**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 12 02:59:57 2009 Jan 12 04:29:22 * TheFatal is listening Rammstein - Rammstein on Canola Jan 12 04:29:25 :P Jan 12 04:30:31 what script is that Jan 12 04:35:44 /me Jan 12 04:35:46 xD Jan 12 04:36:02 oh you just typed it Jan 12 04:36:06 thats no fun Jan 12 04:36:41 does anyone know why skype does not seem to support video on the n810? it worked fine on the n800 Jan 12 04:37:07 ryoohki, skype never released a client that supports video for the n8x0 Jan 12 04:37:22 ryoohki, maybe you're thinking of gizmo? or just "internet call"? Jan 12 04:38:17 Hi, Could someone tell me why the DBUS Daemon keep killing my app ? Jan 12 04:38:26 ryoohki, as johnx says, Maemo has never had Skype video support. Jan 12 04:41:12 does anyone else have the problem when they install adblock plus it doesnt come up Jan 12 04:52:36 Shadow____X: already exist a plugin, but only for amarok and other music players on computers, not for devices Jan 12 04:52:57 ah alright Jan 12 04:53:21 TheFatal, do you have the same adblock plus issue Jan 12 04:53:32 johnx, no video skype works on the n800 Jan 12 04:53:46 :-X ?? Jan 12 04:54:29 i'm trying to download a map whit radars on Argentina Jan 12 04:54:31 ryoohki, if so, then you have a different version of skype than anyone else does Jan 12 04:55:09 ^ Jan 12 04:55:16 Or else you're using magic. Jan 12 04:59:43 on the n800 it's 10014/1.7.113.22.2 and on the n810 it's 10017/1.7.113.22.2 Jan 12 05:02:50 if my kernel version 2.6.16.27-omap1 should the magic number of my module be the same for it to work, or will 2.6.16-omap1 do? Jan 12 05:03:36 one question... where is the device of gps to configure mapper ?? Jan 12 05:04:27 it's in /dev/pgps ? Jan 12 05:04:46 N810? Jan 12 05:04:52 yep Jan 12 05:04:59 Bluetooth Jan 12 05:05:02 No MAC address Jan 12 05:05:38 but bluetooth do not give answer or not active gps function Jan 12 05:05:40 :S Jan 12 05:06:00 btconn or old bluetooth connection ?? Jan 12 05:07:01 Mapper, no Maemo Mapper Jan 12 05:07:36 There's no such thing as "Mapper" Jan 12 05:08:06 Mapper 1.0.3.95 by Kaj-Machel Lang Jan 12 05:08:16 whit licence GPL Jan 12 05:10:25 ryoohki, I think I speak for everyone when I say that I'd be very interested in a screenshot of what skype looks like on a video call. I know a lot of people have been waiting for skype video calling for a long time Jan 12 05:11:05 i purge skype :P Jan 12 05:11:51 TheFatal, Mapper looks very interesting. I'd never heard of it before... O_o Jan 12 05:12:31 johnx: i'd try to look the url... sorry for my horrible english Jan 12 05:13:08 nah, found it already :) Jan 12 05:13:08 and your English is fine. :) Jan 12 05:13:10 :) Jan 12 05:13:23 Oh, the OSM fork. Jan 12 05:14:16 i found it Jan 12 05:14:18 http://tecdencia.net/navit/ Jan 12 05:15:02 aaah, I thought you meant "Mapper" http://mapper.tal.org/ Jan 12 05:15:05 i have problems to configure it, 'cos that app do not detect automaticaly the gps device or the path Jan 12 05:15:14 xD Jan 12 05:15:55 THAT ! Jan 12 05:15:59 it's the same !!!!! Jan 12 05:16:20 whit another name... (navit = mapper) Jan 12 05:16:21 :O Jan 12 05:16:36 eh? looks different Jan 12 05:16:53 what the hell... ? Jan 12 05:16:56 aaah, just different versions. I see Jan 12 05:17:00 sorry, I was confused Jan 12 05:17:06 really = Jan 12 05:17:11 aa Jan 12 05:17:13 ok Jan 12 05:17:13 errr...hmm, one sec Jan 12 05:17:18 ok Jan 12 05:17:30 Mapper is an OSM-centric fork of Maemo Mapper Jan 12 05:17:41 fork ? Jan 12 05:17:42 Navit is a different piece of navigation software entirely. Jan 12 05:18:18 why fork? thought Maemo mapper worked with the OSM repos? Jan 12 05:18:38 ds3, it does, I've never bothered to divine the exact intentions behind it. Jan 12 05:18:49 TheFatal, ok. I understand. Mapper is a fork (a modified version) of maemo mapper Jan 12 05:18:52 I see. Jan 12 05:19:01 okok Jan 12 05:19:03 Navit is something different Jan 12 05:19:06 http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcaci%C3%B3n Jan 12 05:19:08 they both use OSM maps Jan 12 05:19:16 http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcaci%C3%B3n_(desarrollo_de_software) Jan 12 05:19:22 it can configure Jan 12 05:19:22 I do wonder if there is a way to tweak the OSM maps so they use sane colors (at least in the US) Jan 12 05:19:46 i can use google maps, and proyectomapear (argentina) maps Jan 12 05:19:51 Maemo Mapper is fetching bitmaps Jan 12 05:19:56 Dunno if OSM offers different colored bitmaps. Jan 12 05:20:07 Took me forever to find the alternate language bar on Wikipedia. <_< Jan 12 05:20:15 xD Jan 12 05:20:33 I think they've moved it since the last time I looked. Jan 12 05:20:45 the coloring in OSM maps is abit confusing for a US user... there are blue roads and all roadsare labeled with a square white tag like [I5] instead of being placed in a blue/red shield Jan 12 05:22:18 oo... problem... log of apt-get install maemo-mapper Jan 12 05:22:19 downloading... Jan 12 05:22:19 bla bla bla Jan 12 05:22:19 Unpacking maemo-mapper (from ...) Jan 12 05:22:19 setting up personal Jan 12 05:22:28 srry Jan 12 05:22:37 miss window Jan 12 05:23:14 i miss update a app Jan 12 05:25:20 it's there a way to fast the gps reception ? Jan 12 05:26:07 it's there a way to hurry the gps link ? Jan 12 05:26:19 install a-gps Jan 12 05:27:17 but if i turn on the gps in a car (supouse without wifi), can i configure the gps to link whit only 3 satellites ? Jan 12 05:28:18 uhm, GPS doesn't work like that Jan 12 05:28:20 or hurry up the search and link Jan 12 05:28:40 a-gps helps Jan 12 05:28:44 install the "a-gps" program Jan 12 05:28:51 that will speed up GPS Jan 12 05:28:57 also gps-clockd or w/e helps too Jan 12 05:29:19 hey johnx is there a way too zoom in agps Jan 12 05:29:34 Shadow____X, I have an N800 :) Jan 12 05:29:55 lol cant you still install it Jan 12 05:31:09 I guess I could. but it wouldn't do anything. :P Jan 12 05:31:14 No space left on device Jan 12 05:31:15 :S:S:S:S Jan 12 05:31:23 install to sd man Jan 12 05:31:27 come on Jan 12 05:31:37 TheFatal, delete the video that came with it :) Jan 12 05:31:39 but whit apt-get ? Jan 12 05:32:00 TheFatal, you can make the device boot from sd Jan 12 05:32:15 yes, but it is too much complicated :S Jan 12 05:32:24 no it isnt Jan 12 05:32:25 lol Jan 12 05:32:31 xD Jan 12 05:32:38 TheFatal, open File Manager, go to Videos on the device and delete it Jan 12 05:32:49 let see Jan 12 05:32:52 Shadow____X, he's a new user. don't get him in over his head for now Jan 12 05:33:00 ah alright alright Jan 12 05:33:02 :( Jan 12 05:33:24 when i came to the device i had some linux experience under my belt thats why i bought it Jan 12 05:33:27 johnx: no files in Videos Jan 12 05:33:49 what about under "documents" ? Jan 12 05:34:20 only google maps Jan 12 05:34:34 0.1mb Jan 12 05:34:53 and under "Music" Jan 12 05:35:03 no Jan 12 05:35:05 nothing Jan 12 05:35:27 emm... in document/maps there are files Jan 12 05:36:20 but only read Jan 12 05:37:47 maps only 800 kb Jan 12 05:40:32 i have one question... whit apt-get, can i install all files on /media/mmc1/ ?? Jan 12 05:41:14 TheFatal, no Jan 12 05:42:01 ok, so, can u tell me how move the OS to a sd card ? Jan 12 05:42:33 TheFatal: do you want to experiment with different OS's and configurations Jan 12 05:42:38 or just quickly get some free space? Jan 12 05:42:58 no yet Jan 12 05:43:05 i want more spaced Jan 12 05:43:10 *space Jan 12 05:43:26 i managed to free up about 5MB of things i did not need Jan 12 05:43:52 some under /home/user/ - the default media that comes with OS. some locales. Jan 12 05:44:00 but i have all flash memory used :S Jan 12 05:44:01 be glad nokia didn't do the samething ASUS did Jan 12 05:44:01 remove themes you don't use Jan 12 05:45:08 what did asus do Jan 12 05:45:08 what is that? Jan 12 05:45:19 ds3 what did asus do Jan 12 05:45:26 ASUS used UnionFS to merge a data area with their image Jan 12 05:45:38 so deleting anything ASUS shipped didn't free up space Jan 12 05:46:02 it actually took more space as all that did was put a pointer in the UnionFS metadata that a file should not be shown Jan 12 05:48:01 ahaha...though really, it kind of seems like a good idea sometimes Jan 12 05:48:08 makes things a lot more bulletproof Jan 12 05:48:15 what have nitro-privacy.conf ? Jan 12 05:49:10 what haev nitro-privacy.conf got ? Jan 12 05:50:15 the best part is, on their cheap model, it comes with 4G of storage...Asus ships about 3.7G of stuff on there Jan 12 05:50:37 of course they would Jan 12 05:50:41 imagine the fun when one decides to delete unnecessary stuff and proceeds to install under the assumption more space is available Jan 12 05:53:38 all the O.S. is in the internal flash memory (256 mb ) ?? Jan 12 05:54:04 si senor Jan 12 05:54:18 TheFatal, Nitro is Nokia's crash reporter. Jan 12 05:54:24 seÑor :P Jan 12 05:54:37 GeneralAntilles: ok Jan 12 05:54:37 Presumably that tells it which information you want reported. Jan 12 05:54:49 TheFatal, it's not as bad as it sounds, that 256MB is compressed. Jan 12 05:55:08 nono, it is not bad... i'm tinking Jan 12 05:55:13 thinking Jan 12 05:55:44 can i move all O.S. to a memory, whitout loss any data ? Jan 12 05:56:22 yes TheFatal - there is a howto Jan 12 05:56:33 where ? :D Jan 12 05:56:55 http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+howto+boot+from+mmc Jan 12 05:56:59 i do not know which is current Jan 12 05:57:00 first song i put on n810 was portal Jan 12 05:57:17 pupnik: strictly speaking, that doesn't do what he is asking Jan 12 05:57:24 TheFatal, what device do you have Jan 12 05:57:30 N810 Jan 12 05:58:20 pupnik, wiki.maemo.org is usually the right answer. Jan 12 05:58:30 oki. good point GeneralAntilles Jan 12 05:58:44 i know hotto boot from a flash card, what i do not know is howto move the O.S. to a mmc Jan 12 05:58:55 ds3, how not? Jan 12 05:59:07 TheFatal, booting from SD is a bit involved. Jan 12 05:59:28 My recommendation is to remove a couple applications you don't need for the time being. Jan 12 05:59:59 GeneralAntilles: The kernel and initrd at still on NAND flash Jan 12 06:00:12 but i have not too much app installed Jan 12 06:00:21 ds3, yeesh, talk about splitting hairs. :P Jan 12 06:00:49 In his case, booting from SD fulfills every requirement he's after. Jan 12 06:00:58 GeneralAntilles: I would call it confusing terminology... the OMAP2 can boot entirely off NAND like on the beagle board but that isn't what is being described there Jan 12 06:01:21 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25714&highlight=install+tools Jan 12 06:01:29 thats the easiest way i have used so far Jan 12 06:01:48 I wish penguinbait would either write up a wiki article. Jan 12 06:02:03 I haven't tried his methods, so I can't vouch for them. Jan 12 06:02:13 i have used console tools Jan 12 06:02:23 easiest and quickest solution i have used as of yet Jan 12 06:02:53 just use pbeasy Jan 12 06:02:56 and its really easy Jan 12 06:03:06 Shadow____X: something like that Jan 12 06:03:11 what Jan 12 06:03:20 something like that what i want Jan 12 06:03:22 clone the OS Jan 12 06:03:38 that will help you clone the os to the 2gig internal sd Jan 12 06:03:49 or external sd Jan 12 06:04:08 can to a 1 gb external sd ? Jan 12 06:04:24 can i clone the os to the external sd ? Jan 12 06:04:33 yeah i guess it really all depends on how much you want to isntall Jan 12 06:04:41 if you just want afew more mb of room Jan 12 06:04:46 just delete stuff Jan 12 06:05:34 ok, so if i have a 8gb external sd, i have space for life :P Jan 12 06:05:41 not for life Jan 12 06:05:48 but you might not even need it Jan 12 06:06:02 like i have my os cloned to my 2gb internal and i have more than enough room Jan 12 06:06:09 and i have over 100 apps installed Jan 12 06:06:34 ok, i will try... Jan 12 06:06:49 what do you want to install right now Jan 12 06:07:15 now updates Jan 12 06:07:29 and you ran out of room Jan 12 06:09:08 but after that, apps to internet access, movies players, music players, games, and start whit dev apps Jan 12 06:09:56 if you are selective and selete stuff you dont need youll have room for a decent amount of apps Jan 12 06:10:15 are you experienced with atleast some linux Jan 12 06:10:23 or are you just starting out Jan 12 06:10:47 if you are just startying out i would recomment just keep learning the ropes before you try and do an os clone Jan 12 06:10:51 but thats just me Jan 12 06:11:43 i know fedora, no debian Jan 12 06:12:02 but for the device there is not exist OS Jan 12 06:12:04 ah alright Jan 12 06:12:12 then use the link i sent you Jan 12 06:12:24 yes, i'm reading Jan 12 06:13:43 other question... (i wanna learn ;) ) can i set the external sd to swap... ?? Jan 12 06:13:58 like swapon /dev/mmcblk1 Jan 12 06:14:25 you can already do that in control panel Jan 12 06:14:46 so it is possible :) Jan 12 06:14:51 TheFatal, i believe so Jan 12 06:14:55 but i have not tried Jan 12 06:15:01 so cant verify or confirm Jan 12 06:15:14 whit a secondary partition i will try Jan 12 06:15:33 ... partition. I will try Jan 12 06:19:55 so uh i am having an issue making a symlink Jan 12 06:20:29 isnt it ln -s what i want mounted /where i wanted it mounted Jan 12 06:23:26 i wonder if exist an app like htop Jan 12 06:26:03 is there a reason why i cant mount /home/usr.MyDocs/Remote_Filesystem somewhere Jan 12 06:26:50 i am trying to symlink it to the intermal memory Jan 12 06:27:07 is it because it has fat32 on it Jan 12 06:27:28 probably Jan 12 06:32:19 why apt-get purge do not work ? Jan 12 06:32:31 apt-get clean ? Jan 12 06:32:39 purge Jan 12 06:32:44 dont know Jan 12 06:32:44 purge do not work Jan 12 06:32:56 but if you want to purge a sepcificpackage use dpkg Jan 12 06:33:23 fat32 doesnt support symbolic links :( Jan 12 06:37:19 anyone know the size of screw are on the sides of a n810 Jan 12 06:40:04 do you want to remove it ? Jan 12 06:41:29 no it keeps coming loose Jan 12 06:41:30 lol Jan 12 06:41:39 xD Jan 12 06:43:31 TheFatal, are you using apt-get --purge remove ? Jan 12 06:44:37 no Jan 12 06:44:44 apt-get purge Jan 12 06:44:58 but it did not work Jan 12 06:45:08 it do not work yet Jan 12 06:46:02 How can be than nokia maps do not have some little argentina citys like mine? :S Jan 12 06:49:04 ou, low battery... -.- Jan 12 06:53:16 * TheFatal did not find the charger, so his N810 off Jan 12 06:53:39 ah Jan 12 06:53:45 you can buy another one Jan 12 06:53:45 lol Jan 12 06:53:48 xD Jan 12 06:54:06 in argentina this device do not exist Jan 12 06:54:06 lol Jan 12 06:54:17 ah so how did you get it Jan 12 06:54:29 ;) contacts Jan 12 06:54:42 ah so your from argentina? Jan 12 06:54:48 yes Jan 12 06:55:07 that is why my english is a little horrible Jan 12 06:55:08 :P Jan 12 06:55:17 ah alright Jan 12 06:55:21 hey your learning Jan 12 06:55:24 youll get there Jan 12 06:55:54 :) Jan 12 06:56:22 anyway goodnight Jan 12 06:56:29 goodnight Jan 12 06:56:37 mounted a remote share gonna abuse bandwith and stream Jan 12 06:56:38 :D Jan 12 06:56:41 xD Jan 12 06:57:07 i have 256, so that it's a little difficult Jan 12 06:57:07 :P Jan 12 06:57:13 and 5 am... Jan 12 06:57:38 still in bathroom Jan 12 06:57:39 jeje Jan 12 06:58:29 i belive than wifi is the best of the best inventions Jan 12 06:58:31 ;) Jan 12 07:21:27 did anybody port wireshark to maemo already? Jan 12 07:52:38 TheFatal: bluetooth is actually better Jan 12 07:52:50 did anyone write an ssh-agent script already? Jan 12 07:53:10 to start it as a system service, but still ask for the password in X correctly? Jan 12 07:56:51 the trick is I want to set up an ssh tunnel from xinetd Jan 12 07:56:57 so it has to be started before it Jan 12 07:58:23 and also has to set environment variables both for user and root Jan 12 08:05:03 how would i setup fstab to use swap Jan 12 08:12:11 Is MerEcho theme in repo? Jan 12 08:16:13 Meiz_n810: no, but titan is Jan 12 08:16:32 ok Jan 12 08:16:51 Meiz_n810: apt-get dist-upgrade should be safe now, and you can apt-get remove xserver-xorg and replace with xserver-xomap Jan 12 08:16:59 for speedier X Jan 12 08:17:39 ookay Jan 12 08:17:43 tricks needed for touchscreen? Jan 12 08:17:46 nop Jan 12 08:18:02 well, not on your part, but on my part :P Jan 12 08:18:12 ok Jan 12 08:19:00 a n810 with swap is is wayyy better Jan 12 08:21:03 Shadow_M: now, that's nothing new :) Jan 12 08:21:25 Meiz_n810: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/screenshot06.png Jan 12 08:21:33 for me it is guess i am playing vatch up Jan 12 08:22:01 Stskeeps: still no l10n file? Jan 12 08:22:06 i saw that @ itT Jan 12 08:23:33 AStorm: the fucky part is there -is- a l10n file Jan 12 08:23:40 i just have no clue why it isn't picking it up Jan 12 08:23:55 maybe wrong filename? Jan 12 08:30:48 looks correct, but we'll see Jan 12 08:30:55 we're going good leaps towards 0.6 at least :P Jan 12 08:33:29 Stskeeps, yeah, will be AFK for a couple hours, but will get the final touches to first-boot-wizard done tonight Jan 12 08:34:00 johnx: alright, - should we switch to Xomap in the next release, but allow people to install xorg if they so desire? Jan 12 08:34:47 let's talk when you're back :) Jan 12 08:35:03 ok, sounds good Jan 12 08:38:19 i just read that n810 wimax was end-of-life Jan 12 08:38:28 that was short Jan 12 08:38:35 yeah Jan 12 08:38:47 doesn't mean the devices are useless though Jan 12 08:38:52 they are n810s after all Jan 12 08:39:29 well, even n800 isn't all that useless Jan 12 08:40:15 I hope they don't hurry with the n900. I just bought a new computer and if nokia comes out with n900 soon my wallet will cry :) Jan 12 08:48:54 morning all Jan 12 08:49:22 morning aquatix Jan 12 08:50:07 * aquatix starts saving for a nokia n900 and a palm pre Jan 12 08:50:12 next gen stuff++ Jan 12 08:51:06 what OS does palm pre run? Jan 12 08:51:50 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html <- more info Jan 12 08:51:58 their own linux-based OS Jan 12 08:52:24 now what's it called again... Jan 12 08:52:35 10 bucks it's locked down completely Jan 12 08:52:42 actually, no Jan 12 08:52:49 http://mytreo.net/treo-and-palm-news/palm-pre-video-exposes-all-exclusive/ <- some really interesting demo's Jan 12 08:53:01 and they have some decent concepts in it Jan 12 08:54:02 as in, non-replacable firmware Jan 12 08:54:02 :P Jan 12 08:54:10 ah Jan 12 08:54:16 dunno actually :) Jan 12 08:54:26 * aquatix wouldn't mind having a maemo-y phone Jan 12 08:54:36 but that Pre actually looks rather nice Jan 12 08:54:56 so, scrap that n97 :) Jan 12 08:55:11 wonder how hackable the OS is though Jan 12 08:55:19 and how much is supported by default Jan 12 08:55:37 moo all Jan 12 08:55:41 wtf @ people making 19 page pdf presentations for 10 minute presentations Jan 12 08:55:43 heya Jan 12 08:55:47 Stskeeps: whoa Jan 12 08:56:06 that's going to be horrid to watch Jan 12 08:56:49 i mean, you usually say a minute per slide Jan 12 08:57:17 to go in sufficient depth with it Jan 12 08:57:23 i like those where the guy has 3 slides for 45 minutes; 1 with `hello', 1 with a few bullet points and one with `questions?' Jan 12 08:57:35 and still have a great talk Jan 12 08:57:53 it's a bit unnerving to have to focus on the speaker though ;) Jan 12 09:00:03 aquatix: yeah, - especially when the 80% rule comes in .. 