**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 04 02:59:57 2009
Jan 04 03:03:12 <pupnik_> cold the air up there
Jan 04 03:26:49 <robink> nomis: B7?
Jan 04 03:26:52 <robink> nomis: I'm not sure.
Jan 04 03:29:06 <robink> nomis: The C1 isn't out until March
Jan 04 03:29:14 <robink> ...and my board is indeed a B7.
Jan 04 03:33:01 <AStorm> lcuk, so, you ended up writing a widget from scratch? :)
Jan 04 03:33:18 <AStorm> maybe I'm on a roll today too, let's see
Jan 04 03:39:05 <lcuk> AStorm, i wrote my own widget way back when.
Jan 04 03:39:38 <AStorm> when you ditched the DrawingArea :P
Jan 04 03:39:39 <lcuk> it is what currently powers liqbase, the library I have put together today is the simple dumb render tool: sdl/pygame level
Jan 04 03:39:50 <AStorm> ah
Jan 04 03:39:56 <AStorm> not gtk then?
Jan 04 03:40:08 <lcuk> when I first started drawing onto the xv YUV surface I could not use GTK...
Jan 04 03:40:17 <AStorm> you could
Jan 04 03:40:26 <AStorm> with gtk.gdk.Window
Jan 04 03:40:40 <AStorm> (that is, lower level than gtk proper)
Jan 04 03:41:15 <AStorm> anyway, good job if sdl works fine
Jan 04 03:41:24 <lcuk> the canvas i draw on is similar in regard to mplayer
Jan 04 03:41:57 <AStorm> btw, is xv really faster than usual X?
Jan 04 03:42:07 <lcuk> you have seen liqbase :)
Jan 04 03:42:13 <AStorm> (seeing as it's not hardware accelerated)
Jan 04 03:42:30 <lcuk> but gtk is decellerated, and yes actually, it is
Jan 04 03:42:42 <AStorm> mhm
Jan 04 03:42:57 <AStorm> weird then that I geet nice and low cpu usage out of it
Jan 04 03:43:12 <AStorm> maybe it's because I do double buffering myself
Jan 04 03:43:19 <lcuk> the xv mode is not the same as the x11 mode uses and talks directly with the omap
Jan 04 03:43:31 <AStorm> hm.
Jan 04 03:43:49 <zakkm> anyone try the new Nitdroid yet?
Jan 04 03:45:41 <AStorm> lcuk, hmm, I need a good hash over multiple numbers
Jan 04 03:46:07 <AStorm> fast and with low collision probability
Jan 04 03:46:08 <AStorm> not necessarily cryptographically secure
Jan 04 03:46:23 <AStorm> 32-bit
Jan 04 03:46:23 <zakkm> md5 512 ;p
Jan 04 03:46:25 <lcuk> mmm? lots of numbers? strings?
Jan 04 03:46:39 <AStorm> no, few numbers
Jan 04 03:46:54 <AStorm> like, 3 to 6
Jan 04 03:46:56 <lcuk> build a tree
Jan 04 03:47:01 <AStorm> no
Jan 04 03:47:05 <lcuk> or just search
Jan 04 03:47:10 <AStorm> *no*
Jan 04 03:47:25 <AStorm> I mean, the input to the hash would be 3 to 6 numbers
Jan 04 03:47:27 <lcuk> then just sum them
Jan 04 03:47:32 <AStorm> the objects hashed will be many
Jan 04 03:47:37 <AStorm> no, sum will collide
Jan 04 03:47:39 <zakkm> irssi bolds *'s ;p
Jan 04 03:47:51 <AStorm> zakkm, yes :P
Jan 04 03:47:53 <lcuk> often?
Jan 04 03:48:00 <AStorm> often enough
Jan 04 03:48:25 <zakkm> i hate gentoo, taking ages to compile gnome
Jan 04 03:48:35 <AStorm> who needs gnome?
Jan 04 03:48:38 <zakkm> i do?
Jan 04 03:48:46 <AStorm> also, there are tricks to speed it up
Jan 04 03:48:53 <zakkm> im aware, ive done them all
Jan 04 03:48:58 <AStorm> like, try a better filesystem for /var/tmp
Jan 04 03:49:01 <zakkm> yup
Jan 04 03:49:03 <zakkm> ram :)
Jan 04 03:49:05 <AStorm> (e.g. tmpfs)
Jan 04 03:49:08 <zakkm> ive done that
Jan 04 03:49:12 <zakkm> gave it 20% = 2gb
Jan 04 03:49:15 <zakkm> 50%**
Jan 04 03:49:17 <AStorm> distcc
Jan 04 03:49:22 <zakkm> i dont have other pcs
Jan 04 03:49:24 <AStorm> parallel make
Jan 04 03:49:32 <zakkm> makeopts is -j3
Jan 04 03:49:39 <AStorm> and not going over your head with flags
Jan 04 03:49:44 <zakkm> xd
Jan 04 03:49:56 <zakkm> i dont know so far im at like 3 hr 30min?
Jan 04 03:50:00 <zakkm> just gnome packages
Jan 04 03:50:12 <AStorm> full gnome? what's the machine?
Jan 04 03:50:15 <zakkm> im guessing another 15min?
Jan 04 03:50:32 <zakkm> yes full gnome .. 2.24.2? .. pentinum E2180 2ghz, 4gb ddr2 ram
Jan 04 03:50:42 <AStorm> lcuk, so, I need 2 hashes: one would be 65b -> 32b
Jan 04 03:50:45 <zakkm> march=nocona :)
Jan 04 03:51:06 <AStorm> another 130b -> 32b
Jan 04 03:51:18 <AStorm> zakkm, I take it you're running core2?
Jan 04 03:51:25 <lcuk> no, you need a decent folding function
Jan 04 03:51:26 <AStorm> and read the wrong wiki
Jan 04 03:51:40 <AStorm> lcuk, yes, compression function = hash
Jan 04 03:51:41 <zakkm> AStorm: ... not core 2.. but it follows same march
Jan 04 03:51:47 <AStorm> pentium4
Jan 04 03:51:49 <AStorm> mhm
Jan 04 03:51:51 <zakkm> no
Jan 04 03:51:52 <zakkm> pentinum E
Jan 04 03:51:59 <zakkm> pentinum dual core ...
Jan 04 03:52:10 <AStorm> hmm, the laptop one?
Jan 04 03:52:25 <zakkm> no.
Jan 04 03:52:33 <zakkm> your really bad at knowing cpus ;p
Jan 04 03:52:35 <AStorm> weird cpu
Jan 04 03:52:46 <zakkm> It goes Celeron E, Pentinum E, then Core 2 E
Jan 04 03:52:51 <zakkm> and then quad Core which is Q
Jan 04 03:52:51 <AStorm> gimme /proc/cpuinfo
Jan 04 03:53:21 <zakkm> permission denied?
Jan 04 03:53:24 <AStorm> as that Pentium might be like Pentium3 not 4 (which is nocona)
Jan 04 03:53:31 <AStorm> zakkm, root?
Jan 04 03:53:32 <zakkm> nooo lol
Jan 04 03:53:34 <zakkm> yes root
Jan 04 03:53:39 <zakkm> im noot that dumb lol
Jan 04 03:53:44 <zakkm> its not pentinum 3 lol
Jan 04 03:53:49 <zakkm> okay listen
Jan 04 03:53:53 <zakkm> its after Pentinum D
Jan 04 03:54:04 <lcuk> int32 hash = fold_from64(a[0],fold_from64(a[1],a[2]));
Jan 04 03:54:04 <zakkm> it goes pentinum D.. .Pentinum E ... then Core2E
Jan 04 03:54:44 <AStorm> lcuk, from 65
Jan 04 03:54:47 <zakkm> i wouldnt pay $72 for a pentinum 3 lol
Jan 04 03:54:57 <AStorm> whatever
Jan 04 03:55:06 <AStorm> the architecture is what matters
Jan 04 03:55:07 <zakkm> lets go with a weak core 2 duo
Jan 04 03:55:16 <AStorm> and I reckon it's not nocona
Jan 04 03:55:21 <zakkm> same arch, weaker clock
Jan 04 03:55:25 <AStorm> which is explicitly Pentium 4
Jan 04 03:55:26 <TrueJournals> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Dual-Core
Jan 04 03:55:26 <zakkm> omg it is
Jan 04 03:55:31 <zakkm> Astorm: onesec
Jan 04 03:56:13 <zakkm>  Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad / Xeon 51xx/53xx, Pentium Dual-Core T23xx+/Exxxx
Jan 04 03:56:17 <zakkm> see XD
Jan 04 03:56:30 <AStorm> ok
Jan 04 03:56:31 <zakkm> it follows nocona
Jan 04 03:56:40 <AStorm> it's *not* nocona
Jan 04 03:56:54 <AStorm> it has no relation to Pentium4
Jan 04 03:56:55 <zakkm> yes it is
Jan 04 03:57:00 <zakkm> -.-
Jan 04 03:57:05 <AStorm> use march=core2 or mtune=generic
Jan 04 03:57:08 <zakkm> no
Jan 04 03:57:10 <zakkm> i cant use core2
Jan 04 03:57:13 <zakkm> core 2's can
Jan 04 03:57:14 <AStorm> you can
Jan 04 03:57:22 <AStorm> with -mno-sse4
Jan 04 03:57:25 <AStorm> or such
Jan 04 03:57:33 <zakkm> dont even have gcc 4.3
Jan 04 03:57:43 <zakkm> i know nocona is right
Jan 04 03:58:00 <AStorm> it's wrong
Jan 04 03:58:05 <AStorm> benchmark first
Jan 04 03:58:07 <zakkm> hows it wrong
Jan 04 03:58:10 <zakkm> tell me
Jan 04 03:58:21 <AStorm> because the cpu timings are all off
Jan 04 03:58:30 <zakkm> cpu timings?
Jan 04 03:58:46 <zakkm> its right lol
Jan 04 03:58:54 <AStorm> no, it's frigginnot
Jan 04 03:58:59 <AStorm> I checked the gcc code
Jan 04 03:59:04 <AStorm> I benchmarked it
Jan 04 03:59:13 <zakkm> lol
Jan 04 03:59:31 <AStorm> it avoids certain instructions which were slow on P4
Jan 04 03:59:40 <AStorm> and optimizes for a deep pipeline
Jan 04 03:59:47 <AStorm> which core doesn't have
Jan 04 03:59:47 <zakkm> its no ta penintum 4
Jan 04 03:59:50 <zakkm> is ti?
Jan 04 04:00:06 <AStorm> and this pentium dual core is core 2 with less cache
Jan 04 04:00:08 <AStorm> :P
Jan 04 04:00:32 <zakkm> its not a pentiunm 4 dual core
Jan 04 04:00:36 <zakkm> its a pentiunm dual core
Jan 04 04:00:47 <AStorm> ...
Jan 04 04:00:53 <AStorm> and nocona is pentium 4
Jan 04 04:01:05 <AStorm> your's is either core duo or core 2 duo
Jan 04 04:01:15 <AStorm> (no matter the brand)
Jan 04 04:01:53 <zakkm> so your telling me is hould use =core2?
Jan 04 04:02:02 <AStorm> yes, if available
Jan 04 04:02:16 <AStorm> maybe =core if there's one (there's not in 4.3)
Jan 04 04:02:52 <AStorm> it's probably Allendale, so that'd be core2
Jan 04 04:03:27 <zakkm> your a gentoo user?
Jan 04 04:03:39 <AStorm> yes
Jan 04 04:03:50 <zakkm> cool gnome just finished :)
Jan 04 04:03:58 * alterego shudders
Jan 04 04:04:00 <AStorm> and I tested march nocona to hell on my core2
Jan 04 04:04:07 <zakkm> lol
Jan 04 04:04:13 * alterego goes to bed
Jan 04 04:04:16 <zakkm> core2 is significantly better?
Jan 04 04:04:19 <AStorm> and found it slower in apps
Jan 04 04:04:21 <AStorm> it is
Jan 04 04:04:26 <AStorm> even pentium3 is
Jan 04 04:04:28 <AStorm> :)
Jan 04 04:04:38 <AStorm> no march is better
Jan 04 04:04:41 <zakkm> may i pm you the emerge info?
Jan 04 04:04:44 <AStorm> sure
Jan 04 04:58:42 <AStorm> I guess I'll just go with CRC-32 or such
Jan 04 05:00:19 <AStorm> hmm, no
Jan 04 05:01:05 <AStorm> a hash function that has strong clustering would be better in my case
Jan 04 05:02:47 <johnx> mornin'
Jan 04 05:02:51 <AStorm> hmmmh
Jan 04 05:03:24 <AStorm> nah, for similarity to work in my case, I'd need many more bits :/
Jan 04 05:03:56 <johnx> I can provide some extra bits: 010101
Jan 04 05:04:08 <Proteous> heh
Jan 04 05:04:21 <zakkm> finally glibc finished ;p
Jan 04 05:45:09 <johnnyjohnjohn> good evening
Jan 04 05:45:26 <johnx> hi johnnyjohnjohn
Jan 04 05:45:45 <johnnyjohnjohn> hey johnx
Jan 04 05:46:23 <johnnyjohnjohn> question for you: know of any apps for maemo so I can browse my apps like an iphone?
Jan 04 05:46:42 <johnnyjohnjohn> or a way of rearranging the interface
Jan 04 05:46:50 <johnnyjohnjohn> I can't find any examples anywhere
Jan 04 05:47:07 <johnx> itablet, and personal launcher
Jan 04 05:47:12 <johnnyjohnjohn> and I wouldn't know where to begin with discecting ubuntu mobile
Jan 04 05:48:49 <johnnyjohnjohn> awesome thanks
Jan 04 05:48:49 <johnx> do you have experience with theming for other things?
Jan 04 05:49:02 <johnnyjohnjohn> only for the web
Jan 04 05:49:09 <johnnyjohnjohn> I did some linux stuff
Jan 04 05:49:21 <johnnyjohnjohn> but it was coded and cut by someone else
Jan 04 05:49:33 <johnx> I can't picture re-arranging the panels being much more difficult than hacking css layouts
Jan 04 05:49:45 <johnx> just...time consuming to get started
Jan 04 05:49:53 <johnnyjohnjohn> you can look up my work via my name on gnome-look
Jan 04 05:49:55 <johnnyjohnjohn> openartist
Jan 04 05:50:23 <johnnyjohnjohn> I did the logo for Lighttpd
Jan 04 05:50:27 <johnnyjohnjohn> :)
Jan 04 05:50:56 <johnx> ah, love the style
Jan 04 05:51:07 <johnx> I would love a really simple flat theme for maemo
Jan 04 05:51:22 <johnnyjohnjohn> I'm working on a mobile interface project which is why I'm on IRC
Jan 04 05:51:46 <johnnyjohnjohn> yeah, I'm trying to make a cross-platform theme
Jan 04 05:51:51 <johnnyjohnjohn> for the desktop and mobile devices
Jan 04 05:52:02 <johnx> aaah...dunno how much you'll be able to reuse
Jan 04 05:52:07 <johnnyjohnjohn> a sort of standard theme across linux and open devices
Jan 04 05:52:34 <johnx> you could some art I guess
Jan 04 05:52:55 <johnnyjohnjohn> do you think there would be any volunteers out there to help make a theme?
Jan 04 05:53:13 <johnnyjohnjohn> If I did the layouts and designs?
Jan 04 05:53:45 <johnx> hmm
Jan 04 05:54:09 <johnnyjohnjohn> I mean, as soon as I launch the project I'm sure to find some volunteers
Jan 04 05:54:19 <johnnyjohnjohn> I'm pretty confident about it
Jan 04 05:54:35 <johnx> theming on the tablet is pretty intensive in terms of artwork
Jan 04 05:54:53 <johnx> lots of things that are done programatically on desktop linux are actually pictures in maemo
Jan 04 05:55:00 <johnnyjohnjohn> well, it's actually as intensive as a large web project
Jan 04 05:55:17 <johnx> a fair comparison I think :)
Jan 04 05:55:26 <johnx> have you looked at theme-maker?
Jan 04 05:55:30 <johnnyjohnjohn> not yet
Jan 04 05:55:35 <johnx> it has a template
Jan 04 05:55:42 <johnx> but that's for the normal layout
Jan 04 05:56:17 <johnx> I've never known anyone who made an alternative layout except the ubuntu mobile guys
Jan 04 05:57:04 <johnx> so basically, you want to kill off the left bar and have a desktop full of app launchers, like the iphone, right?
Jan 04 05:57:26 <johnnyjohnjohn> yeah, well that, and have "multiple views"
Jan 04 05:57:47 <johnnyjohnjohn> so that the desktop interface can be a number of different styles
Jan 04 05:58:03 <johnnyjohnjohn> and transition animations are configurable
Jan 04 05:58:21 <johnx> "different styles" as in different layouts for the panels?
