**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 30 02:59:56 2008
Dec 30 03:00:22 <alterego> Erm ..
Dec 30 03:00:25 <alterego> There is no BIOS
Dec 30 03:00:50 <timely> 'bios'?
Dec 30 03:01:00 <alterego> I think he means DOS :)
Dec 30 03:01:05 <b-man> no
Dec 30 03:01:13 <alterego> no?
Dec 30 03:01:31 <b-man> i mean the "basic input/output structure"
Dec 30 03:01:39 * alterego tries to think of devices other than "PC's" that have a BIOS ..
Dec 30 03:01:44 <timely> that's not what the 's' stands for
Dec 30 03:01:55 <timely> and e.g. mac's don't have a bios
Dec 30 03:02:03 <timely> (they have "open firmware" in modern ones)
Dec 30 03:02:12 <timely> modern pcs use EPI iirc
Dec 30 03:02:21 <timely> or something similarly acronymed
Dec 30 03:02:27 <alterego> "PC's" :)
Dec 30 03:03:19 <milhouse> timely: EFI
Dec 30 03:03:23 <b-man> ok...... like i said - it was a dum question ;)
Dec 30 03:03:38 <alterego> What uses farsight?
Dec 30 03:06:50 <alterego> Ah, it's VoIP stuff.
Dec 30 03:06:57 <alterego> Probably don't need to write bindings for that then :)
Dec 30 03:08:07 <alterego> Informative: http://nice.freedesktop.org/wiki/
Dec 30 03:11:55 <alterego> Right, definitely bed time now. g'night folks.
Dec 30 03:13:26 <milhouse> tata
Dec 30 03:34:52 <b-man> heh, it looks like Engadget finally found out about the pirated copy of Windows 7 on BitTorrent. :P
Dec 30 03:34:55 <b-man> http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/29/windows-7-beta-iso-leaked-to-internet-world/
Dec 30 03:40:51 <b-man> http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/12/27/windows-7-beta-1-build-7000-dvd-iso-image-torrent-and-namipan-download/
Dec 30 04:14:48 <samd> hey, my tablet fall from about 1 foot, it stoped detencting the internal memory and detected the external memory as corrupted until i removed the battery a inserted it again, it readed both memories fine, should i worry any longer about it?
Dec 30 04:15:21 <glass> give it a day or two at least
Dec 30 04:15:34 <glass> if it works ok after that it'll probably keep working
Dec 30 04:15:38 <glass> backup of course :)
Dec 30 04:16:10 <derf> Probably just jostled the cards and confused the driver until you did a full reboot.
Dec 30 04:18:41 <samd> i did reboots, and still the same until i removed the batteries,, also, i think the external card fall off ( i had to push it all the way back inside)
Dec 30 04:35:18 <Grackle> samd: If it works now, it's probably fine. I dropped mine from a few feet up (I was holding it) onto a concrete floor. The battery went flying off, but upon putting it back in it seemed fine
Dec 30 04:36:47 <samd> Grackle yeah, thanks for the input, its prbably fine, it was just the shock that it didnt read the memory card, not even the internal one until i removed the battery, and i saw it worked, i took a long breath lol
Dec 30 04:42:49 <Grackle> yeah samd, I wouldn't have expected it to stop reading the internal memory o.o
Dec 30 04:44:22 <samd> yeah , i was shocked xD, Grackle, but im glad its working now
Dec 30 04:45:18 <samd> cuz its new, i got it from christmas
Dec 30 04:52:10 <Grackle> oh, whee
Dec 30 04:57:21 <samd> ight, im out for tonight, cyall around, cya Grackle
Dec 30 05:18:08 <prak> which application would you recommend for using n810 to make sound recordings?
Dec 30 06:01:41 <GAN8001> andre__, this is the second round of abusive email I've gotten from this guy
Dec 30 06:01:41 <GAN8001> He's threatening my life now.
Dec 30 06:08:43 <mouser-1> prak: There is Maemo recorder, but unless I am missing something, the mic level is set to near zero, so you won't get a very good recording.  I know the built-in mic is actually very good, so it's certainly a software setting.
Dec 30 06:09:17 <prak> mouser, thanks, i'll check out maemo recorder
Dec 30 06:09:29 <prak> i'm planning to use it to record live presentations
Dec 30 06:15:50 <pupnik>  how are your tablet batteries holding up?  mine seem to be doing very well (1 year, 2 years)
Dec 30 06:31:56 <prak> mouser-, how do you know the mic level is set to zero?
Dec 30 06:36:29 <mouser-> prak: I have no idea if it is set to near zero, but the recordings come out very low.  Perhaps it was the way I was using it (I was trying to record a conversation in a quiet room from ten feet away).  I'll see if speaking closer helps.
Dec 30 06:37:15 <prak> mouser-, ic, i couldn't find any settings to set the level on the program; i tried recording music from my headphones, with it close to the built-in mic
Dec 30 06:37:18 <prak> it is indeed low
Dec 30 06:38:29 <mouser-> prak: However, when talking to someone through Skype or Gizmo I had no problems leaving the n810 ten feet away and talking normally.
Dec 30 06:38:43 <prak> i haven't tried that
Dec 30 06:38:50 <prak> i guess i can find out when i record a lecture
Dec 30 06:39:14 <Vulcanis> I can test my n800 tomorrow
Dec 30 06:39:21 <Vulcanis> if you're talking about the mic in that
Dec 30 06:39:39 <mouser-> prak: The format it is recorded in may make a difference as well.
Dec 30 06:39:55 <prak> what format did you record it in?
Dec 30 06:40:10 <mouser-> It couldn't hurt, Vulcanis.  The N810/N800 are so similar I doubt it would have much of a difference.
Dec 30 06:40:40 <Vulcanis> Mouser: Well, better hardware is for some parts of the n810
Dec 30 06:40:43 <Vulcanis> so I think it might
Dec 30 06:40:52 <Vulcanis> the webcam in the n800 was terribad, remember
Dec 30 06:40:57 <Vulcanis> dunno about the 810, but I think it is much better
Dec 30 06:41:41 <mouser-> It's not great on the n810 either, at least when not using it in bright sunlight/clouds.  It's almost useless indoors or in lower light.
Dec 30 06:42:00 <mouser-> It takes decent enough pictures outside, though.
Dec 30 06:42:30 <mouser-> prak: Checking on the format, prak.  I think it started with an F.
Dec 30 06:43:13 <prak> mouser-, maemo recorder only has wav, pcm a-law, and ilbc
Dec 30 06:43:30 <mouser-> prak: It was ilbc (whatever that is).
Dec 30 06:43:55 <mouser-> I was surprised the recordings were so small for an hour, so it must be very low bitrate.
Dec 30 06:44:34 <prak> is the bitrate variable by the user?
Dec 30 07:58:32 <MaceN800> ok... fuck att
Dec 30 07:58:43 <MaceN800> i give up on them
Dec 30 08:21:59 <RST38h> How often do people mix passive and active voice when they say "fuck xxx"...
Dec 30 08:35:06 <Jaffa> Mornng, all
Dec 30 08:36:37 <bef0rd> Hello
Dec 30 08:40:07 <bef0rd> I am currently trying to make a video call between empathy and N810, audio works pretty well, but I see no video :( http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/index.html#rnusers.empathy according to this I need to install h.263 video codecs, but I'm unable to find it, any ideas?
Dec 30 08:40:34 <bef0rd> s/video codecs/video codec for gstreamer/
Dec 30 08:40:34 <infobot> bef0rd meant: I am currently trying to make a video call between empathy and N810, audio works pretty well, but I see no video :( http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/index.html#rnusers.empathy according to this I need to install h.263 video codec for gstre...
Dec 30 08:42:10 <Vulcanis> Why does everyone do that after typing long paragraphs? I mean... its not hard to correct yourself in some other way, instead of making the bot write the block of text all over again.
Dec 30 08:42:26 <Vulcanis> s/Why does everyone do that after typing long paragraphs? I mean... its not hard to correct yourself in some other way, instead of making the bot write the block of text all over again./Spoons/
Dec 30 08:42:26 <infobot> Vulcanis meant: Spoons
Dec 30 08:46:11 <bef0rd> heh, sorry, but I don't see the bot complaining ;P
Dec 30 08:47:14 <Vulcanis> it will.
Dec 30 09:33:47 <MaceN800-> k!
Dec 30 09:33:55 <MaceN800-> that's it!!
Dec 30 09:34:05 <MaceN800-> att is getting cancelled
Dec 30 09:34:41 <MaceN800-> i'll find another place that doesnt suck big dick for a net connection
Dec 30 09:34:58 <MaceN800-> it keeps dropping its ppp connection
Dec 30 09:35:05 <MaceN800-> bastards
Dec 30 09:41:26 <andre__> GAN8001, "threatening your life"?
Dec 30 09:44:14 <andre__> ah. i'm going to block him.
Dec 30 09:49:40 <RST38h> Who is threatening your life, GAN? Let us drive him to the edge of insanity (oops, already there) and into suicide!
Dec 30 09:50:55 <andre__> RST38h, basically bug 3809 comment 27
Dec 30 09:51:18 <andre__> but I'd prefer to not have a huge bashing party and in the end block everybody's access :-P
Dec 30 09:51:30 <RST38h> Ah! Death threats in bugzilla!
Dec 30 09:52:02 <RST38h> No, not in bugzilla, sorry
Dec 30 09:52:21 <RST38h> you will have to lure him here for the decent flamefest
Dec 30 09:53:40 <RST38h> andre: looks like an adolescent though.
Dec 30 09:54:27 <Stskeeps> 11yo with tablet?
Dec 30 09:54:54 <andre__> BZ is not a place for insulting people. (err... at least other people than me.)
Dec 30 09:54:59 <andre__> going to hide these comments.
Dec 30 09:55:21 <qwerty12> Noooo, Bugzilla was just getting exciting too :)
Dec 30 09:55:50 <Jaffa> I think I can confirm the original bug, FWIW
Dec 30 09:55:57 <Jaffa> I've seen similar behaviour in Gmail ;-)
Dec 30 09:56:21 <andre__> hehe
Dec 30 09:56:36 <RST38h> Childishness aside, Nokia really *has* to do something with input methods being sluggish
Dec 30 09:57:03 <RST38h> Especially with external keyboards as one would expect proper responsiveness from them
Dec 30 09:57:09 <RST38h> But virt keyboard too
Dec 30 09:57:38 <qwerty12> Agreed, but a bug filed with a person who can hold their tongue would probably go a lot further (and one who can file a bug properly it seems)
Dec 30 09:58:43 <RST38h> qwerty: I have filed a bug already. It is still being largely ignored.
Dec 30 09:58:56 <andre__> i'm just bored by reading reports with lots of noise and having to search for information in it, actually
Dec 30 09:59:00 <andre__> number?
Dec 30 09:59:02 <qwerty12> RST38h, I take that back? :/
Dec 30 09:59:14 <RST38h> a moment
Dec 30 09:59:48 <RST38h> andre: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3359 (you will see people with USB keyboards report the same problem in comments)
Dec 30 10:00:50 <RST38h> andre: Somebody (AStorm?) suggested that this may have to do with the keyboard processing not given high scheduling priority
Dec 30 10:01:01 <RST38h> Because it definitely becomes worse when the tablet is under heavy load
Dec 30 10:01:40 <Stskeeps>  sure its not just some stupid js spellchecker in yahoo mail
Dec 30 10:01:42 <Stskeeps> ?
Dec 30 10:01:55 <RST38h> In Yahoo - I dunno
Dec 30 10:02:07 <RST38h> In general, it is not. And it is not the prediction either (I have it off)
Dec 30 10:02:36 <RST38h> And not BT (although BT also seems to miss and/or repeat characters under heavy load, probably the same cause)
Dec 30 10:03:07 <andre__> RST38h, seen bug 3532? I wonder whether /sys/class/input/input## also hits 20 in bug 3359
Dec 30 10:03:14 <RST38h> For *really* miserable experience with this bug, try playing a dynamic game using ext keyboard
Dec 30 10:03:24 <RST38h> andre: checking
Dec 30 10:04:12 <RST38h> andre: I have encountered 3532 with my Apple BT keyboard but do not think it is the same
Dec 30 10:04:54 <andre__> gnarf! :)
Dec 30 10:05:32 <RST38h> 3532 basically comes from messed up bt device discovery when you connect/disconnect it too often
Dec 30 10:06:30 * Jaffa adds reproduction steps to #3809
Dec 30 10:06:35 <Jaffa> (with Gmail)
Dec 30 10:08:16 <andre__> Jaffa, oh, physical keyboard? interesting. you understand what "step-by-step" means compared to other folks ;-)
Dec 30 10:09:11 <Jaffa> :)
Dec 30 10:16:51 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i wonder.. did anyone actually bother to ask Nokia for information on CAL and partition tablets etc? :P
Dec 30 10:17:28 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, dunno, but Eero seems to be giving a hint :>
Dec 30 10:17:42 <Stskeeps> yeah, and qgil said they're not -that- religious about CAL, so
Dec 30 10:44:24 <Stskeeps> wow, i just saw BME output O_o
Dec 30 10:44:36 <Stskeeps> talking about battery type
Dec 30 10:44:51 <qwerty12> An experience  you will forever remember? :D
Dec 30 10:45:01 <Stskeeps> indeed
Dec 30 10:46:41 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810, qwerty12: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.4.tar.gz - wifi drivers active, boots into hildon without having to select in rescue mode
Dec 30 10:46:49 <Stskeeps> fsck bug fixed
Dec 30 10:47:29 <qwerty12> Brilliant, after I've finished transferring some files, I'll untar onto my second partition :)
Dec 30 10:47:36 <dangit> how decent is wayfinder (nokia n810) compared to tomtom etc?
Dec 30 10:47:38 <Stskeeps> alright
Dec 30 10:49:23 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: if you want wifi working you probably need to edit /etc/network/interfaces and installing wpasupplicant, and openssh-server :P
Dec 30 10:49:28 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: starts hildon as root?
Dec 30 10:49:50 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, heh, so I still have to set up usbnet? >.<
Dec 30 10:50:08 <qwerty12> fuck it, I'll dump the debs and dependencies straight on the partition
Dec 30 10:50:15 <Meiz_n810> i used wifi with wireless-tools, but i don't have encryption
Dec 30 10:50:56 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: yeah, next version will not run as root
Dec 30 10:51:04 <qwerty12> Yeah, my connection is shared, don't think brother & sisters would appreciate me disabling encryption :/ (all vista, go figure..)
Dec 30 10:51:12 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: oh, encryption works :P
Dec 30 10:51:26 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: wlan-cal will be run at early boot?
Dec 30 10:51:27 <Stskeeps> i had deblet going with wpa2 originally
Dec 30 10:51:31 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: yup
Dec 30 10:51:36 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 30 10:52:49 <qwerty12> I'm running xchat 2.8.6 in maemo with hildon patches btw, I'll see if I can update the mer build later
Dec 30 10:52:54 <Stskeeps> alright
Dec 30 10:53:06 <qwerty12> (and get a proper source package, should be trivial to fix)
Dec 30 10:53:23 <Meiz_n810> i have some stuff installed to my Mer partition, can i install tablet-wireless or something to get wlan working on my current rootfs?
Dec 30 10:53:33 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: yeah, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
Dec 30 10:53:39 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 30 10:53:50 <qwerty12> I should update the build in extras-devel come think of it, I got LDFLAGS and the python plugin to play nice...
Dec 30 10:54:31 <lardman> morning all
Dec 30 10:54:46 <Stskeeps> morning lardman
Dec 30 10:54:48 <qwerty12> hey lardman!
Dec 30 10:55:11 <lardman> hey chaps, Merry Christmas, hope you got lots of nice presents :)
Dec 30 10:55:50 <Stskeeps> thanks, hope you did too :)
Dec 30 10:57:27 * Stskeeps ponders if he can lodge icd into mer.
Dec 30 10:57:57 <qwerty12> As a separate addon I hope? :-)
Dec 30 10:58:09 <Stskeeps> proof of concept
Dec 30 10:58:43 <qwerty12> If you can't, it would probably be best to make libconic report success on each event...
Dec 30 10:59:05 <qwerty12> Save people from modifying the maemo program they want in mer :)
Dec 30 10:59:50 <Stskeeps> yeah.. but there's benefit to conic so
Dec 30 11:00:07 <qwerty12> but not if you don't have icd
Dec 30 11:00:15 <Stskeeps> conic is a dbus wrapper, so
Dec 30 11:01:24 <Meiz_n810> is there a non-free repo package to get cx3110x-umac etc...?
Dec 30 11:01:40 <Stskeeps> it is all in the repo
Dec 30 11:01:48 <RST38h> lardman,: moo
Dec 30 11:01:52 <Stskeeps> it's a ln -s to initfs
Dec 30 11:02:07 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 30 11:05:35 <lardman> hi RST38h
Dec 30 11:06:24 <Meiz_n810> isn't the wlan-firmware restricted?
Dec 30 11:06:55 <Stskeeps> ln -s to inits
Dec 30 11:06:56 <Stskeeps> fs
Dec 30 11:06:56 <Stskeeps> .P
Dec 30 11:06:57 <qwerty12> It's symlinks to files that are already there in initfs regardless
Dec 30 11:07:05 <Meiz_n810> ah
Dec 30 11:07:07 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 30 11:07:40 <Stskeeps> is a way to distribute without getting into big trouble, so :P
Dec 30 11:07:41 <Meiz_n810> Getting wlan to work with deblet packages was a lot harder
Dec 30 11:07:49 <Meiz_n810> yep :P
Dec 30 11:11:02 <Meiz_n810> how can i make a menu-item, that opens up a little dialog where i could enter wlan-essid, then it would run script with something like "iwconfig wlan0 essid lol", "sleep 4", "udhcpc -i wlan0" ?
Dec 30 11:12:31 <Meiz_n810> network-manager did not work when i tried last time, could it work with the open wlan driver? :P
Dec 30 11:15:34 <Stskeeps> it should work better now :P
Dec 30 11:15:48 * Stskeeps tries to install ICD
Dec 30 11:18:49 <Meiz_n810> Network-manager is working too? :0
Dec 30 11:18:59 <lardman> qwerty12: have you or anyone else looked at the opengl stuff in android?
Dec 30 11:20:06 <qwerty12> lardman, nope, opengl stuff doesn't bother me really. All I do know is that solca removed a ton of opengl references from the userspace
Dec 30 11:20:41 <lardman> qwerty12: ok, was just looking at Thesandlord's comment here: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25864&highlight=android
Dec 30 11:21:23 <qwerty12> the world clock moves pretty smoothly though when I tried it
Dec 30 11:21:47 <Stskeeps> "hildon-theme-ilona
Dec 30 11:21:50 <Stskeeps> which is this one? :P
Dec 30 11:22:10 <qwerty12> The disgusting theme that I referred to before - echo but in red
Dec 30 11:22:18 <Stskeeps> ah.