80% people are asleep at a conference, 10% are asians asking obvious questions, and 10% have to look awake cos they're the chairs of the session Jan 12 09:00:22 asleep/doing something else at their laptops/dozing off Jan 12 09:07:32 palm doing linux? hoo-ray! Jan 12 09:07:57 won't save them Jan 12 09:09:08 "You will not be saved by the god plutonium" Jan 12 09:09:08 - Prince of Darkness Jan 12 09:09:10 lol @ e-mail at work. "We need the coffee pots back -now-. The student helpers can't make coffee for exam sessions" Jan 12 09:10:01 Bring your own! Jan 12 09:11:05 RST38h: professors without their shots of caffeine are horrid to have exams with Jan 12 09:14:34 Hehe, Lenovo ThinkPad's battery just died. Says "battery error occurred, can't charge battery" Jan 12 09:14:43 That has been about 3 months Jan 12 09:16:06 What kind of warranty do they have on their batteries now? Jan 12 09:16:16 No idea, it is probably all in Chinese Jan 12 09:19:44 which thinkpad RST38h ? Jan 12 09:23:32 pupnik: T61 Jan 12 09:24:07 has nice keyboard RST38h ? Jan 12 09:24:22 oh, it does Jan 12 09:24:28 only X61 is nicer :) Jan 12 09:25:14 <_berto_> and X61s :p Jan 12 09:25:26 and X61t Jan 12 09:25:28 :) Jan 12 09:26:37 seems unlikely that X series kbd would beat the t SERIES Jan 12 09:26:52 ok i'm disabling caps lock Jan 12 09:27:00 and swapping ctrl/fn Jan 12 09:27:26 that is the greatest ibm/lenovo mistake. "fn" right under the littlest finger Jan 12 09:28:45 it's the same keyboard Jan 12 09:28:47 :P Jan 12 09:29:02 but the other stuff is better Jan 12 09:32:52 <_berto_> I really have no problems with the Fn key Jan 12 09:33:09 <_berto_> and I'm a hardcore emacs user :) Jan 12 09:33:59 t_s_o: mer is the way it is because a "yes, we'll keep on patching and patching a diablo firmware image" .. i'm not hellbent on replacing every single closed source bit Jan 12 09:34:18 + that firmware image distribution wouldn't be sustainable Jan 12 09:34:33 forgot a subsentence there :) Jan 12 09:35:03 heh, sorry if i have gotten the wrong impression then, it just seems right now like its rebuilding maemo from the ground up Jan 12 09:35:18 t_s_o: we are in some ways, but it's also to get rid of some cruft Jan 12 09:35:27 pupnik: Not using its keyboard (it kinda sucks too). Not using its screen (it is ugly 16:9 and looks faded) Jan 12 09:35:35 while in reality we are reusing 70% of maemo components Jan 12 09:35:48 pupnik: It is plugged inyto a docking station and as of this morning I am not even using its battery Jan 12 09:35:59 i guess ill understand it more ones i see screenshots that basically look like the avarage diablo screen. right now it looks like its shaved to the dirt... Jan 12 09:36:07 Just wishing I had got an HP laptop instead Jan 12 09:36:30 t_s_o: yeah, but what people also don't realize is that now typical linux tricks work :) Jan 12 09:36:45 if you want to run abiword, and you're ok with it not being hildonized, just apt-get it Jan 12 09:37:04 or get that fresh new JDK port Jan 12 09:37:17 except not having menu sucks :P Jan 12 09:37:24 heh, maybe put up a screenshot of said abiword running then, as it seems many are waiting for one that works Jan 12 09:37:26 AStorm: the menu is there always Jan 12 09:37:36 I mean, app menu Jan 12 09:37:39 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.5/Screenshot-2.png Jan 12 09:37:50 t_s_o: and i did :) Jan 12 09:38:03 and i have yet to see that on the forum ;) Jan 12 09:38:11 it is in the screenshots thread Jan 12 09:38:11 :P Jan 12 09:38:16 btw, i removed a certain huge ~something dir from home Jan 12 09:38:22 hm Jan 12 09:38:23 all i see is that bare bones mer desktop with one icon to the side and maybe 3 icons up top... Jan 12 09:38:25 and now am missing some images Jan 12 09:38:45 e.g. rmb ticky and a few in balloons Jan 12 09:39:05 which package should I reinstall? Jan 12 09:39:32 t_s_o: admittedly some things are missing, but having a stable and themable hildon-desktop, where it's "just another session" along with LXDE, XFCE, KDE, etc is a good step Jan 12 09:40:08 in other words, the impression i have gotten of mer so far is if not wrong, badly slanted... Jan 12 09:40:13 hehe Jan 12 09:40:31 compared to the fact a couple of months we had a console only ;) Jan 12 09:40:36 +ago Jan 12 09:40:55 whee, menu doesn't fit Jan 12 09:41:13 well, we should have our gtk fixed to autohildonize such Jan 12 09:41:21 as much as possible Jan 12 09:41:21 hmm, seems i really have not payed much attention to the screenshots thread lately... Jan 12 09:42:30 AStorm: stuff like that should be possible, i guess :P Jan 12 09:42:35 but i dunno Jan 12 09:44:27 AStorm: ooh, autohildonising Jan 12 09:45:02 it was just a bad design decision on part of Nokia :P Jan 12 09:45:19 t_s_o: but yes, mer is a bit radical compared to the idea of "patching firmware images" Jan 12 09:45:20 so that we get to relink a klot of stuff and mark things explicitly Jan 12 09:45:29 (which btw, is absolutely shit to maintain) Jan 12 09:45:32 the wxGTK port was the right thing Jan 12 09:48:23 ugh, seems my rant got a thanks, whiskey tango foxtrot to the nth degree... Jan 12 09:49:01 t_s_o: in any case, we're at a place in Mer where we can use fremantle widgets and we're quite API compatible with Maemo, so :) Jan 12 09:49:17 * Stskeeps likes the new file chooser Jan 12 09:49:55 hmm, to change, or not to change... Jan 12 09:50:09 im not really tempted to flash my tablet right now... Jan 12 09:50:30 hehe. wait a little bit till we get a proper wifi applet going Jan 12 09:50:36 it's a bitch without it :) Jan 12 09:51:30 ah, i knew there was something missing ;) Jan 12 09:52:18 Stskeeps: new file chooser? Jan 12 09:52:26 you have a screenshot of it? Jan 12 09:52:29 Sts: Maybe you can add some code that automatically converts Gnome menus into hildon ones? =) Jan 12 09:52:36 or a url to that screenshot thread :) Jan 12 09:52:40 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/screenshot04.png Jan 12 09:52:51 (when themes were broken) Jan 12 09:52:59 the top icon is supposed to be an arrrow Jan 12 09:52:59 :S Jan 12 09:53:12 Sts: it shows 3 files per screen? =) Jan 12 09:53:37 RST38h: kinetic scrolling though Jan 12 09:53:59 in any case, noone said it was the final widgets Jan 12 09:54:08 what if I have got 100+ files in a directory? =) Jan 12 09:54:18 hehe Jan 12 09:54:23 no clue Jan 12 09:54:31 it might be special cos its a images directory Jan 12 09:54:38 true... Jan 12 09:55:20 ugh, i hope any kind of kinetic scrolling in the main ui will be either tweakable or basically a one tap checkbox to turn off... Jan 12 09:56:03 or better yet, patchable ;) Jan 12 09:56:23 huh? Jan 12 09:57:32 nah Jan 12 09:57:40 options are better than patches Jan 12 09:58:10 gconf toggle would be nice enough Jan 12 09:58:12 t_s_o: as in, it's slightly easier to take in patches in stuff like Mer, to enable options for it Jan 12 09:58:32 heh, true that Jan 12 09:58:34 but vice versa in maemo Jan 12 09:58:35 so Jan 12 09:58:51 <`Mace> ugh Jan 12 09:58:57 Stskeeps: Any idea why they added 32bit support to sapwood last week? :) Jan 12 09:59:07 <`Mace> i still think the developers of skype lite should be lined up and shot Jan 12 09:59:17 <`Mace> all i can do is hope fring or nimbuzz makes something that works in android and does true voip Jan 12 09:59:19 X-Fade: nop. i'm perfectly happy wih 16bit ;) Jan 12 09:59:41 X-Fade: it's probably to make it more portable or whatever. Jan 12 09:59:44 `Mace, eh? it works... somewhat Jan 12 09:59:50 w/o video yet though Jan 12 09:59:52 Stskeeps: Or .... Jan 12 09:59:55 <`Mace> for android ;) Jan 12 09:59:58 X-Fade: but the author sits in this channel anyhow :P Jan 12 10:00:04 <`Mace> android ver calls a special # Jan 12 10:00:08 <`Mace> uses your skype credit to do so Jan 12 10:00:15 <`Mace> it is retarded Jan 12 10:00:22 Btw it is also nice to see a lot of MAEMO_CHANGES gone in gtk/gdk.. Jan 12 10:00:23 <`Mace> and uses cell minutes Jan 12 10:00:25 ugh Jan 12 10:01:03 X-Fade: yeah, there's a great deal that should go upstream Jan 12 10:01:05 <`Mace> it is disgusting.. i could understand if it is against tmobiles tos to not use their data path for voip Jan 12 10:01:14 X-Fade: Well, there is a reason for RGBA Jan 12 10:01:23 <`Mace> but they don't even give you the option to use your wifi for it :) you are forced to call this forwarding number .. which is rather ghetto Jan 12 10:01:36 RST38h: Alpha probably.. Jan 12 10:01:38 X-Fade: Nokia appears to be changing to RGBA as a standard for all their S60 smartphones Jan 12 10:01:40 <`Mace> it is an absolute disappointment Jan 12 10:01:56 X-Fade: For example, 5800 no longer appears to even allow 16bpp mode Jan 12 10:02:05 `Mace: heh, one more reason to like skype on tablets Jan 12 10:02:17 <`Mace> Stskeeps - yeah ;) Jan 12 10:02:23 RST38h: But it seems that the screen is still 16bit native. So you get banding or need dithering. Jan 12 10:02:25 <`Mace> at least n800 uses it like it's supposed to Jan 12 10:02:27 * Stskeeps uses it to talk to gf an it functions ok Jan 12 10:02:32 X-Fade: The LCD in 5800 is physically a 24bpp LCD Jan 12 10:02:34 <`Mace> i wish we had wimax here i'd get a wimax n810 Jan 12 10:02:42 <`Mace> android is pretty awesome tho Jan 12 10:02:43 even with it going EOL? Jan 12 10:02:44 :P Jan 12 10:02:58 X-Fade: We do not really know what the N9x0 screen will be Jan 12 10:03:20 X-Fade: Maybe they really want it to be 24bpp (because a hires camera is being included) Jan 12 10:03:31 RST38h: I'm all for it ;) Jan 12 10:03:34 X-Fade: but maybe they just want this as an option Jan 12 10:03:56 X-Fade: Actually, I would like a 16bpp option. It is twice less data to move Jan 12 10:04:00 <`Mace> when is the n900 due out? Jan 12 10:04:01 Maybe for the N900 Pro edition deluxe [tm] ;) Jan 12 10:04:15 <`Mace> haha Jan 12 10:04:31 <`Mace> pro edition deluxe huh? :) Jan 12 10:05:12 `Mace: Sure, a modular system ;) Jan 12 10:05:19 with shaver and beer cooler Jan 12 10:05:28 and espresso capsule Jan 12 10:05:58 <`Mace> haha Jan 12 10:06:58 meh, now i wish they had a real espresso machine here Jan 12 10:07:27 Ok, so, I have an MP3 stream that I've added to the Media Player. However, unlike the nice BBC RealMedia streams, MP decides that it wants to buffer a button of data before playing. Can I tell it not to buffer so much? Jan 12 10:09:09 aquatix, i think there's an app for the iphone that displays and sounds like a shaver (if you drive a car and the police stops you you can always say "i didn't call, i shaved") Jan 12 10:09:14 so it's not that unrealistic ;-) Jan 12 10:09:44 ghehehe Jan 12 10:09:47 <`Mace> hahahahaha Jan 12 10:09:51 cops aren't *that* stupid Jan 12 10:09:54 <`Mace> god help the cop that falls for that shit Jan 12 10:09:54 how pathetic Jan 12 10:10:01 <`Mace> AStorm - you would be amazed... Jan 12 10:10:02 better excuse is to say "it's my gps" Jan 12 10:10:06 do iphone user think that'd work? :) Jan 12 10:10:11 `Mace, not around here Jan 12 10:10:31 andre___: what's your attitude to bugs that will show up in their next SDK iteration? (i have a silly problem with hildon-desktop and dbus-glib that happens when you use their 0.78 instead, which is in SVN :) Jan 12 10:10:37 <`Mace> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dos1bm_tU_k Jan 12 10:10:39 a crashy problem :> Jan 12 10:10:41 * aquatix thinks it's stupid to drive around with a phone to your ear anyway; there are bt headsets for that Jan 12 10:10:47 <`Mace> an example of how good cops are at doing their job :) Jan 12 10:10:51 yeah Jan 12 10:11:04 it's not like those headsets are uberexpensive or something Jan 12 10:11:05 and also, bluetooth audio Jan 12 10:11:20 need more bluetooth enabled car audio systems Jan 12 10:11:20 Stskeeps, just file them and set version to 5.0, and write in the report that it's from svn :-P Jan 12 10:11:24 hehe, okay Jan 12 10:11:26 gimme bugs! Jan 12 10:11:59 AStorm: i preferred a bt headset over a bt car stereo Jan 12 10:12:16 now i'm actually comprehensible over the phone ;) Jan 12 10:12:27 it's illegal to use headphones in a car here for a driver Jan 12 10:12:47 <`Mace> AStorm - does that mean deaf people aren't allowed to drive? Jan 12 10:12:50 (except ear aids) Jan 12 10:13:03 `Mace, totally deaf usually aren't Jan 12 10:13:08 andre___: hmm. there's no version 5.0 Jan 12 10:13:11 <`Mace> that's fucked up Jan 12 10:13:12 <`Mace> :) Jan 12 10:13:14 hearing aids are allowed Jan 12 10:13:21 not fucked up Jan 12 10:13:25 <`Mace> sure it is Jan 12 10:13:39 really, hearing is very useful still Jan 12 10:13:42 <`Mace> i could understand blind people not being able to Jan 12 10:13:52 <`Mace> and considering how some people play music in their cars Jan 12 10:13:53 AStorm: head *set*, just a small thingee in one ear Jan 12 10:13:57 <`Mace> they might as well be deaf anyways Jan 12 10:14:10 on one ear in my case even, you hear everything around you still Jan 12 10:14:13 aquatix, might work, haven't triedd Jan 12 10:14:17 <`Mace> but not allowing deaf people to drive sounds like a law suit waiting to happen Jan 12 10:14:25 <`Mace> most places don't give you a hearing test to get a lic Jan 12 10:14:32 Stskeeps, component? Jan 12 10:14:46 `Mace, you might get a special licence Jan 12 10:14:50 but I'm not sure Jan 12 10:14:53 Stskeeps, I know. I've been quite conservative with that stuff; only added 5.0 for the Dev platform itself Jan 12 10:14:59 <`Mace> lol.. i wonder what IL has to say about it Jan 12 10:15:02 see, many important signals are aural Jan 12 10:15:04 <`Mace> then again.. you can just pay off our gov Jan 12 10:15:06 e.g. sirens Jan 12 10:15:08 <`Mace> and get lic :) Jan 12 10:15:14 <`Mace> oh wait.. that was the last one Jan 12 10:15:19 <`Mace> you can pay this one for senate seats Jan 12 10:15:21 `Mace: yeah, i think that if deaf people are trained well and keep an eye on things, they're just fine on the road Jan 12 10:15:35 AStorm: there's flashes too Jan 12 10:15:43 yeah Jan 12 10:15:49 see them from behind Jan 12 10:15:51 <`Mace> aquatix - i know.. i can't see why someone who is deaf could be denied a lic Jan 12 10:15:58 they don't have the same range Jan 12 10:16:10 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/25329027/ Jan 12 10:16:11 they where testing sirens on car stereos here btw, so might be able to do something similar with a blinking led in the car of a dead person Jan 12 10:16:12 hehe Jan 12 10:16:19 andre___: hildon app framework and such Jan 12 10:16:33 AStorm: i see the flashes before i hear the sirens generally Jan 12 10:16:33 <`Mace> that is an easy solution Jan 12 10:16:34 aquatix: Are dead legally allowed to drive where you live? Jan 12 10:16:37 when in my car Jan 12 10:16:44 RST38h: erm, no, i think not Jan 12 10:16:45 <`Mace> they just need to send out a signal Jan 12 10:16:47 not sure though :) Jan 12 10:16:50 aquatix, well, you're deaf or sth ;) Jan 12 10:16:53 oh lol Jan 12 10:17:00 <`Mace> it might be something to add to all cars anyways Jan 12 10:17:03 RST38h: stupid typo ;) Jan 12 10:17:04 or they don't use them Jan 12 10:17:10 <`Mace> sometimes it is hard to tell where a siren is coming from around a corner Jan 12 10:17:13 aquatix: A pity if they ain't though Jan 12 10:17:19 <`Mace> the flashing light in a car would be good to have Jan 12 10:17:29 <`Mace> until some hax0ring jackass figures out how to send it out on his cell phone Jan 12 10:18:02 hahaha Jan 12 10:18:02 like with fm modulators Jan 12 10:18:02 <`Mace> and fucks everybody up haha Jan 12 10:18:02 RST38h: yeah, i want to be able to drive my car when returning as undead Jan 12 10:18:02 Stskeeps, here you go Jan 12 10:18:02 andre___: thank you Jan 12 10:18:27 the fun part is sending a siren over some radio frequency of local radio station Jan 12 10:18:34 fun for the whole family Jan 12 10:19:35 these have a range of a few meters Jan 12 10:20:55 it's almost legal too Jan 12 10:22:07 <`Mace> wtf! Jan 12 10:22:17 <`Mace> http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/drivers/programs/gdl.html Jan 12 10:22:24 <`Mace> All occupants under age 19 must wear safety belts. Jan 12 10:22:47 <`Mace> i could have SWORN.. there was a law FORCING you to wear a seatbeld in IL now Jan 12 10:23:04 not wearing a seatbelt is just stupid anyhow Jan 12 10:23:45 just under 19? Jan 12 10:23:46 andre___: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 <- spent two days this weekend on this thing :) Jan 12 10:23:52 here it's mandatory for all Jan 12 10:24:09 AStorm: here too Jan 12 10:24:19 Stskeeps, was that an implicit "high priority, please" statement? :-P Jan 12 10:24:32 and small children have to use children seats or what's their name Jan 12 10:24:48 <`Mace> Stskeeps - i know... :) but still.. Jan 12 10:24:52 andre___: hehe, no, i fixed it in our branch and provided it as a gesture for them :) Jan 12 10:25:00 <`Mace> i don't believe it is the government's job to babysit its citizens Jan 12 10:25:09 andre___: as they'll run into it at some point themselves Jan 12 10:25:25 <`Mace> which is why i usually oppose drug enforcement Jan 12 10:25:25 yaya, a bug is a testcase not written yet :-) Jan 12 10:25:45 `Mace, well, you're right Jan 12 10:25:48 <`Mace> who is the government to say that it is ok for a woman to have an abortion.. but it is not ok for someone to shoot heroin? Jan 12 10:25:50 Mace: Right. Remove all warning labels and start a voluntary euthanasia program, preferably on the equal opportunity principle Jan 12 10:26:01 <`Mace> A person under the age of 21 who is found guilty or granted court supervision for a violation of state law or local ordinance relating to illegal consumption, possession, purchase or receipt of alcohol, regardless of whether a vehicle was involved will face a loss of driving privileges, Jan 12 10:26:08 RST38h, warning labels are ok Jan 12 10:26:16 <`Mace> underage drinking means you lose your ability to drive even if you weren't driving? Jan 12 10:26:19 <`Mace> that is idiotic :) Jan 12 10:26:22 AStorm: no, I absolutely INSIST on removing ALL warning labels! Jan 12 10:26:28 `Mace, yeah Jan 12 10:26:30 `Mace: because drugs are bad mmkay? Jan 12 10:26:34 RST38h, why? Jan 12 10:26:37 <`Mace> aquatix - says who? Jan 12 10:26:37 AStorm: Let Darwin harvest the idiots first!@ Jan 12 10:26:41 RST38h: :) Jan 12 10:26:42 <`Mace> :) Jan 12 10:26:47 `Mace: driving on a bike while drunk here causes you to loose your drivers license too Jan 12 10:26:49 nah, that won't work Jan 12 10:26:56 `Mace: that southpark teacher, last i saw ;) Jan 12 10:26:57 <`Mace> Stskeeps - hahah seriously? Jan 12 10:27:00 Sts: Bike drivers license? Jan 12 10:27:01 Stskeeps, same here Jan 12 10:27:05 <`Mace> hahaha Jan 12 10:27:07 RST38h: no, car driver licenses Jan 12 10:27:07 `Mace: but i don't care if you use them Jan 12 10:27:09 no, driver's licence Jan 12 10:27:13 if you have one Jan 12 10:27:14 <`Mace> i don't aquatix Jan 12 10:27:20 so don't show it Jan 12 10:27:28 What if you dont have a drivers license for a car? Do they issue you one and take it away? Jan 12 10:27:39 <`Mace> but i don't see how a woman can have a "right to choose" .. and it is not the same thing as not being allowed to do whatever you want to YOUR body Jan 12 10:28:00 RST38h: think it's something along the lines if you were irresponsible enough to bike drunk, you'd be as well driving.. Jan 12 10:28:02 <`Mace> if a woman's body is her own.. and she has a right to an abortion on the basis of "it's my body and I can do what i want" Jan 12 10:28:09 <`Mace> then why can't people use drugs under the same principle? Jan 12 10:28:10 RST38h, no, you get fined Jan 12 10:28:19 RST38h: here that depends on the offense, but you can be denied a license for some years then Jan 12 10:28:25 and maybe even loose the car Jan 12 10:28:37 Horror Jan 12 10:28:47 nazi countries Jan 12 10:28:51 `Mace: well, you are allowed to use drugs, just not buy or possess them ;) Jan 12 10:28:57 it's like that almost everywhere :( Jan 12 10:29:04 in a nazi country you would be shot for biking drunk! Jan 12 10:29:16 RST38h: you aren't Jan 12 10:29:18 ? Jan 12 10:29:21 (at the spot) Jan 12 10:29:51 aquatix: I do not bike, so it is ok with me Jan 12 10:30:04 RST38h, nah, even Nazis didn't do that Jan 12 10:30:04 :P Jan 12 10:30:30 AStorm: they just confiscated the bike Jan 12 10:31:01 aquatix: What would they need a bike for? Jan 12 10:33:56 RST38h: oh, just a Dutch WW2 reference Jan 12 10:34:14 back then they actually had soldiers on bikes Jan 12 10:36:56 Good old times Jan 12 10:37:24 * RST38h wonders if nazis had any cavalry in WW2 Jan 12 10:38:34 heh Jan 12 10:38:40 maybe Jan 12 10:38:54 quickly outdated by their tank battillions though Jan 12 10:40:30 <`Mace> ok.. what the fuck... Jan 12 10:40:33 <`Mace> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cc3_1231560680 Jan 12 10:40:57 <`Mace> japanese people are just strange sometimes Jan 12 10:41:11 * aquatix is having some lunch Jan 12 10:41:39 <`Mace> hm.. i can't find a good channel to ask about my abortion v drug use issue :) Jan 12 10:41:48 <`Mace> guess there aren't too many legal channels on irc out there huh? Jan 12 10:45:15 irc is chaotic, not lawful ;) Jan 12 10:47:30 AStorm: irc is True Neutral. Jan 12 10:47:47 oh really? Jan 12 10:47:48 ;) Jan 12 10:47:58 what is Freenode then? Jan 12 10:48:13 Sure. Chaotic, but lots of laws get applied. Think of Godwin's Law, Sturgeon's Law... Jan 12 10:48:19 reminder: it's not oftc Jan 12 10:48:31 these laws are wrong, haha Jan 12 10:48:53 AStorm: well, yes. According to Sturgeon's law, 80% of all of them *must* be. Jan 12 10:49:14 including Sturgeon's law too? :) Jan 12 10:49:24 Canonically, yes. Jan 12 10:49:33 It is recursive. Jan 12 10:50:18 This does mean you need calculus to work out what proportion of everything *isn't* rubbish, of course. Jan 12 10:50:52 what have you guys been smoking ? Jan 12 10:50:55 lol Jan 12 10:50:57 morning Jan 12 10:51:03 chaos theory, more likely Jan 12 10:51:06 that calculus would be mostly rubbish too? Jan 12 10:51:10 calculus is not enough Jan 12 10:51:13 LinuxCode: just cigs Jan 12 10:51:28 glass, thats what they always say rofl Jan 12 10:51:49 "No officer" "I only smoked cigarettes!" Jan 12 10:51:50 we havent been smoking enough of it if we can still read Jan 12 10:51:58 lcuk, hehe Jan 12 10:52:06 smokey bacon mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Jan 12 10:52:12 bakin bacon with macon Jan 12 10:52:16 man I did a WD advanced replacement Jan 12 10:52:23 they are such idiots Jan 12 10:52:24 lcuk: you know you're not *supposed* to smoke bacon in a pipe, right? Jan 12 10:52:29 they lost the drive Jan 12 10:52:46 woohoo Jan 12 10:52:48 now I have to go about sending proof they had it Jan 12 10:52:58 LinuxCode: huh, sucks bigtime Jan 12 10:53:02 damn, i did wonder why it oinked at me when i shoved a pig in my pipe Jan 12 10:53:11 then he says..they tried to charge my credit card.... but they already locked funds