Jan 04 05:58:29 <johnnyjohnjohn> yeah, perhaps
Jan 04 05:58:31 <johnx> cause that's getting pretty ambitious
Jan 04 05:58:36 <johnnyjohnjohn> or for instance
Jan 04 05:58:57 <johnnyjohnjohn> having a "list" menu style like a zune or the ipod
Jan 04 05:59:10 <johnnyjohnjohn> with different kinds of scrolling
Jan 04 05:59:14 <johnnyjohnjohn> through icons
Jan 04 05:59:18 <johnnyjohnjohn> or just names
Jan 04 05:59:20 <johnx> ok, now you're talking about coding a whole new launcher :P
Jan 04 05:59:36 <johnx> hmm...or co-opting someone else's :D
Jan 04 06:00:06 <johnx> yeah, I think you could get people interested
Jan 04 06:00:35 <johnx> IMHO, you should put together a really rough, quick layout, and post on internettablettalk.com/forums
Jan 04 06:00:49 <johnnyjohnjohn> cool
Jan 04 06:01:15 <johnx> you certainly have me interested as I'm looking for a 640x480 maemo layout for my own ends :D
Jan 04 06:01:24 <pupnik_> i saw a complete uatx motherboard with atom cpu (missing RAM) for about 70 euro today
Jan 04 06:01:37 <johnnyjohnjohn> oh cool
Jan 04 06:01:45 <pupnik_> dual atom-cpu @ 1.6ghz
Jan 04 06:02:08 <pupnik_> that would replace a desktop box for me in some ways
Jan 04 06:02:16 <johnnyjohnjohn> well my whole concept is to really create an optimal interface for mobile and desktop environments
Jan 04 06:02:17 <johnx> pupnik_, pretty nice deal. I think I've seen them just as cheap on newegg.com but good deal for people in Europe
Jan 04 06:02:41 <johnx> johnnyjohnjohn, do you have a tablet?
Jan 04 06:02:47 <johnnyjohnjohn> and I've been involved with the nuigroup.org project
Jan 04 06:02:53 <johnnyjohnjohn> just a maemo
Jan 04 06:02:57 <johnnyjohnjohn> but I use a waco
Jan 04 06:03:03 <johnnyjohnjohn> wacom pen tablet :)
Jan 04 06:03:16 <johnx> err...sorry, meant internet tablet in this case. n800? n810?
Jan 04 06:03:40 <johnnyjohnjohn> n900
Jan 04 06:03:58 <johnnyjohnjohn> haven't used it much though
Jan 04 06:04:04 <johnx> n900?
Jan 04 06:04:08 <johnnyjohnjohn> yeah
Jan 04 06:04:12 <johnx> the one coming out in june 2009 :)
Jan 04 06:04:19 <johnnyjohnjohn> oh wait
Jan 04 06:04:23 <johnnyjohnjohn> sorry
Jan 04 06:04:31 <johnx> broke into Nokia and grabbed one of their prototypes? :D
Jan 04 06:04:46 <johnx> now *that* would get people's attention on iTT :D
Jan 04 06:05:17 <johnnyjohnjohn> n810
Jan 04 06:05:20 <johnnyjohnjohn> that's what it is
Jan 04 06:05:51 <lcuk> johnnyjohnjohn, :) have you seen my work?
Jan 04 06:05:56 <johnnyjohnjohn> no
Jan 04 06:05:59 <johnnyjohnjohn> what is it?
Jan 04 06:06:06 <johnx> lcuk, just who I was expecting to be interested :D
Jan 04 06:06:24 <johnx> I should figure out some layout stuff then ...
Jan 04 06:06:59 <johnnyjohnjohn> do you have a link?
Jan 04 06:07:05 <lcuk> start here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ (and vote me up while you are there :P), my homepage is liqbase.net, and then to top it off for tonight, my app launcher
Jan 04 06:07:16 <lcuk> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254048
Jan 04 06:07:35 <johnx> ahaha...what a wonderful timing coincidence :)
Jan 04 06:08:44 <lcuk> im up *really* late tonight :S
Jan 04 06:09:08 <johnx> jeez, no kidding. I didn't expect to see you for another ~4-5 hours
Jan 04 06:09:33 <johnnyjohnjohn> it would be awesome if you could make your doodles hyperlinks
Jan 04 06:10:00 <lcuk> johnnyjohnjohn, :) wouldnt it just
Jan 04 06:10:25 <johnnyjohnjohn> I mean, I'd be into it
Jan 04 06:10:27 <lcuk> johnx, got a lot straight in my mind tonight
Jan 04 06:10:47 <johnnyjohnjohn> oh yeah
Jan 04 06:10:59 <johnnyjohnjohn> and trigger sound files and movies
Jan 04 06:11:04 <johnx> lcuk, good good. :) and looks like I have my next task to solve: panel layouts :$
Jan 04 06:11:16 <lcuk> johnnyjohnjohn, every single box in the ui can technically house a sketch
Jan 04 06:11:42 <lcuk> every single sketch can contain multiple sketches
Jan 04 06:13:12 <lcuk> anyway, bedtime
Jan 04 06:13:24 <johnx> 'night lcuk :)
Jan 04 06:13:38 <lcuk> johnnyjohnjohn, my mail address is clearly visible pretty much everywhere liqbase related, send me a mail
Jan 04 06:14:24 <johnnyjohnjohn> cool
Jan 04 06:14:28 <johnnyjohnjohn> have a good night
Jan 04 06:14:29 <johnnyjohnjohn> :)
Jan 04 06:16:57 <johnx> so, yes, definitely post a sample layout to itt forums, and I'll see if I can figure out the layout...but *no promises*
Jan 04 06:18:15 <johnx> hmm, also can you picture your theme working ok rotated 90 degrees? as in 480x800? or 480x640?
Jan 04 06:21:51 <pupnik_> also nice
Jan 04 06:22:05 <pupnik_> a notebook hard drive consisting of 6 full-size SD slots
Jan 04 06:22:43 <johnx> yeah, seen those in a couple places. and I always liked the IDE->CF converters
Jan 04 06:56:45 <pupnik_> yeah johnx
Jan 04 06:57:32 <pupnik_> btw i may seriously consider putting up a 'Hall of Shame' for apps that create their own repository / App-Mgr categories
Jan 04 06:57:58 <johnx> you mean a nice list so people can add those repos and break their n8x0?
Jan 04 06:58:00 <johnx> :D
Jan 04 07:09:44 <johnx> hey rm_you| :)
Jan 04 07:11:06 <rm_you|> bbl
Jan 04 07:11:09 <rm_you|> heading to beths
Jan 04 07:11:11 <rm_you|> >_>
Jan 04 07:11:15 <johnx> grrr :P
Jan 04 07:11:18 <rm_you|> i'll eat some hashbrowns for you
Jan 04 07:11:21 <rm_you|> <_<
Jan 04 07:11:30 <rm_you|> bbl
Jan 04 07:11:35 <johnx> 'later
Jan 04 07:11:36 <johnx> enjoy
Jan 04 07:20:53 <tlkg> anyone use irreco to connect to a linux box with the telnet backend?
Jan 04 07:49:01 <pupnik_> johnx: in app manager - show installable applications - look at all the categories containing only one program
Jan 04 07:49:31 <pupnik_> that is an *embarassment*
Jan 04 07:50:16 <qwerty12> Like this: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/appman/testing/testing/newappmgrcatergories.png? :D
Jan 04 07:50:19 <johnx> pupnik_, push Nokia to get a new SSU out with GA's fixed catagories
Jan 04 07:50:51 <johnx> 99% of the apps would be in Other right now :)
Jan 04 07:50:56 <johnx> anyways, off into the world
Jan 04 07:53:19 <pupnik_> cheers johnx
Jan 04 07:53:33 <pupnik_> nice job to qwerty12
Jan 04 07:54:07 <qwerty12> It's not my work (minus some parts on the hide legal message) :)
Jan 04 08:34:12 <Stskeeps> morning
Jan 04 08:34:37 <qwerty12> morning Stskeeps
Jan 04 08:39:41 <Stskeeps> johnx: just push source package to builder if so :)
Jan 04 09:11:13 <Stskeeps> morning meiz
Jan 04 09:14:08 <Meiz_n810> morning
Jan 04 09:24:01 <MaceN800> damnit
Jan 04 09:24:20 <Stskeeps> morn
Jan 04 09:25:45 <MaceN800> my g1 has a dead pixel
Jan 04 09:25:53 <MaceN800> 2 days old
Jan 04 09:26:11 <MaceN800> im taking it back first thing tomorrow
Jan 04 09:26:30 <MaceN800> using my n95 again
Jan 04 09:26:47 <MaceN800> you think nokia would repair my n95?
Jan 04 09:27:04 <MaceN800> it's taken a couple minor falls
Jan 04 09:27:24 <MaceN800> and has 2 scratches and a slight chip
Jan 04 09:27:45 <MaceN800> only cosmetic, but ugly
Jan 04 09:28:18 <MaceN800> wonder if i can get a replacement case kit for it
Jan 04 09:43:59 <pupnik_> what is a g1
Jan 04 09:44:20 <qwerty12> pupnik_, http://www.t-mobileg1.com/
Jan 04 09:48:05 <pupnik_> ah
Jan 04 09:48:12 <pupnik_> looks almost not sucky
Jan 04 09:48:22 <pupnik_> - no std headphone jack
Jan 04 09:48:35 <pupnik_> - 320x480 display
Jan 04 09:49:17 <Vulcanis> thats IT?!
Jan 04 09:49:32 <Vulcanis> 320x480 seems absurd
Jan 04 09:49:35 <pupnik_> + kbd looks usable
Jan 04 09:50:14 <pupnik_> iirc, iphone uses 320x480 and is very popular
Jan 04 09:52:17 <qwerty12> Hah, http://i37.tinypic.com/2vj2bk4.jpg
Jan 04 10:02:15 <MaceN800> ok.. that was strange
Jan 04 10:02:35 <MaceN800> n800 batt went from 80% to low
Jan 04 10:02:59 <Vulcanis> [04:50:15] <pupnik_> iirc, iphone uses 320x480 and is very popular -- its also disgusting
Jan 04 10:03:15 <Vulcanis> qwerty12: My favorite was a vista error
Jan 04 10:03:24 <Vulcanis> that told me the windows error reporting service had stopped
Jan 04 10:03:30 <Vulcanis> er
Jan 04 10:03:31 <Vulcanis> crashed
Jan 04 10:03:47 <qwerty12> Ha
Jan 04 10:03:55 <MaceN800> haha
Jan 04 10:03:58 <qwerty12> I like keeping it disabled anyway :P
Jan 04 10:04:39 <MaceN800> ugh... need my bbt kb
Jan 04 10:04:43 <MaceN800> bt
Jan 04 10:05:06 <MaceN800> wish i got an n810 insteaad of the n800
Jan 04 10:05:46 <MaceN800> that's better
Jan 04 10:06:03 <MaceN800> i wonder if i coudl map the menu button on this thing
Jan 04 10:06:26 <MaceN800> you woudl figre an n800 would have support for a su8w
Jan 04 10:07:15 <Jaffa> Mornin'
Jan 04 10:15:54 <keesj> hi ppl
Jan 04 10:17:04 <qwerty12> hi keesj
Jan 04 10:18:06 <keesj> been using n800 for real the last two weeks
Jan 04 10:19:00 <keesj> used liqbase a lot and canola. really missed the gps
Jan 04 10:19:29 <keesj> but my n810's touchscreen was killed by kids
Jan 04 10:20:11 <qwerty12> I'm surprised my N800's touchscreen hasn't died yet :P
Jan 04 10:20:47 <keesj> the 770 screen where bad but the n800 and 810 are much better.
Jan 04 10:21:29 <qwerty12> Looking at the amount of WSOD's with 770, I think 770 was a disaster imo. Except for being able to play videos better :)
Jan 04 10:21:35 <keesj> but specialy with liqbase you see sensditivity problems around the borders of the screen
Jan 04 10:22:17 <keesj> the 770 plastics and raw design are what I really like
Jan 04 10:24:12 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: do you know what is gonna happen if i copy /etc/osso-af-init from maemo to Mer?
Jan 04 10:27:38 <MaceN800> hm
Jan 04 10:28:08 <x29a> hey, anybody keen to help me set up my external sd card for booting? im following the wiki but i dont understand what the 480MB vfat partition is for, and the cloning script writes stuff to the second partition, so of course my initfs cant find anything to boot from
Jan 04 10:28:54 <Meiz_n810> x29a: search for "console-tools" at internettablettalk.com
Jan 04 10:30:56 <MaceN800> there... that should do it
Jan 04 10:34:33 <MaceN800> gftp seems much better
Jan 04 10:35:06 <MaceN800> although im only getting 350K/s over wifi
Jan 04 10:35:24 <MaceN800> that might be n800 sftp overhead tho
Jan 04 10:44:38 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: not sure its such a good idea :P
Jan 04 10:45:43 <Meizirkki> i just tried it, some errors, nothing else happened
Jan 04 10:46:22 <qwerty12> xscreensaver is brilliant on the n800, I just need to fix the settings window to show everything
Jan 04 10:46:32 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: it is very cpu intensive
Jan 04 10:47:01 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, hehe, I don't think people will use it to save battery, I'm using it for the effects :)
Jan 04 10:47:05 <Meizirkki> is there any terminal emulator for Mer, that could work h-i-m
Jan 04 10:47:06 <Meizirkki> ?
Jan 04 10:47:33 <Meizirkki> with h-i-m
Jan 04 10:47:45 <qwerty12> Meizirkki, when I first built roxterm and didn't hildonize it, it supported hildon input method out of the box. In fact, it even said h-i-m in its menu
Jan 04 10:48:24 <Meizirkki> ok, thanks
Jan 04 10:48:34 <qwerty12> This was in Maemo though
Jan 04 10:48:45 * qwerty12 goes and has some fun with glade...
Jan 04 10:51:55 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: we have some problems with osso-xterm and vte atm but sooner or later..
Jan 04 10:52:04 <Meizirkki> ok
Jan 04 10:52:20 <Meizirkki> There is h-i-m selected in ROXterm menu, but i don't know how to get it up...
Jan 04 10:52:55 <Stskeeps> click the terminal? dunno :P
Jan 04 10:53:12 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, how about using libvte9 and applying maemo patches to that instead? but I don't know how far that would make you deviate from maemo though...
Jan 04 10:53:35 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: maybe
Jan 04 10:53:47 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i just suspect this isn't the only app we'll run into with that problem though
Jan 04 10:54:13 <qwerty12> yer
Jan 04 10:54:35 <qwerty12> I do think the mer sdk does need fixing though
Jan 04 10:54:51 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 04 10:55:05 <Stskeeps> well one of the problems might be that your scratchbox core isnt recent
Jan 04 10:55:36 <qwerty12> Could be actually, I haven't updated this system in a long time (apologies in advance for blaming your sdk if it is me not updating)
Jan 04 10:55:54 <Stslaptop> hehe, no need to apologise to me :)
Jan 04 10:56:03 <Stslaptop> scratchbox is sometimes a bit of a clusterfuck :)
Jan 04 10:56:08 <qwerty12> hehe :)
Jan 04 11:04:25 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: look at tablet-wireless script, there is following line: "ifconfig wlan0 up - was for network-manager"
Jan 04 11:05:22 <Meizirkki> "-" should be "#" i guess?
Jan 04 11:07:13 <Meizirkki> nm-applet still refuses to connect, when i removed the "- was for network-manager" part.
Jan 04 11:15:38 <x29a> Meizirkki: so the vfat/dos partition is only for showing up when plugged in as usb-device?
Jan 04 11:20:49 <x29a> swapon > virtual memory?
Jan 04 11:22:58 <MaceN800> hm. tmob only gives me an edge connection in my n95
Jan 04 11:24:16 <Stslaptop> Meizirkki: you're right
Jan 04 11:24:45 <MaceN800> i want to try nitdroid
Jan 04 11:25:00 <MaceN800> but no sound or bt? =)
Jan 04 11:25:21 <MaceN800> that's rough
Jan 04 11:26:37 <Meizirkki> x29a: yes
Jan 04 11:27:00 <Meizirkki> (swap = virtual memory [on card])
Jan 04 11:27:18 <x29a> ok
Jan 04 11:34:17 <MaceN800> wow
Jan 04 11:34:35 <MaceN800> no maemo support for bt headphones still?
Jan 04 11:34:48 <MaceN800> am i missing something here?
Jan 04 11:37:34 <MaceN800> figured a2dp would be there by now
Jan 04 11:48:32 <MaceN800> wtf... i cant believe there is no a2dp support right out the box for an n800
Jan 04 11:54:38 <Stskeeps> MaceN800: trust me, i wasnt happy about it either :P
Jan 04 11:55:11 <MaceN800> is it possible to add it?