Dec 30 11:22:43 <qwerty12> Of course, the valentine theme nokia put out is enough to make you vomit...
Dec 30 11:26:47 * qwerty12 untars mer
Dec 30 11:27:05 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, you should know, is ACTION a part of the ircd out of question?
Dec 30 11:27:27 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: /me's are a client extension, it's all raw text
Dec 30 11:27:40 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, brilliant. thanks.
Dec 30 11:30:57 <qwerty12> Heh, mer and me don't agree. Starting linuxrc from p2 and then the tablet restarts. Could be my initfs, I don't have time to fix it atm
Dec 30 11:31:16 <Stskeeps> what .item do you use?
Dec 30 11:31:34 <qwerty12> The one from deblet, it should be on my computer, let me find ut
Dec 30 11:31:36 <qwerty12> (it
Dec 30 11:32:28 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/d6e14942c
Dec 30 11:32:49 <Stskeeps> needs to be ,ro at leas
Dec 30 11:32:49 <Stskeeps> t
Dec 30 11:33:00 <Stskeeps> looks correct though
Dec 30 11:33:20 <qwerty12> oh, let me remount initfs rw and I'll change that and try again
Dec 30 11:34:31 <qwerty12> (avahi pwns btw, it's so fun to be able to type ssh root@hostname)
Dec 30 11:34:35 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 30 11:35:18 <qwerty12> hmm. I already have ro in there
Dec 30 11:36:55 <qwerty12> but the extra " may be throwing it off
Dec 30 11:37:00 <Stskeeps> yeah maybe
Dec 30 11:37:02 <Stskeeps> busybox and all
Dec 30 11:37:59 <qwerty12> Ironically, the busybox in initfs is better than the one in rootfs
Dec 30 11:38:22 <qwerty12> Still no dice. Ah well.
Dec 30 11:42:03 <Stskeeps> mm, weird
Dec 30 11:42:09 <Stskeeps> i presume linuxrc is in the root of the OS
Dec 30 11:43:15 <qwerty12> I would check but I just pressed enter to reboot not realising what it said >.<
Dec 30 11:43:20 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 30 11:48:57 <Meiz_n810> Any idea how could i get the Fn key on Mer?
Dec 30 11:49:18 <Stskeeps> not sure yet
Dec 30 11:49:26 <Stskeeps> i dont have a n810 so :P
Dec 30 11:52:45 <Meiz_n810> bt-fimware in repo?
Dec 30 11:56:16 <Stskeeps> nokia-n8x0-firmware
Dec 30 11:59:52 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 30 12:07:22 <Stskeeps> hmm.
Dec 30 12:07:42 <Stskeeps> which application in Maemo supports SyncML?
Dec 30 12:08:16 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, http://www.cobb.uk.net/NokiaIT/index.html#opensync
Dec 30 12:08:28 <Stskeeps> yeah, i know, but there's a SyncML library in diablo-3
Dec 30 12:08:57 <qwerty12> funambol-cpp-api?
Dec 30 12:09:21 <Stskeeps> yeah :P
Dec 30 12:09:27 <Stskeeps> just curious :)
Dec 30 12:09:42 <qwerty12> It's for the WiMax n810
Dec 30 12:09:46 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 30 12:13:50 * Stskeeps tries getting statusbar-battery running
Dec 30 12:13:52 <Stskeeps> so far it works
Dec 30 12:14:12 * qwerty12 is a adv-power fan
Dec 30 12:14:21 <qwerty12> shame it's in python tho
Dec 30 12:14:25 <Stskeeps> yeah, but this is first time i show it is actually ABI compatible :P
Dec 30 12:14:41 <qwerty12> :)
Dec 30 12:15:47 <timely> hello world
Dec 30 12:15:57 <timely> is "x_y" a valid dns host?
Dec 30 12:17:48 * timely looks for a device
Dec 30 12:17:52 * timely considers lunch instead
Dec 30 12:23:57 * timely kicks sourceforge
Dec 30 12:24:01 <timely> breaking URLs used in CVEs
Dec 30 12:27:01 <Stskeeps> k, osso-sketch is abi compatible, :P
Dec 30 12:27:10 <Stskeeps> always good to know
Dec 30 12:27:57 <timely> ?
Dec 30 12:28:13 <timely> abi compat w/ *what*?
Dec 30 12:28:50 <Stskeeps> well. ok, i'm determining if binary-only maemo applications work on mer. and so far, it does.
Dec 30 12:29:19 <Stskeeps> with maemo gtk, fremantle hildon, etc, works fine
Dec 30 12:30:23 <Stskeeps> and osso-sketch seemed like the easiest victim to try out :)
Dec 30 12:34:49 <t_s_o> hmm, mer or freemantle, i do wonder...
Dec 30 12:35:11 <Stskeeps> fermantle
Dec 30 12:35:27 <Stskeeps> or ferment
Dec 30 12:35:30 <timely> Stskeeps: does my hack to osso-sketch work on mer? :)
Dec 30 12:35:43 <Stskeeps> timely: didn't check, which was it?
Dec 30 12:35:51 <timely> http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/
Dec 30 12:35:55 <timely>   sketch-png-0.1.deb
Dec 30 12:36:27 <t_s_o> heh, sometimes i wonder what they are smoking in nokia r&d: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/nokia_loves_origami.html
Dec 30 12:37:05 <Stskeeps> t_s_o: weed, and plenty of it.
Dec 30 12:37:09 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/sketch.png
Dec 30 12:37:12 <Stskeeps> (icons are a bit off)
Dec 30 12:37:17 <RST38h> t_s_o: most likely, paint peeled off old doors
Dec 30 12:37:35 <RST38h> t_s_o: hence the abundance of hinges in their nightmares
Dec 30 12:37:42 <timely> Stskeeps: looks like a theming bug
Dec 30 12:37:49 <timely> too little padding on the bottom screen edge?
Dec 30 12:37:58 <timely> (causing the window to be too tall for expected stupid app)
Dec 30 12:37:58 <Stskeeps> possible, it's plankton afterall .. :P
Dec 30 12:38:39 <timely> well, i don't know which part of the system is broken
Dec 30 12:38:42 <timely> it could be the window manager
Dec 30 12:38:54 <ShadowJK> that looks like an awesome design
Dec 30 12:38:59 <timely> whichever is responsible for positioning the application w/ constraints
Dec 30 12:38:59 <ShadowJK> (re patent)
Dec 30 12:39:11 <timely> ShadowJK: only four hinges which can possibly break
Dec 30 12:39:16 <timely> most of which have to be used at the same time?
Dec 30 12:39:29 * timely can't wait for a cat or baby to try to sit on it
Dec 30 12:39:40 <timely> or worse... a toddler
Dec 30 12:39:42 <timely> or a dog
Dec 30 12:39:59 <RST38h> Shadow: May I remind you of ThikPad butterfly?
Dec 30 12:40:02 <timely> and if you aren't careful and it falls on the floor and you step on it
Dec 30 12:40:08 <ShadowJK> thinkpad butterfly?
Dec 30 12:40:11 <RST38h> Shadow: Or a stowaway bt keyboard?
Dec 30 12:40:23 <t_s_o> hey, the dick tracy watch is finaly here: http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/lggd910_3g_wrist_phone.html
Dec 30 12:40:33 <timely> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_keyboard
Dec 30 12:40:53 <ShadowJK> timely, maybe it's best to equip your toddlers and dogs with: http://www.retrobrick.com/mobira.html
Dec 30 12:40:53 <RST38h> t_s_o: You can buy one right now, albeit from a much smaller chinese manufacturer
Dec 30 12:41:09 <t_s_o> does it come with camera and hsdpa?
Dec 30 12:41:14 <RST38h> t_s_o: Would be a good companion for an N810, providing GPRS or 3G uplink
Dec 30 12:41:24 <RST38h> t_s_O: Yes on camera, no on 3G
Dec 30 12:41:40 <t_s_o> well the LG one will have hsdpa...
Dec 30 12:41:52 <timely> RST38h: how good is the text to speech for Korean/Japanese? :)
Dec 30 12:42:01 <RST38h> Shadow: basically, hinged, foldout designs have been there before, none of them very successful
Dec 30 12:42:18 <RST38h> Do I look like a Korean to you?
Dec 30 12:42:52 <ShadowJK> aw, it's awesome on E70 and 6820
Dec 30 12:43:04 <timely> you look like a bunch of unpronounceable letters.. seems pretty korean to me :)
Dec 30 12:43:08 <ShadowJK> Adding another hinge would let the device shrink in length too
Dec 30 12:43:10 <RST38h> Shadow: E70 - briefly produced and terminated, never to resurface again =(
Dec 30 12:43:40 <RST38h> Shadow: besides, E70 isn't really a hinge =)
Dec 30 12:43:59 <ShadowJK> and 6820 has survived for over 2 years with my father, who usually wears out all kinds of phones in less than a year :-)
Dec 30 12:44:28 * RST38h still wants an updated E70 (so that I can retire my current one)
Dec 30 12:44:32 <t_s_o> who the fuck puts a orcestra concert on autoplay on their front page?!
Dec 30 12:44:37 <timely> ShadowJK: wow, at ~140 EUR, that looks like a decent phone
Dec 30 12:45:02 <qwerty12_N800> t_s_o, volume on full? :)
Dec 30 12:45:07 <RST38h> t_s_o: That is nothign in comparison with what Nokia did to their N-series page
Dec 30 12:45:09 * timely wants to kill nokia
Dec 30 12:45:13 <timely> the e70 page uses java
Dec 30 12:45:16 <timely> http://europe.nokia.com/A4142093
Dec 30 12:45:19 <t_s_o> qwerty12_N800: not really, but high enough to scare
Dec 30 12:45:21 <timely> what kind of *stupid*...
Dec 30 12:45:32 <qwerty12_N800> t_s_o, heh :/
Dec 30 12:45:45 <RST38h> t_s_o: Where it made reeeeally quiet reeeeally insidious beeping noises every now and then
Dec 30 12:45:46 <t_s_o> RST38h: http://www.lg.co.kr/
Dec 30 12:45:53 <timely> RST38h: the nseries start pages were really impressive
Dec 30 12:46:00 <RST38h> t_s_o: I almost went nuts
Dec 30 12:46:08 * timely still remembers talking to maemo marketing about the next browser home page
Dec 30 12:46:30 <ShadowJK> I think I first encountered webpages with soundtracks 10 years ago. I've made sure to never surf with a browser that knows how to play that shit since then
Dec 30 12:46:30 <timely> they noticed the nseries link and said something like "we have a link to nseries? that page doesn't work on our devices"
Dec 30 12:46:42 <timely> ShadowJK: um.. careful
Dec 30 12:46:56 <t_s_o> let me guess, the marketing droids wanted a full show and dance number on the start page...
Dec 30 12:47:03 <RST38h> Shadow: Funny, that is exactly how I feel about embedded videos :)
Dec 30 12:47:04 <timely> your next browser from Opera, Apple, Mozilla, or Nokia will almost certainly support <audio> and <video>
Dec 30 12:47:15 <qwerty12_N800> t_s_o, my tablet's browser is protecting me it seems :)
Dec 30 12:47:25 <timely> t_s_o: two different groups of marketing droids
Dec 30 12:47:28 <t_s_o> qwerty12_N800: be very very glad :P
Dec 30 12:47:33 <timely> but yes, one seems to love song and dance
Dec 30 12:47:36 <qwerty12_N800> hehe :D
Dec 30 12:47:39 <timely> and doesn't care if it uses ~200mb of ram
Dec 30 12:47:42 <timely> <gah>
Dec 30 12:47:46 <t_s_o> timeless: hmm, a marketing civil war, better take cover then...
Dec 30 12:47:56 <timely> t_s_o: i was proud of my droids
Dec 30 12:48:02 <ShadowJK> 200 megs of ram and a 0.234 fps jitterfest of images
Dec 30 12:48:04 <timely> they recognized the problem and proposed/approved a solution
Dec 30 12:48:12 <timely> the right droids won (for once)
Dec 30 12:48:20 <t_s_o> hrmf, didnt watch my tab complete close enough there...
Dec 30 12:48:23 <andre__> someone hand over that orchestra please. i've ordered it.
Dec 30 12:48:24 <timely> these *are* the droid's your looking for
Dec 30 12:48:43 * timely wonders about that java thing
Dec 30 12:48:49 <timely> oh well. i guess i've missed lunch
Dec 30 12:48:54 <timely> since it's 9til 3
Dec 30 12:49:09 <timely> andre__: do me a favor
Dec 30 12:49:13 * t_s_o had wanted to slap some designer page admin silly more then ones...
Dec 30 12:49:14 <timely> change your device name to "$"
Dec 30 12:49:26 <timely> t_s_o =~ s/ones/once/ ?
Dec 30 12:49:37 <t_s_o> probably...
Dec 30 12:49:40 <andre__> let me reboot quickly (just installing updates)
Dec 30 12:49:47 <timely> s/then/than/
Dec 30 12:50:02 <t_s_o> heh
Dec 30 12:50:16 <timely> andre__: while you're at it, try "'", '"', "\", "`"
Dec 30 12:50:44 <timely> then try some russian, japanese, chinese, and korean characters :)
Dec 30 12:50:47 <ShadowJK> Did anyone see that double-folding thing implies folding screen? :-)
Dec 30 12:50:51 <t_s_o> i keep bumping into full page flash when all i want is to read up on some product details. and all the flash does is show a slideshow and play some music in the background...
Dec 30 12:50:51 <andre__> can i still use the device after that? :-P
Dec 30 12:50:58 <timely> andre__: no warranty :)
Dec 30 12:51:07 <timely> (seriously, i have no idea)
Dec 30 12:51:33 <t_s_o> btw, marketing droid from hell: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20081230
Dec 30 12:51:46 <timely> it looks like if you use "$USER" or something you might get something "interesting" (like 'user')
Dec 30 12:53:29 <timely> andre__: you're of course forgiven for not knowing how to get chinese/japanese characters into there. but you should be able to get them from wikipedia :)
Dec 30 12:53:31 <t_s_o> heh, something tells me a dart board with a printout of stef's face nailed to it should be on every engineers wall
Dec 30 12:55:18 <andre__> hmm, just "$" seems to work (CP > BT > Device Name = "$")
Dec 30 12:55:39 <timely> did you look at it from another device?
Dec 30 12:55:44 <timely> i'm not actually expecting it to crash
Dec 30 12:56:09 <andre__> well, what *exactly* to test? ;-)
Dec 30 12:56:27 <timely> mostly can you use those names
Dec 30 12:56:34 <timely> i'm not really expecting it to crash
Dec 30 12:56:47 <timely> the question is basically what sort of stuff should i complain about for bug 2758 :)
Dec 30 13:03:34 <timely> andre__: anyway. thanks
Dec 30 13:03:39 <timely> mischief managed :)
Dec 30 13:04:54 * RST38h wonders what exactly the purpose of obfuscating the nature of a bug report is
Dec 30 13:05:14 <RST38h> The guy clearly says: when the name is entered for the first time, set your hostname to it
Dec 30 13:05:51 <RST38h> Hostnames are, if I remember correctly, supposed to be plain ASCII, that is alphanumerics and a few other symbols like _
Dec 30 13:05:53 <timely> RST38h: the purpose of a bug report eventually is to suggest a fix
Dec 30 13:06:00 <timely> and wrt ascii
Dec 30 13:06:04 <timely> that's totally wrong today
Dec 30 13:06:07 <timely> google punicode
Dec 30 13:06:17 <RST38h> A "fix" here is to set device's name in hostnames
Dec 30 13:06:22 <timely> no
Dec 30 13:06:35 <timely> a fix here is to change the info text to indicate it's only bluetooth
Dec 30 13:06:47 <timely> the alternative is terribly complicated and is most certainly not an "easy" fix
Dec 30 13:06:52 <RST38h> Oh well.
Dec 30 13:06:57 <timely> if you want something changed
Dec 30 13:07:01 <timely> go write a complete spec
Dec 30 13:07:03 <timely> and then implement it
Dec 30 13:07:09 <timely> and i'll see about getting it in
Dec 30 13:07:16 <timely> come back to me w/ the impl :)
Dec 30 13:07:27 <timely> (please limit the number of bugs you include :)
Dec 30 13:07:39 * RST38h reminds himself he shouldn't really talk to timeless.
Dec 30 13:07:43 <timely> 1 per 20 lines of code sounds reasonable :)
Dec 30 13:08:20 <timely> RST38h: please keep in mind that in the end atm you need to change a specification
Dec 30 13:08:27 <timely> which means you need to provide a replacement specification
Dec 30 13:08:46 <timely> the simplest behavior for a spec owner to take is to ignore your complaint
Dec 30 13:08:58 <timely> and the simplest behavior for a code owner to take is to say "i did what the spec says"
Dec 30 13:09:17 <timely> note that andre__ indicated he could set his device name to '$'
Dec 30 13:09:34 <timely> i'm not certain, but i suspect that your computer or someone else would be moderately annoyed if it was named '$'
Dec 30 13:10:05 <timely> supposing we decided to limit the valid characters that you could use in device name
Dec 30 13:10:12 <timely> to only those which were also legal for hostnames
Dec 30 13:10:30 <timely> would it shock you when someone filed a bug saying "why can't i set my bluetooth hostname to $"
Dec 30 13:10:43 <Stskeeps> nop
Dec 30 13:10:43 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 30 13:10:44 <timely> where $ is one of those legal bluetooth names which is not a legal hostname ...
Dec 30 13:12:26 <RST38h> Hehehehehe: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/12/mspaygo.jpg
Dec 30 13:12:35 <RST38h> Behold the Windows of tomorrow!
Dec 30 13:14:51 <Stskeeps> RST38h: well. with seamless adaptation of computing resources in the environment.. maybe
Dec 30 13:15:13 <RST38h> Sts: What exactly do you mean by this? =)
Dec 30 13:15:19 <timely> http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/12/22/9244583.aspx
Dec 30 13:15:59 <Stskeeps> RST38h: well. the idea of cyber foraging. when nearby stronger CPU your mobile device can utilize that stronger CPU. and there would of course be a micropayment related to CPU time used..
Dec 30 13:16:04 <Stskeeps>  / resources
Dec 30 13:16:26 <RST38h> Sts: Ah, that is not practically feasible
Dec 30 13:16:52 <RST38h> Sts: CPU isn't really a bottleneck in your mobile device
Dec 30 13:17:11 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 30 13:17:18 <RST38h> Sts: And you can't rent screen estate, battery life, and usable keyboard this way
Dec 30 13:17:18 <Stskeeps> let's say with heavy lifting stuff
Dec 30 13:17:26 <timely> RST38h: for a more topical example of specifications and why they're hard...
