://tinyurl.com/6v7mdh
Dec 30 00:38:48 <qwerty_da_prick> lcuk, Must have me confused with a northerner
Dec 30 00:39:07 <GAN8001> timely, #3809 and #3967 in particular
Dec 30 00:39:20 <lcuk> once a northerner, always a northerer.  you might move house and change your accent, but you will always think in northern
Dec 30 00:40:40 <qwerty_da_prick> to be fair, don't think i ever had the accent properly in the first place :p
Dec 30 00:41:06 <GAN8001> qwerty_da_prick's accent is "American Urban" ;)
Dec 30 00:41:09 <timely> reading, slowly :)
Dec 30 00:41:53 <GAN8001> timely, he continued the Modest bug by hurling insults at me via email. ;)
Dec 30 00:42:36 <qwerty_da_prick> What a tosser :/
Dec 30 00:44:29 <limepi> quick question... I'm using os X to re-flash my n800, and it seems like the "770flasher" software is stuck at a certain message
Dec 30 00:44:42 <limepi> do I just need to be patient, or did something go wrong?
Dec 30 00:44:58 <GAN8001> It's fast for me
Dec 30 00:45:01 <GAN8001> What message?
Dec 30 00:45:04 <limepi> USB device found found at bus 004, device address 002-0421-0105-02-00
Dec 30 00:45:12 <GAN8001> Hrm
Dec 30 00:45:21 <lcuk> it depends if that message is "please wait, uploading" or "press any key to continue"
Dec 30 00:46:02 <limepi> it listed a few images prior to the "USB device found"
Dec 30 00:48:14 <timely> GAN8001: have you read bmo's etiquette page?
Dec 30 00:48:34 <timely> bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=etiquette.html
Dec 30 00:49:22 <timely> gosh
Dec 30 00:49:26 <GAN8001> Months and months ago
Dec 30 00:49:29 <timely> i didn't realize modest was such a pig
Dec 30 00:49:36 <timely> 11729 user     SW     84396  1001  0.0 66.4 maemo-launcher
Dec 30 00:49:40 <timely> 11729 user      84396 SW  /usr/bin/modest
Dec 30 00:50:00 <limepi> er, should I have removed all memory cards prior to re-flashing
Dec 30 00:50:11 <timely> doesn't matter
Dec 30 00:50:17 <limepi> figured
Dec 30 00:50:21 <timely> flashing only affects the whatever thing
Dec 30 00:50:24 <timely> not the removables
Dec 30 00:50:33 <timely> if you have a backup on a memory card
Dec 30 00:50:41 <timely> then when it boots after flashing, it'll ask if you want to restore
Dec 30 00:50:46 <timely> which is /probably/ what you want
Dec 30 00:52:14 <limepi> I kinda want to start from zero again
Dec 30 00:52:45 <limepi> and the updating program hasn't budged from the current message
Dec 30 00:53:05 <limepi> but if I disconnect now it will be borked for sure
Dec 30 00:54:18 <limepi> I hope I didn't just brick my n800 :(
Dec 30 01:12:10 <smackpotato> what is ssu
Dec 30 01:16:37 <smackpotato> ok i got it
Dec 30 01:22:54 <GAN8001> andre__, he's on the three-strike system now. ;)
Dec 30 01:33:30 <lcuk> hmmm, flashing tablet n800.  in usb mode my computer will not detect the tablet for the flasher.  note its a laptop and has 2 externally available USB ports and does not show n800 in maintenance mode
Dec 30 01:33:53 <lcuk> booting to full maemo desktop and then plugging in gives:
Dec 30 01:33:54 <lcuk> gary@home-x41:~$ lsusb
Dec 30 01:33:54 <lcuk> Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0421:04c3 Nokia Mobile Phones N800 Internet Tablet
Dec 30 01:34:03 <lcuk> so the cable works
Dec 30 01:34:14 <lcuk> any idea how i can get it running to flash
Dec 30 01:54:55 <limepi> so I tried re-flashing from the terminal
Dec 30 01:55:03 <limepi> and hey, I got a new error message!