Jan 04 11:55:13 <Stskeeps> but so it is. it supports bt headset, but not headphone. fremantle will support a2dp
Jan 04 11:55:18 <Stskeeps> there's a larger thread on iTT on it
Jan 04 11:55:36 <MaceN800> fremantle?
Jan 04 11:55:42 <MaceN800> os 2009?
Jan 04 11:55:46 <MaceN800> ;)
Jan 04 11:56:38 <Stskeeps> maemo 5.0 :P
Jan 04 11:57:01 <MaceN800> hah!
Jan 04 11:57:17 <MaceN800> requires reflash?
Jan 04 11:57:32 <MaceN800> or can diablo update on the fly?
Jan 04 11:58:01 <qwerty12> It's not available officially on N800 or N810.
Jan 04 11:58:07 <qwerty12> Or rather, will not be
Jan 04 11:58:24 <Stslaptop> which is what mer is for, but im not sure a2dp can run sanely on n8x0? :P
Jan 04 11:58:43 <qwerty12> Probably not, I think lardman says it uses the cortex for a2dp
Jan 04 12:01:56 <MaceN800> It has not yet been determined whether Fremantle will run on current N800, and N810 devices, though.[40]
Jan 04 12:02:32 <MaceN800> that's a let down
Jan 04 12:02:48 <MaceN800> ;)
Jan 04 12:03:15 <MaceN800> and i lost the wire phones that came w/ n800
Jan 04 12:03:17 <qwerty12> "Maemo 5 comes today as an SDK only since it targets the OMAP3 architecture and no OMAP2 compatibility will be officially provided." ;)
Jan 04 12:03:50 <MaceN800> thanks qwerty.. and i was going to get an xohm n810
Jan 04 12:03:58 <MaceN800> glad i didnt
Jan 04 12:04:24 <qwerty12> Yeah, the N900 with hspda will be better than wimax anyway :P
Jan 04 12:04:29 <qwerty12> *RX-51
Jan 04 12:04:50 <MaceN800> yeah but i just killed my att acct
Jan 04 12:05:01 <MaceN800> and went w/ tmmob
Jan 04 12:05:13 <qwerty12> What, doesn't T-Mobile USA provide 3g?
Jan 04 12:05:21 <MaceN800> who are probably bw whores
Jan 04 12:05:22 <qwerty12> I know they do over here
Jan 04 12:05:27 <qwerty12> heh
Jan 04 12:05:28 <MaceN800> they do
Jan 04 12:06:10 <MaceN800> the woman at the store said that my service would be cut if i tried to use my g1 as a modem
Jan 04 12:06:26 <MaceN800> the g1/android plan throttles
Jan 04 12:06:33 <qwerty12> sucks :/
Jan 04 12:06:42 <MaceN800> i tried using an android client to download stuff and they cut me off at 5MB
Jan 04 12:06:55 <MaceN800> i can use their edge all day long tho
Jan 04 12:07:16 <MaceN800> my quad band unlocked n95 wont' connect to their 3G network
Jan 04 12:07:30 <MaceN800> and i have no idea why heh
Jan 04 12:07:59 <qwerty12> Is it an American N95? 3g frequencies in America are different to the ones in Europe
Jan 04 12:08:07 <MaceN800> yah
Jan 04 12:08:18 <MaceN800> n95-3
Jan 04 12:08:27 <MaceN800> it worked fine with att
Jan 04 12:08:46 <MaceN800> and if att's network wouldn't drop my ppp connectin all day long i'd have kept them
Jan 04 12:09:00 <qwerty12> Is the SIM a USIM?
Jan 04 12:09:09 <MaceN800> i think the moon had to be in a certain place for me to actually download more than 200M
Jan 04 12:09:17 <MaceN800> hm
Jan 04 12:09:18 <qwerty12> hah
Jan 04 12:09:19 <MaceN800> honestly dunno
Jan 04 12:09:27 <MaceN800> i havfe it in my n95 now
Jan 04 12:09:41 <MaceN800> taking the g1 back because it has a dead pixel
Jan 04 12:09:51 <MaceN800> made in china
Jan 04 12:10:08 <MaceN800> no 2 day old device should have dead pixels
Jan 04 12:10:10 <qwerty12> It's why I love my N800 - Made in Finland :)
Jan 04 12:10:17 <MaceN800> yah
Jan 04 12:10:28 <MaceN800> you can tell the quality difference  between nokia products
Jan 04 12:10:32 <MaceN800> well.. most of them
Jan 04 12:10:36 <MaceN800> and htc stuff
Jan 04 12:10:44 <MaceN800> the g1 is flimsy
Jan 04 12:11:15 <MaceN800> it doesn't slide open as it more so CLUNKS open on this half circle arm thing
Jan 04 12:11:21 <MaceN800> the n95 slides so smooth i was expecting oil to leak from it
Jan 04 12:11:41 <qwerty12> Eurgh, hopefully, there will be better made products using android
Jan 04 12:12:00 <MaceN800> yeah... let's hope so
Jan 04 12:12:10 <MaceN800> because i have to admit.. android is really good
Jan 04 12:12:32 <MaceN800> i think it beats the crap out of symbian to tell you the truth
Jan 04 12:12:51 <qwerty12> Yeah, I quite enjoyed using nitdroid on the N800. Don't think it could replace Maemo on the N800 but I wouldn't mind having a separate android device
Jan 04 12:12:53 <MaceN800> i don't understand why symbian is so hard to make nice looking heh
Jan 04 12:13:15 <MaceN800> i haven't tried it yet
Jan 04 12:13:25 <MaceN800> no bt and no uhm.. no something that i like... sound?
Jan 04 12:13:28 <MaceN800> so i haven't bothered
Jan 04 12:13:50 <qwerty12> Blame linux-omap guys :P. Sound driver for N800 is too old :P
Jan 04 12:14:00 <qwerty12> Sound works on N810 :/
Jan 04 12:14:07 <MaceN800> haha
Jan 04 12:14:34 <MaceN800> does it?
Jan 04 12:14:34 <MaceN800> no gps support tho
Jan 04 12:14:58 <MaceN800> i wouldn't be able to live with myself having a piece of hardware in a unit not able to do anything
Jan 04 12:15:13 <MaceN800> yeah.. so far maemo seems the only way to go
Jan 04 12:15:17 <qwerty12> yeah, latest linux-omap tree has current support for sound in N810
Jan 04 12:15:26 <qwerty12> Heh, looking at the gps, I think I could live without it :P
Jan 04 12:15:37 <MaceN800> i could too
Jan 04 12:15:44 <MaceN800> but it's the principle ;)
Jan 04 12:15:50 <MaceN800> and the bt
Jan 04 12:16:03 <MaceN800> i wouldn't be able to stand not being able to use my bt keyboard
Jan 04 12:16:18 <MaceN800> the n800 doesn't use a standard headphone jack does it?
Jan 04 12:16:39 * MaceN800 thinks there is only one way to find out
Jan 04 12:16:50 <qwerty12> Yep, it can use normal headphones fine. It has an extra 3rd prong but that's just for a microphone
Jan 04 12:17:51 <MaceN800> i thought the 3rd prong would mess up standard headphones
Jan 04 12:18:14 <MaceN800> maybe it was a fluke last time i tried.. but the sound didn't seem right
Jan 04 12:18:27 <MaceN800> i wish nokia would release an android device
Jan 04 12:18:33 <suihkulokki> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg08026.html
Jan 04 12:18:37 <MaceN800> oficially
Jan 04 12:18:47 <MaceN800> but they are stuck with symbian on their hones
Jan 04 12:18:50 <suihkulokki> there's the intructions on porting n800 driver to current linux-omap :)
Jan 04 12:18:50 <MaceN800> phones
Jan 04 12:19:11 <MaceN800> suihk, i'm not that good
Jan 04 12:19:13 <MaceN800> heh
Jan 04 12:19:58 <glass> MaceN800: google isn't as open/free about official android as they like to pose
Jan 04 12:20:33 <MaceN800> i'm wondering if the same could be said for nokia and symbian ;)
Jan 04 12:20:58 <MaceN800> google allowed just enough out there to allow people to develop for it
Jan 04 12:21:00 <glass> MaceN800: symbian is actually more open.. and the native apps are native
Jan 04 12:21:15 <glass> open in the sense of what you can d
Jan 04 12:21:17 <qwerty12> well, I found this ironic looking at the signing shit: http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/10/nokia-ad-open.jpg
Jan 04 12:21:17 <MaceN800> giving them a market with a huge selection of software in a short amount of time
Jan 04 12:21:19 <glass> o
Jan 04 12:21:53 <MaceN800> but it's not as pretty and does not attract people to dev for it
Jan 04 12:22:28 <MaceN800> it's boring ;)
Jan 04 12:22:40 <MaceN800> symbian is great and powerful and you can get a lot done on it.. but it looks absolutely dull
Jan 04 12:23:50 <MaceN800> it's like having a quad i7... and running blackbox on it just because you want to remain minimal
Jan 04 12:24:40 <glass> you mean theming? or the stupid ui lib on s60?
Jan 04 12:27:21 <MaceN800> thhhhhhhhe ui
Jan 04 12:28:38 <MaceN800> it's just a shitty ui :) well.. not shitty.. but yoou could do so much more with the hardware in an n95 or e71 than what symbian does
Jan 04 12:28:38 <MaceN800> i'm waiting on an android for my n95
Jan 04 12:28:43 <MaceN800> that would be so awesome
Jan 04 12:32:56 <florian> hi all
Jan 04 12:33:13 <Meizirkki> hi
Jan 04 12:36:19 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: found weird fix for libtool oddity
Jan 04 12:36:39 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, wicked
Jan 04 12:36:42 <Stskeeps> go to ECHO="echo" in libtool (when generated), and change it to echo="echo"
Jan 04 12:37:37 <qwerty12_N800> This is why i hate case sensitivity sometimes :P
Jan 04 12:38:08 <Stskeeps> yeah..
Jan 04 12:38:35 <MaceN800> is there anything to boost the vol in maemo?
Jan 04 12:38:56 <MaceN800> the output from the jack seems so low
Jan 04 12:39:25 <qwerty12_N800> If you use easy debian, gnome alsa mixer works a treat
Jan 04 12:39:55 <MaceN800>  im in stock maemo
Jan 04 12:40:08 <qwerty12_N800> (although if truth be told, that's all I did use it for)
Jan 04 12:40:19 <MaceN800> i havent had time to tweak my n800
Jan 04 12:42:06 <Stskeeps> you got tired of your G1 already? :P
Jan 04 12:42:31 <MaceN800> lol no!
Jan 04 12:42:42 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i kinda like the "open to anything" motto for tablets though
Jan 04 12:42:53 <MaceN800> i have it boxed up now
Jan 04 12:43:06 <MaceN800> going to return it because it has a dead pixel
Jan 04 12:43:17 <MaceN800> i don't play that shit on a brand new phone
Jan 04 12:43:44 <MaceN800> and i'd probably be able to deal with it if it were in a place i wouldn't notice it much.. but it's in a spot that shows up in every menu i open
Jan 04 12:43:52 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, yeah.. I hope the rx-51 raises the stakes...
Jan 04 12:43:57 <MaceN800> it's like bird shit right in front of your face on your windshield
Jan 04 12:45:24 <Stskeeps> MaceN800: think we have a rule in .dk dead pixels are ok .. up to 5 or so, but on a phone it might be different
Jan 04 12:45:29 <Meizirkki> ! I didn't know that in Mer, "chr" button kiks up menu in non-hildonized apps o_0
Jan 04 12:45:30 <Stskeeps> as this rule is for tvs
Jan 04 12:45:38 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: i still dont have a n810 :P
Jan 04 12:45:43 <Stskeeps> but neat
Jan 04 12:45:59 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: how broken is installer right now btw?
Jan 04 12:46:01 <Meizirkki> it comes up to the place, where mouse is :P
Jan 04 12:46:12 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: it should work
Jan 04 12:46:18 <MaceN800> a tv has far more pixels
Jan 04 12:46:19 <MaceN800> heh
Jan 04 12:46:28 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: "should work"? :>
Jan 04 12:46:41 <MaceN800> and i am sure that having a dead pixel on a brand new item is cause for return
Jan 04 12:46:57 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: i haven't tested the latest version, but we found what was wrong
Jan 04 12:47:01 <Stskeeps> alright
Jan 04 12:47:13 <Stskeeps> thanks for helping out, i just dont have time for those testings atm :P
Jan 04 12:47:22 <Meizirkki> np
Jan 04 12:47:30 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: think libtool in mer devkit might aid things?
Jan 04 12:47:53 * RST38h moos evilly, fresh from debugging 68000 code
Jan 04 12:48:17 <MaceN800> 68000 code?
Jan 04 12:48:19 <MaceN800> haha
Jan 04 12:48:29 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, probably, even more so if it's fixed
Jan 04 12:48:33 <MaceN800> you coding for a sega genesis?
Jan 04 12:48:39 <qwerty12_N800> moo RST38h
Jan 04 12:48:58 <RST38h> Mace: I am debugging a sega genesis.
Jan 04 12:49:10 <RST38h> Don't ask. And I won't tell how gay it is.
Jan 04 12:49:20 <MaceN800> understood :)
Jan 04 12:49:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: only "issue" is that libtool is 2.x in ubuntu though
Jan 04 12:49:49 <Stskeeps> and i'm willing to bet a lot of crap breaks :>
Jan 04 12:50:06 <RST38h> qwerty: whaZZZup? (judging from the number of downloads from maemo.org, it is more like ZZZ than up)
Jan 04 12:50:26 <qwerty12_N800> :/
Jan 04 12:51:03 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, heh, nothing much, just finished packaging zenity earlier :D
Jan 04 12:51:03 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: on the other hand, these issues would arise when nokia upgrades to libtool 2 too:P
Jan 04 12:51:50 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, maybe they never will :P
Jan 04 12:57:00 <MaceN800> http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_stereo_audio_with_XMMS
Jan 04 12:57:05 <MaceN800> wtf?
Jan 04 12:57:25 <MaceN800> so it's possible?
Jan 04 12:58:45 <gladiac> you can use a bluetooth device as a soundcard
Jan 04 12:58:52 <gladiac> there is a kernel module for that
Jan 04 12:59:12 <suihkulokki> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=a2dp
Jan 04 13:01:10 <Stskeeps> i swear, with all the fucking about in scratchbox i've been doing, it's going to end up on my cv.
Jan 04 13:05:06 <johnx> Stskeeps, you can bet that once we get closer to Mer beta I'm going to add "package maintainer" to my resume
Jan 04 13:05:15 <RST38h> Sts: "Skills: carmic sex with Scratchbox, deep knowledged of all positions"
Jan 04 13:05:32 <RST38h> knowledge
Jan 04 13:05:33 <Stskeeps> johnx: heh heh
Jan 04 13:05:35 <johnx> RST38h, both giving and receiving
Jan 04 13:05:43 <RST38h> yep.
Jan 04 13:09:30 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: certainly belongs to a buzzword style CV :)
Jan 04 13:10:45 <Stskeeps> hehe :P
Jan 04 13:10:48 <RST38h> Actually, "Skills: Scratchboxing'
Jan 04 13:11:04 <Stskeeps> that kinda fits the experience once in a while, yes
Jan 04 13:11:43 <Stskeeps> (no offense meant to scratchbox coders, it is actually a good tool, just a little like boxing with the additional rule it's alright to scratch eachother.)
Jan 04 13:13:24 <johnx> yeah, cross compiling is a hairy problem. OE and scratchbox make it saner, but it can never really be simple by definition of the problem
Jan 04 13:14:00 <johnx> MaceN800, if you didn't already know AT&T and T-Mo use different bands for 3G in the US
Jan 04 13:14:26 <Stskeeps> sometimes i don't blame the java people :P
Jan 04 13:14:59 <MaceN800> what band does tmob use?
Jan 04 13:15:15 <johnx> hrrr...one of them uses 1700 and one uses 2100
Jan 04 13:15:20 <johnx> dunno which is which
Jan 04 13:16:26 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: now with sane libtool, .. i think
Jan 04 13:17:13 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, brilliant. I'll give my system an update later
Jan 04 13:17:25 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: alright
Jan 04 13:19:41 <johnx> er, wait, t-mo uses *both* 1700 and 2100. but not the EU 2100. AT&T uses 1900 and 850
Jan 04 13:20:23 <johnx> GSM/WCDMA frequencies are SNAFU
Jan 04 13:23:27 * RST38h is most scare of three things in the US: the Cable Company, the Phone Company and the Cell Company
Jan 04 13:23:34 <RST38h> scared
Jan 04 13:23:49 <johnx> American oil isn't on the list?
Jan 04 13:23:54 <RST38h> Satan's tripod
Jan 04 13:24:07 <RST38h> johnx: No, I do not have to converse with these
Jan 04 13:24:42 <johnx> ah, I think they get us into more wars than the info-comm-tainment companies
Jan 04 13:24:45 <RST38h> johnx: + oil guys are somewhere at the scale of natural disasters, they are not personified enough
Jan 04 13:28:01 <johnx> oooh, other people working on omapfb?