Dec 30 13:17:26 <timely> http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/12/15/9216764.aspx
Dec 30 13:17:30 <RST38h> Sts: *what* heavy lifting stuff? Molecular modeling?
Dec 30 13:17:37 <timely> (and yes, i know it's applicable to microb, i need to talk to eero about it today)
Dec 30 13:17:38 <RST38h> Sts: DNA decryption?
Dec 30 13:18:29 <Stskeeps> RST38h: speech recognition, image processing, video encoding..
Dec 30 13:18:55 <Stskeeps> i would prefer a low-speed cpu on a mobile device and use my existing machines for the heavy lifting
Dec 30 13:19:03 <RST38h> Sts: Do you suggest to pay specifically for speech recognition in your mobile device?
Dec 30 13:19:48 <RST38h> Sts: For image processing and video encoding the main problem is the amount of data. Do you intend to transfer all this data over the air from your mobile device to a Microsoft server, pay for processing, and then transfer reencoded stuff back?
Dec 30 13:19:56 <glass> speech dialing is already in mobiles
Dec 30 13:20:05 <timely> glass: has been since at least 2001
Dec 30 13:20:12 <timely> however, IME it's gotten worse over time :)
Dec 30 13:20:24 <glass> timely: well that was recorded-matching
Dec 30 13:20:31 <Stskeeps> RST38h: some things are feasible, some are not
Dec 30 13:21:03 <glass> Stskeeps: intentionally using crap hw that doesn't really cost any less has no point
Dec 30 13:21:15 <RST38h> Sts: The main notion here is that there are *no* (as in "none") applications for which you would want to rent external computing resources
Dec 30 13:21:36 <glass> if you wish, you can(rent resources)
Dec 30 13:21:39 <glass> fairly easily
Dec 30 13:21:41 <RST38h> Sts: Now, if Microsoft starts giving away $100 PCs and then charge you for using word processor, that is a real application of course
Dec 30 13:22:20 <RST38h> Sts: But it is pointless unless you 1) close off all other sources of hardware or 2) stop making word processor available on any other hardware
Dec 30 13:22:42 <Stskeeps> well, it could make sense to make cheap, mobile devices, that can live off the land :P
Dec 30 13:22:49 <glass> RST38h: well, a word processor that came with your own chinese typing slave would be fun i guess
Dec 30 13:22:51 <Stskeeps> instead of dragging around a powerhouse
Dec 30 13:22:56 <glass> RST38h: 1$ per hour would do it
Dec 30 13:23:12 <RST38h> glass: Yea, but I won't need Microsoft to hire one =)
Dec 30 13:23:28 <RST38h> Sts: battery. screen size. input abilities.
Dec 30 13:23:41 <glass> Stskeeps: the amount of cpu needed to display stuff smoothly is so big that the application logic compared to that is small
Dec 30 13:24:02 <RST38h> glass: s/stuff/video
Dec 30 13:24:09 <glass> well doh
Dec 30 13:24:23 <glass> who'd buy a device that doesn't play video if 30$ chinese mp4 players do it
Dec 30 13:24:26 <RST38h> Static graphics does not require much (and that is how J2ME is still with us)
Dec 30 13:24:42 <glass> j2me can do a lot of smooth suff on modern phones..
Dec 30 13:24:48 * RST38h publicly admits that he has watched exactly 1 (one) video on his N810
Dec 30 13:24:51 <glass> and on old s40's too
Dec 30 13:24:54 <glass> if you code it right
Dec 30 13:24:59 <glass> most games are crappily coded
Dec 30 13:25:01 <RST38h> glass: None of it is in actual j2me though ;)))
Dec 30 13:25:12 <glass> RST38h: no no.. framebuffer efects can be done
Dec 30 13:25:13 <RST38h> glass: it is all in the native layer
Dec 30 13:25:43 <glass> RST38h: pixel manipulation fullscreen rotozoomer is doable at 20fps++ on even oldest s40's, the screen is so slow though that it gets blurry
Dec 30 13:26:03 <RST38h> glass: well, older S40 have what? 128x96 pixels
Dec 30 13:26:04 <glass> RST38h: doing the effect to a bytebuffer and blitting it
Dec 30 13:26:04 <RST38h> ?
Dec 30 13:26:08 <glass> 128x128
Dec 30 13:26:14 <glass> RST38h: but on bigger too
Dec 30 13:26:27 <RST38h> glass: Sinclair ZX Spectrum had 256x192 and could do it
Dec 30 13:26:50 <RST38h> glass: So, yes, in some very special cases, you can do it :)
Dec 30 13:26:51 <glass> RST38h: yeah, but the point is here, that you don't need any fancy tricks really. not that fancy anyways
Dec 30 13:27:09 <glass> RST38h: but most real coders don't bother with j2me
Dec 30 13:27:16 <RST38h> glass: Fortunately.
Dec 30 13:27:22 <glass> RST38h: i've done some j2me game coding, it's fun
Dec 30 13:27:40 <glass> hence my comment about most j2me games being crappily coded
Dec 30 13:27:49 <glass> because they are
Dec 30 13:27:54 * RST38h has done some j2me vm optimization and it is total, obvious crap
Dec 30 13:28:18 <glass> RST38h: i switched to native symbian from it tho
Dec 30 13:28:24 <glass> RST38h: and then got hired to do symbian dev..
Dec 30 13:28:25 <RST38h> To add insult to the injury, Sun claims j2me ref implementation to be "open source" but "forgets" to include the SSL sources
Dec 30 13:28:29 <glass> hah
Dec 30 13:28:53 <RST38h> When you contact them, they say it is due to "US export restrictions" which is obvious bullshit in the case of SSL
Dec 30 13:29:04 <Stskeeps> sure? isn't it still enforced with iraq, etc?
Dec 30 13:29:08 <glass> ref implementation doesn't matter.       the implementations that manufacturers put in phones matter..
Dec 30 13:29:10 <ShadowJK> I saw a video of someone doing streaming video on his zx spectrum
Dec 30 13:29:14 <ShadowJK> built his own ethernet card
Dec 30 13:29:21 <glass> ShadowJK: heh
Dec 30 13:29:24 <RST38h> glass: Ah, believe me, they all put the ref impl
Dec 30 13:29:31 <glass> RST38h: .. no.
Dec 30 13:29:35 <RST38h> glass: Unless they have $50k to pay to Esmertec
Dec 30 13:29:44 <RST38h> Or a bigger amount to pay to some other company
Dec 30 13:29:44 <timely> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU
Dec 30 13:29:45 <glass> RST38h: 50k is peanuts you know
Dec 30 13:29:54 * timely wants to see someone do that w/ osso-sketch
Dec 30 13:29:54 <RST38h> glass: To whom how
Dec 30 13:29:59 <glass> RST38h: and the ones whos implementations matter are nokia and se, really
Dec 30 13:30:09 <RST38h> glass: Actually, for small chinese manufacturers it is a lot
Dec 30 13:30:14 <glass> yeah but who cares?
Dec 30 13:30:28 <RST38h> glass: Let me see...Nokia... E70, a high end phone...
Dec 30 13:30:40 <RST38h> glass: Guess how well it runs J2ME apps? ;)
Dec 30 13:30:40 <glass> RST38h: not exactly reference implementation
Dec 30 13:30:49 <RST38h> glass: About the same speed really
Dec 30 13:30:50 <glass> RST38h: pretty well actually
Dec 30 13:30:59 <RST38h> glass: Have you tried? ;)
Dec 30 13:31:05 <glass> RST38h: yes
Dec 30 13:31:11 <glass> RST38h: i got 10 phones in the friggin drawer
Dec 30 13:31:14 <RST38h> glass: What have you tried?
Dec 30 13:31:35 <glass> RST38h: want a crappy demo i coded whilst drunk at a scene party?
Dec 30 13:31:41 <glass> RST38h: it should run on e70 fine
Dec 30 13:31:54 <RST38h> glass: No, I am not taking crappy demos
Dec 30 13:31:58 <RST38h> talking
Dec 30 13:32:02 <ShadowJK> this is all a silly argument anyway. People always write slower and slower shit, it doesn't matter how fast your CPU is :-(
Dec 30 13:32:02 <glass> then what?
Dec 30 13:32:08 <RST38h> glass: Let us say...SimCity?
Dec 30 13:32:19 <glass> RST38h: simcity should be doable
Dec 30 13:32:27 <RST38h> Shadow: Putting a stack-based interpreter in the middle does not help :)
Dec 30 13:32:43 <glass> RST38h: want an asteroids clone that i coded 4 years ago that still runs on modern phones?
Dec 30 13:32:46 <suihkulokki> j2me is fast enough for gaming
Dec 30 13:32:48 <RST38h> glass: If you are willing to wait for your cursor to move across the screen for 5+ seconds, yes
Dec 30 13:32:53 <glass> what the fuck
Dec 30 13:32:55 <glass> man?
Dec 30 13:32:59 <glass> what are you talking about?
Dec 30 13:32:59 <suihkulokki> what kills gaming on phones is controls
Dec 30 13:33:14 <suihkulokki> most phones accept only one button down at a time
Dec 30 13:33:15 <RST38h> glass: off the shelf SimCity games in J2ME
Dec 30 13:33:22 <RST38h> glass: s/games/game
Dec 30 13:33:22 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 30 13:33:23 <glass> RST38h: they're shittily coded
Dec 30 13:33:27 <Stskeeps> i wouldn't mind simcity 2000 on my tablet
Dec 30 13:33:30 <glass> RST38h: i told you most j2me games are shittily coded
Dec 30 13:33:40 <ShadowJK> simcity was done in 32K ram on a 1MHz processor...
Dec 30 13:33:46 <RST38h> glass: Well... These are the only ones I have seen
Dec 30 13:33:56 <RST38h> Shadow: Not in Java though ;)
Dec 30 13:34:19 <RST38h> suihkulokki: This is not true for S60 phones
Dec 30 13:34:23 <glass> RST38h: give a spin on my asteroids game! i command you, jussin.net/~glass/klash/klash.jar
Dec 30 13:34:38 <ShadowJK> do you have a jad for it? :-)
Dec 30 13:34:38 <RST38h> suihkulokki: There are some restrictions on which buttons can be pressed at one time though
Dec 30 13:34:47 <ShadowJK> so I could just type in the URL in phone, etc
Dec 30 13:34:53 <glass> RST38h: thats why one needs to add key configuration to a game
Dec 30 13:35:06 <RST38h> glass: or come up with a universal config
Dec 30 13:35:08 <Jaffa> timely: sorry, that address bar bug is simple developer/spec writer mistake, or a lack of communication between them. Any time something which is user editable is automatically changed - especially after a potential delay - the developer should be asking, "what if the user's changed the contents?" The Right Answer (OTTOMH) is that the contents are stored at the start of the move, and compared with at the end of the move. If they are different, do not update.
Dec 30 13:35:11 <glass> RST38h: you can press many buttons(apart that the 4 way pad is just 4 way)
Dec 30 13:35:23 <glass> RST38h: there is no good universal config and the keys that the j2me libs return for game keys are crap
Dec 30 13:35:41 <RST38h> glass: well, my stuff is a bit different than j2me
Dec 30 13:35:42 <glass> RST38h: just run that klash.jar will you? plz
Dec 30 13:36:04 <RST38h> glass: lemme try
Dec 30 13:36:22 <Jaffa> timely: and (in the context of bug #2758), I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a "device name" prompt will result in some change in the DHCP request's device name field.
Dec 30 13:36:24 <glass> RST38h: mimetypes should be fine so should be fine to just type that address to browser
Dec 30 13:36:44 <RST38h> glass: Not really, not with E70 :)
Dec 30 13:36:55 <glass> it should e
Dec 30 13:36:56 <glass> it's with other
Dec 30 13:36:56 <RST38h> glass: I will have to install it
Dec 30 13:36:58 <glass> s60 3rds
Dec 30 13:37:07 <glass> yes, but the browser should launch the installer
Dec 30 13:37:09 <RST38h> glass: It is an old phone
Dec 30 13:37:13 <RST38h> let's see
Dec 30 13:37:18 <glass> e70 isn't old
Dec 30 13:37:21 <glass> i wrote that thing for 3650
Dec 30 13:37:30 * RST38h had 3650 too =)
Dec 30 13:37:45 <RST38h> and even 7650, although it was bought by a client
Dec 30 13:38:07 <ShadowJK> heck, if python can spin rainbow-coloured 3D cubes perfectly smoothly in OpenGL ES on my E70 that doesn't have HW accelerated opengl...
Dec 30 13:38:38 <RST38h> Shadow: A cube is 6 surfaces
Dec 30 13:38:42 <glass> RST38h: the symbian version of that game is 1st and 2nd ed s60 only
Dec 30 13:38:50 <RST38h> Shadow: Again, Sinclair does it, why not E70?
Dec 30 13:38:57 <glass> e70 does it
Dec 30 13:39:25 <RST38h> Shadow: BTW, the actual rendering is not done in Python. It's done in assembler or C
Dec 30 13:39:59 <RST38h> Shadow: But try a commercial J2ME game that uses 3D (OGL ES or pre-OGL ES, does not matter)
Dec 30 13:40:04 <glass> and fyi, flat shaded 3d cube with j2me with custom trifiller would be pretty doable and for a cube spinnner it would run just fine
Dec 30 13:40:08 <RST38h> Shadow: And see your E70 crawl at wonderful 1fps
Dec 30 13:40:26 <glass> RST38h: on phones without hw 3d you're better off using your own trifillers and such than opengl es
Dec 30 13:40:39 <ShadowJK> well duh, the people who wrote that targeted emulator on quad-core phenom ;-)
Dec 30 13:40:40 <glass> which is stupid
Dec 30 13:40:42 <glass> but true
Dec 30 13:40:53 <RST38h> not in Java though?
Dec 30 13:40:58 <glass> in java
Dec 30 13:41:08 <RST38h> urgh
Dec 30 13:41:15 <ShadowJK> I wonder if nokia uses jazella thingy
Dec 30 13:41:19 <glass> did you get the game installed?
Dec 30 13:41:24 <RST38h> E70 actually has a slight disadvantage of having more pixels to push
Dec 30 13:41:28 <RST38h> Shadow: Not in E70
Dec 30 13:41:31 <glass> ShadowJK: afaik it's not enabled on s60's
Dec 30 13:41:34 <RST38h> glass: yea
Dec 30 13:42:00 <RST38h> glass: faster N-series phones may use Jazelle - it would explain their much better performance
Dec 30 13:42:09 <glass> RST38h: they got different cpu
Dec 30 13:42:16 <glass> RST38h: afaik they don't use jazelle
Dec 30 13:42:22 <RST38h> glass: Weird...
Dec 30 13:42:37 <RST38h> maybe they just have a decent J2me implementation
Dec 30 13:42:48 <glass> yeah it's decent, and fast cpu's
Dec 30 13:43:14 <glass> what good is jazelle if you're running sub 100mhz or somthing... like some sammys
Dec 30 13:43:23 <ShadowJK> hehe, this thing is perfectly smooth
Dec 30 13:43:29 <glass> what?
Dec 30 13:43:31 <RST38h> The Klash thing is kinda sluggish
Dec 30 13:43:45 <ShadowJK> glass, klash thing
Dec 30 13:43:48 <glass> RST38h: the extra pixels perhaps
Dec 30 13:43:50 <RST38h> glass: Well, Java is basicaly memory bound
Dec 30 13:43:57 <glass> RST38h: not really on s60's
Dec 30 13:44:04 <glass> RST38h: you can have megabytes and megabytes
Dec 30 13:44:05 * ShadowJK is playing it on E70
Dec 30 13:44:08 <RST38h> glass: So, executing at least the core of it inside the CPU helps
Dec 30 13:44:18 <RST38h> glass: It avoids memory accesses
Dec 30 13:44:18 <glass> ah
Dec 30 13:44:26 <glass> you were talking of jazelle
Dec 30 13:44:36 <RST38h> glass: I know this because I had to optimize VGBA to run on S60
Dec 30 13:45:07 <glass> RST38h: maybe i should hook you up with a guy porting snesx?
Dec 30 13:45:13 <RST38h> glass: I made it ~4 times faster by optimizing CPU emulation in assembler to avoid memory accesses when possible
Dec 30 13:45:26 <glass> nice
Dec 30 13:45:40 <RST38h> glass: Not doing any external stuff. Just working for money + maintaining my own projects
Dec 30 13:45:42 <glass> ShadowJK: the symbian version is much better
Dec 30 13:45:59 <glass> RST38h: yeah but mind if i tell that you exist to him?
Dec 30 13:46:11 <ShadowJK> The only "sluggish" thing about it is the spaceship rotation, but that's probably deliberate because of the input constraints..
Dec 30 13:46:12 <glass> if he has some q's or such
Dec 30 13:46:15 <RST38h> glass: No problem at all - tak is cheap and I am always ready to give advice
Dec 30 13:46:22 <RST38h> s/tak/talk
Dec 30 13:46:27 <glass> ShadowJK: well it's a prerendered sip
Dec 30 13:46:40 <glass> RST38h: okays cool
Dec 30 13:46:50 <glass> +h
Dec 30 13:47:13 <glass> ShadowJK: i'm trying to find an artist to a tempest2000/asteroids mixup thingy game
Dec 30 13:47:42 <RST38h> glass: Sluggish rotation, huge rotation steps, the ship moves in noticeable increments
Dec 30 13:47:54 <RST38h> glass: In other words, a typical J2ME game
Dec 30 13:48:09 <glass> sluggish rotation is just matter of adding more steps
Dec 30 13:48:10 <RST38h> Not as bad as SimCity of course, but that one has much more job to do
Dec 30 13:48:20 <glass> i had to save memory to fit it under 128k (not sure ifthat jar is)
Dec 30 13:48:25 <RST38h> glass: I which case it will become smoother but more sluggish :)
Dec 30 13:48:38 <glass> RST38h: no it wouldnt be more sluggish
Dec 30 13:48:41 <ShadowJK> movement is smooth for me
Dec 30 13:48:45 <glass> RST38h: the .jar size was the constraint
Dec 30 13:48:57 <ShadowJK> E70 has "unlimited" jar size
Dec 30 13:48:58 <glass> RST38h: the higher resolution hurts though on e70
Dec 30 13:49:02 <RST38h> oh, precomputed frames...
Dec 30 13:49:05 <glass> yeah
Dec 30 13:49:06 <RST38h> glass: yep
Dec 30 13:49:15 <RST38h> 320x240 phones (E61) are somewhat faster
Dec 30 13:49:18 <glass> it was after all my first j2me game i put online for anyone anyways
Dec 30 13:49:23 * ShadowJK was playing it widescreen
Dec 30 13:49:32 <glass> and the code hasnt been touched in 4 years
Dec 30 13:49:47 <glass> it runs on other than nokias too
Dec 30 13:50:03 <glass> even though it uses nokias fullscreen lib if available
Dec 30 13:51:15 <glass> but the 128k size was because i wanted to see if it could run on 6230
Dec 30 13:51:16 <glass> it does
Dec 30 13:51:36 * ShadowJK has a 6230 too
Dec 30 13:51:38 <ShadowJK> how does it run there?