Dec 30 01:55:04 <limepi> Error claiming USB interface: No such file or directory
Dec 30 02:01:13 <milhouse> bug 3809 just got very funny! :)
Dec 30 02:04:17 <lcuk> milhouse, proper link? or make the ircbot make them
Dec 30 02:05:12 <milhouse> starts here, then goes downhill: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3809#c22
Dec 30 02:05:35 <milhouse> I can be a jerk in Bugzilla but this guy is out of my league! :)
Dec 30 02:06:31 <timely> andre__: technically javascript had to do w/ a marketing agreement between sun and netscape
Dec 30 02:06:38 <timely> although, that was the full extent of sun's involvement :)
Dec 30 02:07:08 <timely> is he gone yet?
Dec 30 02:07:08 <milhouse> i thought javascript was developed by netscape? Brendan Eich?
Dec 30 02:07:15 <timely> yes
Dec 30 02:07:20 <timely> but under the name livescript
Dec 30 02:07:44 <milhouse> and javascript as the language has a similar syntax?
Dec 30 02:07:46 <timely> the javascript name came about because netscape got clever and talked to sun about the name
Dec 30 02:07:49 <milhouse> (to java)
Dec 30 02:07:50 <timely> not really
Dec 30 02:08:06 <timely> they did ensure that javascript reserved the words java reserved
Dec 30 02:08:10 <timely> but that was about it
Dec 30 02:08:37 <timely> but it depends on how one does comparisons
Dec 30 02:08:38 <milhouse> it is funny how people get js and java confused as both being from sun
Dec 30 02:08:47 * timely shrugs
Dec 30 02:08:49 <milhouse> like our chum David
Dec 30 02:08:50 <timely> can you blame them?
Dec 30 02:09:09 <milhouse> yes and no
Dec 30 02:09:18 <timely> same here
Dec 30 02:09:47 <milhouse> it's not something that ever occured to me, but then i suppose I've been around both of them for so long...
Dec 30 02:11:10 <milhouse> s/,/(occured to me that they were both from sun, that is),/
Dec 30 02:11:10 <infobot> milhouse meant: it's not something that ever occured to me(occured to me that they were both from sun, that is), but then i suppose I've been around both of them for so long...
Dec 30 02:11:38 <timely> you mean microsoft didn't make X Windows?
Dec 30 02:11:40 * timely is shocked
Dec 30 02:11:47 <milhouse> :)
Dec 30 02:12:18 <glass> heh, i wonder if theres a linux port for this thing http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18355
Dec 30 02:12:55 * alterego yawns
Dec 30 02:12:59 <glass> dx surely has everyfrigginthing
Dec 30 02:13:06 <alterego> Yeah, I know. Iwas going to bed but I never made it ..
Dec 30 02:13:23 <glass> (that thing is intresting as it has even rj45)
Dec 30 02:13:30 <glass> (otherwise it's probably crap)
Dec 30 02:14:49 <milhouse> only 80MB system RAM??
Dec 30 02:14:54 <milhouse> a bit stingy
Dec 30 02:15:33 <alterego> Just remember what Bill Gates said, "There's absolutely no reason why anyone would ever need more than 16K RAM".
Dec 30 02:15:36 <alterego> Or something like that.
Dec 30 02:16:19 <milhouse> Who? never heard of him.
Dec 30 02:16:51 <lcuk> and he was right.  look at the crappy messy code we have produced since we were given more than we needed ;)
Dec 30 02:16:51 <alterego> He was quite big in the 80's.
Dec 30 02:16:56 <disco_stu> someone knows how to make menus hildonized when using glade?
Dec 30 02:17:42 <milhouse> Should have stayed with hand assembled machine code.
Dec 30 02:18:00 <milhouse> These fancy high level langauge compilers are to blame :(
Dec 30 02:18:08 * lcuk kicks his stupid usb subsystem.  why in the world would my n800 not show up in usb enumeration even though usb maint mode is enabled on tablet and just seconds before it was detected on same cable and port \@/
Dec 30 02:18:47 <lcuk> milhouse, its any compilers. all code should be hand crafter from binary
Dec 30 02:18:56 <lcuk> crafted
Dec 30 02:19:12 <milhouse> even :) (thanks)
Dec 30 02:19:35 <milhouse> Aha, I see David has thrown in the towel - what a nut job
Dec 30 02:19:43 <milhouse> (bug 3809 comment 27)
Dec 30 02:19:43 <disco_stu> its the delirious hour?