Jan 04 13:28:05 <Stskeeps> where?
Jan 04 13:28:12 <johnx> http://cgit.pingu.fi/xf86-video-omapfb/
Jan 04 13:28:18 <Stskeeps> same place afaik
Jan 04 13:28:21 <johnx> darn
Jan 04 13:28:32 <johnx> didn't know that's where they came from
Jan 04 13:29:25 <johnx> they have manual updates though I think O_o
Jan 04 13:29:31 <Stskeeps> only wv
Jan 04 13:29:32 <Stskeeps> xv
Jan 04 13:29:33 <Stskeeps> i think
Jan 04 13:30:00 <johnx> that's an odd choice
Jan 04 13:30:17 <Stskeeps> ask kulve sometime about it i guess
Jan 04 13:33:18 <johnx> someone really needs to tell the guys on linux-omap about deblet...
Jan 04 13:33:58 <Stskeeps> hm?
Jan 04 13:34:14 <johnx> just read most of the thread linked in the scrollback
Jan 04 13:34:24 <johnx> lots of people trying to make debian work with low degree of success
Jan 04 13:34:48 <Stskeeps> url?
Jan 04 13:34:50 <johnx> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg08026.html
Jan 04 13:35:33 <Stskeeps> otto = solca btw
Jan 04 13:36:13 <johnx> yeah, guessed that :)
Jan 04 13:36:23 <johnx> from the last name and the subject matter
Jan 04 13:36:57 <Stskeeps> that's a good thread so far
Jan 04 13:39:14 <Stskeeps> but yea, it's fascinating to see how quick people get OS'es bootstrapped after getting to know what initfs tricks to employ :P
Jan 04 13:39:34 <RST38h> BTW, gentlemen, what will you say if N9x0 comes with the 24bpp display?
Jan 04 13:39:46 <johnx> bah, initfs tricks are cheating: why back in my day... *shakes fist*
Jan 04 13:39:47 <alterego> I'll say, why they hell?
Jan 04 13:40:09 <Stskeeps> yeah, men can only see 16 colors anyway
Jan 04 13:40:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 04 13:40:12 <johnx> RST38h, i'll say: it'll be easy to switch to 16bit visuals in linux
Jan 04 13:40:16 <Stskeeps> well, or distinguish
Jan 04 13:40:21 <johnx> or name?
Jan 04 13:40:25 <Stskeeps> .. that too
Jan 04 13:40:36 <johnx> if I can't name it I don't want to see it :P
Jan 04 13:40:47 <johnx> what's with muave and shartruse (sp?)
Jan 04 13:41:10 <RST38h> johnx: no, what if the basic desktop color resolution is 24bpp?
Jan 04 13:41:14 <alterego> Looks at Cairo::Colors :)
Jan 04 13:41:23 <jaska> mauve chartreuse
Jan 04 13:41:26 <qwerty12_N800> Bring the colours on, baby! :p
Jan 04 13:41:30 <jaska> had to look up chartreuse
Jan 04 13:41:58 <johnx> RST38h, I won't be surprised, but for people who need 16bit it shouldn't be too hard. also: it will probably be 32bit
Jan 04 13:42:45 <johnx> jaska, exactly. if I have to look them up, I don't need um! 4-bits is enough for anyone
Jan 04 13:43:06 <jaska> hehe.. i just remembered it started with a c
Jan 04 13:43:20 <johnx> Stskeeps, I think we have DPMS in x-x-v-omapfb (!). no more dsme blacnking!
Jan 04 13:43:51 <johnx> <- spelling b0rken
Jan 04 13:44:11 <qwerty12_N800> I love dsme blacnking, don't you dare remove it
Jan 04 13:44:26 <johnx> what about blanking? :P
Jan 04 13:44:32 <johnx> can I remove that?
Jan 04 13:44:35 <RST38h> johnx: Yes, it will be 32bit, i.e. twice as much data to move around
Jan 04 13:44:45 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, sure :P
Jan 04 13:44:53 <RST38h> johnx: And I am not asking it out of academic curiosity btw
Jan 04 13:45:46 <Stskeeps> johnx: interesting
Jan 04 13:46:29 <johnx> RST38h, if there's no difference in speed between 16/32bits on the GPU and they have the RAM to play with (say 512MB) it's just a question of making *damn sure* they don't do something really stupid with the LCD bus...again
Jan 04 13:47:07 <ShadowJK> That xf86-video-omapfb thing... It does some software conversion if you feed it YV12 (which is the native format for nearly all video codecs by default)... Surprise surprise, benchmarking xv on Maemo shows that YV12->XV is slower than YUY2->XV, with mplayer doing the conversion in the second case...
Jan 04 13:47:28 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: can you understand X driver structure? :P
Jan 04 13:47:41 <Stskeeps> if so, code manual updates for us ;)
Jan 04 13:48:10 <ShadowJK> And if this software behind-your-back conversion in the Xv driver hadn't been implemented in the first place, MPlayer would've automatically converted to YUY2 and it'd performed better without the need to tweak manually
Jan 04 13:48:53 <ShadowJK> (of course, the maemo port of mplayer has some scary raw omapfb output which slaughters xv anyway...)
Jan 04 13:49:06 <ShadowJK> Stskeeps, no I have no clue
Jan 04 13:49:49 <johnx> ah, mplayer: a different output system for every fb :)
Jan 04 13:50:51 <ShadowJK> yes well, when vendors and driver writers manage to cripple Xv so often, people resort to desperate acts
Jan 04 13:51:17 * johnx doesn't even remember xfbdev on the zaurus having xv...
Jan 04 13:52:56 <ssvb> ShadowJK: Xomap has an optimized YUV conversion code and it will slaughter that xf86-video-omapfb thing on Xv performance
Jan 04 13:53:45 <ssvb> ShadowJK: that is until somebody cares to port optimized YUV conversion code to xf86-video-omapfb :)
Jan 04 13:53:48 <johnx> yeah, but xorg fits so much better into ubuntu than xomap...
Jan 04 13:54:18 <RST38h> johnx: there is x2 difference
Jan 04 13:54:22 <ShadowJK> ssvb, quickly looking over it, I didn't find any other conversion than planar->packed?
Jan 04 13:54:47 <ssvb> ShadowJK: that's the only relevant conversion
Jan 04 13:55:04 <ssvb> the others are much less important
Jan 04 13:55:09 <ShadowJK> right
Jan 04 13:55:19 <johnx> RST38h, yes, in xv. but mice work 2x better or more in xorg. :P
Jan 04 13:55:27 <RST38h> johnx: see, I started hacking into 5800 yesterday, an s60e5 device supposedly similar in hw to upcoming n9x0
Jan 04 13:55:29 <ShadowJK> What I just benchmarked was then Xomap's conversion vs MPlayer's conversion
Jan 04 13:55:52 <RST38h> johnx: and it seems to be restricted to 32bit RGBA mode
Jan 04 13:55:56 <johnx> RST38h, huh? a poervr sgx? mbx?
Jan 04 13:56:15 <RST38h> johnx: did not touch that, I just need scren buffer access
Jan 04 13:56:39 <RST38h> wanted to drop it into 16bpp like previous s60e3 devices but no go
Jan 04 13:56:54 <johnx> RST38h, sorry if this sounds dim, so you mean just the LCD controller doesn't support 16bit?
Jan 04 13:57:13 <RST38h> johnx: apparently
Jan 04 13:57:40 <RST38h> or the os does not let you enable it for some reason
Jan 04 13:58:08 <johnx> odd. I think it will be on-chip on the omap3, yes? is there a reason you think the LCD controller in the OMAP3 will be the same as the 5800?
Jan 04 13:58:27 <johnx> and what chipset *is* the 5800 using?
Jan 04 13:59:09 <RST38h> good question with no answer
Jan 04 13:59:16 <RST38h> Nokia says "uses ARM11 CPU"
Jan 04 14:00:44 <johnx> the LCD controller is probably on-chip I would assume.
Jan 04 14:01:04 <alterego> I'm goign to be reinstalling my laptop today O_O
Jan 04 14:01:14 <alterego> It'll probably take quite some time ^_^
Jan 04 14:01:24 <johnx> always does
Jan 04 14:09:38 <johnx> ~hail qwerty12 :)
Jan 04 14:09:39 * infobot bows down to qwerty12 :) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Jan 04 14:09:57 <johnx> woo! a nice clean version of zenity to use
Jan 04 14:27:29 <ShadowJK> heh time to playback 1000 frames: xv yv12 (Xomap doing conversion): ~70secs, xv yuy2 (MPlayer doing conversion): ~52secs, mplayer vo omapfb: ~43secs
Jan 04 14:27:33 <ShadowJK> shocking :)
Jan 04 14:27:41 <qwerty12_N800_> johnx, :)
Jan 04 14:28:11 <Stskeeps> next step on the road, a friggen toolchain
Jan 04 14:36:03 * ShadowJK starts to see why mplayer omapfb output isn't in mplayer mainline
Jan 04 14:40:55 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: how do i stop redirection of autoconf?
Jan 04 14:42:00 <Stskeeps> nm. got a solution now.
Jan 04 14:42:28 <Stskeeps> or not.
Jan 04 14:43:09 <MaceN800> i always thought not another teen movie was joking when they had the one black guy that was meant to say three things
Jan 04 14:43:32 <MaceN800> until i watched armegeddon and the big black dude said something cliche like 'harry.. you da man'
Jan 04 14:43:38 <Stskeeps> token black
Jan 04 14:43:50 <MaceN800> yeah
Jan 04 14:44:03 <MaceN800> it's like when they have a movie about the military
Jan 04 14:44:10 <MaceN800> someone always has to salute at the end
Jan 04 14:44:33 <MaceN800> like a few good men
Jan 04 14:44:57 <MaceN800> where the Marine salutes indoors. Marines don't salute indoors unless they have a weapon
Jan 04 14:45:09 <MaceN800> but it made for good tv i suppose
Jan 04 14:45:16 <qwerty12_N800> stskeeps, I thought you could provide a full path to the one you want in your autogen script or similar? but something like (not tested), export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/autoconf ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH
Jan 04 14:45:30 <Stskeeps> mm
Jan 04 14:46:21 <Stskeeps> kludge on kludge..
Jan 04 14:47:38 <johnx> sunday, sunday, sunday! hot kludge on kludge action at the megadome!
Jan 04 14:50:18 <ssvb> ShadowJK: your results are very strange, normally you should not get better performance with yuy2
Jan 04 14:51:13 <ShadowJK> ssvb, wouldn't this be because the hardware doesn't support YV12?
Jan 04 14:52:07 <ssvb> ShadowJK: but video decoders do not normally support YUY2, so a conversion is needed anyway
Jan 04 14:52:16 <ShadowJK> yes
Jan 04 14:52:59 <ShadowJK> I benchmark the 3 different implementations of this software conversion
Jan 04 14:53:35 <ShadowJK> The video codec was still outputting YV12
Jan 04 14:53:42 <ssvb> ShadowJK: and your results are strange, because YUY2 conversion should be slower
Jan 04 14:53:56 <ShadowJK> Why?
Jan 04 14:54:50 <ssvb> ShadowJK: because it has to crunch more data to provide 16-bit output instead of 12-bit
Jan 04 14:55:37 <ShadowJK> Judging by xf86-video-omapfb, the hardware is not able to accept 12-bit YV12?
Jan 04 14:56:06 <ssvb> ShadowJK: it is able to accept 12-bit weird packed YUY420 format
Jan 04 14:57:05 <johnx> woo! xset dpms force off appears to *do the right thing*
Jan 04 14:57:05 <ShadowJK> hm
Jan 04 14:57:05 <johnx> it's almost like a normal linux machine!
Jan 04 14:58:44 <Stskeeps> johnx: turning off display and backlight?
Jan 04 14:59:06 <johnx> turning off backlight at least, how do I test to see if the display is really off
Jan 04 14:59:15 * johnx grabs a flashlight
Jan 04 14:59:30 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 04 15:00:00 <johnx> I think it's really off
Jan 04 15:00:03 <Stskeeps> neat
Jan 04 15:01:02 <Meizirkki> johnx: pandora?
Jan 04 15:01:10 <johnx> n800
Jan 04 15:01:16 <Meizirkki> ah
Jan 04 15:01:17 <Meizirkki> :P
Jan 04 15:01:27 <Stskeeps> johnx: funny detail about sleep_while_idle and n810 in that thread btw
Jan 04 15:01:27 <johnx> no pandora in hand yet *sighs*
Jan 04 15:01:36 <johnx> about the GPS uart?
Jan 04 15:01:39 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 04 15:01:50 <johnx> wonder what's happening in maemo
Jan 04 15:02:03 <johnx> I mean OS2008/maemo
Jan 04 15:02:05 <Stskeeps> i guess it can't go properly to sleep when gps is on, maybe
Jan 04 15:02:07 <ShadowJK> ssvb, so is Xomap converting YV12 to this weird packed format?
Jan 04 15:03:34 <ssvb> ShadowJK: yes, and the same does mplayer in omapfb
Jan 04 15:03:42 <ssvb> ShadowJK: anyway, just did a benchmark myself and the results are: yv12 xv (78 seconds), yuv12 xv direct rendering (72 seconds), yuy2 xv (85 seconds), omapfb (61 seconds)
Jan 04 15:04:42 <ssvb> ShadowJK: I suspect there is a problem in mplayer direct rendering implementation, theoretically it should be almost as fast as omapfb
Jan 04 15:05:53 <ssvb> ShadowJK: enabling direct rendering: '-dr -nomenu', enabling yuy2: '-vf yuy2'. Did you try something different?
Jan 04 15:06:05 <ShadowJK> -vf format=yuy2
Jan 04 15:08:03 <ShadowJK> Atleast in the case of Xv vs vidix, xmga and similar things on x86, there's an extra memcpy() done by X in the Xv path
Jan 04 15:08:59 <ssvb> ShadowJK: 'direct rendering' tries to get rid of this extra memcpy
Jan 04 15:09:40 <ssvb> ShadowJK: anyway, YUY2 is still the slowest for me, you must have done something different in your test
Jan 04 15:09:57 <ShadowJK> hm
Jan 04 15:10:07 <ShadowJK> -ao null -noframedrop
Jan 04 15:10:31 <ShadowJK> and -benchmark to play as fast as it can
Jan 04 15:10:34 <ssvb> ShadowJK: I used -nosound -benchmark -quiet
Jan 04 15:10:56 <ShadowJK> try add -noframedrop ?
Jan 04 15:12:26 <ssvb> ShadowJK: what version of firmware/Xomap are you using?
Jan 04 15:13:09 <ShadowJK> uh, whatever you get with diablo & ssu..
Jan 04 15:13:18 <ssvb> ok
Jan 04 15:14:25 <ssvb> ShadowJK: I just thought that you might have been using old Xomap version, or rebuilt it yourself using configuration without armv6 optimizations enabled, nevermind
Jan 04 15:16:56 * alterego begins backup process :S
Jan 04 15:25:20 * alterego yawns
Jan 04 15:25:28 <alterego> This is going to take _ages_ ..
Jan 04 15:25:41 <johnx> yawning? backups are exciting!
Jan 04 15:28:32 <alterego> The should implement transparent compression over DMA ..
Jan 04 15:31:50 <ssvb> ShadowJK: by the way, have you run your tests with frequency scaling disabled (and CPU forced at 400MHz)?
Jan 04 15:34:03 <ShadowJK> let me do that
Jan 04 15:34:14 <ShadowJK> rerunning without audio decoding right now
Jan 04 15:34:37 <ShadowJK> forcing = set governor to performance?
Jan 04 15:35:01 <ssvb> ShadowJK: also make sure that there is nothing like metalayer-crawler running :)
Jan 04 15:35:39 <johnx> Stskeeps, the new builder '=' only applies if I'm not building the highest version number available, right?
Jan 04 15:35:49 <ShadowJK> running everything 5 times
Jan 04 15:35:50 <ssvb> ShadowJK: echo null > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 0 > /sys/power/op_active
Jan 04 15:36:05 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah. anything that needs gcc and such that needs building atm? i'm fucking about a bit with builder so
Jan 04 15:36:07 <ShadowJK> what does op_active do?
Jan 04 15:36:54 <ssvb> ShadowJK: the device supports OP modes 0, 1, 2 and 3. OP0 is 400MHz
Jan 04 15:37:00 <Stskeeps> johnx: (kinda broken libtool right now.)
Jan 04 15:37:15 <johnx> Stskeeps, I'll just do it later. no worries
Jan 04 15:39:20 <ssvb> ShadowJK: also it is better to benchmark with '-nosound', with just '-ao null' audio is still decoded and using CPU
Jan 04 15:39:22 <ShadowJK> yeah
Jan 04 15:59:35 <RST38h> Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015
Jan 04 16:00:03 <RST38h> Hehe
Jan 04 16:01:18 <johnx> I don't really see military rockets "tainting" NASA. seems to make sense to me
Jan 04 16:01:52 <RST38h> johnx: it will have to go both ways, if you know what I mean =)
Jan 04 16:02:19 <johnx> they'll use old shuttles full of TNT as missiles?
