**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 10 02:59:57 2009 Jan 10 03:04:04 fifi: hola Jan 10 03:04:46 hola Jan 10 03:04:47 =P Jan 10 03:04:50 hola Jan 10 03:04:53 alguien por fin Jan 10 03:05:06 :) Jan 10 03:05:35 y sisto eres chico o chica? Jan 10 03:05:49 chico Jan 10 03:06:48 aah Jan 10 03:07:01 sorry por la pregunta es ke yo tenia de nombre ceferino Jan 10 03:07:02 xD Jan 10 03:07:12 no se a kien rayos se le ocurrio ese nombre Jan 10 03:08:17 ceferino? Jan 10 03:10:53 sip Jan 10 03:27:26 hi, anyone had a problem where the power and menu button stop working on an n810? Jan 10 03:28:21 power, yes, menu, no. Jan 10 03:28:34 Are they totally dead, or just inconsistent? Jan 10 03:28:52 they do nothing, but the device makes a button click sound Jan 10 03:29:30 I noticed it happen on a chinook device and now one with the latest diablo Jan 10 03:29:38 did you install something? Jan 10 03:29:40 Like powerlaunch Jan 10 03:30:02 the only hint I have is that I started using modest on the chinook one and just setup email on the diablo one last night Jan 10 03:30:11 so maybe modest has done something Jan 10 03:30:35 Unlikely Jan 10 03:30:46 I have personalmenus installed on both, I'll have to check out powerlaunch Jan 10 03:31:45 its going to be *really* annoying to reflash (as the last resort) because I've just spent a few days making the diablo one setup nicely. Jan 10 03:32:15 did you manage to fix your problem with the power button? Jan 10 03:32:23 It was intermittent Jan 10 03:32:29 mce behaving badly, I think Jan 10 03:32:45 Never bothered to track down the issue once it went away. Jan 10 03:32:45 * monkeyiq thinks about trying to compile xev for the n810 Jan 10 03:33:24 I was hoping to just clone the new diablo to the chinook machine to try to get around the problem. but as the diablo one is now doing the same thing :( Jan 10 03:35:39 on a related note, I noticed a little while ago that the diablo one is not dimming its display anymore either Jan 10 03:36:03 which is how I noticed that the power button doesn't work (trying to lock the keypad) Jan 10 03:37:44 I much preferred the previous battle of getting the native gnomevfs obex to mount through FUSE Jan 10 03:37:56 atleast it was closer to my home turf Jan 10 03:40:09 kind of sad that you can get at a phone over obex through bt in the file manager, but canola/kagu are blocked from it. Jan 10 03:40:53 it seems that obexftp doesn't like working natively, so I'm trying to get the gnomevfs stuff that comes with the device to loop through FUSE Jan 10 03:41:54 ok, luckily I think I stubled on what was blocking the buttons! Jan 10 03:41:58 * monkeyiq tests again Jan 10 03:43:32 yep, seems to be it, trying to autostart e-calendar and e-addressbook at boot Jan 10 03:43:51 I don't know why but they were stopping the buttons from doing their thing Jan 10 03:46:22 so I'll have to tweak how those get started, because I want scheduled syncevolution to work if the device is up Jan 10 03:47:38 * monkeyiq dances around in joy at having solved the strange power button issue! Jan 10 03:49:06 shame its gnomevfs and not gio based bluetooth... Jan 10 04:26:52 hm Jan 10 04:27:14 guess kde is the best solution for real world use of my n800 Jan 10 04:27:34 sure wish some of the apps were haxored tho.. as to fit within the screen Jan 10 04:28:00 but they are usually settings screens.. once you get done with htem then they are pointless for quite awhile Jan 10 04:28:24 it has koffice and prints with cups...i can eliminate my laptop Jan 10 04:46:25 you use a mouse with your N800 in te 'real world' then macer? Jan 10 04:49:26 morning Jan 10 05:11:03 Hi Jan 10 05:12:13 Anyone knows if Palm's webOS would run under maemo? Jan 10 05:12:30 not unless they open source it and someone ports it Jan 10 05:13:22 Ok so it's not like garnet, then? Jan 10 05:14:17 well, Access has the rights to the old PalmOS. That's why have the knowledge and the legal ability to distribute GarnetVM Jan 10 05:14:56 And the reason Garnet works so quickly on our hardware is that it's really emulating a 20+ year old chip Jan 10 05:15:31 WebOS probably needs nothing less than an OMAP3 to be fast, so emulating it would be (just a guess here) 24x slower than real time Jan 10 05:15:34 Well, I've just got my n800 this Christmas, can somebody point me to the must haves for now? Thanks in advance Jan 10 05:16:40 xterm Jan 10 05:16:42 canola2 + youtube plugin, FBReader, xchat, maemo mapper, quicknote, xarchiver Jan 10 05:16:44 ssh Jan 10 05:16:59 and cbrpager if you want to read scanned comic books Jan 10 05:17:18 does cbrpager decompress the entire book first? or is seeking possible within zip/rar? Jan 10 05:17:45 pupnik, it seems to decompress a page at a time, into memory, not somewhere on the fs Jan 10 05:17:52 oh nice Jan 10 05:18:09 it even scrolls nicely with the latest xserver updates Jan 10 05:18:11 Thanks guys Jan 10 05:18:11 'comix' unpacks the entire archive into /tmp first Jan 10 05:18:18 ok, thanks. Jan 10 05:18:26 alex_mayorga, the real first thing is to make sure your software is up to date :) Jan 10 05:18:40 i like 'quiver' for image viewing Jan 10 05:18:47 Os2008 you mean? Jan 10 05:19:00 alex_mayorga, but the latest update to OS2008 :) Jan 10 05:19:26 if you have your tablet in front of you what does system -> control panel -> about product say for the version? Jan 10 05:21:30 5.2008.43-7 Jan 10 05:21:34 omg, evince is *so* much faster starting up than kpdf Jan 10 05:21:42 20-30x on this box Jan 10 05:22:11 alex_mayorga, yup. that's the latest. just making sure :) Jan 10 05:22:28 I'm here on pidgin on the tablwt :) Jan 10 05:22:39 ah, then your first step is xchat :) Jan 10 05:23:26 Ok, it's sleepy time now so I'll check it out tomorrow Jan 10 05:24:06 Hope you wont mind me asking newbie questions all over :D Jan 10 05:24:28 nah, go for it :) Jan 10 05:24:40 generally a pretty friendly channel. just be sure to do some reading too :) Jan 10 05:25:21 Thanks you're real nice, see you around then, bye now Jan 10 05:25:33 cheers Jan 10 05:35:16 hrmrm Jan 10 05:35:16 * rm_you dies for another week Jan 10 05:36:17 poke rm_you Jan 10 05:36:25 infobot, poke rm_you Jan 10 05:36:26 * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind rm_you, pokes rm_you repeatedly, hilarity ensues. Jan 10 06:30:02 hm Jan 10 06:32:26 hm Jan 10 07:54:15 is canola broken? not really updating its media library for audio files for me even though I've said to look at both cards Jan 10 09:00:15 sony displayed rollable/flexible OLEDs at CES 2009 Jan 10 09:09:13 morning Jan 10 09:22:27 someone called me ? Jan 10 09:22:41 ehlo Sts Jan 10 09:23:48 RzR: think it was r2d2rogers last night about mer on 770 Jan 10 09:23:55 morning RST38h Jan 10 09:24:06 RST38h: so seems like there's 24/32 bit work being done for sapwood :) Jan 10 09:24:13 ok i'll find him Jan 10 09:24:23 thx Stskeeps Jan 10 09:24:49 are u guys going to fosdem ? Jan 10 09:24:49 i plan to Jan 10 09:25:26 i'm personally not Jan 10 09:25:37 hoping to go to next maemo summit when that time is though Jan 10 09:26:13 also, i'm willing to bet i'll get in a fist fight if i get drunk and start discussing GPL.. Jan 10 09:26:18 which probably isn't a good thing :) Jan 10 09:27:25 * Stskeeps eats his breakfast Jan 10 09:34:26 Sts: Weird, does it mean they are gonna used 24bpp LCD? Jan 10 09:34:50 RST38h: not sure really, just weird work started on it Jan 10 09:35:03 RGBA code is there at least Jan 10 09:35:29 https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/sapwood/ChangeLog Jan 10 09:49:08 Stskeeps, standard, stock kernel that boots from rootfs is in my webspace for mer @ tspre Jan 10 09:49:20 is it possible to share folders on the N810 over the network? Jan 10 09:49:51 qwerty12: thanks, zImage? Jan 10 09:50:03 Stskeeps, yep & a very tiny patch for reference Jan 10 09:50:17 thanks! Jan 10 09:50:26 np :) Jan 10 09:51:25 is file and folder sharing on the N810 possible? Jan 10 09:51:40 will you kill me if i ask for a init=/sbin/tablet.startup or something like that?, qwerty12? Jan 10 09:51:53 will make me able to have all three modes in same jffs2 image so Jan 10 09:52:13 er, init=/sbin/init.tablet Jan 10 09:52:38 Stskeeps, nope because most objects are compiled and it should take less than a minute to make a new kernel with the already compiled objects (barring the cmdline change) :D Jan 10 09:52:47 alright, ta Jan 10 09:55:26 that means i'll be able to make N800 tar.gz, .zImage & .jffs2 and a 770 tar.gz using imager now :) Jan 10 09:55:34 Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/zImage_inittablet.tar.bz2 Jan 10 09:55:37 wicked :) Jan 10 09:55:40 thanks! Jan 10 09:56:27 so what happened when you tried to boot maemo? mayhem? Jan 10 09:58:22 I saw the bar so I knew it was booting from rootfs as fb-progress is not in initfs and the bar got to the end, it didn't show the nokia splash and shut off :P Jan 10 09:58:36 hehe Jan 10 10:07:56 * Stskeeps ponders idly what went wrong in last xchat compile attempt Jan 10 10:08:28 Jaiku not posting "build xchat"? :P Jan 10 10:08:48 Anyway, you're welcome to tinker with it to get it to compile :P Jan 10 10:09:06 i was more curious about the Failed to fetch http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/x/xchat/xchat_2.8.6-mer1.dsc Hash Sum mismatch Jan 10 10:09:19 Ah, that was laziness on my part Jan 10 10:09:20 and it posts it if you do build xchat (random ext) Jan 10 10:09:35 building it Jan 10 10:09:40 Stskeeps, yeah, I know - jaiku or my firefox was fucking about Jan 10 10:10:08 jaiku :P Jan 10 10:10:10 Don't think jaiku likes "build xchat" being written so much times :-) Jan 10 10:10:13 yeah Jan 10 10:10:18 which is why we add the ()'s :)( Jan 10 10:10:19 :) Jan 10 10:10:36 Ah, the builder ignores extra symbols? Jan 10 10:11:27 yeah Jan 10 10:11:37 it understands build package=version, and ignores the rest Jan 10 10:12:05 Wicked, I thought I'd caused it to build multiple times by hammering jaiku with build xchat, build xchat... :P Jan 10 10:12:32 * qwerty12 introduces jaiku to me middle finger Jan 10 10:12:38 hehe Jan 10 10:12:44 Sts: Would be a major problem if they switched to 24bpp though Jan 10 10:13:04 About twice as much time will be needed to transfer images Jan 10 10:13:56 maybe Jan 10 10:14:17 or just supporting those archs in sapwood Jan 10 10:16:17 fuck, if you autogen xchat, make sure that it doesn't remove any of the modfications^H^H^H^Hhacks to get it to compile cleanly under mer sdk Jan 10 10:16:39 k Jan 10 10:18:07 which hacks, btw? Jan 10 10:18:50 I wish I could say that I remembered :/ - I think to the Makefile.am files in the po folder mainly Jan 10 10:18:52 * Stskeeps is looking a bit at the build Jan 10 10:19:33 Then again, I don't think autogen touches makefile.am Jan 10 10:22:19 Clutter had some 16bpp patches Jan 10 10:22:23 It wont be 24bpp Jan 10 10:22:23 k, got it to build - when you upload the source package, don't include ./configure Jan 10 10:22:27 then it will build sanely Jan 10 10:22:43 as it will run autogen.sh then Jan 10 10:22:50 remove the libtoolize --force thing again Jan 10 10:22:53 also, depend on automake1.9 Jan 10 10:23:13 Hrm, I remember depending on autotools-dev - what automake version is in that? Jan 10 10:23:35 neither Jan 10 10:23:43 fuck Jan 10 10:23:57 This package installs an up-to-date (from CVS) version of config.guess and config.sub, used by the automake and libtool packages. It provides the canonical copy of those files for other packages as well. Jan 10 10:24:00 :P Jan 10 10:24:11 but yeah, those fixes fix it Jan 10 10:24:18 Hah, thanks, I'll remember that Jan 10 10:24:20 automake1.10 is ok too Jan 10 10:25:15 Hrm, I thought you built it already. Want me to send another source package? Jan 10 10:25:47 yeah, i just chrooted to the builder instance directory and tried to see what would be needed to build Jan 10 10:25:59 ok Jan 10 10:26:20 cleaning out the failed builds, sec Jan 10 10:27:12 basically when a build fails i leave the corpse of the build on the disk so we can go in and see why it failed Jan 10 10:27:15 (on x86) Jan 10 10:27:29 CSI : Mer Jan 10 10:27:35 hehe Jan 10 10:27:43 there, all clear Jan 10 10:28:15 ok, lemme fix it up :) Jan 10 10:35:28 ah, no wonder i thought this jffs thing was a little too small, didnt finish running yet :P Jan 10 10:35:59 My jffs2 image was 139MB :P Jan 10 10:36:09 After sumtooling it, it became 146 Jan 10 10:36:09 Morning Jan 10 10:36:13 morning Jaffa Jan 10 10:37:16 you must really admire nokia developers at times Jan 10 10:37:21 i mean, 770 with 128mb flash.. Jan 10 10:37:32 no wonder they had to shrink things that much Jan 10 10:38:23 morning jaffa Jan 10 10:38:32 sts/qwerty/everyone :) Jan 10 10:38:40 as memory prices drop so fast it's daft to make any part non changable Jan 10 10:38:42 hi lcuk :) Jan 10 10:39:24 Stskeeps, yay! :) Jan 10 10:39:25 mavhc, but having it changable changes what you can reasonably expect to exist Jan 10 10:41:27 qwerty12: woo!, now let's see if it passes the big door :P Jan 10 10:41:39 hehe :P Jan 10 10:42:23 * qwerty12 wishes I had been first with uploading xchat to extras, I'd have made the locale packages into one package like I've done with the Mer build :/ Jan 10 10:42:28 i'm reading a research paper on IM/SMS and such.. 