Dec 30 02:19:48 <milhouse> aye
Dec 30 02:20:03 <lcuk> yeah im off to bed soon :D
Dec 30 02:20:12 <disco_stu> lol
Dec 30 02:20:39 <lcuk> i just thought i would have a go at doing this n800 :'(
Dec 30 02:20:47 <lcuk> i wanted to fix the camera code in liqbase as well
Dec 30 02:21:41 <disco_stu> lcuk, you need to cope with n800 camera rotation
Dec 30 02:21:52 <lcuk> yes, i do
Dec 30 02:22:03 <lcuk> but i need an n800 with os2008 to test it
Dec 30 02:22:19 <lcuk> i have an n800 with os2007 on it..
Dec 30 02:22:35 <disco_stu> flash it
Dec 30 02:22:44 <lcuk> ...
Dec 30 02:23:21 <lcuk> scrollback about 50 minutes this chan
Dec 30 02:23:36 <disco_stu> lol
Dec 30 02:24:34 <disco_stu> where did you get the n800?
Dec 30 02:25:36 <lcuk> ummm it arrived a while ago, ive tried a number of times to get it flashed now
Dec 30 02:26:51 <disco_stu> are you using windows?
Dec 30 02:27:20 <lcuk> tried both
Dec 30 02:27:35 <lcuk> tonights attempt is in linux on the laptop
Dec 30 02:28:17 <disco_stu> using the n800 as a mass storage device works?
Dec 30 02:28:18 <lcuk> it is detected and enumerated when maemo desktop is on, but when i have it sat in usb flashing maintenance mode (nokia logo + usb icon in top right)
Dec 30 02:28:33 <lcuk> not used it, but it detects
Dec 30 02:28:48 <lcuk> gary@home-x41:~$ lsusb
Dec 30 02:28:55 <lcuk> Bus 005 Device 004: ID 0421:04c3 Nokia Mobile Phones N800 Internet Tablet
Dec 30 02:28:56 <disco_stu> did you try other cables?
Dec 30 02:29:04 <lcuk> have no other cables here
Dec 30 02:29:15 <lcuk> ill get one and try
Dec 30 02:30:59 <disco_stu> you should try another cable
Dec 30 02:32:21 <milhouse> umm... just replied to bug 3809... :)
Dec 30 02:32:47 <alterego> The guy that does the Maemo UI Improvements blog. Is he Nokia?
Dec 30 02:32:55 <milhouse> Roope?
Dec 30 02:32:55 <alterego> Or just throwing the ideas out there?
Dec 30 02:33:30 <milhouse> I thought this was the Maemo UI blog: http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com/
Dec 30 02:33:37 <milhouse> but it's not been updated in 12 months... :(
Dec 30 02:33:58 <milhouse> (no surprises there really)
Dec 30 02:34:33 <disco_stu> where the hell is the glade people ?!?!
Dec 30 02:34:45 <bef0rd> gimp IRC
Dec 30 02:34:55 <lcuk> disco_stu, i can connect, create and edit files from the laptop which are then accessible on the n800 (after i disconnect again)
Dec 30 02:35:09 <lcuk> glade will be overpowering on the tablet
Dec 30 02:35:52 <lcuk> khertan compiled it, but its about as unwieldy as running gimp on tablet ;)
Dec 30 02:36:05 * timely ponders
Dec 30 02:36:08 <timely> which would people here prefer
Dec 30 02:36:19 <lcuk> hookers!
Dec 30 02:36:21 <timely> ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( )
Dec 30 02:36:22 <timely> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
Dec 30 02:36:23 <timely> -----
Dec 30 02:36:27 <disco_stu> lcuk,  glade is hildonized and works very nice
Dec 30 02:36:32 <b-man> WHAT!?!?
Dec 30 02:36:44 <timely> 7 8 9 - ! @ # $
Dec 30 02:36:46 <lcuk> glade looked overbearing when i saw it
Dec 30 02:37:00 <timely> 4 5 6 + % ^ & *
Dec 30 02:37:14 <b-man> 10001 1110 111 00111 1110
Dec 30 02:37:16 <lcuk> timely, depends on different factors
Dec 30 02:37:30 <timely> 1 2 3 x ( ) _ =
Dec 30 02:37:36 <timely> lcuk: you're using an n800
Dec 30 02:37:43 <timely> w/ an onscreen (half screen) keyboard
Dec 30 02:38:13 <lcuk> yes, and i cant wait to get os2008 and ssh and liqbase on it so ill never have to touch it again for as long as i live
Dec 30 02:38:42 <timely> bah
Dec 30 02:38:47 <disco_stu> n800 is unique :p
Dec 30 02:38:48 <timely> where's my liqbase for my 770?