before! Jan 12 10:53:11 LinuxCode: are they going to lose that proof too Jan 12 10:53:25 but im not here was just passing by, hi n bye linuxcode Jan 12 10:53:31 and every1 else Jan 12 10:53:33 glass, they wont be able to...said to scan it Jan 12 10:53:40 lcuk, later mate Jan 12 10:53:48 * LinuxCode needs to go up to the post office now Jan 12 11:33:14 * hanno wonders about the next version of the hardware Jan 12 11:33:23 any news on that one, yet? Jan 12 11:33:37 only rumours Jan 12 11:34:00 http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ Jan 12 11:34:35 Ok, thx. Jan 12 11:35:03 * hanno sold his N810 months ago in the hope getting the successor soon and suffers from serious withdrawal. Jan 12 11:35:21 ouch Jan 12 11:38:35 http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2009/01/interview-with-anssi-vanjoki.html Jan 12 11:38:53 "Anssi - Definitely not. We know the Touch technology inside out because we introduced the first product of this kind back in 2004 (Nokia 7710) and if you look at the Internet Tablet segment, it.s not dying at all, on the contrary . it.s our future. I remember saying at some launch even that it would take five generations of the Internet tablet devices to really make them mass consumer products . so far, we have launched only three generations Jan 12 11:40:33 noon all :) Jan 12 11:40:34 wazd: including your logo in splash now :) Jan 12 11:40:51 Stskeeps: whoa, cool :) Jan 12 11:41:09 Stskeeps: Can I post in my blog bout that?) Jan 12 11:41:15 hehe, in a bit :) Jan 12 11:44:27 waiting for it to get through the builder Jan 12 11:51:11 omg, 262 posts in "where is Nokia" theme Jan 12 11:51:28 yeah Jan 12 11:51:33 people will never get sick of flame)) Jan 12 11:51:55 qgil's statement that people should find their favourite app and help with it is true though :P Jan 12 11:52:11 the community is very fragmented and not very focused Jan 12 11:52:45 Stskeeps, well, I'm trying to help everybody who needs help) Jan 12 11:52:49 hehe, yeah Jan 12 11:52:53 and you're doing a great job :) Jan 12 11:52:56 Since I'm not the coder Jan 12 11:53:04 Stskeeps: hope so) Jan 12 11:53:18 moo wazd Jan 12 11:53:31 wazd: Can I ask you to make a few icons? =) Jan 12 11:53:33 but 5 pages of d-pad discussion, wtf seriously) Jan 12 11:53:42 RST38h: sure! Jan 12 11:53:59 d-pad is a sore topic, has been like that for months Jan 12 11:54:13 RST38h: I should definitely pay for my happy youth with Pocket PCs :D Jan 12 11:54:44 wazd: That is to Aaron Oneal, I think :) Jan 12 11:55:07 wazd: But if you have an S60 phone and/or Windows PC, you obviously get free copies =) Jan 12 11:55:11 wazd, im gonna take the brake pedel from your car. if you want to stop just wipe your hand on the windscreen Jan 12 11:55:58 lcuk: I didn't say I don't like d-pad, I always use it Jan 12 11:56:06 :D Jan 12 11:56:18 lcuk: but the fact is that hardware is already done Jan 12 11:56:27 lcuk: whts the point of flaming Jan 12 11:56:45 wazd: Anyways, need SVG icons for MG, iNES, and VGBA (the rest are kinda ok for now) Jan 12 11:56:48 lcuk: you should just wait and see it fr yourself Jan 12 11:56:51 Oh, ColEm too Jan 12 11:57:14 Primarily for Maemo packages but will use them for other ports if you allow Jan 12 11:57:30 wazd, im not waiting for anything :) Jan 12 11:57:56 RST38h: oh! I'll gladly help with it Jan 12 11:58:40 didnt someone just say that svg doesnt work on device? Jan 12 11:59:04 lcuk: Does not matter as I can render 3 bitmaps from SVG on the desktop and package them Jan 12 11:59:23 lcuk: that's SVG for rendering Jan 12 11:59:24 lcuk: S60 prefers SVG starting with the 3rd edition though Jan 12 11:59:25 top banana Jan 12 12:00:46 RST38h: should I juct draw consoles or maybe some uni-style will work?) Jan 12 12:00:52 yaay Phenom 2 in stores Jan 12 12:03:16 morning Jan 12 12:03:25 lo there) Jan 12 12:04:11 wazd: Drawing appropriate consoles sounds like the most obvious idea Jan 12 12:05:09 wazd: If you have a better one, shoot (can't draw game characters as they are copyrighted, probably not worth drawing abstract stuff, I did it with Speccy and it was kinda suboptimal) Jan 12 12:05:46 For ColEm, you can probably draw the ColecoVision logo - I do not think anyone will complain, because it is very generic Jan 12 12:06:32 Another idea would be to draw joystick controlelrs rather than consoles (Coleco and original SMS had very specific joypad designs) Jan 12 12:07:56 RST38h: well, sounds nice but then you still need to draw portable consoles :) Jan 12 12:08:03 Shadows/gradients better be avoided (Nokia's SVG renderer is very weak, so it dies on these) Jan 12 12:08:15 wazd: Yea, can't avoid this one Jan 12 12:08:54 RST38h: ok, I'll try some stuff, sounds easy to do Jan 12 12:08:57 But there is only one (GBA). For SMS you have a choice, Jan 12 12:09:13 RST38h: and simple GB Jan 12 12:09:27 For iNES you may *still* want to draw the console (US version) but also have a choice Jan 12 12:09:59 wazd: I have got GB already although if you feel that it needs improvement or facelift, go ahead (will send you current .svg tonight) Jan 12 12:12:24 RST38h: oh, ok, send it, I think it's ok, but still :) Jan 12 12:12:47 RST38h: so I can draw al;l icons in one style Jan 12 12:13:09 wazd: My original VGB .ico has actually been "borrowed" by at least one game designer =) Jan 12 12:13:14 wazd: -now- you can ;) Jan 12 12:13:41 wazd: Yes, feel welcome to do it - I can 100% promise that at least Maemo packages will use all the icons Jan 12 12:14:38 RST38h: nice :) Jan 12 12:14:42 how about drawing menus and controls with crayons Jan 12 12:14:45 and then scanning those Jan 12 12:14:58 sorry, i'm batty from crayon physics Jan 12 12:15:43 pupnik: crayon physics looks more like chalk physics btw :) Jan 12 12:17:01 crayons are actually chalks, a special kind Jan 12 12:17:55 RST38h: Well, same special kind as coal is actually a diamond :) Jan 12 12:17:56 pupnik: you will need better transparency and shaped windows support though because your menus will have non-rectangular shapes Jan 12 12:18:13 yea, in a way :) Jan 12 12:19:14 pupnik, agreed, we must also make it so that you can only start an app if you solve its puzzle ;) Jan 12 12:19:30 hahahahaha Jan 12 12:19:53 * pupnik registers "Terrible UI Labs, LTD" Jan 12 12:20:07 no worse than the apple click wheel Jan 12 12:20:07 I think crayon physics will rock with some acceleometer support Jan 12 12:20:18 imagine the fun you would have in the morning trying to stop your alarm clock Jan 12 12:20:39 lcuk: I've thought of that kind of alarm clock before) Jan 12 12:20:56 lcuk: with some puzzle to turn off :) Jan 12 12:21:16 they dont work - if the complexity of the problem is > removing backplate and battery then you know what will happen Jan 12 12:21:19 Crayon Physics needs some updates fast - new levels etc ;) Jan 12 12:21:29 and failing that, it can get expensive needing to buy a new one every day Jan 12 12:21:48 * RST38h is almost ready to buy a Wii controller Jan 12 12:22:04 why almost? ive had onefor think its 2 years now? Jan 12 12:22:51 I know I do not need it, that is why :) Jan 12 12:23:24 RST38h: you can try some mutitouch stuff ith it :) Jan 12 12:23:40 RST38h: or positioning Jan 12 12:24:40 or surprisingly :: game playing :) Jan 12 12:24:56 luck: thats lame :D Jan 12 12:25:44 yes, im such a traditionalist *rolleyes* Jan 12 12:25:54 Not playing any games lately. And I guess the positioning will not work without the Bar? Jan 12 12:26:27 RST38h: no it will Jan 12 12:26:31 RST38h, you have game console emulators - why have you wrote them if its not for use? Jan 12 12:26:38 What do you need the bar for then? Jan 12 12:26:59 http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/01/11/funny-pictures-wuzincup/ Jan 12 12:27:14 lcuk: Dunno, maybe I just like fiddling with obscure hardware and emulating it in a shoebox fullfills my megalomanian desires? Jan 12 12:27:18 the bar is for orientation and direction finding, wazd thinks hes cracked the problem nintendo engineers couldnt overcome ;) Jan 12 12:27:35 RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw Jan 12 12:27:50 RST38h: Bar is for lamers xD Jan 12 12:28:30 the guy does have the bar Jan 12 12:28:33 rst, dont get me wrong i think its great you have emulators, the idea of keeping a system alive is a powerful one :) i thought you played lots of games though Jan 12 12:29:00 wazd, his head is the sensorbar Jan 12 12:29:07 RST38h: Ah, wrong video Jan 12 12:29:16 its actually an emitter bar ;) Jan 12 12:29:24 Anyone use rrdtool? Jan 12 12:29:25 RST38h: Sensrbar is just a row of infrared leds Jan 12 12:29:36 2 Jan 12 12:29:46 Getting an error saying I need to "define at least one archive" >:( Jan 12 12:29:50 replace with candles or pinpricks in a curtain Jan 12 12:29:58 wazd: Ah, so it is simply a marker? Jan 12 12:30:05 cool Jan 12 12:30:23 lcuk: I did, once. Jan 12 12:31:36 This guy has replaced bar with 2 leds on the sides of special goggles Jan 12 12:31:52 pretty handy :) Jan 12 12:31:58 t_s_o: lol @ lolcat Jan 12 12:32:33 coffee, the lifeblood of the it industry... Jan 12 12:32:38 coffee in, code out ;) Jan 12 12:33:26 * johnx returns Jan 12 12:33:28 hey Stskeeps Jan 12 12:33:49 wb Jan 12 12:33:50 heh...that "sensorbar" can be replaced with any infrared source. a couple of candles work quite well :D Jan 12 12:33:53 there's also a multitouch example there Jan 12 12:33:59 johnx: i got splash working :) Jan 12 12:34:03 does maemo support someting else than fat16 for an external sd card? Jan 12 12:34:08 (on a n810) Jan 12 12:34:14 *something Jan 12 12:34:15 johnx, except it's a fire hazard Jan 12 12:34:21 Stskeeps, sounds great as long as I can disable it :> Jan 12 12:34:24 and has shorter range Jan 12 12:34:28 baaba: it can do ext2/3 too Jan 12 12:34:31 johnx: yeah, rescue menu Jan 12 12:34:39 AStorm, buzzkill :P Jan 12 12:34:40 but that doesn't work magically like fat Jan 12 12:34:42 or editing zrescue-menu to select another default mode Jan 12 12:34:57 ah okay, the magic is what i'm missing Jan 12 12:35:18 it's funny, because it always mounts ext3 cards automagically just fine Jan 12 12:35:24 only the first partition though Jan 12 12:35:24 oh Jan 12 12:35:34 in that case i might have been talking poo Jan 12 12:35:38 trying to streamline a bunch of setup things for a freshly flashed device Jan 12 12:35:42 * aquatix didn't try yet Jan 12 12:35:48 johnx: regarding X, Xomap seems to speed things up a tad for now, but it is entirely replacable Jan 12 12:35:56 johnx: you have an ext3 partition on it? Jan 12 12:36:07 or completely formatted it that way? Jan 12 12:36:08 (ie, you can always apt-get in the real X) Jan 12 12:36:10 who knows and low-lever restore software for SD cards?) Jan 12 12:36:14 level* Jan 12 12:36:35 none exists Jan 12 12:36:44 aquatix, yup, for mer my external card is just one ext3 partition. mounts even though I don't really want it to in OS2008 :) Jan 12 12:36:50 excluding electron microscope Jan 12 12:36:58 I've got one console and it has found bad sectors on my card Jan 12 12:37:06 johnx: ah Jan 12 12:37:12 johnx: that's neat Jan 12 12:37:14 johnx: so what should be default in images? Jan 12 12:37:22 wazd, your card will soon be dead Jan 12 12:37:30 johnx: so i can format my external card ext3 and have it work magically on my n810? Jan 12 12:37:36 with os2008? Jan 12 12:37:41 Astorm it already is actually)) Jan 12 12:37:48 Stskeeps, if someone installs xorg will it do the update-alternatives magic and become the default x server? Jan 12 12:38:13 johnx: i honestly don't think there is update-alternatives magic for it Jan 12 12:38:25 aquatix, yeah, I think it should be fine now that metalayer crawler doesn't die on symlinks :) Jan 12 12:38:32 i should probably add a Conflicts: xserver-xorg in xserver-xomap thoug Jan 12 12:38:32 h Jan 12 12:38:44 johnx: neat Jan 12 12:38:55 * aquatix hates fat Jan 12 12:39:04 no offence :P Jan 12 12:39:30 Stskeeps, yeah, guess debuntu's just setup for Xorg and nothing else *sigh* Jan 12 12:40:08 Stskeeps, a conflicts should be fine though. I guess that makes the most sense Jan 12 12:40:27 was it a pain getting xomap to build on builder? or did you end up just doing a binary package? Jan 12 12:40:32 binary Jan 12 12:40:58 not pretty but its pretty faithful :P Jan 12 12:41:04 yeah, seems fine for now. no point in getting bogged down fixing temporary stuff Jan 12 12:43:06 johnx: did you see what the bug was? a bloody sed line Jan 12 12:44:13 mmm Jan 12 12:44:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 Jan 12 12:44:15 yeah. that sucks. always the simple things...(except when sapwood is involved) Jan 12 12:44:28 johnx i had something to say to you but i cant remember now Jan 12 12:44:47 johnx: we should put in a fb_update_mode thing inside xf86-video-omapfb Jan 12 12:44:49 lcuk, about your app launcher? wiimotes? Jan 12 12:45:12 if i knew that i'd be able to say it lol, no it was last thing last night i think Jan 12 12:45:16 Stskeeps, have it install an init script maybe? Jan 12 12:45:36 johnx: well i was more thinking of inside the driver Jan 12 12:45:49 it does ioctl OMAPFB_SET_UPDATE_MODE on the fbdev anyway Jan 12 12:45:55 (fb_update_mode.c Jan 12 12:46:22 ah, well that's because you think like a programer and I think like a sys admin :P Jan 12 12:46:28 hehe Jan 12 12:47:18 damn thats annoying Jan 12 12:48:05 johnx: as xorg wouldn't work without the fb_update_mode being auto atm :) Jan 12 12:48:11 (ie, when splash is on) Jan 12 12:49:09 certainly the best solution is to lift the manual update code from Xomap to xorg-omapfb :) Jan 12 12:49:27 woo! a volunteer! :D Jan 12 12:55:47 can i somehow run a sh script from the file manager directly? Jan 12 12:56:00 as opposed to opening xterm and running it from there Jan 12 12:56:41 baaba, hmm, maybe check out dbus-switchboard. it lets you play with what launches files of certain mime-types. You could set one for .sh files Jan 12 13:02:51 I really hope Nokia is paying attention to that thread Quim started even though they're not hearing what they want to hear... Jan 12 13:05:21 johnx, that dbus-switchboard sounds interesting indeed Jan 12 13:05:54 lcuk, yeah, lots of nice "convenience" packages for working with dbus :) Jan 12 13:06:05 dbus-switchboard, dbus-scripts, conler (sp?) Jan 12 13:06:11 goddamn *notstraight* ISP! Jan 12 13:06:30 wazd, your ISP likes other ISPs? Jan 12 13:06:52 oh, or is it ITT forums then :) Jan 12 13:06:54 bloody isp ;) Jan 12 13:07:21 bloody ITT hosting) Jan 12 13:07:26 aah Jan 12 13:07:39 but my ISP still not straight anyway) Jan 12 13:08:13 They trying to replace XO switch for almost 3 months Jan 12 13:09:10 Stskeeps, can you change the description in Mer wiki page?) Jan 12 13:09:29 wazd: i plan to revamp the wiki pages when i'm done with my exams :P Jan 12 13:09:40 "Mer means ocean in French" - wrong) Jan 12 13:09:45 and write things up a little better ;) Jan 12 13:10:19 It means a sea? Jan 12 13:10:35 yep Jan 12 13:11:03 wazd: my dictionary says ocean, but also sea :P Jan 12 13:11:45 -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, we appear to have lost our Moscow based client server, and with it approximately 1600 users. We're looking into the issue now and should hopefully have both the server and the users back shortly. Apologies for the inconvenience. Thank you for using freenode and have a nice day. Jan 12 13:11:52 oh my :) Jan 12 13:12:04 oops, now where did that thing go? Jan 12 13:12:09 I just lost half the network it seems Jan 12 13:12:37 So, my guess is that some large hub or uplink in Moscwo just died Jan 12 13:12:54 or moscow got erradicated by a nuclear bomb! Jan 12 13:12:58 RST38h, 1600 users isnt much Jan 12 13:13:11 Stskeeps, no they had the gas turned off Jan 12 13:13:13 or pwer Jan 12 13:13:15 rofl Jan 12 13:13:18 by the Ukraine Jan 12 13:13:47 RST38h, would you mind going over and rebooting the hub? :D Jan 12 13:13:58 haha Jan 12 13:14:09 John, give him the keys... Jan 12 13:14:23 johnx: Given the traffic, NO. Jan 12 13:14:58 ITT is experiencing serious problems for me) Jan 12 13:15:24 tracert shows some bad stuff in Chicago Jan 12 13:15:27 wazd: works fine for me Jan 12 13:15:42 cant trace further Jan 12 13:15:45 internetpulse.com isn't screaming about anything major... Jan 12 13:16:16 496 ms * * p6-0-0.RAR2.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net [65.106.0.29] Jan 12 13:16:42 wazd: Same here Jan 12 13:17:14 well, it traces, but soooo slow Jan 12 13:18:38 * hanno asks for more speculation. Jan 12 13:19:10 Are there any guesses for a rough release date of the next hardware revision? Jan 12 13:19:10 hanno: hehe, fact is noone knows any facts Jan 12 13:19:10 hanno, on anything in particular? Jan 12 13:19:27 * hanno just wants the next device. Now. Jan 12 13:19:28 ah, nm, let's say "after march, before 2010" Jan 12 13:19:46 hanno: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle#Fremantle_timeline Jan 12 13:19:56 thx. Jan 12 13:20:05 if I had to rate probability, I'd say sometime before schools return from summer break in EU and US Jan 12 13:21:30 oh well. Jan 12 13:21:36 johnx: probably in expectation for new students Jan 12 13:21:43 netbook sales surge there normally Jan 12 13:21:47 Stskeeps, that was my thought :) Jan 12 13:22:18 * hanno got a Netbook but misses the "tablet" form factor. Jan 12 13:22:19 I mean August is like Christmas for Apple and Dell Jan 12 13:22:59 johnx: Not this year , most likely Jan 12 13:23:24 i'm trying to follow the instructions at: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image (using the block device) and when i try to mount, i get "jffs2: Too few erase blocks (0)" Jan 12 13:23:24 RST38h, huh? You think they'll get to a beta state in March/June and sit on it for 6 months? Jan 12 13:24:00 johnx: Nokia? No, Nokia will release stuff, no reason why they would not Jan 12 13:24:17 I am saying, few people will be buying it, given how things are going Jan 12 13:24:52 RST38h, aaah, about apple and dell. Dell will be glad they have a netbook out, apple probably won't have the best august ever, but anyone buying an apple had 1) a good reason or 2) money to burn anyways Jan 12 13:26:13 Stskeeps: is it ok if i'll post a 800x480 wallpaper for free access?) Jan 12 13:26:36 ah nevermind i guess i did something wrong at first Jan 12 13:26:45 wazd: yep Jan 12 13:27:06 wazd: it is public anyway and you own the copyright :P Jan 12 13:27:33 plus, you could call it "marketing" or "improving brand awareness" or something :D Jan 12 13:28:02 i want a mer logo tshirt already Jan 12 13:28:02 :P Jan 12 13:28:16 are there any rumours on the screen resolution? Jan 12 13:28:21 was just thinking we'll need those if we don't go crazy before the next summit Jan 12 13:28:22 800x480 Jan 12 13:28:37 bummer. Jan 12 13:28:46 RST38h, I really hope so...otherwise things will get plenty "interesting" Jan 12 13:28:48 you wanted more? Jan 12 13:28:51 But still better than most. Jan 12 13:28:58 hanno: compared to all the other small-resolution tablet like things, it's good Jan 12 13:29:31 RST38h: Well, my killer app is still native playback of DVD content. 800x480 is great for that, but more, well is even better for 16:9 content. Jan 12 13:29:51 johnx: Given that the community still has 6 months to back-feed itself rumors and salivate, things will get interesting anyway Jan 12 13:30:16 http://www.hanno.de/blog/2007/video-on-n800/ Jan 12 13:30:23 johnx: In 6 months, everybody will be so psyched up that no matter WHAT Nokia releases will not be enough =) Jan 12 13:30:28 (that's two years ago) Jan 12 13:30:50 http://www.hanno.