Jan 04 16:04:09 <RST38h> johnx: they will probably do more surveillance and military payload deliveries
Jan 04 16:04:33 <RST38h> johnx: As to old shuttles, I don't think you really need TNT there =)
Jan 04 16:04:57 <johnx> just drop them out of the sky on "people we don't like"
Jan 04 16:07:26 <RST38bis> Back
Jan 04 16:38:12 <Stskeeps> mm steak
Jan 04 16:39:33 <johnx> mmm...chikn!
Jan 04 16:40:50 <Stskeeps> gonna make that one of these days too
Jan 04 16:41:09 <Stskeeps> fiancee went back to berlin so
Jan 04 16:41:18 <johnx> less cooking now?
Jan 04 16:41:22 <johnx> or more cooking?
Jan 04 16:41:45 <Stskeeps> more i guess
Jan 04 16:42:00 <ShadowJK> ssvb, it's still not showing "correct" results
Jan 04 16:42:40 <ShadowJK> ~23, ~38, ~55
Jan 04 16:42:52 <ShadowJK> omapfb, yuy2, yv12
Jan 04 16:43:58 <johnx> maybe you guys should settle on a common video clip to test...
Jan 04 16:44:22 <ShadowJK> :)
Jan 04 16:44:29 <ShadowJK> that might help
Jan 04 16:44:32 <RST38h> Or just blit stuff in a tight loop
Jan 04 16:44:55 <RST38h> Personally, mmap()ped fb0 works the best for me.
Jan 04 16:45:12 <RST38h> + hw scaling when in full screen mode.
Jan 04 16:54:43 <Stskeeps> johnx: was it zenity you wanted to build, btw?
Jan 04 16:55:19 <johnx> nah, the hildon session stuff
Jan 04 16:57:27 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 04 16:57:55 <johnx> I can do zenity stuff locally until I actually have something that uses it successfully
Jan 04 17:01:10 * Stskeeps tries to see if the new libtool improves anything or it just breaks horridly.
Jan 04 17:06:05 * w00t_ votes for horrible breakage
Jan 04 17:06:21 <Stskeeps> scaringily enough it didn't
Jan 04 17:06:29 <w00t_> I don't believe you
Jan 04 17:06:33 <w00t_> pix or it didn't happen.
Jan 04 17:06:59 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 04 17:07:23 * lcuk is in the doghouse
Jan 04 17:07:54 <Stskeeps> you broke her new motherboard?
Jan 04 17:08:09 <Stskeeps> and the doghouse is acceptable if the wifi isnt off and you can reach it with your tablet.
Jan 04 17:08:12 <Stskeeps> P
Jan 04 17:08:27 <lcuk> lol
Jan 04 17:08:37 <lcuk> no, i ummm was up a tad late coding last night
Jan 04 17:09:09 <GAN800> 'tad'
Jan 04 17:09:18 <johnx> ahaha
Jan 04 17:09:53 <Stskeeps> lcuk: you're moving to johnx's timezone now? :P
Jan 04 17:10:35 <lcuk> umm yeah sortof
Jan 04 17:10:39 <johnx> heh, I'm moving east in terms of timezones though
Jan 04 17:10:54 <johnx> farther into the future I guess
Jan 04 17:11:34 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i got a little caught up with a couple of things
Jan 04 17:11:43 <w00t_> lcuk: unlucky you, I don't get in trouble for that :>
Jan 04 17:12:05 <w00t_> (I've been up until 7am my time for the holiday season.. ugh.. work tomorrow is going to bring a sudden dose of reality back to things :<)
Jan 04 17:12:11 <Stskeeps> w00t_: your gf studies comp.sci, doesn't count
Jan 04 17:12:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 04 17:12:51 <w00t_> Stskeeps: true :P
Jan 04 17:13:46 <b-man> Stskeeps, Johnx, what do you think of my new guide?; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975
Jan 04 17:15:31 <Stskeeps> b-man: clinkc,mce-dummy,770 packages,xresponse-visualize isnt needed under ubuntu/n8x0
Jan 04 17:15:39 <Stskeeps> and ke-recv-l10n-public :P
Jan 04 17:16:09 <johnx> b-man, also: when is gdm starting. if it starts before hal then that's your keyboard problem right there
Jan 04 17:16:30 <b-man> how can i fix that?
Jan 04 17:16:45 <Stskeeps> b-man: and you forgot the warning ;)
Jan 04 17:16:53 <johnx> you need to look in /etc/rc2.d and check which is starting first
Jan 04 17:17:20 <b-man> Stskeeps; i'll add a warning too ;)
Jan 04 17:17:29 <Stskeeps> (which is "this is a desktop distribution. it will take as much battery as it would on a laptop." :P)
Jan 04 17:18:35 <Stslaptop> and the usual warning with bootmenu.d items and clone-to-SD scripts.
Jan 04 17:20:19 * johnx assembles his new nokia charger
Jan 04 17:21:01 <Stslaptop> hehe. the bastard child of a nokia plug and a NTT charger? :P
Jan 04 17:21:29 <johnx> yeah :/
Jan 04 17:21:41 <johnx> the converter is made by a company called "rasta banana"
Jan 04 17:21:47 <johnx> I wish I was making this up
Jan 04 17:21:48 <qwerty12> hah
Jan 04 17:21:50 <b-man> johnx; S24hal    - in rc2.d
Jan 04 17:22:29 <b-man> S30gdm
Jan 04 17:23:19 <b-man> does this look right? :p
Jan 04 17:23:34 <johnx> huh...interesting. Stskeeps, you're not using any hal modifications for the keyboard support in Mer, right?
Jan 04 17:23:56 <johnx> b-man, you could try changing gdm to start later. just increase the number. maybe 60 or so?
Jan 04 17:23:56 <Stskeeps> johnx: correct, but i'm not confident our keyboard support is correct
Jan 04 17:24:49 <johnx> yeah, looks like our keymap is quite interesting...but better than nothing
Jan 04 17:25:03 <b-man> johnx; that won't cause problems with LSB.. right?
Jan 04 17:25:04 <Stskeeps> b-man: i'm not confident insserv won't screw things up immensely
Jan 04 17:25:48 <Stskeeps> but that's just a hunch
Jan 04 17:25:59 <johnx> woo! franken-charger seems to work just fine
Jan 04 17:26:09 <Stskeeps> woo
Jan 04 17:26:10 <b-man> lol
Jan 04 17:26:49 <johnx> thank you mighty rasta banada!
Jan 04 17:26:56 <qwerty12> lol
Jan 04 17:27:06 <johnx> did I mention their logo is a bunch of bananas the colors of the Jamaican flag?
Jan 04 17:27:29 <qwerty12> Do they ship a free zut with their chargers too? :)
Jan 04 17:27:46 * Stskeeps uploads new toolchain
Jan 04 17:28:05 * b-man goes and changes S30gdm to S60gdm and hopes he did not kill his ubuntu install :p
Jan 04 17:28:30 <johnx> eh, you can change it back
Jan 04 17:28:36 <Stskeeps> b-man: btw, just to be an ass so you don't get stupid people after you at some point, - you can't call it ubuntu :P
Jan 04 17:28:47 <Stskeeps> (.. probably)
Jan 04 17:29:00 <b-man> tabuntu! :D
Jan 04 17:29:06 <Stskeeps> deargod
Jan 04 17:29:07 <johnx> well, actually, he's providing instructions to install ubuntu
Jan 04 17:29:10 <Stskeeps> true
Jan 04 17:29:20 <Stskeeps> my bad then :)
Jan 04 17:29:36 <johnx> plus, it would be fun to see those people get worked up again
Jan 04 17:29:45 <b-man> lol
Jan 04 17:30:48 <johnx> qwerty12, I feel so out of touch. I actually had to look up that word O_o;
Jan 04 17:31:00 <alterego> tabluntu tremendous tablet.
Jan 04 17:31:13 <qwerty12> johnx, don't worry about it :P :D
Jan 04 17:31:30 <alterego> Mobile mole
Jan 04 17:31:55 <Stskeeps> tortoise.. by the speed
Jan 04 17:31:56 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 04 17:32:11 <johnx> qwerty12, and the answer is not unless I'm supposed to roll one with the crappy cardboard it came packaged in and use it to smoke the plastic...
Jan 04 17:32:30 <alterego> What's the command to get the load cycle count of a hard drive?
Jan 04 17:32:38 <qwerty12> johnx, lol... yeah, plastic is no fun :P
Jan 04 17:32:50 <johnx> alterego, "tremendous tablet" reminds me of those giant 2m tall display model phones
Jan 04 17:32:53 <johnx> alterego, hdparm
Jan 04 17:32:57 <johnx> dunno the param you need
Jan 04 17:33:14 <alterego> hdparm cool. I thought it was something to do with smart utils
Jan 04 17:33:14 <johnx> errr.scratch that: smartctl
Jan 04 17:33:19 <johnx> :)
Jan 04 17:33:29 <alterego> Ah okay :)
Jan 04 17:33:49 <Stslaptop> qwerty12: updated SDK instructions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide
Jan 04 17:33:55 <johnx> had a brain lapse. I've done surprisingly little meddling in the affairs of my desktop linux box
Jan 04 17:33:57 <Stslaptop> libtool seems to be sane now
Jan 04 17:34:18 <Stslaptop> (differences are toolchain and devkit)
Jan 04 17:34:24 <Stslaptop> and perl
Jan 04 17:34:25 <qwerty12> Stslaptop, brilliant. Just let me finish cannibalising the excellent acmonitor.
Jan 04 17:34:29 <johnx> Stslaptop, that's like saying "nothing could possibly go wrong."
Jan 04 17:34:42 <alterego> 59300 .. Is that a lot for an 8 month old laptop?
Jan 04 17:34:44 <b-man> alterego; i know, it only took me a couple seconds to come up with tabuntu :p
Jan 04 17:34:55 <Stslaptop> alterego: what currency? :P
Jan 04 17:35:09 <Stslaptop> oh.
Jan 04 17:35:10 <alterego> Heh, it's my load cycle count :P
Jan 04 17:35:12 <Stslaptop> load counts :>
Jan 04 17:35:44 <johnx> "load cycle" ?= number of spinups
Jan 04 17:36:00 <alterego> Yes
Jan 04 17:36:17 <alterego> It's the number of times the hard drive has parked and unparked.
Jan 04 17:36:47 <Stslaptop> mm. i remember when having to tell my hd to park itself for transportation
Jan 04 17:36:48 <johnx> 2278 on a very old desktop drive
Jan 04 17:37:03 <alterego> Heh, there's one guy on this forum that's getting one a minute.
Jan 04 17:38:26 <johnx> ha! it's 0 on my other drive :)
Jan 04 17:38:41 <alterego> It's usually an issue with laptops ;)
Jan 04 17:39:02 <johnx> yeah, mobile devices with moving parts have never worked out well for me
Jan 04 17:39:09 <johnx> like cars :$
Jan 04 17:39:09 <qwerty12> Have we found a competitor for uptime records? :P
Jan 04 17:39:31 <johnx> qwerty12, only respectible uptime to be had is on my router
Jan 04 17:40:15 <qwerty12> johnx, hah, my one reboots like crazy... although for my old one, I did compile tugs uptime client - dunno if it works though :P
Jan 04 17:40:48 <johnx> <plug>my router was rebooting pretty often, then I got Tomato firmware. Thanks Tomato!</plug>
Jan 04 17:41:22 <alterego> Well, it looks like my hard drive, which has been up 178623 hours has an average of 3 load cycles an hour.
Jan 04 17:41:26 <qwerty12> I may as well get a router supported by tomato or maybe the wrt's then. This router goes when I finish with o2 anyway
Jan 04 17:41:39 <churl1> hi everyone!
Jan 04 17:42:00 <alterego> Interesting, according to that my hard drive has been on for 7442 days. Even thought it's only 8 months old O_O
Jan 04 17:42:20 <Stskeeps> refurbished? :P
Jan 04 17:42:24 <johnx> hi churl1
Jan 04 17:42:25 <alterego> Something tells me that "Power_On_Hours" is actually minutes.
Jan 04 17:42:34 <Stskeeps> never trust a hd
Jan 04 17:42:34 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 04 17:42:52 <alterego> Because when I use it as minutes it has had a 4 month uptime, which is about right for a 8 month old laptop :)
Jan 04 17:42:54 <johnx> alterego, it *might* be lying to you. does it also claim the temperature is 480C?
Jan 04 17:43:07 <alterego> Temperature is 38C
Jan 04 17:44:05 <alterego> Oh, and "Power_On_Hours" is incrementing every minute ;)
Jan 04 17:44:06 <Stslaptop> johnx: builder clear
Jan 04 17:45:05 <churl1> i have an issue with putting my n800 to standby (power button then middle direction button).  it just seems not to respond to the second button anymore.  another funny thing it was doing was bringing up an applet's preferences with a push of the power button.  where should i start with this issue?
Jan 04 17:45:16 <alterego> Interesting, I just completed a charge test on my N810. If I charge it with the standard mains charger it lasts quite a bit less than a slow charge with the USB charger I made that never completes the charge cycle O_O
Jan 04 17:45:27 <alterego> I'm going to do the test again to be sure :)
Jan 04 17:45:36 <churl1> yo johnx
Jan 04 17:45:57 <johnx> churl1, which applet and which version of the OS?
Jan 04 17:46:11 <alterego> I wasn't expecting Li-Ion batteries to have that dramatic difference with charger ratings.
Jan 04 17:46:28 <alterego> I'll do an averaging test with my phone over a month too.
Jan 04 17:47:50 <churl1> johnx: os 2008 and on further inspection it (was) acting as if i had clicked on "home" when i pressed power.  that part of the issue stopped after i ran the battery out and did a full charge
Jan 04 17:48:05 <churl1> diablo
Jan 04 17:48:38 <churl1> so i guess i cant get the screen to lock anymore is my real issue
Jan 04 17:49:13 <johnx> did you install anything that might be related to this?
Jan 04 17:50:15 <churl1> nah, not that i can think of, i just picked it up one day (after the batt ran out or just after a week of non-use) and this issue started up
Jan 04 17:51:45 <churl1> johnx: but like i said, this issue seems to change as the battery life is fully drained and then charged back up
Jan 04 17:52:30 <churl1> oh, and it did work right after a full charge, just the next time i tried to go to standby, it wouldnt work
Jan 04 17:52:52 <churl1> so, im at a loss! haha
Jan 04 17:53:21 <lcuk> alterego, people have been having spurious battery duration results for ages now
Jan 04 17:54:06 <johnx> so if you hit the power button, then hit "ok" to "lock screen and keyboard", what happens?
Jan 04 17:54:28 <churl1> johnx: it doesnt seem to register the "ok"
Jan 04 17:54:47 <johnx> so the dialog goes away?
Jan 04 17:54:55 <churl1> the button works, it makes a click noise,
Jan 04 17:55:01 <churl1> no
Jan 04 17:55:17 <johnx> does the button light up as if you clicked it?
Jan 04 17:55:45 <churl1> no, but im not sure if it ever does??
Jan 04 17:56:08 <lcuk> churl, does it light up when you press it at other times
Jan 04 17:56:23 <churl1> like a blue LED light around the "ok"?  no
Jan 04 17:56:27 <churl1> it doesnt
Jan 04 17:56:44 <johnx> churl1, I mean the "ok" button. does it give the "you clicked me" look?
Jan 04 17:57:03 <churl1> no
Jan 04 17:57:13 <johnx> so you hear the screen tap, but the button doesn't "look clicked"?
Jan 04 17:57:40 <b-man> added a disclaimer to the Ubuntu guide ;)
Jan 04 17:57:58 <johnx> churl1, you're sure you never installed powerlaunch?
Jan 04 17:58:46 <churl1> doesnt sound familiar
Jan 04 17:59:12 <churl1> correct
Jan 04 18:00:00 <johnx> ok, what is the last piece of software you installed, even if it doesn't seem related?
Jan 04 18:00:47 <lcuk> johnx, can you feel your ears burning :P
Jan 04 18:00:53 <churl1> maybe dukenukem
Jan 04 18:02:07 <churl1> i do have powerlaunch installed
Jan 04 18:02:07 <johnx> next question: are you out of space on the internal memory?
Jan 04 18:02:08 <johnx> bingo
Jan 04 18:02:22 <churl1> so kill powerlaunch?
Jan 04 18:02:39 <johnx> well, are you using it for something? would you rather fix it or remove it?
Jan 04 18:03:33 <churl1> johnx: not as far as i know :( i just want this to work again :)
Jan 04 18:03:43 <Stslaptop> do you have easy debian installed per chance?