'For example, in 1929, ... reported that the telephone and the depersonalized communications it offered were in part responsible for the increased sexual liberation of teeagers" Jan 10 10:42:33 heh Jan 10 10:42:34 +n Jan 10 10:43:59 it was all that button humping on the morse key Jan 10 10:45:05 didn't socrates say "kids today are much worse than my generation"? Jan 10 10:46:51 qwerty12: i wonder what we have to do to provide let's say a vmware image too :P Jan 10 10:47:02 it's fairly easy to make things bootable on x86 so Jan 10 10:47:08 (install grub, :P) Jan 10 10:47:37 hehe Jan 10 10:47:56 and a kernel image Jan 10 10:50:48 * Stskeeps tails the build log Jan 10 10:50:49 i would hope its still sane enough to allow me to do full dev Jan 10 10:51:16 damnit Jan 10 10:51:31 qwerty12: log for you Jan 10 10:51:37 Yep, saw the error Jan 10 10:51:42 that was one of my hacks :> Jan 10 10:51:45 hehe Jan 10 10:52:01 lcuk: ctrl-alt-f1 and logging in is a godsend Jan 10 10:52:04 (i work with it at work) Jan 10 10:52:22 the key combination, it does nothing Jan 10 10:52:33 on linux it sure does :P Jan 10 10:52:33 (on windows :D) Jan 10 10:52:50 we actually use mer full time at work, heh Jan 10 10:53:00 not always with hildon on, but we use it :P Jan 10 10:53:12 which WM do you use Jan 10 10:53:24 matchbox Jan 10 10:53:27 cool Jan 10 10:53:40 Stskeeps, actually, that makes me wonder, can you chvt in mer without insmodding bitblit, fbcon etc Jan 10 10:53:43 and the building of required debs is getting easier i gather Jan 10 10:54:07 qwerty12: well right now we have all those laoded Jan 10 10:54:34 Stskeeps, wicked, I don't care if they are loaded, I mean without with me insmodding them :P :) Jan 10 10:54:47 qwerty12: we have fbcon on automatically, so :P Jan 10 10:55:07 Yeah, gathered when I saw it booting up :) Jan 10 11:02:33 Stskeeps, which systems do you run mer on then, x86?omap3?800s? Jan 10 11:04:08 Stskeeps: do you work on mer at work,then? Jan 10 11:04:25 Jaffa: yeah Jan 10 11:04:45 Jaffa: it's actually part of my job description currently, we don't use all parts, but some stuff Jan 10 11:04:53 lcuk: x86 atm Jan 10 11:05:18 Jaffa: (and yes, i have an agreement to open source any non-healthcare related work, so) Jan 10 11:06:33 it's mostly about creating systems that easily can be adapted to both desktop/set top boxes and to mobile devices Jan 10 11:07:01 so if we have some omap board or a n8x0 tablet, we can put our pervasive healthcare systems on top of it Jan 10 11:07:02 heh, even if it was to do with picking fruit you wouldv found some way to involve your nokias :P Jan 10 11:07:09 probably, yeah Jan 10 11:07:49 they get someone who's been playing with unix since he was 8 and knows how solve problems, i get to play with what i like to do :) Jan 10 11:07:50 Cool Jan 10 11:08:19 ahhh Stskeeps , i didnt think qwerty worked for your company as well Jan 10 11:08:26 hehe Jan 10 11:08:31 if i had a company, i'd hire qwerty12 :P Jan 10 11:08:51 "ub3r haxx0r" Jan 10 11:09:00 Stop that, you're making me blush :P Jan 10 11:09:40 * lcuk shows qwerty page 49 from the IBM server catalogue Jan 10 11:10:07 Jaffa: due to the close connection to our mobility group at uni i can get nokia devices for experimentation if i need them, they have a forum nokia contact/sponsorship thing, so :P Jan 10 11:10:18 lcuk, I don't have the catalogue :D Jan 10 11:11:35 ( http://www.daimi.au.dk/mobile/ ) Jan 10 11:13:06 There's some cool projects there Jan 10 11:14:08 yeah, it's really a vibrant environment to be in Jan 10 11:14:56 but from september that's probably over with for now, so i need to find other employment at that point Jan 10 11:15:06 (as i graduate there) Jan 10 11:16:12 * RST38h has to install fortune cookie database at Komkon Jan 10 11:16:15 before september then maybe sure you commit yourself to svn Jan 10 11:16:28 we wanna be able to restore you and carry on the good stuff Jan 10 11:16:31 it had a nice quote about the nature of graduation Jan 10 11:16:32 hehe Jan 10 11:16:48 RST38h: ah? Jan 10 11:16:53 morning all btw Jan 10 11:17:48 morning Jan 10 11:30:30 Stskeeps: get another degree Jan 10 11:30:47 heh nm me Jan 10 11:30:49 good day all Jan 10 11:31:15 pupnik: i think i'll be more than happy with my masters for now.. and there's the possibility of moving to another country with the gf, so Jan 10 11:31:24 heh, somehow i imagine sts getting enough degrees till hes a full circle Jan 10 11:31:53 not with being so school tired.. Jan 10 11:32:20 "heh Jan 10 11:32:59 who wants a brew? Jan 10 11:33:07 * aquatix is tired of `school' too Jan 10 11:33:11 lcuk: memememe! :) Jan 10 11:33:25 * aquatix passes around some too Jan 10 11:35:50 ok aquatix, but umm you have to go to the shop and get some milk :P :D Jan 10 11:36:06 awww Jan 10 11:36:07 ahhh no, tis ok the milkmans been Jan 10 11:36:15 already went to the shop Jan 10 11:36:17 ah :) Jan 10 11:37:02 our milkman is great, he will basically deliver anything on his round Jan 10 11:37:03 We don't even have a milkman here :/. Think all the supermarkets cost them out of a job :/ Jan 10 11:37:15 but i feel uncomfortable having him bringing bacon and eggs and leaving them on the step Jan 10 11:37:44 heh qwerty12 :) its upto the local community to keep the community alive Jan 10 11:38:01 support local services and shops more than large chains :) Jan 10 11:38:29 lcuk, heh, too late for that here :/. There's an decent sized Tesco not far from me at all and it's always busy Jan 10 11:39:16 yeah, we just had a morrisons open right near work and its always full, but what about the small local shops which were around. i make sure i still shop there :) Jan 10 11:40:38 Yeah, we have a food store that's from the corner from us - we sometimes go there if we need something quickly but Tesco being big and all does tend to be cheaper :) Jan 10 11:41:32 yeah thats a given, we do big shops in asda etc ourselves Jan 10 11:42:39 and qwerty12 sometimes being cheaper isnt always the best thing, i specifically bought xmas cards from local newsagents - primarily because that newsagent pays lukes wages (for his paper round) Jan 10 11:43:28 true, true but I don't have any special obligation to shop in a local store Jan 10 11:44:29 not now maybe, but if they all closed down cos they had no business it wouldnt help you in future Jan 10 11:45:23 Ah, not likely to happen anytime soon :). I live near the always busy Green Street Jan 10 11:46:01 cool Jan 10 11:47:10 Although I think it's a shame that asda want to knock down the market to build a store there. I'm not sure the council has allowed it but I know that the market people are not happy at all Jan 10 11:47:21 s/sure/sure if/ Jan 10 11:47:21 qwerty12 meant: Although I think it's a shame that asda want to knock down the market to build a store there. I'm not sure if the council has allowed it but I know that the market people are not happy at all Jan 10 11:47:23 jesus i bet Jan 10 11:48:01 wouldnt it be cool if asda would move their shelves twice a week and let the traders in with their original real stalls :D Jan 10 11:48:19 hehe :D Jan 10 11:48:22 best of both worlds :) Jan 10 11:49:56 Hello. Jan 10 11:50:06 hi Jan 10 11:50:10 hiya roope Jan 10 11:50:47 Hi lcuk. :) Jan 10 11:51:32 qwerty12, any idea how i make a tiny script to change my directory, ive been sick of typing "cd /media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase/vworld" everytime i open a console.. Jan 10 11:51:50 You could use an alias Jan 10 11:51:52 lcuk: alias probably will do the trick Jan 10 11:52:50 alias liqbasedir="cd /media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase/vworld" Jan 10 11:53:09 Shove it in your ~/.profile to make it automatically set that alias each time you open a terminal Jan 10 11:53:18 and then i just type that instead :D cool thanks Jan 10 11:53:54 qwerty12: hmm, how outdated is the last known open source browser ui, btw? Jan 10 11:54:19 Stskeeps, I don't think it's ever been open sourced. The newest one will be the fremantle one Jan 10 11:54:34 ah Jan 10 11:54:57 w00t, my new TV has arrived :) Jan 10 11:55:00 i wonder what https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/ is Jan 10 11:55:00 Nokia-N810-23-14:~# gotoliqbase Jan 10 11:55:00 Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/svn/liqbase/libliqbase# Jan 10 11:55:01 :D Jan 10 11:55:10 thanks qwerty Jan 10 11:55:15 np :D Jan 10 11:55:39 shame it doesnt come up in autocomplete :P Jan 10 11:56:01 Blame it on ash :P Jan 10 11:56:05 bash shows it Jan 10 11:56:06 i tried all different ways (including once almost screwing up everything by setting a symlink from /dev.. Jan 10 11:56:32 * Stskeeps ponders idly Jan 10 11:56:33 roope, are you the roope we know? Jan 10 11:56:56 Yes, the Nokia Roope. :) Jan 10 11:57:02 Just popping in to check out the channel. Jan 10 11:57:08 Haven't been here for a while. Jan 10 11:57:27 heh yeah we dont see you often Jan 10 11:57:34 how was your xmas and new year? Jan 10 11:57:42 Work is keeping us busy. Which is a good thing, I guess. :) Jan 10 11:58:06 Too short, as usual. :) How about you? Jan 10 11:58:07 heh, some of us have 2 fulltime jobs :) :S Jan 10 11:58:38 its good, im a bit behind personal schedule but things are looking nice Jan 10 11:59:33 RST38h: hi! does your calculator implement factorial? I can't find it Jan 10 12:48:42 morning all Jan 10 12:49:27 morning Jan 10 13:05:32 * pupnik wants monitors to be 3D already Jan 10 13:05:57 like that zalman with alternate-polarity lines Jan 10 13:15:26 I'd rather have full immersive AR. Jan 10 13:32:23 talking about AR projects ? Jan 10 13:32:44 AR on handset is fun Jan 10 13:32:54 i hacked a bit on this lately Jan 10 13:33:58 AR? augmented reality? Jan 10 13:34:51 yes diminished virtuality Jan 10 13:49:00 i want a truly 2d monitor. so thin it will slice your fingers off if you try to pick it up Jan 10 13:50:33 qwerty12_N800, you know how you made me an alias, can i do the same for all my code? Jan 10 13:50:39 and then smashes as it drops :) Jan 10 13:50:58 of course it wouldnt smash, it would simply pass through the earth Jan 10 13:51:03 lcuk, hmm, to run shell commands? yes Jan 10 13:51:29 s/shell// Jan 10 13:51:29 qwerty12_N800 meant: lcuk, hmm, to run commands? yes Jan 10 13:52:05 thats actually a really nice thing, ive just made "goliqbase" and it gets me to where i need quickly - in the long run i will have to move to developing on a more stable platform Jan 10 13:52:16 where i can (i think) just reconnect to an existing session Jan 10 13:55:26 qwerty12_N800: along with xchat, can you make a base64 metapackage (depending on coreutils too) when you're back at your desktop? Jan 10 13:55:50 Stskeeps, yes, i forgot about that one :/ Jan 10 13:56:00 hehe, no need to be :/ about that Jan 10 13:56:04 i had totally forgotten about it too :) Jan 10 13:56:08 :) Jan 10 13:56:29 we're getting closer to a point where we can basically just add updates repository from nokia :P Jan 10 13:56:39 and apt-get install some stuff Jan 10 13:57:17 * qwerty12_N800 has a wide grin on his face after hearing that :) Jan 10 13:57:27 * lcuk agrees Jan 10 13:58:15 * qwerty12_N800 sets mode +verruca salt Jan 10 13:58:20 I WANT WIFI WITH WPA :p Jan 10 13:58:32 qwerty12_N800: only problem is bashisms in ICD etc Jan 10 13:58:58 bashisms? busybox uses ash Jan 10 13:59:21 satashisms them Jan 10 13:59:29 hehe Jan 10 13:59:30 it has statements like if [ x == y ] Jan 10 13:59:34 which breaks things Jan 10 14:01:02 stsisms Jan 10 14:02:17 http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2007/04/at_last_the_rhinogradentians_p.php Jan 10 14:02:28 Enjoy Jan 10 14:31:19 oh my Jan 10 14:31:38 i've done something strange ;) Jan 10 14:32:31 my gentoo cross-built chroot seems to be runnng on tablet Jan 10 14:32:54 woo Jan 10 14:33:04 EABI? Jan 10 14:33:08 eabi Jan 10 14:33:29 syncing porttage tree right now Jan 10 14:33:45 didn't make native rwbuikd yet Jan 10 14:34:22 -march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp Jan 10 14:34:24 even though you started it in 2005 :P Jan 10 14:34:37 hehe :p Jan 10 14:34:38 uh? ;) Jan 10 14:34:56 it's not gentoo fault Jan 10 14:35:00 and not mine Jan 10 14:35:16 of course its not, im ribbing you but at same time am impressed Jan 10 14:35:28 many cross-build-unfriendly packages Jan 10 14:36:09 I think he's referring to the time you'll have to wait to compile a program to run it - or if not, that's what i'm laughing at ;) Jan 10 14:36:36 first they ignore you... ;) Jan 10 14:36:55 slonopotamus, if anyone has been working for a long time on a labour of love its me :) Jan 10 14:37:02 planning to publish howto on building cross-image Jan 10 14:37:06 ...then they get their glocks and shoot you Jan 10 14:37:23 and image itself after native rebuild Jan 10 14:37:41 its hard work turning an ugly hack into a polished usable api Jan 10 14:37:51 im still not sure ive done it right, but im trying anyway :) Jan 10 14:38:25 lcuk, what are you referring as ugly hack to? Jan 10 14:38:36 my liqbase :) Jan 10 14:38:43 oh Jan 10 14:38:52 could you rename it? Jan 10 14:39:05 i always read it as liBqbase Jan 10 14:39:20 well you will get even worse: ive written libliqbase ;) Jan 10 14:39:34 omg Jan 10 14:40:26 :D yeah i know, it hurt my head as well, but i like the core name now and to rename it would be bad. anyway its only the core low level stuff, lots of things will go ontop of it with their own names Jan 10 14:43:48 so... place your bets whether it will manage to rebuuild natively frrom the first pass Jan 10 14:44:58 hehe, we'll see i guess Jan 10 14:45:38 ~seen solca Jan 10 14:45:40 solca is currently on #maemo (3d 3h 11m 15s), last said: 'Stskeeps: good as the kernel stuff for NITs is being slowly eroding in latest kernels'. Jan 10 14:48:26 slonopotamus: we're also pushing https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_firmware_image_distribution at the moment btw (the first request thing) Jan 10 14:52:42 i still don't understand Jan 10 14:52:56 initfs is _already_ on tablet Jan 10 14:53:10 use stuff from it and