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/n800-dvd.png Jan 12 13:30:53 where the fukc s publush block, what the hell (( Jan 12 13:31:45 I'm just hoping that the next hardware revision will be playing raw DVD rips at full resolution. Jan 12 13:32:09 hanno: with omap3, maybe Jan 12 13:32:12 hanno, the next hardware will be playing 720p HDTV recordings at full resolution :) Jan 12 13:32:16 it'll have that new omap3 right? Jan 12 13:32:23 hanno: It will play 720p without an issue Jan 12 13:33:08 johnx: See? Unfounded expectations already arise =) Jan 12 13:33:12 wazd: "720p playback" is kinda weird as a quality parameter on a 480 height screen. Jan 12 13:33:28 RST38h, unfounded? *rolls eyes* Jan 12 13:33:46 RST38h, unfounded would be if I said "I'm sure the d-pad won't be *worse*" Jan 12 13:33:48 johnx: Nokia still has 6 months to put another Blizzard chip into this thing ;) Jan 12 13:34:31 You can make n810 dpad worse? How? Jan 12 13:34:34 hanno: it's more "horsepower" parameter than quality Jan 12 13:34:36 hanno: similar hardware (processor+dsp wise), the beagleboard, does 720p playback, so that's where it comes from Jan 12 13:34:50 RST38h: not "unfounded" Jan 12 13:35:13 Yes, the N800 cpu was able to do raw DVD playback as well. Back tThen the graphics chip's bus Jan 12 13:35:18 RST38h, Nokia has a big R&D budget. They'll figure something out. prolly patent it too. "Method for making a d-pad unusable by human hands." Jan 12 13:35:32 Yes, the N800/N810 cpu was able to do raw DVD playback as well. Back then the graphics chip's bus was the problem. Jan 12 13:35:54 johnx: that reminds me one of south park series :) Jan 12 13:36:10 johnx: bout "It" :D Jan 12 13:36:10 johnx: If they can fuck up something as simple as dpad, I wouldn't worry about 720p video performance... Jan 12 13:36:10 johnx: Really easy to screw that one Jan 12 13:36:10 Stskeeps, 720p on the omap3 isn't even touching the DSP right now :) Jan 12 13:37:43 btw., did you guys have a look at the Palm CES video? http://vowe.net/archives/010203.html Jan 12 13:37:53 hanno: aye, shiny Jan 12 13:38:23 Device itself looks fugly and too wide/thick/small kb. UI looks interesting from a technical PoV Jan 12 13:38:26 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer Jan 12 13:38:42 Does anyone know which infrastructure is behind the UI? Jan 12 13:38:48 Jaffa: it's not that thick in fact Jan 12 13:38:52 Jaffa: have you noticed that the touch area is not the screen but the black part underneath? Jan 12 13:38:55 Jaffa: just "thick looking" Jan 12 13:39:27 wazd: thanks! Jan 12 13:39:54 RST38h, it's both... Jan 12 13:39:59 * RST38h opens wordpress site with lynx Jan 12 13:40:18 johnx: must be, otherwise it would be ridiculous Jan 12 13:40:56 RST38h: It's been demoed as both; so it's correct to say the touch area extends beyond the screen to the "gesture area" Jan 12 13:41:18 Ah Jan 12 13:41:33 wazd: how's it compare with thickness of, say, N810? My phone atm is pretty damn thin, tho Jan 12 13:41:58 I wonder how much Sprint will want for it upfront :/ Jan 12 13:42:06 $199 Jan 12 13:42:10 + contract Jan 12 13:42:15 RST38h: nope Jan 12 13:42:20 RST38h, they already said "more than the iPhone since this is better." Jan 12 13:42:25 RST38h: they said it will cost more Jan 12 13:42:25 That is the information released this morning Jan 12 13:42:33 wazd: UNSUBSIDIZED. Jan 12 13:42:46 RST39h: OKAY!1 xD Jan 12 13:42:46 reeeeally? this morning? Jan 12 13:42:50 * johnx searches Jan 12 13:42:50 wazd: Unsubsidized iPhone is also in $400-$500 range Jan 12 13:43:01 RST38h, more than $600USD IIRC Jan 12 13:43:28 RST38h: we have iPhone for thousand greenbacks :) Jan 12 13:43:33 johnx: And Sprint said that if things get tough (i.e. people standing in lines to soup kitchens, checking negative Wall Street numbers on their blackberries) it will be $149 Jan 12 13:43:47 But what's behind the UI, software-wise? Is it their own proprietary stack or did they use existing libraries? Jan 12 13:43:51 wazd: Well, Moscow pricing schemes are different Jan 12 13:44:13 RST38h: It has pretty same price Russia-spread Jan 12 13:44:13 14:38:53 RST38h | Jaffa: have you noticed that the touch area is not the screen but the black part underneath? Jan 12 13:44:17 wazd: Not much different from speculative pricing for western goods in USSR :) Jan 12 13:44:18 that's a special nav widget Jan 12 13:44:20 RST38h, just made my day :D BTW, that's what I'll be spending on the money that won't go to a Portege :D Jan 12 13:44:32 RST38h: the screen is multitouch too Jan 12 13:44:35 Jaffa: I think it's same as n810 Jan 12 13:44:54 Jaffa: said that it's "a bit thicker than the iphone" Jan 12 13:44:59 s/on the money/the money on *dur* Jan 12 13:45:00 aquatix: They also said that only 200000 screens will be produced in the first batch Jan 12 13:45:08 hm Jan 12 13:45:25 well, i will get a newer batch anyway Jan 12 13:45:30 as i need gsm Jan 12 13:45:40 * RST38h isn't planning on getting this thing Jan 12 13:45:51 wazd: which isn't surprising, having a slide-out kb Jan 12 13:45:52 RST38h, didn't ask you to :) Jan 12 13:46:02 aquatix: yep Jan 12 13:46:06 * aquatix might get a Pre Jan 12 13:46:35 I still think that having such a huge phone is a bad idea) Jan 12 13:46:47 * johnx wishes they'd make a phone in the same style as a zaurus 5500 (same style, not same size) Jan 12 13:46:47 it's bigger than my m600i i think Jan 12 13:46:54 johnx: ghehe Jan 12 13:47:02 johnx: erm, the Pre *is* such a phone Jan 12 13:47:16 it's *close* but no d-pad Jan 12 13:47:22 ah, good point Jan 12 13:47:42 it's also tied to sprint.. Jan 12 13:47:53 but the interface of course works differently too Jan 12 13:47:55 and it's actually smaller in height and width than an iphone Jan 12 13:48:01 Am I the only one getting an N97 here? =) Khe khe khe? Jan 12 13:48:13 RST38h: i'll probably bitch for one when they come Jan 12 13:48:17 ...rtan? Jan 12 13:48:17 RST38h: Laaaame xD Jan 12 13:48:23 RST38h: i *was* planning on buying one Jan 12 13:48:29 * RST38h runs away from the lynch mob Jan 12 13:48:44 RST38h, possibly, but why would I want to settle for less? Jan 12 13:49:00 aquatix: it will probably be insanely expensive anyway Jan 12 13:49:08 johnx: because waiting forever in a basement for the "perfect" is too nerdy Jan 12 13:49:19 RST38h: the n97? yeah :/ Jan 12 13:49:22 glass: it saves money though. Jan 12 13:49:28 wonder what it'll cost, and the Palm Pre too Jan 12 13:49:35 RST38h: yeah, but.. then you'll have nothing to use the money on Jan 12 13:49:38 glass, fair enough, but it seems the n97 and pre should be out around the same time Jan 12 13:49:51 aquatix: palm pre is subbed so crazy that it's going to be hard to determine real price Jan 12 13:50:09 true Jan 12 13:50:11 johnx: yeah but can't buy pre for use here, see, i don't live in sprint land Jan 12 13:50:17 glass: Food. Guns. Extra underground floors. A tactical nuclear weapon or two maybe? Jan 12 13:50:22 i hope there will be a gsm version soon Jan 12 13:50:37 glass, yup. I'm sure they had to go with sprint because they were the only ones desperate enough to subsidize the phone down to iphone levels Jan 12 13:50:43 RST38h: thermic lances Jan 12 13:51:26 johnx: or maybe bono knows someone from sprint Jan 12 13:52:29 johnx: You would sign a 2-year contract with Sprint? Jan 12 13:52:38 Just to get $200 off a phone? Jan 12 13:52:56 maybe to get the phone at all? Jan 12 13:52:59 RST38h, well, looks like they have the best 3G network anyways. BTW, where did you see $199. I'm still seeing $399 Jan 12 13:53:01 to get the phone at all Jan 12 13:53:20 RST38h: pre is tied to sprint, from launch.. "heavily tied" "always on networking" Jan 12 13:53:21 glass: you want a gsm version too? :) Jan 12 13:53:56 aquatix: of pre? not really. it would be nice if they managed to sell it that much that there would be point but really no.. i'm not a big fan of calling webpages as applications Jan 12 13:53:59 johnx: I can't google right now, uplink is down Jan 12 13:54:23 glass: This sounds like letting oneself to be raped with a plunger for shiny things Jan 12 13:54:31 RST38h: pretty much Jan 12 13:54:32 RST38h, no worries. just found it...still looks pretty uncertain, but it would be suicide to not be within $50 +/- of the jesus-phone Jan 12 13:54:40 glass: So, my answer is "no" =) Jan 12 13:54:41 RST38h: it's an iphone clone so... Jan 12 13:54:50 glass: well, the html5/javascript stuff is only the gui Jan 12 13:54:50 johnx: should zenity be built btw? Jan 12 13:55:05 glass: what is an iPhone clone? Jan 12 13:55:06 Stskeeps, let me import it and give it a build Jan 12 13:55:14 wazd: pre Jan 12 13:55:15 alright Jan 12 13:55:20 glass: why? Jan 12 13:55:23 glass: no, i think it's not Jan 12 13:55:33 i actually like the gui concepts better than the iphone's Jan 12 13:55:38 wazd: because they played it like that as pr Jan 12 13:55:51 glass: it has touchscreen?) Jan 12 13:55:51 it doesn't matter that it's possibly slightly better Jan 12 13:56:01 glass: iphone is a known entity Jan 12 13:56:08 super hyped Jan 12 13:56:10 wazd: afaik album browsing is a coverflow ripoff too Jan 12 13:56:15 everyone knows it and what it does Jan 12 13:56:44 glass: it shows cover art. that's the only similaruty Jan 12 13:56:46 aquatix: yeah but they took the concept, took 1.5 years to do it. touchscreen phone with web apps, same as iphone at launch, of course theres differences Jan 12 13:57:03 i like the cards concept Jan 12 13:57:04 * johnx thinkgs "rip off" is kind of a silly term. Should companies totally ignore good ideas just because of NIH? Jan 12 13:57:21 johnx: Pre is too close to iPhone Jan 12 13:57:26 johnx: well company like palm who says it'll bring something ground breaking.. yeah they should bring something fresh Jan 12 13:57:36 it does look like an attempt to copy Jan 12 13:57:39 glass, they did, IMHO Jan 12 13:57:41 besides, iphone has native apps by now Jan 12 13:57:53 glass: Severely limited Jan 12 13:57:56 johnx: well ok then, but you should know that your views are not shared by many :) Jan 12 13:58:23 RST38h: yeah i know the deal with the official sdk and marketplace.. Jan 12 13:58:23 glass, the WebOS SDK thing looks pretty different than the first-run iPhone web apps Jan 12 13:58:28 glass, fair enough :) have you watched the Palm press conference, BTW? Jan 12 13:58:33 well, cordless charger is really nice thing : Jan 12 13:58:36 johnx: yeah it's an upgrade, but copy still as a concept Jan 12 13:58:39 johnx: WebOS SDK has not been released yet. How do you know? Jan 12 13:58:44 johnx: yeah Jan 12 13:58:54 johnx: that too goes to the cloning iphone category Jan 12 13:59:12 Press conferences can be very misleading so I would only trust the actual SDK Jan 12 13:59:13 johnx: and the bullshit reasoning why to tie it with sprint. it's not the network, it's the subbing Jan 12 13:59:31 glass: there's difference between cloning and similarity Jan 12 13:59:31 RST38h, well the fact that it can actually tie into lower level stuff than the iphone's "native" sdk is a big departure Jan 12 13:59:31 RST38h: that too, androids day 1 pr was pure bullshit Jan 12 13:59:49 Meizu M8 is an iPhone clone Jan 12 13:59:53 Pre isn't Jan 12 14:00:02 m8 is just a chinaphone Jan 12 14:00:06 oh, any news about that funny chinatablet? Jan 12 14:00:08 it's similar, it copies some stuff, but it's not a clone Jan 12 14:00:30 wazd: it clones the essential elements. meizu clones the non essential elements.. Jan 12 14:00:33 johnx: you do not know how it is done Jan 12 14:00:34 glass, well, duh it's the subbing. That's why apple went with att and htc/google with t-mobile: at the time they both needed a miracle Jan 12 14:00:41 there's nothing bad in coping good things Jan 12 14:00:47 chinaphones have analog tv-tuners now too Jan 12 14:00:48 johnx: just remember how native ARM access was done in the original PalmOS and weep Jan 12 14:01:00 Security operatives backed by snarling dogs have sealed off the Conisholme wind farm in Lincolnshire, to prevent alien hunters making off with the remains of the UFO which earlier this month seriously damaged one of the turbines, the Sun reports! Jan 12 14:01:03 wazd: yeah but it's not going to save palm.. it's not a groundbreaking product Jan 12 14:01:13 wazd: but then again, some thought that foleo would be cool Jan 12 14:01:14 haha Jan 12 14:01:39 * RST38h is now sure it was one of royal princes practicing his helicopter landings again =) Jan 12 14:01:39 RST38h, to be honest: I'll be using this as a glorified dumb-phone most likely. If palm brings a better version of their old PIMs to a stable OS I'll be more than happy Jan 12 14:01:49 glass: nice multitasking, nice gesturing, nice web integration, cordless charge Jan 12 14:01:59 pretty enough I think Jan 12 14:02:01 johnx: Would you stand a dumb phone though? Jan 12 14:02:08 cordless charge.. and cancer the next year? Jan 12 14:02:08 :P Jan 12 14:02:09 RST38h, already on one Jan 12 14:02:21 Sts: naah Jan 12 14:02:21 wazd: essential q's are: does it do DUN or did they copy lack of it too Jan 12 14:02:30 Stskeeps, fairly proven tech. and they've switched away from doing it with beta particles :D Jan 12 14:02:30 Sts: it is still 50-60Hz Jan 12 14:02:46 glass: what's DUN?) Jan 12 14:02:53 cordless charger is no fun if you have to haul the charger around anyways Jan 12 14:02:57 * johnx introduces his new radio-isotope phone charger :) Jan 12 14:02:58 Sts: Basically a transformer with one coil in the charger and another one in the gadget Jan 12 14:02:59 wazd: dial up networking, using the phone as a modem Jan 12 14:02:59 johnx: some things i just really wonder if they picked up off ufos.. Jan 12 14:03:14 glass: ah, tethering, I don't know actually Jan 12 14:03:46 glass, actually charges from micro-usb as well Jan 12 14:04:17 johnx: yay micro usb. you know how happy those nokia users are with the nokia phones that have micro usb only charging? Jan 12 14:04:20 Sts: like eggnog or vegemite Jan 12 14:04:29 RST38h: vegemite is just scary Jan 12 14:04:37 ugh vegemite Jan 12 14:04:52 * glass dreams of blood sausage Jan 12 14:04:53 on the other hand my fiancée eats polish stuff i wouldn't touch Jan 12 14:04:56 Sts: or that nordic stuff made of slightly rotten fish Jan 12 14:05:08 glass, happier than me with my b0rken old-style nokia charger with one tiny easily bendable pin? Jan 12 14:05:18 * RST38h wonders what that polish stuff may be, beside salo Jan 12 14:05:35 johnx: microusb cables are still hard to come by at your friends places Jan 12 14:06:11 johnx: the small connector sucks though too, point Jan 12 14:06:12 glass, anything besides NTT/softbank and AU charger cable are hard to come by at my friend's place :) Jan 12 14:07:53 but I get the point. :) however I have a rather clever thing now: a tiny little 10cm cable that accepts the end of an NTT charger on one end and has a small-style Nokia pin on the other. No reason not to grab one for mini-micro usb and slip it in your bag/pocket Jan 12 14:12:30 i just bought some vegemite, because you have to try it once Jan 12 14:12:42 like smoking banana peels Jan 12 14:12:51 mm, or cuban cigars Jan 12 14:12:55 etc Jan 12 14:12:59 pupnik_, or trying natto or drinking compari O_o Jan 12 14:13:06 Hi everybody Jan 12 14:13:09 campari isn't that bad Jan 12 14:13:11 once a year Jan 12 14:13:16 yes, campari. just once for me, thanks. Jan 12 14:13:17 natto i wouldn't dare Jan 12 14:13:24 vegemite++ ;) Jan 12 14:13:34 someone knows how to fix metalayer crawler segfaulting Jan 12 14:13:38 campari is good only when with oj and after a day of skiing Jan 12 14:13:38 glass, never tried it? pssh. gotta try it once Jan 12 14:13:51 disco: disable it. Jan 12 14:13:53 johnx: so, for 0.6: first-boot-wizard, a package to enable kernel-boot-directly-to-rootfs (so we can make kernel + jffs2 image), and figuring out why the heck NetworkManager keels over and dies? Jan 12 14:13:59 johnx: i got some other stuff i'd rather not try. well a lot. one sees a lot of things if one opens every irc link Jan 12 14:14:16 RST38h: i want my files in media player :P Jan 12 14:14:22 Stskeeps, ok, just packaging up changes to auto-startx Jan 12 14:14:40 disco: find a file whose metasdata causes it to crash and update metadadta Jan 12 14:16:15 glass, yeah. I don't think it's possible to like natto unless you are forced to eat it from an early age :/ Jan 12 14:16:57 what is natto? cat entrails? Jan 12 14:18:07 RST38h, fermented soybeans Jan 12 14:18:23 ah Jan 12 14:19:04 RST38h, the core idea is "slimy" Jan 12 14:20:11 ;P Jan 12 14:20:18 it indeed is... weird Jan 12 14:21:42 johnx: current stats atm btw 322mb uncompressed, 111mb raw jffs2, 146mb sumtooled Jan 12 14:22:35 Stskeeps: jffs2 zlib or lzma? Jan 12 14:23:22 AStorm: zlib i think Jan 12 14:25:28 hm, mkfs.jffs2 has incremental stuff Jan 12 14:26:12 nm Jan 12 14:31:54 My beagle board arrived today :) Jan 12 14:32:03 I only ordered in on Friday Jan 12 14:32:05 woo Jan 12 14:32:29 \o/ Jan 12 14:32:42 now to make Mer install on it, alterego ;) Jan 12 14:32:52 beagle board? Jan 12 14:35:19 (should be fairly easy.) Jan 12 14:39:59 vegemite++ Jan 12 14:40:12 on wheatabix with butter too :) Jan 12 14:40:24 * lcuk throws up a little Jan 12 14:40:49 * johnx misses cold breakfast cereal q-q Jan 12 14:40:54 * lcuk sticks a twiglet up lardmans nose Jan 12 14:41:19 Stskeeps, That size sounds great still. I imagine xomap makes a big difference vs xorg Jan 12 14:42:16 well.. my metalayer-crawler is crashing when reads my contacts in .vcf format Jan 12 14:42:45 disco_stu, you're on the latest version of diablo, right? Jan 12 14:42:55 if so, that's a bug that definitely should be filed Jan 12 14:43:11 johnx: yes Jan 12 14:43:30 mmm, twiglets Jan 12 14:43:47 johnx: i'll file it Jan 12 14:44:17 disco_stu, does it happen with any file in vcf format? Jan 12 14:44:50 no, just with some of them Jan 12 14:44:58 i'll inspect them.. Jan 12 14:45:06 do you have one you can submit with the bug? Jan 12 14:45:23 maybe by changing names/phone numbers? Jan 12 14:46:09 johnx: i will submit one Jan 12 14:46:13 no problem.. Jan 12 14:47:14 ~file-bug Jan 12 14:47:20 ~bug-file Jan 12 14:47:33 http://bugs.maemo.org Jan 12 14:48:26 i'll do it in a while Jan 12 14:54:18 ooooooooooooooh cow-orker is a tosser Jan 12 14:54:52 first orking cows? now tossing things? unfortunate... Jan 12 14:56:17 thinks its a good thing to allow central dlls to change without ensuring those changes dont break client applications and deal with any issues however many months down the line Jan 12 15:07:16 lcuk, yeah, that does sound pretty dense...and also like he fails to empathize with his customers/users...a very bad sign Jan 12 15:07:59 Windows 7 destroys mp3s. el oh el Jan 12 15:08:14 :) Jan 12 15:08:18 pupnik_: old news though ;) Jan 12 15:09:38 * johnx wonders why cx3110x is constantly scanning while booted to mer... Jan 12 15:10:43 * johnx and also wonders WTF his wife's vista laptop is doing receiving 1Mb/s and sending 500Kb/s while sitting "idle" Jan 12 15:11:46 microsoft is `backing up' her data Jan 12 15:12:15 I have a feeling iTunes may be trying to do something about missing album art... Jan 12 15:13:13 ah Jan 12 15:13:13 johnx: ifconfig wlan0 up maybe Jan 12 15:13:41 Stskeeps, and that will stop the scanning or that's what started it? Jan 12 15:13:51 it shouldn't scan on its own, kinda weird :P Jan 12 15:13:59 .. i think Jan 12 15:16:43 well, I certainly see weird behavior with ifup/ifdown Jan 12 15:17:04 I just can't tell how consistent it is... Jan 12 15:24:05 anyone have the wiki url of the rss reader improvements handy? Jan 12 15:26:15 Damn, i've identified myself on the tablet, now desktop identifier is gone I supose?) Jan 12 15:27:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:RSS_Feed_reader Jan 12 15:27:25 as answer to my question Jan 12 15:27:42 wazd: My attempt at adding bubbles to your cool mer wallpaper: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/mer_9b.jpg Jan 12 15:28:37 Inverted felicia from hildon-theme-alpha overlaid on your original at ~60% transparency. Gimp original at http://bleb.org/software/maemo/mer_9b.xcf Jan 12 15:30:50 Jaffa, I kind of like the effect that "Divide" provides in this case, a little bit lighter :) Jan 12 15:31:52 Nice) Jan 12 15:31:59 now: what we need is a nice little animation of bubbles rising smoothly as the machine boots ending with a bubble-free wallpaper just the GUI fades in. Jan 12 15:32:26 ya'know, fades in or slides in, I'm flexible on that :) Jan 12 15:32:42 johnx: nah, I think the boot screen should be the plain one with the mer logo, *then* they bubble up as it finishes booting to be the desktop background :-) Jan 12 15:33:17 wazd: Not sure what the licence is on hildon-theme-alpha - it may need to be recreated (which, as a fiddler rather than a creator, I'm not sure I'm capable of). Hmm, maybe I could with Inkscape. Jan 12 15:33:22 Jaffa, hmm...and on the rx-51 we could use the accelerometers to have the bubbles float around as your rotate the device Jan 12 15:33:31 johnx: nice :) Jan 12 15:34:20 johnx: and assign the background and bubbles a density so we can see them moving in the direction of travel as it starts accelerating Jan 12 15:34:29 johnx: Just do it the way Samsung does it Jan 12 15:34:44 First Fremantle home applet: Bubbles :-) Jan 12 15:34:45 johnx: Show a bubbling liquid that fills up when your battery charges Jan 12 15:34:51 a question... xulrunner can be deleted ? Jan 12 15:34:58 TheFatal, no Jan 12 15:35:05 johnx: And make level change as you tilt the tablet Jan 12 15:35:12 thnks Jan 12 15:35:29 RST38h, reminds me of that screensaver for S60 ;) Jan 12 15:35:39 we should at the very least be able to pop the bubbles with stylus ;) Jan 12 15:35:53 * RST38h hasn't seen the S60 screensaver Jan 12 15:36:00 lcuk: Oh yesssss Jan 12 15:36:13 perhaps model bubble surface tension and use it to avoid the desktop applets moving round too much Jan 12 15:36:37 * RST38h remembers modifying xroach so that each cockroach has a username on the back and when you squish them, user accounts get disabled Jan 12 15:36:42 or make one REALLY good looking proper overlay that looks like a bubble in the protector and which actually moves around realistically when pushed around from the sides Jan 12 15:37:28 lardman :) i think you already know how i want to manipulate desktop applets (controllable though) Jan 12 15:38:03 RST38h, sounds like the doom frontend to procps Jan 12 15:42:47 * Stskeeps yawns Jan 12 15:42:50 johnx: more or less Jan 12 15:42:59 johnx: but *way* more fun Jan 12 15:43:19 johnx: you know, those roaches will