Jan 04 18:04:00 <churl1> not yet ;)
Jan 04 18:04:14 <johnx> churl1, I would try removing powerlaunch and rebooting to see if everything works again
Jan 04 18:04:16 <Stskeeps> ah, cos that drags in powerlaunch, i think :P
Jan 04 18:05:49 <qwerty12> qole removed the dependency with later versions
Jan 04 18:05:55 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 04 18:08:48 <churl1> johnx: ok, when i go to "lock touch screen and keys" should the screen go black? or just dim?
Jan 04 18:09:02 <johnx> yes, depending on your settings
Jan 04 18:09:27 <johnx> if dim and blank are set to the same time then it will blank, otherwise it will dim, then blank after a bit
Jan 04 18:10:00 <churl1> :) just saw it do all that
Jan 04 18:10:10 <churl1> where are those settings?
Jan 04 18:11:01 <johnx> in control panel -> display I think
Jan 04 18:11:18 <churl1> thanks a bunch johnx!
Jan 04 18:12:15 <GAN8001>  /etc/mce/mce.ini
Jan 04 18:16:15 <Stskeeps> johnx: btw we might have a bigass recompile coming up at some point..
Jan 04 18:16:26 <johnx> fun fun
Jan 04 18:16:29 <Stskeeps> we should have taken gconf2 along long ago
Jan 04 18:17:15 <johnx> ah, gronk
Jan 04 18:19:54 <Stslaptop> wtf @ danish news. man drives in SUV with a _bull_ on an attached wagon, other driver notices man is driving kinda like he's drunk, other driver alarms police, other driver gets him to pull over, driver and man gets in a fight, man suddenly walks out in the middle of the highway and gets hit by a car
Jan 04 18:20:24 <w00t_> o.O
Jan 04 18:20:31 <johnx> it's news because that sort of thing doesn't happen all the time... right?
Jan 04 18:21:07 <Stslaptop> still, driving drunk in a SUV with a bull on an attached wagon, is kinda something.
Jan 04 18:30:44 <kpel> hi all
Jan 04 18:31:30 <qwerty12_N800> hi
Jan 04 18:31:31 <Mousey_> lo
Jan 04 18:31:31 <Mousey_> um
Jan 04 18:50:05 <Stslaptop> johnx: heads up, repository might break quite badly right now
Jan 04 18:50:17 <Stslaptop> as gconf2-6 compiled
Jan 04 18:51:07 <Stslaptop> (on the other hand, we are more api compatible with maemo now.)
Jan 04 18:55:15 <johnx> fun fun :)
Jan 04 19:03:22 <ssvb> ShadowJK: sorry, I was akf. Your benchmarks confirm that yuy2 is slow :) And also show that there is something wrong with yv12 in your configuration too
Jan 04 19:03:53 <ssvb> ShadowJK: what kind of video are you using for test? is there something special about its resolution?
Jan 04 19:04:26 <ShadowJK> 432x288
Jan 04 19:08:14 <ssvb> ShadowJK: then it's completely strange, there could be some problems with resolution (being not multiple of something), but multiple of 16 should be always fine
Jan 04 19:08:47 <ShadowJK> ya
Jan 04 19:08:48 <ssvb> ShadowJK: do you test it in fullscreen? are you sure that no downscaling is involved?
Jan 04 19:09:06 <ShadowJK> it's fullscreen and widescreen
Jan 04 19:09:55 <ssvb> ShadowJK: please also try some other video
Jan 04 19:10:10 <ShadowJK> Yeah, on it now :-)
Jan 04 19:10:18 <lcuk> hiya ssvb :)
Jan 04 19:11:02 <zakkm> when i try to run flasher ( Gentoo amd64 ) using the amd64 flasher i get the error ./flasher-3.0.amd64: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
Jan 04 19:11:20 <ssvb> ShadowJK: another problem could be with the top left corner alignment
Jan 04 19:11:47 <lcuk> zakkm, check you downloaded the proper flasher and not the html eual page as happens often
Jan 04 19:11:53 <lcuk> eula
Jan 04 19:12:49 <alterego> I've got so much junk I need to organise it's unreal.
Jan 04 19:12:59 <alterego> Oh well. It can wait another day.
Jan 04 19:13:00 <Stslaptop> johnx: think i'll go to hell for substituting all libgconf2-4 (< 2.15)?
Jan 04 19:13:01 <zakkm> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php
Jan 04 19:13:03 <ssvb> ShadowJK: this weird YUV420 format consists of 4x2 pixel macroblocks, if anything is not aligned, it could fail some checks and fallback to a slow YUY2 code in Xomap
Jan 04 19:13:04 <zakkm> same place i always get it from
Jan 04 19:13:19 <Stslaptop> zakkm: cat it.. is it a html page? ;)
Jan 04 19:13:31 <ssvb> lcuk: hi
Jan 04 19:13:42 <zakkm> oh weird
Jan 04 19:13:50 <zakkm> why? how? isnt it the right page
Jan 04 19:14:02 <johnx> yes. don't right click and save to disk
Jan 04 19:14:28 <zakkm> whats the right download page then?
Jan 04 19:14:39 <johnx> Stslaptop, ehe, we're probably both going for some of the Mer stuff. see you there?
Jan 04 19:14:51 <Stslaptop> hehe
Jan 04 19:15:04 <lcuk> zakkm, if you havent actually entered your wifi ID onto the first page it always comes up and asks for it no matter what you try to download
Jan 04 19:15:27 <lcuk> you have the right page, but your browser doesnt have a cookie or whatever it needs to say "yes this user has entered id
Jan 04 19:15:33 <zakkm> ohh
Jan 04 19:15:42 <zakkm> different browser?
Jan 04 19:16:19 <johnx> also: left click to download
Jan 04 19:17:38 <lcuk> zakkm, go here first with same browser
Jan 04 19:17:39 <lcuk> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php
Jan 04 19:17:45 <lcuk> it asks for your WLAN id
Jan 04 19:18:04 <zakkm> lcuk: sweet thanks :)
Jan 04 19:18:25 <lcuk> i believe all the files are then listed with proper download links
Jan 04 19:18:30 <zakkm> well it succeeded just using firefox and going to old page, it had a disclamier that way
Jan 04 19:18:38 <zakkm> now to get the new nitdroid kernel :)
Jan 04 19:26:25 <Jaffa> Anyone know how to put multi-key shortcuts in X Terminal (e.g. ^A p)
Jan 04 19:26:57 <johnx> sure, it's <ctrl>a I think
Jan 04 19:27:28 <Jaffa> ...and the following char?
Jan 04 19:27:44 <Jaffa> I think I got the ctrl working
Jan 04 19:28:08 <johnx> a multi-key as in:
Jan 04 19:28:10 <johnx> ctrl-a
Jan 04 19:28:10 <johnx> p
Jan 04 19:28:14 <Jaffa> yeah
Jan 04 19:28:21 <Jaffa> A ha
Jan 04 19:28:21 <johnx> yeah, no clue
Jan 04 19:28:29 <Jaffa> '<ctrl>a p'
Jan 04 19:28:34 <johnx> well nice :)
Jan 04 19:30:22 <Jaffa> Wish I could get rid of the hardcoded ctrl entry
Jan 04 19:31:49 <qwerty12_N800> apt-get source osso-xterm :)
Jan 04 19:34:00 <churl1> hello all again, im having an issue with libhildonfm2
Jan 04 19:34:18 <ShadowJK> ssvb, still seeing same pattern with another file
Jan 04 19:34:43 <ShadowJK> I used this one http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/benchmark/testsuite1/matrixbench_lowerdivx4_vbrmp3.avi
Jan 04 19:35:16 <churl1> im unable to update a few programs that use it.  app man. says that libhildonfm2 (>=1:2.0.6.1) is missing
Jan 04 19:35:20 <GAN8001> churl1, update your OS. :)
Jan 04 19:35:26 <GAN8001> ~ssu
Jan 04 19:35:27 <infobot> hmm... ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU
Jan 04 19:36:08 <churl1> GAN8001: ok, this may sound silly, but how do i do that?
Jan 04 19:36:20 <GAN8001> ~flashing
Jan 04 19:36:21 <infobot> [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jan 04 19:36:24 <churl1> apt-get  update?
Jan 04 19:36:29 <GAN8001> Click a link. . . .
Jan 04 19:36:57 <churl1> GAN8001: i have to flash?
Jan 04 19:37:04 <churl1> ok, ill read it
Jan 04 19:37:06 <churl1> :)
Jan 04 19:37:09 <GAN8001> churl1, depending on which version you're on.
Jan 04 19:37:13 <GAN8001> But the links will tell you.
Jan 04 19:38:31 <alterego> Dinner time.
Jan 04 19:38:35 <alterego> reset
Jan 04 19:38:38 <alterego> Ooops ..
Jan 04 19:38:54 <lcuk> GAN800, is your beagle puppy still poorly in its box
Jan 04 19:38:58 <churl1> im on os2008 4.2008.23-14
Jan 04 19:39:18 <GAN800> ~ssu
Jan 04 19:39:19 <infobot> i guess ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU
Jan 04 19:39:29 <GAN800> lcuk, yeah, it's up north.
Jan 04 19:41:34 * alterego eats and sorts out his school/work bag for tomorrow :)
Jan 04 19:42:31 <TrueJournals> *sigh* Don't remind me of school tomorrow....
Jan 04 19:44:59 * Jaffa 's gonna have a fun day at work and's on the 0653 train in
Jan 04 19:45:22 <Stskeeps> mm, 0725 bus here if i manage to get that early up
Jan 04 19:45:47 <Stskeeps> going into work for the sole purpose of getting out of my apartment
Jan 04 19:58:20 <TrueJournals> Methinks a freenode server reset...?
Jan 04 19:59:14 <qwerty12_N800> Server notice said rehubbing...
Jan 04 20:05:53 <b-man> MicroB just crashed because of this :)
Jan 04 20:19:12 <Stskeeps> motherfuckers. someone broke into my basement
Jan 04 20:19:16 <Stskeeps> nothing stolen though
Jan 04 20:19:36 <lcuk> did they tidy up? if so, it was your mum
Jan 04 20:20:24 <lcuk> thats not good though really, how do you know they got in, and can you prevent it in future
Jan 04 20:20:30 <RST38h> Amtrak Photo Contestant Arrested By Amtrak Police
Jan 04 20:20:47 <RST38h> BTW, since when has it become illegal to take pictures of trains?
Jan 04 20:21:06 <RST38h> Sts: They must have left SOMETHING!
Jan 04 20:21:19 <lcuk> depends if he climbed the fence, shimmied along the powerlines and cut away part of the signalling to get a better photo
Jan 04 20:21:21 <RST38h> Sts: A bomb. Or an alien egg. Or just some feces.
Jan 04 20:21:47 <RST38h> lcuk: Not really, has been standing on the platform
Jan 04 20:22:13 <lcuk> fscking jobsworths
Jan 04 20:23:43 * RST38h had to go to Wiki to translate that =)
Jan 04 20:24:46 <lcuk> dear god, i thought qwerty was joking about my northern
Jan 04 20:24:54 <lcuk> but whats worse is you are further north than me
Jan 04 20:25:22 <RST38h> just further east. or west, depending on which country you count.
Jan 04 20:36:58 <lcuk> petpeeve: source code files which do not state their utility in the header
Jan 04 20:38:22 <Jaffa> petpeeve: developers working for me who do not *show* any utility
Jan 04 20:39:08 <lcuk> heh jaffa, the promotion getting to you already
Jan 04 20:39:35 <lcuk> or are you talking about maemo developers :P
Jan 04 20:40:09 <Jaffa> they were working for me pre-promotion; but now it's getting worse ;-)
Jan 04 20:40:25 <lcuk> might i interest you in a stronger whip?
Jan 04 20:41:02 <Jaffa> useful to persuade the higher ups that they may need more training ;-)
Jan 04 20:41:53 <lcuk> doesnt sound unreasonable
Jan 04 20:42:46 <lcuk> can i talk to the maemo mail client?
Jan 04 20:42:54 <lcuk> and push stuff into its outbox?
Jan 04 20:43:10 <lcuk> and vice versa
Jan 04 20:49:30 <Jaffa> not sure
Jan 04 20:50:01 <TrueJournals> Hmmm... I just wrote a very small python daemon to watch for charger events and run scripts if the charger is connected or disconnected ;-)
Jan 04 20:51:11 * qwerty12_N800 uses acmonitor + a few system() calls for that
Jan 04 20:51:30 * TrueJournals likes my system better :-P
Jan 04 20:51:48 <qwerty12_N800> hehe :P
Jan 04 20:51:50 <TrueJournals> Just drop scripts in /etc/acmon.d/connected.d/ or /etc/acmon.d/disconnected.d/
Jan 04 20:52:09 <qwerty12_N800> ooh, that is a nice system indeed
Jan 04 20:52:29 <TrueJournals> Much easier, no?
Jan 04 20:52:46 <glass> nice
Jan 04 20:52:49 <qwerty12_N800> Can't disagree with that :)
Jan 04 20:53:04 <TrueJournals> I think I'm going to write some connected and disconnected scripts to change the display backlight settings, and then try to package everything up
Jan 04 20:54:00 <TrueJournals> Where did acmonitor store the settings?  I'd like to keep compatibility with its settings...
Jan 04 20:54:12 <lcuk> in the registry
Jan 04 20:54:17 <qwerty12_N800> In gconf
Jan 04 20:54:26 <lcuk> errr sorry, gconf ;)
Jan 04 20:54:29 <qwerty12_N800> /apps/acmonitor
Jan 04 20:54:46 <TrueJournals> Hmm... I think I need to install acmonitor :-P
Jan 04 20:54:51 * qwerty12_N800 beats lcuk up until the windows is out of him :p
Jan 04 20:55:25 <lcuk> little boys in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :P
Jan 04 20:55:51 <qwerty12_N800> :D
Jan 04 20:56:00 <lcuk> hows vista doing on yours?
Jan 04 20:56:29 <RST38h> He hasn't defenestrated it yet?
Jan 04 20:56:55 <qwerty12_N800> Speed is decent, but it's been a week since I booted into it :p
Jan 04 20:57:56 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, there's ossoemailinterface but I don't think it is enough for what you wish to do
Jan 04 20:58:24 <lcuk> theres tinymail, which if the default mail app uses it i should be able to as well
Jan 04 20:58:36 <lcuk> it seems to have the interfaces i need to send mail from
Jan 04 20:59:27 <qwerty12_N800> Making liqsecuritysystem? :p
Jan 04 20:59:36 <lcuk> no, thinking about my postcards :)
Jan 04 20:59:57 <qwerty12_N800> nice :)
Jan 04 21:00:07 <GAN8001> liqos
Jan 04 21:00:08 <lcuk> im tempted to see if a real service could be setup
Jan 04 21:00:19 * GAN8001 still wants his goddamn refund
Jan 04 21:00:25 <lcuk> where you take a photo, write the postcard and address and have real postcard sent
Jan 04 21:01:40 <lcuk> the only problem there would be the postmark, thats half the appeal of postcards :)
Jan 04 21:02:31 <lcuk> but anyway, sending by email will be a good first step :)
Jan 04 21:03:54 <`0660> lcuk, are you planning to reimplement mms messages? :)
Jan 04 21:05:05 <lcuk> not at all gan, i just like natural handwriting.  you can see emotion and passion and human feeling by looking at how a message is written
Jan 04 21:05:57 <lcuk> something lost when converted to lucida console or whatever
Jan 04 21:06:04 <`0660> ok. that's something new :)
Jan 04 21:07:02 <lcuk> `0660, ? not really ive wanted to do it for ages, i keep getting stuck on technical issues
Jan 04 21:07:50 <qwerty12_N800> but then it makes it useless for ransom notes :(
Jan 04 21:08:01 <lcuk> no it doesnt :)
Jan 04 21:08:10 <`0660> :/
Jan 04 21:08:20 <lcuk> i still use random notes all the time and do not see that going anywhere
Jan 04 21:08:32 <lcuk> but simply after a photo is taken you can turn it into a postcard
Jan 04 21:08:41 <`0660> he said ransom :)
Jan 04 21:08:45 <lcuk> or one of another few things
Jan 04 21:08:50 <qwerty12_N800> I meant ransom as in ransom, not random :p
Jan 04 21:08:50 <lcuk> lol
Jan 04 21:09:15 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, you could use my handwriting font and use different letters from different people ;)
Jan 04 21:10:36 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, brilliant plan! I can have the police looking up north when I get caught :p
Jan 04 21:11:42 <lcuk> heh
Jan 04 21:11:44 <qwerty12_N800> rather, when they look for the person
Jan 04 21:11:54 * qwerty12_N800 is having a blonde day :)
Jan 04 21:12:39 <lcuk> so you are feeling same as usual then :P
Jan 04 21:12:54 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, pretty much :p
Jan 04 21:13:20 <lcuk> anyway, now i have the core liqbase stuff pushed away and kinda encapsulated in a library i might get on and do the other stuff i need ontop of it
Jan 04 21:14:09 <lcuk> back in a bit
Jan 04 21:15:53 <Stskeeps> it sucks living in an old dorm where it seems like fuckers can unscrew the bloody handle to get in
Jan 04 21:16:16 <Stskeeps> now it's gently provided with a good old fashioned steel wire lock
Jan 04 21:16:44 <Proteous> electrified door handles FTW
Jan 04 21:16:58 <qwerty12_N800> yep
Jan 04 21:17:20 <Proteous> people might wonder about the puddle of water in front of your door though
Jan 04 21:17:42 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, has that router come back online yet?