be happy Jan 10 14:53:13 slonopotamus: yeah, but imagine you'd want to distribute a initfs with bootmenu already included, for instance Jan 10 14:53:29 i guess it makes more sense for those of us who wants to tinker in initfs Jan 10 14:54:00 build script that takes initfs, hacks it and flashes back Jan 10 14:54:19 you'll need to use flasher anyway Jan 10 14:54:30 mm Jan 10 14:54:48 afternoon wazd Jan 10 14:55:30 ahha. you need to put your initfs on tablet somehow ;) so you'll have some script that'll call flasher Jan 10 14:56:01 well, the final idea is to be able to provide a full FIASCO image Jan 10 14:56:13 full as in initfs, rootfs, kernel Jan 10 14:56:35 i guess it's a bit contrary to the gentoo idea :) Jan 10 14:59:56 that's tooo binary for me ;) Jan 10 15:06:35 Hello everybody) Jan 10 15:06:45 hi Jan 10 15:07:03 google has changed its favicon again Jan 10 15:07:19 I think they have nothing to do really) Jan 10 15:07:40 they are desperate to stay in the headlines Jan 10 15:12:48 i saw that Jan 10 15:12:59 i though wtf when i saw it tho Jan 10 15:19:03 * Stskeeps notes h-a-m doesn't compile in Mer, at all, nor the fremantle version Jan 10 15:19:04 lovely Jan 10 15:19:30 i should prod m-vo next time he's around Jan 10 15:20:14 the new libhildonfm (whatever it's called) has kinetic scrolling but looks weird Jan 10 15:20:19 in Mer Jan 10 15:20:33 yeah, cos of our auto updates Jan 10 15:21:36 damn ISP Jan 10 15:22:00 lol Jan 10 15:22:07 lol/ Jan 10 15:22:09 hah, my isp is decent but my router not... Jan 10 15:22:15 danm xchat Jan 10 15:22:19 who do you use? Jan 10 15:22:38 i use *shudder* comcaST Jan 10 15:23:18 I'm on Be/O2 UK's broadband. My sister has a mobile phone contract with them so the broadband is cheaper :p Jan 10 15:26:35 i wantverizon fios Jan 10 15:27:00 5mb up/20mb down for $50/month Jan 10 15:27:59 qwerty12_N800: hmm. osso-xterm crashes in some termcap thing Jan 10 15:29:31 ooh, any idea of what it is trying to do? Jan 10 15:29:54 looking Jan 10 15:33:54 Stskeeps: I'm working on Mer wallpaper now, as promissed :) Jan 10 15:34:10 alright :) Jan 10 15:35:56 qwerty12_N800: i really wonder if it would just be better to upgrade libvte.. Jan 10 15:37:27 Stskeeps, it would be :), while it's nice having maemo components, I don't agree with using old libraries from maemo - especially one that is used by one app... Jan 10 15:40:14 qwerty12_N800: i really think it borders on glib/gtk changes so Jan 10 15:40:21 Huzzah! Jan 10 15:40:59 is there an open-source flasher for windows? Jan 10 15:42:07 nop Jan 10 15:42:13 maybe 0xFFFF, but not sure if its for windows Jan 10 15:42:19 a Jan 10 15:42:20 lcuk lives! Jan 10 15:42:21 nay, 0xffff crashes when ran under windows. You can flash the kernel from the tablet itself Jan 10 15:42:32 pardon? Jan 10 15:42:37 fiasco-flasher Jan 10 15:42:40 right? Jan 10 15:42:51 yep Jan 10 15:42:54 when did i die? Jan 10 15:43:10 fix: you can crash the kernel from the tablet itself Jan 10 15:43:10 * lcuk didnt get the memo Jan 10 15:43:22 I don't know, I just haven't been here since I sent back the N810 to nokia Jan 10 15:43:32 jakemaheu, But if this is for your guide, give a warning that you can't flash from android... Jan 10 15:43:44 well, kinda Jan 10 15:43:57 I never did manage to figure out how to use the N810 phone Jan 10 15:44:01 i can't remember whre i put my ubuntop Jan 10 15:44:19 it's the only other thing that run a type of linux Jan 10 15:44:20 Gadgetoid, serious or sarcasm? Jan 10 15:44:29 Sarcasm, sorry :) Jan 10 15:44:34 :) Jan 10 15:44:41 * aquatix wouldn't mind to have a maemo phone Jan 10 15:44:42 Sorry, that's me :) Jan 10 15:44:52 does anyone here have one of those dealextreme usb charging cables? Jan 10 15:45:00 i ordered one and it shipped yesterday Jan 10 15:45:15 openpty failed: 'out of pty devices' from chroot. anybody knows what to do with it? google doesn't say anything meaningful Jan 10 15:45:22 If you can put Android on the N800, can't you put Maemo on the G1? Jan 10 15:45:35 nope Jan 10 15:45:54 You're clearly not trying hard enough! Jan 10 15:46:04 :D Jan 10 15:46:36 ~time Jan 10 15:46:37 2009.01.10 15:46:36 GMT Jan 10 15:46:48 thanks, infobot! Jan 10 15:46:52 slnopotamus: create more /dev/pty* devices Jan 10 15:46:57 oh my... it builds! it builds! Jan 10 15:46:59 my cable should be here in a few days Jan 10 15:47:01 i agree with that Gadgetoid, Mer should be ported to g1, iphone, wii and anything else with a cpu and touchscreen ;) Jan 10 15:47:09 slonopotamus: although I suggest to check what is wrong instead =) Jan 10 15:47:09 what builds, what builds? Jan 10 15:47:18 slonopotamus: missing dev/pts? Jan 10 15:47:20 the wii has a touchscreen? Jan 10 15:47:23 slonopotamus, echo 666 > /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max :p i think Jan 10 15:47:32 ok, anything that doesnt use a mouse ;) Jan 10 15:47:36 lcuk: Maybe it should be advanced to the point where it can replace official tablet firmware first? =) Jan 10 15:47:36 lol Jan 10 15:47:41 not so fast ;) Jan 10 15:47:41 laptops? Jan 10 15:47:43 lol Jan 10 15:47:44 I love my iPhone, but it's not linuxey enough Jan 10 15:47:57 laptops don't use mice Jan 10 15:47:58 jakemaheu, gentoo on n800 Jan 10 15:47:58 /ignore Gadgetoid Jan 10 15:48:15 jakemaheu, touchscreen laptops even dont use touchscreen properly :) Jan 10 15:48:16 Whoops, bad idea to let on that I own a satanPhone Jan 10 15:48:26 i use a touchscreen toughbook Jan 10 15:48:30 hmm Jan 10 15:48:36 dev/pts is empty Jan 10 15:48:42 * qwerty12_N800 adds Gadgetoid to Maemo's hit list :p Jan 10 15:48:44 Gadgetoid: In what pose do you usually love your iPhone? =) Jan 10 15:48:44 dont you find it annoying to have to aim for tiny little scrollbars and stuff? Jan 10 15:48:46 it actually works pretty well, but there isn't any scrolling Jan 10 15:49:00 moving is a pain, as it only recognizes clicks Jan 10 15:49:02 hmm Jan 10 15:49:04 jakemaheu, the ui is mouse oriented Jan 10 15:49:12 yeah Jan 10 15:49:17 n800 has only /dev/pts/0 and /dev/pts/1 Jan 10 15:49:18 it' actually pretty good Jan 10 15:49:23 liqbase runs nicely on my big tablet :) Jan 10 15:49:26 yay Jan 10 15:49:27 RST38h: the Phone is very secretive about its exploits in the bedroom, I couldn't possibly tell! Jan 10 15:49:28 windows? Jan 10 15:49:34 gtfo Jan 10 15:49:38 linux :) Jan 10 15:49:40 lol Jan 10 15:49:46 "Tablet Windows" is an oxymoron Jan 10 15:49:54 don't worry, i use an ubuntop Jan 10 15:50:18 Unless you're referring to the neccesity of headache tablets to the task of enduring windows Jan 10 15:50:44 lol i haven't touched my tablet in a week Jan 10 15:50:49 i just got it back Jan 10 15:51:01 repair? Jan 10 15:51:06 nope, mom Jan 10 15:51:11 heh Jan 10 15:51:16 * aquatix loves windows Jan 10 15:51:19 confiscated your beloved tablet? Jan 10 15:51:22 they provide a nice view generally Jan 10 15:51:27 and fresh air when needed Jan 10 15:51:31 aquatix: same question as for gadgetoid Jan 10 15:51:32 yup Jan 10 15:51:43 RST38h: hm? Jan 10 15:51:50 /ignore * Jan 10 15:52:15 hey qwerty! Jan 10 15:52:22 RST38h: if people start confiscating my stuff, persons will get hurt :) Jan 10 15:52:32 jakemaheu, hi :P :) Jan 10 15:52:41 i hate typing on my dad's netbook (it's what i'm on now) Jan 10 15:52:43 Gadgetoid, since you remember me and my stuff, get voting for it :P http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ Jan 10 15:52:52 has anyone tried the new script for nitdroid? Jan 10 15:52:57 i hadnt released anything last time you were here i dont think Jan 10 15:53:07 http://www.jakemaheu.com/nitdroid_complete.sh Jan 10 15:53:10 lcuk: You're an oblong genius with lasers! Jan 10 15:53:18 it's a public beta Jan 10 15:53:31 I wish I had an N800 right now Jan 10 15:53:39 why Jan 10 15:53:59 i mounted the last laser i owned directly onto that cat, it kept me entertained for hours Jan 10 15:54:24 i had to modify the shark mount to get it to work correctly Jan 10 15:54:29 Stskeeps, Fixing xchat package. This should be the last version that I send or i'll add you to my own hit list :P Jan 10 15:54:32 Haha! Jan 10 15:54:35 lol infinite recursion-- cat edition Jan 10 15:54:53 The rate the Pandora is going, the N800 temptation just keeps on rising Jan 10 15:55:15 shark + cat +frickin laser beams Jan 10 15:55:29 lcuk: now there's an idea Jan 10 15:55:43 it was difficult getting the cat used to wearing a mask and snorkel Jan 10 15:55:52 *snort* Jan 10 15:56:19 i wish app manager wouldn't create an extras entry in my menu every effing time i try to install something Jan 10 15:56:31 i put in custom categories for a reason Jan 10 15:56:47 hint :: rename extras instead of removing it Jan 10 15:57:03 what do you mean? Jan 10 15:57:05 new stuff goes into the renamed entry instead of recreating it Jan 10 15:57:06 But not every app asks you where the menu entry wants to go and the entry has to go somewhere ;) Jan 10 15:57:11 yeah Jan 10 15:57:21 that is what really bugs me Jan 10 15:57:31 mine is called "extras + games" Jan 10 15:57:48 i've got: internet, communication, utilities, settings, media, games Jan 10 15:57:51 Blame it on the package maintainer, I always make sure that any packages I put out ask the user where the desktop file wants to go Jan 10 15:57:57 and i don't have to scroll Jan 10 15:58:10 qwerty fuck you and your packaging :P Jan 10 15:58:13 then it adds extras and i do Jan 10 15:58:27 i've got liqbase in media Jan 10 15:58:28 jakemaheu: you nuked the `my selection' one? Jan 10 15:58:33 yeah Jan 10 15:58:37 good idea Jan 10 15:58:40 that was stupid Jan 10 15:58:43 ive got ideas about "My selection" Jan 10 15:58:45 to have it Jan 10 15:59:13 aaargh! it works! it builds! Jan 10 15:59:21 yay Jan 10 15:59:24 quick, kill it Jan 10 15:59:31 it better not create an extras entry Jan 10 15:59:33 * Stskeeps pushes a congratulatory vodka bottle over to slonopotamus Jan 10 15:59:33 jakemaheu, i was playing with the menus http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=253955 Jan 10 15:59:44 slonopotamus, SHIP IT! Jan 10 15:59:46 oh boy Jan 10 15:59:51 my n8x0-gentoo has just built its first package! it works! damn, that's better than sex Jan 10 15:59:55 lcuk: another great idea ;) Jan 10 16:00:18 shame i got told off for recreating the desktop :$ Jan 10 16:00:27 lcuk: :) Jan 10 16:00:29 Why would you put gentoo on an n8x0, when you can use ZipSlack? Jan 10 16:00:47 wtf is zipslack? Jan 10 16:00:50 lcuk: i don't like the icons on the `desktop', but the menu items on the left sound sensible Jan 10 16:00:51 Gadgetoid: not sure that's out for eabi Jan 10 16:01:01 oh wait Jan 10 16:01:05 are those the menu's? Jan 10 16:01:20 lcuk: how exactly does that work? :) Jan 10 16:01:25 aquatix, i dont either, but as a menu it might work, the "desktop" area should be for whatever widgets the user wants Jan 10 16:01:43 slonopotam: Google is your friend :) Jan 10 16:01:53 lcuk, hater :P Jan 10 16:02:02 the thing is that even if it asks you where to put it, it still creates the empty category Jan 10 16:02:08 hmm Jan 10 16:02:28 i can use your zipslack on the go Jan 10 16:02:40 aquatix, you have seen the phyiscs view :: very dynamic resizing of elements. clicking a menu header dynamically expands the items in that group for easy finger use whilst simply reducing the others - all still accessible but the others are also still available Jan 10 16:02:41 lcuk: interesting Jan 10 16:02:46 jakemaheu, yes, you are right, the desktop file has to be installed first before the option to choose can be ran Jan 10 16:03:04 lcuk: yep Jan 10 16:03:11 it makes me rage that if i put in a bug it'll say "fixd in fremantle" Jan 10 16:03:16 but it won't Jan 10 16:03:36 i heard that samba will be gone in fremantle Jan 10 16:03:42 they might shock you and say "fixed in harmattan" Jan 10 16:03:52 jakemaheu, read that as 'won't be fixed for your device' Jan 10 16:03:56 that would suck Jan 10 16:04:16 i kinda miss the tiny menus Jan 10 16:04:17 slonopotamus, who says fremantle wont run on the device? Jan 10 16:04:27 they only said they are concentrating on the next one Jan 10 16:04:30 i sold my friend my 770 Jan 10 16:04:45 ZipSlack is revolutionary, only 100 MB and can run from your existing file system! Jan 10 16:04:49 he set a lock code and forgot it over break-- any way to fix it? Jan 10 16:05:08 Gadgetoid, you're several years late Jan 10 16:05:29 it has no ssh or cloned os Jan 10 16:05:32 Gadgetoid, i have 8gb sd card Jan 10 16:05:48 Nooo! 100 mb is enough for anybody! Jan 10 16:06:02 jakemaheu, ah, for N800, I made an custom initfs image that displayed the lock code as it was booting up. No idea how it would work for 770... Jan 10 16:06:12 slonopotamus: i'm even thinking about getting that 16GB microsd from sandisk Jan 10 16:06:27 how the hell did people used to ship entire operating systems on a single floppy disk? Jan 10 16:06:36 any ideas? Jan 10 16:06:52 lcuk: not including graphics and other newfangled stuff? Jan 10 16:06:57 lcuk: It was easy when they didn't have to idiot-proof them! Jan 10 16:07:09 i heard that i can flash it and that'll remove the locked setting, but not the code Jan 10 16:07:16 jakemaheu, "it'll say "fixed in fremantle" but it won't" - what do you mean by that? Jan 10 16:07:17 and only supporting a limited set of hardware Jan 10 16:07:21 aquatix, granted, media is a big space filler Jan 10 16:07:24 lcuk, well... even if it will, it will be slow Jan 10 16:07:37 slonopotamus, why slow? Jan 10 16:07:54 lcuk: you're welcome to write a modern floppy disk based OS, but you'll have to bundle it with a USB floppy drive :) Jan 10 16:08:04 lcuk, because nokia will target at faster cpu Jan 10 16:08:18 Gadgetoid, i meant capacity - you