Dec 30 13:52:01 <glass> as smoothly
Dec 30 13:52:05 <glass> smoothly enough anyways
Dec 30 13:52:11 <glass> it has frameskip and throttling
Dec 30 13:52:11 * RST38h wonders if fMSX has a higher mips performance than J2me on these s60 phones =)
Dec 30 13:52:33 <glass> ShadowJK: http://jussin.net/~glass/klash/game.html  the symbian version was much cooler with sounds etc
Dec 30 13:52:45 <ShadowJK> s60 3rd ed?
Dec 30 13:52:56 <glass> no
Dec 30 13:53:01 <glass> haven't ported
Dec 30 13:53:03 <glass> 1st and 2nd
Dec 30 13:53:17 <glass> it assumes the old s60 screensize..
Dec 30 13:53:23 <glass> and the code is, well, butt ugly
Dec 30 13:53:52 <ShadowJK> I think E70 was only thing with its resolution :D
Dec 30 13:53:59 <glass> but anything from 7650 to n70
Dec 30 13:54:00 <RST38h> Shadow: N80 and E60
Dec 30 13:54:07 <RST38h> Both have the same display
Dec 30 13:54:18 <glass> yeah.. i guess it was an expensive display
Dec 30 13:54:24 <RST38h> It was an interim solution while Nokia switched from 176x208 to 320x240
Dec 30 13:54:26 <glass> nokia only res basically
Dec 30 14:10:24 <Ashetic> hello
Dec 30 14:10:56 <Ashetic> i have a nokia 770, what is the best choice to use it? sardine?
Dec 30 14:11:37 <RST38h> Either the latest official release or 2008 hacker edition
Dec 30 14:12:13 <Ashetic> i think i'll try the 2008 he...
Dec 30 14:12:21 <RST38h> Depends on your desire to have close sexual intercourse with it or just "having it just work"
Dec 30 14:12:40 <Ashetic> i need to have it work "fairly good" with mono :)
Dec 30 14:13:03 <Ashetic> i think 2008 he is the right choice?
Dec 30 14:13:18 <RST38h> Yep
Dec 30 14:13:20 <Ashetic> what are those "sardine", "diablo" and "chinook" things?
Dec 30 14:13:34 <RST38h> Chinook is the original 2008
Dec 30 14:13:55 <RST38h> Diablo is a slightly upgraded 2008 that allows incremental system updates
Dec 30 14:14:15 <RST38h> The names themselves are wind names
Dec 30 14:15:19 <Ashetic> thanks
Dec 30 14:29:47 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: any way to disable perl redirection?
Dec 30 14:30:47 <qwerty12_N800> export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl ;  export PATH=/usr/bin/:$PATH
Dec 30 14:31:34 <Stskeeps> k, ta
Dec 30 14:31:51 <qwerty12_N800> libperl is a bitch though, at least in Maemo, xchat wouldn't link against  it properly
Dec 30 14:50:23 * Stskeeps ponders how to go about a CAL information request
Dec 30 14:58:56 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: can you give me some reasons why CAL would be useful to have?
Dec 30 15:00:29 * alterego contemplates error management in his plugin loader ..
Dec 30 15:00:48 <Stskeeps> also, why isn't there a "hardware" bug category? :P
Dec 30 15:00:59 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, permanent mac address spoofing, change wifi bands, edit partition layout. let me dump cal and come up with more
Dec 30 15:01:22 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: right, i think i'll stick with "edit partition layout", as the others will get the liability out of the pockets..
Dec 30 15:01:37 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, yeah...
Dec 30 15:02:12 <qwerty12_N800> toggle rd-mode from tablet (dunno if noa would like that one...)
Dec 30 15:02:24 <qwerty12_N800> s/noa/nokia/
Dec 30 15:02:25 <Stskeeps> i'm thinking to have a strategy saying "We would like to know the CAL format. Our specific interest is the format itself, not the individual pieces, excepting the following items, associated with technical reasons
Dec 30 15:02:26 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: toggle rd-mode from tablet (dunno if nokia would like that one...)
Dec 30 15:10:00 <alterego> Hmmm, where's the site that allows you to search maemo headers and stuff? I need to know where HD_DESKTOP_MODULE_PATH is defined ..
Dec 30 15:10:34 <qwerty12_N800> http://mxr.maemo.org :)
Dec 30 15:10:41 <alterego> Thanks qwerty12_N800 :)
Dec 30 15:11:25 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: does flasher edit CAL?
Dec 30 15:11:46 <Stskeeps> because as i see it, we don't flash those parts from a FIASCO image?
Dec 30 15:12:21 <alterego> Ah, it's a compiler flag :)
Dec 30 15:12:30 <alterego> No wonder I couldn't find it in the headers ^_^
Dec 30 15:12:35 <alterego> Thanks qwerty12_N800 :D
Dec 30 15:12:41 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, Windows flasher does definatly and linux one must do or how would partition table get changed when updating from chinook to diablo?
Dec 30 15:12:50 <qwerty12_N800> alterego, no problem :)
Dec 30 15:13:03 <alterego> Does czr come on much anymore?
Dec 30 15:13:08 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: true
Dec 30 15:13:17 <qwerty12_N800> ~seen czr
Dec 30 15:13:18 <infobot> czr <n=czr@a88-114-233-219.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 222d 8h 3m 33s ago, saying: 'us bakeries on average suck :-)'.
Dec 30 15:13:29 <qwerty12_N800> Guess not :/
Dec 30 15:13:30 <alterego> Obviously not :/
Dec 30 15:13:36 * alterego weeps.
Dec 30 15:13:43 <b-man> lol
Dec 30 15:14:01 <Stskeeps> b-man: -v0.4 is up now and slightly more sane, btw
Dec 30 15:14:46 <b-man> ok, btw, i'll send you the updated installer in an hour or so.
Dec 30 15:15:02 <b-man> i just got out of bed
Dec 30 15:15:14 * Jaffa references https://bugs.maemo.org/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.html in an internal document on raising JIRA issues
Dec 30 15:17:05 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i wonder if it would simply be better to take the CAL discussion together with "opening the flasher"
Dec 30 15:18:41 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, I don't even know where that is going though. Eero may be nice and give us some info anyway if it's filed separately
Dec 30 15:18:53 <Stskeeps> yeah, true
Dec 30 15:19:15 <b-man> @ Stskeeps: i also fixed a wget/mount problem in the imager so you shuld not run into any more problems with the simple installer.
Dec 30 15:19:26 <Stskeeps> b-man: sounds good
Dec 30 15:24:31 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i think i'll try to twist it so it's about partioning
Dec 30 15:25:07 <qwerty12_N800> yep, WORKSFORME ;P
Dec 30 15:49:45 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: they're releasing fiasco-gen so I think we'll get part of the info there
Dec 30 15:50:00 <Stskeeps> it is not useful to edit partition information from within OS
Dec 30 15:50:46 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, yeah, don't think i'd want to :P
Dec 30 15:50:57 <alterego> Ergh, all this glib stuff is making my head dizzy.
Dec 30 15:59:22 <lcuk> oh ffs im in trouble
Dec 30 15:59:49 <alterego> Uh-Oh
Dec 30 15:59:52 <qwerty12> Sounds ominous :/
Dec 30 16:00:13 <lcuk> yeah, wifey aint impressed with me :)
Dec 30 16:00:49 <Khertan> Hello !
Dec 30 16:00:50 <lcuk> i thought i'd be nice and pick her up some upgrades for her 'pooter.  for years shes had the same model and everything as me
Dec 30 16:00:55 <lcuk> Hello! khertan
Dec 30 16:01:06 <qwerty12> Hi Khertan :)
Dec 30 16:01:07 <alterego> Hey Khertan :)
Dec 30 16:01:21 <Stskeeps> lcuk: and you get blamed it's a gift for you, not her? :P
Dec 30 16:01:25 <b-man> hello, Khertan
Dec 30 16:01:30 <Khertan> Hello lcuk, qwerty12 and alterego ... ! and b-man !
Dec 30 16:01:32 <Khertan> :)
Dec 30 16:01:39 <alterego> :)
Dec 30 16:01:41 <lcuk> Stskeeps, uh huh, the nice new dual core and memory only fits in mine
Dec 30 16:01:50 <qwerty12> ha
Dec 30 16:01:56 <Stskeeps> lcuk: switcheroo? :P
Dec 30 16:01:57 <qwerty12> Swap computers? :D
Dec 30 16:02:14 <Khertan> Stskeeps: you are the guy behind the mer screenshots ? isn't it ?
Dec 30 16:02:24 <lcuk> heh, not on your nelly i have more memory and expansion
Dec 30 16:02:32 <lcuk> ive just got her to run out and grab a new mobo
Dec 30 16:02:52 <lcuk> but its a bit more hassle than bish bash bosh - woo hoo new fast sims
Dec 30 16:03:15 <Stskeeps> Khertan: nop, actually it's Meiz
Dec 30 16:03:28 <b-man> Stskeeps, you can check your e-mail now ;) - btw, i forgot to put a 4.0 in the wget url so you will have to do that, sorry :P.
Dec 30 16:03:30 <lcuk> she is still shouting even though i said get mobo and i wont upgrade mine
Dec 30 16:03:33 <Stskeeps> i have very few screenshots of myself
Dec 30 16:03:43 <Stskeeps> ..from myself
Dec 30 16:03:50 <lcuk> you break the camera
Dec 30 16:03:55 <Khertan> ok
Dec 30 16:04:02 <lcuk> oh ffs, shes took my nokia with her as well
Dec 30 16:04:20 <Khertan> because i ve a question about what is planned to use as launcher by default ...
Dec 30 16:04:27 <qwerty12> lcuk, THERE's NO ESCAPE NOW! MUAHAHAHAHAHA :p
Dec 30 16:04:48 <b-man> lol
Dec 30 16:05:00 <Stskeeps> Khertan: define launcher?
Dec 30 16:05:01 <lcuk> Khertan, arent we having a nice fancy clutter/liqbase-esq one? :D
Dec 30 16:05:23 <alterego> I wish I hadn't lost that source :(
Dec 30 16:05:38 <lcuk> Khertan, have you seen this: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/new-year-countdown-series-8/
Dec 30 16:05:57 <Stskeeps> Khertan: and anything that will work well, look pretty, and doesn't require opengl es
Dec 30 16:06:10 <Khertan> Application launchers provide a convenient access point for application software
Dec 30 16:06:36 <Khertan> lcuk: no ;) i don't like counter
Dec 30 16:06:49 <lcuk> counter?
Dec 30 16:07:02 <Khertan> ho ! why does it use a so stupid title .... countdown ...
Dec 30 16:07:11 <Stskeeps> Khertan: newyears :P
Dec 30 16:07:26 <Khertan> i think it was something about a apps to count day until new year
Dec 30 16:07:28 <lcuk> series of related articles
Dec 30 16:07:30 <b-man> Stskeeps, it looks like fatalsaint sent me a pm telling me
Dec 30 16:07:33 <lcuk> like the christmas lectures
Dec 30 16:07:46 <b-man> edit:ahhh stupid keyboard!
Dec 30 16:08:48 <Stskeeps> b-man: test with 4.0 if it works and get the usual suspects to test it out i guess.. if you can make a deb it would be good too
Dec 30 16:08:54 <Stskeeps> so it drags in gnutar and such
Dec 30 16:09:21 <b-man> anywase, fatalsaint sent me a message telling me that he's interested in porting some packages from Deblet to Mer.
Dec 30 16:09:31 <Stskeeps> alright
Dec 30 16:09:39 <Stskeeps> he just got it running (Mer), so
Dec 30 16:11:00 <b-man> Stskeeps, i'll also look at making the installer into a deb to ;)
Dec 30 16:11:06 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 30 16:11:12 <Stskeeps> and try to seperate it from the imager, if possible
Dec 30 16:11:25 <Stskeeps> it will cause too many dependancies otherwise, so
Dec 30 16:12:07 <b-man> the bootstrap option kinda relys on it though.. :(
Dec 30 16:12:15 <Khertan> i m back
Dec 30 16:12:23 <Stskeeps> yeah, but we don't need it at the moment.. if someone wants the bootstrap, they can dl it
Dec 30 16:12:32 <b-man> k
Dec 30 16:12:57 <Khertan> i like a vision of a launcher like this one http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/new-year-countdown-series-8/
Dec 30 16:12:58 <bakarat> with maemo mapper, is it possible to download the necessary maps for a rather large area? (on the road i don't exactly have internet connection)
Dec 30 16:13:33 <Stskeeps> Khertan: code it? :>
Dec 30 16:13:45 <Stskeeps> wazd's good at design, he needs other people to code it
Dec 30 16:13:50 <Khertan> Stskeeps > i was looking to do it
Dec 30 16:13:55 <Khertan> since this morning
Dec 30 16:14:13 <Stskeeps> the layout with top bar and such is easy to work with, so
Dec 30 16:14:14 <Khertan> but i can't do that in gtk
Dec 30 16:14:15 <bakarat> also, what sort of ratio for "land mass" vs "file size" should i expect? how much territory can i reasonably store offline?
Dec 30 16:14:36 <Khertan> so i think i should use pygame
Dec 30 16:14:42 <Stskeeps> Khertan: hmm..
Dec 30 16:14:48 <Stskeeps> Khertan: the new hildon widgets may help you
Dec 30 16:14:52 <Khertan> as edje is an horrible things for me
Dec 30 16:14:57 <Stskeeps> pannable area is definately a nice thing
Dec 30 16:15:07 <Khertan> Stskeeps > which new hildon widget ?
Dec 30 16:15:13 <Khertan> this is not available yet
Dec 30 16:15:16 <Stskeeps> sure they are
Dec 30 16:15:27 <Khertan> at least not in the current diablo release
Dec 30 16:15:33 <Khertan> only in the sdk
Dec 30 16:15:38 <Stskeeps> not in diablo, but they are in Mer, which uses fremantle SDK components
Dec 30 16:15:42 <Stskeeps> it's updated touch stuff, so
Dec 30 16:15:55 <Khertan> hum ....
Dec 30 16:16:04 <Khertan> and python binding are available ?
Dec 30 16:16:11 <Stskeeps> i suspect they're not difficult to make
Dec 30 16:16:46 <Khertan> yep ... but can't with a tablet
Dec 30 16:16:57 <Khertan> (i don't have the time to do it on my computer)
Dec 30 16:17:07 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 30 16:17:07 <RST38h> moo, khertan
Dec 30 16:17:15 <Khertan> boo RST38h
Dec 30 16:17:20 <Stskeeps> Mer initial images should start popping out soon, so
Dec 30 16:17:26 <Khertan> great :
Dec 30 16:17:28 <Khertan> :)
Dec 30 16:17:54 <Stskeeps> gah, where was yerga's widget screenshots?
Dec 30 16:18:15 <Khertan> i ve see it ... but without theme ... not really impressive
Dec 30 16:18:26 <Stskeeps> file chooser is a lot nicer :P
Dec 30 16:18:43 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, http://share.ovi.com/channel/yerga.Hildonwidgets?page=1&sort=1 - knock yourself out ;)
Dec 30 16:18:49 <Stskeeps> thanks
Dec 30 16:21:25 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: still weird your mer install doesn't boot
Dec 30 16:21:26 <Khertan> thanks
Dec 30 16:22:14 <Khertan> lol i don't recognize any file chooser
Dec 30 16:22:20 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yeah :), but I think my initfs is pretty weird though (i use it more for recovery tbh)
Dec 30 16:22:39 <Stskeeps> Khertan: http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11985
Dec 30 16:22:43 <Khertan> http://share.ovi.com/media/yerga.Hildonwidgets/yerga.11985
Dec 30 16:22:47 <Khertan> yep found
Dec 30 16:22:49 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 30 16:23:01 <Stskeeps> kinetic scrolling and all
Dec 30 16:24:49 <alterego> Hopefully the next tablet wont have the screen tearing issue that makes kinetic scrolling ugly :P
Dec 30 16:25:09 <qwerty12> Nah, I don't think nokia are going with the cheap option with the next option ;)
Dec 30 16:25:14 <qwerty12> *tablet even
Dec 30 16:25:58 <alterego> Heh
Dec 30 16:26:12 <alterego> Lets hope I can afford one then ^_^
Dec 30 16:26:33 <qwerty12> Get yer karma up and get one cheap, being a developer and all :)
Dec 30 16:26:46 <alterego> My karme is pretty low, 89.
Dec 30 16:26:51 <alterego> ~karma
Dec 30 16:26:51 <infobot> alterego has neutral karma
Dec 30 16:26:58 <alterego> O_O
Dec 30 16:27:01 <qwerty12> Heh
Dec 30 16:27:08 <Stskeeps> ~karma
Dec 30 16:27:08 <infobot> stskeeps has neutral karma
Dec 30 16:27:13 <qwerty12> ~karma
Dec 30 16:27:24 <qwerty12> ha, figures, guess I don't have any at all :P
Dec 30 16:27:25 <alterego> I'm probably on the last page of that user list.
Dec 30 16:28:14 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, hacked xchat up nicely so it compiles straight. Let me make src packages and I'll shove it into incoming
Dec 30 16:28:21 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: alright, ta
Dec 30 16:29:33 <alterego> Yeah, there's no way I'm gonna have the karma for the developer programme :/
Dec 30 16:29:59 <qwerty12> Sucks :(
Dec 30 16:29:59 <alterego> Interesting, my karma has risen to 97 according to the user list.
Dec 30 16:30:41 <alterego> Ah, my blog posts ::)
Dec 30 16:30:57 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 30 16:31:08 <lcuk> ooooh no, now shes PISSED.  shop doesnt have things in stock
Dec 30 16:31:25 * Stskeeps passes lcuk the key to the bathroom (the mancave to hide in)
Dec 30 16:31:26 <qwerty12> Ha, #14 :P
Dec 30 16:31:53 <RST38h> lcuk: blame crisis!
Dec 30 16:32:19 <qwerty12> lcuk, tell her to play the sims :-)
Dec 30 16:32:20 <RST38h> sts <-- knows all the right places
Dec 30 16:32:30 <lcuk> for some reason she shouted louder when i said "ahhh well, have to put em in mine then"
Dec 30 16:32:42 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: after the current build i'll just give you access to merbuilder
Dec 30 16:32:47 <disco_stu> is someone using scratchbox (chinook) ?