actually hide under your windows Jan 12 15:43:21 dunno. would have loved to shoot metalayer-crawler a couple times Jan 12 15:43:40 johnx: isn't it easy to do? just disable it dead. Jan 12 15:44:00 some people use the default media player... Jan 12 15:44:15 anyways, works now so I'm happy Jan 12 15:44:19 Is it possible to run it manually for a single pass? Jan 12 15:44:38 Yeah, just run "metalayer-crawler" and it refreshes the library without going into the background Jan 12 15:44:45 RST38h, and then it will still potentially hang before it does what you need it to do Jan 12 15:44:56 but at least it will not sneak on you Jan 12 15:45:07 qwerty12: got deblet splash working btw Jan 12 15:45:19 Stskeeps, wicked. fb-progress? Jan 12 15:45:21 yeah Jan 12 15:45:21 RST38h, I suppose. I'm just looking forward to tracker :) Jan 12 15:45:25 qwerty12: now with pretty mer logo Jan 12 15:45:30 whee :) Jan 12 15:45:51 Have you switched to Xomap? Jan 12 15:45:55 yeah Jan 12 15:46:02 Even better :> Jan 12 15:46:14 johnx: which will probably suck more Jan 12 15:46:33 Stskeeps: you need to do a new round of mer screenshots :-) Jan 12 15:46:37 johnx: I just had to delete 200MB of index data tracker silently created in my ubuntu account Jan 12 15:46:43 To insprire those of us too lazy to have tried it Jan 12 15:46:44 qwerty12: i have another task for you though, /sbin/tablet-init or what we called it, packaged and modelled on top of solca's nitboot (http://guug.org/nit/nitboot/nitboot.sh) and /linuxrc. in the end it calls /sbin/init Jan 12 15:47:01 RST38h, at least it has a bigger userbase and more people to fix it. plus it does provide neat opportunities for search (such as deskbar) Jan 12 15:47:04 Jaffa: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/ <- last night Jan 12 15:47:05 Stskeeps, meh, I'm not a good scripter Jan 12 15:47:18 qwerty12: no need for good scripting :P Jan 12 15:47:41 Jaffa: last scrshot is the one where xcomposite works Jan 12 15:47:51 Stskeeps, I'm kinda busy getting tile world to run in Maemo properly :) Jan 12 15:47:53 johnx: If it sacrifices performance/disk space/battery life the same way as the metalayer-crawler, I will not care Jan 12 15:47:57 qwerty12: hehe, okay Jan 12 15:48:20 johnx: Never really use the search feature: I *know* where my stuff is Jan 12 15:48:25 RST38h, same here. If it does I'll have a package out post-haste to only run it on AC Jan 12 15:48:51 RST38h, don't think of it as "search" so much as a "predictive command line for your stuff" Jan 12 15:48:53 qwerty12: 141mb sumtool image btw Jan 12 15:48:54 Stskeeps: ta, looking Jan 12 15:48:55 * qwerty12 doesn't see the point of tracker, metalayer crawler etc. All I need is updatedb & locate. Jan 12 15:49:02 Stskeeps, wicked, think I got similar :P Jan 12 15:49:04 johnx: it is a tablet, what command line? Jan 12 15:49:11 RST38h, seen deskbar? Jan 12 15:49:20 johnx: No, what is it? Jan 12 15:49:55 RST38h, similar to the mac os spotlight or the palm pre search Jan 12 15:50:25 I have never used any of these Jan 12 15:50:34 Stskeeps: Loving the windows 3.1-esque theme in the first lot of photos *cough* Jan 12 15:50:49 Jaffa: what photo's? Jan 12 15:50:56 s/photos/screenshots/ Jan 12 15:50:56 Jaffa meant: Stskeeps: Loving the windows 3.1-esque theme in the first lot of screenshots *cough* Jan 12 15:51:17 aquatix: Jaffa: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/ <- last night Jan 12 15:51:25 ah, thanks Jan 12 15:51:42 we so need to figure out why the localizations mess up Jan 12 15:52:08 RST38h, ok, imagine the little maemo desktop search applet, except that as you type it finds partial matches for things listed in your bookmarks, files, (potentially browser history), and the partial matches show up as a dropdown list Jan 12 15:52:37 RST38h, similar in style to the way firefox 3's address bar works...kinda Jan 12 15:53:01 johnx: Yes, but I never use that desktop search applet Jan 12 15:53:09 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6a/screenshot06.png looks interesting Jan 12 15:53:25 johnx: The only file search I ever use is in FAR file manager, but it does not index anything at all Jan 12 15:53:32 aquatix: what people meet when booting (+ load applet) Jan 12 15:54:42 Stskeeps, are you including the immensely better /etc/network/interfaces from deblet in your next image? Jan 12 15:55:06 qwerty12: possible Jan 12 15:55:17 lemme add it to imager Jan 12 15:55:20 Hope so, I had to use echo & printf last time :) Jan 12 15:55:53 RST38h, eh. just saying I'm looking forward to it. Not everyone works the same way of course, but I find that typing "die har" [down arrow] [enter] is often faster than digging through my movies folder Jan 12 15:58:09 qwerty12: btw powered definately messes up without /etc/mce.ini Jan 12 15:58:10 Stskeeps, yes :/ Jan 12 15:58:35 It also has it's fair share of ashisms and depends on quite a few maemo config files :/ Jan 12 16:01:16 qwerty12: added interfaces Jan 12 16:01:24 yay :) Jan 12 16:01:43 will be in 0.6 when we release Jan 12 16:02:51 Sargun: Have you had your vi today? Jan 12 16:03:08 * Stskeeps glances suspiciously at infobot Jan 12 16:03:29 I always knew infobot was a stalker... Jan 12 16:06:15 johnx: does your wizard set up /etc/hosts too correctly? Jan 12 16:06:24 Stskeeps, it does :) Jan 12 16:06:41 alright Jan 12 16:06:42 eep, just reminded me: it needs to run hostname after it updates /etc/hostname Jan 12 16:06:45 Hey, I understand that this isn't a Nokia support channel, but I just have started having the oddest problem with my N810, all of the clicks are getting mapped about 1 inch to the right Jan 12 16:07:15 Tried recalibrating your screen? (no idea why it'd've suddenly started) Jan 12 16:07:20 Sargun, as odd as this sounds, have you tried turning the tablet off and on again? Jan 12 16:07:21 Sargun: you probably want to try and recalibrate. Home screen, menu, calibration Jan 12 16:07:23 Sargun: Go to settings and recalibrate your screen Jan 12 16:07:31 johnx, I rebooted it a few times... Jan 12 16:07:36 johnx, took out battery, etc. Jan 12 16:07:59 Stskeeps, RST38h I tried that, but the issue is it kept saying "Press closer to point on screen (or the little place you're supposed to click" Jan 12 16:08:10 My guess is that the calibration got thrown offf too far Jan 12 16:08:26 Sargun: Try doing it in a few steps then? Jan 12 16:08:28 Worst case: backup & reflash? Jan 12 16:08:31 sounds like a hardware problem Jan 12 16:08:32 Or that's a good idea Jan 12 16:08:37 RST38h++ Jan 12 16:08:48 Sargun: Each time a bit closer to the points? :) Jan 12 16:09:05 But my guess is that you have a hardware problem.. Jan 12 16:09:50 Stskeeps, right now I have it wiping out /etc/hosts though. is that acceptable or not? Jan 12 16:10:06 johnx: it's first boot wizard.. Jan 12 16:10:39 http://rafb.net/p/HUBNqs45.html Jan 12 16:10:41 Stskeeps, there is that. Doesn't feel very "debian-like" to me, but I'll get over it or fix it better later Jan 12 16:10:48 should look similar to this Jan 12 16:11:02 Damn, rush-hour subway is total hell) Jan 12 16:11:30 guess I can do the 127.0.1.1 trick for the the user supplied hostname Jan 12 16:11:37 wazd, I know what you mean O_o Jan 12 16:12:31 wazd, are your train conductors as polite as these fellows? http://www.weirdasianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tokyo-subway.jpg Jan 12 16:13:04 We have no train conductors) Jan 12 16:13:13 For now) Jan 12 16:13:29 wazd, who's there to politely shove you on the train then? Jan 12 16:13:45 Last man in a row)) Jan 12 16:14:25 Or driver cut out the stream of people) Jan 12 16:15:10 qwerty12: i wonder if it is possible to select an alternate kernel rootfs based on a key held down Jan 12 16:15:28 (it probably is, but how easily) Jan 12 16:15:48 oh, nice Jan 12 16:15:51 Stskeeps, well, that enables flashing mode Jan 12 16:15:53 Texrat just confirmed it's called RX-51 Jan 12 16:17:03 Stskeeps: hope it's «work-in-progress» name?) Jan 12 16:17:04 Stskeeps, :P Jan 12 16:17:11 I think we've been pretty sure of that for a while. Jan 12 16:17:17 alright, even stupider question, where is the serial number on my tablet Jan 12 16:17:26 Sargun: under the battery Jan 12 16:17:36 Mac address is the serial Jan 12 16:17:43 I guess Jan 12 16:18:17 GeneralAntilles: it could have been a devel board too Jan 12 16:18:34 Stskeeps, unlikely at this point Jan 12 16:18:39 true Jan 12 16:18:45 Besides, there've never been dev-board model numbers previously. Jan 12 16:18:49 They wouldn't start now. Jan 12 16:19:30 to fuck with our minds, maybe ;) Jan 12 16:19:47 GeneralAntilles, did we ever have this much info this far in advance before? Jan 12 16:19:47 when is the Nokia n810's successor coming out Jan 12 16:20:00 Sargun, "When it's ready." Jan 12 16:20:01 In 2020 Jan 12 16:20:06 GeneralAntilles: i'm still amazed engadget haven't picked up on your post yet :P Jan 12 16:20:16 Sargun, sometime after march 2009, and probably before 2010. Jan 12 16:20:18 johnx, nah, but plenty of info comes out after-the-fact Jan 12 16:20:20 GeneralAntilles, link? Jan 12 16:20:24 Stskeeps, submit it. :P Jan 12 16:20:26 Dude, I think I'm 5 days out of my warranty Jan 12 16:20:32 Webkit «show images» option doesn't work( Jan 12 16:20:40 Sargun, to? Jan 12 16:21:10 Sargun, ouch Jan 12 16:21:10 GeneralAntilles, your post? Jan 12 16:21:27 http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ Jan 12 16:23:05 Engadget reposts only stupid concepts and apple rumors Jan 12 16:24:30 well, or gizmodo :P Jan 12 16:26:53 GeneralAntilles, you says it'll have HDPA connectivity, it'll be a phone? Jan 12 16:27:29 Sargun, missed the Maemo Summit announcement, then? :) Jan 12 16:27:31 It will have hsdpa connectivity Jan 12 16:27:45 Sargun, HDPA is a data connection, not a phone connection. :) Jan 12 16:27:57 Sargun, it'll have a HSPA module for data, not voice. just like a lot of smaller laptops these days. Jan 12 16:28:10 GeneralAntilles, yes, but why not throw in voice if you get data? Jan 12 16:28:29 Cause it's not a phone Jan 12 16:28:38 meh Jan 12 16:28:38 Sargun, because 'throwing in voice' is a multi-million dollar issue. Jan 12 16:28:44 Sargun, probably regulatory reasons Jan 12 16:28:50 meh again Jan 12 16:28:55 Although, "data is what we're talking about today" Jan 12 16:29:00 regulatory? it's the same data Jan 12 16:29:02 johnx, Hm, in the US, all regulatory stuff is self-contained within the modem. Jan 12 16:29:10 Wouldn't be totally surprised if they threw in voice over BT Jan 12 16:29:10 Not the same Jan 12 16:29:15 maybe they'd have to register the codecs as compliant or sth Jan 12 16:29:27 How many N8XX units sell, anyways>? Jan 12 16:29:37 Sargun, then why are the laptops with HSPA modems (and the standalone HSPA modems) not supporting voice? Jan 12 16:29:42 Sargun: not enough, more coudl always sell Jan 12 16:29:42 ;P Jan 12 16:29:57 johnx: because they lack software Jan 12 16:30:02 AStorm, not if you talk to government regulatory agencies and carriers. :) Jan 12 16:30:02 AStorm, they'd be providing a phone service so it would have to be able to dial 911 and other stuff even without a carrier Jan 12 16:30:06 If it will have unlimited data plans - use SIP for calls) Jan 12 16:30:09 you need a gprs connection agent Jan 12 16:30:24 wazd: NAT - foiled Jan 12 16:30:33 otherwise everyone would do that Jan 12 16:30:46 AStorm: i think it's curious it seems like RX-51 will support tethering :) Jan 12 16:30:58 as in, being the target of tethering Jan 12 16:31:09 good :) Jan 12 16:31:21 n800 and rx-51 living together in perfect harmony.. Jan 12 16:31:25 ;) Jan 12 16:31:26 Don't see how they keep it from supporting tethering, and if they're selling unsubsidized (likely) they have no reason not to Jan 12 16:31:43 johnx: whatever? we can write required software Jan 12 16:31:45 johnx: with the open nature of the tablets, it's impossible to -avoid- tethering :P Jan 12 16:31:47 Aw, newbie question, HSDPA means no EDGE or GPRS then? Jan 12 16:31:55 wazd: no, it's a quad-band modem Jan 12 16:31:59 any protocol you want Jan 12 16:32:11 Nice! Jan 12 16:32:17 wazd, HSDPA is faster than them both anyway Jan 12 16:32:22 not normal GSM though I think Jan 12 16:32:29 yeah Jan 12 16:32:30 I thought HSDPA meant 3G Jan 12 16:32:32 wazd, probably quad-band GSM, and a couple bands of HSPA. dunno which ones yet :/ Jan 12 16:32:33 GPRS voice should work if we use proper codecs Jan 12 16:32:43 I know, but we have bad HSDPA plans in here Jan 12 16:32:56 AStorm: it looks like the hildon desktop has stuff like SMS and such.. which is curious Jan 12 16:33:02 so we can actually write it ourselves Jan 12 16:33:20 And poor coverage Jan 12 16:33:21 not sure about GSM, as that needs support from the modem Jan 12 16:33:22 lardman|home, 3G is any "third generation" wireless standard. Jan 12 16:33:36 3G is precisely UMTS or HSPA Jan 12 16:33:41 ;> Jan 12 16:33:48 GPRS is 2G Jan 12 16:33:52 wazd: What HSDPA? We do not have HSDPA yet Jan 12 16:33:58 God, the lady on the other end of the phone is a complete idiot. Jan 12 16:34:02 Stskeeps, SMS can be done over many paths :) A Nokia IM to SMS gateway is pretty easy Jan 12 16:34:07 johnx: true Jan 12 16:34:17 wazd: Still no 3G support Jan 12 16:34:23 and with their interest in telepathy-haze... Jan 12 16:34:33 RST38h: is GPRS supported at least? Jan 12 16:34:43 AStorm: Yes, pretty much everywhere now Jan 12 16:34:51 good, then it should work Jan 12 16:34:54 AStorm, or EVDO rev. A. or wimax depending on who you talk to Jan 12 16:34:56 Ah damn Jan 12 16:35:09 johnx: hmm? in n9xx? Jan 12 16:35:10 I was talking bout ev-do Jan 12 16:35:17 I'd drop those Jan 12 16:35:25 EVDO is probably available from SkyLink Jan 12 16:35:35 not enough coverage in most parts of the world Jan 12 16:35:37 esp. for EVDO Jan 12 16:35:43 ah, I thought you meant "3G == UMTS && HSPA" Jan 12 16:35:46 But it is a tiny provider with shitty phone lineup and patchy coverage Jan 12 16:35:56 We have even EDGE pretty much everywhere now) Jan 12 16:35:57 johnx: mhm, right right Jan 12 16:36:02 3G is actually bandwidth requirement Jan 12 16:36:09 wazd: same here Jan 12 16:36:27 wazd: Actually, my data connection broke only after crossing a border with belorussia Jan 12 16:36:57 wazd: And that was *not* because of the break in coverage but simply because the roaming was off Jan 12 16:37:23 RST38h: skylink has crazyaprices for hardware. x-card modem costs like a whole phone Jan 12 16:37:59 God, she left her GSM phone next to the phone, and it's making a horrible screeching noise Jan 12 16:38:05 wazd: Well, given the scarcity of cdma hw and the fact that nobody needs it or cares about it... Jan 12 16:38:24 can't blame skylink much Jan 12 16:38:34 all right, going home Jan 12 16:38:39 Sargun: want to borrow this hammer? Jan 12 16:39:30 aquatix, If you tell me where she lives, that'll do Jan 12 16:40:00 oh, just read she's on the other side of your line ;) Jan 12 16:40:07 thought it was in the same room as you Jan 12 16:40:31 Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole? A panel of experts weighs-in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnX-D4kkPOQ Jan 12 16:40:47 * aquatix heads home Jan 12 16:42:23 RST38h: don't forget to send me svg) Jan 12 16:43:46 pupnik_: ;P Jan 12 16:44:27 i thought it was funny :) Jan 12 16:47:47 WTF, I tried it again, and it started working Jan 12 16:48:09 Sargun, does temperature seem to affect it? Jan 12 16:48:22 johnx, yeah, possibly. Jan 12 16:48:43 pupnik_: it's too true to be funny Jan 12 16:48:46 It got warmer over the past 30 minutes, I went from outside -> inside Jan 12 16:49:22 condense maybe? Jan 12 16:49:28 you have a screen protector? Jan 12 16:49:41 Stskeeps, no... Jan 12 16:49:48 always good to have :P Jan 12 16:49:52 Anyways, I'll still send it in for warranty repair Jan 12 16:50:12 I cannot live without this thing working Jan 12 16:57:48 whats the default password that n810 comes for sudo access? Jan 12 16:58:04 not password by default, install rootsh Jan 12 16:58:07 it's in extras Jan 12 16:58:12 ~root-access Jan 12 16:58:13 well, root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Jan 12 16:58:49 appreciate the help, thanks Jan 12 16:58:57 sure :) Jan 12 16:59:04 np Jan 12 17:00:43 buongiorno qwerty12 Jan 12 17:00:48 how is going? Jan 12 17:00:59 hey ciroip, I'm good thanks, how about you? Jan 12 17:01:21 preparing to return to work :( Jan 12 17:01:37 7 days and ill return to the jungle Jan 12 17:01:59 Already returned back to school last week :P Jan 12 17:02:15 school is not working!! Jan 12 17:02:28 Aye, but it takes up time all the same :P Jan 12 17:03:21 all that fun and all that interact all the time with people you hate, lovely memories Jan 12 17:06:10 Stskeeps: I had tried the gdm install... when I just killed X I get the gdm greeter screen, that's just fun to see Jan 12 17:06:26 r2d2rogers: hehe, yeah, autologin is a bit special :P Jan 12 17:06:39 yeah will have to add that now just for the fun of it Jan 12 17:07:22 r2d2rogers, so you installed gdm while in X, killed X, and gdm worked as it was supposed to? or did something go wrong? Jan 12 17:18:02 Ngames are suported by N810 ? Jan 12 17:18:11 no Jan 12 17:18:19 :( Jan 12 17:18:26 :< Jan 12 17:27:43 hi is processing speed between 770 and 8x0 is far? Jan 12 17:28:19 yes, the n8x0 is much faster and has twice the RAM Jan 12 17:29:51 what will change when ya enabe the red pill mode in application manager? Jan 12 17:30:01 *enable Jan 12 17:30:22 StOrM_NW, it will make your updates from Nokia not really work, then you'll end up in a reboot loop Jan 12 17:31:34 i m trying to install telepathy-salut, but the website says that i need to enable this mode in application manager Jan 12 17:31:38 StOrM_NW, Consider using apt-get or dpkg from the command line, and if you really feel the need to use red pill mode, enable it, do what you need to do, then disable it Jan 12 17:32:53 so its a non-safe mode Jan 12 17:33:11 yeah, it's a "at your own risk" mode :) Jan 12 17:33:35 StOrM_NW, have you ever watched "The Matrix"? Jan 12 17:34:26 yep, but i though the red pill is the right mode to choose :P ... the blue pill is a lie Jan 12 17:34:43 the green pill tastes like burning Jan 12 17:34:44 yeah. Neo got shot though :) Jan 12 17:35:12 johnx: sorry managed to alt-ctrl-backspace and felt I should take a small break Jan 12 17:35:25 johnx: yup, I can't type into it but it loads the greater Jan 12 17:35:30 greeter Jan 12 17:36:06 r2d2rogers, awesome. any thoughts on whether X should be killed as part of the auto-startx (aka autologin) removal process? Jan 12 17:36:12 johnx, I thought he died when the Agent makes him into another agent :P Jan 12 17:36:54 johnx: not yet, but I'll let you know.. do you have any pacakge I can play with for the auto-startx? Jan 12 17:37:30 anyways, the only certainty about "red pill mode" is that if you "enable it" you'll end up on a smelly, cramped ship in the post-apocalyptic future and you'll be terminally hunted by robots. Also, it's known to cause reboot loops. Jan 12 17:37:58 r2d2rogers, in a bit Jan 12 17:38:08 johnx: there is nothing weird with the file that makes metalayer-crawler crash Jan 12 17:38:44 r2d2rogers, there's always a million little buglets to catch it seems :/ Jan 12 17:38:53 disco_stu, so, it crashes on all .vcf files? Jan 12 17:39:32 johnx: no.. with some of them.. but they are just like the ones that wont crash it Jan 12 17:39:54 disco_stu, maybe just submit one of each? Jan 12 17:40:00 with the bug report I mean Jan 12 17:40:10 lol Jan 12 17:40:20 should i add to this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2965 ? Jan 12 17:41:35 johnx: awesome, will play in the mean time Jan 12 17:42:01 i solved doing: metalayer-crawler -c /path/to/music;/path/to/videos instead of metalayer-crawler -F Jan 12 17:42:55 disco_stu, since you have a specific problem and you can reproduce it I think a new bug might be good Jan 12 17:43:04 not solved.. i mean a workaround Jan 12 17:43:16 johnx: ok Jan 12 17:43:53 johnx: i think those people ran into similiar problems.. but they didnt strace it Jan 12 17:43:54 Meiz_n810: updates: splash screen (but will cause problems if you dont install xserver-xomap) Jan 12 17:44:30 disco_stu, possibly, but it's also likely that other files are causing it to segfault Jan 12 17:44:31 Stskeeps: will the latest imager bake me a xomap-version Jan 12 17:44:35 ? Jan 12 17:45:00 Meiz_n810: yeah, or i can give you one Jan 12 17:45:20 but yeah, if you want to bake one yourself, it is all in launchpad Jan 12 17:45:31 i'm gonna use the imager Jan 12 17:45:36 k Jan 12 17:45:55 *i mean i am running it currently Jan 12 17:46:00 Meiz_n810: you're getting it through bzr right? Jan 12 17:47:57 just got it Jan 12 17:48:14 k Jan 12 17:48:25 i tried metalayer-crawler -c /path/to/vcf/files Jan 12 17:48:33 and it doesnt crash Jan 12 17:48:48 and it seems it doesn analyse vcf files Jan 12 17:50:37 It only analyses filetypes listed in /usr/share/libmetalayer/metadata_lib.conf Jan 12 17:51:01 let me see Jan 12 17:51:59 so, the problem is that when invoqued with -F it