lot are all talking about 100mb oses and stuff Jan 10 16:08:18 can I sue an ISP for it's sexual orientation? Jan 10 16:08:32 ??? what does the target cpu have to do with anything? Jan 10 16:08:32 lcuk, and because they can make any more money from n8x0 users ;) Jan 10 16:08:40 andre__: they have a habit of saying things are fixed when they aren't Jan 10 16:08:47 or not able to be reproduced Jan 10 16:08:56 lcuk: I'm just waiting for someone to call me out on the absurdities of evangelizing ZipSlack, but it's just too obscure Jan 10 16:09:17 lcuk, diablo runs on n770. does it have good performance? Jan 10 16:09:29 jakemaheu, errr.... well, at least for core issues you can test yourself on fremantle - the pre alpha sdk is available Jan 10 16:09:32 qwerty12: can you send it to me@ jake@jakemaheu.com? Jan 10 16:09:42 Stskeeps: pong?) Jan 10 16:09:44 slonopotamus, i dunno Jan 10 16:09:49 wazd: .. ping? Jan 10 16:09:50 Gadgetoid: it's slackware, why would i want that on any of my devices? Jan 10 16:09:54 Gadgetoid: there, done ;) Jan 10 16:10:00 i love having my name as y website Jan 10 16:10:06 s/y/my Jan 10 16:10:15 Stskeeps: Does Mer have any logo or something?) Jan 10 16:10:18 jakemaheu, but for higher level stuff you're right that you currently cannot reproduce if it's really fixed. but i still don't get the criticism - you don't trust if someone says "fixed in fremantle", or what is your major concern? Jan 10 16:10:19 jakemaheu, let me see if I can find it. I kinda took it down when I pointed to my collection of initfs binaries that I'd compiled to a bug report... Jan 10 16:10:25 Mr Google.com does as well Jan 10 16:10:38 wazd: not yet :) Jan 10 16:11:19 jakemaheu, also, it probably won't flash on an 770. I don't have time to do the same for an 770 initfs... Jan 10 16:11:31 hmm. is there any way I can dump my N810's root filesystem to my laptop prior to flashing it? It's refusing to boot (because / is full, i'm pretty sure) but I'd like to save my maemo-mapper db, which is the file filling up / ... :) Jan 10 16:11:31 my main thing is tat they're trying to cut off all support for os2008/diablo Jan 10 16:11:37 aaargh! three packages built! Jan 10 16:12:00 and that "fixed in fremantle" doesn't help if it won't run Jan 10 16:12:10 Stskeeps: ok Jan 10 16:12:11 unusab;le fixes don't count Jan 10 16:12:16 Meizirkki: if you get bored.. try the Xomap binary from deblet Jan 10 16:12:19 and replace Xorg with that Jan 10 16:12:27 oh, btw Jan 10 16:12:44 jakemaheu, of course they count. that's how software development works in general. Jan 10 16:12:50 Meizirkki: and tell me how it performs Jan 10 16:13:28 jakemaheu, if you radically change the codebase for the next version it's huge costs to provide backports for Diablo Jan 10 16:13:30 but fremantle is supposed to run on the n900 or whatever, and not on the device that the bugs concern Jan 10 16:13:41 Stskeeks, you wanted to benchmark my almost-fully-optimized gentoo Jan 10 16:13:47 like the camera Jan 10 16:14:10 "not reproduceable" is bs Jan 10 16:14:15 jakemaheu, but you do read what has been written here already? ;-) Jan 10 16:14:25 where? Jan 10 16:14:29 ItT? Jan 10 16:14:32 10min ago Jan 10 16:14:33 HERE. Jan 10 16:14:38 lol Jan 10 16:14:40 andre__, by the same tune, if you can dive in and implement a minor fix in the existing codebase whilst also looking forwards towards a new version it makes everyone happy - ive been supporting my apps written since 2000 whether or not i have replaced them Jan 10 16:14:54 wazd: themes for Mer are ocean, "more", community, at least Jan 10 16:14:59 "slonopotamus, who says fremantle wont run on the device? they only said they are concentrating on the next one" Jan 10 16:15:08 obviously different situations occur Jan 10 16:15:12 yeah Jan 10 16:15:24 lcuk, i'm totally with you. it's definitely what a customer expects. Jan 10 16:15:33 :) Jan 10 16:15:48 let's push Mer. Jan 10 16:15:49 andre__, that means that it will have reasonable speed of omap3 cpu and slow on older ones Jan 10 16:16:03 The rotation bug is bollocks - that one says straight up that nokia are willing to do fuck all Jan 10 16:16:07 to use an stsism, *nod* Jan 10 16:16:15 Mer is more useful than trying to change Nokia's thinking about pushing patches into "older" versions :-/ Jan 10 16:16:37 "A community edition" shouldn't be nokia's next shitty excuse Jan 10 16:16:40 slonopotamus: i'm not entirely agreeing with that point though.. it will have shit speed if we use all the clutter stuff, which we don't for 95% of fremantle Jan 10 16:16:41 slonopotamus, so? Jan 10 16:16:42 sorry, wifi cut out Jan 10 16:17:11 i had a 770 and then they cut me off Jan 10 16:17:29 i have an n800 and they are going to cut us and the n810 owners off next Jan 10 16:17:31 qwerty12, hehe :) yeah, got to take care that Mer doesn't become the next "end of discussion" argument by nokia Jan 10 16:17:54 jakemaheu_netboo: on the other hand, Mer runs (sortof) on 770 :P Jan 10 16:17:59 i really cant wait for new device, i get decent speed on n8x0 and will have warp speed on omap3. it runs really well currently on x86 at 800mhz Jan 10 16:18:01 andre__, you're brilliant :) Jan 10 16:18:02 jakemaheu_netboo, how many years of updates did you expect when buying? Jan 10 16:18:05 and i can totally understand why they scrapped the 770 for HE's Jan 10 16:18:18 there can still be hacker editions like the 770, but how far does that get us if the updates are for different hardware Jan 10 16:18:27 the 770 hw was slow Jan 10 16:18:34 faster graphics Jan 10 16:18:52 jakemaheu_netboo: very little is hw specific.. Jan 10 16:18:55 could do similar fullscreen updates as liqbase i believe without massive hacking Jan 10 16:19:00 yeah Jan 10 16:19:10 expt for kernel Jan 10 16:19:13 (part of the reason why i believe liqbase will run well on 770) Jan 10 16:19:23 jakemaheu_netboo: and that part they're solving with open source wifi Jan 10 16:19:54 except for the processor Jan 10 16:20:04 remember, omap 2xxx vs 3xxx Jan 10 16:20:09 dont remember the umbers Jan 10 16:20:17 s/umbers/numbers/ Jan 10 16:20:17 jakemaheu_netboo meant: dont remember the numbers Jan 10 16:20:33 jakemaheu_netboo, you forget that the amounts of ram too on the 770 was crap Jan 10 16:20:33 i'm inclined to think nokia wouldn't be completely against building software towards older CPUs. or allowing some members to do it. Jan 10 16:20:51 Stskeeps, I don't think nokia even build software for specific cpus... Jan 10 16:20:57 "http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=256146&postcount=8" Jan 10 16:21:02 er, without quotes Jan 10 16:21:08 "suck my cock", (from LostNokiaGirl) Jan 10 16:21:09 hmm :P Jan 10 16:21:24 Stskeeps: ok, can i ask what xomap is doing that xorg isn't? Jan 10 16:21:27 Stskeeps, haha Jan 10 16:21:31 im inclined to think if nokia could get a REAL performance boost from somewhere that makes older cpus work it could trickle through the entire product line from cheap low powered phones through to the high end super ones :) Jan 10 16:21:41 Stskeeps, mind if I point that out? :P Jan 10 16:21:46 qwerty12: go ahea Jan 10 16:21:46 d Jan 10 16:21:52 Stskeeps, lucky one. I never get such offers :-P Jan 10 16:22:15 Meizirkki: it is actually accelerated Jan 10 16:22:26 lol stskeeps Jan 10 16:22:29 Stskeeps, done :P Jan 10 16:22:30 thats funny Jan 10 16:23:19 Meizirkki: basically, fb_update_mode manual is needed to make it work sanely :P Jan 10 16:23:35 ok Jan 10 16:23:57 there we go Jan 10 16:26:07 Stskeeps, wish me luck: http://trac.tspre.org:8000/xchat_jaunty-armel-1231604402.log :) Jan 10 16:26:24 is there any good gui text editor for diablo? Jan 10 16:26:29 leafpad Jan 10 16:26:31 like notepad++ Jan 10 16:26:38 i need it for scripting Jan 10 16:26:48 i like the syntax highlighting Jan 10 16:27:01 you could call leafpad the linux equivalent of notepad (not ++) Jan 10 16:27:24 lol Jan 10 16:27:33 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pygtkeditor/ Jan 10 16:27:34 or i could call the regular text editor that Jan 10 16:27:40 except it's in .html Jan 10 16:27:44 which is werid Jan 10 16:27:45 nah, the built in one SUCKS Jan 10 16:28:04 maybe google docs prted Jan 10 16:28:07 I messed things up due to it not saving properly when I was a n00b and used it to edit a system file >.< Jan 10 16:28:15 ouch Jan 10 16:30:37 qwerty12: looks like success Jan 10 16:30:51 yep :), thanks Jan 10 16:30:54 what about quicknote? Jan 10 16:31:36 ooh, i see a package i want to get Jan 10 16:32:15 "Subcategories Testing - DO NOT INSTALL" "Test/Useless package to test subcategories support." Jan 10 16:32:31 I put that there, blame X-Fade :P Jan 10 16:32:39 lol Jan 10 16:32:56 theres a lot of good stuff in extras-devel Jan 10 16:33:01 like nspeed Jan 10 16:33:07 awesome 3d racing game Jan 10 16:33:09 qwerty, why doesn't it surprise me that you are at the centre of every packaging faux pas ;) Jan 10 16:33:28 lcuk, I was asked to do that one ;) Jan 10 16:33:40 yeah, you were kinda asked to do this one as well Jan 10 16:34:00 besides, silence. or i'll upload liqbase-ng ;P Jan 10 16:34:05 wormux, 53mb Jan 10 16:34:12 do it Jan 10 16:34:19 data files install to memory card Jan 10 16:34:21 qwerty12 : the secret of my success : "i fsck up packaging" Jan 10 16:34:22 iirc Jan 10 16:34:39 -ng? Jan 10 16:34:45 xkcdha Jan 10 16:34:52 lcuk, northerners g*something* Jan 10 16:34:53 totally getting it Jan 10 16:34:56 :D Jan 10 16:35:02 :P Jan 10 16:35:04 northern gold? Jan 10 16:35:10 NO Jan 10 16:35:14 :P Jan 10 16:35:14 my high school is port huron northern Jan 10 16:35:14 Sts: Mer is "Sea", not Ocean I suppose :) Jan 10 16:35:21 northern grit :) Jan 10 16:35:28 and our colors are gold and blue Jan 10 16:35:34 xournal? Jan 10 16:35:54 Think the diablo extras-devel version is a little messed up... Jan 10 16:36:13 wazd: good question :P Jan 10 16:37:01 lcuk: put liqbase-ng in a seekrit repo, like seekrit.liqbase.net Jan 10 16:37:12 Stskeeps: well, in French it's sea and we have ['more] as "sea" :) Jan 10 16:37:37 jakemaheunetbook, ;) how do you know its *not* Jan 10 16:37:39 the sea is massively expansive and open Jan 10 16:37:44 *gasp Jan 10 16:37:54 i'm going to add that repo now Jan 10 16:38:03 * qwerty12 grins at #10 Jan 10 16:38:06 wazd: in any case, water with stuff in it Jan 10 16:38:25 Stskeeps: already making some deepsea stuff) Jan 10 16:38:29 sounds liek a typical glass of tapwater to me Jan 10 16:38:43 qwerty12, whats #10? Jan 10 16:38:54 lcuk, post ten on the suck my cock thread :P Jan 10 16:39:20 were the first nine apologizing for creaming yourself at the thought? Jan 10 16:39:34 wanker :P Jan 10 16:40:01 Big success!!: virtual keyboard and hw keys finally work in Ubuntu jaunty! Jan 10 16:40:05 woo Jan 10 16:40:10 what did you do to make it work, b-man? Jan 10 16:40:43 b-man, im making a note here Jan 10 16:40:55 i had to add a keymap file to /etc for upstart to work properly Jan 10 16:41:48 i'll post some screenshots and information to the ubuntu n800/n810 thread :D Jan 10 16:41:56 lcuk: i can make liqbase crash Jan 10 16:42:19 I can make liqbase show messages about northerners Jan 10 16:42:26 (when installing anyway...) Jan 10 16:42:26 oh my Jan 10 16:42:33 wow! tell me how and ill make sure i can get it to crash for everyone Jan 10 16:42:33 nice Jan 10 16:42:37 alright Jan 10 16:42:51 or i might say "fixed in fremantle" :P Jan 10 16:42:55 open liqbase and go to do some drawing Jan 10 16:43:01 lcuk: hold on, i'll post some instructions. ;) Jan 10 16:43:25 then select "stamp" and draw one from one corner to the opposite Jan 10 16:43:33 right Jan 10 16:43:43 then draw another from the same corner to the other Jan 10 16:43:47 yeah Jan 10 16:43:49 it will freeze Jan 10 16:43:52 no it wont Jan 10 16:43:54 its calculating Jan 10 16:44:02 ah Jan 10 16:44:06 since its recursive, it will complete sometime in 2693 Jan 10 16:44:12 yeah Jan 10 16:44:20 so it might as well just be frozen Jan 10 16:44:20 i thought you said crash :) Jan 10 16:44:27 it sometimes does for me Jan 10 16:44:38 maybe i just ush to many buttons Jan 10 16:44:43 in a way that you can repeat? Jan 10 16:44:43 s/ush/push/ Jan 10 16:44:43 jakemaheunetbook meant: maybe i just push to many buttons Jan 10 16:44:48 not really Jan 10 16:44:56 but it's frozen right now Jan 10 16:45:04 no jake, i have removed every single reproducable crashable error found Jan 10 16:45:14 nice Jan 10 16:45:22 thats different - ill fix that in a different way Jan 10 16:45:30 ah Jan 10 16:45:36 Stop! It's hammer time Jan 10 16:45:44 thats only because at the moment its self recursive by default Jan 10 16:45:59 the next version will generally be recursive with other sketches Jan 10 16:46:12 ah Jan 10 16:46:24 ie it will happen much less Jan 10 16:46:28 and if you svae it, then fgo to the grafitti wall, it kills the fps Jan 10 16:46:43 yeah cos its drawing several hundred sketches per frame Jan 10 16:46:48 Here's how i got it working; take the xmodmap file from deblet, gzip -f xmodmap it, rename it to boottime.kmap.gz, and place it into your /etc directory. Jan 10 16:47:00 there we go, fixed Jan 10 16:47:02 its orders of magnitude more complex Jan 10 16:47:26 which is worse, app freezing or crashing? Jan 10 16:47:26 i could bring down the highest powered cpu ever with that algo but it still wouldnt have technically crashed Jan 10 16:47:31 ah Jan 10 16:47:41 doesn't lifeguard do that or something? Jan 10 16:47:41 ill fix it anyway Jan 10 16:47:55 stop recursing if its been running a single sketch for longer than a second or something Jan 10 16:48:15 no because its not started under lifeguard control Jan 10 16:48:23 my like 7yo cousin got a quad core intel, 