Dec 30 16:32:50 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, thanks
Dec 30 16:32:53 <qwerty12> disco_stu, used to
Dec 30 16:33:11 <RST38h> $830 netbook sleeve
Dec 30 16:33:11 <disco_stu> qwerty12: well i cant update my pkg list
Dec 30 16:33:17 * lcuk considers selling off #liqbase  it needs tlc 
Dec 30 16:33:26 <disco_stu> qwerty12: i need python with glade support on it
Dec 30 16:33:33 <RST38h> now, THAT is one hell of a gift :)
Dec 30 16:33:35 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, let me sort out a little problem, locales are installing in debian/tmp@localedir@/ instead of debian/tml
Dec 30 16:33:37 <lcuk> im thinking of putting the in progress liqbase rebuild online
Dec 30 16:33:37 <qwerty12> *tmp
Dec 30 16:33:40 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: k
Dec 30 16:33:49 <qwerty12> disco_stu, no idea, sorry
Dec 30 16:33:56 <disco_stu> no problem
Dec 30 16:37:16 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, for some reason, the gettext variables aren't getting substituted properly so I've had to hardcode some stuff :/
Dec 30 16:39:56 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, before I make a source package, do you want all the extra locales in one package or in many packages like they are in maemo extras :/
Dec 30 16:40:32 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: hmm. which one is the more sane? :P
Dec 30 16:41:08 <qwerty12> one package. many packages is messy. because I can't remove packages, i've used maemo-display-name for my newer build in extras-devel. looks a bit neater.
Dec 30 16:41:21 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 30 16:41:29 <qwerty12> I'll take that as one package then? :P
Dec 30 16:42:15 <Stskeeps> yep
Dec 30 16:43:02 <Stskeeps> i really need one or two tasks one.. one is editing hildon-desktop-env and remove the comment for hildon-input-method, and the other is making the transformation to having user 'user' and running hildon under that user through startx..
Dec 30 16:43:13 <Stskeeps> tasks one / tasks done
Dec 30 16:43:23 <Stskeeps> i have 3 exams coming up so i'm getting a bit pressured on mer time :)
Dec 30 16:43:52 <Stskeeps> (just use start-hildon as x-session-manager)
Dec 30 16:46:13 <qwerty12> I don't care what they say, "cat" is a man's best friend :P
Dec 30 16:47:26 <pupnik__> surprised unix doesn't have a "dog"
Dec 30 16:48:25 <alterego> Well, if my mom used UNIX ..
Dec 30 16:49:45 <disco_stu> i hate scratchbox !
Dec 30 16:50:10 <alterego> Why?
Dec 30 16:50:20 <alterego> It's an amazing system really :P
Dec 30 16:50:20 <timeless> disco_stu: for which reason?
Dec 30 16:50:24 <timeless> there are so many to choose from
Dec 30 16:50:30 <timeless> alterego: you mean that it works at all? :)
Dec 30 16:50:32 <timeless> (ever)
Dec 30 16:50:39 <alterego> :)
Dec 30 16:50:45 <disco_stu> timeless: beacuse a i dont understand it
Dec 30 16:50:49 <alterego> sbox2 didn't work for me .. At all.
Dec 30 16:50:52 <alterego> Well, it kind of did.
Dec 30 16:50:55 <timeless> it's a disgrace to balls of twine and duct tape everywhere :)
Dec 30 16:50:56 <sp3000> $ apt-file search bin/dog
Dec 30 16:50:56 <disco_stu> s/a i/i/
Dec 30 16:50:56 <infobot> disco_stu meant: timeless: beacuse i dont understand it
Dec 30 16:50:57 <sp3000> dog: /usr/bin/dog
Dec 30 16:50:59 <sp3000> $ apt-cache show dog
Dec 30 16:51:00 <qwerty12> alterego, sbox2 sucks
Dec 30 16:51:01 <sp3000> Description: Enhanced replacement for cat
Dec 30 16:51:05 * timeless rotfl
Dec 30 16:51:05 <qwerty12> hah
Dec 30 16:51:13 <sp3000> what'd you expect :)
Dec 30 16:51:29 <disco_stu> i just want to have python on scratchbox
Dec 30 16:51:35 <alterego> Does cat need enhancing?
Dec 30 16:51:51 <timeless> personally i  expect gcat
Dec 30 16:51:57 <timeless> and gnucat
Dec 30 16:52:01 <sp3000>        rently supports the file, http, and raw URL types. It is designed as a compat‐
Dec 30 16:52:07 <timeless> and maybe catweasel
Dec 30 16:52:21 <qwerty12> disco_stu, explicitly point to /usr/bin/python2.5 instead of /usr/bin/python and you may find it easier if you "export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python ; export PATH=/usr/bin/:$PATH". Make sure extras is enabled though first and python2.5-dev is installed
Dec 30 16:52:39 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, xchat source packages uploaded to incoming
Dec 30 16:53:03 <disco_stu> qwerty12: i know that.. but when using x86 target i cant update the list from repositories
Dec 30 16:53:31 <qwerty12> meh, I never use the x86 target
Dec 30 16:53:32 <disco_stu> and in armel target i cant run hildon desktop
Dec 30 16:53:47 <pupnik__>   Temporary failure resolving 'repostory.maemo.org'
Dec 30 16:53:52 * pupnik__ sighs
Dec 30 16:54:03 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: ta
Dec 30 16:54:08 <Stskeeps> pupnik__: repost?
Dec 30 16:54:08 <qwerty12> pupnik__, I assume you can see the problem :)
Dec 30 16:54:25 <pupnik__> yeah but now it has resolved, and not connecting
Dec 30 16:54:35 <qwerty12> repository.maemo.org works for me
Dec 30 16:54:47 <pupnik__> it's those damn NSA proxies
Dec 30 16:55:13 <disco_stu> qwerty12: i cant run af-sb-init.sh from armel target
Dec 30 16:55:15 <disco_stu> can you ?
Dec 30 16:55:18 <qwerty12> disco_stu, yes
Dec 30 16:55:28 <disco_stu> damn
Dec 30 16:56:21 <disco_stu> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > python2.5
Dec 30 16:56:33 <disco_stu>  /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set
Dec 30 16:56:40 <pupnik__> Hit ftp://foolab.org chinook/main Packages
Dec 30 16:56:50 <pupnik__> 99% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org]
Dec 30 16:56:52 <pupnik__> ...
Dec 30 16:57:14 <disco_stu> pupnik__: with x86 target ?
Dec 30 16:57:19 <pupnik__> no n810
Dec 30 16:57:44 <disco_stu> i just don get this scratchbox thing
Dec 30 16:58:09 * pupnik__ prunes hildon-application sources list
Dec 30 16:59:45 <pupnik__> ok fixed
Dec 30 17:03:38 <disco_stu> whats the reason that i dont have af-sb-init.sh in armel target ?
Dec 30 17:04:43 <Stskeeps> disco_stu: sounds like your SDK setup went horridly wrong
Dec 30 17:04:46 <Stskeeps> get diablo sdk instead
Dec 30 17:05:09 <disco_stu> how do i remove the one i have now ?
Dec 30 17:06:48 <alterego> rm -rf /scratchbox ^_^
Dec 30 17:06:53 <alterego> Don't do that by-the-way ..
Dec 30 17:07:04 <timeless> don't do it in scratchbox, it'll take too long :)
Dec 30 17:07:13 <qwerty12> alterego, you won't believe the amount of times I've done that...
Dec 30 17:07:18 <timeless> (rm in scratchbox seems optimized to prevent you from accidentally getting any work done)
Dec 30 17:07:29 <alterego> qwerty12: it's fine. If you know what you're doing ;)
Dec 30 17:07:54 <alterego> disco_stu: what OS are you running to host your scratchbox environment?
Dec 30 17:07:58 <qwerty12> Well, I stopped scratchbox services first and used apt-get first. Does that qualify me? :)
Dec 30 17:08:31 <disco_stu> Ubuntu 8.04
Dec 30 17:08:53 <alterego> That's old :)
Dec 30 17:08:56 <qwerty12> Under ubuntu, you need to disable vdso, and add some stuff to sysctl.conf
Dec 30 17:09:21 <disco_stu> i think i'll get the vmware appliance
Dec 30 17:09:32 <alterego> Good idea :)
Dec 30 17:10:10 <disco_stu> in the mean time i'll keep developing the way i've done so far
Dec 30 17:13:57 <disco_stu> i hate vmware
Dec 30 17:14:14 <pupnik__> good god, ...
Dec 30 17:14:20 <pupnik__>  /home/user/.thumbnails
Dec 30 17:16:12 <alterego> Hmmm, now I need to decide on how I want Ruby desktop plugins to work.
Dec 30 17:17:44 <Meiz_n810> Mer repo down?
Dec 30 17:25:56 <lardman> brrrr, cold outside
Dec 30 17:32:52 * lardman wonders why he can't find any petrol stations selling super-unleaded in Bath
Dec 30 17:33:23 <qwerty12> Because it's Bath? :P
Dec 30 17:33:46 <lardman> I'd have thought they'd have no normal here, all the posh cars and all ;p
Dec 30 17:33:56 <qwerty12> :D
Dec 30 17:34:28 <lardman> but I'm talking to a boy who can't drive a car (though could fly a plane strangely)
Dec 30 17:34:31 <lardman> ;)
Dec 30 17:35:02 <qwerty12> :>
Dec 30 17:36:19 * lardman searches a list of smilies, showing his age :)
Dec 30 17:37:04 <alterego> Heh.
Dec 30 17:37:08 * alterego has an awesome idea.
Dec 30 17:37:08 <qwerty12> :P
Dec 30 17:38:10 * lardman gets back to the mysteries of gtk_tree_view
Dec 30 17:40:03 <alterego> lardman: I don't envy you :P GtkTreeView is a pain in the ass ..
Dec 30 17:40:50 <lardman> looks pretty powerful mind you, just lots to learn to even get started
Dec 30 17:40:55 <lardman> c'est la vie
Dec 30 17:41:10 <alterego> It really is messy.
Dec 30 17:41:18 <alterego> Flexible, maybe, but messy it is.
Dec 30 17:41:42 <lardman> oh well
Dec 30 17:46:14 * lardman experiences the wonders of gtk_tree_view selections!
Dec 30 17:46:19 <lardman> uurgh
Dec 30 17:47:52 <RST38h> hey, anybody tried "new" canola2/10 already?
Dec 30 17:51:37 <pupnik__> any of you gotten a umts/3g usb stick working on N8x0?
Dec 30 17:54:33 <qwerty12> pupnik__, you could try looking at dannym's work @ https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=modem and http://wiki.maemo.org/3G_Modem
Dec 30 17:56:04 <alterego> pupnik__ does it require extra power?
Dec 30 17:57:30 <alterego> I guess it does :)
Dec 30 17:58:42 <pupnik__> yeah it does
Dec 30 17:59:44 <alterego> I want to make Ruby's Hildon Plugin interface cleaner than Python's it's nasty.
Dec 30 17:59:52 <alterego> Unfortunately it's becoming quite tricky O_O
Dec 30 18:01:33 <alterego> F*ck it, I'll just get it working and worry about the semantics later.
Dec 30 18:01:59 <lardman> lol
Dec 30 18:03:31 * RST38h watched Beyond The Reanimator yesterday and saw a lot of familiar embedded programming scenes =)
Dec 30 18:04:00 <alterego> Heh
Dec 30 18:27:32 <b-man> cfdisk and sfdisk finally work with the advanced installer, WOHO!!!!!
Dec 30 18:36:50 <GAN800> qwerty12, what's new in the updated XChat?
Dec 30 18:37:04 <GAN800> You didn't provide an Update de
Dec 30 18:37:13 <GAN800> scription field. :P
Dec 30 18:39:49 <qwerty12_N800> GAN800, meh, I hate maintaining those :P. It's the "latest" upstream, I've included some patches from debian, I added some missing close buttons & I made the backup tool backup your xchat settings. I also wasted 10 mins using Maemo-Display-Name on the locale packages :P
Dec 30 18:40:18 <RST38h> qwerty: Now, put each of these on a separate line and add asterisks =)
Dec 30 18:40:35 <GAN800> Ehehe
Dec 30 18:40:49 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, hehe :P
Dec 30 18:41:00 <RST38h> GAN: Is it true that there is a new Canola2r10 in extras-devel?
Dec 30 18:41:31 <GAN800> RST38h, dunno.
Dec 30 18:41:47 <GAN800> Hunt down etrunko
Dec 30 18:42:20 <GAN800> Hi, andre.
Dec 30 18:42:50 <lardman> hmm, is that supposed to be sneaky lurking I wonder
Dec 30 18:42:55 <andre__> gnarf.
Dec 30 18:43:49 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, the dates on http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/c/canola2/ say not
Dec 30 18:44:02 <RST38h> ehhhh
Dec 30 18:44:49 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: Why Mer repo timeouts?
Dec 30 19:02:42 <RST38h> According to a study by the National Resources Defense Council, Americans use up about $1 billion worth of energy per year powering video game consoles
Dec 30 19:03:24 <RST38h> Kinda unbelievable though
Dec 30 19:03:56 * qwerty12_N800 could believe it. Doubt we do much better though.
Dec 30 19:04:27 <RST38h> What does a kW of electricity run for in US today?
Dec 30 19:04:59 <alterego> about a nanosecond.
Dec 30 19:05:15 <RST38h> no, money wise?
Dec 30 19:05:26 <alterego> I know, I was joking :P
Dec 30 19:05:33 <lcuk> omg
Dec 30 19:06:08 <RST38h> Ok, I will assume 6 cents for now (please correct me if I am wrong)
Dec 30 19:06:31 <lcuk> why did no1 tell me they changed atx spec as well
Dec 30 19:06:34 * lcuk cowers
Dec 30 19:07:15 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, Mrs lcuk threatening to burn your tablet pc? :)
Dec 30 19:07:56 <lcuk> shes threatening to burn something
Dec 30 19:08:06 <lcuk> i went out and got a mobo
Dec 30 19:08:15 <lcuk> but the shop also didnt have the one id specced out
Dec 30 19:08:23 <RST38h> This amount is equivalent to about 19 million XBoxes running around the clock for the whole year
Dec 30 19:08:34 <RST38h> Realistic?
Dec 30 19:08:52 <lcuk> im done with home builds, ive had my head out of it for too long (exactly 12 months..)
Dec 30 19:13:02 <disco_stu> lcuk: did you flash the n800 ?
Dec 30 19:21:31 <pupnik__> ssvb: do you have a beagleboard?
Dec 30 19:26:06 <Stskeeps> bloody isp
Dec 30 19:28:21 <b-man> hello Stskeeps
Dec 30 19:28:24 <Stskeeps> evenin'
Dec 30 19:29:41 <b-man> cfdisk and sfdisk are now fully functional in the advanced installer :D
Dec 30 19:30:21 <Stskeeps> woo
Dec 30 19:34:09 <ssvb> pupnik__: I have OMAP3 based board usable for development
Dec 30 19:34:20 <pupnik__> fun
Dec 30 19:34:44 <pupnik__> ssvb: does TI share any info to get hardware accelerated video playback?
Dec 30 19:35:10 <ssvb> pupnik__: Yes, it is fun indeed. Do you have beagleboard yourself?
Dec 30 19:35:30 <pupnik__> no - had a chance to get pandora devboard but missed it
Dec 30 19:35:39 <ssvb> pupnik__: what is hardware accelerated video playback?
Dec 30 19:35:43 <pupnik__> will get a production unit though
Dec 30 19:35:50 <alterego> OpenGL ES :)
Dec 30 19:35:57 <pupnik__> something in 3530soc has h264 i think
Dec 30 19:36:01 * alterego can't wait.
Dec 30 19:36:12 <pupnik__> much more than just hardware scaling
Dec 30 19:37:27 <ssvb> pupnik__: h264 codec implemented on C64x+ DSP?
Dec 30 19:38:36 <qwerty12_N800> alterego, "ruby1.8-maemo depends on libatk2-ruby1.8" but you only have libatk1 in your folder :)
Dec 30 19:38:51 <alterego> Erm ..
Dec 30 19:40:02 <Stskeeps> ssvb: h264 on a commodore 64? i'm in.
Dec 30 19:40:14 <alterego> qwerty12_N800: they were working yesterday :P
Dec 30 19:40:25 <ssvb> Stskeeps: good for you :)
Dec 30 19:40:35 <qwerty12_N800> alterego, not here :P
Dec 30 19:40:42 <alterego> Hang on ..
Dec 30 19:41:15 <alterego> libgtk2-ruby1.8 depends online on libglib2-ruby1.8
Dec 30 19:41:37 <alterego> Ah, you're installing the meta package aren't you??
Dec 30 19:41:56 <alterego> Looks like that's broken :/
Dec 30 19:42:16 <qwerty12_N800> I just did a recursive wget & dpkg -i *.deb. Too much for me to get manually :P
Dec 30 19:42:32 <alterego> Yeah, delete ruby1.8-maemo
Dec 30 19:42:44 <alterego> Oh and the ruby1.8-maemo-dev package.
Dec 30 19:42:48 <alterego> I'll fix it now.
Dec 30 19:43:30 <qwerty12_N800> Oh, I never install -dev packages on tablet
Dec 30 19:43:36 <alterego> :)
Dec 30 19:43:44 <alterego> Yeah, you don't want to do that ^_^
Dec 30 19:43:54 <alterego> Only good if you want to compile your own extensions.
Dec 30 19:44:36 <qwerty12_N800> Knots depends on ruby1.8-maemo, i'll edit the depends line meself :)
Dec 30 19:45:12 <alterego> I didn't think he packaged it ..
Dec 30 19:45:51 <qwerty12_N800> I think the package is done by hand
Dec 30 19:45:56 <alterego> You could just do a forced install ;)
Dec 30 19:45:57 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: suggestions for use_dialog_mode?
Dec 30 19:45:58 <Stskeeps> for mer
Dec 30 19:46:06 <woglinde> hi
Dec 30 19:46:15 <qwerty12_N800> alterego, but that leaves apt in a state ;)
Dec 30 19:46:20 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, no :/
Dec 30 19:46:32 <pupnik__> no ssvb IVA2 accelerator
Dec 30 19:46:43 <pupnik__> http://focus.tij.co.jp/jp/lit/ml/swpt019a/swpt019a.pdf
Dec 30 19:46:45 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: k
Dec 30 19:47:36 <qwerty12_N800> but I dunno wut use_dialog_mode is :)
Dec 30 19:48:43 <alterego> Be pretty cool if the new tablet could receive DVB-H
Dec 30 19:49:05 <qwerty12_N800> Some guy did it with the N800
Dec 30 19:49:19 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: movable dialogs i think
Dec 30 19:49:55 <Stskeeps> .. not sure
Dec 30 19:50:31 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: how'd you switch themes btw?