Jan 04 21:17:55 <TrueJournals> Alright...  this seems to work... except if you're using the advanced backlight applet...
Jan 04 21:18:02 <Proteous> as more and more people try to get in, the puddle starts to smell like pee
Jan 04 21:18:48 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: no sadly
Jan 04 21:19:00 <`0660> :)
Jan 04 21:19:06 <qwerty12_N800> damn :(
Jan 04 21:19:46 <Stskeeps> they prolly gave up after it didnt work first time
Jan 04 21:19:57 <Stskeeps> (and not noticing there is actually a harddisk inside it :P
Jan 04 21:23:32 <GAN8001> TrueJournals, why not provide a patch for adv-backlight? :)
Jan 04 21:23:47 <GAN8001> Since it's pretty safe to assume a lot of your potential userbase will be.
Jan 04 21:25:04 <TrueJournals> GAN8001: I'd like to make it more expandable than that...  An easy way for devs to do ANYTHING when the charger is connected or disconnected
Jan 04 21:25:57 <TrueJournals> Besides, advanced backlight is in C, and... I don't really know C :-\
Jan 04 21:26:24 * Stslaptop wouldn't mind seeing a generic event framework that is more sane than powerlaunch
Jan 04 21:26:28 <GAN8001> Well, at the very least, get with rm_you to make sure it works.
Jan 04 21:27:18 <TrueJournals> Yeah, I'm trying to hack around with changing the gconf values for now, but somethings just not working right...
Jan 04 21:28:08 <qwerty12_N800> To change the backlight?
Jan 04 21:28:19 <TrueJournals> Yeah...
Jan 04 21:28:20 <Stslaptop> talk to dsme
Jan 04 21:28:20 <Stslaptop> :P
Jan 04 21:28:44 <TrueJournals> Well, it's acting very.. strange...
Jan 04 21:29:01 <TrueJournals> The advanced backlight applet doesn't seem to live-update its gconf value
Jan 04 21:29:33 <qwerty12_N800> It's a bug fixed in the trunk version
Jan 04 21:29:40 <TrueJournals> Ah...
Jan 04 21:29:54 <TrueJournals> Well working with non-trunk will be very difficult then :-P
Jan 04 21:30:12 <qwerty12_N800> it'll actually save the setting if you just open its setting window + press ok
Jan 04 21:30:20 <TrueJournals> Yeah, I noticed that
Jan 04 21:30:33 <TrueJournals> Also, the GUI doesn't seem to change if I update the gconf value
Jan 04 21:30:42 <TrueJournals> Is that also fixed in trunk?
Jan 04 21:30:51 <lcuk> its not really a problem is it?
Jan 04 21:31:01 <lcuk> since the gui isnt normally on screen
Jan 04 21:31:05 <qwerty12_N800> i'm not sure
Jan 04 21:31:13 <lcuk> or do you mean the icon
Jan 04 21:31:17 <TrueJournals> lcuk: It really is... the icon doesn't update to display the different level
Jan 04 21:31:30 <TrueJournals> Plus, if you then open the gui, it still shows the old level, instead of the updated one
Jan 04 21:31:40 <TrueJournals> Which is confusing, to say the least
Jan 04 21:32:00 <lcuk> yes, thats a bug then, i thought you meant live whilst GUI is open, not the indicator icon - i thought that would update naturally anyway
Jan 04 21:32:05 <lcuk> so yeah, that sounds like a bug
Jan 04 21:33:06 <TrueJournals> Anyone in a dev environment want to build the advanced backlight trunk for me? :-P
Jan 04 21:34:13 <qwerty12_N800> I'm running it but i don't think i have the space to install dpkg-dev so I can dpkg-repack :/
Jan 04 21:34:33 <lcuk> "Ancient spirits of evil, transform this decayed form to Jott, the Ever-Living!”
Jan 04 21:34:45 <lcuk> jott, we need you to rise up and build the trunk of abl ;)
Jan 04 21:39:38 <LinuxCode> lcuk, who are you to ask for godly powers to assist you in your quest!
Jan 04 21:39:46 <LinuxCode> Explain or be damned to hell forever!
Jan 04 21:39:50 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 04 21:39:51 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Jan 04 21:40:03 <LinuxCode> ohh and good evening mate
Jan 04 21:42:40 <Stslaptop> evening cyrus__
Jan 04 21:42:46 <cyrus__> What GPS unit does the N810 have and where can I find the driver for it?
Jan 04 21:44:01 <lcuk> LinuxCode, Mumm-ra from thundercats, or by his irc nickname, jott
Jan 04 21:44:10 <LinuxCode> hehe
Jan 04 21:44:19 <LinuxCode> you old hacker you!
Jan 04 21:44:33 <LinuxCode> cyrus__, i believe is proprietary
Jan 04 21:45:01 <Stslaptop> yeah, it is
Jan 04 21:45:03 <RST38h> KILL KILL DESTROY
Jan 04 21:45:13 <Grackle> DECIMATE, MAIM
Jan 04 21:45:13 <Stskeeps> RST38h: love affair with the 68000 over?
Jan 04 21:45:21 <LinuxCode> RST38h, thats what should happen to all non-FOSS drivers yeah
Jan 04 21:45:37 <RST38h> cyris: N810 has got a 5300 AGPS chip from Texas Instruments. It has got two I2C serial connections to the host system.
Jan 04 21:45:44 <RST38h> cyrus: Feeling better now?
Jan 04 21:45:52 <RST38h> Grackle: But RAPE FIRST.
Jan 04 21:46:00 <Stskeeps> did anyone actually try reverse engineering it? :P
Jan 04 21:46:26 <RST38h> Sts: Why? I think it uses pretty obvious protocols to talk to the host
Jan 04 21:46:33 <qwerty12_N800> is it even worth the time? :p
Jan 04 21:46:35 <Stskeeps> typical GPS protocol? :P
Jan 04 21:46:39 <RST38h> Sts: Won't be of much help though
Jan 04 21:48:34 <Stskeeps> yeah, it'd still suck? :P
Jan 04 21:48:48 <RST38h> 'm afraid so
Jan 04 21:49:55 <ssvb> ShadowJK: I can finally confirm the Xv performance problem with the latest updates of both diablo and mplayer
Jan 04 21:50:21 <Stskeeps> didn't they add some new stuff in Xomap though, in latest SSU?
Jan 04 21:50:42 <ShadowJK> supposedly optimizations ;-)
Jan 04 21:50:45 <ssvb> ShadowJK: but built-in player runs fine and uses accelerated color conversion function
Jan 04 21:51:20 <ShadowJK> Oddly enough I find mplayer runs better
Jan 04 21:51:24 <ShadowJK> with -vo omapfb
Jan 04 21:51:49 <ShadowJK> built-in player needs a strange amount of time to switch back and forth between fullscreen
Jan 04 21:53:16 <ssvb> ShadowJK: that's a problem of mplayer, using Xv suboptimally :) Or more like now https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1281 workaround stopped working in mplayer
Jan 04 21:54:23 <ssvb> ShadowJK: probably Xomap now has a bit more strict alignment/size checks which fail for mplayer, I'm going to see what can be done
Jan 04 21:54:44 <ShadowJK> ssvb, that bug report seems to imply that you cant't get full performance unless you fullscreen ignoring aspect?
Jan 04 21:54:57 <ShadowJK> or encode with black borders to get an image that covers the entire screen?
Jan 04 21:54:59 <ssvb> ShadowJK: the idea is that Xv with direct rendering should have comparable performance to omapfb output
Jan 04 21:55:17 <ssvb> ShadowJK: no, just read a bit more carefully :)
Jan 04 21:55:57 <ssvb> ShadowJK: as I said, that weird color format has 4x2 pixels granularity, and yuy2 has only 2x1 granularity
Jan 04 21:56:51 <ShadowJK> I don't think you get direct to hw even with -dr
Jan 04 21:56:57 <ssvb> ShadowJK: that means if you try to scale or position video overlay on screen, you mush make sure that te top left corner is properly aligned and the size is also multiple of something
Jan 04 21:57:07 <TrueJournals> Hmm... well... I'm doing something wrong, but I've stared at my code too long to figure out what
Jan 04 21:57:11 <ssvb> ShadowJK: -dr does not provide direct access to hw
Jan 04 21:57:26 <TrueJournals> If anyone wants to look at/play around with it -- http://truejournals.com/pyacmonitor.tgz
Jan 04 21:57:36 <ssvb> ShadowJK: it just gets rid of extra memcpy operation
Jan 04 21:57:54 <ShadowJK> isn't that just a codec -> vo memcpy?
Jan 04 21:58:03 <ShadowJK> not that I remember very well
Jan 04 21:58:26 <ssvb> ShadowJK: there is no point accessing framebuffer directly for video just because hw does not support planar yv12 format
Jan 04 21:58:26 <TrueJournals> I have a feeling my asynchronous execution in python isn't working as it should, but I'm not sure how to fix it :-\
Jan 04 21:58:38 <ShadowJK> must ask dalias in #mplayerdev when he appears about it :-)
Jan 04 21:59:07 <ssvb> ShadowJK: about what?
Jan 04 21:59:20 <ssvb> ShadowJK: does he know anything about maemo port?
Jan 04 21:59:30 <ShadowJK> what -dr in mplayer does
Jan 04 22:00:08 <ssvb> ShadowJK: you can ask me instead :) http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/dr-methods.txt
Jan 04 22:02:32 <lcuk> ssvb, would you happen to have the planarYUV -> omapfbchunky function on hand, academic interest has piqued and it would save me digging
Jan 04 22:03:15 <ssvb> ShadowJK: the idea is that we have Xv buffers in yv12 format and mplayer decodes video directly into them, these buffers are also visible from Xomap because they use shared memory, Xomap runs color format conversion from these buffers into the framebuffer
Jan 04 22:03:46 <ssvb> ShadowJK: so no extra copies are required
Jan 04 22:04:53 <ShadowJK> And in the omapfb case?
Jan 04 22:04:58 <ssvb> ShadowJK: if the hw supported yv12 natively, that would be another story and the direct framebuffer access would have an advantage
Jan 04 22:05:14 <ssvb> ShadowJK: it's all the same, only without interprocess communication
Jan 04 22:05:18 <GAN8001> Jaffa, I wonder if it has something to do with accumulating ammo to convince Nokia that openness can be productive?
Jan 04 22:07:02 <ssvb> ShadowJK: that's why direct rendering should be almost as fast as omapfb (interprocess communication should have a bit of overhead, but this should not be very noticeable), if everything is working right of course :)
Jan 04 22:07:09 <ShadowJK> ssvb, though theoretically it could do YV12->native in one step without first decoding into a YV12 buffer and then converting the YV12 buffer to a the native fb?
Jan 04 22:07:15 <Jaffa> GAN8001: Perhaps. But it's also been pointed out a few times (by people including myself) that you can't just mandate *receiving* openness. It's a two-way street, and saying "tell us what to do" isn't inviting a sensible guided conversation. They're still supposed to be the experts. A *much* better starting point would be "we've identified problems X, Y and Z. We think we can solve these by doing A & B. It'd help if you did C. What do you think? Is this achi
Jan 04 22:08:13 <ssvb> ShadowJK: that's very theoretical question, the decoder should support output to this weird format natively, which is PITA to implement and nobody is going to do that
Jan 04 22:08:13 <GAN8001> Cut off at "Is this achi"
Jan 04 22:08:19 <GAN8001> And, yes, I agree with you.
Jan 04 22:08:28 <Jaffa> "achievable within timescale D?"
Jan 04 22:08:34 <GAN8001> I'm pondering out the motives.
Jan 04 22:08:58 <Jaffa> I suspect you may be right in the motive. It's the one which makes most sense
Jan 04 22:08:59 <lcuk> ShadowJK, yes, but thats a very specific and long winded method, the function for converting is very optimized to handling full frames, manipulating individual pixels in the strange format is slower overall because its not aligned
Jan 04 22:09:11 <ssvb> ShadowJK: moreover, video decoders are using planar formats and decode each color component separately, decoding directly to packed format can have extra overhead
Jan 04 22:09:18 <ShadowJK> hm
Jan 04 22:09:19 <Jaffa> Or, alternatively, this *is* an attempt at being open. Just not a very good one ;-)
Jan 04 22:09:27 <Stslaptop> discussing igor's post? :P
Jan 04 22:09:36 <Jaffa> Not specifically :)
Jan 04 22:09:40 <GAN8001> It may also be trying to enable us by giving us the opportunity to step up.
Jan 04 22:09:44 <GAN8001> But I don't much like it.
Jan 04 22:10:05 <lcuk> ShadowJK, i was asked the same thing about liqbase, its entirely possible to draw on the compressed planes but its very messy and not optimizable in the same logical manner
Jan 04 22:10:06 <GAN8001> I'd rather see them bring some strong leadership that we rally around.
Jan 04 22:10:15 <Jaffa> It's a bit unguided. It feels like a "step up, or we'll go back to how it was before" ultimatum.
Jan 04 22:10:55 <ssvb> lcuk: check https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/libswscale_nokia770/?root=mplayer
Jan 04 22:11:00 <GAN8001> Jaffa, anyway, I think it's something that needs an extended blog analysis.
Jan 04 22:11:15 <lcuk> thanks ssvb :)
Jan 04 22:11:31 <ShadowJK> I know in the case of having YV12 framebuffer, MPlayer can request the codec to output in smaller slices instead of whole frame at once, and push these smaller pieces through the filterchain and into the HW. This is supposedly faster because it stays in cache throughout the chain, and might be where the supposed speed advantage vs Xv comes from
Jan 04 22:11:36 <Jaffa> Potentially inflamatory. I'll start thinking some more. What else could paternity leave be for? (Apart from keeping popping on to the work VPN to check how broken things are getting ;-/)
Jan 04 22:11:47 <GAN8001> Ha
Jan 04 22:12:09 <GAN8001> Well, inflammatory isn't necessarily undesirable. ;)
Jan 04 22:12:17 <GAN8001> But if the approach is right. . . .
Jan 04 22:12:17 <Jaffa> True :)
Jan 04 22:12:25 <ssvb> ShadowJK: slices based decoding is a bad idea for mplayer (at least for omapfb output)
Jan 04 22:12:42 <GAN8001> "This is the problem I think I might see. Let's talk about it."
Jan 04 22:13:09 <lcuk> heh ssvb, it might lead to a new fad in tearing : even sliced pieces of different frames :D
Jan 04 22:14:21 <ssvb> ShadowJK: the point is that we want to have a complete frame at once and push it to the framebuffer, if we try to output the first slice, it would stall waiting till the previous screen update is complete in order to be sure that we can overwrite the previous frame in the framebuffer
Jan 04 22:14:46 <ssvb> ShadowJK: also the size of data cache is too small on ARM11 to benefit from slice based decoding
Jan 04 22:15:50 <ShadowJK> yes
Jan 04 22:16:02 <ShadowJK> actually it doesn't even work with slices
Jan 04 22:16:18 <Jaffa> GAN8001: pasted a bit of this into an email; since I should go to bed.
Jan 04 22:16:21 <Jaffa> g'night all
Jan 04 22:16:25 <Stskeeps> gnite jaffa
Jan 04 22:16:26 <ssvb> ShadowJK: yes, I was lazy to implement it :)
Jan 04 22:16:38 <ShadowJK> (xv)
Jan 04 22:17:08 <ssvb> ShadowJK: omapfb just does not display anything if you try slice based decoding
Jan 04 22:17:36 <ssvb> ShadowJK: though showing a scary error message would be a good idea too
Jan 04 22:18:05 <ShadowJK> hm, no way to tell mplayer that vo can not accept slices?
Jan 04 22:18:43 <ssvb> maybe, but as I said, I was just lazy and focused on other things
Jan 04 22:18:47 <ShadowJK> hey, slices and yuy2 xv works :-)
Jan 04 22:19:18 <ssvb> yuy2 xv is irrelevant, it is never going to be fast on internet tablets :)
Jan 04 22:19:52 <ssvb> well, at least on currently released internet tablets :)
Jan 04 22:20:05 <ShadowJK> And you'd hope the next ones have YV12
Jan 04 22:21:43 <Stskeeps> any good debian packagers around? if i have package X which i'll replace with package Y, which is a drop-in replacement, you'd think i could do provides/replaces/conflicts in package Y with package X.. but what about the packages depending on X (>= some version)? :P
Jan 04 22:22:01 <ShadowJK> it'd be cool to get omapfb into mplayer trunk, and other changes
Jan 04 22:22:32 <ssvb> ShadowJK: it would be also cool if direct rendering was working reliably
Jan 04 22:22:56 <ShadowJK> hm?