3gb of ram, 640gb hd for x-mas Jan 10 16:48:28 new version here handles itself slightly differently itself Jan 10 16:48:40 b-man: kinda odd you need a kmap, though Jan 10 16:48:44 there *is* a hardware lock somewhere which is not reproducable and *does* effectively crash the machine Jan 10 16:48:56 yah, but it works :) Jan 10 16:48:59 she's using it for email and flash games in firefo Jan 10 16:49:04 s/firefo/firefox Jan 10 16:49:05 lol jake, cbeebies website will load really fast for him Jan 10 16:49:15 her* Jan 10 16:49:50 oh yeah, doing the recursive thing then pressing home and going to desktop will lock the touchscreen Jan 10 16:50:04 recursion, if a sketch has called itself over 100 times per sketch is that a reasonable limit? Jan 10 16:50:40 yeah, stamp tool busyness simulates the effect, but i mean a generic deep x11/xv crash that i cannot capture or trap Jan 10 16:50:53 i also cannot ever reproduce Jan 10 16:50:58 Stskeeps, I'll do the base64 meta package now Jan 10 16:50:58 even with automated code Jan 10 16:51:12 yeah Jan 10 16:51:58 that frustrates me more than the stamp tool mainly due to its unpredictability Jan 10 16:52:19 qwerty12: thanks! Jan 10 16:52:20 yeah Jan 10 16:52:20 at least you know if you do super recursion you can make it lockup - its something i can technically handle Jan 10 16:52:29 yay! Jan 10 16:53:07 if you do make it able to push drawings and pics to the cloud, i wannamake it go to my website Jan 10 16:53:18 s/wannamake/wanna make/ Jan 10 16:53:18 jakemaheunetbook meant: if you do make it able to push drawings and pics to the cloud, i wanna make it go to my website Jan 10 16:53:59 yeah, jakemaheu.com/liqbase Jan 10 16:54:26 * b-man is uploading the first screenshot to imagebin :D Jan 10 16:54:33 http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php Jan 10 16:54:39 how are the sketches named? Jan 10 16:55:15 nice, svg Jan 10 16:55:39 the sketches arent svg, i just wrote a converter Jan 10 16:55:44 yeah Jan 10 16:55:50 First offical screenshot of ubuntu jaunty on an N800: http://imagebin.ca/view/NB8u8zH.html Jan 10 16:56:13 ooh Jan 10 16:56:17 b-man, congrats :) Jan 10 16:56:20 :D Jan 10 16:56:26 that's amazing + pretty Jan 10 16:56:32 thanks Jan 10 16:56:40 wait, isn't jaunty an old one? Jan 10 16:56:46 no Jan 10 16:56:49 oh Jan 10 16:56:54 it's verry new Jan 10 16:57:02 jaunty will be released april 2009 Jan 10 16:57:08 oh okay Jan 10 16:57:11 i googled it Jan 10 16:58:11 b-man: woo Jan 10 16:58:13 i'll update my ubuntu thread to provide the keyboard fix :) Jan 10 16:58:21 Stskeeps: it looks like touchscreen is dead now, i'm not sure if i am running xomap, but i did apt-get remove xserver-xorg before installing deblets xomap Jan 10 16:59:14 Meizirkki: mm, there's a special curse needed for the Xomap parameters.. Jan 10 16:59:15 sec Jan 10 16:59:49 limiting recursion depth looks awful Jan 10 17:00:05 how awful? Jan 10 17:00:16 portal did a GOOD job of it Jan 10 17:00:21 the hall of mirrors effect stops X levels in Jan 10 17:00:38 it set it so that you could tell it to only recurse a max of like 8 portals Jan 10 17:00:40 if X > 5 there is a user definable way to make it practically infinite Jan 10 17:01:03 portal only have 1 mirror to cater for Jan 10 17:01:18 mirror? Jan 10 17:01:29 this is like multiplayer portal - each stamp is an orange portal Jan 10 17:01:31 Meizirkki: try from console: Xomap -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr -nolisten tcp & Jan 10 17:01:34 export DISPLAY=:0 Jan 10 17:01:36 start-hildon Jan 10 17:01:40 ok Jan 10 17:01:51 ah Jan 10 17:01:57 Stskeeps, does http://pastebin.com/d388fa336 look ok to you? Jan 10 17:02:07 *drools* multiplayer portal Jan 10 17:02:14 its part of the reason why multiplayer portal isnt with us yet ;) Jan 10 17:02:29 though that would be dreamy Jan 10 17:02:32 it would be interesting Jan 10 17:02:33 qwerty12: yeah Jan 10 17:02:39 cool Jan 10 17:02:45 did you play portal in the hl2 maps? Jan 10 17:02:52 not yet Jan 10 17:02:52 or rather add portal gun to hl2 maps Jan 10 17:02:58 have you tried garry's mod? Jan 10 17:03:09 garry's mod is jokes :D Jan 10 17:03:13 no, but i know enough about it all Jan 10 17:03:23 i got it a couple days ago Jan 10 17:03:30 It was fun swinging people into the air :p Jan 10 17:03:30 qwerty12: hmm? Jan 10 17:03:35 it's fun :D Jan 10 17:03:35 yeah Jan 10 17:03:39 have you made alex fsck everything yet Jan 10 17:03:45 yes Jan 10 17:03:51 even the portal gun Jan 10 17:03:53 seems like the only real use for it Jan 10 17:03:56 and companion cube Jan 10 17:04:10 lcuk, nah, you have gta + hot coffee for that sort of thing Jan 10 17:04:31 lcuk do you do hl2: deathmatch? Jan 10 17:04:45 no :) Jan 10 17:04:53 ah Jan 10 17:05:00 it's fun :D Jan 10 17:05:14 it reminds me of CS too much so i tend to stay away Jan 10 17:05:25 heh Jan 10 17:05:33 you just have to find a good server Jan 10 17:05:45 say, Ryandor's Deathmatch Server Jan 10 17:05:50 portal speed trials are good to play with Jan 10 17:05:56 i <3 everyone there Jan 10 17:06:28 it's a nice server and it's like a tight-knit group Jan 10 17:06:35 but if you go there everyone's really nice Jan 10 17:06:46 Do you all cry when you kill one another? Jan 10 17:06:55 nah Jan 10 17:06:58 im taking this recursion limit out, it makes stamps look bob, but i might simply ensure new stamps only occupy 1/4 of the screen if self recursive Jan 10 17:06:58 *sniffle* Jan 10 17:07:18 :P Jan 10 17:07:36 no, they dont kill each other Jan 10 17:07:47 we talk a lot Jan 10 17:07:48 they stand there at door ways going "after you" "no, after you" Jan 10 17:07:52 yeah Jan 10 17:08:02 people are polite Jan 10 17:08:09 If this was team capture the flag, no you take the flag, no you... Jan 10 17:08:16 lol Jan 10 17:08:19 heh yeah qwerty Jan 10 17:08:29 D;] Jan 10 17:08:31 reminds me of how tracy drives in GTA. she stops at the traffic lights Jan 10 17:08:39 ha :P Jan 10 17:08:50 Does she run over passengers? :) Jan 10 17:09:03 no, and she apologises for borrowing someones car Jan 10 17:09:12 mhmmm Jan 10 17:09:13 "borrowing" Jan 10 17:09:20 * qwerty12 thinks the best vehicle to do that in is the combine harvester bar none Jan 10 17:09:33 i havent played the 3d ones Jan 10 17:09:50 at the time i tried my graphics card couldnt handle it :) Jan 10 17:09:55 the 2d ones are jokes when you line up the cars to blow them up Jan 10 17:10:12 hehehe Jan 10 17:10:13 My computer won't handle GTA IV. It only plays san andreas if I overclock the igp :) Jan 10 17:10:32 ouch Jan 10 17:10:36 what's igp? Jan 10 17:10:40 they should have left the real original 2d interface in, cos it was the awesome Jan 10 17:11:03 integrated graphics processor - another way of saying that the graphics suck on my computer :) Jan 10 17:11:10 lcuk: what's your steam id? Jan 10 17:11:16 is it lcuk? Jan 10 17:11:30 no, i joined steam before maemo, its liquidcoooled Jan 10 17:11:33 (lc) Jan 10 17:11:44 qwerty12: meh, i use a crappy radeon x1300 pro Jan 10 17:11:55 i just upgraded from one of those Jan 10 17:12:01 to a 1500 or something Jan 10 17:12:02 Hello Jan 10 17:12:08 'ello gnuton Jan 10 17:12:14 jakemaheunetbook, probably better than my radeon xpress 200 :) Jan 10 17:12:17 hi gnuton Jan 10 17:12:18 hei lcuk :D Jan 10 17:12:21 ouch Jan 10 17:12:23 ue qwerty12! :D Jan 10 17:12:41 I''m just come back from the IKEA store.. Jan 10 17:12:52 I'm very hungry!! Jan 10 17:12:56 right, must dash, jakemaheunetbook the recursion is staying, if users want to make the universe divide by 0 they are free to :) they can wait for it to finish rendering Jan 10 17:13:09 ack Jan 10 17:13:10 gnuton, ikea has food Jan 10 17:13:20 i <333333 ikea! Jan 10 17:13:30 their food is amazing Jan 10 17:13:31 lcuk: I know but it's closed now! :( Jan 10 17:13:34 i wanna go now Jan 10 17:13:37 Stskeeps: xomap is annoying it starts now automatically and telnet does not work Jan 10 17:13:56 k Jan 10 17:13:56 my missus likes ikea as well, when we go i have only one rule, if she can carry it she can have it - ive never seen a woman carry as much stuff before in my life Jan 10 17:14:20 I m going to cook something of good.... Jan 10 17:14:27 Meizirkki, k Jan 10 17:14:28 ramen or bacon Jan 10 17:14:35 which i just had some of\ Jan 10 17:14:51 speaking of which, i found the best thing ever yesterday Jan 10 17:15:05 mmmmmm my xchat didnt highlight when you said bacon Jan 10 17:15:19 lol Jan 10 17:15:22 try again Jan 10 17:15:25 lcuk: probably it doesn't like the bacon! :P Jan 10 17:15:31 perfect, works now Jan 10 17:15:37 :D Jan 10 17:15:40 i dunno whow many bacon convos ive missed Jan 10 17:15:52 wonder when that happened Jan 10 17:16:26 StsN800, will you ever set it so I can just dput. Easiest method evar Jan 10 17:16:55 s/set it/set it up/ :) Jan 10 17:17:50 FOUNT IT! http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=671696 Jan 10 17:17:58 s/FOUNT/found Jan 10 17:19:13 it looks so good Jan 10 17:19:44 jakemaheunetbook, thats just an adaption of the original: http://lloydandlauren.com/the-bacon-mat-gallery/ Jan 10 17:20:00 yeah, but still looks delicious Jan 10 17:20:07 sorry http://www.instructables.com/id/Bacon-Placemats/ Jan 10 17:20:12 qwerty12, dput runs anything on server? Jan 10 17:20:22 http://www.the-feedbag.com/elsewhere/pork-on-pork-in-pork-the-bacon-explosion Jan 10 17:20:32 or just uploads? Jan 10 17:20:48 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bacon/ <<< for all your bacony fun ;) anyway im really gone now, gonna make tea, might have pork Jan 10 17:20:48 lol, yum Jan 10 17:21:06 StsN800, I think it must do, because the maemo autobuilder picks up on it. Or i'm not sure if it's monitoring folders... Jan 10 17:21:09 yay, bye lcuk! Jan 10 17:21:16 StsN800, http://trac.tspre.org:8000/base64_jaunty-i386-1231607764.log - builds in sbox fine... Jan 10 17:22:26 ta Jan 10 17:23:12 qwerty12, hmmm. Jan 10 17:23:23 ah, I know what it is. I'll reupload. Jan 10 17:23:26 k Jan 10 17:23:34 how's the autobuilder working qwerty12 ? Jan 10 17:24:28 hello ;) Jan 10 17:24:58 i've a problem with the rom space on my device Jan 10 17:25:07 pupnik_, the maemo one? The maemo one is basically the Diablo sdk with nothing installed so you have to specify in your debian/control what you want installed so your program can compile. After that, it works in pretty much the same way compiling a package in scratchbox works. Jan 10 17:25:27 Here's what I have for now: http://i018.radikal.ru/0901/b2/cdd9b8ac9926.jpg Jan 10 17:25:32 pupnik_, you should upload your wicked game ports :) Jan 10 17:25:49 wazd, pretty :) Jan 10 17:25:58 i think ive installed to many apps. i there a possibility to move them to a external memorycard? Jan 10 17:26:11 they need work to not suck, and i'm practically mentally retarded Jan 10 17:26:17 wazd, looks good! Jan 10 17:26:20 but i'll try to get going on one or two Jan 10 17:27:13 I thought if pearl can be Mer's logo Jan 10 17:28:23 wazd, wallpaper is nice and soft on the tablet screen at least Jan 10 17:28:50 Well, that's the way wallpaper used to be ") Jan 10 17:29:30 what's the filename for the startup image in maemo? Jan 10 17:29:39 i wanna put a shock image on Jan 10 17:29:56 shock image as in goatse/tubgirl etc? Jan 10 17:30:21 would that be for security jake? lol Jan 10 17:30:29 /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_indi_nokia_hands.png Jan 10 17:31:10 tyvm Jan 10 17:31:41 so, what's about pearl?) Jan 10 17:31:45 prolly Jan 10 17:31:57 wazd, hmm, maybe Jan 10 17:32:07 maybe a screencap from 2g1c Jan 10 17:32:45 The best startup screen is a screenshot of homescreen itself :) Jan 10 17:32:46 I'm such a fuckwit, I told it to build xchat again because that's what I've been typing on the merbuilder page >.