Dec 30 19:50:35 <woglinde> hm a usb hub and dvb-t stick should work too
Dec 30 19:50:44 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, oh, matchbox! free mode + turn off the supermodal option. Ask Matan for the code which fixes dialogs appearing in the wrong place
Dec 30 19:50:57 <ssvb> pupnik__: C64x+ DSP is a core part of this accelerator
Dec 30 19:51:08 <pupnik__> oh... :)
Dec 30 19:51:10 <pupnik__> bbl
Dec 30 19:51:49 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: yeah, ta :)
Dec 30 19:51:51 <ssvb> pupnik__: but it does have "hardware video accelerator" in it too, which does not seem to have public documentation
Dec 30 19:53:53 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: start-hildon does it all
Dec 30 19:53:57 <alterego> The "Video DAC S-Video" thing is cool :)
Dec 30 19:54:42 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: i changed export ... to the glasser and matchbox theme too
Dec 30 19:54:59 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: k, ta
Dec 30 19:56:17 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: for next release, could xbindkeys be a good option for hw keys like fullscreen and app-switcher. i use it and it works great.
Dec 30 19:56:34 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: hm?
Dec 30 19:56:53 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: ah, powerlaunch maybe :P
Dec 30 19:56:57 <Stskeeps> same functionality
Dec 30 19:57:00 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 30 19:57:07 <Meiz_n810> qwerty12: what was the command to kick up app swithcher :P
Dec 30 19:58:38 <qwerty12_N800> check the logs :p. I'm not running dbus-monitor again :p
Dec 30 19:59:06 <alterego> Okay, I think I've finished my plugin loader :)
Dec 30 19:59:27 <alterego> Well, the beta anyway ^_^
Dec 30 20:06:12 <ssvb> pupnik__: http://www-s.ti.com/sc/techlit/spruf98
Dec 30 20:08:48 <ssvb> pupnik__: that's a bit better pdf about OMAP3 than what you have :)
Dec 30 20:12:04 <`Mace> going thursday or friday to cancel att and open a t-mobile acct
Dec 30 20:12:13 <`Mace> att can kiss my ass.. i've never seen such a disgusting network
Dec 30 20:12:31 <`Mace> sure hope they have android G1s when i go
Dec 30 20:14:00 * Stskeeps wouldn't want a closed device :P
Dec 30 20:23:22 <b1ackdeath> i set up usb networking on my n810 and got everthing working except the dummy IAP, i used the "gconftool -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DEFAULT/type DUMMY" command but i still can't us the web
Dec 30 20:24:20 <b1ackdeath> but from a termial i can use everything else
Dec 30 20:25:35 <qwerty12_N800> You don't do that for diablo, apt-get install libicd-network-dummy
Dec 30 20:26:00 <b1ackdeath> thanks i didnt see that on any of the wikis thats why i asked
Dec 30 20:26:24 <woglinde> b1ackdeath is dns really working?
Dec 30 20:26:51 <b1ackdeath> yea i can ping google, use links ,
Dec 30 20:27:09 <b1ackdeath> and all my terminal based apps
Dec 30 20:38:35 <`Mace> Stskeeps - android is closed? :)
Dec 30 20:38:42 <`Mace> or you mean branded?
Dec 30 20:39:05 <woglinde> the g1 is closed with signatures
Dec 30 20:39:06 <`Mace> i'd rather have a branded phone that worked.. i'll still have my unlocked n95 in case i go international
Dec 30 20:39:34 <ShadowJK> branded things generally lag in firmware updates, if they ever get any :-(
Dec 30 20:39:45 <`Mace> as long as the net connection works
Dec 30 20:39:50 <`Mace> att drops every 10 fucking minutes
Dec 30 20:40:05 <`Mace> their ppp "tethering plan" that i pay 50$ a month extra
Dec 30 20:40:10 <`Mace> is total garbage and i called them 3 times about it
Dec 30 20:40:16 <woglinde> haha
Dec 30 20:40:18 <`Mace> waited on fucking hold for almost an hour all 3 times
Dec 30 20:40:19 <woglinde> 50$
Dec 30 20:40:21 <woglinde> what a mess
Dec 30 20:40:36 <`Mace> i wouldn't mind paying the money if it worked
Dec 30 20:40:54 <`Mace> the ppp connection drops every 10-20 minutes.. like it's on a fucking timer
Dec 30 20:41:30 <woglinde> yeah
Dec 30 20:41:32 <woglinde> guess why
Dec 30 20:57:08 <RST38h> It is to keep you all fit!
Dec 30 20:57:15 <lcuk> missus is happy now, the motherboard works and almost everything is back where it should be and it runs much faster than before
Dec 30 20:57:24 <RST38h> Make you take a break from watching porn on your phone!
Dec 30 20:57:34 <RST38h> lcuk: Upgraded the desktop?
Dec 30 20:58:21 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, plan on doing this again, soon? :P
Dec 30 20:58:49 <lcuk> well seeing how quick her dualcore is yeah i am actually :$
Dec 30 20:58:59 <lcuk> but im not touching anything other than the cpu
Dec 30 20:59:04 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Dec 30 20:59:07 <lcuk> and i know i already have a mobo capable
Dec 30 20:59:34 <lcuk> if i had known tracys wasnt i wouldnt have gotten these bits
Dec 30 20:59:40 <qwerty12_N800> i should replace the pentium d I've got with a core 2 :)
Dec 30 20:59:41 <lcuk> damn my mother for needign a graphics card
Dec 30 21:00:45 <lcuk> "oooh, while im there ill grab a couple of bits for tracys"
Dec 30 21:00:56 <lcuk> if i ever say something similar playback this log PLEASE
Dec 30 21:01:15 <b-man> qwerty12; get a core i7 :D
Dec 30 21:01:42 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, :P
Dec 30 21:02:11 <b-man> heh
Dec 30 21:09:15 <StsN800> heh, thumb detection for him
Dec 30 21:13:22 <alterego> Well .. It compiles ^_^
Dec 30 21:13:25 * alterego tests.
Dec 30 21:13:26 <GuySoft> hey, is there a way to give foxmarks access to a nokia N810/N800? http://getsatisfaction.com/foxmarks/topics/foxmarks_on_maemo_microb_browser?utm_content=reply_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification#reply_725500
Dec 30 21:13:46 <GuySoft> we might be able to push them to make support for microb/fennec :)
Dec 30 21:21:36 <TiffanyS> is there a maemo-map project that includes mapping wifi AP's ?
Dec 30 21:28:26 <GuySoft> is there a program to give N810's for developers of something?
Dec 30 21:28:54 <woglinde> hm 90 euros was
Dec 30 21:28:56 <woglinde> some time ago
Dec 30 21:32:10 <GuySoft> woglinde, did you see what i said just before? because it might get foxmarks on maemo
Dec 30 21:32:48 <woglinde> gusoft sorry no
Dec 30 21:32:53 <qwerty12_N800> How big is the demand for foxmarks?
Dec 30 21:33:07 <GuySoft> woglinde, http://getsatisfaction.com/foxmarks/topics/foxmarks_on_maemo_microb_browser?utm_content=reply_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification#reply_725500
Dec 30 21:33:31 <GuySoft> qwerty12_N800, i am not sure.. but i think its a pretty usful feature .. because it syncs data after all..
Dec 30 21:33:45 <GuySoft> and there were a few responses on the thread
Dec 30 21:34:52 <GuySoft> qwerty12_N800,  i am not sure how much to measure such a thing..
Dec 30 21:37:33 <qwerty12_N800> If their extension uses XUL, to my knowledge, the default browser will never support it
Dec 30 21:37:55 <qwerty12_N800> well, in diablo anyway. dunno if any future plans exist
Dec 30 21:37:57 <GuySoft> qwerty12_N800, i guess you could at least tell me what you think, after all you have a lot of knowledge
Dec 30 21:38:14 <GuySoft> qwerty12_N800, look at the fennec refrence..
Dec 30 21:39:06 <qwerty12_N800> GuySoft, sorry but i don't really know much wrt browsers & I've never used fennec or foxmarks :/
Dec 30 21:40:00 <GuySoft> well i can try asking: does anyone use foxmarks?
Dec 30 21:40:11 <woglinde> I am no
Dec 30 21:40:12 <woglinde> t
Dec 30 21:40:28 <GuySoft> qwerty12_N800, what do you use the device for then?
Dec 30 21:40:42 <crashanddie> he's 16
Dec 30 21:40:48 <crashanddie> isn't the answer obvious?
Dec 30 21:40:49 <crashanddie> pr0n
Dec 30 21:41:07 <kpel> pr0n sees no age
Dec 30 21:41:15 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, please, we don't need to hear your experiences :p
Dec 30 21:41:22 <kpel> it's a universal, timeless constant :P
Dec 30 21:42:10 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, hey, I wasn't the one querying after the exact size of the audio jack
Dec 30 21:42:30 <qwerty12_N800> GuySoft, using the default browser, xchat, torrents, jaiku, calculator and duke nukem 3d :p
Dec 30 21:42:39 <crashanddie> torrents?
Dec 30 21:42:41 <crashanddie> Seriously?
Dec 30 21:42:47 <lcuk> kpel, strange thing is, i get older but they stay the same :D
Dec 30 21:42:52 <crashanddie> I found it was completely unusable to download shite
Dec 30 21:42:57 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, yeah, not the massive ones
Dec 30 21:43:08 <qwerty12_N800> round about ~100-200mb
Dec 30 21:43:25 <qwerty12_N800> Although I got 700mb overnight
Dec 30 21:43:28 <GuySoft> lol..
Dec 30 21:43:43 <crashanddie> dayum
Dec 30 21:43:55 <crashanddie> remind me to kill myself if you happen to be my boss on day
Dec 30 21:44:00 <crashanddie> s/on/one
Dec 30 21:44:09 * crashanddie slaps the bot
Dec 30 21:44:26 <lcuk> ive lost my beer
Dec 30 21:44:35 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, why? it's you who forgot the final '/'
Dec 30 21:44:40 <woglinde> uh beer
Dec 30 21:44:42 <lcuk> missing: one cold bottle of bud
Dec 30 21:44:43 <woglinde> reminds me
Dec 30 21:44:46 <GuySoft> um, i thought you get board of doom..
Dec 30 21:44:50 <woglinde> I wanted drink one
Dec 30 21:45:07 <GuySoft> and to be honest i carry a calculator and the device..
Dec 30 21:45:13 <woglinde> thanks lcuk
Dec 30 21:45:17 <woglinde> I will get one now
Dec 30 21:45:17 * GuySoft is in university
Dec 30 21:46:09 <woglinde> gusoft are you in china?
Dec 30 21:46:31 <GuySoft> woglinde, no.. why did i say something Chinese?
Dec 30 21:46:36 <woglinde> most western country has holidays
Dec 30 21:47:10 <crashanddie> woglinde, your point being?
Dec 30 21:47:26 <GuySoft> woglinde, ah right.. no.. i am in Israel..
Dec 30 21:47:41 <crashanddie> GuySoft, oh shite, how's the bombs coming along?
Dec 30 21:47:54 <woglinde> hm yes the bombs
Dec 30 21:48:01 <woglinde> like always
Dec 30 21:48:26 <GuySoft> crashanddie, well i am luckily is Jerusalem.. so i am out of the range.. but its pretty much a mess..
Dec 30 21:49:00 <crashanddie> GuySoft, there's one thing I just wanted to understand
Dec 30 21:49:13 <crashanddie> israeli casualties: 5, and 10 wounded?
Dec 30 21:49:34 <crashanddie> palestine casualties: 300? 1700 wounded?
Dec 30 21:49:39 <woglinde> crashanddie the real numbers you dont get
Dec 30 21:49:44 <woglinde> its all fud
Dec 30 21:49:47 <woglinde> on both sides
Dec 30 21:49:57 <GuySoft> crashanddie, there were 300 missiles fired at us a day.. they just miss most of the time.. today there were 'only' 30
Dec 30 21:50:19 <crashanddie> I just feel that the israeli reponse is a bit... huge
Dec 30 21:50:27 <GuySoft> woglinde, its not a simple one i agree.. and i am on the rare left wing here in israel
Dec 30 21:50:43 <crashanddie> not that I know anything about the conflict whatsoever
Dec 30 21:50:59 <crashanddie> but still, it seems a bit... overkill... Like Russia vs Georgia, that kind of shit, y'know?
Dec 30 21:51:20 <RST38h> This particular one is more like Russia vs Chechnia
Dec 30 21:51:20 <woglinde> crashanddie nope
Dec 30 21:51:27 <woglinde> they are difrently
Dec 30 21:51:37 <RST38h> Russia vs Georgia has not been an overkill (or there wouldn't be Georgia by now)
Dec 30 21:51:59 <crashanddie> What I'd like to see, is all the weapons being taken away, and just give you guys all a big bag of mashmallows, and just fight it off in a massive food fight
Dec 30 21:52:10 <woglinde> hehe
Dec 30 21:52:14 <Meiz_n810> Mer repo still down? :(
Dec 30 21:52:16 <woglinde> yeah nice idea
Dec 30 21:52:30 <GuySoft> crashanddie, well depends.. they did kill so far more hammas personnel than civilians.. the main problem is that you have a house with citizens, and under it you have a storage of missiles in the strip..
Dec 30 21:52:33 <crashanddie> plus the dentists are going to make a killing, so to speak
Dec 30 21:52:52 <GuySoft> crashanddie, not that i like seeing any side hurt.. but it is not a conflict because its simple..
Dec 30 21:53:05 <crashanddie> I never said it was
Dec 30 21:53:12 <crashanddie> it's a shame, that's what it is
Dec 30 21:53:19 <RST38h> GuySoft: Is it a problem? =)
Dec 30 21:53:55 <crashanddie> You gotta love the EU trying to play big brother again
Dec 30 21:53:57 <RST38h> I mean, in a conflict like this, any male 14-60 years old is fair game, right?
Dec 30 21:54:03 <GuySoft> RST38h, well i was trying to find out a way to get foxmarks to support maemo, and they say they need a device
Dec 30 21:54:36 <GuySoft> RST38h, i am not sure what that implied just now.. what do you mean
Dec 30 21:54:37 <GuySoft> ?
Dec 30 21:54:54 <crashanddie> I'm still tempted to write a red countdown on my n810 and start laughing hysterically next time I'm on a plane
Dec 30 21:54:59 <RST38h> GuySoft: I implied that a house full of civilians on top of an ammunition store is no problem at all =)
Dec 30 21:55:06 <kpel> when elections come, sheep try to bleat like wolves. oh well...
Dec 30 21:55:32 <RST38h> GuySoft: But returning to your original problem, you may have better luck just writing a similar extension to MicroB on your own
Dec 30 21:55:45 <crashanddie> QUICK THE GERMANS ARE HERE, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE
Dec 30 21:56:01 <RST38h> GuySoft: Mainly because MicroB plugins are significantly different from FireFox ones
Dec 30 21:56:03 <woglinde> dont act stupid crashdanddie
Dec 30 21:56:12 <GuySoft> RST38h, it is when you have 5-9 of the small children there killed brutaly and appearing on television.. and them sparking all the world to think we are bombing civilians for fun..
Dec 30 21:56:20 <crashanddie> please learn to type my nickname correctly woglinde, and then I'll start listening to you
Dec 30 21:56:28 <woglinde> lol
Dec 30 21:56:29 <GuySoft> RST38h, i think their motivation is to support fennec
Dec 30 21:56:49 <RST38h> GuySoft: And once they have got 5-9 kiddie corpses, it is really easy for them to do a few more photo ops with these, at different locations =)
Dec 30 21:57:01 <crashanddie> GuySoft & RST38h: you two having two discussions at the same time is VERY confusing
Dec 30 21:57:02 <RST38h> GuySoft: Fennec is still not product quality
Dec 30 21:57:20 <crashanddie> GuySoft & RST38h: for a second I thought israelis were bombing children because they support fennec
Dec 30 21:57:32 <RST38h> crashanddie: Exactly!
Dec 30 21:57:56 <RST38h> And I won't even tell you what IE supporters do...It is highly classified
Dec 30 21:58:21 <crashanddie> I thought only the Church still enforced using IE6?
Dec 30 21:58:28 <GuySoft> crashanddie, i am laughing but a split second it kinda confused me.. black humor up to date is a harsh one
Dec 30 21:59:05 <crashanddie> completely different topic
Dec 30 21:59:14 <crashanddie> earlier today, I was driving shit to the dumpyard
Dec 30 21:59:50 <crashanddie> a big wooden door was leaning against the windscreen of the car, and because of a bump in the road, kinda smashed it
Dec 30 22:00:06 <b-man> haha
Dec 30 22:00:09 <crashanddie> I was hitting the steering wheel like mad, really pissed off
Dec 30 22:00:17 <crashanddie> and then the radio started playing this shitty french song
Dec 30 22:00:24 <crashanddie> "you break my heart like a piece of glass"
Dec 30 22:00:28 <b-man> lolx100000
Dec 30 22:00:29 <crashanddie> double fun
Dec 30 22:00:38 <RST38h> YOu can't blame the French here: the song started playing AFTER the fact
Dec 30 22:00:39 <GuySoft> RST38h, crashanddie, is you want me to cut-to-the-chase i think we need two counties for two people, with internatonal presentce in jerusalem (i am saying that as someone living there). and for that to happen we need people to have a right frame of mind, and we need hamas to recognize israel..
Dec 30 22:00:45 <RST38h> =)
Dec 30 22:00:56 <xorAxAx> any russian speaker here?
Dec 30 22:01:10 <crashanddie> xorAxAx, da
Dec 30 22:01:12 <RST38h> GuySoft: For that, you need a little bit of genocyde, really
Dec 30 22:01:23 <RST38h> GuySoft: Too bad is has got such a bad reputation
Dec 30 22:01:33 <GuySoft> and i know there a few israelis that would think that is abandoning the promise land we are supose to have.. and some Palestinians would want me in the sea.. but both sides need to grow up
Dec 30 22:02:12 <kpel> well there are all sorts of things that can help bring the right kind of mind. like obeying international law and returning the golan heights back to syria, for example.
Dec 30 22:02:43 <xorAxAx> he wasnt serious, anybody else?`
Dec 30 22:02:57 <RST38h> kpel: And then letting the same Hamas guys use those heights to launch missiles into .IL?
Dec 30 22:03:01 <xorAxAx> Pavlov: is pavlov a russian name? :)
Dec 30 22:03:05 <RST38h> xorAxAx: Ok, what?
Dec 30 22:03:26 <kpel> RST38h: no, then fall on the hamas guys like a ton of bricks.
Dec 30 22:03:39 <RST38h> kpel: why not go straight to plan B then? =)
Dec 30 22:03:41 <kpel> because they won't have an excuse then
Dec 30 22:04:09 <RST38h> xorAxAx: What is it? A letter from/to your mailorder bride?
Dec 30 22:04:32 <kpel> RST38h: because hamas is not invading anyone's land maybe?