analyses all kind of files Jan 12 17:52:23 cause in the file you said, vcf arent contemplated Jan 12 17:53:57 metalayer-crawler -c / Jan 12 17:54:18 does not pick other than multimedia files.. and it wont crash Jan 12 17:54:31 the "-F" is the problem Jan 12 17:56:39 johnx, still dont know what i was gonna ask you Jan 12 17:57:15 lcuk, I really know the feeling :) Jan 12 17:57:43 its damned annoying because i thought "right ill ask john tomorrow" Jan 12 17:58:41 lcuk, maybe about "the unix-y way" to do something? debian packaging? svn/git stuff? Jan 12 17:59:35 * lcuk shrugs shoulders Jan 12 17:59:48 :D nm i will remember Jan 12 17:59:50 If you were going to ask something else, I probably wouldn't be of much help anyways :> Jan 12 18:01:17 yo lcuk, how are you? Jan 12 18:01:34 http://meneame.net/story/microsoft-bloquea-conexion-msn-eng Jan 12 18:01:34 :S Jan 12 18:01:35 feeling better now im home :) Jan 12 18:02:37 mh, great Jan 12 18:03:13 \o/ 24 starts tonight Jan 12 18:03:27 that damn ESD will kill me Jan 12 18:03:55 esound? Jan 12 18:03:56 24? I could ever stand an entire episode... Jan 12 18:04:24 si, esound it keep showing up every 2 seconds at 2.5% on top Jan 12 18:04:31 2.7 now Jan 12 18:04:31 TheFatal, mi tambien Jan 12 18:04:52 I suspect the tablet use it for something different than just noise Jan 12 18:05:02 johnx: :S **** microsoft Jan 12 18:05:05 f*** Jan 12 18:05:45 TheFatal: windows 7 opening animation is cool Jan 12 18:05:52 TheFatal, it's their choice. I'll switch to gtalk Jan 12 18:06:28 ciroip, cool, did you get it running on the tablet? Jan 12 18:06:36 johnx: but for example olds version of msn cannot connect too :S Jan 12 18:06:43 ciroip: win sucks for me Jan 12 18:06:45 ciroip, is this for your clock app? How are you using esound? Hildon has its own way of invoking esound hildon.hildon_play_system_sound() (python version) (http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/hildon-hildon-sound.html) Jan 12 18:06:55 TheFatal, http://theflamingbanker.blogspot.com/2009/01/msn-issues.html Jan 12 18:07:32 johnx: it's already fixed Jan 12 18:07:40 mh, qwerty12 yes, for the clock. I call the sound from pygame Jan 12 18:07:48 apt-get install msn-pecan Jan 12 18:08:01 ciroip, ah. think that uses sdl which goes through esd Jan 12 18:08:17 But I think you get more control though Jan 12 18:08:19 and I cant realize when it turn the esd on Jan 12 18:08:22 * lcuk bangs esd directly Jan 12 18:08:52 even with all the pygame music elated calls off the clock keep turning that stupid esd on Jan 12 18:09:08 brb, food refill Jan 12 18:12:25 i'd like to see a mob of old folks rioting someday Jan 12 18:12:30 that'd be a riot Jan 12 18:12:55 Canes don't do much when compared to glocks :p Jan 12 18:13:05 back Jan 12 18:13:46 pupnik_: they'd be successful.. most cops wouldn't touch them Jan 12 18:14:13 well they have experience from the '60s Jan 12 18:14:34 sticking flowers in gunbarrels Jan 12 18:21:06 lcuk: do you know how many channels the esd can play simultaneous? Jan 12 18:21:22 ciroip: a lot and a few more Jan 12 18:21:34 I have no idea how modern audo is managed Jan 12 18:21:39 havent got a clue, i only send direct dynamically generated samples to it at the moment Jan 12 18:21:48 i dont think esd is modern ;) Jan 12 18:21:57 ciroip: there's no hard limit I think Jan 12 18:22:03 the only limit is processing power Jan 12 18:22:13 EsounD - News Jan 12 18:22:13 -------------------------------------------------- Jan 12 18:22:13 March 5, 2000 Jan 12 18:22:13 Yes, I'm still alive. Jan 12 18:22:18 lol, lcuk, I mean Im still at the 4 real hardware channel of the amiga Jan 12 18:22:42 Esound is dead, we should all switch to PulseAudio Jan 12 18:22:59 probably all the 'modern' approach use unlimited real rtime mixing sounds basing on the processor power Jan 12 18:23:00 ciroip: heh, even hardware mixing cards can do 32 channels at least Jan 12 18:23:19 yup Jan 12 18:23:27 hiya AStorm, does pulseaudio allow me to send over custom samples dynamically generated in reaction to user swiping? Jan 12 18:23:44 lcuk: it's esound-compatible and improved too Jan 12 18:23:46 so... Jan 12 18:23:47 yes Jan 12 18:23:48 :) Jan 12 18:23:51 :) Jan 12 18:23:53 lol, lcuck, that sound hot Jan 12 18:24:07 I cant wait to swing your apps Jan 12 18:24:17 * lcuk wants wind noise whilst scrolling (H) Jan 12 18:24:25 lcuk: it's also fairly low-latency Jan 12 18:24:25 it might not work Jan 12 18:24:47 the most genius suggestion was book page flapping noises with the book reader Jan 12 18:24:47 I would have a fart button Jan 12 18:24:59 ;P Jan 12 18:25:34 ciro_alarm : warning could not start sample PHARPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.wav too stinky Jan 12 18:25:46 anyway, someone should port a soundtracker on the tablet Jan 12 18:25:56 or make a proper touchable one :) Jan 12 18:26:01 ciroip, I put MilkyTracker in extras... Jan 12 18:26:05 *extras-devel Jan 12 18:26:19 UH QUERTY? WHERE WHERE Jan 12 18:26:22 you only installed it cos you thought it would monitor your chocolatebars Jan 12 18:26:37 lcuk, guilty as charged :P Jan 12 18:26:44 ciroip, extras-devel! :P Jan 12 18:26:46 ~extras Jan 12 18:26:47 somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Jan 12 18:27:00 uf, too much extras Jan 12 18:42:40 2.5 mb, I was used to the assembler version running in 512 kb Jan 12 18:42:48 the ting look great Jan 12 18:43:02 let me find a module and see if it can even play... Jan 12 18:51:51 * johnx fails at debs Jan 12 18:54:44 oh damn, QWERTY12 U made my 2009 Jan 12 18:54:49 some minutes ago i packaged my first ported applikation for maemo Jan 12 18:55:03 ciroip, :) Jan 12 18:55:04 how hard it porting that app on the tablet? Jan 12 18:55:11 how do i upload it to the extra repo? Jan 12 18:55:15 quite easy Jan 12 18:55:35 ./configure && make without errors & warnings Jan 12 18:55:50 i dont need svn ord git.. Jan 12 18:56:03 well, ITs GREAT, I can relisten all the tim wright mods and cry on the years long gone Jan 12 18:56:10 wow, it really sound great Jan 12 18:58:06 ciroip, it wasn't much of a port tbh. I adapted the debian packaging for Maemo and made some of the default settings nicer, changed it to use the F5 key to fullscreen instead of alt+enter etc :). i think i edited debian/changelog with the stuff i'd done Jan 12 18:58:39 stv0, it builds a debian package correctly with dpkg-buildpackage? Jan 12 18:59:09 I also realised that SDL_putenv is there to cause problems & putenv does the job fine :) Jan 12 18:59:14 well, qwerty12_N800 maybe U dont know how much content that bring on the tablet Jan 12 18:59:24 johnx: yes Jan 12 18:59:52 stv0, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Jan 12 19:00:50 oh thanks Jan 12 19:02:52 aliens! Jan 12 19:04:43 lcuk: the movie? Jan 12 19:05:02 no, battery draining demons Jan 12 19:05:21 oh :) Jan 12 19:14:51 lcuk: excorsize your demons! Jan 12 19:26:16 yeah next application ported successfully ;) Jan 12 19:26:42 what is it? Jan 12 19:26:46 minicom Jan 12 19:27:13 my package passed the autobuilder last night but still not in the respective repository dir, any idea what's going on? Jan 12 19:27:16 just a smal terminal emulator for my serial to usb adapter Jan 12 19:27:33 i could just resign it and upload to diablo extas, but well Jan 12 19:30:29 disq, you don't need to sign anymore :) Jan 12 19:30:52 stv0: minicom is a term emulator type software? can it display ANSI graphics? Jan 12 19:30:57 with IBM characters? Jan 12 19:31:34 pupnik_: no it runs in a terminal and shows input from a serial port Jan 12 19:31:43 for example a old modem Jan 12 19:31:57 yeah Jan 12 19:32:19 pupnik_, www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26144 - Deuce forced me to build it :) Jan 12 19:32:41 as admin i can use this for maintance tasks on my headless servers Jan 12 19:33:14 kind of you, qwerty12_N800 Jan 12 19:33:39 stv0, pretty much what I figured. My first guess was routers though :) Jan 12 19:33:49 pupnik_, :) Jan 12 19:33:59 john_x: yes too Jan 12 19:34:30 oh syncterm has the same capabilities :) and a lot more funtions :) Jan 12 19:35:09 i think it's great that Addison is using a N8x0 to connect to DOS-era BBSes Jan 12 19:35:22 HTC 2009 lineup leaked: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2357 Jan 12 19:35:42 Enjoy and weep from knowing that all of these will run that hideous WinMobile =) Jan 12 19:36:10 pubnik_: whats bbs? Jan 12 19:36:10 RST38h, what about the "An Hero"? Jan 12 19:36:27 Bulletin Board System Jan 12 19:36:37 ok thx Jan 12 19:36:56 I used to run a bbs :) Jan 12 19:37:01 RST38h, aaah, I see. the models running other OSes aren't posted there. you should hit up engadget. link to all the leaked pictures on mediafire Jan 12 19:38:03 also, that whitestone W looks awfully familiar... Jan 12 19:38:35 johnx: it is a pink G1. You can dismiss it on this ground alone Jan 12 19:38:48 johnx: yea Jan 12 19:39:07 johnx: but I do think that all of them except for the pink (!) G1 run WinMob Jan 12 19:39:24 RST38h, yeah, it's crazy how once they make a render of a product the color is set in stone and can never be changed again Jan 12 19:40:03 it is a different design and codename than the G1. might have different internals or a different screen. *shrugs* Jan 12 19:41:11 johnx: Looks like G1 to me Jan 12 19:41:28 In fact, a lot of these look like newer models of existing phones Jan 12 19:42:29 it does resemble a G1 but it's clearly different. though why android can't run on something non-bananaphone shaped I'll never know Jan 12 19:42:52 I'm betting lower cost and keyboardless Jan 12 19:43:30 johnx: But you have no acquired a useful piece of knowledge Jan 12 19:43:41 johnx: Android can run on *pink bananaphones*! Jan 12 19:44:04 invisible pink bananaphones Jan 12 19:44:25 also: that "ring-ring-ring banana phone" video was actually a leaked piece of concept art Jan 12 19:44:42 s/leaked/escaped (?) Jan 12 19:47:05 are there LEDs that only emit photons in one exact direction (like a laser)? Jan 12 19:47:20 a lower cost kid/teen oriented android device would pretty much confirm what I thought about google's strategy Jan 12 19:47:47 maybe it'd be possible to make glasses that focus an image on the retina, without bulky lenses Jan 12 19:47:58 pupnik_, wikipedia says "laser diode" Jan 12 19:48:46 johnx: btw at some point we need to check our hildon-icons and sdk-default-icons.. i suspect some might be missing Jan 12 19:50:56 ok, should be able to check on that tomorrow Jan 12 19:53:12 as arrow, image/etc folder don't come up Jan 12 19:54:16 pupnik: laser LEDs :) Jan 12 19:54:29 pupnik: like ones in laser pointers Jan 12 19:55:01 Stskeeps, what version of debhelper is in MER SDK Jan 12 19:55:09 johnx: 5 :/ Jan 12 19:55:12 i'm not entirely sure why Jan 12 19:55:12 pupnik: I do suggest against directing them at your retina unless you have got any spare retinas Jan 12 19:55:18 ok. then all we need is a matrix of tiny ones, perfectly aligned to beam towards a focal point in the cornea Jan 12 19:55:35 pupnik: you don't Jan 12 19:55:40 oh. Jan 12 19:55:54 pupnik_, why not do it the way those pico dlp projectors do it? Jan 12 19:56:00 pupnik: All you need is ~$300-500 for glasses that will do the same with tiny displays and mirrors Jan 12 19:56:18 but they eye can't focus that close Jan 12 19:56:24 pupnik: They are already commercially available Jan 12 19:56:28 pupnik_, mirrors :) Jan 12 19:56:47 i am failing to visualize how that works Jan 12 19:56:53 RST38h, sadly the LCDs in those glasses aren't nicely transparent yet. quite annoying Jan 12 19:56:56 pupnik: the eye focuses just fine, it is all accounted for in the contruction Jan 12 19:57:21 johnx: there are different models, including ones projecting images onto the glasses themselves Jan 12 19:57:39 i saw a strange device with a mirror back around 1989 Jan 12 19:57:48 johnx: So, if you don't mind some extra weight and looking like a mix of Bono and Gordie Laforge... Jan 12 19:58:10 hah Jan 12 19:58:13 RST38h, yeah, that's the problem. I'd like to maintain some kind of social life Jan 12 19:58:16 pupnik: Virtual Boy? Jan 12 19:58:16 pupnik_, i wouldv thought you had seen strange things in mirrors all your life :P Jan 12 19:58:28 Stskeeps: using any maemo theme in Mer breaks some icons, like blutooth-applet. Jan 12 19:58:35 there's a certain geekiness threshold I'd like to stay beneath Jan 12 19:58:45 s/blu/blue Jan 12 19:58:48 lemme check what glasses are avilable right now Jan 12 19:58:49 oh THATs what it was. thanks lcuk Jan 12 19:59:19 RST38h, some very interesting consumer options at reasonable prices these days, but it's the same image on both eyes :/ Jan 12 20:00:00 Meiz_n810: yeah, fallback icon theme Jan 12 20:00:16 our time period feels so primitive compared to how i thought it would be when i was a kid Jan 12 20:00:44 pupnik_, and yet, here you are talking to people all over the world about handheld computers :) Jan 12 20:00:44 Meiz_n810: they're missing / we're missing some stupid rule with a fallback-icon-theme Jan 12 20:00:50 Stskeeps: if i don't copy maemos icons, it doesn't fall on any theme Jan 12 20:01:25 ok Jan 12 20:01:25 Meiz_n810: yeah, i know - i made titan specifically fall back to hildon Jan 12 20:01:27 pupnik_, BTW, I just saw the most terrifying "flying car" http://i.gizmodo.com/5129134/british-adventurer-to-traverse-europe-africa-in-his-amazing-skycar Jan 12 20:01:37 pupnik_, ??? really, we have flying cars http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7821979.stm more computing power in the palm of your hand than used to exist in entire buildings! Jan 12 20:01:58 lcuk, that looks awesome doesn't it? :D Jan 12 20:02:37 sadly doesn't fall under the ultralight category :/ Jan 12 20:02:56 yea - my dad has a paraglider (and normal glider/parasail stuff as well) - i REALLY want one of them Jan 12 20:03:00 johnx: http://www.vrealities.com/hmd.html Jan 12 20:03:07 johnx: here is the full range Jan 12 20:03:19 johnx: alas, they are all laforgian Jan 12 20:03:31 sweet jesus. someone shoot their web master O_o Jan 12 20:03:47 we are the borg. http://www.vrealities.com/vr1hmd.jpg Jan 12 20:04:04 lcuk: cute borg female Jan 12 20:05:26 you shes a photoshop. his real name is Roger Pennilsworth, hes a 23 stone trucker from eastern Halifax Jan 12 20:05:35 pardon Jan 12 20:05:38 Another list of HMDs: http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm Jan 12 20:05:40 -you Jan 12 20:05:47 lcuk, oi! Jan 12 20:05:56 RST38h, from 2006 :P Jan 12 20:05:58 Look at the Micro Optical ones - they are pretty decent and can be worn Jan 12 20:06:24 which one doesn't suck Jan 12 20:06:26 lolololol sorry qwerty12_N800 i forgot you were northern Jan 12 20:07:03 lcuk, no, it's just that qwerty is secretly a 23 stone trucker :D Jan 12 20:07:04 lcuk, grr :P Jan 12 20:07:09 :D Jan 12 20:07:49 oh noez, johnx has stumbled upon my other identity :p :D Jan 12 20:07:56 on closer inspection, that pirate borg wench is kinda attractive, but i would need more imagery Jan 12 20:08:46 RST38h, do you know if the ones on "vrealities" are actually capable of displaying two signals or is it something like shutter glasses? Jan 12 20:09:35 vrealities? theres head mountables with two displays Jan 12 20:10:29 yeah, they have two displays. but are they capable of accepting two different sources (even with hacking) or are they doing the 3D with shutters and alternating frames Jan 12 20:11:05 does it matter at 120hz? Jan 12 20:11:26 johnx: Dunno but the first review actually groups 3d capable glasses into a separate category Jan 12 20:11:58 hard to call it a "review" when they sell the things Jan 12 20:12:25 lcuk, which ones were running at 120Hz? Jan 12 20:12:52 when i was reading about the nvidia ones, i recall that was the frequency pushed out by the cards giving 60 each Jan 12 20:13:12 lcuk, aaah, but those are brand shiny new and don't even integrate the displays Jan 12 20:13:21 I'm digging through these ones RST38h linked Jan 12 20:13:31 johnx: ok, a catalogue, sorry Jan 12 20:14:08 mmmmmm no, i recall this from ages ago - i think i even saw it on zzz.com.ru Jan 12 20:15:02 lcuk, ah, well, they have new ones :) Jan 12 20:15:14 i just saw now Jan 12 20:16:29 # V8200 Deluxe - 64MB Frame Buffer Jan 12 20:16:29 # VGA + Video-in + TV-out + VR 3D glasses Jan 12 20:16:46 thats from 2001 :D its a 64mb geforce 3 Jan 12 20:17:39 right, for shutter glasses :P Jan 12 20:18:00 remember the helmet from mid '90s? Jan 12 20:18:06 Guy Gets Back Stolen Car and Phone by Texting Thieves He's Got Hot Girls and Drugs! Jan 12 20:18:09 so, bring your own LCD and watch it with shutter glasses, get nauseous in minutes and throw up on your keyboard Jan 12 20:18:24 * RST38h even remembers the Virtual Boy Jan 12 20:18:33 64 red LEDs, rotating mirror Jan 12 20:18:34 RST38h, hot girls? Jan 12 20:18:41 RST38h, I have a friend who collects virtual boy stuff :) Jan 12 20:18:55 johnx: very few games were released for it Jan 12 20:19:04 inside it used a NEC RISCish CPU Jan 12 20:19:29 hehe virtual boy, never saw one live Jan 12 20:19:37 RST38h, He's working on getting most of them. He's living in Japan scouring used game stores :) Jan 12 20:21:52 johnx: with the comment about nauseous.. i wondered if i ever had vertigo before in my life until recently, and you just reminded me, - yes, i did, when trying our a VR helmet at a fair Jan 12 20:22:50 our/out Jan 12 20:23:03 bummer. I don't think I don't remember getting sick while playing with some nice SGI VR stuff back in University Jan 12 20:23:09 but again....nice. SGI. stuff. Jan 12 20:23:29 anyways, hence my disinterest in "alternating frames / shutter glasses" Jan 12 20:24:56 wouldnt those need double the refresh rate of normal? Jan 12 20:25:46 shutter glasses? yes. actually, probably more than that Jan 12 20:26:07 I forgot how high Nvidia went with their recent pair that people finally find comfortable/usable Jan 12 20:26:42 OOo 3 now available :L Jan 12 20:26:50 "I will go with peace, into a night" Jan 12 20:26:52 "where no one is brighter or dumber" Jan 12 20:26:53 id guesstimate 150Hz Jan 12 20:26:53 "where beauty does not fall to blight" Jan 12 20:26:55 "and microsoft has not one customer" Jan 12 20:26:56 atleast needed Jan 12 20:26:58 s/:L/:)/ Jan 12 20:26:59 Meiz_n810 meant: OOo 3 now available :) Jan 12 20:27:24 jaska, looks like nvidia is getting by with 120 Jan 12 20:28:01 well, thatd be the bare minimum :D Jan 12 20:28:19 Meiz_n810: that'll be a miracle if it runs Jan 12 20:28:48 what do you mean? Jan 12 20:29:02 Meiz_n810: on tablet :P Jan 12 20:29:10 OOo 3 on my ubuntu-box is way faster than the 2.4 Jan 12 20:29:19 johnx: am i odd for wanting to explain to the gf the Mer stuff i'm doing is not free fantasy, and trying to prove i'm not insane like in 'A beautiful mind'? ;) Jan 12 20:29:35 free/pure Jan 12 20:29:37 it wont work Jan 12 20:29:48 why? Jan 12 20:30:03 she already thinks you are turning into RMS :P Jan 12 20:30:25 lcuk: i cut my beard recently Jan 12 20:30:26 :P Jan 12 20:30:28 Stskeeps, nope. not odd at all. my wife is very polite about it, but I get the feeling she's not that impressed yet, especially since OS2008 looks so much prettier at this point Jan 12 20:30:52 johnx: hehe. wazd's artwork + theme is a good step in the right direction ;) Jan 12 20:30:54 i was cutting my beard as well and would you believe it I found a whole chicken drumstick! Jan 12 20:31:09 Stskeeps, yeah. we really lucked out in that way :D Jan 12 20:31:29 lcuk, lucky! all I ever ended up with was rice :/ Jan 12 20:31:32 * Stskeeps reboots his tablet just to see the splash again Jan 12 20:31:53 I like the new splash too Jan 12 20:32:22 otherwise I'm seeing what I can break Jan 12 20:32:22 god i hate this file manager Jan 12 20:32:24 r2d2rogers: doesn't it mess up your X? Jan 12 20:32:29 yup Jan 12 20:32:32 fuN Jan 12 20:32:33 ah, good Jan 12 20:33:41 on the normal desktop the mer_9 image is quite reasonable, but elsewhere (liqbase) the white is very very bright and overpowering vs the rest Jan 12 20:34:14 * lcuk ponders Jan 12 20:38:14 hi Jan 12 20:42:39 what's the best way to get to the auto-startx ? Jan 12 20:42:56 maemo-launcher doesn't like when I just edit the gdm.conf file Jan 12 20:43:22 hmm? Jan 12 20:43:27 gdm starts X on its own Jan 12 20:43:30 remove auto-startx package Jan 12 20:43:46 in fact, it should conflict... Jan 12 20:46:10 hmm, maybe I'm being stupid but zenity's not building on armel, but is on x86 Jan 12 20:46:31 s/on/for Jan 12 20:46:47 I can get to the greeter screen, but how do I get it logged in automatically? Jan 12 20:47:04 r2d2rogers: there's a trick somewhere in deblet repo Jan 12 20:47:12 in gdm? there's settings to enable auto login Jan 12 20:47:33 auto-startx is something entirely different (much simpler) Jan 12 20:47:37 johnx: that's weird, yeah Jan 12 20:47:53 something about import libxml2 Jan 12 20:47:57 python huh? Jan 12 20:48:02 johnx: when I edit those options in gdm.conf, maemo-launcher gives an error when the X session dies in less than 10- seconds Jan 12 20:48:52 r2d2rogers, it dies because hildon-desktop is crashing