Jan 04 22:23:30 <ssvb> ShadowJK: it's a bit fragile and sometimes can be buggy with subtitles, also if you have menu enabled, it gets turned off internally and does not provide any speed improvement
Jan 04 22:23:57 <ShadowJK> yes
Jan 04 22:24:11 <ssvb> ShadowJK: mplayer with direct rendering and using xv that is reliable and has the same performance as omapfb would be the best solution
Jan 04 22:25:07 <ssvb> ShadowJK: just because it plays nice with X server, does not have visual glitches and can be embedded into windows for use with different gui frontends
Jan 04 22:25:13 <ssvb> canola for example
Jan 04 22:25:52 <ShadowJK> OSD and subs flicker or don't appear on "normal" Xv displays too :-)
Jan 04 22:26:50 <ssvb> ShadowJK: OSD and subs can work fine with direct rendering if implemented right
Jan 04 22:27:05 <ShadowJK> yeah
Jan 04 22:28:24 <Toba> hey guys, anyone here develop gui python apps for maemo?
Jan 04 22:28:38 <Toba> i'm looking for a version of libnotify, for popping up notifications
Jan 04 22:29:21 <alterego> This backup is taking a little longer than I first anticipated.
Jan 04 22:29:33 <Toba> if it's a lot of files, that could certainly happen
Jan 04 22:29:45 <ShadowJK> ssvb, so what's the story with ao_gst?
Jan 04 22:31:22 <ssvb> ShadowJK: it has absolutely no future :)
Jan 04 22:31:35 <ShadowJK> hm? :-)
Jan 04 22:32:00 <alterego> 13G left to go.
Jan 04 22:32:07 <ssvb> shadowJK: that was a hack to use MP3 binary DSP decoder, unfortunately it did not have any public API except gstreamer, so gstreamer wrapper had to be used
Jan 04 22:32:32 <qwerty12_N800> Toba, does it have to be libnotify? the hildon way is hildon.hildon_banner_show_information (but i'm not a dev so...)
Jan 04 22:32:42 <ssvb> ShadowJK: that's entirely bad idea, but it worked fine on Nokia 770
Jan 04 22:32:52 <Toba> oh, i guess i should make a branch for a hildon version of my app
Jan 04 22:33:25 <ssvb> ShadowJK: the right solution is to develop open source DSP decoders and use them :)
Jan 04 22:33:54 <ShadowJK> how come the gstreamer thing no longer works? :-)
Jan 04 22:34:22 <ssvb> ShadowJK: because mplayer uses gstreamer not in the way it was intended to work
Jan 04 22:34:46 <ssvb> ShadowJK: something got broken with gstreamer stack update on N8x0
Jan 04 22:35:16 <ssvb> ShadowJK: or it is better to say, it is not compatible with this hack anymore
Jan 04 22:35:25 <ShadowJK> lol
Jan 04 22:36:51 <ssvb> ShadowJK: by the way, I was flamed quite badly by gstreamer developers when I tried to get some information whether it is possible to make this stuff work better
Jan 04 22:37:05 <ShadowJK> I'm not surprised
Jan 04 22:38:12 <D_Zirt> can anyone help me fix this infinite loop on my 770, all I did was install usbutils and it wont even boot to the desktop at all now
Jan 04 22:38:31 <ShadowJK> but it sounds so easy in theory "gstreamer can play mp3, right"
Jan 04 22:38:34 <ShadowJK> :)
Jan 04 22:40:54 <ssvb> ShadowJK: That's like one would try to hammer in nails using a microscope (just because there was no better tool available), and then asking microscope manufacturers if there could be done something about making it a bit better suitable for this purpose too :)
Jan 04 22:42:18 <ssvb> ShadowJK: gstreamer is designed to have full control over video playback, I just wanted to get it out of the way and do decoding entirely under mplayer control
Jan 04 22:43:08 <ssvb> s/video/multimedia/
Jan 04 22:43:09 <infobot> ssvb meant: ShadowJK: gstreamer is designed to have full control over multimedia playback, I just wanted to get it out of the way and do decoding entirely under mplayer control
Jan 04 22:47:17 <TrueJournals> w00t!  I fixed my pyacmonitor by adding a really complicated asynchronous process executing class
Jan 04 23:12:46 <alterego> 2 minutes until ubuntu reinstallation.
Jan 04 23:13:55 <GAN8001> Woo!
Jan 04 23:14:11 <alterego> Yeah, wish me luck ;)
Jan 04 23:15:47 <alterego> Here we go
Jan 04 23:20:09 <b-man> i updated my Ubuntu guide to include apt-pinning to speed up the install prosess ;) - http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257
Jan 04 23:24:40 <D_Zirt> anyone know how to fix an infinite reboot loop on a 770?
Jan 04 23:28:28 <Stskeeps> reflash?
Jan 04 23:31:28 <GAN8001> ~flashing
Jan 04 23:31:30 <infobot> methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jan 04 23:31:52 <D_Zirt> it reboots before I have time to reflash
Jan 04 23:32:05 <D_Zirt> Im thinking I have to disable watchdog   whatever that is
Jan 04 23:37:41 <AStorm> D_Zirt, just hold the home button while booting
Jan 04 23:37:53 <AStorm> it will enter the special flashing mode
Jan 04 23:39:04 <mavhc> the "oh crap I've forgotton to backup my files and now they're gone" button
Jan 04 23:39:29 <D_Zirt> ya I tried that
Jan 04 23:39:59 <D_Zirt> I just did a 'flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R
Jan 04 23:41:21 <GAN8001> D_Zirt, follow the instructions on the wiki. :)
Jan 04 23:46:58 <D_Zirt> ok, so I disbaled th lifeguard reset, but it still reboots when I try to flash it
Jan 04 23:47:46 <mavhc> so you're in flashing usb mode, why would it even be trying to boot?
Jan 04 23:49:01 <D_Zirt> Im trying to re-flash because it Wont boot
Jan 04 23:49:47 <GAN8001> Again, follow the instructions on the wiki.
Jan 04 23:49:58 <GAN8001> If you disabled the lifeguard, you can flash. . . .
Jan 04 23:50:21 <D_Zirt> I did disable lifeguard
Jan 04 23:50:40 <GAN8001> Which is just flashing with a different set of arguments.
Jan 04 23:50:47 <D_Zirt> and now when I try to flash it just restarts it and takes it out of usb mode
Jan 04 23:50:58 <GAN8001> Is the battery dead?
Jan 04 23:51:20 <D_Zirt> I hope not, it was sitting plugged in for several hours
Jan 04 23:51:37 <D_Zirt> at least it was supposed to be charging, it just kept resetting
Jan 05 00:11:07 <D_Zirt> ok, now that lifeguard is disabled, it goes to a white screen with a battery in the middle for about 30 seconds, then to a plain white screen and just sits
Jan 05 00:11:17 <D_Zirt> when charging
Jan 05 00:13:31 <D_Zirt> anybody? please, Im about to throw this p.o.s across the room
Jan 05 00:14:57 <GAN8001> You know there are more watchdogs?
Jan 05 00:15:25 <D_Zirt> that I can disbale?
Jan 05 00:15:35 <GAN8001> If disabling all watchdogs doesn't help, then it's a low battery.
Jan 05 00:15:38 <GAN8001> ~flasher
Jan 05 00:15:39 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
Jan 05 00:16:59 <D_Zirt> ya, the only thing that I can see that might help me is the lifguard
Jan 05 00:17:18 <AStorm> no, it won't
Jan 05 00:17:33 <AStorm> also, already tried booting while holding Home?
Jan 05 00:17:43 <AStorm> when connected to USB
Jan 05 00:18:08 <AStorm> it should stop at a Nokia screen with a plug icon
Jan 05 00:18:17 <D_Zirt> yes, after disabling the lifguard it works until I try to flash it with a new bin
Jan 05 00:18:20 <AStorm> which is the cold flash mode
Jan 05 00:18:32 <AStorm> what?
Jan 05 00:18:35 <GAN8001> Cold flash involves serial cables.
Jan 05 00:18:50 <AStorm> GAN800, whatever, it still should work
Jan 05 00:19:02 <AStorm> it works even with broken initfs
Jan 05 00:19:15 <AStorm> (is done by Fiasco I guess)
Jan 05 00:19:31 <D_Zirt> I bet cold flash would help me
Jan 05 00:19:38 <GAN8001> I bet not.
Jan 05 00:19:42 <AStorm> and watchdogs should be correctly disabled in that case
Jan 05 00:19:59 <AStorm> yes, it's dying due to low battery apparently
Jan 05 00:20:15 <D_Zirt> well then why wont it charge?
Jan 05 00:20:25 <AStorm> ~curse nokia for doing battery charging in software
Jan 05 00:20:26 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia for doing battery charging in software !
Jan 05 00:20:43 <D_Zirt> ya, thats what I was thinking
Jan 05 00:21:04 <AStorm> until dsme is running, it's not charging
Jan 05 00:21:27 <AStorm> uhm, bme
Jan 05 00:21:38 <D_Zirt> I guess I'll just have to build a Li-Pol charger  -.-
Jan 05 00:22:15 <GAN8001> Have you tried plugging in the charger once it's in flashing mode?
Jan 05 00:22:24 <GAN8001> AStorm, who doesn't do it in software these days? :\
Jan 05 00:22:30 <AStorm> GAN800, no, it won't charge then
Jan 05 00:22:40 <GAN8001> AStorm, that's not the point.
Jan 05 00:22:49 <AStorm> GAN8001, well, one simple chip would be enough
Jan 05 00:22:51 <GAN8001> The point is to supplement the battery, not charge it additionally.
Jan 05 00:23:12 <AStorm> it will drain it
Jan 05 00:23:39 <AStorm> as the default mode is full battery operation
Jan 05 00:23:58 <D_Zirt> Im trying
Jan 05 00:24:02 <AStorm> yes, it's a nasty bug imo
Jan 05 00:24:45 <D_Zirt> nope, just restarts as soon as I try to flash
Jan 05 00:24:48 <GAN8001> Meh
Jan 05 00:26:05 <AStorm> D_Zirt, you'll have to grab a charger
Jan 05 00:26:15 <AStorm> I recommend some cell phone store
Jan 05 00:26:25 <AStorm> they should have N96 around
Jan 05 00:27:59 <GAN8001> Er, how, exactly, does an N96 help?
Jan 05 00:28:24 <AStorm> it supports BP-4l?
Jan 05 00:28:27 <AStorm> :P
Jan 05 00:28:38 <GAN8001> Not.
Jan 05 00:28:47 <AStorm> hm
Jan 05 00:28:52 <AStorm> which one does?
Jan 05 00:29:07 <GAN8001> The 770 is BP-5L, anyway.
Jan 05 00:29:08 <D_Zirt> same battery
Jan 05 00:29:29 <AStorm> ah, it's 770? then it's easy
Jan 05 00:29:41 <AStorm> n95 or e60
Jan 05 00:30:22 <pupnik> how about user-swappable backplates with different size batteries, for n9x0
Jan 05 00:30:52 <GAN8001> RX-51
Jan 05 00:30:59 <AStorm> unlikely, as Nokia likes to reuse battery designs
Jan 05 00:30:59 <D_Zirt> anyway Im out, thanks for the help. I'll be back if I gat it fixed
Jan 05 00:33:45 <pupnik> yeah
Jan 05 00:34:17 <pupnik> infineon wants to sell a new battery branding system that will put crypto on a battery
Jan 05 00:34:30 <pupnik> so the host device will not accept 3rd party batteries
Jan 05 00:34:37 <AStorm> no more cheap replacements...
Jan 05 00:34:52 <AStorm> "safety" measure or sth
Jan 05 00:35:13 <AStorm> actually, $$$
Jan 05 00:35:28 <pupnik> i hope they leave the DC-in jack unmolested
Jan 05 00:35:42 <AStorm> as lifetime of lithium-based is about 3y
Jan 05 00:35:59 <AStorm> uhm, no, USB would be much better
Jan 05 00:36:13 <AStorm> although, microusb is horrible
Jan 05 00:36:17 <AStorm> and unsupported
Jan 05 00:45:18 <GAN8001> USB would be better if you don't want to connect USB devices to it and stay powered on.
Jan 05 00:45:27 <GAN8001> USB certainly isn't better in all cases.
Jan 05 00:45:30 <AStorm> yup
Jan 05 00:45:36 <AStorm> so give us 2 ports :)
Jan 05 00:46:03 <GAN8001> Lot of space to use up.
Jan 05 00:46:24 <AStorm> yup, a lot of unused space
Jan 05 00:46:32 <AStorm> problem will be powering all the ports
Jan 05 00:46:48 <AStorm> and charging will need a client mode
Jan 05 00:47:11 <GAN8001> Not gonna happen on a consumer device anyway, so I'd rather have the dedicated power port.
Jan 05 00:47:18 <AStorm> meaning an OTG cable
Jan 05 00:47:26 <AStorm> it does happen
Jan 05 00:47:39 <AStorm> all the new cell phones are charged over usb
Jan 05 00:47:51 <GAN8001> You misunderstood.
Jan 05 00:48:01 <GAN8001> You wont get two USB ports in a consumer device like this.
Jan 05 00:48:02 <AStorm> 2 ports?
Jan 05 00:48:13 <AStorm> why not? a lot of free space
Jan 05 00:48:27 <GAN8001> It's expensive and pointless for 99% of users.
Jan 05 00:48:37 <AStorm> :>
Jan 05 00:48:49 <AStorm> I loathe nokia plugs
Jan 05 00:49:03 <AStorm> they should use something standard instead
Jan 05 00:49:21 <GAN8001> Whatever, but they aint puttin' two of them on there.
Jan 05 00:59:04 <D_Zirt> Fixxored  :)
Jan 05 02:22:55 <pupnik> expandable battery capacity is winsome
Jan 05 02:30:50 <stelleg> anyone know how to change config file to compile kernel for verbose output?  NOKIA screen isn't particularly informative
Jan 05 02:31:53 <GAN8001> https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting
Jan 05 02:31:56 <AStorm> stelleg, you have to enable automatic screen refresh
Jan 05 02:32:13 <AStorm> in framebuffer options
Jan 05 02:32:25 <stelleg> whoa thanks guys
Jan 05 02:34:26 <AStorm> btw, can't we have X driver swiitch to manual updates?
Jan 05 02:36:49 * pupnik would like to know what the refresh rate *is*
Jan 05 02:37:07 <pupnik> refresh "as needed"?
Jan 05 02:37:23 <AStorm> I guess around 50 Hz
Jan 05 02:37:23 <GAN8001> pupnik, about the same as a mechanical TV. ;)
Jan 05 02:37:44 <AStorm> while X updates as needed
Jan 05 02:37:53 <pupnik> hm
Jan 05 02:38:00 <stelleg> hm
Jan 05 02:38:45 <stelleg> using Bundyo's kernel I got verbose output without editing initfs stuff
Jan 05 02:39:13 <stelleg> when you say enable automatic screen refresh is that a kernel option?
Jan 05 02:39:15 <AStorm> because it's built with autorefresh
Jan 05 02:39:21 <AStorm> it is
Jan 05 02:40:16 <stelleg> k I'll look for that, thanks
Jan 05 02:40:34 <AStorm> as wiki tells, X will run slow
Jan 05 02:40:42 <AStorm> I don't know why
Jan 05 02:40:57 <AStorm> I'd rather expect it to just use more power
Jan 05 02:41:36 <ljp> its slower because its refreshing the entire screen, instead of just the areas needing to be repainted
Jan 05 02:41:48 <AStorm> well
Jan 05 02:42:47 <AStorm> couldn't X driver switch the mode itself
Jan 05 02:43:00 <AStorm> instead of us relying on hacked tools?
Jan 05 02:46:09 <ljp> any application can switch the update mode
Jan 05 02:46:34 <AStorm> yes, so?
Jan 05 02:46:45 <AStorm> X driver should do that
Jan 05 02:48:59 <AStorm> I'd also like to be able to switch VT somehow
Jan 05 02:53:46 <stelleg> sorry AStorm, I seem to be having trouble locating how to compile the kernel with the autorefresh option you speak of
Jan 05 02:54:05 <AStorm> it's in framebuffer options
Jan 05 02:54:07 <stelleg> I don't see it in any config files
Jan 05 02:54:11 <AStorm> ...
Jan 05 02:54:19 <stelleg> hmm
Jan 05 02:54:21 <AStorm> make menuconfig please
Jan 05 02:54:28 <stelleg> k
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