Dec 30 22:04:36 <RST38h> xpel: They don't have an excuse right now.
Dec 30 22:04:43 <xorAxAx> RST38h: na, i met her in person
Dec 30 22:04:44 <GuySoft> kpel, i agree.. and i might say i talked to people from Libyan in a conference of ITU (part of the US).. not among others they say they want peace too.. but they have pressure from the Arab world.. they are not in a simple position too
Dec 30 22:05:09 <RST38h> kpel: shooting missiles into anyone's land is sufficient
Dec 30 22:05:22 <RST38h> xorAxAx: Ok, your question?
Dec 30 22:05:31 <xorAxAx> RST38h: i tried in a query
Dec 30 22:05:51 <RST38h> The answer is "yes". Next question?
Dec 30 22:05:57 <kpel> GuySoft: as you said, it's complicated. i fully agree with you. i just don't get all this war-mongering attitude which is known for its ineffectiveness.
Dec 30 22:06:19 <RST38h> Yep. That is a message from his mailorder bride. Why, WHY does it always have to be this?
Dec 30 22:06:30 <xorAxAx> hehe
Dec 30 22:06:38 <RST38h> xorAxAx: You want it translated or what?
Dec 30 22:06:52 <GuySoft> kpel, that is what is so annoying to me.. i just want to yell out "for crying out loud just get along!"  my father was among the fighters that concured the Golan in the 6 day war.. now he thinks we need to give it back. but we need an agreement
Dec 30 22:06:57 <kpel> RST38h: you mean like the us were shooting missiles into lands that never attacked them?
Dec 30 22:07:09 <xorAxAx> RST38h: sure
Dec 30 22:07:09 <RST38h> kpel: Exactly
Dec 30 22:07:17 <xorAxAx> RST38h: and as i said, she is not :)
Dec 30 22:07:23 <RST38h> kpel: BTW, if those lands strike back, I will not be surprised.
Dec 30 22:07:55 <kpel> RST38h: then why are you surprised with hamas when thhey are fighting for the land that was taken from them?
Dec 30 22:08:45 <GuySoft> kpel, i agree.. i am not for this war... i was actually surprised so far how 'well' it went.. i am not so up to date, i was surprised from the Egyptian respone...
Dec 30 22:09:51 <GuySoft> i mean seeing the west bank Palestinians taking our side seems to be a good sign :) .. it always happens when you have a common problem
Dec 30 22:09:53 <RST38h> kpel: They are not fighting for the land. They are killing innocent people.
Dec 30 22:09:55 <kpel> GuySoft: let's just hope that the israeli government will not try to be any "brave" in order to win over voters from the conservatives.
Dec 30 22:10:14 <RST38h> kpel: "Fighting for the land" is attacking Israeli army regiments.
Dec 30 22:10:30 <RST38h> kpel: Shooting bombs at civilians is just that
Dec 30 22:10:35 <GuySoft> kpel, i know. i am voting for "meretz" (far left wing) no matter what anyway..
Dec 30 22:10:41 <crashanddie> [ATTENTION] Please take the political discussion to #politics; thank you very much
Dec 30 22:10:44 <crashanddie> ;)
Dec 30 22:11:01 <crashanddie> well you don't have to quit
Dec 30 22:11:14 <crashanddie> hey
Dec 30 22:11:15 <kpel> RST38h: sure, are you going to buy them tanks to fight then? anywya, i'm stopping.
Dec 30 22:11:17 <crashanddie> STAY HERE
Dec 30 22:11:23 <RST38h> kpel: Nope.
Dec 30 22:11:38 <RST38h> kpel: Can't buy your own tanks? Too bad. Suck now.
Dec 30 22:12:21 <kpel> RST38h: and that's why they fire rockets with the accuracy of a blind catapult operator
Dec 30 22:12:29 <crashanddie> just stop supplying them with weapons and things to make weapons. Those who win the war with sticks and stones are allowed to keep the damned strip of land
Dec 30 22:12:33 <RST38h> Besides, I vaguely remember that tanks didn't do Arabs any good during the last war...
Dec 30 22:12:39 <GuySoft> crashanddie, #maemo-politics?
Dec 30 22:12:46 <crashanddie> GuySoft, something like that
Dec 30 22:13:07 <kpel> RST38h: tanks are jusst a tool. they cannot win battles on their own. but they are needed.
Dec 30 22:13:12 <GuySoft> RST38h, thats like saying that a hammer wont do much good to a cellphone..
Dec 30 22:13:13 <RST38h> kpel: Well, once they start killing civilians indiscriminately, they become fair game for genocide.
Dec 30 22:13:27 <crashanddie> GuySoft, channel created
Dec 30 22:13:31 <kpel> crashanddie: 100% agree. cutting off the supply lines would be best.
Dec 30 22:13:54 <lcuk> but unfortunately it wont stop the hurting from people with families (literally) torn apart
Dec 30 22:13:55 <RST38h> kpel: Can't win with tools. Can't win without tools. Can't live in peace. Do you see a pattern here?
Dec 30 22:14:09 <kpel> RST38h: you are missing the point. There is a breach of international law here.
Dec 30 22:14:16 <GuySoft> allright, anyone who wants to talk about the conflict go to  #maemo-politics ...
Dec 30 22:14:25 <andre__> --> #maemo-politics
Dec 30 22:14:28 <lcuk> there is a breach of raw humanity
Dec 30 22:14:33 <RST38h> hehe
Dec 30 22:14:39 <andre__> EVERYBODY. NOW.
Dec 30 22:14:40 <kpel> that too
Dec 30 22:15:07 * suihkulokki ponders puoring some more gas to the flamewar, this was getting entertaining
Dec 30 22:15:32 <kpel> what flamewar? i thought we were having a discussion.
Dec 30 22:15:51 <crashanddie> here people, see the sick mind of a troll
Dec 30 22:15:57 <GuySoft> correct  kpel the geneva law forbids it.. intact its not something i think israel or anyone would want if there was no law
Dec 30 22:16:01 <crashanddie> even though it is blatant, he thinks he is right
Dec 30 22:16:46 <lcuk> ill b back later, would rather think about code
Dec 30 22:17:01 <crashanddie> see what you've done?
Dec 30 22:17:05 <crashanddie> You've made lcuk leave
Dec 30 22:17:08 <crashanddie> I hope you're happy
Dec 30 22:17:10 <suihkulokki> http://xkcd.com/386/
Dec 30 22:17:13 <crashanddie> He's done nothing wrong to you
Dec 30 22:17:33 <kpel> who are  you talking to crashanddie ?
Dec 30 22:18:08 <GuySoft> kpel, we all moved to #maemo-politics
Dec 30 22:18:19 <crashanddie> suihkulokki, nice one
Dec 30 22:18:33 <crashanddie> suihkulokki, though there is one flaw in your reasoning
Dec 30 22:18:58 <Stslaptop> suihkulokki, been there done that.. definately :P
Dec 30 22:19:08 <crashanddie> suihkulokki, that cartoon actually has it starting with someone asking "are you coming to bed?", which is already completely fiction for most people here ;)
Dec 30 22:19:28 <Stslaptop> *glances over at gf*
Dec 30 22:19:38 <Stslaptop> if i can, so can the rest. bloody miracle someone can stand me :P
Dec 30 22:19:55 <crashanddie> Stslaptop, I shall demonstrate how shallow your sentence just was
Dec 30 22:20:09 * crashanddie glances at the 30 horny girls waiting for him to turn off the light
Dec 30 22:20:22 <qwerty12_N800> *cough*
Dec 30 22:20:23 <crashanddie> you didn't believe me right?
Dec 30 22:20:44 <Stslaptop> crashanddie: hereby proving the discussion on the nokia tablets as porn devices..
Dec 30 22:20:58 <andre__> crashanddie, don't even mention the 79 virgins waiting for you...
Dec 30 22:21:04 <andre__> (oops, wrong channel, that one should have gone to #maemo-politics of course! :-P )
Dec 30 22:21:38 <suihkulokki> IME most geeks do end up having GF _eventually_ :)
Dec 30 22:21:52 <crashanddie> Stslaptop, you can't fit 30 girls on 800x480
Dec 30 22:21:58 <suihkulokki> however, I don't know _anyone_ who has 30 horny girls waiting :P
Dec 30 22:22:01 <crashanddie> Stslaptop, and if you do, you can't see if they're horny
Dec 30 22:22:15 <crashanddie> suihkulokki, I know a farmer
Dec 30 22:22:43 <Stslaptop> cows?
Dec 30 22:22:44 <Stslaptop> :P
Dec 30 22:23:10 <crashanddie> you said it
Dec 30 22:23:24 <qwerty12_N800> If they're bulls, I guess horny means something :)
Dec 30 22:23:32 <suihkulokki> quick, on your tablet (or debian/ubuntu machine), run "apt-get moo"
Dec 30 22:23:39 <Stslaptop> funny enough i'm writing a paper on power saving methods for positioning methods .. with the scenario of cow collars
Dec 30 22:23:58 <Stslaptop> brb
Dec 30 22:25:38 <Stslaptop> qwerty12_N800: funny issue on hildon-desktop-env btw, - gconftool setting doesn't work well when gconfd isn't running, for some reason
Dec 30 22:26:23 <qwerty12_N800> Stslaptop, make it install the gconf xml file directly :P
Dec 30 22:26:29 <Stslaptop> and you'd need to ping the gconfd and if it isn't running, using --direct :P
Dec 30 22:27:17 <Stslaptop> i'm really starting to see there's some areas of distribution stuff i really dont want to be in :)
Dec 30 22:34:20 <pupnik__> thank you ssvb
Dec 30 22:34:34 * pupnik__ watching Garden State with knots player
Dec 30 22:36:30 * qwerty12_N800 <3's knots, haven't got around to setting up the server again (yet) but it's good in offline mode 
Dec 30 22:39:07 <alterego> Well, I think it's almost time to test the plugin loader ..
Dec 30 23:33:36 <alterego> Damnit, it's not working O_O
Dec 30 23:34:48 <qwerty12_N800> Is it like adding insult to injury if I point out that you did it successfully once before :(
Dec 30 23:35:29 <qwerty12_N800> i'm sorry, I was being a prick there
Dec 30 23:36:05 <alterego> :(
Dec 30 23:36:08 <alterego> I know ..
Dec 30 23:36:17 <alterego> It's extremely frustrating :~(
Dec 30 23:38:18 <qwerty12_N800> How long have you worked on it?
Dec 30 23:38:51 <alterego> This time around or last time?
Dec 30 23:39:05 <qwerty12_N800> this time
Dec 30 23:39:12 <alterego> Probably about 6 hours
Dec 30 23:39:32 <qwerty12_N800> Ouch. Really sucks :(
Dec 30 23:39:56 <alterego> Yer.
Dec 30 23:45:20 <alterego> I don't know what to do now :(
Dec 30 23:45:35 <kpel> take a break man, rest
Dec 30 23:45:51 <woglinde> yepp sleep over it
Dec 30 23:46:55 <alterego> I'm just pissed I can't remember how I did it before. Though, I kind of can. I've put the major parts in place. It just isn't working :/
Dec 30 23:47:22 <alterego> I'll work on my API documentation template instead.
Dec 30 23:49:56 <timeless> hello world
Dec 30 23:50:02 <timeless> i need help
Dec 30 23:50:09 <kpel> hi
Dec 30 23:50:16 <timeless> i'm looking for a picture of the s60 browser
Dec 30 23:50:26 <timeless> when it has an html:select widget opened for selecting
Dec 30 23:50:51 <kpel> do you have a url i can visit?
Dec 30 23:51:03 <timeless> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi
Dec 30 23:51:19 <kpel> would an oldish N95 do?
Dec 30 23:51:23 <timeless> yes
Dec 30 23:51:32 <kpel> just a moment
Dec 30 23:51:44 <timeless> trigger it on the 'component' field
Dec 30 23:51:56 <timeless> and then also trigger it on one of the 'match' fields
Dec 30 23:52:05 <timeless> use a normal browser to understand what i'm talking about
Dec 30 23:52:11 <timeless> components lets you select more than one
Dec 30 23:52:26 <timeless> the match kind requires you to choose exactly one
Dec 30 23:58:36 <kpel> timeless: you want a pic of the menu that pops up when i focus on the component field>
Dec 30 23:58:39 <kpel> ?
Dec 31 00:01:34 <kpel> can't find the match field
Dec 31 00:03:22 <lcuk> question, i have an n800 which works with os2007, can i just setup devkit core like i do in os2008?
Dec 31 00:03:32 <timeless> kpel: yes
Dec 31 00:04:04 <timeless> kpel: the other one is "A comment:" [contains]
Dec 31 00:04:07 <timeless> it's after "target"
Dec 31 00:04:14 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, you should be able to install the bora sdk fine. device still not flashing?
Dec 31 00:04:33 <lcuk> no, and im fed up trying, work round it and learn more about porting :)
Dec 31 00:04:40 <timeless> kpel: if you could have pictures w/ a character or two in the text field
Dec 31 00:04:51 <timeless> and for the first one w/ a couple of but not all the visible items checked
Dec 31 00:04:55 <timeless> that'd be wonderful :)
Dec 31 00:05:35 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, hook your N810 up using same cable & usb port and see if just the info argument on the flasher works
Dec 31 00:05:58 <lcuk> n810 has different connector
Dec 31 00:06:09 <qwerty12_N800> ooh yeah
Dec 31 00:06:47 <lcuk> usb works fully when the device is turned on and showing maemo.  from the laptop i can see edit create delete files which are stored on the n800 memory card
Dec 31 00:06:55 <qwerty12_N800> damn nokia for messing things up ;) but you say you wanna port so, i'll be quiet :)
Dec 31 00:08:22 <lcuk> heh, i dont but its the only way im gonna fix the rotation problem and check out what a forward facing camera would be like
Dec 31 00:10:05 <qwerty12_N800> I really can't see why it would mess up though, as soon as i got my N800 it was running bora so I just used the windows flasher and it connected on the first try :/
Dec 31 00:13:07 <lcuk> nor can i, im booting it from scratch after popping battery, the usb icon comes up but non of the machines ive tried it on can talk to it.
Dec 31 00:13:18 <lcuk> the usb icon on screen stays until i unplug usb
Dec 31 00:15:24 <lcuk> gonna try it again on desktop with a livecd (was windows last time..)
Dec 31 00:15:52 <qwerty12_N800> is this through a hub? :/
Dec 31 00:17:11 <disco_stu> qwerty12_N800, is he pressing home button, right?
Dec 31 00:18:01 <qwerty12_N800> disco_stu, must be if the usb icon is showing. that said, it's not the only way to get it to show
Dec 31 00:18:02 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, the laptop has two external usb ports, this is direct to there, BUT its likely inside the laptop there is an internal hub
Dec 31 00:18:13 <aboyz> can someone tell me what does maemo do?? is it a software?
Dec 31 00:18:17 <lcuk> yes, i am pressing the right button
Dec 31 00:18:36 <lcuk> any other button held allows the usb icon to vanish after ~2seconds
Dec 31 00:18:48 <lcuk> maemo is a way of life
Dec 31 00:19:02 <aboyz> lcuk, can you explain more. I don't quite understand when I go to the website..
Dec 31 00:19:11 <aboyz> is it a gathering of all developers?
Dec 31 00:19:16 <qwerty12_N800> ~maemo
Dec 31 00:19:17 <infobot> from memory, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/
Dec 31 00:19:25 <qwerty12_N800> hmm :/
Dec 31 00:19:29 <alterego> Ooo, progress!
Dec 31 00:19:30 <aboyz> so its a programming lanaguea??
Dec 31 00:19:33 <alterego> It didn't crash hildon!
Dec 31 00:19:51 <disco_stu_N800> aboyz, its a S
Dec 31 00:19:54 <aboyz> so maemo is a devleopment platform to create application for nokie and etc..??
Dec 31 00:20:09 <lcuk> aboyz, no, we are supporters and maintainers of a set of software for our internet tablets
Dec 31 00:20:14 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, good with soldering? :D
Dec 31 00:20:22 <timeless> cool
Dec 31 00:20:27 <aboyz> lcuk. I don't get it .. i'm lost
Dec 31 00:21:10 <disco_stu_N800> maemo is my main operatin system these days
Dec 31 00:21:16 <dmsuperman> I'm trying to install mmpc deb, and it says it relies on libglade2-0 version 1.2.6.1, but from the repositories the latest version I have 1.2.4, using diablo
Dec 31 00:21:21 <aboyz> maemo is also a operating system??
Dec 31 00:21:22 <dmsuperman> Any idea how I can get 1.2.6.1?
Dec 31 00:21:38 <aboyz> now i'm really lost..
Dec 31 00:21:58 <lcuk> we all just like to use our nokia tablets.  some of us are interested in coding, some are here for the experience and to learn more, others to play with cool things in the palm of our hands
Dec 31 00:22:44 <disco_stu_N800> we all hate scratchbox :p
Dec 31 00:22:59 * qwerty12_N800 hates sbox2
Dec 31 00:23:03 <aboyz> i see what you mean!!
Dec 31 00:23:05 <aboyz> got it!!
Dec 31 00:23:16 <qwerty12_N800> sbox1 I have no probs wh
Dec 31 00:23:18 <qwerty12_N800> *with
Dec 31 00:23:41 <lcuk> aboyz, :) have you got yourself a tablet?
Dec 31 00:24:20 <disco_stu_N800> lcuk, is about to promote liqbase
Dec 31 00:24:27 <disco_stu_N800> lol
Dec 31 00:24:36 <lcuk> lol thank you disco_stu_N800 :)
Dec 31 00:24:40 <lcuk> no need now
Dec 31 00:24:48 <qwerty12_N800> ha :D
Dec 31 00:25:07 <lcuk> back to my code, ive had some good progress this evening
Dec 31 00:26:15 <disco_stu_N800> i made a client for a local weather site today
Dec 31 00:26:23 <lcuk> heh
Dec 31 00:26:40 <disco_stu_N800> i want to give it kinetic scroling
Dec 31 00:27:16 <qwerty12_N800> With thp's mokoui port?
Dec 31 00:28:14 <disco_stu_N800> (?)
Dec 31 00:29:18 <qwerty12_N800> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=250605 - seems a quick way to make a python app kinetic :)
Dec 31 00:30:20 <disco_stu_N800> nice one.. i'll peep
Dec 31 00:34:10 <alterego> w00t progress!
Dec 31 00:34:19 <alterego> :D
Dec 31 00:34:34 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Dec 31 00:35:33 <dmsuperman> I'm trying to install mmpc deb, and it says it relies on libglade2-0 version 1.2.6.1, but from the repositories the latest version I have 1.2.4, using diablo
Dec 31 00:35:36 <dmsuperman> Any idea how I can get 1.2.6.1?