for some reason. you might find the answer in ~/.xsession-errors Jan 12 20:49:22 johnx: will grab that error, talked about invoker and socket? Jan 12 20:49:36 not ringing a bell here Jan 12 20:49:50 but maemo stuff throws some *weird errors* for very odd reasons Jan 12 20:50:07 r2d2rogers: you dont have stuff in rc.local anymore, right? Jan 12 20:50:22 am I right in making a user and setting that user as the auto log in Jan 12 20:50:29 Stskeeps: correct, for now, just commented out Jan 12 20:50:48 * Stskeeps tries running nm-applet Jan 12 20:50:56 to see -wtf- stops it from working Jan 12 20:51:05 didn't i have it working in deblet in hildon? Jan 12 20:51:25 you did, but ifup also worked in deblet and isn't quite right in mer Jan 12 20:51:36 ~lart cx3110x Jan 12 20:51:36 * infobot beats cx3110x to within 2.54cm of his life Jan 12 20:51:46 ~botsnack Jan 12 20:51:46 aw, gee, johnx Jan 12 20:51:57 kernel build started Jan 12 20:52:13 RST38h, for which platform? Jan 12 20:52:35 johnx: stmp37xx Jan 12 20:53:02 want Mer on it? ;> Jan 12 20:53:31 my last kernel build was on a wii Jan 12 20:53:55 wow...man-db + qemu = pain Jan 12 20:54:01 touch /CurrentlyBuilding Jan 12 20:54:06 jacks back Jan 12 20:54:29 nah, jack's gone Jan 12 20:54:52 RST38h, gonna run emulators on someone's TV? Jan 12 20:56:50 something like that Jan 12 20:56:57 * Stskeeps wonders if the election campaigns for next council already started or something Jan 12 20:57:32 no, just random bitching Jan 12 20:57:36 Johnx for council - make me your emperor! Jan 12 20:58:30 * Stskeeps is perfectly fine in a coder position/managing projects Jan 12 20:58:31 :P Jan 12 20:59:00 I will lead us into a new age of ... ooooh, shiny, what was I talking about? Jan 12 20:59:19 Jan 12 20:59:45 * Stskeeps ponders idly what the helicopter outside is doing Jan 12 20:59:50 * qwerty12_N800 pledges to vote for johnx Jan 12 21:00:08 i'll vote for anyone who gets a sane wifi applet on mer Jan 12 21:00:08 :P Jan 12 21:00:18 re Jan 12 21:00:25 (without using nokia's ICD, that's cheating) Jan 12 21:00:30 Stskeeps, it's from Nokia in Finland doing espionage work to get Mer secrets Jan 12 21:00:46 speaking of which though Jan 12 21:00:49 wasn't icd1 OSS? Jan 12 21:01:03 no Jan 12 21:01:46 * Stskeeps ponders why network-manager depends on bluez-gnome Jan 12 21:01:59 it manages 3G connections too now Jan 12 21:02:14 nm is a pos, it'll depend on anything Jan 12 21:02:16 maybe it handles tethering as well? Jan 12 21:02:51 it's nice when it works, but yeah, it can be hard on wifi drivers that seem to work when brought up manually Jan 12 21:03:09 much better Jan 12 21:03:25 ok Jan 12 21:03:31 why the fuck does network manager depend on gweather Jan 12 21:03:36 -why- Jan 12 21:03:36 it should handle tethering Jan 12 21:03:36 ahahaha Jan 12 21:03:48 but i couldn't find how to pair from nm with my phone Jan 12 21:03:53 Stskeeps: whuh? Jan 12 21:03:54 qwerty12_N800, I was wrong, and you were right Jan 12 21:04:01 hell last ssu broke modest again Jan 12 21:04:10 aquatix: apt-get install network-manager-gnome brought in gweather Jan 12 21:04:17 RST38bis, works here. still getting my IHOP newsletter Jan 12 21:04:19 via-via i'd say Jan 12 21:04:21 johnx, with what? :) Jan 12 21:04:43 qwerty12_N800, about nm-applet being a dependency whore...gweather... Jan 12 21:04:54 johnx: asks me for passwords all the time Jan 12 21:04:55 heh :) Jan 12 21:05:07 * aquatix hops out again Jan 12 21:05:09 hf all Jan 12 21:06:33 gah! and now zenity's configure won't even run for me in my own mer sdk. think I might have killed it with apt-get or something :/ Jan 12 21:06:47 fakeroot apt-get? Jan 12 21:07:04 so does the default boot option work for anyone in Mer or do you all have to choose usb gadget or console for it to come up? Jan 12 21:07:08 yeah, used fakeroot apt-get to get zenity's build deps Jan 12 21:07:17 r2d2rogers: we switched to Xomap on n8x0 temporarily Jan 12 21:08:06 * Stskeeps wonders why hildon input method isn't working Jan 12 21:08:08 and now zenity's configure can't find gtk (I have mer's libgtk of course) Jan 12 21:08:11 * r2d2rogers googles Jan 12 21:08:26 Stskeeps, huh, worked a couple days ago Jan 12 21:08:29 r2d2rogers: just add in a fb_update_mode auto in your gdm script somewhere Jan 12 21:08:42 Stskeeps, does the 770 need that as well? Jan 12 21:08:53 johnx: we don't have Xomap on it Jan 12 21:09:13 (it was a pretty bad port :P) Jan 12 21:09:37 I have pretty Mer background this boot, instead of the grey one Jan 12 21:09:37 I always guessed that fb_update_mode stuff was a hack to deal with the n8x0's crappy LCD bus. didn't know it was an issue on the 770 Jan 12 21:09:52 keyword: guessed :) Jan 12 21:10:08 johnx: is just a matter if it updates it itself or manually i guess Jan 12 21:10:25 johnx, heh, fb is even more crap on n800 :D Jan 12 21:10:58 Stskeeps: in gdm.conf? Jan 12 21:11:07 qwerty12_N800, right, that's what I thought. the n8x0 is the only arm linux device I've seen with something relating to fb_update mode Jan 12 21:11:19 kind of assume the others are all "auto" Jan 12 21:11:36 r2d2rogers: the "right" solution is that we take xf86-video-omapfb and add in a fb update mode ioctl call :) Jan 12 21:11:42 like in fb_update_mode.c Jan 12 21:11:51 or as sui said earlier Jan 12 21:11:59 someone porting manual updates to it Jan 12 21:12:08 cool Jan 12 21:12:18 oooh nice crash Jan 12 21:12:50 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-NM.png Jan 12 21:13:02 a little further.. Jan 12 21:14:04 Stskeeps: sweet Jan 12 21:15:04 wonder if GeneralAntilles will do up some nice icons for nm-applet if we ask real nice Jan 12 21:16:30 GA's artistic? :P Jan 12 21:16:53 he did some icons for advanced backlight Jan 12 21:17:32 ah Jan 12 21:17:38 * Stskeeps wonders why there's no .gconf Jan 12 21:18:20 then again neither is there in maemo Jan 12 21:20:51 /etc/gconf/ ? Jan 12 21:21:36 andre___: not writable by user on maemo Jan 12 21:21:41 (that was my first guess too) Jan 12 21:21:56 garr, i always forget the path :) Jan 12 21:22:19 Stskeeps: what's the status of Mer btw? Jan 12 21:22:20 /var/lib/gconf Jan 12 21:23:07 ah right... Jan 12 21:23:17 qwerty12_N800: yougottabekiddingme Jan 12 21:23:26 Stskeeps, no shit Jan 12 21:23:30 Hi!1 Jan 12 21:24:26 b-man: now with splash screen, using Xomap temporarily again, theming working, transparency.. Jan 12 21:24:38 cool Jan 12 21:24:51 The path's hacked by Maemo ppl - at least that's what is said when you import a schema anyway... Jan 12 21:25:05 problems with xserver-xorg? :) Jan 12 21:25:11 and as soon as I get zenity to build again I'll need victims for first-boot-wizard Jan 12 21:25:14 b-man: just wanted it to be a little faster Jan 12 21:25:33 qwerty12_N800: it's worse yet though Jan 12 21:25:33 gconf-dir -> /var/lib/gconf Jan 12 21:25:38 in /etc/osso-af-init Jan 12 21:25:50 eurgh... Jan 12 21:25:52 * Stskeeps passes around the bong Jan 12 21:26:02 lol Jan 12 21:26:10 * qwerty12_N800 puffs Jan 12 21:26:18 * b-man puffs Jan 12 21:26:21 johnx: so, it definately worked while in root. Jan 12 21:26:22 hildon input method still working for me now under a user login Jan 12 21:26:27 weird Jan 12 21:26:28 but ok Jan 12 21:26:39 * Stskeeps votes for $HOME/.gconf Jan 12 21:26:47 doesn't looks pretty ;0 Jan 12 21:27:02 OBJECTION! Jan 12 21:27:15 i have a /var/lib/gconf under ubuntu as well... Jan 12 21:27:26 johnx: probably system-wide Jan 12 21:27:34 this is per user Jan 12 21:27:37 well Jan 12 21:27:38 one user Jan 12 21:27:40 aaah, user values in /var/lib/gconf? Jan 12 21:27:42 yeah Jan 12 21:28:14 Nokia, Nokia...I'm not angry...just disappointed Jan 12 21:28:15 one question... where is the sql database of the connection password ?? Jan 12 21:28:36 s/sql/gconf/ Jan 12 21:28:42 johnx: we should adopt the santicity of having user settings in. $HOME! Jan 12 21:29:14 Stskeeps, yes. and we can call our new system UNIX. we could maybe even support more than one user per system... Jan 12 21:29:34 nah, it'll never catch on Jan 12 21:29:45 johnx, what will be the licensing fees? :> Jan 12 21:30:53 qwerty12_N800, cheapish to universities, or if you're using it as an excuse to get super star trek running Jan 12 21:32:00 johnx, hmm, don't think my needs fit into that criteria. i'll let microsoft have free rein over my piggy bank instead :) Jan 12 21:32:42 heh Jan 12 21:33:01 * b-man hates windows Jan 12 21:33:29 hurrrah Jan 12 21:33:34 xD Jan 12 21:33:40 it runs! Jan 12 21:33:41 :D Jan 12 21:35:00 b-man: status on installer then? Jan 12 21:36:19 random reboots Jan 12 21:36:52 i'll be uploading a newer version sometime soon (i've been a little busy with non-computer related stuff) Jan 12 21:37:14 i just joined track at my school :D Jan 12 21:37:23 athlete? scary Jan 12 21:37:44 yep, i'm in cross-country and track :D Jan 12 21:37:52 johnx: objections to hogging builder a bit with gconf? Jan 12 21:39:27 * b-man likes to run a lot XD Jan 12 21:39:43 Stskeeps, go for it. I guess zenity is not to be tonight. I have no idea why it's messing up Jan 12 21:40:28 ahaha...I was in track. totally unrelated to being athletic Jan 12 21:41:25 lol - i allmost made varsity im cross-country :D Jan 12 21:41:33 edit: in Jan 12 21:42:18 i could probably have been good at running since i had practice from running away from bullies chasing me, but yeah.. geekdom appeared instead Jan 12 21:42:34 lol XD Jan 12 21:42:40 heh...I'm pretty much in better shape now than I ever was in school Jan 12 21:42:52 heh Jan 12 21:43:34 i shouldn't have stopped biking to school each day :P Jan 12 21:44:04 hehe Jan 12 21:44:08 I have no real choice but walking if I want to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time Jan 12 21:44:12 hey there Jan 12 21:44:17 hi Jan 12 21:45:38 johnx, generally though, is life in Japan good? :) Jan 12 21:46:06 qwerty12_N800, generally I really like it. Though after you live two places you're never 100% happy in either one :) Jan 12 21:46:18 * b-man would like to live in japan :) Jan 12 21:46:50 and as much as I miss driving I really enjoy being able to walk places or take the train and not get held up in rush hour traffic Jan 12 21:46:51 I wonder about buying an n810, seeing that n9xx won't be there soon. But I'd like a qwerty one and I'm in France, where I guess it'll be an azerty one. But I'll be at FOSDEM next month, do you think it'll be possible to catch a qwerty unit there? Jan 12 21:47:42 you can always adjust the keymap though Jan 12 21:48:19 Stskeeps: yeah but that's not exactly the same thing, especially for weird chars Jan 12 21:48:29 *nod* Jan 12 21:48:35 johnx, :) Jan 12 21:48:50 Corsac: try ask a question on internettablettalk .. i think some of nokia people are going Jan 12 21:48:52 and I'm now used to qwerty :) Jan 12 21:49:11 Stskeeps: do they have a chan, or on the web forum? Jan 12 21:49:18 internettablettalk.com/forums Jan 12 21:49:24 nokia/maemo people weigh in often so Jan 12 21:49:35 qwerty12_N800, and actually, I think the US has access to the most/cheapest gadgets that people actually want :) Jan 12 21:50:38 johnx, hehe, my sister is always moaning about how things are a lot cheaper in the US than they are in the UK :D Jan 12 21:51:18 qwerty12_N800, and I am too :) Really, though I'm comparing street prices here to internet ordering in the US Jan 12 21:51:38 not exactly a fair comparison given how much it costs to rent shop-space here Jan 12 21:52:16 for gadgets and such, net shops has pretty much taken over here Jan 12 21:52:23 except for phones Jan 12 21:52:30 and expensive retail Jan 12 21:53:19 it's starting to really catch on here too, but I think not as fast as in the US/EU Jan 12 21:53:52 I hear that the Japanese people are pretty decent when it comes to shopkeeping & things, like I once read about this guy who bought a "laser printer" but when he got home & opened the box, it had a massive book in it so he went back and the shop let him exchange it without complaint Jan 12 21:53:52 having the EU quite helps trade in that area Jan 12 21:54:31 qwerty12_N800, for stuff like that yes, for returning partially defective things it's closer to "buyer beware" Jan 12 21:55:00 ah... :/ Jan 12 21:55:16 and then there's the fact that the shops selling the most interesting things are sometimes a folding table in an alley :D Jan 12 21:55:47 hehe :D Jan 12 21:56:56 if it wasnt for the risk of confiscation i would probably go get some strange copy things and hack them to run mer in HK or the likes.. Jan 12 21:56:59 :P Jan 12 21:58:47 you & johnx should move to China where you can sell knockoff N800's with Mer & things like icd & flash with it :p Jan 12 21:58:52 What strange copy things? Jan 12 21:59:11 RST38bis, all those Chinese knock-off products you hate Jan 12 21:59:35 * RST38h does not hate Chinese knock off products. He just buyer-bewares them Jan 12 21:59:36 how can you use tab or auto complete in xchat on a n810 Jan 12 21:59:38 (tm) Jan 12 22:00:39 qwerty12_N800: good business model Jan 12 22:02:25 hehe Jan 12 22:03:01 johnx: what's the difference between maemo zenity and zenity ubuntu? Jan 12 22:03:56 johnx: is your first-boot-wizard in repo the one to be tested, btw? Jan 12 22:05:19 mac10 :P Jan 12 22:05:25 ? Jan 12 22:06:05 testing something & mac-10 was the first thing i thought of :p Jan 12 22:06:09 hehe Jan 12 22:06:16 Stskeeps, ask qwerty12_N800 about the difference between ubuntu zenity and maemo zenitty Jan 12 22:06:49 qwerty12_N800: ? :P Jan 12 22:07:01 Stskeeps, hmm? :p Jan 12 22:07:26 what's the difference between ubuntu zenity and maemo zenity? Jan 12 22:08:29 not a lot, I packaged it into separate packages, removed the code that uses libgnomecanvas (it's only used on about screen anyway) to remove the gnomecanvas dep Jan 12 22:08:31 Stskeeps, I think to think a little. :P Jan 12 22:08:56 GeneralAntilles: a-what? :P Jan 12 22:09:17 Artistic Jan 12 22:09:21 ah Jan 12 22:09:30 I had offered to do the icons for adv-connectivity Jan 12 22:09:55 Sts Jan 12 22:10:08 Shadow_M: ? Jan 12 22:10:24 sorry trying to figure out auto complete Jan 12 22:10:28 on xchat Jan 12 22:10:30 ah Jan 12 22:11:32 GeneralAntilles, woo! that would be awesome Jan 12 22:12:00 yeah, nm-applet needs a dire replacement of icons :P Jan 12 22:12:10 yay! dire icons! Jan 12 22:12:12 wait... Jan 12 22:12:25 dire-icon-theme :) Jan 12 22:12:37 Stskeeps, what should I base them on? Jan 12 22:12:39 Echo? Jan 12 22:13:12 well, that's a good question Jan 12 22:13:37 GeneralAntilles: it really depends on how close to nokia icons we dare to be.. Jan 12 22:13:49 adv-backlight is based on Echo Jan 12 22:14:04 what is the license for Nokia icons? Jan 12 22:14:31 there's actually a whole chapter on that in licensing, i think Jan 12 22:14:39 in the EULA for downloading firmware images Jan 12 22:15:42 * Stskeeps pats the splash screen Jan 12 22:15:59 (which has a double meaning since a wallpaper of water..) Jan 12 22:16:58 my package passed the autobuilder last night but still not in the respective repository dir, any idea what's going on? the dir seems to be created but is empty Jan 12 22:17:23 Stskeeps, well, I'm not sure I'm up for more than a derivative. ;) Jan 12 22:18:03 johnx: first try didn't work but then again it wasn't a fresh image Jan 12 22:18:50 Stskeeps, build what now? gconf? Jan 12 22:19:14 johnx: well it brought in your first-boot-wizard too so Jan 12 22:19:27 and zenity Jan 12 22:20:07 checking fs Jan 12 22:21:28 anyone use nick autocompletion on xchat Jan 12 22:22:15 ~RST38h Jan 12 22:22:30 oh, how to see last online time?) Jan 12 22:22:39 ~seen RST38h Jan 12 22:22:40 ~seen wazd Jan 12 22:22:42 rst38h is currently on #maemo (5d 10h 47m 29s). Has said a total of 1030 messages. Is idling for 8m 38s, last said: 'what is the license for Nokia icons?'. Jan 12 22:22:42 wazd is currently on #maemo (6m 42s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 11s, last said: 'oh, how to see last online time?)'. Jan 12 22:22:45 oh, you're here) Jan 12 22:23:02 wazd, tab-completion is a good way to find out. ;) Jan 12 22:23:06 thanks anyway :) Jan 12 22:23:08 RST Jan 12 22:23:20 wazd: dcc pending Jan 12 22:23:37 RST38h: yep, it was banned for acception somehow Jan 12 22:23:39 johnx: btw, change plankton to default Jan 12 22:23:49 RST38h: can you e-mail it? Jan 12 22:23:58 wazd: give me an email address, no problem Jan 12 22:24:09 RST38h: drew.zhilin@gmail.com Jan 12 22:24:23 no an- ? Jan 12 22:24:23 i know to use tab but i mean auto nick completion on the maemo xchat Jan 12 22:24:25 Stskeeps, hmm? Jan 12 22:24:42 johnx: in first-boot-wizard.sh Jan 12 22:24:52 ah, alright, got it Jan 12 22:25:14 RST38h: yep, some bastard already got my name( Jan 12 22:25:17 hmhm, and is there an us-intl keymap on maemo 4? Jan 12 22:25:23 sent Jan 12 22:25:52 RST38h: I need to make some homepage since I bought nice domain zhil.in :) Jan 12 22:26:03 umgh Jan 12 22:26:15 too bad there is no .ok top domain Jan 12 22:26:45 RST38h, wait til Oklahoma secedes? Jan 12 22:26:58 * qwerty12_N800 wishes that the rules weren't so strict on co.ck :( Jan 12 22:27:11 johnx: I almost feel like hastening the events... Jan 12 22:29:18 johnx: is xinit standard btw? Jan 12 22:29:41 Stskeeps, part of startx I think Jan 12 22:29:44 hm Jan 12 22:29:56 it is standard for x11 Jan 12 22:30:16 and in fact can be installed without an x server :) Jan 12 22:30:41 * Stskeeps wonders why the wizard isn't run Jan 12 22:31:02 wait, so you have a zenity for armel built? Jan 12 22:31:09 just used the gnome one Jan 12 22:31:14 i had NM-applet in anyway Jan 12 22:31:37 which brings in gweather and other friendly libraries Jan 12 22:31:42 so were you already using auto-startx? Jan 12 22:31:55 yeah, but i removed etc/default/autologin Jan 12 22:32:39 well then I don't know, I didn't really test the versions that I sent to the builder Jan 12 22:32:43 k Jan 12 22:34:16 lol, you guys are ridiculous with that cohesive community thread Jan 12 22:34:36 Completely insistent on turning it around into a blame Nokia festival instead of looking at where we could be improving our community. Jan 12 22:34:44 * Stskeeps hasn't been participating :) Jan 12 22:34:55 Yup Jan 12 22:35:01 GeneralAntilles: post coming on this subject Jan 12 22:35:07 Do I qualify as ridiculous? :) Jan 12 22:35:42 and I'm talking about the thread, no random abuse please! ;) Jan 12 22:35:42 lardman|home, it's OK, you're always ridiculous. :P Jan 12 22:35:51 yep, there it was :D Jan 12 22:36:00 Too late! :P Jan 12 22:36:03 GeneralAntilles, the reality is that people don't want to start (potentially) dead-end projects, so we're in limbo right now Jan 12 22:36:52 johnx, which is fine, but he's not asking for new projects. :) Jan 12 22:37:06 * RST38h sees nothing wrong in blaming Nokia, especially after Quim kinda bit the bullet Jan 12 22:37:09 Jaffa: well, I agree that there should be more details, but bubbles looks silly :) Jan 12 22:37:34 I think the shirt/hat concept goes over people's heads too often. Jan 12 22:37:38 wazd: pfft, it's the sea, it should be something wattery at least. Jan 12 22:38:17 Jaffa: I was thinking bout some plants (and bubbles then :) Jan 12 22:38:20 fish! Jan 12 22:38:30 someone really needs to make an aquarium screensaver.. Jan 12 22:38:36 Subtle, outline fish type things Jan 12 22:38:36 octopuses! more octopuses! Jan 12 22:38:42 GeneralAntilles, but contributing to old Nokia projects is agrivating, and contributing to diablo projects that might not be relevant in 6 months is depressing Jan 12 22:38:50 * Jaffa throws his petrol on the fire of the "cohesive community" thread Jan 12 22:38:58 johnx, THIS IS NOT ABOUT NOKIA. Jan 12 22:38:59 * RST38h tries to figure out what would be the plural from "octopus" Jan 12 22:39:02 johnx: It's nothing to do with Nokia, diablo or Fremantle. Jan 12 22:39:20 octopuses :) Jan 12 22:39:28 Jaffa, we decided on a Nokia shark. ;) Jan 12 22:39:36 johnx: If you're active and supporting a project, the author's more likely to carry it on into whatever changes fremantle and harmattan bring. The app will get better. The developer will get a discount. Jan 12 22:39:48 a nokia tire laying on the bottom.. Jan 12 22:40:01 aaaaaargh Jan 12 22:40:11 Stskeeps: since there's no bottom... Jan 12 22:40:17 GeneralAntilles: reminds me of http://bleb.org/software/maemo/finding-maemo2.jpg Jan 12 22:40:21 octopus has three plural forms: octopuses, octopi, octopodes Jan 12 22:40:50 johnx, this doesn't really have anything to do with the Fremantle transition, either, as it's a problem that existed at OS2008's peak. Jan 12 22:40:51 Jaffa: i find it elegant how you mixed these two topics Jan 12 22:41:09 johnx, blaming it on the limbo situation just smells of a weak temporary excuse. Jan 12 22:41:21 GeneralAntilles, then the "problem" is we have a lot of users and not many devs Jan 12 22:41:36 Another poor excuse Jan 12 22:41:44 johnx: Devs need testers. Bug triagers. Documentation writers. Feedback. Suggestions. Jan 12 22:41:45 Since users are perfectly capable of contributing in their own ways Jan 12 22:41:50 what he said ^^^ Jan 12 22:41:52 As qgil said, coding isn't the