< Jan 10 17:33:00 lol nice that would prolly tick me off Jan 10 17:36:53 E: Konnte Lockdatei /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht öffnen - open (28 No space left on device) Jan 10 17:36:53 updated Ubuntu Jaunty for the N800/N818 thread; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 Jan 10 17:37:12 no space to lock my apt-get download dir? Jan 10 17:37:23 what should i do? Jan 10 17:37:47 that's happend to me, I think it was because I wasn't root Jan 10 17:38:22 im root shure Jan 10 17:38:57 df: /dev/mtdblock4 255488 252816 2672 99% / Jan 10 17:39:29 i can't remove any apps Jan 10 17:39:59 how about moving some files temporally to a mmc? Jan 10 17:40:21 wazd: That is how Apple does it (with the startup screens) Jan 10 17:40:46 ive hust installed apps into the rom Jan 10 17:40:47 http://www.jakemaheu.com/images/xaio.jpg Jan 10 17:42:36 RST38h: yep, iPhone trick, pretty elegant though :) Jan 10 17:43:23 * wazd wonders why he has wrong colors of wallpaper on the tablet Jan 10 17:44:07 16-bit? Jan 10 17:44:24 edited in 24bit then shown in 16bit on the NIT? Jan 10 17:44:35 no, not gradient ladders but just a bit less bluish than on the laptop Jan 10 17:45:03 maybe that's because of my laptop color profile Jan 10 17:45:04 ah Jan 10 17:45:34 gradients really sucks on n800 :( Jan 10 17:49:03 StsN800, base64 package built Jan 10 17:49:16 qwerty12, thanks! Jan 10 17:49:38 np Jan 10 17:50:04 what the hell was that Jan 10 17:50:56 wazd_wtf: an elephant Jan 10 17:52:23 how can I take my name back?)) Jan 10 17:52:29 /ghost Jan 10 17:52:42 wazd_wtf: it'll ping timeout in a while anyway Jan 10 17:52:47 assuming that wazd is registered with nickserv :) Jan 10 17:52:49 if you don't have it registered Jan 10 17:53:07 no, i think not Jan 10 17:53:29 You will be forever known as wazd_wtf Jan 10 17:53:46 *dramaticaly* nooooooooooo!!! Jan 10 17:53:52 hehe Jan 10 17:53:57 that sux, it just happend to me actually lol Jan 10 17:54:21 this time I was smart and registerd Jan 10 17:54:28 I happened to Qwerty twelve times I see :) Jan 10 17:54:41 aha good call Jan 10 17:54:44 wtf @ kernel Jan 10 17:54:46 <6>elantech.c: unexpected magic knock result 0x00, 0x02, 0x64. Jan 10 17:54:56 wazd_wtf, hehe... :P Jan 10 17:55:10 "magic knock"? :P Jan 10 17:55:23 well, now I have to chose different name? Jan 10 17:55:32 now you can switch back, wazd_wtf Jan 10 17:55:33 Not anymore :P Jan 10 17:55:36 ah, thanks) Jan 10 17:55:41 evening rm_you Jan 10 17:55:46 ello rm_you Jan 10 17:55:50 hello Jan 10 17:56:03 hello Jan 10 17:56:10 how to register nick?) Jan 10 17:56:17 /nickserv help register Jan 10 17:56:33 wazd, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup Jan 10 17:58:18 I think it's done) Jan 10 17:58:28 thanks Jan 10 17:58:45 Now it's time to identify :) Jan 10 17:59:12 /msg NickServ IDENTIFY Jan 10 17:59:29 hey all Jan 10 17:59:32 hrmrm Jan 10 18:01:10 qwerty12: I'm still getting "Invalid module format" on my r8187 module. the arch is right this time afaik. any ideas? Jan 10 18:01:37 drav3n, no :/ Jan 10 18:02:19 Post me your uname output again plz Jan 10 18:03:01 (I can't guarantee success, I'll be eventually building in a diablo sdk) Jan 10 18:03:25 well after I did n770_defconf or w/e it matches the all the other kenel mods Jan 10 18:04:13 wazd: does themes include new icon sets too btw or just parts of it? Jan 10 18:04:52 Well, current version of Theme Maker can include sidebar icons and fonts Jan 10 18:04:59 *nod* Jan 10 18:05:13 But unfortunately it can't compile theme itself) Jan 10 18:07:12 Well, maybe wallpaper is already good? Don't want to add detailed objects to it Jan 10 18:07:22 yeah, wallpaper is good Jan 10 18:08:16 I've added some noice to it, to be not too flat Jan 10 18:08:36 is the icon for unknown application icon in themes too btw? Jan 10 18:08:58 (i never made a theme, :P) Jan 10 18:09:47 i guess https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/template/template.png is all it can do Jan 10 18:11:04 There are only 3 icons in theme, web, contacts and apps, all for sidebar menus Jan 10 18:11:13 k Jan 10 18:11:30 I think you can include everything you need with hands though) Jan 10 18:11:43 Like boot up screen and other stuff Jan 10 18:11:46 yeah Jan 10 18:12:45 I think you can add an image called qgn_list_gene_default_app.png to the theme images folder and it will get replaced when applying the theme Jan 10 18:12:50 http://i031.radikal.ru/0901/7f/9c71268b6ed2.jpg thats the latest version Jan 10 18:13:15 wazd: looks good :) Jan 10 18:14:32 hey lardman Jan 10 18:15:10 hello Jan 10 18:15:11 qwerty12_N800: hmm, it was in 2.6.28 n800 sound was removed? Jan 10 18:16:00 Stskeeps, something like that, check the nitdroid thread, solca haz linkz :) Jan 10 18:16:04 k Jan 10 18:16:39 btw I have w1920 version of the wallpaper so if you plan to have a website it can be nice backgroung Jan 10 18:16:53 hehe, yeah, :) Jan 10 18:19:15 wazd: have you done any other maemo themes, btw? Jan 10 18:19:37 like, published one Jan 10 18:19:37 s Jan 10 18:19:45 Stskeeps: nope, I have one in plans, but nothing done yet Jan 10 18:19:50 alright Jan 10 18:20:29 you didn't do Titan? ;) Jan 10 18:20:51 Stskeeps: I'm thinking too much on them, so it's very long to do it. Titan has been redrawn like 3 times or so Jan 10 18:20:54 that was wazd_wtf Jan 10 18:20:59 ah ;> Jan 10 18:21:09 yep, that was him :) Jan 10 18:21:14 * Stskeeps wonders how titan looks on mer Jan 10 18:21:25 :p :) Jan 10 18:21:27 * Stskeeps checks Jan 10 18:21:37 i just really really want to get rid of plankton .. Jan 10 18:21:37 :P Jan 10 18:21:57 Can't say that I blame you... :p Jan 10 18:22:23 I get a giggle over the people who want it in os2008 :p Jan 10 18:22:56 maybe I can combine my thoughts and Mer concept and make 1 theme Jan 10 18:23:10 Called... Mer, for example)) Jan 10 18:23:12 you're more than welcome :) chances are we'll definately use them ;) Jan 10 18:28:58 * Stskeeps ponders if he hosed his mer install earlier Jan 10 18:40:32 lol Jan 10 18:40:54 qwerty12_N800: something went odd in the base64 build Jan 10 18:41:17 \ghost didn't work :( Jan 10 18:41:22 Stskeeps, but the package is there :? Jan 10 18:41:31 wazd_wtf, what client? Jan 10 18:41:36 mIRC Jan 10 18:41:39 hi Jan 10 18:41:42 ah Jan 10 18:41:46 hi woglinde Jan 10 18:41:46 true Jan 10 18:41:50 hey Jan 10 18:42:07 wazd: now you can do /nickserv ghost wazd Jan 10 18:42:15 hey guys, what's the current way to play music over to a a2dp headset? Jan 10 18:42:39 Die bitch!) Jan 10 18:43:01 hostile takeover ) Jan 10 18:44:05 Saviq: well, there is a guide how to do that on ITT forums Jan 10 18:44:32 wazd: yes but it's a bit off with current package versions :/ Jan 10 18:55:47 Stskeeps, re base64, don't think your builder likes arch: all packages, if it's all tbh, only the i386 builder needs to do it Jan 10 18:56:26 qwerty12_N800: true, maybe repository loader script fucks up too Jan 10 19:02:55 w00t! My Palm 3245WW keyboard came! Jan 10 19:03:03 Only... I can't get it to pair with tablet :-( Jan 10 19:04:17 Oh, wait... I'm stupid Jan 10 19:08:35 w00t! Now I just have to get used to the keyboard shortcuts... Jan 10 19:11:27 heh, the kinetic scrolling file chooser in fremantle is funny Jan 10 19:13:11 buongiorno/sera/notte a tutti Jan 10 19:13:28 Stskeeps: wait, what?) Jan 10 19:13:43 wazd_wtf: mer has fremantle components Jan 10 19:13:48 so we get file chooser and widgets Jan 10 19:13:53 and such Jan 10 19:14:04 Stskeeps: nice) Jan 10 19:14:27 Stskeeps: pity I'm too dumb to check out Mer :) Jan 10 19:14:34 wazd_wtf: we'll soon make it possible :) Jan 10 19:15:32 Meizirkki: you tried to port hildon-theme- from maemo, right? Jan 10 19:16:15 no. Jan 10 19:16:22 oh, what do you mean Jan 10 19:16:32 the pretty themes Jan 10 19:16:35 copying them in Jan 10 19:16:56 did you when you copied them at first, before you copied the icons, experience the extras menu etc not working? Jan 10 19:16:59 Sts: Btw, is Fremantle file chooser still tries to scan all the subdirectories and the whole current directory? Jan 10 19:17:04 just not showing anything Jan 10 19:17:06 i downloaded themes-os08-12pt from (austinche) repo Jan 10 19:17:06 RST38h: no clue Jan 10 19:17:19 not sure what repo Jan 10 19:17:24 Sts: Try opening a directory with 2-3 LARGE subdirectories Jan 10 19:17:30 Sts: See how long it takes Jan 10 19:17:38 Meizirkki, lancode repo iirc Jan 10 19:17:50 ok Jan 10 19:17:52 thanbks Jan 10 19:17:55 -b Jan 10 19:18:04 Meizirkki: ok, and what caused you to copy in maemo icons? Jan 10 19:18:42 those maemo themes were iconless otherwise Jan 10 19:18:45 wazd_wtf, not dumb, just different mindset, im quite excited at the prospect of mer as well :) Jan 10 19:19:41 Stskeeps: but using maemos themes made some icons to not show up, like bluetooth-applet-icon or nm-applet... Jan 10 19:23:45 What's wrong with konttoris theme maker? it just stays on 1% :( Jan 10 19:26:22 Obviously, it needs a bloody ssssacrifice! Jan 10 19:26:42 [your firstborn will do] Jan 10 19:27:23 * qwerty12_N800 donates ctulthu Jan 10 19:29:14 is there anyway to tell Modest to send inline images in a forward? Jan 10 19:37:45 I hope there comes along a mail client as sexy as Modest and as functional as Claws one of these days for Maemo Jan 10 19:38:35 kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.16 ? Jan 10 19:38:43 does it exist? Jan 10 19:40:39 nvm it's not rx-34 Jan 10 19:43:26 * b-man is about to chuck his tablet across the room, stupid keyboard issue came back after the fifth boot into ubuntu. D:< Jan 10 19:44:43 b-man: hehe. i spent a month on the 'fsck' problem Jan 10 19:44:49 and i'm still not happy with the solutio Jan 10 19:44:50 n Jan 10 19:45:21 gnuton: did you get some cheap stuff on the last day of the afternewyear IKEA discounts? Jan 10 19:46:11 I was sooo close :( Jan 10 19:47:13 at least i have proof that i actually had it working :) Jan 10 19:47:27 ssvb: no, I didn't Jan 10 19:49:21 * b-man starts to try and hunt down a nother possible cause of the issue :/ Jan 10 20:01:23 I have a question. When a app download is finish, but when trys to install says insuficent memory, the pakage is in the device yet ?? Jan 10 20:06:09 wazd_wtf: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan/ Jan 10 20:06:44 Fatal: Yes, it is in the device Jan 10 20:07:02 (scrshot 4 is odd cos of our window manager not placing it correctly right now) Jan 10 20:10:08 has any one had problems with there n810's sd card like it sliding out of place? Jan 10 20:12:07 wazd: saw my url? Jan 10 20:13:20 little git! Jan 10 20:18:00 Where is the pakage store then ?? Jan 10 20:19:33 /var/tmp or so Jan 10 20:21:08 /var/cache/apt/archives/ Jan 10 20:21:16 or on the MMC Jan 10 20:21:41 im never sure if im ok to clean them all out though Jan 10 20:21:43 lcuk hm the nokia appmanager dowload its somewher elese Jan 10 20:21:49 so i just clean the biggest ones out when i need to Jan 10 20:22:01 lcuk, apt-get clean Jan 10 20:22:14 that removes ALL those? Jan 10 20:22:37 yes but it doesn't matter, they'll get redownloaded if needed anyway Jan 10 20:22:38 :D oooooooh Jan 10 20:22:44 yeah i know that much Jan 10 20:23:00 thats much more logical, i however tend not to type random things into the console :$ Jan 10 20:25:27 wb wazd_wtf Jan 10 20:25:40 qwerty12_N800: does hildon-desktop on diablo have composite enabled? Jan 10 20:26:59 Stskeeps, hildon-desktop doesn't have a composite option. if you mean matchbox, then no it doesn't. when i enabled it, matchbox refused to start Jan 10 20:27:14 qwerty12_N800: ok, cos i see configure.ac stuff regarding composite Jan 10 20:27:22 it's just meiz spoke of the side bar not being transparent Jan 10 20:28:32 no sorry, i'm wrong, hildon-desktop is linked to libcomposite Jan 10 20:28:49 k Jan 10 20:28:52 so that's probably why then Jan 10 20:29:07 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan2/screenshot03.png Jan 10 20:29:36 ooer Jan 10 20:33:29 wazd: prod me when around, got a question :) Jan 10 20:35:32 WTF??? ive been ripped off Jan 10 20:35:49 mm? Jan 10 20:36:24 ive got a clipper lighter, and the flint doofer thing is non changable Jan 10 20:38:50 guys, shouldn't the a2dpd daemon run automatically on boot? Jan 10 20:39:47 the modern method doesn't use the ancient a2dpd because bluez has support built in it Jan 10 20:40:53 qwerty12_N800: i'm such a doofus.. turns out ThemeMaker themes doesn't have the icon fallback theme in their gtkrc that is required to make icons work in Mer :) Jan 10 20:41:36 qwerty12_N800: 'modern method'? as in? Jan 10 20:42:07 I tried the 'bluetooth' alsa device but it will only work with voice not with hifi quality Jan 10 20:42:15 Stskeeps, heh, has that one been scratching your head for a while? :) Jan 10 20:42:19 (it works like that on my desktop) Jan 10 20:42:32 qwerty12_N800: could you then please point me to a 'modern' solution info? Jan 10 20:42:33 Saviq, johnx's a2dp-support Jan 10 20:42:39 qwerty12_N800: it's a oneliner really :P Jan 10 20:43:33 Stskeeps, hehe :p :) Jan 10 20:43:41 Saviq, www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 Jan 10 20:43:51 thanks Jan 10 20:44:28 Stskeeps, planning to recompile against libcomposite? :) Jan 10 20:45:34 qwerty12_N800: yeah Jan 10 20:45:47 cool Jan 10 20:47:09 i love all of you Jan 10 20:47:29 Stskeeps, incase it helps: http://pastebin.com/d4bf5b0ce Jan 10 20:48:43 Hello Jan 10 20:49:05 qwerty12_N800: have you seen that: "BT_GETCAPABILITIES failed : Input/output error(5)"? Jan 10 20:50:11 Saviq, yes, a re-pair & reboot worked for me. For another person, it was a case of not entering his bt headset mac address properly Jan 10 20:50:28 on xchat can you move channel listings to top ? Jan 10 20:50:31 will try that Jan 10 20:51:01 yerga: did your fremantle widgets have icons in the file chooser, btw? Jan 10 20:52:41 like, for "Documents" folder and such Jan 10 20:57:19 qwerty12_N800: thanks a lot, at last it works Jan 10 20:57:40 no problem :) Jan 10 20:57:58 is there avrcp support? Jan 10 20:58:10 qwerty12_N800: compiling composite hildon Jan 10 20:58:26 cool Jan 10 20:58:38 should make things a tiny bit prettier :P Jan 10 20:59:33 Meiz_n810: you'll be pleased to know i got themes to work sanely :P Jan 10 20:59:50 w00t! Jan 10 20:59:52 as in, with icons Jan 10 20:59:54 and composite Jan 10 21:00:03 great! Jan 10 21:00:24 so we can get rid of plankton as default theme ;) Jan 10 21:00:36 qwerty12_N800: can canola play through a2dp now, too Jan 10 21:00:36 ? Jan 10 21:00:38 :) Jan 10 21:01:30 Saviq, if you change the atabake config file to use mplayer Jan 10 21:01:45 what was the problen with hildon-appmanager? Jan 10 21:03:10 Meiz_n810: (is), some odd defines missing and the fremantle code requiring upstart-dev which we dont have Jan 10 21:03:33 wtf @ it breaking during compile Jan 10 21:03:46 ok Jan 10 21:04:20 Stskeeps, how about using the diablo one for now? Jan 10 21:04:29 qwerty12_N800: broke during compile Jan 10 21:04:57 boll0x Jan 10 21:05:04 hmm qwerty12_N800 does canola beta10 use atabake still? I can't find the config file.... Jan 10 21:05:48 Saviq, I don't use canola personally. i think it's in /home/user/.atabake/config Jan 10 21:06:07 yeah I don't have the .atabake dir, that's why I'm confused ... Jan 10 21:06:10 OK, I'm seriously gonna start this blog post today. Jan 10 21:07:08 wtf? i'm still there? i just accidentally ran mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0 and ctrl-c it after inode tables Jan 10 21:07:17 i am booted from it Jan 10 21:07:18 Stskeeps, i'll reupload base64 tomorrow, i fucked up on the version number Jan 10 21:07:21 Meiz_n810: cache :P Jan 