Dec 30 02:38:49 <lcuk> i dont know how people cope without a real keyboard
Dec 30 02:39:02 <lcuk> send me your 770 and ill have a look :)
Dec 30 02:39:13 <timely> where are you?
Dec 30 02:39:18 <lcuk> at home
Dec 30 02:39:27 <timely> a geo position would help
Dec 30 02:39:54 <lcuk> whoa there!  that might take some time.  the only gps i have is n810
Dec 30 02:40:01 <lcuk> manchester england
Dec 30 02:40:08 <timely> ok. lemme see
Dec 30 02:40:13 <alterego> Well, after not going to sleep. I've almost finished the rewrite of my hildon-desktop bindings and plugin loader.
Dec 30 02:40:19 <alterego> I'm not officially knackered ..
Dec 30 02:40:22 <timely> iirc the english part of the nokia l10n team was somewhere around there
Dec 30 02:40:25 <alterego> ~now ..
Dec 30 02:40:56 <alterego> a-gps FTW!
Dec 30 02:41:16 <lcuk> well done alterego
Dec 30 02:41:34 <lcuk> i know what im gonna do with this little tablet, im gonna keep it at os2007
Dec 30 02:42:07 <alterego> Thanks lcuk
Dec 30 02:42:55 <lcuk> timely,  which os do you expect liqbase on
Dec 30 02:43:01 <disco_stu> lcuk: it isnt a problem of the n
Dec 30 02:43:08 <disco_stu> n800
Dec 30 02:43:10 <alterego> It's interesting to me, that the "Hello, world!" example for a ruby-maemo app is larger than that of a ruby-maemo desktop plugin.
Dec 30 02:43:38 <alterego> I suppose plugins are supposed to be light weight ^_^
Dec 30 02:44:15 <lcuk> do your plugins respond to all events?
Dec 30 02:44:28 <alterego> lcuk: what kind of events?
Dec 30 02:44:54 <lcuk> like show hide sleep etc?
Dec 30 02:45:00 <lcuk> whatever they are meant to have
Dec 30 02:45:06 <alterego> Nope :)
Dec 30 02:45:15 <alterego> That's up to the programmer, not a hello world example :P
Dec 30 02:45:31 <alterego> Obviously the signals are there to be used though.
Dec 30 02:46:10 <lcuk> for future sanity you could add bare handlers to the example to guide users to whats expected
Dec 30 02:46:39 <lcuk> i know i wouldnt know what to look for
Dec 30 02:47:00 <alterego> Yeah, my examples start from the minimum and add functionality. So the next example would probably include those features.
Dec 30 02:47:08 <lcuk> :D excellent
Dec 30 02:47:50 <alterego> It's like my "Hello, world!" example application. The next example shows how to utilize fullscreen :)
Dec 30 02:47:51 <lcuk> can i flash my device without usb
Dec 30 02:48:02 <alterego> lcuk: you can, but it's tricky :)
Dec 30 02:48:22 <disco_stu> Khertan_n810: ping
Dec 30 02:48:24 <lcuk> like using YUV display modes and writing graphics library from scratch tricky?
Dec 30 02:49:14 <alterego> No, probably not _that_ tricky ;)
Dec 30 02:49:40 <limepi> I was able to update on a different computer, if anyone cares.
Dec 30 02:49:43 <limepi> Ciao.
Dec 30 02:49:46 <alterego> Since early 2008 there are utilities to flash each area of flash memory on the N8X0's.
Dec 30 02:50:21 <alterego> I can only presume that it's part of Diablo's upgrade procedure. As it can reflash the kernel etc.
Dec 30 02:53:29 <lcuk> thanks alterego ill look later, i have a clue in dmesg that ill track
Dec 30 02:58:59 <b-man> (dum question) - do you think we will ever have acsess to our tablet's BIOS?
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