only answer. Jan 12 22:42:09 s/devs/motivated people/ Jan 12 22:42:09 johnx meant: GeneralAntilles, then the "problem" is we have a lot of users and not many motivated people Jan 12 22:42:12 yeah, but devs have only so much time to write new and cool apps Jan 12 22:42:12 * Jaffa ponders turning http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=256991&postcount=54 into a blog post. Jan 12 22:42:13 I like contributing to software, no matter what age it is :) Jan 12 22:42:44 johnx, fair enough, we do lack motivated people, but part of qgil's purpose was to come up with ways to get people motivated! Jan 12 22:42:45 lardman|home: we've got loads of stagnant (developer thinks no-one uses it) and poor quality (no-one's testing it and encouraging the dev) apps Jan 12 22:42:48 I guess when I think "devs" I tend to included anyone helping a project "develop" Jan 12 22:42:56 Since I wont get anything monetary, I'm doing it for pleasure and skill :) Jan 12 22:43:09 wazd, apply for the discount program. :P Jan 12 22:43:13 GeneralAntilles, it doesn't work like that. What we need is to get people who are motivated excited about maemo Jan 12 22:43:41 General: for what?) Jan 12 22:43:42 recovering maemoholics Jan 12 22:43:52 GeneralAntilles, right now maemo is a cushy user platform, but it's not all that attractive as a dev platform Jan 12 22:44:13 wazd, remember the discount program for the 770, N800 an N810? Jan 12 22:44:13 GeneralAntilles: maybe an incentive could be on-going discount program Jan 12 22:44:25 i mean, i own a n800, but occasionally a n810 would be good to develop for Jan 12 22:44:33 (i know i can get it through other sources) Jan 12 22:44:35 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/announce/13873 Jan 12 22:44:36 General: actualy no) Jan 12 22:44:36 Jaffa: of course, and if we had more devs more of these apps would get some love as peoples' interests would overlap more Jan 12 22:44:43 no discount will solve the problem if you abandon the system after 6-8 months Jan 12 22:45:00 RST38h, I'm not talking about it solving any problems. :rolleyes: Jan 12 22:45:18 RST38h: well that's only a problem now that we know something better is around the corner, I think that's the real issue here Jan 12 22:45:23 I'm recommending that wazd should seek his monetary incentive by applying for one when the new program (hopefully) opens. Jan 12 22:45:39 lardman: guess, how long until Nokia moves on from Fremantle? Jan 12 22:45:49 GeneralAntilles: whoa, pretty nice! But useless in Russia since we haven't got Nokia online shop :) Jan 12 22:46:22 RST38h, presumably about as long as it took them to move on from OMAP2 Jan 12 22:46:25 2 years Jan 12 22:46:31 wazd: that is solvable Jan 12 22:46:45 GeneralAntilles, you're forgetting an API break in the midle Jan 12 22:46:48 wazd: order to us, then ask someone to bring it back Jan 12 22:46:52 I know their strategy is moving towards more stable development. Jan 12 22:47:16 General: johnx is right, there is an API break planned somewhere on the road to harmattan Jan 12 22:47:25 api break isn't as bad (imho) as a hardware leap in terms of motivation right now Jan 12 22:47:47 lardman: actually, for application guys this should not matter much Jan 12 22:47:56 and it doesn't even matter if it's "planned" or if it's only something devs worry about when they decide how to spend their time Jan 12 22:48:03 lardman: but it is absolutely killing systems guys Jan 12 22:48:18 Well, API break wasn't that bad as I remember OMWeather developement :) Jan 12 22:48:18 true, the issue there is not quite knowing what will be in Fremantle and not wanting to create something that will be in there Jan 12 22:48:27 GeneralAntilles: has bounty work been considered? Jan 12 22:48:44 it might float slightly better in these economical times Jan 12 22:48:51 RST38h: well I can quite happily hack at systems stuff, but I agree I can't really plan for the next platform yet Jan 12 22:49:13 I don't see money as being the problem here really Jan 12 22:50:08 in fact the only issue I have is a lack of time (it being the start of the year and all) and some vague motivational factors as I want to see new hw (but these are pretty vague, there's still plenty to do on the current platform) Jan 12 22:50:11 let's try this: There are a lot of little things that can be improved to motivate current potential devs/testers/doc writers. It's not one big problem Jan 12 22:50:24 we're all talking about the problem *we each* see as the biggest Jan 12 22:51:15 why cant we write stuff that works on everything Jan 12 22:51:22 lcuk, exactly! Jan 12 22:51:34 lcuk, and that's Mer, right there. Jan 12 22:51:51 lcuk: We can, with applications Jan 12 22:52:09 what cant you do? Jan 12 22:52:12 lcuk: Systems stuff is very sensitive to hardware and the low level software Jan 12 22:52:30 there isn't that much systems stuff in maemo, honestly.. Jan 12 22:52:31 like what? Jan 12 22:52:35 it's mostly systemui and ke-recv magic Jan 12 22:52:37 camera is gstreamer Jan 12 22:52:50 screen is screen Jan 12 22:52:52 x is x Jan 12 22:53:03 lcuk: Screen depth may change Jan 12 22:53:15 and? Jan 12 22:53:22 lcuk: Audio API may change. Camera API and resolution may change. Jan 12 22:53:24 video modes exist Jan 12 22:53:29 gstreamer Jan 12 22:53:32 RST38h: audio api is changing, they announced already :P Jan 12 22:53:36 lcuk: DSP will change (lardman's work goes to nil) Jan 12 22:53:47 granted, but also expected Jan 12 22:53:51 but it's esound -> pulseaudio. not much of a change Jan 12 22:53:56 can look at the beagle progress Jan 12 22:53:59 Jaffa, striking a nerve probably cuts right to the heart of it. Jan 12 22:54:03 lcuk: video modes do not always exist. in fact, with these arm systems there is usually one mode only Jan 12 22:54:04 anyone here use chat on a n810 Jan 12 22:54:29 RST38h, why would you think there will be much less than now? Jan 12 22:54:30 RST38h: re dsp stuff, that's fine, I'm sure I can write something else to use it Jan 12 22:54:42 lcuk: not much less, different Jan 12 22:54:59 lcuk: imagine Nokia taking away your YUV mode support Jan 12 22:55:01 about this rss reader, are people actually interested in it? I'd like a better one, but it's way down my list of things to do Jan 12 22:55:04 yeah - ive taken the core of liqbase - everything screen graphics events and have them in x86 Jan 12 22:55:20 Shadow_M: i'm chatting with my N800 right now :) Jan 12 22:55:22 RST38h, i have been reading problems with xv on the beagle Jan 12 22:55:22 lardman: I am using Google Reader in iPhone mode Jan 12 22:55:26 i know there may be issues Jan 12 22:55:31 but that will not stop me from working Jan 12 22:55:33 lardman: it is way better than Nokia's abomination Jan 12 22:55:45 johnx: my bad @ the error Jan 12 22:55:51 b-man do you use auto nick completion Jan 12 22:55:53 lardman|home, ive got a base example :) Jan 12 22:55:56 lcuk: but why work now if nobody will need it? Jan 12 22:55:59 i dont see how it works Jan 12 22:56:01 Stskeeps, ah, what was it? Jan 12 22:56:05 *I* need it Jan 12 22:56:07 me Jan 12 22:56:16 johnx: dpkg-deb of xserver-xomap as a user.. Jan 12 22:56:18 lcuk: Then you are a special case :) Jan 12 22:56:25 maybe i am :) Jan 12 22:56:34 Anyways, I definitely have to go get some sleep. Jan 12 22:56:42 1:56 Jan 12 22:56:42 Shadow_M: no, i don't think i do Jan 12 22:56:48 RST38h, just because today we are getting nice omap3, the omap2 cpu will continue Jan 12 22:57:05 because there is an option b-man to use it without tab Jan 12 22:57:08 there will be devices still using these chips for however long in the future Jan 12 22:57:18 lcuk: Once you get omap3 in your hands, I will see whether you will want to continue with omap2 ;) Jan 12 22:57:25 ho ho ho ho ho Jan 12 22:57:31 thats fine, ive always said i will move on eventually Jan 12 22:57:36 but i want as much in place for when i do Jan 12 22:57:48 lcuk's gonna drop OMAP2 like a ton of bricks. Jan 12 22:57:52 Shadow_M: tab? Jan 12 22:58:10 ive got a 1.6ghz touchscreen laptop here that runs like shit off a shovel Jan 12 22:58:22 sometimes lads working in a constrained environment is rewarding Jan 12 22:58:31 without using tab because you have to hit chr then tab to us tab b-man Jan 12 22:58:36 i aim to have the most power efficient/fastest implementation of stuff i can achieve Jan 12 22:58:41 Every lcuk application for OMAP3 is going to have an incredibly detailed 3D animation of lcuk flying around with his RX-51 in the background. Jan 12 22:58:58 going "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" in stereo Jan 12 22:59:17 why though? the user does not get optimum experience if i fatten up Jan 12 22:59:21 <||cw> andiwaslikeweeeeeeee! Jan 12 22:59:28 ive always coded for lowest common denom Jan 12 22:59:33 <||cw> lcuk: easter-egg Jan 12 22:59:40 and as i build this it gets easier :) Jan 12 22:59:50 lcuk: and when did you stop writing windows apps? Jan 12 22:59:52 lcuk, because OMAP3 kicks OMAP2's ass so freaking hard. :P Jan 12 22:59:58 mavhc, i still do Jan 12 23:00:12 johnx: hehe, this is disturbing :) dialog box coming up on top of console Jan 12 23:00:16 GeneralAntilles, cpu power does not equate to a good system Jan 12 23:00:27 i still seem to have hildon-input-method problems, curious Jan 12 23:00:33 Stskeeps, :D it didn't do a screen update Jan 12 23:01:00 as for hildon-input-method, it worked for me earlier, but that was before hildon-desktop breakage and repair Jan 12 23:02:35 johnx: heh, imagine how crazy you would have become if you had continued down debian-beta2 path.. Jan 12 23:03:36 Stskeeps, beta2/beta3 you mean? yeah. n800 needs too much custom stuff. On the zaurus "debian customization" was done in a couple packages :/ Jan 12 23:03:58 I just installed usbcontrol should I be able to use pretty much any standard usb keyboard? Jan 12 23:04:20 yigal, as long as it doesn't take too much power Jan 12 23:06:17 b-man do you see the option Jan 12 23:06:37 johnx: http://rafb.net/p/SDzNWq40.html Jan 12 23:06:41 output of first-boot-wizard Jan 12 23:06:54 mavhc, i have it in my head that if you build from strong basic foundations anything is possible Jan 12 23:06:56 i wonder if it's just cos my h-d configuration is shot or something Jan 12 23:06:58 er Jan 12 23:07:00 h-i-m Jan 12 23:07:08 i think i'll run an imager tonight Jan 12 23:07:15 and see if it helps Jan 12 23:07:24 huh. never saw that before. I can firmly say: not my fault :) Jan 12 23:07:29 hehe Jan 12 23:08:58 Shadow_M: yes Jan 12 23:09:31 GeneralAntilles, how long till i can flying around my room? Jan 12 23:09:57 lcuk, depends on if Nokia ships that cool new anti-grav technology they've been keeping from us. Jan 12 23:10:02 b-man does it work for you how do you initialize it without tab Jan 12 23:10:17 * Jaffa beds after changing a stinky nappy Jan 12 23:10:19 they shipped me that last year Jan 12 23:10:46 ewww jaffa gnite Jan 12 23:11:02 g'night Jan 12 23:17:12 let's just hope he has a baby Jan 12 23:17:53 heh Jan 12 23:18:33 mavhc: he does don't worry, and a new one at that Jan 12 23:18:57 * b-man is a little confused atm Jan 12 23:19:27 lardman|home, the problem i see with the rss reader type app is if hildon desktop remains Jan 12 23:19:39 well remember the first rules of babies: don't sell them Jan 12 23:19:52 im sure theres others Jan 12 23:19:57 mavhc: no, that's second rule.. first rule is remember to feed them Jan 12 23:20:07 that's the principle of tamogotchi Jan 12 23:20:07 lol Jan 12 23:20:32 note: babies do not eat bacon butties for at least 3 months Jan 12 23:20:49 what about tamagotchies? Jan 12 23:21:04 are they edible? Jan 12 23:22:00 Stskeeps: tamogotchi?..... lol Jan 12 23:22:14 I'm sure babies will try to eat tamogotchies Jan 12 23:24:34 do most standard usb keyboards fit into the max. current, 200mA, provided by an n800? Jan 12 23:25:27 pssst, the max is 100 Jan 12 23:25:43 oh :( Jan 12 23:25:56 that might explain why its not working ;) Jan 12 23:26:14 check the label on the underside of the kb, it normally tells you rating Jan 12 23:27:04 ok, have to find one as my laptop died on me and I need something to write on. Jan 12 23:27:32 if you have a powered hub i believe it works through it Jan 12 23:27:42 lcuk: yeah, there are a number of issues with the rss reader, though I imagine there will be a desktop + applets of some form Jan 12 23:28:01 yeah but depending on the api it may well not fit Jan 12 23:28:24 lcuk: that's a good idea! Jan 12 23:28:35 :) Jan 12 23:28:52 lardman|home, you should start to work on the Downloads integration for h-a-m. :P Jan 12 23:28:55 lardman|home, of course the backend can be completed easily Jan 12 23:29:24 h-a-m = ? app manager? Jan 12 23:29:36 yeah, its being replaced by b-a-c-o-n Jan 12 23:29:47 what's h?) Jan 12 23:29:52 lcuk: thanks, off to get a keyboard, best Jan 12 23:30:04 hildon Jan 12 23:30:11 GeneralAntilles: yes, good point, I want to get the barcode app working first though Jan 12 23:30:13 oh) Jan 12 23:30:26 wazd: h=hildon Jan 12 23:30:26 * lcuk still has a button waiting on the camera screen Jan 12 23:30:34 lardman|home, we need barcodes for Extras applications! Jan 12 23:30:55 p-o-r-k is better :) More global :D Jan 12 23:30:58 yeah there's an idea, no install files, use barcodes instead Jan 12 23:31:00 Then you can hand that one other Maemo user you've ever encountered a business card for your app. :P Jan 12 23:31:12 lol Jan 12 23:31:34 Actually, though, that might be kinda cool for tradeshows and Summits. Jan 12 23:31:45 GeneralAntilles, i think holly is a bit pissed off with lardman giving her business cards Jan 12 23:31:54 Scannable barcode that'll take you to the Downloads entry in h-a-m. Jan 12 23:32:13 I'd be pissed if lardman|home gave me business cards, too. Jan 12 23:32:32 whoa, PS even saves the layer that was selected Jan 12 23:32:42 never noticed that before Jan 12 23:33:11 GeneralAntilles: well if you pay for the beer and the flight I'll come over and give you a business card :) Jan 12 23:33:21 ah pissed-off, of course ;) Jan 12 23:33:27 Hehe Jan 12 23:33:54 right, time for bed Jan 12 23:33:58 night all Jan 12 23:33:58 * GeneralAntilles can just imagine lardman|home knocking on my door, handing me a card, then leaving. Jan 12 23:34:07 night Jan 12 23:34:07 gnite lardman|home Jan 12 23:34:08 wow! Jan 12 23:34:10 no, he'd demand the beer too! :) Jan 12 23:34:17 bye chaps Jan 12 23:35:05 Ha http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/12/vaio-p-doesnt-have-nothin-on-these-other-awesome-pocket-friend/#continued Jan 12 23:37:53 win :) Jan 12 23:38:14 so what kind of market is there for something that "almost looks pocketable but really isn't" Jan 12 23:38:34 is this a big new trend? is Nokia missing out by having a small pocketable tablet? Jan 12 23:41:17 Hehe Jan 12 23:41:48 johnx: It's actually pocketable, it's just not pulled down Jan 12 23:43:31 thoughtfix seems to be continually drifting away from Maemo. Jan 12 23:45:01 yeah, I'll leave my $1000 laptop sticking out of my pocket Jan 12 23:46:22 okay. a kid screaming next door and crying the night before an exam is always the best. Jan 12 23:46:28 mavhc, somebody should Photoshop a "steal me" post-it for it. Jan 12 23:46:29 Stskeeps, I could post up a zenity deb I built natively if you want to try it. any interest? Jan 12 23:46:43 Stskeeps, go pop him in the mouth. Jan 12 23:46:48 GeneralAntilles: her :/ Jan 12 23:47:00 Even better! :P Jan 12 23:47:40 johnx: yeah, but for now gnomecanvas one is ok Jan 12 23:48:00 Stskeeps, ah, well they're up in my $HOME on trac.tspre.org Jan 12 23:48:01 i got it to show earlier Jan 12 23:48:03 alright Jan 12 23:48:20 really gonna get some sleep now Jan 12 23:48:23 'night all Jan 12 23:48:44 'night Jan 12 23:48:53 g'night Jan 12 23:49:25 nini Jan 12 23:55:18 (random information) - I hacked up an rc helocopter >:) ; http://imagebin.ca/view/vbYp5Md.html ; http://imagebin.ca/view/AZruSA1.html ; http://imagebin.ca/view/F0wyNXv4.html - sorry the images look like crap, i used my N800 for pictures :p Jan 12 23:58:58 does it run Mer? Jan 13 00:04:51 lol Jan 13 00:10:17 * b-man will be back, got to eat dinner Jan 13 00:10:34 i'm back Jan 13 00:10:43 .. already? Jan 13 00:11:18 yep, i eat fast Jan 13 00:11:57 two bowls of spegettie* :p Jan 13 00:12:28 http://s44.radikal.ru/i106/0901/d1/21eb06960d63.jpg - is that totaly crappy concept?) Jan 13 00:12:47 pretty coral Jan 13 00:13:51 * b-man starts to crack up from thinking about the look on Stskeeps face from telling him that. XD Jan 13 00:14:01 wazd: hehe, but kinda cool Jan 13 00:14:05 b-man: teenagers.. Jan 13 00:14:12 lol Jan 13 00:15:37 wazd: is that a Nokia tire covered in corals I see on the bottom? :> Jan 13 00:16:17 Stskeeps: damn, I thought I've covered it enough :P Jan 13 00:17:11 wazd, the burning looks like an evil miasma coming up from Nokia's tire. :P Jan 13 00:17:30 Rather than seaweed. Jan 13 00:17:57 wazd, overall I'm not sure. It's less clean than the original Jan 13 00:18:05 But the concept is nice Jan 13 00:18:13 It needs more depth either way. Jan 13 00:18:49 The best solution will be to leave it alone) Jan 13 00:19:10 More details will ruin it whatever they are Jan 13 00:19:41 bubbles, seaweed or nokia tires :) Jan 13 00:19:48 wazd: screen saver could be background image becoming alive and fish swimming around.. ;> Jan 13 00:20:29 Stskeeps: dreams dreams :) Jan 13 00:20:38 honestly though Jan 13 00:20:40 Hehe Jan 13 00:20:44 my gf has a nokia phone Jan 13 00:20:57 it has a screensaver and i rarely see the phone -actually- turn off display Jan 13 00:20:59 Stskeeps, funnily enough, with the platforms Mer may end up on, we may actually need a screensaver! Jan 13 00:21:08 GeneralAntilles: TV fireplace.. Jan 13 00:21:14 Stskeeps, backlight's off, though? Jan 13 00:21:24 GeneralAntilles: or dim Jan 13 00:21:28 the screensaver is still visible Jan 13 00:21:35 Yeah, transflective Jan 13 00:21:39 it has pretty good battery life though Jan 13 00:21:42 My old 6682 is the same way Jan 13 00:21:55 I don't think it takes much power to leave the display on with on backlight. Jan 13 00:22:50 GeneralAntilles: one thing that could be useful to ask Nokia for.. powertop like thing Jan 13 00:22:51 I think the best screensaver in the world is black screen with white clock :) Jan 13 00:23:15 wazd, or the opposite, depending on your display. Jan 13 00:51:54 wazd :) thats my current one Jan 13 00:58:11 greetings all Jan 13 00:59:12 hi churl Jan 13 01:00:07 can anyone help me with a few basic questions on using vnc viewer into my ubuntu Jan 13 01:05:07 yo bef0rd Jan 13 01:05:49 GeneralAntilles, ive added something to that page on the wiki (the discussion page) Jan 13 01:06:38 ch4os, just ask Jan 13 01:06:41 errhm Jan 13 01:06:47 churl Jan 13 01:07:11 :) Jan 13 01:07:47 i guess, in a perfect working world, what would i need installed, and what would i run on the command line? Jan 13 01:08:04 You need to enable remote desktop in ubuntu Jan 13 01:08:32 System -> Preferences -> Remote desktop Jan 13 01:10:05 'Allow other users to view your desktop' and 'Allow other users to control your desktop' Jan 13 01:10:11 im pretty sure it's enabled, but i cant find it again (using xfce) Jan 13 01:10:25 for security reasons, enable 'require a password..' Jan 13 01:10:34 I think its called vino-preferences Jan 13 01:10:37 let me check Jan 13 01:10:54 yea, that's it Jan 13 01:11:48 i think it's under login window preferences Jan 13 01:12:01 allow remote system administrator login Jan 13 01:12:02 no, that's something else Jan 13 01:12:42 not seeing any vino Jan 13 01:12:43 try running vino-preferences from the terminal Jan 13 01:12:46 k Jan 13 01:13:15 not installed (ubuntu 8.10) Jan 13 01:13:37 do i need it? Jan 13 01:13:44 yes Jan 13 01:14:06 http://www.samlesher.com/ubuntu/remote-desktop-vnc-access-on-xubuntu-xfce-810/ Jan 13 01:15:00 k Jan 13 01:15:27 neat, ill try to go through this site bef0rd Jan 13 01:15:59 just install vino, then you should be able to connect with your tablet using vnc viewer Jan 13 01:17:37 not working... reading on.. Jan 13 01:17:50 oh Jan 13 01:18:01 autostart it Jan 13 01:20:39 is vino server an app? Jan 13 01:20:44 yes Jan 13 01:21:00 you'd think so Jan 13 01:21:19 i only get vino-passwd and vino-preferences Jan 13 01:21:45 use the full path, /usr/lib/vino/vino-server Jan 13 01:21:51 :) Jan 13 01:22:40 HOLY BUCKETS! Jan 13 01:23:13 i really wish i would have googled xfce in my searches Jan 13 01:23:30 this wouldnt have taken me hours and hours and days and days Jan 13 01:23:37 again, i love you all Jan 13 01:23:53 hehe Jan 13 01:47:35 what gives, I don't even have any apps open and the internal memory card is "still in use" Jan 13 01:47:51 Swap? Jan 13 01:48:21 You're right. Jan 13 01:48:47 "Unable to remove virtual memory." Jan 13 01:53:10 have you tryed re-booting? Jan 13 01:54:18 that works for me :) Jan 13 01:54:35 i think ill do the same! bye now! Jan 13 02:19:12 Yup,, I rebooted and that worked for me. Jan 13 02:52:06 whats latest version of maemo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 13 02:59:57 2009