10 21:07:25 qwerty12_N800: alrighty Jan 10 21:07:47 i fucked up my mmc-diablo again... grr! Jan 10 21:08:36 "E: Unable to find a source package for hildon-application-manager" - sounds odd Jan 10 21:08:42 hmm? Jan 10 21:09:20 From your last h-a-m merbuilder log. i thought it failed during compiling, it doesn't even get that far Jan 10 21:09:29 Hrm, looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System it seems to suggest that RDS support may not be RDS support Jan 10 21:10:08 But is that just because certain equipment lacks the facilities to handle certain types of RDS broadcasts (which we can easily overcome in software, I'd think) or a function of what the chipset supports? Jan 10 21:10:10 6 Jan 10 21:10:22 (^ mouse tossed on keyboard) Jan 10 21:10:26 GeneralAntilles: you can also use RDS for positioning if you so wanted :P Jan 10 21:11:22 * Stskeeps goes back to mer Jan 10 21:11:56 qwerty12_N800: i think i gave up or something Jan 10 21:12:01 cos i couldn't make it build in chroot Jan 10 21:12:05 ah Jan 10 21:16:56 * Stskeeps adds titan to repository Jan 10 21:18:16 Stskeeps, Mer highlights since before the holiday? Jan 10 21:22:44 GeneralAntilles: SDK is working, we're getting very close to having images people can actually flash and try out Jan 10 21:22:56 stskeep good Jan 10 21:23:30 GeneralAntilles: the initfs request, x86 port working as well .. yeah Jan 10 21:23:34 a lot has happened :) Jan 10 21:24:20 "Progress continues to be made on Mer. The SDK is work, and the project is nearing release of its first demo image. Nokia has recently pledged an unprecedented (for this industry) level of support for the project in its efforts to provide a community backport of Fremantle to OMAP2 devices, and the Mer team already has ports running on N8x0s, x86 machines, and OMAP3 machines." Jan 10 21:24:21 ? Jan 10 21:24:44 yeah, something like that, s/work/working/ Jan 10 21:26:23 on the technical side we're still waiting for OHM, tablet-browser-ui and DSME :P Jan 10 21:27:07 s/is work/has been made available ? Jan 10 21:27:24 ^ Jan 10 21:27:32 yeah, what RST38h said Jan 10 21:27:40 Stskeeps, can I linkify that? Jan 10 21:27:51 the SDK? yeah Jan 10 21:28:24 Got a link? :P Jan 10 21:28:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#SB1_SDK_Guide Jan 10 21:29:44 i plan to have time to merge the pages after the 23rd :P Jan 10 21:31:00 Fine, fine. ;) Jan 10 21:31:41 is there a command you can run in the terminal (on a nokia 770) which will cause opera to load a specific URL? Jan 10 21:32:04 like i'm sitting here reading a webpage on my workstation with a huge url.. i'd love to be able to ssh to the nokia and paste the url Jan 10 21:33:14 browser --url=%url% works on a n800 with diablo, dunno about opera Jan 10 21:33:30 Was the first highlights not bit-sized enough? Jan 10 21:33:33 http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ Jan 10 21:33:37 s/bit/bite/ Jan 10 21:34:00 Actually, hrm, nevermind. Jan 10 21:36:00 https://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ Let me know if I've missed anything. Jan 10 21:36:49 back again Jan 10 21:40:03 works, thanks qwerty12_N800 Jan 10 21:43:51 http://wiki.maemo.org/images/0/09/HOME_05.png that mockup is way better than current Jan 10 21:43:57 why was it banned? Jan 10 21:48:57 wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan2/screenshot05.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-titan2/screenshot03.png <- getting there Jan 10 21:49:52 (i'm working on fixing the grey bars atm) Jan 10 21:54:00 Stskeeps, yes it has icons Jan 10 21:54:14 not very nice but it has Jan 10 21:55:31 k Jan 10 22:09:55 guys, any idea why maemo-mapper would suddenly stop liking route files created by GMapToGPX Jan 10 22:09:56 ? Jan 10 22:15:34 Stskeeps: whoa) Jan 10 22:16:38 Saviq: no( Jan 10 22:25:53

is no different than

Jan 10 22:43:01 Stskeeps: http://s48.radikal.ru/i122/0901/67/449c40bab6d0.jpg - some logo concept Jan 10 22:43:25 looks bad but still) Jan 10 22:43:57 still quite neat though :) Jan 10 22:44:28 (random comment) - wow, in a preod of only 2 weeks it went from 70 F to 16 F with 7+ inches of snow :p Jan 10 22:44:51 wazd, put a Nokia shark swimming down below? :P Jan 10 22:45:02 xD Jan 10 22:45:50 GeneralAntilles: or a nokia tire at the bottom of the sea.. Jan 10 22:46:00 Hehe Jan 10 22:46:31 wazd, actually, it looks quite cool Jan 10 22:46:38 But I've always preferred cleaner stuff. Jan 10 22:47:11 Clean like: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/lets-talk/ Jan 10 22:47:40 like his own page? ;) Jan 10 22:48:11 Stskeeps, yes, that's why I'm referencing it. :P Jan 10 22:48:23 More information on Palm Pre SDK is released Jan 10 22:48:31 http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palms-app-store-christened-app-catalog-games-not-a-priority/ Jan 10 22:48:40 If you're talking bout logo, I love it too) Jan 10 22:49:00 wazd: [la] Mer! Jan 10 22:49:04 The small bubble at the bottom looks like an ® Jan 10 22:49:43 mer, the ecosystem for fishy things.. Jan 10 22:49:45 :P Jan 10 22:49:58 lol Jan 10 22:50:11 Sts: Actually, this screen should show each available package update as a fish Jan 10 22:50:21 Sts: The bigger update file is, the bigger should be the fish Jan 10 22:50:26 hehe Jan 10 22:51:04 And if there are no updates, the ocean should be gradually getting darker each week Jan 10 22:51:37 online english dictionary said that "Mer" is somehow a "Mars rider" :D Jan 10 22:52:00 RST38h: And become filled with junk) Jan 10 22:52:36 'the repeating structural unit of a polymer .often prefixed with a number indicating thenumber of units in the polymer mers' Jan 10 22:52:38 like sinked fregs'n'stuff) Jan 10 22:52:39 heh Jan 10 22:52:40 wazd: only if you have got broken dependencies or pacjages held back Jan 10 22:52:45 wazd, that's when Nokia releases an update. ;) Jan 10 22:54:07 Palm sucked on industrial design again Jan 10 22:54:15 And the main reason is fear Jan 10 22:54:33 You've made a device that looks like a stone Jan 10 22:54:35 wazd: i like the principle of the logo though, simplistic but straight to the point. Maybe 'mer' instead of 'MeR"? Jan 10 22:54:52 Make it feel like a stone Jan 10 22:54:54 or Mer Jan 10 22:55:11 wazd: So that you can kill with it! Jan 10 22:55:19 Sts, well, i thought of that, I said that it looks like crap)) Jan 10 22:55:28 wazd: hehe ;> Jan 10 22:55:45 RST38h: Motorola has a phone with stone textured metal Jan 10 22:55:57 wazd: Didn't do Motorola any good. Jan 10 22:56:00 RST38h: it was superawesome just to hold it Jan 10 22:56:17 wazd: the splash screen could be the logo swimming across the screen.. Jan 10 22:56:17 * RST38h seen it, didn't experience much awesomeness though Jan 10 22:56:18 ;> Jan 10 22:56:20 RST38h: well, Moto sucked at software too hard Jan 10 22:56:47 * RST38h still wants his StarTrek datapad Jan 10 22:57:11 Well, still it was much better than cheap glossy plasic Jan 10 22:57:48 Screw the stony textures, the shiny parts, the white glossy parts, just give me a plain datapad made of robust ugly plastic Jan 10 22:58:09 RST38h: transparent plastic)) Jan 10 22:58:36 wazd: yea, right, bluish transparent plastic and blue LEDs... Jan 10 22:58:52 wazd: The evil offspring of the original iMac Jan 10 22:59:46 RST38h: I'm already in fear :) Jan 10 23:00:12 wazd: Fortunately, the bluish transparent stuff is mostly gone and the blue LEDs are dying out too Jan 10 23:00:40 Even the silvery crap is going away (BBK stopped using it recently) Jan 10 23:01:55 Sts: It's nice to have some visual concept to stand on Jan 10 23:02:10 Sts: You can play with some things Jan 10 23:02:23 Sts: Maemo logo was hard to produce Jan 10 23:02:47 Sts: Since nobody knows what the hell maemo is :) Jan 10 23:03:08 hehe :) Jan 10 23:03:32 and mer is a place you can drown and die.. :P Jan 10 23:03:32 Sts: And when the name is senseless, the logo is senseless too Jan 10 23:04:00 Sts: or you going there on holidays to relax with margarita :) Jan 10 23:04:04 hehe Jan 10 23:04:47 you can't go to maemo on holidays obviously :) Jan 10 23:05:20 Just #define maemo as something useful and pleasant Jan 10 23:08:14 * Stskeeps ponders why on earth he has to add -Wl,-rpath=/usr/lib , shrugs, and goes back to building Jan 10 23:08:18 BTW, am I the only one having problems connecting to GMail with the latest Modest? Jan 10 23:09:12 Hmm...and POP3 accounts too. It regularly pops out a dialog asking me to change the password Jan 10 23:11:26 RST38h: in fact latest Modest was the only that I've paired with my gmail Jan 10 23:11:55 RST38h: always got same pop-up earlier Jan 10 23:13:32 What do I do? I forces me to retype passwords Jan 10 23:13:37 s/I/it Jan 10 23:14:10 Stskeeps, somebody remember to bug X-Fade about fixing http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting Jan 10 23:14:20 hmm? he put up the log Jan 10 23:14:27 MER Jan 10 23:14:30 ah Jan 10 23:14:44 well we're not even sure what it means .. ;> Jan 10 23:15:01 Mutually Ensured Reconstruction? .. Jan 10 23:15:01 :P Jan 10 23:15:18 Well, it sure aint an acronym. :P Jan 10 23:15:23 hehe Jan 10 23:17:52 * Stskeeps wonders what hildon-desktop-multiscreen is Jan 10 23:18:09 switchable homescreen?) Jan 10 23:18:24 like virtual desktops Jan 10 23:18:30 something for tv out? Jan 10 23:18:36 hello Jan 10 23:18:38 oops Jan 10 23:18:39 hey Jan 10 23:19:00 wazd: dunno, maybe. was from 2006 so :P Jan 10 23:19:19 i get way more intimate with some of the pieces than i would really like to. Jan 10 23:19:25 Well, they planned to make multiple homescreens somewhere Jan 10 23:19:37 * qwerty12_N800 throws his theory out the window Jan 10 23:19:38 On one of the slides Jan 10 23:20:10 Don't throw TV out, it's awesome)) Jan 10 23:20:26 hehe Jan 10 23:21:21 though I haven't got TV with HDMI Jan 10 23:21:47 ~seen johnx Jan 10 23:21:49 johnx was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17h 45m 24s ago, saying: 'infobot, poke rm_you'. Jan 10 23:24:14 infobot, poke Stskeeps Jan 10 23:24:15 * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Stskeeps, pokes Stskeeps repeatedly, hilarity ensues. Jan 10 23:24:17 :D Jan 10 23:24:19 It'd be great if Hildon were in a state where you could just apt-get install hildon and everything would work. Jan 10 23:24:19 hehe Jan 10 23:24:36 GeneralAntilles: in which scenario? Jan 10 23:24:54 Well, after you've installed Ubuntu on your UMPC Jan 10 23:24:59 General: everything in a whole world :) Jan 10 23:25:15 GeneralAntilles: technically you can already, but its not a good enough hildon on it :P Jan 10 23:25:15 General: just install hildon :) Jan 10 23:25:29 It wouldn't spaz out at a non-800x480 resolution Jan 10 23:25:50 Stskeeps, remember the laptop screenshots with Hildon Desktop? Jan 10 23:25:53 Basically, I want that. Jan 10 23:25:54 yeah, i do Jan 10 23:26:00 A real fan Jan 10 23:26:11 GeneralAntilles: i'm inclined to think it isn't impossible though. its a matter of adjusting layouts, i think Jan 10 23:26:25 Oh, sure, it's perfectly possible. Jan 10 23:26:27 that, or we get some of the hildon guys drunk and ask how it worked Jan 10 23:26:28 :P Jan 10 23:26:34 I just want it to be working and done with right now. :P Jan 10 23:26:36 Doesn't Hildon desktop scale well? It seems to survive rotation just fine Jan 10 23:26:51 Er, "fine"? Jan 10 23:26:53 GeneralAntilles: my idea is to make Mer installable on UMPCs too :P Jan 10 23:27:08 General: Well, no obvious visual glitches Jan 10 23:27:25 Well, it hasn't crashed) Jan 10 23:27:31 That's fine) Jan 10 23:27:31 RST38h, statusbar folds over on itself, taskbar applets aren't placed correctly Jan 10 23:28:04 Menu is cut-off Jan 10 23:28:07 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/02/09/hildon-desktop-scalability/ Jan 10 23:28:07 General: But the desktop at least draws itself right Jan 10 23:28:22 * RST38h wouldn't expect that much Jan 10 23:28:35 Stskeeps, if we have it to where it works like that, I think adoption rates will go up. Jan 10 23:28:44 Which means more Hildon-friendly applications for us! :D Jan 10 23:28:52 GeneralAntilles: i have mer on a atom board at work.. :P Jan 10 23:30:47 Stskeeps, you probably wouldn't need to get him drunk. the guy running it on the laptop doesn't work for nokia anymore Jan 10 23:32:13 mm Jan 10 23:32:16 qwerty: he was fired after this post?) Jan 10 23:32:35 wazd, no idea :D Jan 10 23:32:37 qwerty12_N800: i'm trying to find out where the initial theme is set in maemo, any clues? Jan 10 23:32:49 er, not theme, background image Jan 10 23:35:03 something must read /usr/share/backgrounds/default.desktop, I'll try and figure it out Jan 10 23:35:08 k Jan 10 23:35:28 yeah, hildon-desktop Jan 10 23:36:25 yep, so I guess just edit that :) Jan 10 23:38:15 oh, so that's what purpose hildon-application-framework has O_o Jan 10 23:41:43 http://s43.radikal.ru/i101/0901/14/c233994e04ca.jpg here's latest one wallpaper if you plan to implement it right now) Jan 10 23:41:52 i was -just- about to ask :) Jan 10 23:42:13 is it okay i merge it with the titan theme for now? Jan 10 23:42:51 NO YOU CAN'T!!!11 Jan 10 23:43:03 ofcourse it's ok) Jan 10 23:43:05 hehe Jan 10 23:46:10 http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0901/12/a4fb6aff7645.jpg - 1920x1200 version for fanboys :D Jan 10 23:46:41 oh, I see the glitch) Jan 10 23:47:10 glitch? Jan 10 23:47:41 yep, look at the bottom) Jan 10 23:47:50 the c thing? Jan 10 23:48:02 it's "e" in fact) Jan 10 23:48:09 hehe Jan 10 23:48:11 s/c/e/ Jan 10 23:48:12 qwerty12_N800 meant: the e thing? Jan 10 23:48:14 :p Jan 10 23:48:17 http://s60.radikal.ru/i170/0901/b5/b8233e40783f.jpg Jan 10 23:48:23 here's the right one Jan 10 23:56:16 Lower