Dec 31 00:36:31 <disco_stu_N800> qwerty12_N800, looks good but what i want to scroll is gtk image
Dec 31 00:36:52 <qwerty12_N800> disco_stu_N800, ah :/
Dec 31 00:37:47 <lcuk> disco_stu_N800, what language?
Dec 31 00:38:08 <disco_stu_N800> i'll see what i can do. glade has been very nice helping me with the interfaces
Dec 31 00:38:25 <disco_stu_N800> lcuk, python, of course
Dec 31 00:38:31 <lcuk> yes, but what language are you wanting the app to be written in.  damn
Dec 31 00:38:33 <lcuk> heh
Dec 31 00:38:50 <lcuk> someone find out and talk to me about some python bindings
Dec 31 00:39:04 <alterego> >:(
Dec 31 00:39:07 <alterego> RUBY! :P
Dec 31 00:39:12 <qwerty12_N800> disco_stu_N800, mytube uses : http://tony.maro.net/ossramblings/kinetic.php - dunno if it's what you want
Dec 31 00:39:13 <lcuk> heh pmsl
Dec 31 00:39:22 <lcuk> kinetic is easy
Dec 31 00:39:37 <disco_stu_N800> lcuk, in a few days i'll start messing with liqbase source code
Dec 31 00:39:41 <lcuk> its a problem that gdk is just too slow
Dec 31 00:39:48 <lcuk> gtk
Dec 31 00:39:53 <lcuk> whichever fuffin one it is
Dec 31 00:40:04 <dmsuperman> So...no ideas then?
Dec 31 00:40:25 <lcuk> dunno sorry superman
Dec 31 00:40:32 <lcuk> hey i watched you on telly lastnight
Dec 31 00:40:49 <dmsuperman> :(
Dec 31 00:42:06 <alterego> Damnit, I had it doing something before >:(
Dec 31 00:42:35 <disco_stu_N800> 100Kb of data is 0.40 cents (U$S) with my mobile phone
Dec 31 00:42:56 <disco_stu_N800> its freaking expensive
Dec 31 00:43:48 <disco_stu_N800> i cant even afford IRC through it
Dec 31 00:44:39 * qwerty12_N800 has no idea what his rates are, he just loves it when he has only 1.00 credit and he can use the internet for a long while before they realise my credit's gone :p
Dec 31 00:45:37 <disco_stu_N800> lol.. here happens the same.. but they will take the money in your next charge
Dec 31 00:45:58 <qwerty12_N800> ouch :/
Dec 31 00:46:39 <disco_stu_N800> the give me a pack with 10Mb but i must use it in theree days
Dec 31 00:46:52 <disco_stu_N800> the are fuckin retarded
Dec 31 00:47:43 <qwerty12_N800> indeed, if I top up, I get an amount that I can use in a month ;/
Dec 31 00:47:52 <qwerty12_N800> *:/
Dec 31 00:48:01 <alterego> MORE PROGRESS! :D
Dec 31 00:48:20 <disco_stu_N800> what's alterego hacking?
Dec 31 00:49:10 <qwerty12_N800> alterego, out of question, how much ruby applets are there?
Dec 31 00:49:23 <alterego> There are no Ruby applets :P
Dec 31 00:49:44 <alterego> But I've got a plan for a killer plugin that will make everyone want to install Ruby on their devices :P
Dec 31 00:50:04 <woglinde> hehe
Dec 31 00:50:05 <qwerty12_N800> At least you aren't breaking something then :D
Dec 31 00:50:11 <qwerty12_N800> hi rm_you
Dec 31 00:50:19 <rm_you> heyhey
Dec 31 00:50:22 <pupnik> ruby is cool to look at
Dec 31 00:50:33 <woglinde> rails is great
Dec 31 00:51:01 <rm_you> on is a wonderful particle
Dec 31 00:51:11 <qwerty12_N800> alterego, please make a python-launcher knockoff for ruby though :p
Dec 31 00:51:34 <alterego> I actually had the idea of a ruby-launcher before the python one was developed :P
Dec 31 00:52:38 <qwerty12_N800> One thing I can't stand is python & ruby's startup time on the tablet :)
Dec 31 00:53:06 <alterego> Well, on the other hand. If it's an applet it'll always be running so it doesn't matter :P
Dec 31 00:53:34 <woglinde> qwerty12 hehe
Dec 31 00:53:47 <woglinde> worser than the java it cant be
Dec 31 00:54:32 <qwerty12_N800> alterego, tried advanced-power, written in python? really cool applet but it slows down hildon-desktop's startup time
Dec 31 00:54:47 <alterego> Yes, that'll happen.
Dec 31 00:55:29 <qwerty12_N800> woglinde, hehe , i used to pray I'd be able to use my computer when i had a 733mhz + 128mb ram one ;p
Dec 31 00:55:31 <qwerty12_N800> *:p
Dec 31 00:55:55 <woglinde> o I once had a latop woth 433 mhz and 138 mb ram
Dec 31 00:56:01 <woglinde> but with dvd
Dec 31 00:56:15 <woglinde> and was one of the first wathcing a dvd under linux with it
Dec 31 00:56:52 * qwerty12_N800 remembers the 'DVD Jon' stories...
Dec 31 00:57:05 <woglinde> was arund 1999/2000
Dec 31 00:57:38 <qwerty12_N800> alterego, no need to convince me anyway, I've already got yer packages installed :)
Dec 31 00:58:01 <alterego> :)
Dec 31 00:58:16 <qwerty12_N800> (and a crapton of ruby books :p)
Dec 31 00:59:08 <alterego> :)
Dec 31 00:59:16 <alterego> ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Dec 31 00:59:25 <qwerty12_N800> :D
Dec 31 00:59:39 <b-man> ??????
Dec 31 01:00:15 <qwerty12_N800> would you consider it betrayal if I said i also have a crapton of python books too? :/
Dec 31 01:00:24 <solmumaha> alterego: where's the launcher then? :)
Dec 31 01:00:27 <alterego> Nope.
Dec 31 01:00:37 <alterego> I program in Python as well.
Dec 31 01:00:46 <qwerty12_N800> *grin*
Dec 31 01:00:55 <alterego> Not out of choice mind ;)
Dec 31 01:04:16 <alterego> God, debugging this is a b*tch ..
Dec 31 01:06:46 <alterego> Right, one bug squashed .. :D
Dec 31 01:07:48 <towo> God, mCalendar failing to sync is most annofing.
Dec 31 01:10:31 <b-man> 200 Playstation 3's used to hack SSL: http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/30/hackers-playstation-3-make-ssl-much-less-secure/
Dec 31 01:10:42 <woglinde> b-man yes
Dec 31 01:11:34 * qwerty12_N800 knows what he's ordering now :)
Dec 31 01:11:45 <b-man> heh
Dec 31 01:12:16 <b-man> :)
Dec 31 01:12:37 <towo> Hehe.
Dec 31 01:12:42 <woglinde> good nite
Dec 31 01:12:48 <towo> Couldn't attend the lecture, that's the bad part about it.
Dec 31 01:13:46 <alterego> Right, I've zoned in on the main problem. I actually remember having this issue last time .. If only I could remember what I did next .. >:(
Dec 31 01:14:38 <solmumaha> alterego: good news is, new packages work perfectly, no regression what so ever
Dec 31 01:14:57 <alterego> There was some slight problem with package dependencies though.
Dec 31 01:15:15 <solmumaha> oh
Dec 31 01:15:23 <solmumaha> i don't have those installed then
Dec 31 01:15:49 <alterego> Actually, you do. You just installed them manually didn't you :)
Dec 31 01:15:55 <solmumaha> yes
Dec 31 01:16:00 <alterego> It was the ruby1.8-maemo meta package that had the issue.
Dec 31 01:16:04 <alterego> s/had/has/
Dec 31 01:16:04 <infobot> alterego meant: It was the ruby1.8-maemo meta package that has the issue.
Dec 31 01:16:10 <alterego> I've not actually updated it yet.
Dec 31 01:16:30 * qwerty12_N800 butchered /var/lib/dpkg/status to have working  ruby1.8-maemo :)
Dec 31 01:17:29 <alterego> What I'll do is delete the meta package ;)
Dec 31 01:17:52 <qwerty12_N800> knots depends on it :9
Dec 31 01:17:55 <qwerty12_N800> *:)
Dec 31 01:18:04 <alterego> That way wgetters wont fall into that trap.
Dec 31 01:19:31 <alterego> Yeah, the whole point of me separating up all the packages is so people writing programs can depend on only what they use. So they don't have to install the entire ruby-maemo set.
Dec 31 01:19:42 <alterego> Maybe I should just drop the meta-package all together ..
Dec 31 01:21:33 <qwerty12_N800> Pymaemo has python2.5-runtime for lazy packagers :D
Dec 31 01:22:27 <alterego> Oh, I know what the problem is!
Dec 31 01:22:39 <alterego> I think I know how to fix it too ...
Dec 31 01:22:44 <solmumaha> i'm lazy too
Dec 31 01:22:55 <solmumaha> but actually i don't depend on the meta-package
Dec 31 01:23:14 <solmumaha> but i'd like to :p
Dec 31 01:24:30 <qwerty12_N800> was knots packaged by hand? :)
Dec 31 01:24:53 <solmumaha> still is, 0.4.1 still uses the old packages so it has different dependencies
Dec 31 01:26:11 <solmumaha> alterego: any eta for the extras?
Dec 31 01:26:22 <alterego> solmumaha: as soon as I get authorized.
Dec 31 01:26:47 <alterego> Like I said, it probably wont be until the new year when all the Nokians get back to work.
Dec 31 01:27:09 <solmumaha> lazy sobs
Dec 31 01:27:11 <qwerty12_N800> /msg X-Fade and see if he can be bribed :)
Dec 31 01:27:18 <alterego> Heh
Dec 31 01:28:03 <solmumaha> still haven't gotten the icon to show up in the task bar
Dec 31 01:28:55 <alterego> :/
Dec 31 01:31:01 <solmumaha> well at least there is an icon
Dec 31 01:31:12 <alterego> If only I could remember how I got over this issue the first time! >:(
Dec 31 01:31:21 <solmumaha> :(
Dec 31 01:31:42 <solmumaha> i'll grep the logs :)
Dec 31 01:31:51 <alterego> Heh
Dec 31 01:35:13 <solmumaha> sorry, no solution there
Dec 31 01:35:18 <alterego> Heh
Dec 31 01:36:11 <solmumaha> "The next release will fix bugs in LibConIc aswell as make desktop plugins more robust by reporting errors when the occur instead of dying."
Dec 31 01:36:40 <solmumaha> so you had them working at that point i guess
Dec 31 01:37:10 <alterego> Yes, I've got screen shots and everything >:(
Dec 31 01:37:44 <solmumaha> what is the problem?
Dec 31 01:38:42 <alterego> I've fixed it :)
Dec 31 01:38:54 <solmumaha> you're welcome
Dec 31 01:39:16 <alterego> I was just doing a bit of googling and looking through Ruby's "intern.h" and found a function that looked familiar. Turns out that's what I used! :D
Dec 31 01:39:52 <solmumaha> great
Dec 31 01:40:01 <solmumaha> and gn
Dec 31 01:40:32 <alterego> g'night.
Dec 31 01:40:52 <alterego> I suppose I can go to sleep now, happy with the knowledge that I've got it working :)
Dec 31 01:41:17 <pupnik> gnite solmumaha, alterego -- thanks for ruby/knots
Dec 31 01:41:28 <alterego> np :)
Dec 31 01:41:40 <GAN8001> pupnik, the video acceleration is on the DSP now.
Dec 31 01:42:08 <GAN8001> pupnik, C64x
Dec 31 01:42:19 <GAN8001> Or on the CPU with NEON acceleration
Dec 31 01:42:33 <GAN8001> There's no ARM7 core for dedicated video decoding anymore.
Dec 31 01:42:55 <pupnik> what
Dec 31 01:43:27 <GAN8001> [2:35pm] <pupnik__> something in 3530soc has h264 i think
Dec 31 01:43:29 <pupnik> from the pdf, i see that IVA2.2 has the dsp, *and* a dedicated hardware video accelerator
Dec 31 01:43:37 <pupnik> oh ok - ssvb explained it
Dec 31 01:44:33 <pupnik> so n9x0 might have some dsp video accel.  pandora won't, unless some indy developer goes crazy
Dec 31 01:44:49 <pupnik> depends on whether nokia buys codecs from TI
Dec 31 01:44:56 <pupnik> afaict, ymmv etc
Dec 31 01:45:06 <GAN8001> RX-51 will do all video decoding on DSP
Dec 31 01:45:13 <GAN8001> audio decoding will be Cortex-side
Dec 31 01:45:40 <GAN8001> I'm interested to see how the performance of the C64x will stack up against NEON-accelerated CPU-side decoding.
Dec 31 01:46:00 <GAN8001> I think OpenMAX may be better than previous DSP stuff.
Dec 31 01:47:01 <alterego> How fast are the Cortex chips?
Dec 31 01:47:19 <GAN8001> Fucking fast
Dec 31 01:47:28 <GAN8001> 2-3x faster than ARM11
Dec 31 01:47:44 <GAN8001> So a 600MHz Cortex A8 is approximately equivalent to a >1GHz ARM11
Dec 31 01:47:52 <alterego> Nice.
Dec 31 01:48:08 <GAN8001> lol, Yahoo abuse's response to my complaint is a total non-sequitor.
Dec 31 01:48:22 <GAN8001> Memory was the biggest improvement
Dec 31 01:51:27 <alterego> Yay! it's almost finished :D
Dec 31 01:57:11 <pupnik> dosbox for omap3 runs wing commander nicely, they say
Dec 31 01:57:27 <pupnik> and some other 286 era games that drag on my build
Dec 31 01:58:27 <GAN8001> OMAP3 is gonna be a huge boon for mobile Linux
Dec 31 01:58:33 <alterego> I wonder if it'll run windows 95 ..
Dec 31 01:58:59 <TrueJournals> Why... just... why....?
Dec 31 01:59:07 <alterego> :)
Dec 31 01:59:12 <alterego> Because it's possible?
Dec 31 01:59:34 <TrueJournals> lol
Dec 31 01:59:56 <b-man> @alterego, have windows95 imulated in dosbox - so yes. ;)
Dec 31 02:00:17 <alterego> DosBOX can emulate Win95?
Dec 31 02:00:25 <b-man> yes
Dec 31 02:00:28 <alterego> Awesome ..
Dec 31 02:01:24 <b-man> i actually hacked a version originaly intended for a PSP to run on my tablet using DSB
Dec 31 02:01:47 <b-man> edit; DBS ;p
Dec 31 02:02:11 <b-man> (dosbox boot selector)
Dec 31 02:12:14 * alterego yawns
Dec 31 02:15:00 <GAN8001> alterego, did you get your Extras invite?
Dec 31 02:15:07 <alterego> Not yet.
Dec 31 02:15:15 <GAN8001> You send it?
Dec 31 02:15:19 <alterego> Yup
Dec 31 02:15:30 <GAN8001> I wonder where X-Fade's off to. . . .
Dec 31 02:16:23 * alterego shrugs
Dec 31 02:17:22 <GAN8001> I'll pester him after New Years if you still don't get it. :)
Dec 31 02:17:48 <alterego> I was kind of half expecting it after new years when everyone's back at work and stuff :)
Dec 31 02:18:25 <GAN8001> :P
Dec 31 02:18:54 <pupnik> b-man: does the touchscreen calibrate correctly to the win95 pointer?
Dec 31 02:22:43 <alterego> IT'S WERKIN!
Dec 31 02:22:55 <lcuk> shes alive!
Dec 31 02:24:34 <alterego> I can tell you all want to see the screen shot ;)
Dec 31 02:25:02 <cjdavis2> yes! and I dont even know what it is!
Dec 31 02:25:52 <alterego> http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/projects/ruby-maemo/home-plugin.png
Dec 31 02:25:53 <alterego> :)
Dec 31 02:26:58 <GAN8001> Heh
Dec 31 02:28:37 <cjdavis2> cool
Dec 31 02:29:03 <b-man> @pupnik; kinda, you need to drag it to the corner of the screen to calibrate it, but somewhat, yes.
Dec 31 02:29:07 <b-man> and i do have screenshots, but i haven't uploaded them yet.
Dec 31 02:29:13 <b-man> the whole desktop fits the screen to
Dec 31 02:29:15 <b-man> :)
Dec 31 02:32:13 <alterego> Well, now time for bed,.
Dec 31 02:32:27 <b-man> see ya
Dec 31 02:32:29 * alterego frantically submits the code to subversion to avoid data loss.
Dec 31 02:32:38 <alterego> I'm not going to go through this again ^_^
Dec 31 02:32:43 <alterego> Not a third time!
Dec 31 02:33:16 <alterego> Right, g'night folks.
Dec 31 02:33:48 <b-man> Btw, about win95, I'll probibly create a small guide on how to make win95 work over at ITT. - i might need to get permission from the guy who wrote DBS though.
Dec 31 02:34:21 <b-man> he has a strict copyright policy.
Dec 31 02:38:59 <GAN800> Who the hell decided esc should minmize in Modest-m
Dec 31 02:39:16 <GAN800> We all have a goddamn window/fullscreen button!
Dec 31 02:39:31 <GAN800> s/all/already/
Dec 31 02:39:31 <infobot> GAN800 meant: We already have a goddamn window/fullscreen button!
Dec 31 02:41:10 <pupnik> b-man: chat with OSEmuTech
Dec 31 02:42:41 <b-man> if i can find her :p
Dec 31 02:42:55 <b-man> i haven't seen her for months
Dec 31 02:43:01 <pupnik> is female?
Dec 31 02:43:06 <b-man> yes
Dec 31 02:43:08 <pupnik> O_o
Dec 31 02:43:28 <b-man> isn't it obvious?
Dec 31 02:44:25 <pupnik> well that realignes my internal femdar a bit
Dec 31 02:44:38 <b-man> heh
Dec 31 02:44:39 <TrueJournals> Anyone know why python with gtk won't let me change the color of text in a menu item? :-P
Dec 31 02:44:54 <TrueJournals> (Or style of the text at all, for that matter...)
Dec 31 02:45:44 <TrueJournals> Ah... maybe because it's not reading the new file...
Dec 31 02:53:12 <b-man> pupnlk, is this your website?; http://www.vclcomponents.com/authors/Larry_Pupnik
Dec 31 02:53:47 <pupnik> nope
Dec 31 02:53:54 <pupnik> pupnik.de
Dec 31 02:54:08 <pupnik> sorry for the inactivity
Dec 31 02:54:49 <b-man> it's ok, i'm allmost allwase staring at the screen :)
Dec 31 02:56:20 <pupnik> lack of updates to games... been a rough year
Dec 31 02:57:22 <b-man> yah
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