the compression a bit. Jan 10 23:58:41 it's not the compression I think Jan 10 23:58:53 it's too much colors( Jan 10 23:59:21 Gradient "ladders" are visible Jan 11 00:01:21 wazd, you should know to store something like that as png Jan 11 00:02:22 lcuk: that's not hte format problem Jan 11 00:02:51 lcuk: I have .psd opened and it shows the same Jan 11 00:03:44 thats because of small-steped gradients on large space Jan 11 00:03:53 I think it's just the way photoshop rendered it. Jan 11 00:03:54 yeah Jan 11 00:04:08 It does not look like a dithering problem or a compression problem Jan 11 00:04:20 ok, where did the photoshop come from.. Jan 11 00:04:41 Well, there are some artifacts in the very dark areas. Jan 11 00:05:04 And some ugly dithering but I think that's my screen and not the image. Jan 11 00:05:31 * Grackle is 3" away from his screen to see that, so :P Jan 11 00:05:59 its showing gradient changes of 2 units at a time and when its changing both blue and green its a visible step, it just so happens that jpeg renders the UV frames at half resolution so a totally smooth original source would end up with the stepping by default Jan 11 00:06:01 got fat, got angry, started hating myself Jan 11 00:06:54 if this image has been produced by an algo in photoshop thats one thing, but im betting the original source was a jpeg Jan 11 00:08:16 i'm lonely Jan 11 00:08:32 write your own linux based cyber lovebot Jan 11 00:08:57 you could mod the robot puppy project and get your NIT to be its dreamy eyes Jan 11 00:09:14 you scare me more each day Jan 11 00:09:24 i aim to please :) Jan 11 00:09:34 kinky Jan 11 00:10:05 Hello Jan 11 00:11:22 test Jan 11 00:11:37 pong Jan 11 00:11:42 ping Jan 11 00:12:04 pong Jan 11 00:12:26 pingy pongy Jan 11 00:12:50 who's getting the windows 7 beta? Jan 11 00:12:54 i am! Jan 11 00:12:59 plus i got a key Jan 11 00:13:36 lcuk: original source was plain white file) Jan 11 00:13:54 #windows Jan 11 00:14:19 am i right with the windows vista thing, have microsoft just given away vista? Jan 11 00:14:27 7 ^ Jan 11 00:14:29 I've downloaded Win7 but haen't installed it yet Jan 11 00:14:42 it's taking ages to download Jan 11 00:14:48 need usb-flash to install on my HP mini Jan 11 00:14:53 i paused it at 40percent Jan 11 00:14:53 Use torrents) Jan 11 00:15:03 what speed do you get? Jan 11 00:15:18 I've downloaded 7000 for 40 mins or so Jan 11 00:15:21 and what speed is your internet connection Jan 11 00:15:22 * lcuk wonders why Jan 11 00:15:27 from russian tracker Jan 11 00:15:48 16 mbps Jan 11 00:15:51 ah Jan 11 00:15:59 8 times better than mine? Jan 11 00:16:08 i got 2mbps Jan 11 00:16:24 avg download speed 250kb/s Jan 11 00:18:19 lcuk, if they don't they're gonna be left with XP as their primary OS for another 5 years. Jan 11 00:18:37 nahhh its worse than that Jan 11 00:18:51 people are getting new computers without microsoft on at all Jan 11 00:19:07 the "cool" thing for people to download and play with is linux Jan 11 00:19:21 haha really? :| Jan 11 00:19:28 thats what i did Jan 11 00:19:30 lol Jan 11 00:19:50 Most people I know have used inux for a long time so I don't know of that trend. Jan 11 00:19:55 linux too Jan 11 00:20:14 I heard about Ubuntu quite a bit Jan 11 00:20:20 but was satisfied with xp Jan 11 00:20:41 i come from a windows background, im still involved in it and still have to read publications and forums n stuff relating to it all Jan 11 00:20:48 I think it's a good thing. More users means better support from vendors, no matter who those users are. Jan 11 00:20:49 but when i got my new computer, i decided to try ubuntu with a disc i requested a few months before Jan 11 00:21:18 ideal time isnt it :) Jan 11 00:22:36 i've tried build 6801 and it was sweet, fast (comparable to xp), and beautiful Jan 11 00:23:06 Is networking less of a mess in Windows 7? Jan 11 00:23:24 Less of a mess than it is in Vista, that is. Jan 11 00:23:35 from my sorces, yes :) Jan 11 00:23:44 what do you mean? Jan 11 00:24:17 I really despise Vista's network setup utilities. I have spent hours fucking with various people's vista laptops just so we could play games. :( Jan 11 00:24:36 I'm sure it's not so bad if you're used to it, but it really could be made a more intuitive process. Jan 11 00:24:39 i see Jan 11 00:24:49 i've used xp since it came out Jan 11 00:25:41 from my information, the networking diologs have ben re-designed and they're placing it on the taskbar for easy acsess. :p Jan 11 00:26:09 yes, i know, not enough info :p Jan 11 00:26:22 xp window manager still has raw speed and usability advantage over gnome or kde or others ive tried, but app wise i run OSS :) Jan 11 00:26:25 Hah, well I remain optimistic. Jan 11 00:26:42 haha usability :| Jan 11 00:26:51 I think you're just used to it, lcuk. Jan 11 00:26:56 it does what i expect it to do Jan 11 00:27:04 Yeah. Jan 11 00:27:06 no, ive got ubuntu on my x41 Jan 11 00:27:15 * qwerty12_N800 prefers explorer.exe to nautilus Jan 11 00:27:47 windows GUI has usability? Jan 11 00:28:02 the way windows are handled and the task bar and stuff Jan 11 00:28:38 they look and function nicer :) Jan 11 00:28:41 oh, am I missing holywar?) Jan 11 00:28:56 I hope not, wazd Jan 11 00:29:08 not really Jan 11 00:29:20 somehow, my originally nickname is in use Jan 11 00:29:30 i read about this being a "ghost" Jan 11 00:29:43 ghost? where? Jan 11 00:29:59 in your toilet? Jan 11 00:30:07 lol Jan 11 00:30:11 tehforum, if you nick is registered you can /msg nickserv ghost nick password Jan 11 00:30:12 no, thats a fart cloud Jan 11 00:30:16 and it will kick off your ghost Jan 11 00:30:28 http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/20/0ac8decf8e05.jpg Jan 11 00:30:35 mer logo, v2 Jan 11 00:30:45 "ghost" being whoever is using your nick, some user or a lingering connection Jan 11 00:31:02 waz: i like it Jan 11 00:31:06 who made it? Jan 11 00:31:08 wazd: nice Jan 11 00:31:30 jakemaheu: Churcil) Jan 11 00:31:38 Churchil* Jan 11 00:31:46 ah Jan 11 00:31:50 Winston? Jan 11 00:31:54 yep Jan 11 00:31:58 sweet Jan 11 00:32:05 i wish i had zombie art Jan 11 00:32:14 he is dead, right? Jan 11 00:32:38 he said "not quiet" :) Jan 11 00:32:47 has timsmoff done eny work with logo designing yet? Jan 11 00:33:03 ghost tehforum Jan 11 00:33:11 bah Jan 11 00:33:15 place / ) Jan 11 00:33:34 b0man: what exactly logo? Jan 11 00:33:40 b-man* Jan 11 00:33:46 GHOST tehforum Jan 11 00:33:56 wrong again Jan 11 00:34:07 tehforums: place / in the beginning Jan 11 00:34:14 like /ghost Jan 11 00:34:16 yeah i trid that as well Jan 11 00:34:19 i ment has he tryed to design a logo for mer yet. Jan 11 00:34:38 b-man, oh, didn't know Jan 11 00:34:49 You can't ghost an unregistered nick. Jan 11 00:35:07 Okay Jan 11 00:35:13 what the heck with ghosts today Jan 11 00:35:25 yesterday was fine Jan 11 00:35:30 How would I retrieve my nick back then? Jan 11 00:35:33 no reconnections n stuff Jan 11 00:35:40 wait a little Jan 11 00:35:53 I had that shit too today) Jan 11 00:36:32 ok Jan 11 00:36:32 thanks Jan 11 00:36:48 I think letters should be a bit smaller Jan 11 00:38:34 lol Jan 11 00:39:28 I got it back. :) Jan 11 00:39:32 now register it Jan 11 00:41:10 infobot, are you here?) Jan 11 00:41:40 infobot, poke infobot Jan 11 00:41:41 * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind infobot, pokes infobot repeatedly, hilarity ensues. Jan 11 00:42:37 any other irc command i should be aware of? Jan 11 00:44:23 ok, tomorrow plans are to make some Mer theme concepts Jan 11 00:44:49 i wanna help Jan 11 00:45:02 is there a separate channel yet?\ Jan 11 00:45:13 dunno Jan 11 00:45:41 yup, #mer Jan 11 00:45:48 oh Jan 11 00:45:54 no, not really :P Jan 11 00:45:58 most of the stuff goes in here Jan 11 00:46:12 sts, hows the logo? Jan 11 00:46:15 ah Jan 11 00:47:10 wazd: i might be a little odd but i dislike the | that goes all the way to the top in the m :P Jan 11 00:48:53 mind if i give it a shot Jan 11 00:49:21 i found a nice gnu-licensed that i think i can do some work with Jan 11 00:49:26 also, gimp Jan 11 00:49:59 jakemaheu: sure Jan 11 00:50:13 sweet Jan 11 00:50:20 i'll have em up on my server later Jan 11 00:50:33 stskeeps: you wan't something like "fedora" has?) Jan 11 00:50:49 how big? 800x480? Jan 11 00:52:18 wazd: hmm? Jan 11 00:52:51 i just meant a font with the m not having the initial | that raises higher than the curve Jan 11 00:53:46 soft m Jan 11 00:54:21 stskeeps: got it, like maemo.org one's now) Jan 11 00:55:04 yeah Jan 11 00:55:06 that m Jan 11 00:56:17 btw maemo.org logo has pretty hard mistake now Jan 11 00:57:16 if you'll look at .org closely, you'll see that it's overscaled verticaly Jan 11 00:58:04 "O" shows it quite well, it's thinner on left and right and thicker on top and bottom Jan 11 00:58:30 *nod* Jan 11 00:59:40 not dramatical, but it's still bad thing from the designers pov :) Jan 11 01:00:23 hey, how do i enable devel repos, i want to install abiword Jan 11 01:00:50 im in xchat in my n810 ; i love this Jan 11 01:00:55 xD Jan 11 01:01:21 ~extras Jan 11 01:01:22 methinks extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Jan 11 01:01:47 ight ill take a look thanks Jan 11 01:02:15 ~sleep Jan 11 01:02:16 from memory, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. Jan 11 01:02:29 true( Jan 11 01:09:57 Does anyone know how often autosync on mcalendar syncs? Jan 11 01:20:00 tell Raytray do you like mcalendar? Jan 11 01:20:34 Yes I do. I'm intending to use it as a sort of agenda book for college. Jan 11 01:21:08 Raytray: I will have to try it Jan 11 01:21:33 nice it's pretty small Jan 11 01:21:39 hey, is there any way to see ppt in maemo? Jan 11 01:21:42 The only problem I have with it now is the hour difference between the google calendar and itself. Jan 11 01:22:37 Raytray: wow, that's pretty considerable :) Jan 11 01:23:21 if you say 2:15 google calendar gives 3:15? Jan 11 01:23:31 Yeah. Jan 11 01:23:41 same timezone? Jan 11 01:23:53 Yup, it's a dst bug I think. It's on their bugtracker. Jan 11 01:25:10 Raytray: that's unacceptable to me. If I was using google calendar I wouldn't even consider this app., owell Jan 11 01:25:42 an Jan 11 01:26:46 Well I'm only using it to record homework and that sort of thing, I don't have a hard schedule to keep. Should be fixed sometime soon anyway. Jan 11 01:26:49 * Raytray shrugs. Jan 11 01:27:24 Raytray, find Khertan. :P Jan 11 01:27:33 He's probably asleep. :P Jan 11 01:27:41 Which is why I didn't bother highlighting. :D Jan 11 01:27:50 I mean what's the use if you're trying to sync? I guess it's of use for keeping a history of past event at google calendars? Jan 11 01:27:56 At least, he's in #france anyway. Jan 11 01:28:42 yigal, well, to keep on mind what I have planned for the day. I could always add an hour in my head anyway. Jan 11 01:28:57 I check my tablet when I wake up to read my agenda, note the weather, and check email. Jan 11 01:30:14 Raytray: but gpe isn't quite good enough Jan 11 01:30:52 Does it have a desktop "widget" for it? Jan 11 01:32:18 it has an applet? Jan 11 01:32:53 mCalendar does. Jan 11 01:35:27 i'm too paranoid and have no use in trying to sync with google Jan 11 01:36:18 Well if you're not going to sync with google anyway mcalendar should do fine? Jan 11 01:36:50 Raytray: I want to be able to sync with evolution, can I do this? Jan 11 01:37:20 I do that through google calendar. I'm not exactly sure. Does gpe allow that? Jan 11 01:38:11 I haven't used my n800 for this purpose, but I'm interested in doing this, I've heard Conduit works for this purpose, in any event some day I'll look into it Jan 11 01:38:27 Ah I see. Jan 11 02:11:05 hey guys Jan 11 02:11:15 i made a few splashes for mer Jan 11 02:11:29 http://www.jakemaheu.com/mer/mer.html Jan 11 02:11:47 it's lousy html so that i don't have to list them on here Jan 11 02:12:30 brb Jan 11 02:14:28 what do you guys think? Jan 11 02:19:56 whoa Jan 11 02:20:04 why so heavy images? Jan 11 02:20:41 1.5 Mb, omg) Jan 11 02:21:59 * b-man thinks his ubuntu jaunty install is starting to die - first, keyboard stopped working, next gnome-pannel stopped working, then nautills stoped working... now all he gets is a wallpaper :p Jan 11 02:22:32 http://www.jakemaheu.com/mer/Mer_3.png - how did you do that so heavy?) .png can optimize that into 3 or 4 kbs Jan 11 02:27:44 http://s58.radikal.ru/i160/0901/6c/a9368f613294.png - I've just opened your file in PS and saved as PNG-24, it's 2kb Jan 11 02:28:13 I think you did something very wrong with your GIMP settings Jan 11 02:29:17 damn, wrong file Jan 11 02:29:23 http://s54.radikal.ru/i145/0901/71/057355d8f787.png - here it is Jan 11 02:32:37 jakemaheu, what is mer? Jan 11 02:35:06 Raytray: Something very special) Jan 11 02:35:25 I see. Heh Jan 11 02:35:51 b-man, is that all in one boot or constantly in that order? o.0 Jan 11 02:36:14 wazd: i didn't use compression Jan 11 02:36:19 lol Jan 11 02:36:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint Jan 11 02:36:48 what do you think though? Jan 11 02:38:03 jakemaheu: well, I think it's pretty "industrial" for "sea" thematics Jan 11 02:38:19 since "Mer" is "sea" in french :) Jan 11 02:38:21 it reminds me of a submarine; how deep we can explore Jan 11 02:38:30 into the open-source sea Jan 11 02:39:00 lol poetry Jan 11 02:39:05 jakemaheu: whoa, interesting association :) Jan 11 02:39:11 heh Jan 11 02:39:58 jakemaheu: try to make something smooth Jan 11 02:40:09 kay Jan 11 02:40:17 jakemaheu: good) Jan 11 02:40:19 you mean the letters? Jan 11 02:40:32 jakemaheu: yep Jan 11 02:40:36 okay Jan 11 02:41:06 I gtg to sleep some time) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 11 02:59:57 2009